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Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
One. Hey, there’s spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We’re giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He’s the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we’re gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34
Yeah, so I’m looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that’s happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There’s a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it’s because of a lot of things, but because our world, there’s so much going on, there’s so much information, there’s so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what’s going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we’re not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48
That’s cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49
So what do you what do you think that we’re not seeing right now? What’s like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58
Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we’re seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can’t trust we can’t put our faith in as someone who’s going to stand side by side with me to face what’s coming face, you know, the continued craziness that’s unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58
So I mean, it’s I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I’m hearing, right. And it’s allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we’re not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I’m kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26
Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we’re viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what’s going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you’re able to see kind of what’s really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24
So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it’s kind of like a, you just like you’re saying, There’s, there’s no, there’s no hiding from yourself. Right? There’s, there’s no, there’s no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you’re saying, like, you’re fully exposed, right, you’re fully exposed. And I think that what you’re saying is really important, too, right? You’ve got to have someone there, or there’s has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we’re gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there’s the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don’t have that, that space created for yourself. And you don’t have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you’ve illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn’t know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let’s talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don’t mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14
yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it’s more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you’re mentioning, I, I’m in this container of support. But it’s not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here’s this experience, you are traveling through it, you’re experiencing it. And it’s embodied that way. It’s not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I’ve grown, as I’ve developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let’s say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it’s something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that’s embodied. That’s not just someone telling you something. It’s you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24
For sure you use the word that I’m a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There’s this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What’s that? What’s that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you’re like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you’re like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it’s a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I’m guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there’s like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you’re feeling right, and then they’ve got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that’s well put. And I think that there’s a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can’t speak of, because there’s no words for it is it It feels like you’re connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you’re describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn’t have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it’s not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it’s just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it’s actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that’s greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you’re kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there’s something more here, and I’m through doing this work on myself, I’m healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it’s really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it’s not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that’s pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there’s this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you’re saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I’ve seen is a, you know, there’s this whole idea of, let’s get rid of the ego, right? But then there’s this whole, there’s also this other terminology like, well, I’m my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I’m good over here, bro. Like, I’ve reached a plateau. And you’re all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49
Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that’s an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that’s in that state. Again, it’s an ecstatic state. So you’re excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I’m gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That’s, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21
So, you know, let’s say again, let’s say I come to you for a session, right? What’s this? What’s that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I’m going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn’t have any integration. And so I don’t feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that’s right there. That’s a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you’ve had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it’s me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that’s a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you’re it’s kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you’re kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you’re going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I’m going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I’m not seeing right now what’s holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you’re kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it’s not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I’m gonna, you know, I’m going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there’s way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn’t get what I wanted. Because you’re gonna get I believe you’re gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06
For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that’s super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I’ve listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that’s going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you’re so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it’s not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you’re attached to, as you’re going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don’t do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I’m gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you’re in the right mental state and like, hey, if you’ve had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that’s a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you’re not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42
Yeah, that’s a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don’t ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you’re bringing up, if you’re in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you’re just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you’re not, you don’t have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I’m going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I’m going to turn to this thing that I’ve heard, cures depression that I’ve heard, you know, heals people, this. So I’m just gonna jump into this, when really, it’s much more nuanced than that. And it’s, and it’s quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I’m ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there’s a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there’s someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There’s other people there to support you, there’s this feeling that I’m participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that’s not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you’re going through this, just so you know, okay, I’m in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there’s not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don’t have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I’m having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it’s not just you flying out in space. And it’s maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they’re really young, and maybe it’s in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there’s, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don’t, I don’t knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it’s done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It’s It’s too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there’s not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35
100% Yeah, nothing you’re saying here that I disagree with. I’m not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I’m gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you’ve got like this indigenous setting, right? You’ve got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It’s quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there’s a support what you’re going through. And I think that that’s super important. I think that’s really awesome that you’re, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody’s first experience. I think a couple of things like when you’re younger, I don’t know that you really got the capability to speak, what you’re given in that experience, to the level that you’re delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you’ll take somebody on that’s this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03
Yeah, it to me, it doesn’t matter as long as again, the as long as you’re approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn’t matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan’s book, and you’re curious or if you’ve sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29
Should I be reading Michael’s book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32
I mean, I think it’s a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39
I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what’s your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who’s your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57
Yeah, again, anyone who’s curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41
guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55
An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59
That’s right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00
I don’t have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03
Yeah, I’m just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it’s it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn’t been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it’s just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where’s your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you’ve been trying to kick down, but you haven’t been able to, and all of a sudden, it’s like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it’s like you were saying earlier, it’s not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It’s this other thing. That’s way over here, you haven’t even considered, it’s been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It’s opened up, they’ve got you there with them, and they’re able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13
Perhaps I’m in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn’t be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you’re being seen? Do you feel like you’re being understood? Or do you feel like you’re kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there’s so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there’s more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we’ll continue to as we move forward, it’s not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It’s and it is, it’s, it’s something that you can’t explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It’s very, to me, it’s very reassuring. And I think it’s one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we’re heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20
100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that’s really, to me, I think that’s super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don’t want you saying that’s bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48
Yeah, yeah. So I’m kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it’s important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I’m, I’m constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46
No, no, 100%. That’s it. And there’s a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you’re doing is really important. I think that it’s pretty cool that you’re doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there’s this Renaissance, right, and there, you’re just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you’re like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they’re basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I’m gonna ask a question or two, let’s do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38
Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can’t externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can’t give our trust away lightly. Because it’s, you know, that’s one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38
That’s number one, that’s a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51
Would you say? Yeah, I, I that’s, that’s part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03
I think you would say we are all one. So I’m not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don’t buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15
Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it’s not lost. What it is, is not lost, it’s transformed. It’s turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don’t think anything’s lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27
I like it. I mean, it’s kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you’ve already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there’s never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it’s just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57
Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59
All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you’re doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you’re doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12
Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you’re resonating with anything I’m saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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Dr. Barbara Dalle Pezze is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Dr. Barbara is a leadership coach, international speaker, author, and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience. She inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose, and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book “The Unexpected Gift,” which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman’s journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career she is also the author of a new book “The UnexpectedGift,” which reveals the inspiring true-life story of one woman’s journey to self-discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage, and her experience of creating anew her life and career while navigating different culture… connect with Dr. Barbara at https://www.barbaradallepezze.com/

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Your journey has been an interesting one here, you’ve put in so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? Wonder? Why do people in general You’re so limited as friends sharing? You are not alone in the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside you can’t quite verbalize Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But you the answers to questions about you in the world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don’t have all the answers but we sure do love Living in the Time for another spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode. Either spiritual dope I

Brandon Handley 0:41
am on here today with Dr. Barbara dalla pet say she is a leadership coach, international speaker, author and seminar leader with over 18 years of global experience he inspires individuals, entrepreneurs, and leaders to reconnect with their most profound and authentic essence, discover their purpose and bring about positive change in their lives and in the world. She is also the author of a new book the unexpected get which reveals the inspiring true life story of one woman’s journey to self discovery and renewal after the implosion of her marriage and her experience of creating a new her life and career. Barbara, I think we are introduced from Tom Palladino, is that correct? Is that Tom Paladin that introduced us? That name doesn’t sound familiar. It doesn’t sound familiar. Nope. Well, are we connected? So I mean, doesn’t really matter, I guess at this point. Now, because we’re here, we’re together, and we’re having this conversation. So I always like to start this off with the idea right? That we are kind of conduits for source energy, right? universal source energy, God, whatever you want to call it, and that you and I are having this conversation? You and I will understand what we’re talking about maybe, right, you’re having a conversation, I’ve had one conversation, and you know, the person listening is going to pick up on something entirely different, there’s gonna be a communication that they’re gonna get, that can only be delivered through you. To them right now. What’s that message?

Dr Barbara 2:19
Hmm? Well, first of all, it is a feeling of gratitude for being here and having these opportunity to have this conversation with you. And whatever we are going to talk about, I’m sure the listener will find something that resonates with them. So that’s gratitude first. And then there is also in this moment that Zehra to contribute, to contribute. And I think that this is the best, at least for me, and in my experience, a great disposition to have when we when we start a conversation. So gratitude and a desire to contribute.

Brandon Handley 3:01
I love that the desire to contribute, a lot of people will stand back. Because they don’t feel like they have something that they can contribute. They don’t see what they have to offer as valuable enough, given the situation that they’re looking at, they may not think that they can have an impact. What do you say to that person?

Dr Barbara 3:23
Oh, no, I would say that we are so special. Each one of us we are so unique, so unique, that we always have something to contribute to actually I would also share that I was reading once I love to read about mistakes. And I was reading about the rays of Avila and also Katrina of CNN, they are two very important mistakes in the Middle Ages. And they were saying that we are so powerful. And we have so much to give that even when we intersect, just passers by a smile that we can give to them or even the way we look at them can change their lives. That’s how much we can contribute. So just passing by somebody, we impact their lives. And then if we take a chance, and want to share something that it is important to us, that becomes already such a powerful contribution because as you said at the beginning, you don’t know how the person who is listening to you is going to interpret and relate what you say to their life. So I think that we are a bundle of gift potential. And so and so it is always good to be able to offer a little bit of this bundle of gifts, potential to people that we intersect or they’re in our life for a moment for few days for years for a lifetime.

Brandon Handley 4:49
For sure for sure. So and I enjoy that. Take two pieces on that. First of all those mistakes are those both female mistakes. Yes. Yes. Like you know We don’t hear a whole lot about female mistakes. I know you spent some time in Asia, Asia pack, as we call it, right Asia, Pacific. And even in Buddhism, which we, Westerners like to think is like this big open, vast thing, like females really weren’t allowed to participate like at some of the higher levels. And therefore, like, you know, the reason we don’t hear about maybe some amazing Zen females is simply because they were kept out. Right. And same. And I think that the story is similar in mysticism. It regardless of kind of which which space you spend time in, is that what you found to be true for yourself? What were some of your findings, I guess, in in that space?

Dr Barbara 5:47
Actually, no, I never, I never thought about it in from that perspective, because as a matter of fact, several of the mystics that I read, I love to read biographies, they are female, and they are from the middle age. So probably they had a different rhythm. And life was slower, and they had time. And actually, there was also their calling to write, and to write books. And so we have quite a number of books that I know of female mystics, actually, their purpose was to contribute and give a little bit of their experience to other people that were living in the world, so to speak. And so they did have a chance to write their message and their experience and to share it with the world. And, and actually, I really enjoyed reading many of those female altars. Actually, maybe today would be different. Maybe what you’re saying for this century would be probably more more appropriate in the sense that yes, we might think in this way, but in relation to women that lived in the middle age, and they were monks, and nuns, they, they, they had the time to dedicate their life to writing and to write to people for people. I’m thinking while I’m talking to you, yeah. I never looked at it from that angle. But the middle lane, for sure, right. I

Brandon Handley 7:31
mean, and I just like I said, I know that you’ve also spent some time in Asia Pacific, and my guess would be you’ve been immersed in some of the Buddhist culture, right? Why? Why? Why you sat in there.

Dr Barbara 7:43
Um, I was in Asia Pacific, and in, in I was in Hong Kong, many years and in China, and then south of China, Mainland China, and Singapore, and there are very different philosophies of life and religion for there. So it was not that there was that feeling and that sense that we are all Buddhists and so that mystics atmosphere, actually, Hong Kong is a very, is the New York of Asia has been for so long, right? So you could experience certainly the different religions and philosophy of life. So read there, so. But I imagine that what you are thinking office more and mystical and meditative life, that in places like Beijing, or Hong Kong or Singapore, they are somehow a little bit on the backs backhand, of good experience. Not bad. Having said that, having said that, what is interesting is that in those places, there is kind of a thirst for spirituality. And so there are like, you can you can find those spaces within this big mega law place where you can experience a little bit of what you’re saying, but you do need to go in and look for it, because what pops up first, is the New York experience, I would say.

Brandon Handley 9:15
Sure, sure. Yeah, absolutely. You got it, you got to kind of you got to look, you got to be on the lookout for it. Right. That’s got to be something that you’re actually looking for. And then this idea of contribution, you get that sense of I get that I feel that you get that sense of contribution due to some of your upbringing. You want to share a little bit about that?

Dr Barbara 9:36
Well, I am originally from Italy. And so Italy is a Christian and Catholic countries for the majority at least, the rooted the culture is entrenched of Christianity and Catholicism, and it is an important value that contribute to the life of others. It is definitely a value there. My family as always taught me that and definitely For sure, I was brought up within that culture. Having said that the profession I am in, so the coaching profession and teaching and training, it is a profession that it is based on the desire to contribute and contribute profoundly to the lives of people that you’ve come into contact with. So, I would say that it is a big motivator in, in what I do, and in my life, the possibility of contribute, contribute to the growth of people to having people learning more about themselves, and how they can better leverage their resources inside of themselves in order to build and create a better life for themselves and the people around them, and if possible to the world at large. So, I think that contribution is one of the foundations of happiness, I would dare to say as well.

Brandon Handley 11:01
100% I absolutely agree. I personally feel like I contribute enough. Right. And when I do contribute, I get that sense of, of, of being a part of the greater sense of all the things, and that, um, I just feel better. I mean, you can’t really, there’s not a whole lot of great explanation for that. So what I was trying to hit on, I guess, sir, sorry, for not being clear was, I guess your family was active in the anti kidnapping piece. Right. So so so my guess would be again, you just kind of, and, you know, from checking out a couple of other podcasts, that that might have an impact on your desire to as well.

Dr Barbara 11:45
Yes, yeah. So yes, when I was, in my early 20s, a family friend was kidnapped by the mafia. And so my father in the community of our town decided to put together a movement that was the first and big anti kidnapping movement in in Italy. And they managed to, with a force with the help of the police and, and the government and everybody, they managed to get several people freed from this kidnapping. And I was late in AI in my early 20s, when this happened, and I had the the privilege, I would say, to really be surrounded by these and breathe into these and see the cooperation of the community and see the impact. And that something, a seed of goodness that you want to do together with anger for something that was wrong and was done, actually was able to create this movement all over Italy. And that, that generated in me the desire of contributing, I at the time, I didn’t even know yet what I was and how I would have contributed. But I knew and I felt that was too important. And so in every, every action I took since that moment onwards, I was looking for that feeling for the sensation for that. I was following that desire, I wanted to contribute, as I have experienced my father, and two people off my town did in a very crucial moment in life of our friends, because they were family friends. And and that stayed with me, and it is still there with me. Because it is effective, it is powerful. And when people are you really United for for something good, and to achieve something good. What can be achieved is immense. And so that definitely was an experience that shaped who I am and how I live my life in the world, actually. Yeah, that was very powerful, actually.

Brandon Handley 13:57
Yeah, 100%. Right. I mean, that that carry that’s, that’s the seed right from from a new to continue to to look for contribution. And that to me, again, that’s would be why that is so important to you, right, having seen that having the effects of it and having been a part of it. Yeah, we know what that feels like. Right. And you know what it looks like to gather these people together to do some good.

Dr Barbara 14:24
Yeah. And also, I would also add that I could witness how easy it becomes when people get together to achieve the same goal. Things simply flow. Of course, you do need to do your part, you need to put in action, lava things, but once all those things are in place, then then the situation moves and moves forward and forces and resources are found and everything seems to flow so smoothly, to achieve that goal. I know Of course, behind that smoothness, there is the willingness and the passion and heart of many people. So there was there was a great lesson. And I was, I’m very grateful that I had that experience. Of course, while I was experiencing that, there were people that were suffering more, because of course, those whose sons or daughters or relatives were kidnapped, of course, that was very painful for them. And in any painful experience, there is, again, somebody that is learning something, and even the, the life of this little girl that was kidnapped has contributed so much to who I am today and my life today, back to what we were saying at the beginning, for those who think that they might not have anything to give or to share, right. So even if you don’t know, you are contributing so much to the life of others. So that’s probably something that we want to remember. And keep in mind very often,

Brandon Handley 16:05
the just the very little things that we can do, and just even a small amount of contact time can have a lasting impression and a long term effect on somebody. Absolutely. Right. Absolutely. Let’s talk about what you’ve got your doctorate and right, so doctor of ontology if if I if I’ve done my research, okay? And why don’t you go ahead and share with the audience what that study of if they’re not familiar,

Dr Barbara 16:34
yes. So, when we say ontology, we are thinking philosophy, it is within the realm of philosophy, and it is the part of philosophy that studies being so the structure of being and therefore, in my particular case, the take I, I had on that was the how how, what are the structures of the human being according to the philosophical perspective? How do we work? How are we in the world? How do we connect? How do we relate with what is in the world. And that is a very interesting, interesting insight, because philosophy goes deep. And so it my experience, while doing this PhD, was really allowing myself and my brain and my reasoning tool paths that add that I never, never explored, until I could literally feel my brain opening up new neural pathways, because I was the thinking in ways, of course, led by these philosophers, thinking in ways that normally we are not stimulated in thinking. So thinking about how, who are we in the world, what we represent, what we do, when we actually leave, how do we interact, what we are actually interacting with, who is the other person in front of you, and all these elements that I found very, very fascinating. And I, I found them essential, because before studying philosophy, I studied, I said, I started another field of study, I studied architecture for a couple of years. But, and I liked it kind of, but the reason I changed eventually for philosophy is because I realized that I needed to learn more about not how to build buildings and homes where people live in, and how they are structured and how they are, what are the material that constitute those things? How do you put them together and create? Well, I was studying that I was, I was actually thinking, Wait a minute, do I know about the human beings that are going to inhabit this building? Do I know what they are made of? How do they work, what they are about? And I realized that I was more interested in learning about human beings, and then how to build them at home. And so I changed and then my path took me to old way to do this. In Depth research in my PhD on ontology,

Brandon Handley 19:19
I think it’s pretty entertaining, how you went from, you know, this external structure, right? How are the How are these external structures made? And how are they impact coming from the outside in, and you’re like, Wait a second, I want to go to the internal structure, but I want to go see how this structure is laid out internally, and work my way from the inside out. Right? And that’s, you know, just my my brief perception of kind of your lifelong journey, I’ll synopsis into all that. Right, but the idea to so who were you know, these these philosophers I have two questions. Is it? Is this ontology more of a Western study? Is it Eastern and Western, and then he’ll maybe who were a couple of the truly essential ones, or who were the ones that had the greatest impact on you.

Dr Barbara 20:17
So, the two there is one philosopher that particularly impacted my life, which is Martin Heidegger and which is the philosophy German philosopher, 20th century German philosopher, and my PhD is on his philosophy. And Meister Eckert, which is a German mystics, and I put the two of them in dialogue on the concept of abandonment, in German Gal hessonite. And, and their perspective and the way I elaborated their concept of abandonment, which is actually a concept of let go and be open to life, ended up meeting with Chinese philosophy at the end, that would have been the continuation of my research, right. But it was very interesting to see how the West meets East actually in in the way of thinking through philosophy, mysticism, and we ended up encountering also a China. So that was quite, quite interesting. So Martin Heidegger would say, and must Meister echoed.

Brandon Handley 21:32
And I think that it’s also interesting that, you know, you’ve got this, you know, the let go and meeting with life, right? Because your book has to do with, I would say something similar, you know, you went through, you felt like you were in a decent part in your life, a good part, coming up to a flourishing part. And then next thing, you know, your husband’s like, hey, let’s get a divorce. And meanwhile, you’re like, you’re my first guest is like, initially you’re holding on for dear life, you’re like, no, this isn’t how this is gonna work, at least mentally internally, like, No, no, no, no, no, everything’s great. But like, now, you’re at a point where you let go, you use that material to grow yourself, and you shared some of that material in this book. Let’s talk a little bit about the book and, and some of the materials that you shared, what you found in there.

Dr Barbara 22:26
Yeah, well, first of all, the paradox was that when I finished my PhD and my a marriage and imploded, Akshay just finished a doctorate on letting go. And here it is, I am immediately asked to experience that let go deeply and profoundly and I would say completely, so, that was quite radical and brutal as an experience also, because as you said, it was out of the blue and it was definitely not what I wanted. And it was the book, which is the unexpected gift, everything was unexpected, to the end, which is the unexpected gifts. So the path the process and, and the ending, if you can see that there is an ending, it is the story of my years 15 years experience in Asia, actually, Asia, Australia and Singapore. And and it starts with it is triggered by my marriage and the breakup of the marriage. But in fact, it becomes a story of how do you discover yourself So, I thought I knew myself I thought I had my what my life figured it out, I had my values, I had my purpose. And suddenly this out of the blue element completely destroyed everything and so, I had to find again who I am, what am I standing for? What do I want? What does my life look like now because what happened basically destroyed all the narratives and the paradigms I was used to consider valid and that what was that they were actually at the foundations of who I was and of my life. So, it was, it was like really suddenly find yourself in the desert inside and out. And having to to figure out what what do I do now? What do I plant? How do I water the soil? How do I move forward, there is desert in front of me. Everything is gone behind me. So what do you do? Where do you start? and ended the book is the stories of my journey and so all the inner steps and outer step. I talk to rebuild, recreate and reef reconnect with myself and the new life that was waiting me in in the future and that clearly wanted to me But it needed some digging, and some experience, it was quite intense. And while I was going through this, I was looking for books that would tell me that it would have been arrived that it is possible that there is a life after these. And I could not find any. And so I decided, you know what, let me write down few of these things that I’m experiencing. And until I reached a point where I decided, Okay, let’s do a book, let’s write a book, because I want to speak from the future. And now I consider that my book speaks from the future because I went through that, and I’m here with Andy’s is the future. So for people that are in this traumatic situation, vinit, the divorce Bennett challenges that have nothing to do with divorce, but they challenge who you are, and your worth, and what you stand for, they can see that there is a way and mind when I write in the book is, it’s been what I have found that worked. And so I wanted to share, and I wanted to give my contribution on these as well.

Brandon Handley 26:09
all comes back to contribution, doesn’t it? So what I think is great is is what you’re saying, we identify ourselves so much with the relationship that we have, especially with this significant other because we’re building a life together, right? You’re building this life together, we’ve got this kind of we’ve got this, we’ve got this picture, scoped out, or futures scoped out, in one way or another. And then when this disruption comes, that whole thing just dissolves, falls away, falls apart. And now really, you start the questioning your own identity, like, Wait a second, how did I miss this whole thing up? Right? And then we start blaming ourselves, right? Again, like, I don’t know, if he’s, like, I know, I’d be like, I’m like, how did I mess this whole thing up? Where did I? Where did I? Where should I have made a left? Right? And or is this just our past, right? Is this just our path? And now you’ve got to Colton, you know, you’re talking about this, you’re, you’re in the desert, and it sounds like you’ve got to cultivate a new sense of self.

Dr Barbara 27:16
You have to cultivate a new sense of self and new sense of what’s possible. And, and a new sense of responsibility, because I, I, my former my ex husband kept saying, Oh, you did nothing wrong, it is me. But I wanted to have done something wrong. Because if I had done something wrong, then I could do better next time. Right? Right,

Brandon Handley 27:39
I’m gonna need I’m gonna need a 360 feedback on this thing. Everybody in who else was there?

Dr Barbara 27:48
Exactly. I get you. Exactly. Yeah. And then you figure out what you want to, you do need to think really outside the box, do you did not even realize you were in and, and you define your way of imagining your future? Beyond the narratives you have always

Brandon Handley 28:08
thought of? I want to stop there for a second, right? Because I mean, you know, you bring up like this box that you didn’t even know you were in just talking about our own limited senses of self, right, our own limited senses, it stops here stops with this story that we’ve been telling ourselves. Right? Yeah, the end the relationship. And, and just to just to kind of continue in this whole idea, right, like, so. ontology contribution, you know, taking this relationship that you’ve gone through, and you’re, you know, you’re deeply, you know, mysticism, studying I akhar. And and on these mystics, and this philosophy, and you’re a coach for the business world, right. And I think that sentence pairs really well with the idea of what spiritual dope is about it’s about how do we how do we merge those two? Right? How do we take all this? You know, the spiritual sense of well being these these maybe ideal philosophies? And, and how do we apply it to the real world? And I want us back to the beginning here, because it was that sense of contribution. And you were talking about what it’s like to get everybody together, right? When you’re for for the kidnapping group, right? And how that all work. To me what you were saying there, pairs so easily and readily to the business world, right to to corporate culture, because if you can get everybody to buy into the vision, we can get everybody to say, Hey, I’m contributing, I’m doing my part. I do have something to contribute, and I can see what the vision is. I mean, a pair so is that Yeah, same.

Dr Barbara 29:47
For the work I do the leadership work I do and I do on a global scale and the level of depth at which I’m in, I need my clients is such that I made them in their humanity. And so that’s in the fact that they before being managers, directors, CEOs, talent said before that everybody is a human being. And once you have an end and discovered and unleash, what is this humaneness, then then there is no job to be done anymore in dissent. And then people are free to really express fully their talents. And we all have so many talents. But we need to be able to free them to see them first and then real, release them. And so what I do, and how do we bring together mysticism ontology philosophy into the business world. And to tell you the truth, while I was going through this situation, I also was leading a research cluster on philosophy, therapy and medicine, and I was researching on pain and suffering. And right then and there working with the oncology department of the hospital, I was finding elements that I was in Hong Kong that I thought they were so important to be brought into the business world. And so I bridged that those worlds as well. So the medicine and pain and suffering into Corporation and into finance. And again, because people in the work, they suffer, they have conflict, they are experiencing deep, profound suffering, sometimes, and sometimes very often. Right. And so approaching my clients, making sure that inner conflicts and the suffering that is not expressed is actually resolved and transformed as what freedom to be the extraordinary leaders or managers are team members that they they need to be in corporations in order for corporations to thrive. And so the way I work, I work at the core of humaneness, and that doesn’t matter, right? If you are in a corporation, if you are a lawyer, if you are a mom, if you are podcaster, doesn’t really matter, you You are a human being. And that’s where we want to work because the resources to stronger resources aren’t there, the technicalities of how to be a in finance, how to be a salesperson, how to be a stock broker, that you learn, those are techniques, and you choose to learn them, right. But first, I work on day, humanity. And I invest in human capital, that that’s what I do. And so, philosophy pertains to human capital, Mr. System pertains to human capital, all these arts pertains to Human Capital One. So that’s the level at which I work. And also, that’s also why my experience which starts from a divorce, it is a leadership experience, right? Your life experiencing is your leadership experience. And the in the book, there are foundations of these leadership just because you learn how to lead and lead yourself first, at the best boss in the best possible way,

Brandon Handley 33:18
for sure, for sure, give me a I’m really curious to hear the suffering that is not expressed. How, what is something that you do? some exercises, what is do you find you find you find the financial guy, he’s suffering? He’s not expressing it? How do we how do we help them to express it? What So what are some tools What are some ways that we can help in that space,

Dr Barbara 33:45
I can get share an example. When you find and maybe you don’t need to be a coach to notice this, but when maybe you have a friend or if you think about somebody that keeps complain about something, and he’s very animated and complaining about something and and he’s angry about it, that hides behind it to me as a coach, when I hear you complaining so much, there is some some pain and suffering behind that. So, first of all, I need you to become aware that this is something that you are not expressing in the best possible way for you because when I complain about something, I am giving away my power. So what I do I help you to see first of all that you are giving away your power I we look into what is it that you are complaining about that? And what is it to you? What is it that you really mean to say and this is from a cognitive perspective first, but then it is also expressing emotionally because cognitively you can say millions of things and yet you keep complaining and keep being angry. And so you’re not really expression, pain and suffering and it is an emotional experience, right? So you need to let your emotions free That’s why we use body work. When I do work on these you use your body to express to your body, I use the voice. So singing, and being able to find really the sound of your voice deep sound, deeper sound, and be able to express it in a in a loud voice for a strong tone. Because that’s scary, and that is liberating at the same time, but we are not used to express who we are even in suffering so deep inside, so I kind of help my client in this example, first realize that there is some suffering that he is he or she is expressing through complaining in this example, right? And then we go and look behind that. So what is it that actually hurt you and that you are complaining about and often it is not really what they are complaining about? It’s something deeper, and that’s where the work then started, okay, let’s express it with movement, let’s express it with the voice. And then once that is released, and therefore, the person does not have a block anymore, then we can start working. And that’s when the liberation and the expression transforms into something that it is okay, now, what do I actually want to build? What do I want myself to be what I want my profession, what I want me my life to be? Or how do I want to show up at work instead? So it is a matter of unpacking first? So

Brandon Handley 36:32
does it make sense? It does make sense, right? I’ve got two, two kind of reflections on that. And I’m always reminded, I think it was like, I’m sure somebody said it beforehand. But there’s a jack Canfield line that talks about when when you complain, if you’re not complaining to the person that can do something about it, it’s kind of worthless, right? Like, complain to the person that can help you, you know, do something about it, otherwise, you’re just doing kind of what you said, You’re, you’re you’re feeling this frustration, this anger this, whatever. And, and it’s this feeling that you carry around with you. And there’s really no doesn’t no value in that, right. And then the second part, to me is the way that you’re talking, it’s almost like it’s almost like a knotted muscle, right? When you complain, it’s like a kind of like a nod and muscle that until you’re you know, you can release that you’ve got a whole bunch of energy caught up in that until you release it, then then you can’t really do anything, right. It’s kind of useless.

Dr Barbara 37:30
Yeah, yeah. And And oftentimes, it has happened to me that, again, moving from the inside to the from the outside to the inside, what needs to be released is has nothing to do with what the person is complaining about. Right? It is more a desire to be maybe just a just aligned, I need to be aligned with my value and what I am doing the work I am doing, the way I’m relating to these clients or to the board is not aligned with who I actually feel I am. And so the work is okay. So how do you evolve so that you can be in the same board meeting, and not feeling this conflict, but being aligned within yourself, your purpose, your mission and expressing it to the board, so that you actually help the organization to move forward and you are not always have involved in this inner fight and in this inner conflict. So that that is what often has happened to me in my in my coaching?

Brandon Handley 38:37
Yeah, for sure. Whatever, whatever that person is focused on is really keeping them from being their best, right? I mean, that’s just kind of what it boils down to, even if it’s not directly related to, again, you’re you removed this blockage over here, and you can redirect all that energy into the thing that you’re really trying to do. Yeah. Always look at the even the word coach, right? And I always think of coaxing right, as a coach all, you know, all what you’re trying to do is really coax the best of that person out of them so they can see it for themselves and they can carry it on forward. Would you say that?

Dr Barbara 39:11
I would say that I like to think of myself as a sponsor. When I say quote, I am a sponsor, what does it mean, for me is that I can, I can notice your potential that is an expressed, I can notice your talents, I can notice where you need to be set free. And I help you to I believe in you, I trust you and I help you to actually be free to express fully yourself and to improve who you are and to actually be who you are. That is my job. It is like a gate opener. So but again, opener that trust and belief strongly knew and what you can achieve. So it is really from where I stand is a position where you Hold a space for the other person to express fully. And not only that, but you can see further than the person itself himself or herself, you can help them see what they what they are not seeing. And you can at least you can point them towards something that they are not noticing about themselves that can that is a talent that is a resource. And so that they can actually become aware and leverage that and integrate that in, in who they are and the way they conduct themselves. So coaching, as sponsoring really knew your talents, your resources, your potentials, and what you can be and achieve.

Brandon Handley 40:43
Do you make them t shirts, like little sponsor t shirts? I feel like you should I feel like you should sponsor by sponsor. Yeah, that could be a good idea. It’d be fun one right for for at least client gifts frayed. whatever it is they’re into. I like the idea of being a sponsor. And I think that definitely resonates. And I like the approach there. So we’re at this kind of point, right? That, unless there’s anything else that you feel like you want to cover, I’m going to go ahead and ask a couple questions for you. Please go ahead. Right, right. So I got, like I said, spiritual speed dating right at the back end of this, you know, so most of the people that are tuning in there, they’re seekers, they’re, they’re looking for that just exactly that, how can they express what’s inside of them outside authentically in alignment, just want a lot of ways that you’ve been speaking about. So some ways that they may be able to figure it out is by these questions? is Barbara right for you? So let’s see his current religion serving its purpose, Barbara.

Dr Barbara 41:47
When we say religion, what are we thinking about? monetary stick religion? So the big one, the top three, the top three, okay, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? are they serving their purpose? I think that there are many people that find in religion, a great tool for them to live a better life feel better, and be a better human being. So I think for many people they do. I believe that religions could do a little bit better, as we all good in terms of speed up a little bit, their evolution, in order to embrace some challenges that today are here and maybe when the religions were born, they were not there. But I would say that overall, they keep been very useful, especially for people that have based their lives on religions.

