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Catch up with Devon and Tamara of the Align and Rise Podcast:

They are here to empower spiritual beings to tap into their fullest potential. They share memories & experiences to inspire and uplift you. Remember you are authentic, unique and there is only ONE YOU!

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited as Bob process? Rest assured, you are not alone, the world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But he’s the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:40
One, hey, there’s spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Devin and tomarrow of the Align and rise podcast. And they’re here to empower spiritual beings to tap into their fullest potential. They share memories and experiences to inspire and uplift you. Remember you are authentic, unique, and there’s only one you they are two women who love to chat about all the in depth experiences, opportunities and growth that you they have navigated throughout their way. They love life growing and they love to hear other people’s perspective. They love to hear other people. So demonstra thanks for having being here

Unknown Speaker 1:21
today. Thanks for having us.

Unknown Speaker 1:24
We’re super excited. Thank you. This is our very first interview. On another podcast. We’re usually the ones doing the interviewing. So this is really exciting.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Well, yeah, right. Yeah. Well, you had me on and that was part of the conversation. And I think that there was the jet. I said, Hey, how can I support you guys? Right? And you were like, Go big or go home? It wasn’t exactly like that. I was like, You know what? Okay, probably was it says, you know, what, if we what if we were on your podcast? Like hell yeah. Right. So it’s kind of a no brainer. So thanks for thanks for being on. This is actually my first one where I’ve interviewed two people simultaneously as a unit got alive and rise here. So I’d be interested to hear your response here. One of the ways that I look at this whole thing that we’re doing right, we’re sending an amplified communication out to the universe, as it were, and we ourselves are all vessels of creative source energy, whatever, right? We express that throughout whatever we’re doing. And sometimes the answers and come conversation that we have, is going to be heard by somebody on the other end, it’s just like, wow, I really needed that today, right? And my question to the both of you is, what is that message that’s coming through you today that you need to share with the universe?

Unknown Speaker 2:59
When we’re both looking at each, usually,

Unknown Speaker 3:03
let’s talk first

Unknown Speaker 3:08
just throws me in the spotlight. I think honestly, for us, like, we’ve had so many incredible opportunities come up on this journey of growth. And we could have thrown the towel in 100 times. But recognizing that we are here for something bigger, and we were created with a purpose, we’ve understood, throwing in the towel is not an option. We’ve learned that we are here to serve others. And we were given the opportunity to start podcasting and being able to serve others through that. And I think the biggest message is honestly just to hear what’s on your heart, and understand that that is placed there specifically for you, as an individual, nobody else gets that dream that you have on your heart. And just to chase it, and to go after it with as much love and tenacity and enthusiasm as possible. And it’s gonna feel hard and it’s gonna feel tough, but you just have to keep going.

Unknown Speaker 4:12
Mm hmm. Well, and sometimes like, I think that in that space as well, when you’re going through stuff, it’s sometimes it feels like the same stuff, kind of repeat it’s like, term that I heard was rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. And those are like lessons in life that we get to go through in order to get to the next place where you get to do something different another rinse and repeat until you learn from that and, and what I feel is that it’s really nice to be able to, excuse me, get a cough in my throat is to have that with someone else where that person can Be there for you recognize things and very lovingly bring that to you. I just got like that frog in my throat like the worst time was like a tickle. I don’t know why

Brandon Handley 5:16
there’s never a good time for a frog in the throat must be, let’s be clear there so

Unknown Speaker 5:20
well it’s like literally it’s like feels like it’s going into my left eye right now. Anyways, that’s a Crazy Frog. Ah, yes, anyways, so that’s the other view here.

Brandon Handley 5:30
Yeah, we’re gonna be here to help you recover. That’s gonna be the first thing we’re here for. So I enjoy, you know, the idea that we’re here for a bigger purpose, we can satisfy a number of our own personal needs, and even our family’s needs. And still, it seems kind of like, we’re not giving all that we’ve got right, we’re not feeling as though we’re contributing, I think that what you’re talking about is the idea of contributing to the greater good and the whole. And, and in a way that you’re doing doing it. That’s being led by the heart. It’s kind of what I’m getting from the both you and then the idea to that. Being able to do it with each other, the way that you two are and having that kind of support mechanism. And I think it was Devin, you were talking about, you know, being able to, you know, basically call somebody out on their bullshit but lovingly, or vice versa. Right, be like, Hey, how do we how do I, you know, I see that you’re, you know, sometimes somebody doesn’t respond to like, I see that you’re struggling? How can I help? And sometimes it’s got to be done in another way. But still from a place from the heart. And it sounds like that’s what the two of you have found with each other. And you’re working. You’re scaling that by doing your podcast? Is that fair? Yeah. I love that. Like it’s called heartland.

Unknown Speaker 7:09
Yeah, absolutely. And we have realized, we tried one podcast having like, kind of a guideline and a script, I feel like it was a little bit of a disaster. And we have realized that intuitive, that that’s us, we we just follow our heart and we listen to our gut. That’s what we speak from. We don’t have a script, we don’t have questions. Even the interviews that we’ve done, have all just been intuitive and heartless, and that feels so good. And I think that’s really helped our relationship where we’ve come together to have that peace to lean on one another, and to call each other out on those things. And it’s honestly, like, I can’t hide anything from Devin to try. It’s like, okay, like, you’re not doing this, tell me what’s going on. It’s like the floodgates open. And then we just have this like, yes, that’s how I’m feeling. I couldn’t put it into words, and you felt it and you figured it out. And just having this place of zero judgment of complete, just love. Just knowing that it doesn’t matter what we’re going through, we’re always gonna get through it together. And it’s been really cool to have this platform podcasting together, because we get to share those experiences with other people and serve them while we grow at the same time and then share that story of growth. And it’s just really been the coolest experience.

Brandon Handley 8:42
Sounds like yeah, I would call it like, acceptance and action. Right, and you to have found, you know, a friendship, a partnership, where it’s, you know, you accept each other for who you are and what you’re going through, and, and you’re helping each other forward in a supportive manner towards towards your dreams, right, the two of you put this podcast together, you were talking, we were talking a little bit before we got going here. You know, how there’s been some stumbling blocks in what it is that you’re doing, which I want to get to. But what I wanted to really hit on first is like, right, you know, for me, this is my third podcast, right? My first one was on fatherhood, which was cool, no one diver. Second one was on, you know, prosperity, law of attraction type stuff, also great. But then I was like, fuck it, like I’m really just kind of hiding behind this curtain of, you know, like this, you know, Wizard of Oz style, where like, I’m not really talking about what’s on my heart, which is spirituality and leaning into that. And since I’ve done that, it’s been awesome. Right? So my question is, you know, what made you to decide spirituality was was was your, your kind of lean in and go forward thing and let’s talk about how you found yourselves there.

Unknown Speaker 9:58
That’s going to be different quite like that’s very, that’s looks so different. I would like to I would like to leave this one tomorrow because I think this actually has to be love for you too. I think this actually like my, my spirituality and how I have found so much love and acceptance from Tamara. So like, to kind of give you the backstory, Tamara and I went to youth group together for years. And in high school. Here, as I say, like two I was only in Creston for two years when and started going to church and Tamara joined and she’s younger than like a monk. Yeah, she’s younger than me. And we were going and so we were like, very much like we got called, like Holy Rollers and stuff. We were part of the Pentecostal church, we were called a lot of things that we found like community, which was great. And then I got married really young at 21 had four kids ended up separating from my x, and I’ve been separated now for six years. Last God just completely dropped God in every way, don’t talk to me about him, I’m never setting foot in another church, I felt very hurt, very betrayed from just like everything that went on in the relationship that I liked. And in that time, Tamara started reaching out to me through Beachbody. And we kind of started talking and then I joined eventually under her and so we started having more of a relationship and, and bringing up our friendship from the past. And what I had found was as I was journeying through like both of us, I would say, really, our spiritual journey both started is about six years ago, for both of us where there was like this. Right, like, like a hard line, like you were talking about line. And that’s like your thing lately, tomorrow’s like line in the sand. This was like a hard interval is very different places, but a hard line. And we started kind of growing, and probably two years without each other of just growth. And then we really started stepping into each other’s life. What I had found was going from the state of like, I was very devout to church and everything for a long time, and then completely losing myself to all of it. Like I went down to the very bottom of the bottom with that, like, I felt very lost, I felt alone, didn’t know what I was doing, knew that I wanted to I needed needed spirituality on some level. And I just didn’t know what that was gonna look like, because I had lost all of my faith. And through all of everything that I have been through, Tamara has been there and held my hand, watched me cry, loved me, never judged me. She was going to church, he was going, she never judged me. There was not a single time that and maybe she maybe she did, but she let it go, right? If she did have any judgments, but she was there, she loved me. And that created open space. And gave me grace gave me forgiveness, to realize that tomorrow was like the example of what a person going to church should look like. And it led me Not that I’m going back to church, not that I’m stuck. Like, I’m not doing that, um, I found my own spirituality in just believing that God is or the universe or the source energy, whatever you want to call it is around us all the time. But it allowed me to get some forgiveness for myself, and for the people around me because of the scars that were there when I left my relationship. So for me, spirituality is more than just finding within yourself. It’s like also the other people that are around you, they get to support you and love you and love like, Jesus love, right? Like, that’s, that’s what tomorrow. I mean, this is just tomorrow, right? This is one person I’ve had other people in my life who are very spiritual in different ways, and we’re, we’re just all connected. And that spirituality to me is like, there is spirituality doesn’t see any hard lines of like your, you know, your Jehovah’s Witness your Mormon, your Pentecostal your Catholic it, it should never see that it should just be like we are one we are connected. And we need to love each other period.

Brandon Handley 14:39
Like it, you know, really sounds sounds like the six year journey for you. And kind of, you know, this just loss of spirituality. Which I kind of I do want to dig into that a little bit. I love how you guys correct me if I’m wrong, but Beachbody MLM yes or no Yeah, I love how you guys reconnected through like an MLM. Right? Like you always hear horror stories, but this sounds like a good one. And you know, so it was

Unknown Speaker 15:09
really funny because I sent the worst messages back then.

Brandon Handley 15:13
No doubt, no doubt, right? I mean, I think absolutely, that’s right. That’s part of the path. And trust me, again, I know, right? You’re just like, you know, hey, this is what you’re supposed to say. I’m sure I’ll say this. Everybody’s by my shit. You’d be a great salesperson anyways. You’d be great at this. So let’s hear a little bit on your side. And then we can kind of unpack some of this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 15:40
Yeah, absolutely. So as Devin was saying, we both grew up in the Pentecostal church, like I went to, I think it was called, like the school or something. It was like church before kindergarten, preschool, basically, but in a church. So like, my grandma grew up in the Pentecostal church, my aunts, uncles, on my mom’s side of the family, all very, like spiritual. And that was there, we prayed, we all of the things that of course, like had my years through my teen years, where I struggled and all of the things. But really, the last six years for sure, coming up seven, so my youngest, after he was born, I struggled and hit rock bottom with postpartum, though worst depression and anxiety I’ve ever experienced in my whole entire life. And for me, I leaned in so hard to my faith and my relationship with God, I’m just becoming closer with him praying, really just leaning on family and reaching out to those family members who were, you know, Christian in my family, who believed in faith, who believed in prayer, who believed in coming together, and just like leaning on all of that. And so I just think it’s really cool how, around the same time frame, Dev was literally falling apart and losing her faith. And I was leaning in hard, and like how we both came together to this place where we are now. So that was really where everything kind of started for me. But it turned into not so much just like that. God relationship, the heart relationship with my heavenly Father, it was like, I didn’t know who I was. I had no idea what that even looked like, I was a mom, I had these kids, I was struggling, life sucked. I was literally surviving and just getting through my days. And I remember my son was 10 months old, and I was depressed, and I was binge eating. And I was doing all of these things that I thought happiness was somewhere in there. And I remember just like that line in the sand, there has to be more I need to feel more than this. Like this can’t just be it for the rest of forever, where I just get up and I just survive through my days. And I raised my kids and I’m unhappy. And that was where I really started seeking more of a relationship inner of who I was. And I started doing that work inside that healing work that working through anxiety, working through the Depression, that I was feeling, letting go of those things. And really, opening up to this whole world of like, who I was, as an individual, I was a mum really young. And I lost that when I became a mom, I was just a mom and I was just a wife and I was just a whatever. And I didn’t have this, I didn’t know who I was. And so that was sort of my journey back into figuring out who I was letting go of those people pleasing tendencies of worrying about other people’s opinions and really, truly just getting to the core of who I am. And that sort of got this direction that I moving in like and it feels so freeing and it feels so good. And just to realize everybody has their own spiritual journey, not one person doesn’t look the same. And I’ve realized like I used to have this very narrow view of it’s only the church it’s only this is only one way it has to be God it has to be that I’ve realized like I love hearing like stories from Jay Shetty love Him the whole journey of a monk Buddhism like all everybody has this universal God that they serve. And that that that is love like like Devin said we’re we’re here to love people. And it doesn’t matter where we find that love or what that looks like or feels like to each of us because it’s different and different. is beautiful.

Brandon Handley 19:53
I mean look right with without without without those differences, then then it’s kind of kind of boring, right? You got this same show, one was going all the way back to the beginning when he talked about was it rinse and repeat same stuff, right, you’re gonna see the same thing over and over again. There’s no chance for revision or something else, right? I always think about the whole idea that to have like, if you know what tomorrow is gonna be like, it’s gonna be kind of easy, right, kind of, like Groundhog’s Day. You know, you do like, the great thing about like, knowing that tomorrow is gonna be the same as today, like, Okay, well, since, what, whatever it say it was like, I can make tomorrow better by eliminating some of the things that didn’t work and doing more of the things that did. Right. And as for, you know, I kind of talk What I mean is that it’s not fun, right? You found yourself in survival mode, like, you know, binge eating and things like that, and looking for happiness not and of course, like, sometimes you think you’re happy when you’re eating that ice cream, like cookies and cream it’s in? I’m happy in this moment. But like you’re crying at the same time, like, why is

Unknown Speaker 21:05
your bag of chips at 3am.

Brandon Handley 21:09
But it also it also, you know, sounds like you do, we’re stuck in your identity, crisis of identity. You go from you go from you know, kind of school to being a parent, there’s no time for you to discover who you are as a person. Right? Because you, you haven’t spent that time as an individual. And then now you’re giving all that you are and who you are, to like this family and and to your point, you’re like, Hey, I’m just trying to find some Hi, how can I be happy? How can I be me? Outside of this cog in the system? Right. It sounds to me like that’s kind of where you got caught, right? And then finding, leaning into your spiritual, I was kind of funny, you mentioned, you know, you you were leaning in, and you you were finding your religion in Devon was losing hers, right? It’s kind of what was going on. But at the same time, you too, were, you know, able to grab hold of each other again, and just say, hey, you know, tomorrow for us, like, you know, the more I dig into this, the more I’m finding my face. And Devin for you, you’re like, the further I get away from it, the more that I find that I need it, and finding you know what work for you. He has figured that out sounds like kind of together, right? And as you’re talking tomorrow sounds to me also, like, it’s liberating to be connected to spirit, right connected to whatever that looks like for you. And as you’re saying, like, everybody’s journey is gonna be a little different. I know that after I kind of went through my own awakening experience, like, this is how it’s gonna be for you. And this is how it’s gonna be. And then you’re gonna go up against like, you know, your journey. And oh, and then when you tripped over this hole in the ground, this is where you’re going to be I know exactly where you are. Right? And I don’t, I can’t, right, because your journey is gonna be like you said, 100% 100% your own. So you too. Yeah, lost it. Yeah, pulled it back together. And now like, you’ve kind of pulled it back together, you’ve got this platform, what’s your intent with it now kind of going forward? And like, what are some of the what are some of the challenges that you’re having?

Unknown Speaker 23:34
To do you

Unknown Speaker 23:39
I just feel like I wanted to touch on one more thing. And this basically led to it. So this whole like parenting thing. Devin is really helped me realize, like in that whole losing your identity and finding yourself and like, I still have these moments where I’m like, my kids need me all the time. And Devon’s like, they’re not gonna die when you’re doing the things that you want to do. So, this has been, like a really good lesson for me, but we’re a busy family, my kids are doing all the things and I’m running here, and I’m doing this and like, I feel like, this might not come out. Right, but like, they depend on me. It’s already not coming out, right? Maybe I want them to depend on me more than they actually do. Maybe that’s it, that feels really shitty to say.

Brandon Handley 24:37
Look, I mean, I mean, and that’s part of that’s part of just saying all right, well, it’s it’s it’s a work in progress, right? It’s like identifying that me like, is that true? Right. That’s just kind of one of those things that you can kind of go through as an exercise be like, you know, I don’t know. Not for nothing to air, but nobody’s knocked on your door and like a half hour.

Unknown Speaker 24:58
I know. Right? This is they’re fine. They’re, they’re thriving downstairs. So yeah, just like little thing was we were eating in a podcast today. And then my son needed me. And I was like, Deb, like, my kiddo needs me. And we were gonna meet up in podcasts. And I like, texted her and I was like, I’m like, feeling all the things and I’m sitting in it, and I’m just letting and letting it go. And she calls me she’s like, okay, like, what’s happening, and like, helped me unpack how I’m feeling. And it was like, I’m trying to cram all of these things in one day. And this is how I explained it. I was like, Wednesday’s were, we’re typically podcasting days, that’s what we did. And then they turned into, like, my only day off. And now all of these other things are piling up, and I’m trying to balance it all and fit it into one day, which is affecting our podcasting. Because, obviously, I can’t balance all the things that I was like, that fills my cup. Lately, Wednesday’s feel like, you know, when you put a cup in the sink, and you crank the water on and like, the waters just splashing out of the cup, and none of it staying in there. Because it’s like, full force, and then you shut the water off and the cups just empty. I pray for water fresh Alex basically.

Brandon Handley 26:19
Yes, like that. I get it. So, you know, you’re, it sounds like you’re going through, you know, just kind of the growth mode, right, of how to make it all work and how to, you know, this is the thing that you want to be doing. And I think we talked a little bit at the beginning, like, you know, universe is gonna throw like little things that you’d be like, Are you sure that’s what you want to do? And, you know, you’ve got to kind of work through that to show the universe that God however you want to look at it. Right that, yeah, this is the thing I want to be doing. So stop fussing with it.

Unknown Speaker 26:51
Right. It’s like the little squirrel on the tree, like throwing nuts. That’s it? And you’re like, where’s this?

Brandon Handley 26:58
So, you know, look, parent parenting, I think is one of those things where, again, yeah, we want them. We, it’s a challenge. We want them to want us sometimes more than they actually need us. And even that’s a challenge, right? As we’re growing, because like, What do you mean, you don’t need me anymore? So and again, that just caused you to kind of go back into the womb I identity questions, what am I attached to? Right, just another opportunity to look at your attachments of yourself and all that other. Egotistical shifted, I don’t know how to talk to so all good there. But as so look, you got it, you guys are figuring it all out. Right? And you’re working it through. So what’s, you know, what’s on the rise for a line and rise? What are you guys looking to do with this platform? Oh,

Unknown Speaker 27:49
man, we Well, here’s the thing. We, we I think that that the really cool thing about doing something that you don’t know, is that you constantly get to learn. And so, I mean, we’ve taken so many pivots, we’ve turned so many times already, like, we don’t know exactly where we’re headed. But we we I mean, we, we have some ideas, we have some thoughts about where we’re where we’re going, but it feels like every time that we do something, you always have something else that’s kind of up the ante and up the ante, you know, like, it’s like, you know, when we first started the podcast, and, you know, we’re learning all these things, and doing all these things and recording that we never knew how to do to begin with. So we do those things. And we’re like, Okay, now we’re good. And then we’re like, we’re not interviewing anybody, obviously, we’re just gonna do and then now we started interviewing, and now we’re being interviewed. And now we’re starting to do tic TOCs. And now we’re starting to Instagram lives. And so we don’t really know. But that’s the beauty of just having trust and faith that the universe has your back. And that when you believe that your intuition is always guiding you and that it’s never wrong, then you open up freedom and space to constantly pivot and constantly move. And that’s kind of I think, and Americans speak for, for herself in this point, that that’s kind of where it feels like we’re headed is just that we’re constantly moving. And we’re constantly like, this is one moment that, you know, with the block, shall we call it but it’s not even really a block. It’s just like, we’re there together. We’re pointing it out together. She’s like, Yes, I see this clearly. Let’s move through it. How can I and then so she’s figuring out like, Hey, I just got to free up one more day for myself so I can get these things done. And then I can focus on this. Just podcasts on this day, because she wants it and so you know, you’re talking about you know the universe saying Oh, do you wanted enough? Well, We want this it just happens that we are two people. And we’re both affected. Because it’s ours. It’s I’m not just finding rise. I’m it’s Tamara and Devin that is aligned in rise. So I feel like then a book that we’re reading the 12 week year, he talks about accountability. But he said, accountability is never like someone else, you know, you don’t get to blame someone else when you don’t do something. Accountability is just so that that person can help you measure your goals and make sure that you’re staying on track, but it’s still yours. You know, we have this tainted view of like, accountability, that that part in this book, really, because I think a lot of times people are like, just keep me accountable. And then if you don’t like if you’re not like, Hey, did you work out? Hey, did you work out? They’re like, Oh, you didn’t keep me? No, no, no, no, no, you’re accountable for you. I’m here to help you, I’m here to help, you know, guide you, but you still have to go push play, and you still have to lift the weights. And so that’s, um, you know, how we’re getting over any blocks that we come up, this isn’t the first time like that, you know, we’ve headed over a block and and then we just take a turn, because maybe something may be slowing us down so that we could see this thing over here that we’re really interested in. And that’s kind of so we’re really, I think, just focused on being guided by our own intuition. And, you know, call it spirituality call it whatever. Yeah, that’s where tomorrow, I don’t know if you have anything else to add. But

Unknown Speaker 31:33
I just want to add that we, I think I started this, like, we had a little woman’s conference with our book club a couple years ago. And I kind of started this, everything works out exactly as it’s supposed to. And it didn’t matter what it was, every time something would happen. We’d feel like there was like a little stone thrown in the way or like a blip in our plan. I would just say that. And I’m really leaning into that right now. Like all of the things that kind of feel tough and a little bit gray and a little bit like where are we going? It like Deb said it’s honestly just leaning in trusting the process. And just really trusting that everything works out exactly as it’s supposed to.

Brandon Handley 32:18
Really, like Joseph Campbell, follow your bliss kind of thing. You guys are working. Is that what I’m hearing?

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Yeah. We I’ve never heard of him, but it sounds great. Oh,

Brandon Handley 32:32
that’s terrible. I have to boot you know,

Unknown Speaker 32:36
maybe just send me a link.

Brandon Handley 32:39
I guess I could do that. That doesn’t seem as aggressive or anything like that.

Unknown Speaker 32:42
Does that make you nicer?

Brandon Handley 32:46
No shock factor there.

Unknown Speaker 32:50
So one thing I do want to add, though, is go ahead if that’s okay. Yeah. In terms of like, where we’re heading to is we’re just like constantly pivoting and moving and what wherever we’re supposed to be as where we’re supposed to be one of our biggest part of our vision, I guess the biggest part of it. Yeah, our dream is to, again, we have no idea what it looks like. But we see ourselves like speaking on stages, we would love to host a conference, like a mindset conference, where we’re focusing on, like, our health and wealth and spiritual, all of the things to do with like, this growth journey, and just sharing tips and tricks and coming together with other people that have things that they can offer to serve other people in creating something really big and fun out of it.

Brandon Handley 33:46
Yeah, let me look, it’s kind of like, um, before coming on this podcast, because sometimes speak that out loud, right? Because sometimes we hold these dreams and and we’re like, Ah, I’m not gonna tell anybody. Just go eat, see what happens. Not gonna tell anybody this is what I want, though speaking it into a corner, but like, you know, speaking some of that stuff out loud to the people that you know, so they know, right? Like, you know what, I was talking to somebody else that would like to do something similar. How can I connect you guys, right? So I think that, you know, in terms of sharing that type of information, what is your vision? What does that look like for you? And for others that are tuning in? They can they might, you know, a hear your journey and be like, Hey, I would like to start a podcast with a friend and what’s that look like? It looks like not knowing what you’re doing and then going to do it. Right, which is, you know, that’s the first step for a lot of anybody, right? Just make a decision to go ahead and do it. How do you feel, you know, a big part two of all this is now that you feel like you’re connected spiritually. You know, how do you how do you feel like You’re integrating that like every day sounds to me, like, you know, what was what was your mantra earlier tomorrow? Like, yeah, this is meant to be. Everything works out exactly.

Unknown Speaker 35:11
Works out exactly as it’s supposed to. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:15
We know, one of the questions I’ve certainly gotten before is like he without, without, like, definite vision or a plan? Is anybody beating you up on that you know,

Unknown Speaker 35:26
at all? About it having a vision or plan? Well, you know, it’d

Brandon Handley 35:30
be like, what’s your plan, you need to have a plan, you gotta have a plan. If you don’t have anything that you don’t have a target, where are you gonna go? You know, is that anybody? Anything that’s come up in your conversations? Are you just again, you know, following following your face?

Unknown Speaker 35:43
Hmm. Well, I remember having this conversation about not having expectations. And that’s not like, we don’t give a shit. No expectations. It’s honestly, and Deb can touch more on this, because I love how she says it. But basically, like, if we have this narrow path of where we’re going, there’s so many things we’re gonna miss out on. Because we’re, we have our blinders on. And we’re like, this is this one thing that we want. There’s so many other things for us. And if we’re just like, hey, no expectations, the world is our oyster. We have so many more opportunities to grow and pivot along the way, because we have we see see more opportunities. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 36:27
Yeah, I, we that was our beginning of our year that we started out with the no expectations, like I had done a week in the giant in Book Club. I think it was just me, and maybe one of the other girls, because it’s like a massive book by Tony Robbins. And he even says in there, he talks about how so this like, actually ended up playing into our conversation when we started talking about it in January of last year, because I had read the book in November, December. And so it was like, he talks about how like, it’s good to get like goals, like you can say I want to live in a house on the ocean. But he said, You don’t have to be like, it has to be blue with yellow shutters. And it has to look exact, he’s like, it doesn’t have to be that specific. And then when you do that, it’s like, so limited to like, it has to look exactly like this, or I am not accepting it. And what that just doesn’t feel good. So like, we have decided that this like last year, for example, that our our plans are, what they are like we we have this plan to host a conference, our friend owns. She just bought a motel last year, and she’s working on creating a retreat center. That’s happening, her dreams, and ours are aligning. We’ve talked about it with her, we’ve discussed it, we’ve dreamt we’ve had these visions, and we’ve had visions separately, all three of us. And then we share them to each other. We’re like, this is what I saw. And this is you know, like. And so there’s this beautiful part, that makes me really excited that like, I can only dream up of mostly like what we create, unless we sit down very intentionally, to dream really, really big, which most of us do not do. We know what we know. And we’re like, Well, I guess, you know, like, you could say, well, you know, you don’t have a car, you’re like, Well, I guess I could just like maybe maybe I could just get like a Honda Civic or something. But when you’re required to dream big, you’re like, you need to ask for like, you know, a McLaren or like a Lamborghini. Or like, it’s, we’re not. And I think that we get like, held down by that we get held down by the fact that we you know, it’s just like just just down here. Just ask for the things down here. But in reality, the universe is like, what do you want, like, just open it up. And then that thing gets to look like however it wants to look. So if Tamara and I are walking on the path, and we see a window open, we can poke her head through, we don’t have to commit to fully go in there. But we can like look in and see if it’s something that we’ve won. And then if we don’t we just keep going. But we we got to see, we got to see what we liked or what we didn’t want or you know, whatever. Um, I think that’s the beauty of like spiritual journey is the beauty of like, where our podcast is headed. To this we know that it’s headed like this is practice for us. Like all of the stuff that we’re doing all the podcasting being on your show, like this is all practice. There was a time when we first started we were so nervous. I’m sure you can relate to that feeling when you first start a podcast you’re like, it’s like a little jittery and now and I did not like being in front of cameras just asked me I like was not okay with it. And now it doesn’t even faze me. You know. So you get used to these things and it’s like Okay, so now we know this Now we get to level up again, what’s the next step? And what’s? So I think that’s the part I’m most excited about is like, I don’t know what I don’t know. So like, as I level up, I get to see the next thing. And then I’m like, okay, like, this is exciting. And then we go through some more growth and it’s painful. Yeah, exactly. You know,

Brandon Handley 40:21
right, right now, like you’re saying, you know, when you first start off, right, it’s kind of scary. And it’s also, we we ask for the things we think we can get right? Like, I’ll take a Honda, pretty sure I can get a fucking Honda. Like, yeah, but you know, then you’re like, but what I really like is a fleet of McLaren. So they can get one like, every different day and different colors and like, and so you know, but we don’t we, we’ve been taught to, you know, kind of, just keep our heads down and, and work hard and flop. Blah, blah, there’s no fun in that. There’s, it’s, it’s hard to it’s hard to imagine yourself being bigger if you’re, you know, always grinding away, right, something along those lines, at any rate, what I like about sorry, that too, is like, you know, you’re sharing your stories with the other friend who’s gotten the hotel bill in the retreat centers. It’s kind of like synchronicity, right. The things that’s what’s the whole the whole idea of like, you know, what you seek is seeking you type of thing. Yeah, totally. So look, man, I get it, right. No expectations, here’s what we want to do. Here’s how we want to feel why we do it. This is how we already feel while we’re doing what we’re doing. We’re gonna keep doing it. We’re doing something over here. Doesn’t feel right. If it doesn’t align, we can’t rise. I’m gonna run with that. Right? And yes. So thanks for sharing that. Let me get to a part here that I like to get to. Unless there was anything else you wanted to tag on to that last part.

Unknown Speaker 42:01
I’m good.

Unknown Speaker 42:03
Actually, I do. I’m just like a little backstory on like Devin and me and our friend has the hotel. So the three of us actually started a book club together, before we even like, really stepped into this like, journey together. And so yeah, we just like had this little vision of like, oh, let’s like start reading some books together. And now we’re literally planning, mindset and spiritual retreats. World

Brandon Handley 42:32
domination, that’s

Unknown Speaker 42:33
pretty cool. I got world money.

Brandon Handley 42:38
I got that. It’s great. And the thing that you’re you’re seeing is that you’re all helping each other to grow. And more than just like a spiritual sense. And I think that’s pretty cool. So this is a little part that I like to get to, in regards to do even just this whole podcast space, right? So somebody tuned into this podcast or to tune into your podcasts or on their spiritual journey. It’s like a spiritual speed dating session, right? So like, I’m gonna tune in for like, one hour or 30 minutes or whatever, is that this podcast, you know, tickles my spiritual fancy, then I’ll keep hanging out. So in that vein, I’ve actually got two bachelor’s, this will be fun. So I’m going to ask a couple of questions related to spirituality. So let’s see here. Doo doo doo doo. These aren’t that great, but we’ll run with them. Bachelot number one, if you’re in a bad mood. Do you prefer to be left alone or have someone cheer you up?

Unknown Speaker 43:42
Here’s bachelor number one.

Brandon Handley 43:43
Take a choice.

Unknown Speaker 43:47
Your Bachelorette number one? Sure.

Unknown Speaker 43:51
I need to be alone. Definitely alone, like doing some meditating doing some deep breathing. Going for a walk. Like Please don’t talk to me. Because I might say something I regret

Brandon Handley 44:07
Fair enough. Bachelot number two.

Unknown Speaker 44:11
Oh, I get the same. Okay. I also, um, I I’m just trying to think here. I think that initially, I definitely need to be left alone, but I do enjoy like a hug after I’ve processed some things. So then I want someone who like rub my back and give me a hug. But first, yeah, like bath. It’s like bath time. It’s like bubble bath,

Brandon Handley 44:37
or something. Yeah, no, if I’m here and leave me the hell alone. Yeah, I’m gonna have to process this. Yeah. Let’s see. This would be the last one here to do to do tu tu tu. I like to always ask, you know, do you use feel like our current religion is serving us or not? It’s rare that won’t go to you.

Unknown Speaker 45:07
Yep, she’s, she’s Bachelorette number one. Like our current religious.

Brandon Handley 45:13
Like, like, you know, it’s Christina. Oh, yeah, like, for example, like Christianity is Christianity is organized religion serving. So we’re not

Unknown Speaker 45:23
this is a good way. This is how I view juicy. This is how I view so I am not religious, I am Christian. And I feel like the difference is in religion, we are not given a choice. Myself, I view myself as like a Christian who has the choice, I get to choose whether I want to have a relationship with God, in our family growing up, we were never forced to go to church, we had the choice, we had the option if we wanted to, we could, we weren’t put in this box of like, these are the rules. And if you do not follow them, like we’re booting you out. And so my experience as a Christian has just been being accepted and loved for exactly who I am. In all of my rough moments, and my falling and my stumbling. And all of those things I’ve just been showed love and grace. And so I am showing that love and grace to other people. And Deb touched on that earlier when we were talking that, and I didn’t know that you felt so strongly that love for me like I had no idea. And so clearly in hearing that from Deb, it is serving a purpose for me.

Brandon Handley 46:48
I love it. I love it. Devin, what about you? You lost a religion? Yeah, found it. You found spirituality. So let’s do it. Let’s talk about what that look like for you.

Unknown Speaker 46:58
So the question is, do I think that religion is what serves

Brandon Handley 47:04
serving, serving, serving, you know, is religion serving like us? Well,

Unknown Speaker 47:12
oh, this is such a hard one. Because I know I know people who are amazing, that are devout to whatever their faith is.

Brandon Handley 47:24
This one’s just yes for me.

Unknown Speaker 47:25
Oh, I don’t know how to do that without like, I just up my brain, the squirrels are running. And I just feel like I need to think about this for like every single person in the world. I myself, No, I do not think that religion is serving us to the highest purpose. I think that I think that how do I want to word this? We’re humans. And we all are like I wrote this the other day in one of my posts that were just like all like balls of childhood trauma, just like walking around in life with these like tainted perceptions that have been delivered to us, religiously, politically, society, cultural, everything. And we carry that and then we think that we’re right, and then so we take whatever scripture is. That speaks to us, or that were a part of whatever religious sect that we’re a part of, or whatever. And we will sometimes use that to condone behavior or to totally alienate and discriminate behavior as well. And I you can call me maybe like a naive spiritualist. But I have used this so many times in different discussions when we have discussed things that were like push button topics like hot button topics. And I’m like, Can we all just get along? I’m like, if we were just balls of energy floating around in space or heaven, we would not be seeing all the things that we see here on this earth, we wouldn’t see those things. We would just see light, and we would see energy. And it wouldn’t be what we are framing everything to be around down here on Earth. Everything is framed around these different things. And we think that we’re right. And I think when you think that you’re right, and you don’t leave any open doors to listen to other people. I think that’s that is I don’t I don’t agree with it. I don’t I don’t like it. It doesn’t make me feel good. And I have been in that space before

Brandon Handley 49:57
you so you’re saying religion is a bunch of clothes. Doors. I mean, that’s what I’m hearing. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 50:04
I a bunch of closed doors. It can be, I think that it very much can be because people get very stuck. They’re like, this is what it says. And I’m like, Yeah, but then you talk to someone else. Yes. Okay. And so like that has to do with us just being these balls of childhood trauma of loose like things happening. And we created these perceptions. And that’s why we read it that way. Right? It doesn’t make it true. It’s just your truth.

Brandon Handley 50:33
For sure. For sure. Not it’s a course earlier this year. And terminologies was it’s a truth, not the truth. Right. So the truth, of course, that Well, ladies, thank you so much. This has been a blast. I appreciate having you on today. Where can people go and find a little bit more, Tamara and Devin on the line and rise podcast?

Unknown Speaker 51:03
Tomorrow, no, she can throw out?

Unknown Speaker 51:08
Well, I’m waiting for you. So

Unknown Speaker 51:12
I know, we kind of have everything grouped together on our Instagram page, which is a line underscore and underscore rise. And we have our podcast stuff linked there, so you can listen to us. And this is a really good reminder to me, I need to link our tic tock there because we just started some fun little tic TOCs. And our little highlight is like can we have three minutes of your time. And we just have three minute little videos on random topics that we’re feeling that we just like, pour into and that is kind of like our thing. So that’s where you can find this.

Brandon Handley 51:51
Awesome. Awesome. Thanks for having us. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 51:56
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Jenna is an intuitive healer, facilitator, teacher, artist, mother and musician.

She has joyfully led retreats, teen mentorship workshops, private healing sessions, lessons, camps, choirs, conferences, and classes for over 20 years.

She loves sharing my joy of love, art, music and meditation by teaching how to build tools toward re-alignment, healing and cultivating creativity.

Connect with Jenna at https://www.acousticvitality.org/jennadalton .

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited as Bob process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you is the world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don’t claim to have all the answers but we sure do love living. The question from time for another head of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual Dude, I am haunted today with Jenna Walton. She is an intuitive healer, facilitator, teacher, artists, mother and musician. She’s joyfully led retreats team mentorship workshops, private Healing Sessions, less than camps, choirs, conferences and classes for over 20 years. She loves to share her joy of love art, music and meditation by teaching how to build tools towards realignment, healing and cultivating creativity. Jenna thanks for being on. Thanks for having

Jenna Dalton 1:11
me.

