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Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
One. Hey, there’s spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We’re giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He’s the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we’re gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34
Yeah, so I’m looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that’s happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There’s a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it’s because of a lot of things, but because our world, there’s so much going on, there’s so much information, there’s so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what’s going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we’re not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48
That’s cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49
So what do you what do you think that we’re not seeing right now? What’s like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58
Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we’re seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can’t trust we can’t put our faith in as someone who’s going to stand side by side with me to face what’s coming face, you know, the continued craziness that’s unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58
So I mean, it’s I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I’m hearing, right. And it’s allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we’re not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I’m kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26
Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we’re viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what’s going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you’re able to see kind of what’s really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24
So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it’s kind of like a, you just like you’re saying, There’s, there’s no, there’s no hiding from yourself. Right? There’s, there’s no, there’s no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you’re saying, like, you’re fully exposed, right, you’re fully exposed. And I think that what you’re saying is really important, too, right? You’ve got to have someone there, or there’s has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we’re gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there’s the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don’t have that, that space created for yourself. And you don’t have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you’ve illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn’t know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let’s talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don’t mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14
yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it’s more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you’re mentioning, I, I’m in this container of support. But it’s not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here’s this experience, you are traveling through it, you’re experiencing it. And it’s embodied that way. It’s not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I’ve grown, as I’ve developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let’s say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it’s something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that’s embodied. That’s not just someone telling you something. It’s you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24
For sure you use the word that I’m a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There’s this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What’s that? What’s that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you’re like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you’re like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it’s a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I’m guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there’s like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you’re feeling right, and then they’ve got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that’s well put. And I think that there’s a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can’t speak of, because there’s no words for it is it It feels like you’re connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you’re describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn’t have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it’s not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it’s just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it’s actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that’s greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you’re kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there’s something more here, and I’m through doing this work on myself, I’m healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it’s really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it’s not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that’s pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there’s this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you’re saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I’ve seen is a, you know, there’s this whole idea of, let’s get rid of the ego, right? But then there’s this whole, there’s also this other terminology like, well, I’m my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I’m good over here, bro. Like, I’ve reached a plateau. And you’re all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49
Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that’s an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that’s in that state. Again, it’s an ecstatic state. So you’re excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I’m gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That’s, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21
So, you know, let’s say again, let’s say I come to you for a session, right? What’s this? What’s that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I’m going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn’t have any integration. And so I don’t feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that’s right there. That’s a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you’ve had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it’s me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that’s a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you’re it’s kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you’re kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you’re going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I’m going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I’m not seeing right now what’s holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you’re kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it’s not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I’m gonna, you know, I’m going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there’s way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn’t get what I wanted. Because you’re gonna get I believe you’re gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06
For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that’s super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I’ve listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that’s going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you’re so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it’s not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you’re attached to, as you’re going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don’t do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I’m gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you’re in the right mental state and like, hey, if you’ve had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that’s a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you’re not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42
Yeah, that’s a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don’t ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you’re bringing up, if you’re in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you’re just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you’re not, you don’t have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I’m going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I’m going to turn to this thing that I’ve heard, cures depression that I’ve heard, you know, heals people, this. So I’m just gonna jump into this, when really, it’s much more nuanced than that. And it’s, and it’s quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I’m ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there’s a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there’s someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There’s other people there to support you, there’s this feeling that I’m participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that’s not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you’re going through this, just so you know, okay, I’m in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there’s not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don’t have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I’m having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it’s not just you flying out in space. And it’s maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they’re really young, and maybe it’s in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there’s, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don’t, I don’t knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it’s done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It’s It’s too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there’s not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35
100% Yeah, nothing you’re saying here that I disagree with. I’m not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I’m gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you’ve got like this indigenous setting, right? You’ve got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It’s quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there’s a support what you’re going through. And I think that that’s super important. I think that’s really awesome that you’re, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody’s first experience. I think a couple of things like when you’re younger, I don’t know that you really got the capability to speak, what you’re given in that experience, to the level that you’re delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you’ll take somebody on that’s this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03
Yeah, it to me, it doesn’t matter as long as again, the as long as you’re approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn’t matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan’s book, and you’re curious or if you’ve sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29
Should I be reading Michael’s book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32
I mean, I think it’s a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39
I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what’s your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who’s your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57
Yeah, again, anyone who’s curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41
guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55
An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59
That’s right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00
I don’t have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03
Yeah, I’m just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it’s it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn’t been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it’s just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where’s your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you’ve been trying to kick down, but you haven’t been able to, and all of a sudden, it’s like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it’s like you were saying earlier, it’s not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It’s this other thing. That’s way over here, you haven’t even considered, it’s been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It’s opened up, they’ve got you there with them, and they’re able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13
Perhaps I’m in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn’t be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you’re being seen? Do you feel like you’re being understood? Or do you feel like you’re kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there’s so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there’s more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we’ll continue to as we move forward, it’s not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It’s and it is, it’s, it’s something that you can’t explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It’s very, to me, it’s very reassuring. And I think it’s one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we’re heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20
100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that’s really, to me, I think that’s super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don’t want you saying that’s bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48
Yeah, yeah. So I’m kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it’s important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I’m, I’m constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46
No, no, 100%. That’s it. And there’s a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you’re doing is really important. I think that it’s pretty cool that you’re doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there’s this Renaissance, right, and there, you’re just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you’re like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they’re basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I’m gonna ask a question or two, let’s do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38
Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can’t externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can’t give our trust away lightly. Because it’s, you know, that’s one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38
That’s number one, that’s a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51
Would you say? Yeah, I, I that’s, that’s part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03
I think you would say we are all one. So I’m not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don’t buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15
Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it’s not lost. What it is, is not lost, it’s transformed. It’s turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don’t think anything’s lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27
I like it. I mean, it’s kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you’ve already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there’s never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it’s just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57
Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59
All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you’re doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you’re doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12
Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you’re resonating with anything I’m saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

Transcript below machine generated

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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I had the amazing opportunity to connect with Anna Champagne, who is a Professional Fiber Artist, Designer and Color Healer creating vibrant and luxurious silk scarves, shawls, throws and custom fabrics. Each scarf is designed and hand-painted one-at-a-time by the Artist with dyes in beautiful uplifting colors.

