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Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an expert in the field of human potential. Dr. Capshew utilizes psychotherapy, meditation, energy work (Reiki), hypnosis, shamanic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic, Dr. Capshew spreads consciousness through his writing. He published both “Divine Warrior Training: Manifesting the Divine in our World” and “Consciousness Rising,” to spread love through the world and to advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia and enjoys the outdoors, photography and music.

During these uncertain times, the world is yearning for a shift in consciousness. “Consciousness Rising” by Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an enlightening new book that explores the beauty in pure, collective consciousness. By illuminating the destructive nature of the dominator consciousness, Dr. Capshew explains how the best way to bring global change is through self-love and love for one another. With the help of Dr. Capshew’s teachings, readers will understand the importance of attending to one’s own heart. Through the use of mental and spiritual techniques, readers can use neuroplasticity to reframe a more positive mindset and meditation, boost their connection with the Creator and understand that they have inherent value as divine creations. These constructive changes can extend to the outside world and build strong connections between the seen and unseen worlds.

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Have you ever pondered upon the fact that you are capable of so much more and this world is restricting you? Do you feel that you’re capable of doing better things for your happiness? You’re doing your daily duties, but there is always a greater calling and a consciousness to discover? People like to live in disbelief and not gain the consciousness they can and agree to live the same monotonous life. But you realise you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater satisfaction and good?

Here’s the hard truth: you are so much more than you believe you are.

In this episode, we are joined by Thomas Capshew where he talks about his experience throughout his life and his recent book.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways you can bring up your energy and develop a relationship with your interior self.
  2. Discover the importance of listening to yourself and your heart.
  3. Learn the significance of meditation, and Thomas also describes in detail different critical points from his book.

Episode Highlights

[01:34] A Message for the Listeners

  • Thomas delivers the message of more healing over trauma over this entire year.
  • He also mentions that a massive shift will be seen in light, love and life all over the place.
  • The media will only bring in negativity, and hence he promotes that we see around us to see all the positive solutions coming into force.
  • He describes how we are all a part of the consciousness that created this world.

[06:30] Introduction

  • Thomas explains his meandering path through life.
  • He also describes his experience in his childhood growing up in a Christian household as a fundamentalist Christian, going to Law School and then moving to work as a Social Worker.
  • He mentions having a crisis of faith and describes his experience with getting people to adopt Christianity. 
  • He talks about his awakening towards the idea of spirituality.

[18:15] Consciousness Rising

  • He talks about how he had no plans to write a new book, but he got instincts that lead him to write Consciousness Rising.
  • He describes that he talks about how it is essential that consciousness keeps remembered in this material world.
  • Thomas goes on to describe his idea of consciousness. 
  • We’re a part of a vast hide and seek game, where the intelligence and universe forgot themselves, and now it is coming back in a full circle. 

[28:48] Lawyer to Social Worker

  • Thomas talks about how he wanted to follow his heart and do the right thing for him.
  • Sometimes you have to make a bold choice and be courageous.

[31:20] Topography of Potential

  • A mistake is only a choice that you haven’t learnt from yet.
  • Everyone comes into this world with a map, also called topography of potential.
  • Developing different skills is essential to realise the heart song.

[41:07] Tsunami of Acceleration 

  • The tsunami is just the volume of consciousness coming into this world.
  • We are accelerating the recognition of trauma and healing and making it a win-win for everybody. 
  • Additionally, we are also in an over-flooding of information which requires our brain to process vast amounts of data.

[45:52] The Dominator Consciousness 

  • Dominator Consciousness is what has been embedded into us humans for over a thousand years.
  • It instils in us the sense that we need to have power over people.
  • It is about creating a scarcity of resources. 

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Brandon

Brandon Handley 0:00
Yeah, that is worth that it’s worth hitting on right? You know, so that you’re kind of teed up then so Alright, we’ll get it going. And 54321 Hey there spiritual dope. We are here today with my guest Thomas cap shoe. He who Tom what I do with it what I do with your bio Tom. There we go. He is an expert in the field of human potential dr capture, utilize a psychotherapy, meditation, energy work Reiki, hypnosis, sermonic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic Dr. Cap shoe spreads consciousness through his writing, he published both divine war warrior training, manifesting the divine in our world and consciousness rising to spread love through the world and advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and enjoys the outdoors, photography, and music to a doctor. Good Doctor. Thanks for joining us today. Um, I like to start these off with the whole idea that source speaks through us, right? We’re kind of like these conduits for divine energy creation. And right now, in this very moment, something’s common through you that needs to be shared with somebody who’s listening to the podcast, what is that message?

Thomas Capshew 1:33
The message is that this is the year where we are going to have more healing happening in the world on this planet than we have trauma happening. There’s there’s, we’re going to reach a tipping point where the collective trauma and wounds that we’ve all experienced, will be outweighed by the amount of people working to heal those wounds. And from there on out, we’re gonna see a huge shift in the amount of light and life and love that flows into the world.

