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Creating your muse Spiritual Dope

Brandon Handley 0:00
Good morning, it’s time to get up and go to work. And it’s always been one of my favorite lines from the Beastie Boys, right? I don’t remember what song that leads into. But it was always great. It’s got it’s got to be on Paul’s boutique. Right? Paul’s boutique was always one of my favorites. I still remember, still remember finding Paul’s boutique for the first time? Like what the hell? Where’s this? Ben? Right? Where has this been? such an amazing album. So Meg, and I go back and forth often on the whole idea of, of obviously, forcing something but needing to be have a muse, right, needing to have a muse needing the moment to be right to launch into your artwork or your thing, whatever it is that you do. And I think that, um, I think that what can happen is that you always wait for like that perfect moment. And sometimes the Muse doesn’t strike you or or like, you’ve got so much. You’ve got so much riding on that muse. And you won’t do something, because you’re waiting for that perfect moment. And I was thinking about that this morning, as I was like, man, I really don’t have a whole lot to share, per se. Or is it really the fact that you’re kind of waiting for that perfect something. And a lot of times, and I don’t do it as often as I’d like. But also there and I’ll write it out. Sometimes the podcast some of the early podcasts that I did, especially with, especially with setting up the the beginning, the divine, to divine peace, right, when I did the framework for that, definitely set that up went through each one wrote it all out. And it was definitely well thought out, I felt like it was well thought out, at least it was thought out there was a completion it was done before it was done, as it were, the framework was there and I created it. And then, um, you know that that process in of itself was like, Alright, well, when you got the idea, just flush it out. And you just got you got the idea, just do it and take one run at it. And you always have the opportunity to take another run at it. But the deal is, is like, if you keep building a resistance, you know, to this thing that you want to do. But you don’t feel like you’ve got the perfect thing that you can do for it, then you’ll always kind of you always have that resistance there. It’ll always be there. And you may never you may never, you may never overcome like that, that that tiny, tiny thing, right? That moment of perfection that moment of I know I can do so much better than this. This is crap.

You Why would I do? Why would I do this this thing and it’s not the greatest. And I bring that up like I said this morning, I was like, you know, I haven’t done them for a while. And I miss I miss doing all canaries sorry. You don’t see them that often. The deal is is like you don’t you get kind of stuck in like this pattern, right? You get stuck in a rut of not doing the thing that you want to do. So you never do it. And, you know, I would encourage you as you’re, you know, thinking about that thing that you want to do, right? I’m doing the course a creative personal mastery with us. Sreekumar Rao, what a great course. And this week, we’re doing a couple two different things. And the two different things that we’re going through our mindfulness, which I feel you know, I I’m fairly mindful, I’m not perfect at it by any stretch of the imagination. But I am much more present much more aware and much more mindful these days than I have been in the past 40 years. I can definitely I can definitely say that. And the other piece is being bigger than your problem. Being bigger than the situation. I think being bigger than the situation is better than saying bigger than the problem. That’s where this this comes in. That’s the idea of, of what we’re doing today is be bigger than the situation be bigger than where you’re at and saying something to yourself like, well, this isn’t perfect, well, maybe it’s not perfect. But that’s what begins the light leak. That’s what begins the crack in the dam. That’s what begins the everything for you, right, as soon as you begin to open up and let it trickle, you begin to let it trickle. And then it just it just at some point, it doesn’t stop, it blows it all up, right blows it through. And I guess it creates an erosion effect of the dam. And over time, each little bit that you take action on each little piece is one more step closer to where it is that you want to be. And who it is that you say you would like to be. When you when you go through this process, are you making a left, I’m making a left, we’re both making a left, I don’t trust you ready? 123. All right, thanks for not hitting me, when when we both win, when you begin to take those steps towards the thing that you say you want to do. No matter how small no matter how imperfect, you begin to erode that dam and you begin to step more confidently. And what I mean by that, think about the baby steps. And if you haven’t raised a child, then think about when you see a baby horse, right, a full, full, taking some of its first steps, and, and those legs are super wobbly. And they don’t know, the horse doesn’t know, the baby doesn’t know, it doesn’t have confidence in their capability of their limbs, and how are they going to work. And the next thing, you know, you can’t find can’t find the child. And and next thing you know, you’ve got that one year old, full, who’s now cold is running. I think they usually three years old, but you know, they’re running, they’re running races, the run races that are literally running circles around you know, something else. And the idea is, once you begin to get your bearing, once you begin to get past that moment of, I guess it’s like insecurity, of whether or not you feel like you have the perfect thing to say, you know, you begin to develop that confidence in yourself. And then you begin to just enjoy being that person who you are, there’s a lot more joy in letting, letting anything out really anything that you express good or bad. But especially when you express something that is in line with who you believe yourself to be at that

time. And I say it like that because over time you’re going to evolve and change and and i think that that’s very important to realize and recognize as well. Your core ideas and beliefs may always be your core ideas and beliefs. But over time, like there’s going to be the the the surroundings of those core ideas and beliefs are going to change and evolve and expand and whatnot. So who what is it that’s in your life right now that you you’ve been you know, kind of waiting for the perfect moment where you’ve been waiting to shine your light, right? Like I wrote, I wrote something the other day that really talked about this talking about it was a quote talking about coming out of decisions made and fear are never as good as the ones that made are made and like the feeling of abundance and whatnot and when when you when you begin to open up right when you begin to shine, that light when you begin to feel who you are right the fear begins to recede and you begin to you begin, you begin to feel again, right you begin to feel safe again, you begin to feel whole again, as who you are, again within intention of being, being who and what you want to be. And to me, that’s, that’s very powerful. As you it’ll allows you to see, it just allows you to feel more comfortable with who you are, right? And it doesn’t, it doesn’t have to be a big thing. What is it that you want to do that would be in alignment with who you are, that you kept yourself from doing. Because you feel like the moment needs to be perfect, or you feel like the moments not perfect. But all you got to do is just start, all you’ve got to do is just take one small action into into that space, and you’d begin to see yourself as the person that you you’ve been telling yourself that you are all this time. And to me, and for me, you know, this is all from experience. zahl from from experience for me and starting my first podcast and starting my second third, and being that person and being in alignment. And continuing to I don’t want to say evolve, expand, I would say expand on the ideas that that I have had interactions that I’ve had and expand on who it is that I’ve become Who who are you being in the end, right? Who is it that you want to be and start showing up like that. And again, once you start taking those small, incremental steps into that, then you’re going to feel you’re going to you’re going to feel that self confidence, you’re going to begin to feel more at home. with yourself, which is which is kind of it’s ironic, right? You’re going to begin to feel that confidence. And when you do, you step into that. That’s what everybody’s always talking about kind of stepping into your power, right step into your power. Fuck the people that are like, stupid to your power. Or like you’re stepping into your greatness. I remember talking to people at a convention years ago, and people really want to shy away from the fact that they are already great, right shying away from this, the idea that you are already everything that you need to be in order to be who you would like to be. And that’s it. That’s great. You know, everybody’s wants the ideas, like everybody’s endowed with the seeds of greatness. Right? You’re, it’s up to you to kind of nurture that and make it so and become the person that you’d like to become and in alignment with all the things. So hopefully, you know, like I said, so this one started off with like, just the idea of like, I just want to get in and do it again. I

haven’t done one for a while. And for me, I feel like that came out. Okay. Right. And for me, I feel good because I got in and did it today, right? It’s kind of like when you go to the gym, right? You don’t. You don’t always want to go to the gym. But when you’re done, you’re always glad that you went Alright, that’s it guys take it easy and hit me up on spiritual dope Brandon at spiritual dope.co

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Shianne Doucette Spiritual Dope Podcast

Big thanks to Shianne for joining us in this shorter than average episode, there is a lot packed into this one and I know that you will enjoy it!

Please connect with Shianne over at https://www.shiannedoucette.com/

Brandon Handley 0:40
4321 Hey there podcasters How’s everybody doing? Today, we’ve got cyan to set on with us today. she communicates with light energy by allowing source energy to flow through her surpassing energy. surpassing society’s definition of a psychic medium, her approach is to show others that they too can access their own souls connection to source energy for healing of self and humanity. Her work is ongoing in the field of soul energy awareness and human of Oh, Lucian Sam, what’s going on? Thanks for joining us say hi. Thanks, Randy. So, um, you know, I usually like to start us off with the whole idea that we are right, we’re connected with Source Energy all the time, and that, you know, the divine speaks through us. And the idea that there’s going to be somebody who’s listening in today, that is only going to get like this message for them through you. What is that message today? So, I

Shianne Doucette 1:48
it’s funny, I had something planned to say that in when you’re asking this question, but source has a funny sense of humor, I actually have a message for someone very specific. And you’ll know who you are. I have a gentleman coming through who would have been in the 70s work with either Time Magazine, or Life magazine, really amazing photographer using old school, school photography. She was well traveled kind of looked like a Robert Redford back in the day, you’ll use very specific, he was given a lot of awards for his photography, specifically one watch. That is like, you see those big faith watches that everybody kind of wants to have now, he had one of those before they were popular. And it was I feel like it was an award. There’s also a map in the home where he would have raised his family that had like pin marks on the map of all the places that he travel. There’s also a connection to the next generation, somebody does something with satellite. So I am going through this really fast because it’s just kind of like coming in really quick. There’s something about code named snowflake, I don’t know what that means. It’ll mean something to somebody. It’s, I don’t feel like it’s a spy COVID snowflake, I think it’s like a family member member that it was a joke that it was like a snowflake would be the nickname for somebody. But there is a connection to someone in this generation that works with the satellites. So I flew through that really quick. What I was going to say is that my my message that I would give to someone out there and I think that this might actually be connected to that person. I feel like this could be this person’s grandson. It may not be the person listening the grandson, but it might be someone in the family who would know who the grandson was. No one ever loses their divinity no matter what they’ve gone through. So even if you hit rock bottom bottom, done some terrible things, or have had terrible things happen to you. You never lose your divinity, your connection to your soul. And also that connection to the higher, higher higher source of all, it’s always there for us. Just waiting. So

Brandon Handley 4:34
I hope I didn’t rattle this cool, right? Like semi it’s interesting, right? So you’ve got this idea of this person that you’re talking to specifically, whether it’s that person from the 70s with the watch or not, or that person is grandson or grandchild.

Unknown Speaker 4:52
Yeah. That person from the 70s would definitely be on the other side. I can feel him very strongly with me so

Brandon Handley 4:59
that that meant is coming through you from him to like the grandchild, right? Yeah. So and what I like, what you’re saying here too is even though maybe you’ve done terrible things, or terrible things have happened to you. One of the things that I’ve done in the past, you know, this year was to like, an email journey, right? spiritual journey of just kind of like, we’ll just call it spiritual potpourri. Right? And one of the things that I landed on was the idea of these saints, you know, that were sinners before they turn into saints, right? So I mean, to what you’re saying to even if they’ve even if you’ve done some things that you would you that that person, you were isn’t the person that you are. And that’s what I think a lot of people let that let that shame hold them down or keep them away from, like, you’re saying that divinity that’s always available to you and always within you is that, you know, kind of what you’re saying there though, right? Yes. So that’s sweet. I love that. Yeah. So give us give us a little background, like, where are you? Where are you working? What are you doing? You know, what do you what do you want to hit on today?

Unknown Speaker 6:10
Well, I’ve been been got it too, to do some videos on just sharing the some of the guided meditations I do with, with some one on one clients. And then also some of the ones I do in group reading that public events. Just really strong push to share that because it’s there for everybody. I find when I am doing a reading, there’s just a strong message that everybody has access to this, this wonderful connection that is that is I see it as the soul. And that when we, you know, be here on Earth, there’s so much going on, especially right now, there is a lot of healing going on. But there’s a lot of gunk kind of coming up to be released. And then we’re all in the middle of it. So yeah, those videos I hope to have out in the next six months, and they’re going to be available for everybody. I’ve also written a book, I’m Fingers crossed, getting that out there soon. And yeah, I kind of pull back a little bit on the one on one readings, just because I need a little break right now. We’ve got some family stuff going on with a member of our family not doing too well. So just kind of balancing the self care in there, too.

Brandon Handley 7:40
That’s important, that’s really important that you everybody always refers to the airplane, you know, mask, right? The mask falls down. First things first do is take a little bit for yourself, and you make sure that you stay alive so that you can help somebody else survive. So how, you know, what’s, what’s the title of the book? And what’s that going to be about?

Unknown Speaker 8:04
The book title is a small glimpse of everything. And it was kind of came to me because that’s what I see why I didn’t always clearly see a soul and I did a reading. I felt it kind of had an awareness of it. The more I tested my energy, the more I opened up to the connection that I had, personally, I was able to see it in others and just have this awareness of this all of this connection that we have. And actually Well, the way it works for me is it’s almost like a video or an audio projector overtop of someone like if I was reading you right now. And I think we talked about that, when it’s just this beautiful light ribbon of life that comes down through and it’s safer for everyone and different. Just like almost like a rainbow or have a fingerprint combined. And two, I call it a small glimpse of everything’s, it’s kind of like a small glimpse of the universe. So that’s, that’s, and it starts with my story of how I started working with energy. Some of the weird things that happened to me growing up and how I pushed it aside, and then leading up to some of the stories that I have permission to share from some really incredible people who’ve had some life changing moments in readings. So that’s that’s what the books about.