Anna has degrees in textiles and interior design, and has trained extensively in the holistic healing field. She is the owner of A Path of Beauty and Anna Champagne Silks, hand painting luxurious silk scarves and shawls in vibrant, healing colors and enriching people’s lives with her silks, inspirational writings, healing sessions and color healing course.

Her love and interest in textiles began at a young age. She has taught classes in weaving, computer- aided design, and Shibori, and now Color Healing.

Anna’s work has been exhibited in galleries from Madison Avenue, NYC to Carmel, CA, and at high-end craft shows and holistic shows in New York, Boston, etc.   Her earlier work is included in The Guild 4, A Sourcebook of American Crafts.  She was the featured artist in Sarasota Magazine, 2006. And her article Color Healing: Using Color and Divine Wisdom to Enrich Our Lives, was published in Energy Magazine, May/June 2017.

“I create silks that surround people in beauty and the healing energy of color that nurtures, uplifts and inspires.  Luxurious hand painted silk scarves, shawls, and throws that are as soft as rose petals and as harmonious and peaceful as being in a beautiful garden.  Live a poetic life of beauty…Joie de Vivre in Silk!”    Anna Champagne

Connect with Anna over at https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Interested in her silks? https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Anna also has a great course for those who are interested in color healing: http://www.annachampagnesilks.com/color-healing-course/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Thanks for joining me again today And today, we have Anna champagne. Joining us. Anna is a professional fiber artist, energy healer, teacher, author, designer and entrepreneur, owner of Anna champagne silks and a path of beauty. She has degrees in textiles and interior design as trained extensively in the holistic healing field, including emotion code, Body Code, and transformational breathing, and created color healing for a vibrant, abundant life energy healing system. And thanks so much for joining with us today.

Anna Champagne 0:41
Thanks, Brandon. It’s great to be here. Just so you know, sauna. I like that.

Brandon Handley 0:49
Got it. Got it. Thanks. So now I’m gonna have to fix that throughout the entire way. I’m on a one of the things that I feel pretty strongly about is that When we communicate on these podcasts and when we have these conversations, there’s somebody out there that needs to hear something through us and we’re simply here as a you know, divine vessels call it what you will right? Call what you want but I think that somebody is tuned in today that needs to hear what from you like they need to hear this somebody needs to hear this what is it

Unknown Speaker 1:31
basically

Anna Champagne 1:34
that they’re loved and that they can live a path of beauty You know, that’s what I’m kind of live myself and share and and it just becomes a rich life and it really isn’t spiritual or regular mundane or any of it. It’s all one life. So the more we kind of, you know, just bring that all together and then it’s really rich and colorful and beautiful.

Brandon Handley 1:58
I love it. I love it. So it’s not that they’re not segmented life pieces for you. It’s all one holistic life.

Anna Champagne 2:06
Yeah. And I’m still like everyone, you know, feels deeply you know that. And I do agree with you what you’re saying, because that was my prayer even before coming on. I said, you know, it’s not about me, it’s about you know, how I can touch someone or, you know, and I pray, can I say the words that someone is needing to hear tonight, so you know, so that was perfect.

Brandon Handley 2:29
I love it. I love it. Perfect. So, you know, it looks like we’ve got the right person on here. One thing I do want to touch on that I know we had a little precursor conversation, you know, I caught that you studied with like Gregg Braden, Byron, and some of these other people, you know, can be a little bit about that. Right? I love these are some people that are new, newer to my life, right, but I love them. What was like one of the favorite courses or someplace that you studied with that? That was exciting for you? Um,

Anna Champagne 2:58
oh, they’re all wonderful. The path. Byron Katie was great. You know, I was a transformational breath facilitator and trainer, and this was the early days, but even before she became more famous, you know, she had written her first book. And we used to bring her, you know, to our trainings or to our city or even we had our first breath cruise, and we were doing breath work. And then we brought Katie along and she was teaching some things and then every night after dinner, you know, she would just show up and work with us. And, and to this day, whenever I see her, you know, and I haven’t seen her in a while, but every time she says hello, Angel, and I just feel like she sees me. Fantastic.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Yeah. When you say we in that, what are you who’s that inclusive of?

Anna Champagne 3:44
Um, that’s when I was doing transformation breathing years ago,

Brandon Handley 3:50
okay, that’s not something you’re doing right now. So much of

Anna Champagne 3:52
it’s it’s part of me, but now I’ve kind of, you know, well, we’ll get into it all what I’m doing, but I’m Kind of branding my own color healing system and silks and also right

Brandon Handley 4:05
right so I mean yeah that I mean that that is your that is your that is what I see you doing right now that’s what you presented to me you’re doing textile you’re doing color healing. Oh you were introduced to me by our mutual friend Mark Youngblood as a color healer. I was super intrigued about that. While I read a little bit about what you have to say in there. You know, tell us a little bit about what color healing is.

Anna Champagne 4:30
Well, it’s it’s actually a vibrational energy healing modality. And, you know, I’m blessed to be able to as a fiber artist, I campaign on cilex campaign hand dye, and through decades of, you know, working with people and seeing what the silks do in their energy field and the specific colors like you know, like the ones I have on, I just come to see how the frequencies of light color work in our own hands. energy field and affect us and I especially work more in the emotional realm. Because, you know, of course, color affects us emotionally and as a sensitive an empath, and you know, as many people are there, you know, even people that don’t think there was sensitive are, you know, so that’s why color is just so important and impactful. And now when we consciously use it, we can really heal like old emotional patterns, we can raise our vibration, we can direct it for specific uses. So I’m really blessed that I get to, you know, paint and die and be immersed in color and then you know, share it with others and then and then teach it.

Brandon Handley 5:47
I love that. So the colors that you’re wearing today, what are they? What do they bring to me vibrationally

Anna Champagne 5:53
Well, most people have heard of like Archangel Michael. And with my color healing system. It’s based on like the rays of God. Consciousness so it’s kind of a very spiritual at the core. And there’s these divine qualities as embodied by the archangels and angels so most people have heard of Archangel Michael and we think protection but it’s also focus and will and faith. And each Archangel has their divine feminine counterpart called an RPI. So with Archangel Michael it’s archiv faith. So faith is a real tangible energy to so. So for me and also, you know, blues are healing you know, they’re like water, they’re calming. So for me doing something like this, you know, it keeps me a little focused and it’s very calming to

Brandon Handley 6:44
fantastic. I’m glad I’m wearing blue then to stay focused a little bit. Right. Now, I love that you mentioned to like, you know, that you’ve got kind of this Archangel as part of your story. Right. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Right. So how does how does how did you leave archangels and angels into your path.