Brandon Handley 2:22
Where do you feel like you see that

Thomas Capshew 2:26
it’s happening all over the place, you know, if you just listen to the media, you’re not gonna see it, all you’re gonna see is negativity, because that’s what attracts people. It’s like watching an accident, you know, you can’t take your eyes off of it. But if you look at what’s happening in our communities, what’s happening with each other, it’s creating all kinds of Win Win situations from people developing organizations that transform homelessness, to poverty, to all of the all of the major questions and issues that we’ve had as collective humans. Those are all coming into new positive solutions. There’s a website that I follow, called heart math that does a global coherence project where they’ve got these measuring sites around the world that show when the human collective gets gets into coherence with each other, and it’s happening more and more frequently. So there’s lots of lots of evidence. I’m a licensed clinical social worker in Virginia, and have a private practice here, as well as a practice online. And in the last couple of months, I’ve never had the volume of people coming in saying, you know, I’m 55 years old, and I’ve been carrying this around since I was eight years old. I want to get rid of this. From that happened to me this this event that happened to me at eight years old. I’m no longer interested in having it limit me. I’ve had such a volume of people coming in, in the last few months that are shedding their wounds of the past.

Brandon Handley 4:46
That’s great. Do you think that they have what do you think the reasons? Is there something pointing to that like what the reason is for them now? Why now really sad trauma right?

Thomas Capshew 5:00
Well, I think collectively in in my book consciousness rising, I assert that we we are all part of the consciousness that created the universe. And from a vibrational standpoint, as, as time moves forward consciousness, the vibration of consciousness rises. And so it’s easier for people to see their limitations and to recognize that they can shed those limitations. So collectively as a species, our our entire collective is raising its consciousness. So it’s, it’s getting lighter and lighter and easier and easier to shed those darker energies that we took on when we got wounded.

Brandon Handley 5:57
Gotcha. So, you know, it sounds to me, like, you know, just consciousness as a whole is, is evolving, right? And that’s what what we’re what we’re experiencing when we see people who are coming in and releasing the trauma and letting go of the things that are limiting them.

Unknown Speaker 6:13
Right, right.

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Look, I

Brandon Handley 6:15
really enjoy the book, actually, consciousness rising. I want to share it with you. But you know, I’ve got I’m using a, you know, reader on the Mac Book here. And yes, I’ve got highlights, you know, just highlighted many, many different things. You know what, let’s talk a little bit before we jump into the book, though, let’s talk a little bit about you know, who is Thomas cashew? Right? Like, no, you’ve got, you know, what I know about you is, is where the pieces of whereas it says no kind of with the heart of a social worker and the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic. I know if you were those pieces come from myself, but let’s let the audience know, like, where does the the, you know, the mind of an attorney come from? in that?

Thomas Capshew 7:08
Yeah. Well, I’ve called, I’ve had what I call a meandering path through my life. So I started off as the middle of five children raised in a fundamentalist Christian household and started off my college career studying to be a minister, and ended up having a crisis of faith and left the church kind of ended up getting a psychology degree undergrad and then owned a small business and decided I didn’t want to do that any longer. And so kind of on a whim, I went to law school. The reason that I went to law school is because I was a janitor in a law firm and had a running dialogue with the secretaries about how often I was supposed to clean the the kitchen. They were messing it up every day, and I was supposed to clean it up clean at once a week. And the attorneys told me, they were laughing about the messages. We were leaving back and forth. And they said, you should think about going to law school because you make good arguments and you write well, so you know, a few years later, I went to law school. I practice law in Florida for seven years. I enjoyed it. I was good at it, but it didn’t make my heart sing. And so eventually, I got involved in the legal aspects of assisted suicide. That was back when jack kevorkian was doing his thing. And I was doing legal seminars for hospice. Workers about you know how to navigate that thought, and I got to know some social workers and thought, hey, that’s a good combo social work and law. So I went back to school and got a Master’s and PhD in social work, and then graduated and practice social work. And in the meantime, I decided to go to an interfaith Seminary in New York City. And God ordained as an interfaith minister, which kind of completed the circle of my meandering careers, but it’s really fun because I feel like I’ve put them all together and what I do now, which is, you know, I’ve got I’ve got the ability to see clearly the what’s happening, which an attorney does. I’ve got the The compassion that a social worker would have and I have the spiritual focus of my, my interfaith ministry.

Brandon Handley 10:13
Well, you know, I always think of life is the family life Cirque family circus, right? And that path that Billy goes on when he’s kind of walking around the neighborhood, right? It’s just kind of like it’s just and, and life is not linear, right? I don’t care. Yeah, I don’t care who you are. I’m sure you went to school and you had some goals, and you met them? Right by becoming a lawyer. And that seemed like it was linear. But I’m sure that the whole path there and throughout was not right. Right. I’m really curious. So I’m not aware of what a fundamentalist Christian is. Could you just elaborate on that for me, because there might be an audience member to that might not know what that is?

Thomas Capshew 10:57
Okay. The way I’m using that term is someone who believes that the word the written New Testament is to be taken literally, and that that’s what you use to decide how to live your life on a daily basis. And so, it’s non denominational, meaning it’s not, you know, one of the big it’s not Catholic, it’s not Methodist. It’s, it’s just each church stands on its own. So it’s fairly constructive around behaviors. No, no drinking, no smoking, no dancing. No music in the worship service, other than acapella singing. So that’s what I was raised in.

Brandon Handley 11:57
Sounds very, if we’re gonna go to the 80s. Very Kevin Bacon, very Footloose. Right. Yeah, reference see, you know, I’m happy to share my my age, you know, as we as we mark ourselves as we go through these, um, the other piece in here is, you know, so you. So even though it was kind of restrictive, you still went to go study to be a minister right off the bat. Right. And I’m just curious, you mentioned the the crisis of faith, what what do you what do you feel like that was?