Brandon Handley 42:51
Like that was one or you feel like they could evolve faster as

Dr Barbara 42:55
well, for example, and I’m thinking about Chris Catholicism in particular, because that’s where I come from, I believe that there is a role that women are is are not given and are not taken, that I think the church need to open up to

Brandon Handley 43:15
understand a female Pope.

Dr Barbara 43:18
I don’t know if I mean, I don’t know. I don’t know if I would go to the pope immediately, because it probably will take a little bit and but before getting to the Pope, but yeah, I I think that there are roles within the Catholic Church that that needs women more than men. Maybe before for 24 2000 years, there have been always men in those positions. So I think that women, the church would benefit from a president of more women.

Brandon Handley 43:55
Yeah, I think that’s fair. I think that’s fair. As you know, so this is your study space, right? This is this to me, it’s me. This is in in your wheelhouse. What is the greatest quality humans possess?

Dr Barbara 44:10
The greatest quality humans possess? Wow, we have many. I would say that maybe the curiosity. Curiosity is is a I don’t know if it is the greatest but it is a great quality that now we need, especially because we are faced with so much diversity. And so unless we are curious to understand and learn about diversity, we are not moving forward as a community, a global community. So maybe a quality that I think is important that it is great right now is curiosity.

Brandon Handley 44:51
So sounds like Yes, that sounds like that’s something that can be cultivated a little bit more and be something that Most humans could apply more often, and we could improve. Absolutely. That’s awesome. So listen, Dr. Barbara, I’ve enjoyed this. Thanks for coming on today. Where should people, first of all, like, who would you say is your ideal client? Like, let’s say somebody listening in today, you know, who do you think should be reaching out to you?

Dr Barbara 45:21
I think it are people that went through important challenges in their life, burn it in their personal life in it in their professional life, and they feel that they have reached their a glass ceiling. And they cannot see what’s possible next, and how to reach the next level and how to break through and tap into more resources that they have. So when they are in that point, then they call me because I partner with them. And I really accompany them to reach their full potential and create their purpose, find their purpose, maybe they have, they are already successful, they have achieved a lot. And they ask them so Okay, so now what have money, I have a status, I have a family. And maybe I’m 45. So what’s what’s, what’s next? What is next? So that’s when I when I come in?

Brandon Handley 46:18
That’s when they get sponsored by Barbara. So yeah, they get a T shirt, they get a T shirt. And then I like that too, that you’re saying more resources. And but when you’re saying more resources, it sounds to me like you’re saying these innate resources that you help them to discover yes and apply for themselves. That’s fantastic.

Dr Barbara 46:38
Which by the way, they are inner resources, then then they they turn out to become outer resources, because when they inner resources are ignited, then we find ways to get outside resources Russian,

Brandon Handley 46:51
right, like full on expression, you know? Where should we send people to come find out more about you and work and get they get your book.

Dr Barbara 47:02
My book, they can get it on amazon.com both in Kindle and paperback version. And I think the easiest way to find me is on LinkedIn. I am quite active on LinkedIn recently. And also on my website, which is just my name, www dot Barbara, Gala. pets.com. Nobody will remember bad or remember.

Brandon Handley 47:25
I will have we’ll have we’ll have a link there at least and so they won’t have to remember it. That’s what the internet’s for. Short term memory. Barbara, thank you so much for showing up today. I appreciate the conversation. love what you’re doing. I love your story, kind of how you got there, the journey and how you are expressing yourself. So thank you.

Dr Barbara 47:45
Thank you so much for having me here. Brandon. It was really, really a great honor to have this conversation with you. So thank you so much.

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It was great to sit down with the author of “Sight Beyond Sight“, Raine Dalyrmple as we cover many different grounds on spirituality!

Have you ever thought that you had a particular motive when you were born? Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing your daily chores, but something feels empty and left out? People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you can so much more; you just have to realise it.

In this episode, we are joined by Raine where she talks about his experience with consciousness and the more significant sources.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways consciousness can affect your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of the more significant source or, as everyone calls it, ‘God.’
  3. Learn the significance of practising consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Raine has spent about two decades in the education and teaching department in different genres.
  • We are all evolving every day, and hence what we were yesterday might not be what we are today.
  • To believe is the biggest thing you can do, not only for you but also for the people in your lives.

[04:04] Believing 

  • It doesn’t matter what phase you come from or what religion you practise; we’re not alone.
  • The source is the supernatural superpower that helps us live a better quality of life. 

[07:04] Role of Consciousness 

  • Consciousness is the ability to be able to comprehend what is going around us entirely.
  • Raine talks about how she realised her abilities from her trauma in her 20s.
  • She describes the concept of the threefold plane.

[14:50] Paranormal Experiences

  • Experiences that defy logic.
  • She tells the story of her experience with angels from when she was pregnant with her daughter.
  • She also talks about the visions she experienced from the source, which eventually lead to them being an inspiration for her book.

[19:32] Merging Worlds

  • Raine talks about how it wasn’t her goal to get here, but now it brings her gratitude, realising where she is. 
  • You get what you ask for.
  • When you start incorporating it into your life, you start relating to other people more.

[26:44] Books and Courses

  • She started writing about nine years ago.
  • You have to understand the barriers, the blocks and become a better person through realisation. 
  • If you work towards something without eminent pressure, you will be able to do it.
  • The book walks you through different aspects of life and makes you realise things.
  • To be human, we need that interaction with people. This is what Raine achieves in her different programs. 
  • She explains the practical experiences given in her book. 

About Raine

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right. Okay, ready? 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope on here today. We’ve got a very special guests. We’ve got rain Dalrymple. Let’s get right to it, right

Raine Dalrymple 0:15
certainly did.

Brandon Handley 0:16
Yeah, good, good. It’s just got a it’s got a spelling. It was confused me rain. And so thank you for I butchered quite a few names coming on.

Raine Dalrymple 0:26
Well, often what I often what I’ll do is in you’ll notice in my book, I just write rainbow, because it’s way easier to me.

Brandon Handley 0:35
What’s the what’s the origin of that last name? Like? What’s, uh,

Unknown Speaker 0:38
what was it?

Raine Dalrymple 0:39
I believe it’s some Scottish and I think there’s some English and French in there. Okay. Okay.

Brandon Handley 0:46
Good to know, good to know. So rain, you and I, you know, you’re an author, you’re a teacher, your your number of things, but like, you know, if you know, for this podcast, what would you tell people? Who How would you describe yourself? You know,

Raine Dalrymple 1:01
I would say that, you know, I spent a little over two decades in education and in the helping profession working with all genres, like persons with disabilities, daycares, ex offenders, women, men, there isn’t really, you know, any genre I haven’t worked with, I don’t I don’t think. Um, and so now, I’ve taken all of that information and that growth on a professional level, as well as my own personal growth in my own life experiences. And I’ve pulled that all together. So I would basically say that I’m, you know, an author, content creator, visionary. But that’s good for now. There’s lots in there and intuitive.

Brandon Handley 1:51
For sure. I love it. I love it. Thanks. It’s a sometimes like, sometimes the BIOS that, you know, we share back and forth, they don’t really catch the essence of who you really are, like all the time, right, that they read well, for sometimes, like, Who are you really? Right. And I actually

Raine Dalrymple 2:09
did tell you the truth, I hate writing them, because it’s like, Okay, how much do I say I do? And how much do I leave out? Because it can tend to go on and be dry? And you’re like, sure. Yeah, you just you don’t want to hear all of that. Right?

Brandon Handley 2:24
It all It all depends, like I said, when it’s in when it’s in writing, it’s I think you can take it in a little bit faster to write and then like, when you when, you know, how can you be concise enough to just deliver the essence of who reign is right.

Raine Dalrymple 2:38
So thank you. Yeah, for sure. And we’re all we’re all, you know, we’re in this evolution. You know, we’re maturing, and we’re growing in everything we do every day. Right. So what we were yesterday, we may be something different tomorrow. So yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:54
absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. So like to start these off with the whole idea. You said, you know, you’re an intuitive. And, you know, you’ve seen angels, and so you’re no stranger to kind of opening yourself up and connecting to source. And I’m going to ask you to do that to share a message right now to a listener that could only come through you today, right now, in this moment through source, what’s that message? Say? Right?

Raine Dalrymple 3:27
I’d say the message would be to believe that would be the biggest thing that you can do, not only for yourself, but for the people in your lives. And and also for for the angels and, and the universal source that exists.

Brandon Handley 3:48
So to what and so if I believe in that, and for myself, I like that. And for for the people, right? How does that extend to two people?

Raine Dalrymple 4:03
Well, really, what it’s saying is that it doesn’t matter. You know, what faith you come from what religion you believe in? And then let me just say they’re in the benevolent realms. Not in the malicious for humps, although it is all energy. It’s all the same energy, energy is energy and it’s alive. But what we really want to understand in our own awareness is that we’re not alone, right? We’re not here alone. We’re not even when we are alone. We’re say living in our apartment by ourselves. We’re never truly alone. Because we have source which is God’s source, the divine, whatever you want to call it. I mean, again, those are labels, right? And we’re language people, right? So we have to attach some kind of a word to it. But source is source and source is an energy. That is the superpower is a super conscious power source. And so when we tap into that, we come to understand and learn what the role of consciousness is, and how it can function in our lives to help us to live a better quality life.

Brandon Handley 5:23
Now, you know, a lot of good things in there, right? Obviously, right? You hit on, especially the benevolent realms, right? Just trying to see what kind of good source can bring to us, right. And especially if we believe in source as being benevolent, we can do that for ourselves and for others. The idea of not being here alone, just as you spoke about not only being connected to source but you know, potentially angels or other others, right. Always, always interesting to hear that we, as humans, can only see like less than 1% of natural light anyways, or the full spectrum. So there’s 99.99% that we’re missing out on. And he hit on to like, what is the role of consciousness was, you know, I know that this is something that’s, you know, going to be big for you, in your book and sight Beyond Sight? Is, is consciousness, how would you? How would you? What would you say consciousness is because I’ll just give you kind of like, where I get twisted, I still get twisted on it, right? Like, I’m always like, consciousness of of what right? Like I’m, when I’m conscious of something, I’m aware of something. And what that something is, can be any number of things. But then when we refer to you and I, in this conversation, consciousness, we’re speaking of this greater consciousness, this collective consciousness, what are what are we saying? or What are you saying? And when you say,

Raine Dalrymple 7:02
well, consciousness is the ability to be able to see that there is more to us than you touched on it. You talked about the human condition, right? In a sense, you said, our humanity. So yeah, we can go about our day, and we can live our day, no problem, without being fully conscious that there’s something more out there than what we’re seeing, because we have to remember that we’re living in the 3d world, which is we, we believe in what we see, right? We see the table in front of us, we see everything in the materialistic world. And so that’s what 3d basically is, it’s living in that cerebral world, of like our left brain perspective. So you know, strategy, logical, that sort of thing. When we’re talking about consciousness and becoming awakened to it. Now we’re starting to see more than what’s in front of us more than just the table in front of us more than the room that we’re able to see in a spiritual realm. And we’re able to hear, feel, see, and sense spirit, right. So it’s all about when we are able to do that, first of all, we want to become aware of it, and we become aware of it. being introduced to it in a lot of ways, some people are introduced to it, you know, by attending a church revival, some people are introduced to it by sitting in a sweat at a sweat lodge, some people are introduced to it by, you know, just surviving, surviving a vehicle accident. There’s a lot of ways that were introduced to it. Some people are born with that psychic intuition. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. And your listeners have heard of people talk, you know, Sylvia Browne, and, you know, those sorts of people that said, they always knew since they were three or four years old, and they were getting messages. My my recollection, didn’t, I didn’t really start feeling that happening for me until my 20s. And I, you know, I talked about that.

Brandon Handley 9:21
Yeah, I think in your story, right. You mentioned though, that you had something occur when you were younger, but you didn’t recognize Yeah, till later in life. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Because, as you’re as you’re talking about the introduction to it, right,

Raine Dalrymple 9:37
yeah. I didn’t go. I didn’t go deeply into a lot of the trauma that I experienced in my life in the book because that wasn’t the object of the book. I do talk about trauma. I do talk about difficult times, but I always want to bring that back around to Okay, yeah, that happen. Shit happens, but how can we fix it? What can we do to Change that what can we do to change those blueprints that happened to us, you know, in those childhood years, or if say, you know, a woman is, you know, raped when she’s, you know, going out to her car in the grocery parking lot or, you know, like we you know, there’s things that happen in life that are not very nice in there pretty ugly. So what happened to me when I was about five, I had a trauma happened to me. And I, I just remember feeling my my soul, lift off my body, kind of like, come forward a bit, a few a couple of inches, and then lift up, out through the top of my head. And I’m sure some of your listeners have heard of people that have died on the operating table, and had that similar type experience. And I just remember I went by slipped through the crack in the, in the ceiling. And when I, when I did that, I was out into the other room. And I could see all around, but I couldn’t hear anything. It was like I was buried in this hole, and I could not hear anything. I’m like, it just there was there was no sound, it was just like dead air. And then I slowly, I don’t know how long I was in that state, you know, kind of floating. And then I went back through the crack and slipped back into my body. And so nothing really, you know, paranormal happened to me for many, many years that I can recall. Until my 20s, I started questioning why I was here, questioning my purpose, trying to understand what is what there’s got to be more to life than this. And as I started opening myself up, right, in that awareness, then I started having a lot of these really strange experiences. And so that’s sometimes how it can happen. A trauma can trigger us to have an experience. And then that then opens up what is often known as the threefold flame, which is within us. So when we say yes, there’s something else out there in that in that big old, universal world, that is all empowering. It’s also within us, and that’s what people that’s why it’s so important for people to read my book, because they’re gonna get it when they read those stories. And they’re, they’re gonna go, oh, okay, whether you’ve had no experiences ever in your lifetime, or you’ve had experiences, there’s going to be something in there for everyone, they’re going to get it and they’re going to go, yeah, I actually have felt that warmth, you know, burning inside of me, or when I lay down to meditate, I can feel that energy, that that flame that’s alive within me. And that’s the connection to, you know, that superconscious. Divine that we know that we call God, most of us.

Brandon Handley 13:10
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. Right. A couple couple questions I have in there. Let’s see, I guess kind of walk it backwards. And, you know, listen, I agree at least that, you know, having felt that warm. Having been in that scenario, that’s a that’s a, just a wonderful connection that you can you can experience them in so many different ways. So if you’re teaching people how to do that through through your coursework, that’s amazing, right. I think that that’s, you know, highly valuable. And we’ll talk about some of the benefits that as we kind of move forward, but what is I’m not familiar with the threefold flame, what is that?

Raine Dalrymple 13:48
That’s a Christ consciousness. experience. So it’s, it’s it’s a it’s an energy source of God. And so it’s the threefold flame of love and light and power in a positive way.

Brandon Handley 14:11
Okay, no, thanks for sharing it. I’d never never heard about it. So I’d like to I like the imagery and kind of the application and again, yeah, together then you’ve kind of got this. This kind of, like, inner sun as it were, right? Exactly.

Raine Dalrymple 14:28
Yes.

Brandon Handley 14:30
So you’ve also made reference to a couple times even before we got going, you know, paranormal experiences. Um, and and it was funny because you said you know, you, you asked me if I’d had some paranormal conversations on here. I guess I had never really put it into that light. Right and thought about it is paranormal. I’m just like, well, this is just one person’s experience. That’s another person’s experience, and I never done the paranormal at it. What would you consider paranormal just so I can Yes, and we can understand that a little bit better.

Raine Dalrymple 15:02
Well, paranormal are experiences that we have that belie logic. So, for example, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had gotten up in the middle of the night to use the washroom. And when I walked out of my door door, the doorframe of the bedroom, the bathroom was over to the left, and I saw something sitting on the top of the stairs to my right. And, you know, you’re half asleep. So you know, you just kind of like, like, looked. And when I did this double take there, on the top of my stairs sat an angel, and I could clearly see and feel that it was a male, on his back was to me, and I could see the wings and the white. And then, you know, as quickly as I looked, he was gone. Right. So it was, definitely, because I was worrying, you know, most mothers that are pregnant at some point in, you know, those nine months, they, you know, they are often concerned, they want to have a healthy baby, and, you know, those sorts of things. And, and I just took that as a very positive sign that he was just letting me know, everything was going to be okay. Right. So that gave me that sense of peace. And that is, is often you know, when angels come to us, that’s their role is to encourage us to bring us that piece to help us to, to not worry to not, you know, having xiety and to trust, right to trust that everything will be okay.

Brandon Handley 16:42
Well, I would like it if an angel or two would show up and bring me a little sense of peace and encouraged. So, you know, it’s funny, like, I guess that’s just because they’re the paranormal. I don’t know, if I ever did or I just, again, to me, it’s just your experience, right? You’re you You’re, you’re open to receiving that, right? So so you’re capable of it, right? If you’re open to it, then you’re capable to see it and receive it. And, and for you, it’s easier to believe, right? Especially as you have had, my guest is more than one of these experiences, as your you know, so you’re, you’re in your 20s, you’ve, you know, you have the introduction to kind of source and these experiences when you’re much younger, and now it’s happening much more often. And you’re in this kind of educational, organizational space, or you’re a professional,

Raine Dalrymple 17:42
right? Actually not yet Nika, because at that time, I was raising my children. So I was I was home with the kids, and I was, you know, doing laundry and making meals and that sort of thing. So I think it was the perfect scenario for source to come to me and all these different ways, you know, visions, I was starting to have visions, just like, you know, I’d lay down to, you know, go to bed at night, and all of a sudden, just visions would start happening to me, and I’d open my eyes, and then I closed them again, same vision would continue to happen until I let it play out. So, you know, it caused me to, you know, question What’s going on? First of all, what, why, why me? Why am I having these, these visions and to try to understand what the message was as well. Right. So, you know, I started charting my dreams to under, you know, better understand what was going on in my life. And, you know, it was really, it was really just, it was a school, essentially, from, you know, the divine was passing on to me to, to go through this. So that I guess, at some point, I could do this book and share it with people.

Brandon Handley 18:52
Right, so I’ll be part of a big part of what we’d like to do here is understand, right? How, just again, in your story, how were you able to incorporate I guess, your your connection to source and spirituality? I guess after you raise your children or got back into the workforce, like, how did you merge the two worlds, right? How did you merge the spiritual world with like, yeah, Hey, I got to show up at work today for this cup of coffee and then type my TPS report.

Raine Dalrymple 19:29
Right, right. Well, what’s interesting about all of that was that wasn’t my goal plan. In the beginning. It wasn’t to, to teach in that way. I was I was brought into that world through opportunities and doors that open for me. So again, you know, that brings us to this place of gratitude because we realize a lot of times things that we do Experience aren’t are doing, they’re there, they’re from, from a higher power that is guiding us and directing us. Now, keep in mind at anytime you can say no to any of it just like you yourself friend and can say, you know, I would really like to have an experience, like, give me something here. And when you ask, eventually you will start to have experiences that might start small, where you say, you know what, you know, if you really do exist up there, source, show me I want to see feathers, I want to see feathers, and lots of them. And you know, there’s a couple of feathers stories are one at least that I shared in the book. And so you know, you might end up you know, waking up in the morning and you making your bed and all of a sudden, all these feathers come flying out of your pillow and you don’t own a down feather pillows. So how in the heck did they get in there. So this is just kind of the fun way that sometimes they, you know, show us these signs, because they really want us to believe they really want us to know that they’re there and to to also ask and to lean on them to help us. So, you know, you can ask, right? I guess it kind of got Oh, okay, so you were asking me, I get off track on these stories. That’s okay.

Brandon Handley 21:15
So the biggest the biggest part, right of a lot of this is, once you’ve had a spiritual experience, it’s really hard as hell to get grounded again. Right. And it’s really hard to go back. Right, right. It’s hard to it’s hard to say, Okay. Yes, I’ll go to work today. Right? And I guess, you know, so how, you know, how were you able to have that experience, and continue to stay in, you know, connected to source and then integrate into? Well, we’ll just call the real world for now.

Raine Dalrymple 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, we’re, we’re, we have this human body, but really, we’re a spiritual being, you know, functioning in the human body. So, you know, you’re going to work and you’re, you know, you’re taking care of youth, or you’re, you’re, you know, when when I was at the time, when it’s, you know, started progressing, and I started incorporating it, I was working with persons with disabilities. So, when you think of it, it was very helpful, in a sense, because it really helped me to interact and relate with the girls much, much easier than if I were functioning out of this real word, man, real world mentality. And then fast forward, you know, down the road, and, you know, working with children, and, you know, they’re just like, they’re just like, everything is amazing to them, right. And they’re just bundles full of love. And then, you know, working in, you know, helping people with life skills. So now you’re incorporating the imagination, you’re incorporating creativity, you’re incorporating all of these wonderful tools and skills that are opening and awakening the people that you’re teaching. So, for me, it felt like it was very easy to incorporate the two, because now you’re living that world, like you’re living in that world, you’re living that life, you’re incorporating the two in your own life, into your own world. And so then it therefore becomes very easy to talk to other people about it, and to share and to help them to see their own value, you know, as a spiritual being. And I don’t mean religion, that’s not what I’m talking about, just as a person that can see possibility in their own lives. Right?

Brandon Handley 23:50
Absolutely. Right. How can we, how can we show someone the greatness that’s within them? Right? And in a sense, I recall, I recall when you first started into this space, right, feeling this way and feeling that everybody has that within them, right? Everybody’s got it. And I recall going to I was at I was at a convention, and I was talking to people I was like, Well, you know, we can talk about what it feels like to step into the greatness of who you are. And man, the looks I was getting, and people were like, What are you talking about? I was like, and as they say, there’s an uncertainty to believe that there’s greatness within you, right? Or what’s or even doing, or there’s an uncertainty to recognize that what you’re doing today right now in this very moment is great. Yes. Right. And so I think it’s very shameful that that we can’t see this for ourselves, right? That’s

Raine Dalrymple 24:55
and it’s amazing that you shared that with those people because I mean, as such If you you look across the world right now, like many people are still asleep, you know, even after this whole year of the madness that’s going on, we are still asleep.

Brandon Handley 25:10
Yeah. So here’s I think, I think here’s what kind of sucks in my mind is that we’re also who were we’re in the midst of like this this quote unquote woke culture thing too. And I think that there’s, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s this like woke culture to, you know, I think racism and schism, right. And then there’s also this woke culture of spirituality wokeness, or awakening. But then there’s also this idea to rain, you know, just kind of bear with me, I so I hate the idea that like, you know, now we say, you know, awakening or something like that it gets kind of tied in, it’s tied into that now we got to disassociate from like, kind of the headlines in the media to just to discern that what we’re talking about here is like a spiritual awakening, or awakening, not even a spiritual awakening, awakening to the greatness of who you are waking up.

Raine Dalrymple 26:03
I really like that. Yeah, right. That’s more accurate

Brandon Handley 26:06
wakening to who you are, and, and, and accepting that. But again, so this is something that you are facilitating, which is awesome, right? This is something you’re facilitating through your book and your courses, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, how you came to, you know, how you came up with the title of your book? And, you know, also, why now, why you thought those types of things right, so, how did you know what, what made you decide that it was time to start writing? And?

Raine Dalrymple 26:41
Well, it’s kind of a funny story, because I actually started the book, probably, oh, probably about nine years ago. And it’s probably To be honest, it was probably more than that. So what happened was bachlin, you know, we first had computers, and they were like, the dinosaur computers. I had been, you know, typing it up on there. And I had given a copy to my Google my Google room, I met one of my mentors. And I said here, you know, like, it was like, maybe a chapter there. And I said, you know, can you give it a read and see what you think of it? And like, not too soon after that my computer crashed, and I lost everything. Right? So I thought, Well, okay, no problem. Like I first I was really upsetting. And I gave him a copy, I’ll give them a call. And I’ll, well, just what he lost it. And I was just like, beside myself, because I thought, What am I going to do now? Like, how am I going to get those words back. So you know, I sat down and kind of tried to recall what I could. And then I had taken on, I had moved to a different province and I had taken on working two jobs for quite a number of years, I did that often on, you know, working two and three jobs. And so I didn’t, I didn’t have time to work on it. So I put it up on the shelf. And then when I did finally pull it out, again, that would have probably been about six years ago, and just kind of jotted some things down. And then really seriously, two years ago, sat down in the winter and just did a whole pile of writing, then picked it up just a little over a year ago. So you know, just before all this madness started happening, I thought, you know what, I’ve got to get this done, something was just pressing me, I’ve got to get this done, I’ve got it, you know, whatever happens, I’ve got to get it done. So I too, have found it very intriguing about the timing, because it’s just so relevant to what’s going on right now. And I think more than anything, you know, you speak to, you know, the reality piece and the spiritual piece. And really, the book is about bridging those two together, you know, because we do need, just like both sides of our brain, we’ve got the logical side and we’ve got the creative side, we need the two to converge to function, you know, in, in a, an optimum fashion, right. So, you know, bringing, bringing those two elements together. And again, it’s it’s like you talk about it’s we are all unique, and each person through these experiences through the growth through the transformation, you know, through understanding what their limitations and their barriers and their blocks are. And the personal development growth that they go through is what is helping them to be to become a much better person happier for themselves and within themselves because a lot of stuff happens in life. We’ve got relationship stuff with family members and exes and you know, jobs you know, job loss and loss of, you know, grief and loss of People in our lives and pets that we’ve lost and all of those things that happen that really pound on our, our soul self, and really cause us to lose that fire inside of us and that hope. And that faith, like on the cover of my book, I say hope where there is no way make away. Right. And that’s what I want people to learn is that, you know, it doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful at everything we tried. But the fact that we’re taking those steps forward, and we’re moving forward in that tenacity, and determination, and perseverance, those are the things that help us to create a much better person, and a much happier person. Because now we can say, you know, you know, I did this, I, I wanted to learn how to play squash or I wanted to learn how to canoe or I wanted to, you know, get on a team and learn how to, you know, and be involved in racing, you know, kayak racing, whatever it is. Just throwing some examples, though, you know, work so, right,

Brandon Handley 31:07
because I think that,

Unknown Speaker 31:10
you know, we leave,

Brandon Handley 31:12
we leave ourselves for too long, and then we get back to ourselves and like, I would love to go do this, but, or, I’d love this, but we get lazy. Yeah. Or we say, All right, I’ll give it a shot. And then, you know, when we find that we’re able to accomplish that thing for me, for example, it was going to do a triathlon. Right? Like, I was like, You know what, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m just gonna, you know, we’re gonna go do a triathlon, and yeah, and rain. I was not an active guy was not right. I was actually I was not an active guys. So it took a little bit of training a little bit of time. And I went, I did it. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 31:53
wow,

Brandon Handley 31:55
you know, pretty good. And I’ll do another one. So I did a couple more. Right. And so having that experience of this thing that I never thought I saw myself doing, and then just getting up and going and doing it. And it wasn’t even hard, per se, right. Like, I mean, right. But I was wore out, don’t get me wrong, but it wasn’t hard. You just it just took going and doing it. Right. And working towards it. And and, and this, I think I think I think that one of the things that’s great is that if you work towards it without like this imminent pressure on yourself to succeed, just to go do it, right, just to go do it. Yeah, is enough.

Raine Dalrymple 32:35
Yeah, you can’t be active in the present moment, right. So you were you made a decision in that present moment. Instead of Couch Surfing for the night, watching another movie for the seventh night in a row, you’re gonna get it on your own, you’re gonna do it,

Brandon Handley 32:49
I binge, my fair share of Netflix, I know, I’m just like everybody else out there. But there are certain things that I’ll get up and I’ll go to just a little bit differently, that gives me a sense of purpose, or a sense of contribution to the larger part of ourselves, like you were talking about, like where our body and our spirit and we need both, I think the one thing that gets the most neglect is our spiritual self, which I want to have to go ahead and assert is the larger part of our being

Raine Dalrymple 33:20
well, and they’re all interconnected. So you take your example. You said when you were done? Yeah, it was it was a little bit of hard work, but it wasn’t like so hard that you couldn’t do it. And you actually felt really good after you, you know, those, you were alive, you felt alive, you were in that present moment, and you showed yourself with determination and commitment, you can do it. So that that really it can feed the ego but in a positive way. Right? It but it fed that that whole aspect of who you were, and you looked at yourself, and you went, Wow, I did that. Right. I actually accomplished it. And it just, it gives us a better sense of who we are, and that we can achieve anything that we set our minds to. It’s just to follow through.

Brandon Handley 34:12
Right, right. Yeah, it’s pretty much just a follow through and just just to go do it. So you know, you’ve got storytelling and some practical thoughts and some other you know, awesome stories inside of sight Beyond Sight. You’re gonna walk people through you, you’re gonna walk the reader through some journeys and some specific stories that will help them kind of come alive and recognize that they too, absolutely have what you’re calling the threefold flame within them, right. And then you you you can get the book and then you also offer a couple different courses, right? You got a couple different programs, and if I’m not mistaken, is it the eight you they Key keys to consciousness consciousness is that going to be the one that kind of directly relates to sight Beyond Sight?

Raine Dalrymple 35:06
to quite a bit, a quite a number of the courses that are offered are all based on the keys to consciousness, because really what we’re talking about is everything that we’re talking about is is, you know, finding, finding who out who we are. Our own uniqueness. Core, for example, is chapter six, I believe five or six, I think it’s five. You know, it talks about, you know, nutrition and, and health and well being even myself, like, I have been so negligent with doing the, the exercise lately, the yoga isn’t happening, you know, nearly as often as it should. So I joined yesterday, actually, you know, a mentor that’s running a program for about 30 of us online. And so now, you know, I’ve got that commitment, right, the commitment to just as you committed to doing the triathlon, about that commitment, now, I’m committed, right, I’ve talked to him, I’m signed up, and now I’m committed. So you know, you know, at the end of two weeks, I mean, I’m going to feel better about myself, I’m going to feel happy that I contributed that time, to my physical well being and, you know, I can incorporate, you know, smoothies, and, you know, so we do as people, we need the interaction, you know, we’re finding that out big time in this last year, that we need that interaction with people, we need to be interactive. So I have many programs actually, that that I run. And if people want to connect with them, all they have to do is go to my website site, be on site.org. And I’ll, you know, I’m just starting to upload those on to there’s a couple on there now, but I’m just starting to upload those onto the website. so that people can, you know, whatever, whatever they need, they can get one on one coaching and support with me. Because truly, we are all so unique, that it’s I really like to I do really like to have like a free discovery session with with everyone that calls or contacts me, you know, via email, because I want to know where they’re coming from and what they need, there’s no sense of me sitting and spilling out a bunch of stuff that, you know, are my suggestions if it’s not going to help them. So what I do is I combine that intuitive piece. So you know, I do do the angel card readings, but I also Intuit I just grabbed it from the, you know, my guides and walk them through, you know, interact with them, to find out what it is they need, you know, some people come to me wanting to understand, you know, their past, they want to understand what they’re going through now. And they also want to understand what can they do going into the future. So that’s also, you know, a piece of that intuition that happens. So it’s just really a lot of like, you know, coaching, support, you know, supporting people in their own walk and in their journey. And, you know, I also, you know, I’ll be doing artwork, you know, creative art, you know, in zoos, and, you know, on lives, and all that kind of stuff, you know, I’m partner partnering with some other people, so that we can kind of give people a variety of services. So it’s, it’s really up to each individual, all they have to do is reach out to me, and then you know, we can take it from there we can we can grow from that point.

Brandon Handley 38:36
Well, that’s awesome. Right? So I mean, you have a lot of different options available for someone. So if I, you know, so my, my pathway to you could be could look like this, where I pick up the book, right? I read the book, and I find that it strikes a chord with me, right? I said, you know, rain, she’s got it nailed down, this is me to a tee, gotten everything, gotten everything just right. And then I’m like, Alright, well, I do want to know more, but I’m not quite ready to commit to a program or anything just yet. So I can come over to your site. And when I’m at your site, I can see over here, you’ve got your eight keys to consciousness, which you’re telling me it sounds like it’s kind of like a foundational course. Right? All the stuff that kind of we’re talking about here. So yeah,

Raine Dalrymple 39:23
like, you know, if some, when someone picks up the book and reads it at the end of each chapter, there’s a practical buoyancy section where there’s three to do tips. So it’s kind of a nice way to for them to segue into you know, taking action. You know, having running a salt bath and putting on some music there, you know, just simple tips. You know, doing a collage, you know, grabbing some scrap paper, you know, magazines around the house and creating a collage. You know, people are welcome to do that on their own right because these are just some practical tips that they can incorporate in Your own personal growth, right?