Brandon Handley 1:12
Absolutely, I mean I think we’ve been trying to put this together for like six months give or take Yeah, finally I’ve been looking forward to connect and just having this conversation. So thanks looking forward to it so I was like to start this off with the whole idea that we’re kind of vessels for source energy, right whatever that looks like to you and that you and I’ll be having a conversation but whoever’s listening they’re like they’re hearing something completely different right? They’re not even hearing what we’re saying like and this message can only be delivered through Jenna by source on this podcast to that person right now. What’s that message?

Jenna Dalton 1:54
What is that message? Hmm? Love reigns. I mean that’s that’s kind of where I’m where I’m at right now is I just keep coming back to that to how can I cultivate more open heart How can I get deeper into love? I feel like that is my direct connection to the universe Great Spirit whatever you want to call it that that’s that’s my direct connection. So yeah, and then just all the fun ways to practice that all the fun ways to play with that. Well, while we’re human beings here on this planet

Brandon Handley 2:33
every time I go to like any energy work session throws like your heart is really close off I’m like I know right? Thanks this isn’t news but it sounds to me like your heart might be a little bit more open

Jenna Dalton 2:50
because every time I get when they’re like wow you need to close that up a little bit you’re

Brandon Handley 2:55
you’re taking it off for everybody like I saw that guy down the street his heart was like shut down and I’m just gonna step in and fill that guy’s you know fill that need so um, and you know, a little bit more to on you for the audience right I love the story you’re just talking to a quick second before we got going here was that the whole idea of like, being born on a 355 acre spiritual community right for your first 14 years of life really into music and then like, packing up a u haul and going to the burbs I mean, I don’t know if you specifically went to the burbs, but I mean, I can only imagine, right. Right. And like I’m envisioning and you can tell me if I’m right or wrong. I don’t I’m just making things up as I go along. But I remember going to a couple like rainbow family gatherings back in the day was anything like that? Or was it like somewhat different? Are you familiar with the rainbow family gatherings?

Jenna Dalton 3:48
Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a little bit like that, except that we had a farm that we had to run and it was somewhat self sustaining. So we had a lot of work to do. There were ditches to dig and cows to take care of and harvesting and planting and gardening and you know, there’s endless work to be done. So, so that I would say that’s the biggest difference than like, you know, when I would tell people Oh, I lived I grew up in a commune. everyone’s eyes kind of glaze over like, like sexual.

Brandon Handley 4:19
I mean, that’s the first

Saturdays

Jenna Dalton 4:28
I mean, that’s that definitely happened. Yes. But more so at least where I was, it was it really was a group of people who were trying to separate from like patriarchal society, capitalistic society and try something else. And so it was a group of really cool people coming together, spiritually striving, and then trying to figure out how to get along together while we’re collecting eggs and cooking you know, we had to cook meals for everybody. We had to feed everyone we had and where I was, there was no city within 80 miles in any direction. So we were in the middle of nowhere. So we really had to, you know, toilet broke, we had to fix it. There was a flood, we had to deal with it, you know, the pipes froze. We had to deal with it. And so there was a lot of hard work to that was cool. It’s cool.

Brandon Handley 5:21
You have running water? Yeah, I mean, I remember so I remember growing up. And my mom had some brands that I would go stay the summer with. And like, we had the pump the water, there was no indoor plumbing and what not so I mean, you’re kind of living the life of luxury. Yeah, really? It’s pretty cool. Okay. And then and then, um, and then you can you talk to me, like, the spiritual, what the spiritual community looked like, I guess, from then perspective, right, as a child to kind of like, your lens back on it. What are your thoughts?

Jenna Dalton 6:03
So growing up, it really was just kind of like a playground? I don’t remember there. There definitely was we had a meditation class for kids where they would actually bribe us with little chewable vitamin C’s if we sat still for long enough, which I thought now looking back, I find that so funny. So there was there was it was like a playground for me, when I was growing up looking back, I can see Wow, I really embodied a lot of I just kind of like got spiritual teachings in my DNA by being there, which, which I’m very thankful for. And I feel like that’s a that’s the gift I like to pay forward into the world is that it’s not it’s never been like a struggle for me to have like a spiritual connection. Or I’ve never wondered if there’s a God, I’ve never had that. Like, it’s just always been there. And so that I feel, I know that I was just the gift that I got from that place. Growing up. I never talked about meditating, or we just did it. We just did yoga, we just did meditation. And it was just part just like we cooked meals or we went to the bathroom. It was just another thing that we did. So it was kind of demystified for me in that way. And it was actually weirder when we came up here and I saw that not everybody did that. That was that was what was weird was when I was 14 looking around going Oh, okay, I am really different. But I didn’t really realize it until then.

Brandon Handley 7:32
Yeah, I mean, talk about that, right? Trying to go from this self sustaining spiritual commune, where you know, there’s a little bit more togetherness, a little bit more of us as a whole. And then coming into I’m sure like, there was plenty of like materialism to of sorts within that commune. But like, and then kind of seeing on mass with like hyper commercialism and all this other stuff. Prager you wasn’t like sensory overload. And then like me having to go to school, I might have been mad.

Jenna Dalton 8:13
I was very angry. And angry You came up here. I mean, ironically, we came up here because there was no High School out there. And the closest High School was 80 miles away. And my brother, my older brother, like, took the bus there everyday left at 5am. And I just did not want to do that. I didn’t want to be homeschooled. I think my parents were wise enough to recognize that I needed music and theater in my life. So in that way, I was very thankful that we came up here because I, the cultural piece was very lacking out in the middle of nowhere in Nevada. So that piece was really wonderful for me, but yeah, it was, I think the biggest shock was that, even though like you said these things existed, maybe like humming underneath the surface, it was my first experience with like, sexism, racism, homophobia, just flat out hating somebody for no reason. But that kind of disconnection. I did not experience that in the first 14 years of my life I just didn’t experience that. Even in the ranch kids that I was friends with. We they would just that just wasn’t there. And so that I think was what was most shocking for me. And I think that’s where my anger came from, was that it was like suddenly I realized wow, this world is not the utopian amazing place that I thought it was because that’s what my life has been for. For the first 14 years.

Brandon Handley 9:40
Yeah, for sure. So me I gotta imagine a lot of that was romanticized. Right and just kind of came tumbling down. Right. And I also think that too, you know, you’re out here you’re 80 miles away from any city and you don’t have the air And I don’t know to be honest with you, I mean, you know, what’s the electricity situation like out there for you know you have running water so I don’t know like, you know what’s like the Wi Fi TV situation like but like, right so I mean, I gotta imagine, right there’s like no electromagnetic brain interference right? Right maybe that’s why all the teams are mad. Like maybe he’s mad because like there’s a lot you’re like you’re just kind of like energy passing through you and it’s everybody else’s shit.

Jenna Dalton 10:29
Right? Right and it’s getting more intense because we have more and more data.

Brandon Handley 10:35
Yeah. gotta turn it up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Interesting. Interesting for sure.

Jenna Dalton 10:42
I didn’t go you know I went to school there are only 30 people in the entire school grades one through eight granted, but not a single person had ADHD, or autism or nobody. And, you know, as a teacher now I’m like, I wonder how much of it was the fact that they were out? shoveling shit and working with cows instead of playing video games and watching shows you know that that I wonder how much of a difference that makes? Sure well,

Brandon Handley 11:11
I mean, you know, I’ve got a I’ve got a nine and 11 year old boy, right? And I too, was once a wee lad, that they’re like, you need to sit still. I’m like, Well, I don’t really think right that we as humans were meant to sit still behind a desk at a young age for like six to eight hours a day. Yeah. And then and then and then the whole idea to have like, oh, and like you’re not gonna let them you’re gonna take away recess you’re gonna take away this and now like, you’re not gonna live and burn off all that energy. Right? Who came up with this plan? Yeah.

Jenna Dalton 11:48
As a Waldorf teacher I started every day with jumping rope for half an hour. We just did we just moved partially because of that because I didn’t feel like I could ask anybody to sit down in a chair when they’re young and exuberant and what they want to do is move and so we would Okay, we’re gonna do math with jump roping. We’re gonna do spelling with jump roping and then we’ll go in and sit down let’s exhaust you

Brandon Handley 12:10
brilliant I mean we’re jumping so we’ll do that jump rope to do yeah. So when you talk about spirituality like kind of always being a part of life and always being feeling can see what I mean. Quick, easy answers like what’s what’s spirituality mean to you? Right? What’s that look like for you internally? And how are you expressing that?

Jenna Dalton 12:29
Um, I think that it’s kind of it’s a hard question to answer but for me it’s just such a feeling of home it’s just such a feeling of I’m here I’m comfortable in my skin I’m in a I feel in alignment. Like I feel like I’m in alignment with I don’t know what is that with just the flow or just with like, my life is flowing and I’m flowing with it and there’s maybe something bigger and I’m a part of it and just that connection and the play between those two things I don’t know how else to to describe

Brandon Handley 13:05
that that works right? So I mean, right? And I think that’s where the challenge comes for most people you know, someone’s like, well this is what spiritual to me. It means right? And somebody else is like, No, no, no, no, no, you’re wrong, right? Like, you can’t be wrong that’s that’s that’s your inner inner inner presence and if you’re in alignment and if I read your story, I would say that you are like you’ve had such a really cool cool life and I and you have found the places at least you know from reading your bio that you can able to express who you are in alignment with who you are for life that is pretty good, right? Yeah. So I mean let’s move forward right from so you got a you got a high school, you’re big into music, you know, what does that look like for you kind of going through the high school thing coming out of coming out of the commune and moving us forward?

Jenna Dalton 14:03
Well, you know, initially it was there was a mixed thing there was there was the part of me that was 14 and just ready because when you’re 14, your world is expanding, right? And so my world expanded and I loved that piece. I was really excited to live in an apartment complex. The idea of that was like so amazing. They’re just little things like that. We have a swimming pool, you know, stuff. And then I discovered choir and theater and just like completely dove into that and discovered the artist in me that was really thirsty. That was something that didn’t get a whole lot of playtime out on the farm. And so that was amazing. And and then there was a lot of, you know, I also just really loved like the counterculture. I of course was very attracted to the counterculture kids and, and enjoyed adventuring in that way. So School was just a big, it was a big adventure, I got in a lot of trouble. And you know, just really, really, I really pushed it a lot. But one of the things that I had in my life was this, this nest of like 30 adults who had known me since birth. And were holding space for me even though I was you know, even though it wasn’t physically on the farm anymore, they still knew and loved me. And I had and I reached out to them a lot with, you know, because I was pushing my parents away, which is what’s normal to do when you’re 14 to 18 years old. But I still had all these adults that I could gain that I could gain insight from and my dad connected me with a woman here Jane sad to see her she’s amazing yoga teacher, oh, my God, that saved my life in high school. Just deepening my yoga practice. And so finding those connections was really, really awesome appear to so that so it wasn’t, my adolescence wasn’t as hard as it might have been. I you know, in some ways, it was a lot easier because I did have this, like I said, I had this support network, I had this village, that was kind of at that point, because the farm had kind of dwindled a bit, everybody was all over the country. So there was kind of a network of support there. That, that it definitely felt, I definitely felt that and thank goodness for that. I think it probably saved my saved my butt several times.

Brandon Handley 16:32
Now, you know, jotted down takes a village, right? You literally had a village supporting you. And to have gotten in trouble a lot after again, after coming from this culture of where you were to this other thing I can only imagine like, What do you mean, that’s the rule? That doesn’t make any sense?

I thought this was the smoking corner. Right? I can’t, I can only imagine some of the conversations too. And just trying to try to wrap your mind around it. Right. Coming from, again, probably something that was a little bit more free, in terms of at least your ability to express yourself as you were in, in a in you know, sounds like the supportive people. Right? Yeah. And then and then go on also from a school of 30 in total, to probably like, I don’t know, 30 per class, give or take, I mean, yeah. And then a quick question, too. So like, what were your parents done? Like, did they so they they came from the farm, and now they’re doing what at the apartment, like working?

Jenna Dalton 17:46
My mom became she’s, she’s always been a teacher. So she taught there and she taught here. So it was more for her, it was probably less of a shock because it was just more kids to teach. My dad, however, was pretty much for lack of a better word, the guru of this spiritual community. He was the one that led classes led meditations, and he got a job at Nike. So he really had he had quite a hard time you know, that that also might have been part of the me acting out is that my parents were not super there because they were in survival mode. They weren’t just like, after 16 years for them of living on a farm they were suddenly in the city and trying to survive how do we pay rent? What do we do? You know, all of the What do you mean we have to have insurance for that? What do you mean we have to pay for Jenna to do this in school? And you know, all of that stuff? So they I’m sure. I you know, my mom the other day even was describing it, how she we’ve made it through this day. We made it through today. Okay. You know, like, that’s kind of where they were at. It was a big, it was a big jump for them.

Brandon Handley 18:57
Yeah, especially, I mean, going from guru to, I don’t know, analytics, or whatever it was. Right? Just being like, I’d be mad. I’m mad now. Yeah. So then, you know, you kind of make it through. And you you kind of you start doing some adventuring? Right, let’s talk about some of the adventures because I think you got some adventuring stories that Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it sounds like you just kind of flowed from like one spot to another doing your thing. I’m sure there was like some sure there was some stress involved in there somewhere. But for the most part, you’re just kind of going with it. So what what do you travel next?

Jenna Dalton 19:44
You know, the way I looked at it is that so you’re 18 it’s like you want to you want to initiate yourself. We don’t have a village that initiate us anymore. And so I self initiated by doing all sorts of things. One of the big things I did was get into Tom Brown’s tracker war. And I actually dropped out of college and lived in the woods for about three months with one other person. We killed a deer and use the tide we like we did the whole thing we were like living off the woods, we made moccasins out of the deer hide that we, you know, like it was, we ate squirrels, we really did. And so that was amazing. That was an adventure. And then I came back and found a really cool college to go to that that resonated with me. And that’s when I started when I was out in the woods, we went on a week and, and, and teach children how to be in the woods. And that was the seed for me wanting to teach. So yeah, and that was kind of the beginning of that when I was when I was 18. And then that seed just continued to grow and grow as my adventures unfolded. And I, I felt like I was getting an opportunity to touch on a lot of different spirituality, Native American spirituality came in really strong. In Wisconsin, I had white, there was a shaman there. And there was another Lakota woman who taught us a lot of things. And so I felt like this is where I feel like the universe is in touch with me because I was in the flow of the universe. And then suddenly, just all these teachers came out of the woodwork all over the country, literally, I was traveling on Greyhound all over the country. And an African man would start talking to me on the bus and blow my mind spiritually. And then I’d get off the bus. And then there’s this Lakota woman who’s ready to teach me Native American arts and crafts. I mean, it just really I get goosebumps now just thinking about it. Because I really was like, the universe was just saying yes to initiating me into the world of, of look at how much spirit there is, look at all the different walks of spirituality there are and how they all go to great mountain or great spirit or when light men or whatever you want to talk about. So it was quite, it was quite an adventure full time.

Brandon Handley 21:59
Would you say that you were aware of it being an initiation at the time and feeling that way at the time? Or is this a reflection?

Jenna Dalton 22:06
No, it was just adventure at the time. I go, Oh,

Brandon Handley 22:10
I see what was happening. Right. Okay, now that’s got me, that’s cool. It’s good to know, right? Because again, as we’re going through it, and we’re young, and we’re just adventuring. We don’t kind of really catch all the things that are happening, right? And as we look back, we’re like, Well, that was really cool. I can’t believe uh, for me, I’m like, I can’t believe I didn’t die. On a list of bad ideas, a whole bunch of them. And wow, you know, something somewhere was looking out for me, right? A lot of times, but so I wanted to hit on the school that you found for yourself that you’re able to just kind of have kind of this alternative education, you want to share your school a little bit, right. And I wouldn’t even know to look for it.

Jenna Dalton 23:00
Yeah, so this is Prescott college. It’s an Arizona, I literally felt this, I found this college because I was with a friend who was looking up conservatories, or something and this book fell off the, into my hands and literally fell off into my hands when she was looking at other things. And it said, How to make a difference in the world college guide. And I was like, Oh, my God, they have this, you know, it was like kind of, it was one of those things. And it was in there. And this place was amazing. Because they let you write your own degree plan. You write a contract for what you want to learn for every class and you hand that into your teacher. So you’re saying, This is what I want to get out of your class, and then your teacher looks at it and goes pretty good or no, I’m going to actually be teaching this. How do you feel about that? So you’re entering into a contract, and a conscious contract every time with your teacher, every class had 12 students or less, every class had an experiential option. So if you’re learning how to teach, you spend over half that time in the classroom teaching, so I had like four years of teaching more than an average bachelor’s degree in education would have because of the way they did it at the school. There were I mean, I took African inspired gem and dance or all these different courses that were offered. I took a course called environmental perspectives and whitewater rafting. That was my because I have this fear of water. I was like I’m facing my fear of water. I am going to go whitewater rafting for 30 straight days. And it was awesome. By the end of it. I was captaining rapids so it was like, Yeah, okay, we’re gonna do this. And so it just there wasn’t a second of that of my education that I regret. There’s so many people look back and they’re like, What a waste of time college was. And I did not feel that way. I felt like I joyfully pay off my student loans because it’s because it was every second that I was there. was unfolding. There was a, there was a spiritual element, an emotional element, a mental element, an academic element to every course. And it was a life changer. It was an absolute life changer. I can’t say enough about that place.

Brandon Handley 25:16
That’s I mean, it sounds awesome. Yeah, sounds awesome that you were able to find something like that, again. follow your bliss, for lack of better terminology, right? Just kind of follow your path and keep on stepping into something and things kept showing up for you. Yeah, that you were able to do that, right? I mean, being able to skills and spiritual living double minor music, right? Like, I mean, just, it’s all of who you already were. It’s like, oh, here’s a place where I can continue that versus like, Alright, well, I guess, business admin, II, or, you know, this other thing that I’ll never use. But these are all things that helped you to the integral and you’re becoming?

Jenna Dalton 26:00
Absolutely. And that’s where I discovered Waldorf education was at that I was studying alternative methods. And that was one of some older was the one method that openly talks about the spirit of a child, the Solomon child, and how you educate that.

Brandon Handley 26:14
Let’s expand on that, right? I know that I mentioned for a moment that, you know, that’s something that we looked at ourselves for our kids, because the last year we had an out of school, which to me was like, that’s, that was awesome. Thanks, pandemic, and we’re setting them back. And look, the school systems have changed since I’ve been there, they’re a little bit better. But at the same time, it’s like, to your point, I don’t know that they explore the spiritual aspect of that.

Jenna Dalton 26:42
Now, well, they’re not allowed, you’re actually not allowed to even talk about that openly, you get in trouble if you openly talk about that in, in public schools, that separation of church and state. So that means you can’t even talk about the spiritual aspect of a child, you get in trouble. So I

Brandon Handley 27:00
mean, what’s it look like at a Waldorf school, then in one word, education, at another

Jenna Dalton 27:05
school, you’re required to meditate, if you’re a teacher, it’s part of your it’s part of your what would you call it, your job description is that you hold the children in meditation, and you hold them in sacred space every day. That’s part of the job description. And that’s huge to me. That’s why I chose that route. You know, it has its shadow side, because it’s a private school. And so it only serves people who can afford the tuition. And that ended up becoming too much of a problem for me for my self. As far as like being in the, in the whole institution of it was hard for me, because I really wanted, I just, I’m always looking for ways to make whatever I’m offering available to anyone who wants it, regardless of especially regardless of their economic status. So that’s the shadow side. But the wonderful side of Waldorf is that they teach through the arts. And in my opinion, the direct pathway to to the divine is through the arts, it’s so easy to access. That feeling that I was talking about that feeling of flow and connection and contentment with just what is when one is doing art. And so it’s integrated all day, every day, you’re doing it all day, every day in the curriculum, and I loved teaching that way I felt, I felt really, I also feel like it was one of the few places that really understood children and how a day should be morphed for them. So as you were saying, sit down, be quiet, have a pencil in your hand at the desk, there’s very little time that they spend in their desk at another school if if the Walder school is doing it, right, in my opinion, so there’s, in fact a lot of places even have mobile classrooms and the first and third grades where they literally don’t have desks, they have these benches that they turn upside down. And they act as you know, balance beams for most of the day. And then when you need to write you have a flat service but other than that, you know, it’s it’s pretty, it’s a pretty awesome program of really honoring the child what I’ve noticed is that now that my own children are 16 they are looking back going God you you like protected us so much and they’re mad at me about that now as teenagers so with that, check them out. I’m just keeping them keep maintaining their childhood so that so the Waldorf education is a lot about like, trying to keep the media out of out of a young child life trying to keep a TV out of the living room trying to make baking and, and rhythm of the day a big priority in the end. And so it’s really beautiful. To a teenager, it’s stifling, and horrible, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:51
oh, no, no, no, I get I get it now. And you know, absolutely. I mean, so I grew up and so Some backwards places in Virginia that I was very very remote and not being able to I don’t know go hang out with all the kids and all the places or even have like a TV at some point it was I was like what the hell is this right this is this is bullshit and and and of course now looking back I’m like wow how lucky was I that was absolutely gorgeous and man who what why don’t want to give to like go back there right and have some more of that and and yeah don’t you know you don’t appreciate as a kid right? One of the things Who am I gonna play with

Jenna Dalton 30:40
greener The grass is always greener yeah

Brandon Handley 30:43
of course yeah i mean you know you’re kind of on your journey then like even like take off like you get go out singing around the world, like you know. And you keep you keep going all this stuff. I mean, we probably talk a lot in this area. But one of the things I wanted to draw attention to was the fact that how you and I connected was through this lantern healing. We connected with Liliana. How do I say her last name? I don’t know. Zola? Yeah, so we connected we connected through her through I think somebody that worked with her before. And so here we are, but I wanted you what, what kind of work are you doing with Lotus lantern? You know, what brought you to the podcast today. Outside of this? You know, this has been a fun conversation, of course. And, you know, what’s up? What are you doing?

Jenna Dalton 31:33
Well, for now, I’m doing a lot, the most, most of what we do at Lotus lantern is energy reading. So you can come here, have us look at your energy system, and look at what’s blocked and clearing. So that’s that’s the magic of what we do in a very, very tight nutshell. And then what I also love about Lotus mentors, we have all these offerings, these workshops, so we have writers retreats, we have a Defense Against the Dark Arts class that’s really fun Harry Potter inspired. I do a team group that’s kind of like what I was talking about. I want to be that human in somebody’s life who can hold space. And so we have a teen group that teens can come and do. Just kind of learn these skills. Liliana has this amazing abcdefg program that really is kind of foolproof and not woowoo which I love having grown up in as woowoo you know it’s just really nice to have she really starts with the foundation of grounding, tapping into the earth aligning your energy and having that be the foundation for your spirituality instead of going for that enlightenment or going for that goal of oh she’s like it’s right here all the juicy and you know all the juiciness of life is right here and we’re working with it and so those are the some of the things that we offer and it’s it’s really really fun working for her she is she is dynamic she’s this amazing Latina woman that’s just like really vibrant and she brings a humor and a joy to spiritual practice that that I absolutely love and adore that. Yeah, I did it for a while I was like in a Buddhist community or a yoga community and it’s so serious and for me I just can’t I can’t do it I’m too much of a goofball and she is a goofball. And so together we create ridiculous workshops where basically we’re like laughing the whole weekend and then we realize oh my gosh, I feel really connected and awesome afterwards so

Brandon Handley 33:40
that was a you know, that was one of the things that when I first saw some of her work she was doing I think the the in the car medium readings or whatever I was like this is so great, right? This is just just like it’s fun it’s entertaining she’s doing her thing and it’s really legit at the same time and like this This man is just like it’s fun. Right and I don’t know if you checked out spiritual like the website or if you checked it out she’s like, saying like I’m so over like this is the spiritual thing and it’s super serious and like heavy saturated and like be like sometimes I like the curse I like swear like to do all sides sometimes there’s some things I like to do that they may not even be spiritual at all right? Or like they may not even like relate to what I’m doing but like I don’t care like that’s not that’s not the point of it. The point of it, I would say is like to find that connection to yourself like you were talking about where is that place that you can connect with within yourself that you call home? Yeah, right. Where is the place that you can go to with somebody like bully II and yourself. You can have fun and feel connected, right? Not like where you’re like, we can’t talk right now because I’m connecting to God.

Jenna Dalton 34:56
Right?

Brandon Handley 34:57
This is not a good time for me.

Jenna Dalton 35:00
One of my favorite things about the first class, I pick up the leather shoes like I love troublemakers, that I was just like,

Brandon Handley 35:06
that’s me, I totally.

Jenna Dalton 35:09
And that’s what I love about Lotus lantern healing arts is it’s all about whatever’s coming up for you, that’s what’s supposed to come up, whether so let’s say you’re going totally unconscious, you’re even listening to what I’m saying. Awesome. You know, and that’s, and that’s how I’ve always taught when I teach. That’s how I just love. I love working with what’s right here. And so that’s really, that’s great. Liliana is so inclusive, she is so inclusive, like whatever is coming in, she just greets it with, yes, that’s awesome, we’re gonna work with that, that’s great. And to me, that’s true spirituality, if you’re, if you’re saying I can only meditate when it’s dark, and quiet and soft. But it is easier sometimes to meditate like that. But if that’s the only time you can touch God, you’re gonna be in trouble. Because we live in a loud, crazy world. And if you can touch God, while you’re in the loud, crazy world, you’re gonna be better off,

Brandon Handley 36:08
what are some ways that you found that you’re able to do that,

Jenna Dalton 36:13
um, I think one of the biggest ways so she has all the, we have all these wonderful little tricks. So grounding room, I’m going, I’m walking into a room, and it’s crazy, it’s a party and as an empath, I could walk into that room. And then like you said, I’m gonna have to fill in everybody’s heart spaces that have holes. And that’s really bad and dangerous and yucky for me to do energetically, right? So I just go into a room and I grabbed the corners of the room, and I ground it down into the earth, and I just set that intention. And so now I can be in the room. And maybe I’ll just like reground, myself, I just set that intention before I go into the space. And now I can go in and have a party and be with people and I’ve protected myself and I’m mingling and going through and having fun and sharing my joy with people. And in that moment, I’m feeling my feet on the ground, I feel aligned, I can feel spirit running through me. And I’m aware of all of that. And I can use that to just totally be present in a conversation and give the gift of my presence. And those are the skills that I’ve learned through Lotus mentoring. So that that’s kind of what we teach is how to how to be a person and how to survive those moments. When you’re like, overwhelmed. Okay, I have this toolbox that I can go to. So those are some of the tools. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:35
yeah, no, that’s great. So I mean, I guess when you’re grounding yourself, is it almost like a lightning rod? For you, were you letting the energy kind of pass through you versus kind of holding on to it is that sounds working for you? Yeah. And I feel it like

Jenna Dalton 37:51
going through like I like to, I like to imagine it coming out from the earth. Going up to the front of me, I like to imagine something coming down from and going down the back of me, and then just keeping that going, like, that’s what feels good to me. And again, I think for other people that maybe you have something else that works for you, but that’s the one that works for me, because I am a goer and a doer. And I like I like it to be moving. more towards

Brandon Handley 38:18
you got like a vortex kind of running. Okay. So I love that you’re sharing what you’re doing through Lotus, and through Lilya. But I’m sure that you brought some things of your own with you, what are some of the things that you’re owning that you do like that you brought to this? Like, I’m because my guess is she doesn’t just take anybody on and be like, Oh, you can just train with me? Maybe she does. But I’m sure that there was something that you brought, which is like, I need to have you with me, what are some of those things?

Jenna Dalton 38:49
I mean, I think you’d have to ask her, but my guess is that, that there is a connection that I have with children and a connection that I have with teenagers. That is very special. A knowledge that I have of where children are at spiritually and that’s that’s pretty rare in this day and age to have like a there’s a lot of people that have like pedagogical understanding of children, but to have an understanding of where somebody at spiritually developmentally is a that’s kind of my specialty. So that’s something that and then the other thing she says I love is and this was also this is just the artist in me and also the Waldorf training is that I tell stories, I tell stories all the time. So when we’re doing a workshop, I’ll be like, that’s just like grandmother spider who blah blah and then all of a sudden we’re all in a kindergarten class listening to storytime. And so that’s also something that I like to bring. It’s the musician and me the artist in me that like likes to spice anything up with with a picture with an image with an imagination and kind of making life more exciting. That way, I’m not really big on lectures, you know?

Brandon Handley 40:05
I mean, it’s, uh, you know, I’m a great storyteller by any stretch of the imagination, but I understand how it’s supposed to work. And the deal is you, you don’t tell him, you show him, right. And so because storytellers creates that visual and shows shows the story. Teen Spirit, right Sounds Like Teen Spirit 100 Alex, what’s that look like for you and being able to kind of suss that out. And being able to tell where where the teams are in their journey, or

Jenna Dalton 40:41
my work with the teams has been magical. I feel like they’re teaching me way more than I’m teaching them. Basically, what I’m doing is like holding space and being sometimes the only adult in their life is not telling them what they have to do. So that’s my gift that I give them is like, here’s a big open space, you’re allowed to swear you’re allowed to tell me how depressed you are, you’re allowed to be anxious, you’re allowed to tell me how much you hate your friends. Like anything goes here. So that’s my and then if they’re giving to me is holy cow. It’s really hard to be a teen in the world today. And I am like, I feel like every day I’m meditating and asking for more advice from my guides and my, my inner wisdom of how to help with that, because it’s, it is a very intense world to be a teen, if you imagine your own adolescence, and then amplify it by having your social network be there 24 hours a day, seven days a week on several platforms.

Brandon Handley 41:43
Yeah. First of all, I’ve never get anywhere after that, right? It’s like, I mean, I don’t know about you, but and my wife and I was talking about the fact that like, if we’d had that shit growing up, like dunzo, right, like, I mean, I can only imagine the stupid stuff that would have posted too late, you know, it’d be just like, any, any anybody else that does it on like, spring break, right? You know, you’re like, Oh, right. So, so glad that I didn’t have that. Yeah, yeah.

Jenna Dalton 42:15
So that’s what I’ve been. And, and again, I feel like Like for instance, his last group that this last girl’s group, the teen empowerment group that they did, what they just kept asking about was how do I deal with toxic relationships? How do I deal with toxic relationships? How do I deal with toxic relationships? So we just really started digging into like, what is that and you know, I teaching them how to be strong enough in themselves that whatever comes at them, they can just go Wash, wash or wash? You know that that’s what I’m teaching them. And then they’re bringing to me like okay, this time it didn’t work. So what do I do then? And so then we talk about it in the circle, okay, what would you do? What would you have done?

Brandon Handley 42:57
Just kind of explore the scenarios with them and just, I guess, you know, again, sounds like you’re you’re giving them support and encouragement and the empowerment and Wonder Woman Yeah.

Jenna Dalton 43:11
Yeah, we play a lot of games too, which lightens it up so that it’s not oh my god my whole life’s over because that one friend doesn’t like me anymore. Okay, well, let’s let’s make that into a game and let’s face let’s play around with it, that person’s going to roleplay your friend and now you have the power to make her say whatever you want. And then they you know, so there’s only things that we do that we play around with that kind of helps lighten the mood to because that’s and that’s the gift that I learned from Liliana too is just that you can have a darkest craziest stuff coming at you but if you breed it with a big smile, it’s got no power it’s got no power

Brandon Handley 43:50
so that’s great. That’s great. So if you know somebody checking in and checking checking in today right let’s do this first we’ll do I was liking this to spiritual speed dating somebody checking in on the podcast today. They’re looking for the next spiritual speed date, right? Jenna could be you. Bachelorette number one. Let’s have spiritual questions. What are we thinking today? What are we thinking today? Oh, you know what? RDS at one? Two? What’s the key? Nope, don’t like that one. What would you consider to be two major turning points here let’s go with the

Jenna Dalton 44:32
E major turning points in my life. First one was moving from the desert to the city major turning. Another major turning point was becoming a mother. That one knocked me on my ass the way in a way I could not even imagine I fell. So in love. I fell so in love. I my whole definition of love changed the second my

Brandon Handley 44:59
absolutely Right. I mean, that’s a game changer. game changer. I think that, you know, you’ve already learned you know, love, you know, love, you know, love. And then you know, you get in your relationship, you know, love, then the kids show up you’re like, Oh, this is a whole soft, soft mouse. Right? There’s a what you thought it was love was like a puddle. Right now you’re now you’re in a vast ocean? of it? For sure, for sure.

was asking myself this earlier today? I don’t know that I’m still seeking. Or that I found these Gee, would you consider yourself a seeker? Or do you think you found what it was that you’re looking for? And you’re just continuing to explore that space? Where are you out of that?

Jenna Dalton 45:52
Yeah, I do. I think I’ve found and I think what my journey is right now is to is to have a daily practice of touching into that found place. But that’s my work right now. It’s like, I have all the all the tools that I need for being happy. And now I have to use them. That’s, that’s where I’m at right now. And in the journey. Yeah, that’s it.

Brandon Handley 46:21
That’s awesome. What do you think, is one or two of your most recently found tools,

Jenna Dalton 46:29
sitting at the base of a tree. That one’s been really big, I used to do it a lot when I was little, like, I would just do it. And maybe it’s just from living in the city and being kind of confined to our house during COVID times. But I found I need sometimes to just get out and actually be touching, physically touching a tree. I don’t know what it is about that. But I just need that reminder of something that’s got its roots way down deep, deep in the earth. So that’s, that’s been one. And I guess the other one is just I don’t know how this has happened. I feel like it’s an it’s an after effect of a lot of spiritual work. But I just don’t take things very seriously anymore. And so when stuff starts coming at me, it’s just kind of like wonderful growth opportunity, as opposed to Oh, my God, I’m gonna die and my life’s over, you know, so. Right. And I again, I don’t know exactly how I’ve cultivated that other than it just seems like the only options.

Brandon Handley 47:36
For sure, for sure. Right? Like, I mean, alright, well, here we go again. Yeah, at least I don’t have to wait in line for this ride. Awesome. So this I mean, bend, bend, blast, I think that you’ve got a lot to share, who, you know, in marketing world, right? And you know, you’re always posted a fire niche, or Who’s your ideal customer who you really trying to reach out to Who do you feel like you would serve best? At this point,

Jenna Dalton 48:03
I think the person that I would serve best is a pert the person who really wants to take the next steps to connecting to a to a spiritual practice, or a spiritual world. That person that’s experiencing stuff and feels like they’re going crazy. I’m that person who can say actually, you’re not crazy. It’s just let’s just look at things a little differently. And then you’ll see that you’re actually really powerful. So I really love I mean, I love working with all people anything you give me a love, but I really love it when people are just taking that first step or a new step into something into the next level. Or maybe it’s their first step ever into like, I think I’m gonna start a meditation practice or something. I love that I love working with that person who’s who’s ready and willing, like I had an experience. I know there’s something out there. I want to dig a little deeper. Can you tell me more? And I bet Yes, they yes for me.

Brandon Handley 49:04
So you’re setting them up, right? That’s perfect. You’re setting them up. So they don’t crash and burn. There’s at least like a little bit of a it’s almost like you’re setting up the big fluffy bed cows where they just dive into it. Right? All right. Awesome. So I know you’ve you’ve got the lowest you’re at the lotus lantern site, where should people go specifically to connect with you?

Jenna Dalton 49:27
I have a website that’s acoustic vitality.org. So that’s where you can get direct contact with me. And yeah, that’s it. You’ll see I’ve got my music on there, my art and then all that. If you want to do a healing session or if you want to do a session with your team, I can do all that kind of stuff. So

Brandon Handley 49:49
So I was wondering, do you do any of the energy work remote?

Jenna Dalton 49:55
Yeah, I do all of it remotely. Right. And that right now? Yeah, we don’t monetize. We’re

Brandon Handley 49:59
gonna take the fix. This broken for sure for sure how do we you know I think he wrote something that was really good too that I enjoyed was to something about you know, rounding the edges right versus you know just kind of will say that it’s almost like the skulls of Michelangelo when he’s doing the the marble work it’s already all there it’s just you know, refining it so yeah,

Jenna Dalton 50:27
rubbing off those cabinets those rough edges that we’re always doing. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:32
Well just so so much fun to have you here. I love the work that you’re doing glad that we had the opportunity to connect. Thanks for you know, sticking with the long way. I know like I said that it’s been a long time, but I’m really glad that we’re able to connect today and

Jenna Dalton 50:47
thank you so much. You’re awesome. I

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Brandon Handley 0:01
Boom here hey there spiritual tube I am on here today with Jacqueline Johnson of the manifested calm Jacqueline I connected, I were just talking to her a little bit earlier about how we connected on Instagram, I really kind of dig everything that you’ve got going on with your manifestation space and kind of what you’re putting out there the messaging. And we felt like it’d be a good idea for you to hop on the podcast and share some of the messaging out and what it is that you’re doing and how others can, you know, find that and implement that in their own lives. So Jacqueline, once you give me a little, give the audience a little bit of a background on yourself. And we’ll jump into

Jaclyn Johnston 0:39
thanks so much for having me, Brandon. So I am My name is Jacqueline Johnston. And I’m a number one best selling author of the dolgeville stuck books, the series, and I also am the creator of the brand manifested and the podcast show host of the same name manifested.

