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Take a listen while Christian Bradley West & I talk about spirituality, purpose, relationships and more and how you can implement some of the practical wisdom he shares on the podcast!

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope, and thanks for joining me today I have with me, Christian Bradley West, the country clairvoyant. Um, first of all, I just loved the name. Right. And I think that that’s one of the reasons why we connected um, you know, obviously he’s a clairvoyant in the spirituality space artists, textile artists,

Unknown Speaker 0:28
author

Brandon Handley 0:30
podcaster and Instagram influencer. So, you know, a couple of things that you write in here, right is a, you know, dedicated to facilitate and clear vision with within others, so that they are no longer wandering in the wilderness asking the question is, how did I get here? What am I doing? What is my purpose? Who am I? And you know, you’re like, Hey, I’ll spare you all the brain science focuses on patterns and behaviors. And I’ll let you know, until you I know exactly how you got to where you are patterns and behaviors, right? And then, you know, you kind of say, Hey, I’m more like a spirit guide and a meat suit. Right. So this is a spirit guide me suit. What more do you need to know? Right? You know what, and so thanks for being here today. Appreciate it.

Christian Bradley West 1:19
Thank you. Thank you. And I have to say, I’m one of many. You are here, as well. We’re all booty. Buddhists. They were all Buddhists. Right? We’re all we’re all gods. So we’re all bad in some fashion. Some of us just, I’ve picked up the the staff, I suppose the staff are found in the wilderness and decided to go forward with Sure. Sure. No, I love that. Right.

Brandon Handley 1:41
I think that i think that that’s another part where the word awareness kind of gets tossed in and out, right, like, everybody is

Unknown Speaker 1:49
Buddha.

Brandon Handley 1:50
Right? Yeah. But it’s like whether or not you decide to be aware of it or not acknowledgement even. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, so what I like to start these off with is, you know, source speaks through us, right. And certain conditions and what this microphone is, right, is an amplifier. Right? Yeah. So, sources speaking through you today to specific people that listen to this podcast. What’s it saying? What’s the message that you’re here to deliver today?

Christian Bradley West 2:23
Ah, wow, he put me on the spot. Let’s see what’s coming through. Okay. So one thing that’s been coming through just recently is there’s there’s a lot Okay, let’s go here. There’s a lot of conspiracy theories out there. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of information, right. We live in the information age, there’s a lot of it, right. And there’s any number of different facets. There’s the truth, there’s the lies, there’s all those different things. And of course, people could say, oh, truth is relative, so forth, all that we get into all that talk, but we won’t right now. But we could say all of that. So. But what I will point to is that none of that matters. And you’re like, well, Krishna, of course, it matters. This information, we need this information to live to survive, what is it? What are you What is it? Why does it matter? And I say that because what only matters is the individual, you taking care of you. So there’s could be all that shit swirling around in the world. And it is not directly impacting you on a day to day basis. If it is not speaking to your own practice of awareness, then then really the focus I want now I feel like in my message period is I want people to focus on their own individual awareness, their own individual growth, and their own choices, because that is what drives the collective right. That’s what drives all of the other things. Because each of us is a piece of the whole and whole as a piece. Right. So, so, so that’s been showing up a lot in talks with friends, family, other people. And and I always want to point back to the consciousness of the individual. And yes, there are many things going on. But if we don’t have the facts and figures, then we probably want to just redirect our focus to what is true within us, and how we can participate with that. And instead of worrying about what’s going on in the rest of the world, although to be conscious of it is completely okay. And and to some degree necessary. Not not ignoring any of it, but also realizing what we can do in our daily life in order to contribute without getting caught up in all theories and conspiracies and all of those things.

Brandon Handley 4:49
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, there’s a there’s a lot of conspiracy theory shit out there right now. It’s just like yeah, it’s it’s like 2020 is a perfect storm for Yeah,

Christian Bradley West 5:01
movements around into cue non movement, there’s, there are literally, it feels like we’re living in a, in a, in a an apocalyptic novel, you know like science fiction it really feels that way to me sometimes it’s a little scary and entertaining at the same

Brandon Handley 5:19
time. I know that when it hit right I know I heard you said like you were all packed up and ready to go, right? You’re like, Hey, I did I did my supply shopping. But

Unknown Speaker 5:27
yeah,

Brandon Handley 5:28
when when we started seeing reports, my wife and I started seeing reports of like, you know, shipping rationed at the grocery store. I was like, Alright, we got to go online, we got to order, like we’re hitting up like restaurants, stores in order and stuff. And mind you, like we would have only lived like maybe six or seven days longer than anybody else. Right, but but we have the toilet

Unknown Speaker 5:51
paper.

Brandon Handley 5:53
But it seems like, you know, very apocalyptic. And at the same time, it’s, I think that I think it’s kind of great, because this is like that, that break that the world kind of needed, right? The disruption, like, you know, hey, everybody’s been asking for disruption. Like, we need to disrupt this that the other thing and yeah, you just got disrupted like massively. So you got what you asked for?

Christian Bradley West 6:19
Yeah, right. We were building to it. I mean, technology has been remarkably, art and science has been disruptive, throughout all of human history. And in the 20th century, of course, it essentially came to a certain head and in and it’s still doing, especially technology. Now, it is the primary disrupter. So and now we have, as you just mentioned, the these other impinging. Yeah, and what do we what do we do with it? How do we how do we essentially take the wildfire and use it to benefit? Well, I mean, I

Brandon Handley 6:59
love how you hit on that, you know, let’s, uh, you know, that talks a little bit. So like, I think your outcome is optimizing. Right? Yeah. And let’s talk about that a little bit. But um, let’s give people a little bit of backstory, right. concha clairvoyant. How did he come into existence?

Christian Bradley West 7:17
Well, and this is one incarnation, I’ll say, I don’t know if I will stay here, but it’s one of the titles I always joke. I’m like, Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It’s like I have 1000 titles in this life already. And, and I’m at the end of it, it’s just I am just Christian by the West. But how that came to be, was I oddly enough, without meaning to I had had this dream about being Native American. And then a week later, I found out that I actually had that in my bloodline through my father. And but what also happened is I did a soul retrieval because I grew up on power, the power 10 Nation property in Virginia, which is course related to Pocahontas. I literally live just miles down from Pocahontas State Park. So I grew up on that land. And, um, and had a lot of weird circumstances I always was had, I guess you could say psychic, aware, medium. And so what I did is I came back actually that week, without knowing having the dream I was coming back to Virginia from Georgia, with a dear dear friend who’s also an astrologer psychic, medium person. And he tuned in and he’s like, Oh, yeah, you died on that property. And we went through the whole thing. And so I went back there. And then on the drive back to Atlanta, I had the country live with me, which actually was an idea six months before, but I thought it was a distraction. I was like, oh, whatever, it’s much bullshit. And then like, but the voice was in my head, like, you have to do this. And here’s the interesting thing is that if I would not have started it about two and a half years ago, I would not know what I would be doing to make a living now, I don’t know what I would be doing. Because my books that I had then had been rejected, like, nothing was coming through like, this was the thing. And I’d started account previous, that took me six months to maybe get 1000 followers, and in the first month with this account with the Instagram account, for those that are listening, I had almost 4000 followers. So Beginner’s luck, essentially. And I was like, Okay, I guess this is what I’m doing now. And then it was like, okay, just start doing readings, which I had always done for friends and family, but then it was like, Okay, do this now. And I was like, Oh, shit. So,

Brandon Handley 9:29
so intuition. Intuition was saying,

Christian Bradley West 9:32
Yeah, there’s no Yeah, yeah. Just I, I jokingly say, people could easily probably call me schizophrenia. I’m not, but that they’re like, Oh, you hear voices? And I’m like, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 9:44
We kind of hit on that though, too. Right. Like, I mean, could I listen, my grandmother was schizophrenia, you know, but I went there for the diagnosis. But you know, could it have been? You know, intuition, could it have bad mediumship Couldn’t have been one or any of all these other things. Absolute just improperly received.

Christian Bradley West 10:06
Yeah. And I absolutely think that I sometimes I think there’s a direct line of mental illness with this work. Um, I’ve struggled with it periodically. Because I think when you’re, when you’re walking the margins of society in any way, shape or form, in your thought process, you definitely feel like an outsider. And if you’re getting information, and it’s coming in a quote, unquote, weird way, or odd way, it can definitely be that way. But we not only hear the positive, we hear potentially the negative as well. And sometimes you can get very consumed in those negative voices. And as we know, the collective is full of those voices going back to conspiracy theories and so forth. For so it’s hard to discern. So I think sometimes the mental illness gets augmented as bad or negative, because no one is there to cultivate the listening and how to discern between what’s coming through.

Brandon Handley 11:01
Right, right. And being able to, you know, tune in or tune out, right.

Christian Bradley West 11:08
Exactly. Filter weather, what radio station, yeah, what radio station and my tuning into, sometimes that dial is just all over the place, especially for people who are empathic, and I’m like, okay, the point is to learn what station you want to turn into and where they’re different stations. And that takes a tremendous amount of practice, and self awareness.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Yeah. So so you know, you’re headed back to Georgia, you decide the country clairvoyant, you spin up the Instagram account. You’ve got 4000 followers in a month, and people are probably like, how did you do that? But you basically just spun it up, and you were being your authentic self?

Christian Bradley West 11:46
Yeah, I decided that with his account, I was just gonna throw everything at the wall and see what stuck. Like, I just was like, This is who I am. I feel like I’ve had to learn and modify things within this space, not modify it in a negative sense, but but essentially almost like carving out a sculpture. There’s like, Okay, this, this works, this doesn’t work. And how and really what it is, is same with my writing is how do I refine how I use my voice? What am I saying? What do I want to say? Where do I want to direct this and become more strategic in my awareness of my own message? And it’s, it’s slowly evolving, I decided this will be just a meme account right now. Because I like that a lot of people go in, they change it like, Hey, this is a meme account. And now it’s gonna be a personal account. I don’t know. I kind of like it being little.

Brandon Handley 12:36
Right, right. Right. Yeah. No. So I mean, it is a meme. And it’s entertaining. Right. Lots of entertainment on there. And, you know, I think that, you know, from, from my perspective, and where I’m coming from, I was looking for kind of spiritual accounts that weren’t your everyday spiritual accounts. Yeah. I mean, look, there’s a lot of them out there.

Unknown Speaker 12:57
Yeah. And, and they’re great.

Brandon Handley 12:59
They’re great. But like, there’s, you know, spirituality isn’t all, you know, like, the beads. It’s not all like that, that that stupid dress that every hippie has. Yeah. And yeah, and all that. Right. Yeah. And that’s why I started following some of what you’re putting out there. Right. Yeah. Because I enjoyed it. It’s authentic. It’s real. And it Yeah, it is spiritual. The stuff that you’re saying is like, it’s legit, right? I know, because I got a book of what’s legit and what’s not behind me.

Christian Bradley West 13:33
Call your intuition. Right. Like, it’s

Brandon Handley 13:39
like, yeah, look, it’s you know, I try not to be like an elitist. But sometimes, like, You got it, you got to know where to cut the shit, right? Like, you know, this is like, you can tell some, some things apart from others. And that’s just it.

Christian Bradley West 13:52
It’s about the editing and the curating. And to me, I like to be very practical, to me, spirituality is simply rewiring the brain for more awareness, more openness to to the, to the perceived unknown anyway. And, and, and not getting so stuck in the mire of what have been right and thinking we know already. And we call it spirituality and the you know, if you look back at Hinduism, the Vedas, if you look all the way back to some of the very early spiritual texts, they all talk about, essentially changing your perspective and which which rewires the brain and the more you practice the different perspectives or the different thoughts, or it could be taken even further to live and no thought and allow things to arise from that. Then your life changes, your brain chemistry changes, your body chemistry changes, everything changes, and of course, the way that they taught me Kriya Yoga, the way you accelerate that practice is through your breath work, which is a Kriya Yoga, very separate from hatha because hot is great but Kriya Really is my favorite, because it really displaces it’s a disrupter, that breathwork is a disrupter. And literally, the thoughts, it forces the thoughts to stop. And then you just see them floating up there. And you’re like, Okay, and kind of like a tree you can pluck when you want, you know,

Brandon Handley 15:18
I love that. I love that. So I mean, I love the idea of no thought, Would you say that’s similar to surrender?

Christian Bradley West 15:28
Gosh, yes, I can definitely be an aspect of that. Because the mind very much so wants to assume and judge and categorize and label and detail and, and do all those things, which is a great tool. Again, though, it’s a tool. So either we’re using a hammer and the hammer is using us. So yeah, at some point in time, to essentially surrender the need to be thinking all the time, they need to be figuring out like, last night, I had this emotional state come over me where I was very angry. And I was like, let’s figure this out. And then I thought for a second, I was like, No, Christian, you can’t think your way through this. Let’s breathe our way through this. Let’s accept it to your point. Let’s surrender. Not to the circumstance, but let’s surrender to the awareness of the circumstance.

Brandon Handley 16:18
Right, right now, hundred percent hundred percent. Yeah. You know, in a situation where you’re angry, you know, you’re restricting the possibilities, right? Because you’ve got like this pinpoint, you know, thing or like, Scott, I have in this way, God dammit.

Christian Bradley West 16:35
Right. Or it didn’t happen that way. So God damn right.

Brandon Handley 16:38
Right. Right. Right. So like, like I had, I had, like, you know, the whole universe, and it’s got a it’s got land on this time. And if it doesn’t, I’m pissed as hell. And you’re not open or open to what are all these other possibilities? Right. And yeah, just literally kind of letting that flow through you.

Christian Bradley West 16:56
Yeah, absolutely. It’s good way to put it. Absolutely.

Brandon Handley 17:00
Well, you know, look, I mean, we’re, we are energy, energy currents, right, like, and just this body, the meatsuit. Right. Yeah. And the mind acts as a dam for that stuff, right? We’re like, well, like, I guess I’m just gonna have to stop it. It’s all gonna stay right here. And this is like, yeah, honey type flow. And you they again, you’re just restricted to this, like tiny space. Otherwise, you know, we’ve got the rest of the we’ve got the rest of the universe to work with. And we’re not even trying.

Christian Bradley West 17:27
No, well, and there’s something so there’s two things, the shamans, shamans are often called the hollow bones, right. So they’re the vessel that folds the spirit, whatever you want to say. And then, and then you also have, the way you’re talking about to me and an astrology thing is very Saturn nine way of looking at things from two different sides, which is, there’s a great book that I loved when I was young artists called the power of limits, and it talks about pie and proportion. And and how this this number definitely had a structure to it. But the structure was potentially infinite in its incarnations. And I always love that because to me, it’s like, yes, we’re in the meatsuit. But what how do we maximize the potential of this meatsuit? And and through adversity through potentially, which could be potentially very much so be suffering and certain challenges in life, we begin to recognize what we’re capable of beyond our conditioning beyond the domestication beyond the agreements, we were handed as children. And go Wait, But wait, there’s more. Right? But But how do we do that while maintaining an open space? I jokingly say we’re all walking vaginas for spirit.

Brandon Handley 18:45
Because the receive,

Christian Bradley West 18:46
right, right, because sometimes, we’re definitely there’s a structure to us. But there’s definitely something else and what people don’t realize the spirit isn’t outside. We are spirit, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. So so it’s like when we surrender, we’re not surrendering to something as much as we are, which is the way it looks to people. What we’re ultimately doing is we’re just allowing for our authentic nature without all the voices without allies without their old, old, old the past to get in the way of how we want to be now.

Brandon Handley 19:19
So how did you stumble on that for yourself? Ask me that again. How did I what I’ll just stumble on that for yourself. You know,

Christian Bradley West 19:26
was it was it something I yeah, so when I started very young, I always was I was always drawn to this stuff, which again, astrological look at my chart, it’s like, oh, yeah, you are spiritual as fuck and, and it’s true. I always was. I was always interested in all these weird things like the angels fairies and fantasy dragons, so forth, whatever. And then when I was when I was when I was 14, I started to realize I was gay. And that was very difficult because I was this devote Christian set. Baptist and had chosen that through actually my grandparents who were my archetype of unconditional love in my life. So I was like, of course, like, they’re showing me the way, so I’m going to do the church thing. Sure. And then the other aspect to it was that created so much stress, we all actually moved to Atlanta, at 16. So middle of high school, so I had to leave all my friends. And I developed Crohn’s disease as a child. So those two things kind of coming together. Like a

Brandon Handley 20:32
hydron Collider, right? Yes,

Christian Bradley West 20:33
it was. So those they end also dealing with parental abuse, as well as, as a child and as a teenager, mental, emotional, and physical, became all of those things created such intense suffering for me that I just essentially, that was my initial collapse. And at that point, time, if you want to call them angels, or whatever, showed up, I didn’t know who they were. But I was having these dreams with these beings and these feelings that I was having. And, and so a door open then and then I met started meeting through doing herbs and essential oils and my healing and things like that, because I got off the steroids. I was just done with the anti inflammatories they had me on went completely to herbs. So in those shops, I started to meet people that was like, Oh, I want to I want to get to know these people. What’s going on here? So yeah, so that was the beginning of it all.

Brandon Handley 21:31
So it’s a whole nother space. And so, you know, it’s funny, because you mentioned you’re gay. And and also, you know, you’re doing this clairvoyance. And you’re in the south.

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah.

Christian Bradley West 21:47
Hence the country clairvoyant.

Brandon Handley 21:49
Right. Right. So so for, you know, for for people tuning in, you know, if you’re not from the south, and if you haven’t ventured to the south, I hate to say it, you know, there’s a lot of parts in the south that really haven’t changed in the past 30 to 40 years. So for you to be in the position that you’re in doing what you’re doing, I’d say that’s brave, right, you know, in one sense of the word. But in the other side of that, there must have been, you know, this kind of fear stacked on fear. And I think I talked about it before, like, you know, what happens we like, not only are you gay, you’ve already you’re in the south, but now you’re like, I’m gonna be doing tarot readings. And, boy, and I’m psychic, who wants to hang out? Right? All right. So let’s talk about stepping into that space and what that was like for you.

Christian Bradley West 22:40
So to your point, very much so that I, for anyone that doesn’t know and the ones that listen in probably don’t, um, I come from a fear space and everywhere, so that you may say, like, you walk the path of love or fear, whatever the conscious or unconscious, I always come from the fear. And what I also realize I do is I do everything anyway. So if I feel very compelled and inspired to seek something out or to participate in some way, then I will do it, and nothing will stop me. Nothing. I will, I will go, Okay, this is what I’m doing now. And it’s interesting, because I haven’t dealt even being gay, I haven’t dealt with outside of high school, there hasn’t been any prejudice in my life. There’s never I’ve never stumbled. I also have dated very country, alpha boys a lot, they have tend to find me. And I have I was country boy, myself. So um, you know, inside, there’s, there’s one of those inside of me. So, um, so you know, it’s true. And so I’ve kind of, it’s odd how it’s all worked out. It’s, it’s, it’s strange, I really, I always say, I’m 50% country, 50% city. And so I just I go wherever I’m called. And I find those people, whether they’re in the country, or in the cut, you know, one way to say it, or, or if or if they’re actually, you know, in more urban areas, it’s funny, I feel very binary in that way that I kind of flow between the two. And the fear. Of course, in the beginning, it’s always the, you know, the strongest in the beginning, but I’ve just, I keep pushing past that. And when I started to do this, the fear was, oh my god, I’m gonna be in front of people talking and talking about my my philosophies, my, my own perspectives, and that felt very vulnerable, so that I’ve had to work through that a lot, as well. So have you found it to be empowering,

Brandon Handley 24:45
kind of facing those fears and and stepping into them?

Christian Bradley West 24:48
Absolutely. My perception is it’s always empowering for us because if we don’t turn around and look at what scares us, then we will Stay, what we resist persists. As they say, I find that to be very true. And it’s of great value, that we, that we dive deep, I still dive deep, I still, one thing I’m struggling with recently is wanting to be accepted by the group. I still feel that way sometimes. And if I’m still wanting that, then there’s still ego and be attached to some form of outcome. And so and so and afraid that I won’t get the love and approval that apparently some part of me desperately still wants

Brandon Handley 25:32
a madman No, I get it, I get it. And, you know, this is this is something I actually just did a transformational kind of session last week or the week before with the very same thing, like, you know, yeah, like, what’s your, you know, what’s your hang up? I’m like, it’s belonging, right. Like, it’s just, and that was in the session I did was it was great, right. But you know, just saying, I get the whole belonging part, right. And and so, you know, what do you do with that, right? And it sounds to me, like, Look, you just kind of keep stepping towards it, right? Like, that’s it,

Christian Bradley West 26:05
that’s it, you, you acknowledge the fear, and you go, and this, and I go, fuck you, you do not get to drive the car, right? And sometimes you don’t even get to sit in the backseat, sometimes you have to get in the trunk. And I just say, no, we’re not doing this, I really, I really have to have that conversation with myself. That’s not what I’m doing now.

Brandon Handley 26:27
That’s great. Now that we’re at now, where do you find that kind of impacting what it is that you do, and like, how you getting you know,

Christian Bradley West 26:35
so I show up, I participate. Because otherwise, if we feel ashamed, and we feel like what we don’t have to offer is a value to people. And shame being not I feel bad, but that I am bad, right? There is something wrong with me isn’t how I define shame. Um, and so if we feel any of that, and we’re essentially judging what we have to offer, then we’re doing a disservice to ourselves, but also to other people that might be seeking it. And right now, there’s this explosion of amazing people, like you and so many other people out there who are wanting to provide information to people that can help them on their journey. And if we’re not doing that, then we’re we’re essentially we’re allowing our, the junk to get in the way, and potentially being very selfish because of that, because we want to protect ourselves, right? So stepping into that space of vulnerability to me very consciously, I call becoming available. So I value being available. So I choose the availability and what it’s teaching me is to show up every day, because my inclination has been to go run in my room and hide sure the ad and become very introverted. Sure. And go, No, I don’t want to do that. And what if I get judged for it? And what if people don’t like it? And what? What if I fuck up? You know?

Brandon Handley 28:01
Yeah, no, look, I agree, right? I love that too. What if you fuck up? So what is your life? Right? Like, anyways? Like, you know,

Christian Bradley West 28:09
I cannot is that even true? Because as I as as one of my dearest friends on the planet says, you have to be every bend to be where you are.

Brandon Handley 28:16
Right? Well, I mean, it was funny. We’re getting ready for this podcast. And, you know, we’re working on the lighting and, and getting the video all set up. Right. And, and I didn’t say it, but like, you know, the deal is like it you worked a whole life to get to this point, you know, this is the best you’ve ever loved today,

Unknown Speaker 28:33
right now.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Right? So so I’m not gonna look any better today than you look right now. So, I love that, um, what if I called up so if I call you up for a session, you know, what, what type of sessions am I calling up for like,

Christian Bradley West 28:52
so there there is. There’s really two I I did put on my website, multiple options, but I find it doesn’t matter what you choose, because we will always get to the nitty gritty, we’ll always get to the source of whatever, whatever information is needed. Right now, the tools are different. Some people are more comfortable with astrology, so I can do that. Some people are more comfortable with Tarot. So I do that some people want Oracle cards, or some people don’t care. They just go you have information for me. You can help me clarify something. Let’s do it. Let’s go have a party together. So we do for like an hour and we we talk we throw cards. I always start off with numbers numerology, I don’t know why I’m terrible at math. And the universe is like, Oh, hey, we’re gonna have to do numerology in order to tune into this person. And it is it’s kind of like you giving me your passcode to the Wi Fi or your computer that we get in there. And it’s like, Okay, I see this happen. Like, it’s really,

Brandon Handley 29:54
yeah, it’s an it’s interesting process. That’s cool and use, I think I heard you say like, most of the people, a lot of people are calling about relationships and whatnot,

Christian Bradley West 30:04
relationships tends to be one of the primary, um, one of the primary discussions, one of the primary readings that people want. And it is a primary way that we learn, we, we learn relationally everything in this world is in relationship you’re in, we’re in relationship with our microphones right now with our, with our recording devices, with whatever. So, um, but human relationship tends to cause the most amount of drama, because it is so nuanced, and so and instigate the triggers, sure, that require our attention in any given moment, for our healing, which, from my perspective, the root of the word healing is just hope. So it’s whatever is going to lead us into more homes. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:58
Yeah. No, and I love that right. When your relationship with someone over time they get to know all your triggers, right. Yeah. And, you know, they keep pushing them and to balance with you, you know, that’s where we learn how, where our points are that need to be fixed, right? That’s what yeah, it’s not them. It’s like these are these are your triggers. They’re not

Christian Bradley West 31:18
their triggers? No. Well, and and if you are conscious enough, then you’ll choose someone who’s not going to do it on purpose, or, or maliciously, because some people do that some people will weaponize the triggers, and general use them in order to manipulate or do whatever. And I’ve experienced that in my life. And I’ll and I’ll be like, Okay, this is, you know, you’re operating in this fashion. Can we discuss about this? And, and how can I change it out also in this, like, what’s going on here. And for me, what I realized is a lot of those relationships I had to step away from, because if someone was unaware of their own triggers as well. And, and, and also triggering other people to say, if you, if you don’t heal your wounds, you’ll bleed on others. So it’s important. It’s really important to understand who we are, and then also look at our partners and understand them so that we can be of service to their own process. Yeah, so hopefully, that happens. I don’t see that a lot. But I do see it changing. There are a lot of people out there who are ready to come together. We talk about unconscious coupling, our conscious uncoupling, but most of it is unconscious coupled instead. Right? Right, right.

Brandon Handley 32:37
Absolutely. I mean, look, I can’t I can’t say that. I can’t save the relationship that I’m in now that it was like a, it was a conscious decision.

Christian Bradley West 32:46
No, but it can become that it becomes that like over

Brandon Handley 32:50
Yeah, right. Like, absolutely. And as you kind of, I don’t want to say evolve, like, I don’t like the words evolve. I don’t like the, you know, leveling up or any of that shit. Like, it’s, again, I struggle

Christian Bradley West 33:00
with it to

Brandon Handley 33:02
remembering who you are getting back to your true sense of self, right? Like, because

Christian Bradley West 33:09
we’ll frame it in the way of the physical realm, it appears that we’re expanding or leveling up, it appears that way. But if we’re coming from a space of wholeness, and spirit, and in that spirit of wholeness already, then you already recognize the entirety exists. So you’re not trying to grab something in order to expand or level up, you’re just going, Okay, it already exists. And I’m going through the motions here, of this experience and this physical reality. So it appears that things expand and contract here, but of course, when you’re looking at it from a different perspective, everything already exists. And already is and its wholeness.

Brandon Handley 33:47
Right, so everything already exists. You just got Yeah, I’m aware of it. Right. Like that’s the that’s Yes, the line. That’s the line. What, um, all right, look, I love it. Right. Um, let’s see what else I have for you today. We talked about alkalizing your stuff, right? I pulled that out of one of the podcasts that you kind of mentioned. If someone’s not familiar with a, you know, alchemy beyond transmuting gold, you know, lead into gold added to gold. Yeah, from back in the day. You know, let’s talk a little bit about what does it mean to optimize?

Christian Bradley West 34:18
Yeah, so it’s I also in my very country way, other way I do it is using manure to grow wild flowers. So it’s taking your life’s shit, right? And then consciously applying it going, Okay, what’s the lesson throwing it on the garden? You know, and of course, everyone knows if anyone’s ever had a garden it requires tremendous tending, right because the deer come and eat things or other critters and you have any insects and all that stuff. So you have to tend to it that way. And you have to fertilize it. You have to decide some soils need extra things in order to PR certain plants to grow and you know, so It really it’s about becoming aware of what happened. What was the trauma? What was the junk mean going, how can I use this, for instance, speaking about my relationships, one relationship in particular, the person had been molested and was an alcoholic. And it I started to research more about shame, I started to research more about what healthy relationships look like, as well. I started to research all these things. And it gave me a whole nother set of tools that I wasn’t using. And so yes, that relationship was very painful and heart wrenching, and very difficult to go through. Sure. And I left it with all this information. And now I work with a lot of people who have struggled with those same things either within themselves or within relationships with their partners. And now I say, Okay, here are some tools that I have to try that. So that’s one way outcome is it it’s like, okay, don’t focus on the negative aspects of it. Although acknowledge it, don’t bypass it. Okay, that was painful. That hurt like crap. But but then attend to it and go, Okay, well, well, how can I? What did I learn? what’s the takeaway? What’s that? So in alchemy, of course, you have the fire, right? And the fire burns away everything that isn’t the gold, and you’re left with the gold. And so the alchemy to me is really a process of recognizing the value in every circumstance, and taking that gold and turning into something else. And I also say, from grid into gold, so it’s like, we take it and and we make it our own. But alchemy is the process that we’re responsible for. We also another aspect of alchemy is applying meaning to your own life, and not allowing another person place or thing, some authority outside of you to apply the meaning. You get to decide what that relationship meant, what that circumstance meant, what that event meant to you. And no one else can decide that for you. And in that way, you’re optimizing it.

Brandon Handley 36:59
Yeah, no, I mean, and I think in that situation, too, you become the true creator of your own life. Right? Like, yeah, and you’ve got all the pieces, the bits and pieces and the parts, but at some point, you realize that you are designing your own life, and you’ve got your own meaning your own purpose, your own. Yeah, you know, set of logic that makes it all happen, right? Yeah. And I saw, I love that there was another piece he said to talk about, like linearity, right? None of this is like not linear, right? None of this is linear. So anybody who says like, Listen, all you got to do is go or point A, at the left over here at point B, and you should arrive here at C, as you know, that’s the direction you go linear. What did you mean? Yeah, what do you mean by that, like?

Christian Bradley West 37:45
So I, one way that I, that I described it that I love is if anyone seen the seed of life, in anyone, google it if you if you’re listening, and you don’t know it, so it’s a set of seven circles, right? But they can expand into multiple more circles. And then if you really, if you look at it from a different perspective, it becomes a spiral. So you go around one circle, but then you hit on another circle and sons go around that circle, then you go around that circle, then you are on that circle, and then you go around that circle, then you go around that circle, and then you kind of sometimes hit on some of the things from that you’ve already learned, but then you go around it again. And so it’s, it’s not this straight. It’s not this, what I call vector consciousness, it doesn’t run on a straight line, no consciousness runs on a straight line. That’s essentially also what I would call in computer terms in AI as well, like a current AI is running on one terms, but of course, in AI talk, there’s also something called panoramic AI, which can see the whole picture, it’s not running on a vector anymore. And our consciousness is kind of like that. We start off with this linearity with this vector, okay, it’s one line. And then once we awaken, we start to realize we become panoramic, our vision becomes panoramic, when you start to see all these different circles, all these different things and to your point, um, you stop going, there’s just a dime, you go. There’s so many times there’s so many options. There’s so many ways of going about this. And, and sometimes, like in my healing of my body, I’ve had to target it from multiple ways through exercise, through herbs, through Central oils, sometimes through baths through eating certain foods through things like that. I haven’t healed my gut from just choosing Okay, I’m going to take this one medicine, and it’s going to fix everything, because there is no silver bullet usually. So in the linearity comes the exploration of the experience that

Brandon Handley 39:38
I love that dude, um, you know, just just while you’re talking about you know, healing the gut, right. Did you go through like I Vedic, uh, you know, how did you

Christian Bradley West 39:47
I try that early on. And what what I what has worked. Actually I’ve recently changed it up what has worked recently because I had another bout because I took a lot of animals For a tooth and jaw infection earlier this year, and was disrupted again. And what work this time is I have flooded myself with multiple strains of probiotics or different non dairy because I can’t do dairy. I’m non dairy yogurts, also taking certain probiotics, and also just really monitoring what is going into my body, I don’t eat really greasy food, I tend to do my best to stay away from refined sugars, and just allow anything that could potentially promote inflammation I stay away from, and then anything like herbs like marshmallow and slippery elm that kind of helped the mucosal lining, and we’re gonna sciency in that in that zone to help rebuild it, because the antibiotics kill is good bacteria that kind of helped keep that. So what I want to do is create an environment it was like, Okay, if I killed them all off, right? How do I support their regeneration? Right. Um, and before though, in the past, it’s been just like, bombarding myself with herbs. But, um, but this go round, I was like, I want to be more dynamic. So even in my practice of my life, I’m choosing to operate in that dynamic space, which again, the non linearity has benefited me greatly. And I’m, I say, I’m in the trenches with everyone. I’m over here do.

Brandon Handley 41:34
Right, right. I mean, I mean, none, I don’t think anybody’s like, perfect with all this stuff. Right. And they caught That’s why they call it that’s why I call it practice, right? Like, this is this is your practice, right? This is what you do. And these are the things that you’re doing. These are the habits that you created yourself. Um, yeah. And, you know, they serve you today, like, in a week, they could all fall apart. None of it’s working anymore. Right? Exactly.

Christian Bradley West 41:57
Oh, which has happened, which is happened.

Brandon Handley 42:01
Tanya, so I, you know, one of the things, you know, we see out there, at least, that’s what I see, you know, in this motivational, entrepreneurial, all this other stuff, right, like, stay the course, just keep with it, keep sticking with it, and you’ll make it or whatever. And you know, or don’t deviate, there’s discipline, you got to stick with it, the rigor, yada, yada, yada. And so that can make it difficult to let go of some of the habits that you’ve created, or some of the things that you’ve done. So talk about, like breaking the habits that aren’t serving you anymore, and recognizing that they’re not serving you anymore.

Christian Bradley West 42:33
This is a couple of things here, I say keep going does not mean doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So keep going and staying consistent does not mean that you don’t adapt, you consistently adapt. So that’s what you bring into the fold there. At least that’s been my lesson. And then the other part of it is research shows because I’ve done a lot of research, I’ve researched this a lot myself, research shows that we don’t break habits. So we have these grooves in our brains, right, we create this neural pathway. And what ends up happening is we choose differently. So that old neural pathway essentially grows over and starts to disintegrate as we start using a new one. And I struggle with the term habit, because any habit to me feels unconscious. So the only habit I think anyone needs is to be present and do everything on purpose. Because if you are it breaks the pattern of I have to do it the right way. Because the linearity comes through with the right way I have to do this, I have to learn as you said, You know, I have to follow this structure, I have to do it this way. Well, if that structure is not working anymore, then you become curious about it. And you go, Okay, is there a different structure, and then you start to research and then you start to find that there’s other options. There’s other ways of doing it. And so, And to me, that’s living on purpose. It’s and then connecting it to what we talked about earlier with conspiracy theories is is I say, be a researcher ask questions, because that is going to forward our momentum, with our consciousness and with anything we do. So if for whatever reason you quote unquote, as they say, gets stuck, then the next thing to do is go Okay, am I operating out of out of a habitual mode? And can I change that so again, the and they may be the only habit. The other habit is when you’re operating on purpose in the present is that you’re also adapting. So each moment has its own set of circumstances that are very individual and as unique as the individual approaching them. So it’s of great value for us to recognize what’s useful there because what it’s like another example I use for being very linear is going okay, I’ve been using the screwdriver, you know, to to drew screws, but now it’s time to use a nail. Well, if you try and hammer The nail with the screwdriver, that’s going to be really difficult. So get the damn hammer and stop trying to use the screwdriver and go kind of stuff this isn’t working, it’s like, No, just fine, adapt and locate the tool become aware of the tool that’s going to support you through the process.

Brandon Handley 45:19
Yeah, I mean, I like that a lot. Because, you know, be aware that you don’t have the tool that you need for the process right then and there. Right? Like being being aware that this, this tool doesn’t serve this process. What is the tool that you need? Right?

Christian Bradley West 45:34
Well, and so like I say, on my website, if you can’t see the forest for the trees, then maybe you need to listen to the forest. Maybe you need to feel the forest, maybe there’s a different way of moving through the circumstance that you’re not aware of. Because maybe you’re not supposed to see the forest through the trees. Maybe that’s not the point. Then you then you stop doing that you go, Okay, I need to close my eyes and just feel out what to do.

Brandon Handley 45:58
Yeah, yeah. I love that. There’s another there’s another piece that I’ve seen a lot too is like cleaning your energies by leaning up on a tree, right? type? Yeah. But I mean, there’s so many, you know, so many different places to go with that. You know, you also mentioned, you know, just asking the different questions, right. I’ve recently read a book called, asking a more beautiful question. Right, and just talking about it, but and it gotten to the one point and really what I loved is, you know, talking about when you decided to become like the clairvoyant and really lean into the space, you could have done this, that or you could have chosen another path, right. And one of the questions that he had in the book, and I love it is, you know, which one of these makes a better story, you know, at the end of the day, right? Which, which one of these, which one of these motions do I take in life is going to make a better story? And he’s, like, always choose the one that’s going to have the better story,

Christian Bradley West 46:55
right? Oh, God, I think I have done that my whole life. I think I chose to do that when I was very young and have been devastated by it, but in the best possible.

Brandon Handley 47:05
I mean, you know, I’ll throw it out there. Like, uh, you know, sometimes I’ll pick like, some hotels or motels that I probably shouldn’t, right. But I’m more interested in the outcome, right, like, what happened what’s gonna happen with it when I went to one where there was like, a Stanley Steamer, you know, vacuum van in there, and it looks like there’s probably a murder getting cleaned up. Right. And, and, and when I got up into my hotel room, like the the frame of the hotel door, solid steel, and there was like, dense in there. I was like, this is just a bad idea. And I stayed there anyways. But um, you know, I was showing and sharing pictures with other people are like, Yeah, no,

Christian Bradley West 47:43
you know, I actually, I stayed in a hotel in New York, I stayed in a room that had a murder. I and I, and I had nowhere to go. I had to stay there that night. And I went downstairs and said, I need extra sheets, because somehow the bed sheet had come apart. And there was no bed cover. And the and I knew exactly what it was because I’d seen it enough. The entire mattress was soaked with blood. Kidding me it No, it was it was and it was before I had a camera phone. So it was a while ago. And But yeah, I pulled it back. And somehow and I was like, This is soaked. I say this is soaked through it. But somebody died here. somebody died on this mattress, and they did not get rid of it. Yeah, so anyway, interesting story that I really tell but you

Unknown Speaker 48:36
know, tell stories. Just say

Christian Bradley West 48:39
I was downstairs and I was like, I need to change rooms. Or we need it. I need more linens. I need something to not be so close to this mat dead mattress. And there was no other place to go. And I didn’t want to change hotels and it was too late. So yeah, cuz I’d gotten in like way early in the morning. So yeah, so anyway, so it was an interesting experience. I was like, Oh, crap, someone died on in this bed.

Brandon Handley 49:06
So so you chose the better story like I did with the good out? No, it could have gone somewhere else anything else could happen? And you’ll be like, I was bloody I left but no, you bloody

Unknown Speaker 49:19
does that you do. Um, and that’s,

Brandon Handley 49:21
that’s that’s I mean, that’s to me. I think that’s kind of like that. That’s what makes life kind of fun, though. You know, making this choice. Yeah, like, you know, I could totally go stay at the nice place and that’s okay. Yeah, this is something else like there’s life yeah, there’s life in this place right in this space.

