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Zane Landin, Founder and Chief Executive Officer of PositiveVibes Magazine sought to provide a space for people having a hard time dealing with mental health problems, experiencing being lonely, and feeling overwhelmed by the pandemic. Zane is currently an undergraduate at Cal Poly Pomona in California. Spring of 2020, he was taking a copy-editing class. Their final assignment was to design their own publication. Zane decided that a magazine dedicated to positivity would be best suited during the pandemic. Zane was inspired by the message and decided to embrace the idea. The magazine began with a small Instagram account in late May to now an international, digital magazine reaching thousands of people looking for hope during these times. The digital magazine has interviewed artists, psychics, mediums, yoga experts, models, chefs, etc. They believe in empowering and sharing powerful storytelling. They want to share the hidden gems in society.

Connect with Zane over at https://positivevibesmag.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
Hey, there’s Spiritual Dope I am here today with Zane Landin. He is the founder and chief executive officer of positive vibes magazine, where he sought to provide a space for people having a hard time dealing with mental health problems experiencing being lonely and feeling overwhelmed by the pandemic. Zayn is currently an undergraduate at Cal Poly Pomona in California spring of 2020. He was taking a copy editing class, and their final assignment was to develop their own publication, Zane decided that a publication dedicated to positivity would be best suited during a pandemic. He was inspired by the message and decided to embrace the idea the mag magazine became a small Instagram began with a small Instagram account late May to now international digital magazine reaching 1000s of people looking to for hope during these times, the digital magazine has interviewed artists, psychics, mediums, yoga experts, models, chefs, etc. And you believe in empowering and sharing powerful storytelling. You want to share the hidden gems and societies Zane, thanks for stopping by today. How you doing?

Zane Landin 1:09
Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. Um, yeah, it’s great to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:14
So we connected, I believe we connected just kind of doing a little bit of back and forth outreach through Instagram. And we had some good conversations and just decided to try and have you on the podcast. And I’m glad that, you know, we, jeez, I think it’s been probably about eight months, I think since we first connected Yeah. So lots lots going on pandemic hopefully coming out of its of its, whatever it’s doing. And here we go, we can get into it. So I usually like to start these off with the whole idea that we you myself are just kind of conduits for universal energy, right? We’re just here to like Express, kind of whatever we were sent here for, had one guy who was on really enjoyed what he said to he’s like, or he would say, it’s earth, not our Earth, our home. It’s our mission. Right? That was his expression. But you know, the idea is that whatever comes through you today is going to be for our listener on the other end, and today’s age, and what is it that you feel like sources sending through you today?

Zane Landin 2:25
I feel the sources sending to me today would be, um, be grateful for what you have. And I think that something that we preach a lot, but we don’t practice ourselves. And that we’re always wanting more, especially in society that’s always about things and rewards. Sometimes it’s always nice to see that the rewards are, yourself and what you’re grounded in your family, things around you. Even just listening to what’s outside. There’s a book about, you know, how we don’t really listen, and we don’t really listen to the earth, or what it’s saying to us. And when you go outside, you’re always bombarded with all this noise, or traffic or everything. When you when you kind of stop, you can really hear everything, and you feel like at one, and you feel like that stillness. And so I think that really kind of goes into what I’m trying to say about like gratitude, and just being grateful for everything you have. And I understand that people are in really, really hard situations. But I think like finding that one thing that keeps you going and one thing that’s positive, I think hopefully can really help you a lot. I hope all that makes sense.

Brandon Handley 3:33
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it’s a, there’s this constant drive, I think that society has put on to us to just go out there, get and then get go get more, more and more. Right. Alright, so you’ve gotten this thing. Congratulations, you’re not done yet. Now you got to go collect the, you know, like, Pokemon, gotta get them all right. And if you don’t get them all, then then you know, something’s missing from your collection, your life’s not complete. Whereas a little bit of what you’re saying here is, is Hey, like, be grateful for the things that you’ve got take a moment, which is even just just yourself, you’re saying, right, like, just be grateful for you. I always talk about the whole idea of we have one in 400 trillion chances of being born. And wow, what are the odds, man, that’s, uh, you know, so be grateful that you have like this chance of even just showing up and participating in this world with us today.

Zane Landin 4:35
No, yeah. No, I definitely agree. And we even like shared something today on like our, the magazine’s Instagram about just celebrating the small victories that you have in your life. You know, like, especially when you see like success stories, you’re always like, Oh, they went from zero to 100. You just see the 100. We really don’t like to talk about this. Between the spectrum of zero to 100. Horse it’s in books and stuff, but like, I wish you could It really talks about how much they really struggled, especially when you see successful people, I don’t think love them just, well, I bet you there are some that have had things handed to them. But I think a lot of people have really had these powerful stories. And that kind of goes into the magazine, that’s what we want to share. You know, if someone is down in the dumps, or they’re really depressed, and they feel that they can’t amount to anything, I’m hearing someone who may even have a worse situation than them. Now they’re very successful. Seeing that I think, is really inspiring. And that’s kind of like what we want. That’s what we’re all about. That’s why we, that’s what we interview so many different people, because so many people come from different walks of life, of course, and like they have such such different, you know, inputs and different perspectives, I think that’s such a cool thing to see. And something we don’t see, you know, we kind of see the same type of people in the mainstream media. And so we always trying to like, find those diverse stories, you know, if it’s been a chef, or if it’s been something extraordinary, or if it’s just someone who is doing something in their local community, anything like that, it’s definitely tough to see. And it’s not really highlighted in the mainstream media. So that’s something i i try to challenge.

Brandon Handley 6:06
Hey, that’s pretty, pretty great that that you’re doing it. And I love that you’re doing it at a younger age, where you’re, you just kind of tell my wife a little bit about the story, just how you gravitated towards creating this magazine. And the thing it’s been, it’s been fairly successful for you. And the idea is that it’s kind of like you’ve never done it before. You just went ahead and did it, you opened yourself up to it, and you opened yourself up to do it in a positive way, just the way that you’re saying, right? Yeah. I would say that you’re doing it with care with kindness and consideration and compassion and all those things, right, like you said, with opening it to a diverse spectrum of people to be on and share their stories, mining for those gems, as you’re saying, and it’s just working for you, right? Like the universe is kind of opened up for you and accepted to Yeah, hey, you know, you want to do this. And since since you’ve never tried it before, right? You don’t know what you’re not supposed to do. And you’re just doing it in a way that’s, that is expressive of yourself, right? That that’s in alignment with who you are, instead of kind of going through this factory, of, here’s how it’s supposed to be, okay, you’ve met all the criteria, you’ve done all the right things, and congratulations, you’re a success. But that’s almost like a cookie cutter model. And you’re doing it without that cookie cutter model. And that’s what I think is really, for me exciting to see.

Zane Landin 7:48
Yeah, I mean, I, I was actually never really the biggest fan of magazines, either, because the ones I saw are always like the celebrity ones, which I was ever super interested in. So I was like, how would I even do something like this? And so I was like, You know what, I’ll just run it, like just an online thing. It’s a website, the contents there. And I love just putting out features. And that’s where it started. I didn’t like I said, I don’t know what I didn’t know. And I think that was better, I think cuz like, No, I just started like a new position. And they told me that, you know, look at the content on the website, and come at it from an objective standpoint. So it’s good that you’re here, because you’re like a member of the public. You know, I’m not biased. So I think actually helped. I didn’t know too much about the industry. So it wasn’t, I had to do things a certain way. So I think it’s actually better sometimes when you, like you say you don’t know anything. And you’re just coming in as like, just someone who’s ready to soak everything up. And that was like the whole point and kind of letting the universe guide you. And what’s really cool about this podcast, you know, was how I just happened to stumble upon you. You know, it’s so fascinating how like, I just was going through Instagrams going through rabbit holes. And then I, you know, I stumbled upon you, and then we just connected now that I think is great. And, again, what’s so interesting about when you start something or when you open yourself up, those experiences are never ever going to happen then. Because if I didn’t start it, I wasn’t ever going to meet you. Or half the people I have met through the magazine, half all of them basically, because I probably haven’t met any of them without it. And so I think what you’re saying is like, when you said before about just being present, I think like being open being open to like any opportunity. You know, I think it’s so exciting. Who you are now, and who you could be tomorrow was so different, but don’t be I wouldn’t be scared of it. I think it’s, it can be very exciting. As long as you keep living your life in a good positive way. And you’re a good person. I don’t know, it’s, I think it’ll be fine. I mean, I’m not gonna downplay when really hard things happen to people. I mean, I understand that but I mean, you know, if you have the feasibility and you have an idea, just go for it. I don’t know. I mean, I know that like the magazine didn’t didn’t take a lot of money. Like it wasn’t a lot of money to do this. I know that some people’s ideas are huge and have a lot of money. But I think just start off small you know, just you have the idea. Talk to someone who’s done it or you Even just start it and see where it goes. And so it’s weird how like, universe kind of, kind of like finagle its way in and like, you know, took me on a path I never thought I’d be on. So it’s really exciting. And I’m sure you can even speak on that too, with the podcast.

Brandon Handley 10:17
Well, yeah, no, for sure. It’s just like, it’s, I guess that that’s where, where my point of view really comes from is, is, you know, stepping into your one piece and doing it in a way that I thought it was supposed to be done with my first podcast. And then I was like, did a little bit of a shift, I did a second podcast, and it was a little bit more in alignment with who I was. And then finally, I kind of was like, I got to this one is basically kick the doors open, I was like, This is it, man, this is this isn’t aligned with who I am. And I’m not going to go search what everybody else is doing. And doing it in this kind of the same way. I’m not gonna leverage a bunch of like, scare tactics and like scarcity mindset stuff, you know, which is like, I know, it all works, you know, but it’s just not that doesn’t feel good, right? Doesn’t feel good to kind of put out there knowing that a lot of the marketing that’s being done as a psychological trick, really, right. And it’s like, well, that’s, you know, I feel like spider man in that sense, you know, with that kind of powerful force, you have to be used responsibly. And I’ve, you know, so let’s talk a little bit about to like, you know, how, how have you gone about? You know, let’s talk a little bit about positive vibes magazine, what, you know, what can somebody expect to find when they go there? And you mentioned a few of the different types of people like medium psychics to chefs on there, let’s talk about what’s criteria. And some of the people that have blown your mind that you’d that weren’t anything like you would expect them to be?

Zane Landin 11:55
Well, well, I feel like when you when you, you know, go into the website, and just, I would just say, you know, you know, definitely we are content with an open mind, because, again, they’re very different perspectives. I think it’s so close when you go on the website, I know that there’s like a theme, like we talked about mental health, and that is the theme. That was like the inspiration behind it. But it’s, it’s definitely gone into so many different places that it’s honestly the theme anymore. It’s just about spreading positivity. And we try to always ask questions about mental health, but sometimes it just doesn’t come up. You know, sometimes the natural conversation doesn’t just go that way. And so I think what you’re going to see is, you know, stories of positive transformations, inspiration, people who have really experienced some really hard stuff. I mean, I remember we interviewed a celebrity stylist, and, you know, she’s just doing her thing with fashion. And then, and then bringing the story cuz I didn’t write it when my writers wrote interviewed her, she was like, part of, you know, previously part of gangs. And so for her to come out of that, and transform yourself. And then one of the most meaningful conversations I have was with a medium, and interview, which is so powerful because of what she’s experienced. And we really talked about mental health, because she actually talked about suicide a lot. And, you know, the stuff that she had to go through with her family and her son, there’s a lot of different things. I just feel it from people, like when I do these interviews, I feel the energy from them. I feel, you know, I sometimes sometimes it’s more than others, but I definitely can experience like, I feel their pain. And that’s where I feel like I even I even learned the most, you know, like, I remember, I remember in school right now, we have to do a lot of reading, but I’m like, I wish I could just interview someone, like interview an expert for an hour, because that would be where I would learn the most. So I have learned so much from these people. Because, again, so many different walks of life, and they each hold such different like philosophies and things they say to themselves and mantras and how they navigate the world. Some of them have such self doubts before and still and then some people have the most amazing confidence. And it’s just so different. And I love how they all just make it work. You know, it’s their journey, their truth and I love just amplifying that

Brandon Handley 14:16
for sure, I think one of the one of the coolest things is being able to amplify it right you’ve got the power of the internet right there at your fingertips and anything that you send out there’s it has the has the true capability of being able to hit like I don’t know what billions of people for right like, if you you could hit everybody with your voice with their magazine, you have the potential to hit billions of people where else can you do that? I mean, how else could you amplify anything like that? So I think that’s pretty amazing.

Zane Landin 14:51
Ya know what I love about you know, I wasn’t there when it was my desk but what I do love about you know, nowadays is that media so democratised to the point where like, you can get content from anywhere, not like before, or like I feel like content and like, stuff that was available was stuff that was coming from LA Times, or these big newspapers or these big television shows. But now you see, like all these types of people having television shows, you have all these people doing streaming, I’ve always been doing podcasts. And so it’s like, it’s great that people can bring value to others. And people can like create and build their own communities. And in a good way, and they can foster those communities, and they just create something special. I just love that technology and social media and all these different things have changed that

Brandon Handley 15:40
he has no longer, you know, the three stations as a way back in the day, and anybody’s invited to participate, anybody’s invited to create their audience, anybody’s invited to share what’s on their mind. And through all the different mediums, you got the podcasts, you’ve got video, in writing blogs, I mean, any way that you feel like you need to express yourself, it can be done. And that’s I love that that’s what you’re doing to you’re not only expressing yourself, you’re bringing other people on to express themselves. And you built a true community platform. What, uh, you know, what some of the feedback during COVID that you’ve heard from creating this platform? Are you having the positive impact that you’d expected to have? Or you want to have? What’s some of the stuff that people are saying back to you?

Zane Landin 16:33
Here’s the thing. I I don’t know, I don’t I don’t see the impact myself. That’s the thing. Like I don’t, um, I’ll have people say they, they read something, and they loved it. But it wasn’t the amount I thought they were. But then I’ll have some people I interview. And then we’ll connect again, months later, they said, You have no idea how much this has impacted me. And the people who actually read my story. And they read more. So I don’t actually know, which I think is great. Because when I do hear it, I’m like, Okay, wow, we’re actually doing something right. And I remember I remember, I’m, I remember to hold on to those conversations. And because it is hard, it is kind of hard to just kind of go to, you know, a platform and just say this was so great. I think that’s hard for some people. It’s hard for me, like if I mean, you know, people I watch content I read. I don’t really say I love it. Like I don’t go on and comment that I know that sounds really weird. But I just kind of don’t I just appreciate it for it is so you know, I don’t get the comments. But no, when I do get some, it’s always so great. Because like my whole thing is about if I can just really if I if I could impact well, it’s not really me. But if the people in the magazine could inspire that one person and change their entire life, that’s where I think is the most worth it. And I think the people who are most impacted, you probably never hear about them. I think that’s great, because I don’t, I don’t need to hear about them. You know, as long as they’re doing as long as they’re taking away from the magazine, or the stuff he put on social media. That’s all that’s important to me. So I may never know.

Brandon Handley 18:02
And I think that that’s okay. It’s it’s really kind of like a double edged sword. I think we all like to get you definitely like to get validated, right? You’d like to hear that, you know, something’s working out like alright, that’s fantastic. And just like you said, I’m doing we’re doing something, right. So it’s good. It’s great to hear some of those stories. But it’s also really great to hear that you’re not attached to that specific outcome to have to continue to move forward. Right for You. Sounds like the momentum and the driver is really kind of internal. And not necessarily external.

Zane Landin 18:38
Yeah, no, yeah, I just I just, you know, they always say you’re supposed to remind yourself of your why. And so I kind of constantly do sometimes I feel like it’s, Oh, I’m so busy. I can’t do this right now. Or am I okay, no, I need to buckle down and do this. Because the why was, you know, to help people who are experiencing loss and just rough times during the pandemic. I know, we’re like in this weird phase of pandemic and not pandemic, even though we kind of still are, but it doesn’t matter at this point. Because even though that was inspiration, there’s always hard times going on and there’s always inspiration happening. So magazine one stop after the pandemic, that will just be why that will be like our, our, like, historic moment of why we started it, and always kind of remember it. But it is really interesting how it started from the pandemic. And we’re kind of going into this place where it’s, it’s not the pandemic as much as it was before. And it’s, it’s kind of interesting to actually go out and tell people what the magazine was like before it was like, just online, everything was online. The world was online. So now when I go around, I tell people, it’s pretty interesting, you know, but people have to stay. So it is really exciting. The like kind of like transition phase we’re in.

Brandon Handley 19:54
Yeah, we’re definitely in a in an awkward kind of space in the world. And it’s It’s pretty neat to hear that you’re going to basically you’re continuing it. And it’s really a continuation of you initiated something. And this conflict is where you stuck your flag on the moon, basically, right? This is made was, Hey, guys, this is where we stuck our flag on the moon. And as where it started, this is the origin point. And as you continue forward, and you continue to have these positive impacts, you continue to have these great conversations coming on these articles that you continue to produce. You know, where do you see? Where do you see it going for you?

Zane Landin 20:39
Um, um, I’m not, I’m not sure I always, I always say questions like this, and I wish I had a better answer. But I it’s kind of like, you know, when we first started, and we kind of just let it go tickets path, I feel like I’m still doing that and seeing like, who reaches out who’s going to come like, what’s going to be the next experience, it’s uncertain. But it’s exciting. My only my only goal is I just want to keep growing. I want to share more stories, you know, in whatever way we can. We’re always trying new things. We did a podcast follow up, they haven’t done an episode for a while, but we’re always cranking out the written content. And then I occasionally will do like Instagram lives, I’ll interview someone, I think we’ve done like eight or 10 so far. So we try and provide different content. So it’s not just written because I know that not everyone is a fan of reading. And so some people again, right, we’re a fan of podcasts or Instagram Live, whatever it is, as long as we’re always, you know, regurgitating the positivity in people’s lives. That’s all that matters. That’s all something I know, you know, my dream, my dream really is to actually have like a positive news channel. And that’s it. That’s all I would want is, you know, I don’t know, one hour, two hour segment on just sharing the positive news. I know, I know, local news stations do that. I just wish there was a place where it’s just indicates that and it’s even talking about positive international news, not even just like United States news. You know, we’re talking about kids, different countries are all these things where people are really making huge impact, and actually having an interview with them or something like that, that would be so cool. That would be my dream fighter.

Brandon Handley 22:15
Now that that’d be awesome. For sure. I think that’s a great vision. And I think that as long as you kind of keep going in the same direction, and just keep keep it up, right? It’s a matter, it’s really just a matter of time, so long as you keep it going. What, what would you say is some of the stuff that like you’ve really big takeaways from so many interviews that you’ve had?

Zane Landin 22:41
So hard. Um, I think that I think that, like, I think one things I’ve learned the most, I feel like, it’s something I realized before but hearing all the stories all the time, it really kind of reinforces it is that, you know, just trivial, right? Because every single person has such a powerful story to tell everyone, you know, I mean, it’s amazing what some people go through and experience, they just don’t want to share it. And that’s fine. You know, but it’s like, sometimes when you talk to someone, and if it’s just a random stranger, and then you hear this amazing story for an hour, it’s like, that is amazing. And so that’s what I hear is that, you know, we’re, we’re all equals, yeah, we may be treated way differently in society. But you know, back to kind of, I said, the beginning, you know, grounded in our community, like we are, we’re all supposed to be here for each other, we’re all part of the Earth, we’re all we’re all sharing the space, we just don’t act like we are, um, you know, and so I think that, that’s something I would take away is that, and you don’t know what people have gone through. And so always trying to be empathetic as much as you can. And I’m saying apathetic, like, like, it’s a skill me kind of is, you know, I think you can practice I think you can really tune into it, you know, to really feel what people were experiencing. And so that’s like, the one main takeaway I would take from all these interviews is that everyone really has something to share. And I think that we should be encouraging that a lot more.

Brandon Handley 24:11
It’s the idea, I think, that you talked about the beginning was, people don’t listen so much. Right? Not a lot of listening. And even trying to take that time to listen to the other story. Right, I mean, engaging in somebody else’s life to hear their story. I mean, who’s got time for that? Right? So and you’re making some time for that, though. And I think that when you give the other people an opportunity to truly be heard, to share the truth of their story, and not always in this market T way, right, like, you know, well, what’s your brand, saying, yo Tito, what your brand is and you know who’s your ideal persona and all this other stuff and a lot of times while that’s good to have clarity on all that like, but Who are you? Right? And why should we talk? Right? With, uh, you know, what, what, how much? Um, you know, I think you’ve gone through some rough times recently, right? Having access to this platform for yourself and having an outlet. I mean, how’s that helped us up and beneficial?

Zane Landin 25:21
Oh, yeah. I’m so happy to ask this. Um, so yeah, I’ll, so in January, my mom passed away. And so it was a huge shock. None of us were expecting it. Which I think was better. Because I would have wanted to know if that makes any sense. And I wouldn’t, and I don’t think my mom would have wanted to know, I think it would have been too traumatic to know that she would be leaving us. That’s her perspective. I don’t think she did. But she would think I’m leaving my family. And I think some people have some guilt from that. And so it helps so much. Because even, I think even like, a couple of days after I was working on the magazine, I know, like, people were like, well, what, why am I working? It’s helpful. And what really helped me throughout the time was just being super busy. But I really had the time to reflect on the stories. And then even just going back to like, who I’ve talked to, even when that medium I talked to, which happened like last year. And so when my mom died is probably like, six, seven months when I did the interview. And so like hearing them again, talk about mediumship. And I’m like, personally, I don’t know if this is real, you know, I don’t know, I haven’t experienced it. But it’s not my place to judge, or, you know, assume they’re wrong or right. You know, I’m just here with an open mind. And when I hear it, you know, I think about it. And so, you know, when I hear about a bunch of different mediums out there, and who shares these experiences and what they feel, it definitely brings me comfort. Because it’s pretty interesting was, I was kind of always interested in spirituality, um, my, like, a lot of people, my family around tarot, and meditation and all that stuff. I know, that’s like the cliche spirituality stuff. But it’s still really cool to be around. Even when I was young, I think I was like, 14, and I was around that, and I didn’t want to dabble into it. It wasn’t because I was like, fear the devil. I know that people say that. No, is really because I just didn’t think it was for me. And I wanted to do it when it spoke more to me. And so that kind of happened. And so with the magazine kind of drifted me in this path of spirituality and really thinking about things differently. And then even

my birthday was in January, as well on my sister gave me an Oracle deck. And I use it from time to time I’m not like, I’m not hugely into it, where I like study it, but I just flip the cards in reweighed size and eerily accurate. And even if I don’t feel that way, there’s something there. You know, I think that’s important. The most important thing is that, even when if we get a Tarot reading or Oracle reading, and we feel that that’s I don’t understand this message. Maybe it’s not the time for it, then. Or maybe you just need to look at something differently. And maybe you’ll see the message. That’s why finding that’s why I find really great about work cool is even if the message is unclear, it makes you think differently. And think like, Oh, I got this message, I don’t understand what it means. But maybe I should, maybe I should tap into this, like, whatever it is that wants me to. Um, so I think that’s the one thing that’s helped a lot was the magazine, I feel like yeah, without the magazine, I’d probably be really struggling a lot more than I have. Um, it’s given me a lot of hope, you know, and sometimes I think of like, it should be like me hope vies magazine, or even peaceful vibes. Because like, sometimes people quit. I think some people have questioned me and said, like, how is the magazine about positivity? When you have a story about someone who’s getting gang or something, you know, like, that’s like, people say that. And I’m always like, Well, I think as you’re looking at positivity is happiness. And they’re very, very different. Happiness is just like that emotional feeling you get, and I think it’s temporary. I think positivity is like a philosophy, like a way of life. And that no matter what happens, you know, that things will be okay. Or you know, that there’s a different place for you or something’s coming up and you don’t know I think that’s better than being happy because, again, happiness is just kind of a feeling. And so I think philosophy is what drives me in that no one no matter what I do, I’m gonna try my best to be positive and of course, it’s harder on different days, you know, but like, that’s the one thing like my mom didn’t necessarily teach me like being positive like not like that, but she was always so positive. And you know, she always said if you don’t have anything nice to say, just don’t say it. Don’t you know, don’t like someone you know. And also, she always had such compliments to say about anyone like, she always kind of like, lit up a room, no matter what room she was in. Even if it was the darkest room, she was definitely the brightest light. And yeah, my mom just had really great charisma. And I try my best. So she can listen to me if that makes sense. And so, yeah, thanks for bringing that up. It’s great to talk about because even though, you know, death is always around us. I think there’s still like the stigma to talk about death. Because I can’t imagine why it’s incredibly difficult. And there’s a lot of people that don’t believe there’s anything else out there. I definitely believe there is. But I’m always getting judgment and self doubt about it, you know, as normal, because we don’t know what we don’t know yet. So we never probably will know until we reach that conclusion, or new beginning, whatever it is, whatever death as some people, it is pretty interesting what it is to some people. But yeah, hopefully that answers your question.

Brandon Handley 31:02
For sure, so sounds like sounds like having this as an outlet in the space and where you can refer to where you can have those conversations where you’re surrounded by places positive people, not necessarily just positive people. But the these different ways forward, and I get what you’re saying, in the idea of, you know, so you had some, you know, gangsters on and off. But it’s like the idea of this is where they were, and this has been their path forward. And this is, you know, there’s there’s think of cheese, what is it? One of the one of the Toy Story minis combat Carl, or Jesse, Jesse always finds a way, if you resolve those, Jesse always finds a way. There’s always a way forward, right. And sometimes the those ways forward, aren’t, aren’t glamorous. When you think about maybe the gangster and delivering the gang life, made for that person, that’s it, who’s looking at from the outside says, ah, that’s terrible. Nobody should ever have to go through. But maybe that’s what that person needed in order to give them the inspiration to go become the person that they end up becoming. And for you, you’ve been able to have people like that around you who’ve gone through some of these tough times through some of these challenging times. And I’ve shown you that kind of no matter where you’re at, and where you’ve been there, there’s, there’s, there’s a way you can go forward. And I love the idea that you know about your mom being, you know, the brightest light and you try to carry that forward. I think that’s awesome, man. I really appreciate hearing that.

Zane Landin 32:42
Yeah. And then also part of the the why of the magazine was my mom was always, obviously the biggest fan of it. And so, you know, I’m doing it, I constantly remind myself to do it for her as well, she would be super proud to see it. Or she is I tried to, you know, think of her not to say they, they would have they they do you know, I like thinking of it that way. So, yeah, I’m really excited. And you know, also to go back to your question about magazine. I don’t know what’s gonna happen in the future with the magazine. But you know, I did I do reflect, like, long time ago, and I said, if the magazine just continues one day, you know, knock on what if that does happen? I think that’s fine. Because, you know, I created a brand, I created a space for people. It’s, it’s a memory, you know, and it’s still something I believe in, I’m always going to be impacted by those stories. But that’s, that’s, that’s the, that’s definitely, like, only the worst outcome. I wouldn’t ever want that to happen. But again, we never know what’s gonna happen. But what’s that quote? You know, don’t be sad. It happened. The happy it happened. Wait, no, it’ll be sad. It’s over, be happy to have it. I like that. Because for sure, no. And that’s hard. You know, for people, you know, it’s easy to kind of be sad. Um, and it’s, I think it’s easy to be sad than it is to be happy. You got to like effort into being happy to be honest. And, but I like the idea that, you know, be so happy that it happened and just keep living as if it’s still there, or keep living as if the person still there, you know, and always carry on their legacy or whatever it is, you can do that keep them alive. You know, metaphorically even though they are, in a way still live somewhere else. I know it sounds like contradicting myself saying that. But yeah, that’s definitely that’s what I would say.

Brandon Handley 34:43
What, um, has, has there been like anybody that has tried to, I don’t know, offer you payment? You know, have you guys gotten any sponsorship? What’s that look like for you? Are you seeking any,

Zane Landin 35:01
um, I’ve never thought about it. We’ve had like, some people reach out, but not about sponsorship like money, but they would send us some products and we would post about them. That’s always so fun. Um, I know that some people have reached out, someone reached out about being featured and they wanted to, like pay us to be featured, which sounds, it’s probably like the only time I would ever be paid for it. So far, and so I’m very, I’m trying to figure out ways to monetize it and make some money from it. And you know, be able to pay the people helping me. Because, you know, we have like students helping and, you know, they’re like interns, and they get the experience, but I would love to, you know, pay them one day, and just create more things. You know, I’d love to have like a guidebook. Oh, that’d be so cool. Like, I feel like that’s the thing now, like, so many people are create guidebooks, and like, a positivity guidebook would be so fun. And so that would be, that would definitely be something to consider in the future. But again, that’s the kind of question like, I don’t want the magazine to branch off into other things, where it’s not just online content, but what if it’s like a book that you can use, like a journal? I feel like I feel like I see some people doing though is like, Oh, I created my own course guide book. It’s, I see so many people doing that. So like, I think it’s so exciting. And it’s like, they can do it. Maybe we can too. So there’s so many things to consider and what’s what’s kind of trending and what people are liking and what’s really helping people. So there’s always so much to consider when it comes to stuff like this, which I’m sure you are aware of.

Brandon Handley 36:33
I know for sure, for sure. I think that it’s great that you’re looking, you know, the monetization is I think, you know, obviously, it’s great to get paid for I think it’s kind of funny, right? That somebody wants to pay be paid to be featured, which is always interesting to write, pay to play. Well, let me let me ask it just so I get to this little spot in the podcast where I like to call it like a spiritual speed dating zines, and it says you have you kind of found your spirituality, you’re finding your spirituality through what you’re doing right now. And I think that’s great. Again, I think this, I think this is cool that you’re doing it at such a young age where you’re really leaning into it, you’re asking yourself some questions where I know, for me, it took me a long time before I even started asking myself some questions. It was just kind of straight and forward and a lot of bouncing around and some other funky stuff happened. But you know, in the end, you know, I kind of landed pretty smack dab in the middle of spirituality and started asking some of these questions that you’re asking yourself at this at this younger age. But um, how about spiritual speed dating? Bachelor number one? Whoo, hoo. We talked a little bit about depression, why are so many people depressed?

Zane Landin 37:49
Um, why are so many people depressed? There’s so many, definitely so many different answers. I feel like the reason why people are more depressed now is not just a guess. I feel like but people, what gets people down is experiencing them. And so what I mean is, people have had to really had to sit with themselves. And really think about things. I feel like we didn’t do that. I feel like, you know, we were always moving. Like we talked about this the beginning, like we’re always moving and trying to get more, or things are just always changing. But I feel like with COVID people kind of just were stuck. I feel like that kind of got people depressed, because they had to really think about their life, and what they bring what they bring to the world, because, you know, imagine seeing so many people dying. So since I couldn’t submit, I couldn’t really relate to the dying thing. Just I mean that just because like I’m young, and I was like, I don’t think I’m going to catch COVID and die from it. But I can imagine someone who’s in who’s in like, their middle, middle age can be like, Oh, my gosh, I’m actually like, high risk for COVID. And so I had to really think about what have I done with my life? And what can I do differently? And that is why you see so many platforms and podcasts and things being made during the pandemic, because people have just shifted, because I think that’s one thing that’s made people really depressed. I think that there’s just so many pressures now I feel like, especially with technology in the media, I feel like that people are have such stretch to be an act of turn away. And everyone’s lives are blasted online. And as much as I love social media and technology. It does have this have some bad effects. And so in there’s, there’s so many different things and I feel like it’s such like, I’ve like it’s such a big question. I think recently now, I think some of those are some of the reasons why people were depressed. Um, yeah, I really think so.

Brandon Handley 39:49
That’s fair. That’s absolutely fair. So many people hadn’t really sat with themselves and being locked down, caused you to really just kind of do this introspection? What have I done with my life? What am I going to do with my life? Is what I’m doing with my life, you know, kind of is this my life’s purpose? Where should I be doing? You know, all kinds of those things? I think I think that you’re right, not since Great answer. Will z where you know, where can people we’ve been talking about this, you know, magazine, we’ve been talking about you and all the things that you’re doing, where can people go and find out more about you?

Zane Landin 40:28
Yes. So, um, one word, positive vibes, mag calm. That’s the website, as well as all of our social media channels. Except for LinkedIn, YouTube, or his positive vibes magazine. But the rest is positive eyes mag, you can find us on Instagram, the website, Facebook, LinkedIn, YouTube, but we’re very active on Instagram as our main platform. And we just try to post things every other day we try and bring value to the postings, you know, we’ll do we’ll explore different topics. I think one of them was detachment, which I thought was very interesting, because like some people don’t, some people think detachment is toxic. You know, detach yourself from someone, oh, you’re being toxic, you’re running away. I don’t like when people say that, because like, you’re ran away from your problems. Well, maybe some people just need to detach from their problems. You know, even if it’s not they’re doing like, if they’re in this situation, where it’s like a new environment, could actually drastically shape them or shift. So they’re actually in a better mindset. So they can make better decisions, they can live a better life. And so, you know, we try to talk about that we did a post about experiencing loss, you know, that it’s gonna happen to everyone. As long as we can be there for one another and openly talk about loss, I think it will help people more, especially when it’s such a shock for some people, including me, but like, if I knew more people that happened to actually, like I said, like, oh, everyone’s gonna have to experience that. I just wish he would talk about it more. So I don’t want a little tangent anyways. So those are the places you can definitely find us.

Brandon Handley 42:01
Absolutely, St. Now, thanks for sharing, I think that I think that’s huge, right? People when they’re experiencing loss, they don’t necessarily know some of the best ways to express it, go through it, who can they turn to and without, without some type of reference material, like you’re talking about without being able to go to another place that has been sharing it and having having these conversations openly the way that you have? I think that it makes it a real challenge because especially as men in western civilization, we’re supposed to know kind of stuff over emotions down and loss is one of those things that we’re supposed to kind of stuff down, you know, people calling people go, and, you know, we beat on our chest and carry on. So, I don’t think that that’s always the way sometimes sometimes we’re truly impacted and we should be allowed to be impacted, we should be allowed to feel those feelings and sit with them for a minute. And, you know, you know, especially if we think about the loss of your mother, my mother’s still around when she goes it’s going to be like a true sign of her own mortality that that’s the moment that you reflect you’re like alright, well, wow, life can be here one day and really gone the next and yeah, am I really living it? To the best of my experience? There’s a Insight Timer. Sara Blondin has this amazing meditation called pain being the gateway to the divine. Right? Because I think so often, we shirk away from it, because it hurts because we think it’s going to hurt. But there’s so much energy inside of that pain that once it’s released, there’s a there’s, um, there’s a gateway that’s open, right that you can, you can go for you go through that and, and leverage it.

Zane Landin 43:59
That’s no, that’s really great. I never heard about that. But now I will say my favorite show growing up and still today is avatar. And like, one of the last episodes is one of the main characters has to deal with her mom’s death, the whole show, you know, they’re always talking about it. And so this one episode is about her like confronting the man who killed her mom. And like one of the characters tells her you know, don’t choose revenge, lay your anger out and then let it go is exactly what you’re talking about. Because it led to a blossoming understanding for her in a very different way. It wasn’t as obvious as I forgive this person actually moved into another person. So it was pretty interesting if this is why I love the show. But you know, I just actually love that there’s so there’s so interesting.

Brandon Handley 44:51
Zane, thanks for coming on today taking time and stopping over on spiritual dope podcast.

Zane Landin 44:57
Yeah, of course. Thank you so much.


It was great to sit down with the author of “Sight Beyond Sight“, Raine Dalyrmple as we cover many different grounds on spirituality!

Have you ever thought that you had a particular motive when you were born? Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing your daily chores, but something feels empty and left out? People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you can so much more; you just have to realise it.

In this episode, we are joined by Raine where she talks about his experience with consciousness and the more significant sources.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways consciousness can affect your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of the more significant source or, as everyone calls it, ‘God.’
  3. Learn the significance of practising consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Raine has spent about two decades in the education and teaching department in different genres.
  • We are all evolving every day, and hence what we were yesterday might not be what we are today.
  • To believe is the biggest thing you can do, not only for you but also for the people in your lives.

[04:04] Believing 

  • It doesn’t matter what phase you come from or what religion you practise; we’re not alone.
  • The source is the supernatural superpower that helps us live a better quality of life. 

[07:04] Role of Consciousness 

  • Consciousness is the ability to be able to comprehend what is going around us entirely.
  • Raine talks about how she realised her abilities from her trauma in her 20s.
  • She describes the concept of the threefold plane.

[14:50] Paranormal Experiences

  • Experiences that defy logic.
  • She tells the story of her experience with angels from when she was pregnant with her daughter.
  • She also talks about the visions she experienced from the source, which eventually lead to them being an inspiration for her book.

[19:32] Merging Worlds

  • Raine talks about how it wasn’t her goal to get here, but now it brings her gratitude, realising where she is. 
  • You get what you ask for.
  • When you start incorporating it into your life, you start relating to other people more.

[26:44] Books and Courses

  • She started writing about nine years ago.
  • You have to understand the barriers, the blocks and become a better person through realisation. 
  • If you work towards something without eminent pressure, you will be able to do it.
  • The book walks you through different aspects of life and makes you realise things.
  • To be human, we need that interaction with people. This is what Raine achieves in her different programs. 
  • She explains the practical experiences given in her book. 

About Raine

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

Connect with Raine today: https://sightbeyondsight.org/

Brandon Handley 0:00
All right. Okay, ready? 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope on here today. We’ve got a very special guests. We’ve got rain Dalrymple. Let’s get right to it, right

Raine Dalrymple 0:15
certainly did.

