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I had the opportunity to meet Jesse in person years ago… and what a powerful presence… more I spoke with him and learned about him… the more I knew that he needed to be on this podcast!

As you know, I get to help people cultivate their experiences, uncover the transformational principles that are hidden beneath the surface, and convert those principles into a message they can monetize. As an author, speaker, coach, and executive producer I understand the value of an authentic message. A story that is birthed by a major test that produces transformation.

My clients desire authentic encouragement, graceful accountability, and a safe space to develop their message, free from judgment. Ultimately, they want to use their experiences to empower others.

You might not know that in addition to coaching, I am a husband, a father, and the oldest of my parents four children. I believe that my family is the true expression of my purpose and assignment in action. Over the years I’ve helped my parents launch several soul-food restaurants and plant and lead a few churches. I also worked in the field of education for 15 years. I acknowledge that these are all avenues from which God has been able to get His work done through me. So, for me, platform building has been my lived experience. But it hasn’t been an easy journey.

Head on over to Kingdom Mogul Coaching to connect with Jesse today.

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spiritual dope today I have a very, very special guest for us, Coach Jesse Cole. Jesse is, not only is he a coach, he’s a husband, a father. He’s out there he’s doing. He’s helped his parents lost several soul food restaurants. He’s helped plant and lead a few churches. It’s been in the field of education for 15 years. I mean, Jesse, you’re out there. You’re doing you’re doing TV shows. Now. You’re doing a coaching you’re I mean, you got some? I know you do. You’ve written a couple books at least. Right? So you, you’re all out there and man, I want to say it. But I know this is your line, please. I always love hearing you say What? You know, I’ll make I’ll make your page me Jesse. What’s the first thing that says there? What do you want to become? Depends on your willingness to become always man every time makes me feel so good to hear you say. So glad to have you on. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you for inviting me. Oh, man. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, so here’s how I start off every one of these. I’m so excited. First of all to have you on I know you and I we go back always now. So I feel like this one’s much, much more in your wheelhouse. Not, not much morning, we’ll have something last one, you were almost like fatherhood for the rest of us. Right. And

your father’s that was in her wheelhouse, too. This one is also in your wheelhouse. So very excited to have you on for it. Um, I feel like, you know, God, you know, definitely got it for you. Right speaks through us, right. And he speaks through us, for other people to hear us. And in that, in that you and I are having this conversation it is for somebody who is listening today. And they can only get a message that’s coming from God through you to them today. What is that message?

Jesse Cole 1:52
Learn how to wrist.

Brandon Handley 1:56
Yeah, tell me more about that.

Jesse Cole 1:57
Yeah, man, learn how to rest this is something that I’ve been learning how to do for about about the last year or so, you know, we are in this hustle and grind culture. Everybody’s going after trying to get the bag trying to, you know, grind it out. And one thing that God has taught me is that

his grace is better than my grind.

I can get more accomplished, you can get more accomplished through me

if I learned how to how to rest and flow in him. And when I first got that revelation, or that message, or whatever you want to call it, it is it was foreign to me because you know, probably like you and a lot of your listeners. We are high achievers, we’re actively engaged and, you know, trying to accomplish some goal whether you try to be a better father or a husband or a business leader or whatever, you try to do civic leader, we’re actively engaged in trying to accomplish something. And oftentimes, we can lean on our own understanding our own, influence our own education or frameworks, whatever you want to call it. We try to get that done. And we forget that it’s got to be has given us that talent Anyway, you know, he’s given us purpose. He’s given us an assignment anyway. So he knows how to do it better than we do. And so leaning into him, gives us the unfair advantage, meaning we can get more done by resting in him, then we can do by grinding it out ourselves.

Brandon Handley 3:40
Yeah, man that is perfect. Is that now? By no means? Am I familiar with Scripture? like so much right. But is that along the lines of he has ways we know not of type thing, right?

Jesse Cole 3:51
I’m the same way man. Listen, my dad, my dad is a password evangelist. But I don’t mean that I’m somebody who’s pulpit You don’t understand. So I grew up. I grew up in that house. So I can, you know, you can sit down with my dad, he can close scripture. I know what’s in there. A lot of times, I don’t know where it is. I got a trip to my Bible app to find it. But I know it’s in there. So I want to be I don’t want to come off as one of those people. That’s like super super churchy, and super, you know, bible thumper like, that is not me, right? But because I have relationship and it is growing with God. I understand that. My life can only be good by being led by him. Like, I really believe that. And so yeah, I try to stay in relationship with him. It’s not It’s not about religion. For me. It’s about relationship, and that that’s much more impactful.

Brandon Handley 4:43
Well, you know, what’s pretty cool here. I mean, that’s exactly how this podcast is kind of real similar to your story, right? As I as I go over and I look at your kingdom mobile coaching website, and I go to meet Jesse. There’s a bit in there that says, you know, You went most of your life, just kind of on your own talents and skills. Right? And then there was a moment that you had, that you were like, life change. Let’s talk about that for me, because that’s a lot about what this podcast is about. So wants to share that with the listeners.

Jesse Cole 5:19
So what did you read? So I can make sure I’m telling you that

Unknown Speaker 5:23
there are a lot of you guys. I mean,

Brandon Handley 5:25
your your, your prayer walk right. Well, coming up. Yeah. Before you jumped into before you jumped into this space right now.

Jesse Cole 5:33
Yeah. So right before that, I believe I had just got fired from my job, right. As you mentioned, I’d worked with an education for like, close to 15 years. I started off as a substitute teacher making like $80 a day before taxes. And then that was how I first got into education. And from there, he was the Dean of Students, basketball coach, choir teacher, parent teacher liaison, like, almost every other year was, you know, it was I was going up. And so my last year in education, I was actually working on a college campus as a success coach, meaning I would help students pretty much not drop out of school because it was too hard. So the program was ending and the funding was coming to a close. That’s what they told me. They let me go. And I was at a point where, okay, what’s like, what’s next? what’s what’s next? Because I don’t want to do this anymore. So, so what’s next? And so I went on this walk, one Sunday morning, I think it was like, May, somewhere around there, seven, eight o’clock in the morning, through my hoodie. And I heard, you know, heard God say, I want to talk to you, knowing God speaks to us through Holy Spirit. So it was it wasn’t like an audible voice. It was, you know, God’s Spirit, like God talking to my spirit. Like, that’s how I heard you. Get up, I need to talk to you going this way. I went on this walk plugged in my earphones, plugged them into my phone. And as I began to walk, I began to hear, he began to give me instruction on what Kindle mobile was supposed to be, from the books, to the coaching programs, to the conferences, to everything that I’m doing right now. I heard close to two and a half years ago. And as I was hearing it, I was speaking it into my phone. And I would listen to that recording over and over and over again for weeks on end, until it got burned into my brain to where I didn’t have to listen to it anymore. Now, I began to walk it out. And I haven’t listened to the recording in about a year or so I actually lost it in my old phone. I don’t even have it anymore. But it’s so ingrained in this type

Brandon Handley 7:54
of thing you put on a Google Drive Jesse something.

Jesse Cole 7:57
Know what that’s that’s a different story. It’s so ingrained that I’m beginning to walk it out. And I looked at my vision board because I I wrote the stuff down and looked at my vision board, and over 80% of that stuff that was spoke to me spoken to me on that morning, either I’ve already done it, or I’m walking in it right now.

Brandon Handley 8:20
Yeah, that’s fantastic. So if on a timeline then that’s 2018.

Jesse Cole 8:27
Quote, like maybe before the summer of 2017, somewhere around there, so there’s that like, right about when we met then was that what was that?

Brandon Handley 8:35
That was the Crowley event. Yeah, that was like 2017 that was 16 those 17

Jesse Cole 8:40
was 17 happened around the same time.

Brandon Handley 8:44
Okay, okay. All right. Yeah, man and and you know, here’s the thing that I think Yeah, I feel like after I think about seven months or so after that event, like I had something similar happen to me right like, you know, Touched by an Angel or whatever you want to call it right? Just a moment where just like, that just happened. Right? detaches happen, and you’re like, it’s a little it’s a little unsettling because you got so much you know, you got the you got the lifeforce you got you know, God energy you filled with it. Right. And, and the thing is, is I can listen to you, I think, you know, and I can hear the difference between before and after. Right, there’s a whole different Jesse, from before and after that event, right from from kind of when you were you when you when you had that message delivered to you right, and you started walking it out, talking it out and walking it out. Yeah, I mean, and and, you know, I’m just kind of bouncing off because this and similar thing happened with Father who for the rest of us, right, like I had to talk it out like the one I started talking it. It started to I started talking so much it had I had no choice. Yeah, right. So that’s really cool to hear, you know, just kind of hearing your journey. Well, let’s talk about now, how you’re applying that to your business, right? Because that’s another piece that is a challenge, right one now Now you’ve got that you’ve been touched by it. And you’re like, if I lead with this, there’s a lot of people that might not respect me, I might not be able to do the business, I’d like to do that kind of thing. So let’s talk about like, getting through that, and then doing it.

Jesse Cole 10:30
So I’ll preface it by saying this, there is no separation between my faith and my business. There isn’t, yeah, one one informs the other. And without that I couldn’t do what I’m doing. It actually drives my business, you know, I help people grow their faith as they grow their business. And so in the beginning, you know, when I met you, when it was new to me, I felt as if I had to, and I can say this with all clarity, I had to present myself in a certain way, whether you want to say polished or scripted, like I felt as if I had to present my way like that was that way, in order to be respected for the work that I’ve that I’m doing. And so the messaging hasn’t changed a bit. The same thing you heard me say in that room, I still talk about that stuff. That’s still my same message. Right? But the way that I show up is different. Right? One of my mentors asked me recently, she said, Jesse, I’ve seen a difference in you over the last year or so what’s the difference? And I said, You know what? I’ve taken the tie off. That’s it, huh?

Brandon Handley 11:37
Nice.

Jesse Cole 11:38
Nice. Oh, and you know that and that’s just that the symbolism where, where I felt as if I don’t have to be all buttoned up anymore. If I don’t want to be I still like dressing up.

Brandon Handley 11:46
Look at you look good. dressed up. I don’t know. No reason not to write.

Jesse Cole 11:50
I love it makes me feel good. Sure. But it’s because I want to not because I feel like I have to go to for somebody to respect me or to receive me that. So that’s the biggest prints that I’ve that I’ve had since the first time that you and I met man. And so yeah, what was your question? I think I got I went down a rabbit hole.

Brandon Handley 12:12
I went with you. It’s you know, so you said it right. There’s no separation between your faith and your business. The question is, though, is like, you know, leading with that, and and, you know, what? Was it a challenge for you to step into that space immediately where there’s some fears? You know, let’s talk about that. And how do you kind of got past them? And, and what happened? Right, let’s talk about the journey.

Jesse Cole 12:38
So when I first began, when I first launched, I was trying to sign I was trying to sign up for a networking groups and go into all these networking things. And they were actually, you know, Jessie, what do you do? And I’m like, I’m a CEO of T Mobile coaching to help you grow your faith as you grow your business. Right? proud. I still am proud. Yeah. Crickets, like nobody anything. Because when people hear the word faith, they equate that to religion. Mm hmm. They equate that to, oh, I gotta go to church every Sunday. Right? Right. And maybe how I was showing up, kind of perpetuated that as well. But when I hear faith, I don’t just hear, I don’t hear religion. Like, it took me a while to learn how to help people understand what faith is. So if you are a CEO of a company, it requires faith for you to show up every day to lead your team. Right? If you are a salesperson, and you got to make 80 calls a day, that requires faith because out of those 80 cars, you might get hung up on 7070 times. So what’s what’s keeping you making those calls? What, what what keeps you motivated to make those calls every day? There’s something bigger that you’re thinking of. It requires faith. It requires faith for a father, to raise his children. It requires faith for a mother to stay married like it. Faith is in everything that we do, right? Yeah. And so teaching people that faith doesn’t mean, I got to go to church every Sunday, or I got to pray for 30 minutes a day, or I got to read the whole Bible five times a year. If you do that, that’s fine. Sure. If you feel like that’s what you’d be allowed to do, that’s fine. But that’s not what faith is. Faith comes through relationship. Faith comes through through hearing, being able to hear what God is saying to you. And then not only that, being obedient to what what you hear you know, I’m saying so that’s what that’s that’s how faith works. And so really trying to break down or help reframe what faith looks like to people in their in their different marketplaces like that was my biggest challenge, man. helping people understand that I’m not talking about church. Sure. Talking about relationship.

Brandon Handley 15:03
Where now so where do you feel like you kind of had the big, biggest breakthroughs on some of that, where you realized how you were being received and how to make the transition,

Jesse Cole 15:14
without watering down the message? That’s right. Because Because the message is the message. I don’t feel like I have to chase anybody for business. I don’t feel like I have to adapt to market trends to get business. I believe that if I am just faithful to what God told me to do, if I just prosper where I’m planting, then the right people are going to find the fruit that’s on my tree. You never see an apple knocking on somebody’s door and saying, Hey, I’m apple. No, if you went to Apple, you got to go to the apple tree. Right. And so if you are faithful to what you’ve been put into your, your purpose in your assignment, right, your purpose is why you were created. And your assignment is how you demonstrate that in various environments. So I believe that my purpose in life was to encourage and equip leaders to become the better version of themselves. That’s my purpose. So what is my assignment? is how I do that, as a father, how do I do that for my children? How do I do that with my wife? If you meet me in the grocery store? How can I do that? Then, like that is my assignment, right? How do I demonstrate it? And once you know what that is, you unstoppable. Stop.

Brandon Handley 16:31
So prosper. I’m planning. Nothing better than that. Right? I think that’s fantastic. here’s, here’s a question, though. You know, you hear the messages maybe from God, right? And you want to be obedient to it? How can you be certain like when when do you get to determine that that’s the right message that you’re receiving? That’s in alignment with like, your purpose and stuff, right? Or if it’s just like another squirrel.

Jesse Cole 17:05
A lot of squirrels man, where it was right. And, um, and I fallen guilty to that I’ve fallen prey to that I’m candy. I’m not even gonna lie to you. It doesn’t. It’s not it’s not a perfect journey. But it’s purposeful. I like that. It’s not perfect. It’s not purpose. It’s not perfect, but it’s purpose.

Brandon Handley 17:21
It’s recorded, we got you

Jesse Cole 17:24
had to remind myself that. And so how the purpose of Holy Spirit is to lead to teach, and to lead and guide us into our truth. Right. That’s the purpose of God’s Spirit is to teach us and to lead us into our truth. And so when I hear instructions from God, I believe that is because Holy Spirit is speaking to me. And Holy Spirit is not going to tell me anything that’s opposite of what God wants to happen in my life. Right? So if I’m hearing these instruction, no matter how crazy it may seem, My responsibility is to receive it. And be obedient to demonstrating

Brandon Handley 18:12
give me a crazy one, like what? So what’s a crazy one you’ve been obedient to? Which is like, I don’t even know.

Jesse Cole 18:18
Okay, so I don’t even know. So recently, so I just got done with a six week coaching program that I called Kingdom confidence, right? So typically, when you have a coaching program, you have a framework, you got a marketing campaign, you got to promote it, all this stuff. So let me tell you how this thing came to me. I was in the middle of recording a podcast. And as I’m recording this podcast, Holy Spirit says, when you get done with this, take your phone out and shoot a video and talk about Kingdom confidence. Now I like I know what Kingdom competence is. I was like writing. I have some notes in my journal that pretty much had Kingdom confidence, right? So I had I had an idea of what he was talking about. But I didn’t intend on making it into a coaching program just yet, because it was just still fresh to me. He said, when you get off of this podcast, take your phone out, record a video saying that you’re launching a free six week coaching program called Kingdom confidence. And this is what it’s going to be about. Now, Brandon, I didn’t have any marketing behind it. No graphics. No, nothing. All I had was some notes. Right, right. And a cell phone. That’s right, said okay. I know what I heard. I’m about to do it. Right here. My phone. Oh, hey, I’m launching a six week free coaching program called Kingdom confidence. This was going to be about right. I didn’t have anything set up as far as payment gateway. Well, it was free. So when the payment gateways, I didn’t have a zoom set up to handle leads, and I had none at all I had was the instruction to do right now, after I gave after I posted that video on my social media. I said, You know what, it’d be nice if I had like, 40 people sign up for this thing. Yeah. Right. So by the end of that whole thing, 35 people signed up for it. So we almost hit the go. And every week for six weeks for 90 minutes. 22 people consistently showed up for this coaching program. That’s nice, man. Yeah, right. Yeah. I didn’t know that all I had was notes. Sure. I, but my responsibility was just to be obedient to what I heard, and to, and to provide the environment for God to do what he wanted to do. I was just facilitating the environment, but he already had it worked out.

Brandon Handley 20:51
Yeah. That’s great. I love that. It’s just like, we just like we started off the beginning this conversation, right? God speaking to you, because you got to reach those people. Right? I think it might have been you, too, when we were when we were at that event, talking about like, if you don’t go and do the thing, that God’s kind of speaking through you spirit universe, whatever, right? thing you’re not getting, you’re not getting to that other person that needs you.

Jesse Cole 21:17
Yeah, somebody needs your message. Right? And sometimes we get caught up in trying to do a perfect man. Not me, man. Or we look at what everybody else is doing. And we compare, yeah, asked, but you got to understand that you are your unique being, nobody can do it like you. Nobody can shoot this podcast like you. Nobody can. Nobody can speak like you, I believe that if you put me on the stage with the best speakers in the world, I’m gonna still stand out Why? Because I’m comfortable doing it like I do it. We can be talking about the same message, we can have the same script, but nobody’s gonna do it like Jessica, nobody’s gonna do it, like branded. And it’s not, um, it’s not a conceited or pride. It’s like, no, this is what I’m called to be. There’s somebody in this audience, right? Somebody in the world who needs what I have, they need just what I have to help them get a breakthrough. And if I don’t show up, they wouldn’t get that breakthrough.

Brandon Handley 22:16
100%. Right. 100%, I love to what you’re saying is, is a really how I roll. This is my third podcast now. First one, I did not go and see kind of what everybody else was doing. I did not go check and see what everybody else is into. I knew that. If I did that, a, I go try and copy. So I ended up copying somebody by accident wouldn’t be on purpose. But like, once that stuff gets seated, you got you have no choice, right? You’re like, Oh, that was supposed to be done this way. And same thing with the other two, right? And all the same. And, and just like you’re saying, You You’re resonating, you’re resonating, you’re like a bell man, like I’m like a bell. We’re both like bells, right? But we’re gonna have a totally different sound that one or another person’s gonna know be appealed to. Right. And and, you know, we’re showing up. So we’re showing off so other people can show up, right?

Jesse Cole 23:17
Yeah, I won’t hurt somebody right now that’s listening. That know, you may feel like you don’t have enough or you don’t have enough experience or whatever. Listen, all you have to do is just show up the best way you know how. And over time, the message is going to get clear, your methods are going to be become more quote unquote, polished, but you got to start. You have to you have to get started. No more analysis paralysis, we can look at what everybody else is doing. And we can look at our strategy. But if you don’t take that first step, you never know what that first step is going to feel like

Brandon Handley 23:59
to step out in faith and step out in faith, you got to step out in faith. I mean, you gotta you gotta believe that, you know, just like Jesse, you’re hearing Jesse here, talk about his message. And you know, just following some of these things that don’t make the most sense. But sometimes you just do them without these crazy expectations. And those are the ones that didn’t pan out.

Jesse Cole 24:20
Right? And even even if it doesn’t, quote unquote, pan out, you are obedient. Because you because you learned the lesson. Like there are a lot of things that I stood I stepped out on faith. And it didn’t pan out like I thought it was gonna pan out. But the lessons that I’ve learned in that journey, or in that experience helped me for the next thing, right. So as far as like there’s in the kingdom of God, there’s nothing lost. There’s no there’s nothing lost in the kingdom of God.

Brandon Handley 24:50
Tell me more about that. Like I don’t know, I’ve never heard that before. What’s that mean?

Jesse Cole 24:54
So if if you believe that if you believe that Jesus Christ at the center God if you believe that God is your is your is the father of everything, he’s your Creator, right? he is he is the head over everything right Kingdom means God’s influence in the earth, right? And so in, in God, there’s nothing lost. There’s like no experiences is lost, no question is too dumb No, like no hurt is, is everything is valuable. And the world, you know, we have this canceled culture where we try to devalue people. But when it comes to God, your Creator, right, you’re the person who made you, when it comes to him, there is nothing lost, nothing is too small for him to work with. You know that there’s a scripture says if you have faith, it’s the size of a mustard seed, right? If you know what a mustard seed is, that’s one of the smallest seeds that he got that much faith, you can move mountains, if you got that much belief. You can you can you can speak to a mountain and tell it to be cast into the sea. If you believe in Don’t doubt there’s nothing lost in the kingdom of God, every thing is valuable. There’s a story about Jesus. When he was in a temple, and people were giving offerings, you have people that were rich people giving offerings, but then there’s one lady walked up and all she gave was to mites was like equal to like a penny. So you got these people giving, quote, unquote, millions of dollars in offering. But you’ve got this poor lady coming up giving to small pennies. Right? And Jesus says she gave all she had her name will pretty much ring bells forever.

Brandon Handley 26:45
Wow.

Jesse Cole 26:46
Yeah. You know, I’m saying there’s nothing too small. There’s nothing lost. So if you’re going through some kind of trauma, some kind of abuse, some kind of hardship, and you feel as if God can’t work with that, Oh, yes, he can. I have clients right now that have gone through drug abuse, sexual abuse, molestation, lost kids in their building platforms, from that trauma, there’s nothing loss.

Brandon Handley 27:15
Talk about that, you know, building from that trauma, right? Like you said, Here, everything is valuable. And I recall, you know, telling my story once upon a time, and somebody was asking me, okay, what makes you different from the rest of the groups and all the other people out there doing what you’re doing? And so I got my story. And he goes, everybody’s got a story. I was like, that’s cold. So, basically, you know, so sounds to me, like these people have stories? What do you do with that?

Jesse Cole 27:49
Yeah. So with the kingdom platforms coaching program, what we do is, we help you identify what your story is in your trauma. And we pull the transformational principles from that, from that story. And we help you develop those principles into a book, and empowerment program, and a event, whether it’s a live event or a virtual event. So we’re helping you monetize your story pretty much.

Brandon Handley 28:15
What are some of those transformational principles? Jesse? Yeah.

Jesse Cole 28:18
So this is this is this is this, we talked about faith and craziness. This is crazy, right? And so everybody’s story has different transformational principles. So I can’t say, here’s my framework for transmitting transformational principles. This is how it’s gonna work. Now, I don’t work like that, right, Mike? is being able to hear somebody’s story and fill in the gaps, right? So you can, you can sit here we can, you can tell me your story. And then 10 minutes, we can have eight chapters for your book.

Brandon Handley 28:49
Because that 10 minutes,

Jesse Cole 28:50
that’s my, that’s my gift, is the gift of listening, and being able to fill in the gaps, right? For me. In this coaching program, excuse me, it’s not about graceful accountability. So now that we are partnering in this coaching program, and now that I have your story, right, and when we put these principles out, now, you You’re, you’re accountable to developing these principles. So the whole coaching Pro, the whole coaching process is us developing the lessons in these principles, which become your book, and from that book, your coaching or your empowerment program comes from that your modules, right. And from that, now you can have any event.

Brandon Handley 29:37
Sure. That’s fantastic. That’s awesome. I love I love how you’re, you’re guiding people, right? You’re helping them to see who they truly are, right? Sounds like right, like, hey, that’s great. Here’s your story. But here’s what you really just told me. Right? And then you know, we’re going to pull out of that story. These amazing things that maybe you didn’t see Because you’re too close to the source, right, you’re too close to the source. That’s not you know, those ends up becoming their pillars. They get to build everything on.