Christian Bradley West 49:37
Try with follow your intuition people. Something says don’t go there. Don’t

Brandon Handley 49:43
know. Are you are you a follow your bliss kind of guy or you know, where do you stand with that?

Christian Bradley West 49:48
Um, I think that gets really tricky because bliss can come from judgment, sometimes what I think is better or best or superior. Sometimes people go Oh, This is better than that. And so yes and no, what I am is follow your intuition. Follow, get very grounded in your own being, and your own authenticity and your values, what works for you, I like to make it very practical, because otherwise follow your bliss can be running from one thing of happiness to the other. And I don’t subscribe. I don’t like the word happiness, happiness, to me, points to the ephemeral pleasures that we experience in this life. And that’s not to say you can’t enjoy them was to say, though, is is to constantly be chasing it is like, is like trying to constantly chase the butterfly, you will never ever get it once you do get it What then? You know. So to me, it’s about creating your bliss, not following it. So you want to create it. And there are tools, which was to do that.

Unknown Speaker 50:51
What’s your favorite one?

Christian Bradley West 50:53
Um, well, we talked about the Four Agreements earlier from what I do. Every time I got your precise moment. I think whatever works, that works for me very early on, I’m actually rereading it. What I like the most about it is I think we only need one agreement with ourselves, which is to be honest with ourselves to be and to frame it in his way to be impeccable with your word. So be aware of the stories that we tell ourselves. So to your point, I’ll say, I’ve made the agreement to be honest with myself no matter what. So if there’s if I feel a certain way, or I’m thinking a certain way, oftentimes, I’ll stop like last night when I felt angry. And so there’s a narrative here, there’s a story, I’m not being honest with myself, there’s a lie living in me, and I want to confront it, and move through it. And record. And usually the lie for me is, you are not a value, your voice is not a value. You weren’t valued and recognized by people and as a child, or you were bullied or whatever. And I still feel very viscerally that way, even though the circumstances sometimes are not there. And sometimes you can be triggered by this lawless thing. And, and some days, I don’t feel it at all. And other days I do. So I just recognize the story. And then I decide to drop it and I go, you know what, I’m the author or authority of my life, right, which has the word author in it. I’m writing this, and I want to write a more peaceful story here. And this doesn’t, this doesn’t. This doesn’t add up. This doesn’t compute anymore. And I say Thank you Next.

Brandon Handley 52:24
Nice. Yeah. So so you kind of you confront it, right? You acknowledge it, and you determine whether or not it’s serving you or not. Yeah. And if not, you’re like, you know, what is my desired outcome? Right? Peace. What

Christian Bradley West 52:38
do I want to do now? Yeah, what do I want to do now? And I wouldn’t even call it a desired outcome. Because desiring peace, to me is the antithesis of having peace, but I just choose it, right? I just say, Okay, this is I’m gonna choose this now, and not even let another story get in the way.

Brandon Handley 52:52
Right, right. What is it? The whole the lady that goes up to Buddha was like, you know, I want happiness or something like that. He’s, like, removed the I removed the want and, you know, just be, you know, happiness or whatever.

Christian Bradley West 53:05
Yeah, exactly. So

Unknown Speaker 53:07
and

Brandon Handley 53:08
then you’ve got, you’ve got some books in process, right, let’s talk a minute or two about the

Christian Bradley West 53:14
lineup, right? Well, my mentor says they’re all the same book. Um, so the one that’s almost finished is is called Zora and the songs of singularity, and it’s about a dog that becomes conscious through nanotechnology, or humans disappear. And she realizes that it’s happened because, and militant AI has destroyed the planet or created an apocalypse. And she has to confront the AI in order to save her humans. So she was like, but just a dog for him. Yeah, kind of exactly. which I love. He said that because today, I was like, Oh, I kind of want to watch the matrix again. So I love you said that. So kind of, yeah, it’s kind of a cry. It’s kind of a doggy matrix. You know, Neuromancer, if anyone has read William Gibson’s Neuromancer, which, by the way, inspired the matrix, and then we’ll crosskeys won’t deny it. And then the other than to the graphic

Brandon Handley 54:07
was that the

Christian Bradley West 54:08
graphic novel or that it was turned into a graphic novel, but it was originally I think, published in 1986. by William Gibson, it’s a wonderful book for anyone’s to read it, it really it was, it was where cyberspace was coined, he really did. And it’s about confronting an AI. But really confronting the people that want to stop it, but it’s an interesting read for those sci fi people out there. But, um, so that that book is forthcoming. Um, I’m finishing this other draft, it started in 2011. Just keep sitting it down and sending it out, and it just keeps getting rejected. So we’ll see if it’s different this time because I reframed it as a young adult, because my other two books are for adults. And I said, Well, why not have it? And as always, it has a spiritual bands. It’s about becoming conscious. And then once you become conscious, how do you use that consciousness? And then the other book, which I’m starting out as a podcast, is called here on purpose. And the podcast name is called, you’re here on purpose. And that’s the spirituality book. It’s just point blank, what my philosophy is, and I, my philosophy being that everything is on purpose. And we get to, but we get to decide that purpose ultimately, within the framework of, of all the other purpose. And so what what is a value at any given moment? And how do we embrace our own value and the significance of the now? Yeah, no, no? Yeah. Yeah. So those are the two and then I have a memoir that’s solely about my own story, because for some reason, I have to get that out of me. I don’t know. I don’t know if anything will come of that. But I’ve already I’m already a fourth of the way done. So I love it. And I think that, you know, you talked about before, like, it’s ultimately it’s about self expression. Right. expressing yourself. Always. That is I love it. Yes. That’s my word. Yes. It’s always about. You know, Rumi said, it’s, it’s not about finding the love, but I think it was me that said it but removing the blocks to it. And I feel like ultimately, what we call love is also just just expression, pure, utter, authentic expression, and we am moving toward that in her life and dropping everything that blocks that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 56:22
Let me get rid of the stuff that’s not serving you. Right. Yeah. So the podcast is coming out when

Christian Bradley West 56:30
the plan is October. And like I said, it’s it’s a devotional kind of daily or weekly. It’s not very long. I it’s just it’s just me. And some meanderings that I see people might might enjoy just thought provoking, just getting people to ask questions that you can easily listen to and 10 to 15 minutes and go about your day. Yeah. Yeah. Does that Thunder?

Brandon Handley 56:59
One of my children? Ah ha ha. like thunder, but different. Um,

Unknown Speaker 57:09
and then, uh, you know, where can people connect with you?

Christian Bradley West 57:12
So you can find me on the country clairvoyant.com my website or Christian be West? And hold on a second apparently. There’s I if I disappeared. phone call was coming through. I’m back. Yeah, so sorry, guys. So yeah, Christian be West, or the country, February’s calm Hussein website, or on Instagram, the country clairvoyant.com or if you Google or look up Christian Bradley West, you can find me very easily on every platform. Um, I’m also on Twitter. I don’t do a lot there yet. I’m kind of in love with Instagram. Mostly. Sometimes it annoys me, but I think our social medias go Yeah, I feel like

Brandon Handley 57:56
that’s a more of a authentic kind of nature to it. Right? I don’t know.

Christian Bradley West 58:00
Yeah, well, people face it, Facebook will stop messing with it. But yeah. Fair enough.

Unknown Speaker 58:08
Fair enough. Um,

Brandon Handley 58:09
any, any parting words, anything that, uh, that we didn’t cover that you feel like should have came out on this podcast,

Christian Bradley West 58:19
the source of all abundance, and is going to be gratitude. If people we didn’t talk about abundance, or the law of attraction, or any of those things there’s a lot of people get into or want to know about, and I just say, grateful, I am completely grateful we’ve had this talk is just delightful. I love doing this. And, and, and from my perspective, maintaining a state of gratitude is serves us

Brandon Handley 58:46
could talk about the word I mean, talk about that, though, is that a feeling? Is it a thought?

Christian Bradley West 58:51
It can be it can be instigated as by thought. My practice is for people. And this is a great place to end on is put your hand on your heart. And then you can think of something that you’re grateful for. But then drop that in, simply feel into the gratitude. And don’t make it contingent on something that you think you need for your happiness. simply move into it, there was a great story of a Japanese a Japanese wise woman and and and a man went to her and said I need to know how to be enlightened. And she gave him this one word that said, Thank you, I have no complaints. And he went throughout the whole way. He went throughout the whole year on this journey and it comes back to a year later and he goes I still am still not enlightened. And I’ve been saying what you’ve been saying every day. I’ve been practicing it. And she said thank you. I had no complaints and he got it. Hmm gratitude disrupts the complainer within us and and opens the way for any number of experiences to present it. Are life.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
Awesome. Thank you so much for being on today.

Christian Bradley West 1:00:04
Thank you my friend. Oh, it was so great. Thank you. Thank you.

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What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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Without watering down your faith.

Great conversation with Cory Walker as we discuss being groomed for church leadership, leading a community… and leaving it all behind as his path diverted from the expectations from others.

http://www.churchbeentheredonethat.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spirits of dope. It is Brandon Handley and today we are on with Corey Walker, who is the author of boiling down your religion without watering down your faith. Cory spent about 20 years being a minister correct me if I’m wrong anywhere in here this but a minister in an Pentecostal, Pentecostal I don’t even know how to say it right. Like I said so in a Pentecostal church and stepped out after 20 years of being in a leadership role and kind of took refuge in his own heart on my call, and the sides live just outside of the church confines and more in like I said, john Hart said about right Corey

Cory Walker 0:53
Davis some sort of modular.

Brandon Handley 0:55
So you know, Cory I always like to say that we are Are vessels of the divine right? The Creator speaks through us. Right. And and when people are turning in tuning into this podcast, they’re tuning in to hear a message that is being delivered through you to them. And my question to you, as we start this thing off is what what is, what is something somebody out there needs to hear today that can only come through you?

Cory Walker 1:26
Wow, great question.

Cory Walker 1:30
Well, there’s several different things. I could go here, but the long and the short of it is don’t be afraid to make a change, if you feel like it, if it’s following your heart. So many of us were raised that particular way. We’re taught what to believe, and taught how to be taught what to think without being really taught how to think. And you if you’re just believing doctrine or someone else’s beliefs, and you’re trying to hold to those instead of actually listening in Your heart towards the divine. And my case, God would be wanting to say to you that you could easily spend years following something that that you end up feeling like you’ve wasted time later on. So don’t be afraid to make a change. I guess that’s my, that’s my off the cuff response.

Brandon Handley 2:16
Sure, sure. I love that. I mean, and you did right, you made the made this change to 20 years and I think the the line that comes to mind is you know, don’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall right through and and that there’s really nothing. And I think that a lot of people are afraid to kind of go chase this thing, but what you’re saying is, even even after maybe climbing halfway up the ladder, maybe you’ve already made it all the way up to the top, but

Unknown Speaker 2:47
it’s okay to make a change. It’s okay to climb

Brandon Handley 2:49
back down and go climb another ladder. Is that what I’m hearing you say?

Cory Walker 2:53
Yeah, definitely, especially if the letter sounds or letters keeping more consistent, like what you’re feeling in your heart. I just know. You know, it’s Been a pastor for so many years, I met with so many people talk with so many other leaders who, who knew how to toe the company line. But in private, they would say, Well, what do you think about this, though, that doesn’t really sit with what we believe and what we teach. But it’s like they had their own private belief system outside of the public one that they were telling everyone else. And you just can’t do that for extended period of time without, you know, driving yourself crazy. Because the inconsistency just couldn’t live that kind of dualism. And so you try to modify what it is you teach and teach the parts of what you have what you’ve learned and believed over the years that still ring true with you, and leave the other parts out of the fact is the whole. The whole last two years, my ministry I never preached even one sermon from the Old Testament part of the Bible, because it seemed to communicate that there was an angry God who was demanding that you behave a certain way. And if you didn’t do you’re in big trouble. And that just didn’t jive with the message of Jesus, which was what’s taught in the New Testament to me, and I understand the theological demands sticks that people do that night to neatly tie the two together because I went to Bible college but that doesn’t mean that the average Joe and common sense of really why don’t we are under grace, why do I have to do and you fill in the blank whatever it is your local church is telling you you have to do in order to be a good Christian.

Brandon Handley 4:18
Sure, sure. And I think the thing is, it’s a shame that Christianity’s you know, kind of been fractured in so many different ways away from the the, the true meaning of the messaging right now. And what the hell do I know though? I really don’t know too much. I don’t I haven’t been involved with too much of it. But what I do know is that when I have a conversation with you know, somebody such as yourself that you know, is really just been immersed in it and and they find Jesus or I think, what do they call it like a, you know, the Jesus consciousness, right? It’s kind of like, you know, one of the things that gets tossed out there is what’s in those books is kind of like truth and from the heart, but how its interpreted and spun back around is either liberal or kind of fit fitting the needs of the organization that’s driving it.

Cory Walker 5:19
Now let’s move on been so true. You know, parts of the specifically if you read the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, telling me all about the life of Christ in His, the economy of Christ, if you want to love your neighbor, pray for your enemies. Love those who persecute you go the extra mile turn the other cheek, those kind of things rang really took my heart, but the way in which the church lives out the teachings of Christ, and that’s them together with with a lot of the old, old covenant Old Testament law type, you know, thou shalt nots, and just the whole organizational structure that’s set up to basically support itself. I just reached a point when I realized that you Man formed these nonprofit organizations that we call churches to supposedly help the members who are the people in their spiritual walk. But somewhere along the way, the organization starts to expect the members to do what’s in its best interest and spin it

Brandon Handley 6:17
around. I would like to I would like to kind of caveat it right. This has been your right. Yeah. So I mean, because there’s that there’s definitely got to be a couple out there. Right. They all Yeah.

Cory Walker 6:29
Yeah. I don’t want to categorize across the board is my experience. Yeah, with the with eight or 10 churches that I was either attending or on staff at over the years, the older the organization, the more likely it is that the the, the principles get minimized, and the traditions get emphasized. And as a result, it’s about self sustaining many times instead of about really bringing life and health to, you know, the average individual and once I realized that then I just took Couldn’t, I just couldn’t myself, continue to be a part of one. And I’ve even thought now that I’m not on staff someplace or a pastor someplace that, well, maybe I should just attend this church or that church, and I’ve stepped into a couple for service here there. And it just doesn’t take long when you’ve been in leadership for a while for you to start hearing the same familiar, you know, course and tone of what it is we’re supposed to do. And it was supposed to is that kind of wore me out, I think.

Brandon Handley 7:27
Yeah, no, that makes sense, right? It’s kinda like all the shoulds and codes that we could be doing. Well, let’s, let’s roll it back here for a second. So let’s tell, you know, tell anybody listening today that, you know, what type of church were you? a minister at and a leader and then what does that even mean? Right, because like I said, we talked about Pentecostals. Let’s talk a little bit about what that is and what that’s built on top

Cory Walker 7:54
of, if you could, sure. Yeah. Well, essentially, within Christianity you have two veins. You have Catholics Protestants. And in the Protestant vein, you have thousands, literally thousands of what we call denominations, which are different or different organizations, like Baptist or Methodist or Pentecostal, different Pentecostal denominations. But the bottom line is, each one of them has a different set of standards and rules for themselves that they believe slightly different than the other ones. And the fact is, all of them would tell you that they were originally formed because some people who were a part of some other organization said, Well, we think we got a new enlightenment or we got just a little bit better understanding. So we’re going to form our own. And so I grew up in those in most of those denominations in America anyway, sit within a category called have called evangelicals, and many times, also called fundamentalists, and those are people who have a belief that there’s a divinely inspired scripture, and in our case, the Bible, and that is to be literally interpreted and applied to your own life and there things in the scripture that I have discovered that just didn’t seem to sit well with literally applying them to my own life as an example that were like there’s a there’s a passage in the Old Testament that talks about one of the prophets, I believe it was Elijah, what could have been Elijah, I was getting confused. And it says that, that these this prophet was walking in the woods and have a group of juveniles it says are teenagers came out and started teasing him because he had a bald head, he didn’t have any hair. And he says that he called down a curse upon them, and a bear around out of the woods and devoured some of them and wounded the others. So this was the man of God that we’re supposed to be you know, maybe patterning our lives after looking up to her as a fundamentalist your thinking was, I could get so special that it wouldn’t be okay for kids to even tease me about my bald head. And if I was upset about it, I could call on a curse upon them and kind of wild animal could come and attack them. Did this didn’t sit well with my concept of God or with my understanding of Christ and his philosophy of loving your enemies and things like that, but yet, fundamentalists have to weave all those stories together in the Bible and all those truths and things that are there and try to apply them to their daily lives just becomes quite a quite a conundrum.

Brandon Handley 10:22
So they’re a fundamentalist, and they’re applying it literally. They’re, they’re not using like that in any symbolic terms,

Cory Walker 10:31
or allegory. Yeah, it’s one of those things. That’s not really how it’s taught. And most of the most of the denominations it’s taught as this was an Old Covenant time where God related to man in a different way than he does now. And so things have been different back then than they do now. And that you know, kind of how we smooth it over and help people feel better about you know, the Sodom and Gomorrah and the gods flooding the earth and you know, everyone but Noah being killed There’s no assembly being killed, things like that. But I remember as a, as a father of young children go into, you know, our evangelical church and just thinking, I don’t want to send my kids to Sunday school because I don’t want anybody to teach them some of these stories. And I don’t even know, I don’t know how the, I don’t know how the Sunday school teachers going to teach them these stories, or they’re going to teach him, you better behave, or God’s gonna get really mad at you, and rain down fire and brimstone on you, you know, or turn you into a pillar of salt or whatever the other story is in the Old Testament. So, you know, fundamentalists do believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture. And therefore those things would not be allegory or symbolic things that actually happened. And God was relating to man, I personally now, I still hold great reverence for the scriptures and find a lot of truth in there. But I just see them as being written. While there’s a lot of truth, they’re written from a man’s point of view. And man was walking in the light that he had at the time and the culture was different, and therefore, even some places like Like even one of the even one of the passages where supposedly Moses wrote the passage, it was handed down through generations of verbal, you know, communication that eventually recorded but it says right in the passage, Moses was the greatest of leaders at all times. So they’re like, let’s he writes about himself for Charlie aggrandized themselves? Or is this really you know, what’s going on? So, it’s just, you know, you just gotta understand that people are just, you know, culture was different back then. And it was recorded from man’s point of view, and not necessarily, from God’s words, to my ears to the pin on the paper type of inspiration.

Brandon Handley 12:37
Sure, yeah, I definitely get that I definitely get that. You know, but I got a wonder too, like, you know, so, this was also, you know, book that was compiled, you know, a library books, right, compiled, you know, way back when, and the translations over time as well. Right. And then one of the things that kind of pops up. I’m a fan of this guy, bill donohue, who, who, you know, has some pretty cool stuff on on YouTube. But he talks about, like, you know, what they were saying then could be real similar to so I’m hearing you talk about this, you know, called the curse and the bear chews them down, you know? And I’m thinking of how he would translate it and say it, it’s how we would say shooting the bull. Right? What was the other meaning of you know, calling that bear down on them? Right, you know, was that the bear within the man coming out and like, kind of raging out against some of those? Those are the types of things right, it’s really kind of a formula and you gotta you gotta wonder exactly, you got to really wonder and kind of play with it because I don’t personally feel like this was a book that was written to instill fear so much. Higher divinity.

Cory Walker 13:51
Yeah, I think it’s it was written, to help us to understand, in fact is to understand what God was like and, in fact, Jesus Himself So as you know, he comes incarnate. It’s like God in the flesh to show us what God was really like. But then he goes around loving the least of these, if you will, and hanging out with people that it wasn’t cool to hang out with prostitutes and tax collectors and all these people the riffraff of the day. And he really makes the religious people are really mad about it, you know, the Thera sees and the sadness is they’re getting all ticked off all the time. Because Jesus not really interested in in hanging with them. He’s hanging out with the least of these. So I think you see, at least from the perspective and the story of Christ that the gods are more concerned about the little guy than he is how spiritual react or you know how much we’ve got our ducks in a row.

Unknown Speaker 14:42
Now, fair enough, fair enough.

Brandon Handley 14:43
So, Pentecostal, what does that mean? Was it meant to mean to be a Pentecostal or Penn is a Pentecostal or Pentecost? Yeah,

Cory Walker 14:49
sir. Pentecostal. Um, yeah, essentially Pentecostalism started around 1900 and it’s a form of denomination several denominations of one of Christianity, that, that believes in the teachings of the Day of Pentecost, which is found in the book of Acts in the Bible. And it talks about a variety of gifts that God gives to man’s spiritual gifts. But Pentecostals focus in on one, which is called speaking in tongues, and it’s one of the more controversial ones. Or if you may have heard of, you know, holy rollers or people swinging from the chandeliers or wildfire, and all this weird kind of stuff in Christianity over the years, and over the last hundred hundred years or so, it’s all about Pentecostals, and it’s about having an emotional experience with God. And as a result, feeling like you’re greater connected to him, and I can really value and understand that desire, though. It’s also very centered around worship, which in modern context is, is the singing and playing of music, to bring reverence to God and to honor God and to talk about how good he is. But it’s all about what kind of experience in a Pentecostal church what kind of experience you can have when you Get together. It makes you feel good emotionally goosebumps on your arms, you know feeling like God’s presence is right there with you in the room. And all this stuff is inside emphasize you know from our kids church, we’re little kids and go into special special church service for them on Sundays right on up through the youth groups run up through the adult service. And so, you know, God really showed up is what we’d say if you felt you know, something emotional happening when when the worship was going on, or when the preacher was preaching or whatever the case may be.

Brandon Handley 16:31
Sure, no, I mean, I can I can definitely appreciate that. I know that actually just did a did a piece on the word numinous. Right? And it really sounds like it kind of speaks to the same type of space right where you’ve got connection with God or an experience. Um,

Unknown Speaker 16:50
and so,

Brandon Handley 16:52
I love I love it. It’s just sounds to me like it may have been

Unknown Speaker 16:56
over over exalted.

Cory Walker 16:58
Now. What came to focus yeah became the focus instead of me being one way to experience God, maybe it’d be the only way.

Brandon Handley 17:06
Sure not and I can I can definitely appreciate that. It’s very interesting. So the you said that there was a number of gifts and one of them speaking in tongues? What are some of the I mean, I don’t know the Bible myself, right. So how does somebody have the gifts that maybe, maybe some people aren’t aware of?

Cory Walker 17:22
Well, the Bible speaks of different spiritual gifts. And one particular case there’s a short list and then scattered throughout the rest of the Scriptures, that mentions other gifts. Like there’s a gift of spiritual gifts of gifting, where maybe God empowers you to make money, so that you can give that money towards his plans and his services. But then the fancy ones, if you will, the gifts that people were always hoping to have were like words of knowledge and words of wisdom, which would mean you’re speaking in a conversation with somebody and you have, I would call it you have a thought drop into your head and you share that thought with them and then boom, they’re suddenly hit. just overwhelmed was oh my gosh how did you know that or or contacts incredible how did you you know have to there’s no way you could have come by this on your own like God just dropped information into my head to share with you know almost on a profit basis and gift the process he was one of those things as well which was kind of speaking on God’s behalf more so than speaking to predict the future but so there’s all these different gifts and you were told you know this The Bible tells you to seek seek spiritual guests especially those that that build build up the body build one another up. But once again and this is coming across like Korea is the the tainted former pastor that is but but it seems like people are always looking for what we have made them look the best because all this happens most of these things I think God intended for them to be lived out in our daily lives. But something in modern Christianity is that we jam. We instead of seeing the churches who we are every day we see the church as a place we go In an event that we attend, so what happens with the spiritual gifts, what’s important is what happens when you get together. And therefore you’re doing it almost on a platform situation where you’re in front of others. And the man’s tendency to want to look good and pride gets in there. And you know, you never can tell what might happen. So, I chose doors. I’m not going to but I can tell stories.

Brandon Handley 19:23
No, I appreciate that. Right? Like so I mean, it as you’re kind of listing these off, right? without me being a member of a church or without me kind of going through the Bible, you know, this gift of giving is something that speaks to me, right, like, if you’re willing to give to others, then it’s my interpretation or my thought process that you know, the universe is going to continue to give to you, right, God’s gonna give you if you’re giving, you’re going to receive, right. And that’s, that’s kind of one way that I look at it, right. And then as you’re talking about these words of knowledge and wisdom, you know, words of wisdom. It can’t But make me think of the Akashic Records stuff. Right? So just kind of linking like different different. Yeah. Yeah. different spaces and, you know, gift the prophecies. I mean, I don’t know. Right. I think that i think that’s everyone, right? I think that it kind of, to me that kind of rolls back up into, you know, speaking in tongues, right? I just got goosebumps kind of thinking about it, right? Like, it rolls back into feeling that emotion and knowing that you’re kind of, you’re speaking your truth, right. But as you kind of roll back all the way back over to here, like, you know, each person kind of comes up with like, their own epiphany is like, oh, I’ve got a better way to explain it, you end up like, many, many thousands of different ways to kind of embrace and feel connected to God. Right. And, and for each person, I think that experience is going to be individual.

Cory Walker 20:50
Yeah, and I think that’s good because you know, a variety of theory, a variety of belief systems and a variety of ways, is a good thing because it allows each person to find The one that connects best with them. My biggest challenge over the years had been the the competitive nature that sets in. I remember growing up and there’s sometimes a god churches, which is the domination I was a part of, and they kind of cost the combination and they didn’t specifically teach it but you know, my wife grew up in the same denomination and both of us had a conversation where just kind of came away feeling like, you know, if you were a Christian, but you weren’t Assemblies of God, you weren’t quite getting it. All right, and, and you probably know that make it to heaven, but he probably wouldn’t get as many accolades as we would, because we were a part of this something of God. And so I went off, I went off to Bible College. I know that that wasn’t specifically taught in any of the classes, but I came away with the same feeling like we’re the elite. You know, we’ve we’ve got it going on. But one of the pastors in the church that I used to serve that used to say, he used to get up a couple times a year before Easter, the week before Easter, and the week before Christmas, and you get up and announce to the whole congregation, hey, you know, there’s people who only go to church twice a year on Christmas and Easter. And he said, You should invite people to come to our church on those days. Because if they’re going to go to church on twice a year, they should at least come to church or maybe something good could happen in their life, no kind of little dig at the other church. And it’s like they weren’t, you know, good enough, or whatever it is that that had crept in to almost every church scenario that I’ve been a part of, and I think it’s just a part of nature of man. Okay, okay.

Brandon Handley 22:24
No, I mean, that’s, that’s all fair. Right. So, you know, for so you’re a part of this for like, 20 years, last couple parts. You know, you just kind of started to fall out of it. And I’ve read briefly through your book. And you mentioned a book where you kind of helped you to kind of start separating away. Right. And you’ve shown it to one of your leaders. And he got it was like, Yeah, I don’t buy into this because it didn’t sound like it match with his way of thinking. Right,

Unknown Speaker 22:51
exactly. So

Brandon Handley 22:52
I’d love to hear a what was the book that kind of, you know, sure. It kind of changed your mind a little bit. What was that book

Cory Walker 23:01
I’m going to try to get the name right here. It’s a misunderstood God, and the lies that religion tells about him. I think the author was Darren Hufford. And he was a former pastor as well. But he was talking basically the same way that I have been, which is that there’s this God who loves you unconditionally, and has, has bent over backwards to make a way for you to connect with them. But yet religion spends a story, that’s something different, that seems undesirable to many people. And as a result, a lot of folks who want to find God don’t think that they can. And it just really started me thinking, the challenging some of the concepts and really, you know, you read a book and something rings true with you on the page and like, Oh, yeah, I’ve been thinking that for years. I just kept having that, you know, those kind of moments as I was reading the book with my wife, and I was like, wow, and then we just dove into, I don’t know, one point time, was right when I first started reading electronically, I had a I had a book reader at the time, and I remember And that period of time over about a year and a half that we digest, like 60 some different books, all around the same topics of church and what God intended for the church to be and spirituality and different things like that. Now, I’m a part of a men’s book group and we read, you know, a book a month and discuss it on Monday nights and we’re reading stuff that’s outside of the vein of Christianity, which I’ve always found to be very interesting because when you read outside of what’s your typical goto and you find the same truth elsewhere, then it starts to make you think that it’s because the author of the things that you hold dear, likely was the inspire some of the other things that you’re finding elsewhere in college. They called it all truth is God’s truth. Doesn’t matter where you find it. It says true.

Brandon Handley 24:50
Yeah, you know, and I agree with that, right. It’s it’s really interesting to find all these nuggets of truth everywhere. Right. It doesn’t really matter what you’re you find yourself reading, you start to see, like you’re saying kind of the same vein of how even movies, you know, show shows I’m watching. I’m like, Is anybody else seeing what I’m seeing here? Because it’s so it’s so obvious to me the story that’s being told. And again, though, it’s really like we started this, we start this podcast off with, you know, Cory, I’d like you to say something that only somebody else out there is gonna hear and understand. Right? It’s it’s kind of like I the way I’m watching that movie, or series, maybe nothing like what it was intended to be delivered. Right? Right. But I’m receiving it in a certain way, because that’s how I’ve set myself up

Cory Walker 25:45
now. But there’s a divine source that’s enter weaving truths throughout all genres and all aspects of life because because that divine source that I like to call God wants us to understand him and understand life. So So much that he’s willing to inspire people that don’t even know that they’re being inspired by them to share truth

Unknown Speaker 26:06
in a way that Okay,

Brandon Handley 26:08
again, like I mean, you know, something’s coming through you being spoken through you

Unknown Speaker 26:12
right now, this moment that

Brandon Handley 26:15
is intended for somebody else not even intended for you, for me, right now even intended for me and I love this. So here’s a really interesting book. It’s called horror, right? It’s called the vital center of man by he was a an analyst, the psycho psychological analyst, but he was also a orthodox, practicing Orthodox Christian, but he also spent time and about eight years with Zen masters, right. And, you know, one of the things that this one Zen masters said to them, was, it never occurred to me to keep keep weight to keep in my head what I’ve read If I mainly read the Bible or Buddhist books and prayers, I find that only such things that agree with my own thoughts. And I think that that’s what you and I are saying here is that when we’re reading now we’re like, the books are almost a mirror to what we’ve already learned and know, right? And this has been spoken back to you. And I find I found that was like, an amazing moment, right? When I read that line, I was like, holy shit, because I told my wife, I was like, everything that I’m reading is everything I’m already thinking of, and I’m just looking for the words to properly express it.

Cory Walker 27:31
Yeah, right. Some people and some people would say that you, you draw to yourself. There’s kind of a supernatural principle that you draw to yourself with as you’re looking for. You know, I just recently bought a different car. And the for my work vehicle and the type of card is I’d never really had thought about getting one before but once I got them then suddenly I see everywhere. I mean, every time I turn around, has fallen down the street. So it’s like, I didn’t look someone else’s got another one of those just like I do, I see it in part. parking lots everywhere. It’s like your mind becomes attuned to that which you’re used to or that what you’re looking for. And I looked for when I decided that’s what I wanted to buy, I was out there looking for him everywhere. And as a result, I’m My mind is turned on to that. I think it’s the same with what you’re saying what it is that you’re thinking and you’re feeling in your heart. And suddenly you start to see it come alive in the pages of books or in the movies or in the newspaper, on television shows or whatever.

Brandon Handley 28:25
It’s everywhere. It’s everywhere. My first my first blog and my first blog and a couple of my first videos was called just a wit You know, this is called the blue car effect. Right You know, they’re looking for a blue car you see him everywhere is exactly what I’m saying. And, and, you know, I often go through just like what you’re saying once you set that question in your mind you know, the answers start coming up for it right you don’t sure we go look and we Google, we do all these things, but it’s almost easier to ask you know, quote, unquote Ask the universe for an answer. Just let it kind of come to you let it show it will show up. Once you have that question for yourself, the answer will show up. Now you can do it again, you can go hardcore and go hit and all the books and put all this pressure and stress on yourself. But chances are, that answer is gonna show up.

Unknown Speaker 29:18
Right? Totally. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 29:21
So, um, you know, so where are you? I mean, what’s it like, now you’ve left? What was the separation? Like, I’d love to hear kind of like what that was like, and, you know, in in that in that scenario,

Cory Walker 29:32
that was like, divorcing everybody that you held dear. Hmm. And having everybody be mad at you, or at least it felt like it anyway. I’m sure part of its interpretation. But you know, when, you know, we kind of we didn’t really spend a story but you know, when we decided to move we moved. We decided to move when we decide to leave church we we moved out of the community we were part of and moved six hours away to a new area, and it had been On our heart to do it anyway. But this new area was very spiritually minded, but not real big on religion. So church attendance is really down here. But you see all kinds of alternative spiritual pursuits going on. And, and that’s kind of what we felt drawn to not that we were going to, you know, go start reading poems or doing something, you know, there was necessarily new age or this or whatever we still consider ourself Christians, we just felt like we wanted to be around non traditional people, because they’d be, you know, they’re not going to be looking down their nose at us because they don’t show up. And so the Pew on Sunday mornings, so it was a difficult time. Even my folks right now still have, I don’t talk about anymore, but I’m sure that they still shake their head like, I can’t believe you know, we raised this young man. And he, you know, felt this call on his life to go become a pastor. And then he did 25 years and now we just build on the whole thing. But what they don’t understand is my philosophy and I shared my book with them, and I hope that they’re gaining understanding but the philosophy is if we are the Church and that is the body of Christ as Christians, and it’s not the building. And it’s not an organization than whether or not we choose to go sit in the Pew on Sunday mornings are not as real as irrelevant. It’s whether or not we’re following the truth of God as expressed through our life and how we treat others on a daily basis. You know, my friend Jeremy messaged me earlier today and he said, What are you doing on this fine Lord’s day? And he was saying a tongue in cheek because for years for a year or so after I stopped attending church, my dad would text me about every few weeks and so on Sundays and say, What are you doing to honor God on this Lord’s day? And I started texting him back and saying, I thought every day was the Lord’s Day. Like we’re supposed to do something special on Sundays, right? But reality was saying, hey, let’s just make every day special and, and how we treat others and, and, and our daily practices is just as important everyday as it is on Sunday mornings.

Brandon Handley 31:56
So I mean, I’m curious. If you You know, kind of going through that separation process, if those are some of the words that you would use to share with others as to why you were leaving?

Unknown Speaker 32:10
Yeah.

Cory Walker 32:13
Most people didn’t ask quite frankly.

Cory Walker 32:17
You know, one of the reasons was, we were moving five, six hours away. So they just don’t know what we do or don’t want or what we don’t do. But the other part was for those who are closer, they grew up in the same kind of fundamentalist belief system. And there’s one particular scripture that says, Don’t forsake gathering together with other believers, as some are in the habit of doing and that that interpreted by every pastor I’ve ever heard, speak meant, make sure you’re in church on Sunday morning. And so when you just choose to say, that’s not, that’s not funny, that’s beneficial. And I don’t want that to be a regular part of my ongoing life, then people just, you know, there’s another practice that just kind of shown you it’s not necessarily intentional. I remember for years People have stopped coming to church and you try to get them to come back and let us not come back. And then you just say, Well, you know, that’s on them, I guess I’ll just minister to the ones who are still here, you know, but you just kind of gave up on them. And there’s a passage of scripture which says, if somebody departs of faith, try to try to turn them back. And then if they, you know, they still claim to be good followers of God, but refuse to do the things which are they’re supposed to be doing. They don’t have anything to do with them. And so I think a lot of Christians have been taught over the years based upon that scripture, that is somebody off the deep end, whether it’s messed up and drugs or alcohol or you know, cheating on their spouse or even just not going to church anymore, that you just kind of don’t have anything to do with them, either. Because somehow it’ll teach them a lesson, or because somehow their disobedience if you will, is going to tank, your spiritual walk. It’s just not a healthy thing. But unfortunately, that’s kind of the way it is a lot of boys.

Brandon Handley 33:54
That’s interesting, right? So, you know, Were you upset at all that nobody asked you You know that you know, get more requests?

Cory Walker 34:02
Yeah, you have a little bit of, it’s probably more grief than anger, just a little more grief, but you invested a lot into relationships, and then people just kind of, you know, part of the move, I’m sure, but that plays something into it. Because when you live six hours away from where you weren’t living, it’s just not convenient to connect in the way that you were before. And if like, oh, Cory and Lisa, his wife just moved off, you know, so Okay, well, I guess we’ll find some new friends. But you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, but I do have several. I have a band of about five brothers that good good men that I’ve known for a number of years and we all stay connected. Fact is, they’ve come down here and visited me multiple times we’ll have a rent a cabin or something and go out on the lake or, you know, sit around the bonfire, you name it, and it’s just been really encouraging time. So.

Brandon Handley 34:54
Okay, so you also mentioned being around people that are spiritually minded, right? What does that what does that mean to you?

Unknown Speaker 35:03
Huh? Yeah, it’s uh

Cory Walker 35:07
it all starts with heart to me. I mean, I’m not a big fan of doctrine, which is philosophies and ideas that we are taught that we follow as much as I am. What’s your heart? How do you? How do you perceive the universe in your case, or God, in my case, is, is wanting you to interact with others? And are you being true to that. And there’s a lot of people around here, even though there certainly would not be considered Christians, by most or even by themselves, that we’re living more of a Christ like life. So how they lived out their heart, then a lot of people that I’ve known in church over the years, because it was about checking the boxes and doing the to do lists, more so than how we treat everybody on a daily basis. So find a lot of people like that and we’re connecting with a lot of them. It’s been it’s been a journey. It’s Rio when you leave behind your paradigm and not just your city, you know, the, the place and the venue in which you were interacting with others is now gone because we don’t attend church, then it becomes really important what you do with your daily life when I’m working with my customers or my friends or working, my kids are working with their co workers or my wife’s interacting with people in the neighborhood, those things become incredibly important because they’re really the only interaction that you have. And that’s where your social life is going to grow from.

Unknown Speaker 36:30
Now I get it. So you know,

Brandon Handley 36:33
I think about Buddhism to one of the big pieces of that is is the community right so sounds to me like you know that that was the community and that was your space. What what are you replacing that with just just work? Have you been able to replace that sense of community anywhere else?

