It was great to sit down with the author of “Sight Beyond Sight“, Raine Dalyrmple as we cover many different grounds on spirituality!

Connect with Raine today: https://sightbeyondsight.org/

Brandon Handley 0:00
All right. Okay, ready? 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope on here today. We’ve got a very special guests. We’ve got rain Dalrymple. Let’s get right to it, right

Raine Dalrymple 0:15
certainly did.

Brandon Handley 0:16
Yeah, good, good. It’s just got a it’s got a spelling. It was confused me rain. And so thank you for I butchered quite a few names coming on.

Raine Dalrymple 0:26
Well, often what I often what I’ll do is in you’ll notice in my book, I just write rainbow, because it’s way easier to me.

Brandon Handley 0:35
What’s the what’s the origin of that last name? Like? What’s, uh,

Unknown Speaker 0:38
what was it?

Raine Dalrymple 0:39
I believe it’s some Scottish and I think there’s some English and French in there. Okay. Okay.

Brandon Handley 0:46
Good to know, good to know. So rain, you and I, you know, you’re an author, you’re a teacher, your your number of things, but like, you know, if you know, for this podcast, what would you tell people? Who How would you describe yourself? You know,

Raine Dalrymple 1:01
I would say that, you know, I spent a little over two decades in education and in the helping profession working with all genres, like persons with disabilities, daycares, ex offenders, women, men, there isn’t really, you know, any genre I haven’t worked with, I don’t I don’t think. Um, and so now, I’ve taken all of that information and that growth on a professional level, as well as my own personal growth in my own life experiences. And I’ve pulled that all together. So I would basically say that I’m, you know, an author, content creator, visionary. But that’s good for now. There’s lots in there and intuitive.

Brandon Handley 1:51
For sure. I love it. I love it. Thanks. It’s a sometimes like, sometimes the BIOS that, you know, we share back and forth, they don’t really catch the essence of who you really are, like all the time, right, that they read well, for sometimes, like, Who are you really? Right. And I actually

Raine Dalrymple 2:09
did tell you the truth, I hate writing them, because it’s like, Okay, how much do I say I do? And how much do I leave out? Because it can tend to go on and be dry? And you’re like, sure. Yeah, you just you don’t want to hear all of that. Right?

Brandon Handley 2:24
It all It all depends, like I said, when it’s in when it’s in writing, it’s I think you can take it in a little bit faster to write and then like, when you when, you know, how can you be concise enough to just deliver the essence of who reign is right.

Raine Dalrymple 2:38
So thank you. Yeah, for sure. And we’re all we’re all, you know, we’re in this evolution. You know, we’re maturing, and we’re growing in everything we do every day. Right. So what we were yesterday, we may be something different tomorrow. So yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:54
absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. So like to start these off with the whole idea. You said, you know, you’re an intuitive. And, you know, you’ve seen angels, and so you’re no stranger to kind of opening yourself up and connecting to source. And I’m going to ask you to do that to share a message right now to a listener that could only come through you today, right now, in this moment through source, what’s that message? Say? Right?

Raine Dalrymple 3:27
I’d say the message would be to believe that would be the biggest thing that you can do, not only for yourself, but for the people in your lives. And and also for for the angels and, and the universal source that exists.

Brandon Handley 3:48
So to what and so if I believe in that, and for myself, I like that. And for for the people, right? How does that extend to two people?

Raine Dalrymple 4:03
Well, really, what it’s saying is that it doesn’t matter. You know, what faith you come from what religion you believe in? And then let me just say they’re in the benevolent realms. Not in the malicious for humps, although it is all energy. It’s all the same energy, energy is energy and it’s alive. But what we really want to understand in our own awareness is that we’re not alone, right? We’re not here alone. We’re not even when we are alone. We’re say living in our apartment by ourselves. We’re never truly alone. Because we have source which is God’s source, the divine, whatever you want to call it. I mean, again, those are labels, right? And we’re language people, right? So we have to attach some kind of a word to it. But source is source and source is an energy. That is the superpower is a super conscious power source. And so when we tap into that, we come to understand and learn what the role of consciousness is, and how it can function in our lives to help us to live a better quality life.

Brandon Handley 5:23
Now, you know, a lot of good things in there, right? Obviously, right? You hit on, especially the benevolent realms, right? Just trying to see what kind of good source can bring to us, right. And especially if we believe in source as being benevolent, we can do that for ourselves and for others. The idea of not being here alone, just as you spoke about not only being connected to source but you know, potentially angels or other others, right. Always, always interesting to hear that we, as humans, can only see like less than 1% of natural light anyways, or the full spectrum. So there’s 99.99% that we’re missing out on. And he hit on to like, what is the role of consciousness was, you know, I know that this is something that’s, you know, going to be big for you, in your book and sight Beyond Sight? Is, is consciousness, how would you? How would you? What would you say consciousness is because I’ll just give you kind of like, where I get twisted, I still get twisted on it, right? Like, I’m always like, consciousness of of what right? Like I’m, when I’m conscious of something, I’m aware of something. And what that something is, can be any number of things. But then when we refer to you and I, in this conversation, consciousness, we’re speaking of this greater consciousness, this collective consciousness, what are what are we saying? or What are you saying? And when you say,

Raine Dalrymple 7:02
well, consciousness is the ability to be able to see that there is more to us than you touched on it. You talked about the human condition, right? In a sense, you said, our humanity. So yeah, we can go about our day, and we can live our day, no problem, without being fully conscious that there’s something more out there than what we’re seeing, because we have to remember that we’re living in the 3d world, which is we, we believe in what we see, right? We see the table in front of us, we see everything in the materialistic world. And so that’s what 3d basically is, it’s living in that cerebral world, of like our left brain perspective. So you know, strategy, logical, that sort of thing. When we’re talking about consciousness and becoming awakened to it. Now we’re starting to see more than what’s in front of us more than just the table in front of us more than the room that we’re able to see in a spiritual realm. And we’re able to hear, feel, see, and sense spirit, right. So it’s all about when we are able to do that, first of all, we want to become aware of it, and we become aware of it. being introduced to it in a lot of ways, some people are introduced to it, you know, by attending a church revival, some people are introduced to it by sitting in a sweat at a sweat lodge, some people are introduced to it by, you know, just surviving, surviving a vehicle accident. There’s a lot of ways that were introduced to it. Some people are born with that psychic intuition. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. And your listeners have heard of people talk, you know, Sylvia Browne, and, you know, those sorts of people that said, they always knew since they were three or four years old, and they were getting messages. My my recollection, didn’t, I didn’t really start feeling that happening for me until my 20s. And I, you know, I talked about that.

Brandon Handley 9:21
Yeah, I think in your story, right. You mentioned though, that you had something occur when you were younger, but you didn’t recognize Yeah, till later in life. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Because, as you’re as you’re talking about the introduction to it, right,

Raine Dalrymple 9:37
yeah. I didn’t go. I didn’t go deeply into a lot of the trauma that I experienced in my life in the book because that wasn’t the object of the book. I do talk about trauma. I do talk about difficult times, but I always want to bring that back around to Okay, yeah, that happen. Shit happens, but how can we fix it? What can we do to Change that what can we do to change those blueprints that happened to us, you know, in those childhood years, or if say, you know, a woman is, you know, raped when she’s, you know, going out to her car in the grocery parking lot or, you know, like we you know, there’s things that happen in life that are not very nice in there pretty ugly. So what happened to me when I was about five, I had a trauma happened to me. And I, I just remember feeling my my soul, lift off my body, kind of like, come forward a bit, a few a couple of inches, and then lift up, out through the top of my head. And I’m sure some of your listeners have heard of people that have died on the operating table, and had that similar type experience. And I just remember I went by slipped through the crack in the, in the ceiling. And when I, when I did that, I was out into the other room. And I could see all around, but I couldn’t hear anything. It was like I was buried in this hole, and I could not hear anything. I’m like, it just there was there was no sound, it was just like dead air. And then I slowly, I don’t know how long I was in that state, you know, kind of floating. And then I went back through the crack and slipped back into my body. And so nothing really, you know, paranormal happened to me for many, many years that I can recall. Until my 20s, I started questioning why I was here, questioning my purpose, trying to understand what is what there’s got to be more to life than this. And as I started opening myself up, right, in that awareness, then I started having a lot of these really strange experiences. And so that’s sometimes how it can happen. A trauma can trigger us to have an experience. And then that then opens up what is often known as the threefold flame, which is within us. So when we say yes, there’s something else out there in that in that big old, universal world, that is all empowering. It’s also within us, and that’s what people that’s why it’s so important for people to read my book, because they’re gonna get it when they read those stories. And they’re, they’re gonna go, oh, okay, whether you’ve had no experiences ever in your lifetime, or you’ve had experiences, there’s going to be something in there for everyone, they’re going to get it and they’re going to go, yeah, I actually have felt that warmth, you know, burning inside of me, or when I lay down to meditate, I can feel that energy, that that flame that’s alive within me. And that’s the connection to, you know, that superconscious. Divine that we know that we call God, most of us.

Brandon Handley 13:10
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. Right. A couple couple questions I have in there. Let’s see, I guess kind of walk it backwards. And, you know, listen, I agree at least that, you know, having felt that warm. Having been in that scenario, that’s a that’s a, just a wonderful connection that you can you can experience them in so many different ways. So if you’re teaching people how to do that through through your coursework, that’s amazing, right. I think that that’s, you know, highly valuable. And we’ll talk about some of the benefits that as we kind of move forward, but what is I’m not familiar with the threefold flame, what is that?

Raine Dalrymple 13:48
That’s a Christ consciousness. experience. So it’s, it’s it’s a it’s an energy source of God. And so it’s the threefold flame of love and light and power in a positive way.

Brandon Handley 14:11
Okay, no, thanks for sharing it. I’d never never heard about it. So I’d like to I like the imagery and kind of the application and again, yeah, together then you’ve kind of got this. This kind of, like, inner sun as it were, right? Exactly.

Raine Dalrymple 14:28
Yes.

Brandon Handley 14:30
So you’ve also made reference to a couple times even before we got going, you know, paranormal experiences. Um, and and it was funny because you said you know, you, you asked me if I’d had some paranormal conversations on here. I guess I had never really put it into that light. Right and thought about it is paranormal. I’m just like, well, this is just one person’s experience. That’s another person’s experience, and I never done the paranormal at it. What would you consider paranormal just so I can Yes, and we can understand that a little bit better.

Raine Dalrymple 15:02
Well, paranormal are experiences that we have that belie logic. So, for example, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had gotten up in the middle of the night to use the washroom. And when I walked out of my door door, the doorframe of the bedroom, the bathroom was over to the left, and I saw something sitting on the top of the stairs to my right. And, you know, you’re half asleep. So you know, you just kind of like, like, looked. And when I did this double take there, on the top of my stairs sat an angel, and I could clearly see and feel that it was a male, on his back was to me, and I could see the wings and the white. And then, you know, as quickly as I looked, he was gone. Right. So it was, definitely, because I was worrying, you know, most mothers that are pregnant at some point in, you know, those nine months, they, you know, they are often concerned, they want to have a healthy baby, and, you know, those sorts of things. And, and I just took that as a very positive sign that he was just letting me know, everything was going to be okay. Right. So that gave me that sense of peace. And that is, is often you know, when angels come to us, that’s their role is to encourage us to bring us that piece to help us to, to not worry to not, you know, having xiety and to trust, right to trust that everything will be okay.

Brandon Handley 16:42
Well, I would like it if an angel or two would show up and bring me a little sense of peace and encouraged. So, you know, it’s funny, like, I guess that’s just because they’re the paranormal. I don’t know, if I ever did or I just, again, to me, it’s just your experience, right? You’re you You’re, you’re open to receiving that, right? So so you’re capable of it, right? If you’re open to it, then you’re capable to see it and receive it. And, and for you, it’s easier to believe, right? Especially as you have had, my guest is more than one of these experiences, as your you know, so you’re, you’re in your 20s, you’ve, you know, you have the introduction to kind of source and these experiences when you’re much younger, and now it’s happening much more often. And you’re in this kind of educational, organizational space, or you’re a professional,

Raine Dalrymple 17:42
right? Actually not yet Nika, because at that time, I was raising my children. So I was I was home with the kids, and I was, you know, doing laundry and making meals and that sort of thing. So I think it was the perfect scenario for source to come to me and all these different ways, you know, visions, I was starting to have visions, just like, you know, I’d lay down to, you know, go to bed at night, and all of a sudden, just visions would start happening to me, and I’d open my eyes, and then I closed them again, same vision would continue to happen until I let it play out. So, you know, it caused me to, you know, question What’s going on? First of all, what, why, why me? Why am I having these, these visions and to try to understand what the message was as well. Right. So, you know, I started charting my dreams to under, you know, better understand what was going on in my life. And, you know, it was really, it was really just, it was a school, essentially, from, you know, the divine was passing on to me to, to go through this. So that I guess, at some point, I could do this book and share it with people.

Brandon Handley 18:52
Right, so I’ll be part of a big part of what we’d like to do here is understand, right? How, just again, in your story, how were you able to incorporate I guess, your your connection to source and spirituality? I guess after you raise your children or got back into the workforce, like, how did you merge the two worlds, right? How did you merge the spiritual world with like, yeah, Hey, I got to show up at work today for this cup of coffee and then type my TPS report.

Raine Dalrymple 19:29
Right, right. Well, what’s interesting about all of that was that wasn’t my goal plan. In the beginning. It wasn’t to, to teach in that way. I was I was brought into that world through opportunities and doors that open for me. So again, you know, that brings us to this place of gratitude because we realize a lot of times things that we do Experience aren’t are doing, they’re there, they’re from, from a higher power that is guiding us and directing us. Now, keep in mind at anytime you can say no to any of it just like you yourself friend and can say, you know, I would really like to have an experience, like, give me something here. And when you ask, eventually you will start to have experiences that might start small, where you say, you know what, you know, if you really do exist up there, source, show me I want to see feathers, I want to see feathers, and lots of them. And you know, there’s a couple of feathers stories are one at least that I shared in the book. And so you know, you might end up you know, waking up in the morning and you making your bed and all of a sudden, all these feathers come flying out of your pillow and you don’t own a down feather pillows. So how in the heck did they get in there. So this is just kind of the fun way that sometimes they, you know, show us these signs, because they really want us to believe they really want us to know that they’re there and to to also ask and to lean on them to help us. So, you know, you can ask, right? I guess it kind of got Oh, okay, so you were asking me, I get off track on these stories. That’s okay.

Brandon Handley 21:15
So the biggest the biggest part, right of a lot of this is, once you’ve had a spiritual experience, it’s really hard as hell to get grounded again. Right. And it’s really hard to go back. Right, right. It’s hard to it’s hard to say, Okay. Yes, I’ll go to work today. Right? And I guess, you know, so how, you know, how were you able to have that experience, and continue to stay in, you know, connected to source and then integrate into? Well, we’ll just call the real world for now.

Raine Dalrymple 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, we’re, we’re, we have this human body, but really, we’re a spiritual being, you know, functioning in the human body. So, you know, you’re going to work and you’re, you know, you’re taking care of youth, or you’re, you’re, you know, when when I was at the time, when it’s, you know, started progressing, and I started incorporating it, I was working with persons with disabilities. So, when you think of it, it was very helpful, in a sense, because it really helped me to interact and relate with the girls much, much easier than if I were functioning out of this real word, man, real world mentality. And then fast forward, you know, down the road, and, you know, working with children, and, you know, they’re just like, they’re just like, everything is amazing to them, right. And they’re just bundles full of love. And then, you know, working in, you know, helping people with life skills. So now you’re incorporating the imagination, you’re incorporating creativity, you’re incorporating all of these wonderful tools and skills that are opening and awakening the people that you’re teaching. So, for me, it felt like it was very easy to incorporate the two, because now you’re living that world, like you’re living in that world, you’re living that life, you’re incorporating the two in your own life, into your own world. And so then it therefore becomes very easy to talk to other people about it, and to share and to help them to see their own value, you know, as a spiritual being. And I don’t mean religion, that’s not what I’m talking about, just as a person that can see possibility in their own lives. Right?

Brandon Handley 23:50
Absolutely. Right. How can we, how can we show someone the greatness that’s within them? Right? And in a sense, I recall, I recall when you first started into this space, right, feeling this way and feeling that everybody has that within them, right? Everybody’s got it. And I recall going to I was at I was at a convention, and I was talking to people I was like, Well, you know, we can talk about what it feels like to step into the greatness of who you are. And man, the looks I was getting, and people were like, What are you talking about? I was like, and as they say, there’s an uncertainty to believe that there’s greatness within you, right? Or what’s or even doing, or there’s an uncertainty to recognize that what you’re doing today right now in this very moment is great. Yes. Right. And so I think it’s very shameful that that we can’t see this for ourselves, right? That’s

Raine Dalrymple 24:55
and it’s amazing that you shared that with those people because I mean, as such If you you look across the world right now, like many people are still asleep, you know, even after this whole year of the madness that’s going on, we are still asleep.

Brandon Handley 25:10
Yeah. So here’s I think, I think here’s what kind of sucks in my mind is that we’re also who were we’re in the midst of like this this quote unquote woke culture thing too. And I think that there’s, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s this like woke culture to, you know, I think racism and schism, right. And then there’s also this woke culture of spirituality wokeness, or awakening. But then there’s also this idea to rain, you know, just kind of bear with me, I so I hate the idea that like, you know, now we say, you know, awakening or something like that it gets kind of tied in, it’s tied into that now we got to disassociate from like, kind of the headlines in the media to just to discern that what we’re talking about here is like a spiritual awakening, or awakening, not even a spiritual awakening, awakening to the greatness of who you are waking up.

Raine Dalrymple 26:03
I really like that. Yeah, right. That’s more accurate

Brandon Handley 26:06
wakening to who you are, and, and, and accepting that. But again, so this is something that you are facilitating, which is awesome, right? This is something you’re facilitating through your book and your courses, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, how you came to, you know, how you came up with the title of your book? And, you know, also, why now, why you thought those types of things right, so, how did you know what, what made you decide that it was time to start writing? And?

Raine Dalrymple 26:41
Well, it’s kind of a funny story, because I actually started the book, probably, oh, probably about nine years ago. And it’s probably To be honest, it was probably more than that. So what happened was bachlin, you know, we first had computers, and they were like, the dinosaur computers. I had been, you know, typing it up on there. And I had given a copy to my Google my Google room, I met one of my mentors. And I said here, you know, like, it was like, maybe a chapter there. And I said, you know, can you give it a read and see what you think of it? And like, not too soon after that my computer crashed, and I lost everything. Right? So I thought, Well, okay, no problem. Like I first I was really upsetting. And I gave him a copy, I’ll give them a call. And I’ll, well, just what he lost it. And I was just like, beside myself, because I thought, What am I going to do now? Like, how am I going to get those words back. So you know, I sat down and kind of tried to recall what I could. And then I had taken on, I had moved to a different province and I had taken on working two jobs for quite a number of years, I did that often on, you know, working two and three jobs. And so I didn’t, I didn’t have time to work on it. So I put it up on the shelf. And then when I did finally pull it out, again, that would have probably been about six years ago, and just kind of jotted some things down. And then really seriously, two years ago, sat down in the winter and just did a whole pile of writing, then picked it up just a little over a year ago. So you know, just before all this madness started happening, I thought, you know what, I’ve got to get this done, something was just pressing me, I’ve got to get this done, I’ve got it, you know, whatever happens, I’ve got to get it done. So I too, have found it very intriguing about the timing, because it’s just so relevant to what’s going on right now. And I think more than anything, you know, you speak to, you know, the reality piece and the spiritual piece. And really, the book is about bridging those two together, you know, because we do need, just like both sides of our brain, we’ve got the logical side and we’ve got the creative side, we need the two to converge to function, you know, in, in a, an optimum fashion, right. So, you know, bringing, bringing those two elements together. And again, it’s it’s like you talk about it’s we are all unique, and each person through these experiences through the growth through the transformation, you know, through understanding what their limitations and their barriers and their blocks are. And the personal development growth that they go through is what is helping them to be to become a much better person happier for themselves and within themselves because a lot of stuff happens in life. We’ve got relationship stuff with family members and exes and you know, jobs you know, job loss and loss of, you know, grief and loss of People in our lives and pets that we’ve lost and all of those things that happen that really pound on our, our soul self, and really cause us to lose that fire inside of us and that hope. And that faith, like on the cover of my book, I say hope where there is no way make away. Right. And that’s what I want people to learn is that, you know, it doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful at everything we tried. But the fact that we’re taking those steps forward, and we’re moving forward in that tenacity, and determination, and perseverance, those are the things that help us to create a much better person, and a much happier person. Because now we can say, you know, you know, I did this, I, I wanted to learn how to play squash or I wanted to learn how to canoe or I wanted to, you know, get on a team and learn how to, you know, and be involved in racing, you know, kayak racing, whatever it is. Just throwing some examples, though, you know, work so, right,

Brandon Handley 31:07
because I think that,

Unknown Speaker 31:10
you know, we leave,

Brandon Handley 31:12
we leave ourselves for too long, and then we get back to ourselves and like, I would love to go do this, but, or, I’d love this, but we get lazy. Yeah. Or we say, All right, I’ll give it a shot. And then, you know, when we find that we’re able to accomplish that thing for me, for example, it was going to do a triathlon. Right? Like, I was like, You know what, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m just gonna, you know, we’re gonna go do a triathlon, and yeah, and rain. I was not an active guy was not right. I was actually I was not an active guys. So it took a little bit of training a little bit of time. And I went, I did it. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 31:53
wow,

Brandon Handley 31:55
you know, pretty good. And I’ll do another one. So I did a couple more. Right. And so having that experience of this thing that I never thought I saw myself doing, and then just getting up and going and doing it. And it wasn’t even hard, per se, right. Like, I mean, right. But I was wore out, don’t get me wrong, but it wasn’t hard. You just it just took going and doing it. Right. And working towards it. And and, and this, I think I think I think that one of the things that’s great is that if you work towards it without like this imminent pressure on yourself to succeed, just to go do it, right, just to go do it. Yeah, is enough.

Raine Dalrymple 32:35
Yeah, you can’t be active in the present moment, right. So you were you made a decision in that present moment. Instead of Couch Surfing for the night, watching another movie for the seventh night in a row, you’re gonna get it on your own, you’re gonna do it,

Brandon Handley 32:49
I binge, my fair share of Netflix, I know, I’m just like everybody else out there. But there are certain things that I’ll get up and I’ll go to just a little bit differently, that gives me a sense of purpose, or a sense of contribution to the larger part of ourselves, like you were talking about, like where our body and our spirit and we need both, I think the one thing that gets the most neglect is our spiritual self, which I want to have to go ahead and assert is the larger part of our being

Raine Dalrymple 33:20
well, and they’re all interconnected. So you take your example. You said when you were done? Yeah, it was it was a little bit of hard work, but it wasn’t like so hard that you couldn’t do it. And you actually felt really good after you, you know, those, you were alive, you felt alive, you were in that present moment, and you showed yourself with determination and commitment, you can do it. So that that really it can feed the ego but in a positive way. Right? It but it fed that that whole aspect of who you were, and you looked at yourself, and you went, Wow, I did that. Right. I actually accomplished it. And it just, it gives us a better sense of who we are, and that we can achieve anything that we set our minds to. It’s just to follow through.

Brandon Handley 34:12
Right, right. Yeah, it’s pretty much just a follow through and just just to go do it. So you know, you’ve got storytelling and some practical thoughts and some other you know, awesome stories inside of sight Beyond Sight. You’re gonna walk people through you, you’re gonna walk the reader through some journeys and some specific stories that will help them kind of come alive and recognize that they too, absolutely have what you’re calling the threefold flame within them, right. And then you you you can get the book and then you also offer a couple different courses, right? You got a couple different programs, and if I’m not mistaken, is it the eight you they Key keys to consciousness consciousness is that going to be the one that kind of directly relates to sight Beyond Sight?

Raine Dalrymple 35:06
to quite a bit, a quite a number of the courses that are offered are all based on the keys to consciousness, because really what we’re talking about is everything that we’re talking about is is, you know, finding, finding who out who we are. Our own uniqueness. Core, for example, is chapter six, I believe five or six, I think it’s five. You know, it talks about, you know, nutrition and, and health and well being even myself, like, I have been so negligent with doing the, the exercise lately, the yoga isn’t happening, you know, nearly as often as it should. So I joined yesterday, actually, you know, a mentor that’s running a program for about 30 of us online. And so now, you know, I’ve got that commitment, right, the commitment to just as you committed to doing the triathlon, about that commitment, now, I’m committed, right, I’ve talked to him, I’m signed up, and now I’m committed. So you know, you know, at the end of two weeks, I mean, I’m going to feel better about myself, I’m going to feel happy that I contributed that time, to my physical well being and, you know, I can incorporate, you know, smoothies, and, you know, so we do as people, we need the interaction, you know, we’re finding that out big time in this last year, that we need that interaction with people, we need to be interactive. So I have many programs actually, that that I run. And if people want to connect with them, all they have to do is go to my website site, be on site.org. And I’ll, you know, I’m just starting to upload those on to there’s a couple on there now, but I’m just starting to upload those onto the website. so that people can, you know, whatever, whatever they need, they can get one on one coaching and support with me. Because truly, we are all so unique, that it’s I really like to I do really like to have like a free discovery session with with everyone that calls or contacts me, you know, via email, because I want to know where they’re coming from and what they need, there’s no sense of me sitting and spilling out a bunch of stuff that, you know, are my suggestions if it’s not going to help them. So what I do is I combine that intuitive piece. So you know, I do do the angel card readings, but I also Intuit I just grabbed it from the, you know, my guides and walk them through, you know, interact with them, to find out what it is they need, you know, some people come to me wanting to understand, you know, their past, they want to understand what they’re going through now. And they also want to understand what can they do going into the future. So that’s also, you know, a piece of that intuition that happens. So it’s just really a lot of like, you know, coaching, support, you know, supporting people in their own walk and in their journey. And, you know, I also, you know, I’ll be doing artwork, you know, creative art, you know, in zoos, and, you know, on lives, and all that kind of stuff, you know, I’m partner partnering with some other people, so that we can kind of give people a variety of services. So it’s, it’s really up to each individual, all they have to do is reach out to me, and then you know, we can take it from there we can we can grow from that point.

Brandon Handley 38:36
Well, that’s awesome. Right? So I mean, you have a lot of different options available for someone. So if I, you know, so my, my pathway to you could be could look like this, where I pick up the book, right? I read the book, and I find that it strikes a chord with me, right? I said, you know, rain, she’s got it nailed down, this is me to a tee, gotten everything, gotten everything just right. And then I’m like, Alright, well, I do want to know more, but I’m not quite ready to commit to a program or anything just yet. So I can come over to your site. And when I’m at your site, I can see over here, you’ve got your eight keys to consciousness, which you’re telling me it sounds like it’s kind of like a foundational course. Right? All the stuff that kind of we’re talking about here. So yeah,

Raine Dalrymple 39:23
like, you know, if some, when someone picks up the book and reads it at the end of each chapter, there’s a practical buoyancy section where there’s three to do tips. So it’s kind of a nice way to for them to segue into you know, taking action. You know, having running a salt bath and putting on some music there, you know, just simple tips. You know, doing a collage, you know, grabbing some scrap paper, you know, magazines around the house and creating a collage. You know, people are welcome to do that on their own right because these are just some practical tips that they can incorporate in Your own personal growth, right?

Brandon Handley 40:02
When was so just I mean, share with me a little bit of why I might want to do you know, a clause. And how’s that gonna? What are some of the benefits I’m gonna get from that?

Raine Dalrymple 40:15
Well, let’s just say, you know, right now a person is not happy in what they’re doing for work, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re not happy going to work every day, they’re really actually quite miserable, they don’t enjoy getting up in the morning, or you have someone who you know, is laid off right now. And they really, they really don’t know what direction to go in. So we know we can go online, you can go and see an employment counselor, and you can do these tests that kind of point you in the right direction. Or maybe you should be going to school for carpentry for the next, you know, number of years. Or maybe you could do this, or maybe you could do that. But there’s also this creative aspect that you can tap into. So you know, you get out a gripping piece of paper, and you grab a bunch of magazines, and and you just start looking through them, you start cutting out pictures that speak to you. And then when you go to put your collage together, you know, you’re gluing pictures, let’s just say, you know, I remember when I did mine, many years ago, I started noticing I was cutting out a lot of fashion, like a lot of women wearing like the big hats and Paris and, and you know, the really nice fashions. And when I got done, I thought wow, you know what, I guess it’s time for me to, to clean out my wardrobe and get rid of some stuff, and start incorporating some of these stylish new outfits into my closet, right. And that gave me a sense of confidence of self confidence. And I felt, you know, happy to get dressed up. And you know, where are the big earrings, you remember those days, the big earrings and, you know, the blue eyeshadow and whatever, whatever it was, but you know, it made me feel good, right. And it’s it helped me to see that we can create our image, we can change our image at any time, we can wear the suit and tie we can wear the hippie pants, we can we can be whoever it is that we choose to be. And we can change that that image. Right? So it’s all about growth. It’s all about that. That internal growth, right. And when you look on this clause, you can see, wow, you know, maybe maybe someone who was interested in carpentry didn’t realize they were but here, they were cutting out all kinds of decks that you could build for the summer and, you know, these like extended rooms on people’s houses. And they’re like, wow, like, I really, I might like, you know, doing something like that maybe I should look into, you know, being an apprentice in carpentry, right? So it just opens our eyes, it opens our eyes to other possibilities.

Brandon Handley 42:58
I like it, right? So it gives you the opportunity to kind of step away from the business of life. Kind of just open yourself up to anything really like if you as long as you’ve got like a collection of magazines, you just kind of you fan through it and pick out kind of whatever is stimulating you, right? And then and then you can kind of see down there we can call it like divine guidance if we want or just call it like a almost like a Ouija board except for like what you’re calling forth. It’s just like, what’s what’s piquing my interest these days where, you know, where should I be spending more of my attention, and then you you kind of see this picture unfold in front of you. And you could, you know, almost take a look at that as a divination tool, right?

Raine Dalrymple 43:50
Yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:51
So So, ya know, it’s interesting, if

Raine Dalrymple 43:52
you don’t have a bunch of magazines around, you can, you know, because we’re also tech savvy, you know, to a point, you can go online and you can just start pulling pictures, you know, off, you know, pixels and, and that kind of gives you an indication as well, you know, create a collage on your on your computer, right. So there’s a lot of different ways we can do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:13
I love that. So there’s a couple nice examples where somebody could actually just kind of go out there and do that today if they wanted to. So I love being able to share that. Another one that you’ve got another one of your courses here is the business business savvy empath. You know, talk to us a little bit about that because I think that, you know, that’s that’s a place where you know, a lot of people are in business, right. But not everyone in business is a you know, has empathy and or vice versa. The empath may be like, well, I don’t want to be in a business setting because they’re all gonna they’re gonna they’re gonna harsh my mellow. Right, right.

Raine Dalrymple 44:47
Well, the business of empath is just about how can I hack? How can I hack my imagination and my spirit connection, to better understand how I can run my business in a productive way. You know, it’s, it’s not only a logical, but it’s a creative again, those two, two facets coming together to help a person understand, you know, back in the day, you know, they talked about you know, when you’re climbing the corporate ladder, you know, in the, you know, there’s a lot of, you know, mean stuff that goes on when when that sort of things happens, you know, you’re stepping on people’s toes and that sort of thing. And when we, when we tap into, and when we’re showing how to tap into our own unique nature of consciousness, we realize there’s room for everybody, there’s room for everybody to be successful, whether it’s in, you know, a corporate company, or whether we’re running our own business. And, you know, it may get to a point where you are in the corporate world, which many people have been, and they’ve left that corporate world to branch off and run their own business. And so it’s just really tools and techniques of a spiritual nature as well as the logical nature that we look at, on how can we tap into what can best guide us to being successful? You know, in our, in our, in our genre of what we’re doing? Do we have blocks there? Do we have money blocks? Do we have? Are we do we have a fear of success, right? versus the fear of fear of failure. So all of those things play play into that, right? And just helping a person to, to personally develop themselves, which obviously affects our business world, right? Because, you know, it’s about walking, walking the talk, right? So whatever we’re doing in our personal world, you know, for sleeping until noon, and, and that’s okay, if that’s your schedule, some people are just not morning people, and they want to sleep until noon. And then they’re up till midnight, running their business, because of the nature of it. So it’s also coming to understand what is my schedule? What do you know? What, what is conducive for me? You know, so that’s just a practical way of looking at it. Right? And, and just also saying, Okay, well, if I want to, you know, I want to get up at six or 7am and beat beat the mad rush, and I want to get out knock on business doors, than I have to get up. You don’t have to get up at seven. So there’s, it’s just a lot of, basically, that course, is converging the two together to help it work for you.

Brandon Handley 47:43
think that that’s a that’s a great one right? For especially, especially new, as we talked about earlier is, you know, once you once you kind of hit that spiritual high, it’s really hard to come back down, right, and then you know, so sounds to me, like this would be something that would help somebody that’s had a spiritual high as like, Alright, let’s get to you know, reintegrated. Let’s take some of what you’re learning here of what you’re feeling and help you to integrate that into your, your daily work life. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s huge. Because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of that out there. So thank you for you know, being any one of the people that’s trying to, to get people to recognize that in themselves

Raine Dalrymple 48:29
for that pass. Yeah, help

Unknown Speaker 48:32
them to clean it up.

Raine Dalrymple 48:33
I mean, we know that we know it’s changing, you know, we know that the dynamics of work are changing. And the numbers of people working online has massively increased, and it will continue to grow. So, you know, some people don’t even know what they want to do yet. So you know, connecting with me and us just, you know, hashing over things and, you know, doing some strategizing and incorporating that intuition that can help to lead them into and onto a path that would be productive and satisfying for them to experience fulfilling right are all looking for fulfillment

Brandon Handley 49:17
that’s the gist of all this right the gist of the podcast is that and of itself, right? How do you again take your you know, your spiritual self or integrated spirituality, material, you know, all of it for a more fulfilling life? Right? And that’s, you know, so that sounds like what your sounds like what you’re sharing out there as well and trying to get you know, people woken to the you know, again, waking to the the greatness that they have within or at least to

Raine Dalrymple 49:49
be aware of it at least,

Brandon Handley 49:51
you know, recognizing the the light within the passion within the whatever, you know, whatever gets you up. Yeah, right.

Raine Dalrymple 49:59
Ever is gonna ignite All

Brandon Handley 50:00
right, ignite you and then you know, kind of kind of continue to fan that flame in, I would imagine a controlled way, right? In a way that says, Let’s, let’s direct us towards a positive outcome, and a good way for you to go forward, right? Because I think that we see a lot of that too. Where again, you get so high, you never come back down, right. And you know, you’re not able to apply that, bring it back down and share it with the rest of world and it gets kind of lost in the ether. Right? So thank you for THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, writing the book, thank you for creating these courses. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, say to share, you know, what it is that you’re creating and bringing into the world today? Where, where should I send people to connect with you Ray?

Raine Dalrymple 50:48
Well, obviously, they can go to the website sight beyond sight.org, they can email me at sight Beyond Sight 222, at gmail.com, they can also give me a call or shoot me a text at 306-980-7758. Any of those, any of those ways that they want to reach out is fine. I do have some books left not many now from the pre sale package I bought, and I’ll be ordering more of the books so they can get the book directly through me. So all they have to do is message me and I can get it out to them right away. And they can also find it through freeze and press the freeze and press bookstore. And also through Amazon. My understanding Amazon has the price marked up a bit. But $8 I think so whatever, you know, whatever way that they, you know, see fit to, to order it, they can also get the E book through me directly. And if they do decide to sign up for, you know, the membership packages that I have the monthly membership packages, which are basically a $120 package for 4997. They can get the book free. I’ve done a lot of incentives out there.

Brandon Handley 52:05
Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like you’ve got a lot to offer. And, you know, for anybody that’s listening in today. Listen, I think that you know, Ryan’s got some really great materials out there that are really going to help you to open up to yourself and then also be able to apply it to wherever it is that you’re guided to.

Raine Dalrymple 52:25
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed it.

Brandon Handley 52:28
Absolutely. Happy to have you on all right.

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Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself using numerology?
Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing a lot, but
nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity
every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set in place things that you believe in and focus on them
rigorously.
In this episode, we are joined by Craig Wright where he talks about his experience with
numerology and spirituality.
Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your
hands-on it.
Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full
episode:

  1. Understand the different ways numerology can have an effect in your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of spirituality and numerology in ones life.
  3. Learn the significance of numerology in daily lives.
    Episode Highlights
    [01:41] Freewill & The Self
    · Each of us has a contract with our creator, which consists of the gifts that we receive
    and the promise that we make.
    ● Craig talks about numerology and free will and how it leads to different things.
    ● Everyone knows what it is like to be numero uno but every number has a meaning of its
    own.
    [08:11] The Start
    ● Craig talks about how his journey began and explains his ‘Wake Up Call.’
    ● He also talks about his set of realizations from when his best friend died and how he
    found himself.
    ● “Why am I here?”, “What is the meaning of life?” are some of the many questions he
    began asking himself after the demise of his Best Man.
    ● He talks about the book “In search of the third eye” and his journey of discovery from
    there.
    [17:53] Levels of Acceptance
    ● After Craig discovered himself, he became his first client.
    ● Craig talks about how he ditched being a pilot and get out on this spiritual journey which
    further expanded into numerology.
    ● Craig discusses his analogy of the number four.
    [29:09] The Journey
    ● Craig talks about how things didn’t work out for him in the beginning but everything
    started to fall in place once he started reading.
    ● He talks about how he started receiving information from the universe and the hints to
    help people out.
    ● Talks about how he ventured viral and started as a numerologist.
    [35:00] Making a living
    ● Talks about how he started his services out as a labor of love and used to give seminars
    where no one showed up.
    ● Today, he successfully runs workshops, teaches at a local community college, and
    creates curriculums.
    [42:50] Cultivating Yourself
    ● The mind is very eager to see and the universe puts things in place for you.
    Powerful Quotes from the Episode
    “There is a difference between figures and numbers.”

About Craig
Craig Wright is a native of Baltimore, Maryland where he studied religion and philosophy in his
youth as a member of the Baltimore Ethical Society. He holds degrees in Psychology and
Metaphysics. He is an Ordained Metaphysical Minister and a Certified Metaphysical
Practitioner.


It was the tragic death of a friend in the summer of 1972 that prompted Craig to search for the
meaning of life. This began his study of NUMEROLOGY. After many years of personal research,
Craig went public in 1988. This was the year he met Rev. Hazell Cassell and was invited to be a
guest on her radio program. Craig’s presentation on Numerology generated so much excitement
that people began to ask him to share his knowledge about this fascinating science. The
momentum has continued to grow. Craig’s services have been sought nationally and
internationally. He has served as a resource to several Human Service Agencies by conducting
seminars and workshops. He has a wide array of clientele who consult with him regularly on
personal as well as business matters.

Connect with Craig here: http://www.craigewright.com


Enjoy this Podcast?
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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, well, let’s get on that. And 54321

Unknown Speaker 0:07
Hey, there’s

Brandon Handley 0:07
spiritual dope. I’m on today with Dr. Craig. He right. He’s a native of Baltimore, Maryland, where he studied religion and philosophy in his youth. As a member of the Baltimore ethical society. He holds degrees in psychology, and metaphysics. He’s an ordained metaphysical minister and a certified metaphysical practitioner, we’re going to talk a little bit about a story is how you got there. So I’m gonna leave that out. But one of the big things that we’re gonna be talking about is numerology kind of how you went public with your story, you know, the radio show that you were on for quite some time. And just unless we’re gonna talk about, you know, the, the journey. So Dr. Craig Wright, thank you so much for being on here today, how I like to start these off is with the idea that you and I are here, connecting, and sources, you know, kind of put us in this time in this place in this space, so that a message can flow through you to somebody in the audience today. What does that message just come through, you

Unknown Speaker 1:12
know, that message would be, each of us has a contract with our Creator with source doesn’t matter what name you use, God has 1000s of names depending on the culture you’re from. But each of us has a contract with source, and that we are giving gifts. And we make a promise, the contract has come out composed of gifts that we received, and a promise that we make, and that information is is available, because it shows up in the numbers and our birthday, in the letters in our lay.

Brandon Handley 1:53
That’s powerful. So it’s interesting to me. And of course, the first thing that comes to my mind is we were talking you know, we connected online and you mentioned like this show to be on the show. And one of the first things that kind of comes into my mind though about numerology that i i think that you know, some of the naysayers, right would say, Well, if it’s all in the numbers, is it all predetermined? Right, or, you know, what happens after? You know, you give me the some numbers? Is it fatalistic? Is it something else?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Well, no numerology does not rob us of our free will. For example, if you’re born on the first of any month, one of your gifts is leadership. Everybody knows that number one. So you could be an engineer, you could be a pilot, you could be a fashion designer. But whatever you decide to be using your free will, you’re going to be the cutting edge, and you’re going to be the best at it. So the number one will reveal your creativity that you’re here to be an originator, not an imitator, you’re here to lead not to follow. And more than likely, if you’re born on the first 10th 19th or 28th of any month, you’re going to have opportunities to become self employed. Those are the number ones. If I may, at this point, it’s important that we realize there’s a difference between figures and numbers. If I hold up a pin, and I say I have one pin, that would be a quantity. In this case, number one, this is a figure a quantity. But if I look a little closer, and I say big pins are number one. Now I’m no longer talking about a quantity, but a quality, at least in my opinion of being the best. So everybody knows what it means to be numero uno, but every number has a meaning or every number reveals a spiritual quality, a spiritual quality. So getting back to your question. No, it’s not fatalistic. For example, it’ll tell you, hey, it’s springtime, time to plant but you can plant that is tomatoes, okra, corn, whatever you choose. But you don’t want to plant in January. What is freezing? So that’s the benefit of numerology.

Brandon Handley 4:25
I gotcha. I gotcha. That makes sense. So I want to I definitely want to talk a little bit about your journey into this space. You know, it kind of happened, right? You got a new tragic death of a friend, your best man for your wedding, if I recall correctly. Yeah. And and yeah, let’s just talk about an area. You know, let’s talk about kind of how that hits you. And what you did, how that how that kind of spurned your journey.

