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From the photographer of the critically acclaimed 108 Rock Star Guitars comes a new collection of beautifully shot guitar photos, documenting the legendary instruments of B.B. King, Kurt Cobain, St. Vincent, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix and more than one hundred and fifty legendary rock icons. Armed with a macro lens, an incredible eye for detail, and a truly inspiring vision, Johnson and her guitar art are taking the world of fine art photography on a rock and roll ride. Far from still life, Johnson’s work conjures the abstract yet also possesses a very sensual and ethereal aura, illustrating the intimate wear and details of each instrument featured.Johnson’s debut book, 108 Rock Star Guitars, received rave reviews and in Immortal Axes, she raises the bar even further, capturing the imagination of music fans everywhere. Each intimate photograph is accompanied by a touch of musical history, an anecdote or great personal storytelling moments, making this stunning book a must-have not only for guitar lovers but for every reader who wants to know more about their favorite guitarists and the instruments they cherish. Additional artists and bands include: Jimi Hendrix, Elvis Presley, Peter Frampton, Steve Hackett, Metallica, Black Sabbath, Jimmy Page, Albert Lee, Glen Campbell, Johnny Cash, Tom Petty, Lita Ford, Susanna Hoffs, Eric Clapton, Keith Richards, Malcolm Young, Dave Grohl, Nancy Wilson, Michael Anthony and Suzi Quatro to name a few.  Lisa S. Johnson’s stunning photos and her body of work have led to collaborations with the Malibu Guitar Festival, Museum of Making Music, and Museum of Design Atlanta. She collaborated with former Editor-in-Chief of Guitar World magazine and author Brad Tolinski for Immortal Axes. Johnson lives in Las Vegas, Nevada with her partner and two boxer dogs. She is also an avid Kundalini yoga teacher on her instagram platform @Cosmic_108.

Connect with Lisa at www.108RockStarGuitars.com and on insta @cosmic_108

Brandon Handley 0:40
It is crucial dope. I’m on here today with Lisa s. Johnson. She is coming here to us by way of a guest you may or may not recall from the game here. with fresh Shaw, that’s how you and I connected Lisa and Lisa. She’s got a couple of really awesome books, guitar and books that she’s put on the winners on all about those two here in a second. And she also does a weekly Kundalini course on Instagram under cosmic 108. But this one should tell us a little bit about who you are. What made you feel a spiritual dove was is a place for you to be right now.

Lisa S Johnson 1:15
Well, hey, Brandon, thank you so much for having me on as a guest today. I really appreciate it. And it was really cool that we did meet through Paresh who I know through Kundalini Yoga, we went through Kundalini Yoga training together. And he’s also rock and rollers. So it was interesting that he and I really connected in class before we even know, we were both into rock and roll. So. So that’s how things weave together. And that brought me to you spiritual dope, which I love that name. Because it’s kind of telling of the times and connecting to the youth generation really, because to say spiritual dope, kind of, you know, get the younger person interested. And we can talk about things spirituality, and things that are going on in the world in more of a hipper way. So it’s really fun to take part in that. My background is that I come from a musical family in northern Canada, where I grew up until I was 23. And I was born in California, though, so I have my California roots until age seven, and then lived in Canada, then moved to Florida. And I ended up going to college for photography, which led me to a job for 10 years with the Eastman Kodak company. And I ended up living in Memphis, Tennessee, and going to the Unity Church. And my father growing up told me I was not allowed to date musicians. And so I he was a musician, so and still is. And so I was at the Unity Church picnic, and the guitar player from church asked me out on a date, and I accepted and we started dating. So I called my dad and said, Hey, Dad, I’m, I’m dating a musician. However, he is the guitar player at church, and he owns a vintage guitar store. And my dad being a guitar player said, Hey, if he ever gets in and gets a mandolin, I’ve always wanted one. And you know, he’s not a touring musician. So that doesn’t matter. You can you can date him. So that was the beginning of my photographing guitars, because my boyfriend then Hank said, I told him about this request of a vintage mandolin. And he got one in two weeks later, and I said, how much I want to buy that from my dad. And he said, You can’t afford it. But if you photograph some guitars, for me, I have to sell that I don’t want to sell, I’ll trade you for the mandolin. So that was it. And I photographed these amazing vintage guitars for him and I fell in love with my photography for the first time. So I really was drawn into photographing guitars in a spiritual way, because I was going to the Unity Church, which is a non denominational church and what attracted me too, it was that they would always read a passage out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, you know, Joseph Campbell, and, and, and they would relate it to a passage in the Bible. So it wasn’t you know, like this indoctrinated you know, where I grew up in the Catholic Church, you know, it was fun, at the end would always sing a song holding hands, the whole congregation, let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me. And so that was the beginning of my spiritual journey. And at that point, I was probably 2425 Ah, you know, and of course, my spiritual journey did begin when I grew up, I started in the Catholic Church. By the age of 14, I already realized that God was within me, that I didn’t need to go to church to be with God. And that gave me a lot of peace. And I always felt God with me and I’ve always prayed. But then when I found the Unity Church, I actually because it was more of a spiritual feeling. And I they had a bookstore there and I my first spiritual books that I bought was Wayne Dyer, and Louise Hay and Shaco Wayne. And these books really and you know, the first really spiritual book that I read before that even at 18 was thinking go Grow Rich, by Napoleon Hill. And if you read Shakti, Wayne’s creative visualizations, basically, it’s the same concept. You know, you, you are what you think, you know, what you speak manifests into reality. And that was Napoleon Hill’s whole premise. You know, if you think you’re going to be negative and talk negative all the time, that’s what you’re going to attract. And if you talk positive, and think positive and and visualize your goal, then that’s what’s going to manifest. And so this is how I’ve lived my life and manifest in my life since I was 18 years old. So just to conclude, I, I went to college for photography, and I ended up moving to New York City. And I got this job with Kodak. So I was in New York, and then Memphis. And

I ended up shooting those guitars in Memphis. And then I got sent back to New York. And I thought, if I’m going to shoot guitars, I may as well shoot famous ones. So Les Paul played every Monday night at the Iridium room in Manhattan, and I started going down there, and I eventually met him and he let me photograph his guitar. So that was the first famous guitar I photographed. And then 12 years later, he ended up writing the foreword for my first book, 108 rock star guitars. And then I ended up in a car crash in between all this and my neck got jacked. After, after I moved to Las Vegas from New York City. And that led me to a chiropractor who told me that Vikram yoga would be really good for me. And so I started taking their chrome yoga classes became a victim yoga teacher, studied yoga philosophy, read Autobiography of a Yogi, and it totally changed my life. And then, almost 20 years later, I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga. Through the modern day priestess training that I started that I, I took, I’m a modern day priestess as well. And we did Kundalini Yoga every day. So that’s how I ended up in the Kundalini, cosmic 108 Saturday morning classes to share the yoga technology and the tools of yoga to help us previously, just in regular times, but now especially even more in these really trying times on the planet.

Brandon Handley 7:25
of the story, I love the journey that you know, I mean, first time, Ed, a musician, of course, is when the dad says no. Right? And that’s the that’s right. There’s your proven out of principle, right out of thinking Grow Rich, like whatever you focus on what manifests sure very. So you know, he’s focused on for you was what manifested for you. So he played a part in that. And that, you know, the journey towards photography and photographing these these guitars, right, and cars is going for it. Just saying this is this is what kind of sets my soul on fire, and looking for ways to make that happen. Exact so cool. Yeah. So thanks. Thanks for the background. Right. So what I like to start this off with is the idea that, hey, we’re all spiritual beings. Right? And that source speaks through us right now I sources speaking through you, to me, to somebody on the other end, that is listening to this podcast today. What is something what’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today?

Lisa S Johnson 8:38
Okay, well, I’m just going to go with what channels right through instantly, that’s where you got to go. And so mine is via channel, B channel. So ask your higher guides, or whatever God is for you, make me a channel of a higher will. This is how we received the messages from the universe and from our guides and angels, through our, our cosmic antenna, our auric field, which the ark line is a part of our bigger auric field. And so the ark line is the seventh body of consciousness that we have out of 10 light bodies of consciousness, the 3d body, the gross body, that’s only one body, we have seven additional. So the Arc Line is, is the seventh body. And it’s the way that we send and receive signals to each other, that can be sent even over vast spaces of time, you know, for one country or area or planet to another. And it’s important to keep your antenna clean and clear. If it’s dirty, it’s got a lot of static in there. You can’t send your signal and you can’t receive signals. So that means I’m not communicating effectively or I can’t receive others communications effectively. So this is one of the reasons why we do spiritual work meditation and movements. So that we can clean and clear all of our bodies, including that that radar antenna, the Arc Line. So that is how I would channel something that no one else could receive from any other place other than through me, because I’m sending it through my Arc Line through my channel to your listeners right now. And I have often asked my guys make me a channel of a higher will, so that I can hear and see the unseen.

Brandon Handley 10:32
What is Oh, I think that’s fantastic. open yourself up to be a channel to begin with, say, Make me your channel, allow me to be a channel. I’ve been trying to do this whole thing myself this entire time. What else kind of let it flow through me? What’s a way that we can clear tailor my sales of this? Boy, how do I clean my sale?

Lisa S Johnson 11:00
It’s easier than you think. I mean, people say I can’t meditate. Oh, I can never meditate. Okay, so yes, everyone can meditate. And everyone can clear their channel. And here’s how. First of all, you can sit and you have to make meditation, super simple and easy, especially in the beginning. And while you’re meditating, you’re cleaning your arclight. Okay, so this is the same answer for both things. So first of all, you sit and we you invoke you do an invocation to clear the space, stage yourself, you know, stage the room with Palo Santo or stage what happens. Then you do an invocation, bringing in your guides and teachers, and then you do movements. So for example, one way to clear your Arc Line, your antenna is inhaling and turning your head to the left, and exhale and turning your head to the right, because that’s cleaning and clearing the space right in front of your face and to the left into the right. And then if you tuck your chin into your chest, you rotate your head around a big neck circles. This is cleaning the Arc Line, you’re going in a circle and it’s clean exactly that area in your in your Arc Line in your auric fields. Then we use breathwork inclusively, you know a lot of deep inhaling, exhaling or rectifier pumping the belly and equal pumps. And this is distributing energy in the body and sending your Kundalini energy from the base of your spine, all the way up to the top of your crown chakra. So all of your chakras are getting a burst of energy as you’re pumping the belly in. So and then you quiet the mind you do the work, the movement opens the body and allows you to sit in meditation and be more calm. And still, even when you’re super calm. You can close your eyes, look into your third eye center, your sixth chakra, and that that stimulates activates your pineal gland, which is your your tool your gland for extrasensory perceptions, and how we can learn to connect and with our subtle body with using extrasensory perception so we can feel energy around us more we can hear what someone is saying without them actually saying it. And all of this clears your archive and your intent just to very quickly, you know, give you a summary of how you how you clear it. So it’s through breath movement, meditation.

Brandon Handley 13:29
That’s great. So you got a twofer there. Alright, you can do a little bit a little bit of both at the same time. One thing that definitely has been hugely impactful for me this past year has definitely been the breathwork. And it sounds like that’s a big part of Kundalini Yoga. We’re a couple that with Autobiography of a Yogi, right, is this Kundalini Yoga? associated? Specifically with like I was at the Southeast Asia foundation. Yeah. Through. You went through the priestess

Lisa S Johnson 14:05
training? I did. Yes. So, Yogi, paramahansa Yogananda. He was a Kriya. Yogi. So that’s what we do include aleni we do Kriya Yoga. And that means that we do yoga postures from the 84 Classic asanas that Austin as is of your means yoga posture, we do we pull from there. And on top of that, we also always use mantra, meditation mudras. We use our our throat or our throat. To every class, we incorporate these aspects. And this is called Kriya Yoga. So guys like guru Singh, who’s been a longtime kodaline Teacher, he also come through lineage of Yogananda, and so to why so I really kind of relate to him in that way. So we’re doing Kriya Yoga. But the thing about Kundalini that makes it more advanced is that it’s really teaching the science of yoga, and yoga as a technology as tools that we use for self healing. First, we heal the self, then we can heal others, and we heal others through our energetic field. So as we amplify and expand our electromagnetic frequency, through the movement, and the meditation and the breathwork, and all that, we’re expanding our electromagnetic field and our auric field gets bigger and brighter and stronger, and more radiant, and more attractive to other people. And it then it starts to just attract all the right people to and it spells all the negative stuff out. And then there’s no room for any negative anymore. So even when the worst shit is flying around this planet, right now, you can learn and use these tools to be able to stay calm, in the midst of this chaos that we’re in and send your light out in every direction. super big and super powerful. And when we sit and meditate, especially on full moons, and new moons, because these are the the doors of the portals of the planets when the planets line up when the Moon and the Sun and Earth are lining up. And they’re lining up with other stars that happen throughout the year. These create portals, we just had the big Lionsgate portal on August 8. And this is a time when energy frequency and vibration funnels into the planet and upward levels, our DNA and our our electromagnetic frequency and our ESP and our overall consciousness on the planet. So right now, we’re going through hell. But we’re going through hell to get to heaven. Because heavens on the way. And it’s on the way, and I know it is because I study the yugas. And that’s what Yogananda used to teach the yugas and his his teacher Shri you test guar. He’s the one who wrote the book, the science of yoga, and he speaks all about the yoga so we can get into that if you’d like it’s just one of my favorite topics.

Brandon Handley 17:18
Well, yeah, I mean, we absolutely get into that we have a lot. I love the concept. And I think I remember like, first of all, you know, Autobiography of a Yogi, what a great book write a really, really great book, fun to read. And so it was like being on that adventure with them as as he kind of goes through his life. And then I think he did talk about it. Did he talk about yoga technology, and there are not likely to finish it up with that.

Lisa S Johnson 17:47
Remember, you remember him specifically saying yoga as a technology? But I bet he did. Because you shriek test suar he saw I’m sure the technology because of these. The the chart of the yoga is that he created and I mean, they they knew the science of yoga. So

Brandon Handley 18:07
Oh, yeah, that’s, that’s not new to that. No, it’s not it’s not new to them. And by that, I mean, like, the whole Indian

Lisa S Johnson 18:16
culture, and just like how people are way more advanced than us. 100%

Brandon Handley 18:20
I mean, look, I mean, we’re, I mean, we’re like crawling, right? And in terms of like, our just general conscious capabilities. That’s my thing. Right? I just kind of where we are in terms of, of civilization like that. It’s really learn how to as you I think you talked a little bit about harnessing your mind right, and just really getting in there. So you also need to talk about these portals. I want to just hit on. I love Lionsgate, right. Just just I love Lionsgate portal, mostly because of the memes and the social media that come along with it because it’s very entertaining. But I think it also offers like, you know, through through the entertainment edutainment, right like it’s so opens that up to somebody even if they laugh at it or joka. Like it becomes a seed somewhere. Right. So, what tell us a little bit about more, right if I was about Lionsgate Okay, we’ll talk about that. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Lisa S Johnson 19:24
Well, there is a star named Sirius. I’m sure you’re aware of it most. Everybody knows about the star Sirius. It’s also called the dog star. And it is the brightest star in the sky. It’s the North Star. So the Sirius star in August from July 26 to August 12. The dog star begins to rise in the morning with our son. So there’s two suns in the sky. So you may have seen recently a lot of photos with two suns in the sky and people are going What’s up, there’s two sons. Well, this happens every year because the Sirius star is rising with the sun. So that is in alignment of Sirius that is supposedly a planet where the Syrians come from. And they that planet Sirius is aligned now with our sun, which is aligned with our Earth. So that is creating a shaft, a portal, it’s going straight through to planet earth, showering the planet earth with that energy frequency and vibration. What was really extra special this year was that we have the new moon exactly in the path. So with serious sun, moon, earth, so this was especially powerful. Just like on the new moon and the full moon, those are especially powerful times and for us to set intentions. So that’s why we do new moon and full moon intention setting and clearings. So, in on top of this, the Sirius star is in alignment with Orion’s belt that has three stars. And those three stars were aligned with the tip the points of the three pyramids in Giza. So, I mean, why were the pyramids built? Who built the pyramids? You know, did they build them exactly to line up with, you know, Stargate Ryan, you know, was that how serious came in and maybe maybe people for, you know, whatever you want to call them, aliens. Other other types of beings came down, and were able to access Planet Earth, and maybe they that’s how, you know, when we when we send the shuttle off, for spaceships off, it has to coincide in line with, you know, the planets and things moving around in the sky. So it’s the same thing, if another entity wants to come on a spaceship to Earth, maybe there has to be certain portals that takes for them to come down. And maybe that’s why the pyramids are pointing up to those three stars. So that’s what happened on August 8, so July 26, to August 12. That is the portal opening and closing. So begins just like you see, you know, the moon, the moon slowly going from full moon to you know, New Moon, we have that energy shift as well, during that date, but August 8 is the apex of that alignment and the most powerful day. So that’s where everyone does a ceremony on August 8, but we really do the work from July 26, all the way through to August 12. To get that full, you know, you can utilize the energy, this is what we have to use to upgrade our consciousness, we need to utilize these tools that are given given to us by God really through the makeup of our cosma cosmos, we’re really need to utilize the tools which we’ve forgotten to use because they’ve dumped us down with freaking TV with even Disneyland. I mean, it’s the dumbing down of our society. I mean, they just finished some state just passed the law that you don’t have to be able to know math or read to pass your high school examination. Really. And there’s there’s no lot of modesty anymore. Every album cover every every video, you see, it’s just people wearing hardly anything. It looks super hot and sexy. Hey, yeah, I get it. I see it. But it’s not. It’s not serving our youth culture. They’re growing up thinking what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh, I want to be a rock star.

Brandon Handley 23:40
Well, I always I always make that joke. My own joke anyways about like tipper gore and our board back in the day, right? When they were trying to you know, kind of pull back some like to live crew and and all those other albums. But this isn’t really this isn’t benefiting anybody. And then it was a freedom of expression man and you know, but really, it’s a you know, there’s this interjection right injection of just kind of like this, this continues to type and this this. Why would we encourage

Lisa S Johnson 24:20
that? Well, it starts to encourage disrespect or kind of a lack of respect. I think it’s

Brandon Handley 24:29
respect even. Yeah,

Lisa S Johnson 24:31
I mean, talk to any kids today about dating, and how to date I mean, it’s dating online, they meet online or, and what do they do? They share pictures back and forth. And you know, how many pictures and how kinds what kind of pictures you know, and languaging that goes on online and just the music I mean, last year, the Best Song of the Year, was, like the most vocal vulgar title ever like I can’t even I can’t even think of what it is right now. But it’s like really bad.

Brandon Handley 25:07
Is it that cardi B song? Like fat or something like that? Alright. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s interesting where that’s, that’s, I agree, right? It’s kinda like was, was that gonna be enough? But anyways? Look, it is what it is, in that regard.

Lisa S Johnson 25:29
I’m gonna have to change, things are gonna have to change because I believe you’re right, you’re breaking down the morality of our whole society. And, hey, pick up my boxers. You can see one of them there. Yep.

Brandon Handley 25:45
But I’m just like you were saying earlier? Do you see like kind of having on the horizon? Right? Are you seeing a change and a shift in consciousness yourself?

Lisa S Johnson 25:55
I am. And I’m hopeful. Because even though things don’t seem like they’re elevating, I see a lot of things changing. I haven’t see a lot of people doing yoga. I mean, of course, I’ve been in I’ve been doing yoga and teaching yoga for 20 years now. And the yoga community is a billion dollars, something like a $70 billion business. So there’s a lot of people doing yoga, and even if they’re not doing meditation, it’s the precursor to meditation. Because doing the movement of yoga, if you’re going to Chaga class or, you know, Bikram yoga class or vinyasa of some kind, what have you, you’re going through the motions, you’re doing the physical aspect, just know that that’s only one aspect of doing your. So But yeah, I think a lot of people are doing yoga, and that is helping them to find some sense of their body, feeling their body and feeling their extrasensory perceptions. And that over in time is going to lead people to self inquiry. And if that self inquiry expands your consciousness, and we learn how to deal with ourselves and calm ourselves, and then we can learn to deal with the next person in our family, or brother or sister or spouse, whatever, we get to practice every day, the tools of yoga, being patient and compassionate and just with not only with other people, but with yourself. And that transcends to when you go to the grocery store and working with that person at the slow with the tail, and you’re in a hurry. And, you know, trying to deal with that emotions, the emotions and the irritation that you have, and, or, you know, watching the news, and you know, seeing the world being Polaroid rise right now. And just learning how to look at it on a macro level. So you don’t get all caught up in the details in the micro level in your world and allow it to upset your world and upset your body and upset your body to a point of this discomfort and disease and disease. And, and, you know, I think that’s been happening on our planet for a long time. And we’re we’ve got a disease on this planet right now. We’re really diseased in more ways than one being personified by a disease COVID right now. And we’re polarized on that subject, too. So it could help. We’re going to help us through all of that and get to the other side.

Brandon Handley 28:30
That’s the cleaner. Yeah. The antenna cleaner. Yeah, that’s it right. And get it all get it all situated. I mean, you got to start somewhere. And I think that it’s impressive to see just how fast Yoga has taken into the US. Right. And it’s been growing, I think at a fairly rapid clip. Understanding is my real low level understanding since I’ve been in the States, you know, since around 1900, or when whenever Yogananda came over, give or take, yeah, correct. Yeah. Now, I want to use HostIn while you were talking about the serious story, he talks about the Syrians. Was that like, you know, what he’s saying there?

Lisa S Johnson 29:15
Well, there’s no way that we are the only intelligent and living life in the entire cosmos in the entire Milky Way. Galaxy number one, and then there’s something like 100 million, probably infinite number of galaxies, and then every galaxy has like 500 billion stars. I mean, there’s just no way we’re the only living I mean, at one point dinosaurs rule for planet Earth. Reptiles that didn’t speak English that look pretty freakin scary. So there could be, you know, the Draco’s, they say is if species. They look like lizards or what have you, and they might just come down on the earth. That would be kind of scary. They might eat people we don’t really know. Do I believe they’re Pleiadians? Yeah, I do. I think that’s a star. And I do think that there are living entities there and why maybe they’re the ones coming down here and doing this crop circles, because the crop circles are a, I believe a phenomenon of UFO within me difficult. You’ve seen recordings of the little white balls that fly around and suddenly and, you know, very quick speed of lightning time, there’s this amazing geometrical, perfectly mathematical structure that humans can do. They tried in the middle of the night to do it in the middle. And you know, there’s no way I mean, it doesn’t it’s not a sophisticated and they can tell the difference of the grass. So why they haven’t been able to help us out a little bit more? I think because we have to help ourselves out of it. Because otherwise, how is our consciousness going to change, like, what we’re trying to get off this planet, so we can just develop another planet and kill the all life on that planet to? Like, you know, I think that we’re, we’ve shot down spacecraft, they need to be careful about how they make any approach into they have to get us to where we’re more friendly, and willing to accept them. I understand as well, that there are our races that are already living on the planet Earth, and they’ve been living in the middle of the earth. And you know, the earth could be hollow. You know, if you look at, if you look at the toric field, a Taurus, it’s a circular motion, and it’s hollow in the middle, isn’t it? So the energy can go around what’s what isn’t there a hole at the top of Antarctica and the bottom of the Northwest Territories, you know, the top and the bottom of the earth? The note?

Brandon Handley 31:52
No, I feel like that’s a Google that. So that leads us

Lisa S Johnson 31:56
to Google Google, Richard bird. Richard bird was a captain and he was up in Antarctica time. And he went on a plane ride. And he got diverted, and he ended up somewhere in Shangri La. And he wrote about it, and he was forbidden to talk about it while he was still in the army. And when he died, his journal revealed it. So there could be something in the center of the earth. And there certainly are other intelligent beings in our soul, our solar in our, in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, and in other galaxies beyond probably the infinite number of planets with living beings.

Brandon Handley 32:36
For sure, I agree. I just want to make sure I caught that, you know. And then last thing he talks about was outside of our gross body, right? Key share a little bit more about that.

Lisa S Johnson 32:51
Sure. Okay, so the gross body, that’s the three dimensional body in which we live, it’s our vessel is what we came into we birthed into through the top of our head, they say we have the soft spot in your head, that’s where your soul enters. That’s called the Vindu the sarga. And when we meditate, we can connect with that and actually drip the nectar into the brain and through the body. And one of the things that the breathwork does is helps to hold that nectar in the throat chakra by pumping the the energy up to the top of the crown and keeps that energy here and that helps you to heighten your awareness and your cosmic consciousness. We are we also have, we have 10 bodies of like consciousness. So the first body is your soul. That’s the soul body that that comes in through you. It’s the heart, it’s what speaks to you, it’s your inner voice, your soul body, then you have three minds, there’s the positive mind that weighs the positive things that are around you in a situation so you have to weigh out is this a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? So that so it tells you that it’s a bad thing is the negative mind see the positive mind telling you good things, the negative mind telling you Beware, beware danger danger. And then the fourth body is your neutral mind which is your third eye where it takes the positive and the negative aspects of any situation and weighs them within nine seconds, your your third eye, your fourth body, your neutral mind makes a decision and it will make it if you are clean and clear in your neutral mind through meditation. That’s how you clean and clear it. You got to meditate. You can make an accurate decision within nine seconds. Then the fifth body that’s that’s your physical body. That’s your 3d. Then you’ve got your your sixth body, which this is going to be your your breath because you got to breathe, you got your product body, your lifeforce, then your your seventh body, we have the our climb your auric field. Then you have your rain. To hit body, that’s the 10th body. And you have the nice body is the subtle body. And this is the one that helps you to give and receive with the subtle mind and the subtle, subtle body without thinking or saying, without saying anything out loud, you can utilize your subtle energy, you can will your will to, for that person to move a little to the left, so that I can see the guitar player on the stage better, right? You just like you’re driving down the road, and somebody’s going way too freakin slow. And you’re just like Dude, to the right. And then they go through flicker goes on and they move into the right hand lane. This is willing your will through your cell body and speaking your language with your attendants all in unison. So when all of those 10 bodies are balanced, that means your shoppers are going to be balanced too. And then there’s an 11th body and it’s called parallel use in this and that’s what all 10 bodies are aligned. And so my my my neutral mind, where I’ve made that decision that I want that guy to move to the right works with my subtle body, willing my will and energetically telling him to move and my Arc Line going VPP radar reader reader out you go Whoo, bro. xover. Or I go, you know, I need to call Nancy, I just keep forgetting to call her that I looked down on my phone A minute later, there’s Nancy calling. Like, this is how it works. When you’re in the nod which crash always is talking about, you know, I’m in the NA, you’ll call me up with these stories, you know how something happened. And that’s what that is being in the flow. As you said earlier,

Brandon Handley 36:35
your flow state, I think there’s an ease with with all that can happen if you allow for it. To write sounds like to me, once you’ve got these things in alignment, and you allow for it to happen, it happens with ease, actually, these things only happen. Well, they don’t only happen when you’re in an ease state, but they’re less likely to happen when you’re deceased. Right. And so there’s like this forest, and there’s a out of balance of, I guess all of these bodies, I’ve never heard them all. So it’s visually great to hear that and thanks for sharing that. But uh, you know, once you have these in alignment, things you begin to live in a state of ease would be my guess

Lisa S Johnson 37:23
you don’t have to do anything anymore. You don’t have to do, you just set your intention, and the portals are open, and it flows in. So you don’t have to struggle, I got to get this new job, or I have to, you know, I need more of this or that or the next thing. It’s just all comes flowing in, in divine timing, one of my favorite Montt affirmations that I’ve been working with for the last couple of years, and it’s so powerful, kind of like preamps, anything else, it’s, I am aligned with the highest expression of my future now. So the now is bringing it into the now into the present moment right now, not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow, it’s like right now. And I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future, in all ways. So in my relationships, and my health and my finances, in my career, I’m aligned with the highest expression for my future now. So what’s best for my future is what I’m what I need to align with. And I’m aligned, I’m telling myself, I’m aligned with the highest expression. So I don’t have to say, other mantras and other affirmations that say, I now have the right amount of finances in my bank, I now have the perfect publisher, I now have like, that’s a good way for moon ceremonies and something to write it like that. And I’ve just eliminated the need to have to do that on a daily basis. Because I used to say in the mirror doing near meditations, I used to say in the mirror, my mom long list of, of affirmations, and now I just say I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future now. It’s all done.

Brandon Handley 39:07
So right, this is kind of the end in mind, right now. And if you’ve got that end in mind, right now, then all those other sub things take care of themselves. Right? You don’t need that long list, because like, you wouldn’t have this one statement. If the rest of these underneath of it. Were kind of already done and

Lisa S Johnson 39:30
working. Yeah. And you know, I do that with the planet Earth too. I do say that our planet Earth is aligned with the highest expression of its future now. So that’s my greatest prayer for the planet. And when you say that things in the energetic field start to align. And that’s what I love about sacred geometry. I actually brought a couple pieces. This is the this is the flower of life. Most people know the flower of life and this is the blueprint of creation. And within it are all the platonic solids. And like the 64 tetrahedron, you can’t really tell. But this actually, when they when you invert the flower of life into a three dimensional, it’s, it looks like this, it’s there 64 triangles, which there are here in here. And then, you know, Megatron fits into the flower of life as well, which is all different. You can’t really see the triangles, but they’re in there, the tetrahedrons made up of 13 Circle points. And so if you meditate on these, this is metal strong, the triangle pointing up and down. And then there’s one that’s pointing back or forward, depending if you’re male or female. And this is your your meta Tron or your merkabah, the light spirit vehicle. So you asked about the 3d body, or 3d bodies, our vehicle, it’s how we move from A to B and move around the planet. But we can also move it when we’re meditating and spiritually and go into the cosmos. And this is actually three dimensional and it spins. So this is only a one dimensional, but it actually is a three dimensional and it spends. So if we look at these sacred geometries, which can also be referred to as a Yantra, with a geometrical line shape, and if I meditate on if I look at it straight ahead, and then I close my eyes, I’m going to see the imprint of this flower of life in my mind’s eye. And then that imprints it on to me on a cellular level, it all goes in that implantation goes into me on a cellular level, all my cell cells get a burst of that. That light of the of the sacred geometry, whether it’s the Firefly for the Sri entre is my favorite one is the entre for manifestation. And so this is how we get it into us on a cellular level. And this is what they’ve been doing with TV manipulating us forever, you know, with symbols and signs, and you see that and it goes into our consciousness. And then we get, you

Brandon Handley 42:05
know, what’s in there? Yeah, yeah, but we

Lisa S Johnson 42:09
can change it, we can restructure the geometry, and launch

Brandon Handley 42:13
sacred geometry monitors, meditation, taking your attention off of those things, right, that you allow them for so long, and realizing that they’re already there. And it’s like a garden or some weeding today, right? Yeah. That one’s that one’s there. We got it. And it’s still you know, sometimes like, just like in a garden, you feel like you got all the all the weeds out. But like, you know, you come back with the next day, like, I swear to God, I pulled that thing. Right, it’s still there.

Lisa S Johnson 42:43
analogy I know, and then you get to practice. Oh, you know, let me fix that. You know, but that’s the start of being aware and consciousness because you’ve become aware and conscious of it, and then you change it the next time, just like, you don’t beat yourself up. If you get into an argument with your partner, you know, or yell at somebody, then you gotta hurry up, I really was kind of out of line there. Now, I’ll get another opportunity to practice that in the next time, I’ll do better. So you don’t beat yourself up.

Brandon Handley 43:09
That’s in alignment with the two arrows and Buddhism, right? We talked about the first arrows, that’s already there. The second arrow is the one that you deliver yourself. Right? Like, kind of jerk was if you can eliminate it just by the example you just gave. So I think that’s a great example. I wanted to go real quick back to two pieces here. First of all, you know, I love your, your, your mantra, slash affirmation, slash prayer, because you pronounce it more like a command, then I’ll request is that intentional? Or is that just how you are with it?

Lisa S Johnson 43:51
I guess that’s just how I am with it. I didn’t notice that. I said, it’s more as a command. Well, the affirmation I definitely say as a command. Is that what you mean? I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future now? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 44:05
Absolutely. If I don’t get I feel like if I’m not getting in line with that, I might actually get in trouble.

Lisa S Johnson 44:10
Yeah, so I’m telling the universe. Hey, all right. Right. Up here.

Brandon Handley 44:16
So that’s also alignment with Um, I don’t know if you ever listened to or read Blaine hills? devil Book Three. Oh, no. So he’s got one that like was released, like post mortem and even to release it was kind of like, don’t do that. And basically, it’s talking to the devil, whatever. But and that was talking to him, like how do you talk to what’s in versus like, don’t ask for it, you command it, you demand it right? Like that’s yours by like, you know, the vine right and also other stuff. So as I was just curious, kind of where the command part was coming from. Definitely.

Lisa S Johnson 44:55
Also comes from my teaching with the chrome choudry because I studied For many years, he was my first yoga teacher. And he Bikram yoga class is very commanding. So you’ve got to get bodies to move in unison. You want everyone moving together and flowing together in a in a Bikram yoga class. And then it’s really a moving meditation. Everyone’s flowing together. And it’s beautiful breathing together. And to get people to move together, you have to be really commanding arms over your head, interlock your fingers, release your index finger stumps cross, no weight in your heels, hips forward, upper body back, no gap between biceps, arms and ears inhales. So long stretch up hold. And then do your right hand side. Like you have to talk like that, to get them to freakin do it on time with you. Then when it comes to Kundalini, we do mantra, and it’s different. It’s not commanding, it’s it’s very calming. And like, for example, like I just wanted, I loved your analogy about you know, planting the seeds and growing because there’s a meditation that I’m actually doing right now we practice. I’m in my fourth level two training out of five modules. So I’ll be a level two Kundalini trading teacher soon. And would they require us to do a 90 day meditation. So you know, it’s a challenge, every day you have to meditate is a 30 minute meditation, it’s not three minutes, five minutes, 11 minutes, you know, it’s 30 minutes that you have to sit and take out if your day doesn’t seem like very long, but sometimes it it seems like a long time in the day taking that 30 minutes out anyway, you. It’s a commitment, and it gets you to, you get to where you would miss doing a meditation if you didn’t do it. So that’s good, because you really want to meditate every day in twice a day, if possible. But then you just get to where you’re meditating all the time you’re driving, you’re meditating, we can always be meditating in the background, because we do the mantra, and the mantra becomes like that, you know, you get that song song stuck in your head. That’s what happens when you’re doing a mantra every single day. And the one that I’m doing right now is a three part.

Meditation for 90 minutes. There’s a mudra involved where you interlock your to you put your both hands and Gyan Mudra, which is the thumb and index finger touching, which is the seal of knowledge, the Seal of consciousness, and you interlock them, which now makes sacred geometry the vesica Pisces. So I really love this part of having this as a sacred geometry mudra then there’s three mantras. The first one is bond bond, and this one is invoking the Divine Mother, this the spiritual mother, the Adi Shakti, the creator. And then we move into the second mantra, which is don don ROM das guru. And this one is all about making the impossible possible. It’s called crossing the crisis. So the world’s in crisis right now. So that’s why I’m doing this meditation. So we’re recreating with the vesica Pisces, this is the symbol of creation, the vesica Pisces so we’re creating a new world. So the second mantra is all about making the impossible become possible through miracles and believing in miracles. We see miracles every day. And the more I do this mantra, I’m seeing miracles happen right before my very eyes all the time. It’s amazing. Okay, and then the third mantra is heart Hooray, howdy. Which means planting the seed, watching the flow of planting the seed of infinite creativity. Hari Hari Hari Hari is watching the flow of creativity. parkeri hari is manifesting that creativity. And how can a Petit WaheGuru WaheGuru is wow, and being taken from the darkness into the night that light that’s what a guru is goo is the dark room with the light. So why he is wow, I’m being taken from the dark into the light Waheguru and I’m watching the beautiful process of how everything is unfolding from the seeding of planting to the flow of the growing of the creation to the manifestation and to the final harvest. So that’s where we’re at right now on the planet and and everybody that’s meditating everybody who’s doing yoga, they’re planting these the seeds of a new world. Not a new world order, bro, a new world Love and Light and peace and truth and higher consciousness and compassion for each other without any kind of division, you know, just acceptance of each other, knowing the truth of what is right what is wrong so that we are in right relationship and doing right action for ourselves and for our planet and animal kingdom. And when we can find that balance, which I believe that we will because I was talking earlier a little bit about shriek Heswall, he wrote the cycles of consciousness, we have what’s called the yugas. And it takes the 26,000 year cycle for a for a full Yuga that goes from the Iron Age, Silver Age, the Bronze Age and the Golden Age. And that’s the Age of Enlightenment. And so we have come out of the Kali age and have entered into the the Bronze Age, which is the dwapara Yuga. And that’s where we are right now. And we are on the A sending part of that. So the you guys have a 13,000 year, a sending cycle and a 13,000 year descending cycle. So it takes 26,000 years. So we’re on a sending we’ve come out of the dark ages, we’ve come out of a really dense low level consciousness area. And now there’s we’re only going to go up now, but like a friend of mine says, gorgeous Sufi he’s he’s someone you might want to interview some time gone just Sufi, he’s cool. He’s a recording artists you can check out I’ll send you a link to some of yours. He says you could go through hell to get to have so for sure are in hell right now, but on our way to happen.