Unknown Speaker 36:55
Have

Cory Walker 36:57
we looked initially first organizations to get into They’re like, Oh, maybe we can find some nonprofit or volunteer this or that or whatever. And nothing seems to be a good fit. And it also is kind of seriously kind of pushing our organizational buttons, because when you’re part of a nonprofit organization for decades, you just learn the politics and stuff that’s behind the scenes. But what I have found Well, if you got time, I’ll give you a quick example. One of my customers just astounds me, I’m a licensed contractor now. I went to do a bathroom remodel. And the day before they, the I showed up, Dave, for I showed up, they were, they found out that his wife had breast cancer, and she was going to have to have a lump removed. And as a result, we were we were just trying to, you know, remodel her bathroom, but she just opened up and shared all this information with man. So I’m sorry, master bathroom. So she’s in there sitting on the bed, and adjacent room looking in while I’m working and just poring over heart and talking to me. And I’m like, well, she didn’t even know I was a former pastor. And I hadn’t even spoken Difficult as a Christian, but I was just listening to what she said, say and kind of just empathizing and trying to help her. And she seemed very appreciative of it. Well, then she goes in for an MRI right before her surgery to make sure that the cancer about spread and it hadn’t. But they found out that her aorta was enlarged, and she’s gonna have to open heart surgery. And so then she A week later, she goes to meet with a surgeon for open heart surgery. And he says, Well, I don’t think this is even operable. And I’d say you’ve got less than five years. And she’s like, Oh, my gosh, so she comes home and she’s just talking to me about all this stuff. And then I just opened the door for us to have conversation about what it means to be alive and what takes place after you die and how none of us really know exactly what that is. But we have to do whatever it is that helps us find peace in the moment. And then I just was able to share with her that I believe in the divine, and that I believe that good things away for us after the fact because because of his goodness, not because of ours and then just loved on her and told her I was praying for her and master if there’s anything we could do to help, and we walked her dog while she was out having surgery and you know, just trying to be a decent human being, and that seems to be more important to me than ever before, because that’s where I’m meeting people. And that’s where I’m making connection. So,

Brandon Handley 39:18
sure, sure. Sounds to me too, like, focusing on the few right, focusing on the present, focusing on the moment. And not not being concerned with like, having to have like, to being good, decent human being. Yeah, right. And does it does it need to be more, but it sounds like your community is kind of like within those that you everybody’s part of your community?

Cory Walker 39:42
Yeah, I always felt like I was felt a little resentful, in fact, because I had this quote, unquote, calling on my life through your minister and it seemed like everybody else had their regular life. And then, and that was it. And I had my regular life and the special calling, which involved me doing all these extra things to go above and beyond. It’s just like, Oh my gosh, how much do I have to give, but now I’m just like, just being a decent human being and your regular life goes a long, long way. And these people we’ve connected with three or four times a year, we’ll have big parties at our house and just invite all my customers and my wife’s friends and different people from the neighborhood over and just, you know, have a chili feed or have this or that and it’s just incredible that people will be walking around living room. So how do you know Cory and Lisa, talking to each other and ask them questions like, wow, we have either been planted here by somebody else, or we have just dropped into this neighborhood and have started to make a difference in the lives of people in our community. And word is getting around the other day. My wife posted I was doing some work on her own house and she posted a picture of me doing the work on her Facebook feed and someone that’s never met either one of us, but who is in the community and is fairly well known. So as you guys are the new power couple. We’re sure glad to have you. Yes, smile. I was like, I don’t know that. We’re Anything special, but it’s good to see that we’re actually making an impact.

Brandon Handley 41:04
That’s great. And I mean, does it feel nice that you’re kind of making this impact without having to feel this extra pressure to do so?

Cory Walker 41:11
Yeah, totally effect is another friend of mine asked the same question a couple days ago. Is it great to be pastor Corey, it’s great to be Cory and still have pastor Corey and I said absolutely candidate, just so much less pressure and, and not having to pour your resources and time and effort into an organization which may or may not be promoting the things that you believe gives you the time and resources to pour into the people that you come across on a daily basis. We were able to help a single mother who was in terrible needy situation a few weeks ago, and we had the money to do it because we weren’t giving 10% of our income to an organization every every week when we got paid, you know, and and for those who believe that that’s what they’re supposed to do. That’s great. I did it for years and it worked for me then but it no longer does. And now I now I look for opportunities to give To help and to be a decent human being to everybody around So,

Brandon Handley 42:04
right, right, I mean, not just not just to the church, right? Yeah, just one specific organization. It’s another, you know, again, you know, I’ve got a buddy who’s a Buddhist Reverend, and he talks a lot to being able to give charity with wisdom, right? And not just not just do it kind of blindly. And yeah, just kind of give away everything just because, but do it with with a sense of wisdom and a sense of knowing that, you know, what you’re giving to is, is from your heart, not just because back to your point to just check a box, right? So, I love that. So, you know, I’m just kind of chuckling to myself, but you know, you know, let’s, let’s say that, let’s say that you’re creating a church. What would that look like to you? Right? What would it be, you know, if you were to spin off, out of all these other thousands of different organizations You know, and maybe you feel like you’ve been touched in a way that maybe some other people hadn’t been? How would you do differently?

Cory Walker 43:08
Well, great question, in fact, is we’ve asked my wife and I’ve asked ourselves this question many times, because one of the things we did not want to do when we left organized Christianity was just to go create a slightly different version of it, that we thought was a little bit better. We just kind of want to set the whole thing aside and try to live out our faith on a daily basis. That being said, you know, when you get up and speak to people on a weekly basis, or maybe multiple times a week for a half your life and then you stop doing it and the largest group to speak to might be three to five people. And that would be on a rare occasion. There’s always an itch that wants to be scratched, to get up and speak to people again. I’ve toyed with potential for some motivational speaking or maybe even a little bit of stand up on occasion, a local club, one of the local clubs turns out just because I have a gift of gab and I enjoy using it but If I were to create something that looked like a church, it would probably just be more like something where we got together on a monthly basis to just swap stories about what was going on in our lives and the good things that we saw taking place. And maybe, you know, 10 or 15 minutes worth of positive, encouraging instruction, towards just being a better human being, that would be the most organized I’d ever want it to be. I’m not renting or owning a facility or you know how to take up an offering or anybody getting a salary from design or anything like that. Just Just humans who consider themselves part of the same community gathering together to recognize that there’s divine presence in our life. And when we follow it, good things happen for us and the people that were around,

Unknown Speaker 44:47
nice, all of that. So

Brandon Handley 44:50
if somebody out there is feeling this kind of divine pull to break away from a life that they’ve always known, you know, how would you How would you want What would you say to that person? How would you help them through that? Right?

Cory Walker 45:03
I’d say give me a call.

Cory Walker 45:06
Actually, my website has a place where you can connect with me if you’re gonna if you’re on that journey, because you’re going to feel alone. And if you just Google non traditional Christian, you’ll get a bunch of stuff that comes up. But none of us really dealt with how to transition out of organizational Christianity at all, was more like, you know, trendy type churches where they have smoke machines and stuff like that, you know, or rock and roll music or whatever, you know, wasn’t really more along the lines of, Hey, I don’t really want to sit in a church on Sunday mornings anymore. And it, you know, I guess, effect is I have several friends who are life coaches, and I’ve done a little bit of myself and I thought on a couple occasions, maybe down the road, what I need to do is make myself available as a spiritual coach to people who are transitioning away from traditional forms of a face into more of a daily applicational living and just Help them walk the journey as someone who’s just maybe a step or two ahead of them down the path somewhere path.

Unknown Speaker 46:05
Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 46:06
love that. Right. Listen, as you said earlier, we don’t know how this thing ends, right? We don’t know what’s on the other side. But what we do know is that today, if we’re living in accordance to living from our heart, if we’re doing what we feel is as good as it can be, you know, then every day you can theoretically you could be in heaven, right? Every day you can live a life that is giving and is the spiritual way. But there could be someone who doesn’t know what it means to live life as worship right. My niggas got something you were saying earlier right? live every day so it was the you know, the Lord say and again, you know, listen, I think that there’s bristles right like, you know, from for people, you say, God, they’re like, Oh, no,

Cory Walker 46:56
there goes yeah.

Cory Walker 46:58
loaded, loaded term. But for

Brandon Handley 47:00
even for me, right, I still I still toy with it mentally. You know, when I write the word God, I do little g just because I, I it’s just, it’s just the whole concept, right there’s there’s a wall in my mind with big G, right, but there’s no wall in my mind with universal or creative energies, all these other things, these are all ones that are free flowing, that mean the same thing.

Unknown Speaker 47:26
Right? To me.

Brandon Handley 47:28
And it’s easier for me to accept it right. So I think that you know, just just just as with you, like, if somebody were on this path, and they were coming out of a traditional church that would be easy for them to gravitate towards you, right? Because you’re got that experience. Whereas like, if it was somebody who’s coming onto this path that was just kind of coming onto this path. That wasn’t such a big g kind of guy, right? Then it might be somebody like me, right, where he’s like, Listen, we’re going to talk in Universal we’re going to talk all these other things, but

Cory Walker 47:56
yeah,

Brandon Handley 47:58
I love I love what you’re doing. There. That I think that that’s, you know, wonderful because they need that right. And here’s, here’s one of the things that I was saying too is is of with, with your, with the Bible with a faith with religion, it’s kind of like a framework for the space that you’ve gotten into is that you know, how, what is your What is your concept or idea that like as as it being the framework, not necessarily the whole building and structure and everything that it needs to be.

Cory Walker 48:29
Yeah, that’s a good way that’s a good way to look at it. I think it’s the skeletal structure and you put the meat in the bones on after the fact you know, it’s not the bumps and beaten in the skin on after the fact you get to build out your faith in the way that you that you can feel good about. Now, I’ve never believed spirituality was just all about feeling good. But the bottom line is, you need to be able I need to be able to live in a way that’s congruent with what I believe and if my beliefs are such that they’re preventing me from Living honestly, with my heart, then I’m just not in a very good place. And so, you know, I think religion is a good place and, and traditional forms of religion are a good place for to give structure for people who feel like they just be lost out there on their own if they didn’t have, you know, some guidance or some set of this or that, to help them down the path. And and I respect that. And one of the things that we believe over lifetime believe when we first stepped out of out of traditional Christianity was that it’s every individual’s responsibility and privilege to figure out what their faith is supposed to look like for them, instead of telling someone Well, you shouldn’t go to church, you know, I’m going to say, Hey, if you’re finding benefit in that, and I think my book reflected that in a couple ways, if you’re, if you’re finding benefit and being a part of an ongoing church, then then do so but if it’s not long, it’s no longer working for you. Don’t be afraid to step away and I just felt like that makes a lot more sense. than the one size fits all, you know, hey, let’s all jennea flex every Sunday or let’s all take communion on the first Monday, first Sunday of the month, or let’s all do this.

Cory Walker 50:10
To me, it just wasn’t it wasn’t working anymore.

Brandon Handley 50:12
Now I get it. I get it. Do you see yourself ever going back into it?

Cory Walker 50:16
Yeah, you know, my best friend. His name’s Jeremy. I think you’ve met him before. But he says. He says, Don’t you wish we could just go back to being good Methodist. Now neither one of us have been. Neither one of us have ever been Methodist. But the sentiment is Wouldn’t it be so much easier not to ask the deeper questions and to follow your heart and just do what you’re told. Just to show up once a once a month or twice a month and show some change in the offering and feel good about checking the boxes. Sure, when neither of us. Neither my wife or I really feel like we could ever take that journey back. There may be some phenomenal church out there that teaches the love of Christ and the grace of Christ without all the shoulds and this open to anybody who wants to come that we just haven’t discussed Get but certainly in our region. To my knowledge, it doesn’t exist. And know, if it does, I’ll ask, I’ll ask the divine Lord of the universe to bring it and drop it in my lap. So that all is there. And it does and I’ll be happy to walk through the door

Brandon Handley 51:15
a little bit. What um, you know, I was like trying to find out some different books or whatnot, you said you went through like 66 books as you were kind of gone through going through, you know, the, the E reading phase, what are what are some that like a really kind of revolutionized your way of thinking as it comes all this stuff?

Cory Walker 51:36
Well, you know, if you’re coming at it from a Christian standpoint, there’s couple good books, one of them’s called organic church. I can’t think of the author right now that is well known. And it just talks about some of the stuff I’ve talked about here today, about how it’s supposed to be an organism that’s supposed to grow on its own. And it’s supposed to be a living, breathing thing that’s made up of people not organ organization. The other one was called patient Christianity, it was a great book. And it talks, it traces all the doctrines that we hold dear today, back to in many cases, their pagan roots and the sense that they’re not, not of God, if you will, not biblical roots, but just traditional roots that go to different different types of belief systems all over the world. And so don’t get so hung up on whether something is biblical or not, you know, because most of what we do in our Sunday morning services isn’t from the Bible, it’s just things that are developed over 2000 years worth of religion so but you know, on the non Christian, if you will side outside of the mainstream, I really love the books like the Four Agreements and, you know, books that just, you know, I’m reading a lot of stuff. Like recently we’ve been rereading for third or fourth time then Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. You know, just a lot of the lot of the stuff that for years in church, we were told not to read because you’re supposed to read Christian stuff, but yet every time I read the stuff that’s not Christian stuff, because by training of my upbringing, I’m seeing all the biblical truth that’s present in the non Christian stuff. Show goes goes back to that the divine wanting us to have truth bad enough, he’s willing to put it wherever he has to, in order to get it into our hands.

Brandon Handley 53:13
Right. I mean, that’s the whole, you know, cast it was a casting pearls before the swine, right? Like, I’m not saying that though, there’s always going to be this wine that doesn’t understand or appreciate the pearl. Right, versus you know, somebody else is looking for those exceptional pieces wherever they go. Yeah, that’s kind of, you know, so I’m hearing a little bit. So I’m curious there too. You know, I would hear stories about like paganism and the story of the cross in Christianity. I’m curious, did the pagan Christianity book did it talk to that at all?

Cory Walker 53:45
Well, the cross it didn’t specifically mention the cross. But we do know from historical documents that the cross was the form of capital punishment that you know, the Romans Jews and the Romans were occupying Israel at the time so Jesus would have died on a cross Because of, because that’s the way that they killed people back then. So that, that, that from what we can tell is accurate, but there’s just so many like even, you know, many of the end just things are so interwoven together and we don’t even recognize it. And I’m just going off of memory. But like even the you know, like today when we give toasts, maybe at a wedding or at a party, and someone raises their cup and gives a toast to somebody, it’s traced back to Communion within Christianity, where Jesus took the cup and said, This is my body is broken for you, as often, you know, drink this as often as you as often as you drink this, remember me. And so a lot of the things that are interwoven throughout our, throughout our culture in our society, can can come from some Christian stuff, and then a lot of the things that we have in Christianity came right out of very non Christian, what we would call pagan societal practices, just as a result of you know, having As the message of Christ spread throughout the world, it would be in and spread into different cultures than it was originally brought to. And result, different things would be adopted. And so that is a great little book called pagan Christianity. And it’s a, it’s a good read. So

Brandon Handley 55:16
thanks for sharing that. And like you’re saying, it’s really interesting to see where something starts and where it ends up. Right? How did it start? And where is it showing up in different spaces in our lives? So thank you. Thanks, man. You know, I think it’s been a lot of fun. I think I really definitely enjoyed kind of going through. For me, Pentecostal stuff was really kind of eye opening, sharing those gifts was also something to me that I wasn’t aware of. Right. So I think that there’s definitely stuff within, you know, Christianity within the scriptures that can really speak and rang true to some people are afraid to go into because of the organizational stuff because of some of the horror stories because of like, you know, you know, like, just your, they don’t want to go in and check off all these boxes, but they do. Do want, they do want to feel, quote unquote closer to God. Right.

Unknown Speaker 56:04
Yeah, totally. And and so, you know,

Brandon Handley 56:08
I think that that’s available to anyone like you’re saying, just kind of go out and seek it for yourself right and see, can you sell fine, right? Whatever. Whatever whatever you’re seeking is seeking you all that jazz. But Corey, thank you so much again for hopping on today. Where should I send somebody who’s going to come? Look for Corey Walker,

Cory Walker 56:29
probably the easiest way is to go through my website and that’s church Been there, done that calm, church, been there done that calm. And while I certainly still believe in the church, I just believe it’s who we are. A church attendance is something I no longer do. So that’s why we named a website that the web the book is available for free download there. And there’s ways to contact me through there if you’re wanting to just somebody to talk to or if you’re wanting to develop an ongoing friendship or relationship you know, that’s the joy of the internet. Now we can find people, even though we may be in the minority We can find people from all over the world that we can connect with who are thinking and feeling the same things.

Unknown Speaker 57:06
Now 100% So, let’s say you started Coreys spiritual coaching today what what Who do you feel like would be your ideal client?

Cory Walker 57:18
Um, you know, people who definitely people who grew up in the Christian faith, but who are seeking who seeks to find benefit in it and or they just can’t, they can’t live with some of the inconsistency is that they’re finding and the faith and instead of getting dumping God all together, if you will, they can find an alternative way to express their fate without having to have the religious aspect of it. That’s probably my ideal

Unknown Speaker 57:45
client. Awesome. Well, guys, if that’s you reach out to Cory.

Cory Walker 57:50
Thanks, Cory. thank thank you so much. Have a good day.

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4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, the voice of a generation. I am on with my good friend, Jeremy Todd from the positive side, you may ask yourself the positive side of what of everything. positive side of everything Jeremy Todd and I, we go way back. So you’ve got the podcast positive side, you’ve got your coaching, you know, just high level executive success coaching, that you’ve been running for years now. And I’ve loved watching you kind of grow that business and continue to grow yourself. And we’re going to talk today a little bit about leading your life from a spiritual angle and doing it so that you’re having a more fulfilling more successful life. How’s that sound to you?

Jeremy Todd 0:48
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Brandon Handley 0:50
show. jacked up and fired up. Yeah. Yeah, I decided that Jeremy I think was my very first podcast and and man We couldn’t GS Remember, we’re trying to figure out how to even like talk to each other. I think you had to record on your side, I had to record on my side on a child, like the cast was terrible. But the conversation was magic. And the magic continues before before we get going, right, so the first thing I like to start us off with is, you and I were conduits for you know, the creative source energy of the universe, right? And when we when we put these podcasts together, when you and I are connecting, we’re not connecting because you and I, like have a good conversation and we like each other. Yeah, it’s because some type of message it’s got to come out of this. And it’s got to come through you by being here today. What’s that message that the university Sangeeta?

Jeremy Todd 1:44
Well, for me, it’s, it’s it’s a message that I’ve been really resonated with recently. I’ve always been resonating with this message, but recently, it’s more important than ever that you know, it’s that authenticity and being comfortable with myself and really being with everybody out there. It’s, you know, the spirituality part. to even be comfortable with that. I think there’s so many obstacles in our way and so many negative things that pop up on a day to day basis in our life with craziness going on. And it takes away from who we truly are. And it takes away our message. It takes away our spiritual spirituality. And you know, I’m tired of it. I’m ready to go the other way. I’m ready to really double down on my spirituality and double down on the positivity. Yeah. Because dammit, I’m tired of the negativity. And the only way we’re going to do it is we’re going to lead from the other side. And, you know, that’s the side I want to be on. I don’t want to be on the negativity side. I want to just, you know, trust and believe in myself with thee with the powers that I have already within that, I think, and they’ve been clouded for years. They’ve been clouded in the now with the craziness. They’re even more clouded. But not anymore. Dammit, I’m tired. I’m sick and tired of this stuff. And you know, we talked briefly before this started about one of the things and again, I’m going on tangent, so I apologize but

Brandon Handley 2:54
other things as a message that somebody needs here. It’s coming through you.

Jeremy Todd 2:57
Yeah, you know, we talked about you know, I’m ready to That book and I’m not here to talk about the book, but really here I’m talking about is the exercise of writing. I’ve never done it. I’ve never wrote more than three pages in my entire life. And now that I’m actually trying to put ideas down on paper, it’s allowing me to go through this process in my head that I’ve never really been able to truly, not only just understand, but comprehend. Because things happen in my life and things happen in your life and in everyone’s life that they’re so hard for us to understand. And I try my small little brain, try and figure it out. And then you know, you lose topics, you lose organization in your own mind, because you go off on tangents, you think about other things. But as this writing process happens, and this is I guess, the biggest thing for everybody listening is write down some of those ideas. I recently had a piece of paper and pen next to my bed. So when I’m sleeping, I get an idea, boom, I write it down. But it’s just being more organized and then being able to revisit that same thought, when I will. When typically in the past, when I would have an idea. I would struggle my way through it or fight my way through it. And another Understand why is this thought in my head right now? And then I’d be done with it, I move on with it, and then it would come back. And then I wouldn’t be as clear as I am. Right. So throughout this writing process process and writing these things down that I’ve gone through in my life, it’s given me a better opportunity to understand, you know, what the meaning was, at the time in my life. Why was it brought to me at that time in my life? And what have I actually learned and where I can build from that at this point in my life? So, man, it’s just in the last few weeks, last few months, I’ve just been really magical. And you know, that’s why it just ties right into this podcast. I was excited to get on the show to really talk about these things and talk about the things that typically other people don’t want to talk about it don’t know how to talk about it, or they know how to talk about it, but they’re scared to talk about it. And I think that’s a bigger thing. How am I going to get judged? Are these Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:44
am I weird? You know, to me, this is a you know this. So first of all, thanks for sharing that message. To me. It sounds like a message of you know, trying to reacquaint yourself with yourself. Yeah, exactly. And it’s also trying to capture Those images that you create in your mind when they’re clear, and they’re vivid, and they’re fresh on a piece of paper so that at least when you come back to them, you capture the full essence of what that image was. And because those, those little flashes of insight are just so powerful. And if you don’t write them down, like you’re saying, when you come back to it, it’s a faded version of what it was when you first saw Yeah, you’re like, this doesn’t seem nearly as potent as it was, like, 45 minutes ago, right? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 5:30
exactly. Or I could completely forget about it. And then I’m like, damn it. What was that idea that I have? It’s so powerful, for sure. Now, I can’t remember it. All right,

Brandon Handley 5:38
that’s Tammy. It’s amazing. Like I’m just like little little short bursts of like, capacitor energy, like, you know, that’s the I don’t know what you know about electronics, right? But uh, so there’s little capacitor there that the energy gets stored in so that when you take a picture with the flash, right, it’s a high burst of energy in that capacitor. Okay. But then it dissipates. And it takes a while for it to fill back up.

Jeremy Todd 6:03
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, this isn’t. And, you know, I just think that the journey that I’m on now it’s one of the most powerful and exciting journeys I’ve ever been on my entire life because this is exactly like that. It’s those ideas that I’ve never been really, really processed throughout, in my own head. And I’ve also mentioned this a lot lately is that, you know, I believe I have all the right answers already within me. But when I’m clouded by the darkness, or the negativity or just being busy, or all the other bullshit excuses, I can put in my own head and give myself away out. It just I’ve never really had the opportunity to sit down and be within myself and work my way through this and discover the answers that are right there in front of me. You know, like meditation.

Brandon Handley 6:44
You know, first of all my own throws out at you right? In this book. I love this book. It’s called a more beautiful question, right? We have been taught to have answers, right. But one thing that we haven’t really been taught well, and I haven’t been taught well, right is how to ask better questions how to ask like those. Sure, deep questions. And if we don’t ask those if we don’t if we don’t learn how to ask, we don’t learn how to kind of do that deep seeking, right? I mean, that’s part of coaching though, too, right? Like the reflective aspect of coaching. I want to I do want to lean back here for a second because you talked about being afraid to lead with like that. That’s spirituality, right with that, because that could be perceived weird. And that was really kind of something I had held myself back with. Right. And I’m super glad to hear like that, you know, you you’ve been looking for a place to have that conversation. You’ve been looking for a place to have that kind of it’s not necessarily exposed, but who can I talk to? That is going to understand where I’m coming from with this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 7:49
Hey, Brittany Haley. Absolutely. Hundred

Brandon Handley 7:51
percent. Right. Absolutely. And, and, and then like, you know, there’s zero judgment from that, too. It’s like, all right, yeah. I hear what you’re saying. And I I agree with, you know, everything you’re saying. And and the question becomes like, Okay, this is where you’re at, just like coaching, right? Where do you want to go? What do you want to do with this knowledge? You know it, right? Yeah. Now it’s, you know, that’s what you want to do. So you’re doing it through a process a book, right?

Jeremy Todd 8:18
Yeah, you know, and I think it’s also understanding and just really have the mental capacity of understanding that, and I love this quote is vulnerability. vulnerability is my strength. By being vulnerable, being who I am and being being weird and quirky, that’s my strength. And I’ve always shied away from that, like, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s maybe not what so and so thinks I am or I don’t want to get judged and all those other bullshit things that come in your head, but at the end of the day, none of that matters. And actually, the more authentic you are with yourself, the more powerful you become. And it’s taken me a long time to even understand that point of it because, gosh, I mean, all these answers that I’m thrown out there within my life, people are attracted to me more now than they’ve ever been because it is different. It’s what people have always wanted to do but they can’t they don’t have the power now they see, you know, they see you and they see me doing it. They’re like, you know what, maybe it’s okay. Yeah, those conversations are awesome to

Brandon Handley 9:08
know. It’s always awesome to you know, and I know that even when I started on the father for the rest of us podcast, I was like, Alright man, step into your power. Yeah. Right. And, and but this is so when I met Jeremy guys, ladies and girls, ladies and ladies and gentlemen, I met Jeremy in person years ago at a, you know, a podcast meetup. And one of the things that stood out to me about Jeremy was, you know, you talked about having to have 100% faith in yourself, and belief in yourself. Sounds to me and you know, I’m not trying to be judged. You’re not though it sounds to me like you kind of got disrupted with some of that, like over the past couple years, right. And that’s been something that’s kind of been eating you away, but now you’re finding kind of a Marie Newell. of this. I’ll call it you know, faith and self, you know, self belief. Is that what I’m here coming? Because I mean, you’re bringing the energy so

Jeremy Todd 10:08
well, there’s no question about it. And I think the biggest thing is, you know, it’s that old saying act as if, And hey, if I’m gonna be honest, completely honest with myself, I’ve always tried to just keep telling myself Hey, everything’s gonna be fine. If it’s gonna be good. I’m gonna be super positive, but I’ve never really dealt with the reality of what I’m actually dealing with in within my soul. So, yeah, yeah, hey, that’s me. And yes, I strive to stay motivated to stay positive. But man, it’s those darker things that I’ve never really faced in the past. And now I’m to a point in my life that I just don’t give a shit. Now. I mean, I just the more and more I self analyze myself, the better I become, and the stronger I become, and the happier I am. I’ve had this realization recently to it, and I’m doing right, a lot of writing about fear. And one of my fears was always about fear of being alone. And I really analyzed that about, you know, there’s two ways, the initial way I looked at that Was selfishly the eagle Tell me why don’t want to be by myself physically, like, like, I always want to have a partner with me. You know, I want to have a girlfriend, I want to be married, I want to have all this stuff. So I always felt like ask me, who what am I gonna do if I’m alone? I mean, how can I take care of myself? So it was all physical. Really the hard part of that one of the what I’ve really understood now is it’s not the physical part of being alone. It’s the mental part of being alone. How can I be alone with myself my own thoughts, I’ve got more time than ever now I’ve actually got to face these things. face these things that have always been right in front of me. All these things that I you know, my self doubt myself. You know, I’m critical of myself constantly. I don’t think I’m this or I don’t think I’m good enough or smart enough. So all these things now that I’ve understood that the fear of being alone wasn’t the physical part is the mental part. And now that I’m facing that part of it, it’s allowed me to grow exponentially. Because as I go through these things, I become happier with myself. I’m becoming my own best friend. Sure. And I think That’s so powerful that you know we always and again this is me, I always thought I had to have that person Sure. Instead of understanding that I’m good enough and I can be my best friend and that was

Brandon Handley 12:10
that I think that there’s a there’s a huge there’s a huge that that’s how we’re brought up man right we’re brought up the chaser relationship once you’ve got that great relationship you become whole type of thing and you know two people complete each other and all this other jazz right but you know, that may be the end and then then the end result but those two people come together I love I think it’s Wayne Dyer that talks about Thank you don’t come together as two halves and create a whole you come together as two people. You’re still two people. Right? With with Yeah, individuality is you got to come together as two whole people, right, loving yourself as for who you are and and before other people can love you. Correct. You

Jeremy Todd 12:55
can’t come in halfway. You got to come in 100% because no one’s ever gonna fill that void. That’s something that’s taking me a long time to really just wrap my head around that concept because I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if it’s just a switch one day. I’m like, you know what, that doesn’t make any sense. I mean, I kind of enjoy being alone, actually. I mean, it’s all good. But man, oh, man, the more you get, you know, alone and you start thinking your way through Why don’t you like little stuff? Jeremy, why don’t you know why don’t you give yourself excuses for not going to the gym? I enjoy the gym.

Brandon Handley 13:25
I heard you know, so here’s what I mean. Let’s talk a little bit about it. I know that I heard you kind of busting your balls on on your podcast about like, you know, setting up excuses for yourself and realizations and you know, your own but yeah, and weighs out more than anything. But let’s talk about you know, endless I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s everybody, right? That’s every human that’s out there does this to a certain degree. What I want to talk about those like, you know, kind of what you’re talking about is is kind of leading with spirituality where you you know, you’ve accepted the power within you, right? Yeah. And, and so let’s talk about What that means to you?

Jeremy Todd 14:02
Well, I mean, it’s almost for accepting the power of me is is tough because I don’t know if I’ve accepted all the power within me. It’s almost like I’m hitting, you know, analogy. I’m going going down a big hill and I still hold my hands on the brakes, not willing to completely let go. I’m going fast. We talked about earlier, take the hands off the steering wheel and just let it go. Right, right. I am. I’m getting closer. I believe in myself more now than ever. And, you know, you know, just to say, you know, I wouldn’t enjoy some wins, and not that I’ve never had wins in the past, but I want to enjoy a win on the spiritual journey that I’m on now. Maybe it is when I get that book out. That’d be a winner in the accomplishment. Maybe I don’t even know what what will it be, but it’s almost like I’m just, this is the path I need to go on. Yeah, I feel comfortable with this path. I don’t know what the end result looks like. But I’ve never felt so good about this path that I’m on that I’ve ever been in my entire life.

Brandon Handley 15:04
So let’s talk. Like, let’s talk a little about, like, so it’s like you’re kind of you’re kind of shading your own light is what I’m hearing. Right? So you’re kind of shading your own light. Because it’s, it’s a little scary to admit that what you feel inside is greater than anything that you’ve ever felt before.

Jeremy Todd 15:21
So exactly, right. Right. It is it is. You know, it’s the self, you know, then you have the self, where am I worthy enough? You know, and these things are just there. And again, I’m not trying to say who was me and but believe me, it’s the positive side guy, you know, I’m all good. But you know, in a different space, right? You’re just so you’re feeling when you dial down deep into it. Mm hmm. start identifying different things. It doesn’t change who I am as a motivational guy, inspirational guy, but it’s this new journey that I love picking this part about just to get better. And I love it. And love is challenging. It’s difficult. It’s extremely hard. And it’s the best challenge I’ve ever been on in my entire life and Because of the decisions I’ve made in my life, they all brought me to this exact point for a specific reason. And I’m excited about where this is gonna go.

Brandon Handley 16:08
Would you call it the serve resurrection of Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 16:11
I kind of feel like that man I really do. It’s it’s doing things that I enjoy doing. If I don’t want to do something, I just don’t do stuff. I don’t know how to even explain it.

Brandon Handley 16:20
But don’t do things that don’t bring you life. Right. Why would you?

Unknown Speaker 16:22
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 16:24
And I think that though, you know, there’s also there’s a precipice here, there’s a there’s a, there’s definitely caveats to this message, right? This is once you kind of step into this space that you’re in, because prior to that people would take that as meaning Well, I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna get wasted. I’m not going to do work yada, yada yada. That’s not what we’re talking about here. Correct. We’re not talking about going out and doing whatever you want. I’m gonna go streak and I’m gonna windows and all this other stuff. You can do that. Don’t get me wrong. I have a blast right there. Done that right. Don’t be a jerk. Um, but talking about, you know, what are the things ones that are fulfilling you right and looking for those and then adding more of those moments in your life is that we’re talking about here

Jeremy Todd 17:07
is exactly what I’m talking about and it’s doing little stuff that I want to do like I you know, I went on that trip to Ireland by myself. Yeah, man, that was the coolest thing in the world but no plans just hit said hey, I’m going by myself I don’t know anything. I don’t know anybody. I don’t know where I’m going but I’m just gonna go do it I’m gonna handle and it was a blast. I’m trying to plan my next trip and this is totally totally off the wringer but I want to go hunting for some reason never been hunting in my entire life. Right. Well, my buddy Dustin bond working you know, Dustin. Yeah, so I’m gonna go out and see Dustin Vaughn warranty and he doesn’t know it yet. But I’m sure to plan a trip down to go go down to Texas and go haul Connie. Nice. I mean, I’ve never shot a rifle before in my life. But it just sounds interesting to go out and and again, I’m not trying to sound horrible but kill an animal. But actually not just killing the same. See, let it like actually consume the animal. And again, you know, hey, I’m eating you know, we all eat hamburger and cheese. And we don’t actually see the beginning process. I mean I’m excited about the the mental journey I go on when I physically kill another animal and then consume that animal. What does that do with my perspective on day to day life with what may go and do you know, whatever, go to the restaurant get a hamburger. No.

Brandon Handley 18:18
It’s a rite of passage for you is What is

Jeremy Todd 18:21
it? Yeah, it’s just something different that I’ve always thought about to see what that process is actually, like, instead of just Hey, I’ll take a hamburger. The hamburger comes you don’t ever see any of that you don’t see the cow Walker? You don’t see it as a baby cow. Come on. Oh my god. It’s so pretty and it grows up and you don’t see any of that. Yeah. And I’m just really trying to get in touch with everything into my life. And that’s just one small area that I can do it and hey, let’s see how it goes. I don’t I

Brandon Handley 18:45
mean, that can be that could that could very well turn you into a vegetarian you never know. Well, because I’ll tell you I had an experience growing up as a kid I got the BB gun and there was sitting in the backyard of my grandparents house. There’s a was like a little bird said On the mulberry tree, right? Yeah. And I shot it, but then when I shot it like there was this thing that kind of just went through me it was so weird, right? Like when you Yeah, you know you’re ending something else’s life that look, we all step on bugs, right? we all we all flesh ticks. But yeah, it has something to do with like this this this bird right and and you know other lives. So you know it’s an interesting it is definitely an interesting experience to take another life and I mean, it’s very different than fishing. Right fishing Yeah, sure, sure. Same thing, but you don’t the same thing, right? You’re taking something out. Take taking something that was natural element and eventually you’re killing it and consuming it. Yeah, right. I mean, there’s no, there’s no way to sugarcoat that’s exactly what you know. But at the same time, it’s really, I think important. What it sounds like is you want to go on or that process and experience it for yourself. I mean, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 19:59
exactly. And

Brandon Handley 20:00
how’s that any different than mine ground beef?

Jeremy Todd 20:05
Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, I would never shoot an animal but I’m gonna go buy chicken or meat. Okay, I have a big have a big steak, okay, hey, I get all that but it’s just something I’ve thought about and I’d be really interested about the spiritual part about that is in how emotional is it going to be for me because I’m a big, I’m a big nerd. I’m a big softy. I mean, I’ll probably cry

Brandon Handley 20:26
like a little baby. I think it’s interesting. Um,

Jeremy Todd 20:28
but you know, if I’m going to kill it, I’m going to consume it. And I’m not going to just leave it out there and just waste it. But I’m also a big believer of everything you eat that you take the spirit of that animal to so the garbage food you do take on that animal spirit and that soul in that process, so if I go out to an animal and kill it, I’m taking on that animal soul. And I’m interested to see how that’s gonna make me feel a little bit differently when I actually eat the meat is gonna be a little bit different, like, the whole process is just something

Brandon Handley 20:59
I’ll never know. Doesn’t, I’m definitely interested to see kind of how that turns out for you. Right. And and the thing is main thing is, is not everybody’s journey is the same, right? Your journey is your journey. And like I said, I’m enjoying, I’m joined kind of the space that you’re in. Because it sounds like you’re kind of at this front end of it, exploring it more, you expose the, you know, call it the light, your spirit, whatever, within you accepted it. And again, now you’re like,

Jeremy Todd 21:29
now what? Yeah, yeah. And that, and that’s, I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer or direct explanation. But you know, it’s interesting, you know, and obviously, you don’t be pretty well in full disclosure, you know, coming out of a long term marriage. And, you know, it’s interesting when you’re in a long term marriage, and again, my perspective, no one else’s perspective, but you begin to and this isn’t all marriages, this is again, I’m just being very vague with this, but you begin to not develop as the person that you truly Are you almost become two people into developing and as one not this isn’t anything wrong with that totally cool. But I feel like I’ve went down that farce down the road for so many years and so long that I’d never really identify with who I actually am because getting married at a young age, you develop each other’s lives through each other through through each other’s experiences and preferences and opinions and, and again, not to say there’s nothing wrong with because it’s shaped me to who I am today. But going through that whole process and now being and again, go back to that fear of being alone. That’s part of this process is figuring out who am I actually, what do I actually enjoy? What actually does scare me? I don’t know those answers yet. And again, I’d love it that I don’t know the answers. Yeah. And I don’t know if I’ll ever know the answers because part of that process of trying to figure it out, develops the person that I truly am going to become Sure. It’s like chasing, you know, chasing the sunset. You’re never going to get But it’s always bright and always looks good and I’m all for it. Yeah, but I mean, but hey, man, I it’s exciting Dude, I I couldn’t be happier. I couldn’t be more excited about the future scared about the future all at the same time. But, man, if anybody out there, listen to the show, it’s just an opportunity to really dive down deep within yourself and figure out who you truly are. And there’s and the other thing about that is not that I have to say, but there’s no right or wrong answer to that. It’s not about I’m the right person or this is the wrong person. I was right. No, right or wrong. It’s Who am

Brandon Handley 23:33
I? The important thing is what you’re saying there is eliminate the judgment. Right? Don’t judge don’t judge who you are. Don’t judge the experience. Just

Unknown Speaker 23:45
be

Brandon Handley 23:47
right and it’s really and again, that’s something that unless and until you do it, it’s a very it’s very, it’s a that’s a very interesting experience. Um, and I you know, I picked that up through headspace, right and meditation and it was like, Don’t judge. It was like it was there was a I forget one of the meditations, but even at the very, very beginning, like, Don’t judge XYZ don’t judge this. And while I’m sure I never thought of myself as judging before, I recognize the difference between judging my thoughts and experiences versus not. And when you’re not judging them either good or bad. There’s like an elimination of like weight on attachment to that, because when you judge something as good or bad, you’re investing emotional energy into that. And that’s a hook.

Jeremy Todd 24:33
Yeah, that’s well said. I mean, you’re exactly right. Because when you use explain to court exactly perfect, because when you do put those emotions on things, they are heavy, and you don’t need to put any emotion on them. These are the things that have happened. These This is what the decisions I’ve made in my past. This is who I am not right, they’re not wrong. And it’s interesting when you talk about judging people because we’re judging. The first thing you always automatically is thinking about judging other people, but the first person you can’t judge yourself. And we always skip ourselves, you know, it’s like, oh, man, I’m gonna judge that person. I won’t judge that person. But this person, we got to not judge ourselves and what has brought us to this point in our life is all the good decisions and the quote unquote bad decisions.