Unknown Speaker 4:54
That was my that was my wake up call, if you will, for my call. to spirituality. I showed a propensity for math and science when in seventh grade, my parents decided they were going to have an engineer in the fam. My mother was a schoolteacher. So I was never out of school, math, science, every program, summer school, anything having to do with math and science. I was there. I was preparing to become a jet pilot. I wanted to fly jets with the Navy. By the seventh grade, I knew every jet they own. I knew what what armament they had, what caliber machine guns, they had, oh, I was prepared to become a technocrat. I didn’t I wasn’t a believer. At that time. If you couldn’t measure it, quantify it. I was able to, to we say figures, not numbers at that. But when my best friend was from a drug overdose, Brandon and I didn’t even know he was using. So they told me a lot about myself. I was too self absorbed. I wasn’t paying attention to anything around me. And it also told me that it started my search for life, I began to ask those tough questions. Why am I here? What’s the meaning of life is going to be this arbitrary? Take me now I don’t want this pain anymore. And I gotta tell you, that happened when I was 21 years old. And I’ve never really had a allow myself to get that close to another individual since then. But what did happen was, I begin to pray for the very first time, and I begin to ask the universe, why am I here? What’s the meaning of life? And the answer came back to me in a form that I would understand. I just was in a state of of yearning and wanting to know, and I heard a song that was on our radios, it was called in search of the Third Eye by a man who just play some of his music won won the Super Bowl this year. Roy airs. So this song mystify me search for the third eye, what’s that all about? The lyrics were sequence of numbers can be found secrets of wisdom can be found. So this was before Amazon and Google, it took me two years to get a copy of that book. After both are bought the album, read the cover, took me two years to get the book. But once I got my hands on it, it was called in search of the Third Eye by various family order. And this was a book the artists read, who compose the song. So I’m reading the book now, on one from the song to the artists to the book, in the book was talking about the secrets of numbers. And I discovered, I was a number seven. And that the purpose of my life was to study the meaning of life and share it with others. I was like, oh, my goodness, that’s what I’m doing. So I realized that there is no greater love that a friend has this is how I rationalized his passing. Because Scripture says there’s no greater love than a friend later in his life. So I said, Okay, I’m gonna change because of his passing. And I started going to the Library of Congress, reading everything I could get my hands on, about the sequence of numbers. Now you can go to the library and find 20 books on the shelf. There’s even a there’s even a numerologist for Dummies. But back in 1972, if you want to read about numerology, you had to go to the Library of Congress and study the journeys of Protagoras, how he went to the Mystery Schools in Egypt and study with the Masters there, who taught using the oral tradition. And then he came back and shared what he learned. And the Greeks became famous.

Brandon Handley 8:56
And I love that as it’s, um, you know, one of the one of the quotes that you one of the things you’re referencing already was something that I believe you found from Pythagoras, right? was the idea that there’s a difference between figures and numbers, right? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 9:12
And

Brandon Handley 9:14
I know you’ve already kind of illustrated so yeah, absolutely. Right right now on touch touch of the finger, you know, you know, you sent me your book and an email right, I was able to read like numerology information, touch of a finger. I can go to Amazon and I’ve got something on Kindle instantaneously. Yes, I go download like these great, you know, these great mysteries and, you know, moments as soon as soon as it comes to my mind, but what I think is interesting so far, right? Is that here’s this, you know, arbitrary song that plays, right, this strikes a chord for you, and sets you on your path.

Unknown Speaker 9:54
Yeah, amazing, right? sequence of numbers. This The only way I could have, I could have even accepted the concept that there was a higher being and that it was influenced my life in any way. And it was a tremendous wake up call, you know, and it came to me, not from some guy up on the pulpit in a in a yellow suit. Gallery, right. It came to me through my own research. In a call a discovery, no one else knew what I was doing, or what I was, when I was pursuing. It spoke to me, it fed me in a manner that I was ready to receive through numbers. It was the only way in for me.

Brandon Handley 10:49
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right? No, I also gotta imagine like Baltimore. You grew up in Baltimore. Was it the city proper? Or was it the suburbs? Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 11:00
grew up in Baltimore City.

Brandon Handley 11:01
Yeah, yes. I mean, you know, city city proper. It’s no doubt like, especially in that time to that. It’s really a good idea to run around and talk about being spiritual, right? Especially as a male, right, and it’s right, and in that city environment. And then, you know, the scientist, you’re not even just spirituality or things, you know, easy. Or, then now you’re throwing in numerology tonight, you’re like, Well, does not just spiritual, but like, let’s, let’s, let’s do numbers, too, right. And I think that that can be, you know, that can that can throw people off to I imagine, just

Unknown Speaker 11:39
did

Brandon Handley 11:40
levels of acceptance, right, you know, what, what people are willing to accept? And and, you know, so

Unknown Speaker 11:46
very true. That’s very true.

Brandon Handley 11:48
So when did you become a pilot?

Unknown Speaker 11:53
No, after my, my discovery, after my friend passed, and I discovered numerology, I became my first client. And I began to, instead of going to the Air Force is setting engineering, I went to seminary, I went to the seminary. I thought that was my calling. But what happened was, once I got into seminary, I discovered, there really wasn’t a search for God there. They had already done the surgeon and everything figured out, they wanted to make sure you were saying the right things before you could get their degree.

Brandon Handley 12:34
Yeah, that’s I think that’s the challenge to have spirituality slash religion, right. I mean, that’s, I think, one of the one of the reasons for spiritual dope, right, the podcasts? Because, like, let’s, let’s have a conversation about spirituality that isn’t previously dictated to us as whether or not this is acceptable or not. Right. Exactly. And so you found you found that they were just trying to dictate to you, you know, here’s the right way to say it. Right. Is that is that kind of what exactly,

Unknown Speaker 13:05
that’s exactly right. I was getting good grades, because, technically, my, my writing skills and my, my research was spot on, they, they could not deny what I was saying, I was finding evidence of reincarnation, I was finding evidence of numerology how every time the number 40 shows up, for stands for order, and zero is a symbol for God. So every time a number 40 show up, God was establishing a new order, 40 days and 40 nights of rain, 40 years of wandering in the desert. And each time that number precipitated a tick or change, that God was bringing a new order, so that I was getting good grades, but I was very uncomfortable there. Because it was like swimming upstream. So

Brandon Handley 13:56
one second real quick there, cuz I’ve been, I’ve been on the number 40 for like, years now. I’m like, what, because it’s always showing up, just like he said, I’m like, there’s gotta be something, right. Like, there’s got to be something because there’s 40 days, 40 nights, there’s, you know, the, the whatever, but I also call it to age, like, when we turn 40 like, there’s a massive shift, right? Like, you know, there’s a massive shift and kind of who, you know, a lot of us are and and i think that you know, 40 is illustrated in my take on 40 has always been like, you know, these are the signals like it doesn’t always have to be the ages and years but also kind of what you know what you’re saying there’s numerology, numerology there, but in my mind the most well, that’s just like the signal like age 40. Like, you know, you’re gonna ask, I’m really serious, right? Yeah, something’s gonna change in 40 days and 40 nights, you know, be ready, you know. So that’s really interesting. Thanks for thanks for sharing that. It’s been on my mind for literally a few years now. So thank you.

Unknown Speaker 15:00
So my body was I called a picture. That’s right. That’s spirit, isn’t it? That’s it. That’s it. So for us, they asked for order. If you think in terms of Adam being one is being too with one or two fit together, there’s tears, there’s three, right? So you can’t have a kid crawling around. So you put them inside the playpen, so forth sided figure. So you have some order you get your work done.

Unknown Speaker 15:24
is great.

Brandon Handley 15:25
Yeah, I love you know, so one of the things I love about, you know, finding and establishing a pattern order, and you’re doing it with like numbers, you you, you begin to, you begin to apply it anywhere, right, you get a you get a certain kind of set of knowledge, and now you’re able to apply it and in so many different facets, that without any of that knowledge, you can’t, right. So you know, that’s

Unknown Speaker 15:48
exactly right. Yeah, especially that number for the 40 minutes, when it comes to a home, fixing, mending and repairing. So whenever my clients contact me with an address, like 2102, number 1921, apartment B, I always tell them to avoid a house with the number four, unless they’re prepared to do a lot of work on it. And a lot of renovating it, keeping it a

Brandon Handley 16:16
you know, keeping it a casino because it’s a good one to keep in mind as I’m in moving to my next place here shortly. So I’ll keep in mind that to keep the number four out of the equation. For sure. So, you, you know, you took this kind of, um, you know, even at the age of 21, coming out of Baltimore, young excited, man, I gotta imagine, like, you know, even spirituality, right, like, that’s still tough grab. And so you follow through seminary and into what just trying to follow the journey?

Unknown Speaker 16:51
Well, seminary didn’t work out too well, for me, I just, I was just there one semester kereta a 3.7. But um, after that, I started going to the Library of Congress and studying on my own, studying the information that I was being called to. It was just fascinating. He was like, it was food it was, it was the answer. It was what I was looking at before. And it was telling me all the questions I had while I was here, what I was supposed to do, and I was studying it and learning from it. And after a while I started getting clues from source to share. I will be in a checkout line. And I will see someone’s name on their on their name tag. And I will hear information. If I read in a computer, I will hear information about I can’t hear you information about it. I’m gonna share a little later, but this is how it started to happen. And and I wouldn’t, I didn’t know what it was, I was afraid. So literally, I heard a voice tell me you have the gift of discernment do not wish I had to go look it up. I didn’t know what this tournament meant. So I had to go look that up and say, Okay, I’m going to be getting some information from from what I’ve been studying now. Now I’ve reached a certain level, now the university is going to start using me. So my heart’s pounding a little heavier. Yeah, because it’s not only about me, I’m being asked to share information. So eventually build up enough confidence to start doing that. I would tell someone Whoa, I know, you’ve been waiting for money a long time it’s gonna be it’s gonna be in your mailbox. You know, things like that, you know, in the checkout line, or whatever, way fast so nobody would know who I was or anything like that. But I had to come back the next day was to buy some milk, but it was Hey, how did you know that? You arrived I was there. So that’s how the birth started getting about this guy knows about now but so people started contacting me. And I didn’t I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t have any services, anything like that. I just share information with you. So

Brandon Handley 18:54
so you know that two things. Two things there right? Well for I love the idea, right? Hey, universe is gonna start using me right? Like I mean, just so you set yourself up as a as a vessel, right? You set yourself up as a conduit and we talk a lot about like, you know, receiving we talk a lot about tuning in and all that kind of thing, but it sounds to me like you just you know you you allowed right and and you let it he let it coarser you so I think that’s pretty cool. And you know, second part, like you’re talking about right now, just thinking you didn’t we didn’t have what we’ve got right now. You couldn’t you know, your credit, you couldn’t go back there and spin out spiritual dope back then. Right? Because you had like a street corner like maybe unspiritual dope was that corner that block, you know, so? Yeah, tell me a little more about the time.

Unknown Speaker 19:52
So I’m continuing to listen to the radio station. It was it was a College Station Morgan State University. Radio where I heard the song in search of the third. So I’m continuing to listen to the station. And a lady comes on the station a Reverend Hazel caselle. And she has a radio show. So he is teaching classes about spirituality. I said, Oh, I needed to learn some more about this. So I went to visit her. And I’m talking to her about a class. So I’m getting ready to leave her office. And she says, aren’t you going to tell me about your gift? I didn’t say anything to this lady about numerology or any special gift. But she has psychic abilities. And she says, I’m seeing numbers around you. You haven’t said anything to me about it. So I gradually came back to the opposite said to and I started sharing with her what it happened, what my experiences was. So see if I knew her or her radio show. So okay, I’ll come on your show talk about numbers. So people calling in giving their name and their birthday, I’m doing readings over the over the over the air. And at the end of the show, she gives out my phone number. Well, I guess I was kind of naive. Now I expect to give out my number and my website. But not this first show. I’m just sharing my gifts. And she gave out my number brand. And people started calling me my phone off the hook. I had to go back home and create services. Well, this will be a reading and I’ll call this a forecast and to meet the demand that that that people wanted to know. And that’s how I got started. Yay, a numerologist I did not plan it. I had never heard of it. It just happened and I really feel like it was my calling. And and that is why I’m here to be of service to God to share information about about these numbers man is so fascinating. And so complex yet it’s it’s all around us. Right? It’s like we come with a owner’s manual. Like when you buy you buy a new gift or you get a any type of product. You open it up it says here’s the owner’s manual read this first name on our birthday. We’re totally blind to it, you know? Sure.

Brandon Handley 22:05
No, no, it’s Yeah, that’s you know, he was always walk around be like, well, we didn’t come with an owner’s manual. Now you’re telling us that we do. So they have to dig into that. Right? Well, I was asked to dig into that. So, you know, you’ve been able to sustain through numerology is my question, then, you know, have you been able to kind of like make make make your living out of out of this practice?

Unknown Speaker 22:30
It’s interesting. It started off there were no, okay. No, it was a labor of love. Like I said, I didn’t reach out to start a business. It was only people contacting me for my services, and my hallways was was doing something else with this was sort of like a vocation. But as time has gone on, when I was 21, I eventually I ended up having a show on sa radio show that I would say radio station, I was listening to doing a numerology report. So over time, I would give classes announced workshops, nobody would show up. Nobody will show relevance place. Zero. But now, yes, workshops. been teaching at the local community college. One of the people heard my show in a radio was a program director at a community college in Baltimore County in the asked me to create a curriculum to teach numerology and make it available. That’s true. Things have really changed his math, t 72.

Brandon Handley 23:49
A couple things, a couple things have changed, for sure. Things have changed.

Unknown Speaker 23:57
I love how you say things like that. I told you, I was picking up things for you too. And what I picking up is global, a global impact. That’s what I’m picking out that. I don’t know if you can translate your show into other languages. But I’m picking up your impact is is going to be global. And people from different cultures from all around the world are going to start tuning in to your show. And and what you write new habits. I know you didn’t tell me you were an author or writer. But I’m showing up and picking up your writer is something you write has a potential to go to the big screen.

Brandon Handley 24:36
Mm hmm. Well, I don’t know what I’d write that would go to the big screen. But you know, there’s still plenty of time. You know, I love the idea though. And thanks, man. It’s really interesting. I was just talking to talking to somebody this weekend in New Zealand to get connected with somebody else who’s you know, got some global initiatives and here’s the thing Being able to have that conversation. So, you know, yeah, like, I got like little goose bumps and like, my hair is rising up over here. So on the different cultures, right, that’s what this is about. It’s, it’s, it’s not about, um, it is about is exactly what it’s about those different cultures if you look at if you look at the graphics for spiritual dope, you see, you know, Jesus figure there you see Buddha there, and my original one had a, you know, Shiva on there, right. So it’s just kind of like, you know, we’re all saying the same things we’ve all got, you know, how do we light this fear up within us? How do we how do we, how do we honor it? Right? I think that’s one of the first how do we recognize it? How do we honor it and how do we allow for it to bloom right, what do we do to cultivate ourselves? Right and and nurture that and and share it, but now so so thanks, man. That’s it. So is that is that done through numbers or just straight vibing?

Unknown Speaker 26:02
Well, I think straight vibing led me to numerology. I’m listening to the song doing the research on pursuing holding a my consciousness because I believe the mind is so opposed to see. And what we’re co creators with the universe. sparks from the big flame, if you will. And by holding it in my mind, it just manifested that book. That book showed up in a bookstore in house and there was only a business for a year and a half.

Unknown Speaker 26:32
That’s crazy.

Unknown Speaker 26:34
Okay, universe put that stood there for me, right. But yeah, I think i vi, to numerology, but after that, I just began to study it and apply my skills, my technical abilities. So there’s so much they give me their birthday. And I can edit out real quickly, because I’m used to formulas and things like that. So math does math doesn’t frighten me. So I can look at an a tag editor, convert the letters to numbers and give someone a reading within seconds just because of you know, the, the pathways, the mental pathways I created by studying math and science. I didn’t know I’d be applying it this way. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:19
You never you never know how it’s gonna strike. Right? So real. If this is okay, you know, so it’s my wife’s birthday. Next week. Can we can we do her? Do her numbers? Yeah. So. So what do you need the whole year, month, date and year? So March 16 1974.

Unknown Speaker 27:43
Okay, Okay, awesome. Eat number in the birthday represents a gift. Okay. Then if you add it all up, you have like the ultimate gift. So I like to think of it as a contract with creator in these closets. The first clause is the number three. And the three is a symbol for expression, and you singing, painting, dancing, writing, anything artistic, decorative, colorful, is also a symbol for abundance, because the story of the Christ is about the number three, he was taught by three wise men. And there’s a lot of other references, but we know he arose on the third day. That’s Easter, I left a lot of about for the sake of time. But when asked Massa, why are you here, he says, I’m here to have life and have it abundantly. So the three stands for abundance. So your wife gift is to always appear younger than she is. If he’s in a room and children are there, they will be drawn to her like a magnet. She’s extremely creative, in terms of her artistic talent and ability. And you may have channels getting a word and once he starts to communicate, because threes are expressive, okay. Now, I’m going to skip her day for a moment because her year is also a three. If you add one plus nine plus seven plus four, it adds up to 20 119 is 1074 is 1110 1011 is 21. Are you with me?

Unknown Speaker 29:25
Because I’m tracking?

Unknown Speaker 29:27
Absolutely Did you add two plus one, that’s also with Ray. So he’s got a double dose if everything that I shared with you about the number three, full abundance, social activity, mixing, working with children, being an artist creative, seeing the penny dancing, writing a double dose of that. Now her date of birth is a seven, one plus six is seven. That’s the number of face. On the seventh day God rested. So as social as she is There’s going to be times she’s going to be by herself. It’s almost like what happened? Did the cloud come over to set on? Where she go? Right? What what? Because it’s the exact opposite of the number three, which makes her social. So her rhythm will be to introspect, and then to project to interest, fat, and then to project because the seven makes her a minister, does it matter? She goes to school, where’s the row? Seven is the number of faith. So she’s a mountain mover. Okay? She’s a researcher. That’s my number. The number seven so sees a researcher and analyst or thinker, does he take things at face value? Oh, she goes deep. She is the reason why you are walking that straight line. If I write about the man, Maria, number seven female, okay, you don’t have to worry about being going astray or doing anything wrong, because she’ll sense it before even comes to your mind. My wife was a number seven. So I can’t even dream about doing anything. I mentioned you might be a writer, your wife is definitely around this. About the book, hobby. Okay? hobby, okay, this is your second letter as a two, oh is a six because the 51 five or six, that as the 14, a K is to the left of ladder. One plus one is two. So the word book vibrates to the 16. So when you see the 16 Not only is he a researcher, but she has the ability to communicate it. So she’s writing has a potential to write lecture travel a share her expertise. I don’t know what her expertise is, okay, numerology does it, box her in. But that seven tells me whatever she does, she’s the expert, a people will seek her out for her expertise. It also tells me she’s so creative. Her main challenge is to follow through. To follow through completing projects is going to be a task. Because her creativity, so delegating is important. Now let’s add it all. Okay, so that those are the clauses in her contract. Craig, real quick,

Brandon Handley 32:32
I lost her picture. Can I get you to come back? Oh, sure. Sure. I

Unknown Speaker 32:36
don’t know what happened here. These are the gifts that God gave her. Okay, that I just shared with you, the creativity, the mental ability to analyze. So if we add it all up, is three plus 16 is 90, which tells me as a numerologist. She left the house as a child, she got out of the house as fast as she could. It was quit out of there, man. And it was someone in their family who tried to keep their keeper under their thumb. But she said find them because that spot her originality and her leadership that brought it up. But I digress. If we add 19 to her a year, which is a 21 guess what 19 to 21 add up to Brandon

Brandon Handley 33:23

  1. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 33:28
42? The number 40 see

Unknown Speaker 33:31
that crazy number, right? Well,

Unknown Speaker 33:33
you’re right, plus 16 plus 21. Three plus 16 plus 40. So your her death is the orderliness of God. So he embodies it to wherever she goes. That’s the energy that she’s taking with her. So people are going to call her mean stubborn and strict.

Brandon Handley 34:00
I mean, I don’t know if they would say to her face,

Unknown Speaker 34:04
probably a bad idea.

Unknown Speaker 34:07
Also, as a number 40, when you guys have entertainer has gas, after they leave, you will find her going around the house, putting things back in their place where they belong. So orderliness is very important to the number 40. As his eyes are numbers, he’s probably extremely good with numbers. Well, she

Brandon Handley 34:28
will tell you, she’s not but most you probably, you know, it’s one of those things right? It’s what you tell yourself. It’s what you tell yourself, right?

Unknown Speaker 34:36
That’s the number four. The fourth book in scriptures is called numbers. So people four is always concerned with measurements and things like that. So you get involved with numbers when you do research and studies and things like that. So right. And I will also share with her that this year was as a 223 is going to be a year of said numbers. 1923 is 42. This is a number six year for her. And number six year, so she’s going to have a chance to use her creative talents, skills and abilities this year, she couldn’t have a chance to join with others in some goodwill projects, they’re going to be reaching out for her to to work together in a goodwill project. And a lot of people do get a new home in a number six year, so the focus is on the home, and the six year domesticity the whole community, in your relationship

Brandon Handley 35:46
towards fun, right, that’s a lot of fun. That’s, that’s great. So thanks. Thanks for doing that.

Unknown Speaker 35:50
It is a love vibration.

Brandon Handley 35:54
Well, that’s awesome. So you know, so you kept at it, and you feel like, you know, what was it like, I guess and you know, kind of communicating this as your primary path to like your friends and family? And how long did it take you? So how long did it take you? You know, to? To even feel confident to do that? And were you scared to do it?

Unknown Speaker 36:17
Well, with my immediate friends, I went to right away after losing my friend to that drug overdose. I wasn’t taking any chances on quoted back any information that I now have revealed to me about them, because I knew that he burned things. So I started sharing information with them. Many of them were receptive. But some of them ran away, they became afraid not because the info meishan wasn’t accurate. But because the information was accurate, on and they felt. And now before they were invisible, now I knew everything about them. So people started running away from me, not because it wasn’t true, accurate, but because they didn’t want to stand in front of an X ray machine. Sure. For sure, but then there was also the other side of the coin. And people thought I just lost, I thought I just lost my mind and flipped out. And that what I was doing was actually something demonic and evil. So I took that this spirit said, what do you what do you have me doing here? Look him, he told me this. This is where I’m supposed to be doing. I’m trying to share it. So spirit told me I wasn’t ready yet. I was, you know, going off too quickly. That to continue the study. And when the time was right. God told me he would bring his leaders to me. So it wasn’t a type of thing where I could get on a hit a brass, hit the symbol and advertise and put it up in the lights come to me Come to me. I had to be patient and wait in study and to be prepare to prepare myself for the time when God was going to start sending people to me. So that’s what I did. I just zipped it up, it started studying. And the people who found out about me found their way to me. I had prepared my services now. And it wasn’t a a wide stream of clients. But when they came I was I was ready for them. And I knew they were leaders, right? That they were leaders and it hasn’t changed. You are a global leader. The name brand is a number 32. And that’s America’s birthday, July the fourth 1776. And the number 32 shows up in all of America’s leaders in George Washington’s bow total. And Barack Obama has showed me showing up in your first name. The number 32 is called the ruler of all nations and people. And because I studied that, that’s how I know you’re going to have a global impact. Hmm. So this is why you’re starting to meet people from other countries. And sooner or later you will have a network all around the world because that’s that’s what you came here. That was your contract. Promise creator that you would impact the planet. So you may not be telling other people that’s your goal. But that’s that’s pretty much what the universe has planned for you. Your last name Handley the valtos a number 13. So I want to talk about that people are so afraid of the 13 branded, they won’t come outside on Friday the 13 people are terrified, for sure and for good reason. The 13 is all in Nothing is an all or nothing type vibration. And what it stands for is change, release and transformation. So it does mean death, but not how we think of it. Because we are spiritual beings here for a temporary spell, what we call it death is simply returning back to our original state. Sure, is the transformation. So the 13 stands for change, release a transformation. And when it shows up in your name the way it does for you, it means you came here to be part of the transformation that’s taking place. We’ve heard songs about the Age of Aquarius. Well, by golly, we’re in it.

Brandon Handley 40:46
Where are you? Yeah, and you know, I’ll throw it out there too. I am an Aquarius to say,

Unknown Speaker 40:50
wow, you

Brandon Handley 40:52
know, I’m all in right? Like, I mean, do I need any other signs? There’s something that I’m missing. Change,

Unknown Speaker 41:02
right? It’s transition. So when people meet you, they’ll be transformed. The 13 is represented by the butterfly star. So calling around is that with wings fly, save energy save manager now, but also the Phoenix that goes down in flames and then rises from the ashes. So people should never count you out.

Brandon Handley 41:33
That’s I mean, it’s great. Right? I love I love both of those. Both those symbols, right? We always we always look at you know, the caterpillar. And then you know, going into its cocoon, and just totally eradicating what it was before getting into a big new mass of goo. And then coming out like this beautiful thing, right? So always love that. And same thing with the same Yeah, Phoenix is always a great story to write down to the ashes and reborn again, and into something more beautiful than it was before. And you know, as they say, powerful, but you know, powerful than more, you know, but maybe, maybe, you know, it’s funny, I just shared the quote, that, uh, that kind of speaks to how I felt like upon like, my awakening, if it were as it were, right. I was like, I don’t know what this power is. But I know that I’ll figure it out. Right, I’ll work towards figuring understanding it right. And that’s me, just kind of right. The the Phoenix has probably always been that capable, but it wasn’t until it was down and out that it’s got to strike forward and search for it and, and come into its own power.

Unknown Speaker 42:45
Awesome. Awesome, man. Awesome. So most people, most people give up at that point. Most people, they, they check, you know, they turn to different escapism where they just hold on and go through that pain. You know, it’s it’s the old Coke is the old say, but no pain, no gain, you know, is this what you grew up? A farmer has to break up the soil before we could plant a seed.

Brandon Handley 43:18
No, hey. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I see that 100% the other thought, you know, and this is recent, recent one, the mean just just a quick exchange of of, you know, quotes and whatnot and thoughts on this. But there was, um, there’s a lady that I listened to system or her meditations and, and just talking about pain as as a as a gateway to the divine, right. Unless we unless we allow ourselves to actually feel that pain and said that we continue to most of us shove shove pain away, right though I don’t want to touch it, it hurts to keep that away. But if we go ahead and accept that pain, and feel into it, and we realize the power that’s within that pain, and I don’t know if you transform it or just feel it right and be okay with it, but a pain is also a gateway to the divine. And so I recently just kind of you know, that did it hit me. So what are your lines here and Craig, this has been awesome. I’m really enjoying it. And I know that you know, the audience will as well. But I love the line that you’ve got on on your website says I use my gifts to help I use my gifts. I use my gifts to help my clients understand themselves as spirit by journeying within we can discover a higher self higher purpose and divine well. Now is that from scriptures, that’s something that you kind of came up with on your own just a curiosity there. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 44:39
I notice that something I came up on my own just over over time over the years people asked me the question, you know, we do was was it about was it four? Right? So that’s, that’s what I came up with. I realized that, you know, the body is a temple of the spirit and we’re We’re not physical beings, we have an occasional spiritual experience, the awakening is oh my goodness, we’re spirit inside this this vessel by hand. So with numerology, I’m able to enable to share with people who they are in terms of spirit in terms of energy, so they can see themselves that way. because very few people will come up to you and talk to you in those terms. You know, they’re talking about What school did you go to what car you drive when you work, you know, how much money do you make, but not what’s your contract with God? What do you do earn your body to when you book your trip?

Brandon Handley 45:41
No, no, that’s absolutely, absolutely. And so, you know, one of the things that, actually, so I mean, it’s almost like, here’s a UPC code on everybody that walks by, right, you got like, you got a scanner, they listen, let me tell you about you. First of all, these these ingredients are, you know, anyways, the idea is that to you know, in your book, you spell it out a little bit. It’s not just to learn kind of numerology to figure out who you are, and just your kind of divine contract in your book, you also illustrate how you can determine relationships that, you know, beneficial in you know, you know, in matchmaking for sure, and like, you know, kind of find my next significant other, as well as you know, how things will work out at jobs or what what are good job fits, maybe give me like one or two scenarios, I know you listed out for my wife, Meg, you know, the number three, or was it number 16? Number, the book and being able to be a writer? What’s like,

Unknown Speaker 46:49
like, what’s your date of birth?

Brandon Handley 46:51
My date of birth is 125 1976.

Unknown Speaker 46:56
Okay, so you’re also a seven, your wife is born to 61 plus six is seven. You’re the 25th to plus. And it just so happens. This is crazy. You are both savage in compatibility. In my book starts on page 77. By case you

Unknown Speaker 47:29
I’m going to share with you what it means when two sevens, okay? to service. Now, this is in your day of birth sector and the day of birth and the compatibility report. Is the canvas for the relationship. No, it’s not. It’s not a it’s the weakest energy really, when you’re doing compatibility. Like if you go look at two artists, you go to a museum, look at a painting, you know, but the canvas is important, right? Canvas is important.

Unknown Speaker 47:56
So

Unknown Speaker 47:57
here’s number seven, and number seven compatibility, and my book is on page 102 sevens. Silence is so much peace exists with this combo. On the seventh day God rested. So there’s silence, there’s peace, there’s non verbal communication, there’s no way without even speaking, okay,

Unknown Speaker 48:19
we’re definitely there.

Unknown Speaker 48:24
This could be a couple who miss as hermits, or older friends or civilization and blissful solitude surrounded by nature, she herself is likely to be away from it all. Very spiritually inclined to sevens. But who’s going to pay the bills, if both are lost in the world of thought, see that we got

Unknown Speaker 48:51
that we got that from

Unknown Speaker 48:55
very eccentric unit, with each being absorbed in their mental interests. So that’s a couple of sevens there, right? When added up your wife’s month, day and year, it added up to the number four. Now that’s the most important number in a compatibility chart, the sum of the month, day and year. So for you, it was 125. There as of the 26th. So your gift is leadership. The number one, everybody knows that. I talked about faith aspect of, of spirituality being a researcher and analyst or thinker your year as up to 23 1976 is a 23. Okay, this happens a lot. I start I have one in kitchen and spirit kicks in. I don’t know why the camera keeps going up. Spirit is telling me to share this with you on you’re going to have a business and have an opportunity to hire your family. That’s showing up family entrepreneur. vibration shows up in your chart. But I digress. This happens a lot. I have an intention, but something come in from the

Brandon Handley 50:09
universe. Where does that where does that where does that come from? Is that coming from a number or is that coming from a vibration?

Unknown Speaker 50:15
It’s coming from the number, your month is a one in your year is a 23. Okay as up to 24. And that’s called the family entrepreneur vibration. Okay? The family entrepreneur vibration, of course, is showing up in your chart, starting your business and hiring your family. So as I said, I digress it off, this happens in the house, I have an intention, the universe will say okay, while you’re open, share this. I wanted to share that with you. So your mother today is 2424 25 is 49. So not only do your your birthdays match, but he’s a 44 plus years for your 44 plus nine is 30. There’s a 13 again, right one plus three is four. So you match not only do your days match, but when I have your muffin here that matches man when you when you took one look at her the earth must have shook

Unknown Speaker 51:26
there’s no doubt in your mind because you guys. So for for for what does that mean? I share seven seven nonverbal communication. Two fours both are very fixed in your point of view, and somewhat stubborn for us. Okay. Okay, realized material conference and business success. This is a workaholic combo that might put too much energy into working in building.

Unknown Speaker 52:09
Right not have fun. Yeah. any conflicts will be around budget or time issues. Because four is orderly. So there’s budget and time issues. Here, he should have their own bank account. This is a great business combination. So if you come to me seeking advice, as a couple, that’s what I’ll be telling you. Right. Now other when it comes to time, and budgets, because it was about keeping the trains in order, making sure everything is growing. I’ll tell you about the number four. You see when a plant a new tree brand, and they put spikes in the ground with that Robert wanted to hold it in place. Yes, sir. Before energy. Right. To the left, but it gets a good root set. Right? goes up tremendously. Education, pending it without those bikes, right. The tree is saying you’re stubborn, you’re me. You’re strict, even though you’re saving the tree lives, right? When people are complaining about you being stubborn, or mean or strict, that’s when you know you’re on your job.

Brandon Handley 53:43
I’m here, I’m here, sir. And I’m doing my contract. I gotta

Unknown Speaker 53:47
make sure whatever gets off the ground. It manifests because God created Earth on the fourth day on phase commit the physical manifestation under your energy, Brandon. So were other people have ideas and dreams. You had the ability to make your dreams reality.

Brandon Handley 54:11
Well, thank you, man. That’s, that’s, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. That’s a ton of fun. It really is. And I know you do so much more to I didn’t even go over all your credentials for the audience putting out just just so everybody understands this, you know? You’ve got Reverend Dr. Craig he right PhD, right PhD in metaphysical counseling metaphysical science metaphysical science. You know, Minister, metaphysical practitioner, so, you know, this isn’t obviously it’s not news to you, right? And you’ve actually taken the time to go and and to an actual school and get, you know, educated in this material, whereas you probably you know, you probably didn’t need to you probably found out most of the stuff or a lot of it on your own But you, you put forth a lot of extra effort. So I really appreciate you reaching out to me and being here today on the podcast sharing just a small amount of what it is that you do. And even this, this whole conversation has been very impactful for me. And it’s been a lot of fun. So, you know, if somebody else wanted to reach out to you to get this kind of service, where could I send them to, to connect with you?

Unknown Speaker 55:27
Well, they could visit my website, and they could see all the services that are available to them. And that website is www dot. Craig he right that, that c r AIGEW rI ght.com.

Brandon Handley 55:48
Awesome, Craig, thanks for being with us today.

Unknown Speaker 55:50
Thank you, Brandon.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai



Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself? Do you feel that you’re capable of way more than you’re doing? You’re doing a lot, but nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set rules for yourself and believe that you can do it.

In this episode, Rick Thompson talks about his book and how he helps people become the best versions of themselves. He discusses the subconscious mind and how important it is to accept things and envision the future.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about bringing the best out of you and setting rules and goals to be glorious. 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways your subconscious mind works and learn it to put it to the best use. 
  2. Discover the importance of setting rules and believing in what you can do.
  3. Learn the significance of goals and envision the best for yourself. 

Episode Highlights

[01:10] Gifts of God

  • You’re given everything. All you have to do is accept.
  • Rick talks about the first half of his book and talks about how our thoughts put imagery in the world and have the energy to co-create.
  • Rick shares his story of being in heaven with a huge box. He continues by talking about how he got where he is today.
  • Rick shares his experience of losing his wife and how he learned to cherish things.

[08:08] Envisioning and Searching

  • He continues to talk about how he dealt with his life’s demise and found a vision and a mission.
  • If you put thought and effort into something, you can achieve it. 
  • The future is what we believe it to be.
  • If you want something special, you have got to believe in it, in such a way that it exists for you.

[14:23] The Subconscious mind 

  • You have got to release and get rid of the negative energy. The things that are made for you will come to you.
  • It’s about flowing with the river but paddling gently in the right direction. 
  • You have to put thought and energy into life when you are contemptuous. 
  • Rick talks about his life after his wife passed away and wanted to find a motive and was looking for contempt. 
  • Someone thought of the world, and it was created because everything is a wave until it is created.

[18:53] Managing and Exploring Life

  • You don’t gotta go to work; you get to go to work. You don’t gotta get up; you get to get up.
  • Rick talks about how everyone is in a different arena and helps them open up to it to gain everything possible.
  • If we help each other become better, the world becomes a better place one step at a time.

[21:24] Imparting Knowledge and Setting Rules

  • Rick talks about his children and grandchildren and how he works on imparting knowledge to them.
  • If you have focused thinking while doing something, you will get good results.
  • You need to have a specific set of achievable rules, bring you happiness, and be realistic. If you are miserable, it’s because your rules don’t align with your life. 
  • Words are compelling.
  • You are what you say you are. 

[28:45] I am

  • When you say “I am,” your subconsciousness knows what it is, and it just connects.
  •  Some things are so well taught that we don’t even realize that we are doing it.
  • Your kids reflect exactly who you are without any filters.

[32:37] Dismantling Logic and Reason

  • You should figure out what makes you feel bad, listen to what other people say, too, review your rules and feel what is true inside you and get it in alignment.
  • Rick talks about how he likes to unfold and his favorite music and its influence on our life.
  • There is always good and bad, but we do have a choice. 
  • Rick talks about his favorite mantra of Ho’oponopono and the story behind it. 

[41:00] The Journey

  • Rick talks about how happy he is with life and feels like he has lived to the fullest, but life goals are always ongoing. 
  • It’s not the trip; it’s the journey.
  • Ricks discusses his book and the calling he had to pen it down. 
  • We all have feelings, and if we listen to them, they guide us in the right direction. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“Pain is a pathway to the divine.”

“What you believe in, as if it has already happened, will be yours.”

“It’s hardest to see your own self.”

“You can’t make everyone happy.”

“If you are not loving yourself, who is going to love you.”

About Rick

Rick is an engineer, businessman, and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is the CEO in the cement and steel industry and is recognized as the leading authority. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, accessing requirements, and solving problems on and off the work field. His latest book helps you tap deep into yourself and discover the quantum realms.

https://www.thequantummindset.com/

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So 54321 Hey, their spiritual dope, man, I always I always say my name and Brandon Handley here. I can’t, I can’t help but say, Hey, it’s me here. I’m back again. I’m here with Rick Thompson, who’s an engineer, businessman and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is a CEO in the cement and steel industry is recognized as the leading authority on post tensioning procedures working with big tech clients such as Microsoft and Google. Rick has been infatuated with science, math and the workings of the world since childhood. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, assessing requirements and resolving problems on and off the word field. His practical approach to business life and science is what makes his recent book very special and adjustable to the average reader. His book, his guide has guided programs and will provide you with tested nuts and bolts methods for entering the quantum mindset and tapping the heightened tools for manifesting your deepest dreams. And, Rick, thanks for being on the show today.

Rick Thompson 1:01
Thanks for having me. It’s always an honor and pleasure to share with others,

Brandon Handley 1:05
our present so I love to start this off with the whole idea that you know, your god man, that, you know, we are we are vessels for the creative energies of flow through the universe, and that you and I are connecting through this medium through this amplification through the podcast, with at least one specific person that’s going to catch a message that can only be delivered through you today. In this instance, true source. What does that messager

Rick Thompson 1:35
well, that you’re given everything and all you have to do is accept?

Unknown Speaker 1:42
Yeah, well,

Brandon Handley 1:42
I mean, let’s expand on that, right? I mean, I mean, I think that’s gonna be a big part of the conversation, where, you know, if I’m out there, and I’m like, Hey, man, I want everything How come was not here?

Rick Thompson 1:55
Well, that’s what the book comes, I go through, you know, the first part of my book really tells the physics behind it, until cell particle doesn’t really become a particle until it’s observed. So through many of the things like, they have this water crystal, that when they put positive energy on it, it turns to beautiful crystals. And when you put negative energy on it, and they have these different tests, even with the plant, they can kind of do these things and measure that reaction. So our thoughts in itself put energy into the world. And we have the power to So speak cocreate, because our energy is creating part of the world in front of us, you know, there’s all these other things that have been created before or by others, but we have the ability with our energy to kind of trade what we want. And to me, I have a story I like to tell, can is, puts this perspective helped me to learn that when you go to heaven with you is a giant golden box. And on that box is your name. And you get up there and you see it and go, Wow, this box is beautiful. And I wonder what’s in it and finding us what’s in this box. And they says, Well, normally we don’t tell people what’s in the box. But you ask, and it’s your box. So they open it up. And in it is all the gifts that God gave you that you did not accept. And so, you know, it’s the truth that like the sunshine shining on your world, given everything, we just have to accept the gifts that he gives us. All of this go around telling us how unworthy we are and how we don’t deserve and when smart enough. And you know, that’s just the negative or whatever power, you want to call it on the other side, kind of drag a spout away from all the beautiful things that life has given us and makes possible for us.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Now love that. So you’ve got you’ve got quite a quite a few things in there. I heard that story heard you tell that story a little earlier. And I really enjoyed the first time I’ve heard it definitely, definitely made me you know, stop and pause and think about what gifts survive, you know, kind of rejected. And then you’ve also got the route that’s the particle particles could be a wave or a particle, right until you observe it. Right? That’s the that’s the physics piece that you’re talking to. And then you’re also talking about Mr. He was a more a motto, right? The Japanese water experiment that was done. And I think that those are all awesome examples, right of physics. And then, you know, also the power of the mind. I think a question that comes to my mind is one of the same ones that I have for myself, like, what were some of the gifts that you were not receiving? That you recognize that that you actually had a gift for? I believe, I believe one of the stories I heard was that you were told that you were slow and that you had a learning disability and that you were a dreamer. But here you are today. You know being being this being this catalyst in the world that you are today. How did you how did you come upon that?

Rick Thompson 4:52
like to say you live life, and it’s for me, it’s like what didn’t happen overnight. But that’s it. Child, you know, my father left me when I was very young, and I never saw him again. You know, my mom had to raise me and she did remarried, and she remarried a great kid guy. And, you know, you can say, that’s the happiest day of, you know, my dad left, he gave me $1. And it made me really happy me and my sister both got a dog because dad can have any piece of candy. We’re very young. And it’s just, you know, it was so much to me as a little kid, that it was really excited. But that’s also the last time I ever saw. So I remembered as a happy moment. But you know, it’s kind of sad, because I never saw him again. So, to me, that’s a gift. I was given a happy moment to remember my father by at the last moment, even though it’s a breakout, and the things he went through and the suffering he had to do, because he wasn’t there, I didn’t have to suffer through I had a very good life. And because I was kind of feel rejected as a child, I think that’s why I got branded kind of the way I did. But as I read and learned and grew, you know, I and I learned to understand what was going around me and realize that I wasn’t. And I started applying those applications in life. Like, when I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to set a track record. And one of the things I did is I just envisioned it and said it. And I actually made bets with everybody the year before, saying that’s what I was going to do. And the next year I did it, and Matter of fact, I did it way above what I had ever expected. And so kind of helped me to find that what you believe in, you can make happen. And I had a very, I had a great life, you know, I was married and had children’s and a nice house. And I wasn’t super rich, but I definitely wasn’t poor. I lived what I would consider a good life. And that life was so good that it’s like what do you do to make a better life, I was happy. I was loved. I lived where I wanted. But 10 years ago, my wife passed away. And when she passed away, it created this terrible pain. And of course, the question is always why God mean. And I dealt with that for a while and started searching the world out. And instead of complaining about what was taken from me, I found that it was more important to cherish what was given. Because my wife taught me how to love and be a really good man and taught me so much. And she was so kind and generous. And I don’t know why things happen. But if I try to explain them, I just go crazy. But I do know, by changing my perspective from meaning me, why am I suffering to the gifts I got and what I can do for others, it allowed me to, you know, rebuild a new line to help others. And I do it in her name, kinda, you know, in her memory and her kindness and loving me, I help others and try to be the best man I can and just grow a little bit each day to be a better man. And those experiences are the kind of gifts that you know, when they happen, you think they’re not a gift, but when you look back at him, and look at both sides, you know, through your entire life, they turn out a gift that really makes you the person you want today.

Brandon Handley 8:24
So that’s, you’ve got your gifts that you were given, right? I mean, you do you go all the way back to the last time you saw your father, you know, I kind of jotted down, you know, this would be a story, right? Where you asked for a penny and you got $1, right, you asked and you receive but like, you know, maximum amount. And how there’s also you can look at that as a happy moment and and a sad moment, right. And then you have the other part that you talked about there was setting the track record and envisioning that what’s kind of funny is a real similar story that and that’s what’s one of my anchor points to to kind of recognizing the achievements I was like, first or second grade, though, and I ended up being like the fastest kid right, but like just kind of coming back and envisioning that like seeing yourself doing it and living it right. And, and then, you know, you’ve also got like this kind of this life that you’re living that you love, and how could it be any better and then and then your wife passes away. And that and that was like the you know, silence me to like, you know her again, listen to another one of your podcasts. I was like, No, she was true love to you. Right? That means a big big part of your life and you are in a you’re in a lot of pain and I love this line. There’s a person I listen to Sarah blonde and and she’s got this. This meditation is called, you know, pain is a gateway to divine and it sounds kind of like it that’s what it that’s what it did for you. It opened up a pathway to the divine for you. Is that what you were searching for? right because you said you kind of went out there searching. You were your why God me And were you searching for like, why are you in pain were you searching for? What was it you were searching for? In that moment? I’m just curious enough.