Brandon Handley 1:05
Awesome, thanks for and again, thanks for hopping on here today. So as you know, right, we’re vehicles of source right sources kind of always come in through us and speaks to us to help others out, right? Like the more that we open ourselves up to be of service to others than then the sources kind of like, blows through us. And it’s in that vein, right that when you’re here and you’re speaking to you and I are speaking, you and I have a conversation, but the person on the other end is going to hear something totally different. And it’s gonna hear this message that can only be delivered through you today, Jacqueline, on this podcast at this time, what is that message that is coming through safely,

Jaclyn Johnston 1:45
I have to one, like, literally time is an illusion, it doesn’t exist. I work with physicists at a university. So I’m really, really anything and everything that you see other people manifest, it can manifest for you as well. And to us soon as you fully surrender to the outcome, and I do mean fully surrender, it just, it just shows up so quickly. Yep.

Brandon Handley 2:22
So when you say fully surrender to the outcome, were you saying

Jaclyn Johnston 2:25
I mean, there’s this method that I use, and I call it manifest manifest faster. And I use it by writing into reality. So every single time I write something down that I desire, and I match it with current blessings, or past achievements, with what I want to manifest in what I want to achieve, but I write it down as if it’s already happening, or has happened, your brain doesn’t know the difference between what’s true and what’s false. And neither does the universe, because it just responds to you through the boomerang effect. So whenever I write something down, and I just take about five minutes a day to do it, it programs and reprograms. And in helps my brain to understand that you know what this is possible, it was possible for somebody else, so it can be possible. For me, it’s like learning how to drive a car, learning an app on your phone. You remember when we were kids, and we were learning how to tire fuse. I mean, really, and truly, you can do this, you just have to give your permission is to give yourself permission to do so. And by writing it down, I have found that it manifests manifest faster.

Brandon Handley 3:47
For sure, so when you’re writing these manifests, and you know, when you’re when you’re manifesting, is it? Is it repetition of something? Or is it the creation of something? Or is it the development of an idea is kind of what’s that process look like for you as

Jaclyn Johnston 4:06
part of the process of fully surrendering is training your brain. And so it does involve some repetition, but not to the point where it’s all you focus on because then you focus on the need, rather than then just being open. So it’s really and truly learning how to appreciate everything that you do have, what you’ve accomplished so far, and building upon that through the compound effect of each day. And I mean, that’s really and truly How do you learn the lyrics to a song that you hear for the first time and you really like it, you set the intention to learn the lyrics to the song and you may not know it after hearing it the first time around, but you do learn it because you set the intention to do so. So It’s the same thing when it comes to writing in reality, you set the intention every day, hey, you know, I’m open to this. And I trust the process. And I trust the universe because it doesn’t matter when or how it happens. I just know it’s a possibility. And then when you mix that with other things in your life or your career, then you’re not focusing solely on that particular desire. And it helps you to fully surrender. And then when you fully surrender, the universe just responds so quickly.

Brandon Handley 5:40
I had a full surrender moment this morning. I couldn’t find my complaint. Right. And it but it but it was it really is in the same context, because it’s a and it was funny because I felt myself in this moment. Like, I can’t find it. And like, my chest started to get all tight. Like I wasn’t even like, I was like, frantic rain like that. It wasn’t a big deal. But it was like, I felt like this panic, I felt like this thing. And I was like, Oh, I’m putting all this like yuck energy. And like finding my phone, I’m like, this sucks. I was like, Alright, well, I guess I won’t have it with me, I’ll just roll on out. And I turn the corner is like, there was like, right there to my right. And I’m like, and it was like just a matter of just letting it go, just a moment of just like letting it go be like, I would like to have it, I don’t have to have it, it would be great if it showed up sooner rather than later. But whatever, we’re just gonna roll it, that kind of what we’re looking at,

Jaclyn Johnston 6:35
because the it’s like with the wave in the the waves in the ocean, you know, there’s so much tension that pulls back when the wave comes back into the ocean. And it reminds me also have a bow and arrow, like you’re you’re stressing out and you’re and don’t get me wrong, I live with anxiety every single day, and I’m a type a person. So I I’m constantly surrendering and practicing, it’s a lifelong journey. But you get better at it with practice. And so you have that tension, you know, mentally in your emotions. You’re like, Oh, my gosh, I can’t find my phone in your case. And you’re just like I need, I need to control this outcome. I need to control the surroundings. I need my phone. And then as soon as you like you said, you just said okay, well, whatever, I’m just gonna roll with it, then the wave surges forward, and you start hanging 10 because then instantly your manifestation or your desire, whatever it is, shows up. And yeah, instantly, that arrow just propelled forward towards the target. And it really and truly is learning how, like you said, to let go and stop controlling the how and the when, and I know everybody hears that all the time. But it really truly is a, a practice. And it’s a daily practice. Because as human beings in our society, we’re trained to want to control everything around us. Because let’s be honest, the unknown is scary. And I had that same experience. Most recently. I mean, I’ve manifested so many things in such a short amount of time in my life. But most recently, a couple of weeks ago, I gave up gave up but let go and gave into the how and the when of wanting to move to Cincinnati I have right now live in Dallas. And I’ve been with my boyfriend for four years. And I were you know, we want to be closer together. And I just kept like, feeling frustrated, up until about two weeks ago, because I thought, well, I’m gonna have to find a job. And then, you know, I work at the university with businesses, and I love my job. And I do I love working with them. And once I finally just was like, You know what, I’m not gonna stress about it. It’ll come in to play, it’ll, all the pieces will come together when it’s the right time. And then as soon as that happens, I literally got a phone call from the University of Cincinnati. Also in insight, it’s like the College of Medicine, but that’s still science base. But yeah, so I got a job offer to work in the College of Medicine to do their accounting, and I got actually offered a lot more money, then I’m getting paid here. And so I realized now every time I realized this, whenever I do manifest anything and everything. I realized that if I just stop trying to control the outcome, then things either manifest exactly how I expect it. Or much better comes to me and it’s usually much better, I would say 95% of the time, it’s much better than I can, you know, expect or or imagine because honestly, I wasn’t expecting the salary increase, like it is and I just felt so blessed in so now everything’s happening so fast. And the universe, I mean, it’s a boomerang, it just responds, but you got to let go of the control.

Brandon Handley 10:32
That’s great. The, the, the, the idea is if I, if I’m, if I’m following this or something better, right. And then I think it’s interesting that you’ve, you’re a type a person working in a scientific field and or space. And you’re, you’re also in this space, you’re also in the manifestation space. We know I’m guessing, also that it didn’t happen overnight. You weren’t always this person. So how did you? What’s your journey look like?

Jaclyn Johnston 11:05
Yeah. So when I went to, I went to college at UT Austin. And when I first got there, I thought I wanted to work in physics. And then my senior year, I realized, Oh, my gosh, I really love literature. And I love writing. And I’m an INFJ, and the Myers Briggs, which is a famous psychology test, which basically means I utilize both hemispheres of my brain equally. So you know, some people are extremely, like genius level on the right side of their brain or the left side of their brain. And I utilize both equally, so I’m a little bit more well rounded, and not really genius level in one particular subject. But yeah, so I ended up graduating with an English major and a minor in Communication Studies. But then I ended up in real estate, and I didn’t like it wasn’t for me, I was doing accounting in it, which is funny, because I don’t have an accounting degree. But with my experience, I was able to wind up back in the physics area, doing math all day long. But I also have the pleasure of writing books. So I have three published books now. And I have my own business and my own products, like mugs and journals, and I have the podcast. And I also, you know, write for media platforms. So you know, when you put yourself in a any kind of confinement, that limits you. And so, I believe that because everything exists simultaneously in the universe, then why not have the best of both worlds. And if you, and I know it’s hard, because I want to control too. But if you trust the process, it will happen so much faster for you whether it’s getting out of debt, I used to be in $29,000 worth of debt. And I got out of it. And I got out of that debt two weeks after I fully surrendered to that. And that was a few years ago. And I mean, I manifested a brand new car of my choosing for free. I got a brand new washer and dryer set for free. And I met my most favorite person in the whole world, Bruce Springsteen. And there’s just an i O. And I was single for nine years. And when I say single, I mean, could have checked myself into the convent single, I did not date. And I just decided I’m going to write him into reality. And I did that within 10 months. We’ve been together for four years, and now we’re moving, moving forward in the relationship. And he’s a chemist, he’s an inventor in chemistry. Yeah. So yeah, why not have the best of both worlds? It’s possible. And it’s possible for someone else and it’s possible for you, why can’t it be?

Brandon Handley 14:08
So let’s look at just starting small, right? Let’s just let’s just because, correct me if I’m wrong, but this a lot of this is going to work off of your beliefs, right? What are you willing to accept? And so let’s start off in the beginning, how do I start off in this space? What do I need to do,

Jaclyn Johnston 14:30
I always recommend, don’t focus on one particular desire. You don’t focus on anything and everything that you would like to manifest so that way you’re not focusing and creating vibrations of needs and lack. And you can start with smaller goals. And you can start with bigger goals. And you can start with, I don’t know like mid range goals. I say just allow it. Anything and everything. And then as you practice each day with writing into reality and shifting, you know what’s possible for you, which my my books, my three books that I have that don’t feel stuck series, I guide you day by day on how to do this. And I literally put in all of my it’s like programs but in a book, and I put in everything that I did for myself and still do for myself into these books. But it’s it’s that compound effect of the daily practice. So I know some people say, oh, start out with a small goal. Or some people say no, just focus on the one thing you want. And I’m saying why limit yourself just, you know, talk about anything and everything that you’re open to. And then as you shift, your self esteem will start to shift. Because let’s face it, most people want to believe in something that’s outside of themselves. And through my books with the cognitive behavioral training, which is psychology, I literally guide you and teach you how to start trusting yourself more, which in turn is trusting the universe, because we are the same elemental particles that are of the universe. So yeah, as you practice this practice makes progression and progression brings the manifestation. And again, being open to anything and everything. Blessing wise, coming your way, it’ll give you a confidence boost, and then over time, you’ll start taking manifesting action is how I call it, but it’s basically taking action towards your goals. So when you show the universe what you want, because physical action is a much stronger vibration than just thinking something, you know, a thought is just a thought, it’s a fleeting moment of feeling a stronger vibration, because you put focus on it. But action action is where it’s that and you want something to manifest, write it down, because that’s action, right? visualizing. And also just, you know, taking steps and saying, hey, universe, I mean business, I’m showing you what I want. And then you got to, again, trust the process surrender, and it will happen so fast.

Brandon Handley 17:24
Right? So I, you know, here Amir was saying the the idea of, you know, writing it down is an action of itself. And not to limit yourself to just starting small you can you can, anything, right? You’re saying anything is on the table? Why not? It’s all here. And it’s all here at the same time already, is something I’m kind of hearing you say, saying to like, you know, time is an illusion. So what’s that look like? Right? What do you mean, it’s all here already.

Jaclyn Johnston 17:56
So I like to tell people, if you close your eyes, and you imagine this clear, protective bubble around you, and then outside of it are all of your desires. I’m saying, you know, pop the bubble and let it come to you like it’s floating around, you know, but if you keep that separation of, Oh, I don’t know, if it’s possible for me, then you’re just you’re just keeping it at arm’s length. And so I say pop the bubble, allow it to come in. Don’t worry about how it comes to you. Or when it comes to you just be open to it coming to you. And another scenario I like to use is I call it your manifestations are delivered by ups universe Parcel Service. I know it’s so cheesy. But you know, when you go online, and you put in an item that you want to purchase, you click it and add it to the cart. And then when you go to check out, you put in your shipping address, and then you hit submit, and then you know that it’s on its way to you, you know that it’s coming. It’s the same process when it comes to your desires. You say, Okay, I want this, and you click the checkout mentally. You put in your shipping address, meaning taking action, like taking steps to make it happen. And then you just trust that okay, well, it’s on its way to me, and then as soon as you fully stop trying to control your surroundings, it shows up right away.

Brandon Handley 19:34
I love that. I mean, as you’re sitting there talking, I’m like, wow, you can make a fun game out of that and of itself. And while I’m thinking of that, in terms of manifestation, you know, we’ve been talking about positive manifestation the whole time, right? So this also works negatively, you know. And I guess, you know, we can ask people who are looking for the evidence that it’s an accent to kind of like, trace their thoughts back one way or another. Oh, where did that come from? How did that show up in your life? Right? So how do you, you know, for just just to get people started, right? Or even like kind of sharing your story? What uh, how did you get the free car? How did you know that’s over your life? I’m curious on the story, just share with the audience like what’s Tell us about that one? Yeah. So

Jaclyn Johnston 20:25
I, I remember, I had a is a Honda Civic, and I loved that car so much, the AC was broken. And since I live in Texas, it’s super hot in the summer. And I just remember, I would leave campus, it was so hot, and I the windows rolled down. And I, every day, I kept imagining myself in my car with a nice cool breeze in my car, a working AC. And I just kept imagining myself feeling cool. And, you know, it’s kind of like when you know, when you start talking about mosquitoes, and how they fly around you, and then they, they bite you, and then you get all itchy. And the more you talk about it, you’re gonna start feeling itchy. Or if you have to use the restroom and you start talking about water, then you know, it’s that urge. So I just kept telling myself on the drive home every day from the campus, like, Oh, my AC is so cool, it feels so good in here. And all I wanted was an a working AC in my car, it wasn’t an old car, it just was a broken AC, that’s all it was. And then about, I would say it was like a month later, I got a gift that I wasn’t expecting. And I got some money. And I realized, oh my gosh, I can get a car of my choosing for free. And I didn’t have to pay a dime for it. And it again, it’s that whole, you know, 95% of the time, it’s much better than you imagine coming to you. So why limit yourself into thinking that there’s a certain stopping point in terms of your desires coming to you, again, I didn’t think I would get a new car, or get money for a new car. But I just I was just so thankful that I was focusing on my AC working and then a bigger blessing came. And it’s the same thing. I mean, with recently with, you know, vote now moving to Cincinnati and working on our campus affair, you know, I just, I just tried to focus on how thankful I am for everything. But I also imagined myself, you know, experiencing what it is that I want to experience. And like you said it can work in a negative way as well. And I always love to use the bug analogy because yeah, you start filling he I mean even just talking about it, I want to scratch my leg right now even though I know there’s nothing there. But you know, your your body is not a solid, it’s tiny little particles just bouncing around all the time. So your perception is your reality. We want to think that things are a certain way, but they’re really not. And we’re the same energy that makes up the universe. And energy just influences itself. So you might as well be the master at it and influence it in a way to where you’re open to anything and everything coming to you and things that you want will come to you in a much better way. Well,

Brandon Handley 23:50
Jackie, Jacqueline, I need to plan this out. It’s got to be linear. I’ve got to have a plan needs to be my way. I’ve got to pay attention to the plan. I’ve got to act it out. What the hell? How? We’re out. Yeah. So what do you say?

Jaclyn Johnston 24:03
I’m the same way my, um, my grandpa is a Sicilian American. And growing up, he taught me everything happens in sequential order. So it again, it’s like you’re trained a certain way to expect things a certain way. And so you have to practice every day, even if it’s five minutes. Take those mental breaks that alarms in your phone to go off so that way throughout your day when you’re at work, you hear the alarm and you go, oh, mental break, and you just sit and relax. And you can meditate or you can just sit and write it out or type it on your computer. And just like focus on everything that you’re thankful for it can be literally because your coffee tasted extra good that morning, or it could be something even bigger. You know if you had a big bowl I think come your way, but I, I literally focus on how thankful I am that, you know, I have hands that work and, you know, legs that I can move and, and I just build upon that compound effect of, of building and don’t get me wrong I love to be in charge I love to take control. And I’m a planner. I’m a huge planner. And that’s okay. Because that’s what I did. I started looking for places in Cincinnati a week ago, and I thought, Oh, it would be cool to be over here. Oh, it’d be cool to be over here. But I didn’t attach myself to it. I just thought, Oh, I’m open to it. Same thing with Bruce Springsteen. I had a dream at night he pulled me up on stage was obviously during dancing in the dark. And in my dream, you know, it was great. It was fantastic. I woke up I laughed. I said, huh, that would be awesome. But oh, well, if it doesn’t work out, drove to work that day. And literally I kid you not one month to the day later, I was at his concert. He pulled me up on stage during dancing in the dark. Same thing habit.

Brandon Handley 26:16
I love it. Now what about somebody? Well, Jacqueline, that’s great. Sounds like you have a lot of coincidences in your life,

Jaclyn Johnston 26:23
incidences. So yeah, you can call them coincidences. You can call them blessings. You can call them forks, you can literally, like identify it, and symbolize it and have it represent whatever you want it to be your, your, your own limit. Because again, everything exists simultaneously in the universe. we collectively as a society, call a laptop, a laptop, but really, it could be a table.

Brandon Handley 26:57
Right? Like say, it’s just like, you know, call it what you need to call it. I’m gonna call it what I’m calling it, and it’s working for me. Right? I mean, that’s right. That’s the gist. And you know, it doesn’t have to be just because I come along, and I’m like, well, that’s coincidence. That’s whatever and like, doesn’t sound like you’re up for it. Right? I mean,

Jaclyn Johnston 27:15
you get to choose how it represents for you, you get to choose how you want to focus on it. And just because somebody says something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s actually a certain way. It’s their perception. And that’s their reality. Because, again, energy is just constantly bouncing around all day long throughout the universe, in colliding into itself, and shaping itself and molding itself. So you get to choose, just like if you were like, say your hand, for example, if you push on the skin on your hand, it moves and changes shape, because you’re influencing it, and you’re making that decision, but the universe it responds to you. So that’s why I say you’re your own limit. And you can call it whatever you want. Like in my new book, don’t feel stuck with money. I have the reader pick out their favorite song, and change up the lyrics. And you’ll change up the lyrics and put money or abundance in certain spots. And so that way, whenever you start hearing your favorite song, you you associate money with a positive thing rather than a negative thing. But it’s your choice. Either way, I think it’s hilarious. When law of attraction people try to say, Oh, no, you have to do it this way. And I’m like, Who says you have to do it that way. You say it has to be done that way, because that’s what you choose for your own reality. But there’s all kinds of ways you can manifest. I mean, you don’t have to write it down every single time. I like to write because for me, it works. But I type onto my laptop as well. And that totally worth. It’s just the whole point is just to get your mind to be more open and more accepting to whatever rather than things being a specific way, shape or form definition.

Brandon Handley 29:11
Fair enough. And I get you know, I guess that if you’re just looking at it in this specific way, shape or definition, that’s what you’re tuning your brain to right. That’s what you’re tuning your mind to. And that’s that’s the limitation, right? Those are confinements I believe his words, used earlier confinements to how, how this can show up in your life. And again, you’re like, Well, you know, here are the ways I suppose show up. Here’s what I see in my mind. This is what I accept as proof that it’s working. Whereas he just be like, again, letting it go. Right? Not be attached to the outcome. And chances of it showing up seem a little bit

Jaclyn Johnston 29:51
better. Yeah, because you you literally get what you expect and And that expectations, those are built through what beliefs and beliefs are built through what training to think and focus a specific way. And we go through school and we’re taught to learn how to write, and we’re taught to learn how to use mathematics. But it doesn’t mean that just because most people write with their right hand, that left handed people should write with their right hand, I’m left handed, I was ambidextrous as a child, my pick the lucky one, because everybody else was doing it the other way. It’s just a matter of Yeah, keeping your mind open and understanding that there is there’s no such thing as time. Time is, is really an it’s an observation between event A and event B. And that filler is what time is. But like I said earlier, anybody can have anything they want. And just because you see it happening for someone else, doesn’t mean that it can’t happen for you, you’re a human being just like they are. And just because you see them at a successful point, doesn’t mean you can’t get there yourself, you just have to give yourself some time and practice and use the compound effect we don’t see with our eyes, we see with our mind, our mind is the projector. And our eyes are the screens. And that’s how our anatomy is built. So if you can see it and envision it, and like feel good when you visualize it. And the more you do it, the less foreign it feels. And then therefore, you are able to accept it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
How key is attaching some emotion to this?

Jaclyn Johnston 31:54
Well, depending on if you want to, it depends, it just kind of depends on what kind of a outcome for your emotion that you want to feel. Do you mean for someone who wants to be in a positive state like most of the time in attaching to positive feelings? Or do you just mean in general?

Brandon Handley 32:15
So if I am attempting to manifest something and completely brain manifest a saint, I got all those intellect I’m like, Alright, yeah, I want that thing. I want that thing. I want that thing. Give it to me Give it to me, I see it, I see it, I see it. I’ve written like my man, you know, I’ve written off, but I’m not feeling anything, right? isn’t important. Can I do it with just like just thinking yeah? Or do I need to have some emotion involved? You

Jaclyn Johnston 32:43
can. It’s not as strong as an emotion. Because a thought is a fleeting moment. And so you don’t have much attachment to it. But a feeling you have a bit more attachment to it. And physical actions are even stronger vibrations. So I’m not saying that you can’t just sit on your couch and just think something. And I’m not saying that it can’t happen. It can’t happen. I mean, there’s a ratio to everything in the universe. So everything’s mathematics, there’s numbers. So it can happen. It’s just if you want to happen faster, then you want to envision yourself, doing whatever it is you want. And relishing in that moment and feeling thankful and blessed because the emotion is the stronger vibration.

Brandon Handley 33:36
I got it. Yeah, I’ve jotted this down, right, yeah, as you were trying to talk and you talked about, like the bow and arrow earlier. Like, it’s kind of like, your thoughts are the arrow in this scenario? And your emotions are kind of like what like sends it out? Right? Is that fair? Yeah.

Jaclyn Johnston 33:52
And for me, someone who has anxiety every single day, that that tension is the anxiety for me, it’s the stress of, of, Oh, I need, I need to know what’s going on. And I need to control because I’m a planner. And yeah, that’s true. But I always think like, why do I want to feel that way all the time. So so then again, it’s it’s a, it’s a journey, it’s something that you’re a student at all your life, because the more you practice it, practice the surrender, then you’ll start manifesting things, and then it’ll get a little bit easier. But also your desires get bigger, right? Because we always want more. So, exactly. So that’s why when, when I say I’m a master at the law of attraction, I’m a master at 99% because we’re always wanting more, and it’s always learning the growth and expansion through the art of surrendering. So yeah, so the arrow is, is definitely what you want. And the bow is like the union Verse saying, Hey, this is you know, this is me, this is how I operate, here’s the bow the framework. And then for me, the tension would be things it in the stress. But as soon as I let that go, it’s like, I pop the can have a, you know, one of those bubbly drinks. And it’s like, and I feel so much better because I released really, that need to control. And then the, it’s just like, boom, there it goes. Arrow arrow has left and it’s going in that direction.

Brandon Handley 35:33
Nice. The newest book is centered around what exactly,

Jaclyn Johnston 35:38
yeah, so I just published don’t feel stuck with money. And that is all about all the different ways you can manifest money. And I feel like, whether it doesn’t matter what the amount is, for me, it doesn’t matter. I just want more, right, we always want more money. So I go through different ways to manifest it. Sorry, to make the pun of my brand. But I, you know, again, I mentioned earlier, you know, playing around with lyrics to your favorite song. There’s also a kind of a fun exercise in there, about how, especially lately with the pandemic, you know, we’re encouraged to wash our hands more often. So I have a fun exercise. That includes being mindful with washing our hands, but also manifesting more money using a hand washing method. I also talk about and we do exercises with house chores. And I know that sounds like how do you manifest money with house chores. But there’s all kinds of fun ways to do you think. So this book is it’s a little different from the other two books that I previously published, in the sense that, like, I’m mixing it up with different actions that you can take, because I’ve learned over the last four years that you know, yeah, for me, writing into reality is really effective. But I’ve also learned there’s other ways you can take manifesting action and you can still manifest it.

Brandon Handley 37:18
Awesome. So what’s next for you in this journey?

Jaclyn Johnston 37:22
That’s a really good question. My podcast has been taking off so I’ve been collaborating with people who work in Hollywood and like some New York Times bestselling authors. So I’m going to continue doing the podcast it’s been fun for me and I have a fourth book that I’ve already written so I will get going on the editing with that and you know, I’m going to continue working in academia I really love it and I’m going to enjoy living in a whole new city and being with my boyfriend after you know being in a long distance relationship for the last four years. So I’m open to any and every blessing coming my way. And you know, every year I like to write out my goals for the year and then six months into it, I like to look at them mark off what I achieved and then start either modify that same list or start a whole new list and just be open to you know, things happening unexpectedly but in a good way because again, you either get what you want or something much better comes to you and it’s for you

Brandon Handley 38:39
nice no I love that I love that I was thinking the idea too that like if you didn’t get like one of those things that you really wanted like maybe that was the thing you were supposed to like you know that that it worked out correctly right like I always make the joke that like I’m glad I didn’t make a lot of money when I was younger because I probably would have like done some things and you know just wouldn’t worked out right like I probably would have done some stupid things right like i mean is that right fair enough fair enough. Well that’s like so gets this little part here where I just like to think about this podcast is kind of like this spiritual speed dating show right? Like somebody’s gonna show up and like I’m looking for my next spiritual they and Jacqueline you could be somebody who’s next spiritual date. Are you feeling up for a question or two? All right. Oh, come on what’s going on here so Bachelorette I know you’re not a real best spiritual Bachelorette. And maybe you are tied spiritually as well but just go with this right? Um,

do you ask enough questions, or do you settle for what? You know?

Jaclyn Johnston 39:54
I annoy people with all the questions I asked. Because I want to know why.

Brandon Handley 40:02
You go deep, you like to just keep asking you you like to keep asking.

Jaclyn Johnston 40:06
I’m a lot less talking a lot more action. So let’s just go to the why let’s just cut out the surface stuff.

Brandon Handley 40:14
Fair enough. Fair enough. What would you say is the biggest waste of human potential?

Jaclyn Johnston 40:22
That’s, that’s a very emotionally charged question for me, because I feel Honestly, I feel like the biggest waste is not being open to learning new ideas and new ways, because that’s again, your your own limit.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Yeah, the cellphone posters. So you’re saying like the self imposed limits? Just kind of murders? Yeah, for lack

Jaclyn Johnston 40:51
of a better way to use the analogy of, you know, there is no box, throw away the box. And I mean, I know it’s cliche, but I agree, there is no box.

Brandon Handley 41:03
Yeah, and that’s worked out for you, right? You’ve seen it, it’s showing up in your life. And that’s the way it living in life. And it’s working out, you know, working with actors, Hollywood, New York Times. That’s awesome. Right? So congratulations, like, on your journey. And just like kind of really stepping into it. And, you know, seeing it, I think that I think in for me anyways, I think the word is unfold, unfold has been like the best way to kind of hear people say it all the time. Like, you can go unfold, whatever, you know, but that’s how it just kind of happens, right? You start taking that action towards it. it unfolds in front of you. And like just the easiest sense of

Jaclyn Johnston 41:45
it. I had a I had a dog for 10 years, and he was my best friend. And he just passed away a couple weeks ago. And I thought to myself, Oh, my gosh, like, what am I gonna do? You know, I thought, Oh, that’s awful. I mean, it really is, has, it’s been really hard. And I’m not saying that because you master the law of attraction, you won’t go through hard things, we all go through hard things, because energy is constantly moving in all directions. So and that’s why success is not a one way direction or a one way street. But I thought, Oh my gosh, you know, my dog died. He was like, my security blanket. And, you know, I was feeling so lonely. And I thought, whoa, I mean, I, I’ve always wanted to bring my relationship with my sweet chemist, forward and more permanent, where we’re in the same city, and we’re living together. And he had a dog. And we always said, well, when our, when our pets are alive, we’re not going to do it. Because our pets were both really old. And, and then his dog died a couple months ago, and then my dog died. And I was just feeling so much loss. And I kept telling myself, you know, there’s a reason for this. And, and, like I said, you know, everything, just like quickly came together. I, the job I’m taking is a creative job. It’s a creative position. So I realized now that the reason why not saying that, you know, I would want my dog to die. But it was his time. He was old. And you know, he had cancer. So it was his time. But I realized now that the opportunity that has been placed before me to move across country, and to get a job that has higher pay, and be with my boyfriend every single day and move in together and all that, that, that is really and truly, it couldn’t have happened before because it would have just been too much with my sick dog. And it’s like we don’t understand in a moment, but then afterwards, we’re like, Hmm, okay, well, the puzzle pieces are coming together. Like you said, unfolding.

Brandon Handley 44:02
Yeah, no, at all, like the universe synchronized on your behalf. Right, and maybe not, in a way that and again, we don’t know how it’s gonna happen. Right? We just, you know, if we put faith in it happening for us, right, then then we don’t, that’s what we do. And then we step back. We’re like, all right, yeah. Show me what you got. Right? It’s

Jaclyn Johnston 44:25
not that it’s a say if you want to be a best selling author, it’s not that it

It can’t. You’re gonna have to read the book. Yeah. It may not happen overnight. Right.

Brandon Handley 45:09
Sure, for sure well Jacqueline this has been a pleasure thank you so much for showing up on where can I send people to find out more about you your books and your endeavors

awesome Jacqueline keep up doing what you’re doing I think a lot of people you know they need this and they need it from different people right? It’s like they’re not all gonna gravitate to the same person. And so you’ve got your crowd you’ve got your people you’ve got your audience that you speak to and a doing a tremendous job with this. So keep it up. Thank you so much what you’re doing.

You go Absolutely. Well, so you know, that’s well and hopefully that was all right for you. When we hit the things that

Creating your muse Spiritual Dope

Brandon Handley 0:00
Good morning, it’s time to get up and go to work. And it’s always been one of my favorite lines from the Beastie Boys, right? I don’t remember what song that leads into. But it was always great. It’s got it’s got to be on Paul’s boutique. Right? Paul’s boutique was always one of my favorites. I still remember, still remember finding Paul’s boutique for the first time? Like what the hell? Where’s this? Ben? Right? Where has this been? such an amazing album. So Meg, and I go back and forth often on the whole idea of, of obviously, forcing something but needing to be have a muse, right, needing to have a muse needing the moment to be right to launch into your artwork or your thing, whatever it is that you do. And I think that, um, I think that what can happen is that you always wait for like that perfect moment. And sometimes the Muse doesn’t strike you or or like, you’ve got so much. You’ve got so much riding on that muse. And you won’t do something, because you’re waiting for that perfect moment. And I was thinking about that this morning, as I was like, man, I really don’t have a whole lot to share, per se. Or is it really the fact that you’re kind of waiting for that perfect something. And a lot of times, and I don’t do it as often as I’d like. But also there and I’ll write it out. Sometimes the podcast some of the early podcasts that I did, especially with, especially with setting up the the beginning, the divine, to divine peace, right, when I did the framework for that, definitely set that up went through each one wrote it all out. And it was definitely well thought out, I felt like it was well thought out, at least it was thought out there was a completion it was done before it was done, as it were, the framework was there and I created it. And then, um, you know that that process in of itself was like, Alright, well, when you got the idea, just flush it out. And you just got you got the idea, just do it and take one run at it. And you always have the opportunity to take another run at it. But the deal is, is like, if you keep building a resistance, you know, to this thing that you want to do. But you don’t feel like you’ve got the perfect thing that you can do for it, then you’ll always kind of you always have that resistance there. It’ll always be there. And you may never you may never, you may never overcome like that, that that tiny, tiny thing, right? That moment of perfection that moment of I know I can do so much better than this. This is crap.

You Why would I do? Why would I do this this thing and it’s not the greatest. And I bring that up like I said this morning, I was like, you know, I haven’t done them for a while. And I miss I miss doing all canaries sorry. You don’t see them that often. The deal is is like you don’t you get kind of stuck in like this pattern, right? You get stuck in a rut of not doing the thing that you want to do. So you never do it. And, you know, I would encourage you as you’re, you know, thinking about that thing that you want to do, right? I’m doing the course a creative personal mastery with us. Sreekumar Rao, what a great course. And this week, we’re doing a couple two different things. And the two different things that we’re going through our mindfulness, which I feel you know, I I’m fairly mindful, I’m not perfect at it by any stretch of the imagination. But I am much more present much more aware and much more mindful these days than I have been in the past 40 years. I can definitely I can definitely say that. And the other piece is being bigger than your problem. Being bigger than the situation. I think being bigger than the situation is better than saying bigger than the problem. That’s where this this comes in. That’s the idea of, of what we’re doing today is be bigger than the situation be bigger than where you’re at and saying something to yourself like, well, this isn’t perfect, well, maybe it’s not perfect. But that’s what begins the light leak. That’s what begins the crack in the dam. That’s what begins the everything for you, right, as soon as you begin to open up and let it trickle, you begin to let it trickle. And then it just it just at some point, it doesn’t stop, it blows it all up, right blows it through. And I guess it creates an erosion effect of the dam. And over time, each little bit that you take action on each little piece is one more step closer to where it is that you want to be. And who it is that you say you would like to be. When you when you go through this process, are you making a left, I’m making a left, we’re both making a left, I don’t trust you ready? 123. All right, thanks for not hitting me, when when we both win, when you begin to take those steps towards the thing that you say you want to do. No matter how small no matter how imperfect, you begin to erode that dam and you begin to step more confidently. And what I mean by that, think about the baby steps. And if you haven’t raised a child, then think about when you see a baby horse, right, a full, full, taking some of its first steps, and, and those legs are super wobbly. And they don’t know, the horse doesn’t know, the baby doesn’t know, it doesn’t have confidence in their capability of their limbs, and how are they going to work. And the next thing, you know, you can’t find can’t find the child. And and next thing you know, you’ve got that one year old, full, who’s now cold is running. I think they usually three years old, but you know, they’re running, they’re running races, the run races that are literally running circles around you know, something else. And the idea is, once you begin to get your bearing, once you begin to get past that moment of, I guess it’s like insecurity, of whether or not you feel like you have the perfect thing to say, you know, you begin to develop that confidence in yourself. And then you begin to just enjoy being that person who you are, there’s a lot more joy in letting, letting anything out really anything that you express good or bad. But especially when you express something that is in line with who you believe yourself to be at that

time. And I say it like that because over time you’re going to evolve and change and and i think that that’s very important to realize and recognize as well. Your core ideas and beliefs may always be your core ideas and beliefs. But over time, like there’s going to be the the the surroundings of those core ideas and beliefs are going to change and evolve and expand and whatnot. So who what is it that’s in your life right now that you you’ve been you know, kind of waiting for the perfect moment where you’ve been waiting to shine your light, right? Like I wrote, I wrote something the other day that really talked about this talking about it was a quote talking about coming out of decisions made and fear are never as good as the ones that made are made and like the feeling of abundance and whatnot and when when you when you begin to open up right when you begin to shine, that light when you begin to feel who you are right the fear begins to recede and you begin to you begin, you begin to feel again, right you begin to feel safe again, you begin to feel whole again, as who you are, again within intention of being, being who and what you want to be. And to me, that’s, that’s very powerful. As you it’ll allows you to see, it just allows you to feel more comfortable with who you are, right? And it doesn’t, it doesn’t have to be a big thing. What is it that you want to do that would be in alignment with who you are, that you kept yourself from doing. Because you feel like the moment needs to be perfect, or you feel like the moments not perfect. But all you got to do is just start, all you’ve got to do is just take one small action into into that space, and you’d begin to see yourself as the person that you you’ve been telling yourself that you are all this time. And to me, and for me, you know, this is all from experience. zahl from from experience for me and starting my first podcast and starting my second third, and being that person and being in alignment. And continuing to I don’t want to say evolve, expand, I would say expand on the ideas that that I have had interactions that I’ve had and expand on who it is that I’ve become Who who are you being in the end, right? Who is it that you want to be and start showing up like that. And again, once you start taking those small, incremental steps into that, then you’re going to feel you’re going to you’re going to feel that self confidence, you’re going to begin to feel more at home. with yourself, which is which is kind of it’s ironic, right? You’re going to begin to feel that confidence. And when you do, you step into that. That’s what everybody’s always talking about kind of stepping into your power, right step into your power. Fuck the people that are like, stupid to your power. Or like you’re stepping into your greatness. I remember talking to people at a convention years ago, and people really want to shy away from the fact that they are already great, right shying away from this, the idea that you are already everything that you need to be in order to be who you would like to be. And that’s it. That’s great. You know, everybody’s wants the ideas, like everybody’s endowed with the seeds of greatness. Right? You’re, it’s up to you to kind of nurture that and make it so and become the person that you’d like to become and in alignment with all the things. So hopefully, you know, like I said, so this one started off with like, just the idea of like, I just want to get in and do it again. I

haven’t done one for a while. And for me, I feel like that came out. Okay. Right. And for me, I feel good because I got in and did it today, right? It’s kind of like when you go to the gym, right? You don’t. You don’t always want to go to the gym. But when you’re done, you’re always glad that you went Alright, that’s it guys take it easy and hit me up on spiritual dope Brandon at spiritual dope.co

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Erin McCullough Spiritual Dope

Erin McCullough is a thought leader, an in-demand speaker and an international teacher that helps people create IMPENETRABLE JOY so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life, NOW! Erin had an Anxiety Disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year. Through that experience she learned how and why that happened and developed strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she now teaches. Erin vowed that when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience, so that has been her mission. Erin spent a decade studying the Mind/Body connection, Visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decade she has created simple strategies to Overcoming and Preventing Anxiety, Stress, Worry and Overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally in Joy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are and what you are meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy.