Brandon Handley 51:12
For sure, for sure. And I think that I think that we’re in an accelerated accelerated pace. So we’re gonna plug in real quick here, you know, cosmic wantaway on Instagram. Sounds like she might know her stuff a little bit on some yoga and and some of the background and sacred geometry. So I know that that’s something I wanted to get more into with you. And I don’t think we’re gonna have time for that. But I do want to call out the fact that I believe you got some sacred geometry intertwined on some of your book covers, if I’m not mistaken, and you want to toss out, you know, what about what is it about cosmic one away and let’s share a little bit about the book so that we can

Lisa S Johnson 51:52
have, okay, so I have two books, the first one came out called 108, rock star guitars. And when you when you first look at the cover, it’s, it’s it doesn’t have a guitar on the cover, it has motifs of guitars on it, and like a guitar headstocks and guitar bodies and but it looks it’s all formed in the shape of a lotus flower. And it’s all intertwined with the number 108, which totals nine in numerology, one plus zero plus eight. So there are nine, guitar headstocks to go around the flower petals, and around the circumference of the book. And when you first open up the book, the Sri Yantra sacred geometry artwork is inside of it. And it asks the question, why 108 and then I get to infuse the spiritual cosmic message of the number 108 and yoga philosophy. because music is spiritual, you know, music can take you to Nirvana. So I wanted to invoke that cosmic philosophy of 108 into the book. So that’s 108 rock star guitars. And now on September 28th, this year, my new book called immortal axes will be coming out. And the cover is similar. It’s no guitar on the cover, but there’s a skull that has the vesica Pisces sacred geometry in his forehead in the third eye. And his eyes are made up of the diamond inlay headstock on a Gibson Guitar. And that’s going around in his eyes and his nose is an upside down Flying V. And then he’s surrounded by little guitar bodies with gold. They’re all laid and gold sparkles. You know, it’s very sparkly, and it’s called immortal axes. Because when a musician makes music, he makes it on that wire and wood and that memory of that work is embedded in that wire and wood. And when the artist passes on, the guitar still is holding the notes and holding that music within it. And so that’s immortalizing the song memorializing that artists, just like the song itself when it’s recorded immortalizes the artists so there are about 47 artists in this book that have passed away. There’s 157 artists featured in this book including David Gilmore’s $4 million black strap that just sold and Rory Gallagher’s Fender super famous Fender Pete Townsend’s number nine Les Paul is in this in this book. Peter Frampton wrote the foreword and Suzi quatro wrote the afterword, some very, very happy to present this book to the world and hope that people enjoy it as much as I can as much as as much fun with as I have photographing it traveling around the world.

Brandon Handley 54:46
So one thing you know, for the people that are listening, and don’t get the chance to see the pictures and the artwork and the artworks amazing on these these covers, and I love what we were talking I love it for seen pictures but hadn’t seen the hadn’t seen it in somebody’s hands. Book and somebody says the book is large. What’s the dimensions on

Lisa S Johnson 55:11
108 rocks in our guitars weighs about nine pounds. And it’s let’s see, 11 inches by 13 is that you know, a and then the second book is a square book it’s 11 and a quarter I think by 11 and a quarter plus the the rock star of the cars one is a red leather leather rat, press press leather rat and this immortal axes is a black cover with gold and silver sparkling motifs on it have guitar motifs on it.

Brandon Handley 55:51
I think the artwork is so cool. And I think anybody would anybody into guitars Classic Rock, rock and roll this face would be you know, this would be such trying to sell. This would be like such a new gift. Something so cool. I love what you’ve done with it. Give me like one story of like maybe the most challenging guitar to get to, or like the one that you felt like, was like the pinnacle for you.

Lisa S Johnson 56:16
Yeah, well, one of them I have to say is Joan Jett, because you know she’s a woman and rock and she rocks really hard and she’s paved the way for a lot of women in music. Before even her there was Suzi quatro, Suzi quatro actually paved the way for Joan Jett. And Joan will will say that it was really hard to get to Joan. She’s not super happy to have a lot of photographers around. And so I think that was one of the issues that I kept requesting. And they just, they don’t really have photographers around, and I usually shoot before after shows. So I finally was getting finished with this book. And I really want to Joan and I’ve asked several times, because for me, she’s the most important woman to have in the book and as a female artist, because she influenced so many. And of course, Suzi quatro, she wrote the the afterword for the book, so I’m just so important to mean, and so amazing that she did that. But finally, I was rounding up, I was just finishing the book, and I really wanted Joan. And I just couldn’t not not have Joan. And so I finally realized, you know, I’ve worked with the heart Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for so many photoshoots and I was there doing a shoot, I think it was it was before the David Gilmore shoot Anyway, it was one of the shoots. And I said, by chance do you guys happen to have a Joan Jett guitar? In the rock hall? And they said, Well, well, yes, we do, actually. And so then I realized, you know, I’m just gonna find out if they’ll let me photograph the guitar. They don’t have to do B here. It’s not before after a show. And so we went back to them and said, Hey, you know, how about just let me photograph the guitar that’s at the rock Hall. And she’ll do the rest. She’ll make all the arrangements. And they said, Yes. So it’s

Brandon Handley 58:07
very cool. I just want to give the idea to that. This is a kind of like a life that you follow your bliss, kind of thing. Right? You followed your kind of journey followed your heart, and does this production is a display of that.

Lisa S Johnson 58:26
Yeah, it wasn’t easy. I have insecurities just like anyone else. And you know, when you’re putting your neck out there for yourself, like, you know, I’m a photographer, and this is my work. You’re putting your soul out on the line, you’re showing your photos and it’s something that you like, it may not be that somebody else likes, you know, so you you get a lot of nose. I’ve had to hear no, a lot. And then I’ve had a lot of yeses, and I’ve had way more yeses than I’ve had knows. And it was because of perseverance and just not taking no for an answer. I mean, I asked, had to ask Billy Givens people many, many times until I finally met him under the stage at Rolling Stones concert and said, Hey, Billy ever trying to get through to you, you know, and then the next time I requested I got a yes. So and then just saying, like, I don’t have Mark Knopfler yet. And he’s one of my all time favorite guitar players in the world ever, ever, ever. And I’m not going to give up on Mark even though they’ve told me no. They’ve said no. Many times.

Brandon Handley 59:30
Hold now for what’s your now for so I think the story is great. I love I love what you’ve done. I really want to say thanks for stopping Jose. I do have one more question for you today. We’ll say a little bit of spiritual speed dating. I figured somebody is on here and they’re looking for their next like spiritual date and you could be it. Okay, so that’s where we’re at number one. What was the specific one? I think it fits what’s the relationship between science and Religion.

Lisa S Johnson 1:00:01
It’s getting closer and closer. I think that CERN has certainly helped to view the science experiments they’ve been doing at CERN. Trying to find the God Particle. I think that’s been important. And I think that science is finally recognizing, they never get to find. Because you can’t see that with your eyes. That’s something you have to feel. And science is finally starting to understand that. And I know that they are because even quite a few years ago, they put Ken Wilber on the cover of science and spirituality magazine. I think it was. And he was he’s ahead, you know, if you haven’t studied Ken Wilber, he’s someone really interesting. And I learned a lot from him and and now that’s correlating with somewhere. So I mean, yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:01:00
I know. I know. He’s on the list. Okay. He’s on my list.

Lisa S Johnson 1:01:04
But yes, yeah. Listen to the CD series called cosmic consciousness cosmic with a K. That’s all you need to do. Just get that series you can. I think you can download it on iTunes now or cosmic consciousness. Ken Wilber. It’s one of the most important things you could listen to. And there you’ll see science meatsuit spirits rally and what he talks about. And you can watch shrieve testhorse book, the science of yoga, and that is bringing science and spirituality together, check out what cern is doing. And of course, students at CERN has gotten really weird. So there’s some strange stuff going on at CERN, too, but

Brandon Handley 1:01:45
black holes,

Lisa S Johnson 1:01:47
I suppose. Yeah. A lot of stuff has happened over there.

Brandon Handley 1:01:51
Oh, man, that would be cool. That would be cool to know more. Well, he’s so much fun. Where should I send everybody to go check out your books.

Lisa S Johnson 1:02:01
Okay, so to check out the books, go to my Instagram, at LS j for Lisa s Johnson at lsj rock photos. lsj rock photos is where you’ll find me on Instagram. And there’s a link there my link tree that allows you to both of my books, and for cosmic wantaway for yoga classes comm and rock your Kundalini with me every Saturday from 10 to 11am PST, that’s Los Angeles time. And it’s just a one hour long class from 10 to 11. And we get into all the subjects that we’ve been talking about. And we do a Korea for about 30 minutes, and we do meditation and it opens with some context around what the class is about and what the meditation will be about. And then we go right into it. And we have a gong bath, or a sound bath afterwards, because the gong is very important. It’s the most powerful meditation, it clears the subconscious mind. So we do a gong wrap at the end of every class. So come and rock your Kundalini with me at cosmic 108. It’s cosmic underscore 108.

Brandon Handley 1:03:08
And you have made how many Saturdays in a row

Lisa S Johnson 1:03:14
since COVID started so we’ve gotten a year and a half now, isn’t it? You know, started in February or March of last year. So March, April, May, June, July, August. Yeah. So it’s a year and five months, every single Saturday, I’ve only had one class covered for me by one of the teacher and that would be our friend Parrish. He’s, he’s jumped in when I when I needed him to come and teach a class and he’s very fun. Have you taken this class?

Brandon Handley 1:03:41
I’ve taken a couple of his, like zoom classes. Yes.

Lisa S Johnson 1:03:45
Yeah. Yeah. He’s very funny. He’s fun. And he’s, he’s ahead. You know, he really with that Harvard education, his brain like,

Brandon Handley 1:03:54
you know, for sure. For sure. Lisa, this has been so much fun. I’m so glad that we we finally we finally got the chance to put the time and again, I love I think the artworks amazing photography is fantastic. I love the size of them, write your books and just don’t Kundalini, I think of bringing that out to the world and letting people do that with you. And that’s just on the set. As you said, You’re helping so

Lisa S Johnson 1:04:24
I’m here to serve. That’s what we’re here to do on the planet. Follow our be creative. And follow your heart, listen to your heart, and be creative and then everything falls into place. So and being in service with your creativity. So that’s what I’m trying to do bringing joy into people’s lives just because they get to see their favorite guitar

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Katie Beecher is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Katie Beecher is an internationally known Medical and Emotional Intuitive and Licensed Professional Counselor with over 30 years of experience.  Join us today as we chat about a number of different topics, and lean in as we speak on how Katie beat her own eating disorders and what it has been like for her to lean into her spiritual gifts! Connect with Katie: https://katiebeecher.com/ on insta @katiebeecher_medical_intuitive

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Hey, their spiritual dope. I am on today with world renowned Katie Beecher. She is an internationally known medical and emotional intuitive and a licensed professional counselor with over 30 years of experience. Katie and I met, I don’t even know, I think you think we connected through one of the podcast like dating sites. There’s like, it’s like pot it or pod match. And that’s how we connected, we had a really good conversation going back a little bit ago, some of the things that you’re well known for, or at least that you you share out is some of the work you’ve done with the goop platform. Right? And how I usually like to start these out Katie’s the whole idea that you and I are your medium, right? So this is, this is nothing new to you, you and I are connected to source like at all times, right? And everything’s really happening to us and through us for a purpose to the end of hopefully servicing or benefiting another, right? And as as you and I are having this conversation, there’s gonna be somebody on the other end of this podcast listening in, and there’s a message coming through you to them that can only be delivered through you what is that message that connection to intuition, self love, and self acceptance, you can heal from just about anything. What do you have an example of one that

Katie Beecher 6:23
I heard this in my head when I was 16. recovering from an eating disorder, I was bulimic suicidal, complete and total mass didn’t even know who I was, was never mind loving myself. And it was divine intervention, because I was ready to just be like, I’m not living like this anymore. That’s insane. divine intervention, maybe call my pediatrician without telling my parents and basically saying, you know, I’m throwing up three times a day, there’s something really wrong with me. And it was 1983. And they didn’t really pay that much attention to eatings the hardest time and he said, I think you’ll be okay. And I said no, I’m totally not okay. So he gave me the name of a Jungian therapist. I don’t know how familiar Carl Jung you are. But maybe that’s some of the message for people out there is to look up Carl Jung and, and what he talks about, because he’s pretty amazing. But it took me three months to get the courage up to call the therapist, and I finally did, and I had a car and a job. And I got myself there and paid for it myself and worked really hard. And it gave me the courage to connect with my intuitive abilities, which I had been afraid of, and become a licensed counselor. And eventually, you know, do this work, even if the counselor always listened to my guides and spirit and just kind of let them run the show. For the same reason I knew whoever was there with me, needed to hear whatever it was that they needed to say. And I trusted in that. And now, life is pretty interesting.

Brandon Handley 8:04
We’ll have to expand on that one for sure. Life Life is pretty interesting. So I think that is right. 1983. Here is your you know, you’re you’re in a situation, just throwing out three times a day to like, should be okay, that’s me. Who says that? Right? Thank you. All right. Yeah, this type of thing happens all the time, right for life, just don’t worry about it. So and then, and then you know, someone on too young, I am fairly familiar. I know. Earlier in the year, I did a pretty, you know, went through the red book and like some of his other stuff. Super, super great content. And he’s the one that I found the word numinous from, right. So just just kind of like, when you’re when people ask about kind of the awakening experience, or when you consider the awakening experience. What’s that like? And I think the best word for me is the word numinous. Right? You’re just like this. Full body. Theory. Oh, hi. Right. And that I got that from young. Right. So love his stuff. And so he gave you the strength? I mean, how did that lend into the strength to your intuitive?

Katie Beecher 9:27
Yeah, so for people who don’t know about young he basically was he was this famous psychiatrists doing great in his life, thought he was having a nervous breakdown because he started to see visions of dead bodies and bloody rivers and, and things and he could have gone the other way. He could have said, I’m going nuts and I’m going to put myself in somewhere and not talk to people and not deal with clients. And instead, he decided to immerse himself in this experience and Do these kind of like, kind of awakened meditations, if you would, he was kind of doing transits, but he was awake and things. And he, accidentally divine intervention, found his spiritual guide and connected to his intuition and made these amazing illustrations and things. But it was, it was through that courage. And through those connections, that he developed all of his really famous theories and principles that people like Louise Hay and Tara Brock, and everyone under the sun is now using today with, you know, symptoms being symbols for what’s really going on with us and connecting to our intuition. So, for me, it was the perfect way of recovery, because I had all of these kind of psychic experiences that I’ve been having, since I was a kid picking up a lot of negativity and evil stuff, and it made me not want to connect to any of that it really made me very afraid, and very shy and withdrawn. And I just didn’t feel comfortable with myself, I had been bullied, I grew up in a very dysfunctional family, which added to the fun chaos, like a lot of people get addicted do. And working with a therapist who taught me to trust myself, who taught me to trust these inner voices I was having, who taught me about self acceptance, accepting all of the parts of me, even the parts I didn’t like, who did not look at me when I was like, I was crazy when I said, I saw dead people and heard things and knew what was gonna happen in Instead, she encouraged all of that. And so, for me, that was the perfect type of therapy. And another concept that’s it’s young, and I can’t take credit for, but he taught that intuition is God with him. Which means that it’s all knowing force, that is part of everyone. It protects you, it gives you a source of self love unaccept I mean, unconditional love, unconditional acceptance, and always keeps you safe. And for me, it was like, I didn’t have that anywhere in my life. So that gave me the courage to then figure out who I was, and be my authentic self, and just listen to my intuition to them, you know, become a therapist and, and do this intuitive work. And it just, I think if we’re listening to our intuition, we’re being our authentic self.

Brandon Handley 12:46
So I think it’s awesome, you had somebody even at that young age, to be able to come up to you, to tell you to help guide you to exactly yourself, to, to stop looking outside for the acceptance, to understand that everything that you need for your acceptance is already kind of within. Right, and then the idea sounds like he did, like, you know, some shadow work as it were, right, Jeremy in, I think he’s neither one of the, you know, or forefathers of that, right? And being able to accept all of who you are, this unconditional love is acceptance of all of who you are bringing all of that to the party. Right? And realizing that within that is your strength. Those are some of your strengths. Right? And then the almost like the intuition is God within I love that too is the idea has actually think about this this morning is we’re made in His image, God’s image, whatever made his image. But if we stopped thinking of that image being made in the image of this physical form, and we started thinking of being made in His image in the spiritual form. That’s the that’s the image. We’re made it. Right. And that’s what I’m, that’s what I’m hearing you say, because I said it to myself earlier today.

Katie Beecher 14:24
Thought of intuition as our source. And when I say intuition, I mean, my guides, I still do all this work today. Um, you know, it was it’s my source, so it made me so whatever I do, it’s kind of like a dog. Like it doesn’t really matter what you look like or what you weigh. Or if you make a mistake, or anything like that. It still loves you an exception no matter what. And it was. It’s kind of a weird concept in a way because like you just said, I wasn’t looking to the outside for acceptance anymore. I was looking inside but at the same time, when you Have an addiction or an eating disorder or something like that. It’s very narcissistic. Because you are thinking constantly about what you look like, what? what other people are going to think of you? How much water Did you drink? How many calories, whatever the thing is. So you’re just in your own bubble. And you don’t realize that you’re not taking other people’s feelings or lives into consideration, because you’re too sick too.

Brandon Handley 15:29
Sure. I think that I heard it earlier today. You’re more in this mean space? And yeah, the AI space. Is that right? I mean, look, I’m still trying to figure it all out myself. You’ve got it, you’ve got a you’ve got a couple couple, you’ve got the advantage in terms of time. And space for sure. A couple right. And, and I think that’s awesome, too, because this is one of those things where, while the journey looks real different on the outside, for the most part, I think internally, it’s real similar for for most, right, we like, oh, you’re at like, you know, you’re at this bend of the river. Be sure like around here, watch out for rocks.

Katie Beecher 16:09
Right? addictions, right? Feeling things. You’re too afraid, or you think there’s something wrong with you. And I don’t care if it’s eating disorder, I don’t care what the hell you’re doing.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Well, let’s, let’s chase that one a little bit. Let’s talk about the addiction to not feeling things. I’m curious, almost for my own self. And but like, that’s not when you hear too much about right? What’s that look like? And what are some signs? What is no, I don’t know.

Katie Beecher 16:34
Yeah. So combat, I realized, the hardest part of getting better for me, which I’ve been cured, I guess, recovered from bulimia for like 30 years. And I’m really lucky, most people don’t want to get to recover. And but the hardest part of it, and the most essential part was learning to love myself. Now, it’s really sad that we have to do that and it gets shut off. But that’s the way it is. So in not loving and accepting yourself, what you’re basically doing is you’re pushing down how you feel, because it’s what we feel that then makes us act what we feel and think that makes us act. And so I could not feel anything that went against what my parents were saying what they were teaching, you know, there’s no dysfunction here, everything’s fine. Well, yeah, there is, there’s a lot. You know, and I encounter this a lot with clients, they’re like, we tried to speak up, or we tried to change things, or we tried to whatever, and nobody would listen. So we stopped having feelings, we stopped talking. And I don’t believe that we can ever push down who we truly are. When we do that, we get sick, all kinds of things happen. So it’s easier to eat everything in sight, and throw up or if you drink alcohol, or if you choose time how alter your brain and your life. It’s easier to do that than it is to risk feeling upset, risk feeling rejection, from your parents risk, saying something to them that is going to make them abandon you. It’s a coping mechanism that we create. Much like being an empath is you have to figure out what people are feeling and thinking before they act. So you protect yourself. But I really believe that that’s what it’s about. Because if you can have free thought, and free will and think you can be yourself. But if you can’t, it’s a very, very painful existence.

Brandon Handley 18:50
Yes, if you don’t, if you don’t express what you’re feeling, in some way, shape or form, it’s going to manifest in some way. And oftentimes that expresses itself in some type of dis ease, right? It’s gonna show up I mean, look, I’m not a doctor, I’m not anything, but it could show up as as a sickness, General malaise, cancer, like, you know, Oh, my, you know, my back is acting up. And you know, yesterday, everything was fine. So sound sounds a little bit like new cut. That’s what you’re saying. And then, you know, it’s like the, it’s like, they take these feelings and they shuffle them, right. But you’re talking about, it’s easier to do the addiction. And it’s in that addiction.

Katie Beecher 19:33
Correct. So, in reality, it’s not easier to do the addiction. It’s a horrible way to live, you know, but we think it’s easier because that fear of being rejected if we’re ourselves is so great and varied. You don’t even realize you’re feeling it, that you just go straight to your coping mechanism. And people out of fear think they can’t win. Without this coping mechanism, and then there’s the physical addiction aspect to a lot of things too. But they just think if I risk being myself, like if I risk setting boundaries with people and saying no, and not taking care of everybody, and asserting myself, those people are then not going to love me anymore or not want me around, or whatever. And it’s pretty, nobody wants to be lonely and rejected, you know, but no one wants to live with addiction either.

Brandon Handley 20:33
Right now, I hear you, I hear you in what you’re saying there twos is for the person that’s living that way. Right? It’s, that may be true, those people do not want you anymore after that. And that you may be 100%. Correct. But the people that come behind that, after you assert yourself after you create your own space after, you know, we’re made in His image as creators, right. And you create the life that you want, on purpose with intention. The next line of people are going to be the ones that are a step beyond the

Katie Beecher 21:12
very least Yeah, I had. One, I have an amazing husband and two fantastic daughters, and they have great spouses. And this family is real.

Brandon Handley 21:24
Right? Yeah, I love that. So let’s talk about some mediumship. I mean, you know, so you did you did like the, you know, kind of the clinical work, right, but now are you kind of all in on,

Katie Beecher 21:37
you know, as a medical intuitive, which is basically the work I do, I work in a very unique way. Just with someone’s name and age, somebody will contact me through my website, give me their name, and age and their contact info. And I create a four page report. It’s extremely detailed about physical, emotional, and spiritual things in their life from when they were little to now to their relationships, career, anything, anything that impacts their quality of life, but at that way, I create that. And then I do a symbolic painting, watercolor painting. And before meeting with them, I send them all of this information, then we meet and discuss it all. And I don’t know how I do it. But I always hear like, you didn’t know me before this really like I thought I’ve known you forever. And how do you do this, and it’s pretty amazing. So with the goal really is few things to look at any kind of issues they’re having. Look at the root cause is anything that I can handle, you know, spiritual emotion, even sometimes physical, we’ll address we’ll develop a new a plan for recovering and feeling better. I have doctors and other professionals that I work with, to help with either confirming my findings, diagnosing, treating things like that, because I am not legally allowed to make diagnoses and I shouldn’t be, you know. So even though people doing this work sometimes do I, that’s not okay. And they’re where I get my information from is from, you know, my own intuition from my guides, their loved ones who have passed off often come through, I get information for people that they care about, not just themselves. And it’s a pretty amazing process. People are like, this is like a year of therapy and an hour. So it’s pretty cool.

Brandon Handley 23:46
That’s potent, right? I mean, so it’s just just a name. And their age.

Katie Beecher 23:52
Yeah, I put that I use, I sit down, just kind of, you know, think about their name, get a download from my guides, fill it all out. And the painting allows for some symbolic information. As a human, I can think too hard or interpret the information I’m getting. I try not do but I’m human, but with the symbolic information like this is. You can see that yeah. So that’s one of the paintings, it’s really glary. They’re all really different. And the colors all mean something the way that the arms are or the hips or the way the legs are facing or all of that all means something.

Brandon Handley 24:37
When you say it all means something. Does that mean that it all means something to you? Or is that something that they pick up? And it’s almost I mean, I’m not trying to say Rorschach. So

Katie Beecher 24:46
yeah, I don’t know what it means as I’m painting the picture. At the end of the session, I go to it and kind of start at the beginning. start at the top and say okay, this is where I started. My guides are telling me that this is what this means. You know, the placement of this is usually like my signal, like, if somebody has their arms up like that, that’s my signal for somebody who’s like, Okay, I’m just done with where I’m living. I’ve had it, you know, time for a new start. And what’s very important to me through the whole process, is that what I’m saying resonates with people, I teach everyone how to connect to their intuition. And trust themselves. It’s not my job to substitute my intuition for someone else’s. You know, that’s, that’s not what I’m trying to do. And we all have strengths within us. And we all do kind of know what we need, we just don’t always know how to get there.

Brandon Handley 25:43
Yeah, 100%. And I think, when you’re saying teach them to get to their throat intuition, once they kind of hit it once or twice, they know what that resonance is. Right? So once they understand what that resonance is, and that way of getting there, there’s kind of a specific pathway back to them, at least one route, right? And I gotta imagine that there’s more than one route, but like, Hey, we just hit it, you know, in the whole Joseph Campbell’s follow your bliss type thing. It’s like, you know, there’s, there’s different ways that you’re going to achieve this. Right. But this is this is you’re

Katie Beecher 26:26
learning to trust what you’re getting? And not second guess it and not overthink it. And that everybody can connect. And somebody will say, well, is this just what I want to hear? Am I making this up? You know, or does this just why does it just sound like me? You know, why aren’t you seeing angels and everything. And I’m like, you don’t have to it doesn’t have to be this earth shattering experience. And we use intuition all the time. People just don’t even realize it. And I’ll try to point out things you know, you said to me about this, that you pick this up, remember that? Oh, yeah. So

Brandon Handley 27:05
that I think it’s neat to write it and the idea of, of not overthinking it, and really trusting it. So do you, how do you get someone to start trusting their intuition? Like, you know, you and I are working on like, Listen, I was feeling this thing. And I just don’t know if I trusted Katie, like, what some of the guidance for me to start trusting more and stop this. So what are some,

Katie Beecher 27:28
so I remind them, of out kind of ask them about like, common one is if people who are have been in really bad relationships, and they’re afraid of getting into another one, or they’re afraid of getting out of their really dysfunctional relationship, because they think they’re just going to find another person who doesn’t treat them well. So I asked, you know, what were the warning signs that you had? Like, I don’t know, like, okay, now, that’s not acceptable. What are the warning signs, you know, a bit of this going wrong? Like, did he do this, did she do this did whatever it was, and I try to remind them of times that they use their intuition. Or even with medical intuition, we all have it. So you have this symptom. You knew enough to get yourself to the hospital, or you knew it was gonna be fine, I didn’t really need to go there or with your kid, you know, you know, when your kids have ear infections, or whatever it is, so I really tried to reinforce times where they use their intuition, and they could trust it. And also times when they did hear from their intuition and didn’t trust it, and we’re really sorry. So some of is that kind of, you know, kind of thing. Um, also, we talk a lot about intuition and fear, because that comes up. And my general rule of thumb is fear makes you feel more anxious. And it makes you overthink more and not trust yourself. Whereas intuition may warn you of things, but it’s going to do it in a comforting way, in a way that makes you nurture yourself and not create more chaos in your life. And a lot of people will say, it’s easier for me to listen to intuition for other people than for myself. So I’m like, okay, apply some of that to you when, you know, a lot of it’s just hand holding and confidence building and, and things like that. But there’s, there’s some, some young in techniques that I teach people about writing your intuition and your body and putting it right back to you. And so, yeah, a lot of it’s just like, letting people know that it’s, it’s there and that they don’t have to be Katie Beecher, or whoever else to be able to trust their intuition.

Brandon Handley 29:57
Right, so you’re sure Hey, this is open to anybody, it is open to you like Katie Beecher is not open to me, right? And you’re like, let’s, let’s walk through. Let me count the ways. Let me count the ways. Hey, did any of this ever show up in these relationships? Like you’re saying, and then, you know, you get the point out, and I guess, you get to walk them along with Oh, yep. That was intuition. Yep. That was intuition. I love how you kind of also juxtapose intuition and fear, right? Like how fears is kind of like the fears is almost like shielding the light as it were, right? And then, you know, if you’re, if you’re acting in fear, there’s like this, there’s this uneasiness, this taste and discomfort, whereas like, when you’re you’re following intuition. There’s a nurturing feeling. There’s, it’s almost like, it’s almost like, you know, the doors been open for you. There’s like, I’m thinking of like, almost like walking on, like, fresh green grass. Right. Right. Right. And, and not just in this kind of future state. Don’t do that. Because it’s going to impact your I am this. Right. It’s something you know, for. Sure, follow that. But that’s okay. Right. It’s okay. Right. I think, I think to do things out of safety, and and just is okay, this person, I’m on the first day with them, and something doesn’t feel right. Well, trust. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go with that. We never liked each other from the beginning. Go with that. You know what I mean? All right. Yeah, it’s real imperative to really want to have the second date, not just to see if the first one was a fluke. It’s not about whether that person likes you. Do you like them? Right. Yeah. I mean, that I think that’s, that’s even more important, right? Stop holding out for, you knows, again, that external love, stop looking for that outside and then, you know, seeking for it, you know, once you have it for yourself, you’ve got it, and then everybody else wants it. Right? They’ll come to you for that. So anyway, the whole attractive thing. So what is something that you’re like really working on right now? talks program. So

Katie Beecher 32:30
I’m really excited about this. I have a book coming out, it’s being published in February, it’s available for presale, it’s called heal from within an intuitive guide to wellness. And it’s telling some of my backstory, helping people connect to their intuition. And telling people how to do a lot of the same techniques that I do during my individual readings to detect their issues, get to the root cause, you know, get insight learn to love themselves and care about themselves. And me and my husband calls it Katy Beecher, the home game. But you know, kind of is as much as you could do that for, for the masses. But it’s very detailed. There’s tons of, you know, quizzes and skills and tools and all that kind of stuff to use. I’m super excited about that. And then, in October, this October, at the Omega center in Rhinebeck, New York, I’m doing a week long workshop. And it has the same title, title here permitting. And it’s going to be mostly exercises and activities, because I don’t like to just sit around and listen to me talk. But all about, again, connecting to intuition. teaching people how to do those paintings that I do, how to do medical intuitive readings, how to connect yourself connecting to your body, all that kind of stuff. So I’m those are, you know, the two big things coming up. I have an Instagram Live coming up with Miranda Kerr that I’m excited about. And in October too. But um, yeah, so it’s, it’s getting to kind of teach people on mass, what I do, and then how they can use that to be healthier and happier.

Brandon Handley 34:13
So I think you should just add to the home game. Alright. I love that. I’m like that. My bliss and intuition, Katie is saying that that’s the one. So why now? Why the book now?

Katie Beecher 34:29
Yeah, what’s new, going to write a book when I was recovering from the eating disorder? I was told then this is a really good thing that you have this. I’m very grateful for the eating disorder experience, because so many reasons, but I wouldn’t be who I am today wouldn’t be my authentic self. But I knew then that I was going to write this book and be working with the whole world, basically. And I guess I just had to go through a whole lot of crap to get there. And to be ready. Um, and they do. And six, seven years ago, six years ago, I found out that I had Lyme disease. Every co infection in Lyme probably had it since I was a kid growing up in Connecticut. So I asked my guides, okay, what’s the deal? You know why now? Why am I finding this out? And they said, it’s time for you to stop putting off writing reading your book proposal. So I listened finally did that. I’m not a writer. So it was a little daunting and terrifying. Got some help with it? And now there’s a book. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:44
That’s great. That’s great. And right, like, life will stop you from doing everything else until you do the thing that you’re supposed to be doing. Right. So, I mean, were you going through that condition? And instead of saying, Why, God, why, yeah, we’re like, Alright, what’s this? What’s in here? For me? Well, yeah,

Katie Beecher 36:04
I knew enough about my recoveries from other things to say, Okay, this is not my enemy. This is not out to get me. It’s scary. It’s supposed to be scary, because it’s getting my attention. So what’s the reason? What am I supposed to do with this and learn from it? And I didn’t want to be a patient. And be poor me. And because that wasn’t serving me. So it was, yeah, it was it was kind of practicing what I preach really, which is, you know, we screw up. Sometimes we try to do our best.

Brandon Handley 36:41
But I mean, I think that’s interesting, too, right? Because as much as we know, all this stuff, and we practice and we preach it and we go through it doesn’t mean we’re invulnerable to those things, right? And then it’s when they happen. We’re like, he’s son of a bitch. Right? Like, all right, you can call it calling my Bluff, right? as it were. Let’s see, let’s see,

Katie Beecher 37:07
can I roll behind me? That’s awesome. That is my love. I enjoy it. I’m addicted to it. And I got a shoulder injury, not doing poll. And there was there was a message to that, which I’ve done after going through the whole thing, but I’m like, dammit.

Brandon Handley 37:23
I love you know, I love that you do you do some of the the pole dancing on here and stuff on your Insta stuff? It’s, I mean, I love it, right? You’re just out there doing it and doing your thing. I think that that’s, you know, just more of doing your thing, right? It’s just part of who you are doing it. And it’s not right or wrong,

Katie Beecher 37:42
kill you when it’s good for you. And it’s as strong as I’ve ever been in my life. And it’s good for body image. You know, if you told me back when I had an eating disorder that I would be wearing, basically, bikini on the internet, you are insane. I would have been with the beach. So you know. Right?

Brandon Handley 37:59
Good for you. I mean, look, that’s I mean, that’s a long journey to get there. So So I mean, there’s got it, there’s a lot I think there’s power in that story as well, for sure. For the Yes, omega center, who is your ideal client? Who should be attending? Like this? That’s a really, really yeah.

Katie Beecher 38:21
I feel like someone who knows nothing at all, about spirituality or intuition, or art, or any of that stuff would be great. And the clients I work with run from knowing nothing to being practitioners themselves, um, people who do intuitive work or energy work, or who were even physicians or acupuncturist or whatever, it’s advanced enough that they would get something out of it. For sure, it’s, you know, it’s my own things that I’ve created and invented with some young thrown in. So, really, I have purposely

Brandon Handley 39:01
wait with this other guy young that I heard of. He’s okay. He’s a small contributor,

Katie Beecher 39:08
you know, so I think things that people have not been exposed to be for unless you’ve had a reading, but even then, it’s kind of cool. So it’s people who know nothing, people who are have some sort of illness or whatever, like, who doesn’t, you know, learn more about that people who want to help themselves and clients or and other people. And it’s, I really want it to be I want to be friendly, not scary. You know, but also for people to say, Well, I didn’t know I could do that. And I’m

Brandon Handley 39:49
alright. Right. We I mean, I guess if there’s somebody out there who’s in the area and are thinking and maybe they they, you know, they would just want to test out this Medical intuition on themselves, this is something I could go check out and then, right. It’s something that, yeah, they could they could put into practice, like, almost immediately. One thing I want to circle back on is something that you hit on, is the whole idea that I think it’s I just want to help reinforce for you is that you into it, you have conversations with the people. And you recommend that they go to a specialist people that I validate,

Katie Beecher 40:31
I want to have experience with, right? That right? No, are ethical our caring, are qualified to do their thing. So in the reading, we talk about physical, emotional, spiritual, I will identify things that I see, you know, like physical symptoms, emotional symptoms, I’ll identify all that. And I could say, you know, symptoms such similar to Lyme or similar to something else. But this is these are some people that I recommend, some who work online, some are who are in the area, who can, can look into what I’ve said further, do some testing. So you have empirical information, do some treatment, I cannot treat people that’s not legal or ethical either. So

Brandon Handley 41:29
yeah, I’m yeah, that’s something I want to call out, right? I wanted to double down on that. So somebody only, maybe they weren’t really listening to the first half. And they come in the backend? Well, you can’t just do these things and send people off, right? And tell them they’re gonna be okay. You’re telling them you know, there’s Hey, there’s more work, there’s more work beyond what I just talked about. Please go right. validate this with somebody who’s certified because that’s not what I do here. What I do here is I you know, we help we discuss, we understand, I show you two that you can do this through your own intuition. That’s why you’re here with me today, right? Because you’ve got intuition. And now Hey, let’s not stop there.

Katie Beecher 42:09
And also I have them contact me after what what did you find? What’s going on with you? What did you find? And you can ask questions about the reading afterwards for no extra charge? Because I don’t think it’s fair. If someone has a question, they make a whole new appointment. Like that’s not cool. So I follow up with them and want to know what’s going on. And in some people, a lot of people make follow up appointments, some people don’t, it’s all it’s all good, depending what you want to do. But it’s it’s a process.

Brandon Handley 42:39
Katie, real similar to the who should be showing up for your events, like who’s your guy, I know, you get customers from all different types of moves, what seems to be like your most prevalent

Katie Beecher 42:51
Can I definitely get people who do have others who don’t, people who just want to connect to their intuition or improve their relationships or whatever. But the vast majority of people, I would say, have a physical or mental health condition that they haven’t gotten the help that they’ve needed or wanted. for it, they want to learn more about it, they want to get to the root cause instead of mandating and taking medicine or whatever. So they really want to get to the bottom of it and feel better permanently, you know, have lasting, lasting health and lasting wellness, and find their life purpose and be authentic.

Brandon Handley 43:40
Perfect, awesome. You put in there for a second. Oh, so usually, you know, is there anything else that you would cover or anything else that kind of you would you would want to share that we didn’t really touch on during this? Um,

Katie Beecher 43:53
I guess I just really want to say that we are all capable of being happy and of healing and of being authentic and trusting ourselves. And it seems really scary. Sometimes No, it is, you know, not gonna not gonna say it’s not but it’s really worth it. And it’s okay to ask for help. It takes strength to ask for help, you know, but, like, keep trying, you know, and even just following your dreams. I’m not a writer under the hell I was doing. I have this book that got published it, you know, it took a while it was a lot of kind of ups and downs and just kind of keep at it and, and don’t be afraid to make mistakes.