Jesse Cole 30:08
Right. Right. And the good thing about a story is, it’s always unfolding, right? So as long as you’re alive, you want to be able to add to that story, because you’re going to be learning new lessons. Sure. never stops. That’s best. Pretty cool. So

Brandon Handley 30:23
do you feel like, you know, after after your clients go through the coaching with you? Now they get to they, they, they understand how to see their own principles. Now, as they develop?

Jesse Cole 30:37
Where do you pay depends on the person, right? Depends on know where they are in life and things like that, my responsibility, my only responsibility is to show you how your story can impact other people impact the lives of others, to help you build a framework around your story, and then monetize that framework. That’s my responsibility, right. And so some of some of that some of the things as far as my clients from the past, and I have right now, again, I told you, I have some people that are going, you know, overcoming certain types of abuse, right. And so the most, the the most transformational part for me as a coach is helping them to walk with them as they relive these, these these traumatic events, right? Because as they’re writing it out, it’s bringing back memories is bringing back hurt is bringing back these emotions, right? And so now they have a safe place to to like, filter through those emotions, and then pull those principles out through through the coaching program and like up, Grant, I love what I do, Brandon.

Brandon Handley 31:46
I know. I know you do. I know you do. That’s why I love I love catching up with you. I love seeing you do your work. And I know that it’s purposeful and meaningful for you. Yeah. And and it shows it shows I mean, talk about so. So again, you know, we met up several years ago, you’re doing you’re doing the mogul, Kingdom mogul. But now you’re also got a show, right? Don’t you have a TV show?

Jesse Cole 32:12
Yeah, so I work with one of the local TV stations here in my city. And so I work part time there. But I also have my own show called Kingdom platforms, right. And a podcast called Kingdom mobile podcast. But the kingdom platform show is going to choose me is going to be relaunched in January. We just got some distribution here in the city in March in the Metro Detroit area for three cable stations and like 144,000 cable subscribers, I want to be able to be able to watch the show, weekly, you know, so pretty much what I’m doing right now with you. I’ll be doing that with other business leaders talking about their platforms and how they are applying faith to their business

Brandon Handley 32:55
plan. Okay. That’s fantastic. And but I think that this is still fantastic that the idea that it came to you would you call this a vision, right? Where did it come to you in a vision? And now you’re just kind of you’re playing that out?

Jesse Cole 33:13
It came to me? I didn’t I didn’t see it until after I received the instructions. Sure. Yeah. It came to me through a prayer walk.

Brandon Handley 33:21
Okay, I was listening.

Jesse Cole 33:22
As I was walking, I wasn’t listening. And after I got it off, then I began to see it through an act of obedience. But here’s the thing, clarity plus obedience equals success. People want clarity all the time. But once you get the instruction, if you’re not obedient to the instruction, you’re not going to be able to receive or get the results that you desire, or that you’re supposed to have clarity, plus obedience. That’s what equals success.

Brandon Handley 33:50
Without when you say obedience, would you liken that to like intuition?

Jesse Cole 33:56
lunches? No,

Brandon Handley 33:58
I helped me out with because I mean, I mean, if I if I, if I get the clarity? Well, I mean, then yeah, it’s not like kind of intuition or, or something like that. What does obedience mean?

Jesse Cole 34:11
Well, in the beginning of our conversation, we were talking about relationship. You have you have two sons, right? That’s right. And so you’re their father, right? You know, you provide for them? Yes, sir. We’re creating an environment where they can thrive. standards and your household

Brandon Handley 34:32
did this, I’d like to believe to

Jesse Cole 34:34
wash the dishes, you know, right. So you give them instructions. They have. They have a choice to be obedient to those instructions or not. And there are consequences for both. Right. And so for us as believers, for those of us who believe that Jesus is the Son of God, and that God is the Father, and the Holy Spirit is our comforter, our teacher God has given us instruction, through Holy Spirit. Once you get that instruction, you have a responsibility to be obedient to do what you hurt. So, when I’m talking about obeyed, I’m talking about do what you hear. So this is not intuition. This is not, um, nothing else outside of being obedient to what you hear. And you can only hear if you are in relationship,

Brandon Handley 35:28
if you already tapped in, don’t just saying yes. So I mean, that’s important, too, because I mean, we can go all the way back to beginning where you’re, you know, I’m trying to where’s the piece that talks about? You? You? You did it all through talent first, right, talent and skill first, but I think that once you get tapped in you develop this relationship. It’s a whole, it’s a whole new relationship.

Jesse Cole 35:52
Different levels? Definitely. I

Brandon Handley 35:53
mean, it, you know, I always talk about it in terms of, you know, in terms of awareness, right, of, you know, becoming more aware of what’s already kind of there, right, you’re like this, is that relationship, Jessie, correct me if I’m wrong, had been available to you your entire life, yes or no? Absolutely. And it wasn’t the problem comes a certain point in your life when you accept that relationship.

Jesse Cole 36:19
Absolutely.

Brandon Handley 36:20
And it’s Once you accept that relationship, that there it’s just like, there’s this powerful merger. And, and you’re You, you, you’re able to kind of gain that clarity that you’re talking about. prosper, where you’re planted. And then like, really, really, you know, take develop that purpose, right. And you’ve got a comfort and walking in faith. Because, you know, this relationship is genuine.

Jesse Cole 36:51
Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, man. So like it. I’ve, I’ve been able, I don’t know, and I’m kind of leery of saying hi, because it’s not about me. But what I’ve been able to experience over time through relationship is that I get more done. When I don’t try to do it myself. I get more done. When I am getting instruction, from God, the Holy Spirit, because he sees that I can’t see the end. He sees the end. And so his instruction is leading me to an intended target. But something I can’t see. Sure, oh, if I’m not obedient, I won’t be able to reap the benefits of that relationship, like like he would want for me to do right. Sure. Now, I’ve learned that I’ve been able to gain more or do more, with less, because I’m in relationship. Before this call, I was on a call with the client, right? We were talking about flow. And I gave her this analogy of an athlete, I played college basketball, so I can break it down this way. There were times where I may have scored 25 points, 12 rebounds, two blocks, two steals. And at the end of the game, somebody might have said, Yes, did you know that these were your stats, I’m like, not even know it. Why? Because I was in flow. I wasn’t I wasn’t like I’m about to score 2522. And two, it just happened. Because I was so tapped in to the flow. And because I was tapped into the flow and not trying to force it, I was able to get those statistics. That’s what happens with relationships. When you are you know, you use the word tapped in when you are obedient. When you are tapped in, you’re able to get more accomplished with less effort. And that wipes out the whole grinding and hustling piece,

Brandon Handley 38:49
which is which is great. Right? Which is great. You said it too early. It’s funny, because I feel like I’m learning that more of myself this past year as well, right? If I step back a little bit, I can allow for the space to be filled up with what I’m looking for, right? Because if I’m standing right here, in in this space, nothing can come into it, right? I can’t receive anything if I’m standing in the way, all that stuff, right? So there’s this, this is kind of a catch 22, though, isn’t adjusted, because if I’m in the flow, and I’m just dealing with things that are right, and they’re coming to me, how can I have a goal? How can I have a plan, right? That’s to me, always kind of confused, still kind of confusing to me, right? Like, I’m like, these are things I would like in my life. But I don’t want to put so much pressure on them that, you know, I’m upset if they don’t show up or I feel like I’m doing all the work, that kind of thing. So you know what, how do you feel about that?

Jesse Cole 39:42
Let me read you something. I’m glad you said that and read you something. Because oftentimes we try to we try to put our plans in front of God’s plans. He’s our Creator. He’s the one who’s given us purpose. Right? And so he knows what’s best. For us not saying that we’re not smart, and that we don’t have education, and no, we have freewill. And we still have that. But his ways are not our ways. His thoughts are not our thoughts. He knows the end from the beginning, right. And so once you once we learn how to relinquish our own self control, and our own agenda, and submit to what he wants to do, then our desires become his desires. Because he knows what’s best for us. Right? Let me read this to you, Thomas, Matthew 11, verse 28, through 30. And this is when Jesus was talking about flow, talked about flow. Jesus says, Are you tired, worn out, burned out on religion? Come to me, get away with me, and you will recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me. Watch how I do it. Like this. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill fitting on you. keep company with me. And you will learn how to live freely and lightly. I love that.

Brandon Handley 41:21
Yeah. How can you not

Jesse Cole 41:22
like that right there? And this is Jesus, the Son of God talking to his disciples, right? who are who are businessman fishermen and tax collectors in Oh, they were they were in the marketplace.

Brandon Handley 41:36
They were grinding it out. Right?

Jesse Cole 41:37
People who are used to again, yeah, grinding it out. But he’s telling them listen, Take my yoke upon you, like learn from me. I want to show you how to live a life that’s free and light and unforced. Right? I don’t know stuff, anybody listening right now. But up until this point, I can tell you that there are some times in my life where my grind and my hustle made life hard, right? About to be 42 years old and minute. And I live in a life and free life. And Jesus says that when we follow Him, when we do it the way that he does it, that how life was intended to do it to be to be lived, then we can experience that. And then our desires No longer are our own desires. Our desires, and God’s desires began to mesh there’s a thread of connectivity between them both right, then we can have even more than we’ve ever expected. And here’s, here’s the issue though. Humans don’t like to let go of control. Hmm. We love to have control. We’ve been taught, especially those of us who are leaders, you got to be in control. You got to have the authority. Right? God is saying, I’m the authority. Let me show you how to live this life. Follow me. Right.

Brandon Handley 42:59
Yeah. I think that’s fantastic. Because I don’t know how to create life. But here I am. And I’m alive. Right? So some pretty powerful stuff. I can’t even tell you how I got here, Jesse. Right. I can’t tell you how my food digests and their science and stuff. But do they really know? You? Don’t I mean, so, like, I’ll eat some food and it gets converted to life. Right? That’s not me doing that. That’s, that’s a, that’s a grand design that was like, sent here implemented, and it’s happening. So I gotta trust. I gotta trust in something much greater than myself that it has made that happen. Right? I know. I know. You call it God. For some reason, I’ve got a mental block on that. So I gotta call it like the universe. I gotta call it a couple of other things. But we’re saying the same thing.

Jesse Cole 43:50
I want to ask you that question. I hear that a lot. And I’m asking you not to judge. This is like, free zone. Why do you think people replace God? With the universe?

Brandon Handley 44:04
Hmm. Well, you know, for me, it’s just kind of a it’s really similar to you, right? Like, when you when you went to and he told people to kind of step into faith or you know, you know, I connect you with your faith and you look the way you did, you’re presenting a message they’re like, I’m not gonna see you. It’s a big sale, Jesse. Right? Like, that’s just like that. They’re not having it. Right. So real similar thing. It’s like a fine line with this. This it’s because it’s been institutionalized. Right, this word, the word has been, it’s been and, and, and the meaning and the truth of it. of God. Right. And and what it’s attached to it. Road is bent, corroded, it’s been it’s just, you know, it just hasn’t. And so now, you know that so now it’s like, Okay, let me try it. Let me try this other thing out. It means exactly. The same thing, right? It’s it serves exactly the same purpose. But this way I can disassociate myself from these institutions. Right? Because then I think that that, that that’s probably about it for me.

Jesse Cole 45:12
I get it. Um, here’s here’s, here’s my thought on that just because something has been marketed wrong doesn’t mean that it’s wrong.

Brandon Handley 45:23
But I don’t disagree. Like I said it’s just a mental block is history it’s straight mental

Jesse Cole 45:28
issues and just in not and again, this is you know, judgment free zone this this for those of us who are those of you who are listening right now, I agree with you, man, like God has been Miss marketing people have been Miss educated on who he is being we. And I know because I grew up in a in a in a house full of ministers, right. And so we we look at God as this one. No, I did in the beginning, especially as a kid, this big old monster in heaven, waiting to pounce on me when I did something wrong. That’s right. Oh, I saw God as a kid. And my friend, that’s

Brandon Handley 46:03
not my friend.

Jesse Cole 46:04
Yeah. That was so I was I was so afraid to go to sleep. Because I knew I did something wrong. And what if I don’t wake up? What if God destroys me in my sleep? Right? And so I was taught that whether it was indirect, I was indirectly taught the fire and brimstone and that God is he’s waiting on you to do something wrong. Right. And until I became older, and I began to seek him out for myself, that I began to see how God is a good father, like he wants good stuff, right? Like, he loves me. He wants to hug me and kiss me and tell me all that good stuff. He wants me to do well, and till I discovered that, that I was able to embrace where I am right now. So yes, you’re right. God has been institutionalized. He’s been given a

Brandon Handley 46:58
unset. I think the deal the deal is really, is if it’s forced on you, you don’t want it right. And Christianity is something that, you know, more often than not, people feel like it’s forced on them. Right now, if you come to me, we have a conversation like you and I are having now I want to come to your house of prayer, I want to come hang out, I want to see what’s going on there. Because I can feel the life coming through you. Right? I’m like, Yeah, let’s go through the same thing. We’re walking with the same person, we’re walking with the same, you know, same life force, right. So it’s when you do what you said, when you start to seek it when you start to, you know, what’s, what’s the line? Right, you know, and all you’re seeking seek understanding. Yeah, right. And all you’re seeking and seek understanding and, and that’s when you begin to see that what’s in that book, those stories, those lessons and all that’s in there. It’s all real, real good stuff. Right. That may have been misrepresented. Right. Or and again, you didn’t have the level of understanding that was necessary. Don’t wait, no, no, no pearls before swine, right? So you don’t have you? You couldn’t you couldn’t understand that stuff. Because even it was right. Funny, right? It was right for your entire life. Like we talked about earlier, this relationship was open to you for your entire life. Right? And you didn’t take it on until you are ready for it. You’re like, you know what? Not right now. I’m not ready. This it just wasn’t your time.

Jesse Cole 48:26
It for me, for me, it wasn’t like not right now. I was not ready. And it was I didn’t know any better. But like a certain a certain message was being put in front of me for so long. That when I finally got up got out of the environment that was perpetuating that message. That’s when I’m, that’s when I figured out that it was more to this than what I was what I had learned. Sure. And I call it I call it the church that killed me. Right? Because for all these years, that was at a time I went to college. I didn’t know that this was available. Right? Because of the institutionalization because of the big monster God that I was. I didn’t know this was I didn’t know that. I could just walk with him and talk with him. Hmm, I didn’t know that. He loved me as much as he does. I didn’t even know that I had this thing called purpose and assignment in my life. I didn’t know that until I got out of the environment that was perpetuating that once I got out of that environment, I began to search like willingly and actively figure this out for okay guy, like who are you for real 100 that

Brandon Handley 49:37
what prompted that for you, Jesse.

Jesse Cole 49:40
Um, when I when I when I set foot on a college campus, down in southwest Virginia. And it was a it was a liberal arts Christian college. And I saw how people were responding to God and it was different than what I was used to Right. And it looks genuine. Right? Well genuine. And I’m like, I wonder what that looks like for me? Sure. I don’t want to do it the way that so and so and so did like, what does that relationship look like to me? right for me? And went on got on a journey. And man, I’m still discovering man, I’m still discovering this thing, right. And I’m excited that God continues to reveal Himself to me to relationship. But yeah, that’s when it started, man. So I began to go to different churches, I grew up in one denomination. When I went off to college, I began to go to visit different denominations to sit like even some places where you might have might consider a cult like I’ve visited everywhere. I didn’t join, but I’ve visited everywhere. And my purpose was my purpose for visiting was to see what made us the same. And what made us different. Sure. Right. And what made us different is how we worship God, the manner in which you worship God. Right? It wasn’t a heaven or hell thing. It was like, okay, they do it this way. They do it this way. But what made us the same was that we all loved God. All right, that was a thread of connectivity that I began to hold on to, that I’m still holding on to this day, like, that’s what makes us to say, we’re all God’s children, and he wants to have relationship with us. That’s what I hold on to. That’s, that’s cool.

Brandon Handley 51:29
I think it’s pretty interesting to how, you know, you grew up in a house of ministers, but you weren’t able to establish that relationship. until after you left. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 51:39
Yeah, it was, I

Brandon Handley 51:41
mean, what’s that

Jesse Cole 51:43
all about doing? About being sure as a kid was about? We call them the acts of service? Right? But doing it would go into church and doing this and doing ministry? And do you know, I’m saying, like really performing, versus just being who we called you to be? I wasn’t taught that. I know,

Brandon Handley 52:06
that’s important to you know, how being who you were called to be? How do you feel like you discern that?

Jesse Cole 52:14
I feel as if I’ve always known that as a kid. Like, when I look back on it now, different memories come to come to mind where I felt as if I was, I was always walking in purpose without knowing that I was walking in purpose.

Brandon Handley 52:30
Just like the Steve Jobs line, right? You can’t you can’t you can’t connect the dots call forward. But you can act on going backwards, right?

Jesse Cole 52:36
I remember sitting in church business meetings as a kid, like 910 11 years old, and having discernment. And knowing who was a snake and who wasn’t. I knew this as a kid, right? I remember connecting with people and being able to see people’s lives without them even telling me anything. As a kid, I didn’t know what it was, I just knew I was different. I didn’t know how to demonstrate that in real life. It’s just something on the inside.

Brandon Handley 53:06
That’s that’s pretty cool. That ties in I just listened to your talent story a little bit earlier, from the vault on your podcast, right? So I mean, kind of like you had these talents. Initially, you kind of hit him, because you didn’t know how to use them. Yeah, right, I think is kind of another way to take a look at this whole thing. And now that you’ve discovered what your talents and gifts are, you’re cultivating them, you’re sharing them, and you’re using them to help shine a light on other people so they can shine their own lights on others that type of things that I’ll sum it up.

Jesse Cole 53:42
Pretty much. Yeah. Just being obedient to my assignment and my purpose. And through that, all the other stuff you just mentioned, that happens.

Brandon Handley 53:53
So Kingdom mobile coaching Comm. That’s where you can kind of hang out with Jesse Jesse, what’s what’s like, an initial session with you look like?

Jesse Cole 54:03
Yeah, so we have. So Kingdom platforms is this. We do a one hour discovery call. And that discovery call is just to see where you are. See what your vision is to see if we can help you. And if we indeed can help you, then you move on to the six month program where we help you uncover your story. Write your book, develop your empowerment program, develop your event, so begin to monetize your message. So that’s it’s really that simple. You get on get on the calendar. You know, we we talked for hour. I see where you are. We see if we see if it fits. If it fits, we move forward.

Brandon Handley 54:46
That’s great. That’s great. Jesse, I’m so I’m so proud of you, man. I mean, you know, I love I love what you’ve brought into this world. I love that you’re walking in your purpose, right? And I just love that you’re doing what you’re doing and you You do it. You do it with grace. Thank you. You do it. We really do. So one more time. Where can people go and find you Jesse?

Jesse Cole 55:09
Yeah, so Kingdom mogul coaching.com. That’s Kingdom like the word Kingdom mogul mo GUL coaching.com. So that’s the website. You can go learn more about the story and get on the calendar. But you can also follow us on social media. So Instagram is coach Jesse Cole. And Facebook is coach Jesse Cole. And I’m just coming off from a 30 day sabbatical. So I’m just about getting back into social media. Welcome back, Jesse.

Unknown Speaker 55:39
You, man.

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Sam Crowely Everyday is Saturday

Sam Crowley is a former Fortune 100 exec who launched the personal development brand Every Day Is Saturday & the hugely successful EverydayIsSaturday.com. Sam is a best-selling co-author, speaker & business coach.

I followed Sam’s podcast for a while and eventually, I got the bug… I needed to create a podcast and I hired him to be my coach… it was during the process of creating the podcast and working with Sam that I had my “awakening experience” and at some point I had asked Sam if he could tell me what he meant by bringing someone to Christ.

That was a couple of years ago, and I wanted to capture what that meant from him again so that I could share it here with you…

Check it out and, hey, check out his podcast as well… very good spiritual dope!

Interested in working with Sam? Check out his current site: https://launchmymovement.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey, their spiritual dope I am on today with the legendary Sam Crowley from every day is Saturday and something I haven’t talked about on this podcast is is that Sam was sounds like my coach Sam’s like the reason I have a podcast at all. So, you know, super excited to have you on is Sam, what’s going on?

Sam Crowley 0:25
Hey, Brandon, great to be back, man. It’s been a minute since the last time we chatted. So I’m fired up. And I love spiritual dope. I think that’s a great title for a podcast. So congrats,

Brandon Handley 0:35
man, I appreciate appreciate your huge inspiration as to why I am where I am today. And I think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast. And I always like to start these off with like, Hey, you know, God kind of talks to us, right? We’re just we’re just here, living out his message. Right? So in that vein, what’s God saying to you today that my listeners need to hear?

Sam Crowley 1:00
Well, I think no matter where you’ve been, man, no matter how big of it, like I am the world’s biggest screw up, you know, I’ve made way too many mistakes in my life and you know, too embarrassed to talk about most of them. We hide a lot from you know, our authenticity, because we’re afraid that other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it. And you know, we end up tripping over our past man. And I’ll tell you, if you and I’m not saying you got to put all your stuff out, you don’t need to do that. But I just did a Facebook Live Video literally right, before we jumped on about this topic. So if I can share that if it’s okay, I just yeah, absolutely just want to say that, you know, I help people really gain clarity and with their messages, you know, and people are like, Well, I’m not an A list celebrity or nobody knows me. And I’m not famous that. That’s great. Like that works in your favor, because I don’t know about you, but I am way past wanting to hear from Hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life, or who to vote for or anything like that. I just, I go to a movie, I want to watch a movie, you know, I want to learn from everyday people that are struggling, that are having financial relationship, money problems, not that they’re whining on me, but they’re one step ahead of where I am. So if I’m making 10 grand a month, I want to learn from somebody making 20 grand a month, if I’m in a, if I got a girlfriend, I want to learn how to make that person, my wife and how to treat her right. If I want a closer relationship with God, then I want to plug into somebody who doesn’t need to be a pastor, just but somebody whose works have some messy stuff in their life. And they figured out how to just get through the valley, they haven’t figured life out. I mean, nobody’s got that figured out. So God places on my heart every day, watch what you say, Crowley because you’re a loose cannon out there. Okay, the tongue can be used for good and not so good. It can be used to tear down it could be used to build up. So make sure you try as best you can. Because I know you’re still gonna screw this thing up. But you got a podcast, it’s been downloaded 20 million times you got a little bit of responsibility. Now you’re not that bubble on a skillet, from way back in the day, who could just go all over the place. And so I just want everybody to know, your path should be celebrated that you’re still here. You made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just say they just want to know, can you get me from point A to point B, that’s all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. That is if it’s cleaning your carpet, trimming your trees, coaching, building a website, figuring out a mortgage, that’s all they want.

Brandon Handley 3:19
That’s it, man. I love it. I love it. You know? And that was actually again, one of the things I loved about you, right? It was a week we connected you. You’re promoting your podcast course. And I bet I was like that’s it. I mean, this guy’s got something I want, right? And that can get me somewhere. And that was the course. And then when I got the course, here, Sam Crowley shows up and like a baseball cap. And you know, there’s a whiteboard flip chart, he’s just doing your thing. And you look, it looked like I could do it. Right. I was like, Well, okay, that’s the next step for me. How can I How can I move to what Sam’s doing right and share at the same time share my message, right? I share this thing that’s in my heart, finding, what is that thing in my heart, right? Because man, talk to me about how you know, give the audience here who doesn’t know every day is Saturday, a little bit of background?

