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Mikal Shumate grew up in a blue-collar family, served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, and worked in the construction industry for over 45 years before retiring. He holds a certification in interpersonal and trans-person counseling, and is an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer. A lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness lead Mikal to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now pass on to others within the pages of “Blue-Collar Enlightenment”

Connect with Mikal at LoveLightConsciousness.com !

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope this is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Michael Shumate, who grew up in a blue collar family and served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War. He’s also worked in the conduct construction industry for over 45 years before he retired. He holds a certification and interpersonal and transpersonal counseling and as an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer, after a lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness, he was led to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now passes on to others within his new book, blue collar enlightenment, Michael, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Mikal Shumate 0:51
Thank you. I’m doing well.

Brandon Handley 0:54
Fantastic. Awesome. So I’d love to start these off with the idea that you and I are basically, you know, we’re conduits for source energy, right? And, and we, you know, something’s flowing through us, you and I, today through this podcast is hitting somebody’s ears, or maybe a video depending on what they watch the video, but there’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 1:26
That

Mikal Shumate 1:28
it is possible to live life in a peaceful and happy state of consciousness where you’re not stressed, and you can achieve anything you really want to achieve.

Brandon Handley 1:51
So I think that’s a I think that’s a powerful message. Right? And, and, you know, you build out this system for it. But even before we kind of get there, let’s go, you know, what are some of the, you know, the, I’d be curious about what is even a spiritualist minister, right, and just kind of let’s talk a little bit about your path and how you got to where you are today. So in in regards to even being the spiritualist minister, what would you tell me that is, and what’s that mean?

Mikal Shumate 2:19
Well, early, early in my life, I had a number of experiences they had to do with people that I knew or people that I met. The most profound was a woman named Nancy Cappy who actually, at the time that I met her, I was a young man in my late teens, and she worked with my mother at the time in are in the same company, and they knew each other, so they and we also had a group of friends and things like that for the family. And so she was part of that network. And she did what are called reads. Okay, well, readings, you know, in most terms are, are seen as being psychic readings, she was psychic, but with a very definitive methodology. And her her method was Auric reading. So she would read the energy fields around your body. And she, I mean, she was she was one of these people that was born that way. You know, and she just, she just over her lifetime learned until she got to the point where that’s all she did was, was her work by reading orders. And she, she had a profound effect upon me. I came home I was in, just joined the Navy. I came home on leave. And our neighbor, Latasha comes by and says, You got to go down and see Nancy. So why would you know, she’s doing readings down here and was in San Diego. She’s down here at the waterfront, and you need to get out and see her. Well, okay. Don’t What else you got to do, you know? So I found a hotel room down on the waterfront where she had rented a room it was giving readings. And I walked in and she looked up and saw me and she just kind of stared at me for a minute. And then she finished what she was talking about. And then she says, may I come to you? I had no idea what she was talking about at the time. So she said, Yeah, okay. And so she, she told me things about myself. And two profound things stuck with me out of that. One of those was that I needed to learn how to separate my work life. from my home life. A lot of people bring their work home with them. And she told me, it would be very important for me to separate that. Which I learned to do. And in fact I do, I learned it so well that I would tell myself as soon as I get home, I need to call so and so and I wouldn’t remember until the next morning. So it’s, you know, so that separation was important. And then she also then exposed me to the idea that there was something else beyond what I had learned in my life. That all fell into the category of spirituality. In spiritualism itself, to answer your question is the study of psychic phenomena, the study of energetics that are beyond our normal, day to day process. And what it did for me was, it inspired me to, to wonder about and seek to, to refine and define and understand what consciousness is. So I had like, two, two operations going on in my life, I had my, my, my work, business, all that sort of thing. And then on the other side of it, I had my quest to learn about spirituality and consciousness. And, and then, of course, that evolved over the process of time. And we’re talking about, you know, a 50, year 5050 plus year process, actually, over 60 years, almost 60 years process, to try to figure out, you know, who I am and what I am and who we are, and what we are, and that sort of thing, in my book is the culmination of that process up to the point I wrote a book, because consciousness and awareness is not something that you just reach it reach an endpoint, and that’s it. No, it’s not like, it’s not like, okay, your body has

reached its limit, and you drop the body and whatever happens after that, right. So it’s not like it’s not terminal. Yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 7:26
I get that for sure. Sure. Just to jump in real quick. You know, we’re already got a little bit to unpack there, Michael. So before we, before we get too far along there, right. I love what you’re saying there in terms of, you know, there is, I mean, there may seem to be points where there’s a plateau, but it’s still ongoing, right? Even if it levels off, it’s still expanding that that consciousness that you’re talking about, right? Yes. And my

Mikal Shumate 7:49
experience is that we, that it’s like a ladder, you you expand, you reach a point, and you stabilize it, that area, you in my experience, I would like have what they would call a colic cathartic experience of reaching a plateau. And then that experience then becomes normal. And it’s like, okay, at that time, you know, it’s like, You’re full of Listen, you’re full of joy, and it’s just this wonderful thing. And then, and then that just kind of becomes ordinary. And then as you grow, then you step up again, and it’s just a continuous process of that. Enlightenment is not a endpoint, it is a actually a beginning point of the understanding of the totality of your consciousness.

Brandon Handley 8:42
Can I tell you how frustrated I was with that one, right? Because, you know, as I as I look back on my experience, right, kind of mine was kind of a sudden, sudden thing, right? Kind of, like, I would liken it to a discarded seed that just goes ahead and sprouts anyways. Right? And and really, there was no stopping it. So you just kind of like, Oh, well, great. This is amazing. And then it’s taken me personally about three years to kind of understand what’s going on, try to verbalize it and really develop it. It’s like, just like literally like being reborn, right? There’s this whole there’s a whole new language that I don’t understand, or I understand but I’m looking for the language to to encompass the experience. Right. So when you know when so you’ve got this you got this lady, right? What What is it that makes you even believe her right at that time, because she’s telling us some things. I’m gonna you know, your your your your, you know, late, late to your late teens or early 20s I’m guessing and what makes you believe her that what she’s telling you is something that’s even worth pursuing.

Mikal Shumate 9:55
Well, my attitude is I am I am a A dyed in the wool skeptic. So you can, I will listen to whatever you have to say. And then I will look into the world and see if that’s valid for me or not. And so what what happened with me was, you know, a number of things that she talked about kind of resonated. And okay, well, let’s, let’s just see what this is. And actually what happened was, after I, after I got out of the Navy, I went into college. And after going to college, I came back to my hometown of Encinitas, California. And there was a place there called the chapel of awareness that I happen to just walk by one day and see Oh, no, and, you know, it’s like, you know, your your, if you allow yourself to be spirit will drive you to wherever it is that you need to be. So,

Brandon Handley 11:03
agreed with that real quick there. You know, what, what would you say specifically resonated with with you? I know, it’s been a while, right. But you said a few things she’d said resonated. And I’m just curious what those resignation points were?

Unknown Speaker 11:16
Well,

Mikal Shumate 11:20
gee, it’s, I mean, you’re talking.

Brandon Handley 11:23
As I say, look, if you can’t remember, if it’s I get it, but you know, that was this kind of the question that popped up in my mind, you know, what are these? What are some of the sticking points?

Mikal Shumate 11:31
Yeah, I think, you know, the, the, looking at that process, because that was just a step. You don’t know, it’s just one step in a whole lifetime of steps. But I did, I did study spiritual ism, which is that study of psychic phenomena and, and contact with just disconnected, you know, disembodied souls and that sort of thing. And a lot of other things, which is a very primal level kind of experience, you don’t have to be highly spiritually evolved, to be able to connect into that frequency of energy, you just have to have that resonance in you, that resonates with you know, whatever it is that you’re you’re trying to connect with. Like that. For me, for me, it’s a very, was a very primal level kind of thing. And there’s a whole lot more stuff, the increases with frequency as your

Brandon Handley 12:38
frequency goes up. And I think that i think that’s interesting, too. Even going back to kind of, you know, the, the kind of awakening experience, right, where the awakening or the initial enlightenment isn’t, isn’t the end point, right? That’s, it’s kind of ongoing, whereas even Alright, well, hey, here it is, I’ve awakened, not only have I awakened, now, I feel this the source energy flowing through me right now. Now, what I’m hearing you say, is that you don’t even have to be like that elevated or, you know, you don’t have to be that deep end to be able to do that right to connect with sources that what you’re saying, like, you know,

Mikal Shumate 13:18
we’re not talking about connecting with source we’re talking about connecting with, with the spiritual entities.

Brandon Handley 13:24
Okay. would you would you define things?

Mikal Shumate 13:28
Well, the requirement, as I’ve come to learn, okay, the requirement is that you need to resonate at the same frequency, it is true, all the way up the scale, you want to resonate with your higher self, you have to bring your vibration, so to speak, you know, that’s the term that was used when I was a kid, you know, you got to raise your vibration,

Brandon Handley 13:50
it’s back Michael, just say no, it’s it’s all it’s all coming back, right. It’s a cycle a cycle of things.

Mikal Shumate 13:58
So so it’s like, you know, the higher you raise your vibration that gives you the ability to connect out to other intelligence at that vibration, because we are in we are in we have been divided there. There. There has been definition stated that we have that we have dimensions of existence, like the third dimension is the primal dimension of existence on Earth, right. Raising that vibration of Earth up to the fourth fifth dimension is now what what’s being called, you know, the evolution of humanity. A lot of things come together as you gather pieces of the puzzle. And so what happened for me was I spent pretty much my lifetime gathering pieces of the puzzle. And about three years ago, three, four years ago, it all kind of coalesced and children came together and I had a much clearer Understanding of a much larger picture. And that’s really where where my book takes people is how to get yourself into that state of being. So that you can, as you say, connect with source, because ultimately, everyone is connected to source,

Brandon Handley 15:23
for sure, for sure, for sure, right? It’s not that you’re not connected to source, it’s your ability to recognize your connection with source or your awareness or, you know, kind of, you know, listen, so my mom, I was born in late 70s. My mom, you know, in San Francisco, right? So I’ve got a little bit of background in tuned in what does it tuned in turned on or whatever? Tune into now, whatever you tune in, drop out, whatever, you know, so there it is, right. There it is. Right. So the language right there, you know, is it right? It’s already kind of in existence, kind of like there’s already like a radio tower out there. All we got to do is dial into it. Right. And, and just recognize it. And and I think you would you say that you’ve got to want it, which you’ve got to say that you’ve got to be willing to receive it, that type of thing?

Mikal Shumate 16:15
Well, I yes, I think I think there are exceptions to people that with people that actually came in to, specifically to do that kind of connection. But for most people, you you meet, you need to be drawn into the what I would call it spiritual curiosity. Okay, so if you’re, if you’re, if you’re, if you wonder, what is this? And you know, I mean, I would think that a majority of people wonder about, you know, why they’re here on this planet at this time, and what their purpose in life is, and, and such like that, you know, the big existential questions that people have, but I think that the basis of all evolution is spiritual curiosity, that you want, you have a, you have an innate internal sense that there is something else and you want to find out what that something else is. And it can be drawn, you know, depending on your state of evolution, it can be drawn into a religious movement, you can be drawn into, you know, higher consciousness type movements, you can be drawn into meditation, you can be drawn into all kinds of things. I mean, there’s 7 billion people on the planet, and there’s 7 billion ways in which we can access this information. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 17:44
100%. And that’s why like, I was definitely catching, catching your language saying, Hey, this is what you know, in my experience, this is what’s been valid for me. Right, I’m hearing you say that. But what I think is also interesting, too, is that, you know, so here you are, you’re, you know, you’re in the military, how long were you in the military? And, and kind of what was your experience while you were seeking through that we sharing your experiences of seeking through that? Or was that kind of a solo experience for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 18:14
I was in the military for three years, nine months at 26 days. Counting, right, so I did a minority term where I enlisted when I was 17. And I got out on my 21st birthday. So

Unknown Speaker 18:31
it was

Mikal Shumate 18:34
it was a process of working out. Or at least at least, the beginning of working out things from my childhood, in the military. It provided it provided a structure for me. It provided discipline,

Unknown Speaker 18:59
and

Mikal Shumate 19:02
gave me a chance to discover what I was capable of doing as a person. And that I was capable of going through this training and such like that. But more More importantly, what it was it was a mechanism for, for my future. In the fact that at the time, they had the GI Bill, well, they still have gi Yu GI Bill, but at the time. The GI Bill was very generous. And when I got out of the Navy, after about two years of, you know, flopping around and in society, I thought, you know, I want to I want to get an education, you know, I’d be the first person in my family to get a college education. And so the GI Bill help you do that. And, of course, when you go to college, what happens there is it’s not about necessarily the subject matter. It’s about the exposure to all the different things That at that time was probably the best way to broaden your horizons to expand your perspective on the world. Nowadays with the internet, it’s a whole different story, because there’s so much information available on the internet that you have a world education, you know, just by sitting in your, in your home, you know, but for me at that time, that was a, it was a mechanism that took me in to set me up for how I was going to operate in the business world and make a living and that sort of thing, at the same time, giving me opportunities, because where I went to school was up in the Monterey Peninsula for two years, and then up in Sonoma State University, for another three years. It gave me an opportunity to be exposed to a lot of different things, culturally different people, and become aware of other types of spiritual movements. It was a time of the Maharishi doing his thing. So I got exposed to that I got exposed to people that were interested in different spiritual paths, different gurus and things like that, because it was a lot of influence from the east coming in, at the time. So in that in those five, six years that I was hanging around in that environment, I got exposed to a lot of different philosophies, a lot of different perspectives and things like that. And each one of those things, gave me a piece of the puzzle.

Brandon Handley 21:38
Sure, sure. And that’s pretty cool. How you’re the first you like that you’re the first new college, college graduate, right? And in your family taking kind of advantage of that mechanism for a future, let’s talk about, like, how you’re talking about the idea of, you know, going in getting that education, but the education, you know, and, you know, like, you keep saying, you know, in my experience, right, and my experience, you know, going back to school, after you’ve had some world experience makes that education a little bit, a little bit more applicable, right. If you just go from if you just go from school to school, you’re just continuously learning, you don’t have some real world application. So what you’re sharing is that you were able to go, you know, finish up school, go to the military, you know, like you said, flop around a little bit. And then when you went back to school, you were able to kind of learn some things that you could actually apply to the real world. Is that how I’m picking that up? Yeah. And then it’s pretty neat. Like how you were exposed to all these different types of new philosophies or philosophies. I think that during during the time that you were growing up in that period where we’re new to the United States, right? Yes. What was your What was your personal background prior to even jumping into these these Eastern philosophies? Were you a Christian?

Mikal Shumate 23:04
Yeah, we was Catholic. I’m the old guy. So I’m the oldest of nine children. Guess what, guess what religion? We were. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 23:16
Right. That’s fair. So it wasn’t Mormon. Yes. Were you? Did you know? Did you break away from that faith while you’re studying all these others, to go off on your own and figure it out yourself?

Mikal Shumate 23:28
Actually, I broke away from from Catholicism when I was about seven years old. that I had, I had an experience that kind of made me stop and think and look, it’s like, you know, this has always been part of my character to, you know, wonder about things. So, one Sunday, we were getting ready to leave for church. And I think we were there was like, four or five children in the family at that time. And I just put on Sunday clothes, all the good clothes and all that sort of thing. And I and I would walk it outside. I was I’m six foot five now, which is shrunk from six foot six. And I was so I was a tall, gangly, uncoordinated kid. And I stumbled on the way out, stepping down the porch, and skinned my knee. And I tore my pants. And my father just got furious with me about it. And I couldn’t understand why he was so mad about it. No, it wasn’t that I tore my new clothes and things. He says, We can’t go to church with you looking like that. And I thought, why not? Because why does Why does God care what I look like? And that just started me looking seriously at Catholicism and things. You know, and religions in general, over over my lifetime to see what it is that you know, that was that made sense of what didn’t make sense. And so that was that was that was the initial point right there that was early in my life.

Brandon Handley 25:16
Yeah, I mean, that’s definitely young to be breaking away from your own kind of foundations right or even your family structure. So that’s pretty cool. Let’s, um, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, the idea that you’ve got this mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, right, let’s talk a little bit about maybe what we can find inside of the book, blue collar, enlightenment.

Mikal Shumate 25:36
Okay, well, the, the, the essential point is that the, there’s a, there’s a whole process that I go through in the book to get to this point, but the essential point is, is that the, the best state of being is to be present. Totally present for the experience of your life. And what keeps us from being present is our memories, which are, which we indulge in the thoughts of our past, actions and, and, and things like that. And that’s most its most destructive and most seriously understood. If you think about times, when things that happen to you, and it just rolls around in your head and rolls around and just won’t let go will leave you alone, it just, you’re just stuck back there at that moment in time. Well, the past is the past, it’s gone, there’s nothing you can do to change it, you can reiterate yourself experience within your mind as long as you want, it’s not going to change anything in the future hasn’t happened yet. So that’s it, that’s a you know, the reality is, is that we live our life, in moments by moments by moments. And so if we can be present for the moment, then what happens is everything changes because at that point, we are connected to our core self. And we are able to be guided to that thing, which is the most appropriate for us to be

Brandon Handley 27:31
what would you say some of the mechanisms are specifically to stay president way? How do you how do you break out of, of, you know, living in the past or in the future and bringing yourself to be fully present?

Mikal Shumate 27:44
Well, it is a it is a actually a very simple thing that is hard to do. That’s what I find about the truth about most things is they’re very simple. It’s just that they seem to be hard to do. So what I was, you know, I I trained in for about 10 years in India, learning different kinds of meditations and processes and things like that. And one of the most influential people on that kind of brought me to the Enlightenment moment was a couple of people called, well, it started out with oneness universities, where I studied with Sri Bhagwan Shri Rama were the founders of that his son tree mine stopped.

Unknown Speaker 28:45
You can just go with a son,

Mikal Shumate 28:47
he and his wife prekmurje have taken over the, you know, the university and combine their operations to into what’s called

Unknown Speaker 29:06
one one world Academy.

Mikal Shumate 29:12
It doesn’t make any difference. What what he what he showed me was that there are only two states of being that you can possibly be in. You’re either in, you’re in a state of being happy or you’re in a state of being stressed. So, understanding that what isn’t if you take a look at what is it you can do for yourself to resolve stress in your life. The most effective thing that you can do is calm the mind. And how you learn to calm the mind. The best way that I know is to learn how to be silent, which is is what is what we call it meditation. Okay, so if you if you Put yourself in a position where you can be called, where you can slow your process down. And your awareness can watch the mind, then what happens when you start watching the mind is it starts, it doesn’t like to be watched. So it will stop chitter chattering, in this stopping chitter chatter will happen a little bit at a time. And as you persist in the process, it becomes more and more and more until you can sit and be in silence. In in when you’re sitting in Venus as your total awareness and experience of what of what is there for you. And that’s, that’s how you get to that point. After that, it’s, you know, there’s all kinds of things that can happen for you, who become aware of, in fact, you know, science is actually catching up with spirituality now. They’re, they’re aware that everything in the universe is connected. Well, all of us are connected to each other. What I do affects you, what you do affects me on some, at some degree in some level. And so when we’re able to be in that space of silence, we’re able to be in a place of total connectivity. And therefore we have access to the field of consciousness, which then can out of which we can then create whatever it is that we want. The reality is, is that we’re doing that all the time. We just don’t know that. That’s the we’re creating our life. We’re, you know, as they say, we’re co creators of the experience.

Brandon Handley 31:51
Yeah. 100%. I think that were, I love that you got the opportunity to spend, you know, 10 years in India, right. Do you think I mean, just out of curiosity, do you think that your experience is still possible for somebody else today? To go back? Well,

Mikal Shumate 32:06
it wasn’t 10 continuous years, it was over a period of 10 years. Okay, gotcha,

Brandon Handley 32:11
gotcha. Well, I mean, even

Mikal Shumate 32:15
the most time I spent there was like about six weeks. Okay. Is it possible? Absolutely. Okay. You know, it given the current pandemic condition, we have to get through that. And then once we travel again, right, yes. All those things in India are still there, right? If you feel drawn to that,

Brandon Handley 32:36
right. 100% 100% I mean, you’re you’re out there. I think Monterey is got some places out there. I was just out there in LA not too long ago, where they’ve got the Self Realization Foundation, right. Yogananda

Mikal Shumate 32:51
fellowship,

Brandon Handley 32:52
fellowship. That’s,

Mikal Shumate 32:53
that’s in Encinitas. That’s where I used to live.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Yes. I mean, you’re right down. Did you did you did you spend some time there? So, okay, I mean, yeah. Okay.

Mikal Shumate 33:02
Most, most the time it was my biggest exposure was when I was young, you know, and we actually we, it’s, it’s actually, there’s a state park there called Swamis beach. And that’s, that that’s because the locals used to call the place to Swamis place, you know? Who was there? Yeah. pazza Yogananda was a great influence on me very early in my life. Okay, his

Brandon Handley 33:31
book, right? I actually just ordered it. I’ve never read it. And I said, Fine. You know, I’ll go ahead and read it. Yeah, it’s, um, I don’t know if you know this, but Steve Jobs actually handed out that book on his deathbed. So what was the Yeah, Steve Jobs died. He gave everybody in attendance, a copy of that book?

Mikal Shumate 33:49
Yeah. So I thought that was it. There’s a lot of there’s a lot to be learned from that. That’s one of the one of the things that I read when I was younger, right.

Brandon Handley 34:02
You talked about, you know, just jumping back a little bit in the in being in the military, and processing, like kind of some childhood stuff. Was there anything like in there? What would you say you had the process? to kind of get through that, how did you do it?

Unknown Speaker 34:22
Well,

Mikal Shumate 34:32
this is a lot of things. Probably just, it just, it just gave me an opportunity to grow up, you know, to to transition out of childhood behaviors into a more disciplined adult behavior. At the same time, I recognized after a couple of years, that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this. So I knew that Did you know that this was just a one time thing, it really was an opportunity for me to get away from home. My father was very abusive. When, when I got big enough that I could square off against them, he stopped being physically abusive to me, and just mentally abusive to me. And actually, it was so, so intense that I actually left home. When I was 16 years old, I left home. And but, you know, after a few months, out there on your own living at friends, homes, and that sort of thing, you know, it’s like, oh, what are you gonna do with your life? Boy? Well, that’s what I say, Well, you know, I could join the Navy.