Brandon Handley 44:49
I’m trying to see where my mic is.

Unknown Speaker 44:52
My honor my off.

Brandon Handley 44:56
What’s the first step for somebody like that? Right. So I agree. 100 percent. What is starting that journey?

Katie Beecher 45:03
It’s admitting it admitting that I am not perfect. I need help. I don’t have to be better than other people. I’m the same. Everybody has flaws. But I need to admit that I have pain. And I don’t want to live this way anymore.

Brandon Handley 45:25
I have suffering, right we have. So every everybody has suffering. That’s, that’s the root of it. Right? And how do I how do I let go that transcend it? as it were? Well, awesome. I think that’s great. The place we are now is in the spiritual speed dating space right now. Right. So basically, basically, somebody is tuning in here today. They’re like, I’m looking for my next you know, spiritual hottie. You could be it for somebody out there, Katie. And so let’s find a question that I think works here. We’ll start with bachelor number one, what is the greatest quality humans?

Unknown Speaker 46:09
Humans possess?

Brandon Handley 46:13
mean, let’s expand on it. Like, what’s that? What’s that mean?

Katie Beecher 46:16
Right, caring about others. And being there for other people. I think there’s a lot of really nice, good people out there. There’s a lot of shitty people, but there’s a lot of people who actually do really care about others. And that’s the most important gift we can give each other is to, to be there.

Brandon Handley 46:39
For me step by step into that love and actually I hate the term leverage, but like, use it, right? Don’t just be like, leverage the love and like, you know, in I think what you were saying earlier in that way that you’ve already applied to yourself, or have the potential to apply to yourself. I think the first place right that somebody should apply that is to themselves unconditionally. Learn how to love yourself before you love anybody else. I think as a as a takeaway on that one. Just admit it, acceptance is freeing. And it’s, it’s, it’s liberating, right? Really, you know what, yeah, that was my shit. It is now what? Right? What are we also afraid of?

Katie Beecher 47:25
I was good. I looked at those questions. I was gonna say ourselves, but what I really think it is, is abandonment and not being loved by others.

Brandon Handley 47:37
Around Yeah, I mean, I think I think that that’s, that’s a big part of it, for sure. Um, but I think I would, I would, I would almost say to, right, I mean, it links to that love thing, right? You haven’t learned how to love yourself yet in a situation like that. So both answers are acceptable, like, loving yourself, like, you know, afraid to like kind of love yourself or yourself being afraid of yourself. Right. That’s that whole Marianne Williamson. You know, the our greatest fear, isn’t that right? I mean, hockey, like every time you see it, it’s like, that’s the one all right, man. Jeez, I don’t know why you’re anything yet. But sure. Right. Well, listen, Katie’s it’s been so great to finally have this interview with you. Have you on I know we You and I were talking before we we got going here. We connected sometime in like February this year. It’s August. Holy smokes. 2021 looks like a record speed break neck year. So thank you so much for being on where can I send the audience to find

Katie Beecher 48:46
some fun? Um, so my website is Katie. k Tia, feature b e ch er calm. So Katie meter calm. And I think I owe you a picture.

Brandon Handley 49:01
If you don’t give me one, I’ll find one. Katie. So that’s you know, that’s in your hands. Right? That’s, that’s within your control. The can they find out more about your sessions and your book by going to your site? So you’re okay, so everything, everything they need is right there,

Katie Beecher 49:18
too. It’s Katie Beecher, medical intuitive. But yeah, my website talks about the different options for readings. And their sample reports on there. There’s paintings, you know, my back stuff, you can make the appointment right on the website. There’s a link to I think it’s Barnes and Noble or something about my book with the thing. And then there’s a link on there also for the Omega workshop right on my front page.

Brandon Handley 49:46
Awesome. Well, congratulations on your book, and you know, the work that you’re doing, I think it’s so cool. And the story that you’re sharing and you’re bringing your authentic self to the world the way that you are, I think it’s great.

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Dr. Barbara Dalle Pezze is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Dr. Barbara is a leadership coach, international speaker, author, and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience. She inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose, and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book “The Unexpected Gift,” which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman’s journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career she is also the author of a new book “The UnexpectedGift,” which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman’s journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career while navigating different culture… connect with Dr. Barbara at https://www.barbaradallepezze.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:41
am on here today with Dr. Barbara dalla pet say she is a leadership coach, international speaker, author and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience he inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book the unexpected get which reveals the inspiring true life story of one woman’s journey to self discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage and her experience of creating a new her life and career. Barbara, I think we are introduced from Tom Palladino, is that correct? Is that Tom Paladin that introduced us? That name doesn’t sound familiar. It doesn’t sound familiar. Nope. Well, are we connected? So I mean, doesn’t really matter, I guess at this point. Now, because we’re here, we’re together, and we’re having this conversation. So I always like to start this off with the idea right? That we are kind of conduits for source energy, right? universal source energy, God, whatever you want to call it, and that you and I are having this conversation? You and I will understand what we’re talking about maybe, right, you’re having a conversation, I’ve had one conversation, and you know, the person listening is going to pick up on something entirely different, there’s gonna be a communication that they’re gonna get, that can only be delivered through you. To them right now. What’s that message?

Dr Barbara 2:19
Hmm? Well, first of all, it is a feeling of gratitude for being here and having these opportunity to have this conversation with you. And whatever we are going to talk about, I’m sure the listener will find something that resonates with them. So that’s gratitude first. And then there is also in this moment that Zehra to contribute, to contribute. And I think that this is the best, at least for me, and in my experience, a great disposition to have when we when we start a conversation. So gratitude and a desire to contribute.

Brandon Handley 3:01
I love that the desire to contribute, a lot of people will stand back. Because they don’t feel like they have something that they can contribute. They don’t see what they have to offer as valuable enough, given the situation that they’re looking at, they may not think that they can have an impact. What do you say to that person?

Dr Barbara 3:23
Oh, no, I would say that we are so special. Each one of us we are so unique, so unique, that we always have something to contribute to actually I would also share that I was reading once I love to read about mistakes. And I was reading about the rays of Avila and also Katrina of CNN, they are two very important mistakes in the Middle Ages. And they were saying that we are so powerful. And we have so much to give that even when we intersect, just passers by a smile that we can give to them or even the way we look at them can change their lives. That’s how much we can contribute. So just passing by somebody, we impact their lives. And then if we take a chance, and want to share something that it is important to us, that becomes already such a powerful contribution because as you said at the beginning, you don’t know how the person who is listening to you is going to interpret and relate what you say to their life. So I think that we are a bundle of gift potential. And so and so it is always good to be able to offer a little bit of this bundle of gifts, potential to people that we intersect or they’re in our life for a moment for few days for years for a lifetime.

Brandon Handley 4:49
For sure for sure. So and I enjoy that. Take two pieces on that. First of all those mistakes are those both female mistakes. Yes. Yes. Like you know We don’t hear a whole lot about female mistakes. I know you spent some time in Asia, Asia pack, as we call it, right Asia, Pacific. And even in Buddhism, which we, Westerners like to think is like this big open, vast thing, like females really weren’t allowed to participate like at some of the higher levels. And therefore, like, you know, the reason we don’t hear about maybe some amazing Zen females is simply because they were kept out. Right. And same. And I think that the story is similar in mysticism. It regardless of kind of which which space you spend time in, is that what you found to be true for yourself? What were some of your findings, I guess, in in that space?

Dr Barbara 5:47
Actually, no, I never, I never thought about it in from that perspective, because as a matter of fact, several of the mystics that I read, I love to read biographies, they are female, and they are from the middle age. So probably they had a different rhythm. And life was slower, and they had time. And actually, there was also their calling to write, and to write books. And so we have quite a number of books that I know of female mystics, actually, their purpose was to contribute and give a little bit of their experience to other people that were living in the world, so to speak. And so they did have a chance to write their message and their experience and to share it with the world. And, and actually, I really enjoyed reading many of those female altars. Actually, maybe today would be different. Maybe what you’re saying for this century would be probably more more appropriate in the sense that yes, we might think in this way, but in relation to women that lived in the middle age, and they were monks, and nuns, they, they, they had the time to dedicate their life to writing and to write to people for people. I’m thinking while I’m talking to you, yeah. I never looked at it from that angle. But the middle lane, for sure, right. I

Brandon Handley 7:31
mean, and I just like I said, I know that you’ve also spent some time in Asia Pacific, and my guess would be you’ve been immersed in some of the Buddhist culture, right? Why? Why? Why you sat in there.

Dr Barbara 7:43
Um, I was in Asia Pacific, and in, in I was in Hong Kong, many years and in China, and then south of China, Mainland China, and Singapore, and there are very different philosophies of life and religion for there. So it was not that there was that feeling and that sense that we are all Buddhists and so that mystics atmosphere, actually, Hong Kong is a very, is the New York of Asia has been for so long, right? So you could experience certainly the different religions and philosophy of life. So read there, so. But I imagine that what you are thinking office more and mystical and meditative life, that in places like Beijing, or Hong Kong or Singapore, they are somehow a little bit on the backs backhand, of good experience. Not bad. Having said that, having said that, what is interesting is that in those places, there is kind of a thirst for spirituality. And so there are like, you can you can find those spaces within this big mega law place where you can experience a little bit of what you’re saying, but you do need to go in and look for it, because what pops up first, is the New York experience, I would say.

Brandon Handley 9:15
Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. You got it, you got to kind of you got to look, you got to be on the lookout for it. Right. That’s got to be something that you’re actually looking for. And then this idea of contribution, you get that sense of I get that I feel that you get that sense of contribution due to some of your upbringing. You want to share a little bit about that?

Dr Barbara 9:36
Well, I am originally from Italy. And so Italy is a Christian and Catholic countries for the majority at least, the rooted the culture is entrenched of Christianity and Catholicism, and it is an important value that contribute to the life of others. It is definitely a value there. My family as always taught me that and definitely For sure, I was brought up within that culture. Having said that the profession I am in, so the coaching profession and teaching and training, it is a profession that it is based on the desire to contribute and contribute profoundly to the lives of people that you’ve come into contact with. So, I would say that it is a big motivator in, in what I do, and in my life, the possibility of contribute, contribute to the growth of people to having people learning more about themselves, and how they can better leverage their resources inside of themselves in order to build and create a better life for themselves and the people around them, and if possible to the world at large. So, I think that contribution is one of the foundations of happiness, I would dare to say as well.

Brandon Handley 11:01
100% I absolutely agree. I personally feel like I contribute enough. Right. And when I do contribute, I get that sense of, of, of being a part of the greater sense of all the things, and that, um, I just feel better. I mean, you can’t really, there’s not a whole lot of great explanation for that. So what I was trying to hit on, I guess, sir, sorry, for not being clear was, I guess your family was active in the anti kidnapping piece. Right. So so so my guess would be again, you just kind of, and, you know, from checking out a couple of other podcasts, that that might have an impact on your desire to as well.

Dr Barbara 11:45
Yes, yeah. So yes, when I was, in my early 20s, a family friend was kidnapped by the mafia. And so my father in the community of our town decided to put together a movement that was the first and big anti kidnapping movement in in Italy. And they managed to, with a force with the help of the police and, and the government and everybody, they managed to get several people freed from this kidnapping. And I was late in AI in my early 20s, when this happened, and I had the the privilege, I would say, to really be surrounded by these and breathe into these and see the cooperation of the community and see the impact. And that something, a seed of goodness that you want to do together with anger for something that was wrong and was done, actually was able to create this movement all over Italy. And that, that generated in me the desire of contributing, I at the time, I didn’t even know yet what I was and how I would have contributed. But I knew and I felt that was too important. And so in every, every action I took since that moment onwards, I was looking for that feeling for the sensation for that. I was following that desire, I wanted to contribute, as I have experienced my father, and two people off my town did in a very crucial moment in life of our friends, because they were family friends. And and that stayed with me, and it is still there with me. Because it is effective, it is powerful. And when people are you really United for for something good, and to achieve something good. What can be achieved is immense. And so that definitely was an experience that shaped who I am and how I live my life in the world, actually. Yeah, that was very powerful, actually.

Brandon Handley 13:57
Yeah, 100%. Right. I mean, that that carry that’s, that’s the seed right from from a new to continue to to look for contribution. And that to me, again, that’s would be why that is so important to you, right, having seen that having the effects of it and having been a part of it. Yeah, we know what that feels like. Right. And you know what it looks like to gather these people together to do some good.

Dr Barbara 14:24
Yeah. And also, I would also add that I could witness how easy it becomes when people get together to achieve the same goal. Things simply flow. Of course, you do need to do your part, you need to put in action, lava things, but once all those things are in place, then then the situation moves and moves forward and forces and resources are found and everything seems to flow so smoothly, to achieve that goal. I know Of course, behind that smoothness, there is the willingness and the passion and heart of many people. So there was there was a great lesson. And I was, I’m very grateful that I had that experience. Of course, while I was experiencing that, there were people that were suffering more, because of course, those whose sons or daughters or relatives were kidnapped, of course, that was very painful for them. And in any painful experience, there is, again, somebody that is learning something, and even the, the life of this little girl that was kidnapped has contributed so much to who I am today and my life today, back to what we were saying at the beginning, for those who think that they might not have anything to give or to share, right. So even if you don’t know, you are contributing so much to the life of others. So that’s probably something that we want to remember. And keep in mind very often,

Brandon Handley 16:05
the just the very little things that we can do, and just even a small amount of contact time can have a lasting impression and a long term effect on somebody. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. Let’s talk about what you’ve got your doctorate and right, so doctor of ontology if if I if I’ve done my research, okay? And why don’t you go ahead and share with the audience what that study of if they’re not familiar,

Dr Barbara 16:34
yes. So, when we say ontology, we are thinking philosophy, it is within the realm of philosophy, and it is the part of philosophy that studies being so the structure of being and therefore, in my particular case, the take I, I had on that was the how how, what are the structures of the human being according to the philosophical perspective? How do we work? How are we in the world? How do we connect? How do we relate with what is in the world. And that is a very interesting, interesting insight, because philosophy goes deep. And so it my experience, while doing this PhD, was really allowing myself and my brain and my reasoning tool paths that add that I never, never explored, until I could literally feel my brain opening up new neural pathways, because I was the thinking in ways, of course, led by these philosophers, thinking in ways that normally we are not stimulated in thinking. So thinking about how, who are we in the world, what we represent, what we do, when we actually leave, how do we interact, what we are actually interacting with, who is the other person in front of you, and all these elements that I found very, very fascinating. And I, I found them essential, because before studying philosophy, I studied, I said, I started another field of study, I studied architecture for a couple of years. But, and I liked it kind of, but the reason I changed eventually for philosophy is because I realized that I needed to learn more about not how to build buildings and homes where people live in, and how they are structured and how they are, what are the material that constitute those things? How do you put them together and create? Well, I was studying that I was, I was actually thinking, Wait a minute, do I know about the human beings that are going to inhabit this building? Do I know what they are made of? How do they work, what they are about? And I realized that I was more interested in learning about human beings, and then how to build them at home. And so I changed and then my path took me to old way to do this. In Depth research in my PhD on ontology,

Brandon Handley 19:19
I think it’s pretty entertaining, how you went from, you know, this external structure, right? How are the How are these external structures made? And how are they impact coming from the outside in, and you’re like, Wait a second, I want to go to the internal structure, but I want to go see how this structure is laid out internally, and work my way from the inside out. Right? And that’s, you know, just my my brief perception of kind of your lifelong journey, I’ll synopsis into all that. Right, but the idea to so who were you know, these these philosophers I have two questions. Is it? Is this ontology more of a Western study? Is it Eastern and Western, and then he’ll maybe who were a couple of the truly essential ones, or who were the ones that had the greatest impact on you.

Dr Barbara 20:17
So, the two there is one philosopher that particularly impacted my life, which is Martin Heidegger and which is the philosophy German philosopher, 20th century German philosopher, and my PhD is on his philosophy. And Meister Eckert, which is a German mystics, and I put the two of them in dialogue on the concept of abandonment, in German Gal hessonite. And, and their perspective and the way I elaborated their concept of abandonment, which is actually a concept of let go and be open to life, ended up meeting with Chinese philosophy at the end, that would have been the continuation of my research, right. But it was very interesting to see how the West meets East actually in in the way of thinking through philosophy, mysticism, and we ended up encountering also a China. So that was quite, quite interesting. So Martin Heidegger would say, and must Meister echoed.

Brandon Handley 21:32
And I think that it’s also interesting that, you know, you’ve got this, you know, the let go and meeting with life, right? Because your book has to do with, I would say something similar, you know, you went through, you felt like you were in a decent part in your life, a good part, coming up to a flourishing part. And then next thing, you know, your husband’s like, hey, let’s get a divorce. And meanwhile, you’re like, you’re my first guest is like, initially you’re holding on for dear life, you’re like, no, this isn’t how this is gonna work, at least mentally internally, like, No, no, no, no, no, everything’s great. But like, now, you’re at a point where you let go, you use that material to grow yourself, and you shared some of that material in this book. Let’s talk a little bit about the book and, and some of the materials that you shared, what you found in there.

Dr Barbara 22:26
Yeah, well, first of all, the paradox was that when I finished my PhD and my a marriage and imploded, Akshay just finished a doctorate on letting go. And here it is, I am immediately asked to experience that let go deeply and profoundly and I would say completely, so, that was quite radical and brutal as an experience also, because as you said, it was out of the blue and it was definitely not what I wanted. And it was the book, which is the unexpected gift, everything was unexpected, to the end, which is the unexpected gifts. So the path the process and, and the ending, if you can see that there is an ending, it is the story of my years 15 years experience in Asia, actually, Asia, Australia and Singapore. And and it starts with it is triggered by my marriage and the breakup of the marriage. But in fact, it becomes a story of how do you discover yourself So, I thought I knew myself I thought I had my what my life figured it out, I had my values, I had my purpose. And suddenly this out of the blue element completely destroyed everything and so, I had to find again who I am, what am I standing for? What do I want? What does my life look like now because what happened basically destroyed all the narratives and the paradigms I was used to consider valid and that what was that they were actually at the foundations of who I was and of my life. So, it was, it was like really suddenly find yourself in the desert inside and out. And having to to figure out what what do I do now? What do I plant? How do I water the soil? How do I move forward, there is desert in front of me. Everything is gone behind me. So what do you do? Where do you start? and ended the book is the stories of my journey and so all the inner steps and outer step. I talk to rebuild, recreate and reef reconnect with myself and the new life that was waiting me in in the future and that clearly wanted to me But it needed some digging, and some experience, it was quite intense. And while I was going through this, I was looking for books that would tell me that it would have been arrived that it is possible that there is a life after these. And I could not find any. And so I decided, you know what, let me write down few of these things that I’m experiencing. And until I reached a point where I decided, Okay, let’s do a book, let’s write a book, because I want to speak from the future. And now I consider that my book speaks from the future because I went through that, and I’m here with Andy’s is the future. So for people that are in this traumatic situation, vinit, the divorce Bennett challenges that have nothing to do with divorce, but they challenge who you are, and your worth, and what you stand for, they can see that there is a way and mind when I write in the book is, it’s been what I have found that worked. And so I wanted to share, and I wanted to give my contribution on these as well.

Brandon Handley 26:09
all comes back to contribution, doesn’t it? So what I think is great is is what you’re saying, we identify ourselves so much with the relationship that we have, especially with this significant other because we’re building a life together, right? You’re building this life together, we’ve got this kind of we’ve got this, we’ve got this picture, scoped out, or futures scoped out, in one way or another. And then when this disruption comes, that whole thing just dissolves, falls away, falls apart. And now really, you start the questioning your own identity, like, Wait a second, how did I miss this whole thing up? Right? And then we start blaming ourselves, right? Again, like, I don’t know, if he’s, like, I know, I’d be like, I’m like, how did I mess this whole thing up? Where did I? Where did I? Where should I have made a left? Right? And or is this just our past, right? Is this just our path? And now you’ve got to Colton, you know, you’re talking about this, you’re, you’re in the desert, and it sounds like you’ve got to cultivate a new sense of self.

Dr Barbara 27:16
You have to cultivate a new sense of self and new sense of what’s possible. And, and a new sense of responsibility, because I, I, my former my ex husband kept saying, Oh, you did nothing wrong, it is me. But I wanted to have done something wrong. Because if I had done something wrong, then I could do better next time. Right? Right,

Brandon Handley 27:39
I’m gonna need I’m gonna need a 360 feedback on this thing. Everybody in who else was there?

Dr Barbara 27:48
Exactly. I get you. Exactly. Yeah. And then you figure out what you want to, you do need to think really outside the box, do you did not even realize you were in and, and you define your way of imagining your future? Beyond the narratives you have always

Brandon Handley 28:08
thought of? I want to stop there for a second, right? Because I mean, you know, you bring up like this box that you didn’t even know you were in just talking about our own limited senses of self, right, our own limited senses, it stops here stops with this story that we’ve been telling ourselves. Right? Yeah, the end the relationship. And, and just to just to kind of continue in this whole idea, right, like, so. ontology contribution, you know, taking this relationship that you’ve gone through, and you’re, you know, you’re deeply, you know, mysticism, studying I akhar. And and on these mystics, and this philosophy, and you’re a coach for the business world, right. And I think that sentence pairs really well with the idea of what spiritual dope is about it’s about how do we how do we merge those two? Right? How do we take all this? You know, the spiritual sense of well being these these maybe ideal philosophies? And, and how do we apply it to the real world? And I want us back to the beginning here, because it was that sense of contribution. And you were talking about what it’s like to get everybody together, right? When you’re for for the kidnapping group, right? And how that all work. To me what you were saying there, pairs so easily and readily to the business world, right to to corporate culture, because if you can get everybody to buy into the vision, we can get everybody to say, Hey, I’m contributing, I’m doing my part. I do have something to contribute, and I can see what the vision is. I mean, a pair so is that Yeah, same.

Dr Barbara 29:47
For the work I do the leadership work I do and I do on a global scale and the level of depth at which I’m in, I need my clients is such that I made them in their humanity. And so that’s in the fact that they before being managers, directors, CEOs, talent said before that everybody is a human being. And once you have an end and discovered and unleash, what is this humaneness, then then there is no job to be done anymore in dissent. And then people are free to really express fully their talents. And we all have so many talents. But we need to be able to free them to see them first and then real, release them. And so what I do, and how do we bring together mysticism ontology philosophy into the business world. And to tell you the truth, while I was going through this situation, I also was leading a research cluster on philosophy, therapy and medicine, and I was researching on pain and suffering. And right then and there working with the oncology department of the hospital, I was finding elements that I was in Hong Kong that I thought they were so important to be brought into the business world. And so I bridged that those worlds as well. So the medicine and pain and suffering into Corporation and into finance. And again, because people in the work, they suffer, they have conflict, they are experiencing deep, profound suffering, sometimes, and sometimes very often. Right. And so approaching my clients, making sure that inner conflicts and the suffering that is not expressed is actually resolved and transformed as what freedom to be the extraordinary leaders or managers are team members that they they need to be in corporations in order for corporations to thrive. And so the way I work, I work at the core of humaneness, and that doesn’t matter, right? If you are in a corporation, if you are a lawyer, if you are a mom, if you are podcaster, doesn’t really matter, you You are a human being. And that’s where we want to work because the resources to stronger resources aren’t there, the technicalities of how to be a in finance, how to be a salesperson, how to be a stock broker, that you learn, those are techniques, and you choose to learn them, right. But first, I work on day, humanity. And I invest in human capital, that that’s what I do. And so, philosophy pertains to human capital, Mr. System pertains to human capital, all these arts pertains to Human Capital One. So that’s the level at which I work. And also, that’s also why my experience which starts from a divorce, it is a leadership experience, right? Your life experiencing is your leadership experience. And the in the book, there are foundations of these leadership just because you learn how to lead and lead yourself first, at the best boss in the best possible way,

Brandon Handley 33:18
for sure, for sure, give me a I’m really curious to hear the suffering that is not expressed. How, what is something that you do? some exercises, what is do you find you find you find the financial guy, he’s suffering? He’s not expressing it? How do we how do we help them to express it? What So what are some tools What are some ways that we can help in that space,

Dr Barbara 33:45
I can get share an example. When you find and maybe you don’t need to be a coach to notice this, but when maybe you have a friend or if you think about somebody that keeps complain about something, and he’s very animated and complaining about something and and he’s angry about it, that hides behind it to me as a coach, when I hear you complaining so much, there is some some pain and suffering behind that. So, first of all, I need you to become aware that this is something that you are not expressing in the best possible way for you because when I complain about something, I am giving away my power. So what I do I help you to see first of all that you are giving away your power I we look into what is it that you are complaining about that? And what is it to you? What is it that you really mean to say and this is from a cognitive perspective first, but then it is also expressing emotionally because cognitively you can say millions of things and yet you keep complaining and keep being angry. And so you’re not really expression, pain and suffering and it is an emotional experience, right? So you need to let your emotions free That’s why we use body work. When I do work on these you use your body to express to your body, I use the voice. So singing, and being able to find really the sound of your voice deep sound, deeper sound, and be able to express it in a in a loud voice for a strong tone. Because that’s scary, and that is liberating at the same time, but we are not used to express who we are even in suffering so deep inside, so I kind of help my client in this example, first realize that there is some suffering that he is he or she is expressing through complaining in this example, right? And then we go and look behind that. So what is it that actually hurt you and that you are complaining about and often it is not really what they are complaining about? It’s something deeper, and that’s where the work then started, okay, let’s express it with movement, let’s express it with the voice. And then once that is released, and therefore, the person does not have a block anymore, then we can start working. And that’s when the liberation and the expression transforms into something that it is okay, now, what do I actually want to build? What do I want myself to be what I want my profession, what I want me my life to be? Or how do I want to show up at work instead? So it is a matter of unpacking first? So

Brandon Handley 36:32
does it make sense? It does make sense, right? I’ve got two, two kind of reflections on that. And I’m always reminded, I think it was like, I’m sure somebody said it beforehand. But there’s a jack Canfield line that talks about when when you complain, if you’re not complaining to the person that can do something about it, it’s kind of worthless, right? Like, complain to the person that can help you, you know, do something about it, otherwise, you’re just doing kind of what you said, You’re, you’re you’re feeling this frustration, this anger this, whatever. And, and it’s this feeling that you carry around with you. And there’s really no doesn’t no value in that, right. And then the second part, to me is the way that you’re talking, it’s almost like it’s almost like a knotted muscle, right? When you complain, it’s like a kind of like a nod and muscle that until you’re you know, you can release that you’ve got a whole bunch of energy caught up in that until you release it, then then you can’t really do anything, right. It’s kind of useless.

Dr Barbara 37:30
Yeah, yeah. And And oftentimes, it has happened to me that, again, moving from the inside to the from the outside to the inside, what needs to be released is has nothing to do with what the person is complaining about. Right? It is more a desire to be maybe just a just aligned, I need to be aligned with my value and what I am doing the work I am doing, the way I’m relating to these clients or to the board is not aligned with who I actually feel I am. And so the work is okay. So how do you evolve so that you can be in the same board meeting, and not feeling this conflict, but being aligned within yourself, your purpose, your mission and expressing it to the board, so that you actually help the organization to move forward and you are not always have involved in this inner fight and in this inner conflict. So that that is what often has happened to me in my in my coaching?

Brandon Handley 38:37
Yeah, for sure. Whatever, whatever that person is focused on is really keeping them from being their best, right? I mean, that’s just kind of what it boils down to, even if it’s not directly related to, again, you’re you removed this blockage over here, and you can redirect all that energy into the thing that you’re really trying to do. Yeah. Always look at the even the word coach, right? And I always think of coaxing right, as a coach all, you know, all what you’re trying to do is really coax the best of that person out of them so they can see it for themselves and they can carry it on forward. Would you say that?

Dr Barbara 39:11
I would say that I like to think of myself as a sponsor. When I say quote, I am a sponsor, what does it mean, for me is that I can, I can notice your potential that is an expressed, I can notice your talents, I can notice where you need to be set free. And I help you to I believe in you, I trust you and I help you to actually be free to express fully yourself and to improve who you are and to actually be who you are. That is my job. It is like a gate opener. So but again, opener that trust and belief strongly knew and what you can achieve. So it is really from where I stand is a position where you Hold a space for the other person to express fully. And not only that, but you can see further than the person itself himself or herself, you can help them see what they what they are not seeing. And you can at least you can point them towards something that they are not noticing about themselves that can that is a talent that is a resource. And so that they can actually become aware and leverage that and integrate that in, in who they are and the way they conduct themselves. So coaching, as sponsoring really knew your talents, your resources, your potentials, and what you can be and achieve.

Brandon Handley 40:43
Do you make them t shirts, like little sponsor t shirts? I feel like you should I feel like you should sponsor by sponsor. Yeah, that could be a good idea. It’d be fun one right for for at least client gifts frayed. whatever it is they’re into. I like the idea of being a sponsor. And I think that definitely resonates. And I like the approach there. So we’re at this kind of point, right? That, unless there’s anything else that you feel like you want to cover, I’m going to go ahead and ask a couple questions for you. Please go ahead. Right, right. So I got, like I said, spiritual speed dating right at the back end of this, you know, so most of the people that are tuning in there, they’re seekers, they’re, they’re looking for that just exactly that, how can they express what’s inside of them outside authentically in alignment, just want a lot of ways that you’ve been speaking about. So some ways that they may be able to figure it out is by these questions? is Barbara right for you? So let’s see his current religion serving its purpose, Barbara.

Dr Barbara 41:47
When we say religion, what are we thinking about? monetary stick religion? So the big one, the top three, the top three, okay, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? are they serving their purpose? I think that there are many people that find in religion, a great tool for them to live a better life feel better, and be a better human being. So I think for many people they do. I believe that religions could do a little bit better, as we all good in terms of speed up a little bit, their evolution, in order to embrace some challenges that today are here and maybe when the religions were born, they were not there. But I would say that overall, they keep been very useful, especially for people that have based their lives on religions.

Brandon Handley 42:51
Like that was one or you feel like they could evolve faster as

Dr Barbara 42:55
well, for example, and I’m thinking about Chris Catholicism in particular, because that’s where I come from, I believe that there is a role that women are is are not given and are not taken, that I think the church need to open up to

Brandon Handley 43:15
understand a female Pope.

Dr Barbara 43:18
I don’t know if I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know if I would go to the pope immediately, because it probably will take a little bit and but before getting to the Pope, but yeah, I I think that there are roles within the Catholic Church that that needs women more than men. Maybe before for 24 2000 years, there have been always men in those positions. So I think that women, the church would benefit from a president of more women.

Brandon Handley 43:55
Yeah, I think that’s fair. I think that’s fair. As you know, so this is your study space, right? This is this to me, it’s me. This is in in your wheelhouse. What is the greatest quality humans possess?

Dr Barbara 44:10
The greatest quality humans possess? Wow, we have many. I would say that maybe the curiosity. Curiosity is is a I don’t know if it is the greatest but it is a great quality that now we need, especially because we are faced with so much diversity. And so unless we are curious to understand and learn about diversity, we are not moving forward as a community, a global community. So maybe a quality that I think is important that it is great right now is curiosity.

Brandon Handley 44:51
So sounds like Yes, that sounds like that’s something that can be cultivated a little bit more and be something that Most humans could apply more often, and we could improve. Absolutely. That’s awesome. So listen, Dr. Barbara, I’ve enjoyed this. Thanks for coming on today. Where should people, first of all, like, who would you say is your ideal client? Like, let’s say somebody listening in today, you know, who do you think should be reaching out to you?

Dr Barbara 45:21
I think it are people that went through important challenges in their life, burn it in their personal life in it in their professional life, and they feel that they have reached their a glass ceiling. And they cannot see what’s possible next, and how to reach the next level and how to break through and tap into more resources that they have. So when they are in that point, then they call me because I partner with them. And I really accompany them to reach their full potential and create their purpose, find their purpose, maybe they have, they are already successful, they have achieved a lot. And they ask them so Okay, so now what have money, I have a status, I have a family. And maybe I’m 45. So what’s what’s, what’s next? What is next? So that’s when I when I come in?

Brandon Handley 46:18
That’s when they get sponsored by Barbara. So yeah, they get a T shirt, they get a T shirt. And then I like that too, that you’re saying more resources. And but when you’re saying more resources, it sounds to me like you’re saying these innate resources that you help them to discover yes and apply for themselves. That’s fantastic.

Dr Barbara 46:38
Which by the way, they are inner resources, then then they they turn out to become outer resources, because when they inner resources are ignited, then we find ways to get outside resources Russian,

Brandon Handley 46:51
right, like full on expression, you know? Where should we send people to come find out more about you and work and get they get your book.

Dr Barbara 47:02
My book, they can get it on amazon.com both in Kindle and paperback version. And I think the easiest way to find me is on LinkedIn. I am quite active on LinkedIn recently. And also on my website, which is just my name, www dot Barbara, Gala. pets.com. Nobody will remember bad or remember.

Brandon Handley 47:25
I will have we’ll have we’ll have a link there at least and so they won’t have to remember it. That’s what the internet’s for. Short term memory. Barbara, thank you so much for showing up today. I appreciate the conversation. love what you’re doing. I love your story, kind of how you got there, the journey and how you are expressing yourself. So thank you.

Dr Barbara 47:45
Thank you so much for having me here. Brandon. It was really, really a great honor to have this conversation with you. So thank you so much.

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Christian de la Huerta

Award-winning author Christian de la Huerta is an acclaimed speaker at various settings, including universities, conferences, corporate training, spiritual communities and the TedX stage. Audiences find Christian’s message particularly relevant in these times. Christian also practices as a spiritual coach and a leadership development consultant whose work ranges from individuals and couples in private practice to major corporations and non-profit groups.

Check out his latest book here: Awakening the Soul of Power

And connect with him on his website here: https://www.soulfulpower.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:41
Either spiritual dope I’m on today with Christian de la Huerta we are on here today and Christian is a sought after spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach and leading voice in the breathwork community. He’s traveled the world offering inspiring and transformational retreats combining psychological and spiritual teachings with life lasting and life changing effects. In award winning critically acclaimed author he has spoken at numerous universities and conferences on the TEDx stage. his new book awakening in the solar power was described by multi Grammy Award winner glorious Stefan as a balm for the soul of it for anyone searching for the truth and answers to life difficult questions. First of all, thanks for being on today.

Christian de la Huerta 1:24
Hey, Brandon, thanks so much for having me. I’m really looking forward to this conversation.

Brandon Handley 1:30
Fantastic. So I’d like to start this off with the whole idea that and I think you mentioned it in one of your lines, like we are conduits for the universe, universe’s energy to come through. And the idea is that you and I are going to have this conversation that you and I have, but there’s going to be somebody listening, that’s only going to pick up on like this message being delivered through the universe through you to them today. What is that was that message?

Christian de la Huerta 1:58
Well, before I get into that, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your sense of spiritual irreverence, I very much appreciate it, and it cracked me up some of your comments on your website, you know, I think if we were gonna wrap up the message into to the into one, short description is like, there is a way that we can step into our power into our personal power in a way that is a match for who we are. Because most of us, I think are conflicted about that we have an ambivalent relationship to power, we want it, but we’re afraid of it. And I think at the core, we’re afraid that if we really stepped into all of our power, all of our potential that other people would be threatened by us or be afraid of us. Or, you know, we would end up alone. And we’ve also been conditioned to believe that power is a bad thing, you know, like with quotes, like power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so what good hearted person wants to be corrupted or wants to abuse power, which is what we see out in the world all the time. So add to that mix. And by the way, what they forgot to tell us about that power, corrupts quote is that Lord Acton was speaking specifically about political power, not the personal power that we’re talking about. But when you combine all of that with the fact that we have been conditioned to be afraid of the emotion, somebody along the way, had this bright, brilliant idea that the emotions were weakness, and especially for us as men, we were conditioned, you know, a little boys don’t cry, and you know, like, Man up and, and all these other kind of twisted definitions of what it means to be a man and what it means what it means to be a woman. So when you put all that into a mix, we hate confrontation, we hate conflict. And what happens is we end up giving our power away our innate power that nobody can give to us, nobody can take away, we are the only ones who can give it away. And what’s sad, what is sadness to me is that we give it away for really lame reasons, like we give it away and we settle for less, we place more, we hide our light under a bushel, we say yes, when inside we feel no. And for this, for reasons like an illusion of security, or false sense of acceptance, or morsels of pseudo love. And and so that’s the message you know that there is there is a way that we can step into power that that is a match for who we are and that it doesn’t require for us to push anybody down, to step on them, to abuse them, to take advantage of them to manipulate them to use force or fear that there is a way that we can express our power. That isn’t a natural expression of who we are.

Brandon Handley 4:49
So I think that it’s funny actually copied that Marianne Williamson line out again last night while I was reading your book, you know, the it’s not that we’re afraid of You know how small views we’re afraid of how great our power actually is. And I think that that’s kind of you’re talking to one here, and then that we give it away so easily have like these kind of wrong reasons. What, you know, what was it for you along your journey that awakens your personal solar power that, you know, we’re talking about, you know, your book as well? What was it that that, that awoken that woke up your soul, you know, and gave you kind of pretty notice to it?