Brandon Handley 25:14
Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, you know, what I kind of what I kind of got it down to was, you know, I tried really hard and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Right, and, and growing up, and the things that I did the things that I put in my body, the experiences I put myself through, and if I’m still here today, yeah, there’s a reason. Reason. Yeah. And so I’m exploring that my purpose changes. My purpose changes the month the meanings change, but I investigate that right. I investigate that and it sounds like again, this is kind of where you’re at, right? You’re investigating Jeremy’s purpose. You’re investigating Jeremy’s self identity. And I’d like to, you know, separate those two words. myself right your yourself those are two separate words right those are two ways now when you separate those two words and you break down what is your self that’s your inner being I mean you look up the dictionary self is like your inner being right yeah and and so that’s the piece that gets so neglected man and you know we show up in our you know late later ages nothing is all beat the hell it’s like it’s like it’s like you show up with a used car lot there’s the one that’s like got leftover because because they didn’t even want to take this wasn’t one it’s another

Unknown Speaker 26:33
is yeah

Brandon Handley 26:36
nothing left on it right. And now we’re like, I can resurrect this bitch. Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 26:41
yeah hundred percent. Well I think one of the biggest things like you were talking about there is that when when you are 100% comfortable with yourself. It gives you the ability to when other people come into your area. If you have a high level of your you know, your energies are super high. And then they’re clean too, because you can have a high energy and not even understand your high energy. So when you’re high energy and you’ve cleaned you have got no clouds of your head, and then someone else comes, approaches you you can sense their energies in one second. You know exactly what’s going on. Hey, I can tell you’re going through some stuff What’s up? No, I’m not. Yeah, er, because I can feel it.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
Right, right. And then

Jeremy Todd 27:20
all of a sudden it starts spewing all these things that’s going on because when you’re super, super clean, and you have that high energy, man, you just see life differently. That’s a different perspective. There’s a lot of things that come to you that you’re Yeah, you’re blank, your brain would block before but now it doesn’t block cc more you’re more aware you’re more alert and you just see the world in different way. It’s it’s powerful. It’s it’s the same as

Brandon Handley 27:45
saying the two is when you kind of release the fear and come at it with a clean energy. You’re open and receptive things because you’re you’re not goes back to judgment. You’re not cringing yourself. You’re not afraid of that person. Because you’re good with who you are

Jeremy Todd 28:03
correct? Yeah, you know, it’s so funny having conversations with people now that you male, female, whatever the case is, and they don’t want to tell you a story. I don’t want to tell you that because I don’t want you to think of me as this. I truly would never think of any differently than what we have right here. Right? I don’t care what you did in your past. I don’t care what happened because hey, what the past what you brought you to me, and now we’re having this conversation. I don’t judge. But people don’t people. You know, it’s almost like

Brandon Handley 28:30
if your story is funny and crazy, I’ll tell you. Yeah. It was crazy, though. Yeah, but you did you did that. Exactly. Okay. Right.

Jeremy Todd 28:39
But again, there’s no reason to charge anybody anything because we’re all of our spirits are completely different. But we’re all here. Like you said, we’re all here. Everything just bad decisions. I made, quote unquote, bad decision. This brought me to this point right now and I couldn’t be any happier.

Brandon Handley 28:52
Right? So I mean, talk to me how you feel, you know, a big part of this is leading with spirituality to for a more fulfilling life. Tell me how you feel like you’re doing that now?

Jeremy Todd 29:03
Well, I think it’s direct reflection of, of, of my podcast. I mean, I and again, I’m not here to promote promote my podcast but that’s that’s really what I do is I really promote a peaceful spirit, a peaceful body peaceful soul and being authentic and be comfortable who I am and experiencing that and telling people, it’s going to be okay. Hey, I’ve got this podcast that I tell people, the most honest, brutal stories in my life. But I don’t expect any judgment from anybody. I don’t judge myself for the experiences I’ve made. But I’m living from a spiritual peaceful place them coming out just to help others. And I can’t tell you how many emails responses I get from people all over the world that just call me randomly email me randomly Jeremy changed my life. Thank you so much. That you know I was going through tough times with the COVID I had a young lady that’s in Las Vegas she emailed me two weeks ago and said Jeremy changed my life. I was searching for a motivational podcasts. I searched positivity and yours came up. And I was blown away. I lost my job. You know, I have no money. I’ve got a young child at home. I don’t know what to do, right? But just having that mental spirituality, that peacefulness well come over to you, man, I’m telling you just makes a big difference and we will talk about it enough.

Brandon Handley 30:23
I think that um, you know, a piece a piece of that, right? Like, can talk to me like a little bit about what you’re feeling when you say spirituality because here’s another thing that, you know, I’m, I’m kind of tripping over the past few days, is when somebody says they’re spiritual, but like, they don’t believe in God or a higher source. There’s like, I’m spiritual. I’m like, no, not. Because like that answers. It’s void of weight and substance right sometimes. Sure. And so, you know, that’s why, you know, I saved you. So when you’re saying spiritual, to me, what do you what are you saying?

Jeremy Todd 31:00
I have a secret question. I am agnostic at best. I believe there’s a higher power that I believe there’s a higher source. I believe everything in my life happens for a specific reason. This is why I’m here. I don’t think my mind is or my brain is big enough to comprehend what all is going on. What I do know is that everything that’s happened in my life has happened for a specific reason. Whether that being a higher being whether that being God, whether that be Butoh, I mean, I’ve studied every possible type of religion in the world. But I believe there is something else out there, there has to be. And and again, I don’t know what that answer is it. It’s hard for me to comprehend. It’s hard for me to work my way through it. But what I do know is that I continue to do what I believe is the right thing to do. Everything always has worked its way out every single time in my life. It always has and always will. So when you talk about my spiritual for a specific, you know, white God on top of the cloud with a white beard, right, that’s not my spirituality

Brandon Handley 31:58
now, but it sounds like you’ve got a There’s a grand design greater great. There’s got to be like a universal intelligence that has kind of a design aspect. Otherwise you would have driven off the road that night. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made it home safely that one time. Otherwise, you know, I mean, I do

Jeremy Todd 32:17
know. Okay, so it’s it’s a tricky thing to think about. Because, you know, typically when you hear the word spiritual, you’re on Jesus and God and then well, that’s the thing is that my spirituality? I’m sorry. I mean, it’s great. And I and I respect that. I respect all religions respect everybody, but it’s just not what I believe I

Brandon Handley 32:36
was just not the one that speaks to you right now. Right. So

Jeremy Todd 32:40
yeah, no judgment, obviously. no judgment. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 32:42
so for me more and more recently, right. It’s come to kind of my attention, right that this, every one of these religions is just kind of a framework to the place where you’ve gotten to right now place where I’ve gotten to right now. So we’ve got a set of have potential instructions. If we were to arrive at this point in our lives right now and be like, I’m freaking out, man, I know there’s something inside me it’s coming out. I liken it to like being a seed to write like, our bodies are spiritual seeds, right? This is this cell right here, right? And that you know sounds to me too like again I’m just I’m just coming pulling shit on my butt but like it sounds to me like you know that that spirit within you is starting to on fertile right just like a C correct and a show and there’s no stopping it right it’s like it’s like asphalt doesn’t stop like a grass seed from cracking through it, right? Yeah, exactly. And so you’ve got like this you’ve got like this life energy right now that is just unfolding, and you’re letting it unfold within you right now.

Jeremy Todd 33:49
Right? And you know, there I’ve also you know, looked into there’s a lot of studies or a lot of free legends have said that, that there is no god we are all our own God. Our God is within ourselves. We have all greatness we all we are everything that we want to be in candy. We just have to access that and work our way through it. That’s another thing that you know, again, maybe that’s the answer.

Brandon Handley 34:12
So so I can help you out with this one. Right and you just just from personal experience, right. So I’m in, But to your point earlier to what degree like you know, like I like you know, I’m holding the wheel just in case, right I actually got this number right, right, right. But it actually Joe dispenza Oh no, I think it was rah rah Robin Sharma or Joe dispenza. I’ve got 210 minute pieces that I listen to all the time from both of those guys to send them to me. Absolutely man. So one of his like you if you rise to your level of thinking, Okay, okay. So, if you rise to your level of thinking and your current level thinking is that you are a human being What’s your maximum potential? Right here? maximum potential is your whom human being potential, which sometimes seems limited. Okay with that, well, if God is everything or you know, is it even within me then there’s something godlike within me, right? At least I’m attached to God somehow and I’m a part of that. Now I’ve got a different level of thinking. Right? Because now my being has changed. Right? Or, you know, again, you know, we can you can play with like, which beingness are you right now? Yeah. hanging out in divine being right. I salute the Divinity within you right now. mistake. Sure,

Unknown Speaker 35:40
sure. So,

Brandon Handley 35:42
if you’re a divine being, then you also are willing to accept grace, which is divine strength, outside strength, right, and kind of so that changes your level of thinking, I look at everybody as a divine being, right. So can we agree more, if we’ve got that and that’s my level. Thinking, what’s to stop me?

Jeremy Todd 36:02
Nothing. So I mean yourself. I mean, your your, your ego? I mean, I don’t know. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 36:08
if you let that go, I mean, that’s all stuff, you gotta let go.

Jeremy Todd 36:11
There’s no question. You know, I think it’s all those things that that that continue to work on is letting that go. But it’s not. It’s not like hitting a switch. It’s not like often, you know, it’s a process. Yeah, it’s, that’s what I love about it.

Brandon Handley 36:22
It’s a slow build, you know, it’s just like anything else. This is kind of a you know, and you can change again, you’re like, Alright, well, you know, ratchet that different thinking, but if you rise to your level of thinking, What are you thinking about yourself? Right? Again, I’ll separate those two words. Sure. What are you thinking about yourself? Is that is that an XYZ nature if it you know, what, what nature of the self? Are you sure? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 36:48
no, I get it. It’s a tough topic to talk. I mean, I don’t want to say it’s even tough. It’s just for me, it’s just working my way through that mental process. And I think to myself, Well, imagine what you know, like Three years ago, you know where I’m at now versus three years ago, were just gonna be three years from now. I mean, man, it’s just working your way through this and getting better and getting smarter and getting stronger, and getting more free. I just I just love I just love life, man. I love the love the journey. I love the conversations. I love the deep topics. I just miss what we’re here for. Right? Bam. So, again, I

Brandon Handley 37:22
feel like that’s kind of where you’re at. Right? you’re you’re you’re working on this kind of determining, yeah, who the self is right? And then like, how are you harnessing it right, you’re stepping into your power and making that determination for yourself every day? Yeah, I mean, tell me like I’ll place you. Where’s the practical application for this for yourself? Like where someplace you’ve applied this like way of thinking.

Jeremy Todd 37:48
I did everything. I mean, literally, I literally I mean I go to work. I’m that weird guy. I do my podcast. I’m not different do as a parent. I think that’s one of the most powerful places you can do. It is not get caught up with Like being you know, I’m not I’m not a guy that’s gonna like, I guess parenting is different for me than a lot of other people that I see because I had these deep conversations with my kids. And I tell them that, hey, it doesn’t matter what happened, you know, if you made a mistake, it’s okay. It’s not a mistake. It’s a learning process. It’s becoming the better person that you are. My kids are weird. And I love it. I love them for it weird to society. You know, they’re weird. Yeah. But they’re brilliant. They’re smart. And we have these deep conversations. And that’s probably the most important thing that I can push on to them is that you know that the power of who they are the power of what they look like the power of their, their selves. The more with kids getting beat down over social media, their friends, and we’re talking to them about different stuff that other parents aren’t talking to our kids about. They can deal with this every day and this is not an easy conversation for them either. But the more we have it, the more we understand that that is okay and the stronger they become at a younger age. I would you know, no disrespect to My parents, but I would never had these conversations with my kids when I was a kid. You know, it wasn’t even thought

Brandon Handley 39:04
of you never had that conversation. different times. Right?

Jeremy Todd 39:07
Correct. But you know, hey imagine 30 years from now what are my kids gonna be look like by having these conversations now? Hopefully I’m around for but my kids are gonna be so much more well off more happier within themselves more comfortable with who they are, and not get caught up in the craziness. That is that is life. So, right. That’s by far the number one thing by far

Brandon Handley 39:29
your parenting so your planet, you know, and your parenting life. This is

Jeremy Todd 39:32
weird parenting, though it’s just different and not weird, or it’s just different parenting different from what you grew up with. Right? Yeah, and as many people do, but man, I just think it’s the most powerful thing you can do right now is to teach that to your children. about spirituality. What does it mean? What does it mean to them? What does it look like? What do they believe? And then not bashing them? Like, you know, I was born and raised Catholic. That’s the that’s the only way you thought was born, raised Catholic.

Unknown Speaker 39:54
Sure. Jesus died on the cross God blah, blah, blah,

Jeremy Todd 39:57
Heaven and Hell and all that good stuff. That was all Have you thought anything different? You were on Galston?

Unknown Speaker 40:03
Yeah. But what literally?

Jeremy Todd 40:05
Yeah, literally Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally you were, I mean, kicked out of school, this kid, this kid’s got something wrong with them. But in reality, that’s not the case. And again, I think that’s one of the most powerful things that that I’m doing right now. And, you know, the mother of my children does, we’re on the same page for that, too. So it’s great. I mean, it couldn’t be any better right now.

Brandon Handley 40:24
That’s cool. So just integrating it with your daily life is kind of how you’re applying it practically. And

Jeremy Todd 40:30
yeah, you know, again, it’s it’s it’s easier said than done. I know, but I’m doing so often. I love the reactions i get i give such different opinions on different topics in different situations that I don’t care what anybody says, This is how I truly feel. This is my opinion. It’s not right or wrong, right. But I may see something different than may open someone’s up someone’s eyes instead of falling in line. That’s what we get to do. This is what this is, you know, going to church on Sunday. You’re doing this you’re doing it. Oh, I mean, I am and I support that to do your thing.

Brandon Handley 40:59
Well, yeah. Yeah, look man, like, like we said, Yeah, everybody’s path is their own path. Right. Yeah. I think that that’s I think that you know, when they created this country that was the pursuit of happiness right the the freedom was a religion was those things right was you know, hey listen this is a true thing. A lot of us Christians here but uh you know

Jeremy Todd 41:23
that now religion one of the greatest the constitution one of

Brandon Handley 41:26
the greatest things ever and I love it Listen man I think there was a powerful document right and i think that that’s just another one of those things that we take for granted.

Jeremy Todd 41:33
Right? It is and it’s freedom of speech freedom of I mean for women they carry handgun freedom, you name it freedom. I just love it because I can be who I am and we’re very, very blessed. But what are the chances? This is another thing what are the chances of us being born in this country at this time out of any other country on any other planet in any other situation? I mean, how lucky and blessed are we?

Brandon Handley 41:56
Well, I think that that’s a huge part of the story. huge part of the entire outlook Jeremy, what you’re saying right there is that, you know, if you look at where you are, and everything you do is what I’m here to say is like as a miracle,

Unknown Speaker 42:11
it is miracle that we’re blessed

Brandon Handley 42:14
right then. And could you could you imagine a better time in the anytime to become yourself?

Jeremy Todd 42:22
No, no. I mean, can you imagine me being born with a horse and carriage? I would have been dead 25 years ago. You could survive. You

Brandon Handley 42:31
know, I’ll tell you, man, I know. I know. Definitely growing up. I did a lot of like things that, you know, I should have gotten my ass kicked for. But I definitely would have gotten a shot for like an 1800s type of thing. Like,

Jeremy Todd 42:42
I mean, exactly. I am so soft and so fragile. I would have no chance 100 years ago, but I wasn’t I mean, but hey, even now, I could have been born in South America or North Korea or meat. I mean, you name the country. Well, you could be born anywhere but

Unknown Speaker 42:59
here it is. Man, I’m just

Brandon Handley 43:02
so blessed. I think it’s a beautiful time, man. I think it’s a beautiful time we’re in so Brother, listen, I know. I mean, we always love catching up on loving hearing your journey and you know how you’re just you know, loving on your spiritual self and you keep growing that right and you’re leading with that. Tell me like yeah, listen, people never heard you before. So where should they go check you out? If you haven’t heard me,

Jeremy Todd 43:23
come on, come on rapidly for obviously, you remember the positive side podcast. It’s the positive side podcast. You check out the positive side podcast calm, but more importantly, just hop on the show. And again, the intentions of the show truly, truly, truly are just to just tell my random stories through life, the stuff that I struggle with, to share those messages to understand that hey, if you are struggling, you are going through these tough times. You’re not alone and we’re all going to get to this together. We’re all going to get better we’re all gonna get stronger. So that’s the biggest thing. Or you can always email Jeremy Jeremy at Jeremy Todd COMM But then, more importantly, Brandon, I love this show. Man. This is like the perfect show for you. It’s this is like you wheelhouse bro. I’ve just been a long time ago. That’s

Unknown Speaker 44:04
right. I was afraid.

Unknown Speaker 44:06
Sure. I get

Brandon Handley 44:07
it. I was afraid. I was afraid. And but it’s where I wanted to be, which is the funny thing, right. And so what’s what’s funny is that it is opened up but is blown up and opened up like the reception. Yeah. And so me just going and doing that thing that I was so afraid to do so many years ago. Self permission. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I think that you know, listen, if you made it to the end of the podcast, that was the message that you need to hear today, man, this is like, self permission. So Exactly. Alright guys. Thank you so much, Jeremy. And we’ll chat next time. Oh, hell yeah,

Jeremy Todd 44:45
brother. Thank you.

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I had the amazing opportunity to connect with Anna Champagne, who is a Professional Fiber Artist, Designer and Color Healer creating vibrant and luxurious silk scarves, shawls, throws and custom fabrics. Each scarf is designed and hand-painted one-at-a-time by the Artist with dyes in beautiful uplifting colors.

Anna has degrees in textiles and interior design, and has trained extensively in the holistic healing field. She is the owner of A Path of Beauty and Anna Champagne Silks, hand painting luxurious silk scarves and shawls in vibrant, healing colors and enriching people’s lives with her silks, inspirational writings, healing sessions and color healing course.

Her love and interest in textiles began at a young age. She has taught classes in weaving, computer- aided design, and Shibori, and now Color Healing.

Anna’s work has been exhibited in galleries from Madison Avenue, NYC to Carmel, CA, and at high-end craft shows and holistic shows in New York, Boston, etc.   Her earlier work is included in The Guild 4, A Sourcebook of American Crafts.  She was the featured artist in Sarasota Magazine, 2006. And her article Color Healing: Using Color and Divine Wisdom to Enrich Our Lives, was published in Energy Magazine, May/June 2017.

“I create silks that surround people in beauty and the healing energy of color that nurtures, uplifts and inspires.  Luxurious hand painted silk scarves, shawls, and throws that are as soft as rose petals and as harmonious and peaceful as being in a beautiful garden.  Live a poetic life of beauty…Joie de Vivre in Silk!”    Anna Champagne

Connect with Anna over at https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Interested in her silks? https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Anna also has a great course for those who are interested in color healing: http://www.annachampagnesilks.com/color-healing-course/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Thanks for joining me again today And today, we have Anna champagne. Joining us. Anna is a professional fiber artist, energy healer, teacher, author, designer and entrepreneur, owner of Anna champagne silks and a path of beauty. She has degrees in textiles and interior design as trained extensively in the holistic healing field, including emotion code, Body Code, and transformational breathing, and created color healing for a vibrant, abundant life energy healing system. And thanks so much for joining with us today.

Anna Champagne 0:41
Thanks, Brandon. It’s great to be here. Just so you know, sauna. I like that.

Brandon Handley 0:49
Got it. Got it. Thanks. So now I’m gonna have to fix that throughout the entire way. I’m on a one of the things that I feel pretty strongly about is that When we communicate on these podcasts and when we have these conversations, there’s somebody out there that needs to hear something through us and we’re simply here as a you know, divine vessels call it what you will right? Call what you want but I think that somebody is tuned in today that needs to hear what from you like they need to hear this somebody needs to hear this what is it

Unknown Speaker 1:31
basically

Anna Champagne 1:34
that they’re loved and that they can live a path of beauty You know, that’s what I’m kind of live myself and share and and it just becomes a rich life and it really isn’t spiritual or regular mundane or any of it. It’s all one life. So the more we kind of, you know, just bring that all together and then it’s really rich and colorful and beautiful.

Brandon Handley 1:58
I love it. I love it. So it’s not that they’re not segmented life pieces for you. It’s all one holistic life.

Anna Champagne 2:06
Yeah. And I’m still like everyone, you know, feels deeply you know that. And I do agree with you what you’re saying, because that was my prayer even before coming on. I said, you know, it’s not about me, it’s about you know, how I can touch someone or, you know, and I pray, can I say the words that someone is needing to hear tonight, so you know, so that was perfect.

Brandon Handley 2:29
I love it. I love it. Perfect. So, you know, it looks like we’ve got the right person on here. One thing I do want to touch on that I know we had a little precursor conversation, you know, I caught that you studied with like Gregg Braden, Byron, and some of these other people, you know, can be a little bit about that. Right? I love these are some people that are new, newer to my life, right, but I love them. What was like one of the favorite courses or someplace that you studied with that? That was exciting for you? Um,

Anna Champagne 2:58
oh, they’re all wonderful. The path. Byron Katie was great. You know, I was a transformational breath facilitator and trainer, and this was the early days, but even before she became more famous, you know, she had written her first book. And we used to bring her, you know, to our trainings or to our city or even we had our first breath cruise, and we were doing breath work. And then we brought Katie along and she was teaching some things and then every night after dinner, you know, she would just show up and work with us. And, and to this day, whenever I see her, you know, and I haven’t seen her in a while, but every time she says hello, Angel, and I just feel like she sees me. Fantastic.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Yeah. When you say we in that, what are you who’s that inclusive of?

Anna Champagne 3:44
Um, that’s when I was doing transformation breathing years ago,

Brandon Handley 3:50
okay, that’s not something you’re doing right now. So much of

Anna Champagne 3:52
it’s it’s part of me, but now I’ve kind of, you know, well, we’ll get into it all what I’m doing, but I’m Kind of branding my own color healing system and silks and also right

Brandon Handley 4:05
right so I mean yeah that I mean that that is your that is your that is what I see you doing right now that’s what you presented to me you’re doing textile you’re doing color healing. Oh you were introduced to me by our mutual friend Mark Youngblood as a color healer. I was super intrigued about that. While I read a little bit about what you have to say in there. You know, tell us a little bit about what color healing is.

Anna Champagne 4:30
Well, it’s it’s actually a vibrational energy healing modality. And, you know, I’m blessed to be able to as a fiber artist, I campaign on cilex campaign hand dye, and through decades of, you know, working with people and seeing what the silks do in their energy field and the specific colors like you know, like the ones I have on, I just come to see how the frequencies of light color work in our own hands. energy field and affect us and I especially work more in the emotional realm. Because, you know, of course, color affects us emotionally and as a sensitive an empath, and you know, as many people are there, you know, even people that don’t think there was sensitive are, you know, so that’s why color is just so important and impactful. And now when we consciously use it, we can really heal like old emotional patterns, we can raise our vibration, we can direct it for specific uses. So I’m really blessed that I get to, you know, paint and die and be immersed in color and then you know, share it with others and then and then teach it.

Brandon Handley 5:47
I love that. So the colors that you’re wearing today, what are they? What do they bring to me vibrationally

Anna Champagne 5:53
Well, most people have heard of like Archangel Michael. And with my color healing system. It’s based on like the rays of God. Consciousness so it’s kind of a very spiritual at the core. And there’s these divine qualities as embodied by the archangels and angels so most people have heard of Archangel Michael and we think protection but it’s also focus and will and faith. And each Archangel has their divine feminine counterpart called an RPI. So with Archangel Michael it’s archiv faith. So faith is a real tangible energy to so. So for me and also, you know, blues are healing you know, they’re like water, they’re calming. So for me doing something like this, you know, it keeps me a little focused and it’s very calming to

Brandon Handley 6:44
fantastic. I’m glad I’m wearing blue then to stay focused a little bit. Right. Now, I love that you mentioned to like, you know, that you’ve got kind of this Archangel as part of your story. Right. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Right. So how does how does how did you leave archangels and angels into your path.

Anna Champagne 7:03
I’m just on my spiritual path. I think I knew of Archangel Michael and things because I’ve been on my spiritual path most of my life and knew of Archangel Michael and especially when I was actually a young mother and this is before I got on my spiritual path about 20 years ago where I learned more in depth about the archangels and all and if anyone knows about that, you know, young mother new mother just worried and you know, and, and for me being an empath and sensitive you know, I would get like open to any thought of like any fearful thought I would feel it like so much through my body, it was just hard to deal with. So luckily, I knew of Archangel Michael and then when I started calling to them, I can actually help kind of smooth down and that anxiety and fear and then I came to help others, you know, help other, you know, mothers and just other people, you know, with that as well. And now over decades, you know, he’s just, I can’t I don’t think any of us could really be here without Archangel Michael, whether you call him by name or now or anything here to

help us on the path,

Brandon Handley 8:12
you know, if somebody is not that’s a terrible way to say Archangel Li, you know, aligned, what are some other kind of spiritual resonance that they might have? If so, like you said, if they don’t know them is Archangel Michael, what else might they call him or that presence?

Unknown Speaker 8:34
Um,

Anna Champagne 8:36
I think a lot of people are aware of or interested in angels. And even when I was, you know, writing my first color healing article, and actually one of my other great mentors is Jacob Lieberman. He wrote light medicine of the future and take off your glasses and see and I studied with him, you know, years ago a lot and he’s just one of my greatest mentors.

was I going with that?

Oh, so when I was writing the article, I wanted to create kind of an overview of things. And you know, didn’t talk about the archangels too much because really color on its own and the frequencies of color can support us whether we, we connect with the angels or you know, call to them or use them consciously, but they are here to co create with us and help support us, right in a big way. And actually, my daughter who grew up with all this and you know, is just knows me the best, you know, at one point she says, Oh, Mom, you can’t you can’t take the angels out. That’s your brand. That’s who you are. You can’t separate you from the angels. Nice. But I can you know, talk about color to just as we know, I

Brandon Handley 9:49
think I think that you know, my question was definitely more aligned to other spiritual modalities right of Archangel Michael right. So if if I’m coming Going from a shamanistic background or just some other type of esoteric background, right? What would you would you align it to something else in those spaces?

Anna Champagne 10:13
I wouldn’t but people that don’t have the wording might, you know, call them spirit guides or something like that? I don’t really I’d like to be more specific with the as I know the different things but even you know, I have friends in shamanism and they also teach angels because it’s just a different aspect of you know, frequencies and energies and you know, beings and all that so

Unknown Speaker 10:41
I appreciate that. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 10:42
like I said, I’m, I’m not well versed in angels, right. And so, but I do understand spirit guide, right. So you know, if if I’m running around and I’m trying to feel something and it’s hard for me to again, mentally pull On an angel vibe, right right, then I might be able to pull on some others your spiritual guide God type of thing, right? So

Anna Champagne 11:07
the way that I could talk about it, you know, I did shows, you know,

body mind spirit, Whole Health, new life and boutique shows all kinds of things for many decades. And I would have like, you know, just all these soaks, you know, in my booth, and people would come in and I always want to empower people. So even if I knew like one that would be advantageous for them, I would always say, well, which color are you most drawn to? And then they would go and usually they would really go right to one that they would feel good in and they try it on and they feel something even if they thought you know, I don’t I’m not sensitive or anything they they always are, they really can feel it and then I would put on another one that maybe was even a similar color. And they would go oh my goodness, I can tell the difference. Wow. Are they put on one that’s really a contrast and what go wow, that feels even different. Sure, and then people can see that. So, really, for me, the key part is, you know, healing our trapped emotions and those emotional energies that are, you know, the sadness, grief. I mean, we’re human. So we have all those things. But I know we feel better usually when it’s joy and love and those kind of things. So when we take those things that are actually blocking our energy, they’re not good or bad, but they can become trapped in blocker energy. So when we’re healing that and then they have that flow of energy from God goddess, all that is whatever you call it, your higher self, you know, I call it my presence or that presence, so So when you’re healing that and raising your vibration, my goal is really to help people connect with their highest wisdom and their highest self.

Unknown Speaker 12:51
So

Anna Champagne 12:53
and that’s, that’s really cool. I think most of you want to be most connected with

Brandon Handley 12:58
Sure, sure. I thought, you know, it’s Because, you know, I was actually having this thought earlier that you said, you know, it’s not necessarily about you, when you enter into the show, it’s like kind of what can you do in service of but yeah, on it, it is about you, right? It is about you connecting with your highest self and just being in that space for a moment and just accepting that nobody needs anything from you, but you’ve got someone that you’re willing to give. Right. You know, let’s talk a little bit more about the angel part though, because they’re, you know, like I said, I was able to listen to one podcast that you were interviewed on earlier and you’ve got this amazing, kind, amazing Angel story. Once you just kind of shares sure that part.

Anna Champagne 13:43
I do and I actually have my good old Angel book that I was actually visiting a friend I live in Florida now and I was in New England visiting friend and went to my car to get NINJA book and so Someone actually tried to kill me she was mentally unstable. I didn’t know her, but she was known to people and, you know, without going into this story, but still someone tried to find me over with a car. Wow. And because of it, I was hit by the car. But as I was walking, I just was like looking down. And it’s like, what’s going on with my ankle or my leg, you know, and then before I knew, and I just was like, kind of falling or whatever, but really ended up hitting the ankle and shattered my ankle and foot and left leg and all that. And afterwards, I you know, and I’ve had, you know, surgeries, and I mean, it was, it was quite a karmic thing. Quite a big deal in my life and in a real healing journey that came from it. But when I asked friends like on my spiritual path, I said, How could this have happened, you know, I’m so devout are just so connected and spiritual. And they said, it’s because of that, that the angel saved your life. Hmm. And I’m getting chills even telling you that because I just feel it’s so true. And I vowed to all my healing journey to help people in whatever way I can what I learned through all the healing that I did through it, but they really did save my life.

Brandon Handley 15:18
I get it. So um, you know, you mentioned that you’ve been on the spiritual path pretty much your entire life. And so you already had this vibrational awareness right? You already had this holistic awareness and once you got involved with fabrics and colors, it wasn’t a simple transition for you into the vibrational colors.

Anna Champagne 15:46
Well, yes and no, I mean, it was one of those being sensitive and you know, sometimes feeling really lonely even if a family are feeling different, as many people describe often and just Just getting into, you know, loving being in nature or writing poetry or doing things, you know, different things like that. And just just feeling like the search. So even when I was little, I would, you know, go to the library and search even when I was little for certain things, you know, along the way. So, so it’s kind of just been a journey, like many people, you know, you know, pursue this pursue that, you know, learn about this, see how it feels, you know, and, and then just keep growing that way. So it wasn’t, you know, and it’s not like my parents were all conscious. And, you know, we grew up the main girl, and then that kind of thing. So they weren’t holistic in the least, and they still aren’t. But even through that, I realized through the years, especially as I’m learning things, and you’re all excited to share with your family and help them and, you know, they’re like, thank you, but you know, believe what you believe or not interested. Yeah, the greatest thing I learned, especially with my dad was The greatest thing we could do for healing for someone was to love them unconditionally. Sure. And it didn’t matter. All those differences.

Brandon Handley 17:10
Right. Right. Now listen, I mean, when I first had, you know, what I would classify as an awakening experience, not wanting to run around, and I guess I guess that’s, I guess that’s kind of the whole the gospel part of the gospel thing. You’ve got to hear this good news. Why don’t I tell them all about this? wait a year round? This

Unknown Speaker 17:28
is awesome. Um, and,

Brandon Handley 17:31
yeah, it’s not everybody’s path. Right? It’s not everybody’s path. But it’s still it’s, you know, I guess when you’re vibing. So hard, right. It’s like, What do you mean, you don’t see it this way? And how can you not feel this way? And why wouldn’t you go down this path? And like you said, it’s when we just step back and love them, unconditionally? who they are the way they are right now. Yeah. can’t do much more than that, right?

Anna Champagne 18:01
What’s tills? True? And you know, to answer more of your question. I went to school for English and weaving because I started weaving when I was about 16. And I was always doing kind of crafts and things and knitting and crochet and all that because my mother grandmother, so even when I was in textile school, for my BFA in textiles and fiber, I, you know, I started then I actually painted on really fine silk threads and wove them into scarves and shawls and will wall pieces, please. And yet, I was still gathering, you know, all the spiritual books and I was starting to get some books on color and chakras and different things like that. But I didn’t read most of them years later. And the reason I realized was because I had to kind of develop my own sense of it, of the color and kind of learn it from within a little bit more of the code. So one time I remember when I was you know, I I think I was starting to, you know, maybe it was after I was at a school. And I was just questioning, you know, that format of the scarves and shawls. And then I opened one of those books and it said, Yeah, you want to wear the silks over your throat and heart chakras and I’m like, okay, that’s the answer. And you know, so I still kind of use that that form of the silks and the shawls I mean, the scarves in the shells

Brandon Handley 19:26
when you say that form the you mean by put it over your chakras?

Anna Champagne 19:31
Yeah, I was just in one of those color healing books. It kind of answered that that it’s really advantageous a lot of times to where over your throat or your heart

Brandon Handley 19:40
Alright, so when you’re when you’re when you were starting your spiritual journey picking up all these books, what kind of books were you picking up? Like? What was what was the opening of the doors for you? I guess as it were,

Anna Champagne 19:53
um, there’s been so many through the years I do collect wisdom

Brandon Handley 19:58
right right there in the beginning, right. So I mean, you’re you’re picking up all these books, you hadn’t quite read them, but they were of interest to you

Anna Champagne 20:04
somewhere the color healing somewhere.

Well, even earlier, you know, when I was 16 I was meditating at a friend’s house because her parents were into Edgar Casey, airy, and all that. So, you know, I had my first and then and then when we were in Boston, I actually, you know, my then husband and I, we went to his son or I think grandson, we went to a workshop and thing, were part of that for a while, and then it always comes full circle that I wasn’t into it for years. And then I was, you know, going to some conferences a few years ago and even speaking at a conference and Kevin Tedeschi who’s the, you know, the head guy at the Aerie now and wrote all the books on so he’s kind of a friend now too. So it’s so interesting and

yeah, it was it was all kinds of things.

Or they you know, I mean, sometimes it was healing some obscure things like fear of, like fears and aliens and you know like I remember with Gregg Braden, I’ve healed a big piece of that, you know?

Unknown Speaker 21:18
Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, that

Anna Champagne 21:21
was interesting. Um, it was funny because I was one of the last people at his you know, the workshop for that day and we were at this conference center or somewhere and I was like in a dorm and I remember we were talking it was years ago you know, decades ago when you know, he’s gone through different things that he’s taught Sure. And some of it was bringing up like so much fear about you know, the some of the alien you know energies and and they’re all frequency now they’re all different vibrations so and then my my roommate didn’t show up so like all night I’m like, you know, all afraid this, you know, sheets up and I had to go deeper within and then and then through it. I just I really did heal it. And now I say, you know, the same aliens that are more than negative ones that, you know, maybe want to, you know harm or they’re just a lower vibration. Sure they can’t touch me anymore because it’s so that was just part of like the healing on the journey that I went through. So now you know and then there’s other ones like I heart, you know connect with the Pleiadians and then I do paintings that were pleading and writing so, so it was pretty diverse.

Brandon Handley 22:35
Interesting. I love that I love it. I love what you did there too with um, you know, translating harm into just recognizing that the third a lower vibration, right? It is not like I like that too. Right? So that that’s interesting for sure. So you’ve been living this life fairly steeped in spirituality. All right. Yeah, and I can’t remember now already, if we talked about the beginning or not, but like, integrating Yeah, we started at the beginning, but like integrating all the whole has certainly been a challenge for me. You know, trying to say, Oh, this is this is my spiritual self. This is what I do when I’m being spiritual. And this is what I do and, you know, all these other spaces. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, practical spiritual integration? Well, so, you know, what’s that mean to you? If I say something I asked you that.

Anna Champagne 23:31
Yeah. Well, that’s what I really love teaching and helping people with, you know, and I’m still going through it myself. I’m constantly hitting things that come up for me and then having, you know, using different tools to heal like some of the emotional patterns and things like that. But, um, I think it’s just, I think one of the biggest thing is really healing being present to what comes up and not judging it. So You know, and that’s what I learned especially from Katie you know, Byron Katie, you know, you take those judgments you take that anger you take that fear, you know, whatever it is and and then you investigate and then you can you know, go deeper and especially, you know when you you see it’s just kind of a projection to like wearing me like I’m angry at that person but really, where’s that pattern in me and then when you so so if you keep bringing it back to yourself in a gentle way because you never want to be hard on yourselves because like I know that pattern and right so it’s, it’s it’s just and I have seen you you know, I watched your you know, your dad podcast thing or you know, whatever that was.

And even if you I mean, and I don’t know you so well, you know, but

just the love that and just the the way you were showing up with your son I mean, I’m getting emotional because I was sent to and I was daughter but It touched me because you’re just present. And you’re asking him his experience. And then you’re sweeping in a little, you know, teaching to be a good person or to

just just weaving in those nuggets of goodness,

Brandon Handley 25:16
you try, right? Well, you know, listen in here, you know, for what it’s worth. You know, my mom was a, you know, so I was born in San Francisco in the late 70s. So, that’s an indicator of where I came from. I always taught like, the awareness always taught, like these kind of life lessons. And they were definitely seeds, right, because they were, they were falling on fallow ground or whatever, whatever. And it wasn’t until later, when they all just kind of sprouted and honestly, when I talked about going through that experience, kind of the awakening experience, it was like all at the same time, like everything she was talking about, just like, there it is. And so that’s all you know, I feel like I can try and do with the kids right on my boys and just have those conversations. Not force it on them, but give them those seeds. Right. And, you know, if it’s some I feel like at some point in their lives, though, they’ll turn around and dust off will sprout up

Anna Champagne 26:12
exactly like with my son, he would, you know, like roll his eyes like I just want to be normal know, he’s at times you know cutting out these little swords and you know things of and you know connecting with you know, he’ll deny a lot of it now but you know, but he’s such a good person you know, this really is so

Brandon Handley 26:33
well i think what we were saying earlier it’s everyone’s on their own path, right? I don’t I mean, I don’t think I have a Bible or have ever read more than the six pages in a Bible. But we can really try and do is be good shepherds, right of these souls or whatever. Um, but this is about you. So we’re back to you now. And so what would be like a couple tools I love you gave kind of the one example is like look for that within yourself, right that’s causing that or is a part of you? Right? What what, where’s that irritation that’s party? You know, I saw I saw a little line today that I really like to as it relates to emotions. I’d love to hear your feedback on this is there’s emotional control. Right, which is I think a very Western actually I think every culture has emotional control, right? versus emotional expression. Mm hmm. How would you differentiate those two things because I feel like you would have a good, good way to do that.

