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Katie Beecher is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Katie Beecher is an internationally known Medical and Emotional Intuitive and Licensed Professional Counselor with over 30 years of experience.  Join us today as we chat about a number of different topics, and lean in as we speak on how Katie beat her own eating disorders and what it has been like for her to lean into her spiritual gifts! Connect with Katie: https://katiebeecher.com/ on insta @katiebeecher_medical_intuitive

The transcript below is machine-generated by AI and un-edited.

Hey, their spiritual dope. I am on today with world renowned Katie Beecher. She is an internationally known medical and emotional intuitive and a licensed professional counselor with over 30 years of experience. Katie and I met, I don’t even know, I think you think we connected through one of the podcast like dating sites. There’s like, it’s like pot it or pod match. And that’s how we connected, we had a really good conversation going back a little bit ago, some of the things that you’re well known for, or at least that you you share out is some of the work you’ve done with the goop platform. Right? And how I usually like to start these out Katie’s the whole idea that you and I are your medium, right? So this is, this is nothing new to you, you and I are connected to source like at all times, right? And everything’s really happening to us and through us for a purpose to the end of hopefully servicing or benefiting another, right? And as as you and I are having this conversation, there’s gonna be somebody on the other end of this podcast listening in, and there’s a message coming through you to them that can only be delivered through you what is that message that connection to intuition, self love, and self acceptance, you can heal from just about anything. What do you have an example of one that

Katie Beecher 6:23
I heard this in my head when I was 16. recovering from an eating disorder, I was bulimic suicidal, complete and total mass didn’t even know who I was, was never mind loving myself. And it was divine intervention, because I was ready to just be like, I’m not living like this anymore. That’s insane. divine intervention, maybe call my pediatrician without telling my parents and basically saying, you know, I’m throwing up three times a day, there’s something really wrong with me. And it was 1983. And they didn’t really pay that much attention to eatings the hardest time and he said, I think you’ll be okay. And I said no, I’m totally not okay. So he gave me the name of a Jungian therapist. I don’t know how familiar Carl Jung you are. But maybe that’s some of the message for people out there is to look up Carl Jung and, and what he talks about, because he’s pretty amazing. But it took me three months to get the courage up to call the therapist, and I finally did, and I had a car and a job. And I got myself there and paid for it myself and worked really hard. And it gave me the courage to connect with my intuitive abilities, which I had been afraid of, and become a licensed counselor. And eventually, you know, do this work, even if the counselor always listened to my guides and spirit and just kind of let them run the show. For the same reason I knew whoever was there with me, needed to hear whatever it was that they needed to say. And I trusted in that. And now, life is pretty interesting.

Brandon Handley 8:04
We’ll have to expand on that one for sure. Life Life is pretty interesting. So I think that is right. 1983. Here is your you know, you’re you’re in a situation, just throwing out three times a day to like, should be okay, that’s me. Who says that? Right? Thank you. All right. Yeah, this type of thing happens all the time, right for life, just don’t worry about it. So and then, and then you know, someone on too young, I am fairly familiar. I know. Earlier in the year, I did a pretty, you know, went through the red book and like some of his other stuff. Super, super great content. And he’s the one that I found the word numinous from, right. So just just kind of like, when you’re when people ask about kind of the awakening experience, or when you consider the awakening experience. What’s that like? And I think the best word for me is the word numinous. Right? You’re just like this. Full body. Theory. Oh, hi. Right. And that I got that from young. Right. So love his stuff. And so he gave you the strength? I mean, how did that lend into the strength to your intuitive?

Katie Beecher 9:27
Yeah, so for people who don’t know about young he basically was he was this famous psychiatrists doing great in his life, thought he was having a nervous breakdown because he started to see visions of dead bodies and bloody rivers and, and things and he could have gone the other way. He could have said, I’m going nuts and I’m going to put myself in somewhere and not talk to people and not deal with clients. And instead, he decided to immerse himself in this experience and Do these kind of like, kind of awakened meditations, if you would, he was kind of doing transits, but he was awake and things. And he, accidentally divine intervention, found his spiritual guide and connected to his intuition and made these amazing illustrations and things. But it was, it was through that courage. And through those connections, that he developed all of his really famous theories and principles that people like Louise Hay and Tara Brock, and everyone under the sun is now using today with, you know, symptoms being symbols for what’s really going on with us and connecting to our intuition. So, for me, it was the perfect way of recovery, because I had all of these kind of psychic experiences that I’ve been having, since I was a kid picking up a lot of negativity and evil stuff, and it made me not want to connect to any of that it really made me very afraid, and very shy and withdrawn. And I just didn’t feel comfortable with myself, I had been bullied, I grew up in a very dysfunctional family, which added to the fun chaos, like a lot of people get addicted do. And working with a therapist who taught me to trust myself, who taught me to trust these inner voices I was having, who taught me about self acceptance, accepting all of the parts of me, even the parts I didn’t like, who did not look at me when I was like, I was crazy when I said, I saw dead people and heard things and knew what was gonna happen in Instead, she encouraged all of that. And so, for me, that was the perfect type of therapy. And another concept that’s it’s young, and I can’t take credit for, but he taught that intuition is God with him. Which means that it’s all knowing force, that is part of everyone. It protects you, it gives you a source of self love unaccept I mean, unconditional love, unconditional acceptance, and always keeps you safe. And for me, it was like, I didn’t have that anywhere in my life. So that gave me the courage to then figure out who I was, and be my authentic self, and just listen to my intuition to them, you know, become a therapist and, and do this intuitive work. And it just, I think if we’re listening to our intuition, we’re being our authentic self.

Brandon Handley 12:46
So I think it’s awesome, you had somebody even at that young age, to be able to come up to you, to tell you to help guide you to exactly yourself, to, to stop looking outside for the acceptance, to understand that everything that you need for your acceptance is already kind of within. Right, and then the idea sounds like he did, like, you know, some shadow work as it were, right, Jeremy in, I think he’s neither one of the, you know, or forefathers of that, right? And being able to accept all of who you are, this unconditional love is acceptance of all of who you are bringing all of that to the party. Right? And realizing that within that is your strength. Those are some of your strengths. Right? And then the almost like the intuition is God within I love that too is the idea has actually think about this this morning is we’re made in His image, God’s image, whatever made his image. But if we stopped thinking of that image being made in the image of this physical form, and we started thinking of being made in His image in the spiritual form. That’s the that’s the image. We’re made it. Right. And that’s what I’m, that’s what I’m hearing you say, because I said it to myself earlier today.

Katie Beecher 14:24
Thought of intuition as our source. And when I say intuition, I mean, my guides, I still do all this work today. Um, you know, it was it’s my source, so it made me so whatever I do, it’s kind of like a dog. Like it doesn’t really matter what you look like or what you weigh. Or if you make a mistake, or anything like that. It still loves you an exception no matter what. And it was. It’s kind of a weird concept in a way because like you just said, I wasn’t looking to the outside for acceptance anymore. I was looking inside but at the same time, when you Have an addiction or an eating disorder or something like that. It’s very narcissistic. Because you are thinking constantly about what you look like, what? what other people are going to think of you? How much water Did you drink? How many calories, whatever the thing is. So you’re just in your own bubble. And you don’t realize that you’re not taking other people’s feelings or lives into consideration, because you’re too sick too.

Brandon Handley 15:29
Sure. I think that I heard it earlier today. You’re more in this mean space? And yeah, the AI space. Is that right? I mean, look, I’m still trying to figure it all out myself. You’ve got it, you’ve got a you’ve got a couple couple, you’ve got the advantage in terms of time. And space for sure. A couple right. And, and I think that’s awesome, too, because this is one of those things where, while the journey looks real different on the outside, for the most part, I think internally, it’s real similar for for most, right, we like, oh, you’re at like, you know, you’re at this bend of the river. Be sure like around here, watch out for rocks.

Katie Beecher 16:09
Right? addictions, right? Feeling things. You’re too afraid, or you think there’s something wrong with you. And I don’t care if it’s eating disorder, I don’t care what the hell you’re doing.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Well, let’s, let’s chase that one a little bit. Let’s talk about the addiction to not feeling things. I’m curious, almost for my own self. And but like, that’s not when you hear too much about right? What’s that look like? And what are some signs? What is no, I don’t know.

Katie Beecher 16:34
Yeah. So combat, I realized, the hardest part of getting better for me, which I’ve been cured, I guess, recovered from bulimia for like 30 years. And I’m really lucky, most people don’t want to get to recover. And but the hardest part of it, and the most essential part was learning to love myself. Now, it’s really sad that we have to do that and it gets shut off. But that’s the way it is. So in not loving and accepting yourself, what you’re basically doing is you’re pushing down how you feel, because it’s what we feel that then makes us act what we feel and think that makes us act. And so I could not feel anything that went against what my parents were saying what they were teaching, you know, there’s no dysfunction here, everything’s fine. Well, yeah, there is, there’s a lot. You know, and I encounter this a lot with clients, they’re like, we tried to speak up, or we tried to change things, or we tried to whatever, and nobody would listen. So we stopped having feelings, we stopped talking. And I don’t believe that we can ever push down who we truly are. When we do that, we get sick, all kinds of things happen. So it’s easier to eat everything in sight, and throw up or if you drink alcohol, or if you choose time how alter your brain and your life. It’s easier to do that than it is to risk feeling upset, risk feeling rejection, from your parents risk, saying something to them that is going to make them abandon you. It’s a coping mechanism that we create. Much like being an empath is you have to figure out what people are feeling and thinking before they act. So you protect yourself. But I really believe that that’s what it’s about. Because if you can have free thought, and free will and think you can be yourself. But if you can’t, it’s a very, very painful existence.

Brandon Handley 18:50
Yes, if you don’t, if you don’t express what you’re feeling, in some way, shape or form, it’s going to manifest in some way. And oftentimes that expresses itself in some type of dis ease, right? It’s gonna show up I mean, look, I’m not a doctor, I’m not anything, but it could show up as as a sickness, General malaise, cancer, like, you know, Oh, my, you know, my back is acting up. And you know, yesterday, everything was fine. So sound sounds a little bit like new cut. That’s what you’re saying. And then, you know, it’s like the, it’s like, they take these feelings and they shuffle them, right. But you’re talking about, it’s easier to do the addiction. And it’s in that addiction.

Katie Beecher 19:33
Correct. So, in reality, it’s not easier to do the addiction. It’s a horrible way to live, you know, but we think it’s easier because that fear of being rejected if we’re ourselves is so great and varied. You don’t even realize you’re feeling it, that you just go straight to your coping mechanism. And people out of fear think they can’t win. Without this coping mechanism, and then there’s the physical addiction aspect to a lot of things too. But they just think if I risk being myself, like if I risk setting boundaries with people and saying no, and not taking care of everybody, and asserting myself, those people are then not going to love me anymore or not want me around, or whatever. And it’s pretty, nobody wants to be lonely and rejected, you know, but no one wants to live with addiction either.

Brandon Handley 20:33
Right now, I hear you, I hear you in what you’re saying there twos is for the person that’s living that way. Right? It’s, that may be true, those people do not want you anymore after that. And that you may be 100%. Correct. But the people that come behind that, after you assert yourself after you create your own space after, you know, we’re made in His image as creators, right. And you create the life that you want, on purpose with intention. The next line of people are going to be the ones that are a step beyond the

Katie Beecher 21:12
very least Yeah, I had. One, I have an amazing husband and two fantastic daughters, and they have great spouses. And this family is real.

Brandon Handley 21:24
Right? Yeah, I love that. So let’s talk about some mediumship. I mean, you know, so you did you did like the, you know, kind of the clinical work, right, but now are you kind of all in on,

Katie Beecher 21:37
you know, as a medical intuitive, which is basically the work I do, I work in a very unique way. Just with someone’s name and age, somebody will contact me through my website, give me their name, and age and their contact info. And I create a four page report. It’s extremely detailed about physical, emotional, and spiritual things in their life from when they were little to now to their relationships, career, anything, anything that impacts their quality of life, but at that way, I create that. And then I do a symbolic painting, watercolor painting. And before meeting with them, I send them all of this information, then we meet and discuss it all. And I don’t know how I do it. But I always hear like, you didn’t know me before this really like I thought I’ve known you forever. And how do you do this, and it’s pretty amazing. So with the goal really is few things to look at any kind of issues they’re having. Look at the root cause is anything that I can handle, you know, spiritual emotion, even sometimes physical, we’ll address we’ll develop a new a plan for recovering and feeling better. I have doctors and other professionals that I work with, to help with either confirming my findings, diagnosing, treating things like that, because I am not legally allowed to make diagnoses and I shouldn’t be, you know. So even though people doing this work sometimes do I, that’s not okay. And they’re where I get my information from is from, you know, my own intuition from my guides, their loved ones who have passed off often come through, I get information for people that they care about, not just themselves. And it’s a pretty amazing process. People are like, this is like a year of therapy and an hour. So it’s pretty cool.

Brandon Handley 23:46
That’s potent, right? I mean, so it’s just just a name. And their age.

Katie Beecher 23:52
Yeah, I put that I use, I sit down, just kind of, you know, think about their name, get a download from my guides, fill it all out. And the painting allows for some symbolic information. As a human, I can think too hard or interpret the information I’m getting. I try not do but I’m human, but with the symbolic information like this is. You can see that yeah. So that’s one of the paintings, it’s really glary. They’re all really different. And the colors all mean something the way that the arms are or the hips or the way the legs are facing or all of that all means something.

Brandon Handley 24:37
When you say it all means something. Does that mean that it all means something to you? Or is that something that they pick up? And it’s almost I mean, I’m not trying to say Rorschach. So

Katie Beecher 24:46
yeah, I don’t know what it means as I’m painting the picture. At the end of the session, I go to it and kind of start at the beginning. start at the top and say okay, this is where I started. My guides are telling me that this is what this means. You know, the placement of this is usually like my signal, like, if somebody has their arms up like that, that’s my signal for somebody who’s like, Okay, I’m just done with where I’m living. I’ve had it, you know, time for a new start. And what’s very important to me through the whole process, is that what I’m saying resonates with people, I teach everyone how to connect to their intuition. And trust themselves. It’s not my job to substitute my intuition for someone else’s. You know, that’s, that’s not what I’m trying to do. And we all have strengths within us. And we all do kind of know what we need, we just don’t always know how to get there.

Brandon Handley 25:43
Yeah, 100%. And I think, when you’re saying teach them to get to their throat intuition, once they kind of hit it once or twice, they know what that resonance is. Right? So once they understand what that resonance is, and that way of getting there, there’s kind of a specific pathway back to them, at least one route, right? And I gotta imagine that there’s more than one route, but like, Hey, we just hit it, you know, in the whole Joseph Campbell’s follow your bliss type thing. It’s like, you know, there’s, there’s different ways that you’re going to achieve this. Right. But this is this is you’re

Katie Beecher 26:26
learning to trust what you’re getting? And not second guess it and not overthink it. And that everybody can connect. And somebody will say, well, is this just what I want to hear? Am I making this up? You know, or does this just why does it just sound like me? You know, why aren’t you seeing angels and everything. And I’m like, you don’t have to it doesn’t have to be this earth shattering experience. And we use intuition all the time. People just don’t even realize it. And I’ll try to point out things you know, you said to me about this, that you pick this up, remember that? Oh, yeah. So

Brandon Handley 27:05
that I think it’s neat to write it and the idea of, of not overthinking it, and really trusting it. So do you, how do you get someone to start trusting their intuition? Like, you know, you and I are working on like, Listen, I was feeling this thing. And I just don’t know if I trusted Katie, like, what some of the guidance for me to start trusting more and stop this. So what are some,

Katie Beecher 27:28
so I remind them, of out kind of ask them about like, common one is if people who are have been in really bad relationships, and they’re afraid of getting into another one, or they’re afraid of getting out of their really dysfunctional relationship, because they think they’re just going to find another person who doesn’t treat them well. So I asked, you know, what were the warning signs that you had? Like, I don’t know, like, okay, now, that’s not acceptable. What are the warning signs, you know, a bit of this going wrong? Like, did he do this, did she do this did whatever it was, and I try to remind them of times that they use their intuition. Or even with medical intuition, we all have it. So you have this symptom. You knew enough to get yourself to the hospital, or you knew it was gonna be fine, I didn’t really need to go there or with your kid, you know, you know, when your kids have ear infections, or whatever it is, so I really tried to reinforce times where they use their intuition, and they could trust it. And also times when they did hear from their intuition and didn’t trust it, and we’re really sorry. So some of is that kind of, you know, kind of thing. Um, also, we talk a lot about intuition and fear, because that comes up. And my general rule of thumb is fear makes you feel more anxious. And it makes you overthink more and not trust yourself. Whereas intuition may warn you of things, but it’s going to do it in a comforting way, in a way that makes you nurture yourself and not create more chaos in your life. And a lot of people will say, it’s easier for me to listen to intuition for other people than for myself. So I’m like, okay, apply some of that to you when, you know, a lot of it’s just hand holding and confidence building and, and things like that. But there’s, there’s some, some young in techniques that I teach people about writing your intuition and your body and putting it right back to you. And so, yeah, a lot of it’s just like, letting people know that it’s, it’s there and that they don’t have to be Katie Beecher, or whoever else to be able to trust their intuition.

Brandon Handley 29:57
Right, so you’re sure Hey, this is open to anybody, it is open to you like Katie Beecher is not open to me, right? And you’re like, let’s, let’s walk through. Let me count the ways. Let me count the ways. Hey, did any of this ever show up in these relationships? Like you’re saying, and then, you know, you get the point out, and I guess, you get to walk them along with Oh, yep. That was intuition. Yep. That was intuition. I love how you kind of also juxtapose intuition and fear, right? Like how fears is kind of like the fears is almost like shielding the light as it were, right? And then, you know, if you’re, if you’re acting in fear, there’s like this, there’s this uneasiness, this taste and discomfort, whereas like, when you’re you’re following intuition. There’s a nurturing feeling. There’s, it’s almost like, it’s almost like, you know, the doors been open for you. There’s like, I’m thinking of like, almost like walking on, like, fresh green grass. Right. Right. Right. And, and not just in this kind of future state. Don’t do that. Because it’s going to impact your I am this. Right. It’s something you know, for. Sure, follow that. But that’s okay. Right. It’s okay. Right. I think, I think to do things out of safety, and and just is okay, this person, I’m on the first day with them, and something doesn’t feel right. Well, trust. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go with that. We never liked each other from the beginning. Go with that. You know what I mean? All right. Yeah, it’s real imperative to really want to have the second date, not just to see if the first one was a fluke. It’s not about whether that person likes you. Do you like them? Right. Yeah. I mean, that I think that’s, that’s even more important, right? Stop holding out for, you knows, again, that external love, stop looking for that outside and then, you know, seeking for it, you know, once you have it for yourself, you’ve got it, and then everybody else wants it. Right? They’ll come to you for that. So anyway, the whole attractive thing. So what is something that you’re like really working on right now? talks program. So

Katie Beecher 32:30
I’m really excited about this. I have a book coming out, it’s being published in February, it’s available for presale, it’s called heal from within an intuitive guide to wellness. And it’s telling some of my backstory, helping people connect to their intuition. And telling people how to do a lot of the same techniques that I do during my individual readings to detect their issues, get to the root cause, you know, get insight learn to love themselves and care about themselves. And me and my husband calls it Katy Beecher, the home game. But you know, kind of is as much as you could do that for, for the masses. But it’s very detailed. There’s tons of, you know, quizzes and skills and tools and all that kind of stuff to use. I’m super excited about that. And then, in October, this October, at the Omega center in Rhinebeck, New York, I’m doing a week long workshop. And it has the same title, title here permitting. And it’s going to be mostly exercises and activities, because I don’t like to just sit around and listen to me talk. But all about, again, connecting to intuition. teaching people how to do those paintings that I do, how to do medical intuitive readings, how to connect yourself connecting to your body, all that kind of stuff. So I’m those are, you know, the two big things coming up. I have an Instagram Live coming up with Miranda Kerr that I’m excited about. And in October too. But um, yeah, so it’s, it’s getting to kind of teach people on mass, what I do, and then how they can use that to be healthier and happier.

Brandon Handley 34:13
So I think you should just add to the home game. Alright. I love that. I’m like that. My bliss and intuition, Katie is saying that that’s the one. So why now? Why the book now?

Katie Beecher 34:29
Yeah, what’s new, going to write a book when I was recovering from the eating disorder? I was told then this is a really good thing that you have this. I’m very grateful for the eating disorder experience, because so many reasons, but I wouldn’t be who I am today wouldn’t be my authentic self. But I knew then that I was going to write this book and be working with the whole world, basically. And I guess I just had to go through a whole lot of crap to get there. And to be ready. Um, and they do. And six, seven years ago, six years ago, I found out that I had Lyme disease. Every co infection in Lyme probably had it since I was a kid growing up in Connecticut. So I asked my guides, okay, what’s the deal? You know why now? Why am I finding this out? And they said, it’s time for you to stop putting off writing reading your book proposal. So I listened finally did that. I’m not a writer. So it was a little daunting and terrifying. Got some help with it? And now there’s a book. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:44
That’s great. That’s great. And right, like, life will stop you from doing everything else until you do the thing that you’re supposed to be doing. Right. So, I mean, were you going through that condition? And instead of saying, Why, God, why, yeah, we’re like, Alright, what’s this? What’s in here? For me? Well, yeah,

Katie Beecher 36:04
I knew enough about my recoveries from other things to say, Okay, this is not my enemy. This is not out to get me. It’s scary. It’s supposed to be scary, because it’s getting my attention. So what’s the reason? What am I supposed to do with this and learn from it? And I didn’t want to be a patient. And be poor me. And because that wasn’t serving me. So it was, yeah, it was it was kind of practicing what I preach really, which is, you know, we screw up. Sometimes we try to do our best.

Brandon Handley 36:41
But I mean, I think that’s interesting, too, right? Because as much as we know, all this stuff, and we practice and we preach it and we go through it doesn’t mean we’re invulnerable to those things, right? And then it’s when they happen. We’re like, he’s son of a bitch. Right? Like, all right, you can call it calling my Bluff, right? as it were. Let’s see, let’s see,

Katie Beecher 37:07
can I roll behind me? That’s awesome. That is my love. I enjoy it. I’m addicted to it. And I got a shoulder injury, not doing poll. And there was there was a message to that, which I’ve done after going through the whole thing, but I’m like, dammit.

Brandon Handley 37:23
I love you know, I love that you do you do some of the the pole dancing on here and stuff on your Insta stuff? It’s, I mean, I love it, right? You’re just out there doing it and doing your thing. I think that that’s, you know, just more of doing your thing, right? It’s just part of who you are doing it. And it’s not right or wrong,

Katie Beecher 37:42
kill you when it’s good for you. And it’s as strong as I’ve ever been in my life. And it’s good for body image. You know, if you told me back when I had an eating disorder that I would be wearing, basically, bikini on the internet, you are insane. I would have been with the beach. So you know. Right?

Brandon Handley 37:59
Good for you. I mean, look, that’s I mean, that’s a long journey to get there. So So I mean, there’s got it, there’s a lot I think there’s power in that story as well, for sure. For the Yes, omega center, who is your ideal client? Who should be attending? Like this? That’s a really, really yeah.

Katie Beecher 38:21
I feel like someone who knows nothing at all, about spirituality or intuition, or art, or any of that stuff would be great. And the clients I work with run from knowing nothing to being practitioners themselves, um, people who do intuitive work or energy work, or who were even physicians or acupuncturist or whatever, it’s advanced enough that they would get something out of it. For sure, it’s, you know, it’s my own things that I’ve created and invented with some young thrown in. So, really, I have purposely

Brandon Handley 39:01
wait with this other guy young that I heard of. He’s okay. He’s a small contributor,

Katie Beecher 39:08
you know, so I think things that people have not been exposed to be for unless you’ve had a reading, but even then, it’s kind of cool. So it’s people who know nothing, people who are have some sort of illness or whatever, like, who doesn’t, you know, learn more about that people who want to help themselves and clients or and other people. And it’s, I really want it to be I want to be friendly, not scary. You know, but also for people to say, Well, I didn’t know I could do that. And I’m

Brandon Handley 39:49
alright. Right. We I mean, I guess if there’s somebody out there who’s in the area and are thinking and maybe they they, you know, they would just want to test out this Medical intuition on themselves, this is something I could go check out and then, right. It’s something that, yeah, they could they could put into practice, like, almost immediately. One thing I want to circle back on is something that you hit on, is the whole idea that I think it’s I just want to help reinforce for you is that you into it, you have conversations with the people. And you recommend that they go to a specialist people that I validate,

Katie Beecher 40:31
I want to have experience with, right? That right? No, are ethical our caring, are qualified to do their thing. So in the reading, we talk about physical, emotional, spiritual, I will identify things that I see, you know, like physical symptoms, emotional symptoms, I’ll identify all that. And I could say, you know, symptoms such similar to Lyme or similar to something else. But this is these are some people that I recommend, some who work online, some are who are in the area, who can, can look into what I’ve said further, do some testing. So you have empirical information, do some treatment, I cannot treat people that’s not legal or ethical either. So

Brandon Handley 41:29
yeah, I’m yeah, that’s something I want to call out, right? I wanted to double down on that. So somebody only, maybe they weren’t really listening to the first half. And they come in the backend? Well, you can’t just do these things and send people off, right? And tell them they’re gonna be okay. You’re telling them you know, there’s Hey, there’s more work, there’s more work beyond what I just talked about. Please go right. validate this with somebody who’s certified because that’s not what I do here. What I do here is I you know, we help we discuss, we understand, I show you two that you can do this through your own intuition. That’s why you’re here with me today, right? Because you’ve got intuition. And now Hey, let’s not stop there.

Katie Beecher 42:09
And also I have them contact me after what what did you find? What’s going on with you? What did you find? And you can ask questions about the reading afterwards for no extra charge? Because I don’t think it’s fair. If someone has a question, they make a whole new appointment. Like that’s not cool. So I follow up with them and want to know what’s going on. And in some people, a lot of people make follow up appointments, some people don’t, it’s all it’s all good, depending what you want to do. But it’s it’s a process.

Brandon Handley 42:39
Katie, real similar to the who should be showing up for your events, like who’s your guy, I know, you get customers from all different types of moves, what seems to be like your most prevalent

Katie Beecher 42:51
Can I definitely get people who do have others who don’t, people who just want to connect to their intuition or improve their relationships or whatever. But the vast majority of people, I would say, have a physical or mental health condition that they haven’t gotten the help that they’ve needed or wanted. for it, they want to learn more about it, they want to get to the root cause instead of mandating and taking medicine or whatever. So they really want to get to the bottom of it and feel better permanently, you know, have lasting, lasting health and lasting wellness, and find their life purpose and be authentic.

Brandon Handley 43:40
Perfect, awesome. You put in there for a second. Oh, so usually, you know, is there anything else that you would cover or anything else that kind of you would you would want to share that we didn’t really touch on during this? Um,

Katie Beecher 43:53
I guess I just really want to say that we are all capable of being happy and of healing and of being authentic and trusting ourselves. And it seems really scary. Sometimes No, it is, you know, not gonna not gonna say it’s not but it’s really worth it. And it’s okay to ask for help. It takes strength to ask for help, you know, but, like, keep trying, you know, and even just following your dreams. I’m not a writer under the hell I was doing. I have this book that got published it, you know, it took a while it was a lot of kind of ups and downs and just kind of keep at it and, and don’t be afraid to make mistakes.

Brandon Handley 44:49
I’m trying to see where my mic is.

Unknown Speaker 44:52
My honor my off.

Brandon Handley 44:56
What’s the first step for somebody like that? Right. So I agree. 100 percent. What is starting that journey?

Katie Beecher 45:03
It’s admitting it admitting that I am not perfect. I need help. I don’t have to be better than other people. I’m the same. Everybody has flaws. But I need to admit that I have pain. And I don’t want to live this way anymore.

Brandon Handley 45:25
I have suffering, right we have. So every everybody has suffering. That’s, that’s the root of it. Right? And how do I how do I let go that transcend it? as it were? Well, awesome. I think that’s great. The place we are now is in the spiritual speed dating space right now. Right. So basically, basically, somebody is tuning in here today. They’re like, I’m looking for my next you know, spiritual hottie. You could be it for somebody out there, Katie. And so let’s find a question that I think works here. We’ll start with bachelor number one, what is the greatest quality humans?

Unknown Speaker 46:09
Humans possess?

Brandon Handley 46:13
mean, let’s expand on it. Like, what’s that? What’s that mean?

Katie Beecher 46:16
Right, caring about others. And being there for other people. I think there’s a lot of really nice, good people out there. There’s a lot of shitty people, but there’s a lot of people who actually do really care about others. And that’s the most important gift we can give each other is to, to be there.

Brandon Handley 46:39
For me step by step into that love and actually I hate the term leverage, but like, use it, right? Don’t just be like, leverage the love and like, you know, in I think what you were saying earlier in that way that you’ve already applied to yourself, or have the potential to apply to yourself. I think the first place right that somebody should apply that is to themselves unconditionally. Learn how to love yourself before you love anybody else. I think as a as a takeaway on that one. Just admit it, acceptance is freeing. And it’s, it’s, it’s liberating, right? Really, you know what, yeah, that was my shit. It is now what? Right? What are we also afraid of?

Katie Beecher 47:25
I was good. I looked at those questions. I was gonna say ourselves, but what I really think it is, is abandonment and not being loved by others.

Brandon Handley 47:37
Around Yeah, I mean, I think I think that that’s, that’s a big part of it, for sure. Um, but I think I would, I would, I would almost say to, right, I mean, it links to that love thing, right? You haven’t learned how to love yourself yet in a situation like that. So both answers are acceptable, like, loving yourself, like, you know, afraid to like kind of love yourself or yourself being afraid of yourself. Right. That’s that whole Marianne Williamson. You know, the our greatest fear, isn’t that right? I mean, hockey, like every time you see it, it’s like, that’s the one all right, man. Jeez, I don’t know why you’re anything yet. But sure. Right. Well, listen, Katie’s it’s been so great to finally have this interview with you. Have you on I know we You and I were talking before we we got going here. We connected sometime in like February this year. It’s August. Holy smokes. 2021 looks like a record speed break neck year. So thank you so much for being on where can I send the audience to find

Katie Beecher 48:46
some fun? Um, so my website is Katie. k Tia, feature b e ch er calm. So Katie meter calm. And I think I owe you a picture.

Brandon Handley 49:01
If you don’t give me one, I’ll find one. Katie. So that’s you know, that’s in your hands. Right? That’s, that’s within your control. The can they find out more about your sessions and your book by going to your site? So you’re okay, so everything, everything they need is right there,

Katie Beecher 49:18
too. It’s Katie Beecher, medical intuitive. But yeah, my website talks about the different options for readings. And their sample reports on there. There’s paintings, you know, my back stuff, you can make the appointment right on the website. There’s a link to I think it’s Barnes and Noble or something about my book with the thing. And then there’s a link on there also for the Omega workshop right on my front page.

Brandon Handley 49:46
Awesome. Well, congratulations on your book, and you know, the work that you’re doing, I think it’s so cool. And the story that you’re sharing and you’re bringing your authentic self to the world the way that you are, I think it’s great.

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Positive TV Prabhat Gautam Spiritual Dope

The Goal of Positive Television is to generate publicity for the many individuals and organizations already making positive change and to assist developing groups and individuals flourish. Prabhat’s belief is that there are already many positive things being done all around the world, so creating programs and events will serve to inspire more people to get involved. Prabhat has said, “People have a fascination with all aspects of celebrity life, so I wanted to create a network that focuses on the giving done by celebrities and use that celebrity power for the highest good.”

Connect with Prabhat at https://positivetelevision.org/ or, if you have an idea, or enjoy this podcast, pick up the phone and give him a call @310-872-0669

Transcript below is machine generated

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Today I have with me Prabhat Gautam and you know, I’m gonna deviate a little bit, I’ll definitely let you know that for both comes from, you know, to me from positive television. That org it’s a positive television is something that provides has created himself and he connects with a ton of ton of different people and organizes lots of awesome events. But you know today I just want to I want to take a little bit of a deviation from just kind of doing the biographical statements I just wanted to say, you know, Rob came to me, by way of, you know, just kind of like a random introduction, you would you had introduced Kiko Ellsworth to the podcast, and I just wanted to reach out and say, thank you for that. And then it turned into, you know, kind of, you know, getting on the podcast, and I just thought that was really cool. Because you never know whose life you’re touching, right? When you do these podcasts and who you’re reaching out to. And, you know, even before we got started today, you’re you’re sharing that? Well, you know, you still listen to a podcast or two. And it’s always great to hear that, that what’s being sent out is being heard. So thank you for that for being a listener, but also for, you know, being a connector and also for the work that you do in the space that you are in, which we’ll certainly talk about, and for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:31
But thank you so much, Brandon, and thanks for creating this amazing platform. And, you know, when I heard episodes, I just I wanted Chico to be on there. Because, you know, Chico, last year did this amazing conference. And he’s looking for opportunities to talk about his spiritual journey. And I was like Brandon’s the guy, because the reality is what you’re doing with the whole spiritual junk movement and what you’re doing with your podcast. It’s really getting spirituality, I think, to a next level, or it’s real for people. And I think during our time today, we’ll talk about how you’re making it real for people. And it’s not just, you know, as we heard many times of your podcast, this out there thing that people aren’t practicing every day, you’re making it a practical thing. What you’re doing

Brandon Handley 2:19
now, thank you. Thank you. And I’m glad that that’s coming through, right? Because that’s absolutely the intent is how do we make this practical and less nebulous, and more of something that is in your life every day all the time? Right, there’s no separation. So since you have listened, then then you should know, right, the next piece is that the universe speaks to us. Right? And, and there’s somebody out there today that you know, is going to be tuned into the podcast. And there’s a message that is being delivered to and through you that that listeners are going to need to hear what is that message today.

Prabhat Gautam 2:57
I really deeply believe that. I want people to find what they’re just what they’re driven to do. And it may not need to be your occupation. But live more of that. If you’re a painter and you love painting, I’m not saying you need to quit your job and become a professional painter. But make time every week in your life to do that. If you love going to the beach, because it brings you joy, go once a week, once a month, like take your vacations there. So we know deep down what we’re drawn to like where there’s a magnet, we know what we’re getting what we feel deeper than we need to be around. And I think for the truth is, for a lot of us, it’s good people. It’s inspirational programming. So go find that stuff. So that’s what I hope people will do is, is do more of this stuff that really nourishes you and fulfills you. Because when you do that amazing, wonderful things open up in mostly you open up.

Brandon Handley 4:00
That’s awesome. So the I mean, the idea that the idea that simply do more of what you love, right, and it doesn’t have to be this doesn’t have to be the this thing where you throw everything away and just do this thing, right? Like you always hear people talking about burning bridges and let it all go right. But just just to find time and and make that time to to go do it. And the idea, I love the idea that it’s going to nourish and fulfill you, right? Yeah, I mean, just I mean talk a little bit more about what you mean by nourishment and fulfillment, right? What’s that mean to you?