Thomas Capshew 12:34
Well, one of the things I did, as a member of the church is I did missionary service. So I went to Europe to try to convert people to Jesus. And the crisis of faith that I had was, I had this question that the members of the church couldn’t give me an adequate answer for and that question was, say, there’s a guy that lives in the jungles of Brazil, and has never even heard of Jesus, much less, you know, been offered to accept Jesus as a savior. And but he lives a good life, and he takes care of people and he does the things that Jesus would, would ask him to do, and he dies, does he go to heaven? Or does he go to hell? And the answer that I got from everyone in the church was, he goes to hell, and it’s your job to get there before he dies, so that he won’t go to hell. And that this wouldn’t compute for me. As, as I have come to know my Creator. The the creative force of the universe, I the shorthand that I use for that force is love. That love is what created the universe and what is that energy that sustains us? And so, obviously, if the Creator is all loving them, they’re you know, may not even be a hell much less. Have some arbitrary decision that some guy that’s not heard of a certain person that’s gonna go to hell.

Brandon Handley 14:37
Yeah, like, what about everybody that came before Jesus, right? That makes sense, right? I mean, I can see kind of where that that that breaks down. And then, so you’re going through law school, you become a lawyer. We’ll hit on heart song here in a little bit. And where you know what They’re kind of in here, do you go full on spiritual? Right Where’s like kind of your I know in your book you and I jotted it down to our at least I highlight it in the book. It’s like, life’s kind of like a series of awakenings. Right. And it’s not just like, not just, hey, there’s one awakening moment. But you know, there’s a series of them. But if you could kind of pinpoint where you feel like you had maybe your first

Thomas Capshew 15:31
Well, the first awakening was the crisis of faith. The Awakening that brought me to the work that I do now is that, as a social worker, the spiritual component often has not considered. And when you think about mental health, often times what I’ve found in my practice, is that mental health issues arise out of a spiritual discontent, out of kind of not really knowing what you’re doing here, not having a framework for how the world works for you. And so then out of those out of those uncertainties often come anxiety or depression, you know, if if you’re working in a, in a job where you’re doing something that doesn’t really make your heart sing, then it’s really easy to go into depression, you know, what am I doing here? Why am I doing this? Am I am I just doing this to get a paycheck so that I can pay my mortgage so that I can, you know, not be homeless? I mean, what kind of life is that. So that’s where the spiritual discontent comes in. And if you focus on getting to the essence of why you’re here, why you’re on the planet, at this moment, or at this lifetime, then you can start moving into a place where you’re, you’re enjoying waking up and getting up and doing what you feel is what you’re supposed to be doing for your life. Instead of doing what somebody else wants you to do for your life.

Brandon Handley 17:35
Right now. Understood, right? Definitely, definitely something that we hit on on this podcast often, right? You know, when you find when you find, you’ve kind of woken up to the idea that what you’re doing now is really everybody else’s best idea for what you should be doing. Right? And then and then then trying to figure out how to unwind all that into what you at least feel like you should be doing. So. No, I love it. So let’s talk about the book. Let’s talk about the book consciousness rising what you know why you why here, why now, this book?

Thomas Capshew 18:14
Well, let me tell you a little bit about how this book came to be. Because after my first book, divine warrior training, I didn’t really have any plans to write a second book, but about four or five years ago, I kept waking up at 4:18am and got up and had stuff to write down, you know, typed out stuff, and I’m like, oh, okay, there’s, that’s an interesting article, like one of the first ones was, nothing exists outside of relationship, that you can’t even define something without defining what it’s not or what it’s in opposition to. And so, over the course of the next couple of years, I just kept on getting prompted to wake up at 418 and write stuff down. It wasn’t every every time at 418, but more often than not, and then eventually it dawned on me again, you know, kind of those awakenings to what source has in store for you. I said oh, this is a book and originally it was a book called The human value proposition which is the first part of consciousness rising, but eventually developed into what what we have now and the Why is mainly because I think Think it is in evitable. It’s the, it’s absolutely essential to reality that consciousness ends up remembering itself in, in, in the material form. That’s the whole process that we’re a minute part of, we’re actually the leading edge of the material form, recognizing everything as divine. And we’re just, we’re just on the cusp of getting to that place where we say, you know, there’s everything sacred. There’s nothing that’s not sacred, and we need to start treating everything that way. And when we do, our whole world is gonna shift.

Brandon Handley 21:03
Oh, absolutely right. I love the idea of kind of being on the edge of consciousness, right being kind of, um, I always think of it as, you know, just being literally on the razor’s edge, right Is that fine as the universe continues to expand? We are, you know, the, the expanded, you know, de expansion of consciousness, right? And right on that edge, right? Always right on that edge of edge of creation, right? This is what’s happening right here. And now, what would you tell me what you mean by consciousness?

Thomas Capshew 21:38
What I mean by consciousness is intelligence that created the material world. So in my first book, divine warrior training, I talked about I call it I call this process, the god game. Gods. You know, one of those shorthand labels for consciousness as well, although it’s kind of been co opted by some people to be something less than what it is. But the god game is, before anything in the material world existed, there existed this intelligence. And this intelligence, decided at a point of singularity to begin a process where matter, matter was created, and matter is more dense than intelligence. And the the game is that, from that point of singularity, it created the material world so that the material world would eventually be able to recognize the intelligence of the universe. So it goes a full circle back, it’s like a Hide and Seek game, you know, we’re part of this huge Hide and Seek game where the intelligence of the universe forgot itself. And now it’s coming back to remember itself.