Brandon Handley 0:16
Yeah, good, good. It’s just got a it’s got a spelling. It was confused me rain. And so thank you for I butchered quite a few names coming on.

Raine Dalrymple 0:26
Well, often what I often what I’ll do is in you’ll notice in my book, I just write rainbow, because it’s way easier to me.

Brandon Handley 0:35
What’s the what’s the origin of that last name? Like? What’s, uh,

Unknown Speaker 0:38
what was it?

Raine Dalrymple 0:39
I believe it’s some Scottish and I think there’s some English and French in there. Okay. Okay.

Brandon Handley 0:46
Good to know, good to know. So rain, you and I, you know, you’re an author, you’re a teacher, your your number of things, but like, you know, if you know, for this podcast, what would you tell people? Who How would you describe yourself? You know,

Raine Dalrymple 1:01
I would say that, you know, I spent a little over two decades in education and in the helping profession working with all genres, like persons with disabilities, daycares, ex offenders, women, men, there isn’t really, you know, any genre I haven’t worked with, I don’t I don’t think. Um, and so now, I’ve taken all of that information and that growth on a professional level, as well as my own personal growth in my own life experiences. And I’ve pulled that all together. So I would basically say that I’m, you know, an author, content creator, visionary. But that’s good for now. There’s lots in there and intuitive.

Brandon Handley 1:51
For sure. I love it. I love it. Thanks. It’s a sometimes like, sometimes the BIOS that, you know, we share back and forth, they don’t really catch the essence of who you really are, like all the time, right, that they read well, for sometimes, like, Who are you really? Right. And I actually

Raine Dalrymple 2:09
did tell you the truth, I hate writing them, because it’s like, Okay, how much do I say I do? And how much do I leave out? Because it can tend to go on and be dry? And you’re like, sure. Yeah, you just you don’t want to hear all of that. Right?

Brandon Handley 2:24
It all It all depends, like I said, when it’s in when it’s in writing, it’s I think you can take it in a little bit faster to write and then like, when you when, you know, how can you be concise enough to just deliver the essence of who reign is right.

Raine Dalrymple 2:38
So thank you. Yeah, for sure. And we’re all we’re all, you know, we’re in this evolution. You know, we’re maturing, and we’re growing in everything we do every day. Right. So what we were yesterday, we may be something different tomorrow. So yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:54
absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. So like to start these off with the whole idea. You said, you know, you’re an intuitive. And, you know, you’ve seen angels, and so you’re no stranger to kind of opening yourself up and connecting to source. And I’m going to ask you to do that to share a message right now to a listener that could only come through you today, right now, in this moment through source, what’s that message? Say? Right?

Raine Dalrymple 3:27
I’d say the message would be to believe that would be the biggest thing that you can do, not only for yourself, but for the people in your lives. And and also for for the angels and, and the universal source that exists.

Brandon Handley 3:48
So to what and so if I believe in that, and for myself, I like that. And for for the people, right? How does that extend to two people?

Raine Dalrymple 4:03
Well, really, what it’s saying is that it doesn’t matter. You know, what faith you come from what religion you believe in? And then let me just say they’re in the benevolent realms. Not in the malicious for humps, although it is all energy. It’s all the same energy, energy is energy and it’s alive. But what we really want to understand in our own awareness is that we’re not alone, right? We’re not here alone. We’re not even when we are alone. We’re say living in our apartment by ourselves. We’re never truly alone. Because we have source which is God’s source, the divine, whatever you want to call it. I mean, again, those are labels, right? And we’re language people, right? So we have to attach some kind of a word to it. But source is source and source is an energy. That is the superpower is a super conscious power source. And so when we tap into that, we come to understand and learn what the role of consciousness is, and how it can function in our lives to help us to live a better quality life.

Brandon Handley 5:23
Now, you know, a lot of good things in there, right? Obviously, right? You hit on, especially the benevolent realms, right? Just trying to see what kind of good source can bring to us, right. And especially if we believe in source as being benevolent, we can do that for ourselves and for others. The idea of not being here alone, just as you spoke about not only being connected to source but you know, potentially angels or other others, right. Always, always interesting to hear that we, as humans, can only see like less than 1% of natural light anyways, or the full spectrum. So there’s 99.99% that we’re missing out on. And he hit on to like, what is the role of consciousness was, you know, I know that this is something that’s, you know, going to be big for you, in your book and sight Beyond Sight? Is, is consciousness, how would you? How would you? What would you say consciousness is because I’ll just give you kind of like, where I get twisted, I still get twisted on it, right? Like, I’m always like, consciousness of of what right? Like I’m, when I’m conscious of something, I’m aware of something. And what that something is, can be any number of things. But then when we refer to you and I, in this conversation, consciousness, we’re speaking of this greater consciousness, this collective consciousness, what are what are we saying? or What are you saying? And when you say,

Raine Dalrymple 7:02
well, consciousness is the ability to be able to see that there is more to us than you touched on it. You talked about the human condition, right? In a sense, you said, our humanity. So yeah, we can go about our day, and we can live our day, no problem, without being fully conscious that there’s something more out there than what we’re seeing, because we have to remember that we’re living in the 3d world, which is we, we believe in what we see, right? We see the table in front of us, we see everything in the materialistic world. And so that’s what 3d basically is, it’s living in that cerebral world, of like our left brain perspective. So you know, strategy, logical, that sort of thing. When we’re talking about consciousness and becoming awakened to it. Now we’re starting to see more than what’s in front of us more than just the table in front of us more than the room that we’re able to see in a spiritual realm. And we’re able to hear, feel, see, and sense spirit, right. So it’s all about when we are able to do that, first of all, we want to become aware of it, and we become aware of it. being introduced to it in a lot of ways, some people are introduced to it, you know, by attending a church revival, some people are introduced to it by sitting in a sweat at a sweat lodge, some people are introduced to it by, you know, just surviving, surviving a vehicle accident. There’s a lot of ways that were introduced to it. Some people are born with that psychic intuition. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. And your listeners have heard of people talk, you know, Sylvia Browne, and, you know, those sorts of people that said, they always knew since they were three or four years old, and they were getting messages. My my recollection, didn’t, I didn’t really start feeling that happening for me until my 20s. And I, you know, I talked about that.

Brandon Handley 9:21
Yeah, I think in your story, right. You mentioned though, that you had something occur when you were younger, but you didn’t recognize Yeah, till later in life. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Because, as you’re as you’re talking about the introduction to it, right,

Raine Dalrymple 9:37
yeah. I didn’t go. I didn’t go deeply into a lot of the trauma that I experienced in my life in the book because that wasn’t the object of the book. I do talk about trauma. I do talk about difficult times, but I always want to bring that back around to Okay, yeah, that happen. Shit happens, but how can we fix it? What can we do to Change that what can we do to change those blueprints that happened to us, you know, in those childhood years, or if say, you know, a woman is, you know, raped when she’s, you know, going out to her car in the grocery parking lot or, you know, like we you know, there’s things that happen in life that are not very nice in there pretty ugly. So what happened to me when I was about five, I had a trauma happened to me. And I, I just remember feeling my my soul, lift off my body, kind of like, come forward a bit, a few a couple of inches, and then lift up, out through the top of my head. And I’m sure some of your listeners have heard of people that have died on the operating table, and had that similar type experience. And I just remember I went by slipped through the crack in the, in the ceiling. And when I, when I did that, I was out into the other room. And I could see all around, but I couldn’t hear anything. It was like I was buried in this hole, and I could not hear anything. I’m like, it just there was there was no sound, it was just like dead air. And then I slowly, I don’t know how long I was in that state, you know, kind of floating. And then I went back through the crack and slipped back into my body. And so nothing really, you know, paranormal happened to me for many, many years that I can recall. Until my 20s, I started questioning why I was here, questioning my purpose, trying to understand what is what there’s got to be more to life than this. And as I started opening myself up, right, in that awareness, then I started having a lot of these really strange experiences. And so that’s sometimes how it can happen. A trauma can trigger us to have an experience. And then that then opens up what is often known as the threefold flame, which is within us. So when we say yes, there’s something else out there in that in that big old, universal world, that is all empowering. It’s also within us, and that’s what people that’s why it’s so important for people to read my book, because they’re gonna get it when they read those stories. And they’re, they’re gonna go, oh, okay, whether you’ve had no experiences ever in your lifetime, or you’ve had experiences, there’s going to be something in there for everyone, they’re going to get it and they’re going to go, yeah, I actually have felt that warmth, you know, burning inside of me, or when I lay down to meditate, I can feel that energy, that that flame that’s alive within me. And that’s the connection to, you know, that superconscious. Divine that we know that we call God, most of us.

Brandon Handley 13:10
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. Right. A couple couple questions I have in there. Let’s see, I guess kind of walk it backwards. And, you know, listen, I agree at least that, you know, having felt that warm. Having been in that scenario, that’s a that’s a, just a wonderful connection that you can you can experience them in so many different ways. So if you’re teaching people how to do that through through your coursework, that’s amazing, right. I think that that’s, you know, highly valuable. And we’ll talk about some of the benefits that as we kind of move forward, but what is I’m not familiar with the threefold flame, what is that?

Raine Dalrymple 13:48
That’s a Christ consciousness. experience. So it’s, it’s it’s a it’s an energy source of God. And so it’s the threefold flame of love and light and power in a positive way.

Brandon Handley 14:11
Okay, no, thanks for sharing it. I’d never never heard about it. So I’d like to I like the imagery and kind of the application and again, yeah, together then you’ve kind of got this. This kind of, like, inner sun as it were, right? Exactly.

Raine Dalrymple 14:28
Yes.

Brandon Handley 14:30
So you’ve also made reference to a couple times even before we got going, you know, paranormal experiences. Um, and and it was funny because you said you know, you, you asked me if I’d had some paranormal conversations on here. I guess I had never really put it into that light. Right and thought about it is paranormal. I’m just like, well, this is just one person’s experience. That’s another person’s experience, and I never done the paranormal at it. What would you consider paranormal just so I can Yes, and we can understand that a little bit better.

Raine Dalrymple 15:02
Well, paranormal are experiences that we have that belie logic. So, for example, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had gotten up in the middle of the night to use the washroom. And when I walked out of my door door, the doorframe of the bedroom, the bathroom was over to the left, and I saw something sitting on the top of the stairs to my right. And, you know, you’re half asleep. So you know, you just kind of like, like, looked. And when I did this double take there, on the top of my stairs sat an angel, and I could clearly see and feel that it was a male, on his back was to me, and I could see the wings and the white. And then, you know, as quickly as I looked, he was gone. Right. So it was, definitely, because I was worrying, you know, most mothers that are pregnant at some point in, you know, those nine months, they, you know, they are often concerned, they want to have a healthy baby, and, you know, those sorts of things. And, and I just took that as a very positive sign that he was just letting me know, everything was going to be okay. Right. So that gave me that sense of peace. And that is, is often you know, when angels come to us, that’s their role is to encourage us to bring us that piece to help us to, to not worry to not, you know, having xiety and to trust, right to trust that everything will be okay.

Brandon Handley 16:42
Well, I would like it if an angel or two would show up and bring me a little sense of peace and encouraged. So, you know, it’s funny, like, I guess that’s just because they’re the paranormal. I don’t know, if I ever did or I just, again, to me, it’s just your experience, right? You’re you You’re, you’re open to receiving that, right? So so you’re capable of it, right? If you’re open to it, then you’re capable to see it and receive it. And, and for you, it’s easier to believe, right? Especially as you have had, my guest is more than one of these experiences, as your you know, so you’re, you’re in your 20s, you’ve, you know, you have the introduction to kind of source and these experiences when you’re much younger, and now it’s happening much more often. And you’re in this kind of educational, organizational space, or you’re a professional,

Raine Dalrymple 17:42
right? Actually not yet Nika, because at that time, I was raising my children. So I was I was home with the kids, and I was, you know, doing laundry and making meals and that sort of thing. So I think it was the perfect scenario for source to come to me and all these different ways, you know, visions, I was starting to have visions, just like, you know, I’d lay down to, you know, go to bed at night, and all of a sudden, just visions would start happening to me, and I’d open my eyes, and then I closed them again, same vision would continue to happen until I let it play out. So, you know, it caused me to, you know, question What’s going on? First of all, what, why, why me? Why am I having these, these visions and to try to understand what the message was as well. Right. So, you know, I started charting my dreams to under, you know, better understand what was going on in my life. And, you know, it was really, it was really just, it was a school, essentially, from, you know, the divine was passing on to me to, to go through this. So that I guess, at some point, I could do this book and share it with people.

Brandon Handley 18:52
Right, so I’ll be part of a big part of what we’d like to do here is understand, right? How, just again, in your story, how were you able to incorporate I guess, your your connection to source and spirituality? I guess after you raise your children or got back into the workforce, like, how did you merge the two worlds, right? How did you merge the spiritual world with like, yeah, Hey, I got to show up at work today for this cup of coffee and then type my TPS report.

Raine Dalrymple 19:29
Right, right. Well, what’s interesting about all of that was that wasn’t my goal plan. In the beginning. It wasn’t to, to teach in that way. I was I was brought into that world through opportunities and doors that open for me. So again, you know, that brings us to this place of gratitude because we realize a lot of times things that we do Experience aren’t are doing, they’re there, they’re from, from a higher power that is guiding us and directing us. Now, keep in mind at anytime you can say no to any of it just like you yourself friend and can say, you know, I would really like to have an experience, like, give me something here. And when you ask, eventually you will start to have experiences that might start small, where you say, you know what, you know, if you really do exist up there, source, show me I want to see feathers, I want to see feathers, and lots of them. And you know, there’s a couple of feathers stories are one at least that I shared in the book. And so you know, you might end up you know, waking up in the morning and you making your bed and all of a sudden, all these feathers come flying out of your pillow and you don’t own a down feather pillows. So how in the heck did they get in there. So this is just kind of the fun way that sometimes they, you know, show us these signs, because they really want us to believe they really want us to know that they’re there and to to also ask and to lean on them to help us. So, you know, you can ask, right? I guess it kind of got Oh, okay, so you were asking me, I get off track on these stories. That’s okay.

Brandon Handley 21:15
So the biggest the biggest part, right of a lot of this is, once you’ve had a spiritual experience, it’s really hard as hell to get grounded again. Right. And it’s really hard to go back. Right, right. It’s hard to it’s hard to say, Okay. Yes, I’ll go to work today. Right? And I guess, you know, so how, you know, how were you able to have that experience, and continue to stay in, you know, connected to source and then integrate into? Well, we’ll just call the real world for now.

Raine Dalrymple 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, we’re, we’re, we have this human body, but really, we’re a spiritual being, you know, functioning in the human body. So, you know, you’re going to work and you’re, you know, you’re taking care of youth, or you’re, you’re, you know, when when I was at the time, when it’s, you know, started progressing, and I started incorporating it, I was working with persons with disabilities. So, when you think of it, it was very helpful, in a sense, because it really helped me to interact and relate with the girls much, much easier than if I were functioning out of this real word, man, real world mentality. And then fast forward, you know, down the road, and, you know, working with children, and, you know, they’re just like, they’re just like, everything is amazing to them, right. And they’re just bundles full of love. And then, you know, working in, you know, helping people with life skills. So now you’re incorporating the imagination, you’re incorporating creativity, you’re incorporating all of these wonderful tools and skills that are opening and awakening the people that you’re teaching. So, for me, it felt like it was very easy to incorporate the two, because now you’re living that world, like you’re living in that world, you’re living that life, you’re incorporating the two in your own life, into your own world. And so then it therefore becomes very easy to talk to other people about it, and to share and to help them to see their own value, you know, as a spiritual being. And I don’t mean religion, that’s not what I’m talking about, just as a person that can see possibility in their own lives. Right?

Brandon Handley 23:50
Absolutely. Right. How can we, how can we show someone the greatness that’s within them? Right? And in a sense, I recall, I recall when you first started into this space, right, feeling this way and feeling that everybody has that within them, right? Everybody’s got it. And I recall going to I was at I was at a convention, and I was talking to people I was like, Well, you know, we can talk about what it feels like to step into the greatness of who you are. And man, the looks I was getting, and people were like, What are you talking about? I was like, and as they say, there’s an uncertainty to believe that there’s greatness within you, right? Or what’s or even doing, or there’s an uncertainty to recognize that what you’re doing today right now in this very moment is great. Yes. Right. And so I think it’s very shameful that that we can’t see this for ourselves, right? That’s

Raine Dalrymple 24:55
and it’s amazing that you shared that with those people because I mean, as such If you you look across the world right now, like many people are still asleep, you know, even after this whole year of the madness that’s going on, we are still asleep.

Brandon Handley 25:10
Yeah. So here’s I think, I think here’s what kind of sucks in my mind is that we’re also who were we’re in the midst of like this this quote unquote woke culture thing too. And I think that there’s, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s this like woke culture to, you know, I think racism and schism, right. And then there’s also this woke culture of spirituality wokeness, or awakening. But then there’s also this idea to rain, you know, just kind of bear with me, I so I hate the idea that like, you know, now we say, you know, awakening or something like that it gets kind of tied in, it’s tied into that now we got to disassociate from like, kind of the headlines in the media to just to discern that what we’re talking about here is like a spiritual awakening, or awakening, not even a spiritual awakening, awakening to the greatness of who you are waking up.

Raine Dalrymple 26:03
I really like that. Yeah, right. That’s more accurate

Brandon Handley 26:06
wakening to who you are, and, and, and accepting that. But again, so this is something that you are facilitating, which is awesome, right? This is something you’re facilitating through your book and your courses, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, how you came to, you know, how you came up with the title of your book? And, you know, also, why now, why you thought those types of things right, so, how did you know what, what made you decide that it was time to start writing? And?

Raine Dalrymple 26:41
Well, it’s kind of a funny story, because I actually started the book, probably, oh, probably about nine years ago. And it’s probably To be honest, it was probably more than that. So what happened was bachlin, you know, we first had computers, and they were like, the dinosaur computers. I had been, you know, typing it up on there. And I had given a copy to my Google my Google room, I met one of my mentors. And I said here, you know, like, it was like, maybe a chapter there. And I said, you know, can you give it a read and see what you think of it? And like, not too soon after that my computer crashed, and I lost everything. Right? So I thought, Well, okay, no problem. Like I first I was really upsetting. And I gave him a copy, I’ll give them a call. And I’ll, well, just what he lost it. And I was just like, beside myself, because I thought, What am I going to do now? Like, how am I going to get those words back. So you know, I sat down and kind of tried to recall what I could. And then I had taken on, I had moved to a different province and I had taken on working two jobs for quite a number of years, I did that often on, you know, working two and three jobs. And so I didn’t, I didn’t have time to work on it. So I put it up on the shelf. And then when I did finally pull it out, again, that would have probably been about six years ago, and just kind of jotted some things down. And then really seriously, two years ago, sat down in the winter and just did a whole pile of writing, then picked it up just a little over a year ago. So you know, just before all this madness started happening, I thought, you know what, I’ve got to get this done, something was just pressing me, I’ve got to get this done, I’ve got it, you know, whatever happens, I’ve got to get it done. So I too, have found it very intriguing about the timing, because it’s just so relevant to what’s going on right now. And I think more than anything, you know, you speak to, you know, the reality piece and the spiritual piece. And really, the book is about bridging those two together, you know, because we do need, just like both sides of our brain, we’ve got the logical side and we’ve got the creative side, we need the two to converge to function, you know, in, in a, an optimum fashion, right. So, you know, bringing, bringing those two elements together. And again, it’s it’s like you talk about it’s we are all unique, and each person through these experiences through the growth through the transformation, you know, through understanding what their limitations and their barriers and their blocks are. And the personal development growth that they go through is what is helping them to be to become a much better person happier for themselves and within themselves because a lot of stuff happens in life. We’ve got relationship stuff with family members and exes and you know, jobs you know, job loss and loss of, you know, grief and loss of People in our lives and pets that we’ve lost and all of those things that happen that really pound on our, our soul self, and really cause us to lose that fire inside of us and that hope. And that faith, like on the cover of my book, I say hope where there is no way make away. Right. And that’s what I want people to learn is that, you know, it doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful at everything we tried. But the fact that we’re taking those steps forward, and we’re moving forward in that tenacity, and determination, and perseverance, those are the things that help us to create a much better person, and a much happier person. Because now we can say, you know, you know, I did this, I, I wanted to learn how to play squash or I wanted to learn how to canoe or I wanted to, you know, get on a team and learn how to, you know, and be involved in racing, you know, kayak racing, whatever it is. Just throwing some examples, though, you know, work so, right,

Brandon Handley 31:07
because I think that,

Unknown Speaker 31:10
you know, we leave,

Brandon Handley 31:12
we leave ourselves for too long, and then we get back to ourselves and like, I would love to go do this, but, or, I’d love this, but we get lazy. Yeah. Or we say, All right, I’ll give it a shot. And then, you know, when we find that we’re able to accomplish that thing for me, for example, it was going to do a triathlon. Right? Like, I was like, You know what, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m just gonna, you know, we’re gonna go do a triathlon, and yeah, and rain. I was not an active guy was not right. I was actually I was not an active guys. So it took a little bit of training a little bit of time. And I went, I did it. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 31:53
wow,

Brandon Handley 31:55
you know, pretty good. And I’ll do another one. So I did a couple more. Right. And so having that experience of this thing that I never thought I saw myself doing, and then just getting up and going and doing it. And it wasn’t even hard, per se, right. Like, I mean, right. But I was wore out, don’t get me wrong, but it wasn’t hard. You just it just took going and doing it. Right. And working towards it. And and, and this, I think I think I think that one of the things that’s great is that if you work towards it without like this imminent pressure on yourself to succeed, just to go do it, right, just to go do it. Yeah, is enough.

Raine Dalrymple 32:35
Yeah, you can’t be active in the present moment, right. So you were you made a decision in that present moment. Instead of Couch Surfing for the night, watching another movie for the seventh night in a row, you’re gonna get it on your own, you’re gonna do it,

Brandon Handley 32:49
I binge, my fair share of Netflix, I know, I’m just like everybody else out there. But there are certain things that I’ll get up and I’ll go to just a little bit differently, that gives me a sense of purpose, or a sense of contribution to the larger part of ourselves, like you were talking about, like where our body and our spirit and we need both, I think the one thing that gets the most neglect is our spiritual self, which I want to have to go ahead and assert is the larger part of our being

Raine Dalrymple 33:20
well, and they’re all interconnected. So you take your example. You said when you were done? Yeah, it was it was a little bit of hard work, but it wasn’t like so hard that you couldn’t do it. And you actually felt really good after you, you know, those, you were alive, you felt alive, you were in that present moment, and you showed yourself with determination and commitment, you can do it. So that that really it can feed the ego but in a positive way. Right? It but it fed that that whole aspect of who you were, and you looked at yourself, and you went, Wow, I did that. Right. I actually accomplished it. And it just, it gives us a better sense of who we are, and that we can achieve anything that we set our minds to. It’s just to follow through.

Brandon Handley 34:12
Right, right. Yeah, it’s pretty much just a follow through and just just to go do it. So you know, you’ve got storytelling and some practical thoughts and some other you know, awesome stories inside of sight Beyond Sight. You’re gonna walk people through you, you’re gonna walk the reader through some journeys and some specific stories that will help them kind of come alive and recognize that they too, absolutely have what you’re calling the threefold flame within them, right. And then you you you can get the book and then you also offer a couple different courses, right? You got a couple different programs, and if I’m not mistaken, is it the eight you they Key keys to consciousness consciousness is that going to be the one that kind of directly relates to sight Beyond Sight?

Raine Dalrymple 35:06
to quite a bit, a quite a number of the courses that are offered are all based on the keys to consciousness, because really what we’re talking about is everything that we’re talking about is is, you know, finding, finding who out who we are. Our own uniqueness. Core, for example, is chapter six, I believe five or six, I think it’s five. You know, it talks about, you know, nutrition and, and health and well being even myself, like, I have been so negligent with doing the, the exercise lately, the yoga isn’t happening, you know, nearly as often as it should. So I joined yesterday, actually, you know, a mentor that’s running a program for about 30 of us online. And so now, you know, I’ve got that commitment, right, the commitment to just as you committed to doing the triathlon, about that commitment, now, I’m committed, right, I’ve talked to him, I’m signed up, and now I’m committed. So you know, you know, at the end of two weeks, I mean, I’m going to feel better about myself, I’m going to feel happy that I contributed that time, to my physical well being and, you know, I can incorporate, you know, smoothies, and, you know, so we do as people, we need the interaction, you know, we’re finding that out big time in this last year, that we need that interaction with people, we need to be interactive. So I have many programs actually, that that I run. And if people want to connect with them, all they have to do is go to my website site, be on site.org. And I’ll, you know, I’m just starting to upload those on to there’s a couple on there now, but I’m just starting to upload those onto the website. so that people can, you know, whatever, whatever they need, they can get one on one coaching and support with me. Because truly, we are all so unique, that it’s I really like to I do really like to have like a free discovery session with with everyone that calls or contacts me, you know, via email, because I want to know where they’re coming from and what they need, there’s no sense of me sitting and spilling out a bunch of stuff that, you know, are my suggestions if it’s not going to help them. So what I do is I combine that intuitive piece. So you know, I do do the angel card readings, but I also Intuit I just grabbed it from the, you know, my guides and walk them through, you know, interact with them, to find out what it is they need, you know, some people come to me wanting to understand, you know, their past, they want to understand what they’re going through now. And they also want to understand what can they do going into the future. So that’s also, you know, a piece of that intuition that happens. So it’s just really a lot of like, you know, coaching, support, you know, supporting people in their own walk and in their journey. And, you know, I also, you know, I’ll be doing artwork, you know, creative art, you know, in zoos, and, you know, on lives, and all that kind of stuff, you know, I’m partner partnering with some other people, so that we can kind of give people a variety of services. So it’s, it’s really up to each individual, all they have to do is reach out to me, and then you know, we can take it from there we can we can grow from that point.

Brandon Handley 38:36
Well, that’s awesome. Right? So I mean, you have a lot of different options available for someone. So if I, you know, so my, my pathway to you could be could look like this, where I pick up the book, right? I read the book, and I find that it strikes a chord with me, right? I said, you know, rain, she’s got it nailed down, this is me to a tee, gotten everything, gotten everything just right. And then I’m like, Alright, well, I do want to know more, but I’m not quite ready to commit to a program or anything just yet. So I can come over to your site. And when I’m at your site, I can see over here, you’ve got your eight keys to consciousness, which you’re telling me it sounds like it’s kind of like a foundational course. Right? All the stuff that kind of we’re talking about here. So yeah,

Raine Dalrymple 39:23
like, you know, if some, when someone picks up the book and reads it at the end of each chapter, there’s a practical buoyancy section where there’s three to do tips. So it’s kind of a nice way to for them to segue into you know, taking action. You know, having running a salt bath and putting on some music there, you know, just simple tips. You know, doing a collage, you know, grabbing some scrap paper, you know, magazines around the house and creating a collage. You know, people are welcome to do that on their own right because these are just some practical tips that they can incorporate in Your own personal growth, right?

Brandon Handley 40:02
When was so just I mean, share with me a little bit of why I might want to do you know, a clause. And how’s that gonna? What are some of the benefits I’m gonna get from that?

Raine Dalrymple 40:15
Well, let’s just say, you know, right now a person is not happy in what they’re doing for work, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re not happy going to work every day, they’re really actually quite miserable, they don’t enjoy getting up in the morning, or you have someone who you know, is laid off right now. And they really, they really don’t know what direction to go in. So we know we can go online, you can go and see an employment counselor, and you can do these tests that kind of point you in the right direction. Or maybe you should be going to school for carpentry for the next, you know, number of years. Or maybe you could do this, or maybe you could do that. But there’s also this creative aspect that you can tap into. So you know, you get out a gripping piece of paper, and you grab a bunch of magazines, and and you just start looking through them, you start cutting out pictures that speak to you. And then when you go to put your collage together, you know, you’re gluing pictures, let’s just say, you know, I remember when I did mine, many years ago, I started noticing I was cutting out a lot of fashion, like a lot of women wearing like the big hats and Paris and, and you know, the really nice fashions. And when I got done, I thought wow, you know what, I guess it’s time for me to, to clean out my wardrobe and get rid of some stuff, and start incorporating some of these stylish new outfits into my closet, right. And that gave me a sense of confidence of self confidence. And I felt, you know, happy to get dressed up. And you know, where are the big earrings, you remember those days, the big earrings and, you know, the blue eyeshadow and whatever, whatever it was, but you know, it made me feel good, right. And it’s it helped me to see that we can create our image, we can change our image at any time, we can wear the suit and tie we can wear the hippie pants, we can we can be whoever it is that we choose to be. And we can change that that image. Right? So it’s all about growth. It’s all about that. That internal growth, right. And when you look on this clause, you can see, wow, you know, maybe maybe someone who was interested in carpentry didn’t realize they were but here, they were cutting out all kinds of decks that you could build for the summer and, you know, these like extended rooms on people’s houses. And they’re like, wow, like, I really, I might like, you know, doing something like that maybe I should look into, you know, being an apprentice in carpentry, right? So it just opens our eyes, it opens our eyes to other possibilities.

Brandon Handley 42:58
I like it, right? So it gives you the opportunity to kind of step away from the business of life. Kind of just open yourself up to anything really like if you as long as you’ve got like a collection of magazines, you just kind of you fan through it and pick out kind of whatever is stimulating you, right? And then and then you can kind of see down there we can call it like divine guidance if we want or just call it like a almost like a Ouija board except for like what you’re calling forth. It’s just like, what’s what’s piquing my interest these days where, you know, where should I be spending more of my attention, and then you you kind of see this picture unfold in front of you. And you could, you know, almost take a look at that as a divination tool, right?

Raine Dalrymple 43:50
Yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:51
So So, ya know, it’s interesting, if

Raine Dalrymple 43:52
you don’t have a bunch of magazines around, you can, you know, because we’re also tech savvy, you know, to a point, you can go online and you can just start pulling pictures, you know, off, you know, pixels and, and that kind of gives you an indication as well, you know, create a collage on your on your computer, right. So there’s a lot of different ways we can do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:13
I love that. So there’s a couple nice examples where somebody could actually just kind of go out there and do that today if they wanted to. So I love being able to share that. Another one that you’ve got another one of your courses here is the business business savvy empath. You know, talk to us a little bit about that because I think that, you know, that’s that’s a place where you know, a lot of people are in business, right. But not everyone in business is a you know, has empathy and or vice versa. The empath may be like, well, I don’t want to be in a business setting because they’re all gonna they’re gonna they’re gonna harsh my mellow. Right, right.

Raine Dalrymple 44:47
Well, the business of empath is just about how can I hack? How can I hack my imagination and my spirit connection, to better understand how I can run my business in a productive way. You know, it’s, it’s not only a logical, but it’s a creative again, those two, two facets coming together to help a person understand, you know, back in the day, you know, they talked about you know, when you’re climbing the corporate ladder, you know, in the, you know, there’s a lot of, you know, mean stuff that goes on when when that sort of things happens, you know, you’re stepping on people’s toes and that sort of thing. And when we, when we tap into, and when we’re showing how to tap into our own unique nature of consciousness, we realize there’s room for everybody, there’s room for everybody to be successful, whether it’s in, you know, a corporate company, or whether we’re running our own business. And, you know, it may get to a point where you are in the corporate world, which many people have been, and they’ve left that corporate world to branch off and run their own business. And so it’s just really tools and techniques of a spiritual nature as well as the logical nature that we look at, on how can we tap into what can best guide us to being successful? You know, in our, in our, in our genre of what we’re doing? Do we have blocks there? Do we have money blocks? Do we have? Are we do we have a fear of success, right? versus the fear of fear of failure. So all of those things play play into that, right? And just helping a person to, to personally develop themselves, which obviously affects our business world, right? Because, you know, it’s about walking, walking the talk, right? So whatever we’re doing in our personal world, you know, for sleeping until noon, and, and that’s okay, if that’s your schedule, some people are just not morning people, and they want to sleep until noon. And then they’re up till midnight, running their business, because of the nature of it. So it’s also coming to understand what is my schedule? What do you know? What, what is conducive for me? You know, so that’s just a practical way of looking at it. Right? And, and just also saying, Okay, well, if I want to, you know, I want to get up at six or 7am and beat beat the mad rush, and I want to get out knock on business doors, than I have to get up. You don’t have to get up at seven. So there’s, it’s just a lot of, basically, that course, is converging the two together to help it work for you.

Brandon Handley 47:43
think that that’s a that’s a great one right? For especially, especially new, as we talked about earlier is, you know, once you once you kind of hit that spiritual high, it’s really hard to come back down, right, and then you know, so sounds to me, like this would be something that would help somebody that’s had a spiritual high as like, Alright, let’s get to you know, reintegrated. Let’s take some of what you’re learning here of what you’re feeling and help you to integrate that into your, your daily work life. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s huge. Because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of that out there. So thank you for you know, being any one of the people that’s trying to, to get people to recognize that in themselves

Raine Dalrymple 48:29
for that pass. Yeah, help

Unknown Speaker 48:32
them to clean it up.

Raine Dalrymple 48:33
I mean, we know that we know it’s changing, you know, we know that the dynamics of work are changing. And the numbers of people working online has massively increased, and it will continue to grow. So, you know, some people don’t even know what they want to do yet. So you know, connecting with me and us just, you know, hashing over things and, you know, doing some strategizing and incorporating that intuition that can help to lead them into and onto a path that would be productive and satisfying for them to experience fulfilling right are all looking for fulfillment

Brandon Handley 49:17
that’s the gist of all this right the gist of the podcast is that and of itself, right? How do you again take your you know, your spiritual self or integrated spirituality, material, you know, all of it for a more fulfilling life? Right? And that’s, you know, so that sounds like what your sounds like what you’re sharing out there as well and trying to get you know, people woken to the you know, again, waking to the the greatness that they have within or at least to

Raine Dalrymple 49:49
be aware of it at least,

Brandon Handley 49:51
you know, recognizing the the light within the passion within the whatever, you know, whatever gets you up. Yeah, right.

Raine Dalrymple 49:59
Ever is gonna ignite All

Brandon Handley 50:00
right, ignite you and then you know, kind of kind of continue to fan that flame in, I would imagine a controlled way, right? In a way that says, Let’s, let’s direct us towards a positive outcome, and a good way for you to go forward, right? Because I think that we see a lot of that too. Where again, you get so high, you never come back down, right. And you know, you’re not able to apply that, bring it back down and share it with the rest of world and it gets kind of lost in the ether. Right? So thank you for THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, writing the book, thank you for creating these courses. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, say to share, you know, what it is that you’re creating and bringing into the world today? Where, where should I send people to connect with you Ray?

Raine Dalrymple 50:48
Well, obviously, they can go to the website sight beyond sight.org, they can email me at sight Beyond Sight 222, at gmail.com, they can also give me a call or shoot me a text at 306-980-7758. Any of those, any of those ways that they want to reach out is fine. I do have some books left not many now from the pre sale package I bought, and I’ll be ordering more of the books so they can get the book directly through me. So all they have to do is message me and I can get it out to them right away. And they can also find it through freeze and press the freeze and press bookstore. And also through Amazon. My understanding Amazon has the price marked up a bit. But $8 I think so whatever, you know, whatever way that they, you know, see fit to, to order it, they can also get the E book through me directly. And if they do decide to sign up for, you know, the membership packages that I have the monthly membership packages, which are basically a $120 package for 4997. They can get the book free. I’ve done a lot of incentives out there.

Brandon Handley 52:05
Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like you’ve got a lot to offer. And, you know, for anybody that’s listening in today. Listen, I think that you know, Ryan’s got some really great materials out there that are really going to help you to open up to yourself and then also be able to apply it to wherever it is that you’re guided to.

Raine Dalrymple 52:25
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed it.

Brandon Handley 52:28
Absolutely. Happy to have you on all right.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever thought that something is missing in your life? Do you feel that you’re not quite alive with what you’re doing? You’re not alone, but it can certainly feel like you are. People like living and showing things they’re proud of and hiding away their shame, hurt, and frustrations. Choose the brighter and positive things to be happy, right?

But, here’s the hard truth: you need to accept everything about yourself, even the parts that you despise.

In this episode, we are joined by Deb Levine to talk about her journey into mediumship. She shares that when people are faced with messages from the Spirit World, they can discover their true, authentic selves. Deb also shares the importance of finding and reconnecting with your higher self.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about mediumship and how to live your authentic self!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways mediums work and how they can help people discover their truths.
  2. Discover the importance of trusting yourself and living authentically.
  3. Learn how we’re all connected and how you can be a source of good to others.

Resources

Episode Highlights

[02:19] Learn to Trust Yourself

  • Trust your soul because you won’t be able to get guidance and answers from anything external. 
  • Deb shares that her journey of self-trust is still ongoing. It’s a long journey and a process of continuous discovery. 
  • There are traits that we are proud of and some we are ashamed of. We need to learn to embrace our duality to become our true, authentic selves. 
  • Remember, you may be the problem, but you are also the solution.

[07:08] Deb’s Work as a Medium

  • Every medium works with energy, but mediums don’t work in the same way. 
  • Some mediums will be very factual, while some work intuitively. 
  • Deb shares that her work is more intuitive and helps people dig deep into their subconscious. 
  • Deb emphasizes that she does not heal people; she just guides them. 
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the intricacies of Deb’s Mediumship. 