Prabhat Gautam 4:42
Yeah, what it really means is it my three favorite analogies are always sports, dating and food, right? Those three things and they like when you think about when, when you’re in those worlds if you meet somebody you like them. You want to spend more time, right? There’s like this, this magnetism if you’d like somebody in sports, you do all this time to practice every day, because you’re preparing for the game. And if you go into a game, and you’ve never practiced your level performance, it’s just not gonna be the same level as your, as your competitors, and your teammates. And then obviously, in the food world, we’ve all done this, we’re all guilty of it, I’m still guilty of it, sometimes, you have this pack day, we have so much you have to do, you look up at two o’clock, you haven’t eaten anything, you haven’t drank juice, you haven’t, like, you know, you’ve not you’ve, you’ve basically gone through a 568 hours a day, with no nutrients, often no water, and that’s gonna affect your ability, like, it’s gonna affect your brain, it’s gonna affect your effectiveness. And the reality is, it’s gonna affect your mood, you’re not going to be as loving, as nurturing as thoughtful a person. So for me, everything comes back to, we know what nurtures us, we know what fills us. So when you know, in you what you need to be nurtured. And I know for me on the food level, I love quick snacks, like I love snack bars, I love to have juice in the morning. And that’s how I like to run my day. So if I’m not doing that, or not taking care of my basic nutritional needs, it’s going to impact what I’m going to be able to do for other people. I think you know, this brand, and even with your podcast, you might do multiple podcasts in a day. But if you’re not making any time for you, and your loved ones, it’s gonna affect your podcast, like you’re going to feel it, your energy levels is going to be a little lower, you’re going to be a little tired, you’re not going to have as much focus. And you’re doing this all the time. I think at a high level, I think you’re doing amazing work. But the truth is, can we all do things at a higher level? And how much are we holding ourselves back? When we’re not nourishing ourselves?

Brandon Handley 6:54
Yeah, I mean, that’s powerful. Right? Can I mean just, yeah, just the idea of, can we be doing something at a higher level, by by nourishing ourselves, right, by by adding the element of making sure that we’re taking care of ourselves, and that’s inclusive of taking care of our families. And, you know, as as, as, you know, look as a family, man, right? I can, I will definitely feel thrown off balance, if I’m not having that family time. Right. And it will definitely show up in everything that I’m doing, just like you’re saying. So what, you know, one of the cool things, I mean, you know, the, I know you through right, is the positive television piece, right, which you shared with me. Well, let’s talk a little bit about that. And how you got that spun up and organized. And what took you there?

Prabhat Gautam 7:42
Yeah, so for me, I grew up on the MTV era, right, in the, in the 90s. And I remember when I, I just loved it, you know, loved music videos, and just loved sort of it was this pop culture phenomenon. And I think, you know, getting out of college as like, Well, what do I want my life to be? And I went, and I did an internship with Amnesty International, but I thought my life would be putting these reports together about what’s happening internationally, and fixing, you know, atrocities, and how do we change the world? And then right before I finished college, I interned with the Vice President, the University, University of Oklahoma, and then I started writing out what would my dream world look like? And how would I want to be part of it? And I felt like media has this incredible power, to motivate, inspire, and get people to take action? So I thought, Well, okay, media can do that when they tell stories. And this is, you know, 1999. I thought, well, what if you’re actually intentional with your media? What if it’s not like, oh, there’s 29 minutes of local news. That’s depressing and terrible, and you’re scare? And the last 30 seconds are, you know, somebody saved the cat that went up a tree? What did we actually just did all positive stories, while we’re being realistic, that there’s a lot of terrible things happening in the world, but it’s always solution oriented. And that’s really sort of the impetus of what positive telogen turned into. So I moved out to LA in 2000, to create this television network. And again, I was young, I didn’t know what I was doing, which I honestly believe is the best place to be at when you don’t know what you’re doing. You just take steps step step. And you might take a wrong step, but it’s a learning step. So again, right? What I love to use words like failure and wrong, because I think so often people view those as negative. And I feel like if we own Hey, I failed, hey, I don’t I’ve made the wrong choices, then it’s like, Okay, well, then I know there’s a right choice to make. I know there’s a chance for success. So for me, you know, I believed in this world moved to Los Angeles to try to create this television network. And the next thing that happened is Tesla events. I’ve met all these people that I thought would help me build this network, and I ended up producing events and now 21 years later, I’ve produced 800 events in Los Angeles. with, you know, huge celebrities, usually super wealthy people. And and now when I look back in 1999, and 2008, a cable TV channel, but I saw a world where there’s no commercials where you’re just telling stories. And the reality is, there was no YouTube, there’s no Facebook, there’s no Google in 1999. Like, none of that existed in the way it exists now. So sometimes when you’re early, it’s really difficult because you think the world doesn’t believe in what you believe in. And later, you realize, like when I listen to podcasts now, and you watch YouTube videos, and you see Netflix, Amazon, there’s so much content that’s inspirational. It was like 1% of the content and 9099. Now, if you want to be surrounded by positivity all day, you can live in that positive bubble as much as you want. Which I think realistically, we need we need. After you’ve had a family member that’s passed, or something sad happened, you needed to be lifted up, and you need to be in a place of all positivity. And then when you come back to the regular world, where there’s some negative, some positive, you can start at 20 9010, you could really, you can curate your positivity in one of the podcasts that you did random that I loved was with Mr. Youngblood and you talked about Wish I love you said, if somebody finds a spiritual community, that doesn’t work for them, it’s not an indictment on that community or on you, it just isn’t a fit. So go seek out other communities. Because once you find your community, you’ll you know what you feel it. And sometimes the search isn’t the first door. It’s four doors, it’s eight doors, but every door taught you your resilience, and how bad you want to find your try.

Brandon Handley 12:00
Yeah, 100%. And thanks for that. Right. The idea is,

Unknown Speaker 12:05
I think once

Brandon Handley 12:06
you start to feel that spiritual pool, there’s kind of no stopping you. But there is, there’s the opportunity to find a community that you don’t really know identify with, or feel like you fit in with and you can keep moving again, like you’re saying beyond to to the next or the next word, there’s so, so many, so many places that you can go right now. That is just, it’s just amazing. And to your point, right? You know, we didn’t have YouTube, back in the day, we didn’t have Facebook, we didn’t have all these communities, we didn’t have all these things open to us, that we that we’ve got available right now. But I love the idea of what you’re saying too. And that kind of fear. If you’re a visionary, right? If you’re ahead of your time, you may feel like people aren’t believing in you, or you start to maybe doubt like your own vision and, and kind of what you’re going through. And it’s not that the world isn’t ready for you. It’s it’s getting ready, right? It’s like It’s like, it’s like getting dressed for the prom, right? It’s just gonna take, so it’s gonna take a little bit longer than you expected.

Prabhat Gautam 13:09
And I think too, sometimes it’s, I remember in college, but I just was flipping channels. Late at night, I saw the story about missing kids. And I said, Why are we not finding these kids? I never knew any kid that’s missing. I just saw this story. And it just impacted me. So I started writing letters to Oprah and Rosie O’Donnell and CNN and said, We need to like find these kids, like don’t show photos of them. Let’s incorporate it into your programming. And I remember getting all these letters back where they’re like, Oh, yeah, you know, we tried to dress it. We’re doing this, we’re doing that. I remember, I did a mock up of what I thought that look like. And it was this television network where all the commercials would be little ads at the bottom, there’d be no real commercial just be like, you know, it’s basically what’s a banner ad on and, and the internet now. And I remember kind of writing everything up and saying I think the future is going to be a ton of content like you know, when john f kennedy was killed you see the the story with a reporters telling you know, Walter Cronkite tells the story. I want to watch the whole news coverage before that last minute where he says that, so we’re gonna find that archival footage, and I thought eventually there’ll be a video outlet somewhere where you find out archivable news footage. I had no idea what YouTube would be would be silly videos and, you know, cat videos or whatever else. But it’s also what you were saying. It’s highly educational, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all these things. They can suck up your day and 19 hours are wasted. Or it can be inspirational. You’re growing, you’re learning you find your community of people, so many wonderful friends who live in that social media space. They work in that space. They’re there in you know, they’re influencers, that space. They have people that they know every aspect of their life. They’re friends with that they Never met face to face. And I think, isn’t that a beautiful thing like you’re creating pen pals all over the world that you’re connected with. And for me, I in social media, where I, you know, I like to put stuff out, I don’t spend a lot of time interacting on social media. But again, I think that’s, that’s a product of my age, I think that’s sort of, I come from a world of AI Still, if there’s somebody is doing something cool, like what you’re doing brand or something, something, Hey, you guys should know about this person. I cold call people. I’ve done that for 30 years. And I think, you know, when I meet these Gen X, Gen Z kids, they’re like, what’s called calling like, you find somebody that’s doing something that’s really amazing. You send them an email, or a phone call, or you just pick up a phone, and you call them and say, Hey, I love what you’re doing. This is why I love it. And sometimes divided, it can be a reason why you are going to work together, you’re just telling them, Hey, I respect what you’re about. And sometimes those things lead to amazing friendships. You know, you can work with those people. At the very least, they got encouragement, I think, you know, we’re in a world of we all love being encouraged. We love positivity. But I think part of that equation is we need to put that out, we need to be encouragers. So when you see somebody say something positive, that’s really, you know why I’m so excited about this world of this guy, I think it’s a whole new media phenomenon where, where it’s not four channels is that you know, four channels that dictate to you what you learn, you get to pick what you want to learn every day of your life. And if you don’t want to learn what I remember, in 2003, I had a good friend who is Episcopalian, and she would do lat so I said, I want to do let you know, I my backgrounds, cultural anthropology, so I gave up all TV for a month. Well, it happened to coincide with the first with the the Gulf War, the 2003 Gulf War. And I remember thinking, I’m so lucky, I missed that. Because how negative was that seeing bombs thrown on people and death and, and just sort of be in a constant state of fear, where you know, just happen to coincide with the time I, it’s the only year I ever did lab. But that LED will always be memorable to me, because I grew up, you know, when you’re in Ramadan. I’m not trying to be Catholic or Episcopalian or Muslim. But Ramadan, I said, I want to see what this journey is for people that do that. And I learned so much understanding for what people go through, that really don’t eat for the day. Because they don’t have access to food, I get to do it as a chance for me to grow. And, you know, try to see what a billion people in the world are doing. But realistically, there are people who don’t eat a meal a whole day, there’s children that don’t eat. So if I can grow as a person and can walk in their shoes, or if even it makes me a better person,

Brandon Handley 18:02
right? No, I love that. I love the I love the idea of, you know, just trying to walk in somebody else’s shoes for for a period of time, you know, going through, I’ve never done land. I’ve never done Ramadan, right. And one of the things that I certainly encourage my family to do with my children is to research other cultures, right? Go research other cultures outside of America. And you know, what, what did they do? What do they celebrate? What does that celebration? What are those kids eating this week? Right? What does that look like for them? And this is something that I took from one of my history teachers way back in the day is like, why something like some type of food that that culture makes? And let’s, let’s eat that. Let’s make that meal, right? Like, what goes into that? And kind of where does it come from? And the background of it. And so, definitely love that. One of the things that, you know, I don’t think that we really hit upon you do events, what type of events the Do you know, with with these 800 events? What kind of events are they?

Prabhat Gautam 19:03
Yeah, so it’s really it’s a charity space. So it’s, it’s a ton of fundraisers. So in 2008, I did a fundraiser for group called kind kids in need of defense. So undocumented children that are that are picked up by ice angelyn it’s one of Angelina Jolie’s charities. So that was amazing. And she wasn’t there. So we didn’t get to get married. So I’m still sad by that. I think she was a bad dad at the time anyway. But But you know, I guess put that together. I’ve done so a lot. First stars with foster kids. That’s something I’m passionate about. And then a bunch of the animal charities gentle barn, Farm Sanctuary, Humane Society, like there’s just so so it’s really my sort of focus is what’s the group that doesn’t have a voice and then how do we give them a voice? So it’s animals, it’s people, it’s it’s people abroad, right. Like, I think even people here you know, it’s women and domestic violence. They don’t feel like they have a voice. It’s Kids. So that’s so much of it. So I’d say the majority is, is definitely fundraisers. And then along with that, what I love is doing documentary launches, doing book launch events, restaurant launch events, like the whole thing of getting people there to celebrate. I just I love that. So that’s really what I looked back at 21 years and 800 events. But there was one month, September 2007, I did 30 days of events. So I just because I’d never done that, I said, I want to challenge myself, I’ll do an event every single day that I produced. And we’ll never do that, again, probably. There’s a lot of time. But But definitely, it was amazing, because I teamed up with all these other people and said, Hey, I’m doing this month of events come up with a really fun idea. And there’s a woman she she made, you know, a little vegan baked goods, and she wanted people to rollerblade I don’t work. But now I see that she made these big guns, she gave him away for free. people showed up there probably the weather. And says like, that’s fine, you know, and there’s some fundraisers obviously during that month, but a lot of it’s just, I think my passion is how do you help people figure out their community? How do you grow community that how do you use community to do maximum good in the world. And I think what we all know is we all have, you know, whether people have the financial resources to help, or they can just share a video share a story, there’s just we have, we have the ability to help raise awareness, and you know, sign up people, my friend, she metal has a whole movement called raising their vibration, who I’m definitely going to introduce you to Brandon, you know, she has a whole radio thing with la talk radio, but that’s her whole thing. It’s like she does, you know, public events, how do you raise vibration in the world? So, to me, it’s that all comes back to it’s, it’s just bringing more positivity and, and I’m an obsessed connector. So how do we connect people, and then get them to do more good, because, you know, once I meet people like, hey, Brandon, I’m a kid, this person has a great podcast, who are the people I know beyond that, then if I meet somebody that’s a chef, and they went out there doing a cookbook? Well, who do I know, there are photographers to help them with their books. So I’d say so much of my work is people reaching out to me, because they have a project, and they don’t know how to move it along. And then I help them make it happen.

Brandon Handley 22:25
That’s awesome. And I love that, you know, it’s kind of like, you’ve got this, you know, gift of being able to see kind of what’s good and everyone and to be able to connect the goodness as it is. Right? And, and to help them to, to scale that out is what it sounds like, right? You know, if somebody doesn’t know, you know, they’ve got a great idea, or they, you know, and they just want to give to the community, and then you’re able to help them kind of put that together in some way, shape, or form. And really, what you’re doing is raising vibration.

Prabhat Gautam 22:58
But thank you, I mean, some things I’m excited, you know, people need for like helping with a documentary Forks Over Knives. They’re really the documentary game changers, I helped introduce those producers, to some funders, they’ll pay for it. And it’s a lot of people that are pieces of puzzles, I just saw people just really honest with and they just say, Hey, this is our budget, you know, we would love to hire you bring you in to help us do this event. But you know, we also need to raise funds for the project. So we’re strategically, what do you think we need to do? And I can sit down with them, and I’m honest with them, and I say, you know, these steps, and you know, this is what, from my experience of 21 years of events, where I think you’re gonna have the best opportunity. So much of what I talk to people about is go to friends and family first, when you have an idea. I know a lot of times, our family’s not encouraging. And that’s why a lot of people get into these spaces where they want to help. But I think give them a chance to say no, because if you don’t go to them, it’s a no, if you go to them, and they say yes. And I’ve met with people, they say, Oh, well, my best friend’s father is a multimillionaire, but you know, I don’t really want to go to them to help. But I have this idea, but I have no funding. And I would say to them, go to your friend’s father, because maybe he won’t give you a million, maybe they give you 5000 10,000. But if he gives you 10 or 20,000 for your project, well, then you start it. And once you started, it’s just the philosophy of take a step every step you take, because what I’ve seen over and over and over again, is when people are the idea phase, we’re still used to people talking about ideas, and it doesn’t turn into anything. But when you take action, people don’t want to hear Oh, I want to go from Los Angeles to Washington DC. They’re like I bought a ticket to go from LA to DC. I don’t know what I’m gonna do when I get there. I don’t know how to you know, there’s a whole environmental movement that happened a couple years ago where people went out there, but once you bought the ticket, people are more likely to be on board and I’m not Use your savings to buy that ticket. But if you don’t take that first action step, people don’t believe you’re, you’re really going to do it. But once you take that step, that leap of faith, people feel like, wow, this person’s committed, what can I do to help them? So I think, give people opportunity to help you. But it starts with what’s your action step? And I tell people all the time do Kickstarter do Indiegogo do don’t fund me, again, you may only raise 2000. That’s 2000 more than you started. But what’s gonna happen is you’re now putting it out to everybody. You know, this is what I care about. This is my passion. And now, that person that’s your friend for five years, who is going to be able to donate, but their friends friends friend has XYZ that you need to help with your project. Will you just why do we need money? We need money to move things along. Right? It’s a currency, right? Right. It’s right, it’s water. So if you if you have the raft, you go out to the water and you know how to swim. It’s important. You know how to swim, swimming lessons, then get out there and be with other persons cool. They’re there after swimming. But what are they swimming for? Like I remember years ago to get friend, she had to do a walk from LA to Washington, DC to raise awareness about a bunch of issues. And I said, Okay, that’s good. Are you serious that I want to do is about children’s issues or health issues. Next thing you knew my friend Peter Samuelsson, I tell him about, he said, He’s trying to raise awareness about homeless issues. He said, Well, can he push this portable homeless cart at his organization? He darn EDR everyone deserves a roof as part of my job is to help push it. Next thing in the process is the owner the Philadelphia Eagles. Jeffrey Lurie. Yeah, here, we got Jeffrey Lurie on board and Phil are the Eagles doctors, we’re going to be her personal doctors on our wall. Wow. And it all became real. And then she’s like, wow, am I really going to do this. And obviously her family got scared. She and in the end, she ended up deciding to go to the grad school route versus the walk across the country for a few months. But for her, she needed to know people believed in her. And, and she’s this amazing activist. And sometimes what you need is not what you believe to happen to happen. You need to know people believe in you. I think for her, she was in tears. She’s like, Peter got Whoopi Goldberg on board. He said, Well, we’re doing this event in Philadelphia, why don’t you instead of kicking off in LA kick off in Philadelphia. And then let’s have Whoopi Goldberg announced your walk, and you start in Philadelphia. And she was like I said, you have Whoopi Goldberg, you have the Philadelphia Eagles owner and their doctors on board. You don’t need to raise $5,000 or $10,000. You raise awareness. And through that awareness, you’re gonna be able to raise a bunch of money.

And you’re gonna raise so much awareness for these causes. So I just tell people, let everybody in your circle know what you’re doing. Right? And if they feel like it’s authentic and genuine, don’t you know this rant like doors, open doors always.

Brandon Handley 28:11
It’s so true, right? Just like you’re saying, as soon as and as soon as you take that first action, like you’re talking about take that first. That leap of face is like, I call it like the signal to the universe, like, Alright, I’m doing this thing. Or like the fallback thing, I’m gonna need you to catch me, right, like I’m taking, I’m putting this foot down, I’m gonna I’m gonna head in the direction that I told everybody I was gonna head in. I’m gonna need like universal backing, could I go ahead and get that and, and it shows up. And it shows up in such amazing and powerful ways. I mean, I still like kind of well up about I mean, even connecting with you and connecting with all the people that I’ve gotten to connect with on this podcast and all the other podcasts. It’s, it’s just so amazing. What will open up if you’re willing to, like you said earlier, open yourself up to it. Right? So absolutely.

Prabhat Gautam 29:06
All of these things. Yay. Right? Like we were newly friends, right? Friends forever now. And now it’s like who the amazing people that are going to be inspired by your podcast, but I’ll send you an email, Hey, bring that up. person’s cool. I’d love to connect with them. Yeah, and then vice versa, right. like Nike goes through me. Now Kiko is gonna hopefully tap you in his network about the book, but his conference in the next year when he does a live conference, you know, last year, he did a virtual one, but he does a live one. Well, I’m sure he’s gonna want you to be part of it. So it’s like, you just see that these are the beginning of relationships that are for your life. And again, we’re all in different cities, but it’s an the paradigm has shifted in such a profound way that we don’t need to be next door neighbors in the same block, but we can literally be anywhere in the world and communicate and connect people to want to Now that are in all these amazing things out and I mean, I, I really am just such a strong believer in when he said to the analogy of somebody falling backwards, fall backwards, it’s good to know at least one person will catch you. But all you need is one, if one will catch you, then that means there’s two, there’s 10, there’s 100. And there’s 100, people don’t catch you. You don’t need to fall backwards. Now you’re all moving forward together, you’re all running, you’re walking, you’re running your you know, walk, jog, run, and then now you’re the marathon. And now you’re raising all this awareness consciousness about all this dollies, right? Like, and I tell people all the time, I don’t care what your passion is, I really don’t like my passions. I don’t care what your passion is. Just figure it out, find it. If I can help you find a quicker, I want to be part of that. And a good friend years ago, she said, If you met somebody that want to be a hairdresser, you do everything to help her start her hairdressing salon. I said, Yes, I would. And I don’t have any desire to go to hairdresser. But I think if you see people’s passion, you want to help nurture that you want to be part of that. And, and to me, it all goes back to I in the world of business, right? They’ll say, Oh, you just introduction to this, will you get a cut of the deal? I want, I don’t want 10% of people’s joy. I want 1,000% of their joy like to know you help somebody find their passion and you’re part of it. You don’t need them to tell you that you don’t need plaques, just to see their life, see them excited to know you are part of that journey. And everybody they’re ever going to talk to you are part of that. And vice versa. They’re part of your joy. What’s that worth? That’s bazillions. Like that, that’s such a higher level value than any amount of money.

Brandon Handley 31:46
Now 100% you I mean, you can’t you can’t buy that, right. And it’s, it’s it’s a challenge to instill that in someone who doesn’t have it too. But even though it’s already there, right, you can see it for them. And like you want to help them to see that in themselves. Right? Like you’re talking about that light, getting them to explore it and maybe needing that encouragement like is that somebody says they want to be a hairdresser. You’re like, Yeah, let’s go right? Like, you all you need is just that little, I always think about like the tiny seeds in the in the cracks of cement and sidewalks, right? They there’s like nothing around them, which is about just the tiniest amount of nurturing, right? nutrients, it gets them to blossom and grow in that in that place, which you know, to me, it speaks to us as well, right? As humans, it’s just a little bit of encouragement to go do that thing you said you wanted to do. And I bring this up because some of my first podcast came about right, I had a coach and, and I told her I want to do a podcast and I was expecting I was expecting her to say, well, that’s a dumb idea you really shouldn’t deviate from from doing doing that. And instead, she’s like, Alright, well, what can I do to help? And I was like, What? Yeah, right, it’s just and that’s all you need is just a little bit of that type of encouragement to, to go and find and do the things that you love, but to have the support with other people with you. That’s, that’s, you know, that makes it tenfold and beyond. So the other piece that we were talking about before, we figured out our technical challenges today was the idea that, you know, you know, I think you seem to be in a pretty good spiritual place, you know, seem like you’re, you’re feeling pretty happy. You’ve got like, you know, your light that you shine to help other lights shine. But you talked a little bit about like a lot of these people that you help with these events that are sad. Right. And and let’s talk a little bit about that, since you brought it up earlier.

Prabhat Gautam 33:46
Yeah, so yeah, you know, years ago, you know, I met Andy dick, who’s, you know, pretty known for his drug and alcohol addiction, right? So we became friends. And then then we had, we had a gallery in Hollywood together. And I remember, you know, just seeing that world of fame, and how so many people like they want to seek that out, right? They want to, and like in any other ad, his brother dies, get a relapse and got back into drinking. And I remember when

I was like, 3am, one night, and I said, Ken is what your legacy to be. Because as far as we know, right? We’re all going to be gone one day, what’s your legacy? And he said, I want to prevent people from the hardships I had. I said, Andy, what does that look like? Is that a bug? Is that a toward you? When I speak to college kids, so they’ll never get it? He said, love to do that. I said, so you know, I’ll send them encouraging text still on that end. We got to that book, because he wants to help get people out of the pitfalls he got into. And I think so often in the world of celebrity, no, I I interviewed Jim Greenberg. He’s donated 40 40 million to charity. amazing person, right. And he’s always in a place of giving and high level celebrities, you know. And what you realize is people think they want to have these people’s lives and they miss that. Jim is talks about when you’re a philanthropist, he said, every day of my life, people are pitching projects that they need funding for. And I have to think, who do I find them utilized often, and whoever I don’t find, they may not be able to get the help they need. And he said, I only have limited resources, no matter how much money I have, I still can’t find everything you said the majority of his time is on the phone with other donors trying to get them to help fund projects. So you know, he figured out the areas he wants to focus on, he tries to encourage more people as they’re growing their wealth to give the money away. And I think we look at it from an outside like, oh, when you’re famous, or when you’re rich, your life’s gonna be easy. And you’re cater to one of the people misses. There’s a loneliness a lot of people with wealth and fame have. And there’s also this world where, when people come to them, they always need something. And so, you know, I remember when when Jim moved into his house in Los Angeles, the first week he moved in, I brought I brought over Amy’s soups, who are on his, I said, Jim, you’re worse cook than me, I want you to have easy since he does warm a lot, you know, and I’ve been vegan since 1999. He’s vegan plant based, now for a while. So I’d say these are easy soups, you throw them in the, you know, you heat them up on the stovetop, that’s good. And, and I said, he doesn’t need me to bring him soup. He’s a super wealthy person. But I said, we’re legitimately friends, I would do that for any friend, whether they have $1 or a million dollars. And and I think we just got to be in a place of, of not having this idol worship. And I think you know, what I love about what you’re doing your podcast, Brandon is, it’s, it’s making spirituality real for people. Because I think too often, they think the pastor is amazing at their church, they think the spiritual teacher of this yoga practice is amazing. Well, what happens to that person is a scandal, which they do. So when the person you look up to is flawed? Do you throw out your whole spiritual practice? Because they’re a flawed individual? Or do you say, okay, they were trying to teach something good, but they themselves didn’t even get the fullness of what the lesson is. So I think, you know, I think I said to a good friend recently, these are systems, religion is a system, right? These spiritual practices systems, that people can be bound within the system. And there’s a group of people who see outside of the system, and the system can still help heal, you can help you grow. I say all the time. If somebody has a drug addiction, alcohol addiction, they’ve been through a lot of trauma. I want them to find organized religion, if that’s going to help them do it. I think there’s deeper beyond that. And maybe I’m wrong, but I think there is. So I think whatever you need to break, whatever is holding you back and do that. But ultimately, I want people to find just, I think there’s a direct pathway for people, when when you find good people find them. When you find encouragement, buying them. However, people want to describe these things, energy, God, whatever, you know, atheist, it’s like it’s love. It’s goodness, I think it’s inconsequential. The the labels we put on stuff is me coming from a cultural anthropology background, there’s different words for everything. There’s cultures, they have no word for snow, so to snow, because it is the smell of those those communities. So snow exists, the fact that they don’t have a word for it doesn’t mean that they’re lesser or they’re devoid of smell, you know, I think we get so caught up in the semantics, the word the word games, and, and people are so busy trying to convert to their one segment of their view. Or really, I think the real work is encourage people to find what is working for them, be loving, be nurturing. And if they’re in a path, you don’t like that they’re on delay, they’ll find their way. And I think there’s, I think there’s an element of people, where there’s a missionary element where they want to convert everybody to the one practice. But what happens when you grow your practice, you brought all these people to practice that doesn’t even work for you anymore. So instead of trying to bring them to your practice, tell them what works for you. Be honest about it. Tell them any sort of issues you ever had in your journey. And be honest about it. And then if they find this in practice, great if they don’t, you being honest, is so genuine. You know, I think for me, for me being vegan for 21 years, I tell people that there’s some of those vegan cheeses, meats I didn’t like at the beginning. I don’t sell it as Oh, everything’s great here. I’m like, these are the things I like these are the things I didn’t like. This is why I liked it. And this is where, you know, my vegan role is improved. And I think a lot of people resonate with that more because it’s a real commentary on my journey. And I think the same thing for for you, Brandon, what are you talking about is you know, you’ve gone through the podcasts you revamped, you changed and stuff, you learn you, you didn’t wake up one day, and you’re the next year, Rogen, you woke up one day and started it, modified it live life, modified it live life modified it, where you’re at today, maybe different the reaction years from now, but where you’re at today is where you feel drawn to be at. So to me, that’s your journey, you’re supposed to be doing what you’re doing. Right? You see it, you feel it?

Brandon Handley 40:41
Yeah. And so it’s impossible not to. Yeah, right. Once you, once you once you, once you do be in the field that draw that pool into where you’re going, I always say to the, if I’m still talking the same talk, and saying the same things in 10 years, and something’s probably wrong, that I’m not learning, maybe, right. Like, I’m like, I always, you know, I throw that out there. And then I’m going back to kind of earlier in the conversation just in the in the whole idea of, if you don’t know how to do it, start doing it now. Right? Because you, it’s almost better that you don’t know anything, right? And you just start to do it and you start to do what feels right for you. I love I love what you’re saying about the whole idea of, you know, in this, you know, I was certainly you know, against here, initially, you know, kind of falling into the spirituality spaces like, Oh, you got to do this way you do that do this, this is this is the way, right and it’s not right. If that was my understanding of my path at that time, you have your very, very, very own path. And it’s up to me to encourage you to follow your path, share some of the practices, like you’re saying that that I have found that have worked for me, and they’re called practices for a reason, right? Because I’m practicing them and I’m practicing, you know, implementing them in my life. And maybe one day, I won’t use these same things anymore. And

Prabhat Gautam 42:11
then I remember when people talking to me about yoga, I was like, it’s just still I can’t do it. I’m like, I’m gonna fall asleep. But I had a good friend who she said to me, meditations, whatever you want it to be like, when you’re on a train, if you if you’re closing your eyes, you’re listening to music, and it gets you in a calm state, that’s your meditation. And really, it broke, for me the rigidness of it all. And I realized, like, we want people to find calm and peace within. And especially in a world of this hustle bustle you’re running around all day. So if you close your eyes to three times a day, and it’s calming you and you know, if you’re, when you’re in the shower, you close your eyes, or you just enjoy the water, or when you’re in the morning, right having a bowl of cereal or you’re like you’re having whatever you’re having. And you’re like watching, you know, YouTube videos, if your favorite singer, if it brings you joy, and it’s uplifting you, I always say my life philosophy is the Sheryl Crow song, if it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad. Because I think people should seek out what makes them happy. And then when they realize it’s empty, then you need to pivot. And be really honest with yourself, I tell people all the time that they want to be a loan and make as much money as they can make, go out and go on that path. And then when you find that it’s empty for you, you realize, okay, you need to make money to live, it’s good to have money. So you can, you know, take a trip you have as good as some savings. You know, that’s, that’s that’ll make your life easier. But this pursuit to be the richest, most famous, the most everything person is getting ended up where you’re not going to be that one day, you know, be the richest, prettiest, smartest, everything is famous this person. And then once you lose it, you’re like, well, who am I? And then you realize that’s a question should ask a lot, who am I and find that, and then let all the other things sort of take care of themselves. And I mean, one thing I definitely, you know, when I listen to your podcasts that stuck out to me that I was like, I got to talk to Brandon about this. Because either you’re it’s gonna resonate with me, or resonate with you? Well, we’re gonna have a really good debate. I hope for the latter, but I think it’s going to probably resonate is my critique of sort of this new world of spirituality, whatever the last 2025 years, is, it’s too much of a multi level marketing plan. You gotta sign up 10 friends, and they’re going to sign up to France, we’re all going to become really wealthy, and we’ll get a piece of it, which really, I think the way it should be is just to live your life, live your life, be who you are. And when that happens, you’re not going to sign up 10 friends, you’re gonna sign up one person is going to see what you’re doing. They’re gonna be inspired by it. They’re going to go find 1000 people, they’re going to find whoever and the reality is there is no Hey, you’re going to get a percentage. This is it. We’re not selling a product. We’re Trying to uplift generations to come. You’re trying to, you’re trying to create light in the world and created a positivity for generations, well beyond where our lives. So if that happens, there’s no scorecard, like, you know, if you’re inspirational, you know, when people reach out to you, right? And they tell you, oh, your podcast inspired me. Oh, for me, I got the word people like, here, that was so amazing. I got to meet some of the most amazing people. But people have said to me, they’re like, because, again, my events, I, during events, all if I think, oh, wow, this person’s here, that person’s there, they need to know each other. So all of you in person introductions, I’ll say, this is why I think you need all the email introductions of people person, any person via this, why I think you guys should meet each other. But when you know, they end up creating amazing, wonderful projects together. Do you get that inspiration in you? So I think sort of my critique of sort of this

new spiritual world or last 30 years of spirituality or what’s presented is there’s I do think people, there’s nothing wrong with selling products, making money, doing coaching, all that stuff’s good. Like, I think it’s we need people to like to live in their their spirituality every day of their life. But I think when it ends up being, well, you got to be happy every second of the day. No, you shouldn’t be if somebody close to us passed away, and you feel no sadness. I question your real journey. You should feel sad, when somebody close to you says, they just went through a breakup or they were in a domestic violence relationship. Your reaction should be how do I help you? Oh, I feel terrible for you. Have you gone to counseling? Do you need a place to stay? What are actionable steps to help you? And you should, you should feel their sadness? And again, you know, in that moment, maybe you’re not crying, but you’re figuring out action steps. But I think real humans are not happy 24 hours a day, real humans? You know, question? Am I doing what’s right? I think checking in with yourself is so important and saying yourself, Is this the right thing for me to do? And something that you did for I remember, I was in college, and University of Oklahoma, I did a cable television show for four years. And it was so much of my identity. And one day, I was like, This feels like work to me, I’m not enjoying it anymore. What do you think what changed is because I knew I was going to leave college, I needed to leave to start my life somewhere else. And no, it’s Los Angeles in 1998 99. I just knew I was gonna leave. And I think you start preparing yourself. And again, this many years later, I’ve been involved by documentaries. So that television world has been part of my life. But it needed to change I needed to leave. You know, it’s always like, you got to close some doors to open new ones. And one of my philosophies that I’m obsessed with is, is is owning the word quitting. You have to quit relationships, it to quit jobs, you have to quit things that are not the most fulfilling thing for you with the belief that something more fulfilling is going to happen. And I think so often people leave relationships, when they meet the next person, they quit a job because they found the next job. It’s like, one of the best things ever did is I started working part time at a job I was in for four years, because I knew I was ready to leave. And that allowed me to transition into all the advanced stuff that I’ve gotten into. So I think preparing yourself without fully knowing what the next thing is, and taking that step in like freeing up the time thing that’s so important

Brandon Handley 48:41
that I think that we’re doing something right being okay to let go being okay to let go of that thing. Because you know, it’s no longer fulfilling and knowing that and hoping or at least, it at least shot the thing that’s no longer fulfilling, right? Just drop that like it, just go do something else, there’s, there’s going to be something else that that will take that space for you. Right energetically or whatever. And, you know, to your point I want to I will definitely want to jump in on the the the spiritual MLM spray and the idea. Listen, when I first you know, I don’t know, when I first started podcasting, I always say that I started for the wrong reason. It was like that, right? I started it for the wrong reasons. But as I grew and evolved or you know, change whatever happened throughout that podcast, I would say that, you know, I did the right things for the wrong reasons. But through that time, like my heart, you know, I was like myself to the Grinch. My heart grew two sizes too big to the process. Yeah. And you know, I just really understood more about what it was that I was trying to give. I understood more about the idea that, you know, I want to just give this freely as I can for right now because if I do it, and I attach what it is I’m doing to you Kind of for monetary gain, or at least, you know, monetary gain in the sense that it has to be done. There’s desperation behind that feeling right. And I couldn’t just do it naturally and just be like, this is this is what’s really coming through me now. And and there is no. And people like, you know, kind of what’s your endgame was like, I don’t know, this is this is just what I’m doing right now. And I’m connecting with amazing people. And I’m getting to hear amazing stories from other people. And it’s my hope that there’s somebody else out there that, you know, the next robot is the provocateurs listening today, right, that says, hey, you know what, I want to get involved in the communities the way that you have, I want to, I want to, you know, find my way forward the way that you you have, and then that person is inspired right to follow similar footsteps, right for themselves, but like, be led by you to that place. And just by virtue, you and I are having a conversation, and it’s possible, and that’s why I love to do what I do.