Anna Champagne 7:03
I’m just on my spiritual path. I think I knew of Archangel Michael and things because I’ve been on my spiritual path most of my life and knew of Archangel Michael and especially when I was actually a young mother and this is before I got on my spiritual path about 20 years ago where I learned more in depth about the archangels and all and if anyone knows about that, you know, young mother new mother just worried and you know, and, and for me being an empath and sensitive you know, I would get like open to any thought of like any fearful thought I would feel it like so much through my body, it was just hard to deal with. So luckily, I knew of Archangel Michael and then when I started calling to them, I can actually help kind of smooth down and that anxiety and fear and then I came to help others, you know, help other, you know, mothers and just other people, you know, with that as well. And now over decades, you know, he’s just, I can’t I don’t think any of us could really be here without Archangel Michael, whether you call him by name or now or anything here to

help us on the path,

Brandon Handley 8:12
you know, if somebody is not that’s a terrible way to say Archangel Li, you know, aligned, what are some other kind of spiritual resonance that they might have? If so, like you said, if they don’t know them is Archangel Michael, what else might they call him or that presence?

Unknown Speaker 8:34
Um,

Anna Champagne 8:36
I think a lot of people are aware of or interested in angels. And even when I was, you know, writing my first color healing article, and actually one of my other great mentors is Jacob Lieberman. He wrote light medicine of the future and take off your glasses and see and I studied with him, you know, years ago a lot and he’s just one of my greatest mentors.

was I going with that?

Oh, so when I was writing the article, I wanted to create kind of an overview of things. And you know, didn’t talk about the archangels too much because really color on its own and the frequencies of color can support us whether we, we connect with the angels or you know, call to them or use them consciously, but they are here to co create with us and help support us, right in a big way. And actually, my daughter who grew up with all this and you know, is just knows me the best, you know, at one point she says, Oh, Mom, you can’t you can’t take the angels out. That’s your brand. That’s who you are. You can’t separate you from the angels. Nice. But I can you know, talk about color to just as we know, I

Brandon Handley 9:49
think I think that you know, my question was definitely more aligned to other spiritual modalities right of Archangel Michael right. So if if I’m coming Going from a shamanistic background or just some other type of esoteric background, right? What would you would you align it to something else in those spaces?

Anna Champagne 10:13
I wouldn’t but people that don’t have the wording might, you know, call them spirit guides or something like that? I don’t really I’d like to be more specific with the as I know the different things but even you know, I have friends in shamanism and they also teach angels because it’s just a different aspect of you know, frequencies and energies and you know, beings and all that so

Unknown Speaker 10:41
I appreciate that. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 10:42
like I said, I’m, I’m not well versed in angels, right. And so, but I do understand spirit guide, right. So you know, if if I’m running around and I’m trying to feel something and it’s hard for me to again, mentally pull On an angel vibe, right right, then I might be able to pull on some others your spiritual guide God type of thing, right? So

Anna Champagne 11:07
the way that I could talk about it, you know, I did shows, you know,

body mind spirit, Whole Health, new life and boutique shows all kinds of things for many decades. And I would have like, you know, just all these soaks, you know, in my booth, and people would come in and I always want to empower people. So even if I knew like one that would be advantageous for them, I would always say, well, which color are you most drawn to? And then they would go and usually they would really go right to one that they would feel good in and they try it on and they feel something even if they thought you know, I don’t I’m not sensitive or anything they they always are, they really can feel it and then I would put on another one that maybe was even a similar color. And they would go oh my goodness, I can tell the difference. Wow. Are they put on one that’s really a contrast and what go wow, that feels even different. Sure, and then people can see that. So, really, for me, the key part is, you know, healing our trapped emotions and those emotional energies that are, you know, the sadness, grief. I mean, we’re human. So we have all those things. But I know we feel better usually when it’s joy and love and those kind of things. So when we take those things that are actually blocking our energy, they’re not good or bad, but they can become trapped in blocker energy. So when we’re healing that and then they have that flow of energy from God goddess, all that is whatever you call it, your higher self, you know, I call it my presence or that presence, so So when you’re healing that and raising your vibration, my goal is really to help people connect with their highest wisdom and their highest self.

Unknown Speaker 12:51
So

Anna Champagne 12:53
and that’s, that’s really cool. I think most of you want to be most connected with

Brandon Handley 12:58
Sure, sure. I thought, you know, it’s Because, you know, I was actually having this thought earlier that you said, you know, it’s not necessarily about you, when you enter into the show, it’s like kind of what can you do in service of but yeah, on it, it is about you, right? It is about you connecting with your highest self and just being in that space for a moment and just accepting that nobody needs anything from you, but you’ve got someone that you’re willing to give. Right. You know, let’s talk a little bit more about the angel part though, because they’re, you know, like I said, I was able to listen to one podcast that you were interviewed on earlier and you’ve got this amazing, kind, amazing Angel story. Once you just kind of shares sure that part.

Anna Champagne 13:43
I do and I actually have my good old Angel book that I was actually visiting a friend I live in Florida now and I was in New England visiting friend and went to my car to get NINJA book and so Someone actually tried to kill me she was mentally unstable. I didn’t know her, but she was known to people and, you know, without going into this story, but still someone tried to find me over with a car. Wow. And because of it, I was hit by the car. But as I was walking, I just was like looking down. And it’s like, what’s going on with my ankle or my leg, you know, and then before I knew, and I just was like, kind of falling or whatever, but really ended up hitting the ankle and shattered my ankle and foot and left leg and all that. And afterwards, I you know, and I’ve had, you know, surgeries, and I mean, it was, it was quite a karmic thing. Quite a big deal in my life and in a real healing journey that came from it. But when I asked friends like on my spiritual path, I said, How could this have happened, you know, I’m so devout are just so connected and spiritual. And they said, it’s because of that, that the angel saved your life. Hmm. And I’m getting chills even telling you that because I just feel it’s so true. And I vowed to all my healing journey to help people in whatever way I can what I learned through all the healing that I did through it, but they really did save my life.

Brandon Handley 15:18
I get it. So um, you know, you mentioned that you’ve been on the spiritual path pretty much your entire life. And so you already had this vibrational awareness right? You already had this holistic awareness and once you got involved with fabrics and colors, it wasn’t a simple transition for you into the vibrational colors.