Brandon Handley 40:02
When was so just I mean, share with me a little bit of why I might want to do you know, a clause. And how’s that gonna? What are some of the benefits I’m gonna get from that?

Raine Dalrymple 40:15
Well, let’s just say, you know, right now a person is not happy in what they’re doing for work, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re not happy going to work every day, they’re really actually quite miserable, they don’t enjoy getting up in the morning, or you have someone who you know, is laid off right now. And they really, they really don’t know what direction to go in. So we know we can go online, you can go and see an employment counselor, and you can do these tests that kind of point you in the right direction. Or maybe you should be going to school for carpentry for the next, you know, number of years. Or maybe you could do this, or maybe you could do that. But there’s also this creative aspect that you can tap into. So you know, you get out a gripping piece of paper, and you grab a bunch of magazines, and and you just start looking through them, you start cutting out pictures that speak to you. And then when you go to put your collage together, you know, you’re gluing pictures, let’s just say, you know, I remember when I did mine, many years ago, I started noticing I was cutting out a lot of fashion, like a lot of women wearing like the big hats and Paris and, and you know, the really nice fashions. And when I got done, I thought wow, you know what, I guess it’s time for me to, to clean out my wardrobe and get rid of some stuff, and start incorporating some of these stylish new outfits into my closet, right. And that gave me a sense of confidence of self confidence. And I felt, you know, happy to get dressed up. And you know, where are the big earrings, you remember those days, the big earrings and, you know, the blue eyeshadow and whatever, whatever it was, but you know, it made me feel good, right. And it’s it helped me to see that we can create our image, we can change our image at any time, we can wear the suit and tie we can wear the hippie pants, we can we can be whoever it is that we choose to be. And we can change that that image. Right? So it’s all about growth. It’s all about that. That internal growth, right. And when you look on this clause, you can see, wow, you know, maybe maybe someone who was interested in carpentry didn’t realize they were but here, they were cutting out all kinds of decks that you could build for the summer and, you know, these like extended rooms on people’s houses. And they’re like, wow, like, I really, I might like, you know, doing something like that maybe I should look into, you know, being an apprentice in carpentry, right? So it just opens our eyes, it opens our eyes to other possibilities.

Brandon Handley 42:58
I like it, right? So it gives you the opportunity to kind of step away from the business of life. Kind of just open yourself up to anything really like if you as long as you’ve got like a collection of magazines, you just kind of you fan through it and pick out kind of whatever is stimulating you, right? And then and then you can kind of see down there we can call it like divine guidance if we want or just call it like a almost like a Ouija board except for like what you’re calling forth. It’s just like, what’s what’s piquing my interest these days where, you know, where should I be spending more of my attention, and then you you kind of see this picture unfold in front of you. And you could, you know, almost take a look at that as a divination tool, right?

Raine Dalrymple 43:50
Yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:51
So So, ya know, it’s interesting, if

Raine Dalrymple 43:52
you don’t have a bunch of magazines around, you can, you know, because we’re also tech savvy, you know, to a point, you can go online and you can just start pulling pictures, you know, off, you know, pixels and, and that kind of gives you an indication as well, you know, create a collage on your on your computer, right. So there’s a lot of different ways we can do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:13
I love that. So there’s a couple nice examples where somebody could actually just kind of go out there and do that today if they wanted to. So I love being able to share that. Another one that you’ve got another one of your courses here is the business business savvy empath. You know, talk to us a little bit about that because I think that, you know, that’s that’s a place where you know, a lot of people are in business, right. But not everyone in business is a you know, has empathy and or vice versa. The empath may be like, well, I don’t want to be in a business setting because they’re all gonna they’re gonna they’re gonna harsh my mellow. Right, right.

Raine Dalrymple 44:47
Well, the business of empath is just about how can I hack? How can I hack my imagination and my spirit connection, to better understand how I can run my business in a productive way. You know, it’s, it’s not only a logical, but it’s a creative again, those two, two facets coming together to help a person understand, you know, back in the day, you know, they talked about you know, when you’re climbing the corporate ladder, you know, in the, you know, there’s a lot of, you know, mean stuff that goes on when when that sort of things happens, you know, you’re stepping on people’s toes and that sort of thing. And when we, when we tap into, and when we’re showing how to tap into our own unique nature of consciousness, we realize there’s room for everybody, there’s room for everybody to be successful, whether it’s in, you know, a corporate company, or whether we’re running our own business. And, you know, it may get to a point where you are in the corporate world, which many people have been, and they’ve left that corporate world to branch off and run their own business. And so it’s just really tools and techniques of a spiritual nature as well as the logical nature that we look at, on how can we tap into what can best guide us to being successful? You know, in our, in our, in our genre of what we’re doing? Do we have blocks there? Do we have money blocks? Do we have? Are we do we have a fear of success, right? versus the fear of fear of failure. So all of those things play play into that, right? And just helping a person to, to personally develop themselves, which obviously affects our business world, right? Because, you know, it’s about walking, walking the talk, right? So whatever we’re doing in our personal world, you know, for sleeping until noon, and, and that’s okay, if that’s your schedule, some people are just not morning people, and they want to sleep until noon. And then they’re up till midnight, running their business, because of the nature of it. So it’s also coming to understand what is my schedule? What do you know? What, what is conducive for me? You know, so that’s just a practical way of looking at it. Right? And, and just also saying, Okay, well, if I want to, you know, I want to get up at six or 7am and beat beat the mad rush, and I want to get out knock on business doors, than I have to get up. You don’t have to get up at seven. So there’s, it’s just a lot of, basically, that course, is converging the two together to help it work for you.

Brandon Handley 47:43
think that that’s a that’s a great one right? For especially, especially new, as we talked about earlier is, you know, once you once you kind of hit that spiritual high, it’s really hard to come back down, right, and then you know, so sounds to me, like this would be something that would help somebody that’s had a spiritual high as like, Alright, let’s get to you know, reintegrated. Let’s take some of what you’re learning here of what you’re feeling and help you to integrate that into your, your daily work life. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s huge. Because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of that out there. So thank you for you know, being any one of the people that’s trying to, to get people to recognize that in themselves

Raine Dalrymple 48:29
for that pass. Yeah, help

Unknown Speaker 48:32
them to clean it up.

Raine Dalrymple 48:33
I mean, we know that we know it’s changing, you know, we know that the dynamics of work are changing. And the numbers of people working online has massively increased, and it will continue to grow. So, you know, some people don’t even know what they want to do yet. So you know, connecting with me and us just, you know, hashing over things and, you know, doing some strategizing and incorporating that intuition that can help to lead them into and onto a path that would be productive and satisfying for them to experience fulfilling right are all looking for fulfillment

Brandon Handley 49:17
that’s the gist of all this right the gist of the podcast is that and of itself, right? How do you again take your you know, your spiritual self or integrated spirituality, material, you know, all of it for a more fulfilling life? Right? And that’s, you know, so that sounds like what your sounds like what you’re sharing out there as well and trying to get you know, people woken to the you know, again, waking to the the greatness that they have within or at least to

Raine Dalrymple 49:49
be aware of it at least,

Brandon Handley 49:51
you know, recognizing the the light within the passion within the whatever, you know, whatever gets you up. Yeah, right.

Raine Dalrymple 49:59
Ever is gonna ignite All

Brandon Handley 50:00
right, ignite you and then you know, kind of kind of continue to fan that flame in, I would imagine a controlled way, right? In a way that says, Let’s, let’s direct us towards a positive outcome, and a good way for you to go forward, right? Because I think that we see a lot of that too. Where again, you get so high, you never come back down, right. And you know, you’re not able to apply that, bring it back down and share it with the rest of world and it gets kind of lost in the ether. Right? So thank you for THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, writing the book, thank you for creating these courses. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, say to share, you know, what it is that you’re creating and bringing into the world today? Where, where should I send people to connect with you Ray?

Raine Dalrymple 50:48
Well, obviously, they can go to the website sight beyond sight.org, they can email me at sight Beyond Sight 222, at gmail.com, they can also give me a call or shoot me a text at 306-980-7758. Any of those, any of those ways that they want to reach out is fine. I do have some books left not many now from the pre sale package I bought, and I’ll be ordering more of the books so they can get the book directly through me. So all they have to do is message me and I can get it out to them right away. And they can also find it through freeze and press the freeze and press bookstore. And also through Amazon. My understanding Amazon has the price marked up a bit. But $8 I think so whatever, you know, whatever way that they, you know, see fit to, to order it, they can also get the E book through me directly. And if they do decide to sign up for, you know, the membership packages that I have the monthly membership packages, which are basically a $120 package for 4997. They can get the book free. I’ve done a lot of incentives out there.

Brandon Handley 52:05
Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like you’ve got a lot to offer. And, you know, for anybody that’s listening in today. Listen, I think that you know, Ryan’s got some really great materials out there that are really going to help you to open up to yourself and then also be able to apply it to wherever it is that you’re guided to.

Raine Dalrymple 52:25
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed it.

Brandon Handley 52:28
Absolutely. Happy to have you on all right.

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Mikal Shumate grew up in a blue-collar family, served in the U.S. Navy during the Vietnam War, and worked in the construction industry for over 45 years before retiring. He holds a certification in interpersonal and trans-person counseling, and is an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer. A lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness lead Mikal to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now pass on to others within the pages of “Blue-Collar Enlightenment”

Connect with Mikal at LoveLightConsciousness.com !

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope this is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Michael Shumate, who grew up in a blue collar family and served in the US Navy during the Vietnam War. He’s also worked in the conduct construction industry for over 45 years before he retired. He holds a certification and interpersonal and transpersonal counseling and as an ordained spiritualist minister and oneness trainer, after a lifetime of interest in learning about and obtaining higher consciousness, he was led to study and decipher the mysteries of all the world’s major traditions, spiritual philosophies and experiences. This ultimately led him to discover and interpret the mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, which he now passes on to others within his new book, blue collar enlightenment, Michael, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Mikal Shumate 0:51
Thank you. I’m doing well.

Brandon Handley 0:54
Fantastic. Awesome. So I’d love to start these off with the idea that you and I are basically, you know, we’re conduits for source energy, right? And, and we, you know, something’s flowing through us, you and I, today through this podcast is hitting somebody’s ears, or maybe a video depending on what they watch the video, but there’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 1:26
That

Mikal Shumate 1:28
it is possible to live life in a peaceful and happy state of consciousness where you’re not stressed, and you can achieve anything you really want to achieve.

Brandon Handley 1:51
So I think that’s a I think that’s a powerful message. Right? And, and, you know, you build out this system for it. But even before we kind of get there, let’s go, you know, what are some of the, you know, the, I’d be curious about what is even a spiritualist minister, right, and just kind of let’s talk a little bit about your path and how you got to where you are today. So in in regards to even being the spiritualist minister, what would you tell me that is, and what’s that mean?

Mikal Shumate 2:19
Well, early, early in my life, I had a number of experiences they had to do with people that I knew or people that I met. The most profound was a woman named Nancy Cappy who actually, at the time that I met her, I was a young man in my late teens, and she worked with my mother at the time in are in the same company, and they knew each other, so they and we also had a group of friends and things like that for the family. And so she was part of that network. And she did what are called reads. Okay, well, readings, you know, in most terms are, are seen as being psychic readings, she was psychic, but with a very definitive methodology. And her her method was Auric reading. So she would read the energy fields around your body. And she, I mean, she was she was one of these people that was born that way. You know, and she just, she just over her lifetime learned until she got to the point where that’s all she did was, was her work by reading orders. And she, she had a profound effect upon me. I came home I was in, just joined the Navy. I came home on leave. And our neighbor, Latasha comes by and says, You got to go down and see Nancy. So why would you know, she’s doing readings down here and was in San Diego. She’s down here at the waterfront, and you need to get out and see her. Well, okay. Don’t What else you got to do, you know? So I found a hotel room down on the waterfront where she had rented a room it was giving readings. And I walked in and she looked up and saw me and she just kind of stared at me for a minute. And then she finished what she was talking about. And then she says, may I come to you? I had no idea what she was talking about at the time. So she said, Yeah, okay. And so she, she told me things about myself. And two profound things stuck with me out of that. One of those was that I needed to learn how to separate my work life. from my home life. A lot of people bring their work home with them. And she told me, it would be very important for me to separate that. Which I learned to do. And in fact I do, I learned it so well that I would tell myself as soon as I get home, I need to call so and so and I wouldn’t remember until the next morning. So it’s, you know, so that separation was important. And then she also then exposed me to the idea that there was something else beyond what I had learned in my life. That all fell into the category of spirituality. In spiritualism itself, to answer your question is the study of psychic phenomena, the study of energetics that are beyond our normal, day to day process. And what it did for me was, it inspired me to, to wonder about and seek to, to refine and define and understand what consciousness is. So I had like, two, two operations going on in my life, I had my, my, my work, business, all that sort of thing. And then on the other side of it, I had my quest to learn about spirituality and consciousness. And, and then, of course, that evolved over the process of time. And we’re talking about, you know, a 50, year 5050 plus year process, actually, over 60 years, almost 60 years process, to try to figure out, you know, who I am and what I am and who we are, and what we are, and that sort of thing, in my book is the culmination of that process up to the point I wrote a book, because consciousness and awareness is not something that you just reach it reach an endpoint, and that’s it. No, it’s not like, it’s not like, okay, your body has

reached its limit, and you drop the body and whatever happens after that, right. So it’s not like it’s not terminal. Yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 7:26
I get that for sure. Sure. Just to jump in real quick. You know, we’re already got a little bit to unpack there, Michael. So before we, before we get too far along there, right. I love what you’re saying there in terms of, you know, there is, I mean, there may seem to be points where there’s a plateau, but it’s still ongoing, right? Even if it levels off, it’s still expanding that that consciousness that you’re talking about, right? Yes. And my

Mikal Shumate 7:49
experience is that we, that it’s like a ladder, you you expand, you reach a point, and you stabilize it, that area, you in my experience, I would like have what they would call a colic cathartic experience of reaching a plateau. And then that experience then becomes normal. And it’s like, okay, at that time, you know, it’s like, You’re full of Listen, you’re full of joy, and it’s just this wonderful thing. And then, and then that just kind of becomes ordinary. And then as you grow, then you step up again, and it’s just a continuous process of that. Enlightenment is not a endpoint, it is a actually a beginning point of the understanding of the totality of your consciousness.

Brandon Handley 8:42
Can I tell you how frustrated I was with that one, right? Because, you know, as I as I look back on my experience, right, kind of mine was kind of a sudden, sudden thing, right? Kind of, like, I would liken it to a discarded seed that just goes ahead and sprouts anyways. Right? And and really, there was no stopping it. So you just kind of like, Oh, well, great. This is amazing. And then it’s taken me personally about three years to kind of understand what’s going on, try to verbalize it and really develop it. It’s like, just like literally like being reborn, right? There’s this whole there’s a whole new language that I don’t understand, or I understand but I’m looking for the language to to encompass the experience. Right. So when you know when so you’ve got this you got this lady, right? What What is it that makes you even believe her right at that time, because she’s telling us some things. I’m gonna you know, your your your your, you know, late, late to your late teens or early 20s I’m guessing and what makes you believe her that what she’s telling you is something that’s even worth pursuing.

Mikal Shumate 9:55
Well, my attitude is I am I am a A dyed in the wool skeptic. So you can, I will listen to whatever you have to say. And then I will look into the world and see if that’s valid for me or not. And so what what happened with me was, you know, a number of things that she talked about kind of resonated. And okay, well, let’s, let’s just see what this is. And actually what happened was, after I, after I got out of the Navy, I went into college. And after going to college, I came back to my hometown of Encinitas, California. And there was a place there called the chapel of awareness that I happen to just walk by one day and see Oh, no, and, you know, it’s like, you know, your your, if you allow yourself to be spirit will drive you to wherever it is that you need to be. So,

Brandon Handley 11:03
agreed with that real quick there. You know, what, what would you say specifically resonated with with you? I know, it’s been a while, right. But you said a few things she’d said resonated. And I’m just curious what those resignation points were?

Unknown Speaker 11:16
Well,

Mikal Shumate 11:20
gee, it’s, I mean, you’re talking.

Brandon Handley 11:23
As I say, look, if you can’t remember, if it’s I get it, but you know, that was this kind of the question that popped up in my mind, you know, what are these? What are some of the sticking points?

Mikal Shumate 11:31
Yeah, I think, you know, the, the, looking at that process, because that was just a step. You don’t know, it’s just one step in a whole lifetime of steps. But I did, I did study spiritual ism, which is that study of psychic phenomena and, and contact with just disconnected, you know, disembodied souls and that sort of thing. And a lot of other things, which is a very primal level kind of experience, you don’t have to be highly spiritually evolved, to be able to connect into that frequency of energy, you just have to have that resonance in you, that resonates with you know, whatever it is that you’re you’re trying to connect with. Like that. For me, for me, it’s a very, was a very primal level kind of thing. And there’s a whole lot more stuff, the increases with frequency as your

Brandon Handley 12:38
frequency goes up. And I think that i think that’s interesting, too. Even going back to kind of, you know, the, the kind of awakening experience, right, where the awakening or the initial enlightenment isn’t, isn’t the end point, right? That’s, it’s kind of ongoing, whereas even Alright, well, hey, here it is, I’ve awakened, not only have I awakened, now, I feel this the source energy flowing through me right now. Now, what I’m hearing you say, is that you don’t even have to be like that elevated or, you know, you don’t have to be that deep end to be able to do that right to connect with sources that what you’re saying, like, you know,

Mikal Shumate 13:18
we’re not talking about connecting with source we’re talking about connecting with, with the spiritual entities.

Brandon Handley 13:24
Okay. would you would you define things?

Mikal Shumate 13:28
Well, the requirement, as I’ve come to learn, okay, the requirement is that you need to resonate at the same frequency, it is true, all the way up the scale, you want to resonate with your higher self, you have to bring your vibration, so to speak, you know, that’s the term that was used when I was a kid, you know, you got to raise your vibration,

Brandon Handley 13:50
it’s back Michael, just say no, it’s it’s all it’s all coming back, right. It’s a cycle a cycle of things.

Mikal Shumate 13:58
So so it’s like, you know, the higher you raise your vibration that gives you the ability to connect out to other intelligence at that vibration, because we are in we are in we have been divided there. There. There has been definition stated that we have that we have dimensions of existence, like the third dimension is the primal dimension of existence on Earth, right. Raising that vibration of Earth up to the fourth fifth dimension is now what what’s being called, you know, the evolution of humanity. A lot of things come together as you gather pieces of the puzzle. And so what happened for me was I spent pretty much my lifetime gathering pieces of the puzzle. And about three years ago, three, four years ago, it all kind of coalesced and children came together and I had a much clearer Understanding of a much larger picture. And that’s really where where my book takes people is how to get yourself into that state of being. So that you can, as you say, connect with source, because ultimately, everyone is connected to source,

Brandon Handley 15:23
for sure, for sure, for sure, right? It’s not that you’re not connected to source, it’s your ability to recognize your connection with source or your awareness or, you know, kind of, you know, listen, so my mom, I was born in late 70s. My mom, you know, in San Francisco, right? So I’ve got a little bit of background in tuned in what does it tuned in turned on or whatever? Tune into now, whatever you tune in, drop out, whatever, you know, so there it is, right. There it is. Right. So the language right there, you know, is it right? It’s already kind of in existence, kind of like there’s already like a radio tower out there. All we got to do is dial into it. Right. And, and just recognize it. And and I think you would you say that you’ve got to want it, which you’ve got to say that you’ve got to be willing to receive it, that type of thing?

Mikal Shumate 16:15
Well, I yes, I think I think there are exceptions to people that with people that actually came in to, specifically to do that kind of connection. But for most people, you you meet, you need to be drawn into the what I would call it spiritual curiosity. Okay, so if you’re, if you’re, if you’re, if you wonder, what is this? And you know, I mean, I would think that a majority of people wonder about, you know, why they’re here on this planet at this time, and what their purpose in life is, and, and such like that, you know, the big existential questions that people have, but I think that the basis of all evolution is spiritual curiosity, that you want, you have a, you have an innate internal sense that there is something else and you want to find out what that something else is. And it can be drawn, you know, depending on your state of evolution, it can be drawn into a religious movement, you can be drawn into, you know, higher consciousness type movements, you can be drawn into meditation, you can be drawn into all kinds of things. I mean, there’s 7 billion people on the planet, and there’s 7 billion ways in which we can access this information. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 17:44
100%. And that’s why like, I was definitely catching, catching your language saying, Hey, this is what you know, in my experience, this is what’s been valid for me. Right, I’m hearing you say that. But what I think is also interesting, too, is that, you know, so here you are, you’re, you know, you’re in the military, how long were you in the military? And, and kind of what was your experience while you were seeking through that we sharing your experiences of seeking through that? Or was that kind of a solo experience for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 18:14
I was in the military for three years, nine months at 26 days. Counting, right, so I did a minority term where I enlisted when I was 17. And I got out on my 21st birthday. So

Unknown Speaker 18:31
it was

Mikal Shumate 18:34
it was a process of working out. Or at least at least, the beginning of working out things from my childhood, in the military. It provided it provided a structure for me. It provided discipline,

Unknown Speaker 18:59
and

Mikal Shumate 19:02
gave me a chance to discover what I was capable of doing as a person. And that I was capable of going through this training and such like that. But more More importantly, what it was it was a mechanism for, for my future. In the fact that at the time, they had the GI Bill, well, they still have gi Yu GI Bill, but at the time. The GI Bill was very generous. And when I got out of the Navy, after about two years of, you know, flopping around and in society, I thought, you know, I want to I want to get an education, you know, I’d be the first person in my family to get a college education. And so the GI Bill help you do that. And, of course, when you go to college, what happens there is it’s not about necessarily the subject matter. It’s about the exposure to all the different things That at that time was probably the best way to broaden your horizons to expand your perspective on the world. Nowadays with the internet, it’s a whole different story, because there’s so much information available on the internet that you have a world education, you know, just by sitting in your, in your home, you know, but for me at that time, that was a, it was a mechanism that took me in to set me up for how I was going to operate in the business world and make a living and that sort of thing, at the same time, giving me opportunities, because where I went to school was up in the Monterey Peninsula for two years, and then up in Sonoma State University, for another three years. It gave me an opportunity to be exposed to a lot of different things, culturally different people, and become aware of other types of spiritual movements. It was a time of the Maharishi doing his thing. So I got exposed to that I got exposed to people that were interested in different spiritual paths, different gurus and things like that, because it was a lot of influence from the east coming in, at the time. So in that in those five, six years that I was hanging around in that environment, I got exposed to a lot of different philosophies, a lot of different perspectives and things like that. And each one of those things, gave me a piece of the puzzle.

Brandon Handley 21:38
Sure, sure. And that’s pretty cool. How you’re the first you like that you’re the first new college, college graduate, right? And in your family taking kind of advantage of that mechanism for a future, let’s talk about, like, how you’re talking about the idea of, you know, going in getting that education, but the education, you know, and, you know, like, you keep saying, you know, in my experience, right, and my experience, you know, going back to school, after you’ve had some world experience makes that education a little bit, a little bit more applicable, right. If you just go from if you just go from school to school, you’re just continuously learning, you don’t have some real world application. So what you’re sharing is that you were able to go, you know, finish up school, go to the military, you know, like you said, flop around a little bit. And then when you went back to school, you were able to kind of learn some things that you could actually apply to the real world. Is that how I’m picking that up? Yeah. And then it’s pretty neat. Like how you were exposed to all these different types of new philosophies or philosophies. I think that during during the time that you were growing up in that period where we’re new to the United States, right? Yes. What was your What was your personal background prior to even jumping into these these Eastern philosophies? Were you a Christian?

Mikal Shumate 23:04
Yeah, we was Catholic. I’m the old guy. So I’m the oldest of nine children. Guess what, guess what religion? We were. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 23:16
Right. That’s fair. So it wasn’t Mormon. Yes. Were you? Did you know? Did you break away from that faith while you’re studying all these others, to go off on your own and figure it out yourself?

Mikal Shumate 23:28
Actually, I broke away from from Catholicism when I was about seven years old. that I had, I had an experience that kind of made me stop and think and look, it’s like, you know, this has always been part of my character to, you know, wonder about things. So, one Sunday, we were getting ready to leave for church. And I think we were there was like, four or five children in the family at that time. And I just put on Sunday clothes, all the good clothes and all that sort of thing. And I and I would walk it outside. I was I’m six foot five now, which is shrunk from six foot six. And I was so I was a tall, gangly, uncoordinated kid. And I stumbled on the way out, stepping down the porch, and skinned my knee. And I tore my pants. And my father just got furious with me about it. And I couldn’t understand why he was so mad about it. No, it wasn’t that I tore my new clothes and things. He says, We can’t go to church with you looking like that. And I thought, why not? Because why does Why does God care what I look like? And that just started me looking seriously at Catholicism and things. You know, and religions in general, over over my lifetime to see what it is that you know, that was that made sense of what didn’t make sense. And so that was that was that was the initial point right there that was early in my life.

Brandon Handley 25:16
Yeah, I mean, that’s definitely young to be breaking away from your own kind of foundations right or even your family structure. So that’s pretty cool. Let’s, um, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, the idea that you’ve got this mechanism for achieving awakening and enlightenment, right, let’s talk a little bit about maybe what we can find inside of the book, blue collar, enlightenment.

Mikal Shumate 25:36
Okay, well, the, the, the essential point is that the, there’s a, there’s a whole process that I go through in the book to get to this point, but the essential point is, is that the, the best state of being is to be present. Totally present for the experience of your life. And what keeps us from being present is our memories, which are, which we indulge in the thoughts of our past, actions and, and, and things like that. And that’s most its most destructive and most seriously understood. If you think about times, when things that happen to you, and it just rolls around in your head and rolls around and just won’t let go will leave you alone, it just, you’re just stuck back there at that moment in time. Well, the past is the past, it’s gone, there’s nothing you can do to change it, you can reiterate yourself experience within your mind as long as you want, it’s not going to change anything in the future hasn’t happened yet. So that’s it, that’s a you know, the reality is, is that we live our life, in moments by moments by moments. And so if we can be present for the moment, then what happens is everything changes because at that point, we are connected to our core self. And we are able to be guided to that thing, which is the most appropriate for us to be

Brandon Handley 27:31
what would you say some of the mechanisms are specifically to stay president way? How do you how do you break out of, of, you know, living in the past or in the future and bringing yourself to be fully present?

Mikal Shumate 27:44
Well, it is a it is a actually a very simple thing that is hard to do. That’s what I find about the truth about most things is they’re very simple. It’s just that they seem to be hard to do. So what I was, you know, I I trained in for about 10 years in India, learning different kinds of meditations and processes and things like that. And one of the most influential people on that kind of brought me to the Enlightenment moment was a couple of people called, well, it started out with oneness universities, where I studied with Sri Bhagwan Shri Rama were the founders of that his son tree mine stopped.

Unknown Speaker 28:45
You can just go with a son,

Mikal Shumate 28:47
he and his wife prekmurje have taken over the, you know, the university and combine their operations to into what’s called

Unknown Speaker 29:06
one one world Academy.

Mikal Shumate 29:12
It doesn’t make any difference. What what he what he showed me was that there are only two states of being that you can possibly be in. You’re either in, you’re in a state of being happy or you’re in a state of being stressed. So, understanding that what isn’t if you take a look at what is it you can do for yourself to resolve stress in your life. The most effective thing that you can do is calm the mind. And how you learn to calm the mind. The best way that I know is to learn how to be silent, which is is what is what we call it meditation. Okay, so if you if you Put yourself in a position where you can be called, where you can slow your process down. And your awareness can watch the mind, then what happens when you start watching the mind is it starts, it doesn’t like to be watched. So it will stop chitter chattering, in this stopping chitter chatter will happen a little bit at a time. And as you persist in the process, it becomes more and more and more until you can sit and be in silence. In in when you’re sitting in Venus as your total awareness and experience of what of what is there for you. And that’s, that’s how you get to that point. After that, it’s, you know, there’s all kinds of things that can happen for you, who become aware of, in fact, you know, science is actually catching up with spirituality now. They’re, they’re aware that everything in the universe is connected. Well, all of us are connected to each other. What I do affects you, what you do affects me on some, at some degree in some level. And so when we’re able to be in that space of silence, we’re able to be in a place of total connectivity. And therefore we have access to the field of consciousness, which then can out of which we can then create whatever it is that we want. The reality is, is that we’re doing that all the time. We just don’t know that. That’s the we’re creating our life. We’re, you know, as they say, we’re co creators of the experience.

Brandon Handley 31:51
Yeah. 100%. I think that were, I love that you got the opportunity to spend, you know, 10 years in India, right. Do you think I mean, just out of curiosity, do you think that your experience is still possible for somebody else today? To go back? Well,

Mikal Shumate 32:06
it wasn’t 10 continuous years, it was over a period of 10 years. Okay, gotcha,

Brandon Handley 32:11
gotcha. Well, I mean, even

Mikal Shumate 32:15
the most time I spent there was like about six weeks. Okay. Is it possible? Absolutely. Okay. You know, it given the current pandemic condition, we have to get through that. And then once we travel again, right, yes. All those things in India are still there, right? If you feel drawn to that,

Brandon Handley 32:36
right. 100% 100% I mean, you’re you’re out there. I think Monterey is got some places out there. I was just out there in LA not too long ago, where they’ve got the Self Realization Foundation, right. Yogananda

Mikal Shumate 32:51
fellowship,

Brandon Handley 32:52
fellowship. That’s,

Mikal Shumate 32:53
that’s in Encinitas. That’s where I used to live.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Yes. I mean, you’re right down. Did you did you did you spend some time there? So, okay, I mean, yeah. Okay.

Mikal Shumate 33:02
Most, most the time it was my biggest exposure was when I was young, you know, and we actually we, it’s, it’s actually, there’s a state park there called Swamis beach. And that’s, that that’s because the locals used to call the place to Swamis place, you know? Who was there? Yeah. pazza Yogananda was a great influence on me very early in my life. Okay, his

Brandon Handley 33:31
book, right? I actually just ordered it. I’ve never read it. And I said, Fine. You know, I’ll go ahead and read it. Yeah, it’s, um, I don’t know if you know this, but Steve Jobs actually handed out that book on his deathbed. So what was the Yeah, Steve Jobs died. He gave everybody in attendance, a copy of that book?

Mikal Shumate 33:49
Yeah. So I thought that was it. There’s a lot of there’s a lot to be learned from that. That’s one of the one of the things that I read when I was younger, right.

Brandon Handley 34:02
You talked about, you know, just jumping back a little bit in the in being in the military, and processing, like kind of some childhood stuff. Was there anything like in there? What would you say you had the process? to kind of get through that, how did you do it?

Unknown Speaker 34:22
Well,

Mikal Shumate 34:32
this is a lot of things. Probably just, it just, it just gave me an opportunity to grow up, you know, to to transition out of childhood behaviors into a more disciplined adult behavior. At the same time, I recognized after a couple of years, that I didn’t want to spend my life doing this. So I knew that Did you know that this was just a one time thing, it really was an opportunity for me to get away from home. My father was very abusive. When, when I got big enough that I could square off against them, he stopped being physically abusive to me, and just mentally abusive to me. And actually, it was so, so intense that I actually left home. When I was 16 years old, I left home. And but, you know, after a few months, out there on your own living at friends, homes, and that sort of thing, you know, it’s like, oh, what are you gonna do with your life? Boy? Well, that’s what I say, Well, you know, I could join the Navy.

Brandon Handley 35:49
Nice, nice. Well, look, I mean, you got it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, good for you to kind of kind of get out of there and away from that, right, split off from there. And I’m sure that that has a lot to do with what you needed to process kind of going counter that. And even kind of going forward, right? That’s not the type of thing that just that just falls away super easily. So thanks for Thanks for answering that one. You know, you talk about the calming the mind silent meditation. And I’m just trying to imagine you out there working in the construction industry, pausing in the middle of the day, taking some deep breaths and saying no mistake or something like that. How did that how, how were you able to, you know, weave this into practical application on the job and that sort of thing. Just curious how it shows up there for you? Well,

Mikal Shumate 36:36
it’s not like it was a continuous day to day process for most of my life. Once, once you achieve the ability to do this, then it’s fairly easy to exist in that state. It doesn’t mean that you don’t have thoughts that the, the achievable goal is, like 70 to 80% of the time, you’re in this state of presence, not 100% of the time, if I was there, 100% of the time, I probably would have no reason to stay here. You know, if I drop the body and go do something else. Yeah. Right. But so it’s not like it’s all the time and it we’re talking about a process here for me, that has spanned a period of Firstly, 60 years. Michael, would

Brandon Handley 37:40
you say there’s any way to accelerate that,

Mikal Shumate 37:42
I would say that now is the time to accelerate that, that that it is the energy and everything is changed the dynamic, the the the the push for ascension into higher dimensions and things like that, have brought in an opportunity for people to, to make these transformations in their life, and do it in a very short period of time.