Brandon Handley 23:18
Love it. So the guy games, the game is, essentially just to recognize the intelligence of the universe. Right. And would you say that, is that part and parcel to reconnecting to it as well? Is, is that the recognition period? Is that the recognition period when you actually connect? reconnect? Yeah,

Thomas Capshew 23:43
yeah, when, you know, we’ve all humans have experienced a habit. We’ve all had an experience where we’ve felt one with everything. Most of us have some, some people say they haven’t felt that but many humans have felt that that’s reconnecting that’s joining back into the the understanding that everything’s connected. Everything you and I are connected, every person that listens to this, every person that doesn’t listen to this is also connected. So that’s, that’s the, that’s the inevitable movement forward of consciousness to get to that place where I recognize that you’re a part of me, that I’m a part of you. I’m a part of the plant that’s sitting in front of me, we’re all connected.

Brandon Handley 24:48
So, I try to I try to share out the idea that, you know, the universe crew was created, you know, from something the size of a pea, right? You know, and And if we think that we’re not connected, like, after all being kind of jammed and crammed into the size of a pea, right, knowing what we know, to about just kind of like, how, you know, photons and you know, everything just stays connected, right? There’s no masses, not masses, there’s never never need less mass, right? You know, the same amount of mass exists and in perpetuity. So, at one point, you know, we, we’ve all been a part of one another, right? So we we carry it, even, even from a material level, right? Even if we can’t, even if we can’t wrap our heads around, like being synced on an energetic level, we can wrap our head around the the idea that we all share some type of at least a couple skin cells from whatever, before us, right?

Thomas Capshew 25:54
Well, if you think about atoms and molecules, atoms, you know, don’t, don’t disappear, they just get reconstituted. So, you know, we each can have atoms that used to be part of Albert Einstein, or part of Hitler, or part of Jesus, you know, those, those atoms that the material world just is in constant flux of shedding stuff and reconstituting as, as something else. And so we’ve each got that that we share.

Brandon Handley 26:38
Now, and I just think it’s, you know, sometimes it’s challenging to share that idea if somebody is not in this space, quote, unquote, right? So if they’re like, oh, what are you talking about? You know, how do you? How do you share that idea? So thanks for thanks for walking through that visual as well.

Thomas Capshew 26:56
Actually, COVID has helped us with that a little bit. Because we now understand in ways that we didn’t before COVID, that respiratory droplets are what sends COVID from me to you. And they’re not anything that we can see. But we’ve certainly been able to verify that with science, right? And so then my, my being in proximity to your being has an impact, even if I can’t see it, right. And so you take that from the biology of COVID. And you put it into the energetics of physics. And, you know, anytime you’re in close proximity with anybody, your your atoms and photons are all mixed up together. And, you know, we know that intuitively. Right? You walk into a room, and everybody’s angry, you can feel it, right. You walk into a room and everybody’s having a blast, you can feel that. Right? You can’t necessarily measure it, because it’s energetic versus, you know,

Brandon Handley 28:22
that we can’t measure it because we haven’t developed the tools to do it yet. Right. Like, I mean, it’s, it’s really, it’s really kind of what it boils down to, right. There’s, I’m sure that there’s you know, I’m sure there’s somebody who’s working on it right now. Right? I’m sure there’s a prototype no doubt, no doubt. Um, one more thing, too, is is, you know, gone from a lawyer to a social worker, right? Why do that?

Thomas Capshew 28:46
Yeah. Why do that? Exactly? Well, because I wanted to follow my heart. I enjoyed practicing law. I was good at it. My last job was as an appellate Attorney for the Department of Transportation in Florida. And if you you know, you want to look it up. I my last case, was before the Florida Supreme Court, and I won that case seven to zero. And as it was estimated that I save the state of Florida, $660 million. So, you know, it wasn’t that I couldn’t do that do the work. It’s that didn’t make my heart sing. When I chose to go back to school, and I’d love to study I’m a lifetime student. When I chose back to go back to school, my attorney friends, half of them thought I was nuts, to go from law to social work. The other half were envious. Because they weren’t necessarily doing what they wanted to do, but they felt like they were stuck. So, you know, sometimes you just have to make a bold move and be courageous and say, you know, this is my life and I’m, I’ve got to live it the way that I think I’m, I need to live it, even if you make a mistake. And it wasn’t a mistake,

Brandon Handley 30:20
not not Oh, you know. And of course, you know, my first my first thought is I will not for you, Tom. Right. I know. So it worked out for you. And, to your point, though, too. I think that even if it’s a mistake, I did a recent interview where, you know, we’re just trying to talk talk talking at the end of the interview and, and she was just talking about whatever it was, she’s doing, developing into, like, you know, being making a living, I’m like, Look, worst case scenarios, like you’re doing something that makes sense to you right now, to your point, you know, following the heart song, let’s talk a little bit about that. Because that is one of the topics in the book is the heart song. So, which, which I thought I thought spoke out nicely. I think it came in yet right underneath of. And I like that typography of potential, right. So let’s talk about a little bit of what is the typography of potential and the heartsong.