Brandon Handley 35:49
Nice, nice. Well, look, I mean, you got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good for you to kind of kind of get out of there and away from that, right, split off from there. And I’m sure that that has a lot to do with what you needed to process kind of going counter that. And even kind of going forward, right? That’s not the type of thing that just that just falls away super easily. So thanks for Thanks for answering that one. You know, you talk about the calming the mind silent meditation. And I’m just trying to imagine you out there working in the construction industry, pausing in the middle of the day, taking some deep breaths and saying no mistake or something like that. How did that how, how were you able to, you know, weave this into practical application on the job and that sort of thing. Just curious how it shows up there for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 36:36
it’s not like it was a continuous day to day process for most of my life. Once, once you achieve the ability to do this, then it’s fairly easy to exist in that state. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have thoughts that the, the achievable goal is, like 70 to 80% of the time, you’re in this state of presence, not 100% of the time, if I was there, 100% of the time, I probably would have no reason to stay here. You know, if I drop the body and go do something else. Yeah. Right. But so it’s not like it’s all the time and it we’re talking about a process here for me, that has spanned a period of Firstly, 60 years. Michael, would

Brandon Handley 37:40
you say there’s any way to accelerate that,

Mikal Shumate 37:42
I would say that now is the time to accelerate that, that that it is the energy and everything is changed the dynamic, the the the the push for ascension into higher dimensions and things like that, have brought in an opportunity for people to, to make these transformations in their life, and do it in a very short period of time.

Brandon Handley 38:10
What would you say? There’s evidence of that, right? Where, where? Where would somebody See that? I guess, what’s the basis of that statement for you?

Mikal Shumate 38:18
Well, it has to do with all the people I’m in contact with, and the things that I am continuously studying. But also from, from my experience, because it didn’t all come together for me until, you know, 20 2017 2018 that’s when I had my transformational experience. And, and discovered what this actually feels like. I mean, you know, this is really, we’re talking about, we’re talking about the mechanism for, for experience on this planet is feeling. So, you know, you pay attention to your feelings and how you feel how you how your body feels, how your attitude is, and you can accelerate this process now. And the only way that you’re going to know how long that’s going to take is to start doing it. But I’m, I’m very confident in in my observation of my environment and my experiences out in the world these days. shows me that yes, it’s possible to make these transformations and make it you don’t need to spend

Unknown Speaker 39:43
years in India

Mikal Shumate 39:44
a lifetime or you don’t need to spend lifetimes doing

Brandon Handley 39:47
this. Sure. Sure. You got a couple things in there that that are intriguing to me, right. One is that you’re an older male, right? And and, you know, born born and raised Western civilization, a different generation. And it’s this idea of males dealing and with their feelings, right? How did you kind of come about that spot yourself to say, holy shit, I gotta I gotta pay attention to my feelings. Right? This is, this is this is the key. And then you know, so finding that key. So it’s like you find the key, and you’re looking for a lock, right? You’re like, you’re like, holy shit, here it is, the feeling is the key. What does this unlock and sounds like that, that unlocks this kind of an ongoing, enlightening experience, but just I just want to hear how you were able to get there and especially share it out with the males out there? Well,

Mikal Shumate 40:45
I have to say, first of all, I have been very emotionally aware, from very early in life. A lot of emotion was not very positive emotion. But it, it my awareness of how it affects my body and such like that. I’ve been aware of that for a long time, I consider myself to be very male, female, balanced. It’s, I’m unusual for males. Most, most, most people are one way or the other. But I think that simply the process of being aware of what’s there and acknowledging the truth of what’s there is what transforms your ability to have, you know, a total experience.

Brandon Handley 41:55
Agreed, right, agreed 100%. But again, you know, it’s, I guess, how did you be? What do you have a point in your life where you feel like you were always kind of emotionally aware and how it was impacting your body? Your daily life? Isn’t a pinpoint for that, right? Because, again, this is something that I see over and over, especially in the western male civilization, right? Not understanding what emotions that they’re feeling to begin with, right, nor understanding, you know, kind of the impact on the body, right? The, you know, if we look at alchemy, right, we are walking chemical creation factories, right, and what we feel, creates those chemicals that impact our body that impact, you know, our magnetic field and resonance, right, and on and on and on. So my question to you again, is, was there a point where you said, This, is it right, or you began to recognize those feelings and emotions and the impact that they were having? Or is it just always innate for you? And that’s, that’s

Mikal Shumate 43:03
its primary, it’s primarily an eight. And there was a point where I recognize the impact of emotions on the body. And interestingly enough, it was when I was in college. It is one experience of many that stands out for me. I had been in a relationship and then had the gone through a relationship breakup. And it really hit my sore plexus. To the point where I had gut pain, like, I just couldn’t understand why, you know, it was just, the emotion was so intense. And interestingly enough, the solution was hugging a tree. Somebody told me, you know, yeah, tell me. Tell me, the trees, trees will help you release this emotion. So I said, Okay, fine. I, you know, I’ve had enough of this. And I found a nice, I think it was a nice redwood tree or something like that big

Brandon Handley 44:17
tree,

Mikal Shumate 44:18
and just grabbed the whole thing and then held on for an hour or so. And it actually worked.

Brandon Handley 44:25
Wow. Well, you know, I’ve definitely seen that type of thing. I’ve got a bunch of trees in my backyard. I’m like, I kind of want to go try it out myself. But I want to do it in private, right, like, Okay, this tree and I have a moment, please. So, I enjoy that. And I also just, I see a sea kind of, and I’m familiar with this type of someone’s this, this this gut punch right? Where your your feelings are just all centered right there. And just for that one moment, you’re kind of your hidden pain, right? That solar plexus, right? Yes, and there’s just there’s nothing but that moment which, in honesty, you know, if you, you know, if I reflect back on I’m like, there’s a moment where I was truly present to myself right truly present to what was happening within me. At that time, I wouldn’t have addressed it. In the same way, I would have just addressed it as this sucks. But at the same time, that’s what I was present for was just that feeling emotion and listening to my body. Right, and just kind of coming, you know, surrendering to that moment? space. So how can you use good ideas? If you’re going through this type of thing? Michael, just I mean, another one, if you said there was a keystone to your entire program, you know, sounds like sounds a little bit like, you know, calling the mind awareness be present? Are there any other key stones or just really revelatory moments? What do you do even recall? Like, when you recognize the whole puzzle had kind of come together for you? You know, you’re talking 2017 18 you’re like, Eureka.

Mikal Shumate 46:07
Well, yes, there, there was a thing I was. I was studying at the One World Academy. And, and they were taking us through a process. And that process was called

Unknown Speaker 46:31
the

Mikal Shumate 46:40
minds, the mind slips. Oh, mercy. Google, will be

Brandon Handley 46:55
able to edit that out. And yeah, just a space. But there’s a process that you were going through, you don’t remember a specific process? And that’s all right, can you talk a little bit about like, what happened during the process, and then maybe, what the well actually what

Mikal Shumate 47:09
happens, what happens in the process is they they take you through a meditation where your where your consciousness has expanded out into what they call the, the limitless field of consciousness. And you can, if you can experience that space, then what happens is, there is a space where there are no limitations. And if you can focus on one single thing and focus on a clear intention for that, then you can create that intention manifesting. So

Brandon Handley 47:59
do you have a recollection of maybe the first time you realize was this the first time you realize that you were capable of being the CO creator and manifesting those things? Or do you realize that before?

Mikal Shumate 48:11
Well, what manifested what made this sink in it actually like to be honest with you took me it took me months to really realize what had to happen. But at the time, I had a very serious cancer related growth on my cheek. It was it covered it covered a good portion of my cheekbone, and it was probably a couple inches in diameter. And so my, my wish my intention was that my face heel, and this, I mean, this looked like a charred burned mass on my face. And but we did that meditation is the great soul sync meditation. That’s what is called the great soul sync meditation. So available on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 49:08
We got that one out right now. Right? Hey, guys, here’s the secret. Oh, wait, I forget what it is. But good luck out there.

Mikal Shumate 49:17
Hey, I’m 75 years old. What do you want, you know? But anyway, that was about four days before the course ended. By the time I left, at the end of those four days, that great big mass had shrunk to about the size of a dime. And three days after I got back home, which was about five days later, it was completely healed, because I had an appointment with my dermatologist. And he looked at that and he said, My God is incredible. And so it’s like okay, Miracle, right? Well, we can create miracles. And that’s when I discovered that process and what it felt like to be connected into that space. I mean, this is the most important thing is what what it felt like. Because when you have a feeling, you now have something you can relate to other than just a thought. So you can, you can be aware of that thing when you when you get back there again, you go, Okay, I’m back here again,

Brandon Handley 50:38
Michael, what’s up? What’s the miracle feeling? Right? Like, I mean, what does that feel like? Tell us a little about

Mikal Shumate 50:43
that. It’s, it’s, uh, it was, it was, it was a soul premiere, it was a slow dawning process, that of what actually happened after I had a few months to, to, you know, live with it, and be aware of it and have people talking to me about it, and that sort of thing. And, and it’s kind of like, okay, yeah, this is something that is possible. And, from that, in the experience of learning how to meditate to the point where I can slow down in inactive consciousness where I can be present, you know, those things came all out of that experience. And for me, it’s, it’s a, it’s easy to recognize when my thoughts are running. And I can stop the train. And I can be present, I can move, actually, you know, I mean, this is, this also involves some physical awareness in the heart is the key to the whole thing. So it’s like, there is a, that’s where our connection to sources, there’s a little, little tiny space in the heart, where that little spark of of source resides in us. And so connecting with that source connecting with that spot, and you’re able to do that by being present, you’ve moved, you can actually, actually, you can move your consciousness anywhere in your physical body that you want. I don’t know how much time we have. But I, I learned, I learned that when I went through the string, II St. Earhart seminar training back in the 70s, early 80s. We had an instructor who had a scar on his face, and it was an ugly scar. And he says, I’m going in this weekend to have had this scar produced fixed. He says, I’m going to do it without anesthesia. And he says, and that’s because if you because I know that if you put your consciousness right there at the point of pain, pain has the job is to tell you that something’s going on here that needs your attention. If you put your attention there, if you put your awareness and your consciousness at that point, he will not hurt to pain will have recognized pain will recognize that it’s done its job and it will not hurt. This guy did that process, I discovered the truth of that as, as in most things, through my own experience, when I cut myself and slice my finger in, you know, a work related kind of thing. And, you know, I bashed it, it was throbbing in it, so it’s okay. Little mind pops up and says, Well, what about that thing? That guy said, Oh, well, let’s try that. Okay, so I just focused my attention, put my awareness and my consciousness into that point. And it’s not hurting. Because it Okay, this works.

Brandon Handley 53:52
Right, this works. And I think that I think that a lot of times, right? It’s, it’s when somebody tells you something like that, or teaches you, you know, you kind of want to call bs you like, I will bs until you actually experience it yourself. Right. And it’s one of those things that can only happen internally, and it’s subjective. So it’s difficult for somebody else to outside of you believe that right? unless they’ve had that experience themselves.

Mikal Shumate 54:21
Yeah, I think I think it’s where healthy skepticism comes in.

Unknown Speaker 54:24
We don’t for sure,

Mikal Shumate 54:25
allow the possibility that this thing may be, in fact true. But don’t just become a believer actually branch out and be in become a knower right

Unknown Speaker 54:41
now and yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 54:42
this thing is true. For sure, for sure. You know, when you’re talking about being a co creator, you know, I was definitely skeptical of that kind of thing before until, you know, I’ve had some experiences myself where there’s just been co creation, right, like, Wow, I can’t believe that happened almost identically to What I saw my mind with great ease and just kind of showed up in my life. Right? And and that’s, I mean, it’s pretty crazy. And you have to be willing to look for it right? You have to kind of be willing to look for the evidence of that. And all those other things, one more thing for you kind of before we tie it up, right? This is the book is for ordinary people. Right? And I’m just curious what you mean by ordinary people,

Mikal Shumate 55:26
people that have no spiritual training, particularly spiritual training. I try to keep all the blue stuff out of the book. No, it’s because I don’t want to put people in a position where they have to decide whether this stuff is real or not, you know, I don’t want to turn people off, it’s a process a very simple process of understanding our relationship to our existence on this planet, and how we can change our experience of that get into the point where we’re living in that, what krishnaji calls a beautiful state as compared to be in a stressful state. So if you’re experiencing negative emotions, you’re angry, you’re, you’re sad, you’re having you know, those kinds of experiences, you’re stressed. That’s one way to live life. The other way to live life is to, to recognize that those things are just thoughts in your mind. And it’s not you. So that you can and then to recognize an experience that you can be something other than that. And, you know, most people have had some kinds of, you know, really positive experiences in their life that they can relate to, to that sense, that feeling of being that way. And in my book, I take you through all the background understanding of how to get to the point where you can know that this is possible, and then it’s up to you to to do it.

Brandon Handley 57:07
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. I love it, man. What you know, and why now? Right? Why? Why? Why this book? Why now for you?

Mikal Shumate 57:16
Just, it’s how it evolved?

Brandon Handley 57:18
Yeah. Okay,

Mikal Shumate 57:19
I gotta do what I got to the point where I, where I understood it. I just was, I was just was guided, to be honest with you, I was just guided to, okay. You know, I’ve been, I’ve been writing these pieces and things like that, you know. And now it’s time to put all this stuff together. And because as I go, as I go along, in my training and my experiences and things like that I you know, kept it not necessarily a journal, but I kept a log would write things, things would be inside ones be inspired by I’d write it down. And so all that stuff I brought together into the book, and even the name of the book came to me, you know, I was just like, I was told, look all enlightenment. Let’s, let’s name your book. Okay.

Brandon Handley 58:10
I think I think it’s a great name for the book. And I, you know, I’m pretty excited. I haven’t read it yet myself. But I think that I think that what you’re talking about is going to speak to the blue collar people to those ordinary people to somebody who’s maybe had one or two experiences and doesn’t know how to kind of pin it down, right doesn’t know how to recreate those experiences. And it sounds to me like, you’re helping someone to, again, decipher the mysteries, right? And some of those mysteries are what was that feeling that I was feeling and how did this happen? Right, and then being able to pin it down, recreate it and and implement it for the rest of their lives that said about what it boils down to?

Mikal Shumate 58:48
That’s it’s a path to do that. Yeah, for sure. Why can you just all you have to do is do the work?

Brandon Handley 58:54
Do the work, right. I mean, that’s, that’s all that’s always the challenge, right? That’s the challenge is actually doing the damn things. Right. Dude is a simple,

Mikal Shumate 59:02
simple process. That is hard to do. For sure. So this

Brandon Handley 59:07
helps you to do that. Where Where can I send people to find out more about you and this book?

Mikal Shumate 59:14
Okay, well, I have a website. It’s love, like consciousness.com. My book is available to my website. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available on Melbourne press, who is the publisher of it? And there’s a number of things on the website. recently have happened. articles that have been published and that sort of thing that might interest people.

Brandon Handley 59:43
Okay. Would you call those kind of just add ons to the book, right? Be like, hey, since I’ve written the book, you might want to you might you might want to find out about this. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Well, great supplemental material can be found on love, light and consciousness as well as the full book, Michael, I just want to say thank you so much. much for joining us today on spiritual dopes Ben great.

Mikal Shumate 1:00:03
Hey, if you send me a link, I’ll put it on my website.

Brandon Handley 1:00:07
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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What do you do when you are diagnosed with cancer?

Do you curl up and ask why God why?

Or do you look for ways to serve?

I have known Allan Dubon for quite some time now, a few years at least…

A year ago at this time, we touched base for a brief conversation, and he asked me what he could do for the podcast I had been working on… and while we chatted, he told me that he had Leukemia.

My mind imploded a bit, and it was a continuation of his regular self… someone who is out there to serve you no matter what your field or background is.

Take a listen to hear where Allan learned how to give, even if, especially if you have nothing, and the impact it can have on your life.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here on with my good friend Alan do bond Allen has had quite a bit of impact on on the result actually, Alan, I reached out to you. When I thought of spiritual dope, I was like spiritual dope. And Alan and I’d worked together on the prosperity practice when I did that. I was like, I want to do this thing you’re like, Well, are you sure you really want to do the same? Or is that just another shiny object? I’m like, No, bro.

Unknown Speaker 0:34
I’m in. I’m

Brandon Handley 0:35
all in. And Alan was part of giving me the green light. And I think what’s really fun out is just as earlier this week, I’d interview somebody else that has been a big part of of helping to create the space that I’m in today. Right? So I’m really glad that what I’m able to do is share some of the people that have helped me to get to where I am today, with everybody else, right? Like, you know, it’s not like, it’s not like I did this by myself. Right. And I think that’s really important to know, like, I didn’t do this by myself.

Allan Dubon 1:07
Like, I love how, how this has worked out way better than prosperity practice. You know?

Brandon Handley 1:13
Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s so interesting. But before before we get into all that, right? Before we get into any of that, actually, and this is about you. This is about you today. Let’s give the audience a little bit of you know, who is our bond? Let’s get the let’s get the background. Who are you? What are you doing here? What’s

Allan Dubon 1:28
up? You know, I would have answered this question differently about a year ago, considering and I know, we’ll get into all that. So I won’t deep dive into that yet. But I’m really what what I’ve learned that I am, is I’m a guide for people to change their lives for the better. And I tend to go down the business route for that, you know, I came from, from immigrant parents. And, you know, my dad took off when I was nine, and, you know, poverty, you know, you can call a lot of it a sob story kind of stuff, you know, the other sad points that that are there and, and I just kind of use that to drive me to work harder, and promise to never be back in that by my own choice. You know, so yeah, so do you like business consulting and, and connecting with amazing people like you, and just try to serve the world with my talents as best I can.

Brandon Handley 2:30
Hello, brother, and you really do you do a great job of it? And you know, by connecting with others? I’ve never once seen you be like this over marketing guy. Maybe you were at one point. I don’t know. I know. I was like a man. I was like, hey, look at all my shit. I was like, hey, and like, you know, here’s 20 questions, engage, engage, engage, engage, engage. And then like, you know, fuck it. Anyways. You know, I think but I think that there’s a place for that. Everybody has to learn some way. But I appreciate what you do, how you go about it. And I think you’re the genuine, genuine deal. So that being said, what I like to start us off with is the idea that there’s somebody out there who is listening in and they’re listening for, like, you know, source talks through you and I right, yeah, listening to what source has to say to them? Through you today. What is that message?

Allan Dubon 3:27
Oh, that’s big man. For me, it’s don’t wait. Don’t wait to do the things that you’ve been saying you’re going to do. And it really comes from, like this past year that that have gone through March of last year, which we’re in the end of January here. So just shy of a year, I found that I had leukemia. And, man, you want to talk about a gut check, you know, and I come from the world of medical lab science, I actually worked in the laboratory for the cancer clinic hospital I went to a couple of years ago. So you know, just kind of knowing that, you know, we all know we’re gonna die at some point, but we all kind of think it’s further along. It’s another time and you know, unless you’re sick, right? But you’re not sick. I was doing great. I was losing weight. I was getting healthy, working out every day. And all of a sudden, everything just changed in my world stop. And so I realized I may not have the time that I thought I had to accomplish the things that I wanted to accomplish. And so for me, it’s don’t wait, get get to it.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, I love that. I think another message that you are a big proponent of as well as is, you know, stop playing small All right. So let’s talk a little bit about again, you know, let the don’t wait, right? What are some of the things that you felt like you were waiting on that you felt like you had time to accomplish? And then like, you know, going through the sickness, you know, what were some of those, you know, things got hammered home, right? Like, oh, shit, if I get, look, I, you may not have been this guy, man. Dear God, if I get out of this, I want to do this. There’s no need to peanut butter sandwiches, right? So, you know, what were some what were some of the promises, like maybe you made to yourself while you laid there and gone through this? And then, you know, where do you see those going?

Allan Dubon 5:44
Yeah, part of it was realizing a little bit more of what’s important. So I’ve gotten kind of caught up in my identity as a provider. And I think that happens to men a lot, you know, at least from my experience. And so I was really pushing that provider thing, you know, my wife would, she was very good at saying, Hey, we need you. And that’s okay, well, let me calm down the business a little bit, you know, rearrange some stuff at work, and, you know, take me a couple weeks to wind that down to, to be able to give them more time. And sometimes that was the frustration, right? I’m doing this for you guys, for my wife and for my kids. And, you know, I think sometimes when you you come from poverty, and you get a chance to not be there, you drive that part home, but you forget, I may still be here, but I can be an absentee Dad, you know, and I don’t think I got that far. But, but I definitely could have fallen into that trap, you know. So that’s kind of one of the big things that that came from that and then, you know, not waiting to travel and stuff. Like, my wife and I talked about traveling for a long time. And, and it was, well, we’ll do this, we’ll do that. You know, and, and now it’s okay, as soon as things get a little bit, right with my health a little bit, you know, thank goodness, I’m cancer free. Now. Now, it’s just getting getting more strength back in my body, and getting what I like to lovingly call my puppy shots, and get my vaccines because it wipes out your whole immune system. And so, once I get vaccinated, a little bit of strength, and we kind of recover a little bit from the the financial hit, that comes with something like this. It’s traveling, you know, so that’s gonna be a big thing for us. And then I think the third biggest lesson was, get out of debt. Like, you know, we didn’t have crazy amounts of debt. But I’ll tell you what, when you’re, when you’re looking at it, and you say, if I die, I wasn’t afraid of death, I was free to leave my family crippled with debt and other stuff that I took care of. And we could go through, you know, as when things are normal. Now I’m very focused on we’re going to get out of debt, so that if anything ever happens, we don’t have to worry about that. No,

Brandon Handley 8:24
no, that’s powerful. Right? It’s powerful. I love the idea, right? You know, you always you always putting something off, because of, you know, when we have enough or when is the right time, right. And then there’s also the idea of, you know, just like you said, you know, what else is important as you know, to have that family time, right, you that’s something that you can never get back. Right? You can never you can never get that back. And I know that I’m guilty of, you know, kind of the same thing you’re talking about sometimes it’s ways too far, one way, right? The pendulum is always swinging, right? It’s like, is there too much time with them? Is this forced time and they can tell like they can tell like you’re just making time just to make time? Right? Like, they’re like, No, just go away. We don’t even want to hang out with you. Right? And then there’s a time when you know, you’re everybody’s there and it’s a it’s a good time, right? Like, I know that we spent last night watching Ant Man like all together just like impromptu, right. And it was just it was just great. Like there was no it was no no force to it. And everyone’s just kind of chillin and I’m remember, just now on the fucking couch watching anime hanging out, right because that was great. Let’s talk about like, the spiritual side of it right? Because I know that again. We were talking a little bit before here. I love that you brought this up like how you were, you were forced to kind of determine whether or not like what you believe spiritually was showing up in your world outside and it caused you to kind of take a deep look at that. Something I’m definitely curious about, especially going through what you went through, right? having known you, you know, a little bit prior to and a little bit after him, I’m definitely curious to see kind of what’s changed for you in that in that aspect.