Brandon Handley 9:35
That’s great. So what what what got you into it right, what got you into this energy work? And how did you find yourself in this space? And you know, how have you been able to move it forward for the benefit of yourself and others?

Unknown Speaker 9:50
Well, it started out quite randomly with a theme. I think the universe was pushing me I mean, I think that there’s some things that you just kind of can’t turn or turn away from, and then you, you get the choice of whether you want to go all the way. I just, you know, like first was a yoga class where the teacher I thought I was going to like go to like an aerobics class where, you know, less less work and more results. She started talking about fan scripts and, and connections to this whole other ideas that I never experienced, because this would have been back in the early 2000s. And you know, I’m in a little small city we really hadn’t, it wasn’t really something I was exposed to very much.

Unknown Speaker 10:42
And then

Unknown Speaker 10:44
after that, it was just the learn, more and more things are opening up. And then I was getting massage treatment from someone. And she had a brochure on in our work area, talking about this thing called oneness, which was out of India and I went, and it was crazy. The force of energy that I felt, and I think that was kind of like the door opening was like, wow, we are so much more than I thought we were there’s much more than trying to you know, climb the corporate ladder, there’s much more than getting the great car and having the nice house and it it kind of like poke the hole in the whole idea that I was searching for something always outside of me. And here it was inside. And that’s that’s what it started with. And just learning to work with energy starting off there and being drawn to different modalities and just got like a real hunger to learn everything there was about energy

Brandon Handley 11:52
work. Yeah, that’s I mean, that seems to be the my wife, my wife hates the line, like the process, right. But that seems to be kind of the process, the process seems to be kind of the idea of finding this more than your sense of self. And I think that in, when you thought about for the podcasts, you’d put in there, the idea that everyone has the soul, and it’s their choice to use it. Which I wish I can agree with. But I think the challenge is to identify that that situation, right? And then, and then accepting that that’s true, right? And then it’s when you get to that point, that you realize that everyone has a soul and it’s your choice to use it. That’s when that’s when you make that choice. Right? is out. And so it sounds to me like that. So that happened to you, when you were in India, you is that you went out?

Unknown Speaker 12:48
No, it was a woman who brought the teachings event from India back during that, like that was my first real experience with energy work. And then she taught a workshop on how to how to do that. And it took off and then there was Reiki and so

Brandon Handley 13:05
that’s the other piece though not to talk over you but like the other pieces, right? So now they want you to decide to use the soul. She views like that is just like this. There’s like this black pit of knowledge desire, like to learn more about it and you know, get closer to it and be a part of it, and then share it out with everybody is that kind of been what your journey has been like?

Unknown Speaker 13:29
Yeah, and honestly, I mean, I get it so asked backwards, and I fell down on her so many times, because when I saw this, like, you know, experiences working with energy, and then it was like, wow, I want to learn how to do this, I want to learn how to also share it with someone else. So that energy is going through me. And at the same time was was not connecting to my own self and using that and harnessing that. And it was a journey to learn that part of it and to trust that part of it. And the funny thing is, is that when you start going along and you’re you’ve got these ups and downs and you’re, you’re learning how to work with your own energy and you’re seeing the miracle of it working on someone else. There’s almost like the swelling, you know, they talk about the present moment. There’s this calmness that comes in. It’s almost like this. The Iraqi answers this calm feeling that comes in it’s like, man, I don’t get in this lifetime. So what are the nice final one after that? So it’s it’s kind of hilarious being a human being down here when you really think about it. So

Brandon Handley 14:41
yeah, our time is, is is so seemingly finite. But uh, you know, the idea is really that we are eternal, right? And here we are. We’re like grasping, kicking and clawing to do everything that we can with this seemingly limited amount of time and it’s really just I don’t know if you’re watching Old 80s movie, the gods must be crazy, right? Is just just just, that’s what it really kind of boils down to the gods must be crazy because here we are running around like crazy. And for what? To what? And so Cheyenne, I know usually there’s a little bit more time for us but like so I’ve got a couple questions I’d like to ask on towards the back end here. And almost like a spiritual speed dating thing that you and I talked about. And just so everybody knows real quick here, like Cheyenne did an awesome reading on me, had a great time. And really, you know, you do the medium work in general, you’re not doing the one on one so much right now because of family stuff. But like, it was great like, and it’s it was an It was a great experience. And I don’t think that this is my second medium reading from a different person. But it was a little bit different. And it helps you in different ways. And so I appreciate what you did for me, and I thought I thought it was really excellent. So as as I’m getting on to this next question for you, though, I just I just thought it would tell people to reach out to you because it’s a it’s a great experience. So either the coursework, or just trying to get a hold of Cheyenne to see what’s up. I highly recommend it. So I’m only gonna have time for one quick question is a spiritual speed dating. When is war justifiable? It’s an easy one, right?

Unknown Speaker 16:25
So from a higher perspective, I’ve asked this question myself, so I’m going to give you the higher perspective that they gave me because to me, it’s never, it never made any sense. But then at the other side of it, it’s like, but what if they have this and they’re taking the rights away from these people, and then we go with. So I was explained it this way that there is nothing here to find a boat, but we’ll always find something to fight about, until we connect to that, which we are until we start remembering what we really are. So we’re always going to find a justification for war until we all evolve. I hope that makes sense. Do you want more clarification on that?

Brandon Handley 17:13
Also, so in the idea of evolution, I think that that’s the challenge, right? We’re, we are constantly seeking to be more, because I’d like so we’re looking to evolve. But what is there to evolve? What really needs to evolve is the understanding of who we already are. Right?

Unknown Speaker 17:33
Yeah. And I think you’re, we’re, if you look at it, again, I mean, I always ask to see the higher perspective, even though my human brain can always make total sense of it. When I say evolve, I mean, involving the human experience, because again, there’s a piece of each you like, what I do, when I ask to see the higher perspective, it’s almost like that little cores in every living thing, and also connected to that, but like, like, almost like meridian lines, that that anything here alive or even beyond that. wouldn’t be here, if it wasn’t connected to that source energy. And it’s almost like we’ve been coming. There’s like a separation from source energy. And as it’s coming back with that source energy remembers, and the experiences that we have here, coming in with that memory of what we are. So we’ve always been evolving as humans and from what my understanding is, this is not the first time it’s been done in so many different ways. When you get into like the quantum of it, like it’s mind blowing. So really, it’s again, it’s that stepping back and realizing Well, for this year, having a human experience is nothing here is real, what are we so worried about? But at the same time, when you bring in that soul connection, there is that piece in that memory and when you you know when you’re connected, because and if it’s only for a few seconds, I mean, you take this takes, there are people out there who get this and they’ve got it 24 hours and I mean, I might have it for during a reading because I’ve meditated for like a good half an hour an hour beforehand. And I’ve put the ego aside the inner child aside, but still, I mean, if I go out in the traffic and somebody you know, cuts me off, there I go again, I’m human, and I’m kind of pulled away from the soul self. So yeah, so as a as a as having a human experience. Without the soul connection. You’re always going to find a justification for fighting for arguing because you’re constantly suffering.

Brandon Handley 19:46
Now you’re right, that that means that makes 100% sense. So unfortunately, yeah, we don’t have a whole lot of time today and I do have to move on to the next piece. But so what you know, where’s your We send people to connect with you shine.

Unknown Speaker 20:04
You can follow me on Instagram. Cheyenne Doucet, you can follow me on Twitter. Again Cheyenne, Doucet Facebook page Cheyenne to set I think that’s the shine does that psychic medium. Also have a webpage try and do stuff. And again, watch the videos. I hope to be getting those out there soon for everything. Awesome.

Brandon Handley 20:23
Thank you so much for joining today. Thank you. It’s a pleasure, Brandon. Thanks a lot guys

Unknown Speaker 20:28
enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove co You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual and Instagram and spiritual on discord go. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email to Brandon at spiritual dove Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time week on your zone and trust your intuition

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Listen to some of Lindsey's Wisdom Today!

Thanks to my wife Meg, I got to connect with another spiritual badass Lindsey E Garner, creator of Standing in Front of Strangers Naked

Tune in to find out how you too can find practical ways to bring spirituality into everything you do!

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:01
all right. Bye 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a special friend Lindsey. she say she was saved Lindsay

Unknown Speaker 0:13
he car? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 0:15
Because I said, it is very important. It’s very important so that people can pull you out of the crowds of Lindsey Gardner. Right. And so Lindsay is actually, you know, pretty good friend of mags for those of you that know me, you know, then you probably know, Megan’s a good chance you already know, Lindsay. And then, um, you know, so let’s talk about Lindsay and her standing naked in front of strangers blog. I’m just gonna do I’m gonna read Liz gonna read your about me here off of your, your blog posts, and then you can make a decision whether or not you want to keep that going forward. Okay. My entire life, I felt like an outsider feeling like I saw things a little different than most of the people around me. A few years ago, I started to be okay with that, I started to strip off the layers that I’ve been carrying around for the decades and show up a whole lot more authentically, I started writing to free up some space in my brain for forward movement. First out, people liked what I had to say. So I kept reading. I don’t feel super tied to labels of mom, wife, soldier, Yogi, although these are all titles I’ve hold held. But I’m so much more connected to the idea that each of us is on a little trip to figure out our own purpose. And this is a part of mine. And I hope you’ll join me so thanks for being on. And thanks for your thanks for agreeing to be on is this how many podcasts Have you been on?

Lindsey Garner 1:38
Zero? Now one?

Brandon Handley 1:40
Oh, this is this is this is your first Well, you’re welcome. Like I told you, before we got on, you know, it’s it’s a it’s cool to get all in because a you’ve learned it, you don’t go up in flames. Right? Like and you can do it like there’s nothing to it. Other than just kind of showing up and being yourself. So welcome.

Lindsey Garner 2:00
Thanks. That’s my favorite thing to do. So, you know, why not?

Brandon Handley 2:04
For the you’ve listened to a couple of podcasts. And thanks for thanks for being a listener. So you probably know how I open these up right with the idea that that we are word vessels for source. God, whatever, whatever you feel like calling it and you’re on today, because you have a message that is going to reach somebody is yours that can only be delivered through you. Right? What is that message today?

Lindsey Garner 2:34
I actually did like a little meditation before we started just to transition from one part of my life into this. And I think what I kept kind of landing on is like, yeah, I’m not I’m not some, like giant published author had a little piece of like imposter syndrome as far as like, I don’t know, what do I have to say? Right? Um, but it kept then it was like, okay, maybe I say one thing, that one person out there takes and is like, yeah, I’m not alone. I’m not feeling these thoughts or, or living in a space that I am totally on my own. And, and so that’s, that’s how I’m coming into this. And I think there’s something to be said, for living that way. Like maybe you smile at someone, you take a second and you smile at someone, you just don’t know the impact that that has in their day. So the more that we just live in a way that really feels like we’re honoring ourselves, the ripples are pretty big.

Brandon Handley 3:41
Nice, I mean, just kind of just owning who you are. And I hate to say just right, so owning who you are, and that that’s actually very powerful. So owning who you are, and owning that you have the power to change someone’s life with your smile.

Lindsey Garner 3:57
Yeah, you do. Like it’s crazy. You really can I, I work, I manage a retail store that’s like my full time gig a lot. And I’ve learned, I never thought it would be in retail and I actually quite like it. But I’ve learned so much the impact that you can have just on on, like, allowing space for someone to actually show up and not being tanned and like how are you doing today? And then them just saying great. Oh, okay, great. Like it’s this script we run through, you know, but rather actually like stopping and saying, No, like, actually, how are you doing today? And it’s okay to not be okay. And you can say that even to somebody selling a yoga pants like it’s fine. And the cool things that have opened up for me through that. I mean, I can’t count them. It’s phenomenal.

Unknown Speaker 4:51
What’s one

Lindsey Garner 4:55
I think it’s the relinquishment of ego. Yeah, I mean, you never get rid of it right? It’s always there. Well, yeah.

Brandon Handley 5:03
How’s that? So yeah, I mean, how’s that showing up for you? Right? Like, really question of ego through your work at retail. I mean, I guess I would take a step further though, because not everybody that works in retail is able to let go of the script. Right. Not everybody that works in retails okay with relinquishing ego. And I can tell you, I mean, even in years past is working like as a bartender, or, you know, being that customer facing person. And somebody is being an asshole. Like, I am really hesitant to relinquish ego, I’m like, No, you’re being an asshole. Right? You know, so. So walk me through your process of that was clearly before my ascension.