Anna Champagne 27:33
I call it really a path of emotional mastery. Hmm. Because it’s not just trying to control how you’re feeling because the pattern will come up, you know, it’ll just keep coming up until we deal with things. And now you know, globally where we’ve had an experience of something big happening globally, where we’re going you know, sheltering in place home, you know, a lot of fear a lot of uncertainty on These kind of things, and I still just see it as, like the greatest gift because we can’t bring in what I call a golden age without bringing to light those patterns. So it’s not just about expression, you know, I think, you know, because we’re always creating and we’re always expressing whether it’s expressing love or expressing anger, you know, or sadness, you know, it’s expression but it’s when it when we feel like that underlying like, we call it kind of miss qualified pattern. So like, say we haven’t, oh, like, like, you know, say we have an experience and it’s, you know, really overwhelming or traumatic or anything. And things get and we might not even know how to process it at the moment or deal with it. And then and but then it starts coloring everything we do in life. And then, but usually we can tell by how we’re feeling, you know, if we’re having Are were not so happy, that’s usually an indicator how we’re feeling and work with thing.

Brandon Handley 29:07
And that kind of addresses the, again expression versus control, like, because we were talking earlier too about, you know, locating that feeling, right? The anger or the frustration if we go to suppress that or redirect it, is that really healing it or addressing it? Right and and i think that that’s, personally that’s what I’ve done to try to emotionally master or control right redirect. But I feel like there’s would be a another way to express that because I don’t want to hold on to that energy like that. Right. So

Unknown Speaker 29:47
what would you say there?

Anna Champagne 29:50
You can tell by when you say go back to a memory that was really painful. And you know, so you did And this is where I say the violet ray you know of trance transformation transmutation, you know, taking that same God energy as I talked about, and then transmuting it like freeing up the, you know, whatever traumatic emotions are there, and then it’s kind of at the core, and then we can recollect it or we can use it for what we want. And it really comes back to our intention to what we really want to create in our life. Yeah, so the stronger our positive intentions, those things will just naturally come up. And if it just ends, they’ll just keep coming up until we like pay attention or we might get sick or, you know, just just so unhappy or whatever it is. So, but, but there’s also a way to do it. It’s good to just start being aware of what you’re feeling or how you’re feeling in your body. But another way to do it, too, is to keep focusing on the higher vibrational states or what you do want to create because that’ll just automatically start in training up. It’s just entrainment, you know, physics of training that lower vibrational state into that higher vibrational state. And that’s kind of what I call a lot of the path of beauty or even, you know, working with those divine qualities. You can just and actually, that’s another tool to you know, you can have a state and then do affirmations and crease, things like that you can actually raise the vibration of that pattern.

Brandon Handley 31:32
I like that. I like that.

Unknown Speaker 31:34
I feel like

Unknown Speaker 31:38
you know,

Brandon Handley 31:40
raising your vibrational state through affirmations, and gratitude. I think a lot of people look at that as purely mental exercise. What do you say to that?

Anna Champagne 31:56
It’s not like we’re using our mind because we’re choosing to and it’s what we’re giving power to. So if we’re saying you know, like I am the presence or I am you know, whatever we want to put after saying I am affirmation You know, there’s you know, with the law of attraction, all that kind of stuff if you’re if you’re saying something that you don’t believe then that’ll even cause more resistance. You know, I’m a millionaire and you’re you know, you got three cents in your bank account Well, that’s gonna it’s not gonna resonate, but if you can get in touch with the energy of it, you know, like it’s it’s feeling into it really. I think more so but but you do use your mind and your thoughts

Brandon Handley 32:43
talking to more about feeling into it, though.

Anna Champagne 32:51
I think it comes down to getting more harmonious no matter you know what color you’re using, or what Whatever tool you’re using, if you’re still agitated, then it’s not really working. So if you can feel more harmonious, calm, you know, the breath is a really important thing to kind of stop that fight or flight, you know, just using the breath, and then just start feeling more calm. Then, then when you say, when you say an affirmation or things something or, um, or want to access, you know, just want to just x more peacefulness or happiness or, you know, whatever it is it you’ll just, it’ll, you’ll feel it. But you’re not going to feel it if you’re all agitated, you know. And so, you know, it’s like, it’s like the analogy of, you know, the parent who’s got the baby, and they’re just like, just come down Baby, you know, like they’re, you know, I never can understand that. You know, But But I learned that you know, years ago so that’s where we always taught the parents first, you know, read to become, you know, if you’re lying with your child at night, you know, rubbing their backs as you’re breathing. Because if you’re all you know, stressful, they’re going to feel it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 34:19
One of the coolest feelings to write when you’re going to sleep but I missed I missed the miss my kids you know when they’re just growing up you can just kind of fall asleep with them on your chest right? Yeah, yeah, love that. Love that miss it. Like where they are now though. It’s okay. So, you know, are you still traveling with your art shows? Are you still doing that? Like?

Anna Champagne 34:42
Nobody shows anymore? Sometimes by invitation, you know, a few things, but mostly I’m switching over online. Okay. And teaching courses online and things like that.

Brandon Handley 34:54
Right? When you were out of curiosity, right. So just for anybody that’s kind of interested in The type of work that you’re doing and would be thinking about doing it themselves. How would they kind of get involved in the community that you were involved with? With the art shows and textiles?

Anna Champagne 35:14
Well, it’s really an art. I mean, it’s decades of lifetimes Actually, I’ve done this in many lifetimes. It’s, you know, um, it’s going with what interests you, too, you know, I mean, mostly, I’m selling the silks that they’re using, you know, in their meditations or just everyday wear or even you know, you know, that’s why I sell a lot to men as well as women you know, to wear because they carry that tangible vibration. So it makes it easier to access those states and things. But, you know, sometimes I have taught some of the, you know, I used to teach weaving I used to teach shabari and which is a dyeing technique. You know, I do love, you know, doing a lot of that stuff. But, you know, an easy way is just watercolor paints or you know, even even coloring on dollars, you know, that can just get you in a, you know, working with color and with pencils or markers or things like that, or, or just even watercolor, you know, it doesn’t even have to be a form. It could just be working with the paint like that if you’re talking about doing something that’s more artistic or

if that’s what you’re kind of asking.

Brandon Handley 36:33
That’s definitely one part right kind of getting into the art itself, but the shows right? I’m sure you invited to him because you were great at what you were doing. But like also, if somebody else was like, what types of shows were you featured in so that somebody if they saw them, they’d be able to go and kind of find out more of themselves?

Anna Champagne 36:52
The shows, I mean, I was in the high end crashes when I first got out of college and was, you know, doing those handpainted handball Then Yeah. And then I had galleries around the country. And then when I got into still just painting on silks and doing like transformational breath work and being a trainer, then I was in like New York and Boston. I’m from New England. So I would do like Whole Health, new life, body mind spirit, you know, a lot of those kind of shows.

Brandon Handley 37:20
Okay. I’ve never heard of those shows before. So I mean, that’s interesting. Yeah. And

Anna Champagne 37:24
it’s still go on, um, you know, some of them anyway.

Brandon Handley 37:28
Yeah. That’s interesting, too. I mean, I guess a New England part of, you know, what was the new age?

Unknown Speaker 37:35
birthing spot, right. I mean, am I wrong?

Anna Champagne 37:39
I don’t know. I think California’s where you grew up is pretty cool. I mean,

Brandon Handley 37:45
I think I think that, you know, I think of I’m trying to think of who was the press, you know, the press company that came out with the kind of the New Age movement, right, um,

Anna Champagne 37:57
dress or no,

Brandon Handley 37:59
I can’t really remember off the top of my head, but it’s just interesting to see that there’s still a vibrant spiritual community from there, right in that space. So I think that that’s pretty interesting. You did. So you mentioned you mentioned your course and your shops. I wanted to bring that up too. So talk to us a little bit about the the course offering that you have right now online.

Anna Champagne 38:20
Yeah, it’s an eight week online course it’s called color healing for a vibrant abundant life seven steps to heal what’s holding you back and increase your flow of abundance and that’s those kind of seven spiritual colors, you know, those rays and you actually get a set of seven, you know, solid color sticks with it, it needs you know, once a week for eight weeks, you know, an online student class and then you have a portal with the meditations, affirmations, you know, the class content you know, more you know, all of it, but it’s really meant to be for busy people. You know, everyone’s really busy in life and you don’t i don’t want to make this Like this heavy like something they just not do or else feel so overwhelmed. So that’s what’s cool about you know, with with the silks because you just wear them you know through the week like each week we’re learning about one color. So like for example like the solid color you know we’ve got the golden yellow or you know pink or you know the blues violets you know these solid colors, and you wear them during class and wear them during your meditations and the meditations tend to be seven to nine minutes maybe and just get you in touch with the divine qualities even archangels but more of the divine qualities of the color and just get you and then wearing them. It helps you know to tangibly feel so it’s because there’s silk has the highest vibration of fiber. The very pure colors are frequencies and you know, if you think White is like all colors, you know, of light You know, ones additive and subtractive whether it’s you know, crayons, or paints versus light, and then, you know, it’s easy to think, you know, the prism and the rainbow, you know, it’s broken up in those frequencies. Sure. So, um, yeah, so it’s, it’s really, it’s, it’s fun and it’s, it’s just a easy so going back to that, so the soaks have that highest vibration, and then the pure colors, those frequencies and then the energies that I’m kind of praying in or attending in. So that’s what makes them where you can actually feel the energy. So it’s an added tool to be able to wear them and start feeling the energies as you’re as you’re learning them

Brandon Handley 40:50
about them. I mean, I love that right? Because I can I can feel the application right? You know, I can I can I can sense I get a good sense of have kind of how you would direct that. And I feel like that would be, that would be like it’s beneficial, right? Anytime he’s been, I think consciously tending to your vibrations. that’s beneficial. So it sounds to me like that’s kind of what you’re doing is teaching people how to pay attention to their vibrations, right at what levels and then being able to associate them with specific colors, right, so that they can really just kind of hone in and have an anchor point.

Anna Champagne 41:29
Right. So like, even with the emotion code, say we identify a trapped emotion, say it’s grief. And it happened when you were 13. You know, and then, you know, we get shifted, but then you know, we’ll put like a soft pink silk over and that’ll like raise the vibration. So it’s still really key for me to be healing those emotional patterns that are kind of blocking that flow of energy.

Brandon Handley 41:52
So would you classify this more of a healing class? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I mean, look, that’s great. Yeah. I mean I love it because it might just be a guy thing right? Or you know could just be a me thing I’ve never really kind of addressed this one but like you know we were taught to like you know, you fall down you dust off and you keep on going forward you know you don’t really address the specific pains you just move forward you don’t address the specific moments that cause you to no question 90% of your life you just keep moving forward right but if you do take a little bit of time and and heal those moments

Anna Champagne 42:33
and you know, a lot of men do this, you know, as a spiritual path to I mean, a lot of men do have my silks too because they wear them for meditation. Tell me what are some favorite main colors? I mean,

Brandon Handley 42:41
other than blue, what are some what are some what are some main colors?

Anna Champagne 42:45
Some are the those turquoise is in blues and violets some sometimes, you know more the emerald green, but actually one of my first soaps that I made like decades ago when I’m My first shows ever did with them. There was this just big guy you know and he he got the most feminine so good made to that point with yell, you know pinks and yellows and actually I have a great story about that I was at a show one time, and a guy came and usually like I do have like these, um, you know, you might be able to see they have a pattern woven in there to card. And whereas like the this is just a sharp use, it’s like smooth. So, you know, mostly guys tend to like the sharp use a smoother one, you know, because these can be a little more feminine. But there was a guy that he bought one that was in like a rose pain to fuchsia to a little violet, maybe maybe a little blue, and it was in a de card. And it was a very kind of, you know, society.

Unknown Speaker 43:55
You weren’t expecting him to pick it up.

Anna Champagne 43:58
Yeah, but once you put it out And he had lost like, the love of his life. He lost his wife not too long before that, and he started to feel the energy. Right. And it started to heal with that pink. So he hung around the booth a lot and you know, just shared about his wife and you know, started the healing. But others, you know, like, I have a friend that commissioned some of the biggest like, meditation blankets, you know, they’re huge. Um, and I do a half version that’s like a meditation shawl. And this friend has a spiritual path and master and he meditates you know, many hours a day and he calls it like an energetic cocoon because that’s another thing I didn’t mention. It actually silk energetically insulates you too. And when you meditate in you know, certain colors. So, you know, it’s, um, I was interviewed the other day and the guy was all wearing his pink shirt and stuff. So you know, it’s time for the guys to be able to flame boy Right.

Brandon Handley 45:00
Yeah, look, look, look, I mean, everybody can wear some colors and enjoy for sure. So, in your class, I’m just gonna you talk about like intentions, positive qualities and emotions. You’ve got some guided journaling, meditations, affirmations, you know, what types of answers, I’m just gonna kind of what types of meditations Could I look at in that class.

Anna Champagne 45:23
They’re, like I was saying there, they tend to be seven to nine minutes, I keep them fairly short, you know, growing into more of the meditations, but they’re just meant to, um, interest introduce you to the colors, the qualities just kind of get in, and then they bring in some of the affirmations that you can use so it’s, it’s kind of like a guided one to educate you. And so that you can use it as a tool. So you know, something happens and you need to just use a certain color call us or an angel or whatever it is. You kind of have those tools and another and another, like, practical way to it doesn’t have to be all about the silks although that is, you know, a big part of what I do Sure, like the Emerald Ray, it’s all like think nature, you know, think the Verdun greens and, you know, it’s getting big now doing earthing and you know, just

Brandon Handley 46:19
tell me about everything. I have no idea.

Anna Champagne 46:21
Oh, that’s a great thing for people to know about, you know, I mean, think back on wood, barefoot as kids and running around in the summer, I mean, sure, you know, but beyond that, they’ve they’ve actually found that by connecting with the resonance of the earth, hmm, that it calms our nervous system and it decreases inflammation and does a lot of things like that. So I mean, they even have earthing mats and blankets and things you can have with, you know, your

Brandon Handley 46:50
did see an earthing mat, right. So I was kind of curious about that, but I hadn’t hadn’t really linked it to I wasn’t sure what the whole thing was. I hadn’t gone too far into it. So the meditation They are, you know, to, to kind of impress upon the mind and give you, you know, pause the color modalities, right, tie that in with some affirmations. And I’m assuming the intentions kind of pull that all together as well.

Anna Champagne 47:19
Yeah, and and, you know, like, white white rays associated with like intentions, like, you know, white is like all the colors so it’s all possibilities and all potential. So think of like when we have an intention where we’re impressing into that purity of just all possibilities. I love it also clarity, you know, because a lot of times we need clarity to be able to have an intention. We have to

Brandon Handley 47:48
know clarity you listen, I mean, and that I think that’s one of the challenges, right? You can’t see two pictures at the same time, right? You can’t You can’t you know, you can’t so you can’t hold two pictures in your in your mind. Expect to clear outcome. Fair. Right. Guided journaling. I’ve never heard of doing guided journaling before. So, you know, what we get what we get in that?

Anna Champagne 48:11
Oh, I think it’s, it’s just a process of getting, you know, things might start coming up and you want to just write about it just as you would journaling when I asked some questions, you know, or how do you feel about certain colors? Or how do you feel about the certain emotions, you know, because that’s the other thing. Say you have fascination, then an antidote to get motivation is like glue, say, okay, so you can, you know, just so like one one way of through that healing journey, because you know, it’s it’s good to be able to, you know, write down things if people choose to and process how they’re feeling and what’s coming up or, or what they’re experiencing, you know, and also to remember, not just what’s coming up, like maybe some past things But also what they’re experiencing because as we know, when we write it down, you know, a lot of times, especially those spiritual highs or things like that, it’s like a dream, we kind of can forget about it, you know, so, so it’s just guiding people with questions and things to you know, use how they want really, but like one student, she, when she got her set of silks there was Ruby was one of the colors and it actually made her angry, it agitated her, you know, because it was a kind of a red but it has more violet in it. And then in her journey of, you know, healing and growing and all that and by the end, she was wanting to find a color for her new office. And she ended up painting it this Ruby like luckily it was just one wall because that could be a lot, you know, sure in all the walls but but you know, there again, you know, when she was putting out there They’re to our group and things. You know, in our Facebook group, it’s like, What color? What color? Do you think I should you know, and always, I never want to tell someone, I want them to find it themselves. And it surprised me. And by the end, Ruby was so empowering for her. And she had come through so much to be able to speak our truth and heal some things and be empowered. And that’s part of the Ruby quality to have this, like this laser beam of God. You know, that just those patterns that we can get stuck in, but then when we heal it, it’s really empowering. So

Brandon Handley 50:34
I love that. I love that. Absolutely. And then and then, like you said, two archangels are a big part of of everything that you do, but they’re also part of the class that you teach. Right?

Anna Champagne 50:48
Yeah. And I’ve been surprised because people, a lot of people don’t know too much about the angels, angels, and they’ve really been loving hearing about them and learning and using them. So

So that’s been the feedback so far.

Brandon Handley 51:02
I mean, I love I love that you’re doing that. And just curious why you’re surprised by

Unknown Speaker 51:11
that there.

Anna Champagne 51:14
I don’t know, I guess because I just have lived with them so long that I just, you know, sometimes we take it for granted what we do know and things like that and, and a lot of the people I know, know of them, but, uh, yeah, I guess I’ve just been happy that they’ve really because I never want to push any like anything on anybody I want to, you know, it’s part of the course. It’s, it’s, at first I wasn’t sure how much it was going to be part of it. But then it’s like, it’s just so tied in, you know, with those divine qualities and, and the way that archangels work is you know, so you call to them for more compassion or more empowerment or motivation or killing truth. You know, abundance. They literally that’s what their job is that they resonate at that specific frequency of that divine quality. And then they literally when they’re asked to come because they have to be asked, they’ll come and really stand right in your energy field and reinforce that pattern until you can kind of hold it for yourself. So they’re really helpful.

Unknown Speaker 52:30
I love it. No.

Unknown Speaker 52:33
And I think that you hit on one of the things there. I know for me,

Brandon Handley 52:39
I’m so used to my own language, right? I’m so used to what I speak, and I’m surrounded by people that, you know, it’s not an echo chamber, but they understand me, right? It’s like, Oh, well, you know, there’s like, 20 of us here and all 20 of us know the same thing. So pretty sure everybody knows that. We tend to forget just how long it took us to get to this place right away. And then you know, like today, right? You’re telling me about these. I’m taking notes. I’m like angels and you know, Archangel books, what would be what would be, you know? And since I’m saying that will be a book where somebody could kind of understand a little bit more about archangels and what you’re talking about, they’re calling them and seeing that vibration or feeling that vibration,

Anna Champagne 53:22
do you have anything I’m working on the color healing book. Not withstanding, actually, this this book of the angels of love and light. My friend, Mario’s Michael George wrote, or painted all the paintings and I actually got permission from him to use the images in my course and in my lectures and things nice. So on his website, which is my reuse, fine art calm, you can actually download for free you know, if you sign up for his email list, but he’s very generous. You can actually download the book And I, you know, offered to my students, I tell them about it. And I think one of them said that it didn’t come with the color photograph. So then you know, he has those that you can buy of these amazing artworks that he does. So that that’s, that’s a great book. Because there’s, you know, there’s different ones out there and they might have you know, different energies that they’re, they’re different, you know, there’s different systems, there’s different energy, so it’s good to just kind of feel it out. Because if something doesn’t feel right, with any book that you go to, there’s just something that doesn’t feel right. No, that that’s just there’s something in it that maybe isn’t right for you. So

Brandon Handley 54:43
that’s fair. So you know, but there are books out there then that if somebody were to be interested in what you’re talking about, I could definitely talk to it and you know, if they continue to be interested in the archangels and the colors and you know, they should head on over to your course. While we go ahead and mentioned your wedding go, they go to the course and where’s they gonna find you to connect with you and other places?

Anna Champagne 55:10
Yep. Well, one of my websites is a path of beauty.com. And that has my blog. And so we talked about color and, and you know, nature and flowers are a big part of it too, you know, because there is such an energy and there’s actually in shamanism you know, the Devas and all of the plants and the flowers are really a four kind of an angel, you know? So, um, so I spent a lot of time there. And so yeah, so I take photographs, and that’s just another one of my joys of what I do. And that has a lot of the Healing Sessions different things and then on a champagne soaks calm is where you can find a lot more of my soaks. And then right now, to find out about the core It’s on a champagne soaks.com slash color dash healing dash course

Brandon Handley 56:10
awesome thank you and they can find you on Facebook and oh yeah so you’re on all the social media and a champion

Anna Champagne 56:18
some more than others but you know what we all have to find our way

Brandon Handley 56:22
Sure. Sure. And your site I think is pat the beauty or the is that your garden I see a lot of flower pictures of that

Anna Champagne 56:31
my travels because I travel all over everywhere I go I

you know, visit beautiful gardens if they’re not my own,

Brandon Handley 56:39
know that they’re, they’re beautiful. They are beautiful, beautiful flowers and beautiful pictures on there. So thanks for sharing those with us as well. Is there anything else that you think that we should hit on that maybe we didn’t today um

Anna Champagne 56:53
just to just to be gentle with yourself, you know, with ourselves with all you know me too, because I can Be hard of myself to, and, and just keep healing so that you can find the love and respect for others because, you know, a lot of things are coming up in the world that are very divided. And, you know, this and that and, and, you know, it’s just time that we heal what’s causing the discord in the separation. And you know, and the beauty of it too is we’re all individual presences. So it’s not ever going to be like boring or we’re all going to be the same because that’s impossible. You know, it’s like a flowers in a garden. So, so, um, and that’s what I call a path of beauty just just living from that, you know, beautiful place.

Brandon Handley 57:47
Sure. You mentioned you know, before we go here, you mentioned a hand plants is kind of crazy right now. If you could take one silk color and wrap it all up which color would we what color How would we heal the planet with today?

Anna Champagne 58:01
Oh boy, I could go through

Well, it needs a lot of violet for that transforming, you know, transmuting those patterns but Emerald is very soothing and very healing So, and then always the pink Ray, you know is is that unconditional love? Do you want to have some yellow in there too for that wisdom? I love and of course blue. You can’t do it without Archangel Michael protecting us all in our path. So for Sorry,

Brandon Handley 58:36
I couldn’t say one. can’t just pick one. I get it. It’s okay. It’s okay. The world needs them. All right. So, Anna, thank you, Ana. Ana, thank you so much for hanging out with me today and sharing your story and sharing some really great insights and practical applications. I really appreciate it.

Anna Champagne 58:54
Well, thank you so much. I really enjoyed spending time with you and I really appreciate it and Yeah

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Jeremy Snowden

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there podcast land thanks for tuning in. We are taking another hit a spiritual dope and today I’ve got Jeremy snowed and joining me He is a dad, a granddad friend and men’s mentor. He finds fulfillment being a resource a community connector. He runs a men’s growth and development group Hero’s Journey men’s online discussion circle, and host a biannual man’s three days meetup. He spends his free time discovering life hacks, physical movement and mindfulness practices. Jeremy, thanks for joining me today. What’s going on? What’s up?

Jeremy Snowden 0:38
What’s up? Thanks so much for the invitation, man. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:41
yeah, I don’t it was like, it was kind of like, it was a no brainer. You know, it was like, you know, we we’ve crossed paths, Facebook paths so many times, right. When I spun this up, I was like, you won’t point so just you’re kind of like a brother, brother from another mother right type of thing. Cuz, like, I think we’re the same people. Right. Right. And and and the more we have these conversations, the more we kind of find that that’s true. You and I were just talking before this about a mutual, you know, mentor that we found online. Eddie Bryant, right, who’s doing who’s doing some stuff. And you mentioned I just discovered on the week before, so I was like, this is just, yeah, it’s fun. It’s fun. And it’s funny. So before we even get started, man, so before we even get started, I feel like I feel like we’re kind of like, we’re conduits for the creative energies forces in the universe, right? Yeah. And we’re put together right now on this podcast, to speak to somebody. Right? And somebody needs to hear this, and it needs to come from you. What is it?

Unknown Speaker 1:51
Man?

Jeremy Snowden 1:52
Okay, so Wow, right on the spot, did you Okay, so

I think more than anything else

For me if I was if I was looking at the person that needs to hear this you are a human being not a human doing you know there’s more to you than you know that you’re at then you’re aware of

and just fully embody yourself No

I think that would be a good

Brandon Handley 2:24
I love it. I love it man right i mean you’re you’re you’re a human being not a human doing we get so caught up. Gosh, reactivity, right all the activity although RUN RUN, RUN doo doo doo I got to be productive man. If I’m not productive, they’re gonna kick me off the team.

Jeremy Snowden 2:42
Right? The pressure and the stress? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:45
yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I love it. I love it. You’re a human being.

Unknown Speaker 2:51
And I think the other thing is,

Brandon Handley 2:53
knowing yourself right? And when you get into this kind of the spiritual realm and And you’re you’re getting into all these different involve with all these different groups. Excuse me. And these conversations, the word self can take on a number of connotations, right? Come on, what do you got? So tell me what you know. So, I’ll give you an example of something that I saw this morning. And it actually had to do kind of like Maslow’s law, right? hierarchy of needs. And when you get to the top there, it’s self expression, self actualization. Ah, true. So, I mean, you know, if I asked you what that meant to you to basically that’s the pinnacle, self expression, Self Realization, what does that mean? Right?

Jeremy Snowden 3:42
Wow, that’s deep. For me, I guess it is finding experiences where I can be the observer, so that I can see myself clearly, you know, so depression in a wave of just that one the day that you just don’t want to get out of That it just feels like your blanket is concrete, you know? And you can’t explain it or anything. And so I have to, I call it father myself or, you know, work within my higher self, if you will. And almost to put my hand on my shoulder, if you will, and say, Hey, I know what you’re feeling. Yeah. It’s almost like it’s two separate people or, you know, like my tradition. It’s you know, you’re a tripartite three part being spirit soul body, you have a spirit, you know, or I’m sorry, you are spirit you live in, you know, you have a soul you live in a body, you know, and now it seems like it’s probably more complex and yet more simple. It’s just but at any point, it’s just seeing myself in those feelings, I can feel this I’m not those feelings. Right. But I you know, I can resonate with those feelings. Who’s the it does that that’s me. You know, you talk to yourself. A couple of days ago, I was like, let’s have pizza and I was like, Who’s let’s

Brandon Handley 5:06
good idea for us to go get these things together. And that’s great though I was just I was just listening to a book this morning actually. It’s called mastering your emotions and the exercises in there is is what you just talked about, right? One of those is very powerful exercise you you see you see this observer exercise actually happen a

Unknown Speaker 5:26
lot in NLP, right? I’m not

Brandon Handley 5:29
sure yet, right. So it’s the same thing you you, you You see, first of all, you’re already here right? But if you can remove yourself one or two or three times and see that situation just like you said, you know you’re in that better fathering yourself. I love that because you know, as a father, you know what that means by you. Put your hand on on your shoulder, and you’re going to walk yourself out there with comfort and care and say, Hey, Paul, we got this we got right. And we’re gonna go face this, whatever it is. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, love that the concrete blanket man that made me feel I felt it. I felt that corps right. Yeah, man. So, you know, my tradition is what what is your tradition? Because you said my in my tradition,

Jeremy Snowden 6:11
right? My historically if you will, first time I make the distinction between religion and spirituality, right. I’m not religious, I’m spiritual.

Brandon Handley 6:20
Yeah, show Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 6:21
Right. Yeah. But at the same time, it was, you know, growing up in up drew up in a Christian environment, if you will, okay. And everything was about hierarchies, structures and pecking orders. It just life in general. You know, like, who makes the most money who’s the cutest who’s the tallest, the smartest, prettiest? Sure. Um, you know, and just that, that linear thinking like that. And so, for me, breaking out of that, I don’t know if this is the proper time to talk about that or not, but basically just I was, you know, a very Launch Bible believer in you know, born again Christian you know for quite some time and while I do admire and respect a lot of my, a lot of my time there and of course my friends and my you know who become your, your family that you choose, you know? Sure it’s I can see it now and you know having the whole dark night of the soul or nights or months you know. Right So, but in that I can see the need for that as a part of part of my life. So that was my background. Sure.

Brandon Handley 7:31
Yeah. It’s funny you say that right? Like I’m I’m not religious, but I am spiritual and I think that a lot of people get that confused. I don’t have a religion. Yeah. But I am spiritual right because I think that you know, you have a religion you’re not you are not religious you have it right. Like, that’s your background and your your kind of upbringing and, and, and, you know, the path that you follow, and it’s funny that you bring up you know, we we have Eddie Bryan and In common a couple weeks ago like i said i was first I listened to him but you know there’s some he talks about Vedanta and Hinduism right and he talks about all the different paths of Hinduism and right in the end he does it sooner or later you just got to bet on one line later just got it you got it you got a bet on one Yeah. Oh it because otherwise you’re just always kind of popping around Yeah. And it It’s funny how I landed on the just pick one theory or idea and I got that through the science of getting rich Wallace D wattles. Right I’ve never read that book. I mean, it’s it’s my all time it’s in my top five man it’s such a great book. But it’s like just follow just read this one book and don’t read any don’t pay attention to anything else for like until you This is part of your soul,

Unknown Speaker 8:54
bro.

Brandon Handley 8:56
I’m so sorry to dive down in that right so okay. So you’re running the men’s group. Let’s give a little more background journey man like, I mean, let’s let’s do this first, I always like to talk about the front end of it, you know, what is it you’re doing? Tell us about? Tell us about your tell us about the men’s group, right? The hero’s journey, men’s online discussion circle, right? Like, how did that get started? And what’s going on?

Jeremy Snowden 9:21
Yeah, so almost two years, well,

longer than two years ago, I connected with some guys and some Facebook groups. And I was just blown away to see what the same questions over and over and over again. You know, my wife cheated on me, you know, or my wife left me or my girlfriend, you know, yada, yada. Or we can’t give a lot we can never, you know, come to a conclusion on anything or whatever. Right? And so I figured, you know, I’m throwing my opinion in this whole thing, just to see what happens to kind of see where I’m at with my peers. You know, where are we at? You guys don’t know me from Adam. I don’t know you from Adam. And you. It’s almost like my friend of mine, Andy. You might No to he and he’s just he just trolls your stuff because he thinks you’re cool. You know? We can’t is it silly?

Brandon Handley 10:07
Yeah, yes. No, he’s funny though. So he doesn’t get a choice. Great troll. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 10:12
And he’s like, and he’s sort of my, my spiritual project, you know, to get him to start walking along that

Brandon Handley 10:20
path. Don’t go to the dark side.

Jeremy Snowden 10:22
Right and he’s he’s doing everything he can to, you know, push, push it up, push me off it but Anyway, I digress. But he says, You know, I said something about, you know, just try not to read the comments right about now with everything heated up. You read people’s comments, and you’re just like, oh, but he retorted and said that it’s all about the comments. And really, that’s that’s that’s community right there. Yeah, you can actually trace your community within those comments. You know, CS Lewis said it this way, and I’ll get off my soapbox. He said, I mean,

Brandon Handley 10:55
this is immunity. That’s exactly what this is the soapbox, bro. That’s why we’re here. All right. All right.

Jeremy Snowden 11:02
community doesn’t happen until someone else says YouTube. Mm hmm. You know, and so I created an online community of people that like, we have the same kind of challenges, you know, a lot of them are still married or, or, you know, some art, you know, and the thing that we do is we use the book as an excuse a friend of mine, Stan, you can you might know him as well. Stan, Michael, he, he wants to talk to me about the law of the third’s, it’s very similar to this mode to Brandon is like, you know, I have this light ring. I don’t know if you have a light rain, but I kind of see that as my vortex. You know, I mean, like, it’s, it’s almost like, if we were to practice you know, like all of the different magical traditions, if you will, where you could look through water and see spirit on the other side. That’s what we’re

Brandon Handley 11:56
doing. You know, we’re ending the evil stepmother and Mirror mirror on the wall. fairest of them all right. I mean, come on somebody that stops everywhere, right? Like, here’s the thing, like, here’s the thing is what’s so great about like this space is like, once you realize you tripped over into it, you’re like, Oh, it’s everywhere. Everybody’s been trying to tell me my entire life.

Jeremy Snowden 12:16
Come on. Right? Right on your face, right?

Brandon Handley 12:20
Mm hmm. I mean, we’ll cliches and you know, stuff. Your parents told you that you said, Nah, shut up. Stop. You’re crazy. Don’t talk to my friends. Right? It’s everywhere. I was I was on the plane, coming back from Denver. And I was watching the Madeline L’Engle movie with Oprah in it. A stitch in time, A Wrinkle in Time, Wrinkle in Time, man. And it was everything you and I are about and I was like, I was taking notes like furious. I was like, oh, brah Oh, Oprah, not again, more Oprah right um, Mirror mirror on the wall. Right, just like yeah, that’s the vortex that’s looking looking, looking looking. piercing the veil, right?

Jeremy Snowden 13:06
Yes. I’m

Brandon Handley 13:09
with you. Yeah, tell me more. So Hero’s Journey hero’s journey. Tell us all Batman.

Jeremy Snowden 13:14
So it’s very similar, right? You could see these different themes in everybody’s lives. We’re all living the same life.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Suddenly, let’s talk about the things right, let’s talk about let’s talk about the hero’s journey. Because if you’re not familiar with it, who’s it come from?

Jeremy Snowden 13:31
Joseph Campbell, is a mythologist very wise man who did research to be able to see these common themes and all stories Star Wars, right? Um,

Brandon Handley 13:45
gosh, went nuts. Oh, so if is he recently like that went went went when was he? You know, I do know some history on him. But I you know, I’m not this is not a test. But I want I want I want people to hear from you. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 14:00
No, kind of monopoly,

Jeremy Snowden 14:02
probably circa and I can look it up too.

But probably circa 1950s around that time, I guess

Brandon Handley 14:09
so he predates he predates Star Wars and all that

Jeremy Snowden 14:13
stuff, right? For sure. For sure. And yeah, just pulling him up here just as a nerd

Brandon Handley 14:18
with rain. Sure, man. So, before,

Jeremy Snowden 14:21
right so yeah, he was born. Right so

1904 so in died 1987 So, yeah, he was an inspiration to Steve Lucas. Is that right? I’m not a big Star Wars fan but Lucas. Lucas right, George There it goes. I think he’s towards. I’m showing my own coolness right now to some of your audience. Yeah, but anyway, um, he just really, you know, well, it says he was influenced, for instance by Nisha Christian Judy Krishnamurti. Carl Jung. I mean, just Schopenhauer. I mean, like he basically canonized The concept of you know that the departure, the initiation of the hero, and the return, you know, and with each and there’s got subsections and all that you could read on it, of course online. But it’s just that we have the same story except I think in my mind’s eye, I’m thinking what you talked about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs kind of the same thing. You know, I’m saying there’s, there’s levels to this shit.

Brandon Handley 15:25
Right, right, right, though. Absolutely.

Jeremy Snowden 15:27
And unfortunately, we talked about it earlier, maybe some people this round just don’t want to get it.

Brandon Handley 15:32
Well, there’s a there’s a section in the story, right is some people reject the hero’s call, right? Because the beginning there, right? is is is okay. And and here’s, you know, if you want my take on it, which you’re not asking for, but I’ll give it to you. Ain’t on me. Right. So we’ve got the hero’s journey. Then there’s, there’s the call of the hero, right? That’s when you’re when you and I are in this journey, we felt something I mean, so overwhelming that if you didn’t do it, something inside you died. Yeah. Right if you don’t and that’s so that’s the that’s the hero’s call, right? The hero’s call is, is there’s something

Unknown Speaker 16:17
within me that if I don’t share it,

Brandon Handley 16:21
if I don’t help to give this away

Unknown Speaker 16:24
within my lifetime I may as well stop now. Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
So you feel that and then you have a couple opportunities to say Nah, fuck that I’m gonna go have a beer. Right? Right and so you can sub you can sub do that in a number of ways. And and I’m not sure if you ever watched the series on Netflix it’s called the umbrella factory. And and what I realized by watching the umbrella factory was there’s one girl on there I’m not not to give away the whole plot, but like she was subdued her entire life from her innate superpowers. By medication, right Though, you know, to what where I’m getting there is is like a religion, ad. You know, people who my grandmother was diagnosed as schizophrenic now, we didn’t have like we weren’t super close, but the question begs to be answered. What’s your medium? Yeah, right. Right. And and there wasn’t, there wasn’t the space in the place, then that we’ve got now available to allow for that. Yeah, to explore that, which is I love where we are now. So, to me, the hero’s call is just that right? There is something within you, right? And if you if you don’t answer that, you’ve got to suppress it. And that’s when you start to kind of each time because it’s going to be it’s going to come more than once. It’s gonna keep coming right there every, every moment in your life is kind of an opportunity for that hero’s call, right? Yeah. And if you don’t answer that You’re gonna wither away and die. Yeah. Yeah, that’s my take on it.

Jeremy Snowden 18:04
What do I think that’s wonderful man, that’s, that’s really good. I love this volley. Plain and simple is because that’s how I grow. You know, for the longest I looked around to people that were in suits on Sunday morning, and it’s like, you guys can’t bring the fire here What’s going on? You know, and I was like, there’s got to be more. And it’s not that they weren’t good people. It’s just that sometimes when we put constraints on our, our faith or our religion, whatever it is, right, it’s, it’s we kind of like it’s like, I used to lead worship, you know, so and I love worship music. But it was like, only part of the dance and when I when I when I stepped down from that, if you will, and began to sit down on my back porch, right, and, you know, dance in front of the moon. Nobody else is around. It’s just me and God. So everything outside of my body is dancing with me. It felt more authentic. Then, you know, playing and although I still play music I still love. I still love worship music but it seemed that I was, you know, we could we following a rigid tradition didn’t allow me or spirit for me to be able to just blossom it just kept me in this kind of in a confined space so sure, sure kind

Brandon Handley 19:21
of like kind of like I mean, if you think about a tangle of roots and in a confined space in a box, right, like I mean, there’s just

Unknown Speaker 19:29
nowhere to go.

Brandon Handley 19:30
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it’s fair, but I’m just curious too, because all right, look, you’ve got this group you’re doing you’re and you’re and you’re walking them through, like the hero’s journey, right? So I stopped everybody here for a second at, you know, rejecting the call. So what happens when you answered a call is you know, take me there. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 19:48
Well, I mean, first off, and I know this different for everybody. I mean, number one is when i don’t know i don’t get probably the same thing. Granted, it’s like even the cashier will start telling me about it. Marriage, you know, I’m saying and it’s so it’s like you know, I gotta also safeguard my energy at the same time but it’s like working with guys that are like somes kind of like a little off and I need some just help. What they really need is just somebody to walk with them that second phase right, which is the initiation right percent, right. So it’s, it’s and it’s it’s Simba or I’m sorry. It’s symbols friends. Timonium, Puma. Yeah. Cool.

Brandon Handley 20:30
Right. So now saying that the other day I don’t even care. No.

Jeremy Snowden 20:34
Yeah. And then you have her freaky, right, the monkey that shows the bigger picture, if you will, right. And then the mentor Right, so the mystic, mystical mentor. There you go. And that’s where I mean again, that the hero’s journey arc works Yoda all stories, right. There you go. Right. Go. So walking with them is it for me at least it’s as much as just for saying I see you. Yeah, I see you. And he’s like, looking at you now. Right? You’ve done it.