Allan Dubon 10:12
Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things that pretty much covered your bullshit, right? Like, where? Where is it? Where is it Bs and where is it real? You know, and, and I think sometimes it becomes that trial of your faith, as far as you got to prove it. And it’s never perfect, right? Just kind of like life. And you know, you’re never the perfect Dad, you’re never the perfect husband. But you can be a really damn good one, you know?

Unknown Speaker 10:38
Sure. Real quick.

Brandon Handley 10:39
Absolutely. Real quick, though. Do you have a faith background? Do you have a faith based background?

Allan Dubon 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I was born when I was born, we were Catholic. And, you know, I think that’s a default setting on Latinos. Know, that, you know, everybody we knew was Catholic and all that kind of stuff. And then we moved to Utah. And we became LDS, you know, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And, and that’s been my, my background. You know, and it’s been really interesting. Because I don’t fit necessarily that mold as as ultra conservative ultra, this, you know, ultra that. But it’s, it’s brought a lot of great value to me, and a lot of a lot of where my understanding comes from, you know, and so, you know, when when I was told what happened, you know, hey, you’ve got your white blood cell count 68,000. Well, like I said, I’m a lab scientist who is trained in cancer stuff in blood cancers. I told the doctor, I’m like, Well, shit, that’s cancer. I know. She goes, yep, she goes, I can’t tell you. Because you know, you got to do all the confirmatory, especially, but you and I both know, it’s cancer. I was like, yep. Okay, cool. Here we go. You know, and at first, everything happens so fast, you don’t have time to think you’re scared, but you don’t quite know what you’re scared of. it because it’s happening so fast. But once I got into the hospital, I’m sitting there, and you know, you get a long time even, even though my wife was there. She’s in her head with her thoughts. I’m in my head with my thoughts. You know, we’ll hold hands and stuff, but sometimes, it’s like, she wasn’t there. For both ways, right? Like to her I wasn’t there. And

Brandon Handley 12:39
yeah, man, look, I mean, you guys just both like, speculating on what the hell is? What’s the future? What’s the future hold right now? Because, you know, somebody says cancer, and you’re like, well, I don’t know that I’m gonna have all the time that I need to get everybody to where they got to get to and do all these things. You know, house, you know, vice versa, right? Like in here, like how, you know, how do I get through this? Right? How do I get through this stick with my family? I still never been to Brazil, and I gotta go. Right? Right. Like, I never make Carnival shit. I always make carnival. Right. And I never went like, I mean, you know, Jesus, if you saved me now.

Allan Dubon 13:18
You know, and, you know, funny you say that. And I and, and I don’t think it’s bad. If that’s where you default to, like, Hey, I’m going to promise to do this. You know, we hear about stuff from religious folks, they religious leaders that have done that, and that’s how they change their life, you know. But, but I really didn’t want to fall into that I wanted to be as I guess, real as I could about it, you know, definitely promised to be a little bit better. You know, obviously, you know, I think that’s human default. But, but I didn’t want to negotiate with God. Because because in my opinion, it’s already kind of written out a little bit. You know, I’m not a, I’m not a no matter what I do is going to end up this way. But but very much like, I think I don’t, you know, so I’m not gonna win, right. I

Brandon Handley 14:06
mean, there’s the there’s God’s got a plan for everybody kind of thing. Right.

Allan Dubon 14:10
Yeah. And so, you know, just kind of going through that. And it was one of the biggest things to me was, I’ve always said that I wasn’t afraid of death. Maybe the mechanism of death. I don’t know. Fire. Not so happy.

Unknown Speaker 14:25
Right, right. I think we all kind of go out in our sleep, right?

Allan Dubon 14:28
Yes, yes.

Brandon Handley 14:28
I’d like it to be asleep, painless. I mean, or, you know, whatever. big truck one

Allan Dubon 14:33
or the other. For sure. You know, so that’s kind of where I was like, Okay, I’m here I am. I am a little nervous. But I had to, I had to think about it, right. And so it’s like, well, I can’t control that. If I die. That’s not up to me. We can do everything we can on this side. But at the end, it’s not up to me. And so it’ll be The adventure and so if I die, and what I believe is true, then there’s happiness on the other side. And it’s a little sad because I’m leaving my family, but I’ll know that they’ll join me later, you know? Sure. If it’s not true and not we don’t exist after then I don’t know better. So that’s fine, too, you know? So, you know, there’s there’s that element, and then, but mostly it was, you know, we talked a little bit about this before was, is this a curse on me? Or is this a blessing on me? Is it all bad? Like, where’s our attitude? You know? And, and I’ll be honest, I went through a little bit of the Why me? God, I’m a good person, I help people. Sure, you know, and, and then I started thinking of like, well, Michelle’s, my wife was like, Michelle’s mom died of colon cancer. And from everything I hear about her, she’s an amazing person better than me. Right? So why, why would I be better than her? In this negotiation, if you don’t diagnose? Good, you know what I mean? Right, right. And I’ve met other people that I know, that are amazing people who cross the line, and they went to the other side, and so sure, you know, so there was that part. But I think what really pulled me out of this pity spiral that I like to call it is I, I went back to some of my core principles, and it was what do you do? When things suck, you do what you can, and then you serve others. And I learned that from my mom, we didn’t have lots to eat, you know, growing up and, and stuff like that we get some pantry help from churches, or from the, you know, the state people that do that kind of stuff, right. But I remember she got connected with a local grocery store. And they, they were just throwing out their, their bread that had like a day left or whatever, you know, they they old or they day left or something like that. Sure. And she wouldn’t talk to the baker and said, hey, why do you guys throw this out there like, well, it’s only got a day and we can’t sell it, you know, and we got new stuff coming out. So once or short, she got that connected to where we would go up there, we didn’t have a car. So we would take these little push cart things, walk up to the store about a mile away. And the baker would give us the day old stuff so that we could give it away. Other folks who didn’t have a lot of money, right? Well, that turned out to be so good. And my mom connected with enough people that after a while, they were sending a small box car full of a bunch of groceries that they were just throwing out. Yeah. And they knew my mom wasn’t going to go sell it right now is the big thing. And so we were helping people from all over the state, you know, within reason, sugar, driving, distance and all that, but we didn’t have some time stuff for ourselves to eat. And here we were helping other folks. You know, and I remember talking to my mom about it, and she says you serve others when when things get bad. You serve others. Yeah. And she goes when one of us eats we all eat. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, you know, and so when I when I got that pity in when I was in the hospital, and I was in there during the big COVID part, right? Yeah. But my wife was able to be there right at first. So that made it easier, scary, but easier. And then the second time I went in they they said nobody can be there with you. So now truly alone with my thoughts. Yeah, that’s where it can get. Kinda.

Brandon Handley 18:41
Well, that’s what I mean. I remember, I think you reached out to me. We reached out, we chatted with each other a little bit while you were in there, right? You’re like, how can I help you? And I was just like, Yeah, I just love that. That was your attitude, right? Like, there you were, there’s really no answers for you. Right? You got no answers. And you’re going out kicking. Kicking right? Like it just it didn’t, I’m sure there were there must have been moments where you know, you were just down, right? There’s no, there’s no way. You kind of get through all that you don’t have a couple of those moments. But I love what you’re saying they’re they’re right. When you’re down and out. You know, you do do what you can for yourself that you know what you’re in control of, and then you know, try to serve others. that’s a that’s a great, great way to be.

Allan Dubon 19:34
Yeah, and it’s not easy, man. Like, and I don’t say that, like, Oh, I’m awesome, because it wasn’t easy, nothing like that. But sometimes I had to fake it and just try, you know, and and so, one of the things I was like, You know what, there’s about 13 to 15 people that visit me every day, you know, between the doctors and the CNAs and the cleaning folks and you know everything that everybody comes in As I said, they’re not always the same. It’s a learning institution. You know, it’s connected to the university and stuff. And so we get different kinds of folks coming in, and then some of the same people. And I thought, you know, let’s learn their stories, because we get so caught up in Well, they’re here to take care of me. Right? Yeah, that’s their job. Right. And they do it very amazingly, by the way, shout out to Huntsman Cancer. Nice, because their people are just miles above any. I’ve worked in healthcare, my whole life, pretty much. And these guys are just miles above everybody else. But you know, it’s still their job. Right? They’re worried about their college credits their kids, their everything, right, for sure. And so I started to talk to them about the stuff that I was good at, you know, business and Future Planning and missing this and, and really helped me take my mind off of me. Sure. Self beneficial, you know, right. But we talked about their goals, and, you know, they come back and they didn’t have tons of time. So this little 10 minutes thing, they’re hooking me up or whatever, right on. And it’s like, Cool, well, how’s your classes? You know, there’s a guy that that was in a freaking concentration camp. Or not concentration. When they’re going away from like, a refugee, thank you refugee. See, there’s my cancer fog, but I thought it was weird sometimes. But yeah, so he’s in a refugee camp for several years, right, came over to the states started, started the process, you know, he started school, and there were some other friends that came with him from that camp. And, you know, life happened to him, you know, he got married and some other stuff, and now is not married. And, you know, so to get a little rough honey, he stopped his schooling, and he’s like, ah, maybe I’m too old. Maybe I’m to this, like, Look, dude, let’s get you back in school. You know, like, it’s still your goal. So you had four years that, that didn’t go the right way. Sure, I still gonna keep living. So those years are gonna keep ticking let’s and so then he signed back up for school. That’s awesome. He came back and thanked me and I can’t I just can’t tell you how amazing that felt that he was. I mean, I hate school. So I feel like I punished him. But you know, and as they know, it’s gonna get his dreams and his career going and he wants to go be a nurse practitioner eventually. And so, you know, get some back on track to do that, you know, and talking to others about their life and their heart stories. And, you know, one of the nurses that told her she needs to read a book because she’s had some siblings died, and her mom’s died. And I think her dad was still around, but it was kind of sketchy. You know, how that went. And so, but she was pushed through all of that. And statistically, she shouldn’t be there, right? statistically, she should be in the hood, just being poor and, and working a menial job. Right, and then falling into, or falling into the same traps that her parents were into, you know, right. But But she broke through, you know, and so, just kind of things like that, that, that really opened my eyes to, hey, yeah, they’re health care workers. But but they’re people first,

Brandon Handley 23:25
right? Right. Now,

Unknown Speaker 23:27
it’s so easy, it’s

Brandon Handley 23:28
so easy to lose sight of that, right? It’s so easy to lose, you know, these people are here to save my ass. Right? And you forget that they’re, you know, you can, you can easily forget that. There are people to just like you’re saying, but, you know, I’m gonna lean back in again, one more time into, you know, kind of the serving people right to take, take it off yourself, even if even if, you know, sometimes you have to fake it, right? I just had this conversation this past week, like, even if you have to fake it a little bit. Yeah, even if it’s not even coming from the most genuine place. It’s still a lot better than just about anything else you could be doing. Right? Like even if you’re like, even if you’re certain, like in some point, at some point, it becomes there’s a tilting point right? You know, for like a while here. I mean, we talked about this from when I when I did follow him for the rest of us, right? For a while there, it was like I’m doing this for all the wrong reasons. But then at some point, it’s like, I’m like, that’s just becomes who I am. And now I’m doing it for the right reasons. So it’s just kind of like it’s like a training mechanism training tool, right. So that now when you go out there and you’re like, I’m, I’m serving to serve is there’s really not this like there’s not an mo right, there’s not like something behind an agenda behind it. Right. And when you start doing that, like you start feeling like you know, sounds like you were feeling right, like you’re connected, there’s your your your your your mind is taken off of all of your woes when you’re focused on helping somebody else. You know,

Allan Dubon 24:57
I’ve always well, not always When I learned this principle, I created a little saying it’s, you become what you act. And so, and it’s not a fake act, it’s, if I want and I learned at first with weight loss stuff. You know, if I keep eating like a 350 pound man I’m gonna stay in. That’s where I was right? So 350 was my number. And I’m like, if I want to weigh 180 or 200, I got to eat and move, like a person who’s 180 or 200. And I’m not there yet, so I have to act like that. And am I gonna mess up? You betcha. I love ice cream. You know, you can poison me with peanut butter and ice cream. Those are my two. My two big things right. But that

Brandon Handley 25:47
ice creams are poisonous. No.

Allan Dubon 25:51
But, but it’s okay. I messed up today. I had a big bowl of ice cream or whatever. Yeah, well, guys that weigh 200 eat ice cream. Yeah. But they don’t eat it every single day. And they don’t you know, when they enjoy a big indulgent thing, they might go for a run or walk longer. Wait, lift longer, right. And so it started being that it’s, it’s what you act you become. And so you know, that that’s kind of, like

Brandon Handley 26:21
buying 100% man or buying 100% you know, me, this is again, you know, the exact process that I went through with my father and for the rest of us. And also just with anybody else out there that you’re listening to like anybody you’re you know, mentorship through even like, through all the online videos, YouTube and all the other stuff. Like, you start taking that on everything that this goes back to those sayings like you know, your weight. Are you Wayne Dyer fan? Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 26:49
Yeah. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 26:50
he’s got that story. Like, you know, he asked me to say, so if I ask Alan, like, when I squeeze an orange, what am I gonna get out of it?

Allan Dubon 26:57
Oh, I don’t know him that well.

Brandon Handley 26:58
So it says like, the answers on shoes, right, but like,

Allan Dubon 27:01
Oh, well, that he had something more special.

Brandon Handley 27:06
So the deal is, so that’s all you can get out of it. Because that’s all you know, that’s all I can ever come out of it. Right? This is an orange juice. That’s, that’s what’s inside of it. So the other idea though, is like, whatever you keep putting inside of yourself, that’s all it’s gonna be able to come out. Right. So this content that you’re trying whoever it is that you’re trying to become whoever it is that you’re acting as if as I’m an acting as if you like, this is who I am now. That’s all that can come out. Right? And you you act as if you, you consume all that and and you put all that in you and that’s eventually quite literally all that can come out. It’s It’s It’s uncanny. Right? And I think that it takes a takes a little bit of time. But once you make that decision and start to step into it, like you’re, you’re you’re that 180 pound man that you’re talking about, right? Yeah.

Allan Dubon 27:53
Yeah, I had a teacher tell me because I was I was going through some pity cycles stuff. You know, my dad’s gone. We don’t have a lot of money. And, you know, yeah, like, like, stacking up all the stuff that is against me

Brandon Handley 28:06
are now pretty limitations.

Allan Dubon 28:08
Yeah. And, and he told me, you know, you choose to be happy. And my young brain, I didn’t say this to him out of respect from inside. I’m like, EFF you, dude. You got family, you got her perfect life a beautiful wife. You guys make money here as a teacher, so I thought they made money. Boy was Iraq. But, you know, so my head, his life was perfect. Sure. Well, he had a kid that was going through some stuff. And you know, it just wasn’t perfect. Like I thought it was and he’s not making the kind of money he should because he’s a freakin teacher, you know. And so, you know, it all kind of clicked several years later, but I, for some reason, I always remembered him saying that. And then so I was still in that bad cycle. And I said, Okay, I’m going to choose to be happy. So I literally woke up and said, I’m going to be happy. And I felt like such a liar. You know, which I was, I wasn’t happy. But I kept saying that every morning I kept saying and then all sudden, I just started being more positive. Sure, nice. My circumstances didn’t change. They’re still poor kid and, you know, all the others crap that that are talked about, but I chose to be happy. And so I think that’s part of that was the beginning foundation of this stuff that I’ve learned and magnified through my cancer experience, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:42
which, you know, you talked about being called on your Bs, right, like, on what you believe? What were some of the things you felt like you were called on and your spirituality and like, you know, what, what kind of maybe got strengthened and how you apply that to this.

Allan Dubon 29:55
Um, part of it was, was talking to God right and So, to me, I don’t think you have to necessarily get on your knees and, you know, Dear Heavenly Father kind of thing, like, I do that. But I also think that you can talk way more often. Like, there’s times when you go talk to your parent that it’s a little more formal. And then there’s other times you’re like, Hey, Mom, you know, what do you mean by this? You just throw it out there. And let her let her ruminate on that a while and she gets back to you. You know? So it’s a little bit more of that, right? Like, and so it was, I did that more. And then it’s like, why did I ever let that go? You know, and not that it was gone completely, but I wasn’t doing it as much as like, I got an open channel, you know, like what you say, you know, God source universe, like, I love that, you know, because you can, you can label whatever you want. And

Brandon Handley 30:52
look at what it is, whatever it is, whatever, it clears that channel for you. Right? Like, if if you’ve got to tune in to Fox to get your information, you got to like, I mean, I don’t care how you, you know what channel you call it, right? But it’s the one it’s, it’s a filtration system, right? Your mind is a filtration system, right? And you’re in like, for a lot of a lot of other people like the word God is just it’s a bad fucking filter, right? Yeah. So if I call it universe, I’m totally Oh, universe. Well, that’s different. Right? Like, let me tune into that. I feel it’s right. So. So there’s just there’s like this open lane of something that’s never been filtered. Right. So so that way that just like, like, it’s just a brilliant conduit. So that’s why that’s, that’s my reasoning and logic. I’m getting closer to being able to use God myself, like just, you know, being comfortable with it, because it’s not something I was ever comfortable with. Yeah, but I’d like to hear so tell me more about like, what are some of the conversations you have? Right? What’s some of the feedback?

Allan Dubon 31:59
It was, it was a lot of, you know? Am I fulfilling my purpose? Am I being good enough to people? You know, am I loving my wife enough? Like, you know, I’m thinking here my time, my might, my temp, my ticket might get stamped here in a second, you know, and I get on that train to the other side, you know, and so, did I do enough to show my wife I loved her, I cared about her was a good enough man to her. You know, just all these things? And same thing with my children? Did I teach them enough lessons that they’re going to be? Okay. Like, like, if I go out? Yeah, they’re gonna suffer some, and they’re gonna be sad, and they’re gonna know, but that I give them enough tools to work through their life, to learn things to be good to other folks and to become good members of society, you know, and be able to take care of their families. Did I do enough of that? You know, did I serve my fellow man enough? Or was it all lip service? I could put it on Instagram, you know,

Brandon Handley 33:14
call me out, bro.

Allan Dubon 33:19
Lot of that kind of stuff. And

Brandon Handley 33:21
so what was I mean, you know what, you know? What were some of the responses that you felt like you got?

Allan Dubon 33:30
I felt that I was told that I had done well with what I knew. And that I was going to be given a chance to be even better.

Brandon Handley 33:40
So you had a sense of hope? Yeah. That message me a response message, right?

Allan Dubon 33:47
Yeah, there’s times where I’m like, I think my I think I’m hoping I think I’m telling myself,

Brandon Handley 33:53
I got the wrong line.

Allan Dubon 33:55
That was me saying to me, like, you’re not gonna die, you know? Cuz that’s a great

Brandon Handley 34:00
question, though. Right? How do you differentiate from you know, this is a, you know, I’m sure it’s a slippery slope, but like, how do you differentiate the response that you get from yourself versus when you get from God?

Allan Dubon 34:12
To me it was, or at least what I felt right. It was a feeling. Yeah, it was. It was a feeling that I didn’t feel like I was doing it for me. Like being told that I was going to live through this sometimes felt scarier than Hey, you’re checking out in too much. Yeah, cuz you got a lot of bills you’re racking up.

Brandon Handley 34:34
You’re gonna have to show up for like, you’re like really, really? Well, you know, listen, if I just finished up this pudding and, and roll out like, I’m cool with that. Because Yeah, because there’s there must have been some of that thought too, right? Like, be like, holy shit. Like, when I come out of this, like, I might even be destitute, I’m going to be worse off like, yo, you know, the struggles are going to be real, right? Like, what’s the quality of life going to be if I if I if I do get to live This Yeah,

Allan Dubon 35:01
yeah, those are all real. That’s the not pretty part of it. Right? Not that there’s really any part of it right? Yeah. But you know what I mean, though, like, like, there’s stuff for you like, Yes, I got to ring the bell, because that’s kind of a big thing in cancer stuff is when you when you’re told you’re sorry, my daughter calls me when somebody rings it. But But, uh, that’s funny on a ring. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things. It’s like, okay, yeah, I get a ring the bell and I get to say, you know, cancer free or I finished my transplant or, you know, what, what does that mean? Like, I walked out of there looking like a freaking cancer patient. I’m a brown guy, and I was pretty white, we were pretty pale. You know, and, and then I lost like, 100 pounds. And he wants

Unknown Speaker 35:55
to do it that way.