Christian de la Huerta 5:34
Well, I think my, my initial wake up point was breathwork, some 30 years ago. And I’d had some experiences with, you know, with mind expanding substances that also kind of, you know, had a phase of experimentation when I was writing written when I was in college. And that began a process of questioning reality, the worldview, I was raised in a very Catholic environment. So that began that combined with a class and existentialism began a process of questioning. I think it was, when I, when I did first did breathwork. It just changed everything. I was on a track to get a PhD in psychology. My dad was a psychiatrist. So I come out of that tradition. When I did breathwork, for the first time I jumped tracks, I never went for the PhD. And I’ve been, I knew after one session that I that I’d never be the same, and I wasn’t my, my life took a different direction I, within six months, I quit my last corporate job.

Brandon Handley 6:44
That’s awesome. I think that breathwork for me, has been very revelatory as well.

Unknown Speaker 6:54
I had my

Brandon Handley 6:56
several instances of brain expansive substances. That’s, I think that’s how you title it. And but the deal is, is that and that’s a real big, the name of the podcast, spiritual hope you can get to that space in a place of this this hit of spirituality by doing like something like breathwork. Right. So what did you do then? I mean, so you’re like, I’m out on the corporate gig. And what did you have done after that? I’m just curious. Yeah.

Christian de la Huerta 7:26
Well, you know, if I ended up doing an ashram experience with a teacher that I met with who, you know, from whom I learned breathwork, originally, so I studied with her for five years. And for the most part, monastics setting, had a few deviations from that, but could really count them on one hand in five years, which, by the way, was a really empowering experience for me to begin to reel in my mice, my sexual energies on the way that I related to two other people with you with that sexual energy. And yeah, that was incredibly difficult time of my life, it was, it was very demanding. Not only the lifestyle, but the, you know, the opportunities for letting go of my preferences in my my desires, and, like, I wouldn’t want to do it again. But I’m really grateful that I did, because I wouldn’t be who I am. If it wasn’t for that experience.

Brandon Handley 8:33
I get it. You know, letting go and spend a lot of space but what would you say though, was like the the most difficult part, right? Because you’re kind of in there, and you’re doing it on your own? you’re wanting this right. What what made that?

Christian de la Huerta 8:49
I guess, very good, very good interview questions. Brandon. You know, if you would have asked me before, I would have thought it would have been the celibacy celibacy thing.

Brandon Handley 9:00
That wasn’t right,

Christian de la Huerta 9:02
wasn’t even close to the, to the hardest thing. In fact, that wasn’t such existential kind of level of survival. Because this teacher was brilliant, and she was a ruthless ego Slayer. So I think what was most difficult was being in in because we were at the same time going through some challenging times out of out on the physical world. And it’s a longer story that we don’t have time to get into here, but like it was to maximize it. At one point, we were homeless. We lived in the car for four for a week, and in San Francisco, and we would take showers and the YMCA in the morning for four bucks. And at the same time that she was going through some profoundly transformational experience, which didn’t make her very functional in this room. Um, so, you know, put all that, you know, the fact that she was my ego was being incredibly threatened that I was in survival level, like so much of my identity, up until this time had been connected to my worldly success. And suddenly here I am, you know, like barely living in a car for a week. And, and feeling so responsible for everything and at the same time, like surrendering and in the teacher in the guru, the guru disciple model, you’re surrendering to the sacred, but through this person of, of the guru that’s right in front of you. Who was at times irrational? And so that’s the part that I was so that I didn’t know that, to me was most difficult. That was because you’re basically surrendering your desires, your preferences, like even your perceptions?

Brandon Handley 10:55
Yeah. It’s a whole psychological play, right? I mean, here you are working with, right? And then you’re, you’re you’re working with this, this guru, and to attain, you know, a certain level, a certain experience, I don’t know. But then they’re a mess. And you’re like, what the hell am I doing? I mean, that’s got to be, that’s where my head would be. And then also, you’ve got your cycle, your psychology background, right. So you’re, you’re like, doubling down, because you know, where the razor cuts?

Christian de la Huerta 11:26
Yeah, and I mean, I’m, with all the respect of not putting her down, like, like, I really value she, I got incredible teachings from her. And the opportunity for for surrender was mine, like that was, I did that nobody could do that for me. And that’s some, that’s the most profound experience that I got from that, in addition to learning trust. at a cellular level, it was like I my relationship with with life became incredibly trusting. Because no matter how bad things got, like, we’re down to just like, the storage unit is in Hawaii and San Francisco and Los Angeles. And like, there was nothing else to pawn and money would show up unexpectedly from from just an unexpected source just at the right time. We never missed a meal. Like, yeah, it was rough. It was very rough. But we never missed a meal. So that I got to learn that at a cellular level. It’s not something that I could read in a book, to know that I’m going to be fine. But I’m going to be taking care of

Brandon Handley 12:28
the idea of Providence. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I love it. I love it. So in your, in your book, you know, covers quite quite quite a bit. And one of the things that you cover in there that I think, is really important, especially in today’s day and age, and the spiritual guy to write as a spirit as a spiritual guy, but like, what, what was a healthy masculine power look like? actually kind of identify what power is like in your what is power? And then what’s the healthy masculine power? Yeah, no,

Christian de la Huerta 13:04
that’s that’s a great question. You’re asking some really good questions, some of which nobody has asked me before. I’ve done dozens and dozens of interviews or podcasts. Nobody has asked me this stuff yet. This one? Yeah. But you’re asking really good ones. So yeah, so in order to reconcile the way that we reconcile this this ambivalent, or, or conflicted relationship we have with power, one of the ways around that is to realize that we’re talking about different kinds, right. So there’s the what there’s a worldly power, or egoic, power, ego power, which we tend to associate, you know, the way the way the world looks at power, we tend to associate with people who have money, who have fame, who are high up in some kind of hierarchy, whether it’s a corporate ladder, or some kind of religious organization, or whatever it is. But the thing about all those kinds of expressions of power is that they’re because they’re outside of us. They’re here today, they’re gone tomorrow. Whereas the other kind of power that I’m pointing to, is internal. It’s, you know, I’m calling it soulful power. It’s spiritual power. I call it what you wish, right? It doesn’t matter what we call it, but it’s the it’s the power that is inherent to each one of us. And again, like no one can give it to us, no one can can take it away. And whereas worldly power is always has an agenda, and it’s very self serving, it’s always trying to get something for itself. The other kind of power, spiritual power, what to me is authentic power. It’s humble. It’s, it’s, it doesn’t need to prove anything to anybody, and it’s about service is about making a difference. So I think about a Gandhi or Gandalf, in their monastic robes and their stupid sandals, as you would say. And then the other sandal feet, you would never know you know, like you would never know how much power they hold until it’s called for and then you know what’s out like brought the British Empire to its knees at the point when it was at its highest, highest point in terms of global reach and global influence without landing a single punch or shooting a gun, like talk about power. And so that’s, that’s what I mean by soulful powers. That’s the kind of power that that from within that it’s, like, the worldly power believes that the it comes from a place that that that it’s a zero sum game, right so that there’s a limited amount you’re having power threatens mine. Whereas, whereas What I’m saying is like, wait a minute, if I’m in my power, if I know who I am, like, why would I be threatened by you having powers like I’m not threatened by that? It’s like, I know, no matter what you or anybody else does, I know that I’ve got it, I can handle it. I can show up and respond appropriately to whatever that situation is. So why would I be threatened by anybody having power, I can celebrate somebody else’s power. And so now power with rather than power over, which has been the traditional, patriarchal, masculine, like toxic masculine way of expressing power, which our relationship to which you know, reflects in our relationship to the planet and our relationship to life, which is basically you fuck it or you kill it?

Brandon Handley 16:22
Right? I mean, that was a game they cut. Right? Right was it was a fucking kill it keep it whatever is true. You know, then that’s, that’s the I think the historic chase right? There kill it. So what is what is the healthy masculine power look like then? Yeah, and real quick question. Are we in your sub question is, are we on pace to like, get there in our lifetime?

Christian de la Huerta 16:51
Yeah, that’s a good question that that I don’t have an answer to I see a lot of changes, though. I see a lot of a lot of men who are just not No, not threatened, you know, a lot. And you know, a lot of straight guys who tell each other, you know, I love you and kiss each other on the cheek, and there’s, they’re not threatened. By that it like it doesn’t mean anything, to once masculinity. So so there’s a book, you know, it’s for everybody. But it has a particular message for women, stemming from my belief that the empowerment of women is like, the single most important thing that needs to happen in the world. It’s not to idealize women is not to put women up on a pedestal is not to give women more shit that they got to clean up and do. It’s because as a planet as a species, we’ve been running very off balance when it comes to power and gender, and sacred masculine and feminine energies. So and I believe that when women are in 50%, of power in this world, because I don’t believe that we need to go back to matriarchy, I don’t think that’s what we need, I think we need balance inside each one of us and in the world, between the masculine and the feminine. And so that when women are 50% of power in the world, we’re gonna have a very different relationship to war and poverty and hunger, and social justice and wealth distribution and how we treat the environment to all of it. So that’s what when I think strategically, like what is the one thing that’s gonna then impact a lot of others. That’s what I come down on. so and so. So that’s one message of the book. But what about men? Because the, the tragic part of it is, is that this system of toxic masculinity, that that that we have been living out of for the last several 1000 years that has this twisted definition of what it means to be a man. It’s like, it doesn’t work for anybody, like, of course, it hasn’t worked for women, and the lack of equity and justice and equality. And the oppression of women is like that is still so prevalent in this world is like, like no longer acceptable or sustainable. And men are also paying a price for that. So let’s look at a couple of numbers. Like if you look at longevity in the US, women outlive men by five years, if you look at the global numbers, they outlive men by seven years, we get suicide numbers in this country women, I mean, men commit suicide four times as frequently as women. 70% of the suicides in this country are committed by middle aged white men, which, interestingly, are the ones who still hold the majority of the power in this world. So what’s up with that, you know, what is not working? And I think that part of what is not working, is that it’s this twisted definition of what it means to be a man and so we walk around because it’s like we were saying earlier, somebody decided that the emotions were weakness and little boys don’t cry. So we walk around, so threatened about not being masculine that we turn into these unfeeling, uncaring robots and there’s a price to pay for that. Like what used to be spiritual teaching that everything is energy. Now we know from quantum physics that it’s true, energy cannot be destroyed. So what does that mean that that the body is energy even though it feels solid, the emotions are energy, that’s all they are, they’re not good, they’re not bad. They’re not strength, they’re not weakness, they’re just energies coursing through our bodies. And so whenever we suppress those emotions, they don’t go away. Right, they stay in the tissues of our bodies, and only a couple things can happen. If so, we suppress, we suppress, we suppress. And then the next unfortunate being just says something towards the wrong way, um, volcanic eruption, right, all that repressed anger, like just comes out in appropriately and we cause harm to our relationships or suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress, that energy has to come out one way or the other. So it starts seeping out and showing up in physical symptoms, heart attacks, cancer officers. So so we’ve got, we’ve got to get this right, we’ve got to figure this out, and get right with our emotions. And yes, as far as I’m concerned, to be able to know what we’re feeling, and be able to define it, and be able to communicate it responsibly owning that, it’s our emotions, not dumping them on each other, like we tend to do, like holding it’s our emotions, and learning how to communicate them courageously, because it’s always gonna take courage and compassionately without pointing the finger and without blaming, and without, you know, like, only our experience, and our heart of it is to me, and, and gracefully in a way that the other person can actually hear them. All that is like nothing less than mastery. It’s the opposite of weakness.

Brandon Handley 21:41
Right? That fairpoint? Absolutely, I’d never, I think I’ve never made it to the other end of the bridge there. It’s into making that mastery. But you know, I am very familiar with not being familiar with my own emotions, right? And going and doing the research mean, like, oh, wow, I really don’t know what these are. What are some tools that you’d like to use to help males get in touch then with, you know, their emotions? And to point to how do you express them gracefully, because my history has been, oh, I found these emotions, but like, there is no grace to how I express that.

Christian de la Huerta 22:22
Right? That’s a great question. I’ll tell you what I did. And because I was clueless myself, and here’s the thing, my dad, a psychiatrist, and a good one, because I’ve heard from people after, you know, after he passed, so I used to go to him. And he really helped me. So I know it was a good psychiatrist, but in relationship to his own emotions, the guy was clueless, clueless. And so I grew up clueless, I couldn’t tell you what I was feeling because I had no idea what I was feeling. So when I started doing this kind of work, like, you know, that becoming self aware, and I realized that this was an area that I needed to do. So this is before cellphones, you know, I had a timer from Radio Shack, and I would set it on the hour, and I had I printed I found a list of emotions, and educated myself about what they meant. So I created this grid, you know, like, every day of the week, and by the hour, and the emotions on the other side. And so I at the hour go off, and I go, am I feeling this? Am I feeling that? Am I feeling this? Maybe that could be? And little by little, I did that for several weeks until I started becoming more emotionally intelligent. And in terms of how to communicate them. It’s another big question. But the main thing is to realize that it’s our emotions, like nobody out there can make us feel anything. Unless there’s some room in there that’s being hurt, right? So it’s our emotions like, like say, let’s just a quick example so that you and I both have lunch with our friend Joe, every week, like and he Joe inevitably shows up late 20 minutes. There I am on on Monday, just like I knew it. He’s so selfish. So so irresponsible, so only cares about his own schedule, blah, blah, blah, and all the other stories that we make up about stuff like this. Whereas you you know, it’s like great, Joe’s late. I have 20 minutes. Let me go online. Let me return a phone call. Let me just do what there’s so many options, so many possible responses to somebody showing up late. Why does it get me so pissed off? Right, so, so it’s so that’s what I mean by owning that it’s our emotions, and it doesn’t make Joe’s lateness or anything goes right. But it’s not about that. It’s not excusing anybody’s behavior. Like that’s not the point of the conversation. If we want to be free. We start from that place that it’s our emotions. And and it’s, that’s what his book is, is you know, it’s part of a series on what it means to live heroically because it’s work like to be able to, to be willing to go inside and to feel the stuff that sometimes we spent a lifetime running away from feeling and to to look at patterns to understand And why we do the things we do, why we sometimes get to sabotage ourselves and sabotage our relationships. Sometimes from the get go by attracting people who are not a match people who are not available, like it’s work to figure all this stuff out. But it’s incredibly rewarding and liberating, because we can bring choice back into the equation. So to go back to your question, how to so owning, how do we how do we communicate and communicate emotions responsibly owning other hours, and then using, you know, like basic communication stuff like using I statements? So rather than saying you did this, or you always do that, like the other ego that doesn’t even know that it’s an ego yet that doesn’t understand what the ego construct is? And why would that makes us do the things we do. And that gets us so defensive, and takes everything personally, and feel so victimized by others and by life. So it doesn’t even know what it is, the only thing you can do is defend, right? And especially when we use words like you always do this, or you never do that. It’s like it. Like they might be looking you in the eye, but they’re not even they’re not even there. They’re going back in their mind, they’re going back in time back in time back in time to that one time in 2009. Well, they didn’t do that. And so then they get to be right and say, well, that’s not always true. I don’t always do that. So so using I statements, and again, here’s a really good formula when you do this, I feel my so when when when you show up late, I feel disrespected. I feel dishonored. And and and i don’t i don’t like this feeling. I love our relationship, our love our friendship. And can we do this a different way? Yeah, that’s what I like to have a conversation with Joe about.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Yeah, Joe, you gotta stop showing up late man. Worrying about it. But for truly, for God’s sake, come on to the idea to is that a good This gives that gives me an opportunity, if you’re owning your emotions, to go in and just look at that. Right? What is triggering me to get pissed off of Joe? Right? Why? Why am I starting with Joe? Just because he’s late. Right? I got a whole bunch of other things like we spend in this energy on and posted Joe, right. I’ll never, I’m never gonna get this 20 minutes back. And while I want to blame Joe, it’s not just fault. And then the other piece that you’re talking about? The I know, when you do this, I feel that.

Unknown Speaker 27:31
You know,

Brandon Handley 27:34
I recently read like a validation book, right? Because I’m not a great validator. Christian, just just so we all know, but I’ll be getting better. Your feelings are always valid, right? So you can never that’s never a false statement. That’s really saying so and that’s and that’s what allows that person to not be defensive when you make those. I feel safe. That’s right. Okay. All right. Thanks for sharing that. That’s definitely definitely Yeah,

Christian de la Huerta 28:02
it’s, it’s worthwhile work is if we do the work, if we take, you know, whatever time it takes to figure it out, it’s like, we, when we zoom out, zoom out a little bit. It’s like, wait a minute, it’s not just when Joe is late, that I get pissed off is when anybody shows up late. So what is that? Right? It’s not so it’s not really about Joe. And if I zoom out a little further, it’s not even just about being late. It’s when somebody you know, cuts me off in conversation or cuts me off in traffic, it’s it kind of evokes the same kind of feeling that same kind of frustration or anger is what is that? So if we are willing to do that work and go back in time back in time, and to begin to see when How did this pattern start, which most of the time is gonna go back to something from childhood probably in relationship to it with mommy or daddy. And, and what’s at the core of it is like, we don’t feel valued, right, like, the core underneath the anger. It’s like, we don’t feel respected. We don’t feel valued. We don’t feel like he’s like he’s valuing his time more than he’s valuing mine. And that’s the unhealed wound that’s getting triggered in this present situation, but the one is much older than my lunches with Joe.

Brandon Handley 29:12
Yeah. It’s like, peeling off a scab. That never quite healed. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, disgusting. Alright, so Kristen, got a couple questions for you real quick here. I kind of liken this show to like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Like, I understand Come on, and it’s the spiritual speed dating. And like, you know, what’s, what’s Christian got for me? So I’m gonna say, hey, Bachelor number one out of a couple different questions. If that’s your number one, what is your one wish for the world?

Christian de la Huerta 29:53
You know, and and i’m not i’m not a good one for speed dating. If we really got who we are, which which is connected to understanding that, that we’re not the ego. And really quickly, if we put up, here’s a great way of understanding that you go, if you put a baseball in the center of a stadium, that’s the ego, who we are is actually the fricking stadium. And we allow this tiny, tiny, tiny part of who we are to think that it is all of who we are. And to make really important, critical, consequential choices from its very small, limited and always fear based perspective. So if we got who we really are, that would shift everything, it would shift the relationship to ourselves, it would shift our relationship to each other, it would shift our relationship to the planet.

Brandon Handley 30:43
I love that visual too. And, you know, I guess that brings up the question, too, is like, we make that content, how do we make that conscious shift to, you know, connect to our power? How do we meet that constant shift to realize that we don’t have anything left to be afraid of, unless we’re hanging out in the desert reliance?

Christian de la Huerta 31:03
That’s right. And, you know, that’s like that’s by this book. Seriously, the book will walk you by the hand, and it’ll it’ll, it’ll help you understand the egos like, incomplete humility, I don’t know. Like, to me, this is the simplest way that that I’ve seen of explaining what the ego is. So that we can really get it so that we can get what it what the self made prison of the ego is, so that we can let ourselves out because nobody else is gonna let us out of our self made prisons, they can’t, only we can do that. And only we can step into our own power. Nobody can do that for us. But we’ve got it takes work. But we’ve got to get clear about why we do the things we do and in which situations, do we give our power away? Or, you know, is it does it tend to be with in romantic, intimate sexual relationships? Or do we tend to give our power away with authority figures, bosses, coaches, nose, religious leaders, that kind of thing, parental figures. And so once we are willing to do the work and look at the patterns, then we can, like cut it out, and stop giving our power away and, and stepping into our full potential as human beings? Because Ain’t nobody else gonna do it? If we don’t? Right,

Brandon Handley 32:16
right? I think that one of the couple of things I enjoyed about your book, too, since you brought up liking these questions, you’ve got these questions just like this to help you to identify the patterns. At the end of each chapter, you give out the layout. You say, all right, well, you know, here’s the information. But here’s how you can apply it right? Go ahead here, use some of these questions, detect the patterns. And then you know, to point, you get to know where is it you are giving your power away? And stop. Right? And again, that becomes a source. Right? Yeah. And, and at least at that point in time, you recognize that you’re, you know, in this position of your own power, and you get to at least determined to do it consciously. Right, exactly. In the end, that’s what freedom is.

Christian de la Huerta 33:07
Yeah, that’s it, you just nailed it. Because you know, there were times where it may not be in our highest highest interest. Like, we may not be our in our highest interest to like really step into our power in relationship to our boss, until we have something else lined up. Or if we’re being you know, somebody is holding a gun or a knife up in a dark alley. It may not be the that may not be the best time to say oh, well, this really doesn’t work for me. Right? You just hand over the frickin wallet and walk away with your life. So yeah, of course, of course. We’re gonna be smart about this. So I think you’re right. I think it’s about choice, bringing choice back into the equation.

Brandon Handley 33:44
Kristen, thanks so much for thanks for finding me. And, you know, offering to come on the show. I’ve enjoyed the conversation. I’ve enjoyed the book that I’ve read, you know, the bulk of it so far.

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Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an expert in the field of human potential. Dr. Capshew utilizes psychotherapy, meditation, energy work (Reiki), hypnosis, shamanic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic, Dr. Capshew spreads consciousness through his writing. He published both “Divine Warrior Training: Manifesting the Divine in our World” and “Consciousness Rising,” to spread love through the world and to advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia and enjoys the outdoors, photography and music.

During these uncertain times, the world is yearning for a shift in consciousness. “Consciousness Rising” by Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an enlightening new book that explores the beauty in pure, collective consciousness. By illuminating the destructive nature of the dominator consciousness, Dr. Capshew explains how the best way to bring global change is through self-love and love for one another. With the help of Dr. Capshew’s teachings, readers will understand the importance of attending to one’s own heart. Through the use of mental and spiritual techniques, readers can use neuroplasticity to reframe a more positive mindset and meditation, boost their connection with the Creator and understand that they have inherent value as divine creations. These constructive changes can extend to the outside world and build strong connections between the seen and unseen worlds.

https://thomascapshew.com/

Have you ever pondered upon the fact that you are capable of so much more and this world is restricting you? Do you feel that you’re capable of doing better things for your happiness? You’re doing your daily duties, but there is always a greater calling and a consciousness to discover? People like to live in disbelief and not gain the consciousness they can and agree to live the same monotonous life. But you realise you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater satisfaction and good?

Here’s the hard truth: you are so much more than you believe you are.

In this episode, we are joined by Thomas Capshew where he talks about his experience throughout his life and his recent book.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways you can bring up your energy and develop a relationship with your interior self.
  2. Discover the importance of listening to yourself and your heart.
  3. Learn the significance of meditation, and Thomas also describes in detail different critical points from his book.

Episode Highlights

[01:34] A Message for the Listeners

  • Thomas delivers the message of more healing over trauma over this entire year.
  • He also mentions that a massive shift will be seen in light, love and life all over the place.
  • The media will only bring in negativity, and hence he promotes that we see around us to see all the positive solutions coming into force.
  • He describes how we are all a part of the consciousness that created this world.

[06:30] Introduction

  • Thomas explains his meandering path through life.
  • He also describes his experience in his childhood growing up in a Christian household as a fundamentalist Christian, going to Law School and then moving to work as a Social Worker.
  • He mentions having a crisis of faith and describes his experience with getting people to adopt Christianity. 
  • He talks about his awakening towards the idea of spirituality.

[18:15] Consciousness Rising

  • He talks about how he had no plans to write a new book, but he got instincts that lead him to write Consciousness Rising.
  • He describes that he talks about how it is essential that consciousness keeps remembered in this material world.
  • Thomas goes on to describe his idea of consciousness. 
  • We’re a part of a vast hide and seek game, where the intelligence and universe forgot themselves, and now it is coming back in a full circle. 

[28:48] Lawyer to Social Worker

  • Thomas talks about how he wanted to follow his heart and do the right thing for him.
  • Sometimes you have to make a bold choice and be courageous.

[31:20] Topography of Potential

  • A mistake is only a choice that you haven’t learnt from yet.
  • Everyone comes into this world with a map, also called topography of potential.
  • Developing different skills is essential to realise the heart song.

[41:07] Tsunami of Acceleration 

  • The tsunami is just the volume of consciousness coming into this world.
  • We are accelerating the recognition of trauma and healing and making it a win-win for everybody. 
  • Additionally, we are also in an over-flooding of information which requires our brain to process vast amounts of data.

[45:52] The Dominator Consciousness 

  • Dominator Consciousness is what has been embedded into us humans for over a thousand years.
  • It instils in us the sense that we need to have power over people.
  • It is about creating a scarcity of resources. 

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Brandon

Brandon Handley 0:00
Yeah, that is worth that it’s worth hitting on right? You know, so that you’re kind of teed up then so Alright, we’ll get it going. And 54321 Hey there spiritual dope. We are here today with my guest Thomas cap shoe. He who Tom what I do with it what I do with your bio Tom. There we go. He is an expert in the field of human potential dr capture, utilize a psychotherapy, meditation, energy work Reiki, hypnosis, sermonic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic Dr. Cap shoe spreads consciousness through his writing, he published both divine war warrior training, manifesting the divine in our world and consciousness rising to spread love through the world and advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and enjoys the outdoors, photography, and music to a doctor. Good Doctor. Thanks for joining us today. Um, I like to start these off with the whole idea that source speaks through us, right? We’re kind of like these conduits for divine energy creation. And right now, in this very moment, something’s common through you that needs to be shared with somebody who’s listening to the podcast, what is that message?

Thomas Capshew 1:33
The message is that this is the year where we are going to have more healing happening in the world on this planet than we have trauma happening. There’s there’s, we’re going to reach a tipping point where the collective trauma and wounds that we’ve all experienced, will be outweighed by the amount of people working to heal those wounds. And from there on out, we’re gonna see a huge shift in the amount of light and life and love that flows into the world.

Brandon Handley 2:22
Where do you feel like you see that

Thomas Capshew 2:26
it’s happening all over the place, you know, if you just listen to the media, you’re not gonna see it, all you’re gonna see is negativity, because that’s what attracts people. It’s like watching an accident, you know, you can’t take your eyes off of it. But if you look at what’s happening in our communities, what’s happening with each other, it’s creating all kinds of Win Win situations from people developing organizations that transform homelessness, to poverty, to all of the all of the major questions and issues that we’ve had as collective humans. Those are all coming into new positive solutions. There’s a website that I follow, called heart math that does a global coherence project where they’ve got these measuring sites around the world that show when the human collective gets gets into coherence with each other, and it’s happening more and more frequently. So there’s lots of lots of evidence. I’m a licensed clinical social worker in Virginia, and have a private practice here, as well as a practice online. And in the last couple of months, I’ve never had the volume of people coming in saying, you know, I’m 55 years old, and I’ve been carrying this around since I was eight years old. I want to get rid of this. From that happened to me this this event that happened to me at eight years old. I’m no longer interested in having it limit me. I’ve had such a volume of people coming in, in the last few months that are shedding their wounds of the past.

Brandon Handley 4:46
That’s great. Do you think that they have what do you think the reasons? Is there something pointing to that like what the reason is for them now? Why now really sad trauma right?

Thomas Capshew 5:00
Well, I think collectively in in my book consciousness rising, I assert that we we are all part of the consciousness that created the universe. And from a vibrational standpoint, as, as time moves forward consciousness, the vibration of consciousness rises. And so it’s easier for people to see their limitations and to recognize that they can shed those limitations. So collectively as a species, our our entire collective is raising its consciousness. So it’s, it’s getting lighter and lighter and easier and easier to shed those darker energies that we took on when we got wounded.

Brandon Handley 5:57
Gotcha. So, you know, it sounds to me, like, you know, just consciousness as a whole is, is evolving, right? And that’s what what we’re what we’re experiencing when we see people who are coming in and releasing the trauma and letting go of the things that are limiting them.

Unknown Speaker 6:13
Right, right.

Unknown Speaker 6:14
Look, I

Brandon Handley 6:15
really enjoy the book, actually, consciousness rising. I want to share it with you. But you know, I’ve got I’m using a, you know, reader on the Mac Book here. And yes, I’ve got highlights, you know, just highlighted many, many different things. You know what, let’s talk a little bit before we jump into the book, though, let’s talk a little bit about you know, who is Thomas cashew? Right? Like, no, you’ve got, you know, what I know about you is, is where the pieces of whereas it says no kind of with the heart of a social worker and the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic. I know if you were those pieces come from myself, but let’s let the audience know, like, where does the the, you know, the mind of an attorney come from? in that?

Thomas Capshew 7:08
Yeah. Well, I’ve called, I’ve had what I call a meandering path through my life. So I started off as the middle of five children raised in a fundamentalist Christian household and started off my college career studying to be a minister, and ended up having a crisis of faith and left the church kind of ended up getting a psychology degree undergrad and then owned a small business and decided I didn’t want to do that any longer. And so kind of on a whim, I went to law school. The reason that I went to law school is because I was a janitor in a law firm and had a running dialogue with the secretaries about how often I was supposed to clean the the kitchen. They were messing it up every day, and I was supposed to clean it up clean at once a week. And the attorneys told me, they were laughing about the messages. We were leaving back and forth. And they said, you should think about going to law school because you make good arguments and you write well, so you know, a few years later, I went to law school. I practice law in Florida for seven years. I enjoyed it. I was good at it, but it didn’t make my heart sing. And so eventually, I got involved in the legal aspects of assisted suicide. That was back when jack kevorkian was doing his thing. And I was doing legal seminars for hospice. Workers about you know how to navigate that thought, and I got to know some social workers and thought, hey, that’s a good combo social work and law. So I went back to school and got a Master’s and PhD in social work, and then graduated and practice social work. And in the meantime, I decided to go to an interfaith Seminary in New York City. And God ordained as an interfaith minister, which kind of completed the circle of my meandering careers, but it’s really fun because I feel like I’ve put them all together and what I do now, which is, you know, I’ve got I’ve got the ability to see clearly the what’s happening, which an attorney does. I’ve got the The compassion that a social worker would have and I have the spiritual focus of my, my interfaith ministry.

Brandon Handley 10:13
Well, you know, I always think of life is the family life Cirque family circus, right? And that path that Billy goes on when he’s kind of walking around the neighborhood, right? It’s just kind of like it’s just and, and life is not linear, right? I don’t care. Yeah, I don’t care who you are. I’m sure you went to school and you had some goals, and you met them? Right by becoming a lawyer. And that seemed like it was linear. But I’m sure that the whole path there and throughout was not right. Right. I’m really curious. So I’m not aware of what a fundamentalist Christian is. Could you just elaborate on that for me, because there might be an audience member to that might not know what that is?

Thomas Capshew 10:57
Okay. The way I’m using that term is someone who believes that the word the written New Testament is to be taken literally, and that that’s what you use to decide how to live your life on a daily basis. And so, it’s non denominational, meaning it’s not, you know, one of the big it’s not Catholic, it’s not Methodist. It’s, it’s just each church stands on its own. So it’s fairly constructive around behaviors. No, no drinking, no smoking, no dancing. No music in the worship service, other than acapella singing. So that’s what I was raised in.

Brandon Handley 11:57
Sounds very, if we’re gonna go to the 80s. Very Kevin Bacon, very Footloose. Right. Yeah, reference see, you know, I’m happy to share my my age, you know, as we as we mark ourselves as we go through these, um, the other piece in here is, you know, so you. So even though it was kind of restrictive, you still went to go study to be a minister right off the bat. Right. And I’m just curious, you mentioned the the crisis of faith, what what do you what do you feel like that was?

Thomas Capshew 12:34
Well, one of the things I did, as a member of the church is I did missionary service. So I went to Europe to try to convert people to Jesus. And the crisis of faith that I had was, I had this question that the members of the church couldn’t give me an adequate answer for and that question was, say, there’s a guy that lives in the jungles of Brazil, and has never even heard of Jesus, much less, you know, been offered to accept Jesus as a savior. And but he lives a good life, and he takes care of people and he does the things that Jesus would, would ask him to do, and he dies, does he go to heaven? Or does he go to hell? And the answer that I got from everyone in the church was, he goes to hell, and it’s your job to get there before he dies, so that he won’t go to hell. And that this wouldn’t compute for me. As, as I have come to know my Creator. The the creative force of the universe, I the shorthand that I use for that force is love. That love is what created the universe and what is that energy that sustains us? And so, obviously, if the Creator is all loving them, they’re you know, may not even be a hell much less. Have some arbitrary decision that some guy that’s not heard of a certain person that’s gonna go to hell.

Brandon Handley 14:37
Yeah, like, what about everybody that came before Jesus, right? That makes sense, right? I mean, I can see kind of where that that that breaks down. And then, so you’re going through law school, you become a lawyer. We’ll hit on heart song here in a little bit. And where you know what They’re kind of in here, do you go full on spiritual? Right Where’s like kind of your I know in your book you and I jotted it down to our at least I highlight it in the book. It’s like, life’s kind of like a series of awakenings. Right. And it’s not just like, not just, hey, there’s one awakening moment. But you know, there’s a series of them. But if you could kind of pinpoint where you feel like you had maybe your first

Thomas Capshew 15:31
Well, the first awakening was the crisis of faith. The Awakening that brought me to the work that I do now is that, as a social worker, the spiritual component often has not considered. And when you think about mental health, often times what I’ve found in my practice, is that mental health issues arise out of a spiritual discontent, out of kind of not really knowing what you’re doing here, not having a framework for how the world works for you. And so then out of those out of those uncertainties often come anxiety or depression, you know, if if you’re working in a, in a job where you’re doing something that doesn’t really make your heart sing, then it’s really easy to go into depression, you know, what am I doing here? Why am I doing this? Am I am I just doing this to get a paycheck so that I can pay my mortgage so that I can, you know, not be homeless? I mean, what kind of life is that. So that’s where the spiritual discontent comes in. And if you focus on getting to the essence of why you’re here, why you’re on the planet, at this moment, or at this lifetime, then you can start moving into a place where you’re, you’re enjoying waking up and getting up and doing what you feel is what you’re supposed to be doing for your life. Instead of doing what somebody else wants you to do for your life.

Brandon Handley 17:35
Right now. Understood, right? Definitely, definitely something that we hit on on this podcast often, right? You know, when you find when you find, you’ve kind of woken up to the idea that what you’re doing now is really everybody else’s best idea for what you should be doing. Right? And then and then then trying to figure out how to unwind all that into what you at least feel like you should be doing. So. No, I love it. So let’s talk about the book. Let’s talk about the book consciousness rising what you know why you why here, why now, this book?

Thomas Capshew 18:14
Well, let me tell you a little bit about how this book came to be. Because after my first book, divine warrior training, I didn’t really have any plans to write a second book, but about four or five years ago, I kept waking up at 4:18am and got up and had stuff to write down, you know, typed out stuff, and I’m like, oh, okay, there’s, that’s an interesting article, like one of the first ones was, nothing exists outside of relationship, that you can’t even define something without defining what it’s not or what it’s in opposition to. And so, over the course of the next couple of years, I just kept on getting prompted to wake up at 418 and write stuff down. It wasn’t every every time at 418, but more often than not, and then eventually it dawned on me again, you know, kind of those awakenings to what source has in store for you. I said oh, this is a book and originally it was a book called The human value proposition which is the first part of consciousness rising, but eventually developed into what what we have now and the Why is mainly because I think Think it is in evitable. It’s the, it’s absolutely essential to reality that consciousness ends up remembering itself in, in, in the material form. That’s the whole process that we’re a minute part of, we’re actually the leading edge of the material form, recognizing everything as divine. And we’re just, we’re just on the cusp of getting to that place where we say, you know, there’s everything sacred. There’s nothing that’s not sacred, and we need to start treating everything that way. And when we do, our whole world is gonna shift.

Brandon Handley 21:03
Oh, absolutely right. I love the idea of kind of being on the edge of consciousness, right being kind of, um, I always think of it as, you know, just being literally on the razor’s edge, right Is that fine as the universe continues to expand? We are, you know, the, the expanded, you know, de expansion of consciousness, right? And right on that edge, right? Always right on that edge of edge of creation, right? This is what’s happening right here. And now, what would you tell me what you mean by consciousness?

Thomas Capshew 21:38
What I mean by consciousness is intelligence that created the material world. So in my first book, divine warrior training, I talked about I call it I call this process, the god game. Gods. You know, one of those shorthand labels for consciousness as well, although it’s kind of been co opted by some people to be something less than what it is. But the god game is, before anything in the material world existed, there existed this intelligence. And this intelligence, decided at a point of singularity to begin a process where matter, matter was created, and matter is more dense than intelligence. And the the game is that, from that point of singularity, it created the material world so that the material world would eventually be able to recognize the intelligence of the universe. So it goes a full circle back, it’s like a Hide and Seek game, you know, we’re part of this huge Hide and Seek game where the intelligence of the universe forgot itself. And now it’s coming back to remember itself.