Prabhat Gautam 51:02
So beautiful. I think what you said is, is the reality of like, like, it’s all a journey for everybody. And, and at the time, you knew you needed to get in this work. I think there is a thing, okay, well, there’s production cost, there’s gonna take time, right, early podcast, I mean, you’re buying super expensive microphone, like all that stuff. It’s like, well, I’m putting money out well, how can I make that money back? And I think in you know, and it really is that whole world where people tell you like what we do this? Well, you gotta like really an easy more ad based needs to be destiny, like everybody transit advice, and 99% of the people I tell you their advice, they’re not making money off what they’re getting advice for. Like, it’s, it’s I almost feel like it’s a world full of single and recently divorced people giving dating advice, like, it’s what do we do? Like, we need, like, I want to talk to the person who’s been happily married for 30 years, about the struggles they’ve had off and on for the 30 years, but they’re like, every day I wake up, and no, there’s no other person I want to be with and this person. And during that day, that maybe a few minutes were like, there’s no this person I don’t want to see in the next five minutes. But then they go back to there’s no other person on the view, like the reality of what their journey is. I think that’s just a beautiful real thing. But I just think so much of the spiritual MLM world is oh my gosh, do this do this. Like my friends friends cousins, friend made $10 million off of an insight can meet your friends, friends, cousins, friend, because so often these are like their their stories that are just to get more people signed up. And it’s sort of the carrot. It’s like, if you have really good water, let me try the water because I want we all want good water. Yeah. To this great plains, ever, it is like detergent, that’s chemical free. Let me try it. Like, like, I have friends for years, like, well, you should get in a world of where you sign people up. I’m like, No, if I like it, I’m gonna buy it, I’m gonna give it to my friends that they want to buy and get if they don’t, that’s fine. Like, just give me good stuff that you think’s gonna, like, uplift my life. And then you guys can sign them all up under you. But I’m and I their friends for years, they’re like, Oh, we have such a great network, you’re the perfect person to be in whatever it is like real estate or sales or like, you know, you can, there’s so much money, you can move here, they’re like, I don’t have any, I want to move money into making a difference. That’s what I want to do. That’s, to me, I’ve been able to do that in the charity space. So it’s like, that’s what I want my life to be. And if other people meet these amazing people at events that I do, and they can figure out how to monetize it will get and when you monetize it, hopefully you remember where you met them, and then give some of that money to the charity. That was the event that you had. And if you don’t do well, hopefully you have a really good life and you’re happy and he raised amazing kids like I look at it as I this don’t fixate on what are your treasures before your, your buried, I look at your treasures are with the people that you interact with every day. And in the end. The goal is, you know, I mean, I just tell people, right, your goals at your funeral to have all these lives that got changed. I remember a lady I met Jeanette the boss when I was in college, and she told me this amazing story. Jeanette was probably in her 60s, she was the cable station that I did my white college cable show up and she said when her mother passed away, so many people came up to her at the funeral and said, you know, your mom helped us this time. You know, your mom, let us stay at our house. You know your mom, we struggle financially. She did this. She’s like, I didn’t know my mom did 10% of that stuff. My mom is so much more incredible person I realized. And she in Jeanette was amazing, incredible person. But it’s like you see you see that? What she was like and that’s like that’s what you should want your funeral to be where everybody’s like, wow, Brandon’s amazing. He did all this stuff. And you know, when he was He was doing stuff when there was no parade, you know, own didn’t do a show around. Before he was big, he was helping people. And then he got big and he’s big time he wouldn’t return your calls. But that’s

Brandon Handley 55:12
what a jerk. What a jerk.

Prabhat Gautam 55:14
Always be there for people. But I think it’s like, it’s who you are them I say like who you are when nobody’s looking? Right? That’s your character.

Brandon Handley 55:22
Right. Rob real quick, what, you know, how did you know that this was the path for you? Like, where was like, where did it like dawned on you that like, this was your heart song that this was what you needed to do for the rest of your life? Up until now, at least.

Prabhat Gautam 55:40
So I would say you always like I think when you’re a kid, and you just want to help kids in school, or there’s just something in you that just says a helper spirit, like you feel it that I think, really what all happened was from 1993 to 2001. That eight years was my journey. So my father died of a heart attack when I was 16. And that’s a big experience for a child. And then, you know, a few years later is in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City bombing happened. That’s a hugely traumatic event. They started thinking through Okay, now I want to help I want to give back, how do I help make the world better. And then in the year 2001, that’s working for a startup in 99,000. in debt, making really good amount of money as a 2423 24 year old, I moved out to Los Angeles to create positive television. And then that next year, I became a bone marrow donor and the girl that was a donor for Anka, I tell him all the time, I met President Obama, I met all these celebrities and billionaires. But being a donor, nothing compares. That’s the greatest experience of my life. And so I was her bone marrow, her bone marrow donor, October 3 2001. And then a year and a month later, she passes away. I’m devastated because I’m like this child, I was supposed to give her my at her wedding, I was supposed to see her have kids, like, I written out a story of how the stranger was going to be like my adopted daughter is, you know, she was a stranger, I didn’t know her, like, you know, I sign up to the national marrow donor registry, and mdp.org where people could sign up. And it’s the greatest gift I ever got to be her donor. And then, you know, that really took me on this trajectory where I was like, I have to be, because I think, you know, when you’re 2324, you’re making a lot of money. It’s easy to get caught up in distraction. And I think what happened was, you know, I was in I lucked out, I was in New York on 911, fly back from New York to LA on 911. So having all that sort of tragedy in my life, from 93, to 2002, just kept me on this path, where I didn’t get detour and I didn’t get into drugs and alcohol, like I, you know, I was dating 1000 people, you know, to one committed relationship. It’s like, you know, I think, you know, you meet somebody breakout, you meet somebody new, but I was on this, like, I think, for me, all the tragedy just kept me super hyper focused. And it kept me optimistic, because for sure you feel sadness after tragedy. But it also, what I learned is, after every major tragedy, people step up after 911, after Oakland City Bombing, after my father’s passing after anchors, passing, you see families, community all show up for people. And then my question is still to this day, why don’t we do that all the time? Why does it take tragedy? Right? I’m sure you know, you’ve been in funerals, even lost loved ones. When that happens, we feel like how will Why don’t I connect with these people? Well, this person was going through a tough time, why didn’t I know about it? And I said, Well, how can we be more present one of the best documentaries, I recommend all your listeners to watch, it’s called the bridge. And it’s about how the Golden Gate Bridge is the leading place for suicide in the US. And this was probably 10 years ago, 24 people a year, we would jump off the bridge, and they had cameras set up. And anytime somebody had to jump off, they would send people in to try to stop them. And one guy was jumping, and he ends up surviving, so you get to hear his story. But in that I was like, and one of the people tells the story of like, you know, when he jumped, he did end up jumping in the end. Luckily, surviving that tourists didn’t even realize that he was depressed and suicidal. And it really got me to a place where it’s like, I want to be present with people. If you see somebody crying filter and say, you know, are you okay? Is there anything I can do for you? Can I, you know, get you a coffee. If you see somebody that looks shaken like check on people, they say I think we’re our natural instinct is to be caretakers to check on people. And then people will tell you, I will don’t check on those people that could endanger you. They could be a massive setup to get you killed somehow. I just don’t think that’s, that’s one 1,000,000,000th of 1% of the time those things happen. Just be present for people because when you’re present, that person needed to know so Nobody cared. Like, I remember I was in a train in Los Angeles, there’s a woman who, you know, some guy was bothering or you heard upstairs, she comes downstairs, I’m like, Do you need anything? Are you okay? You know, do you need me to call the police? And she said, Oh, no, somebody else did that. And I was like, Okay, I’m gonna be here near you, if you need me on here. And I thought, Okay, well, those are words, that sounds good. But what if he really comes back downstairs and tries assaulter? What is on here for you really need? Does that mean? I’m going to go fleeing or I’m really going to like be the gap The, the boundary between her this person. And I made sure like, I watched her and I made sure she on the train, she was going a different direction, and I was going, and the guy luckily never came downstairs. But I think if he did, I think once I told her, I’m here for you, I have an obligation to be there. And if he kills her, then he needs to kill me too. Because if I said, I’m gonna be here, I have to be here. And so for me, I feel like, you know, there’s that whole thing of like, Who is your brother? Who is your neighbor? Who’s your sister? Who’s your daughter? Are these people your blood tie to you? Are the people that you regionally now? Or is it every person in humanity? So I think we all determine that for ourselves. And then once you make that determination, I just think you you view people differently, and you view people to view everybody is connected to you, then you realize, both the person hurting, that’s trying to hurt this woman is connected to you, and both this woman that is potentially dangerous connected you. So your job is to be loving, as loving as you can be in those moments. Agreed?

Brandon Handley 1:01:39
I think that the the idea, I mean was, you know, love, love thy neighbor as yourself or something like that, right? I mean, yeah, it and once you kind of understand what that means. And you start to apply that and other places, it takes on a whole different level of kind of compassion, like you’re talking about, like you’re saying, we’re all connected, and how do you how do you show up? Or more in that way? Right? How do you how do you make sure you’re showing up in that way? Alright, quick one for you for so, you know, I’ve come to believe that this is kind of like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Where now like, you know, somebody tune in to like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. And so I’ve got a question for you. That is from our spiritual speed dating, question pool. And it’s going to be what is the greatest quality humans possess?

Prabhat Gautam 1:02:39
Oh, that’s a great question. I mean, I think it’s the greatest quality humans possess is love for those that they have no direct connection or benefit from, I think, when given an opportunity, and people can be of help, and they believe their help, will legitimately help. They will step up. I think we see it every day. We see it all the time. I think they just they just have they have to know that the canal is I think when it’s like, oh, well, there’s homelessness is a problem. How do I help? But it’s everybody’s like, your friend needs a place to crash for a few weeks to get on their feet, like, well, I’m gonna make space for you. Thank you think it’s so that’s what I’d say.

Brandon Handley 1:03:26
I think that’s awesome. Right? And I mean, that’s what you’re doing right? With your with your kind of like, what’s your life? And I think that that’s, I think that that’s really cool. Because there’s, there’s not that many people willing to do that all of the time. And that is something that i think that i think that that’s one of the things that I admire about you and your story, right, you’re always giving and you’re doing it in a way where you don’t expect to return you’re doing it for the love of what it is that you do. And I think that that’s that’s very, you know, it’s it’s really cool to be able to see that provides, where should I send people to come find out more about you.

Prabhat Gautam 1:04:05
So they can get a positive television.org. And they can see all the content that we put out. And then I tell people all the time, I’m not a social media person, so call me, I’m gonna give them my number. Because I’m still old school. I love human to human. So if you’re working on an amazing project, or you just are like, hey, I want to be of service. I want to do this to help people. One of my favorite things to do I tell me all the time, it’s like talking to somebody who has an AI world changing idea, a community changing idea, or personal life changing idea, I’d love to talk to him, then connect them to a redneck come to so I’ll give you my numbers 310-872-0669 that’s 310-872-0669 Feel free to text me or call me and and I always try to be honest with people. It may not be a project that I can help you with or maybe I don’t know the pieces, but if I don’t know that He says, I’m going to try to help you figure out what are the pieces to get you a step further, because I want every single person to be closer to what? They’re, they’re passionate. So if I can get you a step further great, if nothing else, I get to meet another great person in the world. So I’m happy to take that call.

Brandon Handley 1:05:17
Awesome. Thanks so much for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:05:20
Thank you, Brandon. I look i get i want to say I love a spiritual joke is about Everybody, please encourage your friends to, to follow by and share and then also tell people to listen to the episodes that inspire and inspire you guys because if you love an episode, that episode, if it resonates with you, that it’s gonna resonate with your friends. And you know, don’t just send them the Hey, just go check it out, send them to a specific episode that really inspired you because we need to get people on this journey to find you know, their own personal healing so they can help heal the world.

Brandon Handley 1:05:53
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself? Do you feel that you’re capable of way more than you’re doing? You’re doing a lot, but nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set rules for yourself and believe that you can do it.

In this episode, Rick Thompson talks about his book and how he helps people become the best versions of themselves. He discusses the subconscious mind and how important it is to accept things and envision the future.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about bringing the best out of you and setting rules and goals to be glorious. 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways your subconscious mind works and learn it to put it to the best use. 
  2. Discover the importance of setting rules and believing in what you can do.
  3. Learn the significance of goals and envision the best for yourself. 

Episode Highlights

[01:10] Gifts of God

  • You’re given everything. All you have to do is accept.
  • Rick talks about the first half of his book and talks about how our thoughts put imagery in the world and have the energy to co-create.
  • Rick shares his story of being in heaven with a huge box. He continues by talking about how he got where he is today.
  • Rick shares his experience of losing his wife and how he learned to cherish things.

[08:08] Envisioning and Searching

  • He continues to talk about how he dealt with his life’s demise and found a vision and a mission.
  • If you put thought and effort into something, you can achieve it. 
  • The future is what we believe it to be.
  • If you want something special, you have got to believe in it, in such a way that it exists for you.

[14:23] The Subconscious mind 

  • You have got to release and get rid of the negative energy. The things that are made for you will come to you.
  • It’s about flowing with the river but paddling gently in the right direction. 
  • You have to put thought and energy into life when you are contemptuous. 
  • Rick talks about his life after his wife passed away and wanted to find a motive and was looking for contempt. 
  • Someone thought of the world, and it was created because everything is a wave until it is created.

[18:53] Managing and Exploring Life

  • You don’t gotta go to work; you get to go to work. You don’t gotta get up; you get to get up.
  • Rick talks about how everyone is in a different arena and helps them open up to it to gain everything possible.
  • If we help each other become better, the world becomes a better place one step at a time.

[21:24] Imparting Knowledge and Setting Rules

  • Rick talks about his children and grandchildren and how he works on imparting knowledge to them.
  • If you have focused thinking while doing something, you will get good results.
  • You need to have a specific set of achievable rules, bring you happiness, and be realistic. If you are miserable, it’s because your rules don’t align with your life. 
  • Words are compelling.
  • You are what you say you are. 

[28:45] I am

  • When you say “I am,” your subconsciousness knows what it is, and it just connects.
  •  Some things are so well taught that we don’t even realize that we are doing it.
  • Your kids reflect exactly who you are without any filters.

[32:37] Dismantling Logic and Reason

  • You should figure out what makes you feel bad, listen to what other people say, too, review your rules and feel what is true inside you and get it in alignment.
  • Rick talks about how he likes to unfold and his favorite music and its influence on our life.
  • There is always good and bad, but we do have a choice. 
  • Rick talks about his favorite mantra of Ho’oponopono and the story behind it. 

[41:00] The Journey

  • Rick talks about how happy he is with life and feels like he has lived to the fullest, but life goals are always ongoing. 
  • It’s not the trip; it’s the journey.
  • Ricks discusses his book and the calling he had to pen it down. 
  • We all have feelings, and if we listen to them, they guide us in the right direction. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“Pain is a pathway to the divine.”

“What you believe in, as if it has already happened, will be yours.”

“It’s hardest to see your own self.”

“You can’t make everyone happy.”

“If you are not loving yourself, who is going to love you.”

About Rick

Rick is an engineer, businessman, and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is the CEO in the cement and steel industry and is recognized as the leading authority. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, accessing requirements, and solving problems on and off the work field. His latest book helps you tap deep into yourself and discover the quantum realms.

https://www.thequantummindset.com/

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

Transcript machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00
So 54321 Hey, their spiritual dope, man, I always I always say my name and Brandon Handley here. I can’t, I can’t help but say, Hey, it’s me here. I’m back again. I’m here with Rick Thompson, who’s an engineer, businessman and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is a CEO in the cement and steel industry is recognized as the leading authority on post tensioning procedures working with big tech clients such as Microsoft and Google. Rick has been infatuated with science, math and the workings of the world since childhood. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, assessing requirements and resolving problems on and off the word field. His practical approach to business life and science is what makes his recent book very special and adjustable to the average reader. His book, his guide has guided programs and will provide you with tested nuts and bolts methods for entering the quantum mindset and tapping the heightened tools for manifesting your deepest dreams. And, Rick, thanks for being on the show today.

Rick Thompson 1:01
Thanks for having me. It’s always an honor and pleasure to share with others,

Brandon Handley 1:05
our present so I love to start this off with the whole idea that you know, your god man, that, you know, we are we are vessels for the creative energies of flow through the universe, and that you and I are connecting through this medium through this amplification through the podcast, with at least one specific person that’s going to catch a message that can only be delivered through you today. In this instance, true source. What does that messager

Rick Thompson 1:35
well, that you’re given everything and all you have to do is accept?

Unknown Speaker 1:42
Yeah, well,

Brandon Handley 1:42
I mean, let’s expand on that, right? I mean, I mean, I think that’s gonna be a big part of the conversation, where, you know, if I’m out there, and I’m like, Hey, man, I want everything How come was not here?

Rick Thompson 1:55
Well, that’s what the book comes, I go through, you know, the first part of my book really tells the physics behind it, until cell particle doesn’t really become a particle until it’s observed. So through many of the things like, they have this water crystal, that when they put positive energy on it, it turns to beautiful crystals. And when you put negative energy on it, and they have these different tests, even with the plant, they can kind of do these things and measure that reaction. So our thoughts in itself put energy into the world. And we have the power to So speak cocreate, because our energy is creating part of the world in front of us, you know, there’s all these other things that have been created before or by others, but we have the ability with our energy to kind of trade what we want. And to me, I have a story I like to tell, can is, puts this perspective helped me to learn that when you go to heaven with you is a giant golden box. And on that box is your name. And you get up there and you see it and go, Wow, this box is beautiful. And I wonder what’s in it and finding us what’s in this box. And they says, Well, normally we don’t tell people what’s in the box. But you ask, and it’s your box. So they open it up. And in it is all the gifts that God gave you that you did not accept. And so, you know, it’s the truth that like the sunshine shining on your world, given everything, we just have to accept the gifts that he gives us. All of this go around telling us how unworthy we are and how we don’t deserve and when smart enough. And you know, that’s just the negative or whatever power, you want to call it on the other side, kind of drag a spout away from all the beautiful things that life has given us and makes possible for us.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Now love that. So you’ve got you’ve got quite a quite a few things in there. I heard that story heard you tell that story a little earlier. And I really enjoyed the first time I’ve heard it definitely, definitely made me you know, stop and pause and think about what gifts survive, you know, kind of rejected. And then you’ve also got the route that’s the particle particles could be a wave or a particle, right until you observe it. Right? That’s the that’s the physics piece that you’re talking to. And then you’re also talking about Mr. He was a more a motto, right? The Japanese water experiment that was done. And I think that those are all awesome examples, right of physics. And then, you know, also the power of the mind. I think a question that comes to my mind is one of the same ones that I have for myself, like, what were some of the gifts that you were not receiving? That you recognize that that you actually had a gift for? I believe, I believe one of the stories I heard was that you were told that you were slow and that you had a learning disability and that you were a dreamer. But here you are today. You know being being this being this catalyst in the world that you are today. How did you how did you come upon that?

Rick Thompson 4:52
like to say you live life, and it’s for me, it’s like what didn’t happen overnight. But that’s it. Child, you know, my father left me when I was very young, and I never saw him again. You know, my mom had to raise me and she did remarried, and she remarried a great kid guy. And, you know, you can say, that’s the happiest day of, you know, my dad left, he gave me $1. And it made me really happy me and my sister both got a dog because dad can have any piece of candy. We’re very young. And it’s just, you know, it was so much to me as a little kid, that it was really excited. But that’s also the last time I ever saw. So I remembered as a happy moment. But you know, it’s kind of sad, because I never saw him again. So, to me, that’s a gift. I was given a happy moment to remember my father by at the last moment, even though it’s a breakout, and the things he went through and the suffering he had to do, because he wasn’t there, I didn’t have to suffer through I had a very good life. And because I was kind of feel rejected as a child, I think that’s why I got branded kind of the way I did. But as I read and learned and grew, you know, I and I learned to understand what was going around me and realize that I wasn’t. And I started applying those applications in life. Like, when I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to set a track record. And one of the things I did is I just envisioned it and said it. And I actually made bets with everybody the year before, saying that’s what I was going to do. And the next year I did it, and Matter of fact, I did it way above what I had ever expected. And so kind of helped me to find that what you believe in, you can make happen. And I had a very, I had a great life, you know, I was married and had children’s and a nice house. And I wasn’t super rich, but I definitely wasn’t poor. I lived what I would consider a good life. And that life was so good that it’s like what do you do to make a better life, I was happy. I was loved. I lived where I wanted. But 10 years ago, my wife passed away. And when she passed away, it created this terrible pain. And of course, the question is always why God mean. And I dealt with that for a while and started searching the world out. And instead of complaining about what was taken from me, I found that it was more important to cherish what was given. Because my wife taught me how to love and be a really good man and taught me so much. And she was so kind and generous. And I don’t know why things happen. But if I try to explain them, I just go crazy. But I do know, by changing my perspective from meaning me, why am I suffering to the gifts I got and what I can do for others, it allowed me to, you know, rebuild a new line to help others. And I do it in her name, kinda, you know, in her memory and her kindness and loving me, I help others and try to be the best man I can and just grow a little bit each day to be a better man. And those experiences are the kind of gifts that you know, when they happen, you think they’re not a gift, but when you look back at him, and look at both sides, you know, through your entire life, they turn out a gift that really makes you the person you want today.

Brandon Handley 8:24
So that’s, you’ve got your gifts that you were given, right? I mean, you do you go all the way back to the last time you saw your father, you know, I kind of jotted down, you know, this would be a story, right? Where you asked for a penny and you got $1, right, you asked and you receive but like, you know, maximum amount. And how there’s also you can look at that as a happy moment and and a sad moment, right. And then you have the other part that you talked about there was setting the track record and envisioning that what’s kind of funny is a real similar story that and that’s what’s one of my anchor points to to kind of recognizing the achievements I was like, first or second grade, though, and I ended up being like the fastest kid right, but like just kind of coming back and envisioning that like seeing yourself doing it and living it right. And, and then, you know, you’ve also got like this kind of this life that you’re living that you love, and how could it be any better and then and then your wife passes away. And that and that was like the you know, silence me to like, you know her again, listen to another one of your podcasts. I was like, No, she was true love to you. Right? That means a big big part of your life and you are in a you’re in a lot of pain and I love this line. There’s a person I listen to Sarah blonde and and she’s got this. This meditation is called, you know, pain is a gateway to divine and it sounds kind of like it that’s what it that’s what it did for you. It opened up a pathway to the divine for you. Is that what you were searching for? right because you said you kind of went out there searching. You were your why God me And were you searching for like, why are you in pain were you searching for? What was it you were searching for? In that moment? I’m just curious enough.

Rick Thompson 10:10
I was kind of searching is why am I hearing? What should I do? If I’m going to, you know, wrong to hurt yourself? So I can’t do that, because that would be a sin. In my rules anyway. And then, so I say, Well, if I’m gonna be here, then why? And what can I do to make it what you want, but you need what there is for me and the world. And so that’s kind of why I wrote the book, because I wrote some books. So I hope I can get other people to realize that if you put the thought and effort towards what you want, you can achieve it. You know, we’re all given everything to me. And if you put the action and the proper thought towards it, you will be given those things. I know, when I started doing it, after my wife passed away, I believe that will just give me everything. I, you know, work and my brain chemistry. And, you know, when I had that positive attitude, and I really protection for us, and it’s just like, whatever any kind of showed up. So I felt very blessed. Today, I feel extremely blessed. Right, this very building, it’s not like, there is a more, but it’s not like, I don’t have enough you.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Right? I mean, you get to you get to a great point. You know, but again, to so it looks like looks like sounds like what it was like, you know, why am I here? Right? What you’re searching for meaning, you know, I mean to, you know, Man’s Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, right? Like, what are you? You’re searching, right? You know, what, if you’re going to take away the things that the, you know, what was making my life so great, then why am I here and kind of searching for purpose is kind of what I’m hearing. And then you’re talking about, you know, the idea of, you know, kind of thinking and taking action. But what about the effort and effort doesn’t have to be like this extreme effort to have to really try superduper hard and like all my waking hours does that need to be? Is that how we get things? Or how, you know, what is your recommendation in regards to that?

Rick Thompson 12:19
Well, I think it’s more, there’s a conscious mind and its subconscious mind. And the conscious mind thinks, and it can think about stuff, but it takes a ton of energy and your body’s chance to physically try to reduce energy. So it will use everything in the lower levels again, so you, they tell you, like 10% of your brain, you only use 10% in your brain. But the truth is, you’re only using 10% of it consciously, you’re using 90% of it, subconsciously. So what really creates a future for us is what we totally believe. And it kind of says in the Bible, what you believe in as if it’s already happened, will be yours. So that belief is a subconscious belief, not a conscious belief. It’s when you automatically throw the football and it goes through where you want, you didn’t think about it, it just happened. And the same thing goes for things you want in your life. If you want something special, or you you got to believe in it in such a way that it exists for you. You can see it in people that have been successful. It’s like, Man, that guy just goes through life, he doesn’t put any effort into it. And it just all happens for him. That’s the way it needs to work. Because if you believe 1% subconscious, then you’re putting very little energy into it. But if you’re thinking about it and trying to force it, then it doesn’t really come to you. So that’s why people say, I put all this thought and energy into it. But you just can’t pound it in you got to kind of like, be in the wave and float with it. And it’s got to come from a subconscious level not a conscious level.

Brandon Handley 13:56
Yeah, and I’ve definitely seen this show up in my life. And I guess a couple questions I would have would be you know, do you feel like you are doing it? Or do you feel like the creation, the experience is happening through you and for you. And you know, just kind of curious on your take on that.

Rick Thompson 14:18
I feel like it’s happening, too. And for me, it’s just you’re going with the flow. I think that negative energy like bad thoughts are the things that hold you back. And the main thing you got to do is kind of forgive and get rid of the negative energy. And when you can just release and let go and you become part of the the universe the world whatever God however you want to describe it. Then it just flows with it and the things you’re supposed to do and the things that are supposed to happen come to you and you have choice, kind of but you know you’re kind of set for a path you’re given powers and those ones that you enjoy are the ones you set to do your stuff. We are getting There’s a choice between what we want to do. And when you’re choosing the things that you’re best at, you’re the most happiest. So I feel like it’s letting loose and accepting the flow of the river, but paddling gently in the right direction.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So, you know, where do you feel like you first saw this happening for you in your life and began to accept it?

Rick Thompson 15:31
Well, I thought at a younger age and started to accept it, but I saw it the most after my wife died, because I put more mental energy into it. One of the things I found that, you know, can’t contentment, you don’t have to put much thought into life, or energy into life if you’re totally content. And when I was married, with my wife, and my family and kids eyes, I had a good job, I had a happy life I was loved. I was very content. And I didn’t have any need to really find a change. But then when my wife died, I had pain and suffering, and I was not content. And through that, I put a lot of effort. And because I opened my eyes and looked more, I saw things I never saw before.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Yeah, I mean, what what an example of the some of the things that you you saw that you weren’t able to see before?

Unknown Speaker 16:27
Well,

Rick Thompson 16:30
I just went to other people, and I saw people able to do things, you know, I saw people that could, I saw a guy that could look at somebody’s eyes and a picture and tell what they’re thinking, I saw people that spiritually came up to me and talked to me about my wife, and I just traveled around and I read books, I started becoming more thirsty for knowledge, because I wanted to find what it was. So I read books, and I put them together and tried to see how they fit. And then I asked different questions like what makes a man happy and successful. And I looked at those, and when I saw them, you know, I saw the spirit, spiritual world kind of open up, or we’re all connected, we’re all connected. You know, through quantum physics, if you want to think like, somebody thought of the world, and it was created, because everything’s a wave until it’s graded. Well, the person is better the world and everything was God, he thought of it. And then he was all created. And they say, the world is created in seven days. If you stand on the event horizon, and look at the creation of the universe, it would look like seven days standing there at that point. So it is possible from his perspective, that the world was really created in seven days, in our perspective, it’s not from his it could be and I just found things like that. And other people scientist, I, you know, we’re interested in when they search and try to find, you know, what puts together universe they all end up turning to God, say, there’s a creator that created everything.

Brandon Handley 18:12
Right, the I love that perspective of, you know, kind of standing on event horizon and seeing, you know, in seven days, kind of everything being created, that’s a really cool visual.

Unknown Speaker 18:26
It’s pretty cool visual. So

Brandon Handley 18:27
when, you know, so you’re in a steel cement business, right? You know, I don’t hear too many people kind of getting into this, in the steel, cement business, you know, you’re CEO of your business, and you know, how how, you know, encouraging your, your, and you’re out there right to like, what I mean by that is, you’re putting your books out there, you’re talking about this stuff. I mean, so how is this showing up in your business?

Rick Thompson 18:54
I meet several people that work for me, and I try to teach them those ways, and help them to look at the world differently. You know, one of the things I love to tell people each day is you don’t got to go to work and get to go to work, you don’t got to get up, you get to get out. You know, it’s all a matter of perspective, how you look at it, I get to do everything I do all day long. I don’t have to, if I truly didn’t want to I can say I’m not going to do that. But I’m electing to so instead of saying I have to, I like to say I get to and I teach people those kind of things one step at a time and see where they’re at in life and try to help them because everybody’s in a different arena and try to open up the world to them. So they’ll know that anything for them they want as possible.

Brandon Handley 19:40
Have you had Have you had people you know and underneath kind of like your tutelage at the company, who’ve really been able to take to this and shine and really apply it.

Rick Thompson 19:55
Well, I don’t have a very big company, but I think they all take to it and shine with it a little bit. That’s what I like to believe in my heart. You know, I always say it’s hard to see your own cell. But what I see is people are taking it in their life to become better. I’ve had several people say that it has changed their life. So I’m very grateful I, like I said, you know, we help each other become better, and the world becomes a better place one step at a time. I’m not looking for any glory or anything, but I’d sure like to see the world become a better place each day, just like I’d like to grow a bit each day. And by helping others having a better attitude, you make the world better, and they help others and so on, and so on, and so on. And

Brandon Handley 20:35
that’s great deed and your, your, your children to write How many children do you have?

Rick Thompson 20:41
I have? Well, I’m remarried. So I have to buy my first wife, and three by my second wife. So we have five children and four grandchildren. And my daughter has two and she has two. So I have my children.

Brandon Handley 21:00
Uh, thanks for not making me do the math, uh, the the, you know, so the idea of really is as a parent, right now, as a grandparent, how are you trying to impart this to your children in such a way that I can tell you right, when I first kind of had some of these moments, and first had some realizations, I’m, you know, trying to stop it, and my, you know, my kids are kind of young, but like, just making sure that they’re exposed to it. So that, to your point, right, that you don’t have to wait till later in life. To learn this stuff, right? The sooner that you learn it, the sooner you can apply it, and hopefully, you know, how you don’t have to suffer through some of the shenanigans? I did. Right? Or, you know, that’s what we’d like to impart. Right? So have you know, what’s it like sharing it with your children? And what are they? What are they?

Unknown Speaker 21:51
What are they doing with it? Well,

Rick Thompson 21:53
they’re very grateful, they’re good to me, I love my children, they love me back, I feel very grateful. They’re using it to help their lifes grow, and envision what they wanted a life and have a great family and, you know, see what they would like to receive. The grandkids are at a young age, the way I work with them is I just spend time with them, I spend as much time with them as I can. And when I see the opportunity to teach them something and they’re listening, then I try to grab hold of that opportunity. I don’t go up and try to force them to go like, this is what you need to do. I wait for the challenges in life to come along. And then I make suggestions to them. Like, you could look at it this way or that way you have a choice, and try and teach them that they have a choice, because the truth is they do learn the most, and set the most rules from the age of one to seven. So we have an opportunity to really teach them very positive thinking processes at a younger age. And that’s what I try to do is make sure they’re not putting themselves down and saying they can’t. One of the things is, you know, I have a grandson that’s playing football right now. And, you know, we want to make sure to teach him that he’s doing a good job. And he’s not putting himself down for anything he does, you know, the thing you need to look at, did you put the effort and then you did great doesn’t matter. You know, you did great if you put action towards it and proper thought. And the other thing I try to teach him is a lot of it can be thought because if you’re thinking correctly, when you’re doing stuff, you’re gonna get a better results. So what are you thinking about why you’re trying to accomplish your task. And these are the ways I go about it with stories, because I always say stories like the golden box, or other stories, our best way to impress people with different ideas. But the bottom line is I just want to have a happy life. And it’s their choice, what they really decide. I just want to help guide them in the direction that will help them the most.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 24:05
and it’s tough, right? Especially again, as a parent, and you just want them to take this stuff in and you just want to it’s like if we could just like stick a USB, and stick into our head or something and be like, hey, you’re going to need this later at some point, right? That’d be for, you know, skip over these chapters. You’re not going to need these. But if we could do that, that’d be that’d be a lot of fun. You know, what would you mean, though, you said, you know, kind of proper thought and thinking correctly? What do you what do you say? And then when you say that,

Rick Thompson 24:36
well, everybody has different rules. So you want to have good rules. You don’t want to have rules that say, you know, I’m not smart, or I’m not able to be happy. Or maybe some of the rules I see that hurt people is like, my job is to make everybody happy. Well, that’s an impossible goal. You can’t make everyone happy. So you If you make your rules too complex in life, you’re gonna fry pain and suffering about it. What you want to do is have rules like, you know, no matter who you are, I’m going to give you a smile, or I’m going to treat you with respect, I have control of that. So if my rules are like that, then I can control the world around me to a degree, people might be unhappy, or they might be sad, but it’s not going to be my fault, because I didn’t achieve it. So you just got to be careful with your rules in life and what you kind of set in on yourself, so that they’re achievable. And they’re realistic, and they’re beneficial to you. Because most of the things that getting away are going to be our rules that we have about how life should be, you know, if you’re miserable, is because your rules don’t align with your life. And you can change them, if you want. That’s the one thing we have control over. You can’t change people, but you can definitely change your rules.

Brandon Handley 25:55
So that’s great. How do I align those two?

Rick Thompson 25:59
Well, you, it’s gonna be a little bit different for everybody, because we live different lives, and we’re all different. But what you want to do is kind of feel in your heart and your soul what feels right. And when you have bad feelings. You want to say, Well, what caused? What caused me to feel icky about this or bad about that, because we all have those feelings. And then you check your rules out and say, okay, what’s not in alignment that’s making me feel that way? And what would I need to do to make that a good rule that it’d be enlightenment and would make me happy. And you review those rules, and then you would repeat them, like, whatever the new rule might be, just before you go to bed, or when you wake up, it just depends upon each person’s individual, and what they really want out of life. And how they even define words. Because the words may mean something to somebody else when they say him than they do to you. But the I am words, I am this I am that are very powerful. If I am a good man, you will go out of your way to be a good man. That’s what you say and believe. If you say I’m a bad man, you’ll go out of your way to prove to people that’s true, too. So those roles that we make for ourselves are very important to be in line with the happiness and the joy we want in life.