Anna Champagne 15:46
Well, yes and no, I mean, it was one of those being sensitive and you know, sometimes feeling really lonely even if a family are feeling different, as many people describe often and just Just getting into, you know, loving being in nature or writing poetry or doing things, you know, different things like that. And just just feeling like the search. So even when I was little, I would, you know, go to the library and search even when I was little for certain things, you know, along the way. So, so it’s kind of just been a journey, like many people, you know, you know, pursue this pursue that, you know, learn about this, see how it feels, you know, and, and then just keep growing that way. So it wasn’t, you know, and it’s not like my parents were all conscious. And, you know, we grew up the main girl, and then that kind of thing. So they weren’t holistic in the least, and they still aren’t. But even through that, I realized through the years, especially as I’m learning things, and you’re all excited to share with your family and help them and, you know, they’re like, thank you, but you know, believe what you believe or not interested. Yeah, the greatest thing I learned, especially with my dad was The greatest thing we could do for healing for someone was to love them unconditionally. Sure. And it didn’t matter. All those differences.

Brandon Handley 17:10
Right. Right. Now listen, I mean, when I first had, you know, what I would classify as an awakening experience, not wanting to run around, and I guess I guess that’s, I guess that’s kind of the whole the gospel part of the gospel thing. You’ve got to hear this good news. Why don’t I tell them all about this? wait a year round? This

Unknown Speaker 17:28
is awesome. Um, and,

Brandon Handley 17:31
yeah, it’s not everybody’s path. Right? It’s not everybody’s path. But it’s still it’s, you know, I guess when you’re vibing. So hard, right. It’s like, What do you mean, you don’t see it this way? And how can you not feel this way? And why wouldn’t you go down this path? And like you said, it’s when we just step back and love them, unconditionally? who they are the way they are right now. Yeah. can’t do much more than that, right?

Anna Champagne 18:01
What’s tills? True? And you know, to answer more of your question. I went to school for English and weaving because I started weaving when I was about 16. And I was always doing kind of crafts and things and knitting and crochet and all that because my mother grandmother, so even when I was in textile school, for my BFA in textiles and fiber, I, you know, I started then I actually painted on really fine silk threads and wove them into scarves and shawls and will wall pieces, please. And yet, I was still gathering, you know, all the spiritual books and I was starting to get some books on color and chakras and different things like that. But I didn’t read most of them years later. And the reason I realized was because I had to kind of develop my own sense of it, of the color and kind of learn it from within a little bit more of the code. So one time I remember when I was you know, I I think I was starting to, you know, maybe it was after I was at a school. And I was just questioning, you know, that format of the scarves and shawls. And then I opened one of those books and it said, Yeah, you want to wear the silks over your throat and heart chakras and I’m like, okay, that’s the answer. And you know, so I still kind of use that that form of the silks and the shawls I mean, the scarves in the shells

Brandon Handley 19:26
when you say that form the you mean by put it over your chakras?

Anna Champagne 19:31
Yeah, I was just in one of those color healing books. It kind of answered that that it’s really advantageous a lot of times to where over your throat or your heart

Brandon Handley 19:40
Alright, so when you’re when you’re when you were starting your spiritual journey picking up all these books, what kind of books were you picking up? Like? What was what was the opening of the doors for you? I guess as it were,

Anna Champagne 19:53
um, there’s been so many through the years I do collect wisdom

Brandon Handley 19:58
right right there in the beginning, right. So I mean, you’re you’re picking up all these books, you hadn’t quite read them, but they were of interest to you

Anna Champagne 20:04
somewhere the color healing somewhere.

Well, even earlier, you know, when I was 16 I was meditating at a friend’s house because her parents were into Edgar Casey, airy, and all that. So, you know, I had my first and then and then when we were in Boston, I actually, you know, my then husband and I, we went to his son or I think grandson, we went to a workshop and thing, were part of that for a while, and then it always comes full circle that I wasn’t into it for years. And then I was, you know, going to some conferences a few years ago and even speaking at a conference and Kevin Tedeschi who’s the, you know, the head guy at the Aerie now and wrote all the books on so he’s kind of a friend now too. So it’s so interesting and

yeah, it was it was all kinds of things.

Or they you know, I mean, sometimes it was healing some obscure things like fear of, like fears and aliens and you know like I remember with Gregg Braden, I’ve healed a big piece of that, you know?

Unknown Speaker 21:18
Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, that

Anna Champagne 21:21
was interesting. Um, it was funny because I was one of the last people at his you know, the workshop for that day and we were at this conference center or somewhere and I was like in a dorm and I remember we were talking it was years ago you know, decades ago when you know, he’s gone through different things that he’s taught Sure. And some of it was bringing up like so much fear about you know, the some of the alien you know energies and and they’re all frequency now they’re all different vibrations so and then my my roommate didn’t show up so like all night I’m like, you know, all afraid this, you know, sheets up and I had to go deeper within and then and then through it. I just I really did heal it. And now I say, you know, the same aliens that are more than negative ones that, you know, maybe want to, you know harm or they’re just a lower vibration. Sure they can’t touch me anymore because it’s so that was just part of like the healing on the journey that I went through. So now you know and then there’s other ones like I heart, you know connect with the Pleiadians and then I do paintings that were pleading and writing so, so it was pretty diverse.

Brandon Handley 22:35
Interesting. I love that I love it. I love what you did there too with um, you know, translating harm into just recognizing that the third a lower vibration, right? It is not like I like that too. Right? So that that’s interesting for sure. So you’ve been living this life fairly steeped in spirituality. All right. Yeah, and I can’t remember now already, if we talked about the beginning or not, but like, integrating Yeah, we started at the beginning, but like integrating all the whole has certainly been a challenge for me. You know, trying to say, Oh, this is this is my spiritual self. This is what I do when I’m being spiritual. And this is what I do and, you know, all these other spaces. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, practical spiritual integration? Well, so, you know, what’s that mean to you? If I say something I asked you that.

Anna Champagne 23:31
Yeah. Well, that’s what I really love teaching and helping people with, you know, and I’m still going through it myself. I’m constantly hitting things that come up for me and then having, you know, using different tools to heal like some of the emotional patterns and things like that. But, um, I think it’s just, I think one of the biggest thing is really healing being present to what comes up and not judging it. So You know, and that’s what I learned especially from Katie you know, Byron Katie, you know, you take those judgments you take that anger you take that fear, you know, whatever it is and and then you investigate and then you can you know, go deeper and especially, you know when you you see it’s just kind of a projection to like wearing me like I’m angry at that person but really, where’s that pattern in me and then when you so so if you keep bringing it back to yourself in a gentle way because you never want to be hard on yourselves because like I know that pattern and right so it’s, it’s it’s just and I have seen you you know, I watched your you know, your dad podcast thing or you know, whatever that was.