Unknown Speaker 5:55
I’m basically transcended as well. Right? I

Brandon Handley 5:58
mean, that’ll never ever happen again in my life. But the deal is new. So how are you? How are you doing that? Because I think that’s, that’s really the impact of this podcast, right? The impact of this podcast is, yeah, your spiritual. But how are you applying it in your daily life? So that, you know, you’re not? You’re not? I’m physical Lindsey over here. And I’m metaphysical Lindsay over here and understanding like, and together like, you know, you meet in the middle somewhere. So that’s how you meet yourself in the middle.

Lindsey Garner 6:32
Yeah, I think, um, I mean, meditation, meditation is like, changed my whole life. And I can’t pinpoint it to like one style, or one time that I practice, it really is more of an evolving thing. And I can talk more about that. But what it gives me Is this like ability to put a little bubble around myself, right and like, hold in and recognize what’s my emotions? My thoughts my feelings? versus like, what’s Karen from Kansas that comes in my store is pissy we don’t have a size four pair of shorts, like that’s actually has nothing

Brandon Handley 7:14
Kansas should know. First of all. Oh, no. So so it’s funny, though. So you mentioned though, the, the idea of no one set meditation I To me, it would be almost like, Oh, no, your, your, your favorite herbal tea that day? Right. Like, there’s all kinds of like, one day, you’re like, I need I need to calm down. Okay, Karen, meditation, right. And sometimes I need sometimes I need hyped up, you know, Lindsey, sometimes I need, you know, whatever. But it gives sounds like what you’re saying those that gives you the opportunity to go in and create that energetic bubble, right, what you want, who do you want to be in these next few moments? Right, that you get to create that? Is that what you’re saying?

Lindsey Garner 8:03
Answer remember, that, that? We don’t have any idea what that other person’s life looks like? Like, I don’t I have no idea. 99% of the time, I’m gonna guess it has nothing to do with those shorts. Doesn’t it has to do with a lot more, some deep seated stuff, right? And whereas I used to take that on and and, and I mean, I would take these people’s shit home with me. I’m like, What am I doing? Like, why do I care so deeply about someone’s reaction to foster requiring masks in our store or something like that? I am in Florida. So I mean, you know, the week you are out here, it’s like thing, but um, well.

Brandon Handley 8:50
How did you, you know, talk to what’s the process of going from, you know, taking that home every day to learning to let that go. And did that happen overnight? Or did it take you some time?

Lindsey Garner 9:03
No, probably years. Ah, I actually started to because I worked for a company and sells yoga pants. We have a lot of yoga. We do a lot of yoga. It’s how we used to like really market our business. And so I got back it up. I got out of the army. I was in the army for about 12 years. Yeah, the army there was no no real like, like industry down where we moved. My husband got stationed in Florida. This is not where we’ve chosen it came down here. There’s no industry that was related to my background. So I’m like, I tried to stay home. I’m not a stay at home mom. Like I just, I was making my own seasalt I yeah, my husband come home and was like, Hi.

Unknown Speaker 9:46
Hey,

Unknown Speaker 9:47
it’s me. It’s not to me.

Brandon Handley 9:52
I mean, I would like to know how you made your seesaw.

Lindsey Garner 9:58
The Golf Got it. I No kidding. Yeah, that’s serious.

Unknown Speaker 10:05
You can buy it’s pretty cheap. There’s no fun in that.

Brandon Handley 10:08
I’m sure there’s no fun. There’s no fun in that, right? You can buy all kinds of things. But you’re over here you’d like a teaspoon of salt. You’re like,

Lindsey Garner 10:16
six hours. So great. Everybody gets a little grain

Unknown Speaker 10:22
sparingly.

Brandon Handley 10:23
Why are you using all the salt?

Lindsey Garner 10:27
I’m serious. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 10:28
I get it. I get it. I get it. No,

Lindsey Garner 10:30
I just got a part time job at this store. And it turns out I really liked it. The company was really cool. And it got me into yoga. I’d never done yoga. I had never been around it. I always thought it was like this, like, woo Wee thing. Yeah, so I started that and it was mostly a physical practice it and little by little I kind of came to understand. I’m a reader. I’m a learner, I am always I am probably always have like five books by my nightstand and like three audio books and two podcasts going all the time. And I just started reading a little bit more on where yoga really came from, and the true intent of yoga and little by little kind of got out of my physical practice of actual like Asana, moving my body through it, and much more connected to the meditation aspect and the the grounding principles of yoga and the eight limbs. And so I, from there just kind of started learning, all kinds of things about meditation. And we are really fortunate in our area. prudence burns here, because she has that veto song Dear Prudence, to doubt her. So that’s her, she lives here.

Brandon Handley 11:52
I don’t know. I don’t know that I recall the song Come and get a cup of water.

Lindsey Garner 11:55
When it’s actually about when the Beatles were at a yoga retreat in India. And there was a woman who sat in a room and meditated for hours and hours, and they were like, come out, prudence come out. That’s her. And she’s actually one of the leading teachers and she is a Sanskrit translator, translator, interpreter. I

Brandon Handley 12:19
don’t know. She can she can do. She can do Sanskrit.

Lindsey Garner 12:22
Yeah. So she’s here. And I met her and she shared about Transcendental Meditation with me. So I went through that training. And that was really my first go at meditation. I really had never done anything. Do you know

Brandon Handley 12:36
how much I’ve watched? Yeah, a little bit. So how is TM different than some other meditation forms of meditation?

Lindsey Garner 12:44
mantra base to so you’re assigned a mantra, go through the training or sign a mantra, and then it’s 20 minutes twice a day. It’s pretty structured. pretty strict. It’s very structured. And the guidance is like, that’s what you do. And there’s a lot of rules around it worked for me to start, but I’m kind of I’m kind of like an inner inner what, what are,

Brandon Handley 13:06
what are some of those rules? Right, and what was your mantra? Um,

Lindsey Garner 13:10
so everybody has their unique point and I’m super suspicious, so are like super superstitious. And so I am not going to tell you my, my own journey because I am worried.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Are you not allowed to?

Park you down is like a nonconformist.

Lindsey Garner 13:34
Yeah, thank you, um, but it’s like, okay, you meditate 20 minutes twice a day, you don’t want to do it a certain amount of time before bed. You don’t want to ever do it like laying down unless you’re sick. There’s just a lot of it, where I’m like, it just became inaccessible to me. And it became hard for me to consistently practice it. And took some really great things from it. And then from there, just kind of started reading about mindfulness. And then know that a lot of guided meditations are so accessible now. I mean, you can pull up the meditation app, and there’s like, 40 to open them up. And in that for those 42 apps. There’s 1000s. So just started playing around with that. And then I went to I just finished a training but my husband was sick. You know about that. My husband got really sick last year. And throughout the course of that had a lot of really specific. Like, really like a lot of trauma. I hate that word. And I don’t know why I hate that word. But I do a lot of really specific traumas that happened. I saw him

Unknown Speaker 14:50
do it throughout that through that throughout that ordeal.

Lindsey Garner 14:52
Yeah, he almost died a couple times. It was pretty hard and I lost my ability to drop into meditation really quickly. And it got so frustrating to me where I was like, this is a tool that I have that I need more than ever, and I can’t get into it and didn’t know why. And I reached out to a friend and she was like, hey, I’ve actually been doing some studying on trauma based meditation and how like, in times where you are really hyper focused on these events that have created this stir up in your brain, meditation can actually be really damaging if you’re not, you know, guided or led in the right way, or you’re not aware of that trauma. And so I started reading a little bit about that, and and then I just actually went to a training on feta healing, which was awesome, super awesome. But

Brandon Handley 15:49
you owe me like, more links or something on that. And here’s the you know, what’s funny, those right, you know, army 12 years, getting involved with yoga, and then be like, Oh, this is all Whoo, to being. I just finished my data healing. And I’d like to know, I’d also like to know more about the trauma, meditation. Um, because you’re right. When you when you this happened to me, mine was in no way shape, or form, you know, as severe as, you know, kind of what you were going through. But I was going through a space.

Unknown Speaker 16:27
And I couldn’t I

Brandon Handley 16:30
couldn’t I couldn’t get out of it. Right. Yeah. And I know all this stuff. And I’m really, really good at it, right. But there was something just and it wasn’t even big, but it was just enough. Where I was so focused on it, and I couldn’t I couldn’t get the fuck out of my own way.

Lindsey Garner 16:46
Yeah, it turns out that’s like, why happens? You just you get, all you do when you get quiet for meditation is you just replay that?

Unknown Speaker 16:56
Like, oh,

Lindsey Garner 16:58
what am I doing over here? You know, and I don’t know a whole lot about it. But I have just kind of started digging in and reading some books and learning about it. But even just

Unknown Speaker 17:11
just like

Lindsey Garner 17:12
somebody else, again, like somebody else saying, like, hey, it’s okay. Like, dude, forgive yourself.

Brandon Handley 17:20
Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s 100% 100% when somebody else can share the human condition. And lets you know that you’re not alone. And that, I think that that’s something that you do with your, your blog, right? You did two things with your blog that that come to my mind. If you don’t mind, like me shower, like kind of some some quick thoughts on that. Right. Um, one is, I’m a Bob Proctor fan. The dude the dude, like, wise, and you know, I don’t know if there’s some sales gimmicks, and I’m afraid to give them money, but like everything he says, is legit. And, and one of his one of the things that he recommends, or he talks about something that he practices is, whenever he’s got a problem, or whenever he’s going through something, he writes it down on it, he gets it out of his head, and on a piece of paper, out of his head and onto a piece of paper. And then he’ll go through it, he’ll read it. And I’ll ask themselves, did I get it all out? Right? I think it’s, I think it’s a kind of a Karthik thing, where, and at the same time, you can look at it, it’s like talking to somebody almost right. And you and I can talk about the you know, any problems that we’re having. And sometimes when it comes out of your mouth, you like, was not as big as I thought that it was, like that was a pretty big inside my head, it was huge. But once it got out here to this face, I was able to kind of see it in a different light in a different way. So I think that that’s one thing that you do with your blog, right? Sounds like it kind of started from a space where you needed to get the shit out of your head.

Lindsey Garner 18:53
Yeah, I was reading it if I was real.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And so you’re getting readers, and people do like it. And I think that they like it because you’re just being honest, sincere and letting them know and I’m not even trying to lead by example or anything again, just sharing who you are and what you’re going through in, in a non sugar coated kind of way. And yeah, people get to see that

Lindsey Garner 19:21
really hate that sugar coating thing that hate it, I think. Yeah, I don’t know. I really, it’s like my pet peeve when you know, somebody ain’t okay. And they’re like, not, everything’s great. Or like, this is why I’m posting on social media is what I’m sharing with the world. And then Meanwhile, it’s like a dumpster fire and you’re like, maybe if you just share the dumpster fire a little bit. You can have somebody be like, Oh my god, I’m actually in this dumpster too. And I know the way out. It’s

Brandon Handley 19:52
right over here. Yeah, no, that’s Yeah, that’s fair. But let’s let’s let’s play it in reverse because I also know that you’re you’re A big fan of some manifestation and a little bit of LA. Right. So then what happened? You know, how does that work in that space for you? Right? So if I focus on my problem, and I talk more about it, am I attracting more of it? Or am I learning at all? I mean, you know, I mean,

Lindsey Garner 20:17
yeah, I think about that damn, Esther Hicks Get out of my head. You don’t know me? I do. Think about it. Do you think a lot of it comes from the intention in it? Right? I don’t sit in my shed, I write it. And that is that is that catharsis of like, okay, I read it, I give it out. I read it. And then it’s done. I’m not coming back. I’m not not saying it. And I think that’s part of it. And this is like, for every human being out there. There’s something for them to do that allows them to do that. For me. It’s writing, right? You know, for some people it might be running, I don’t know, gross, but to each their own. I can’t imagine feeling better. Mentally. After a long run. I’ve usually I’m like, oh my god. Everything hurts. But

Brandon Handley 21:07
yeah, me.

Lindsey Garner 21:09
Cooking, like cooking can be therapeutic for people you could have great,

Brandon Handley 21:13
yeah. So for me, it took me a while to kind of get around to it and understand it. But when I’m cooking in the kitchen, I’m creating something. That’s an act of creation. And

Unknown Speaker 21:27
it feels wonderful,

Unknown Speaker 21:28
right? And you’re serious,

Brandon Handley 21:30
right? You get to share and then and then if somebody doesn’t need it, or if they use too much seesaw, I get pissed, but

Lindsey Garner 21:36
you made your own.