Sam Crowley 4:12
Well, my daughter back in the day, I was a corporate slave and I’ve been in the corporate game for 15 years, and I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. I was making about 110 grand a year salary, stock options, company car, all that stuff. But I had just become a dad recently, a few years prior to that. And my dad left me and my mom raising kids by herself. This was the late 60s I was born in 1968. My dad left you’d had he went crazy. just lost his mind left. My mom’s raising kids so you know, welfare and all that stuff. Free cheese, goodwill, clothes, all that and you know a beaut alcoholic mom pretty abusive verbally, but I knew she loved me deep down knew she loved me. She never told me never heard it once from a parent in my life. Wow. Or you are loved and I searched for that my whole life. It has a lot to do with why sometimes I do. stupid things is because I’m looking for that acceptance. Because I never had a grown up, man. All I ever heard from my mom was I never asked for you, and I never wanted you. You know, that’s what she told me a lot, you know, while she was on the ball. So I never held that against her though. So I said, God, if you ever get any kids, I’m just going to be the best part. I’m going to be that Dad, I’m going to be throwing the football, I’m going to be going to the games, the ballet, I’m going to be picking them up. And you know what, man? My daughters have never they don’t even know me ever having a job. They don’t recall me ever go into a job. And they don’t ever resonate. They just know me as the guy that’s into drop offline and the pickup line at school. And look, man, I am not you know, Mr. Mom, I’ve got a wife at 22 years, he does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at 24 weeks one pound. And we didn’t sleep for three years because the kid was in children’s hospital. 221 days begging for life. When she comes home, we turn her house into a hospital. She was on a train ventilator and all of that. So you know, the everyday Saturday story, by the way, she’s six years old. Now the happiest kid you’d ever seen no trick, no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem, things like that. But she’s built in the image of the Creator, just like you are just like every listener is built in the image of the Creator. You know, I’m a Christian. So I believe that we all have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And I think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the Old Testament, you got Moses, you got David, you got everybody like that. And, and they say, Man, what is it like to live with the Holy Spirit inside you? Hmm. We didn’t have that before Christ, like, Whoa, that would be like, wow, you got all these people in the Old Testament would have loved have had the Holy Spirit, the Spirit Jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. Were bulletproof man, you know, we’re only here for a short period of time. That’s why I walk around with kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say Hey, man, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me I don’t worry about finances, I have a little bit of anxiety, worry about my you know, but but that’s what it means to me. And the whole everyday Saturday messages is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self. And I know I’m gonna make some people I’m pissing people off, I get it, I’m gonna acquire taste. And I’m not I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, I get it. But I’ve been able to, you know, through only through the grace of God and the Holy Spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with and just allows them I teach people how to share a compelling story. That’s it. I teach people how I do 10 minutes story, podcast, in my car in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. And I’ve been doing it for 15 years. And that’s really the crux of my business. It’s so embarrassing. But it’s what I do. Like that’s all I do

Brandon Handley 7:42
not and it works for you. Right? I never knew the the part were never never caught that, you know, your mom never even said that. You know, I love you. That’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to tough way to grow up.

Sam Crowley 7:55
But you make you appreciate, it makes you appreciate because it makes you do a 180 in life. Like if you’ve been if you’ve been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you’re sober for X amount of days, or you’ve been a drug addict or you’ve been up up, you’ve been addicted to porn. We all have addictions, man, I was addicted to money and ego and all that. But when you never hear I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don’t have a drink? Or do you make sure you’re more cognizant and forgiving of those that are going through tough times? I think it I’m not trying to go all you know the other way. But I really think it’s a blessing if you can just look at it from that perspective, you know?

Brandon Handley 8:32
Well, yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a big challenge to to get to that point, right? You got to get you got to get to that point to be able to say, you know, everything that I went through was to prepare me for what I need to go through. Right, or to help other or to help others get through similar things, right? Be like, Hey, here’s, here’s a path forward, you know where you are, right? Now, if you’re talking to somebody that’s in a similar situation that you went through, be like, hey, there’s, there’s a way out. And here’s what I found. That works for me, right? I love how you brought up like, you know, kind of the Holy Spirit, right? Being imbibed with that touch. I mean, I’m not 100% sure what you mean by that. So if you could tell the audience what that means to you, I’d love to love to share that.

Sam Crowley 9:08
What Jesus said that I leave my spirit with you when I die, I’m going to heaven. And I’m seated at the right hand of the cross. And I will come back again one day to judge the living and the dead, you know, and as Christians, we know that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins we Christianity is not a deeds driven religion. You can’t you know, you can’t go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or say 10 our father’s in a hail mary or anything like that. That’s not getting you into God’s already given us through the grace of his son’s death. We have that tickets been punched. So it’s not like you go out there and you don’t act nice. It’s just that it doesn’t matter. Brandon, you could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody and you and I are still getting into heaven. As long as I asked for forgiveness of my sins and accept Christ as my Savior. There are 10 commandments in the Bible. Thou shalt That steel is one of them. That you know. So if you steal $1 from somebody knowingly and I go kill someone, those are viewed equally in the Bible isn’t as you’ve broken a commandment, there is no little white lie or venial sin or mortal sin, all stuff. So what it means to have the Holy Spirit inside of you is that you’ve got that power of Jesus Christ inside of you, doesn’t mean you won’t die of cancer. Now, I mean, that we have, it’s a fallen world. That’s the other side of the coin. You know, I’ve lost friends in my 30s and 40s, I lost my mom in 1997. I mean, I’ve had nasty things done to me, I’ve done nasty things to people. I mean, it’s a fallen world, man, we also have this thing called free will, you know. But when you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, that means you have Jesus Christ himself inside of you. So when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table, and you just got laid off, it’s not like it’s a get out of jail free card, but it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of Christ to know that we this is just a temporary gig, man, even if you live to the mortal age at 78, the average mortality in the US there, and I’ll give you the exact analogy of a gentleman, this pastor, Francis Chan, who used this analogy, imagine a row that goes all around the world, millions and millions of times just this big row, and millions and millions and millions and millions of feet of this row, at the very beginning of this rope rain is just that red marker. And just like that just right, the very beginning. That’s life on Earth. No, no rest of the rope represents eternity. So that’s why, like I said, I get mad, I fly off the handle, you know, and I get anxious about stuff. But when you rest in the word, you’re never anxious, because you’re resting in Christ Himself. This is all just such a temporary gig, man. It is.

Brandon Handley 11:51
I love it. And I love the idea too, that you, you don’t hide this from anyone. Right? Or at least back it up. Because when when I did, when I was, you know, a big listener of yours. You were, I think just kind of leading into sharing, you know, your Christianity like, full on like super hard, right? Like it was your it was it was the, you know, armor of God ages or whatever like that, right? Like, this is like you were just going full on. You talk about what it meant for you to incorporate that into your podcast. Well, you

Sam Crowley 12:28
know, I’ve always been a Christian was always like, I grew up Catholic. And then in 2005, I would, I would say, that’s what most people would view as the word like being saved. Like you’ve accepted Christ into your heart, you know, and then around, you know, five years ago, or so when I was going through all this stuff with my daughter, I’m like, man, all I have all we had was faith. That’s all we had. We didn’t have anything other than our faith. I’m not, I don’t know what to do with a kid born at one pound with a hole in her heart, several brain bleeds. I don’t even know she can see me. I mean, what do you do with a kid at one time? All you have is faith in God that at that point, at least, that’s all I had. So I started, you know, sharing more of it on social media. And then what’s funny is I just did one town a lot. I sent an email out to my list, and I said, Hey, man, I gotta give praise to God. You know, I don’t know if you guys get this, but I am a Christian. I believe in God, I just like everything I just told you, you know. And I had an email list of 39,000 people at the time, and I said, Hey, if you’re on if you want to stay on my list, man, and you believe this message, you click this link. Well, 38,000 of them did. Okay. So my email is basically going from 39,000 to 1000. But my business increased that year. So I mean, look, I don’t know, but I just, I’m not a preacher, Pastor, teacher,

Unknown Speaker 13:37
you know.

Sam Crowley 13:39
I mean, I think even Tony Robbins would acknowledge that all of the motivation that he says, or Jim Rohn, or Les Brown, it all comes from the Bible. It’s all the parables that Tony talks about, and Jim Rohn if you’ve never listened to him on YouTube, it’s a must listen. They all come from the Bible, Bob Proctor, they’re all biblically based, you know? And so they’re 66 of the best motivational books you’ll ever hear all wrapped into one book called The Bible, and a lot of people butcher it. Like they’ll say, money is the root of all evil. Well, no, the love of money is the root of all evil. Yeah, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay, but that’s because money’s reference. There’s a reason why it’s referenced more than any other phrase in the Bible, because God knew it would become an idol to us, you know. So I’m not a pastor. I’m just really in tune with the Christian message. And if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer, a glass of mirlo, I’m that guy. If you want me to quote scripture, I’m not that guy, because I can barely quote it, but I know who wrote it. And I’m got a pretty good relationship with the guy, I think, you know, but I’m not here to bring anybody to Christ. I’m here. If anybody were to say, Hey, tell me more about it like you did.

Unknown Speaker 14:46
I’m here to tell you more about it.

Sam Crowley 14:47
But I think the worst thing we can do as Christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat and say, repent, repent, you know, your last day No, because people don’t read. I think people resonate with more how you carry yourself, you know, then how you can Quotes scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like, quotes the Bible and throws it back at me, you know?

Brandon Handley 15:06
Now that can be that can be annoying, but it’s funny. It’s funny it’s you bring up, you know Bob Proctor right. And and that line the the idea of people people don’t resist change they resist being changed right from Bob Proctor like that’s that’s one of his lines the you know you brought up you bring it up like you know maybe your job is not to bring people to Christ but we you and I had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to Christ. Even if you don’t feel like that’s your job? What does it mean to bring someone to Christ them?

Sam Crowley 15:41
Well, I think we have a mutual friend Adam, who thanked me because he claimed that I had brought him to Christ and he got baptized, and he let me know about it one day a few years ago saying, Hey, man, I got baptized, you know, you’re the reason I came to Christ and like, Wow, that’s pretty big deal, man. Like, I would give away all my money and all everything. God if some if I were to get that message, you know, because, as Paul says, and all the apostasy I mean, the reason they were persecuted, and all of that is because they want they were preaching the gospel, you know, and we’re sick. We’re the only reason we’re here as Christians is to share the good news. But I gotta tell you, dude, I ain’t going to Kroger in the produce section and sharing the good news with a stranger. I just don’t do that. And I know I’m supposed to do that. But I just can’t, I can’t do that, you know. But to bring somebody to Christ is like, that is monumental. I mean, that is amazing. Because now you know that they have that everything I just talked about earlier, they have that they rest in that piece, and they have that relationship. And it’s a personal relationship to everybody. That’s why I’m not in your face. But it’s personal to people. So, you know, if you are messing up, I’m not here to say, you know, stop watching the porn or stop stealing money or stop gambling or anything like that and say, Man, if you if you want to talk about it, if I can help you at all, I can share some great resources with you, but only when you’re ready, because if you’re not ready, it’s just it has the opposite effect, you know.

Brandon Handley 17:02
Now, I like that a lot, too. I think that’s almost fair to have some of these. I don’t know, put ourselves out there some of these endeavors, right. But also be willing to take that step towards that if that’s something that you think is good for you like, go go explore it and go find out what it’s like. And again, go to somebody like Sam, or others, like, you know, for Christianity or podcasting and marketing, right. For me, I think I think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in what’s inside of me, right, the spirit that’s inside of me, Holy Spirit, I guess, right. I think that I could make that linkage, feeling that and then stuffing, you know, this was another huge. I love that. I still like this is a lie that echoes from Sam’s podcasts from back in the day, because when was the last time you stepped out in faith? Mm hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I’m sure he probably said it several times since since then on the podcast, but you know, you would hear Sam go When was the last time you stepped out? When is the last time you went out? You did something that you you believed in right. And in yourself, right. with purpose and passion does and Sam, if you haven’t listened to Sam’s podcast, this is something that he does very well. I told him I hadn’t listened for a minute. And I picked up podcasts listen a few this morning. It seems like charging, charging, gung ho with everything. And then it was so much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational, you are inspiring. You know, I caught the one where you know, your daughter was being bullied. Yeah. Right. And just just how fired up and how authentic you are. On your podcast, when somebody you know, reaches out to where should they be in life? Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to Sam Crowley to have you coach them or mentor them for podcasting,

Sam Crowley 18:54
they got to be ready to step like you just said it step out. And a lot of people really, they just and I was that way to man, I’m not here again, you got to be ready, you got to you got to be ready to launch your message. And that sounds pretty, like scary. And what do I do? It’s nothing. I mean, it’s just let me help you gain clarity on what your message is, like I said, you could be a carpet cleaner, tree trimming trees, you could be a motivational speaker, whatever it is you want to do, but everything comes to us through the power of a story. And I teach people how to tell their story. So you got to be ready to create your million dollar message, and then learn how to make money with that message. And that’s an organic play. It’s not a push button. I mean, we can all buy Facebook ads, drive traffic to a funnel and then deal with all those numbers. I’m more of an organic guy where I like to build it from podcasting is my main thing, but you could do it on YouTube. You could do it on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, I mean, I’m just I focus on podcasts and because I’ve been doing it 15 years and I like to do simple, better. You know, if you talk about that one phrase right there, do simple better. So keep it simple and do it Better than everybody else. Don’t keep you know, look squirrel, you know, and you go chase in 10 different things. It’s just, I’ve seen that I’ve done it, how do I know what doesn’t work? I’ve done all this stuff I talked about that doesn’t work. The only way I know is because I’ve actually done it myself, you know? And so I’ve chased those squirrels to shiny objects thinking I’m gonna get on a webinar. Oh my god, I’m gonna do real estate liens and tax liens. And I’m gonna go do commercial real estate and I’m gonna go be an MLM. And I’m gonna have lotions, potions and pills in my basement. My I’ve done all that man. And you know what that works. There’s billionaires in the MLM industry, you know, who isn’t passionate about lotions, potions and pills, this guy, me, I wouldn’t be good at it. Because I’m not passionate about it. You know what, I’m passionate about getting on a podcast with you and talking about stuff that’s real. And, you know, when you talking about faith, a faith that’s never been tested can’t be trusted. So if you think that you’re going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out, it ain’t gonna work. Because if you’ve never tested it, how could you possibly trust it? You know,

Brandon Handley 20:59
always so much fun with Sam Crowley always so much fun. Sam, I know we’ve got kind of a short time period today. So I’m not going to try and drag anything out. You got time? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when I’m, when you also talked about being saved in 2005. Right. I’m curious what that look like and felt like for you?

Sam Crowley 21:21
Well, I had been through a bankruptcy. So I was humbled. Thank God when he’s when you’re ready to come to him. He I think he’s gonna humble everybody. At some point in time. I had an ego the size of Montana. Like I said, I was running a $90 million corporate division here in Cincinnati. And I had all these employees problem was I had 20 college credits, most of them gym and health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn’t get my dog to sit, let alone you know, get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john Maxwell. Okay. So I was just terrible, I think at what I did, but I was getting all these accolades and getting promoted, but I didn’t have a passion for it. And it all came crashing down. I left and I thought there’s going to be I bought a quiznos franchise and that what the hell I love went bankrupt, lost 300 grand, borrowed money from my sister lost that I had no money, man, no money, file bankruptcy October 11 2005. It was humbling. I didn’t bankruptcy is like a scarlet letter. I thought you could just not ever recover. It’s done, you’re done. And I lost my job and why I left my job. But then I went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that’s when I would start going to church with my wife. And I’m like, Man, this is crazy. What’s really putting her hand in the air? What we don’t do that at cat like growing up Catholic. You don’t talk in church? You know, what’s that PowerPoint up there? Man? This is good. This is what is this a movie theater production or something? But then it started to work. And that’s what God does. He starts to work on a broken heart, a broken person, you can’t we got this facade up. You got that ego like I you know, you can’t God can’t go to work on you. But he will, he’ll get to you. And he’ll get to you through the crack in your armor. And we all got to crack an armor and heal us and Satan will get to you through the cracks in your armor to. And when Satan gets to you through pornography, through drugs through alcohol through money, he knows the crack in your armor, he will work that crap. God was looking for the light and he’s looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan’s looking to do one thing that’s all he can do is why he’s got to lie. It’s all he does is lie. The one trick that’s the lie to you. So when I was saved, I accepted Christ. I said, Man, I can’t do this anymore. I don’t want the ego. I just don’t want any I just want a relationship with God. Now I know why I’m here. And that’s you know what happened?

Brandon Handley 23:34
as powerful I’d never heard that story from you before. So I appreciate you sharing that. When when you not now you’re not you’re full in right. Do you feel like your business is more fulfilling? Because you’ve got your spirituality? Lead on it?

Sam Crowley 23:50
I think so. Yeah. I mean, look, I don’t have it figured out. I feel like you know, I have I listen to great podcast elevation church, Steven furtick in North Carolina. I love my favorite podcast. I listened to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind where it needs to be. And here’s the thing I do have that I don’t think I used to have is when I feel myself straying off course. God brings me back and look keep the main thing the main thing remember your dad your husband? Yeah, you know, this business isn’t everything cuz? Look, I have ups and downs like everybody does in business and relationships and you know, finances all that stuff and health. But I feel like you know, now at least I’ve got kind of an internal GPS guiding me. I didn’t know that before.

Brandon Handley 24:39
You mentioned like the health part. I know. I remember. One of the big parts too. When we first connected you were doing 100 laps, I think through the pool. Right? And that’s, that’s actually what I mean. I ended up doing it too, which is really funny. I ended up you know, swimming and doing a triathlon and, and getting healthy. You know, how’s that tying into to kind of everything you’re Going to

Sam Crowley 25:00
Well, my wife and I joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and I weighed 210. But I’ve kind of purpose because I drove the car off the cliff with food night before I started going out to a big dinner and my wife and I weighed in at 210. down to 190. It’s only been five weeks. We’re on week six. Now, my wife and I’ve grown very close together through this because we’re doing it together. I did drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. She’s like, I don’t want to do this belly. Come on, let’s do it. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We’ve gone closer we eat together now breakfast, lunch, dinner, because we got to eat the same types of foods and stuff. And I always think that, you know, health is so amazing. I’m 52 years old man. I feel like I’m 25 I’m not really I’m not just saying I really do I feel the aches and pains. And I get up a little bit in the morning that I didn’t when I was younger, but I mean, I’m running three, four times a week I’m lifting three times a week. I feel like I could you know, get in a ring with a gorilla and beat the crap out of them. And I feel like I can outrun Roger Bannister, man, you know all of this at the same time. And I say all that jokingly because I can’t do any of that. But health wise. Right now I feel I’m just getting healthier and stronger and my mind is sharper. And for example, I gave up cream. I never had sugar. I gave up sugar a long time I gave up sugar and pasta A long time ago still eat bread sometimes. Well, now I’m drinking black coffee. I’m not a black coffee guy at all like I can I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought I’d have to have black coffee. Well not you get a little bit of you know, flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodle. Something like that. It doesn’t count against you. It’s all about that intermittent fasting. You know what I mean? Sure. So I’m a black coffee guy. Now I’ll never go back to cream. I haven’t had cream in six weeks. I haven’t had sugar in six weeks outside of fruit. You know, natural sugar.

Unknown Speaker 26:42
Feeling amazing.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That’s what you’d be doing now. Right? That’s what it’s like. I mean, cuz I’ve been a black coffee guy for years. And like, really? Oh, yeah. When I see put people put cream and sugar. I’m like, that’s a Why would you ruin a good coffee?

Sam Crowley 26:56
Dude, you should go to Dunkin because there are people who get 1213 sugars. Okay, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. But I was in line the other day at Dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Yeah, five sugars and on a Carmel swirl coffee which is all sugar itself. She leaves I go Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with it. Five sugar. She was a guy before he had 13 I go 13.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
How to how do you even drink coffee with 13 sugars? stick with what we’re doing to our body? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:26
All that all that inclusive. All that included? So you mentioned you mentioned a couple of podcasts and what are some audibles? I guess that you like to keep your spirituality Mojo going,

Sam Crowley 27:40
like audio books or podcasts or

Brandon Handley 27:42
audio books, podcasts, resources that if you know the people looking for a spiritual bump, or as I like to call it spiritual dope, get their hit. Where would they go? Like what do you like?

Sam Crowley 27:54
Well, I think there’s a few Steven furtick. There’s my number one, like I said, elevation church. I love it. Chris vallotton has some great audio books. The one I listened to recently was called poverty, riches and wealth. It’s v as in Victor al L. Ott, O n Kris vallotton. Chris with a K. K ri s. And that’s a great audio book. It’s a biblically based book about poverty, riches and wealth. And it doesn’t make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy Christian. Alright? Because God, God, God wants us to be prosperous. He just doesn’t want us to idolize money. That’s all. And so look, if there weren’t any wealthy Christians, churches wouldn’t be built hospital England and get funded things like that, you know, we need very, very wealthy people who know how to use that money for God’s kingdom. So those are the types of audible audios that I search for our wealthy, both. I don’t mean wealthy, just money wise, I mean, wealthy, but I’m not going to listen to somebody who says give all your money away. God doesn’t want you to buy That’s crazy. You know, God, we can’t money is just a tool. It doesn’t like the old adage I don’t know who said it, but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper, put an egg on it, you know, money.

But, you know,

it’s just I like wealthy Christians who do good things. I mean, Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life, you know, and that guy, reverse tide is 90% of his money gives away lives on 10%. Now I understand 10% of 10 million or whatever, the guy has a lot of money, but still, he’s given away how many other people could make that much money and give away 90% you know, so those are the types of teachings I like to listen to.

Brandon Handley 29:29
And that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Reminds me of a good a Buddhist Reverend on I talked to him every once in a while. And he talks about being able to give with wisdom, right? Not just not just like, give it all away. But to be able to give and know that it’s going to a place that it’s going to have an impact. It’s like an investment in society. Right. where’s this going to best? best best? best play out? Is it brother I don’t have a whole lot for you today, man. It’s been a minute I wanted to go. Yeah, well wanted to get you on and just, you know, thank you again for being the inspiration that you were, and are, and you continue to be for others and what it looks like to, you know, be a shining light and have a flourishing business. And that’s something I think you’ve exemplified.

Sam Crowley 30:15
Thank you. And it’s great catching up with you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Brandon Handley 30:18
Absolutely. Where do I send people to go find the SAM Crowley?

Sam Crowley 30:23
Dale, I’ve got a brand new video I put out at launch my movement.com and they could check out I will launch and your entire podcast for you.

Brandon Handley 30:32
Well, well, wait a second. What’s that look like?

Sam Crowley 30:36
What’s that look like? All you got to do is literally talk, I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with your podcast. So all you got to do is literally just speak into the microphone that I tell you to buy. Even that

Unknown Speaker 30:48
part is done. Wow. Wow. Okay,

Sam Crowley 30:51
so it’s a done for you podcast is program if you go to launch my movement calm.

Brandon Handley 30:55
That’s awesome, man. No, that’s great. That’s great. And the guys guys and girls. You know, Sam has been doing it for a long time. He is a coach for Tony Robbins. Right. Can I say that? You know, they’re coaches on a podcast. Yeah. So I mean, you know, it’s not like he’s some dude, just like he may be doing I was basement and he is definitely like, is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But uh, you know, you know, reach out to him because he’s legit. He’s been doing it for a long time. And if you’ve got a message that’s on your heart, he can help you get that out there. And the part about like, it had been handheld, like to get through it. And with that kind of plan. That’s awesome. Sam, thanks for putting that out there for people back. Being a good student. Dude. I remember when we I remember when we started working together three years ago. And I know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were when we first started working together. Who’s this guy? What am I getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends, you know,

Sam Crowley 31:54
talk, and we respect each other. And that’s what happens when you get into a concurrent relationship with people on the internet. You know, you can have these long lasting friendships, and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn’t mean you look at them with $1 sign on their forehead, we you know, we’ll be talking for a long time to come. So don’t be afraid to put your message out there. you’ll attract individuals like I attracted Brandon. And here we are three and a half, almost four years later, still in touch with each other. That’s the power of building friendships out of client relationships.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Agree? Yeah.

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Unknown Speaker 0:02
You’re listening to the Spiritual Dope podcast with your host, Brandon Handley the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 0:11
with today’s

Unknown Speaker 0:11
guest from your essential nature’s podcast this spiritual worked out ready

Brandon Handley 0:20
hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Emma har and she’s coming to us here from your essential nature podcast. I met Emma through Dr. Ben chambers and the your essential nature podcast. And that podcast is based on the longer yearning that we all have to know ourselves at the deepest level. And in this podcast series, they explore the template to know yourself, experience peace, and grow in mindful awareness and bring more light into the world. Who wouldn’t want to be check in into that? Right. So thanks for joining today. You know, tell us a little bit about what brings you here today.