[15:33] The Shift to Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her method is rooted in how she dealt with her anxiety and stress.
  • Before mediumship, Deb used to be in advertising and public relations. However, she jumped from job to job because nothing stuck with her. 
  • All she knew is that she wanted to help others, and her strength was relating to people. 
  • If you’re feeling a bit lost in life, be inspired by Deb’s journey to finding her true calling in the entire episode. 

[22:10] Managing Emotions and Energy

  • Deb shares that when she was younger, she felt many emotions and seemed to absorb energy from others. 
  • Eventually, this manifested as anxiety and ADHD in her life. 
  • Deb needed to learn how to grab hold of her energy and redirect it. 
  • Wanting to silence the noise and energy, Deb used to look for external sources like food and sweets. 
  • Tune in to the full episode to listen to Deb’s experiences and how she eventually learned to manage her energy. 

[38:17] Live Your Authentic Truth

  • For Deb, mediumship is a way of living her authentic truth. 
  • You don’t have to be something to be enough. You just need to live your highest self. 
  • Living your authentic truth may sound cliche, but you need to understand this on a deeper level. 
  • You also can’t help someone else be their authentic self. Their truth is theirs alone.

[42.49] Insights Into Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her job is not to impose anything on anyone. Her work is about being where her client is. 
  • Mediumship is not about the medium but the connection to the client. 
  • Deb can help people discover their truths by using the knowledge of the Spirit World. 
  • The experience is all about healing and hope. It’s not dark or fearful.  
  • We all have a connection to our higher selves; we just need to ignite it. 

[47:08] Be a Ripple of Goodness

  • Understand that we don’t live in isolation; we are all connected. 
  • People have their unique gifts, and that does not make them better than anyone else. 
  • Use your greatest gift to live authentically and passionately. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“The most important thing when I say to trust yourself, it’s really to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external.”

“The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self-development journey. It’s always changing.”

”Mediumship is not spirit communication or just intuitive mediumship; [it] is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life.”

“A mediumship session is not just spirit communication, but it can be. The medium has no control over the Spirit World, [which] knows what my client needs. It’s only going to be hopeful, helpful, or healing; there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful.”

“We’re all extensions of one another.  We really can support one another and be each other’s cheerleaders. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry is calling, there’s not one more special than the other.”

About Deb

Deb Levine is a medium and intuitive who connects with loved ones who have passed. Through her gift, she brings hopeful, helpful, and healing messages from the Spirit World to the physical world. She offers mediumship sessions through her website. This can include communicating with loved ones in Spirit or helping you gain insight on your past or current issues. 

Before her mediumship, Deb used to feel aimless jumping from job to job. Her previous works were not fulfilling, especially since she knew what she wanted to do: help people. Throughout adulthood, her gifts continued to unfold and appear in her life until she had no choice but to accept them.

You can reach out to Deb on Instagram, Facebook, or through email.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. We are on today with my friend, Deb Razar. And Deb, I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this, but um, you’re one of the main reasons actually, that I am doing this podcast, you were a kind of a catalyst for, you know, help me get the leap into spiritual dope, I’m just gonna let you know that just by doing kind of what you did, I said, that was a friend of mags from way back in the day, like childhood days, she’s an evidential, medium, and intuitive. She, you know, she helps people kind of like, connect with their loved ones who have passed. And I’m just kind of reading your bio off right now. And you know, you know, your calling is to serve the spirit world while bringing hopeful, helpful and healing messages. To me, you, your loved ones in the physical world. No, but your medium, right. And like it took you a while to just kind of accept your gifts. Right? And, you know, when you would share this coming out letter magazine, or virtually coming out letter, what’s this going to be about?

Deb Levine 1:09
Well, she told me what she thought it was about.

Unknown Speaker 1:11
Now, it’s not that

Deb Levine 1:13
there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s not bad,

Brandon Handley 1:15
per se. So this coming out letter was like, you know, I’m a medium coming out letter. And I thought that was a I thought that was kind of an entertaining thing. And then you had given me a reading that connected me with my grandfather. And, you know, the catalyst, just just so you know. He knows like, Yeah, I was like, well, you’re kind of like stepping out and doing this thing. And I was like, What the hell am I holding myself back for? Right? I was like, I was like, the time is now. And, you know, just kind of stepping into it. So you know, I want a quick, I’m gonna start this off with a thank you, you know, for helping be the catalyst inspiration and a part of the journey. So thank you,

Deb Razar 1:51
You’re quite welcome. Happy I could be a part of that.

Brandon Handley 1:54
And, and then I always start us off with something, this would be an easy one for you. I always start these off with, you know, source, as you know, divine energy speaks through us, right. And we are here to get today to speak to somebody who’s listening in on this podcast, right? And there’s a there’s a message that can only be delivered right now, through you to that person, what is that message today?

Deb Razar 2:19
The biggest, the first thing that comes to me is to really trust in yourself. If you don’t, first and foremost trust in yourself, especially in the field that I hate saying the field that I’m in, but with what I do, it’s impossible for me to trust in what I’m, you know, hearing subjectively, from the spirit world. And the most important thing, when I say to trust yourself, it’s to really, you know, they say there’s intuition, gut instinct, but it’s really to trust your soul to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external. It’s not going to come from anybody else, you can ask for 50 opinions from 50 friends and family members. And really, ultimately, what matters is that you trust what your soul is telling you. That’s probably my biggest message.

Brandon Handley 3:06
So where do you feel like you You? First, finally learned to trust that for yourself?

Deb Levine 3:14
Well, it was definitely not an overnight thing, as I’m sure you know, because I know that you’ve done a lot of, I call it self development work. And I think we’re all works in progress. And I’m not done, I’ll never be done. I mean, until the day I physically leave this earth. But this was a long journey. For me, really, I say, on my website, sort of back to myself. Because the way I’m living now is very true to me, and very authentically, but it wasn’t always like that. So I think it was a process of really coming. I don’t I would say, coming to terms with but understanding that there’s a real duality to me to each of us. And there’s, you know, there are a lot of things that we don’t particularly care about ourselves, we, you know, traits that, Oh, I wish I wasn’t so stubborn, or I wish I wasn’t so, so messy in my case. And there were these qualities that I have that I would really shame myself for a variety of things you would a podcast isn’t long enough for me to tell you what I used to shame myself for. And then they’re there. The other part of that duality are the things that I’m proud of the parts of my personality that that I really feel good about that the things that I’m not afraid for others to see. I feel like a lot of us walk around and, and we show one side of us, we show the side that we think is safe, because we all just want to be seen. But yet if you think about it, we’re not truly being seen if we don’t really show who we are at the soul level, so I can show you something and make myself look good. And yeah, look at my kids. They’re all perfectly dressed. And my house is so neat, which it’s not this is just an example, but that may be what I’m presenting, but that may not be what is authentically me. And that was my that was my journey. If you will, that I needed to reconcile the fact that there were all these things that I really wasn’t happy with with myself. And instead of complaining about it, and or shaming myself about it, I realized I was the problem, but I was also the solution. And so in order to do something about it, I had to take that journey inward, which no one likes to do, because it is quite honestly the most uncomfortable journey ever. And that’s the journey back into ourselves. And it sounds super cheesy, but it’s, it’s really the truth, I had to come back to myself. And sort of, it’s almost like, if you picture like a big toy box, you open a toy box, and you kind of take everything out, you want to see what’s in there, I had to kind of assess and look at everything and say, Okay, these are the things that really aren’t working for me, or these are the things that, you know, they’re just sort of inherently a part of my nature. And I’m not in love with him. And I don’t love other people seeing them. But it was a matter of really accepting those things about myself forgiving myself for the things that the things that I wasn’t super jazzed about, but also realizing that all of those things that were more, I call them the shadow side. They were also there to teach me a lot of great lessons. And without them, you know, I wouldn’t really be able to focus on the light those qualities that were really helping me be my best self, they have to coexist, they can’t be mutually exclusive, because that is what makes up is my perspective only but that’s what makes up the soul. Both of those the balance that duality. And so that was my,

Brandon Handley 6:38
yeah, I’m with you. Right, the so I’ve got that jotted down for one second. You know what, I think that I don’t do the best job of this part. Right? Let’s let’s do let’s do a real quick from your from your mouth, right? Like you’re doing a medium, you are medium. Now, I’m a little bit more about kind of what you’re doing in this space, right, just so people kind of get an idea of your spiritual journey and spot right now.

Deb Levine 7:08
Well, thank you for asking that. Because I think a lot of people and as you said, I’m a medium I I’m able to connect with people that have passed, is that the only thing I do not remotely, in fact, it’s a very tiny part of what my mediumship is. Now, if you have 10 different mediums on your podcast, we are not all going to work the same way. Now what we what we all will work with is energy, every medium will tell you that. However, there are mediums that will be very, very factual, they’ll be able to sit and I’ll be able to tell you things about your grandfather, they’ll name 30 facts, you know, he was an atheist, and he you know, worked in a in a shipyard and all these things and, and that is to prove that that life exists once the there is the death of the physical body. So am I able to provide evidence that our loved ones still exist? past the death of the physical body? Yes, I am. But what my sessions are really about I had one client tell me it was almost like I held a mirror to her soul. I was like, Wow, that’s really deep. I almost call it like a very gentle soul excavation, if you will. Because what I’m doing is I work intuitively, if as much if not more, so then I’m working with spirit loved ones. And this has probably changed a lot. And I don’t I can’t remember our reading to be quite honest. But I feel like there may have been a mix, but now it’s even more. So when I’m reading a client intuitively, I’m telling them about their personality and things about their life. Yeah, you could say well, why would someone want to pay to be told things they already know about themselves. But that’s just how we start then we go deeper. And and I like to say I am not a fortune teller. I do not predict anyone’s future. That’s not what any medium really should be doing ethically and morally, we don’t know what holds for people’s future because there is freewill. You have the choice to make about your own life. But what I am able to do is to go deeper beneath your subconscious and sort of when I say excavate, gently pull out things that you are aware of, on some level, but on a deeper soul level when I’m showing them to you when I’m holding up that mirror. It’s taken in a much different way. I’m almost I’m I feel like a session with me can help bring someone back to themselves. I’m not doing any healing. I’m not healing people. I’m not you know, waving some kind of crystal wand. That’s that’s not my job. That’s not what I do. But with the spirit world facilitating with loved ones in spirit shining in now I talk about the loved ones personalities and the relationship between them and my client. And the healing that can take place when dad in spirit is talking about his personality and maybe challenges that he had when he was alive in the physical world. And dad son is facing something similar. It’s almost like this light bulb goes off that the messages that the loved ones in spirit are bringing to my client are those in that moment that are meant for my clients greatest good and soul’s highest purpose. And there’s a lot of growth and a lot of shift that can happen. It’s also I have on my website, I will not see clients unless there’s been six months in between each reading. Because look just like when you go to therapy, you’re not going to change overnight. I’m not a therapist, I’m not certified in any of that kind of thing. But even with a with a with a session with a medium like myself, what I’m presenting you is going to sit with you for a bit, and it’s going to cause you to sort of, you know, there’s a lot of self reflection that happens afterwards, there’s a lot of there is a lot of healing that can take place. But the healing is on the part of my client, I can’t do that work for someone. And maybe the client says, alright, well, that was okay. I’ll just take that for what it’s worth. And, and I may never hear from them again, I tend to have a lot of repeat clients. After six months, I always say six months to a year. And I just had I can think of three women I’ve had over the past week and a half. When they came on the screen on the zoom screen there, I could feel their energy had changed so much, it’s the best feeling for what I do, because I get so excited for them. Just the wholeness that I felt from them the shift, what they were emanating, I could feel that. And that’s the power of the work that that I have been called to do. And that I feel so grateful to do because the change that really can occur, it’s almost like I was given this blessing of having this torch, and we all have torches, right but some of us our lights gone dim a little bit, some of us the lights gone out, if I can just assist and help someone like their torch, it’s their job to keep that torch going, it’s not going to be my job. But the fact that I can help light someone back up again, there’s nothing greater to be able to offer to people. So that’s kind of in a long way. That’s kind of what I do at spirit communication. It’s intuitive work, it’s all combined to help my client get to a deeper part of themselves. Really.

Brandon Handley 12:10
Wow, that’s awesome, right? It’s kind of interesting, right? You said you started off with you know, how every medium is a little bit different. And in the image that came to my mind is you know, you just simply different lenses, right, simply different lenses, different perspectives different, you know, I’m thinking of like crystals and prisms even like different ways of refracting that energy. Right? So different way different ways of kind of refracting that love to the, you know, a mirror to the soul. And I think that that’s, you know, I don’t I don’t the term lightworkers not not my jam, but I guess this as close as I can get right.

Deb Razar 12:46
I don’t use the term either. But I yeah,

Brandon Handley 12:48
does that mean you know when you’re just kind of in circles and everybody’s you know, doing something similar as we are we’re you know, you are showing someone the light within them right themselves and helping to extract that and

Deb Levine 13:01
everybody has it. And I believe me, I know from experience, there are times when it is so hard to find that within yourself I have the reason I this all came smack dab in my face there were there were always I mean, this is who I’ve been since I’ve been a little kid. But the reason that this came out, as it did was because of the the difficulties that I had in the work I was doing with myself that there were serious anxiety and stresses and, and that brought me to where I am currently.

Brandon Handley 13:34
I think what’s interesting, too, right? A big part of what you’re talking about is, you know, you you you shoved your light down for so long, right and you you shoved your own light down so long. And then you talk about doing this shadow Shadow Work. And what’s funny is the more the more I think about the Disney Peter Pan, you know, the more the more I realized that like you know, you know how we lost a shadow. And then so back on like, I’m like, oh, wow, that was pretty potent stuff. Yeah. All right. But the idea of going back in and and accepting all of who you are, allows you to bring that authentic self that you’re talking about come out and share exactly who you are with everybody else and just kind of like it’s a it’s a more powerful but gentler way of being I would agree right? Um, and I also love the idea of like you know, once one you know so one session with you is basically a six month to a year value, right? It’s kind of I mean, you know, you know it to spend like you know value into that but that’s kind of what it is and then you bring it you know how and that’s how we open it up right like you helped me kind of bring me back to myself through the connection with my kind of grandfather and and by showing that like you know, you can just stop into who you are, and just go do your hell with it. I mean, what’s gonna happen? Right, exactly right. Yeah. And so you know, lots of stuff packed in there. And then you talk about, like, you know, the shift in energy. But I’d like to hear you kind of, again, where? Before you were doing media, and I don’t actually, I actually don’t know. So before you were doing medium work, what kind of work were you doing, like what was, you know, kind of paint the picture before stepping into that, and then illustrate maybe your shift and acceptance of who you are.

Deb Levine 15:32
Okay. So before all this, I mean, and I still am, I, I’m a mom. And I used to say, I’m just a mom. And now I’ve scribbled that word, just out with black sharpie, because that is, you know, from from parenting there, there’s never it’s not just a mom or just a dad, even I mean, it’s a parenting is, you know, and, and I parent with my full self, and I try to be as present as I can with my kids. My background, and where Meg and I went to college. My background is in advertising and public relations, I was always into creative writing, I really thought it’d be cool to be the next Amanda Woodward. Because you know, we were all into Melrose Place back then not that that’ll date me. But that was not a really practical thing, because you had to, you know, move to New York or LA, which I wasn’t prepared to do at the time. So I fled my East Coast roots and and came out to Arizona, and I ended up working in radio for about four and a half years. And I was on the sales side of things. So I was in advertising technically, but I was on the sales side of things. And my managers, this is funny, I two nicknames I was called at this is great at 23. Everyone would love to be called This Old Mother Hubbard. And I was called everyone’s conscience. I didn’t know whether or not to take that as an insult or a compliment. It’s just kind of funny. Now looking back on what I do, there was there was a lot of CD stuff happening in radio, a lot of my older men cheating. And it was just it was icky. And so here I was the young one in the group, I was one of the youngest. And they thought of me as their conscience, which I laugh now it sort of makes sense a bit. Not that I was an angel by any means. But it’s just kind of funny thinking about that. And then, you know, I wasn’t happy with what I did. In fact, I was I was the George Costanza of my office, my sister used to crack up because I would act all stress, and I have these deadlines, but I was really going into the coffee room because there was a copy room then. And I was photocopying off of the internet recipes from Epicurious and food.com. I kid you not when I was done in radio, I hope my bosses are my own bosses aren’t listening to this. I probably had a binder this thick. I’ve always been a cook and a baker. And baking has always been a passion. So I left radio and I went to Baking and Pastry school for a year I worked for a wholesale bakery. Then I started working for Jenny Craig, which everyone cracks up like, okay, at first, I’m making the baked goods and I’m helping people lose the weight. The takeaway from this is that I had no idea what I wanted to do. I had friends, childhood friends, people make nose, they were all successful. They worked for wall street, and they were pharmaceutical sales reps and occupational therapists, and they had these big jobs. And they made these big salaries. And I was going from job to job to job and I remember saying to my parents, I just don’t want to work at a desk in an office. And my dad said, what does that mean? You want to be a plumber? And I’m like, No, I just I want to help people. And I just want to do something that feels good. And you know, I was just like living on another planet. I had no attention span for anything. Every job I was bored, instantly. pastry school I loved but I didn’t love baking for somebody else. And right at the end of my reign at Jenny Craig, I was I was a program director, I did sales, I love the emotional part of that I dealt with, you know, I was overweight on and off throughout my life. So to work with people like that one on one, it really it felt like I was giving back in some way. And then at the end of that I quit a week before I had my daughter, and I haven’t been back in the quote unquote, workforce, the real workforce. Um, you know, I started working for myself. So

what I realized was, I was floating around because nothing stuck with me. And you know, like a lot of people do. That doesn’t mean that everybody’s a medium because you can’t find what you want. But I just knew that I wasn’t the kind of person that cared a lot about making money, and I wish I had been is maybe I would have, you know, found some big career and stuck with it. But I always I just want to do something that you know, where I feel good about what I do, where I feel like it’s really making a difference. And you know, it’s so cheesy to say that because so many people say and I was young when I said it, but I would get into something. In radio, for example, they gave me the difficult clients, the ones that had were going through divorce, the ones that someone had died, I made the least amount of money I was the least paying sales rep and some of these sales reps made well into the six figures. I was making nothing but I’ve been on the phone for hours with my clients and oh, they’re breaking up with the boyfriend. They’re going to talk to Deb and we’ll get another deal out of it because they trusted me My strength I suck at sales. I hate asking people for money. It’s so uncomfortable for me. But what I don’t second is relating to people. I’ve always always always related with people my first job when I moved to Arizona three weeks I work for enterprise rent a car. Sorry, enterprise rent a car. crappiest job I’ve ever had will pick you up. You know, that was the phrase. And here I am. It’s 115 in Arizona. If forget about the dry heat, it’s freaking hot. And I’m wearing I had to wear a suit with pantyhose. No laughs It was so awful. I was sweating. But the people I picked up by the end, they became my friends to the point where after three weeks, the last lady I picked up. She said, You’re here this dynamic personality, what are you doing driving for enterprise, she said, We need someone in our events marketing. Here’s my card, call me I’m gonna get you an interview. And I thought, well, she’s not going to remember she did. And a week later, I was working for her company as an event planner. So I just kept jumping job to job to job The only thing consistent was that I love relating to people. I’ve always loved it. So it makes sense. My medium should make sense because not only my relating to my clients, but I’m also relating to their loved ones in spirit who are still people just people not in the physical sense. So they have stories to tell. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Not non corporeal presence, right? Yeah. Yeah. So So. Right, I love I love that, you know, kind of hopping around, nothing kind of fits. I love the idea of the and I love cooking too. And here’s how I relate to kind of being in the kitchen. You’re, you’re connected to like a creative source. And that’s for sure you’re in the creation process during Yeah, so you’re, you’re, you have to be all in. Yeah, when you’re cooking, because otherwise it falls apart. Right. So you have to pay attention. That’s one of the things I haven’t cooked in a while. And I’ve kind of missed that, because of that. So, you know, when is the point where, you know, accept the shift into your medium, ship your gifts and say, You know what, it’s now’s the time to make a go of this thing.

Deb Levine 22:10
You know, it was kind of like the I often I think a lot of people have to get to what, you know, they call it the dark night of the soul. It’s so dramatic. But I never know what that meant, until I really felt like I was there. And I say that, obviously, with the caveat that that’s different for everyone. I mean, there are people that have really lived through severe tragedy. I have not lived through any kind of tragedy like that. But for my own world, what I was dealing with my anxiety, which I’ve had since I was a little kid, which what’s fascinating is and all of these mediumship courses and workshops and and groups that I’m I’ve been in and still a part of, I don’t know that I’ve met one medium that has not had anxiety or or does not have, you know, chronic anxiety. Whether it’s social anxiety, whether it’s because when you’re feeling all of the emotions, and you have other people and what I didn’t know how to deal with energy. At that time, I didn’t know that I didn’t need to take on everyone’s energy that was around me in a room. And why was I feeling so sad? Why am I depressed? I didn’t realize that I was picking that up from, you know, someone in my college class that I was sitting next to all the time. I didn’t have knowledge of that then. But what happened was, it really all came to a head for me when my grandmother who was one of my dearest friends, she died at 102. And I felt her Well, I mean, there were a lot of things that have been building up to it. But my anxiety had taken on legs right around the time when she died. And after she died. It was to the point where it didn’t just feel like regular anxiety anymore. So I’ve been in and out of therapy for years. Just you know, because it’s been very helpful. I’ve had a sister that’s been ill. So I was always in therapy for one thing or another. And my therapist who I really love and trust, my anxiety was just an awesome I remember her telling me She’s like, yep, I was like, there’s a mile a minute and she’s like, just take a pause and breathe. And she made me take a couple breaths just to kind of slow down and she said while I’m breathing, she’s running around behind me and her filing cabinet and she pulls out this like pamphlet of paper stapled in the corner. And she hands it to me and she starts talking and I’m not really listening to her because I can never do two things at once and this kind of explained why and I’m going through it I didn’t even read the top I just there were all these questions and asked you to rate yourself on a zero meaning on the low end to a to attend. And everything was an eight or a nine there. Oh, I can’t I can’t remember I’m having a heart You know, having a hard time finishing a project or getting sidetracked very easily like it when someone’s talking to you not being able to focus or or becoming too focused spending too much time on one thing. And I’m like, Well, I’m like, Why are you giving me and we know I have anxiety? And and then she said, That’s not an assessment for anxiety. It’s an assessment for ADHD. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 25:11
What are you talking about? Well is

Deb Levine 25:12
ADHD? I mean, I would have like that’s something that kids have, you know, when it well come to find out that one of the most Miss diagnosed group of people with ADHD are women in their mid 40s. Because what happens is forgetfulness, that was nothing like memory, that can be hormones, you know, perimenopausal which I am not sorry for the TMI, but it can be hormones, it can be all these things. And interestingly enough, anxiety is a, what’s the word I want? is a culprit if you will have ADHD. So it’s almost like what comes first the chicken or the egg, the anxiety happens because of the attention deficit, hyper focus disorder. So in children, that h is hyperactive, in adults, it’s height for me, it’s hyper focus. So I was I was going to bed at four o’clock in the morning. Okay, I’m on my laptop, because I’d seen a woman This is a true story with a cute pair of shoes. And I said, Where do you find them? I don’t know. I got them six years ago. Oh, damned if I wasn’t gonna find that pair of shoes. I can tell you. I’m online. I’m gonna find those shoes. Meanwhile, I’ve got the Real Housewives of some city on TV. I’m eating chocolate constantly eating chocolate because I had a problem with sugar. I could not get enough sugar. Well, then it was explained. Of course, you couldn’t get enough sugar, because what your brain is missing is that serotonin release. And that’s what sugar gives you. My other love. In addition to baking and eating chocolate is exercise and fitness. I’ve been into weightlifting. Since I was 17 and intense workouts. I was into CrossFit. All that. Well. That’s another thing that’s going to produce the serotonin and the dopamine release in my brain. So all of a sudden, everything sort of started to make sense. Now, I don’t like to use this as Oh, well, I have ADHD. So my house is a mess. I mean, my house is a mess. And maybe it’s partly my ADHD maybe it’s just because I didn’t feel like cleaning it. But what I want people to know and I was in I think, you know, I was in a documentary on Amazon Prime with with one of my mentors amazing medium Suzanne Wilson. She’s known as the carefree medium

Brandon Handley 27:17
with the documentary.

Deb Levine 27:19
It the series is called life to afterlife by Craig McMahon is the producer. And there’s there’s several in that series and the one I’m in I hate the title, though. Sorry, Craig. It’s really cringy it’s, I want to speak to the dead. It’s a little sensationalized, because it’s not like that the documentary is not like that. I did not set out because I wanted to try to speak to the dead. I couldn’t help it. So I’m just tossing that out there. But

Brandon Handley 27:43
real quick, one of the things that I that I find interesting, right is this relationship to the anxiety and the energy field and the mediums and it’s interesting how you kind of tell tell it is, you know, you weren’t aware of a way to kind of grab hold of the energy, protect yourself and redirect the energy that was coming through you. Right, right. And I hate to do that, but I always liken it to like, these, like old kung fu master flicks, right. You know, or even like, you know, the, you know, you know, the teacher will appear when the student is ready.

Deb Razar 28:18
I love that. I

Brandon Handley 28:18
love that. But it so happens, right? So, so happens, then you My guess is at some point, you know, you run into a teacher, you have some conversations, and you’re like, how do you know so much about what I’m going through? Yep. Tell me exactly. Yeah, tell me.

Deb Levine 28:36
So what I was going to tell you about about the the documentary, The reason I brought it up is because when Suzanne approached me to participate in it, I said to myself, I’m going to do this, but I’m going to make sure that everything I say is my truth. And then I’m completely authentic. Craig did a great job with the with the editing, because on my hands, I’m all over the place that you know, I’m affiliate girl, that’s how we talk with our hands. But I did speak about my ADHD on there, and I would I had some people that’s Oh, you don’t want to divulge that and people are gonna judge you. Number one, I’m not concerned about being judged anymore at all. And that that is a true statement.

Brandon Handley 29:15
And that’s what I mean, right? Like, I mean, how liberating is

Deb Levine 29:18
so liberating. You don’t? I mean, it’s amazing. But more importantly, I needed to speak my truth. Because if one person heard me and felt like this, again, everything I say feel like is so cliche, but if I can help one person, but it’s true, and I’ve actually had so many people reach out to me randomly on Facebook Messenger saying, I really connected to you, because I also you know, I thought that I was just really unmotivated or really lazy or and it doesn’t mean that every person that reached out to me feels like they’re a medium. This is only a part of my own personal journey. But I it upsets me that there is a stigma and for children as well. This is something that never popped up in My, in my childhood, maybe it was there in subtle ways. I mean, I was a good student, but I had to, like I had to be in a room with no noise. Like I had friends who could study with music on and talking, I needed to total quiet otherwise my mind was listening and taking in everything around me. But I also need to express that I don’t define myself like, Oh, I’m an adult with ADHD, it’s one little bit of me and I actually have a mentor that thinks that I really may not have it, that it might be just sort of all the other things in my life that that were were big stressors. And maybe that’s true, too, you know,

Brandon Handley 30:37
so so here’s the thing that, you know, I’ll you know, if you don’t mind, I’ll share my take on this now, right. Like, I mean, we were raised to be distracted. I mean, look at all the different courses, I mean, that we had to take, right look at, you know, the television programming, 20 minute blocks, you know, or 10 to 15 minute blocks, and then, you know, six minutes of 32nd commercials, we were trained to be fucking confused and D rains. Right. And so here’s the result. And, and, you know, so the reason, my reason for saying that, you know, you don’t have an attention to or like you’re hyper active or whatever deficit because that’s, it worked. The training worked, which is which is which is, you know, which brings us back to, you know, reconnecting with yourself, which is what you’ve done,

Deb Levine 31:28
and you literally just touched on something because as you were saying that he like this light bulb bulb went off and it was gonna bring me back around to the point where you use the word distracting, like there have always been so many distractions. And for me, what my distractions were whether they were connected to ADHD or not, I needed at that heightened point of anxiety I needed my distractions where I’ve never been a drinker. It’s chocolate lit like food, it specifically sweets, and I would binge on chocolate, and then I would go into a shame spiral about it. But what the chocolate was doing I was numbing everything I did the online shopping the watching too much reality TV, having it all at once. It was a way to quiet the noise. Now remember, I’m a medium. So there was all this noise, this energy coming from everywhere. Think about it. How is that going to? How is that going to silence it? I didn’t know what I was dealing with. So I use every external source it’s a good thing. I don’t like alcohol and I’ve never been into drugs because I probably would be you know in a right now. I’m not making fun of that. But I’m being serious.

Brandon Handley 32:31
No, that’d be a definitely be. Just another another thing to pile on top. Yeah. Did you ever try a foil helmet?

Deb Razar 32:43
Or being here is

Brandon Handley 32:44
semi facetious, right, like but I mean, if you if you you know the Gerrish I put on like a foil helmet to stop, like, all the noises right now. And when I don’t, okay, you know, like, I mean, honestly, like, I mean, if, like, you know, if, again, if I’m, if I’m having all these things happen, I’m just thinking, like, you know, I could see myself actually doing that at some point, especially like, if all these noises are always coming through, and I don’t have a teacher, I don’t have a guide. We didn’t get that in fifth grade. We got, you know, we got phys ed and other things, but we didn’t, we didn’t we didn’t we didn’t train it, you know,

Deb Razar 33:15
to the disease.

Brandon Handley 33:17
You know, that wasn’t an option. Right. All right. So so i would i would literally probably see myself putting putting try trying it right. How do I how do I quiet it?

Deb Levine 33:26
Well, here’s the thing is that when I say all the noise and the distraction at this particular time, it was I wasn’t hearing from spirit people. I it was, it was the energy, it was the emotion it was I was like a sponge. And it’s a lot to be a sponge for everybody else. And I’ve been this way since I was a little kid, if if someone in my family was having a bad day, I was feeling the bad day, which is probably why I ended up in therapy. Each time my sister had cancer, she never complained. She was a warrior. But I is like, I wanted to take all of that on. And I think in a way energetically I did and and so I was, you know, super, super low. And look, there’s always going to be stuff, there’s always going to be stuff happening around. when I really started hearing from the spirit world when I say that now there are mediums that hear objectively, meaning, you know, oh, I hear voices in my head. I don’t hear voices in my head. Just to clarify, and I’m not saying this to joke because they’re mediums that objectively hear like your grandfather in the spirit world. They might say like, I see your grandfather behind your right shoulder. That is not how it’s come for me. Now. The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self development journey. It’s always changing always. So may I eventually at some point, see someone’s loved one sitting next to them. I may but as of right now, the way I say it is it’s like a picture in my mind’s eye if I asked you right now, to remember your favorite scenes from your favorite movie, and like play it in your mind like it’s a real you could see right you could see the people what they’re doing. You could even hear your favorite line even though you’re not hearing it being played in your ear. So when I explain that I see an eye here that is subjectively, okay, that’s really important. So it wasn’t that I was I was being bombarded by like, Hey, can you get a hold of my nephew? And hey, can you get a hold of my daughter of it? Because that would that would really drive someone crazy probably. And there is a huge stigma that we’re all nuts, right? I mean, it was like, you know, I should have come on with the headscarf and, and the others patolli everywhere around me and I just burned my Sage actually did burn a little sage, I do like sage. And there’s nothing wrong with petroleum headscarves, and all those things. But the point is, and yes, I’m holding a crystal because my holy and crystal grounds me like I tend to be like very up here. And so it grounds me whenever I am, whenever I need to discuss or when I’m in a reading I typically will hold will hold some form of stone. But there is no one size fits all for mediums. I mean, a lot of people think of mediums they think of the Long Island medium, Theresa Caputo, she’s a character with the long nails and she’s got like a stick I call it she got the blonde hair and

Unknown Speaker 36:00
but

Deb Levine 36:00
the sad thing is, that probably detracts from the fact that she really does, you know, hear from people’s loved ones. But there’s not a one size fits all, we don’t all look a certain way, if you saw me on the street, you just feel like, oh, there’s some, you know, middle aged woman with two kids and you know, living her life. It’s not like, you know, my walk around, like with this, and I have, you know, scarves all around me, I just think there, there are lots of stigmas. You know, my add was a soup, I feel like I had to sort of rebel against all the stigmas, if you will, especially now.

Brandon Handley 36:31
Well, I mean, again, you just had to, you had to go in, see who you were for yourself, and make the decision to accept yourself as you are for who you are, and roll with it. Right? Yeah, kind of step into that and, and share yourself with others, which is we know, kind of what you’re doing with the soul wisdom, right on your website is what you’re doing with offering readings. And so that was a big part of this podcast is, you know, talk about, I guess, you know, kind of merging all of who you are your spiritual self with the material world writer, you know, bringing that out, like, I mean, one of the one of the other things that you hit on too is like, you know, we’ve got these two separate selves. And I always think of like, you know, the matrix, right, there’s, you know, Mr. Neo, you one life, you’re blah, blah, blah, this one guy and this other person, and that’s so true. Right? So how do you, you know, how do you feel like you have merged the two? And, you know, what’s your life been like, because of that.

Deb Razar 37:38
So when you say, how have I merged my mediumship? With now that, that it’s a technically a business as well? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:45
sure. Sure. Well, I mean, right. But that’s, but that’s also just, that’s another stigma, right? Like, that’s just something that you don’t want to because you’re like, this is helping people category, right? You don’t want to you don’t want to, like be like, but it is right. It’s just, and it’s just, it’s, again, we wanted to we just want to be ourselves, right? Without, right without classify or label it. But like, exactly those labels, unfortunately, hopefully, other people what. It’s hard, it’s hard to put yourself on the map if you don’t share the map.

Deb Levine 38:17
It’s true. It’s true. And I, I think what had to happen for me was that once I really decided, and it wasn’t choice that I was going to live, to really live my authentic truth in every facet of my life. You know, I have a mentor that says mediumship is not spirit communication, or just intuitive mediumship is, is, is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means being, if, if I really want to do my soul’s work, as a natural medium, I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life. And what I’ve decided to do, again, this is just I’m one person, you could ask 10 different mediums, they’d say different things, I have to show up every day, as myself, again, I said flaws and all that, that whole duality, because what I’m able to do then is is hopefully, especially in a session with me, allow other people to see that it’s okay to show up as yourself. You don’t have to be X, Y or Z to be enough. And again, everything I say is written in every book everywhere. You know, we are enough as we as we are and I you know, I used to hear they go oh yeah, I’m enough as I am, whatever. But if I were only skinnier and apparently had more, you know, this that

Brandon Handley 39:38
shirt No, you’re right, right. It is all in these books. And it is a number of these things. But it’s a it’s a different level of understanding. right there’s, there’s there’s the literal understanding, and there’s the outward facing physical application of this shit, right? You’re like, Oh, I’m enough. Yeah, I showed up for work and I sharpen 72 pencils, whatever. Right, I’m going off gay, but like, you’re the I’m enough is like, you know, that’s the inner work that you’re talking about it most

Deb Razar 40:07
important work,

Brandon Handley 40:08
right? It’s it’s the, you know, the, the, you know, the most neglected. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then and then different levels of understanding, right? Because not for nothing, you know, four years ago, you know, if you’d said that this is what I’d be doing or any of this stuff, I would have laughed at you.

Deb Razar 40:27
Me to me? Yeah, yeah, I get that. So, go ahead. No, I

Brandon Handley 40:32
mean, just I mean, that’s, it sounds cliche, right, only because it’s real, unless you’ve experienced it subjectively, because you cannot, unfortunately, have somebody else’s experiences for them, like you were talking about earlier. You know, you can’t do the work for somebody else. Now. You can’t show up inside of someone else for them.

Deb Levine 40:57
Now, you can. No, but what I think what I think did it for me, you know, when I first like when I could not turn off the gifts when I was getting all this information about people that had passed, for people that I even like sort of knew, but didn’t really No, I mean, it’s it’s funny, and Magnus is, I’ve gotten in touch with some some people that I’ve known since childhood that we’ve known since childhood, because their loved ones came to me and I, I was pretty proud of myself for having the coneys to reach out and say, Look, I know I haven’t seen you in 2030 years. But hey, I’m able to communicate with the dead and I’ve got your wife or your dad or whomever with me, that for me, took not staying small anymore, because oh no, what are they gonna think they’re gonna think I’m weird. I didn’t care. I didn’t care what they thought, because if I knew that their loved ones had an important message for them to receive. Now this is before i was i was i really sort of had honed what I’m doing because there is ethics and morals. Although we don’t take the Hippocratic oath. We don’t. We’re not therapists, we’re not doctors, but it is so critical to have ethics and morals in in what I do. Because people are trusting me. I mean, when you when you have a session with me, it’s almost like I say like, you know, you can try to bullshit your therapist. I’ve tried that once or twice. And we want to sort of show our therapist like the good side, which you can’t get help that way. But still, it’s been done, people kind of try to BS, the therapist, when you’re coming with me, it’s almost like we’re now we’ve now been, it’s like having seen your therapist for seven years. Because all of a sudden Our relationship is like boom, because you can’t, you’re not going to be able to, to show me something that isn’t true, because I am an intuitive. So I’m going to know that it’s not true. Now I also my job is also to tread lightly. If I know that someone, someone can’t take the information that I’m about to give that, or they’re not ready to hear it.

Unknown Speaker 42:48
Hi, buddy.