Brandon Handley 38:10
What would you say? There’s evidence of that, right? Where, where? Where would somebody See that? I guess, what’s the basis of that statement for you?

Mikal Shumate 38:18
Well, it has to do with all the people I’m in contact with, and the things that I am continuously studying. But also from, from my experience, because it didn’t all come together for me until, you know, 20 2017 2018 that’s when I had my transformational experience. And, and discovered what this actually feels like. I mean, you know, this is really, we’re talking about, we’re talking about the mechanism for, for experience on this planet is feeling. So, you know, you pay attention to your feelings and how you feel how you how your body feels, how your attitude is, and you can accelerate this process now. And the only way that you’re going to know how long that’s going to take is to start doing it. But I’m, I’m very confident in in my observation of my environment and my experiences out in the world these days. shows me that yes, it’s possible to make these transformations and make it you don’t need to spend

Unknown Speaker 39:43
years in India

Mikal Shumate 39:44
a lifetime or you don’t need to spend lifetimes doing

Brandon Handley 39:47
this. Sure. Sure. You got a couple things in there that that are intriguing to me, right. One is that you’re an older male, right? And and, you know, born born and raised Western civilization, a different generation. And it’s this idea of males dealing and with their feelings, right? How did you kind of come about that spot yourself to say, holy shit, I gotta I gotta pay attention to my feelings. Right? This is, this is this is the key. And then you know, so finding that key. So it’s like you find the key, and you’re looking for a lock, right? You’re like, you’re like, holy shit, here it is, the feeling is the key. What does this unlock and sounds like that, that unlocks this kind of an ongoing, enlightening experience, but just I just want to hear how you were able to get there and especially share it out with the males out there? Well,

Mikal Shumate 40:45
I have to say, first of all, I have been very emotionally aware, from very early in life. A lot of emotion was not very positive emotion. But it, it my awareness of how it affects my body and such like that. I’ve been aware of that for a long time, I consider myself to be very male, female, balanced. It’s, I’m unusual for males. Most, most, most people are one way or the other. But I think that simply the process of being aware of what’s there and acknowledging the truth of what’s there is what transforms your ability to have, you know, a total experience.

Brandon Handley 41:55
Agreed, right, agreed 100%. But again, you know, it’s, I guess, how did you be? What do you have a point in your life where you feel like you were always kind of emotionally aware and how it was impacting your body? Your daily life? Isn’t a pinpoint for that, right? Because, again, this is something that I see over and over, especially in the western male civilization, right? Not understanding what emotions that they’re feeling to begin with, right, nor understanding, you know, kind of the impact on the body, right? The, you know, if we look at alchemy, right, we are walking chemical creation factories, right, and what we feel, creates those chemicals that impact our body that impact, you know, our magnetic field and resonance, right, and on and on and on. So my question to you again, is, was there a point where you said, This, is it right, or you began to recognize those feelings and emotions and the impact that they were having? Or is it just always innate for you? And that’s, that’s

Mikal Shumate 43:03
its primary, it’s primarily an eight. And there was a point where I recognize the impact of emotions on the body. And interestingly enough, it was when I was in college. It is one experience of many that stands out for me. I had been in a relationship and then had the gone through a relationship breakup. And it really hit my sore plexus. To the point where I had gut pain, like, I just couldn’t understand why, you know, it was just, the emotion was so intense. And interestingly enough, the solution was hugging a tree. Somebody told me, you know, yeah, tell me. Tell me, the trees, trees will help you release this emotion. So I said, Okay, fine. I, you know, I’ve had enough of this. And I found a nice, I think it was a nice redwood tree or something like that big

Brandon Handley 44:17
tree,

Mikal Shumate 44:18
and just grabbed the whole thing and then held on for an hour or so. And it actually worked.

Brandon Handley 44:25
Wow. Well, you know, I’ve definitely seen that type of thing. I’ve got a bunch of trees in my backyard. I’m like, I kind of want to go try it out myself. But I want to do it in private, right, like, Okay, this tree and I have a moment, please. So, I enjoy that. And I also just, I see a sea kind of, and I’m familiar with this type of someone’s this, this this gut punch right? Where your your feelings are just all centered right there. And just for that one moment, you’re kind of your hidden pain, right? That solar plexus, right? Yes, and there’s just there’s nothing but that moment which, in honesty, you know, if you, you know, if I reflect back on I’m like, there’s a moment where I was truly present to myself right truly present to what was happening within me. At that time, I wouldn’t have addressed it. In the same way, I would have just addressed it as this sucks. But at the same time, that’s what I was present for was just that feeling emotion and listening to my body. Right, and just kind of coming, you know, surrendering to that moment? space. So how can you use good ideas? If you’re going through this type of thing? Michael, just I mean, another one, if you said there was a keystone to your entire program, you know, sounds like sounds a little bit like, you know, calling the mind awareness be present? Are there any other key stones or just really revelatory moments? What do you do even recall? Like, when you recognize the whole puzzle had kind of come together for you? You know, you’re talking 2017 18 you’re like, Eureka.

Mikal Shumate 46:07
Well, yes, there, there was a thing I was. I was studying at the One World Academy. And, and they were taking us through a process. And that process was called

Unknown Speaker 46:31
the

Mikal Shumate 46:40
minds, the mind slips. Oh, mercy. Google, will be

Brandon Handley 46:55
able to edit that out. And yeah, just a space. But there’s a process that you were going through, you don’t remember a specific process? And that’s all right, can you talk a little bit about like, what happened during the process, and then maybe, what the well actually what

Mikal Shumate 47:09
happens, what happens in the process is they they take you through a meditation where your where your consciousness has expanded out into what they call the, the limitless field of consciousness. And you can, if you can experience that space, then what happens is, there is a space where there are no limitations. And if you can focus on one single thing and focus on a clear intention for that, then you can create that intention manifesting. So

Brandon Handley 47:59
do you have a recollection of maybe the first time you realize was this the first time you realize that you were capable of being the CO creator and manifesting those things? Or do you realize that before?

Mikal Shumate 48:11
Well, what manifested what made this sink in it actually like to be honest with you took me it took me months to really realize what had to happen. But at the time, I had a very serious cancer related growth on my cheek. It was it covered it covered a good portion of my cheekbone, and it was probably a couple inches in diameter. And so my, my wish my intention was that my face heel, and this, I mean, this looked like a charred burned mass on my face. And but we did that meditation is the great soul sync meditation. That’s what is called the great soul sync meditation. So available on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 49:08
We got that one out right now. Right? Hey, guys, here’s the secret. Oh, wait, I forget what it is. But good luck out there.

Mikal Shumate 49:17
Hey, I’m 75 years old. What do you want, you know? But anyway, that was about four days before the course ended. By the time I left, at the end of those four days, that great big mass had shrunk to about the size of a dime. And three days after I got back home, which was about five days later, it was completely healed, because I had an appointment with my dermatologist. And he looked at that and he said, My God is incredible. And so it’s like okay, Miracle, right? Well, we can create miracles. And that’s when I discovered that process and what it felt like to be connected into that space. I mean, this is the most important thing is what what it felt like. Because when you have a feeling, you now have something you can relate to other than just a thought. So you can, you can be aware of that thing when you when you get back there again, you go, Okay, I’m back here again,

Brandon Handley 50:38
Michael, what’s up? What’s the miracle feeling? Right? Like, I mean, what does that feel like? Tell us a little about

Mikal Shumate 50:43
that. It’s, it’s, uh, it was, it was, it was a soul premiere, it was a slow dawning process, that of what actually happened after I had a few months to, to, you know, live with it, and be aware of it and have people talking to me about it, and that sort of thing. And, and it’s kind of like, okay, yeah, this is something that is possible. And, from that, in the experience of learning how to meditate to the point where I can slow down in inactive consciousness where I can be present, you know, those things came all out of that experience. And for me, it’s, it’s a, it’s easy to recognize when my thoughts are running. And I can stop the train. And I can be present, I can move, actually, you know, I mean, this is, this also involves some physical awareness in the heart is the key to the whole thing. So it’s like, there is a, that’s where our connection to sources, there’s a little, little tiny space in the heart, where that little spark of of source resides in us. And so connecting with that source connecting with that spot, and you’re able to do that by being present, you’ve moved, you can actually, actually, you can move your consciousness anywhere in your physical body that you want. I don’t know how much time we have. But I, I learned, I learned that when I went through the string, II St. Earhart seminar training back in the 70s, early 80s. We had an instructor who had a scar on his face, and it was an ugly scar. And he says, I’m going in this weekend to have had this scar produced fixed. He says, I’m going to do it without anesthesia. And he says, and that’s because if you because I know that if you put your consciousness right there at the point of pain, pain has the job is to tell you that something’s going on here that needs your attention. If you put your attention there, if you put your awareness and your consciousness at that point, he will not hurt to pain will have recognized pain will recognize that it’s done its job and it will not hurt. This guy did that process, I discovered the truth of that as, as in most things, through my own experience, when I cut myself and slice my finger in, you know, a work related kind of thing. And, you know, I bashed it, it was throbbing in it, so it’s okay. Little mind pops up and says, Well, what about that thing? That guy said, Oh, well, let’s try that. Okay, so I just focused my attention, put my awareness and my consciousness into that point. And it’s not hurting. Because it Okay, this works.

Brandon Handley 53:52
Right, this works. And I think that I think that a lot of times, right? It’s, it’s when somebody tells you something like that, or teaches you, you know, you kind of want to call bs you like, I will bs until you actually experience it yourself. Right. And it’s one of those things that can only happen internally, and it’s subjective. So it’s difficult for somebody else to outside of you believe that right? unless they’ve had that experience themselves.

Mikal Shumate 54:21
Yeah, I think I think it’s where healthy skepticism comes in.

Unknown Speaker 54:24
We don’t for sure,

Mikal Shumate 54:25
allow the possibility that this thing may be, in fact true. But don’t just become a believer actually branch out and be in become a knower right

Unknown Speaker 54:41
now and yeah, no,

Brandon Handley 54:42
this thing is true. For sure, for sure. You know, when you’re talking about being a co creator, you know, I was definitely skeptical of that kind of thing before until, you know, I’ve had some experiences myself where there’s just been co creation, right, like, Wow, I can’t believe that happened almost identically to What I saw my mind with great ease and just kind of showed up in my life. Right? And and that’s, I mean, it’s pretty crazy. And you have to be willing to look for it right? You have to kind of be willing to look for the evidence of that. And all those other things, one more thing for you kind of before we tie it up, right? This is the book is for ordinary people. Right? And I’m just curious what you mean by ordinary people,

Mikal Shumate 55:26
people that have no spiritual training, particularly spiritual training. I try to keep all the blue stuff out of the book. No, it’s because I don’t want to put people in a position where they have to decide whether this stuff is real or not, you know, I don’t want to turn people off, it’s a process a very simple process of understanding our relationship to our existence on this planet, and how we can change our experience of that get into the point where we’re living in that, what krishnaji calls a beautiful state as compared to be in a stressful state. So if you’re experiencing negative emotions, you’re angry, you’re, you’re sad, you’re having you know, those kinds of experiences, you’re stressed. That’s one way to live life. The other way to live life is to, to recognize that those things are just thoughts in your mind. And it’s not you. So that you can and then to recognize an experience that you can be something other than that. And, you know, most people have had some kinds of, you know, really positive experiences in their life that they can relate to, to that sense, that feeling of being that way. And in my book, I take you through all the background understanding of how to get to the point where you can know that this is possible, and then it’s up to you to to do it.

Brandon Handley 57:07
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. I love it, man. What you know, and why now? Right? Why? Why? Why this book? Why now for you?

Mikal Shumate 57:16
Just, it’s how it evolved?

Brandon Handley 57:18
Yeah. Okay,

Mikal Shumate 57:19
I gotta do what I got to the point where I, where I understood it. I just was, I was just was guided, to be honest with you, I was just guided to, okay. You know, I’ve been, I’ve been writing these pieces and things like that, you know. And now it’s time to put all this stuff together. And because as I go, as I go along, in my training and my experiences and things like that I you know, kept it not necessarily a journal, but I kept a log would write things, things would be inside ones be inspired by I’d write it down. And so all that stuff I brought together into the book, and even the name of the book came to me, you know, I was just like, I was told, look all enlightenment. Let’s, let’s name your book. Okay.

Brandon Handley 58:10
I think I think it’s a great name for the book. And I, you know, I’m pretty excited. I haven’t read it yet myself. But I think that I think that what you’re talking about is going to speak to the blue collar people to those ordinary people to somebody who’s maybe had one or two experiences and doesn’t know how to kind of pin it down, right doesn’t know how to recreate those experiences. And it sounds to me like, you’re helping someone to, again, decipher the mysteries, right? And some of those mysteries are what was that feeling that I was feeling and how did this happen? Right, and then being able to pin it down, recreate it and and implement it for the rest of their lives that said about what it boils down to?

Mikal Shumate 58:48
That’s it’s a path to do that. Yeah, for sure. Why can you just all you have to do is do the work?

Brandon Handley 58:54
Do the work, right. I mean, that’s, that’s all that’s always the challenge, right? That’s the challenge is actually doing the damn things. Right. Dude is a simple,

Mikal Shumate 59:02
simple process. That is hard to do. For sure. So this

Brandon Handley 59:07
helps you to do that. Where Where can I send people to find out more about you and this book?

Mikal Shumate 59:14
Okay, well, I have a website. It’s love, like consciousness.com. My book is available to my website. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available on Melbourne press, who is the publisher of it? And there’s a number of things on the website. recently have happened. articles that have been published and that sort of thing that might interest people.

Brandon Handley 59:43
Okay. Would you call those kind of just add ons to the book, right? Be like, hey, since I’ve written the book, you might want to you might you might want to find out about this. Right. Right. Right. Okay. Well, great supplemental material can be found on love, light and consciousness as well as the full book, Michael, I just want to say thank you so much. much for joining us today on spiritual dopes Ben great.

Mikal Shumate 1:00:03
Hey, if you send me a link, I’ll put it on my website.

Brandon Handley 1:00:07
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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Connect with Adam Walton on his website here: https://thementalmasteryalliance.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there Spiritual Dope, this is your host with the most the voice of a generation. Brandon Handley. And I’m on today with the Adam Walton. Adam. What are you running these days? Man? What Where should I? You know, even if I just say it, I think the I know you best is the mental mastery, but I believe you’re the mental mastery Alliance now.

Adam Walton 0:26
I’ve always been the mental mastery Alliance.

Brandon Handley 0:30
So there you go. You know, I know Adam as he’s one of my first coaches, Adams actually the person that gave me that line that I that I just threw out at the beginning, they’re the the voice of a generation without Adam. You would not have the voice of a generation does know that. I think he did that. Right.

Adam Walton 0:48
I did kind of know that. Yeah. But I mean, the reality is, they would have the voice of a generation because my friend, you still exist. And you were partially there, I just figured why not glorified. And that, that’s, it’s it’s 100%. Sure, like you really have to envision what you want. And just like anyone that’s getting started in anything that’s new, it’s really hard to believe in yourself. So when you start announcing yourself as the voice of a generation, you live up to your monitors, you really step into that power. So it’s not like you have to, you know, slow it down or play small, you know, when you are the voice of a generation, which you currently are right now. You stepped right into it.

Brandon Handley 1:30
I love it. I always like to say that. And I it’s funny, every time I say this, I always expect somebody to send something to me. But nobody’s ever said that I can’t be the voice of a generation.

Adam Walton 1:41
Right? You’ve also never specified which generation so all the haters can beat

Brandon Handley 1:46
the hell out. So I usually like to start this with a phone one, right? The The idea is that the universe, God, whatever speaks through us, right? And somebody listening to this podcast right now is going to get a message that can only be delivered through source through Adam Walton to them, what does that message, do more.

Adam Walton 2:12
Simply put, do more, no matter what you’re doing right now do more. And that’s that’s the one piece of advice that will get you from where you are to where you need to be. If you there’s there’s a there’s a statement, when you have a job, when you work for somebody, when somebody is hired you to complete their tasks. always deliver more than is expected. And when you do that, you change the way you operate. sequentially, you change the way you operate mentally, you change the way you operate physically and spiritually. If you’re saying I am tasked to do this thing, then that is the limitation you put on yourself, that is what you will do. And you will do a basic job of it. When you do more than is expected.

Unknown Speaker 3:00
You’ll always amplify.

Adam Walton 3:04
In other words, your tasks, you’ll amplify your output. And when you amplify your output, you feel it internally. So without trying to seek praise from anyone or anything anywhere, other than how you feel about yourself, always do more.

Brandon Handley 3:25
I mean, I think it’s pretty, it’s pretty powerful message. how,

Adam Walton 3:28
you know, what’s a good example of that? Because I think that I know that for myself. You know, historically, it’s like do more as I do more of what, how right? What would you tell somebody do more looks like? Just like you said, do more of what and how if you’re going to take up the moniker of doing more. And then you ask yourself, what more can I do? Well, now you’ve got an you know, you’ve got to give yourself an answer. And when you do you execute on doing more so simply by asking the question you have effectively done more. Also, when you’re on that line of thought, you have the ability to to create more. And there are so many times and I’ll tell you this just like the more you try to push in anything and the more you try to do something positive you’re gonna get you’re you know, you’re gonna get a pushback, a naysayer, anything. Because if you’re if you’ve decided at this moment in time that you’re going to step into your purpose, for example, know that if you’ve not started this journey, you are starting from the beginning. But the beginning is a little bit into the race and into the race, you’re still in the crowd. And that crowd is of people you joined a race with that wasn’t your race to begin with. So the people that will say the negative things or the people that will get inside your mind are the people you associated with before you became I would say aware before you became self aware before you became spiritually aware before you started this journey at all. On this path, on this journey, you are going to unload these people one by one, so that you can make room for the new people that are in this journey on this path with

Unknown Speaker 5:11
you.

Adam Walton 5:12
It’s not a good thing. It’s not a bad thing. It is merely an experience. So embrace all of the negativity, embrace all of the uncertainty because it is those uncertain moments that is those negative moments that create the positive view. Five years from now, one year from now next week.

Brandon Handley 5:31
Yes, sure. I mean, you can look at any event or an experience is coming into your life right now. As a negative right now, like, you know, you say, hey, this negative is COVID, right? You just had whichever you gallbladder taken out, whichever.

Unknown Speaker 5:46
My gallbladder tried to kill me, right? Yes,

Brandon Handley 5:50
yeah. And and I think, if you were telling me, you know, you we connected a couple weeks back, and he said that he just came out of hospital. And I think I asked you, I said, Well, you know, were you it was your back? You? Weren’t you laid out for about a year or so with your back as well. Correct? Yeah.

Adam Walton 6:06
So what what happened with me on that on that the back part was when I really stepped into my purpose, the world without my own desire, or anything slowed me down, basically put me in bed for a year. That gives you time to think.

Brandon Handley 6:25
So does, you know, but talk to me a little bit about going through that. And before we even got fired up here, I think, you know, when you and I first connected, I wouldn’t have put you, I think in the spiritual journey space. You may have been on your way, right. But somewhere along the way, you and I both kind of started sprinting or running towards this spirituality bit. Where did you get like this kind of fever, the bite

Adam Walton 7:01
when you and I first met, I wasn’t allowed to be myself based on contracts negotiated at the time I was a entity of another unit. So my spirituality started, my spirituality started when I was born. I never fit in, I was never part of the third dimension, I was never somebody who looked at something and agreed with the television agreed with the narrative agreed with getting a job, I questioned everything since birth. And it’s been referred to as a fourth dimensional entity, I arrived here as a fourth dimensional entity. You don’t know what that means, obviously, because when you live in the third dimension, you have to look at all this shit, that doesn’t make any sense. But you have to look at it all. Now, when you and I crossed paths, I was living my best life. As a sales coach. And as somebody who had the ability to see into people’s souls, I utilize both skills. Coaching was coming naturally, next, and the dark night of the soul is the main thing that pushes people into the next reality. I’ve gone through probably about four of them in the past three years, where I’ve been forced to deal with myself. So when you step into purpose, when you step into your ascension, your light your journey, your reason for being here, a lot of other bullshit disappears. A lot of stuff that that is not necessarily goes away. And what I find entertaining about that moment is everybody has this preconceived notion of what a spiritual person is. And I don’t live up to any of those preconceived notions. I come from a very cruel background, I come from a ruthless background, to be honest. And it’s been said that you need to be capable of evil, to be able to spread positivity to be able to be capable of pure positivity, because anyone can be nice. But to be capable, and understanding there must be a contrast. So anyone can be something but if you’re truly capable of evil, and you choose against it, or you learn from it, and it creates a new, then that’s an entirely different state than saying, I believe that we should all be a certain thing. That’s a very controversial statement. If you want me to unpack it more I can. But for the most part, there’s one meme that I absolutely adore. And it says, Don’t let the spirituality confuse you. You know, there’s gangsta under here, and a lot of people

Brandon Handley 9:43
100% 100%. Right. Like, I mean, I don’t know that. I think the contrast is necessary. Right? You know, I wouldn’t say personally, I look from from my vantage point, I wouldn’t say I’d have to know you have to know evil. To know good, right. You do, because at the same time, you have to know, you have to know.

Adam Walton 10:05
And this is a really valid point, because you have to know light to understand darkness. So on that note, when I say you have to know evil, I’m not saying that everyone’s evil, but I am saying that the most spiritually enlightened people I’ve ever met, have lived through some shit.

Brandon Handley 10:22
Sure. Look, man. There’s no doubt right. Like, I don’t I don’t think that I don’t think that I’m bringing my personal take is I don’t think that. Again, there’s no preconceived notion, right? It comes from anywhere, you can get it anywhere you get it, like it can happen in any way. Right. And that’s the beauty of it. So I definitely appreciate

Adam Walton 10:43
up right on that one.

Brandon Handley 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your journey. Right. So I mean, you know, tell us a little bit about like, let’s talk a little bit about like this, you know, as the Adam Walton that I met, right, the Adam Walton that I first met him as his coach life coach. You know, the story is, you know, you’ve had some success, you know, throughout your life, you built it all on your own. And then, you know, the atom, the atom Walton I first met, even though it was a kind of a package deal. To me, it seemed, you know, seemed genuine. Right. Seemed always, yeah, always genuine. Yeah, always genuine. But the atomwaffen that I feel like I know, now is just more expansive, shall we say? Right. And I think that that’s a good phrase for it. Right? There’s a different, you know, you said fourth dimension, no being and I think that there is there there multiple new dimensions about you. So let’s talk about like that transition over the past, like three years and what’s happened.

Adam Walton 11:47
Berbick, the, you know, when I was when I was referring to earlier, it leads into this, you know, when you when you find, when you find when we were Okay, so, when I was talking about evil, you know, evil versus good. Again, the contrast, every single thing is contrast, you know, you don’t know heat Unless, you know, cold, you don’t know, light unless you know, dark, the Yin to the Yang, this idea of who you are at any given moment is only compared to who you were. And when you are somebody who, you know, has gone through certain experiences and has been talked to and dealt with a certain way, you have certain notions of who you are. And based on that, you have certain notions of where you think you can go. spirituality and how it compounds is, by taking those extremes, my journey, specifically not, you know, everybody’s got a different path. But my journey specifically was taking those extremes and experiences and viewing them as teaching moments, rather than painful experiences that I wish I’d never lived. You know, if I go back through my life, and if I go back through my experiences, every last one of them formed who I am, and who I am is amazing right now. But nowhere near where I’m going to be in 10 years, and where I’m going to be attending. And that’s not me to to my own horn, I’m not trying to impress anybody, I’m not trying to do anything, I am just simply on a journey for myself. And we’re in before it was always nice to you know, do this, you know, be kind to others, and all that sort of stuff. And you think to yourself, it’s a good idea to, you know, be kind to other people, for other people. And you’re but you’re being bombarded with it right now in the media, which is, you know, wear a mask for other people get vaccinated for other people, you know, nobody’s really questioning the fact that all of this stuff needs to be done for you. And if you raise that point, then you’re selfish. And it’s interesting that the entirety of the world has decided that we need to think of other people as opposed to focusing in on who we are, and what we’re capable of. Because first and foremost, with regards to the vaccines and the masks, if you’re not wearing a mask, my mask doesn’t work is such bullshit. If you’re not going to wear a mask, and and people in old age Homes is going to die again, bullshit, right? Everything has its own purpose. If I were to walk into an old age home, I would mask up, right, but for me to not be able to have my friends over. And then and then and then be able to go to Costco, you know, two totally different things. And I’m speaking on this because this is the grand awakening. What we’re seeing right now is the veil being pulled. What we’re seeing right now is the holes in the story. So every single thing that’s ever taken place in my life, is now being compared to what’s happening in the sandbox is not being compared to what’s happening in the ethos of the realm in which we’re all inhabiting. So I am now able to compare my life story to what’s being offered to me to the experience that we’re all collectively having, collectively having a unique experience, which is a very interesting thing that a lot of people can’t wrap their minds around. And that’s because they’re all tied into each other. The third dimension you’re all tied into one another as opposed to experiencing individuality inside the culture. If you’re a Star Trek fan, just picture Seven of Nine, or whew, if you want to go right back to the Star Trek, the next generation, phenomenal things, there’s a lot of stuff in Star Trek, actually, they talked about the Dyson sphere as well, fantastic, completely different episodes. But when it comes down to your spirituality, you are experiencing this world in this realm.

Unknown Speaker 15:21
With your background,

Adam Walton 15:24
therefore, your background and my background are entirely different. I’m not better than you, you are not better than me, a man who is born into money, you know, to a poor man, seems like he’s got it all. But he’s got his own problems. A man who was born with nothing and no legs, or what have you, whatever it is, you know, he’s got his experiences, and for you to be like, Oh, poor him, that’s you, implying your experiences onto him. Therefore, you’re forcing him to play inside your ethos. It’s an interesting reality, to understand that we are here to experience individually, the collective, and you start off inside the collective as is your experience for comparison. The only way you can break out of the collective is to understand that exists, the only way you can understand it exists is for it to exist, which then brings back good and evil, if evil is being perpetrated to wake you out of the collective consciousness, and it’s an agreed upon contract, ie soul contracts, something that people can walk into, is evil, actually evil? Or is the act of evil good, because its end result is for you. Now, that’s a huge debate. Everybody can have their arguments and their and their competitive thing. Perfect, but it’s a topic that nobody discusses. We look at evil and good as black and white. And it certainly is not.

Brandon Handley 16:52
I mean, look, I like it, right? Do you gotta have any hero’s journey, you gotta have the antagonist, right to something’s, there’s got to be some type of catalyst, there’s got to be some type of obstacle to overcome, right? In order to flourish. Just like, you know, cheese goes, I listened to this morning. I forget what it was exactly I was listening to this morning. But you know, think of a walnut shell, right? I mean, that for that tree to express its life, it’s got to do battle with that shell, right? It’s got it’s got to penetrate and get out of that shell, it’s got to reach for the light. And then it’s gotta, you know, then it’s got to reach to the ground. And first of all, it’s got to know what’s inside of show. Look, I mean, it’s just gotta it’s already knows that’s, that’s the that’s always the beauty. Right? You know, the rest of nature outside of human beings, right? A tree trees, a dog dogs, humans were like, What the fuck is going on? Right. So, you know, and I enjoy, I enjoy your perspective. So what I mean, just talk a little bit about what led you there again, so I mean, your your, your Adam, you know, the, you know, I wouldn’t call it like pre spiritually, you know, the pre awakened, Adam, I guess we could have, right. You know, and how do you slip into this space?

Adam Walton 18:09
It wasn’t, it wasn’t any one thing. Obviously, it was a collection of things. And like I said earlier, you know, being born fourth dimensional, it sounds Jujuy. But at the end of the day, I always viewed things differently. So when I was able to not think I was crazy for viewing things differently. And when I was able to see that the society was trying to give me ADHD, and this and anything, for me to understand why I was so good at sales. For me to understand why I understood what people needed, I had to dig deeper into myself. And to do so I encountered more answers to the questions I was asking the questions were changing, the answers were changing, and they were leading to more questions. The more questions that were being answered, the more questions I had. And then when you stop living, fourth dimensional, third dimensional and you start living fifth dimensional, it is a shift, you go back and forth. You can visit the world, fifth dimensionally, so you can see it but you can’t live there because it doesn’t make sense because this is where you’re going. It’s not where you’ve been. And it’s not anything like where you where you’ve been. fifth dimensional living is understanding and when you can understand certain things, a lot of shit just goes away. And when that shit goes away, you have so much more room inside yourself to embrace new things. You stop worrying about am I going to live Am I going to die? What if I crash? What if I this What if I don’t make any money? What if it doesn’t work out? What if it does work out? What if I do this? What if I do that? When all of those noises leave your head? You can amplify everything that you’re doing at the moment that you’re doing it.

Unknown Speaker 19:49
How did I get there?

Adam Walton 19:52
Honestly, I would have to say the leaps all came from Dark Nights of the soul all came from going toe to toe with what I believe To be true, entering painful moments, the back putting me in bed. You know, when you when you’re sleep deprived for over a month, and you are faced with chronic pain, you ask certain questions, you change the way you do things. And when you’re when you come face to face with your inner demons, whether you want to or not, when you’re in that much pain for that long physically, there are people that you meet inside your mind. Dark Nights of the soul also come from smaller experiences also come from putting yourself out also come from you allowing yourself to have that experience. And collectively right now the universe is going through a dark night of the soul. And you’re seeing an awakening to the illusion. Some of us are some of us aren’t, you know, and there’s a lot of questions, I have a lot more questions about where we are now than I did. Before, you know, before you see what’s what’s what’s, you know, the world the game that we’re playing, because, because it’s phenomenal. So my spiritual journey is is just beginning. I am growing exponentially, I have changed my focus, I no longer need or want what I used to want. Now I want to make a difference. Now I want to make a change. Now I want to have a voice. Now I want to share my message. Now I want to be a guest on your podcast show. I’ve always wanted to be a guest on this show. Come on. Have you seen the artwork for this, ladies and gentlemen?

Brandon Handley 21:33
I’ll tell you, James, James knocked out on that. The CIO sounds a little bit like you’re talking about finding your purpose. Yeah. And what’s that? You know? So what does that mean to you?

Adam Walton 21:50
alignment, basically, my purpose isn’t anything other than what I needed to be. And, and my alignment, you know, what’s funny, is boredom. Boredom goes out the window, the minute you start aligning yourself properly, you start you start finding fascination, and all kinds of things. I mean, all kinds of things like boredom is just not challenging yourself. And and it’s really interesting, how that plays out, you know, and just this growth, this this alignment, you know, how do I how do I not sound like every other person speaking in broad terms, I mean, it’s almost impossible not to because every single person’s journey is different. And every single person is allowed to have experiences. And the minute you stop asking, if you’re having an experience, you understand that you are having an experience. So everyone out there that is experiencing something weird, they want answers. You give yourself those answers. And then when you start believing in yourself, you you move in leaps and bounds.

Brandon Handley 22:53
What do you mean by you know, start believing in yourself?

Adam Walton 22:57
Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that you can fail? No, no. Did you think that you could fail when I met you? Yes. No. How would you explain that difference? Because you actively right now know that you cannot fail?

Brandon Handley 23:15
It was going through the process, right? We talked about that. It’s uh, you know, there is it’s funny. I actually I posted a meme. I think not too long ago, just my own meme. I said, What the fuck is the process? Right? Because people always say, trust the process. And you’re like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. And and until you go through the process? Or a process? I guess. Right. It’s, it’s tough to discern. So that’s how I got there was by trusting the process and going through with it.

Adam Walton 23:50
That’s right. And that’s, you know, that’s basically you know, the gist. So when somebody says, you know, when I say to you, I cannot fail. All I can do is have an experience and make a decision about it. Right, the world doesn’t get that just yet. There are so many people that like explain that make that because of course you can fail. I think one of the funniest realizations I ever had was the Yoda saying, Do or do not there is no try. Sure. And I was like, when you’re living in third dimension you’re like of course there’s a try there’s try all over the place you do nothing but try until you do or do not. But the reality is that we live in Yeah, and results you live in and results you either do it or you don’t do it.