Emmy Harr 1:06
Oh, my goodness, yes. Well, um, this is a common mistake. So I’ll give you a little past card for this. But my name is actually me. So just like the Emmy Awards, short for Amber. So um, yeah, as far as bringing in, I think we’re just kind of in this expansion phase of getting connected with your right tribe. Okay. And with your essential nature, Ben did an amazing job kind of plucking the the the misfit toys and putting them together. And we just had an amazing chemistry as the the group of four of us. And with that, each person’s kind of doing their own thing, as far as building their spiritual practice and their spiritual businesses, and helping clients that way. And so, yeah, you and I got connected from mutual friends and mutual friends. And it’s just, now’s the time to say yes, and manifestation. So absolutely.

Brandon Handley 2:04
I love that. So I like to start these off with the idea that sources speaking through us, and that there’s somebody out there listening to this podcast today. And a message can only come through you to them through this podcast. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Patience.

Emmy Harr 2:34
Definitely patience, especially when it comes to the surrender process. As your life starts unfolding, it’s happening for you, not to you. And it takes a little bit of patience, probably more patience than anybody wants to admit that they are.

Brandon Handley 2:50
Sure, sure. We are not patient. People, especially, especially in Western society, right. How has that shown up in in your life?

Emmy Harr 3:05
page? Oh, gosh, yeah, definitely more of a recent thing. So I remember when I was little, I always felt like I was different, not like a weird, different, but a really good different. And not an arrogant sense of I’m better than everybody. But just like, I felt like I knew something more than the average person my age did. And lo and behold, that was basically just like utilizing light, right? Like That was my gift is being a beacon instead of darkness really. And so I remember just like going through middle school, especially a little bit of high school, college, even post college, just feeling like I was like, Am I just so abnormal, that I don’t have anybody, like, even my really good friends? That like truly gets me, you know, like, and I remember just like yearning for these deep relationships. And then, ironically, about five years ago, I moved from Wisconsin to Austin, Texas. And that was when my whole life was really just like, flipped upside down. like totally shaken. I remember. As soon as I stepped foot on Austin ground I remember looking straight up to the sky and asking what the hell am I doing here? Because I truly, I know I was guided down there and I knew it was gonna be like a powerful season in my life. But I mean, immediately like, I could just feel my whole aura just shaking, like could not get grounded for the first like year and a half No matter how much yoga, meditation, dance like none of that. And I remember just like crying, just begging for one person, one person that understood my heart and Yeah, then and of course, that can be friendships. I know for a lot of people, it’s romantic partners as well. And we’re always just craving that soul partnership. And yeah, I can tell you like, even with Austin I was that’s when I started basically commission only a business insurance and finances, and I had no concept of what business or sales meant, you know, I came from the infant room with 14 infants prior to. So I was really I was on my own I had one friend that was never there, he moved from Austin with me. And then I didn’t know anybody working 90 hours a week studying learning this whole new realm. You know, it was really a you eat what you kill type of environment, right survival mode on its on its best. And it just felt like I was always just like hacking away, right, like taking the ice pick to a sculpture. And yet the sculpture wasn’t forming. And I was just working so hard. And it nothing was flowing, like not even my energy was. And so fast forward three years, I moved to Kansas City, again, a divine, a divine way on how I knew it was Casey that I was supposed to go to. But it just felt like a huge way it was just like, lifted off my my chest, I could breathe, even though it was freezing. And it just felt like things were coming together. And now I have an amazing tribe of members who like to have depth, in depth conversations, they like to talk about God, we can have civilized conversations, on politics, spirituality, all of this. And within the last probably six to eight months, I’ve just really been at this surrender phase of like, okay, universe, you’re the one leading my life, I’m just swimming through it. I’m totally just at bay here. And I can say that, since that’s happened, it’s just been a lot more peaceful of a life. And I’m still being taken care of, you know, it’s more of a less survival more of an abundance mentality. And so, you know, it’s funny, I think about well, it only took me 28 years to get to that point. But I know people were in their 60s that aren’t even at that point. So when I talk about patience, I mean, patience.

Brandon Handley 7:30
For sure, for sure. Lots in there. Right. So thanks for sharing, kind of that, you know, backstory on I remember, I went to Texas, went to Dallas. And I think that I had a really similar experience where I got down there and I was what what am I doing here? Maybe it’s just Texas. They are, they are a different breed. And that’s okay. Right. And, and, you know, you mentioned, you know, you know, all the yoga all the meditation kind of makes me think of all the king’s men and all that, you know, you know, Humpty Dumpty couldn’t put it back together again. But, uh, you know, but that’s it, right? Like, everything you were doing you still you weren’t kind of coalescing and gathering shape, they’re right, or form the form at least that you were in search of, while you were in Texas, right. And you also talk about this being in survival mode. And, and, you know, kitten, you know, eating what you eat what you kill, right? survival mode aspect, and, you know, that’s, it’s, it’s kind of a, it’s a tough existence, right? There’s a, there’s a Francis ism involved with survival mode, right, there’s a, there’s a closed off sness of being in survival mode. Primarily, because you don’t know that there is another mode available. Right? Like, this is just kind of how you’re taught to, you know, go out there, it’s like, you’re literally being pushed out of the nest. Right? Yeah. Like, you know, you either fly, or you’re or you figure out some other way to make it about a little broken wing. So, you know, definitely, definitely interesting to kind of be going through all that and also looking for some type of connection. You know, when when you’re talking about, you know, killing you know, you know, eating what you kill in that moment. Even that phrase limits the potential of connection, right, if that’s your mentality, right? Um, you know, it’s kind of like, if we think of like law of attraction, like who’s drawn to that, right. And then of Iran because it you know that that also to me indicates like the Yeah, the certain strength of will and desire to live and be so doesn’t you know, there’s also that right. But you probably weren’t really thinking of it in those terms. I could be wrong, right? You may not have been thinking about it in those terms at that time, because it sounds like you’re like, I gotta get the hell out of here. And where is the next year? And the next year for you? Kansas City.

Unknown Speaker 10:26
I mean, you know who, you know who

Brandon Handley 10:29
am Right, right, you’re right. Like if I’ve got even even if I’ve got a map up on the wall and a Dart, the likelihood that is going to hit Kansas City, and that’s going to be, you know, my nama stay place. Right. Oh, God, why and how so? Tell us a little bit about how you ended up there. What was it that drew you to Kansas City? Yeah, that’s

Emmy Harr 10:51
so funny. Um, I had never even heard of Kansas City until a few years ago. And just real quick,

Brandon Handley 10:59
Kansas City’s in Missouri. Not Kansas. No, it’s

Emmy Harr 11:03
both split town. It’s so what the hell no.

Brandon Handley 11:08
This is a strong note to that. It’s like calling turkey burgers like hamburgers, right? Like that’s just to know that’s it. That’s a turkey Patty.

Emmy Harr 11:16
No, there’s Casey, Mo, and Casey. Okay. I learned that the hard way. So my, one of my dear friends from college moved here. I think four, four years ago or something. So I was still in Austin. She moved here. And I remember in Austin, when I was starting to make a little bit of money, I got the flow of business. You know, I was like, cool. The reason I’m making money and want to make money is so that I can go travel and experience the world, right? And so where do you go, you go to Kansas City to visit one of your best friends. So I remember I was I came here during summertime, in 2016, or 2017. And it was so much fun. It was great. And the irony is I remember she took me out for bagels. And we were sitting outside in the sunshine. And I remember being I was just starting to get into real estate investing at the time. And I was like, You know what, Brett? I’m, what if what if I bought a duplex and you live on one side, and I live on the other and we’ll just be best friends forever, right? So, but it was just kind of like just talk, I was like, I’m not moving here like I don’t know. So then fast forward a year, it was October of 2018. And end of September, I just nothing with my business with insurance was working. Everyone was canceling their appointments, I was getting chargebacks, which is where money gets taken out of my account because somebody cancelled their policy. I was nobody wanted to book an appointment. It was just like dead. And I was like, Okay, what is God trying to tell me here? Like, clearly this is a stop, right? And so, my business partner at the time, he was like, Okay, I just kind of throw it out to him. And I was like, You know what, I’m just going to stop until until October because that’s when Medicare starts. And that was like a lot of what I was doing. And he was like, Yeah, cool, but what are you going to do for your soul? And I was like, what, and he was like, I’m gonna, I’m gonna almost force you to go up to Wisconsin and go visit Brittany in Kansas City, whatever you want to do. And I was like, okay, so I flew up to Wisconsin to visit family was there for a few days road trip down to KC to visit Brittany who had just had surgery. And so I just remember arriving in Kansas City. And the first day that I, the first morning, I woke up, it was 40 degrees, which, by the way, I think I was actually born on the sun. So anything less than 80 degrees is freezing to me. So the fact that it was 40 degrees. And I was just like, yes, like seriously, just a weight lifted off. I felt just such immense peace. And to me that Spirit speaking to me, that’s God’s peace, his presence. And I was just like, Okay, and then all of a sudden, all of these business inspirations just kept firing. And I was like, just I felt like I was home. And then, so after this, this visit with Britt, then I went back to Austin. And I was literally depressed, couldn’t get off of the couch, my my friend’s couch at the time, by the way, because for three days straight, and I remember my business partner, he’d have to text me to be like, hey, go for a walk today. Like I was in mobile. It just didn’t feel right. And I was in between spaces because I had a duplex under contract that took five and a half months to close and it was just like, kind of a pain right? Then I don’t remember how but I think my partner and I, we we met up for lunch one day, and I just randomly blurted out, I’m moving to Kansas City. And there was a sturdiness and the tone and the frequency that we both knew. We We’re like, Oh, crap, it’s time. And so I got everything squared away, closed on the property found renters in Austin. I hosted my parents for Christmas. And then they actually helped me pack up, and then move to Kansas City on their way back to Wisconsin, which was so sweet. And yeah, so then the irony Now, remember that story of Brittany and I bagels and the irony is now I own a four Plex. She’s not one of my tenants yet, but one day, I’m sure she will be. No, but yeah, I ended up investing in real estate very quickly when I got down here and and that in and of itself was divine timing. And yeah, so it just I remember like walking in the rain and the snow that first that first season because I moved here December 2019. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Again, rain and snow, not my cup of tea. But it just felt like Oh, I’m so so happy. My heart was just Oh, singing in the rain.

Brandon Handley 15:54
I love it. I love it. It’s kind of like, you know, you get this divine inspiration. And it is imminent in some way, shape or form. You don’t know how it’s going to happen. But you just kind of you have that you have that peek into the future. All right. And you speak it into existence, right? You make a joke about it. Right? You speak existence, though, right? It’s real similar to kind of like how you’re in. Kind of like you’re like, I don’t see any clients. I don’t see any business. I don’t see any of this. And sure enough, that these are the things that you’re saying to yourself. And sure enough, you’re not seeing any of it right. It’s you’re speaking that into existence. And then, you know, you find yourself in a place of harmony. And you know, this kind of good resonance where you’re you’re sitting or Brittany, you’re hit by this sun. And things start opening up again for you because you’ve opened up right, because you’ve sent out like this sense of harmony in that space, where you were where you guys are kind of hanging out eating the bagels. And then when you go back and you’re just kind of morose, right, you’re like, Fuck, Texas. It’s just isn’t it? Right this this, isn’t it? This isn’t my space. This isn’t something is off key. Right. And and, you know, again, you felt like in your heart to like the end, you felt the things weren’t moving at your pace five and a half months to close on a place. I mean, come on. Right. So thanks,

Unknown Speaker 17:29
dad. Good. Can

Emmy Harr 17:30
I just add it took me 35 days to close on a four Plex here. Right? So wait, this is what it’s supposed to be.

Brandon Handley 17:37
Right? Right. So I mean, you know, when when you are in alignment with your sense of purpose and bliss and your own good feeling. This isn’t and you know, people always kind of, you know what I’m talking about following your bliss and just out there was a world we follow your bliss. Look, there’s a certain that you know, there’s a there’s a discernment between like following your bliss and imminent folly. Right. So you were though, you know, you’re following your bliss, your heart intuition. And when you’re doing that, just as you’re highlighting right now, your story indicates that the universe opens up and gets behind you with that right universes like Pikachu, this is this is happening, like you said, for you, not to you. Right. And so that to me, sounds like what your experience has been so far. Have I got that about? Right?

Emmy Harr 18:35
Yeah, absolutely. And I might even add, like for so I’ve always been deemed as sensitive, right? Like, I have an act and not only like not just really not emotionally sensitive but just like an awareness right. And one of my one of my spiritual comrades here in KC we were just talking a month ago, and she even said, because nobody can understand the why, you know, like, I came down to Texas and I again, I was guided down there, I knew it was Texas that I had to go, I could feel the energy of God saying Yes, go with that. And but I knew it was going to be like a learning curve. And so my, my spiritual comrade just made a comment, like, you know, there’s there’s different you know, how there’s like different war zones or different like boot camps or base camps throughout. And it has a different energy when you drive past them, right. And so she said, the same thing with the spirit realm is there’s these different Warzones these different base camps, and maybe just maybe Austin happens to be one of them. And I was connecting into that. And Casey like that we have a lot of like, there’s the International House of Prayer here. Like there’s a lot of a lot of that spiritual and spirituality. Even the religion here, you know, it’s just like more

Unknown Speaker 19:57
God Yeah, so

Emmy Harr 20:01
maybe I was even picking up on that. And that’s why like, which came first the chicken or the egg, you know?

Brandon Handley 20:08
Not for sure. I love that I love that idea to have you know, the the camps, right and different energies and, you know, I’m always reminded of the book the obstacles away. I’m not a big fan of the book, but that’s what it reminds me of right? Have you ever read it, but the idea is, and then and then you know, as you’re talking and you’re sharing that kind of reminded of like, I’m even just holding up a mirror when you’re trying to shine the light, right? Maybe your mirror was down in Austin, and the light was shining over into right like, Kansas City, right? You know, this is here’s, here’s where you catch your, your, your, your ray of sunshine is over there over here type of thing, you know, write a letter, but anyways, right? That’s just kind of the thought processes, as I’m listening to the story. So you’re kind of you’re following your bliss. You’re, you know, feeling your spiritual self, right? Where’s Where did you feel like you kind of connected with your spirituality and felt the strong pull for that. And I love the idea to have like, you know, what are you going to do for your soul? I love that. Right? And Was that something that helped spark that? Or was that already in existence? Because I know, you’d already talked about a lot of yoga and meditation as well, where where did you initially kind of connect with source and decide that that was going to be a part of your life?

Emmy Harr 21:38
Yeah, so I was born and raised Catholic. And so God has always been a part of my life now. I love the traditions and rituals of Catholicism. However, the strictness never really resonated with me, but Jesus guide disciples, saints, just having an army for us. That always resonated with me ever since I was little. So luckily, I had that foundation innately and also fostered. Now when it became more of a relationship with God, instead of just an abnormal what word Am I looking for? Like just an abstract thought, right? I was in college, one of my dear friends, she had actually tricked me. And I talked about this on your essential nature, but she had tricked me on what happened to be a student led, faith based retreat. I didn’t know is faith based. She was just like, yeah, it’s really fun. You get to throw like, pockets of glue at each other. And there’s like a mud fight and all of these things. I’m like, I’m super extroverted by nature. And I’m like, yeah, that’s amazing. And I just transferred colleges. So of course, I was like, wanting to look for, like, get to know people and meet people who like to do fun things. And so when I was there, I read it, like dawned on me, okay, this is, this is about God. And I remember looking at Ashley, and I was like, what she’s like, I’m sorry, I just didn’t think you would come. Like, you’re right. I probably wouldn’t not like out of anti God or anything like that. Just a matter of, okay, like, I already know, God, I don’t need to do anything, you know. But that’s what, that’s what opened my eyes to this concept of having a relationship. So that’s how I in my world, Faith is the relationship of religion is the structure or the dogma. And so I started learning and developing relationship. And then I just had great spiritual mentors. And then eventually, I think it was my, either senior super senior year, I met a mentor that kind of blended this whole new age energy realm, she was very intuitive. I would even call her a medium. But then she also had this Christianity foundation as well. And she did a beautiful job from marrying the two. And that to me felt right and so for her to be like, Oh, yeah, I can see this energy in the room. I’m like, wait, there’s a whole other round, like it was the next level of faith for me. I was like, Okay, so then, yeah, I just kind of started and just kept growing from there. And I just keep listening to what feels true for me, like what resonates it’s a different frequency.

Brandon Handley 24:32
Now for sure. I love that. You know, I love the idea to this army for us, right? So it sounds like even even before you know, even while in Catholicism, you had this army for us mentality, right? The University of benevolent universe, right? This this kind of digital energy source, acting on your behalf right? And that’s great. I love that. Yeah, I’ve never heard it said like that. And I think that that’s, that’s great, right? And I also like this little piece to where, you know, faith is. Faith is what again, I wrote down notes,

Unknown Speaker 25:13
but the relationship

Brandon Handley 25:13
faith is relationship and then your religions call it the framework right of everything else. No, I like that idea too. Because I look at I look at that, too. Without this kind of foundation of any type of religion, or spirituality background, right? It can be a challenge to lean into any type of spirituality, right? If you don’t have kind of the foundation for it, and you start to feel you, like you said, you’re kind of like, an peth, like high energy, connection to source, you can begin to wonder, what is this? What am I feeling? What am I going through, and if you don’t have a, at least a framework, you are, you’re kind of sLl, right? Like, you’re just kind of out there without any anything to bring you back or ground you, right? Or something to at least anchor yourself to

Emmy Harr 26:16
something and I would even, I would even take it one step further. I know from my like, my parents generation, and I might even say that the degeneration just underneath them. Like it’s not spoken about, even if you are extra feely, like I remember, in seventh grade, I actually became I think for at the time, one might have said I was depressed. But I was depressed because I was witnessing How rude. My classmates were being to this one, one particular classmate of mine, and I could almost feel her sadness. And I didn’t know what was going on. And my mom thought I was going crazy. She signed me up for a child psychologist wanting to help me, you know, she’s like, I don’t know if she’s suicidal. I was not. But I mean, that’s how that’s like, how I could process at the time. And so they shut off, you know, at no, at no criticism for themselves, but they were shut off because their parents were shut off, right? Like, that was the Great Depression era. So everyone was in survival mode. And then that’s just kind of what was taught, and then handed down. And so if you’re feeling me, or seeing or hearing these different things that you don’t know, or you don’t have the framework or foundation for, it can be really tricky when you’re not even in a a, like an area where it’s spoken about to normalize it.

Brandon Handley 27:45
Not 100 100%, right? And I love that too. You know, you’re looking, you’re looking back through history, and you know, what’s acceptable in this energetic realm, right? So what you’re kind of explaining is, you didn’t have the ability to protect your energy field, right? Or the, you know, how do you address that again, and your parents addressed it by being like, Oh, she’s okay. I don’t know what the fuck her but let’s go get her some help. Right? Because they did. And that’s awesome, right? Because they realized that they weren’t their limits, you know, as a parent myself, I’m like, Alright, we know if I’m out of all the other options, let’s, who can we reach out to? Right? And what what do we got there? So, um, I love it. And then so your, your your friend, the New Age, energy, you know, connecting the realms of, you know, Christianity into all that even a mediumship? What would you say? You know, she did all that, you know, what have you taken away? And how are you implementing what she taught you? Like, what were a couple of key pieces that you you feel like you pulled away from her that you’re replicating?

Emmy Harr 28:56
That’s a great question. That’s so interesting, because I feel like everything’s just been so fluid. Like, it’s just one extra layer kind of building, building bricks laying on top of each other. So to pinpoint it, I remember being in our office late on Tuesday nights where we were playing with the enneagram. Right? And she was teaching me intuition how to just pick what felt right. You don’t have to analyze but just pick what felt right. Or we would play with other personality. wheels are, I don’t know some more of the psychology side of, of intuition. Really, because psyche means intuition, I believe. And, but then just more I would say trusting a that you can see, like into another realm. I always thought that that was for somebody higher up right and I’m actually like in in development That that trait I didn’t even realize that I had. And then I can put two into get together like, Oh, I do see things without even realizing. So trusting the intuition and trusting what you’re seeing, right, because that’s another form of intuition, I would say is probably the biggest one. And then also healing. So energy healing, she introduced to me Reiki, and that was a whole other like, the healing aspect was massive for my growth.

Brandon Handley 30:31
And let’s talk about that for a second. So what I do want to talk about that but but before we do that, when you say intuition,

Unknown Speaker 30:41
what do you mean?

Emmy Harr 30:46
The internal knowingness

Brandon Handley 30:51
I like that. Yeah, that’s good. You know, listen, because I don’t know. You know, when when somebody says intuition exactly what you mean by that. So the internal knowingness i think that that, that that’s a great, that’s a great way to say it. succinct, even. So thank you. And then energy healing, reiki, right. I talked about that. Once I’ve never experienced it myself. I’ve had the offers right to for people to do it for me. But I’ve never had the experience. So talk to me kind of what that experience has been like for you. And you know, how you felt afterwards?

Emmy Harr 31:30
Yeah, so Reiki is really, it’s divine lead. You know, there’s a lot I’m learning that there’s a lot of misconception on this new age, energy. And the fact that it’s almost like black magic and know everything if it’s done correctly, it should be divine LED, so whether you call it source God, power universe, he she it, you know, it’s always with love and light intention. As always, if you’re going to a real, a real healer, it’s going to be with love and light as the intention anywho. So Reiki is basically just a cleansing of our energy centers, also known as chakras along the body. And we know that everything in life is energy, like even this hard table that I’m sitting at is made up of energy, it’s just matter. And so we have energy around us also known as the aura, and then we have energy zones within us the chakras. So Reiki is really just utilizing someone’s intuition because we are the vessels for God’s like love. And where where things feel out of alignment or imbalanced or whatever the the word you want to use. You just send love and light because really love heals all. And so she was she was showing me Reiki and she would do it on me and I always felt like a peacefulness, a calmness. I felt lighter. People in pictures during college, they were like, are you losing weight, you have a glow to you. I wasn’t losing weight. I was just reading my old baggage that I didn’t need to keep, right. Like, we’re emotional hoarders. I didn’t need to keep that on me anymore. I learned that lesson. And so yeah, it was just it was so inspiring that by the end of college, so my super senior, I did become level one certified and Reiki. So then that led to other realms of energy healing as well. But yeah, it’s it’s a powerful gift. I mean, really, we’re just giving each other

Brandon Handley 33:37
how, yeah, right. That’s great. I love the idea to write emotional hoarders. You really are. It’s like, I mean, and for no reason other than I don’t think that we know any better. Right? You can’t you know, what’s, what’s so what’s the line? I forget who it is do what you do until you know better? Right? You know? And you know, you just you do best until you know better and I think that we are emotional hoarders and I love that I was pissed just a minute ago and I want to share some more about that let’s we’re gonna last week I was saying you know, you just hold on to that forever right? instead just be like, just let that go That was a moment and and what’s next what’s behind that and what’s what are we going forward into? So you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? How like this is just like, that’s your hit every day like you can get like this you can get like this weird you know, full body super high vibration through spirituality, right? That’s the kind of the spiritual dope, right of spiritual dope. So what would you say like some of your spiritual dope is if you’re just getting ahead of it? What is that?

Emmy Harr 34:52
Gosh, even there’s a running joke with your essential nature because every we film every The other week, and every other week when we do meet up, it’s just like we’re hanging out. And like buds are just hanging out at the table. Just invigorating conversation. I can’t even explain it. So my spiritual dope my hit, is the conversation where we get to go in depth. Aside from that, I do get a spiritual dope when I either give and or receive energy healing. Love it.