Deb Levine 42:49
How are you? It’s so good to see you. I got to chat with him after. If I am. My job as the medium is to be able to gauge whether or not my client is really ready for this gentle soul excavation, I will never force on someone shoved that mirror up to your face. That’s the job of the medium. And there can be ego involved. And there is is zero place. I had a mentor say the first two letters and medium don’t belong there. Because this is not about me, this is not like a look at the pony trick I can do. I’m not doing anything I am being I am being my authentic self, the channel, if you will. I’m a conduit as a better word for it. And my job is to be open to not impose any judgment to not impose any meaning. And to listen to what the loved ones in spirit have to say, to make sure that my client receives what they need. When I first started this when I first started my development, I was so excited about my own experience. This is so cool. Oh my god, that guy just told me where his ashes were. And the wife just said, No one knows that. And was I patting myself on the back. But no, but I was like, This is the coolest thing ever. Oh my gosh, how is this happening? But guess what the experience is not for me. It’s not about me, I have nothing to do with this. Once I got over that that initial excitement. It’s why my mediumship changed. It’s why my my sessions are not merely spirit, contact communication, where I’m just giving a lot of evidence. Because what happened was when I really went in and did that soul work on myself, when I really learned to accept being in my truth. I could then accept this the truth of the Spirit people had for their loved ones. And I could help then my client discover if they hadn’t already their own truth. That’s the only way it’s that triad of energy. And that was when it almost came full circle. It wasn’t just like, this is so awesome. I’m talking to people that aren’t alive anymore. But yet I knew all these things. That’s not what this is about. This is so much deeper and there can be so much healing and soul work done. A medium ship session, if your listeners take nothing away, it is not just spirit communication it can be. And if you are, if you have a loved one that you’re really hoping to hear from, I, the medium has no control over that the spirit world knows what my client needs. In that moment, as I said, for their soul’s highest purpose and greatest good, they know, it’s only going to be hopeful, helpful or healing, there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful. I don’t there’s no fear around what I do I have the utmost respect for this

Brandon Handley 45:31
calling, if you will. So I mean, it’s almost not almost I mean, you are tuning into that connection as a medium for your clients to, you know, pull that in through the universe. And, you know, if you’ve got your ego involved with it, there’s it’s almost like you’re attaining the water or near the source, right? And then, as you do this mediumship connecting the source, you know, and and, you know, translating it right into words, for for, for for the person who’s there, your client, essentially, you’re reconnecting them the source, right?

Deb Razar 46:12
It Well, except, if you look at it this way, again, just my perspective. We all have the connection to source because it’s within us, right? Yeah. So if they’ve lost that connection,

Brandon Handley 46:23
it’s kind of like, you know, I don’t know what a jumpstart right for your heart, right?

Deb Razar 46:28
jumper kit, your jumper cables for a car even? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 46:31
yeah, that’s exactly,

Unknown Speaker 46:32
yeah, yeah, your batteries there. It’s just like, drained or neglected, or

Deb Razar 46:36
a great way of putting it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Right. And so that’s, I mean, that’s awesome. Right. And again, the, the, the experience I had with you was, was amazing, always grateful for that. And, you know, I think, you know, I know, I was on my way as I was just doing some things that but I wasn’t doing them in 100% authentic manner, and in a way that I was still masking myself, right, and what you did kind of allow me to just obliterate the mask and say, fuck, let’s go for it. And

Deb Levine 47:08
that’s the greatest thing I could hear, by the way from, from someone that I’ve worked with, because, and I’ve told you this before, because it’s all the ripple, we all have that ability to give back you are doing, you are really doing so much good. You have that energy about you where you’re so curious, you’re just so open you you want people, you want an understanding, and you really get excited, and you want that understanding to be shared among other people. So the fact that I was able to kind of give you that little spark, look what you’re doing now for so many other people. So that’s what I love, we are really all connected. Again, I’m gonna sound super cheesy. But if we can see each other as that we’re all extensions of one another and not look at each other as like, Oh, you have that I want that. And it’s not about that. I mean, we really can be support for one another and be each other’s cheerleader. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry calling, there’s not one more special than the other what gifts someone has, when someone comes to me, if their gift is there, an electrician, and they’re they’re so good at and they’re helping, you know, out here, let me tell you in Arizona, your AC goes out your host in the summer, right, it’s 117 degrees, that someone’s gift, and so long as they’re living authentically, they’re living their truth, they’re passionate about it. If I can help spark that in other people, then as I used to say, like, I just want a job where I can help people that I really feel like I’m getting to live my very fullest life in that sense. And that is, that’s really the greatest gift that I’ve ever been given through all the shitstorm that i’ve you know, kind of had to get past to get to this point. Every bit of it was worth it to be right here.

Brandon Handley 48:47
Well, you know, some people never get to that point, right? It’s not about how long it takes you to get to do get there. Right. And and, you know, Meg and I certainly have the conversations where I believe that more people get there than not it’s just males out there there’s well there’s not an understanding of where they are because of the Western you know, kind of mindset and it’s like oh shit, I’m I’m gonna need like Percocet I’m gonna I’m gonna need a whatever this that whatever’s going on here has got to be shoved right back let’s

Deb Levine 49:19
commit let’s do whatever we can let’s find ways to numb it and to not to feeling the pain no one look it doesn’t feel good to feel pain whether it’s emotional pain or physical pain we all as human beings want that. Whenever pain starts, what can I do to stop it?

Brandon Handley 49:36
Why would you so I mean what I’m looking at those isn’t isn’t pain. It’s that that this reignition of source and energy and feeling it kind of like you were feeling it all coming from everywhere and and not knowing what it is but since you don’t know what it is being fearful of it and trying to block it all out. Right. So yeah, keeping yourself disconnected from source and

Deb Razar 50:00
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:01
Right. But but but simply just because of all the stigmas and all this other stuff anywho that’s not what you do what you do is help people connect to that, which is already there, show them kind of like their own inner hidden city of glory or whatever right and

Deb Razar 50:18
I need you to write my website and

Brandon Handley 50:22
so you know, you help people you map it out or at least you know, show it so that it is possible and you’re doing this on the soul wisdom calm. And then you know, tell us a little bit more at least know what’s offered on the soul wisdom calm and is that the only place they can connect with you? Where should they go if they want to connect with you.

Deb Levine 50:42
It’s vessel ism, th e Sol, s o ul wisdom, calm all one word that is the best place, there’s a way to email me directly from Matt, it has my business number is on there as well. It’s interesting, but as I’ve developed, I’ve whittled down my website was pretty small to begin with. And I’ve whittled it down because I used to have a medium ship offering a mediumship session and an in and an intuitive only session. So if someone was not interested in hearing from loved ones in spirit, they just had like, they’ve got life issues, they’ve got things on their path, they really want to get into the meat of I took that away, because what I realized was, if someone’s coming to work with me, they have to have some sort of trust with me off the bat. as of lately, I mean, I don’t market myself, it’s all been referral. I mean, thanks for the documentary with Suzanne Wilson really was a big help. This I was on your friend, Mona Lauren’s podcast. That was that was a help. But other than that, there’s not really a way that people hear about me. So typically, they’ve heard from a friend or a loved one. So they come with sort of a sense of trust. If they’re coming to me with that sense of trust, they have to trust me, but more so they have to trust the spirit world. Because I my hope is that my clients come the best way to get the most depth out of a session is to come as open as possible. Because if you’re open, then you are going to receive what it is that you need, which I can’t know because I don’t know my clients before I work with them. They’re strangers to me, we leave usually as friends, but they always start out as someone I’ve never met. I don’t like to know anything about the people I work with. If they’re open, now, I just say I offer a mediumship session a mediumship session, which is what I was saying earlier is not just talking to dead people, a mediumship session is talking to the dead but it’s also intuitive information. Is it more one and less of another? It may be we never know because it’s different every time could I call

Brandon Handley 52:36
it like continuation of energy instead of the dead right like I mean yes it’s really I mean it’s not dead

Deb Razar 52:44
Yeah, there is no there there is a there is no Yeah,

Brandon Handley 52:46
yeah so so I mean just energy continuation of my grandfather. Dead does

Deb Levine 52:53
sound It sounds very harsh. There are people that say well, dead is meaning like the physical bodies die but I call I really call them spirit people because their their spirit hasn’t gone anywhere the essence of who they are that that is still very much alive. So on my website again, it’s it’s it’s very it’s slim. That’s my offering. I am and I had changes to I do have I am certified in sound healing. And for a while I was offering sound healings, then COVID hit and it’s possible. I’ve done sound healings over what do you call it Facebook Live, you know, just work like private Facebook Live groups. But I find that I use a gong and I use a crystal singing bowl and I’ve got a rain stick and I’ve got a wave drum. What I find is my sound healing is really an extension of my mediumship. So that’s a whole story for another podcast but sound

Brandon Handley 53:44
so so that’s I mean, that’s that’s a basically a part of your offering, right part of the suffering. It’s

Deb Razar 53:49
not on the website anymore. I took it off.

Brandon Handley 53:51
Well, I mean, let’s say that you and I are talking and intuitively. You’re like you know what? You need some noise, bro.

Deb Razar 53:59
Yes, I need some noise. I gotta get that gong out for you. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:03
no. So real quick, so I’m just gonna I’m gonna wind it down here Devin, you and I can keep talking right so everybody you know go to the soul wisdom.com checkout and see what she has offer there. My Instagram You

Deb Razar 54:16
mean to tell you that sir. Instagram is so wisdom. So wisdom easy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. You

Brandon Handley 54:24
know what I was always saying like so was the MAS or something like that. But it’s so wisdom a wisdom AZ so

Deb Razar 54:30
wisdom was taken so AZ I’m in Arizona, so

Brandon Handley 54:32
that’s where they’re not sure. Yeah, that makes sense. No, sorry to interrupt. No, you’re good. You’re good. So you’ll connect back with it. This is something that you’re more interested in. I’ll have links also in the podcast notes.

Deb Razar 54:49
I appreciate you having me on. It was fun.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Teanna is like the sister I never had, a ton of fun and spot on with her gangster like approach to manifestation…

This podcast is for the person who wants to learn how to manifest but is sick of all the crackadoos out there who are super soft spoken and scared to admit that they don’t know how it all works.

Teanna Campbell drops some real dope bombs to this podcast and I am thrilled that she was able to find some time and hop on as we also got to chat about a few of my favorite authors Neville Goddard & Florence Schoville Schinn.

If you are looking for a manifestation coach that knows their shit, reach out to Teanna, she is legit!

Places you can connect with Teanna: Youtube Channel

Books discussed:

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, as if you didn’t already know my name. I am on today with Teanna Campbell. She is a manifestation mindset, money and magic coach, she has one goal, and it’s her favorite. She wants to give you the tools and support you need to release your mind magic, reject your bullshit. And ignite your healing so that you can live life unfucked and stuff your bank account with cash and fill your life with everything you’ve ever wanted. I’m so happy to have you on today, what’s happening?

Teanna Campbell 0:39
That was even better than I could have done. Good job. I’m just out here with you. I’m excited.

Brandon Handley 0:45
What about you, I’m excited as well, we’ve been kind of going back and forth, we stumbled upon each other on Instagram. And, you know, I’m a fan. And so I was like, hey, without let’s let’s have this conversation, you have a great brand. with just your delivery, you’re entertaining, you are clear with your, with your delivery. And, um, you don’t fit the same mold as everybody else to which is great. But as everybody else is kind of doing it like this kind of this, there’s, there’s like a certain way all this has to be done right? And like, you’re not doing it that way. Like I’m like, Thank God and this is it’s refreshing. So happy to have you on super excited. And one of the things I usually like to start us off with is, you know, creative energy source energy speaks through us, right? And it’s kind of like we were talking about before we even got started, like the people that are looking for you just kind of show up. Right? Well, right, that says that you’re, you know, that people are going to hear us talk about today is going to be for them explicitly. And it’s going to come through you right now. So sources saying what to you to that one person listening right now?

Teanna Campbell 2:08
Oh, God, be you I think being authentic is really preached a lot in this industry without being celebrated or necessarily tolerated. Like you said, I don’t really fit the mold. I teach this shit a different way. which some people don’t enjoy. But it is authentic to me. So I just think actually follow the advice of staying who you are. And if other people aren’t doing it your way, then fuck is the effort allowed on here?

Brandon Handley 2:48
I think we started it with that. I mean, it was part of the introduction. So

Unknown Speaker 2:51
you know,

Brandon Handley 2:52
I said you can live your life on Fox. And so you can follow my lead or do what you want to do.

Teanna Campbell 2:57
I mean, I say it all the time I drop it. So I just don’t want to but I think that’s just really the big thing. Fuck them if they don’t accept it, because all of this is meant to be a very personal practice. It’s not a one size fits all there is not a secret formula that someone has unlocked. It’s very personal to each person, and it should be celebrated that you do it individually. So I think that is something important for everybody to remember.

Brandon Handley 3:30
Yeah, so it’s like be authentic, let it go. But be truly authentic too. Right? Not just this not this authentic that everybody else thinks you should be

Teanna Campbell 3:43
different. everybody’s like, be authentic, but do it this way.

Brandon Handley 3:46
Right. Right. Here’s how you be authentic. And if there’s a recipe for it, that’s not necessarily authentic. No. Right. So, um,

Unknown Speaker 3:57
what do I think that you should have on a shirt?

Teanna Campbell 4:02
Now the bitch I was actually just designing it like five minutes ago, honestly.

Brandon Handley 4:06
Well, that’s because and now also say this because you open up one of your YouTubes with that, right? And you’re like, you know, people may know me as or say, I’m a mouthy, bitch. I’m like I’m like I love it. Right and I all I see is that on a shirt for you? Because your graphics are great, right? You do a great job. Who does your graphics? do you do that? You work yourself?

Teanna Campbell 4:26
I do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:28
yeah. So I love guys if you’re not following, john, I’d like just go check her out. It’s fun. You do a good job with the designs and the branding. And so your current brand is a manifestation gangster, is that right? Yes, it is. Let’s talk about it. So tell us a little bit about if I’m checking out manifestation gangster What am I getting myself involved with?

Teanna Campbell 4:55
Um, wow. A lot of fuck bombs. And a lot of nevel teachings mixed in with the fog bombs. People have a big problem with that for some reason. I don’t know why, but they get very offended and say never would have never said that. And I’m like, he’s not alive right now, you know? No.

Brandon Handley 5:17
No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter whether or not never would have said it. It’s how you’re teaching it. But would have been funny to hear him talk that way, though. Because what this clip like Anglo Saxon, like, you know, nevel was, I mean, just how would never have told you to get fucked.

Teanna Campbell 5:38
Right? It would have been so interesting. And I just, I don’t know, when I listened to him. I can actually imagine it. Like, you can hear it sometimes in the tonality of his speeches. He kind of wants to. He wants to tell people, I’ve told you the same thing for 20 years. It shouldn’t be this fucking hard.

Brandon Handley 5:56
Right? I think i think i think if i hear him saying it, he’s got the one where he’s talking about getting the clams or something in New York, right? He’s there with his crew. And he goes, and he gets like, he orders it for breakfast. Or he wanted clams for breakfast. Right? And he’s like, he could just see it. He sauced like it like, I don’t know, 9am or something on a Sunday morning. It’s like, he’s just tore up drinking martinis, and he’s going out with his crew. And it’s like, I order the clams. Right? He’s just so you know, he’s so funny, but you could hear him saying, like, give me the fucking clams.

Teanna Campbell 6:34
Right? Right. Like you can hear him he? I am convinced he would approve, but the very strict nashvillians don’t enjoy it, avoid it. Alright,

Brandon Handley 6:46
for those uninitiated without neville goddard, what’s the what’s the history on him?

Unknown Speaker 6:52
So

Teanna Campbell 6:55
honestly, all, I preach a lot of neville goddard. But it’s not from a place of knowing an intense amount about him, I was only introduced to nevel. It’s been less than a year, because I got so excited that I had figured out this whole key to manifestation and I was teaching it to people about how it’s about your feelings and your vibrations that you put out into the universe. And it has nothing to do with your words. It’s all the feelings, all the feelings. And somebody came to me one day, and they were talking about neville goddard. And I’m like, Who the fuck is that? And they’re like, well, that’s what you teach. And I’m like, no, it’s no one’s not I made the shit up. I discovered this, I’m gonna be famous. And they’re like, you need to go check out neville goddard. Right. And I did, and I was heartbroken. Oh,

Brandon Handley 7:48
that’s the worst, right? You’re like, well, I can’t believe this has been done before.

Teanna Campbell 7:52
That’s exactly. So then I ordered every novel book, I could find neville goddard is a manifestation teacher. He’s dead. Now. This he was around. What in the 30s 50s? somewhere? I don’t know, a long time ago, we were not alive when he was around, right. And he taught it almost like he had books published. But it was more underground. It wasn’t like common knowledge that everybody talked about. It wasn’t like Napoleon Hill and the secret to getting rich. His was like seminars that he did. And he would just go and tell people about manifestation I take him he wasn’t really in it for the money. He was like, here’s everything I know. So he has crap everywhere. He will just need to read it. Because I didn’t make it up.

Brandon Handley 8:45
This time, the this time last year, it was totally me. Um, so I’ll throw on the one of the reasons he didn’t need to do it for money. It was like it came from a wealthy family. Right. So he had a super wealthy family. And while he was not relying on that, it gave him the confidence to say whatever the fuck you want to say. Because one of the things that is interesting is that if this is all you do, it can be a challenge. Right? Some sometimes you’ll you’ll may fall out. So lots of good word phrase sell out. Sure. So so an Alan Watts talks about that too. You know, watts fan.

Teanna Campbell 9:37
He, I don’t know who that is.

Brandon Handley 9:40
So real similar with Alan Watts, right. So he’s another guy like kind of they’re, they’re around the same era. Both kind of beat Nicky, you know, weird ways of talking, but similar space. But what he says is like when you do these things, and you have to do it as your only thing there’s a certain sense Stress behind it right? A certain like this happen a certain restriction of yourself right? Not being often Sure, right? Like you’re you lose some sense of authenticity because you’re like, ah, but people won’t buy it because it’s fucking crazy. Right? But like, you also go back to the idea of like, yeah, 50% of the people hate you, no matter what you do. And 50% of people love you. So so it’s like, you know, tell me get back. So you’re doing the devil, you’re doing the nevel f bomb gig. So, yeah, you got into it, though, kind of on your own. So how did you get into this space?

Teanna Campbell 10:42
So I taught manifestation. Before that’s been my gig, I became a hypnotist. And then I got really into manifestation and using hypnosis for manifestation. And through my own trial and error and practice and working with clients, I was like, holy shit, this has nothing to do with the words and the affirmations, necessarily. affirmations are helpful, but they’re not like the key to everything you’ve ever wanted. And so just through working through all of that for a couple years, I was like, Oh, my God, it’s the feeling. It’s the feeling. Right? And I was so proud. But it just started with I taught manifestation. And I was tired of traditional manifestation like, I will reference abraham hicks sometimes because I think there’s some good quotes in there. But there are definitely a lot of people who have heard me say, I hate abraham hicks.

Teanna Campbell 11:48
I hate the way it’s taught.

Teanna Campbell 11:52
And so just through getting frustrated with people not seeing results, doing it the abraham hicks way. I took it and figured out what worked and what didn’t. And it happens to be the same stuff that neville goddard

Teanna Campbell 12:08
teaches about. Okay.

Brandon Handley 12:11
Would you so abraham hicks is a all law of attraction? Would you consider Neville Goddard’s teaching law of attraction? Or would you consider manifestation? Because I think it sounds like there’s a little bit of a discerning, right.

Teanna Campbell 12:28
I think neville goddard actually had a really good understanding of all 12 of the spiritual laws, he doesn’t make references to each specific one. But if you study the 12 spiritual laws, or the 12 laws of the universe, each one you can pinpoint to different level teachings. So I think he just had a really good understanding of all of it. So there is law of attraction in there, because it’s one of the laws, but he goes over all of that, which is probably why I enjoy his work more. I it’s not all law of attraction.

Brandon Handley 13:12
Okay. No, I mean, it’s interesting, right? Because that my, again, my perception is he’s different than just your strict like law of attraction people and, you know, right, positive and positive thinking and all this other stuff. He’s in a different different sphere, different space. And so I think it’s interesting that that’s kind of who you you gravitated towards and, and run through. So you did the hypnosis, right? For manifestation, and then, you know, you came across the feeling part, right? So Where, where, where did that epiphany come from for you?

Teanna Campbell 13:54
It’s so cliche, but I was literally just driving in my car one day, I do all of my best thinking in my car. I am convinced if I ever write a book, it will be thoughts I’ve had in a car. And it just popped into my head. I don’t know if I was talking with a client. I have a really bad habit of doing voice talking with clients over the phone while I’m driving. Um, so I don’t know if I was talking with a client or what it was. But I remember sitting at the stoplight waiting for it to turn green. And I was just like, oh my god, it’s about vibrations. And right there in this split second of it wasn’t a split second, it was like 10 seconds. I had already planned out this entire course about how manifestation is vibrations and how to tune into it. And while I was launching and working with people, somebody told me about nubble It all happened very quickly, but it was just in my car.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, that’s great. It’s great. I think I think that is is huge right where emotion and feeling right is about big part of it when and it’s also tied to the visualization aspect right? And if you tie that right to a your feelings and emotions, right, you don’t know, tell me what happens there.

Teanna Campbell 15:14
Well, I will I’ve never actually heard him talk about it, but I am convinced neville goddard evil either was a hypnotist or had a really good understanding of hypnosis. Because everything he talks about the state akin to sleep in the visualization with the feelings, that’s hypnosis, when he mentions getting really relaxed so that the images go into your subconscious mind. That is hypnosis. So essentially, in all of his books, when he’s telling people how to visualize and how to relax, he’s just telling everyone how to self hypnotize. And I think that’s a big part of why it is so effective because hypnosis is sending messages straight to your subconscious mind, which is then what you experience in reality.

Brandon Handley 16:06
He calls the subconscious does he call it a subconscious? So he calls right

Teanna Campbell 16:11
mind more often. But I don’t like to say unconscious mind. Just that’s it. That just feels wrong to me since I was trained as a hypnotist first, okay, so I call it the subconscious. But he does have a few books where he also just straight out refers to it as the subconscious mind, the subconscious mind.

Brandon Handley 16:32
So I think that one of your first when we first connected you were calling it the God the God, what was it the God? God manifestation? God state God state, that’s what Yeah, which is very novel, too, though, right?

Teanna Campbell 16:51
That was, so it’s funny talking about authenticity. My brand is quirky and bright colors, and not like other people. And I had a friend who was kind of an Instagram goddess, she has, like 400,000 followers on Instagram, she’s built up a ton of accounts to hundreds of thousands of people. And she didn’t agree with my branding on either of my businesses. And so I changed it to be Instagram friendly. And she’s the one who was like God state because that’s what people will search for when they search for nevel stuff. And you need to go plain with black and white, maybe a little bit of gold because people respond to that. So I took everything and made it so boring. And our friendship and I

Brandon Handley 17:46
really liked it by the way, I liked your golden black. And I was like I was like it’s very well done. So right. So you know, maybe that’s okay.

Teanna Campbell 17:56
Just wasn’t you,

Teanna Campbell 18:00
me. Our friendship ended up like not working out it is what it is whatever you know, girls do when they get together. And with time, I was like, well, this is who I really want to be. Right. So I changed it to how it was before her and probably confused the crap out of everybody. But that was authentic. So God’s state was actually like the brainchild of someone else that I came up with the name, but it was with the encouragement of other people.

Brandon Handley 18:34
I hear you, I hear you. I’ve done many things with the encouragement of other people that I should. So let’s talk about let’s talk about your brand now like I mean, you’ve got manifestation gangster, it’s a lot of fun, it is bright, it is vibrant. And you know what type of people you working with.

Teanna Campbell 18:56
Um, it’s funny because I get kind of I work pretty much just with women, a lot of women business owners and a lot of the single mom kind of women I you attract a lot of what you are so because I’ve had healing around all of the stuff I’ve had to work through, the majority of people I work with and attract are actually in the same place I was in years ago. So that’s almost exclusively, who I end up working with.

Brandon Handley 19:36
Now, it’s interesting, and I’ve definitely found that to I mean, some of my first interviews were with like, you know, people with not necessarily daddy issues, but like, you know, had, you know, weird dad backstories that were almost identical to mine, right? Like my dad died of like everyone overdose, right? And like, maybe like three out of 10 people that I interviewed, they had their dad’s

Unknown Speaker 20:00
I’d like heroin overdose.

Teanna Campbell 20:01
Have a beer dad that story. See? See, look?

Brandon Handley 20:07
Maybe this is more common than we thought. What’s your what’s the weird dad backstory?

Unknown Speaker 20:15
Um,

Teanna Campbell 20:18
wow. My dad was never involved. And I learned when I was like six or seven that my dad didn’t want me and so the dad I had was actually an adoptive dad. Because he married my mom when I was like one. And then he left and then I met my bio dad, it was just like a shit show all through my teen years. The weirdest and now I haven’t talked to him in 20 years.

Brandon Handley 20:50
That fucking

Teanna Campbell 20:54
No, I’m sure that you are great one. So we’re not gonna say

Brandon Handley 20:58
no, that’s totally true. I’m talking about the rest of them. I kid I just um, so what else is fun in this space? I mean, what is your favorite nevel like so here’s another part of this podcast, right? This podcast is really about leaning into that authenticity. What did it take for you to start working in this space? Because it’s not one that I would say is super socially acceptable and easy to break into? Is that what do you think

Teanna Campbell 21:29
neville goddard space

Brandon Handley 21:30
neville goddard law of attraction and manifestation coaching you know that you’ve got 90% of the people that you’ve run into relate with that’s woo woo is, you know, all this other stuff. So what was it like jumping into this space and kind of leading from there?

Unknown Speaker 21:47
Um,

Teanna Campbell 21:49
I honestly didn’t really have problems with it. Before I really jumped into neville goddard. I was mostly exclusively a mindset coach, like, that’s why I learned about hypnosis. So I was already talking mindset stuff. I was already talking about the subconscious mind, I was already kind of in that space. And then it just kind of slowly evolved, I think, into what it is now. And because it was slow. The audience that I had built up over the years just followed with me, they evolved with me as well. So for me, it was actually a really easy transition. I didn’t have a difficult time with it at all. I don’t I’m not part. So there’s a lot of the really big like nevel teachers, I’ve never talked to any of them I haven’t like broken into

Brandon Handley 22:45
circle

Teanna Campbell 22:46
their circle, right. So it’s just kind of me doing my own thing, but I like it that way. So I just hang out and do what I want to do.

Brandon Handley 22:58
What I’m so if I was to call for coaching with you, what’s our What’s our first call like?

Teanna Campbell 23:06
I just do very open. Caught like a call would kind of just start with the bullshitting. What are you working on bullshitting? It’s important stuff, but what are you working on? What are you manifesting? How are you feeling about it? What are you currently doing what, and then we just break it down into what’s standing in their way if they’re having consistent, focused thoughts on why it’s not there, or what is missing or how it’s not coming. And then we just let it evolve naturally, I’m a very free flowing person, I don’t have a lot of the super structure in my calls, or my coaching packages or my businesses. Nobody is built the same kind of like how we talked about in the very beginning of this, it’s a very personal journey to everyone. And one type of ritual, I call them rituals, that’s kind of Woo. But one kind of ritual or technique doesn’t work for everybody. So I take the time to really get to know people so that it actually does work for them. So the calls there’s not really a big structure to it. It’s let’s get to know you and see where you are. And then we just break through that shit.

Brandon Handley 24:25
No, absolutely. Right. So tailor made. Right, right.

Teanna Campbell 24:30
100% no call is ever the same.

Unknown Speaker 24:36
Could couldn’t be if you tried.

Brandon Handley 24:40
And let’s talk about doing doing this kind of as a parent to are you I know you said your son’s at the game, right? Right now or practice, right

Teanna Campbell 24:49
doctor? I have two daughters. The one plays football so that’s what

Brandon Handley 24:54
Yeah, so do teach your children and stuff.

Teanna Campbell 24:58
Yeah, yeah. My kids are like my coach when I get stuck, and I’m focusing on the wrong shit. And I’m like, Oh my god, everything is going wrong. My kids will jump in and they’ll be like, Mom, what you focus on grows? And I’m like, Oh, snap. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 25:18
Well,

Teanna Campbell 25:20
thanks.

Teanna Campbell 25:22
My kids know probably as much about it as I do. I let them listen in on coaching calls. They listen to when I do trainings, there’s probably the one listening in her room the next door right now. They listen to all of it, they are constantly immersed in devil in manifestation and mindset all the time. And they talk just like me.

Unknown Speaker 25:45
So, clearly,

Teanna Campbell 25:47
clearly, it’s great conversation with their school teachers.

Brandon Handley 25:53
Do they? Do they bring it up at school? Have you ever gotten a call from schools and ask them what’s going on with the manifestation or anything like that?

Teanna Campbell 26:00
The only time I’ve gotten calls from schools is when they drop bombs.

Brandon Handley 26:06
And bring out the good, that’s what you focus on grows? Don’t you tell them that?

Unknown Speaker 26:10
Right? That’s cool.

Teanna Campbell 26:13
Just let them be just let them be? No. But they will tell their friends. My daughter had a birthday party at our house a couple weeks ago, and all of her friends came over. And it’s a bunch of little 13 year old girls who wanted to be hypnotized and have their cards read. And it was I did not hypnotize them. That would be slightly unethical. But I did read cards and ship for them. So it’s actually kids are really open to this stuff. And if parents were open about what they were learning and what they were teaching, and what they were evolving through, I think the kids would grow up to be even more adept at it than we are.

Brandon Handley 26:54
What I mean by that

Teanna Campbell 26:56
it’s easier for them. But kids, my kids have I’ve been explaining this to them since they were seven or eight years old. And they have an amazing handle just intuitively on what manifestation is and how to use their mind. And they, I mean, if they want to snow day, because they don’t want to go to school, they just go to bed and they say, we’re not going to go to school tomorrow. And it’s a snow day. Like my kids can manifest and do whatever the hell they want. And I think it’s really beautiful.

Unknown Speaker 27:30
Um,

Brandon Handley 27:33
I love that I love that they love they are in that space. I think that it is very intuitive. I mean, once you kind of cross over certain thresholds. Is there any going back to the way you used to be?

Teanna Campbell 27:47
Not comfortably? Right.

Brandon Handley 27:50
You know, it’s kind of it’s very, you know, matrix II, right? There is no going back to you take that pill, there’s kind of no going back. And if you’re if you’re not a fan of Abraham Hicks is like, there’s there’s no going back. She always says that, right? She says there’s no going back.

Unknown Speaker 28:06
Right?

Brandon Handley 28:08
And it becomes, I mean, how does it feel? Does it feel it feels 100% natural to be in that state of being? Is that fair to say? Would you say that?

Unknown Speaker 28:19
Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 28:23
And would you say that it’s, it just becomes intuitive, and once you kind of discovered is, it’s like, it’s almost like you’ve always known that it was there.

Teanna Campbell 28:33
Right? For sure. And I think breaking through to that side can be uncomfortable. Like, there’s a lot of releasing the victim mode, and a lot of that stuff that we’re taught through society, but like my kids, I’ve never heard them blame a problem on somebody else ever. It’s always, like, they know how to take responsibility for what they’ve created. It’s not just that somebody at school is mean to them, or that they got picked on by someone or that football practice was too hard. And their coach was mean, like they understand creating their reality, and that it’s a mindset shift that they need to make. And because of that, I don’t think like my children will ever be in that place of being a victim of anything, they will take control of it. For forever From now on, and I think kids are really, really good at that. If they’re taught that from a young age.

Brandon Handley 29:35
Yeah, no, I agree. What, um, and I love that they take like, 100% of responsibility and that they create that space. I mean, let’s talk about what it means to create that space. What is it? What do you mean by they create that space?

Teanna Campbell 29:53
I think that anytime anything happens that is undesirable, right. There’s a lesson in How we kind of took part in that. And I, I do like to make a disclaimer, when I say that I don’t mean the really big, bad, terrible life experiences like death. I don’t include in that I don’t think people manifest death at all, ever. I think that was already determined before we came here. But other things like the way that people treat you, or the results that you get either from something or from another person, it’s never just something that happens to you, there’s a lesson to be learned as to why that happened. If your mind was focused on, I’m not going to be good enough, or I never succeeded anything, or I never get hitched first, or people like other people, if you have those kinds of thoughts, then the result you got was a result of those thoughts. So I don’t think any, that any of this stuff just happens to you. It’s something that you can evaluate where in your mind, you attracted this results, and hold the space for yourself to create better beliefs and better thoughts. So that you get better results?

Brandon Handley 31:23
Is it easy for someone to change their beliefs?

Teanna Campbell 31:27
That’s what hypnosis is for? Yes.

Brandon Handley 31:32
What is so can you do hypnosis? Like over over zoom? Or a phone call?

Teanna Campbell 31:40
Yeah, 99.9% of all my clients are over the phone,

Brandon Handley 31:45
or just audios and hypnosis as part of it. So you talked about earlier to like, you know, hypnosis is basically sending messages or beliefs directly to the subconscious. That’s what you said. Yep. How like, I mean,

Unknown Speaker 32:04
right. So how,

Brandon Handley 32:08
how am I preventing things from getting to the subconscious? Without hypnosis?

Teanna Campbell 32:15
Um, how are you preventing things from getting your subconscious?

Brandon Handley 32:20
Yeah, like, I mean, why is it what makes it what makes hypnosis able to do that?

Teanna Campbell 32:26
So hypnosis, what it does, you spend a bit of time getting relaxed, right? So like Neville talks about that too, you get relaxed before you do the visualization. The reason you get relaxed or why your hypnotherapist will relax you is because when you physically relaxed, your conscious mind gets really bored. And it checks out. When your conscious mind isn’t there anymore as your gatekeeper, your subconscious mind is accessible. And that’s how you just put the messages straight in, you can put stuff through to your subconscious without being hypnotized. You just have to repeat it a lot. You have to put the conscious effort into it, you have to make sure that you’re focused on it and not allowing other beliefs said. So it’s you you can it’s just like taking a long road I prefer just getting shit done really fast.

Brandon Handley 33:24
know for sure so but so what you’re saying then is the conscious is acting as a gatekeeper. Um, and yeah, if you’re trying to put new stuff in. Like if I try to put new stuff in my brain, my conscience would be like, No, no, no, no new stuff, because we’ve got all this other stuff here that we’re so good with. Right?

Teanna Campbell 33:46
Right, right, or this other stuff we have contradicts what you’re trying to put in there. Like if you have a belief that you were born into a broke family, and that you’re always going to be broke, that money is hard to come by money doesn’t grow on trees, etc, etc. If you have those beliefs really ingrained in yourself or in your subconscious mind, and you’re trying to affirm over and over again, I am rich money flows to me money sticks to me, your subconscious mind and your gatekeeper. Like we already have these other beliefs that are different than that. So you either have to get rid of the old ones, or repeat the new ones a lot.

Brandon Handley 34:33
And each time, each time I’m repeating these affirmations, though, my subconscious is like,

Teanna Campbell 34:38
no, right? Right. Like you’re just reminding yourself over and over again, like No, that’s not true.

Unknown Speaker 34:47
So, you know,

Brandon Handley 34:51
I was talking with somebody else earlier this week and and the idea of, they call it the quantum question. I don’t know if you’ve seen that when the quantum question or Have you seen Noah St. John’s? Oh hell, what does he do? AV formations? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Teanna Campbell 35:11
Yeah. Asking questions.

Brandon Handley 35:13
So is that like ordinations? So is that like, so I just heard this weekend, there’s some other dude out there doing the exact same thing. So he’s calling it the quantum question. Because quantum, because everything is quantum right now.

Teanna Campbell 35:27
It’s the new authentic, trendy thing.

Brandon Handley 35:30
Right, right. Quantum quantum authenticity. But I think that that’s a trick for the subconscious right to bypass the subconscious. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So is that similar?

Teanna Campbell 35:43
Yeah. So like, you were just saying, if you have grown up and been raised really poor, do you have that super strong, subconscious belief? And you’re trying to affirm over and over again, I am rich, your subconscious mind is like, No, you’re not. But if you’re asking it in the form of a question, your subconscious mind starts to go, hey, what? And you kind of trick it and so it starts to figure out how to make it true. So I wouldn’t say affirmations, affirmations, I wish you would have named it something else that was more distinguishable. But affirmations are definitely a better tool, especially when you’re starting then regular affirmations that everybody preaches.

Brandon Handley 36:32
Yeah, no. Absolutely feels like feels like feels like a nice trick, right? I feel like, you know, the brain, the mind, whatever you feel like calling it has to close a loop. Right? So if you ask it those questions, it’s like, it just wants to close that loop. It doesn’t really care. Just Just like, well, he asked, right, I need to find answers. So um, what is like one of your life? So? I love man, like I save like, all kinds of like the neville goddard ones. So the coin I haven’t, I think is one of my favorites. Right? Do you listen to his speeches when he’s talking? Or Geez. So yeah, do you have a favorite a nevel YouTube video?

Teanna Campbell 37:19
Oh, I kind of knew you were gonna ask something like this. And I was not prepared. I don’t have a favorite nevel YouTube. But there’s a book and it is his last book that was ever released. And I cannot remember the name of it because it’s on my phone. But it’s basically and you can only get it on Audible. Um, it’s a collection of a book he was working on before he died. And then some random speeches that were never like published anywhere else.