Brandon Handley 24:27
That’s the the other one and the matrix, right. Stop trying to hit me and just hit me. Yeah,

Adam Walton 24:33
great. Trying to hit me exactly

Brandon Handley 24:36
right. Just hit me. It’s real similar to that. So you know, the dark nights of the soul you kind of went through. And I think one of the things I like to always understand is, now that you’ve kind of got like this purpose to kind of share your message out. I believe you’re still doing you’re still coaching and you know, trying to get others to Understand what their messages right align with their purpose so that they can go through the process, right? How are you seeing? Are you seeing a leap in fulfillment in your life. And by living it this way, versus what it was before, and is there any way you can kind of compare, compare and contrast that for us

Adam Walton 25:23
100%, there’s, again, you know, the lack of boredom, you know, all that sort of stuff, you know, comes into it. My purpose in life is to wake up lions, is not to wake up sheep is not to, you know, dismiss them or anything like that. But my purpose in life is to push those that need to be pushed, to step into their light to step into the light of change. And it’s not even that I’m doing it for them, I’m doing it because I need to do it. Once that person is awake, and once that person is off and running, they no longer have anything to do with me, my purpose was not to get praise from the lion that has now awoken, my purpose was to simply wake that lion up. My purpose was to allow them to understand their purpose a little bit better, and to show them that they’re not crazy for having that identity. What was I doing? Well, being third dimensional, I was teaching people how to sell, I was teaching people how to close, no matter what realm I lived in, I was always teaching people. And when you live in that realm, you are always under the gun, you’re always under attack. And it’s really interesting, because you will find people say the craziest shit about you, when you’re in the sales room when they don’t even know who you are. But when you exude some sort of energy that they don’t have, they want to bring you down. And interestingly enough, that isn’t about, like you or them or anything, that is the experience, you have to get stronger by understanding that these things are happening so that you can face your own, you know, whatever growth patterns that you have to face. And they have to do it so that they can understand that it’s not the right thing to do that you don’t you don’t chop somebody down, right? Yeah, the same debate goes with bullies, a lot of people will talk, you know how bullying is bad. But bullying teaches the bully a lot. And it teaches the one that’s being bullied a lot, and everyone has these experiences. So you know, it’s an interesting jump, how I went there, but it you know, it, when you find your purpose, you understand that you are contributing properly in your realm. If your purpose has to do with avenging the weak, maybe you were bullied, and maybe without being bullied, you’d never have lived into your purpose, if you were a bully, who turned his life around, because he saw how terrible it was for the other people being bullied. And that leads you into your life purpose, go for it. You know, the world in society is so quick to point the finger at so many people about so many things, without understanding that every usually for the most part 90% of everyone who has ever perpetrated a crime or, or whatever, is at some point a victim in their own lives, either repeating a pattern, or you know, built up anxious or being, you know, having, you know, trying to take their power back from being a victim, whatever it is, again, the Battle of good and evil, what contrasts for the sake of the other to contrast. So when you talk about stepping into your purpose, if you’re a quote unquote bad person, once you understand that, that can’t possibly be true, and that you have the ability to step and move forward, you realize that the third dimension has always tried to make you look at your past and make you compare yourself to who you used to be. As opposed to living in a fourth or fifth dimension, where you compare yourself today to who you want to be. I look at myself today and say I’m not this person yet, I need to work on that, that that I need to go through this, this and this to get there. They’re in there. But since the entire world for the most part is coming from, I’m not this person, because I used to be that person. And that person is holding me back from becoming this next person. But that’s how you’re trained to think.

Unknown Speaker 29:03
So

Adam Walton 29:04
when the world decides it wants to wake up, like you keep trying to ask me about me, and I keep reflecting back to the world. Because I am not the person you’re interviewing. Even though I sit in this chair, you’re interviewing the experience, and I can share my experience or I can share a perspective of experiences. And you’re getting both and I ramble a lot, but that’s okay. People seem to like my voice.

Brandon Handley 29:27
I see what I want.

Unknown Speaker 29:29
You damn straight. Do

Brandon Handley 29:31
idea is it’s funny, you know, the experience, right? The the idea though, that we experience, time, or anything else, you know, and knowledge is that that is of course an illusion. Right? what we experienced right now is what we’re always experiencing, which is, you know, an eternity right. We’re experiencing eternity right now. just you know, how do you want to see it? Right? dia fulfillment piece, right is kind of still on getting that right. Do you feel more fulfillment in general? With this kind of wave waving?

Adam Walton 30:20
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a question for you as well. Sir. The fulfillment man, honestly, how can I put this fulfillment when you stop doing what they tell you to do smoking cigarettes, drinking booze, being debaucherous being an asshole, all the stuff that you’ve ever been taught to do in life, you know that small consumption of alcohol, when you put it all aside, and you realize that you’re so much more than what they told you to be? film, it’s massive. It’s absolutely massive suit. Like, I’m assuming that you haven’t picked up a drink in years. But when you put it down, you put it down. You never you never went back to it.

Brandon Handley 30:54
Yeah. happiest, happiest I’ve ever been. Yes. Childhood? I’d have to say right.

Unknown Speaker 31:03
And a lot of that

Adam Walton 31:04
a lot of that is tied into you. Aligning, not you quitting drinking, quitting drinking was a result of alignment. Look at our mutual friend,

Brandon Handley 31:12
Jeremy. Yeah, no. But it goes back to what you were saying though. Adam, I called for the person I wanted to be, versus maintaining the image of who I was. I said, Hey, you know what this isn’t? This isn’t who I want to be going forward. That’s right. It doesn’t it doesn’t this does not, you know, align to who I want to be going forward, who I want to be going forward, has all these capabilities. And one of the one of the capabilities is, is the strength to to say I don’t want to drink and I don’t want to hang out with everybody else and do the same things everybody else is doing. I want to be doing what I want to be doing on my own terms.

Adam Walton 31:52
And you did it. Yeah. And that’s pretty much how simple it is. It is. And there are so many people out there that will say oh, you know, addiction is this? How many times have I heard 1000 people say, quitting alcohol is one of the most painful and hard things to do. I was a seasoned drinker, and I stopped, right, right. And then you know what they say? Well, that’s you. That’s not everybody. And I say I can only speak from my experience, your experience. And anyone that says it’s hard is typically somebody who hasn’t gone through it. Or typically somebody who went through it the hard way and didn’t decide to look at it the easy way. Equally, I don’t look at it for themselves, they probably look at they did it for somebody else. They didn’t do it for themselves. You’re right, you’re right. There’s there’s a book out there called the Alan Carr, the easy way. And that is how to quit smoking. And I was a smoker. When I met you, I was also a cigarette smoker. I smoked a pack a day for years. It was disgusting. But when I was a kid, it’s just what you did, where I grew up, where I came from, you smoked cigarettes, the cool kids wore leather and smoke cigarettes, cigarettes, they’re not ridiculous. And there’s no more leather stores. And it’s also full pod to where the skin of another animal. And when you think about that, should it it is a bit peculiar where, anyway, you know, I’m my alignment, my journey and all that sort of stuff is is bringing me to where I want to be. And that is, I’m fully able to defend my position. I also don’t speak my position to the most part, I don’t find it’s necessary for me to communicate with anyone that may or may not understand me, I will talk to everybody on their level, I will answer any question that anybody has. And for the most part, I do my best to allow people to simply be, and you’ll find in that sense, too, that people will interact with you a certain way. And they will like you or they won’t like you no matter how enlightened or experienced you are. There is an energy working to you know, in, in in congruent with, you know everything where magnetically we’re all aligned or attracted. You know, there are times where you can take a magnet and you can pick up other magnets and that same magnet will push off other magnets, if you just lay out a ton of scattered magnets. Some will pick up and some will drop off that humanity, right. And if you flip a magnet that picked up, it’ll push off as well. So you’re not necessarily aligned with everybody at all times. But for the time that you are aligned, go for it, have your fun, do your thing. You know, but to have any expectations much more than that is foolish. If you want to grow with somebody do it. If you want to grow through people do it. Don’t hold anyone accountable to them living up to your expectations or fitting into your narrative and your reality. Grow and see who grows with you and see who you grow into and see who you meet on your growth journey. Because the alternative is to sit in front of the television when you’re not at work. And that to me is in bullshit. Because there’s so much more to everything than what they’ve allowed us to beat. The typical third dimensional person is somebody who is dating somebody, they don’t want to date at a job. They do. Don’t want to work at not making as much money as they want to make living in a house, they don’t want to live in addicted to alcohol, and not even realizing it. That’s your standard third dimensional individual or entity, anyone asking the question or trying to step out of that is, is, is drifting into fourth dimension. And anyone that’s actuating, and visualizing, and making real, what the secret, the secret to try to make you know, money off, when you try to make that real when you when you live in visualization. And when you live in actualization, you’ve stepped right out of it. Because here’s another thing too, when you’re living in third dimension, you are experiencing everything you’ve put the effort into experience. Therefore, everything that you have is a result of your physical actions towards the manifestations that you’ve created. You are living in the result of the effort that you’ve put in at any stage of life, basically.

Brandon Handley 35:53
Are you saying that the third dimension is a result of like physical activity? And the fourth and fifth are the result of other activities? No, they’re

Adam Walton 36:03
all mental. So the third dimension is not thinking for yourself. The fourth dimension is asking questions. The fifth dimension is believing.

Brandon Handley 36:10
I like that the third dimension is not thinking to yourself, the fourth is

Adam Walton 36:15
asking questions.

Brandon Handley 36:16
And the fifth is believing in yourself believing believing in yourself. And you know, when you’re saying, believe in yourself, you’re not talking about the confidence to do something and like, you know, go climb a mountain, believe in yourself. I don’t know, I would I yeah,

Adam Walton 36:33
I don’t let me pick up a car right now.

Brandon Handley 36:35
I mean, the theory says Yes, right. The theory does say yes,

Adam Walton 36:39
but what if I said to you, Brandon, I’m gonna give you one year, do whatever you have to do. But at the end of that one year, I want to see you on this exact day, next year, you’re gonna pick up a car, you can do that. And if everything is happening all the same time, then by the time one year rolls around, you and I are going to be standing face to face on the side of a car. It’d be a look car, like a 1987. Look car, so it won’t be too hard. You

Unknown Speaker 36:59
know? No, look,

Adam Walton 37:01
I’m not I’m not gonna push your buttons too hard. Or you go. And exactly, yeah, so you just pick that up, right? But you’ve hit the gym, you’ve done the training, you’ve you’ve understood, you’ve learned you’ve taken in the knowledge and you’ve picked up the car. But as it stands right now, Not a chance.

Brandon Handley 37:13
What else? That’s right. That’s what that’s for the thing. Is that right? So I mean, you know,

Adam Walton 37:17
manifestation, that is 100% manifestation in the realm that we live in. It takes a minute to go from here. I’m pointing at my brain, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know if he’s going to use the video for this. I’m pointing at my brain from here to here to tangible, right, that belt behind me on the wall. Before I had that belt, I wanted it. Right. And then what did I do? I earned some money. I called a guy, a shipping company picked it up. It came here, I manifested that belt and created it.

Brandon Handley 37:45
Sure.

Adam Walton 37:46
Anything that you want in this world, you create, right, I’m

Unknown Speaker 37:49
created.

Adam Walton 37:51
Now the thing is, we think we want things because we’ve seen them on TV. Imagine what you could create. If you could tap into source directly. like holy shit, I want that gergan slog right, you know what that is? But go ahead. Exactly. And then you just manifest it. And I was like, What the fuck is that? You’re like, it’s a gurganus log, you son of a bitch. You want it cuz you’ve never seen one before? Right? Right. But the minute your neighbor sees your gergan slug, he’s gonna figure out what it is. And he’s gonna get one make one do one? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So we grew up at a time to where, bro, you know, you and I probably didn’t have the coolest car in the parking lot. But we had a car in the parking lot when we were in high school. We didn’t have we didn’t have parents money. But we had our we had our efforts, you know, we pushed what we had. And we believe where we were. So we actuated based on what we believed.

Brandon Handley 38:41
Well, so so I want to I want to so I’m gonna jump in here, right? There’s two things. One thing is like, Alright, well, when you when you said, you know, kilos up a car. And, you know, the working theory is that I could do it today, based on you know, kind of what we’ve seen before, just out of the idea of like, you know,

Adam Walton 39:00
a mother strength

Brandon Handley 39:01
is everything, right? I mean, of course, yeah, but but right. But because because I don’t believe right now and myself enough to

Adam Walton 39:10
do the thing. Tapping matrix 100%. Now, you’re talking like fifth, you’re talking like sixth and seventh dimension. Because there are people that have done feats of strength on a regular basis. Right, but and there are also myths and stories and these people just tap into source immediately tap into source. You know, if you’re, if somebody is trapped under a car, I guarantee you can pick that car up. Sure. Because Because the physics go out the window, again, the matrix,

Brandon Handley 39:38
don’t bend the spoon that and then that I think that then there’s the you know, there’s the necessity that says, hey, you need to be able to do this. So source allows that to open for you. Right provides that for you. And then the other part now, this is this was a really eye opening moment. This was a conversation you and I had. Geez Adam, I think was a year ago. Driving around, and I was just leaving my real estate class. And I was talking to you about this teacher who was in there. Who was teaching motivational interviewing, which is something that I was really interested in. I was like, I mean, what are the odds that she’s in there? Right? What did you say? to recall?

Adam Walton 40:21
She was in there, because you needed her to be in there.

Brandon Handley 40:23
But you said, I said, What are the odds? And he said, 100%, right, the odds are 100% I was like, motherfucker, you’re right. Right. And, and, and, and then you said, something along the lines of she was in a, you know, because that’s the only way that you believe that it could happen type of thing, right? So it’s, you know, you create your life, and act upon it in a way that you believe you should be. And that’s the only way that it’ll happen. So until you change, what you believe in, and what you believe yourself to be capable of, you won’t take any actions towards it right type of thing. He won’t see it. Right. I think that’s the other part too, like until you believe. Right, you won’t be able to see it.

Adam Walton 41:07
Yeah. I mean, when you also when we talk, if you’re right about all that. And as I stutter, if we talk back to the car, right? The idea of you being able to pick a car right now, we agree that it could be done immediately. But we also agree that it’s more likely that you’ll be able to do it in a year, for sure. You know, Now, that being said, for you to be able to tap into source on a regular basis and pick up a car is not the purpose. For you to become the person that understands how to tap into source and to regularly pick up the car is the purpose of that we are not here to do the thing. We are here to become the person who can do the thing. So that’s the cool part. You know, how many times to and maybe this is just me, but every single time I’ve ever acquired whatever it was I wanted, when I bought the thing I don’t care about anymore? Yeah. You know, when I bought my first car, I was like,

Brandon Handley 42:04
yeah, that’s the journey. That’s the journey.

Adam Walton 42:07
That’s life, life is all about that thing. And now again, the car also, when I bought my first expensive car, I was, you know, fully immersed in the idea of the third dimension. Now, what you have validates who you are, which is total bullshit total.

Unknown Speaker 42:23
Self again, that’s,

Brandon Handley 42:24
you know, that’s gonna be that’s gonna be actually the same conversation this weekend with somebody we visited. You know, once you have a bunch of money, you realize you don’t change. Right? I mean, it doesn’t change who you are inherently, I mean, changes. I think it does change some things, right. It allows you the space to kind of fall into expansion, because you’re not as worried about a survival mechanism, right? It’s not necessary, though. That’s what that’s what that’s one thing I always like to point out like, so once you have enough money, you stop worrying about that. And you can start exploring some of these other things like spirituality, right? Well,

Adam Walton 43:07
here’s, here’s another thing, too, if you don’t have enough money, right, you you get stuck in that rat race, right? You can also say to yourself, I need more time. So I’m going to totally downsize my house, I’m going to take up a job at McDonald’s flipping burgers. And I’m going to make sure that my bills are paid and that there’s food on the table. And I’m going to spend every waking moment after that focusing on my craft, focusing on my message focusing on my person, and creating. So you don’t it’s not that we don’t have enough message or instant message. It’s not that we don’t have enough money. A lot of the time, it’s that we don’t know how to utilize our moment.

Brandon Handley 43:42
I think you hit on something there too. Right? Creating, right spend time creating. And I think that most people would would would say when you say, you know, they’ve got to create, they’ve got to be an author, they’ve got to be an artist, they’ve got to be something else. What is when you’re saying creator, what are you saying?

Adam Walton 44:03
Create?

Brandon Handley 44:04
Yeah, but I mean, you know, what’s that look like? I mean, it’s,

Adam Walton 44:08
yeah, it’s it’s a heavy word. Creating isn’t art. Like, a painter isn’t creating paintings. a painter is creating himself herself, themselves itself, we self whatever junction people want to use these days. a painter is creating, and the result of their creation is art. So somebody who is completely stuck in a job that they hate without with a spouse that they don’t care for, in a situation they don’t want to be in can start creating that moment by saying, I don’t want this anymore. They start creating, the more time you spend creating, the more, the more likelihood you’re going to succeed. Just like the more time you spent playing darts, the likelihood is you’re going to get better at darts. So, creating is becoming right and then if you want to Paint if painting is your creation, you start painting, you know, you start, you start with, with the materials that you have, you pick up a box of crayons, and you hammer it out and you work on your draw, you work on your lines, you work on your dimensions. And then from there, you, you know, you sell one of those things, you get really good, or you get noticed, or you upload it or you go on to Fiverr, you go wherever the world is completely open to anything that anybody wants to do, you can sell your painting, you can sell a class on how to paint, you can draw, you can do anything, you just have to find out how to get there, how to do it, whatever it is that anybody wants to do, they just have to do it.

Brandon Handley 45:35
But that also goes back to again, what you’re saying you got to believe in yourself, and you got to want to want to do it right. You have to believe in yourself, and then kind of take action towards it. Right? Just even if there’s just tiny steps, right? Yeah, you know, sell something on Fiverr. Go to Fiverr. put yourself out there, right? To be found. Right, of course. And you believe that?

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Why not you

Adam Walton 46:06
a fun story about Fiverr. I’m on Fiverr. And I went on there and I do writing I just two short stories. I do blogs, I do, you know, content, written content for coaching pages. And from there, I charge peanuts, you know, but every now and again, like just the random stuff that is fun for me to do and takes no time at all. I, I have some, it’s like 30 or 40 bucks a page, right for 500 words, which I’ve undercut everybody, but from there, it’s blown people away, when they kind of understand when they kind of do some research on who I am. Like, why would I be on Fiverr? Why would this be a thing? Like why would because the perception of who I am, as you know, on the internet a lot bigger than who I am right now. I’m just a dude, that’s all I am. But it’s funny, because from Fiverr, I get paid to practice writing. Right? Right, because I can, here’s the thing, I can write whatever I want. But you know, when you have an idea in your head, you don’t believe in yourself or whatever it is, when you’re just getting started on any one thing. It’s hard for you to be like, I have some ideas and I want to craft but when somebody says hey, can you write this, this and this, these are the things I want to talk about, this is the thing I want to do. But and then you’re you’re on it, you’re like, Alright, I got this figured out, then you go do it just like it’s easier to help everybody else. And it is to help yourself.

Brandon Handley 47:16
Now that’s right, you know, and I love I love that you brought that up. You know,

Adam Walton 47:20
I want to finish that thought though, too, though. God. So from from Fiverr. For anyone listening from anyone jumping out, the real reason I’m there is because it’s free advertising, I have acquired five people specifically that have gone into my full program from a $5 ad they’ve dropped 25 K, right. So you can’t judge anything, you can’t judge anything on anything, you should just be wherever you need to be to fish wherever you want to fish to eat whatever you want to eat, and have fun with it experience and drop every single idea in your head that you think is a certain thing and just go and run and be free.

Brandon Handley 47:58
All right now that’s that’s really cool. I love that. I love that you’re doing that. And and, you know, the perspective there. Makes me think about again, like, you know, kind of podcasting right makes me think of the idea of you, when you if when you interview me on your podcast, it’s easier sometimes. Right? Just you’re just the one if you’re the one asking me the questions, it’s easier for me to come up with the answers. Because those are some things there’s some questions I might not answer, or think of on my own as valuable content or anything else. But when somebody else asks you a question, it comes out so naturally, right? Just like when you’re writing for somebody else asking you to write for them. It’s, it’s just coming right through. Mm hmm.

Adam Walton 48:42
I think that’s funny too. Because, you know, you’ve been on my show, and and it is it is it’s different in, in, in in so many aspects because on this show, too. I you know, I love doing these shows, because it is always me that’s, you know, steering the show or running this or asking the questions, but I have the opportunity on the show just simply to answer your questions. You know, and, and, and I love I love the creativity because it is it’s identical again, you and I can have a conversation. Right, your show is your show, My show is my show both are a little bit different. My show is certainly a little bit more out there than your show. I like to talk about little green men. You know, I like to I like to be able I like to be able to expand on every single topic and tie it all back into source because there is a truth in everything. Sure. And that you know, that’s a fun that’s a fun conversation I have now like I said I don’t have your fancy artwork but I do have you know I do have the joy the gift the gap. Another fun thing too is you don’t have to be doing anything like nothing has to be sitting there like I was teaching you guys how to podcast long before I even had a podcast. And that was because I had the you know, I had to know how I had the knowledge but to me I was rammed with other things. I had different stories in my mind. You know things I wanted to accomplish things that I had set out in the in the initial states. I’ve always said, I’ve got to get this going. And it’s very important that people have it. But how do you how are you to be taken seriously, if you’re teaching something that you’re not following through with, which was ends because of you guys that I said, I have to have this podcast. So I’m going to keep teaching people that this is the way to have the message out there. I need to have the message out there. And I was teaching off stat, therefore, I was saying, These are the things that I know not obviously through Sam, all that other stuff as well. But for me, you know, to launch into just do it. Like it’s it’s such a wonderful world to be on the other side of it. Once you you know, once you cross over that, that doesn’t even matter. 1010 podcasts, 50 podcasts, 100 podcasts, every single podcast, you get better.

I mean, the first podcast, ladies and gentlemen is funny because it is just you sitting in front of a mic in front of your computer going,

Unknown Speaker 50:46
I don’t know what I’m doing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 50:49
100%

Adam Walton 50:50
and then you’re and then you’re out and then you’re rocking. And then you know, you and I know right now that there’s an audience right now listening, they’re sitting there, they’re enjoying their night. And this is the entertainment that they’ve chosen over television, and I’m so grateful and thankful for that, to be the truth and to be the new reality in which you and I reside. I love that. Every single one of you listening right now, you are amazing. You’re amazing.

Brandon Handley 51:11
100% I mean, you know, listen, I think about I’m thinking about the Jim Rohn stat piece that just says, you know, focus on the few, right, I don’t care. This one’s not about going out and getting numbers. This one’s about connection. You know, there’s podcasts, this podcast is about connecting with people who are either on the brink of an awakening or just kind of somewhere along their spiritual journey, or just coming along. Right? for the ride. And and

Adam Walton 51:49
where do you think you are? on your journey, right? Now, if you were to say, if I were to say, Are you enlightened? If I were to say to you, on a scale of one to 10? How far up? How far up? Do you think you are?

Brandon Handley 52:01
Like a three? Yeah, because let’s just like you said earlier, there’s so much there’s so much. And I’m just barely beginning to scratch the surface. Right? Where I’m just, I’m just starting to just starting to scratch the surface of my own potential reality, my inner self. Who or what I think the universe is all that all that stuff, man, how about you? It’s good question. I like it.

Adam Walton 52:30
Man, I say the same thing. You know, I’m a three, I’m a four. And that’s an ignorant statement for me to make, because that’s only being able to base things off where I have been. Right, right. Right,

Unknown Speaker 52:41
for sure.

Adam Walton 52:42
You know, and and, you know, I don’t know, I don’t know how far I can go, you know, you know, that’s why I say low. You know, I say low because, you know, three or four fours high three would be decent. But I mean, we could be at point two, you know, for sure.

Unknown Speaker 52:56
Right. Right.

Adam Walton 52:56
Or, you know, we could be at 10. Like, this could be it. Here we are, you know, it’d be weird if it was because that drop off. But you know, I have so many more questions, and I have so many more things I want to experience and journeys that I want to go on. I wake up every morning excited. You know,

Brandon Handley 53:14
you know, here’s what I’ll tell you. I am though I am not as much about the question so much as I am about enjoying the experience and just being

Adam Walton 53:25
Yeah. And that’s it. But that is the question. You’re living in it. For sure. Your that’s your question right now. That’s what’s cool.

Brandon Handley 53:35
Yeah, it’s a it’s a look, it’s it’s a it’s been great. It’s been perpetual. And it’s been it’s been, there’s been more joy, and there’s been more fun in it. I think, then there’s been a long time. I think you also mentioned a little bit earlier, not necessarily about societal pressures, but you know, doing the thing that everybody says you’re supposed to be doing, versus letting go of all that shit. Right? And not having all that pressure. I think that that’s huge, too.

Adam Walton 54:08
I agree with that. I agree with that. Once you you know, once you instead of viewing peer pressure as a pain point, you get the opportunity to view it as a lesson. It’s cool. If you say to yourself, why would I be concerned about I don’t know. Anything. Really? Why would I be concerned about this? Like, Hey, man, have this drink? Well, you don’t drink like fuck, you know? Why would it be like oh, I really should. What weakness inside me says I really need to do what Chad’s doing. Right. I’m gonna pick up my hacky sack and just play because my name is Chad. Right? That’s, you know, no offense to the Chad’s listening. That’s just running.

Brandon Handley 54:46
Sorry, Chad. Yes, sir. Chad. Yeah, you

Unknown Speaker 54:49
know who you are.

Unknown Speaker 54:51
But that’s

Adam Walton 54:52
so funny. You can’t say that name without it being funny. It is what it is man. It is what it is. You And and like you said, waking up and just being like, you get this opportunity to be like, I want to learn my lessons, I want to understand why I think the way I think I don’t want to blindly accept that I think the way I think, because one of the coolest things about stepping into purpose and stepping into a higher dimension mentally and physically is that you understand that you’re not having thoughts you’re experiencing them. Much like the radio isn’t creating music. It’s tapping into a frequency and amplifying it. So, you know, all that self hate and self doubt you’re receiving that from somewhere, step your frequency up and you’ll start receiving different messages.

Brandon Handley 55:37
Yeah, it’s a shared a lot. I put the book on my reach, where is it power versus force sent you the link actually, to his like, subsequent, he’s guys got a lot of books, David, David R. Hawkins. I sent you that book on surrender, which is super awesome. But in that book, he’s got like a map of consciousness. Right. And that’s kind of one of his big, big pieces that he’s contributed, I think, to to kind of where we are, and what you call like the, you know, ripping of the veil or whatever, right, the thinning of the veil, whatever you want to call it. I feel like he’s contributed quite a bit to that. Because there’s a there’s a, there’s a map of consciousness, right, here’s where you are. And if you kind of, if you can leverage that and see where you are, you can kind of know where the next step is. Yeah. Which I think is really great. And, yeah, you know, if you’re feeling hate and anger and frustration with your with the world, chances are you’re feeling that with yourself. Right? And how do you want to address that?

Adam Walton 56:39
Yeah. And if the world is showing it to you, it’s something you need to overcome, because it’s all that’s also your fault. Right, right. Now, I’ve also I’ve been on the hook so many times for victim shaming, is that the term I don’t know what it is, were you like, you’re like, like Dave Chappelle, He’s, uh, he made the joke, Oh, she got, you know, assaulted. And he’s like, wow, what was she wearing? You know, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t put myself in that category. But I get I get the finger pointed a lot at me for that sort of stuff. Because again, you can misplace humor, you can do whatever you want, the world seems to want to live in its own narrative and drag everybody else in through theirs. Sure. And for me, it you know, it’s it’s, it’s a certain it’s a sensitive point, but it’s a certain one, like, if I’m out drinking all the time, there’s a there’s a high likelihood that I’m gonna get punched in the face. It for history never happen. Or there’s certainly a higher likelihood that I’m going to get punched in the face being out drinking, then if I’m in having intellectual conversations with individuals, for sure. If you love the idea of being out drinking, and if you want to get mad at me and said, Well, what you can’t be drunk and have an intellectual conversation, man, you can do whatever you want, anywhere you want in life at any point, right. But what I will say is if you want more out of life, you’re going to come into certain circumstances and situations that change the way you specifically do business. And once you get to the other side of how you’ve done that, you can look back and say, Man, I got punched in the face, because I was out drunk, running my mouth, you know? And that’s it. Which means I’m the victim of assault. But it’s because I was an idiot that it happened.

Brandon Handley 58:13
You’re the one who created the situation.

Adam Walton 58:16
Yes. And that’s not all of them. I’m going to put this in an Asterix Ladies and gentlemen, the world wants to you know, eat everybody alive right now. That’s for sure. Every situation. It’s not a blanket statement. That individual experience statement. Sure. No, no, no, I

Brandon Handley 58:29
get it. Right. Listen, that disclaimer, right?

Adam Walton 58:34
Exactly. I mean, there’s millions of people listening this podcast right now. I know. Right?

Brandon Handley 58:38
Listen to listen, they’re huge. They’re huge. And you know, I don’t want them I don’t want an avalanche on Adam’s House because he’s a dick.

Adam Walton 58:46
I spiritual dick

Brandon Handley 58:50
telling you that you got punched in the face and it was totally your fault. It is right you got you put yourself there and then look, man, there’s definitely situations where like, you know, people like well, this happened in the world and you’re saying that was their fault? Like, come on, man. The take it with a grain of salt. You are where you And hey, that could be your soul contract.

Adam Walton 59:06
Right? Yeah, that could be your soul contract. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 59:09
we don’t know, man that nobody knows. So for you for anybody to come up and say Yay, or nay. But I mean, you know, at least in our current level of understanding and experience to date,

Adam Walton 59:20
here’s an extra step to that soul contract. It could be your soul contract to be murdered me making you the ultimate victim, right? And then but it’s not. Your soul contract isn’t for you or for the murderer. It’s for the observers of everyone that witnessed you getting murdered. Right, and then you and the murderer, soul contracted into this to wake the world up. So the murderer has to commit a heinous crime of murdering and the victim has to create or has to be the victim of a murder. Both of them signed on to this so that you and me could witness this and change how we do life. That’s how soul contracts can work as well. For sure, you know, there are some extensive quantity that go into every single experience. It’s, it’s mind bendingly beautiful,

Brandon Handley 1:00:06
not 100%. Right? It’s life. Right. It’s it’s life. And I think that that in itself is beautiful. Just like you, sir are beautiful. So where can we send people to go hang out with Adam?

Adam Walton 1:00:21
There’s a lot of changes going on. But you can you can check us out right now, at the mental mastery. alliance.com. All of our social links are there. Everything’s there. We are just having fun with everything right now. Everything is tickety. Boo. So definitely come give us a check out if you like social media, if you don’t like the computer, that’s cool, too. We’re everywhere. We have our own podcast, all of its linked back to the webpage. So in the liner notes of this episode of my webpage was there then everybody would get to see what we’re all up to. And there’s a ton of stuff going on. So we encourage you all to pop by. And if you don’t want to do that, amen. Cool to

Brandon Handley 1:00:58
Adam, thanks for stopping on today. I

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
always enjoy the conversation, brother. Absolutely my friend. Great time.

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Who can you go to if you are looking for some Superhumanity Coaching?

You head over to https://sacredreality.org/ and connect with coach Shannah White.

Take a listen to our conversation to learn what it means to be love in motion as Shannah and I cover a variety of topics such as energy, relationships and becoming superhuman.

Brandon Handley 0:00

4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope and welcome back to another interview session with. I’m here today with channel wave. She is a super humanity coach. at Sacred reality his sacred reality is an organization that is making the mystical, practical. And what they’re doing there is they’re giving, helping you to create a paradigm of natural giving from an inner sense of wholeness, real intimacy, peace and freedom to be off in authentic and relationships, ease of self expression and communication, confidence and gentleness, sensitivity to love, within an inner guidance system for appropriate harmless action, and joyful alignment between inner purpose and one’s work within the community. And Shana, her coaching focus is on practical skills of mine that enable you to connect with your own inner spiritual resources by which you can naturally blossom in a wholesome sense of self worth, peace, joy, and freedom to be yourself and be in love with your life. This work heals your relationship with the self, which is the basis for all healing, and all other relationships. The foundation of the self awareness practice is summed up by coming to experientially understand all aspects of the following morning meditation, which I’m not going to read about that. How are you today?

Shannah White 1:35

I just have to make one correction. It’s Shauna,

Brandon Handley 1:38

Shauna, you know, it’s so funny. It’s so funny. I totally ignored intuition. When I was like, I asked her This is Shana or Shan Shan. Hundred percent, not not even not even a lie. Like I was like, let’s just kick it off. So you got a shout out. Thank you so much for for being here today. And I love I love I love the I love the piece about super humanity. Let’s Um, so I’d like to start this off with the idea that source speaks to us, right? divine energy, we are conduits for the universe. And the idea is that you are speaking to somebody who is listening today. This message only flew for them through universal source. What does that message?