And even if you I mean, and I don’t know you so well, you know, but

just the love that and just the the way you were showing up with your son I mean, I’m getting emotional because I was sent to and I was daughter but It touched me because you’re just present. And you’re asking him his experience. And then you’re sweeping in a little, you know, teaching to be a good person or to

just just weaving in those nuggets of goodness,

Brandon Handley 25:16
you try, right? Well, you know, listen in here, you know, for what it’s worth. You know, my mom was a, you know, so I was born in San Francisco in the late 70s. So, that’s an indicator of where I came from. I always taught like, the awareness always taught, like these kind of life lessons. And they were definitely seeds, right, because they were, they were falling on fallow ground or whatever, whatever. And it wasn’t until later, when they all just kind of sprouted and honestly, when I talked about going through that experience, kind of the awakening experience, it was like all at the same time, like everything she was talking about, just like, there it is. And so that’s all you know, I feel like I can try and do with the kids right on my boys and just have those conversations. Not force it on them, but give them those seeds. Right. And, you know, if it’s some I feel like at some point in their lives, though, they’ll turn around and dust off will sprout up

Anna Champagne 26:12
exactly like with my son, he would, you know, like roll his eyes like I just want to be normal know, he’s at times you know cutting out these little swords and you know things of and you know connecting with you know, he’ll deny a lot of it now but you know, but he’s such a good person you know, this really is so

Brandon Handley 26:33
well i think what we were saying earlier it’s everyone’s on their own path, right? I don’t I mean, I don’t think I have a Bible or have ever read more than the six pages in a Bible. But we can really try and do is be good shepherds, right of these souls or whatever. Um, but this is about you. So we’re back to you now. And so what would be like a couple tools I love you gave kind of the one example is like look for that within yourself, right that’s causing that or is a part of you? Right? What what, where’s that irritation that’s party? You know, I saw I saw a little line today that I really like to as it relates to emotions. I’d love to hear your feedback on this is there’s emotional control. Right, which is I think a very Western actually I think every culture has emotional control, right? versus emotional expression. Mm hmm. How would you differentiate those two things because I feel like you would have a good, good way to do that.

Anna Champagne 27:33
I call it really a path of emotional mastery. Hmm. Because it’s not just trying to control how you’re feeling because the pattern will come up, you know, it’ll just keep coming up until we deal with things. And now you know, globally where we’ve had an experience of something big happening globally, where we’re going you know, sheltering in place home, you know, a lot of fear a lot of uncertainty on These kind of things, and I still just see it as, like the greatest gift because we can’t bring in what I call a golden age without bringing to light those patterns. So it’s not just about expression, you know, I think, you know, because we’re always creating and we’re always expressing whether it’s expressing love or expressing anger, you know, or sadness, you know, it’s expression but it’s when it when we feel like that underlying like, we call it kind of miss qualified pattern. So like, say we haven’t, oh, like, like, you know, say we have an experience and it’s, you know, really overwhelming or traumatic or anything. And things get and we might not even know how to process it at the moment or deal with it. And then and but then it starts coloring everything we do in life. And then, but usually we can tell by how we’re feeling, you know, if we’re having Are were not so happy, that’s usually an indicator how we’re feeling and work with thing.

Brandon Handley 29:07
And that kind of addresses the, again expression versus control, like, because we were talking earlier too about, you know, locating that feeling, right? The anger or the frustration if we go to suppress that or redirect it, is that really healing it or addressing it? Right and and i think that that’s, personally that’s what I’ve done to try to emotionally master or control right redirect. But I feel like there’s would be a another way to express that because I don’t want to hold on to that energy like that. Right. So

Unknown Speaker 29:47
what would you say there?

Anna Champagne 29:50
You can tell by when you say go back to a memory that was really painful. And you know, so you did And this is where I say the violet ray you know of trance transformation transmutation, you know, taking that same God energy as I talked about, and then transmuting it like freeing up the, you know, whatever traumatic emotions are there, and then it’s kind of at the core, and then we can recollect it or we can use it for what we want. And it really comes back to our intention to what we really want to create in our life. Yeah, so the stronger our positive intentions, those things will just naturally come up. And if it just ends, they’ll just keep coming up until we like pay attention or we might get sick or, you know, just just so unhappy or whatever it is. So, but, but there’s also a way to do it. It’s good to just start being aware of what you’re feeling or how you’re feeling in your body. But another way to do it, too, is to keep focusing on the higher vibrational states or what you do want to create because that’ll just automatically start in training up. It’s just entrainment, you know, physics of training that lower vibrational state into that higher vibrational state. And that’s kind of what I call a lot of the path of beauty or even, you know, working with those divine qualities. You can just and actually, that’s another tool to you know, you can have a state and then do affirmations and crease, things like that you can actually raise the vibration of that pattern.

Brandon Handley 31:32
I like that. I like that.

Unknown Speaker 31:34
I feel like

Unknown Speaker 31:38
you know,

Brandon Handley 31:40
raising your vibrational state through affirmations, and gratitude. I think a lot of people look at that as purely mental exercise. What do you say to that?

Anna Champagne 31:56
It’s not like we’re using our mind because we’re choosing to and it’s what we’re giving power to. So if we’re saying you know, like I am the presence or I am you know, whatever we want to put after saying I am affirmation You know, there’s you know, with the law of attraction, all that kind of stuff if you’re if you’re saying something that you don’t believe then that’ll even cause more resistance. You know, I’m a millionaire and you’re you know, you got three cents in your bank account Well, that’s gonna it’s not gonna resonate, but if you can get in touch with the energy of it, you know, like it’s it’s feeling into it really. I think more so but but you do use your mind and your thoughts

Brandon Handley 32:43
talking to more about feeling into it, though.