Brandon Handley 37:56
Okay. The full reader? No. Who’s got that one? Right. The full readers a one of those ones.

Teanna Campbell 38:06
Yeah, not a whole lot of his books together. This is something

Brandon Handley 38:09
something else. Well, I’ve got one audible credit. I am going to use

Teanna Campbell 38:15
telethon. Hold on. I have. I’m tricky. I have two phones. So give me such a burner and ridiculous.

Teanna Campbell 38:24
Yeah, no.

Unknown Speaker 38:28
No.

Brandon Handley 38:34
While you’re looking that up, I mean, do you see the space is, you know, growing becoming more acceptable. versing The, the you know, the conservatives base? Like, what are your thoughts on kind of where this is going? manifestation or mindset training and just kind of being in the space?

Teanna Campbell 38:59
I think that people are getting more and more. Um,

Teanna Campbell 39:10
it’s just becoming more accepted. And I think that by hearing your friends talk about it, or I’m hearing it talked about more on things like Instagram or YouTube or whatever it is. People are becoming more inclined to pay attention to it and to accept it. So I think it’s it’s making a big I hear more and more people talk about it all the time. Or people come to me and they’re like, Oh, yeah, I’ve actually heard about that. And I’m like,

Brandon Handley 39:52
say What? Get out of my spigot.

Teanna Campbell 39:54
It’s not this big secret anymore.

Unknown Speaker 39:56
Right right. Now I hear you. I hear you. And then I

Brandon Handley 40:04
was so I’m kind of waiting on you to to get your novel guy.

Teanna Campbell 40:08
No, I don’t know what my phone is doing. I want it. I think it might be this one called the infinite potential, but I’m not. It’s like 400 an hour. It’s not really 400. Yeah, infinite potential.

Unknown Speaker 40:24
Yeah. And what do you love about it?

Teanna Campbell 40:28
It’s not the typical

Teanna Campbell 40:32
stuff that you hear about nevel because it’s not, it wasn’t. It’s not one of his big books like feeling is the secret or any of those. So it’s not the same regurgitated stuff. This is like his, it’s more advanced level, but he also doesn’t speak quite so biblically. In some of it like he does in his previous works. It’s just a different vibe. And I’m sad. He never like actually finished all of the stuff he was working on. There is one book in there that is basically like taken straight out of the Bible. It’s not my favorite one. But it still has a lot of really good points to it.

Brandon Handley 41:20
Right. So I think it’s interesting, too. And I don’t think that we mentioned that yet that most of his stuff is out of the Bible. Right, like, right, you’re like, but when he talks about it, he talks about it in a way that I know I’d never heard about it. The Bible talks about that way. Right? Because if it was like, I still remember, the first time I heard I was listening to one of his books driving from North Carolina to New Jersey. And he’s talking, I got excited. I was like, this is it. I’m driving by myself like, right. Right. This is awesome. I mean, I was like, Why? Why? I was like that this book is now this book is cool.

Teanna Campbell 42:09
Right now this dude’s legit. Right? I’ll let him Yeah, I do. I love how he takes the Bible. I grew up in a very, very religious LDS household. What does that mean?

Brandon Handley 42:24
Oh, god. What LDS mean, okay. I don’t put it okay. Yeah.

Teanna Campbell 42:29
The Mormons. Have you ever heard of those

Brandon Handley 42:31
people? Yeah, they’re they’re out there. What is LDS stand for Latter Day Saints? That’s what it is. Okay.

Teanna Campbell 42:39
Yes, Latter Day Saints. I forget not everyone lives in Idaho, where there’s a mormon church on every corner. But we grew up I grew up super Mormon, and I never identified with it. So I was kind of like the black sheep of my family because I wasn’t all up in the

Unknown Speaker 43:02
Mormon.

Teanna Campbell 43:04
Hold version of shit. And they all use the scriptures all the time to harp on the way you should be. And so when Neville started using the Bible and explaining that it’s a guide for manifestation, and it’s not this historical book that we’re supposed to, like, emulate, I was like, Oh my god, I love this guy so much.

Brandon Handley 43:30
I love to try to get anybody in your family to listen to

Teanna Campbell 43:34
my immediate family, my mom and my sisters, my brother, they have all actually like crossed over to my side a bit more. Yeah. They are not Mormon II at all. And they will talk about manifestation and they will talk about the feeling and the focus, and I think it’s really fucking awesome.

Brandon Handley 43:56
I love it. Yeah. What would you say manifestation is when I’m manifesting? What am I?

Teanna Campbell 44:06
You are

Teanna Campbell 44:09
programming.

Teanna Campbell 44:12
Oh, there’s so many different ways. You can describe it in so many ways. But you’re programming your desired reality into your subconscious mind so that it manifests on the 3d physical plane.

Brandon Handley 44:24
You’re saying my brain is a 3d printer?

Teanna Campbell 44:27
Yes. Yes. Oh, that’s beautiful.

Teanna Campbell 44:33
Yeah, brain is a 3d printer.

Brandon Handley 44:35
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Who else do you really love in this space? Um, outside of nevel that you kind of teach about,

Teanna Campbell 44:43
and Lauren so Val shin. She’s the mom. I love her so much.

Brandon Handley 44:49
Haha. She is awesome. She’s awesome.

Teanna Campbell 44:52
I don’t know how she is not preached everywhere. Like I don’t know where people decided. Abraham Hicks was Gonna be the one that everyone relied on but they are missing out on so much. Yeah, by not having Florence plastered everywhere, which and it’s

Brandon Handley 45:13
Hi, favorite affirmations from Florence Give me one or two. Because she’s she’s an affirmation queen. She’s a great affirmation queen.

Teanna Campbell 45:21
I don’t use hers.

Brandon Handley 45:24
All right, no, no, no worries. I gotta look one up because I

Teanna Campbell 45:26
have basically one affirmation that I use. Okay, and it’s not hers. What is it? Oh, it’s there’s nothing I can do to fuck this up. Who? I love it.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Love it. Nothing is as yours or do you have somebody you want

Teanna Campbell 45:48
I heard something similar from a YouTuber Her name is Jasmine. She teaches about like how to manifest this was a specific person, which I don’t really get into because I don’t give a shit about it. Um, but she said something similar to that. And I took it and adapted it to my language. And now it’s just basically the only one I use

Brandon Handley 46:12
a

Teanna Campbell 46:13
lot. What were you pulling up by Florida?

Brandon Handley 46:16
Like it’s like I love them all. So the thing that I love about forest is that hers like so she was an artist. So when she’s writes, he does a really good job of painting the picture, which is what you’re supposed to when you write but not everybody does it with the visuals that she can do. She’s got one that’s like talks about Here it is. Here’s one that I really like, I am harmonious happy and divinely magnetic and now draw to me my ships over comm See, that’s not the one I love, though.

Teanna Campbell 46:44
Like, I just like that one. I don’t love it.

Brandon Handley 46:46
Yeah, but she’s got so many and a couple of them. When I know when I was listening to her, like all times always listening to, you know, the game of life and how to play it and your word is your wand. Right? And one of them’s like, you know, I see lines in my path, and I walk up to them realize that they’re friendly. airedales, which is a type of dog, right? I didn’t know what airedales were for a while, but I finally was like their dog. Uh, but it’s true, right? You’re, the things that you are afraid of that are on your path. If you don’t walk up to them, you know, you, you’re always afraid of them. But when you walk up to them, you see that, you know, they probably provide more benefit than other another thing that between I was listening to her nevel all the time. And it was the idea of just giving all your worries over to God but I also translated God into my subconscious because of, of nevel right and I was like, God all makes fucking sense as like if I just if I just give it over to like the 95% that pumps my you know, pumps my blood grows my hair grows my nails and does a bunch of other shit that even if I didn’t know how to do it, I wouldn’t be able to do it any better than it already does. Right? Why don’t I just go ahead and let that part of me do that.

Teanna Campbell 48:10
That’s where mine comes from. There’s nothing I can do to fuck this up. Like I if my subconscious or my god self, whatever you want to call it is handling it. My little mere human pimply body like can’t mess it up. So it’s exactly the same thing. Hello. I love them. I love them. I love them. Right.

Brandon Handley 48:35
Right. And I agree, right? If you’re if you’re out there, and if you’re in manifestation land, and you haven’t checked, either one of them out nevel is is different, highly. I personally, I mean, I don’t know about you, Tiana. Like I love how he talks like there’s nothing better than like kind of driving down the road and listening to Neville talk.

Teanna Campbell 48:58
Right? Except you do have to be careful. There was one book I got from Audible, and the narrator was terrible. And I just listened to the whole thing. And I’m like, that is not what the fuck never would say like, I knew it was his words. It was not his tonality or his voice and I was so traumatized.

Brandon Handley 49:22
There’s a guy out there, just I have Brant that reads a lot of his stuff. And he does a good job, but he’s still you can’t so the recommendation here is if you go find some nevel on YouTube, do not you must you must listen to him deliver it in person because his cadence is, was that a lilt to his voice right? Like he’s just very, very, you know, Barbados. Just I love it. Right.

Unknown Speaker 49:51
And yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:52
yeah, check out some forums. What else do you love about Florence?

Teanna Campbell 49:58
Why do you have it She’s just straight to the point. I think that’s really that’s how I teach. I don’t do a lot of the fluff and the pomp and circumstance that like Abraham Hicks throws into it. Um, I like it very direct and to the point, and that is exactly how far it’s like if you’ve ever looked at her books or books or this small. Yeah, it’s because she’s not about

Unknown Speaker 50:26
God want more, right?

Teanna Campbell 50:26
She’s like, this is it. This is what you need to know. Go do. That’s it. And I love that about. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 50:33
that’s cool. It’s perfect. What are you like, I just love her. Like I said, she paints great pictures. She has good affirmations. She’s very clear, succinct. And it just all makes sense, right? Once in once you kind of get into this the flow and the pattern of this space. She’s simple. It’s easy, right? Keep it simple, stupid, right? And that’s what she does. She keeps it simple. She doesn’t try to like you said add anything to it. I think

Teanna Campbell 51:05
she has a quote as she starts one of her books by basically saying keep it simple, stupid, but she doesn’t say stupid. She said something else. But that’s how she starts her book. She’s like, keep it simple.

Brandon Handley 51:16
Yeah. Yeah. It doesn’t have to be. It doesn’t have to be everything else. Right. One question for you. Right? Be if I’ve got a, you know, money block, right? If I’m having a problem with getting over that in my life, what’s the quickest way I can get over that?

Teanna Campbell 51:37
evaluate your relationship with yourself? I mean,

Teanna Campbell 51:44
yes. Oh, every time it’s when somebody has a money blog, it usually has to do with the way they feel about themselves. It has almost never really that much to do with the money. It has to do with they don’t like the way they look. They don’t like that they didn’t graduate high school. They don’t like that. They haven’t had a lasting relationship. They don’t whatever it is, they don’t like about themselves. They’re translating it over into their bank account. By healing your relationship with yourself. The money heals on its own. Pretty much every time.

Brandon Handley 52:25
keepin it simple. I love it. Where should people go to find you?

Teanna Campbell 52:32
I’m Tiana Campbell on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 52:36
You’re blowing up? They’re blowing up there. I know.

Unknown Speaker 52:42
Why yes, I am. Alright, Tana Campbell over on YouTube. Thank you, Brandon. Yeah, thank you for being on today.

Teanna Campbell 52:50
It was really fun. I appreciate it. Thank you.


What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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Without watering down your faith.

Great conversation with Cory Walker as we discuss being groomed for church leadership, leading a community… and leaving it all behind as his path diverted from the expectations from others.

http://www.churchbeentheredonethat.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spirits of dope. It is Brandon Handley and today we are on with Corey Walker, who is the author of boiling down your religion without watering down your faith. Cory spent about 20 years being a minister correct me if I’m wrong anywhere in here this but a minister in an Pentecostal, Pentecostal I don’t even know how to say it right. Like I said so in a Pentecostal church and stepped out after 20 years of being in a leadership role and kind of took refuge in his own heart on my call, and the sides live just outside of the church confines and more in like I said, john Hart said about right Corey

Cory Walker 0:53
Davis some sort of modular.

Brandon Handley 0:55
So you know, Cory I always like to say that we are Are vessels of the divine right? The Creator speaks through us. Right. And and when people are turning in tuning into this podcast, they’re tuning in to hear a message that is being delivered through you to them. And my question to you, as we start this thing off is what what is, what is something somebody out there needs to hear today that can only come through you?

Cory Walker 1:26
Wow, great question.

Cory Walker 1:30
Well, there’s several different things. I could go here, but the long and the short of it is don’t be afraid to make a change, if you feel like it, if it’s following your heart. So many of us were raised that particular way. We’re taught what to believe, and taught how to be taught what to think without being really taught how to think. And you if you’re just believing doctrine or someone else’s beliefs, and you’re trying to hold to those instead of actually listening in Your heart towards the divine. And my case, God would be wanting to say to you that you could easily spend years following something that that you end up feeling like you’ve wasted time later on. So don’t be afraid to make a change. I guess that’s my, that’s my off the cuff response.

Brandon Handley 2:16
Sure, sure. I love that. I mean, and you did right, you made the made this change to 20 years and I think the the line that comes to mind is you know, don’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall right through and and that there’s really nothing. And I think that a lot of people are afraid to kind of go chase this thing, but what you’re saying is, even even after maybe climbing halfway up the ladder, maybe you’ve already made it all the way up to the top, but

Unknown Speaker 2:47
it’s okay to make a change. It’s okay to climb

Brandon Handley 2:49
back down and go climb another ladder. Is that what I’m hearing you say?

Cory Walker 2:53
Yeah, definitely, especially if the letter sounds or letters keeping more consistent, like what you’re feeling in your heart. I just know. You know, it’s Been a pastor for so many years, I met with so many people talk with so many other leaders who, who knew how to toe the company line. But in private, they would say, Well, what do you think about this, though, that doesn’t really sit with what we believe and what we teach. But it’s like they had their own private belief system outside of the public one that they were telling everyone else. And you just can’t do that for extended period of time without, you know, driving yourself crazy. Because the inconsistency just couldn’t live that kind of dualism. And so you try to modify what it is you teach and teach the parts of what you have what you’ve learned and believed over the years that still ring true with you, and leave the other parts out of the fact is the whole. The whole last two years, my ministry I never preached even one sermon from the Old Testament part of the Bible, because it seemed to communicate that there was an angry God who was demanding that you behave a certain way. And if you didn’t do you’re in big trouble. And that just didn’t jive with the message of Jesus, which was what’s taught in the New Testament to me, and I understand the theological demands sticks that people do that night to neatly tie the two together because I went to Bible college but that doesn’t mean that the average Joe and common sense of really why don’t we are under grace, why do I have to do and you fill in the blank whatever it is your local church is telling you you have to do in order to be a good Christian.

Brandon Handley 4:18
Sure, sure. And I think the thing is, it’s a shame that Christianity’s you know, kind of been fractured in so many different ways away from the the, the true meaning of the messaging right now. And what the hell do I know though? I really don’t know too much. I don’t I haven’t been involved with too much of it. But what I do know is that when I have a conversation with you know, somebody such as yourself that you know, is really just been immersed in it and and they find Jesus or I think, what do they call it like a, you know, the Jesus consciousness, right? It’s kind of like, you know, one of the things that gets tossed out there is what’s in those books is kind of like truth and from the heart, but how its interpreted and spun back around is either liberal or kind of fit fitting the needs of the organization that’s driving it.

Cory Walker 5:19
Now let’s move on been so true. You know, parts of the specifically if you read the gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke and john, telling me all about the life of Christ in His, the economy of Christ, if you want to love your neighbor, pray for your enemies. Love those who persecute you go the extra mile turn the other cheek, those kind of things rang really took my heart, but the way in which the church lives out the teachings of Christ, and that’s them together with with a lot of the old, old covenant Old Testament law type, you know, thou shalt nots, and just the whole organizational structure that’s set up to basically support itself. I just reached a point when I realized that you Man formed these nonprofit organizations that we call churches to supposedly help the members who are the people in their spiritual walk. But somewhere along the way, the organization starts to expect the members to do what’s in its best interest and spin it

Brandon Handley 6:17
around. I would like to I would like to kind of caveat it right. This has been your right. Yeah. So I mean, because there’s that there’s definitely got to be a couple out there. Right. They all Yeah.

Cory Walker 6:29
Yeah. I don’t want to categorize across the board is my experience. Yeah, with the with eight or 10 churches that I was either attending or on staff at over the years, the older the organization, the more likely it is that the the, the principles get minimized, and the traditions get emphasized. And as a result, it’s about self sustaining many times instead of about really bringing life and health to, you know, the average individual and once I realized that then I just took Couldn’t, I just couldn’t myself, continue to be a part of one. And I’ve even thought now that I’m not on staff someplace or a pastor someplace that, well, maybe I should just attend this church or that church, and I’ve stepped into a couple for service here there. And it just doesn’t take long when you’ve been in leadership for a while for you to start hearing the same familiar, you know, course and tone of what it is we’re supposed to do. And it was supposed to is that kind of wore me out, I think.

Brandon Handley 7:27
Yeah, no, that makes sense, right? It’s kinda like all the shoulds and codes that we could be doing. Well, let’s, let’s roll it back here for a second. So let’s tell, you know, tell anybody listening today that, you know, what type of church were you? a minister at and a leader and then what does that even mean? Right, because like I said, we talked about Pentecostals. Let’s talk a little bit about what that is and what that’s built on top

Cory Walker 7:54
of, if you could, sure. Yeah. Well, essentially, within Christianity you have two veins. You have Catholics Protestants. And in the Protestant vein, you have thousands, literally thousands of what we call denominations, which are different or different organizations, like Baptist or Methodist or Pentecostal, different Pentecostal denominations. But the bottom line is, each one of them has a different set of standards and rules for themselves that they believe slightly different than the other ones. And the fact is, all of them would tell you that they were originally formed because some people who were a part of some other organization said, Well, we think we got a new enlightenment or we got just a little bit better understanding. So we’re going to form our own. And so I grew up in those in most of those denominations in America anyway, sit within a category called have called evangelicals, and many times, also called fundamentalists, and those are people who have a belief that there’s a divinely inspired scripture, and in our case, the Bible, and that is to be literally interpreted and applied to your own life and there things in the scripture that I have discovered that just didn’t seem to sit well with literally applying them to my own life as an example that were like there’s a there’s a passage in the Old Testament that talks about one of the prophets, I believe it was Elijah, what could have been Elijah, I was getting confused. And it says that, that these this prophet was walking in the woods and have a group of juveniles it says are teenagers came out and started teasing him because he had a bald head, he didn’t have any hair. And he says that he called down a curse upon them, and a bear around out of the woods and devoured some of them and wounded the others. So this was the man of God that we’re supposed to be you know, maybe patterning our lives after looking up to her as a fundamentalist your thinking was, I could get so special that it wouldn’t be okay for kids to even tease me about my bald head. And if I was upset about it, I could call on a curse upon them and kind of wild animal could come and attack them. Did this didn’t sit well with my concept of God or with my understanding of Christ and his philosophy of loving your enemies and things like that, but yet, fundamentalists have to weave all those stories together in the Bible and all those truths and things that are there and try to apply them to their daily lives just becomes quite a quite a conundrum.

Brandon Handley 10:22
So they’re a fundamentalist, and they’re applying it literally. They’re, they’re not using like that in any symbolic terms,

Cory Walker 10:31
or allegory. Yeah, it’s one of those things. That’s not really how it’s taught. And most of the most of the denominations it’s taught as this was an Old Covenant time where God related to man in a different way than he does now. And so things have been different back then than they do now. And that you know, kind of how we smooth it over and help people feel better about you know, the Sodom and Gomorrah and the gods flooding the earth and you know, everyone but Noah being killed There’s no assembly being killed, things like that. But I remember as a, as a father of young children go into, you know, our evangelical church and just thinking, I don’t want to send my kids to Sunday school because I don’t want anybody to teach them some of these stories. And I don’t even know, I don’t know how the, I don’t know how the Sunday school teachers going to teach them these stories, or they’re going to teach him, you better behave, or God’s gonna get really mad at you, and rain down fire and brimstone on you, you know, or turn you into a pillar of salt or whatever the other story is in the Old Testament. So, you know, fundamentalists do believe in a literal interpretation of Scripture. And therefore those things would not be allegory or symbolic things that actually happened. And God was relating to man, I personally now, I still hold great reverence for the scriptures and find a lot of truth in there. But I just see them as being written. While there’s a lot of truth, they’re written from a man’s point of view. And man was walking in the light that he had at the time and the culture was different, and therefore, even some places like Like even one of the even one of the passages where supposedly Moses wrote the passage, it was handed down through generations of verbal, you know, communication that eventually recorded but it says right in the passage, Moses was the greatest of leaders at all times. So they’re like, let’s he writes about himself for Charlie aggrandized themselves? Or is this really you know, what’s going on? So, it’s just, you know, you just gotta understand that people are just, you know, culture was different back then. And it was recorded from man’s point of view, and not necessarily, from God’s words, to my ears to the pin on the paper type of inspiration.

Brandon Handley 12:37
Sure, yeah, I definitely get that I definitely get that. You know, but I got a wonder too, like, you know, so, this was also, you know, book that was compiled, you know, a library books, right, compiled, you know, way back when, and the translations over time as well. Right. And then one of the things that kind of pops up. I’m a fan of this guy, bill donohue, who, who, you know, has some pretty cool stuff on on YouTube. But he talks about, like, you know, what they were saying then could be real similar to so I’m hearing you talk about this, you know, called the curse and the bear chews them down, you know? And I’m thinking of how he would translate it and say it, it’s how we would say shooting the bull. Right? What was the other meaning of you know, calling that bear down on them? Right, you know, was that the bear within the man coming out and like, kind of raging out against some of those? Those are the types of things right, it’s really kind of a formula and you gotta you gotta wonder exactly, you got to really wonder and kind of play with it because I don’t personally feel like this was a book that was written to instill fear so much. Higher divinity.

Cory Walker 13:51
Yeah, I think it’s it was written, to help us to understand, in fact is to understand what God was like and, in fact, Jesus Himself So as you know, he comes incarnate. It’s like God in the flesh to show us what God was really like. But then he goes around loving the least of these, if you will, and hanging out with people that it wasn’t cool to hang out with prostitutes and tax collectors and all these people the riffraff of the day. And he really makes the religious people are really mad about it, you know, the Thera sees and the sadness is they’re getting all ticked off all the time. Because Jesus not really interested in in hanging with them. He’s hanging out with the least of these. So I think you see, at least from the perspective and the story of Christ that the gods are more concerned about the little guy than he is how spiritual react or you know how much we’ve got our ducks in a row.

Unknown Speaker 14:42
Now, fair enough, fair enough.

Brandon Handley 14:43
So, Pentecostal, what does that mean? Was it meant to mean to be a Pentecostal or Penn is a Pentecostal or Pentecost? Yeah,

Cory Walker 14:49
sir. Pentecostal. Um, yeah, essentially Pentecostalism started around 1900 and it’s a form of denomination several denominations of one of Christianity, that, that believes in the teachings of the Day of Pentecost, which is found in the book of Acts in the Bible. And it talks about a variety of gifts that God gives to man’s spiritual gifts. But Pentecostals focus in on one, which is called speaking in tongues, and it’s one of the more controversial ones. Or if you may have heard of, you know, holy rollers or people swinging from the chandeliers or wildfire, and all this weird kind of stuff in Christianity over the years, and over the last hundred hundred years or so, it’s all about Pentecostals, and it’s about having an emotional experience with God. And as a result, feeling like you’re greater connected to him, and I can really value and understand that desire, though. It’s also very centered around worship, which in modern context is, is the singing and playing of music, to bring reverence to God and to honor God and to talk about how good he is. But it’s all about what kind of experience in a Pentecostal church what kind of experience you can have when you Get together. It makes you feel good emotionally goosebumps on your arms, you know feeling like God’s presence is right there with you in the room. And all this stuff is inside emphasize you know from our kids church, we’re little kids and go into special special church service for them on Sundays right on up through the youth groups run up through the adult service. And so, you know, God really showed up is what we’d say if you felt you know, something emotional happening when when the worship was going on, or when the preacher was preaching or whatever the case may be.

Brandon Handley 16:31
Sure, no, I mean, I can I can definitely appreciate that. I know that actually just did a did a piece on the word numinous. Right? And it really sounds like it kind of speaks to the same type of space right where you’ve got connection with God or an experience. Um,

Unknown Speaker 16:50
and so,

Brandon Handley 16:52
I love I love it. It’s just sounds to me like it may have been

Unknown Speaker 16:56
over over exalted.

Cory Walker 16:58
Now. What came to focus yeah became the focus instead of me being one way to experience God, maybe it’d be the only way.

Brandon Handley 17:06
Sure not and I can I can definitely appreciate that. It’s very interesting. So the you said that there was a number of gifts and one of them speaking in tongues? What are some of the I mean, I don’t know the Bible myself, right. So how does somebody have the gifts that maybe, maybe some people aren’t aware of?

Cory Walker 17:22
Well, the Bible speaks of different spiritual gifts. And one particular case there’s a short list and then scattered throughout the rest of the Scriptures, that mentions other gifts. Like there’s a gift of spiritual gifts of gifting, where maybe God empowers you to make money, so that you can give that money towards his plans and his services. But then the fancy ones, if you will, the gifts that people were always hoping to have were like words of knowledge and words of wisdom, which would mean you’re speaking in a conversation with somebody and you have, I would call it you have a thought drop into your head and you share that thought with them and then boom, they’re suddenly hit. just overwhelmed was oh my gosh how did you know that or or contacts incredible how did you you know have to there’s no way you could have come by this on your own like God just dropped information into my head to share with you know almost on a profit basis and gift the process he was one of those things as well which was kind of speaking on God’s behalf more so than speaking to predict the future but so there’s all these different gifts and you were told you know this The Bible tells you to seek seek spiritual guests especially those that that build build up the body build one another up. But once again and this is coming across like Korea is the the tainted former pastor that is but but it seems like people are always looking for what we have made them look the best because all this happens most of these things I think God intended for them to be lived out in our daily lives. But something in modern Christianity is that we jam. We instead of seeing the churches who we are every day we see the church as a place we go In an event that we attend, so what happens with the spiritual gifts, what’s important is what happens when you get together. And therefore you’re doing it almost on a platform situation where you’re in front of others. And the man’s tendency to want to look good and pride gets in there. And you know, you never can tell what might happen. So, I chose doors. I’m not going to but I can tell stories.

Brandon Handley 19:23
No, I appreciate that. Right? Like so I mean, it as you’re kind of listing these off, right? without me being a member of a church or without me kind of going through the Bible, you know, this gift of giving is something that speaks to me, right, like, if you’re willing to give to others, then it’s my interpretation or my thought process that you know, the universe is going to continue to give to you, right, God’s gonna give you if you’re giving, you’re going to receive, right. And that’s, that’s kind of one way that I look at it, right. And then as you’re talking about these words of knowledge and wisdom, you know, words of wisdom. It can’t But make me think of the Akashic Records stuff. Right? So just kind of linking like different different. Yeah. Yeah. different spaces and, you know, gift the prophecies. I mean, I don’t know. Right. I think that i think that’s everyone, right? I think that it kind of, to me that kind of rolls back up into, you know, speaking in tongues, right? I just got goosebumps kind of thinking about it, right? Like, it rolls back into feeling that emotion and knowing that you’re kind of, you’re speaking your truth, right. But as you kind of roll back all the way back over to here, like, you know, each person kind of comes up with like, their own epiphany is like, oh, I’ve got a better way to explain it, you end up like, many, many thousands of different ways to kind of embrace and feel connected to God. Right. And, and for each person, I think that experience is going to be individual.

Cory Walker 20:50
Yeah, and I think that’s good because you know, a variety of theory, a variety of belief systems and a variety of ways, is a good thing because it allows each person to find The one that connects best with them. My biggest challenge over the years had been the the competitive nature that sets in. I remember growing up and there’s sometimes a god churches, which is the domination I was a part of, and they kind of cost the combination and they didn’t specifically teach it but you know, my wife grew up in the same denomination and both of us had a conversation where just kind of came away feeling like, you know, if you were a Christian, but you weren’t Assemblies of God, you weren’t quite getting it. All right, and, and you probably know that make it to heaven, but he probably wouldn’t get as many accolades as we would, because we were a part of this something of God. And so I went off, I went off to Bible College. I know that that wasn’t specifically taught in any of the classes, but I came away with the same feeling like we’re the elite. You know, we’ve we’ve got it going on. But one of the pastors in the church that I used to serve that used to say, he used to get up a couple times a year before Easter, the week before Easter, and the week before Christmas, and you get up and announce to the whole congregation, hey, you know, there’s people who only go to church twice a year on Christmas and Easter. And he said, You should invite people to come to our church on those days. Because if they’re going to go to church on twice a year, they should at least come to church or maybe something good could happen in their life, no kind of little dig at the other church. And it’s like they weren’t, you know, good enough, or whatever it is that that had crept in to almost every church scenario that I’ve been a part of, and I think it’s just a part of nature of man. Okay, okay.

Brandon Handley 22:24
No, I mean, that’s, that’s all fair. Right. So, you know, for so you’re a part of this for like, 20 years, last couple parts. You know, you just kind of started to fall out of it. And I’ve read briefly through your book. And you mentioned a book where you kind of helped you to kind of start separating away. Right. And you’ve shown it to one of your leaders. And he got it was like, Yeah, I don’t buy into this because it didn’t sound like it match with his way of thinking. Right,

Unknown Speaker 22:51
exactly. So

Brandon Handley 22:52
I’d love to hear a what was the book that kind of, you know, sure. It kind of changed your mind a little bit. What was that book

Cory Walker 23:01
I’m going to try to get the name right here. It’s a misunderstood God, and the lies that religion tells about him. I think the author was Darren Hufford. And he was a former pastor as well. But he was talking basically the same way that I have been, which is that there’s this God who loves you unconditionally, and has, has bent over backwards to make a way for you to connect with them. But yet religion spends a story, that’s something different, that seems undesirable to many people. And as a result, a lot of folks who want to find God don’t think that they can. And it just really started me thinking, the challenging some of the concepts and really, you know, you read a book and something rings true with you on the page and like, Oh, yeah, I’ve been thinking that for years. I just kept having that, you know, those kind of moments as I was reading the book with my wife, and I was like, wow, and then we just dove into, I don’t know, one point time, was right when I first started reading electronically, I had a I had a book reader at the time, and I remember And that period of time over about a year and a half that we digest, like 60 some different books, all around the same topics of church and what God intended for the church to be and spirituality and different things like that. Now, I’m a part of a men’s book group and we read, you know, a book a month and discuss it on Monday nights and we’re reading stuff that’s outside of the vein of Christianity, which I’ve always found to be very interesting because when you read outside of what’s your typical goto and you find the same truth elsewhere, then it starts to make you think that it’s because the author of the things that you hold dear, likely was the inspire some of the other things that you’re finding elsewhere in college. They called it all truth is God’s truth. Doesn’t matter where you find it. It says true.

Brandon Handley 24:50
Yeah, you know, and I agree with that, right. It’s it’s really interesting to find all these nuggets of truth everywhere. Right. It doesn’t really matter what you’re you find yourself reading, you start to see, like you’re saying kind of the same vein of how even movies, you know, show shows I’m watching. I’m like, Is anybody else seeing what I’m seeing here? Because it’s so it’s so obvious to me the story that’s being told. And again, though, it’s really like we started this, we start this podcast off with, you know, Cory, I’d like you to say something that only somebody else out there is gonna hear and understand. Right? It’s it’s kind of like I the way I’m watching that movie, or series, maybe nothing like what it was intended to be delivered. Right? Right. But I’m receiving it in a certain way, because that’s how I’ve set myself up

Cory Walker 25:45
now. But there’s a divine source that’s enter weaving truths throughout all genres and all aspects of life because because that divine source that I like to call God wants us to understand him and understand life. So So much that he’s willing to inspire people that don’t even know that they’re being inspired by them to share truth

Unknown Speaker 26:06
in a way that Okay,

Brandon Handley 26:08
again, like I mean, you know, something’s coming through you being spoken through you

Unknown Speaker 26:12
right now, this moment that

Brandon Handley 26:15
is intended for somebody else not even intended for you, for me, right now even intended for me and I love this. So here’s a really interesting book. It’s called horror, right? It’s called the vital center of man by he was a an analyst, the psycho psychological analyst, but he was also a orthodox, practicing Orthodox Christian, but he also spent time and about eight years with Zen masters, right. And, you know, one of the things that this one Zen masters said to them, was, it never occurred to me to keep keep weight to keep in my head what I’ve read If I mainly read the Bible or Buddhist books and prayers, I find that only such things that agree with my own thoughts. And I think that that’s what you and I are saying here is that when we’re reading now we’re like, the books are almost a mirror to what we’ve already learned and know, right? And this has been spoken back to you. And I find I found that was like, an amazing moment, right? When I read that line, I was like, holy shit, because I told my wife, I was like, everything that I’m reading is everything I’m already thinking of, and I’m just looking for the words to properly express it.

Cory Walker 27:31
Yeah, right. Some people and some people would say that you, you draw to yourself. There’s kind of a supernatural principle that you draw to yourself with as you’re looking for. You know, I just recently bought a different car. And the for my work vehicle and the type of card is I’d never really had thought about getting one before but once I got them then suddenly I see everywhere. I mean, every time I turn around, has fallen down the street. So it’s like, I didn’t look someone else’s got another one of those just like I do, I see it in part. parking lots everywhere. It’s like your mind becomes attuned to that which you’re used to or that what you’re looking for. And I looked for when I decided that’s what I wanted to buy, I was out there looking for him everywhere. And as a result, I’m My mind is turned on to that. I think it’s the same with what you’re saying what it is that you’re thinking and you’re feeling in your heart. And suddenly you start to see it come alive in the pages of books or in the movies or in the newspaper, on television shows or whatever.

Brandon Handley 28:25
It’s everywhere. It’s everywhere. My first my first blog and my first blog and a couple of my first videos was called just a wit You know, this is called the blue car effect. Right You know, they’re looking for a blue car you see him everywhere is exactly what I’m saying. And, and, you know, I often go through just like what you’re saying once you set that question in your mind you know, the answers start coming up for it right you don’t sure we go look and we Google, we do all these things, but it’s almost easier to ask you know, quote, unquote Ask the universe for an answer. Just let it kind of come to you let it show it will show up. Once you have that question for yourself, the answer will show up. Now you can do it again, you can go hardcore and go hit and all the books and put all this pressure and stress on yourself. But chances are, that answer is gonna show up.

Unknown Speaker 29:18
Right? Totally. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 29:21
So, um, you know, so where are you? I mean, what’s it like, now you’ve left? What was the separation? Like, I’d love to hear kind of like what that was like, and, you know, in in that in that scenario,

Cory Walker 29:32
that was like, divorcing everybody that you held dear. Hmm. And having everybody be mad at you, or at least it felt like it anyway. I’m sure part of its interpretation. But you know, when, you know, we kind of we didn’t really spend a story but you know, when we decided to move we moved. We decided to move when we decide to leave church we we moved out of the community we were part of and moved six hours away to a new area, and it had been On our heart to do it anyway. But this new area was very spiritually minded, but not real big on religion. So church attendance is really down here. But you see all kinds of alternative spiritual pursuits going on. And, and that’s kind of what we felt drawn to not that we were going to, you know, go start reading poems or doing something, you know, there was necessarily new age or this or whatever we still consider ourself Christians, we just felt like we wanted to be around non traditional people, because they’d be, you know, they’re not going to be looking down their nose at us because they don’t show up. And so the Pew on Sunday mornings, so it was a difficult time. Even my folks right now still have, I don’t talk about anymore, but I’m sure that they still shake their head like, I can’t believe you know, we raised this young man. And he, you know, felt this call on his life to go become a pastor. And then he did 25 years and now we just build on the whole thing. But what they don’t understand is my philosophy and I shared my book with them, and I hope that they’re gaining understanding but the philosophy is if we are the Church and that is the body of Christ as Christians, and it’s not the building. And it’s not an organization than whether or not we choose to go sit in the Pew on Sunday mornings are not as real as irrelevant. It’s whether or not we’re following the truth of God as expressed through our life and how we treat others on a daily basis. You know, my friend Jeremy messaged me earlier today and he said, What are you doing on this fine Lord’s day? And he was saying a tongue in cheek because for years for a year or so after I stopped attending church, my dad would text me about every few weeks and so on Sundays and say, What are you doing to honor God on this Lord’s day? And I started texting him back and saying, I thought every day was the Lord’s Day. Like we’re supposed to do something special on Sundays, right? But reality was saying, hey, let’s just make every day special and, and how we treat others and, and, and our daily practices is just as important everyday as it is on Sunday mornings.

Brandon Handley 31:56
So I mean, I’m curious. If you You know, kind of going through that separation process, if those are some of the words that you would use to share with others as to why you were leaving?

Unknown Speaker 32:10
Yeah.

Cory Walker 32:13
Most people didn’t ask quite frankly.