Brandon Handley 23:18
Love it. So the guy games, the game is, essentially just to recognize the intelligence of the universe. Right. And would you say that, is that part and parcel to reconnecting to it as well? Is, is that the recognition period? Is that the recognition period when you actually connect? reconnect? Yeah,

Thomas Capshew 23:43
yeah, when, you know, we’ve all humans have experienced a habit. We’ve all had an experience where we’ve felt one with everything. Most of us have some, some people say they haven’t felt that but many humans have felt that that’s reconnecting that’s joining back into the the understanding that everything’s connected. Everything you and I are connected, every person that listens to this, every person that doesn’t listen to this is also connected. So that’s, that’s the, that’s the inevitable movement forward of consciousness to get to that place where I recognize that you’re a part of me, that I’m a part of you. I’m a part of the plant that’s sitting in front of me, we’re all connected.

Brandon Handley 24:48
So, I try to I try to share out the idea that, you know, the universe crew was created, you know, from something the size of a pea, right? You know, and And if we think that we’re not connected, like, after all being kind of jammed and crammed into the size of a pea, right, knowing what we know, to about just kind of like, how, you know, photons and you know, everything just stays connected, right? There’s no masses, not masses, there’s never never need less mass, right? You know, the same amount of mass exists and in perpetuity. So, at one point, you know, we, we’ve all been a part of one another, right? So we we carry it, even, even from a material level, right? Even if we can’t, even if we can’t wrap our heads around, like being synced on an energetic level, we can wrap our head around the the idea that we all share some type of at least a couple skin cells from whatever, before us, right?

Thomas Capshew 25:54
Well, if you think about atoms and molecules, atoms, you know, don’t, don’t disappear, they just get reconstituted. So, you know, we each can have atoms that used to be part of Albert Einstein, or part of Hitler, or part of Jesus, you know, those, those atoms that the material world just is in constant flux of shedding stuff and reconstituting as, as something else. And so we’ve each got that that we share.

Brandon Handley 26:38
Now, and I just think it’s, you know, sometimes it’s challenging to share that idea if somebody is not in this space, quote, unquote, right? So if they’re like, oh, what are you talking about? You know, how do you? How do you share that idea? So thanks for thanks for walking through that visual as well.

Thomas Capshew 26:56
Actually, COVID has helped us with that a little bit. Because we now understand in ways that we didn’t before COVID, that respiratory droplets are what sends COVID from me to you. And they’re not anything that we can see. But we’ve certainly been able to verify that with science, right? And so then my, my being in proximity to your being has an impact, even if I can’t see it, right. And so you take that from the biology of COVID. And you put it into the energetics of physics. And, you know, anytime you’re in close proximity with anybody, your your atoms and photons are all mixed up together. And, you know, we know that intuitively. Right? You walk into a room, and everybody’s angry, you can feel it, right. You walk into a room and everybody’s having a blast, you can feel that. Right? You can’t necessarily measure it, because it’s energetic versus, you know,

Brandon Handley 28:22
that we can’t measure it because we haven’t developed the tools to do it yet. Right. Like, I mean, it’s, it’s really, it’s really kind of what it boils down to, right. There’s, I’m sure that there’s you know, I’m sure there’s somebody who’s working on it right now. Right? I’m sure there’s a prototype no doubt, no doubt. Um, one more thing, too, is is, you know, gone from a lawyer to a social worker, right? Why do that?

Thomas Capshew 28:46
Yeah. Why do that? Exactly? Well, because I wanted to follow my heart. I enjoyed practicing law. I was good at it. My last job was as an appellate Attorney for the Department of Transportation in Florida. And if you you know, you want to look it up. I my last case, was before the Florida Supreme Court, and I won that case seven to zero. And as it was estimated that I save the state of Florida, $660 million. So, you know, it wasn’t that I couldn’t do that do the work. It’s that didn’t make my heart sing. When I chose to go back to school, and I’d love to study I’m a lifetime student. When I chose back to go back to school, my attorney friends, half of them thought I was nuts, to go from law to social work. The other half were envious. Because they weren’t necessarily doing what they wanted to do, but they felt like they were stuck. So, you know, sometimes you just have to make a bold move and be courageous and say, you know, this is my life and I’m, I’ve got to live it the way that I think I’m, I need to live it, even if you make a mistake. And it wasn’t a mistake,

Brandon Handley 30:20
not not Oh, you know. And of course, you know, my first my first thought is I will not for you, Tom. Right. I know. So it worked out for you. And, to your point, though, too. I think that even if it’s a mistake, I did a recent interview where, you know, we’re just trying to talk talk talking at the end of the interview and, and she was just talking about whatever it was, she’s doing, developing into, like, you know, being making a living, I’m like, Look, worst case scenarios, like you’re doing something that makes sense to you right now, to your point, you know, following the heart song, let’s talk a little bit about that. Because that is one of the topics in the book is the heart song. So, which, which I thought I thought spoke out nicely. I think it came in yet right underneath of. And I like that typography of potential, right. So let’s talk about a little bit of what is the typography of potential and the heartsong.

Thomas Capshew 31:17
Okay. First, I want to comment about a mistake, because a mistake is only a choice that you’ve made that you haven’t learned from yet. Once you learn from edit, it’s no longer a mistake. It’s, it was maybe a missed direction, but it adds to your, to your path. riddle me

Brandon Handley 31:43
this one. I’ve seen this. I’ve seen this a lot of times, and like I’m in the hardcore Personal Development Series, right? I just say hardcore Professional Development Series for these people that like, you know, you know, grind and hustle people, right? But the idea that a mistake made more than once is done on purpose, true or false?

Thomas Capshew 32:09
No, mistake made more than once is you haven’t learned yet. Got from ionic standpoint, we, we create circumstances over and over again to heal ourselves. And sometimes that circumstance will re wound us. But that’s part of our energetic move forward is to try to create the condition that will create the healing.

Brandon Handley 32:43
Yeah, no, thank thank you for that. I, like I said, that’s one that always kind of irritated me, right? Just like, you know, who are you to make you to make that claim, right to be like, well, you made that mistake more than once. That’s on purpose. What are you talking about? Right? Like, how can you be so like, that’s, anyways, anyways. So typography, potential heartsong, let’s say,

Thomas Capshew 33:04
yeah, typography of potential each one of us is born is created by love and comes into the world with a typography of potential. Just like a typography map, there are things that we will easily be good at, and things that we will have to work like hell to be good at. So there’s valleys in our topography of potential as well as hills or mountains. So a good example is comparing my basketball skills to LeBron James basketball skills. I was born with a valley in my typography of potential for basketball. LeBron James was born with a mountain. So absolutely, he’s worked his butt off to get where he is. But he started with the ability with a lot of potential that he just built on to make him such a phenomenal basketball player. I, I would never have gotten there, because I didn’t have that preset group of skills. I had other skills that you know, I’ve worked to develop. So each one of us has that topography of potential. And our work is to develop a deep enough relationship with ourselves so that we can know what what that typography is so that we can find what I call our heart song, which is our heart song is that one purpose that we are on the planet to fulfill. Oh, you know, for me, it’s working with people To live up to their potential, you know, that’s, and it’s taken me a while to come to that, understanding that that’s what I was put here to do. And so developing different skills that helped me to live that heart song, you know, over time, what we’ve what we’ve done with people, we’ve, we’ve, as a as a species, we have wasted so much human potential. In fact, all of us, every single one of us will die without actualizing all of our potential.

Brandon Handley 35:39
I mean, and just pause there for a second. I mean, is that necessarily a bad thing? Is, is that a good thing? or a bad thing? Right? And like, yeah, let’s say that, you know, you’re doing all you can to maximize who you are? Or is it more to the sense of, there is always something more and greater that you can accomplish? Right? And regardless, regardless, right, so, inevitably, yeah, well, we’re all gonna perish leaving something on the table. Right. Is that? Is that kind of the thought there?

Thomas Capshew 36:14
Yeah. And, you know, I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing. But what I’m saying is that the way we’ve built society, is we really don’t work at helping people develop their potential. We work at it our schools, work at developing people to work for other people, instead of to follow their own dream. And so you know, who’s, who’s the next? Yo, yo, ma in, you know, a low income area of Chicago that won’t even know that for the their whole life because no one introduced them to a cello.

Brandon Handley 37:09
Right? Yeah. No, no, that’s fair. That’s fair. Yeah, that was something you had on in the book as well. It was it was talking about, I guess, coming along your path or opening up to your heart song. Or it might it may have been another section. And of course, this folks may, just because we talked a little bit about saying, you know, things may look bad right now, but they’re actually good. Right. And one of the things for me, it is turned out? Well, in this related sense of the story of your book, we’ve had to pull our kids from the educational system, right. And we’ve been able to teach them at home. And I’m very excited about it, because I recognize that we’re not like crushing little souls. Right, or, or trying to morph them into, you know, the, the solid and industrial line workers, right. So, for me, it’s very exciting, right to, to be able to kind of break a shackle as it were, and to be able to, you know, we talk about coming back to ourselves, right, by coming back to ourselves, but a big part and this is my opinion, right? A part of us coming back to ourselves is because we’ve been layered and layered and things that we aren’t by by the social conditioning, right? So if you don’t get socially conditioned, right, then who do you have to come back to, then you have the opportunity to live out your whole life as who you’re supposed to be? Right?

Thomas Capshew 38:47
Right. So imagine a world where every newborn was seen as God as seen as a divine being with unlimited potential. And our job as caretakers for that newborn is to help them develop there in a potential what, what kind of world would we have within five years mean that just think of the transformation where people would all be doing, what they love and what they were meant to be? And, you know, everything. My My belief is that if when we live into that world, everybody is going to be doing their heart song, and everything’s going to be taken care of, I mean, Providence, you can I, I could be a janitor and be singing my heart song or I could, you know, decide that I’m going to figure out a way to convert you human excrement into energy for, you know, whatever, right? That the possibilities are endless if we start with the idea that as parents and as caregivers, were shepherding in higher consciousness, when a baby gets born,

Brandon Handley 40:27
I think it’s interesting to think of it that way, right? To just realize that that’s the consciousness expansion, kind of come right in behind you. And it’s, it’s your, your job or your goal or if you put effort into it, then you can help accelerate that expansion. Is that how you kind of look at it. So you also bring up the idea, and I thought this was pretty cool too. And it really kind of relates to, to the whole thing, but the tsunami of acceleration, right, or the tsunami of consciousness, and kind of what we’re doing here and consciousness rising, always share a little bit of that. And I’d love to hear, you know, have you share where you see that coming into play?

Thomas Capshew 41:14
Well, the, the tsunami is just the, the volume of consciousness that’s coming into the world. So if you think about it, 50 years ago, we didn’t have a word for domestic violence. We didn’t, we didn’t have a word for child abuse. Those were concepts that have come into existence in the last few years. We are, we are accelerating the recognition of trauma and of wounds, that then we begin to heal by raising our consciousness and recognizing the way that we can treat each other that is a win win for everybody. And so that, that tsunami is happening. The The downside is, we’re also in a tsunami of, of information. We have never, it humans have never had access to as much information as they’ve had in the last, you know, every every year it grows exponentially. And so, the problem with the access to information is that it it requires our brain to process the information, our brain is also designed to look for danger. And so that’s where fear comes from. And so, there’s so much information that anybody can access a limited amount of information and go to fear. And that’s what happened. That’s what’s happening in our society is, we’re getting siloed into different information flows that create fear of each other. And stead of going to our heart where we access our Creator and the love of the universe. And our heart is the place that when we live out of our heart, then we see the expansiveness and the way that we can all win and all get along and live into our potential and live our hearts song. So, you know, there’s a couple of tsunamis going on. One of them is pushing us toward fear and one of us is one of them is pushing us toward love. And the great thing about being human, probably the the one thing I’d say is the most. The bait, the best thing about being human is we have choice. We get to choose, choose love, choose fear. You know, fear is of the head. Love is of the heart.

Brandon Handley 44:36
I think that the power of choices is it’s recognized and it’s often on recognized, right? So it’s like for one once you recognize the power of choice, you’re you’re you’re astounded, right but until you realize just how powerful choices the word and meaning seems arbitrary right? You know, because, again, go back to the you know, we you feel like you made all your choices yourself, but really you just accepted everybody else’s choices for you. Right? And then and then at a certain point, you realize, yes, you accepted all their choices, but now you can start to see and turned your knobs and whatnot for yourself right to make your own conscious choices, right. with intention purpose, for those outcomes. One other term that you have in the book that I really enjoy, is the dominator consciousness been no, you know, to me, that’s kind of what we’re coming out of, if we choose to look at it that way. But could you share what what that what that what that means?

Thomas Capshew 45:47
Dominator consciousness is what we’ve been embedded in for 1000s of years. And it is the sense that it’s important to have power over other people versus power among. And so what what’s happened is we’ve bought into the idea that there’s a limit to power, and resources and love, and all of those things are limited, when in fact, they are not, they’re unlimited. If we access power from our Creator, there’s plenty of power for everybody. If we access resources from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. If we access love from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. So the dominator consciousness perpetuates itself by creating scarcity. And then selling that resource to people. So for example, land is is scarcity, you know, is there’s a certain amount of land available and, you know, if you live in Northern Virginia like I do, you’ve, you’re gonna pay a premium for a piece of land, if you live in the northern territories of Canada, that same size land would probably be, you know, a miniscule amount compared to what it is in Northern Virginia. So it’s creating scarcity and then saying, Okay, well, I’m going to have power over you by marshaling resource and then not sharing it with people. So power among is understanding that we all have capacity to access our source of power and love and resources. And when you do that, you become a manifester, yourself and you you bring into the world, the things that are needed, and with your co creating with the Creator.

Brandon Handley 48:23
Yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s the part where you really know where you release that scarcity, where you release, release that restriction on yourself, right? And you open yourself up to the possibilities, right? And therefore you know, you you are this kind of goes back to you now you’re making those conscious choices now you’re in alignment with who you are. Now you start singing your heart song, right? And and, you know, you begin to kind of let it all in

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what is

Brandon Handley 48:54
what is like one practical tool that you would give to somebody who’s on the journey today.

Thomas Capshew 49:01
The most useful, practical tool that I suggest is to develop a practice where you go to your heart, where you meditate, and you access what I call the temple of your heart or the Sacred Heart. And from that place, you can access the resources of the universe. And so developing a relationship with your your interior landscape, as I call it, is probably the best thing you can do to find your path forward. Because our mind is what keeps us engaged with the exterior world that we see. And we aren’t going to find our passion and purpose out there. We’ll get a lot of people that will tell us what they think it should be. But only when you access your heart. Can you hear that? Quiet whisper of your heart song. And that’s the only place in the in the world that no one else can go to. But you? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:22
Do you have I think I think I’ve seen some meditations that you offer. Do you have a meditation that would somebody could experience like this?

Thomas Capshew 50:32
I do. There’s a on my website, which is Thomas kept shoe.com there’s a free, choose love meditation that you can download. And in the last couple of months, I got a bunch of meditations put up on my, in my shop. They’re they’re really expensive, though. They’re 97 cents apiece.

Brandon Handley 50:59
Oh, breaking the bank.

Thomas Capshew 51:01
Yeah, right. So what I do, I do a particular kind of meditation called x asis meditation. And the purpose of the next asis meditation is to shut down your mind and shut down your body, so that your consciousness can expand and move out into what I call the sea of possibilities. And so next asis meditation takes you, it’s a guided meditation that takes you on a journey to a place where you become one with everything. And then I’ve got a series where you, then I lead you back on a level zero, the level one you, you go to the sea of possibilities and spend three minutes and then I lead you back. level two, you go for nine minutes, and then I bring you back. And level three, you go for 27 minutes, and then I bring you back. And so the purpose is to develop the skill to be aware in your consciousness without having your mind intervene. So it’s, it’s a, it’s a bit. It’s theta brainwaves for those of you that are more into the science. We’re right now in beta brainwaves. If you close your eyes and breathe down into your diaphragm, you’d go into alpha brainwaves, which is light relaxation. Theta brainwaves is four to eight hertz, and that’s deep relaxation. And that’s where, you know, you come up with a lot of creative ideas and stuff like that. And then delta brainwaves asleep. So that phasis meditations are designed to have you hit that theta brainwave range and move out into your consciousness and leave your mind and body behind for a given period of time.

Brandon Handley 53:19
It’s always nice to lead the body time. Always nicely the body so just real quick, who would you say your ideal like client is if you’ve got like an idea of that.

Thomas Capshew 53:29
Um, my ideal client is someone who is self reflective and who knows that they’re they’re a spiritual being having a human experience but often gets trapped in the human experience. And so you know, my job is to kind of help them tip that scale over to where they can live their life knowing that they’re a spiritual being and everything they experience as a human experience.

Brandon Handley 54:07
Awesome. So if your ideal client is listening right now they should go to find more of you at Thomas capture calm or where were they find you?

Thomas Capshew 54:19
Yeah, that Thomas capture calm. I have, they can click on a free 30 minute consultation. So we can chat about what their needs are and what skills I have and whether that’s a good, good match or not. I’d also like to offer a free ebook to your listeners. So if if you want a ebook of consciousness rising, then you can email me at free ebook at Thomas captured calm. So make sure you got three E’s in their free ebook At Thomas capture calm and I’ll send you a download for the book.

Brandon Handley 55:08
I know we didn’t like to talk too much specifically about the book, but it’s definitely it’s an enjoyable read. I think it’s effective. I think it’s practical. I think that you know, it’s very it’s, it’s almost like a spiritual lawyer wrote it. Alright, so Tom, I want to say thank you so much for spending some time on spiritual dope today. We really appreciate you being here. Thank you for I’m really actually interested in your spiritual warrior book. I think that sounds like fun. And thank you for sharing this book with me and sharing it with the world with the work that you’re doing.

Thomas Capshew 55:44
You’re welcome, Brandon. And I’m really grateful for you having me on and all the work you’re doing to move consciousness higher.

Brandon Handley 55:57
And that’s where we’ll stop Tom. So I appreciate you

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It was great to sit down with the author of “Sight Beyond Sight“, Raine Dalyrmple as we cover many different grounds on spirituality!

Have you ever thought that you had a particular motive when you were born? Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing your daily chores, but something feels empty and left out? People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you can so much more; you just have to realise it.

In this episode, we are joined by Raine where she talks about his experience with consciousness and the more significant sources.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways consciousness can affect your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of the more significant source or, as everyone calls it, ‘God.’
  3. Learn the significance of practising consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Raine has spent about two decades in the education and teaching department in different genres.
  • We are all evolving every day, and hence what we were yesterday might not be what we are today.
  • To believe is the biggest thing you can do, not only for you but also for the people in your lives.

[04:04] Believing 

  • It doesn’t matter what phase you come from or what religion you practise; we’re not alone.
  • The source is the supernatural superpower that helps us live a better quality of life. 

[07:04] Role of Consciousness 

  • Consciousness is the ability to be able to comprehend what is going around us entirely.
  • Raine talks about how she realised her abilities from her trauma in her 20s.
  • She describes the concept of the threefold plane.

[14:50] Paranormal Experiences

  • Experiences that defy logic.
  • She tells the story of her experience with angels from when she was pregnant with her daughter.
  • She also talks about the visions she experienced from the source, which eventually lead to them being an inspiration for her book.

[19:32] Merging Worlds

  • Raine talks about how it wasn’t her goal to get here, but now it brings her gratitude, realising where she is. 
  • You get what you ask for.
  • When you start incorporating it into your life, you start relating to other people more.

[26:44] Books and Courses

  • She started writing about nine years ago.
  • You have to understand the barriers, the blocks and become a better person through realisation. 
  • If you work towards something without eminent pressure, you will be able to do it.
  • The book walks you through different aspects of life and makes you realise things.
  • To be human, we need that interaction with people. This is what Raine achieves in her different programs. 
  • She explains the practical experiences given in her book. 

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right. Okay, ready? 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope on here today. We’ve got a very special guests. We’ve got rain Dalrymple. Let’s get right to it, right

Raine Dalrymple 0:15
certainly did.

Brandon Handley 0:16
Yeah, good, good. It’s just got a it’s got a spelling. It was confused me rain. And so thank you for I butchered quite a few names coming on.

Raine Dalrymple 0:26
Well, often what I often what I’ll do is in you’ll notice in my book, I just write rainbow, because it’s way easier to me.

Brandon Handley 0:35
What’s the what’s the origin of that last name? Like? What’s, uh,

Unknown Speaker 0:38
what was it?

Raine Dalrymple 0:39
I believe it’s some Scottish and I think there’s some English and French in there. Okay. Okay.

Brandon Handley 0:46
Good to know, good to know. So rain, you and I, you know, you’re an author, you’re a teacher, your your number of things, but like, you know, if you know, for this podcast, what would you tell people? Who How would you describe yourself? You know,

Raine Dalrymple 1:01
I would say that, you know, I spent a little over two decades in education and in the helping profession working with all genres, like persons with disabilities, daycares, ex offenders, women, men, there isn’t really, you know, any genre I haven’t worked with, I don’t I don’t think. Um, and so now, I’ve taken all of that information and that growth on a professional level, as well as my own personal growth in my own life experiences. And I’ve pulled that all together. So I would basically say that I’m, you know, an author, content creator, visionary. But that’s good for now. There’s lots in there and intuitive.

Brandon Handley 1:51
For sure. I love it. I love it. Thanks. It’s a sometimes like, sometimes the BIOS that, you know, we share back and forth, they don’t really catch the essence of who you really are, like all the time, right, that they read well, for sometimes, like, Who are you really? Right. And I actually

Raine Dalrymple 2:09
did tell you the truth, I hate writing them, because it’s like, Okay, how much do I say I do? And how much do I leave out? Because it can tend to go on and be dry? And you’re like, sure. Yeah, you just you don’t want to hear all of that. Right?

Brandon Handley 2:24
It all It all depends, like I said, when it’s in when it’s in writing, it’s I think you can take it in a little bit faster to write and then like, when you when, you know, how can you be concise enough to just deliver the essence of who reign is right.

Raine Dalrymple 2:38
So thank you. Yeah, for sure. And we’re all we’re all, you know, we’re in this evolution. You know, we’re maturing, and we’re growing in everything we do every day. Right. So what we were yesterday, we may be something different tomorrow. So yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:54
absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. So like to start these off with the whole idea. You said, you know, you’re an intuitive. And, you know, you’ve seen angels, and so you’re no stranger to kind of opening yourself up and connecting to source. And I’m going to ask you to do that to share a message right now to a listener that could only come through you today, right now, in this moment through source, what’s that message? Say? Right?

Raine Dalrymple 3:27
I’d say the message would be to believe that would be the biggest thing that you can do, not only for yourself, but for the people in your lives. And and also for for the angels and, and the universal source that exists.

Brandon Handley 3:48
So to what and so if I believe in that, and for myself, I like that. And for for the people, right? How does that extend to two people?

Raine Dalrymple 4:03
Well, really, what it’s saying is that it doesn’t matter. You know, what faith you come from what religion you believe in? And then let me just say they’re in the benevolent realms. Not in the malicious for humps, although it is all energy. It’s all the same energy, energy is energy and it’s alive. But what we really want to understand in our own awareness is that we’re not alone, right? We’re not here alone. We’re not even when we are alone. We’re say living in our apartment by ourselves. We’re never truly alone. Because we have source which is God’s source, the divine, whatever you want to call it. I mean, again, those are labels, right? And we’re language people, right? So we have to attach some kind of a word to it. But source is source and source is an energy. That is the superpower is a super conscious power source. And so when we tap into that, we come to understand and learn what the role of consciousness is, and how it can function in our lives to help us to live a better quality life.

Brandon Handley 5:23
Now, you know, a lot of good things in there, right? Obviously, right? You hit on, especially the benevolent realms, right? Just trying to see what kind of good source can bring to us, right. And especially if we believe in source as being benevolent, we can do that for ourselves and for others. The idea of not being here alone, just as you spoke about not only being connected to source but you know, potentially angels or other others, right. Always, always interesting to hear that we, as humans, can only see like less than 1% of natural light anyways, or the full spectrum. So there’s 99.99% that we’re missing out on. And he hit on to like, what is the role of consciousness was, you know, I know that this is something that’s, you know, going to be big for you, in your book and sight Beyond Sight? Is, is consciousness, how would you? How would you? What would you say consciousness is because I’ll just give you kind of like, where I get twisted, I still get twisted on it, right? Like, I’m always like, consciousness of of what right? Like I’m, when I’m conscious of something, I’m aware of something. And what that something is, can be any number of things. But then when we refer to you and I, in this conversation, consciousness, we’re speaking of this greater consciousness, this collective consciousness, what are what are we saying? or What are you saying? And when you say,

Raine Dalrymple 7:02
well, consciousness is the ability to be able to see that there is more to us than you touched on it. You talked about the human condition, right? In a sense, you said, our humanity. So yeah, we can go about our day, and we can live our day, no problem, without being fully conscious that there’s something more out there than what we’re seeing, because we have to remember that we’re living in the 3d world, which is we, we believe in what we see, right? We see the table in front of us, we see everything in the materialistic world. And so that’s what 3d basically is, it’s living in that cerebral world, of like our left brain perspective. So you know, strategy, logical, that sort of thing. When we’re talking about consciousness and becoming awakened to it. Now we’re starting to see more than what’s in front of us more than just the table in front of us more than the room that we’re able to see in a spiritual realm. And we’re able to hear, feel, see, and sense spirit, right. So it’s all about when we are able to do that, first of all, we want to become aware of it, and we become aware of it. being introduced to it in a lot of ways, some people are introduced to it, you know, by attending a church revival, some people are introduced to it by sitting in a sweat at a sweat lodge, some people are introduced to it by, you know, just surviving, surviving a vehicle accident. There’s a lot of ways that were introduced to it. Some people are born with that psychic intuition. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. And your listeners have heard of people talk, you know, Sylvia Browne, and, you know, those sorts of people that said, they always knew since they were three or four years old, and they were getting messages. My my recollection, didn’t, I didn’t really start feeling that happening for me until my 20s. And I, you know, I talked about that.

Brandon Handley 9:21
Yeah, I think in your story, right. You mentioned though, that you had something occur when you were younger, but you didn’t recognize Yeah, till later in life. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Because, as you’re as you’re talking about the introduction to it, right,

Raine Dalrymple 9:37
yeah. I didn’t go. I didn’t go deeply into a lot of the trauma that I experienced in my life in the book because that wasn’t the object of the book. I do talk about trauma. I do talk about difficult times, but I always want to bring that back around to Okay, yeah, that happen. Shit happens, but how can we fix it? What can we do to Change that what can we do to change those blueprints that happened to us, you know, in those childhood years, or if say, you know, a woman is, you know, raped when she’s, you know, going out to her car in the grocery parking lot or, you know, like we you know, there’s things that happen in life that are not very nice in there pretty ugly. So what happened to me when I was about five, I had a trauma happened to me. And I, I just remember feeling my my soul, lift off my body, kind of like, come forward a bit, a few a couple of inches, and then lift up, out through the top of my head. And I’m sure some of your listeners have heard of people that have died on the operating table, and had that similar type experience. And I just remember I went by slipped through the crack in the, in the ceiling. And when I, when I did that, I was out into the other room. And I could see all around, but I couldn’t hear anything. It was like I was buried in this hole, and I could not hear anything. I’m like, it just there was there was no sound, it was just like dead air. And then I slowly, I don’t know how long I was in that state, you know, kind of floating. And then I went back through the crack and slipped back into my body. And so nothing really, you know, paranormal happened to me for many, many years that I can recall. Until my 20s, I started questioning why I was here, questioning my purpose, trying to understand what is what there’s got to be more to life than this. And as I started opening myself up, right, in that awareness, then I started having a lot of these really strange experiences. And so that’s sometimes how it can happen. A trauma can trigger us to have an experience. And then that then opens up what is often known as the threefold flame, which is within us. So when we say yes, there’s something else out there in that in that big old, universal world, that is all empowering. It’s also within us, and that’s what people that’s why it’s so important for people to read my book, because they’re gonna get it when they read those stories. And they’re, they’re gonna go, oh, okay, whether you’ve had no experiences ever in your lifetime, or you’ve had experiences, there’s going to be something in there for everyone, they’re going to get it and they’re going to go, yeah, I actually have felt that warmth, you know, burning inside of me, or when I lay down to meditate, I can feel that energy, that that flame that’s alive within me. And that’s the connection to, you know, that superconscious. Divine that we know that we call God, most of us.

Brandon Handley 13:10
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. Right. A couple couple questions I have in there. Let’s see, I guess kind of walk it backwards. And, you know, listen, I agree at least that, you know, having felt that warm. Having been in that scenario, that’s a that’s a, just a wonderful connection that you can you can experience them in so many different ways. So if you’re teaching people how to do that through through your coursework, that’s amazing, right. I think that that’s, you know, highly valuable. And we’ll talk about some of the benefits that as we kind of move forward, but what is I’m not familiar with the threefold flame, what is that?

Raine Dalrymple 13:48
That’s a Christ consciousness. experience. So it’s, it’s it’s a it’s an energy source of God. And so it’s the threefold flame of love and light and power in a positive way.

Brandon Handley 14:11
Okay, no, thanks for sharing it. I’d never never heard about it. So I’d like to I like the imagery and kind of the application and again, yeah, together then you’ve kind of got this. This kind of, like, inner sun as it were, right? Exactly.

Raine Dalrymple 14:28
Yes.

Brandon Handley 14:30
So you’ve also made reference to a couple times even before we got going, you know, paranormal experiences. Um, and and it was funny because you said you know, you, you asked me if I’d had some paranormal conversations on here. I guess I had never really put it into that light. Right and thought about it is paranormal. I’m just like, well, this is just one person’s experience. That’s another person’s experience, and I never done the paranormal at it. What would you consider paranormal just so I can Yes, and we can understand that a little bit better.

Raine Dalrymple 15:02
Well, paranormal are experiences that we have that belie logic. So, for example, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had gotten up in the middle of the night to use the washroom. And when I walked out of my door door, the doorframe of the bedroom, the bathroom was over to the left, and I saw something sitting on the top of the stairs to my right. And, you know, you’re half asleep. So you know, you just kind of like, like, looked. And when I did this double take there, on the top of my stairs sat an angel, and I could clearly see and feel that it was a male, on his back was to me, and I could see the wings and the white. And then, you know, as quickly as I looked, he was gone. Right. So it was, definitely, because I was worrying, you know, most mothers that are pregnant at some point in, you know, those nine months, they, you know, they are often concerned, they want to have a healthy baby, and, you know, those sorts of things. And, and I just took that as a very positive sign that he was just letting me know, everything was going to be okay. Right. So that gave me that sense of peace. And that is, is often you know, when angels come to us, that’s their role is to encourage us to bring us that piece to help us to, to not worry to not, you know, having xiety and to trust, right to trust that everything will be okay.

Brandon Handley 16:42
Well, I would like it if an angel or two would show up and bring me a little sense of peace and encouraged. So, you know, it’s funny, like, I guess that’s just because they’re the paranormal. I don’t know, if I ever did or I just, again, to me, it’s just your experience, right? You’re you You’re, you’re open to receiving that, right? So so you’re capable of it, right? If you’re open to it, then you’re capable to see it and receive it. And, and for you, it’s easier to believe, right? Especially as you have had, my guest is more than one of these experiences, as your you know, so you’re, you’re in your 20s, you’ve, you know, you have the introduction to kind of source and these experiences when you’re much younger, and now it’s happening much more often. And you’re in this kind of educational, organizational space, or you’re a professional,

Raine Dalrymple 17:42
right? Actually not yet Nika, because at that time, I was raising my children. So I was I was home with the kids, and I was, you know, doing laundry and making meals and that sort of thing. So I think it was the perfect scenario for source to come to me and all these different ways, you know, visions, I was starting to have visions, just like, you know, I’d lay down to, you know, go to bed at night, and all of a sudden, just visions would start happening to me, and I’d open my eyes, and then I closed them again, same vision would continue to happen until I let it play out. So, you know, it caused me to, you know, question What’s going on? First of all, what, why, why me? Why am I having these, these visions and to try to understand what the message was as well. Right. So, you know, I started charting my dreams to under, you know, better understand what was going on in my life. And, you know, it was really, it was really just, it was a school, essentially, from, you know, the divine was passing on to me to, to go through this. So that I guess, at some point, I could do this book and share it with people.

Brandon Handley 18:52
Right, so I’ll be part of a big part of what we’d like to do here is understand, right? How, just again, in your story, how were you able to incorporate I guess, your your connection to source and spirituality? I guess after you raise your children or got back into the workforce, like, how did you merge the two worlds, right? How did you merge the spiritual world with like, yeah, Hey, I got to show up at work today for this cup of coffee and then type my TPS report.

Raine Dalrymple 19:29
Right, right. Well, what’s interesting about all of that was that wasn’t my goal plan. In the beginning. It wasn’t to, to teach in that way. I was I was brought into that world through opportunities and doors that open for me. So again, you know, that brings us to this place of gratitude because we realize a lot of times things that we do Experience aren’t are doing, they’re there, they’re from, from a higher power that is guiding us and directing us. Now, keep in mind at anytime you can say no to any of it just like you yourself friend and can say, you know, I would really like to have an experience, like, give me something here. And when you ask, eventually you will start to have experiences that might start small, where you say, you know what, you know, if you really do exist up there, source, show me I want to see feathers, I want to see feathers, and lots of them. And you know, there’s a couple of feathers stories are one at least that I shared in the book. And so you know, you might end up you know, waking up in the morning and you making your bed and all of a sudden, all these feathers come flying out of your pillow and you don’t own a down feather pillows. So how in the heck did they get in there. So this is just kind of the fun way that sometimes they, you know, show us these signs, because they really want us to believe they really want us to know that they’re there and to to also ask and to lean on them to help us. So, you know, you can ask, right? I guess it kind of got Oh, okay, so you were asking me, I get off track on these stories. That’s okay.

Brandon Handley 21:15
So the biggest the biggest part, right of a lot of this is, once you’ve had a spiritual experience, it’s really hard as hell to get grounded again. Right. And it’s really hard to go back. Right, right. It’s hard to it’s hard to say, Okay. Yes, I’ll go to work today. Right? And I guess, you know, so how, you know, how were you able to have that experience, and continue to stay in, you know, connected to source and then integrate into? Well, we’ll just call the real world for now.

Raine Dalrymple 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, we’re, we’re, we have this human body, but really, we’re a spiritual being, you know, functioning in the human body. So, you know, you’re going to work and you’re, you know, you’re taking care of youth, or you’re, you’re, you know, when when I was at the time, when it’s, you know, started progressing, and I started incorporating it, I was working with persons with disabilities. So, when you think of it, it was very helpful, in a sense, because it really helped me to interact and relate with the girls much, much easier than if I were functioning out of this real word, man, real world mentality. And then fast forward, you know, down the road, and, you know, working with children, and, you know, they’re just like, they’re just like, everything is amazing to them, right. And they’re just bundles full of love. And then, you know, working in, you know, helping people with life skills. So now you’re incorporating the imagination, you’re incorporating creativity, you’re incorporating all of these wonderful tools and skills that are opening and awakening the people that you’re teaching. So, for me, it felt like it was very easy to incorporate the two, because now you’re living that world, like you’re living in that world, you’re living that life, you’re incorporating the two in your own life, into your own world. And so then it therefore becomes very easy to talk to other people about it, and to share and to help them to see their own value, you know, as a spiritual being. And I don’t mean religion, that’s not what I’m talking about, just as a person that can see possibility in their own lives. Right?

Brandon Handley 23:50
Absolutely. Right. How can we, how can we show someone the greatness that’s within them? Right? And in a sense, I recall, I recall when you first started into this space, right, feeling this way and feeling that everybody has that within them, right? Everybody’s got it. And I recall going to I was at I was at a convention, and I was talking to people I was like, Well, you know, we can talk about what it feels like to step into the greatness of who you are. And man, the looks I was getting, and people were like, What are you talking about? I was like, and as they say, there’s an uncertainty to believe that there’s greatness within you, right? Or what’s or even doing, or there’s an uncertainty to recognize that what you’re doing today right now in this very moment is great. Yes. Right. And so I think it’s very shameful that that we can’t see this for ourselves, right? That’s

Raine Dalrymple 24:55
and it’s amazing that you shared that with those people because I mean, as such If you you look across the world right now, like many people are still asleep, you know, even after this whole year of the madness that’s going on, we are still asleep.

Brandon Handley 25:10
Yeah. So here’s I think, I think here’s what kind of sucks in my mind is that we’re also who were we’re in the midst of like this this quote unquote woke culture thing too. And I think that there’s, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s this like woke culture to, you know, I think racism and schism, right. And then there’s also this woke culture of spirituality wokeness, or awakening. But then there’s also this idea to rain, you know, just kind of bear with me, I so I hate the idea that like, you know, now we say, you know, awakening or something like that it gets kind of tied in, it’s tied into that now we got to disassociate from like, kind of the headlines in the media to just to discern that what we’re talking about here is like a spiritual awakening, or awakening, not even a spiritual awakening, awakening to the greatness of who you are waking up.

Raine Dalrymple 26:03
I really like that. Yeah, right. That’s more accurate

Brandon Handley 26:06
wakening to who you are, and, and, and accepting that. But again, so this is something that you are facilitating, which is awesome, right? This is something you’re facilitating through your book and your courses, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, how you came to, you know, how you came up with the title of your book? And, you know, also, why now, why you thought those types of things right, so, how did you know what, what made you decide that it was time to start writing? And?