Allan Dubon 35:56
Yeah, you know, I couldn’t pick up 50 pounds. And I know, this is from a guy who could pick up 300 pounds with relative ease, you know, like, yeah, it’s heavy, but I could do it, you know. And now I can’t even pick up 50 pounds, it was heavy, can you open my

Brandon Handley 36:13
eyes that must have felt like, you know, especially coming from, you know, Western society, being a male needing to be kind of this strong guy and facing your mortality, and then also facing like, you know, all these things that you couldn’t do, and needing help, especially when you’ve labeled yourself and identified as the provider.

Allan Dubon 36:33
Yeah. Well, and, and also the protector, right? and stuff growing up against women and that I don’t stand for, like, I can’t tolerate that. And now being in a position that if somebody came up and slapped my wife, or my kids are some, I pretty much I got to sit there and you know, like, I still go fight them, but they kicked my ass, you know?

Brandon Handley 36:56
I’ll come in for you.

Allan Dubon 36:58
You know, but but it’s, it’s that thing. Like I could not protect my family. And that, that both financially and physically right. So that, that messes my head a lot. Well,

Brandon Handley 37:09
I mean, that I mean, that’s the whole like, I mean, I hate to, again, I’m not a genius, dude, I’m not big on the Bible, but like, kind of the meek shall inherit the earth or like, kind of going through that feeling like, feeling I’m not even saying like, you know, you’re inheriting the earth, but like you going through this process of just being completely and totally. You’ve got to surrender right to everything. So I mean, yeah, tell me a little bit about, you know, applying that to your situation because surrenders big, big one, for sure.

Allan Dubon 37:36
You know, my wife and I discussed this, we didn’t use that word. I wish I would have had it. And I’m gonna talk to her tonight when she gets home from work, you know? But, uh, you know, she’s like, How can you be so calm about this, you know, cuz she’d have moments where she just she tried to be so strong, like, too strong. And then it would break. And so she cried. I’m like, I’m sorry. You’re the one going through this. And we know, we are going through this. You know, and, and so one of the things that I told her as I said, I had to give up, not give up on fighting, give up on controlling any of this. We are not in control, not you know, we talked about believing in God and that he’s in control. I said, we’re still human, we still want to be in control. And we think this, we think that we’re in control of stuff. We’re not not at, all right.

Brandon Handley 38:29
Wrong, people are flying through the sky and all these other things. We’re like, I got this, right. Thomas Moore.

Allan Dubon 38:36
Yeah. So like, you know, one of the biggest things was they had to stick a needle in my back, all the way into my spinal cord, pull out spinal, cerebral spinal fluid, awesome. And then put in methotrexate chemo and another candidate I remember the other 10 was called a screw

Brandon Handley 38:55
for the bone for how to

Allan Dubon 38:57
go Yeah, sir, to make sure that the if anything went past the, the brain barrier, then if they killed that too, right, because that’s my kind of leukemia likes to hide there. And so they check it do a count and then put that stuff back and tell you what and they don’t they numb the spot where they put it in, that’s it, you don’t get anything else. So you are wide awake and you know, fully lucid and you know, stuff like that. And you know, they punctured into my lung to get a biopsy when I got pneumonia and you know, once again, they just numb the spot. And the rest of you is very much awake, you know. And so these things are are pretty scary, because of the level of payments that are they can numb it up but there’s still pain. Yeah. And, and then the lack of control. Right?

Brandon Handley 39:55
Right. Like you got no control over that I

Allan Dubon 39:57
got I can control my breathing. Not flinching, you know? And so that’s all I focused on. Like, if I flinch, they could hit a nerve. They can collapse my lawn, you know? And a real comfortable stuff, right? You didn’t know you’d get an anatomy lesson here. But what I controlled my breathing, right? What I could, right. So this is kind of coming back to that, that pity party stuff, I control what I can and then I serve others. So Mike Okay, how the hell do you serve others when they’re stabbing something in your back? Those came through the back one of the top for the lungs and one, you know, times it wasn’t just a one time thing you know, we talked about stuff I used to sell real estate. So we talked about real estate and the guy was buying a house and something oh, you know, ask your mortgage lender this and do that and don’t buy this. And he’s like, dude, how are you? Like, so focused on a mic? Because if I focus on what you’re doing, I’m gonna freak out.

Brandon Handley 41:00
Right, right, right. Now that’s true, right?

Allan Dubon 41:04
Totally self serving.

Brandon Handley 41:06
But again, you know, again, like, you know, you’re doing it to, you know, you’re doing it in a way is like, how can I still help this person along? And when you’re doing that, again, like, it’s just, it’s almost like a burdens lifted off you. And it’s really also a lot how we start the podcast off, right? Like, there’s something that if you open yourself up to it, right? Like, if you’re asking a question is how can I serve this person? What can I do to serve this person? source will provide you with something, right? And while you’re filled with doing that thing, you’re essentially being filled with source, right? Like you’re, you know, so there’s this kind of life giving thing flowing through you, so that you can provide to this other person and it takes away your pain, man.

Allan Dubon 41:50
Yeah, it’s how I surrendered back to the original thought of this. Yeah. How I surrendered, it was forced on me, I could always decline you. They always tell you, you don’t have to do any of this. We can just give you stuff to keep you comfortable. And I gotta live. I have to be right. You know, I got kids, I got to fight for my wife. I got to fight for you know. And so as like, if you guys think I got a shot, I’m fighting he, you know, we’re doing this. Yeah. But they always say, Hey, you got a choice. You don’t have to do this. All right. Well, my surrender was, I can pray all day. But if I just pray and don’t take the action, you know, back to the Bible. Faith without works is dead, right? Yeah. So yeah, God is powerful. But he’s given us science. He’s given us all of these tools that aren’t yet. Right. But they’re the best things that we have.

Brandon Handley 42:45
But yeah. Yeah, for our level of understanding, right, yeah, we can

Allan Dubon 42:51
eat healthy, we can do good. But the blueberries not gonna take away the cancer. You know.

Unknown Speaker 42:57
I love antioxidants.

Allan Dubon 42:59
But, but I can eat the good stuff to help feed my body so that it’s can tolerate what’s going to happen to it a lot better. Right. And he got that’s kind of the approach I took was faith, body nutrition, which I’m still not perfect at. And, and science, right, let them do what they’re gonna do. I can control what goes in my mouth. And sometimes I don’t choose well, because of ice cream.

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Most tracks.

Brandon Handley 43:32
So when Yeah, let’s just talk a little bit about how like maybe your has this change kind of your, you know, going through the cancer, reconnecting. having these conversations with God. How do you feel like that’s helping you move forward for a more fulfilling life right now?

Allan Dubon 43:48
You know, it really woke me up. Like what I said at the beginning, you don’t have time. You just don’t? Yeah, so it’s a little more urgency. Not enough fear, like, Oh, crap, I’m gonna die. But in a dude, I gotta get my butt moving. I can’t half asset, you know? Sure. And that the world is good. You know, we’ve we’ve seen a lot of craziness, no matter what, you know, here in the States, no matter what political side you’re on, there’s craziness on both sides. Sure. And, and, you know, manifests in different ways. And, and so there’s a lot of that, and the news media wants to just sell us scary stuff, you know, tornadoes, politics, you know, and everything else in between. But I got a chance. This is where the blessings come in. I got a chance to not have to focus on that. I didn’t have the energy to focus on that. While I was crazy, I didn’t have to write right. And I get to see what beautiful people there are in the world, huh? I got to see people. You know, my my wife’s cousin. Just Did a little GoFundMe for us, you know, one of the people that donated reminded me that story of the widow’s mite, you know, the rich guys were tightening everything and just throwing buckets of money in. And she threw in essentially a quarter, you know, or whatever. And because that’s all she had, well, there’s a lady who she’s like, on her third round of cancer, her husband and her son have died of cancer. Wow. And like, all of this crap, and she gave 20 bucks. And she was amongst the smallest donations monetarily. But I’ll tell you what, to me, she stood out the most. Because here she is. I’m getting I’m really starting to understand at that point. I haven’t even seen the biggest bills, but I’m starting to see him and I’m like, holy poop, you know, like, how are we going to do this? Right? And here she was, has lost the stuff that’s most important in her life. She’s fighting alone. And she’s willing to give me 20 bucks in my fight. Right? You know, and she doesn’t really know me. She knows sister in law, you know? And so it was stuff like that people, how can we help you? How can we do this, you know, our next door neighbors, when I had to get in my very first time being admitted. They called us and within, they said, you need to be here within an hour. Well, I live 45 minutes away from the hospital, and they’re like, be here within an hour or you lose your room. Oh, you know, and they’re like, and you’re kind of cancer needs immediate attention. Okay. So we go to the neighbors, essentially, my wife pretty much tells them here, take my kids, were going to the hospital, they didn’t know I had cancer. Because we hadn’t told anybody. We didn’t want to stir the pot yet until we knew what we’re fighting. Right? All of a sudden, it was real and right now, right? She’s crying, and she’s telling them and we don’t know, when we’re gonna be back. You know, her and her husband were like, go, just go. Don’t worry about it. We can bring you clothes, we can go buy your underwear, what you will bring your stuff just go. Right, you know, don’t miss your spot. And so we grabbed a couple things, you know, and I was there for two weeks. We didn’t know that. Yeah. And I think I’ll be honest, I don’t really remember if my wife went home, she might after a few days to get some clothes, in and out. And then back. So my kids were with the neighbors then with my, my, my wife’s brother, and his wife, you know, for a little bit and stuff like that. And so it was just people who stepped in, who have busy lives, they’re doing their stuff, you know, right. And all of a sudden, our emergency and they’re stepping in, you know, and just lots of acts of kindness. You know, we’re talking about Instagram, you know, posting stuff on Instagram, somebody gave us what, what I think is called a heart attack I’ve learned. And so they come in and just put a bunch of hearts on your door and like little nice messages. You know, we love you. Nice. Yeah. Well, I told you I got a ring, right? My ring wasn’t working. So I have no idea who it was. Right? And so they came in, did a heart attack. And then all sudden, we have this big knock. And it’s like, eight or nine o’clock? I don’t remember. So like Who the heck, you know, right? So we go downstairs and just see this beautiful message. That’s great. It’s it’s cheap construction paper and

Brandon Handley 48:37
workers. You know, I mean, like the money, it says he hasn’t that doesn’t have to take a whole lot to just do some acts of kindness or make somebody’s day. Right you. And and again, I’m gonna go back to how you feel while you’re doing it. Right. You know, is is kind of the key, right? You’re gonna feel good, like, you know, you feel good. The recipient feels good. You’re not in control of how the recipient is going to receive that. But as long as you are in the spirit of giving to give, and you’re not in the spirit of giving to receive a reaction. Yes. Right. Because I mean, that’s, that’s a big thing, too. Right. So I think that that’s kind of what you’re illustrating here is right giving without, like, this expectation, giving, you know, so that, you know, you can be of service to others. And you know, kind of, you know, I think the other part was like, you know, you asked it in your conversation with God is like, Am I fulfilling my purpose? I think that’d be a word. What was the answer to that one? What did you feel on that?

Allan Dubon 49:38
I felt that I had done well, but not good enough, and I heard a little it wasn’t a reprimand. But it was a you can do better. And, and really, it’s about being more purposeful. Not just We got an extra 300 bucks around Christmas time, let’s, let’s see how we can get some gifts for that, which is great. And that’s that’s a good thing. But now, you know, somebody took care of our Christmas for us. And a couple families, you know, and, and they organized and all this kind of stuff and my kids now are like, Dad, can we do that for somebody next year once you got your job again? Because I’m not working and stuff? Right? It was awesome. Well, I

Brandon Handley 50:25
mean, I still got you still got your consultant services, and you’re still able to do that. Right. So I mean, I know that you’ve had some tremendous success there in the past, I know that you’ve helped me, you know, put put business stuff together, you’ve helped me put my websites together. So I know that that’s stuff that you’re still capable of doing.

Allan Dubon 50:43
Yeah. And it’s just, you know, I’m, I’m just getting to the point where I can consider that. Right. You know, cuz, energy wise,

Unknown Speaker 50:52
are you still pretty depleted?

Allan Dubon 50:54
Yeah. So it’s, it’s the commitment, right? Like, could I build a website? Yeah, but can I commit to

Brandon Handley 51:01
a timeline?

Unknown Speaker 51:03
Yeah.

Allan Dubon 51:05
Stuff like that. It’s kind of teaching me that patience. And that. Would you call it? Surrender? surrendering? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. It’s okay. I’m learning patience. That’s what I mean, right now. Yeah. And I hate it. But I get the value of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Brandon Handley 51:32
I mean, there’s, there’s a whole idea of like, you don’t you don’t have to slow down but Calm down, right. Like, take it slow. Not even again, not slow, deliberate, purposeful, intentional pace, right? Not not frantic, as if there weren’t enough for everybody. Because there is right and and not, you know, I love your experience is is also to the idea of Providence, right? Like, you know, you’ve been the provider, but people will provide for you. Right? And, and it’s not that it’s something that you’re not looking for a charity, but it’s something that will happen naturally, if you kind of allow for it, right? Again, the Providence surrendering to the universe to God, whatever, just being like, Hey, I’m doing what I can, right. So you know, what does it mean? So, what does it feel like? Then? I guess if you know, if you’re not fulfilling, what do you feel like you could be doing more? Do you feel like you need to be playing bigger? You know, what, what’s that look like for you?

Allan Dubon 52:37
Excuse me a little bit of both, right? It’s I was, I had exceeded I like to I’m a data nerd. So statistically, people who had my upbringing, don’t reach where I’ve reached, sure. But to me, that’s not good enough. And it’s not to aggrandized myself, it’s, I can serve others. And so it’s, it’s that tool of, or not the tool, it’s getting the tool, which is money, and connections and stuff like that, so that I can then teach others how to grow out of their situation, wherever that might be. Right. Right. And so claim bigger to that with urgency. But not frantic, like you said, calm down. Right. But that’s my calling, right? It’s made very crystal clear to me. And, and, you know, taking care of people in that sense. And then planning and purposefully doing things like, hey, once I get my job back, we’re gonna, or I can do my business or whatever, you know, however, that looks, right. We’re going to create an account where we’re going to start actually putting money away every check every sale, every whatever, so that it’s not, oh, we happen to have an extra 200 bucks. Let’s get a couple Nerf guns and pray vows for these folks. You know, it’s it’s right? Hey, we can really plan this out. Right? and serve one to 510 families, whatever it is, right? But make it purposeful versus Oh, we’re gonna be good people and help. But it’s because we happen to have 300 bucks extra for sure. No, I get it. I get it. You know?

Brandon Handley 54:17
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Man. I love it, though. I mean, so, again, I’ve loved I’ve loved your journey I’ve loved you know, I don’t love that you had cancer. But I do love that, you know, you kind of, I love the way that you went through it. And how you you kept your shit together, for the most part, how you faced it with this attitude of service. And I’m just super glad that we had the opportunity to connect and that you made it through man, you’ve been a big part of like I told you at the beginning a big part of spiritual dope, big part of my own journey. And, you know, I’m not a data analytics guy. So you know, my forecast though, is like more Allen Right, my forecast is more out in the life and, you know, so if, you know, if you were coming out of it and you had more energy right now who would be like somebody who’s your ideal client,

Allan Dubon 55:17
somebody who’s got an idea of where they want to be, and a purpose. And it doesn’t mean you have to know exactly what the business is, or anything like that you can, or grow the business or whatever, but really, it’s about purpose. And the purpose to me needs to be more than just, I got to make money. It’s got to be what am I going to do once I make money in my life? And how am I going to serve others? Because that’s what drives me is that money is a tool

that spans the gamut of Hey, they’re they’re only making 50,000 a year or maybe they’re making 5 million a year you know, it spans all of that because it’s, it’s Hey, it’s more of a purpose driven than I want to make this much per sale. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 56:18
I love that right. When you when you inject purpose and that kind of everything that you do you really do accelerate it right. So So what you’re offering do then is to help people kind of get clarity and accelerate their their purpose and vision so that they can have a more fulfilling life is that what I’m here?

Allan Dubon 56:35
Yeah, yeah. Awesome, brother.

Brandon Handley 56:38
Hey, thank you so much. Like I said, I know you’re you’re still kind of coming out of it. But I appreciate you jumping on and sharing a bit of your story sharing you know your conversations with God even though you’re not you know, what’s the guy’s name Neale Donald Walsch or whatever. So Alan Duvall take on conversations with God today. You know, fighting cancer. And and you know, getting a second shot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for you, man. So thanks again. We’re have some people check out more on.

Allan Dubon 57:08
I’m pretty much Alan dubon everywhere. ondemand.com on Instagram, Facebook, and Alan dubon, even clubhouse. So

Brandon Handley 57:17
awesome. Awesome. All right, but thanks for being on today. Thanks, guys.

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Join in the conversation as we host Elyse Archer of She Sells this week on Spiritual Dope.

Connect with Elyse over at: https://elysearcher.com/

Also, Elyse, mentioned the book The Diamond Cutter, check it out below:

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. The voice of a generation as we know, Mays was self self indulge every once in a while and I’m on with a quite somebody quite special Elise Archer. And I’m just gonna, I’m gonna let her do the bio for herself in a second here. But before I do that, like Elise is the reason I do a podcast. Right? Before I met Elise, I’d never listened to a podcast, or I was like, fuck podcasts. Like, that’s not for me. And when I when I met Elise, Alicia, we’re doing your podcast with Greg and, Mark. Good. Morning. Yeah. And, you know, and then you know, we’re connecting at some of the networking events. And then I eventually hired you as my coach. And then when we got through the coach, it was for sales coaching, we got midway through the coaching. And I was like, This is more like, I’m getting life coach than sales coach. And and it’s okay, because it’s transferable, but like, as like, Well, you know, what, at least what we’ve been working on, like, it’s been the sales, but I really want to do this, like podcasts, and I was fully expecting you to be like, eyes on the prize brand and focus on what you said you were gonna focus on and you got it. And instead of doing that, instead of doing that, you’re like, well, how can I help you? Right, and you connect them with some other people. And that moment that that was like a life changing moment for me. So thank you for that. And I’m gonna let you do your own little brief intro. Like Elise, what do you all about? And share a little bit of that? And then we’ll get it going.

Elyse Archer 1:36
Oh, my gosh, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s so cool, just to see what you’ve created in a short amount of time and to see the evolution of it as well. So yeah, thank you so much. I was just thinking before cutting on his podcast, this is so much fun for me, because I do most of the podcast interviews I do or straight business sales, personal branding. And so this is pushing my limits, because this is actually the stuff I care about, like this is, this is the real, I feel like everything I do in the sales and business world is kind of the Trojan horse to try to like, talk to people about spirituality and help them just develop and grow personally. So this is so much fun. Okay, so with that about me, I’m a new mom. So I’ve got a little boy, he’s six months old. And that’s so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it’s the best. I love it. I didn’t know how I was gonna feel elevated. I

Unknown Speaker 2:24
know.

Elyse Archer 2:26
My gosh, No, I know. And he’s kind of he’s past that, like the blob stage now. So he’s doing things which was, but especially for my husband, Jason, I think it’s more fun for him now that he can interact. And, yeah, I’m a business owner. So I do a couple different things. I’m a founding team member of a company called brandbuilders group or a personal brand, strategy firm. And then I also recently launched another brand that I’m running called T cells. And it’s a it’s basically sales, training and mentoring for women who want to break through six figures and learn to sell in a way that feels really authentic to them. And we can, you know, take this conversation wherever you want it to go. But that’s a lot of my background is coming from corporate sales and seeing, you know, sales and business strategies celebrated that, frankly, made me feel like crud when I implemented them, because they either kind of blurred the lines of integrity, or were all about Push, push, push, hustle, and I did it, I did what I was taught, and I financially, I did pretty well. But it was really, really detrimental to not just my mental health, my physical health too. And so a lot of my own journey has been about I would say, reconnecting with myself, like how I’m actually wired, how I was innately designed and learning to trust myself, trust my instincts, trust my body, trust my intuition. And, and I’m really lit up now about helping everyone do that. But specifically, I my brand really is catering to women, because I think so much of what we’re taught, just growing up is like, we, you know, our bodies look wrong, or they’re not the way they should be, or they’re for other people’s pleasure. And it’s just, it’s really disempowering. And so, I’m so passionate about helping myself reconnect with my power and then helping other women reconnect with their power as well. So that’s, that’s a little sliver of what I’m all about.

Brandon Handley 4:15
Just a tidbit.

Unknown Speaker 4:16
Yeah. Just a little bit.

Brandon Handley 4:18
I love it. I love it, you know. And again, you know, when we connected, it was just, I think it was a, it was just an interesting journey. You You and I are connection, right? And just kind of how that how that all? We’ll call it manifested. And let’s start off with the first question that so we have all day to talk. So usually like to start us off with, you talked about connecting with your power always align it with like source, right? So the idea is that source speaks through us to speak to somebody else, right, you kind of get this divine inspiration to share something with somebody else. So the deal is there’s somebody listening to this podcast today that needs you to kind of ignite them to connect them to their power through a message. And what does that message to that person today? At least?