Brandon Handley 21:38
But but the deal is it’s like and you start to let go of that too. Right? You must see your you know, somebody who’s getting pissed because you know, size for shorts aren’t down. It’s it’s like you’re not doing it, you’re just getting over the reaction to what you’ve done or created. Right? Whereas the process, you know, Meg and I had this conversation not too long ago, she’s like, I hate the process. I was like, well, the process is pretty cool. You just haven’t kind of experienced it yet. Right? You haven’t experienced like this, this this thing where you morphed through the process? Yeah. Right. And then like, because there’s really nothing else you can say to it, other than it’s the process of creation process. So yeah, and when you go through creating something with purpose, and 10, and love, then doesn’t really matter what the outcome is, unless it’s murder. And then there’s then we got to talk, but I can’t you know,

Lindsey Garner 22:35
love course, maybe I don’t know. I feel like she’s watched a documentary about some shows

Brandon Handley 22:40
you seen one or two on them? For sure. For sure. So let’s me let’s talk about what’s your process. Ben. Right, let’s talk about if you were to, if you were to guide somebody through it right now. And I see on your site, just as talk to me, like what somebody can reach out to you for? And you know, what would you guide through somebody through in a process oriented way?

Lindsey Garner 23:02
I’m trying to think I think the last person, or probably the by get the most feedback about is anytime that I talk about my relationship with my body. I don’t want to make a sweeping statement like this is something that women experience differently than men because I think men experience the same sort of, like discomfort in their own skin, or pressures from society or whatever. But this has been a big journey of mine. And I yeah, I mean, growing up. My mom is something special. She did her best. I believe that we don’t have a great relationship now. And a lot of that comes from me becoming a parent. And seeing Oh, wait, woof. That was maybe not an okay thing. I remember she told me I was maybe 30. I mean, I had done some shit in my life. And she said, the proudest I’ve ever been, is when you decided to lose weight when you were a teenager. And I’m like, wow, like, I want to combat had a kid I graduated degrees and have a successful career. And I was like, Whoa, there it is. So it’s just something that was ever present in my life. And that constant need to look a certain way to show up a certain way for everyone else, because I thought that’s what was needed to be and so I get a lot of women after I write about that, specifically, that will reach out and say like, okay, like, What do I do? Like, how did you get there? How did you get to the point where it’s not that I don’t care? I mean, I definitely care what I look like, but I don’t attach so much meaning and expectation to it anymore. I Who was it? It was on your podcast, and they call it a meat suit. Who was that?

Brandon Handley 24:57
That was this funny Christian. It was Yeah, he’s He’s really good.

Lindsey Garner 25:04
I really do like, as I’ve learned to meditate, and as I’ve learned to get a connection with the divine through meditation, I realized like, this is not it.

Brandon Handley 25:14
This is funny. I would, I would love to say that this is a smaller part of who we are.

Unknown Speaker 25:24
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:24
that’s right. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, I mean, if we infant festival, right, especially if we consider ourselves, I don’t know, in connection to the universe, right? Or as the universe, depending on how you kind of want to want to go about it. You know, yeah, Krishna said that, you know, other people that have said that plenty of times as neville goddard talks about being in the meatsuit Alan Watts will talk about being meatsuit. It’s not. He says, It is funny, but it’s, it’s true. Right? These are just, this is just something that we’re wearing right now. Right? Yeah. So

Lindsey Garner 26:00
beautiful. Like what is attractive to, like other people like what is attracted to me a guy that I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m super attracted that guy. Another person is like, what? Right? So subjective, that I think like, it comes from meditation. And I always comes back to that that like, because I started there. And then I realized, Oh, wait, actually, I’m this ball of light. And I’m connected to the divine all the time. And like, I don’t want to talk shit about the divine right? Why am I talking shit about myself?

Unknown Speaker 26:35
all the time? Yeah.

Lindsey Garner 26:37
And then I just became like, I didn’t want to have small talk anymore. And I noticed this, so many women around me, the majority of the conversations were grounded around what their kids were doing with their husbands are doing in their bodies.

Brandon Handley 26:52
Would you say that? That’s just because they’re, they’re afraid of who they really are? Yeah. How would you help somebody get through that?

Lindsey Garner 27:03
Yeah. I, um,

Brandon Handley 27:08
I mean, like, right, right. Like, I mean, so it will even flip back to you. So you think that you’re divine? Right. And you’re connected to the divine? Yes, you so somebody else said they are divine, and they’re connected to the divine, and they still have some larger conversations.

Lindsey Garner 27:24
Well, I have them unabashedly. And what I have noticed is that when I have them, that is uncomfortable at first. And then it becomes an okay thing. I mean, I do this and I do this. At my store, I have about 30 people that work for me and they love hate me. Because I make these conversations a thing. Like if I come into the break room, and we’re talking about trying to lose weight, so our size look less fat, I like awkwardly change the topic to What are you reading? What’s a book you’re reading? Let’s talk about it? Or do you want to hear about what I manifested last year, like I unabashedly just, I just think we’re playing small, and I will call people out on it. And I think sometimes it’s just that destruction that’s needed. And then it’s like, again, it’s like a ripple effect. I do it. And I see other people do it, little by little, and that’s, like, greatest success of my whole life is when I come in, and we’re talking about big things.

Brandon Handley 28:24
That’s great, right? Because then you can see that you’re having some influence, right? Or, you know, you’re manifesting that right? for yourself, right? Like, like, you know, so you’re able to kind of see this future state where you walk into an office and a break room, and everybody’s talking about cool shit instead of chubby thighs. Right? I mean, you know, just to kind of lay it out there like that. So, it’s what makes it so easy for you to, to, to, you know, feel like you’re living this kind of greater life and to be able to look at somebody else and say that, hey, you could be living a greater life or, you know, stop playing small. Right? And I bring that up, because I recall being It was a few years ago, I was in a dad, dad bloggers convention, because that was my space at the time. But I was asking these guys is like, you know, what’s the feel like for you to step into your greatness and I meant it, right? Like, yeah, and they shied away from accepting anything that looked like greatness and kind of hurt my heart. Yeah, it’s like, Wow, man, like you’re a great person, and like, you’re doing something awesome. But you don’t even see it for yourself. Right. So how do you how do you know how do you step into your greatness and how you help and other stuff There’s

Lindsey Garner 30:02
number one like expectations, you gotta let them ships go, which I say is like, it’s so easy. I would say this, like, I basically have mastered this. No, I totally not that just so you know. But I have learned so much around really pushing expectations, not not just at work in my life in my marriage, like, so much. Just because I want an outcome from someone or I see something in someone, I don’t have an ability to impact their path. I don’t touch it, and on my you know, like a marble, your marble hits, and then it goes another direction or pool ball or whatever. But who am I to know what their journey looks like? And how many awesome things could come from them effing things up. And I mean, that’s part of it. You know, my last year of my life has been really, truly transformative. My husband and I have been through a shit ton. And I have watched him really come into his own. And he was on the phone. He had surgery yesterday, he had one more heart surgery yesterday. And he couldn’t be on our marriage. Can we have marriage counseling every week? It’s like, we don’t miss it. Even if we feel really good. We’re like, Nope, still doing it. And I was sitting in my marriage counseling, and my counselor and I were talking and I was saying how, how hard it is to be a caregiver for someone for this long. And I was like, man, there’s things about my husband, that I really miss, you know, from a year ago, like, physically that he could do, or just like experiences we could have when he is truly healthy. And he was like, but what’s come of it. And I thought I thought about it, I was like, this person that’s here, now is so, so much more grounded in like, what’s truly important. He’s learning about the things that we’re talking about it now. And like, we’re able to have actual real conversation where we show up as ourselves instead of this, like surface shit. And I’m like, you know what, actually, right? Like, that’s what matters, not the, you know, he does assess, take naps, like that’s really he’s in the hospital for a year, you don’t come out of that in three months. So it’s cool. I didn’t deal with that. Because there’s all this and we had to go through all that shit. For that to happen, he probably wouldn’t have if he if he hadn’t almost died as many times as he did, or we hadn’t had any of the issues that we had, we wouldn’t be here. And so that has given me the perspective to know that like, hey, Karen, I see you, we don’t have your shorts. I’m sorry, that is pissed you off. I was just gonna be kind to you anyway, maybe it impacts you. Maybe it doesn’t.

Brandon Handley 32:58
Because it goes to the whole idea of you know, treating others as you know, we can love thy neighbor isn’t love thy neighbor, them, you know, you love the neighbor as yourself. Because, you know, in essence, and at least in our conversation in our world, they are. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you’re not getting it. And I say this so that, you know, for the person out there that is struggling to deal with the people that are paying their ass or whatever, with a couple things, right? I mean, however that person is, that’s kind of a reflection of who we are. Right? And then the idea of you get what you give, so no, kill them with kindness, right? And maybe, maybe take that person out of the equation and put yourself in an equation, right? Like, you know what, I’m just gonna, you’re me. I love you. Yeah, you know, I

Lindsey Garner 33:55
mean, oh, I just had a thought that. Okay, I don’t share this a lot. So I’m going to share it and this is what I do. So my husband cheated on me. We had infidelity in our relationship. And here it is, like, this girl that he cheated on me this was a manifestation of every single insecurity that I had. She was the complete opposite of me. And in my deepest shit, it made me super insecure and like I’m not good enough. I’m, I don’t look a certain way. I don’t add a lot on Instagram posting selfies. It’s just not who I am. no judgement, live your life, but it’s not. And I was like, Oh my God, is this what he wants? And then I I mean, it clicked for me one day and I was like, holy shit. She is everything that I am holding on to as my own insecurity and I put that shit in my path. And I’m not you know, I’m not here to say that. There’s not any like, Oh, it was me that I did that. No, I

Unknown Speaker 35:00
mean, but but I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:02
so you’re taking ownership of it and one way or another, right. And, and it was really interesting. I saw jack Canfield, you know, Chicken Soup for the Soul guy. He said, just just for a moment, if you can own 100% of it, by all of it, then own it, right. But if you just own 99% of it, then there’s a problem, right? But here, and what you’ve done is you’ve said, you know, you’re looking at this other person, those are all the vibes that you were sending out, you were like, creating this thing yourself. And you focused on it long enough with enough emotion with enough intensity to you know, kind of create your own bullshit. Gollum, whatever her name was.

Lindsey Garner 35:52
100% Yeah. Right. And, and, and crazy, like, exactly it in my head.

Brandon Handley 36:00
Right. And and, and the thing is, there’s a lot of power in that then no, so Okay. dial in the wrong fucking thing. So now, now you’re like, Alright, well, you know, here’s what I would change about that going forward. Right? And and, you know, you mentioned Esther Hicks. Right. So you’re an abraham hicks fan?

Unknown Speaker 36:23
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 36:25
The her whole principle is like, you know, the relationships that you’ve had in the past, right? The idea that I don’t want somebody this moves, I don’t want somebody does this. I don’t want somebody does that, and yada, yada, and all sudden that person shows up. Right? Right. It was funny, because a meg and I had dinner last week, we were talking about the relationships that my mom had, as I was growing up, you know, her, my dad was abusive, right? And so she got us out of that before me and before it ever earned for me. But almost every guy that I recall, her being in a relationship later in life with was abusive. So just makes me think, and I’m sure that, you know, she tunes into this one that she probably say no, but and I don’t know, but like, you know, the whole idea of, I don’t want somebody that abuses me, I don’t want somebody to treat me like this. I don’t want somebody treats me. And instead of instead of saying, This is what I do want. And and I always, you know, I have Meg do it at dinner. I was like, you know, do you pull out your Google phone, you know, pull up Google put in there, type in no red balloons, right? What’s gonna come up black and red balloons everywhere? I mean, it because, you know, so our minds operate in the same way. So I mean, you know, which is something you’re familiar with. One of the things that you did, though, throughout, you know, kind of this whole ordeal with your husband being this way, you you manifest some pretty crazy shit. Right? Let’s talk about that. Like, let’s talk about how you, you know, you focused on what you mean, Tell, tell us how you manifested that stuff. And you did it and kind of squirt water and some pretty cool things to talk about.

Lindsey Garner 38:06
He? Well, so we’re both veterans, and he’s 100% disabled. So most of his health care goes to the VA. When he first got sick, that was what we were doing. We were going through the VA and the VA denied him care, he kept getting sicker, kept getting sicker, they couldn’t really figure it out. And we had to just kind of start and think, Okay, you know what, we got to go somewhere else like this isn’t gonna work. And so I recently did the The first thing anybody says with me, it’s like all call your congressman call your congressman. So we did all that, right. We’re like, Okay, here we go. Like, let’s do this. I don’t know anything about politics. But let me get started. I’m not very political. Um, so went that route, and I was on a walk one day, all my, all my best shit comes in, I’m walking that damn feral dog. And I love my dog, but he’s a mess. So we take a lot of walks, because he needs a lot. And we’re walking. And I was like, there has to be a place where he can get everything that he needs, mental, spiritual, physical. All of this, like it’s got to be a place. And that for me, I’m, I am a big believer in feeling how things feel in your body. And I do feel like that sounds right. There it is. And so instead of going to the VA, my first thing is I call my sister, my sister’s a doctor, and I’m like, maybe, you know, is this a thing like and she started giving me a couple places I could look and I just kept meditating on that. I was like, we’re gonna find a place that is going to be all encompassing, is going to follow him through to the end because the VA said, No, you we’re gonna send you to a nursing home. And my sister was like, he will die in that nursing home. He will not go out. It and during COVID he would have gone by himself, I wouldn’t have been able to be there.