Raine Dalrymple 26:41
Well, it’s kind of a funny story, because I actually started the book, probably, oh, probably about nine years ago. And it’s probably To be honest, it was probably more than that. So what happened was bachlin, you know, we first had computers, and they were like, the dinosaur computers. I had been, you know, typing it up on there. And I had given a copy to my Google my Google room, I met one of my mentors. And I said here, you know, like, it was like, maybe a chapter there. And I said, you know, can you give it a read and see what you think of it? And like, not too soon after that my computer crashed, and I lost everything. Right? So I thought, Well, okay, no problem. Like I first I was really upsetting. And I gave him a copy, I’ll give them a call. And I’ll, well, just what he lost it. And I was just like, beside myself, because I thought, What am I going to do now? Like, how am I going to get those words back. So you know, I sat down and kind of tried to recall what I could. And then I had taken on, I had moved to a different province and I had taken on working two jobs for quite a number of years, I did that often on, you know, working two and three jobs. And so I didn’t, I didn’t have time to work on it. So I put it up on the shelf. And then when I did finally pull it out, again, that would have probably been about six years ago, and just kind of jotted some things down. And then really seriously, two years ago, sat down in the winter and just did a whole pile of writing, then picked it up just a little over a year ago. So you know, just before all this madness started happening, I thought, you know what, I’ve got to get this done, something was just pressing me, I’ve got to get this done, I’ve got it, you know, whatever happens, I’ve got to get it done. So I too, have found it very intriguing about the timing, because it’s just so relevant to what’s going on right now. And I think more than anything, you know, you speak to, you know, the reality piece and the spiritual piece. And really, the book is about bridging those two together, you know, because we do need, just like both sides of our brain, we’ve got the logical side and we’ve got the creative side, we need the two to converge to function, you know, in, in a, an optimum fashion, right. So, you know, bringing, bringing those two elements together. And again, it’s it’s like you talk about it’s we are all unique, and each person through these experiences through the growth through the transformation, you know, through understanding what their limitations and their barriers and their blocks are. And the personal development growth that they go through is what is helping them to be to become a much better person happier for themselves and within themselves because a lot of stuff happens in life. We’ve got relationship stuff with family members and exes and you know, jobs you know, job loss and loss of, you know, grief and loss of People in our lives and pets that we’ve lost and all of those things that happen that really pound on our, our soul self, and really cause us to lose that fire inside of us and that hope. And that faith, like on the cover of my book, I say hope where there is no way make away. Right. And that’s what I want people to learn is that, you know, it doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful at everything we tried. But the fact that we’re taking those steps forward, and we’re moving forward in that tenacity, and determination, and perseverance, those are the things that help us to create a much better person, and a much happier person. Because now we can say, you know, you know, I did this, I, I wanted to learn how to play squash or I wanted to learn how to canoe or I wanted to, you know, get on a team and learn how to, you know, and be involved in racing, you know, kayak racing, whatever it is. Just throwing some examples, though, you know, work so, right,

Brandon Handley 31:07
because I think that,

Unknown Speaker 31:10
you know, we leave,

Brandon Handley 31:12
we leave ourselves for too long, and then we get back to ourselves and like, I would love to go do this, but, or, I’d love this, but we get lazy. Yeah. Or we say, All right, I’ll give it a shot. And then, you know, when we find that we’re able to accomplish that thing for me, for example, it was going to do a triathlon. Right? Like, I was like, You know what, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m just gonna, you know, we’re gonna go do a triathlon, and yeah, and rain. I was not an active guy was not right. I was actually I was not an active guys. So it took a little bit of training a little bit of time. And I went, I did it. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 31:53
wow,

Brandon Handley 31:55
you know, pretty good. And I’ll do another one. So I did a couple more. Right. And so having that experience of this thing that I never thought I saw myself doing, and then just getting up and going and doing it. And it wasn’t even hard, per se, right. Like, I mean, right. But I was wore out, don’t get me wrong, but it wasn’t hard. You just it just took going and doing it. Right. And working towards it. And and, and this, I think I think I think that one of the things that’s great is that if you work towards it without like this imminent pressure on yourself to succeed, just to go do it, right, just to go do it. Yeah, is enough.

Raine Dalrymple 32:35
Yeah, you can’t be active in the present moment, right. So you were you made a decision in that present moment. Instead of Couch Surfing for the night, watching another movie for the seventh night in a row, you’re gonna get it on your own, you’re gonna do it,

Brandon Handley 32:49
I binge, my fair share of Netflix, I know, I’m just like everybody else out there. But there are certain things that I’ll get up and I’ll go to just a little bit differently, that gives me a sense of purpose, or a sense of contribution to the larger part of ourselves, like you were talking about, like where our body and our spirit and we need both, I think the one thing that gets the most neglect is our spiritual self, which I want to have to go ahead and assert is the larger part of our being

Raine Dalrymple 33:20
well, and they’re all interconnected. So you take your example. You said when you were done? Yeah, it was it was a little bit of hard work, but it wasn’t like so hard that you couldn’t do it. And you actually felt really good after you, you know, those, you were alive, you felt alive, you were in that present moment, and you showed yourself with determination and commitment, you can do it. So that that really it can feed the ego but in a positive way. Right? It but it fed that that whole aspect of who you were, and you looked at yourself, and you went, Wow, I did that. Right. I actually accomplished it. And it just, it gives us a better sense of who we are, and that we can achieve anything that we set our minds to. It’s just to follow through.

Brandon Handley 34:12
Right, right. Yeah, it’s pretty much just a follow through and just just to go do it. So you know, you’ve got storytelling and some practical thoughts and some other you know, awesome stories inside of sight Beyond Sight. You’re gonna walk people through you, you’re gonna walk the reader through some journeys and some specific stories that will help them kind of come alive and recognize that they too, absolutely have what you’re calling the threefold flame within them, right. And then you you you can get the book and then you also offer a couple different courses, right? You got a couple different programs, and if I’m not mistaken, is it the eight you they Key keys to consciousness consciousness is that going to be the one that kind of directly relates to sight Beyond Sight?

Raine Dalrymple 35:06
to quite a bit, a quite a number of the courses that are offered are all based on the keys to consciousness, because really what we’re talking about is everything that we’re talking about is is, you know, finding, finding who out who we are. Our own uniqueness. Core, for example, is chapter six, I believe five or six, I think it’s five. You know, it talks about, you know, nutrition and, and health and well being even myself, like, I have been so negligent with doing the, the exercise lately, the yoga isn’t happening, you know, nearly as often as it should. So I joined yesterday, actually, you know, a mentor that’s running a program for about 30 of us online. And so now, you know, I’ve got that commitment, right, the commitment to just as you committed to doing the triathlon, about that commitment, now, I’m committed, right, I’ve talked to him, I’m signed up, and now I’m committed. So you know, you know, at the end of two weeks, I mean, I’m going to feel better about myself, I’m going to feel happy that I contributed that time, to my physical well being and, you know, I can incorporate, you know, smoothies, and, you know, so we do as people, we need the interaction, you know, we’re finding that out big time in this last year, that we need that interaction with people, we need to be interactive. So I have many programs actually, that that I run. And if people want to connect with them, all they have to do is go to my website site, be on site.org. And I’ll, you know, I’m just starting to upload those on to there’s a couple on there now, but I’m just starting to upload those onto the website. so that people can, you know, whatever, whatever they need, they can get one on one coaching and support with me. Because truly, we are all so unique, that it’s I really like to I do really like to have like a free discovery session with with everyone that calls or contacts me, you know, via email, because I want to know where they’re coming from and what they need, there’s no sense of me sitting and spilling out a bunch of stuff that, you know, are my suggestions if it’s not going to help them. So what I do is I combine that intuitive piece. So you know, I do do the angel card readings, but I also Intuit I just grabbed it from the, you know, my guides and walk them through, you know, interact with them, to find out what it is they need, you know, some people come to me wanting to understand, you know, their past, they want to understand what they’re going through now. And they also want to understand what can they do going into the future. So that’s also, you know, a piece of that intuition that happens. So it’s just really a lot of like, you know, coaching, support, you know, supporting people in their own walk and in their journey. And, you know, I also, you know, I’ll be doing artwork, you know, creative art, you know, in zoos, and, you know, on lives, and all that kind of stuff, you know, I’m partner partnering with some other people, so that we can kind of give people a variety of services. So it’s, it’s really up to each individual, all they have to do is reach out to me, and then you know, we can take it from there we can we can grow from that point.

Brandon Handley 38:36
Well, that’s awesome. Right? So I mean, you have a lot of different options available for someone. So if I, you know, so my, my pathway to you could be could look like this, where I pick up the book, right? I read the book, and I find that it strikes a chord with me, right? I said, you know, rain, she’s got it nailed down, this is me to a tee, gotten everything, gotten everything just right. And then I’m like, Alright, well, I do want to know more, but I’m not quite ready to commit to a program or anything just yet. So I can come over to your site. And when I’m at your site, I can see over here, you’ve got your eight keys to consciousness, which you’re telling me it sounds like it’s kind of like a foundational course. Right? All the stuff that kind of we’re talking about here. So yeah,

Raine Dalrymple 39:23
like, you know, if some, when someone picks up the book and reads it at the end of each chapter, there’s a practical buoyancy section where there’s three to do tips. So it’s kind of a nice way to for them to segue into you know, taking action. You know, having running a salt bath and putting on some music there, you know, just simple tips. You know, doing a collage, you know, grabbing some scrap paper, you know, magazines around the house and creating a collage. You know, people are welcome to do that on their own right because these are just some practical tips that they can incorporate in Your own personal growth, right?

Brandon Handley 40:02
When was so just I mean, share with me a little bit of why I might want to do you know, a clause. And how’s that gonna? What are some of the benefits I’m gonna get from that?

Raine Dalrymple 40:15
Well, let’s just say, you know, right now a person is not happy in what they’re doing for work, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re not happy going to work every day, they’re really actually quite miserable, they don’t enjoy getting up in the morning, or you have someone who you know, is laid off right now. And they really, they really don’t know what direction to go in. So we know we can go online, you can go and see an employment counselor, and you can do these tests that kind of point you in the right direction. Or maybe you should be going to school for carpentry for the next, you know, number of years. Or maybe you could do this, or maybe you could do that. But there’s also this creative aspect that you can tap into. So you know, you get out a gripping piece of paper, and you grab a bunch of magazines, and and you just start looking through them, you start cutting out pictures that speak to you. And then when you go to put your collage together, you know, you’re gluing pictures, let’s just say, you know, I remember when I did mine, many years ago, I started noticing I was cutting out a lot of fashion, like a lot of women wearing like the big hats and Paris and, and you know, the really nice fashions. And when I got done, I thought wow, you know what, I guess it’s time for me to, to clean out my wardrobe and get rid of some stuff, and start incorporating some of these stylish new outfits into my closet, right. And that gave me a sense of confidence of self confidence. And I felt, you know, happy to get dressed up. And you know, where are the big earrings, you remember those days, the big earrings and, you know, the blue eyeshadow and whatever, whatever it was, but you know, it made me feel good, right. And it’s it helped me to see that we can create our image, we can change our image at any time, we can wear the suit and tie we can wear the hippie pants, we can we can be whoever it is that we choose to be. And we can change that that image. Right? So it’s all about growth. It’s all about that. That internal growth, right. And when you look on this clause, you can see, wow, you know, maybe maybe someone who was interested in carpentry didn’t realize they were but here, they were cutting out all kinds of decks that you could build for the summer and, you know, these like extended rooms on people’s houses. And they’re like, wow, like, I really, I might like, you know, doing something like that maybe I should look into, you know, being an apprentice in carpentry, right? So it just opens our eyes, it opens our eyes to other possibilities.

Brandon Handley 42:58
I like it, right? So it gives you the opportunity to kind of step away from the business of life. Kind of just open yourself up to anything really like if you as long as you’ve got like a collection of magazines, you just kind of you fan through it and pick out kind of whatever is stimulating you, right? And then and then you can kind of see down there we can call it like divine guidance if we want or just call it like a almost like a Ouija board except for like what you’re calling forth. It’s just like, what’s what’s piquing my interest these days where, you know, where should I be spending more of my attention, and then you you kind of see this picture unfold in front of you. And you could, you know, almost take a look at that as a divination tool, right?

Raine Dalrymple 43:50
Yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:51
So So, ya know, it’s interesting, if

Raine Dalrymple 43:52
you don’t have a bunch of magazines around, you can, you know, because we’re also tech savvy, you know, to a point, you can go online and you can just start pulling pictures, you know, off, you know, pixels and, and that kind of gives you an indication as well, you know, create a collage on your on your computer, right. So there’s a lot of different ways we can do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:13
I love that. So there’s a couple nice examples where somebody could actually just kind of go out there and do that today if they wanted to. So I love being able to share that. Another one that you’ve got another one of your courses here is the business business savvy empath. You know, talk to us a little bit about that because I think that, you know, that’s that’s a place where you know, a lot of people are in business, right. But not everyone in business is a you know, has empathy and or vice versa. The empath may be like, well, I don’t want to be in a business setting because they’re all gonna they’re gonna they’re gonna harsh my mellow. Right, right.

Raine Dalrymple 44:47
Well, the business of empath is just about how can I hack? How can I hack my imagination and my spirit connection, to better understand how I can run my business in a productive way. You know, it’s, it’s not only a logical, but it’s a creative again, those two, two facets coming together to help a person understand, you know, back in the day, you know, they talked about you know, when you’re climbing the corporate ladder, you know, in the, you know, there’s a lot of, you know, mean stuff that goes on when when that sort of things happens, you know, you’re stepping on people’s toes and that sort of thing. And when we, when we tap into, and when we’re showing how to tap into our own unique nature of consciousness, we realize there’s room for everybody, there’s room for everybody to be successful, whether it’s in, you know, a corporate company, or whether we’re running our own business. And, you know, it may get to a point where you are in the corporate world, which many people have been, and they’ve left that corporate world to branch off and run their own business. And so it’s just really tools and techniques of a spiritual nature as well as the logical nature that we look at, on how can we tap into what can best guide us to being successful? You know, in our, in our, in our genre of what we’re doing? Do we have blocks there? Do we have money blocks? Do we have? Are we do we have a fear of success, right? versus the fear of fear of failure. So all of those things play play into that, right? And just helping a person to, to personally develop themselves, which obviously affects our business world, right? Because, you know, it’s about walking, walking the talk, right? So whatever we’re doing in our personal world, you know, for sleeping until noon, and, and that’s okay, if that’s your schedule, some people are just not morning people, and they want to sleep until noon. And then they’re up till midnight, running their business, because of the nature of it. So it’s also coming to understand what is my schedule? What do you know? What, what is conducive for me? You know, so that’s just a practical way of looking at it. Right? And, and just also saying, Okay, well, if I want to, you know, I want to get up at six or 7am and beat beat the mad rush, and I want to get out knock on business doors, than I have to get up. You don’t have to get up at seven. So there’s, it’s just a lot of, basically, that course, is converging the two together to help it work for you.

Brandon Handley 47:43
think that that’s a that’s a great one right? For especially, especially new, as we talked about earlier is, you know, once you once you kind of hit that spiritual high, it’s really hard to come back down, right, and then you know, so sounds to me, like this would be something that would help somebody that’s had a spiritual high as like, Alright, let’s get to you know, reintegrated. Let’s take some of what you’re learning here of what you’re feeling and help you to integrate that into your, your daily work life. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s huge. Because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of that out there. So thank you for you know, being any one of the people that’s trying to, to get people to recognize that in themselves

Raine Dalrymple 48:29
for that pass. Yeah, help

Unknown Speaker 48:32
them to clean it up.

Raine Dalrymple 48:33
I mean, we know that we know it’s changing, you know, we know that the dynamics of work are changing. And the numbers of people working online has massively increased, and it will continue to grow. So, you know, some people don’t even know what they want to do yet. So you know, connecting with me and us just, you know, hashing over things and, you know, doing some strategizing and incorporating that intuition that can help to lead them into and onto a path that would be productive and satisfying for them to experience fulfilling right are all looking for fulfillment

Brandon Handley 49:17
that’s the gist of all this right the gist of the podcast is that and of itself, right? How do you again take your you know, your spiritual self or integrated spirituality, material, you know, all of it for a more fulfilling life? Right? And that’s, you know, so that sounds like what your sounds like what you’re sharing out there as well and trying to get you know, people woken to the you know, again, waking to the the greatness that they have within or at least to

Raine Dalrymple 49:49
be aware of it at least,

Brandon Handley 49:51
you know, recognizing the the light within the passion within the whatever, you know, whatever gets you up. Yeah, right.

Raine Dalrymple 49:59
Ever is gonna ignite All

Brandon Handley 50:00
right, ignite you and then you know, kind of kind of continue to fan that flame in, I would imagine a controlled way, right? In a way that says, Let’s, let’s direct us towards a positive outcome, and a good way for you to go forward, right? Because I think that we see a lot of that too. Where again, you get so high, you never come back down, right. And you know, you’re not able to apply that, bring it back down and share it with the rest of world and it gets kind of lost in the ether. Right? So thank you for THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, writing the book, thank you for creating these courses. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, say to share, you know, what it is that you’re creating and bringing into the world today? Where, where should I send people to connect with you Ray?

Raine Dalrymple 50:48
Well, obviously, they can go to the website sight beyond sight.org, they can email me at sight Beyond Sight 222, at gmail.com, they can also give me a call or shoot me a text at 306-980-7758. Any of those, any of those ways that they want to reach out is fine. I do have some books left not many now from the pre sale package I bought, and I’ll be ordering more of the books so they can get the book directly through me. So all they have to do is message me and I can get it out to them right away. And they can also find it through freeze and press the freeze and press bookstore. And also through Amazon. My understanding Amazon has the price marked up a bit. But $8 I think so whatever, you know, whatever way that they, you know, see fit to, to order it, they can also get the E book through me directly. And if they do decide to sign up for, you know, the membership packages that I have the monthly membership packages, which are basically a $120 package for 4997. They can get the book free. I’ve done a lot of incentives out there.

Brandon Handley 52:05
Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like you’ve got a lot to offer. And, you know, for anybody that’s listening in today. Listen, I think that you know, Ryan’s got some really great materials out there that are really going to help you to open up to yourself and then also be able to apply it to wherever it is that you’re guided to.

Raine Dalrymple 52:25
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed it.

Brandon Handley 52:28
Absolutely. Happy to have you on all right.

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Mikal Shumate grew up in a blue-collar family, served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, and worked in the construction industry for over 45 years before retiring. He holds a certification in interpersonal and trans-person counseling, and is an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer. A lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness lead Mikal to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now pass on to others within the pages of “Blue-Collar Enlightenment”

Connect with Mikal at LoveLightConsciousness.com !

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope this is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Michael Shumate, who grew up in a blue collar family and served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War. He’s also worked in the conduct construction industry for over 45 years before he retired. He holds a certification and interpersonal and transpersonal counseling and as an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer, after a lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness, he was led to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now passes on to others within his new book, blue collar enlightenment, Michael, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Mikal Shumate 0:51
Thank you. I’m doing well.

Brandon Handley 0:54
Fantastic. Awesome. So I’d love to start these off with the idea that you and I are basically, you know, we’re conduits for source energy, right? And, and we, you know, something’s flowing through us, you and I, today through this podcast is hitting somebody’s ears, or maybe a video depending on what they watch the video, but there’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 1:26
That

Mikal Shumate 1:28
it is possible to live life in a peaceful and happy state of consciousness where you’re not stressed, and you can achieve anything you really want to achieve.

Brandon Handley 1:51
So I think that’s a I think that’s a powerful message. Right? And, and, you know, you build out this system for it. But even before we kind of get there, let’s go, you know, what are some of the, you know, the, I’d be curious about what is even a spiritualist minister, right, and just kind of let’s talk a little bit about your path and how you got to where you are today. So in in regards to even being the spiritualist minister, what would you tell me that is, and what’s that mean?

Mikal Shumate 2:19
Well, early, early in my life, I had a number of experiences they had to do with people that I knew or people that I met. The most profound was a woman named Nancy Cappy who actually, at the time that I met her, I was a young man in my late teens, and she worked with my mother at the time in are in the same company, and they knew each other, so they and we also had a group of friends and things like that for the family. And so she was part of that network. And she did what are called reads. Okay, well, readings, you know, in most terms are, are seen as being psychic readings, she was psychic, but with a very definitive methodology. And her her method was Auric reading. So she would read the energy fields around your body. And she, I mean, she was she was one of these people that was born that way. You know, and she just, she just over her lifetime learned until she got to the point where that’s all she did was, was her work by reading orders. And she, she had a profound effect upon me. I came home I was in, just joined the Navy. I came home on leave. And our neighbor, Latasha comes by and says, You got to go down and see Nancy. So why would you know, she’s doing readings down here and was in San Diego. She’s down here at the waterfront, and you need to get out and see her. Well, okay. Don’t What else you got to do, you know? So I found a hotel room down on the waterfront where she had rented a room it was giving readings. And I walked in and she looked up and saw me and she just kind of stared at me for a minute. And then she finished what she was talking about. And then she says, may I come to you? I had no idea what she was talking about at the time. So she said, Yeah, okay. And so she, she told me things about myself. And two profound things stuck with me out of that. One of those was that I needed to learn how to separate my work life. from my home life. A lot of people bring their work home with them. And she told me, it would be very important for me to separate that. Which I learned to do. And in fact I do, I learned it so well that I would tell myself as soon as I get home, I need to call so and so and I wouldn’t remember until the next morning. So it’s, you know, so that separation was important. And then she also then exposed me to the idea that there was something else beyond what I had learned in my life. That all fell into the category of spirituality. In spiritualism itself, to answer your question is the study of psychic phenomena, the study of energetics that are beyond our normal, day to day process. And what it did for me was, it inspired me to, to wonder about and seek to, to refine and define and understand what consciousness is. So I had like, two, two operations going on in my life, I had my, my, my work, business, all that sort of thing. And then on the other side of it, I had my quest to learn about spirituality and consciousness. And, and then, of course, that evolved over the process of time. And we’re talking about, you know, a 50, year 5050 plus year process, actually, over 60 years, almost 60 years process, to try to figure out, you know, who I am and what I am and who we are, and what we are, and that sort of thing, in my book is the culmination of that process up to the point I wrote a book, because consciousness and awareness is not something that you just reach it reach an endpoint, and that’s it. No, it’s not like, it’s not like, okay, your body has

reached its limit, and you drop the body and whatever happens after that, right. So it’s not like it’s not terminal. Yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 7:26
I get that for sure. Sure. Just to jump in real quick. You know, we’re already got a little bit to unpack there, Michael. So before we, before we get too far along there, right. I love what you’re saying there in terms of, you know, there is, I mean, there may seem to be points where there’s a plateau, but it’s still ongoing, right? Even if it levels off, it’s still expanding that that consciousness that you’re talking about, right? Yes. And my

Mikal Shumate 7:49
experience is that we, that it’s like a ladder, you you expand, you reach a point, and you stabilize it, that area, you in my experience, I would like have what they would call a colic cathartic experience of reaching a plateau. And then that experience then becomes normal. And it’s like, okay, at that time, you know, it’s like, You’re full of Listen, you’re full of joy, and it’s just this wonderful thing. And then, and then that just kind of becomes ordinary. And then as you grow, then you step up again, and it’s just a continuous process of that. Enlightenment is not a endpoint, it is a actually a beginning point of the understanding of the totality of your consciousness.

Brandon Handley 8:42
Can I tell you how frustrated I was with that one, right? Because, you know, as I as I look back on my experience, right, kind of mine was kind of a sudden, sudden thing, right? Kind of, like, I would liken it to a discarded seed that just goes ahead and sprouts anyways. Right? And and really, there was no stopping it. So you just kind of like, Oh, well, great. This is amazing. And then it’s taken me personally about three years to kind of understand what’s going on, try to verbalize it and really develop it. It’s like, just like literally like being reborn, right? There’s this whole there’s a whole new language that I don’t understand, or I understand but I’m looking for the language to to encompass the experience. Right. So when you know when so you’ve got this you got this lady, right? What What is it that makes you even believe her right at that time, because she’s telling us some things. I’m gonna you know, your your your your, you know, late, late to your late teens or early 20s I’m guessing and what makes you believe her that what she’s telling you is something that’s even worth pursuing.

Mikal Shumate 9:55
Well, my attitude is I am I am a A dyed in the wool skeptic. So you can, I will listen to whatever you have to say. And then I will look into the world and see if that’s valid for me or not. And so what what happened with me was, you know, a number of things that she talked about kind of resonated. And okay, well, let’s, let’s just see what this is. And actually what happened was, after I, after I got out of the Navy, I went into college. And after going to college, I came back to my hometown of Encinitas, California. And there was a place there called the chapel of awareness that I happen to just walk by one day and see Oh, no, and, you know, it’s like, you know, your your, if you allow yourself to be spirit will drive you to wherever it is that you need to be. So,

Brandon Handley 11:03
agreed with that real quick there. You know, what, what would you say specifically resonated with with you? I know, it’s been a while, right. But you said a few things she’d said resonated. And I’m just curious what those resignation points were?

Unknown Speaker 11:16
Well,

Mikal Shumate 11:20
gee, it’s, I mean, you’re talking.

Brandon Handley 11:23
As I say, look, if you can’t remember, if it’s I get it, but you know, that was this kind of the question that popped up in my mind, you know, what are these? What are some of the sticking points?

Mikal Shumate 11:31
Yeah, I think, you know, the, the, looking at that process, because that was just a step. You don’t know, it’s just one step in a whole lifetime of steps. But I did, I did study spiritual ism, which is that study of psychic phenomena and, and contact with just disconnected, you know, disembodied souls and that sort of thing. And a lot of other things, which is a very primal level kind of experience, you don’t have to be highly spiritually evolved, to be able to connect into that frequency of energy, you just have to have that resonance in you, that resonates with you know, whatever it is that you’re you’re trying to connect with. Like that. For me, for me, it’s a very, was a very primal level kind of thing. And there’s a whole lot more stuff, the increases with frequency as your

Brandon Handley 12:38
frequency goes up. And I think that i think that’s interesting, too. Even going back to kind of, you know, the, the kind of awakening experience, right, where the awakening or the initial enlightenment isn’t, isn’t the end point, right? That’s, it’s kind of ongoing, whereas even Alright, well, hey, here it is, I’ve awakened, not only have I awakened, now, I feel this the source energy flowing through me right now. Now, what I’m hearing you say, is that you don’t even have to be like that elevated or, you know, you don’t have to be that deep end to be able to do that right to connect with sources that what you’re saying, like, you know,

Mikal Shumate 13:18
we’re not talking about connecting with source we’re talking about connecting with, with the spiritual entities.

Brandon Handley 13:24
Okay. would you would you define things?

Mikal Shumate 13:28
Well, the requirement, as I’ve come to learn, okay, the requirement is that you need to resonate at the same frequency, it is true, all the way up the scale, you want to resonate with your higher self, you have to bring your vibration, so to speak, you know, that’s the term that was used when I was a kid, you know, you got to raise your vibration,

Brandon Handley 13:50
it’s back Michael, just say no, it’s it’s all it’s all coming back, right. It’s a cycle a cycle of things.

Mikal Shumate 13:58
So so it’s like, you know, the higher you raise your vibration that gives you the ability to connect out to other intelligence at that vibration, because we are in we are in we have been divided there. There. There has been definition stated that we have that we have dimensions of existence, like the third dimension is the primal dimension of existence on Earth, right. Raising that vibration of Earth up to the fourth fifth dimension is now what what’s being called, you know, the evolution of humanity. A lot of things come together as you gather pieces of the puzzle. And so what happened for me was I spent pretty much my lifetime gathering pieces of the puzzle. And about three years ago, three, four years ago, it all kind of coalesced and children came together and I had a much clearer Understanding of a much larger picture. And that’s really where where my book takes people is how to get yourself into that state of being. So that you can, as you say, connect with source, because ultimately, everyone is connected to source,

Brandon Handley 15:23
for sure, for sure, for sure, right? It’s not that you’re not connected to source, it’s your ability to recognize your connection with source or your awareness or, you know, kind of, you know, listen, so my mom, I was born in late 70s. My mom, you know, in San Francisco, right? So I’ve got a little bit of background in tuned in what does it tuned in turned on or whatever? Tune into now, whatever you tune in, drop out, whatever, you know, so there it is, right. There it is. Right. So the language right there, you know, is it right? It’s already kind of in existence, kind of like there’s already like a radio tower out there. All we got to do is dial into it. Right. And, and just recognize it. And and I think you would you say that you’ve got to want it, which you’ve got to say that you’ve got to be willing to receive it, that type of thing?

Mikal Shumate 16:15
Well, I yes, I think I think there are exceptions to people that with people that actually came in to, specifically to do that kind of connection. But for most people, you you meet, you need to be drawn into the what I would call it spiritual curiosity. Okay, so if you’re, if you’re, if you’re, if you wonder, what is this? And you know, I mean, I would think that a majority of people wonder about, you know, why they’re here on this planet at this time, and what their purpose in life is, and, and such like that, you know, the big existential questions that people have, but I think that the basis of all evolution is spiritual curiosity, that you want, you have a, you have an innate internal sense that there is something else and you want to find out what that something else is. And it can be drawn, you know, depending on your state of evolution, it can be drawn into a religious movement, you can be drawn into, you know, higher consciousness type movements, you can be drawn into meditation, you can be drawn into all kinds of things. I mean, there’s 7 billion people on the planet, and there’s 7 billion ways in which we can access this information. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 17:44
100%. And that’s why like, I was definitely catching, catching your language saying, Hey, this is what you know, in my experience, this is what’s been valid for me. Right, I’m hearing you say that. But what I think is also interesting, too, is that, you know, so here you are, you’re, you know, you’re in the military, how long were you in the military? And, and kind of what was your experience while you were seeking through that we sharing your experiences of seeking through that? Or was that kind of a solo experience for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 18:14
I was in the military for three years, nine months at 26 days. Counting, right, so I did a minority term where I enlisted when I was 17. And I got out on my 21st birthday. So

Unknown Speaker 18:31
it was

Mikal Shumate 18:34
it was a process of working out. Or at least at least, the beginning of working out things from my childhood, in the military. It provided it provided a structure for me. It provided discipline,

Unknown Speaker 18:59
and

Mikal Shumate 19:02
gave me a chance to discover what I was capable of doing as a person. And that I was capable of going through this training and such like that. But more More importantly, what it was it was a mechanism for, for my future. In the fact that at the time, they had the GI Bill, well, they still have gi Yu GI Bill, but at the time. The GI Bill was very generous. And when I got out of the Navy, after about two years of, you know, flopping around and in society, I thought, you know, I want to I want to get an education, you know, I’d be the first person in my family to get a college education. And so the GI Bill help you do that. And, of course, when you go to college, what happens there is it’s not about necessarily the subject matter. It’s about the exposure to all the different things That at that time was probably the best way to broaden your horizons to expand your perspective on the world. Nowadays with the internet, it’s a whole different story, because there’s so much information available on the internet that you have a world education, you know, just by sitting in your, in your home, you know, but for me at that time, that was a, it was a mechanism that took me in to set me up for how I was going to operate in the business world and make a living and that sort of thing, at the same time, giving me opportunities, because where I went to school was up in the Monterey Peninsula for two years, and then up in Sonoma State University, for another three years. It gave me an opportunity to be exposed to a lot of different things, culturally different people, and become aware of other types of spiritual movements. It was a time of the Maharishi doing his thing. So I got exposed to that I got exposed to people that were interested in different spiritual paths, different gurus and things like that, because it was a lot of influence from the east coming in, at the time. So in that in those five, six years that I was hanging around in that environment, I got exposed to a lot of different philosophies, a lot of different perspectives and things like that. And each one of those things, gave me a piece of the puzzle.

Brandon Handley 21:38
Sure, sure. And that’s pretty cool. How you’re the first you like that you’re the first new college, college graduate, right? And in your family taking kind of advantage of that mechanism for a future, let’s talk about, like, how you’re talking about the idea of, you know, going in getting that education, but the education, you know, and, you know, like, you keep saying, you know, in my experience, right, and my experience, you know, going back to school, after you’ve had some world experience makes that education a little bit, a little bit more applicable, right. If you just go from if you just go from school to school, you’re just continuously learning, you don’t have some real world application. So what you’re sharing is that you were able to go, you know, finish up school, go to the military, you know, like you said, flop around a little bit. And then when you went back to school, you were able to kind of learn some things that you could actually apply to the real world. Is that how I’m picking that up? Yeah. And then it’s pretty neat. Like how you were exposed to all these different types of new philosophies or philosophies. I think that during during the time that you were growing up in that period where we’re new to the United States, right? Yes. What was your What was your personal background prior to even jumping into these these Eastern philosophies? Were you a Christian?

Mikal Shumate 23:04
Yeah, we was Catholic. I’m the old guy. So I’m the oldest of nine children. Guess what, guess what religion? We were. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 23:16
Right. That’s fair. So it wasn’t Mormon. Yes. Were you? Did you know? Did you break away from that faith while you’re studying all these others, to go off on your own and figure it out yourself?

Mikal Shumate 23:28
Actually, I broke away from from Catholicism when I was about seven years old. that I had, I had an experience that kind of made me stop and think and look, it’s like, you know, this has always been part of my character to, you know, wonder about things. So, one Sunday, we were getting ready to leave for church. And I think we were there was like, four or five children in the family at that time. And I just put on Sunday clothes, all the good clothes and all that sort of thing. And I and I would walk it outside. I was I’m six foot five now, which is shrunk from six foot six. And I was so I was a tall, gangly, uncoordinated kid. And I stumbled on the way out, stepping down the porch, and skinned my knee. And I tore my pants. And my father just got furious with me about it. And I couldn’t understand why he was so mad about it. No, it wasn’t that I tore my new clothes and things. He says, We can’t go to church with you looking like that. And I thought, why not? Because why does Why does God care what I look like? And that just started me looking seriously at Catholicism and things. You know, and religions in general, over over my lifetime to see what it is that you know, that was that made sense of what didn’t make sense. And so that was that was that was the initial point right there that was early in my life.

Brandon Handley 25:16
Yeah, I mean, that’s definitely young to be breaking away from your own kind of foundations right or even your family structure. So that’s pretty cool. Let’s, um, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, the idea that you’ve got this mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, right, let’s talk a little bit about maybe what we can find inside of the book, blue collar, enlightenment.

Mikal Shumate 25:36
Okay, well, the, the, the essential point is that the, there’s a, there’s a whole process that I go through in the book to get to this point, but the essential point is, is that the, the best state of being is to be present. Totally present for the experience of your life. And what keeps us from being present is our memories, which are, which we indulge in the thoughts of our past, actions and, and, and things like that. And that’s most its most destructive and most seriously understood. If you think about times, when things that happen to you, and it just rolls around in your head and rolls around and just won’t let go will leave you alone, it just, you’re just stuck back there at that moment in time. Well, the past is the past, it’s gone, there’s nothing you can do to change it, you can reiterate yourself experience within your mind as long as you want, it’s not going to change anything in the future hasn’t happened yet. So that’s it, that’s a you know, the reality is, is that we live our life, in moments by moments by moments. And so if we can be present for the moment, then what happens is everything changes because at that point, we are connected to our core self. And we are able to be guided to that thing, which is the most appropriate for us to be

Brandon Handley 27:31
what would you say some of the mechanisms are specifically to stay president way? How do you how do you break out of, of, you know, living in the past or in the future and bringing yourself to be fully present?

Mikal Shumate 27:44
Well, it is a it is a actually a very simple thing that is hard to do. That’s what I find about the truth about most things is they’re very simple. It’s just that they seem to be hard to do. So what I was, you know, I I trained in for about 10 years in India, learning different kinds of meditations and processes and things like that. And one of the most influential people on that kind of brought me to the Enlightenment moment was a couple of people called, well, it started out with oneness universities, where I studied with Sri Bhagwan Shri Rama were the founders of that his son tree mine stopped.

Unknown Speaker 28:45
You can just go with a son,

Mikal Shumate 28:47
he and his wife prekmurje have taken over the, you know, the university and combine their operations to into what’s called

Unknown Speaker 29:06
one one world Academy.

Mikal Shumate 29:12
It doesn’t make any difference. What what he what he showed me was that there are only two states of being that you can possibly be in. You’re either in, you’re in a state of being happy or you’re in a state of being stressed. So, understanding that what isn’t if you take a look at what is it you can do for yourself to resolve stress in your life. The most effective thing that you can do is calm the mind. And how you learn to calm the mind. The best way that I know is to learn how to be silent, which is is what is what we call it meditation. Okay, so if you if you Put yourself in a position where you can be called, where you can slow your process down. And your awareness can watch the mind, then what happens when you start watching the mind is it starts, it doesn’t like to be watched. So it will stop chitter chattering, in this stopping chitter chatter will happen a little bit at a time. And as you persist in the process, it becomes more and more and more until you can sit and be in silence. In in when you’re sitting in Venus as your total awareness and experience of what of what is there for you. And that’s, that’s how you get to that point. After that, it’s, you know, there’s all kinds of things that can happen for you, who become aware of, in fact, you know, science is actually catching up with spirituality now. They’re, they’re aware that everything in the universe is connected. Well, all of us are connected to each other. What I do affects you, what you do affects me on some, at some degree in some level. And so when we’re able to be in that space of silence, we’re able to be in a place of total connectivity. And therefore we have access to the field of consciousness, which then can out of which we can then create whatever it is that we want. The reality is, is that we’re doing that all the time. We just don’t know that. That’s the we’re creating our life. We’re, you know, as they say, we’re co creators of the experience.