Elyse Archer 5:08
I love that question. I mean, the biggest thing that shows up for me is to trust yourself. That’s like I said, that’s so much of what I feel inspired to share with this brand. And like I mentioned before, a lot of my journey, especially in my teens, and 20s, were, it was it was not trusting myself, and whether that was not not being proud of my body. And I struggled with an eating disorder for 17 years, or feeling like something was just off with, like a client situation or something I was being told to do at work. All the way to, you know, when we got pregnant for the first time, a couple years ago, I went into sheer panic, that I was like, I just, I felt like I was going to lose the pregnancy. And I went into sheer panic about it. Sure enough, we miscarried. And I learned in that moment, I didn’t trust my body. And it’s been so interesting, this journey of learning to I think a lot of times we have to like kind of be brought to our knees to be able to be open to whatever that that message is that we’re meant to receive, and then carry forth into the world for other people. And that was it for me. But then even talking with my mom about it, a lot of her own experience, too, was she didn’t trust her body. And I think a lot of this stuff goes back generationally. So you know that, whatever that thing is that you feel like you want to do, but you can’t do or you have this intuition to do something or you’re like that logically doesn’t make sense. If I could encourage someone to listen to it, and trust that it doesn’t have to make sense for anyone other than you and to kind of stop looking outside of yourself. Even I promise, I’ll be quiet in a second. So you can respond or ask your next question. But I think about the coach I’m working with right now like this was I just did a pretty big financial investment to work with a new coach. And I knew that it was going to trigger all of my scarcity mindset that I was part of me was still clinging on to I knew it. And sure enough, a couple of weeks in it did. And I knew in my core, my intuition this whole time that it was the right move. But logically, it would not be anything that my dad would have told me to do, it would have been anything that a lot of even business mentors, who I look up to would tell me to do and I was on a call with her a couple weeks ago, and I said, I found myself going into panic about making the wrong decision. She was like, when do you find yourself going into panic about that. And I said, usually I’m reading, it’s when I’m reading like a business book, or I’m listening to financial management training from somebody else. And she was like, stop it, cut it off for the next three weeks, no consumption of any of that stuff. And I cut it off, and I feel so at peace. So it’s not that we want to not learn and educate ourselves and challenge our thinking. But I think at the end of the day, you know, your best path for you. And you have to trust that everything that you’re doing and when you act on those instincts, it’s always unfolding for the greater good and for your greater good. So sometimes just putting those blinders on and trusting that you know, what you need to do, is the most powerful thing you can do. So that would be my message.

Brandon Handley 8:14
After keeping it short.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
I’m gonna be all day

Brandon Handley 8:20
I kid I kid I love it. I love it all like and one of the parts where you brought it to know you had to kind of come to your knees right to just kind of accept your your intuition piece for a lot of people would you consider that? You? d a fearful, dark night of the soul for you? Would you consider that a moment of a or maybe like even a dark night of the soul? Whatever, right? And then and then, you know, there’s the idea I love I love what you’re saying there with with your coach, because I bet you it’s almost like it’s almost like a deprivation for you knowing how much you consume to improve or be better or find another technique or whatever, right? Like Hmm, I have to cut all that off. Right like so you probably feel a little bit like a junkie having to withdraw from that at least look and I know this from my own experience, right? I’m like, I’m like What do you mean? Don’t Don’t do it all like right now.

Elyse Archer 9:16
So it was in that did one thing I’ll just add to that is like, she really kind of pushed me with that cuz she was I was like, but I love learning and learning is good. And I love reading. She was like, that’s your comfort zone. She said, study yourself for three weeks. Just study yourself. Whoa, this is so uncomfortable. But that’s right. That’s what we need.

Brandon Handley 9:33
Well, that’s tough, too. Right. So jumping in there and studying yourself. And what I’ll throw in there though, too, is like, so it’s very, I’m still going through this book again. Right? Like, are you ready to succeed? I can’t remember if I saw I might have sent you one too. I can’t recall if I did. I think I sent you have a kid’s book that isn’t yours. Yeah, I

Elyse Archer 9:50
don’t I’m not familiar with this book. So

Brandon Handley 9:52
this is Sreekumar Rao. This is actually by way of Elise Archer at some point. It was back in the day when we were doing the coaching There was a guy that I looked up Sreekumar Rao on like, you know, you are hardwired for happiness, right? And turned out like, you almost cried, watching his little story or whatever. And I was like, Alright, well, I gotta get his book, got his book, yada yada went through it. But one of the pieces in here it’s just really talks about there’s two pieces in here that you’re saying that resonate with me. And one is like, talking about putting all that effort in, right? Like I gotta do I gotta do I got consumed content consume content, you were finding like each time you like power, something that didn’t correlate with how you were feeling or doing it was like, it was like, striking the wrong chord. Right? Quite literally. It’s like, you’re like that is that is out of that is that’s out of tune with who I am. Oh, my God, I need to make an adjustment because this person, you wrote this book, he’s an authority. Right? He

Unknown Speaker 10:48
knows. Oh, my gosh, I

Brandon Handley 10:50
shouldn’t Holy shit. Did I do the wrong thing? Right. So that that’s one piece, right? is to not let the wrong thought in your head. Right? It’s better. It’s like better like like literally cut yourself like with a razor. He says in this book, this came from like a Swami. Right? It’s better to cut yourself like a razor than to let the wrong thought into your head. Hmm. Right. which I know sounds to me. Like, you know, that’s that’s kind of what was happening to you. Like, you know, you’re you’re on your path. But you’re like, you like this guy’s awesome. I love 98% of what he does. But this piece right here is just like a BB in my mind, right? breaking all my shit. And thank you so much. Right? And then and then the other piece is like, we’re trying to do it so fast. Right? We’re trying to we’re trying to do is we want it so bad. We’re trying to do it so fast. There’s another story in this book where he talks about the idea of, you know, if you try to do it so fast, and with so much energy, it’s actually gonna take twice as long. So it sounds like your coach sounds really similar to what your coach is saying is they stop taking all this like outside influence and jam in all this into your cranium. Study yourself, trust yourself. And that’s what you’re saying to is like, kind of trust yourself and believe in yourself and kind of tune out all the other shit.

Elyse Archer 12:01
Yeah, well, that’s so interesting what you said about if you try to like, push and force it into it so fast, it’ll take twice as long. It’s interesting. I hadn’t thought about it like that. But because it’s counterintuitive. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. Because you’re kind of going up river versus letting yourself flow and stuff, right?

Brandon Handley 12:18
Yeah. here’s, here’s how, like, I’ve visualized it more recently. And this is like, this year, right? Imagine, like, you feel like you’re literally putting all the thought energy or whatever things, right? If we’re putting all this energy into this place, right? Then nothing can get in. So if we create space for something to come in, right, if we back up for a second, and let it come to us, then it comes to us, right? Because otherwise we’re blocking it. We’re like, I’ve got to put everything into this spiritual energy, right? Like, I’ve got to put all of my, you know, essence energy into this thing. And I want it so bad. If it doesn’t, we’ve got all these things caught up with it. And instead of like, I do really want it I want it really bad, but like, I want it and kind of like, the way I like flowers and, you know, gardens and stuff where if I go and I plan it, you know, there’s that whole other thing to where, like, you know, if you plant something you don’t keep pulling it up, right? And check into the roots and be like, you plan it. Come back up. Yes, it does what it’s supposed to do. Yeah, it’ll do anyways. And those are some thoughts that are like, you know, coming on mine is I’m hearing your story, right? I’m hearing like your coaching unfold. So thanks for letting me ramble on

Elyse Archer 13:26
I love this. This is no I feel like I’m getting a good like a spiritual lesson from you. And this this is awesome

Brandon Handley 13:31
was so that was so here’s the other thing, right? Like Elise guys is I went through like my quote unquote, like a call, quote, unquote, because nobody can like point a finger and say, Hey, that was an awakening experience. But remember, if you don’t remember that time, I called you up. I

Unknown Speaker 13:43
was like, Oh, yes,

Brandon Handley 13:44
I went through some shit. I don’t know what it is. And it’s like an awakening experience. So Lisa’s been again, guys that’s, you know, just want to share our relationship with the people that are listening, right, and how this kind of all came together. You came to me as like a sales coach. But what ends up happening was all this inner work that I hadn’t done before for personal growth, and it manifested into culminated into like kind of an awakening experience. Right. And from there, we still maintained and again, that was another thing where you were like, Well tell me more about that, like, because you’re just as excited as I was for that, too. So I think that that’s says a lot about kind of who you are and what you accept in your life. So I do want to hear like, you know, how you talked about helping people find themselves spiritually through your own process. And I’d like to hear how you’re doing that. Because what happened with me might not have been intentional. And and, you know, how do you feel like you’re doing it intentionally right now?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Oh, wow.

Elyse Archer 14:45
Yeah, gosh, I don’t so I don’t have like an intentional method to it. I think it’s more me think about that cuz I want to actually, I want to, I want to think about what the right or just what the true answer is for me there. I think I think for me, a lot of my own journey has been around overcoming a lot of feelings of unworthiness and worthlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned, that’s part of why a lot of the, like the clients I work with are in a business environment in a business setting. And so a lot of times they’ll come for, you know, I want to make more money, or I want to grow my personal brand and presence and just through that process, usually what comes up is, are there tactical, pragmatic things that they can do to do that? Absolutely. But also, and I think the more important thing is we dig into just limiting beliefs that are showing up for them around, you know, I want to make this amount of money, but even the word want means you don’t have it, right. So it especially the women, I work with those, those cut, you hear more than their story. And they talk about feeling unworthy or scared to show up or scared to speak up. And it doesn’t matter how good your website is, or how good your sales process is, if you have that limiting view of yourself, you’re only going to be able to operate within a box that’s like this big right? And get results that are about that big. So I really like I said, I don’t have a set processes, something I’m kind of like working on developing on right now. Because I do want to be able to take people through a more like a more intentional process. For me, it’s typically kind of intuitive with my clients. But that’s usually what I’m listening for when I hear my clients talk is, what are they actually saying about themselves. I was on a call with a potential client the other day. And the first thing she said when she got on our call was she said, Oh, you know, I’m just sitting here procrastinating, like I always do. And she’s a woman who wants to break through six figures this year in her business, and she’s a go getter. And she you can tell like she’s you know, she’s an aggressive goal getter. But the first thing I said was, whatever you describe you prescribed, right. So if you’re sitting there saying, I’m procrastinating, like I always do, you’re going to continue to procrastinate on accomplishing your goals on making your sales calls on whatever it is. So I just I think because so much of my own journey involves poor self talk poor or poor self image, I can hear it, and I can see it and other people. And then that’s what I try to pull out. Because usually we’re just we’re not even aware of it. It’s so ingrained in how we think and how we talk. And most of the people around us usually use disempowering language and thoughts. And so it’s kind of just part of our society. But once you realize, once you’re aware of it, you can’t unknow it. Right. And so I care so much now for myself about how I feel and how I speak about myself. And I try to get my clients to that same level of self awareness. Because the tactical stuff is like 5% of the actual process, the 95% of it is how you think and what you believe you deserve. So I don’t know if that answered the question. Like I said, there’s not a real thought out process. It’s super intuitive for me, but that’s, um, that’s that’s kind of how I do it

Brandon Handley 18:01
a little bit. I mean, it sounds like there is right, so the process is to kind of just identify where they are, right? You know, are they saying something that, you know, you’ve been able to get look as, I don’t think it’s any different than being a doctor, right? Kind of, when, when you first start off, you’re like, maybe I shouldn’t amputate that leg, I don’t know. But I’m gonna go ahead and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go ahead and cut that one off, you’re doing the same thing with like somebody limiting beliefs, right? Or identifying it. And over time, over time, like you become skilled enough to be like, Oh, that’s this. That’s this. That’s this. That’s this just because of your exposure, experience. And then your own way of working with people in that space, seeing what works. A lot of these things that you’re using a lot of the tools that you’re using, I’m guessing, aren’t brand new, right? These are tools that have been around for quite some time that have had success for years and years and years. It’s just how do you how do you share those tools with these people? So what would be like one thing that you help? Like, when you identify like a limiting belief within somebody else? Right? How do you how do you identify that for somebody to get them past that? Yeah, well, I

Elyse Archer 19:07
think the first thing is just reflecting it back to them. So that’s part of where there is value in having a coach a mentor, just somebody who can hear how you talk. And and actually help help you become aware and almost be a mirror for Do you realize you just said that? Because like I said, oftentimes, our language is so it is it is so subconscious, we don’t even realize we’re saying it. So it’s like, hey, do you realize you just said that? And then oftentimes people don’t even realize it’s a problem. They’re like, well, so you know, so what? So what did I said that and I think so for some people, they’re already really into law of attraction and, and positive self talk, but for a lot of people I work with, they’re not familiar with, with what that means, and how it how it impacts them. So we talked about, you know, whatever you’re saying you’re giving a command to your subconscious to create this thing in your life. And so we start to look at what’s a new and better and different way you could say that The other thing that has been really profoundly transformational for me in my life and that I recommend for a lot of my clients is Joe dispenza his meditations like I am, I’m guessing you follow Him, and I’m such a fan of his work. But every single morning, I’m doing those meditations. And I asked my clients to do the same, and it helps you start to feel the feelings of abundance, genius. Courage, right? All those things that, that we want to embody. And so I get all my clients doing that, as long as they’re open to it, and that is pretty darn transformational as well.

Brandon Handley 20:40
Now, 100%, right, yeah, Joe dispenza is great. He’s one, there’s one that I listened not not even. Not even a meditation, but he’s got like a 10 minute piece that like I listened to all the time. It’s just, it just reminds me like not to look at like, not to look at my social media first thing in the day not to, you know, to retune yourself, right, like to retune your your whole, you know, your whole experience? Do you live life on your terms? Not according to what kind of everybody else is already doing? And that’s why I enjoy him and that. So meditation, getting them to connect with the meditations? Or where did you find that to be kind of like the game changer? a game changer for you? Hmm.

Elyse Archer 21:24
You know, it’s so I’ve been meditating off and on for probably five years, probably, well, I really longer than that, but like, actually really going for it for about five years. But I would say it’s, I kind of, I would do it for a while, and then I’d get off of it. Because it was like, you know, I’m still I still was in the mindset of i, this time would be so much better spent if I was sending emails or creating the social media posts. So I was still in that mindset. And really, I would say, it’s, it’s honestly been more in the past few months that it’s kicked in, for me how critically important it is. Where, even though I think I had done a fair amount of work on releasing anxiety, and like I mentioned, like not trusting myself and stuff. So I’d gotten to a pretty good place about 12 months ago, but I still would have almost this low grade anxiety running all the time in the background, especially on Sunday nights, looking at the week ahead of like, Oh, you know, I’ve just I’ve still got all this stuff that’s been done that I thought I was gonna try to get done this weekend, did I just piled too much on my plate, and then I would kind of beat myself up about just not being, you know, good enough. And I Gosh, if I was better, I could have gotten this done. So it was this habit in this perpetual like cycle that my body was almost addicted to the feeling and the anxiety. And some time, I think sometimes we just have a moment. And for me, I just had a moment, I was like, doing it this way, has gotten me this result. I’ve been feeling this low grade anxiety for years for most of my life. What if I didn’t have to feel that way? What if that wasn’t the reality for everybody? What if I was what if it was just a decision that I was going to feel differently. And that’s when I started really doubling down into a lot of Joe’s work, and into just studying, you know, the different energy centers of the body and how to get them in coherence. And I will say, I mean, it’s a very short time as of the recording of this interview, but for about a week now, I’ve had really consistent checks up brain heart coherence, where you just you feel like in the flow all the time, no matter what. I had that for about a week, and it’s been so transformational. Like, I’m not afraid of anything that’s coming, I’m not anxious, I’m at peace, I’m present. With the people I’m talking to. I’m excited. I’m not triggered by stuff the way I was. And it’s just it’s a totally different, I was able to get there like a little bit before and I could get there and kind of keep it for a while during my meditations. But then something would happen in life, and it would trigger me or throw me off and I’d have to like work to get back. And it’s been really darn consistent. For like I said, about seven days. And I think it’s it was just a decision of, I can have this all the time if I want. And so now i’m i’m showing up on that meditation, that was some ferocity my friend cuz he’s like, Oh, this is good, how much? How much better could it get?

Brandon Handley 24:19
You show it to meditation be like, I’m gonna take this bitch down. Yes. So so that’s great. So there’s, there’s a word that I use in tandem kind of with, with with, with what you’re talking about there. And that’s the word numinous. Right? Like where you’ve got this connection to source and it’s just effervescent. And it sounds like that’s been your week, right? Nothing can derail that, right? There’s nothing stronger than it and there’s no worry, you’ve given yourself some trust, you’ve given yourself some grace. And there’s a it’s just such a great feeling, right? Like how did happen and where’s and it’s always been available. Right, that’s the thing like to you’re like, well, all I had to do was make a decision to make this a conscious choice.

Elyse Archer 25:06
That was it. Yeah, that and it’s and it’s not like nothing has happened, like, I got a mega tax bill I wasn’t expecting because of a miscommunication with my accountant. And in the past that would have that would have thrown me, you know, and this I was like, okay, like, I, you know, I am being honest, it threw me for a couple minutes. And then I just like I’m snapping back into it, because nothing is worth sacrificing this level of vibration and awareness and feeling nothing. So we’re just going to do it and move on. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:37
yeah, no, absolutely. 100%. Right. So I thought I definitely talked about this in my process, too, right? To where you make the decision, right, literally, like, so I created that, you know, this thing called the divine framework, right, the first piece of the first piece of this puzzle that you just talked about, is to make the decision. Yes. Right. Like, this is it? This is I’m going for it. Right. But the one thing that, you know, you talked about, like kind of this belief system, you talked about the boxes right and and discover on uncovering kind of like the those limitations, right? Those self imposed limitations. It’s kind of like this whole mindset thing. This is just how spirituality has kind of shown itself for me, right? Like I did the I did the coaching with you awesome stuff. Great stuff went through like law of attraction, right? And I was like, well, this is this is all kind of stuff that I’m putting out there. What if I shake it back and understand that this is a benevolent universe? And that it probably wants things more for me than I actually want for me. What can you show me? Right? And how can I take who I am eternally spirit, like spiritual DNA is perfect, right? I mean, we all have, we all share the same spiritual DNA. But I went from having a human mindset with all these worldly things that we know how to use, right. And, to your point, I’ve made it this far with this human mindset with this human capability. As like, what happens if I choose divinity? What happens in right? What happens if I’m connected to source at all time? And if I accept that source is everything, right? Who, you know, what am I capable of then? Right? And so that’s just fucking blew the lid off it. I’m like, you know, and that’s, that’s that again, just another choice to make right then. And so you can take a look at spirituality and the, you know, you can call it maybe it’s Christ consciousness, I don’t know, right to decide, like, Hey, listen, this is this is Buddhist consciousness, I make this decision to do what you did, to say. I’m just gonna stay connected to this ship, because I feel real good. I don’t have to drink to get here. I don’t have to get high to get here. All I have to do is show up and decide to be here. It can’t be that easy lease.

Elyse Archer 27:56
It’s it. It is literally it is a decision. I mean, that’s it. That’s been a huge lesson for me in the past 12 months that I think we could be scared to make that whatever the decision is. Whether it’s a decision to show up differently, a decision to to move right a decision to, for me invest in this, this high level coach. One other thing that happened for me a couple months ago is I made it not I guess it was more a month ago, I made a decision to spend more money than I knew where it was going to come from to work with this particular woman. So I felt very intuitively guided to do it. And I remember going through the fear and I like I said yes to her verbally. And then I like kind of shrugged back for a week and I vacillated It was like, Oh, this is a bad idea. It’s not it’s not responsible. It’s not smart. And I reached the point. And I think you saw my video I did on Instagram about this. But I was just thinking about why am I not moving forward on this. And it was the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of making a bad decision in the unknown. And, but what it reminded me of was, when I was in my late 20s, I was in a just a, I was in a marriage that was really toxic. And I was so scared to leave because I was afraid of the judgment of being young and being divorced. And my family put a lot of money into the wedding and we were only I mean I knew before I got married to him I shouldn’t have but at this point where I reached kind of the turning point we were like 1214 months in I was so scared to do it because of the fear of judgment and what was going to be on the other side would I ever find someone who was actually a good fit for me all that stuff. And I just reached a point where I said it can’t be worse than this you know so let’s let’s pull the trigger and do it and so I I asked for the divorce and six months to the day that I did. I met Jason who’s my husband I knew within minutes that he was going to be my husband. very inconvenient by the way in North Carolina. You’ve got to be separated for a year so we were still tech Are you gonna you remembered for a year for you to get remarried.

Brandon Handley 29:58
For the for the guys out there. They listen, they’re gonna probably, they’re gonna want to know, what can somebody do in a couple minutes to make some money?

Unknown Speaker 30:07
Right? I

Elyse Archer 30:08
know, I know. Yeah, they are. He just showed up and I was like that, you know, you hear about you know it when you know it, you know it I’ve never had that experience before. But I, I knew him. I knew that I was meant to be with him. So that’s a whole nother story, because then I had to proceed to chase him and date him and all of that stuff. It was a frustrating courtship, I will say, but here we are. So

Unknown Speaker 30:29
if I had to do one, that one, I won that one. Yeah.

Elyse Archer 30:33
But if I had not left that situation that I was so scared to leave, I would not have met him. And we would not have our son jack now. And that just puts things into perspective for me. And I think everyone can relate to something in their life where they’ve been so scared to make a move, because they didn’t know what was on the other side. But think about what happened in your life is a result of what you have now that you wouldn’t have had if you hadn’t stepped out in faith. And for me, that was like, this is it. Like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen on the other side of this, but I know, I can trust my intuition that’s leading me to do this. And I know something really good is gonna unfold, even if it’s not what I’m expecting. So it’s kind of that surrender, like, Alright, I’m along for the ride.

Brandon Handley 31:16
That’s it. I mean, that’s it. 100% right. You know, it’s, it’s following your intuition. And kind of, you know, trusting it. And for you, you know, that’s seems to be working fairly well. Seems like, hey, look, what I love, too, is like, you know, listen, no matter how much of this work you’ve been doing on yourself, I’ve been doing myself, anybody out there has been doing it themselves. years, right. You’re still catching yourself, like beating yourself up? Right? You’re still catching yourself. Like, you know, there are moments where everything’s not fucking perfect. And that’s okay. Like, and I think that, I think that that that can be a challenge too. Because to accept that right to to be able to say, this, this moment, right here is not ideal for me. But that’s still going to show up no matter how much work you do. And I think that that’s important for people to hear and understand. Because they put themselves in into, oh, I shouldn’t be feeling this way I shouldn’t, then they beat themselves up for feeling that way at all. Like you’re saying, like, I shouldn’t be doing this way. And, and and I should be you should I’ve done it differently. And all these other things. And I’ve had another guy that had on and I know well, you called it he has the acronym, acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative. However you did it, right. There’s no alternative to what’s already been done. Right? The only alternative mate would be like your perspective on that, like, as you move forward, you’d be like, you know what, you can look back and be like, you know, what, in my mind, at that time, this is what I thought was going on. But now if I look back, it’s a totally different scenario. your perspective on what happened may be different. But the actual event, there’s no changing it. Right? That’s your your way past it. Right. Yeah. But you know, so how would I mean, a dress that though right, especially for you know, you again, being a coach, having gone through, like all this work, and still finding, you know, yourself kind of having those challenging moments? Do you accept those for yourself? Or do you beat yourself up for having those and then, you know, how do you get through it? What do you do from there?