Anna Champagne 32:51
I think it comes down to getting more harmonious no matter you know what color you’re using, or what Whatever tool you’re using, if you’re still agitated, then it’s not really working. So if you can feel more harmonious, calm, you know, the breath is a really important thing to kind of stop that fight or flight, you know, just using the breath, and then just start feeling more calm. Then, then when you say, when you say an affirmation or things something or, um, or want to access, you know, just want to just x more peacefulness or happiness or, you know, whatever it is it you’ll just, it’ll, you’ll feel it. But you’re not going to feel it if you’re all agitated, you know. And so, you know, it’s like, it’s like the analogy of, you know, the parent who’s got the baby, and they’re just like, just come down Baby, you know, like they’re, you know, I never can understand that. You know, But But I learned that you know, years ago so that’s where we always taught the parents first, you know, read to become, you know, if you’re lying with your child at night, you know, rubbing their backs as you’re breathing. Because if you’re all you know, stressful, they’re going to feel it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 34:19
One of the coolest feelings to write when you’re going to sleep but I missed I missed the miss my kids you know when they’re just growing up you can just kind of fall asleep with them on your chest right? Yeah, yeah, love that. Love that miss it. Like where they are now though. It’s okay. So, you know, are you still traveling with your art shows? Are you still doing that? Like?

Anna Champagne 34:42
Nobody shows anymore? Sometimes by invitation, you know, a few things, but mostly I’m switching over online. Okay. And teaching courses online and things like that.

Brandon Handley 34:54
Right? When you were out of curiosity, right. So just for anybody that’s kind of interested in The type of work that you’re doing and would be thinking about doing it themselves. How would they kind of get involved in the community that you were involved with? With the art shows and textiles?

Anna Champagne 35:14
Well, it’s really an art. I mean, it’s decades of lifetimes Actually, I’ve done this in many lifetimes. It’s, you know, um, it’s going with what interests you, too, you know, I mean, mostly, I’m selling the silks that they’re using, you know, in their meditations or just everyday wear or even you know, you know, that’s why I sell a lot to men as well as women you know, to wear because they carry that tangible vibration. So it makes it easier to access those states and things. But, you know, sometimes I have taught some of the, you know, I used to teach weaving I used to teach shabari and which is a dyeing technique. You know, I do love, you know, doing a lot of that stuff. But, you know, an easy way is just watercolor paints or you know, even even coloring on dollars, you know, that can just get you in a, you know, working with color and with pencils or markers or things like that, or, or just even watercolor, you know, it doesn’t even have to be a form. It could just be working with the paint like that if you’re talking about doing something that’s more artistic or

if that’s what you’re kind of asking.

Brandon Handley 36:33
That’s definitely one part right kind of getting into the art itself, but the shows right? I’m sure you invited to him because you were great at what you were doing. But like also, if somebody else was like, what types of shows were you featured in so that somebody if they saw them, they’d be able to go and kind of find out more of themselves?

Anna Champagne 36:52
The shows, I mean, I was in the high end crashes when I first got out of college and was, you know, doing those handpainted handball Then Yeah. And then I had galleries around the country. And then when I got into still just painting on silks and doing like transformational breath work and being a trainer, then I was in like New York and Boston. I’m from New England. So I would do like Whole Health, new life, body mind spirit, you know, a lot of those kind of shows.

Brandon Handley 37:20
Okay. I’ve never heard of those shows before. So I mean, that’s interesting. Yeah. And

Anna Champagne 37:24
it’s still go on, um, you know, some of them anyway.

Brandon Handley 37:28
Yeah. That’s interesting, too. I mean, I guess a New England part of, you know, what was the new age?

Unknown Speaker 37:35
birthing spot, right. I mean, am I wrong?

Anna Champagne 37:39
I don’t know. I think California’s where you grew up is pretty cool. I mean,

Brandon Handley 37:45
I think I think that, you know, I think of I’m trying to think of who was the press, you know, the press company that came out with the kind of the New Age movement, right, um,

Anna Champagne 37:57
dress or no,

Brandon Handley 37:59
I can’t really remember off the top of my head, but it’s just interesting to see that there’s still a vibrant spiritual community from there, right in that space. So I think that that’s pretty interesting. You did. So you mentioned you mentioned your course and your shops. I wanted to bring that up too. So talk to us a little bit about the the course offering that you have right now online.

Anna Champagne 38:20
Yeah, it’s an eight week online course it’s called color healing for a vibrant abundant life seven steps to heal what’s holding you back and increase your flow of abundance and that’s those kind of seven spiritual colors, you know, those rays and you actually get a set of seven, you know, solid color sticks with it, it needs you know, once a week for eight weeks, you know, an online student class and then you have a portal with the meditations, affirmations, you know, the class content you know, more you know, all of it, but it’s really meant to be for busy people. You know, everyone’s really busy in life and you don’t i don’t want to make this Like this heavy like something they just not do or else feel so overwhelmed. So that’s what’s cool about you know, with with the silks because you just wear them you know through the week like each week we’re learning about one color. So like for example like the solid color you know we’ve got the golden yellow or you know pink or you know the blues violets you know these solid colors, and you wear them during class and wear them during your meditations and the meditations tend to be seven to nine minutes maybe and just get you in touch with the divine qualities even archangels but more of the divine qualities of the color and just get you and then wearing them. It helps you know to tangibly feel so it’s because there’s silk has the highest vibration of fiber. The very pure colors are frequencies and you know, if you think White is like all colors, you know, of light You know, ones additive and subtractive whether it’s you know, crayons, or paints versus light, and then, you know, it’s easy to think, you know, the prism and the rainbow, you know, it’s broken up in those frequencies. Sure. So, um, yeah, so it’s, it’s really, it’s, it’s fun and it’s, it’s just a easy so going back to that, so the soaks have that highest vibration, and then the pure colors, those frequencies and then the energies that I’m kind of praying in or attending in. So that’s what makes them where you can actually feel the energy. So it’s an added tool to be able to wear them and start feeling the energies as you’re as you’re learning them

Brandon Handley 40:50
about them. I mean, I love that right? Because I can I can feel the application right? You know, I can I can I can sense I get a good sense of have kind of how you would direct that. And I feel like that would be, that would be like it’s beneficial, right? Anytime he’s been, I think consciously tending to your vibrations. that’s beneficial. So it sounds to me like that’s kind of what you’re doing is teaching people how to pay attention to their vibrations, right at what levels and then being able to associate them with specific colors, right, so that they can really just kind of hone in and have an anchor point.

Anna Champagne 41:29
Right. So like, even with the emotion code, say we identify a trapped emotion, say it’s grief. And it happened when you were 13. You know, and then, you know, we get shifted, but then you know, we’ll put like a soft pink silk over and that’ll like raise the vibration. So it’s still really key for me to be healing those emotional patterns that are kind of blocking that flow of energy.