Brandon Handley 27:18
Yeah, see, I can definitely relate to you know, you are what you say you are, right. I mean, you really are fine. If I look back, and oh, man, oh, Jeff, those misspent youth, right? If I look back at those misfit years, when when I was like, Oh, I’m this I am that and and you know, just kind of, and doing it unconsciously and becoming exactly what I said that I was at those points in time. And it’s just unbelievable how, when you start making that choice consciously when you start saying who you are to yourself, and looking for evidence of that, right? I found that to be kind of the one of the pieces that is key here is to state who I am today, right? Who am I today? And that’s like, whoever I want to be even in the future. I already am that right? So what are the pieces that or in the future necessary for that whole thing that I have right now to begin to build on that? I found that to be super, super potent for me. But one of the you got a couple things in here too. First, you know why? Why is I am? Like so powerful? Like just saying I am Dude, what would you say there?

Rick Thompson 28:43
That’s a good question. I’m not exactly sure why I am I just know through research that I am. Because your brain is your subconscious is really one liners. So I think part of it is because it’s just a simple one line I am. So your subconscious knows what I am is and then it just connects. And it doesn’t have to have logic or reason to connect. It just connects. So the I am statements or this is true statements, or how our subconscious is stacked. And then we use those bits of information to think with. So our conscious mind least allows us to analyze and lose us a lot of energy to decide what’s good or bad, or change however we need to. But our subconscious mind is kind of like this deck of cards that’s already pre stacked. And if you get that situation, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s it knows these rules, and it’s going to give you those answers as quickly as possible. Because to jump out of the way of a car. It’s like you don’t want to think about it. You just do it. And a lot of things in life are just like that. You don’t really think about it, you do it and even some things are so well taught to us that we don’t even realize we’re doing when they happen you know you can be talking to somebody and get that funny look on your face or you say this Word, and it kind of offends them a little bit, but you didn’t even know you’re doing that you just do it. So when you get those hard feelings if you analyze them and kind of see what’s going on, it helps you to adjust. I have a story about my daughter that kind of puts that in perspective is when she was very little. I was an ironworker. You know, iron workers are tougher than iron. At work, and I would take that home. And because I was loud and forceful, she said, Dad, you kind of scare me when you know. And she told me one time, and I said, Okay, and she told me, I never talked to our studio like that again. But I didn’t know I was, it was just a habit, I brought home from work. I think a lot of us bring home habits from work and other things. You know, they kind of accomplish what you need at work, but they don’t accomplish what you need out of life.

Brandon Handley 30:52
Yeah, that’s powerful. That’s one of the things that I found to be the gift of having a child, right. Like, they always say that children are a blessing and a gift. And when you’re changing diapers, you like that, you know, like how they are. And like, you know, you want a good night’s sleep. And yeah, there’s realize that here, but I found that they are just amazing at reflecting who you are right back to you without a filter without that without that world filter that says oh, you can’t say that, right? Oh, you can’t say that to a person. Right? That kind of thing. So I, I love I love the children for that. And and how they

Rick Thompson 31:35
write they shine. You’re right. But I love it too. They say exactly what you think,

Brandon Handley 31:40
you know, sometimes it’s not so great or

Rick Thompson 31:41
chubby pop up.

Unknown Speaker 31:46
And, and, and,

Brandon Handley 31:47
and and they you know, they they will say what you say right? They’ll talk how you talk and you’ll hear them talk like you talking like oh my god, I sound like a jerk. Right? Or like, Oh, that’s rough. I live really that rough. Because you know, you have that kind of influence on them. Especially like you said, that age like one through seven super impressionable. That’s also, like you said that the kind of the age where you build some logic and reason. So what what is, I mean, we’ve got some of these logic and reason codes that had been imprinted. Like through that age one through seven. And then I don’t know, we go through like 2020 plus years, maybe 30, maybe 40. If you’re a late bloomer like myself, when you when you finally realize that, hey, you’ve, you’ve got all this logic and reason that you built up over the years, how do you how do you begin to, like, dismantle that.

Rick Thompson 32:42
Or you’d like to say you want to see the things that make you feel bad, and listen to what other people say to and you want to review your rules, because it’s a basically gets down to what did your subconscious really believe, you know, you can tell like, I’m going to be a millionaire. And your subconscious will tell you kind of like now. Now you’re not ready yet. So you can feel inside what’s really true, you know, and when, and when you get those in alignment, those feelings, you know, I’m going to do this or that and it feels right, then you’re getting the right belief behind you, and you just reinforced those, as we get older, I think it’s harder to change in, you know, that’s why as a child, it’s a gift to kind of help them teach so much because it does stay with them very easily through all their life. As we get older, we kind of reinforce it with you know, talking to herself, or, you know, I like to use music that sings good songs to you, that tells you the kind of stuff you’re trying to think correctly. I pick out certain songs in the morning to listen to that will help you get started that just kind of put that thought into you, or you can use mantras, but the hard part is to sit down and say what are my rules? And do they serve me and the people around me? And if they do then they’re good and if they don’t then we’ll Why don’t you adjust them a little bit?

Unknown Speaker 34:04
The

Brandon Handley 34:08
good music? What do you know? Are you willing to share kind of what your your your morning wake up routine music is I mean, what gets you going?

Rick Thompson 34:17
Well, I’m not really good with all the names but I have you know, I like pop and I like different music. I have a handful that ranges from you know, classic rock, country music, and I just look for things that say positive stuff. Like there you know the song This is going to be the best day of my life.

Brandon Handley 34:37
Yeah, it’s a great song. I liked it. That’s

Rick Thompson 34:39
a good song. I like that song because this is going to be the I think I like to wish people I hope this is the best day ever had and I hope tomorrow is the best they have every day because every day is the best day from here on in Godrej. Like,

Brandon Handley 34:51
right, right. Hey, listen, I mean, so for years, a couple years they’re not mine is COVID I go to jujitsu To write and and when new barriers How you doing? Do you have when you’re getting ready to spar and like how are you doing? Like, best day in my life everything is call me to this moment, right? Like, I mean, this is the right now is the best moment of my life. It’s all it’s all built up to this moment. So any other good songs that you like? I mean, I know that for me, I literally just answered this question the other day, you know, KC, and the sunshine berry walking on sunshine, right? Yeah, that’s the song that’s like, I mean, we, when you hear that song, you gotta you have no choice. You got to, you got to smile, you got to be walking on sunshine, anything else you got,

Rick Thompson 35:35
I got a ton of them. But I don’t want to offend anybody. But you know, when I die, and I’m gonna go to the place, that’s the best.

Brandon Handley 35:41
Yeah, that’s a

Rick Thompson 35:43
champion. And, you know, I have a loved ones that I like, just, you know, what loves about and different things like that. I mean, I’d be interested from the audience, because I’m always looking for new songs, what they think are the best songs because I really think that starting your day, like that, or listen to that kind of stuff really makes an impact on your subconscious way of things. And so many songs have, you know, negative impact on them and stuff. Same as movies, so many movies can have, you know, very negative implications to them. So I’m looking for stuff to put that positive in positive thinking into your brain, so I can get that positive thinking out of my brain.

Brandon Handley 36:27
So it’s funny you say that because remember al gore Al Gore, Al Gore and tipper Gore, was it remember, they were trying to get like some of that, you know, all that, you know, not bad. I wouldn’t call it bad music. But now I wouldn’t listen to it. Right. Some of the some of the stuff that I listened to when I was younger, because of, of just how influential that is on our minds. Do you remember that? Like I do, I

Rick Thompson 36:49
don’t have to say about that. Because you know, they. There’s good and bad in everything. It doesn’t matter what it is? Yeah, you know, you have a choice. If you choose in those kinds of things, there must be a reason I don’t judge because I haven’t lived your life. But that’s going to get back to what are your rules? To your rules say that you have to fight everybody that comes along? Or can you negotiate it? And yeah, like I said, I have not lived the life of the people and how they make the decisions, or why they like stuff. I just know, for me, that’s what I prefer to have happy life. And that’s what I would recommend others. But some of those tunes that are got some weird lyrics, and let’s just say they got catchy tunes.

Brandon Handley 37:41
Hey, listen, don’t don’t get me wrong. Like, there’s still gonna be days when I still play some songs and stuff, right? And and it’s interesting, because I don’t listen to music quite as quite as much as I used to. And what will happen though, is that those lyrics will pop up in my head, like the next day or a few days later, I’m like, oh, wow, I you know, I haven’t seen that in forever. But then I can also recall, just the last time I heard it, and just I’m so cognizant of what goes in now. And seeing it show up later, right, like literally planting that seed in my mind, and it shows up somewhere else later. And I think that’s the kind of kind of what we’re hearing to for you. I think another one I like to Rick is I can see clearly now. Right? That’s a good one. I like that one. What about like, a couple mantras? Do you have the what’s what’s one or two matches that you find yourself using to help you stay positive,

Rick Thompson 38:41
I like to use Have you heard of Ono Pono.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I’ve heard of it, I have not delved deeply into it and want to tell us a little bit about what that is.

Rick Thompson 38:48
So Ono, Pono is a like a Hawaiian chant. And there was this guy that went to a prison. And he was hired as the lead, you know, the director of the prison. And when he went there, it was a terrible place. And people were fighting and having all this trouble. And all he did in that prison was to take the people’s pictures, and he would do this pair of them. I love you. Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you. And he would do that in there. Because he felt like, you know, they he needed saving. By saving himself by asking for forgiveness, he’s saving them and eventually that prison, you know, it got better and better until they actually shut it down. And so those are that’s one of the things I like to do. You know, I think about all the little things I did wrong during the day or the things I said to people, and I’ll pick those people out, and I’ll do that at night. Or maybe right after I just did it wrong. And I just send that out now. I just think it makes a big difference. You know, it’s a simple jet, but I love you Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 39:53
Yeah, that’s, that’s, uh, I love that. You know, I love that. I love that story. And it’s first I’ve heard it It reminds me to of, you know, the meta meditations, right the loving kindness kind of real similar, right we send you know, no love and kindness out to somebody other people, some some that you’re having some that you’re on bad terms with some people that you don’t know at all or whatever right now close ones and yourself, right? I think that that’s always important is to, to make sure that you’re giving yourself a little little love. I mean, love yourself first too, right? I don’t know about you. But if you’re not loving yourself, then who’s gonna love you? Right? Right?

Rick Thompson 40:33
I agree. It’s kind of like the oxygen mask. I don’t put them oxygen mask, or I don’t take care of myself, how can I help anybody else? I need to take care of myself enough. So I’m strong to contribute to you.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Know, and you so you, you felt like, you know, again, you kind of fell into this stuff? Have you applied it in your business? Has your business? Do you feel like your business has been exponentially more successful? Or do you just feel more successful as a person in general, because of all that you’re doing in the way you’re employing it? Or is it both?

Rick Thompson 41:06
Both? I feel like my life is way better. I’m happy. I feel like I live. I’m grateful every day I lived a blessed life. I feel so blessed. I’d love to have everything I need. It’s a great life. And my business does well, and I help others. And I mean, it’s not the trip, it’s the journey. So the goals are always more the goals are the opportunities to go forward. I have goals to do all kinds of things in the future. Just because I want to contribute and make the most of my life. It’s not like I need more. I have everything I need today and more. It’s just fun to travel the road.

Brandon Handley 41:47
But what would you say the importance of recognizing that distinction, that you just said that they’re you know, you’ll want more? But you’ve got everything that Jordan need right now? How does that change? Kind of the effort, stress levels, etc?

Rick Thompson 42:07
Well, I think it’s, again, your rules, I think the stress level goes way down. If you can believe those things totally. Can I don’t need more, I don’t have to have this, I’m not suffering, you know, I’m not worried about this or that or that. Those things go away. And I forgive those that make mistakes and don’t hold grudges, and I get rid of that negative engine energy I feel and you write on that energy wave or that love wave, whatever you want to call it. Right? Everybody calls it different. But it’s existed for millions of years, because they talked about it. For me. The physics is different today than it was at the beginning of time. Right? We just call it different stuff and look at it from a different perspective. Right? The physics are all still the same?

Brandon Handley 42:50
No, I mean, you know, to your point earlier, I think a little bit on Nope, we talked about it while we’re here. So much, but everything, you know, God’s created everything right, you know, everything has already been created. It’s really just our awareness of it. Right. And maybe, I don’t know coalescing it through our thoughts and being able to see it, right. I mean, something along those lines, the so what made you What made you decide that, you know, you should be putting out a book. And now, as it relates to this material, why you Why now?

Rick Thompson 43:27
Well, it’s just the way life went. And, you know, you kind of the calling, there’s just something that says, hey, you should do this, you know, I thought I’d never be able to write a book. My history is not a writer, you know, I love science and stuff. But when it comes to the English language, those kind of things, I’m not top notch, I have a lot to learn. But someone came to me and said, Hey, you should write a book. And then I started thinking about what I learned. And I love the subject of science and how energy comes together and how it can help your life. And it helped my life so much. I just had that calling that how do you help somebody? I don’t know for sure what I’m supposed to do to help others. But when you get that feeling in your heart, like you should do something. I tried to do it, and I got that feeling in my heart. I should do that. So I did it.

Brandon Handley 44:14
Nice. My sounds like I mean, it sounds like to your I always get some backlash when I say, you know, following your bliss, but I mean, when you follow, I guess you’re kind of heart hearts guidance is what I guess we could call it. Are you following the guidance of your heart? And that leads to something good? Is that kind of what you’re saying here?

Rick Thompson 44:36
Yeah, I believe that. You know, we all have feelings. We all have feelings. And if you listen to them, they’ll guide you in the right path. When you go into a room you can tell rooms negative or positive. You can tell so many things in life, we don’t realize. It’s like the water crystals. You can prove that your energy does it but there’s energy there. You can when we They do statistics on good and bad things happening when they have prayer, they have perceptions. And statistically, they can prove that when they have those set prayer sessions, the bad events go down. So our energy out there that we have, connect with everybody is available. So what do you do to make that work the best for everybody?

Brandon Handley 45:22
That’s awesome. So where the title of the book again? Where can people kind of go to find it? And where should they connect with you?

Rick Thompson 45:32
The title of the book is the quantum mindset in a nutshell, and I have a webpage, that’s the Quantum mindset.com. You can go there and connect with me there. And if you look up the book and stuff, it’ll connect you to me. And through that website, that’s the best way you want to email, ask questions. If there’s something I can do to help you just let me know. I’d love to help. Awesome and who

Brandon Handley 45:55
would you say like your, your ideal reader, I guess if you know, if we were, if we were talking marketing terms, that avatar or even your niche, like, who’s gonna be picking this book up? Do you think Who’s this talking to?

Rick Thompson 46:11
I think it’s people that are trying to understand life and maybe are looking for a change and not clear whether they can really make that effect on their life. This book gives you a lot of solid facts about why this is possible physically. And if you’re looking for that kind of supporting information, but I think anybody who’s looking for to change their life with positive energy, this book is a good place to start.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Recommend I just want to say thanks for I know you’re a busy man. So I want to say thanks for stopping by spiritual dope and hanging out sharing some of your story, your insights, and you know, hopefully somebody out there is no totally influenced by our conversation today. So thank you.

Rick Thompson 46:53
Well, I hope it helps people and that’s why I’m here to help you and I’m very grateful for you having me here today. And hope you have a wonderful day, your week. Bye.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever thought that something is missing in your life? Do you feel that you’re not quite alive with what you’re doing? You’re not alone, but it can certainly feel like you are. People like living and showing things they’re proud of and hiding away their shame, hurt, and frustrations. Choose the brighter and positive things to be happy, right?

But, here’s the hard truth: you need to accept everything about yourself, even the parts that you despise.

In this episode, we are joined by Deb Levine to talk about her journey into mediumship. She shares that when people are faced with messages from the Spirit World, they can discover their true, authentic selves. Deb also shares the importance of finding and reconnecting with your higher self.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about mediumship and how to live your authentic self!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways mediums work and how they can help people discover their truths.
  2. Discover the importance of trusting yourself and living authentically.
  3. Learn how we’re all connected and how you can be a source of good to others.

Resources

Episode Highlights

[02:19] Learn to Trust Yourself

  • Trust your soul because you won’t be able to get guidance and answers from anything external. 
  • Deb shares that her journey of self-trust is still ongoing. It’s a long journey and a process of continuous discovery. 
  • There are traits that we are proud of and some we are ashamed of. We need to learn to embrace our duality to become our true, authentic selves. 
  • Remember, you may be the problem, but you are also the solution.

[07:08] Deb’s Work as a Medium

  • Every medium works with energy, but mediums don’t work in the same way. 
  • Some mediums will be very factual, while some work intuitively. 
  • Deb shares that her work is more intuitive and helps people dig deep into their subconscious. 
  • Deb emphasizes that she does not heal people; she just guides them. 
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the intricacies of Deb’s Mediumship. 

[15:33] The Shift to Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her method is rooted in how she dealt with her anxiety and stress.
  • Before mediumship, Deb used to be in advertising and public relations. However, she jumped from job to job because nothing stuck with her. 
  • All she knew is that she wanted to help others, and her strength was relating to people. 
  • If you’re feeling a bit lost in life, be inspired by Deb’s journey to finding her true calling in the entire episode. 

[22:10] Managing Emotions and Energy

  • Deb shares that when she was younger, she felt many emotions and seemed to absorb energy from others. 
  • Eventually, this manifested as anxiety and ADHD in her life. 
  • Deb needed to learn how to grab hold of her energy and redirect it. 
  • Wanting to silence the noise and energy, Deb used to look for external sources like food and sweets. 
  • Tune in to the full episode to listen to Deb’s experiences and how she eventually learned to manage her energy. 

[38:17] Live Your Authentic Truth

  • For Deb, mediumship is a way of living her authentic truth. 
  • You don’t have to be something to be enough. You just need to live your highest self. 
  • Living your authentic truth may sound cliche, but you need to understand this on a deeper level. 
  • You also can’t help someone else be their authentic self. Their truth is theirs alone.

[42.49] Insights Into Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her job is not to impose anything on anyone. Her work is about being where her client is. 
  • Mediumship is not about the medium but the connection to the client. 
  • Deb can help people discover their truths by using the knowledge of the Spirit World. 
  • The experience is all about healing and hope. It’s not dark or fearful.  
  • We all have a connection to our higher selves; we just need to ignite it. 

[47:08] Be a Ripple of Goodness

  • Understand that we don’t live in isolation; we are all connected. 
  • People have their unique gifts, and that does not make them better than anyone else. 
  • Use your greatest gift to live authentically and passionately. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“The most important thing when I say to trust yourself, it’s really to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external.”

“The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self-development journey. It’s always changing.”

”Mediumship is not spirit communication or just intuitive mediumship; [it] is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life.”

“A mediumship session is not just spirit communication, but it can be. The medium has no control over the Spirit World, [which] knows what my client needs. It’s only going to be hopeful, helpful, or healing; there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful.”

“We’re all extensions of one another.  We really can support one another and be each other’s cheerleaders. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry is calling, there’s not one more special than the other.”

About Deb

Deb Levine is a medium and intuitive who connects with loved ones who have passed. Through her gift, she brings hopeful, helpful, and healing messages from the Spirit World to the physical world. She offers mediumship sessions through her website. This can include communicating with loved ones in Spirit or helping you gain insight on your past or current issues. 

Before her mediumship, Deb used to feel aimless jumping from job to job. Her previous works were not fulfilling, especially since she knew what she wanted to do: help people. Throughout adulthood, her gifts continued to unfold and appear in her life until she had no choice but to accept them.

You can reach out to Deb on Instagram, Facebook, or through email.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. We are on today with my friend, Deb Razar. And Deb, I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this, but um, you’re one of the main reasons actually, that I am doing this podcast, you were a kind of a catalyst for, you know, help me get the leap into spiritual dope, I’m just gonna let you know that just by doing kind of what you did, I said, that was a friend of mags from way back in the day, like childhood days, she’s an evidential, medium, and intuitive. She, you know, she helps people kind of like, connect with their loved ones who have passed. And I’m just kind of reading your bio off right now. And you know, you know, your calling is to serve the spirit world while bringing hopeful, helpful and healing messages. To me, you, your loved ones in the physical world. No, but your medium, right. And like it took you a while to just kind of accept your gifts. Right? And, you know, when you would share this coming out letter magazine, or virtually coming out letter, what’s this going to be about?

Deb Levine 1:09
Well, she told me what she thought it was about.

Unknown Speaker 1:11
Now, it’s not that

Deb Levine 1:13
there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s not bad,

Brandon Handley 1:15
per se. So this coming out letter was like, you know, I’m a medium coming out letter. And I thought that was a I thought that was kind of an entertaining thing. And then you had given me a reading that connected me with my grandfather. And, you know, the catalyst, just just so you know. He knows like, Yeah, I was like, well, you’re kind of like stepping out and doing this thing. And I was like, What the hell am I holding myself back for? Right? I was like, I was like, the time is now. And, you know, just kind of stepping into it. So you know, I want a quick, I’m gonna start this off with a thank you, you know, for helping be the catalyst inspiration and a part of the journey. So thank you,

Deb Razar 1:51
You’re quite welcome. Happy I could be a part of that.

Brandon Handley 1:54
And, and then I always start us off with something, this would be an easy one for you. I always start these off with, you know, source, as you know, divine energy speaks through us, right. And we are here to get today to speak to somebody who’s listening in on this podcast, right? And there’s a there’s a message that can only be delivered right now, through you to that person, what is that message today?

Deb Razar 2:19
The biggest, the first thing that comes to me is to really trust in yourself. If you don’t, first and foremost trust in yourself, especially in the field that I hate saying the field that I’m in, but with what I do, it’s impossible for me to trust in what I’m, you know, hearing subjectively, from the spirit world. And the most important thing, when I say to trust yourself, it’s to really, you know, they say there’s intuition, gut instinct, but it’s really to trust your soul to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external. It’s not going to come from anybody else, you can ask for 50 opinions from 50 friends and family members. And really, ultimately, what matters is that you trust what your soul is telling you. That’s probably my biggest message.

Brandon Handley 3:06
So where do you feel like you You? First, finally learned to trust that for yourself?

Deb Levine 3:14
Well, it was definitely not an overnight thing, as I’m sure you know, because I know that you’ve done a lot of, I call it self development work. And I think we’re all works in progress. And I’m not done, I’ll never be done. I mean, until the day I physically leave this earth. But this was a long journey. For me, really, I say, on my website, sort of back to myself. Because the way I’m living now is very true to me, and very authentically, but it wasn’t always like that. So I think it was a process of really coming. I don’t I would say, coming to terms with but understanding that there’s a real duality to me to each of us. And there’s, you know, there are a lot of things that we don’t particularly care about ourselves, we, you know, traits that, Oh, I wish I wasn’t so stubborn, or I wish I wasn’t so, so messy in my case. And there were these qualities that I have that I would really shame myself for a variety of things you would a podcast isn’t long enough for me to tell you what I used to shame myself for. And then they’re there. The other part of that duality are the things that I’m proud of the parts of my personality that that I really feel good about that the things that I’m not afraid for others to see. I feel like a lot of us walk around and, and we show one side of us, we show the side that we think is safe, because we all just want to be seen. But yet if you think about it, we’re not truly being seen if we don’t really show who we are at the soul level, so I can show you something and make myself look good. And yeah, look at my kids. They’re all perfectly dressed. And my house is so neat, which it’s not this is just an example, but that may be what I’m presenting, but that may not be what is authentically me. And that was my that was my journey. If you will, that I needed to reconcile the fact that there were all these things that I really wasn’t happy with with myself. And instead of complaining about it, and or shaming myself about it, I realized I was the problem, but I was also the solution. And so in order to do something about it, I had to take that journey inward, which no one likes to do, because it is quite honestly the most uncomfortable journey ever. And that’s the journey back into ourselves. And it sounds super cheesy, but it’s, it’s really the truth, I had to come back to myself. And sort of, it’s almost like, if you picture like a big toy box, you open a toy box, and you kind of take everything out, you want to see what’s in there, I had to kind of assess and look at everything and say, Okay, these are the things that really aren’t working for me, or these are the things that, you know, they’re just sort of inherently a part of my nature. And I’m not in love with him. And I don’t love other people seeing them. But it was a matter of really accepting those things about myself forgiving myself for the things that the things that I wasn’t super jazzed about, but also realizing that all of those things that were more, I call them the shadow side. They were also there to teach me a lot of great lessons. And without them, you know, I wouldn’t really be able to focus on the light those qualities that were really helping me be my best self, they have to coexist, they can’t be mutually exclusive, because that is what makes up is my perspective only but that’s what makes up the soul. Both of those the balance that duality. And so that was my,

Brandon Handley 6:38
yeah, I’m with you. Right, the so I’ve got that jotted down for one second. You know what, I think that I don’t do the best job of this part. Right? Let’s let’s do let’s do a real quick from your from your mouth, right? Like you’re doing a medium, you are medium. Now, I’m a little bit more about kind of what you’re doing in this space, right, just so people kind of get an idea of your spiritual journey and spot right now.

Deb Levine 7:08
Well, thank you for asking that. Because I think a lot of people and as you said, I’m a medium I I’m able to connect with people that have passed, is that the only thing I do not remotely, in fact, it’s a very tiny part of what my mediumship is. Now, if you have 10 different mediums on your podcast, we are not all going to work the same way. Now what we what we all will work with is energy, every medium will tell you that. However, there are mediums that will be very, very factual, they’ll be able to sit and I’ll be able to tell you things about your grandfather, they’ll name 30 facts, you know, he was an atheist, and he you know, worked in a in a shipyard and all these things and, and that is to prove that that life exists once the there is the death of the physical body. So am I able to provide evidence that our loved ones still exist? past the death of the physical body? Yes, I am. But what my sessions are really about I had one client tell me it was almost like I held a mirror to her soul. I was like, Wow, that’s really deep. I almost call it like a very gentle soul excavation, if you will. Because what I’m doing is I work intuitively, if as much if not more, so then I’m working with spirit loved ones. And this has probably changed a lot. And I don’t I can’t remember our reading to be quite honest. But I feel like there may have been a mix, but now it’s even more. So when I’m reading a client intuitively, I’m telling them about their personality and things about their life. Yeah, you could say well, why would someone want to pay to be told things they already know about themselves. But that’s just how we start then we go deeper. And and I like to say I am not a fortune teller. I do not predict anyone’s future. That’s not what any medium really should be doing ethically and morally, we don’t know what holds for people’s future because there is freewill. You have the choice to make about your own life. But what I am able to do is to go deeper beneath your subconscious and sort of when I say excavate, gently pull out things that you are aware of, on some level, but on a deeper soul level when I’m showing them to you when I’m holding up that mirror. It’s taken in a much different way. I’m almost I’m I feel like a session with me can help bring someone back to themselves. I’m not doing any healing. I’m not healing people. I’m not you know, waving some kind of crystal wand. That’s that’s not my job. That’s not what I do. But with the spirit world facilitating with loved ones in spirit shining in now I talk about the loved ones personalities and the relationship between them and my client. And the healing that can take place when dad in spirit is talking about his personality and maybe challenges that he had when he was alive in the physical world. And dad son is facing something similar. It’s almost like this light bulb goes off that the messages that the loved ones in spirit are bringing to my client are those in that moment that are meant for my clients greatest good and soul’s highest purpose. And there’s a lot of growth and a lot of shift that can happen. It’s also I have on my website, I will not see clients unless there’s been six months in between each reading. Because look just like when you go to therapy, you’re not going to change overnight. I’m not a therapist, I’m not certified in any of that kind of thing. But even with a with a with a session with a medium like myself, what I’m presenting you is going to sit with you for a bit, and it’s going to cause you to sort of, you know, there’s a lot of self reflection that happens afterwards, there’s a lot of there is a lot of healing that can take place. But the healing is on the part of my client, I can’t do that work for someone. And maybe the client says, alright, well, that was okay. I’ll just take that for what it’s worth. And, and I may never hear from them again, I tend to have a lot of repeat clients. After six months, I always say six months to a year. And I just had I can think of three women I’ve had over the past week and a half. When they came on the screen on the zoom screen there, I could feel their energy had changed so much, it’s the best feeling for what I do, because I get so excited for them. Just the wholeness that I felt from them the shift, what they were emanating, I could feel that. And that’s the power of the work that that I have been called to do. And that I feel so grateful to do because the change that really can occur, it’s almost like I was given this blessing of having this torch, and we all have torches, right but some of us our lights gone dim a little bit, some of us the lights gone out, if I can just assist and help someone like their torch, it’s their job to keep that torch going, it’s not going to be my job. But the fact that I can help light someone back up again, there’s nothing greater to be able to offer to people. So that’s kind of in a long way. That’s kind of what I do at spirit communication. It’s intuitive work, it’s all combined to help my client get to a deeper part of themselves. Really.

Brandon Handley 12:10
Wow, that’s awesome, right? It’s kind of interesting, right? You said you started off with you know, how every medium is a little bit different. And in the image that came to my mind is you know, you just simply different lenses, right, simply different lenses, different perspectives different, you know, I’m thinking of like crystals and prisms even like different ways of refracting that energy. Right? So different way different ways of kind of refracting that love to the, you know, a mirror to the soul. And I think that that’s, you know, I don’t I don’t the term lightworkers not not my jam, but I guess this as close as I can get right.

Deb Razar 12:46
I don’t use the term either. But I yeah,

Brandon Handley 12:48
does that mean you know when you’re just kind of in circles and everybody’s you know, doing something similar as we are we’re you know, you are showing someone the light within them right themselves and helping to extract that and

Deb Levine 13:01
everybody has it. And I believe me, I know from experience, there are times when it is so hard to find that within yourself I have the reason I this all came smack dab in my face there were there were always I mean, this is who I’ve been since I’ve been a little kid. But the reason that this came out, as it did was because of the the difficulties that I had in the work I was doing with myself that there were serious anxiety and stresses and, and that brought me to where I am currently.

Brandon Handley 13:34
I think what’s interesting, too, right? A big part of what you’re talking about is, you know, you you you shoved your light down for so long, right and you you shoved your own light down so long. And then you talk about doing this shadow Shadow Work. And what’s funny is the more the more I think about the Disney Peter Pan, you know, the more the more I realized that like you know, you know how we lost a shadow. And then so back on like, I’m like, oh, wow, that was pretty potent stuff. Yeah. All right. But the idea of going back in and and accepting all of who you are, allows you to bring that authentic self that you’re talking about come out and share exactly who you are with everybody else and just kind of like it’s a it’s a more powerful but gentler way of being I would agree right? Um, and I also love the idea of like you know, once one you know so one session with you is basically a six month to a year value, right? It’s kind of I mean, you know, you know it to spend like you know value into that but that’s kind of what it is and then you bring it you know how and that’s how we open it up right like you helped me kind of bring me back to myself through the connection with my kind of grandfather and and by showing that like you know, you can just stop into who you are, and just go do your hell with it. I mean, what’s gonna happen? Right, exactly right. Yeah. And so you know, lots of stuff packed in there. And then you talk about, like, you know, the shift in energy. But I’d like to hear you kind of, again, where? Before you were doing media, and I don’t actually, I actually don’t know. So before you were doing medium work, what kind of work were you doing, like what was, you know, kind of paint the picture before stepping into that, and then illustrate maybe your shift and acceptance of who you are.

Deb Levine 15:32
Okay. So before all this, I mean, and I still am, I, I’m a mom. And I used to say, I’m just a mom. And now I’ve scribbled that word, just out with black sharpie, because that is, you know, from from parenting there, there’s never it’s not just a mom or just a dad, even I mean, it’s a parenting is, you know, and, and I parent with my full self, and I try to be as present as I can with my kids. My background, and where Meg and I went to college. My background is in advertising and public relations, I was always into creative writing, I really thought it’d be cool to be the next Amanda Woodward. Because you know, we were all into Melrose Place back then not that that’ll date me. But that was not a really practical thing, because you had to, you know, move to New York or LA, which I wasn’t prepared to do at the time. So I fled my East Coast roots and and came out to Arizona, and I ended up working in radio for about four and a half years. And I was on the sales side of things. So I was in advertising technically, but I was on the sales side of things. And my managers, this is funny, I two nicknames I was called at this is great at 23. Everyone would love to be called This Old Mother Hubbard. And I was called everyone’s conscience. I didn’t know whether or not to take that as an insult or a compliment. It’s just kind of funny. Now looking back on what I do, there was there was a lot of CD stuff happening in radio, a lot of my older men cheating. And it was just it was icky. And so here I was the young one in the group, I was one of the youngest. And they thought of me as their conscience, which I laugh now it sort of makes sense a bit. Not that I was an angel by any means. But it’s just kind of funny thinking about that. And then, you know, I wasn’t happy with what I did. In fact, I was I was the George Costanza of my office, my sister used to crack up because I would act all stress, and I have these deadlines, but I was really going into the coffee room because there was a copy room then. And I was photocopying off of the internet recipes from Epicurious and food.com. I kid you not when I was done in radio, I hope my bosses are my own bosses aren’t listening to this. I probably had a binder this thick. I’ve always been a cook and a baker. And baking has always been a passion. So I left radio and I went to Baking and Pastry school for a year I worked for a wholesale bakery. Then I started working for Jenny Craig, which everyone cracks up like, okay, at first, I’m making the baked goods and I’m helping people lose the weight. The takeaway from this is that I had no idea what I wanted to do. I had friends, childhood friends, people make nose, they were all successful. They worked for wall street, and they were pharmaceutical sales reps and occupational therapists, and they had these big jobs. And they made these big salaries. And I was going from job to job to job and I remember saying to my parents, I just don’t want to work at a desk in an office. And my dad said, what does that mean? You want to be a plumber? And I’m like, No, I just I want to help people. And I just want to do something that feels good. And you know, I was just like living on another planet. I had no attention span for anything. Every job I was bored, instantly. pastry school I loved but I didn’t love baking for somebody else. And right at the end of my reign at Jenny Craig, I was I was a program director, I did sales, I love the emotional part of that I dealt with, you know, I was overweight on and off throughout my life. So to work with people like that one on one, it really it felt like I was giving back in some way. And then at the end of that I quit a week before I had my daughter, and I haven’t been back in the quote unquote, workforce, the real workforce. Um, you know, I started working for myself. So

what I realized was, I was floating around because nothing stuck with me. And you know, like a lot of people do. That doesn’t mean that everybody’s a medium because you can’t find what you want. But I just knew that I wasn’t the kind of person that cared a lot about making money, and I wish I had been is maybe I would have, you know, found some big career and stuck with it. But I always I just want to do something that you know, where I feel good about what I do, where I feel like it’s really making a difference. And you know, it’s so cheesy to say that because so many people say and I was young when I said it, but I would get into something. In radio, for example, they gave me the difficult clients, the ones that had were going through divorce, the ones that someone had died, I made the least amount of money I was the least paying sales rep and some of these sales reps made well into the six figures. I was making nothing but I’ve been on the phone for hours with my clients and oh, they’re breaking up with the boyfriend. They’re going to talk to Deb and we’ll get another deal out of it because they trusted me My strength I suck at sales. I hate asking people for money. It’s so uncomfortable for me. But what I don’t second is relating to people. I’ve always always always related with people my first job when I moved to Arizona three weeks I work for enterprise rent a car. Sorry, enterprise rent a car. crappiest job I’ve ever had will pick you up. You know, that was the phrase. And here I am. It’s 115 in Arizona. If forget about the dry heat, it’s freaking hot. And I’m wearing I had to wear a suit with pantyhose. No laughs It was so awful. I was sweating. But the people I picked up by the end, they became my friends to the point where after three weeks, the last lady I picked up. She said, You’re here this dynamic personality, what are you doing driving for enterprise, she said, We need someone in our events marketing. Here’s my card, call me I’m gonna get you an interview. And I thought, well, she’s not going to remember she did. And a week later, I was working for her company as an event planner. So I just kept jumping job to job to job The only thing consistent was that I love relating to people. I’ve always loved it. So it makes sense. My medium should make sense because not only my relating to my clients, but I’m also relating to their loved ones in spirit who are still people just people not in the physical sense. So they have stories to tell. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Not non corporeal presence, right? Yeah. Yeah. So So. Right, I love I love that, you know, kind of hopping around, nothing kind of fits. I love the idea of the and I love cooking too. And here’s how I relate to kind of being in the kitchen. You’re, you’re connected to like a creative source. And that’s for sure you’re in the creation process during Yeah, so you’re, you’re, you have to be all in. Yeah, when you’re cooking, because otherwise it falls apart. Right. So you have to pay attention. That’s one of the things I haven’t cooked in a while. And I’ve kind of missed that, because of that. So, you know, when is the point where, you know, accept the shift into your medium, ship your gifts and say, You know what, it’s now’s the time to make a go of this thing.