Elyse Archer 33:28
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I, so I do accept myself for having those. And I used to beat myself up a lot over it. And I think a lot of that is just we see people, whether it’s our parents, or like, for me, I saw I like, I love my mom dearly, but I saw her do that my whole childhood growing up. So I that’s how I operated for a long time. So now with those moments, I am so conscious of how I talk to myself, because I realized if I beat myself up, I’m only perpetuating the negative emotion negative feeling, I’m just going to attract more of that back into my life. So yeah, I mean, even yesterday, I had an introduction to like, a big time, big time, big time podcast to go on. And I had been like, really psyched up.

Unknown Speaker 34:11
You know, we’ve been talking for a while.

Unknown Speaker 34:14
See, it’s always working.

Elyse Archer 34:18
So I had this. So this was like, you know, like, top 100. Like, it was a big it was a just in terms of audience a big show. And so I got myself kind of psyched up for it. And I get on the call with the woman I’d been introduced to who is kind of like the gatekeeper and she was like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If there’s a misunderstanding. You know, he’s booked up for a whole year like I just really wanted to get to know you. You seem like a cool chicken. It was like, in that moment, I felt I felt disappointment. And then I gave myself like two seconds to feel it. I was like, okay, nothing is worth feeling that nothing is worth perpetuating that. So let me instead flip this and focus on how can I show up for her in this moment because I genuinely believe everything is always working out. For me, and if this is not the thing that’s meant to be right now it means there’s something even better down the road. So cool. So let’s have fun with this. And let’s like, show up and have fun. And then who knows what will happen in the future. But I think it’s that an attachment to like things being so perfect that for myself, for a lot of people, right, I think a lot of women I work with everyone, we can get kind of caught up in perfectionism, and things have to turn out the way we thought they would. But when you can be kind of unattached and just more attached to like, feeling good and having fun and showing up in the moment. It’s, it’s a heck of a lot more enjoyable. And you end up

Brandon Handley 35:35
Yeah, listen, you could find yourself on spiritual dope, too, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:40
I love it.

Brandon Handley 35:41
But the deal is to have right like, I mean, that is, you know, the dude, you’re talking about that seven days of being connected. That is, that’s the spiritual high, right? That’s, that’s the, that’s what the spiritual dope is. That’s the hits. You know, when you got that meditation, and you’ve got that meditation buzz of man, I was just so connected, I was so aligned, I was so detached from, I don’t want to say worldly things. But I was so detached from all all the activity and things that I felt like we were talking earlier, like, oh, maybe I gotta go make another pose. Maybe I got to go do this, maybe I got I got, I’ve got 10 minutes, I can squeeze in like five posts, maybe I can I am in and check for emails, right. And instead of being like, like, your coach is saying, Go study your fucking self for a minute. Right? Like, you’re pretty special. Right? recognize that? You know, I think more recently, you know, some of the meditations that I’ll do would be like, how far can you visualize yourself out? Right? And I’d be like, oh, infinite, right? The edges of the universe? Yes. But then more recently, I was like, well, inside is just as infinite to like, how deep Can I go into myself, and it’s infinite. So it’s infinite internally as much. So like, that was there’s been like a new rocking revelation, right? Like, where you just kind of you go internally, and you just hang out with yourself. And you see that, like, you know, you are 100% connected to source at all times. And it’s like, you’re saying, it’s a choice to say, I’m connected in this moment, to the person to the lady that was on the call, or title for my own shit. And I could I could show up and be there for her, or be tied up my own shit. And again, you’re like, I’m gonna take this moment, be there for her. And be open for the intuition, the inspiration, what’s coming out of this that is meant to be like your best.

Elyse Archer 37:35
Yes. I don’t want to add something to what you said about just studying the depth of ourselves. So one of my girlfriends, her sister, passive cancer a couple years ago, and they were super close, super, super close. And I wouldn’t talk about this on most any podcasts. I’ll talk about it here because I feel like you’ll get it. So she her sister passed. And then a mutual friend of theirs, called my friend out of the blue a couple months later, and she was she was like, I don’t know, I just feel like I have to call you. And we needed to reconnect. And this, this woman also channels and connects with people on the other side. And suddenly, while they were talking, my friend’s sister Lauren started coming through her and say, like, really literally reconnecting with my friend and what Lauren was saying, was, she said, You have no idea how big we are. She said now that I’m on the other side now that I can see it. She said, imagine like zoom out look at your house. Imagine you’re looking at it from above. You see the house and then zoom out to the block and the street and then your city and then the world and then the universe. She said you’re so much bigger. She said we are so much bigger than we know. She said I can’t wait for you to see this and know this. But she was just like, it’s you should have this this one on your podcast, I can introduce you because it’s powerful. It’s so powerful. But that perspective from the other side of are so much bigger than we can even fathom. Have

Brandon Handley 38:59
you connected yourself to that yet? Um, have you had that experience for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 39:04
No. Have you I want to Oh, can can you tell me about

Brandon Handley 39:07
it? Because I mean, it’s you can’t right that’s the whole Yeah, you can’t that’s the whole like, mystery school mysticism. translate that thing now? I did do I did do one good podcast on it where I’m not sure if you’ve done breathwork yet.

Unknown Speaker 39:23
A little bit not

Brandon Handley 39:24
not a ton, but a little bit. It’s like it’s it’s it’s like, cracked out. Meditation. When done when done well, like when you when you nail you’ll know when you nail it because you’ll come out of it. Like, what the fuck just happened? And can I get more of that all the time? Anytime? And the answer is yes. Right. Which is also powerful because that’s just like, like I said, meditation force multiplied and add connections and scenes, that you know, in those moments, that that’s the That’s just like a knowing, right? Like, it can’t be anything other than that and and more back to what you were saying before is it doesn’t you don’t need an external validation for that type of thing. You know this as truth. Right and and so, yes, right and that’s the that’s the question all right and and you know, I had similar experience to where this actually so to Elise has meant guys just again so lease is a lease is actually responsible in part for spiritual dope as well I don’t know if I told you that or not it was the interview without What was her name last one you got me in contact with the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, Regina Yeah,

Brandon Handley 40:43
so I interviewed Regina for the prosperity practice which in its own right was fucking awesome. I did love it and actually enjoyed it. But I also realized that I was I was kind of, you know, trying to sell the people what they wanted, but then give them what they need. And finally, I was just like, you know what bucket like your friend, right? Like, a much bigger, you know, spirituality, right? our spirits are much bigger than our bodies and it’s self evident. There’s like, you know, recordings of it with just even just with your resonance, right? You talked about also like the mind, mind heart coherence, experience that often, right? And that’s through meditation, but again, like through a number of things, once you recognize how to connect that and resonate that piece, and then you’re like, oh, like, like, all the time like it just like, it’s so great. Anyway, so yeah, so I interviewed her. And I was like, Why? Why am I holding back? kind of the best part of me? The best part of like, what I believe, right? Because here was this, you know, here was this, you know, ex lawyer fucking doing it. Right? And I was like, why am I waiting? Right? For who? Who, who? And then this came all the way back from my first podcast. So anyway, so first podcast was like, who gives me the authority to do this, right? I do. You do. You give yourself the authority to be you, right? You know, to go out and do the things that you know, that you can do that you’re capable of that you’re called to do, right? And that’s what you’re doing now I get to be a witness to seeing you punch through like each layer of that shit, right. And that’s what’s been fun for me to kind of watch you too, because we’ve had I feel like kind of similar experiences in that way be like, like, this is all shit. I’m out of here. This is better, but and it’s not even leveling up. Right? It’s just finding yourself in a different space because even even to a different level of awareness to what already is. Right? It’s just and goes back to your belief system be like, how When do I get to the side? Like, there’s more? Well, there’s a whole universe that is currently yours at your disposal. How do you want to use it? Right? Do you want to use it if you if you again, if you want to use your human self have fun with that. Right? And you’ve experienced that? What do you want to do with your Divine Self? What do you want to do with your universal self? Like what other kind of mindset Can you put yourself into and there’s again, that’s unlimited to

Unknown Speaker 43:16
this is so good. Oh my god. Yes,

Brandon Handley 43:20
yes. Yes. So again, guys, it was Elise who connected me with Regina and then when I connected with Regina, my wife had a friend who was medium as well on channel with me so it was combination of my wife whose childhood friend who she connects me with my grandfather like my closest you know, kind of Anthony in my life and and doing it with Gina and like, it was like the the medium wrote like a coming out letter of like, mediumship, right, like to her family, like I’m coming out of the closet medium type thing. So I was like, I was like, You know what, fuck it I’m coming out of the closet like spirituality and we’re just we’re just gonna go do it and ever since Sinhalese blown up blown blown. I mean, just the doors been blown off the people I’ve connected with, you know, I just interviewed my man here. I released you know, and and that, that was no following intuition. There was a 215 phone number, which is a Philadelphia area phone number. I was like, You’re fucking up here. I’m calling. And I just called. I was like, I was like, I was like, Listen, I was like, I got like, you know, his pm and she was awesome. knew where she lived. We had this great conversation. I was like, I just got to let you know I love this book. I’ve gone through it like four or five times I leave groups on it, yada yada. Would he be open to being on the podcast and she goes, You know what he normally he hates them. But let me see what I can do. That’s so cool. But again, so thank you like this is kind of like a trivia tool, a lease podcast. A lot of a lot, a lot of things because it’s been a lot of fun and without your support. You know, in part, of course, like us, all other all other people that have been a part of the journey, but you’ve been a big part about it. So I thought I’d share that with you.

Elyse Archer 45:11
Thank you. Thank you. Well, any audience? Yeah. And I think to just to see kind of how you’ve, you’ve taken every step of your evolution and turn it into something that’s good for other people. And I think that’s really cool. Because I do think back to when we were first working together, and it was like, how do we sell more of these?

Brandon Handley 45:32
things? Right. But that goes back to what you were saying, like how, you know, there was like, you know, you were selling stuff, and you were doing it where like, there was like integrity issues. And it’s like, yeah, you could sell something. Yeah. Maybe you could overcome some objections. Yeah, you maybe get this person to do this thing. But like, in the end, at what cost to you? And who?

Elyse Archer 45:50
Yes, exactly, exactly. Like, what is it actually all about? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 45:55
Well, so how do you I mean, I think that leads into a really good piece. So So how do you do it now where you’ve got it all tied together, that you feel aligned with what you’re doing.

Elyse Archer 46:04
Um, I just really listened to what, what my body says about what whether it’s working with a particular client, whether it’s launching a program, and I don’t fault myself for changing my mind, either, like I launched something new with the rollout of my new brand that was actually it was based on what a shaman who I follow what he does, or just like a $10, weekly, I drop in, he goes a healing temple. And it’s so much I was like, Oh, we should have that for sales, that would be so much fun. So I did like a $10 weekly drop in sales training. And it’s been, it’s been fun, but it’s like the numbers started off really high. And then they kind of dwindled with the number of women who were coming every week. And I used to go into panic about that. And now it’s like, oh, cool, I’m being divinely guided to transform this into something else. So I’m transforming it into something slightly different a monthly membership, and women are signing up for that really fast. So it’s like, just knowing that it doesn’t have to be perfect. But if I take the, I listen to what I’m being told to do, I take the action, I’m not attached to it being that way forever. And then I just kind of keep receiving that guidance. And that’s how I’ve launched my programs. That’s how I choose which clients to work with. That’s how I chose my brand colors. Like all of it, it’s just all the

Brandon Handley 47:21
colors, by the way. Don’t go gold, white, and red, which are which are all pretty cool. Yeah, I like that too. Like you talked about, like, you know, being able to change like kind of like your your and and, you know, in the business world or be ready to pivot, pivot, pivot. But being able to pivot, right, being able to adjust on the fly is something that I think a lot of people have a challenge with, too. How do you help them to overcome that, like, be like, Oh, I made this decision to do this thing. And I was told to commit. And, man, if I, if I just stick with it, persistence, and yada, yada, yada. So how do you help somebody that’s stuck in that space?

Elyse Archer 48:01
Yeah, cash. And it’s tough to write because we hear self discipline and persistence. And there’s a lot of value. There’s a lot of value to those attributes, in a lot of ways, but I think sometimes we get, you know, you hear like sunk cost theory in business. So I’ve put so much time and energy into this. And we can hold on to something just because of that, just because we already invested a lot of money or a lot of time. And even in our core, if we know it’s no longer the right thing. So again, it comes down to intuition. And so if I’m working with the client, we kind of we look at, okay, if you were, if you were starting this today, would you do the same thing? Like if you were starting from scratch? Would you do the same thing? If the answer is yes, then it’s okay. You probably just need to keep going at it for longer. Like it’s just, it’s keep showing up, keep doing it know that just like you said, with the flower when you plant it, it’s gonna take a hot minute sometimes, and that’s okay. But if you’re being honest, and you wouldn’t do it again, the same way today, or you wouldn’t run this program today, or you wouldn’t. I mean, this is a big one, but you wouldn’t marry this person today. Right? Like, then I’m not counseling people and relationships. So take that for what it’s worth, but you kind of look at, okay, are you attached to this just because you’ve put so much time and energy into it? Or are you attached to it, because it’s actually what you’re meant to be doing. And it just needs a little more time to mature or grow or terminate.

Brandon Handley 49:23
I love that. I love being associated. Again, you know, I’m a big fan of the word grace these days. So give yourself a little grace and let you kind of, you know, let that let that life energy just go ahead and propagate the way that it’s supposed to. Right. And I love though, to that you’re saying you know, if you started today, would you still do this? Right? Because again, we we put all this energy into the sunk cost thing even like, well, the Titanic sinks, it’s sunk, right? Like I mean, fucking let it go. Right? They jump off the boat because it is sunk costs, and it hasn’t accelerated you or gotten you to where you think you should be by Now and if you were to, you know, kind of continue that trajectory, it’s down at this point, right? I love it. I love it. So, what, um, you know, let’s what is a, you know, a hit of spiritual dope for you like, you know what, you know, meditation, I mean, having, you know, maybe looking at your son, you know, what is what is something that, um, that’s just your pure hit a spiritual dope.

Elyse Archer 50:24
I mean, it’s totally hanging out with my son jack now like that’s just to see see the pureness of a little kid and to see how they just just their wholeness and their appearances, and his unfiltered laughter is so much fun. I absolutely love that. And then I think the other thing is just when I can show up and give or do something for somebody else that has nothing to do with me. And that’s actually, when I found myself a couple months ago, like going through some of that Panic of like, Oh, my God, am I doing making the wrong decision or the wrong choice? That’s part of how I would shift out of it is I would be like, What can I do for somebody else right now to get my head out of my ass and focus on what really matters. And that always, to me, that always helps. It’s that quick shift. It’s like, What can I do for someone else, whether it’s write a comment on their social media, whether it’s had a client who wants to book club, I was like, I’m gonna join my clients book club right now. And that’s gonna make him feel good when he looks in his inbox and sees that he’s got a new member. So just stuff like that. Right? It’s, it’s always kind of getting our focus off of ourselves.

Brandon Handley 51:31
I love this. I mean, it doesn’t have to be complex, right? You can go out there and kind of give of yourself and support somebody else in small meaningful ways. And you’re gonna feel better about yourself. Hmm,

Elyse Archer 51:42
yeah. Well, and it’s the whole Have you read the diamond cutter?

Unknown Speaker 51:46
No, I have not, oh, this

Unknown Speaker 51:48
will be a good one. I

Unknown Speaker 51:49
think you’ll be into this.

Elyse Archer 51:50
So the principle behind it is whatever you want for yourself, help someone else get it. So I’ve got my, my mastermind partner. She’s also going for seven figures in her business right now. So one of the things that I’ve done and I told her I was like, This is not entirely altruistic that I want to help you do this. Like, I’m really curious energetically how this works for me.

Brandon Handley 52:11
It’s interesting, though, at least, right? Like, when I started fatherhood, for the rest of us, it wasn’t for the pure reasons. Right? It really wasn’t and I can look back and I can say that right? I’m like, you know, I did this for all the wrong reasons. But I was doing the right things, even if it was for the right reasons, for all reasons. Yeah. And that kind of tilted the whatever right into into always say like, I’m like the Grinch my heart grew to sizes too large or whatever, right? Like it went from being like, you know, this thing to write. So I think that you and I think you know, are you know, when you collect new Java Roman back in the day, I remember him going into, you know, talking about that, right being like, what happens if you do the right things with like, the wrong reasons. Now, I would say and wrong reasons is really kind of hard. You can’t really say it’s for the wrong reasons. You’re really trying to do it for the benefit. Yes, of you. And of them, but like, you know, that kind of shakes off. Just Just for I mean, my experience has been that kind of shakes off like initially, it’s kind of like, I’m doing it mostly for me a little bit. You still feel okay, I’m doing it for like, you know, at least I’m not, you know, at least I’m not calling you an asshole, right? Like, you know, merger. Nobody’s a jerk. I’m doing all these things. And eventually, that it’s just kind of like rust away until like, this purity situation happens where like, that’s just becomes who you are. Right? So there’s really nothing wrong with like, trying on different clothes until you find the pair that fits.

Elyse Archer 53:38
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s you always know because it’s the energy or doing something and like, how do you feel while you’re doing it? If you feel secretly like, with this, this friend of mine, who I’m helping, I’m just kinda like consulting and helping her for helping her hit seven figures in her business this year. It’s like, the energy that I feel around it when I do it. If I felt jealousy or if I felt scarcity or like, I should be spending the time on my own stuff. exactly what you’re talking about, right, like doing it for the wrong reasons. But I think it’s it’s, you can tell when you feel like whole excited, fulfilled, relaxed while you’re doing it. It’s really different.

Unknown Speaker 54:13
You are at ease. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:15
you’re at ease and the things are easy. They’re simple. They’re fulfilling. Yeah, right. All right. Super awesome. As always to catch up with you. Unfortunately, we can’t stay on all day. So where can we send people to go find more Elise Archer,

Elyse Archer 54:33
thank you so much for having me. Elise. archer.com has all the things and then on all social media. I’m at Elise Archer. So with love, love, love to connect. I’ve got a podcast, she sells radio so people can check that out. It’s like sales with a healthy dose of spirituality.

Brandon Handley 54:49
Now, who would you say your ideal client is Elise?

Unknown Speaker 54:53
Hmm.

Elyse Archer 54:55
It’s often a younger me. And I’m not saying that in an egotistical way. It’s just I can really help them. A woman because I know

Unknown Speaker 55:00
what’s going on.

Elyse Archer 55:02
So it’s typically going to be a woman who is either a business owner or she’s in sales, she’s looking to break through her first six figures. And it’s like, something’s not quite clicked there. But she’s ready. And she’s probably a little bit turned off by a lot of what she’s being taught from either corporate sales training or from the book she’s reading and it just doesn’t quite feel right to her and she’s like, could I reach my goals in a way that actually feels really good to me and other people and I love helping that type of woman so that’s my ideal client.

Brandon Handley 55:32
awesome guys. Go

check out Lisa’s especially, you know, if you meet that description, I can promise you that, uh, you know, it’ll work out for you. Right? guarantee that, you know, to go through some of the coaching or some of the programs that Elise has offered, they will be valuable to you.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
Thank you, my friend. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

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Unknown Speaker 0:01
What is happening spiritual dope, been a minute, since I’ve gone to many places, in order to even do a podcast or anything from the car, which used to be one of my favorite places to hop on and do a podcast or do anything with

Unknown Speaker 0:30
simply because let’s make good use of that time. Sometimes I’d rather get in the car and create, then consume. So that’s what I miss about doing these in the car.

Unknown Speaker 0:46
So I had a, had somebody reached out. In regards to the podcast, I want to say thank you anonymous. I seem to be a younger lady who has kind of gone through some shit. And

Unknown Speaker 1:04
she’s on her, she’s on her spiritual journey. And has gone through some breakups and gone through some other stuff.