Shannah White 2:28

Oh, what is that message today was a message we have right

Brandon Handley 2:31

now what’s called source?

Shannah White 2:33

Aha, thank you.

Shannah White 2:36

Gosh, well, I suppose messages that you are loved in motion. And yet, I understand that you may not know how to experience that in yourself. But it’s simpler than you think. It’s not as far away or as complicated as we make things with the complexity of our thought process and the way we tie our emotions into our thought process.

Shannah White 3:07

It’s really

Shannah White 3:10

giving yourself permission to relax completely out of thinking. And there can be fear involved in doing that. But if you can open up a space where you can relax, and let your thoughts also relax. And then move your feelings and sport. Actually, you know, there’s a transition from thinking to feeling because we even think in order to experience ourselves, we experience ourselves through imaging. So it’s really like, the step is to turn off the imaging. Maybe you notice how you feel yourself where your sense of self is, like, I’m familiar with feeling my sense of self behind my eyes, if I’m in my head if I’m thinking and then shifting out of that place, turning off the visual processing, and moving that awareness and feeling into the body. Like for me below the jaw, maybe I start with back my head, let him move down into my being and just become curious what there is to feel in this space. And this is already the beginning of peace possibly mean really depends on who. Well, people can have challenges you might have emotional energy builds up in your fields. So that might be the first thing that you notice that you feel when you get yourself to To just feel. But as we go deeper in this experience of just feeling without thinking, and breathing, allowing the breath to be the navigation device for our feeling,

Shannah White 5:18

which means for instance,

Shannah White 5:22

I can breathe right now and feel like

Shannah White 5:27

everything in letting the breath, open up my middle back and feeling what my middle back feels like. But I’m not just feeling the physical quality of my middle back, I’m also feeling the kind of emotional or energetic quality in that space in my being. So and then just being with what I feel, noticing it being curious, and being so something magical happens just from us showing up to witness what we feel. And emotion can clear just from being with that process. So that’s the beginning and stop, where I’m ultimately looking to end up. There’s no end really, but where I’m looking to go is deeper inside the center of my chest with this feeling quality. So after I feel a sense of ease in the hole of my body, then I will pull myself deeper inside or bring my focus, look inside with my feeling, not with my visual, but look inside with my feeling into the center and my chest. Now just keep going deeper and deeper and deeper into that center. So it’s, it’s kind of deeper, like the center is maybe four inches in or whatever. But I’ll go deeper than those four inches into that very center. And I just keep going deeper until this warm energy ignites of its own accord.

Brandon Handley 7:08

So this is kind of a description of love and motion, right, you are loving motion. And that’s kind of the journey to and through it. And some of the experiences that you’ll feel throughout that process.

Shannah White 7:18

This is the description of how to connect with love energy. The to become loving motion is, you know, every time we move, okay to become loving motion is to listen to the energy of love, to find our movement to inspire our movement. In every moment, we’re listening to a voice inside us, that is telling us what to do. And that’s either the voice of our history, the way we’ve learned to process it through our personal reality, which is unfamiliar calling that the ego. Or we’re listening to the voice of spirit, the voice of the heart, this love energy that comes from the center of our core, but we have to be available to hear it. When we’re all busy in our head. and pulling from our history and getting emotionally involved in the way we’re thinking about things. Our attention is all in the outer sphere of our being and on the material plane. Our attention is like a spotlight. So if you’ve ever noticed that, perhaps you’ve gotten a bruise and you don’t know where you got it from.

Shannah White 8:39

All the time, all the time.

Shannah White 8:42

Well, for me, that’s proof that my attention is like a spotlight and my attention was so exclusive on something else that I didn’t even notice that I hurt myself that is on there.

Brandon Handley 8:54

That’s all like that. I like that. Yeah, so God.

Shannah White 8:57

Yeah. So when we’re our attention is all focused up in here. We’re looking away from and not listening from, we’re looking away from our feeling sense. And yet our feeling says comes back around and becomes full of our emotional reactions to what we’re thinking. So there’s another layer of distraction. So this way, we have this kind of unplug the thinking and let the feeling sense clear. It’s like all the ripples on the water just settle out in the water becomes still and then in the stillness. Now we can start to hear like heart music

Shannah White 9:36

in the center.

Shannah White 9:39

So it’s a

Shannah White 9:43

it’s a listening skill, inner listening skill. But then when we can listen and actually start to feel that love energy. Then we have somebody to work with for how do I move in This moment as when when we go to do something, the first thing is going to happen is we’re going to go back up here because we have a whole library of ideas that we chest of how to handle different situations. So we reach for typically, we reach for the easiest thing that we know how to do, right? So it takes patience and practice, but we can learn, we can rewrite our choices about what we trust, for how to move. So here’s a really great way to think about it actually. It’s whether we reach for the known, or for the unknown. Because the unknown is basically like we reach for something from memory could be a belief, well, I don’t know what else it would be actually, because we started because we believe that we thought, Hey, this is good, I’ll use this again, right. But the place, the alternative to that is a place where we are hanging out in the inner and I call the inner unknown, where we are choosing not to go for what we know from before. And instead, we’re allowing ourselves to say, Hi, this is a completely new moment. And I do not know, based on history, I do not know, let me feel what do I feel right now.

Shannah White 11:22

Jeff becomes our

Shannah White 11:25

vehicle for discernment.

Shannah White 11:30

So but then also, when we practice feeling that love energy in our center, and then we choose to move to our day, with the patience to wait in the unknown before we move. And to wonder what our What are feeling sense has to tell us about this moment, then we start to find that we can move in alignment with love energy.

Brandon Handley 11:57

I like the idea of feeling sense. All right, what does that what does that mean? Right? And what is what is feeling sense? Because, you know, I get the feeling and I sent something, right? Is this an internal external feeling? You know, just to expand a little bit on what you mean by feeling sense?

Shannah White 12:17

Sure. Okay. So the feeling sense is our intuitive sense, it’s our ability to read energy.

Shannah White 12:28

And

Shannah White 12:30

our feeling sense, is also where our emotions register. I think of emotions as the energetic feedback from our thoughts. So when so it’s like an instrument, this feeling senses like an instrument. And I feel it from my jaw, to my belly button, in a sphere. So I also also actually feel like I feel sometimes I feel like I feel energy kind of behind and below my arms. So it’s not limited to the body. I do feel like in order to use my feeling sense, I have to bring my attention inward. If I look outward, thinking, I’m going to feel something out there. I lose my feeling sensitivity. And the energetic sense that, you know, emotion can just come and find you.

Shannah White 13:29

Where you are. Right?

Brandon Handley 13:32

Well, you know, I’m a little caught up in the idea of the Taurus right now. Like there’s a toroidal field. Right? And, and so, you know, if you’re looking anywhere outside of yourself, you’re kind of fumbling and signals may be weaker, whereas when they come into your core, that’s your receiver. Right? So I mean, to me, like, you know, that’s, that’s where the, that’s where the signals being sent, it’s a matter of tuning yourself to, to signal, right, and especially if you’re not familiar with this space, if you’ve never been taught how to tune in the first couple times, you start to tune in, it’s gonna be real weak, right? I mean, just like, again, is eerie and funny as it was at the beginning of our conversation, I had an inner sense that I should ask you, how should I pronounce your name? Right? And I totally ignored it. But now I’m like, right. And so it’s when we it’s, it’s these small recognitions of catching those moments and jotting them down and remembering that that just happened, that you begin to develop that ability to tune in more and more often, and that’s going to come to the inside though. Does that sound fair?

Shannah White 14:52

Yes. But I think so part of what’s going on in what you’re talking about when you say writing it down. You You’re taking the time to process what happened, which allows you to, to actually incrementally increase your trust in that. And then you’re like, Oh, I can trust that. So then next time, you might be more interested in listening. And the other thing is that there’s a Would you agree that there’s an element of do blow right past, like do rush to be rush past the intuitive hits? versus exercise in patience in the unknown? And say, Wait, I just felt something that would you say, that’s part of the,

Brandon Handley 15:41

you know, I am, I am so bad at waiting on anything. So, patience, as I was growing up, I was always taught patience is a virtue. I given to the idea of of letting things unfold. Right. I love the Buddhist, you know, one of the sayings is the flower blossom thing, right? If you’re trying to squeeze the bud of a flower to accelerate it blooming, that doesn’t, that doesn’t do it, right. So you can’t squeeze that you got to let it unfold on its own. So I agree with you that it’s just a matter of stop doing right start being

Shannah White 16:20

and allowing the sign and waiting like that, right, I will either move slow enough that I can process it and say, wait a minute, I just heard something, right? Or I won’t. And I’ll be like, Nope, sorry, I’m reaching for the nearest file and made a structure for this one.

Brandon Handley 16:41

Right, right. No. And I think that that comes that comes with time, and I love I love the idea of,

Unknown Speaker 16:49

we don’t have to

Brandon Handley 16:49

slow down, we need to calm down, right? And just let the things come to us again, instead of trying to accelerate anything. We were actors in this whole thing, right? We are, you know, our lines are given to us or coming to us and and we’re kind of acting them out. And we’re following our intuition. But if we can slow down a little bit, we can enjoy it a little bit more,

Unknown Speaker 17:17

right?

Brandon Handley 17:18

And we can allow for it to blossom. And I don’t even like that I don’t like evolve anymore. I don’t like leveling up anymore. Words like that. To me. That’s just Where are you? Right? Where are you not above or higher than anybody else? You’re just you are becoming more aware of what already is? So that’s right. I mean, there’s everything, you know, everything already exists. It’s just what’s our awareness of it.

Shannah White 17:47

That’s true. That’s true. What do you mean by work? factors? Enter? Right?

Brandon Handley 17:54

Yeah, I don’t know. I’m just, you know, just kind of throw stuff out there. Again, like, so, you know, when we started this things off, right? Like, what’s coming through us isn’t sometimes even necessarily for us. Right? The acts that we do and given sometimes we’re like, Why don’t just do that. And I’ll use an example. Like, I wrote something out last week and shared it and like, I didn’t, didn’t honestly put much effort into it social media posting, like, Oh, my God, I got to get a post out today, because I’m on a schedule, my train is going to be late, that kind of thing. Um, so anyway, I put a post out there. And yeah, I put some thought into it. But again, just nothing crazy. And somebody reached out to me, a friend of my friend of my wife’s, she goes, she goes, can I use the words that you wrote there? I was looking for something to you know, say it. My mother’s wake about my mother. And this was, this was it and this is like a day or two before and she’d been struggling find these these words. I was like, by all means, right. I was like, obviously, that wasn’t for me.

Unknown Speaker 18:59

Right.

Brandon Handley 19:00

And it’s like, the only you know, one or two people that saw or liked the posts. And, you know, that’s what that was for. So we’re kind of actors where we are receivers. And it’s kind of like, um, we can act on our intuition or we can ignore it. Right. And I find that when we act on it, we tend to be doing somebody else outside of ourself. Some good

Shannah White 19:28

right? Right. I was talking about this with someone today that I feel like we could think about I don’t mind the word God, but could be universe could be love of capital L could be whatever. Sure. Um, but

Shannah White 19:44

I was thinking about that.

Shannah White 19:48

Loving motion is actually God’s thoughts coming to be expressed sure that it’s not just us that we’re, you know, are you I think from my perspective, so that looks like one person. We’re all in this ocean of thoughts moving. And we can either like stick your head out of the ocean and be like, I’m gonna think my thoughts, my little thoughts, you

Unknown Speaker 20:10

know, be the wave, right?

Shannah White 20:12

Go library, right? Or I could just ride slow flow in this ocean and be part of a dance that includes everyone who’s willing to relax, and also feel the flow and flow in the flow. Yeah. And then things like that happen. Which is beautiful. That’s beautiful.

Brandon Handley 20:34

Yeah, when it open, when it opens up, it’s great, right? And that’s just the, the constant awareness, developing an awareness, being open to it. And all of that fun jazz, I want to talk about you and your super humanity coaching, let’s talk about, let’s talk about what it means to be a super humanity, coach, give me a one to know all about it.

Shannah White 21:01

Okay, so first of all, what we were just talking about actually does touch a little bit on what I’m indicating, by the word, super humanity. where, you know, it’s natural for the human being to be an extension of love, or to be loved in motion. But we are not taught how to use our minds to enable this way that we’re indoctrinated in, in a when we’re young, I think from our head, and to distressed, shuts down our capacity to, to experience the energy of love in our center. And we’re also taught that all the following ways you become an expert is by consuming information outside yourself, and then get a badge that says, Look, I consumed all this information outside of myself, I am now authorized to regurgitate it to you and you have to listen because now I’m an expert.

Brandon Handley 21:58

Right? I think and we were talking about this before, right? How annoying is it? Like you have to you have to run around you have to go pick up a certificate for from somebody or somebody be like, Listen, I can do this because I I consumed all this stuff guy Kiko.

Shannah White 22:10

Right, right, where there’s this whole other level of authority and knowledge that comes from within, you can’t get by consuming from without. So this is where this is where super humanity comes in. Because it’s our heart center is a portal to connect with the divine. And that is beyond the definition of human that has been created by the mundane materialistic focused world, the the outside in focus world. So super humanity calls to, for calls out this experience of being human that is beyond what the world has defined as human and humanity. Where it’s about letting go of your beliefs, getting out of the belief, emotion, dynamic of personal reality. And actually, walking in service to love energy, it really feels like walking in service, because it’s not about what I want from a little I place. It’s about feeling letting this energy come in and, and move you but what’s really wild, okay, is that before experiencing this, it feels like, Oh, no, I’m going to give up my self, I’m going to give up my will. I’m going to be I’m going to sacrifice myself to be in service. But when you actually experience it, it doesn’t feel like that. It feels like oh my god, I feel so aligned, and peaceful and relaxed in myself. And I feel fullness from my wants instead of wanting in a way that I feel empty and needy. And these wants become like, Oh, this is what I’m creating. This is what I’m becoming.

Brandon Handley 24:13

So I love I love that. Right. So I mean, a big key of this is you’re working to teach other people how to create. Yes, yeah. Look, I used to listen to a YouTube channel all the time called you are creators. Right? You are creators. I mean, what else are you right? If we’re here and live, let’s use the Bible since everybody else using it. You know, you are made in His image. And you know, what does he do? He creates,

Unknown Speaker 24:42

right, right.

Brandon Handley 24:44

So what do you do? And you know, we’ve been taught to consume, right? Yes. But then if we look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, right, the top the pinnacle of that is to self Express right to self reliance, self reliance, which is the suffix Which is to create something that will, you know, expression is that what, what’s within you? Right? So and let that out and create something, bring it to reality. And that’s self realization is to bring yourself to the to reality. And how do you do that yourself is inside of you, right?

Shannah White 25:23

Yes. Right? Well, so there can be self confusion because we identify with whatever we experience. Mm hmm. So, and that’s where it gets tricky, because people can feel like they’re expressing themselves when they’re throwing a temper tantrum. temper temper tantrum because they didn’t get what they want.

Brandon Handley 25:42

Sure, sure. There’s definitely so there’s self expression. And then there’s, there’s there’s a emotional outburst?

Shannah White 25:51

Yes. Right. So it’s the question of what is the self? And who? Who do I think I am in this moment? Am I feeling identified with a sense of perception that’s based on my history, and my emotional definitions of comfort? Or have I surrendered that sense of self, and I’m grounded in feeling that love energy and the clarity that comes from that love energy, which could be called truth. And that, and then I’m feeling like, these things that are coming through me through my core, instead of from my head? Through my core, are myself. Right,

Brandon Handley 26:35

your energetic self? Is that you know, the term does that, what would you would say?

Shannah White 26:41

Yes, it’s definitely energetic.

Brandon Handley 26:43

Versus versus the egoic. Self, right? Like, I don’t, I’m not really good with, I’m discerning between, like, you know, you know, because to me, the the mind is, I guess, the ego itself, right? That’s the piece. It’s like, latching on to everything and things that, you know, again, that, that it’s a part that it’s what’s doing all the things, right. But the mind is a tool, right? And anything that you can observe is outside of you. And if you can observe the mind, then, right? I mean,

Shannah White 27:16

right, that’s true, you can observe the mind you are not the mind.

Brandon Handley 27:20

But yeah,

Shannah White 27:21

I do consider the mind to be the entire chakra system, okay. And so I think of the ego as a mode of using the mind number one, it’s a mode, okay. And number two, it’s also the library of files that we stored, while using the mind in that mode. Okay, so in that mode, we’re not feeling love. So we’re storing beliefs about about a, an experience of self and the world that doesn’t have love in it. And this is why it becomes scary, to let those ideas go and becomes scary to do something else. Because we think, Oh, this is a scary world. This is a loveless world is a scary world. And we store these beliefs, because these beliefs are part of our survival strategy in this loveless world. So if someone comes along and says, You don’t need to keep those beliefs anymore, yeah, kind of like, I’m not sure I believe you

Brandon Handley 28:27

will take away my things, right? Don’t take away my stuff, I worked really hard to get all this crap to I like to carry around. And you know, it’s very important to me that, you know, when I go down this alley, I’m scared and terrified. Right?

Shannah White 28:42

So, so yeah, it takes a while. We’ve also learned in that state of mind to trust ourselves are, in other words, trust our ego self. Which is a feeling like I trust myself, and I just trust everything else. But when we’re looking to switch modes of mind, so that we’re not functioning from memory and imagination, and pulling from ego files, and instead, we’re hanging out in the unknown, not going for me to files, and then feeling and then trusting the voice of love, to give us discernment. That voice of love is we have a relationship, we are never the voice of love, we are in relationship with the voice of love. So and it changes the quality of our sense of self. But there is a requirement of trust in order to be in that relationship. When we’re in the ego mode, we are not required to trust. So when we’re used to not trusting, transitioning to Okay, I’m not going to pick up any of my stuff that I’ve accumulated for survival, and instead I’m going to trust this other voice. That’s not me. It’s bigger than me. Not mean,

Shannah White 30:02

that’s that takes courage to do that.

Brandon Handley 30:06

use that word courage to? Because I’ve been reading force versus power. Are you familiar with that book? power? So that topic. So have you ever seen the, the the map of consciousness map? right you’re seeing that now. Okay so David deep dives Dr. David Hawkins I think I’m saying the guy’s name right. And and it talks about the the map of consciousness and basically the different levels from like, you know, feeling like you know, total crap and worthlessness, right, and how it registers it, like, you know, sub 200. And all the things that are under like, 200 consciousness map goes up to 1000, all the things that are under 200 are the things that kind of eat away, chew and tear away at you, right?

Unknown Speaker 30:55

But 200

Brandon Handley 30:58

is the tipping point towards, you know, getting you into a more involved and more integrated sense of being in love and life and all that other stuff. But the tipping point is courage. Right? So 200 is courage and courage. lets you step into your greatness, right? Your sweat your super humanity self. Right? So, okay, that’s why I love the word courage. So thank you please go on. Will Tell me tell me what, you know, if I, if I’m doing a super humanity coaching session, what’s that look like?

Shannah White 31:37

Okay, well. So, in my mind, there are two categories of what people need. On the one hand, they need education. And on the other hand, they need

Shannah White 31:51

company on their journey.

Shannah White 31:54

So I do work with people. In both capacities. I work with some people just in one on one sessions, that are focused on timeline traveling with them with whatever their questions are. And I’m helping them to understand their self experience, within the model of self, that we are a vessel to express love. And that when we are not connected with that, we suffer from many stresses in the mind, and many illusions of how we understand things, or is this relationship trying to have a romantic partnership, when you don’t feel your heart? You You were designed to be in partnership with love. So we try to be in partnership with love with that person. And we try to see love out there. And then what happens is because we are in our head, and we’re thinking and we’re feeling around our thinking, and we like this person, that’s what we’re thinking. And we’re feeling them that we’re not actually feeling our own movement. So our source of joy is not internal. It’s not balanced, it’s out there. Now we’re leaving on this person. And leaning on this person accidentally produces control dynamics, control dynamics, now you have a friction of will, between two people. Either this person wants to be in the box that you’re making for them, or they don’t at some point, they’re probably not going to want to be exactly in the box the way they imagined it. And, but when they don’t want to be because this is totally tied to your sense of self worth, and your idea of love and all that kind of thing. Now, you can’t just have a conversation about Hey, that boxes the wrong shape. It’s, it’s, oh, Ouch, that hurts. You don’t love me. So there’s emotional layers, there’s will friction and it all comes back to the fact that this person is not actually feeling their heart. So their sense of their definition of love is skewed. And

Shannah White 34:13

so then, how do we correct that?

Shannah White 34:18

As a super humanity coach, I will give people exercises also to help them make transitions in their self awareness, to access that love energy inside. And a person can understand the difference. But it doesn’t do it to just understand that you actually have to feel that love energy and then suddenly you come back into balance. Suddenly your perception of what’s going on with you and your partner changes. Suddenly, the you know, the misunderstanding that was huge, becomes just one tiny little question that you might want to ask them and otherwise it’s no big deal. Right. So

Brandon Handley 35:03

if what you know, what are one or two of your favorite tools in this space that you like to use? If you don’t mind?

Shannah White 35:11

tools as an exercise? Yo, so

Brandon Handley 35:13

yeah, exercise What? So I would like to know, what’s an exercise that I could do? Well,

Shannah White 35:22

the, the first exercise that I would suggest working with that I always suggest working with actually is relaxing into a feeling place. So shifting out of thinking and into feeling. And I can do this with you right now, if you want to what I do with people is they investigate where they’re at, with how they can express themselves in those terms. And then I will make tailored suggestions for them. So let’s go. Okay, so how? What does your energy feel like to you and a sense of give a sense of where you were sitting? If you use your body as in that? Do you have a sense of where you’re sitting in your body?

Shannah White 36:10

Yes. Where is it?

Brandon Handley 36:14

Like, right below my belly button?

Shannah White 36:20

Okay, so do you have a feeling like you’re looking out at the world from inside?

Unknown Speaker 36:27

Yes.

Shannah White 36:29

And where are you looking at the world from?

Brandon Handley 36:32

My shoulders?

Shannah White 36:33

That’s interesting.

Shannah White 36:36

Okay, so um,

Shannah White 36:40

do you feel like that feeling of looking at the world?

Shannah White 36:47

Is

Shannah White 36:51

instead of feeling or is it a feeling quality?

Brandon Handley 36:58

Study feeling or a feeling quality is a

Shannah White 37:01

kind of instead of feeling like, looking instead of feeling? Or does it feel like it has a feeling?

Brandon Handley 37:09

Gotcha. Is it got like? I don’t think that. I don’t know, I’d say less of a feeling quality.

Shannah White 37:22

Okay, so can you then turn off the looking quality? And kind of bring our attention behind that, that behind it into the inner space of your body? And just notice, in First of all, can you turn off the looking quality and shift to Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:48

absolutely. I mean, yeah, I’m doing it right now as we’re talking.

Shannah White 37:51

Okay. Great. So then.

Shannah White 37:54

So then, what do you notice? was just with curiosity? I don’t know if it matters if you if you tell me.

Brandon Handley 38:02

Yeah, I mean, so I think something I notice is just immediately, more, more centered feeling right? Less scattered, more calmness and to get togetherness, right. So feeling versus this kind of like, um, wolf feel pulled out right now. It’s just kind of

Unknown Speaker 38:30

centered.

Shannah White 38:31

Right. So, um,

Shannah White 38:38

is that exactly easy to maintain?

Brandon Handley 38:45

I don’t know. Because this is really the first time I’ve experienced it. Right. So so as you know, and this is part of, I think, the whole journey, right? Like and coming to somebody like you say, and we’ve talked about the awarenesses this is something I’d never been, has been never been brought to my attention. Mm hmm. Right. And you and it’s really hard to put your finger on something, if you’re not aware of it. Yes. So I’m feeling it. Right. And I think that there’s like some pulsating, like, urge to be like, uh, but my energy’s always all over here versus here. Right. So now I’m just paying attention to it. So I don’t know. Nice.

Shannah White 39:29

So probably what I would do is I would say, Okay, we’ll play with that for a few days. And meanwhile, we would be talking about any thing, any of your experiences you have questions about.

Shannah White 39:44

And then

Shannah White 39:47

I, so I can either just see somebody in a session, or here’s somebody a session, we do it on the phone, or I do also work with people in a different format where there’s where you have private sessions like that. On the phone or in person, and then text availability, between sessions, and then also supportive educational materials that are tailored for what somebody is working on. So and if we were working in that format, then I’d be like, okay, play with that for a few days. And, you know, let me know a couple days how that’s going, right. And then depending on what you text me, I might tweak it, or suggest the next step, as I would recommend it. So, um, my

Brandon Handley 40:31

comments was to have like, a videos too, sometimes, or just like, any type of supporting materials type of thing.

Shannah White 40:37

Sporting materials of this player are written, I do have an interest in producing video. They are usually, like, for instance,

Shannah White 40:50

a three page

Shannah White 40:54

very nice. So that I

Brandon Handley 40:57

know, I know that sometimes what I’ll do, I mean, just, from my, from what I’ll do is like, you know, similar to you, right? If somebody is going through in a different space, and like, hey, how’s that going, like, Oh, I’m feeling this way or that way. And I’m like, oh, then, you know, try out this, you know, dispenza video, or Yo, you need this Alan Watts video, or, you know, this clip, or something of that type of thing like

Shannah White 41:19

that, except that I just write it on the spot.

Brandon Handley 41:22

Okay, I love that. I love that. And, you know, I want to highlight something here that we haven’t really talked about, is that you’ve been in this space, your entire life. Right? Like, you know, you kind of grew up in like this, you know, spirituality space. And, you know, you’ve been involved with it, I think, head on for how many years now? Like, I mean,

Shannah White 41:47

25 years with sacred reality.

Brandon Handley 41:49

Right? So I mean, you know, and I like to throw that out there for like, you know, the the authority of sense so that somebody doesn’t go like, What if she started yesterday and got a, you know, got a certificate? Because, yes, listen, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. But I want people to understand that. You’re not dabbling in this.

Shannah White 42:09

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I was, I guess it would be 31 years ago that I started with a course in miracles. And then, five years ago that I started the secret.

Brandon Handley 42:20

Are you still having into Of course, a miracle? So you think you got

Shannah White 42:24

I was writing about innocence. And I wanted to really cool, pull out all the nuances of my own understanding. Yeah. So. So I wanted to read about it. And I actually tried to find something out there in the world. But I found out that people actually have a surprising perception of innocence out in the world, it’s very much like, innocence is that beautiful, blissful, untainted state of childhood that then you lose it, and you can never get it back. And, and not only that, you wouldn’t want it back. Because people will just take advantage of you like it’s a weakness thing. And like, really, that’s what people think about innocence. Yeah. But I anyway, so I want to go off with

Brandon Handley 43:12

that. Where’d you land on innocence?

Shannah White 43:15

Oh, wow. So innocence.

Shannah White 43:18

Innocence is that place where it is, it’s the untainted state of mind. And children have it because they haven’t learned this trust yet. Until they do learn to this trust, and then their, their state of mind is chained to the lead of the show. So they taught to this trust. Well, they might have an experience they don’t understand that’s painful. And so they can learn to distress from that itself. But then there are people in their life to guide them. And it could be that people guide them in a way that he also does trust. But that’s not really going on, because our culture is not educated deeply enough. With with the wisdom that I think the word spiritual or super humanity stands for, to actually help a child fully resolved.

Brandon Handley 44:15

For instance, with a lot we lost half of that we got we got hold give me once. I’m going to pause this for a second record resumed. All right, awesome. So we lost two disconnected on the idea of, um, you know, the children experiencing trauma or something like that right? To?

Shannah White 44:38

Oh, okay. Okay. Right. So that you were saying that children don’t have to distressed and so I was saying that they can have a painful experience, and experience distress naturally from that. But parent or guardian, if they, if a parent or guardian can hold a space of innocence themselves. And show a child through understanding how to heal what happened for them in that painful experience, then innocence we maintain trust can be maintained. But here’s the other thing that’s really interesting is that childhood innocence tends to give trust away easily. Whereas the innocence of that we know we earn through discipline is the trust. It’s a trusting state of mind. When we give that trust to the inner voice of love, which a child doesn’t know how to do, yet, it takes

Shannah White 45:43

take something learn how to do that. Sure.

Shannah White 45:47

So So innocence is actually a strength when you can allow your mind to become peaceful and untainted. In other words, unguarded and not biased by beliefs. Just open. But, but it’s not open in a way that’s honorable, it’s open in a way that’s invulnerable. Because you’re listening inside. For that voice of love, which is state of innocence allows to happen, you actually have to practice innocence in order to discover your super humanity.

Brandon Handley 46:26

would you would you? Would you say that, um, it’s kind of like a non attachment and judgment free sense of being?

Shannah White 46:35

Definitely.

Brandon Handley 46:36

Right. I mean, that the innocence isn’t and then you know, again, being love emotion. No labels, no attachments, and no judgment is a kind of a state of innocence.

Shannah White 46:51

Right? Yes. Okay. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:55

that’s great. So

Shannah White 46:56

actually, is also allowing the voice of truth to tell you what something is.

Shannah White 47:03

Does that make sense?

Brandon Handley 47:04

Yeah. I mean, you give me an example of that. What was that? What’s that look like to you?

Unknown Speaker 47:08

Um,

Shannah White 47:10

well, what comes to mind is a very, very tiny example. Sure. I just went by really quick example. But in that moment, when you have that feeling to ask me how to grasp my name, but not in innocence would just trust that in books,

Brandon Handley 47:31

right. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I like it. Like, it’s so funny, though. It’s so funny how that happened. But yeah,

Shannah White 47:38

this this was just an example. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 47:40

like that. You’re right. Right. And it says what trust, you know, trust? And, you know, follow that up. That’s great. No, that’s perfect, right?

Shannah White 47:50

Yes. And if I might just answer your question from a few minutes ago. Um, so as part of my rumination on innocence, I did go look in A Course in Miracles which, which is an old friend, but I don’t, I have no, you know, phases where I don’t pick it up. And then I pick it up later. And oh, my God, it’s such a good book. Like, every time I go back to it, I actually get more out of it, because of the growth that I’ve experienced in between, has allowed me to come back to it and see it deeper. And then I’m like, Man, this is

Brandon Handley 48:19

good. Where was this? 20 years ago? Do you know so? Are you do you have like the the big one that’s got all three of the books? And it was it got the it’s got the text, the lessons, the daily, the daily lessons, and then it’s got the teacher mode in there as well as that, right? Yeah. So do I’ve only read it and done the lessons and by the way, like anybody that’s ever listened to this listen to this never ticked off course for articles, I highly recommend that you go through it’s one year worth of like, daily, you know, kind of lessons, really, there’s more of like, just this kind of moment to self reflect or take something in, right, just those daily lessons, but I’d have not read the or dug into the teachers aspect of it all. Do you find value in that

Shannah White 49:08

part? of book? I do? I do. I wouldn’t say I have it all committed to memory. But one thing that’s very interesting in that section is levels of trust, which has already come up in our conversation, because that’s really, what you’re what the journey is one measure of the journey. And and since you could if you could put the journey on one metric. It’s going to be the metric of what do you trust? And how is your transition of trusting the ego to trusting the voice of love going?

Brandon Handley 49:43

That’s great. That’s great. I love I love using trust as a metric. That’s cool. Very cool. So let’s talk about you know, a little bit about you know, making the mystical practical, right and Sacred reality lists, you know, what are a couple things that you do? Because that’s a big part of this podcast. Right? It’s bringing the the mystical and making it practical, right? How can you How can you take these kind of thoughts and ways of being and apply them to your daily life and have a more fulfilling life? Right. So let’s talk about a little bit of a couple of ways that you might be doing that sacred reality.

Shannah White 50:29

Okay, well, let’s see. Um, yesterday, I spent time with someone in India, he is an India. And I’m here in the United States, in New York. And this was our third chat, they were just chatting as friends, but I’m always ready to be a beginner choose, the opportunity arises. And I actually thought you might enjoy being on my email list. So I invited him to my email list. And he said that he didn’t want to be on the email list, because he was enjoying just the feeling of our organic conversation in the Facebook Messenger space. But the fact that he had this response, opened up a kind of honesty in our conversation that set a tone in his space. And so we continue to talk about things life, like dynamics and rst. But

Shannah White 51:41

I’ll actually here’s what it was, he told me.