Deb Levine 22:10
You know, it was kind of like the I often I think a lot of people have to get to what, you know, they call it the dark night of the soul. It’s so dramatic. But I never know what that meant, until I really felt like I was there. And I say that, obviously, with the caveat that that’s different for everyone. I mean, there are people that have really lived through severe tragedy. I have not lived through any kind of tragedy like that. But for my own world, what I was dealing with my anxiety, which I’ve had since I was a little kid, which what’s fascinating is and all of these mediumship courses and workshops and and groups that I’m I’ve been in and still a part of, I don’t know that I’ve met one medium that has not had anxiety or or does not have, you know, chronic anxiety. Whether it’s social anxiety, whether it’s because when you’re feeling all of the emotions, and you have other people and what I didn’t know how to deal with energy. At that time, I didn’t know that I didn’t need to take on everyone’s energy that was around me in a room. And why was I feeling so sad? Why am I depressed? I didn’t realize that I was picking that up from, you know, someone in my college class that I was sitting next to all the time. I didn’t have knowledge of that then. But what happened was, it really all came to a head for me when my grandmother who was one of my dearest friends, she died at 102. And I felt her Well, I mean, there were a lot of things that have been building up to it. But my anxiety had taken on legs right around the time when she died. And after she died. It was to the point where it didn’t just feel like regular anxiety anymore. So I’ve been in and out of therapy for years. Just you know, because it’s been very helpful. I’ve had a sister that’s been ill. So I was always in therapy for one thing or another. And my therapist who I really love and trust, my anxiety was just an awesome I remember her telling me She’s like, yep, I was like, there’s a mile a minute and she’s like, just take a pause and breathe. And she made me take a couple breaths just to kind of slow down and she said while I’m breathing, she’s running around behind me and her filing cabinet and she pulls out this like pamphlet of paper stapled in the corner. And she hands it to me and she starts talking and I’m not really listening to her because I can never do two things at once and this kind of explained why and I’m going through it I didn’t even read the top I just there were all these questions and asked you to rate yourself on a zero meaning on the low end to a to attend. And everything was an eight or a nine there. Oh, I can’t I can’t remember I’m having a heart You know, having a hard time finishing a project or getting sidetracked very easily like it when someone’s talking to you not being able to focus or or becoming too focused spending too much time on one thing. And I’m like, Well, I’m like, Why are you giving me and we know I have anxiety? And and then she said, That’s not an assessment for anxiety. It’s an assessment for ADHD. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 25:11
What are you talking about? Well is

Deb Levine 25:12
ADHD? I mean, I would have like that’s something that kids have, you know, when it well come to find out that one of the most Miss diagnosed group of people with ADHD are women in their mid 40s. Because what happens is forgetfulness, that was nothing like memory, that can be hormones, you know, perimenopausal which I am not sorry for the TMI, but it can be hormones, it can be all these things. And interestingly enough, anxiety is a, what’s the word I want? is a culprit if you will have ADHD. So it’s almost like what comes first the chicken or the egg, the anxiety happens because of the attention deficit, hyper focus disorder. So in children, that h is hyperactive, in adults, it’s height for me, it’s hyper focus. So I was I was going to bed at four o’clock in the morning. Okay, I’m on my laptop, because I’d seen a woman This is a true story with a cute pair of shoes. And I said, Where do you find them? I don’t know. I got them six years ago. Oh, damned if I wasn’t gonna find that pair of shoes. I can tell you. I’m online. I’m gonna find those shoes. Meanwhile, I’ve got the Real Housewives of some city on TV. I’m eating chocolate constantly eating chocolate because I had a problem with sugar. I could not get enough sugar. Well, then it was explained. Of course, you couldn’t get enough sugar, because what your brain is missing is that serotonin release. And that’s what sugar gives you. My other love. In addition to baking and eating chocolate is exercise and fitness. I’ve been into weightlifting. Since I was 17 and intense workouts. I was into CrossFit. All that. Well. That’s another thing that’s going to produce the serotonin and the dopamine release in my brain. So all of a sudden, everything sort of started to make sense. Now, I don’t like to use this as Oh, well, I have ADHD. So my house is a mess. I mean, my house is a mess. And maybe it’s partly my ADHD maybe it’s just because I didn’t feel like cleaning it. But what I want people to know and I was in I think, you know, I was in a documentary on Amazon Prime with with one of my mentors amazing medium Suzanne Wilson. She’s known as the carefree medium

Brandon Handley 27:17
with the documentary.

Deb Levine 27:19
It the series is called life to afterlife by Craig McMahon is the producer. And there’s there’s several in that series and the one I’m in I hate the title, though. Sorry, Craig. It’s really cringy it’s, I want to speak to the dead. It’s a little sensationalized, because it’s not like that the documentary is not like that. I did not set out because I wanted to try to speak to the dead. I couldn’t help it. So I’m just tossing that out there. But

Brandon Handley 27:43
real quick, one of the things that I that I find interesting, right is this relationship to the anxiety and the energy field and the mediums and it’s interesting how you kind of tell tell it is, you know, you weren’t aware of a way to kind of grab hold of the energy, protect yourself and redirect the energy that was coming through you. Right, right. And I hate to do that, but I always liken it to like, these, like old kung fu master flicks, right. You know, or even like, you know, the, you know, you know, the teacher will appear when the student is ready.

Deb Razar 28:18
I love that. I

Brandon Handley 28:18
love that. But it so happens, right? So, so happens, then you My guess is at some point, you know, you run into a teacher, you have some conversations, and you’re like, how do you know so much about what I’m going through? Yep. Tell me exactly. Yeah, tell me.

Deb Levine 28:36
So what I was going to tell you about about the the documentary, The reason I brought it up is because when Suzanne approached me to participate in it, I said to myself, I’m going to do this, but I’m going to make sure that everything I say is my truth. And then I’m completely authentic. Craig did a great job with the with the editing, because on my hands, I’m all over the place that you know, I’m affiliate girl, that’s how we talk with our hands. But I did speak about my ADHD on there, and I would I had some people that’s Oh, you don’t want to divulge that and people are gonna judge you. Number one, I’m not concerned about being judged anymore at all. And that that is a true statement.

Brandon Handley 29:15
And that’s what I mean, right? Like, I mean, how liberating is

Deb Levine 29:18
so liberating. You don’t? I mean, it’s amazing. But more importantly, I needed to speak my truth. Because if one person heard me and felt like this, again, everything I say feel like is so cliche, but if I can help one person, but it’s true, and I’ve actually had so many people reach out to me randomly on Facebook Messenger saying, I really connected to you, because I also you know, I thought that I was just really unmotivated or really lazy or and it doesn’t mean that every person that reached out to me feels like they’re a medium. This is only a part of my own personal journey. But I it upsets me that there is a stigma and for children as well. This is something that never popped up in My, in my childhood, maybe it was there in subtle ways. I mean, I was a good student, but I had to, like I had to be in a room with no noise. Like I had friends who could study with music on and talking, I needed to total quiet otherwise my mind was listening and taking in everything around me. But I also need to express that I don’t define myself like, Oh, I’m an adult with ADHD, it’s one little bit of me and I actually have a mentor that thinks that I really may not have it, that it might be just sort of all the other things in my life that that were were big stressors. And maybe that’s true, too, you know,

Brandon Handley 30:37
so so here’s the thing that, you know, I’ll you know, if you don’t mind, I’ll share my take on this now, right. Like, I mean, we were raised to be distracted. I mean, look at all the different courses, I mean, that we had to take, right look at, you know, the television programming, 20 minute blocks, you know, or 10 to 15 minute blocks, and then, you know, six minutes of 32nd commercials, we were trained to be fucking confused and D rains. Right. And so here’s the result. And, and, you know, so the reason, my reason for saying that, you know, you don’t have an attention to or like you’re hyper active or whatever deficit because that’s, it worked. The training worked, which is which is which is, you know, which brings us back to, you know, reconnecting with yourself, which is what you’ve done,

Deb Levine 31:28
and you literally just touched on something because as you were saying that he like this light bulb bulb went off and it was gonna bring me back around to the point where you use the word distracting, like there have always been so many distractions. And for me, what my distractions were whether they were connected to ADHD or not, I needed at that heightened point of anxiety I needed my distractions where I’ve never been a drinker. It’s chocolate lit like food, it specifically sweets, and I would binge on chocolate, and then I would go into a shame spiral about it. But what the chocolate was doing I was numbing everything I did the online shopping the watching too much reality TV, having it all at once. It was a way to quiet the noise. Now remember, I’m a medium. So there was all this noise, this energy coming from everywhere. Think about it. How is that going to? How is that going to silence it? I didn’t know what I was dealing with. So I use every external source it’s a good thing. I don’t like alcohol and I’ve never been into drugs because I probably would be you know in a right now. I’m not making fun of that. But I’m being serious.

Brandon Handley 32:31
No, that’d be a definitely be. Just another another thing to pile on top. Yeah. Did you ever try a foil helmet?

Deb Razar 32:43
Or being here is

Brandon Handley 32:44
semi facetious, right, like but I mean, if you if you you know the Gerrish I put on like a foil helmet to stop, like, all the noises right now. And when I don’t, okay, you know, like, I mean, honestly, like, I mean, if, like, you know, if, again, if I’m, if I’m having all these things happen, I’m just thinking, like, you know, I could see myself actually doing that at some point, especially like, if all these noises are always coming through, and I don’t have a teacher, I don’t have a guide. We didn’t get that in fifth grade. We got, you know, we got phys ed and other things, but we didn’t, we didn’t we didn’t we didn’t train it, you know,

Deb Razar 33:15
to the disease.

Brandon Handley 33:17
You know, that wasn’t an option. Right. All right. So so i would i would literally probably see myself putting putting try trying it right. How do I how do I quiet it?

Deb Levine 33:26
Well, here’s the thing is that when I say all the noise and the distraction at this particular time, it was I wasn’t hearing from spirit people. I it was, it was the energy, it was the emotion it was I was like a sponge. And it’s a lot to be a sponge for everybody else. And I’ve been this way since I was a little kid, if if someone in my family was having a bad day, I was feeling the bad day, which is probably why I ended up in therapy. Each time my sister had cancer, she never complained. She was a warrior. But I is like, I wanted to take all of that on. And I think in a way energetically I did and and so I was, you know, super, super low. And look, there’s always going to be stuff, there’s always going to be stuff happening around. when I really started hearing from the spirit world when I say that now there are mediums that hear objectively, meaning, you know, oh, I hear voices in my head. I don’t hear voices in my head. Just to clarify, and I’m not saying this to joke because they’re mediums that objectively hear like your grandfather in the spirit world. They might say like, I see your grandfather behind your right shoulder. That is not how it’s come for me. Now. The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self development journey. It’s always changing always. So may I eventually at some point, see someone’s loved one sitting next to them. I may but as of right now, the way I say it is it’s like a picture in my mind’s eye if I asked you right now, to remember your favorite scenes from your favorite movie, and like play it in your mind like it’s a real you could see right you could see the people what they’re doing. You could even hear your favorite line even though you’re not hearing it being played in your ear. So when I explain that I see an eye here that is subjectively, okay, that’s really important. So it wasn’t that I was I was being bombarded by like, Hey, can you get a hold of my nephew? And hey, can you get a hold of my daughter of it? Because that would that would really drive someone crazy probably. And there is a huge stigma that we’re all nuts, right? I mean, it was like, you know, I should have come on with the headscarf and, and the others patolli everywhere around me and I just burned my Sage actually did burn a little sage, I do like sage. And there’s nothing wrong with petroleum headscarves, and all those things. But the point is, and yes, I’m holding a crystal because my holy and crystal grounds me like I tend to be like very up here. And so it grounds me whenever I am, whenever I need to discuss or when I’m in a reading I typically will hold will hold some form of stone. But there is no one size fits all for mediums. I mean, a lot of people think of mediums they think of the Long Island medium, Theresa Caputo, she’s a character with the long nails and she’s got like a stick I call it she got the blonde hair and

Unknown Speaker 36:00
but

Deb Levine 36:00
the sad thing is, that probably detracts from the fact that she really does, you know, hear from people’s loved ones. But there’s not a one size fits all, we don’t all look a certain way, if you saw me on the street, you just feel like, oh, there’s some, you know, middle aged woman with two kids and you know, living her life. It’s not like, you know, my walk around, like with this, and I have, you know, scarves all around me, I just think there, there are lots of stigmas. You know, my add was a soup, I feel like I had to sort of rebel against all the stigmas, if you will, especially now.

Brandon Handley 36:31
Well, I mean, again, you just had to, you had to go in, see who you were for yourself, and make the decision to accept yourself as you are for who you are, and roll with it. Right? Yeah, kind of step into that and, and share yourself with others, which is we know, kind of what you’re doing with the soul wisdom, right on your website is what you’re doing with offering readings. And so that was a big part of this podcast is, you know, talk about, I guess, you know, kind of merging all of who you are your spiritual self with the material world writer, you know, bringing that out, like, I mean, one of the one of the other things that you hit on too is like, you know, we’ve got these two separate selves. And I always think of like, you know, the matrix, right, there’s, you know, Mr. Neo, you one life, you’re blah, blah, blah, this one guy and this other person, and that’s so true. Right? So how do you, you know, how do you feel like you have merged the two? And, you know, what’s your life been like, because of that.

Deb Razar 37:38
So when you say, how have I merged my mediumship? With now that, that it’s a technically a business as well? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:45
sure. Sure. Well, I mean, right. But that’s, but that’s also just, that’s another stigma, right? Like, that’s just something that you don’t want to because you’re like, this is helping people category, right? You don’t want to you don’t want to, like be like, but it is right. It’s just, and it’s just, it’s, again, we wanted to we just want to be ourselves, right? Without, right without classify or label it. But like, exactly those labels, unfortunately, hopefully, other people what. It’s hard, it’s hard to put yourself on the map if you don’t share the map.

Deb Levine 38:17
It’s true. It’s true. And I, I think what had to happen for me was that once I really decided, and it wasn’t choice that I was going to live, to really live my authentic truth in every facet of my life. You know, I have a mentor that says mediumship is not spirit communication, or just intuitive mediumship is, is, is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means being, if, if I really want to do my soul’s work, as a natural medium, I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life. And what I’ve decided to do, again, this is just I’m one person, you could ask 10 different mediums, they’d say different things, I have to show up every day, as myself, again, I said flaws and all that, that whole duality, because what I’m able to do then is is hopefully, especially in a session with me, allow other people to see that it’s okay to show up as yourself. You don’t have to be X, Y or Z to be enough. And again, everything I say is written in every book everywhere. You know, we are enough as we as we are and I you know, I used to hear they go oh yeah, I’m enough as I am, whatever. But if I were only skinnier and apparently had more, you know, this that

Brandon Handley 39:38
shirt No, you’re right, right. It is all in these books. And it is a number of these things. But it’s a it’s a different level of understanding. right there’s, there’s there’s the literal understanding, and there’s the outward facing physical application of this shit, right? You’re like, Oh, I’m enough. Yeah, I showed up for work and I sharpen 72 pencils, whatever. Right, I’m going off gay, but like, you’re the I’m enough is like, you know, that’s the inner work that you’re talking about it most

Deb Razar 40:07
important work,

Brandon Handley 40:08
right? It’s it’s the, you know, the, the, you know, the most neglected. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then and then different levels of understanding, right? Because not for nothing, you know, four years ago, you know, if you’d said that this is what I’d be doing or any of this stuff, I would have laughed at you.

Deb Razar 40:27
Me to me? Yeah, yeah, I get that. So, go ahead. No, I

Brandon Handley 40:32
mean, just I mean, that’s, it sounds cliche, right, only because it’s real, unless you’ve experienced it subjectively, because you cannot, unfortunately, have somebody else’s experiences for them, like you were talking about earlier. You know, you can’t do the work for somebody else. Now. You can’t show up inside of someone else for them.

Deb Levine 40:57
Now, you can. No, but what I think what I think did it for me, you know, when I first like when I could not turn off the gifts when I was getting all this information about people that had passed, for people that I even like sort of knew, but didn’t really No, I mean, it’s it’s funny, and Magnus is, I’ve gotten in touch with some some people that I’ve known since childhood that we’ve known since childhood, because their loved ones came to me and I, I was pretty proud of myself for having the coneys to reach out and say, Look, I know I haven’t seen you in 2030 years. But hey, I’m able to communicate with the dead and I’ve got your wife or your dad or whomever with me, that for me, took not staying small anymore, because oh no, what are they gonna think they’re gonna think I’m weird. I didn’t care. I didn’t care what they thought, because if I knew that their loved ones had an important message for them to receive. Now this is before i was i was i really sort of had honed what I’m doing because there is ethics and morals. Although we don’t take the Hippocratic oath. We don’t. We’re not therapists, we’re not doctors, but it is so critical to have ethics and morals in in what I do. Because people are trusting me. I mean, when you when you have a session with me, it’s almost like I say like, you know, you can try to bullshit your therapist. I’ve tried that once or twice. And we want to sort of show our therapist like the good side, which you can’t get help that way. But still, it’s been done, people kind of try to BS, the therapist, when you’re coming with me, it’s almost like we’re now we’ve now been, it’s like having seen your therapist for seven years. Because all of a sudden Our relationship is like boom, because you can’t, you’re not going to be able to, to show me something that isn’t true, because I am an intuitive. So I’m going to know that it’s not true. Now I also my job is also to tread lightly. If I know that someone, someone can’t take the information that I’m about to give that, or they’re not ready to hear it.

Unknown Speaker 42:48
Hi, buddy.

Deb Levine 42:49
How are you? It’s so good to see you. I got to chat with him after. If I am. My job as the medium is to be able to gauge whether or not my client is really ready for this gentle soul excavation, I will never force on someone shoved that mirror up to your face. That’s the job of the medium. And there can be ego involved. And there is is zero place. I had a mentor say the first two letters and medium don’t belong there. Because this is not about me, this is not like a look at the pony trick I can do. I’m not doing anything I am being I am being my authentic self, the channel, if you will. I’m a conduit as a better word for it. And my job is to be open to not impose any judgment to not impose any meaning. And to listen to what the loved ones in spirit have to say, to make sure that my client receives what they need. When I first started this when I first started my development, I was so excited about my own experience. This is so cool. Oh my god, that guy just told me where his ashes were. And the wife just said, No one knows that. And was I patting myself on the back. But no, but I was like, This is the coolest thing ever. Oh my gosh, how is this happening? But guess what the experience is not for me. It’s not about me, I have nothing to do with this. Once I got over that that initial excitement. It’s why my mediumship changed. It’s why my my sessions are not merely spirit, contact communication, where I’m just giving a lot of evidence. Because what happened was when I really went in and did that soul work on myself, when I really learned to accept being in my truth. I could then accept this the truth of the Spirit people had for their loved ones. And I could help then my client discover if they hadn’t already their own truth. That’s the only way it’s that triad of energy. And that was when it almost came full circle. It wasn’t just like, this is so awesome. I’m talking to people that aren’t alive anymore. But yet I knew all these things. That’s not what this is about. This is so much deeper and there can be so much healing and soul work done. A medium ship session, if your listeners take nothing away, it is not just spirit communication it can be. And if you are, if you have a loved one that you’re really hoping to hear from, I, the medium has no control over that the spirit world knows what my client needs. In that moment, as I said, for their soul’s highest purpose and greatest good, they know, it’s only going to be hopeful, helpful or healing, there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful. I don’t there’s no fear around what I do I have the utmost respect for this

Brandon Handley 45:31
calling, if you will. So I mean, it’s almost not almost I mean, you are tuning into that connection as a medium for your clients to, you know, pull that in through the universe. And, you know, if you’ve got your ego involved with it, there’s it’s almost like you’re attaining the water or near the source, right? And then, as you do this mediumship connecting the source, you know, and and, you know, translating it right into words, for for, for for the person who’s there, your client, essentially, you’re reconnecting them the source, right?

Deb Razar 46:12
It Well, except, if you look at it this way, again, just my perspective. We all have the connection to source because it’s within us, right? Yeah. So if they’ve lost that connection,

Brandon Handley 46:23
it’s kind of like, you know, I don’t know what a jumpstart right for your heart, right?

Deb Razar 46:28
jumper kit, your jumper cables for a car even? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 46:31
yeah, that’s exactly,

Unknown Speaker 46:32
yeah, yeah, your batteries there. It’s just like, drained or neglected, or

Deb Razar 46:36
a great way of putting it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Right. And so that’s, I mean, that’s awesome. Right. And again, the, the, the experience I had with you was, was amazing, always grateful for that. And, you know, I think, you know, I know, I was on my way as I was just doing some things that but I wasn’t doing them in 100% authentic manner, and in a way that I was still masking myself, right, and what you did kind of allow me to just obliterate the mask and say, fuck, let’s go for it. And

Deb Levine 47:08
that’s the greatest thing I could hear, by the way from, from someone that I’ve worked with, because, and I’ve told you this before, because it’s all the ripple, we all have that ability to give back you are doing, you are really doing so much good. You have that energy about you where you’re so curious, you’re just so open you you want people, you want an understanding, and you really get excited, and you want that understanding to be shared among other people. So the fact that I was able to kind of give you that little spark, look what you’re doing now for so many other people. So that’s what I love, we are really all connected. Again, I’m gonna sound super cheesy. But if we can see each other as that we’re all extensions of one another and not look at each other as like, Oh, you have that I want that. And it’s not about that. I mean, we really can be support for one another and be each other’s cheerleader. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry calling, there’s not one more special than the other what gifts someone has, when someone comes to me, if their gift is there, an electrician, and they’re they’re so good at and they’re helping, you know, out here, let me tell you in Arizona, your AC goes out your host in the summer, right, it’s 117 degrees, that someone’s gift, and so long as they’re living authentically, they’re living their truth, they’re passionate about it. If I can help spark that in other people, then as I used to say, like, I just want a job where I can help people that I really feel like I’m getting to live my very fullest life in that sense. And that is, that’s really the greatest gift that I’ve ever been given through all the shitstorm that i’ve you know, kind of had to get past to get to this point. Every bit of it was worth it to be right here.

Brandon Handley 48:47
Well, you know, some people never get to that point, right? It’s not about how long it takes you to get to do get there. Right. And and, you know, Meg and I certainly have the conversations where I believe that more people get there than not it’s just males out there there’s well there’s not an understanding of where they are because of the Western you know, kind of mindset and it’s like oh shit, I’m I’m gonna need like Percocet I’m gonna I’m gonna need a whatever this that whatever’s going on here has got to be shoved right back let’s

Deb Levine 49:19
commit let’s do whatever we can let’s find ways to numb it and to not to feeling the pain no one look it doesn’t feel good to feel pain whether it’s emotional pain or physical pain we all as human beings want that. Whenever pain starts, what can I do to stop it?

Brandon Handley 49:36
Why would you so I mean what I’m looking at those isn’t isn’t pain. It’s that that this reignition of source and energy and feeling it kind of like you were feeling it all coming from everywhere and and not knowing what it is but since you don’t know what it is being fearful of it and trying to block it all out. Right. So yeah, keeping yourself disconnected from source and

Deb Razar 50:00
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:01
Right. But but but simply just because of all the stigmas and all this other stuff anywho that’s not what you do what you do is help people connect to that, which is already there, show them kind of like their own inner hidden city of glory or whatever right and

Deb Razar 50:18
I need you to write my website and

Brandon Handley 50:22
so you know, you help people you map it out or at least you know, show it so that it is possible and you’re doing this on the soul wisdom calm. And then you know, tell us a little bit more at least know what’s offered on the soul wisdom calm and is that the only place they can connect with you? Where should they go if they want to connect with you.

Deb Levine 50:42
It’s vessel ism, th e Sol, s o ul wisdom, calm all one word that is the best place, there’s a way to email me directly from Matt, it has my business number is on there as well. It’s interesting, but as I’ve developed, I’ve whittled down my website was pretty small to begin with. And I’ve whittled it down because I used to have a medium ship offering a mediumship session and an in and an intuitive only session. So if someone was not interested in hearing from loved ones in spirit, they just had like, they’ve got life issues, they’ve got things on their path, they really want to get into the meat of I took that away, because what I realized was, if someone’s coming to work with me, they have to have some sort of trust with me off the bat. as of lately, I mean, I don’t market myself, it’s all been referral. I mean, thanks for the documentary with Suzanne Wilson really was a big help. This I was on your friend, Mona Lauren’s podcast. That was that was a help. But other than that, there’s not really a way that people hear about me. So typically, they’ve heard from a friend or a loved one. So they come with sort of a sense of trust. If they’re coming to me with that sense of trust, they have to trust me, but more so they have to trust the spirit world. Because I my hope is that my clients come the best way to get the most depth out of a session is to come as open as possible. Because if you’re open, then you are going to receive what it is that you need, which I can’t know because I don’t know my clients before I work with them. They’re strangers to me, we leave usually as friends, but they always start out as someone I’ve never met. I don’t like to know anything about the people I work with. If they’re open, now, I just say I offer a mediumship session a mediumship session, which is what I was saying earlier is not just talking to dead people, a mediumship session is talking to the dead but it’s also intuitive information. Is it more one and less of another? It may be we never know because it’s different every time could I call

Brandon Handley 52:36
it like continuation of energy instead of the dead right like I mean yes it’s really I mean it’s not dead

Deb Razar 52:44
Yeah, there is no there there is a there is no Yeah,

Brandon Handley 52:46
yeah so so I mean just energy continuation of my grandfather. Dead does

Deb Levine 52:53
sound It sounds very harsh. There are people that say well, dead is meaning like the physical bodies die but I call I really call them spirit people because their their spirit hasn’t gone anywhere the essence of who they are that that is still very much alive. So on my website again, it’s it’s it’s very it’s slim. That’s my offering. I am and I had changes to I do have I am certified in sound healing. And for a while I was offering sound healings, then COVID hit and it’s possible. I’ve done sound healings over what do you call it Facebook Live, you know, just work like private Facebook Live groups. But I find that I use a gong and I use a crystal singing bowl and I’ve got a rain stick and I’ve got a wave drum. What I find is my sound healing is really an extension of my mediumship. So that’s a whole story for another podcast but sound

Brandon Handley 53:44
so so that’s I mean, that’s that’s a basically a part of your offering, right part of the suffering. It’s

Deb Razar 53:49
not on the website anymore. I took it off.

Brandon Handley 53:51
Well, I mean, let’s say that you and I are talking and intuitively. You’re like you know what? You need some noise, bro.

Deb Razar 53:59
Yes, I need some noise. I gotta get that gong out for you. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:03
no. So real quick, so I’m just gonna I’m gonna wind it down here Devin, you and I can keep talking right so everybody you know go to the soul wisdom.com checkout and see what she has offer there. My Instagram You

Deb Razar 54:16
mean to tell you that sir. Instagram is so wisdom. So wisdom easy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. You

Brandon Handley 54:24
know what I was always saying like so was the MAS or something like that. But it’s so wisdom a wisdom AZ so

Deb Razar 54:30
wisdom was taken so AZ I’m in Arizona, so

Brandon Handley 54:32
that’s where they’re not sure. Yeah, that makes sense. No, sorry to interrupt. No, you’re good. You’re good. So you’ll connect back with it. This is something that you’re more interested in. I’ll have links also in the podcast notes.

Deb Razar 54:49
I appreciate you having me on. It was fun.

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Mike Iamele is a writer, life purpose expert, and brand strategist. With his proprietary Sacred Branding® system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads that explain their subconscious motivations, unique genius, and life purpose. People use this work for all kinds of things — from branding and building a business, to exploring identity and sexuality, to finding their artistic voice, to even re-discovering themselves after a life-altering event, like divorce or retirement. Mike’s also the author of Enough Already: Create Success on Your Own Terms (Conari Press 2015). He’s shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts, and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first same-sex relationship. Prior to Sacred Branding®, at only 22 years old, Mike co-founded Torch Communications, a boutique public relations firm, specializing in healthcare and disruptive technology. He currently lives in Somerville, MA, with his husband and two adorable dogs.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dove is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Mike Iaconelli who is a writer, life purpose expert and brand strategist. With his proprietary sacred branding system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads explained their subconscious motivations, unique genius and life purpose. People use this word for all kinds of things, from branding and building to business to exploring identity and sexuality to finding their artistic voice to even rediscovering themselves after a life altering event like divorce or retirement. Mike is also the author of enough already create success on your own terms. He shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first first same sex relationship prior to sacred branding relationship prior Okay, sorry. Prior to sacred branding, at only 22 years old, Mike co founded torch communications, a boutique public relations firm specializing in health care and disruptive technology. I’m not gonna tell you where we live. They can find that on their own. But here’s the deal, Mike, first, first of all, just while I’m going through this, thank you so much for joining me today.

Mike Iamele 1:24
Yeah, thanks, Brandon. This is awesome. I’m glad to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:26
Awesome. So I’m reading this. It’s funny, though, because I was reading this earlier. And when I read it in his first same sex relationship, so like, I mean, multiples or, like, I mean, you What happened? There was

Mike Iamele 1:41
a great question. Let’s dive right in. Um, you know, I previously had no conscious knowledge, no interest in men. To my knowledge, I’ve only dated women. And it was a time where I actually woke up one day vomiting blood. And that didn’t stop for a few months, I was really, really sick. I was going from doctor to doctor trying to figure out what was wrong with me. And my roommate at the time was a friend of mine, we actually two roommates, but one of them was a friend of mine who was in the healthcare profession. And so he kind of became my caretaker, I couldn’t drive myself to these appointments. You know, he really took care of me. And after about two months, I felt like I felt something. It wasn’t sexual. It didn’t even feel romantic. It just felt like something was a little different. And I think if it were any other time in my life, I probably wouldn’t have acted on it. But I thought I was going to die. And so there I was kind of saying like, Well, you know, and I felt really weird. I said, Hey, I don’t know what this is. I don’t know if this is anything. But I kind of have these feelings. And he reciprocated he felt something. He didn’t know what he also had never dated a man. And that led us on a year and a half, two year journey of exploring what that is. We are married today. We’ve been together for over nine years. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 2:59
How cool is that? How cool is that? So that’s usually not my first question. But when I was reading through that, I’m like, what is what is in here? Right? So here’s my first question is, hey, look, you know, we’re both in the spiritual realm, we both we’re both in this space where the universe talks to us, right? We’re conduits for some type of energy, right? In these body shades, forms, minds, whatever the hell right? So given that, when we’re when we’re having a conversation, people that are tuning in listening to podcasts are tuned into something that only you can deliver, right, at this time, you know, sources delivering what message to them through you right now.

Mike Iamele 3:38
So what’s the message I’m delivering? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 3:40
What’s the what’s the message, the sources sources pulling through right now,

Mike Iamele 3:44
you know, the message is that it’s ironic because it’s exactly what you’re talking about, that every single one of us has a unique way, energy flows, unique sensitivities, unique purpose. And the thing is, I get really fired up about this, because the way we talk about purpose is toxic. And it really induces shame. And the reason for that is we talk about purpose, like it is achievable and aspirational. So we’ll say things like, Oh, my purpose is to be a life coach. My purpose is to write a book, my purpose is to get married. And that’s awesome. But here’s the thing, if you can achieve it, that means you can also fail it. And that doesn’t make sense, like how you fail your purpose. And more than that, if you can achieve it, it implies you didn’t have it at a certain point. So did we just not have a purpose as babies like that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever? Sure. And so I talk about purpose, a lot more like sensitivities. And here’s the thing even as a baby before I learned one word I was sensitive to some things. Some babies are sensitive to music, and they can probably hear notes that I can’t hear. Some babies are sensitive to certain colors. Some babies are sensitive to freedom. And if you’re sensitive to freedom, you’re probably going to feel trapped a lot more easily than I am. You’re probably going to look for opportunities to feel free all the time and you’re probably gonna create your best work when you do feel free, right know that sense? activity is going to start to color your entire experience of life. Every moment of your life, every trauma you have, every job you have, every relationship you have, is going to be either expressing or suppressing that to some degree. We’re going exactly through that sensitivity. So we’re sensitive. That’s how we experience life. We see taste, touch, smell life, there are senses, right? That’s what purpose is. Now, if I’ve got a container that can totally hold my purpose, it’s like talking to my best friend. And time just flies by and genius just feels out of me. And I’m tapped into that unique thing coming through me right through my senses. Yeah. And then we have those other conversations, were kind of like, Am I saying the right thing? Am I doing the right thing, am I and we’re on that level of technical. And then when we say if we’re on the level of technical, we have no idea what the essence is, we’re not actually tapped into essence, we’re just trying to kind of mold this awkward container. But when I know I have boiling hot tea, I’m not going to put that in plastic, I’m not going to put that in a cup with a handle, I’m going to choose the right container. The second that, you know, essence, everything starts flowing. And that’s why whether we’re talking about relationships, whether we’re talking about spirituality, trauma, healing, you’ve always no moment of your life has been wasted. You everything has a purpose. Obviously, the word purpose means why. But we have containers that can hold that purpose and containers that can’t. And my interest in life is just knowing who we are removing any shame and then finding containers that can actually hold us.

Brandon Handley 6:29
Now. I love that, right. There’s a there’s a lot in there. And I think that that’s a I think it’s a great message. One of the one of the things that I wanted to share to what you talked about is you’re going through your branding system, right, and how that can help you explore, explore your spirituality. And one of the things that I mentioned to you right before we got started here was, you know, more people reached out to me on on spiritual dope than a couple other podcasts. But what I did also nothing that I recognized and some of my other podcasts, the people that did reach out to me, my first one was fatherhood for the rest of us. And I had like this kind of weird dad snare, everybody’s got a weird dad snare and always got to the you know, whatever. But like, he was like, he heroin overdose died, stuff like that, right? Like, about 30 40% of people I talked to. That’s similar story, right? So you would track kind of who you are. I’m not saying, um, you. But you track like, like mines, right? So the people that are reaching out to me are also experiencing kind of what you’re sharing that this your sacred branding system, right? And recognizing that marketing, isn’t this the skeezy thing? Right? There can be some goodness that comes out of going through understanding what is your branding? What is right, so let’s talk a little bit about your sacred branding system so that people can kind of understand it from that perspective.