Unknown Speaker 40:06
Yeah, and sure enough,

Lindsey Garner 40:08
people reached out for Mass General and said, Hey, we can take him on not only can we take him on, we can pay for pay for what the insurance doesn’t cover. And I was like, What? And then a friend of his created a GoFundMe, and it blew up and gave us enough to cover my travel costs to go back and forth and to pay for me to take time off work to be there. And I mean, I,

Brandon Handley 40:32
I want to I want to throw out there too, like, I mean, you also have a family and it’s not just you and your husband. Like, I think

Unknown Speaker 40:39
a teenage daughter

Brandon Handley 40:41
right so so you know, you got all that going on. And and it’s enough to you talked about, you know, being being a caregiver for this long period of time, and I chuckled to myself is like you know, for better for worse, but like, I mean, for like a half hour or a day maybe right? But you’ve got this you’ve got this whole year going on. And what I’m hearing yourself say those like you know, when you’re when you’re walking into golf is walks you you’re kind of tossing these questions to the universe, like you know, what we’re, you know, you know, feel and then you talk about feeling it and and one thing that I think is a male and and the United States Anyways, we’re taught not to feel a whole lot, right. But you know, dawns on me really like feeling really is you know, your thoughts and emotions, you know, your head and your heart coming together as one and doing kind of like a purposeful way. And sounds to me like you were feeling your way forward in a way that felt best. I hate to say like, follow your bliss, or when I say I’ll say follow your hunches. Are you familiar with Florence? scovel Shinn, huh? Yes, this is my jam, right? But you know, hunches or your house or heaven or something like that, again, it’s one of her things, right? So you’re following your hunches and you’re focused on the possible and then this just started happening?

Lindsey Garner 42:01
Yeah, it does. And my marriage counselor, anytime there was like a hiccup in our marriage, he’s like, Oh, there you go. You’re fast. manifester. What we think you out and I’m like, yeah, damn it. Yeah, that’s true. Um, yeah. And I don’t know like, you can say like, I could see right now like, I want to be a NASA or at NASA thing that thing anymore. I want to be an astronaut. That sounds really cool. Doesn’t land for me. It doesn’t I don’t get excited about it. I feel that and if I say on the other hand, like, I want to live in campgrounds one day because I love campground people. I love the lack of boundaries that exists in campgrounds.

Brandon Handley 42:48
nightmare.

Lindsey Garner 42:52
We’ve talked about it. I’m like, no, it’s great. Everybody like comes over eats your dinner. You they come into your house. They’re like, Can I see your camper? And you’re like, yeah, oh, yeah, you

Brandon Handley 43:02
get rid of the airstream. I’m so jealous.

Lindsey Garner 43:05
though nobody bought for keeping it. And me and Zach in RV can

Unknown Speaker 43:09
rent them out, by the way, right? You can rent them right?

Lindsey Garner 43:12
Well, I just don’t have time to manage it. I like

Brandon Handley 43:15
I’ll send you a link later. But you don’t have to do the management this kind of like an Airbnb forum.

Unknown Speaker 43:21
Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 43:23
Great. Anyways, I

Lindsey Garner 43:24
mean, we’re gonna keep it for our road trip this summer. So Lisa, my 15 year old daughter and two dogs are taking this little Airstream. We’re going,

Brandon Handley 43:33
Yeah, I love it. So standing naked in front of strangers, your blog, people should be going and checking it out. They’re going to find more of kind of what we’re talking about here. I’m going to ask you a couple of questions. And it’s going to be kind of like, we’re speed dating, right? We’re seriously right now. And woo Wayne. So why are so many people depressed?

Lindsey Garner 44:00
Don’t think they’re connected to who they are? think they’re connected what they think everyone wants them to be? feel like they’re faking it a lot faking It’s exhausting.

Brandon Handley 44:12
When you stay connected to who you are, like, what does that mean to you?

Lindsey Garner 44:18
Things showing up as what you think others expect of you instead of in a way that honors like why you know, you’ve been put here everyone has a purpose Everyone has their own path and like the more that we get connected to that and show up in that way.

Brandon Handley 44:37
So you would you would tell somebody to kind of try and fight figure out what the purpose is to start lean into it and that would lead them to kind of who they are.

Lindsey Garner 44:44
Yeah, and that doesn’t mean this like giant sexy thing. Like for me, I freakin love running a retail store, right? I used to think it needed to be this like, huge thing. I really get joy out of selling yoga pants. I love it.

Brandon Handley 44:56
And that’s awesome, right? And I think that that can be And it’s been tough for me to find that so tough for me to find that right? If I’m not doing if I’m not doing something a little heavier, right? Because if if, you know, going back to, if I feel like I’m in a room with people talking about stubby thighs, I don’t feel like I’m living my best life. Right? And so so like, how do you how do you get out of that? And there’s it sounds to me, like you found ways to focus on what you’re bringing into your life and to these people through the work that you do. That is driving your purpose and satisfaction, and it doesn’t have to be doesn’t have to be your shelter changing the world, right? So someone’s world,

Lindsey Garner 45:40
yeah, in my own little universe. And I think that that’s the way that’s the most accessible to everyone like it. I think sometimes, this idea of like our purpose, we make it this big thing. And then it seems so far that we don’t even take a step towards it. But like, if I can come into my store, say something kind to someone, they all say all of a sudden feel more comfortable in their skin, or they then repeat that that’s change, and you’ve made it in your own little microcosm, right.

Brandon Handley 46:08
But it’s also micro, right, you go back to the idea of stepping into your greatness. And sometimes that’s like, 1000 baby steps to get there. Yes, right. So these small, you’re right, like if we try to put this overarching sense of purpose, where it’s like this huge fuckin vision, right? Like, you know. And instead we say, you know, I think it’s okay to say that. This is my purpose for right now. Yeah. Are people out there? There are people out there who believe your purpose doesn’t change. Right. Um, but I think that there are instances of you know, about this purpose revision.

Lindsey Garner 46:52
I can tell you right now, 19 year old Lindsey that I don’t know what my Yeah, I don’t think it was the same. Right? Right. Talk about it.

Brandon Handley 47:01
Let’s let’s do you know, I love the idea that you you feel like you can connect with the divine at will that you are divine. That to me, would indicate that you’ve got an idea on kind of what heaven is and how to get there.

Lindsey Garner 47:18
afraid of death anymore, either, which is cool. Like I live recklessly, but I’m not afraid of death anymore. Because I just don’t view it. Like, I have a different relationship with planes of existence in time, you know that. I just don’t do it the same. Also meditation can we just all get the shit out of our head that you need to be sitting on a pillow with like, incense burning, and essential oils and mala, like, my best meditations in my car. I’m on lunch break.

Brandon Handley 47:49
I’m so glad to say I was doing it yesterday, like in the car. Like I was, like, you know what, and it was very comfortable. I had like my own jams going. Also sound therapy because like, I can turn that off. I can turn the volume up and says like, I can set like theta waves in the car, right? And I’m sitting in a theta situation. So yeah, what is heaven right to you, and how would you get there?

Lindsey Garner 48:15
I think it’s actually like, getting into a place. Where, okay, I’m going to describe this because my husband, I talk about this all the time. So we have two dogs. We have three dogs, but with an English bulldog. She’s 11 she’s kind of an asshole. She’s grumpy. She bites people. Then we have Bojangles He’s my dog. And he lives his life. Just like so fully. He’s so excited to see you. He is so curious and just in joy all the time. And I feel like shorty, that’s the grumpy asshole. She’s on her like, first life Bojangles be like on his 77th he’s had time to be like, Oh, don’t do that. Now, okay. And you learn and you learn and you learn and I honestly, I think that it’s it’s an ability to have what we would consider to be like, a life. That is that where you’re like, man, I am in this and I am Yeah, there’s hard things but like it’s okay. And you move through it. I really I think it’s more than that. And I don’t really think we have a concept of it. I think there’s a way I could describe it. But I think it’s like an ultimate sense of peace enjoy.

Brandon Handley 49:33
Yeah, I mean, so it sounds to me that you’re kind of living your life as it is and finding those moments of connection. Yeah, would be to you a little bit like having and yeah, are you are you saying then that new could have heaven here on earth and not like Belinda Carlisle song but slightly different.

Lindsey Garner 49:58
Oh, way to go. Good work, Belinda Carlisle. Yeah, I do think that, uh, now I want to sing it, but I don’t want that I don’t want that immortalized in the podcast. My teenage daughter would be like, what are you doing? I am mortified. Although right.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Now, that’s perfect. And I agree, I think that, um, I think that it is, and I think that it hasn’t closed. But I think that, you know, kind of, the more that you meditate, the more that you focus on it, the more that you make that your intent and your purpose to find in your life, you know, by pop in, you know, heavens, in my Google search engine, it’s a good chance that we’ll find it right, at least I can dig, I don’t know how many, how many O’s I’m gonna have to go through to find the one that I like. But, you know, if we put that into our search engines, then we have an opportunity to find it. So, so grateful, again, for you for free to pop on. I’ve enjoyed getting to know you a little bit more. Enjoy, you know, thank you for the conversations that we get to have online and thanks for the conversations that you have with with Meg, I know that you get to act as a as a translator, for what I’m saying. It’s true, because once he gets to translate what it is I’m saying the mag normal language. And it’s a challenge, right? Because I’m so immersed in it right and and, you know, as the idea of you become what you eat, right? And if all you’re taking in is this content, that’s all I can come out. And we get to I get to a point and I know that I’m not the best with it, but I sometimes I do forget, you know where I came from like this is I’ve always been connected to source.

Unknown Speaker 51:53
No.

Brandon Handley 51:55
No. The other day when you’re being asshole you weren’t connected? You’re totally not.

Lindsey Garner 52:00
Yeah, I really honest part of why I write is because I am terrible at communicating my husband. And if you got it helps a lot. He’s like,

Brandon Handley 52:09
I mean, that’s why we have 90% of our conversations on Facebook, right? Like, that’s where we catch up. She’ll come in and she’ll come in and let me know something’s going on. But yeah, I read that, like, two hours ago, we’re all caught up like, I’m on your feed from but so so again, very grateful for you coming on today. I’m glad that we got the chance to have this conversation. Where should I send people to go hang out with you? which defines

Lindsey Garner 52:33
Yeah, go read my blog. I think that’s a good way and then yeah, I mean, it’s it’s a it’s a baby blog, because they do it very much on the side and I would love one day to make that thing that is bigger and then I can do on a larger scale. So yeah, go and tell me what you want me to say and start a conversation I hate small talk. So yeah, just like drop some really awkward awesome deep shit in there my best day

Brandon Handley 53:00
when somebody so you’ve also got the chat function there, you know, outside of some deep shifts that you want some people to drop their what you know, what are some other things that somebody might feel reach out to you for?

Lindsey Garner 53:15
Anything that I read connects you in? You’re like, man, how did you do that? I’m not here to tell you like this was easy. It took me like 10 years to figure this shit out. But I can be a partner and a sounding board and nothing annoys me more than an advice giver. So I will not give you advice but there is face always face to just be where you are. And then maybe sometimes like a gentle nudge, be like okay, you’ve been where you are a little too long time. Let’s do this.

Unknown Speaker 53:41
Like right after you get the fuck out.

Lindsey Garner 53:43
Yeah, sir. I know a way.