Connect with Erin at https://www.erin-mac.com/

The transcript below is machine-generated and unedited.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Erin McCullough. She is a thought leader in the main speaker and an international teacher that helps people create impenetrable joy so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life. Now, Erin had an anxiety disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year, through that experience to learn how and why that happened and develop strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she’s now teaches. and vowed that she, when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience. So that has been her mission. There’s been a decade, studying the mind body connection, visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decades, she’s created simple strategies to overcoming and preventing anxiety, stress, worry and overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally enjoy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are, and what you’re meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy. Erin, thanks for your work in through the technical difficulties. As a as I told you, I’m working on this newer platform. But thanks for thanks for joining today. How you doing?

Erin Mac 2:05
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. I’m wonderful. How

Brandon Handley 2:08
are you never been better. My whole life has led up to this point. So you know, here we are. Here we are. So I like to start these off with the idea that we are deal sources. We’re talking about like a little bit before we got started here that we are all our source and that the universe speaks through us. And that right now in this moment, the universe is speaking through you to one of the listeners today. What do you have to tell that listener?

Erin Mac 2:36
Well, first and foremost, I believe it is our birthright to be predominantly in joy all day, every day. And if that’s not the experience you’re having, then keep listening. We’re going to talk about all the things strategies, and you know why we’re here what we’re meant to be doing. You know, all the things,

Brandon Handley 2:59
all the things all the things that I love, I love that you kind of chose joy had to go out and I had to go out and grab my, my joy mug. Oh, no. It’s actually like pretty much one of my favorite mugs right as the idea of what you kind of see out first thing I pick up and I carry around, I see I get to see the word joy everywhere I go when I’m drinking out of the mug. So definitely enjoy it. definitely enjoy the word joy and glad that we have the opportunity to talk about it. And I’m also going to be very honest with you. Before I went in, I checked you out a little bit more I was like what kind of fit is this? Right? What kind of fit is this? Because, you know, being a you know, more of a thought leader and all this I suppose like what’s the spirituality fit me and you know, so in your mind, though, like the work that you do is spiritual, you know, the the personal development is spirituality work. Is that set? Right? Is that fair? Yeah. Well, let’s talk about let’s talk about the journey, right, let’s talk about breaking through anxiety. Let’s talk about, you know, how you found yourself in an anxious position and kind of some of the things that you did to work your way through it.

Erin Mac 4:06
Awesome. So you know, my story has kind of like three moments, defining moments, if you will. The first started with the anxiety disorder that you spoke about. It actually came about in talk therapy. I was going to a couple’s group counseling with my husband at the time. And in that first session, I had a panic attack and I never had one before so I had no idea what it was. And the counselor picked up on it right away she explained all you know what it was and first she told me what it was she didn’t really exactly explain what it was. I figured that out later, but she told me that’s what was happening and and from there, you know, she said something’s obviously coming up for you. Would you like to do some individual work and In that individual work, you know, I was telling my trauma story over and over and over again. And what my body decided to do was put up the defense mechanism of anxiety. And so it got so bad that as you said, I hold myself up in my home. You know, it didn’t, it wasn’t an overnight thing and happened gradually, panic attacks, more panic attacks, then, you know, I had one was running, and I was training for a race at the time. And so I felt like I couldn’t run anymore, at least temporarily. And so I stopped running. And then I stopped teaching, I was a teacher at the time. And so it happens that way, you know, slowly, it’s not just one, you know, wake up, and, and no candu. After about nine months of that, she referred me to a homeopathic psychiatrist, who gave me a remedy after a three hour interview, that in 20 minutes basically cured me from the experience of anxiety. That’s the physical chemical piece, right? And I thought, wow, I have a new lease on life, you know, I can go and do all these things. But because of that experience, I was afraid, right. So I decided to move to Hawaii, and move to a small town and have a simpler life, right? Thinking that, you know, then I would never get triggered. And I would just live my life happily ever after in paradise. And unfortunately, while the chemistry piece was handled the mental emotional spiritual piece, not so much. And so I was still there. So in that simpler life, of course, I created anxiety, stress, and all that. So I moved to Hawaii. Immediately, in the first 24 hours, I started a business and I had a client. Within 18 months, I had 20 employees, multiple six figure contracts. And, you know, I was on my way to stress and anxiety. And the second thing that happened that really rocked me to my core was I 10 years into my business of just being frantic and crazy, stressed all the time. A client called in the morning, she was upset, and I would just get so frantic about clients complaining, they got in my car, raced over to a friend’s house, backed into a driveway to drop my daughter off, and I sideswiped her husband’s car or her his truck with my car. And come to find out later, when I came to pick up my daughter, that her husband was under the truck working on it while I hit it, and he thought it was gonna land on him. And that just rocked me to my core, I thought, This is ridiculous. Like, this is no life, you know, running around like a crazy person all the time. And so then I dove, you know, into self development, got involved with a seminar company did all their seminar staff for them, and started to see that there was a different way to be in this world, and starting to make some changes, that we’re having an impact on my life and other people around me. And then about five years later, I

found myself in the middle of a divorce. And for whatever reason, it just leveled me, I was in a dark place. And I thought, you know, I’d spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on seminars, reading all the books, you know, trying to do this other life, but I didn’t really have any legit strategies to doing life differently. So then a series of things happened. I picked up the book, maybe you’ve heard of it, the Course in Miracles, and was about a month and two reading. It’s a daily passage for about a year 365 passages. And nothing I was kinda like, this is interesting, but not really rocking my world. Then all of a sudden, month two, this crazy thing happened where the word started, like popping off the page. It was like the path is joy. The answer is joy, joy, joy, joy. And I was like, finally after a couple weeks of that, I was like literally threw my hands up in the air. I was like, I got the answer. How do I get there? And a series of things happened. I got an email from a gentleman I met. He was teaching a seminar in a wahoo and I thought I’ll fly over for that. I have no idea what it is doesn’t matter just need something positive. And I went and it was a day long seminar on a visualization process that he teaches. And I was so excited by it. I came home and I started using it immediately called my broker who had had my business for sale for like nine months with no bites. And I was like look, I just want to let you know my business is going to sell by the end of the month and there’s going to be a bidding war. And it was like, okay, and long behold a week later That’s exactly what happened. And then I went back and trained this gentleman that I had gone to that seminar, he was having a seminar, to train people to teach his main seminar. And I went and trained for a week I came home, put on my first seminar, and I stood in front of this group of people, and I ditched my notes, five minutes in, because I had this crazy experience where like, everything that I had ever learned, all of my life experience, everything I had ever read, just came together, like at one moment, I went, Whoa, like, this is what I’m supposed to do. Like, I’m supposed to teach people how to find their joy, cultivated daily, and live the life that they’re meant to be living now, without waiting for all the things or the, you know, whatever they think they need to have in order to have that, like, that’s available now. And I happen to also during that few week period, meet the love of my life in these very random circumstances, which I don’t believe in random anymore. And, and so it just all lined up. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last almost four years.

Brandon Handley 11:11
That’s awesome. I mean, and it’s interesting, right, that you came, you kind of came out of a, from what I gathered was more of a business oriented kind of thing versus this pursuit of joy, right, are you that you’re doing now? And I think that I heard you say, on another podcast that, you know, maybe some of this is Woo, but if it is, woo, it’s working out for you. And and you’re okay with it, right?

Erin Mac 11:39
I mean, that’s the thing, you know, people always say, Oh, that’s kind of woowoo. For me, I’m like, I’m looking at woowoo people, they look pretty happy as all I can say. Something too, and

Brandon Handley 11:50
it’s pretty amazing. The idea to have, you know, just try some of these things out for the first time. Very go into a very skeptical, right, this vision process that you’re doing that you’re thinking about, while it seems pretty cool. But then you you go and you try it. And then things start working out. Right. I mean, talk to me a little bit about that. So how did that have that come? And like kind of manifest itself? What was some of your initial reactions when you saw, were even calling it the universe? And what were you calling it? Well, like, what was your know, kind of how, how was that for you?

Erin Mac 12:30
You know, it’s kind of crazy, because you know, how it’s like life. I mean, again, it’s like life unfolds slowly. And you don’t recognize exactly what’s going on. So you look back and go, Whoa, like, look at all these things that happened. That’s crazy. It took me a while to even recognize how much I knew that I was feeling better that I knew. And honestly, you know, I just, I thought I knew what joy was, I thought I knew what happiness was. The thing was, is I was on this, like, roller coaster ride of things, right? It was just like I was so 100% bought into the idea that if I had all the things, you know, a stack of cash, and the house and the car and the successful business, and all the things that we’re told is gonna make us be happy. I had all those things, and I was so miserable, right? But I didn’t even know that it was possible to experience joy. Do you know what I mean? Like I really just didn’t even know what was available.

Brandon Handley 13:39
So I think it’s really interesting that you bring it up, right? I think there’s this, you know, Tale of Two Cities type of thing, where you went, and you got all these things, and you did all the things because this is what we’re taught. But that’s been my experience is like, hey, go through all these things. Because this is what you’re taught. Right? And you’re not doing it maybe with the same intent that some of these other people are doing it right, you’re doing it to a mass and acquire and to be happy and to have status versus what you’re doing now, which is to implement, purpose, intent, and service, right, and the outcome that you’re headed towards now. Right? If you haven’t, I’m sure you’ve already achieved. I mean, listen, if you landed in Hawaii has some clients on the first day and you know, whatever, you know, a mask pretty quick like that, you know, whatever it is that you’re doing right now, I’m assuming is successful, in one way or another, right? And but now it’s aligned to who you are with your purpose and there’s fulfillment and joy in that and the rest of it just kind of comes naturally, right? It comes as a byproduct of that intent and that purpose versus if you could compare To the way that you are running life before, right? You were miserable. You were like, anxious and you know, knocking people’s trucks over on him. Right? And now I’d like you’re doing maybe the same work, I don’t know. But what’s the effort feel like, compared to what you’re the effort felt like before.

Erin Mac 15:21
I mean, you’re, you hit it right on the head, like I am 100% in service of people and myself. And while that may sound selfish, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of where you got to be when you’re in service to people in this way, you know, and it’s a whole different experience, you know, before it just felt like I was grinding, grinding, grinding all the time, you know, like, it took all these things in order to make success, like I really, you know, there are these ideas that we have from a young age, you know, success looks like this formula. It’s right. It’s like, it’s like, hard work plus luck, right, you know, like this, you know, formula of success. And I was 100% bought into that, too. And now, it’s not like that, it’s like, it doesn’t seem like work. It’s not a four letter word anymore. For me, it’s 100%. Like, like, when I give to clients, I give to myself, like, it’s such a win win. Whereas I definitely didn’t function that way in my life before 100%. And now it’s like, you know, while I still have to negotiate, you know, time, you know, balance the things out in my life, this never feels like something I’ve have to do. Like, I’m excited to do it all the time. I feel called to share what I know, because it’s had such a profound impact on my life.

Brandon Handley 16:51
I think it’s interesting to how, you know, on your first seminar, you kind of tossed off to the side and everything you ever knew, kind of fell into this framework. Right, and you were able to just let it freely flow. Right? I mean, what, what looking back, what would you say happened there?

Erin Mac 17:15
Oh, I, I was, you know, I think we’re guided all the time. I think we have support all the time, from all the things, you know, universe, energy in general, you know, I mean, scientifically speaking, energy cannot be destroyed. So every person who’s lived, their energy is here to you know, and, you know, that’s why people talk to loved ones that have passed, and, you know, like, they still the energy is still hear it’s exist, so why not tap into those things? I think, you know, it happens to me all the time. And I’m not gonna lie, it was freaky. You know, because it’s, you know, for somebody who’s like a recovered control freak, you know, a bunch of people and all of a sudden, just free flowing. And not to say it was just random all over the place is still stuck to, you know, we had a workbook and things but, you know, to go off the notes, I still do that. And I just, and I, and I recognize, I mean, even sometimes when I’m on podcasts, like, I’ll just, I’ll wake up in the middle of it and go, Oh, like I, you know, I wouldn’t say it’s me, I want to say channeling, but it’s like, it’s taking energy that exists. Like what I’m telling what I tell people and how I’m in service to people and the information that I share with people. Like it’s not new to me, like I didn’t make this stuff. Right. Right. Right. This is a real learning. Right, right. And when I’m teaching, I see it in the students, it’s like, they can hear me on a deep level, even if they’re not consciously aware of what I’m saying. They’re feeling on a deep level. And that’s coming from not me, you know, I mean, I hear it and I can disseminate that information, distill it down. But it’s, it’s exists, we’re all connected to it one way or another.

Brandon Handley 19:06
No, 100%, right. Truth resonates. And that’s the kind of that that’s the experience and you’re talking to somebody else. And you’re in a room with with these people and and you’re having a truth session on the value column, right? It’s your truth, this is kind of coming through you. And you’re like, I don’t even know, I didn’t even know I could do that. Right? But then, but then the rest of the room is resonating with you. And to me, that’s kind of what it sounds like as happening. And you know, call it channeling. It’s funny too, because, like we we still have our limitations on what we’ll call it, right? Like, I don’t know that. Yeah, I don’t know, I call it channeling I don’t know, you know, whatever. But you know, what you’re doing is you’re at least letting yourself open to, to it, whatever, whatever it is, to come through and to to and through you. Right as a kind of a receiver translator as it were.

Erin Mac 19:59
That’s it. receiver for sure, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and I think we’re all we all have that ability.

Brandon Handley 20:07
I mean, it’s an eight, right. And so, I mean, I don’t know how old your kids are, you know, I’ve got my, my nine year old. And it’s so and and my older child to 11. But you know, it’s so obvious just how like innately in tuned. The children are, right as as as it is and, and then you can kind of watch it literally be kind of like almost a brainwash, but brainwashed out of them, right, like, you know, just kind of have those senses gold and like, you know, go through like this other thing, and you just kind of watch it, you’re like, wow, that’s crazy. Because we go through this relearning experience later in life. Are you an Alan Watts fan? I don’t know who that is. Oh, my gosh, come on now. All right. Alan Watts. Yeah, Alan Watts. You know, he’s a kind of philosopher made. Popular lies, Zen Buddhism. And in the West, West, it’s like in the 60s 70s, right? English guy, you really enjoy him. One of the things that he talks about those, it’s like, it’s like, we’re like salted beef, right? We get all salted and you got it. You got to desalinate that beef. And then you’re like, you’re back to your natural state at a certain point. And that’s, again, sounds to me. I like the way you’re the way you’re going. Right? You’re feeling into it. The what was the cure? I mean, because you had the homeopathic guy, right comes and gives you the cure. What was it? Do you recall? Was it like, a miracle pill? You know, help me out here.

Erin Mac 21:51
Now Now what? homeopathy is so interesting. It’s so distilled down the amount of whatever the substances may come in. Have you ever taken it before? That’s like little tinctures, tablet. They’re little pills. Yeah, no, tiny, tiny little granules. And, and they taste like sugar. And they have just, I mean, it’s almost like they have essence of the thing. And it really is for the purpose of sort of writing your own self, right? So you introduce it to the body, and the body goes, Oh, that’s right. We use a function fairly normally, in this stage. Here’s the thing that I need. And interestingly enough, when she gave me the remedy, she told me what it was called. And she said, I don’t want you to research it. And this is pre internet. It’s not pre internet, but it was definitely internet was not a thing. Really. This was like 99, there was no Google. Yeah, it was not, there was no verb called Google it. And so, you know, she was just like, I don’t want you to research this. And, you know, just see what happens or whatever. And, you know, and I, I mean, I almost don’t want to say what it is because I don’t want people with anxiety to think that that’s the cure all it’s not the cure all, it was just the thing that made me feel better enough to get on the path to recognizing that the work is internal, emotional, spiritual, and then the body follows.

Brandon Handley 23:29
It’s so interesting, though, right? Because we, we’ve, we believe the other way around, right? Because we see the things that everybody’s doing, but we can’t see the inner work, we can’t see how they’re thinking, functioning, or directing themselves internally to get to that point. So we’re like, Alright, well, I’m just gonna go do all those same things. Right? And it doesn’t it doesn’t work out, right? Because we’re not we’re not aligning all three of those pieces of ourselves together. We’re just like, we’re hammering on one at a time. Right?

Erin Mac 24:02
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you see people they have you know, I work with a lot of people who have cancer and other diseases because that’s mental emotional, spiritual two, I believe were three equal parts you know, mind body spirit. And if any of those are out of alignment or out of balance, it’s going to show up in the other ones right and in a negative way or and that not wanted way. And often we can, you know, we can skip past mental and spiritual right we can we have all kinds of ways to not feel and acknowledge and, you know, the obvious ones are drugs and alcohol, the less obvious ones are things like being super busy, not ever having any stillness in our life, you know, being helicopter parents, you know, the SWAMI we spend all day every day Trying not to feel any. And, you know, and so you can imagine, and we’ve done it from a young age, like, it’s not really our fault. It’s, you know, we’ve grown up to this idea that we’re not supposed to have emotions, we’re not supposed to feel those things, only very controlled and in very specific ways, depending on the environment, you know, like, can’t cry in a business meeting, you know, you know, are you crying out to lose it? No crying in baseball.

Brandon Handley 25:32
I know, my first, my first go around, like in the podcast room and coaching space was fatherhood. And a big point of what you’re saying there’s is especially as Western civilization, men, emotions, come on now. You know, yeah. That’s it. I mean, and that’s a brilliant question too. Because we don’t know, we don’t know, one of the one of the tools that I use, often is the blue check wheel, right? Just just has the emotions kind of listed out, I hand it to my clients, I’m like, you know, go through it. You know, take a look at this every day, if you don’t know what this one means. Or if you if you think that you do, go double check the definition of that and just see kind of how you’re applying it in your life and how you can use it to, you know, acknowledge your situation, because we don’t we, I suppose I was like, 40, or something I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I was, I guess, like, you know what, because I had a, I had a coaching friend, he goes, because Brandon, I’m not hearing anything emotional, or there’s nothing emotional. I was like, Oh, let me go check that out. I was like, Well, I

Erin Mac 26:32
mean, unfortunately, our society, especially for a man, like you really only allowed to anger is the only like, standout emotion and now, that’s just as tragic. But that’s changing slowly, as

Brandon Handley 26:45
well. You know, I like to call kind of where we are right now in whatever culture like a hippie 2.0 situation. Right? Right. We’re kind of like a hippie 2.0 situation where like, okay, like, maybe if we don’t deal with all the drugs, it’ll work out better this time, right, like, cut it out on like, the illegal substances. And, you know, we can still get to this place, mentally and spiritually, right. And, and, and since we’re seeing that, there’s, there’s the actual benefits are being seen and heard, and, and I think that the pandemic had such a huge influence, because nobody was spared. Right? If anything good came out of level, it’s like, it’s like, level set everything. So, so for the, you know, for the CEO, or business leader that could normally like hop on a plane and do everything that like, his employees couldn’t, he was stuck at home to with the kids having to deal with the zoom meetings. He wasn’t getting a you know, he wasn’t getting a free ride out of it. Right. And so his mental, her mental health was impacted as well. And they’re like, Oh, shit, everybody’s gone through this, we’d better do something. Right. So we see, right? I mean, so I think there’s some benefit out of this whole COVID situation to huge, right, right, the right mental health space of people, spaces, places and things. So if I am coming to you, and I am like, the client type I am is who you were before you got to this choice spot, right? Um, you know, I’ve got success, not like, you know, I’m not Whoo, kind of guy, my calendars, you know, tight and all this stuff. What are you what are some of the first things that we’re gonna do together?

Erin Mac 28:39
First, we’re going to acknowledge and begin to make some separation between the story that’s been running your life, you know, the story of all the rainbows and sunshine, a story of all the, you know, the yucky, the fit, the unfair, the unjust, the abuse, trauma, all those things, not for the purpose of wallowing in and you know, it just to acknowledge where we started, and maybe what’s affecting some of the ways that we see this world, how we perceive people and circumstances, and then take that story and recognize it for what it is the gift that it has been, and will continue to be in terms of showing us where healing and growth can take place. And you know less about all the things all the details in terms of, you know, who and what happened and all of those things. It’s really more about what did you decide about you because of that story. Those are the beliefs and then when we recognize some of those beliefs, then we can understand that, you know, that’s been playing out in the background, that’s the wallpaper so to speak of our lives, you know, where we make decisions from and a lot of the decisions are fantastic. We need not mess with those, but the ones that aren’t serving the future that we want to create. Those are the ones we want to take a closer look at. And so then, from there, I have people do a day, I have them write out a narrative of the day in the life of everything they ever wanted to create in our life, you know, all outcome based, you know, all you know, all the fields, you know, touch, taste, see, smell the whole deal. So exciting, you know, ever, like literally for a moment, wake up until moment go to sleep one day with everything in it, all the people, all the circumstances, all the outcomes. And then they use that in a visualization. And they start their day, because that’s where I found my joy was in that visualization. Understanding a day in the life now, is it about manifesting? Not exactly. It’s really about elevating the emotional experience, because you have that at your disposal at all times. And so we learn that we can our body doesn’t forget things. So when I’m in my visualization in the morning, like, My arms are in the air, I’m like, super excited, like, yes, that just happened. And then yes, that happened to and I mean, tears of joy streaming down my face. I mean, it’s all the things, I’m 100%. And on every level, I’ve raised my emotional experience. And then, like I said, the body doesn’t forget. So when you have that experience, you can recall it at any time. So when you’re going throughout your day, things start to go south, you can put yourself Take a moment, close your eyes, put yourself back into that moment, refocus and move on, versus what most people do is go out, this thing’s not working out. And then there’s all these other things that aren’t working out, there’s that thing, and then there’s another thing I didn’t like, and then this other person, and then you know, and so just got to read the brain and just, it loves to do the same stuff over and over again, and act like it’s new.

Brandon Handley 32:08
Yeah, it’s not. I mean, I think the idea of the brain, right, it’s, uh, likes to be an efficient piece of machinery, right? consumes so much energy, the more efficient it can be. And so let’s just keep doing this thing, because it’s just, you know, hasn’t killed us in the past? Right? If we just keep doing this, we will die. And we may not be enjoying our lives. But you know, it, you know, hasn’t killed us before. So I enjoy I enjoy the visualization. And and I think that there’s a big piece of what you’re saying there that a lot of people when you’re doing these exercises, don’t hammer home, I think, quite enough. And that’s something I think you’re touching on is the idea of the feels. Right. So my guess is that this is kind of a writing in the present tense exercise. Right?

Erin Mac 33:00
Yeah, preferably, you know, again, outcome base, so you want to say in gratitude, right, because of high vibration, it’s, you know, I’m so grateful that, you know, all these things are happening in my life, you know, as though they’ve happened already, as they exist in the now. Right. And they will, in your visualization, they exist as already taken place, and done deal.

Brandon Handley 33:25
Right. And I think that, that the idea is that I’m just, I’m just feeling your words now. Because I heard you saying earlier today, the idea is that, you know, what wants to give us the idea that right, so if I can feel it right now, then what’s that doing for me?

Erin Mac 33:42
Yeah, that’s creating, so I can’t tell you how to get all the things. I mean, I think, you know, for me, they’ve come by being in that elevated state. And so, you know, I, what I help with is changing the experience of life, you know, and I think that’s a heck of a lot more important than amassing things, you know, if, if I could show you how to change your experience in your life to joy, right now, by doing this visualization, that seems more valuable to me than, you know, telling you how to make six figure seven figures, whatever, you know, to me, other people, you know, they have other ideas, and that’s wonderful. And, and I don’t proclaim to, you know, claim to be able to help with those things. But I know how to find joy and I know how to cultivate it so that you can have that experience. And that’s, you know, that’s the first step is to recognize that you are responsible for your experience and when you know this, not in like fault blame shame kind of a way, in an empowering way, then you can just choose and choose and choose. Just keep choosing that thing that makes you feel good now, it doesn’t change anything, have goals, do all the other stuff, too. That’s amazing. But, you know, given that we only have this moment here, guaranteed why not make this one enjoyable? You know?

Brandon Handley 35:16
Yeah, no, agreed, agreed. And, you know, if I’m, if I’m, if I’m a law of attraction guy, if I’m, you know, in that space, right, this is how I would, you know, kind of liken it would, and I don’t know who it is, there’s plenty of them out there. That’s like, you know, the happiness doesn’t kind of come later comes now, right. And if you can be happy now, and whatever the circumstance, like you’re talking about, then you can make that choice. Again, like you’re talking about all the time. You can find joy all the time, and anything and all you’ve got to do is again, like you’re saying, If I go through the morning, and I had this visualization, I’m like, Well, I’m feeling the feels. It’s all there for me, everything’s great. Ah, and then like, you know, late in the day, I’m not so feeling the feels. And I’m like, Well, wait a second. early in the day, I was feeling the feels. And this was like that kind of anchor point. Right? Let me get back to that for a second. Because I created that moment for myself. Right, versus kind of letting something outside of me create that it was me who did that Creator of all these things, then, here I am. I’m always like, kind of high vibe. And I’m always like, buzzing, right. And then, you know, you’re basically sending that out into the universe, right? Like, just kind of this this high vibe. And, you know, if we act as if the universe is a force multiplier, right? We know that like anything, you’d come out and throw out, there’s coming back at you like, Well, I better stop, throw a monkey poo, right, like and start the things that I could really use in my life that I want in my life. And then you know, and visualize that and see it, feel it and release it right. I think that’s important, too, is kind of just like, release it and not hang on to the idea that it has to happen, right? You’re talking about the people that are like, well, this, Aaron, I tried this for three days, and it didn’t show up. My life did not change the way you said it was. And I’ve you know, I’ve been doing all the things you tell me to do. But I mean, the idea, again, is to go through those fields, have them do the visualization. And release it because again, you’re creating your own, you’re creating your own space, please in time, let’s face that, right.

Erin Mac 37:25
Yeah. And I got two things to say about that. One is I want to talk about the difference between happiness, his idea of happiness and joy, because they’re different. And I forgot what the other one is. But I’ll talk about the happiness, the joy, that one the rest will come. Right. So to me the difference between happiness and joy is that happiness is fleeting, right? It’s you get the new car, it’s amazing. Eventually, it’s just a car, right? It gets you from A to B, and this game of, you know, getting the things to make you feel good, it feels good for like this amount of time, right. And I only know that because I did all those things. I had the houses and the cars and the successful business and the time flexibility, all the things that everybody would want. And I literally kept like going over finish lines. And going, yay, hooray. I’m happy right now. And then, like, when I was doing trap all the stuff of go across the finish line, I would go home after celebrating for like five minutes. I mean, maybe like half hour or whatever, go home and find another race that I could either crush my time in that was longer hard or whatever. Like there was no end to it, like a couldn’t win that race ever. Joy, on the other hand, encompasses some of the you know, the exuberance and all of that Not always, but it can include those. But it also has these nuances of like stillness and peace of mind, which is not thinking all the time thing. Or overthinking and calm. Right. And so those nuances are available and so rich, you know, they’re either things I didn’t know existed. I had no I mean, maybe I’d heard those words before, but I didn’t really understand them on a deeper level. You know, and so, those differences are important, because the one you just can’t win out. So yeah, get all the things and be super abundant and all the ways just recognize that the journey inside is the one that has purpose and meaning the one on the outside where we collect things. Those are super cool and fun too. They just don’t. They don’t fill you up as a human

Brandon Handley 40:01
I think that I think that those are important distinctions, right? Happiness quick and fleeting, right? and joy is a little bit more kind of like a long lasting coal and Ember of warmth, right? Yeah. But a state of being. Yeah. So let me see here. Two things, two things. So I liken this, what we’re doing here is like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody’s gonna, somebody’s gonna tune in, they’re like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. Right? And, and this could be you. So I’m gonna ask you at least one kind of, you know, question is that, uh, you know, let me see here, whoa, yeah. Why are so many people depressed?

Erin Mac 40:47
Okay, so call it depression, call it anxiety, call it whatever you want any low level experience, which is anything that doesn’t feel good stress, overwhelm, worry, all those lovely words, they’re the same thing. They are the experience of the human wanting to control people and circumstances to fit in how they want them to show up, or they don’t feel good. And the unconscious recognition at the same time that it is impossible to control people and circumstances and events to fit into your agenda. And so you can see where that those two things butting up against each other would create some confusion. And so that confusion looks like anxiety, depression, you know, all the it’s, we have this new, we’ve touched on it before the belief thing, right? So it’s foundational, we made up everybody has them. I’ve not met anybody yet, who does not have these very core ones that are things like, I don’t deserve, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable, you know. And they’re all basically the same thing. Like, I’m not good enough. And so those are underlying all of our decisions and how we’re feeling about ourselves. And then we interact with other people. Based on those beliefs, we have decided what’s right and wrong. So that’s how people are supposed to show up for us, and how circumstances are supposed to show up for us. And so we got into this habit of we learned this piece about when this person says something or the circumstance doesn’t turn out how I want, then somehow it’s their fault, right? So if that person said something, and they’re rude, instead of that person said something triggered something in me that did not feel good. What is that? And why is that there? When we look at that with wonder and curiosity and go interesting, because I guarantee whatever is triggering, you is not triggering me. So that’s how, you know, it’s all you.

Brandon Handley 43:06
It’s true. Um, you know, if if I was spiritually looking for a date, then then I would say, Hey, what’s up? I’m good. And I agree, you know, I don’t think there’s a piece in there that I disagree with. So So thank you, I think that’s a great answer to to it, right? Everybody’s still trying to control the outcomes in some way, shape, or form. And when they’re not turning out the way they want them to. They’re not they’re not accepting it. Right? They don’t see it. And I think that the idea of approaching these triggers with wonder and curiosity versus like, kind of anger and angst is also really why is this can trigger still here. Right? So it makes sense. And I love it. So and what else I know that we talked about, you know, you’re doing the work that you’re doing now, but you’ve got a new endeavor, what are you, you know, what are you leaning into next?

Erin Mac 44:00
Oh, my gosh, I’m so excited. I’m working with couples right now. I just finished doing my pilot course, on partnership. And the reason I’m so excited about it is, well, first of all, I truly believe we are here for spiritual development, or you call self development or whatever you want to call it consciousness. And when we recognize that that’s why we’re here and that all these you know, challenges that come into our life are for the purpose of our growth, then we can, you know, grow and heal and enjoy ourselves, right? Well, what happens when you bring two people together, that understand that there’s a process to healing and growing and understand that same process in a way where, you know, in couples, it’s like, it’s easy to see how escalation can happen because it’s like, especially when I’ve just told you what’s going on. Right. So You said this thing, it made me feel bad, you know, right. So instead of, you know, we do this responsibly, so then we go, Oh, you said this thing, I feel bad. There’s nothing that you can do to make me feel better, I’m in charge of making me feel better. And then they can support you in that, right? And then instead of escalating it’s support, right? So it’s not, you made me feel this way. It’s, I feel this way, and it doesn’t feel good. And, you know, support me in that instead of like, get your beliefs and you know, the things in your life that aren’t working out and escalate, escalate, escalate, it’s like, no, this is mine, I own it, it doesn’t feel good. And then the two of you work together in that capacity. And it’s just amazing to watch couples, it’s exponential, because not only is their relationship so much better, but think of the impact that will have on their kids, the rest of their family, when they can see two fully functioning adults coming together, helping support each other in their spiritual growth. It’s phenomenal. And so that sounds awesome. That

Brandon Handley 46:15
sounds awesome. So where does, you know? What, who’s your ideal client? Like in this space? Right? So I think we got two types of ideal clients, you got the partners, ideal clients, and then you’ve got your, your, your standard practice clients, what is what are they?

Erin Mac 46:30
So ultimately, you know, being an entrepreneur for like, 21 or two years now, entrepreneurs, like me, for some reason, because I get their craziness, I understand that they are under the gun and responsible for a lot of things. And those, typically, and leaders to write just people have a lot of responsibility. That, you know, like to make all the things work out, you know, like to control all the things, those are the people that I ended up working with, because I get them, I was them. And I still have nuances of that, of course, you know, so working on me, and all that all the things. And then couples who are recognizing that, you know, especially when you’re coming together as maybe two, what do they call that the set called the two families come together to blend in? Yeah. Like, I’ve noticed quite a few couples that are interested in working with me, that have that situation, because it’s, you know, it’s already challenging being in partnership, but then you bring in the kids and just escalates all the things. And so, you know, any couple, of course, who’s having an issue, wanting to communicate in a deeper way or, you know, deepen their relationship in some way. Fantastic. And, you know, it’s super challenging when you’re bringing in, you know, other kids and into the mix and all that. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 48:05
hard enough with your own, right. Yeah, for sure. So and where then, where Then should I send people to come and find you, if they’re interested?

Erin Mac 48:18
I think probably the best place to find me is on Instagram. My handle is Aaron, er, I N m A C LLC. And I post like a weekly video on some sort of strategy or something to think about. And I put like, inspirational memes and my stories. And my website URL is in the profile as well. It’s a good way to interact with me, you can DM me, you can private message me or whatever. You know, and I always whenever I’m on a podcast, I offer a free I call it step one to joy call to just get you on the path, you know, maybe I you know disseminate the, the visualization process a little bit further so that you can get started on that and your life or whatever that looks like. And if afterwards, you still want to hang out with me and learn more than great if you don’t, no strings attached. It’s just my way of being in service.

Brandon Handley 49:21
Awesome. And thanks so much for being on today. Thanks for what you do, right? You know, being able to help people make that transition from a Bumble of nerves into something, you know, a little bit more usable and functional in society. I mean, there’s the there’s a reason why that’s your calling. So thank you for being of service and doing that for everybody out there.

Erin Mac 49:47
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. And thanks for having these platforms. It’s really important to have these conversations, giving people hope and strategies and just something to think about that’s, you know, positive I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much. Absolutely.

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What are you visualizing

Unknown Speaker 0:02
What’s going on?

Brandon Handley 0:03
Coming

Unknown Speaker 0:05
from

Brandon Handley 0:06
a little bit of Brazilian jujitsu this morning? Had a Heather Come on, though for a second. As I pull myself together here, as as I walked out the door, and one of my favorite sounds of all time is kind of going on. It’s, uh, I don’t know why. Yeah, we all we all try to have like those memories, those childhood memories working with the inner child. But maybe I do have an answer for you Just give me a second here is one of my favorite sounds is rain falling. And not just rainfall, but rainfall. While driving every morning, nearly every morning, when I wake up, I’ll take a little bit of time to do my morning ritual as it were. And that first piece of that is to put on some type of auditory and then visualize. And one of the noises I’ve put on most often is the sound of rain falling in a car. It’s funny because I went through a number of different rainfalls such as rain while walking, rain, thunderstorms, Irish rain, or the new noise really enjoys the sound kind of a babbling brook. And sometimes I’ll throw in some white noise as it’s kind of brain entrainment thing to just kind of stimulate my mind and make me think that I’m somewhere else. And so like I said, right now it’s raining a little bit not sure if you can hear it’s not raining too hard. It’s raining a little bit. And noises that I get to hear in the visualization is cars going once a while something fishy going on. I imagined that it could be any type of truck. But it sounds to me like it’s a trash truck early in the morning, picking up trash every once in a while. And it’s just it just helps me to set a mood, a space and a place where I’m driving. Right? And I’ll always be where am I driving to? Where Where am I coming from? What is going on? while I’m driving? It’s been shown really, you know, in, in spirituality, and in peak performance in a number of different spaces and places that if you are looking to achieve something, if you’ve got a goal, if you’ve got anything that you’re trying to accomplish is to have a good visual of that and not necessarily. Not necessarily. Even the how you got there. The good visual is how’s it gonna feel when it’s completed? What happens as soon as as soon as you have completed the thing? Or was the reaction? For some reason right now I’m thinking of gymnastics. You know, I’ve never been in generalists. But I’ve got to imagine that if you’re trying to visualize your routine and winning that routine. You don’t necessarily just walk through the motions. You imagine that the best routine comes with you sticking the landing. When they finish up, there’s this big flourish and you can tell that they just hands go up, flare out, and they stuck the landing. That means that the whole routine has gone so well. And they’re done. So imagine you trying to accomplish whatever it is you’re trying to accomplish. What is it going to feel like where are you going to be? What’s it gonna sound like? how’s it gonna feel

when you stick your landing and for me, it’s hopping in the car so I can headed home and I get to tell Somebody’s walking away. And I’m excited because maybe it was a fantastic presentation, maybe it was a great group session, maybe, you know, maybe I just closed a big deal to do whatever, you know. And so I imagine I imagined myself in the car, fresh rain falling and and the windshield wipers going back and forth. And I’ve got this moment where I can kind of rebel and, and how well everything is going. And it doesn’t even have to be a situation where it’s just mentioned, it’s feel like you’ve had a good day of work could be on my way to a good day of work. It’s been a great morning. And it’s just that moment where it’s raining. It’s kind of like, music, Gods keyboard or something. I don’t know what you would call it. But that’s, that’s my noise. So for you. What was it look like for you? When you stick your landing? What’s it sound like for you? stick the landing up just as I just left, the Brazilian jujitsu wondering instructors was asking this question is would you if you’re not familiar with Jiu Jitsu, the general objective, if you’re on the offensive is to submit somebody put up put somebody into submission that meaning that they are no longer struggling to fight against you. And if you’re on the defensive, and a jujitsu match, the objective is to not get submitted. And yes, because which which, which would you prefer? And your jujitsu match what you prefer to do the submission, or not get submitted? And, you know, I didn’t know really what the, for me the right answer is get the submission. Because you’re ideally just trying to end the fight. And, and in jujitsu, it’s also defensive art. So, you know, I thought there was, to me, that would have been the right answer. And I guess it was kind of a trick question. For me, and generally, I, I go for not getting submitted, you know, I go for, I go for protecting myself, I go for, if I see an opening to submit while I’m protecting myself, go for it. However, I tend to work on my defense. And not surprisingly, my defenses, it’s the best part of my game. So if I can make it through jujitsu match. Without getting submitted,

Unknown Speaker 8:07
then I feel pretty good.