Shannah White 51:46

He told me, we have a whole email, man email conversation, and it wasn’t a big deal. But he wanted to make sure I understood that because he didn’t want to reject me, you want me to feel rejected? And so I was explaining I feel understood. And he’s like, you know, I think I’m just weird today, because I’m feeling kind of off. I’m like, What do you mean? And he said, Well, I’m feeling like, I don’t know what I want to do. I don’t know what I don’t want to do. And I said, Would you like a suggestion? And so I, and he said, Yes. And I suggested, very much similar to what I had just guided you through. And I was focusing with him, I was focusing on the breath as the navigating agent for the feeling. And she didn’t want to do it, actually, because he could feel that there was going to be a bunch of emotion underneath the surface. So then, okay, fine. You don’t have to do it. But our conversation continued, and a little bit later in the conversation. Oh, yeah, that’s right. So he said, You know, I will say one thing, which is, I experienced you like a candle in the darkness. Why is that? And so I started to talk about I asked him some questions. But I also started to talk about holding the space of truth, energy, because that’s my understanding. That’s my feeling of what he’s feeling. And, and then, so as we’re just exploring this topic, then he comes back around, and he says, and as far as that breathing, feeling, exercise goes, it feels to me like holding your hand and going to sleep in this deep peace.

Shannah White 53:46

And

Shannah White 53:49

he felt he has not felt, in fact, our entire relationship started because I posted about innocence. And he wanted to talk to me about it. And he said, I I lost innocence, and I will never have it again. So that’s what are Are those the beginning of our relationship some weeks ago, but here in this moment together, just being really honest about what’s coming up between us. She actually found a place where he felt the peace of God or the peace of truth for the first time. And he did not expect to ever feel that or anything like that.

Brandon Handley 54:29

And that’s also like the the space of innocence. Right? So it was talking about, okay,

Shannah White 54:35

yes. And he felt it very briefly that he said that it was deep and real. And so why is this mystical? Right. I didn’t talk to him even though I was sharing with him about the energy that I’m that I’m holding that he’s feeling. The reason that he felt it is because I was holding So we were having a conversation that’s bringing his understanding along. But the actual the actual communication that allowed him to experience that level of peace was the fact that I was holding a frequency. And as he’s talking to me, his intuition, which is our intuition is always operating, even if we don’t know how to do it on purpose, right? his intuition is picking up this frequency of truth from my energy field, even though we’re seven or 8000 miles apart. And he allowed himself in that moment, after talking, he got to feel like okay, I can trust to just feel this for this moment. And, and then he felt it. So this is the beginning. I mean, that’s what of course, miracles calls miracle is when love enter someone’s perception and changes it. And in fact, of course, in miracles says that that is a huge time saver.

Shannah White 56:09

Sure, alters time. Right.

Brandon Handley 56:12

All right. That’s all just matter of perception. Right? So that’s awesome. So this is what you do. Right? This is this is kind of a, you know, you’re out there creating super humanity, people. And you’re helping others out there making the mystical, practical. And I think that, you know, seems like you’re doing a great job, you seems like you’re, you’re happy with what you do, right? And this way, like, I still remember when we first we first connected, we talked to Matt, this is a life that you’ve always led. And I love that, too, because because it’s, um, you always hear somebody say, well make sure you didn’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall. Or a ladder in life. And here, you know, in my humble opinion, you know, you put your ladder up against a great wall, right? Because at the end of the day, you know, you’re out there and you’re being of service, but you’re, you know, not being a servant. Right. Like, you know, there’s, I think there’s a big difference in that. And I think that that’s also a challenge

Unknown Speaker 57:21

for another

Brandon Handley 57:22

another day, but, you know, for when you come into this space, you talked about, you know, letting go of all the things and giving all the things away and wanting to be of service, but like, you still need to be of service to yourself. Right? It’s Jerry,

Shannah White 57:38

actually say two things that come to mind based on what you just said. One is that, absolutely, I have to stay in my own alignment. So if I’m feeling like I need to go to sleep, and someone wants to be talking to me on Facebook Messenger, the thing I need to do is go to sleep, because if I don’t, I’m actually going to a won’t be able to hold the space that I bought for them, I will start to feel resentful. subtly, but nonetheless resentful, because why? Because I’m not respecting myself. So it does start with a very solid foundation of listening inside and respecting what I hear, which includes time of asleep.

Unknown Speaker 58:25

Oh,

Shannah White 58:26

yeah. And I will say also, that is not just, it’s not just the energy space that I hold, which is not a property of my own. It’s also that listening. That’s what that’s what the energy is, actually if I stopped listening, then the my energy will go flat. Hmm. So it’s the fact that he writes something. And then I feel inside myself. What my responses? And if I think it, it’s going to come out flat. Sure. So So yes, has to take care of itself. And here’s the other thing that I find really interesting and important. I did run across on Facebook, a they call it some kind of association for spiritual ethics. And they have an interesting and potentially worthwhile mission, which is that they want to get I guess, there’s some people who can find themselves in an inappropriate relationship with someone who was a spiritual guide for them and and then they feel like you’re hurt, whatever is going on out there. That’s what they’re trying to protect people from and they want to give guidelines like this is the way it should look. So it looks different than this. Maybe you need to reconsider. And sure people need help processing contrast to make healthier choices in their experiences. That’s totally fine. Fine. But one of the features of this organization is that someone who serves the public in a spiritual capacity could become certified by this ethics Association, which means that they answer to that ethics Association. And I thought to myself immediately, I said, No, no, no, I don’t answer to anyone but God. Like, I’m listening to love inside. And I will say and do as love directs me to do, I’m not going to sign up with some human run rulebook. completely the opposite of what it means to be in the flow, even though the character of love matches what they’re trying to resemble. With their roots.

Brandon Handley 1:00:53

For me, I listen, it’s not a soft, the worst thing, right? Because, you know, you and, and I could feel that way. You know, I operate out of a place of love. Whereas, you know, there’s, there are the people out there that take advantage of others, and use this way of being in somehow, right, in a malicious way. Right, in a way that self serving and, and, you know, we talked a little bit, just a moment ago about, you know, a lot, you know, aligning ourselves and whatnot, but not to the detriment of others. Right. When you and I are talking about, you know, becoming into alignment with self, we’re talking about how do I, you know, you know, spend time in my love being whatever that looks like to you, right, you know, love and motion as it were versus You know, this this kind of morphic space where you can create it, and you can have everybody inviting, get all this sense of being, but then, you know, basically, you’re creating a cult, right, and you’re like, hey, follow me, this is the only way to be you can’t deviate from what I’ve just told you. And you know, and you’re sucked in, right? And you’re sucked in. And so that, to me, you know, if somebody’s got a certificate, at least, like, burned by this before, I’m not doing it again, right type of thing comes from it sounds like it’s not the worst thing.

Shannah White 1:02:25

It’s, it comes from a good intention, for sure. It might help some people out there

Brandon Handley 1:02:30

that are upset. I know how you said to is it resonates with love, right? Just you know, from a place of love, but

Shannah White 1:02:37

it’s also true that, that anyone who is hoping to grow spiritually into actualize super humanity and their self experience, the authority is within. So a mentor, such as myself, and I understand that you mentor people as well. is a is a guide. Right? But if you give, whether that guide is acting in a holy fashion or an unholy fashion, whether they, you know, morph themselves into an ego picture of spirituality, and they’re acting that out for themselves in their own karmic cycle, we still have to, or whether they’re acting like Jesus, we still have to, as someone who’s being mentored, we still have to look within this, like, you know, we have to feel what’s right. So if something doesn’t feel right, and then the other person says, No, no, it is right. You gotta just leave. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:03:44

Yeah. And but it can be tough, right? It can be it can be really tough again, you know, we, you know, go back to the beginning of, you know, losing that son, you know, losing that selfishness sense of, of, you know, too many variables. Right. And that’s the thing, too many variables. And if you have never experienced, even trusting yourself, right, that’s, again, that’s that that point that’s that that’s that tilting point that I was talking about in the in the book, Foursquare’s power, of coming to courage, right, because everything under courage is is doubt, fear, all these other things because you haven’t stepped into and realized your true potential. You’re, you know, birthright as it were, all those things.

Shannah White 1:04:34

That’s true. I have another thing to add, actually, because then this connects to what we were talking about before, like creating. And I can speak from my own experience this way too, because I had a relationship not with a spiritual mentor, but I had a relationship that before, before I really came home to prioritizing voice of love inside myself. There was this relationship with Were love was outside. And even though I was trying to work everything in a spiritual way, like really work hard at my life and in spiritual ways, but I still had this perception of love outside myself. And, and I attracted to myself, the perfect partner to act out a painful experience. Right, right. And so even when we’re not relaxing and flowing in the ocean of God’s creative thoughts, we’re still creating because we are created in likeness and image. So our mind is creative, when we have a thought that connects with a feeling gets impressed in the magnetic component of our mind, and then that starts to magnetize something to us. So I hope if, if my desire can bless anyone, I hope that people who have found themselves in a harmful relationship of any kind, whether it’s with a spiritual mentor, or not a spiritual mentor, that they find the presence of self reflection, to use the opportunity that’s given to them, that where they’re resonating with something that they become attracted to, and they’ve attracted to themselves. And if they can recognize that they can take the opportunity to become empowered through growing through that experience, rather than disempowered thinking you’re a victim of it.

Brandon Handley 1:06:35

Yeah, I mean, that’s not that’s all along the path. Right. That’s all the quote that that’s the quote unquote, the process,

Unknown Speaker 1:06:41

right? Yes. Yes. That’s

Brandon Handley 1:06:42

the process. So when people are talking, I always ask people that because they’ll say what’s the process? trust the process? was, I mean to you? Right, because I think it can mean a lot of different things. I think you just described the process fairly well. So where can we send people to connect with you?

Shannah White 1:06:59

Um, people can go to sacred reality.org and my coaching profiles on there and because send an email through the contact form.

Shannah White 1:07:10

I could also give my email address. Does that make sense?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:15

If you want to Yeah.

Shannah White 1:07:16

Okay, great. Anyway, you want people to connect with you? Very good. That’s Shama s h a n n. h. at Sacred reality. Work is my email address and I’m also on Facebook. I’m Shawna dot white that three

Brandon Handley 1:07:33

nice way. I just want to say thank you so much for hopping on today. Love the conversation. I think this is a one where we could go for hours right type of conversations. So I appreciate the depth of your knowledge and you know, the things that you shared with us today and hope that the people that are listening out there they they took something away from this guy, thank you, you offer quite a lot. So thank you.

Shannah White 1:07:57

Thank you so much for having

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on spiritual dope? How are you? How are you? It is it’s a Friday. It’s Friday. And it’s been it’s been a long one, you know, I’ve got a guy that was on Apollo for the rest of us podcast, john Daly coach Sean Daly. And so remember him saying, you know, the days are long, and the years are short. So the days have been long. But the week has been short. But we made it guys, we made it, we made it through. But it’s been an interesting one. So I thought I’d share that with you has zero context on what I’m about to talk to you about. So thanks. So this is one I’ve been wanting to get to you since the weekend. I’m finally getting around to it, though. So the question is, question is this someone defining your experience for you? Right? your mind, your thoughts, and your personal experiences are all subjective. And that can make it a challenge when you go to discuss that with others, right. And especially, especially your spiritual life, trying to translate the spiritual life, to somebody who is I will call it uninitiated, can certainly be a challenge. But as we as we go through, as we go through that, right, there are certain levels of experiences and understanding in those experiences. Again, most of those are going to be subjective. However, throughout time, these patterns are emerged, right? They’re distinguishable patterns, to and to the individual, it ends up it’s not somewhat subjective, much in the same way that logic is embodied in a program, there’s still a human element driving the machine. So a human element driving machine that’s subjectivities, always going to be there. But there is, again, that discernible pattern of somebody kind of going through and having a spiritual experience. And there’s a beauty of frustration here in my mind, because at some point, you must become the authority on a few different things. One of those is what do you accept to be true? Who are the authorities, right? Who are the authorities. And the translation of your experience, and I bring this up as I was recently in a dialogue with a gentleman I would call a teacher, maybe say, a member of the Sangha, right, somebody that I’ve met along my path, right, and spent some time with, and he had reached out to me in regards to a book that he’d recently read, shared, Hey, you got to read this. And I just finished this book, maybe within the past month, the book you’d recommend, it was called, it is called power versus force, by David R. Hawkins, Dr. At that, and it contains a great illustration on kind of how the body is connected to the field of consciousness. And you can use it, your body and that field of consciousness to, to calibrate the certain vibratory fields. And what Dr. Hawkins did was he created a map of consciousness, if you will, because a visual representation in a logarithmic fashion regarding consciousness at its various levels of vibratory resonance, and what do I mean by that? That what I mean is that the bottom of this field, you’ll find shame and humiliation at 20. And as you scale up, you get into grief at 75. You could up to fear at 100 that there’s anger at 150, the tipping point t found is at 200. All right, and then as you start to move forward, the tipping point for and so what I mean by that is at 200 and below, there’s kind of eating away at right this, this kind of the scarcity mentality, this lack full mentality. And then you get, you get up to 200. And then you get courage, and then in the hope 310, then all the way up to 1000, which is enlightenment. had before before I move on, I really like for you to sit in a resonance and a couple of these feelings and emotions right at a couple of these different scales if you will, and experience it for yourself. So if you’re sitting with shame, at 20 you’re sitting with the emotion of humiliation. If you’re sitting with shame at 20 you’ve almost got a feeling of suffocation.

Brandon Handley 5:00
stifled, you’re free to make any move. Then you, then you hop all the way up. What is it to

Unknown Speaker 5:09
fear

Brandon Handley 5:10
at 100? And I think there’s an Adam Freeland song. There’s another song. Sure. No Fear is the mind killer. Here’s the mind COEs feelings of anxiety, you’ve got a tendency to withdraw from the space that you’re in when you’re sitting with fear and you could feel this. There’s an absolute resonance of ebb and flow that you’re, you’re feeling. There’s a, you’re sitting in a in an energetic field and just the sound resonates, vibrates, the energy field of these emotions will resonate and vibrate within you. And you crawl all the way up to this point of courage at 200. This is the tipping point. This is where you, you can go forward and my friends and I used to make a joke regarding courage. And we would say holy take some moments curves kill a vampire. And if you think about what a vampire is, it is at its base level in energy. Leach is fear in stasis, pitch, it should just take a moment of courage to banish that from your life that is empowerment. You assume control of yourself, you choose to move beyond the illusion of fear, shattering what seemed like an M surmountable giant along your path, and you smash that into smithereens tiny little pieces. And then you search forward.

Unknown Speaker 6:44
That’s been my experience.

Brandon Handley 6:47
And beyond on that scale, right? So I’ve been beyond 200 100%. And this is what I share with my buddy, I said, Hey, man, I believe that I could at least help people navigate to courage, right? I’ve been there. I’ve had that experience. And imagine my surprise when he questioned me because that and honestly, I was expecting his support he cited he goes, Hey, you know, someone needs you got to experience that for yourself. Right? He goes on mere book knowledge won’t do. And what I thought was interesting, and it was just in a moment, right?

Unknown Speaker 7:27
I suffered doubt,

Brandon Handley 7:29
maybe even despair for a moment, which you can locate on the map of consciousness at 50. So imagine that just come to this bear for a moment, that empty feeling. You feel like you’ve come so long or far away, or you feel like you’re in a great place. And here’s somebody that I placed on a pedestal right, I put them above me, in my mind, he I chose him as an authority. And I shrink back. I had my own hide my own light, it was in the same moment that I realized that what was happening was I was looking to another validation. Someone outside of me, and I was accepting quite possibly what may be true for him to be true for me. And what do I mean by that? Is that he words are his words are mirror of himself, right? In a moment’s courage. I literally just metaphorically drove a stake into the heart of that vampire. I was like, You know what, fuck it. You don’t need fucking permission to be great. I didn’t need his permission. You know that permission is already been given to you, everyone. Everyone has been born with it. And so how can you be sure that right and what you know greatness. It’s funny because nobody still remember when I when I first talked about stepping into your own greatness bag I follow for the recipe. Oh, no boast up into greatness. Nobody. Nobody wants to assume that’s greatness. It’s like, there it is. It’s yours. It’s so it’s inherent. It’s not even. It’s not even that you you have to look for it. It’s there already. And, you know, you you yourself have certainly you’ve learned to recognize greatness in others. And how do you do that? Right? You’ve got to have familiarity with it yourself. You must have experienced it within yourself. So in order to be called some somebody great, you must know what that is. Right? There’s, there’s something inside of you. reflecting back to yourself. That is greatness. And when I think about it, I think about it in terms of that letter that you write to somebody who annoys you. I don’t know if you’ve ever done this exercise where you you know, maybe there’s somebody that you find very annoying in your life and you take some time you write out all the shit that that annoys you about them like is that thing does uphold their laundry doesn’t take the time to throw away that one dish doesn’t, you know, all the things right? And the funny thing is, is that oftentimes you can find those same annoying qualities within yourself. Right. And it’s really as easy, it’s easy to do that one. As the it’s funny though, because the same letter can be written to someone that you admire someone that you hold in high esteem. The funny thing is, the exact same thing happens here, these are the same qualities that you would Meyer, about yourself. And this is what they mean, one of one of the many meanings, right that this world is a reflection of yourself. And a yoke. So I want you to, I want you to think about that. And also want to share with you the 30. There, and I think that what this gentleman thought of really was that there are many people out there with the knowledge seeking the experience. And I would share with you with him, that for me, it’s been a matter of having the experience and then seeking the knowledge and how can I express that to to you to at all, really, how can I express that experience at all. And one of those ways, really, that, you know, if you’re in a similar situation, and I’ll share this been my own practice and how I feel like I’ve done it is that it starts in a belief within yourself. And a belief that I you are worth it. The belief that there is a greatness in there, there is something within you that if you cultivate it, and nurture it, if you invest in yourself, that you’ll be able to take a moment’s courage, that you’ll be able to journey into a dark spot, spot unknown, right? That’s what I mean by darkness is I mean, you know, darkness is only dark until you shine the light in that space, right. And then you’re gonna have your moments of clarity that are beyond what you once knew. And each time that you step into that space, you’re gonna have a new experience, and there’s going to be a different resonance of your character, a different vibration of who you are, and chances are, you’re going to want to figure out how to share that out. Right.

Brandon Handley 12:21
And chances are, that the person, you know, you once were, is now replaced by the person that you have become. Over this is open to everyone. Right? If you’ve been thinking about who you were, and how everything in your past has put you in a not great place. Maybe that’s a fallacy, right? This is open to everyone. Especially you, especially, you know, I think about people like, Dude, what’s his name? Russell Brand. Rob, you know, Rob, Iron Man, whatever the hell, Tony Stark, right? These are people, you know, who were way down and out at one point, and they rose back up? Especially Russell Brand, right? Like, I think he Wow, it’s so funny how I actually looked for people. Once upon a time. You know, I used to look at billboard 100. Now look at like, the spiritual 100. But Russell brands on there, right. And here’s a guy that a couple years ago, he was a fucking mess. And now he’s, you know, one of our spiritual leaders. So don’t think for one moment that just because you stumbled out of the of the sunlight or the blocks, that you don’t have the ability to win the race. And I know, I’m just using that terminology. And so I think about also, Robin Sharma, who’s got this 10 News got a whole bunch of stuff is great. Yeah, he’s got some self help books and whatnot. But I heard him speak on a podcast and in there he goes, you rise to your level of thinking?

Unknown Speaker 14:16
Which puts a switch for me.

Brandon Handley 14:19
Because, you know, you’ve heard it before you’re a human being having a spiritual experience. And once you kind of make that transition, what does that do for your level of thinking? So you’re given a choice, right? Which one are you going to take? Are you going to be a human being? Or are you going to accept and a moment’s courage that you are a divine being and all it takes is a moment to be divine, to be filled with grace? You’re going to take moments courage to call yourself a star seed, maybe an indigo child, a child of God even Yeah, it’s so good and how could you not what is the child of God capable of And I love the idea. You’re born into a benevolent universe. All you have to do is look for the signs. And all that takes is a moment’s Cause if you can stay in that for just a moment, if you can do it once, how many how many more? How many more times can do it?

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on spiritual dope? How are you Brandon Handley here the voice of a generation voice of generation Heiser? You know, coming over here from the fatherhood podcast, I used to have that call to the voice of fathers to give a damn. So what are we here? What do you what is this community, this is a voice of, you know, spiritual spiritualists that give a damn anywho guys popping in here I wanted to share out something that we’ve just done recently over on Facebook, if you’re not familiar with one of the things that we’re doing over there, we’re doing a kind of a weekly thing with introduction into Buddhism. And we’ve got one more left. But so far what we’ve done is we’ve done the Four Noble, I’m not a Buddhist, obviously. So we’ve done the we’ve done the Three Jewels. We’ve done, the Four Noble Truths, and one of the podcasts that we’ve released already is the five mindfulness trainings. So one of them, I’m gonna go over with you today, the short version of them is the Four Noble Truths. And also do a short version of the Three Jewels, but I and I’m also going to link a lengthier version of these to the website. So you can go see kind of what that Facebook conversation looked like where I had Reverend Sam, who’s a Buddhist Reverend, on with me to, you know, to talk to about this. And one of the reasons that we’re doing it is so that you can approach Buddhism to find out a little bit more about what it is in a safe and welcoming space. And can hear that straining, love it, want to make sure that you feel safe, right, and it’s a place where I think that sometimes, for me anyways, if you go somewhere, and you’re brand new to it, and there’s JIRA there alone, it can be intimidating to talk to people that are there who look like super sacred or whatever. And, you know, you see a monk out there and you’re like, Hey, what do you do here, and it can, some of it can be intimidating, and you hold yourself back a little bit on those conversations. And Sam and I have created, what I like to believe is a very open space and welcoming space for you to come in, explore these topics, we share out the link. And you can come there with any questions that you might have, as it might relate, like I said, we shot the link. This one was the foremost noble truths of Buddhism, and I’ll share that on the page as well. And I’m gonna go over it with you quickly today, quicker than it took us are like, I think 45 minutes or so, on the foreigner will choose. So, the Four Noble Truths are perhaps the most basic formulation of the Buddhist teachings and they are expressed as follows. All existence is Duka, right? And the word Duka means suffering or anguish, pain, or unsatisfactoriness. The idea is that our lives are a struggle, and that you do not find ultimate happiness or satisfaction in anything that you experience. And this is the site this is the problem of existence. And we went back and forth quite a bit on this, Sam and I know that what he’s saying here is that there’s no there’s no way around it. You might think that you have different ways around it. You may think that you don’t suffer or have any suffering for yourself or any anguish, pain or sadness, but everybody does. All of us I have it, you have it. And so how do we how do we work through it? Once we know that this is going to show up? How do we work through it and that’s part of what we what what this is about. So, the second part of it is that the cause of Duka is craving says here that the natural human tendency is to blame our difficulties on things outside of ourselves. But the Buddha says that their actual root is to be found in the mind itself. In particular, our tendency to grasp things or alternatively, push them away. Places is fundamentally at odds with the way life really is.

Brandon Handley 4:59
And again, this was inside of you, right? How do you think about something that is that is happening? And and I don’t know exactly where we landed on how to grasp it them or, you know, we pull it them, you know, we leap to conclusions versus just kind of experiencing what’s really in front of us without giving it some how to, it’s challenging. How do you do anything? Without giving it a label, the cause of Duka is craving, right? So, things on the outside of you, right? You couldn’t get this job. So you got pissed at the world, right? The world’s against you. Or, you know, maybe somebody ran into your, your car and popped your tire and you get pissed and the world’s against you. And that’s a you wish things were better. You wish you were somewhere else and you wish things weren’t the way they were? And you feel like they could do better. And the thing is, you can feel a different way or have a different life experience if you if you wanted it or interpret it differently. So yeah, that’s kind of like the high level idea of it, right? We I think we spent quite a bit of time on that one. The idea again, is that there, the actual root of craving can be found in the mind itself, which kind of leads into the next next piece here, the cessation of Duka. Now this is the third of four noble truths comes with a cessation, cessation of Duka, cause with the cessation of cravings, as we are the ultimate causes of our difficulties, we are also the solution. I like to say, you know, as you are the ultimate cause of your difficulty, you are also the solution. You cannot change the things that happen to you. But you can change your response. I don’t know how many means I’ve seen with this one, how many and you know, set in, you know, different ways. But if you change the way you look at things that have changed how you look at things, they change differently, right? They, they change just by just by your your thought process and how you decide to see them. And then you can change your response to what you interpret is happening around you. So, you know, if you’re seeing a craving, and you want something for some reason, you have to understand where that where that craving is coming from what is causing that craving, and address it, right. I like to use the example of how when we want to move to a different place. We don’t like where we live anymore, we want to go move or live somewhere else. And then the idea is, you know, why? what’s, what does that please have that we want to move to have? That’s not already available here. And when you approach it that way, you know what’s over there that you don’t have where you are right now is the ultimate question. And what’s causing you and prompting you to move. And then when you take a look at it, you realize, well, maybe nothing, maybe there’s no reason. And then when you kind of when you take a look at it in that way, you you eliminate some of the pressure to make the move right to force yourself into any certain direction. So you can change your response, right. So the thing that’s happening is that I am where I am. And instead of saying I wish I wasn’t here, let’s say I’ve got everything that I need. Got everything that I really want. If I take a really good hard look at it so I can change my response. Right, so I got to get out of here can’t be here. Whoa. So now I got everything I need. And finally, so there’s a path that leads from Duka. Although the Buddha throws responsibility back on the individual, he also taught methods to which we can change ourselves. For example, it’s a Noble Eightfold Path. And I honestly don’t know what that is. But I do know this I do know that next week on October 3, on Facebook, Sam and I’ll be getting together to discuss the Noble Eightfold Path can also leave a link for that in on the site. But look, there are ways around it right. Just like we said here, although the Buddha throws

Brandon Handley 9:55
responsibility back on the edge visual, he also taught methods which we can And yourself, the one that I just use right back on number three is, you know, reframing it, taking stock, separating yourself from the situation. That’s a really interesting exercise you can do in NLP. Where you close your eyes, there’s a cognitive behavior therapy, it’s one of the two, you kind of close your eyes. And you picture yourself in your mind. And then you picture yourself doing whatever it is that you’re doing, whatever the situation is, feeling, whatever it is that you’re feeling, and then imagining that you are watching yourself, right? And what is the experience of watching yourself, like, you know, so when you watch yourself with all those emotions, feelings, and situations, and thoughts and ways of being? What is it that you see as the watcher, right? And then take it one more step beyond here. So now you’re watching yourself, watch yourself. Right? So there’s watching 1123 of us in this scenario, and, yeah, how much more objective Can you kind of become in this scenario when, in the end, right, the first person, you know, if you’re sitting with yourself, and you’re deep inside, you’re feeling the things, you’re feeling the emotions and you’re experiencing everything. When you are one step removed, you for some reason, you still feel some type of sensation, you still feel some type of way about all the things that are going on, because you’re just one step removed, but there’s less, it’s a little bit more objective. Now you’re watching the watcher, who’s watching you. Because one objective, there’s less sensation, there’s less things happening. And when you kind of watch the whole thing play out. And if you put one more in there, you put a fourth image of yourself being three times removed. It really just becomes you see somebody sitting there thinking, you’re watching somebody, watch somebody else, watch somebody else who just looks like all those people are looking at somebody just thinking, you’re so far removed, but you can separate yourself from yourself in that scenario. And when you do that, when you’re able to do that you for just that time you eliminate the suffering, the anguish, and you’re just an observer, and things just are what they are. So, I hope that was helpful for you to go through these four noble truths. All existence is Duka. The cause of Duka is craving, cessation of Duka comes with the cessation of craving. And then finally, there is a path that leads from there, the one tool that is shared with you there is helpful. And then on October 3, we are 2020 on Facebook 7pm Eastern Standard Time, Sam and I are going to cover the Noble Eightfold Path. I’d love for you to join us. It’s open to everybody just kind of come check it out if you’ve got some questions, and just feel like you know, this is this is all part of part of it. Right? The beauty is a lot of what we do here in personal development and personal growth space, is accessible with other tools has been around for a long time. And we can apply it in different ways. And they come from different sources. And one of those sources that we have available to us at all times is this ability to access Buddhism. All right, take it easy.

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When you are going through an awakening, sometimes it can feel like everything is going off the rails!

That’s how it was with me, and I was lucky enough to come across an amazing spiritual life coach, Christian Wiese.

Ever since Christian helped me along the way, we have been in communication.

Take a listen to find out how you may be able to practically apply spiritual wisdom, even if you are in the midst of a very high-level financial group!

Connect with Christian on Facebook

Also, should you be interested in his books check them out here:

https://christianmwiese.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00

Two, one. Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here today. And as we continue to explore how we can apply spirituality in our everyday lives, businesses, and whatever it is we want to do. I have with me today, author and spiritual coach, my good friend, Christian M. Weiss, and he is a, he’s an author, spiritual coach. But he didn’t he wasn’t always in the space. In 2008, he was working in the professional finance field, with a PhD in finance and as a freshly minted dad. And working in this market. He’d been introduced to a wonderful world of magic, healing and love. And he finally left the financial industry and decided to work today as an author, educator, a spiritual life coach, and he’s on a mission to share the gospel of the capitalized way and to help other spiritual Travelers awaken to their path. Christian, thank you so much for joining us today.

Christian Wiese 1:05

Thank you for having me. Being here.

Brandon Handley 1:08

Yes, yeah, well, so first, you know, here’s people people may not have followed me since the beginning and that’s okay. So if you’re just tuning into any of my podcasts for the first time, Christian I first met years ago now, when I was doing a podcast called fatherhood for the rest of us and I had reached out to fathers who had experience and kind of a spiritual awakening and Christian is the only one who raised his hand. He has lived to tell the tale so before and thank you for that. And we’ve had I think, a great friendship since then we actually had to meet in person last year. That was a very What do they call that? You know, synchronous, synchronous synchronicity

Christian Wiese 1:52

secret? Thanks, Jerry. Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 1:54

Yeah, yeah, we that was just so random how that happened. And to me that just showed the universe opening up, right?

Unknown Speaker 2:02

That’s right. Um,

Brandon Handley 2:04

what I like to start this off with Christian as a little bit of how you and I are conduits for creative energy, right? That’s right. And you and I are talking to share a message with somebody who’s listening to the podcast today. What What do you think that that person needs to hear today?

Christian Wiese 2:26

Well, I think the main message is life is fun. There’s so much creativity in life. And we spent so much time thinking about it and thinking what we want and what we should get, and we sometimes overlook what we have and what we’re getting every day and excitement and I think so again, just a little bit of background. I kind of have always been interested in spirituality. But I was in the middle of my career, the two boys had just been born. Suddenly there was that moment, which you also experienced, where suddenly you said, Wow, what’s happening here in this incredible app to tell other people about it. And then I literally spent seven years doing both very similar what you’re doing right now, in the day, kind of hanging out with some very smart people in the financial industry and kind of testing my spiritual theories. And then that night writing about it and writing books, and we’re talking today about the second book, which I think is is really written for people like you and your, your viewers, because it makes a case that spirituality is not some sort of philosophy that we practice on Sunday. Spirituality is something that we do everyday and also at work. And for seven years. I literally tested my theories and they work, we can really be incredibly creative, connected. We can have a lot of fun doing kind of spirituality and living.

Brandon Handley 4:05

Now 100% I love it. I enjoyed the book. And, you know, right when I read the review, I’d already started reading the book. But when I read the review on the back here of the endorsement by Carl Bozeman, and this book is intended to kind of pick up before you go to sleep and just have a quick read like small short stories, right? And, you know, here’s the book in my hand, thanks for shooting it over. Appreciate you sending. So the way of the Meister and it gives you some time to pause and reflect and also see how somebody such as yourself who had a PhD in it was it was at finance that she had a PhD in economics, economics. Oh my god, right. I mean, that’s the that’s the last place. Most people are going to be looking for a virtual coach. Right, or, or spiritual birthing at that, right? That’s

Christian Wiese 4:55

right. And that often happens and I think it’s really important to stress it. We always say, if you are spiritual, be on the right or be on the left, whatever your favorite direction is. But often in life, instead of being on the right, we’re actually on the left. And it’s extreme contrast between the two that then gets you that, that breaks through. And that’s, I think, by work in the conflicts at work in the context of family and all that. It’s sometimes an opportunity to opportunity to stop and say, Hey, what’s going on here? What can I learn from this conflict? And the way I would put economics, economics is a science of scarcity. scarcity, the main assumption is you don’t have but you want the only one right Right, right. Increase your utility and your income as your poor. Yes, the main message of spirituality is abundance. We live in an abundant world. We deserve to live in a world and that I think we need spiritual life coaches like you to remind us of that premise and we should work towards it

Brandon Handley 6:10

was like, it’s like you said, Christian when you when you stop to look at what you have versus what’s missing. That’s right, right is doo doo doo. I feel like there’s a space for an economic approach that says, hey, we actually have quite a bit Do you think I mean, I mean so look, let’s not laugh too hard at this because we had, you know the Science of Happiness to psychology. You know, so, which was laughed out at the beginning, right? I’m reminded of I’ve listened to this guy, Robin. Oh, gosh, his last name Sharma. Right. And one of his lines is they laughed at all the great ones at first, right. So is there do you feel like is that would could we apply economy you know economics to an abundant sides. Cuz like you said, we’ve been focused so much on the scarcity economy. Is there an abundance economy?