Thomas Capshew 31:17
Okay. First, I want to comment about a mistake, because a mistake is only a choice that you’ve made that you haven’t learned from yet. Once you learn from edit, it’s no longer a mistake. It’s, it was maybe a missed direction, but it adds to your, to your path. riddle me

Brandon Handley 31:43
this one. I’ve seen this. I’ve seen this a lot of times, and like I’m in the hardcore Personal Development Series, right? I just say hardcore Professional Development Series for these people that like, you know, you know, grind and hustle people, right? But the idea that a mistake made more than once is done on purpose, true or false?

Thomas Capshew 32:09
No, mistake made more than once is you haven’t learned yet. Got from ionic standpoint, we, we create circumstances over and over again to heal ourselves. And sometimes that circumstance will re wound us. But that’s part of our energetic move forward is to try to create the condition that will create the healing.

Brandon Handley 32:43
Yeah, no, thank thank you for that. I, like I said, that’s one that always kind of irritated me, right? Just like, you know, who are you to make you to make that claim, right to be like, well, you made that mistake more than once. That’s on purpose. What are you talking about? Right? Like, how can you be so like, that’s, anyways, anyways. So typography, potential heartsong, let’s say,

Thomas Capshew 33:04
yeah, typography of potential each one of us is born is created by love and comes into the world with a typography of potential. Just like a typography map, there are things that we will easily be good at, and things that we will have to work like hell to be good at. So there’s valleys in our topography of potential as well as hills or mountains. So a good example is comparing my basketball skills to LeBron James basketball skills. I was born with a valley in my typography of potential for basketball. LeBron James was born with a mountain. So absolutely, he’s worked his butt off to get where he is. But he started with the ability with a lot of potential that he just built on to make him such a phenomenal basketball player. I, I would never have gotten there, because I didn’t have that preset group of skills. I had other skills that you know, I’ve worked to develop. So each one of us has that topography of potential. And our work is to develop a deep enough relationship with ourselves so that we can know what what that typography is so that we can find what I call our heart song, which is our heart song is that one purpose that we are on the planet to fulfill. Oh, you know, for me, it’s working with people To live up to their potential, you know, that’s, and it’s taken me a while to come to that, understanding that that’s what I was put here to do. And so developing different skills that helped me to live that heart song, you know, over time, what we’ve what we’ve done with people, we’ve, we’ve, as a as a species, we have wasted so much human potential. In fact, all of us, every single one of us will die without actualizing all of our potential.

Brandon Handley 35:39
I mean, and just pause there for a second. I mean, is that necessarily a bad thing? Is, is that a good thing? or a bad thing? Right? And like, yeah, let’s say that, you know, you’re doing all you can to maximize who you are? Or is it more to the sense of, there is always something more and greater that you can accomplish? Right? And regardless, regardless, right, so, inevitably, yeah, well, we’re all gonna perish leaving something on the table. Right. Is that? Is that kind of the thought there?

Thomas Capshew 36:14
Yeah. And, you know, I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing. But what I’m saying is that the way we’ve built society, is we really don’t work at helping people develop their potential. We work at it our schools, work at developing people to work for other people, instead of to follow their own dream. And so you know, who’s, who’s the next? Yo, yo, ma in, you know, a low income area of Chicago that won’t even know that for the their whole life because no one introduced them to a cello.

Brandon Handley 37:09
Right? Yeah. No, no, that’s fair. That’s fair. Yeah, that was something you had on in the book as well. It was it was talking about, I guess, coming along your path or opening up to your heart song. Or it might it may have been another section. And of course, this folks may, just because we talked a little bit about saying, you know, things may look bad right now, but they’re actually good. Right. And one of the things for me, it is turned out? Well, in this related sense of the story of your book, we’ve had to pull our kids from the educational system, right. And we’ve been able to teach them at home. And I’m very excited about it, because I recognize that we’re not like crushing little souls. Right, or, or trying to morph them into, you know, the, the solid and industrial line workers, right. So, for me, it’s very exciting, right to, to be able to kind of break a shackle as it were, and to be able to, you know, we talk about coming back to ourselves, right, by coming back to ourselves, but a big part and this is my opinion, right? A part of us coming back to ourselves is because we’ve been layered and layered and things that we aren’t by by the social conditioning, right? So if you don’t get socially conditioned, right, then who do you have to come back to, then you have the opportunity to live out your whole life as who you’re supposed to be? Right?

Thomas Capshew 38:47
Right. So imagine a world where every newborn was seen as God as seen as a divine being with unlimited potential. And our job as caretakers for that newborn is to help them develop there in a potential what, what kind of world would we have within five years mean that just think of the transformation where people would all be doing, what they love and what they were meant to be? And, you know, everything. My My belief is that if when we live into that world, everybody is going to be doing their heart song, and everything’s going to be taken care of, I mean, Providence, you can I, I could be a janitor and be singing my heart song or I could, you know, decide that I’m going to figure out a way to convert you human excrement into energy for, you know, whatever, right? That the possibilities are endless if we start with the idea that as parents and as caregivers, were shepherding in higher consciousness, when a baby gets born,

Brandon Handley 40:27
I think it’s interesting to think of it that way, right? To just realize that that’s the consciousness expansion, kind of come right in behind you. And it’s, it’s your, your job or your goal or if you put effort into it, then you can help accelerate that expansion. Is that how you kind of look at it. So you also bring up the idea, and I thought this was pretty cool too. And it really kind of relates to, to the whole thing, but the tsunami of acceleration, right, or the tsunami of consciousness, and kind of what we’re doing here and consciousness rising, always share a little bit of that. And I’d love to hear, you know, have you share where you see that coming into play?