Brandon Handley 31:51
Yeah. 100%. I think that were, I love that you got the opportunity to spend, you know, 10 years in India, right. Do you think I mean, just out of curiosity, do you think that your experience is still possible for somebody else today? To go back? Well,

Mikal Shumate 32:06
it wasn’t 10 continuous years, it was over a period of 10 years. Okay, gotcha,

Brandon Handley 32:11
gotcha. Well, I mean, even

Mikal Shumate 32:15
the most time I spent there was like about six weeks. Okay. Is it possible? Absolutely. Okay. You know, it given the current pandemic condition, we have to get through that. And then once we travel again, right, yes. All those things in India are still there, right? If you feel drawn to that,

Brandon Handley 32:36
right. 100% 100% I mean, you’re you’re out there. I think Monterey is got some places out there. I was just out there in LA not too long ago, where they’ve got the Self Realization Foundation, right. Yogananda

Mikal Shumate 32:51
fellowship,

Brandon Handley 32:52
fellowship. That’s,

Mikal Shumate 32:53
that’s in Encinitas. That’s where I used to live.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Yes. I mean, you’re right down. Did you did you did you spend some time there? So, okay, I mean, yeah. Okay.

Mikal Shumate 33:02
Most, most the time it was my biggest exposure was when I was young, you know, and we actually we, it’s, it’s actually, there’s a state park there called Swamis beach. And that’s, that that’s because the locals used to call the place to Swamis place, you know? Who was there? Yeah. pazza Yogananda was a great influence on me very early in my life. Okay, his

Brandon Handley 33:31
book, right? I actually just ordered it. I’ve never read it. And I said, Fine. You know, I’ll go ahead and read it. Yeah, it’s, um, I don’t know if you know this, but Steve Jobs actually handed out that book on his deathbed. So what was the Yeah, Steve Jobs died. He gave everybody in attendance, a copy of that book?

Mikal Shumate 33:49
Yeah. So I thought that was it. There’s a lot of there’s a lot to be learned from that. That’s one of the one of the things that I read when I was younger, right.

Brandon Handley 34:02
You talked about, you know, just jumping back a little bit in the in being in the military, and processing, like kind of some childhood stuff. Was there anything like in there? What would you say you had the process? to kind of get through that, how did you do it?

Unknown Speaker 34:22
Well,

Mikal Shumate 34:32
this is a lot of things. Probably just, it just, it just gave me an opportunity to grow up, you know, to to transition out of childhood behaviors into a more disciplined adult behavior. At the same time, I recognized after a couple of years, that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this. So I knew that Did you know that this was just a one time thing, it really was an opportunity for me to get away from home. My father was very abusive. When, when I got big enough that I could square off against them, he stopped being physically abusive to me, and just mentally abusive to me. And actually, it was so, so intense that I actually left home. When I was 16 years old, I left home. And but, you know, after a few months, out there on your own living at friends, homes, and that sort of thing, you know, it’s like, oh, what are you gonna do with your life? Boy? Well, that’s what I say, Well, you know, I could join the Navy.

Brandon Handley 35:49
Nice, nice. Well, look, I mean, you got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good for you to kind of kind of get out of there and away from that, right, split off from there. And I’m sure that that has a lot to do with what you needed to process kind of going counter that. And even kind of going forward, right? That’s not the type of thing that just that just falls away super easily. So thanks for Thanks for answering that one. You know, you talk about the calming the mind silent meditation. And I’m just trying to imagine you out there working in the construction industry, pausing in the middle of the day, taking some deep breaths and saying no mistake or something like that. How did that how, how were you able to, you know, weave this into practical application on the job and that sort of thing. Just curious how it shows up there for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 36:36
it’s not like it was a continuous day to day process for most of my life. Once, once you achieve the ability to do this, then it’s fairly easy to exist in that state. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have thoughts that the, the achievable goal is, like 70 to 80% of the time, you’re in this state of presence, not 100% of the time, if I was there, 100% of the time, I probably would have no reason to stay here. You know, if I drop the body and go do something else. Yeah. Right. But so it’s not like it’s all the time and it we’re talking about a process here for me, that has spanned a period of Firstly, 60 years. Michael, would

Brandon Handley 37:40
you say there’s any way to accelerate that,

Mikal Shumate 37:42
I would say that now is the time to accelerate that, that that it is the energy and everything is changed the dynamic, the the the the push for ascension into higher dimensions and things like that, have brought in an opportunity for people to, to make these transformations in their life, and do it in a very short period of time.

Brandon Handley 38:10
What would you say? There’s evidence of that, right? Where, where? Where would somebody See that? I guess, what’s the basis of that statement for you?

Mikal Shumate 38:18
Well, it has to do with all the people I’m in contact with, and the things that I am continuously studying. But also from, from my experience, because it didn’t all come together for me until, you know, 20 2017 2018 that’s when I had my transformational experience. And, and discovered what this actually feels like. I mean, you know, this is really, we’re talking about, we’re talking about the mechanism for, for experience on this planet is feeling. So, you know, you pay attention to your feelings and how you feel how you how your body feels, how your attitude is, and you can accelerate this process now. And the only way that you’re going to know how long that’s going to take is to start doing it. But I’m, I’m very confident in in my observation of my environment and my experiences out in the world these days. shows me that yes, it’s possible to make these transformations and make it you don’t need to spend

Unknown Speaker 39:43
years in India

Mikal Shumate 39:44
a lifetime or you don’t need to spend lifetimes doing

Brandon Handley 39:47
this. Sure. Sure. You got a couple things in there that that are intriguing to me, right. One is that you’re an older male, right? And and, you know, born born and raised Western civilization, a different generation. And it’s this idea of males dealing and with their feelings, right? How did you kind of come about that spot yourself to say, holy shit, I gotta I gotta pay attention to my feelings. Right? This is, this is this is the key. And then you know, so finding that key. So it’s like you find the key, and you’re looking for a lock, right? You’re like, you’re like, holy shit, here it is, the feeling is the key. What does this unlock and sounds like that, that unlocks this kind of an ongoing, enlightening experience, but just I just want to hear how you were able to get there and especially share it out with the males out there? Well,

Mikal Shumate 40:45
I have to say, first of all, I have been very emotionally aware, from very early in life. A lot of emotion was not very positive emotion. But it, it my awareness of how it affects my body and such like that. I’ve been aware of that for a long time, I consider myself to be very male, female, balanced. It’s, I’m unusual for males. Most, most, most people are one way or the other. But I think that simply the process of being aware of what’s there and acknowledging the truth of what’s there is what transforms your ability to have, you know, a total experience.

Brandon Handley 41:55
Agreed, right, agreed 100%. But again, you know, it’s, I guess, how did you be? What do you have a point in your life where you feel like you were always kind of emotionally aware and how it was impacting your body? Your daily life? Isn’t a pinpoint for that, right? Because, again, this is something that I see over and over, especially in the western male civilization, right? Not understanding what emotions that they’re feeling to begin with, right, nor understanding, you know, kind of the impact on the body, right? The, you know, if we look at alchemy, right, we are walking chemical creation factories, right, and what we feel, creates those chemicals that impact our body that impact, you know, our magnetic field and resonance, right, and on and on and on. So my question to you again, is, was there a point where you said, This, is it right, or you began to recognize those feelings and emotions and the impact that they were having? Or is it just always innate for you? And that’s, that’s

Mikal Shumate 43:03
its primary, it’s primarily an eight. And there was a point where I recognize the impact of emotions on the body. And interestingly enough, it was when I was in college. It is one experience of many that stands out for me. I had been in a relationship and then had the gone through a relationship breakup. And it really hit my sore plexus. To the point where I had gut pain, like, I just couldn’t understand why, you know, it was just, the emotion was so intense. And interestingly enough, the solution was hugging a tree. Somebody told me, you know, yeah, tell me. Tell me, the trees, trees will help you release this emotion. So I said, Okay, fine. I, you know, I’ve had enough of this. And I found a nice, I think it was a nice redwood tree or something like that big

Brandon Handley 44:17
tree,

Mikal Shumate 44:18
and just grabbed the whole thing and then held on for an hour or so. And it actually worked.

Brandon Handley 44:25
Wow. Well, you know, I’ve definitely seen that type of thing. I’ve got a bunch of trees in my backyard. I’m like, I kind of want to go try it out myself. But I want to do it in private, right, like, Okay, this tree and I have a moment, please. So, I enjoy that. And I also just, I see a sea kind of, and I’m familiar with this type of someone’s this, this this gut punch right? Where your your feelings are just all centered right there. And just for that one moment, you’re kind of your hidden pain, right? That solar plexus, right? Yes, and there’s just there’s nothing but that moment which, in honesty, you know, if you, you know, if I reflect back on I’m like, there’s a moment where I was truly present to myself right truly present to what was happening within me. At that time, I wouldn’t have addressed it. In the same way, I would have just addressed it as this sucks. But at the same time, that’s what I was present for was just that feeling emotion and listening to my body. Right, and just kind of coming, you know, surrendering to that moment? space. So how can you use good ideas? If you’re going through this type of thing? Michael, just I mean, another one, if you said there was a keystone to your entire program, you know, sounds like sounds a little bit like, you know, calling the mind awareness be present? Are there any other key stones or just really revelatory moments? What do you do even recall? Like, when you recognize the whole puzzle had kind of come together for you? You know, you’re talking 2017 18 you’re like, Eureka.

Mikal Shumate 46:07
Well, yes, there, there was a thing I was. I was studying at the One World Academy. And, and they were taking us through a process. And that process was called

Unknown Speaker 46:31
the

Mikal Shumate 46:40
minds, the mind slips. Oh, mercy. Google, will be

Brandon Handley 46:55
able to edit that out. And yeah, just a space. But there’s a process that you were going through, you don’t remember a specific process? And that’s all right, can you talk a little bit about like, what happened during the process, and then maybe, what the well actually what

Mikal Shumate 47:09
happens, what happens in the process is they they take you through a meditation where your where your consciousness has expanded out into what they call the, the limitless field of consciousness. And you can, if you can experience that space, then what happens is, there is a space where there are no limitations. And if you can focus on one single thing and focus on a clear intention for that, then you can create that intention manifesting. So

Brandon Handley 47:59
do you have a recollection of maybe the first time you realize was this the first time you realize that you were capable of being the CO creator and manifesting those things? Or do you realize that before?

Mikal Shumate 48:11
Well, what manifested what made this sink in it actually like to be honest with you took me it took me months to really realize what had to happen. But at the time, I had a very serious cancer related growth on my cheek. It was it covered it covered a good portion of my cheekbone, and it was probably a couple inches in diameter. And so my, my wish my intention was that my face heel, and this, I mean, this looked like a charred burned mass on my face. And but we did that meditation is the great soul sync meditation. That’s what is called the great soul sync meditation. So available on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 49:08
We got that one out right now. Right? Hey, guys, here’s the secret. Oh, wait, I forget what it is. But good luck out there.

Mikal Shumate 49:17
Hey, I’m 75 years old. What do you want, you know? But anyway, that was about four days before the course ended. By the time I left, at the end of those four days, that great big mass had shrunk to about the size of a dime. And three days after I got back home, which was about five days later, it was completely healed, because I had an appointment with my dermatologist. And he looked at that and he said, My God is incredible. And so it’s like okay, Miracle, right? Well, we can create miracles. And that’s when I discovered that process and what it felt like to be connected into that space. I mean, this is the most important thing is what what it felt like. Because when you have a feeling, you now have something you can relate to other than just a thought. So you can, you can be aware of that thing when you when you get back there again, you go, Okay, I’m back here again,

Brandon Handley 50:38
Michael, what’s up? What’s the miracle feeling? Right? Like, I mean, what does that feel like? Tell us a little about

Mikal Shumate 50:43
that. It’s, it’s, uh, it was, it was, it was a soul premiere, it was a slow dawning process, that of what actually happened after I had a few months to, to, you know, live with it, and be aware of it and have people talking to me about it, and that sort of thing. And, and it’s kind of like, okay, yeah, this is something that is possible. And, from that, in the experience of learning how to meditate to the point where I can slow down in inactive consciousness where I can be present, you know, those things came all out of that experience. And for me, it’s, it’s a, it’s easy to recognize when my thoughts are running. And I can stop the train. And I can be present, I can move, actually, you know, I mean, this is, this also involves some physical awareness in the heart is the key to the whole thing. So it’s like, there is a, that’s where our connection to sources, there’s a little, little tiny space in the heart, where that little spark of of source resides in us. And so connecting with that source connecting with that spot, and you’re able to do that by being present, you’ve moved, you can actually, actually, you can move your consciousness anywhere in your physical body that you want. I don’t know how much time we have. But I, I learned, I learned that when I went through the string, II St. Earhart seminar training back in the 70s, early 80s. We had an instructor who had a scar on his face, and it was an ugly scar. And he says, I’m going in this weekend to have had this scar produced fixed. He says, I’m going to do it without anesthesia. And he says, and that’s because if you because I know that if you put your consciousness right there at the point of pain, pain has the job is to tell you that something’s going on here that needs your attention. If you put your attention there, if you put your awareness and your consciousness at that point, he will not hurt to pain will have recognized pain will recognize that it’s done its job and it will not hurt. This guy did that process, I discovered the truth of that as, as in most things, through my own experience, when I cut myself and slice my finger in, you know, a work related kind of thing. And, you know, I bashed it, it was throbbing in it, so it’s okay. Little mind pops up and says, Well, what about that thing? That guy said, Oh, well, let’s try that. Okay, so I just focused my attention, put my awareness and my consciousness into that point. And it’s not hurting. Because it Okay, this works.

Brandon Handley 53:52
Right, this works. And I think that I think that a lot of times, right? It’s, it’s when somebody tells you something like that, or teaches you, you know, you kind of want to call bs you like, I will bs until you actually experience it yourself. Right. And it’s one of those things that can only happen internally, and it’s subjective. So it’s difficult for somebody else to outside of you believe that right? unless they’ve had that experience themselves.

Mikal Shumate 54:21
Yeah, I think I think it’s where healthy skepticism comes in.

Unknown Speaker 54:24
We don’t for sure,

Mikal Shumate 54:25
allow the possibility that this thing may be, in fact true. But don’t just become a believer actually branch out and be in become a knower right

Unknown Speaker 54:41
now and yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 54:42
this thing is true. For sure, for sure. You know, when you’re talking about being a co creator, you know, I was definitely skeptical of that kind of thing before until, you know, I’ve had some experiences myself where there’s just been co creation, right, like, Wow, I can’t believe that happened almost identically to What I saw my mind with great ease and just kind of showed up in my life. Right? And and that’s, I mean, it’s pretty crazy. And you have to be willing to look for it right? You have to kind of be willing to look for the evidence of that. And all those other things, one more thing for you kind of before we tie it up, right? This is the book is for ordinary people. Right? And I’m just curious what you mean by ordinary people,

Mikal Shumate 55:26
people that have no spiritual training, particularly spiritual training. I try to keep all the blue stuff out of the book. No, it’s because I don’t want to put people in a position where they have to decide whether this stuff is real or not, you know, I don’t want to turn people off, it’s a process a very simple process of understanding our relationship to our existence on this planet, and how we can change our experience of that get into the point where we’re living in that, what krishnaji calls a beautiful state as compared to be in a stressful state. So if you’re experiencing negative emotions, you’re angry, you’re, you’re sad, you’re having you know, those kinds of experiences, you’re stressed. That’s one way to live life. The other way to live life is to, to recognize that those things are just thoughts in your mind. And it’s not you. So that you can and then to recognize an experience that you can be something other than that. And, you know, most people have had some kinds of, you know, really positive experiences in their life that they can relate to, to that sense, that feeling of being that way. And in my book, I take you through all the background understanding of how to get to the point where you can know that this is possible, and then it’s up to you to to do it.

Brandon Handley 57:07
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. I love it, man. What you know, and why now? Right? Why? Why? Why this book? Why now for you?

Mikal Shumate 57:16
Just, it’s how it evolved?

Brandon Handley 57:18
Yeah. Okay,

Mikal Shumate 57:19
I gotta do what I got to the point where I, where I understood it. I just was, I was just was guided, to be honest with you, I was just guided to, okay. You know, I’ve been, I’ve been writing these pieces and things like that, you know. And now it’s time to put all this stuff together. And because as I go, as I go along, in my training and my experiences and things like that I you know, kept it not necessarily a journal, but I kept a log would write things, things would be inside ones be inspired by I’d write it down. And so all that stuff I brought together into the book, and even the name of the book came to me, you know, I was just like, I was told, look all enlightenment. Let’s, let’s name your book. Okay.

Brandon Handley 58:10
I think I think it’s a great name for the book. And I, you know, I’m pretty excited. I haven’t read it yet myself. But I think that I think that what you’re talking about is going to speak to the blue collar people to those ordinary people to somebody who’s maybe had one or two experiences and doesn’t know how to kind of pin it down, right doesn’t know how to recreate those experiences. And it sounds to me like, you’re helping someone to, again, decipher the mysteries, right? And some of those mysteries are what was that feeling that I was feeling and how did this happen? Right, and then being able to pin it down, recreate it and and implement it for the rest of their lives that said about what it boils down to?

Mikal Shumate 58:48
That’s it’s a path to do that. Yeah, for sure. Why can you just all you have to do is do the work?

Brandon Handley 58:54
Do the work, right. I mean, that’s, that’s all that’s always the challenge, right? That’s the challenge is actually doing the damn things. Right. Dude is a simple,

Mikal Shumate 59:02
simple process. That is hard to do. For sure. So this

Brandon Handley 59:07
helps you to do that. Where Where can I send people to find out more about you and this book?

Mikal Shumate 59:14
Okay, well, I have a website. It’s love, like consciousness.com. My book is available to my website. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available on Melbourne press, who is the publisher of it? And there’s a number of things on the website. recently have happened. articles that have been published and that sort of thing that might interest people.

Brandon Handley 59:43
Okay. Would you call those kind of just add ons to the book, right? Be like, hey, since I’ve written the book, you might want to you might you might want to find out about this. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Well, great supplemental material can be found on love, light and consciousness as well as the full book, Michael, I just want to say thank you so much. much for joining us today on spiritual dopes Ben great.

Mikal Shumate 1:00:03
Hey, if you send me a link, I’ll put it on my website.

Brandon Handley 1:00:07
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Join in the conversation as we host Elyse Archer of She Sells this week on Spiritual Dope.

Connect with Elyse over at: https://elysearcher.com/

Also, Elyse, mentioned the book The Diamond Cutter, check it out below:

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. The voice of a generation as we know, Mays was self self indulge every once in a while and I’m on with a quite somebody quite special Elise Archer. And I’m just gonna, I’m gonna let her do the bio for herself in a second here. But before I do that, like Elise is the reason I do a podcast. Right? Before I met Elise, I’d never listened to a podcast, or I was like, fuck podcasts. Like, that’s not for me. And when I when I met Elise, Alicia, we’re doing your podcast with Greg and, Mark. Good. Morning. Yeah. And, you know, and then you know, we’re connecting at some of the networking events. And then I eventually hired you as my coach. And then when we got through the coach, it was for sales coaching, we got midway through the coaching. And I was like, This is more like, I’m getting life coach than sales coach. And and it’s okay, because it’s transferable, but like, as like, Well, you know, what, at least what we’ve been working on, like, it’s been the sales, but I really want to do this, like podcasts, and I was fully expecting you to be like, eyes on the prize brand and focus on what you said you were gonna focus on and you got it. And instead of doing that, instead of doing that, you’re like, well, how can I help you? Right, and you connect them with some other people. And that moment that that was like a life changing moment for me. So thank you for that. And I’m gonna let you do your own little brief intro. Like Elise, what do you all about? And share a little bit of that? And then we’ll get it going.

Elyse Archer 1:36
Oh, my gosh, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s so cool, just to see what you’ve created in a short amount of time and to see the evolution of it as well. So yeah, thank you so much. I was just thinking before cutting on his podcast, this is so much fun for me, because I do most of the podcast interviews I do or straight business sales, personal branding. And so this is pushing my limits, because this is actually the stuff I care about, like this is, this is the real, I feel like everything I do in the sales and business world is kind of the Trojan horse to try to like, talk to people about spirituality and help them just develop and grow personally. So this is so much fun. Okay, so with that about me, I’m a new mom. So I’ve got a little boy, he’s six months old. And that’s so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it’s the best. I love it. I didn’t know how I was gonna feel elevated. I

Unknown Speaker 2:24
know.

Elyse Archer 2:26
My gosh, No, I know. And he’s kind of he’s past that, like the blob stage now. So he’s doing things which was, but especially for my husband, Jason, I think it’s more fun for him now that he can interact. And, yeah, I’m a business owner. So I do a couple different things. I’m a founding team member of a company called brandbuilders group or a personal brand, strategy firm. And then I also recently launched another brand that I’m running called T cells. And it’s a it’s basically sales, training and mentoring for women who want to break through six figures and learn to sell in a way that feels really authentic to them. And we can, you know, take this conversation wherever you want it to go. But that’s a lot of my background is coming from corporate sales and seeing, you know, sales and business strategies celebrated that, frankly, made me feel like crud when I implemented them, because they either kind of blurred the lines of integrity, or were all about Push, push, push, hustle, and I did it, I did what I was taught, and I financially, I did pretty well. But it was really, really detrimental to not just my mental health, my physical health too. And so a lot of my own journey has been about I would say, reconnecting with myself, like how I’m actually wired, how I was innately designed and learning to trust myself, trust my instincts, trust my body, trust my intuition. And, and I’m really lit up now about helping everyone do that. But specifically, I my brand really is catering to women, because I think so much of what we’re taught, just growing up is like, we, you know, our bodies look wrong, or they’re not the way they should be, or they’re for other people’s pleasure. And it’s just, it’s really disempowering. And so, I’m so passionate about helping myself reconnect with my power and then helping other women reconnect with their power as well. So that’s, that’s a little sliver of what I’m all about.

Brandon Handley 4:15
Just a tidbit.

Unknown Speaker 4:16
Yeah. Just a little bit.

Brandon Handley 4:18
I love it. I love it, you know. And again, you know, when we connected, it was just, I think it was a, it was just an interesting journey. You You and I are connection, right? And just kind of how that how that all? We’ll call it manifested. And let’s start off with the first question that so we have all day to talk. So usually like to start us off with, you talked about connecting with your power always align it with like source, right? So the idea is that source speaks through us to speak to somebody else, right, you kind of get this divine inspiration to share something with somebody else. So the deal is there’s somebody listening to this podcast today that needs you to kind of ignite them to connect them to their power through a message. And what does that message to that person today? At least?

Elyse Archer 5:08
I love that question. I mean, the biggest thing that shows up for me is to trust yourself. That’s like I said, that’s so much of what I feel inspired to share with this brand. And like I mentioned before, a lot of my journey, especially in my teens, and 20s, were, it was it was not trusting myself, and whether that was not not being proud of my body. And I struggled with an eating disorder for 17 years, or feeling like something was just off with, like a client situation or something I was being told to do at work. All the way to, you know, when we got pregnant for the first time, a couple years ago, I went into sheer panic, that I was like, I just, I felt like I was going to lose the pregnancy. And I went into sheer panic about it. Sure enough, we miscarried. And I learned in that moment, I didn’t trust my body. And it’s been so interesting, this journey of learning to I think a lot of times we have to like kind of be brought to our knees to be able to be open to whatever that that message is that we’re meant to receive, and then carry forth into the world for other people. And that was it for me. But then even talking with my mom about it, a lot of her own experience, too, was she didn’t trust her body. And I think a lot of this stuff goes back generationally. So you know that, whatever that thing is that you feel like you want to do, but you can’t do or you have this intuition to do something or you’re like that logically doesn’t make sense. If I could encourage someone to listen to it, and trust that it doesn’t have to make sense for anyone other than you and to kind of stop looking outside of yourself. Even I promise, I’ll be quiet in a second. So you can respond or ask your next question. But I think about the coach I’m working with right now like this was I just did a pretty big financial investment to work with a new coach. And I knew that it was going to trigger all of my scarcity mindset that I was part of me was still clinging on to I knew it. And sure enough, a couple of weeks in it did. And I knew in my core, my intuition this whole time that it was the right move. But logically, it would not be anything that my dad would have told me to do, it would have been anything that a lot of even business mentors, who I look up to would tell me to do and I was on a call with her a couple weeks ago, and I said, I found myself going into panic about making the wrong decision. She was like, when do you find yourself going into panic about that. And I said, usually I’m reading, it’s when I’m reading like a business book, or I’m listening to financial management training from somebody else. And she was like, stop it, cut it off for the next three weeks, no consumption of any of that stuff. And I cut it off, and I feel so at peace. So it’s not that we want to not learn and educate ourselves and challenge our thinking. But I think at the end of the day, you know, your best path for you. And you have to trust that everything that you’re doing and when you act on those instincts, it’s always unfolding for the greater good and for your greater good. So sometimes just putting those blinders on and trusting that you know, what you need to do, is the most powerful thing you can do. So that would be my message.

Brandon Handley 8:14
After keeping it short.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
I’m gonna be all day

Brandon Handley 8:20
I kid I kid I love it. I love it all like and one of the parts where you brought it to know you had to kind of come to your knees right to just kind of accept your your intuition piece for a lot of people would you consider that? You? d a fearful, dark night of the soul for you? Would you consider that a moment of a or maybe like even a dark night of the soul? Whatever, right? And then and then, you know, there’s the idea I love I love what you’re saying there with with your coach, because I bet you it’s almost like it’s almost like a deprivation for you knowing how much you consume to improve or be better or find another technique or whatever, right? Like Hmm, I have to cut all that off. Right like so you probably feel a little bit like a junkie having to withdraw from that at least look and I know this from my own experience, right? I’m like, I’m like What do you mean? Don’t Don’t do it all like right now.

Elyse Archer 9:16
So it was in that did one thing I’ll just add to that is like, she really kind of pushed me with that cuz she was I was like, but I love learning and learning is good. And I love reading. She was like, that’s your comfort zone. She said, study yourself for three weeks. Just study yourself. Whoa, this is so uncomfortable. But that’s right. That’s what we need.

Brandon Handley 9:33
Well, that’s tough, too. Right. So jumping in there and studying yourself. And what I’ll throw in there though, too, is like, so it’s very, I’m still going through this book again. Right? Like, are you ready to succeed? I can’t remember if I saw I might have sent you one too. I can’t recall if I did. I think I sent you have a kid’s book that isn’t yours. Yeah, I

Elyse Archer 9:50
don’t I’m not familiar with this book. So

Brandon Handley 9:52
this is Sreekumar Rao. This is actually by way of Elise Archer at some point. It was back in the day when we were doing the coaching There was a guy that I looked up Sreekumar Rao on like, you know, you are hardwired for happiness, right? And turned out like, you almost cried, watching his little story or whatever. And I was like, Alright, well, I gotta get his book, got his book, yada yada went through it. But one of the pieces in here it’s just really talks about there’s two pieces in here that you’re saying that resonate with me. And one is like, talking about putting all that effort in, right? Like I gotta do I gotta do I got consumed content consume content, you were finding like each time you like power, something that didn’t correlate with how you were feeling or doing it was like, it was like, striking the wrong chord. Right? Quite literally. It’s like, you’re like that is that is out of that is that’s out of tune with who I am. Oh, my God, I need to make an adjustment because this person, you wrote this book, he’s an authority. Right? He

Unknown Speaker 10:48
knows. Oh, my gosh, I

Brandon Handley 10:50
shouldn’t Holy shit. Did I do the wrong thing? Right. So that that’s one piece, right? is to not let the wrong thought in your head. Right? It’s better. It’s like better like like literally cut yourself like with a razor. He says in this book, this came from like a Swami. Right? It’s better to cut yourself like a razor than to let the wrong thought into your head. Hmm. Right. which I know sounds to me. Like, you know, that’s that’s kind of what was happening to you. Like, you know, you’re you’re on your path. But you’re like, you like this guy’s awesome. I love 98% of what he does. But this piece right here is just like a BB in my mind, right? breaking all my shit. And thank you so much. Right? And then and then the other piece is like, we’re trying to do it so fast. Right? We’re trying to we’re trying to do is we want it so bad. We’re trying to do it so fast. There’s another story in this book where he talks about the idea of, you know, if you try to do it so fast, and with so much energy, it’s actually gonna take twice as long. So it sounds like your coach sounds really similar to what your coach is saying is they stop taking all this like outside influence and jam in all this into your cranium. Study yourself, trust yourself. And that’s what you’re saying to is like, kind of trust yourself and believe in yourself and kind of tune out all the other shit.

Elyse Archer 12:01
Yeah, well, that’s so interesting what you said about if you try to like, push and force it into it so fast, it’ll take twice as long. It’s interesting. I hadn’t thought about it like that. But because it’s counterintuitive. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. Because you’re kind of going up river versus letting yourself flow and stuff, right?

Brandon Handley 12:18
Yeah. here’s, here’s how, like, I’ve visualized it more recently. And this is like, this year, right? Imagine, like, you feel like you’re literally putting all the thought energy or whatever things, right? If we’re putting all this energy into this place, right? Then nothing can get in. So if we create space for something to come in, right, if we back up for a second, and let it come to us, then it comes to us, right? Because otherwise we’re blocking it. We’re like, I’ve got to put everything into this spiritual energy, right? Like, I’ve got to put all of my, you know, essence energy into this thing. And I want it so bad. If it doesn’t, we’ve got all these things caught up with it. And instead of like, I do really want it I want it really bad, but like, I want it and kind of like, the way I like flowers and, you know, gardens and stuff where if I go and I plan it, you know, there’s that whole other thing to where, like, you know, if you plant something you don’t keep pulling it up, right? And check into the roots and be like, you plan it. Come back up. Yes, it does what it’s supposed to do. Yeah, it’ll do anyways. And those are some thoughts that are like, you know, coming on mine is I’m hearing your story, right? I’m hearing like your coaching unfold. So thanks for letting me ramble on

Elyse Archer 13:26
I love this. This is no I feel like I’m getting a good like a spiritual lesson from you. And this this is awesome

Brandon Handley 13:31
was so that was so here’s the other thing, right? Like Elise guys is I went through like my quote unquote, like a call, quote, unquote, because nobody can like point a finger and say, Hey, that was an awakening experience. But remember, if you don’t remember that time, I called you up. I

Unknown Speaker 13:43
was like, Oh, yes,

Brandon Handley 13:44
I went through some shit. I don’t know what it is. And it’s like an awakening experience. So Lisa’s been again, guys that’s, you know, just want to share our relationship with the people that are listening, right, and how this kind of all came together. You came to me as like a sales coach. But what ends up happening was all this inner work that I hadn’t done before for personal growth, and it manifested into culminated into like kind of an awakening experience. Right. And from there, we still maintained and again, that was another thing where you were like, Well tell me more about that, like, because you’re just as excited as I was for that, too. So I think that that’s says a lot about kind of who you are and what you accept in your life. So I do want to hear like, you know, how you talked about helping people find themselves spiritually through your own process. And I’d like to hear how you’re doing that. Because what happened with me might not have been intentional. And and, you know, how do you feel like you’re doing it intentionally right now?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Oh, wow.

Elyse Archer 14:45
Yeah, gosh, I don’t so I don’t have like an intentional method to it. I think it’s more me think about that cuz I want to actually, I want to, I want to think about what the right or just what the true answer is for me there. I think I think for me, a lot of my own journey has been around overcoming a lot of feelings of unworthiness and worthlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned, that’s part of why a lot of the, like the clients I work with are in a business environment in a business setting. And so a lot of times they’ll come for, you know, I want to make more money, or I want to grow my personal brand and presence and just through that process, usually what comes up is, are there tactical, pragmatic things that they can do to do that? Absolutely. But also, and I think the more important thing is we dig into just limiting beliefs that are showing up for them around, you know, I want to make this amount of money, but even the word want means you don’t have it, right. So it especially the women, I work with those, those cut, you hear more than their story. And they talk about feeling unworthy or scared to show up or scared to speak up. And it doesn’t matter how good your website is, or how good your sales process is, if you have that limiting view of yourself, you’re only going to be able to operate within a box that’s like this big right? And get results that are about that big. So I really like I said, I don’t have a set processes, something I’m kind of like working on developing on right now. Because I do want to be able to take people through a more like a more intentional process. For me, it’s typically kind of intuitive with my clients. But that’s usually what I’m listening for when I hear my clients talk is, what are they actually saying about themselves. I was on a call with a potential client the other day. And the first thing she said when she got on our call was she said, Oh, you know, I’m just sitting here procrastinating, like I always do. And she’s a woman who wants to break through six figures this year in her business, and she’s a go getter. And she you can tell like she’s you know, she’s an aggressive goal getter. But the first thing I said was, whatever you describe you prescribed, right. So if you’re sitting there saying, I’m procrastinating, like I always do, you’re going to continue to procrastinate on accomplishing your goals on making your sales calls on whatever it is. So I just I think because so much of my own journey involves poor self talk poor or poor self image, I can hear it, and I can see it and other people. And then that’s what I try to pull out. Because usually we’re just we’re not even aware of it. It’s so ingrained in how we think and how we talk. And most of the people around us usually use disempowering language and thoughts. And so it’s kind of just part of our society. But once you realize, once you’re aware of it, you can’t unknow it. Right. And so I care so much now for myself about how I feel and how I speak about myself. And I try to get my clients to that same level of self awareness. Because the tactical stuff is like 5% of the actual process, the 95% of it is how you think and what you believe you deserve. So I don’t know if that answered the question. Like I said, there’s not a real thought out process. It’s super intuitive for me, but that’s, um, that’s that’s kind of how I do it

Brandon Handley 18:01
a little bit. I mean, it sounds like there is right, so the process is to kind of just identify where they are, right? You know, are they saying something that, you know, you’ve been able to get look as, I don’t think it’s any different than being a doctor, right? Kind of, when, when you first start off, you’re like, maybe I shouldn’t amputate that leg, I don’t know. But I’m gonna go ahead and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go ahead and cut that one off, you’re doing the same thing with like somebody limiting beliefs, right? Or identifying it. And over time, over time, like you become skilled enough to be like, Oh, that’s this. That’s this. That’s this. That’s this just because of your exposure, experience. And then your own way of working with people in that space, seeing what works. A lot of these things that you’re using a lot of the tools that you’re using, I’m guessing, aren’t brand new, right? These are tools that have been around for quite some time that have had success for years and years and years. It’s just how do you how do you share those tools with these people? So what would be like one thing that you help? Like, when you identify like a limiting belief within somebody else? Right? How do you how do you identify that for somebody to get them past that? Yeah, well, I

Elyse Archer 19:07
think the first thing is just reflecting it back to them. So that’s part of where there is value in having a coach a mentor, just somebody who can hear how you talk. And and actually help help you become aware and almost be a mirror for Do you realize you just said that? Because like I said, oftentimes, our language is so it is it is so subconscious, we don’t even realize we’re saying it. So it’s like, hey, do you realize you just said that? And then oftentimes people don’t even realize it’s a problem. They’re like, well, so you know, so what? So what did I said that and I think so for some people, they’re already really into law of attraction and, and positive self talk, but for a lot of people I work with, they’re not familiar with, with what that means, and how it how it impacts them. So we talked about, you know, whatever you’re saying you’re giving a command to your subconscious to create this thing in your life. And so we start to look at what’s a new and better and different way you could say that The other thing that has been really profoundly transformational for me in my life and that I recommend for a lot of my clients is Joe dispenza his meditations like I am, I’m guessing you follow Him, and I’m such a fan of his work. But every single morning, I’m doing those meditations. And I asked my clients to do the same, and it helps you start to feel the feelings of abundance, genius. Courage, right? All those things that, that we want to embody. And so I get all my clients doing that, as long as they’re open to it, and that is pretty darn transformational as well.

Brandon Handley 20:40
Now, 100%, right, yeah, Joe dispenza is great. He’s one, there’s one that I listened not not even. Not even a meditation, but he’s got like a 10 minute piece that like I listened to all the time. It’s just, it just reminds me like not to look at like, not to look at my social media first thing in the day not to, you know, to retune yourself, right, like to retune your your whole, you know, your whole experience? Do you live life on your terms? Not according to what kind of everybody else is already doing? And that’s why I enjoy him and that. So meditation, getting them to connect with the meditations? Or where did you find that to be kind of like the game changer? a game changer for you? Hmm.