Christian Wiese 7:08

Absolutely. Economics just needs a rebranding, which is

Unknown Speaker 7:13

exactly right.

Christian Wiese 7:14

I mean, we should call it the science of abundance. And there’s a joke that I was told whether, whether it’s supposedly true at all, no. But somebody taught at Harvard, and gave the idea of to the utility function and the income line and that it keeps growing and expanding to the right. And that is kind of our mission in life. And there was one guy from the Middle East, supposedly a crown prince. And he said, I’m what happens to the picture, if you don’t have any income constraints. And of course, everybody laughed. You know, he was a prince, he had limitless resources, but it’s actually a very good point is in economics, that certain bliss point where you’re having more income is not the issue at all. It’s about having more meaning. And I do think, to a large extent, the spiritual journey is just about awakening to what you truly want. You know, we initially think it’s so much about wealth and status and reputation. And then we realized, no, no, it’s about love. It’s about meaning. It’s about the ability to create an Express. And when you go down that path, it’s very easy to be very fulfilled and happy, abundant life.

Brandon Handley 8:30

It is, is once you learn about it.

Christian Wiese 8:37

That’s right.

Brandon Handley 8:38

Right. So, you know, it’s really interesting. My wife just quit her job after being there for 23 years. And she’s terrified because she was taught to go get a job and work and stay there for for your entire life. And that was the idea. And since she married me that was her own fault. The You know what? learning this stuff that like, wow, we, you know, you always hear about you know, don’t put your don’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall. That’s right, right you know, we we worked for money, right and income versus working for or towards meaning or towards a beautiful life right? You know, we want we want the things we want the experiences we want I love this bliss point that you bring up. But it’s once you’ve learned that prod and nine then you have to learn how to apply it, which is what you know, I think I’ve done taking the concept and applied it in life and found it to be true. You know, I think of one of your stories in the book. And actually kind of I was actually telling the story last night at dinner about how you would come up with theories that seemed like they would be sure shots let’s talk a little bit about like, you know, working in the economy and you’re working for I’m guessing people that had a lot of money and they trusted you, with your, you know, with your doctorate in this field to explore and give sounds strategies, right. So tell us a little bit about, like, what that looked like and what some of the outcomes were.

Christian Wiese 10:17

Um, so when I started out I was actually very similar to your vise Korea. I was there for I think, 22 years. I’m originally from Germany, I arrived in 1990. I went to Brown University, got my PhD there. And then literally, just after five years, moved one hour north to Boston from Providence to Boston and started out there. And I started out as an economist, you know, I had to learn, you know what finance is really all about. But, you know, after a while, I got the hang of it, and you can realize that finance to a large extent, yes, it’s about knowing what will happen tomorrow. Extensive thoughts about psychology, human psychology, and I love that stuff. You know the the being in the pressure point and people say no, you have it all wrong. Now’s the time to be actually that this year was perfect. Everybody said run for the hills run for the hills. And the moment they did that was exactly the moment that the Gnostics started taking off, right? It’s all it’s all psychology and you have to get a feel for it. So what in the end brought the, the the spark when you kind of awoke to something different? I can’t tell. But what I can tell is that I had a very interesting psychological journey they had that place because part of the process of you know, doing this kind of spirituality for a few years is to realize that we kind of live in our head. You know, there are certain stories that we want to be nice to each other. We want to be loved. You’re going to get, and there’s a lot of heads, the art sometimes says something very different. And what I enjoyed in the pressure cooker environment is to kind of test and also learn. And I kind of went into two directions. And I think they’re very powerful. And I think you as a coach really can breakfast that there was one this spiritual dimension where I learned cooperation and trust is so powerful if you work with a group of people and you guys trust each other. magic happens, but also learned and there was a second aspect something about myself, I had not understood how competitive I really was. And you know, we spreadsheet people will tell us Oh, we are so nice and so relaxed. But when tell people to tell you, you’re full of it, you suddenly get you know, I’ll show you and that’s a very human reaction and I love isn’t playing with both balls on the one hand showing the magic of connection tivity and caring for each other as I put it, but on the other end, also realizing, you know what, you’re telling yourself stories, you’re as human as everybody else. And I think that’s really the the the potency of a coach to help people with that struggle because we shouldn’t live in lala land, we should live in the real world, where not everything is about love. And you know, and being so serene and uncaring.

Brandon Handley 13:29

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, that’s it. That’s a you know, that’s, that’s great. And it’s an ideal it kind of world and I don’t think that it’s, I wouldn’t say that it’s impossible, but the likelihood of seeing it, and then would you really want to live it? That’s another question like, yeah, that’s, that’s another question. And I’m reminded of, you know, at least hearing this kind of first from Alan Watts, right. It’s kind of like stew you got to season it just enough. There’s got to be enough, you know, kind of flavor and Taste where it’s not so bland. So if we have all this, you know, love peace and serenity all the time, it’s gonna be real boring. I’m sorry, right? We’re not gonna, we’re not going to be able to experience we’re not going to even notice if we have an upper down, right? I mean, you know, I’m not saying hey, let’s invite some drama. But if you don’t have any drama, you will go to your head and you will create some it’s just human. So you know, I love that you said that because that that is the true premise two is spiritual dope, right. So this is the this program this podcast and courseware whatever gets created out of this is like, it’s not all it is a huge percentage of peace, love and light, but there’s also some, you know, we’ve got to go through some. We’ve got to go through some seasons of our lives to have a fully rounded experience. That’s right, right.

Christian Wiese 15:02

And something. So the way optimized, I think is perfect for this setup, because I think it speaks to the experience that many people go through. Should I be in this profession? Should I not? Am I really expressing myself creatively as I should? On the other hand, there are financial constraints. Can I really make it right now on my own? Or should I also have, you know, a secure income stream? Those are all issues we have to deal with. But the person

Brandon Handley 15:28

just has to pick that apart for right now. Right? Yeah. For everybody who’s who’s chased the secure income stream and the secure way of life. I think that COVID has been a true disrupter in continuing along that, that path, right. That’s right. And, and also, I kind of want to just loop back to when you were, you know, understanding, you know, yes, the cooperative and trust support, right, you know, your groups and creating that and finding that also understanding your competitiveness, but you also have illustrated how you you come up with some theories that will seem bulletproof. Write that on paper, and in theory should be working and they would flop and then you would say, all right, well, here’s, here’s something that I’m going to throw out there. I don’t think much of it. And that’s the one that takes off. Right? Play with me really this then right? So I’ll play let’s play. Let’s play like kind of spiritual devil devil’s advocate type. Okay. So with the one you had these great expectations, you were kind of attached to an expectation of the one that you thought would work right there was pressure on it to work in the way that you thought that it was supposed to work. And so there was there was like a focus on it. Versus the one that you came up with great. I would say almost ease and you let it go. And you said you know what, fine, let it go. Let’s Let’s the worst that could happen. Right. And that’s the one that you did with ease that it came in and flowed. Yes. Or to see it that way.

Christian Wiese 17:08

I think it’s a very important point. Actually, that was the direction I wanted to go in my original comment. The main message is, and it’s a very tough one, because we have been programmed for four decades in the education system to do exactly the opposite. But the main message of spirituality is, get out of your head. Look at what lie and look at the amazing abundance that life has to offer. And especially when it goes in a direction that you didn’t anticipate. That’s the time to be excited, because you can actually learn something. Right? And that was really my spiritual experience, experience and breakthrough to realize this is just a voice. It is not us. It’s just a voice. Sometimes it has something interesting to say sometimes not. But there’s an authority for you. On the voice in the head and that is all to spirituality.

Brandon Handley 18:03

Now fair enough. One second Chris, I’m gonna go ask my kids to go move. So the letting go right and getting out of your way. And the aspect of of us trying to apply direction, right? mentally, mentally direction versus Heart, heart feel it feeling it forward, right? That’s right, feeling it forward. Well, all right. How do you do that?

Christian Wiese 18:36

Well, that’s really exciting stuff happens it is we are not independent of our life. The life that we experience the people we bump into, I mean, I am always messenger it’s just so apparent. person one context me person to contact me five minutes later, person one and person two are in my life connected. So I see Just even though they have no idea what’s going on, I can literally see the strings. Right. So with those modern technologies, we actually can see almost how life operates. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 19:11

Yeah, yeah,

Christian Wiese 19:12

I think that’s a great thing too, that that gets you out of the head. And but again, I would say is always know on which level you work. Because I think you and I do. We do different things to work as a spiritual life coach, you help people with their career choices with their personal choices, right. The next level that I’m interested in this kind of what is that no self experience. There is no self, it’s just your part of life. You are there no thoughts, just the no self. I mean, that’s what the you know, well, the gurus talk about it’s an exciting, almost philosophy or experience, but it doesn’t help so much. The guy who has those has just two newborn children and has a little make a living. Right? That’s where you come in. Sure. Yeah, you know, it’s such a challenge to

Brandon Handley 20:09

fall into this space, I guess it’s kind of the best way to say it to to, to open once you’ve opened up to the spiritual self, right? Or the your spirituality, your spiritual being. How do you reconcile that? Right? How do you integrate that? And that’s, that’s a huge challenge.

Christian Wiese 20:28

It’s a challenge, but it’s also a huge opportunity because

Brandon Handley 20:31

so much for sure, listen to your your speaking a new language, you’re learning a whole new way of being. So you cannot. So it’s kind of like the Buddha and the and the, you know, the Rosebud, right, flower bud, you can’t squeeze that right. It’s expected to bloom so you got to you’ve got to nurture it, understand it and follow it. You know, I still remember when people were telling me you got to trust in the process before I had ever experienced the process. Right? So there’s trust in the process, which is kind of a faith in this, this possible way of being that you, you simply you can’t convey it in

Christian Wiese 21:17

words. That’s right. You cannot write but what we can convey is how much fun it is. That synchronicity is something that we discussed in our last talk, right? I think you are also an experiencer Can you pronounce it Suresh polities scientists, so it’s either the numbers or just the human connections. And the the first experience is so much fun, you understand it to gain it’s no longer the, you know, it’s it’s all about life or death. It’s literally again, you making a mistake, and you hear somebody laughing in the background. Ha ha ha you messed this one up.

Get ready not that serious,

Brandon Handley 22:02

right? Well, you know, I, I poke fun at that too because the word light is in enlightenment. That’s right, right. So how can we come at this from a sense of it’s heavy, hard, steady work. But it’s also meant to kind of lighten the load, right?

Christian Wiese 22:24

We are creators. I mean, it just stink up an entrepreneur or the guy who inventing or an Albert Einstein every day when they got up, they were all smiles. I can’t wait to see what I create today. But I think that that experience, I think

Brandon Handley 22:40

that that’s a great, you know, how can somebody applied themselves in that manner? Today right now, regardless of you know, I’m in a nine to five, right? How do I apply that principle of I am a creator of Wherever I am, that might not

Christian Wiese 22:56

be the thing that you actually do, which hopefully gets your meaning but There’s also the interaction with the people, you know, very much like I described as my messenger experience, you suddenly bump into that person and the person says something which the person never says, exactly that kind of word that resonates with you, because you read it yesterday in a book, and you suddenly start and this is really important. I don’t know how. Yeah, this is the process. And it’s a lot of fun. And everybody can experience even in a in a workplace that they consider boring. It’s literally the lightest streaming in and you can experience it anywhere. But on the other hand, I understand sometimes you are forced in a new direction. And I give myself as an example, I actually had plans to be at a job until today 2020 because I’d always wanted to start with a friend, a meditation center and she just wasn’t ready. So For me, that jump came two years ahead of time because there were changes at work and it just didn’t work for me anymore. So suddenly a new situation comes and for a couple of years, I was a little bit bored. I have to say, Yes, I was writing books, and I was working with people, but there was always a feeling. You know, I wish I had three more hours of actual creative work to do because only so much spirituality I can do. But guess what, that was a very, very spiritual experience where I really went to the next level, understanding better about my own drive above my own cross patience above my own limits. And that’s part of life. You have to if you’re really interested in spirituality, and that’s where the life coach starts differing from the spiritual coach. The Life Coach job is to make sure that that person is successful in the way that they want. Creating love, whatever it is that they want versus friendship quotes gets a little arrogant says, Whatever happens to you, you will learn a lot. For sure it’s you know, I don’t know, sometimes you have to build something and then afterwards you can have that arrogant perspective. Do you understand which direction I’m going?

Unknown Speaker 25:21

Now go ahead and give me a little more on that.

Christian Wiese 25:23

Okay, so I just saw the psychologist, the young cago stuff young, I think put it very well. He says the first half of our life journey, we develop the self.

The second half, you actually

Brandon Handley 25:40

had I had that I actually had that one.

Christian Wiese 25:42

I had that as a quote. And in the second half of the life journey, we start letting go, right. So as the Buddha which puts it over everybody else, but if you die before you die, felt kind of disappears. This integrates,

Brandon Handley 25:58

right yeah, not lost. Uh, you know, I never, you know, I’ve definitely always said, This ease but I’d never done this integrate. Right. Which, you know, right yeah, that explains kind of a lot.

Christian Wiese 26:19

Well, I feel bad it was like so let’s take the example of when you bump into your colleague when that person says what she never says just out of the blue uses a ratchet she never used the point it’s exactly the birth if you just read in that meaningful book at night, right? everything for you stops right just stared her. There are no thoughts. There is just that feeling of I can’t wait to see where this is. This is going. So you see this is just an example of the self disintegrate the the knowledge that everybody talks about. You’re so excited to be in the moment that innocence us Then, as an identity kind of get integrated into colleagues in the story in what’s about to come. That’s really the kind of, you know, living now. So it’s not that you as a person disappeared, it’s just that you literally just become out of it

Brandon Handley 27:16

when you become kind of the observer. Is that what you’re saying? Yeah, you kind of

Christian Wiese 27:21

the actor, the everything.

Brandon Handley 27:24

And you’re seeing all that at the same time. You’re seeing it all at the same time. Is that what you’re saying? That’s

Christian Wiese 27:28

right. Yeah. And many people have thought experiences, it’s just they never put in a spiritual meaning to answer just say, Wow, that was Mind blown. Yeah, sure. Sure.

Brandon Handley 27:41

I think I think that that’s what you and or I or even religion provides is this kind of framework for when it does happen? That’s right. Right. So because there’s going to be this whole building of the ego to Carl Jung talking about that you’re talking about there where you’re going Go your whole life and it’s gonna seem to fit everybody else’s expectations, patterns, societal norms, but then there’s going to be this threshold that you cross over, where you disintegrate with that identity of the self and you recognize the connectedness. That’s right to everything. That’s right. And if you don’t know, this is where I think this is where I’m gonna play big is there’s a bunch of over 33 million in the United States, right? last census not this last one. They don’t claim any religion, right? So they don’t have a framework for when this happens to them. That’s right. So it’s like, hey, it’s okay. That’s right. let’s let’s let’s a let’s figure out kind of, what’s your what’s your what’s your background? And let’s, let’s steer you to a couple stories that reflect exactly where you are. Right.

Christian Wiese 28:52

Yeah, but more than that, if I could add on that, because I really think it’s important for people like you and I and your viewers. Think of that. See? You that was brainwashed by his father mother to be somebody, you know, go to Harvard. Yeah, buddy, no be member of that golf club or whatever it is. And then you meet all those competitive people and you just put all your identity and building profits. And then there comes that moment and God forbid anybody, if it happens to anybody, but let’s say the daughter certainly gets cancer. Can you just suddenly say, Whoa, I couldn’t care less what the profit statement is, I need to make sure that my daughter is okay and that she gets healthy again, so that those life changing moments, but he didn’t say, well, it’s no longer about profit, but what is it about? And that I think is the opportunity to really have the people in the important places, CEOs, the upper management, the inventors creators, that they have that guidance of You know, moving towards a new model? Yeah. And I think if we if we get a few of those people, amazing change.

Brandon Handley 30:08

What’s your what’s your vision of a new model?

Christian Wiese 30:11

quantum new model is just the understanding that the economic model of scarcity is gone. That we live in a world of abundance that everybody has to find it and that’s a spiritual journey because we have to start overriding the voices of our parents, the voices of society, the voices of our spouse, tables, Rosa, that’s amazing thing. It’s not an any spiritual folks always say us versus them. It’s not true, or the unconscious person if it wasn’t for the unconscious person.

It’s not true, right?

Brandon Handley 30:45

We have growing Why is that not true? Let’s Let’s hit on. Why is that not true?

Christian Wiese 30:49

Well, it can be true in the sense that people get so annoying that we just say I have to leave. And then they’re part of the process, but often, it is our own. As I said to you, my spiritual experience was for the last two years where I didn’t have as much to do as, as I used to when I did exactly what you were doing having my nine to five job and then at night, you know, working streamer hours to get my books out, I suddenly realize you know, there is an inner void that I had to face. And yes, I was so cool at my work and I was so cool as a life coach and so cool in my writing, but you know what that coolness means something to me. And that’s not I don’t want people to project to me that’s, that’s not it. I have to find a way to to to face it in a void and of course the underdog it’ll say meditation. You go invert, you discover the light within. The first part of the journey is we see the light without the second part of the journey is we discover the light within minutes. It’s really not rocket science. So without It happens to everyone.

Brandon Handley 32:01

Well, you know, and but but it you know, it’s still again, I think until you begin the journey until you kind of start to experience. It’s not part of your peripheral, right? It’s not it’s not, it’s not something that you’re willing to accept. Yeah, that’s right. I, you know, like I said to you earlier, I’m working on my, on some of my information, right? For kind of describing, because it’s, this is a I’m building it as I go. But what does it say? I said, you know, spirituality. So this, you know, look, I’m, I’m talking to my generation, right? Mm hmm. But also, spirituality for the person that couldn’t give a shit about it until now.

Unknown Speaker 32:46

Right, because,

Brandon Handley 32:48

until you until until you have had an experience, you’re not going to be triggered to seek more and seek harder because you have had That experience.

Christian Wiese 33:01

I think those people are incredibly powerful and incredibly potent, because I do see a little problem as those very spiritual guys. Again live in their own head. Yeah, oh, you have to be a vegetarian. All you have to do all you have to do that, by the way, I am a vegetarian at moral grounds, but I eat a burger over the veggie burger. I do not feel any difference. However, on the moral ground, I’d say, yeah, it’s not nice what we do for our animals. But the thing is, if you just live in your you have to feel it. If you just live in your head, you will always play those us versus them games and they’re always different, us versus them never because the only insight of spirituality is we are all one. The critical voice that confronts us is us speaking to ourselves. We have to just find a way to either say I don’t want to deal with her right now going a different direction not to say There must be a way how we can integrate our views because we have one. Right,

Brandon Handley 34:08

right right now. And I love that. I think it was for me to work with a particular group where I understood about, you know, cooperation and trust and supporting each other. And just like you were saying earlier, I feel like that’s a place where, if you can’t be or don’t feel comfortable with being vocal about spirituality, you can apply spirituality. Would you say that that’s true?

Christian Wiese 34:38

And don’t talk about it, that the other mistake that the spiritual books say, they go out to the public and say, Oh, you just don’t know the power of communication, the power of connectivity, the power of caring, don’t say a word Just do it. Right. Because when you say something, the other person will say, Well, what a loony but the moment when you actually do it, The other person will take notice. And I do think there is incredible I mean, when it comes to the power of actually, I think it’s a course in miracles that says creation is communication, which I think in our modern world is incredibly important because in a sense, it’s all especially what you do. It’s all about communication, connectivity, creative, creativity, caring for each other. So I had in the book, the four C’s, as I called it, I think that that all applies for the modern society, especially the stuff that you’re doing. And if you start using the experiment, I’m not an ego. Let me see if I think that the other guy ain’t so bad. If I start with a premise, let me see what happened. In next day. The guy starts You know, taking the foreign advantages, okay, Soviet experiment wasn’t, wasn’t so successful. But in my experience, I did it for seven years. It worked like a charm. But it was a psychological experience. You felt the fear the other person felt the fear the getting together is a process. It doesn’t happen overnight. But when you start out with that process, let me experiment those very powerful themes. A you will be successful. But if you do it on a higher level, if a CEO start saying, you know what we are all, we all talk the talk, but we don’t walk the walk, right? We all say all we can take care of each other. But at the end of the day, whoever brings in the most money is the guy who gets promoted and whoever doesn’t bring in the most money as a problem, right? Well, that’s a very spiritual because it might be that this is support person, a blue guy who actually carries himself A team, right? But you only reward the guy who brings in the money. Sure. So if you really start with the premise, we are one unit. Let’s take care of each other. Let’s build something together. Let’s have an incentive structure that really rewards true connectivity and trusting each other. I do think operations can go very far. Because when you really believe in the in the company you’re working for you go out of your way to deliver when you think Well, my boss is just telling stories, and he doesn’t care for me at all. And the moment when things don’t go my way out the out of the door. You will not deliver the same goods that you do and I think it’s a very powerful

Brandon Handley 37:48

100% hundred percent like, you know, I just left one company not too long ago, and that was the feel you nothing ever felt safe and secure. Right? Not for For top performers or bottom performers, nobody. So how are you going to perform on a consistent basis in that environment? versus where I’m at now, um, similar environment of me similar similar type of work. But, you know, like I said, the, from the top down, they’re leading with spirituality, and they mean it. It’s very powerful. It’s also challenging to wrap my head around some of it, you know, because I’m just grown up with this other environment, right? So you’ve grown up in this other environment, you’re like, Okay, well, you’ve got to adapt and somewhat rapidly, but it seems like what is this? So just going through a new wardrobe right here, you gotta try on these.

Christian Wiese 38:47

For anybody who has been trained by the modern Western model. You know, tough guys finish first. nice guys finish last and similar statements. America, it shouldn’t happen. But the model that we are living, the Western society is living and the eastern guys are a little different. They’re smarter than us. They have, they have a little bit more of that idea of oneness. And the Europeans are somewhere in the middle. So I know a little bit about it, because at work, I was covering Japan, which is really at the other extreme of the, of the spectrum. I live. I’ve spent now most of my life in the US, but I grew up in Germany. So I actually felt that I experienced was all three models, Europe, somewhere in between the Americans very much about the individual, and the Asians, the Chinese, the Japanese kind of really believing in the power of one, right. Every model has its strengths and advantages. I guess if you play football, you should believe in the proper cause. If you play golf, you should you should believe in the power of the individual. But if you’re on a company, maybe some of the spiritual concept people make you a lot of money.

Brandon Handley 40:02

Yeah, no, no 100%. You know, just just again, going back to the point like when you show your teammates, you know, cooperation and you give them trust and you support them in, you know, give them some autonomy, right? Don’t micromanage price and value their inputs genuinely. It’s changes the whole dynamic.

Christian Wiese 40:29

They work from early in the morning until late at night if we need to produce something because they believe in, right?

Brandon Handley 40:38

Yeah. No, that’s true. That’s true. I wanted to hit you know, two more things here. The bliss point, you know, I think that’s an interesting concept and idea, what would you you know, what would you say that that is, is there a specific one, there’s definitely been numbers thrown about there. How can you tell that you are As your bliss point,

Christian Wiese 41:02

it’s very complicated, then I do think you sometimes need a coach like you for that. Because you shouldn’t short sell yourself. You shouldn’t say all text is not good for me. That’s what the book said, Oh, I shouldn’t be greedy and shouldn’t earn money. And I hate those capitalists who have that big house and right. No, that’s a lot of repression in debts knew it could be true for some, maybe there are some monks, but there’s a lot of repression. And I don’t think that’s spirituality at all. I think, again, going back to the young example, first you try to assert yourself, you say, I need a loving companion, I need a worker I can really express myself. I like because it’s and I like big cars and I like to have a motorcycle. I want to have those three things. And then you try to try for 10 years. 15 years, maybe After the changes, you know what? I now understand the trade off. Yes, I could earn money but it doesn’t give me meaning. Or maybe it’s the kind of well I earn a lot of money and it gives me so much meaning. We can’t say what happened to an individual, but everybody has to try to so the way I would put it is everybody has to create a garden, you know, the Garden of Eden, your own personal garden, and you figure out over the decades what it really is, that is important. We, of course, family men. I mean, to me, family is everything. No. But we both love creative expression and connecting with others.

Brandon Handley 42:39

Yeah, listen, I mean, that’s that for me is so huge, right? I you know, we you said, you know, so we’ve used the word creative and creativity so often through here, you know, I think a lot of people are under the mistaken impression that creativity can only be applied to painting or drawing or writing? Where else can it be applied from your from your perspective?

Christian Wiese 43:05

Well, I was at work, as I said, I started out as an economist, but then I realized if I just put out an economic forecast, people say very interesting, but how can I make money? And you know, then you say, Okay, well, how can I help them making money and then you go into the direction of well, it’s all psychology. As long as that line goes down, people are depressed, but the moment when it stops going down, that’s the moment when markets get exciting. So it was about psychology about getting appealed for short term forecasts and how it can, can use it. And the most wonderful transition happened over those 20 years. 10 years I spent as a scientist, right. And then 10 years I spent as an artist, because then certainly when I came to psychology, it’s but above feeling when it came to those lines that went up and down was literally taking the pencil thing I have a hunch that over the next couple of months, we will start seeing this. And I literally became an artist of have better pattern recognition is is as much an art as a science. And I immediately went into the artists position. So Can anybody be creative at Walmart? I don’t know. You know, sometimes we have to leave certain places. But Can everybody within that job description can find ways to connect more to be more creative to really express themselves? Absolutely. Because I lifted I learned about I needed a long time for that, I hope with your help other people that can do it faster. I literally needed 10 years. But it’s been a long time now, because I went from the left part of the brain to the right part of the brain. And you literally have to restructure your neurons to be to come out on the other side.

Brandon Handley 44:55

Now for sure, for sure. And I think Well, I think that with technology Today, not necessarily the, you know, compute power or any of these other things, but with the ability to listen to audios and go out and find what it is that is striking your chord. And you can go and you can do, you can build those neuron paths quickly. I pray, you can build this neuron pass quickly. So the others I asked about, like, you know, kind of, and I appreciate, you know, how you applied like the artistry to to your work and you became an artist in that space. But one of the, you know, you ended it with like, you know, the person at Walmart, can they be creative? Can they become an artist? I say yes, in the sense of, they create the experience. Right? You know, how do you create meaning in what it is that you do and the example that I use years ago, for me, was when I was banging around on Excel spreadsheets and press n Buttons every day as a man, all I do is I show it to work, I bang bang around on this machine, I press buttons, I say, what what are you really doing? And what am I really doing? And, you know, so for me, I was selling to a large service provider at that time. And I thought about the, the idea of what I was doing was enabling all the bits and zeros in like, everywhere that was happening because the work that I was doing was directly touching almost every bit of zero that you know, covered at least east coast. So, and, you know, I was like, well, who’s at the end of the end of that today? I’m creating relationships today I’m enabling, you know, these things. So, I would say, you know, for the person that is at Walmart, and if they can create a happy experience that they can help somebody locate, you know, maybe racquetball for whatever for that person’s dog. They’re creating an experience and so they are In essence creating, it’s your willingness to recognize your creative capacity.

Christian Wiese 47:06

That’s right. I have a beautiful story that I share in the upcoming book, which will come out maybe later this year, early next year. It’s called the daymaker. Did you hear that story? Now? Tell me about it. Okay, so there was a guy who was flying business class from Australia. And he was flying business class and he was sitting next to and you know, one of those very serious business type people and, and, and the guy said, so what do you do for a living? He said, Oh, I’m a daymaker. The guy looked at him as a daymaker. What are you okay, so it turns out, he was a hairdresser. But he said he had so much fun doing it and he had so much energy that, that he, you know, emitted in a sense he was doing He was making the day for people. And initially when you had to start this out a very interesting UI opinion of themselves, but then the start continues and says one day he was in this in a shop and a woman came one customer, she came two weeks ahead of schedule, it’s out. Can you speak to me in Excel? Absolutely. And he said on that day, they both had a lot of fun developing support, and he presumed that she had a special event that you had to go through. So you know, they spent an hour together and then she went off. And a week later, she got a he got a letter from her saying that on that day, she actually wanted to commit suicide, but she kind of wanted to look good. And by just hanging out with that guy and feeling his energy, and you know, she always liked him, he decided not to. So you know, that really gives meaning to the word daymaker. And I think very much like your spiritual experience to see ones and zeros. If we just if we just start To remind ourselves what kind of input we have, right? I think that already would be out of this point.

Brandon Handley 49:06

Yeah, yeah. No, I love that story because the impact that you’re having is so much greater than, than you’re giving yourself credit for. That’s right, right. That’s wrong. So well, you know, so you’ve got the two books, you’ve got the way of the Meister that’s out. You have the experience. Experiment. What’s the other one? Because a magnificent experiment, magnificent experiment. And now you’ve got another one coming out. Yeah. What’s up? Do you have a you have a working title yet?

Christian Wiese 49:34

Yeah, actually, we have a couple of books. So I mentioned my partner, we want to open a spiritual center and, and she has a mentor in Cape Town. And, and she has translated a book that deals with chick Gong. So the energy dynamics and we put out that that book because I think it really is addresses an area that that in our in our industry, I was almost tempted to say in our you know, in our profession is often overlooked the feelings of power feelings. So literally to understand the feelings that are going through it and having method of dealing with them. So that’s one very exciting book, The title is letting go release your suffering. Okay. The other book is a little bit more into the philosophical direction that I started to discuss here a little bit. It’s kind of what is religious state of no self, it’s really the ultimate freedom so that the title of the book is breaking free. So really the discussing the next step in the spiritual journey that happens to everyone, which is just in a sense, becoming part of a bigger oneness, which itself increasingly being, you know, out of the picture, which is really a lot of fun.

Brandon Handley 50:54

Right, right. I mean, once you remove yourself and you know, I talked about it without One of my first podcasts is kind of letting go and letting God

Christian Wiese 51:02

Right. Yeah. Right. Same idea. Right. Do you want to talk

Brandon Handley 51:08

about spiritual center at all? I just got coming up. How’s that looking for you? I think it’s super exciting for you. How’s it? How’s that? How’s that feel?

Christian Wiese 51:14

Yeah, so we got a little delayed with the COVID crisis, because, you know, meditation is all about hanging out with each other. We haven’t done anything. She sits in Washington, DC. So the hope is we start something in Washington, DC, but we will only get a reading on that next year. Okay. This is just about getting the book out and hopefully, we’ll build some momentum.

Brandon Handley 51:38

Awesome. I love it. I love it. So I think I think the book, both ones I’ve read, I’ve enjoyed and I think that they’ve helped me on my spiritual journey. They’ve helped me to, you know, see how you’ve gone through it right because others other Listen, people have gone through what you’re going through for any listener out there, right. So no matter what you think you’re going through Somebody has gone through this, you’re not the first you won’t be the last. That’s right. It is a it is a wonderful, crazy experience. But there are people like, you know, I can reach out to Christian if I’m going through something and just talk about it right? And he’s gone through it. A lot of the stuff that I’ve gone through or you’re very good at helping give me direction at least feel like hey, maybe not me, but maybe maybe go you know, look in this area, here’s, you know.

Unknown Speaker 52:27

And so

Brandon Handley 52:29

by reading your books, I can kind of see where my journey is going. And so I really enjoy that. So thank you for writing these books. Thanks you for sharing with with not just me, but with others, right? Your journey has been very, very helpful. Where should we send people to go kind of find you and get in contact with you?

Christian Wiese 52:47

No, I think the best way I mean, you can find me on Facebook, but otherwise, the best way is really my website. It’s w w w dot Christian and then my middle initial which is m which is also the maesteg And then my last name visa.com. And they can find everything access to the books and to the block and and also to somebody who wants to work with me my services. So that’s the best way of

Brandon Handley 53:15

awesome thanks for hanging out today.

Christian Wiese 53:16

Thank you so much for this

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