Unknown Speaker 21:06
I’ll tell you

Brandon Handley 21:08
that, that that saves me. when when when, you know, when that happened to me, I was like something was a little off. And I had to reach out to, you know, three, three people, three different people. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 21:21
I don’t know what’s going on. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:24
I’m not losing my shit, but I’m not quite right. I just thought I’d let you guys know. Right? And at same time also reached out to a Buddhist Reverend friend, right? I said, Hey, here’s what I’m feeling. And he goes, you’re cool. I was like, working with them. Right. But to your point, this is a little over three years ago. The I had the exact same feeling of, hey, look, I want to be the greeter. Right? Kind of like a scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.

Unknown Speaker 21:58
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:00
We’re gonna cross paths you’re gonna cross paths or paths are gonna interweave. You’re on the way to Emerald City. I’m sure I’ll walk along with you for a while.

Jeremy Snowden 22:08
We’re off to see the wizard. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 22:11
yeah, so exactly the same. Yeah. Tell me more.

Jeremy Snowden 22:14
Yeah. So a lot of the times, it’s, it’s a matter to, I mean, it’s just us watching them as kids, we had invisible friends. Right. And then we’re told, well, that’s stupid, you know, but I think that they serve whether they were real, you know, if you can, if you if you accept, you know, spirits or demons or whatever, if you go along that track are whether they are just an aspect or element of our own spirit or mind. You know, however you see it, they serve a purpose, you know, and one of those is to, to watch, like, you know, again, is my tradition. It’s like, there are such things, it’s watchers, right? Have you noticed a lot of paintings that people do when they’re shrooms are a plant medicine. There’s a lot of eyes around the eyes have it? Sure. So, you know, sometimes people just need you to be their spotter, you know, as they’re going through that stuff. You don’t need to have.

Brandon Handley 23:15
Yeah, you listen, you Listen, don’t trip by yourself on the first time, right? Like everybody knows that. I’m just saying, right? Like, it’s, it’s, it’s very similar though, right? Like, you know, you want to be in a safe place and especially when you’re in a vulnerable condition such as an awakening or such as like, you know, especially look men are just as vulnerable as anybody else. I I believe, more so because if they’re going through the, you know, the call to hero, right. And they don’t know where to turn. Most of us haven’t been prepared for this. Yes. Right or don’t recognize, right don’t recognize that they’ve been prepared for now because I’ll I would also say that due to the Your religion, you were able to put things into some kind of framework. You’re like, you know what, holy shit. there’s a there’s a story in the Bible that lines up to the scene that I’m going through right now, what was the outcome? And you could you can say in your mind, right, this was the outcome. What does that outcome really mean, though? Because that outcome no longer is, is this kind of this story, right? No, this is no longer like, you know, you know, the walls of Jericho, just falling down what, you know, what was that story? If I could put that into modern language, right, I circled it, you know, XYZ times. And, you know, is that a story of patience and perseverance of you know, and that’s what this really meant, right? And that’s what I’m experiencing. Sure. Is, did you have that? You know, is that how you kind of translated your, is that what made it easier for you or was it is it a journey that kind of like really set the tone for you?

Jeremy Snowden 24:56
Right, right. Well, it was, I guess, It was a mixture of both. So as you were sharing, I was like, dude, I’m I’m letting him go, because this is really this is solid meat here. This is about where I’m at. So it came to a point where and I won’t go into that on the just because for time sake, but, you know, I was going through my dark night of the soul if you will season right. And I just realized I need to zoom up a little further and not just assume that text, no offense to anybody else, any text. Okay, so across the board for me, if it does not resonate with my heart, I just can’t receive it. Right. Right. So if I can apply it because I think it’s wholesome, right? I mean, I All scripture is given for admiration and for admonition and examples for us and got out and I believe that they’re good. They’re good stories. Some of them don’t apply the way that I was told they applied. And so I have to, you know, observe them as the self Right, yeah. As it’s just like, you know, looking at your kids candy, I hate to, you know, make the word candy, you know, I’m saying but it’s like, you know, when you’re at Halloween, you’re just checking get your, you know, you get your fill of Reese’s Pieces that

Brandon Handley 26:14
you find those passwords don’t need all those candy.

Jeremy Snowden 26:18
But, you know, I had to I had to scrutinize each thoughts, you know, of any any text. So that’s why I’m listening to, you know, Edwin Bryant right now. And, you know, the yoga sutras of Patanjali. It’s because there are words there. They’re, what three 5000 years old. And he is explaining them and I even have to scrutinize him for myself for my own personal self right now. Not out loud, right? I’m

Brandon Handley 26:48
good.

Jeremy Snowden 26:49
All right, all the greats I don’t I just, I’ve come here on the same dispensation and it’s my responsibility to unpack it. You know, there’s a difference. I put it this way. There’s a difference. belief and faith, right?

And it’s like, yeah, was that media?

Yeah. So like faith is all scripture calls faith substance. Right? It’s a substance. Okay? Right. Whereas belief seems to me to be just an ideology, you know, and it’s like, sometimes we mistake I have in the past mistakes as interchangeable. But then when my ideology falls apart, that’s when your faith has to come alive. So that’s what happened. Okay, so when, when that happened, because of the dark night of the soul, right, I decided to investigate and search things to see if they’re actually what they really are for, for my own selves.

Brandon Handley 27:43
And describe, like dark night, a soul a little bit. So for somebody that, you know, that feels like they’ve been through it, or you know, or what does it mean to you because I think that that has a different meaning to people to

Unknown Speaker 27:55
write.

Jeremy Snowden 27:58
I think it’s part of this The Hero’s Journey story arc, if you will, in the dragons, the the bankruptcy, the divorce the, you know, the difference stimuluses that caused the response in you? Is it parallelisation? Like, I’ve been there, like, you know, where you’re just paralyzed, you don’t know what to do. It was Wednesday, like, a day ago, and now it’s, you know, Sunday morning or whatever, you know, you just kind of lose track of everything. It’s best. That’s my own personal experience. I don’t really cry a lot. It’s not.

Brandon Handley 28:31
I mean, is it like a depression point? Is it a focal point? Do you have to kind of hit?

Jeremy Snowden 28:38
Okay, so, very similar to what you said. It’s like, Is there a diagnosis for it? That is actually right. Or do we just what is what we call depression? Right? Yeah.

Is it? Is that

Unknown Speaker 28:54
the call? Sure you

Jeremy Snowden 28:57
believe so. You know, think it’s thick. Right, and they have to withdraw themselves and and heal themselves or not you know and so you know I kind of think that ladder it’s yeah I think you’re right my mom actually was kids phrenic and we her and I lived with her demons you know as her behavior is powerful

Brandon Handley 29:21
I mean how do you look at that now?

Jeremy Snowden 29:25
Yeah so i i i don’t know in terms of we’ve I guess my sisters and I’ve we’ve we’ve had that those conversations is a demon is a devils that are like literal doubles. Is it just the serotonin synaptic gaps and durose transmitters that blah blah, you know, misfire Listen, listen to I mean, there’s always there’s always a science psychology about it, right? Like I’m right. And that’s, that’s frustrating, right? Because you can science away just about anything you want. Right?

Brandon Handley 29:56
Let’s talk about it from let’s talk about it from just your You know, your own life experience perception, your own human words? Know what’s out. You know, if you’re looking at that right now, like I said about my grandmother does that, you know, all right, well, Was she a medium? Was there something was she in contact when you got plenty of people that say I talk to angels, you know, is there something trying to communicate through her and it was a matter of if she had had the right teacher or teaching. It could have been just tremendous power that could have brought good into the world.

Unknown Speaker 30:31
Sure.

Jeremy Snowden 30:33
Isn’t that crazy, too? And could it be I mean, and rest are soul. It could it be that she denied the call?

Brandon Handley 30:42
Don’t so that’s the thing, right? If you don’t, if you’re not,

Unknown Speaker 30:46
so, for me, a lot of this is already like my first language.

Brandon Handley 30:54
I was raised this way like my mother was I was born out in San Francisco. My mom was like, I mean I picked up the exact same eaching book. She got like, I’m stupid, retarded. Like, I mean, everything she ever said is like, I’m like, Oh my gosh, she was right. Right. and and, and and like, I mean, yeah, you know, I brought up Alan Watts with her and she’s like, Oh yeah, I remember seeing him in San Francisco, Alan. Know. And so, so when I experienced all this stuff, I kind of had a background in it right. I was like,

Jeremy Snowden 31:29
nice. It was almost like I’m

Brandon Handley 31:34
falling into like, down comforters. Wow, you were just like beautiful gowns. You know, like, wow, I was like, Man, this is a great place to be. Yeah. How can I explain to everybody else where I’m at, right like, I mean, and and do it in a way and that’s part about this podcast, right? How can you know a big part of it’s okay, great. It’s cool. You feel that way, but How can you apply that in? Yeah, practicality, right? And so, so you’re doing that in your group, right? you’re grabbing these men. And you’re saying, All right, we’re cool here. This is a safe space. Here’s what you’re going through, and you’re using the hero’s journey to walk them along the journey. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 32:19
So through the challenges of everyday life through divorce or whatever. And also like, like, in my case, for instance, which in the hero’s journey Ark, my dragon was hell. I mean, Holy moly, right. I mean, like, if I’m wrong, I can get a, you know, you know, don’t collect $200 go directly to hell, you know, find stamped and it’s your own. It’s your own damn fault, Jeremy, because I’m now seeking things or allowing things or understanding things that are contrary to my upbringing, if you will. So that was my that was that was that I was just so afraid. You know what What people are gonna think, you know, how people are gonna act toward me, now that I’m able to hold space for a wizard, if I wanted to, you know, I’m saying, you know, or somebody else, it’s all welcome here.

Brandon Handley 33:11
Sorry. I’m sure the reference behind that. I don’t even know, man, I’m just you know, let’s just like it’s just like, hey, like, you know, all are welcome. Nobody’s kind of kept out. Right. And so that’s kind of what you were you’re talking about. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 33:25
Right. But it was because I hit that firewall and push through it, you know, and what if I can give? Can I give a brief example, dude? Yeah, absolutely. Please do. So a couple of years ago, I did plant medicine over at a Native American church. Right. Okay. And I was like, for sure. This is the thing that sends you to hell

Brandon Handley 33:45
right here, for sure. Was that the first time you’ve ever done plant medicine? Yes. Yeah. Okay. What is plant medicine?

Jeremy Snowden 33:53
Well, I guess.

I think I guess that’s not exactly true, but From a vantage point of hallucinogenic as a medicinal

Brandon Handley 34:04
right for medicinal purposes well yeah as originally intended

Jeremy Snowden 34:09
one could argue that marijuana is plant medicine. Sure. Absolutely. Talking about that about and I westca no it’s the it’s the South American route that is extracted created into a tea you drink it shit yourself, etc etc.

Brandon Handley 34:24
There’s nowhere to go a little declare. Gives you as

Jeremy Snowden 34:29
many Doritos as

you want. You’re like, absolutely

Brandon Handley 34:35
good exchange.

Jeremy Snowden 34:36
So, you know, in my mind’s eye, I was like, I mean, I changed my will before I went in you know, I mean, it was I was thinking this I prepared with intentions, etc. about it. I meditated and prayed on it, and then I, you know, I went in, put your money down. That’s where it’s at, right everywhere. So I’m in of course, I won’t go into the experience right now, but The thing is, is that things that I seen made sense to me. Yeah. It makes sense to me in a way that maybe the things that I’ve read didn’t make sense to me. Sure. I didn’t change my religion, or if you will, so much as it it really helped me to open my spirit, if you will. Everybody should do it, because it was a trip and a half and it was a heavy deal,

Brandon Handley 35:24
you know, about no doubt. Well, but I mean, look, I it’s kind of like, um, it’s kind of like the the walls are already weakened. And that just, you know, that just

Unknown Speaker 35:37
positive in a damn

Jeremy Snowden 35:39
right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You know, it didn’t make me better. It didn’t make me a better father or husband or getting married or anything. It just changed you. Exactly. I mean, let’s just, even if you look at it from a purely scientific standpoint, you know, where it was the who’s hallucinogenic. It’s, you know, It was legal the way that I obtained it the whole nine yards. So I’m pretty certain that but it’s, you know, I’m just

Brandon Handley 36:06
waiting for the address at the end of the show.

Jeremy Snowden 36:14
Well, but the thing that if you just look at it from a scientific point of view, where it’s just a hallucinogenic that, you know, responded to your nervous system, creating a sense of euphoria and blah, blah, blah, colors, right, good shit. It was right. Nonetheless, it wasn’t really about the experience, right? Because it really is about the outcome. Really, right. Yeah. I, this experience is a great, everybody’s got it. Right. You know,

Brandon Handley 36:44
you take it, I mean, look at me, it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, everybody’s got experiences, right? It’s, it’s not that you don’t have the experiences How do you translate those experiences? And that’s, that’s really the outcome, like so it’s it’s every, you know, You know, my wife has never done any hardcore drugs, or drugs. I don’t think she’s ever smoked a weed or maybe she took a hit, but like, she never was like, hey, let’s sit around all afternoon and like smoke his bowl, like, Oh my God just filled the bottled water, right? Like she never hung out did all that, but like, um, you know, she’ll have some drinks and whatever. But so she’s had experiences that she’s had. And I’ve had, you know, plenty of experiences similar to one I just outlined and much rougher and tougher. And she looks at my life like, wow, you went through some shit. I’m like, it’s not. Everybody’s gone through some shit. It’s somebody translate that how do you? How do you take your stories, and empower yourself? Because what we’ve done though, historically, and I think this is part of what you’re teaching your men and working with your men is take these stories and your experiences, and empower yourself. And that’s kind of the pinnacle of the hero’s journey is that my writers? Tell me more. I’m talking way too much. Yes,

Jeremy Snowden 37:56
this is the collaborate. I think it’s great but the return That’s the final third of the hero’s journey the return when, you know King off, Arthur is able to pull the sword from the stone where Simba grabs the courage to be able to, you know, go and get his bride and defeat his uncle and circle and lie, you know. So. So it’s it’s again, it’s it’s, it’s the, it’s the return and for me, it’s like well, we started at the, you know the departure like with some some of my guys, we started the departure, and I don’t determine that for you. Like, I’m very careful not to try to dictate what I see God as for someone else. Yeah, you can’t. Right. Right, right. Yeah. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 38:42
So that’s what that’s what it is frustrating. Um, and that’s the product it’s frustrating but it’s also the problem because you Yeah, it’s uh, if you say you know, God, then you don’t know God type thing, right? Like because

Unknown Speaker 38:58
you can’t, you can’t

Brandon Handley 39:00
Put that into words. If you’ve gotten that kind of the first place that this kind of dawned on me experiences can’t be translated they must be experienced was a de five rings book. If you’ve ever read that, right? Have you ever read that? That Samurai? Oh, yeah. And I was just beginning Jiu Jitsu at the same time, but like he would be talking about like, you know, kind of these different sword moves and swords, spots and spaces. And he can tell you how to do the moves, you can watch how to do the moves, but it’s not until not only do you go try to do the moves, when you nail the move, and you get it right, then you know, you’ve just executed it correctly, right? You’re like, wow, you know, because it’ll be just a muscle here or muscle here and change and adjustment angle here or there. That makes it all work, right. So minor, minor adjustments, but when you nail it, you’ve experienced it. And that’s all you can tell somebody like you’ll know when you get it. Right, you’ll know when you write like algebra and fractions.

Jeremy Snowden 40:05
Yeah. Oh, and you’re like, bingo. Yeah, I got you best nine years of my life.

Brandon Handley 40:16
So, so you’re running this group, you’ve been running this group for a while now. Right? And and you’re, you’re ramping up. You want to expand my right or wrong. For sure. Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Tell me what’s up. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 40:31
So because of my experience of divorce seven years, and just when I was able to kind of release that yoke of what my reality was, or when I created as far as my story, and then realize I used to be, I used to be a husband and a father, then it’d become, you know, an ex husband. I changed roles right. And then the kids stopped calling me because they were certainly going off to high you know, High School in college. So they respect Less than less. And it’s like so now I’m not even a dad. And so it you know, although I was technically Of course, you know, when they needed something specially, but and and it’s just part of their journey they’re they’re doing what they need to do as well. But it really caused me to be up to to look inside to make it happen. And so that’s sort of what I’m approaching other guys that are just having those questions right now. You know so

Brandon Handley 41:26
the question is, what is what are some of the trigger questions you hear and you’re like, you’re like, you’re like I know it. I know you need me. Right, I can help you. What are those questions?

Jeremy Snowden 41:35
Well, the key the key word that I listened for should back in my Bible days, Hey, have you been reading your Bible? Not as much as I should? Sure. Yeah. Are you exercising not as much as I should? It’s like, why don’t you design a life for yourself when you fully embody yourself? And so you know, whenever I hear those kind of things like should how things are supposed to To be or ought to, if they’re open if people are open to it, and again, it’s a matter of audience, right? I don’t know who, who needs me. I’m, I’m just opening myself to do. I’m doing a 21 day kind of a challenge. It’s really not about the 21 days. It’s not about doing activities, although it is it’s just about someone watching you through your journey as you’re developing. So those dark days where you don’t want to get up and you get a text from me that says, you’re making your bed right and you’re doing your five push ups. Put a thumbs up when that’s done, holler to you later. Peace, right? It’ll put a smile on your face. It’ll make you it’ll make you do it even though you don’t want to do it. It’s valid. Right? It’s just it’s it’s billion dollar that they already have. Sure.

Brandon Handley 42:44
Yeah. That hasn’t been on hasn’t been hasn’t been bolstered. Right. It hasn’t been supported. It hasn’t been encouraged,

Jeremy Snowden 42:52
right? Um

Brandon Handley 42:55
I would you know, I would stop were we talking about it. I’m Sure you

Unknown Speaker 43:00
flow, the book flow, you bought a book

Brandon Handley 43:03
is it in his book where he talks about and I think it is in his book where he talks about like, you know, some of the older cultures like in China and Oriental cultures, they cultivated the sense of being, right. They cultivated, they were cultivated people. And we get the sense of and you know, when we say, oh, that person’s cultivated, we this we think aristocratic, we think money, wealth, and all these other things, but know, what he’s talking about is they’ve cultivated that inner sense of being right. They’ve cultivated that, you know, stoicism and applied it and it’s internalized, right. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s what they’ve done. And that’s what we haven’t done. Right. So that in a Western culture, right, you know, and, and, and I’ll throw this other one at you too, because I keep kicking it around. You know, adulting is hard, but you know what, the full word is adulterated. We’ve been adulterated and changed, right? There’s this change and transition. So adulting being adulterated. When we go through this metamorphosis. It’s a it is a challenge. And if you don’t have people like yourself, myself, I’m there to catch you as you come in or greet you, right? I mean, the officer into the church is there to greet you to welcome you like that. Right? It’s You’re welcome here, come into this place where you’re welcome. And and and be prepared to hear some stories that if you’re, they’re no longer pearls before swine, right, that they’re no longer pearls before swine, like, these are all the stories that are now before you that after you cross this threshold of understanding, you get now you’re like, Ah, yeah, because you can’t you I think we’re talking a little bit about this earlier. It’s like you can’t go to people who haven’t already had the experience. Tell them about the experience, and have them ready to accept it because It sounds unreal.

Unknown Speaker 45:02
That’s right. Right. But the beauty is

Brandon Handley 45:08
we’ve got, you know, Vedanta Hinduism, all the stories from you know, the the writing to your pata shots. But I mean even, you know, the the cuneiform Egypt lives this, these are not and this is this is what you’re talking about though these are not new feelings. These are not new questions. These questions have all been answered before. Yeah. But they’ve been answered by generations before us who had other experiences to reference around them. Right. And we’ve got to do that now. We’ve got to retranslate those stories into a language that somebody else can understand.

Jeremy Snowden 45:46
And more or less one that resonates with our just tacking on for me, it’s like, yeah, yeah, right. It’s not something that I’m parroting anymore and not that you’re living it.

Brandon Handley 45:56
You’re living, you’re living it, you’ve embodied it. It is now internalized and when you express yourself, self expression, your inner self. Right? That’s what’s coming out. It’s like the Wayne Dyer thing, right? You know, if you put nothing if you’re an orange, essentially right, the only thing it’s going to come out of you is orange juice because all you’ve been putting in you is pouring right? I mean for you, all you’ve been putting into yourself is like this love, right? I’ve been putting into yourself Is this just the story and your understanding and you’ve been working on yourself? You’ve been cultivating yourself so that you can

Unknown Speaker 46:31
share so that you can get Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 46:34
You know, I find that a lot of guys and again, I work in more in the manned space than I you know, I’ve got of course you know, lots of Lady for fret friends that are women but I pretty much in the man’s face in terms of self development. Um, and maybe that’s just more I’m just that’s how I’m wired. You know, I there’s a lot of common, there’s more commonality, so for sure, but you find that a lot of guys have been motivated and burdened by shame. Okay, it’s, it was the, it was the tool that drew the you know that trival drove him to school, it was the tool that kept him in line. It’s the and then all of a sudden, you know, and that’s where I’m thinking, Man, if people are feeling sensing that on the regular, something’s not right, your, your, your, your heart is as a as a and this is just my experience, if your heart is just pushes that way, it’s like it feels it and it pushes it away. And so sometimes people use excessive alcohol or drugs or whatever, you know, to, or eating or whatever to be able to mask that. But that’s just, that’s just the symptoms, you’re just cutting leaves off the, you know, the, the weed or whatever, you know, but it’s going to continue to grow. It’s just going to be there until you find a way to be able to not even address it, but address yourself. It’s okay. You know, it’s alright, man, everybody makes mistake, I really do it in my there. And just going through that process of not, you know, that self talk process to bring really an impact besides the story, the stories and outside thing, which some of it was true, some of it happened, a lot of it didn’t. And you replayed it, you know, 90,000 times every day over the last 20 years or whatever. So I think that’s why people need to have other people it’s not just by my coaching, you know, video, you know, whatever’s and you will be a millionaire too. It’s, hey, so was it hard brushing your teeth this morning, man. You know, you look tired, like doing a video. You know, like how when you do video with people.

Brandon Handley 48:49
So, you know when I chatted with a doctor who was helping men Go through depression, right? She was actually working on, you know, men who are suicidal, right? Trying to get them help, right because her brother had had done this himself. And so she made that kind of her life’s work

Unknown Speaker 49:15
column

Unknown Speaker 49:22
for three, to one more back.

Brandon Handley 49:27
What are some, like, you know, applications of kind of what we’re talking about there, right? Because it sounds to me a little bit like, you know, using the observer as a tool, right? That’s what it was right? So she would she would say, hey, with men, right? They want to try it first. They want to try to do it on their own first and so she would offer them a toolbox. Do you offer your guys like a toolbox? Beautiful.

Jeremy Snowden 49:49
I think that the the book study in itself is that toolbox like resource, and it’s really not me. It’s the other guys I mean, we get on a zoom call. We talked about You know, like, right now we’re doing Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Right? Great ground, the great book, right? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. And we’re just going through it and what we’re doing, we’re talking the language to each other. So I use that as a toolbox. I mean, plain simple is people guys always say it’s so hard to be able to be a part of a men’s group. Well, the men’s group is, you know, your bowling league, if it’s the right guys, you know, or, you know, the people that you you know, whatever, you know, hike with or cycle with, that can be a part of your men’s group. So it doesn’t have to be an officially sanctioned thing. So that’s my that would be my tool, my toolbox and you know, then I work on work with people one on one, you know, we do the, the hero’s journey men’s circle, just that’s, that’s what I do. That’s what I do for my life, not for a living. So I’m charging for I probably never will. It’s just a way to be able to have these conversations because if you think about it, in Spanish, everybody’s taking Spanish, one Spanish To write, and none of us can even order from the taco truck. You know, I’m saying, why is that? Well, because we didn’t get a chance to practice it. Right? So when you’re reading a book, a really good book, and then you’re talking to somebody about it, like what you and I just did, you know, in the hero’s journey, you broke it down. I was like, amen. Amen. I was like, Wow, dude. So, you know, and then she’s talking about it. What does it do? It solidifies my ideas. It helps you to contrast them against yours. Sure, not for the not for the cause of debate. You’re a stranger you’re hearing you know, Australia or whatever. I know you’re not but you know, I’m saying

Brandon Handley 51:35
but actually, I heard there’s a lot of spiders there the other day and we don’t want to be in Australia. So

Unknown Speaker 51:40
Crikey there goes that cranky.

Brandon Handley 51:42
But I was like, they all said it with kangaroos and platypus and koalas.

Unknown Speaker 51:47
100%

Brandon Handley 51:50
The it’s also funny too. Are you able to do me a favor man. Take your camera and swirl it around and rattle off some of the books that

Unknown Speaker 52:01
Like well now, right? Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:05
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. The Millionaire Next Door right I know that you got that. First things first time traps Elements of Style as far as writing I think you and I think

Brandon Handley 52:16
that’s where we like that’s where we that’s where we hit off right like we really don’t know. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:23
One minute to do list Heidegger Martin Heidegger, you know, basic writings pemuteran john, which is great, right? I never saw you’re not so smart. It’s more just a analytical book. You got some Seth Godin represent, right? Yeah, check this

Unknown Speaker 52:38
out says one way book man. For sure. Right.

Jeremy Snowden 52:42
Right. So of course Four Agreements represent right. The Alchemist over there while the heart by

john Eldridge.

Hmm. You know, so, uh, I hate to say I’m well read, but I’m just not.

Unknown Speaker 52:57
So. I think

Brandon Handley 52:58
I think the other thing you hit on there too. is, you know, it’s not just reading these books, discussing them and applying them. So otherwise it’s a it’s what they call shelf esteem. Whoo. Right. Right. You know, what good is it doing it? Yeah. Great. You read all the books. What out of that particular book did you love right? Or you know, if you want to, you know, we’ll talk about I talked about high fidelity and the crown a lot, you know, not the chronological order but how you got from how I got from like, you know, blondie, you know, Tomic in 1981 to shatter herbs and Rolling Stones like got into like a you know, man who’s right out to that like a talking heads you know, it’s always the same, it’s the same right like I could tell you a chronological order how I made these brownies and and and the songs and how they made me move. right and and and and what I took out at that time, what was my heart feeling? Same thing with the book. So right like, What? What inside of that book made? What was the? What about that book made you move? What about that book made you change? What changes did you make? Because you’ve read that?

Unknown Speaker 54:18
Yeah. Right. So, um

Brandon Handley 54:23
what are some like great applications that you would give some people from any one of those books include

Unknown Speaker 54:32
include include call heroes, you know, hero’s journey. Wow.

Jeremy Snowden 54:37
Um, well, again, I think that the the hero’s journey is a template for your entire life and it can happen so quickly right in different areas and aspects of your life. So it’s not just a one time winner takes all you know, it’s it’s you got to go through this story again, it’s just a different story. Like, like my kids, they went vegan, right. And I was thinking in my mind Amway is next.

Unknown Speaker 55:05
This only leads to one place.

Jeremy Snowden 55:08
Now, you know, no, not necessarily, but it’s just that we all go through face to face. Yeah. All right. Have you been born again yet? You know, are you

Unknown Speaker 55:16
sure? We go through the? Yep, yep. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 55:20
So, um, I think that probably love, of course, the Four Agreements primarily for its, if you will, the, the number, the preface, but the beginning where he talks about how society created things about us, like your name, it’s not your name. It’s what you’re called, you know, it’s not you, you know, or your language was chosen for you because of where you were born. You know, those kind of, so when you when you when you understand that part, then you understand Wait a second, then, I mean, things get really weird. You’re like, what do I do with my hands, you know, kind of thing. It’s, and so I really like that seven hands. Habits of Highly Effective People. Oh my gosh, in terms of, you know, if you’re dealing with anger, for instance, you know, then, I mean, understanding Victor Frankel’s stuff, Jewish, Austrian psych psychiatrist and lecture now he’s on a table exercising his last Enduring Freedom, you know, the power to choose his response. He couldn’t control the stimulus what was happening to him at the time,

Unknown Speaker 56:24
right.

Jeremy Snowden 56:26
And, you know, his response you could control because of the space in between, which is his power to choose.

Brandon Handley 56:33
Yeah, that’s based in between is is it that’s, that’s something that me once you recognize that space in between, so there’s so much power and absolute there’s so much power in that. And you know, not for nothin like I was always like, felt like, you know, the fastest way to answer had to be like the smartest one right now. You’re the fastest One answer, but the more I think about it, like, the person who goes away and comes back with an answer, like the next day and really thought about it, that’s the person I admire, you know the person with a question. Okay, well, yeah, I’ll talk to you tomorrow.

Jeremy Snowden 57:16
Yeah. Nice.

Brandon Handley 57:18
Right and and then and then we usually within that time, you kind of figure out some answers for yourself. And to me anyways, whenever you ask a question, you’re like, Look, not for nothing. You’ve got it. You’ve got a pre loaded answer already. You know what I mean? You’re like, even in even for yourself, right? Like, you know, the whole idea of what you seek is seeking you, right? It’s just like, you’re just, you know, you’re sending out to the university. Like, this is what I’m looking for. It’ll the universe is like, Alright, well, here it is. You’re like, Ah, yeah. where, you know, you know, you know not I don’t know where you you, you only had eyes for that.

Jeremy Snowden 57:54
Right? Right. How about this, just throw a little bit of spice in Coggins did that. How many of us are self sabotaging at the 10th and goal all day,

Brandon Handley 58:07
every day?

Jeremy Snowden 58:08
Because we, I mean, we can see it through the membrane. And we’re afraid what that means.

Brandon Handley 58:14
There’s a really good book on that. Let me see if I’ve got it here. Notice there is I can do anything. I do anything, only if I knew what it was how to discover how to discover what you really want and how to get it. And this is, the concept is about scanners. Right? And scanners are like, you know, I forget what it is, but like, you know, some of us we’ve got this story, that we’re not going to go do this thing, because we feel like why can’t go do this because if I did that, I’d leave my family behind. Right or or like, you know, something would happen, my family, they would get upset with me and so we tell ourselves, all these stories They’re just that write stories. And so we stop ourselves at the 10 yard line. Because internally, we’ve got, like some story that we told ourselves that we heard, you know, 30 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 59:11
That’s so digged. In it’s it’s entrenched. Yeah. Right.

Brandon Handley 59:16
And and whether or not we like to admit it, we know that that’s still in there, right? We’re like, we’re like, now I got rid of that. Like, yo, bro, you don’t get rid of words. Right? They keep coming. They keep coming back. And that’s just like those stories that we keep telling ourselves and then we say, yeah, we think we got it fixed. And we am still there.

Jeremy Snowden 59:35
Right? Yeah. Incredible. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 59:38
Yeah, I mean,

Jeremy Snowden 59:39
that’s a that’s sorry. That’s like, a choice, right?

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, that’s a space right. That’s a space in between, right. That’s a space that’s a that’s the that’s the opportunity to recognize the story that you’ve told yourself over and over and over and over again, and and that’s your opportunity to say Not today.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01
Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:00:03
I talked way too much on this one, Jeremy, thanks for letting me talk. I mean, I can see why, you know, you’re you’re the guy that that, you know, thanks for this is how you hold space. I appreciate it. You know where, you know, you’ve got this coming up, where can people go join this group with you?

Jeremy Snowden 1:00:18
Absolutely. Thanks. And first off, I wanted to say, you know, I mean, like, you’re rocking it to, like, as far as like living your ultimate path. I can, I really can see from my side of the screen. Here’s somebody that’s going after it, you know, I’m saying you still have obligations, you still have things you have to do. And so this is extra right

Brandon Handley 1:00:40
side, hustle, whatever. It’s not. here’s, here’s, here’s the thing, and I appreciate that, right. It’s not the side hustle. This is I mean, you’ll listen to a lot of other people. If you make this the thing you have to do. There’s resistance in that and there’s worrying there’s concern and so you will think back, right you hold things back that are true. Do you because you’re concerned what other people may think. Right? And so if you just do it, because it’s true to you without expectation, I mean, we talk about Buddhism, right? And we talk about suffering is due to desires but suffering to me is due to our expectations suffering, his desires, our expectations, not being realized the way that we thought that they were going to come out right. So if we do this with the intention, if I do this with the intention that this has to work, all pressures on this all pressures on me that I lose my freedom with that, yeah, beautiful my freedom with that, so but I do appreciate the truth of the matter is this is true to me. 100% right now, getting to lead with spirituality instead of hiding behind your father for the rest of us was awesome. You know, doing that five group was great. They brought me To exactly where I am today it was necessary. I did you know I did prosperity practice and and dabbled in LA. But that also brought me here to ultimately spirituality. I’m like, you know what, I’m just gonna I’m just gonna leave with spirituality. Like we talked in the in this is like, that’s who I feel like I need to be I need to be the greeter I need to be the person that greets like you just like you right? Like, just like it is 100% you know, so we’re walking the same we’re walking a similar path, right? And and we’re just there to help people out man and the whole deal with this podcast is we’re out there doing it successfully and living our path and having a more fulfilled life through this version of ourselves.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:48
And there are plenty of people doing it. And my total intent is to show you that you can do it too.

Brandon Handley 1:02:58
I love that right. There’s some There’s something else. There’s something in Jeremy’s story that you’re going to hear today that resonates with you that says, I gotta, I gotta follow my path. I gotta, I gotta I gotta open up my own heart. I feel like I feel like I could you know, benefit from hanging out with Jeremy and learning about, um, you know, the hero’s journey, I’ve never heard about it. So go ahead, spend some time there. Understand it’s like to give people space and follow your path, man.

Jeremy Snowden 1:03:25
Absolutely. So we have a

Facebook group, of course, hero’s journey, which immense discussion discussion circle, which means you know, you’re in, you’re in if you want in your in piping, just we follow a DBA D Don’t be a, you know, whatever. Don’t Don’t just don’t troll in there just for the sake of trolling. Yeah, but it’s a great place to be able to connect, you know, it’s a safe spot. Some people what I’ve noticed, too, is there more. They’re more reserved, you know, they they they want to watch for While and that’s fine. And but it’s a great place to connect. And of course, you can message me, of course, Jeremy Snowden, feel free to add me if you’re a guy that’s into growth mindset, if you’re trying to find your way or if you just need some pointers or some feedback, always willing to schedule a call with you.

Brandon Handley 1:04:17
Yeah, I think that’s awesome that you’re holding that space for these people. And, you know, you’re accepting them and you’re helping them. You’re helping them find themselves man. And that’s super important. So thank you for joining. So that’s Jeremy Sloane on Facebook. And I know you’re on Instagram to where should they find you on Instagram?

Jeremy Snowden 1:04:39
Instagram is bald headed Movado. It’s a project that’s a tongue in cheek, I’m biracial. And so I kind of take potshots at you know, the the notion that you know, what are you supposed to be then? So it’s more of a tongue in cheek thanks, but I enjoy it. I love I love I’d love to connect there to all thank

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
you Thank you so much for joining us today. Cool. Thanks, brother.

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is this the hierarchy you seek?

Brandon Handley 0:01
321 A their spiritual dose, it’s time for another dose of that time for another hit of that spiritual dope. Hey there guys. It’s Brandon Handley. And I’m here today with an episode that is about self expression. And we’re gonna dig deep into what that means for you. And we’re going to take a look at, you know, we’re going to take a look at this, because I think that a lot of people think about self expression as

Unknown Speaker 0:33
that thing

Brandon Handley 0:34
that everybody else sees, right? You know, when we, if we remember Madonna’s Express jewels of Hey Nana, what we don’t what, what we and what even what she was saying was, you know, let people see kind of what’s outside of you the I think this is like the armor that most people put on to keep themselves safe versus the vulnerability as it were a being yourself and letting that come out. And that’s really what we’re going to get into, right? Because how do

Unknown Speaker 1:09
you approach

Brandon Handley 1:11
self expression? Right? And how can you express the approaches and maybe another way and everything that we’ve talked about here and the up to this point these six different pieces actually is a six seven I don’t know the look of the number but uh, you know, we everything culminates into the final piece which is self expression. And that is what is within you right inside of you, the self

Unknown Speaker 1:46
coming out,

Brandon Handley 1:48
coming out of you all the way out and into being and, and so I think one of the first places I actually realized this was In

Unknown Speaker 2:01
Maslow’s hierarchy

Brandon Handley 2:02
of needs of all places, you’d seen it like a million times, seen it so many times in marketing materials, mostly marketing materials, you definitely see it in psychology. And what do you think it means then? totally changes, right. And I think that this goes to the fact of when we’re talking

Unknown Speaker 2:24
about reading

Brandon Handley 2:26
a book when we’re talking about reading certain materials. When we’re talking about rereading these things. It’s not the materials that’s changed. It’s not the

Unknown Speaker 2:36
book that has changed. It’s you.

Brandon Handley 2:40
You something about you is different. Now something about you has changed. So let’s just for giggles let’s go through Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, right. The first one’s going to be your physiological right your needs for warmth and shelter.

Unknown Speaker 3:01
First sex

Unknown Speaker 3:02
sleep, we’re going to need to go through all of these

Brandon Handley 3:05
as we, you know, if you’re thinking about all those things, then you really don’t make it anywhere else. Right? So fundamentally, the foundation is physiological.

Unknown Speaker 3:17
The second one is safety.

Brandon Handley 3:20
You know, if you’re not feeling safe, if you’re not, if you’re if you’re in a bad space, then then you’re not going anywhere, right? And I think that Examples include social stability. Next on the list is, you know, feeling loved or belonging, right, maybe you’re in a certain scenario, and if you don’t feel like you belong, then you’re looking for

Unknown Speaker 3:43
a way to get out.

Brandon Handley 3:44
Right? You’re looking for a place that was somewhere else that you can go where people understand who you are, and what it is

Unknown Speaker 3:50
that you bring to the situation,

Brandon Handley 3:52
value you. And that really brings us up to the next one is how do you feel valued, right? What is your worth? How do you feel valued? And and, you know, this comes from inside and outside. And this is I think this is this one teeters in between this is number four and this teeters in between number five, right? Because you finally get into number five and number five is is that self actualization, right? That’s self actualization. And now, now that you’re familiar with all these I want, I want to share something else with you that I certainly never been aware of, until kind of experiencing these things and until really just exploring Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Because when you first see this, it’s very, they’re very fundamental, right? very fundamental. And you just like, you’re just like, Well, here are these five things. And you know, everybody needs these things. And once I know, you know, where am I marketing to, right? And once you get out of how you’re applying this to everyone else out there, and you start taking on how you’re applying it to you, it takes on a whole different meaning.