Rick Thompson 10:10
I was kind of searching is why am I hearing? What should I do? If I’m going to, you know, wrong to hurt yourself? So I can’t do that, because that would be a sin. In my rules anyway. And then, so I say, Well, if I’m gonna be here, then why? And what can I do to make it what you want, but you need what there is for me and the world. And so that’s kind of why I wrote the book, because I wrote some books. So I hope I can get other people to realize that if you put the thought and effort towards what you want, you can achieve it. You know, we’re all given everything to me. And if you put the action and the proper thought towards it, you will be given those things. I know, when I started doing it, after my wife passed away, I believe that will just give me everything. I, you know, work and my brain chemistry. And, you know, when I had that positive attitude, and I really protection for us, and it’s just like, whatever any kind of showed up. So I felt very blessed. Today, I feel extremely blessed. Right, this very building, it’s not like, there is a more, but it’s not like, I don’t have enough you.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Right? I mean, you get to you get to a great point. You know, but again, to so it looks like looks like sounds like what it was like, you know, why am I here? Right? What you’re searching for meaning, you know, I mean to, you know, Man’s Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, right? Like, what are you? You’re searching, right? You know, what, if you’re going to take away the things that the, you know, what was making my life so great, then why am I here and kind of searching for purpose is kind of what I’m hearing. And then you’re talking about, you know, the idea of, you know, kind of thinking and taking action. But what about the effort and effort doesn’t have to be like this extreme effort to have to really try superduper hard and like all my waking hours does that need to be? Is that how we get things? Or how, you know, what is your recommendation in regards to that?

Rick Thompson 12:19
Well, I think it’s more, there’s a conscious mind and its subconscious mind. And the conscious mind thinks, and it can think about stuff, but it takes a ton of energy and your body’s chance to physically try to reduce energy. So it will use everything in the lower levels again, so you, they tell you, like 10% of your brain, you only use 10% in your brain. But the truth is, you’re only using 10% of it consciously, you’re using 90% of it, subconsciously. So what really creates a future for us is what we totally believe. And it kind of says in the Bible, what you believe in as if it’s already happened, will be yours. So that belief is a subconscious belief, not a conscious belief. It’s when you automatically throw the football and it goes through where you want, you didn’t think about it, it just happened. And the same thing goes for things you want in your life. If you want something special, or you you got to believe in it in such a way that it exists for you. You can see it in people that have been successful. It’s like, Man, that guy just goes through life, he doesn’t put any effort into it. And it just all happens for him. That’s the way it needs to work. Because if you believe 1% subconscious, then you’re putting very little energy into it. But if you’re thinking about it and trying to force it, then it doesn’t really come to you. So that’s why people say, I put all this thought and energy into it. But you just can’t pound it in you got to kind of like, be in the wave and float with it. And it’s got to come from a subconscious level not a conscious level.

Brandon Handley 13:56
Yeah, and I’ve definitely seen this show up in my life. And I guess a couple questions I would have would be you know, do you feel like you are doing it? Or do you feel like the creation, the experience is happening through you and for you. And you know, just kind of curious on your take on that.

Rick Thompson 14:18
I feel like it’s happening, too. And for me, it’s just you’re going with the flow. I think that negative energy like bad thoughts are the things that hold you back. And the main thing you got to do is kind of forgive and get rid of the negative energy. And when you can just release and let go and you become part of the the universe the world whatever God however you want to describe it. Then it just flows with it and the things you’re supposed to do and the things that are supposed to happen come to you and you have choice, kind of but you know you’re kind of set for a path you’re given powers and those ones that you enjoy are the ones you set to do your stuff. We are getting There’s a choice between what we want to do. And when you’re choosing the things that you’re best at, you’re the most happiest. So I feel like it’s letting loose and accepting the flow of the river, but paddling gently in the right direction.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So, you know, where do you feel like you first saw this happening for you in your life and began to accept it?

Rick Thompson 15:31
Well, I thought at a younger age and started to accept it, but I saw it the most after my wife died, because I put more mental energy into it. One of the things I found that, you know, can’t contentment, you don’t have to put much thought into life, or energy into life if you’re totally content. And when I was married, with my wife, and my family and kids eyes, I had a good job, I had a happy life I was loved. I was very content. And I didn’t have any need to really find a change. But then when my wife died, I had pain and suffering, and I was not content. And through that, I put a lot of effort. And because I opened my eyes and looked more, I saw things I never saw before.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Yeah, I mean, what what an example of the some of the things that you you saw that you weren’t able to see before?

Unknown Speaker 16:27
Well,

Rick Thompson 16:30
I just went to other people, and I saw people able to do things, you know, I saw people that could, I saw a guy that could look at somebody’s eyes and a picture and tell what they’re thinking, I saw people that spiritually came up to me and talked to me about my wife, and I just traveled around and I read books, I started becoming more thirsty for knowledge, because I wanted to find what it was. So I read books, and I put them together and tried to see how they fit. And then I asked different questions like what makes a man happy and successful. And I looked at those, and when I saw them, you know, I saw the spirit, spiritual world kind of open up, or we’re all connected, we’re all connected. You know, through quantum physics, if you want to think like, somebody thought of the world, and it was created, because everything’s a wave until it’s graded. Well, the person is better the world and everything was God, he thought of it. And then he was all created. And they say, the world is created in seven days. If you stand on the event horizon, and look at the creation of the universe, it would look like seven days standing there at that point. So it is possible from his perspective, that the world was really created in seven days, in our perspective, it’s not from his it could be and I just found things like that. And other people scientist, I, you know, we’re interested in when they search and try to find, you know, what puts together universe they all end up turning to God, say, there’s a creator that created everything.

Brandon Handley 18:12
Right, the I love that perspective of, you know, kind of standing on event horizon and seeing, you know, in seven days, kind of everything being created, that’s a really cool visual.

Unknown Speaker 18:26
It’s pretty cool visual. So

Brandon Handley 18:27
when, you know, so you’re in a steel cement business, right? You know, I don’t hear too many people kind of getting into this, in the steel, cement business, you know, you’re CEO of your business, and you know, how how, you know, encouraging your, your, and you’re out there right to like, what I mean by that is, you’re putting your books out there, you’re talking about this stuff. I mean, so how is this showing up in your business?

Rick Thompson 18:54
I meet several people that work for me, and I try to teach them those ways, and help them to look at the world differently. You know, one of the things I love to tell people each day is you don’t got to go to work and get to go to work, you don’t got to get up, you get to get out. You know, it’s all a matter of perspective, how you look at it, I get to do everything I do all day long. I don’t have to, if I truly didn’t want to I can say I’m not going to do that. But I’m electing to so instead of saying I have to, I like to say I get to and I teach people those kind of things one step at a time and see where they’re at in life and try to help them because everybody’s in a different arena and try to open up the world to them. So they’ll know that anything for them they want as possible.

Brandon Handley 19:40
Have you had Have you had people you know and underneath kind of like your tutelage at the company, who’ve really been able to take to this and shine and really apply it.

Rick Thompson 19:55
Well, I don’t have a very big company, but I think they all take to it and shine with it a little bit. That’s what I like to believe in my heart. You know, I always say it’s hard to see your own cell. But what I see is people are taking it in their life to become better. I’ve had several people say that it has changed their life. So I’m very grateful I, like I said, you know, we help each other become better, and the world becomes a better place one step at a time. I’m not looking for any glory or anything, but I’d sure like to see the world become a better place each day, just like I’d like to grow a bit each day. And by helping others having a better attitude, you make the world better, and they help others and so on, and so on, and so on. And

Brandon Handley 20:35
that’s great deed and your, your, your children to write How many children do you have?

Rick Thompson 20:41
I have? Well, I’m remarried. So I have to buy my first wife, and three by my second wife. So we have five children and four grandchildren. And my daughter has two and she has two. So I have my children.

Brandon Handley 21:00
Uh, thanks for not making me do the math, uh, the the, you know, so the idea of really is as a parent, right now, as a grandparent, how are you trying to impart this to your children in such a way that I can tell you right, when I first kind of had some of these moments, and first had some realizations, I’m, you know, trying to stop it, and my, you know, my kids are kind of young, but like, just making sure that they’re exposed to it. So that, to your point, right, that you don’t have to wait till later in life. To learn this stuff, right? The sooner that you learn it, the sooner you can apply it, and hopefully, you know, how you don’t have to suffer through some of the shenanigans? I did. Right? Or, you know, that’s what we’d like to impart. Right? So have you know, what’s it like sharing it with your children? And what are they? What are they?

Unknown Speaker 21:51
What are they doing with it? Well,

Rick Thompson 21:53
they’re very grateful, they’re good to me, I love my children, they love me back, I feel very grateful. They’re using it to help their lifes grow, and envision what they wanted a life and have a great family and, you know, see what they would like to receive. The grandkids are at a young age, the way I work with them is I just spend time with them, I spend as much time with them as I can. And when I see the opportunity to teach them something and they’re listening, then I try to grab hold of that opportunity. I don’t go up and try to force them to go like, this is what you need to do. I wait for the challenges in life to come along. And then I make suggestions to them. Like, you could look at it this way or that way you have a choice, and try and teach them that they have a choice, because the truth is they do learn the most, and set the most rules from the age of one to seven. So we have an opportunity to really teach them very positive thinking processes at a younger age. And that’s what I try to do is make sure they’re not putting themselves down and saying they can’t. One of the things is, you know, I have a grandson that’s playing football right now. And, you know, we want to make sure to teach him that he’s doing a good job. And he’s not putting himself down for anything he does, you know, the thing you need to look at, did you put the effort and then you did great doesn’t matter. You know, you did great if you put action towards it and proper thought. And the other thing I try to teach him is a lot of it can be thought because if you’re thinking correctly, when you’re doing stuff, you’re gonna get a better results. So what are you thinking about why you’re trying to accomplish your task. And these are the ways I go about it with stories, because I always say stories like the golden box, or other stories, our best way to impress people with different ideas. But the bottom line is I just want to have a happy life. And it’s their choice, what they really decide. I just want to help guide them in the direction that will help them the most.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 24:05
and it’s tough, right? Especially again, as a parent, and you just want them to take this stuff in and you just want to it’s like if we could just like stick a USB, and stick into our head or something and be like, hey, you’re going to need this later at some point, right? That’d be for, you know, skip over these chapters. You’re not going to need these. But if we could do that, that’d be that’d be a lot of fun. You know, what would you mean, though, you said, you know, kind of proper thought and thinking correctly? What do you what do you say? And then when you say that,

Rick Thompson 24:36
well, everybody has different rules. So you want to have good rules. You don’t want to have rules that say, you know, I’m not smart, or I’m not able to be happy. Or maybe some of the rules I see that hurt people is like, my job is to make everybody happy. Well, that’s an impossible goal. You can’t make everyone happy. So you If you make your rules too complex in life, you’re gonna fry pain and suffering about it. What you want to do is have rules like, you know, no matter who you are, I’m going to give you a smile, or I’m going to treat you with respect, I have control of that. So if my rules are like that, then I can control the world around me to a degree, people might be unhappy, or they might be sad, but it’s not going to be my fault, because I didn’t achieve it. So you just got to be careful with your rules in life and what you kind of set in on yourself, so that they’re achievable. And they’re realistic, and they’re beneficial to you. Because most of the things that getting away are going to be our rules that we have about how life should be, you know, if you’re miserable, is because your rules don’t align with your life. And you can change them, if you want. That’s the one thing we have control over. You can’t change people, but you can definitely change your rules.

Brandon Handley 25:55
So that’s great. How do I align those two?

Rick Thompson 25:59
Well, you, it’s gonna be a little bit different for everybody, because we live different lives, and we’re all different. But what you want to do is kind of feel in your heart and your soul what feels right. And when you have bad feelings. You want to say, Well, what caused? What caused me to feel icky about this or bad about that, because we all have those feelings. And then you check your rules out and say, okay, what’s not in alignment that’s making me feel that way? And what would I need to do to make that a good rule that it’d be enlightenment and would make me happy. And you review those rules, and then you would repeat them, like, whatever the new rule might be, just before you go to bed, or when you wake up, it just depends upon each person’s individual, and what they really want out of life. And how they even define words. Because the words may mean something to somebody else when they say him than they do to you. But the I am words, I am this I am that are very powerful. If I am a good man, you will go out of your way to be a good man. That’s what you say and believe. If you say I’m a bad man, you’ll go out of your way to prove to people that’s true, too. So those roles that we make for ourselves are very important to be in line with the happiness and the joy we want in life.

Brandon Handley 27:18
Yeah, see, I can definitely relate to you know, you are what you say you are, right. I mean, you really are fine. If I look back, and oh, man, oh, Jeff, those misspent youth, right? If I look back at those misfit years, when when I was like, Oh, I’m this I am that and and you know, just kind of, and doing it unconsciously and becoming exactly what I said that I was at those points in time. And it’s just unbelievable how, when you start making that choice consciously when you start saying who you are to yourself, and looking for evidence of that, right? I found that to be kind of the one of the pieces that is key here is to state who I am today, right? Who am I today? And that’s like, whoever I want to be even in the future. I already am that right? So what are the pieces that or in the future necessary for that whole thing that I have right now to begin to build on that? I found that to be super, super potent for me. But one of the you got a couple things in here too. First, you know why? Why is I am? Like so powerful? Like just saying I am Dude, what would you say there?

Rick Thompson 28:43
That’s a good question. I’m not exactly sure why I am I just know through research that I am. Because your brain is your subconscious is really one liners. So I think part of it is because it’s just a simple one line I am. So your subconscious knows what I am is and then it just connects. And it doesn’t have to have logic or reason to connect. It just connects. So the I am statements or this is true statements, or how our subconscious is stacked. And then we use those bits of information to think with. So our conscious mind least allows us to analyze and lose us a lot of energy to decide what’s good or bad, or change however we need to. But our subconscious mind is kind of like this deck of cards that’s already pre stacked. And if you get that situation, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s it knows these rules, and it’s going to give you those answers as quickly as possible. Because to jump out of the way of a car. It’s like you don’t want to think about it. You just do it. And a lot of things in life are just like that. You don’t really think about it, you do it and even some things are so well taught to us that we don’t even realize we’re doing when they happen you know you can be talking to somebody and get that funny look on your face or you say this Word, and it kind of offends them a little bit, but you didn’t even know you’re doing that you just do it. So when you get those hard feelings if you analyze them and kind of see what’s going on, it helps you to adjust. I have a story about my daughter that kind of puts that in perspective is when she was very little. I was an ironworker. You know, iron workers are tougher than iron. At work, and I would take that home. And because I was loud and forceful, she said, Dad, you kind of scare me when you know. And she told me one time, and I said, Okay, and she told me, I never talked to our studio like that again. But I didn’t know I was, it was just a habit, I brought home from work. I think a lot of us bring home habits from work and other things. You know, they kind of accomplish what you need at work, but they don’t accomplish what you need out of life.

Brandon Handley 30:52
Yeah, that’s powerful. That’s one of the things that I found to be the gift of having a child, right. Like, they always say that children are a blessing and a gift. And when you’re changing diapers, you like that, you know, like how they are. And like, you know, you want a good night’s sleep. And yeah, there’s realize that here, but I found that they are just amazing at reflecting who you are right back to you without a filter without that without that world filter that says oh, you can’t say that, right? Oh, you can’t say that to a person. Right? That kind of thing. So I, I love I love the children for that. And and how they

Rick Thompson 31:35
write they shine. You’re right. But I love it too. They say exactly what you think,

Brandon Handley 31:40
you know, sometimes it’s not so great or

Rick Thompson 31:41
chubby pop up.

Unknown Speaker 31:46
And, and, and,

Brandon Handley 31:47
and and they you know, they they will say what you say right? They’ll talk how you talk and you’ll hear them talk like you talking like oh my god, I sound like a jerk. Right? Or like, Oh, that’s rough. I live really that rough. Because you know, you have that kind of influence on them. Especially like you said, that age like one through seven super impressionable. That’s also, like you said that the kind of the age where you build some logic and reason. So what what is, I mean, we’ve got some of these logic and reason codes that had been imprinted. Like through that age one through seven. And then I don’t know, we go through like 2020 plus years, maybe 30, maybe 40. If you’re a late bloomer like myself, when you when you finally realize that, hey, you’ve, you’ve got all this logic and reason that you built up over the years, how do you how do you begin to, like, dismantle that.

Rick Thompson 32:42
Or you’d like to say you want to see the things that make you feel bad, and listen to what other people say to and you want to review your rules, because it’s a basically gets down to what did your subconscious really believe, you know, you can tell like, I’m going to be a millionaire. And your subconscious will tell you kind of like now. Now you’re not ready yet. So you can feel inside what’s really true, you know, and when, and when you get those in alignment, those feelings, you know, I’m going to do this or that and it feels right, then you’re getting the right belief behind you, and you just reinforced those, as we get older, I think it’s harder to change in, you know, that’s why as a child, it’s a gift to kind of help them teach so much because it does stay with them very easily through all their life. As we get older, we kind of reinforce it with you know, talking to herself, or, you know, I like to use music that sings good songs to you, that tells you the kind of stuff you’re trying to think correctly. I pick out certain songs in the morning to listen to that will help you get started that just kind of put that thought into you, or you can use mantras, but the hard part is to sit down and say what are my rules? And do they serve me and the people around me? And if they do then they’re good and if they don’t then we’ll Why don’t you adjust them a little bit?

Unknown Speaker 34:04
The

Brandon Handley 34:08
good music? What do you know? Are you willing to share kind of what your your your morning wake up routine music is I mean, what gets you going?

Rick Thompson 34:17
Well, I’m not really good with all the names but I have you know, I like pop and I like different music. I have a handful that ranges from you know, classic rock, country music, and I just look for things that say positive stuff. Like there you know the song This is going to be the best day of my life.

Brandon Handley 34:37
Yeah, it’s a great song. I liked it. That’s

Rick Thompson 34:39
a good song. I like that song because this is going to be the I think I like to wish people I hope this is the best day ever had and I hope tomorrow is the best they have every day because every day is the best day from here on in Godrej. Like,

Brandon Handley 34:51
right, right. Hey, listen, I mean, so for years, a couple years they’re not mine is COVID I go to jujitsu To write and and when new barriers How you doing? Do you have when you’re getting ready to spar and like how are you doing? Like, best day in my life everything is call me to this moment, right? Like, I mean, this is the right now is the best moment of my life. It’s all it’s all built up to this moment. So any other good songs that you like? I mean, I know that for me, I literally just answered this question the other day, you know, KC, and the sunshine berry walking on sunshine, right? Yeah, that’s the song that’s like, I mean, we, when you hear that song, you gotta you have no choice. You got to, you got to smile, you got to be walking on sunshine, anything else you got,

Rick Thompson 35:35
I got a ton of them. But I don’t want to offend anybody. But you know, when I die, and I’m gonna go to the place, that’s the best.

Brandon Handley 35:41
Yeah, that’s a

Rick Thompson 35:43
champion. And, you know, I have a loved ones that I like, just, you know, what loves about and different things like that. I mean, I’d be interested from the audience, because I’m always looking for new songs, what they think are the best songs because I really think that starting your day, like that, or listen to that kind of stuff really makes an impact on your subconscious way of things. And so many songs have, you know, negative impact on them and stuff. Same as movies, so many movies can have, you know, very negative implications to them. So I’m looking for stuff to put that positive in positive thinking into your brain, so I can get that positive thinking out of my brain.

Brandon Handley 36:27
So it’s funny you say that because remember al gore Al Gore, Al Gore and tipper Gore, was it remember, they were trying to get like some of that, you know, all that, you know, not bad. I wouldn’t call it bad music. But now I wouldn’t listen to it. Right. Some of the some of the stuff that I listened to when I was younger, because of, of just how influential that is on our minds. Do you remember that? Like I do, I

Rick Thompson 36:49
don’t have to say about that. Because you know, they. There’s good and bad in everything. It doesn’t matter what it is? Yeah, you know, you have a choice. If you choose in those kinds of things, there must be a reason I don’t judge because I haven’t lived your life. But that’s going to get back to what are your rules? To your rules say that you have to fight everybody that comes along? Or can you negotiate it? And yeah, like I said, I have not lived the life of the people and how they make the decisions, or why they like stuff. I just know, for me, that’s what I prefer to have happy life. And that’s what I would recommend others. But some of those tunes that are got some weird lyrics, and let’s just say they got catchy tunes.

Brandon Handley 37:41
Hey, listen, don’t don’t get me wrong. Like, there’s still gonna be days when I still play some songs and stuff, right? And and it’s interesting, because I don’t listen to music quite as quite as much as I used to. And what will happen though, is that those lyrics will pop up in my head, like the next day or a few days later, I’m like, oh, wow, I you know, I haven’t seen that in forever. But then I can also recall, just the last time I heard it, and just I’m so cognizant of what goes in now. And seeing it show up later, right, like literally planting that seed in my mind, and it shows up somewhere else later. And I think that’s the kind of kind of what we’re hearing to for you. I think another one I like to Rick is I can see clearly now. Right? That’s a good one. I like that one. What about like, a couple mantras? Do you have the what’s what’s one or two matches that you find yourself using to help you stay positive,

Rick Thompson 38:41
I like to use Have you heard of Ono Pono.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I’ve heard of it, I have not delved deeply into it and want to tell us a little bit about what that is.

Rick Thompson 38:48
So Ono, Pono is a like a Hawaiian chant. And there was this guy that went to a prison. And he was hired as the lead, you know, the director of the prison. And when he went there, it was a terrible place. And people were fighting and having all this trouble. And all he did in that prison was to take the people’s pictures, and he would do this pair of them. I love you. Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you. And he would do that in there. Because he felt like, you know, they he needed saving. By saving himself by asking for forgiveness, he’s saving them and eventually that prison, you know, it got better and better until they actually shut it down. And so those are that’s one of the things I like to do. You know, I think about all the little things I did wrong during the day or the things I said to people, and I’ll pick those people out, and I’ll do that at night. Or maybe right after I just did it wrong. And I just send that out now. I just think it makes a big difference. You know, it’s a simple jet, but I love you Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 39:53
Yeah, that’s, that’s, uh, I love that. You know, I love that. I love that story. And it’s first I’ve heard it It reminds me to of, you know, the meta meditations, right the loving kindness kind of real similar, right we send you know, no love and kindness out to somebody other people, some some that you’re having some that you’re on bad terms with some people that you don’t know at all or whatever right now close ones and yourself, right? I think that that’s always important is to, to make sure that you’re giving yourself a little little love. I mean, love yourself first too, right? I don’t know about you. But if you’re not loving yourself, then who’s gonna love you? Right? Right?

Rick Thompson 40:33
I agree. It’s kind of like the oxygen mask. I don’t put them oxygen mask, or I don’t take care of myself, how can I help anybody else? I need to take care of myself enough. So I’m strong to contribute to you.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Know, and you so you, you felt like, you know, again, you kind of fell into this stuff? Have you applied it in your business? Has your business? Do you feel like your business has been exponentially more successful? Or do you just feel more successful as a person in general, because of all that you’re doing in the way you’re employing it? Or is it both?

Rick Thompson 41:06
Both? I feel like my life is way better. I’m happy. I feel like I live. I’m grateful every day I lived a blessed life. I feel so blessed. I’d love to have everything I need. It’s a great life. And my business does well, and I help others. And I mean, it’s not the trip, it’s the journey. So the goals are always more the goals are the opportunities to go forward. I have goals to do all kinds of things in the future. Just because I want to contribute and make the most of my life. It’s not like I need more. I have everything I need today and more. It’s just fun to travel the road.

Brandon Handley 41:47
But what would you say the importance of recognizing that distinction, that you just said that they’re you know, you’ll want more? But you’ve got everything that Jordan need right now? How does that change? Kind of the effort, stress levels, etc?

Rick Thompson 42:07
Well, I think it’s, again, your rules, I think the stress level goes way down. If you can believe those things totally. Can I don’t need more, I don’t have to have this, I’m not suffering, you know, I’m not worried about this or that or that. Those things go away. And I forgive those that make mistakes and don’t hold grudges, and I get rid of that negative engine energy I feel and you write on that energy wave or that love wave, whatever you want to call it. Right? Everybody calls it different. But it’s existed for millions of years, because they talked about it. For me. The physics is different today than it was at the beginning of time. Right? We just call it different stuff and look at it from a different perspective. Right? The physics are all still the same?

Brandon Handley 42:50
No, I mean, you know, to your point earlier, I think a little bit on Nope, we talked about it while we’re here. So much, but everything, you know, God’s created everything right, you know, everything has already been created. It’s really just our awareness of it. Right. And maybe, I don’t know coalescing it through our thoughts and being able to see it, right. I mean, something along those lines, the so what made you What made you decide that, you know, you should be putting out a book. And now, as it relates to this material, why you Why now?

Rick Thompson 43:27
Well, it’s just the way life went. And, you know, you kind of the calling, there’s just something that says, hey, you should do this, you know, I thought I’d never be able to write a book. My history is not a writer, you know, I love science and stuff. But when it comes to the English language, those kind of things, I’m not top notch, I have a lot to learn. But someone came to me and said, Hey, you should write a book. And then I started thinking about what I learned. And I love the subject of science and how energy comes together and how it can help your life. And it helped my life so much. I just had that calling that how do you help somebody? I don’t know for sure what I’m supposed to do to help others. But when you get that feeling in your heart, like you should do something. I tried to do it, and I got that feeling in my heart. I should do that. So I did it.

Brandon Handley 44:14
Nice. My sounds like I mean, it sounds like to your I always get some backlash when I say, you know, following your bliss, but I mean, when you follow, I guess you’re kind of heart hearts guidance is what I guess we could call it. Are you following the guidance of your heart? And that leads to something good? Is that kind of what you’re saying here?

Rick Thompson 44:36
Yeah, I believe that. You know, we all have feelings. We all have feelings. And if you listen to them, they’ll guide you in the right path. When you go into a room you can tell rooms negative or positive. You can tell so many things in life, we don’t realize. It’s like the water crystals. You can prove that your energy does it but there’s energy there. You can when we They do statistics on good and bad things happening when they have prayer, they have perceptions. And statistically, they can prove that when they have those set prayer sessions, the bad events go down. So our energy out there that we have, connect with everybody is available. So what do you do to make that work the best for everybody?

Brandon Handley 45:22
That’s awesome. So where the title of the book again? Where can people kind of go to find it? And where should they connect with you?

Rick Thompson 45:32
The title of the book is the quantum mindset in a nutshell, and I have a webpage, that’s the Quantum mindset.com. You can go there and connect with me there. And if you look up the book and stuff, it’ll connect you to me. And through that website, that’s the best way you want to email, ask questions. If there’s something I can do to help you just let me know. I’d love to help. Awesome and who

Brandon Handley 45:55
would you say like your, your ideal reader, I guess if you know, if we were, if we were talking marketing terms, that avatar or even your niche, like, who’s gonna be picking this book up? Do you think Who’s this talking to?

Rick Thompson 46:11
I think it’s people that are trying to understand life and maybe are looking for a change and not clear whether they can really make that effect on their life. This book gives you a lot of solid facts about why this is possible physically. And if you’re looking for that kind of supporting information, but I think anybody who’s looking for to change their life with positive energy, this book is a good place to start.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Recommend I just want to say thanks for I know you’re a busy man. So I want to say thanks for stopping by spiritual dope and hanging out sharing some of your story, your insights, and you know, hopefully somebody out there is no totally influenced by our conversation today. So thank you.

Rick Thompson 46:53
Well, I hope it helps people and that’s why I’m here to help you and I’m very grateful for you having me here today. And hope you have a wonderful day, your week. Bye.

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In this podcast, we interview Kurtis Lee Thomas, Corporate Mindfulness Trainer, and the book’s internationally bestselling author, The World is Yours, The Awakening – The Secrets Behind the Secret.

Starting, Kurtis gives a message to the listeners of the podcast, “Whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first.” He also talks about the universe and the power it holds. 

Next, Kurtis explains breath-work as a healing mode and the process of dealing with emotions, stress, drama, trauma, and the emotional intelligence of dealing with things. He also discusses his experience with breath-work as compared to numerous techniques that he has tried. He explores the spiritual awakening concepts from his 3-D world and how to get a bigger picture of this world. 

He talks about his best-selling book, which he wrote after going through some unhealed trauma. 

He also talks extensively about the art of manifesting and the fact that we need to know what we want to achieve. 

Next up, Brendon and Kurtis talk about the factors holding us back. Self-sabotaging by focusing on what we don’t want and holding on to something from the past that we don’t need. Then they continue to discuss breath-work and letting go of things. Kurtis says, “you need to let go if you want to let in” and explains how stored emotions create stories. 

Kurtis discusses going from having zero spiritual experience to actually experiencing everything in a span of a month which then led him to research for 10-12 hours a day. He talks about his experiences from the spiritual world, the law of attraction, and cosmic consciousness. 

He then explains how the earth is not our home but our mission and continues with the power of breathing and its techniques. He explains how when you breathe full, you are living your life to the fullest and when you breathe shallow you are living a shallow life. 

Moving on, Kurtis talks about the idea of letting go of things and how it all comes down to comfort. He explains his idea of negative energy having consciousness and the greatest fear of its being destroyed. 

He then goes on to talk about how we live in the age of anxiety and the idea of this population being scared of the future. 

Next, they talk about the game of integration. Kurtis talks about the learning from Buddha and Jesus and integrating knowledge into this 3-D form of life. 

Towards the end, they talk about Kurtis’s experience with fatherhood and the blessing he had to raise a daughter. Ending the podcast, they discuss Kurtis’s new book.

Podcast Outline:

[00:00] Introduction 

[01:06] One message to the listeners

[02:53] Talking about the present

[06:06] The technique of breath-work

[07:54] Introducing breath-work into regimes 

[10:28] Self-sabotaging and holding on

[14:30] The power of breath-work

[16:07] The wakening experience 

[18:40] The significant personal experiences

[24:20] The power of breathing

[27:40] Letting go

[31:16] Breath-work and anxiety 

[37:15] The game of integration

[43:05] Fatherhood

[46:00] The new book: Breathwork Detox: How to Thrive in the Age of Anxiety 

Connect with Kurtis on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/manfromthestars/

Transcription below is machine generated:

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:06
Oh, man, you know, I will say every year, I have like one message, one mantra that I live by. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope I’m on today with Curtis Lee Thomas. He is a corporate mindfulness trainer and a number one best selling author of The World Is Yours. The secret behind the secret. The book has been seen in the hands of mega influencers, like Oprah Winfrey, Tony Robbins, Steve Forbes and Kanye West. Curtis is the founder of breathwork detox and just released his new book titled How to thrive in the age of anxiety and curse before we even get started. Man, I want to what what is your what’s your Instagram?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:36
handle? Man from the stars? What’s that all about? Man from the stars?

Brandon Handley 0:41
Yeah, so

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:42
I am, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:43
I love it. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 0:44
I love it.

Brandon Handley 0:45
So, before we get started, how I like to get these going is Look, man, you and I are creators, right? And the universe creates through us and creates moments delivers messages, yada, yada. There’s only one message that can come through you right now, at this time for one of the listeners, what is that message today?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:18
I’d say the first rule of karma states that whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first, you know, so that was like a big realization, you know, for me, and like, I was looking for a mentor, like I wanted, like, this billion dollar, you know, big business mentor to help me you know, you know, build my success. And I sat there and looked in the mirror. I’m like, you know what, I’m not even helping anybody. I’m not mentoring anybody? How am I going to expect to attract that if I’m not even willing to do that for somebody else. And then, so I agreed to bring somebody on, as soon as I started mentoring somebody, boom, the mentor popped in my life. So it’s like, you know, we all want we all want why, but like, you know, learn to like, learn to use the natural ebb and flow of the universe and to, you know, give and receive, you know, we got, you know, a left and a right hand, and we get a take as much as we were willing to give, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:09
that’s great. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like you get what you give.

Unknown Speaker 2:13
Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:15
and, you know, I love the idea of you know, you’re you’re big in law of attraction, if I’m not mistaken. Obviously, you know, we’re talking about the secret a little bit today. If you look at the idea of like, the tourists, right, the tourists in the field, right? And like how starts off kind of small from the inside. But as it goes out, boom, it gets bigger, and it comes back to like, no matter what, so like the universe’s force multiplier, am I right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 2:40
No, yeah, it is. Yeah, like magnetic beings, man.

Brandon Handley 2:44
Yeah. Well, so let’s, let’s, I mean, let’s start off with me a little bit, a little bit more about, like, where you’re at today, and then we’ll just kind of talk about how you got there. Right. So you just finished up, like, this new book on breathwork. And, and you’re, you know, you’re leading the field by doing like, even corporate training with breathwork. Let’s talk a little bit about not that what’s going on there.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 3:06
Yeah, man, just I just found breathwork to be, you know, literally, like the most powerful healing modality on the planet right now. You know, and through my own journey, you know, I’ve done a lot of stuff, you know, many things that were, you know, invasive, you know, like, combo, you know, putting frog poison inside of us. So you can projectile vomit out toxins, like does pretty invasive, and then go into the jungles and you know, drinking Ayahuasca for, you know, seven days, you know, seven times in a row and within nine days, like some intense stuff, and, and, you know, other modalities, healing modalities, like ozone therapy, and like, you know, pretty still biohacking stuff. And like when I found breathwork, like it was the secret sauce, because I had a five year stomach issue that doctors could not tell me what was wrong with me. I’m talking dozens of doctors, and I went to one breathwork and eradicated my stomach issue. And to the point, I was flabbergasted of like, how that was even possible. And then I hit me, I’m like, wow, the reason why these doctors couldn’t tell me what was wrong with me, is because my issue wasn’t physical. It was energetic. It was emotional. And you know, and this was at the time where, you know, I’m holding on to a certification for life coach, hypnotherapy, NLP, Reiki Master, like I have all these, these tools. And still, I was never taught how to deal with emotions, you know, how to regulate emotions, how to, you know, release the suppressed trauma and all the stuff that we all have from childhood, then, you know, we didn’t have the emotional intelligence back then to learn how to deal with it and started becoming compounded because it kept coming in. But we were figuring out how to deal with the old stuff. And I was one of those people and I got messed up. And you know, it started messing me up physically. So, you know, to me, breathwork was the Trojan horse. Like I actually was taken executives and see To the jungles, the drink I Alaska because I love to give people an experience and I want to give people their results that are immediate and undeniable. You know, and in, you know, I Alaska does that. But it’s you know, you got to take time out, you got to go to the jungle, you got to get a shaman, but breath works like the Trojan horse, you go in there, just say, hey, let’s breathe today, you know? And then these have these profound cathartic releases. And you know, you got dead metal tryptamine Yes, accreting and people are like, you know, dreaming while awake and having these epiphanies and realizations and healing traumas, all from breathing. So I’m like, okay, the world needs to know about this man.

Brandon Handley 5:39
No doubt. You know, I recently, within the past, probably six months, maybe the past year, right? Because I can’t I can’t understand what happened with the timespace contain with 2020. The breathwork, right. You showed up in my life? No, first, you know, I think most people right now. It’s like Wim Hof The Iceman. Right and his story. And then um, you know, another place that it showed up for me was, and I was actually a little disappointed I’m not gonna lie I looked at you know, you listed out these breathworks need to add one is the Japanese breast called like hora h A Ra. And I was reading this book by like, you know, some German dude. And then next thing I know, I got a buddy of mine who’s who’s just started doing some breath work and, and I had my hands out, I was like, just like everything else, right? Just like everything else, right? Like in this self development phase. Now, I’m cool. I’m gonna be good. I’m gonna be over here. I breathe in pretty well, my entire life. I don’t need what you got, right. But what happened was a buddy of mine. You know, he’s like, I’ve been going to the saint is awesome. I was like, Alright, I’ll fucking go. It’ll be fine. And I went, and mind blown dude. I’m like, Mind blown. I don’t have I lost experiences. But I had plenty of other like you call them evasive experiences, or? We’ll call it that and plenty of them and many different varieties. And the beauty of this, this breath work that you’re talking about is just that right? It’s clean. And it’s comes from breathing. Exactly.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:16
Everybody’s everybody’s holding pain, how we all

Brandon Handley 7:20
first, sir, for sure. The breath works pretty amazing. And so you were already kind of out on the, in the front end of kind of like this exploratory space, though. With your life coaching with Reiki and the doing the law of attraction, right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:41
Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:44
Just so you know, bring that up, because you’re kind of already out there in the forefront and having these conversations so what happens like when you when you when you start bringing breathwork to it?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:53
Yeah, well, I realized like, once, you know, my whole first book, The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret was all about awakening, spiritual awakening. And, you know, it could help anyone at any level, you know, awaken, awaken from their slumber of what’s really going on in the world, you know, the 3d world, the spiritual world, it kind of just really gave a good breakdown of the overall bigger picture. And I realized once you start waking people up, you know, the next thing, they’re like, Okay, I’m awake. Now I can see all my stuff my lights turned on. Now, what do I do? I mean, like, life isn’t all peaches and cream, after you wake up. And I was like, wow, we can always people up and you know, their lifes are better. You know, they’re there. Because, you know, when you wake up, you start researching crazy, go pretty much insane, you know, for a good phase of your life. So I’m like, I need to come up with a tool. And of course, like, you know, I didn’t, I found it through my own pain and suffering and, and then I found that tool. And that’s why I wrote the second book because I was like, it was meant to be like a gift for all the people that I woke up Okay, now, here’s how you can like work through all the traumas and stuff and you know, in in the crazy information that you have to disseminate now that you’re awake, and but I did realize something like I realized some super important and powerful from teaching breathwork for the last decade, I’m sorry, I’m teaching the law of attraction for the last decade, and I realized that the majority of people self sabotage their manifestations. And what I learned is that you know, I really don’t have to teach anybody how to manifest because they’re already manifesting. Everybody right now listening to this in this very moment you are manifesting the mechanics are

automatic.

I can remind you that you get to have some clarity you have to remember and know what you want because what you want is up to you but how and when you get it is not okay and then you got to be able to you know, be able to feel the will see the visualizations of it. If you can’t see yourself achievement achieving that, then who else can and then if you’re able to see yourself achieving Then you’re able to feel the emotions. And that is what activates it and sends that beacon out into the universe, you know, and then you have to become aligned with that and take some sort of action that’s going to give, you know, be the breadcrumbs to you achieving what you need to achieve. That’s the mechanics of it. We do it every single day, the small things and big things. But the reason why people say I want this, I want this, I want this and they’re not getting that is because they’re self sabotaging. Now, they’re doing that for two reasons. One, they’re focusing, they’re really focusing on the things that they don’t want, instead of the things that they do want. And we just kind of do it naturally, because our brains are hardwired that way. And I read a study that said, you know, 80% of our thoughts, humans are negative in nature. And 98% of our thoughts every day are the same thoughts we had the day before. So we’re on this shitty hamster wheel, recycling these crappy thoughts every single day. And most of it is worry, doubt fear, lack scarcity. And we’re focused on the things we don’t want to happen. We’re not tapping in to the vibration, of visualizing and feeling the feeling of already achieving and having what it is that you want. That’s the secret. It’s easier said than done. I get it. But why is that the wise important? Why do we keep doing that? And it leads me to the second thing, and that was the game changer as far as manifesting. And what I learned is that people are self sabotaging because they’re still holding on to the junk, to the old limiting beliefs to the old trauma to the past breakups to the partner screwed them over all the stuff that they weren’t given the tools of how to emotionally heal and to let go and forgive. Yeah, we know forgiveness is the root of all healing. But How the hell do you forgive? Where’s the booklet on that? You know, it’s like, I didn’t learn that stuff. And it wasn’t until breathwork that I realized, wow, I’m my own healer on my own everything. And that’s what I want to do. I want to empower people to do the same because that breathing technique goes into literally every Nadi in your system 72,000 Noddies in your system, and clears out all those emotional blockages. This is why you got a roomful of 100 people in a breath work, and you got 85 of them breaking down in tears. I don’t care who you are, how bad acid you are. I’ve done this in prisons, I’ve done this for NFL players, I’ve done this for war veterans, you get the baddest people on the planet, you show them this breathing technique, they’re going to break down. And they’re going to do it gladly, because it’s stuff that they’ve been holding on, that’s just so heavy that you just can’t hold on to no more because it’s weighing you down. I mean, it’s it’s literally blocking your manifestations. And once you clear out all that stuff, I know you’re able to land or take off, like think about it, we all want to take off somewhere, but you cannot take off the you know, those people will not let you take off unless you clear the runway, you know, air traffic control would not let you take off unless you clear the runway. And if you try to land somewhere in life, then that runway has to be cleared. You need to let go so you can let in. And what happens is when that junk still sitting there, you know, occupying the space that you’re the good stuff wants to come in. Right? What does that airplane do? It starts circling it circles, it circles until the runway is clear. And that’s why we feel like we’re going in circles and we’re on this hamster wheel. It’s not because the the why the reason why people are self sabotage is because you got to let go of the stuff that’s blocking the way for the good stuff that you want. That’s it, release and let go.

Brandon Handley 13:33
Who cares? I work so hard for all these, you know, emotions and all these things, right? This is my story. You know, this is this is, uh, you know, I am this way because of the breakup, I am this way, because, you know, he kept all my CDs, I am this way, you know what I mean? So,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 13:53
let me say this off of that, that is important, and what you what you’re hitting on, and it’s the cause of it, actually. Because you know, and the reason why people don’t heal isn’t because of their biology. It’s because of their biography, the same bullshit story, they keep telling themselves over and over again, you know, even if it’s true, that’s what’s weighing them down. That’s what’s holding them back. And, you know, stored emotions create stories. And when we learn to get rid of those emotions, the stories go with them, and we learn to get rid of the stories, those stored emotions go with it. But I realized, the key with the breath work is it gets the emotions out. And then the stories come up and you realize that bullshit and you stop saying them and you create a new narrative

Brandon Handley 14:42
in your life. That’s awesome. So you get I mean, you know, through through the power of breath work, you’ve got a kind of a release mechanism, a recharging mechanism. And, you know, if you did it right, then you know, your head was supercharged. Right and And, you know, you kind of you got these visualizations and you haven’t experienced that. Even if you’ve done iosa even if you’ve done copious amounts of shrooms or anything else like that, in your life, this experiences is wholly different than that, right? And it’s, um, not a big one to say, elevated, it’s an elevated experience, though, right? And, and all senses of the word because again, it’s something that you just did just by breathing, you elevated your whole sense of being just in that moment, right? And, and you super, super, really got past your stories and your bullshit, right? And again, um, so you know, what I’m really curious about, though, too, is you talked about your awakening experience, right? I think that what’s what’s kind of interesting about these awakening experiences is that they can happen at any time in your life. And it sounds new, you’re younger than me. But that doesn’t mean like, you can’t, you can’t have that experience, right? It doesn’t matter how old you are, you can it can come at any time. So I’m curious to hear kind of about what your awakening experience was. because like you said, when you have that you’re like, I gotta go figure out what just happened to me. What just happened to me, and they like, you got to go learn so much stuff, right? Like, alright, well, this, you know, it’s totally real, because it just happened. right to you. Right? And so, tell us a little bit about that. And then like, you know, kind of what you did to get your, your sea legs back, right.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 16:33
Man, I’ll say that I had the most because I’m a very stubborn minded, Capricorn logical, analytical, so the universe had a knock me upside the head in every direction. And I went from having zero, you know, spiritual experiences, nothing like that would ever stand out. And within a matter of three months, I had every single spiritual experience you can imagine. And because I believe that they happened all at the same time, it caused me this, like, shattered my world, my reality, my life went upside down. But really, I later found out it was turned right side up. And I started researching and, you know, luckily, I had a little money saved where, you know, it shook me so much. I didn’t work, I think, for that for the rest of that year. And I was researching literally, probably 10 to 12 hours per day, every day, while I was getting headaches and migraines, it was pretty bad. And, and yeah, I became obsessed, because I have that obsessive, you know, personality. And when I need to learn something, it’s like, I got to go all in. And at the time when I was when I was awakening, which is probably 1010 years ago. I remember searching stuff on YouTube. And I searched at all like all the spiritual alien, weird stuff that was there. I got I consumed all the content, literally, all of it, where I was waiting for people to post I had notification I’m like, like, when’s people going to post like, I’m searching for that I couldn’t find the information. Now, today. I mean, I’d have to live, you know, 1000 lifetimes to be able to watch all the videos that are out there.