Unknown Speaker 53:47
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, thank

Unknown Speaker 53:51
you.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
And welcome back to part two of chapter seven. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar Rao, and we are picking up where we left off. And that is the idea that it’s okay, that the tree is cooking. Right? So what happens? What do you do when the universe gives you something beautiful, yet unexpected? Do you know you take a look the rainbows and the trees and all the beautiful VISTAs and you say, Man, that would be that would be better if it was over here to the left, right? That Rainbow is missing a color? Or do you just kind of take it and accept it as beautiful and wonderful. He talks a little bit about the idea of, you know, here, here are some of our, here’s, here’s some of the other ideas here, as you know, you don’t see the world this, this line, right? I think is pretty, pretty impressive. And true, right? You don’t see the world as it is, you see it as you are. So the idea is, when something is good, like the rainbows and the trees and the beautiful VISTAs, you want more of it. And then when something shitty is happening, either you get a flat tire, you’re stuck in the rain, and it’s cold outside, and you can’t find the tire jack, that’s something that you just want it to end immediately. The funny thing is, is that both our form of clinging, right, both of these ideas of good or bad, wanting more or less of it, our sense of attachment, right? Which, as we all know, if we are falling long, anything that’s happening here, and especially you know, Buddhism, right, that that’s a form of suffering, you know, attachment leads to suffering. So if if you don’t just kind of accept it as it is, maybe that crooked tree, just see it, there’s really nothing that can be done about it, you just kind of recognize it and see that it is a crooked tree versus Ooh, that’d be a lot better. That was fixed, right? That type of thing. So the idea then, is that maybe what you don’t even realize what happiness is? And he posits that the idea is that happiness is and are the moments where you are free from want. How great would it be Oh, so those are the moments that you’re free from want. This is the moments I mean, and then I went back up to the top there, where there’s where there’s no pressure. Or if you don’t want any more than what you’ve already gotten, you’re content with what you’ve got, and you’re not afraid of losing anything. Right? Because that’s that’s a want as well, then, then you you’re happy here in a moment of that could be a moment of happiness is as it springs from acceptance of the universe as it is. Right. Which I think is pretty cool, too. And then the idea is there’s absence of constraints, right. But I still I think, I think the biggest part of this one, right? You don’t see. You don’t see the unit. You don’t see the world as it is you see it as you are. When you talk a little bit about this talks about he gives a little story about an alkali and a master. And how he’s like how the how the Aqua it’s like a dog with a bone. Right. And the idea is that even you know the dog is chewing on a bone and it’s cutting his mouth and the blood inside of his mouth makes them feel like there’s meat on that bone. And the dog keeps chewing on it because he feels like there’s meat on the bone. Right? Yeah, the idea is that he says here peace and contentment and joy seeker inside says master but you keep hunting for it on the outside the worldly things you pined for so desperately and collect so graciously wound you in some manner the bone cuts the dog same as the bone cuts the dog but you think pleasure you derive it from those objects that you’ve got, right? Like I said, so the things that you want are the things you’ve already got. So you cling to them so hard, but in reality, right at the things if if the things that you’re so afraid to let go of are making you upset, then who owns what right to the things around you or you get that you get the idea. So he says hey, you know, make changes by all means this next piece of the

chapter and talks about acceptance And how it’s it doesn’t mean that you just accept the things that are out there, you still go ahead and you fight the good fight, right, you’re still out there working to bring out something beneficial, that is better for everybody involved, that doesn’t mean that it doesn’t mean that you just accept everything that that’s out there, you’re still you’re still working, working for everything. uncouple your well being from the upshot, right? Even if the outcome is something, you’ve used the disasters, right, I think the idea that uncouple your well being from the upshot is that, you again, what you’re what you’re looking to do, and he says, you know, even if the outcome is something that you’ve used disasters, this is a learnable skill, right? If when you are working to bring out something that’s beneficial for all, if it doesn’t turn out, okay, then the idea is, you know, the the effort and the intent towards that was something to be a benefit. And the idea is, if you’re, if you can, like it says on couple of your well being from kind of the outcome, and you’re not emotionally involved, then you’re not going to be you’re not going to get upset, you’re just gonna understand and maybe take the lesson away from the objective outcome says, references, recent outnet recent email, guys, if you’re not on his email list to Sreekumar Rao email list, then then check it out. I forget specifically which one this is the email, but I think that it had to do with things that it had to do with I think it had to do with like, income and making money. And how is basically, our emotions are tied to some outcomes and how things are all working out. But um, again, I forget exactly what the email is get on his email list. And he get he gets out some pretty good emails, usually weekly. So again, if you don’t know how it’s going to working, you just give it your best before intentional intention, and benefits of all, you can rejoice once once it’s over, I’ve got kind of Henry Ford listed there as well. You know, his intention was to benefit all right, it wasn’t he had success, because he was trying to benefit all he could have made things more expensive, but he was looking to help the greater population, and not simply just himself, right. So this is the email, I think that it references more, so it will come if you don’t seek it. The idea is to do to do to do this is probably the best line from it, what you seek is within your grasp, but you can only reach it if you let go of what you’re clasping to so tightly and this kind of moves up into even the uncouple your well being from the upshot, right. So oftentimes, what we’re looking for is right in front of you. And your says here, you’re bound by the things I said, again, you’re bound by your emotion to the desired outcome. And you’re bound by the the, I would dare say call it the narrow vision of how you think it should turn out, and how it should work. But oftentimes, it’s already kind of working out right in front of you already. And you’re participating in it and it’s happening through you and for you and sometimes to you. But you don’t see what’s happening because you’ve got an emotional investment to an outcome that you’ve pictured working out in a certain way. But it will come if you don’t seek it to the to the to the let’s see what he’s got here. In this story times got a really good story. I love the story in here. Just basically about a basically about a king who runs in Osage Sage says hey, he, the king sees that he Sage is super wise. And he wants to Sage to come and teach him the way you know, wisdom of his ways. comes in and sage says Hey, I’ll come in and I’ll I’ll do it. But you’ve got to give me everything I’ll ask for without getting, you know, freaking out at me. And you essentially it gets to a point where Sage does something so that the king gets pissed off and he flies off the handle and stays like alright, I’m out. Right and then the idea is

Sage says he’s out he rolls out. And he the cane says no, no, please stay and the king and the sage says, Look, man, I told you, you know, I was gonna roll out and here Here’s the deal, I do have something to share with you walk with me for a while, like a week or so as, as I roll out, and I’ll share a couple things with you. And what he does is he ends up sharing with them that that, that the sage was still happy, regardless of whether or not he had the things that he had, he was happy when he was the sage with nothing, and he was happy when he had everything as a king. And then he was just as easy to roll out of the kingdom. And, and go back to what it was, and have what he had he was he was happy, and content with the life that he had, whether it was with seemingly little or everything. And the idea to is if it will come if you don’t seek it is like the idea it will just come right. Play that like a cat, right or a dog. And you know, as soon as you turn away, it just kind of comes up on you. Right? So exercise list your accomplishment, go ahead and go through, I think that’s pretty self explanatory. Do that. And then he’s got the exercise corollary, this was one that’s still a challenge for me to do, and actually did a little bit of it on an Instagram story, did a little bit of dancing, right. But the idea is, what is something that you truly enjoy something that really brings you joy. And it doesn’t, it’s not directly aligned to anything, right? It’s not directly aligned to like, like, for example, personal growth is not aligned to doing anything better. It’s simply aligned to you feeling good and enjoying life. Right. And the idea is that, do it right now, don’t stop, stop and wait, and then be grateful for that opportunity to do it. Let’s see here. And then yet and then do it now, give thanks to the universe for allowing you the time to do it. And by the law of increase. Right, which we talked about it at some point. And of course, we know the universe is a force multiplier, by the law of increase, more of those moments will appear in your life. The other exercise is dropping destructive habits. Bob last really quick, note the damage being done by your behavior. And this is something that you can work with your kids, if you’ve got children right recommend same thing. Recognize that you are not a behavior or therefore err, go when you’re talking with your kids separate their behavior from them, right. Don’t beat yourself up again, with children don’t beat them up, though separate them from from the behavior. Admit that you have some bad habits, simply be aware of when you’re working on those habits. And when those are being triggered. And then just anytime you bring awareness to anything and you recognize it, you begin to you begin to you begin to kind of lessen it, you begin to do it less because you’re you’re intentional. Your intent is to drop those destructive behaviors, it’s got a pretty cool exercise too along the way. Breathe in Golden strength, giving light. He says also go into witness mode at this point, you know, so breathing golden strength, giving light and breathe out negative emotions that in the visual is leaving your body in a dark stream. I personally still have a challenge with this one. I’d like to breathe in Golden strength giving light and breathe more of it out. And more of like a filtration system. Right. So I could I certainly I don’t want to I don’t want to. I don’t want to put any negative energy out there, I guess is my challenge. Sure. I’ll get over it. Let’s see. And then finally, the exercise of your ideal life. We’ll let this one run a little long. Understand that your ideal job doesn’t currently exist? Are you quite literally as co creators with the universe you have to create it? And then really the idea is how can you do something or achieve something or find something? If you don’t know what it is just spending some time writing down and writing out what your the vision of your ideal job is.

You will have better chance of succeeding. If you clearly know what it is you’re trying to do. Right? So so many people do this The one person that comes to mind each time I think about this is Darren Hardy when he talks about his ideal, his ideal life partner, right, his wife, and how he would write about her, like, all the time and like, coming into his life and what she would be like, and what kind of why should we be. And eventually, at some point, he found exactly those things I can tell you to off my own personal experience, each time I go through this exercise, I see pieces of it come through in my life. And And the thing is, you’re essentially just kind of tuning your, your algorithm, and you and your spirit and your whatever, to get aligned to it to recognize it. I’ve taken all the questions that he’s got here that are prompts to do this exercise. And I posted them on spiritual dope, I’ll post them on this podcast as well. So you can go it’s on jotform. But I put it on side of spiritual dope. So you can go you can you can put your you can answer the questions, you and you write it out as if it’s happening right now as if it is present tense. And you just follow the prompts and right through it, and I’ve made it so that you can save it as you go along. Because it’s pretty long. I’ve also made it so that you can send it to yourself, and and you’ve got a copy of it. helpful hints. I’ve got written down here, just fucking do it, right. And if you’ve got writer’s block, just sit down and start writing don’t don’t on there’s nobody’s judging you. Except for you. This is yours, your own your very own on the end. Also, you should be doing this one time every four to six months, refining it, right, getting better at this and tightening it up. Again, just getting getting more clarity on your vision, getting more clarity on the job that you are creating. And you know, I love it because we realize this isn’t going to happen. Immediately. This he says it’s your life’s task to assemble all the pieces and the idea is that it truly Could take the rest of your life and that’s okay. Right is the ideal, your ideal job. And if it takes you a lifetime to create it I don’t know if there’s a kind of a more walk well, I mean, are more worthy endeavors and what you’re doing those inclusively making your life as good as you can make it by having a job or the work that you do that is corresponding to all of your life’s ideals, I suppose, if you want so that is God that’s gonna close it down for you on Chapter Chapter Seven of Are you ready to succeed? I circumaural we’ve only got two more chapters left. They are you know, I think that pretty potent. Chapter Eight is actually pretty short. Doesn’t mean there’s not a lot packed into it. If you’ve enjoyed it so far reach out to me let me know your thoughts. love to know which you know, you tried out and use exercises and maybe you run out and grab the book for yourself I know that I’ve I this is one of the books that I’ve sent out many times too many different people and always happy to have a conversation about it’s Matter of fact I’m just about done having a conversation with somebody else around the book. And she and I just have had a discussion right now what are the what’s what’s the impact been on her was impacted on me through reading this book? Have you done the exercises so you know, we we kind of hold each other accountable to actually going and doing the things that’s where the true value comes from the true value isn’t reading these things and being able to spout it out or even just sharing out this conversation the way that I have and with you the true value of this comes from actually doing the work. Alright. Take it easy. We’ve got plenty of other podcasts coming your way. I will also be saving my mind map right What am I use an X mine the way I mapped these out and I’ve got the nodes. These are also videos created as I do the podcast. So

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here at voice of generation, we are going through chapter four of Are you ready to succeed by Sreekumar Rao, it’s been a minute, but uh, you know, I was actually having a conversation with somebody else who’s gone through this book with me this round. And this isn’t one of those things where you’re trying to blast through it, right? You’re not trying to, you’re not trying to blast through life or, you know, same same concept of trying to enjoy life relish life and just experience it. So, in that, in that regard, that’s what I’m doing with this book. If I’m not able to do some of the exercises, to the degree that I’m satisfied with personally, and not even to the degree that I am beating myself up, but to a degree that I just want to make sure that I have done some of these exercises and that I am happy with my results personally, right. So not a rush to get through them. Not a rush to get through life, right? Want to be able to relish and enjoy it. So we are on chapter number four. And chapter number four is you can’t kill it. And it won’t shut up. The witness is your salvation, right? That’s the name of the chapter. And this one, to me. This was a little sneaky, sneaky, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you about it kind of when we when we get away is not the chapters naked. So the next one, this one’s still sneaky. This one’s thinking. And I’ll tell you right now, too. I went through this book, Chapter maybe maybe a few weeks ago, a couple weeks ago. And what I found was super interesting was the idea that there was stuff that was redoing when I was coming back and going through the chapter, again, taking notes and building out the map. There was new stuff, there was stuff that I didn’t see before already, again, and it only been a couple weeks. So let’s jump into it. We’re going to be talking a little bit about the mental models again, right. And the idea is that your personal reality is kind of it’s between your two years, right. And the idea is that most of these models that have come through into your life that you’ve accepted, they’ve been accepted without questioning. I think that the idea is that sometimes an authority figure will toss something out there into your into your life, or television show that you watch or a series or something, that over time, regardless of whether or not you’re doing it on purpose, you have developed this you’ve accepted these mental models, right, they’ve just been pounded into your head over and over again, that they’re stuck there. Right. And these day, create your reality. Remember, it is a reality, not the reality. And, and or at least your perception of it. He does illustrate this with a pretty cool story, basically, you know, and this could happen to you anywhere, anytime, yourself with, you know, let’s just pretend that any surprise birthday party, right, that made the first couple of times that you’ve gone through one, at least I recall getting through one. And you know, I thought people were doing something behind my back, or maybe the party wasn’t going to happen or whatever. You know, I think we all go through this. And if not, I say that just because I want to be alone. But, you know, I still remember, maybe a birthday party doesn’t happen for you. And you’re like, Man, what did everybody forget? And then next thing, oh, there’s this big ol surprise party and you’re like, Man, that’s so cool. They did that. But like there’s this big, long period of time where you’re all worried and concerned. And and the idea is, you know, it doesn’t matter whether or not it’s true or not. What matters are the actions that you take, based upon what you believe, you know, so, so what? So there’s a line that, you know, that’s not what you know, that is not true. What you know, I don’t know, there’s a, I think there’s some Shakespeare line or whatever. But the deal is like, what you think, you know, is really what you act on. Doesn’t matter whether or not that’s true. And that happens in a lot of different places. And sometimes when you act on those things that you believe to be true. You can make a complete ass out of yourself, right? You can make a complete ass out of yourself. He also talks about the I love this idea that you manufacture, emotion to external stimuli, right? This isn’t new to you. And this will also happen to when you’re watching a movie.