Brandon Handley 41:52
So would you classify this more of a healing class? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I mean, look, that’s great. Yeah. I mean I love it because it might just be a guy thing right? Or you know could just be a me thing I’ve never really kind of addressed this one but like you know we were taught to like you know, you fall down you dust off and you keep on going forward you know you don’t really address the specific pains you just move forward you don’t address the specific moments that cause you to no question 90% of your life you just keep moving forward right but if you do take a little bit of time and and heal those moments

Anna Champagne 42:33
and you know, a lot of men do this, you know, as a spiritual path to I mean, a lot of men do have my silks too because they wear them for meditation. Tell me what are some favorite main colors? I mean,

Brandon Handley 42:41
other than blue, what are some what are some what are some main colors?

Anna Champagne 42:45
Some are the those turquoise is in blues and violets some sometimes, you know more the emerald green, but actually one of my first soaps that I made like decades ago when I’m My first shows ever did with them. There was this just big guy you know and he he got the most feminine so good made to that point with yell, you know pinks and yellows and actually I have a great story about that I was at a show one time, and a guy came and usually like I do have like these, um, you know, you might be able to see they have a pattern woven in there to card. And whereas like the this is just a sharp use, it’s like smooth. So, you know, mostly guys tend to like the sharp use a smoother one, you know, because these can be a little more feminine. But there was a guy that he bought one that was in like a rose pain to fuchsia to a little violet, maybe maybe a little blue, and it was in a de card. And it was a very kind of, you know, society.

Unknown Speaker 43:55
You weren’t expecting him to pick it up.

Anna Champagne 43:58
Yeah, but once you put it out And he had lost like, the love of his life. He lost his wife not too long before that, and he started to feel the energy. Right. And it started to heal with that pink. So he hung around the booth a lot and you know, just shared about his wife and you know, started the healing. But others, you know, like, I have a friend that commissioned some of the biggest like, meditation blankets, you know, they’re huge. Um, and I do a half version that’s like a meditation shawl. And this friend has a spiritual path and master and he meditates you know, many hours a day and he calls it like an energetic cocoon because that’s another thing I didn’t mention. It actually silk energetically insulates you too. And when you meditate in you know, certain colors. So, you know, it’s, um, I was interviewed the other day and the guy was all wearing his pink shirt and stuff. So you know, it’s time for the guys to be able to flame boy Right.

Brandon Handley 45:00
Yeah, look, look, look, I mean, everybody can wear some colors and enjoy for sure. So, in your class, I’m just gonna you talk about like intentions, positive qualities and emotions. You’ve got some guided journaling, meditations, affirmations, you know, what types of answers, I’m just gonna kind of what types of meditations Could I look at in that class.

Anna Champagne 45:23
They’re, like I was saying there, they tend to be seven to nine minutes, I keep them fairly short, you know, growing into more of the meditations, but they’re just meant to, um, interest introduce you to the colors, the qualities just kind of get in, and then they bring in some of the affirmations that you can use so it’s, it’s kind of like a guided one to educate you. And so that you can use it as a tool. So you know, something happens and you need to just use a certain color call us or an angel or whatever it is. You kind of have those tools and another and another, like, practical way to it doesn’t have to be all about the silks although that is, you know, a big part of what I do Sure, like the Emerald Ray, it’s all like think nature, you know, think the Verdun greens and, you know, it’s getting big now doing earthing and you know, just

Brandon Handley 46:19
tell me about everything. I have no idea.

Anna Champagne 46:21
Oh, that’s a great thing for people to know about, you know, I mean, think back on wood, barefoot as kids and running around in the summer, I mean, sure, you know, but beyond that, they’ve they’ve actually found that by connecting with the resonance of the earth, hmm, that it calms our nervous system and it decreases inflammation and does a lot of things like that. So I mean, they even have earthing mats and blankets and things you can have with, you know, your

Brandon Handley 46:50
did see an earthing mat, right. So I was kind of curious about that, but I hadn’t hadn’t really linked it to I wasn’t sure what the whole thing was. I hadn’t gone too far into it. So the meditation They are, you know, to, to kind of impress upon the mind and give you, you know, pause the color modalities, right, tie that in with some affirmations. And I’m assuming the intentions kind of pull that all together as well.

Anna Champagne 47:19
Yeah, and and, you know, like, white white rays associated with like intentions, like, you know, white is like all the colors so it’s all possibilities and all potential. So think of like when we have an intention where we’re impressing into that purity of just all possibilities. I love it also clarity, you know, because a lot of times we need clarity to be able to have an intention. We have to

Brandon Handley 47:48
know clarity you listen, I mean, and that I think that’s one of the challenges, right? You can’t see two pictures at the same time, right? You can’t You can’t you know, you can’t so you can’t hold two pictures in your in your mind. Expect to clear outcome. Fair. Right. Guided journaling. I’ve never heard of doing guided journaling before. So, you know, what we get what we get in that?

Anna Champagne 48:11
Oh, I think it’s, it’s just a process of getting, you know, things might start coming up and you want to just write about it just as you would journaling when I asked some questions, you know, or how do you feel about certain colors? Or how do you feel about the certain emotions, you know, because that’s the other thing. Say you have fascination, then an antidote to get motivation is like glue, say, okay, so you can, you know, just so like one one way of through that healing journey, because you know, it’s it’s good to be able to, you know, write down things if people choose to and process how they’re feeling and what’s coming up or, or what they’re experiencing, you know, and also to remember, not just what’s coming up, like maybe some past things But also what they’re experiencing because as we know, when we write it down, you know, a lot of times, especially those spiritual highs or things like that, it’s like a dream, we kind of can forget about it, you know, so, so it’s just guiding people with questions and things to you know, use how they want really, but like one student, she, when she got her set of silks there was Ruby was one of the colors and it actually made her angry, it agitated her, you know, because it was a kind of a red but it has more violet in it. And then in her journey of, you know, healing and growing and all that and by the end, she was wanting to find a color for her new office. And she ended up painting it this Ruby like luckily it was just one wall because that could be a lot, you know, sure in all the walls but but you know, there again, you know, when she was putting out there They’re to our group and things. You know, in our Facebook group, it’s like, What color? What color? Do you think I should you know, and always, I never want to tell someone, I want them to find it themselves. And it surprised me. And by the end, Ruby was so empowering for her. And she had come through so much to be able to speak our truth and heal some things and be empowered. And that’s part of the Ruby quality to have this, like this laser beam of God. You know, that just those patterns that we can get stuck in, but then when we heal it, it’s really empowering. So

Brandon Handley 50:34
I love that. I love that. Absolutely. And then and then, like you said, two archangels are a big part of of everything that you do, but they’re also part of the class that you teach. Right?