Brandon Handley 35:29
Agreed, right? The this right here, right? This kind of conversation, we just get the opportunity to share your story. You can exchange, you know, the these high energy ways of being with somebody else. And they get it, right like to like, Oh, yeah, yeah. And not only that, but like, and there’s more. But wait, But wait, there’s more. Right. But wait, there’s more and like, Oh, wow. Or like, why did I didn’t think about it that way? And you know, helping somebody changed, change their paradigm. Right. And I think that that’s what you guys are able to do on your essential nature as well. Right. So how did you get looped into doing? That was a couple other gentlemen. Right, you know, doing the your essential nature podcast? How did you get involved with that?

Emmy Harr 36:19
Yeah, truly, it was kind of one of those surrender moments where I didn’t even ask for it. It just presented itself. And it felt right. So I followed it. So Ben, Dr. Benjamin chambers, he was really the the director, if you will. So he had, he had been getting a lot of these downloads, which for him is from spirit, right? downloads of some type of podcast talking about things that aren’t being talked about, or in a way that they’re not being talked about, or something like that. I see Benji chambers podcast on that. But he he and I always had like a sarcastic sense of humor with one another. So I got looped in with him originally, because he hosts guided meditations on Tuesdays. And so I’ve been going to those for maybe six months at the time. And we we have a great sense of humor. Like we just kind of shoot the shit like, give each other crap. And we just jive really well with humor, humor, humor, IQ, chemistry. Anyways, so he had brought this up, and he was like, well, I really want to get a group together. I’m going to ask these guys, but I really like I think you should be a part of it. And I’m like, okay, like, I never said no, in my brain. I was just like, yeah, it’s fun. I like hanging out with you. I like to get to know other people. And I’d like to take my hint of spirituality. So in my mind, I was like, already on board, but apparently wasn’t conveyed. Because he kept like, kind of pursuing or like, tickling. Like, he would keep bringing it up, like, Oh, you should do this. Like every other week, he would just make a comment as if I wasn’t fully convinced or something. So then finally, I was like, yeah, so when are we like, let’s not talk about it. Let’s be about it. When are we? When are we filming? He’s like, oh, you’re in? Like, yeah. So he kind of orchestrated it. He, he knew the mic. They had met a year ago, Dave they had met prior to and then he just kind of got this sense that it would be the four of us would have a really good chemistry.

Brandon Handley 38:25
And you guys do have you guys do have good chemistry. And that’s funny, too, right? The when we doing this, right? We’ve been talking about this, but like when it’s like just pull the pull the trigger. Right?

Emmy Harr 38:37
That’s kind of our mo like, I’m very much the the Dewar and he’s very much the seer, I guess. I don’t know, see the visitor? I think we’re both visionaries. But yeah, I just I’ve got more of an action base to me, if

Brandon Handley 38:57
you will. Sure. Sure. I mean, look, you just you you uproot yourself ran down to taxation, then like, you’re like, Hey, I’m gonna make this decision. And I think that that’s a big part of it, too. Once you kind of make the decision that sounds like you just move ahead with it. Right. And I look, I made the decision, but let’s, I mean, what’s next, right? Like, I mean, what else we need to talk about? Then let’s just go do it. Right.

Emmy Harr 39:20
That’s so important to me. And that’s kind of where, you know, I do feel like my, sometimes I’ve, okay, oftentimes, I’ve felt like I have to in our worlds kind of always at war in a way I know all this language. It sounds like I’m so intense. I’m really anyways, but um, so I have this like really bold entrepreneur movement maker, right? I was 100% Commission. No, of course I have that fight of me. You know, this is like I can thrive anywhere. But then I also do have this this soft, emotional conversation. Let’s not do timeframe. So that’s more of like the spiritual realm, right? So I consider it the entrepreneur realm, which is more masculine. And then my spiritual side, my spiritual realm, which is typically more and more feminine. And one thing that I’ve noticed as I’m moving it, like stepping out of the entrepreneurial realm, to the, in the traditional sense, and stepping more towards the spiritual realm, is that for some reason, in the spiritual realm, decisions are scary. And for me, I’ve always really been a big proponent of make a decision and commit, figure out the details later. That’s how Apple moves. That’s how Amazon moves, like, just figure it out. But you have to commit.

Brandon Handley 40:42
Sure, sure. So, you know, that’s another part about I love that you brought that up. That’s another big part about spiritual dope, is this idea? Yeah, there’s of the softness, there’s no timeframe, the surrender, you know, side of spirituality, there. You know, if we look into nature, right? We still have rainstorms. We still have, you know, raging rivers, we still have things that are forceful, right? And dynamically, so and it’s okay to take action and be the one to initiate it to be a part of it. Right. And to go with what you feel and say, I’ve gone Austin, I’ve gone to Kansas City, you know, I’m doing these things and, and like you said, I’m committing to this, and I’m just gonna do it. I don’t know how I just know that I am. Right. And that is like, like your like your Shawn attention to it’s it’s something that there’s a fear and trepidation, I think, in making a decision with many people in the spiritual realm. And I think that mainly because if they, and this is my self speaking, right, coming into this space, if you don’t have like, this kind of this hunter mentality, if you don’t have like this business mindset, right? You feel almost like, it’s against your nature in order to say you’re committed to it, right? almost like you’re afraid that if somebody finds out about, you said, you were gonna do this, and it didn’t happen, and how can you believe in you know, all the spirituality then? Right? Because it’s like, they don’t want to be found that well, that’s okay. Right? to like, not have that thing happen. Right? I love the one. There’s plenty of them out, though. And the exact lines but like, you know, I always say, if I gotten exactly what I wanted, like when I wanted it, when I was younger, or any that like I’d probably be dead. Right? So it was probably spirit looking out for me for not getting what I wanted in those situations, right? Like, well, you know, so there’s that, but the idea of drawing a line in the sand, or even a target and a destination for a lot of these people spirituality, it’s like, they feel like it’s too connected to materialism. Right? Where in actuality, a vision is not too far off from having a goal, right? Plenty people can have a vision, My vision is my goal, right? Or all these other things where ambition is more tied, you know, for me, growing up, like ambition was always tied to, you know, material success, whereas ambition can also be tied to this great spiritual vision. Right? So connecting, you know, those two streams of thought has been a big part of spiritual dopler again, connecting with somebody like yourself who’s leading with spirituality, ambition and and this commitment and decision making capability that you’ve got is still being spiritually LED and is blowing the doors and you know, everything like I said in the beginning here is opening up for you because you’re doing it that way and you’re connected with your spirituality.

Emmy Harr 44:02
Yeah, and I might even say two things about that to help kind of bridge that that gap that some people in the spiritual realm like fear is a I always figured you know, God, God can see the entire forest I can maybe see a tree. So like, if he is the one telling me and directing me Hey, you need to go to Austin or Hey, you need to do go to Casey or you need to do this podcast. Why wouldn’t I want to trust that like, he’s got this vantage point he’s an eagle and I’m just a squirrel. You know what I mean? Like hell yeah, I’d rather trust somebody else than myself. And not not to separate the two right like cuz we are all God, we’re all spirit but then also it comes into the fact of manifestation, meaning, well, and this is something that I learned with my spirituality is once my intuition or my inner child or My angels would tell me something, or show me something and I would act on them out of trust. And then they’re more likely because then it’s building their trust. You know what I mean? Like, it just feels like a mutual pendulum, if you will. Okay, so we know that she’s hearing us, she’s receiving the messages, and she makes this she makes option or takes action on them. So yeah, we’re gonna keep feeding her. You know what I mean? says this, this manifestation of when, when you say you’re going to do something and do it, then it’s, it’s convincing your brain or your spiritual army that yes, she deserves more, she gets more, you know. So that’s helped me.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Now, I love that, thanks for sharing that. It’s really funny. There was um, you had another guest on who who really said it really similar, different different storyline, the similar outcome, right? You say you’re going to do it, and you do it. And the universe becomes kind of like this. You know? Emma says that she’s going to do it, right. Emma says that she’s going to emphasize it’s just going to keep keep opening. All right, Yep. Yep, go ahead, open up the path open up the path just because otherwise, like, right, it’s like, you know, why would I open up the door? If you say you’re not gonna do it? Right? Why would I? Why would I clear the path if, hey, I’m gonna be there at five and you show you don’t show up? Right? Well, I’m not gonna keep open up the path for you. Right? So. So real, real similar stuff there. Um, favorite like is did you have any outside of like, of course, I Bible on scripture, any books, movies, anything that just kind of blew your mind on spirituality?

Emmy Harr 46:44
Gosh, so many. I remember there’s this one movie called Joshua, when I was little. It’s an older movie, I think it was probably in the 90s. But that was just like, again, learning to trust in something bigger than ourselves. And then as far as spirituality, there’s like books on chakras, like aura cleansing. So that really helped me. And then I would say, probably my most recent, which was just very profound. Because of timing in my life, I just finished reading the surrender experiment by Michael singer. And not so that that was just so crazy, because I was actually part of a virtual book club club, who with a corporate couple of older women who wanted to read that book, months ago. And I was like, Hey, I’m not in like, I’m already reading free books. Right now. I’m not in the capacity to read it. But can I at least still join for the conversations, right? So don’t we’ve talked maybe once or twice about the book, because it was such a quick read for them. And it was just fun. It was like a spiritual dope, it was a hit. But we never really registered what what they were reading, like what the content of the book was, because it just didn’t feel like the right timing for me. then fast forward about a month and a half or two, I think about two months. And I just got this inkling you need the surrender experiment. And fourth of July, I was with my buddy, Jeremy Snowden. And we were just doing some inner work spiritually. And I had the revelation of a retreat center, a vision of a retreat center. And I was like, no way. Like, that’s, it was so not me that I was like, This is divine. And so that it was for. So it’s just after that vision that I got this inkling that I need to read the surrender experiment. So Ben actually bought us a couple copies. And we started reading it and or just before the day before I started reading it, I mentioned to one of my co workers. And he was like, oh, that’ll be great. It talks about him in building a retreat center from scratch. And I was like, You’re lying. I was like, No, this is super big. And man, I could not put that book down. I’m a slow reader, especially when it comes to work, like this type of inner work. Sure. But I finished that book in like two or three days, and I just I could not put it down. I was like, as is so crazy.

Brandon Handley 49:19
Yeah, that’s it’s a great one too. I definitely enjoy it. You know, it just begins in that, you know, with the, you know, the whole idea of how limited are you and I write with with what we think we what we think we know with our limited, whatever experiences versus what the universe what Source Energy knows is capable of. And if we go with the idea of having a benevolent universe, if we go with the idea of having an army that’s helping to make things happen for us, what happens if we let go the reins a little Bit what happens if we just say, you know, show me what you got? Right? And just kind of take it? And that’s the Oh, yeah, agreed. I mean that that blew my mind when he kind of described that to me in that book, right. Trying to experiment. The chakras and or, or cleansing books. Would you have like one or two that are top of mind that you share out with others?

Emmy Harr 50:24
Yeah. Do you mind if I go grab it? Because the author here? Okay.

Unknown Speaker 50:30
The more

Emmy Harr 50:32
like, it’s actually an inner like, almost might I say self Reiki in a way, but it’s, it’s called your aura. And your chakra is the owner manual by Carla McLaren. Okay, and so it should it. It kind of goes through or walks through the process of what each aura represents how to what do you want to visualize how to clean it, how to cleanse your aura, your chakras, and then grounding yourself. It kind of goes through techniques with that. So I love that as I was getting started. Nice,

Brandon Handley 51:03
nice. Perfect. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Where should Where should I send people to kind of come check out what you’re up to?

Emmy Harr 51:14
Yeah, definitely. So your essential nature is on both Facebook and YouTube for platforms. It’s probably going to expand but for right now we’ll just stick with Facebook and YouTube.

Brandon Handley 51:26
Fantastic. And before you hop off, is there anything else that you feel like you should share today with with spiritual Oh

Unknown Speaker 51:34
gosh, do

Emmy Harr 51:35
we have an extra three hours?

Brandon Handley 51:38
Sure podcast for

Unknown Speaker 51:40
surely. Surely.

Brandon Handley 51:42
Yeah. So guys, if you want to check out more Have a look. So your says me up here and Emma in the emails? Which is it again?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
know, what emails are you looking at?

Brandon Handley 51:55
I don’t know. I saw Ms. I saw ms somewhere. So I just want to make sure it’s me. Right. I was like, Listen, so it’s me. Me. Yeah, you guys want to go find so this is probably the third time it’s happened to me on spiritual dope. It’s like cuz, you know, and, and I was gonna ask this one. Anyways, so if you guys want to go find out more, what he’s up to the podcast that she’s talking about is so much fun, your essential nature. You know, the three, four of you guys all get on there, you have a good time you talk about some really cool topics you have what’s cool is it’s not, you know, just diverse in you know, racial or, you know, male and female dynamics, but also the age dynamic too. So, you know, there’s just a lot I think that has gone on really great with what you guys have created. So thank you for what you have created, and what you’re sharing out there with your group. appreciate what you’re doing.

Emmy Harr 52:56
And likewise, thank you for having me.

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Brandon Handley 0:00

Or 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on with Brandon haven or otherwise known as the spiritual smart as and, you know, just talking with him right now we had some conversations back and forth a few years back. This was when I was afraid, personally to be leading with spirituality. And I was really I was admiring you, Brandon. Not me, Brandon, you, Brandon, for for, for leading that way. And I thought that was really I thought that your unique sense of humor and felt like you were doing a kind of like a fearless sense. And I’ve really admired that. So thanks for being on here today.

Brandon Havener 0:38

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Brandon Handley 0:41

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I like to start this off with like, you know, the universe creates through us, right, and the universe, you know, kind of puts us together, and whoever’s, like, you know, tune in in the podcast today and check on you and I out. They need to hear something today and it’s only going to come through you so what’s what’s that What’s that person need to hear? That’s coming through you in this podcast today.

Brandon Havener 1:05

I think the main thing is, you know, talking about spirituality and some of the shit that people would I don’t know if I’m allowed to cuss here

Brandon Handley 1:14

cannot say it’s spiritual. You know? I don’t know spiritual cleansing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:20

Yeah, so I you know, like anybody who

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:24

who finds pulled to that kind of stuff there’s going to be that fear of ridicule and being called crazy and you know, I think like spirituality and some of the conspiracy stuff to kind of go hand in hand where like some people are like really going into Oh my God, that’s crazy people have lost their mind and even your family might think you lost your mind. So you know just kind of like the conversation we had a little bit before we started recording it’s confronting you lose your you start losing old parts of your identity when you decide to go on the spiritual journey, and I really You know, I hope this episode really helps people into leaning into that or like really owning who they actually are, you know, rather than hiding in the corner and being like, Well, I have these thoughts, but I’m not going to talk about it.

Brandon Handley 2:13

Now. That’s awesome. So I definitely want to get into that. But before we, before we get into that, let’s, let’s dig into, you know, who the spiritual market as is and kind of where you are in life, what you kind of what you offer out there. Let’s dig into that a little bit. So if somebody never met you, and you could say more than five words, because we have social media, what would you be saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 2:39

I would say that my content is like a blend of comedy and spirituality. And it’s really helpful for people to move in and move into their space as messengers and speak that authentic message that converts into paying clients. But in a way that’s enjoyable. I think a lot people focus on clients. But then they get the clients and then they can’t be themselves around them. And then they’re like, oh, what am I doing? So like I really taken the blend of, do you feel good about your art? And are you profiting off of that art rather than doing business well, but feeling horrible because you’re not getting creative, or doing art, but not creating that into business because it’s not translatable into business. And I think it gets to be a both slash and conversation.

Brandon Handley 3:32

Now, I love it, right? So you’re helping people who are in one of those spaces already, right and to, for the person who’s solely like focused on business and coaching and getting clients. You’re like, hey, loosen up a little bit. This should be This should be fun for you, and that should shine through somewhere. Otherwise you look very clinical. Right? And you’re probably not having fun yourself. And I can tell it looks like you’re not having fun yourself because you looked pent up whenever I see you, right? Yeah. And then you’ve got the artists person who’s like, who’s like, I’m not worried about money and I don’t care and like, you know, there’s just like there’s like, but in the end, like if you just make help that artists person who’s who is very creative to just get over that chasm or whatever, just a little bit of like, hey, it’s okay to take money for what you do. Right? And it’s okay to profit from what you love to do. And, and and kind of merge it right. So you kind of merging those two, is that what I’m hearing you say?

Brandon Marshall Havener 4:33

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that kind of brings me back before I even considered myself a business owner. I was doing hip hop music and I was having people come into my parents basement to record and I was so afraid of charging people I was like, you know, they’re my friends or like, you know, or I wouldn’t be too pressured about charging so I would find myself, you know, working on this art and I I really think it takes away You know, your love for the art when you’re not owning your value and charging for it because then all of a sudden you find yourself doing a bunch of stuff for people for free. And, you know, you may hear the similar thing from a lot of people where it’s like, just give me your art and I’ll give you exposure that occur. And that just it really eats away at your soul and sort and you may even fall into the trap of feeling like you don’t really love your art when really it’s just the boundaries that was failed to me place there.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:35

Sure, sure. Um, yeah, tell me a little bit more about like, what you mean by by the boundaries being failed to play, sir.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:42

Yeah, so it’s like, you know, like, someone might come up to you and say, Hey, you know, do this graphic for me because exposure, you know, I’ll give you exposure and return and then you’re like, doing hours of work for somebody because it’s like, you know what they care about me they’re given the exposure or other opinion You sort of like, just got a boss for your art. And then you’re like, wait a minute, I’m not getting paid for this. I’m not doing exactly what I want to do. And I think that’s really something that people fall into. It’s like not, and it starts from like, really not valuing the art. Right? You tivity because it’s so easy for us,

Brandon Handley 6:20

right? Yeah, no. 100% right. So I mean, that I think that speaks to, like, the language that you speak, right? Like you speak your own type of language. And it’s so easy for you just like this art that you couldn’t possibly understand how, how somebody else finds value and what comes so easily you? Yep. Right. So yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s great. And you know, to understand the value that you bring to someone, and if you’ve never charged somebody for it before, you don’t know it can be an uncomfortable situation, because then somebody’s like, well, you’re just really greedy. Why don’t you you know, just give it to me. Yeah. If you’re so speaking, you know, in terms of, you’re so spiritual like, shouldn’t be, shouldn’t the energy just come to you when you need the things that you need? Right? So, I think that’s a challenge too, especially in this this, uh, you know, spiritual coaching or spiritual space. And I’ve seen I’ve seen that be said, and I was like, well, this is just an energy exchange. Give me a fucking money.

Brandon Marshall Havener 7:14

Yeah, right. I want to get paid. I mean, money was created to make things simple. So we’re not trading like fucking potatoes or apples, right? Like we were put into like, you know, obviously people have their own opinions about the system and all things but the brilliant thing about the system of money is we don’t have to do all this guesswork of what is you know what things are valued at what So, really, I tried to stay away from the barter stuff because of that because it can complicate things and it’s not to say bartering is evil or wrong or anything like that. But I just feel it’s easier. Even if we are doing some sort of trade. It’s like wait, you know, I Have an established price for the service I do but then I’ll sell you this and then I’ll buy that for even if you know like you do miss like buying from each other rather than doing a trade because then the the boundaries can get kind of murky and then you you can leave that relationship with resentment because no one was really keeping tabs on what parts of value is being exchanged not 100% right when you’re using money there’s there’s a predetermined set right? This is $1 that’s $1 you know, versus you know, give me that Apple for that orange type thing that’s just it never it never really works out and there’s always I think on one and a level of discomfort right like yeah you know still waiting on my oranges and you know the other person like they’re not in season yet bro right? So I mean that type of thing. So, so I love I love that you know you’re doing it from the side but you know what, I don’t know. What I don’t know is like, you know, how do you go from like hip hop in the basement to the military to you Being in this spiritual space. Wow, this is though, that it I was all I always saw myself as like a creative artist and hip hop at one point that was like, I would say, like right now, you know, writing content is sort of the same thing. You know, it’s like it’s putting art together and putting it out there. But what I found is in my, I was gonna say late 19th, but 19th isn’t a thing. But like, when I was 19 or so I started getting into personal development, spirituality and business. So I was dabbling in different things. And, you know, in fact, there’s some more stuff in there. I probably did so much stuff in my early 20s, but didn’t master everything out of it. But I did real estate investing and, you know, I, I did internet marketing, like I started an email list and start leasing hip hop beats, so I was just experimenting with a lot of stuff. And you know, I guess that’s good for a young person because you get to see what you like and what you don’t like. Then I realized that for I had that realization, I probably read it in a book somewhere. But I had the realization that my mind was all over the place like I wanted to go from real estate to selling hip hop beats, internet marketing, and all this crazy stuff. And then I joined the military, not as a way of like, let me get free college or anything like that, or it wasn’t even about the money because the money was actually quite horrible. But I knew that it would help me be disciplined into like, following something through to completion. In fact, I remember, like one of my mom’s friends was she she shared with me that he was telling her that he didn’t believe I was going to go through basic training. So like, that was a big thing for me to go through that grueling activity, even if it was painful and then completing completing it anyway. And I think that’s what a lot of creatives need because You know, when you’re a startup or you’re like, you get so inspired by a new idea. A trap could be when things get tougher or you know, you meet that resistance is to convince yourself, Well, this isn’t aligned anymore. So I’m gonna move on to a new craft and then a new craft, but then you master nothing. So I think the the big thing about military is it taught me to stick through something even when the resistance started getting high or got inconvenient.

Brandon Handley 11:29

I’m excited. That makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. I think it’s really interesting, too, that you got involved. I mean, how did you listen when I was 19? Um, you know, the furthest thing from my mind was like, personal development and or real estate investing or any of that stuff. You know, I was, I was partying real hard. So I mean, I think that that even indicates You know, this this what, how’d you how’d you get into it at that young age?

Brandon Marshall Havener 11:58

Yeah, I I was online I got out of like a horrible breakup. And I was the first question is how do I get my ex back? So I was looking that up and then I ended up on some guy’s email list and it just fell I fell into this rabbit hole of personal development because it’s like, he was selling me getting my ex back. But it was really uh, you know, how do you improve your, you know, body language and how you carry yourself and how do you interact with relationships? So, you know, I started becoming a new person and learning all this new stuff. And then I asked myself like, well, if I can learn this, isn’t there a way to learn how to like make a ton of money rather than going to college because this community college stuff isn’t working for me. So yeah, it was it was pretty much like one rabbit hole led to the other and that led to spirituality. I think I first heard about Wayne Dyer from dating program. I don’t know if you ever heard of pagane but he had an alias David DeAngelo. And he would talk about how to attract women. But this one program I got from him was like talking about Wayne Dyer. So all of a sudden, I’m listening to Wayne Dyer in my early 20s. So

Brandon Handley 13:15

Wow, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. So, who knows? I think like, how do I get my ex back is like the number one. Google search, right? Yeah, I think it’s like ranks up top there. But who knows? Who knew that that would kind of lead to, you know, kind of spiritual and personal development. I love I love how you kind of took on that challenge. You you you cited that kind of like a personal challenge for yourself. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 13:38

Yeah. Come on. I mean, even yoga that was promoted to me as Hey, there’s a lot of women that do yoga and there’s not a lot of men that do yoga.

Brandon Handley 13:47

do yoga. in your favor, right? Yeah, I generally favor and I think that um, you know, it’s kind of funny you bring up Wayne Dyer is actually just putting a piece together based off of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and You know, Cain dire dire like worked under him right on if he knew that like he as low like he ran into math low I forget one of his stories right and that’s kind of how he went into this space I feel right like I don’t have the full story but I do know that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a little bit more I think intended and came from like a Dyer space like Wayne Dyer space then you know how we we use it we leverage it right now for like marketing for for everything right like I you know, just like college and all these other things. But I think that you know, big part a big part of that and and even when I got out of dire is is like you know that self actualization piece right at the top of that top of that pyramid. And it’s funny because you’re talking about the you know, your base level needs right? Like I need, you know, I need my girlfriend back I need all these other things back and until like you fix all those pieces. The rest of it doesn’t matter. Like these are the things that I need my life right and until I get that then then Then we’re not talking. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:02

Yeah, a lot of people are, you know, brought to a certain level of pain and then they’re like, they just fall into spirituality somehow.