Mike Iamele 7:54
Yeah. Well, let me tell you how it got started. Because it is, you know, everything looks glamorous, or retrospect. But I promise you, it is not. So, you know, I was at this moment where I was really sick, like I mentioned before, and I was kind of sort of navigating this relationship with my roommate. And I went around from healer to healer. You know, I wasn’t into alternative healing at the time, but I was really desperate. And so I started going to reflexology, and Reiki and acupuncture and you know, energy healing, you name it, I was there. And one healer said to me, you know, can I pull a card for you? Okay, that’s what you want to do. And she pulled a card, and she said, Oh, my God, you are going through a shamanic healing crisis. And the second that you start to realize, and change your path and find new containers, everything will change, you will magically get better, and it’s gonna change your life. So I took it with a grain of salt at the time, but I bought a few books that she had mentioned. And I went on my way. And through this process of discovering, I started realizing this new spiritual part of myself. And so this is happening simultaneously. I actually owned a PR agency. So as you mentioned, I worked in public relations and health care reform. And I never thought that would be fair job. I loved that job. I mean, I liked it. I should say it was good, but it wasn’t fully fully right container. But it was good enough. And so this crazy thing happened, where I lost my passport, the day before my family was going to Aruba for New Year’s, we always go for New Year’s, my passport disappeared. I keep it locked in a safe wasn’t there. So I drove back and forth to my parents house to my house. Like I didn’t sleep that night. I was just driving. They were an hour for me, and could not find my passport. They went to Aruba. The next day. I was stuck at home. And so I you know, said to my partners, listen, guys, why don’t I take off next this next week? instead? I’ll work this week instead of being on vacation. And then I’ll go Ruby late and meet my family there. And kind of uncharacteristically, they had some issue with us. And so I thought, all right, well, I will work but I’ll work from Aruba. I’m going to Aruba and they said well, we don’t know if You’re really serious about this company. And I was like, You know what, maybe I’m not. And so I went to Aruba. I came back, and it was like someone else was speaking for me. I just said, I’ll give you a year’s notice, we’re gonna restructure, and I’m leaving. So now here I am sitting there and thinking, what the hell am I going to do with my life, like, I don’t have a plan, you know, I can sell my shares. I have a little bit of money, but I don’t have a plan. So I went to herbalism school, I went to nutrition school, I literally went to two schools full time that year, while working while taking spiritual classes, while exploring this relationship. It was the worst year of my life. But I finished it. And I thought, well, I don’t know what to do. So I decided that I was going to be the health and wellness coach for the Boston entrepreneurs, because I knew them all. Why not? Like I was an herbalist. I was a health coach, I can do this. And it was okay. I wasn’t making a ton of money, and I really love it. And so I started writing a blog. And this blog got decently popular. And someone REACHED OUT out of the blue and offered me a book deal. And I thought, Oh, this isn’t this is my purpose. I’ve always meant to be a writer, I’m going to do this book deal. So I write this book, I go on a book tour. And I hope not everybody’s listening to this part. I didn’t love it. It wasn’t great. still buy my book. It’s good. But I did not like just being an author and doing the book tour things, a lot of pressure. I didn’t feel supported. And so I thought, well, crap, I’m wasting my time. I’m wasting life. How do I not know my purpose? Now I’ve gone through the crisis. I’ve done all the things that every book tells me to do. I’ve one on every life purpose webinar, every life purpose training, I don’t know my purpose. So I go back to the drawing board. And I said, All right, what am I good at? What does the world need? And I’ve had circled that middle ground. Oh, it is so obvious. How did I not see it? I meant to create a blogging course. But this blogging course, is just going to be a blogging course, it’s going to be deep, it’s going to be spiritual, it’s gonna help people find their voice. And it’s gonna help them get booked deals and all this great stuff, right? So I create this course. And of course, you know, you got to go pro. So I put everything into this, like, I’ve got the lighting kit and the nice mic, and the Facebook ads, and the web designer and the business partner and all that stuff and put it out to the world. And five people bought it. The loss was extraordinary. I mean, that was the last of my savings, I was done. So I was mortified. I knew, I guess I will ask my partners to take me back after a year, who knows what’s going to happen? I still don’t know my purpose, after, you know, decades of trying, but really a year just focused on that I still can’t figure it out. I’m a failure. And so I decided to host a failure celebration, right? Because at least you know, maybe I can flip the script and celebrate Well, maybe something good came from this year. And I went into a Facebook group I was a part of. And I said, I’m happy to, you know, do some branding for you. And some work that I came up with way back in PR. It’s a simple system we use to help CEOs kind of think about their messaging in a very concrete simple way so that they can make sales decisions and messaging and interview talking points and press releases and all this stuff. Very simple. And so I went in there, and I offered it to these people. But these weren’t the, you know, tech entrepreneurs and healthcare politicians I was used to. These were life coaches, and artists and healers and all types of cool people. And every single one of them said to me, Mike, you didn’t just tell me my brand. You told me my life purpose. It’s like, wait, wait a minute. They’re like, What are you trying to say? And so I had to go back to the drawing board and figure out what am I actually doing here? What’s happening that’s telling these people claiming that they know their purpose in a way that’s never been articulated before. And so I did the process for myself. And I discovered six words. And these sorts of six words are aligned, zany, free, unmistakable, successful, and vulnerable. And the second I saw these words, every moment of trauma in my life starts to make sense, because I started to feel every time the opposite of those when I was protected. When I felt like a failure, these articulated better than anything, the biggest trauma of my life, I started to look at what felt good about it my PR job, but what didn’t, what made sense in writing, but what didn’t. And as I started to do that, simultaneously, people started asking me, what do you call this? And I said, it’s branding, but I guess it’s sacred, I don’t know, sacred branding. laughs That word on there. They start telling their friends and I was open for business. And I never went back to PR, which I thought I would the next day never did and that was six or seven years ago. Now. I

Brandon Handley 14:29
think. That’s great. That’s great. And I think that, you know, look, you you just stepped into kind of like your fear, right? And and you you surrendered a little bit, right? You just you just said you know what, this is what I got. I’m having this conversation. I’m gonna have the failure party, people are gonna step up. Do you happen to be in this group, like you said, of like artists and you know, these kind of spiritual people and you’re helping them find their purpose, and if I recall correctly, you’re like, I didn’t even know what mine was. All right. Hold on a second. Yeah, I did what? Hold on a second. Wait, I’m gonna come back. I’m watching Oh, this works because now I’m gonna work. It’s like kinds of hypnosis on yourself though, right? Like, all right.

Mike Iamele 15:11
So the irony about it is like, if we look at those words successful, I was hosting a failure celebration to make success, right, I was being super vulnerable, I was aligning with my type of people, like, when we start to unpack what that means, well, da, this was gonna be a moment of success for me. And that’s why I always call this you know, a reliable, predictable formula for success and fulfillment that works in any situation without fail. It doesn’t just work in job because it’s kind of To me, it’s like shooting darts, like most of us live life where we’re shooting darts in the dark, we kind of sometimes stumble upon success, and we that feels good. But even if we have something successful in our lives, we don’t actually know what made us successful. So we’re an artist who might say, well, was it the medium I was using? Was I feeling inspired? Did I have a lot of spaciousness that day? Or if we’re an entrepreneur, we think, well, was it the image? Was it the coffee was not asked these questions? Sure. relationships, same thing. What I often think is, when we do this work, what we’re doing is we’re mapping our experiences, you know, to do sacred branding, we’re mapping out traumas, we’re mapping our highest access points, we’re starting to notice a pattern and boiling that pattern down. And it’s kind of like flipping on the lights, doesn’t mean I’m gonna hit the bullseye every time, but I know what I’m doing. I can practice, I can say, Alright, I know I need to be vulnerable here. It’s really awkward for me, but I’m gonna keep practicing what that looks like in relationship until I can hone that sensitivity.

Brandon Handley 16:32
Right. Right now. That’s fair. That’s fair. The one of the things that I see out there is people trying to be vulnerable, but really, they’re just vomiting, like, or, you know, just just doesn’t come off as genuine. So how can you be authentically vulnerable on purpose?

Mike Iamele 16:52
It’s a great question. You know, I think that I think that there’s a difference between maybe intentional and strategic care. I think that this, you know, I guess the bottom line is, what is the reason that we’re being vulnerable? And that’s what I’m really interested in, when we go down to the brand energy level, is it about connection? Is it about intimacy? Is it about, you know, feeling aligned with somebody? Is it about being seen? Is it about feeling abundance, like, there’s a reason that we’re doing it in the first place. And if we’re not really tapped into that we’re kind of deceiving ourselves, we’re basically like, I want to make a lot of money. And so I’m being vulnerable to make a lot of money. But I’m not actually conscious of that I’m actually owning that the shadow. So it starts to come across as inauthentic. But I think when we really know who we are, and what kind of owning and claiming that, you know, I often say you don’t have to assert what’s claimed, right? If I’m asserting something, I haven’t fully claimed it. So if I have to be like, Oh, I am super masculine. That’s not something I’ve planned. Oh, I’m super vulnerable. That’s not something I’ve claimed, right. When I’ve claimed it, it’s just internalized, and then I kind of exude it. And I think that’s what I want for every person to be able to exude the authentic flow of who you actually are. Right?

Brandon Handley 18:01
I mean, that kind of goes back to like your beginning, right, you know, how can that person find out who they truly are? Right? And then helping them to figure out how to truly express that. Is that you know, I mean, that’s kind of that’s kind of, that’s the business that you’re in? Yeah, that’s

Mike Iamele 18:16
right there. you boil it down. Absolutely. Yeah. No,

Brandon Handley 18:18
I love it. You know, me. And it’s funny the story that you’re telling, too, because it’s exactly what happened to me, right? My first podcast was like, I gotta I gotta hit these notes. I got to do these things. I want to do it for money. Like, I didn’t really want to do it for money. But I was doing it for money. I was like, yeah. And then and then like, I was, like, you know, switched out did another one. And that podcast was wasn’t in straight alignment with who I was right? Like this. I was like, it’s almost there. I’ve almost gotten it, right. And then this one is like, is better? Right? This one? I’m like, I’m almost there. Again, like so again, like, and and? I’m sure, right. I mean, would you talk to kind of how the universe opens up once you find your alignment? Like, what’s that look like? For you?

Mike Iamele 19:02
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think, you know, it depends what language we’re comfortable using, whether we want to call it the universe, whether we want to say we’re just putting ourselves in the place of opportunities, and the right thing comes.

Brandon Handley 19:10
I think that that’s great, too, right? Because I think that a big a big challenge for the people that are like, you know, the spiritual ilk, or are super artsy, they’re not going to be as comfortable with the business language, right? And that’s, and that’s why they’re open to this other. Let’s open up to the universe. Let’s have a vision board, let’s, let’s do these things because they are these are goals, these are planning, these are all those other things, but it’s in a language that they their brain, and their subconscious will not filter out, like, oh, we’re gonna do it like this. That’s great, man. My energy is in alignment. Let’s do it. Right. Whereas like, if you’re like, let’s let’s come up with a plan. I’m not much of a planner. I don’t I don’t write hate plans.

Mike Iamele 19:56
Well, I think the thing is, you know, we all have our own Attachment towards our own language, our own connotation. And that’s why as much as I think things like, you know, MBTI or enneagram, with these systems are really awesome. I’m a big fan of, you know, speaking to our purpose in our own language through how we associate with words. And that’s why you know, I don’t really care. I tell people, if your words of Sally Bob and Jim awesome, if that means something to you, you go for it. And so my job is just to help them map how they use language and begin to boil that down to overarching themes. And it’s a really cool process. So we can

Brandon Handley 20:32
do. I do I do. Okay,

Mike Iamele 20:37
so, do you want to be a guinea pig? Or do you just want me to speak to your guinea pig. So this is gonna be my super super, like, dumbed down shoddy way of doing it. But if anyone wants to reveal a little bit more real, you can just go to Mike iaconelli.com slash map, it’s free. It’s 36 minutes, and you’re gonna get a worksheet. So it’s super cool. But let’s play now for 10 minutes. Okay, so Brandon, can you take a moment to close your eyes, and I want you to think about three jobs that you have had in your life. So just three jobs could be anything, it could be back in high school, you were, you know, a cashier, it could be a current job, it could be podcasting, just anything that you want. And when you get your mind in those three jobs, I want you to pick one of them and tell me what it is.

Brandon Handley 21:32
So, you know, once upon a time like that to my laptop, my eyes are not to show.

Unknown Speaker 21:37
Yeah, I know what’s happening.

Brandon Handley 21:40
You know, so once upon a time, I mean, this is going back 20 years, like I used to do two bunches like the raves right the nighttime parties, but like I do the promoting for them, right? Or like help hosts are like pull, pull, pull, pull the gathers together, right? I mean, so awesome. So you know, getting people together and and seeing them having a great night. I mean, that that was it. Right?

Mike Iamele 22:01
So you’re already getting ahead of the game. You’re so good here. So I want you to tell me, what are three things that you either made people feel or you gave to people? And so my example is you might make people like you said feel happy or fun or connected, or safe? Or maybe you made them feel like energized and manic. Like what were three things? Yeah, look, I

Brandon Handley 22:21
mean, people feel a you know, look, if you’re going if you’re if you’re on just as parties, like you get like, that’s an experience, right? One time experience, probably never gonna happen again. And it’s a life experience.

Mike Iamele 22:34
All right. experiential. We’ve got that 100%

Brandon Handley 22:38
straight bliss, man, right, dancing out dancing all night long. Right. You know, they stop dropping, I don’t know, whatever spelling.

Mike Iamele 22:46
So it’s experiential. It’s bliss. Is there anything else that you wanted to make people feel? I

Brandon Handley 22:50
mean, is active, right? It’s engagement.

Mike Iamele 22:52
Perfect. Perfect. This is great. So now pick a second job. And I want you to tell me a little bit about that job and then do the same thing.

Brandon Handley 23:00
The podcasting, right podcasting, the connections, like you can’t, it opens so many doors, right? Like, I mean, it’s a straight up opens. Like I can call I can talk to anybody, right? If there’s, I literally just interviewed one of my favorite authors a week or so ago. Sreekumar Rao, right? I have a podcast, would you like to be on it? Right? This is my space. This is what I do. And I think you’d be a great fit, right? I mean, so connections and then being able to connect, like you to the audience, right. So So Mike, I’m always on I’m like, I don’t just like Mike, you’re gonna like Mike and here’s why and, and just listen to him. Like, I don’t have to tell you, you’re gonna be able to decide for yourself. Right? So sharing those connections. And what’s left, I mean, it’s just, it’s just fun. Because you get to you get to this, this is an amplifier. Right? The microphone is an amplifier, I get to share my message with the entire world. And if anybody is any, like stratosphere, right? This is like radio waves. It goes all awake, universal man. So communicating my story to everybody that

Mike Iamele 24:09
I love that got universal. It’s amplifying. It’s fun. It’s connecting. Awesome. Got some great language. All right, one more. So the last job Tell me about it and tell me three things that you wanted people to feel from it. And,

Brandon Handley 24:25
I mean, I think bartending was probably just so much fun. And again, like it’s just always about other people connecting with other people being mean that kind of, I guess, you know, and even in like with the podcast, kind of being that that hub, right, that that that kind of generates all that energy to make it all happen.

Mike Iamele 24:46
Mm hmm. I love that. I love that. Okay, we’ve got some good good mapping going on already. But now I want you to take a moment Brandon and close your eyes again. And I want you to think of a really challenging moment. It could be frustrating. It could be And successful, it could even be traumatic, although we don’t want to go into any trauma that feels traumatic to think about right now. But anything that feels like this was a really tough moment in my life. And I want you, you don’t have to tell me what it is, if you don’t want that, I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 25:18
So I think I think I’ve talked about it before, but like, there was a point when I was doing like my fatherhood for the rest of this podcast. And then I got offered an amazing job, right, like a great salary. And I was like, Well, I have to stop focusing so much on this father for the rest of us thing, right, not attached my identity that that I and I realized I was like, Oh, my God, I attached my identity that same time realize that I was willing to kind of throw that away for a bunch of money. So I was kind of battling that. Right. So that was it. That was conflicted. Right. And, and it kind of, it tore me apart in a way that I wasn’t expecting, you know. At the same time, it also made me realize how much I attached my identity to what it is that I do.

Mike Iamele 26:04
Yeah, that’s, thank you for saying I’m gonna try to remember that because it’s something really beautiful. We’ll talk about right after this process. But um, so what do you what did you feel? I know you say conflicted, but what do I mean? Did you feel like you were like, disgusted at yourself or wanting the money? Did you feel angry? Did you feel frustrated? Did you feel blocked or trapped? Like, give me a little bit longer? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 26:25
I mean, I could probably go with like a little bit of of trapped or locked, right? I mean, look, I’m, I’m a family man, when you’re looking for, you know, make given stability to children and my wife and, you know, trying to give them that life. Give them you know, the the white picket fence and all this stuff, right. We’ve been trained very well for this

Mike Iamele 26:43
shot. Yeah, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 26:45
Yeah. So I mean, that’s definitely it was, I think, traps kind of a harsh word. But I definitely felt like you know, I had to do that thing, because that’s what was expected. Right.

Mike Iamele 26:56
So we’re better word be obligated. obligated. Good. Okay, that’s good. Okay, cool. So what, then if you felt conflicted, you felt obligated? What would you have wanted to feel ideal world if you could just magically have the perfect situation? What would you have wanted to feel in that situation? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:12
I mean, it should be easy, right? ease is what you know, ease, there should be no tension if you’re doing the thing that you’re in alignment in life.

Mike Iamele 27:21
Right. Right. So just flow II happening, okay. And maybe agency rights, not obligation, you’re choosing it, you’re just kind of Right, right. I

Brandon Handley 27:30
mean, I’m taking, you know, look like if you just take money out of the whole thing, like in this situation, like, Can you just go do what you want without money? Right, then then it’s easier, right? Like, like, maybe

Mike Iamele 27:41
you’re passionate, right? Because you know what?

Brandon Handley 27:45
I’m a 5050 on the word passion. Okay. I don’t like to flame out on something, right? Because, like you like, you know, what is it? Is it better? What is it better to burn out? Definitely anyways, man, I don’t want to I don’t want to use it. I don’t. And it’s a trigger word, obviously, for me, right? You know, being passionate about something because I want I want to follow it through again, with ease, like, You figure if you’re passionate about something, it’s burning, all that energy is burning up quickly. Right. And, and it has the opportunity to dissipate, but at the same time, it could you know, be the igniter of the fire. But that’s where I’m at with that.

Mike Iamele 28:21
I’m just gonna call it one thing. So I think it’s really interesting here. First of all, you know, anytime we have a triggering word, it’s where we have energy, right? So it doesn’t mean that this is a word that we’re interested in using. But what it means that there’s something in this concept that feels interesting. And I think what’s really fascinating for me, is we’ve talked about a lot of words, the very igniting very, very before we talked about amplifying and energizing for sure, excited, but we want something sustainable. So we just learned, okay for you. It’s got to be a sustainable version of that. That’s great, because all we’re doing is mapping how your mind works right now. Right? All right. Now, last thing, close your eyes one more time. And I want you to think of the happiest day of your life, or one of the happiest moments that comes up. And I want you You can tell me about if you want, but I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 29:09
So I mean, I have to say it was probably when my first son was born. Right? Um, man is just, there’s just nothing. Nothing really compares to that. Right. I’m one of those reasons is, is you know, I never thought I was going to be a dad, right? I didn’t have like a good dad experience. And so for this opportunity to just kind of present itself. I was like, this is awesome, right? I get to be a dad. I was like, I’m not gonna suck at this. Like, that was like the one thing I knew I wasn’t gonna suck at. Right. So I was happy to take that on and to, you know, be able to have that role in my life, you know?

Mike Iamele 29:48
So, you know, and that’s beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. So I know you felt you know, happy. What else would you say? What did you feel in that moment?

Brandon Handley 29:57
I mean, touched right. Like that’s like, you know, we It’s probably you know, if I, if I’m looking back, you know, connecting the dots backwards, I’m sure that I’ve been touched by source like several times, but like it was one of those recognizable times you just like literally feel blessed. Right? And I’m not I’m not I’m not a Jesus guy. I’m not a god and by but like, you know, you feel blessed you feel touched in that moment. So that,

Mike Iamele 30:23
yes, beautiful, and I’m getting the sense that you can correct me from your I’m wrong here. But that there’s a sense of alignment. Like it almost feels like this was meant to be or kinda Yeah,

Brandon Handley 30:32
look, I mean, it’s just there’s no other way, right? I’ve got a friend of mine who’s up in Boston as well, you guys just should connect. He gave me the acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative.

Mike Iamele 30:43
Yeah. Oh, this is beautiful. All right. All right. So you’re I only picked these moments because these are emotionally charged. And we’re gonna get you know, squeezed the most juice out of the emotionally charged moments. For everybody listening, you know, if you go check out that webinar, Mike on mlb.com slash map, it’s a little bit more in depth, but I’m trying to keep it brief for everyone here. So one thing we’ve seen is we’ve seen a huge theme across your life of this feeling, you know, wanting to make people want yourself feeling energized in the flow, a sense of ease, you know, a sense of being touched or blessed by things, connecting and Amplifying Voices, whether you’re, you know, club promoting, you’re amplifying a message or energize people amplifying the voices. When you’re doing that with podcasting, for sure you’re doing that, you know, I’m sure that these are, you know, lessons that you want to send your kids or your child, so you know, helping to energize them helping to amplify their voice making them feel they have a strong voice, and they matter. These are themes that I’ve gone through your life, I’m gonna guess that if you look back to some of those traumatic moments of your life, you might feel there were points where you didn’t feel like your voice could be spread out far and wide, or you didn’t feel energized,

Brandon Handley 31:51
suppressed, for sure,

Mike Iamele 31:53
exactly. And so we’re gonna see those shadows, the exact opposite to what we talked about, they’re gonna start to, you know, to articulate some of the darkest moments of your life. And now we can start, let’s say, all right, and I have with my best friends, yeah, I feel this. I feel like my voice matters. I can speak up, I feel energized, I feel excited this ease this flow. When I talk to these, you know, really awkward people and people I don’t really like I don’t feel those things. It’s

Brandon Handley 32:15
like a blanket, right? I mean.

Mike Iamele 32:18
So what we’re doing here is we’re just mapping your sensitivities, we’re understanding and you can go back and use this work for past trauma. You can use it for healing, you can use it for business building, because now we know all right, you do really well, when you have guests on who are energizing and exciting and alive. You love connecting with people, you love Amplifying Voices of people who matter to you. So you need to make sure that you’ve got guests on that you really believe in their mission, and you’re excited about it, and they want to help amplify your podcast too. And now all of a sudden, start changing the business decisions you make and how you show up. And you asked me before you know about vulnerability and authenticity. For me, if I mean for you, it’s really going to be about showing up with energy and that voice and giving the message because that’s what you do when you’re most authentic. And I just think I mean, this is my shoddy way of doing it with you today. But I think it’s so beautiful when we know that because again, it’s like we turn on the lights. And now we can practice hitting that Bullseye doesn’t mean we’re gonna hit every time, right? We know how now,

Brandon Handley 33:13
right? So now that was awesome, man, I really enjoyed I enjoyed that. And and you know, that practice would be built into your branding, right? So a lot of a lot of times I think that people will be like, Hey, I don’t I don’t know, my art type is right. Or I don’t know what my you know, I don’t know what my niches I don’t know, I hate the word niche. I don’t do niches right. Like and so, or, you know, you know, I don’t want what’s the you know, avatars are dumb man, you know, so. So, this this practice sounds like it, it kind of can substitute for some of those marketing pieces, right? Or branding pieces without robbing the the non marketer guy or girl wrong, right?

Mike Iamele 33:57
Absolutely. Well, I think one thing you said that was really interesting is you talked about how so much of your identity was in what you did. And then podcasting and it’s really hard to let go of. And I don’t think that that is abnormal. You know, a lot of us we do one of two things, the big containers in our lives, our relationships, or jobs, right? Those are the two containers where we’re talking about life purpose, we’re probably talking about one of those two things. And the thing is, those are just containers for those energies to flow that we just talked about. So is your healing. So is your morning routine. So is the way you get dressed. So is the way you decorate your house. So is the way you do yard work, or your friendships like these are all just different containers. And when we are so attached to a container, it means we don’t really know what the essence is, because we don’t think we can get that same essence somewhere else, right? When we know that essence. It’s like, oh, that job went away. Now how can I make my new job? You know, be connecting and energizing and amplifying all these things? And then we’re going to start to look at like, Alright, where am I gonna fight for my voice in this job? Where am I gonna win? What am I not willing? To settle on, and what am I willing to settle on? And that’s really important to me. Because when it comes to marketing, you know, a lot of people think it’s something really different and hard and complex. And the truth is, it’s just another container. I had no plan for this conversation. And you know, sure one of my energies is vulnerable. So I show up and I share whatever it feels called. And I’m zany, and I’m loud. And I like to be crazy and play a little bit. And that is part of how my energy flows. I don’t know, what do you call this marketing right now? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s just me being myself. Sure. So is working with people and so is, you know, getting to teach live and hanging out with my husband and the way I dress? Right? Well, I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:40
not for nothing, right? Like, so I mean, what’s your, your, your, your kind of like zona genius, or, you know, whatever you want to call it is, is, is being able to help somebody get clarity on themselves? Right.

Unknown Speaker 35:50
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:52
Right. Right. Right. And that’s a real challenge. I think that for an individual to go through I think, I think, and this has been my experience, right? I think it’s a real challenge for a lot of people who would like to get into podcasts and YouTube and whatever, you know, the the, is there a name for like, what’s happening like now like, in in the kind of industry, it’s not like just social marketing, but maybe it is right. But the deal is to try and run at it alone can be very frustrating, and especially when they see how easy it is for Mike. Right.

Mike Iamele 36:27
Thank you for saying that. Because I love to, you know, share all my vulnerabilities. Believe me, everything I said earlier, looks graceful in retrospect, it’s not it’s never retro, you know, graceful in the moment. And I think the thing is, you know, we do this work, because this system can run independently of me, like, you can go check out that webinar, you can go, you know, sign up for our course, later on, like, eight works, because everybody thinks they’re all over the place. Everybody thinks, oh, Mike, but my jobs they don’t even make sense. They’re not remotely similar. You don’t know. I can tell you that’s true of me. Right? I work in health care form. And then I’m, you know, this herbalist, and then I’m like the spiritual teacher, I don’t know what the heck I was doing. But you know what, it all boils down to connecting dots. Here’s the thing. I literally align vulnerabilities and people’s zaniness and idiosyncrasies to help to free them from the stories and make them successful and understand that unmistakable ality that my energies told me that they told me what I do, and everyone else’s do your lived experience has the blueprint for success, the blueprint for fulfillment, because you have been successful somewhere in life. Yes, that’s all Yeah, we can map Why then we start to understand your formula. That’s not something exclusive to me. I know people listen, I said, screw you, guy. Like you don’t know what I’ve been through. That’s not I can promise you that because I thought I was the most fucked up of all.

Brandon Handley 37:47
Well, and I think that you bring up a good point there too, once you kind of understand the pattern, right? Once you once you understand how you can connect one or two dots, like you can connect the third. Yeah, fourth, or fifth, right? So going through the work, right, what would you say that means to you?

Mike Iamele 38:09
It’s a bold question. So you know, the work can mean many things. So if we’re talking specifically about sacred branding, which for me, it’s all the same, like the work spiritual work for me is safer branding, because it went about the person going through it like, like, so if somebody’s going through sacred branding with you, and they have to do the work.

Brandon Handley 38:27
Right. What does that mean? So

Mike Iamele 38:29
it means, you know, basically committing to your energies, here’s the thing that will happen. Inevitably, almost every person who’s done my work, will after a year or two years, say, oh, Mike, I went through a monumental shift in my life, I got to redo it, my energies are wrong, I got to redo it. And what’s happening there is not that their energy is wrong, because anyone we’ve done this with wife, kids, anyone over the age of 13, their vocabulary and their conceptualization of language isn’t changing enough for their energies to change. What’s happening is their understanding of those energies is changing. And so what it’s asking for is intimacy. intimacy is when we commit to something and we learn more about it, it’s a lot easier to just run away and try to change say, this is

Brandon Handley 39:11
one more time and intimacy is what

Mike Iamele 39:13
Yeah, when we commit to something and learn more about it and ourselves and when we’re deepening right? If we commit to a relationship, a relationship is gonna challenge us of course, we have to learn about ourselves, we have to learn about our partner through that relationship. But if we every time we get challenged, run away, that’s not intimacy. That’s not commitment. So what doing the work is is actually committing saying, alright, what can this interview this moment right now teach me about aligned, zany, free, unmistakable every fight I have every you know, challenge my life is to ask myself, what can I learn right now about success? What don’t I know about it? And it starts teaching me more about myself. And then we start doing deconditioning because here’s the thing we’ve got a lot of toxic conditioning in our society, both some we’ve talked about on this podcast, but also some we haven’t. And that’s not a That’s not something we’re born with. We were born was

Brandon Handley 40:02
like, What? Yeah, what’s one or two?

Mike Iamele 40:04
I’m talking about misogyny and racism and homophobia. I’m talking about, you know, beliefs about making money and spirituality. I mean, there’s a lot of conditioning out there. And so when we we weren’t born with that we were born sensitivities. So we weren’t born with conditioning.

Brandon Handley 40:19
What’s the deconditioning? Well,

Mike Iamele 40:20
what I’m saying is that if we to know what we aren’t, we have to know what we are. And when we know those brand answers, I used to ask myself, what about this moment isn’t actually vulnerable or unmistakable? What’s wrong here? What do I believe that’s not actually that, and when I can anchor it to something, I can pull out what isn’t that it starts I mean, we do this at the higher levels of the work, but it starts to become a lot easier to say, Hey, you know what, I’m ready to let go of that belief. Because actually, I can see my truth, and I can feel it. And you know, I it’s a sensitivity so I can literally feel it in my body, it’s not just a thought I have in my mind, it’s something that I can feel and you know, at higher levels, we start thinking about, okay, let me feel what successful feels like my body. Now, let me feel unsuccessful. And so when I walk into a room, and my stomach tightens, immediately, I know I feel unsuccessful, I’m gonna say no to that opportunity, it starts becoming intuitive because your body, it’s your senses, right? Your taste, touch smell, it can tell you these things, your thoughts, your conditioning can’t do that, because it’s not really who you are. So the more we start tuning into who we are, we can actually trust our intuition more, we can trust our bodies more. And that’s why we get better at hitting that bull’s eye, right? Because now we know the opportunities that will lead us to success, you know, the flow with the universe. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:32
you tell me, tell me about tuning into your intuition, right? And how, how do you begin to trust that intuition, right? It’s funny, because guys, anybody’s listening to podcast knows that. Nine times out of 10, I’ll jack up a name. and nine times out of 10. I know, I should have asked before we got going. And what’s funny is that, before we got going on the podcast, they like followed his intuition. You know, also something that maybe it not only you know, is has he had the experience of people butchering his last name, but he knew, connected like an intuition to me and said, Hey, do you need to know how to pronounce my last name? Sure. Right. So how do you, you know, how, how do you begin to trust your intuition? And not just in a negative sense, right? Because a lot of people are like, Oh, I shouldn’t do this. And and they follow that to a fucking tee, right? Like, like, Oh, I shouldn’t? If it’s a no, I’ll follow that. Sure. But how do we encourage people to follow their yeses?

Mike Iamele 42:34
You know, I think it’s the same thing we talked about with intimacy before and commitment. It’s really about saying like, Okay, first of all, if my energy is vulnerable, I know that when I am in safe, vulnerable space, I’m going to be more intuitive. I know that when I speak a lot, like I do a lot of processing, just speaking out loud. It’s why I can’t shut up, you’re probably like, Mike Shut up. I can’t because that’s when things start flowing. For me, I know that I know, vulnerable. So what will I do to do that? Well, sometimes I’ll close my eyes when I want to be intuitive to be more vulnerable. And what starts to happen over time is, the more I do it, and for me, it’s got to be in safe space with people I can be vulnerable with, I practice being intuitive for a long, long time with people I trust to like it. So I internalized that vulnerability. Because at first, we think it’s outside of us, right, we’ve got to be in the perfect vulnerable condition. And we’ve got to be in the perfect zany, you know, where people can be playful. But over time, we internalize that sensitivity. And now I don’t care who’s around me, I don’t care if you think I’m fucking crazy, I’m gonna be vulnerable, I’m gonna be who I am. And trust my intuition. And so I think, for me, it really starts with knowing again, I mean, I am obsessed with the brand energies, I’m obsessed with my work because it’s knowing who we are. And then it’s just tuning into that and practicing, it’s throwing at that bull’s eye over and over and over again, until we know we can hit it. But we can’t practice if we don’t turn on the lights. So we need to connect those dots.

Brandon Handley 43:57
Awesome. So you’re, you’re you’re lined up with your purpose, you’re fully charged. Can your purpose change?

Mike Iamele 44:04
So great question. I love you throw the good ones at me. So your containers can absolutely change. And they do change containers, the temporary relationships and your physical body changes your desire for sex changes, your, you know, your home changes, your job changes all these things. But what you want from that, and what you give to that doesn’t change, because that’s your senses that you’ve had since you were born. So I teach classes on your sex intimacy all the time. And people always say this while my body’s changing my desires changing all the time. But sex that’s just about getting off. isn’t all that interesting, in my opinion, like, sure it can sustain us for a little while. It’s not interesting. We always want something specific from sex. It’s to us, we might want a space of vulnerability, a space where we can be playful and explore our deepest fantasies, a space where we can explore submission or dominance or whatever. That’s what we actually want and would probably want to explore that over time. Now, the definition of what that looks like is going to dange vulnerable sex to me today very different than it’s going to be in 50 years. I understand that. But I still know when I’m actually looking for. And so I don’t have to be so attached to the container like you before with Oh, the podcast is the only way I can say that. Yeah, exactly. We let that go. And now we just have the essence. You know, you

Brandon Handley 45:19
bring up a good one, too. In the sex energy piece, I actually had somebody reach out and ask about, you know, why, you know why I might think that, you know, nuns, priests monks, abstain, right? Or even how does sexuality play out in spirituality? Right, is spirituality like? And the question was, was it is, are they missing it? Right, maybe, like, maybe they missed, like, just how the connected in spirituality was. But I think that kind of what I’m hearing you say a little bit too is like, if we just follow our basic needs, like the running as it were, right? That’s not so spiritual. Whereas you can explore these vulnerabilities and make that into a spiritual, evolving experience.