Thomas Capshew 41:14
Well, the, the tsunami is just the, the volume of consciousness that’s coming into the world. So if you think about it, 50 years ago, we didn’t have a word for domestic violence. We didn’t, we didn’t have a word for child abuse. Those were concepts that have come into existence in the last few years. We are, we are accelerating the recognition of trauma and of wounds, that then we begin to heal by raising our consciousness and recognizing the way that we can treat each other that is a win win for everybody. And so that, that tsunami is happening. The The downside is, we’re also in a tsunami of, of information. We have never, it humans have never had access to as much information as they’ve had in the last, you know, every every year it grows exponentially. And so, the problem with the access to information is that it it requires our brain to process the information, our brain is also designed to look for danger. And so that’s where fear comes from. And so, there’s so much information that anybody can access a limited amount of information and go to fear. And that’s what happened. That’s what’s happening in our society is, we’re getting siloed into different information flows that create fear of each other. And stead of going to our heart where we access our Creator and the love of the universe. And our heart is the place that when we live out of our heart, then we see the expansiveness and the way that we can all win and all get along and live into our potential and live our hearts song. So, you know, there’s a couple of tsunamis going on. One of them is pushing us toward fear and one of us is one of them is pushing us toward love. And the great thing about being human, probably the the one thing I’d say is the most. The bait, the best thing about being human is we have choice. We get to choose, choose love, choose fear. You know, fear is of the head. Love is of the heart.

Brandon Handley 44:36
I think that the power of choices is it’s recognized and it’s often on recognized, right? So it’s like for one once you recognize the power of choice, you’re you’re you’re astounded, right but until you realize just how powerful choices the word and meaning seems arbitrary right? You know, because, again, go back to the you know, we you feel like you made all your choices yourself, but really you just accepted everybody else’s choices for you. Right? And then and then at a certain point, you realize, yes, you accepted all their choices, but now you can start to see and turned your knobs and whatnot for yourself right to make your own conscious choices, right. with intention purpose, for those outcomes. One other term that you have in the book that I really enjoy, is the dominator consciousness been no, you know, to me, that’s kind of what we’re coming out of, if we choose to look at it that way. But could you share what what that what that what that means?

Thomas Capshew 45:47
Dominator consciousness is what we’ve been embedded in for 1000s of years. And it is the sense that it’s important to have power over other people versus power among. And so what what’s happened is we’ve bought into the idea that there’s a limit to power, and resources and love, and all of those things are limited, when in fact, they are not, they’re unlimited. If we access power from our Creator, there’s plenty of power for everybody. If we access resources from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. If we access love from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. So the dominator consciousness perpetuates itself by creating scarcity. And then selling that resource to people. So for example, land is is scarcity, you know, is there’s a certain amount of land available and, you know, if you live in Northern Virginia like I do, you’ve, you’re gonna pay a premium for a piece of land, if you live in the northern territories of Canada, that same size land would probably be, you know, a miniscule amount compared to what it is in Northern Virginia. So it’s creating scarcity and then saying, Okay, well, I’m going to have power over you by marshaling resource and then not sharing it with people. So power among is understanding that we all have capacity to access our source of power and love and resources. And when you do that, you become a manifester, yourself and you you bring into the world, the things that are needed, and with your co creating with the Creator.

Brandon Handley 48:23
Yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s the part where you really know where you release that scarcity, where you release, release that restriction on yourself, right? And you open yourself up to the possibilities, right? And therefore you know, you you are this kind of goes back to you now you’re making those conscious choices now you’re in alignment with who you are. Now you start singing your heart song, right? And and, you know, you begin to kind of let it all in

Unknown Speaker 48:51
what is

Brandon Handley 48:54
what is like one practical tool that you would give to somebody who’s on the journey today.

Thomas Capshew 49:01
The most useful, practical tool that I suggest is to develop a practice where you go to your heart, where you meditate, and you access what I call the temple of your heart or the Sacred Heart. And from that place, you can access the resources of the universe. And so developing a relationship with your your interior landscape, as I call it, is probably the best thing you can do to find your path forward. Because our mind is what keeps us engaged with the exterior world that we see. And we aren’t going to find our passion and purpose out there. We’ll get a lot of people that will tell us what they think it should be. But only when you access your heart. Can you hear that? Quiet whisper of your heart song. And that’s the only place in the in the world that no one else can go to. But you? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:22
Do you have I think I think I’ve seen some meditations that you offer. Do you have a meditation that would somebody could experience like this?

Thomas Capshew 50:32
I do. There’s a on my website, which is Thomas kept shoe.com there’s a free, choose love meditation that you can download. And in the last couple of months, I got a bunch of meditations put up on my, in my shop. They’re they’re really expensive, though. They’re 97 cents apiece.

Brandon Handley 50:59
Oh, breaking the bank.