Brandon Handley 15:11

Well, yeah, I mean that that could be right. That could be I’m always on the other end of that, to be honest with you, I you know, how I kind of came into it was not painful for me, right. Like, you know, I kind of fell into it, right, like a fucking swan song or whatever, you know, like, oh, whatever, you know, but but which is why I’m always like, you know, you don’t have to you don’t have to go through like, you know, tremendous pain to like, have a better life. Right? Yeah,

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:38

I want that. I’m gonna Place Order now. My next life. I wanted to be a little more smooth.

Brandon Handley 15:44

Yeah, I mean, listen, don’t get me wrong, like you. Maybe you got into it earlier. And it was rougher. It came from me, like later in life is like, Well, yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and take that. Take that experience. So I know you’ve gone over this in one of the recent podcasts. I love To so you know if you’re working with somebody and it’s brand new to them getting into this internet marketing space I you know what she calls it just internet marketing anymore or is it marketing in general social media marketing anyways? What would you do if you were starting today?

Brandon Marshall Havener 16:17

Oh man. So what did I say on that podcast? Yeah, so like if I started today I would well first I think like the main thing is speaking a consistent message like that’s your first line of defense because you want people coming to your profile and having a reaction of fuck Yes, sir. Fuck no. Got your page in there either leaving right away or fully attracted and loving yourself like it’s a breath of fresh air. So I would start with like, talking all the crazy stuff that you wanted to talk about and not even worry if one person likes it or not. In fact, I sort of recently got into that on Twitter, because Twitter’s a new battle. Feeling for me. So I’m just like posting my craziest thoughts on Twitter and seeing if like someone comes on there and picks it up. And then the other thing is being proactive. I would really look into who speaks a message or who is an expander for you. And this is something that Lacey Phillips talks about she, she labels them expander so I’m sure she owns that word or something. But expanders are basically people in doing something that you are a want to be doing in a way that you want to be doing it and have like a similar story or you know, a similar vibe. So, I’d say for me, like one of those people would be JP Sears like he’s doing a good job of mixing comedy and spy.

Brandon Handley 17:46

Yeah, you know, yeah. Okay, I see that for you.

Brandon Marshall Havener 17:50

Yeah, so So with that, not only are you finding communities with like minded people that you can start adding into your social media. You also have an incentive. Have somebody who’s already doing what you want to do. And it’s like you building a community with some people who also love JP Sears and a few other people that you admire, like that’s just one of the most brilliant ways because you’re producing something that is on the same value level and like the energy level, but also like a similar topic that works with them, but you’re also bringing your own flavor into it. So it’s just like a good it’s a good strategy of knowing who’s going to be more receptive to your work. And this isn’t perfect, like if you’re just starting out you you’re going to evolve you’re going to change and you’re going to learn new things, but it’s realizing that market research a big part of market research is actually starting the conversation and rather what whether it’s perfect or not, like just having that imperfect conversation and and letting it be more of a test rather than taking it personal. And then I would say the method there is Like, what I was taught was like a three by three by three method. So like, find three people communicate with three different communities. So like, whether it’s through people’s statuses or their Facebook groups or whatever it may be, and just have fun conversations like, like you’re going to a party, you know, you’re not selling hard or anything like that. You’re just, you know, having fun and communicating with people online. And then add three of those people today and and engage on three posts of theirs that you you resonate with. I think I put a lot of threes in that, but

Brandon Handley 19:38

that’s good enough that I mean, it’s really good, right? But I mean, I think that um, and I can go I can go back to when I first started, right, it was a spam friend, everybody, try and get them all in your group and then sell them on your stuff, right? Yeah. So there’s a lot of missing nuances in that strategy.

Brandon Marshall Havener 19:57

I was taught to comment and like and message them right away. Right? I disagree with that. Now I agree with like, having conversations in their comments section. By the way, a big thing is that you actually resonate with the status rather than pretending like Yeah, great. I liked your dog. Right? And you actually hate dogs. But um, for sure, but like, you know, I just, you know, comment and engage with people with no attachment of if they’re gonna join my group or buy my stuff. Like, right there, I started the conversation and then you know, they’re coming up on my profile and having a conversation. It’s more of a it’s more of like a gradual build. You want it to feel as natural as possible rather than forced or like forcing yourself to introduce yourself for sure because the relationship will grow like there’s one person that I found and I thought his video was absolutely I thought his content and his video was absolutely amazing. And you know, he His he lives in DC. So that’s cool. And I thought like, hey, that could be a future friend actually. But then two days ago see I’m I’m talking about like a budding bromance now. Two days ago, He’s, uh, you know, he’s spouting off on his livestream that I win the best content of the, you know, month award. So like, right there, you’re building a relationship. And the same thing goes with attracting clients. And that’s exactly how my relationship started to. She found me in a Facebook group and fell in love with my content. I fell in love with her content. And then we went on a first date, and we did a live stream together. So awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. It’s great for building amazing relationships

Brandon Handley 21:45

now. Yeah. So I love it. Right, because again, it’s the whole spam Enos aspect of it, right. And I think Yeah, those days are gone, which is actually kind of nice, right? But you brought up the bromance part. I just want I just remembered like I met a guy, you know, when I was in North Carolina and we got together we had some lunch and stuff. He goes out What are you looking for? I was like, I’m looking for a lifelong friendship and I think you like right there. He like kind of just cut it off. Right? But But also, you kind of talk what I’m hearing you say too, is it’s a little bit like a mush. Are you a story brand? person? Have you? Are you familiar with like, you know, you date date date, you asked for marriage? Somebody says, No, you date you date some more? Yes. for marriage. You know what I mean? So you continue on that relationship. And every once in a while, I mean, you go to sell them, right, like, all right, every once in a while, I was like, here’s the line. Are we are we are we together forever now? Okay, let’s take some more. You know, is that what you’re saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 22:41

Yeah, something like that. Like, you know, like I see. I see like my Facebook community or my Instagram community, I guess, you know, people that can interact with and are like minded and who would enjoy my content, and often I enjoy their content. And then I’m open about my programs. So more like attraction marketing, where it’s like, I’m gonna put my stuff out there every day. I know, in the internet marketing rules, I think some people say I only mentioned a program one out of every 20 times, right? I kind of blow those rules out of the water. And every day I’m promoting, you know, a new program that’s, you know, that I’m doing. And I think one piece of resistance that people will think about that is, is that being too salesy, or you know, are you selling too much, and it’s shifting the mentality. One part of my mentality is if people can walk away with this content for free and benefit off of it, but then I have no problem with putting a call to action at the end of it, and telling people how they can reach the next level. And then another part of the mentality is that I’m inviting them rather than hard selling them, and it’s going to be a win win situation for them because they’re exchanging money and they’re getting an awesome service work.

Brandon Handley 23:58

Yeah, I mean, Well, listen, I don’t know how How many programs you’ve actually consumed yourself that have been free and you’re like, you know what, this one was free. I don’t care. Yeah versus versus I paid $500 for this, I’m gonna finish this shit. Huh?

Brandon Marshall Havener 24:12

Right and energetic spiritual sense. A lot of times my clients will join a program didn’t read one piece of content and then money drops in for them or same thing happens on the other end of things like money will drop in for me when I make an online investment. I think even most recently my girlfriend hired a new coach. I think it was like a 2500 package and less than 24 hours she received 2000 like just insane thing. Yeah, it’s pretty great for itself.

Brandon Handley 24:44

Yeah, and that’s pretty crazy. Kind of like once you release it, it comes right back, right. Yeah, I you know, I’ve been a big fan of recently More more recently than not is like, you know, if I if I send this money out, I’m expecting to come back with his friends. Yeah, right. And like, you know, so But that but that can be a challenge. Now, let’s talk about that a little bit too is like, you invested in yourself, like very heavily at one point. And it sounds like at one point maybe meant like too much.

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:11

But yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:12

what would you say the return of your investments have been? And was it too much?

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:17

Well, right now, it wasn’t too much. But if you if you go into the mentality of, you know, I making this investment and I need the money back tomorrow, or you’re putting yourself on an island in survival mode, that’s when it becomes detrimental. But I would even say like, the big investments I made back in 2015 is still paying dividends in my business, my relationship and all the things because it’s like, I wouldn’t be in the relationship I’m in now if I didn’t have the tools or I didn’t go to those retreats. I just want to be as awakened. I, you know, we wouldn’t be talking about the things we talk I wouldn’t be on this podcast. But where I went wrong is I played this peer pressure game of saying yes to every single thing. I was kind of like in circles of where there’s these hardcore sales bros and stuff like that, where, you know, there’s kind of like this masculine ego of saying no to investing in yourself. So I was constantly saying yes to things even and getting to a point where I was abandoning my own financial values. And there’s also a lot of lingo in the coaching industry, where it’s like, if you don’t invest in yourself, or if you don’t have a one on, you know, one on one coach or mastermind or whatever, how can you be selling coaching so I was always putting that pressure on myself to like, really amplify things to the top level and sort of like, take ridiculous leaps that that put me into situations that I shouldn’t have been in and how I would change that. is just to take it slower, you know, I would have made some of the same investments. But I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have abandoned myself, I would have said no to a lot more things than I then. I did back then.

Brandon Handley 27:14

Sure, sure. But I mean, you know, in the end, though,

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:18

you’re here now, right? You kind of meet

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:20

Mike. Like, I can look back and say I would have changed it, but I also think I don’t, you know, I don’t regret it. And maybe I want to so it’s a weird catch. 22 right there,

Brandon Handley 27:32

not for sure. Sure. I love to that you you’d mentioned that, uh, you know, you got almost as much value out of some of the lower cost products as you did from some of the higher cost products. I’m curious myself, like, what were some of the ones in the lower end? And you know, and the top end that really brought and changed

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:51

the way Yeah, I would say one big thing was actually when it was like I couldn’t do you know, I couldn’t do any high end stuff anymore. Like I’ve been I went to the brim of what I could do my capacity there and then I think it was like a it might have been a $500 course back in 2016 and it was a manifestation course and what are not only did I learn more about journaling and manifestation I also realize what I was doing with my marketing that wasn’t aligned for me so at that time I stopped booking my my days with sales calls all the time where I was stopped hiding my prices, and not saying any of that stuff is bad. A lot of people succeed with that stuff. But it wasn’t working for me like it just wasn’t. And I noticed that I was thriving more when I was more transparent about my prices, I was more open and I was using my content to pull people in. Rather than thinking I had to book a bunch of calls with people or falling even falling into the mentality that the only way out could transform lives was high ticket like, I was meant to do a lot of low ticket because and I think one big indicator is if you’re an artist or a content creator that loves content, you’re probably designed to do a lot of low ticket stuff, not just low ticket stuff, but you know, you probably are designed and you may hear a message from a lot of high ticket coaches, that high ticket is on the way cuz that’s a way that they’re selling. So that’s a big one that I learned and then later on, you know, I was going through, you know, some previous relationship turmoil with an ex, back back full circle to what started personal development, right. But I remember joining a program for like, $300 and the day a day or two after, you know, the relationship broke apart and it was it was meant to happen, but it was painful, right. And I you know, I just liked it. Myself heeling in ways that, you know, I didn’t realize I needed to do, I was like holding on to an old relationship. And it just like broke that wide open the moment I joined the program, and I wouldn’t be here today, if I didn’t go through that work.

Brandon Handley 30:16

Now. That’s great. That’s great. And, you know, I think that I’ve also heard you say, you leverage this kind of like the compound effect to it’s these small investments and even some of the big ones that, you know, even if you expect that result to happen today, like you said, right, like, come from a place of scarcity, like listen, I just dropped like 20 k this year, and I’m gonna meet all that back right now. Right? And that can be scary to put yourself in that position. But over time that the dividends start adding up that one can kind of say,

Brandon Marshall Havener 30:45

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s crucial, you know, some coaches may not agree, you know, with this message or like, wait, you can’t tell people this. By it’s so crucial not to put yourself into survival mode. And saying this has that and put that on your heart, you know, and you you’re you’re making it a lot harder for you to be creative and in manifestation mode and open to receiving and all of that stuff. So, you know stretch you know, stretch your investments and increase your capacity you know, do some of the scary stuff but don’t do it in a place of wait if I make this investment I’m not going to pay rent for three, you know, is gonna This is like three months of rent. So I really consider that.

Brandon Handley 31:31

Not me. I think it’s an important message. Right? I I you know, I hate to bring up Tony Robbins, but I’ll bring up Tony Robbins. I still remember like, one of his messages and one of his earlier tapes is he’s talking to Al Gore. Right? And Al Gore said, I didn’t lose because of XYZ and Tony Robbins like no, you’ll get lost because you weren’t resourceful enough, right? And I think that if you open yourself up to what’s possible, and you’re not going at all this stuff from a scarcity mindset, right? As in like it’s urgent this has to happen. You might find like there’s a whole bunch of different ways to get what you need to get what you want. And I’ll say this because my first my first program I took I put it on a credit card and then like for some reason like I don’t know why I didn’t think to get like a small personal loan or something which is so easy to get right and wouldn’t had like to worry and panic about paying off the debt on the credit card as fast right? So, you know, for for anybody’s out there like, I mean, listen, there’s there’s programs from $50 to you know, 25 grand, depending on your, your tastes, right. But when you’re coming at it, don’t come at it from like, you have to have that money in your pocket today. You don’t have to put it on a credit card. There’s other ways to kind of get that money as well. So I’m just gonna leave it with that right? Just because,

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:47

yeah, it

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:48

doesn’t have to just be on your credit card. Right? That’s, that’s huge, because oftentimes, when we’re stuck in our head, and we only look at it through one narrow vision, we think that the things that we want to obtain is hard. But if you allow yourself to open up your mind and ask yourself, you know, maybe even journal it out and ask the question of like, what are all the ways that I can make this happen? Then you find multiple solutions and then you you get out of your head and you realize, wait, manifesting that thing is a lot easier than I thought it was, you know, something that I noticed with me was support like having cleaning, you know, cleaning service and all that stuff. I thought that was like, I was just conditioned at a young age thinking that that’s what only rich people do, or, you know, like you it was like, super expensive, but then you just like look at it, it’s like, oh, you know, $100 or so or this is you know, this percent of my income, whatever. That’s not that’s not bad. You know, right. I think we kind of look at support as some a lot of times you look at support as something that’s unreachable when it for many people is probably reachable now and will open up a lot.

Brandon Handley 33:56

I was looking at it as if you can go spend like 60 bucks for a case study. 120 bucks at a night at the bar, like maybe if you don’t do that spend that money at the bar, you might be able to spend that like on getting a house cleaner and having these other things or, you know, maybe saving up for some of these courses or someplace that might have a benefit. Right? And look, man, if you’re going to the bar and hanging out there, I don’t care you do you right? Nothing wrong with that, because Lord knows I spent a lot of money in the bars myself. Right. So well, you

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:27

can’t be doing that

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:28

now. No, no, I mean, look, I mean,

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:31

time, hey,

Brandon Handley 34:32

it’s a bad idea. It’s a bad idea. But be it’s just like, you know, when you really look at it, like you probably do have the resources to do some of these things. You just been using those resources in other areas, right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:46

Yeah. And sometimes we kind of look at that through our old conditioning and patterns that probably our parents told us or the people that were raising us told us and we got to like take a step back and be like, wait, what’s really possible?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:59

Right? Yeah, well Hey look at me

Brandon Handley 35:00

so I love I love so spirituality right

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:04

I don’t know what your kind of your approaches

Brandon Handley 35:06

but with you know your spiritual self what is impossible what’s impossible yeah with with with spirituality is there anything that’s not possible

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:18

I guess there’s nothing really impossible you know it probably probably be tough to walk on water but shit maybe there’s a way the

Brandon Handley 35:27

right shoes will do it man the right shoes though but i mean you know so because and the reason I kind of bring this up because a man says you rise to your level of thinking right so if you’re thinking of yourself as a human being you kind of think of yourself as just what you see here right and and all these other things and if you can think of yourself as a spiritual being, you know well then then automatically like I’m no longer Am I confined to just like my tangibles, right. The things I can see, hear, touch and smell the immediate senses. So I was just curious kind of what your take is on that. the mindset of spirituality.

Brandon Marshall Havener 36:01

Yeah, I just think quantum physics is so interesting because it’s like the idea that this computer’s not solid, or I’m not like, I don’t have my arms on the table right now. It’s all just like a projection from our mind. Yeah, I think like, there’s so much that’s possible. I think we’re kind of like in these constraints in the human experience, in a way, but I think it’s all it’s all by belief. Now, I don’t know if you know, I can’t tell everyone listening to this are going to walk through a door, something like that. Right. Right. I mean, closed door, but yeah, I think there’s, I think there’s like just a lot that we don’t know. Yeah, there’s a lot available to us that we have no idea and we’re sort of like on the tip of the iceberg of what we know or what we’re actually seeing. Or, you know, like, it’s like, you know, just by human vision, there’s probably a lot more around me right now that I don’t see.

Brandon Handley 36:59

I mean, they say you you’d only see like 99 or like, you know, 99.9% of like the light spectrum, you cannot see. So it’s like, I mean, there’s, you know, what am I missing? Right? What am I? What am I not seeing? Not as curious kind of on your take there. Right? And, you know, it’s funny that you bring up those, like, you know, what we know today what we think we know today, right? It is like just barely part of it. I mean, I was literally just reading an article that, oh, today they figured out sperm doesn’t swim the same way that they’ve always thought that it swam. So it’s like, it’s like, what how do we even get here but but even on top of that, right? Do you you know, do you Brandon know how your hair grows but you’re doing it right? Do you know how like your you know, your white blood cells inside of your own body that are closest thing to you that can be close to you? Do you know how that happens? But it’s fucking happening.

Brandon Marshall Havener 37:52

And that’s the thing you know, the main thing I think about is like wealth. You know, when people look at money, we try to I think our ego really tries to figure out like, how am I going to manifest this thing? Or how am I going to do it? And it’s kind of taking a step back and having that same thought process of our hair growing. It’s like, what if I just allowed it to happen? What if I just got out of the way and let it happen?

Brandon Handley 38:17

Yeah, that’s the whole Jesus take the wheel thing, right? Or, you know, let go and let God right. And this is like, but it’s terrifying to think in that way. I don’t know if you’ve read the Michael singer surrender experiment book. No, I haven’t read that one. But I mean, it talks exactly the same thing, though. Like, at some point. He’s like, God, just kind of I just kind of let go and let the let the universe take care of me ended up like a billion dollar company. I was like, Okay. I don’t know how you just fall into that shit. But, you know, I’m sure there had to be some involvement with it. But you know, so that’s what he said though. He said he felt like he just kind of opened up and let the things just kind of carry on through so and it should be as easy right? share this with you too I got this um I ordered a you know one of those mixed up incense packs right because well should be just as easy as as breathing right I’m not sure if you had anybody ever say why should this be just like breathing for you like what it’s not so put it hasn’t been up to this point so I got this I this is not an ad this is a this is it says money matrix it’s um you know incense so if I’m burning money matrix and money incense to it is just as easy so I get myself kind of conditioned to breathing in money so anyways,

Brandon Marshall Havener 39:37

I would have been a perfect dad though you might have to get an affiliate link,

Brandon Handley 39:40

if I can find one. So so the investing itself would cover kind of the compound effect. These are all things that have jotted down for you. I’ve heard you you know, I’d love to hear some more of your influences. I heard you mentioned kind of Hicks mentioned Dyer. I’m assuming you know you you’ve read the compound effect. The book what are some other like kind of influences and spaces? That a tune in today that are helping you on your way?

Brandon Marshall Havener 40:11

Yeah, so one of my one of my mentors and you know, I’ve gone through so many of our programs is Katrina Ruth. And I really like her because she has like the rebel, the mixture of like the rebel hustle vibe, but also the deep spiritual vibe and like when I found her like, that was a, you know, some of the programs that I did that were, you know, mid ticket and stuff that I was talking about. When I found her like, I was kind of like in the mixture of the spirituality and the hustle balance. So she really helped me break some of the rules and really become, you know, step into who I am today. That was really powerful. I really love some of Matt Kahn’s work like even just going on YouTube. And he has a book whatever arises love that or everything that arises love that something along the lines of that right and let’s see what book Am I reading right now? So this is a mixture of stuff because I go for Matt calm that’s like talking about love what arises and right now I’m reading Jocko willick Hi Yeah, I’ve been Navy dude yeah and like leadership strategies so I’m kind of diving into more masculine work as well. Ryan Metzler he has an awesome podcast order of man Andy for so real AF podcast so like is you know a mixture of that masculine energy and you know spiritual energy and I like to you know, I kind of like taking on like all that stuff.

Brandon Handley 41:47

Yeah. I love that I Ryan I interviewed on like a on my father had podcast years ago so they put me in touch with him. So, you know, it’s pretty cool. Definitely, you know, definitely intense right and kind of how it does Same but you know that that’s him, right? That’s t he is unabashedly himself. Oh, at least two he believes he is today. Right. And that’s, I love that. And, you know, I want to talk about that too is kind of how you talked about, you know, doing the things that you felt like you had to do, right, like, you know, the doing, doing the different types of methodologies and reaching out but then kind of winding it back so that you become yourself again. Yep. Yeah, talk about that a little bit so people can understand it. Understand it So, sure.

Brandon Marshall Havener 42:33

Yeah, I think it’s like kind of similar to the concept we were talking about when you only find one solution with the credit card but on a personal loan, and it’s like the same thing you may hear like a bunch of coaches and people that you’re following saying, this is how you do it, your sales call, do it this way. And then you’re convincing yourself like okay, what it must mean I’m unproductive if I’m not reaching out to people every single day or whatever, right? Matter of fact, I was in the trap of thinking that content was actually just fun for me. And reaching out to people was a real work. So if I did content that day, but I didn’t reach out to someone, I didn’t do enough work. So it’s just realizing and I think it’s seeking out and being curious about, if this doesn’t feel fully right of how I’m doing it and how I’m doing the business rules, what are some things that I get to do that would feel more expansive for me? So, you know, there’s so many different methods and strategies to build business, your business or personal development in general, really, but it’s really about finding that one align strategy that works with you like clockwork, and if you’re meeting a lot of resistance behind it alignment to that it’s something that should first be questioned.

Brandon Handley 43:54

The alignment should be

Brandon Marshall Havener 43:55

Yeah, sure

Brandon Handley 43:56

that that’s happening. Um, I like I think, I think you also talks about a little bit of perseverance. So to write, like, you know not to just stop, like, you know, if, if you’re aligned, and you’re like, Hey, I’m totally aligned, and then like, something kind of pops up in a way like, ah, I gotta go the other way and do something else. I mean, kind of getting past like, I don’t know if you’re a fan or if you’ve ever read Ryan holidays, the obstacles the way. But you know, that obstacle, that thing that gets thrown up in front of your alignment may be the thing that you need thrown up in your way so that you can expand and get beyond it to the rest of your alignment, which is on the other side of that shit.

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:35

Yeah, like be able to ask questions of what else can I try? What else can I do? What would what would work here? Rather than just hiding in the corner and being like, God doesn’t work? This sucks. Nothing works. Right? Well ask questions.

Brandon Handley 44:48

Yeah. What are some questions you like when something’s not working?

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:52

One thing I’d like just I wonder what else I get to try. You know, I wonder I wonder what else would work I wonder what would Feel expansive for me to do today? You know, and journaling it out when you get it out of your head, it really helps. And that’s something that I learned. I don’t know if you you’ve read gay Hendricks a big leap.

Brandon Handley 45:13

Not got it though. Sitting on my bookshelf

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:16

that is one of the most important books, okay.