Mike Iamele 46:07
Well, I think what we’re talking about here is empty containers, right, we have a bunch of them in our life, so we can buy beautiful art, or we can shop at home goods, I’m not shaming anything about that. But the Home Goods piece isn’t gonna make me feel something as deeply as an artist putting their intention in because it’s full of assets. And so we’ve got a lot of, you know, like, sex feels good. Most people like sex, but it’s not going to nourish us deeply if it’s not full of essence. So it’s just kind of like, Alright, this is a biological need, I get off, this feels good. And I move on. And now I didn’t have that deeper transformation. I didn’t work through my shame or trauma, I didn’t feel this great, you know, divinity or connection with God, I just thought, that’s cool, but it’s empty. And over time, it’s slowly killing us. Like we live in a world right now, where we are not sensitive enough, we’re not we’re numbing out, right, we have an opioid epidemic going on right now. Um, you know, there’s a lot of whether we are coping through this pandemic, with, you know, food, or drugs, or alcohol, or movies or TV. And those coping mechanisms aren’t inherently bad in themselves, but they can be ways of escapism, and this association, right, for sure. And what I always say is, look at art, great art, when an artist puts their heart and soul on it, it moves us, he can make paintings dance, and spark cultural revolutions and political movements and make words jump off the page. It makes us feel alive, it makes us feel more sensitive. When we feel essence, when we feel someone so tapped into their essence, we become more sensitive, not to them, but to our own essence, because that’s what we grow up that

Brandon Handley 47:38
no, yeah. And you know, that that also brings up the whole idea of, you know, look, our energy fields, right, raising our BB around people that are, you know, high vibe, right? Where is is as long as you and I are like connected in the same way, a kind of vibratory field if I’m vibe and higher, and I’m, you know, strong with that, like, I can help bring you up, right, and vice versa, or transfer transfer feeling without like, craziness.

Mike Iamele 48:04
I mean, it’s basically our vibe is naturally high when we’re fully here and fully ourselves. And so yes,

Brandon Handley 48:10
it’s part like the essence part. I know you said essence like several times, would you would you? Would you? Would you liken that to connected to source

Mike Iamele 48:18
Sure. Exactly. Connected to source, lifeforce energy, and we know what sexual energy if we’re talking about sex, any of these things, essence brand energies, you know, life purpose, whatever you want to call it. I’m not a stickler on language. And I’ve purposely used a few different language in this talk, because I don’t really care. Like I your brand energies are your own language, you choose that yourself, it’s what resonates for you. But when we are fully in our bodies, and we aren’t, you know, a lot of times we have trauma, so half of me is back in this past memory, and half of me is over here and half, you know, it’s like a Harry Potter Horcrux. Right, we’re split in a million different ways. But if I’m fully fully present, I’ve a lot more power here. And so I want to fully be present and sense the world see, taste, touch, hear smell more of the world. And the more I’m tapped into lines and zany and frayed, that’s how I do that. And that’s how I do it for other people. That’s why I love podcasts, because we just get to hang out and activate people make people more sensitive to themselves and it’s so much fun. And so yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:17
percent i think that’s you know, that’s, that’s, uh, you know, what they, you know, I don’t know how many episodes it took me to get to activate somebody right? Like that’s what this that’s what it’s for. Right? That’s exactly that’s what 100% it’s like, you know, looking for one person out there This podcast is for one person to be activated. Right and so like that’s what you just did you just you know, self when you activate it somebody out there congratulations. Yeah.

Mike Iamele 49:40
And yours while they

Brandon Handley 49:43
love it. I love it. Well, man, look, look anybody. I think you got a great feel for what it is that you kind of deliver even though you know you kept saying shoddy. I think that you know it was very well done. had a lot of fun with having you on here and they would be Recognize that if they should reach out to you that they should, right? And where should they go again? Like,

Mike Iamele 50:07
yeah, so Mike iml.com slash map ma p for mapping your sensitivities, and it’s 36 minutes, you get a whole training, you get a worksheet, it’s free. Go ahead and do that, because you’ll start to know your sensitivities.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Who’s your ideal customer?

Mike Iamele 50:21
Oh, gosh, so many. I mean, people use this word for so many freaking things. But I really love people who haven’t felt at home and other spiritual practices, you know, it feels very dogmatic. It feels like they’ve had to internalize a lot of stuff that doesn’t match up to critical thinking. And I, you know, we’re intelligent beings, like, it doesn’t make sense to talk about purpose as achievable, even though we’re told that like, Oh, your life purpose is to be a life coach, or we say that this pisses me off, you join a life purpose webinar, right? And they do one or two things, they’ll say, at the very end, your life purpose is to love. Great, awesome, I’m all about love. How does that help me with my trauma with my relationship with my business in my marketing, that doesn’t help at all, we’ll go the other way. And they’ll say you love writing your purpose is to be a writer. And again, like you if I internalize that, and I did for a while, well, now when I give up my writing job, I feel I have no purpose.

Brandon Handley 51:13
You want somebody to detach from your sense of a day,

Mike Iamele 51:16
right? We see that with people who go through a divorce or get laid off or lose a job or change jobs. You know, we see this breakup all the time, these problems with mostly its job or its relationship containers, when they break down, we lose our sense of purpose. And that doesn’t make sense. So I really like people who actually want to take some critical thinking and say, wait a minute, let me think about this. Let make sense to me. And then feel right to me in my own language. Hmm.

Unknown Speaker 51:41
Nice.

Brandon Handley 51:42
I love it. Well, man, Mike, thank you so much for coming on and being a guest on spiritual dope today. Yeah, thanks

Mike Iamele 51:47
such an honor.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So as we continue through the book, are you ready to succeed. And as we continue on to the second ripple, which is organizational change, we’re gonna we’re gonna look at how we can, you know, we can look at the idea of how we connect, and how that determines our lives. And then we also look at the idea of, how do we how do we determine how do we differentiate between a pure network contact,

Brandon Handley 0:30
which are cultivated for connections and positions and and all this other stuff? Right? We go after the Hey, what do you do? Oh, man, you could really help me what I do, and let me see how I can use you. And your role for for my gain my company’s gain, right versus a true contact, right? Which is gonna change our intention, how can I? How can I How can I help you out? What is it that you do? How can I help you close a gap? We look at Zig Ziglar. And his old saying, which was, you know, the more you help others to get what they need, the more you can get what you know, help others get what they want, so that you can get what you want type of thing. So that type of intention, and I love that srikumar Rao has in here, whatever you are trying to do, must bring spiritual and material growth to others, right? How can I help you to grow spiritually, and materially, because live that we we live in those two different worlds, and that’s okay. And that is what’s going to begin your organizational change, you know, to change how you connect, how do you connect, let go of the idea that you person or body that you are the orchestrator of the events, it goes back into kind of creating the serendipitous events, how we don’t even know how we are here in existence, let go of the idea that you are the specific orchestrator of events. When when you know, so again, that also goes back to the idea of control what you can control. That’s just kind of like your thoughts and emotions and reactions, responses, that type of thing. Everything outside of that. It’s beyond your control. And again, this is this is this is coming at this with my current level of understanding. Okay, so second ripple, organizational change, when you have the right mixture of passion and detachment, as well as the acceptance of what really happens. So, look, I’m super excited to be involved with some of the technology that I’m involved with, and some of the ideas that I’m working on. But I’m not

Unknown Speaker 3:04
attached

Brandon Handley 3:07
to the outcome, being what I believe it needs to be right. So I think it should come out like this, or even a relationship or dinner, anything, right? I go out at night and get a flat tire, we should go out. I remember one night that Meg and I, you know, went out how to Uber and, you know, the, the date night, we hit a deer on the way home Buber driver hitting you know that that was you know, if I was would have been attached to a certain outcome, that outcome, that wouldn’t have been the outcome, right. And I could have gotten angry or upset that that happened, right? I could have gotten angry the doober driver, you didn’t dodge it or whatever. But I accepted it. We accepted it of what really happened. And again, in technology, or, you know, in the sales business, wherever you are, you know, you’ve got a great idea I made this video, this is what I’m creating. I’d love for it to have thousands and millions of views. Maybe maybe one maybe get zero views and and that’s got to be okay, I’m not doing it just for the likes, or the or any of it. I’m doing it because I enjoy it. I’m doing it because I believe that there’s value for you to go through it as well. I believe there’s value in these concepts and ideas. And the more that I learned about them, the more that I put them into my own mind, the more that I could bring bring into the world with them, if that makes sense. All right. So also think about the idea and like he says, you know, in an army, you know, you create these different connections, right you can, you’ve gone through this organizational change, and army will show up to support you the moment that you need it. You ever, you know, once you realize that you’re not the person that needs to To create and do it all, soon as you realize that you’re a member of a team, and you’re willing to be a supporter in that team. This is something that I, you know, eight years working at Cisco, I think taught me. So I went in there and I just wanted to help and

Unknown Speaker 5:19
do

Brandon Handley 5:20
do well with others and help them along. And, and the idea is that it wasn’t for just six, I just wanted to help. That’s wanted to make sure that the work that I was doing, was helping another person, get their sales, again, helping them to get what they need, so that I get what I wanted type of thing. But not even that wasn’t even even wasn’t even done with that intent. I just wanted to do the work. And I want to do it because these were good people. And, and they showed it all the time, I they would turn back around, and they would support me all the time. How but it also reminds me to have the idea of an army of angels that I had an interview with like a Mar, the deal is like, Listen, whatever you’re putting out there, as long as you’re putting out there, like good stuff, you’re supporting others and trying to help others. The moment you need them, the moment you need that army of angels, they are going to show up and support you. In the in the chapter of an ideal life under organizational change, he’s got a James Allen quote, about the golden opportunities that will present themselves on your path. And honestly, this is always happening, going back up to the idea that there’s going to be obstacles in your way, those obstacles. Man, I really, I still don’t like the book. But you know, the obstacle is the way that obstacle, that challenge is, is the golden opportunity. What is it that’s in there, if there’s an obstacle in there, it’s going to take some type of growth out from you from your team, from your ability to change perspectives, you simply need to identify it as such, and move forward on that, can I make this larger, let me make this larger. On the screen that is so that’s that James Allen, quote, golden opportunities present themselves on your path. As you continue through, going through this, this change, right books and other aids, will, that you need, will come to you unsought. also understand that the books for reflect

Unknown Speaker 7:27
your current

Brandon Handley 7:28
level of understanding, and often contains the keys that you seek. I think of this in the terms of, look, I went through my awakening or conscious change, you know, that was a pretty dramatic, I don’t, I didn’t, I didn’t understand the language that I needed to use, I couldn’t understand it, because I hadn’t been exposed to it before. I had no understanding. And I needed I need to these books that again, this is one of the books that came to, to my, to my aid, so that I could go ahead and I could grow in it, and could learn. So as we’ve got the, you know, the different levels of understanding that you’re going to get from these books. You know, again, you’re you’ve already got kind of queries in your mind, right? You’ve already got thought thoughts and ideas of how things are working, you’ve already got different ways of understanding. And what you’re looking for is how do you teach that to others? How can you share that out? Right? I can’t tell you the number of books that have just, that just continue to pop up in my life for the past like three, three and a half, four years that have helped me to understand

Unknown Speaker 8:58
me,

Brandon Handley 8:58
right, who’ve helped me to understand all of all, all of what I’m going through with you right now. In Are you ready to succeed? And, you know, movies, anything really once once you once you kind of develop this, this idea of any you don’t even notice it right? Really, this is kind of looking forward if you haven’t already seen this for yourself. So Steve Jobs quote is you you can only connect the dots going backwards. Another interesting just kind of a tidbit here, my kids read this book, Deuteronomy Stilton. And what was interesting and I thought that it was cool that they did this they they needed keys to the crystal cavern or something like that. And and there was a crystal key that they have to find within the book. Right that that seed is planted in their mind that the keys are within the book, right? They had to find these images of the the key Within the book, and you know, they don’t see it that way right now I guarantee it, right. But my current level of understanding is, Wow, that’s really cool that they put actual keys within the book that would help them to unlock different different things. And that’s probably not the way the author intends it. But it could be wrong. This book will help you to powerfully connect in ways so that you are in harmony with your values. And to me it has, and I believe, I believe for you that it could otherwise otherwise I wouldn’t be taken this much effort to to share it all out with you. If your current level of connecting is, you know, how can that person benefit me in my life? How can I go to network to you know, climb a ladder type of mentality? Can you get there and that way? Yes. How will you feel in the end? You know, can you get there? And what’s that going to look like? That’s a you know, that’s just a question that I’ve got for you versus, you know, we talked about the different ways that we connect right and how to differentiate that become a light that intersects with other lights creating a unified and brighter spot the ideas of like different spotlights on the stage, the idea of you being a light spotlighting somebody else. And what’s great for them out there. When you know, you’re driving up a vehicle, car, when you have the headlights go they they are they are set so that they they they intersect each other in a brighter space in front of the vehicle. So they will you know, you could do you have to manually adjust them, at least you did at one point so that they face is called light alignment. And you need to adjust those headlights so that they intersect at a certain place where the beams will intersect facing down in front of you. And where they intersect. They create a brighter light and they work together as a team. So if you’re working again as a team and not as an individual, as a part of the greater whole, as a part of the all then you you will create that stronger ripple that was discussed.

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What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

Transcript below machine generated

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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Grateful to be able to share this episode out with you, Kohdi is a survivor of liver failure and realizes that there is much more to life than the average human is willing to take a look at… take a listen and let Kohdi know that you heard him here on Spiritual Dope!

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Synopsis:

Kohdi Rayne… Master of all kinds of marketing  “A Communication Artist”

  • Mantis Program
  • Course Creators Academy (powered by the Mantis Program)
  • Podcast:  The Visceral Human Podcast
  • Hitchhiker’s Guide to Video
  • And more!

Systems in life:

Systems are important. Having structure:

“The way you do one thing is the way you do everything”

  • We are a system 
  • Processes and data intake.
  • Power of choice.

BH: The universe speaks through us. What message do the listeners need to hear from you?

KR: 

  • Surrendering to the moment.
  • Removing judgements.  
  • Just being in THIS moment. 
  • Being one with moment.

KR: Discusses looking into the reflection not at it, realizing “Kohdi you are not wasting time. You’re seriously experiencing the illusion of it.” 

He continues “And so it was that moment today, this morning, that I was so in the moment, in the expression, that I was actually practicing ‘Dynamic Freedom… Those thought are in your head because that’s what you actually want to do. Those are the things that you’re interested in.”

What does this mean? Go. Do the things. There are no restrictions. “Practice this. Get in the moment. Be more in the moment. And that’s why, once again, man (he chuckles) today is the best day of my life, Brother!”

BH mentions a transformational coach he recently interviewed on the business side of things, asking “How do we integrate our spiritual side into our robotic work side?’” She has her clients do the mirror work. Say “I’m here with myself…” BH says to the Spiritual Dope listeners: “Give this a shot.”

KR interjects that he knows about mirror work but he’s never done it. So, he would say “When we feel like we’re doing work–even having that word “work” in there–it already has that connotation that it’s going to be difficult… I don’t like work. I like doing.” He goes on to explain that over the last few months he has been really diving more and more  into who he really is and who he really wants to be. So today it was natural for him, not work. It was just an energetic pull. He looked at the reflection and decided “I’m going to give you a moment of my time.”

BH: “The illusion of time. We feel obligated, like you got to be doing this. You got to be doing that.”

So it sounds to BH that KH is not looking at himself as a unit of production anymore, but as a human being.” (KR agrees, smiling) 

BH: Mentions this reminds him of the Banksy thing “If you want to achieve greatness stop asking for permission.”

KR wonders is this experience he had a coincidence because of the podcast today? “I don’t know. That’s the exciting part about being.”

KR is excited about these types of moments, because he is in a constant state of curiosity and growth. He knows it, he feels it, he repeats it to himself. “I am it. It’s a staple in my being to be in a place of evolution.” He talks about how you surrender. He feels the feelings, he feels the tears well up, he looked at his own smile and took note of it, realizing “I am just being. I’m just one. I feel good. I am excepting these things, and yeah just removing those permissions.” He understands he’s granting the permission to himself but restricting access at the same time, which is a conflict. So, he lets go of the restriction.

BH: “What does it mean to become more of the person you are? Who do you feel like you are?”

KR: “You are your truths. You are what you say you are. So, I mean thoughts.”

BH: “You rise to your level of thinking, so who do you think you are?”

KR: “Right. Right… When you think of ‘Who do you think you are?’ it puts people in a place of contrast, of going ‘Who do I want to be? Who am I comparing myself to?’ There is nobody that’s going to do a better job at being you than you.” For him “I am who I say I am and I am happy.”

BH: “When did you first fully become aware? Do you feel that you’re becoming more aware, and what does that mean to you?”

KR: Over the last two months, being surrounded by like-minded people all working on these things like boundaries, connections, spiritual enlightenment, what he has noticed about self-awareness is “You think you’ve got it, and then you level up. You think you understand it and then you actually understand, and then you feel it, you experience it. It’s a whole different level.”

For him, self-awareness comes down to absolute truth, removing filters and restrictions and being 100% honest. Self-awareness is “literally connecting to as much of your personal truths as possible. It doesn’t matter what the truth is, because you believe it when you are honest with yourself… when you can connect with those things, because of the truths, because of what you’ve told yourself, how you feel about them you are more real with everything and everyone, and more importantly more real with yourself.”

This leads to happiness, success, abundance in amazing ways. “Self-awareness is realizing you are in a place of growth and you don’t know everything. It’s knowing what you like, what you don’t like. Even not knowing what you like and don’t like is still something that you know. So, when you’re in that place of uncertainty then you’re aware of this. It’s looking at these things going ‘I am unsure, I’m confused, or I am really centered and focused on this and [it] feels good to me. I’m going to use this belief to guide my behavior in a positive way… you just ‘do’“.

BH talks about how when you peel back to societal layers and restrictions you realize you were serving all of them, but not really serving yourself. “So how are you applying this to your business? How is your life different, weaving together life practice/spiritual practice?”

KR: “I build a cerebral Super-Suit for entrepreneurs to connect more deeply with their core audience. The reality of that is you’ve got to step into the shoes of your clients, of your customers, of the people you serve. I don’t care if it’s the homeless guy… I don’t care if it’s this, I don’t care what solution you’re providing or what you’re doing in life. When it comes down to really expanding your business it doesn’t come down to the tech. That’s the easy stuff. It doesn’t come down to your sequences and your landing pages and all that stuff that’s easy. Connecting with the people that you serve comes from my place of oneness of understanding of self… the spiritual enlightenment along this journey of personal growth, you’re actually opening yourself to understand and feel and have more compassion for the people that you’re most likely to benefit. More importantly, how they’re going to benefit from you.“

“The stronger you’re connected to yourself, the more likely you’re going to be able to connect to the people that are going to benefit from your products and service.”

BH equates it to tuning yourself like a crystal, a radio dial to your clients, to the people you can serve. 

KR says that clients are really connecting, developing real relationships and friendships, thinking of each other even outside of business hours, etc.. “When you’re in a place of curiosity, in genuine growth, and you recognize that you’re there you listen more, you really don’t have to speak as much. We have one mouth and two ears. We are meant to listen.” He explains that this means that when you do talk your words have more value and impact. 

In relating to clients in the digital space, he’s noticing that “the more self-aware you are, the more connected you are with the universe and how you relate to it and more importantly how it is relating to you. When he writes copy, says words, creates a video and those kind of things he is creating with purpose and positive intent. So, some of the people receiving these things connect with the energy and feels the intent that was present when he wrote it. These are the people that he attracts and why he is having such a great time doing what he does!

BH elucidates that some people give the “like”, the “thumbs up”, but other people really connect and feel the power and the awesomeness. They get where you’re coming from. And maybe the former one day come around more like the latter. That’s why it’s good that people can come back to the content later and connect. He calls that the “Power of influence.” It’s out there and people connect to it right away, while maybe other people come back and find the connection later when the time is right for them on their journey.

KR believes that there is no real original. These thoughts and ideas have all already happened. It’s more about alignment. Being pushed towards or pulled towards something at the right time. 

To harness this, KR has developed a practice of using whiteboard wallpaper and notepads all around the house in areas where he frequently hangs out. Recognizing words, thoughts and things that stand out. Words come up once, twice, at different times. Then he says that later you go back and “connect the dots.” He believes we’re just doodling and brainstorming constantly. When words or people or things that are mentioned come up twice or keep coming up, “Get interested!” It means that you’re being pulled. It’s worth your time to go with these impactful things. Follow up!

  • See it once: It’s got your interest 
  • See it twice: Start to focus 
  • See it a third time: You’re hooked!

KR discusses how our subconscious minds are always very active. “Somewhere along the way, your mind picked up on it and it needs clarity. There’s an open loop somewhere that you’ve got to close.”

KR says that we need to get a bunch of notebooks and “elaborate!”:

  • What happiness and success means to you. 
    • “Define what happiness looks like, smells like, tastes like, feels like.” 
      • When we write it all and get clarity, that is programming. So we’ll be looking out for it. 

BH asks Kohdi to discuss when he started getting into the whole “programming thing”

KR discusses being a liver failure survivor. When you’re on your deathbed, surrendering to the universe, why justify the things that got your to that point? It makes no sense. Instead reevaluate. It’s an opportunity to be “a whole new me.” He calls it “Self-auditing”.

When you start thing about happiness and success and you’re telling yourself “No that’s not going to work. Whoa! Whoa! I just told me ‘no.’ WTF?!? And I believed that? What just happened? I just shut myself down. I can do anything, and I said ‘no’ to me?! Why is that a thing? I can do it. I am doing it. It’s happening. Go!… You’re developing healthy thought patterns. ‘I can…’ ‘I can’t..’ NO! It just is.

Yes!’ Well then, I’m going to keep doing those things.” Practicing these healthy behaviors and habits, the repetition creates the neurological connections.

BH discusses how there are people that aren’t dying, or that have a safe life. “How do we get people to recognize they’ve got these patterns that aren’t serving them, even though they’ve got ‘a good or safe life’?”

KR says that you’ve got to ask them, “Is this familiar to you? Is this what you do? Is this your thing? Okay. Have you done anything else? Have you tried anything else?… If you keep doing the same things you get the same exact results… If we keep living in a place of familiarity and comfort, we are never gonna get comfortable with being uncomfortable and we’re never gonna grow. Is this as good as it gets? Is this how you want it to be? Is this what you really want? Seriously. Ask yourself this question: Is this what I really want? Is this how I really want to feel? If I can relive this, my state of being [until] the end of my existence, is that good enough for me? Can I achieve more? Goodness! Is this how you really want it to be?” 

He goes on to say, “Nine times out of ten it’s ’NO!’ Even in a healthy place,” and, “if I get complacent here, I get no more results. I have to keep on growing.”

BH asks: “what are some other things that you would hit on in this space that you would share with anybody… in terms of leading with spirituality?”

KR: Discusses moving past the closed-mindedness and doing things like being open-minded. This led him to begin “posting with purpose,” and things begin to perfectly align or line up to fall into place where someone received that post and the intention behind it, which ultimately led to him landing in Texas and experiencing more growth than ever before.“