Unknown Speaker 5:00
Because

Brandon Handley 5:03
he talks about talks about each of these, each of these four, right, the first four physiological safety, love esteem. And, you know, these these are what they call deficiency. deficiency needs, right? So what that means is, if you don’t already have these, then you’re going to go get them and you’re going to go you’re going to go look for him. You’ve there’s like kind of a scarcity approach to this once you and then once you go get these though, you don’t seek any more of them, right? So once once you’ve acquired some of

Unknown Speaker 5:39
these certain spaces, to take your

Brandon Handley 5:41
housing for example, you go get a house. How many more? Do you need to make sure that you’re sheltered and you’re safe and you’re warm and you’ve got a place to shower? Take sex for example, right? Once you’ve already had some sex for the day, at least or whatever, you know, how many more times do you need to have it? How many more times you look in the habit that day or even In a period of time

Unknown Speaker 6:03
and so

Unknown Speaker 6:04
once you’ve acquired

Brandon Handley 6:06
some of those things that the motivation factor you know, drastically drops what food once you’ve eaten once you’ve already had your meal for the day or the day or even lunch or snack right it’s your mind is preoccupied with this is where you know self actualization is actually a little bit different, it puts us in the category of a being need and you know being need is a you know also in the grow in the growth space right. So, and the thing is is once you find this self actualization space and and you can um, you begin to grow, the desire for that increases, so, that, you know, this this is like the continuous growth continuing to, to want more of kind of That and for me, it’s this is kind of my term, right this is you want another spiritual dope, you’ve hit a certain space, and you’ve gone to a certain place, you’ve extended beyond what you thought was possible for yourself, or you’ve gotten a taste of what is possible for yourself,

Unknown Speaker 7:15
if you show up and if you decide to put the effort in.

Brandon Handley 7:20
And you want more of that, right? This can happen with an athlete, this can happen with just being a badass parent. This can happen with work, this can happen with finance, you know, so this shows up in a number of different places, not just the spiritual realm. But it does it is something that once you kind of take it all in and internalized it, you begin to actualize it, and that actualization really means that you’re pushing out from within what is inside of you. You’re

Unknown Speaker 7:56
excuse me, it’s

Brandon Handley 7:58
It is literally I mean, that’s what actually realization means and you’re letting that come from within and out. And I think that another word that really captures this is

Unknown Speaker 8:09
where did I get here?

Brandon Handley 8:11
I jotted down some notes here for this but enthusiasm is another one that’s really big for this idea and thoughts based you know, that comment, you know, you put it together with self actualization, which is to make what is within you real on the outside, right? I mean, that’s the culmination guys here. That’s, that’s the thoughts into things people that is that is connecting with your higher self and, you know, what, with

Unknown Speaker 8:39
within those deficiency needs,

Brandon Handley 8:41
right? Initially, it was thought that you had to have all those met, and you don’t, okay, you don’t have to wait until somebody else on the outside shows you that you’re valued. You don’t have to wait until all these other needs are met. What you want to do What if you’re capable of capturing just a moment, within your mind, all that all that is possible for you. And even if it’s a small thing that you think is possible for you start taking the steps towards that one thing. This is the momentum. This is that taste of growth. And once you find that for yourself, it’s really hard to stop going after. It’s really hard stop going after it. And so the challenge is finding it within yourself and you will 100% you will find this within yourself, you’re already finding pieces of it and it’s just a matter of, do you have the faith? Do you have the, the confidence in yourself to go ahead and kind of manifest that? do are you and you don’t have to, you don’t have to? You don’t have to see it through the not see it through the DM but you don’t. It’s if you can see it can happen, right. This is just kind of the vision but again, so

Unknown Speaker 10:00
Taking what’s within, you know,

Brandon Handley 10:03
realizing that you’ve got some of these other needs and just kind of understand the hierarchy of all these things and realize that there’s a place that you’re going to get to, if you’re not already there, and if you’ve already tasted it, understand where it where it kind of fits and understand what some of those motivators are, and and see how it all fits. And and again, I’m gonna go back to this is this is also the springboard of enthusiasm This is also where spirituality comes into it This is also where you where I come into it and how I feel about it and my personal approach but enthusiasm, right and and Greek meaning Theo’s the God, meaning God and then in Theo’s possessed by God inspired right. And to let this out of you this is the expression of your actualization you know, making what is within coming To the real and I know that I’ve hit on it a couple times and I just want you to I just want you to see this for yourself and realize that this isn’t just mindless prattle This is if any space that you look at in psychology and religion and and just kind of athletes, right? Even as athletically inclined people, this is what drives and motivates them, right once they realize that, that they can accomplish these certain things with these physical feats. And while certainly a little bit more physically visible and socially acceptable, it also works from the inside out, right? And you’re gonna need to for me, I think for yourself, you need to you need to make a decision for yourself to make this leap right from and like I said, from, from humanity to divinity, right, you begin to look for evidence that this is real for you. You’re able to see something inside and have it show up on the outside, right. And once you make this decision, you will find that all of the fragments of this truth for yourself up until this point will finally relate to the whole. And this is this is where I kind of want to get you to. This is where we are all working towards this is the the pinnacle, right? I mean, this is not the pinnacle of the hierarchy of needs, that once we get to this space, it becomes become so unreal, that it can’t be anything but real. And, again, let’s work together. If you’ve made it through here, I’ll

Unknown Speaker 12:45
figure out some way to

Brandon Handley 12:47
help you out right if you made it all the way through all these different bits and pieces of the Divine framework, and you’re still kind of curious, you know, reach out to me, pay me and we’ll see if we can’t create something else. In order for you to reset your filters in order for you to go ahead and make the leap from humanity to the vedi Thanks for checking it out, guys.

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I was lucky enough to catch up with Marissa Nash and chat about how she is leading with spirituality in her thriving coaching business.

Her career in wellness started at lululemon, and since she has worked in the wellness industry for over 9 years. She has been a Certified Professional Life Coach for 5+ years, a 1,000+ hour Yoga Instructor for 9+ years and she specialize in teaching self-care, meditation & mindfulness techniques.

Marissa is a certified Executive Coach and Corporate Wellness Consultant. She is also certified in The Science of Wellbeing from Yale University and Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction from Thomas Jefferson, developed by Meditation Teacher Jon Kabat-Zinn.

She developed The Well Method out of a gap that she witnessed in the wellness industry as well as the practices, techniques, and holistic modalities that she has used to heal and transform her own mind, body, and soul.

She has coached over 300 women and have worked with clients across the U.S. and abroad, including California, Pennsylvania, New Zealand, North Carolina, Texas, South Carolina, Michigan, and New York!

She graduated from Penn State University in 2011 with a B.A. in Corporate Communications and completed my Master’s Degree in Organizational Leadership and Executive Coaching at Concordia University with Dr. John Townsend.

She is also a dog-mom to my mini-goldendoode, Finn (check her out on my instagram!)

Connect with Marissa here:

https://www.thewellco.org/

https://instagram.com/marissarosenash

https://www.facebook.com/thewellcobymarissarose

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there podcast listener and welcome to spiritual dope today I’ve got Marissa Nash joining me and she is a woman’s life wellness coach, executive coach, meditation teacher, yoga instructor, corporate wellness consultant, you know, she embodies all these things and, but she pulls it together in a holistic manner. So she has a holistic life coach. And her mission is to teach you how to tap into the wisdom of your mind, body and soul. And learn to trust your intuition and step into your personal power both personally and professionally. As a certified life coach for over five years, a over 1000 hours of yoga instructor for nine years, specializes in self care, meditation and mindfulness techniques. And she’s also a certified coach and a corporate wellness consultant. There’s There’s quite a bit more so you know, you’ve got you’ve got it all gone down. But as it kind of relates to this, you believe in Many holistic modalities that you use with your clients such as Lifestyle coaching, yoga, mindfulness, visualization, and Reiki. And I’ll leave it for anyone who wants to find out more about all that you’re doing to head over to your website after they kind of check it out. But welcome, and thanks for joining us.

Marissa Nash 1:19
Thanks, Brandon. I’m really excited to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:22
You have no idea what you’re in for do you’re like, I have no idea what’s happening.

Unknown Speaker 1:27
But like the energy of it.

Brandon Handley 1:30
I love it. I love it. Um, so you and I were connected by a good friend of mine, Jeremy Todd, who we started our podcast adventure years ago with each other. He was quite literally my first interview. And and YouTube connected and he said, you know, you got to talk to Brandon, you’re, you’re right down the street from me. You’re over in Philadelphia, you’re from the area as well. And let’s kick it off. I mean, what what what, that’s what I want to start with cards at the every card. Nearby your tarot cards because this is how you start your this so So, you know Marissa starts her podcast with a, you know, a kind of a card reading. I don’t, but I love the idea so I figured I’d spring that on you let’s find one do you want to pull a card and tell us what we’re up for?

Marissa Nash 2:15
I love it. Yes, I would love to do that I do on my podcast and in sessions with all my clients, I pull cards. I find that it’s really important just to connect spiritually with you know, you and I are humans on this earth doing the best we can but you know, what, what is the divine guidance that we need to be tuned into and also for your listeners. So I use Oracle cards. I’m a big fan of Gabby Bernstein. So I’m using her super attractor deck.

Brandon Handley 2:41
She, you know, I wasn’t aware of like she’s a spiritual junkie. Right? Is that right? Yeah. I love it. Right like it plays in line with spiritual dope, right. Come on now.

Unknown Speaker 2:51
Yes, I love it. Yes. Okay, so this is a cool one. So I’ll read this over. So it says the more I attune my energy with appreciation, the more the universe will deliver.

Brandon Handley 3:03
Hmm, love it. What’s that mean for us today?

Unknown Speaker 3:07
Yeah, I think it’s really interesting. I, you know, I, I don’t know where this conversation will go. But a big belief that I have is around manifestation and in order to manifest, you really have to appreciate what you have and you have to be in energy and in alignment with appreciation and gratitude. It’s a big part of my story. And what I help clients with is really focusing on living a life in alignment with gratitude and appreciation and a state of abundance. So I imagine that will come up today.

Brandon Handley 3:35
Absolutely, I mean, look, so that’s all the line is the line is, uh, you know, appreciate what you have, right? Just Just in general. You know, just be grateful for the things that you do have. It doesn’t matter if you’ve got a lot, but at least want what you have, right? Because if you’ve got a lot and you don’t want it, that’s not serving you. Right. Right. So for you For your for your information. So I grew up with a hippie mom. Right? Well, and, and yeah, we’ll see there you go and and it was like, you know, she was caught like these these lifestyle trappings, right like you know, these are all the trappings, like if you’ve got all these things and you’re kind of trapped with those things right because you have to, you’re trapped with those things you’re maintaining them. Right. So let’s let’s I mean let’s jump into, you know your journey a little bit I want to share a little bit of your backstory. realizing you’re from the Philadelphia area, you’re a Penn Stater Penn State, right. So Penn State, my wife went to Penn State as well she, she still talks about it, she still loves it seems like it must have been a good time there. But you also you’ve traveled around a little bit. And most recently if I if I’m following the story, now you’re back here from Texas. Right? Is that right? Okay. So, walk us in the journey from you know, Penn State to where you are today? Any synopsis any way you want to?

Unknown Speaker 5:03
Yeah, I would love to because my journey actually in wellness did start nine years ago at Penn State, which is a little surprising because you think Penn State party school, I was in a sorority, and I had this moment, my junior year of college, where I just knew that I was seeking more. I felt like you know, did the college thing. There’s something more for me, but I didn’t know what it was. And I remember my best friend Becca, I came back from summer break. And she just looked different. She looked radiant. She looked, you know what I would call really well. And I just asked him like, Becca, what have you been doing? It’s yoga. And I’m like, yoga. What, what’s yoga all about? Let me try it. And so we would do a 90 minute hot yoga class at this little apartment in State College on campus at Penn State. This guy named Doug owned it and he was just plugged heaters into the wall of this apartment studio that he rented. And we would do hot yoga for 90 minutes and then it would end with a yoga nidra. a pretty long 30 minute I feel like sometimes even 40 minute Yoga nidra practice which is so good. It’s a deep meditative practice. So you’re going deep into your subconscious through guided meditation. So I was introduced to meditation, spirituality and yoga, you know, one of its deepest levels at a very young age. And I don’t think I knew how powerful that really was, but it worked for me it calmed a lot of my anxiety. I have been a dancer when I was in middle school, I quit around High School. And I think that creative element was really missing from my life. So I felt like I had found my place I did one yoga class and call my dad the next day as a college student. I said, Dad, I’m going to get certified to be a yoga teacher.

Unknown Speaker 6:53
I have two or three grand

Unknown Speaker 6:57
Are you back and I did it. I honestly took one yoga class. Sign up for teacher training the next day with the philosophy that, you know if I pay for the teacher training I get for yoga classes and I get paid as a teacher. So it made sense to me. And from there my journey took off actually worked really well lemon for a while and two different stores in Philadelphia and in Charleston, South Carolina. And Lulu lemon was a great setup for me at a young age. They were really big on goal setting, there was a lot of transformational leadership that was happening within the organization, and just a lot of ways to really connect with the wellness community as well. So I really do a credit a lot of my early career to what I learned at lemon. And that that ended me up in Charleston, I ended up moving to Charleston before Charleston was, you know, the place that it is today. This was, gosh, six years ago, and stayed in Charleston for a little while. Where to Lou lemon didn’t teach much yoga there. But then I really started teaching yoga when I moved to Southern California

Brandon Handley 7:57
because there’s a there’s a Bill Murray story in Charleston. Yeah, let’s highlight that just for a second. Because you know, listen, when my wife and I were in North Carolina for a little bit you and I had talked a little bit about this before. And we’re like, the only reason we would go to Charleston would be to catch up with Bill Murray. What happened between you and Bill Murray?

Unknown Speaker 8:16
I don’t know very. I’ve never met him. But

Unknown Speaker 8:20
no, no.

Brandon Handley 8:22
Yeah, no. Did we have this conversation? He became me. That’s not you. Ah, are you sure?

Unknown Speaker 8:30
I never met him. I mean, he lives there. But yeah,

Brandon Handley 8:33
that was told me the story then.

Unknown Speaker 8:36
I don’t know.

Unknown Speaker 8:38
I’ve been talking to Okay, keep moving then.

Unknown Speaker 8:40
Oh, no, the girl said. Um, yeah. Now he has a restaurant though. Apparently. That’s really good. I

Brandon Handley 8:45
was I wasn’t so I was in this conversation. Mm hmm. Man. All right. Yeah, she’s pretty good with this, but go ahead.

Unknown Speaker 8:52
Um, yeah, so then I actually ended up moving to Southern California. I got a job teaching stand up paddleboard yoga in Laguna Beach. and manage this little paddle, paddle board shop and Laguna on the ocean. And it was awesome. You know, living in Southern California being in my early 20s I really got to live out a lot of the dreams that I had. And I then got connected with core power yoga. So I taught full time yoga in Southern California. I also managed the core power yoga studio for a little while. Another amazing organization to be a part of great, great leadership, great leadership development inside of the organization. And then I honestly moved back to Charleston and did some nonprofit work for a little while. And all along have been a life coach. So I’ve been a life coach for five years, I’ve always specifically focused on women, helping them to transform their lives, whatever that looks like for them, whatever their end goal is. In the recent couple of years, my my primary focus has been on holistic wellness, and really helping women to map out what their wellness plan looks like. I found For me when I really got in touch with Okay, my wellness is a priority took me a little while to figure out it was almost difficult it was it was hard like this undercover topic of like, I would walk in like a crystal shop and be like, Do you know anyone that practices I already know or let you know, like, do you know when doing energy healing and it’s like, why was this so hard to find? And

Unknown Speaker 10:23
so yeah,

Unknown Speaker 10:24
yeah, exactly but what I knew worked for me um, and so that’s really led me to design you know, the welco which is my wellness coaching firm, as well as my corporate wellness programs. And you know, as of late, the well method, which really guides women through a one year program, where they actually get to meet with me as their transformational leadership coach, but then also get access to for other holistic healers that they get to do private sessions with within the year because that’s what I’ve found works for me is being able to work with a lot of different modes. realities and a lot of different healers to make sure that I’m well in all different areas of my life.

Unknown Speaker 11:06
Now, I love it. I love it.

Brandon Handley 11:08
And I love Look, I mean, it’s initially right even back in college when you’re doing kind of the body movement, right with the yoga and then you go right into, you know that Yogananda right, like going into the deep meditative state. And, you know, the things that that’s, it’s a lot of people know, to move their bodies, right and work their bodies, and that’s really important, but what they don’t do after that is take some time to kind of go with it.

Unknown Speaker 11:35
Yes, I,

Brandon Handley 11:37
um, I want to know more about your hippie mom. Yeah. Yes. I mean, you know, so, you know, Was it easy for you then to for, for me to kind of jump into this space mentally. It was kind of an easy transition for myself, because of a hippie mom. Right. So I’m just curious if that was similar for you. Yeah, so

Unknown Speaker 11:57
my parents are both deadheads, so Grateful Dead all day long in our house still. And yeah, I think my mom, so my dad I would describe is like, yeah, deadhead, he still goes to like cover shows and Yeah, super into it just um, my dad was always so supportive of me and my dreams. He’s also an entrepreneur. So I think that helped me. So I’ve never been limited in that. And my mom is very spiritual. She’s very open minded. I love that about her. I remember she would buy me books of, you know, different world religions, and she always just encouraged me to explore and to really honor people and faith in their spirituality, their race. I mean, you know, what, what they believed and I’m, I’m really grateful for that. It’s something that you know, as you get older, you realize that not everybody is raised that way. And I really raised to be empowered to make my own decisions in my faith and spirituality career. And it’s helped me a lot, I think, be a leader in this space.

Brandon Handley 12:56
Now, I love it and it seems like you know, you’re totally aligned with Kind of your purpose? Um, and what would you say purposes because, you know, bring in, I think as a coach, right, coming from the coaching space as well as a coach, you know, it’s our job to help others bring out the best and others. Right? Bring. And I had another guy I had a coach and look, I have a, I’m not a Christian, I don’t come from a Christian background, but you know, my coaches like my job is to bring people to Christ. I was like, Okay, tell me what that means to you. Right? Because I mean, that could mean anything to anybody. Right? And when he explained it, to me, it was, you know, to kind of bring you to your Divine Self Help you step into your power, that’s a good thing. So what does that? What does coaching mean to you? What’s your end game? Like when you’re coaching somebody? What’s that transformation? really mean to you?

Unknown Speaker 13:46
Yeah, that’s a great question. So for me, I would say since I work specifically with women, it’s to help them to live a life that feels in alignment. So I do a lot of limiting beliefs work. I also really do believe in meditation because I think that We can get covered in beliefs about ourselves, or we have the world works that aren’t true. And for me, it’s been most healing, to clarify, but what beliefs do I choose? And then from that place, I can then make empowered decisions about my life. And, you know, it’s difficult. And that’s why I think coaching is so valuable, because, you know, it’s difficult making decisions for my life that don’t fit the mold for what everybody else is doing. And I know I’ve always kind of been that way. But through coaching and having my own coach, you know, you’re you’re validated, you’re affirmed, you’re reminded that that’s okay. I’m also really big on community. So I do have a community called the well and that’s really designed so that women can come together and explore who they are and still be loved along the way. So that that’s really important to me, the way that I do that I can talk about later, but it’s really about making empowered decisions for your life, based on you learning how to live a life that’s in alignment for you, not based on what anybody else wants for you.

Brandon Handley 14:57
No, absolutely right. I mean, there’s the public process of kind of going to unlearn everything you’ve been taught. Right? But but in the sense and and and try not to do it too dramatically, right? Like you always think about a good buddy of mine. And we always talk about, you know, the matrix, and nobody makes their first jump, right? And just trying to like, yeah, look, you’re gonna make that first jump. And if you you know, quote, unquote, fail, or if you fall down, I hit your face. I mean, that’s all in your mind. Right? Like, you just get back up and you keep at it, right? How do you know, how do you help these women to expand and understand their limiting beliefs?

Unknown Speaker 15:35
Yeah, definitely. I like what you said about you know, I don’t think it’s a hard and fast process. I think that can actually be more disruptive and counterproductive. So you know, I actually did a limiting belief session with a client yesterday, but that was her sixth time working with me. So we’ve been working together for three months. You know, it’s something that I think the relationship with Coach and client is really important. I’m definitely the type of coach where you know, it’s not a one off session. I don’t even offer one off sessions like it’s it’s a year long program at this point because you have to feel really safe, you know, you have to feel really safe and secure with the people that you’re working with to really transform on a deep level. So the limiting beliefs work, I actually was inspired to create that. From john Maxwell. It was literally like a four sentence line in one of his books that I read. And I was like, that’s it. That’s exactly what I need and what I feel like my clients have needed. I used to run my coaching practice, in that I would help my clients to visualize where they want to be. I would help them to set the goals to get there, and then I would hold them accountable. But I noticed they weren’t actually achieving and accomplishing their goals because they were running up against these limits in these blocks. So that’s how now I tackle the blocks and I let them know that it’s normal to have blocks, right. Like I said, like the unlearning process isn’t unique to anyone. We all meet that. So yeah, it’s really, I would say like guiding them and holding their hand through it but also empowering them. Don’t give them words or language, I might give them examples. But ultimately they end up with an affirmation that is going to then rewire their brain to push them to where they want to be in a loving and kind way.

Brandon Handley 17:10
Hello, hello. And john Maxwell is really awesome, right? I wasn’t a fan of his until his latest book, right? And I don’t even know what the name of it is, but somebody shared it with me when the leader shift, right, why the leadership, audible was like, so good. And like, literally mowing my lawn listening to it. I was like, I was like, that’s it this great, I’m like, you know, and then I was like, get Fine. I’ll go read some more of his stuff. You know, because, you know, some, you know, coming from that subculture background and you can’t Yeah, that’s more it’s a little too square square hole for me, right. Um, so, you know, I finally accepted them into my life. It’s my john Maxwell story. But it’s like that, right? You you. You have and this is, this is My process right sounds kind of similar, where you’ve got the idea in your mind. And it’s not until like you stumble across something else that explains it for you like, Oh my god, that four lines right there explains what I’ve been trying to convey, but I haven’t been able to do it. And there it is. And it’s just like a burst right there kind of like a starburst, right? So I love that. Let’s talk a second about like, you know, spirituality and Divinity. Right, what I mean? I think, yeah, I think I heard you say divinity. Talk a little bit about that, you know, on one of your podcasts, and then what’s that mean to you? Like, kind of taking divine grace and spirituality, right, like

Unknown Speaker 18:46
fill me in like, what’s what’s up?

Unknown Speaker 18:48
For me my spirituality is a constant exploration. I remember when, you know, I I was a Christian at a point and then I you know, I wasn’t and I was raised Christian. So I kind of went in and out and you know, I am no longer a Christian. And I remember asking myself like, well, who do I pray to that, you know? And for me it was it was kind of helpful and fun to just explore, you know, ask other people like, Well, how do you pray? And what does that look like? And I would work with different healers and just kind of, you know, kind of absorb and try on and then figure out what works for me. So, currently, my spiritual practice my spirituality looks like a lot of meditation, a lot of self reflection, a lot of letting go of being told what to do and how to do it and and challenging and questioning and digging in. But a big spiritual practice for me is just reciting some affirmations and prayers that I have. One that I specifically love that I’m working with right now is I love myself unconditionally. I feel myself unconditionally. I feel myself loving myself unconditionally. I feel myself forgiving myself unconditionally. We thank you. We thank you. We thank you. So the past the present in the future, and I love that prayer. So that’s just mean that brings me back to a place of centering and grounding and then just helps me move on with my day. So yeah, for me, it’s really being connected to the divine throughout the day. So cards helped me with that meditation. Prayer yoga. breathwork is a big practice of mine. I think there are a lot of different ways to spirituality. And if you’re someone that’s looking to explore spirituality, I highly recommend white hot truth by Danielle Laporte. She kind of tackles all these different spiritual practices and religions and beliefs in a really loving, hilarious way. And it really freed me up to be like, this doesn’t need to be so serious, you know, like I can just floor and try on and see what works for Marissa,

Brandon Handley 20:47
for sure, for sure. I love that. I love that right? It doesn’t have to be so serious. It doesn’t have to be. Don’t have to like, just kind of make fun of the door. There’s always like a headband. Like listen if you go to a dead concert everybody looks like they go to what that concert right? And sometimes you get the same type of thing with spirituality you go to like you’re like, Oh, you know what these it looks like this looks like it could be a pretty cool spiritual group you show up and everybody’s wearing like the same kind of tie dye skirt like beads around their neck and you know, there’s definitely some crystals going on. Right? But it doesn’t have to be. You don’t have to look the part to be spiritual, right? You don’t have to be do it that way. And it doesn’t sound like you’re doing it that way. Sounds like you’re doing you know what’s, what’s houses look for? maresa. Right. connected to the divine, then let’s take another layer deeper. What’s the divine mean to you?

Unknown Speaker 21:43
Yes, I really believe I kind of CO relate. Mm hmm. So deep question. So I do pray for divine guidance. I have found that instead of you know, praying to God, I pray for divine guidance. So that’s one way that I connect with the divine I also view the divine as our higher self. So sometimes I will visualize either my higher self or my higher self showing up as golden light and invite that into my body and clear and release any beliefs within me that are not in alignment with my higher self, who I believe is the divine version of me.

Brandon Handley 22:19
Okay, is the Divine Self. And just, you know, kind of checking it out, right, I love First of all, I love the imagery. You know, is it the Divine Self a part? A part? Is it within you, a part of you are separate from you, like, I’m just, you know, where we are.

Unknown Speaker 22:36
I see it as something I can always connect with. I think, you know, I’m not personally actually someone that believes, you know, and like, I’m not trying to achieve enlightenment on this earth. You know, but I think that I think I’m a human, you know, a soul and a human body. You know, I am very human and very much of this world. Every day, you know, it’s like, um, you know, I don’t believe in like wearing all white And being spiritually light ending all day. And I love being a human and love being in this body so that I can bring divine guidance to this earth. So yeah, I think for me, it’s something that I can always access and also is within me, but because I live in the world, you know, that can be clouded. Sure, no, no, I get it. I get it. And first of all, I’ll throw out like I made a coffee cup. It says a first coffee than awakening. Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 23:27
Right. Because we are like totally human. And like, you know, some days which is like, you know, if you if you if you catch me before this cup of coffee might not be best idea, right. So, so here’s the here’s why I’m digging into that, right? Because I think I think the lion came from like Joe dispenza. Right? We only rise to our level of thinking, right? If we only rise our level of thinking and then if we think that and there’s nothing about being human right if we just think that if we think We’re just seeing a man and we just think that we’re these these shells. And we just think that we’re these, you know, flesh bags and there’s nothing again, nothing wrong with that. But once you kind of introduce your higher self, once you introduce this connection to divinity, once you access the divinity, your Divine Self, and you’ve got that ability to access that, what does that do to your level of thinking? Right? And to me, like that just means that you access a different, you know, level or phase of thinking. So with your divine with your divine divinity and divine grace, you’re able to take on more than you could if you were just human, right? And again, I’m not saying just humans are bad we all have everybody has the ability. And the other part of this too is like if we go all the way back, you know, what beliefs do you choose? Right? You can choose, you know, if we use Albert Einstein, you know, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle, right? If we use the Vedanta Right, I’m not, if you listen to Swami is Safari on a panda, right, I totally butchered that last name, but I got all the syllables. If, if you ever check him out, like I mean, there’s 44 hours like where he’s gotten into the introduction of data, but like, part of it is either your all of it or none of it right? You’re either all of the universe or you’re not a bit you’re connected 100% or not at all. So but that’s a choice that you make. And once you make those choices, right, it starts to open up and it sounds like you do some la right like, I mean, you know, law of attraction stuff, it all kind of plays in and that’s why you know, I’m kind of digging in on the Divinity part, just kind of seeing where you are with that. So once you accept your divine access, how do you feel like that transformed you?

Unknown Speaker 25:46
Yes, interesting, because actually, I’m gonna relate this to the the work. The way that I help people to access their most Divine Self for sure is through meditation visualization. I take them through, you know, deep guided journeys, but I also because of the human experience I really helped them to focus on what their core desired feelings are, and how do they want to feel in this life because I believe that when you can access that, then you can actually live out your most divine and most empowered self. So for me, once I connected with, you know, who am I and what are my wants and my needs and desires, which is typically more difficult for women than it is for men. I was really able to make decisions for my life that bettered my life that made me feel more in alignment that started to attract more of what I wanted, and you kind of alluded to it, but I think that perspective is key. And that’s why in the beginning, when we pulled this card, you know, tuning your energy to appreciation is huge. Because if you can attune yourself to appreciation or you know, to an affirmation of gratitude to what’s already amazing in front of you, you’re going to start to Yes, I believe attract more of it, but also have eyes for seeing more of it. So I’m a big believer in that As well

Brandon Handley 27:01
100% I call that like kind of setting your filters, right? Like, pretend like we’re all walking Google’s right. If I go and I say, you know, show me beautiful things in Google, it returns beautiful things. It never ever does it return, like a whole bunch of crap. Right? And, you know, so if we wake up every day, you’re like, Oh, this sucks. That sucks. This sucks. That sucks. You know, you’re setting your filter to this sucks. This sucks. And that’s all you’re gonna see. Right? So I wanna, I want to, I’m gonna pick on a little bit here on the, you know, the women, you know, women and and kind of determining what they want, you know, versus men. Right? As a challenge, right? What makes you say that like, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 27:44
yeah, but while the masculine energy, like the Divine Masculine is much more rooted in what they want, what they need, getting those needs met, it’s much more stable and consistent. Just eat You know, we could go deep, like our hormone cycles are different, you know. So men are men are very static from day to day. So they wake up, they want, it’s pretty much the same every day. Women are more in a 28 day hormone cycle. So we change and we add and we flow in the Divine Feminine is it’s more creative, it’s a more more open, it’s more sensitive. So for us, it actually can change a lot. You know, this goes for both women and men, but a lot of women that I work with are also empaths. So they can take on a lot of other people’s energies, and men can do that, too. Absolutely. But yeah, I think that, you know, women are naturally a little bit more curious and sensitive and willing to go with the flow versus be like, this is what I want this I need day in day out.

Brandon Handley 28:45
Sure. Enough, fair enough. Fair enough. Um, and here’s the only the only the only thing I’ll say about that is that I think that’s just our Western conditioning. Right? And, and I hit on this all the time with, you know, kind of anybody I talked to especially young guys when we like, when we’re growing up, right as men. It’s like It’s like, and women too, I’m sure it’s like, Alright, well, don’t give into your emotions, right? Don’t react to your emotions. And you know, you can’t let your emotions control you. And what that translates into, for me as a child, right is, oh, I’m feeling something, I need to shut that off and never address it again. All right. And I think that i think that that’s kind of where the that’s what we see. Right? The the men’s non ability or haven’t traditionally been trained to address their emotions, right, even identify him. Right. And I think that that’s the big challenge. It’s like, hey, do you even know what you’re feeling right now? Because if you don’t know what you’re feeling, how can you address it? Right? It’s just the whole awareness thing we like if it doesn’t have a label, you can’t you can’t do anything with it. Right? So that’s the one thing that the author out there because I don’t I feel like men kind of get a bum rap and we don’t allow. I don’t know what the hell I want, right? You know what I mean? It’s like, yeah, I’m just doing I’m just doing what the guy had me just did or over there. I’m like, I don’t shit works. We’ll try that. What do you just do? I’m gonna do that, right. Just like you got to varies. I’ll get two burgers. I don’t whatever. Right. Yeah. So it’s kind of like our social training. Right? Yeah, just saying give men a chance, you know? Yeah, it’s, it’s the, it’s the idea of like, have be had that open dialogue, right? And that’s a challenge too. For men. It’s like, you know, they feel like you know, I’m going to go just on my own here. So if we kind of open up and share a feeling of it, first of all, we’re like, we don’t even know we’re like, it feels kind of like this amorphous blob over here. Let’s let’s you know, let’s let’s whittle it down until we can figure it out. And nobody wants to be caught in that situation. Like I’m feeling these things and I don’t even know what they already want to talk about that because that could that could get rejected. Right.

Unknown Speaker 31:01
Yes, no, that’s a really great point. I definitely do agree, I think all of us can benefit from being more self aware. So the first piece is the awareness piece of how Yeah, how do I want to feel and not just go? Oh, yeah, like, the, like you said, This is what the person ahead of me did. So this is how I have to do it. One affirmation that I’ve been telling myself lately, as I, you know, like bring some new programs into existence for the welco is just I can be the first to do it. Because I want to overcome that belief of Well, I have to do it a certain way, because that’s how society has done it. It’s like, I’m an Aquarius, and I’m here to innovate and honestly, there’s to

Unknown Speaker 31:40
me, there’s no way so winter Bertha, January 27 25th. So um, you know, it’s funny.

Brandon Handley 31:51
The the idea though, so, you know, how do you want to feel in this life, right, how so let’s say you’re working with us women that aren’t over connected with their emotions, how do you get them connected to those emotions? And, you know, to get them to even explore that idea?

Unknown Speaker 32:08
Yeah, so it is a process. So I use the nine areas of wellness. And with each of those areas, we go through an entire map of how they’re feeling on a scale of one to 10 in that area, then we talk about what’s currently happening. So that’s the awareness piece in that area. And then I have them just rewrite and journal about how they want to feel or what they want in that area. So it could be like, you know, I want to buy a house or I want a different career, whatever it is, and then we we go back and I really have them focus on the feelings behind what they desire. And then I have them narrow those down. And then we start to set action steps and goals around those feelings because it’s honestly the hardest work is figuring out what you want to feel. emotional process, even just doing that that usually causes some shift and the person but then once you start to get those needs on small levels, it feels good. You know, I always hear that we are so primal, you know, we are primal beings, we want to feel good, we want what we want. So when you get clued in to what you want, you’re going to go and get it as long as you can start small, and then you’re going to want more of that and more of that. I always say, you know, it’s like, you know, if you’re a runner, I’m a runner, but after I go for a run, I can be having a pretty shitty day, and I’ll go for a run and then I’m like, I feel great. Everything’s okay, I want to drink a green juice. I’m gonna wake up early tomorrow and do yoga. You know, I’m like, I feel good. I did something good for myself. So the more small good things you can do for yourself. I think the more you can tap into that transformation a little bit quick, quicker.

Brandon Handley 33:40
And I think he talked about that in the beginning too. Like how do I start doing wellness just for myself? Right. And and how do you do that how you start some of your clients off right small bits and pieces and you know, what’s the, what’s some of the reactions that they get, like, what’s what are like? What are some timelines that you look Got a with the scenes, some transformations and people.

Unknown Speaker 34:05
Oh man, it’s so cool. So I really do focus my practice on women who who work in corporate, they certainly don’t have to. But a lot of my clients do work in corporate. So it’s really amazing to see that the work that we do in their personal life actually translates into their corporate space, they are much more confident. And this is within a couple of months. So that they noticed that they’re much more confident they’re making healthier decisions for their life. They’re trying a lot of different wellness modalities that feel like they finally fit. Because that’s the type of coach that will be like, cool, we’re gonna have you do yoga, but how are you feeling? What do you need? Okay, so you’re anxious. So let’s not have you do power yoga, let’s have you do some yoga. So it’s very holistic in that way, really looking at the client as a unique individual. their relationships begin to change very quickly. And yeah, they’re just overall happier and they get feedback really quickly from other people. A lot of my clients are like, people are telling you that I seem happier. And I’m like, Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:04
Awesome. That’s awesome. I love it. I love you know, look, I mean, everybody, I think needs it right? to kind of go through the process. If we at least have somebody out there encouraging them and seeing them for who they are, right, we like you know, I see you for who you are. And we’re gonna help you to see the same for yourself. Yeah. Um, do you want to talk a little bit more about the wall method? Like kind of what you got going on there?

Unknown Speaker 35:31
Yeah, sure. I’d love to. So how a man the well method was really I would say that burst into existence just from a gap that I experienced in the wellness industry. And this obviously is, you know, my personal methodology and what works for me. So there are plenty of ways to do wellness. But what I noticed when I really wanted to start my wellness journey, and I was like, I’m ready. This is important to me. I’m ready to invest in it. Like I mentioned earlier, it was to like, it felt like I was piecemealing everything together and it honestly started to add up. You know, I’m like working with one healer there and I’m driving 30 minutes and then I found this other I related coach and I have to go 45 minutes into the city and I’m like driving all over and scheduling all these appointments and it was a little overwhelming. Yes, it absolutely worked. And I’ve connected with so many incredible wellness leaders. So what I’ve done with the well method is I’ve developed a one year program so my clients actually work with me as their holistic life coach and then they also quarterly get a session with a wellness expert. So I’ll have somebody that you know, teaches them I Aveda in a private one on one session and that really helps them to understand more about their own body and seasonal wellness. I have a girl that will be doing body acceptance and self love working with an astrologer and then a womb wisdom guide and healer. So it’s an amazing womb wisdom guide and healer

Unknown Speaker 36:58
wisdom

Unknown Speaker 37:00
Yes, this might be new. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 37:03
That’s interesting. That’s actually I’ve never heard I’ve never I’ve never heard and it’s just fun to say actually waited.

Unknown Speaker 37:08
Yeah, it’s a really cool creative title, but she’s a cycle track and how to actually use their cycle to their advantage, which is really important and women’s wellness.

Brandon Handley 37:18
Sure, man, it’s like, you know, the tides of the ocean no doubt, right? Yeah. And I’m sure that there’s like some emotional ebbing and flowing right. When are you going to use that? high tide of energy? You got it.

Unknown Speaker 37:32
I can tell you have a wife who understands

Brandon Handley 37:38
so listen again. I grew up in your my hippie mom. Oh, yeah. single mom is just kind of like, you know, it’s just it’s kind of already there. Right. So all that stuff there. So advantage disadvantage, I don’t know. Um, and and so you’re rolling this out? This is going to come out like around July so we’re going to be live in July?

Unknown Speaker 37:58
Yes, yes, we will be live In July, so I’ve actually already been doing I would say, half of this program, or you know, years now. So it’s really just an accumulation of everything that has worked and then really making it personalized. It will be a personalized bonus plan so that you don’t have to go find all the healers and ask weird questions and go into crystal shops and feel like you’re like, knowing that Unicode

Brandon Handley 38:22
gamma system there bro.

Unknown Speaker 38:25
Paying the table, you know, it’s, it’s all designed specifically for you. And actually, it’s based on seasonal wellness. So we’ll go through different wellness topics that I have found to be transformative in my life based on the seasons and the nature of each season and what you know, I believe that we should be holistically looking at in this season.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I love it. I love it on your page. Where do I find you at wellness podcast, you’ve got your wellness podcast, you offer a free virtual chain training on your site. You’ve got some meditations on there. You’ve got books Love I’m gonna go ahead and just say you know playing big by Tara Moore You are a badass by Jensen zero desire map. Which one did you mentioned at the beginning? Right? White Hot

Unknown Speaker 39:12
yes white hot truth by Danielle Laporte and she also wrote the desire map and all my clients get the desire map is I guess when they started incredible book,

Brandon Handley 39:21
right and I saw you had in your picture untethered soul. So you’re Michael singer fan right? Um Have you thought Have you read the surrender experiment?