Brandon Handley 8:08
I really do. I feel pretty confident. And I feel good about what’s just happened. Because generally, the person that I’m going up against is stronger, faster and younger than me. And so I feel pretty good about it overall. Now, if I get a submission, that’s fantastic. That’s, you know, it’s like the cherry, cherry on top. However, again, what’s so my visualization going into that is stay alive? Don’t get choked out, don’t get tapped out and defend well, and so similar to a person in

Unknown Speaker 8:50
gymnastics

Brandon Handley 8:52
sticking the landing so what is your sticking the landing with? Like, what’s your day going to look like? You can apply this in so many different places was what’s it going to need for you to feel like you’ve accomplished what you set out to accomplish? What’s that going to look like? What’s that going to feel like? And you know how Where else? There’s just so many different places for you to apply this I felt like I would share this though with you in the visualization aspect of it. Like I said, it was raining when I came out What have you got to do to so to displace your default settings to displace your regular way of thinking. And for me, it’s to put on those noises. What is this called? It’s just it’s an app called mind noises that I eventually purchased because it just had so many great noises and you can mix and match them put on single noise and you can put on Like I said, I can put on falling rain with you know, solfeggio tones going back report that are supposed to resonate with certain emotions and other things. And eventually, you know how it is if people tell you that that’s what they do, then yeah, that’s what they do. And you visualize that happening. And that takes you transport you transports me anyways, to a different place. So that I am able to works almost like an anchor, right, I’m able to as soon as I kind of hear those noises as soon as I initiate that practice, I am transported into another space area, place so and visualize sticking the landing. So I hope that’s helpful for you just thought that that was brought on a little bit by this morning is presenting Jiu Jitsu, as well as, you know, the visualization practice and something that you might be able to do. So that and the final piece, sorry, is that look, if you can see yourself doing it, that’s definitely possible. Right? If you can see yourself doing it, chances are it’s possible. And at least at the very least, if you see yourself doing it, you will take the steps to do it. Versus Of course, if you can’t see yourself doing Why would you Why would you even be wouldn’t, wouldn’t bother. So, again, good morning, good day. I hope that this is helpful for you. And that you can apply this somewhere and reach out to me let me know if this has been helpful. Brandon at spiritual dope.co or head on over to iTunes, leave a rating review and say something like man, spiritual doofus shit. It’s when I got my head and today I’m going to visualize

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Jeremy Todd shares all!

Always great to be able to chat with my good friend Jeremy Todd! Check out his new book “The Positive Side” as well as his latest FREE program to get you unstuck over at http://besthalfyear.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. I am on here today with my man, my man. Mr. The pauses. Mister, check out my book, Jeremy Todd Jeremy Todd is a motivational speaker. He is an influencer. He is a legend. Not only in his own mind, but in mine as well. I’m so excited to have Jeremy here. If you’ve been if you’ve been a longtime listener to me a and he followed me through three podcasting, another Jeremy’s kind of a regular, but you you’ll know that Jeremy was catching me I got to see like you were like the first. Right. The first and it’s funny. We look all the way back to 2017, where neither one of us knew what the hell to do. And here we are like earlier just before this podcast got started. Well, I got upgraded Mike bargraph equipment. Yeah. Right. But super excited to have you on. But I always like to start this off with. And I think you’ve been on one of these already. But I’ll ask again, you know, source speaks through us. Right. And there’s a message that can only be delivered through you. Today, right now to to a to somebody listening to this podcast, what is that message?

Jeremy Todd 1:22
Well, you know, I mean that several ways I go with this, but what you know why you were talking? It just really made me think about you know, when you say four years ago, when we first we first met, and there was so much insert uncertainty with my life here live, what we’re going to do, why are we doing this? Where’s that going? The biggest message for me, and it’s really coming through right now. And when we’re having this conversation is that, you know, we just never really gave up, we just kind of kept going and there wasn’t like, it was almost like we’re pulled through to time to basically this point. And I don’t know how to really put it in quantified in the words, but it’s almost like taking your hands off the steering wheel and allowing things that just happen to watch your life. And good things happen. You know, it’s like a, you know, a bad crypto reference. But I’m watching cryptocurrency recently in this going way, way up, it’s gone way, way down. But consistently, it’s going up. And that’s really how I felt my life is it’s been for the last three or four years, you haven’t the, you know, splitting up with my with the mother of my children having that move in a couple different times. So you can get these big downs, but also you got the big ups. But if I look back now, where I am today versus where I was four years ago, it’s a lot higher, it’s a lot. It’s a it’s a better place, even though I had these major drops in my life. It’s just weird how that goes. And you know, I talk about this all the time, and even on my show about really just just getting through it. It’s not about hey, I need to figure this out right now, I need to figure out what I’m gonna do the rest of my life right now I need to get through this shitty time right now. And I really don’t really have to get through anything right now. It’s just you’re meant to be in that point. Why? Who puts you there? I don’t know. But it’s part of the life that’s part of the journey. It is sometimes it’s good to be in those in those bad low points because it builds you up and makes you stronger, makes you harder and makes you you know, all around a better person learning from the tough experiences. But man, I get I guess I just you know, going on that random tangent right there. But I just I don’t know, if I’ve ever been happier in my entire life than I am right now. I feel more blessed than I’ve ever felt in my entire life. And maybe it’s because of, you know, some of the things that that have happened in my life recently, you know, but with writing the book, and I appreciate you mentioned that and getting some of the things off my chest with that book. It’s very, very freeing. And it’s, it’s also it’s been happening with actually who I truly am individually, like, like, this is who this is my weird quirkiness. This is who I am. In all these things. They’ve taken time and they’ve taken time, and they’ve got to this point, and who knows what’s gonna happen in the next three or four years from now, but I feel like I’m being pulled through this situation. By I don’t know, you know, I have been the universe the way it’s supposed to be. I don’t know the answer to that part of it. But I just really like the momentum. And I like the journey and it says it’s been amazing the last three or four years. So I know that really answered your question, but that’s really what I’m thinking about.

Brandon Handley 4:22
Trying to figure out this new new get new setup, right? I’m just trying to press the right buttons. It’s awesome, right? I love the you know, you’re saying you’re kind of pulled through this kind of time and space to get to where you are today. And it really reminds me of of how mine started, right. And my kind of journey started because somebody said that exact line to me, right? I was like oh man, just, you know, the drink and sure and wanting to party and wanting to be this person that I had been for so long this identity that I assumed just kind of fell away. Yeah. Right. And he’s like he goes you know, once you kind of know fall into the space you get

Jeremy Todd 5:02
what you while you’re messing with the banging down there. But this is another thing popped in my head too when I was when you were when you mentioned that I listened to a podcast just before I got on and I’m driving around town and, and it was a Jocko willing podcast and he had Dakota, Dakota Meyer on his navy seals and he’s telling me stories and one of the things he also mentioned was, you know how lucky he is to have a support group, and not a support group to where, you know, hey, I’m you know, I’m mad, and this is bullshit and have someone say, Yeah, you’re right. or not, maybe the support groups more like, you’re wrong, Jeremy, you’re full of shit, you know, you’re not right. And I’m like, Oh, yeah, well, maybe I need I need. I have people like that in my life. Like you like a like a Donnie title like Elise Archer, and I never had these people. You know, I’ve got friends in my life for a long, long time that have been lifelong friends. But what’s helped me tremendously is having these people that I can pull from, and talk to and be 100% vulnerable and honest with them, Hey, I suck at this. This is where I need to help that this is where, you know, this is what’s going through my mind right now, can you help, let’s talk about these things. But the biggest thing about that and having those relationships is actually being not only honest with the other people that you’re talking to you about being honest with yourself and checking the ego at the door and understanding it, the only way I’m going to really truly get out of the funk or truly get better is if I’m 100% authentic and 100% vulnerable with the person having the conversation with. And I’ve been very, very blessed over the last three or four years to have those people. And that’s made a huge difference in my life, maybe more than anything, is to fall on that support group. The people from all around the country, I mean, how you said you’re in Pennsylvania, and I’m in Indiana, and Danny’s in Florida, you know, he leases and you know, she’s in Georgia. I mean, we got people all over the country now in that’s made a big impact for for me and my life. And the most important thing about it, again, is that I’ve taken action towards that I haven’t just sat there and say, Oh, woe is me. I’m like, you know what, I’m gonna call these people, I’m gonna go reach out to them, and then tell them what I’m thinking. Because we can all sit in our worries and all around our doubts and our fears. And we can stay there forever. But until we actually reach out and say, You know what, I’m tired of this shit. This is not who I am. That’s not my authentic self. I need I need help. And actually take action, get the help. That’s what’s made the biggest impact for me in my life as well. It’s just the authenticity of who I truly am. And saying that, hey, I need help. I mean, that’s one of the most powerful words in the world is when you tell somebody that, hey, I need your help, you know?

Brandon Handley 7:35
No, you’re right. It’s a, well, I want to kind of call attention to this idea that and you had them on, right, you had a PR rush on the idea of the full lifters. Right? It’s not so much of getting this group around you have people that you’re not it was I think there’s a difference between like some people that you hang out with, and some people that support you, right, like, you’ve got the you’ve got this list of people that are supportive. And the I think they’re calling you on your shit, they let you they let you kind of step in it, right? They let you you’re like, Hey, this is what I’d like to go do. Yeah, if you’re having a conversation with Elise, if you’re having a conversation with Donnie, and you’re like, Hey, this is this is, this is what I’m gonna go do. They say, you know, they might give you a gut check, they might ask you a couple questions. But in the end, they’re gonna be like, well, if you feel like that’s what you need to do to make this progress for who you are, and go for it. How can I support that? Like, what can I do to do you need introductions to somebody? Do you need? Do you need a brand bass? manager? Do you need any of that stuff? Right? Like, how can I help you? What, what is what is what do I have, that can help you to become who it is that you’re looking to become? And I think that there’s a difference between those people who are supportive, those are the people that we’re talking about, versus people that you hang out with, because there’s people that you hang out with, or just hang out with, or just hang out with. And those people like, you know, if I if I’m, if I’m sharing a couple pieces out of your book, right, like, some people that you might just hang out with would be the couple of people that like, you know, back in the day to smoke some weed. Like, they’re just like, Hey, you know what, let’s this is this is what we’re doing today. Right? And then that’s it, but those aren’t the people that are going to be the ones that elevate you.

Jeremy Todd 9:28
Yeah, you know, it’s funny, I asked a question on my podcast the other day of pretty who I was talking to, I was talking to the founder of brand builder, or Yeah, not brand builders. Doesn’t matter. No, actually, that show will be out tomorrow. But I asked him, Do you still hang out with the people you grew up with? And you know, it’s interesting when you ask successful people that like that, it’s most of the time the answer is obviously is no. You know, and I don’t hate on these people. They’re their friends and they’ve, you’ve kind of developed who I was as a child which is made me who I am today. You know, I don’t, I don’t hold any grudges, or I’m not upset with them, it’s just over life and different experiences, you become different types of people. And then you begin following you know, the the old Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people you hang out with, you know, you start attracting different people with similar mindsets that, you know, I can’t have conversations like you and I are gonna have, like we’ve always had, with, you know, my buddies in the old neighborhood, you know, it’s just not gonna happen, because they just they don’t see that they’re not. You know, they’re, they’re not, I don’t want to hidden let’s say in the word they’re not let me sit for a better way to phrase that they just maybe have to just keep using the word not, but they haven’t experienced some of the things that I’ve experienced to be able to open their mind and allow the universe or your actual soul to be able to communicate one on one with that, with that, that energy and that power. And that really allows you to open up and that and pause or pause. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 11:03
that’s totally right. So what allows for something like that?

Jeremy Todd 11:05
Well, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, and I don’t want to get into too hardcore random stuff, but I think it’s with diet, I think it’s food, I think it’s how you, how you meditation, it’s really focused in on your mind, and like, understanding how powerful the mind really is. And I think when you you know, if you smoke cigarettes and drink seven days a week, and you’re doing all kinds of crazy drugs, or, you know, the lists are just eating terribly, I think these things block the connection with you and your inner soul and your inner being. The more cloudiness that isn’t, that is there. It’s just like, it’s almost like I see these people that are just going through life going through the motions, and they’re not really connected to that source energy and, and to be honest, I don’t know what that source energy is, either. I don’t. It’s hard for me to grasp my small mind around that. But I can feel that the energies when I walk into a room, I can feel that energy, a positive energy or a negative energy. And I say with my, my youngest daughter Moyo, my only daughter me, I think she’s extremely clairvoyant, I think she, she can feel energies better than anyone I’ve ever met my entire life, we could walk into a buildings, just but data just don’t the energy here, I’m like, Alright, let’s go, you know, to be able to be in touch with that power that is, within all of us, is something that is number one, because a lot people don’t understand it, don’t even know that it’s there. Which is, which is, which is a problem, I think, it’s it’s a problem with society and communication and, and growing as a as a one big, you know, as the population we all grow together. And I think that’s a problem that slows the evolution and the growth of a society in general. But, you know, when I, when I go back and talk about my daughter, and she can just, she can look at somebody and say, you know, I that person, I really liked that person’s energy. And

Brandon Handley 12:50
let me ask you this, right, like, and and did you feel maybe that it’s has something to do with you fostering that in your child and not saying no, to her, her her being able to pick that energy up? Sure. So and I guess I’ll take it a step further, is that is it that we all kind of have that innate connection, right? And instead of it being fostered in us, it was kind of like shunted away like, Hey, you know, what, you know, so I guess sounds like what you’re doing, again, is you’re, you’re fostering that in your in your daughter, and you’re allowing for her to explore these these gifts and this ability to not be fearful of connecting to we’ll call it source, we’ll call it like, anything like that, like her intuition. And saying, Yeah, you know, what is that? Tell me more versus you’re just being correct.

Jeremy Todd 13:48
And that’s the biggest thing you kind of hit the nail on the head with there is I don’t, you know, it’s only my kids know, I don’t tell them that that’s hardly really ever I tell them no, and I just ask more questions. But why do you want to do that? or Why? Or in the situation, my daughter? What does that feeling like? Like, somewhat? like random questions? Is it warm? Is it cold? What color is that energy? You know, and really let allowing her to her mind to really focus in on that and knowing that she’s in a safe place that, you know, we don’t she’s she can have those conversations, like you said, Well, I think, you know, a lot of society today that gets that gets beat down. That’s not something that’s really focused on I think it’s the most important thing to focus on, by far, but I think it gets blocked through, you know, maybe it’s, I don’t know, maybe it’s bad diet, maybe it’s too much technology, maybe it’s not being connected to the earth as much as I think people should be. There’s all kinds of things there. But you know, what it boils down to, it’s just when those conversations happen, I don’t I don’t tell her No, or that’s weird, or I don’t understand. I just asked questions. Wow, that’s amazing. Tell me more. How does it make you feel? What does that look like? You know, these look these random questions, and then she’ll just and she just goes on and on and on. On on her mat, you can just see it like, it’s really, really a little bizarre because it’s not that she’s, she’s not making it up. You know, you can tell when your kids are making something up. But she is so detailed, that she just, she just knows it. And she, it’s like she’s, it’s reality for her. It might be

Brandon Handley 15:24
real for everybody. what’s what’s on? Like, like I said most most is like, and we’re saying most of society’s like, she tries to shut that down, right? Or puts a fence up around that. What has given you the ability or the wherewithal desire to foster it versus just versus what the rest of society is doing?

Jeremy Todd 15:48
It’s good question. It’s, it’s not a single thing. It’s been many things. And we’ve talked about some of those ups and downs throughout my life. And you know, I’ve questioned, you know, you know, again, me being five foot 230 pounds soaking wet. Well, like what, you know, why am I? Why am I this height? Why am I this tall when I was, you know, I talked about in the book when I was sexually molested as a kid. Why did that happen? To me, it’s not, and I truly look at it, it’s not good. It’s not bad. It’s just an experience of my life that I’ve had to learn from becoming a minimalist was huge, not being attached to, you know, to physical items, not trying to compare myself to somebody else about their bigger house or big car. And because I just don’t really care, I really deep down, I don’t care. And if I really don’t care about any of that, societal, I try and check the ego as much as I possibly can. What will if you clear all those layers away, what it really boils down to is, hi, how can I learn from you? How can I get better? How can I be a better friend, a better parent, I just want to get better. And I want and I’m genuinely interested in people, like I’m genuinely interested in learning about experiences and what their thoughts are and totally non judgmental. Like, that’s the other thing. You know, I think in the society, we’re so it’s so built up to we’re fighting against each other instead of listening to each other. And that’s shared and celebrated this, this mob mentality, if you’re not with us, you’re against us. And that’s, that’s a major problem with society. And I think it’s, but it’s not easy to get to the point where I’m at either, because I’ve had these experiences throughout my life that have really kicked my egos ass and just say, you know, whoever, you’re not the coolest guy in the block, you know, you’re not the best looking guy in the block. But you know, what, what I feel like I do have is this just just curiosity about life, and curiosity and people of how do we connect on a different level, I will never judge you. I will never, I’ll never say anything hurtful to you. And if I do, it’s unintentional. But I just want to learn and I want to get better. And I want to know what’s after life. And I know want to know, I want to learn from different religions and what they believe and take all of this stuff together and just kind of live in the information. And that’s what I always say, I don’t know, what’s what’s, you know, what’s going to happen next. I don’t know what’s life after death. I just want to live in all the information and just experience.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Let me let me jump in. Right. So I think one of the one of the one of the things I’m challenged by maybe you can help me here is, you know, here’s where we are today, right? This is, that’s where you are today because of your experiences. How you know, if you had to talk to somebody where they are right now, you know, maybe yourself, you know, four years ago or five years ago? What’s that? What’s that conversation look like? And how is that different? Right? How can you impart some wisdom to somebody where they are now along the journey what would you say

Jeremy Todd 18:50
the biggest thing and the one of the one of the most important things that I’ve really worked on is my is listening. And and I know it sounds so basic and so you know just what he had, of course you’re gonna listen but before I was always listening to the person planning my response, and not even taking in and learning from the actual conversation because I would my ego was just so like, well I already know the answer to that I already know what’s going on I want to give you my opinion and not even fully hear the question So as I’ve in the last few years I’ve just really I’ve just more sat on the sidelines and just watched and listened and listened and then ask more questions. Because if I if I if I focus on me if I focus on what you know how its explained this a little better it’s it’s I’m not trying to win in any situation I’m trying to learn from the other person and and really experienced that their life and in just listen in like manner. How did they get to this point? How do what can they teach me how to how do I get better and then I’m, I’m really this The other thing too Which is, I think it’s important to I’m blown away with people’s stories. When people think their story is not important, it’s because you haven’t found the right person that’s actually listening to what, what you have to say, I think we are so tied into what we think society wants to hear, hear us say, we just tell people, whatever they want to hear instead of who we truly are as individuals. And I think when you start asking different, like different questions to people that they’ve never been asked before, it’s it’s amazing how people just start opening up and telling you, they’re all all these goals and dreams that they have that they’ve maybe never told anybody. And they feel so much better with the conversation, I feel so much better the conversation. But it all started with really, truly being interested in the other person. And checking the ego and just listening and being fascinated with their story. Because everyone has an amazing story. We’re just told and that our stories like everyone else’s, and it’s not, it’s completely different. And I love listening to people and love hearing their stories. And the more you listen, truly listen, you learn so much faster. And I’ve learned more about listening the last in my life in the last three or four years, I probably did my entire life. Because Yeah, it’s important.

Brandon Handley 21:19
The idea of Yeah, I heard it recently. And it was Bob Proctor. So my guy, right, like, turn them off a little bit, and you jump back in again, and you listen, you know, you hear with your ears, but you listen with your heart. Right. I thought that was pretty powerful line. And then, um, you know, outside of my story, which ones had the most like impact on you over the past couple years?

Jeremy Todd 21:51
repeat that, quote, repeat the question again, like, outside of what now,

Brandon Handley 21:54
outside of my story. Which one? Which one, which one you think like, over the past four years has really motivated you or had the greatest impact on you?

Jeremy Todd 22:06
You know, there’s been a lot of stories and a lot of people that have impacted me tremendously. And you know, it’s just so fun because some people push me because I’m selfish, a little jealous. Like I, I, I see my friends like, like, and again, it’s just it’s the ego talking again. But, you know, I see guys, like, you know, like Donnie Tuttle loved on me. You know, Donnie, and I were in a coaching company together and quit cold turkey. And he’s making enemies just making great money and changing lives. And it’s huge. And in what that does for me, and I want all of us to go to the bank together. I all want us to be successful all I want all of us to change our lives. But he motivates me. He is very humbling. He’s very open. His story is pretty powerful. I don’t want to get into like some of the other stuff that he that he struggled with, but but he begin those conversations that we have off the mic and that and outside that it makes us both better. It has really, really changed my life. You know, it’s funny, this something small recently happened to me last week, and I was I applied for a TED talk here in Fort Wayne. And I got turned down. So I’m, I was I think I’m more excited that I got turned down, then I got accepted. Because it gives me this, like, you know what, a few pals. You don’t say this, like this. That’s what I needed to prove to myself, but I’m on the right path. Because that if you can’t accept me in my own hometown, to speak a TED talk, because I got a TED talk. I think it’s on my vision board. And I want to get that done. But for them to turn me down. that inspires me as well. Because it’s just it’s, it’s, it’s almost like the University in here. Jeremy, I know you wouldn’t be on on do this sets off, but you’re not quite ready yet. And like, you know what, maybe I’m not a dog. I’m gonna keep fighting. I’m gonna keep doing I’m not gonna quit. That’s, that’s, you know, those two stories are completely different. But really that that that TEDx getting turned down from that made a really big impact on me recently. Because, you know, it’s just like, it’s almost like the universe politely saying, Jeremy, you’re not good enough. Still. Like, you know what? That’s cool, man. I’m not giving up yet.

Brandon Handley 24:26
Right? I would look at it maybe a little bit differently. Right. I would look at it maybe as in shit. At least they emailed me back. They know who I am. For sure. I would look at it as kind of like evidence of things to come. Right. Like they My name is already. You don’t know that. You don’t know that in two weeks, whoever they they’ve already accepted. falls out. And then then maybe I’ll check out this positive side guy. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. And Todd. And yeah, look, Danny’s story is just so great because it’s so So real, it’s genuine, right? There’s nothing fake about how he got to where he is. And there’s no smoke and mirrors. There’s any everything done for the right reasons. I just love it. Right.

Jeremy Todd 25:14
Yeah, you know, it’s one of those guys that I call a friend, you know, a true friend. And you know, you know, you are a true friend of mine. Dan is a true friend of mine. Lisa is a true friend of mine. I mean, I’ve got it’s just beautiful as all these people are so beautifully authentic. And in it for the right reasons. Like they, you know, we’re doing this because we love what we do. And we’re changing lives not fake. We’re not doing this to get become billionaires. I mean, there’s a lot of other ways we could do that. But

Brandon Handley 25:43
a lot faster. Yeah, for sure. Initially, I was right. Like, I wasn’t in it for the right reasons in the beginning, and but that’s all part of my journey. Right. And I love it. I love it. I love I love that that’s been part of the journey. You’ve mentioned the universe, and you’ve mentioned kind of like, you know, spirit and energy, you know, and it’s been maybe a year since we kind of talked last word, what’s your stance these days? Man? What do we got? We’ve got a grand architect is what is what is fear? And how’s it working through you and for you to you these days?

Jeremy Todd 26:17
You know, it’s, it’s, it’s very interesting asset. Because I think about it, I literally think about it every day. And it’s weird like it, you know, when I was born and raised Catholic, so, you know, sometimes when I felt I found comfort when going through my 20s and early 30s, of praying at night praying to, to a God that, that, you know, the white bearded guy. And you know, as that kind of evolved, and I kind of got away from all aspects of really, of any, any sort any, any kind of like a structure and religion completely gone out of that. I go back to, like, even like, like last week, two weeks ago, I thought I caught myself, like praying again, which is really weird. But it’s not praying to the same God. It’s praying to this all knowing power of energy, whatever that is, and I still don’t know what it is. I don’t there’s something there’s got to be something there. And I don’t know if it’s I don’t know, man. I why,

Brandon Handley 27:25
why Why? Why is there got to be something there, right? I mean,

Jeremy Todd 27:28
I don’t know. Yeah, you know, you know, I had a guy on there talking about a few weeks ago, and he’s got something retreats, the whole retreats. And you know, he specializes in suicide. And I asked him and I asked him, his Is there life after death? Is there a god? And he said, unequivocally 100% Yes. And as you’d go through these different journeys of these mind altering experiences, you see that how much more is actually out there and we live you know, in this one dimension of of whatever my my quote unquote reality is, however, when you take mind altering drugs, you realize that there are so much more going on within the brain within this universe within this realm. Again, it goes back to it’s just so gigantic, like how do I even comprehend that and I you know, not to go on Tinder, but even like space and time continuance, you know, there’s, there’s theories of you know, every black hole has a million other galaxies and universes with a million other black holes in them that continues to go on forever and ever infinity. And then you know, the multi universe thing where exactly what we’re doing right now is happening on another planet. A billion trillion miles away on some random planet that’s very close to ours. But maybe it’s my podcast called the spiritual spiritual open near the positive side guy. Yeah, yeah, but there’s just there’s just all these things that I think about and I’m like, Well, is there one all mighty power being that is running all of this? The universe is from billions and billions of galaxies away?

Brandon Handley 29:02
I can’t read something outside Do you think it’s something outside of you?

Jeremy Todd 29:07
I don’t know. Maybe not. Maybe Maybe that maybe that maybe that is the maybe that is one of those but I I just when I look at how massive everything is and with the universities and space and galaxies like how can there be one all power being for everything? Is this the only unit is this the only I guess universe that we are is there’s your multi universes is there different things going I don’t I can’t grasp my I can’t grasp that concept. So I don’t and then that’s why I live in this like study of just listening to things feed trusting my gut when things are going well. I feel like there’s like that little energy that is above me of powerful me but like you said, maybe it is me itself. Maybe I am that it Eternal energy I just had, it’s just a lot to think about. And I don’t try and even claim that I know what the hell’s going on. I just, but I listened to everybody and understand that I’m not smart enough, I don’t know enough to be able to make that decision to decipher that set makes any sense at all. It’s so big to you. It’s

Brandon Handley 30:22
fair, it is big. And it is a lot. I mean, look, that’s the that’s the gist of this podcast, right? How do you? How do you kind of once you once you come in contact with that source, right, you felt that you like, and it’s like now now that you’re here, right? You know, had Krista on the podcast, and her podcast title was I’m awake. So now what? Right? I’m like, God, what a perfect podcast name. But yeah, so you’re awake. Now? What? How do you incorporate this newfound levels spirituality? Or re connected with your spirituality and your like? Because I mean, conversation earlier, you’re talking about like, you don’t need anything, you don’t need XYZ, you’re detached from the necessary, you know, all these things. Right? Well, what’s the keep you Jeremy from just, you know, rolling out and coming a monk at this point, right?

Jeremy Todd 31:17
Well, yeah. You know, I don’t know, I know what you were talking about that to what I was kind of thinking about is, you know, it’s interesting, when when I think about this, this energy or whatever, this, this higher power sources, it’s interesting, because it’s not always there all the time. So, you know, I’ll go through days where I’m just going through the motions, it’s normal day, and I’m just a normal person living through let me ask

Brandon Handley 31:39
you this, I’m gonna I’m gonna jump in. Right. Yeah. Is it? Is it that it’s not always there? Or is that you’re not always aware of it?

Jeremy Todd 31:47
I’m not always aware of it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
100%? Because I would have to say, I mean, this is this has been my experience, right? I would have to say that it’s always there. It’s, it’s kind of up to us to tune into it. Right. It’s like we’re driving around, you’re driving around. You turned into a podcast earlier. Yeah. You turned into you know, Satan, same thing. You’re like, you know, what happens if I tuned in and soars right now? What source? What source up to?

Jeremy Todd 32:08
Yeah, exactly. And that’s what’s it’s just very interesting, because, and I agree with you, the source is always there. However, it’s it’s am I tuned in Am I not tuned in and, you know, it’s, it’s like the typical person, a lot of typical, but, you know, when times are really, really good, you’re like, man, Hey, thank you source energy, this is all good. When times are really really shitty, you’re like, Oh, my God, I need your help. And then every once in a while, in the middle, it’s like, you know, I’m just gonna check in here and there. But that’s one thing I’d like to work on is just as really be, you know, just get better just can be more present, be more in tune with the with that energy and understand that it’s always there. Things are happening. It’s just, you know, hey, I’m just an average Joe just trying to get through it and working my way through this complicated mental test that I always think about. And I wouldn’t have it any other way. I mean, I really want it because I just find these conversations fascinating. And that just allows you to be needed to remind yourself and think bigger and think. And just really think I mean, that’s what I really enjoy

Brandon Handley 33:08
about that. Right? Let’s talk about that for a second. Because you are having an impact, right, regardless of whether or not you feel like you’re driving it through, you know, spirituality or some other way, for the, for the purpose of this podcast, you are driving it spirituality, you know, through a spiritual sense, you know, what kind of impact or you feel like you’re having out there in the world today?

Jeremy Todd 33:30
You know, that’s, it’s a great question, because it allows it, you know, the first answer is, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s an ego, like, you know, I know, I’m making a big impact out there, you know, and you got to give yourself permission to say that you are making a big difference. And it’s okay. You know, I mean, it’s okay to say that, and I’ve worked really, really hard on that. Because, you know, you and I had a conversation about two years ago, that made a big impact on my life. And this is very similar what we’re talking about here and that question, because, you know, we talked about how I use, I use when I want to go to Chipotle, I’ve been there forever. And I always I always buy the person behind me launch. And that when I run out before they could actually get now acknowledge that, you know, bottom lunch, because I wasn’t accepting that, that time of gratitude. Like it’s okay. To have someone thank you for that. You know, and so when you ask a question like that, it just makes me go right back to that question that you asked, you asked me. So that’s made a huge impact on my life. And I’ve actually tried to share that story about 1000 times because it’s, it’s so right, man, it’s so right. So if I go back to the question in my what what kind of impact my making I’m thinking I truly make? I think I’m making a gigantic impact. And it is it’s it’s not numbers wise, you know, and I’m not trying to say I’m making a billions and billions of people changing all their lives, but the lives that I’m changing are gigantic. I had, you know, I get emails, you know, once twice a week that just say, you know, Jeremy I found your podcast, I tried to commit suicide three weeks ago, and I didn’t know what I was gonna do I, luckily, I didn’t go, I didn’t succeed at doing that. And then I stumbled across your podcast, then how it’s made such a big impact in my life in such a short amount of time. So when you talk about making an impact with that person, that that one person’s life, and I know, there’s more out there, and you know, I’ve got stories and emails, which I still save, because it makes it makes me feel good. But that one person? I mean, is that person going to have a, you know, another, it was younger person, I think, mid 20s? Maybe that

Brandon Handley 35:34
person worth it? That’s worth it. All right. So it’s all worth it, though. It’s funny, because he says, you know, you don’t feel like you’re touching maybe billions or millions. But if you think about it, right, throughout the course of at least four years now, you know, with each person that you that listens, you know, throughout the past, you know, of course of four years, how many people have they talked to and interacted with and that network kind of the year that the multiplier effect over over time? I’ll bet you by now, you know, you’ve you’ve impacted at least a billion.

Jeremy Todd 36:09
Yeah, yeah. And that’s a good point, too. Because you know, it You never know, the whole butterfly effect and how it’s affecting people down the down the road. And like, you’ve said, that young lady reached out to me, man, I mean, who’s to say she has a, you know, a beautiful family has a couple of kids after that, and then changed her life? And has these kids like, what changed the world? You know, for sure.

Brandon Handley 36:26
You just never know, the change in the world. Right? Like, I mean, yeah, no, you don’t know. So you know, if we’re, if we’re talking about somebody or something, and I got to imagine that, at a certain point, you kind of you were pulled through, like your insides, right for gut feeling to do your podcast, right? You were pulled to you know, you’re like, I gotta get on the mic. Yeah, right. Um, what do you think is part of that? What drove that?

Jeremy Todd 36:54
It was really the I mean, it was the the opportunity to make an impact. I just, I’m a firm believer that we all have this message, we all have this message in, I have been blessed with the gift of gab, to tell my stories, and be 100% authentic, to allow people that have going through the same things that have gone through the same things to say, hey, it’s okay that I went through these things. And you know, I talked about it one on one. I’m not trying to do a cheap blog, but in the book, I talk about, you know, me when I was a younger, yeah, that’s right. Getting getting molested from a friend, you know, and there are so many people that this has probably happened to that, that have lived with this. Now, when I put the book out, and I had even another family member reached out and said, this is completely different situation. But she said she went to the same exact thing. I have been blessed with the gift of gab, and I’ve been blessed with the confidence and the, I don’t know, if you want to call it arrogance than to say that I don’t, I just don’t give a shit what anybody else thinks about me. I truly don’t I truly don’t give a shit. If that’s true, and I know this ability, that God higher being, whatever you want to say, has given me this opportunity, if I don’t take advantage of it, what impact what negative impact would that it made on the world and the lives that I should have changed that never did? You know, it’s like the where’s the most successful place in the world, it’s, you know, the the cemetery because we all we die with these ideas in our in our mind and never put them out there. And I wasn’t going to allow that to happen. The podcast started out originally just you know, I knew that this message would need to get out. But over time, like everything is chatting a little bit more authentic, a little bit more real and the lives that has changed and are getting bigger and making a bigger impact. And but it’s I was given a gift and and i’m using the gift to share the message man and you know, I friends, I’m sure you have said the same thing that you’ve had people tell you what are you doing? You know, why would you do that? This is stupid doesn’t make any sense? Are you making any money? That was?

Brandon Handley 39:05
Absolutely that those are a couple of the next questions. Right. So you know that the next question really comes from you know, you’ve got these naysayers, right? You’ve got these people that are doing the Kukui crap, right? The the people that are you know, you’re you’re in there and they’re trying to pull you back down. But you move move ahead. Anyways, there has to be a little bit of fear and trepidation and that you want to talk about getting through that.

Jeremy Todd 39:33
I had a lot of fear. I was, you know, a lot of it was just anger. It was, you know, it showed me that and this was partially mostly my fault as well that people didn’t really know who I was. people’s opinion and thoughts of me was not reality of actually who I truly was as an individual because I I played to society. You know, I was like, everyone Yes, I did. You know, I had the nice cars, I had the big house, I did all the, you know, I would partying all the time with all these random people that you look back and they’re still doing it. And that’s, um, but that was never me. That was never who I truly was. So, and I, you know, I don’t want to say use the word blame, because that’s that’s saying that there’s a negative connotation to that, but it was my fault that I wasn’t really being who I actually was.

Brandon Handley 40:24
You were you. You were, was it true, then you maybe had a little bit of victim mentality?

Jeremy Todd 40:32
Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, if you go there with with, with my height, and you know, some of the personal stuff I went through 100% Yeah. 100% and,

Brandon Handley 40:40
and just just so what is victim mentality, then? What’s that mean?

Jeremy Todd 40:44
Well, for me, it was like, it was why I’ve been screwed, because I’m the short guy. So I’m gonna overcompensate and try and try and prove to other people that I’m, I’m just as cool as you are, quote, unquote, cool as you are, even though I’m five, two, and, you know, I’ve got a, you know, a bonus shoe as well. And I’ve got all these other issues. But, you know, it was almost like I was I had to prove to others and not prove to myself that I was worthy. And that that was a cyst or something, you know, I probably still struggle they can relate to it just said that out loud. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now that I just said that out loud that I, I tried to prove to others who I was, instead of proving to myself who I actually was, you know, and I think when I accepted that, and really, man, hey, I’m, I’m 40. I’ll be 43 here a couple months. I probably haven’t accepted that. And so I was probably 3849. You know, but that’s my journey. You know, it’s that’s how long it took me. It’s not right, wrong or indifferent. But that’s how long it’s taking me to get to this point now in my life that I just, I’m happy with who I am.