Unknown Speaker 1:13
But the big point really is she says, Hey, I have maybe this is my quarter life crisis. And

Unknown Speaker 1:21
I told her, you know, there’s a, it’s kinda like these windows of opportunities. I think you’re, you know, at least in my experience, right, we always got to talk about, it’s been my experience that, in my experience,

Unknown Speaker 1:34
I was in that space a couple times, in my younger years, where I was feeling very spiritual and closer connection to the divine, if you will, call it what you want. And when I brought it up to a couple different people,

Unknown Speaker 2:00
they just kind of gave me the eye, right? And there’s like, whatever, dude. And the thing was, I didn’t feel like I had somebody to talk to. Right, I know that she’s coming out of

Unknown Speaker 2:15
talks about, you know, also coming out of her religion, 2.6 years. And the thing is, is what happens is, first of all, now you don’t have something you don’t feel like you have somebody you can talk to. So you kind of go back inside, you keep feeling it for a little bit. And then what happens is you’re distracted. The pace of life picks up the game. And you kind of forget that you’re on that spiritual journey. You know, you kind of forget and that window of opportunity. As I look back, it was there several times, there’s always there’s always a moment of transformation, there’s always a moment where you can make that choice that send you down the path that could lead you to greater spiritual connection. And look, guys, and gals. I think that it’s really important to say that that’s spiritual spirituality, that sense of self. You know, that kind of the inside of you the divine spark that gives you life, you know, when they call it, they call it prana. You know, your lifeforce, it’s going through you. And sometimes you’re not feeling right, you’re not feeling in touch with that if you’re not feeling somewhat vitalized not revitalized. If you’re not feeling that you’ve got some type of sensation that you’re humming for in life, then you’re not in touch with that and not in touch with stores you’re in not connected to your your spirit, right? How many times have people say that, we’re going to do this in the sphere of or that person is very spirited or a horse, spirit of horses, something that comes to my mind. Meaning that they’re hard to control or maintain or they have a life of force of their own. That’s driving them that’s beyond your, your means of control. That meet that next internal control. My ability to control you because you’re very spirited person meaning and I’m subservient to external forces. When you’re driven by the spirit of something, the spirit of your your great ideas of passion Does this tremendous alignment with who you show up as every day. And that’s the window of opportunity, as a window of opportunity is who, you know, if you’re feeling that way. And you’re able to have a conversation with somebody who has been in that space and knows what it’s like to, to do both to do to reject it. Or to not be able to find somebody to help you facilitate grabbing hold of that shit and grabbing on for dear life and just saying, I don’t know where this is going, but it feels fucking awesome. That’s, that’s kind of the, that’s the window of opportunity. Because what’ll happen is if you don’t, if you don’t, if you don’t find that person, if you don’t find somebody that, you know, says, Hey, you know what? Yeah, I get it, you know, align with that shit and go for it. And yes, it says just to you, because all you’re looking for is just just a little, just a little bit of like, yes, okay to go for that. It’s okay, that you’re feeling like, you know, this, this spiritual disconnect, reconnect, because you’ve been outside of yourself for so long. The window closes. And I can tell you from personal experience, my window closed for 20 years. And so I told her, I said, you know, I’m just compelled to tell you how you make sure that you see this, don’t lose this window of opportunity. Pay attention to it, because it’s showing up in your life for a reason. And it’s showing up now. So that, you may hold on to it, so that you may talk through it. And it’s really, you know, that’s the veil, right, the veil is so thin,

Unknown Speaker 7:19
that you can see through it. What you can’t touch it, you know, the veil is so thin that you can, you could reach to it. And it always seems out of reach, but it’s always right there. And all you got to do is be willing to, to stand the minimal amount of tension that’s between you and your spirit to pierce it right to connect with it. And you know, that that’s been my experience. And that that was my you know, that’s all I can really say on that. So they’re anonymous, you know, also know that it’s, she said, there’s a couple of pieces to write and other pieces to your brain. And your your cognitive abilities aren’t fully formed until about 23 to 26. So the other piece of that is it’s like it’s kind of like your your whole consciousness is slamming into place right now. Right? So you’re coming into being it’s not like it’s it’s like, if we can go back to the Wayback Machine. And you’d look at some 56 k dial up internet and how long does it used to take to download that shit? The lifetime I guess what? new technology has not been invented as long as they can humans have been around and sometimes that download takes a long time for a full consciousness connection. Because if it came down all at the same speed, and just like they’re your dog, right full full on explosion. So that does another piece. The other piece is you know, changing out of the religion. It’s interesting. It’s very interesting, because all the texts all the infinite wisdom that’s in like, I think every religion is the same. You know, it’s essentially the same Edwin Brian does, like Hinduism. was talking about it once upon a time. It’s just like, there’s so many different ways to go about it. That you know, eventually As you’re done flipping through the pages of all the different ones you could choose, it’s like, you just got to pick one and ride it out. You know, just kind of pick one and ride it out. And I promise you, that ship will take you there, it will take you there. Pick any one of them. They all work. What doesn’t work is when you start hopping in between each and every other one of them. Now, that being said, also enjoy Florence scovel Shinn, and the idea that you can’t learn your lessons from just one man. Right? So sometimes you need the other texts to supplement your current text. And how that work is, you know, I read a lot about Christians becoming better Christians through Buddhism, right, there are some, there are some wisdoms that you may not be open to, because you’ve heard them your whole life you’ve already set like some type of you’ve already set some type of level of understanding that you may not be willing to revise, because you said it right. You said hey, this is this, I understand it as such and does this, you know, and once you kind of lock it in, you’re very reticent to alter that, unless, or until maybe you go and you pick up some Buddhism, right, and you’re reading or Hinduism or whatever. And there’s like this line in there. That seeks past, like the defense mechanisms that seeks past all these other levels of understanding that you’ve already set and created. For some, you know, Jews, even Christianity, for example, you’ve already set your level of understanding for XYZ story, and like the set and then like,

Unknown Speaker 12:15
something will come along and Buddhism, and it’ll be almost the exact same story.

Unknown Speaker 12:23
And we’ll make it click, you’d be like, Oh, my God, holy shit. That’s it. That’s what they meant. And you know, the book of Job. I don’t even know, right, Leslie, but your filters are set to your current level of understanding. So

Unknown Speaker 12:41
if you go to this is why, like, you know, Buddhism, this is why Eastern religion is so attractive to us Westerners, because we’ve already we’ve already made up our minds about the Bible, we already made up our minds about God, we know all that should already give me something new. Right? Because we are also wise, full of it. So the thing is, whatever your your religion is, now, I promise you, the answer is available there. The thing is, you’re done looking there, you want a new experience, and so you’re just not willing to see it. And that’s okay. But just know that you know, what your league, you know, what you’re looking for, what you’re seeking is seeking you what you’re looking for is available, right where you are to day with the resources, and the people and the things that are there today. And that’s okay. If you’d rather go look somewhere else, but know that know that it’s available there for you today. Know that, you know, your group is a religion, if you’ve been in the same place for 26 years, you know, with the same religion there’s, there’s just, there’s, it’s in there for you. Right. And, and the way you’re thinking the connection with spirituality, it’s available within that group. And I say that simply because, you know, I still remember a good buddy of mine, Rudy. When I was going through like my quote unquote, awakening, right when I was going through this, you know, people like you know, existential crisis wise, going through this. Holy shit. I just connected with spirit, and I don’t know what the fuck is going on. I was able to turn to Rudy and say, Rudy, I’m going through this. I’m going through this. Holy shit, Rudy, because I yeah, testimony. I was like, and he said it and it was just he accepted it just so easily. We were eating food, I still remember at the buffet. And he didn’t skip a beat. Did not skip a beat. So I just watch it. Know that while it may not feel comfortable for you to have that conversation with someone that’s you know, within, you know, your, your immediate confines, I guess it’s okay. But the chances are is that there’s much greater acceptance of who you are where you are, then sometimes you give people credit for, and especially when it comes to spirituality and that’s been so far that’s been my experience. So again, you know, look, windows of opportunity, meaning if you’re feeling connected to source right now, follow that because if it shuts down and you let the rest of your life you know, take take place, then you may let it go. And you may, it may take a while for us to pick it back up again. If it takes a long time for you to pick back up where you left off with the ability to have the universe behind your back. You know, the next 10 to 1520 years just could be rough because you dropped it

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Come on in for a spin, Emmy Harr & I have a blast as we cover topics such as following your bliss and pop up christian camps.

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Unknown Speaker 0:02
You’re listening to the Spiritual Dope podcast with your host, Brandon Handley the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 0:11
with today’s

Unknown Speaker 0:11
guest from your essential nature’s podcast this spiritual worked out ready

Brandon Handley 0:20
hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Emma har and she’s coming to us here from your essential nature podcast. I met Emma through Dr. Ben chambers and the your essential nature podcast. And that podcast is based on the longer yearning that we all have to know ourselves at the deepest level. And in this podcast series, they explore the template to know yourself, experience peace, and grow in mindful awareness and bring more light into the world. Who wouldn’t want to be check in into that? Right. So thanks for joining today. You know, tell us a little bit about what brings you here today.

Emmy Harr 1:06
Oh, my goodness, yes. Well, um, this is a common mistake. So I’ll give you a little past card for this. But my name is actually me. So just like the Emmy Awards, short for Amber. So um, yeah, as far as bringing in, I think we’re just kind of in this expansion phase of getting connected with your right tribe. Okay. And with your essential nature, Ben did an amazing job kind of plucking the the the misfit toys and putting them together. And we just had an amazing chemistry as the the group of four of us. And with that, each person’s kind of doing their own thing, as far as building their spiritual practice and their spiritual businesses, and helping clients that way. And so, yeah, you and I got connected from mutual friends and mutual friends. And it’s just, now’s the time to say yes, and manifestation. So absolutely.

Brandon Handley 2:04
I love that. So I like to start these off with the idea that sources speaking through us, and that there’s somebody out there listening to this podcast today. And a message can only come through you to them through this podcast. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Patience.

Emmy Harr 2:34
Definitely patience, especially when it comes to the surrender process. As your life starts unfolding, it’s happening for you, not to you. And it takes a little bit of patience, probably more patience than anybody wants to admit that they are.

Brandon Handley 2:50
Sure, sure. We are not patient. People, especially, especially in Western society, right. How has that shown up in in your life?

Emmy Harr 3:05
page? Oh, gosh, yeah, definitely more of a recent thing. So I remember when I was little, I always felt like I was different, not like a weird, different, but a really good different. And not an arrogant sense of I’m better than everybody. But just like, I felt like I knew something more than the average person my age did. And lo and behold, that was basically just like utilizing light, right? Like That was my gift is being a beacon instead of darkness really. And so I remember just like going through middle school, especially a little bit of high school, college, even post college, just feeling like I was like, Am I just so abnormal, that I don’t have anybody, like, even my really good friends? That like truly gets me, you know, like, and I remember just like yearning for these deep relationships. And then, ironically, about five years ago, I moved from Wisconsin to Austin, Texas. And that was when my whole life was really just like, flipped upside down. like totally shaken. I remember. As soon as I stepped foot on Austin ground I remember looking straight up to the sky and asking what the hell am I doing here? Because I truly, I know I was guided down there and I knew it was gonna be like a powerful season in my life. But I mean, immediately like, I could just feel my whole aura just shaking, like could not get grounded for the first like year and a half No matter how much yoga, meditation, dance like none of that. And I remember just like crying, just begging for one person, one person that understood my heart and Yeah, then and of course, that can be friendships. I know for a lot of people, it’s romantic partners as well. And we’re always just craving that soul partnership. And yeah, I can tell you like, even with Austin I was that’s when I started basically commission only a business insurance and finances, and I had no concept of what business or sales meant, you know, I came from the infant room with 14 infants prior to. So I was really I was on my own I had one friend that was never there, he moved from Austin with me. And then I didn’t know anybody working 90 hours a week studying learning this whole new realm. You know, it was really a you eat what you kill type of environment, right survival mode on its on its best. And it just felt like I was always just like hacking away, right, like taking the ice pick to a sculpture. And yet the sculpture wasn’t forming. And I was just working so hard. And it nothing was flowing, like not even my energy was. And so fast forward three years, I moved to Kansas City, again, a divine, a divine way on how I knew it was Casey that I was supposed to go to. But it just felt like a huge way it was just like, lifted off my my chest, I could breathe, even though it was freezing. And it just felt like things were coming together. And now I have an amazing tribe of members who like to have depth, in depth conversations, they like to talk about God, we can have civilized conversations, on politics, spirituality, all of this. And within the last probably six to eight months, I’ve just really been at this surrender phase of like, okay, universe, you’re the one leading my life, I’m just swimming through it. I’m totally just at bay here. And I can say that, since that’s happened, it’s just been a lot more peaceful of a life. And I’m still being taken care of, you know, it’s more of a less survival more of an abundance mentality. And so, you know, it’s funny, I think about well, it only took me 28 years to get to that point. But I know people were in their 60s that aren’t even at that point. So when I talk about patience, I mean, patience.

Brandon Handley 7:30
For sure, for sure. Lots in there. Right. So thanks for sharing, kind of that, you know, backstory on I remember, I went to Texas, went to Dallas. And I think that I had a really similar experience where I got down there and I was what what am I doing here? Maybe it’s just Texas. They are, they are a different breed. And that’s okay. Right. And, and, you know, you mentioned, you know, you know, all the yoga all the meditation kind of makes me think of all the king’s men and all that, you know, you know, Humpty Dumpty couldn’t put it back together again. But, uh, you know, but that’s it, right? Like, everything you were doing you still you weren’t kind of coalescing and gathering shape, they’re right, or form the form at least that you were in search of, while you were in Texas, right. And you also talk about this being in survival mode. And, and, you know, kitten, you know, eating what you eat what you kill, right? survival mode aspect, and, you know, that’s, it’s, it’s kind of a, it’s a tough existence, right? There’s a, there’s a Francis ism involved with survival mode, right, there’s a, there’s a closed off sness of being in survival mode. Primarily, because you don’t know that there is another mode available. Right? Like, this is just kind of how you’re taught to, you know, go out there, it’s like, you’re literally being pushed out of the nest. Right? Yeah. Like, you know, you either fly, or you’re or you figure out some other way to make it about a little broken wing. So, you know, definitely, definitely interesting to kind of be going through all that and also looking for some type of connection. You know, when when you’re talking about, you know, killing you know, you know, eating what you kill in that moment. Even that phrase limits the potential of connection, right, if that’s your mentality, right? Um, you know, it’s kind of like, if we think of like law of attraction, like who’s drawn to that, right. And then of Iran because it you know that that also to me indicates like the Yeah, the certain strength of will and desire to live and be so doesn’t you know, there’s also that right. But you probably weren’t really thinking of it in those terms. I could be wrong, right? You may not have been thinking about it in those terms at that time, because it sounds like you’re like, I gotta get the hell out of here. And where is the next year? And the next year for you? Kansas City.

Unknown Speaker 10:26
I mean, you know who, you know who

Brandon Handley 10:29
am Right, right, you’re right. Like if I’ve got even even if I’ve got a map up on the wall and a Dart, the likelihood that is going to hit Kansas City, and that’s going to be, you know, my nama stay place. Right. Oh, God, why and how so? Tell us a little bit about how you ended up there. What was it that drew you to Kansas City? Yeah, that’s

Emmy Harr 10:51
so funny. Um, I had never even heard of Kansas City until a few years ago. And just real quick,

Brandon Handley 10:59
Kansas City’s in Missouri. Not Kansas. No, it’s

Emmy Harr 11:03
both split town. It’s so what the hell no.

Brandon Handley 11:08
This is a strong note to that. It’s like calling turkey burgers like hamburgers, right? Like that’s just to know that’s it. That’s a turkey Patty.

Emmy Harr 11:16
No, there’s Casey, Mo, and Casey. Okay. I learned that the hard way. So my, one of my dear friends from college moved here. I think four, four years ago or something. So I was still in Austin. She moved here. And I remember in Austin, when I was starting to make a little bit of money, I got the flow of business. You know, I was like, cool. The reason I’m making money and want to make money is so that I can go travel and experience the world, right? And so where do you go, you go to Kansas City to visit one of your best friends. So I remember I was I came here during summertime, in 2016, or 2017. And it was so much fun. It was great. And the irony is I remember she took me out for bagels. And we were sitting outside in the sunshine. And I remember being I was just starting to get into real estate investing at the time. And I was like, You know what, Brett? I’m, what if what if I bought a duplex and you live on one side, and I live on the other and we’ll just be best friends forever, right? So, but it was just kind of like just talk, I was like, I’m not moving here like I don’t know. So then fast forward a year, it was October of 2018. And end of September, I just nothing with my business with insurance was working. Everyone was canceling their appointments, I was getting chargebacks, which is where money gets taken out of my account because somebody cancelled their policy. I was nobody wanted to book an appointment. It was just like dead. And I was like, Okay, what is God trying to tell me here? Like, clearly this is a stop, right? And so, my business partner at the time, he was like, Okay, I just kind of throw it out to him. And I was like, You know what, I’m just going to stop until until October because that’s when Medicare starts. And that was like a lot of what I was doing. And he was like, Yeah, cool, but what are you going to do for your soul? And I was like, what, and he was like, I’m gonna, I’m gonna almost force you to go up to Wisconsin and go visit Brittany in Kansas City, whatever you want to do. And I was like, okay, so I flew up to Wisconsin to visit family was there for a few days road trip down to KC to visit Brittany who had just had surgery. And so I just remember arriving in Kansas City. And the first day that I, the first morning, I woke up, it was 40 degrees, which, by the way, I think I was actually born on the sun. So anything less than 80 degrees is freezing to me. So the fact that it was 40 degrees. And I was just like, yes, like seriously, just a weight lifted off. I felt just such immense peace. And to me that Spirit speaking to me, that’s God’s peace, his presence. And I was just like, Okay, and then all of a sudden, all of these business inspirations just kept firing. And I was like, just I felt like I was home. And then, so after this, this visit with Britt, then I went back to Austin. And I was literally depressed, couldn’t get off of the couch, my my friend’s couch at the time, by the way, because for three days straight, and I remember my business partner, he’d have to text me to be like, hey, go for a walk today. Like I was in mobile. It just didn’t feel right. And I was in between spaces because I had a duplex under contract that took five and a half months to close and it was just like, kind of a pain right? Then I don’t remember how but I think my partner and I, we we met up for lunch one day, and I just randomly blurted out, I’m moving to Kansas City. And there was a sturdiness and the tone and the frequency that we both knew. We We’re like, Oh, crap, it’s time. And so I got everything squared away, closed on the property found renters in Austin. I hosted my parents for Christmas. And then they actually helped me pack up, and then move to Kansas City on their way back to Wisconsin, which was so sweet. And yeah, so then the irony Now, remember that story of Brittany and I bagels and the irony is now I own a four Plex. She’s not one of my tenants yet, but one day, I’m sure she will be. No, but yeah, I ended up investing in real estate very quickly when I got down here and and that in and of itself was divine timing. And yeah, so it just I remember like walking in the rain and the snow that first that first season because I moved here December 2019. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Again, rain and snow, not my cup of tea. But it just felt like Oh, I’m so so happy. My heart was just Oh, singing in the rain.

Brandon Handley 15:54
I love it. I love it. It’s kind of like, you know, you get this divine inspiration. And it is imminent in some way, shape or form. You don’t know how it’s going to happen. But you just kind of you have that you have that peek into the future. All right. And you speak it into existence, right? You make a joke about it. Right? You speak existence, though, right? It’s real similar to kind of like how you’re in. Kind of like you’re like, I don’t see any clients. I don’t see any business. I don’t see any of this. And sure enough, that these are the things that you’re saying to yourself. And sure enough, you’re not seeing any of it right. It’s you’re speaking that into existence. And then, you know, you find yourself in a place of harmony. And you know, this kind of good resonance where you’re you’re sitting or Brittany, you’re hit by this sun. And things start opening up again for you because you’ve opened up right, because you’ve sent out like this sense of harmony in that space, where you were where you guys are kind of hanging out eating the bagels. And then when you go back and you’re just kind of morose, right, you’re like, Fuck, Texas. It’s just isn’t it? Right this this, isn’t it? This isn’t my space. This isn’t something is off key. Right. And and, you know, again, you felt like in your heart to like the end, you felt the things weren’t moving at your pace five and a half months to close on a place. I mean, come on. Right. So thanks,

Unknown Speaker 17:29
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Emmy Harr 17:30
I just add it took me 35 days to close on a four Plex here. Right? So wait, this is what it’s supposed to be.

Brandon Handley 17:37
Right? Right. So I mean, you know, when when you are in alignment with your sense of purpose and bliss and your own good feeling. This isn’t and you know, people always kind of, you know what I’m talking about following your bliss and just out there was a world we follow your bliss. Look, there’s a certain that you know, there’s a there’s a discernment between like following your bliss and imminent folly. Right. So you were though, you know, you’re following your bliss, your heart intuition. And when you’re doing that, just as you’re highlighting right now, your story indicates that the universe opens up and gets behind you with that right universes like Pikachu, this is this is happening, like you said, for you, not to you. Right. And so that to me, sounds like what your experience has been so far. Have I got that about? Right?

Emmy Harr 18:35
Yeah, absolutely. And I might even add, like for so I’ve always been deemed as sensitive, right? Like, I have an act and not only like not just really not emotionally sensitive but just like an awareness right. And one of my one of my spiritual comrades here in KC we were just talking a month ago, and she even said, because nobody can understand the why, you know, like, I came down to Texas and I again, I was guided down there, I knew it was Texas that I had to go, I could feel the energy of God saying Yes, go with that. And but I knew it was going to be like a learning curve. And so my, my spiritual comrade just made a comment, like, you know, there’s there’s different you know, how there’s like different war zones or different like boot camps or base camps throughout. And it has a different energy when you drive past them, right. And so she said, the same thing with the spirit realm is there’s these different Warzones these different base camps, and maybe just maybe Austin happens to be one of them. And I was connecting into that. And Casey like that we have a lot of like, there’s the International House of Prayer here. Like there’s a lot of a lot of that spiritual and spirituality. Even the religion here, you know, it’s just like more

Unknown Speaker 19:57
God Yeah, so

Emmy Harr 20:01
maybe I was even picking up on that. And that’s why like, which came first the chicken or the egg, you know?

Brandon Handley 20:08
Not for sure. I love that I love that idea to have you know, the the camps, right and different energies and, you know, I’m always reminded of the book the obstacles away. I’m not a big fan of the book, but that’s what it reminds me of right? Have you ever read it, but the idea is, and then and then you know, as you’re talking and you’re sharing that kind of reminded of like, I’m even just holding up a mirror when you’re trying to shine the light, right? Maybe your mirror was down in Austin, and the light was shining over into right like, Kansas City, right? You know, this is here’s, here’s where you catch your, your, your, your ray of sunshine is over there over here type of thing, you know, write a letter, but anyways, right? That’s just kind of the thought processes, as I’m listening to the story. So you’re kind of you’re following your bliss. You’re, you know, feeling your spiritual self, right? Where’s Where did you feel like you kind of connected with your spirituality and felt the strong pull for that. And I love the idea to have like, you know, what are you going to do for your soul? I love that. Right? And Was that something that helped spark that? Or was that already in existence? Because I know, you’d already talked about a lot of yoga and meditation as well, where where did you initially kind of connect with source and decide that that was going to be a part of your life?