Brandon Handley 18:11
Yeah, no, amen. Man. I mean, I saw I saw on your pictures too, like you’re hanging out with Bruce Lipton. He was definitely part of my, you know, experience of like, hey, I’ve got to go out there and learn everything, all the all those all of his videos, and all that kind of content. So what would you say? Like, what were some of those specific experiences that if you could share any of that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 18:35
Sure. I’ll give me like the top the top one. So, you know, one was, I had no idea about the spirit world. And my brother had passed away, and it was sudden, nobody knew who did it. It was a homicide. And I ran into a psychic. And she, you know, I didn’t believe in psychics at that time. And long story short, she connected to him, I had a conversation. I didn’t, I was very skeptical, then all of a sudden, I’m like, Whoa, this is him. Like his personality was coming through. He was telling me things that only only me and him knew. And I was like, wow, like, how does this How is this all possible? And then he told me like the like, What happened to him? You know, and who did it? And it was pretty wild. And you know, Nobody. Nobody knew. And I was the only person that then you know, had this conversation. And then two weeks later, they ended up catching the people that kill them. And it was the same names he told me in the session. And I was like, What in the world? Like, how is this possible? So now, I’m like, want to learn about like the spirit world. So that was like one part. And then you know, I I started learning about the law of attraction, I read the secret. So now I started becoming more empowered. like wow, like my thoughts can really turn to things like oh yeah, this happened. And then the universe shows you more synchronicities and some weird stuff started happening and then The railway stuff started happening where I started astral projecting. So at nighttime was like, I didn’t know your soul can leave your body without dying. Like, nobody taught me that I didn’t read that in the manual. And I started having those lucid dreams. And then I actually seen a UFO, several UFOs. And then I learned about something called sci fi, which is Close Encounters of the of the fifth kind where these people from around the world, they’ll go to undisclosed locations, and they’ll call in extraterrestrial ships. And I’m like, this is a thing, like, like, Where’s the How much is it? 300 bucks take my money, like, I just, I’m going like, even if it’s like, just to prove myself. And sure enough, Bro, I went to this training in Joshua Tree. And there was a three day training and every single day the ship showed up. And I was like, wow, is this not in the news? How I was not people talking about this, I got a cool little certification, C five, certified basler that I you know, I don’t think I can show that to too many people. But like, This all happened in like, three months, you know, it’s like, and so now my life is like, completely. And you know, what, and I’ve mentioned the ET thing, because what really happened is when I when I saw the UFO, you know, it was like, from one moment to the next I was changed person. Because what happened in my brain, if I can articulate it is I was like, wow, you know what? Anything is possible. Anything is possible. And like I realized at that moment, oh, this is why this is the most top secret thing in the government that they don’t want you to know is because if people knew the truth about ETS, it literally expands your consciousness faster, and more efficiently than any other truth that I ever had. It’s like you just shattered this glass ceilings. And next thing you know, you got cosmic consciousness. So I started to stop thinking in 3d. And earlier you asked me, Why do I call myself man from the stars, is once once I started researching and understanding the totality of who I am, why we’re here, what’s really going on the you know, the greater narrative of galactic history because, you know, people whose there’s people out there still believe Christopher Columbus discovered America. I mean, the guy was given a map that was already drawn out. And when he got there, people were already there. So How the hell did we buy this when we were kids, you know? So it’s like, they don’t we don’t even know. And if you look at the history here in the United States, and you go to China and Russia, you’re looking at completely different histories. You know, it’s written by the victors. So forget about we don’t even know world, US history, nevermind world history, forget about galactic history. And what I learned about it is that, you know, Earth is, is not our home. It’s our mission. There’s a lot of light warriors, you know, in lightworkers, who came here with a very specific mission. And right now people are stepping into their power. This is why you’re here, this is why you have this podcast, this is why you created the space. This is why you have these listeners, this is why we do what we do. And it’s been culminating and building up to something bigger,

Brandon Handley 23:04
which is right around the horizon. And, you know, this is this is why we do what we do. Now, that’s powerful, right? It’s great that you say that right? When you when something is shattered, right? And the illusion of something shattered like that, then that opens up a whole bunch of other possibilities. It just says, Well, if that’s not real, if everything that I’ve been told up to this point, you know, in this one moment, this is a pretty big moment for you. And if that’s not real, then your mind blown, right? But the the other part of it, too, is what you do right now with the breath work. You don’t even know how to breathe, what else have you been doing wrong? And that’s the thing that you do every single day of your life. Right? I mean, that’s, I mean, that’s Sorry, I got to it that it sort of was like I was like, we’re not even breathing, right? I mean, when we’re not.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 24:00
When you say that, it’s literally like, like, we actually do something called paradoxical breathing. So like, if I have a room and I’m teaching like 200 people in a room and I say, Hey, everybody on the count of three, you know, put your hand on your belly, put your hand in the chest and the count of three, everybody take the deepest breath, and they everybody goes through that. And you see all that chest fills up and not one belly moves. But guess what, if you ever watch a fish or dog or a baby, if you watch them breathe, when they take a breath in, the only thing that moves is their belly. Hmm. And that’s how we’re supposed to breathe, posted, breathe through the diaphragms and, and hit that power center because the belly is where 80% of our serotonin is produced, is where 80% of our immune system, you know, is so it’s like the two things we crave the most is what held that happiness, right? And it’s located in the guy without even breathing in there. And we actually do it on purpose. Subconsciously on purpose, if that makes sense, is because the stomach is where we house our emotions. And so what happens is we store a lot of trauma there. So people subconsciously don’t want to breathe into that area because they don’t want to feel the pain of life. But what happens is, when you do that, you also stop the pleasures and the joy of life. And that serotonin production in your immune system, and you know, we got to breathe full, because when you breathe full you out, you live a full life. And when you breathe shallow, you’re living a shallow life. Like, it’s all everything is connected to everything else, that how you do anything, is how you do everything. So it’s like, you know, when people come to my breathwork sessions, that we talked about this earlier, I said, you know, life life and breath work is like an ATM. You know, you’re going to get out of it, what you put in, you know, so we got, we got to do deep breathing, we got to do conscious breathing, and I know it sounds so like, like flimsy. wimzie. Like, oh, yeah, come and breathe with me. It’s gonna change your life. Or, hey, come take this walk with me, brother. You know, Brandon, come take this walk, I’m gonna change your life. It’s like, Come on now. But when you go to this breathing venue, like we have just socks get knocked off. You don’t know what the heck hit Yeah. And your life changed? And, you know, 30 minutes?

Brandon Handley 26:07
Yeah, no. 100 100%, right. You know, just like kind of like all these other things like where you set an intention for the those breathwork sessions and you come out of it. And some of that stuff’s already been done. you couple that with the power of, you know, kind of law of attraction and thoughts create things. And when you couple that with know, the emotional outlet and the visualization of a breathwork session, you’re like, not hyperdrive, right, like, I mean, it’s Yeah, it’s gonna happen one way or another. And that’s, um, you know, I just think another, another tool that I, you know, I, you know, I’m curious. Now. Now, of course, I’m like, none of us good enough. Now. I’m like, now I’m like, Alright, well, what’s next? Right?

Unknown Speaker 26:53
Because Yeah, the law

Brandon Handley 26:54
of attraction, things is pretty well figured out. Right? Like, you’ve got that pretty much nailed down. I think one of the things that’s important too, is like, you talked about it kind of in the earlier right, let go stuff so so you can let other stuff in. Right. And that’s kind of like another piece of the law of attraction, like people are holding on to what they’ve got what already is, right? versus like, you know, the possibility of what could be and they’re so afraid to let go of all the things they don’t even want. Exactly, right. There’ll be like telling you like, oh, that thing, I hate that this thing, I hate this, I hate this, that the other thing, but I’m, I’m afraid to let go of it to get what I actually want. I mean, talk to me a little bit about through that, and like kind of how you get people past that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 27:41
I mean, that is like the ultimate paradox of life, right? It’s like, you know, we want all these things, but we’re afraid to let go of the things. And it really comes down to the emotion, if you’d call it that of comfort. We become comfortable with the pain in the brain, the brain is not designed to make you smart, and make you all this money. The brain is designed to keep you safe. And it keeps you safe by keeping you comfortable, it keeps you in a comfort comfort zone. That’s why whenever you venture outside your comfort zone, the brains like Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? It’s like, you know, fear, doubt, failure, all these like little missiles coming at you trying to prevent you. And you got to overcome that, you know, and even with breathwork, you know, the hardest part of breathwork is the first, you know, eight to 10 minutes, and all the things that’s going on behind the screen of your awareness comes to the forefront, and the brain literally tries to prevent you from continuing the breath work, being to have a breakthrough, because it’s afraid, you know, that it’s going to be eliminated, you know, you can kind of connect this to ego, we can get a little bit deeper, because I had this philosophy that negative, heavy and negative energy has consciousness, you know, it’s a dense consciousness, and its greatest fear that it holds is the fear of destruction, fear of elimination, and I learned this taking people to the jungles of Peru. And when I noticed, you know, to 23 people, you know, you’d have almost every single person would have these stories of how it was almost impossible for them to get there. And it was because, you know, all these things came up that tried to prevent them from getting to the jungle to have this experience. Because that energy inside of them, which is a part of them was had consciousness in it knew it was going to the jungles to be eliminated. And it did everything to prevent that person from having that breakthrough because it feared death. Right. So I think that the two reasons is is one that energy that that’s in us, it we’re comfortable with it and went to the point where well we’re willing to hold on to it because we’re afraid of the unknown. We’re afraid what’s next, even if it could be good you You know what whatnot. And then the other thing is, you know, the consciousness of these energies that are inside of us that are living that we’re looking to get out. You know, these traumas have have stone stories in personality. And you know, they don’t want to leave. So you got us the comfort, the comfort, and you got the the energy of that that does not want to leave. And when you take those two together, a watch is why it’s so hard for people to let go. And the reason why the breath works so powerful because all you got to do is sit down, lay down and breathe. And you push that stuff out of you. It’s like, Oh, you Listen, don’t worry about just breathe, and it’s gonna come up. It’s gonna release. You might cry. You might laugh, but it’s coming out.

Brandon Handley 30:43
Yeah, man. It’s like a second neuro blast. Right. I love that. That idea, though, of kind of negative energy having its own kind of lifeforce, right? It’s kind of like, Hey, I’m going to show up no matter what you do. And you have to try like hell to get rid of me, like a grease stain stuff worse. But um, yeah, I think that one of the stories that, you know, you talked about, yeah, I think that’s really interesting. But one of the things that you talked about, too, was, you know, how does breathwork help out with anxiety? I think you’ve got a little bit of a story about that as well.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 31:17
Yeah, you know, they say that we right now we live in the world of anxiety. You know, this is the age of anxiety. And I remember five years ago, I read an article that said, By the year 2020, anxiety, depression will be the number one disabilities worldwide, not even United States. And right now we’re in 2020, what are we in 2021. And that has fully manifested that prophecy. And, you know, anxiety is the number one, this was pre COVID these when they these statistics came out. So imagine like, now we got suicide at all time rape, and how I feel why breathwork So, so powerful. Well, let’s look at anxiety because I had anxiety and I had panic attacks. And I feel like they’re connected. Because, you know, I tell people that make sure you kill the monsters while they’re small. Because what happens is stress is what you really need to look out for, because stress, when it goes unchecked, turns into anxiety. And when anxiety goes unchecked, it turns into panic attacks. And, you know, all, you know, kind of stress and anxiety in particular, what is anxiety? Why do we have it? It’s fear of the future. You know, so the body, the body tends to live in the past. Right? The minds tend to live lives in the future, you know, the soul wants to be present. So when we have anxiety, it’s because our brain is going somewhere in the future. We keep going in the future. We go, here we go. We’re overthinking. We’re overthinking. And, you know, those thoughts kind of just circulate us. They’re, they’re around us. 24 seven, and with the breath work, you know, when you go in and start like meditation. Meditation is to me, is an advanced practice. And why do I say that? I say that, because if you try to, in the age of anxiety, if you try to get somebody, which is almost everybody who’s stressed out, you know, to sit down, sit still, and don’t think about for the next 20 minutes, you’re going to be more stressed out the fact that you can’t do it. So and what are you trying to do in meditation, you’re trying to take all these 55,000 thoughts that you had during the day, and you’re trying to calm them into the from the frantic ocean into a calm you know, peaceful Lake without a ripple in it. Cool. If you can do that by praise you great job. Now breath work, you take in this crazy, you know, thoughts, and every going through your head, and you stop breathing and you’re pushing them out of your energy field, instead of waiting for them to settle. You’re literally taking an action which is great for OCD people, you know, all these like overachievers, and people who can’t focus and your ATD ADHD like those people breathwork is great. Because you give you some self something to do. And you just pre Breathe, breathe, and you push those thoughts out. And that clears away a lot of the the anxiousness that people have. And then a lot of the things that have been trapped in the body because the issues are in the tissues that does traumas we store them in the body. And when you start to clear that stuff out, which is causing a lot of the anxiety, it’s all it’s all connected. And you know, I see people, you know, completely eradicate, you know, their their anxiety or panic attacks, you know, from breathwork. And I was, you know, I was one of them. This is why this is why I’m here. Yes.

Brandon Handley 34:37
I mean, it’s all part of what you do. I know you shared on another show the straw method. What’s another one that you like, for somebody that’s anxious or maybe just trying to get a little bit of focus on the day?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 34:50
You know what the one that I like, is that sounds stupid to everyone but it’s actually my favorite is the sigh it’s the most over Like underrated, you know, a tool is because if you’re just in the insane your car, you just take a deep breath, right? And just let out this loud obnoxious sigh. And you do that, like, let’s say three times in a row, your energy state is going to change. Because you have to look at the body like, why does the because we side naturally, you know, why does the body sign naturally, when we sign naturally, it’s to relieve pain. And stress from the body it releases is the pressure valve to release pain and stress, have you experienced something really stressful the body. When it’s all done, it’s like the pressure valve. So release. Now, if you can consciously do the psi, and utilize that pressure valve release, it’s like you’re gonna change your state throughout the entire day, just by doing that one breathing exercise every single day through three sides at a time, three times throughout the day, nine sides a day, and you will notice a difference.

Brandon Handley 36:04
That’s perfect. Because it doesn’t take a long time. No, it’s not hard to remember. And and, you know, you can do it just about anywhere, right in between. I know, for myself on my day job, right? I mean, I’ve got today for mattify as on calls from 10am to 6pm. Right, back to back. All right, but there was enough time in there for me to make a bagel sandwich. And I could have also, you know, side three times if I needed to, right. So I could have, you know, just kind of brought myself back to just like, just a couple of times, I’m sure that like I might have done it on calls. And that might not that yeah, that’s not cool. So make sure you get an in between calls. So I think that that’s, you know, that’s really practical, something you can apply, like, anywhere, anytime. So thanks for sharing that. You know, again, a big part of this, too, is like, you know, we talked about, you know, pulling all the spiritual stuff and and integrating it right, I talked me a little bit about your practice on how you, you’ve been able to do that for yourself.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 37:07
I truly feel that integration is the name of the game. And being able to integrate is the game. Like ultimately, if you look at like, let’s say the most spiritual people to ever walk the earth, you know, you call them avatar masters, you know, enlightened avatar masters, you know? And what are these people do? Right? Oh, let’s start with an ego Why didn’t they ever have Native Americans love the eagle as a powerful Totem because it can fly superduper high. And what that represents is the ability to go up in the higher esoteric metaphysical realms and, and see life from a higher vantage point, higher consciousness, and then also that animal that can fly higher than most birds, it can land the ground, and walk the ground with the creepy crawlers. You know, and that is the integration that is, you know, the avatar, what do they do, you know, they, they get enlightened, you know, they ascend, you know, and they can, you know, they can ascend to heaven, they get all this information of you know, who they are, they don’t have to come back. And when they choose to come back and embody in physical form, you know, that’s truly where they’re, where their power is to take that higher knowledge and integrate it into, you know, physical form and deliver it in a way where the people can understand, because you don’t have to talk circles around people, you don’t have to act super smart, like look at all the parables and, you know, the metaphors, the simple ones, you know, that Jesus and Buddha used, and as they’re around now, because they’re so simple, you know, it’s because people can understand them, people can relate to them, but they went all the way to those, those higher planes, but they were able to integrate, integrate that knowledge back into, you know, this 3d 3d form. And that’s the value that I see around integration. So like, you know, how do I personally, you know, integrate a lot of things I think I do, kind of like, naturally that I don’t even, you know, realize, you know, my daily practices, you know, are the breath works, you know, that that’s the, you know, that’s what kind of brings me up, but it also grounds you, when you start breathing into the belly as well, it does be grounded to the earth. There’s things I do outside, I go outside and barefoot on the grass, and I put my feet in there, you know, and I just ground myself I connect to the, to the light in the in earth, a lot of people, you know, they know we have the sun, but they don’t know that there’s a light in the center of the earth. And I connect to that light and that helps ground me, you know, to Earth consciousness because I used to just focus on like, Oh, you know, I can open my crown chakra I could open my third eye chakra I need these spiritual gifts, you know, and you just focus on all the Shockers and like, I realized that’s not what the power is. It’s like when you want to manifest, you can’t manifest unless your root chakra is grounded. And this is why you see these all these spiritual people they say, you know, they’re all in the heart and they like lie in love and you know, the third eyes open but You’re broke. And the reason why they’re broke is because their root chakra, they can’t manifest they’re not connected to the earth. Well,

Brandon Handley 40:09
I mean, I think I think it’s a number of things, right? Like, it’s not being grounded, right, just like you’re saying, right now. It’s not being grounded and just just not not integrating, right? Yeah, they’ve gone up. But then you come back now,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 40:25
yeah, you gotta come back down and get back down to everyday life. And you know, what part of that is being human. And, you know, I know you meet some people, and they get a spiritual stick shoved up their ass. You know, and I never wanted to be the that person and even like, the work that I do, and I’m teaching, I’m on stage, and you know, I never want to be put on a pedestal. You know, and the reason why I do is because, well, first of all, there’s only one way to go from there. That’s down. And, you know, I feel like I make a practice of myself of I won’t say humiliation, because I don’t I don’t like that. humility, humility, humble, I’ll say I’ll say, transparent, you know, I just try to keep it real. I try to show people, my, my humanity, you know, at all times, and you know, I take this facade of like, Oh, you think I’m this, you know, I’m human. I’m just as messed up as you are, right now. And when I do that, it makes me human. But yet, I’m still I still have all the gifts and all the research and all the things that I’m doing to get me up there and let the shoppers but i don’t i never think I’m better than anybody. And I don’t think anyone’s better than me. You know, I just kind of stay in this place of neutrality. And I think that is that is the Yin Yang. That’s the place that you want to be, you know, between, you know, the five, you know, the five D and the 3d, you just stay stay neutral, stay grounded, stay present, and stay real.

Brandon Handley 41:53
Right? Yeah, no, I mean, look, have you seen the website yet? Right. But I mean, it really, it says that, right? It’s like, you know, don’t come at me with your patchouli, your sandals and your wooden beads were cool. You know, because there’s, there’s other things going on. And that’s that, that crowd, you know, I say that crowd, you know, I’m not trying to say that, that we don’t need them or that or this. But it can also happen in another way. Right? Like you and I are talking about right now just kind of like there’s a grittiness to spirituality and life, there’s a reality to it. And, you know, kind of not forgetting where you came from, right? And everybody, you know, the person behind you could be, you know, more advanced and a different state that you don’t recognize, and since you can’t recognize that you don’t think they’re advanced, but they’re like, way beyond you, right? And you like, you know, they like No, man, you gotta eat kale or whatever type of thing. So, so, you know, I get it. So one other question too, as we kind of wind this down, I know that, you know, you were showing me your, your drink that your daughter brought him? How is a? How are you sharing this? As a father, you know, as a parent, your children?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 43:05
Yeah, you know, um, so, you know, I’m a single father and my daughter’s 14 now, and I will say, because, I think because the chunk of my greatest awakening when I was kind of like obsessed was when she was really young. So she actually grew up around crystals and sage smoke interface, you know, and, believe it or not, she, you know, she has her own connection to angels. And, you know, I used to ask her for like, advice, like, kind of just, like, kind of desperate. And she would give me the best advice that I’ve ever got. And then she’s like, literally, when I started asking her, then she’d be like, okay, I can ask her something, and she closed her eyes. She’d look up, and she’d get the information and she’d come back. And she would say some things that was way beyond her years. And I was like, Whoa, this girl’s like channeling some some good stuff. So I kind of had my secret weapon here, you know, the entire time. And to shoot, you know, it’s been a blessing to be be able to raise her that

Brandon Handley 44:08
frickin mute button. So, the, what’s cool about that is, you know, like, You’re, you’re not, you’re not helping, you’re not diminishing her gifts. Right? I you know, I think, I think you probably agree that what you and I have gone through an awakening process is more or less coming back to ourselves, right? Whereas, you know, we weren’t shown who you were or allowed to be ourselves growing up, right? Like, Hey, shut up, be quiet. You know, don’t do this. Don’t do that. And oh my god, you stop dancing like that, or whatever, right? You know, or you can’t think this and you can’t say those types of things. So what you’re doing though, is you’re saying Alright, look, come out with your angel stuff. I mean, we’ve all got something right. What’s yours and we Got a connection? How’s it going to express itself? And that’s how she’s expressing her connection to the divine. Right. And, and your instead of you saying, You better not tell anybody about that. You maybe do, right. But like, at least you’ve got an open dialogue between the two of you with that, right. And I think that that’s really important. That’s awesome that you’re doing that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 45:19
Yeah, man, it’s great. You know, and a lot of the things like, should give me advice on business. And, you know, she told my one of my buddies, would I do book signings, she would come in, she’d set up a little table, and she’d say, $5 for reading, she’s got a good making, making money and like, eggs is totally cool. But you told one of my buddies, he need more confidence, you have lack of confidence. And the girl you’re with, she’s no good. And he’s looking at me like, dude, I wasn’t ready for that. I talked to him the other day. And he was like, dude, man, your daughter blew me away that day. She was so right. And you know, he, he never forgot that he used that to, to help him. You know,

Brandon Handley 45:56
nice, man. That’s cool. Very cool. So man. So the latest book is called,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:01
The latest book is called breathwork. detox, how to thrive in the age of anxiety.

Brandon Handley 46:07
And your book prior to that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:10
The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret?

Brandon Handley 46:13
Yeah, and where can I get those?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:14
Those are both on Amazon. So you can go on Amazon, you can. The first one has an audible, they both have Kindles, and they both have paperbacks. Who is your ideal client? My ideal client? Great question. my avatar, let’s say I, you know, I, I love people who are skeptical at first. And then they come in and their world gets rocked, you know, they heal. And, you know, then they they’re fully committed there they awaken, you know, and then they start to step into their power. And, you know, then they start to, you know, do what I do, whether it’s you know, you know, teacher trainings, or, you know, writing their own book and telling their own story and all the things that they always wanted to do, but never thought that knew anyone would listen or everyone anyone cared. I just like empowering people.

Brandon Handley 47:14
Perfect, man and then the website and where can they reach you?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:17
So they go my website man from the stars.com or they can go to my Instagram, which is man from the stars, and I’m pretty active on it. So you can send me a DM and, you know, hopefully, I can get to it.

Brandon Handley 47:34
Awesome. Paris. Thanks for stopping on spiritual dope today.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:37
Thank you so much great for having me. And yeah, that website is awesome that you have and I was

Unknown Speaker 47:41
looking forward to this

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever thought that something is missing in your life? Do you feel that you’re not quite alive with what you’re doing? You’re not alone, but it can certainly feel like you are. People like living and showing things they’re proud of and hiding away their shame, hurt, and frustrations. Choose the brighter and positive things to be happy, right?

But, here’s the hard truth: you need to accept everything about yourself, even the parts that you despise.

In this episode, we are joined by Deb Levine to talk about her journey into mediumship. She shares that when people are faced with messages from the Spirit World, they can discover their true, authentic selves. Deb also shares the importance of finding and reconnecting with your higher self.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about mediumship and how to live your authentic self!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways mediums work and how they can help people discover their truths.
  2. Discover the importance of trusting yourself and living authentically.
  3. Learn how we’re all connected and how you can be a source of good to others.

Resources

Episode Highlights

[02:19] Learn to Trust Yourself

  • Trust your soul because you won’t be able to get guidance and answers from anything external. 
  • Deb shares that her journey of self-trust is still ongoing. It’s a long journey and a process of continuous discovery. 
  • There are traits that we are proud of and some we are ashamed of. We need to learn to embrace our duality to become our true, authentic selves. 
  • Remember, you may be the problem, but you are also the solution.

[07:08] Deb’s Work as a Medium

  • Every medium works with energy, but mediums don’t work in the same way. 
  • Some mediums will be very factual, while some work intuitively. 
  • Deb shares that her work is more intuitive and helps people dig deep into their subconscious. 
  • Deb emphasizes that she does not heal people; she just guides them. 
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the intricacies of Deb’s Mediumship. 

[15:33] The Shift to Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her method is rooted in how she dealt with her anxiety and stress.
  • Before mediumship, Deb used to be in advertising and public relations. However, she jumped from job to job because nothing stuck with her. 
  • All she knew is that she wanted to help others, and her strength was relating to people. 
  • If you’re feeling a bit lost in life, be inspired by Deb’s journey to finding her true calling in the entire episode. 

[22:10] Managing Emotions and Energy

  • Deb shares that when she was younger, she felt many emotions and seemed to absorb energy from others. 
  • Eventually, this manifested as anxiety and ADHD in her life. 
  • Deb needed to learn how to grab hold of her energy and redirect it. 
  • Wanting to silence the noise and energy, Deb used to look for external sources like food and sweets. 
  • Tune in to the full episode to listen to Deb’s experiences and how she eventually learned to manage her energy. 

[38:17] Live Your Authentic Truth

  • For Deb, mediumship is a way of living her authentic truth. 
  • You don’t have to be something to be enough. You just need to live your highest self. 
  • Living your authentic truth may sound cliche, but you need to understand this on a deeper level. 
  • You also can’t help someone else be their authentic self. Their truth is theirs alone.

[42.49] Insights Into Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her job is not to impose anything on anyone. Her work is about being where her client is. 
  • Mediumship is not about the medium but the connection to the client. 
  • Deb can help people discover their truths by using the knowledge of the Spirit World. 
  • The experience is all about healing and hope. It’s not dark or fearful.  
  • We all have a connection to our higher selves; we just need to ignite it. 

[47:08] Be a Ripple of Goodness

  • Understand that we don’t live in isolation; we are all connected. 
  • People have their unique gifts, and that does not make them better than anyone else. 
  • Use your greatest gift to live authentically and passionately. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“The most important thing when I say to trust yourself, it’s really to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external.”

“The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self-development journey. It’s always changing.”

”Mediumship is not spirit communication or just intuitive mediumship; [it] is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life.”

“A mediumship session is not just spirit communication, but it can be. The medium has no control over the Spirit World, [which] knows what my client needs. It’s only going to be hopeful, helpful, or healing; there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful.”

“We’re all extensions of one another.  We really can support one another and be each other’s cheerleaders. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry is calling, there’s not one more special than the other.”

About Deb

Deb Levine is a medium and intuitive who connects with loved ones who have passed. Through her gift, she brings hopeful, helpful, and healing messages from the Spirit World to the physical world. She offers mediumship sessions through her website. This can include communicating with loved ones in Spirit or helping you gain insight on your past or current issues. 

Before her mediumship, Deb used to feel aimless jumping from job to job. Her previous works were not fulfilling, especially since she knew what she wanted to do: help people. Throughout adulthood, her gifts continued to unfold and appear in her life until she had no choice but to accept them.

You can reach out to Deb on Instagram, Facebook, or through email.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. We are on today with my friend, Deb Razar. And Deb, I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this, but um, you’re one of the main reasons actually, that I am doing this podcast, you were a kind of a catalyst for, you know, help me get the leap into spiritual dope, I’m just gonna let you know that just by doing kind of what you did, I said, that was a friend of mags from way back in the day, like childhood days, she’s an evidential, medium, and intuitive. She, you know, she helps people kind of like, connect with their loved ones who have passed. And I’m just kind of reading your bio off right now. And you know, you know, your calling is to serve the spirit world while bringing hopeful, helpful and healing messages. To me, you, your loved ones in the physical world. No, but your medium, right. And like it took you a while to just kind of accept your gifts. Right? And, you know, when you would share this coming out letter magazine, or virtually coming out letter, what’s this going to be about?

Deb Levine 1:09
Well, she told me what she thought it was about.

Unknown Speaker 1:11
Now, it’s not that

Deb Levine 1:13
there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s not bad,

Brandon Handley 1:15
per se. So this coming out letter was like, you know, I’m a medium coming out letter. And I thought that was a I thought that was kind of an entertaining thing. And then you had given me a reading that connected me with my grandfather. And, you know, the catalyst, just just so you know. He knows like, Yeah, I was like, well, you’re kind of like stepping out and doing this thing. And I was like, What the hell am I holding myself back for? Right? I was like, I was like, the time is now. And, you know, just kind of stepping into it. So you know, I want a quick, I’m gonna start this off with a thank you, you know, for helping be the catalyst inspiration and a part of the journey. So thank you,

Deb Razar 1:51
You’re quite welcome. Happy I could be a part of that.

Brandon Handley 1:54
And, and then I always start us off with something, this would be an easy one for you. I always start these off with, you know, source, as you know, divine energy speaks through us, right. And we are here to get today to speak to somebody who’s listening in on this podcast, right? And there’s a there’s a message that can only be delivered right now, through you to that person, what is that message today?

Deb Razar 2:19
The biggest, the first thing that comes to me is to really trust in yourself. If you don’t, first and foremost trust in yourself, especially in the field that I hate saying the field that I’m in, but with what I do, it’s impossible for me to trust in what I’m, you know, hearing subjectively, from the spirit world. And the most important thing, when I say to trust yourself, it’s to really, you know, they say there’s intuition, gut instinct, but it’s really to trust your soul to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external. It’s not going to come from anybody else, you can ask for 50 opinions from 50 friends and family members. And really, ultimately, what matters is that you trust what your soul is telling you. That’s probably my biggest message.

Brandon Handley 3:06
So where do you feel like you You? First, finally learned to trust that for yourself?

Deb Levine 3:14
Well, it was definitely not an overnight thing, as I’m sure you know, because I know that you’ve done a lot of, I call it self development work. And I think we’re all works in progress. And I’m not done, I’ll never be done. I mean, until the day I physically leave this earth. But this was a long journey. For me, really, I say, on my website, sort of back to myself. Because the way I’m living now is very true to me, and very authentically, but it wasn’t always like that. So I think it was a process of really coming. I don’t I would say, coming to terms with but understanding that there’s a real duality to me to each of us. And there’s, you know, there are a lot of things that we don’t particularly care about ourselves, we, you know, traits that, Oh, I wish I wasn’t so stubborn, or I wish I wasn’t so, so messy in my case. And there were these qualities that I have that I would really shame myself for a variety of things you would a podcast isn’t long enough for me to tell you what I used to shame myself for. And then they’re there. The other part of that duality are the things that I’m proud of the parts of my personality that that I really feel good about that the things that I’m not afraid for others to see. I feel like a lot of us walk around and, and we show one side of us, we show the side that we think is safe, because we all just want to be seen. But yet if you think about it, we’re not truly being seen if we don’t really show who we are at the soul level, so I can show you something and make myself look good. And yeah, look at my kids. They’re all perfectly dressed. And my house is so neat, which it’s not this is just an example, but that may be what I’m presenting, but that may not be what is authentically me. And that was my that was my journey. If you will, that I needed to reconcile the fact that there were all these things that I really wasn’t happy with with myself. And instead of complaining about it, and or shaming myself about it, I realized I was the problem, but I was also the solution. And so in order to do something about it, I had to take that journey inward, which no one likes to do, because it is quite honestly the most uncomfortable journey ever. And that’s the journey back into ourselves. And it sounds super cheesy, but it’s, it’s really the truth, I had to come back to myself. And sort of, it’s almost like, if you picture like a big toy box, you open a toy box, and you kind of take everything out, you want to see what’s in there, I had to kind of assess and look at everything and say, Okay, these are the things that really aren’t working for me, or these are the things that, you know, they’re just sort of inherently a part of my nature. And I’m not in love with him. And I don’t love other people seeing them. But it was a matter of really accepting those things about myself forgiving myself for the things that the things that I wasn’t super jazzed about, but also realizing that all of those things that were more, I call them the shadow side. They were also there to teach me a lot of great lessons. And without them, you know, I wouldn’t really be able to focus on the light those qualities that were really helping me be my best self, they have to coexist, they can’t be mutually exclusive, because that is what makes up is my perspective only but that’s what makes up the soul. Both of those the balance that duality. And so that was my,

Brandon Handley 6:38
yeah, I’m with you. Right, the so I’ve got that jotted down for one second. You know what, I think that I don’t do the best job of this part. Right? Let’s let’s do let’s do a real quick from your from your mouth, right? Like you’re doing a medium, you are medium. Now, I’m a little bit more about kind of what you’re doing in this space, right, just so people kind of get an idea of your spiritual journey and spot right now.

Deb Levine 7:08
Well, thank you for asking that. Because I think a lot of people and as you said, I’m a medium I I’m able to connect with people that have passed, is that the only thing I do not remotely, in fact, it’s a very tiny part of what my mediumship is. Now, if you have 10 different mediums on your podcast, we are not all going to work the same way. Now what we what we all will work with is energy, every medium will tell you that. However, there are mediums that will be very, very factual, they’ll be able to sit and I’ll be able to tell you things about your grandfather, they’ll name 30 facts, you know, he was an atheist, and he you know, worked in a in a shipyard and all these things and, and that is to prove that that life exists once the there is the death of the physical body. So am I able to provide evidence that our loved ones still exist? past the death of the physical body? Yes, I am. But what my sessions are really about I had one client tell me it was almost like I held a mirror to her soul. I was like, Wow, that’s really deep. I almost call it like a very gentle soul excavation, if you will. Because what I’m doing is I work intuitively, if as much if not more, so then I’m working with spirit loved ones. And this has probably changed a lot. And I don’t I can’t remember our reading to be quite honest. But I feel like there may have been a mix, but now it’s even more. So when I’m reading a client intuitively, I’m telling them about their personality and things about their life. Yeah, you could say well, why would someone want to pay to be told things they already know about themselves. But that’s just how we start then we go deeper. And and I like to say I am not a fortune teller. I do not predict anyone’s future. That’s not what any medium really should be doing ethically and morally, we don’t know what holds for people’s future because there is freewill. You have the choice to make about your own life. But what I am able to do is to go deeper beneath your subconscious and sort of when I say excavate, gently pull out things that you are aware of, on some level, but on a deeper soul level when I’m showing them to you when I’m holding up that mirror. It’s taken in a much different way. I’m almost I’m I feel like a session with me can help bring someone back to themselves. I’m not doing any healing. I’m not healing people. I’m not you know, waving some kind of crystal wand. That’s that’s not my job. That’s not what I do. But with the spirit world facilitating with loved ones in spirit shining in now I talk about the loved ones personalities and the relationship between them and my client. And the healing that can take place when dad in spirit is talking about his personality and maybe challenges that he had when he was alive in the physical world. And dad son is facing something similar. It’s almost like this light bulb goes off that the messages that the loved ones in spirit are bringing to my client are those in that moment that are meant for my clients greatest good and soul’s highest purpose. And there’s a lot of growth and a lot of shift that can happen. It’s also I have on my website, I will not see clients unless there’s been six months in between each reading. Because look just like when you go to therapy, you’re not going to change overnight. I’m not a therapist, I’m not certified in any of that kind of thing. But even with a with a with a session with a medium like myself, what I’m presenting you is going to sit with you for a bit, and it’s going to cause you to sort of, you know, there’s a lot of self reflection that happens afterwards, there’s a lot of there is a lot of healing that can take place. But the healing is on the part of my client, I can’t do that work for someone. And maybe the client says, alright, well, that was okay. I’ll just take that for what it’s worth. And, and I may never hear from them again, I tend to have a lot of repeat clients. After six months, I always say six months to a year. And I just had I can think of three women I’ve had over the past week and a half. When they came on the screen on the zoom screen there, I could feel their energy had changed so much, it’s the best feeling for what I do, because I get so excited for them. Just the wholeness that I felt from them the shift, what they were emanating, I could feel that. And that’s the power of the work that that I have been called to do. And that I feel so grateful to do because the change that really can occur, it’s almost like I was given this blessing of having this torch, and we all have torches, right but some of us our lights gone dim a little bit, some of us the lights gone out, if I can just assist and help someone like their torch, it’s their job to keep that torch going, it’s not going to be my job. But the fact that I can help light someone back up again, there’s nothing greater to be able to offer to people. So that’s kind of in a long way. That’s kind of what I do at spirit communication. It’s intuitive work, it’s all combined to help my client get to a deeper part of themselves. Really.

Brandon Handley 12:10
Wow, that’s awesome, right? It’s kind of interesting, right? You said you started off with you know, how every medium is a little bit different. And in the image that came to my mind is you know, you just simply different lenses, right, simply different lenses, different perspectives different, you know, I’m thinking of like crystals and prisms even like different ways of refracting that energy. Right? So different way different ways of kind of refracting that love to the, you know, a mirror to the soul. And I think that that’s, you know, I don’t I don’t the term lightworkers not not my jam, but I guess this as close as I can get right.

Deb Razar 12:46
I don’t use the term either. But I yeah,

Brandon Handley 12:48
does that mean you know when you’re just kind of in circles and everybody’s you know, doing something similar as we are we’re you know, you are showing someone the light within them right themselves and helping to extract that and

Deb Levine 13:01
everybody has it. And I believe me, I know from experience, there are times when it is so hard to find that within yourself I have the reason I this all came smack dab in my face there were there were always I mean, this is who I’ve been since I’ve been a little kid. But the reason that this came out, as it did was because of the the difficulties that I had in the work I was doing with myself that there were serious anxiety and stresses and, and that brought me to where I am currently.

Brandon Handley 13:34
I think what’s interesting, too, right? A big part of what you’re talking about is, you know, you you you shoved your light down for so long, right and you you shoved your own light down so long. And then you talk about doing this shadow Shadow Work. And what’s funny is the more the more I think about the Disney Peter Pan, you know, the more the more I realized that like you know, you know how we lost a shadow. And then so back on like, I’m like, oh, wow, that was pretty potent stuff. Yeah. All right. But the idea of going back in and and accepting all of who you are, allows you to bring that authentic self that you’re talking about come out and share exactly who you are with everybody else and just kind of like it’s a it’s a more powerful but gentler way of being I would agree right? Um, and I also love the idea of like you know, once one you know so one session with you is basically a six month to a year value, right? It’s kind of I mean, you know, you know it to spend like you know value into that but that’s kind of what it is and then you bring it you know how and that’s how we open it up right like you helped me kind of bring me back to myself through the connection with my kind of grandfather and and by showing that like you know, you can just stop into who you are, and just go do your hell with it. I mean, what’s gonna happen? Right, exactly right. Yeah. And so you know, lots of stuff packed in there. And then you talk about, like, you know, the shift in energy. But I’d like to hear you kind of, again, where? Before you were doing media, and I don’t actually, I actually don’t know. So before you were doing medium work, what kind of work were you doing, like what was, you know, kind of paint the picture before stepping into that, and then illustrate maybe your shift and acceptance of who you are.

Deb Levine 15:32
Okay. So before all this, I mean, and I still am, I, I’m a mom. And I used to say, I’m just a mom. And now I’ve scribbled that word, just out with black sharpie, because that is, you know, from from parenting there, there’s never it’s not just a mom or just a dad, even I mean, it’s a parenting is, you know, and, and I parent with my full self, and I try to be as present as I can with my kids. My background, and where Meg and I went to college. My background is in advertising and public relations, I was always into creative writing, I really thought it’d be cool to be the next Amanda Woodward. Because you know, we were all into Melrose Place back then not that that’ll date me. But that was not a really practical thing, because you had to, you know, move to New York or LA, which I wasn’t prepared to do at the time. So I fled my East Coast roots and and came out to Arizona, and I ended up working in radio for about four and a half years. And I was on the sales side of things. So I was in advertising technically, but I was on the sales side of things. And my managers, this is funny, I two nicknames I was called at this is great at 23. Everyone would love to be called This Old Mother Hubbard. And I was called everyone’s conscience. I didn’t know whether or not to take that as an insult or a compliment. It’s just kind of funny. Now looking back on what I do, there was there was a lot of CD stuff happening in radio, a lot of my older men cheating. And it was just it was icky. And so here I was the young one in the group, I was one of the youngest. And they thought of me as their conscience, which I laugh now it sort of makes sense a bit. Not that I was an angel by any means. But it’s just kind of funny thinking about that. And then, you know, I wasn’t happy with what I did. In fact, I was I was the George Costanza of my office, my sister used to crack up because I would act all stress, and I have these deadlines, but I was really going into the coffee room because there was a copy room then. And I was photocopying off of the internet recipes from Epicurious and food.com. I kid you not when I was done in radio, I hope my bosses are my own bosses aren’t listening to this. I probably had a binder this thick. I’ve always been a cook and a baker. And baking has always been a passion. So I left radio and I went to Baking and Pastry school for a year I worked for a wholesale bakery. Then I started working for Jenny Craig, which everyone cracks up like, okay, at first, I’m making the baked goods and I’m helping people lose the weight. The takeaway from this is that I had no idea what I wanted to do. I had friends, childhood friends, people make nose, they were all successful. They worked for wall street, and they were pharmaceutical sales reps and occupational therapists, and they had these big jobs. And they made these big salaries. And I was going from job to job to job and I remember saying to my parents, I just don’t want to work at a desk in an office. And my dad said, what does that mean? You want to be a plumber? And I’m like, No, I just I want to help people. And I just want to do something that feels good. And you know, I was just like living on another planet. I had no attention span for anything. Every job I was bored, instantly. pastry school I loved but I didn’t love baking for somebody else. And right at the end of my reign at Jenny Craig, I was I was a program director, I did sales, I love the emotional part of that I dealt with, you know, I was overweight on and off throughout my life. So to work with people like that one on one, it really it felt like I was giving back in some way. And then at the end of that I quit a week before I had my daughter, and I haven’t been back in the quote unquote, workforce, the real workforce. Um, you know, I started working for myself. So

what I realized was, I was floating around because nothing stuck with me. And you know, like a lot of people do. That doesn’t mean that everybody’s a medium because you can’t find what you want. But I just knew that I wasn’t the kind of person that cared a lot about making money, and I wish I had been is maybe I would have, you know, found some big career and stuck with it. But I always I just want to do something that you know, where I feel good about what I do, where I feel like it’s really making a difference. And you know, it’s so cheesy to say that because so many people say and I was young when I said it, but I would get into something. In radio, for example, they gave me the difficult clients, the ones that had were going through divorce, the ones that someone had died, I made the least amount of money I was the least paying sales rep and some of these sales reps made well into the six figures. I was making nothing but I’ve been on the phone for hours with my clients and oh, they’re breaking up with the boyfriend. They’re going to talk to Deb and we’ll get another deal out of it because they trusted me My strength I suck at sales. I hate asking people for money. It’s so uncomfortable for me. But what I don’t second is relating to people. I’ve always always always related with people my first job when I moved to Arizona three weeks I work for enterprise rent a car. Sorry, enterprise rent a car. crappiest job I’ve ever had will pick you up. You know, that was the phrase. And here I am. It’s 115 in Arizona. If forget about the dry heat, it’s freaking hot. And I’m wearing I had to wear a suit with pantyhose. No laughs It was so awful. I was sweating. But the people I picked up by the end, they became my friends to the point where after three weeks, the last lady I picked up. She said, You’re here this dynamic personality, what are you doing driving for enterprise, she said, We need someone in our events marketing. Here’s my card, call me I’m gonna get you an interview. And I thought, well, she’s not going to remember she did. And a week later, I was working for her company as an event planner. So I just kept jumping job to job to job The only thing consistent was that I love relating to people. I’ve always loved it. So it makes sense. My medium should make sense because not only my relating to my clients, but I’m also relating to their loved ones in spirit who are still people just people not in the physical sense. So they have stories to tell. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Not non corporeal presence, right? Yeah. Yeah. So So. Right, I love I love that, you know, kind of hopping around, nothing kind of fits. I love the idea of the and I love cooking too. And here’s how I relate to kind of being in the kitchen. You’re, you’re connected to like a creative source. And that’s for sure you’re in the creation process during Yeah, so you’re, you’re, you have to be all in. Yeah, when you’re cooking, because otherwise it falls apart. Right. So you have to pay attention. That’s one of the things I haven’t cooked in a while. And I’ve kind of missed that, because of that. So, you know, when is the point where, you know, accept the shift into your medium, ship your gifts and say, You know what, it’s now’s the time to make a go of this thing.