Brandon Handley 41:47
I gotta wonder sometimes if that’s just not the natural evolution, you know, that’s when it’s supposed to happen. Yeah, it’s as I was listening to something the other day, and I forget exactly what it was. But like, you know, you can’t rush that kind of thing. Right? You can’t force it. Yeah. Right. And, and you can’t time it, but you can get pretty close to the time. Yeah. So then the, give me a spiritual dope, right? So give me an idea of what’s a hit of like, kind of spiritual dope for you.

Jeremy Todd 42:21
What is a hit for spiritual dope from

Brandon Handley 42:24
so you know, spiritual dope is like, you know, just when you’re feeling connected to source, right, so what’s one of your hits?

Jeremy Todd 42:30
By far, this is the one that most I love this time of year. I mean, yeah, this time of year, and reason being is when I can walk outside, and I can walk their feet barefoot in my backyard. And I can be 100% connected to what would actually connected to nothing, you know, but connected to myself, and then the planet and the birds and the bees and the flowers in the wind. And that, that, that, you know, you get euphoric. I mean, I get chills just thinking about it. Because that’s, that’s what life really is. That’s like, that’s like the basis of, of reality of life. And when you walk back into the house, or walk back, get back into the car, it’s like, you’re right back into society, and you’re like, it’s just a different world. You know, years ago, when I was in California, were the greatest things I did. And I’ll never forget this as I watched the sunset, for 30 straight days in California. And I would go out on this little bench and there was, you know, the sunset was set over this, this like little valley. And, you know, I’d always look at all the different colors and all that, and just how beautiful it was. And I would sit there meditate, or just take deep breaths in breaths out and be present in that time. That’s when you know, like, spiritual dope, that’s about the biggest hit of spiritual nobody could possibly have is because that’s, that’s when you know, things are bigger than you. And, and I just feel so much better. I feel like I just have so much more energy and so much more meaning to live. And this is why I’m here and I need to enjoy this. And so the springtime and you get to the winter of gray and everything like that. It’s terrible to the winter, and even today, we’re a couple inches of snow, which is terrible in April. But next week 70 it’ll be 70 degrees on Monday, and I take that time like what I said outside and just listen to the birds and the wind and just be at peace and it’s the best thing in the world for me.

Brandon Handley 44:23
I love it man connecting with nature,

Jeremy Todd 44:24
right? Absolutely, the most important thing I can do.

Brandon Handley 44:27
So something’s gonna happen. This didn’t happen today. But I’m gonna do a little bit of conversion on this podcast. I’m gonna shorten it a little bit. And I’m gonna turn it into a little bit more of kind of like a spiritual speed dating Jeremy like, you know, somebody who’s kind of speed dating Jeremy Todd today listening to podcast and they’re like, Am I spiritually attracted to Jeremy Todd, right. So I think I’m gonna ask you like one or two like these kind of random questions that are it’s actually 20 questions that came up and like, talking to, you know, some of the top 100 spiritual people, right can, you know, let’s take one segment of the easier ones? Um, what is wisdom? And how do we gain it?

Jeremy Todd 45:10
What is wisdom? And how do we get it? You know, I think, for me, wisdom is it’s the it’s the tough times, but it’s not the tough times. It’s how you react to the tough times. Because I, I, you know, it’s kind of like the deal failure question that I asked on my on my show as well. But wisdom has. I’ve been through so many tough times, you know, so I look back. And now when tough times happen, I reflect back on how I react in that situation. And I’m like, Well, you know, I learned so much from that situation that I’m not going to react is one of the strongest things I do is when there’s turmoil, and when there’s aggression and arguing, and I am the the calmest guy in the room. I just sit there and I’m patient. Because I’ve learned that when you when you the first reaction you have in a situation like that is usually the wrong one is coming from a place of where Wait, wait, wait, wait, the

Brandon Handley 46:02
first reaction is not the best one.

Jeremy Todd 46:04
Yeah, correct. Yeah, for me, it’s 100%. For me, it’s not. And but but that takes that’s that takes time. That takes wisdom because I’ve been down that road where I’ve made these decisions, where it’s just a snap decision. Like, man, I shouldn’t have said that. I’ve, I’ve learned how to sit back and relax. How’d you how’d you learn to cultivate that? It was really through breathing. And that’s been the biggest thing for me. And you know, when when, when you’re in that situation, you feel like time’s going by a million miles an hour, I’ve learned to just kind of sit back, take two or three deep breaths. And it just allows your brain to reset and what’s kind of wild, whatever, which I love is,

Brandon Handley 46:41
is there any kind of just, I mean, is there any kind of certain breath that that is right? Like, I mean, can you illustrate that for somebody that might be looking to figure it out, for me,

Jeremy Todd 46:49
it’s easy, it’s just through the nose, I mean, because there’s so many other pathways through the nose that it allows your brain to to absorb the oxygen a little bit different than it is to your mouth, and through your lungs. So it’s very, very slow. And then I always pause, send them out through the mouth. And then it’s a shorter breath as well through the nose. And it just allows you to gain composure. And and what’s been amazing about that, too, is that allows the other person that has been super aggressive, almost kind of pause. And then you can almost see gears start changing with other people. It’s, it’s beautiful to see. But I do that with my kids. I do that with, you know, relatives, to get an argument with, I’m just, I’m not calm, cool. Like the guy just I just don’t get upset anymore. I don’t you won’t catch me raising my voice you won’t catch me yelling at anybody. Because I just sit back, relax, take that deep breath and then ask questions.

Brandon Handley 47:46
I love it. What, um, what are you up to man? What’s next? What’s up? So, you know, where should people kind of go and connect with Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 47:54
Well, you know, I’m really focused on my YouTube channel. I’ve got 175 people there. And I put a lot of videos up there, I put all the podcasts, put the money motivation on there, that’s super important. Instagram has been great for me as well. And, you know, the biggest thing for me is I’ve signed there’s been a few people that have come on to the, to the coaching program recently. And, you know, it’s interesting, and I always tell the clients that come on, hey, this is all mindset coaching. And I know there’s all kinds of different labels for coaching and that’s something I always struggle with like, Am I a sales coach, I’m am I you know, you know, they’re all the other cliche words for coaching and then some, I think it waters it down a lot but I think as overtime that when you listen to the podcast and you know how focus I’m mind setting in gaining this knowledge that people have started reaching really reaching out to me working on one on one with me, and it’s been a salad changed my life, but to change other people’s lives as well in you know, down the future, I just decided to work with more people. That’s always fun. So you can always find me on YouTube and Instagram and you know, LinkedIn and all the other places. But I think one on one is probably the best, you know, shoot, you know, shoot me an email Jeremy at Jeremy Todd calm and you’ve got questions. Hopefully I got the answers.

Brandon Handley 49:08
And we’re new Where can I find your podcast?

Jeremy Todd 49:11
I’m everywhere. You know, iTunes, Stitcher, Pandora is but actually been great. I’ve been I’ve had five or six people in the last few weeks, reach out to me and say, I found your podcast on Pandora. So it’s just search and Jeremy, you’ll be able to find me really, really quickly. Also on on iTunes, you can find me quickly there. But also, you know, keep in mind on my Facebook page, I put all the videos up there. You’ll be up there here in about a week or so is to be great. And then on YouTube, but all the interviews on YouTube as well. So some people you know, it’s depends how you take in things that are your audio and will listen to you what are you going to actually watch it? There’s several different ways to catch the podcast as well now, but it’s going better now than it’s ever been. And I’m just excited about the future.

Brandon Handley 49:51
I think I think that’s fantastic. I think what you’re what you’re illustrating is is persistence and passion in action. Right? You know, you’ve decided to, to, to, to continue with this thing. And what I love is that you’ve continued it throughout the quote unquote bad times. Right? Yeah, the tough times. And they say that that’s kind of where the character shows up the character, the character of a man, or a person doesn’t show up in as much in the good times as it does the bad times 100%. So I appreciate that you’ve been able to maintain the podcast, continue to look for the positive elements. And from my from my perspective, positive doesn’t mean like, Hey, this is all sunshine and roses. Positive means how do we make progress from this point that we’re at today? Right. So I appreciate you leading the way I appreciate your friendship overall, all these years and not just being able to have these conversations and I’m really proud of you but for getting your book out the positive side, how I overcame bullying, bankruptcy and a bad attitude. My true identity. Brother, thanks so much for being nice. I appreciate you, brother.

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Join in the conversation as we host Elyse Archer of She Sells this week on Spiritual Dope.

Connect with Elyse over at: https://elysearcher.com/

Also, Elyse, mentioned the book The Diamond Cutter, check it out below:

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. The voice of a generation as we know, Mays was self self indulge every once in a while and I’m on with a quite somebody quite special Elise Archer. And I’m just gonna, I’m gonna let her do the bio for herself in a second here. But before I do that, like Elise is the reason I do a podcast. Right? Before I met Elise, I’d never listened to a podcast, or I was like, fuck podcasts. Like, that’s not for me. And when I when I met Elise, Alicia, we’re doing your podcast with Greg and, Mark. Good. Morning. Yeah. And, you know, and then you know, we’re connecting at some of the networking events. And then I eventually hired you as my coach. And then when we got through the coach, it was for sales coaching, we got midway through the coaching. And I was like, This is more like, I’m getting life coach than sales coach. And and it’s okay, because it’s transferable, but like, as like, Well, you know, what, at least what we’ve been working on, like, it’s been the sales, but I really want to do this, like podcasts, and I was fully expecting you to be like, eyes on the prize brand and focus on what you said you were gonna focus on and you got it. And instead of doing that, instead of doing that, you’re like, well, how can I help you? Right, and you connect them with some other people. And that moment that that was like a life changing moment for me. So thank you for that. And I’m gonna let you do your own little brief intro. Like Elise, what do you all about? And share a little bit of that? And then we’ll get it going.

Elyse Archer 1:36
Oh, my gosh, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s so cool, just to see what you’ve created in a short amount of time and to see the evolution of it as well. So yeah, thank you so much. I was just thinking before cutting on his podcast, this is so much fun for me, because I do most of the podcast interviews I do or straight business sales, personal branding. And so this is pushing my limits, because this is actually the stuff I care about, like this is, this is the real, I feel like everything I do in the sales and business world is kind of the Trojan horse to try to like, talk to people about spirituality and help them just develop and grow personally. So this is so much fun. Okay, so with that about me, I’m a new mom. So I’ve got a little boy, he’s six months old. And that’s so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it’s the best. I love it. I didn’t know how I was gonna feel elevated. I

Unknown Speaker 2:24
know.

Elyse Archer 2:26
My gosh, No, I know. And he’s kind of he’s past that, like the blob stage now. So he’s doing things which was, but especially for my husband, Jason, I think it’s more fun for him now that he can interact. And, yeah, I’m a business owner. So I do a couple different things. I’m a founding team member of a company called brandbuilders group or a personal brand, strategy firm. And then I also recently launched another brand that I’m running called T cells. And it’s a it’s basically sales, training and mentoring for women who want to break through six figures and learn to sell in a way that feels really authentic to them. And we can, you know, take this conversation wherever you want it to go. But that’s a lot of my background is coming from corporate sales and seeing, you know, sales and business strategies celebrated that, frankly, made me feel like crud when I implemented them, because they either kind of blurred the lines of integrity, or were all about Push, push, push, hustle, and I did it, I did what I was taught, and I financially, I did pretty well. But it was really, really detrimental to not just my mental health, my physical health too. And so a lot of my own journey has been about I would say, reconnecting with myself, like how I’m actually wired, how I was innately designed and learning to trust myself, trust my instincts, trust my body, trust my intuition. And, and I’m really lit up now about helping everyone do that. But specifically, I my brand really is catering to women, because I think so much of what we’re taught, just growing up is like, we, you know, our bodies look wrong, or they’re not the way they should be, or they’re for other people’s pleasure. And it’s just, it’s really disempowering. And so, I’m so passionate about helping myself reconnect with my power and then helping other women reconnect with their power as well. So that’s, that’s a little sliver of what I’m all about.

Brandon Handley 4:15
Just a tidbit.

Unknown Speaker 4:16
Yeah. Just a little bit.

Brandon Handley 4:18
I love it. I love it, you know. And again, you know, when we connected, it was just, I think it was a, it was just an interesting journey. You You and I are connection, right? And just kind of how that how that all? We’ll call it manifested. And let’s start off with the first question that so we have all day to talk. So usually like to start us off with, you talked about connecting with your power always align it with like source, right? So the idea is that source speaks through us to speak to somebody else, right, you kind of get this divine inspiration to share something with somebody else. So the deal is there’s somebody listening to this podcast today that needs you to kind of ignite them to connect them to their power through a message. And what does that message to that person today? At least?

Elyse Archer 5:08
I love that question. I mean, the biggest thing that shows up for me is to trust yourself. That’s like I said, that’s so much of what I feel inspired to share with this brand. And like I mentioned before, a lot of my journey, especially in my teens, and 20s, were, it was it was not trusting myself, and whether that was not not being proud of my body. And I struggled with an eating disorder for 17 years, or feeling like something was just off with, like a client situation or something I was being told to do at work. All the way to, you know, when we got pregnant for the first time, a couple years ago, I went into sheer panic, that I was like, I just, I felt like I was going to lose the pregnancy. And I went into sheer panic about it. Sure enough, we miscarried. And I learned in that moment, I didn’t trust my body. And it’s been so interesting, this journey of learning to I think a lot of times we have to like kind of be brought to our knees to be able to be open to whatever that that message is that we’re meant to receive, and then carry forth into the world for other people. And that was it for me. But then even talking with my mom about it, a lot of her own experience, too, was she didn’t trust her body. And I think a lot of this stuff goes back generationally. So you know that, whatever that thing is that you feel like you want to do, but you can’t do or you have this intuition to do something or you’re like that logically doesn’t make sense. If I could encourage someone to listen to it, and trust that it doesn’t have to make sense for anyone other than you and to kind of stop looking outside of yourself. Even I promise, I’ll be quiet in a second. So you can respond or ask your next question. But I think about the coach I’m working with right now like this was I just did a pretty big financial investment to work with a new coach. And I knew that it was going to trigger all of my scarcity mindset that I was part of me was still clinging on to I knew it. And sure enough, a couple of weeks in it did. And I knew in my core, my intuition this whole time that it was the right move. But logically, it would not be anything that my dad would have told me to do, it would have been anything that a lot of even business mentors, who I look up to would tell me to do and I was on a call with her a couple weeks ago, and I said, I found myself going into panic about making the wrong decision. She was like, when do you find yourself going into panic about that. And I said, usually I’m reading, it’s when I’m reading like a business book, or I’m listening to financial management training from somebody else. And she was like, stop it, cut it off for the next three weeks, no consumption of any of that stuff. And I cut it off, and I feel so at peace. So it’s not that we want to not learn and educate ourselves and challenge our thinking. But I think at the end of the day, you know, your best path for you. And you have to trust that everything that you’re doing and when you act on those instincts, it’s always unfolding for the greater good and for your greater good. So sometimes just putting those blinders on and trusting that you know, what you need to do, is the most powerful thing you can do. So that would be my message.

Brandon Handley 8:14
After keeping it short.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
I’m gonna be all day

Brandon Handley 8:20
I kid I kid I love it. I love it all like and one of the parts where you brought it to know you had to kind of come to your knees right to just kind of accept your your intuition piece for a lot of people would you consider that? You? d a fearful, dark night of the soul for you? Would you consider that a moment of a or maybe like even a dark night of the soul? Whatever, right? And then and then, you know, there’s the idea I love I love what you’re saying there with with your coach, because I bet you it’s almost like it’s almost like a deprivation for you knowing how much you consume to improve or be better or find another technique or whatever, right? Like Hmm, I have to cut all that off. Right like so you probably feel a little bit like a junkie having to withdraw from that at least look and I know this from my own experience, right? I’m like, I’m like What do you mean? Don’t Don’t do it all like right now.

Elyse Archer 9:16
So it was in that did one thing I’ll just add to that is like, she really kind of pushed me with that cuz she was I was like, but I love learning and learning is good. And I love reading. She was like, that’s your comfort zone. She said, study yourself for three weeks. Just study yourself. Whoa, this is so uncomfortable. But that’s right. That’s what we need.

Brandon Handley 9:33
Well, that’s tough, too. Right. So jumping in there and studying yourself. And what I’ll throw in there though, too, is like, so it’s very, I’m still going through this book again. Right? Like, are you ready to succeed? I can’t remember if I saw I might have sent you one too. I can’t recall if I did. I think I sent you have a kid’s book that isn’t yours. Yeah, I

Elyse Archer 9:50
don’t I’m not familiar with this book. So

Brandon Handley 9:52
this is Sreekumar Rao. This is actually by way of Elise Archer at some point. It was back in the day when we were doing the coaching There was a guy that I looked up Sreekumar Rao on like, you know, you are hardwired for happiness, right? And turned out like, you almost cried, watching his little story or whatever. And I was like, Alright, well, I gotta get his book, got his book, yada yada went through it. But one of the pieces in here it’s just really talks about there’s two pieces in here that you’re saying that resonate with me. And one is like, talking about putting all that effort in, right? Like I gotta do I gotta do I got consumed content consume content, you were finding like each time you like power, something that didn’t correlate with how you were feeling or doing it was like, it was like, striking the wrong chord. Right? Quite literally. It’s like, you’re like that is that is out of that is that’s out of tune with who I am. Oh, my God, I need to make an adjustment because this person, you wrote this book, he’s an authority. Right? He

Unknown Speaker 10:48
knows. Oh, my gosh, I

Brandon Handley 10:50
shouldn’t Holy shit. Did I do the wrong thing? Right. So that that’s one piece, right? is to not let the wrong thought in your head. Right? It’s better. It’s like better like like literally cut yourself like with a razor. He says in this book, this came from like a Swami. Right? It’s better to cut yourself like a razor than to let the wrong thought into your head. Hmm. Right. which I know sounds to me. Like, you know, that’s that’s kind of what was happening to you. Like, you know, you’re you’re on your path. But you’re like, you like this guy’s awesome. I love 98% of what he does. But this piece right here is just like a BB in my mind, right? breaking all my shit. And thank you so much. Right? And then and then the other piece is like, we’re trying to do it so fast. Right? We’re trying to we’re trying to do is we want it so bad. We’re trying to do it so fast. There’s another story in this book where he talks about the idea of, you know, if you try to do it so fast, and with so much energy, it’s actually gonna take twice as long. So it sounds like your coach sounds really similar to what your coach is saying is they stop taking all this like outside influence and jam in all this into your cranium. Study yourself, trust yourself. And that’s what you’re saying to is like, kind of trust yourself and believe in yourself and kind of tune out all the other shit.

Elyse Archer 12:01
Yeah, well, that’s so interesting what you said about if you try to like, push and force it into it so fast, it’ll take twice as long. It’s interesting. I hadn’t thought about it like that. But because it’s counterintuitive. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. Because you’re kind of going up river versus letting yourself flow and stuff, right?

Brandon Handley 12:18
Yeah. here’s, here’s how, like, I’ve visualized it more recently. And this is like, this year, right? Imagine, like, you feel like you’re literally putting all the thought energy or whatever things, right? If we’re putting all this energy into this place, right? Then nothing can get in. So if we create space for something to come in, right, if we back up for a second, and let it come to us, then it comes to us, right? Because otherwise we’re blocking it. We’re like, I’ve got to put everything into this spiritual energy, right? Like, I’ve got to put all of my, you know, essence energy into this thing. And I want it so bad. If it doesn’t, we’ve got all these things caught up with it. And instead of like, I do really want it I want it really bad, but like, I want it and kind of like, the way I like flowers and, you know, gardens and stuff where if I go and I plan it, you know, there’s that whole other thing to where, like, you know, if you plant something you don’t keep pulling it up, right? And check into the roots and be like, you plan it. Come back up. Yes, it does what it’s supposed to do. Yeah, it’ll do anyways. And those are some thoughts that are like, you know, coming on mine is I’m hearing your story, right? I’m hearing like your coaching unfold. So thanks for letting me ramble on

Elyse Archer 13:26
I love this. This is no I feel like I’m getting a good like a spiritual lesson from you. And this this is awesome

Brandon Handley 13:31
was so that was so here’s the other thing, right? Like Elise guys is I went through like my quote unquote, like a call, quote, unquote, because nobody can like point a finger and say, Hey, that was an awakening experience. But remember, if you don’t remember that time, I called you up. I

Unknown Speaker 13:43
was like, Oh, yes,

Brandon Handley 13:44
I went through some shit. I don’t know what it is. And it’s like an awakening experience. So Lisa’s been again, guys that’s, you know, just want to share our relationship with the people that are listening, right, and how this kind of all came together. You came to me as like a sales coach. But what ends up happening was all this inner work that I hadn’t done before for personal growth, and it manifested into culminated into like kind of an awakening experience. Right. And from there, we still maintained and again, that was another thing where you were like, Well tell me more about that, like, because you’re just as excited as I was for that, too. So I think that that’s says a lot about kind of who you are and what you accept in your life. So I do want to hear like, you know, how you talked about helping people find themselves spiritually through your own process. And I’d like to hear how you’re doing that. Because what happened with me might not have been intentional. And and, you know, how do you feel like you’re doing it intentionally right now?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Oh, wow.

Elyse Archer 14:45
Yeah, gosh, I don’t so I don’t have like an intentional method to it. I think it’s more me think about that cuz I want to actually, I want to, I want to think about what the right or just what the true answer is for me there. I think I think for me, a lot of my own journey has been around overcoming a lot of feelings of unworthiness and worthlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned, that’s part of why a lot of the, like the clients I work with are in a business environment in a business setting. And so a lot of times they’ll come for, you know, I want to make more money, or I want to grow my personal brand and presence and just through that process, usually what comes up is, are there tactical, pragmatic things that they can do to do that? Absolutely. But also, and I think the more important thing is we dig into just limiting beliefs that are showing up for them around, you know, I want to make this amount of money, but even the word want means you don’t have it, right. So it especially the women, I work with those, those cut, you hear more than their story. And they talk about feeling unworthy or scared to show up or scared to speak up. And it doesn’t matter how good your website is, or how good your sales process is, if you have that limiting view of yourself, you’re only going to be able to operate within a box that’s like this big right? And get results that are about that big. So I really like I said, I don’t have a set processes, something I’m kind of like working on developing on right now. Because I do want to be able to take people through a more like a more intentional process. For me, it’s typically kind of intuitive with my clients. But that’s usually what I’m listening for when I hear my clients talk is, what are they actually saying about themselves. I was on a call with a potential client the other day. And the first thing she said when she got on our call was she said, Oh, you know, I’m just sitting here procrastinating, like I always do. And she’s a woman who wants to break through six figures this year in her business, and she’s a go getter. And she you can tell like she’s you know, she’s an aggressive goal getter. But the first thing I said was, whatever you describe you prescribed, right. So if you’re sitting there saying, I’m procrastinating, like I always do, you’re going to continue to procrastinate on accomplishing your goals on making your sales calls on whatever it is. So I just I think because so much of my own journey involves poor self talk poor or poor self image, I can hear it, and I can see it and other people. And then that’s what I try to pull out. Because usually we’re just we’re not even aware of it. It’s so ingrained in how we think and how we talk. And most of the people around us usually use disempowering language and thoughts. And so it’s kind of just part of our society. But once you realize, once you’re aware of it, you can’t unknow it. Right. And so I care so much now for myself about how I feel and how I speak about myself. And I try to get my clients to that same level of self awareness. Because the tactical stuff is like 5% of the actual process, the 95% of it is how you think and what you believe you deserve. So I don’t know if that answered the question. Like I said, there’s not a real thought out process. It’s super intuitive for me, but that’s, um, that’s that’s kind of how I do it

Brandon Handley 18:01
a little bit. I mean, it sounds like there is right, so the process is to kind of just identify where they are, right? You know, are they saying something that, you know, you’ve been able to get look as, I don’t think it’s any different than being a doctor, right? Kind of, when, when you first start off, you’re like, maybe I shouldn’t amputate that leg, I don’t know. But I’m gonna go ahead and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go ahead and cut that one off, you’re doing the same thing with like somebody limiting beliefs, right? Or identifying it. And over time, over time, like you become skilled enough to be like, Oh, that’s this. That’s this. That’s this. That’s this just because of your exposure, experience. And then your own way of working with people in that space, seeing what works. A lot of these things that you’re using a lot of the tools that you’re using, I’m guessing, aren’t brand new, right? These are tools that have been around for quite some time that have had success for years and years and years. It’s just how do you how do you share those tools with these people? So what would be like one thing that you help? Like, when you identify like a limiting belief within somebody else? Right? How do you how do you identify that for somebody to get them past that? Yeah, well, I

Elyse Archer 19:07
think the first thing is just reflecting it back to them. So that’s part of where there is value in having a coach a mentor, just somebody who can hear how you talk. And and actually help help you become aware and almost be a mirror for Do you realize you just said that? Because like I said, oftentimes, our language is so it is it is so subconscious, we don’t even realize we’re saying it. So it’s like, hey, do you realize you just said that? And then oftentimes people don’t even realize it’s a problem. They’re like, well, so you know, so what? So what did I said that and I think so for some people, they’re already really into law of attraction and, and positive self talk, but for a lot of people I work with, they’re not familiar with, with what that means, and how it how it impacts them. So we talked about, you know, whatever you’re saying you’re giving a command to your subconscious to create this thing in your life. And so we start to look at what’s a new and better and different way you could say that The other thing that has been really profoundly transformational for me in my life and that I recommend for a lot of my clients is Joe dispenza his meditations like I am, I’m guessing you follow Him, and I’m such a fan of his work. But every single morning, I’m doing those meditations. And I asked my clients to do the same, and it helps you start to feel the feelings of abundance, genius. Courage, right? All those things that, that we want to embody. And so I get all my clients doing that, as long as they’re open to it, and that is pretty darn transformational as well.

Brandon Handley 20:40
Now, 100%, right, yeah, Joe dispenza is great. He’s one, there’s one that I listened not not even. Not even a meditation, but he’s got like a 10 minute piece that like I listened to all the time. It’s just, it just reminds me like not to look at like, not to look at my social media first thing in the day not to, you know, to retune yourself, right, like to retune your your whole, you know, your whole experience? Do you live life on your terms? Not according to what kind of everybody else is already doing? And that’s why I enjoy him and that. So meditation, getting them to connect with the meditations? Or where did you find that to be kind of like the game changer? a game changer for you? Hmm.

Elyse Archer 21:24
You know, it’s so I’ve been meditating off and on for probably five years, probably, well, I really longer than that, but like, actually really going for it for about five years. But I would say it’s, I kind of, I would do it for a while, and then I’d get off of it. Because it was like, you know, I’m still I still was in the mindset of i, this time would be so much better spent if I was sending emails or creating the social media posts. So I was still in that mindset. And really, I would say, it’s, it’s honestly been more in the past few months that it’s kicked in, for me how critically important it is. Where, even though I think I had done a fair amount of work on releasing anxiety, and like I mentioned, like not trusting myself and stuff. So I’d gotten to a pretty good place about 12 months ago, but I still would have almost this low grade anxiety running all the time in the background, especially on Sunday nights, looking at the week ahead of like, Oh, you know, I’ve just I’ve still got all this stuff that’s been done that I thought I was gonna try to get done this weekend, did I just piled too much on my plate, and then I would kind of beat myself up about just not being, you know, good enough. And I Gosh, if I was better, I could have gotten this done. So it was this habit in this perpetual like cycle that my body was almost addicted to the feeling and the anxiety. And some time, I think sometimes we just have a moment. And for me, I just had a moment, I was like, doing it this way, has gotten me this result. I’ve been feeling this low grade anxiety for years for most of my life. What if I didn’t have to feel that way? What if that wasn’t the reality for everybody? What if I was what if it was just a decision that I was going to feel differently. And that’s when I started really doubling down into a lot of Joe’s work, and into just studying, you know, the different energy centers of the body and how to get them in coherence. And I will say, I mean, it’s a very short time as of the recording of this interview, but for about a week now, I’ve had really consistent checks up brain heart coherence, where you just you feel like in the flow all the time, no matter what. I had that for about a week, and it’s been so transformational. Like, I’m not afraid of anything that’s coming, I’m not anxious, I’m at peace, I’m present. With the people I’m talking to. I’m excited. I’m not triggered by stuff the way I was. And it’s just it’s a totally different, I was able to get there like a little bit before and I could get there and kind of keep it for a while during my meditations. But then something would happen in life, and it would trigger me or throw me off and I’d have to like work to get back. And it’s been really darn consistent. For like I said, about seven days. And I think it’s it was just a decision of, I can have this all the time if I want. And so now i’m i’m showing up on that meditation, that was some ferocity my friend cuz he’s like, Oh, this is good, how much? How much better could it get?

Brandon Handley 24:19
You show it to meditation be like, I’m gonna take this bitch down. Yes. So so that’s great. So there’s, there’s a word that I use in tandem kind of with, with with, with what you’re talking about there. And that’s the word numinous. Right? Like where you’ve got this connection to source and it’s just effervescent. And it sounds like that’s been your week, right? Nothing can derail that, right? There’s nothing stronger than it and there’s no worry, you’ve given yourself some trust, you’ve given yourself some grace. And there’s a it’s just such a great feeling, right? Like how did happen and where’s and it’s always been available. Right, that’s the thing like to you’re like, well, all I had to do was make a decision to make this a conscious choice.

Elyse Archer 25:06
That was it. Yeah, that and it’s and it’s not like nothing has happened, like, I got a mega tax bill I wasn’t expecting because of a miscommunication with my accountant. And in the past that would have that would have thrown me, you know, and this I was like, okay, like, I, you know, I am being honest, it threw me for a couple minutes. And then I just like I’m snapping back into it, because nothing is worth sacrificing this level of vibration and awareness and feeling nothing. So we’re just going to do it and move on. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:37
yeah, no, absolutely. 100%. Right. So I thought I definitely talked about this in my process, too, right? To where you make the decision, right, literally, like, so I created that, you know, this thing called the divine framework, right, the first piece of the first piece of this puzzle that you just talked about, is to make the decision. Yes. Right. Like, this is it? This is I’m going for it. Right. But the one thing that, you know, you talked about, like kind of this belief system, you talked about the boxes right and and discover on uncovering kind of like the those limitations, right? Those self imposed limitations. It’s kind of like this whole mindset thing. This is just how spirituality has kind of shown itself for me, right? Like I did the I did the coaching with you awesome stuff. Great stuff went through like law of attraction, right? And I was like, well, this is this is all kind of stuff that I’m putting out there. What if I shake it back and understand that this is a benevolent universe? And that it probably wants things more for me than I actually want for me. What can you show me? Right? And how can I take who I am eternally spirit, like spiritual DNA is perfect, right? I mean, we all have, we all share the same spiritual DNA. But I went from having a human mindset with all these worldly things that we know how to use, right. And, to your point, I’ve made it this far with this human mindset with this human capability. As like, what happens if I choose divinity? What happens in right? What happens if I’m connected to source at all time? And if I accept that source is everything, right? Who, you know, what am I capable of then? Right? And so that’s just fucking blew the lid off it. I’m like, you know, and that’s, that’s that again, just another choice to make right then. And so you can take a look at spirituality and the, you know, you can call it maybe it’s Christ consciousness, I don’t know, right to decide, like, Hey, listen, this is this is Buddhist consciousness, I make this decision to do what you did, to say. I’m just gonna stay connected to this ship, because I feel real good. I don’t have to drink to get here. I don’t have to get high to get here. All I have to do is show up and decide to be here. It can’t be that easy lease.

Elyse Archer 27:56
It’s it. It is literally it is a decision. I mean, that’s it. That’s been a huge lesson for me in the past 12 months that I think we could be scared to make that whatever the decision is. Whether it’s a decision to show up differently, a decision to to move right a decision to, for me invest in this, this high level coach. One other thing that happened for me a couple months ago is I made it not I guess it was more a month ago, I made a decision to spend more money than I knew where it was going to come from to work with this particular woman. So I felt very intuitively guided to do it. And I remember going through the fear and I like I said yes to her verbally. And then I like kind of shrugged back for a week and I vacillated It was like, Oh, this is a bad idea. It’s not it’s not responsible. It’s not smart. And I reached the point. And I think you saw my video I did on Instagram about this. But I was just thinking about why am I not moving forward on this. And it was the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of making a bad decision in the unknown. And, but what it reminded me of was, when I was in my late 20s, I was in a just a, I was in a marriage that was really toxic. And I was so scared to leave because I was afraid of the judgment of being young and being divorced. And my family put a lot of money into the wedding and we were only I mean I knew before I got married to him I shouldn’t have but at this point where I reached kind of the turning point we were like 1214 months in I was so scared to do it because of the fear of judgment and what was going to be on the other side would I ever find someone who was actually a good fit for me all that stuff. And I just reached a point where I said it can’t be worse than this you know so let’s let’s pull the trigger and do it and so I I asked for the divorce and six months to the day that I did. I met Jason who’s my husband I knew within minutes that he was going to be my husband. very inconvenient by the way in North Carolina. You’ve got to be separated for a year so we were still tech Are you gonna you remembered for a year for you to get remarried.

Brandon Handley 29:58
For the for the guys out there. They listen, they’re gonna probably, they’re gonna want to know, what can somebody do in a couple minutes to make some money?

Unknown Speaker 30:07
Right? I

Elyse Archer 30:08
know, I know. Yeah, they are. He just showed up and I was like that, you know, you hear about you know it when you know it, you know it I’ve never had that experience before. But I, I knew him. I knew that I was meant to be with him. So that’s a whole nother story, because then I had to proceed to chase him and date him and all of that stuff. It was a frustrating courtship, I will say, but here we are. So

Unknown Speaker 30:29
if I had to do one, that one, I won that one. Yeah.

Elyse Archer 30:33
But if I had not left that situation that I was so scared to leave, I would not have met him. And we would not have our son jack now. And that just puts things into perspective for me. And I think everyone can relate to something in their life where they’ve been so scared to make a move, because they didn’t know what was on the other side. But think about what happened in your life is a result of what you have now that you wouldn’t have had if you hadn’t stepped out in faith. And for me, that was like, this is it. Like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen on the other side of this, but I know, I can trust my intuition that’s leading me to do this. And I know something really good is gonna unfold, even if it’s not what I’m expecting. So it’s kind of that surrender, like, Alright, I’m along for the ride.

Brandon Handley 31:16
That’s it. I mean, that’s it. 100% right. You know, it’s, it’s following your intuition. And kind of, you know, trusting it. And for you, you know, that’s seems to be working fairly well. Seems like, hey, look, what I love, too, is like, you know, listen, no matter how much of this work you’ve been doing on yourself, I’ve been doing myself, anybody out there has been doing it themselves. years, right. You’re still catching yourself, like beating yourself up? Right? You’re still catching yourself. Like, you know, there are moments where everything’s not fucking perfect. And that’s okay. Like, and I think that, I think that that that can be a challenge too. Because to accept that right to to be able to say, this, this moment, right here is not ideal for me. But that’s still going to show up no matter how much work you do. And I think that that’s important for people to hear and understand. Because they put themselves in into, oh, I shouldn’t be feeling this way I shouldn’t, then they beat themselves up for feeling that way at all. Like you’re saying, like, I shouldn’t be doing this way. And, and and I should be you should I’ve done it differently. And all these other things. And I’ve had another guy that had on and I know well, you called it he has the acronym, acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative. However you did it, right. There’s no alternative to what’s already been done. Right? The only alternative mate would be like your perspective on that, like, as you move forward, you’d be like, you know what, you can look back and be like, you know, what, in my mind, at that time, this is what I thought was going on. But now if I look back, it’s a totally different scenario. your perspective on what happened may be different. But the actual event, there’s no changing it. Right? That’s your your way past it. Right. Yeah. But you know, so how would I mean, a dress that though right, especially for you know, you again, being a coach, having gone through, like all this work, and still finding, you know, yourself kind of having those challenging moments? Do you accept those for yourself? Or do you beat yourself up for having those and then, you know, how do you get through it? What do you do from there?

Elyse Archer 33:28
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I, so I do accept myself for having those. And I used to beat myself up a lot over it. And I think a lot of that is just we see people, whether it’s our parents, or like, for me, I saw I like, I love my mom dearly, but I saw her do that my whole childhood growing up. So I that’s how I operated for a long time. So now with those moments, I am so conscious of how I talk to myself, because I realized if I beat myself up, I’m only perpetuating the negative emotion negative feeling, I’m just going to attract more of that back into my life. So yeah, I mean, even yesterday, I had an introduction to like, a big time, big time, big time podcast to go on. And I had been like, really psyched up.

Unknown Speaker 34:11
You know, we’ve been talking for a while.

Unknown Speaker 34:14
See, it’s always working.