You know, so if you’re watching any movie and you can see you know something’s happening on the screen and and it’s a love scene you feel good she it’s a heart touching scene, they call the heart touching scene for a reason, right? They make you feel this emotion. The thing is that you remind yourself during that period of time, that you’re watching a movie, like, gosh, if this isn’t real, it’s cool, man. Cool. The thing is your personal reality, the reality that you create in your mind during the day, when it’s not a true movie, it’s not much different than a movie, right? Your your perception of what you go on is going on around you. The thing is, you believe you’re in your reality, your realities, it’s got, it’s got emotion, it’s got, you know, it’s got these, it’s like the longest running series, right of your life, because it’s been going on your entire life. And you allow for your emotions to dictate your reactions instead of instead, just like, you don’t recognize that you have this ability to hold your emotions in check, just like when you’re watching a movie.

Unknown Speaker 6:09
Right?

Brandon Handley 6:11
But it’s just, it’s the same thing. You can, you can almost, almost invariably just watch yourself in a scene as it is playing out in real life. And if you could hold off for just one second, if you can offer just one second before you react. You can save like, you can save yourself a ton of ton of time and effort. Because then you don’t react to the new remind yourself, you’re like, Oh, shit, this is in my mind. You know, maybe that’s not exactly what’s happening. Maybe I’ll shut up for a second and just let it play out. Right? Maybe, maybe there’s not a ghost in the closet with Scooby and Shaggy. Yeah, right. Maybe there’s they’re eating a sandwich, who knows what’s happening. So does reality work for you, you’ve got to, you know, maybe, maybe go through and reflect on your ideal reality exercise that you could have done earlier. And if you didn’t, you know, go check it check out doing the ideal life exercise. And if you can’t find it in the book, feel free to reach out to me, I’ll be happy to provide you with one. If you did the exercise, have you already created zero does your ideal life exists for you? Right now, today? If so, great, you’re down here, congratulations. Call me. I’d like to know how you got there. But if you are like the rest of us, if you are like the rest of us, most of us most of I mean, I don’t have a stat here. But you are massively dissatisfied with the life with the reality that you’ve created between your ears, you are concerned with what others are thinking of you, you’re always thinking of ways to win them over. And you you’re attempting to try to climb the corporate ladder, or maybe be successful in some other way. Maybe it’s not the corporate ladder, specifically that you’re trying to climb, but you’re always, you know, trying to impress somebody or you know, make it to the next level play. It’s always like level up. And each rung of that ladder that you’re trying to climb up and down, or each level that you get get higher up into each one brings maybe a little bit of joy, like I made it, but then then it just it goes away, right? Let’s just say it’s like a quick hit. And easily, you plateau, like almost immediately. You have frantic actions, do you want to hold on to the things that you’ve got? While you’re trying to get more, right? You don’t want to lose anything, but you want more. And, and often this leads to, you know, dropping balls. And you know, lots lots of frustration can happen there. And at some point, some point, this one just knows that every time I read this, you get through reading how all this is you’re, you’re doing this, and he gets up to a point, you realize that there is a song within you. And you don’t know how to get it out. You don’t know how to get it out. You realize there’s a song within you and he don’t know how to get it out. Each time I read that each time it’s like a severe impact because it’s so true. So true. And and you know, look, I’ve had multiple conversations recently where all of us so many of us have been directed in what to do that we get to that point. And we realize that we’ve been directed what’s doing and we want to claim our lives as our own. Right, recognize that we have this capability. And we recognize that there is a song that we want to sing We want to let it out and where we’re at right now. It’s not. It’s it’s not conducive, right? It’s not. There are people around or like don’t saying, I know, it’s like the song metaphor, but your song can be anything, right? It’s a, it’s an artwork, it’s a way that you feel it’s how you live your life. So, I’ll get to the next piece here. So he goes, uh, by golly, I’ll stop that mental chatter. So that’s all the stuff that’s gone in your ears, right? You’re still trying to climb, climb this corporate wrong. You’re beating yourself up, you’re trying to, you know, you’re trying to impress others so that you can get to where they told you that you want to be. Right? And, and, and so that they’ll give you permission to be great, right? And so you’re like, hey, look, I’ll just, I’ll just stop that mental chatter. I’ll just stop it. I’ll get rid of it. And the deal is that you may try and you will inevitably, you know, you, you and evitable bleed, you will find that you cannot, you will find that you cannot stop that mental chatter. You cannot stop that voice of judgment that’s always beating you up. And

we’re just judgment. It doesn’t always have to be beating you up, like we talked about before, it could be saying something positive, the likelihood of the positive voice judgment is less likely than then most others. But the deal is right, what will happen when you attempt to put an end to the mental chatter? Well, what happens when he gives anything some energy I wrote down here, remember, the Gremlins don’t feed those Fockers after midnight look, because they turn into monsters, you feed those you feed those things. The any energy, anything you give to energy is simply going to grow. Right. So don’t feed those fuckers after midnight. Because they’re Gremlins just in your mind. So he’s got an idea here that he talks about. Imagine a wild horse that is running in a field. Sometimes it’s standing there peacefully. But what happens if you go out and you try to mount that horse, chances are, it’s going to buck and throw you off. And honestly, I’ve experienced this. Remember, I was about 10 years old out in a ranch in California, and hopped on the back of a horse and, and didn’t necessarily bucked me off. But it didn’t didn’t really follow my every women command. And there was a gentleman right another horse in front of me who the horse thought that he was on it, it lost control, right and it took off running with him, ran him into a tree branch, I saw that guy get thrown off the back of the tree on bounce and I’m sitting I’m like 10, or 11 I forget was like holy shit. And I had two things happening. In my mind, I was like, I hope nobody hears me swearing. Because my you know, my family was watching from a distance as as I was riding this horse, and I was like, I don’t want to be the one that gets, I don’t want to get knocked off the horse that way. So I pushed myself off the back of that horse and smashed my face into the ground. And I, you know, I survived the incident. But, you know, when you get on something that’s running full bore, with all that energy as a good chance that you’re gonna get knocked off knocked over or it’s just gonna take off without without any control and go to a place where you you don’t want to be. So I’m going to clip this one here and we’ll clip on this one, this one, there’s quite a bit of information in this in chapter four. So click here and come back in just a sec, or when you need to be and we’ll continue

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Jean Walters is Amazing on this Episode

Stop in and check out the conversation that Jean & I had reviewing her recent book “The Journey From Anxiety to Peace: Practical Steps to Handle Fear, Embrace Struggle, and Eliminate Worry to Become Happy and Free”.

 Jean Walters is a Saint Louis based teacher of self-empowerment principles for over thirty years.  She has studied metaphysics extensively and applies univeral principles to every area of her life. 

Jean’s mission is to guide people to the Light – to encourage, instruct, and assist others to live freely and express from their Highest Selves.  Jean is an Amazon Best Selling Author.

She has been listed in Who’s Who over 30 times.

Connect with Jean over at https://spiritualtransformation.com/

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in their thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. I for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with Jean Walters. She’s the author of the journey from anxiety to peace, practical steps to handle fear, embrace, struggle and eliminate worry to become happy and free. Now Jean has written a large number of other books and has you know, she’s been at the forefront in this movement for personal transformation, clarity and truth for over 40 years through her writings, consulting coaching and Akashic Record readings, which we got to talk about for people all over the world. She’s been a consistent source of light, clarity and inspiration, she’s intention and commitment to deepest truth have brought her to share her wisdom and guidance to 10s of 1000s of clients and students as the leading authority on metaphysics, she promotes deep spiritual connection and enlightenment. She’s authored articles and columns and major newspapers and magazines all over the United States, and is a best selling author on amazon.com. There’s quite a bit more here, which will be part of the post. But your overall mission gene is to lead people to light to encourage, guide and assist others to live freely and express from their highest selves. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 1:52
thank you, instead.

Brandon Handley 1:55
Thank you. Thank you, and thank you for being on today really looking forward to the conversation happened for a little bit here. Now, one of the things that we touched on there, see Akashic Record reading, and I think it’s gonna play really well into how I like to open these up. And that is, there’s somebody who is listening to this podcast today. And as you and I are designed more as like these vessels for energy to speak through, right? What is that message that somebody needs to hear from you today? That’s kind of sources speaking through you,

Jeane Walters 2:30
you know what, as we talk, they’re going to find their message. So we’ll probably cover a range of topics and ideas through this podcast, but something’s going to stand out to each person that listens, that at the end of every class, I say to this, who is what was it that stood out to you tonight, and they always have something and the point of it is, is that you’re going to hear something different than maybe I do, but it’s going to resonate to exactly where we are in life. And that always works. It’s, it always works because spirit is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and it’s always there, we’re in it, we’re above it, we’re living in it, we’re breathing it. And so we’re constantly being guided every single day to what it is that we need to understand, change, let go of move forward with the opportunities are there. So somebody I what you really, I hope people will email you and say, Hey, this is what I heard. That would be wonderful for you. And then you’re pass that on to me. And we’ll both we’ll both celebrate. How’s that?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely. I love that. Right? That says nothing better than somebody reaching out to you and letting you know how you’ve impacted them. Yes. And And to your point, you never know what is they’re going to hear or receive. And they come back with some of the kind of uncanny things like, wow, okay, I didn’t hear that in the conversation. But I’m glad you did.

Jeane Walters 3:52
And people call me like, 40 years later and go, you said this, and it changed my whole world. And I went, Oh, well, that’s cool. I don’t remember saying it sounds like something I would say.

Unknown Speaker 4:05
Sure.

Jeane Walters 4:06
It’s always thrilling when that I get that kind of feedback.

Brandon Handley 4:09
That is absolutely. So let me let’s talk a second about how you found yourself in this space to begin with. And I love the listeners to understand that and a lot of us, myself included, I mean, I’m probably three or four years into this kind of journey myself. So I’m super curious to hear how you came into it and how you stuck with it and what that’s done for you.

Jeane Walters 4:29
Yes, well, I had the opportunity to grow up with a very fear based mother and so she was a constantly worried constantly anxious and pretty much a wreck and today we would probably have diagnosed or medicated her and you know, so forth. But back then we didn’t do any of that stuff. But she was she was everything I read accuse her that you could make a hangnail into cancer, you know, because everything was just disastrous. So I I didn’t like it and I was constantly talking trying to talk Come out of it. And I was trying, I was pointing out things that she could be happy about all the time. And so we were fighting, and we were, we were like on opposite ends of things. But the thing that occurred to me is that I’m going to find another way, I’m going to find another way. In fact, I’m going to eliminate worry from my life. And, and that’s exactly what my journey was started. You know, I started reading and studying and finding ways and this was before you heard about meditation, and now it’s rampant. But this was before that, and I did, I went into some metaphysics classes, I learned to meditate. I read the Bhagavad Gita, I read the life of masters of the Far East, I just gobbled it up. And but the thing is that I learned how to practice it, because I have a very practical side to me where I don’t want to just hear about it. And I don’t want to read about it, I want to do it. So that’s how it moved me forward into a different kind of lifestyle. So I can say that I have eliminated worry from life, because I see that there’s another way to be, you can get above the things that are going on, and you can look at it from another dimension, and you can get your answers that way. But when people Meyer themselves, and I mean, that’s the right word, Meyer themselves into trauma and drama, and so forth, all they can see is more trauma and drama. And that’s what was going on with my mother. So she was unable, she was unwilling, I think, in many ways, she was unwilling to actually look at life from another point of view. But I at the very end, she was she actually thanked me and was very respectful, which I thought was pretty amazing. For someone like that, you know, it I I saw her anxiety affecting her health, and I really knew that it was affecting all of us as a family. So anyway, I don’t know, I think, I think that was a gift in many ways, because it really motivated me to look beyond to find other ways to dealing with life. And there are answers everywhere. I mean, Jesus gave us a lot of answers. So did Buddha, and probably every other master that we could study, you know, they all had the same kind of answers to help us though.