Deb Levine 22:10
You know, it was kind of like the I often I think a lot of people have to get to what, you know, they call it the dark night of the soul. It’s so dramatic. But I never know what that meant, until I really felt like I was there. And I say that, obviously, with the caveat that that’s different for everyone. I mean, there are people that have really lived through severe tragedy. I have not lived through any kind of tragedy like that. But for my own world, what I was dealing with my anxiety, which I’ve had since I was a little kid, which what’s fascinating is and all of these mediumship courses and workshops and and groups that I’m I’ve been in and still a part of, I don’t know that I’ve met one medium that has not had anxiety or or does not have, you know, chronic anxiety. Whether it’s social anxiety, whether it’s because when you’re feeling all of the emotions, and you have other people and what I didn’t know how to deal with energy. At that time, I didn’t know that I didn’t need to take on everyone’s energy that was around me in a room. And why was I feeling so sad? Why am I depressed? I didn’t realize that I was picking that up from, you know, someone in my college class that I was sitting next to all the time. I didn’t have knowledge of that then. But what happened was, it really all came to a head for me when my grandmother who was one of my dearest friends, she died at 102. And I felt her Well, I mean, there were a lot of things that have been building up to it. But my anxiety had taken on legs right around the time when she died. And after she died. It was to the point where it didn’t just feel like regular anxiety anymore. So I’ve been in and out of therapy for years. Just you know, because it’s been very helpful. I’ve had a sister that’s been ill. So I was always in therapy for one thing or another. And my therapist who I really love and trust, my anxiety was just an awesome I remember her telling me She’s like, yep, I was like, there’s a mile a minute and she’s like, just take a pause and breathe. And she made me take a couple breaths just to kind of slow down and she said while I’m breathing, she’s running around behind me and her filing cabinet and she pulls out this like pamphlet of paper stapled in the corner. And she hands it to me and she starts talking and I’m not really listening to her because I can never do two things at once and this kind of explained why and I’m going through it I didn’t even read the top I just there were all these questions and asked you to rate yourself on a zero meaning on the low end to a to attend. And everything was an eight or a nine there. Oh, I can’t I can’t remember I’m having a heart You know, having a hard time finishing a project or getting sidetracked very easily like it when someone’s talking to you not being able to focus or or becoming too focused spending too much time on one thing. And I’m like, Well, I’m like, Why are you giving me and we know I have anxiety? And and then she said, That’s not an assessment for anxiety. It’s an assessment for ADHD. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 25:11
What are you talking about? Well is

Deb Levine 25:12
ADHD? I mean, I would have like that’s something that kids have, you know, when it well come to find out that one of the most Miss diagnosed group of people with ADHD are women in their mid 40s. Because what happens is forgetfulness, that was nothing like memory, that can be hormones, you know, perimenopausal which I am not sorry for the TMI, but it can be hormones, it can be all these things. And interestingly enough, anxiety is a, what’s the word I want? is a culprit if you will have ADHD. So it’s almost like what comes first the chicken or the egg, the anxiety happens because of the attention deficit, hyper focus disorder. So in children, that h is hyperactive, in adults, it’s height for me, it’s hyper focus. So I was I was going to bed at four o’clock in the morning. Okay, I’m on my laptop, because I’d seen a woman This is a true story with a cute pair of shoes. And I said, Where do you find them? I don’t know. I got them six years ago. Oh, damned if I wasn’t gonna find that pair of shoes. I can tell you. I’m online. I’m gonna find those shoes. Meanwhile, I’ve got the Real Housewives of some city on TV. I’m eating chocolate constantly eating chocolate because I had a problem with sugar. I could not get enough sugar. Well, then it was explained. Of course, you couldn’t get enough sugar, because what your brain is missing is that serotonin release. And that’s what sugar gives you. My other love. In addition to baking and eating chocolate is exercise and fitness. I’ve been into weightlifting. Since I was 17 and intense workouts. I was into CrossFit. All that. Well. That’s another thing that’s going to produce the serotonin and the dopamine release in my brain. So all of a sudden, everything sort of started to make sense. Now, I don’t like to use this as Oh, well, I have ADHD. So my house is a mess. I mean, my house is a mess. And maybe it’s partly my ADHD maybe it’s just because I didn’t feel like cleaning it. But what I want people to know and I was in I think, you know, I was in a documentary on Amazon Prime with with one of my mentors amazing medium Suzanne Wilson. She’s known as the carefree medium

Brandon Handley 27:17
with the documentary.

Deb Levine 27:19
It the series is called life to afterlife by Craig McMahon is the producer. And there’s there’s several in that series and the one I’m in I hate the title, though. Sorry, Craig. It’s really cringy it’s, I want to speak to the dead. It’s a little sensationalized, because it’s not like that the documentary is not like that. I did not set out because I wanted to try to speak to the dead. I couldn’t help it. So I’m just tossing that out there. But

Brandon Handley 27:43
real quick, one of the things that I that I find interesting, right is this relationship to the anxiety and the energy field and the mediums and it’s interesting how you kind of tell tell it is, you know, you weren’t aware of a way to kind of grab hold of the energy, protect yourself and redirect the energy that was coming through you. Right, right. And I hate to do that, but I always liken it to like, these, like old kung fu master flicks, right. You know, or even like, you know, the, you know, you know, the teacher will appear when the student is ready.

Deb Razar 28:18
I love that. I

Brandon Handley 28:18
love that. But it so happens, right? So, so happens, then you My guess is at some point, you know, you run into a teacher, you have some conversations, and you’re like, how do you know so much about what I’m going through? Yep. Tell me exactly. Yeah, tell me.

Deb Levine 28:36
So what I was going to tell you about about the the documentary, The reason I brought it up is because when Suzanne approached me to participate in it, I said to myself, I’m going to do this, but I’m going to make sure that everything I say is my truth. And then I’m completely authentic. Craig did a great job with the with the editing, because on my hands, I’m all over the place that you know, I’m affiliate girl, that’s how we talk with our hands. But I did speak about my ADHD on there, and I would I had some people that’s Oh, you don’t want to divulge that and people are gonna judge you. Number one, I’m not concerned about being judged anymore at all. And that that is a true statement.

Brandon Handley 29:15
And that’s what I mean, right? Like, I mean, how liberating is

Deb Levine 29:18
so liberating. You don’t? I mean, it’s amazing. But more importantly, I needed to speak my truth. Because if one person heard me and felt like this, again, everything I say feel like is so cliche, but if I can help one person, but it’s true, and I’ve actually had so many people reach out to me randomly on Facebook Messenger saying, I really connected to you, because I also you know, I thought that I was just really unmotivated or really lazy or and it doesn’t mean that every person that reached out to me feels like they’re a medium. This is only a part of my own personal journey. But I it upsets me that there is a stigma and for children as well. This is something that never popped up in My, in my childhood, maybe it was there in subtle ways. I mean, I was a good student, but I had to, like I had to be in a room with no noise. Like I had friends who could study with music on and talking, I needed to total quiet otherwise my mind was listening and taking in everything around me. But I also need to express that I don’t define myself like, Oh, I’m an adult with ADHD, it’s one little bit of me and I actually have a mentor that thinks that I really may not have it, that it might be just sort of all the other things in my life that that were were big stressors. And maybe that’s true, too, you know,

Brandon Handley 30:37
so so here’s the thing that, you know, I’ll you know, if you don’t mind, I’ll share my take on this now, right. Like, I mean, we were raised to be distracted. I mean, look at all the different courses, I mean, that we had to take, right look at, you know, the television programming, 20 minute blocks, you know, or 10 to 15 minute blocks, and then, you know, six minutes of 32nd commercials, we were trained to be fucking confused and D rains. Right. And so here’s the result. And, and, you know, so the reason, my reason for saying that, you know, you don’t have an attention to or like you’re hyper active or whatever deficit because that’s, it worked. The training worked, which is which is which is, you know, which brings us back to, you know, reconnecting with yourself, which is what you’ve done,

Deb Levine 31:28
and you literally just touched on something because as you were saying that he like this light bulb bulb went off and it was gonna bring me back around to the point where you use the word distracting, like there have always been so many distractions. And for me, what my distractions were whether they were connected to ADHD or not, I needed at that heightened point of anxiety I needed my distractions where I’ve never been a drinker. It’s chocolate lit like food, it specifically sweets, and I would binge on chocolate, and then I would go into a shame spiral about it. But what the chocolate was doing I was numbing everything I did the online shopping the watching too much reality TV, having it all at once. It was a way to quiet the noise. Now remember, I’m a medium. So there was all this noise, this energy coming from everywhere. Think about it. How is that going to? How is that going to silence it? I didn’t know what I was dealing with. So I use every external source it’s a good thing. I don’t like alcohol and I’ve never been into drugs because I probably would be you know in a right now. I’m not making fun of that. But I’m being serious.

Brandon Handley 32:31
No, that’d be a definitely be. Just another another thing to pile on top. Yeah. Did you ever try a foil helmet?

Deb Razar 32:43
Or being here is

Brandon Handley 32:44
semi facetious, right, like but I mean, if you if you you know the Gerrish I put on like a foil helmet to stop, like, all the noises right now. And when I don’t, okay, you know, like, I mean, honestly, like, I mean, if, like, you know, if, again, if I’m, if I’m having all these things happen, I’m just thinking, like, you know, I could see myself actually doing that at some point, especially like, if all these noises are always coming through, and I don’t have a teacher, I don’t have a guide. We didn’t get that in fifth grade. We got, you know, we got phys ed and other things, but we didn’t, we didn’t we didn’t we didn’t train it, you know,

Deb Razar 33:15
to the disease.

Brandon Handley 33:17
You know, that wasn’t an option. Right. All right. So so i would i would literally probably see myself putting putting try trying it right. How do I how do I quiet it?

Deb Levine 33:26
Well, here’s the thing is that when I say all the noise and the distraction at this particular time, it was I wasn’t hearing from spirit people. I it was, it was the energy, it was the emotion it was I was like a sponge. And it’s a lot to be a sponge for everybody else. And I’ve been this way since I was a little kid, if if someone in my family was having a bad day, I was feeling the bad day, which is probably why I ended up in therapy. Each time my sister had cancer, she never complained. She was a warrior. But I is like, I wanted to take all of that on. And I think in a way energetically I did and and so I was, you know, super, super low. And look, there’s always going to be stuff, there’s always going to be stuff happening around. when I really started hearing from the spirit world when I say that now there are mediums that hear objectively, meaning, you know, oh, I hear voices in my head. I don’t hear voices in my head. Just to clarify, and I’m not saying this to joke because they’re mediums that objectively hear like your grandfather in the spirit world. They might say like, I see your grandfather behind your right shoulder. That is not how it’s come for me. Now. The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self development journey. It’s always changing always. So may I eventually at some point, see someone’s loved one sitting next to them. I may but as of right now, the way I say it is it’s like a picture in my mind’s eye if I asked you right now, to remember your favorite scenes from your favorite movie, and like play it in your mind like it’s a real you could see right you could see the people what they’re doing. You could even hear your favorite line even though you’re not hearing it being played in your ear. So when I explain that I see an eye here that is subjectively, okay, that’s really important. So it wasn’t that I was I was being bombarded by like, Hey, can you get a hold of my nephew? And hey, can you get a hold of my daughter of it? Because that would that would really drive someone crazy probably. And there is a huge stigma that we’re all nuts, right? I mean, it was like, you know, I should have come on with the headscarf and, and the others patolli everywhere around me and I just burned my Sage actually did burn a little sage, I do like sage. And there’s nothing wrong with petroleum headscarves, and all those things. But the point is, and yes, I’m holding a crystal because my holy and crystal grounds me like I tend to be like very up here. And so it grounds me whenever I am, whenever I need to discuss or when I’m in a reading I typically will hold will hold some form of stone. But there is no one size fits all for mediums. I mean, a lot of people think of mediums they think of the Long Island medium, Theresa Caputo, she’s a character with the long nails and she’s got like a stick I call it she got the blonde hair and

Unknown Speaker 36:00
but

Deb Levine 36:00
the sad thing is, that probably detracts from the fact that she really does, you know, hear from people’s loved ones. But there’s not a one size fits all, we don’t all look a certain way, if you saw me on the street, you just feel like, oh, there’s some, you know, middle aged woman with two kids and you know, living her life. It’s not like, you know, my walk around, like with this, and I have, you know, scarves all around me, I just think there, there are lots of stigmas. You know, my add was a soup, I feel like I had to sort of rebel against all the stigmas, if you will, especially now.

Brandon Handley 36:31
Well, I mean, again, you just had to, you had to go in, see who you were for yourself, and make the decision to accept yourself as you are for who you are, and roll with it. Right? Yeah, kind of step into that and, and share yourself with others, which is we know, kind of what you’re doing with the soul wisdom, right on your website is what you’re doing with offering readings. And so that was a big part of this podcast is, you know, talk about, I guess, you know, kind of merging all of who you are your spiritual self with the material world writer, you know, bringing that out, like, I mean, one of the one of the other things that you hit on too is like, you know, we’ve got these two separate selves. And I always think of like, you know, the matrix, right, there’s, you know, Mr. Neo, you one life, you’re blah, blah, blah, this one guy and this other person, and that’s so true. Right? So how do you, you know, how do you feel like you have merged the two? And, you know, what’s your life been like, because of that.

Deb Razar 37:38
So when you say, how have I merged my mediumship? With now that, that it’s a technically a business as well? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:45
sure. Sure. Well, I mean, right. But that’s, but that’s also just, that’s another stigma, right? Like, that’s just something that you don’t want to because you’re like, this is helping people category, right? You don’t want to you don’t want to, like be like, but it is right. It’s just, and it’s just, it’s, again, we wanted to we just want to be ourselves, right? Without, right without classify or label it. But like, exactly those labels, unfortunately, hopefully, other people what. It’s hard, it’s hard to put yourself on the map if you don’t share the map.

Deb Levine 38:17
It’s true. It’s true. And I, I think what had to happen for me was that once I really decided, and it wasn’t choice that I was going to live, to really live my authentic truth in every facet of my life. You know, I have a mentor that says mediumship is not spirit communication, or just intuitive mediumship is, is, is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means being, if, if I really want to do my soul’s work, as a natural medium, I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life. And what I’ve decided to do, again, this is just I’m one person, you could ask 10 different mediums, they’d say different things, I have to show up every day, as myself, again, I said flaws and all that, that whole duality, because what I’m able to do then is is hopefully, especially in a session with me, allow other people to see that it’s okay to show up as yourself. You don’t have to be X, Y or Z to be enough. And again, everything I say is written in every book everywhere. You know, we are enough as we as we are and I you know, I used to hear they go oh yeah, I’m enough as I am, whatever. But if I were only skinnier and apparently had more, you know, this that

Brandon Handley 39:38
shirt No, you’re right, right. It is all in these books. And it is a number of these things. But it’s a it’s a different level of understanding. right there’s, there’s there’s the literal understanding, and there’s the outward facing physical application of this shit, right? You’re like, Oh, I’m enough. Yeah, I showed up for work and I sharpen 72 pencils, whatever. Right, I’m going off gay, but like, you’re the I’m enough is like, you know, that’s the inner work that you’re talking about it most

Deb Razar 40:07
important work,

Brandon Handley 40:08
right? It’s it’s the, you know, the, the, you know, the most neglected. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then and then different levels of understanding, right? Because not for nothing, you know, four years ago, you know, if you’d said that this is what I’d be doing or any of this stuff, I would have laughed at you.

Deb Razar 40:27
Me to me? Yeah, yeah, I get that. So, go ahead. No, I

Brandon Handley 40:32
mean, just I mean, that’s, it sounds cliche, right, only because it’s real, unless you’ve experienced it subjectively, because you cannot, unfortunately, have somebody else’s experiences for them, like you were talking about earlier. You know, you can’t do the work for somebody else. Now. You can’t show up inside of someone else for them.

Deb Levine 40:57
Now, you can. No, but what I think what I think did it for me, you know, when I first like when I could not turn off the gifts when I was getting all this information about people that had passed, for people that I even like sort of knew, but didn’t really No, I mean, it’s it’s funny, and Magnus is, I’ve gotten in touch with some some people that I’ve known since childhood that we’ve known since childhood, because their loved ones came to me and I, I was pretty proud of myself for having the coneys to reach out and say, Look, I know I haven’t seen you in 2030 years. But hey, I’m able to communicate with the dead and I’ve got your wife or your dad or whomever with me, that for me, took not staying small anymore, because oh no, what are they gonna think they’re gonna think I’m weird. I didn’t care. I didn’t care what they thought, because if I knew that their loved ones had an important message for them to receive. Now this is before i was i was i really sort of had honed what I’m doing because there is ethics and morals. Although we don’t take the Hippocratic oath. We don’t. We’re not therapists, we’re not doctors, but it is so critical to have ethics and morals in in what I do. Because people are trusting me. I mean, when you when you have a session with me, it’s almost like I say like, you know, you can try to bullshit your therapist. I’ve tried that once or twice. And we want to sort of show our therapist like the good side, which you can’t get help that way. But still, it’s been done, people kind of try to BS, the therapist, when you’re coming with me, it’s almost like we’re now we’ve now been, it’s like having seen your therapist for seven years. Because all of a sudden Our relationship is like boom, because you can’t, you’re not going to be able to, to show me something that isn’t true, because I am an intuitive. So I’m going to know that it’s not true. Now I also my job is also to tread lightly. If I know that someone, someone can’t take the information that I’m about to give that, or they’re not ready to hear it.

Unknown Speaker 42:48
Hi, buddy.

Deb Levine 42:49
How are you? It’s so good to see you. I got to chat with him after. If I am. My job as the medium is to be able to gauge whether or not my client is really ready for this gentle soul excavation, I will never force on someone shoved that mirror up to your face. That’s the job of the medium. And there can be ego involved. And there is is zero place. I had a mentor say the first two letters and medium don’t belong there. Because this is not about me, this is not like a look at the pony trick I can do. I’m not doing anything I am being I am being my authentic self, the channel, if you will. I’m a conduit as a better word for it. And my job is to be open to not impose any judgment to not impose any meaning. And to listen to what the loved ones in spirit have to say, to make sure that my client receives what they need. When I first started this when I first started my development, I was so excited about my own experience. This is so cool. Oh my god, that guy just told me where his ashes were. And the wife just said, No one knows that. And was I patting myself on the back. But no, but I was like, This is the coolest thing ever. Oh my gosh, how is this happening? But guess what the experience is not for me. It’s not about me, I have nothing to do with this. Once I got over that that initial excitement. It’s why my mediumship changed. It’s why my my sessions are not merely spirit, contact communication, where I’m just giving a lot of evidence. Because what happened was when I really went in and did that soul work on myself, when I really learned to accept being in my truth. I could then accept this the truth of the Spirit people had for their loved ones. And I could help then my client discover if they hadn’t already their own truth. That’s the only way it’s that triad of energy. And that was when it almost came full circle. It wasn’t just like, this is so awesome. I’m talking to people that aren’t alive anymore. But yet I knew all these things. That’s not what this is about. This is so much deeper and there can be so much healing and soul work done. A medium ship session, if your listeners take nothing away, it is not just spirit communication it can be. And if you are, if you have a loved one that you’re really hoping to hear from, I, the medium has no control over that the spirit world knows what my client needs. In that moment, as I said, for their soul’s highest purpose and greatest good, they know, it’s only going to be hopeful, helpful or healing, there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful. I don’t there’s no fear around what I do I have the utmost respect for this

Brandon Handley 45:31
calling, if you will. So I mean, it’s almost not almost I mean, you are tuning into that connection as a medium for your clients to, you know, pull that in through the universe. And, you know, if you’ve got your ego involved with it, there’s it’s almost like you’re attaining the water or near the source, right? And then, as you do this mediumship connecting the source, you know, and and, you know, translating it right into words, for for, for for the person who’s there, your client, essentially, you’re reconnecting them the source, right?

Deb Razar 46:12
It Well, except, if you look at it this way, again, just my perspective. We all have the connection to source because it’s within us, right? Yeah. So if they’ve lost that connection,

Brandon Handley 46:23
it’s kind of like, you know, I don’t know what a jumpstart right for your heart, right?

Deb Razar 46:28
jumper kit, your jumper cables for a car even? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 46:31
yeah, that’s exactly,

Unknown Speaker 46:32
yeah, yeah, your batteries there. It’s just like, drained or neglected, or

Deb Razar 46:36
a great way of putting it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Right. And so that’s, I mean, that’s awesome. Right. And again, the, the, the experience I had with you was, was amazing, always grateful for that. And, you know, I think, you know, I know, I was on my way as I was just doing some things that but I wasn’t doing them in 100% authentic manner, and in a way that I was still masking myself, right, and what you did kind of allow me to just obliterate the mask and say, fuck, let’s go for it. And

Deb Levine 47:08
that’s the greatest thing I could hear, by the way from, from someone that I’ve worked with, because, and I’ve told you this before, because it’s all the ripple, we all have that ability to give back you are doing, you are really doing so much good. You have that energy about you where you’re so curious, you’re just so open you you want people, you want an understanding, and you really get excited, and you want that understanding to be shared among other people. So the fact that I was able to kind of give you that little spark, look what you’re doing now for so many other people. So that’s what I love, we are really all connected. Again, I’m gonna sound super cheesy. But if we can see each other as that we’re all extensions of one another and not look at each other as like, Oh, you have that I want that. And it’s not about that. I mean, we really can be support for one another and be each other’s cheerleader. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry calling, there’s not one more special than the other what gifts someone has, when someone comes to me, if their gift is there, an electrician, and they’re they’re so good at and they’re helping, you know, out here, let me tell you in Arizona, your AC goes out your host in the summer, right, it’s 117 degrees, that someone’s gift, and so long as they’re living authentically, they’re living their truth, they’re passionate about it. If I can help spark that in other people, then as I used to say, like, I just want a job where I can help people that I really feel like I’m getting to live my very fullest life in that sense. And that is, that’s really the greatest gift that I’ve ever been given through all the shitstorm that i’ve you know, kind of had to get past to get to this point. Every bit of it was worth it to be right here.

Brandon Handley 48:47
Well, you know, some people never get to that point, right? It’s not about how long it takes you to get to do get there. Right. And and, you know, Meg and I certainly have the conversations where I believe that more people get there than not it’s just males out there there’s well there’s not an understanding of where they are because of the Western you know, kind of mindset and it’s like oh shit, I’m I’m gonna need like Percocet I’m gonna I’m gonna need a whatever this that whatever’s going on here has got to be shoved right back let’s

Deb Levine 49:19
commit let’s do whatever we can let’s find ways to numb it and to not to feeling the pain no one look it doesn’t feel good to feel pain whether it’s emotional pain or physical pain we all as human beings want that. Whenever pain starts, what can I do to stop it?

Brandon Handley 49:36
Why would you so I mean what I’m looking at those isn’t isn’t pain. It’s that that this reignition of source and energy and feeling it kind of like you were feeling it all coming from everywhere and and not knowing what it is but since you don’t know what it is being fearful of it and trying to block it all out. Right. So yeah, keeping yourself disconnected from source and

Deb Razar 50:00
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:01
Right. But but but simply just because of all the stigmas and all this other stuff anywho that’s not what you do what you do is help people connect to that, which is already there, show them kind of like their own inner hidden city of glory or whatever right and

Deb Razar 50:18
I need you to write my website and

Brandon Handley 50:22
so you know, you help people you map it out or at least you know, show it so that it is possible and you’re doing this on the soul wisdom calm. And then you know, tell us a little bit more at least know what’s offered on the soul wisdom calm and is that the only place they can connect with you? Where should they go if they want to connect with you.

Deb Levine 50:42
It’s vessel ism, th e Sol, s o ul wisdom, calm all one word that is the best place, there’s a way to email me directly from Matt, it has my business number is on there as well. It’s interesting, but as I’ve developed, I’ve whittled down my website was pretty small to begin with. And I’ve whittled it down because I used to have a medium ship offering a mediumship session and an in and an intuitive only session. So if someone was not interested in hearing from loved ones in spirit, they just had like, they’ve got life issues, they’ve got things on their path, they really want to get into the meat of I took that away, because what I realized was, if someone’s coming to work with me, they have to have some sort of trust with me off the bat. as of lately, I mean, I don’t market myself, it’s all been referral. I mean, thanks for the documentary with Suzanne Wilson really was a big help. This I was on your friend, Mona Lauren’s podcast. That was that was a help. But other than that, there’s not really a way that people hear about me. So typically, they’ve heard from a friend or a loved one. So they come with sort of a sense of trust. If they’re coming to me with that sense of trust, they have to trust me, but more so they have to trust the spirit world. Because I my hope is that my clients come the best way to get the most depth out of a session is to come as open as possible. Because if you’re open, then you are going to receive what it is that you need, which I can’t know because I don’t know my clients before I work with them. They’re strangers to me, we leave usually as friends, but they always start out as someone I’ve never met. I don’t like to know anything about the people I work with. If they’re open, now, I just say I offer a mediumship session a mediumship session, which is what I was saying earlier is not just talking to dead people, a mediumship session is talking to the dead but it’s also intuitive information. Is it more one and less of another? It may be we never know because it’s different every time could I call

Brandon Handley 52:36
it like continuation of energy instead of the dead right like I mean yes it’s really I mean it’s not dead

Deb Razar 52:44
Yeah, there is no there there is a there is no Yeah,

Brandon Handley 52:46
yeah so so I mean just energy continuation of my grandfather. Dead does

Deb Levine 52:53
sound It sounds very harsh. There are people that say well, dead is meaning like the physical bodies die but I call I really call them spirit people because their their spirit hasn’t gone anywhere the essence of who they are that that is still very much alive. So on my website again, it’s it’s it’s very it’s slim. That’s my offering. I am and I had changes to I do have I am certified in sound healing. And for a while I was offering sound healings, then COVID hit and it’s possible. I’ve done sound healings over what do you call it Facebook Live, you know, just work like private Facebook Live groups. But I find that I use a gong and I use a crystal singing bowl and I’ve got a rain stick and I’ve got a wave drum. What I find is my sound healing is really an extension of my mediumship. So that’s a whole story for another podcast but sound

Brandon Handley 53:44
so so that’s I mean, that’s that’s a basically a part of your offering, right part of the suffering. It’s

Deb Razar 53:49
not on the website anymore. I took it off.

Brandon Handley 53:51
Well, I mean, let’s say that you and I are talking and intuitively. You’re like you know what? You need some noise, bro.

Deb Razar 53:59
Yes, I need some noise. I gotta get that gong out for you. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:03
no. So real quick, so I’m just gonna I’m gonna wind it down here Devin, you and I can keep talking right so everybody you know go to the soul wisdom.com checkout and see what she has offer there. My Instagram You

Deb Razar 54:16
mean to tell you that sir. Instagram is so wisdom. So wisdom easy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. You

Brandon Handley 54:24
know what I was always saying like so was the MAS or something like that. But it’s so wisdom a wisdom AZ so

Deb Razar 54:30
wisdom was taken so AZ I’m in Arizona, so

Brandon Handley 54:32
that’s where they’re not sure. Yeah, that makes sense. No, sorry to interrupt. No, you’re good. You’re good. So you’ll connect back with it. This is something that you’re more interested in. I’ll have links also in the podcast notes.

Deb Razar 54:49
I appreciate you having me on. It was fun.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
And welcome back to part two of chapter seven. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar Rao, and we are picking up where we left off. And that is the idea that it’s okay, that the tree is cooking. Right? So what happens? What do you do when the universe gives you something beautiful, yet unexpected? Do you know you take a look the rainbows and the trees and all the beautiful VISTAs and you say, Man, that would be that would be better if it was over here to the left, right? That Rainbow is missing a color? Or do you just kind of take it and accept it as beautiful and wonderful. He talks a little bit about the idea of, you know, here, here are some of our, here’s, here’s some of the other ideas here, as you know, you don’t see the world this, this line, right? I think is pretty, pretty impressive. And true, right? You don’t see the world as it is, you see it as you are. So the idea is, when something is good, like the rainbows and the trees and the beautiful VISTAs, you want more of it. And then when something shitty is happening, either you get a flat tire, you’re stuck in the rain, and it’s cold outside, and you can’t find the tire jack, that’s something that you just want it to end immediately. The funny thing is, is that both our form of clinging, right, both of these ideas of good or bad, wanting more or less of it, our sense of attachment, right? Which, as we all know, if we are falling long, anything that’s happening here, and especially you know, Buddhism, right, that that’s a form of suffering, you know, attachment leads to suffering. So if if you don’t just kind of accept it as it is, maybe that crooked tree, just see it, there’s really nothing that can be done about it, you just kind of recognize it and see that it is a crooked tree versus Ooh, that’d be a lot better. That was fixed, right? That type of thing. So the idea then, is that maybe what you don’t even realize what happiness is? And he posits that the idea is that happiness is and are the moments where you are free from want. How great would it be Oh, so those are the moments that you’re free from want. This is the moments I mean, and then I went back up to the top there, where there’s where there’s no pressure. Or if you don’t want any more than what you’ve already gotten, you’re content with what you’ve got, and you’re not afraid of losing anything. Right? Because that’s that’s a want as well, then, then you you’re happy here in a moment of that could be a moment of happiness is as it springs from acceptance of the universe as it is. Right. Which I think is pretty cool, too. And then the idea is there’s absence of constraints, right. But I still I think, I think the biggest part of this one, right? You don’t see. You don’t see the unit. You don’t see the world as it is you see it as you are. When you talk a little bit about this talks about he gives a little story about an alkali and a master. And how he’s like how the how the Aqua it’s like a dog with a bone. Right. And the idea is that even you know the dog is chewing on a bone and it’s cutting his mouth and the blood inside of his mouth makes them feel like there’s meat on that bone. And the dog keeps chewing on it because he feels like there’s meat on the bone. Right? Yeah, the idea is that he says here peace and contentment and joy seeker inside says master but you keep hunting for it on the outside the worldly things you pined for so desperately and collect so graciously wound you in some manner the bone cuts the dog same as the bone cuts the dog but you think pleasure you derive it from those objects that you’ve got, right? Like I said, so the things that you want are the things you’ve already got. So you cling to them so hard, but in reality, right at the things if if the things that you’re so afraid to let go of are making you upset, then who owns what right to the things around you or you get that you get the idea. So he says hey, you know, make changes by all means this next piece of the

chapter and talks about acceptance And how it’s it doesn’t mean that you just accept the things that are out there, you still go ahead and you fight the good fight, right, you’re still out there working to bring out something beneficial, that is better for everybody involved, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that you just accept everything that that’s out there, you’re still you’re still working, working for everything. uncouple your well being from the upshot, right? Even if the outcome is something, you’ve used the disasters, right, I think the idea that uncouple your well being from the upshot is that, you again, what you’re what you’re looking to do, and he says, you know, even if the outcome is something that you’ve used disasters, this is a learnable skill, right? If when you are working to bring out something that’s beneficial for all, if it doesn’t turn out, okay, then the idea is, you know, the the effort and the intent towards that was something to be a benefit. And the idea is, if you’re, if you can, like it says on couple of your well being from kind of the outcome, and you’re not emotionally involved, then you’re not going to be you’re not going to get upset, you’re just gonna understand and maybe take the lesson away from the objective outcome says, references, recent outnet recent email, guys, if you’re not on his email list to Sreekumar Rao email list, then then check it out. I forget specifically which one this is the email, but I think that it had to do with things that it had to do with I think it had to do with like, income and making money. And how is basically, our emotions are tied to some outcomes and how things are all working out. But um, again, I forget exactly what the email is get on his email list. And he get he gets out some pretty good emails, usually weekly. So again, if you don’t know how it’s going to working, you just give it your best before intentional intention, and benefits of all, you can rejoice once once it’s over, I’ve got kind of Henry Ford listed there as well. You know, his intention was to benefit all right, it wasn’t he had success, because he was trying to benefit all he could have made things more expensive, but he was looking to help the greater population, and not simply just himself, right. So this is the email, I think that it references more, so it will come if you don’t seek it. The idea is to do to do to do this is probably the best line from it, what you seek is within your grasp, but you can only reach it if you let go of what you’re clasping to so tightly and this kind of moves up into even the uncouple your well being from the upshot, right. So oftentimes, what we’re looking for is right in front of you. And your says here, you’re bound by the things I said, again, you’re bound by your emotion to the desired outcome. And you’re bound by the the, I would dare say call it the narrow vision of how you think it should turn out, and how it should work. But oftentimes, it’s already kind of working out right in front of you already. And you’re participating in it and it’s happening through you and for you and sometimes to you. But you don’t see what’s happening because you’ve got an emotional investment to an outcome that you’ve pictured working out in a certain way. But it will come if you don’t seek it to the to the to the let’s see what he’s got here. In this story times got a really good story. I love the story in here. Just basically about a basically about a king who runs in Osage Sage says hey, he, the king sees that he Sage is super wise. And he wants to Sage to come and teach him the way you know, wisdom of his ways. comes in and sage says Hey, I’ll come in and I’ll I’ll do it. But you’ve got to give me everything I’ll ask for without getting, you know, freaking out at me. And you essentially it gets to a point where Sage does something so that the king gets pissed off and he flies off the handle and stays like alright, I’m out. Right and then the idea is

Sage says he’s out he rolls out. And he the cane says no, no, please stay and the king and the sage says, Look, man, I told you, you know, I was gonna roll out and here Here’s the deal, I do have something to share with you walk with me for a while, like a week or so as, as I roll out, and I’ll share a couple things with you. And what he does is he ends up sharing with them that that, that the sage was still happy, regardless of whether or not he had the things that he had, he was happy when he was the sage with nothing, and he was happy when he had everything as a king. And then he was just as easy to roll out of the kingdom. And, and go back to what it was, and have what he had he was he was happy, and content with the life that he had, whether it was with seemingly little or everything. And the idea to is if it will come if you don’t seek it is like the idea it will just come right. Play that like a cat, right or a dog. And you know, as soon as you turn away, it just kind of comes up on you. Right? So exercise list your accomplishment, go ahead and go through, I think that’s pretty self explanatory. Do that. And then he’s got the exercise corollary, this was one that’s still a challenge for me to do, and actually did a little bit of it on an Instagram story, did a little bit of dancing, right. But the idea is, what is something that you truly enjoy something that really brings you joy. And it doesn’t, it’s not directly aligned to anything, right? It’s not directly aligned to like, like, for example, personal growth is not aligned to doing anything better. It’s simply aligned to you feeling good and enjoying life. Right. And the idea is that, do it right now, don’t stop, stop and wait, and then be grateful for that opportunity to do it. Let’s see here. And then yet and then do it now, give thanks to the universe for allowing you the time to do it. And by the law of increase. Right, which we talked about it at some point. And of course, we know the universe is a force multiplier, by the law of increase, more of those moments will appear in your life. The other exercise is dropping destructive habits. Bob last really quick, note the damage being done by your behavior. And this is something that you can work with your kids, if you’ve got children right recommend same thing. Recognize that you are not a behavior or therefore err, go when you’re talking with your kids separate their behavior from them, right. Don’t beat yourself up again, with children don’t beat them up, though separate them from from the behavior. Admit that you have some bad habits, simply be aware of when you’re working on those habits. And when those are being triggered. And then just anytime you bring awareness to anything and you recognize it, you begin to you begin to you begin to kind of lessen it, you begin to do it less because you’re you’re intentional. Your intent is to drop those destructive behaviors, it’s got a pretty cool exercise too along the way. Breathe in Golden strength, giving light. He says also go into witness mode at this point, you know, so breathing golden strength, giving light and breathe out negative emotions that in the visual is leaving your body in a dark stream. I personally still have a challenge with this one. I’d like to breathe in Golden strength giving light and breathe more of it out. And more of like a filtration system. Right. So I could I certainly I don’t want to I don’t want to. I don’t want to put any negative energy out there, I guess is my challenge. Sure. I’ll get over it. Let’s see. And then finally, the exercise of your ideal life. We’ll let this one run a little long. Understand that your ideal job doesn’t currently exist? Are you quite literally as co creators with the universe you have to create it? And then really the idea is how can you do something or achieve something or find something? If you don’t know what it is just spending some time writing down and writing out what your the vision of your ideal job is.

You will have better chance of succeeding. If you clearly know what it is you’re trying to do. Right? So so many people do this The one person that comes to mind each time I think about this is Darren Hardy when he talks about his ideal, his ideal life partner, right, his wife, and how he would write about her, like, all the time and like, coming into his life and what she would be like, and what kind of why should we be. And eventually, at some point, he found exactly those things I can tell you to off my own personal experience, each time I go through this exercise, I see pieces of it come through in my life. And And the thing is, you’re essentially just kind of tuning your, your algorithm, and you and your spirit and your whatever, to get aligned to it to recognize it. I’ve taken all the questions that he’s got here that are prompts to do this exercise. And I posted them on spiritual dope, I’ll post them on this podcast as well. So you can go it’s on jotform. But I put it on side of spiritual dope. So you can go you can you can put your you can answer the questions, you and you write it out as if it’s happening right now as if it is present tense. And you just follow the prompts and right through it, and I’ve made it so that you can save it as you go along. Because it’s pretty long. I’ve also made it so that you can send it to yourself, and and you’ve got a copy of it. helpful hints. I’ve got written down here, just fucking do it, right. And if you’ve got writer’s block, just sit down and start writing don’t don’t on there’s nobody’s judging you. Except for you. This is yours, your own your very own on the end. Also, you should be doing this one time every four to six months, refining it, right, getting better at this and tightening it up. Again, just getting getting more clarity on your vision, getting more clarity on the job that you are creating. And you know, I love it because we realize this isn’t going to happen. Immediately. This he says it’s your life’s task to assemble all the pieces and the idea is that it truly Could take the rest of your life and that’s okay. Right is the ideal, your ideal job. And if it takes you a lifetime to create it I don’t know if there’s a kind of a more walk well, I mean, are more worthy endeavors and what you’re doing those inclusively making your life as good as you can make it by having a job or the work that you do that is corresponding to all of your life’s ideals, I suppose, if you want so that is God that’s gonna close it down for you on Chapter Chapter Seven of Are you ready to succeed? I circumaural we’ve only got two more chapters left. They are you know, I think that pretty potent. Chapter Eight is actually pretty short. Doesn’t mean there’s not a lot packed into it. If you’ve enjoyed it so far reach out to me let me know your thoughts. love to know which you know, you tried out and use exercises and maybe you run out and grab the book for yourself I know that I’ve I this is one of the books that I’ve sent out many times too many different people and always happy to have a conversation about it’s Matter of fact I’m just about done having a conversation with somebody else around the book. And she and I just have had a discussion right now what are the what’s what’s the impact been on her was impacted on me through reading this book? Have you done the exercises so you know, we we kind of hold each other accountable to actually going and doing the things that’s where the true value comes from the true value isn’t reading these things and being able to spout it out or even just sharing out this conversation the way that I have and with you the true value of this comes from actually doing the work. Alright. Take it easy. We’ve got plenty of other podcasts coming your way. I will also be saving my mind map right What am I use an X mine the way I mapped these out and I’ve got the nodes. These are also videos created as I do the podcast. So

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What’s going on? What’s going on spiritual dope, how have you been? I have been pretty busy. pretty busy lately. So that doesn’t mean that there’s never enough time to be doing the doing the podcast. That’d be being said. I was doing some other things. And I got busy not doing the podcast, I also been doing 100 day mailer program, so far as to say that at this point that that is not 100 consecutive days. turns, it turns out that that’s going to be exactly what it sounds like 100 day email program. If you’re not a part of that, reach out to me, let me know. And I’ll connect you with that 100 days of being on a spiritual journey. But I shared something in there about Ani, the Franco big fan of Alan Franco. And she’s got a live album. And in that album, she just talks about life kind of happening to her and she says, I got kind of distracted right now. I’m always entertained by that. And that’s exactly that’s exactly what happened to me. While I was in the process of this, and and secondarily, when I’m doing these, I don’t want to move forward until I’m doing the we’re doing the are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar Rob doing the chapter seven. And I don’t like to move forward until after I’ve done at least at least one of the exercises, if not all of the exercises that are mentioned within chapter and I hadn’t done it. So that was why I didn’t do any podcasts. We got, we sold our house, we did a bunch of move in, downsized, outsized, whatever size and just made a move to a to a newer place. And right now we’re also in transit. Right? So we’re we are at an Airbnb for a month, people are always like, well, that’d be great, man, let’s I want to be a nomad. Maybe, maybe not depends, depends on how you want to chase that down. But so far, it’s been fun. We’re having a lot of fun, and we’re enjoying the journey. And I want to say thank you for always being here. appreciate the fact that you keep checking in and seeing what’s going on. And, you know, let’s finish this thing up, right? I know, I forget when this started, but we’ve been doing it for a while. So we are on chapter seven of Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar, Rao subtext is unconventional strategies for achieving personal mastery in business and life. And this chapter is called freedom and happiness. They ain’t what do you think? He starts off Sreekumar starts us off with a with a with a pretty cool story. And it’s kind of one that hits you in the gut, especially if you’re a parent. And basically, basically, it’s a story about a guy who is doing his job, right, who’s dedicated more of his life to his job, then then, let’s say his family, and he’s got himself into such a place where he can’t leave. He can’t, can’t leave the situation, right? Like he’s deemed integral to whatever the situation is, is going on. And his child is about to give a final performance at school, and he’s going to miss it, and he’s going to miss it, he realizes that he’s missed all the performances, and that he essentially where he is right now, he feels like he is shackled in his life. And if I can hear from any of those parents out there, going through this journey, who understand and realize that they, they, they’re missing out on some of their children’s life, because of the time that they’re dedicating to their, to their jobs. We go into name moves on into freedom, right? So the idea is that what is your definition of freedom? Right, what is your definition? Trying to think? You know, what, what does he put in here? One of the things that he puts in here and I’ve got it highlighted in the book is, you know, have you thought about the idea and the concept of the freedom from the constant desire for more How would it be wouldn’t be nice if you felt free from the need and or desire to want more, more than what you’ve already got in your life. And, you know, I personally think that that’s the one a big one right?