Elyse Archer 34:18
So I had this. So this was like, you know, like, top 100. Like, it was a big it was a just in terms of audience a big show. And so I got myself kind of psyched up for it. And I get on the call with the woman I’d been introduced to who is kind of like the gatekeeper and she was like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If there’s a misunderstanding. You know, he’s booked up for a whole year like I just really wanted to get to know you. You seem like a cool chicken. It was like, in that moment, I felt I felt disappointment. And then I gave myself like two seconds to feel it. I was like, okay, nothing is worth feeling that nothing is worth perpetuating that. So let me instead flip this and focus on how can I show up for her in this moment because I genuinely believe everything is always working out. For me, and if this is not the thing that’s meant to be right now it means there’s something even better down the road. So cool. So let’s have fun with this. And let’s like, show up and have fun. And then who knows what will happen in the future. But I think it’s that an attachment to like things being so perfect that for myself, for a lot of people, right, I think a lot of women I work with everyone, we can get kind of caught up in perfectionism, and things have to turn out the way we thought they would. But when you can be kind of unattached and just more attached to like, feeling good and having fun and showing up in the moment. It’s, it’s a heck of a lot more enjoyable. And you end up

Brandon Handley 35:35
Yeah, listen, you could find yourself on spiritual dope, too, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:40
I love it.

Brandon Handley 35:41
But the deal is to have right like, I mean, that is, you know, the dude, you’re talking about that seven days of being connected. That is, that’s the spiritual high, right? That’s, that’s the, that’s what the spiritual dope is. That’s the hits. You know, when you got that meditation, and you’ve got that meditation buzz of man, I was just so connected, I was so aligned, I was so detached from, I don’t want to say worldly things. But I was so detached from all all the activity and things that I felt like we were talking earlier, like, oh, maybe I gotta go make another pose. Maybe I got to go do this, maybe I got I got, I’ve got 10 minutes, I can squeeze in like five posts, maybe I can I am in and check for emails, right. And instead of being like, like, your coach is saying, Go study your fucking self for a minute. Right? Like, you’re pretty special. Right? recognize that? You know, I think more recently, you know, some of the meditations that I’ll do would be like, how far can you visualize yourself out? Right? And I’d be like, oh, infinite, right? The edges of the universe? Yes. But then more recently, I was like, well, inside is just as infinite to like, how deep Can I go into myself, and it’s infinite. So it’s infinite internally as much. So like, that was there’s been like a new rocking revelation, right? Like, where you just kind of you go internally, and you just hang out with yourself. And you see that, like, you know, you are 100% connected to source at all times. And it’s like, you’re saying, it’s a choice to say, I’m connected in this moment, to the person to the lady that was on the call, or title for my own shit. And I could I could show up and be there for her, or be tied up my own shit. And again, you’re like, I’m gonna take this moment, be there for her. And be open for the intuition, the inspiration, what’s coming out of this that is meant to be like your best.

Elyse Archer 37:35
Yes. I don’t want to add something to what you said about just studying the depth of ourselves. So one of my girlfriends, her sister, passive cancer a couple years ago, and they were super close, super, super close. And I wouldn’t talk about this on most any podcasts. I’ll talk about it here because I feel like you’ll get it. So she her sister passed. And then a mutual friend of theirs, called my friend out of the blue a couple months later, and she was she was like, I don’t know, I just feel like I have to call you. And we needed to reconnect. And this, this woman also channels and connects with people on the other side. And suddenly, while they were talking, my friend’s sister Lauren started coming through her and say, like, really literally reconnecting with my friend and what Lauren was saying, was, she said, You have no idea how big we are. She said now that I’m on the other side now that I can see it. She said, imagine like zoom out look at your house. Imagine you’re looking at it from above. You see the house and then zoom out to the block and the street and then your city and then the world and then the universe. She said you’re so much bigger. She said we are so much bigger than we know. She said I can’t wait for you to see this and know this. But she was just like, it’s you should have this this one on your podcast, I can introduce you because it’s powerful. It’s so powerful. But that perspective from the other side of are so much bigger than we can even fathom. Have

Brandon Handley 38:59
you connected yourself to that yet? Um, have you had that experience for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 39:04
No. Have you I want to Oh, can can you tell me about

Brandon Handley 39:07
it? Because I mean, it’s you can’t right that’s the whole Yeah, you can’t that’s the whole like, mystery school mysticism. translate that thing now? I did do I did do one good podcast on it where I’m not sure if you’ve done breathwork yet.

Unknown Speaker 39:23
A little bit not

Brandon Handley 39:24
not a ton, but a little bit. It’s like it’s it’s it’s like, cracked out. Meditation. When done when done well, like when you when you nail you’ll know when you nail it because you’ll come out of it. Like, what the fuck just happened? And can I get more of that all the time? Anytime? And the answer is yes. Right. Which is also powerful because that’s just like, like I said, meditation force multiplied and add connections and scenes, that you know, in those moments, that that’s the That’s just like a knowing, right? Like, it can’t be anything other than that and and more back to what you were saying before is it doesn’t you don’t need an external validation for that type of thing. You know this as truth. Right and and so, yes, right and that’s the that’s the question all right and and you know, I had similar experience to where this actually so to Elise has meant guys just again so lease is a lease is actually responsible in part for spiritual dope as well I don’t know if I told you that or not it was the interview without What was her name last one you got me in contact with the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, Regina Yeah,

Brandon Handley 40:43
so I interviewed Regina for the prosperity practice which in its own right was fucking awesome. I did love it and actually enjoyed it. But I also realized that I was I was kind of, you know, trying to sell the people what they wanted, but then give them what they need. And finally, I was just like, you know what bucket like your friend, right? Like, a much bigger, you know, spirituality, right? our spirits are much bigger than our bodies and it’s self evident. There’s like, you know, recordings of it with just even just with your resonance, right? You talked about also like the mind, mind heart coherence, experience that often, right? And that’s through meditation, but again, like through a number of things, once you recognize how to connect that and resonate that piece, and then you’re like, oh, like, like, all the time like it just like, it’s so great. Anyway, so yeah, so I interviewed her. And I was like, Why? Why am I holding back? kind of the best part of me? The best part of like, what I believe, right? Because here was this, you know, here was this, you know, ex lawyer fucking doing it. Right? And I was like, why am I waiting? Right? For who? Who, who? And then this came all the way back from my first podcast. So anyway, so first podcast was like, who gives me the authority to do this, right? I do. You do. You give yourself the authority to be you, right? You know, to go out and do the things that you know, that you can do that you’re capable of that you’re called to do, right? And that’s what you’re doing now I get to be a witness to seeing you punch through like each layer of that shit, right. And that’s what’s been fun for me to kind of watch you too, because we’ve had I feel like kind of similar experiences in that way be like, like, this is all shit. I’m out of here. This is better, but and it’s not even leveling up. Right? It’s just finding yourself in a different space because even even to a different level of awareness to what already is. Right? It’s just and goes back to your belief system be like, how When do I get to the side? Like, there’s more? Well, there’s a whole universe that is currently yours at your disposal. How do you want to use it? Right? Do you want to use it if you if you again, if you want to use your human self have fun with that. Right? And you’ve experienced that? What do you want to do with your Divine Self? What do you want to do with your universal self? Like what other kind of mindset Can you put yourself into and there’s again, that’s unlimited to

Unknown Speaker 43:16
this is so good. Oh my god. Yes,

Brandon Handley 43:20
yes. Yes. So again, guys, it was Elise who connected me with Regina and then when I connected with Regina, my wife had a friend who was medium as well on channel with me so it was combination of my wife whose childhood friend who she connects me with my grandfather like my closest you know, kind of Anthony in my life and and doing it with Gina and like, it was like the the medium wrote like a coming out letter of like, mediumship, right, like to her family, like I’m coming out of the closet medium type thing. So I was like, I was like, You know what, fuck it I’m coming out of the closet like spirituality and we’re just we’re just gonna go do it and ever since Sinhalese blown up blown blown. I mean, just the doors been blown off the people I’ve connected with, you know, I just interviewed my man here. I released you know, and and that, that was no following intuition. There was a 215 phone number, which is a Philadelphia area phone number. I was like, You’re fucking up here. I’m calling. And I just called. I was like, I was like, I was like, Listen, I was like, I got like, you know, his pm and she was awesome. knew where she lived. We had this great conversation. I was like, I just got to let you know I love this book. I’ve gone through it like four or five times I leave groups on it, yada yada. Would he be open to being on the podcast and she goes, You know what he normally he hates them. But let me see what I can do. That’s so cool. But again, so thank you like this is kind of like a trivia tool, a lease podcast. A lot of a lot, a lot of things because it’s been a lot of fun and without your support. You know, in part, of course, like us, all other all other people that have been a part of the journey, but you’ve been a big part about it. So I thought I’d share that with you.

Elyse Archer 45:11
Thank you. Thank you. Well, any audience? Yeah. And I think to just to see kind of how you’ve, you’ve taken every step of your evolution and turn it into something that’s good for other people. And I think that’s really cool. Because I do think back to when we were first working together, and it was like, how do we sell more of these?

Brandon Handley 45:32
things? Right. But that goes back to what you were saying, like how, you know, there was like, you know, you were selling stuff, and you were doing it where like, there was like integrity issues. And it’s like, yeah, you could sell something. Yeah. Maybe you could overcome some objections. Yeah, you maybe get this person to do this thing. But like, in the end, at what cost to you? And who?

Elyse Archer 45:50
Yes, exactly, exactly. Like, what is it actually all about? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 45:55
Well, so how do you I mean, I think that leads into a really good piece. So So how do you do it now where you’ve got it all tied together, that you feel aligned with what you’re doing.

Elyse Archer 46:04
Um, I just really listened to what, what my body says about what whether it’s working with a particular client, whether it’s launching a program, and I don’t fault myself for changing my mind, either, like I launched something new with the rollout of my new brand that was actually it was based on what a shaman who I follow what he does, or just like a $10, weekly, I drop in, he goes a healing temple. And it’s so much I was like, Oh, we should have that for sales, that would be so much fun. So I did like a $10 weekly drop in sales training. And it’s been, it’s been fun, but it’s like the numbers started off really high. And then they kind of dwindled with the number of women who were coming every week. And I used to go into panic about that. And now it’s like, oh, cool, I’m being divinely guided to transform this into something else. So I’m transforming it into something slightly different a monthly membership, and women are signing up for that really fast. So it’s like, just knowing that it doesn’t have to be perfect. But if I take the, I listen to what I’m being told to do, I take the action, I’m not attached to it being that way forever. And then I just kind of keep receiving that guidance. And that’s how I’ve launched my programs. That’s how I choose which clients to work with. That’s how I chose my brand colors. Like all of it, it’s just all the

Brandon Handley 47:21
colors, by the way. Don’t go gold, white, and red, which are which are all pretty cool. Yeah, I like that too. Like you talked about, like, you know, being able to change like kind of like your your and and, you know, in the business world or be ready to pivot, pivot, pivot. But being able to pivot, right, being able to adjust on the fly is something that I think a lot of people have a challenge with, too. How do you help them to overcome that, like, be like, Oh, I made this decision to do this thing. And I was told to commit. And, man, if I, if I just stick with it, persistence, and yada, yada, yada. So how do you help somebody that’s stuck in that space?

Elyse Archer 48:01
Yeah, cash. And it’s tough to write because we hear self discipline and persistence. And there’s a lot of value. There’s a lot of value to those attributes, in a lot of ways, but I think sometimes we get, you know, you hear like sunk cost theory in business. So I’ve put so much time and energy into this. And we can hold on to something just because of that, just because we already invested a lot of money or a lot of time. And even in our core, if we know it’s no longer the right thing. So again, it comes down to intuition. And so if I’m working with the client, we kind of we look at, okay, if you were, if you were starting this today, would you do the same thing? Like if you were starting from scratch? Would you do the same thing? If the answer is yes, then it’s okay. You probably just need to keep going at it for longer. Like it’s just, it’s keep showing up, keep doing it know that just like you said, with the flower when you plant it, it’s gonna take a hot minute sometimes, and that’s okay. But if you’re being honest, and you wouldn’t do it again, the same way today, or you wouldn’t run this program today, or you wouldn’t. I mean, this is a big one, but you wouldn’t marry this person today. Right? Like, then I’m not counseling people and relationships. So take that for what it’s worth, but you kind of look at, okay, are you attached to this just because you’ve put so much time and energy into it? Or are you attached to it, because it’s actually what you’re meant to be doing. And it just needs a little more time to mature or grow or terminate.

Brandon Handley 49:23
I love that. I love being associated. Again, you know, I’m a big fan of the word grace these days. So give yourself a little grace and let you kind of, you know, let that let that life energy just go ahead and propagate the way that it’s supposed to. Right. And I love though, to that you’re saying you know, if you started today, would you still do this? Right? Because again, we we put all this energy into the sunk cost thing even like, well, the Titanic sinks, it’s sunk, right? Like I mean, fucking let it go. Right? They jump off the boat because it is sunk costs, and it hasn’t accelerated you or gotten you to where you think you should be by Now and if you were to, you know, kind of continue that trajectory, it’s down at this point, right? I love it. I love it. So, what, um, you know, let’s what is a, you know, a hit of spiritual dope for you like, you know what, you know, meditation, I mean, having, you know, maybe looking at your son, you know, what is what is something that, um, that’s just your pure hit a spiritual dope.

Elyse Archer 50:24
I mean, it’s totally hanging out with my son jack now like that’s just to see see the pureness of a little kid and to see how they just just their wholeness and their appearances, and his unfiltered laughter is so much fun. I absolutely love that. And then I think the other thing is just when I can show up and give or do something for somebody else that has nothing to do with me. And that’s actually, when I found myself a couple months ago, like going through some of that Panic of like, Oh, my God, am I doing making the wrong decision or the wrong choice? That’s part of how I would shift out of it is I would be like, What can I do for somebody else right now to get my head out of my ass and focus on what really matters. And that always, to me, that always helps. It’s that quick shift. It’s like, What can I do for someone else, whether it’s write a comment on their social media, whether it’s had a client who wants to book club, I was like, I’m gonna join my clients book club right now. And that’s gonna make him feel good when he looks in his inbox and sees that he’s got a new member. So just stuff like that. Right? It’s, it’s always kind of getting our focus off of ourselves.

Brandon Handley 51:31
I love this. I mean, it doesn’t have to be complex, right? You can go out there and kind of give of yourself and support somebody else in small meaningful ways. And you’re gonna feel better about yourself. Hmm,

Elyse Archer 51:42
yeah. Well, and it’s the whole Have you read the diamond cutter?

Unknown Speaker 51:46
No, I have not, oh, this

Unknown Speaker 51:48
will be a good one. I

Unknown Speaker 51:49
think you’ll be into this.

Elyse Archer 51:50
So the principle behind it is whatever you want for yourself, help someone else get it. So I’ve got my, my mastermind partner. She’s also going for seven figures in her business right now. So one of the things that I’ve done and I told her I was like, This is not entirely altruistic that I want to help you do this. Like, I’m really curious energetically how this works for me.

Brandon Handley 52:11
It’s interesting, though, at least, right? Like, when I started fatherhood, for the rest of us, it wasn’t for the pure reasons. Right? It really wasn’t and I can look back and I can say that right? I’m like, you know, I did this for all the wrong reasons. But I was doing the right things, even if it was for the right reasons, for all reasons. Yeah. And that kind of tilted the whatever right into into always say like, I’m like the Grinch my heart grew to sizes too large or whatever, right? Like it went from being like, you know, this thing to write. So I think that you and I think you know, are you know, when you collect new Java Roman back in the day, I remember him going into, you know, talking about that, right being like, what happens if you do the right things with like, the wrong reasons. Now, I would say and wrong reasons is really kind of hard. You can’t really say it’s for the wrong reasons. You’re really trying to do it for the benefit. Yes, of you. And of them, but like, you know, that kind of shakes off. Just Just for I mean, my experience has been that kind of shakes off like initially, it’s kind of like, I’m doing it mostly for me a little bit. You still feel okay, I’m doing it for like, you know, at least I’m not, you know, at least I’m not calling you an asshole, right? Like, you know, merger. Nobody’s a jerk. I’m doing all these things. And eventually, that it’s just kind of like rust away until like, this purity situation happens where like, that’s just becomes who you are. Right? So there’s really nothing wrong with like, trying on different clothes until you find the pair that fits.

Elyse Archer 53:38
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s you always know because it’s the energy or doing something and like, how do you feel while you’re doing it? If you feel secretly like, with this, this friend of mine, who I’m helping, I’m just kinda like consulting and helping her for helping her hit seven figures in her business this year. It’s like, the energy that I feel around it when I do it. If I felt jealousy or if I felt scarcity or like, I should be spending the time on my own stuff. exactly what you’re talking about, right, like doing it for the wrong reasons. But I think it’s it’s, you can tell when you feel like whole excited, fulfilled, relaxed while you’re doing it. It’s really different.

Unknown Speaker 54:13
You are at ease. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:15
you’re at ease and the things are easy. They’re simple. They’re fulfilling. Yeah, right. All right. Super awesome. As always to catch up with you. Unfortunately, we can’t stay on all day. So where can we send people to go find more Elise Archer,

Elyse Archer 54:33
thank you so much for having me. Elise. archer.com has all the things and then on all social media. I’m at Elise Archer. So with love, love, love to connect. I’ve got a podcast, she sells radio so people can check that out. It’s like sales with a healthy dose of spirituality.

Brandon Handley 54:49
Now, who would you say your ideal client is Elise?

Unknown Speaker 54:53
Hmm.

Elyse Archer 54:55
It’s often a younger me. And I’m not saying that in an egotistical way. It’s just I can really help them. A woman because I know

Unknown Speaker 55:00
what’s going on.

Elyse Archer 55:02
So it’s typically going to be a woman who is either a business owner or she’s in sales, she’s looking to break through her first six figures. And it’s like, something’s not quite clicked there. But she’s ready. And she’s probably a little bit turned off by a lot of what she’s being taught from either corporate sales training or from the book she’s reading and it just doesn’t quite feel right to her and she’s like, could I reach my goals in a way that actually feels really good to me and other people and I love helping that type of woman so that’s my ideal client.

Brandon Handley 55:32
awesome guys. Go

check out Lisa’s especially, you know, if you meet that description, I can promise you that, uh, you know, it’ll work out for you. Right? guarantee that, you know, to go through some of the coaching or some of the programs that Elise has offered, they will be valuable to you.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
Thank you, my friend. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

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Mike Iamele is a writer, life purpose expert, and brand strategist. With his proprietary Sacred Branding® system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads that explain their subconscious motivations, unique genius, and life purpose. People use this work for all kinds of things — from branding and building a business, to exploring identity and sexuality, to finding their artistic voice, to even re-discovering themselves after a life-altering event, like divorce or retirement. Mike’s also the author of Enough Already: Create Success on Your Own Terms (Conari Press 2015). He’s shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts, and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first same-sex relationship. Prior to Sacred Branding®, at only 22 years old, Mike co-founded Torch Communications, a boutique public relations firm, specializing in healthcare and disruptive technology. He currently lives in Somerville, MA, with his husband and two adorable dogs.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dove is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Mike Iaconelli who is a writer, life purpose expert and brand strategist. With his proprietary sacred branding system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads explained their subconscious motivations, unique genius and life purpose. People use this word for all kinds of things, from branding and building to business to exploring identity and sexuality to finding their artistic voice to even rediscovering themselves after a life altering event like divorce or retirement. Mike is also the author of enough already create success on your own terms. He shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first first same sex relationship prior to sacred branding relationship prior Okay, sorry. Prior to sacred branding, at only 22 years old, Mike co founded torch communications, a boutique public relations firm specializing in health care and disruptive technology. I’m not gonna tell you where we live. They can find that on their own. But here’s the deal, Mike, first, first of all, just while I’m going through this, thank you so much for joining me today.

Mike Iamele 1:24
Yeah, thanks, Brandon. This is awesome. I’m glad to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:26
Awesome. So I’m reading this. It’s funny, though, because I was reading this earlier. And when I read it in his first same sex relationship, so like, I mean, multiples or, like, I mean, you What happened? There was

Mike Iamele 1:41
a great question. Let’s dive right in. Um, you know, I previously had no conscious knowledge, no interest in men. To my knowledge, I’ve only dated women. And it was a time where I actually woke up one day vomiting blood. And that didn’t stop for a few months, I was really, really sick. I was going from doctor to doctor trying to figure out what was wrong with me. And my roommate at the time was a friend of mine, we actually two roommates, but one of them was a friend of mine who was in the healthcare profession. And so he kind of became my caretaker, I couldn’t drive myself to these appointments. You know, he really took care of me. And after about two months, I felt like I felt something. It wasn’t sexual. It didn’t even feel romantic. It just felt like something was a little different. And I think if it were any other time in my life, I probably wouldn’t have acted on it. But I thought I was going to die. And so there I was kind of saying like, Well, you know, and I felt really weird. I said, Hey, I don’t know what this is. I don’t know if this is anything. But I kind of have these feelings. And he reciprocated he felt something. He didn’t know what he also had never dated a man. And that led us on a year and a half, two year journey of exploring what that is. We are married today. We’ve been together for over nine years. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 2:59
How cool is that? How cool is that? So that’s usually not my first question. But when I was reading through that, I’m like, what is what is in here? Right? So here’s my first question is, hey, look, you know, we’re both in the spiritual realm, we both we’re both in this space where the universe talks to us, right? We’re conduits for some type of energy, right? In these body shades, forms, minds, whatever the hell right? So given that, when we’re when we’re having a conversation, people that are tuning in listening to podcasts are tuned into something that only you can deliver, right, at this time, you know, sources delivering what message to them through you right now.

Mike Iamele 3:38
So what’s the message I’m delivering? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 3:40
What’s the what’s the message, the sources sources pulling through right now,

Mike Iamele 3:44
you know, the message is that it’s ironic because it’s exactly what you’re talking about, that every single one of us has a unique way, energy flows, unique sensitivities, unique purpose. And the thing is, I get really fired up about this, because the way we talk about purpose is toxic. And it really induces shame. And the reason for that is we talk about purpose, like it is achievable and aspirational. So we’ll say things like, Oh, my purpose is to be a life coach. My purpose is to write a book, my purpose is to get married. And that’s awesome. But here’s the thing, if you can achieve it, that means you can also fail it. And that doesn’t make sense, like how you fail your purpose. And more than that, if you can achieve it, it implies you didn’t have it at a certain point. So did we just not have a purpose as babies like that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever? Sure. And so I talk about purpose, a lot more like sensitivities. And here’s the thing even as a baby before I learned one word I was sensitive to some things. Some babies are sensitive to music, and they can probably hear notes that I can’t hear. Some babies are sensitive to certain colors. Some babies are sensitive to freedom. And if you’re sensitive to freedom, you’re probably going to feel trapped a lot more easily than I am. You’re probably going to look for opportunities to feel free all the time and you’re probably gonna create your best work when you do feel free, right know that sense? activity is going to start to color your entire experience of life. Every moment of your life, every trauma you have, every job you have, every relationship you have, is going to be either expressing or suppressing that to some degree. We’re going exactly through that sensitivity. So we’re sensitive. That’s how we experience life. We see taste, touch, smell life, there are senses, right? That’s what purpose is. Now, if I’ve got a container that can totally hold my purpose, it’s like talking to my best friend. And time just flies by and genius just feels out of me. And I’m tapped into that unique thing coming through me right through my senses. Yeah. And then we have those other conversations, were kind of like, Am I saying the right thing? Am I doing the right thing, am I and we’re on that level of technical. And then when we say if we’re on the level of technical, we have no idea what the essence is, we’re not actually tapped into essence, we’re just trying to kind of mold this awkward container. But when I know I have boiling hot tea, I’m not going to put that in plastic, I’m not going to put that in a cup with a handle, I’m going to choose the right container. The second that, you know, essence, everything starts flowing. And that’s why whether we’re talking about relationships, whether we’re talking about spirituality, trauma, healing, you’ve always no moment of your life has been wasted. You everything has a purpose. Obviously, the word purpose means why. But we have containers that can hold that purpose and containers that can’t. And my interest in life is just knowing who we are removing any shame and then finding containers that can actually hold us.

Brandon Handley 6:29
Now. I love that, right. There’s a there’s a lot in there. And I think that that’s a I think it’s a great message. One of the one of the things that I wanted to share to what you talked about is you’re going through your branding system, right, and how that can help you explore, explore your spirituality. And one of the things that I mentioned to you right before we got started here was, you know, more people reached out to me on on spiritual dope than a couple other podcasts. But what I did also nothing that I recognized and some of my other podcasts, the people that did reach out to me, my first one was fatherhood for the rest of us. And I had like this kind of weird dad snare, everybody’s got a weird dad snare and always got to the you know, whatever. But like, he was like, he heroin overdose died, stuff like that, right? Like, about 30 40% of people I talked to. That’s similar story, right? So you would track kind of who you are. I’m not saying, um, you. But you track like, like mines, right? So the people that are reaching out to me are also experiencing kind of what you’re sharing that this your sacred branding system, right? And recognizing that marketing, isn’t this the skeezy thing? Right? There can be some goodness that comes out of going through understanding what is your branding? What is right, so let’s talk a little bit about your sacred branding system so that people can kind of understand it from that perspective.

Mike Iamele 7:54
Yeah. Well, let me tell you how it got started. Because it is, you know, everything looks glamorous, or retrospect. But I promise you, it is not. So, you know, I was at this moment where I was really sick, like I mentioned before, and I was kind of sort of navigating this relationship with my roommate. And I went around from healer to healer. You know, I wasn’t into alternative healing at the time, but I was really desperate. And so I started going to reflexology, and Reiki and acupuncture and you know, energy healing, you name it, I was there. And one healer said to me, you know, can I pull a card for you? Okay, that’s what you want to do. And she pulled a card, and she said, Oh, my God, you are going through a shamanic healing crisis. And the second that you start to realize, and change your path and find new containers, everything will change, you will magically get better, and it’s gonna change your life. So I took it with a grain of salt at the time, but I bought a few books that she had mentioned. And I went on my way. And through this process of discovering, I started realizing this new spiritual part of myself. And so this is happening simultaneously. I actually owned a PR agency. So as you mentioned, I worked in public relations and health care reform. And I never thought that would be fair job. I loved that job. I mean, I liked it. I should say it was good, but it wasn’t fully fully right container. But it was good enough. And so this crazy thing happened, where I lost my passport, the day before my family was going to Aruba for New Year’s, we always go for New Year’s, my passport disappeared. I keep it locked in a safe wasn’t there. So I drove back and forth to my parents house to my house. Like I didn’t sleep that night. I was just driving. They were an hour for me, and could not find my passport. They went to Aruba. The next day. I was stuck at home. And so I you know, said to my partners, listen, guys, why don’t I take off next this next week? instead? I’ll work this week instead of being on vacation. And then I’ll go Ruby late and meet my family there. And kind of uncharacteristically, they had some issue with us. And so I thought, all right, well, I will work but I’ll work from Aruba. I’m going to Aruba and they said well, we don’t know if You’re really serious about this company. And I was like, You know what, maybe I’m not. And so I went to Aruba. I came back, and it was like someone else was speaking for me. I just said, I’ll give you a year’s notice, we’re gonna restructure, and I’m leaving. So now here I am sitting there and thinking, what the hell am I going to do with my life, like, I don’t have a plan, you know, I can sell my shares. I have a little bit of money, but I don’t have a plan. So I went to herbalism school, I went to nutrition school, I literally went to two schools full time that year, while working while taking spiritual classes, while exploring this relationship. It was the worst year of my life. But I finished it. And I thought, well, I don’t know what to do. So I decided that I was going to be the health and wellness coach for the Boston entrepreneurs, because I knew them all. Why not? Like I was an herbalist. I was a health coach, I can do this. And it was okay. I wasn’t making a ton of money, and I really love it. And so I started writing a blog. And this blog got decently popular. And someone REACHED OUT out of the blue and offered me a book deal. And I thought, Oh, this isn’t this is my purpose. I’ve always meant to be a writer, I’m going to do this book deal. So I write this book, I go on a book tour. And I hope not everybody’s listening to this part. I didn’t love it. It wasn’t great. still buy my book. It’s good. But I did not like just being an author and doing the book tour things, a lot of pressure. I didn’t feel supported. And so I thought, well, crap, I’m wasting my time. I’m wasting life. How do I not know my purpose? Now I’ve gone through the crisis. I’ve done all the things that every book tells me to do. I’ve one on every life purpose webinar, every life purpose training, I don’t know my purpose. So I go back to the drawing board. And I said, All right, what am I good at? What does the world need? And I’ve had circled that middle ground. Oh, it is so obvious. How did I not see it? I meant to create a blogging course. But this blogging course, is just going to be a blogging course, it’s going to be deep, it’s going to be spiritual, it’s gonna help people find their voice. And it’s gonna help them get booked deals and all this great stuff, right? So I create this course. And of course, you know, you got to go pro. So I put everything into this, like, I’ve got the lighting kit and the nice mic, and the Facebook ads, and the web designer and the business partner and all that stuff and put it out to the world. And five people bought it. The loss was extraordinary. I mean, that was the last of my savings, I was done. So I was mortified. I knew, I guess I will ask my partners to take me back after a year, who knows what’s going to happen? I still don’t know my purpose, after, you know, decades of trying, but really a year just focused on that I still can’t figure it out. I’m a failure. And so I decided to host a failure celebration, right? Because at least you know, maybe I can flip the script and celebrate Well, maybe something good came from this year. And I went into a Facebook group I was a part of. And I said, I’m happy to, you know, do some branding for you. And some work that I came up with way back in PR. It’s a simple system we use to help CEOs kind of think about their messaging in a very concrete simple way so that they can make sales decisions and messaging and interview talking points and press releases and all this stuff. Very simple. And so I went in there, and I offered it to these people. But these weren’t the, you know, tech entrepreneurs and healthcare politicians I was used to. These were life coaches, and artists and healers and all types of cool people. And every single one of them said to me, Mike, you didn’t just tell me my brand. You told me my life purpose. It’s like, wait, wait a minute. They’re like, What are you trying to say? And so I had to go back to the drawing board and figure out what am I actually doing here? What’s happening that’s telling these people claiming that they know their purpose in a way that’s never been articulated before. And so I did the process for myself. And I discovered six words. And these sorts of six words are aligned, zany, free, unmistakable, successful, and vulnerable. And the second I saw these words, every moment of trauma in my life starts to make sense, because I started to feel every time the opposite of those when I was protected. When I felt like a failure, these articulated better than anything, the biggest trauma of my life, I started to look at what felt good about it my PR job, but what didn’t, what made sense in writing, but what didn’t. And as I started to do that, simultaneously, people started asking me, what do you call this? And I said, it’s branding, but I guess it’s sacred, I don’t know, sacred branding. laughs That word on there. They start telling their friends and I was open for business. And I never went back to PR, which I thought I would the next day never did and that was six or seven years ago. Now. I

Brandon Handley 14:29
think. That’s great. That’s great. And I think that, you know, look, you you just stepped into kind of like your fear, right? And and you you surrendered a little bit, right? You just you just said you know what, this is what I got. I’m having this conversation. I’m gonna have the failure party, people are gonna step up. Do you happen to be in this group, like you said, of like artists and you know, these kind of spiritual people and you’re helping them find their purpose, and if I recall correctly, you’re like, I didn’t even know what mine was. All right. Hold on a second. Yeah, I did what? Hold on a second. Wait, I’m gonna come back. I’m watching Oh, this works because now I’m gonna work. It’s like kinds of hypnosis on yourself though, right? Like, all right.

Mike Iamele 15:11
So the irony about it is like, if we look at those words successful, I was hosting a failure celebration to make success, right, I was being super vulnerable, I was aligning with my type of people, like, when we start to unpack what that means, well, da, this was gonna be a moment of success for me. And that’s why I always call this you know, a reliable, predictable formula for success and fulfillment that works in any situation without fail. It doesn’t just work in job because it’s kind of To me, it’s like shooting darts, like most of us live life where we’re shooting darts in the dark, we kind of sometimes stumble upon success, and we that feels good. But even if we have something successful in our lives, we don’t actually know what made us successful. So we’re an artist who might say, well, was it the medium I was using? Was I feeling inspired? Did I have a lot of spaciousness that day? Or if we’re an entrepreneur, we think, well, was it the image? Was it the coffee was not asked these questions? Sure. relationships, same thing. What I often think is, when we do this work, what we’re doing is we’re mapping our experiences, you know, to do sacred branding, we’re mapping out traumas, we’re mapping our highest access points, we’re starting to notice a pattern and boiling that pattern down. And it’s kind of like flipping on the lights, doesn’t mean I’m gonna hit the bullseye every time, but I know what I’m doing. I can practice, I can say, Alright, I know I need to be vulnerable here. It’s really awkward for me, but I’m gonna keep practicing what that looks like in relationship until I can hone that sensitivity.

Brandon Handley 16:32
Right. Right now. That’s fair. That’s fair. The one of the things that I see out there is people trying to be vulnerable, but really, they’re just vomiting, like, or, you know, just just doesn’t come off as genuine. So how can you be authentically vulnerable on purpose?

Mike Iamele 16:52
It’s a great question. You know, I think that I think that there’s a difference between maybe intentional and strategic care. I think that this, you know, I guess the bottom line is, what is the reason that we’re being vulnerable? And that’s what I’m really interested in, when we go down to the brand energy level, is it about connection? Is it about intimacy? Is it about, you know, feeling aligned with somebody? Is it about being seen? Is it about feeling abundance, like, there’s a reason that we’re doing it in the first place. And if we’re not really tapped into that we’re kind of deceiving ourselves, we’re basically like, I want to make a lot of money. And so I’m being vulnerable to make a lot of money. But I’m not actually conscious of that I’m actually owning that the shadow. So it starts to come across as inauthentic. But I think when we really know who we are, and what kind of owning and claiming that, you know, I often say you don’t have to assert what’s claimed, right? If I’m asserting something, I haven’t fully claimed it. So if I have to be like, Oh, I am super masculine. That’s not something I’ve planned. Oh, I’m super vulnerable. That’s not something I’ve claimed, right. When I’ve claimed it, it’s just internalized, and then I kind of exude it. And I think that’s what I want for every person to be able to exude the authentic flow of who you actually are. Right?

Brandon Handley 18:01
I mean, that kind of goes back to like your beginning, right, you know, how can that person find out who they truly are? Right? And then helping them to figure out how to truly express that. Is that you know, I mean, that’s kind of that’s kind of, that’s the business that you’re in? Yeah, that’s

Mike Iamele 18:16
right there. you boil it down. Absolutely. Yeah. No,

Brandon Handley 18:18
I love it. You know, me. And it’s funny the story that you’re telling, too, because it’s exactly what happened to me, right? My first podcast was like, I gotta I gotta hit these notes. I got to do these things. I want to do it for money. Like, I didn’t really want to do it for money. But I was doing it for money. I was like, yeah. And then and then like, I was, like, you know, switched out did another one. And that podcast was wasn’t in straight alignment with who I was right? Like this. I was like, it’s almost there. I’ve almost gotten it, right. And then this one is like, is better? Right? This one? I’m like, I’m almost there. Again, like so again, like, and and? I’m sure, right. I mean, would you talk to kind of how the universe opens up once you find your alignment? Like, what’s that look like? For you?

Mike Iamele 19:02
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think, you know, it depends what language we’re comfortable using, whether we want to call it the universe, whether we want to say we’re just putting ourselves in the place of opportunities, and the right thing comes.

Brandon Handley 19:10
I think that that’s great, too, right? Because I think that a big a big challenge for the people that are like, you know, the spiritual ilk, or are super artsy, they’re not going to be as comfortable with the business language, right? And that’s, and that’s why they’re open to this other. Let’s open up to the universe. Let’s have a vision board, let’s, let’s do these things because they are these are goals, these are planning, these are all those other things, but it’s in a language that they their brain, and their subconscious will not filter out, like, oh, we’re gonna do it like this. That’s great, man. My energy is in alignment. Let’s do it. Right. Whereas like, if you’re like, let’s let’s come up with a plan. I’m not much of a planner. I don’t I don’t write hate plans.

Mike Iamele 19:56
Well, I think the thing is, you know, we all have our own Attachment towards our own language, our own connotation. And that’s why as much as I think things like, you know, MBTI or enneagram, with these systems are really awesome. I’m a big fan of, you know, speaking to our purpose in our own language through how we associate with words. And that’s why you know, I don’t really care. I tell people, if your words of Sally Bob and Jim awesome, if that means something to you, you go for it. And so my job is just to help them map how they use language and begin to boil that down to overarching themes. And it’s a really cool process. So we can

Brandon Handley 20:32
do. I do I do. Okay,

Mike Iamele 20:37
so, do you want to be a guinea pig? Or do you just want me to speak to your guinea pig. So this is gonna be my super super, like, dumbed down shoddy way of doing it. But if anyone wants to reveal a little bit more real, you can just go to Mike iaconelli.com slash map, it’s free. It’s 36 minutes, and you’re gonna get a worksheet. So it’s super cool. But let’s play now for 10 minutes. Okay, so Brandon, can you take a moment to close your eyes, and I want you to think about three jobs that you have had in your life. So just three jobs could be anything, it could be back in high school, you were, you know, a cashier, it could be a current job, it could be podcasting, just anything that you want. And when you get your mind in those three jobs, I want you to pick one of them and tell me what it is.