Thomas Capshew 51:01
Yeah, right. So what I do, I do a particular kind of meditation called x asis meditation. And the purpose of the next asis meditation is to shut down your mind and shut down your body, so that your consciousness can expand and move out into what I call the sea of possibilities. And so next asis meditation takes you, it’s a guided meditation that takes you on a journey to a place where you become one with everything. And then I’ve got a series where you, then I lead you back on a level zero, the level one you, you go to the sea of possibilities and spend three minutes and then I lead you back. level two, you go for nine minutes, and then I bring you back. And level three, you go for 27 minutes, and then I bring you back. And so the purpose is to develop the skill to be aware in your consciousness without having your mind intervene. So it’s, it’s a, it’s a bit. It’s theta brainwaves for those of you that are more into the science. We’re right now in beta brainwaves. If you close your eyes and breathe down into your diaphragm, you’d go into alpha brainwaves, which is light relaxation. Theta brainwaves is four to eight hertz, and that’s deep relaxation. And that’s where, you know, you come up with a lot of creative ideas and stuff like that. And then delta brainwaves asleep. So that phasis meditations are designed to have you hit that theta brainwave range and move out into your consciousness and leave your mind and body behind for a given period of time.

Brandon Handley 53:19
It’s always nice to lead the body time. Always nicely the body so just real quick, who would you say your ideal like client is if you’ve got like an idea of that.

Thomas Capshew 53:29
Um, my ideal client is someone who is self reflective and who knows that they’re they’re a spiritual being having a human experience but often gets trapped in the human experience. And so you know, my job is to kind of help them tip that scale over to where they can live their life knowing that they’re a spiritual being and everything they experience as a human experience.

Brandon Handley 54:07
Awesome. So if your ideal client is listening right now they should go to find more of you at Thomas capture calm or where were they find you?

Thomas Capshew 54:19
Yeah, that Thomas capture calm. I have, they can click on a free 30 minute consultation. So we can chat about what their needs are and what skills I have and whether that’s a good, good match or not. I’d also like to offer a free ebook to your listeners. So if if you want a ebook of consciousness rising, then you can email me at free ebook at Thomas captured calm. So make sure you got three E’s in their free ebook At Thomas capture calm and I’ll send you a download for the book.

Brandon Handley 55:08
I know we didn’t like to talk too much specifically about the book, but it’s definitely it’s an enjoyable read. I think it’s effective. I think it’s practical. I think that you know, it’s very it’s, it’s almost like a spiritual lawyer wrote it. Alright, so Tom, I want to say thank you so much for spending some time on spiritual dope today. We really appreciate you being here. Thank you for I’m really actually interested in your spiritual warrior book. I think that sounds like fun. And thank you for sharing this book with me and sharing it with the world with the work that you’re doing.

Thomas Capshew 55:44
You’re welcome, Brandon. And I’m really grateful for you having me on and all the work you’re doing to move consciousness higher.

Brandon Handley 55:57
And that’s where we’ll stop Tom. So I appreciate you

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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Srikumar Rao Are You Ready to Succeed Chapter 02 02

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Brandon Handley 0:00
Hey, spiritual zope Welcome back to chapter two of a real of chapter two of Are you ready to succeed in a real, where we’re picking up from where we left off, we just got done learning, we just got done learning that your life is a reality. And we got done learning that it your problem may be that you think that this is the reality. And again, we kind of we wind unwind some of these mental models that we’ve created for ourselves, and the idea that we, we create all these things that are simply not real, right? These are just perceptions based off of what we think we know, and then driving it forward. So he comes in here as srikumar Rao says, Hey, you know, then Escape is possible. All right, Escape is possible. And he says, if your life is a reality, then perhaps you could shift it. And that’s awesome, right? So just knowing that there are multiple options, I mean, think about family guy and the multiverse, right? Maybe you can shift it or you know, think about any time travel, movie, even Back to the Future, we go go into a reality that is created based off of an action that was taken once upon a time, where it’s shifted the future, because you chose a reality. I mean, when you, we put it this way to, when you make your next move, when you take your next action, you have an outcome in mind. That’s, that’s the, that’s the reason why you take action on it. And sometimes, that action that you take, gives you the outcome that you were looking for, sometimes it doesn’t, right, so that you have multiple realities going forward. And the idea is, you can possibly shift it, right. So now the deal is, again, if it is the reality, then the life that you have now is the life that you will always have. And it’s going to turn out, you know, in a specific, three determined and destined way, right? There’s nothing you can do about it, suffer, just live it. And he illustrates this with a nice story. And again, I don’t feel like it’s a it’s really my place for to really go over the stories. So much, because I’ve given so much of the book away, that really drive these points home, I just really feel like, again, he does a really good job of pulling some of these stories together. So that he can help to illustrate these points that he’s created here. And again, I’ll go with the whole idea of you, you choose your reality, you know, you have the ability to choose a reality going forward. And it’s not necessarily the reality, how many times have you, you know, just kind of felt and thought some way, in any scenario, gone through life, you know, stomping your feet, you know, five years goes by next thing, you know, you have a conversation with a friend or the person or thing where you’re like, man, I thought that like, you know, when you did this thing, you know, you were such a jerk, or we did this thing, I thought that was so awesome. And they come back to you. And like, that’s not really how it was at all. Here’s what really happened and like, it causes like ripple effect to go to the past. Right? Because it has totally changed the storyline. Now the storyline is wholly changed based off of this new information going backwards. Right? So there there are multiple realities in that scenario. So let’s take a look at an alternate reality. And let’s also let’s let’s determine, you know, what is your most important asset? Perhaps it is your ability to be happy, to be fulfilled, to be choice? Would you give this asset to boss to somebody? Would you give this asset to anybody really? And the deal is, no, you wouldn’t. Why would Why would you give that asset away? Why would you give your ability to kind of be happy, on demand to be fulfilled, on demand to be joyous on demand. So why why put that in somebody else’s hands