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:20

It’s the upper limit problem. And he talks about like, drift, you know, there’s so many ways that we drift, like if we get distracted scrolling our newsfeed or binge eating or whatever it may be. But there’s only a few shift moves to get us into alignment and power again, and one of the major ones is curiosity. And so it’s like getting curious when you’re hitting an obstacle. That helps shift you back into alignment. Rather, I think one of people’s go to people’s go to response if they hit a hidden objective is to be like, Okay, let me distract myself with something. Let me go on the news. Let me either thing or whatever it may be. So I’m just asking that question and journaling it out and truly help.

Brandon Handley 46:06

Now I think that’s super beneficial. definitely helpful for anybody, you know, when you when you hit that obstacle, stop, pause and be like, how else can I process right? Like, this isn’t? This isn’t in my way again, this isn’t in my way, this is the way what you know, or, you know, I like the, the story of like, diamonds in my backyard, right? Like, the whole diamonds in the backyard stories, like, you know, you travel all over the world, look over the thing that you’ve got right there in front of you, right? So, you know, take that opportunity to step back and don’t get pensive, right, like, you know, you take that gasp and like you feel like you’ve got to figure it out right now. No, you don’t. You don’t have to figure it out right now. Take a breath. And how else can you approach it like Brandon saying,

Brandon Marshall Havener 46:46

I co facilitated event with a mentor of mine while back and I remember an exercise that we did that was really helpful in a physical sense, where, you know, you pair two people together and the dots go away. To get past that person that other person’s post a block you, right, I let you get past them. Yeah. And basically what we learned from that is if you try to use force, you’re not going to get past that person or, you know, unless you know, you’ve really got violent but that was part of the exercise right? By the solution ended up being is like if you could make them laugh or you did some goofy stuff or something like that, then you could find your way around them. And that’s sort of like every problem in life. It’s like when you when you can pattern interrupt or have fun within rather than being tense and strict and or even add breaths to the situation. The obstacle starts to dissolve.

Brandon Handley 47:41

Love it, love it. I think one of the other things I’ve heard too is is that laughter which is what you bring, right? You bring some good humor and some fun, that helps people. Remember things and I’m not sure what you found in terms of how laughter can be beneficial. What have you. What have you found

Brandon Marshall Havener 48:00

Yeah, so so with laughter, there’s a few things but like with laughter It’s really, it really lowers people’s resistance and allows people to receive stuff. So instead of being all tense or combative with people, you know, you can really get a message across. If you can have somebody laughing. They may might not even agree with the opinion, but now they’re laughing. And they’re actually considering it. But I think the first thing I started about laughter and I think it was like Marilyn Monroe saying, Do you know if you could get a girl to laugh, you can date or write it or do anything or something like that. And dating was my first thing that I was working on. So I was like, hey, if I can learn to be funny, then you know, I can be attractive to women. So like, but the same thing goes with clients and people in general. Like if you can get them to laugh, they’ll want to be around you.

Brandon Handley 48:50

For sure. For sure. I’d much rather hang out with somebody who’s making me laugh and making me cry or too serious, right? So very cool, man. So I want to talk about what you’ve got running out. out there right now your current offering, which is the sole troll, Tell me Tell us a little bit about what’s happened with the soul troll.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:05

Yeah, that’s a perfect follow up for laughter So soul troll is really being able to I notice no one’s having fun on the internet like, I mean, some people are having fun but like a lot of people aren’t having fun on the internet. We’re having

Brandon Handley 49:17

fun with them. They’re getting fucking cup of it. Yeah.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:20

Like he’s hypersensitive times and all that stuff. So I really want to bring that back where people can tell the truth, make people laugh, have a good time and speak the message that they really wanted to in the first place. So, you know, I think down more than ever, is it’s important to speak the truth, even if it’s uncomfortable. So doing that in a fun way. And somebody actually messaged me about soul troll the other day and she was asking me, like, about a situation where a woman was upset about something she posted that might have been offensive and she was walking on eggshells. So like something else that I’m bringing with soul troll is going deep. into when are you actually responsible for offending someone and hurting somebody? And when is it somebody projecting on to you? So it’s like, being able to balance being fully expressed without feeling like you’re harming or being an asshole in the process.

Brandon Handley 50:17

That’s fair. I mean, look, I mean, I think I think a lot I think that’s a huge benefit, right? So we don’t want to run around and be a bunch of, you know, bag of dicks, right? That’s, that’s not not most people. That’s not their intent. Right. Want to go out there? Give some value and have some fun, right without hurting someone. Right, you know, you know, too bad anyways, right? Yeah. Don’t want to rough them up too bad. But have some fun. It sounds to me like you’re building some resilience is Isn’t that right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 50:46

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s like the more and more that you put yourself out there then you realize it’s all fun like for me. I know like canceling people is the thing and stuff but like for me if someone a group of people got mad at me, I have fun. Little bit. I actually wanted in some way but that since I desired so much, I think I’d pushed that away. I don’t think people want to cancel me anymore. So I don’t

Brandon Handley 51:11

know man. So really I had a lot of fun here guys. I think there’s a anybody’s listening to this. I think there’s a lot of value in Brandon and what you’ve brought here today. And thanks for sharing. I you know what I did want to touch on this last piece right was it’s like, I don’t think we’ve touched on it in the podcast, which is like coming from a place of spirituality, and how scary that was for you and what, how did it open up for you after you started leading with spirituality?

Brandon Marshall Havener 51:38

I think it was scary for me in many ways because, you know, wondering if a family was going to think I was crazy or friends and peers. So that was it was something that I had to lean into and and deal with the judgment or I think one big thing is having a stable job, like so is mixed with entrepreneurship. And I remember my dad was kind of pushed trying to push me into being a like an electrician or something which is fairly out of the rubble what I would do good. So I think a big thing that I had to do was stand up to that even saying, like, No, I just want to do this coaching thing and maybe have them feel like I’m a weirdo or I’m out of my mind for a minute by like detaching myself from my parents expectations or my family expectations and go in my own way, even when people don’t believe in it.

Brandon Handley 52:29

Yeah, that’s, that must have been tough, too. Right? attaching from that feeling. So I think that’s super important for people to hear and understand. It’s like, you know, kind of go your own way right. Letting Go. And you said it earlier to was kind of be open to kind of everything but attached like nothing type of thing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 52:46

Yeah. Right. A big thing was having a job too. There was like shame and not having a job. When it was going full time into business. It was really helpful having a mastermind that like everyone was like, Hey, you know, actually yeah. You know, like, cuz like all my life people would be like wager quitting your job. Why? So that was really helpful as well.

Brandon Handley 53:07

That’s great. So where should people go to find you?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:13

You can find me I’ll say two things. Sorry I offended you podcasts. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, Google, whatever else it’s on. It’s on like 50 like 50,000 platforms but uh or you could also go to spiritual smart ass, read calm and find my social media links and current programs and stuff like that.

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:35

Who’s your ideal client?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:37

My ideal client is the artist that is the artist, the rebel. You know, the people that want to break the rules and the people who want to express a unique sense of art and maybe they didn’t feel like the rules made sense in business for them, but they want to put they want to apply that to business. They don’t want it to be a hobby. They want to be respected as a business owner. While also respecting their own creativity.