Unknown Speaker 39:31
I haven’t,

Brandon Handley 39:32
should I? It’s interesting. It’s actually changed me and just like his his whole concept of it right? is you know, and I actually interviewed this guy named Greg Bernstein. He’s like a shaman, you know, God doing vortex tours in Hawaii, and he’s much one that I’m not doing any justice. But uh, you know, he, he talks about it too. We talk about la right and we also kind of talk about the constant Have you already have limiting beliefs? Even your most unlimited thought of what you want is pretty limited, right? We think the box is huge, right? But really, we’re playing like and like this, this kind of a pixel of it, as it were. So who am I? To go tell the universe what’s best for me? Right? And so, Michael singer kind of does it in this way where he says, I’m pretty sure the universe wants what’s best for me, but like, even more than I could ever imagine, so I’m just gonna surrender to what the universe has offer. Right? And I was like, I was like, it’s pretty potent bro. That’s pretty it’s pretty, it’s pretty big. Right? And then like, his whole story is is pretty interesting. But just like that, that that kind of idea was like, All right. So I wasn’t I wasn’t sure if you would, you’d read that one what um, you know, so you’re doing the cards. What is something that else is kind of like just radically changed your whole life, you know, spiritual journey. or anything that you’re doing? What is a book a movie? A song, poem? Whatever.

Unknown Speaker 41:06
Yeah, well I’m gonna have that book to my list because I really enjoy that and think I would really really love that so you know what I’m gonna throw this one in there this is probably not what you’re expecting doesn’t probably didn’t sound spiritual it is but just joy and having fun like having so much fun I think spirituality can get so serious you know I’m some meditation is so important getting on my mind doing my yoga practices, but sometimes you just need to go like have a drink with a friend or you know, go do something fun for yourself. So for me, I bought a surfboard recently I used to surf in California. And you know, my commitment is just to make sure that I’m at the beach and then I’m surfing and just really honestly like living a life that I want to live so I’m going to throw in there just fun.

Brandon Handley 41:48
No, I love it. I love it And listen, it’s actually in the word enlightenment right light, be light, right like just kind of doesn’t say and heavy man doesn’t say like, you know, and German and like, carry all this heavy shit around with you and be stoic. And so it gets a bad rap too. But I love it though. So no joy. And I like that you use joy over, you know, happiness. I think joy is more sustained. And you know, more recently I heard the definition of happiness is completely external is literally based on happenstance. So the things that are your around and your circumstances, right, I think that joy is something more innate that you can control. So I’ll take it. I’ll take it. What? Yeah, what would you say? What would you say that we haven’t kind of hit on something that you would share?

Unknown Speaker 42:40
Yeah, I mean, I don’t think we talked too much about how transformational meditation is, I know that you meditate. I think what’s really interesting, you know, I’m, I’m a pretty, you know, woowoo spiritual person. But I do also think that research is important and there’s so much research behind mindfulness meditation, the practice of meditation that I always And follow is mindfulness meditation. I completed Jon Kabat Zinn’s Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction course, through Thomas Jefferson University and it was life changing. You know, bringing mindfulness into your day can be so helpful to help you to access what’s really going on. And you know, we both talked about the importance of awareness, right. So getting aware of what’s going on through mindfulness is very helpful.

Brandon Handley 43:26
You on your podcast, you have a really nice way of kind of putting, like mindfulness and meditation you feel free to share that here, right? Like, it’s not necessarily that your mind won’t be distracted it instead it will, is to bring it back. So share a little bit of that.

Unknown Speaker 43:42
Yeah, I see mindfulness and meditation as a training ground. So it’s literally like me going into training and I schedule it in and I’m like, Alright, this is where I train my mind because what happens in that space lasts. Like I said, there’s a lot of research around it, but the benefits of meditation last. So for me, I see it as a training. Round. And just like anything that you’re training and it takes practice, and it’s never going to be to a point where your mind is silent again, bring you back to we’re human. But it’s about the relationship that you have with your thoughts. So you’ll you know, be meditating, your thoughts come up, what is your relationship to them? And what are they showing you and maybe need to go off of the anchor of your breath, if that’s what it is, if your anchors your inhale and your exhale, and your body speaking to you and it’s like pain or uncomfortability or have this thought, you know, listen to me, then it’s kind of working with that and being like, yeah, body Yes, mind. Yes, divine guidance. What are you trying to show me? And that’s really where I explore myself and and then also ask for spiritual guidance to

Brandon Handley 44:42
follow that. Yeah, you’re right. We didn’t want to talk about too much. Meditation. The one thing that I learned through meditation, and he talked about unconditional love, right, which to me is kind of synonymous with don’t judge like non judgement, right? You’re paying attention to your body, but you’re not judging it, right? It’s like, hey, there’s it’s acknowledgment. But it’s not giving it a good or a bad week, right? Is that what you’re saying?

Unknown Speaker 45:10
Yeah, absolutely. I think through mindfulness comes it actually research has proven that empathy for others and empathy for yourself, which is the loving kindness and the self compassion,

Brandon Handley 45:21
the metta metta meditation, right? And here’s what I love about the metta meditation. We spend a lot of time thinking about ourselves. Yeah, right. And this is like an opportunity even like, I’ll pull out midday and do like a five minute metta meditation, so I can think of some other people and not think about my own shit. Right? And but but because that’s what we do, right? We think about all the stuff that we’ve got going on for ourselves. So if we can take just five minutes, give ourselves one minute in there, like all right, well, this this, if you’re not familiar with meditation, you know, explain the metta meditation real quick for somebody who’s never done it.

Unknown Speaker 45:56
Sure. So yeah, metta meditation is also known as loving kindness meditation. very accessible, you know, on apps or on YouTube, if you’d like I also have on on my website, it will guide you through a very incredible meditation where you are seeing others in front of you and sending them loving and kind words you also go typically back and forth between sending others loving and kind words, and then you’re self loving and kind words. And through that the state of the brain actually changes. And you can see benefits from that very quickly.

Brandon Handley 46:27
Yeah, no, it’s awesome. And I still remember my first rounds of meditation. I did it headspace. And then I didn’t do it for like two weeks. And then I was irritable as hell. And I tracked back I was like, What’s different? What’s what, what what, you know what I mean? Because I hadn’t done it. I was able to track it back to meditation. And I, I’m sure I missed the day here, there, but it’s part of my daily life. So if you’re an irritable Raji son of a bitch, want to try is meditate Where can we send people to go find you on all the things that you’re doing right now?

Unknown Speaker 47:11
I am a connector is I would love to connect to the guys chat more about this stuff. I definitely someone that is on Instagram a lot. You can find me at Marissa rose Nash, and my website is the well code.org. I’m also on Facebook at Marissa rose Nash or the welco by Marie rose, so feel free to reach out I do also offer a free 30 minute solo sessions where we explore limiting belief in one of the nine areas of wellness to help you get unstuck and find a little bit of freedom there.

Brandon Handley 47:43
Awesome. Well, hey, thanks a lot for stopping by today. Glad you took a chance

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paresh shah 0:00
Okay, so I would love to give the honest resume instead of like the the accolades that my mom and dad, we’re very proud but issues first is engineering class. I want to be like that to me. We’re starting to get boring even for me. Awesome. And so let’s revisit that and kind of come on air. Here we go. Real and just go. I love it. I love it. Man. So 54321 Hey there podcast. This is Brandon Handley on with Paresh Shah. We’re slinging some spiritual dope today and press. I love press for this because I started to read his, you know, online resume bio, which reads awesome, like in any corridor, right? But he’s like, Hey,

we’re doing spiritual dopes a we’re leading with spirituality. We are leading with authenticity. I want to share my real resume my life resume, so fresh eyes.

Brandon Handley 0:59
I don’t have that in front of me. I’d love to hear it though.

paresh shah 1:04
Thanks, Brandon. Thanks for having me on. I love this spiritual dope

concept, it’s more than a concept you’re actually

creating the energy around conversation through conversations that uplift you know, everyone who’s listening here and beyond because you don’t even need to be a listener because it’s a buy. It’s a buy. It’s it’s the, the the vibe of what you’re creating. So I must say you and yeah, it was kind of weird. Because part of you know, you talked about the journeys that you have been on Brandon and we’ve talked earlier about your your journey and the various journeys that we go on. And they’re a dear friend and you speak to me in a way that where you get me and we get each other and we we have telepathy in many ways, because we’re thinking the same thing at the same time. And there’s even evidence of it where we have written something down and say, Hey, you know what, you just said that I work so hard to that won’t even say I worked hard. Frankly, it came easy for me for most things to get that laundry list of whatever you would call his accomplishments. On that bio, I was like, and as you were reading it, this I was going oh my god, this is so boring. Can we like move on? And it was it’s so funny because I was like, I work so hard. My parents are proud. I actually have didn’t work hard in certain ways. Things just kind of snowball. Often, you know, it’s kind of like, you know, when the kid like, you’re good at stuff, and then people like, throw more stuff at you. And I was like, This is so boring. And this isn’t what this is about. And it felt kind of gross with my friends. So I wanted to thank you for kind of rewinding, rewinding, and that’s not what it’s about, primarily, and I think this whole sphere we’re in right now, as a world, one of the beauties that’s come out amidst the struggles and the suffering and you know, what’s really, you know, happening is it’s forced us, some of us to kind of go inside and go, what really matters here? What really matters here? And how do I want to show up, which is our third lifter mind shift that you’re familiar with. In the lifter leadership world we have serve up, listen up, show up with all of your yes and qualities that make you unique, and then act up. And I was talking with my brother yesterday, and I was like, why don’t we just have like an honest resume? And so I went out and I bought on his resume.com because the best way to remember an idea is spend 999 on GoDaddy and park the domain so you never forget the idea and feel you didn’t do anything about it. So honest resume. And so I started thinking and we were jamming on it. You know what would our honest resume be? And my brother

Brandon Handley 4:05
I really want to interject right like cuz teacher telepathy right earlier today I was listening to you know one of your other podcasts and you were talking about the time that you took off for a year to go travel with your wife and hike and do all the things you like houses one year absence can look on my resume and I wrote down is like, what happens if you take that thought away? You know, take that would build your life resume right like and you know, what does it look like to say? It doesn’t say there’s nothing wrong like it’s great go create a business, get people jobs, get them into a certain space and and and all these things. But what happens if your goal is to live an amazing life period? And you know, there’s not a fear of, well shit, I can’t I can’t take a year off and go explore life and what am I What am I

paresh shah 4:58
going to say about me? Myself, even my mind, right? We’re like, what are you going to do about the gap in your resume? I’m going to backpacking for one year and and there was truly that there was an aspect of that a little bit, but it was very much drowned out or over or I wouldn’t say overshadowed over lit by the possibility of how cool would it be to go backpacking for a year, we went to India and Nepal, we hiked the end of foreigners, my wife and I, she had just finished her PhD and so it was a great, like, you know, let’s just kind of see what’s going on. And I there was a little bit of that. What am I gonna have to say for myself? Because you don’t just like take off. Um,

and, um,

it was kind of funny because when I came back and was in the job market, I got a call from GE, from a headhunter and they had this cup The management program that you get to be, like, part of like, they’re like they’re your your starting leaders if you get to be part of this program, and they put you in different business units, so you can really kind of learn the ropes. And you know, kind of it’s like the leadership group. So I got a had a headhunter call me about that. And I was like, Yeah, see, I’m marketable. This is great. I’m getting ahead under call from GE, and one of my teachers, Professor, Joe Bauer, who’s still a great professor at Harvard Business School, we had this class called management is about management leadership, and he had a total crush on jack welch. Like every case, we had, like 50 I don’t know it was a semester course. And it was like a study how great jack welch is and how GE because the GE thing was like the gold standard of how do you you know, run a great enterprise based on how things were defined then. And so I had this conversation with the with the the client, the headhunters, client G, And I was excited go, I nailed it. Right. And they’re like, when you told them that you went backpacking for a year, they’re like, we don’t want somebody who’s gonna just like take off and do something like that. That’s not our way. And I was devastated. I was devastated. But then later on, I was liberated to go. Yeah, you know what, that’s not really my path. And so I’ve, you know, been an entrepreneur since then. So, yeah, the journey takes you to amazing places where new frontiers get open. And on that trip, one of the pivotal things we did was, we took Julia Cameron’s course called the artists way. It’s a it’s a book a workbook that you do. It’s a self guided workbook, and it’s called the artists way. And I had felt that I had gotten to left brain from my engineering and from my business work, and then I was in consulting as great, great left brain stuff like super cool projects. We were on And, you know, the musician from high school and other things we used to play with, sort of didn’t get enough voice. And so the artists way was a way of kind of recapping into the creative side. And so we started doing this, this course called the artists way by Julia Cameron. And I recommend it to anybody, anybody. And through the process that Julia took us through in this workbook. We started seeing the world in a whole different way and started experiencing some of the first

miracles non obvious

you know, coincidences, telepathy, and all kinds of extraordinary ways of experiencing the world. And she really opened opened my aperture around. You know how to see the miraculous, even in in in the darkness, and am I 100%? there all the time? No. But I didn’t even realize that was like a doorway. Before.

You know, this part of the journey.

Brandon Handley 9:09
I love it. I mean, because you were you were on you were on the managerial track you were you were on the fast track you were, you were bits, ones and ones and zeros, right? And you got to be productive, get in line and stay in line. And if you get out of line for a year, you can’t come back.

paresh shah 9:25
Okay. It was a fear of that. There was there was a fear of that. There really was,

Brandon Handley 9:28
I wanna, you know, I love that you’re bringing that up artists way. I’m gonna share this with you. I’m actually doing what is the right brain artists or whatever, right? I’m teaching myself and you can’t really see. Well that can

paresh shah 9:40
see that’s beautiful.

Brandon Handley 9:42
Right. But I mean, that’s, that’s, you know, they’re teaching you how to draw like, I’m doing that right now. I’m trying to engage my right brain, right, like and going through that process.

paresh shah 9:51
It’s so great. And you know what, in many ways, this whole right, not the right brain left brain characterization is it over simplification doesn’t really work that way. But we kind of we kind of use that as a vernacular. It’s really tapping into this, that creative, that intuitive and bringing it all together. My wife, Eliza, she studied with a Nobel Prize winning biologist Walter Gilbert. He won the Nobel Prize for biology. And he was off the chart genius like, you know, DNA sequencing. And I think he was in the company of the one who did the pea pod experiment in biology. Right, right. Yeah, that guy? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 10:40
Sorry. Like, I forget that. What’s the guy’s name? Michael Mendel

paresh shah 10:42
was it? Yeah, Joseph Mendel. So he was kind of in that league of like, super extraordinary minds. Off The Charts genius. Walter Gilbert and he, like he, when he was a lecture, like listening to some other Speaker a professor at Harvard, my wife pointed out that he’d have his little sketchbook and he would be sketching the person or the scene or the hand upside down. And, and I think he may have now I may be extended, but he may have even been using his opposite hand. And in doing so, it’s like, wait, why would you sketch someone upside down because that whole other perspective would lead to a very different outcome. And that was, you know, a kind of a glimpse of his genius of how he saw things very differently. And cultivated both aspects of his his genius. Then he became an artist and a photographer, and he sells scarves with his art on it. And so he’s, he’s been this polymath anyways. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 11:54
I love it. I think that um, you know, that talks to, I’m gonna I’m gonna weave in some real quick Guys if you’re joining in oppression I have had conversations before which you may or may not be picking up on and and the thing is we’re talking about spiritual dope and spiritual dope is is got its target line set up on you know we’re looking at what does it look like to lead with spirituality What does it look like to be a spiritual person but integrate or you know Professor heard you talked about it earlier and some of some things I was listening to it’s like interweave right be all of who you are not and don’t separate your spiritual self from your business self from this you know this other software you know be one self right but also recognize right the Divinity within is precious you know, you know gosh you had an expression of divinity right surfaces you had a great line on the Nobel Peace Peace. Peace one right we’re like, you know, let that divinity come out right. And, and when you do, I think you you You said you were having one of those buzz kind of days right? Give me what I would say today you’ve had a hit of spiritual dope right like you’ve hit a spiritual high Tell us about that. But again guys, we’re trying to align like people who have had success by leading or integrating their spirituality into their their overall lives and how you can do that for yourself and if you’ve been thinking that it can’t be done or if you’ve been concerned about what that might look like for you then come take a look at what’s happening here and spiritual though connect with a Paresh connect with anybody else connect with me. The people that bring it on? Yeah, is like let’s, let’s, let’s help you shine your light, right.

paresh shah 13:42
Ha, it’s, um, we had we had a team call today with our with some of our teams and we have hired 13 summer interns because I wanted to have as many of these young people because a lot of the internships have been canceled and it’s a total bummer. One of the ones that we just hired yesterday, he moved to San Francisco. And he was on his resume. He was one of 12 out of something like 4000 applicants to get like that internship. It reminds me of like that, you know that that movie, where the where, who is it goes to Google to be the interns.

Not Tom Hanks.

The guy from Night at the Museum anyway, the two older, older, older guys trying to come to me. So anyway, so and then he moved to San Francisco to start this job, and it just got canceled last week. And we’re like, oh, and you can feel it. These young folks are just like, dang. And so part of what we’re doing is trying to create as many opportunities for internship where people can have meaningful work, you know, make a contribution collaborate. And so we have actually more than a handful now, of interns and We had a team call today where people were just at the stage now where we’re giving each of these interns like, this is your project bread. And now, and this is your project, and we’re giving them like, real projects that are a bit bold for interns, and they are so amazing. And we’re getting so many things done that, you know, you talk about the day I’ve had, it’s Friday afternoon, and I was on with my team and we were just like celebrating the victories and it feels good to win we celebrate victories. It helps us not forget, we actually got a lot of things quote done, because sometimes you can get a lot of things done and then the next day go, Oh, I haven’t done crap. What a loser I am. You ever have that feeling? Oh, yeah, yeah. And so we were like, wow, we just and these young folks are taking on their like, My responsibility is I’m creating it’s it’s so energizing because as it pertains to spiritual dope, these young kids, they get it. They get it disproportionately. And we talk about being a lifter we talk about, you know, being open hearted and serving others and really seeing a vision of what you want to create that’s good for the world, and how you can attract that in even when you’re feeling in a crappy mood, or in a low period, which, you know, while today, it’s been one of those great days. It’s quite the roller coaster for all of us. And there’s all kinds of things happening. And there’s like this flow that’s going between the turbulence of people having like realizations about this is what I really love doing and I’m really a moved by it like your friend the medium. And these young folks. I call them kids but they’re they they’re getting this that we can’t keep up with them. They go Yeah, and when you talk about applying your yes and qualities, and really creating What you want, the way we see it is you could really, you know, you know, change the world and manifest this whole new way of being and, and they’re pushing the thinking and they’re really embracing it. They’re just soaking it up. And that to me is is one of the greatest things of today because we haven’t talked to them about two weeks. And I used to have weekly meetings and then we didn’t have to, we had two weeks and I, I told the team, I need a pep talk just to be in their energy, right? This gets things going it gets that flywheel going, when you move to a higher frequency of joy and celebration and gratitude. It’s from there that you can you know, get that Vantage on what you want to create, you know for for the world or it or in service and it helps you pop out of what gets you angry. And I was just telling my my sister Yes, yesterday that I had a day where I was on Facebook at the end of the day. I looked at myself and I tell him my kids, like, you know what I did? all day. I pretty much was on Facebook most of this day. What have I done and it was, I was like on Facebook for like five or six hours, and I was totally like, I couldn’t even get out of the sofa. And I was like, there’s got to be something good. Oh, that’s good. But they give me more, give me more. And I was so I got my vibration was like, Whoa, hmm. And I got into the car and my 77 Nova, and, you know, took off listening to some music very loudly and called a friend, like you were saying earlier today, like you feel the impulse to call someone and within within three or four minutes, we were back to you know, feeling good about the world and what’s happening. You can’t feel good about everything that’s happening, but you can hold a higher vibration that supports everybody. You know,

Brandon Handley 18:52
I say I think they I mean, you know, in terms of like the higher vibration and have have an elevated conversation is really kind of what we’re seeking. Like that, well, you’re having we’re looking for an elevated conversation. It’s not that these things aren’t important. It’s not that they aren’t happening. It’s not that you need to ignore them. But how can you elevate the conversation, bring it somewhere else and take it somewhere else entirely. And that’s the higher vibration that you’re talking about. Right? You You also, you’d mentioned like, you know, you don’t want to come from a scarcity power driven mentality, right modality. If you come from there, if you’re coming from a place of restriction, or fear of losing your place in line, right? That’s good things don’t come out of bad places.

paresh shah 19:40
Ultimately, they do when you look back at them sometimes I guess, but it doesn’t seem apparent. Right. Right. Well tie Right. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 19:46
And I’ll make it again, like, you know, coming from places of fear coming from places of scarcity, things can come out of there, like I was talking with somebody else, and they were saying, you know, ultimately, you need to hit rock bottom before you can, you know, bounce back up again and that has not you know i don’t care whose story is what story that has not been my story it’s very frustrating in to like for me to hear that line all the time because you can find yourself just wanting a different life right just realizing I think that you did with your pX 90 self right and with with with

Unknown Speaker 20:22
Tony Horton, Tony Horton but we love you

Brandon Handley 20:25
so, so fresh tell the story about what happened. You know so you’re you’re in you’re in. You’re in Paris and you’re you’re you know,

paresh shah 20:34
let’s call it being in a flat spin like goose goose and Tom Cruise. We’re in Top Gun where you’re just like something’s not working.

Brandon Handley 20:45
Yeah, I can take that. Yeah, yeah,

paresh shah 20:48
yeah, that’s kind of but not in the family side. family has always been wonderful supportive. Just kind of more in you know, kind of whatever you’d call it. I wouldn’t call it a midlife crisis unless I was in that mood it was it was a blender, a blender, but we don’t need to get into it. Part of the honest resume, by the way as a parent identical is, um, I prefer not to repeat the stories. And it would be cool if you could just like write down, by the way and here’s my journey. I thought I was all this. I thought it was all that I was really good at this and then this happened. And I realized I wasn’t this I realized this and that’s my story once and for all. So that we don’t live in our stories.

Anyway, this is apparently identical.

So p90x came in so I did not. I wasn’t, I didn’t feel attuned to direction let’s just say around what is the next step I thought that my thinking logical mind was the primary mechanism or dashboard in which to discern what the next action would be, etc and The The funny thing is you might call it well you know it’s Spirit spoke to me mediums books to be God spoke to me or somehow you listen to your true nature your higher self in yoga we call it own animal guru dev Namo your you call on your highest self to help you do your best. I didn’t really talk any of this I thought it was a bunch of hogwash, but I’m speaking to right now. Okay in the pendulum bride, and I got a message because I was in the flat spin and I’m like,

Unknown Speaker 22:34
you know,

paresh shah 22:37
what are they gonna do? What are they gonna do?

And then the message was you got to do something impossible press to get out of this situation. And I’m like, impossible. Who am I talking to? I don’t really believe in anything up there. Impossible, and I really wasn’t. You know, Constantly attuned to kind of listening to that spirit source. And I was like, Okay, sounds like I need to do something impossible. What is it? Do I need to like climb Mount Everest Do I need to like what’s impossible? And it came from so many places it was just like, like five or six conversations in a row around the inquiry of what’s impossible What do I need to do to get out of this spot spin? And I thought it would be like this. You know, big you know, go meditate for 500 days you know in it. I really need a K for this. Give me a cave give me a cave. Yeah, but make sure it is great espresso in the cave. You know, that’s the the spiritual dope. So what came before I really would even speak of things coming in the in the listening was You want to get out of this situation per rash? Like, yeah, it really doesn’t feel good and it sucks. And I feel kind of low right now. And it doesn’t make me a great dad either sometimes. And the answer was great. I got it for you. I’m like, Great. I’ll do it. I climb Kilimanjaro with my buddy Dave. I can do it. p90x. I’m like, What? You need to do p90x. I’m like you mean the. I’m Tony Horton, you up 90 days get the best shape of your life. And, and it was a joke. It was kind of like what? Right and I realized later that I had never pushed myself that hard. without someone kicking my butt to do it, ever actually in anything because, like academics and things came naturally I played tennis. Since Swimming, but it wasn’t really like, you got to show up yourself to do something really demanding where it hurts. And you got to get that extra pull up up. And so I started doing it, which was weird that I followed through on it, but it was kind of like the let’s call it a voice but it wasn’t a voice. It was a knowing, um

was Yeah, like to you that’s kind of impossible

to be like ripped and, you know, and be that, like so fierce, right I had I had not been fierce. Physically, I’d never played like football or anything.

And

so I started doing it and my little living room in a village in France where the kids went to school and we’d occasionally go to a dance garden, and I got into my body in a way I’d never seen gotten into my body and the message I got was like, Yeah, you’re going to do this. And if you don’t, this time, then shut the Bleep up about ever getting in shape. And if you end up being on the sidelines, you know, when your grandkids are playing football, just remember this and not in a loving way not in a in a you know, shame bill way or anything like that. Just like a dude, this is your moment, like step up is it and so I did it in not 90 days, it took me longer. But I really did it. Like I’d come home at one in the morning from work. And I’d put that disc in and I had never really put the disc in like that before in my life, put that disc in and go I’m gonna do this. And I actually did complete it. I felt really good about myself and showing up my kids like wow, Dad’s going crazy. Doing this stuff. And then and then Tony Horton and his whole gang of people all become like our friends in our house and you know, my kids come home to dad you hanging out with friends. Wherever today because Dre has like Tony sidekick. And then there’s Greg over here. And so they became personalities in the house. And I found the physicality and the pushing myself. And the message was, you know, and I was like, I did it, I did the impossible. I did something I didn’t feel I could do. And then the learning from that, or the lesson was, once you do one thing, it’s impossible. Nothing’s impossible. And so my flat spin started coming out. And so I kind of came out of my flat spin. And I was like, wow, okay, this feels good. I’m starting to really get some traction around other aspects of my business in my life and what I wanted to create, and then and I felt really good. Like I did the impossible, Tony, exit up. And what happened was then my wife decided to do it because she had seen, you know,

Brandon Handley 27:51
the results or whatever we call it.

Unknown Speaker 27:54
And don’t be shy.

Unknown Speaker 27:56
That’s all right. Yeah, it worked for you. I’m not so rip,

paresh shah 27:58
as but anyway.

So she’s like, I’m gonna do this. And so she started doing it and then guess who showed up in the spiritual domain? In my little on the shoulder here going, Hey, Paresh Guess who showed up?

Brandon Handley 28:14
Under the answer, so I don’t want to give it away.

paresh shah 28:17
Doubting Thomas.

Doubting Thomas was like a press. Yeah.

What if it was a fluke that you did that impossible thing?

I’m like, No man, I sweat. I I went from rubber bands.

To massive man.

Unknown Speaker 28:38
Massive man, you know me.

paresh shah 28:42
Oh, man.

Unknown Speaker 28:45
All the time.

paresh shah 28:49
I like the mini massive. I get mad. I went, I went for a minivan.

So I went and I was like, No, no, I’m not going to accept that. I I’ve read the Four Agreements

I’ve gotten. So I got into all the spirituality, and I found it like this amazing new world. And I was like, No, I’m not agreeing with that. It’s what you agreed to is what you experience is what you create. It’s what you out project. Like, I’m not gonna agree to that. It’s like, dude, dude, it was a fluke. It was a fluke. I’m like, No, so I started going online. And looking up. Can you do like, what if you do p90x multiple times, and there’s some guys who’ve done it like five times, they’re really freaky.

Unknown Speaker 29:39
There’s so

Brandon Handley 29:41
many pack.

paresh shah 29:43
So I said, you know, I’m gonna do it again. I’m gonna do this again. Shut up, shut up. And so I started doing it again. And again. I wasn’t so strong. Um, I’ve gotten I’m pretty much like a weakling. But my barbells and dumbbells were getting more heavy. And I my wrists, I didn’t like exercise my wrists and my wrists got injured. doing that, and I finally got it into my physicality. And I’m starting to really, you know, feel like what it feels like to push hard. Push yourself beyond, and I said, you know, this physicality of like, really being in the moment of something is really a powerful experience. And, and I’m feeling really powerful. I’m getting my fearlessness back, let’s go do something else and and the ideas are flowing. And so then I said, Well, let me do some yoga or something. So I can, you know, rest my wrist and just do some other and meditation. Thus, I got into the yoga and meditation, which is, you know, so part of,

Brandon Handley 30:53
you know, who you are and what you do, right. Right. I love Now, here’s the here’s my big Take away from that story, right is is the the whole idea. And the reason I asked you to share is because once you do the impossible once, right,

Unknown Speaker 31:09
and then you begin to see that other things

Brandon Handley 31:12
are fine. What else have I been holding yourself back for you today?

paresh shah 31:15
Exactly. Right, exactly.

Brandon Handley 31:18
Right. And it’s so funny because the way you tell your story about the tailspin, you know, I totally relate right and and, you know, you could you know, plenty and I think you and I had this conversation, plenty people could call it a midlife crisis. I like the idea of awakening, but a second chance at life. I’d like you like you would mention there’s like,

paresh shah 31:38
a second chance at life. That’s pretty good, right? Because even awakening is kind of like, well, what’s that really mean? I mean, he says, it’s kind of a chance, a second chance of living. Yeah, like that.

Brandon Handley 31:48
But the thing is, is that, um, you, you made a conscious real superconscious decision and recognize that there were two paths you could go down right? You I could I could get on a path where I sit down on my ass and watch my grandkids play and it’s great. But if I have the opportunity to participate, I choose that opportunity. So I really view that the whole you know, second second chance, right? you get you get presented, right, you get pretty bad. It’s a presentation. It’s a present

paresh shah 32:24
to like that. Yeah, it’s,

Brandon Handley 32:26
it’s a gift it is it’s a gift. Because because here you go. And it says, All right. You have, you know, you’re smart enough, you know, the outcomes if you continue this way for the rest of your life. Make a choice, right. And once you make that choice, it’s put up or shut up.

paresh shah 32:46
Right, in every in every moment of your life

Brandon Handley 32:48
for the rest of your life, actually, because

paresh shah 32:50
there’s a lot you caught you constantly have. Right, right. It’s way but it’s also good. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 32:55
it’s also not until you recognize how powerful That moment is where you make that choice. Yeah. Right. Just like your point, you know, so, you know, if you’re listening, you know, press has got like a V, they’re like, you know, there’s an intersection there. And this is this is the power of choice. Yeah. Which which not for nothing, it took me 40 years. All right, I’m not I’m not the I’m not the fastest one of the bunch, right to recognize that when the power of choice and exactly what that’s gonna mean, first of all, you got to choose to own your life. This is your life that everything that happens is it’s a choice, right? You, you made that choice to lose that job at GE because you went on that hike, right? You know, you made it maybe not

paresh shah 33:47
consciously, right, maybe not consciously, right.

Brandon Handley 33:49
And you showed up there when you showed up there.

paresh shah 33:51
Right.

Brandon Handley 33:52
You accepted that right? You own it. You said all right. Well, all right. Well, that was a choice I made right and here we are. This is my life now. And these are the The choices that I’m making. And that’s the look and again, I think this is stuff that you’re teaching with lifter leadership to with the opportunity let’s let’s talk about, you know, bringing all of who you are to work right like, let’s because listen I want I want people to understand that you are leading a spiritually LED, you know, art center of all of who you are your Divine Self. Yes, but you’re doing it with a purpose and a passion that is leading others in that direction so that they can know give give me give you give that you give the story because it’s yours itself.

paresh shah 34:33
Yeah, so our team is this lifters thing is really

resonating. It’s resonating with a within our team within these young folks who like yeah, that’s how we would like to be led, you know, give us responsibilities. let us apply our yes and skill set and show up in different ways. And so When I will describe to you I’m going to draw it but I’ll guide in space as well for the audio listeners is like the Four Agreements.

Pop quiz asshole. What are the Four Agreements Brandon come on you can nail

Brandon Handley 35:15
me I don’t I just you know be impeccable with your words like the

paresh shah 35:19
right okay? The snipers taking the laser beam off your head. Look, I mean that’s a shame. That’s I’m going down I’m gonna be impeccable with my word.

Brandon Handley 35:30
picking one.

paresh shah 35:32
And you know what that might be. All you need to do is be impeccable with your word, put your word out there and then receive and accept and let it go. I think that’s pretty much the simple truth that my the teachers who I most respect convey and one of these days I’ll get it. Um, but yeah, that was a speed reference would I believe was filmed here in LA so I’d love to see that. Now that I’m in LA and see that school bus with galleries that dun dun dun dun dun Cuz Now I know what the five is. I know what the 405 is, and I think it ends at La. So that’s an action movie. But anyway, um, the four agreements are very powerful, be impeccable with your word, always do your best.

Don’t make assumptions. And what’s the other one? There’s one more. Okay, listeners, you know it, you know, the back of what

Brandon Handley 36:29
you call it.

paresh shah 36:30
Don’t take anything personal. Okay, that’s very, very great one. So

those are the poor. And so, and it’s all about making agreements with yourself and with what you’re willing to accept, in, you know, your your world. Now, there is a collective consciousness where you can’t begin to say, Well, you know, I’m agreeing with the violence that’s going on or I’m agreeing with the division or the other ring and the brutality and you know, actually And around that is important and essential. So I don’t want to, you know, convey that, you know, it’s just that simple bippity boppity boo, you know, I’m not agreeing with this, and therefore it doesn’t exist and put your head in the sand. So in a similar way to the Four Agreements, lifter leadership has, for what we call mind shifts. We need to shift our minds to adapt and evolve into a new way of being as humans and as humanity. And what’s happening is people are aligning up with these ways of being and what we have found from the business perspective. And from the innovation, team motivation, customer loyalty. Sustainability perspective is that this model works for organizations to be able to do their jobs and, and thrive very effectively in today’s time, so we have four mind shifts. And it’s not a mindset. We don’t want anything to be set in stone, everything is always moving always evolve the clue that we are notes in a sacred song. That’s just a symphony of energy moving through what appears as the universe to us, which is a song all around us and we are each a unique divine expression and unique divine frequency pulsating in no other way down to where I believe every hair is an antenna, a different little antenna 20% that creates a unique note, and we’re all notes in a sacred song. And we could just fly in the song and let it be it just you know, respond to what comes and take the next right action or we can fight and be discarded and attitude. cetera. So we have for mind shift and lifter leadership. The first mind ship, we call serve up, serve up game on is that you game in town serve up and this game is a shift from scarcity to abundance from me, too We from that command control dominating way of being to cooperation and co creation, right and so the just observe up is to recognize that the hunt is over, it’s no longer about hunting. Okay lifters don’t need to hunt lifters can attract cuz they saw a whole different game.

Brandon Handley 39:45
I got to tell I got to tell you, right so i’m gonna i’m in a new I’m in a newer job role right right now and I saw that they were bringing on what they called hunters. Right? And so I had, we had to give a presentation on you know what we’re doing or whatever And I, the girl that I’m working with, I was like, Can we change this? kind of want to be a hunter? I was like, Can we change this and we win and we call ourselves rainmakers. Right? I love it and, and they accepted that too because I mean, the art art or title or job was like rain or was hunters right and everybody’s accepted our rebranding and I’m just like love

paresh shah 40:21
that isn’t that feel great?

Brandon Handley 40:23
Oh my god cuz I like I don’t make me feel like a hunter like I’m running out there like you talking about like with and I just remembered our conversations right I’m like, I don’t want to be this photosphere out there trying to catch my catch my next meal, you know and and,

paresh shah 40:39
and divvy it up because it’s all about market share not very, you know, the mind shift is the market share scarcity, competition, right sharing. That’s the new economy. That’s the new way of being

Brandon Handley 40:50
so to to just create something together. What exactly what can we come together here to co co create, right there’s something here and if you and I can can you know If we can be impeccable with our words, right? We can if we can come together in those ways and and and identify each other as humans, trying to, you know, bring better things to the world, right and improvement somehow, then we can co create this thing, right? And yes, I don’t need to hunt you, we’re going to attract each other.

paresh shah 41:20
Exactly. I don’t want to be a piece of meat. I don’t want to be a piece of meat. So anyway, what the, the first mic is, is about serve up service instead of transaction. Right? And it’s serve up. It’s a new game. It’s a new game. And the game is a very different game with different rules. And when we shift into this lifter way of being, then everything works a lot better or most things work a lot better. So that’s serve up the first mind shift that we just talked about. The second mindset is Listen up. Listen up, and we teach four types of listening because listening is The new way is the new language, essentially. And we teach four ways of listening. One way is listening to your embodied dashboard. So what is your intuition telling you what your gut telling you? And let’s consider that part of your brain in addition to that logical and rational, you know, kind of more mathematical or analytical way of being which also has its place, but let’s really tune in to our embodied listening and go you know, does this feel like it’s an integrity does this does this is feel right, what’s the right thing to do on the front lines in this situation with this customer and tuning in to that feeling and we call it you know, having more than a feeling it’s like really like, it’s more than the feeling that gets us into that. It’s the spiritual dope, like when you really tap into that vibration of of

Basically that that embodied knowingness as an additional way of responding. Then we listen then we have listening to others. And then we have listening to that inner self, which is the whole mindfulness piece. So lifters have a mindfulness aspect. So that is listen Ops, we have server. First one, listen up. The third one is show up. And that’s like the centerpiece of this. And there we say it’s about writing your yes and breathing. So you’ve

Brandon Handley 43:28
got thanks for tuning in today, guys. This is gonna be a split file. But I want to make sure that the ending where you can connect with Paresh is available to you. So I’m keeping that on the end of both tracks. So this is week one, at the end of week one, you’re just going to be able to hear where you can connect with them. Don’t be surprised when you hear the same ending on week two. Shaw, everybody. Thank you so much, man for taking the time today for for reconnecting. Where? Where might you look? I mean, where am I going to some people find press today?

paresh shah 44:05
Ah, well, we are all one according to Mooji. And so get them here and there you are there I am there there. There it is.

If you go to our website lifters rising calm the tea team, as you know put some things out there as resources. If you feel you’re a lifter, which you know I’m imagine your your audience gets attracted into your your messaging, then come to lifters rising calm, maybe share your story. Connect with us if we can be of help to you. That’s one way of getting in touch with us. We are also creating an app. This company, that’s basically an app for lifters is the way to describe blip pulse. And so we’re going to be getting, we’re putting this app out into the world. That’s all about Love big lifters and and you know creating a messaging and kind of social media experience that’s around love and happiness and joy and basically spreading the spiritual dope, I guess is how we might your hope dealer I mean, oh my goodness. But as I told you know not due to sex, drugs and rock and roll of this, this situation here so so yeah we’re so we’re going to be launching a beta on that app and so connect with me however you like through LinkedIn or lifters rising and we’re going to be having certain people be beta users to help us really flesh out this experience that helps us share love and compassion and caring and giving loving impulse which is what glint pulse is really oriented around so that’ll be glim pulse, calm GL impulse calm, the giving, loving, impulse, cheery, that giving loving impulse so we’ve got lifters rising calm and good Paul dot com. And if we can be of any service to you, your audience in any way. Absolutely, we’re here. We’re here to serve up and we want to listen up to you so we can show up in our best way to act up and make a difference. All around noms day.

Wednesday Brandon, thank you so much Brandon Handley.

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