Cory Walker 32:17
You know, one of the reasons was, we were moving five, six hours away. So they just don’t know what we do or don’t want or what we don’t do. But the other part was for those who are closer, they grew up in the same kind of fundamentalist belief system. And there’s one particular scripture that says, Don’t forsake gathering together with other believers, as some are in the habit of doing and that that interpreted by every pastor I’ve ever heard, speak meant, make sure you’re in church on Sunday morning. And so when you just choose to say, that’s not, that’s not funny, that’s beneficial. And I don’t want that to be a regular part of my ongoing life, then people just, you know, there’s another practice that just kind of shown you it’s not necessarily intentional. I remember for years People have stopped coming to church and you try to get them to come back and let us not come back. And then you just say, Well, you know, that’s on them, I guess I’ll just minister to the ones who are still here, you know, but you just kind of gave up on them. And there’s a passage of scripture which says, if somebody departs of faith, try to try to turn them back. And then if they, you know, they still claim to be good followers of God, but refuse to do the things which are they’re supposed to be doing. They don’t have anything to do with them. And so I think a lot of Christians have been taught over the years based upon that scripture, that is somebody off the deep end, whether it’s messed up and drugs or alcohol or you know, cheating on their spouse or even just not going to church anymore, that you just kind of don’t have anything to do with them, either. Because somehow it’ll teach them a lesson, or because somehow their disobedience if you will, is going to tank, your spiritual walk. It’s just not a healthy thing. But unfortunately, that’s kind of the way it is a lot of boys.

Brandon Handley 33:54
That’s interesting, right? So, you know, Were you upset at all that nobody asked you You know that you know, get more requests?

Cory Walker 34:02
Yeah, you have a little bit of, it’s probably more grief than anger, just a little more grief, but you invested a lot into relationships, and then people just kind of, you know, part of the move, I’m sure, but that plays something into it. Because when you live six hours away from where you weren’t living, it’s just not convenient to connect in the way that you were before. And if like, oh, Cory and Lisa, his wife just moved off, you know, so Okay, well, I guess we’ll find some new friends. But you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, but I do have several. I have a band of about five brothers that good good men that I’ve known for a number of years and we all stay connected. Fact is, they’ve come down here and visited me multiple times we’ll have a rent a cabin or something and go out on the lake or, you know, sit around the bonfire, you name it, and it’s just been really encouraging time. So.

Brandon Handley 34:54
Okay, so you also mentioned being around people that are spiritually minded, right? What does that what does that mean to you?

Unknown Speaker 35:03
Huh? Yeah, it’s uh

Cory Walker 35:07
it all starts with heart to me. I mean, I’m not a big fan of doctrine, which is philosophies and ideas that we are taught that we follow as much as I am. What’s your heart? How do you? How do you perceive the universe in your case, or God, in my case, is, is wanting you to interact with others? And are you being true to that. And there’s a lot of people around here, even though there certainly would not be considered Christians, by most or even by themselves, that we’re living more of a Christ like life. So how they lived out their heart, then a lot of people that I’ve known in church over the years, because it was about checking the boxes and doing the to do lists, more so than how we treat everybody on a daily basis. So find a lot of people like that and we’re connecting with a lot of them. It’s been it’s been a journey. It’s Rio when you leave behind your paradigm and not just your city, you know, the, the place and the venue in which you were interacting with others is now gone because we don’t attend church, then it becomes really important what you do with your daily life when I’m working with my customers or my friends or working, my kids are working with their co workers or my wife’s interacting with people in the neighborhood, those things become incredibly important because they’re really the only interaction that you have. And that’s where your social life is going to grow from.

Unknown Speaker 36:30
Now I get it. So you know,

Brandon Handley 36:33
I think about Buddhism to one of the big pieces of that is is the community right so sounds to me like you know that that was the community and that was your space. What what are you replacing that with just just work? Have you been able to replace that sense of community anywhere else?

Unknown Speaker 36:55
Have

Cory Walker 36:57
we looked initially first organizations to get into They’re like, Oh, maybe we can find some nonprofit or volunteer this or that or whatever. And nothing seems to be a good fit. And it also is kind of seriously kind of pushing our organizational buttons, because when you’re part of a nonprofit organization for decades, you just learn the politics and stuff that’s behind the scenes. But what I have found Well, if you got time, I’ll give you a quick example. One of my customers just astounds me, I’m a licensed contractor now. I went to do a bathroom remodel. And the day before they, the I showed up, Dave, for I showed up, they were, they found out that his wife had breast cancer, and she was going to have to have a lump removed. And as a result, we were we were just trying to, you know, remodel her bathroom, but she just opened up and shared all this information with man. So I’m sorry, master bathroom. So she’s in there sitting on the bed, and adjacent room looking in while I’m working and just poring over heart and talking to me. And I’m like, well, she didn’t even know I was a former pastor. And I hadn’t even spoken Difficult as a Christian, but I was just listening to what she said, say and kind of just empathizing and trying to help her. And she seemed very appreciative of it. Well, then she goes in for an MRI right before her surgery to make sure that the cancer about spread and it hadn’t. But they found out that her aorta was enlarged, and she’s gonna have to open heart surgery. And so then she A week later, she goes to meet with a surgeon for open heart surgery. And he says, Well, I don’t think this is even operable. And I’d say you’ve got less than five years. And she’s like, Oh, my gosh, so she comes home and she’s just talking to me about all this stuff. And then I just opened the door for us to have conversation about what it means to be alive and what takes place after you die and how none of us really know exactly what that is. But we have to do whatever it is that helps us find peace in the moment. And then I just was able to share with her that I believe in the divine, and that I believe that good things away for us after the fact because because of his goodness, not because of ours and then just loved on her and told her I was praying for her and master if there’s anything we could do to help, and we walked her dog while she was out having surgery and you know, just trying to be a decent human being, and that seems to be more important to me than ever before, because that’s where I’m meeting people. And that’s where I’m making connection. So,

Brandon Handley 39:18
sure, sure. Sounds to me too, like, focusing on the few right, focusing on the present, focusing on the moment. And not not being concerned with like, having to have like, to being good, decent human being. Yeah, right. And does it does it need to be more, but it sounds like your community is kind of like within those that you everybody’s part of your community?

Cory Walker 39:42
Yeah, I always felt like I was felt a little resentful, in fact, because I had this quote, unquote, calling on my life through your minister and it seemed like everybody else had their regular life. And then, and that was it. And I had my regular life and the special calling, which involved me doing all these extra things to go above and beyond. It’s just like, Oh my gosh, how much do I have to give, but now I’m just like, just being a decent human being and your regular life goes a long, long way. And these people we’ve connected with three or four times a year, we’ll have big parties at our house and just invite all my customers and my wife’s friends and different people from the neighborhood over and just, you know, have a chili feed or have this or that and it’s just incredible that people will be walking around living room. So how do you know Cory and Lisa, talking to each other and ask them questions like, wow, we have either been planted here by somebody else, or we have just dropped into this neighborhood and have started to make a difference in the lives of people in our community. And word is getting around the other day. My wife posted I was doing some work on her own house and she posted a picture of me doing the work on her Facebook feed and someone that’s never met either one of us, but who is in the community and is fairly well known. So as you guys are the new power couple. We’re sure glad to have you. Yes, smile. I was like, I don’t know that. We’re Anything special, but it’s good to see that we’re actually making an impact.

Brandon Handley 41:04
That’s great. And I mean, does it feel nice that you’re kind of making this impact without having to feel this extra pressure to do so?

Cory Walker 41:11
Yeah, totally effect is another friend of mine asked the same question a couple days ago. Is it great to be pastor Corey, it’s great to be Cory and still have pastor Corey and I said absolutely candidate, just so much less pressure and, and not having to pour your resources and time and effort into an organization which may or may not be promoting the things that you believe gives you the time and resources to pour into the people that you come across on a daily basis. We were able to help a single mother who was in terrible needy situation a few weeks ago, and we had the money to do it because we weren’t giving 10% of our income to an organization every every week when we got paid, you know, and and for those who believe that that’s what they’re supposed to do. That’s great. I did it for years and it worked for me then but it no longer does. And now I now I look for opportunities to give To help and to be a decent human being to everybody around So,

Brandon Handley 42:04
right, right, I mean, not just not just to the church, right? Yeah, just one specific organization. It’s another, you know, again, you know, I’ve got a buddy who’s a Buddhist Reverend, and he talks a lot to being able to give charity with wisdom, right? And not just not just do it kind of blindly. And yeah, just kind of give away everything just because, but do it with with a sense of wisdom and a sense of knowing that, you know, what you’re giving to is, is from your heart, not just because back to your point to just check a box, right? So, I love that. So, you know, I’m just kind of chuckling to myself, but you know, you know, let’s, let’s say that, let’s say that you’re creating a church. What would that look like to you? Right? What would it be, you know, if you were to spin off, out of all these other thousands of different organizations You know, and maybe you feel like you’ve been touched in a way that maybe some other people hadn’t been? How would you do differently?

Cory Walker 43:08
Well, great question, in fact, is we’ve asked my wife and I’ve asked ourselves this question many times, because one of the things we did not want to do when we left organized Christianity was just to go create a slightly different version of it, that we thought was a little bit better. We just kind of want to set the whole thing aside and try to live out our faith on a daily basis. That being said, you know, when you get up and speak to people on a weekly basis, or maybe multiple times a week for a half your life and then you stop doing it and the largest group to speak to might be three to five people. And that would be on a rare occasion. There’s always an itch that wants to be scratched, to get up and speak to people again. I’ve toyed with potential for some motivational speaking or maybe even a little bit of stand up on occasion, a local club, one of the local clubs turns out just because I have a gift of gab and I enjoy using it but If I were to create something that looked like a church, it would probably just be more like something where we got together on a monthly basis to just swap stories about what was going on in our lives and the good things that we saw taking place. And maybe, you know, 10 or 15 minutes worth of positive, encouraging instruction, towards just being a better human being, that would be the most organized I’d ever want it to be. I’m not renting or owning a facility or you know how to take up an offering or anybody getting a salary from design or anything like that. Just Just humans who consider themselves part of the same community gathering together to recognize that there’s divine presence in our life. And when we follow it, good things happen for us and the people that were around,

Unknown Speaker 44:47
nice, all of that. So

Brandon Handley 44:50
if somebody out there is feeling this kind of divine pull to break away from a life that they’ve always known, you know, how would you How would you want What would you say to that person? How would you help them through that? Right?

Cory Walker 45:03
I’d say give me a call.

Cory Walker 45:06
Actually, my website has a place where you can connect with me if you’re gonna if you’re on that journey, because you’re going to feel alone. And if you just Google non traditional Christian, you’ll get a bunch of stuff that comes up. But none of us really dealt with how to transition out of organizational Christianity at all, was more like, you know, trendy type churches where they have smoke machines and stuff like that, you know, or rock and roll music or whatever, you know, wasn’t really more along the lines of, Hey, I don’t really want to sit in a church on Sunday mornings anymore. And it, you know, I guess, effect is I have several friends who are life coaches, and I’ve done a little bit of myself and I thought on a couple occasions, maybe down the road, what I need to do is make myself available as a spiritual coach to people who are transitioning away from traditional forms of a face into more of a daily applicational living and just Help them walk the journey as someone who’s just maybe a step or two ahead of them down the path somewhere path.

Unknown Speaker 46:05
Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 46:06
love that. Right. Listen, as you said earlier, we don’t know how this thing ends, right? We don’t know what’s on the other side. But what we do know is that today, if we’re living in accordance to living from our heart, if we’re doing what we feel is as good as it can be, you know, then every day you can theoretically you could be in heaven, right? Every day you can live a life that is giving and is the spiritual way. But there could be someone who doesn’t know what it means to live life as worship right. My niggas got something you were saying earlier right? live every day so it was the you know, the Lord say and again, you know, listen, I think that there’s bristles right like, you know, from for people, you say, God, they’re like, Oh, no,

Cory Walker 46:56
there goes yeah.

Cory Walker 46:58
loaded, loaded term. But for

Brandon Handley 47:00
even for me, right, I still I still toy with it mentally. You know, when I write the word God, I do little g just because I, I it’s just, it’s just the whole concept, right there’s there’s a wall in my mind with big G, right, but there’s no wall in my mind with universal or creative energies, all these other things, these are all ones that are free flowing, that mean the same thing.

Unknown Speaker 47:26
Right? To me.

Brandon Handley 47:28
And it’s easier for me to accept it right. So I think that you know, just just just as with you, like, if somebody were on this path, and they were coming out of a traditional church that would be easy for them to gravitate towards you, right? Because you’re got that experience. Whereas like, if it was somebody who’s coming onto this path that was just kind of coming onto this path. That wasn’t such a big g kind of guy, right? Then it might be somebody like me, right, where he’s like, Listen, we’re going to talk in Universal we’re going to talk all these other things, but

Cory Walker 47:56
yeah,

Brandon Handley 47:58
I love I love what you’re doing. There. That I think that that’s, you know, wonderful because they need that right. And here’s, here’s one of the things that I was saying too is is of with, with your, with the Bible with a faith with religion, it’s kind of like a framework for the space that you’ve gotten into is that you know, how, what is your What is your concept or idea that like as as it being the framework, not necessarily the whole building and structure and everything that it needs to be.

Cory Walker 48:29
Yeah, that’s a good way that’s a good way to look at it. I think it’s the skeletal structure and you put the meat in the bones on after the fact you know, it’s not the bumps and beaten in the skin on after the fact you get to build out your faith in the way that you that you can feel good about. Now, I’ve never believed spirituality was just all about feeling good. But the bottom line is, you need to be able I need to be able to live in a way that’s congruent with what I believe and if my beliefs are such that they’re preventing me from Living honestly, with my heart, then I’m just not in a very good place. And so, you know, I think religion is a good place and, and traditional forms of religion are a good place for to give structure for people who feel like they just be lost out there on their own if they didn’t have, you know, some guidance or some set of this or that, to help them down the path. And and I respect that. And one of the things that we believe over lifetime believe when we first stepped out of out of traditional Christianity was that it’s every individual’s responsibility and privilege to figure out what their faith is supposed to look like for them, instead of telling someone Well, you shouldn’t go to church, you know, I’m going to say, Hey, if you’re finding benefit in that, and I think my book reflected that in a couple ways, if you’re, if you’re finding benefit and being a part of an ongoing church, then then do so but if it’s not long, it’s no longer working for you. Don’t be afraid to step away and I just felt like that makes a lot more sense. than the one size fits all, you know, hey, let’s all jennea flex every Sunday or let’s all take communion on the first Monday, first Sunday of the month, or let’s all do this.

Cory Walker 50:10
To me, it just wasn’t it wasn’t working anymore.

Brandon Handley 50:12
Now I get it. I get it. Do you see yourself ever going back into it?

Cory Walker 50:16
Yeah, you know, my best friend. His name’s Jeremy. I think you’ve met him before. But he says. He says, Don’t you wish we could just go back to being good Methodist. Now neither one of us have been. Neither one of us have ever been Methodist. But the sentiment is Wouldn’t it be so much easier not to ask the deeper questions and to follow your heart and just do what you’re told. Just to show up once a once a month or twice a month and show some change in the offering and feel good about checking the boxes. Sure, when neither of us. Neither my wife or I really feel like we could ever take that journey back. There may be some phenomenal church out there that teaches the love of Christ and the grace of Christ without all the shoulds and this open to anybody who wants to come that we just haven’t discussed Get but certainly in our region. To my knowledge, it doesn’t exist. And know, if it does, I’ll ask, I’ll ask the divine Lord of the universe to bring it and drop it in my lap. So that all is there. And it does and I’ll be happy to walk through the door

Brandon Handley 51:15
a little bit. What um, you know, I was like trying to find out some different books or whatnot, you said you went through like 66 books as you were kind of gone through going through, you know, the, the E reading phase, what are what are some that like a really kind of revolutionized your way of thinking as it comes all this stuff?

Cory Walker 51:36
Well, you know, if you’re coming at it from a Christian standpoint, there’s couple good books, one of them’s called organic church. I can’t think of the author right now that is well known. And it just talks about some of the stuff I’ve talked about here today, about how it’s supposed to be an organism that’s supposed to grow on its own. And it’s supposed to be a living, breathing thing that’s made up of people not organ organization. The other one was called patient Christianity, it was a great book. And it talks, it traces all the doctrines that we hold dear today, back to in many cases, their pagan roots and the sense that they’re not, not of God, if you will, not biblical roots, but just traditional roots that go to different different types of belief systems all over the world. And so don’t get so hung up on whether something is biblical or not, you know, because most of what we do in our Sunday morning services isn’t from the Bible, it’s just things that are developed over 2000 years worth of religion so but you know, on the non Christian, if you will side outside of the mainstream, I really love the books like the Four Agreements and, you know, books that just, you know, I’m reading a lot of stuff. Like recently we’ve been rereading for third or fourth time then Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey. You know, just a lot of the lot of the stuff that for years in church, we were told not to read because you’re supposed to read Christian stuff, but yet every time I read the stuff that’s not Christian stuff, because by training of my upbringing, I’m seeing all the biblical truth that’s present in the non Christian stuff. Show goes goes back to that the divine wanting us to have truth bad enough, he’s willing to put it wherever he has to, in order to get it into our hands.

Brandon Handley 53:13
Right. I mean, that’s the whole, you know, cast it was a casting pearls before the swine, right? Like, I’m not saying that though, there’s always going to be this wine that doesn’t understand or appreciate the pearl. Right, versus you know, somebody else is looking for those exceptional pieces wherever they go. Yeah, that’s kind of, you know, so I’m hearing a little bit. So I’m curious there too. You know, I would hear stories about like paganism and the story of the cross in Christianity. I’m curious, did the pagan Christianity book did it talk to that at all?

Cory Walker 53:45
Well, the cross it didn’t specifically mention the cross. But we do know from historical documents that the cross was the form of capital punishment that you know, the Romans Jews and the Romans were occupying Israel at the time so Jesus would have died on a cross Because of, because that’s the way that they killed people back then. So that, that, that from what we can tell is accurate, but there’s just so many like even, you know, many of the end just things are so interwoven together and we don’t even recognize it. And I’m just going off of memory. But like even the you know, like today when we give toasts, maybe at a wedding or at a party, and someone raises their cup and gives a toast to somebody, it’s traced back to Communion within Christianity, where Jesus took the cup and said, This is my body is broken for you, as often, you know, drink this as often as you as often as you drink this, remember me. And so a lot of the things that are interwoven throughout our, throughout our culture in our society, can can come from some Christian stuff, and then a lot of the things that we have in Christianity came right out of very non Christian, what we would call pagan societal practices, just as a result of you know, having As the message of Christ spread throughout the world, it would be in and spread into different cultures than it was originally brought to. And result, different things would be adopted. And so that is a great little book called pagan Christianity. And it’s a, it’s a good read. So

Brandon Handley 55:16
thanks for sharing that. And like you’re saying, it’s really interesting to see where something starts and where it ends up. Right? How did it start? And where is it showing up in different spaces in our lives? So thank you. Thanks, man. You know, I think it’s been a lot of fun. I think I really definitely enjoyed kind of going through. For me, Pentecostal stuff was really kind of eye opening, sharing those gifts was also something to me that I wasn’t aware of. Right. So I think that there’s definitely stuff within, you know, Christianity within the scriptures that can really speak and rang true to some people are afraid to go into because of the organizational stuff because of some of the horror stories because of like, you know, you know, like, just your, they don’t want to go in and check off all these boxes, but they do. Do want, they do want to feel, quote unquote closer to God. Right.

Unknown Speaker 56:04
Yeah, totally. And and so, you know,

Brandon Handley 56:08
I think that that’s available to anyone like you’re saying, just kind of go out and seek it for yourself right and see, can you sell fine, right? Whatever. Whatever whatever you’re seeking is seeking you all that jazz. But Corey, thank you so much again for hopping on today. Where should I send somebody who’s going to come? Look for Corey Walker,

Cory Walker 56:29
probably the easiest way is to go through my website and that’s church Been there, done that calm, church, been there done that calm. And while I certainly still believe in the church, I just believe it’s who we are. A church attendance is something I no longer do. So that’s why we named a website that the web the book is available for free download there. And there’s ways to contact me through there if you’re wanting to just somebody to talk to or if you’re wanting to develop an ongoing friendship or relationship you know, that’s the joy of the internet. Now we can find people, even though we may be in the minority We can find people from all over the world that we can connect with who are thinking and feeling the same things.

Unknown Speaker 57:06
Now 100% So, let’s say you started Coreys spiritual coaching today what what Who do you feel like would be your ideal client?

Cory Walker 57:18
Um, you know, people who definitely people who grew up in the Christian faith, but who are seeking who seeks to find benefit in it and or they just can’t, they can’t live with some of the inconsistency is that they’re finding and the faith and instead of getting dumping God all together, if you will, they can find an alternative way to express their fate without having to have the religious aspect of it. That’s probably my ideal

Unknown Speaker 57:45
client. Awesome. Well, guys, if that’s you reach out to Cory.

Cory Walker 57:50
Thanks, Cory. thank thank you so much. Have a good day.

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4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, the voice of a generation. I am on with my good friend, Jeremy Todd from the positive side, you may ask yourself the positive side of what of everything. positive side of everything Jeremy Todd and I, we go way back. So you’ve got the podcast positive side, you’ve got your coaching, you know, just high level executive success coaching, that you’ve been running for years now. And I’ve loved watching you kind of grow that business and continue to grow yourself. And we’re going to talk today a little bit about leading your life from a spiritual angle and doing it so that you’re having a more fulfilling more successful life. How’s that sound to you?

Jeremy Todd 0:48
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Brandon Handley 0:50
show. jacked up and fired up. Yeah. Yeah, I decided that Jeremy I think was my very first podcast and and man We couldn’t GS Remember, we’re trying to figure out how to even like talk to each other. I think you had to record on your side, I had to record on my side on a child, like the cast was terrible. But the conversation was magic. And the magic continues before before we get going, right, so the first thing I like to start us off with is, you and I were conduits for you know, the creative source energy of the universe, right? And when we when we put these podcasts together, when you and I are connecting, we’re not connecting because you and I, like have a good conversation and we like each other. Yeah, it’s because some type of message it’s got to come out of this. And it’s got to come through you by being here today. What’s that message that the university Sangeeta?

Jeremy Todd 1:44
Well, for me, it’s, it’s it’s a message that I’ve been really resonated with recently. I’ve always been resonating with this message, but recently, it’s more important than ever that you know, it’s that authenticity and being comfortable with myself and really being with everybody out there. It’s, you know, the spirituality part. to even be comfortable with that. I think there’s so many obstacles in our way and so many negative things that pop up on a day to day basis in our life with craziness going on. And it takes away from who we truly are. And it takes away our message. It takes away our spiritual spirituality. And you know, I’m tired of it. I’m ready to go the other way. I’m ready to really double down on my spirituality and double down on the positivity. Yeah. Because dammit, I’m tired of the negativity. And the only way we’re going to do it is we’re going to lead from the other side. And, you know, that’s the side I want to be on. I don’t want to be on the negativity side. I want to just, you know, trust and believe in myself with thee with the powers that I have already within that, I think, and they’ve been clouded for years. They’ve been clouded in the now with the craziness. They’re even more clouded. But not anymore. Dammit, I’m tired. I’m sick and tired of this stuff. And you know, we talked briefly before this started about one of the things and again, I’m going on tangent, so I apologize but

Brandon Handley 2:54
other things as a message that somebody needs here. It’s coming through you.

Jeremy Todd 2:57
Yeah, you know, we talked about you know, I’m ready to That book and I’m not here to talk about the book, but really here I’m talking about is the exercise of writing. I’ve never done it. I’ve never wrote more than three pages in my entire life. And now that I’m actually trying to put ideas down on paper, it’s allowing me to go through this process in my head that I’ve never really been able to truly, not only just understand, but comprehend. Because things happen in my life and things happen in your life and in everyone’s life that they’re so hard for us to understand. And I try my small little brain, try and figure it out. And then you know, you lose topics, you lose organization in your own mind, because you go off on tangents, you think about other things. But as this writing process happens, and this is I guess, the biggest thing for everybody listening is write down some of those ideas. I recently had a piece of paper and pen next to my bed. So when I’m sleeping, I get an idea, boom, I write it down. But it’s just being more organized and then being able to revisit that same thought, when I will. When typically in the past, when I would have an idea. I would struggle my way through it or fight my way through it. And another Understand why is this thought in my head right now? And then I’d be done with it, I move on with it, and then it would come back. And then I wouldn’t be as clear as I am. Right. So throughout this writing process process and writing these things down that I’ve gone through in my life, it’s given me a better opportunity to understand, you know, what the meaning was, at the time in my life. Why was it brought to me at that time in my life? And what have I actually learned and where I can build from that at this point in my life? So, man, it’s just in the last few weeks, last few months, I’ve just been really magical. And you know, that’s why it just ties right into this podcast. I was excited to get on the show to really talk about these things and talk about the things that typically other people don’t want to talk about it don’t know how to talk about it, or they know how to talk about it, but they’re scared to talk about it. And I think that’s a bigger thing. How am I going to get judged? Are these Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:44
am I weird? You know, to me, this is a you know this. So first of all, thanks for sharing that message. To me. It sounds like a message of you know, trying to reacquaint yourself with yourself. Yeah, exactly. And it’s also trying to capture Those images that you create in your mind when they’re clear, and they’re vivid, and they’re fresh on a piece of paper so that at least when you come back to them, you capture the full essence of what that image was. And because those, those little flashes of insight are just so powerful. And if you don’t write them down, like you’re saying, when you come back to it, it’s a faded version of what it was when you first saw Yeah, you’re like, this doesn’t seem nearly as potent as it was, like, 45 minutes ago, right? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 5:30
exactly. Or I could completely forget about it. And then I’m like, damn it. What was that idea that I have? It’s so powerful, for sure. Now, I can’t remember it. All right,

Brandon Handley 5:38
that’s Tammy. It’s amazing. Like I’m just like little little short bursts of like, capacitor energy, like, you know, that’s the I don’t know what you know about electronics, right? But uh, so there’s little capacitor there that the energy gets stored in so that when you take a picture with the flash, right, it’s a high burst of energy in that capacitor. Okay. But then it dissipates. And it takes a while for it to fill back up.

Jeremy Todd 6:03
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, this isn’t. And, you know, I just think that the journey that I’m on now it’s one of the most powerful and exciting journeys I’ve ever been on my entire life because this is exactly like that. It’s those ideas that I’ve never been really, really processed throughout, in my own head. And I’ve also mentioned this a lot lately is that, you know, I believe I have all the right answers already within me. But when I’m clouded by the darkness, or the negativity or just being busy, or all the other bullshit excuses, I can put in my own head and give myself away out. It just I’ve never really had the opportunity to sit down and be within myself and work my way through this and discover the answers that are right there in front of me. You know, like meditation.

Brandon Handley 6:44
You know, first of all my own throws out at you right? In this book. I love this book. It’s called a more beautiful question, right? We have been taught to have answers, right. But one thing that we haven’t really been taught well, and I haven’t been taught well, right is how to ask better questions how to ask like those. Sure, deep questions. And if we don’t ask those if we don’t if we don’t learn how to ask, we don’t learn how to kind of do that deep seeking, right? I mean, that’s part of coaching though, too, right? Like the reflective aspect of coaching. I want to I do want to lean back here for a second because you talked about being afraid to lead with like that. That’s spirituality, right with that, because that could be perceived weird. And that was really kind of something I had held myself back with. Right. And I’m super glad to hear like that, you know, you you’ve been looking for a place to have that conversation. You’ve been looking for a place to have that kind of it’s not necessarily exposed, but who can I talk to? That is going to understand where I’m coming from with this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 7:49
Hey, Brittany Haley. Absolutely. Hundred

Brandon Handley 7:51
percent. Right. Absolutely. And, and, and then like, you know, there’s zero judgment from that, too. It’s like, all right, yeah. I hear what you’re saying. And I I agree with, you know, everything you’re saying. And and the question becomes like, Okay, this is where you’re at, just like coaching, right? Where do you want to go? What do you want to do with this knowledge? You know it, right? Yeah. Now it’s, you know, that’s what you want to do. So you’re doing it through a process a book, right?

Jeremy Todd 8:18
Yeah, you know, and I think it’s also understanding and just really have the mental capacity of understanding that, and I love this quote is vulnerability. vulnerability is my strength. By being vulnerable, being who I am and being being weird and quirky, that’s my strength. And I’ve always shied away from that, like, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s maybe not what so and so thinks I am or I don’t want to get judged and all those other bullshit things that come in your head, but at the end of the day, none of that matters. And actually, the more authentic you are with yourself, the more powerful you become. And it’s taken me a long time to even understand that point of it because, gosh, I mean, all these answers that I’m thrown out there within my life, people are attracted to me more now than they’ve ever been because it is different. It’s what people have always wanted to do but they can’t they don’t have the power now they see, you know, they see you and they see me doing it. They’re like, you know what, maybe it’s okay. Yeah, those conversations are awesome to

Brandon Handley 9:08
know. It’s always awesome to you know, and I know that even when I started on the father for the rest of us podcast, I was like, Alright man, step into your power. Yeah. Right. And, and but this is so when I met Jeremy guys, ladies and girls, ladies and ladies and gentlemen, I met Jeremy in person years ago at a, you know, a podcast meetup. And one of the things that stood out to me about Jeremy was, you know, you talked about having to have 100% faith in yourself, and belief in yourself. Sounds to me and you know, I’m not trying to be judged. You’re not though it sounds to me like you kind of got disrupted with some of that, like over the past couple years, right. And that’s been something that’s kind of been eating you away, but now you’re finding kind of a Marie Newell. of this. I’ll call it you know, faith and self, you know, self belief. Is that what I’m here coming? Because I mean, you’re bringing the energy so

Jeremy Todd 10:08
well, there’s no question about it. And I think the biggest thing is, you know, it’s that old saying act as if, And hey, if I’m gonna be honest, completely honest with myself, I’ve always tried to just keep telling myself Hey, everything’s gonna be fine. If it’s gonna be good. I’m gonna be super positive, but I’ve never really dealt with the reality of what I’m actually dealing with in within my soul. So, yeah, yeah, hey, that’s me. And yes, I strive to stay motivated to stay positive. But man, it’s those darker things that I’ve never really faced in the past. And now I’m to a point in my life that I just don’t give a shit. Now. I mean, I just the more and more I self analyze myself, the better I become, and the stronger I become, and the happier I am. I’ve had this realization recently to it, and I’m doing right, a lot of writing about fear. And one of my fears was always about fear of being alone. And I really analyzed that about, you know, there’s two ways, the initial way I looked at that Was selfishly the eagle Tell me why don’t want to be by myself physically, like, like, I always want to have a partner with me. You know, I want to have a girlfriend, I want to be married, I want to have all this stuff. So I always felt like ask me, who what am I gonna do if I’m alone? I mean, how can I take care of myself? So it was all physical. Really the hard part of that one of the what I’ve really understood now is it’s not the physical part of being alone. It’s the mental part of being alone. How can I be alone with myself my own thoughts, I’ve got more time than ever now I’ve actually got to face these things. face these things that have always been right in front of me. All these things that I you know, my self doubt myself. You know, I’m critical of myself constantly. I don’t think I’m this or I don’t think I’m good enough or smart enough. So all these things now that I’ve understood that the fear of being alone wasn’t the physical part is the mental part. And now that I’m facing that part of it, it’s allowed me to grow exponentially. Because as I go through these things, I become happier with myself. I’m becoming my own best friend. Sure. And I think That’s so powerful that you know we always and again this is me, I always thought I had to have that person Sure. Instead of understanding that I’m good enough and I can be my best friend and that was

Brandon Handley 12:10
that I think that there’s a there’s a huge there’s a huge that that’s how we’re brought up man right we’re brought up the chaser relationship once you’ve got that great relationship you become whole type of thing and you know two people complete each other and all this other jazz right but you know, that may be the end and then then the end result but those two people come together I love I think it’s Wayne Dyer that talks about Thank you don’t come together as two halves and create a whole you come together as two people. You’re still two people. Right? With with Yeah, individuality is you got to come together as two whole people, right, loving yourself as for who you are and and before other people can love you. Correct. You

Jeremy Todd 12:55
can’t come in halfway. You got to come in 100% because no one’s ever gonna fill that void. That’s something that’s taking me a long time to really just wrap my head around that concept because I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if it’s just a switch one day. I’m like, you know what, that doesn’t make any sense. I mean, I kind of enjoy being alone, actually. I mean, it’s all good. But man, oh, man, the more you get, you know, alone and you start thinking your way through Why don’t you like little stuff? Jeremy, why don’t you know why don’t you give yourself excuses for not going to the gym? I enjoy the gym.

Brandon Handley 13:25
I heard you know, so here’s what I mean. Let’s talk a little bit about it. I know that I heard you kind of busting your balls on on your podcast about like, you know, setting up excuses for yourself and realizations and you know, your own but yeah, and weighs out more than anything. But let’s talk about you know, endless I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s everybody, right? That’s every human that’s out there does this to a certain degree. What I want to talk about those like, you know, kind of what you’re talking about is is kind of leading with spirituality where you you know, you’ve accepted the power within you, right? Yeah. And, and so let’s talk about What that means to you?

Jeremy Todd 14:02
Well, I mean, it’s almost for accepting the power of me is is tough because I don’t know if I’ve accepted all the power within me. It’s almost like I’m hitting, you know, analogy. I’m going going down a big hill and I still hold my hands on the brakes, not willing to completely let go. I’m going fast. We talked about earlier, take the hands off the steering wheel and just let it go. Right, right. I am. I’m getting closer. I believe in myself more now than ever. And, you know, you know, just to say, you know, I wouldn’t enjoy some wins, and not that I’ve never had wins in the past, but I want to enjoy a win on the spiritual journey that I’m on now. Maybe it is when I get that book out. That’d be a winner in the accomplishment. Maybe I don’t even know what what will it be, but it’s almost like I’m just, this is the path I need to go on. Yeah, I feel comfortable with this path. I don’t know what the end result looks like. But I’ve never felt so good about this path that I’m on that I’ve ever been in my entire life.

Brandon Handley 15:04
So let’s talk. Like, let’s talk a little about, like, so it’s like you’re kind of you’re kind of shading your own light is what I’m hearing. Right? So you’re kind of shading your own light. Because it’s, it’s a little scary to admit that what you feel inside is greater than anything that you’ve ever felt before.

Jeremy Todd 15:21
So exactly, right. Right. It is it is. You know, it’s the self, you know, then you have the self, where am I worthy enough? You know, and these things are just there. And again, I’m not trying to say who was me and but believe me, it’s the positive side guy, you know, I’m all good. But you know, in a different space, right? You’re just so you’re feeling when you dial down deep into it. Mm hmm. start identifying different things. It doesn’t change who I am as a motivational guy, inspirational guy, but it’s this new journey that I love picking this part about just to get better. And I love it. And love is challenging. It’s difficult. It’s extremely hard. And it’s the best challenge I’ve ever been on in my entire life and Because of the decisions I’ve made in my life, they all brought me to this exact point for a specific reason. And I’m excited about where this is gonna go.

Brandon Handley 16:08
Would you call it the serve resurrection of Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 16:11
I kind of feel like that man I really do. It’s it’s doing things that I enjoy doing. If I don’t want to do something, I just don’t do stuff. I don’t know how to even explain it.

Brandon Handley 16:20
But don’t do things that don’t bring you life. Right. Why would you?

Unknown Speaker 16:22
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 16:24
And I think that though, you know, there’s also there’s a precipice here, there’s a there’s a, there’s definitely caveats to this message, right? This is once you kind of step into this space that you’re in, because prior to that people would take that as meaning Well, I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna get wasted. I’m not going to do work yada, yada yada. That’s not what we’re talking about here. Correct. We’re not talking about going out and doing whatever you want. I’m gonna go streak and I’m gonna windows and all this other stuff. You can do that. Don’t get me wrong. I have a blast right there. Done that right. Don’t be a jerk. Um, but talking about, you know, what are the things ones that are fulfilling you right and looking for those and then adding more of those moments in your life is that we’re talking about here

Jeremy Todd 17:07
is exactly what I’m talking about and it’s doing little stuff that I want to do like I you know, I went on that trip to Ireland by myself. Yeah, man, that was the coolest thing in the world but no plans just hit said hey, I’m going by myself I don’t know anything. I don’t know anybody. I don’t know where I’m going but I’m just gonna go do it I’m gonna handle and it was a blast. I’m trying to plan my next trip and this is totally totally off the wringer but I want to go hunting for some reason never been hunting in my entire life. Right. Well, my buddy Dustin bond working you know, Dustin. Yeah, so I’m gonna go out and see Dustin Vaughn warranty and he doesn’t know it yet. But I’m sure to plan a trip down to go go down to Texas and go haul Connie. Nice. I mean, I’ve never shot a rifle before in my life. But it just sounds interesting to go out and and again, I’m not trying to sound horrible but kill an animal. But actually not just killing the same. See, let it like actually consume the animal. And again, you know, hey, I’m eating you know, we all eat hamburger and cheese. And we don’t actually see the beginning process. I mean I’m excited about the the mental journey I go on when I physically kill another animal and then consume that animal. What does that do with my perspective on day to day life with what may go and do you know, whatever, go to the restaurant get a hamburger. No.