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  • user avatarbrandon handley00:08All right. Very cool.
  • 00:10Very cool. Well, they’ll start it off in 54321 Hey there, spiritual dope. I’m on today with Kohdi Rayne is like he’s a master of all kinds of marketing. He’s got the Mantis programs got this podcast Visceral Human
  • 00:27He has a course creators Academy that’s powered by the mantas program you’re looking to get into video
  • 00:33Code is your guy, he’s got the Hitchhiker’s Guide to video. He’s got so much other he’s got so much going on. I personally kind of wonder like how you keep it all together. But you know, it’s obvious to me that you’ve got a system of implementation.
  • 00:46And you just kind of rock it out because you do have your systems in place, but man, thanks for joining us today. How you doing,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program00:52Hey, thank you so much brother is such a pleasure to be here. Yeah. Man systems in life so many things that we, I love that you talk about systems because we are a system.
  • 01:04We are a series of processes that are constantly executing. We’re taking a new devil data developing it, we are processing that data, making decisions utilizing our power of choice and for me.
  • 01:17My brain has been really scattered my whole life, because we’ll just say ADHD and all these other random things. And so for me, systems and all that stuff is very, very, I don’t want to say it’s necessary, but it is important.
  • 01:31And so for me, kind of having that structure is, you know, the one way you do one thing is what you do everything so
  • 01:39I structure my life.
  • 01:40And that reflects in my business man. So with that, yeah, I got a lot going down constantly emotion constantly thinking about the things that a lot of people tend to ignore.
  • 01:50And I appreciate you for having me, man. Today is the best day of my life and I’m so excited. I get to share it with you.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:55Now, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I always tell people I’ve waited my entire life for this moment right
  • 02:01Right.
  • 02:01I mean, because here we are. I mean we everything’s everything’s built up to this moment.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program02:04Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley02:05As far as we know, right up until now.
  • 02:07So, so, you know, I think you started off with something pretty well there and and i think it would tie into this piece, but I’m gonna go ahead and ask this piece anyways because it may may hit you differently, right. So,
  • 02:19We, we agree, like the kind of universe speaks through us. Right. And that like when somebody listens to this podcast. It’s gonna
  • 02:26They’re gonna hear something that you and I didn’t even hear right in between our dial. I think like that these guys, this is what they’re talking about. Oh my god. So to that person through you today. What, what message do they need to hear me to the universe.
  • 02:42The universe, Dorian,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program02:43Hey, yo. Gotcha. Man, if I was to speak to anybody. My message to
  • 02:48Everyone at all times. It is, isn’t it, it is oneness to what happens when I’m sorry what’s most important is what’s happening right this very second right this second.
  • 03:03In a perfect kind of will say execution of that or example is I woke up today.
  • 03:08And pleasure to be here right woke up. It’s amazing. And for whatever reason, had a song stuck in my head. I don’t remember my dreams or anything, per se, but I do remember waking up with a feeling
  • 03:19But then I also remember kind of surrendering to the thoughts and then I put on some music wasn’t sure what was going to play and that first song just
  • 03:26Just hit man, it means so well you know when music hits you, that you don’t feel any pain.
  • 03:33And so it hit me really hard and I had to kind of surrender to the moment and allow myself to remove judgment to remove you know will say the permissions. I might be asking for to express myself.
  • 03:48And I just stood in the middle of the room in his eyes closed and just listen to this song and try to express myself, honestly.
  • 03:57And I’m just in a moment. Man, am I thinking about what’s going on for the rest of day. I’m not worried about what happened to me. I’m not worried about the projects and backlogs and clients and business. None of that stuff.
  • 04:09I’m seriously just being one with the moments just looking at it, breathing filling my heart rate feeling this my skin. The breeze from the fan above me.
  • 04:20And I’m just in the moment and I went to the mirror. I looked at myself and for whatever reason, I looked at myself a little bit longer than normal. It’s one thing to recognize yourself.
  • 04:31To experience your reflection. But for me, I felt like I was looking into a whole nother world but connecting at the same time. And I realized that Cody, you’re not wasting time. You’re seriously experiencing the illusion of it.
  • 04:48And so it was that moment the today this morning that I was so in the moments in the expression. I was actually practicing dynamic freedom.
  • 05:02My ability to do anything and being honest and real with who I am today right is second. And I’m thinking about these things. And I realized
  • 05:13Cody, those, those thoughts are in your head, because that’s what you actually want to do. Those are the things that you’re interested in.
  • 05:18Go outside man do these things. There’s no restrictions practices, man. Get in the moment be more in the moment. And that’s why once again today is the best day of my life, brother.
  • user avatarbrandon handley05:31I love that I actually, I interviewed a you know a transformational coach last night. She’s been been at the work for quite some time. And one of the first pieces that she has somebody do
  • 05:44You know she she she coaches, people who are on the business side and how and this podcast is related to this, right. Like, how, how do we integrate our spiritual self all of who we are into
  • 05:56Our business mechanical self right like this robot and, you know, checking off the boxes piece. And one of the things that she hasn’t do is just what you said there, which is to do the mirror work.
  • 06:07Right. Look at the mirror and say I am here with myself. I am here with myself. Right. So, I love, I love that you’re doing that and, you know, to, to others that are listening and I totally. I think that that’s something you should give yourself a shot to right I would
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program06:21Like to express this on that notes.
  • 06:24Sure know about mirror work.
  • 06:26I’ve never done it. And so I will say this man when we feel like we’re doing work.
  • 06:33Like me we’re work even having that word work and
  • user avatarbrandon handley06:37Sure, sure.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program06:37Already has that connotation, or like it’s gonna be
  • 06:40It’s gonna be difficult. I don’t like work right.
  • 06:42Like doing. And so for me today. It’s once again. It wasn’t like I was out to study myself. I was just in a place
  • 06:51Over the last few months, man. I’ve been developing and constantly evolving to be more and more and more of the person that I really am and more of the person that I actually want to be
  • 07:03And so today, it was a natural thing that happened. It wasn’t like, Hey, I’m working on myself do this. What do you notice it just, I just felt like an energy line. It just kind of pulled me there. I actually caught my own reflection and I was like, I’m going to give you a moment of my time.
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:22Now hundred percent
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:16He has a course creators Academy that’s powered by the mantas program you’re looking to get into video
  • 00:22Code is your guy, he’s got the Hitchhiker’s Guide to video. He’s got so much other he’s got so much going on. I personally kind of wonder like how you keep it all together. But you know, it’s obvious to me that you’ve got a system of implementation.
  • 00:35And you just kind of rock it out because you do have your systems in place, but man, thanks for joining us today. How you doing,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program00:41Hey, thank you so much brother is such a pleasure to be here. Yeah. Man systems in life so many things that we, I love that you talk about systems because we are a system.
  • 00:53We are a series of processes that are constantly executing. We’re taking a new devil data developing it, we are processing that data, making decisions utilizing our power of choice and for me.
  • 01:06My brain has been really scattered my whole life, because we’ll just say ADHD and all these other random things. And so for me, systems and all that stuff is very, very, I don’t want to say it’s necessary, but it is important.
  • 01:20And so for me, kind of having that structure is, you know, the one way you do one thing is what you do everything so
  • 01:28I structure my life.
  • 01:29And that reflects in my business man. So with that, yeah, I got a lot going down constantly emotion constantly thinking about the things that a lot of people tend to ignore.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:44Now, man. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I always tell people I’ve waited my entire life for this moment right
  • 01:50Right.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program01:53Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:54As far as we know, right up until now.
  • 01:56So, so, you know, I think you started off with something pretty well there and and i think it would tie into this piece, but I’m gonna go ahead and ask this piece anyways because it may may hit you differently, right. So,
  • 02:08We, we agree, like the kind of universe speaks through us. Right. And that like when somebody listens to this podcast. It’s gonna
  • 02:15They’re gonna hear something that you and I didn’t even hear right in between our dial. I think like that these guys, this is what they’re talking about. Oh my god. So to that person through you today. What, what message do they need to hear me to the universe.
  • 02:31The universe, Dorian,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program02:32Hey, yo. Gotcha. Man, if I was to speak to anybody. My message to
  • 02:37Everyone at all times. It is, isn’t it, it is oneness to what happens when I’m sorry what’s most important is what’s happening right this very second right this second.
  • 02:52In a perfect kind of will say execution of that or example is I woke up today.
  • 02:57And pleasure to be here right woke up. It’s amazing. And for whatever reason, had a song stuck in my head. I don’t remember my dreams or anything, per se, but I do remember waking up with a feeling
  • 03:15Just hit man, it means so well you know when music hits you, that you don’t feel any pain.
  • 03:22And so it hit me really hard and I had to kind of surrender to the moment and allow myself to remove judgment to remove you know will say the permissions. I might be asking for to express myself.
  • 03:37And I just stood in the middle of the room in his eyes closed and just listen to this song and try to express myself, honestly.
  • 03:46And I’m just in a moment. Man, am I thinking about what’s going on for the rest of day. I’m not worried about what happened to me. I’m not worried about the projects and backlogs and clients and business. None of that stuff.
  • 03:58I’m seriously just being one with the moments just looking at it, breathing filling my heart rate feeling this my skin. The breeze from the fan above me.
  • 04:37And so it was that moment the today this morning that I was so in the moments in the expression. I was actually practicing dynamic freedom.
  • 04:51My ability to do anything and being honest and real with who I am today right is second. And I’m thinking about these things. And I realized
  • 05:07Go outside man do these things. There’s no restrictions practices, man. Get in the moment be more in the moment. And that’s why once again today is the best day of my life, brother.
  • user avatarbrandon handley05:20I love that I actually, I interviewed a you know a transformational coach last night. She’s been been at the work for quite some time. And one of the first pieces that she has somebody do
  • 05:33You know she she she coaches, people who are on the business side and how and this podcast is related to this, right. Like, how, how do we integrate our spiritual self all of who we are into
  • 05:45Our business mechanical self right like this robot and, you know, checking off the boxes piece. And one of the things that she hasn’t do is just what you said there, which is to do the mirror work.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program06:10Like to express this on that notes.
  • 06:13Sure know about mirror work.
  • 06:15I’ve never done it. And so I will say this man when we feel like we’re doing work.
  • 06:22Like me we’re work even having that word work and
  • user avatarbrandon handley06:26Sure, sure.
  • 06:29It’s gonna be difficult. I don’t like work right.
  • 06:31Like doing. And so for me today. It’s once again. It wasn’t like I was out to study myself. I was just in a place
  • 06:52And so today, it was a natural thing that happened. It wasn’t like, Hey, I’m working on myself do this. What do you notice it just, I just felt like an energy line. It just kind of pulled me there. I actually caught my own reflection and I was like, I’m going to give you a moment of my time.
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:11Now hundred percent
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program07:11Really interesting to think about
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:14Now, I love, I love it. I mean, you also you also hit on to you know to experiencing the illusion of time right where you were, you were talking about.
  • 07:31You’re looking at yourself as a human.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program07:33Being right
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:35Right, right, right.
  • 07:37And I also love to, you know, you talked about, you know, the permission for greatness. It makes me think of that Banksy one right. The thing you know and it goes, you know, stop asking for, you know, stop asking for permission to be great.
  • 07:46You know, for greatness and yeah
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program07:49It’s amazing how that works.
  • 07:50I realized today. And today, maybe is it, is it a coincidence. Is it meant to be that I have this this experience today before we had a chance to speak. I don’t know, man, that’s the exciting part about being
  • 08:05Right, I’m excited for those moments. I’m really excited to explore them. More importantly, I’m excited for the experience
  • 08:12Because I’m in a constant state of curiosity. I’m a constant state of growth and I know this, I repeat it to myself, and I know it. I feel I am it’s it’s a staple in my being.
  • 08:23Is to be in a place of evolution. And then when you surrender. A lot of times people go surrender means you got to give up. No.
  • 08:31You have to allow these emotions to set in. I remember feeling it. Tears welled up. I looked at my smile. And I was like, how I’m smiling right now.
  • 08:39Hold. I’m just being I’m just one. I just feel good. I’m accepting these things and yeah just removing those permissions when you go, man. You’re the one granting permission but you’re also restricting access at the same time.
  • 08:55Yeah, it’s conflicting so today I was on that part where I recognized my restriction and I just let that let that down for a little bit so I can just be
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:04I love it, I love it. You talked about like a, you know, awareness and becoming more of who you are right. Let’s talk about that. What does that mean, you know, becoming more aware of the person of who I am. So who do you know, who do you feel like you are
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program09:19You are your truths.
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:21You are what you say.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program09:22You are
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:23Okay, so, I mean,
  • 09:25Right, right.
  • 09:25I mean, so I mean what, what does that mean to you, right. Like I always, I think that when we were talking. I’m not sure if I hit, hit on this or not when you have me on. And thanks for having me on. It was a
  • 09:34Great One
  • 09:35Um, you rise to your level of thinking
  • 09:38Right, right.
  • 09:39So who do you think you are right.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program09:42Right. That makes sense. Well, when you think of who you think you are, it puts people in a place of contrast of going, who, who do I want to be my comparing myself to
  • 09:52There is nobody that’s going to do a better job at being you than you and if someone can be a better version of you. Then you’ve got some real work.
  • 10:01Some people are there.
  • 10:02Right. But who am I right, I am what I say I am I’m happy.
  • 10:07Yeah, that’s as simple as I could possibly put it, who I am is also what I am is where I am, as well.
  • 10:15When are you
  • 10:16I’m happening in. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley10:17Sorry.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program10:18I’m in a place of happy, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley10:19Right. That’s a state of being right like a state. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I love it. And you have a great question on your podcast and almost, you know, I think that I’m gonna steal it today for you.
  • 10:30The, you know, and you said you hadn’t had the state of awareness yet, right, like, and when did you first fully become aware
  • 10:36Right. Do you feel like you’re becoming more aware and, you know, what does that, you know,
  • 10:40What’s that mean to you was me to become aware
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program10:43That level of awareness. I’ve noticed that I’ll say over the past two months, right, because I’ve been surrounded by the most amazing people.
  • 10:53Were all practicing boundaries and communication and connection and actual spiritual enlightenment on a day to day what I’ve noticed about self awareness is you think you got it and then you level up.
  • 11:05Think you understand it and then you actually understand it and then you feel it, you experience it.
  • 11:12It’s a whole different level self awareness for me is coming down to, and I’m going to repeat this absolute truth.
  • 11:21It’s not this is what I’m going to say because it’s going to sound good, or I don’t want to hurt your feelings or I don’t want to say this, I’m it’s removing those restrictions and being like, Man, I don’t like that it’s being able to go. That’s for me, that isn’t for me.
  • 11:35That’s a yes for me that’s a note to know your level of self awareness stems from not looking at your reflection and going this is two separate entities and I’m connecting and I’m self aware, because I can make choices.
  • 11:49It’s literally connecting to as much of your personal truths as possible. It doesn’t matter what the truth is because you believe it.
  • 12:00When you’re honest with yourself and you’re going, I like that. But that’s not my thing. I love that because it does this for me. I really enjoy this.
  • 12:11When you can connect with those things because of the truth because of what you’ve told yourself how you feel about them.
  • 12:18You are more real with everything and everyone. And more importantly, more real with yourself.
  • 12:25And you only do the things that can contribute to your progress through life, your happiness, man. Your success and abundance. It’s amazing. So self awareness is first off, recognizing that you’re in a place of growth and you don’t know everything.
  • user avatarbrandon handley12:40Right, right, right.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program12:42It’s knowing what you like what you don’t like even not knowing what you like and don’t like is still something that, you know,
  • 12:49So when you’re in that place of uncertainty, then you’re aware of this, it’s looking at these things going. I’m unsure. I’m confused or
  • 12:59I am really centered and focused on this and feels good to me. I’m going to use this belief to guide my behavior in a positive way. So being self aware man is is really just, I’ll say complete self awareness is not having to think about this stuff ever you just do
  • user avatarbrandon handley13:18That yeah well I absolutely i mean but i mean i think that you know some of this stuff is a
  • 13:25You gotta peel back to, you know, societal layers, right, that have kind of been been you know enforced on you right, you’re like, Wait a second. All the stuff that I’ve been taught up into this moment.
  • 13:37It was serving those people
  • 13:39You know, but not necessarily me. It was serving this function, but not my function of growth right type of thing.
  • 13:46So now, and I love it. Right. So let’s talk about like how are you applying some of this to your business man like I mean how the other question is like how could you not, but like, you know,
  • 13:57How do you not, but like, how does, how does this, like, you know, like I talked about earlier, you talked about like the robotic guy that you know shows up and just
  • 14:05Eight. And, you know, nine to five or whatever, you know, how is your life different because of this call it a spiritual practice right of your life practice and weaving those together. Talk about that so
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program14:17What I do is build this cerebral super suit for entrepreneurs to connect more deeply with their core audience.
  • 14:24The reality with that is you got to step into the shoes of your clients of your customers of the people you serve.
  • 14:32I don’t care if it’s the homeless guy. I don’t care if it’s this. I don’t care what solution you’re providing or what you’re doing in life.
  • 14:38When it comes down to really expanding your business. It doesn’t come down to the tech, that’s the easy stuff. It doesn’t come down to your sequences and your landing pages, all that stuff that’s easy connecting with the people that you serve.
  • 14:56comes from a place of oneness.
  • 14:59Of understanding of self. So along the spiritual enlightenment along this journey of personal growth. You’re actually opening yourself to understand and feel and have more compassion.
  • 15:12For the people that you’re most likely to benefit. More importantly, how they’re going to benefit from you.
  • 15:19So for me, I look at oneness and connection that is missing. Now I look at where I’m at. I’m paying attention to how I feel what I’m thinking.
  • 15:29I’m going to state of curiosity. So I’m wondering why that’s all that’s coming in. I’m going to state of health. So I’m changing the foods have it seen how it affects my body. I’m getting rid of things that don’t serve my journey.
  • 15:41And do not serve my focus
  • 15:43And don’t really deserve my intention. So when I personally develop as a human being and become more of a human doing
  • 15:53I am putting myself to in a place to thoroughly connect to everyone that I’ll be serving which helps me
  • 16:01Develop better wording in my copy when I’m writing an email. It helps me reach out to better people. It helps me attract better clients.
  • 16:07It helps me build better websites helps me build stronger teams, it puts you in a place of connection to who they are in their core. So, the stronger, more
  • 16:21Will stay connected you are to yourself, the more likely you’re going to be able to connect to the people that are going to benefit from your product and service.
  • user avatarbrandon handley16:28Now, I love it, I love it. So, I mean, what I’m hearing in there. Those like you know you determine kind of
  • 16:34How you love yourself and and what serving you. Right, letting go. The things that don’t deserve your attention. I love that line, you know, you’re going in with your journey and you know be being able to write better copy do better marketing. You’re in my mind.
  • 16:51You’re tuning yourself. You know, like a crystal tuning. Right. You know, like a radio dial.
  • 16:57To your clients to the people who you can serve. You’re like, this is, this is what I’m transmit this is what I’m good at this is what I love to do this is if I was working with you. Oh my god, I would serve you so hard.
  • 17:08Right.
  • 17:09Space, right, like I’m and like you know you’re going to be blown away by what I give you, because
  • 17:14You’re you you tuned in. Not only did you tuned in. But you to deal with, like, an amplifier on your side you turned it up, you’re like,
  • 17:20What’s up,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program17:21Yeah, it’s amazing. And lately. My clients have been going. They’ve been they’ve been reaching out to me personally.
  • 17:27Outside of like business hours, which is the best feeling ever because now we are connected, we are comfortable
  • 17:33We are really considering each other. We’re thinking about each other outside of business hours and it’s more of a real relationship and a friendship went up.
  • 17:42And what I have noticed is especially over the last couple months is when you are in a place of curiosity and genuine growth and you recognize that you’re there.
  • 17:52You listen more you really, you don’t have to speak as much, actually there’s a reason why we have one mouth and two ears.
  • 18:00were meant to listen and when we listen to people when you deliver what you actually want to say or how you can contribute
  • 18:09Every word that you say has more impact and more value. Now when it comes to connecting with your clients, how it relates to people in a digital space.
  • 18:18I’m telling you this man, the more self aware you are the more connected you are with the universe and how you relate to it. More importantly, how it is relating to you.
  • 18:29When you write your copy. When you say these words when you create that video when you do those things. You’re literally creating with purpose and positive intent.
  • 18:40There are times when I will release something, and I’ll type it out and I’ll put it up into the digital space.
  • 18:47And it will be the same exact words no difference. Everyone’s interpreting it differently from their own level of perception, their mind state.
  • 18:56The people that I love working with are the ones that feel the intent behind the message and pick up on the energy when I wrote it and they feel it speaks to them. And those are the people that I attract. This is why I have such a great time doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley19:12Now, I love it, I love it. So it’s so funny, you brought up purpose and intent because you know I was gonna ask you about that right how to, you know,
  • 19:17We do deliver that message and just like you said, the people that there’s there’s going to be the one set of people that you know just give you a thumbs up or like or be like, you know, Hey, that was cool.
  • 19:27And then there’s going to be the other set of people that are gonna be like wow that was, that was awesome. That was powerful. Right.
  • 19:32And they get, they get kind of where you’re coming from on that and it’s a totally
  • 19:37That the two different groups, but that doesn’t. And what I think I like about that too is that, you know,
  • 19:43The group that doesn’t get it today doesn’t mean they won’t get it tomorrow or see it like you know a little bit later down the road, and they’re going to go back to your content and they’re gonna be like, I didn’t, I didn’t even realize you were into all this shit.
  • 19:55Right. Yeah. Yeah. And because because you can. It’s funny.
  • 19:59I do that without so my own my own my own stuff. Right. Like, why go and I’ll look at other people’s content, who I follow it earlier, but I wasn’t at my
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program20:09This mind state. Yeah.
  • 20:10You go into through a different lens.
  • user avatarbrandon handley20:12And I’ve got a new job or I have a whole brand new lens right whole whole new lens on like, Where have you been,
  • 20:20I never even saw
  • 20:22And so it’s really interesting that the content that you put out
  • 20:27People
  • 20:28Come back and take a look later and it’ll
  • 20:30It’ll be fresh to them.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program20:31I 100% and I was just talking about this yesterday. And the reality is to put the content out. We have to realize there’s entire generations of people that are moving through going to go to catch up to us.
  • 20:42We could be saying the perfect thing right now to people that don’t even exist yet.
  • 20:47Like
  • 20:48What we put out there is really important. And you think of your overall vibe, man. So as people become more connected and understand
  • 20:55Their power of influence and how we are influenced and just the decisions that they make.
  • 21:00Man, they meet someone may go, Man, I want to create a podcast called spiritual dope. I wonder if that’s even a thing could click there’s
  • 21:09There is, oh my god, they’re talking about all the things I didn’t even know it was an idea was connected. I felt it. I mean, I took an action and this is everything I’m looking for and you spark an entire movement, based on your idea man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:23Simple thought simple action. Right. It’s just, it’s just a matter of taking that action. What’s funny. I mean, it’s funny you say that though I did prosperity practice before spiritual dope and
  • 21:34Somebody else I spun up prosperity practice like afterwards, after the fact. Like I reached out to her. I was like, I was like, wow, you’re doing like the exact same thing I’m doing. I was just like,
  • 21:43So it’s really interesting. I’m not sure if you’ve ever seen like some of those videos or, you know, I forget, like, you know, let’s talk about Tesla or being connected to the Akashic Record right or
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program21:52Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:53Hello, say like two thoughts happen at the same time, like
  • 21:56Different receivers. Right, so you’ll receive thought somebody else or received thought only one person X on it though, or maybe both people act on it the same time.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program22:04Right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley22:05And it’s not until like later that they converge and and you know you see it show up. So
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program22:10That when I remember saying
  • 22:12interprets that differently. I really never there’s no such thing as original I always say this every thoughts already been funk. Like, what are the chances of you thinking of a sentence or something or whatever.
  • 22:22As someone else hasn’t already done that you’re picking up on something somewhere actually look at that as alignment.
  • 22:29If you’re having this thought and it’s moving you. That means you may actually be being pushed her poles.
  • 22:34Pulled in that direction.
  • 22:35Hundred percent old yeah
  • user avatarbrandon handley22:36Yeah. So when we talked, right. We talked about the, the, the idea of everything’s already been created. It’s just a job. What’s your awareness of it right and it’s funny that because you talked about the losing time right the future now and the past are all here right now.
  • 22:52Right, so
  • 22:53You’ve got the, you know, we’ll call it the multiverse, right. We’ve got your, your quantum entanglement kind of guy.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program22:58So, yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley22:59You know you can sit there and you can think for a second, you’re like, All right, well, if I make this direction, kind of like a Sherlock Holmes type you know movie right like if I go this direction. This is what will happen right
  • 23:07Right. Or in my case, it’s like, you know, the, the, the Green Hornet with like Seth right and he’s like sitting there thinking, and he looks like he’s gone. Fast as mine is really going five minutes. Anyways, the deal is like
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program23:16I get it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley23:17You got like all these slices of possible universes, each one of those each thought that you just had they all just happened.
  • 23:24Yeah. He’s one of those things happen.
  • 23:26Right, and it’s happening right now. So, I mean,
  • 23:28Whichever one you kind of lock into and tune into that’s the one is pointing forward.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program23:33Right, the one that you’re going to resent so
  • 23:34I’ll give everybody a practice right now. I’ve been doing this.
  • 23:37I’ve whiteboards all over the house Ivan. What do you walk into every door. There’s a small whiteboard and it’s it’s whiteboard wallpaper. So I put it on the things that I
  • 23:46Hang out around most often. And so what I’ve been doing is recognizing words. Okay. There’s a reason why words stand out to you. So Brendan, I see writing stuff down rather just like this, man. I got notepads and notepads
  • 24:02All this is not just client notes. These are thoughts.
  • 24:04These are things that are standing out to me if I here at once and it gets my attention. It means pay attention if it gets my attention twice. It means focus on that it’s get detailed with it. So you’ll see random words written all around the house. It’d be like proximity
  • 24:22Right, right. I was Moses.
  • 24:24And then it’s just random things and then later I’ll go back and connect the dots. Our oneness is
  • 24:30We’re, we’re basically it’s inevitable that we’re going to grow based on our environment or as Moses and our proximity to people who are at a higher state of consciousness.
  • 24:38That creates this infinite loop which connects that we’re just just doodling manages everything is just total
  • 24:47Brainstorming so if you if it gets your attention once pay attention if it gets your attention twice focus on that. There’s a reason why you are being pulled towards that.
  • 24:58Get, get close to whatever that where it is, whatever that thing is if that person if they mentioned somebody towards two people on two separate days mentioned the same person get interested
  • 25:09Yeah, that means that person or that thing is leaving an impact. And it’s worth your time.
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:14Sure. I mean, the person’s calling out to you right
  • 25:16If they got what they’ve got like something something they’ve got is really, it’s meaningful for you so
  • 25:21You know, follow up on that, I love that. Thanks for sharing that. So, one more time. So if it’s, you know, if you, if you see it like once you get your interest rate.
  • 25:30See it twice, you know, focusing on that, like, you know,
  • 25:33And then the third time, like, I mean you you’re hooked right like you shouldn’t be.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program25:36You, you are the third time.
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:39Right on.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program25:39If it gets your attention. Twice I say this because if we continue to go Wait I need three times right to is the coincidence three is a staple
  • 25:50Rather, if a guy your attention to times. Why are you paying attention. Why is is getting your attention, two times. First off, you could have been thinking everything you could have been doing anything.
  • 26:00It literally stopped you in thought and got your attention. It’s there for a reason, our subconscious is very active at that
  • 26:09Moment. And so there’s the zoo, there’s something you want to get from it. There’s something you want to define might be something you just want to explore for understanding but somewhere along the way your mind picked up on something and it needs clarity. There’s an open loop somewhere.
  • 26:25Yeah, gotta close this.
  • user avatarbrandon handley26:27For sure, for sure. And I love that you know programmatic reference right if you’ve got an open loop. It just keeps going and going and going and going and going until, like, you know, there’s some type of closure. Right.
  • 26:38Or control see right
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program26:39You know, just, yeah. Stop, stop at
  • user avatarbrandon handley26:42The so um you brought up something really cool that I really enjoy too is like the idea of the subconscious always being on the lookout for what you’re on the lookout for you.
  • 26:52Programmatically said you set a filter, right, these things are popping up because you set a filter for that. Right. You said you said all right.
  • 27:00Hey, yo, I’m really interested in something like you know give what is something that you’re interested in, you know, proximity osmosis where you know and and so now you’ve got your, your mind and subconscious filter on that. Like for me right now I’ve got divine and divinity. Right.
  • 27:17That’s my thing.
  • 27:18Right. I’ve got a divine framework set up as my next course right so
  • 27:22Anytime somebody says divine. I’m like,
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program27:24Yeah, it’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley27:25Over there. Amen. Amen. I’m like, What are you saying
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program27:27What do you got the coolest part that so you you look at your mind if we open with this as system.
  • 27:33A series of processes hundred
  • 27:34Percent computers and quantum tech and all that stuff. The quantum computing, man. It’s just algorithms. It’s going into this than that. If that doesn’t this
  • 27:43You’re just computing data.
  • 27:45So when you program your mind, based on your intent. This is why I always say define what happiness looks like smells like tastes like feels like
  • 27:56Get like get just seriously go to Amazon buy a bunch of notepads for like six books in just elaborate on what happiness and success looks like to you. Yeah.
  • 28:07Do it right, right, right, right. You’re only going to spend like a half hour doing this thing. It’s nothing in the illusion of time.
  • user avatarbrandon handley28:14Well, I caught the the
  • 28:16Real quick, real quick. So I mean, would you would you make them write it down or type it out.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program28:21Does it matter personally
  • 28:23I’m into writing
  • 28:25Okay, now
  • 28:26Now, and I. The reason why is because of the time it takes for me to write it out. If I still commit to that thought. By the end of the sentence, and I still feel good about it.
  • 28:36And it’s an actual thought
  • 28:38If in mid sentence. I’m like, this isn’t my thing, then it’s just a thought. It’s just something that popped in here. Probably for contrast
  • 28:45And so when I write it down. I’ll say this, there hasn’t been a single person that I know that is working on themselves. That isn’t writing stuff down
  • 28:54Hasn’t been writing a book isn’t journaling isn’t doing any of this man this is pages I just naturally picked it up. I don’t necessarily enjoy writing
  • 29:04But I realized that for me to be honest and express myself. I need to write these things down and go back and label them right
  • 29:13These are all these are all staples in my, in my future, man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley29:16Now, I love it. I call it
  • 29:18I call it looking at last.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program29:19Thought the programming brother, when we do this when we write all that stuff down or type it out.
  • 29:26Now we get clarity. We’re programming our subconscious to look for that. So when we are in a podcast and say, I got a big window right here. And if I was looking for a motorcycle motorcycles make me feel happy.
  • 29:40Anything that’s going to get my attention that may resemble a motorcycle. I’m gonna, it’s going to get my attention. Oh, is it. No, it’s not. It’s like somebody you’re waiting to arrive. Is that damn is at them.
  • 29:51Right. Your subconscious is going to constantly go out and look for
  • 29:55All the things that satisfy your happiness make you feel successful make you feel to find find divinity, all of those things, man. So programming is really important, but only if it’s healthy.
  • user avatarbrandon handley30:07Well, I mean, I think that, uh, you know, healthy, healthy is also subjective right initially. And I think that even if you begin to
  • 30:18Just even understand the dynamic of what you’re talking about like the programming right set yourself up, you make that choice consciously to be programming yourself. Yeah, right. Because up until up until that point. I mean, I’d love to hear when you realize that
  • 30:34You needed to program yourself.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program30:37Yeah, well I was, you know, my story. Man, I’m a liver failure survivor.
  • 30:43Like I was on my deathbed, and I know what it’s like for your body to start dying and have to sign away your life surrender to the universe.
  • 30:51I don’t know what’s happening on it was going on, but all of the decisions every single thought that I’ve had to that point has led me to my deathbed. Yeah.
  • 31:00And I’m still defending that for some reason, like why am I defending being here. I’m justifying my death. Oh, I lived a good life. I’m doing. Are you serious, I haven’t even tried yet I’m 32 at this point on my deathbed, and I’m trying to justify that I lived a long good life.
  • 31:18And I was just meant. That’s ridiculous, man. So when I get in. When I start recovering I’m realizing all these thoughts and it wasn’t until I started debating my environment.
  • 31:29I’m not in that scene. Am I surrounded by those people am I doing those things am I interested in that stuff. I don’t think those thoughts. Why am I still the same person.
  • 31:38Hmm. Why am I still the same guy before I died. This is a whole new me
  • 31:46Right.
  • 31:46But is it really a whole new me, this is, this is just me.
  • 31:51With a new opportunity. So who do I want to be. And then as I call this self auditing.
  • 31:57Then you start to realize where your brain starts to go, you start thinking about happiness and success and these these other things that you want to accomplish.
  • 32:03And then you start recognizing now that’s not gonna work. Whoa. I just told me know what the
  • 32:11And I believe that what happened. I just shut myself down. I can do anything. And I said no to me. Why is that a thing. Okay, I can do it.
  • 32:24I am doing it. It’s happening go okay and then that thought comes in again. No, no, we’re doing this. It’s happening. Got it. Go, then it starts to be less and less. And then I’m starting to realize that I have just created a healthy thought pattern.
  • 32:40When it comes to can or cannot there. Is it just is man, you just, are you doing it.
  • 32:45Are you focusing on your happiness. Yes, well then I’m gonna keep doing those things are you building your business. Yeah, I’m gonna keep doing that thing.
  • 32:52I am giving myself permission, I get really good at doing that and anybody can develop healthy habits healthy thought patterns, they can easily reprogram themselves.
  • 33:02From an actual neurological standpoint, we need at least 63 to 64 repetitions of anything to be considered good or for it to be written into our being all those veins in our brain.
  • 33:16Those lumps and things
  • 33:18The valleys. Those are based on repetition. Right. So developing healthy habits. It comes with practice. And once we put ourselves there, man. Then you get really good at practicing. It’s not what you’re practicing. You just get good at creating good habits.
  • 33:34And then this is kind of all easy peasy. From there it’s difficult with there’s a lot there’s less less difficulty involved right
  • user avatarbrandon handley33:43I think that it’s a you know it’s it’s the idea that, you know, somebody as they grow older, right, they, they try something once
  • 33:51And it didn’t work out. I’ll give a couple more shots. But you’re saying it’s like 64 tries and keep at it and you know it’s not like it’s you need that repetition. I also you’re calling from
  • 34:02Your computer land right I look at that number 64 and I think about like 64 bits, right, like
  • 34:07Yeah yeah so
  • 34:08So that’s a, that’s interesting. So, you know, you’re on your deathbed, and and you you crawl up out of that and you start to recognize
  • 34:18You know, you’ve got to make these these pattern changes and you’ve got to develop these healthy life patterns, you know, the challenge that I think that we see is somebody that isn’t dying.
  • 34:31That isn’t you know isn’t dying and has a safe life. Yeah.
  • 34:35Right, I mean you know that they haven’t they haven’t drunk themselves death, but maybe they have several beers at night and maybe you so
  • 34:44How do we get someone to recognize that they’ve got patterns that aren’t serving them even though they’ve got quote unquote good are safe life and they can have more
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program34:53Is that familiar do. That’s the question is this, is this what you do. Is this your thing. That’s where you do these are that that okay
  • 35:02Have you done anything else. Have you tried anything else you realize that you’re back in the bar, you have this. How many times have you had this drink. You know what it is.
  • 35:11If you keep doing the same things, you get the same exact results results. Why do you think I became an alcoholic is because I needed more and more and more to feel normal. I’ve never had this until like yesterday. This is amazing. I’m a
  • 35:27New person holding pineapple.
  • 35:30I had to switch it out, like, what is it synergy raw kombucha
  • 35:35Love this. Right.
  • 35:37Did a hippie. Give it to me. Yes, but does it matter. No, my point with it is that if we keep doing the same things and living in a place of familiarity.
  • 35:46We’re never going to get comfortable with being uncomfortable. Therefore, we’re never going to grow.
  • 35:51Is this as good as it gets. Is this as good as you want it to be. Is this what you really want. Man Seriously, look at this point, you’re just writing. Just ask yourself this question, is this what I really want
  • 36:06Is this how I really want to feel if I can relive this my state of being for the end of my existence. Is that good enough for me. Can I achieve more goodness. Is this how you really want it to be nine times out of 10 it’s know
  • 36:24Even in a healthy place.
  • 36:27If I asked myself, This Is this really how good you want it to be, or is this really where you want to be. It’s really where I want to be right now, but it’s only getting better. So know if I get complacent here I get no more results.
  • 36:42I have to continue growing right so we got to look at that complacency and go, you know what, man. Is this as good as it gets. Is this as good as you want it to be right now.
  • 36:51Chances are the same. And then we start taking action. And I know this because just the power of influence from three people, we were able to get an alcoholic to leave the bar. The other day on a podcast and he went home to go play with his dogs.
  • 37:07Hmm. He made the decision to leave the bar, man.
  • 37:11stopped drinking poison not permanently.
  • 37:14But the power of influence is there, he made that decision. It’s amazing what happens when you realize that it can be better.
  • user avatarbrandon handley37:21Yeah, no 100% you know I know when I quit drinking
  • 37:27It has influenced many people right and you know we talked about being pulled you know I was pulled, man. I wasn’t, I didn’t quit drinking because I didn’t like I love drinking
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program37:38Drinking. No, I haven’t done it since.
  • user avatarbrandon handley37:41I have a blast. I you know do stupid shit all day long.
  • 37:46And and but you know it fell away man fell away is something I didn’t need anymore. And I found that I could do stupid shit without having to drink.
  • 37:57And I could be there more for people. Right. And so, but but that influence is just like
  • 38:02It’s not something we’re not doing any force on anybody is because I just feel great.
  • 38:07I get to I get to drive whenever I want.
  • 38:09I get to do and go places, whenever I want.
  • 38:11Because I haven’t had a drink.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program38:14It was one of the most interesting compliments. I’ve received recently is you don’t need anything in your system to have a good time. You don’t have to smoke. You don’t have to drink enough to do anything you’re just having a blast all the time right now my
  • 38:31That whoa, you’re right.
  • 38:33Well, I know this.
  • 38:34But now you’re saying it. So you got my attention.
  • 38:38Whoa, that’s cool. And then they’re going, I don’t, I don’t really need to do these things. It’s just not really. I mean, I get
  • 38:45You know, it’s not necessary.
  • 38:47It’s not a staple of my existence anymore. Let’s just say that. Yeah.
  • 38:51Wow, man, that’s, that’s amazing. And people talk about high on life. I get what they’re saying.
  • user avatarbrandon handley38:57Is visual rather than just
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program39:00The Scripture that
  • user avatarbrandon handley39:01That’s it. That’s it. That’s man. That’s exactly what we’re here. And what we’re doing right
  • 39:07You know, talking about that. And again, you know, being able to live from that space and be successful in business right and leading leading with that right not like that’s not your cover. That’s not your life, you’re not like I go home and I meditate, I go home and I pray. No, I read
  • 39:25When I was with with spirit. Right.
  • 39:27So, I love, I love, I love that you’re doing that, and I love you know I see what you’re creating
  • 39:33A see the momentum. You’ve got new built
  • 39:36You know what, what are some other things that you would hit on in this space that you would share with anybody.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program39:42In regards to tech or personal or just just
  • user avatarbrandon handley39:44In terms of like, you know, you know,
  • 39:46Leading from spirituality. Was it. That’s right. Yeah, I heard you say to you came from, like, a hippie. You know, you kind of came from that background to right and that was real similar to me to write hippie mom.
  • 39:58And just
  • 39:59For me, it ends up coming easily because that’s how I was raised, I fought it
  • 40:04For a long time, yes. Talk about that. Right. So talk about knowing that it exists, and then being like them being like, Oh, shit. It works. Yeah, I know that resistance.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program40:15Is useless. Honestly, I just posted about this. And yeah, my parents, you know, different what 6070s
  • 40:22Yeah, you know, so they were raised, like that. My parents are definitely hippies, but not like your, your typical hippie not like will say modern day hippies, or what I i actually been thinking about and you’re welcome to take this and join me. Not all hippies climb trees like
  • 40:37I want to start a movement.
  • user avatarbrandon handley40:39Well, that’s a special again. That’s what spiritual dopes about there is a greatness. And if you go to my website right now says you don’t have to wear like beach. You don’t have to wear that.
  • 40:47Dress. You don’t have to wear sandals. You don’t have to
  • 40:50You don’t have to put on this uniform to feel this way.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program40:52100%. So we’ll talk about that. Absolutely. There’s a
  • user avatarbrandon handley40:55Reverse it what I’m saying. And you see
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program40:57Like we’re on the same wavelength.
  • 40:58Yeah, man. And so, so here’s the trip is my, my brother, my older brother, he’s like a hippie is of all manly man, but he’s climbing trees, he’s cutting trees down building homes log cabins, he makes his own tea and coffee and everything is from the earth and He is like 100% hippie.
  • 41:15Spiritual Empath all of that stuff. It’s really amazing.
  • 41:19Now for me, I always thought that because I’m a tech guy right at artists. I’m an artist in general.
  • 41:25You know I connect with people in different ways, but I’ve been through an extreme amount of trauma before liver failure. So my trauma.
  • 41:34I’ve had to process these things differently. And my viewing angle my perspective on will say the hippie approach is it’s a little too flu fee for lack of better words this little to
  • user avatarbrandon handley41:46motherly soft
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program41:48It’s not it do, like, just take your shoes off and just seeing one drink like okay
  • user avatarbrandon handley41:53I want to kick a door. Yeah.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program41:55You can’t force this hippie just like religion or anything.
  • user avatarbrandon handley41:58Right, right, right.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program41:59You have to be open to it. Oh, so on my journey.
  • 42:04As it became more receptive more open, more compassionate towards other people, and more importantly, developed more compassionate towards myself, which I learned from my mentor asara sundry
  • 42:16With that, I started to let down those walls and I started to break those permissions started signing off on my own.
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:24Certain he
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program42:25Recognizes my permission slip and
  • 42:27Walk down that hall of success and happiness.
  • 42:30And in doing so, I started to realize that people have been telling me this forever.
  • 42:35And I’ve been to so
  • 42:36Not have it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:38I mean, that’s what we talked about earlier, though, too, right, like in writing your content right you’re yourself. You’re telling people, some things and
  • 42:45They’re just not. They’re not in that spaceship, they’re not they’re not there right and it’s not until it’s not until you kind of come into your own awareness of being and you can look back and be like, Oh my gosh, people been telling me this my entire life. Yeah, right.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program42:59100%
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:59Now, I love it man.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program43:01It’s amazing the way it works. And I’ll tell you this, brother. You remember. Oh, sorry about posting with purpose.
  • user avatarbrandon handley43:06But
  • 43:07I intent, but
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program43:08How do you think I ended up in Texas, dude.
  • 43:10There you go right person, pick up on the intent and the power and energy behind the same message and they open the opportunity like you. We want you to come here.
  • 43:21Right, that’s how I ended up in Texas in a series of events had to happen perfectly in alignment.
  • 43:28And I ended up here in the most incredible place I’ve ever been in my entire life more growth, more happiness more communication more connection.
  • 43:36More forward progress than any other time in my entire life. And I’m beyond humbled all because I posted with purpose man right person felt it. And then we all took action make magic happen. It’s really, really cool.
  • user avatarbrandon handley43:52That’s cool, man. So, I mean, you know, again, this is kind of like a follow your bliss type moment right
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program43:57Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley43:57I love it.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program43:59Though well
  • user avatarbrandon handley44:00I mean you got you got to do it for yourself. Right. Like each person. Everybody’s got everybody’s got to find that for themselves, you know, you talk about your truth right you could
  • 44:07You could say, Hey, you know, for me, you know, at this moment, this bliss is my truth right if I’m feeling, you know, and again, I’ll talk about that word, you know, vanity, I’m feeling
  • 44:17Or creative source like through me and, you know, or like we talked about resonance and we look at, like, you know, somebody just plucking my divine source string.
  • 44:26Everything has resonated and that was bliss and so I’m following that like somebody, you know, talking to me and just dragging me out and like me, like, yes, this is, oh my gosh, this is uncommon. I’m on my way you
  • 44:37Know how this is going to end. Oh yeah, they are they aware of the path. Now look, you’re always on your path right it’s like you’ve got a you’re always on your path you’re never all fit. It’s just, you’ve got to make that decision.
  • 44:48To to recognize that you’re walking. It’s at your part of it that you’re being it right
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program44:53You know, want to man.
  • 44:54Like, think of it. Think of it like this in like I if I go to the doctors right now and they they put a needle in my arm. Yeah, that’s gonna be my only, you know, uncomfortable. I’m not worried about the needle, man. I’m worried about the results.
  • 45:06They want to see how unhealthy. I really am.
  • 45:09Don’t want to like surrender to that.
  • 45:11Right. Some people really aren’t. They’re not good at walking through the doors, man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley45:15Yeah.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program45:15You’re not good at that. That’s their out of practice.
  • 45:18And sometimes we got to kick those doors down, they gotta be receptive on the other end. You’ve got to kick those doors down for yourself.
  • 45:24Man, once you open that door now.
  • 45:27Then you can see the path.
  • user avatarbrandon handley45:29Yeah.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program45:29And know that you’re on it.
  • 45:31And then you can frolic down that bitch as much as you want. You know I’m saying, like, what are
  • 45:34You going to do
  • user avatarbrandon handley45:36All that. Well, I mean, look, you can’t make a wrong decision. You know a lot of people
  • 45:40You know that they’ve got their systems in place that work for them. And if you get off of their system, they’re going to come up and say, Well, well, well, you got it. You’re, you’re off your system and you’re off your path, but
  • 45:50That’s not true. You’re off of what their path would be you’re off and out of their system and so have faith in yourself, man. I love what you’re doing, I love, I love that. That’s what you know you’ve developed like kind of this core
  • 46:02Being again and you’re, you know, you’re, you’re leading with that and you’re in that space. That’s awesome. Where should I send people to go meet up with you and find out more about you.
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program46:12Absolutely. So my primary focus right now is the mantis program so mantis is every single thing that I’ve ever learned tops mastered
  • 46:25All in one place in regards to not just evolving as a human being but evolving into the strongest and most accurate business mindset that you could ever possibly hope to get yourself into
  • 46:38It’s the reason why I can operate at a peak state of performance for forever and cost deliver content get things done while having a family doing all that stuff.
  • 46:48So I want to show people exactly how they can implement
  • 46:52These specific concepts into their life. But more importantly, there’s so many people who don’t take the necessary steps because they go all but there’s technology, there’s this and I don’t understand that.
  • 47:03I cover it all, every single aspect. So you don’t have to be able to business or even bill yourself without fear man like you don’t have to do that. You don’t have to restrict yourself. And it’s basically what I now that I say I give people the permission to evolve as a human.
  • 47:19And then, yeah, so that’s the mantis program. So the mantis program com
  • 47:24And then of course graders Academy man the CCA it’s an extension of the mantas program. This is for people who want to build an online program.
  • 47:33I have numerous clients 2020 is packed with people who are going. I know what a lot of information. The online learning industry is a $34 billion industry.
  • 47:44If you know something, and you want to get it out there and develop a program for people to get their hands on.
  • 47:51And I hope people evolve through that process developed a program and then also handle all the tech and all that stuff with with just with ease.
  • 48:00Then yeah, then I’m gonna communication artist. So I help people communicate more deeply with their, their core audience, not just as a servant leader, but as a professional graphic designer 20 years in Photoshop.
  • 48:12And yeah and then for everybody who already has a message or is looking to dominate the second most powerful website on the planet YouTube
  • 48:21I have the Hitchhiker’s Guide to video marketing and that’s showing you, not just how to get video views up into the millions
  • 48:27But I’m actually showing you how to build a complete online digital business or any product or service that you’re working on. Or like to get your hands on. That’s the secret behind the sauce.
  • user avatarbrandon handley48:40Yeah, man, that was
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program48:41What
  • 48:42What is there, man. So you can also find me on Facebook or is Cody rain and then you could also go to Cody rain calm. If you guys want to learn more about me or jump on my calendar, we can have a chat about you and your business.
  • user avatarbrandon handley48:53Awesome, man. Thanks for joining into
  • user avatarKohdi Rayne – The Mantis Program48:56Thank you, man, I appreciate you.