When you if you could drop the the idea that anything else that you You’re wanted, and be happy with what you’ve got and where you are? How would that make the war with the pressure in your life come from then? Where would the pressure in your life come from? If you dropped the desire for more? Then he moves on. Right? So the next part of the book chapter is stone walls. Do not a prison make. The idea is that you’re just like, kind of imagine the perfect day where where are you? What do you do? What would you like to be doing? What is your work? And are you pleasantly challenged by it? Do you get the opportunity to hang out with a friend whose company you actually enjoy, where there’s no tension, no sense of upmanship? Maybe never the day you get to watch a show that is purely instructive and enjoyable. You end the day with a sense of ease and wonder that you have the life that you do. And the question he poses is, Do you recall last time you had this kind of day in your own life? And do you feel like if you would like that it’s possible, right? It’s definitely possible to have a lifetime of days like this. The The idea is, and this is where the the chapter comes from title title, this sub chapter is, is you will need to escape from the prison you’re currently in. Right. So whatever it is that you’re doing right now, it’s kind of it’s kind of self imposed as kind of the idea and he illustrates this, in this next exercise, which is probably one of the toughest exercises in the book and the exercise is do nothing, do nothing for 30 minutes, sit, meditate, no humming, no audio, no other thing, you have a focal point and do nothing for 30 minutes. And the idea is that if you are not able to do this, if you’re not able to do this for 30 minutes, with your own time in your own life, how free Do you think you really are? moves on to happiness, right? So we just kind of talking about freedom a little bit there, moves on to happiness and and the gist of it is, is happiness is something that most of us we seek outside of ourselves, we also seek it from others, right? We seek the validation from others to to kind of let us know whether or not we’re happy or maybe even look at comparing ourselves to other May we compare ourselves as one as miserable or somebody we think is happy. And, and then we we put ourselves in a position to you know, there’s like a happiness gauge, if you will. And we put ourselves along there. He shares a short story from Anthony de Mello. And let me see if he tells us who and Melo is. psychotherapists and Jesuit priest, Anthony de Mello, pretty pretty, I think, fairly well named no name in this space, if you’re not familiar, check them out. I haven’t really checked them out beyond this, and hearing them quoted from place to place. The idea is, when you are living your life, are you doing something for that innate soul feeling of joy that often comes from giving or being is simply being happy for who and where you are versus the being recognized by somebody else or some, you know, a group. So when you’re doing something to be recognized, right? You’re doing it so that somebody says, oh, great job, and that’s where your happiness comes from. Right? So the validation from somebody else that tells you that what you’ve done is in accordance and allows you to be happy or maybe gives you an applause because you’ve been on stage missing doing anything. Or maybe even at work, right, you get your happiness because you’re your boss thinks that what you’ve done is great. And so now you’re happy. The idea though, it’s pretty powerful. That he kind of gives, he outlines here is that when you’re doing some of these things for outside of yourself that these are,

where’s it good to hear. the true nature of worldly feelings are they are not natural. They were invented by our society to make you productive and make you controllable These feelings do print do not produce the nourishment and happiness is produced when one contemplates nature enjoys the company one’s friends or work. They were meant to produce thrills, excitement, and essentially emptiness, right, because even at the end of the day, if you come home and, and you’re excited about maybe the accolades and something else that work, and there’s really nobody else gets it, but you, I don’t know that that’s here, maybe maybe that’s not where he’s going with this. But the idea is, that’s not really true happiness, and that that’s not really I don’t think long lasting. So he, he also illustrates it with this other story of CEO who’s worked for 20 years to reach the level of CEO. And then right as he kind of transitions into that ball, you know that that role, a company gets bought out, company gets bought you imagine working here and tired, 20 years to reach level CEO. And as soon as you reach that level, the company gets bought, and essentially, you get canned. Put yourself in that position. And then just just imagine, like, how hard that must hit you? And how would you feel? Would you know, the thing that you strove so hard for and even granted just for a moment? Because taken away? What does that do for your sense of happiness, right? He also says, Here, look, there’s nothing you have to get in order to be happy. So I think the best example of that is right now you could, if you really wanted to recall a moment where you were happy and feel happy right now, if you want it or take a look around you and see what you have that’s available to you that might not be available to anybody else. And you, you might be able to find happiness, right where you are, right now, in this moment. talks about the power of brainwashing, right? I think that you know, that there’s a lot in this chapter. So, so the idea of if we say that, you know, you can be happy right now. And if Happiness is your innate nature, then why are you filled with anger and sorrow. And it’s because of this mental model that we’ve been fed over and over again, of we are better if we are successful, right? You are incomplete, and your life is incomplete. And you know, we’ve got all these marketing products and solutions that help you to manufacture your needs. If you even if you look at some of these marketing materials and, and sales materials, you’ll you’ll see that this is true, you know, some somebody creates a situation shows that somebody is happy. And and By comparison, you don’t you’re not supposed to but you’re going to no matter what By comparison, you see somebody who’s happy and joyful and smiling because they’ve got a thing, or, or a product and and you think that you do you need that in your life, right? That’s a manufactured need. is a hot dog happening here. So let’s see. So it evolves around your own life and patterns, trying to look here at why I jotted this down, right. You know, your life and patterns of consumptions, you’re absolutely convinced that, you know, you need to maintain your particular quote, unquote, standard of living and maybe improve on it right. So, again, this is this is kind of like just what we’ve been fed, right? You believe and just for, he says, Hey, you believe that you were immune. And the deal is you swallow at all. And the thing is, you are not paying attention, right? So

this is this is the idea of conscious behavior conscious and being woke doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve just connected to your spirituality, consciousness. mentality means that you’re paying attention now to the shit that’s going into your brain. Right? You’re paying attention now to the thoughts that you accept and who the authorities are and what you’re what you’re willing to believe. And you’re paying attention now to the stories that you’ve told yourself historically, and the stories that you’re going to keep telling yourself but so I don’t want to make it all out to be just the marketers either and I don’t think that he does, and he has not just from advertising is not just from market, it’s not just from sales. This, this this brainwashing comes from your parents, from your friends, from teachers and coaches, anyone who is an authority or someone that you know, like and trust, right, this is sales one on one, this is marketing one on one, but these have all contributed to who you are, where you are, and your current situation. Now, the idea is your question these beliefs, values and these mental models and he says the answers that you find are very counter intuitive. Let me see if he gives an opportunity for you to. He doesn’t say, right here, and maybe he does a little bit. I’m just looking for a place where he says in the book that was an example of a counter intuitive answer. He does not say We’ll see. We’ll see how this keeps lead. Now. It’s been a minute, since I’ve read it and wrote down these notes, but I think, let’s see, where are we here in timing. 15 minutes. So I’ll pause this here and we’ll go and, and this one, check back in for should be just part two, maybe we get to a part three of chapter seven.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. I don’t know why I always introduce myself. The host is never gonna change. I’m spiritual dope podcast and I’m on with Kiko. Ellsworth Kiko,

Unknown Speaker 0:15
you know,

Brandon Handley 0:15
has a has a great story, spent some time in Hollywood, then, you know, transitioning, we were just talking about, like, you know, metamorphosizing into this kind of goop into butterfly mode. But you know, Kiko for the people that aren’t familiar with you like, what do you like to tell them? Right? Where are you from? What do you about and you know, what’s happening with you?

Kiko Ellsworth 0:39
Well, thank you for having me. And I want to say, blessings and love and peace, to all of my brothers and sisters, I love you. And I think that’s the most important thing that I want to communicate, probably throughout this entire podcast, write that in there. And I truly do mean that. So, you know, I think, you know, kind of like, just really starting off, we, you know, I think we’re all just born with a purpose, and we forget what it is, I think that’s a part of the game. And a part of the game is to remember, and just a part of my, my story was to had to do with Hollywood and forgetting and kind of getting caught up in that and learning the tools and the power of that sort of medium. And how it can be used for anything, whether it be good or negativity, or it can be used for anything. And so I’ve just basically found my way to using it for good. Which brings me here to you, brother.

Brandon Handley 1:38
There you go. There you go. I love I love the idea that we can, you know, it’s just a couple people connecting, right. And, you know, that’s, that’s all we’re really doing. And we just share kind of a, you know, shared spiritual sense of being right, whatever that means. But so, the, I like to open these up with the whole idea that whoever’s listening to this podcast today, whoever we’re contacting today, they’re gonna hear some that can only come from spear from, you know, the universe, through you to them today, like what is that message, you know, what’s coming through you to that person today.

Kiko Ellsworth 2:22
That’s beautiful, as beautiful. You know, what’s coming through is for us to, you know, as you’re listening to this,

I think we forget how beautifully made that we are. And we kind of think that we’re these humans, and that we’re these bodies, and that we’re these titles and jobs, and, you know, and we get all uptight and shit and we perform for people, and we put on these masks and say these things and, you know, but at the end of the day, I think it’s, it’s really about, I don’t want to say the the superficial way. So I’m gonna go underneath it is really about really, you, you knew your soul, your swagger, your mojo, your style, how you your opinion, your voice, your spin on things, you know, because nothing’s new under the sun, and they’re there. No, one’s really different, really, in the sense really, except in how you do what you do. And that’s just your, that’s yours, your soul, your swagger your, how you go about life, and that sort of spirit that wants to express itself through you. And so, you know, we become very unique if we, if you do you if I do mean if you know, Brandon, you do you and but if we got to get caught up in the, you know, the mainstream of life and pleasing or playing the larger game instead of going within, then we kind of missed the mark. We kind of what I like to say we sell our soul, you know, and I don’t think selling our souls necessarily like signing this contract with a devil and nothing like that. I think selling our soul happens in these little tiny micro ways every single day. These little ways that you’re not freaking true to yourself, these little ways where you just not speaking your truth, these little ways where you just don’t take the time to see what’s really there for you. You ignore your intuition. You’re ignoring what you know you’re supposed to be doing. You’re paying attention Are you giving too much attention and credence to the fears that are stopping you from doing what the EFF you are supposed to be doing in your life? You know,

Unknown Speaker 5:10
I love it.

Brandon Handley 5:11
Right? the you know, the the vision I’ve got when you’re kind of talking like that it’s, you know, you’re already a star like, you know, blazing star out there. And like, you know, each time you’re not being your story self, you’re just kind of losing Stardust, right? You’re diminishing yourself and you just kind of become a decrepit, right. You’re not you’re not being true to who you are. And, man, it’s the worst, right? I can still remember, I still remember way back in the day, some some warehouse parties. And I still remember these two girls dancing, right? And I could show you my dance, I was doing like little, little white guy up on the corner, just kind of like dancing like hiding in the shadows. Right. And I but like, I was really just kind of pulled into myself and I wasn’t, you know, just pulled into myself. And I was tight. And I was I wanted to dance. But you know, I wasn’t sure that I was doing it. Right. Maybe people would see me and then I saw these, like two girls out there. Right. And, and, you know, they’re, you know, back in the day, like those big baggy, like party people clothes, right, like his big old clothes, and just like whatever. And, you know, they’re just just playing in their arms out just like taking all this space. I was like, that’s so like, it’s a straight up, just letting the energy flow through them. And being all of who they were, they did not give a fuck, right? They didn’t care. And, you know, I was so inspired like, by by those two girls, it’s like, just letting it all just energy out. And I was like, from there on out. Right, like so, you know, like, you’re saying like little pieces that you’re not giving into right, that you’re that you’re ignoring are literally diminishing, you and who you are.

Kiko Ellsworth 6:56
Yeah, and that’s like, you know, it doesn’t just, you know, I’m glad you brought that example, because I have some of those images. Like my very first girlfriend, I remember going to the club with her back in the day when I was like 15. And I remember getting on the dance floor, and I was that guy that you were taught that you were as well. And she was that that girl that you talked about that you saw. And she was out there. And she I just remember her hair going all over the place. And she was just doing she was taking up all the space. And I was like, whoa. And you know, I was inspired and also intimidated at the same time. And, but I never forgot that, you know, and, you know, it’s it’s a, it takes, it takes practice. It’s interesting, because it’s like, you don’t need to do anything to be you because you’re already you. And at the same time, it takes practice, in a sense, shaking off and creating the space that you need in this world. So you can actually be free to be you, we have to create the space, we have to exercise our muscles, we have to exercise our expression, our voice. And if we don’t give it the attention and exercise and practice that it needs, when we call upon it, we’re gonna get out there on the dance floor and be like, I want to dance and I know I can but like, I’m kind of like, you know, kind of like, I don’t know, I haven’t been practicing and will be just out of shape. That’s right. Every every, I’ll just say like, every, every every like, you know, as we talk, like, every moment is a moment to practice being you don’t have a word. Of course, I can just talk to you like this. And I can just shoot words out of my mouth. And I can just talk and talk and talk and that’s fine. Or we can talk and we can feel the word and be present with who we’re being what we’re saying, present to the vibration of the words coming out. You know, and this just like, practicing taking up that space in our communication, and there’s so many ways to just play being you. Well, I

Brandon Handley 9:06
mean, look, I mean, I would relate it back to dance. So it’s just another dance, right? Just another. I like it, I liken it to double dutch too, right? Like always, because you know, you got the two ropes going, right? You got the two ropes going,

Unknown Speaker 9:21
Yeah, and you’ve got to get in that

Brandon Handley 9:22
rhythm. And you’ve got to do you’ve got to jump in the middle there, right. And if you mess that up, you’re getting hit by one of those rows. But when you do it and you hit it, you know, you’re just having fun, you’re just dancing in the middle there. And you’re going all around but the same thing with you and I had a conversation and a conversation that you’re present for, right? There’s a there’s, you can feel it. Right. And and that’s that’s a lot of how I liken it but I also understand too that you know, you’re into martial arts or you know, you’re a yoga teacher Kundalini, and all of these things, you know, they kind of all do this same thing. I mean, it correct me if I’m wrong, like Talk to me about how you see maybe martial arts playing a similar role as dancer or being present in that space. I’d love to hear that.

Kiko Ellsworth 10:09
Yes, yes, it’s interesting, you bring that up, because I think that you’re totally on point with that. And that’s, that’s exactly what my philosophy is. Because I don’t, I don’t see myself as an actor, or even a martial artist, or this or that, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I see myself as a creator, and I express myself in these different ways. And I allow myself to express myself through the art of acting, or through the art of martial arts, or through the art of dance, or through the art. And, you know, for me, my, you know, my job, my responsibility is to try to find as many ways as I can to authentically express my smile my soul in a way that it wants to express itself, it might not want to express itself, and I don’t want to paint right now, I’m not looking for that. Or this, you know, my head right now. It’s like, it’s the drum, it’s my, maybe it’s not the guitar just yet. I’m not ready for that, or whatever the case may be. But for right now is, you know, for me to look in the way that’s most true for me, you know, how, how, what feels right for me to express myself right now? And am I allowing that to flow? Or am I like, getting caught in Am I am I blocking that energy from, you know, letting it express itself, because as far as I’m concerned, man, it’s like spirit just wants to express itself as much as it can through you. As much as it can through me in through all of our brothers and sisters. And if you just do your thing, Brandon, if I just do my thing if I just because it’s there’s so much work to do over here. For me, I can’t I can’t worry about your work, because I got so much work over here to do you know, and if it’s like, if we’re both doing our work, then it’s something beautiful can happen in between the interaction between, you know, souls like you and me, man. So I appreciate it.

Brandon Handley 12:10
And I love it. As to Pete waitley, definitely one piece in here, right? How did you come to find yourself as a creator? Right? How did you when, when do you feel like you accepted that moniker for yourself? And then what, uh, you know, how would you state yourself as a creator, like, as a spirit flowing through you? You know, I’d love to hear kind of what your take is on that.

Kiko Ellsworth 12:35
I think that over the years, I’ve been calling myself so many things, and they’ve all been inaccurate.

Brandon Handley 12:43
Okay, so I bring that up, though, because I mean, we’re creators of our own lives, right? And, and the sooner that we accept that, the sooner we can get to creating our own lives, right. And like, you were saying, you know, letting I love to like you, when you were talking about blocking spirit or not letting spirit kind of flow directly through you, you put your hand to your head, right? And that’s, that’s what happens, right? When, when we’re, when we’re kind of and have this conversation last night with a coach. When we’re paying attention to ego, we’re using our head, right, and there’s, there’s kind of like, this is blockage, right? But then like when we’re just fully accept, and you brought your hand down a little bit, like, you know, kind of, we’re full of expressing spirit, like, it’s kind of flowing down through you out through your heart, and like, you know, you open up your arms a little bit too much. It’s like, it’s just coming through, like, a tsunami.

Kiko Ellsworth 13:36
Yeah, I think that’s interesting. You picked up on that? Yeah. Because it’s, it was totally unconscious. But I think that that’s exactly accurate. When you if you were to, like, unpack what’s going on that when we when we stopped flowing, it’s, it’s, it’s this, that stopping the flow is our head. And it’s also we’re stopping the flow of this energy of seeing of the being, and we’re this totally stopping and then but when we allow it, to have its way with us, man, man, just just that, that fun happens, you know, and so I think with with regards to like, accepting myself as a creator, you know, um, you know, I think the the frustration of like, what do I call myself? What do I call myself? am, I’m an actor, I’m a, I’m a director, I’m a teacher, I’m this, I’m this, I’m this and I’m like, I’m like, Damn, I was like, What? I don’t know. And just changed like, hundreds of times. And, you know, I think just to keep it simple and truthful is like, at the end of the day, like, you know what, I’m a creator. Like, let me just get back, boom, I’m a creator. And so, at the end of the day, that’s what I resonate. That’s the truth. We’re all creators. We all create our lives. We’re all creating every single moment I’m creating right now. I’m creating something into the universe right now. with with with how Everything I’m doing thinking, speaking, vibrating, moving, creating something with you, my brother, listeners, my brothers and sisters with myself, you know, so, and then, you know, at certain points in my life, I’ve just learned that okay, and this era of my life, like right now in this era of Kiko sallallaahu Ellsworth slife right now, you know, because sometimes we need a little more definition than just creator because that’s so broad. It’s like, okay, but yeah, what do you do is like, okay, yeah, let me just kind of do this human thing now, you know, but at this point in my life right now, I’m identifying as, you know, an actor on camera artists, you know, that sort of identity, inspirational speaker, and high performance love and lifestyle coach. So those are my Those are my, my things that are most prevalent in my life is being able to express myself on camera, inspiring, and people, you know, speaking people speaking, on the stage with people, whether it be virtually like this on stage in front of 10,000 people, it doesn’t matter. And then also actually doing the work like helping people to do the day to day work, whether I’m teaching a Kundalini yoga class, or breath work, or teaching a man how he can activate all of his cylinders as a man. So that’s, that’s where I’m rolling that right now, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
That’s great. I want to I want to get back to that. So what I want to do is kind of break into the one piece, right, you know, for a while there, there you are, your your, your Hollywood, your Mr. Hollywood Kiko? Right and you kind of like the Playboy, your party, and you’ve got the ladies, you’ve got the, you know, the vehicles and you’re having a good time, right? Where is where is kind of the, the reckoning moment, right? where like, this is gonna, this this, this isn’t working, right, this, uh, this isn’t satisfying, this isn’t fulfilling. I mean, I’d be curious to kind of what did you even recognize it as a Was it a slow burn out? Or what?

Kiko Ellsworth 17:09
Yeah, there was a few of those moments, actually, you know, 211 was, you know, and living the fast life with a woman and then you know, doing that, and I’m in the moment, and then like, this, this is, I’m in the moment, but this is not it. This is not the moment I’m not feeling it. I’m not even connecting to this, to this, this moment. This is supposed to be this is supposed to be it. This is supposed to be the fun of, of, you know, you know, being with women and, you know, running this and you know, and it just, I just remember, like, kind of like being pulled outside of my body outside of this experience that’s supposed to be, you know, it, you know, the intimacy of being with a woman or women and all that stuff. And I’m like this, I’m like, I’m doing this act. And I’m like, just saying it, man. And it was like, my spear is like, yeah, you keep doing that. But like, I’m gonna be over here. And you do finish that or whatever. But I’m gonna be over here. And it’s just like, Whoa, I was like, Okay, this doesn’t mean much.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Yeah. So kind of like a hollow hollow moments. Right. And so hollow man, recognizing that, you know, recognizing them was it’s your product of I want to say the simulation right, you know, a product of the of the simulation right, the product of I hate to say commercialism, because I’m not going to try and like hate on commercialism. Right? Because even as even as you did acting and entertainment, and that might not have been like the most fulfilling, you know, if you if you were to take that kind of role right now, you you might you might turn it down. But at the same time, there’s value in entertainment, right? Everybody needs everybody needs that piece, right? everybody’s like, the world’s like, you know, you can get yourself down every once a while you just need something to distract. You need something to be entertained, right. So what you were finding hollow moments, right? So when, you know, when do you feel like was the Kundalini rising moment, right?

Kiko Ellsworth 19:15
Well, I was a slow rise for many, many years. And I had to add a big break down moment. But I remember another big choice of mine was when I was I remember that show heroes years ago. I don’t know if you remember that. So I had a role on there. And I remember, they want me to continue to be on the show. But it overlapped with my spiritual development in a way that, you know, I was trying to learn how to be in a relationship with this woman that was helping me to advance spiritually, right. And I ended up marrying her and we ended up having a completion ceremony as well. And it was like Okay, you got to choose us. Shoes, the money in the show, and some this or you choose this over here, but you can’t have both because they’re both at the same time, it’s like, you’re gonna choose this, you know, going on a trip with her and, and, and developing and investing in your relationship or you’re going to cancel the trip, postpone it, put that off, and then actually do this. And for me, you know, I just felt like I needed to choose me in that moment, and, and be willing to sacrifice the money, the fame being on a on a hit show. And that those sorts of things. And you know, and I did, and I ended up losing, you know, that role, they ended up like killing me off and stuff like that, you know, because there’s someone else that’s willing to take it and do those things. And

Brandon Handley 20:47
that was another moment. That’s super powerful. Right? That’s, uh, you know, God, I don’t know that Jesus lies in the Bible lines, but I know that, you know, a big part of it is like, you know, get rid of everything else and follow me, right. And by saying that he’s you know, basically you saying, doing what Jesus did, you know, get rid of everything else. That’s kind of distracting and follow yourself, right? Follow follow the truth of who you are. Or at least pay attention to that intuitive moment, like you did. And choosing yourself over anything else. That’s huge, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 21:24
I’m, like, enlightened, like, I mean, you tap in on it right there, like? And it goes back to the very first question that you asked me when we first started all this, right, choosing yourself, but most of us I know that I have very low self esteem, and I was very insecure, very low self esteem. When I now that Looking back, I realized that I didn’t think much of myself. I and I looked at myself, and I just saw this sort of, you know, a human, you know, I didn’t really see a divine being It was beautiful, and powerful and influential. And that that has all these magic, like literal magic. You know, I didn’t see that. And so I think if we don’t see that, we’re like, Well, why would I choose me? Like, I’m just, I’m just a little old me, you know, I’m saying, Yeah, yeah. Because that’s glitz and glamour. You know, I’m

Brandon Handley 22:22
saying that is? I mean, that’s a great word for it, though. Right. That’s the glamour. Right. That’s that, you know, you’re talking magical sense. Right. That’s, that’s the glamorization of this thing as its disillusionment. And I think that, you know, I don’t know if it’s purposeful. I’m not again, I’m not, I’m not a big conspiracy guy, either. I don’t have that kind of time. But like, when exactly we weren’t taught, we’re taught to play small, right? We’re taught to play small, we’re taught to be humbled to, you know, be grateful for what you get, you know, don’t ask for more than you need type of thing. So you are taught to be big. You weren’t taught to, like, find that expression you weren’t taught to? Even if you went to church, like you, and as a child, you wouldn’t have understood to look for your divinity. Yeah. Right. Um, you know, at least again, not and mostly in like, the western civilization. And this is just another parallel before we started the show, you know, you know, I came upon the same thing myself, like, probably this started spiritual dope, right? Because at the start of spiritual dope, was the recognition of myself as a divine being. Right? 100% right. I do. So I’ve got a mini course called, like, the divine framework, right? Like it’s recognized making that choice to recognize yourself as divinity is connected to the divine.

Kiko Ellsworth 23:46
What can be better than that? Yep. Because look, look, I mean, you you hit it, we were taught to be small, right? But, like, for those of you that are listening to this, you know, you are big like this is your world. Literally, like Neo in the matrix are the one that says

Brandon Handley 24:15
100% So uh, yeah, all good stuff man. And and I literally had during my awakening period, just because you’re bringing up Neo references remember that part where he goes in there and he starts replicating, right? Dude? sober like for like months right? Like I didn’t stop drinking right but if similar to your story, right, like we can get more into that and but replication moment, like we’re like that same noise like in my body, like I was like, This is some fucking shit. Right? Like and again. So was the day is long and that was happening. I still remember calling my wife and let her know that like all this shit was going on. She’s like, are you okay? Are you sober? I was like, Yeah, and that’s the problem. Right like going through. I was like, that’s because because you know if it was drugs or something else, I could I could I could put point to it. So, you know, you’re, you’re doing this right and you choose you, what are your friends saying? What are the people around you saying,

Kiko Ellsworth 25:08
I don’t, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t really know, I don’t care. And at the same time, the ones that are showing up and saying things are, are are inspired, they’re on board, you know, my main focus is me. And being true to me, like I said, I got enough work to do, to stay aligned with me, and to keep diving deep within me. And, you know, sometimes I come out and people have a response. And that’s, and that’s cool. And at the same time, you know, I’m okay with people not agreeing or saying certain things. Because at the same time, you know, it’s got nothing to do with me. And I realized that as well, like, they’re having their own experience, you know, whether they want to, you know, be responsible for that they’re the creators of their own life and not in project what they want to project. Like, that’s, that’s on that’s totally on them. And, you know, at the same time, there is a certain amount of reflection that I can get back from people, that also may just kind of give me a read on how I’m coming off or how, because I know, like, say, for example, if I say something that’s a deep truth to me, and then I can calibrate that on a response that I get if someone responds negatively, I’m like, Okay, great. I understand that. But I’m also, you know, I’m also calibrating that this was a deep truth of mine, and I can bring up things for other people. So being able to discern the difference between, you know, if I, if I, if I’m standing in my truth, and it’s bringing up negativity or something from someone else, I have to be able to discern, okay, this is something that’s bringing up for them. And that has nothing to do with me. And at the same time, if it brings up something positive, and if it inspires somebody else, I have to realize that that that communication got through to somebody, right, and it inspired somebody. So I have to discern the difference between one action that can inspire some biomek. Okay, great, I see how it’s resonating. And at the same time, if it brings up something negative, and someone else, being able to discern that same energy is bringing up something that has nothing to do with me, but has something to do with what someone else needs to work through in their own life, right. But I got to keep doing the same thing. I got to keep doing my thing. And my job is still the same. It’s just like, Am I am I doing? Am I am I aligned here? Am I doing my Am I expressing myself better? Is it better? Am I speaking my truth? I got a lot of work to do, man. Look, I got a lot of work to do, bro.

Brandon Handley 27:42
100%. Right, right. And it doesn’t stop. Let’s talk. I mean, what what are some practical applications? Right? So you have the work, right? have, you know some of some of what you’re doing? I know that you’re you’re you’re helping men and women to find themselves to activate themselves to to be true to themselves? What are some? What are some practical teachings that you’re sharing out there that some like, I don’t know, man? What’s something, you know, give me an example of something that you’re working on today. And let’s just walk it out. Right?

Kiko Ellsworth 28:14
Yeah, yeah. Well, let me just preempt it with this. My, my work that I do for myself, at times looks different than than the work that I do at times with people, you know, and it’s, it’s all it’s all but it’s all the one in the same as well, right? So say, for example, I’m creating this one course that I’m doing, and it’s a, it’s called, everyday divine love. It’s just like, how you can express every day, divine, dope, powerful love, being able to say your brand, and I love you, brother. I love you. Every day, divine love being able to see the Divinity in you and me, and not feel like this is taking me away and making me less than a man like nah, every single day, I can say I love you to my brother, and not feel weak. Every single day I can say I love you to my sister, and not mean nothing sexual. I just love you, my sister. I love you. I want you to fulfill your divine mission because you came in for mission. And I want you to fulfill that. So, you know, that court and that particular course, it’s really about like two things. It’s about anchoring in and giving them the framework to be able to authentically start to anchor themselves for that clarity to being able to see everyone with that divine love Now that doesn’t mean that we’re all like a just vulnerable to everybody in the way we would get ourselves hurt. Because it’s all about healthy boundaries as well too. And just because I love I love somebody that’s evil, but you need to stay over there. I love you because everything’s spirit right but You’re at a vibration that I will not allow to come into my space at the same time, you see what I’m saying. So anchoring in that sort of insight filter to be able to see the divinity and everything. And then also the basics of breathwork, that the basics of being able to breathe properly diaphragmatic breathing, having a complete breath, most of us originated, our breath originates in our upper chest, or our clavicles, as completely unproductive. And that’s going to take you completely off your path, it’s going to be counterproductive to being who you need to be, and fulfill your mission. So with that, it’s like, anchoring in that divine love and anchoring in just breathing properly, nothing, nothing special, just anchoring that breath down there into that diaphragm into that lower, you know, and then that chest, and then up here, and then learning how to breathe completely, right. And in that way, we can actually have, you know, sort of be the creators of our life in a very responsible and controlled, free flowing way. So that’s something that I’m creating right now. But that’s something that I repeatedly do, because a lot of people are so stressed, and they just don’t we just, we’re just in here, we’re just not taught how to breathe

Brandon Handley 31:15
in and,

Unknown Speaker 31:18
you know,

Brandon Handley 31:20
if we don’t know how to breathe, then you know, what else don’t we know? Right? And I think that that’s the crazy part. Because, you know, there you are, you’re breathing, and you’ve been breathing your entire life. And now somebody is going to count and be like, you’re doing it wrong. Like, what? What do you mean, I’m breathing wrong, I’m here, I’m alive. I’m doing well, aren’t I? Like, you know, that’s, are you? Right? I mean, that’s a great question. Right? Like, are you? What is your What is your breathing style?

Kiko Ellsworth 31:52
You know, and it changes, obviously, for me, you know, I just make sure that like, say, say for example, my default breathing, that it always starts down here, it always starts down here. And it’s something that I are constantly being conscious of a practice of just being aware of where my breathing is at. And never make myself wrong, just because like so you know, maybe in the day, I might start my breath here. I’m just conscious of it. So it’s my practice to constantly be aware of how I’m breathing, where I’m reading the rate of how I’m breathing, the pattern, how I’m breathing, I don’t ever feel bad. If I’m even breathing like up here. I’m not perfect with it. I’m always aware of my breathing. And then if it is somewhere else that is not necessarily optimal. I bring it back down to my belly, my navel point, my diaphragm. And what I like to say is I breathe low slow and it creates that glow. Number Baby,

Brandon Handley 32:55
I love it. The the you’re talking about though, twos taken away judgment, right, just because you’re not doing it and what you feel might be the best way for yourself. You’re not beating yourself up over it.

Unknown Speaker 33:06
He know. Right?

Brandon Handley 33:09
So I asked that question, just out of curiosity, because there was are you familiar with I’m sure you probably are Hara style breathing, the Japanese and style of breathing? No, I

Kiko Ellsworth 33:19
never heard of that. Actually.

Brandon Handley 33:20
That’s pretty cool. It’s a little bit different than just I guess the in the book anyways, it says is a little bit different than Indian style of breathing, just because it stops it stops the diaphragm or the belly from dropping a little bit lower that I don’t I mean, so. But it stops it from dropping just as low. But the thought that I had when I when I learned how to do a little bit of what you’re talking about, right and and implementing this Hara breathing is the idea of

Unknown Speaker 33:51
Holy Grail.

Brandon Handley 33:52
Right? If you look at it, right, and I almost ended up like this. So the base down here would be the bottom of the chalice, right? And if you’re squeezing here and you’re breathing your, you know, your belly here, right? And then you’ve got up here on the top of the chest. This is the holy grail is breathing properly.

Kiko Ellsworth 34:08
Yeah, I’m gonna run with it. Yeah, you know, you’re right. Because just briefly, the breath, your your quality of breath, directly influences your quality of thought. The quality of thought directly influences your quality of emotions and feelings, right? How you feel out throughout your entire body. And then our feelings and emotions directly influence our words and our actions. So our breath literally influences our ability to create the quality of life through our words. Someone that’s breathing and I love the saying is like if you picture like a I think it was like a it’s an old saying, but it goes. Deep breath, long life. Shallow breath close to death.

Brandon Handley 35:00
Oh, no. That’s funny sounds like it’s from like five fingers of venom or something like that.

Kiko Ellsworth 35:05
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Brandon Handley 35:07
You picked up on that. Um, and so, so um, and another thing you mentioned in one of the other podcasts, I thought was pretty interesting. And they brought this, they brought this up in this book is called hair, how to find it, or how to share your link when I unpack. Because it’s actually really interesting. It comes from, from a German psychologist who’s been about 10 years with Zen Buddhists in the 40s and 50s. Right? So he was kind of a foreigner in this space. And one of the things they talk about, and there was something that you you brought up is like you by changing the way you breed, you change where your voice is coming from, talk a little bit about that, and how that comes about,

Kiko Ellsworth 35:51
oh, man, I I remember when I when I started doing Kundalini Yoga. And I’m doing class like 4am, early in the am 4am 4:35am. And I remember at that time, I was, I was so uptight. And I’m doing these mantras, there’s a lot of mantras and stuff like that. And I remember that time, my voice was caught in my throat. And it was like, it was like, up here. And it was like, tight. And it was it was higher. And it wasn’t coming from my diaphragm. And it was really heavy. And I remember in that class, I was like, why am I so stressed, I’m like, there’s nothing happened. It’s 430 in the AM. And I felt how I was holding everything up here, and my throat, and my shoulders. And when I learned how to breathe, my voice, my breath and everything just dropped down to my diaphragm, where it’s supposed to be, you know, where, where you can blow where you can, you know, where you have your power. And that’s, that’s where my got my voice back. The creativity just started flowing through my pacing on how I talk, you know, slow down, you know, you just you just start to get yourself back. You know, this is beautiful, man.

Brandon Handley 37:19
100% 100%. And so this is something that you’re you’re another another piece I enjoyed hearing you talk about was how acting helped you to connect to your emotions, right? And to actually feels I love that. It’s funny. About two weeks ago, I interviewed Anthony Mondale,

Unknown Speaker 37:40
are you familiar with him? Mondale?

Brandon Handley 37:42
Yeah, he’s an acting coach out there in LA. Just wasn’t sure if you guys ever cross paths?

Kiko Ellsworth 37:47
No, not my dad. One of my great friends is Anthony Montgomery. Not No, no.

Brandon Handley 37:53
Yeah. So when I was interviewing him, it was talking a little bit about this, right. Like, you know, he was saying, like, everybody needed, maybe I think classes. Absolutely. And, and, and I connected the two today when I was listening your podcast earlier. So talk a little bit about how that works. And you know, what, what, you know, how can somebody apply acting to, you know, figuring out their own emotions and their shit?

Kiko Ellsworth 38:17
Yeah, I think especially for, especially for men for both sexes, obviously. But especially for a man like fought for man, like, what we’re coming from is like, Man, you better not cry, you better suck it up. You know, you being a little worse, you being that, you know, you better man up you better, you better you better man up, you know what I’m saying? We’re coming from that sort of up tight, macho, you know, illusion type of crap. So, you know, a lot of men, you know, it’s good for men, because it’s almost like an excuse to cry. It’s like, we have an excuse. It’s like, Oh, no, I wasn’t really going to cry. It’s like, I’m an actor. So I get to cry. It’s kind of like a bridge. And you’re just

Brandon Handley 39:00
practicing for a role, right?

Unknown Speaker 39:02
Oh, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 39:04
You know, I was a real, you know, but but it gives us an excuse to get in touch with ourselves. Because once we make contact with ourselves, we go beyond that, that sort of fear. And we realize that, that it’s actually okay. And that is actually a natural part of us. It’s actually those if you imagine that we’re a 12 cylinder, high performance vehicle, and that we’re only using our masculine side, right that that strong, aggressive sun energy, we’re only using six of our cylinders. But when we start to tap into that, that Yin, that recessive side, that feminine side of who we actually are that part that can slow us down and be more sensitive and creative, right? Then we actually get in touch with those other cylinders. Because, you know, being in touch with our emotions allows us to navigate life. I can’t always just be aggressive with you or A child or a woman, I can’t always be completely masculine. I have to know when to receive, when to stop, when to listen. And then when to apply myself to penetrate. It’s a dance just like martial arts, I can’t always strike I got to know when to block. You know, the best martial artists are boxers, the ones that know how to like, you know, like, Oh my God, look how he’s like slipping that punch. Look how he’s blocked and look at how he’s moving. That’s a feminine move right there. That’s, that’s it, that’s an emotional move. That’s being sensitive, that’s being aware. And being aware and sensitive of what’s going on with you from an emotional state is, is essential. If a person but particularly a man because we struggle with it the most. If a man wants to evolve, particularly he has to be aware, really aware of his emotions, if he wants to evolve as a man, if not, he’s gonna he’s gonna be like a dinosaur. And he’s gonna, you’re gonna die, he’s gonna, he’s not gonna be able to keep up with evolution does so so I mean, look, I

Brandon Handley 41:05
mean, there’s, what you’re saying is there’s there’s a lot of power in feeling that emotion and recognizing it, what’s what’s, uh, what’s like the first tool that you give to a man who’s just trying to figure out his emotions.

Kiko Ellsworth 41:18
Uh, it all It all depends where he’s at, you know, for me, it’s,

Brandon Handley 41:23
I’m in off the streets, and I, I’m tough as hell, and I don’t have any emotions. So what’s, uh,

Kiko Ellsworth 41:30
yeah, yeah. Well, I think the first thing is having a real conversation to acknowledge that everybody has emotions. And that, if you really are man, let’s say for example, I might be dealing with this stuff, too, right? It’s like, okay, so you’re man, you’re tougher. Right? So So when did you get hurt? So I know that cuz everybody gets hurt. You weren’t born? It’s where were you born this way. So where were you like before? You think that you didn’t have motions? When did you stop having emotions? Look, your heart. Let’s be real. Let’s be tough about this. Who broke your heart, man, I don’t remember who broke my heart. And I’ll share, I’ll share myself and I might even tear up I because I need to create a space right for him. So he feels safe, I need to lead by example. Right? So I’ll create a space where he can start to see maybe himself in me. And then he can start to share himself. So he needs to learn how to explore the inner workings of his if several, he never felt safe to explore the inner workings of himself to reveal himself to himself, literally. That’s how he’s going to find him his strength. So, you know, some it’s, it’s, it’s, uh, you know, I don’t ever come out at the same way. And at the end of the day, I don’t go out just looking for men. They gotta want it themselves.

Brandon Handley 42:40
We look. Yeah, that’s I mean, that’s huge. Right. Gotta want it.

Kiko Ellsworth 42:48
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 42:48
I still, you know, I think that I’m not sure if you were like me. And, you know, when you first kind of had your moments of awakening moments, or you’re, you’re like, Hey, y’all are spiritual now. Right? Yeah. Like, like a, you know, it’s like I was. No, I’m

Kiko Ellsworth 43:05
not I’m not doing the drinkin and stuff.

Unknown Speaker 43:08
Already. Yeah, I’m

Brandon Handley 43:10
like, it’s old school, right? Like, quite literally, like, I’m like, Hey, y’all, let’s go streak in, right. And everybody’s like, nobody’s coming with me. But that’s okay. But you know, there’s also that point where you realize, like, you were talking earlier, it’s, it’s your own experience, and everybody else is having their own experience. And you got to want it, right, you got to be looking for it in order to, to immediately if you’re not looking for it, you won’t find it right.

Kiko Ellsworth 43:35
At some point, you’re being selfish in that sense. You know, I’m gonna say it like that. You got to just start thinking about you. Because here’s the thing. Like, I might say this to a guy too. I might say this, like, Look, you’re gonna die, dude, you’re gonna die. One day, you’re gonna die. And you can either look back on your life because I believe we’re gonna be able to look back on our life. And no, we’re just gonna, you’re gonna know. And so like, you can live a life that you’re proud of. Right? And you can really have shown up in the best way that you can, or you can continue to, like, do what you’ve been doing. Right? Like we want to, we want to die proud. We want to challenge ourselves. We want to evolve ourselves as men, and be that and do the things that we need to say confront the fears, we need to say heal the relationships that we need to heal. You know, one of the most proud things I’m most proud of, is I you know, me and my dad I really was like over 30 years I healed my relationship with my dad. I created 100% peace with my dad. That was the relationship I did other ones too. You know, I’m saying but that was the one that was the one that was the monster that was the one I was most afraid of. That was the one that was the breakthrough. Right? What

Brandon Handley 44:39
was what was what made it the monster like I mean, what was what was it that you know, what was the wall like?

Kiko Ellsworth 44:46
Because I was afraid of my dad. I was afraid of my dad. You know, growing up. That was where a lot of the abuse happened to alcohol the the manipulation the that sort of thing you don’t I’m saying I was afraid of my dad. He was the big bad monster. You know what I’m saying? I’m walking on eggshells being afraid It all started with, like, you know, my dad, you know, and now you know, but my dad, at the time when he had me when he was so young, right, I don’t blame my dad, you know, like, but for me for being a young boy and and then having your dad, your hero, that figure and then being afraid of that, and then you have and then having to overcome that your entire life. You know, I’m saying that’s that’s like the big bad monster. So for me to, you know, when I was engaging in the world The reason why I didn’t have my voice and the reason why I was afraid is because I was initially afraid of my dad.

Unknown Speaker 45:32
Yeah, well, I

Kiko Ellsworth 45:32
mean, that’s why I was afraid to the entire world. Yeah, cuz.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah. So I mean, I didn’t mention it. But my first my first foray into doing the podcast was fatherhood stuff, right? covering the fatherhood space, right? Just understanding how important that is to have somebody that does the first stop. Right, your first office at home? Yep. Right. And so having to deal with a father like that, that tells you a lot, right, and what you had to overcome. So I mean, that’s powerful that you did it, like, what do you do? You know, what do you attribute the largest of it, you know, kind of overcoming it just all the work that you did on yourself and fully accepting him for who he was? And, you know, what, what was the final breakthrough for you?