Brandon Handley 18:18
It’s a rite of passage for you is What is

Jeremy Todd 18:21
it? Yeah, it’s just something different that I’ve always thought about to see what that process is actually, like, instead of just Hey, I’ll take a hamburger. The hamburger comes you don’t ever see any of that you don’t see the cow Walker? You don’t see it as a baby cow. Come on. Oh my god. It’s so pretty and it grows up and you don’t see any of that. Yeah. And I’m just really trying to get in touch with everything into my life. And that’s just one small area that I can do it and hey, let’s see how it goes. I don’t I

Brandon Handley 18:45
mean, that can be that could that could very well turn you into a vegetarian you never know. Well, because I’ll tell you I had an experience growing up as a kid I got the BB gun and there was sitting in the backyard of my grandparents house. There’s a was like a little bird said On the mulberry tree, right? Yeah. And I shot it, but then when I shot it like there was this thing that kind of just went through me it was so weird, right? Like when you Yeah, you know you’re ending something else’s life that look, we all step on bugs, right? we all we all flesh ticks. But yeah, it has something to do with like this this this bird right and and you know other lives. So you know it’s an interesting it is definitely an interesting experience to take another life and I mean, it’s very different than fishing. Right fishing Yeah, sure, sure. Same thing, but you don’t the same thing, right? You’re taking something out. Take taking something that was natural element and eventually you’re killing it and consuming it. Yeah, right. I mean, there’s no, there’s no way to sugarcoat that’s exactly what you know. But at the same time, it’s really, I think important. What it sounds like is you want to go on or that process and experience it for yourself. I mean, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 19:59
exactly. And

Brandon Handley 20:00
how’s that any different than mine ground beef?

Jeremy Todd 20:05
Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, I would never shoot an animal but I’m gonna go buy chicken or meat. Okay, I have a big have a big steak, okay, hey, I get all that but it’s just something I’ve thought about and I’d be really interested about the spiritual part about that is in how emotional is it going to be for me because I’m a big, I’m a big nerd. I’m a big softy. I mean, I’ll probably cry

Brandon Handley 20:26
like a little baby. I think it’s interesting. Um,

Jeremy Todd 20:28
but you know, if I’m going to kill it, I’m going to consume it. And I’m not going to just leave it out there and just waste it. But I’m also a big believer of everything you eat that you take the spirit of that animal to so the garbage food you do take on that animal spirit and that soul in that process, so if I go out to an animal and kill it, I’m taking on that animal soul. And I’m interested to see how that’s gonna make me feel a little bit differently when I actually eat the meat is gonna be a little bit different, like, the whole process is just something

Brandon Handley 20:59
I’ll never know. Doesn’t, I’m definitely interested to see kind of how that turns out for you. Right. And and the thing is main thing is, is not everybody’s journey is the same, right? Your journey is your journey. And like I said, I’m enjoying, I’m joined kind of the space that you’re in. Because it sounds like you’re kind of at this front end of it, exploring it more, you expose the, you know, call it the light, your spirit, whatever, within you accepted it. And again, now you’re like,

Jeremy Todd 21:29
now what? Yeah, yeah. And that, and that’s, I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer or direct explanation. But you know, it’s interesting, you know, and obviously, you don’t be pretty well in full disclosure, you know, coming out of a long term marriage. And, you know, it’s interesting when you’re in a long term marriage, and again, my perspective, no one else’s perspective, but you begin to and this isn’t all marriages, this is again, I’m just being very vague with this, but you begin to not develop as the person that you truly Are you almost become two people into developing and as one not this isn’t anything wrong with that totally cool. But I feel like I’ve went down that farce down the road for so many years and so long that I’d never really identify with who I actually am because getting married at a young age, you develop each other’s lives through each other through through each other’s experiences and preferences and opinions and, and again, not to say there’s nothing wrong with because it’s shaped me to who I am today. But going through that whole process and now being and again, go back to that fear of being alone. That’s part of this process is figuring out who am I actually, what do I actually enjoy? What actually does scare me? I don’t know those answers yet. And again, I’d love it that I don’t know the answers. Yeah. And I don’t know if I’ll ever know the answers because part of that process of trying to figure it out, develops the person that I truly am going to become Sure. It’s like chasing, you know, chasing the sunset. You’re never going to get But it’s always bright and always looks good and I’m all for it. Yeah, but I mean, but hey, man, I it’s exciting Dude, I I couldn’t be happier. I couldn’t be more excited about the future scared about the future all at the same time. But, man, if anybody out there, listen to the show, it’s just an opportunity to really dive down deep within yourself and figure out who you truly are. And there’s and the other thing about that is not that I have to say, but there’s no right or wrong answer to that. It’s not about I’m the right person or this is the wrong person. I was right. No, right or wrong. It’s Who am

Brandon Handley 23:33
I? The important thing is what you’re saying there is eliminate the judgment. Right? Don’t judge don’t judge who you are. Don’t judge the experience. Just

Unknown Speaker 23:45
be

Brandon Handley 23:47
right and it’s really and again, that’s something that unless and until you do it, it’s a very it’s very, it’s a that’s a very interesting experience. Um, and I you know, I picked that up through headspace, right and meditation and it was like, Don’t judge. It was like it was there was a I forget one of the meditations, but even at the very, very beginning, like, Don’t judge XYZ don’t judge this. And while I’m sure I never thought of myself as judging before, I recognize the difference between judging my thoughts and experiences versus not. And when you’re not judging them either good or bad. There’s like an elimination of like weight on attachment to that, because when you judge something as good or bad, you’re investing emotional energy into that. And that’s a hook.

Jeremy Todd 24:33
Yeah, that’s well said. I mean, you’re exactly right. Because when you use explain to court exactly perfect, because when you do put those emotions on things, they are heavy, and you don’t need to put any emotion on them. These are the things that have happened. These This is what the decisions I’ve made in my past. This is who I am not right, they’re not wrong. And it’s interesting when you talk about judging people because we’re judging. The first thing you always automatically is thinking about judging other people, but the first person you can’t judge yourself. And we always skip ourselves, you know, it’s like, oh, man, I’m gonna judge that person. I won’t judge that person. But this person, we got to not judge ourselves and what has brought us to this point in our life is all the good decisions and the quote unquote bad decisions.

Brandon Handley 25:14
Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, you know, what I kind of what I kind of got it down to was, you know, I tried really hard and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Right, and, and growing up, and the things that I did the things that I put in my body, the experiences I put myself through, and if I’m still here today, yeah, there’s a reason. Reason. Yeah. And so I’m exploring that my purpose changes. My purpose changes the month the meanings change, but I investigate that right. I investigate that and it sounds like again, this is kind of where you’re at, right? You’re investigating Jeremy’s purpose. You’re investigating Jeremy’s self identity. And I’d like to, you know, separate those two words. myself right your yourself those are two separate words right those are two ways now when you separate those two words and you break down what is your self that’s your inner being I mean you look up the dictionary self is like your inner being right yeah and and so that’s the piece that gets so neglected man and you know we show up in our you know late later ages nothing is all beat the hell it’s like it’s like it’s like you show up with a used car lot there’s the one that’s like got leftover because because they didn’t even want to take this wasn’t one it’s another

Unknown Speaker 26:33
is yeah

Brandon Handley 26:36
nothing left on it right. And now we’re like, I can resurrect this bitch. Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 26:41
yeah hundred percent. Well I think one of the biggest things like you were talking about there is that when when you are 100% comfortable with yourself. It gives you the ability to when other people come into your area. If you have a high level of your you know, your energies are super high. And then they’re clean too, because you can have a high energy and not even understand your high energy. So when you’re high energy and you’ve cleaned you have got no clouds of your head, and then someone else comes, approaches you you can sense their energies in one second. You know exactly what’s going on. Hey, I can tell you’re going through some stuff What’s up? No, I’m not. Yeah, er, because I can feel it.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
Right, right. And then

Jeremy Todd 27:20
all of a sudden it starts spewing all these things that’s going on because when you’re super, super clean, and you have that high energy, man, you just see life differently. That’s a different perspective. There’s a lot of things that come to you that you’re Yeah, you’re blank, your brain would block before but now it doesn’t block cc more you’re more aware you’re more alert and you just see the world in different way. It’s it’s powerful. It’s it’s the same as

Brandon Handley 27:45
saying the two is when you kind of release the fear and come at it with a clean energy. You’re open and receptive things because you’re you’re not goes back to judgment. You’re not cringing yourself. You’re not afraid of that person. Because you’re good with who you are

Jeremy Todd 28:03
correct? Yeah, you know, it’s so funny having conversations with people now that you male, female, whatever the case is, and they don’t want to tell you a story. I don’t want to tell you that because I don’t want you to think of me as this. I truly would never think of any differently than what we have right here. Right? I don’t care what you did in your past. I don’t care what happened because hey, what the past what you brought you to me, and now we’re having this conversation. I don’t judge. But people don’t people. You know, it’s almost like

Brandon Handley 28:30
if your story is funny and crazy, I’ll tell you. Yeah. It was crazy, though. Yeah, but you did you did that. Exactly. Okay. Right.

Jeremy Todd 28:39
But again, there’s no reason to charge anybody anything because we’re all of our spirits are completely different. But we’re all here. Like you said, we’re all here. Everything just bad decisions. I made, quote unquote, bad decision. This brought me to this point right now and I couldn’t be any happier.

Brandon Handley 28:52
Right? So I mean, talk to me how you feel, you know, a big part of this is leading with spirituality to for a more fulfilling life. Tell me how you feel like you’re doing that now?

Jeremy Todd 29:03
Well, I think it’s direct reflection of, of, of my podcast. I mean, I and again, I’m not here to promote promote my podcast but that’s that’s really what I do is I really promote a peaceful spirit, a peaceful body peaceful soul and being authentic and be comfortable who I am and experiencing that and telling people, it’s going to be okay. Hey, I’ve got this podcast that I tell people, the most honest, brutal stories in my life. But I don’t expect any judgment from anybody. I don’t judge myself for the experiences I’ve made. But I’m living from a spiritual peaceful place them coming out just to help others. And I can’t tell you how many emails responses I get from people all over the world that just call me randomly email me randomly Jeremy changed my life. Thank you so much. That you know I was going through tough times with the COVID I had a young lady that’s in Las Vegas she emailed me two weeks ago and said Jeremy changed my life. I was searching for a motivational podcasts. I searched positivity and yours came up. And I was blown away. I lost my job. You know, I have no money. I’ve got a young child at home. I don’t know what to do, right? But just having that mental spirituality, that peacefulness well come over to you, man, I’m telling you just makes a big difference and we will talk about it enough.

Brandon Handley 30:23
I think that um, you know, a piece a piece of that, right? Like, can talk to me like a little bit about what you’re feeling when you say spirituality because here’s another thing that, you know, I’m, I’m kind of tripping over the past few days, is when somebody says they’re spiritual, but like, they don’t believe in God or a higher source. There’s like, I’m spiritual. I’m like, no, not. Because like that answers. It’s void of weight and substance right sometimes. Sure. And so, you know, that’s why, you know, I saved you. So when you’re saying spiritual, to me, what do you what are you saying?

Jeremy Todd 31:00
I have a secret question. I am agnostic at best. I believe there’s a higher power that I believe there’s a higher source. I believe everything in my life happens for a specific reason. This is why I’m here. I don’t think my mind is or my brain is big enough to comprehend what all is going on. What I do know is that everything that’s happened in my life has happened for a specific reason. Whether that being a higher being whether that being God, whether that be Butoh, I mean, I’ve studied every possible type of religion in the world. But I believe there is something else out there, there has to be. And and again, I don’t know what that answer is it. It’s hard for me to comprehend. It’s hard for me to work my way through it. But what I do know is that I continue to do what I believe is the right thing to do. Everything always has worked its way out every single time in my life. It always has and always will. So when you talk about my spiritual for a specific, you know, white God on top of the cloud with a white beard, right, that’s not my spirituality

Brandon Handley 31:58
now, but it sounds like you’ve got a There’s a grand design greater great. There’s got to be like a universal intelligence that has kind of a design aspect. Otherwise you would have driven off the road that night. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made it home safely that one time. Otherwise, you know, I mean, I do

Jeremy Todd 32:17
know. Okay, so it’s it’s a tricky thing to think about. Because, you know, typically when you hear the word spiritual, you’re on Jesus and God and then well, that’s the thing is that my spirituality? I’m sorry. I mean, it’s great. And I and I respect that. I respect all religions respect everybody, but it’s just not what I believe I

Brandon Handley 32:36
was just not the one that speaks to you right now. Right. So

Jeremy Todd 32:40
yeah, no judgment, obviously. no judgment. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 32:42
so for me more and more recently, right. It’s come to kind of my attention, right that this, every one of these religions is just kind of a framework to the place where you’ve gotten to right now place where I’ve gotten to right now. So we’ve got a set of have potential instructions. If we were to arrive at this point in our lives right now and be like, I’m freaking out, man, I know there’s something inside me it’s coming out. I liken it to like being a seed to write like, our bodies are spiritual seeds, right? This is this cell right here, right? And that you know sounds to me too like again I’m just I’m just coming pulling shit on my butt but like it sounds to me like you know that that spirit within you is starting to on fertile right just like a C correct and a show and there’s no stopping it right it’s like it’s like asphalt doesn’t stop like a grass seed from cracking through it, right? Yeah, exactly. And so you’ve got like this you’ve got like this life energy right now that is just unfolding, and you’re letting it unfold within you right now.

Jeremy Todd 33:49
Right? And you know, there I’ve also you know, looked into there’s a lot of studies or a lot of free legends have said that, that there is no god we are all our own God. Our God is within ourselves. We have all greatness we all we are everything that we want to be in candy. We just have to access that and work our way through it. That’s another thing that you know, again, maybe that’s the answer.

Brandon Handley 34:12
So so I can help you out with this one. Right and you just just from personal experience, right. So I’m in, But to your point earlier to what degree like you know, like I like you know, I’m holding the wheel just in case, right I actually got this number right, right, right. But it actually Joe dispenza Oh no, I think it was rah rah Robin Sharma or Joe dispenza. I’ve got 210 minute pieces that I listen to all the time from both of those guys to send them to me. Absolutely man. So one of his like you if you rise to your level of thinking, Okay, okay. So, if you rise to your level of thinking and your current level thinking is that you are a human being What’s your maximum potential? Right here? maximum potential is your whom human being potential, which sometimes seems limited. Okay with that, well, if God is everything or you know, is it even within me then there’s something godlike within me, right? At least I’m attached to God somehow and I’m a part of that. Now I’ve got a different level of thinking. Right? Because now my being has changed. Right? Or, you know, again, you know, we can you can play with like, which beingness are you right now? Yeah. hanging out in divine being right. I salute the Divinity within you right now. mistake. Sure,

Unknown Speaker 35:40
sure. So,

Brandon Handley 35:42
if you’re a divine being, then you also are willing to accept grace, which is divine strength, outside strength, right, and kind of so that changes your level of thinking, I look at everybody as a divine being, right. So can we agree more, if we’ve got that and that’s my level. Thinking, what’s to stop me?

Jeremy Todd 36:02
Nothing. So I mean yourself. I mean, your your, your ego? I mean, I don’t know. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 36:08
if you let that go, I mean, that’s all stuff, you gotta let go.

Jeremy Todd 36:11
There’s no question. You know, I think it’s all those things that that that continue to work on is letting that go. But it’s not. It’s not like hitting a switch. It’s not like often, you know, it’s a process. Yeah, it’s, that’s what I love about it.

Brandon Handley 36:22
It’s a slow build, you know, it’s just like anything else. This is kind of a you know, and you can change again, you’re like, Alright, well, you know, ratchet that different thinking, but if you rise to your level of thinking, What are you thinking about yourself? Right? Again, I’ll separate those two words. Sure. What are you thinking about yourself? Is that is that an XYZ nature if it you know, what, what nature of the self? Are you sure? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 36:48
no, I get it. It’s a tough topic to talk. I mean, I don’t want to say it’s even tough. It’s just for me, it’s just working my way through that mental process. And I think to myself, Well, imagine what you know, like Three years ago, you know where I’m at now versus three years ago, were just gonna be three years from now. I mean, man, it’s just working your way through this and getting better and getting smarter and getting stronger, and getting more free. I just I just love I just love life, man. I love the love the journey. I love the conversations. I love the deep topics. I just miss what we’re here for. Right? Bam. So, again, I

Brandon Handley 37:22
feel like that’s kind of where you’re at. Right? you’re you’re you’re working on this kind of determining, yeah, who the self is right? And then like, how are you harnessing it right, you’re stepping into your power and making that determination for yourself every day? Yeah, I mean, tell me like I’ll place you. Where’s the practical application for this for yourself? Like where someplace you’ve applied this like way of thinking.

Jeremy Todd 37:48
I did everything. I mean, literally, I literally I mean I go to work. I’m that weird guy. I do my podcast. I’m not different do as a parent. I think that’s one of the most powerful places you can do. It is not get caught up with Like being you know, I’m not I’m not a guy that’s gonna like, I guess parenting is different for me than a lot of other people that I see because I had these deep conversations with my kids. And I tell them that, hey, it doesn’t matter what happened, you know, if you made a mistake, it’s okay. It’s not a mistake. It’s a learning process. It’s becoming the better person that you are. My kids are weird. And I love it. I love them for it weird to society. You know, they’re weird. Yeah. But they’re brilliant. They’re smart. And we have these deep conversations. And that’s probably the most important thing that I can push on to them is that you know that the power of who they are the power of what they look like the power of their, their selves. The more with kids getting beat down over social media, their friends, and we’re talking to them about different stuff that other parents aren’t talking to our kids about. They can deal with this every day and this is not an easy conversation for them either. But the more we have it, the more we understand that that is okay and the stronger they become at a younger age. I would you know, no disrespect to My parents, but I would never had these conversations with my kids when I was a kid. You know, it wasn’t even thought

Brandon Handley 39:04
of you never had that conversation. different times. Right?

Jeremy Todd 39:07
Correct. But you know, hey imagine 30 years from now what are my kids gonna be look like by having these conversations now? Hopefully I’m around for but my kids are gonna be so much more well off more happier within themselves more comfortable with who they are, and not get caught up in the craziness. That is that is life. So, right. That’s by far the number one thing by far

Brandon Handley 39:29
your parenting so your planet, you know, and your parenting life. This is

Jeremy Todd 39:32
weird parenting, though it’s just different and not weird, or it’s just different parenting different from what you grew up with. Right? Yeah, and as many people do, but man, I just think it’s the most powerful thing you can do right now is to teach that to your children. about spirituality. What does it mean? What does it mean to them? What does it look like? What do they believe? And then not bashing them? Like, you know, I was born and raised Catholic. That’s the that’s the only way you thought was born, raised Catholic.

Unknown Speaker 39:54
Sure. Jesus died on the cross God blah, blah, blah,

Jeremy Todd 39:57
Heaven and Hell and all that good stuff. That was all Have you thought anything different? You were on Galston?

Unknown Speaker 40:03
Yeah. But what literally?

Jeremy Todd 40:05
Yeah, literally Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally you were, I mean, kicked out of school, this kid, this kid’s got something wrong with them. But in reality, that’s not the case. And again, I think that’s one of the most powerful things that that I’m doing right now. And, you know, the mother of my children does, we’re on the same page for that, too. So it’s great. I mean, it couldn’t be any better right now.

Brandon Handley 40:24
That’s cool. So just integrating it with your daily life is kind of how you’re applying it practically. And

Jeremy Todd 40:30
yeah, you know, again, it’s it’s it’s easier said than done. I know, but I’m doing so often. I love the reactions i get i give such different opinions on different topics in different situations that I don’t care what anybody says, This is how I truly feel. This is my opinion. It’s not right or wrong, right. But I may see something different than may open someone’s up someone’s eyes instead of falling in line. That’s what we get to do. This is what this is, you know, going to church on Sunday. You’re doing this you’re doing it. Oh, I mean, I am and I support that to do your thing.

Brandon Handley 40:59
Well, yeah. Yeah, look man, like, like we said, Yeah, everybody’s path is their own path. Right. Yeah. I think that that’s I think that you know, when they created this country that was the pursuit of happiness right the the freedom was a religion was those things right was you know, hey listen this is a true thing. A lot of us Christians here but uh you know

Jeremy Todd 41:23
that now religion one of the greatest the constitution one of

Brandon Handley 41:26
the greatest things ever and I love it Listen man I think there was a powerful document right and i think that that’s just another one of those things that we take for granted.

Jeremy Todd 41:33
Right? It is and it’s freedom of speech freedom of I mean for women they carry handgun freedom, you name it freedom. I just love it because I can be who I am and we’re very, very blessed. But what are the chances? This is another thing what are the chances of us being born in this country at this time out of any other country on any other planet in any other situation? I mean, how lucky and blessed are we?

Brandon Handley 41:56
Well, I think that that’s a huge part of the story. huge part of the entire outlook Jeremy, what you’re saying right there is that, you know, if you look at where you are, and everything you do is what I’m here to say is like as a miracle,

Unknown Speaker 42:11
it is miracle that we’re blessed

Brandon Handley 42:14
right then. And could you could you imagine a better time in the anytime to become yourself?

Jeremy Todd 42:22
No, no. I mean, can you imagine me being born with a horse and carriage? I would have been dead 25 years ago. You could survive. You

Brandon Handley 42:31
know, I’ll tell you, man, I know. I know. Definitely growing up. I did a lot of like things that, you know, I should have gotten my ass kicked for. But I definitely would have gotten a shot for like an 1800s type of thing. Like,

Jeremy Todd 42:42
I mean, exactly. I am so soft and so fragile. I would have no chance 100 years ago, but I wasn’t I mean, but hey, even now, I could have been born in South America or North Korea or meat. I mean, you name the country. Well, you could be born anywhere but

Unknown Speaker 42:59
here it is. Man, I’m just

Brandon Handley 43:02
so blessed. I think it’s a beautiful time, man. I think it’s a beautiful time we’re in so Brother, listen, I know. I mean, we always love catching up on loving hearing your journey and you know how you’re just you know, loving on your spiritual self and you keep growing that right and you’re leading with that. Tell me like yeah, listen, people never heard you before. So where should they go check you out? If you haven’t heard me,

Jeremy Todd 43:23
come on, come on rapidly for obviously, you remember the positive side podcast. It’s the positive side podcast. You check out the positive side podcast calm, but more importantly, just hop on the show. And again, the intentions of the show truly, truly, truly are just to just tell my random stories through life, the stuff that I struggle with, to share those messages to understand that hey, if you are struggling, you are going through these tough times. You’re not alone and we’re all going to get to this together. We’re all going to get better we’re all gonna get stronger. So that’s the biggest thing. Or you can always email Jeremy Jeremy at Jeremy Todd COMM But then, more importantly, Brandon, I love this show. Man. This is like the perfect show for you. It’s this is like you wheelhouse bro. I’ve just been a long time ago. That’s

Unknown Speaker 44:04
right. I was afraid.

Unknown Speaker 44:06
Sure. I get

Brandon Handley 44:07
it. I was afraid. I was afraid. And but it’s where I wanted to be, which is the funny thing, right. And so what’s what’s funny is that it is opened up but is blown up and opened up like the reception. Yeah. And so me just going and doing that thing that I was so afraid to do so many years ago. Self permission. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I think that you know, listen, if you made it to the end of the podcast, that was the message that you need to hear today, man, this is like, self permission. So Exactly. Alright guys. Thank you so much, Jeremy. And we’ll chat next time. Oh, hell yeah,

Jeremy Todd 44:45
brother. Thank you.

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Jeremy Snowden

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there podcast land thanks for tuning in. We are taking another hit a spiritual dope and today I’ve got Jeremy snowed and joining me He is a dad, a granddad friend and men’s mentor. He finds fulfillment being a resource a community connector. He runs a men’s growth and development group Hero’s Journey men’s online discussion circle, and host a biannual man’s three days meetup. He spends his free time discovering life hacks, physical movement and mindfulness practices. Jeremy, thanks for joining me today. What’s going on? What’s up?

Jeremy Snowden 0:38
What’s up? Thanks so much for the invitation, man. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:41
yeah, I don’t it was like, it was kind of like, it was a no brainer. You know, it was like, you know, we we’ve crossed paths, Facebook paths so many times, right. When I spun this up, I was like, you won’t point so just you’re kind of like a brother, brother from another mother right type of thing. Cuz, like, I think we’re the same people. Right. Right. And and and the more we have these conversations, the more we kind of find that that’s true. You and I were just talking before this about a mutual, you know, mentor that we found online. Eddie Bryant, right, who’s doing who’s doing some stuff. And you mentioned I just discovered on the week before, so I was like, this is just, yeah, it’s fun. It’s fun. And it’s funny. So before we even get started, man, so before we even get started, I feel like I feel like we’re kind of like, we’re conduits for the creative energies forces in the universe, right? Yeah. And we’re put together right now on this podcast, to speak to somebody. Right? And somebody needs to hear this, and it needs to come from you. What is it?

Unknown Speaker 1:51
Man?

Jeremy Snowden 1:52
Okay, so Wow, right on the spot, did you Okay, so

I think more than anything else

For me if I was if I was looking at the person that needs to hear this you are a human being not a human doing you know there’s more to you than you know that you’re at then you’re aware of

and just fully embody yourself No

I think that would be a good

Brandon Handley 2:24
I love it. I love it man right i mean you’re you’re you’re a human being not a human doing we get so caught up. Gosh, reactivity, right all the activity although RUN RUN, RUN doo doo doo I got to be productive man. If I’m not productive, they’re gonna kick me off the team.

Jeremy Snowden 2:42
Right? The pressure and the stress? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:45
yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I love it. I love it. You’re a human being.

Unknown Speaker 2:51
And I think the other thing is,

Brandon Handley 2:53
knowing yourself right? And when you get into this kind of the spiritual realm and And you’re you’re getting into all these different involve with all these different groups. Excuse me. And these conversations, the word self can take on a number of connotations, right? Come on, what do you got? So tell me what you know. So, I’ll give you an example of something that I saw this morning. And it actually had to do kind of like Maslow’s law, right? hierarchy of needs. And when you get to the top there, it’s self expression, self actualization. Ah, true. So, I mean, you know, if I asked you what that meant to you to basically that’s the pinnacle, self expression, Self Realization, what does that mean? Right?

Jeremy Snowden 3:42
Wow, that’s deep. For me, I guess it is finding experiences where I can be the observer, so that I can see myself clearly, you know, so depression in a wave of just that one the day that you just don’t want to get out of That it just feels like your blanket is concrete, you know? And you can’t explain it or anything. And so I have to, I call it father myself or, you know, work within my higher self, if you will. And almost to put my hand on my shoulder, if you will, and say, Hey, I know what you’re feeling. Yeah. It’s almost like it’s two separate people or, you know, like my tradition. It’s you know, you’re a tripartite three part being spirit soul body, you have a spirit, you know, or I’m sorry, you are spirit you live in, you know, you have a soul you live in a body, you know, and now it seems like it’s probably more complex and yet more simple. It’s just but at any point, it’s just seeing myself in those feelings, I can feel this I’m not those feelings. Right. But I you know, I can resonate with those feelings. Who’s the it does that that’s me. You know, you talk to yourself. A couple of days ago, I was like, let’s have pizza and I was like, Who’s let’s

Brandon Handley 5:06
good idea for us to go get these things together. And that’s great though I was just I was just listening to a book this morning actually. It’s called mastering your emotions and the exercises in there is is what you just talked about, right? One of those is very powerful exercise you you see you see this observer exercise actually happen a

Unknown Speaker 5:26
lot in NLP, right? I’m not

Brandon Handley 5:29
sure yet, right. So it’s the same thing you you, you You see, first of all, you’re already here right? But if you can remove yourself one or two or three times and see that situation just like you said, you know you’re in that better fathering yourself. I love that because you know, as a father, you know what that means by you. Put your hand on on your shoulder, and you’re going to walk yourself out there with comfort and care and say, Hey, Paul, we got this we got right. And we’re gonna go face this, whatever it is. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, love that the concrete blanket man that made me feel I felt it. I felt that corps right. Yeah, man. So, you know, my tradition is what what is your tradition? Because you said my in my tradition,

Jeremy Snowden 6:11
right? My historically if you will, first time I make the distinction between religion and spirituality, right. I’m not religious, I’m spiritual.

Brandon Handley 6:20
Yeah, show Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 6:21
Right. Yeah. But at the same time, it was, you know, growing up in up drew up in a Christian environment, if you will, okay. And everything was about hierarchies, structures and pecking orders. It just life in general. You know, like, who makes the most money who’s the cutest who’s the tallest, the smartest, prettiest? Sure. Um, you know, and just that, that linear thinking like that. And so, for me, breaking out of that, I don’t know if this is the proper time to talk about that or not, but basically just I was, you know, a very Launch Bible believer in you know, born again Christian you know for quite some time and while I do admire and respect a lot of my, a lot of my time there and of course my friends and my you know who become your, your family that you choose, you know? Sure it’s I can see it now and you know having the whole dark night of the soul or nights or months you know. Right So, but in that I can see the need for that as a part of part of my life. So that was my background. Sure.

Brandon Handley 7:31
Yeah. It’s funny you say that right? Like I’m I’m not religious, but I am spiritual and I think that a lot of people get that confused. I don’t have a religion. Yeah. But I am spiritual right because I think that you know, you have a religion you’re not you are not religious you have it right. Like, that’s your background and your your kind of upbringing and, and, and, you know, the path that you follow, and it’s funny that you bring up you know, we we have Eddie Bryan and In common a couple weeks ago like i said i was first I listened to him but you know there’s some he talks about Vedanta and Hinduism right and he talks about all the different paths of Hinduism and right in the end he does it sooner or later you just got to bet on one line later just got it you got it you got a bet on one Yeah. Oh it because otherwise you’re just always kind of popping around Yeah. And it It’s funny how I landed on the just pick one theory or idea and I got that through the science of getting rich Wallace D wattles. Right I’ve never read that book. I mean, it’s it’s my all time it’s in my top five man it’s such a great book. But it’s like just follow just read this one book and don’t read any don’t pay attention to anything else for like until you This is part of your soul,

Unknown Speaker 8:54
bro.

Brandon Handley 8:56
I’m so sorry to dive down in that right so okay. So you’re running the men’s group. Let’s give a little more background journey man like, I mean, let’s let’s do this first, I always like to talk about the front end of it, you know, what is it you’re doing? Tell us about? Tell us about your tell us about the men’s group, right? The hero’s journey, men’s online discussion circle, right? Like, how did that get started? And what’s going on?

Jeremy Snowden 9:21
Yeah, so almost two years, well,

longer than two years ago, I connected with some guys and some Facebook groups. And I was just blown away to see what the same questions over and over and over again. You know, my wife cheated on me, you know, or my wife left me or my girlfriend, you know, yada, yada. Or we can’t give a lot we can never, you know, come to a conclusion on anything or whatever. Right? And so I figured, you know, I’m throwing my opinion in this whole thing, just to see what happens to kind of see where I’m at with my peers. You know, where are we at? You guys don’t know me from Adam. I don’t know you from Adam. And you. It’s almost like my friend of mine, Andy. You might No to he and he’s just he just trolls your stuff because he thinks you’re cool. You know? We can’t is it silly?

Brandon Handley 10:07
Yeah, yes. No, he’s funny though. So he doesn’t get a choice. Great troll. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 10:12
And he’s like, and he’s sort of my, my spiritual project, you know, to get him to start walking along that

Brandon Handley 10:20
path. Don’t go to the dark side.

Jeremy Snowden 10:22
Right and he’s he’s doing everything he can to, you know, push, push it up, push me off it but Anyway, I digress. But he says, You know, I said something about, you know, just try not to read the comments right about now with everything heated up. You read people’s comments, and you’re just like, oh, but he retorted and said that it’s all about the comments. And really, that’s that’s that’s community right there. Yeah, you can actually trace your community within those comments. You know, CS Lewis said it this way, and I’ll get off my soapbox. He said, I mean,

Brandon Handley 10:55
this is immunity. That’s exactly what this is the soapbox, bro. That’s why we’re here. All right. All right.

Jeremy Snowden 11:02
community doesn’t happen until someone else says YouTube. Mm hmm. You know, and so I created an online community of people that like, we have the same kind of challenges, you know, a lot of them are still married or, or, you know, some art, you know, and the thing that we do is we use the book as an excuse a friend of mine, Stan, you can you might know him as well. Stan, Michael, he, he wants to talk to me about the law of the third’s, it’s very similar to this mode to Brandon is like, you know, I have this light ring. I don’t know if you have a light rain, but I kind of see that as my vortex. You know, I mean, like, it’s, it’s almost like, if we were to practice you know, like all of the different magical traditions, if you will, where you could look through water and see spirit on the other side. That’s what we’re

Brandon Handley 11:56
doing. You know, we’re ending the evil stepmother and Mirror mirror on the wall. fairest of them all right. I mean, come on somebody that stops everywhere, right? Like, here’s the thing, like, here’s the thing is what’s so great about like this space is like, once you realize you tripped over into it, you’re like, Oh, it’s everywhere. Everybody’s been trying to tell me my entire life.

Jeremy Snowden 12:16
Come on. Right? Right on your face, right?

Brandon Handley 12:20
Mm hmm. I mean, we’ll cliches and you know, stuff. Your parents told you that you said, Nah, shut up. Stop. You’re crazy. Don’t talk to my friends. Right? It’s everywhere. I was I was on the plane, coming back from Denver. And I was watching the Madeline L’Engle movie with Oprah in it. A stitch in time, A Wrinkle in Time, Wrinkle in Time, man. And it was everything you and I are about and I was like, I was taking notes like furious. I was like, oh, brah Oh, Oprah, not again, more Oprah right um, Mirror mirror on the wall. Right, just like yeah, that’s the vortex that’s looking looking, looking looking. piercing the veil, right?

Jeremy Snowden 13:06
Yes. I’m

Brandon Handley 13:09
with you. Yeah, tell me more. So Hero’s Journey hero’s journey. Tell us all Batman.

Jeremy Snowden 13:14
So it’s very similar, right? You could see these different themes in everybody’s lives. We’re all living the same life.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Suddenly, let’s talk about the things right, let’s talk about let’s talk about the hero’s journey. Because if you’re not familiar with it, who’s it come from?

Jeremy Snowden 13:31
Joseph Campbell, is a mythologist very wise man who did research to be able to see these common themes and all stories Star Wars, right? Um,

Brandon Handley 13:45
gosh, went nuts. Oh, so if is he recently like that went went went when was he? You know, I do know some history on him. But I you know, I’m not this is not a test. But I want I want I want people to hear from you. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 14:00
No, kind of monopoly,

Jeremy Snowden 14:02
probably circa and I can look it up too.

But probably circa 1950s around that time, I guess

Brandon Handley 14:09
so he predates he predates Star Wars and all that

Jeremy Snowden 14:13
stuff, right? For sure. For sure. And yeah, just pulling him up here just as a nerd

Brandon Handley 14:18
with rain. Sure, man. So, before,

Jeremy Snowden 14:21
right so yeah, he was born. Right so

1904 so in died 1987 So, yeah, he was an inspiration to Steve Lucas. Is that right? I’m not a big Star Wars fan but Lucas. Lucas right, George There it goes. I think he’s towards. I’m showing my own coolness right now to some of your audience. Yeah, but anyway, um, he just really, you know, well, it says he was influenced, for instance by Nisha Christian Judy Krishnamurti. Carl Jung. I mean, just Schopenhauer. I mean, like he basically canonized The concept of you know that the departure, the initiation of the hero, and the return, you know, and with each and there’s got subsections and all that you could read on it, of course online. But it’s just that we have the same story except I think in my mind’s eye, I’m thinking what you talked about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs kind of the same thing. You know, I’m saying there’s, there’s levels to this shit.

Brandon Handley 15:25
Right, right, right, though. Absolutely.

Jeremy Snowden 15:27
And unfortunately, we talked about it earlier, maybe some people this round just don’t want to get it.

Brandon Handley 15:32
Well, there’s a there’s a section in the story, right is some people reject the hero’s call, right? Because the beginning there, right? is is is okay. And and here’s, you know, if you want my take on it, which you’re not asking for, but I’ll give it to you. Ain’t on me. Right. So we’ve got the hero’s journey. Then there’s, there’s the call of the hero, right? That’s when you’re when you and I are in this journey, we felt something I mean, so overwhelming that if you didn’t do it, something inside you died. Yeah. Right if you don’t and that’s so that’s the that’s the hero’s call, right? The hero’s call is, is there’s something

Unknown Speaker 16:17
within me that if I don’t share it,

Brandon Handley 16:21
if I don’t help to give this away

Unknown Speaker 16:24
within my lifetime I may as well stop now. Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
So you feel that and then you have a couple opportunities to say Nah, fuck that I’m gonna go have a beer. Right? Right and so you can sub you can sub do that in a number of ways. And and I’m not sure if you ever watched the series on Netflix it’s called the umbrella factory. And and what I realized by watching the umbrella factory was there’s one girl on there I’m not not to give away the whole plot, but like she was subdued her entire life from her innate superpowers. By medication, right Though, you know, to what where I’m getting there is is like a religion, ad. You know, people who my grandmother was diagnosed as schizophrenic now, we didn’t have like we weren’t super close, but the question begs to be answered. What’s your medium? Yeah, right. Right. And and there wasn’t, there wasn’t the space in the place, then that we’ve got now available to allow for that. Yeah, to explore that, which is I love where we are now. So, to me, the hero’s call is just that right? There is something within you, right? And if you if you don’t answer that, you’ve got to suppress it. And that’s when you start to kind of each time because it’s going to be it’s going to come more than once. It’s gonna keep coming right there every, every moment in your life is kind of an opportunity for that hero’s call, right? Yeah. And if you don’t answer that You’re gonna wither away and die. Yeah. Yeah, that’s my take on it.