Elyse Archer 21:24
You know, it’s so I’ve been meditating off and on for probably five years, probably, well, I really longer than that, but like, actually really going for it for about five years. But I would say it’s, I kind of, I would do it for a while, and then I’d get off of it. Because it was like, you know, I’m still I still was in the mindset of i, this time would be so much better spent if I was sending emails or creating the social media posts. So I was still in that mindset. And really, I would say, it’s, it’s honestly been more in the past few months that it’s kicked in, for me how critically important it is. Where, even though I think I had done a fair amount of work on releasing anxiety, and like I mentioned, like not trusting myself and stuff. So I’d gotten to a pretty good place about 12 months ago, but I still would have almost this low grade anxiety running all the time in the background, especially on Sunday nights, looking at the week ahead of like, Oh, you know, I’ve just I’ve still got all this stuff that’s been done that I thought I was gonna try to get done this weekend, did I just piled too much on my plate, and then I would kind of beat myself up about just not being, you know, good enough. And I Gosh, if I was better, I could have gotten this done. So it was this habit in this perpetual like cycle that my body was almost addicted to the feeling and the anxiety. And some time, I think sometimes we just have a moment. And for me, I just had a moment, I was like, doing it this way, has gotten me this result. I’ve been feeling this low grade anxiety for years for most of my life. What if I didn’t have to feel that way? What if that wasn’t the reality for everybody? What if I was what if it was just a decision that I was going to feel differently. And that’s when I started really doubling down into a lot of Joe’s work, and into just studying, you know, the different energy centers of the body and how to get them in coherence. And I will say, I mean, it’s a very short time as of the recording of this interview, but for about a week now, I’ve had really consistent checks up brain heart coherence, where you just you feel like in the flow all the time, no matter what. I had that for about a week, and it’s been so transformational. Like, I’m not afraid of anything that’s coming, I’m not anxious, I’m at peace, I’m present. With the people I’m talking to. I’m excited. I’m not triggered by stuff the way I was. And it’s just it’s a totally different, I was able to get there like a little bit before and I could get there and kind of keep it for a while during my meditations. But then something would happen in life, and it would trigger me or throw me off and I’d have to like work to get back. And it’s been really darn consistent. For like I said, about seven days. And I think it’s it was just a decision of, I can have this all the time if I want. And so now i’m i’m showing up on that meditation, that was some ferocity my friend cuz he’s like, Oh, this is good, how much? How much better could it get?

Brandon Handley 24:19
You show it to meditation be like, I’m gonna take this bitch down. Yes. So so that’s great. So there’s, there’s a word that I use in tandem kind of with, with with, with what you’re talking about there. And that’s the word numinous. Right? Like where you’ve got this connection to source and it’s just effervescent. And it sounds like that’s been your week, right? Nothing can derail that, right? There’s nothing stronger than it and there’s no worry, you’ve given yourself some trust, you’ve given yourself some grace. And there’s a it’s just such a great feeling, right? Like how did happen and where’s and it’s always been available. Right, that’s the thing like to you’re like, well, all I had to do was make a decision to make this a conscious choice.

Elyse Archer 25:06
That was it. Yeah, that and it’s and it’s not like nothing has happened, like, I got a mega tax bill I wasn’t expecting because of a miscommunication with my accountant. And in the past that would have that would have thrown me, you know, and this I was like, okay, like, I, you know, I am being honest, it threw me for a couple minutes. And then I just like I’m snapping back into it, because nothing is worth sacrificing this level of vibration and awareness and feeling nothing. So we’re just going to do it and move on. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:37
yeah, no, absolutely. 100%. Right. So I thought I definitely talked about this in my process, too, right? To where you make the decision, right, literally, like, so I created that, you know, this thing called the divine framework, right, the first piece of the first piece of this puzzle that you just talked about, is to make the decision. Yes. Right. Like, this is it? This is I’m going for it. Right. But the one thing that, you know, you talked about, like kind of this belief system, you talked about the boxes right and and discover on uncovering kind of like the those limitations, right? Those self imposed limitations. It’s kind of like this whole mindset thing. This is just how spirituality has kind of shown itself for me, right? Like I did the I did the coaching with you awesome stuff. Great stuff went through like law of attraction, right? And I was like, well, this is this is all kind of stuff that I’m putting out there. What if I shake it back and understand that this is a benevolent universe? And that it probably wants things more for me than I actually want for me. What can you show me? Right? And how can I take who I am eternally spirit, like spiritual DNA is perfect, right? I mean, we all have, we all share the same spiritual DNA. But I went from having a human mindset with all these worldly things that we know how to use, right. And, to your point, I’ve made it this far with this human mindset with this human capability. As like, what happens if I choose divinity? What happens in right? What happens if I’m connected to source at all time? And if I accept that source is everything, right? Who, you know, what am I capable of then? Right? And so that’s just fucking blew the lid off it. I’m like, you know, and that’s, that’s that again, just another choice to make right then. And so you can take a look at spirituality and the, you know, you can call it maybe it’s Christ consciousness, I don’t know, right to decide, like, Hey, listen, this is this is Buddhist consciousness, I make this decision to do what you did, to say. I’m just gonna stay connected to this ship, because I feel real good. I don’t have to drink to get here. I don’t have to get high to get here. All I have to do is show up and decide to be here. It can’t be that easy lease.

Elyse Archer 27:56
It’s it. It is literally it is a decision. I mean, that’s it. That’s been a huge lesson for me in the past 12 months that I think we could be scared to make that whatever the decision is. Whether it’s a decision to show up differently, a decision to to move right a decision to, for me invest in this, this high level coach. One other thing that happened for me a couple months ago is I made it not I guess it was more a month ago, I made a decision to spend more money than I knew where it was going to come from to work with this particular woman. So I felt very intuitively guided to do it. And I remember going through the fear and I like I said yes to her verbally. And then I like kind of shrugged back for a week and I vacillated It was like, Oh, this is a bad idea. It’s not it’s not responsible. It’s not smart. And I reached the point. And I think you saw my video I did on Instagram about this. But I was just thinking about why am I not moving forward on this. And it was the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of making a bad decision in the unknown. And, but what it reminded me of was, when I was in my late 20s, I was in a just a, I was in a marriage that was really toxic. And I was so scared to leave because I was afraid of the judgment of being young and being divorced. And my family put a lot of money into the wedding and we were only I mean I knew before I got married to him I shouldn’t have but at this point where I reached kind of the turning point we were like 1214 months in I was so scared to do it because of the fear of judgment and what was going to be on the other side would I ever find someone who was actually a good fit for me all that stuff. And I just reached a point where I said it can’t be worse than this you know so let’s let’s pull the trigger and do it and so I I asked for the divorce and six months to the day that I did. I met Jason who’s my husband I knew within minutes that he was going to be my husband. very inconvenient by the way in North Carolina. You’ve got to be separated for a year so we were still tech Are you gonna you remembered for a year for you to get remarried.

Brandon Handley 29:58
For the for the guys out there. They listen, they’re gonna probably, they’re gonna want to know, what can somebody do in a couple minutes to make some money?

Unknown Speaker 30:07
Right? I

Elyse Archer 30:08
know, I know. Yeah, they are. He just showed up and I was like that, you know, you hear about you know it when you know it, you know it I’ve never had that experience before. But I, I knew him. I knew that I was meant to be with him. So that’s a whole nother story, because then I had to proceed to chase him and date him and all of that stuff. It was a frustrating courtship, I will say, but here we are. So

Unknown Speaker 30:29
if I had to do one, that one, I won that one. Yeah.

Elyse Archer 30:33
But if I had not left that situation that I was so scared to leave, I would not have met him. And we would not have our son jack now. And that just puts things into perspective for me. And I think everyone can relate to something in their life where they’ve been so scared to make a move, because they didn’t know what was on the other side. But think about what happened in your life is a result of what you have now that you wouldn’t have had if you hadn’t stepped out in faith. And for me, that was like, this is it. Like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen on the other side of this, but I know, I can trust my intuition that’s leading me to do this. And I know something really good is gonna unfold, even if it’s not what I’m expecting. So it’s kind of that surrender, like, Alright, I’m along for the ride.

Brandon Handley 31:16
That’s it. I mean, that’s it. 100% right. You know, it’s, it’s following your intuition. And kind of, you know, trusting it. And for you, you know, that’s seems to be working fairly well. Seems like, hey, look, what I love, too, is like, you know, listen, no matter how much of this work you’ve been doing on yourself, I’ve been doing myself, anybody out there has been doing it themselves. years, right. You’re still catching yourself, like beating yourself up? Right? You’re still catching yourself. Like, you know, there are moments where everything’s not fucking perfect. And that’s okay. Like, and I think that, I think that that that can be a challenge too. Because to accept that right to to be able to say, this, this moment, right here is not ideal for me. But that’s still going to show up no matter how much work you do. And I think that that’s important for people to hear and understand. Because they put themselves in into, oh, I shouldn’t be feeling this way I shouldn’t, then they beat themselves up for feeling that way at all. Like you’re saying, like, I shouldn’t be doing this way. And, and and I should be you should I’ve done it differently. And all these other things. And I’ve had another guy that had on and I know well, you called it he has the acronym, acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative. However you did it, right. There’s no alternative to what’s already been done. Right? The only alternative mate would be like your perspective on that, like, as you move forward, you’d be like, you know what, you can look back and be like, you know, what, in my mind, at that time, this is what I thought was going on. But now if I look back, it’s a totally different scenario. your perspective on what happened may be different. But the actual event, there’s no changing it. Right? That’s your your way past it. Right. Yeah. But you know, so how would I mean, a dress that though right, especially for you know, you again, being a coach, having gone through, like all this work, and still finding, you know, yourself kind of having those challenging moments? Do you accept those for yourself? Or do you beat yourself up for having those and then, you know, how do you get through it? What do you do from there?

Elyse Archer 33:28
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I, so I do accept myself for having those. And I used to beat myself up a lot over it. And I think a lot of that is just we see people, whether it’s our parents, or like, for me, I saw I like, I love my mom dearly, but I saw her do that my whole childhood growing up. So I that’s how I operated for a long time. So now with those moments, I am so conscious of how I talk to myself, because I realized if I beat myself up, I’m only perpetuating the negative emotion negative feeling, I’m just going to attract more of that back into my life. So yeah, I mean, even yesterday, I had an introduction to like, a big time, big time, big time podcast to go on. And I had been like, really psyched up.

Unknown Speaker 34:11
You know, we’ve been talking for a while.

Unknown Speaker 34:14
See, it’s always working.

Elyse Archer 34:18
So I had this. So this was like, you know, like, top 100. Like, it was a big it was a just in terms of audience a big show. And so I got myself kind of psyched up for it. And I get on the call with the woman I’d been introduced to who is kind of like the gatekeeper and she was like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If there’s a misunderstanding. You know, he’s booked up for a whole year like I just really wanted to get to know you. You seem like a cool chicken. It was like, in that moment, I felt I felt disappointment. And then I gave myself like two seconds to feel it. I was like, okay, nothing is worth feeling that nothing is worth perpetuating that. So let me instead flip this and focus on how can I show up for her in this moment because I genuinely believe everything is always working out. For me, and if this is not the thing that’s meant to be right now it means there’s something even better down the road. So cool. So let’s have fun with this. And let’s like, show up and have fun. And then who knows what will happen in the future. But I think it’s that an attachment to like things being so perfect that for myself, for a lot of people, right, I think a lot of women I work with everyone, we can get kind of caught up in perfectionism, and things have to turn out the way we thought they would. But when you can be kind of unattached and just more attached to like, feeling good and having fun and showing up in the moment. It’s, it’s a heck of a lot more enjoyable. And you end up

Brandon Handley 35:35
Yeah, listen, you could find yourself on spiritual dope, too, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:40
I love it.

Brandon Handley 35:41
But the deal is to have right like, I mean, that is, you know, the dude, you’re talking about that seven days of being connected. That is, that’s the spiritual high, right? That’s, that’s the, that’s what the spiritual dope is. That’s the hits. You know, when you got that meditation, and you’ve got that meditation buzz of man, I was just so connected, I was so aligned, I was so detached from, I don’t want to say worldly things. But I was so detached from all all the activity and things that I felt like we were talking earlier, like, oh, maybe I gotta go make another pose. Maybe I got to go do this, maybe I got I got, I’ve got 10 minutes, I can squeeze in like five posts, maybe I can I am in and check for emails, right. And instead of being like, like, your coach is saying, Go study your fucking self for a minute. Right? Like, you’re pretty special. Right? recognize that? You know, I think more recently, you know, some of the meditations that I’ll do would be like, how far can you visualize yourself out? Right? And I’d be like, oh, infinite, right? The edges of the universe? Yes. But then more recently, I was like, well, inside is just as infinite to like, how deep Can I go into myself, and it’s infinite. So it’s infinite internally as much. So like, that was there’s been like a new rocking revelation, right? Like, where you just kind of you go internally, and you just hang out with yourself. And you see that, like, you know, you are 100% connected to source at all times. And it’s like, you’re saying, it’s a choice to say, I’m connected in this moment, to the person to the lady that was on the call, or title for my own shit. And I could I could show up and be there for her, or be tied up my own shit. And again, you’re like, I’m gonna take this moment, be there for her. And be open for the intuition, the inspiration, what’s coming out of this that is meant to be like your best.

Elyse Archer 37:35
Yes. I don’t want to add something to what you said about just studying the depth of ourselves. So one of my girlfriends, her sister, passive cancer a couple years ago, and they were super close, super, super close. And I wouldn’t talk about this on most any podcasts. I’ll talk about it here because I feel like you’ll get it. So she her sister passed. And then a mutual friend of theirs, called my friend out of the blue a couple months later, and she was she was like, I don’t know, I just feel like I have to call you. And we needed to reconnect. And this, this woman also channels and connects with people on the other side. And suddenly, while they were talking, my friend’s sister Lauren started coming through her and say, like, really literally reconnecting with my friend and what Lauren was saying, was, she said, You have no idea how big we are. She said now that I’m on the other side now that I can see it. She said, imagine like zoom out look at your house. Imagine you’re looking at it from above. You see the house and then zoom out to the block and the street and then your city and then the world and then the universe. She said you’re so much bigger. She said we are so much bigger than we know. She said I can’t wait for you to see this and know this. But she was just like, it’s you should have this this one on your podcast, I can introduce you because it’s powerful. It’s so powerful. But that perspective from the other side of are so much bigger than we can even fathom. Have

Brandon Handley 38:59
you connected yourself to that yet? Um, have you had that experience for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 39:04
No. Have you I want to Oh, can can you tell me about

Brandon Handley 39:07
it? Because I mean, it’s you can’t right that’s the whole Yeah, you can’t that’s the whole like, mystery school mysticism. translate that thing now? I did do I did do one good podcast on it where I’m not sure if you’ve done breathwork yet.

Unknown Speaker 39:23
A little bit not

Brandon Handley 39:24
not a ton, but a little bit. It’s like it’s it’s it’s like, cracked out. Meditation. When done when done well, like when you when you nail you’ll know when you nail it because you’ll come out of it. Like, what the fuck just happened? And can I get more of that all the time? Anytime? And the answer is yes. Right. Which is also powerful because that’s just like, like I said, meditation force multiplied and add connections and scenes, that you know, in those moments, that that’s the That’s just like a knowing, right? Like, it can’t be anything other than that and and more back to what you were saying before is it doesn’t you don’t need an external validation for that type of thing. You know this as truth. Right and and so, yes, right and that’s the that’s the question all right and and you know, I had similar experience to where this actually so to Elise has meant guys just again so lease is a lease is actually responsible in part for spiritual dope as well I don’t know if I told you that or not it was the interview without What was her name last one you got me in contact with the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, Regina Yeah,

Brandon Handley 40:43
so I interviewed Regina for the prosperity practice which in its own right was fucking awesome. I did love it and actually enjoyed it. But I also realized that I was I was kind of, you know, trying to sell the people what they wanted, but then give them what they need. And finally, I was just like, you know what bucket like your friend, right? Like, a much bigger, you know, spirituality, right? our spirits are much bigger than our bodies and it’s self evident. There’s like, you know, recordings of it with just even just with your resonance, right? You talked about also like the mind, mind heart coherence, experience that often, right? And that’s through meditation, but again, like through a number of things, once you recognize how to connect that and resonate that piece, and then you’re like, oh, like, like, all the time like it just like, it’s so great. Anyway, so yeah, so I interviewed her. And I was like, Why? Why am I holding back? kind of the best part of me? The best part of like, what I believe, right? Because here was this, you know, here was this, you know, ex lawyer fucking doing it. Right? And I was like, why am I waiting? Right? For who? Who, who? And then this came all the way back from my first podcast. So anyway, so first podcast was like, who gives me the authority to do this, right? I do. You do. You give yourself the authority to be you, right? You know, to go out and do the things that you know, that you can do that you’re capable of that you’re called to do, right? And that’s what you’re doing now I get to be a witness to seeing you punch through like each layer of that shit, right. And that’s what’s been fun for me to kind of watch you too, because we’ve had I feel like kind of similar experiences in that way be like, like, this is all shit. I’m out of here. This is better, but and it’s not even leveling up. Right? It’s just finding yourself in a different space because even even to a different level of awareness to what already is. Right? It’s just and goes back to your belief system be like, how When do I get to the side? Like, there’s more? Well, there’s a whole universe that is currently yours at your disposal. How do you want to use it? Right? Do you want to use it if you if you again, if you want to use your human self have fun with that. Right? And you’ve experienced that? What do you want to do with your Divine Self? What do you want to do with your universal self? Like what other kind of mindset Can you put yourself into and there’s again, that’s unlimited to

Unknown Speaker 43:16
this is so good. Oh my god. Yes,

Brandon Handley 43:20
yes. Yes. So again, guys, it was Elise who connected me with Regina and then when I connected with Regina, my wife had a friend who was medium as well on channel with me so it was combination of my wife whose childhood friend who she connects me with my grandfather like my closest you know, kind of Anthony in my life and and doing it with Gina and like, it was like the the medium wrote like a coming out letter of like, mediumship, right, like to her family, like I’m coming out of the closet medium type thing. So I was like, I was like, You know what, fuck it I’m coming out of the closet like spirituality and we’re just we’re just gonna go do it and ever since Sinhalese blown up blown blown. I mean, just the doors been blown off the people I’ve connected with, you know, I just interviewed my man here. I released you know, and and that, that was no following intuition. There was a 215 phone number, which is a Philadelphia area phone number. I was like, You’re fucking up here. I’m calling. And I just called. I was like, I was like, I was like, Listen, I was like, I got like, you know, his pm and she was awesome. knew where she lived. We had this great conversation. I was like, I just got to let you know I love this book. I’ve gone through it like four or five times I leave groups on it, yada yada. Would he be open to being on the podcast and she goes, You know what he normally he hates them. But let me see what I can do. That’s so cool. But again, so thank you like this is kind of like a trivia tool, a lease podcast. A lot of a lot, a lot of things because it’s been a lot of fun and without your support. You know, in part, of course, like us, all other all other people that have been a part of the journey, but you’ve been a big part about it. So I thought I’d share that with you.

Elyse Archer 45:11
Thank you. Thank you. Well, any audience? Yeah. And I think to just to see kind of how you’ve, you’ve taken every step of your evolution and turn it into something that’s good for other people. And I think that’s really cool. Because I do think back to when we were first working together, and it was like, how do we sell more of these?

Brandon Handley 45:32
things? Right. But that goes back to what you were saying, like how, you know, there was like, you know, you were selling stuff, and you were doing it where like, there was like integrity issues. And it’s like, yeah, you could sell something. Yeah. Maybe you could overcome some objections. Yeah, you maybe get this person to do this thing. But like, in the end, at what cost to you? And who?

Elyse Archer 45:50
Yes, exactly, exactly. Like, what is it actually all about? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 45:55
Well, so how do you I mean, I think that leads into a really good piece. So So how do you do it now where you’ve got it all tied together, that you feel aligned with what you’re doing.

Elyse Archer 46:04
Um, I just really listened to what, what my body says about what whether it’s working with a particular client, whether it’s launching a program, and I don’t fault myself for changing my mind, either, like I launched something new with the rollout of my new brand that was actually it was based on what a shaman who I follow what he does, or just like a $10, weekly, I drop in, he goes a healing temple. And it’s so much I was like, Oh, we should have that for sales, that would be so much fun. So I did like a $10 weekly drop in sales training. And it’s been, it’s been fun, but it’s like the numbers started off really high. And then they kind of dwindled with the number of women who were coming every week. And I used to go into panic about that. And now it’s like, oh, cool, I’m being divinely guided to transform this into something else. So I’m transforming it into something slightly different a monthly membership, and women are signing up for that really fast. So it’s like, just knowing that it doesn’t have to be perfect. But if I take the, I listen to what I’m being told to do, I take the action, I’m not attached to it being that way forever. And then I just kind of keep receiving that guidance. And that’s how I’ve launched my programs. That’s how I choose which clients to work with. That’s how I chose my brand colors. Like all of it, it’s just all the

Brandon Handley 47:21
colors, by the way. Don’t go gold, white, and red, which are which are all pretty cool. Yeah, I like that too. Like you talked about, like, you know, being able to change like kind of like your your and and, you know, in the business world or be ready to pivot, pivot, pivot. But being able to pivot, right, being able to adjust on the fly is something that I think a lot of people have a challenge with, too. How do you help them to overcome that, like, be like, Oh, I made this decision to do this thing. And I was told to commit. And, man, if I, if I just stick with it, persistence, and yada, yada, yada. So how do you help somebody that’s stuck in that space?

Elyse Archer 48:01
Yeah, cash. And it’s tough to write because we hear self discipline and persistence. And there’s a lot of value. There’s a lot of value to those attributes, in a lot of ways, but I think sometimes we get, you know, you hear like sunk cost theory in business. So I’ve put so much time and energy into this. And we can hold on to something just because of that, just because we already invested a lot of money or a lot of time. And even in our core, if we know it’s no longer the right thing. So again, it comes down to intuition. And so if I’m working with the client, we kind of we look at, okay, if you were, if you were starting this today, would you do the same thing? Like if you were starting from scratch? Would you do the same thing? If the answer is yes, then it’s okay. You probably just need to keep going at it for longer. Like it’s just, it’s keep showing up, keep doing it know that just like you said, with the flower when you plant it, it’s gonna take a hot minute sometimes, and that’s okay. But if you’re being honest, and you wouldn’t do it again, the same way today, or you wouldn’t run this program today, or you wouldn’t. I mean, this is a big one, but you wouldn’t marry this person today. Right? Like, then I’m not counseling people and relationships. So take that for what it’s worth, but you kind of look at, okay, are you attached to this just because you’ve put so much time and energy into it? Or are you attached to it, because it’s actually what you’re meant to be doing. And it just needs a little more time to mature or grow or terminate.

Brandon Handley 49:23
I love that. I love being associated. Again, you know, I’m a big fan of the word grace these days. So give yourself a little grace and let you kind of, you know, let that let that life energy just go ahead and propagate the way that it’s supposed to. Right. And I love though, to that you’re saying you know, if you started today, would you still do this? Right? Because again, we we put all this energy into the sunk cost thing even like, well, the Titanic sinks, it’s sunk, right? Like I mean, fucking let it go. Right? They jump off the boat because it is sunk costs, and it hasn’t accelerated you or gotten you to where you think you should be by Now and if you were to, you know, kind of continue that trajectory, it’s down at this point, right? I love it. I love it. So, what, um, you know, let’s what is a, you know, a hit of spiritual dope for you like, you know what, you know, meditation, I mean, having, you know, maybe looking at your son, you know, what is what is something that, um, that’s just your pure hit a spiritual dope.

Elyse Archer 50:24
I mean, it’s totally hanging out with my son jack now like that’s just to see see the pureness of a little kid and to see how they just just their wholeness and their appearances, and his unfiltered laughter is so much fun. I absolutely love that. And then I think the other thing is just when I can show up and give or do something for somebody else that has nothing to do with me. And that’s actually, when I found myself a couple months ago, like going through some of that Panic of like, Oh, my God, am I doing making the wrong decision or the wrong choice? That’s part of how I would shift out of it is I would be like, What can I do for somebody else right now to get my head out of my ass and focus on what really matters. And that always, to me, that always helps. It’s that quick shift. It’s like, What can I do for someone else, whether it’s write a comment on their social media, whether it’s had a client who wants to book club, I was like, I’m gonna join my clients book club right now. And that’s gonna make him feel good when he looks in his inbox and sees that he’s got a new member. So just stuff like that. Right? It’s, it’s always kind of getting our focus off of ourselves.

Brandon Handley 51:31
I love this. I mean, it doesn’t have to be complex, right? You can go out there and kind of give of yourself and support somebody else in small meaningful ways. And you’re gonna feel better about yourself. Hmm,

Elyse Archer 51:42
yeah. Well, and it’s the whole Have you read the diamond cutter?

Unknown Speaker 51:46
No, I have not, oh, this

Unknown Speaker 51:48
will be a good one. I

Unknown Speaker 51:49
think you’ll be into this.

Elyse Archer 51:50
So the principle behind it is whatever you want for yourself, help someone else get it. So I’ve got my, my mastermind partner. She’s also going for seven figures in her business right now. So one of the things that I’ve done and I told her I was like, This is not entirely altruistic that I want to help you do this. Like, I’m really curious energetically how this works for me.

Brandon Handley 52:11
It’s interesting, though, at least, right? Like, when I started fatherhood, for the rest of us, it wasn’t for the pure reasons. Right? It really wasn’t and I can look back and I can say that right? I’m like, you know, I did this for all the wrong reasons. But I was doing the right things, even if it was for the right reasons, for all reasons. Yeah. And that kind of tilted the whatever right into into always say like, I’m like the Grinch my heart grew to sizes too large or whatever, right? Like it went from being like, you know, this thing to write. So I think that you and I think you know, are you know, when you collect new Java Roman back in the day, I remember him going into, you know, talking about that, right being like, what happens if you do the right things with like, the wrong reasons. Now, I would say and wrong reasons is really kind of hard. You can’t really say it’s for the wrong reasons. You’re really trying to do it for the benefit. Yes, of you. And of them, but like, you know, that kind of shakes off. Just Just for I mean, my experience has been that kind of shakes off like initially, it’s kind of like, I’m doing it mostly for me a little bit. You still feel okay, I’m doing it for like, you know, at least I’m not, you know, at least I’m not calling you an asshole, right? Like, you know, merger. Nobody’s a jerk. I’m doing all these things. And eventually, that it’s just kind of like rust away until like, this purity situation happens where like, that’s just becomes who you are. Right? So there’s really nothing wrong with like, trying on different clothes until you find the pair that fits.

Elyse Archer 53:38
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s you always know because it’s the energy or doing something and like, how do you feel while you’re doing it? If you feel secretly like, with this, this friend of mine, who I’m helping, I’m just kinda like consulting and helping her for helping her hit seven figures in her business this year. It’s like, the energy that I feel around it when I do it. If I felt jealousy or if I felt scarcity or like, I should be spending the time on my own stuff. exactly what you’re talking about, right, like doing it for the wrong reasons. But I think it’s it’s, you can tell when you feel like whole excited, fulfilled, relaxed while you’re doing it. It’s really different.

Unknown Speaker 54:13
You are at ease. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:15
you’re at ease and the things are easy. They’re simple. They’re fulfilling. Yeah, right. All right. Super awesome. As always to catch up with you. Unfortunately, we can’t stay on all day. So where can we send people to go find more Elise Archer,

Elyse Archer 54:33
thank you so much for having me. Elise. archer.com has all the things and then on all social media. I’m at Elise Archer. So with love, love, love to connect. I’ve got a podcast, she sells radio so people can check that out. It’s like sales with a healthy dose of spirituality.

Brandon Handley 54:49
Now, who would you say your ideal client is Elise?

Unknown Speaker 54:53
Hmm.

Elyse Archer 54:55
It’s often a younger me. And I’m not saying that in an egotistical way. It’s just I can really help them. A woman because I know

Unknown Speaker 55:00
what’s going on.

Elyse Archer 55:02
So it’s typically going to be a woman who is either a business owner or she’s in sales, she’s looking to break through her first six figures. And it’s like, something’s not quite clicked there. But she’s ready. And she’s probably a little bit turned off by a lot of what she’s being taught from either corporate sales training or from the book she’s reading and it just doesn’t quite feel right to her and she’s like, could I reach my goals in a way that actually feels really good to me and other people and I love helping that type of woman so that’s my ideal client.

Brandon Handley 55:32
awesome guys. Go

check out Lisa’s especially, you know, if you meet that description, I can promise you that, uh, you know, it’ll work out for you. Right? guarantee that, you know, to go through some of the coaching or some of the programs that Elise has offered, they will be valuable to you.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
Thank you, my friend. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, spiritual dope, what is going on today? Today we are on chapter six. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar? Rao? Again, just just just a great book. We’re on chapter six. This is which addresses this is I’m sorry about that.

Unknown Speaker 0:23
We,

Brandon Handley 0:24
you live in a me centered universe, right? You live in a me centered universe. And we are on part two. And I believe we ended at the end of where we ended up, we ended. There we go, we ended up surrender to the universe last time, right. So

Unknown Speaker 0:49
what we’ve got here are,

Brandon Handley 0:51
we had an exercise, but here’s a couple helpful Hansen. A big part of it. Maybe I said it last time, maybe I didn’t, I don’t recall. But you know, it bears repeating. It’s a consider in when you’re surrendering to the universe, and you’re working with everybody. And when you go forward with your intention, consider an idea that there’s a there’s a resolution where all parts are better off, everybody is better off. Right. And it may not be readily visible. One of the things that I studied over the past couple years is just negotiation. And there’s the the idea of pizza. And there’s two people that that want a pizza, there’s 100% of a pizza, right? But how about the idea that maybe this is a mushroom pizza, and maybe one person loves mushrooms but hates the crust? And the other person only likes

Unknown Speaker 1:46
crust?

Brandon Handley 1:48
So what do you do, we give one person 100% of what they like off of that pizza, right, they get, they get the crust, and the other person gets the entire pizza with, with the mushrooms, right? So you get 200% out of that pizza, then you get 200% of that pizza. And, and both people get 100% of what they like. So there’s opportunity all over the place out there for everybody to get all of what they want. The problem is, is most people don’t take that extra effort to kind of dig into it and figure out what that extra could be for the other person or what is that 100% for the other person. So as we move on, right, so that was a helpful hint for for that as we move on. We go into the idea that his surrender is not a passive experience. There is not passive acceptance, right? You’re not gonna just accept injustice as it comes along. And and, you know, look, there may be times where you stand up, and you stand up for the injustice, maybe you see some injustice at work. And, you know, maybe you rally the troops, and you go to stand up for that injustice, but it doesn’t work out as a matter of fact, for some reason, somehow, you end up getting punished for this adult, the idea is like don’t don’t get, you know, all sad and mopey. And, you know, dejected. Take a look at what you did. Think about what you did well, in that you stood up for injustice, right? You rally the troops, maybe maybe it was the actions in particular that they went awry. Or maybe it was the overall approach. Maybe it was the actual group of people. So maybe next time you re approach it with a different tactic or a different strategy and maybe maybe a different maybe a different set of people. So the other thing is, are you in this is it when you set out to do something that doesn’t work in your favor? Do you need to you need to try and figure out how you can simply let it go with out the emotional baggage. All right, I know that we talked a little bit about just you don’t want to be sad, morose, you don’t want to, you know kind of be attached to that thing. And then, you know, the negative emotions when you can let go of those negative emotions. It’s literally like a force multiplier. Imagine how much weight would be lifted off of your chest. If you if you could just let go of the negativity, right, you’ve got to deal with it. nobody’s saying you don’t have negative emotions. It’s not letting them drag you down and get all mired up in it. So the sooner you can let go of those and and move forward right in a positive manner and positivity meaning forward motion forward momentum, not simply like, oh, everything’s all fucking rosy and cheery. It’s a move forward. Right. And at some point, at some point, it’s gonna feel like the universe is actually working with you is actually dancing with you. It’s such a it’s a kind of a Beautiful Thing when it happens. And when it happens, this goes back to the chapter on miracles and being able to recognize that you are working in tandem with the universe to create these miracles. That’s a beautiful dance scenario. And listen, this may take years, it’s going to take years, I don’t know, most most people, it’s going to take years, it’s going to take time to get better and better and better at it, and perhaps even decades deal is you got to persist, you got to keep up on it. And you cannot fail, right? If this is your approach, if you’re letting go of negative emotions, if you’re working towards the greater good for everybody, then you really can’t, you can’t fail. So it gives an exercise of the other sensitive universe. So you’re going to pick one, you’re gonna pick one week, we picked to one hour time slots, where whatever it is that you do, you were doing for the sole benefit of others involved, right, you’re going to listen actively. And what that means is you’re going to listen, to listen, not to respond. Another way of active listening is, and this is I forget the name of the book, motivational interviewing, really great book that was created for

addictions. And people in rehab, however, is very useful in coaching. And anywhere really, you teaches you how to actively listen very well. So you’ll listen to somebody, they’ll talk, maybe you’ll ask him a couple questions. And it’s a little It is like he Miller’s the author. So one of the things that he recommends, and this is listen for for two lines, and then you’ll kind of reflect back to them. Right? Listen, question, question, reflect back actively, you know, what you just heard summarize it. And there’s different ways to do that. So, but while you’re doing that, too, you will think of ways that you can be of service to them? How can you help this person move forward, again, you know, positive momentum, or, you know, deal with their situation, or just, maybe you’re just there to listen, and that’s okay, too. So you’re going to practice, you can practice this with strangers anonymously, right? You don’t have to tell somebody that you’re doing this and you can you can you think of ways that you can be service to them, and you just go do it. And what you want to do is you want to take me my an eye out of the picture while you’re listening. So, you know, especially those variables, and then don’t just go give everything away, right, don’t just let it all go. Given this comes from Buddhism, and you give with wisdom, right, you know, give with wisdom give with, like, where you you feel like, it’s going to have the most impact and, and that’s one way to kind of approach that as well. Be creative, there’s so many ways that you can go out there and you know, help make somebody’s day or help this, you know, person out and in a one hour time slot. And so ideally each day, you know, so you’re going to do that, right. And then there’s other pieces, so each day, deliberately and consciously do more than one thing to make the world a little bit better. One of the ways that that I found are a couple of ways, especially given our social media nature is hey, you know, go out there and given give out some LinkedIn recommendations, right? Maybe you’ve got a friend that’s written a book, go leave Amazon book review. Maybe you have a friend who’s got an Etsy shop, share their shop, buy something from them. Maybe again, that’s the you know, same for people that have written a book, a friend of yours writes a book, don’t ask for them to give you a copy, buy a copy, support them. That’s what support is support isn’t reading it for free. It’s going out there and you know, how can you support that person and give them some encouragement to help move them forward? I’ll be practical and empathize. Your attitude I’ve got here in parentheses is is actually your approach. So attitude is actually your approach. It is super important to not expect gratitude from others for what you’ve done, rather be grateful that they have allowed you to serve them. Right be grateful they’ve accepted your gifts. You know, essentially with the universe moving through you creative source moving through you has given you the capacity to gift to that person. So you’re able to serve and that is a gift right that they’re they’re giving you a gift by by allowing you to serve each day make someone’s day is another piece of this. Hi, again, I go back to the LinkedIn recommendation somebody on Facebook, so on Insta share their share their post, make a comment You know, show them that they’re not alone and whatever it is that they’re going for and doing. That’s these are super simple ways that you can help make someone’s day friend alien that I’m doing this with, you know, she writes, she writes a newsletter, maybe you get somebody newsletter reply back to the newsletter, and and say, Hey, I really appreciate you know what you wrote here today, thanks for sharing. And oh, I didn’t see it. From my perspective, just a little bit of there are so many I know, there’s so many newsletters out there and so many materials out there. But some of these are genuine and written from the heart and not strictly written to get you into their program. Right. Some of these are true, true things. So what do we got here? That’s one way you can make someone’s day, eventually, you know, this practice becomes a part of your life. It’s not just, it’s not just Hey, I did this for the one week. Now, how many of these can string together? Like with meditation with exercise? How many of these great moments Can you string together in your life? Where it’s consistent, and it’s a steady flow of the universe giving through you to how cool is that, right?

So the idea, though, is that this is true of all the practices in this book. This isn’t just for the duration of going through this book or doing these exercises. It’s for the rest of your life, right? I mean, it says, you know, appearance isn’t something that’s going to happen in days or weeks. Now, that being said, you will notice, like almost immediately the benefits, but imagine, you know, just how great the benefits are in such a short period of time. Right? Well, those benefits be over time. However, there’s benefits pay over time. So it’s common for this is under helpful hands. As we finish up the exercise of the other centered universe, it is common for others to feel dejected, if they do not get the response that they’re looking for. Now, listen, if this happens to you stop, stop at. Focus on how you are feeling. When you do what you set out to do. Focus on how you’re feeling when you are giving or when you are in the process of doing it. Not so much the outcome. Obviously, you want to give the gift you want to serve in some capacity and manner. It’s while you are doing that, that you feel great. And oftentimes, you know, if somebody does react positively, you’re great. And you know, that’s a good feeling. But if if they aren’t responding the way that you feel like they should just stop it, relax, chill. Let’s step back a second focus on what it is that you set out to do. What was your intention when you got out there to go do it and eventually, you will find joy in what you do, and not the results that you get. I think that that bears repeating, you will find joy in what you do, not the results that you get. So there’s always some way to make someone’s day Don’t be lazy, figure it out. And then finally, you know, keep a journal so you can flip back and reflect on how this process has been working out for you. So had to whip through that one wanted to get it out there for you. This weekend will be the release of Sreekumar Rao’s podcast super excited about that, as I have been with so many others in and this is it’s it’s interesting the journey that this podcast is going on. So anyways, take it easy, don’t have a sign off and we’ll chat later.

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