Kiko Ellsworth 46:13
I think, you know, it’s interesting. My own dedication to myself, being selfish, wanting to be just the best version of myself, helped me to be the person I need to be to really make that job happen. That’s one thing, right. And then along the path, I realized that I was in a Iosco ceremony, you know, one of these Iosco ceremonies, I’ve done like a lot of those, right. And in one of these ceremonies, I wrote down two words, I wrote down, Hey, Dad, that’s all I wrote down. Because at that point, when I was in that, in the middle of that, I realized that if I could just say to my dad, Hey, Dad, with an open heart, peaceful, love, I realized that’s what I wanted. And I didn’t realize it. And many of us men don’t realize we like oh, or woman or whatever, like, I’m cool. I’m cool. Just being over here. At the end of the day, I just like I challenge you, that we all really do want it, we might not think that it’s possible, there might be a lot of pain, there might be we might have given up hope, we might not have the tools, we might not have developed ourselves enough. That might be looking like a big 30 foot 100 foot wall 20 feet thick, it might look impossible. That said, the child inside of us still wants that peace, wants that relationship still wants something healthy. And I think that we have an opportunity, we might not have been able to do it as a child. But we have an opportunity if we actually get the tools and the resources to be able to actually create that some of us got a really it took me 30 years, you got to fight for that. And then gonna be easy, right? You might not, you might never get the response that you need. But it’s not about that always, it’s really about like healing this up in here. And let me tell you, when I finally broke through to my dad, Yo, I found it I put it like this. I had there was like three, not physical fights. But there was three fights with my dad like emotional fights. The first one was like an explosion of volcanoes all over the place. crying tears, I remember was like, in the beginning, it was like in the middle of an alley dives, I got out the middle of his truck. And I was yelling at him. And it was just, it was all over the place. A second one. Same thing, but not as intense, right. Third time was same thing. definitely like it was like about 25% and intense. But I was much more in control with my tools and how to show up. And it was like, it was like I had to manage my ego and my spirit manages, right, keep him so he wasn’t able to like run away and get out of the situation. And you know, hit it over here with my ego, maybe confront him with something and then speak my heart and then do this but and then also not be emotionally attached to what was going on with him. But be my own. It was there, then and then it was like and then it was like I remember the moment then he sat down. I’m not gonna tell you some Look, look. It’s like Scarface waving a little white flag. never see that happen ever. So you’re going to shoot me like I’m going out with it’s like right? See, my dad at that time. Put it to sit down was like seeing having Scarface surrender. And I remember in that moment, everything changed. because something happened that I didn’t even know that I was looking for and my dad Man, he spoke to me in a tone that that I hadn’t heard like, in 40 years. Since I was a boy since I was like five. And a part that that little boy inside of me was like, I remember him. Yeah. I remember that voice. Yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t. I wasn’t available for it in all the stuff that had happened throughout life, and all this stuff. But that didn’t change the fact that when I heard that voice, that’s what I wanted to hear.

Brandon Handley 50:35
Yeah. Yeah. I love that man. Yeah, you were able to just kind of get back to to the space, right? Where is just the two of you. You know, there’s that Father, Son and father child bond. I mean, look, you’ve got your daughter, right. I don’t know if you’ve got any other children. But there’s that bond and do when when you’re given all of your heart guests. And that’s kind of a tone that you heard from your father, right? Like, get the unconditional love of a father and a child. And that’s what had been missing for you for so long.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:05
Yeah, yeah. And as soon as I broke through with my dad, I was able to connect with my daughter at a deeper level, because I had a block with my daughter.

Unknown Speaker 51:14
Yeah,

Kiko Ellsworth 51:15
up until that point, when I broke through with my dad, I broke through with my daughter. And she also established a connection with him because she was like, disconnected from him, too. And I was wondering what was happening. And I was like, I want to be more connected. But it’s not. That happened. It just started flowing.

Brandon Handley 51:32
There it is. There it is, man, I love it. So you know, you’ve got this, you’ve got training, you’ve got courses, where, you know, you’re working with other people, I believe, you know, that you’re also getting back into some acting right? You’re getting back to work?

Unknown Speaker 51:48
Well, in front of the camera, we’ll get in front of the camera. Okay. All right. All right.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:54
Yes. Is back for sure. Most definitely, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 51:58
so forth, we expect to see you this year.

Kiko Ellsworth 52:03
You know, this is what matters most right here having these conversations. And, you know, this, it starts with, like, it has been starting with, like these sorts of podcasts and these sorts of interviews. You know, I walked away from entertainment, because I didn’t, I didn’t have anything of value, in my opinion, to talk about, that truly matter, anything that I felt where I had a real foundation to stand upon. But being able to talk about things like my relationship with my father, now I got something to talk about. For me. That’s the stuff that matters in life. That’s the stuff that matters when we are on our deathbed when we’re transitioning and going back to our home, right? That’s the type of stuff that we can be proud of, you know, so, you know, starts with like this, I’m doing some a lot of public speaking. This this year as well, too. It might not be this particular year, like in TV or film. But that that will likely happen in the next like two years or so. What I’m what I’m doing is I’m getting back in front of the camera in ways that are most meaningful. And my job is just to listen to spirit, and to do and to go where spirit guides me. And like right now it has me speaking with you. And I’m so blessed to be here with you, brother. I’m so appreciative of you and holding the space spiritual dope podcast. Thank you to you and your listeners, man. And I’m just you know, I’m just grateful man. Yeah, thank you.

Brandon Handley 53:30
I’m so appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you right to get to connect. And to be able to use a platform like this to do that. Right. So where can I send people then to connect with you? Where should we Where should we go? Get us some more Kiko?

Kiko Ellsworth 53:43
Your Yeah, um, you can find me on Instagram. It’s just Kiko Ellsworth KKOELL sw rth. On Instagram and everything is like you can find everything that I do. They’re awesome.

Brandon Handley 53:56
Well Kiko thank you so much again, man. You know, I’m sure most of people know you know, novice days is is is what it means to say, you know, I salute the Divinity within you. So I salute the Divinity with

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Mikal Shumate grew up in a blue-collar family, served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, and worked in the construction industry for over 45 years before retiring. He holds a certification in interpersonal and trans-person counseling, and is an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer. A lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness lead Mikal to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now pass on to others within the pages of “Blue-Collar Enlightenment”

Connect with Mikal at LoveLightConsciousness.com !

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope this is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Michael Shumate, who grew up in a blue collar family and served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War. He’s also worked in the conduct construction industry for over 45 years before he retired. He holds a certification and interpersonal and transpersonal counseling and as an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer, after a lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness, he was led to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now passes on to others within his new book, blue collar enlightenment, Michael, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Mikal Shumate 0:51
Thank you. I’m doing well.

Brandon Handley 0:54
Fantastic. Awesome. So I’d love to start these off with the idea that you and I are basically, you know, we’re conduits for source energy, right? And, and we, you know, something’s flowing through us, you and I, today through this podcast is hitting somebody’s ears, or maybe a video depending on what they watch the video, but there’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 1:26
That

Mikal Shumate 1:28
it is possible to live life in a peaceful and happy state of consciousness where you’re not stressed, and you can achieve anything you really want to achieve.

Brandon Handley 1:51
So I think that’s a I think that’s a powerful message. Right? And, and, you know, you build out this system for it. But even before we kind of get there, let’s go, you know, what are some of the, you know, the, I’d be curious about what is even a spiritualist minister, right, and just kind of let’s talk a little bit about your path and how you got to where you are today. So in in regards to even being the spiritualist minister, what would you tell me that is, and what’s that mean?

Mikal Shumate 2:19
Well, early, early in my life, I had a number of experiences they had to do with people that I knew or people that I met. The most profound was a woman named Nancy Cappy who actually, at the time that I met her, I was a young man in my late teens, and she worked with my mother at the time in are in the same company, and they knew each other, so they and we also had a group of friends and things like that for the family. And so she was part of that network. And she did what are called reads. Okay, well, readings, you know, in most terms are, are seen as being psychic readings, she was psychic, but with a very definitive methodology. And her her method was Auric reading. So she would read the energy fields around your body. And she, I mean, she was she was one of these people that was born that way. You know, and she just, she just over her lifetime learned until she got to the point where that’s all she did was, was her work by reading orders. And she, she had a profound effect upon me. I came home I was in, just joined the Navy. I came home on leave. And our neighbor, Latasha comes by and says, You got to go down and see Nancy. So why would you know, she’s doing readings down here and was in San Diego. She’s down here at the waterfront, and you need to get out and see her. Well, okay. Don’t What else you got to do, you know? So I found a hotel room down on the waterfront where she had rented a room it was giving readings. And I walked in and she looked up and saw me and she just kind of stared at me for a minute. And then she finished what she was talking about. And then she says, may I come to you? I had no idea what she was talking about at the time. So she said, Yeah, okay. And so she, she told me things about myself. And two profound things stuck with me out of that. One of those was that I needed to learn how to separate my work life. from my home life. A lot of people bring their work home with them. And she told me, it would be very important for me to separate that. Which I learned to do. And in fact I do, I learned it so well that I would tell myself as soon as I get home, I need to call so and so and I wouldn’t remember until the next morning. So it’s, you know, so that separation was important. And then she also then exposed me to the idea that there was something else beyond what I had learned in my life. That all fell into the category of spirituality. In spiritualism itself, to answer your question is the study of psychic phenomena, the study of energetics that are beyond our normal, day to day process. And what it did for me was, it inspired me to, to wonder about and seek to, to refine and define and understand what consciousness is. So I had like, two, two operations going on in my life, I had my, my, my work, business, all that sort of thing. And then on the other side of it, I had my quest to learn about spirituality and consciousness. And, and then, of course, that evolved over the process of time. And we’re talking about, you know, a 50, year 5050 plus year process, actually, over 60 years, almost 60 years process, to try to figure out, you know, who I am and what I am and who we are, and what we are, and that sort of thing, in my book is the culmination of that process up to the point I wrote a book, because consciousness and awareness is not something that you just reach it reach an endpoint, and that’s it. No, it’s not like, it’s not like, okay, your body has

reached its limit, and you drop the body and whatever happens after that, right. So it’s not like it’s not terminal. Yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 7:26
I get that for sure. Sure. Just to jump in real quick. You know, we’re already got a little bit to unpack there, Michael. So before we, before we get too far along there, right. I love what you’re saying there in terms of, you know, there is, I mean, there may seem to be points where there’s a plateau, but it’s still ongoing, right? Even if it levels off, it’s still expanding that that consciousness that you’re talking about, right? Yes. And my

Mikal Shumate 7:49
experience is that we, that it’s like a ladder, you you expand, you reach a point, and you stabilize it, that area, you in my experience, I would like have what they would call a colic cathartic experience of reaching a plateau. And then that experience then becomes normal. And it’s like, okay, at that time, you know, it’s like, You’re full of Listen, you’re full of joy, and it’s just this wonderful thing. And then, and then that just kind of becomes ordinary. And then as you grow, then you step up again, and it’s just a continuous process of that. Enlightenment is not a endpoint, it is a actually a beginning point of the understanding of the totality of your consciousness.

Brandon Handley 8:42
Can I tell you how frustrated I was with that one, right? Because, you know, as I as I look back on my experience, right, kind of mine was kind of a sudden, sudden thing, right? Kind of, like, I would liken it to a discarded seed that just goes ahead and sprouts anyways. Right? And and really, there was no stopping it. So you just kind of like, Oh, well, great. This is amazing. And then it’s taken me personally about three years to kind of understand what’s going on, try to verbalize it and really develop it. It’s like, just like literally like being reborn, right? There’s this whole there’s a whole new language that I don’t understand, or I understand but I’m looking for the language to to encompass the experience. Right. So when you know when so you’ve got this you got this lady, right? What What is it that makes you even believe her right at that time, because she’s telling us some things. I’m gonna you know, your your your your, you know, late, late to your late teens or early 20s I’m guessing and what makes you believe her that what she’s telling you is something that’s even worth pursuing.

Mikal Shumate 9:55
Well, my attitude is I am I am a A dyed in the wool skeptic. So you can, I will listen to whatever you have to say. And then I will look into the world and see if that’s valid for me or not. And so what what happened with me was, you know, a number of things that she talked about kind of resonated. And okay, well, let’s, let’s just see what this is. And actually what happened was, after I, after I got out of the Navy, I went into college. And after going to college, I came back to my hometown of Encinitas, California. And there was a place there called the chapel of awareness that I happen to just walk by one day and see Oh, no, and, you know, it’s like, you know, your your, if you allow yourself to be spirit will drive you to wherever it is that you need to be. So,

Brandon Handley 11:03
agreed with that real quick there. You know, what, what would you say specifically resonated with with you? I know, it’s been a while, right. But you said a few things she’d said resonated. And I’m just curious what those resignation points were?

Unknown Speaker 11:16
Well,

Mikal Shumate 11:20
gee, it’s, I mean, you’re talking.

Brandon Handley 11:23
As I say, look, if you can’t remember, if it’s I get it, but you know, that was this kind of the question that popped up in my mind, you know, what are these? What are some of the sticking points?

Mikal Shumate 11:31
Yeah, I think, you know, the, the, looking at that process, because that was just a step. You don’t know, it’s just one step in a whole lifetime of steps. But I did, I did study spiritual ism, which is that study of psychic phenomena and, and contact with just disconnected, you know, disembodied souls and that sort of thing. And a lot of other things, which is a very primal level kind of experience, you don’t have to be highly spiritually evolved, to be able to connect into that frequency of energy, you just have to have that resonance in you, that resonates with you know, whatever it is that you’re you’re trying to connect with. Like that. For me, for me, it’s a very, was a very primal level kind of thing. And there’s a whole lot more stuff, the increases with frequency as your

Brandon Handley 12:38
frequency goes up. And I think that i think that’s interesting, too. Even going back to kind of, you know, the, the kind of awakening experience, right, where the awakening or the initial enlightenment isn’t, isn’t the end point, right? That’s, it’s kind of ongoing, whereas even Alright, well, hey, here it is, I’ve awakened, not only have I awakened, now, I feel this the source energy flowing through me right now. Now, what I’m hearing you say, is that you don’t even have to be like that elevated or, you know, you don’t have to be that deep end to be able to do that right to connect with sources that what you’re saying, like, you know,

Mikal Shumate 13:18
we’re not talking about connecting with source we’re talking about connecting with, with the spiritual entities.

Brandon Handley 13:24
Okay. would you would you define things?

Mikal Shumate 13:28
Well, the requirement, as I’ve come to learn, okay, the requirement is that you need to resonate at the same frequency, it is true, all the way up the scale, you want to resonate with your higher self, you have to bring your vibration, so to speak, you know, that’s the term that was used when I was a kid, you know, you got to raise your vibration,

Brandon Handley 13:50
it’s back Michael, just say no, it’s it’s all it’s all coming back, right. It’s a cycle a cycle of things.

Mikal Shumate 13:58
So so it’s like, you know, the higher you raise your vibration that gives you the ability to connect out to other intelligence at that vibration, because we are in we are in we have been divided there. There. There has been definition stated that we have that we have dimensions of existence, like the third dimension is the primal dimension of existence on Earth, right. Raising that vibration of Earth up to the fourth fifth dimension is now what what’s being called, you know, the evolution of humanity. A lot of things come together as you gather pieces of the puzzle. And so what happened for me was I spent pretty much my lifetime gathering pieces of the puzzle. And about three years ago, three, four years ago, it all kind of coalesced and children came together and I had a much clearer Understanding of a much larger picture. And that’s really where where my book takes people is how to get yourself into that state of being. So that you can, as you say, connect with source, because ultimately, everyone is connected to source,

Brandon Handley 15:23
for sure, for sure, for sure, right? It’s not that you’re not connected to source, it’s your ability to recognize your connection with source or your awareness or, you know, kind of, you know, listen, so my mom, I was born in late 70s. My mom, you know, in San Francisco, right? So I’ve got a little bit of background in tuned in what does it tuned in turned on or whatever? Tune into now, whatever you tune in, drop out, whatever, you know, so there it is, right. There it is. Right. So the language right there, you know, is it right? It’s already kind of in existence, kind of like there’s already like a radio tower out there. All we got to do is dial into it. Right. And, and just recognize it. And and I think you would you say that you’ve got to want it, which you’ve got to say that you’ve got to be willing to receive it, that type of thing?

Mikal Shumate 16:15
Well, I yes, I think I think there are exceptions to people that with people that actually came in to, specifically to do that kind of connection. But for most people, you you meet, you need to be drawn into the what I would call it spiritual curiosity. Okay, so if you’re, if you’re, if you’re, if you wonder, what is this? And you know, I mean, I would think that a majority of people wonder about, you know, why they’re here on this planet at this time, and what their purpose in life is, and, and such like that, you know, the big existential questions that people have, but I think that the basis of all evolution is spiritual curiosity, that you want, you have a, you have an innate internal sense that there is something else and you want to find out what that something else is. And it can be drawn, you know, depending on your state of evolution, it can be drawn into a religious movement, you can be drawn into, you know, higher consciousness type movements, you can be drawn into meditation, you can be drawn into all kinds of things. I mean, there’s 7 billion people on the planet, and there’s 7 billion ways in which we can access this information. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 17:44
100%. And that’s why like, I was definitely catching, catching your language saying, Hey, this is what you know, in my experience, this is what’s been valid for me. Right, I’m hearing you say that. But what I think is also interesting, too, is that, you know, so here you are, you’re, you know, you’re in the military, how long were you in the military? And, and kind of what was your experience while you were seeking through that we sharing your experiences of seeking through that? Or was that kind of a solo experience for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 18:14
I was in the military for three years, nine months at 26 days. Counting, right, so I did a minority term where I enlisted when I was 17. And I got out on my 21st birthday. So

Unknown Speaker 18:31
it was

Mikal Shumate 18:34
it was a process of working out. Or at least at least, the beginning of working out things from my childhood, in the military. It provided it provided a structure for me. It provided discipline,

Unknown Speaker 18:59
and

Mikal Shumate 19:02
gave me a chance to discover what I was capable of doing as a person. And that I was capable of going through this training and such like that. But more More importantly, what it was it was a mechanism for, for my future. In the fact that at the time, they had the GI Bill, well, they still have gi Yu GI Bill, but at the time. The GI Bill was very generous. And when I got out of the Navy, after about two years of, you know, flopping around and in society, I thought, you know, I want to I want to get an education, you know, I’d be the first person in my family to get a college education. And so the GI Bill help you do that. And, of course, when you go to college, what happens there is it’s not about necessarily the subject matter. It’s about the exposure to all the different things That at that time was probably the best way to broaden your horizons to expand your perspective on the world. Nowadays with the internet, it’s a whole different story, because there’s so much information available on the internet that you have a world education, you know, just by sitting in your, in your home, you know, but for me at that time, that was a, it was a mechanism that took me in to set me up for how I was going to operate in the business world and make a living and that sort of thing, at the same time, giving me opportunities, because where I went to school was up in the Monterey Peninsula for two years, and then up in Sonoma State University, for another three years. It gave me an opportunity to be exposed to a lot of different things, culturally different people, and become aware of other types of spiritual movements. It was a time of the Maharishi doing his thing. So I got exposed to that I got exposed to people that were interested in different spiritual paths, different gurus and things like that, because it was a lot of influence from the east coming in, at the time. So in that in those five, six years that I was hanging around in that environment, I got exposed to a lot of different philosophies, a lot of different perspectives and things like that. And each one of those things, gave me a piece of the puzzle.

Brandon Handley 21:38
Sure, sure. And that’s pretty cool. How you’re the first you like that you’re the first new college, college graduate, right? And in your family taking kind of advantage of that mechanism for a future, let’s talk about, like, how you’re talking about the idea of, you know, going in getting that education, but the education, you know, and, you know, like, you keep saying, you know, in my experience, right, and my experience, you know, going back to school, after you’ve had some world experience makes that education a little bit, a little bit more applicable, right. If you just go from if you just go from school to school, you’re just continuously learning, you don’t have some real world application. So what you’re sharing is that you were able to go, you know, finish up school, go to the military, you know, like you said, flop around a little bit. And then when you went back to school, you were able to kind of learn some things that you could actually apply to the real world. Is that how I’m picking that up? Yeah. And then it’s pretty neat. Like how you were exposed to all these different types of new philosophies or philosophies. I think that during during the time that you were growing up in that period where we’re new to the United States, right? Yes. What was your What was your personal background prior to even jumping into these these Eastern philosophies? Were you a Christian?

Mikal Shumate 23:04
Yeah, we was Catholic. I’m the old guy. So I’m the oldest of nine children. Guess what, guess what religion? We were. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 23:16
Right. That’s fair. So it wasn’t Mormon. Yes. Were you? Did you know? Did you break away from that faith while you’re studying all these others, to go off on your own and figure it out yourself?

Mikal Shumate 23:28
Actually, I broke away from from Catholicism when I was about seven years old. that I had, I had an experience that kind of made me stop and think and look, it’s like, you know, this has always been part of my character to, you know, wonder about things. So, one Sunday, we were getting ready to leave for church. And I think we were there was like, four or five children in the family at that time. And I just put on Sunday clothes, all the good clothes and all that sort of thing. And I and I would walk it outside. I was I’m six foot five now, which is shrunk from six foot six. And I was so I was a tall, gangly, uncoordinated kid. And I stumbled on the way out, stepping down the porch, and skinned my knee. And I tore my pants. And my father just got furious with me about it. And I couldn’t understand why he was so mad about it. No, it wasn’t that I tore my new clothes and things. He says, We can’t go to church with you looking like that. And I thought, why not? Because why does Why does God care what I look like? And that just started me looking seriously at Catholicism and things. You know, and religions in general, over over my lifetime to see what it is that you know, that was that made sense of what didn’t make sense. And so that was that was that was the initial point right there that was early in my life.

Brandon Handley 25:16
Yeah, I mean, that’s definitely young to be breaking away from your own kind of foundations right or even your family structure. So that’s pretty cool. Let’s, um, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, the idea that you’ve got this mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, right, let’s talk a little bit about maybe what we can find inside of the book, blue collar, enlightenment.

Mikal Shumate 25:36
Okay, well, the, the, the essential point is that the, there’s a, there’s a whole process that I go through in the book to get to this point, but the essential point is, is that the, the best state of being is to be present. Totally present for the experience of your life. And what keeps us from being present is our memories, which are, which we indulge in the thoughts of our past, actions and, and, and things like that. And that’s most its most destructive and most seriously understood. If you think about times, when things that happen to you, and it just rolls around in your head and rolls around and just won’t let go will leave you alone, it just, you’re just stuck back there at that moment in time. Well, the past is the past, it’s gone, there’s nothing you can do to change it, you can reiterate yourself experience within your mind as long as you want, it’s not going to change anything in the future hasn’t happened yet. So that’s it, that’s a you know, the reality is, is that we live our life, in moments by moments by moments. And so if we can be present for the moment, then what happens is everything changes because at that point, we are connected to our core self. And we are able to be guided to that thing, which is the most appropriate for us to be

Brandon Handley 27:31
what would you say some of the mechanisms are specifically to stay president way? How do you how do you break out of, of, you know, living in the past or in the future and bringing yourself to be fully present?

Mikal Shumate 27:44
Well, it is a it is a actually a very simple thing that is hard to do. That’s what I find about the truth about most things is they’re very simple. It’s just that they seem to be hard to do. So what I was, you know, I I trained in for about 10 years in India, learning different kinds of meditations and processes and things like that. And one of the most influential people on that kind of brought me to the Enlightenment moment was a couple of people called, well, it started out with oneness universities, where I studied with Sri Bhagwan Shri Rama were the founders of that his son tree mine stopped.

Unknown Speaker 28:45
You can just go with a son,

Mikal Shumate 28:47
he and his wife prekmurje have taken over the, you know, the university and combine their operations to into what’s called

Unknown Speaker 29:06
one one world Academy.

Mikal Shumate 29:12
It doesn’t make any difference. What what he what he showed me was that there are only two states of being that you can possibly be in. You’re either in, you’re in a state of being happy or you’re in a state of being stressed. So, understanding that what isn’t if you take a look at what is it you can do for yourself to resolve stress in your life. The most effective thing that you can do is calm the mind. And how you learn to calm the mind. The best way that I know is to learn how to be silent, which is is what is what we call it meditation. Okay, so if you if you Put yourself in a position where you can be called, where you can slow your process down. And your awareness can watch the mind, then what happens when you start watching the mind is it starts, it doesn’t like to be watched. So it will stop chitter chattering, in this stopping chitter chatter will happen a little bit at a time. And as you persist in the process, it becomes more and more and more until you can sit and be in silence. In in when you’re sitting in Venus as your total awareness and experience of what of what is there for you. And that’s, that’s how you get to that point. After that, it’s, you know, there’s all kinds of things that can happen for you, who become aware of, in fact, you know, science is actually catching up with spirituality now. They’re, they’re aware that everything in the universe is connected. Well, all of us are connected to each other. What I do affects you, what you do affects me on some, at some degree in some level. And so when we’re able to be in that space of silence, we’re able to be in a place of total connectivity. And therefore we have access to the field of consciousness, which then can out of which we can then create whatever it is that we want. The reality is, is that we’re doing that all the time. We just don’t know that. That’s the we’re creating our life. We’re, you know, as they say, we’re co creators of the experience.

Brandon Handley 31:51
Yeah. 100%. I think that were, I love that you got the opportunity to spend, you know, 10 years in India, right. Do you think I mean, just out of curiosity, do you think that your experience is still possible for somebody else today? To go back? Well,

Mikal Shumate 32:06
it wasn’t 10 continuous years, it was over a period of 10 years. Okay, gotcha,

Brandon Handley 32:11
gotcha. Well, I mean, even

Mikal Shumate 32:15
the most time I spent there was like about six weeks. Okay. Is it possible? Absolutely. Okay. You know, it given the current pandemic condition, we have to get through that. And then once we travel again, right, yes. All those things in India are still there, right? If you feel drawn to that,

Brandon Handley 32:36
right. 100% 100% I mean, you’re you’re out there. I think Monterey is got some places out there. I was just out there in LA not too long ago, where they’ve got the Self Realization Foundation, right. Yogananda

Mikal Shumate 32:51
fellowship,

Brandon Handley 32:52
fellowship. That’s,

Mikal Shumate 32:53
that’s in Encinitas. That’s where I used to live.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Yes. I mean, you’re right down. Did you did you did you spend some time there? So, okay, I mean, yeah. Okay.

Mikal Shumate 33:02
Most, most the time it was my biggest exposure was when I was young, you know, and we actually we, it’s, it’s actually, there’s a state park there called Swamis beach. And that’s, that that’s because the locals used to call the place to Swamis place, you know? Who was there? Yeah. pazza Yogananda was a great influence on me very early in my life. Okay, his

Brandon Handley 33:31
book, right? I actually just ordered it. I’ve never read it. And I said, Fine. You know, I’ll go ahead and read it. Yeah, it’s, um, I don’t know if you know this, but Steve Jobs actually handed out that book on his deathbed. So what was the Yeah, Steve Jobs died. He gave everybody in attendance, a copy of that book?

Mikal Shumate 33:49
Yeah. So I thought that was it. There’s a lot of there’s a lot to be learned from that. That’s one of the one of the things that I read when I was younger, right.

Brandon Handley 34:02
You talked about, you know, just jumping back a little bit in the in being in the military, and processing, like kind of some childhood stuff. Was there anything like in there? What would you say you had the process? to kind of get through that, how did you do it?

Unknown Speaker 34:22
Well,

Mikal Shumate 34:32
this is a lot of things. Probably just, it just, it just gave me an opportunity to grow up, you know, to to transition out of childhood behaviors into a more disciplined adult behavior. At the same time, I recognized after a couple of years, that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this. So I knew that Did you know that this was just a one time thing, it really was an opportunity for me to get away from home. My father was very abusive. When, when I got big enough that I could square off against them, he stopped being physically abusive to me, and just mentally abusive to me. And actually, it was so, so intense that I actually left home. When I was 16 years old, I left home. And but, you know, after a few months, out there on your own living at friends, homes, and that sort of thing, you know, it’s like, oh, what are you gonna do with your life? Boy? Well, that’s what I say, Well, you know, I could join the Navy.

Brandon Handley 35:49
Nice, nice. Well, look, I mean, you got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good for you to kind of kind of get out of there and away from that, right, split off from there. And I’m sure that that has a lot to do with what you needed to process kind of going counter that. And even kind of going forward, right? That’s not the type of thing that just that just falls away super easily. So thanks for Thanks for answering that one. You know, you talk about the calming the mind silent meditation. And I’m just trying to imagine you out there working in the construction industry, pausing in the middle of the day, taking some deep breaths and saying no mistake or something like that. How did that how, how were you able to, you know, weave this into practical application on the job and that sort of thing. Just curious how it shows up there for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 36:36
it’s not like it was a continuous day to day process for most of my life. Once, once you achieve the ability to do this, then it’s fairly easy to exist in that state. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have thoughts that the, the achievable goal is, like 70 to 80% of the time, you’re in this state of presence, not 100% of the time, if I was there, 100% of the time, I probably would have no reason to stay here. You know, if I drop the body and go do something else. Yeah. Right. But so it’s not like it’s all the time and it we’re talking about a process here for me, that has spanned a period of Firstly, 60 years. Michael, would

Brandon Handley 37:40
you say there’s any way to accelerate that,

Mikal Shumate 37:42
I would say that now is the time to accelerate that, that that it is the energy and everything is changed the dynamic, the the the the push for ascension into higher dimensions and things like that, have brought in an opportunity for people to, to make these transformations in their life, and do it in a very short period of time.

Brandon Handley 38:10
What would you say? There’s evidence of that, right? Where, where? Where would somebody See that? I guess, what’s the basis of that statement for you?

Mikal Shumate 38:18
Well, it has to do with all the people I’m in contact with, and the things that I am continuously studying. But also from, from my experience, because it didn’t all come together for me until, you know, 20 2017 2018 that’s when I had my transformational experience. And, and discovered what this actually feels like. I mean, you know, this is really, we’re talking about, we’re talking about the mechanism for, for experience on this planet is feeling. So, you know, you pay attention to your feelings and how you feel how you how your body feels, how your attitude is, and you can accelerate this process now. And the only way that you’re going to know how long that’s going to take is to start doing it. But I’m, I’m very confident in in my observation of my environment and my experiences out in the world these days. shows me that yes, it’s possible to make these transformations and make it you don’t need to spend

Unknown Speaker 39:43
years in India

Mikal Shumate 39:44
a lifetime or you don’t need to spend lifetimes doing

Brandon Handley 39:47
this. Sure. Sure. You got a couple things in there that that are intriguing to me, right. One is that you’re an older male, right? And and, you know, born born and raised Western civilization, a different generation. And it’s this idea of males dealing and with their feelings, right? How did you kind of come about that spot yourself to say, holy shit, I gotta I gotta pay attention to my feelings. Right? This is, this is this is the key. And then you know, so finding that key. So it’s like you find the key, and you’re looking for a lock, right? You’re like, you’re like, holy shit, here it is, the feeling is the key. What does this unlock and sounds like that, that unlocks this kind of an ongoing, enlightening experience, but just I just want to hear how you were able to get there and especially share it out with the males out there? Well,

Mikal Shumate 40:45
I have to say, first of all, I have been very emotionally aware, from very early in life. A lot of emotion was not very positive emotion. But it, it my awareness of how it affects my body and such like that. I’ve been aware of that for a long time, I consider myself to be very male, female, balanced. It’s, I’m unusual for males. Most, most, most people are one way or the other. But I think that simply the process of being aware of what’s there and acknowledging the truth of what’s there is what transforms your ability to have, you know, a total experience.

Brandon Handley 41:55
Agreed, right, agreed 100%. But again, you know, it’s, I guess, how did you be? What do you have a point in your life where you feel like you were always kind of emotionally aware and how it was impacting your body? Your daily life? Isn’t a pinpoint for that, right? Because, again, this is something that I see over and over, especially in the western male civilization, right? Not understanding what emotions that they’re feeling to begin with, right, nor understanding, you know, kind of the impact on the body, right? The, you know, if we look at alchemy, right, we are walking chemical creation factories, right, and what we feel, creates those chemicals that impact our body that impact, you know, our magnetic field and resonance, right, and on and on and on. So my question to you again, is, was there a point where you said, This, is it right, or you began to recognize those feelings and emotions and the impact that they were having? Or is it just always innate for you? And that’s, that’s

Mikal Shumate 43:03
its primary, it’s primarily an eight. And there was a point where I recognize the impact of emotions on the body. And interestingly enough, it was when I was in college. It is one experience of many that stands out for me. I had been in a relationship and then had the gone through a relationship breakup. And it really hit my sore plexus. To the point where I had gut pain, like, I just couldn’t understand why, you know, it was just, the emotion was so intense. And interestingly enough, the solution was hugging a tree. Somebody told me, you know, yeah, tell me. Tell me, the trees, trees will help you release this emotion. So I said, Okay, fine. I, you know, I’ve had enough of this. And I found a nice, I think it was a nice redwood tree or something like that big

Brandon Handley 44:17
tree,

Mikal Shumate 44:18
and just grabbed the whole thing and then held on for an hour or so. And it actually worked.

Brandon Handley 44:25
Wow. Well, you know, I’ve definitely seen that type of thing. I’ve got a bunch of trees in my backyard. I’m like, I kind of want to go try it out myself. But I want to do it in private, right, like, Okay, this tree and I have a moment, please. So, I enjoy that. And I also just, I see a sea kind of, and I’m familiar with this type of someone’s this, this this gut punch right? Where your your feelings are just all centered right there. And just for that one moment, you’re kind of your hidden pain, right? That solar plexus, right? Yes, and there’s just there’s nothing but that moment which, in honesty, you know, if you, you know, if I reflect back on I’m like, there’s a moment where I was truly present to myself right truly present to what was happening within me. At that time, I wouldn’t have addressed it. In the same way, I would have just addressed it as this sucks. But at the same time, that’s what I was present for was just that feeling emotion and listening to my body. Right, and just kind of coming, you know, surrendering to that moment? space. So how can you use good ideas? If you’re going through this type of thing? Michael, just I mean, another one, if you said there was a keystone to your entire program, you know, sounds like sounds a little bit like, you know, calling the mind awareness be present? Are there any other key stones or just really revelatory moments? What do you do even recall? Like, when you recognize the whole puzzle had kind of come together for you? You know, you’re talking 2017 18 you’re like, Eureka.

Mikal Shumate 46:07
Well, yes, there, there was a thing I was. I was studying at the One World Academy. And, and they were taking us through a process. And that process was called

Unknown Speaker 46:31
the

Mikal Shumate 46:40
minds, the mind slips. Oh, mercy. Google, will be

Brandon Handley 46:55
able to edit that out. And yeah, just a space. But there’s a process that you were going through, you don’t remember a specific process? And that’s all right, can you talk a little bit about like, what happened during the process, and then maybe, what the well actually what

Mikal Shumate 47:09
happens, what happens in the process is they they take you through a meditation where your where your consciousness has expanded out into what they call the, the limitless field of consciousness. And you can, if you can experience that space, then what happens is, there is a space where there are no limitations. And if you can focus on one single thing and focus on a clear intention for that, then you can create that intention manifesting. So

Brandon Handley 47:59
do you have a recollection of maybe the first time you realize was this the first time you realize that you were capable of being the CO creator and manifesting those things? Or do you realize that before?

Mikal Shumate 48:11
Well, what manifested what made this sink in it actually like to be honest with you took me it took me months to really realize what had to happen. But at the time, I had a very serious cancer related growth on my cheek. It was it covered it covered a good portion of my cheekbone, and it was probably a couple inches in diameter. And so my, my wish my intention was that my face heel, and this, I mean, this looked like a charred burned mass on my face. And but we did that meditation is the great soul sync meditation. That’s what is called the great soul sync meditation. So available on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 49:08
We got that one out right now. Right? Hey, guys, here’s the secret. Oh, wait, I forget what it is. But good luck out there.

Mikal Shumate 49:17
Hey, I’m 75 years old. What do you want, you know? But anyway, that was about four days before the course ended. By the time I left, at the end of those four days, that great big mass had shrunk to about the size of a dime. And three days after I got back home, which was about five days later, it was completely healed, because I had an appointment with my dermatologist. And he looked at that and he said, My God is incredible. And so it’s like okay, Miracle, right? Well, we can create miracles. And that’s when I discovered that process and what it felt like to be connected into that space. I mean, this is the most important thing is what what it felt like. Because when you have a feeling, you now have something you can relate to other than just a thought. So you can, you can be aware of that thing when you when you get back there again, you go, Okay, I’m back here again,

Brandon Handley 50:38
Michael, what’s up? What’s the miracle feeling? Right? Like, I mean, what does that feel like? Tell us a little about

Mikal Shumate 50:43
that. It’s, it’s, uh, it was, it was, it was a soul premiere, it was a slow dawning process, that of what actually happened after I had a few months to, to, you know, live with it, and be aware of it and have people talking to me about it, and that sort of thing. And, and it’s kind of like, okay, yeah, this is something that is possible. And, from that, in the experience of learning how to meditate to the point where I can slow down in inactive consciousness where I can be present, you know, those things came all out of that experience. And for me, it’s, it’s a, it’s easy to recognize when my thoughts are running. And I can stop the train. And I can be present, I can move, actually, you know, I mean, this is, this also involves some physical awareness in the heart is the key to the whole thing. So it’s like, there is a, that’s where our connection to sources, there’s a little, little tiny space in the heart, where that little spark of of source resides in us. And so connecting with that source connecting with that spot, and you’re able to do that by being present, you’ve moved, you can actually, actually, you can move your consciousness anywhere in your physical body that you want. I don’t know how much time we have. But I, I learned, I learned that when I went through the string, II St. Earhart seminar training back in the 70s, early 80s. We had an instructor who had a scar on his face, and it was an ugly scar. And he says, I’m going in this weekend to have had this scar produced fixed. He says, I’m going to do it without anesthesia. And he says, and that’s because if you because I know that if you put your consciousness right there at the point of pain, pain has the job is to tell you that something’s going on here that needs your attention. If you put your attention there, if you put your awareness and your consciousness at that point, he will not hurt to pain will have recognized pain will recognize that it’s done its job and it will not hurt. This guy did that process, I discovered the truth of that as, as in most things, through my own experience, when I cut myself and slice my finger in, you know, a work related kind of thing. And, you know, I bashed it, it was throbbing in it, so it’s okay. Little mind pops up and says, Well, what about that thing? That guy said, Oh, well, let’s try that. Okay, so I just focused my attention, put my awareness and my consciousness into that point. And it’s not hurting. Because it Okay, this works.

Brandon Handley 53:52
Right, this works. And I think that I think that a lot of times, right? It’s, it’s when somebody tells you something like that, or teaches you, you know, you kind of want to call bs you like, I will bs until you actually experience it yourself. Right. And it’s one of those things that can only happen internally, and it’s subjective. So it’s difficult for somebody else to outside of you believe that right? unless they’ve had that experience themselves.

Mikal Shumate 54:21
Yeah, I think I think it’s where healthy skepticism comes in.

Unknown Speaker 54:24
We don’t for sure,

Mikal Shumate 54:25
allow the possibility that this thing may be, in fact true. But don’t just become a believer actually branch out and be in become a knower right

Unknown Speaker 54:41
now and yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 54:42
this thing is true. For sure, for sure. You know, when you’re talking about being a co creator, you know, I was definitely skeptical of that kind of thing before until, you know, I’ve had some experiences myself where there’s just been co creation, right, like, Wow, I can’t believe that happened almost identically to What I saw my mind with great ease and just kind of showed up in my life. Right? And and that’s, I mean, it’s pretty crazy. And you have to be willing to look for it right? You have to kind of be willing to look for the evidence of that. And all those other things, one more thing for you kind of before we tie it up, right? This is the book is for ordinary people. Right? And I’m just curious what you mean by ordinary people,

Mikal Shumate 55:26
people that have no spiritual training, particularly spiritual training. I try to keep all the blue stuff out of the book. No, it’s because I don’t want to put people in a position where they have to decide whether this stuff is real or not, you know, I don’t want to turn people off, it’s a process a very simple process of understanding our relationship to our existence on this planet, and how we can change our experience of that get into the point where we’re living in that, what krishnaji calls a beautiful state as compared to be in a stressful state. So if you’re experiencing negative emotions, you’re angry, you’re, you’re sad, you’re having you know, those kinds of experiences, you’re stressed. That’s one way to live life. The other way to live life is to, to recognize that those things are just thoughts in your mind. And it’s not you. So that you can and then to recognize an experience that you can be something other than that. And, you know, most people have had some kinds of, you know, really positive experiences in their life that they can relate to, to that sense, that feeling of being that way. And in my book, I take you through all the background understanding of how to get to the point where you can know that this is possible, and then it’s up to you to to do it.

Brandon Handley 57:07
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. I love it, man. What you know, and why now? Right? Why? Why? Why this book? Why now for you?

Mikal Shumate 57:16
Just, it’s how it evolved?

Brandon Handley 57:18
Yeah. Okay,

Mikal Shumate 57:19
I gotta do what I got to the point where I, where I understood it. I just was, I was just was guided, to be honest with you, I was just guided to, okay. You know, I’ve been, I’ve been writing these pieces and things like that, you know. And now it’s time to put all this stuff together. And because as I go, as I go along, in my training and my experiences and things like that I you know, kept it not necessarily a journal, but I kept a log would write things, things would be inside ones be inspired by I’d write it down. And so all that stuff I brought together into the book, and even the name of the book came to me, you know, I was just like, I was told, look all enlightenment. Let’s, let’s name your book. Okay.

Brandon Handley 58:10
I think I think it’s a great name for the book. And I, you know, I’m pretty excited. I haven’t read it yet myself. But I think that I think that what you’re talking about is going to speak to the blue collar people to those ordinary people to somebody who’s maybe had one or two experiences and doesn’t know how to kind of pin it down, right doesn’t know how to recreate those experiences. And it sounds to me like, you’re helping someone to, again, decipher the mysteries, right? And some of those mysteries are what was that feeling that I was feeling and how did this happen? Right, and then being able to pin it down, recreate it and and implement it for the rest of their lives that said about what it boils down to?

Mikal Shumate 58:48
That’s it’s a path to do that. Yeah, for sure. Why can you just all you have to do is do the work?

Brandon Handley 58:54
Do the work, right. I mean, that’s, that’s all that’s always the challenge, right? That’s the challenge is actually doing the damn things. Right. Dude is a simple,

Mikal Shumate 59:02
simple process. That is hard to do. For sure. So this

Brandon Handley 59:07
helps you to do that. Where Where can I send people to find out more about you and this book?

Mikal Shumate 59:14
Okay, well, I have a website. It’s love, like consciousness.com. My book is available to my website. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available on Melbourne press, who is the publisher of it? And there’s a number of things on the website. recently have happened. articles that have been published and that sort of thing that might interest people.

Brandon Handley 59:43
Okay. Would you call those kind of just add ons to the book, right? Be like, hey, since I’ve written the book, you might want to you might you might want to find out about this. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Well, great supplemental material can be found on love, light and consciousness as well as the full book, Michael, I just want to say thank you so much. much for joining us today on spiritual dopes Ben great.

Mikal Shumate 1:00:03
Hey, if you send me a link, I’ll put it on my website.

Brandon Handley 1:00:07
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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What do you do when you are diagnosed with cancer?

Do you curl up and ask why God why?

Or do you look for ways to serve?

I have known Allan Dubon for quite some time now, a few years at least…

A year ago at this time, we touched base for a brief conversation, and he asked me what he could do for the podcast I had been working on… and while we chatted, he told me that he had Leukemia.

My mind imploded a bit, and it was a continuation of his regular self… someone who is out there to serve you no matter what your field or background is.

Take a listen to hear where Allan learned how to give, even if, especially if you have nothing, and the impact it can have on your life.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here on with my good friend Alan do bond Allen has had quite a bit of impact on on the result actually, Alan, I reached out to you. When I thought of spiritual dope, I was like spiritual dope. And Alan and I’d worked together on the prosperity practice when I did that. I was like, I want to do this thing you’re like, Well, are you sure you really want to do the same? Or is that just another shiny object? I’m like, No, bro.