Jeremy Snowden 18:04
What do I think that’s wonderful man, that’s, that’s really good. I love this volley. Plain and simple is because that’s how I grow. You know, for the longest I looked around to people that were in suits on Sunday morning, and it’s like, you guys can’t bring the fire here What’s going on? You know, and I was like, there’s got to be more. And it’s not that they weren’t good people. It’s just that sometimes when we put constraints on our, our faith or our religion, whatever it is, right, it’s, it’s we kind of like it’s like, I used to lead worship, you know, so and I love worship music. But it was like, only part of the dance and when I when I when I stepped down from that, if you will, and began to sit down on my back porch, right, and, you know, dance in front of the moon. Nobody else is around. It’s just me and God. So everything outside of my body is dancing with me. It felt more authentic. Then, you know, playing and although I still play music I still love. I still love worship music but it seemed that I was, you know, we could we following a rigid tradition didn’t allow me or spirit for me to be able to just blossom it just kept me in this kind of in a confined space so sure, sure kind

Brandon Handley 19:21
of like kind of like I mean, if you think about a tangle of roots and in a confined space in a box, right, like I mean, there’s just

Unknown Speaker 19:29
nowhere to go.

Brandon Handley 19:30
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it’s fair, but I’m just curious too, because all right, look, you’ve got this group you’re doing you’re and you’re and you’re walking them through, like the hero’s journey, right? So I stopped everybody here for a second at, you know, rejecting the call. So what happens when you answered a call is you know, take me there. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 19:48
Well, I mean, first off, and I know this different for everybody. I mean, number one is when i don’t know i don’t get probably the same thing. Granted, it’s like even the cashier will start telling me about it. Marriage, you know, I’m saying and it’s so it’s like you know, I gotta also safeguard my energy at the same time but it’s like working with guys that are like somes kind of like a little off and I need some just help. What they really need is just somebody to walk with them that second phase right, which is the initiation right percent, right. So it’s, it’s and it’s it’s Simba or I’m sorry. It’s symbols friends. Timonium, Puma. Yeah. Cool.

Brandon Handley 20:30
Right. So now saying that the other day I don’t even care. No.

Jeremy Snowden 20:34
Yeah. And then you have her freaky, right, the monkey that shows the bigger picture, if you will, right. And then the mentor Right, so the mystic, mystical mentor. There you go. And that’s where I mean again, that the hero’s journey arc works Yoda all stories, right. There you go. Right. Go. So walking with them is it for me at least it’s as much as just for saying I see you. Yeah, I see you. And he’s like, looking at you now. Right? You’ve done it.

Unknown Speaker 21:06
I’ll tell you

Brandon Handley 21:08
that, that that saves me. when when when, you know, when that happened to me, I was like something was a little off. And I had to reach out to, you know, three, three people, three different people. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 21:21
I don’t know what’s going on. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:24
I’m not losing my shit, but I’m not quite right. I just thought I’d let you guys know. Right? And at same time also reached out to a Buddhist Reverend friend, right? I said, Hey, here’s what I’m feeling. And he goes, you’re cool. I was like, working with them. Right. But to your point, this is a little over three years ago. The I had the exact same feeling of, hey, look, I want to be the greeter. Right? Kind of like a scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.

Unknown Speaker 21:58
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:00
We’re gonna cross paths you’re gonna cross paths or paths are gonna interweave. You’re on the way to Emerald City. I’m sure I’ll walk along with you for a while.

Jeremy Snowden 22:08
We’re off to see the wizard. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 22:11
yeah, so exactly the same. Yeah. Tell me more.

Jeremy Snowden 22:14
Yeah. So a lot of the times, it’s, it’s a matter to, I mean, it’s just us watching them as kids, we had invisible friends. Right. And then we’re told, well, that’s stupid, you know, but I think that they serve whether they were real, you know, if you can, if you if you accept, you know, spirits or demons or whatever, if you go along that track are whether they are just an aspect or element of our own spirit or mind. You know, however you see it, they serve a purpose, you know, and one of those is to, to watch, like, you know, again, is my tradition. It’s like, there are such things, it’s watchers, right? Have you noticed a lot of paintings that people do when they’re shrooms are a plant medicine. There’s a lot of eyes around the eyes have it? Sure. So, you know, sometimes people just need you to be their spotter, you know, as they’re going through that stuff. You don’t need to have.

Brandon Handley 23:15
Yeah, you listen, you Listen, don’t trip by yourself on the first time, right? Like everybody knows that. I’m just saying, right? Like, it’s, it’s, it’s very similar though, right? Like, you know, you want to be in a safe place and especially when you’re in a vulnerable condition such as an awakening or such as like, you know, especially look men are just as vulnerable as anybody else. I I believe, more so because if they’re going through the, you know, the call to hero, right. And they don’t know where to turn. Most of us haven’t been prepared for this. Yes. Right or don’t recognize, right don’t recognize that they’ve been prepared for now because I’ll I would also say that due to the Your religion, you were able to put things into some kind of framework. You’re like, you know what, holy shit. there’s a there’s a story in the Bible that lines up to the scene that I’m going through right now, what was the outcome? And you could you can say in your mind, right, this was the outcome. What does that outcome really mean, though? Because that outcome no longer is, is this kind of this story, right? No, this is no longer like, you know, you know, the walls of Jericho, just falling down what, you know, what was that story? If I could put that into modern language, right, I circled it, you know, XYZ times. And, you know, is that a story of patience and perseverance of you know, and that’s what this really meant, right? And that’s what I’m experiencing. Sure. Is, did you have that? You know, is that how you kind of translated your, is that what made it easier for you or was it is it a journey that kind of like really set the tone for you?

Jeremy Snowden 24:56
Right, right. Well, it was, I guess, It was a mixture of both. So as you were sharing, I was like, dude, I’m I’m letting him go, because this is really this is solid meat here. This is about where I’m at. So it came to a point where and I won’t go into that on the just because for time sake, but, you know, I was going through my dark night of the soul if you will season right. And I just realized I need to zoom up a little further and not just assume that text, no offense to anybody else, any text. Okay, so across the board for me, if it does not resonate with my heart, I just can’t receive it. Right. Right. So if I can apply it because I think it’s wholesome, right? I mean, I All scripture is given for admiration and for admonition and examples for us and got out and I believe that they’re good. They’re good stories. Some of them don’t apply the way that I was told they applied. And so I have to, you know, observe them as the self Right, yeah. As it’s just like, you know, looking at your kids candy, I hate to, you know, make the word candy, you know, I’m saying but it’s like, you know, when you’re at Halloween, you’re just checking get your, you know, you get your fill of Reese’s Pieces that

Brandon Handley 26:14
you find those passwords don’t need all those candy.

Jeremy Snowden 26:18
But, you know, I had to I had to scrutinize each thoughts, you know, of any any text. So that’s why I’m listening to, you know, Edwin Bryant right now. And, you know, the yoga sutras of Patanjali. It’s because there are words there. They’re, what three 5000 years old. And he is explaining them and I even have to scrutinize him for myself for my own personal self right now. Not out loud, right? I’m

Brandon Handley 26:48
good.

Jeremy Snowden 26:49
All right, all the greats I don’t I just, I’ve come here on the same dispensation and it’s my responsibility to unpack it. You know, there’s a difference. I put it this way. There’s a difference. belief and faith, right?

And it’s like, yeah, was that media?

Yeah. So like faith is all scripture calls faith substance. Right? It’s a substance. Okay? Right. Whereas belief seems to me to be just an ideology, you know, and it’s like, sometimes we mistake I have in the past mistakes as interchangeable. But then when my ideology falls apart, that’s when your faith has to come alive. So that’s what happened. Okay, so when, when that happened, because of the dark night of the soul, right, I decided to investigate and search things to see if they’re actually what they really are for, for my own selves.

Brandon Handley 27:43
And describe, like dark night, a soul a little bit. So for somebody that, you know, that feels like they’ve been through it, or you know, or what does it mean to you because I think that that has a different meaning to people to

Unknown Speaker 27:55
write.

Jeremy Snowden 27:58
I think it’s part of this The Hero’s Journey story arc, if you will, in the dragons, the the bankruptcy, the divorce the, you know, the difference stimuluses that caused the response in you? Is it parallelisation? Like, I’ve been there, like, you know, where you’re just paralyzed, you don’t know what to do. It was Wednesday, like, a day ago, and now it’s, you know, Sunday morning or whatever, you know, you just kind of lose track of everything. It’s best. That’s my own personal experience. I don’t really cry a lot. It’s not.

Brandon Handley 28:31
I mean, is it like a depression point? Is it a focal point? Do you have to kind of hit?

Jeremy Snowden 28:38
Okay, so, very similar to what you said. It’s like, Is there a diagnosis for it? That is actually right. Or do we just what is what we call depression? Right? Yeah.

Is it? Is that

Unknown Speaker 28:54
the call? Sure you

Jeremy Snowden 28:57
believe so. You know, think it’s thick. Right, and they have to withdraw themselves and and heal themselves or not you know and so you know I kind of think that ladder it’s yeah I think you’re right my mom actually was kids phrenic and we her and I lived with her demons you know as her behavior is powerful

Brandon Handley 29:21
I mean how do you look at that now?

Jeremy Snowden 29:25
Yeah so i i i don’t know in terms of we’ve I guess my sisters and I’ve we’ve we’ve had that those conversations is a demon is a devils that are like literal doubles. Is it just the serotonin synaptic gaps and durose transmitters that blah blah, you know, misfire Listen, listen to I mean, there’s always there’s always a science psychology about it, right? Like I’m right. And that’s, that’s frustrating, right? Because you can science away just about anything you want. Right?

Brandon Handley 29:56
Let’s talk about it from let’s talk about it from just your You know, your own life experience perception, your own human words? Know what’s out. You know, if you’re looking at that right now, like I said about my grandmother does that, you know, all right, well, Was she a medium? Was there something was she in contact when you got plenty of people that say I talk to angels, you know, is there something trying to communicate through her and it was a matter of if she had had the right teacher or teaching. It could have been just tremendous power that could have brought good into the world.

Unknown Speaker 30:31
Sure.

Jeremy Snowden 30:33
Isn’t that crazy, too? And could it be I mean, and rest are soul. It could it be that she denied the call?

Brandon Handley 30:42
Don’t so that’s the thing, right? If you don’t, if you’re not,

Unknown Speaker 30:46
so, for me, a lot of this is already like my first language.

Brandon Handley 30:54
I was raised this way like my mother was I was born out in San Francisco. My mom was like, I mean I picked up the exact same eaching book. She got like, I’m stupid, retarded. Like, I mean, everything she ever said is like, I’m like, Oh my gosh, she was right. Right. and and, and and like, I mean, yeah, you know, I brought up Alan Watts with her and she’s like, Oh yeah, I remember seeing him in San Francisco, Alan. Know. And so, so when I experienced all this stuff, I kind of had a background in it right. I was like,

Jeremy Snowden 31:29
nice. It was almost like I’m

Brandon Handley 31:34
falling into like, down comforters. Wow, you were just like beautiful gowns. You know, like, wow, I was like, Man, this is a great place to be. Yeah. How can I explain to everybody else where I’m at, right like, I mean, and and do it in a way and that’s part about this podcast, right? How can you know a big part of it’s okay, great. It’s cool. You feel that way, but How can you apply that in? Yeah, practicality, right? And so, so you’re doing that in your group, right? you’re grabbing these men. And you’re saying, All right, we’re cool here. This is a safe space. Here’s what you’re going through, and you’re using the hero’s journey to walk them along the journey. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 32:19
So through the challenges of everyday life through divorce or whatever. And also like, like, in my case, for instance, which in the hero’s journey Ark, my dragon was hell. I mean, Holy moly, right. I mean, like, if I’m wrong, I can get a, you know, you know, don’t collect $200 go directly to hell, you know, find stamped and it’s your own. It’s your own damn fault, Jeremy, because I’m now seeking things or allowing things or understanding things that are contrary to my upbringing, if you will. So that was my that was that was that I was just so afraid. You know what What people are gonna think, you know, how people are gonna act toward me, now that I’m able to hold space for a wizard, if I wanted to, you know, I’m saying, you know, or somebody else, it’s all welcome here.

Brandon Handley 33:11
Sorry. I’m sure the reference behind that. I don’t even know, man, I’m just you know, let’s just like it’s just like, hey, like, you know, all are welcome. Nobody’s kind of kept out. Right. And so that’s kind of what you were you’re talking about. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 33:25
Right. But it was because I hit that firewall and push through it, you know, and what if I can give? Can I give a brief example, dude? Yeah, absolutely. Please do. So a couple of years ago, I did plant medicine over at a Native American church. Right. Okay. And I was like, for sure. This is the thing that sends you to hell

Brandon Handley 33:45
right here, for sure. Was that the first time you’ve ever done plant medicine? Yes. Yeah. Okay. What is plant medicine?

Jeremy Snowden 33:53
Well, I guess.

I think I guess that’s not exactly true, but From a vantage point of hallucinogenic as a medicinal

Brandon Handley 34:04
right for medicinal purposes well yeah as originally intended

Jeremy Snowden 34:09
one could argue that marijuana is plant medicine. Sure. Absolutely. Talking about that about and I westca no it’s the it’s the South American route that is extracted created into a tea you drink it shit yourself, etc etc.

Brandon Handley 34:24
There’s nowhere to go a little declare. Gives you as

Jeremy Snowden 34:29
many Doritos as

you want. You’re like, absolutely

Brandon Handley 34:35
good exchange.

Jeremy Snowden 34:36
So, you know, in my mind’s eye, I was like, I mean, I changed my will before I went in you know, I mean, it was I was thinking this I prepared with intentions, etc. about it. I meditated and prayed on it, and then I, you know, I went in, put your money down. That’s where it’s at, right everywhere. So I’m in of course, I won’t go into the experience right now, but The thing is, is that things that I seen made sense to me. Yeah. It makes sense to me in a way that maybe the things that I’ve read didn’t make sense to me. Sure. I didn’t change my religion, or if you will, so much as it it really helped me to open my spirit, if you will. Everybody should do it, because it was a trip and a half and it was a heavy deal,

Brandon Handley 35:24
you know, about no doubt. Well, but I mean, look, I it’s kind of like, um, it’s kind of like the the walls are already weakened. And that just, you know, that just

Unknown Speaker 35:37
positive in a damn

Jeremy Snowden 35:39
right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You know, it didn’t make me better. It didn’t make me a better father or husband or getting married or anything. It just changed you. Exactly. I mean, let’s just, even if you look at it from a purely scientific standpoint, you know, where it was the who’s hallucinogenic. It’s, you know, It was legal the way that I obtained it the whole nine yards. So I’m pretty certain that but it’s, you know, I’m just

Brandon Handley 36:06
waiting for the address at the end of the show.

Jeremy Snowden 36:14
Well, but the thing that if you just look at it from a scientific point of view, where it’s just a hallucinogenic that, you know, responded to your nervous system, creating a sense of euphoria and blah, blah, blah, colors, right, good shit. It was right. Nonetheless, it wasn’t really about the experience, right? Because it really is about the outcome. Really, right. Yeah. I, this experience is a great, everybody’s got it. Right. You know,

Brandon Handley 36:44
you take it, I mean, look at me, it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, everybody’s got experiences, right? It’s, it’s not that you don’t have the experiences How do you translate those experiences? And that’s, that’s really the outcome, like so it’s it’s every, you know, You know, my wife has never done any hardcore drugs, or drugs. I don’t think she’s ever smoked a weed or maybe she took a hit, but like, she never was like, hey, let’s sit around all afternoon and like smoke his bowl, like, Oh my God just filled the bottled water, right? Like she never hung out did all that, but like, um, you know, she’ll have some drinks and whatever. But so she’s had experiences that she’s had. And I’ve had, you know, plenty of experiences similar to one I just outlined and much rougher and tougher. And she looks at my life like, wow, you went through some shit. I’m like, it’s not. Everybody’s gone through some shit. It’s somebody translate that how do you? How do you take your stories, and empower yourself? Because what we’ve done though, historically, and I think this is part of what you’re teaching your men and working with your men is take these stories and your experiences, and empower yourself. And that’s kind of the pinnacle of the hero’s journey is that my writers? Tell me more. I’m talking way too much. Yes,

Jeremy Snowden 37:56
this is the collaborate. I think it’s great but the return That’s the final third of the hero’s journey the return when, you know King off, Arthur is able to pull the sword from the stone where Simba grabs the courage to be able to, you know, go and get his bride and defeat his uncle and circle and lie, you know. So. So it’s it’s again, it’s it’s, it’s the, it’s the return and for me, it’s like well, we started at the, you know the departure like with some some of my guys, we started the departure, and I don’t determine that for you. Like, I’m very careful not to try to dictate what I see God as for someone else. Yeah, you can’t. Right. Right, right. Yeah. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 38:42
So that’s what that’s what it is frustrating. Um, and that’s the product it’s frustrating but it’s also the problem because you Yeah, it’s uh, if you say you know, God, then you don’t know God type thing, right? Like because

Unknown Speaker 38:58
you can’t, you can’t

Brandon Handley 39:00
Put that into words. If you’ve gotten that kind of the first place that this kind of dawned on me experiences can’t be translated they must be experienced was a de five rings book. If you’ve ever read that, right? Have you ever read that? That Samurai? Oh, yeah. And I was just beginning Jiu Jitsu at the same time, but like he would be talking about like, you know, kind of these different sword moves and swords, spots and spaces. And he can tell you how to do the moves, you can watch how to do the moves, but it’s not until not only do you go try to do the moves, when you nail the move, and you get it right, then you know, you’ve just executed it correctly, right? You’re like, wow, you know, because it’ll be just a muscle here or muscle here and change and adjustment angle here or there. That makes it all work, right. So minor, minor adjustments, but when you nail it, you’ve experienced it. And that’s all you can tell somebody like you’ll know when you get it. Right, you’ll know when you write like algebra and fractions.

Jeremy Snowden 40:05
Yeah. Oh, and you’re like, bingo. Yeah, I got you best nine years of my life.

Brandon Handley 40:16
So, so you’re running this group, you’ve been running this group for a while now. Right? And and you’re, you’re ramping up. You want to expand my right or wrong. For sure. Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Tell me what’s up. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 40:31
So because of my experience of divorce seven years, and just when I was able to kind of release that yoke of what my reality was, or when I created as far as my story, and then realize I used to be, I used to be a husband and a father, then it’d become, you know, an ex husband. I changed roles right. And then the kids stopped calling me because they were certainly going off to high you know, High School in college. So they respect Less than less. And it’s like so now I’m not even a dad. And so it you know, although I was technically Of course, you know, when they needed something specially, but and and it’s just part of their journey they’re they’re doing what they need to do as well. But it really caused me to be up to to look inside to make it happen. And so that’s sort of what I’m approaching other guys that are just having those questions right now. You know so

Brandon Handley 41:26
the question is, what is what are some of the trigger questions you hear and you’re like, you’re like, you’re like I know it. I know you need me. Right, I can help you. What are those questions?

Jeremy Snowden 41:35
Well, the key the key word that I listened for should back in my Bible days, Hey, have you been reading your Bible? Not as much as I should? Sure. Yeah. Are you exercising not as much as I should? It’s like, why don’t you design a life for yourself when you fully embody yourself? And so you know, whenever I hear those kind of things like should how things are supposed to To be or ought to, if they’re open if people are open to it, and again, it’s a matter of audience, right? I don’t know who, who needs me. I’m, I’m just opening myself to do. I’m doing a 21 day kind of a challenge. It’s really not about the 21 days. It’s not about doing activities, although it is it’s just about someone watching you through your journey as you’re developing. So those dark days where you don’t want to get up and you get a text from me that says, you’re making your bed right and you’re doing your five push ups. Put a thumbs up when that’s done, holler to you later. Peace, right? It’ll put a smile on your face. It’ll make you it’ll make you do it even though you don’t want to do it. It’s valid. Right? It’s just it’s it’s billion dollar that they already have. Sure.

Brandon Handley 42:44
Yeah. That hasn’t been on hasn’t been hasn’t been bolstered. Right. It hasn’t been supported. It hasn’t been encouraged,

Jeremy Snowden 42:52
right? Um

Brandon Handley 42:55
I would you know, I would stop were we talking about it. I’m Sure you

Unknown Speaker 43:00
flow, the book flow, you bought a book

Brandon Handley 43:03
is it in his book where he talks about and I think it is in his book where he talks about like, you know, some of the older cultures like in China and Oriental cultures, they cultivated the sense of being, right. They cultivated, they were cultivated people. And we get the sense of and you know, when we say, oh, that person’s cultivated, we this we think aristocratic, we think money, wealth, and all these other things, but know, what he’s talking about is they’ve cultivated that inner sense of being right. They’ve cultivated that, you know, stoicism and applied it and it’s internalized, right. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s what they’ve done. And that’s what we haven’t done. Right. So that in a Western culture, right, you know, and, and, and I’ll throw this other one at you too, because I keep kicking it around. You know, adulting is hard, but you know what, the full word is adulterated. We’ve been adulterated and changed, right? There’s this change and transition. So adulting being adulterated. When we go through this metamorphosis. It’s a it is a challenge. And if you don’t have people like yourself, myself, I’m there to catch you as you come in or greet you, right? I mean, the officer into the church is there to greet you to welcome you like that. Right? It’s You’re welcome here, come into this place where you’re welcome. And and and be prepared to hear some stories that if you’re, they’re no longer pearls before swine, right, that they’re no longer pearls before swine, like, these are all the stories that are now before you that after you cross this threshold of understanding, you get now you’re like, Ah, yeah, because you can’t you I think we’re talking a little bit about this earlier. It’s like you can’t go to people who haven’t already had the experience. Tell them about the experience, and have them ready to accept it because It sounds unreal.

Unknown Speaker 45:02
That’s right. Right. But the beauty is

Brandon Handley 45:08
we’ve got, you know, Vedanta Hinduism, all the stories from you know, the the writing to your pata shots. But I mean even, you know, the the cuneiform Egypt lives this, these are not and this is this is what you’re talking about though these are not new feelings. These are not new questions. These questions have all been answered before. Yeah. But they’ve been answered by generations before us who had other experiences to reference around them. Right. And we’ve got to do that now. We’ve got to retranslate those stories into a language that somebody else can understand.

Jeremy Snowden 45:46
And more or less one that resonates with our just tacking on for me, it’s like, yeah, yeah, right. It’s not something that I’m parroting anymore and not that you’re living it.

Brandon Handley 45:56
You’re living, you’re living it, you’ve embodied it. It is now internalized and when you express yourself, self expression, your inner self. Right? That’s what’s coming out. It’s like the Wayne Dyer thing, right? You know, if you put nothing if you’re an orange, essentially right, the only thing it’s going to come out of you is orange juice because all you’ve been putting in you is pouring right? I mean for you, all you’ve been putting into yourself is like this love, right? I’ve been putting into yourself Is this just the story and your understanding and you’ve been working on yourself? You’ve been cultivating yourself so that you can

Unknown Speaker 46:31
share so that you can get Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 46:34
You know, I find that a lot of guys and again, I work in more in the manned space than I you know, I’ve got of course you know, lots of Lady for fret friends that are women but I pretty much in the man’s face in terms of self development. Um, and maybe that’s just more I’m just that’s how I’m wired. You know, I there’s a lot of common, there’s more commonality, so for sure, but you find that a lot of guys have been motivated and burdened by shame. Okay, it’s, it was the, it was the tool that drew the you know that trival drove him to school, it was the tool that kept him in line. It’s the and then all of a sudden, you know, and that’s where I’m thinking, Man, if people are feeling sensing that on the regular, something’s not right, your, your, your, your heart is as a as a and this is just my experience, if your heart is just pushes that way, it’s like it feels it and it pushes it away. And so sometimes people use excessive alcohol or drugs or whatever, you know, to, or eating or whatever to be able to mask that. But that’s just, that’s just the symptoms, you’re just cutting leaves off the, you know, the, the weed or whatever, you know, but it’s going to continue to grow. It’s just going to be there until you find a way to be able to not even address it, but address yourself. It’s okay. You know, it’s alright, man, everybody makes mistake, I really do it in my there. And just going through that process of not, you know, that self talk process to bring really an impact besides the story, the stories and outside thing, which some of it was true, some of it happened, a lot of it didn’t. And you replayed it, you know, 90,000 times every day over the last 20 years or whatever. So I think that’s why people need to have other people it’s not just by my coaching, you know, video, you know, whatever’s and you will be a millionaire too. It’s, hey, so was it hard brushing your teeth this morning, man. You know, you look tired, like doing a video. You know, like how when you do video with people.

Brandon Handley 48:49
So, you know when I chatted with a doctor who was helping men Go through depression, right? She was actually working on, you know, men who are suicidal, right? Trying to get them help, right because her brother had had done this himself. And so she made that kind of her life’s work

Unknown Speaker 49:15
column

Unknown Speaker 49:22
for three, to one more back.

Brandon Handley 49:27
What are some, like, you know, applications of kind of what we’re talking about there, right? Because it sounds to me a little bit like, you know, using the observer as a tool, right? That’s what it was right? So she would she would say, hey, with men, right? They want to try it first. They want to try to do it on their own first and so she would offer them a toolbox. Do you offer your guys like a toolbox? Beautiful.

Jeremy Snowden 49:49
I think that the the book study in itself is that toolbox like resource, and it’s really not me. It’s the other guys I mean, we get on a zoom call. We talked about You know, like, right now we’re doing Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Right? Great ground, the great book, right? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. And we’re just going through it and what we’re doing, we’re talking the language to each other. So I use that as a toolbox. I mean, plain simple is people guys always say it’s so hard to be able to be a part of a men’s group. Well, the men’s group is, you know, your bowling league, if it’s the right guys, you know, or, you know, the people that you you know, whatever, you know, hike with or cycle with, that can be a part of your men’s group. So it doesn’t have to be an officially sanctioned thing. So that’s my that would be my tool, my toolbox and you know, then I work on work with people one on one, you know, we do the, the hero’s journey men’s circle, just that’s, that’s what I do. That’s what I do for my life, not for a living. So I’m charging for I probably never will. It’s just a way to be able to have these conversations because if you think about it, in Spanish, everybody’s taking Spanish, one Spanish To write, and none of us can even order from the taco truck. You know, I’m saying, why is that? Well, because we didn’t get a chance to practice it. Right? So when you’re reading a book, a really good book, and then you’re talking to somebody about it, like what you and I just did, you know, in the hero’s journey, you broke it down. I was like, amen. Amen. I was like, Wow, dude. So, you know, and then she’s talking about it. What does it do? It solidifies my ideas. It helps you to contrast them against yours. Sure, not for the not for the cause of debate. You’re a stranger you’re hearing you know, Australia or whatever. I know you’re not but you know, I’m saying

Brandon Handley 51:35
but actually, I heard there’s a lot of spiders there the other day and we don’t want to be in Australia. So

Unknown Speaker 51:40
Crikey there goes that cranky.

Brandon Handley 51:42
But I was like, they all said it with kangaroos and platypus and koalas.

Unknown Speaker 51:47
100%

Brandon Handley 51:50
The it’s also funny too. Are you able to do me a favor man. Take your camera and swirl it around and rattle off some of the books that

Unknown Speaker 52:01
Like well now, right? Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:05
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. The Millionaire Next Door right I know that you got that. First things first time traps Elements of Style as far as writing I think you and I think

Brandon Handley 52:16
that’s where we like that’s where we that’s where we hit off right like we really don’t know. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:23
One minute to do list Heidegger Martin Heidegger, you know, basic writings pemuteran john, which is great, right? I never saw you’re not so smart. It’s more just a analytical book. You got some Seth Godin represent, right? Yeah, check this

Unknown Speaker 52:38
out says one way book man. For sure. Right.

Jeremy Snowden 52:42
Right. So of course Four Agreements represent right. The Alchemist over there while the heart by

john Eldridge.

Hmm. You know, so, uh, I hate to say I’m well read, but I’m just not.

Unknown Speaker 52:57
So. I think

Brandon Handley 52:58
I think the other thing you hit on there too. is, you know, it’s not just reading these books, discussing them and applying them. So otherwise it’s a it’s what they call shelf esteem. Whoo. Right. Right. You know, what good is it doing it? Yeah. Great. You read all the books. What out of that particular book did you love right? Or you know, if you want to, you know, we’ll talk about I talked about high fidelity and the crown a lot, you know, not the chronological order but how you got from how I got from like, you know, blondie, you know, Tomic in 1981 to shatter herbs and Rolling Stones like got into like a you know, man who’s right out to that like a talking heads you know, it’s always the same, it’s the same right like I could tell you a chronological order how I made these brownies and and and the songs and how they made me move. right and and and and what I took out at that time, what was my heart feeling? Same thing with the book. So right like, What? What inside of that book made? What was the? What about that book made you move? What about that book made you change? What changes did you make? Because you’ve read that?

Unknown Speaker 54:18
Yeah. Right. So, um

Brandon Handley 54:23
what are some like great applications that you would give some people from any one of those books include

Unknown Speaker 54:32
include include call heroes, you know, hero’s journey. Wow.

Jeremy Snowden 54:37
Um, well, again, I think that the the hero’s journey is a template for your entire life and it can happen so quickly right in different areas and aspects of your life. So it’s not just a one time winner takes all you know, it’s it’s you got to go through this story again, it’s just a different story. Like, like my kids, they went vegan, right. And I was thinking in my mind Amway is next.

Unknown Speaker 55:05
This only leads to one place.

Jeremy Snowden 55:08
Now, you know, no, not necessarily, but it’s just that we all go through face to face. Yeah. All right. Have you been born again yet? You know, are you

Unknown Speaker 55:16
sure? We go through the? Yep, yep. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 55:20
So, um, I think that probably love, of course, the Four Agreements primarily for its, if you will, the, the number, the preface, but the beginning where he talks about how society created things about us, like your name, it’s not your name. It’s what you’re called, you know, it’s not you, you know, or your language was chosen for you because of where you were born. You know, those kind of, so when you when you when you understand that part, then you understand Wait a second, then, I mean, things get really weird. You’re like, what do I do with my hands, you know, kind of thing. It’s, and so I really like that seven hands. Habits of Highly Effective People. Oh my gosh, in terms of, you know, if you’re dealing with anger, for instance, you know, then, I mean, understanding Victor Frankel’s stuff, Jewish, Austrian psych psychiatrist and lecture now he’s on a table exercising his last Enduring Freedom, you know, the power to choose his response. He couldn’t control the stimulus what was happening to him at the time,

Unknown Speaker 56:24
right.

Jeremy Snowden 56:26
And, you know, his response you could control because of the space in between, which is his power to choose.

Brandon Handley 56:33
Yeah, that’s based in between is is it that’s, that’s something that me once you recognize that space in between, so there’s so much power and absolute there’s so much power in that. And you know, not for nothin like I was always like, felt like, you know, the fastest way to answer had to be like the smartest one right now. You’re the fastest One answer, but the more I think about it, like, the person who goes away and comes back with an answer, like the next day and really thought about it, that’s the person I admire, you know the person with a question. Okay, well, yeah, I’ll talk to you tomorrow.

Jeremy Snowden 57:16
Yeah. Nice.

Brandon Handley 57:18
Right and and then and then we usually within that time, you kind of figure out some answers for yourself. And to me anyways, whenever you ask a question, you’re like, Look, not for nothing. You’ve got it. You’ve got a pre loaded answer already. You know what I mean? You’re like, even in even for yourself, right? Like, you know, the whole idea of what you seek is seeking you, right? It’s just like, you’re just, you know, you’re sending out to the university. Like, this is what I’m looking for. It’ll the universe is like, Alright, well, here it is. You’re like, Ah, yeah. where, you know, you know, you know not I don’t know where you you, you only had eyes for that.

Jeremy Snowden 57:54
Right? Right. How about this, just throw a little bit of spice in Coggins did that. How many of us are self sabotaging at the 10th and goal all day,

Brandon Handley 58:07
every day?

Jeremy Snowden 58:08
Because we, I mean, we can see it through the membrane. And we’re afraid what that means.

Brandon Handley 58:14
There’s a really good book on that. Let me see if I’ve got it here. Notice there is I can do anything. I do anything, only if I knew what it was how to discover how to discover what you really want and how to get it. And this is, the concept is about scanners. Right? And scanners are like, you know, I forget what it is, but like, you know, some of us we’ve got this story, that we’re not going to go do this thing, because we feel like why can’t go do this because if I did that, I’d leave my family behind. Right or or like, you know, something would happen, my family, they would get upset with me and so we tell ourselves, all these stories They’re just that write stories. And so we stop ourselves at the 10 yard line. Because internally, we’ve got, like some story that we told ourselves that we heard, you know, 30 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 59:11
That’s so digged. In it’s it’s entrenched. Yeah. Right.

Brandon Handley 59:16
And and whether or not we like to admit it, we know that that’s still in there, right? We’re like, we’re like, now I got rid of that. Like, yo, bro, you don’t get rid of words. Right? They keep coming. They keep coming back. And that’s just like those stories that we keep telling ourselves and then we say, yeah, we think we got it fixed. And we am still there.

Jeremy Snowden 59:35
Right? Yeah. Incredible. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 59:38
Yeah, I mean,

Jeremy Snowden 59:39
that’s a that’s sorry. That’s like, a choice, right?

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, that’s a space right. That’s a space in between, right. That’s a space that’s a that’s the that’s the opportunity to recognize the story that you’ve told yourself over and over and over and over again, and and that’s your opportunity to say Not today.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01
Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:00:03
I talked way too much on this one, Jeremy, thanks for letting me talk. I mean, I can see why, you know, you’re you’re the guy that that, you know, thanks for this is how you hold space. I appreciate it. You know where, you know, you’ve got this coming up, where can people go join this group with you?

Jeremy Snowden 1:00:18
Absolutely. Thanks. And first off, I wanted to say, you know, I mean, like, you’re rocking it to, like, as far as like living your ultimate path. I can, I really can see from my side of the screen. Here’s somebody that’s going after it, you know, I’m saying you still have obligations, you still have things you have to do. And so this is extra right

Brandon Handley 1:00:40
side, hustle, whatever. It’s not. here’s, here’s, here’s the thing, and I appreciate that, right. It’s not the side hustle. This is I mean, you’ll listen to a lot of other people. If you make this the thing you have to do. There’s resistance in that and there’s worrying there’s concern and so you will think back, right you hold things back that are true. Do you because you’re concerned what other people may think. Right? And so if you just do it, because it’s true to you without expectation, I mean, we talk about Buddhism, right? And we talk about suffering is due to desires but suffering to me is due to our expectations suffering, his desires, our expectations, not being realized the way that we thought that they were going to come out right. So if we do this with the intention, if I do this with the intention that this has to work, all pressures on this all pressures on me that I lose my freedom with that, yeah, beautiful my freedom with that, so but I do appreciate the truth of the matter is this is true to me. 100% right now, getting to lead with spirituality instead of hiding behind your father for the rest of us was awesome. You know, doing that five group was great. They brought me To exactly where I am today it was necessary. I did you know I did prosperity practice and and dabbled in LA. But that also brought me here to ultimately spirituality. I’m like, you know what, I’m just gonna I’m just gonna leave with spirituality. Like we talked in the in this is like, that’s who I feel like I need to be I need to be the greeter I need to be the person that greets like you just like you right? Like, just like it is 100% you know, so we’re walking the same we’re walking a similar path, right? And and we’re just there to help people out man and the whole deal with this podcast is we’re out there doing it successfully and living our path and having a more fulfilled life through this version of ourselves.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:48
And there are plenty of people doing it. And my total intent is to show you that you can do it too.

Brandon Handley 1:02:58
I love that right. There’s some There’s something else. There’s something in Jeremy’s story that you’re going to hear today that resonates with you that says, I gotta, I gotta follow my path. I gotta, I gotta I gotta open up my own heart. I feel like I feel like I could you know, benefit from hanging out with Jeremy and learning about, um, you know, the hero’s journey, I’ve never heard about it. So go ahead, spend some time there. Understand it’s like to give people space and follow your path, man.

Jeremy Snowden 1:03:25
Absolutely. So we have a

Facebook group, of course, hero’s journey, which immense discussion discussion circle, which means you know, you’re in, you’re in if you want in your in piping, just we follow a DBA D Don’t be a, you know, whatever. Don’t Don’t just don’t troll in there just for the sake of trolling. Yeah, but it’s a great place to be able to connect, you know, it’s a safe spot. Some people what I’ve noticed, too, is there more. They’re more reserved, you know, they they they want to watch for While and that’s fine. And but it’s a great place to connect. And of course, you can message me, of course, Jeremy Snowden, feel free to add me if you’re a guy that’s into growth mindset, if you’re trying to find your way or if you just need some pointers or some feedback, always willing to schedule a call with you.

Brandon Handley 1:04:17
Yeah, I think that’s awesome that you’re holding that space for these people. And, you know, you’re accepting them and you’re helping them. You’re helping them find themselves man. And that’s super important. So thank you for joining. So that’s Jeremy Sloane on Facebook. And I know you’re on Instagram to where should they find you on Instagram?

Jeremy Snowden 1:04:39
Instagram is bald headed Movado. It’s a project that’s a tongue in cheek, I’m biracial. And so I kind of take potshots at you know, the the notion that you know, what are you supposed to be then? So it’s more of a tongue in cheek thanks, but I enjoy it. I love I love I’d love to connect there to all thank

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
you Thank you so much for joining us today. Cool. Thanks, brother.

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