Emmy Harr 21:38
Yeah, so I was born and raised Catholic. And so God has always been a part of my life now. I love the traditions and rituals of Catholicism. However, the strictness never really resonated with me, but Jesus guide disciples, saints, just having an army for us. That always resonated with me ever since I was little. So luckily, I had that foundation innately and also fostered. Now when it became more of a relationship with God, instead of just an abnormal what word Am I looking for? Like just an abstract thought, right? I was in college, one of my dear friends, she had actually tricked me. And I talked about this on your essential nature, but she had tricked me on what happened to be a student led, faith based retreat. I didn’t know is faith based. She was just like, yeah, it’s really fun. You get to throw like, pockets of glue at each other. And there’s like a mud fight and all of these things. I’m like, I’m super extroverted by nature. And I’m like, yeah, that’s amazing. And I just transferred colleges. So of course, I was like, wanting to look for, like, get to know people and meet people who like to do fun things. And so when I was there, I read it, like dawned on me, okay, this is, this is about God. And I remember looking at Ashley, and I was like, what she’s like, I’m sorry, I just didn’t think you would come. Like, you’re right. I probably wouldn’t not like out of anti God or anything like that. Just a matter of, okay, like, I already know, God, I don’t need to do anything, you know. But that’s what, that’s what opened my eyes to this concept of having a relationship. So that’s how I in my world, Faith is the relationship of religion is the structure or the dogma. And so I started learning and developing relationship. And then I just had great spiritual mentors. And then eventually, I think it was my, either senior super senior year, I met a mentor that kind of blended this whole new age energy realm, she was very intuitive. I would even call her a medium. But then she also had this Christianity foundation as well. And she did a beautiful job from marrying the two. And that to me felt right and so for her to be like, Oh, yeah, I can see this energy in the room. I’m like, wait, there’s a whole other round, like it was the next level of faith for me. I was like, Okay, so then, yeah, I just kind of started and just kept growing from there. And I just keep listening to what feels true for me, like what resonates it’s a different frequency.

Brandon Handley 24:32
Now for sure. I love that. You know, I love the idea to this army for us, right? So it sounds like even even before you know, even while in Catholicism, you had this army for us mentality, right? The University of benevolent universe, right? This this kind of digital energy source, acting on your behalf right? And that’s great. I love that. Yeah, I’ve never heard it said like that. And I think that that’s, that’s great, right? And I also like this little piece to where, you know, faith is. Faith is what again, I wrote down notes,

Unknown Speaker 25:13
but the relationship

Brandon Handley 25:13
faith is relationship and then your religions call it the framework right of everything else. No, I like that idea too. Because I look at I look at that, too. Without this kind of foundation of any type of religion, or spirituality background, right? It can be a challenge to lean into any type of spirituality, right? If you don’t have kind of the foundation for it, and you start to feel you, like you said, you’re kind of like, an peth, like high energy, connection to source, you can begin to wonder, what is this? What am I feeling? What am I going through, and if you don’t have a, at least a framework, you are, you’re kind of sLl, right? Like, you’re just kind of out there without any anything to bring you back or ground you, right? Or something to at least anchor yourself to

Emmy Harr 26:16
something and I would even, I would even take it one step further. I know from my like, my parents generation, and I might even say that the degeneration just underneath them. Like it’s not spoken about, even if you are extra feely, like I remember, in seventh grade, I actually became I think for at the time, one might have said I was depressed. But I was depressed because I was witnessing How rude. My classmates were being to this one, one particular classmate of mine, and I could almost feel her sadness. And I didn’t know what was going on. And my mom thought I was going crazy. She signed me up for a child psychologist wanting to help me, you know, she’s like, I don’t know if she’s suicidal. I was not. But I mean, that’s how that’s like, how I could process at the time. And so they shut off, you know, at no, at no criticism for themselves, but they were shut off because their parents were shut off, right? Like, that was the Great Depression era. So everyone was in survival mode. And then that’s just kind of what was taught, and then handed down. And so if you’re feeling me, or seeing or hearing these different things that you don’t know, or you don’t have the framework or foundation for, it can be really tricky when you’re not even in a a, like an area where it’s spoken about to normalize it.

Brandon Handley 27:45
Not 100 100%, right? And I love that too. You know, you’re looking, you’re looking back through history, and you know, what’s acceptable in this energetic realm, right? So what you’re kind of explaining is, you didn’t have the ability to protect your energy field, right? Or the, you know, how do you address that again, and your parents addressed it by being like, Oh, she’s okay. I don’t know what the fuck her but let’s go get her some help. Right? Because they did. And that’s awesome, right? Because they realized that they weren’t their limits, you know, as a parent myself, I’m like, Alright, we know if I’m out of all the other options, let’s, who can we reach out to? Right? And what what do we got there? So, um, I love it. And then so your, your your friend, the New Age, energy, you know, connecting the realms of, you know, Christianity into all that even a mediumship? What would you say? You know, she did all that, you know, what have you taken away? And how are you implementing what she taught you? Like, what were a couple of key pieces that you you feel like you pulled away from her that you’re replicating?

Emmy Harr 28:56
That’s a great question. That’s so interesting, because I feel like everything’s just been so fluid. Like, it’s just one extra layer kind of building, building bricks laying on top of each other. So to pinpoint it, I remember being in our office late on Tuesday nights where we were playing with the enneagram. Right? And she was teaching me intuition how to just pick what felt right. You don’t have to analyze but just pick what felt right. Or we would play with other personality. wheels are, I don’t know some more of the psychology side of, of intuition. Really, because psyche means intuition, I believe. And, but then just more I would say trusting a that you can see, like into another realm. I always thought that that was for somebody higher up right and I’m actually like in in development That that trait I didn’t even realize that I had. And then I can put two into get together like, Oh, I do see things without even realizing. So trusting the intuition and trusting what you’re seeing, right, because that’s another form of intuition, I would say is probably the biggest one. And then also healing. So energy healing, she introduced to me Reiki, and that was a whole other like, the healing aspect was massive for my growth.

Brandon Handley 30:31
And let’s talk about that for a second. So what I do want to talk about that but but before we do that, when you say intuition,

Unknown Speaker 30:41
what do you mean?

Emmy Harr 30:46
The internal knowingness

Brandon Handley 30:51
I like that. Yeah, that’s good. You know, listen, because I don’t know. You know, when when somebody says intuition exactly what you mean by that. So the internal knowingness i think that that, that that’s a great, that’s a great way to say it. succinct, even. So thank you. And then energy healing, reiki, right. I talked about that. Once I’ve never experienced it myself. I’ve had the offers right to for people to do it for me. But I’ve never had the experience. So talk to me kind of what that experience has been like for you. And you know, how you felt afterwards?

Emmy Harr 31:30
Yeah, so Reiki is really, it’s divine lead. You know, there’s a lot I’m learning that there’s a lot of misconception on this new age, energy. And the fact that it’s almost like black magic and know everything if it’s done correctly, it should be divine LED, so whether you call it source God, power universe, he she it, you know, it’s always with love and light intention. As always, if you’re going to a real, a real healer, it’s going to be with love and light as the intention anywho. So Reiki is basically just a cleansing of our energy centers, also known as chakras along the body. And we know that everything in life is energy, like even this hard table that I’m sitting at is made up of energy, it’s just matter. And so we have energy around us also known as the aura, and then we have energy zones within us the chakras. So Reiki is really just utilizing someone’s intuition because we are the vessels for God’s like love. And where where things feel out of alignment or imbalanced or whatever the the word you want to use. You just send love and light because really love heals all. And so she was she was showing me Reiki and she would do it on me and I always felt like a peacefulness, a calmness. I felt lighter. People in pictures during college, they were like, are you losing weight, you have a glow to you. I wasn’t losing weight. I was just reading my old baggage that I didn’t need to keep, right. Like, we’re emotional hoarders. I didn’t need to keep that on me anymore. I learned that lesson. And so yeah, it was just it was so inspiring that by the end of college, so my super senior, I did become level one certified and Reiki. So then that led to other realms of energy healing as well. But yeah, it’s it’s a powerful gift. I mean, really, we’re just giving each other

Brandon Handley 33:37
how, yeah, right. That’s great. I love the idea to write emotional hoarders. You really are. It’s like, I mean, and for no reason other than I don’t think that we know any better. Right? You can’t you know, what’s, what’s so what’s the line? I forget who it is do what you do until you know better? Right? You know? And you know, you just you do best until you know better and I think that we are emotional hoarders and I love that I was pissed just a minute ago and I want to share some more about that let’s we’re gonna last week I was saying you know, you just hold on to that forever right? instead just be like, just let that go That was a moment and and what’s next what’s behind that and what’s what are we going forward into? So you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? How like this is just like, that’s your hit every day like you can get like this you can get like this weird you know, full body super high vibration through spirituality, right? That’s the kind of the spiritual dope, right of spiritual dope. So what would you say like some of your spiritual dope is if you’re just getting ahead of it? What is that?

Emmy Harr 34:52
Gosh, even there’s a running joke with your essential nature because every we film every The other week, and every other week when we do meet up, it’s just like we’re hanging out. And like buds are just hanging out at the table. Just invigorating conversation. I can’t even explain it. So my spiritual dope my hit, is the conversation where we get to go in depth. Aside from that, I do get a spiritual dope when I either give and or receive energy healing. Love it.

Brandon Handley 35:29
Agreed, right? The this right here, right? This kind of conversation, we just get the opportunity to share your story. You can exchange, you know, the these high energy ways of being with somebody else. And they get it, right like to like, Oh, yeah, yeah. And not only that, but like, and there’s more. But wait, But wait, there’s more. Right. But wait, there’s more and like, Oh, wow. Or like, why did I didn’t think about it that way? And you know, helping somebody changed, change their paradigm. Right. And I think that that’s what you guys are able to do on your essential nature as well. Right. So how did you get looped into doing? That was a couple other gentlemen. Right, you know, doing the your essential nature podcast? How did you get involved with that?

Emmy Harr 36:19
Yeah, truly, it was kind of one of those surrender moments where I didn’t even ask for it. It just presented itself. And it felt right. So I followed it. So Ben, Dr. Benjamin chambers, he was really the the director, if you will. So he had, he had been getting a lot of these downloads, which for him is from spirit, right? downloads of some type of podcast talking about things that aren’t being talked about, or in a way that they’re not being talked about, or something like that. I see Benji chambers podcast on that. But he he and I always had like a sarcastic sense of humor with one another. So I got looped in with him originally, because he hosts guided meditations on Tuesdays. And so I’ve been going to those for maybe six months at the time. And we we have a great sense of humor. Like we just kind of shoot the shit like, give each other crap. And we just jive really well with humor, humor, humor, IQ, chemistry. Anyways, so he had brought this up, and he was like, well, I really want to get a group together. I’m going to ask these guys, but I really like I think you should be a part of it. And I’m like, okay, like, I never said no, in my brain. I was just like, yeah, it’s fun. I like hanging out with you. I like to get to know other people. And I’d like to take my hint of spirituality. So in my mind, I was like, already on board, but apparently wasn’t conveyed. Because he kept like, kind of pursuing or like, tickling. Like, he would keep bringing it up, like, Oh, you should do this. Like every other week, he would just make a comment as if I wasn’t fully convinced or something. So then finally, I was like, yeah, so when are we like, let’s not talk about it. Let’s be about it. When are we? When are we filming? He’s like, oh, you’re in? Like, yeah. So he kind of orchestrated it. He, he knew the mic. They had met a year ago, Dave they had met prior to and then he just kind of got this sense that it would be the four of us would have a really good chemistry.

Brandon Handley 38:25
And you guys do have you guys do have good chemistry. And that’s funny, too, right? The when we doing this, right? We’ve been talking about this, but like when it’s like just pull the pull the trigger. Right?

Emmy Harr 38:37
That’s kind of our mo like, I’m very much the the Dewar and he’s very much the seer, I guess. I don’t know, see the visitor? I think we’re both visionaries. But yeah, I just I’ve got more of an action base to me, if

Brandon Handley 38:57
you will. Sure. Sure. I mean, look, you just you you uproot yourself ran down to taxation, then like, you’re like, Hey, I’m gonna make this decision. And I think that that’s a big part of it, too. Once you kind of make the decision that sounds like you just move ahead with it. Right. And I look, I made the decision, but let’s, I mean, what’s next, right? Like, I mean, what else we need to talk about? Then let’s just go do it. Right.

Emmy Harr 39:20
That’s so important to me. And that’s kind of where, you know, I do feel like my, sometimes I’ve, okay, oftentimes, I’ve felt like I have to in our worlds kind of always at war in a way I know all this language. It sounds like I’m so intense. I’m really anyways, but um, so I have this like really bold entrepreneur movement maker, right? I was 100% Commission. No, of course I have that fight of me. You know, this is like I can thrive anywhere. But then I also do have this this soft, emotional conversation. Let’s not do timeframe. So that’s more of like the spiritual realm, right? So I consider it the entrepreneur realm, which is more masculine. And then my spiritual side, my spiritual realm, which is typically more and more feminine. And one thing that I’ve noticed as I’m moving it, like stepping out of the entrepreneurial realm, to the, in the traditional sense, and stepping more towards the spiritual realm, is that for some reason, in the spiritual realm, decisions are scary. And for me, I’ve always really been a big proponent of make a decision and commit, figure out the details later. That’s how Apple moves. That’s how Amazon moves, like, just figure it out. But you have to commit.

Brandon Handley 40:42
Sure, sure. So, you know, that’s another part about I love that you brought that up. That’s another big part about spiritual dope, is this idea? Yeah, there’s of the softness, there’s no timeframe, the surrender, you know, side of spirituality, there. You know, if we look into nature, right? We still have rainstorms. We still have, you know, raging rivers, we still have things that are forceful, right? And dynamically, so and it’s okay to take action and be the one to initiate it to be a part of it. Right. And to go with what you feel and say, I’ve gone Austin, I’ve gone to Kansas City, you know, I’m doing these things and, and like you said, I’m committing to this, and I’m just gonna do it. I don’t know how I just know that I am. Right. And that is like, like your like your Shawn attention to it’s it’s something that there’s a fear and trepidation, I think, in making a decision with many people in the spiritual realm. And I think that mainly because if they, and this is my self speaking, right, coming into this space, if you don’t have like, this kind of this hunter mentality, if you don’t have like this business mindset, right? You feel almost like, it’s against your nature in order to say you’re committed to it, right? almost like you’re afraid that if somebody finds out about, you said, you were gonna do this, and it didn’t happen, and how can you believe in you know, all the spirituality then? Right? Because it’s like, they don’t want to be found that well, that’s okay. Right? to like, not have that thing happen. Right? I love the one. There’s plenty of them out, though. And the exact lines but like, you know, I always say, if I gotten exactly what I wanted, like when I wanted it, when I was younger, or any that like I’d probably be dead. Right? So it was probably spirit looking out for me for not getting what I wanted in those situations, right? Like, well, you know, so there’s that, but the idea of drawing a line in the sand, or even a target and a destination for a lot of these people spirituality, it’s like, they feel like it’s too connected to materialism. Right? Where in actuality, a vision is not too far off from having a goal, right? Plenty people can have a vision, My vision is my goal, right? Or all these other things where ambition is more tied, you know, for me, growing up, like ambition was always tied to, you know, material success, whereas ambition can also be tied to this great spiritual vision. Right? So connecting, you know, those two streams of thought has been a big part of spiritual dopler again, connecting with somebody like yourself who’s leading with spirituality, ambition and and this commitment and decision making capability that you’ve got is still being spiritually LED and is blowing the doors and you know, everything like I said in the beginning here is opening up for you because you’re doing it that way and you’re connected with your spirituality.

Emmy Harr 44:02
Yeah, and I might even say two things about that to help kind of bridge that that gap that some people in the spiritual realm like fear is a I always figured you know, God, God can see the entire forest I can maybe see a tree. So like, if he is the one telling me and directing me Hey, you need to go to Austin or Hey, you need to do go to Casey or you need to do this podcast. Why wouldn’t I want to trust that like, he’s got this vantage point he’s an eagle and I’m just a squirrel. You know what I mean? Like hell yeah, I’d rather trust somebody else than myself. And not not to separate the two right like cuz we are all God, we’re all spirit but then also it comes into the fact of manifestation, meaning, well, and this is something that I learned with my spirituality is once my intuition or my inner child or My angels would tell me something, or show me something and I would act on them out of trust. And then they’re more likely because then it’s building their trust. You know what I mean? Like, it just feels like a mutual pendulum, if you will. Okay, so we know that she’s hearing us, she’s receiving the messages, and she makes this she makes option or takes action on them. So yeah, we’re gonna keep feeding her. You know what I mean? says this, this manifestation of when, when you say you’re going to do something and do it, then it’s, it’s convincing your brain or your spiritual army that yes, she deserves more, she gets more, you know. So that’s helped me.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Now, I love that, thanks for sharing that. It’s really funny. There was um, you had another guest on who who really said it really similar, different different storyline, the similar outcome, right? You say you’re going to do it, and you do it. And the universe becomes kind of like this. You know? Emma says that she’s going to do it, right. Emma says that she’s going to emphasize it’s just going to keep keep opening. All right, Yep. Yep, go ahead, open up the path open up the path just because otherwise, like, right, it’s like, you know, why would I open up the door? If you say you’re not gonna do it? Right? Why would I? Why would I clear the path if, hey, I’m gonna be there at five and you show you don’t show up? Right? Well, I’m not gonna keep open up the path for you. Right? So. So real, real similar stuff there. Um, favorite like is did you have any outside of like, of course, I Bible on scripture, any books, movies, anything that just kind of blew your mind on spirituality?

Emmy Harr 46:44
Gosh, so many. I remember there’s this one movie called Joshua, when I was little. It’s an older movie, I think it was probably in the 90s. But that was just like, again, learning to trust in something bigger than ourselves. And then as far as spirituality, there’s like books on chakras, like aura cleansing. So that really helped me. And then I would say, probably my most recent, which was just very profound. Because of timing in my life, I just finished reading the surrender experiment by Michael singer. And not so that that was just so crazy, because I was actually part of a virtual book club club, who with a corporate couple of older women who wanted to read that book, months ago. And I was like, Hey, I’m not in like, I’m already reading free books. Right now. I’m not in the capacity to read it. But can I at least still join for the conversations, right? So don’t we’ve talked maybe once or twice about the book, because it was such a quick read for them. And it was just fun. It was like a spiritual dope, it was a hit. But we never really registered what what they were reading, like what the content of the book was, because it just didn’t feel like the right timing for me. then fast forward about a month and a half or two, I think about two months. And I just got this inkling you need the surrender experiment. And fourth of July, I was with my buddy, Jeremy Snowden. And we were just doing some inner work spiritually. And I had the revelation of a retreat center, a vision of a retreat center. And I was like, no way. Like, that’s, it was so not me that I was like, This is divine. And so that it was for. So it’s just after that vision that I got this inkling that I need to read the surrender experiment. So Ben actually bought us a couple copies. And we started reading it and or just before the day before I started reading it, I mentioned to one of my co workers. And he was like, oh, that’ll be great. It talks about him in building a retreat center from scratch. And I was like, You’re lying. I was like, No, this is super big. And man, I could not put that book down. I’m a slow reader, especially when it comes to work, like this type of inner work. Sure. But I finished that book in like two or three days, and I just I could not put it down. I was like, as is so crazy.

Brandon Handley 49:19
Yeah, that’s it’s a great one too. I definitely enjoy it. You know, it just begins in that, you know, with the, you know, the whole idea of how limited are you and I write with with what we think we what we think we know with our limited, whatever experiences versus what the universe what Source Energy knows is capable of. And if we go with the idea of having a benevolent universe, if we go with the idea of having an army that’s helping to make things happen for us, what happens if we let go the reins a little Bit what happens if we just say, you know, show me what you got? Right? And just kind of take it? And that’s the Oh, yeah, agreed. I mean that that blew my mind when he kind of described that to me in that book, right. Trying to experiment. The chakras and or, or cleansing books. Would you have like one or two that are top of mind that you share out with others?

Emmy Harr 50:24
Yeah. Do you mind if I go grab it? Because the author here? Okay.

Unknown Speaker 50:30
The more

Emmy Harr 50:32
like, it’s actually an inner like, almost might I say self Reiki in a way, but it’s, it’s called your aura. And your chakra is the owner manual by Carla McLaren. Okay, and so it should it. It kind of goes through or walks through the process of what each aura represents how to what do you want to visualize how to clean it, how to cleanse your aura, your chakras, and then grounding yourself. It kind of goes through techniques with that. So I love that as I was getting started. Nice,

Brandon Handley 51:03
nice. Perfect. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Where should Where should I send people to kind of come check out what you’re up to?

Emmy Harr 51:14
Yeah, definitely. So your essential nature is on both Facebook and YouTube for platforms. It’s probably going to expand but for right now we’ll just stick with Facebook and YouTube.

Brandon Handley 51:26
Fantastic. And before you hop off, is there anything else that you feel like you should share today with with spiritual Oh

Unknown Speaker 51:34
gosh, do

Emmy Harr 51:35
we have an extra three hours?

Brandon Handley 51:38
Sure podcast for

Unknown Speaker 51:40
surely. Surely.

Brandon Handley 51:42
Yeah. So guys, if you want to check out more Have a look. So your says me up here and Emma in the emails? Which is it again?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
know, what emails are you looking at?

Brandon Handley 51:55
I don’t know. I saw Ms. I saw ms somewhere. So I just want to make sure it’s me. Right. I was like, Listen, so it’s me. Me. Yeah, you guys want to go find so this is probably the third time it’s happened to me on spiritual dope. It’s like cuz, you know, and, and I was gonna ask this one. Anyways, so if you guys want to go find out more, what he’s up to the podcast that she’s talking about is so much fun, your essential nature. You know, the three, four of you guys all get on there, you have a good time you talk about some really cool topics you have what’s cool is it’s not, you know, just diverse in you know, racial or, you know, male and female dynamics, but also the age dynamic too. So, you know, there’s just a lot I think that has gone on really great with what you guys have created. So thank you for what you have created, and what you’re sharing out there with your group. appreciate what you’re doing.

Emmy Harr 52:56
And likewise, thank you for having me.

Unknown Speaker 52:58
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