Unknown Speaker 0:34
I’m in. I’m

Brandon Handley 0:35
all in. And Alan was part of giving me the green light. And I think what’s really fun out is just as earlier this week, I’d interview somebody else that has been a big part of of helping to create the space that I’m in today. Right? So I’m really glad that what I’m able to do is share some of the people that have helped me to get to where I am today, with everybody else, right? Like, you know, it’s not like, it’s not like I did this by myself. Right. And I think that’s really important to know, like, I didn’t do this by myself.

Allan Dubon 1:07
Like, I love how, how this has worked out way better than prosperity practice. You know?

Brandon Handley 1:13
Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s so interesting. But before before we get into all that, right? Before we get into any of that, actually, and this is about you. This is about you today. Let’s give the audience a little bit of you know, who is our bond? Let’s get the let’s get the background. Who are you? What are you doing here? What’s

Allan Dubon 1:28
up? You know, I would have answered this question differently about a year ago, considering and I know, we’ll get into all that. So I won’t deep dive into that yet. But I’m really what what I’ve learned that I am, is I’m a guide for people to change their lives for the better. And I tend to go down the business route for that, you know, I came from, from immigrant parents. And, you know, my dad took off when I was nine, and, you know, poverty, you know, you can call a lot of it a sob story kind of stuff, you know, the other sad points that that are there and, and I just kind of use that to drive me to work harder, and promise to never be back in that by my own choice. You know, so yeah, so do you like business consulting and, and connecting with amazing people like you, and just try to serve the world with my talents as best I can.

Brandon Handley 2:30
Hello, brother, and you really do you do a great job of it? And you know, by connecting with others? I’ve never once seen you be like this over marketing guy. Maybe you were at one point. I don’t know. I know. I was like a man. I was like, hey, look at all my shit. I was like, hey, and like, you know, here’s 20 questions, engage, engage, engage, engage, engage. And then like, you know, fuck it. Anyways. You know, I think but I think that there’s a place for that. Everybody has to learn some way. But I appreciate what you do, how you go about it. And I think you’re the genuine, genuine deal. So that being said, what I like to start us off with is the idea that there’s somebody out there who is listening in and they’re listening for, like, you know, source talks through you and I right, yeah, listening to what source has to say to them? Through you today. What is that message?

Allan Dubon 3:27
Oh, that’s big man. For me, it’s don’t wait. Don’t wait to do the things that you’ve been saying you’re going to do. And it really comes from, like this past year that that have gone through March of last year, which we’re in the end of January here. So just shy of a year, I found that I had leukemia. And, man, you want to talk about a gut check, you know, and I come from the world of medical lab science, I actually worked in the laboratory for the cancer clinic hospital I went to a couple of years ago. So you know, just kind of knowing that, you know, we all know we’re gonna die at some point, but we all kind of think it’s further along. It’s another time and you know, unless you’re sick, right? But you’re not sick. I was doing great. I was losing weight. I was getting healthy, working out every day. And all of a sudden, everything just changed in my world stop. And so I realized I may not have the time that I thought I had to accomplish the things that I wanted to accomplish. And so for me, it’s don’t wait, get get to it.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, I love that. I think another message that you are a big proponent of as well as is, you know, stop playing small All right. So let’s talk a little bit about again, you know, let the don’t wait, right? What are some of the things that you felt like you were waiting on that you felt like you had time to accomplish? And then like, you know, going through the sickness, you know, what were some of those, you know, things got hammered home, right? Like, oh, shit, if I get, look, I, you may not have been this guy, man. Dear God, if I get out of this, I want to do this. There’s no need to peanut butter sandwiches, right? So, you know, what were some what were some of the promises, like maybe you made to yourself while you laid there and gone through this? And then, you know, where do you see those going?

Allan Dubon 5:44
Yeah, part of it was realizing a little bit more of what’s important. So I’ve gotten kind of caught up in my identity as a provider. And I think that happens to men a lot, you know, at least from my experience. And so I was really pushing that provider thing, you know, my wife would, she was very good at saying, Hey, we need you. And that’s okay, well, let me calm down the business a little bit, you know, rearrange some stuff at work, and, you know, take me a couple weeks to wind that down to, to be able to give them more time. And sometimes that was the frustration, right? I’m doing this for you guys, for my wife and for my kids. And, you know, I think sometimes when you you come from poverty, and you get a chance to not be there, you drive that part home, but you forget, I may still be here, but I can be an absentee Dad, you know, and I don’t think I got that far. But, but I definitely could have fallen into that trap, you know. So that’s kind of one of the big things that that came from that and then, you know, not waiting to travel and stuff. Like, my wife and I talked about traveling for a long time. And, and it was, well, we’ll do this, we’ll do that. You know, and, and now it’s okay, as soon as things get a little bit, right with my health a little bit, you know, thank goodness, I’m cancer free. Now. Now, it’s just getting getting more strength back in my body, and getting what I like to lovingly call my puppy shots, and get my vaccines because it wipes out your whole immune system. And so, once I get vaccinated, a little bit of strength, and we kind of recover a little bit from the the financial hit, that comes with something like this. It’s traveling, you know, so that’s gonna be a big thing for us. And then I think the third biggest lesson was, get out of debt. Like, you know, we didn’t have crazy amounts of debt. But I’ll tell you what, when you’re, when you’re looking at it, and you say, if I die, I wasn’t afraid of death, I was free to leave my family crippled with debt and other stuff that I took care of. And we could go through, you know, as when things are normal. Now I’m very focused on we’re going to get out of debt, so that if anything ever happens, we don’t have to worry about that. No,

Brandon Handley 8:24
no, that’s powerful. Right? It’s powerful. I love the idea, right? You know, you always you always putting something off, because of, you know, when we have enough or when is the right time, right. And then there’s also the idea of, you know, just like you said, you know, what else is important as you know, to have that family time, right, you that’s something that you can never get back. Right? You can never you can never get that back. And I know that I’m guilty of, you know, kind of the same thing you’re talking about sometimes it’s ways too far, one way, right? The pendulum is always swinging, right? It’s like, is there too much time with them? Is this forced time and they can tell like they can tell like you’re just making time just to make time? Right? Like, they’re like, No, just go away. We don’t even want to hang out with you. Right? And then there’s a time when you know, you’re everybody’s there and it’s a it’s a good time, right? Like, I know that we spent last night watching Ant Man like all together just like impromptu, right. And it was just it was just great. Like there was no it was no no force to it. And everyone’s just kind of chillin and I’m remember, just now on the fucking couch watching anime hanging out, right because that was great. Let’s talk about like, the spiritual side of it right? Because I know that again. We were talking a little bit before here. I love that you brought this up like how you were, you were forced to kind of determine whether or not like what you believe spiritually was showing up in your world outside and it caused you to kind of take a deep look at that. Something I’m definitely curious about, especially going through what you went through, right? having known you, you know, a little bit prior to and a little bit after him, I’m definitely curious to see kind of what’s changed for you in that in that aspect.

Allan Dubon 10:12
Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things that pretty much covered your bullshit, right? Like, where? Where is it? Where is it Bs and where is it real? You know, and, and I think sometimes it becomes that trial of your faith, as far as you got to prove it. And it’s never perfect, right? Just kind of like life. And you know, you’re never the perfect Dad, you’re never the perfect husband. But you can be a really damn good one, you know?

Unknown Speaker 10:38
Sure. Real quick.

Brandon Handley 10:39
Absolutely. Real quick, though. Do you have a faith background? Do you have a faith based background?

Allan Dubon 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I was born when I was born, we were Catholic. And, you know, I think that’s a default setting on Latinos. Know, that, you know, everybody we knew was Catholic and all that kind of stuff. And then we moved to Utah. And we became LDS, you know, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And, and that’s been my, my background. You know, and it’s been really interesting. Because I don’t fit necessarily that mold as as ultra conservative ultra, this, you know, ultra that. But it’s, it’s brought a lot of great value to me, and a lot of a lot of where my understanding comes from, you know, and so, you know, when when I was told what happened, you know, hey, you’ve got your white blood cell count 68,000. Well, like I said, I’m a lab scientist who is trained in cancer stuff in blood cancers. I told the doctor, I’m like, Well, shit, that’s cancer. I know. She goes, yep, she goes, I can’t tell you. Because you know, you got to do all the confirmatory, especially, but you and I both know, it’s cancer. I was like, yep. Okay, cool. Here we go. You know, and at first, everything happens so fast, you don’t have time to think you’re scared, but you don’t quite know what you’re scared of. it because it’s happening so fast. But once I got into the hospital, I’m sitting there, and you know, you get a long time even, even though my wife was there. She’s in her head with her thoughts. I’m in my head with my thoughts. You know, we’ll hold hands and stuff, but sometimes, it’s like, she wasn’t there. For both ways, right? Like to her I wasn’t there. And

Brandon Handley 12:39
yeah, man, look, I mean, you guys just both like, speculating on what the hell is? What’s the future? What’s the future hold right now? Because, you know, somebody says cancer, and you’re like, well, I don’t know that I’m gonna have all the time that I need to get everybody to where they got to get to and do all these things. You know, house, you know, vice versa, right? Like in here, like how, you know, how do I get through this? Right? How do I get through this stick with my family? I still never been to Brazil, and I gotta go. Right? Right. Like, I never make Carnival shit. I always make carnival. Right. And I never went like, I mean, you know, Jesus, if you saved me now.

Allan Dubon 13:18
You know, and, you know, funny you say that. And I and, and I don’t think it’s bad. If that’s where you default to, like, Hey, I’m going to promise to do this. You know, we hear about stuff from religious folks, they religious leaders that have done that, and that’s how they change their life, you know. But, but I really didn’t want to fall into that I wanted to be as I guess, real as I could about it, you know, definitely promised to be a little bit better. You know, obviously, you know, I think that’s human default. But, but I didn’t want to negotiate with God. Because because in my opinion, it’s already kind of written out a little bit. You know, I’m not a, I’m not a no matter what I do is going to end up this way. But but very much like, I think I don’t, you know, so I’m not gonna win, right. I

Brandon Handley 14:06
mean, there’s the there’s God’s got a plan for everybody kind of thing. Right.

Allan Dubon 14:10
Yeah. And so, you know, just kind of going through that. And it was one of the biggest things to me was, I’ve always said that I wasn’t afraid of death. Maybe the mechanism of death. I don’t know. Fire. Not so happy.

Unknown Speaker 14:25
Right, right. I think we all kind of go out in our sleep, right?

Allan Dubon 14:28
Yes, yes.

Brandon Handley 14:28
I’d like it to be asleep, painless. I mean, or, you know, whatever. big truck one

Allan Dubon 14:33
or the other. For sure. You know, so that’s kind of where I was like, Okay, I’m here I am. I am a little nervous. But I had to, I had to think about it, right. And so it’s like, well, I can’t control that. If I die. That’s not up to me. We can do everything we can on this side. But at the end, it’s not up to me. And so it’ll be The adventure and so if I die, and what I believe is true, then there’s happiness on the other side. And it’s a little sad because I’m leaving my family, but I’ll know that they’ll join me later, you know? Sure. If it’s not true and not we don’t exist after then I don’t know better. So that’s fine, too, you know? So, you know, there’s there’s that element, and then, but mostly it was, you know, we talked a little bit about this before was, is this a curse on me? Or is this a blessing on me? Is it all bad? Like, where’s our attitude? You know? And, and I’ll be honest, I went through a little bit of the Why me? God, I’m a good person, I help people. Sure, you know, and, and then I started thinking of like, well, Michelle’s, my wife was like, Michelle’s mom died of colon cancer. And from everything I hear about her, she’s an amazing person better than me. Right? So why, why would I be better than her? In this negotiation, if you don’t diagnose? Good, you know what I mean? Right, right. And I’ve met other people that I know, that are amazing people who cross the line, and they went to the other side, and so sure, you know, so there was that part. But I think what really pulled me out of this pity spiral that I like to call it is I, I went back to some of my core principles, and it was what do you do? When things suck, you do what you can, and then you serve others. And I learned that from my mom, we didn’t have lots to eat, you know, growing up and, and stuff like that we get some pantry help from churches, or from the, you know, the state people that do that kind of stuff, right. But I remember she got connected with a local grocery store. And they, they were just throwing out their, their bread that had like a day left or whatever, you know, they they old or they day left or something like that. Sure. And she wouldn’t talk to the baker and said, hey, why do you guys throw this out there like, well, it’s only got a day and we can’t sell it, you know, and we got new stuff coming out. So once or short, she got that connected to where we would go up there, we didn’t have a car. So we would take these little push cart things, walk up to the store about a mile away. And the baker would give us the day old stuff so that we could give it away. Other folks who didn’t have a lot of money, right? Well, that turned out to be so good. And my mom connected with enough people that after a while, they were sending a small box car full of a bunch of groceries that they were just throwing out. Yeah. And they knew my mom wasn’t going to go sell it right now is the big thing. And so we were helping people from all over the state, you know, within reason, sugar, driving, distance and all that, but we didn’t have some time stuff for ourselves to eat. And here we were helping other folks. You know, and I remember talking to my mom about it, and she says you serve others when when things get bad. You serve others. Yeah. And she goes when one of us eats we all eat. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, you know, and so when I when I got that pity in when I was in the hospital, and I was in there during the big COVID part, right? Yeah. But my wife was able to be there right at first. So that made it easier, scary, but easier. And then the second time I went in they they said nobody can be there with you. So now truly alone with my thoughts. Yeah, that’s where it can get. Kinda.

Brandon Handley 18:41
Well, that’s what I mean. I remember, I think you reached out to me. We reached out, we chatted with each other a little bit while you were in there, right? You’re like, how can I help you? And I was just like, Yeah, I just love that. That was your attitude, right? Like, there you were, there’s really no answers for you. Right? You got no answers. And you’re going out kicking. Kicking right? Like it just it didn’t, I’m sure there were there must have been moments where you know, you were just down, right? There’s no, there’s no way. You kind of get through all that you don’t have a couple of those moments. But I love what you’re saying they’re they’re right. When you’re down and out. You know, you do do what you can for yourself that you know what you’re in control of, and then you know, try to serve others. that’s a that’s a great, great way to be.

Allan Dubon 19:34
Yeah, and it’s not easy, man. Like, and I don’t say that, like, Oh, I’m awesome, because it wasn’t easy, nothing like that. But sometimes I had to fake it and just try, you know, and and so, one of the things I was like, You know what, there’s about 13 to 15 people that visit me every day, you know, between the doctors and the CNAs and the cleaning folks and you know everything that everybody comes in As I said, they’re not always the same. It’s a learning institution. You know, it’s connected to the university and stuff. And so we get different kinds of folks coming in, and then some of the same people. And I thought, you know, let’s learn their stories, because we get so caught up in Well, they’re here to take care of me. Right? Yeah, that’s their job. Right. And they do it very amazingly, by the way, shout out to Huntsman Cancer. Nice, because their people are just miles above any. I’ve worked in healthcare, my whole life, pretty much. And these guys are just miles above everybody else. But you know, it’s still their job. Right? They’re worried about their college credits their kids, their everything, right, for sure. And so I started to talk to them about the stuff that I was good at, you know, business and Future Planning and missing this and, and really helped me take my mind off of me. Sure. Self beneficial, you know, right. But we talked about their goals, and, you know, they come back and they didn’t have tons of time. So this little 10 minutes thing, they’re hooking me up or whatever, right on. And it’s like, Cool, well, how’s your classes? You know, there’s a guy that that was in a freaking concentration camp. Or not concentration. When they’re going away from like, a refugee, thank you refugee. See, there’s my cancer fog, but I thought it was weird sometimes. But yeah, so he’s in a refugee camp for several years, right, came over to the states started, started the process, you know, he started school, and there were some other friends that came with him from that camp. And, you know, life happened to him, you know, he got married and some other stuff, and now is not married. And, you know, so to get a little rough honey, he stopped his schooling, and he’s like, ah, maybe I’m too old. Maybe I’m to this, like, Look, dude, let’s get you back in school. You know, like, it’s still your goal. So you had four years that, that didn’t go the right way. Sure, I still gonna keep living. So those years are gonna keep ticking let’s and so then he signed back up for school. That’s awesome. He came back and thanked me and I can’t I just can’t tell you how amazing that felt that he was. I mean, I hate school. So I feel like I punished him. But you know, and as they know, it’s gonna get his dreams and his career going and he wants to go be a nurse practitioner eventually. And so, you know, get some back on track to do that, you know, and talking to others about their life and their heart stories. And, you know, one of the nurses that told her she needs to read a book because she’s had some siblings died, and her mom’s died. And I think her dad was still around, but it was kind of sketchy. You know, how that went. And so, but she was pushed through all of that. And statistically, she shouldn’t be there, right? statistically, she should be in the hood, just being poor and, and working a menial job. Right, and then falling into, or falling into the same traps that her parents were into, you know, right. But But she broke through, you know, and so, just kind of things like that, that, that really opened my eyes to, hey, yeah, they’re health care workers. But but they’re people first,

Brandon Handley 23:25
right? Right. Now,

Unknown Speaker 23:27
it’s so easy, it’s

Brandon Handley 23:28
so easy to lose sight of that, right? It’s so easy to lose, you know, these people are here to save my ass. Right? And you forget that they’re, you know, you can, you can easily forget that. There are people to just like you’re saying, but, you know, I’m gonna lean back in again, one more time into, you know, kind of the serving people right to take, take it off yourself, even if even if, you know, sometimes you have to fake it, right? I just had this conversation this past week, like, even if you have to fake it a little bit. Yeah, even if it’s not even coming from the most genuine place. It’s still a lot better than just about anything else you could be doing. Right? Like even if you’re like, even if you’re certain, like in some point, at some point, it becomes there’s a tilting point right? You know, for like a while here. I mean, we talked about this from when I when I did follow him for the rest of us, right? For a while there, it was like I’m doing this for all the wrong reasons. But then at some point, it’s like, I’m like, that’s just becomes who I am. And now I’m doing it for the right reasons. So it’s just kind of like it’s like a training mechanism training tool, right. So that now when you go out there and you’re like, I’m, I’m serving to serve is there’s really not this like there’s not an mo right, there’s not like something behind an agenda behind it. Right. And when you start doing that, like you start feeling like you know, sounds like you were feeling right, like you’re connected, there’s your your your your your mind is taken off of all of your woes when you’re focused on helping somebody else. You know,

Allan Dubon 24:57
I’ve always well, not always When I learned this principle, I created a little saying it’s, you become what you act. And so, and it’s not a fake act, it’s, if I want and I learned at first with weight loss stuff. You know, if I keep eating like a 350 pound man I’m gonna stay in. That’s where I was right? So 350 was my number. And I’m like, if I want to weigh 180 or 200, I got to eat and move, like a person who’s 180 or 200. And I’m not there yet, so I have to act like that. And am I gonna mess up? You betcha. I love ice cream. You know, you can poison me with peanut butter and ice cream. Those are my two. My two big things right. But that

Brandon Handley 25:47
ice creams are poisonous. No.

Allan Dubon 25:51
But, but it’s okay. I messed up today. I had a big bowl of ice cream or whatever. Yeah, well, guys that weigh 200 eat ice cream. Yeah. But they don’t eat it every single day. And they don’t you know, when they enjoy a big indulgent thing, they might go for a run or walk longer. Wait, lift longer, right. And so it started being that it’s, it’s what you act you become. And so you know, that that’s kind of, like

Brandon Handley 26:21
buying 100% man or buying 100% you know, me, this is again, you know, the exact process that I went through with my father and for the rest of us. And also just with anybody else out there that you’re listening to like anybody you’re you know, mentorship through even like, through all the online videos, YouTube and all the other stuff. Like, you start taking that on everything that this goes back to those sayings like you know, your weight. Are you Wayne Dyer fan? Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 26:49
Yeah. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 26:50
he’s got that story. Like, you know, he asked me to say, so if I ask Alan, like, when I squeeze an orange, what am I gonna get out of it?

Allan Dubon 26:57
Oh, I don’t know him that well.

Brandon Handley 26:58
So it says like, the answers on shoes, right, but like,

Allan Dubon 27:01
Oh, well, that he had something more special.

Brandon Handley 27:06
So the deal is, so that’s all you can get out of it. Because that’s all you know, that’s all I can ever come out of it. Right? This is an orange juice. That’s, that’s what’s inside of it. So the other idea though, is like, whatever you keep putting inside of yourself, that’s all it’s gonna be able to come out. Right. So this content that you’re trying whoever it is that you’re trying to become whoever it is that you’re acting as if as I’m an acting as if you like, this is who I am now. That’s all that can come out. Right? And you you act as if you, you consume all that and and you put all that in you and that’s eventually quite literally all that can come out. It’s It’s It’s uncanny. Right? And I think that it takes a takes a little bit of time. But once you make that decision and start to step into it, like you’re, you’re you’re that 180 pound man that you’re talking about, right? Yeah.

Allan Dubon 27:53
Yeah, I had a teacher tell me because I was I was going through some pity cycles stuff. You know, my dad’s gone. We don’t have a lot of money. And, you know, yeah, like, like, stacking up all the stuff that is against me

Brandon Handley 28:06
are now pretty limitations.

Allan Dubon 28:08
Yeah. And, and he told me, you know, you choose to be happy. And my young brain, I didn’t say this to him out of respect from inside. I’m like, EFF you, dude. You got family, you got her perfect life a beautiful wife. You guys make money here as a teacher, so I thought they made money. Boy was Iraq. But, you know, so my head, his life was perfect. Sure. Well, he had a kid that was going through some stuff. And you know, it just wasn’t perfect. Like I thought it was and he’s not making the kind of money he should because he’s a freakin teacher, you know. And so, you know, it all kind of clicked several years later, but I, for some reason, I always remembered him saying that. And then so I was still in that bad cycle. And I said, Okay, I’m going to choose to be happy. So I literally woke up and said, I’m going to be happy. And I felt like such a liar. You know, which I was, I wasn’t happy. But I kept saying that every morning I kept saying and then all sudden, I just started being more positive. Sure, nice. My circumstances didn’t change. They’re still poor kid and, you know, all the others crap that that are talked about, but I chose to be happy. And so I think that’s part of that was the beginning foundation of this stuff that I’ve learned and magnified through my cancer experience, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:42
which, you know, you talked about being called on your Bs, right, like, on what you believe? What were some of the things you felt like you were called on and your spirituality and like, you know, what, what kind of maybe got strengthened and how you apply that to this.

Allan Dubon 29:55
Um, part of it was, was talking to God right and So, to me, I don’t think you have to necessarily get on your knees and, you know, Dear Heavenly Father kind of thing, like, I do that. But I also think that you can talk way more often. Like, there’s times when you go talk to your parent that it’s a little more formal. And then there’s other times you’re like, Hey, Mom, you know, what do you mean by this? You just throw it out there. And let her let her ruminate on that a while and she gets back to you. You know? So it’s a little bit more of that, right? Like, and so it was, I did that more. And then it’s like, why did I ever let that go? You know, and not that it was gone completely, but I wasn’t doing it as much as like, I got an open channel, you know, like what you say, you know, God source universe, like, I love that, you know, because you can, you can label whatever you want. And

Brandon Handley 30:52
look at what it is, whatever it is, whatever, it clears that channel for you. Right? Like, if if you’ve got to tune in to Fox to get your information, you got to like, I mean, I don’t care how you, you know what channel you call it, right? But it’s the one it’s, it’s a filtration system, right? Your mind is a filtration system, right? And you’re in like, for a lot of a lot of other people like the word God is just it’s a bad fucking filter, right? Yeah. So if I call it universe, I’m totally Oh, universe. Well, that’s different. Right? Like, let me tune into that. I feel it’s right. So. So there’s just there’s like this open lane of something that’s never been filtered. Right. So so that way that just like, like, it’s just a brilliant conduit. So that’s why that’s, that’s my reasoning and logic. I’m getting closer to being able to use God myself, like just, you know, being comfortable with it, because it’s not something I was ever comfortable with. Yeah, but I’d like to hear so tell me more about like, what are some of the conversations you have? Right? What’s some of the feedback?

Allan Dubon 31:59
It was, it was a lot of, you know? Am I fulfilling my purpose? Am I being good enough to people? You know, am I loving my wife enough? Like, you know, I’m thinking here my time, my might, my temp, my ticket might get stamped here in a second, you know, and I get on that train to the other side, you know, and so, did I do enough to show my wife I loved her, I cared about her was a good enough man to her. You know, just all these things? And same thing with my children? Did I teach them enough lessons that they’re going to be? Okay. Like, like, if I go out? Yeah, they’re gonna suffer some, and they’re gonna be sad, and they’re gonna know, but that I give them enough tools to work through their life, to learn things to be good to other folks and to become good members of society, you know, and be able to take care of their families. Did I do enough of that? You know, did I serve my fellow man enough? Or was it all lip service? I could put it on Instagram, you know,

Brandon Handley 33:14
call me out, bro.

Allan Dubon 33:19
Lot of that kind of stuff. And

Brandon Handley 33:21
so what was I mean, you know what, you know? What were some of the responses that you felt like you got?

Allan Dubon 33:30
I felt that I was told that I had done well with what I knew. And that I was going to be given a chance to be even better.

Brandon Handley 33:40
So you had a sense of hope? Yeah. That message me a response message, right?

Allan Dubon 33:47
Yeah, there’s times where I’m like, I think my I think I’m hoping I think I’m telling myself,

Brandon Handley 33:53
I got the wrong line.

Allan Dubon 33:55
That was me saying to me, like, you’re not gonna die, you know? Cuz that’s a great

Brandon Handley 34:00
question, though. Right? How do you differentiate from you know, this is a, you know, I’m sure it’s a slippery slope, but like, how do you differentiate the response that you get from yourself versus when you get from God?

Allan Dubon 34:12
To me it was, or at least what I felt right. It was a feeling. Yeah, it was. It was a feeling that I didn’t feel like I was doing it for me. Like being told that I was going to live through this sometimes felt scarier than Hey, you’re checking out in too much. Yeah, cuz you got a lot of bills you’re racking up.

Brandon Handley 34:34
You’re gonna have to show up for like, you’re like really, really? Well, you know, listen, if I just finished up this pudding and, and roll out like, I’m cool with that. Because Yeah, because there’s there must have been some of that thought too, right? Like, be like, holy shit. Like, when I come out of this, like, I might even be destitute, I’m going to be worse off like, yo, you know, the struggles are going to be real, right? Like, what’s the quality of life going to be if I if I if I do get to live This Yeah,

Allan Dubon 35:01
yeah, those are all real. That’s the not pretty part of it. Right? Not that there’s really any part of it right? Yeah. But you know what I mean, though, like, like, there’s stuff for you like, Yes, I got to ring the bell, because that’s kind of a big thing in cancer stuff is when you when you’re told you’re sorry, my daughter calls me when somebody rings it. But But, uh, that’s funny on a ring. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things. It’s like, okay, yeah, I get a ring the bell and I get to say, you know, cancer free or I finished my transplant or, you know, what, what does that mean? Like, I walked out of there looking like a freaking cancer patient. I’m a brown guy, and I was pretty white, we were pretty pale. You know, and, and then I lost like, 100 pounds. And he wants

Unknown Speaker 35:55
to do it that way.

Allan Dubon 35:56
Yeah, you know, I couldn’t pick up 50 pounds. And I know, this is from a guy who could pick up 300 pounds with relative ease, you know, like, yeah, it’s heavy, but I could do it, you know. And now I can’t even pick up 50 pounds, it was heavy, can you open my

Brandon Handley 36:13
eyes that must have felt like, you know, especially coming from, you know, Western society, being a male needing to be kind of this strong guy and facing your mortality, and then also facing like, you know, all these things that you couldn’t do, and needing help, especially when you’ve labeled yourself and identified as the provider.

Allan Dubon 36:33
Yeah. Well, and, and also the protector, right? and stuff growing up against women and that I don’t stand for, like, I can’t tolerate that. And now being in a position that if somebody came up and slapped my wife, or my kids are some, I pretty much I got to sit there and you know, like, I still go fight them, but they kicked my ass, you know?

Brandon Handley 36:56
I’ll come in for you.

Allan Dubon 36:58
You know, but but it’s, it’s that thing. Like I could not protect my family. And that, that both financially and physically right. So that, that messes my head a lot. Well,

Brandon Handley 37:09
I mean, that I mean, that’s the whole like, I mean, I hate to, again, I’m not a genius, dude, I’m not big on the Bible, but like, kind of the meek shall inherit the earth or like, kind of going through that feeling like, feeling I’m not even saying like, you know, you’re inheriting the earth, but like you going through this process of just being completely and totally. You’ve got to surrender right to everything. So I mean, yeah, tell me a little bit about, you know, applying that to your situation because surrenders big, big one, for sure.

Allan Dubon 37:36
You know, my wife and I discussed this, we didn’t use that word. I wish I would have had it. And I’m gonna talk to her tonight when she gets home from work, you know? But, uh, you know, she’s like, How can you be so calm about this, you know, cuz she’d have moments where she just she tried to be so strong, like, too strong. And then it would break. And so she cried. I’m like, I’m sorry. You’re the one going through this. And we know, we are going through this. You know, and, and so one of the things that I told her as I said, I had to give up, not give up on fighting, give up on controlling any of this. We are not in control, not you know, we talked about believing in God and that he’s in control. I said, we’re still human, we still want to be in control. And we think this, we think that we’re in control of stuff. We’re not not at, all right.

Brandon Handley 38:29
Wrong, people are flying through the sky and all these other things. We’re like, I got this, right. Thomas Moore.

Allan Dubon 38:36
Yeah. So like, you know, one of the biggest things was they had to stick a needle in my back, all the way into my spinal cord, pull out spinal, cerebral spinal fluid, awesome. And then put in methotrexate chemo and another candidate I remember the other 10 was called a screw

Brandon Handley 38:55
for the bone for how to

Allan Dubon 38:57
go Yeah, sir, to make sure that the if anything went past the, the brain barrier, then if they killed that too, right, because that’s my kind of leukemia likes to hide there. And so they check it do a count and then put that stuff back and tell you what and they don’t they numb the spot where they put it in, that’s it, you don’t get anything else. So you are wide awake and you know, fully lucid and you know, stuff like that. And you know, they punctured into my lung to get a biopsy when I got pneumonia and you know, once again, they just numb the spot. And the rest of you is very much awake, you know. And so these things are are pretty scary, because of the level of payments that are they can numb it up but there’s still pain. Yeah. And, and then the lack of control. Right?

Brandon Handley 39:55
Right. Like you got no control over that I

Allan Dubon 39:57
got I can control my breathing. Not flinching, you know? And so that’s all I focused on. Like, if I flinch, they could hit a nerve. They can collapse my lawn, you know? And a real comfortable stuff, right? You didn’t know you’d get an anatomy lesson here. But what I controlled my breathing, right? What I could, right. So this is kind of coming back to that, that pity party stuff, I control what I can and then I serve others. So Mike Okay, how the hell do you serve others when they’re stabbing something in your back? Those came through the back one of the top for the lungs and one, you know, times it wasn’t just a one time thing you know, we talked about stuff I used to sell real estate. So we talked about real estate and the guy was buying a house and something oh, you know, ask your mortgage lender this and do that and don’t buy this. And he’s like, dude, how are you? Like, so focused on a mic? Because if I focus on what you’re doing, I’m gonna freak out.

Brandon Handley 41:00
Right, right, right. Now that’s true, right?

Allan Dubon 41:04
Totally self serving.

Brandon Handley 41:06
But again, you know, again, like, you know, you’re doing it to, you know, you’re doing it in a way is like, how can I still help this person along? And when you’re doing that, again, like, it’s just, it’s almost like a burdens lifted off you. And it’s really also a lot how we start the podcast off, right? Like, there’s something that if you open yourself up to it, right? Like, if you’re asking a question is how can I serve this person? What can I do to serve this person? source will provide you with something, right? And while you’re filled with doing that thing, you’re essentially being filled with source, right? Like you’re, you know, so there’s this kind of life giving thing flowing through you, so that you can provide to this other person and it takes away your pain, man.

Allan Dubon 41:50
Yeah, it’s how I surrendered back to the original thought of this. Yeah. How I surrendered, it was forced on me, I could always decline you. They always tell you, you don’t have to do any of this. We can just give you stuff to keep you comfortable. And I gotta live. I have to be right. You know, I got kids, I got to fight for my wife. I got to fight for you know. And so as like, if you guys think I got a shot, I’m fighting he, you know, we’re doing this. Yeah. But they always say, Hey, you got a choice. You don’t have to do this. All right. Well, my surrender was, I can pray all day. But if I just pray and don’t take the action, you know, back to the Bible. Faith without works is dead, right? Yeah. So yeah, God is powerful. But he’s given us science. He’s given us all of these tools that aren’t yet. Right. But they’re the best things that we have.

Brandon Handley 42:45
But yeah. Yeah, for our level of understanding, right, yeah, we can

Allan Dubon 42:51
eat healthy, we can do good. But the blueberries not gonna take away the cancer. You know.

Unknown Speaker 42:57
I love antioxidants.

Allan Dubon 42:59
But, but I can eat the good stuff to help feed my body so that it’s can tolerate what’s going to happen to it a lot better. Right. And he got that’s kind of the approach I took was faith, body nutrition, which I’m still not perfect at. And, and science, right, let them do what they’re gonna do. I can control what goes in my mouth. And sometimes I don’t choose well, because of ice cream.

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Most tracks.

Brandon Handley 43:32
So when Yeah, let’s just talk a little bit about how like maybe your has this change kind of your, you know, going through the cancer, reconnecting. having these conversations with God. How do you feel like that’s helping you move forward for a more fulfilling life right now?

Allan Dubon 43:48
You know, it really woke me up. Like what I said at the beginning, you don’t have time. You just don’t? Yeah, so it’s a little more urgency. Not enough fear, like, Oh, crap, I’m gonna die. But in a dude, I gotta get my butt moving. I can’t half asset, you know? Sure. And that the world is good. You know, we’ve we’ve seen a lot of craziness, no matter what, you know, here in the States, no matter what political side you’re on, there’s craziness on both sides. Sure. And, and, you know, manifests in different ways. And, and so there’s a lot of that, and the news media wants to just sell us scary stuff, you know, tornadoes, politics, you know, and everything else in between. But I got a chance. This is where the blessings come in. I got a chance to not have to focus on that. I didn’t have the energy to focus on that. While I was crazy, I didn’t have to write right. And I get to see what beautiful people there are in the world, huh? I got to see people. You know, my my wife’s cousin. Just Did a little GoFundMe for us, you know, one of the people that donated reminded me that story of the widow’s mite, you know, the rich guys were tightening everything and just throwing buckets of money in. And she threw in essentially a quarter, you know, or whatever. And because that’s all she had, well, there’s a lady who she’s like, on her third round of cancer, her husband and her son have died of cancer. Wow. And like, all of this crap, and she gave 20 bucks. And she was amongst the smallest donations monetarily. But I’ll tell you what, to me, she stood out the most. Because here she is. I’m getting I’m really starting to understand at that point. I haven’t even seen the biggest bills, but I’m starting to see him and I’m like, holy poop, you know, like, how are we going to do this? Right? And here she was, has lost the stuff that’s most important in her life. She’s fighting alone. And she’s willing to give me 20 bucks in my fight. Right? You know, and she doesn’t really know me. She knows sister in law, you know? And so it was stuff like that people, how can we help you? How can we do this, you know, our next door neighbors, when I had to get in my very first time being admitted. They called us and within, they said, you need to be here within an hour. Well, I live 45 minutes away from the hospital, and they’re like, be here within an hour or you lose your room. Oh, you know, and they’re like, and you’re kind of cancer needs immediate attention. Okay. So we go to the neighbors, essentially, my wife pretty much tells them here, take my kids, were going to the hospital, they didn’t know I had cancer. Because we hadn’t told anybody. We didn’t want to stir the pot yet until we knew what we’re fighting. Right? All of a sudden, it was real and right now, right? She’s crying, and she’s telling them and we don’t know, when we’re gonna be back. You know, her and her husband were like, go, just go. Don’t worry about it. We can bring you clothes, we can go buy your underwear, what you will bring your stuff just go. Right, you know, don’t miss your spot. And so we grabbed a couple things, you know, and I was there for two weeks. We didn’t know that. Yeah. And I think I’ll be honest, I don’t really remember if my wife went home, she might after a few days to get some clothes, in and out. And then back. So my kids were with the neighbors then with my, my, my wife’s brother, and his wife, you know, for a little bit and stuff like that. And so it was just people who stepped in, who have busy lives, they’re doing their stuff, you know, right. And all of a sudden, our emergency and they’re stepping in, you know, and just lots of acts of kindness. You know, we’re talking about Instagram, you know, posting stuff on Instagram, somebody gave us what, what I think is called a heart attack I’ve learned. And so they come in and just put a bunch of hearts on your door and like little nice messages. You know, we love you. Nice. Yeah. Well, I told you I got a ring, right? My ring wasn’t working. So I have no idea who it was. Right? And so they came in, did a heart attack. And then all sudden, we have this big knock. And it’s like, eight or nine o’clock? I don’t remember. So like Who the heck, you know, right? So we go downstairs and just see this beautiful message. That’s great. It’s it’s cheap construction paper and

Brandon Handley 48:37
workers. You know, I mean, like the money, it says he hasn’t that doesn’t have to take a whole lot to just do some acts of kindness or make somebody’s day. Right you. And and again, I’m gonna go back to how you feel while you’re doing it. Right. You know, is is kind of the key, right? You’re gonna feel good, like, you know, you feel good. The recipient feels good. You’re not in control of how the recipient is going to receive that. But as long as you are in the spirit of giving to give, and you’re not in the spirit of giving to receive a reaction. Yes. Right. Because I mean, that’s, that’s a big thing, too. Right. So I think that that’s kind of what you’re illustrating here is right giving without, like, this expectation, giving, you know, so that, you know, you can be of service to others. And you know, kind of, you know, I think the other part was like, you know, you asked it in your conversation with God is like, Am I fulfilling my purpose? I think that’d be a word. What was the answer to that one? What did you feel on that?

Allan Dubon 49:38
I felt that I had done well, but not good enough, and I heard a little it wasn’t a reprimand. But it was a you can do better. And, and really, it’s about being more purposeful. Not just We got an extra 300 bucks around Christmas time, let’s, let’s see how we can get some gifts for that, which is great. And that’s that’s a good thing. But now, you know, somebody took care of our Christmas for us. And a couple families, you know, and, and they organized and all this kind of stuff and my kids now are like, Dad, can we do that for somebody next year once you got your job again? Because I’m not working and stuff? Right? It was awesome. Well, I

Brandon Handley 50:25
mean, I still got you still got your consultant services, and you’re still able to do that. Right. So I mean, I know that you’ve had some tremendous success there in the past, I know that you’ve helped me, you know, put put business stuff together, you’ve helped me put my websites together. So I know that that’s stuff that you’re still capable of doing.

Allan Dubon 50:43
Yeah. And it’s just, you know, I’m, I’m just getting to the point where I can consider that. Right. You know, cuz, energy wise,

Unknown Speaker 50:52
are you still pretty depleted?

Allan Dubon 50:54
Yeah. So it’s, it’s the commitment, right? Like, could I build a website? Yeah, but can I commit to

Brandon Handley 51:01
a timeline?

Unknown Speaker 51:03
Yeah.

Allan Dubon 51:05
Stuff like that. It’s kind of teaching me that patience. And that. Would you call it? Surrender? surrendering? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. It’s okay. I’m learning patience. That’s what I mean, right now. Yeah. And I hate it. But I get the value of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Brandon Handley 51:32
I mean, there’s, there’s a whole idea of like, you don’t you don’t have to slow down but Calm down, right. Like, take it slow. Not even again, not slow, deliberate, purposeful, intentional pace, right? Not not frantic, as if there weren’t enough for everybody. Because there is right and and not, you know, I love your experience is is also to the idea of Providence, right? Like, you know, you’ve been the provider, but people will provide for you. Right? And, and it’s not that it’s something that you’re not looking for a charity, but it’s something that will happen naturally, if you kind of allow for it, right? Again, the Providence surrendering to the universe to God, whatever, just being like, Hey, I’m doing what I can, right. So you know, what does it mean? So, what does it feel like? Then? I guess if you know, if you’re not fulfilling, what do you feel like you could be doing more? Do you feel like you need to be playing bigger? You know, what, what’s that look like for you?

Allan Dubon 52:37
Excuse me a little bit of both, right? It’s I was, I had exceeded I like to I’m a data nerd. So statistically, people who had my upbringing, don’t reach where I’ve reached, sure. But to me, that’s not good enough. And it’s not to aggrandized myself, it’s, I can serve others. And so it’s, it’s that tool of, or not the tool, it’s getting the tool, which is money, and connections and stuff like that, so that I can then teach others how to grow out of their situation, wherever that might be. Right. Right. And so claim bigger to that with urgency. But not frantic, like you said, calm down. Right. But that’s my calling, right? It’s made very crystal clear to me. And, and, you know, taking care of people in that sense. And then planning and purposefully doing things like, hey, once I get my job back, we’re gonna, or I can do my business or whatever, you know, however, that looks, right. We’re going to create an account where we’re going to start actually putting money away every check every sale, every whatever, so that it’s not, oh, we happen to have an extra 200 bucks. Let’s get a couple Nerf guns and pray vows for these folks. You know, it’s it’s right? Hey, we can really plan this out. Right? and serve one to 510 families, whatever it is, right? But make it purposeful versus Oh, we’re gonna be good people and help. But it’s because we happen to have 300 bucks extra for sure. No, I get it. I get it. You know?

Brandon Handley 54:17
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Man. I love it, though. I mean, so, again, I’ve loved I’ve loved your journey I’ve loved you know, I don’t love that you had cancer. But I do love that, you know, you kind of, I love the way that you went through it. And how you you kept your shit together, for the most part, how you faced it with this attitude of service. And I’m just super glad that we had the opportunity to connect and that you made it through man, you’ve been a big part of like I told you at the beginning a big part of spiritual dope, big part of my own journey. And, you know, I’m not a data analytics guy. So you know, my forecast though, is like more Allen Right, my forecast is more out in the life and, you know, so if, you know, if you were coming out of it and you had more energy right now who would be like somebody who’s your ideal client,

Allan Dubon 55:17
somebody who’s got an idea of where they want to be, and a purpose. And it doesn’t mean you have to know exactly what the business is, or anything like that you can, or grow the business or whatever, but really, it’s about purpose. And the purpose to me needs to be more than just, I got to make money. It’s got to be what am I going to do once I make money in my life? And how am I going to serve others? Because that’s what drives me is that money is a tool

that spans the gamut of Hey, they’re they’re only making 50,000 a year or maybe they’re making 5 million a year you know, it spans all of that because it’s, it’s Hey, it’s more of a purpose driven than I want to make this much per sale. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 56:18
I love that right. When you when you inject purpose and that kind of everything that you do you really do accelerate it right. So So what you’re offering do then is to help people kind of get clarity and accelerate their their purpose and vision so that they can have a more fulfilling life is that what I’m here?

Allan Dubon 56:35
Yeah, yeah. Awesome, brother.

Brandon Handley 56:38
Hey, thank you so much. Like I said, I know you’re you’re still kind of coming out of it. But I appreciate you jumping on and sharing a bit of your story sharing you know your conversations with God even though you’re not you know, what’s the guy’s name Neale Donald Walsch or whatever. So Alan Duvall take on conversations with God today. You know, fighting cancer. And and you know, getting a second shot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for you, man. So thanks again. We’re have some people check out more on.

Allan Dubon 57:08
I’m pretty much Alan dubon everywhere. ondemand.com on Instagram, Facebook, and Alan dubon, even clubhouse. So

Brandon Handley 57:17
awesome. Awesome. All right, but thanks for being on today. Thanks, guys.

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