Anna Champagne 50:48
Yeah. And I’ve been surprised because people, a lot of people don’t know too much about the angels, angels, and they’ve really been loving hearing about them and learning and using them. So

So that’s been the feedback so far.

Brandon Handley 51:02
I mean, I love I love that you’re doing that. And just curious why you’re surprised by

Unknown Speaker 51:11
that there.

Anna Champagne 51:14
I don’t know, I guess because I just have lived with them so long that I just, you know, sometimes we take it for granted what we do know and things like that and, and a lot of the people I know, know of them, but, uh, yeah, I guess I’ve just been happy that they’ve really because I never want to push any like anything on anybody I want to, you know, it’s part of the course. It’s, it’s, at first I wasn’t sure how much it was going to be part of it. But then it’s like, it’s just so tied in, you know, with those divine qualities and, and the way that archangels work is you know, so you call to them for more compassion or more empowerment or motivation or killing truth. You know, abundance. They literally that’s what their job is that they resonate at that specific frequency of that divine quality. And then they literally when they’re asked to come because they have to be asked, they’ll come and really stand right in your energy field and reinforce that pattern until you can kind of hold it for yourself. So they’re really helpful.

Unknown Speaker 52:30
I love it. No.

Unknown Speaker 52:33
And I think that you hit on one of the things there. I know for me,

Brandon Handley 52:39
I’m so used to my own language, right? I’m so used to what I speak, and I’m surrounded by people that, you know, it’s not an echo chamber, but they understand me, right? It’s like, Oh, well, you know, there’s like, 20 of us here and all 20 of us know the same thing. So pretty sure everybody knows that. We tend to forget just how long it took us to get to this place right away. And then you know, like today, right? You’re telling me about these. I’m taking notes. I’m like angels and you know, Archangel books, what would be what would be, you know? And since I’m saying that will be a book where somebody could kind of understand a little bit more about archangels and what you’re talking about, they’re calling them and seeing that vibration or feeling that vibration,

Anna Champagne 53:22
do you have anything I’m working on the color healing book. Not withstanding, actually, this this book of the angels of love and light. My friend, Mario’s Michael George wrote, or painted all the paintings and I actually got permission from him to use the images in my course and in my lectures and things nice. So on his website, which is my reuse, fine art calm, you can actually download for free you know, if you sign up for his email list, but he’s very generous. You can actually download the book And I, you know, offered to my students, I tell them about it. And I think one of them said that it didn’t come with the color photograph. So then you know, he has those that you can buy of these amazing artworks that he does. So that that’s, that’s a great book. Because there’s, you know, there’s different ones out there and they might have you know, different energies that they’re, they’re different, you know, there’s different systems, there’s different energy, so it’s good to just kind of feel it out. Because if something doesn’t feel right, with any book that you go to, there’s just something that doesn’t feel right. No, that that’s just there’s something in it that maybe isn’t right for you. So

Brandon Handley 54:43
that’s fair. So you know, but there are books out there then that if somebody were to be interested in what you’re talking about, I could definitely talk to it and you know, if they continue to be interested in the archangels and the colors and you know, they should head on over to your course. While we go ahead and mentioned your wedding go, they go to the course and where’s they gonna find you to connect with you and other places?

Anna Champagne 55:10
Yep. Well, one of my websites is a path of beauty.com. And that has my blog. And so we talked about color and, and you know, nature and flowers are a big part of it too, you know, because there is such an energy and there’s actually in shamanism you know, the Devas and all of the plants and the flowers are really a four kind of an angel, you know? So, um, so I spent a lot of time there. And so yeah, so I take photographs, and that’s just another one of my joys of what I do. And that has a lot of the Healing Sessions different things and then on a champagne soaks calm is where you can find a lot more of my soaks. And then right now, to find out about the core It’s on a champagne soaks.com slash color dash healing dash course

Brandon Handley 56:10
awesome thank you and they can find you on Facebook and oh yeah so you’re on all the social media and a champion

Anna Champagne 56:18
some more than others but you know what we all have to find our way

Brandon Handley 56:22
Sure. Sure. And your site I think is pat the beauty or the is that your garden I see a lot of flower pictures of that

Anna Champagne 56:31
my travels because I travel all over everywhere I go I

you know, visit beautiful gardens if they’re not my own,

Brandon Handley 56:39
know that they’re, they’re beautiful. They are beautiful, beautiful flowers and beautiful pictures on there. So thanks for sharing those with us as well. Is there anything else that you think that we should hit on that maybe we didn’t today um

Anna Champagne 56:53
just to just to be gentle with yourself, you know, with ourselves with all you know me too, because I can Be hard of myself to, and, and just keep healing so that you can find the love and respect for others because, you know, a lot of things are coming up in the world that are very divided. And, you know, this and that and, and, you know, it’s just time that we heal what’s causing the discord in the separation. And you know, and the beauty of it too is we’re all individual presences. So it’s not ever going to be like boring or we’re all going to be the same because that’s impossible. You know, it’s like a flowers in a garden. So, so, um, and that’s what I call a path of beauty just just living from that, you know, beautiful place.

Brandon Handley 57:47
Sure. You mentioned you know, before we go here, you mentioned a hand plants is kind of crazy right now. If you could take one silk color and wrap it all up which color would we what color How would we heal the planet with today?

Anna Champagne 58:01
Oh boy, I could go through

Well, it needs a lot of violet for that transforming, you know, transmuting those patterns but Emerald is very soothing and very healing So, and then always the pink Ray, you know is is that unconditional love? Do you want to have some yellow in there too for that wisdom? I love and of course blue. You can’t do it without Archangel Michael protecting us all in our path. So for Sorry,

Brandon Handley 58:36
I couldn’t say one. can’t just pick one. I get it. It’s okay. It’s okay. The world needs them. All right. So, Anna, thank you, Ana. Ana, thank you so much for hanging out with me today and sharing your story and sharing some really great insights and practical applications. I really appreciate it.

Anna Champagne 58:54
Well, thank you so much. I really enjoyed spending time with you and I really appreciate it and Yeah

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