Brandon Handley 5:00
And then the other. The other idea too is when somebody outside of us knowing you, somebody just you know, they’re making you frustrated, they’re their actions are, you know, kind of pissing you off? The idea is like when you’re annoyed, does that, does that poison your entire attitude? Why would you let somebody else outside of you? poison your attitude? And that and the deal is you’re giving your most valuable asset over to another, you’re letting somebody outside of you control how you feel. Think about that for a second, does that make any sense?

Brandon Handley 5:46
I mean, the answer is that it doesn’t really make any sense. So how then, how then can you avoid giving power over your happiness to someone else? That’s a that’s the real question that you you want to ask. And srikumar Rao says that when you ask yourself this question, and you truly wish to find the answer, then chances are you’re going to have a powerful breakthrough. So he says that you will slip into a parallel universe that has always been available to you, but you’ve never looked for it. Think about it, again. This this is if this is ringing true, then then you’ll know it right? This is this is ringing true. And you know that there’s a parallel universe has always been available, and you haven’t really looked for it, or you’ve begun to kind of slip in and out of it, then then it’s kind of like, Wow, I can’t believe this is in a book. Right. He also, this reminds me of a quote I saw yesterday to Anthony de Mello, who is, by the way featured inside of this book. And he has this quote, which is the spiritual quest is a journey without distance you travel from where you are right now, to where you’ve always been, from ignorance to recognition. Again, I think that really relates to this, what Sreekumar said here, you will slip into a parallel universe has always been available to you, but you never looked for it. Mm hmm. Each time, and these aren’t things, and a lot of this, I did not pick up on the first time I read through it. So it’s interesting, because, again, I didn’t I didn’t, I didn’t read, I’ve been through this three different, at least three different times, this being my fourth. And the way that I’m reading it, this time is 100%. Different than then how I’ve read it previously. So over the years, obviously, I’m going back and I’m, uh, I’m learning different things, you know, I’m seeing things differently than I had had before, because the current way of my thinking is different. So he goes through the exercise of an alternate reality. Ideally, you’re going to go through some of the ones that you created before, you’re going to go through some of, you know, exercise, mental models, you’re going to take a look at them, you’re going to go ahead and you’re going to revise You know, one of them or change something, and then you’re going to live that way, within a new mental model, as though

Unknown Speaker 8:48
it were real

Brandon Handley 8:51
knowing knowing that the mental models that that you have created already aren’t real. And that’s fundamental, you got to understand that the mental models that exist in your life now aren’t real. So why not create a new one? helpful hints on the exercise Ultimate Reality is a nice story to the Yeah, so it gives a he does give a nice story that essentially outlines that what happens when you accept blame for others attitudes, right? So say somebody is outside you and the they blame you for how they feel. We know that this isn’t true. We know this isn’t true. We talked about it already. We talked about the idea of, you know, giving giving your assets over someone else, letting someone outside of you dictate how you feel inside. Alright, so the same now can be said of somebody outside of you if they’re coming to you. And they’re saying hey, You’re You make me feel this way. And that’s, that’s on you, man, I got nothing, nothing to do with how you feel internally. All right. But he goes a cuter story than that. Again, I’m just, I want to leave some of those. There’s some of those that imagination, I can’t recommend this book. Enough, obviously, otherwise, I don’t think I’d be gone through these exercises. And I just say no, I’m going to post in the video of this outline that I’m reading through to and going through all here. So if you want to go through and check out the video and see somebody outlines for yourself, you can go ahead and check out the video on the webpage spiritual dope coat. And the closing quote from this book are from chapter two. Again, just another one, it’s just, I just didn’t read these like this. Historically, it’s so funny because it’s the same book on the same person on the outside. But, you know, whatever’s going on inside is totally different. And it’s reading things, taking in information totally differently. And I gotta tell you, I’m enjoying it. I’m enjoying it again. Every time I’ve gone through it, I’ve completely enjoyed it and each time so it’s like it keeps getting better. So the closing quote is your life is hemmed in by the things you know to be true, but aren’t. It’s time to start setting yourself Bree What is your mental model today? know that it’s not real. Know that you can change it at any time at will know that. Know that. You’re not beholden to it know that the story or the model that you’ve created. you invested so much time and effort into that if it’s not working for you anymore? King Stop it. Leave it is does it fit? Stop for you anymore? Maybe it serves you at one point. Maybe that model worked for you. Obviously His work has gotten you to this point. Maybe though it’s time to make a shift. Maybe it’s time to make an adjustment. Anyways, that is it for chapter two. It ain’t real have Are you ready to succeed a little bit of a deep dive on this. I hope that you’re enjoying these I hope that you check out this book for yourself at some point. If this is something that you’d like to get in on yourself and just participate with me on then and a couple of others then feel free to reach out to Brandon as spiritual dope.co Take it easy

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