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:04

Awesome, man. Thanks for joining me

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:05

today. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

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  • user avatarbrandon handley00:02All right, 54321 Hey there, spiritual dope. I’m on today with Donna Lynn Riley, who is a licensed spiritual health coach who helps people develop evolve and grow.
  • 00:17The answers they find that their journey, bring them to a new level clarity and emotional adjustment to help them develop their expertise in business systems management and marketing.
  • 00:25And addition to her 12 years as a licensed coach her background is the CEO of a multimillion dollar corporation.
  • 00:31informs her ability to help her clients navigate the inner workings of business systems Operations Management and Marketing so they can successfully put it all together themselves.
  • 00:42I’m going to cut it down because that, that’s great. And I’m so excited because, as we’re going back and forth a little bit here earlier. This is exactly what this podcast is about. So thank you for joining me today.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley00:53Oh, it’s my pleasure. It’s great what you’re doing. It’s great that you’re talking about this. It’s really good.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:58Thank you. Thank you. So you mentioned that you’d call it a couple of podcasts. So what I always like to say is you know you’re here today. We’re using this podcast as a vehicle to send somebody out there a message, what is it that they need to hear this coming through you today.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley01:17Well, I always think people need to know that life can be a lot easier than we’re making it. I think that that’s a place where
  • 01:29Almost invariably people don’t believe that. Right. They just go like, nah, couldn’t be that I got to work harder. I gotta do more. I gotta you know think more
  • 01:43I have to put out more effort. It’s got a cost more. There’s got to be a big, you know, emotional or financial cost to the things that I want in life and really
  • 01:54Life can be so much easier than we make it. And I think that that’s the benefit of of this approach of a spiritual practice that supports.
  • 02:06Business life and certainly family life, when I know lots of coaches who do that as well. And, you know, really kind of make it better, just make your life better.
  • user avatarbrandon handley02:16Yeah, no, absolutely. So the idea is that life doesn’t have to be so hard.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley02:21Really doesn’t
  • user avatarbrandon handley02:23And and also throw out there. I think in the first person that I know that’s worked on Broadway. Right. And this is this is a story that you tell
  • 02:30In one of your one of your videos right and helping once you tell people use that story real quick here right now. I love that story about just what you said there.
  • 02:41Do you remember so so I’ll take it away. So you were around 19 your brothers like 10 years old or new
  • 02:47Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
  • 02:50Yeah yeah
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley02:50Okay, okay. I gotcha. Sorry about that.
  • 02:54I was like I was there a long time. I don’t know.
  • user avatarbrandon handley02:58Just getting into it right and
  • 02:59How easy how easy sometimes
  • 03:01For you.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley03:01Yeah. So what I love about that is that, um, so. Okay, so let me let me kind of lay it out here so I’m like 19 years old I
  • 03:11You know, I’m just out the gate. Right. But I’m 10 foot tall and bulletproof because so was everybody when you’re 19
  • user avatarbrandon handley03:18Right. Yeah, absolutely.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley03:19And so when you’re not very dinged up
  • 03:22You know, you just think like everything’s okay and it’s going to work out for me and I kind of lived my life like that really clearly I wanted, and I got things I wanted them and they lined up.
  • 03:35So, um, I found myself on on Broadway, which I totally expected right because I wanted it. So, and I didn’t know any better, and
  • 03:46And my brother who’s 10 years older than I am. He, he knew better. And he is a he is still actually a scenic artist. And so I was a sound designer. He was a scenic artist and
  • 04:01He was working down the block. So I was working on Angels in America, and he was working on City of Angels, which I love that. But there were all these angel references. That’s kind of
  • user avatarbrandon handley04:14Sure, yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley04:15And. And he said, Oh, let’s, um, he was like down the block. And I hadn’t seen him in months. It wasn’t like, you know, we were spending Sunday night dinners together or something.
  • 04:24And he said, Let’s go for lunch. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Yeah, owning the town, you know, in my, in my own head, right.
  • 04:32Sure. And he said, you, you. He’s walking me to the to the place to get something to eat and
  • 04:40He said, You just don’t have any idea what it costs to get here. You don’t have any idea what these people around you have had to do to get where they want to go and in typical sort of 19 year old fashion. I thought, nope.
  • user avatarbrandon handley04:59Right.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley04:59I don’t care.
  • 05:00Sure, you know, really, for me, I realized that it is a story that’s centered around entitlement. Right, so it’s not very popular this moment, but
  • 05:10Being able to see yourself.
  • 05:13In the position that you want to be to be able to know that these are things that can happen for you as well as somebody else because
  • 05:24You put the work in and you are talented and you did you know you met the right people and you were in the right place and you took the all the steps to get there.
  • user avatarbrandon handley05:32Right.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley05:33There by choice. You don’t get to be on Broadway. If you suck.
  • 05:37You do not need. All right.
  • 05:39All right, but they send you home.
  • user avatarbrandon handley05:42Well, you know, I think.
  • 05:43I think that um I love how you’re hitting on entitlement in this insane and in this way because why should it not
  • 05:53Backup people like people bash millennials for kind of having like that kind of entitlement thing. Right. Well, what I admire about that, you know, I think that they would say you got Moxie kid right like kinda back in, but
  • 06:07You know what you want and you’re not settling for something that you don’t. So is that entitlement, or is that knowing your worth.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley06:17Right. It’s really tricky. It’s really tricky and it is a lot about alignment and I’ve been fortunate to hear you talk about alignment on the podcast previously and
  • 06:28It’s a really crucial step in that process. So,
  • 06:34Of course, if we want to get kind of
  • 06:37Cultural about it, then we can we can sort of back it up a little and say, Well, some people have a lot of things that support the belief already in their lives when they’re born, and when they’re, you know, one and two and three and so it, it becomes
  • 06:55There becomes a divide, but it’s a divide in belief.
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:00100%
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley07:00You know, so it’s a it is a really tricky thing. And the important thing for me in the work that I do with people.
  • 07:09Is to whether you’ve ever experienced that belief or not before is to help you to find that belief because without it is very, very, very difficult to get where you want to go. I, I know people who have done it. It’s like they kind of stumbled into their success and that’s okay.
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:25That’s true, but it’s not very reliable.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley07:29And so, you know, doing the inner work to create a system of belief for yourself so that
  • 07:36It doesn’t sound crazy that you’re going to have a successful business or that you’re going to get a client that you want to or that you’re going to get employees that work out well for you and things like that. I’m doing that inner work makes
  • 07:51All the outer stuff kind of
  • 07:52Line up real quick, like the story I just told where I went from two years or three years I spent in sound design, we’re learning from the best in the business. I was already learning from the people who were there, right.
  • 08:06And and and and so I was able to do that very quickly, where a lot of my classmates in college got there 1015 years later, and they worked a lot harder for something because they didn’t believe
  • 08:23They didn’t know
  • 08:23They thought, oh, I have to go out and do something else first
  • user avatarbrandon handley08:27Right. We listen, even me today, right now with this podcast. I love it so much. I want to put this, I want to put this
  • 08:36Nice polish on, I want to make it feel so good. I want it to be inviting you know
  • 08:40That, you know, and this isn’t wrong to hire somebody in marketing, but I like I really want these pieces I wanted to look so I want it to be so accepted because it’s so
  • 08:48meaningful to me right so I’m putting these blocks in
  • 08:53For myself, right. I’m just putting these. Oh, I gotta do this like nothing can happen until this happens and all these other things and and literally that is in my own mind, nobody else’s. I mean, nobody nobody else cares. That’s just me. Right.
  • 09:07Right. So when you’re out there.
  • 09:11And your clientele and and you’re working I do they seek you out for one or the other, do you introduce like you know
  • 09:20To the business pressure, like, well, if you just loop in some spirituality, then this might be better for you, like, tell me a little bit how this process of working with you, looks
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley09:30Yeah, so I kind of stand between that space right I stand between entrepreneurs and small business people who are
  • 09:40That’s what they do. That’s what they’ve learned. They have a strong background or they have a strong desire but they don’t necessarily have any spiritual practice at all.
  • 09:49And I sort of stand between that and the people who are very spiritually open but can’t figure out how to turn the computer on right
  • 09:59And rent like can’t figure out the details of, like, how do I charge people. And why would they pay me and
  • 10:06These kinds of like nuanced things that, of course, they have a lot of talent and they have a lot of
  • 10:13Value in the world, but so I do kind of stand in between those two spaces, I would say that for the most part, most of the people that I work with are
  • 10:26Are on the business side but are open.
  • user avatarbrandon handley10:30Okay.
  • 10:31Because okay you can
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley10:32Sort of insert and this is not you know there are a lot of really involved spiritual practices.
  • 10:39And they have value that is beyond what I’m about to express right so this is not to disparage any spiritual practices. I think they all have a lot of value and
  • 10:51But you can in a very short period of time with with not a ton of work right. You don’t have to go and study with the monks for 18 years right with with putting a practice into your life. You can attain a lot of result and a lot of ease in your life.
  • 11:12A lot less frustration, a lot of movement forward right so you can start to assess your situation better and access yourself in moments that are stressful better and all of these things lead to better businesses.
  • 11:30But aren’t always they’re not really taught too often.
  • user avatarbrandon handley11:35I mean, if you have the capability to kind of calm yourself down in the moment, or just realize what you’re about to say or
  • 11:43If you’re feeling tense right so what I’m hearing you say is like you’re giving them some of these tools to to really kind of ease into themselves and what they’re about.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley11:51Yeah, there’s bigger work that we do in order to make lasting change. And that really happens inside one on one trainings that I do or or inside group work that I do with people, but
  • 12:08There are so many little what we would call hacks right there, little, like, oh, if I do this, I feel a little better.
  • 12:16Right. And those are emergency hacks, you know, and they’re really useful. They’re a great way to get started. I think because
  • 12:26Getting a little relief reminds you that you’re probably going to get more relief. If you keep going in that direction. And I think that’s a great place to start, particularly for people who are
  • 12:41Who don’t have a strong spiritual background but know that like there’s something going on in my mind set or those kinds of words are being used a lot recently. Right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley12:51Right I yeah for sure. For sure. Right. Well, I mean, it’s funny because, you know, I think I started off in the mindset space right but now in this
  • 13:01Next level space right where you do this practice, like you said, For doesn’t have to be 18 years but you do it repeatedly and you start with like the mindset. You start with the small pieces and
  • 13:13You keep just kind of growing into these other spaces and these other practices that are available to and sooner or later you like I guess they were all right.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley13:26I love that. Right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley13:30Right.
  • 13:31Right. So, I mean, I guess you know there’s something in those things and what they’re saying and what they’re doing.
  • 13:37But, you know, so what what led you into this pace yourself.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley13:43Well,
  • 13:45You know, that’s a good question. I, when I look back at my life. I see all these moments like the one that I just described when I’m like very young.
  • 13:54That fit into this kind of way of thinking and this way of being. But I was really pretty unaware of myself and my spirituality until actually my husband got a life threatening disease.
  • 14:15And or problem he got a tumor in his brain cavity.
  • 14:20And he when he was very young. He spent a lot of time in hospitals. And so we went to the first doctor and it was a big emergency and he said, I’m getting a second opinion. And then we went to the next doctor who you know we we finagle their way into the good doctors and all of that and
  • 14:43We went and he described it. And he said, Oh yeah, you have a little time because I’m very good at this. But, you know, you got to get in here in the next month or something. So it was no longer like a huge emergency we have little time.
  • 14:56Sure, and
  • 14:59We were driving home. It was in New York City. We live in Massachusetts. It was a long drive home. We were driving home and my husband said to me.
  • 15:06Yeah, no, I’m not. I’m not doing that I’m not doing that. I don’t know what we’re going to do, but I think you should find me another solution because I don’t, I’m not going to do that.
  • 15:17And that being that you just that just have him for you have been for me. I was like, oh,
  • 15:23Wow, okay. That should be my job.
  • 15:25Okay.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley15:29No question.
  • 15:31In fairness, I’m sure he was very overwhelmed in that moment.
  • user avatarbrandon handley15:35Right out
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley15:36Here and and so that was the beginning. That was the kickoff for me to really
  • 15:45Take a look at what is possible. So, and be completely outside the box. Yeah. So once I sort of had to be completely outside the box. Then the possibilities became very, very different.
  • 16:00So it kicked off a series of involvements with people who could help his health and who could do it in very untraditional ways
  • 16:11And also, who required of both of us that we change drastically that we, the concept that we had gotten ourselves into this mess, and that we were going to get ourselves out of this mess was not one that I heard in the doctor’s office.
  • 16:31Was and it was really clear and so
  • 16:34And within
  • 16:37A few months, we were both licensed spiritual health coaches, we probably took, I don’t know, six months, nine months, something like that for that process and we said, Okay, this is this, we’re leaning in because we are not going where that other train was going
  • 16:59Okay, so. So that’s really the beginning of when I became a much, much more aware of myself of my thoughts of my
  • 17:09Relationship to the world of my discomfort that I had become just completely accepting of right I had just said, Oh, well that’s the way life is, you know and and really be in that awareness, I found new answers.
  • user avatarbrandon handley17:28So, um, you know what, I guess the one thing is right when you’re we’re 19 and your earlier years before you
  • 17:37had developed an awareness, you would be, what would we call you know
  • 17:43Was it
  • 17:45Unconscious competence, right, like you and I were you, you were already aligning yourself and you weren’t aware that you were doing it. And then once you kind of develop this newfound awareness.
  • 17:56You were able to do this with intention and purpose.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley18:00That’s exactly right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley18:02Now, so, and also throw out like when you know so I was raised by a hippie mom grew up you know out San Francisco and she was always kicking the word awareness around right when I was growing up, I was like, I’m aware. You see me run into
  • 18:15I’ve ever run into a thing.
  • 18:18Right, I use it everything outside of me right everything outside of me. I was I was completely aware of. I didn’t miss a beat. Yeah didn’t miss a beat. But the awareness that I think that you’re talking about today is the awareness inside. Is that fair
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley18:32That’s exactly right.
  • 18:33That is exactly right and very hard to articulate. You did that quite well that
  • 18:39People, most of the time, feel like they are aware when they start working with me, they’re like, Yeah, yeah, I got that part, I need the accurate assessment. Come on, let’s get to the good stuff here.
  • 18:49And and that awareness that inner awareness and that ability to kind of be with yourself for periods of time in order to deepen that awareness is very important to the next steps. And so you’re absolutely right that people are like, I’m aware. Let’s fix my landing page.
  • user avatarbrandon handley19:16It’s all
  • 19:17It’s all marketing has nothing to do with what’s happening.
  • 19:19Right, right.
  • 19:21Nothing internal happening fixed that.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley19:23I just had that targeting right we would
  • 19:25All set. So, what what is what is like when when somebody first
  • user avatarbrandon handley19:29Starts off what’s uh what’s like one tool that you like to start them off with to
  • 19:35Begin to develop that inner awareness.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley19:39One of my favorite
  • 19:42Sort of
  • 19:47Let me go back a second here in my thinking. One of my tools that is the easiest for me to sort of give in this kind of a space.
  • 19:59Is actually
  • 20:00A little bit of mirror work. Now some people will know mirror work from different varieties of, you know, mindset work and spiritual work.
  • 20:10The mirror work that that I find is the fastest path to to becoming present
  • 20:22Which is really that first goal is just start being in your body.
  • 20:29Is a piece where you literally just sit with the mirror and look in the mirror in your eyes and say I am here.
  • 20:42Over and over and over. You’re sort of calling to yourself. Right. So there’s a lot of work that we do after that that involves breath and
  • 20:53Other types of awareness that we can
  • 20:55We can bring in
  • 20:57But
  • 20:59But that’s really the the space that I find people kind of are able to bring themselves into the room a little bit and say, oh, OK. I am actually here. Let me give this a shot. I’ll be president now.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:12Well, I mean, cuz it’s, there’s still the physical aspect of it right, they’re still doing a physical activity, but then they’re also acknowledging that it’s them right right there in front of them and pulling themselves kind of gather right there.
  • 21:27Right, so I love that. Yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley21:29And it’s deliberate. It’s deliberate. So even though a lot of times when people start that process, they don’t know. It’s deliberate
  • 21:37They, they go like, well, I said the words and then I felt different. I don’t know what happened. Right. But in fact it there. There is a deliberateness to it. That is really important that you are impacting you
  • 21:53In that moment.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:57Well, that, you know, being deliberate again, you know, intentional, knowing that you’re making this choice. I know that I kind of
  • 22:04laughed a little bit about it earlier, but you know, you get to wherever you are today. And I think this is what the spiritual coaches were probably telling you before you guys set the course that
  • 22:13You guys made the decisions to be in that situation right as as a collective even and you you guys when you first heard that you were just like what that’s done, nobody’s ever said that, you know, kind of that way right to us before
  • 22:29So, I mean, I’m assuming your husband still alive.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley22:32Oh, yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley22:35Like I hope the story has a good idea.
  • 22:37Because, you know, so
  • 22:39What happens right i mean you go in and he jumped into all this stuff, how, you know, how does it clear up on it never gets checked out again and somehow he still is what happened.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley22:48No, no. So what happens on that story is that we do the work we do the inner work and we do the emergency inner work and it is kind of emergency at that
  • 23:02Maybe for a year or so as you still feel like what’s happening.
  • 23:07And we he gets checked out again. And it’s shrinking.
  • 23:12Okay, and we have do have, I will say a spectacular doctor who’s actually a doctor.
  • user avatarbrandon handley23:20Sure, sure. And
  • 23:22It’s always handy to have one on standby.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley23:25WELL KNOW WHO DOES THIS WORK. Oh.
  • user avatarbrandon handley23:27Okay, that sounds even better yet,
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley23:29He’s a trained Western doctor but functions in an Eastern paradigm
  • user avatarbrandon handley23:35Love it.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley23:36And so he his toolkit is very, very large. And he honestly I’ve seen. I’ve never seen a problem he hasn’t been able to impact positively and I have seen him deal with a lot of stuff now.
  • 23:53So, so we had the guidance we had long distance guidance, because he’s not right here in our backyard and
  • 24:01We had long distance guidance and we did the work. And that I think is the, the key to that is to sort of have somebody who’s ahead of you who can say, yeah, no, no, no. You’re going in a direction. You’ll be all right.
  • 24:14Sure, sure. And so eventually that tumor went away.
  • user avatarbrandon handley24:17That’s amazing. I love it. And so
  • 24:20You would attribute that almost all to the air work was there like a dietary change.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley24:26There were other changes. Yeah, absolutely. There were dietary changes, and we think there was
  • 24:35Well, in his particular case, it had a great deal to do with a inability to deal properly with pesticides and with wheat.
  • user avatarbrandon handley24:46In the
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley24:46On the dietary front. So there was that and
  • 24:54I think there was juicing and there was a lot of things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley24:57Which are look at
  • 24:59Things. Right.
  • 25:00Body. Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. So, and I think that’s, that’s interesting. The two right you know so change a die with this practice. I’m the things that are inside of you are the things that are outside of you know that this
  • 25:15Miracle doesn’t kind of happen on its own. You gotta, you gotta put it together and you got to maintain it and you know the things that do happen to it. Your body’s a miracle. Right. It’s amazing.
  • 25:28And it’s something like that’s happening in this story right you have the ability to change that without getting i don’t know i’m guessing he was getting a laser to the back of the head or something right was
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley25:39Wasn’t. No, no, they wanted to do full
  • 25:41On surgery.
  • 25:43can address and take goop out
  • 25:47And put goop in from other part.
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:52Was
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley25:53Unbelievably scary.
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:55Sure, sure. So, but, I mean, the what’s amazing too and your story is that a lot of people would have just gone ahead and gone that route. Right.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley26:03And they would have tried to talk to your spouse into it. It’s their spouse said no. And that I think is something that is I, I have been very fortunate to be able to have that reciprocal relationship with my husband, where if one of us says, No, no, this is how I really feel about the thing
  • 26:20Yeah, even if the other one thinks like, ah, you’re just scarred, we should get you over that.
  • 26:26But there is enough space. And this is an important concept in in business in the way we live our lives in general. Right.
  • 26:35Is that there is enough space for us to be scarred and still have full and wonderful lives. It’s kind of I think of it a lot about
  • 26:45How you know how certain trees grow and they get these scars in them. And then we cut them up and we make them into coffee tables and we call them beautiful world would
  • 26:54Say. Isn’t that spectacular right
  • 26:57Well, that’s what we’re making yeah in ourselves, we have experienced life and things haven’t gone right and we have changed the way that we deal with things F, day after day after day and tried new approaches and had new experiences.
  • 27:14And all of those things are brought into this present moment. And if you allow them then finding a new answer that. That doesn’t mean you have to like check out your whole personality becomes somebody else right
  • user avatarbrandon handley27:32Right, right.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley27:32No, no, it’s okay. You can go spend time in the hospital.
  • 27:36Right show. You don’t have to be someone else. You can be you and you can be successful.
  • user avatarbrandon handley27:41Right. Well, yeah. And in regards to write the
  • 27:46Merging all this together. Right.
  • 27:48But I’ll say it. I love Maplewood like the birds. I’m April, right, that’s kind of one of the one of the times, you’re talking about right and it does become so beautiful. Right. I’m like, I’m over you’re sitting right now we’re turning ourselves into beautiful maple tables but
  • 28:02I love, I love the story that you’re telling about that. I think that that’s great.
  • 28:09So let’s just I want is, what if some of that wasn’t working at any point would didn’t feel like, you know, because I don’t want to get the impression that
  • 28:19You shouldn’t keep a doctor nearby. Right. I mean, because you guys kept the doctor nearby that right live as he was a Western medicine doctor that yes also specialize in this space.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley28:29I think that the the message that should not be taken from my experience is, go do something extreme like I did right and that the message that should be taken, I hope people take from my experience is be true to yourself and find your own answers.
  • 28:54Because they are there, but they’re only there if you calm down long enough to allow them to sort of become revealed. They weren’t there in the doctor’s office right only the first step, which was no I know what I don’t want
  • user avatarbrandon handley29:10To
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley29:11But there wasn’t the step of, like, I know what I do want. Right. Yeah.
  • 29:16Yeah. And in fact, I think that something very important happened there because it was life threatening. Right, it’s not
  • 29:23It’s not the same as in business where things can go right or wrong and we can find our own alignment. Right. But in this scenario. I think one of the most
  • 29:35impactful things that happened was that my husband had someone to turn to and say, You figure it out because he then could go about the business of lining up with becoming well
  • 29:51He didn’t know how, but he had faith.
  • 29:53Yeah, leaf. He said, This person loves me and they’re relatively smart. They’ll figure it out.
  • user avatarbrandon handley30:02Well, I think you bring the other one up to which I always love you don’t have to know how you don’t have to know how you just have to know that that’s what you want. That’s right. Right. And us where they can just
  • 30:16Move forward in that direction. You know, as if it’s not Nestle like I i get i get a little caught up in between, like Law of Attraction with like, you know,
  • 30:28Spirituality space, right. I don’t think that they’re one the same. I think they’re very close, but I don’t I don’t I don’t like to make a sandwich out of, I guess.
  • 30:37Um,
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley30:38But so many ways to look at life you know
  • 30:41It would be a shame to sort of collapse it into only one way
  • 30:46Hundred percent I think that’s one of the reasons that the concept of spirituality so appealing to me is that it’s big.
  • user avatarbrandon handley30:53Right, it’s yours.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley30:54I can be a part of this energy and I can be a part of that energy and I don’t have to really understand it intellectually. I just have to decide that I’m willing to be a part of that.
  • user avatarbrandon handley31:05Right. No, I see ideas. Do you even know how you’re here. Right. I mean, we don’t even understand how we’re here to begin with, I mean. So where does that leave us so
  • 31:19Let’s talk a little bit more about the outside of the story. Thanks for sharing that. That was
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley31:22My pleasure. Thanks for bringing it up. I, I had
  • 31:26Was I was gonna tell it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley31:27Yes. I mean you know that, but that’s that’s kind of how you got into this space. And then, you know, I’m guessing that you kind of incorporated. Now some of this spiritual practice modality. And you were seeing the benefits that it was having in the business space.
  • 31:41So at
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley31:42That time
  • 31:43I was actually the CEO of a corporation.
  • 31:46Okay, so
  • 31:49This was what my life was like, like my every day was going to work as the CEO of a corporation.
  • 31:56Right, so, you know, to, to become to to shift perspective in this massive way and then go back to work the next day and be like,
  • 32:08Oh yeah, I’m gonna do it, just the way I used to do it.
  • 32:11Let them work out.
  • 32:13Right, so there had to be for me a re assessing a real understanding of the business world so that and the end the specifics of my business involvement with people so that I could find peace with the
  • 32:36The
  • 32:38Pathway that we were on
  • user avatarbrandon handley32:40Okay.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley32:40So I had many years to do that. I didn’t leave that world until
  • 32:452014 and I that the story I told. And when I got my licensure was well
  • 32:55The story I told started in 2007
  • 32:58Okay, so it was putting a time in their
  • 33:02Right to Try concepts out to go to work and to feel differently about things and then see what happens. And now have to take action right away.
  • 33:12To decide that your solution to this relationship problem with an employee with the board of directors with it. Whoever whoever you’re dealing with with with the clients themselves.
  • 33:27That you are going to shift that but not by going in and saying something different or doing something different and being like, I am different. Now, now you behave differently, right, which is how people love to approach it.
  • 33:38Sure does not work doesn’t work, just
  • 33:42But to really be able to take the time to say okay I am willing to to try everything that I have learned out on myself and to teach it to my staff and to pass it along to people who come and ask for it.
  • 34:02There was a lot of opportunity right now. I’m seeing a lot of people in a day. And there’s a lot of opportunity and people will ask you the wildest things
  • 34:10Sure. And so
  • 34:14Yeah, so I had that I had that. And so that was a way for me to really shift the way that I saw business. And what I knew for a fact would work in business.
  • 34:27I had a lot of knowing what didn’t work. And some of what did work. I had attained a position and, you know, was filling that position. Well, and all of that. But I really was able to sort of AMP that all up by
  • 34:40By being able to try these things and not know
  • 34:45If they were going to work.
  • 34:47And do them anyway.
  • user avatarbrandon handley34:49What would be an example of that.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley34:55Well, there was at one point there was a time when the board of directors was not happy with me.
  • 35:04Man I know, it doesn’t mean it doesn’t even make sense.
  • 35:06No, it doesn’t. It kind of in this world.
  • 35:09And and was not happy with anyone in my
  • 35:15In my purview at all like not like there was no one. And so there was one particular board member who would come in and
  • 35:24Kind of create difficulty. Right. It was a time of change. And I was directing the, the company in a direction that was scary and different and new
  • 35:36And that was not really okay for that board and so that member would come in and and sort of undermine what was happening or stand in the way of what was happening.
  • 35:49And I don’t think that was the intention, but I think that it was really to look out for the company and to like really well founded. But really bad idea. And so this went on for
  • 36:05Several weeks several weeks and different members of my staff kept coming to me and saying, what are we going to do this can’t go on and I would have a chat and, you know, it still went on and that was the way it was. And I had tried a lot of business solutions for this.
  • 36:23But one day I decided that I was going to just focus on the inner work and I spent all of my off time
  • 36:34Doing that inner work and it was a process it. A lot of times people like me to sort of distill it down into one thing that I did. And certainly, I could name some things that you can do in that scenario but
  • 36:48Really, the important thing was that I was no longer tied to the outcome based on yesterday.
  • 36:56So that we had been through it right. This has been going on for weeks, we had tried everything we know what didn’t work. We know. No, no. Right. But we didn’t really we didn’t because today is a new day.
  • 37:09And this is a new moment.
  • 37:11Right. And so once that happened once there was a disassociation with the past, then
  • 37:19The process of becoming holy present and allowing the other people to become wholly present other this person in particular.
  • 37:29Then the, the issues that are around, it can be dealt with and the attitude can shift. And there can no longer be. It doesn’t have to be an aggressive situation, which is what had developed
  • 37:41Right. But once that all dissipates. Then you can have the real conversations about the work that really should be being done in those in that scenario.
  • 37:52Right, I should be held accountable for that in my position and that person should be able to say what they have to say. But there was no space for
  • 38:00Any of that.
  • 38:02And to east and east and east and about two weeks later, one of the gentlemen that work for me came to me and said, What did you do
  • 38:13What did you do
  • 38:14Well you fixed it for you, but you didn’t fix it for me.
  • 38:19And I said, Well, I could teach you what it was like, why can’t you just fix it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley38:26That’s funny. That’s funny. So one of the things that you kind of, you start out there to with the is not having to take action right away, right, because we feel that
  • 38:36We need to take this action immediately to for some type of corrective measure like
  • 38:42Where the like where the savior of whatever is happening, they’re like, well, there’s no we got to fix this. Right. But you’re saying though, you just kind of step back. Yeah. But some of the things just play out on their own and right
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley38:55Yeah, that’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. There’s actually a three step process that I teach that
  • 39:02Is a called the triple a method of transformation and that three step process is really important. Some people get one step.
  • 39:12Some people get two steps, but rarely do we hear people talk about the third, the middle step right
  • 39:18Right. So the first step in that is awareness and we’ve talked a lot about that today, which is
  • 39:23Wonderful. And the third step in that is the action stage right the adaptation. What are you going to do, usually people kind of jump from one to the other and they go, they go like, yes, I’m aware there’s a problem. Now I have a solution.
  • 39:38And it’s the middle step that is the most important and that really isn’t an accurate assessment, you can’t make an accurate assessment, unless you’re in a receiving mode you’re in a
  • 39:58Listening period. A watching period a learning period right it’s you can’t assess something. If you think you know everything about it already.
  • 40:09So you have to do the exploration that is that middle stage that’s between Awareness. Awareness of yourself awareness of your situation and then
  • 40:21Learning so that you can be accurate in your assessment. And that’s, I think, really where most of the time it all falls apart is that the assessment is not accurate.
  • 40:33Hmm. And so that’s how you jump from the one step to the other step is that you go like now I got this move on.
  • 40:43But you don’t know yet. But there’s like a guy behind the curtain run and my thing. You know what I mean.
  • 40:48Sure.
  • 40:49So that’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley40:51That’s more than you know awareness of your thought process awareness of the, you know, conscious choices awareness of doing these things.
  • 41:00With purpose and intention, but also, you know, I like how you bring up this you know accurate assessment piece because it was just yesterday as matter of fact I sat down with a transformational coach and
  • 41:14It was what you’re saying here is you can assess, but kind of like a and I feel like this is what I had done right I assess the situation quickly.
  • 41:24And felt that was good enough. Right. And then he goes, Well, I think, actually, you need to go one more layer deeper. Yeah. And he took me one more layer deeper. And I was like, Oh my gosh, you know,
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley41:35Totally different answer to. Right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley41:37Well, totally different answer. Totally different feeling totally different space in place and you know
  • 41:44Therefore, ergo my assessment initially was not accurate. Yeah, that’s right. Right.
  • 41:53And you know we’re here. We keep learning and this, this is even has to do with just, you know, if you’re working with a client, they feel like they know who they are. All right. And you’ve got it you what you’re doing is you’re helping them to slow down and
  • 42:07Truly learn who they really are. Yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley42:09That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. And I think that was true for me. So I think that one of the things that makes it easier for me to
  • 42:18To talk to people is that I’ve stood someplace. Very, very similar to where they’re standing and so that feeling like I know especially having some early success.
  • 42:30Right, sure. No, I do. No.
  • 42:33No, I did it. I know how to do it. No, no, actually you don’t
  • 42:39Because you did it, but you didn’t know how you did it.
  • 42:41Yeah, you did it, but you can’t repeat it, and
  • 42:46Source, all of that.
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:48Sure, yeah.
  • 42:50But it’s looking those steps and and and i think that we’ve been fortunate, right, like a laughed at the beginning how there’s, you know,
  • 43:00There’s pathways for us to take you know that the plenty of people have done this before us. We’re not the first people to show up like I got this.
  • 43:08Follow me like there’s no whole whole society is built on this and
  • 43:13We’re lucky that we’ve got that available to us right that framework, the possibility to kind of
  • 43:18Go to even you right or you know your spiritual coaches to run them in the first time, like there’s a whole nother way.
  • 43:25And it fits into this and, oh, I can get the same results by but but by doing it this way instead of this other brash like I’m going to take the bull by the horns and crush everybody mentality. Right. Yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley43:40Yeah, I, I, actually, when I first kind of got that there was another way and that it was actually more effective I so I had been into herbs, my whole life where I felt like I i liked spices in my food, and I
  • 43:54I knew some of the properties of things. And I would you know give myself cold medicine by eating the garlic or whatever it was. Right, sure, and and
  • 44:03I got that there was, I knew about herbs and spices that there were in different parts of the world, they would do the same things, but be totally different plans.
  • 44:13And I was like,
  • 44:14Oh, I don’t really get why that’s true, that you can take turmeric from India and you can take, you know, yarrow from North America and you’re going to get a similar thing and happening for you.
  • 44:29And I, I knew that it was possible, but I couldn’t make any sense of it until we got to this concept, this concept of being present and being aware
  • 44:44And showing up in a new way and then taking action. Then I got, oh, there are just so many ways, right. I could have said 10 different things in that moment.
  • 44:57And gotten a really similar response to that, or maybe my relationship problem, like I’ve, I’ve worked with people a lot with
  • 45:07business relationships where they’re particularly with employees, where they’re not getting the results they want with the employees and they feel like it’s the employees problem.
  • 45:18And that works. The first or second or third employee, but it does not work after that.
  • 45:23To face a few things.
  • 45:26And you can try all the techniques you want, right, there’s a lot of management techniques and those i’m sure can be effective in under certain circumstances.
  • 45:37But really when you’re willing to do that work inside you and the technique, doesn’t matter anymore because
  • 45:45The result can happen regardless of the technique that you’re using, sort of like that plant it’s planted in a, you know, different sides of the earth, but it’s helping your body because the world is meant to support us for sure that’s what that’s what is here for
  • user avatarbrandon handley46:01At least from our perspective. Hundred percent hundred percent
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley46:05Plant feels like it’s there for them.
  • user avatarbrandon handley46:08But what I just I just saw like you know I think somebody talk. I think I was listening to Wayne Dyer right and he’s talking about like if you lift the seeds or whatever and you plant them that they take in that your DNA, and they grow to to you.
  • 46:21Yeah, so
  • 46:22So I’ll always always something interesting.
  • 46:26Always something interesting. Geez, you said something there that I wanted to hit on but uh what you know.
  • 46:34So what are some. What are some that’s what’s gonna say, so you’re, you know, the techniques become
  • 46:42More like a again a vehicle for what’s inside of you, right, and that’s your focal point, you’re like, All right, you know,
  • 46:49It’s the techniques, not working. It’s because I look I take to jujitsu right and oftentimes the, the deal is, I’m using a technique, but I’m also trying to put all this force power behind like
  • 47:04Running grown in
  • 47:06But it’s when I relax and just simply apply the technique.
  • 47:11That it works. I’m like, why, what this doesn’t make any sense. Right. So again, it sounds like you know if you do the inner work and you figure out kind of what’s in you just you just kind of let that out, Masha, but you focus it gently on the technique, it works.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley47:23Yeah, we’re back where we were when we started right life can be a lot easier than we make it
  • user avatarbrandon handley47:30And and so you know what what are
  • 47:34What are some of the other things that you’re finding with your clients right. How are they, what’s their reception been to their new selves.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley47:44Reception to their new cells. Fantastic question.
  • 47:48Wow. I like I’m pretty good.
  • user avatarbrandon handley47:54Sure.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley47:55You know, it feels a lot better to be not frustrated and not irritated and have a new way to accept your imperfections and to say I can be whole and I can show up and I can shift my life in these ways where I get the result that I want and still be may
  • user avatarbrandon handley48:18Not have to
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley48:19Turn into somebody else. I mean, I think these are the kinds of things that a lot of times people really feel like, all right, I want to go there. So I’ll just be someone else for a while.
  • 48:33They
  • 48:34Got themselves off from themselves, right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley48:36So,
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley48:37And this is how people end up to be older and more bitter.
  • 48:43And then eventually at some point they say I’m not doing that anymore. And sometimes that’s at retirement age sometimes that’s a lot earlier.
  • 48:52You’re really lucky if you don’t have a lot of patience for that kind of thing in your life.
  • user avatarbrandon handley48:57Well, you know, you know, recently, my wife, she she hit that point right she just said this is enough. This is too much and and she’s now you know we come from two different types of backgrounds. Right.
  • 49:08Where she came from, you know, the you work hard, you get a job you keep that job for as long as you can, it’s safe. It’s good. They watch out for you.
  • 49:16But at what cost, right, I think you’d mentioned that to like what costs like you’re the costs.
  • 49:22Is you your life, your, your whole, you know, they call it grind it out for a reason. You’re losing each day to the grind. So I don’t want to keep you too long, but this has been, I’ve had a lot of fun with this conversation.
  • 49:35A lot of fun with this conversation.
  • 49:37Where, where should and we did talk about you do have something coming up. I want to make sure people know that you’ve got this, you’ve got this challenge come out to us talk on that.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley49:45You. I do. I have a five day
  • 49:49Workshop, or I’m
  • 49:53Just loving the words just scramble away from you.
  • user avatarbrandon handley49:56Absolutely, it says all day every day.
  • 49:59To
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley49:59Day challenge coming up and it, it is called get out of your head. Embrace your imperfections and get on track with your business.
  • 50:10And so that’s what we’re going to do for five days, we’re going to go through the process and we’re going to really delve into that process. We talked a little bit more
  • 50:19Earlier about the AAA method of transformation and get to apply some of that and really see what kind of
  • 50:29changes we can make in such a short period of time for lots and lots of people to to quiet the noise to to find that space that we’ve been talking about and to still be wholly yourself to really embrace that you’re okay, as Your imperfections and then apply that process.
  • 50:51It’s a very interesting process, I think.
  • 50:53It will be really great to see how everybody does.
  • user avatarbrandon handley50:56That’s awesome. So what type of people should be attending this event.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley51:00Anyone who’s interested in business.
  • 51:05Who is open. Yeah.
  • 51:07Yeah, so this is this work is not easy. It’s not like, you know, kind of, you were talking about this with talking about your wife’s background and a lot of people come from a background where it’s kind of supposed to be hard. And when life is not fun. They say, what is it they say they say
  • user avatarbrandon handley51:27Oh my lemonade.
  • 51:31Life’s not supposed to be fair, I don’t know.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley51:33Yeah, all that
  • user avatarbrandon handley51:34All that stuff.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley51:35So what, like, I get that. And there are people who need that kind of structure in their life, and they’re not ready to let go of that that’s okay with me.
  • user avatarbrandon handley51:43Yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley51:43Don’t come to mind.
  • 51:47But anyone everyone. I hope Pro has a business involvement writing particularly I work for the most part with entrepreneurs.
  • 51:57So you’re the driver of your business boat, it makes it much easier. And who wants to work on something and knows that the answer is somewhere in them might they’re willing to do some work for it. That is personal. That is development personal development work.
  • 52:20And and really you show up with willingness and I’d be happy to guide you all the way through the process that would be great.
  • user avatarbrandon handley52:30Awesome and listen.
  • 52:32You know, you’ve had you been a successful CEO, you started off successful businesses you sold businesses.
  • 52:41And, you know, for anybody, which website. Again, Donald in
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley52:46Donnellan Riley calm.
  • user avatarbrandon handley52:48Down. So head over to the site shine house or for videos yourself, you will be able to see
  • 52:53That she knows what she’s talking about. So I think that that’s really exciting. And, you know, we didn’t dig too deep into the business aspects of today. We just had a really great. I felt like conversation.
  • 53:03But you clearly know you know what it is that you’re doing. You’ve done the work you contains to do the work. And you know what you’re putting out. I think there’s no top notch really really quality stuff.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley53:13Thank you so much. It was really a pleasure to be here and to get to talk about this topic in such depth. So that’s really nice. It’s great that you’re talking about this in a in a really deep way this sort of spirituality and business and in that space.
  • user avatarbrandon handley53:28You know what, you got to be able to like you keep saying, and that’s what it means to bring all of who you are right, they’re not two separate things. If you keep your spiritual self over here and your material or reality over here, you’re missing out on the one, two punch you know
  • 53:44You really you’ve really got the opportunity to kind of blend you’re you’re working at 50% of capacity. Yeah, right. So he can
  • 53:51You know blend those two which which I know you can teach how to do what you get to bring to your workplace or wherever you decide to show up after you learn about who you are. It’s just, it’s that much more powerful. Yeah.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley54:04It really is.
  • user avatarbrandon handley54:05Yeah. Hundred percent. Thanks again.
  • user avatarDonnalynn Riley00:59:18Thank you.