Brandon Handley 21:32
So, you know, once upon a time like that to my laptop, my eyes are not to show.

Unknown Speaker 21:37
Yeah, I know what’s happening.

Brandon Handley 21:40
You know, so once upon a time, I mean, this is going back 20 years, like I used to do two bunches like the raves right the nighttime parties, but like I do the promoting for them, right? Or like help hosts are like pull, pull, pull, pull the gathers together, right? I mean, so awesome. So you know, getting people together and and seeing them having a great night. I mean, that that was it. Right?

Mike Iamele 22:01
So you’re already getting ahead of the game. You’re so good here. So I want you to tell me, what are three things that you either made people feel or you gave to people? And so my example is you might make people like you said feel happy or fun or connected, or safe? Or maybe you made them feel like energized and manic. Like what were three things? Yeah, look, I

Brandon Handley 22:21
mean, people feel a you know, look, if you’re going if you’re if you’re on just as parties, like you get like, that’s an experience, right? One time experience, probably never gonna happen again. And it’s a life experience.

Mike Iamele 22:34
All right. experiential. We’ve got that 100%

Brandon Handley 22:38
straight bliss, man, right, dancing out dancing all night long. Right. You know, they stop dropping, I don’t know, whatever spelling.

Mike Iamele 22:46
So it’s experiential. It’s bliss. Is there anything else that you wanted to make people feel? I

Brandon Handley 22:50
mean, is active, right? It’s engagement.

Mike Iamele 22:52
Perfect. Perfect. This is great. So now pick a second job. And I want you to tell me a little bit about that job and then do the same thing.

Brandon Handley 23:00
The podcasting, right podcasting, the connections, like you can’t, it opens so many doors, right? Like, I mean, it’s a straight up opens. Like I can call I can talk to anybody, right? If there’s, I literally just interviewed one of my favorite authors a week or so ago. Sreekumar Rao, right? I have a podcast, would you like to be on it? Right? This is my space. This is what I do. And I think you’d be a great fit, right? I mean, so connections and then being able to connect, like you to the audience, right. So So Mike, I’m always on I’m like, I don’t just like Mike, you’re gonna like Mike and here’s why and, and just listen to him. Like, I don’t have to tell you, you’re gonna be able to decide for yourself. Right? So sharing those connections. And what’s left, I mean, it’s just, it’s just fun. Because you get to you get to this, this is an amplifier. Right? The microphone is an amplifier, I get to share my message with the entire world. And if anybody is any, like stratosphere, right? This is like radio waves. It goes all awake, universal man. So communicating my story to everybody that

Mike Iamele 24:09
I love that got universal. It’s amplifying. It’s fun. It’s connecting. Awesome. Got some great language. All right, one more. So the last job Tell me about it and tell me three things that you wanted people to feel from it. And,

Brandon Handley 24:25
I mean, I think bartending was probably just so much fun. And again, like it’s just always about other people connecting with other people being mean that kind of, I guess, you know, and even in like with the podcast, kind of being that that hub, right, that that that kind of generates all that energy to make it all happen.

Mike Iamele 24:46
Mm hmm. I love that. I love that. Okay, we’ve got some good good mapping going on already. But now I want you to take a moment Brandon and close your eyes again. And I want you to think of a really challenging moment. It could be frustrating. It could be And successful, it could even be traumatic, although we don’t want to go into any trauma that feels traumatic to think about right now. But anything that feels like this was a really tough moment in my life. And I want you, you don’t have to tell me what it is, if you don’t want that, I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 25:18
So I think I think I’ve talked about it before, but like, there was a point when I was doing like my fatherhood for the rest of this podcast. And then I got offered an amazing job, right, like a great salary. And I was like, Well, I have to stop focusing so much on this father for the rest of us thing, right, not attached my identity that that I and I realized I was like, Oh, my God, I attached my identity that same time realize that I was willing to kind of throw that away for a bunch of money. So I was kind of battling that. Right. So that was it. That was conflicted. Right. And, and it kind of, it tore me apart in a way that I wasn’t expecting, you know. At the same time, it also made me realize how much I attached my identity to what it is that I do.

Mike Iamele 26:04
Yeah, that’s, thank you for saying I’m gonna try to remember that because it’s something really beautiful. We’ll talk about right after this process. But um, so what do you what did you feel? I know you say conflicted, but what do I mean? Did you feel like you were like, disgusted at yourself or wanting the money? Did you feel angry? Did you feel frustrated? Did you feel blocked or trapped? Like, give me a little bit longer? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 26:25
I mean, I could probably go with like a little bit of of trapped or locked, right? I mean, look, I’m, I’m a family man, when you’re looking for, you know, make given stability to children and my wife and, you know, trying to give them that life. Give them you know, the the white picket fence and all this stuff, right. We’ve been trained very well for this

Mike Iamele 26:43
shot. Yeah, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 26:45
Yeah. So I mean, that’s definitely it was, I think, traps kind of a harsh word. But I definitely felt like you know, I had to do that thing, because that’s what was expected. Right.

Mike Iamele 26:56
So we’re better word be obligated. obligated. Good. Okay, that’s good. Okay, cool. So what, then if you felt conflicted, you felt obligated? What would you have wanted to feel ideal world if you could just magically have the perfect situation? What would you have wanted to feel in that situation? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:12
I mean, it should be easy, right? ease is what you know, ease, there should be no tension if you’re doing the thing that you’re in alignment in life.

Mike Iamele 27:21
Right. Right. So just flow II happening, okay. And maybe agency rights, not obligation, you’re choosing it, you’re just kind of Right, right. I

Brandon Handley 27:30
mean, I’m taking, you know, look like if you just take money out of the whole thing, like in this situation, like, Can you just go do what you want without money? Right, then then it’s easier, right? Like, like, maybe

Mike Iamele 27:41
you’re passionate, right? Because you know what?

Brandon Handley 27:45
I’m a 5050 on the word passion. Okay. I don’t like to flame out on something, right? Because, like you like, you know, what is it? Is it better? What is it better to burn out? Definitely anyways, man, I don’t want to I don’t want to use it. I don’t. And it’s a trigger word, obviously, for me, right? You know, being passionate about something because I want I want to follow it through again, with ease, like, You figure if you’re passionate about something, it’s burning, all that energy is burning up quickly. Right. And, and it has the opportunity to dissipate, but at the same time, it could you know, be the igniter of the fire. But that’s where I’m at with that.

Mike Iamele 28:21
I’m just gonna call it one thing. So I think it’s really interesting here. First of all, you know, anytime we have a triggering word, it’s where we have energy, right? So it doesn’t mean that this is a word that we’re interested in using. But what it means that there’s something in this concept that feels interesting. And I think what’s really fascinating for me, is we’ve talked about a lot of words, the very igniting very, very before we talked about amplifying and energizing for sure, excited, but we want something sustainable. So we just learned, okay for you. It’s got to be a sustainable version of that. That’s great, because all we’re doing is mapping how your mind works right now. Right? All right. Now, last thing, close your eyes one more time. And I want you to think of the happiest day of your life, or one of the happiest moments that comes up. And I want you You can tell me about if you want, but I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 29:09
So I mean, I have to say it was probably when my first son was born. Right? Um, man is just, there’s just nothing. Nothing really compares to that. Right. I’m one of those reasons is, is you know, I never thought I was going to be a dad, right? I didn’t have like a good dad experience. And so for this opportunity to just kind of present itself. I was like, this is awesome, right? I get to be a dad. I was like, I’m not gonna suck at this. Like, that was like the one thing I knew I wasn’t gonna suck at. Right. So I was happy to take that on and to, you know, be able to have that role in my life, you know?

Mike Iamele 29:48
So, you know, and that’s beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. So I know you felt you know, happy. What else would you say? What did you feel in that moment?

Brandon Handley 29:57
I mean, touched right. Like that’s like, you know, we It’s probably you know, if I, if I’m looking back, you know, connecting the dots backwards, I’m sure that I’ve been touched by source like several times, but like it was one of those recognizable times you just like literally feel blessed. Right? And I’m not I’m not I’m not a Jesus guy. I’m not a god and by but like, you know, you feel blessed you feel touched in that moment. So that,

Mike Iamele 30:23
yes, beautiful, and I’m getting the sense that you can correct me from your I’m wrong here. But that there’s a sense of alignment. Like it almost feels like this was meant to be or kinda Yeah,

Brandon Handley 30:32
look, I mean, it’s just there’s no other way, right? I’ve got a friend of mine who’s up in Boston as well, you guys just should connect. He gave me the acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative.

Mike Iamele 30:43
Yeah. Oh, this is beautiful. All right. All right. So you’re I only picked these moments because these are emotionally charged. And we’re gonna get you know, squeezed the most juice out of the emotionally charged moments. For everybody listening, you know, if you go check out that webinar, Mike on mlb.com slash map, it’s a little bit more in depth, but I’m trying to keep it brief for everyone here. So one thing we’ve seen is we’ve seen a huge theme across your life of this feeling, you know, wanting to make people want yourself feeling energized in the flow, a sense of ease, you know, a sense of being touched or blessed by things, connecting and Amplifying Voices, whether you’re, you know, club promoting, you’re amplifying a message or energize people amplifying the voices. When you’re doing that with podcasting, for sure you’re doing that, you know, I’m sure that these are, you know, lessons that you want to send your kids or your child, so you know, helping to energize them helping to amplify their voice making them feel they have a strong voice, and they matter. These are themes that I’ve gone through your life, I’m gonna guess that if you look back to some of those traumatic moments of your life, you might feel there were points where you didn’t feel like your voice could be spread out far and wide, or you didn’t feel energized,

Brandon Handley 31:51
suppressed, for sure,

Mike Iamele 31:53
exactly. And so we’re gonna see those shadows, the exact opposite to what we talked about, they’re gonna start to, you know, to articulate some of the darkest moments of your life. And now we can start, let’s say, all right, and I have with my best friends, yeah, I feel this. I feel like my voice matters. I can speak up, I feel energized, I feel excited this ease this flow. When I talk to these, you know, really awkward people and people I don’t really like I don’t feel those things. It’s

Brandon Handley 32:15
like a blanket, right? I mean.

Mike Iamele 32:18
So what we’re doing here is we’re just mapping your sensitivities, we’re understanding and you can go back and use this work for past trauma. You can use it for healing, you can use it for business building, because now we know all right, you do really well, when you have guests on who are energizing and exciting and alive. You love connecting with people, you love Amplifying Voices of people who matter to you. So you need to make sure that you’ve got guests on that you really believe in their mission, and you’re excited about it, and they want to help amplify your podcast too. And now all of a sudden, start changing the business decisions you make and how you show up. And you asked me before you know about vulnerability and authenticity. For me, if I mean for you, it’s really going to be about showing up with energy and that voice and giving the message because that’s what you do when you’re most authentic. And I just think I mean, this is my shoddy way of doing it with you today. But I think it’s so beautiful when we know that because again, it’s like we turn on the lights. And now we can practice hitting that Bullseye doesn’t mean we’re gonna hit every time, right? We know how now,

Brandon Handley 33:13
right? So now that was awesome, man, I really enjoyed I enjoyed that. And and you know, that practice would be built into your branding, right? So a lot of a lot of times I think that people will be like, Hey, I don’t I don’t know, my art type is right. Or I don’t know what my you know, I don’t know what my niches I don’t know, I hate the word niche. I don’t do niches right. Like and so, or, you know, you know, I don’t want what’s the you know, avatars are dumb man, you know, so. So, this this practice sounds like it, it kind of can substitute for some of those marketing pieces, right? Or branding pieces without robbing the the non marketer guy or girl wrong, right?

Mike Iamele 33:57
Absolutely. Well, I think one thing you said that was really interesting is you talked about how so much of your identity was in what you did. And then podcasting and it’s really hard to let go of. And I don’t think that that is abnormal. You know, a lot of us we do one of two things, the big containers in our lives, our relationships, or jobs, right? Those are the two containers where we’re talking about life purpose, we’re probably talking about one of those two things. And the thing is, those are just containers for those energies to flow that we just talked about. So is your healing. So is your morning routine. So is the way you get dressed. So is the way you decorate your house. So is the way you do yard work, or your friendships like these are all just different containers. And when we are so attached to a container, it means we don’t really know what the essence is, because we don’t think we can get that same essence somewhere else, right? When we know that essence. It’s like, oh, that job went away. Now how can I make my new job? You know, be connecting and energizing and amplifying all these things? And then we’re going to start to look at like, Alright, where am I gonna fight for my voice in this job? Where am I gonna win? What am I not willing? To settle on, and what am I willing to settle on? And that’s really important to me. Because when it comes to marketing, you know, a lot of people think it’s something really different and hard and complex. And the truth is, it’s just another container. I had no plan for this conversation. And you know, sure one of my energies is vulnerable. So I show up and I share whatever it feels called. And I’m zany, and I’m loud. And I like to be crazy and play a little bit. And that is part of how my energy flows. I don’t know, what do you call this marketing right now? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s just me being myself. Sure. So is working with people and so is, you know, getting to teach live and hanging out with my husband and the way I dress? Right? Well, I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:40
not for nothing, right? Like, so I mean, what’s your, your, your, your kind of like zona genius, or, you know, whatever you want to call it is, is, is being able to help somebody get clarity on themselves? Right.

Unknown Speaker 35:50
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:52
Right. Right. Right. And that’s a real challenge. I think that for an individual to go through I think, I think, and this has been my experience, right? I think it’s a real challenge for a lot of people who would like to get into podcasts and YouTube and whatever, you know, the the, is there a name for like, what’s happening like now like, in in the kind of industry, it’s not like just social marketing, but maybe it is right. But the deal is to try and run at it alone can be very frustrating, and especially when they see how easy it is for Mike. Right.

Mike Iamele 36:27
Thank you for saying that. Because I love to, you know, share all my vulnerabilities. Believe me, everything I said earlier, looks graceful in retrospect, it’s not it’s never retro, you know, graceful in the moment. And I think the thing is, you know, we do this work, because this system can run independently of me, like, you can go check out that webinar, you can go, you know, sign up for our course, later on, like, eight works, because everybody thinks they’re all over the place. Everybody thinks, oh, Mike, but my jobs they don’t even make sense. They’re not remotely similar. You don’t know. I can tell you that’s true of me. Right? I work in health care form. And then I’m, you know, this herbalist, and then I’m like the spiritual teacher, I don’t know what the heck I was doing. But you know what, it all boils down to connecting dots. Here’s the thing. I literally align vulnerabilities and people’s zaniness and idiosyncrasies to help to free them from the stories and make them successful and understand that unmistakable ality that my energies told me that they told me what I do, and everyone else’s do your lived experience has the blueprint for success, the blueprint for fulfillment, because you have been successful somewhere in life. Yes, that’s all Yeah, we can map Why then we start to understand your formula. That’s not something exclusive to me. I know people listen, I said, screw you, guy. Like you don’t know what I’ve been through. That’s not I can promise you that because I thought I was the most fucked up of all.

Brandon Handley 37:47
Well, and I think that you bring up a good point there too, once you kind of understand the pattern, right? Once you once you understand how you can connect one or two dots, like you can connect the third. Yeah, fourth, or fifth, right? So going through the work, right, what would you say that means to you?

Mike Iamele 38:09
It’s a bold question. So you know, the work can mean many things. So if we’re talking specifically about sacred branding, which for me, it’s all the same, like the work spiritual work for me is safer branding, because it went about the person going through it like, like, so if somebody’s going through sacred branding with you, and they have to do the work.

Brandon Handley 38:27
Right. What does that mean? So

Mike Iamele 38:29
it means, you know, basically committing to your energies, here’s the thing that will happen. Inevitably, almost every person who’s done my work, will after a year or two years, say, oh, Mike, I went through a monumental shift in my life, I got to redo it, my energies are wrong, I got to redo it. And what’s happening there is not that their energy is wrong, because anyone we’ve done this with wife, kids, anyone over the age of 13, their vocabulary and their conceptualization of language isn’t changing enough for their energies to change. What’s happening is their understanding of those energies is changing. And so what it’s asking for is intimacy. intimacy is when we commit to something and we learn more about it, it’s a lot easier to just run away and try to change say, this is

Brandon Handley 39:11
one more time and intimacy is what

Mike Iamele 39:13
Yeah, when we commit to something and learn more about it and ourselves and when we’re deepening right? If we commit to a relationship, a relationship is gonna challenge us of course, we have to learn about ourselves, we have to learn about our partner through that relationship. But if we every time we get challenged, run away, that’s not intimacy. That’s not commitment. So what doing the work is is actually committing saying, alright, what can this interview this moment right now teach me about aligned, zany, free, unmistakable every fight I have every you know, challenge my life is to ask myself, what can I learn right now about success? What don’t I know about it? And it starts teaching me more about myself. And then we start doing deconditioning because here’s the thing we’ve got a lot of toxic conditioning in our society, both some we’ve talked about on this podcast, but also some we haven’t. And that’s not a That’s not something we’re born with. We were born was

Brandon Handley 40:02
like, What? Yeah, what’s one or two?

Mike Iamele 40:04
I’m talking about misogyny and racism and homophobia. I’m talking about, you know, beliefs about making money and spirituality. I mean, there’s a lot of conditioning out there. And so when we we weren’t born with that we were born sensitivities. So we weren’t born with conditioning.

Brandon Handley 40:19
What’s the deconditioning? Well,

Mike Iamele 40:20
what I’m saying is that if we to know what we aren’t, we have to know what we are. And when we know those brand answers, I used to ask myself, what about this moment isn’t actually vulnerable or unmistakable? What’s wrong here? What do I believe that’s not actually that, and when I can anchor it to something, I can pull out what isn’t that it starts I mean, we do this at the higher levels of the work, but it starts to become a lot easier to say, Hey, you know what, I’m ready to let go of that belief. Because actually, I can see my truth, and I can feel it. And you know, I it’s a sensitivity so I can literally feel it in my body, it’s not just a thought I have in my mind, it’s something that I can feel and you know, at higher levels, we start thinking about, okay, let me feel what successful feels like my body. Now, let me feel unsuccessful. And so when I walk into a room, and my stomach tightens, immediately, I know I feel unsuccessful, I’m gonna say no to that opportunity, it starts becoming intuitive because your body, it’s your senses, right? Your taste, touch smell, it can tell you these things, your thoughts, your conditioning can’t do that, because it’s not really who you are. So the more we start tuning into who we are, we can actually trust our intuition more, we can trust our bodies more. And that’s why we get better at hitting that bull’s eye, right? Because now we know the opportunities that will lead us to success, you know, the flow with the universe. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:32
you tell me, tell me about tuning into your intuition, right? And how, how do you begin to trust that intuition, right? It’s funny, because guys, anybody’s listening to podcast knows that. Nine times out of 10, I’ll jack up a name. and nine times out of 10. I know, I should have asked before we got going. And what’s funny is that, before we got going on the podcast, they like followed his intuition. You know, also something that maybe it not only you know, is has he had the experience of people butchering his last name, but he knew, connected like an intuition to me and said, Hey, do you need to know how to pronounce my last name? Sure. Right. So how do you, you know, how, how do you begin to trust your intuition? And not just in a negative sense, right? Because a lot of people are like, Oh, I shouldn’t do this. And and they follow that to a fucking tee, right? Like, like, Oh, I shouldn’t? If it’s a no, I’ll follow that. Sure. But how do we encourage people to follow their yeses?

Mike Iamele 42:34
You know, I think it’s the same thing we talked about with intimacy before and commitment. It’s really about saying like, Okay, first of all, if my energy is vulnerable, I know that when I am in safe, vulnerable space, I’m going to be more intuitive. I know that when I speak a lot, like I do a lot of processing, just speaking out loud. It’s why I can’t shut up, you’re probably like, Mike Shut up. I can’t because that’s when things start flowing. For me, I know that I know, vulnerable. So what will I do to do that? Well, sometimes I’ll close my eyes when I want to be intuitive to be more vulnerable. And what starts to happen over time is, the more I do it, and for me, it’s got to be in safe space with people I can be vulnerable with, I practice being intuitive for a long, long time with people I trust to like it. So I internalized that vulnerability. Because at first, we think it’s outside of us, right, we’ve got to be in the perfect vulnerable condition. And we’ve got to be in the perfect zany, you know, where people can be playful. But over time, we internalize that sensitivity. And now I don’t care who’s around me, I don’t care if you think I’m fucking crazy, I’m gonna be vulnerable, I’m gonna be who I am. And trust my intuition. And so I think, for me, it really starts with knowing again, I mean, I am obsessed with the brand energies, I’m obsessed with my work because it’s knowing who we are. And then it’s just tuning into that and practicing, it’s throwing at that bull’s eye over and over and over again, until we know we can hit it. But we can’t practice if we don’t turn on the lights. So we need to connect those dots.

Brandon Handley 43:57
Awesome. So you’re, you’re you’re lined up with your purpose, you’re fully charged. Can your purpose change?

Mike Iamele 44:04
So great question. I love you throw the good ones at me. So your containers can absolutely change. And they do change containers, the temporary relationships and your physical body changes your desire for sex changes, your, you know, your home changes, your job changes all these things. But what you want from that, and what you give to that doesn’t change, because that’s your senses that you’ve had since you were born. So I teach classes on your sex intimacy all the time. And people always say this while my body’s changing my desires changing all the time. But sex that’s just about getting off. isn’t all that interesting, in my opinion, like, sure it can sustain us for a little while. It’s not interesting. We always want something specific from sex. It’s to us, we might want a space of vulnerability, a space where we can be playful and explore our deepest fantasies, a space where we can explore submission or dominance or whatever. That’s what we actually want and would probably want to explore that over time. Now, the definition of what that looks like is going to dange vulnerable sex to me today very different than it’s going to be in 50 years. I understand that. But I still know when I’m actually looking for. And so I don’t have to be so attached to the container like you before with Oh, the podcast is the only way I can say that. Yeah, exactly. We let that go. And now we just have the essence. You know, you

Brandon Handley 45:19
bring up a good one, too. In the sex energy piece, I actually had somebody reach out and ask about, you know, why, you know why I might think that, you know, nuns, priests monks, abstain, right? Or even how does sexuality play out in spirituality? Right, is spirituality like? And the question was, was it is, are they missing it? Right, maybe, like, maybe they missed, like, just how the connected in spirituality was. But I think that kind of what I’m hearing you say a little bit too is like, if we just follow our basic needs, like the running as it were, right? That’s not so spiritual. Whereas you can explore these vulnerabilities and make that into a spiritual, evolving experience.

Mike Iamele 46:07
Well, I think what we’re talking about here is empty containers, right, we have a bunch of them in our life, so we can buy beautiful art, or we can shop at home goods, I’m not shaming anything about that. But the Home Goods piece isn’t gonna make me feel something as deeply as an artist putting their intention in because it’s full of assets. And so we’ve got a lot of, you know, like, sex feels good. Most people like sex, but it’s not going to nourish us deeply if it’s not full of essence. So it’s just kind of like, Alright, this is a biological need, I get off, this feels good. And I move on. And now I didn’t have that deeper transformation. I didn’t work through my shame or trauma, I didn’t feel this great, you know, divinity or connection with God, I just thought, that’s cool, but it’s empty. And over time, it’s slowly killing us. Like we live in a world right now, where we are not sensitive enough, we’re not we’re numbing out, right, we have an opioid epidemic going on right now. Um, you know, there’s a lot of whether we are coping through this pandemic, with, you know, food, or drugs, or alcohol, or movies or TV. And those coping mechanisms aren’t inherently bad in themselves, but they can be ways of escapism, and this association, right, for sure. And what I always say is, look at art, great art, when an artist puts their heart and soul on it, it moves us, he can make paintings dance, and spark cultural revolutions and political movements and make words jump off the page. It makes us feel alive, it makes us feel more sensitive. When we feel essence, when we feel someone so tapped into their essence, we become more sensitive, not to them, but to our own essence, because that’s what we grow up that

Brandon Handley 47:38
no, yeah. And you know, that that also brings up the whole idea of, you know, look, our energy fields, right, raising our BB around people that are, you know, high vibe, right? Where is is as long as you and I are like connected in the same way, a kind of vibratory field if I’m vibe and higher, and I’m, you know, strong with that, like, I can help bring you up, right, and vice versa, or transfer transfer feeling without like, craziness.

Mike Iamele 48:04
I mean, it’s basically our vibe is naturally high when we’re fully here and fully ourselves. And so yes,

Brandon Handley 48:10
it’s part like the essence part. I know you said essence like several times, would you would you? Would you? Would you liken that to connected to source

Mike Iamele 48:18
Sure. Exactly. Connected to source, lifeforce energy, and we know what sexual energy if we’re talking about sex, any of these things, essence brand energies, you know, life purpose, whatever you want to call it. I’m not a stickler on language. And I’ve purposely used a few different language in this talk, because I don’t really care. Like I your brand energies are your own language, you choose that yourself, it’s what resonates for you. But when we are fully in our bodies, and we aren’t, you know, a lot of times we have trauma, so half of me is back in this past memory, and half of me is over here and half, you know, it’s like a Harry Potter Horcrux. Right, we’re split in a million different ways. But if I’m fully fully present, I’ve a lot more power here. And so I want to fully be present and sense the world see, taste, touch, hear smell more of the world. And the more I’m tapped into lines and zany and frayed, that’s how I do that. And that’s how I do it for other people. That’s why I love podcasts, because we just get to hang out and activate people make people more sensitive to themselves and it’s so much fun. And so yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:17
percent i think that’s you know, that’s, that’s, uh, you know, what they, you know, I don’t know how many episodes it took me to get to activate somebody right? Like that’s what this that’s what it’s for. Right? That’s exactly that’s what 100% it’s like, you know, looking for one person out there This podcast is for one person to be activated. Right and so like that’s what you just did you just you know, self when you activate it somebody out there congratulations. Yeah.

Mike Iamele 49:40
And yours while they

Brandon Handley 49:43
love it. I love it. Well, man, look, look anybody. I think you got a great feel for what it is that you kind of deliver even though you know you kept saying shoddy. I think that you know it was very well done. had a lot of fun with having you on here and they would be Recognize that if they should reach out to you that they should, right? And where should they go again? Like,

Mike Iamele 50:07
yeah, so Mike iml.com slash map ma p for mapping your sensitivities, and it’s 36 minutes, you get a whole training, you get a worksheet, it’s free. Go ahead and do that, because you’ll start to know your sensitivities.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Who’s your ideal customer?

Mike Iamele 50:21
Oh, gosh, so many. I mean, people use this word for so many freaking things. But I really love people who haven’t felt at home and other spiritual practices, you know, it feels very dogmatic. It feels like they’ve had to internalize a lot of stuff that doesn’t match up to critical thinking. And I, you know, we’re intelligent beings, like, it doesn’t make sense to talk about purpose as achievable, even though we’re told that like, Oh, your life purpose is to be a life coach, or we say that this pisses me off, you join a life purpose webinar, right? And they do one or two things, they’ll say, at the very end, your life purpose is to love. Great, awesome, I’m all about love. How does that help me with my trauma with my relationship with my business in my marketing, that doesn’t help at all, we’ll go the other way. And they’ll say you love writing your purpose is to be a writer. And again, like you if I internalize that, and I did for a while, well, now when I give up my writing job, I feel I have no purpose.

Brandon Handley 51:13
You want somebody to detach from your sense of a day,

Mike Iamele 51:16
right? We see that with people who go through a divorce or get laid off or lose a job or change jobs. You know, we see this breakup all the time, these problems with mostly its job or its relationship containers, when they break down, we lose our sense of purpose. And that doesn’t make sense. So I really like people who actually want to take some critical thinking and say, wait a minute, let me think about this. Let make sense to me. And then feel right to me in my own language. Hmm.

Unknown Speaker 51:41
Nice.

Brandon Handley 51:42
I love it. Well, man, Mike, thank you so much for coming on and being a guest on spiritual dope today. Yeah, thanks

Mike Iamele 51:47
such an honor.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, spiritual dope, what is going on today? Today we are on chapter six. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar? Rao? Again, just just just a great book. We’re on chapter six. This is which addresses this is I’m sorry about that.

Unknown Speaker 0:23
We,

Brandon Handley 0:24
you live in a me centered universe, right? You live in a me centered universe. And we are on part two. And I believe we ended at the end of where we ended up, we ended. There we go, we ended up surrender to the universe last time, right. So

Unknown Speaker 0:49
what we’ve got here are,

Brandon Handley 0:51
we had an exercise, but here’s a couple helpful Hansen. A big part of it. Maybe I said it last time, maybe I didn’t, I don’t recall. But you know, it bears repeating. It’s a consider in when you’re surrendering to the universe, and you’re working with everybody. And when you go forward with your intention, consider an idea that there’s a there’s a resolution where all parts are better off, everybody is better off. Right. And it may not be readily visible. One of the things that I studied over the past couple years is just negotiation. And there’s the the idea of pizza. And there’s two people that that want a pizza, there’s 100% of a pizza, right? But how about the idea that maybe this is a mushroom pizza, and maybe one person loves mushrooms but hates the crust? And the other person only likes

Unknown Speaker 1:46
crust?

Brandon Handley 1:48
So what do you do, we give one person 100% of what they like off of that pizza, right, they get, they get the crust, and the other person gets the entire pizza with, with the mushrooms, right? So you get 200% out of that pizza, then you get 200% of that pizza. And, and both people get 100% of what they like. So there’s opportunity all over the place out there for everybody to get all of what they want. The problem is, is most people don’t take that extra effort to kind of dig into it and figure out what that extra could be for the other person or what is that 100% for the other person. So as we move on, right, so that was a helpful hint for for that as we move on. We go into the idea that his surrender is not a passive experience. There is not passive acceptance, right? You’re not gonna just accept injustice as it comes along. And and, you know, look, there may be times where you stand up, and you stand up for the injustice, maybe you see some injustice at work. And, you know, maybe you rally the troops, and you go to stand up for that injustice, but it doesn’t work out as a matter of fact, for some reason, somehow, you end up getting punished for this adult, the idea is like don’t don’t get, you know, all sad and mopey. And, you know, dejected. Take a look at what you did. Think about what you did well, in that you stood up for injustice, right? You rally the troops, maybe maybe it was the actions in particular that they went awry. Or maybe it was the overall approach. Maybe it was the actual group of people. So maybe next time you re approach it with a different tactic or a different strategy and maybe maybe a different maybe a different set of people. So the other thing is, are you in this is it when you set out to do something that doesn’t work in your favor? Do you need to you need to try and figure out how you can simply let it go with out the emotional baggage. All right, I know that we talked a little bit about just you don’t want to be sad, morose, you don’t want to, you know kind of be attached to that thing. And then, you know, the negative emotions when you can let go of those negative emotions. It’s literally like a force multiplier. Imagine how much weight would be lifted off of your chest. If you if you could just let go of the negativity, right, you’ve got to deal with it. nobody’s saying you don’t have negative emotions. It’s not letting them drag you down and get all mired up in it. So the sooner you can let go of those and and move forward right in a positive manner and positivity meaning forward motion forward momentum, not simply like, oh, everything’s all fucking rosy and cheery. It’s a move forward. Right. And at some point, at some point, it’s gonna feel like the universe is actually working with you is actually dancing with you. It’s such a it’s a kind of a Beautiful Thing when it happens. And when it happens, this goes back to the chapter on miracles and being able to recognize that you are working in tandem with the universe to create these miracles. That’s a beautiful dance scenario. And listen, this may take years, it’s going to take years, I don’t know, most most people, it’s going to take years, it’s going to take time to get better and better and better at it, and perhaps even decades deal is you got to persist, you got to keep up on it. And you cannot fail, right? If this is your approach, if you’re letting go of negative emotions, if you’re working towards the greater good for everybody, then you really can’t, you can’t fail. So it gives an exercise of the other sensitive universe. So you’re going to pick one, you’re gonna pick one week, we picked to one hour time slots, where whatever it is that you do, you were doing for the sole benefit of others involved, right, you’re going to listen actively. And what that means is you’re going to listen, to listen, not to respond. Another way of active listening is, and this is I forget the name of the book, motivational interviewing, really great book that was created for

addictions. And people in rehab, however, is very useful in coaching. And anywhere really, you teaches you how to actively listen very well. So you’ll listen to somebody, they’ll talk, maybe you’ll ask him a couple questions. And it’s a little It is like he Miller’s the author. So one of the things that he recommends, and this is listen for for two lines, and then you’ll kind of reflect back to them. Right? Listen, question, question, reflect back actively, you know, what you just heard summarize it. And there’s different ways to do that. So, but while you’re doing that, too, you will think of ways that you can be of service to them? How can you help this person move forward, again, you know, positive momentum, or, you know, deal with their situation, or just, maybe you’re just there to listen, and that’s okay, too. So you’re going to practice, you can practice this with strangers anonymously, right? You don’t have to tell somebody that you’re doing this and you can you can you think of ways that you can be service to them, and you just go do it. And what you want to do is you want to take me my an eye out of the picture while you’re listening. So, you know, especially those variables, and then don’t just go give everything away, right, don’t just let it all go. Given this comes from Buddhism, and you give with wisdom, right, you know, give with wisdom give with, like, where you you feel like, it’s going to have the most impact and, and that’s one way to kind of approach that as well. Be creative, there’s so many ways that you can go out there and you know, help make somebody’s day or help this, you know, person out and in a one hour time slot. And so ideally each day, you know, so you’re going to do that, right. And then there’s other pieces, so each day, deliberately and consciously do more than one thing to make the world a little bit better. One of the ways that that I found are a couple of ways, especially given our social media nature is hey, you know, go out there and given give out some LinkedIn recommendations, right? Maybe you’ve got a friend that’s written a book, go leave Amazon book review. Maybe you have a friend who’s got an Etsy shop, share their shop, buy something from them. Maybe again, that’s the you know, same for people that have written a book, a friend of yours writes a book, don’t ask for them to give you a copy, buy a copy, support them. That’s what support is support isn’t reading it for free. It’s going out there and you know, how can you support that person and give them some encouragement to help move them forward? I’ll be practical and empathize. Your attitude I’ve got here in parentheses is is actually your approach. So attitude is actually your approach. It is super important to not expect gratitude from others for what you’ve done, rather be grateful that they have allowed you to serve them. Right be grateful they’ve accepted your gifts. You know, essentially with the universe moving through you creative source moving through you has given you the capacity to gift to that person. So you’re able to serve and that is a gift right that they’re they’re giving you a gift by by allowing you to serve each day make someone’s day is another piece of this. Hi, again, I go back to the LinkedIn recommendation somebody on Facebook, so on Insta share their share their post, make a comment You know, show them that they’re not alone and whatever it is that they’re going for and doing. That’s these are super simple ways that you can help make someone’s day friend alien that I’m doing this with, you know, she writes, she writes a newsletter, maybe you get somebody newsletter reply back to the newsletter, and and say, Hey, I really appreciate you know what you wrote here today, thanks for sharing. And oh, I didn’t see it. From my perspective, just a little bit of there are so many I know, there’s so many newsletters out there and so many materials out there. But some of these are genuine and written from the heart and not strictly written to get you into their program. Right. Some of these are true, true things. So what do we got here? That’s one way you can make someone’s day, eventually, you know, this practice becomes a part of your life. It’s not just, it’s not just Hey, I did this for the one week. Now, how many of these can string together? Like with meditation with exercise? How many of these great moments Can you string together in your life? Where it’s consistent, and it’s a steady flow of the universe giving through you to how cool is that, right?

So the idea, though, is that this is true of all the practices in this book. This isn’t just for the duration of going through this book or doing these exercises. It’s for the rest of your life, right? I mean, it says, you know, appearance isn’t something that’s going to happen in days or weeks. Now, that being said, you will notice, like almost immediately the benefits, but imagine, you know, just how great the benefits are in such a short period of time. Right? Well, those benefits be over time. However, there’s benefits pay over time. So it’s common for this is under helpful hands. As we finish up the exercise of the other centered universe, it is common for others to feel dejected, if they do not get the response that they’re looking for. Now, listen, if this happens to you stop, stop at. Focus on how you are feeling. When you do what you set out to do. Focus on how you’re feeling when you are giving or when you are in the process of doing it. Not so much the outcome. Obviously, you want to give the gift you want to serve in some capacity and manner. It’s while you are doing that, that you feel great. And oftentimes, you know, if somebody does react positively, you’re great. And you know, that’s a good feeling. But if if they aren’t responding the way that you feel like they should just stop it, relax, chill. Let’s step back a second focus on what it is that you set out to do. What was your intention when you got out there to go do it and eventually, you will find joy in what you do, and not the results that you get. I think that that bears repeating, you will find joy in what you do, not the results that you get. So there’s always some way to make someone’s day Don’t be lazy, figure it out. And then finally, you know, keep a journal so you can flip back and reflect on how this process has been working out for you. So had to whip through that one wanted to get it out there for you. This weekend will be the release of Sreekumar Rao’s podcast super excited about that, as I have been with so many others in and this is it’s it’s interesting the journey that this podcast is going on. So anyways, take it easy, don’t have a sign off and we’ll chat later.

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