Brandon Handley 7:14
I love it. Um, it you know, when you when you say it like that the the idea, even like we already said is that, you know, you’ve got Buddha, you got Jesus, and they’ve got their, you know, they’re their kind of doctrine, if you will, or at least knowledge that then wisdom that they passed on. But each person is kind of going to have a different approach to that. And they’re only going to be able to hear maybe so much from from one of those. So you need, I think you need all those different flavors, if you will, so that everybody’s able to kind of come at it from a different direction.

Jeane Walters 7:45
Well, they were kind of like the finger pointing in the direction, basically, I don’t think they were here to be worship. In fact, I don’t I know for a fact that they did not, that was never their intention, but they pointed the finger in a direction and the direction is really self mastery. So that’s, you know, basically what I’m getting to more in this book is how to manage how to take control of your own mind. because your mind is the part of you that creates your experience. And if we’re constantly looking at what if this, and what of that and what I should be afraid of today, then we’re gonna constantly be creating, you know, an experience of fear and drama and pain and suffering, which is unnecessary. But we have but is it by discipline, because we have been surrounded with all kinds of negative messages. I mean, just all you have to do is turn on the TV for five minutes, and you’ve got a half a dozen right there. So we have to choose very carefully who we allow in our life, what kind of activities we partake in how we choose to look at these things. And you know, it’s like, I think you and I were talking a little bit earlier that an opportunity can show up or, you know, to meet a certain person or to try a new experience, what I’ve learned to do is listen to my intuition and go, is this something I need to do? Is this some business, right? And when it clicks, as I say, what sort of clips then I move forward with it. And I think anybody can do that. It’s not magic or anything, but we have to train our minds so that we’re actually receptive. Also, people tend not to create goals, they don’t decide this is, like I said, early, you know, I want to learn away so worries, not even part of my life. And I so that was a focus. And because of that focus, I took all the steps to move in that direction. It didn’t happen overnight. But I learned and I think that’s the thing that people have to understand is that this is not this is not like a lightning strike that hits you and all of a sudden you’re aware, but but it’s a matter of steps because we we have to in many ways we have to move beyond the the ideas and beliefs that we were taught you know, I that’s a big thing that I do is I help people recognize where they got stuck, what kind of belief they bought into that has kind of in many ways messed up their life. And unworthiness is a universal thing. You know, and they base it on the craziest stuff, you know, be I’m unworthy just because I must be because that’s what I was taught. That’s silly.

Brandon Handley 10:24
Yeah, like that. I mean, you talked about one in the book to the, the, he talks about kind of putting yourself not first, right, because, you know, some of you are maybe smarter or raver come to answers ahead of others. So you learned a lesson, you thought the lesson then was, hey, I need to hold back and let the rest of the group catch up. You want to talk about that for a second, and maybe how you broke through that one?

Jeane Walters 10:48
Here. Yeah, that was a very powerful remembrance that I had. And it was only a few years ago, I remember that. And then it kind of made sense to me how I had been conducting my life. But I’m a twin. And my twin sister was always a little bit behind on certain things like math and things like that. And so I was constantly like, you know, Gene, teach Jane, you know, Gene, she doesn’t get it work with her. And so I learned how to be a teacher early in life. But one day, my mother, my sister, and I, and we were together with our third grade teacher. And she said to my mom, Jean is ahead of the class, and she could skip the next grade. But Jane is with the class and she’s right where she needs to be. So I think you should hold Jean back, because it would embarrass Jane. So think about all the messages that were there, you know, the message is, Jane’s embarrassment is way more important than jeans moving where she needs to be. And, and so I was basically taught to be ahead, or to be in some way smarter, was not the thing that was going to be honored, what was going to be honored. And this was definitely honored and my family, the poor, the victim, the poor, poor me person, that was the one that got the attention. So I disengaged early in life and became very independent. Because I saw this phenomena I saw really that you know, and I would even try to talk her out of it. Now I can change, you can do this, of course, you can do this. So later in life, I realized, oh my gosh, that’s a phenomena that has taken hold in my life like I hold back, because I know the answer, but they don’t. So I’ll wait. And I and I have done that I did that. It really made me very mad, which was a good thing. Because I was I wasn’t mad at myself for buying into it. But of course, I was a kid at the time. And I think some of the people in your audience are going to this is going to resonate to them, I really do believe. But at the same time, I thought no more. I’m never holding back again. And so that became my credo from there that point forward is like, if I feel an urge to take a trip, or learn a new subject, or speak in front of crowds, or whatever, doing it, I’m doing it. And even if it scares the crap out of me, I’m going to go do it anyway. In fact, I’m going to do it twice as hard.

Brandon Handley 13:16
Yeah, one of the things that I heard another two is a, Your Honor, anger almost a little bit, right, you had this energy. Yeah, this is something that recently for me, had always been dismissive, kind of, of like, my anger or whatever. And more to your point, like when you grow up, you know, you, your parents be like, Well, you can’t be mad at this. Can’t be mad at that. So it’s like a kind of a depression, right? Well, I guess I won’t be angry at this, and I won’t be angry and mad the other day, and, and it was a, I just held it for a minute. I was like, You know what, that’s I’m just angry. And that’s okay. You know what, that’s that’s what that emotion is that I’m feeling. And you could take it from there and redirect it right. And, you know, kind of redirect that energy. But there’s no sense in not acknowledging it for what it is to open this other door for you. Right, that, you know, that anger, that frustration when you found it and acknowledged it opened a new door for you?

Jeane Walters 14:09
Yes, it did. And also, the other thing I would urge people to do is when they feel that anger to ask themselves some questions, what am I really angry about? Because I can say I’m angry at my teacher, I’m angry at my mom, I’m angry at my sister. But really, it was me that took on the message and said, Okay, now you have to hold back. They didn’t say it. I just said it to myself. And that’s what happens with most people. They take something and then they internalize it and make it about themselves. You know, and though that’s so those are some of the things we’re in what I work with someone I can catch that and go, this is what I heard you saying this is where you’re telling yourself you can’t move forward. Right? And when a lot of times when they just see it, it’s like whammo, you know, like for me, it was a breakthrough. And, and for them, it could be a breakthrough. too, so we have a lot of breakthroughs in life if we learn to use them. I don’t think anger is bad. I think it’s really hard on you if you live in anger.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Sure, sure. I mean, again, like SOS It was a I’ve been dismissive of anger, right? And kind of like I had like, a wall off from from accepting or acknowledging the emotion versus Okay, that’s anger, you know, to your point. Where’s that coming from? Why am I feeling it? Am I angry at me? Or the situation? Right, you know, just don’t even pretend.

Jeane Walters 15:32
What do I believe that I’m angry about? Sure.

Brandon Handley 15:34
Yeah, I mean, because the opportunity to kind of take one step back away from it. And I love that you kind of talked about this in the book, tuners, a.

Jeane Walters 15:42
angers powerful. Yeah, it’s very powerful. And I what I notice about anger is we people get angry, when it’s time to take a step forward. Anger is like something that serves you, if you use the power of it to move forward. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 15:58
yes, it’s making me think it’s making me think of the thrust of wings, right? Like, you’re right. I’m just gonna get every lift off out of here. So

Unknown Speaker 16:07
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Brandon Handley 16:09
I like that, too. So and one of the things that to anxiety that your book is kind of covering anxiety, right, how to go from anxiety to another. And, and one of the ideas that struck me, and I’m not sure if this is true, like you are not on anxiety, but like, to me anxiety is kind of like this energy source and not being able to direct it right, appropriately. And, and so you’re just kind of like, ooh, what do I do with all this, and then having no internal or external appropriate, quote, unquote, direction causes this, this anxious thing happens, that makes sense,

Jeane Walters 16:42
oftentimes, is being in it, whatever the in it is, you know. But one, one thing I would say, and I say, to give you an immediate change, is if you’re sitting, then get up, or if you’re inside, go outside, whatever you’re doing, stop that and do something different. Just shift it, shift the energy, and just like that, you’ll get some relief. But once you like, let go of what you’re doing and where you’re at, then you can actually move your mind to a higher place, like imagine that you’re sitting on top of a mountain, and you’re looking down at the problem, whatever you think the problem is, and you’re just sitting there observing it, without any feeling, just watching it, your mind will now be open to some other ways of dealing with some possibilities will come through. But we have to shift our mind to get out of that mindset first, you know, and most of the time, we’re anxious because we’re feeling helpless, or it but the truth of the matter is, you’re you’re never really helpless. You, you can always do something different. You know, even if it’s like, stop everything, go to the gym for a while or just get outside and take a short walk five minutes, you’ll come back, you’ll you’ll be have a new fresh mind, your mind will always channel your answers, if you discipline your mind to be able to do that. Do you want to talk about that?

Brandon Handley 18:07
Yeah, I do. So I think he talks about it in the book too, right? And I’ll give you just my perspective. And see we’ll play off of that if that’s okay, you know, just kind of, you know, your, your your consciousness, like what we’re eminently aware of, like, I can see you You can see me we can hear this conversation, but the, to leverage it as kind of a filter as to kind of what you accept, assess like the, we’ll call it the 5%. Right? That’s my active brain. And then my subconscious is the rest of my brain like another 95% of there’s like, this is the thing that breeds my breath, does my blood draws my hair knows, I don’t know how to do any of that. But I’m doing it right. So once I realized I’m doing all these super powerful things already, I’m like, Well, why don’t I toss this question that like this 5% of like, my brain does, like, there’s a squirrel type stuff, right? I’m like, Alright, well, I tossed you know, the the one that’s got the capability to breed the breath and do all these things. I’m going to toss the I’m gonna toss the question to that. Yeah. And, and, and just walk away? Because I don’t know that I mean, so how is your approach similar? Where would you you know, I’m sure yours is different. But I’m just curious. So

Jeane Walters 19:20
no, I love that. But because it’s like getting into the not knowing is what I call it getting into not knowing is powerful. And the reason it’s powerful is because we open our mind to the field that knows, but we can’t open our mind to the field that knows, as long as we’re going, Well, I know what I have to do. And I’m going to do this and I’m going to do that. And this is way we’ve always done it and so forth. And all we’re doing was is on the dribble. We’ll go around it. Yeah. So if you take if you go to not knowing and go, I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know it. I just think there’s tremendous power in that. My method is to meditate and so basically What I’m doing is going into my 5%, as you would call it into my Viber set and just yielding to it, and allowing myself to just live in that spaciousness, because it’s very spacious. And to just be there, and whether if I have a question, okay, but sometimes I just go, there could be in the spaciousness, what it does is condition, your mind that it conditions your mind, and your mind is way bigger than your brain, by the way. But I know you know that. It conditions you to be able to live in this spaciousness all the time. So a lot of people don’t understand it, because it’s very nebulous. I mean, there’s not a forum to it, you know, and we like to have forms to everything. But anyway, once we learn to practice that, you’ll notice that people who meditate regularly are calmer, they don’t tend to be reactive, so much. They’re just they just healthier, because the blood pressure goes down. I mean, all of this been documented. But I love your idea about, go to the 5%. And just listen to that for a while. When you meditate. After a while your intuition gets stronger and stronger. We all have intuition everybody does, but it gets stronger, stronger to where you’re really learning how to listen to it all.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Thank you. And then you know, kind of the idea of, you know, what you focus on, right? I mean, that’s the other thing too, right? If you focus on that victimhood, you know what happens, right, and then how I weigh it, let’s talk a little bit about that. And maybe how you’ve gotten some clients to shift?

Jeane Walters 21:32
Well, first of all, you have to point it out to them. And, you know, if they’re real attached to it, they don’t like it. If you put it, but but you know, I feel like my job is my job. And if they come here, then they’re ready for me. So you have to point out that Oh, my gosh, you sound very much like a victim, you know, like, and you’re letting this person run you. And I pointed out a lot, you know, I mean, people do it. Like you’re letting the news run you right now and you’re letting the politics and what everybody’s saying run you I had a little girl in here. She’s 18 very cute. And she said, I asked her a question about how do you feel about that? And she said, Well, I I have to I have to talk to my friends. And I go, No, no, no, no, I don’t want to consensus. I only want to hear what you have to say about it. What do you feel? And she was like a deer in the headlight. She She was so not used to just coming from our own heart. But when I said, No, wait, just tell me what you think she did. And she was so clear and so perfect. And I was hoping that that was the moment she walked away with that, that she doesn’t need a consensus to figure out what she what she feels. So but I think that’s kind of typical. I hear it a lot like, well, so and so said this, and so and so said that I went and what are their credentials now?

Brandon Handley 22:51
Yeah, I mean, you know, look, we’ve been, we’ve been conditioned to look for others for answers all the time, right? School, go through school. Everybody else in front of us got the answers. Yeah, you’re at home, you know, your parents have the answers for what’s best for you. And even as a parent, right, like, I realized, I don’t have the best answers for my own children. Right, like, but that’s how we grew up. Right. That’s kind of how we grew up. I think that I’d be curious on your take, too. Are you seeing from you know, you’ve been you’ve been at this for a little bit now. Are you seeing a pickup, a rise in consciousness and awareness? I like to I like the word awareness, I think more Are you seeing present arise?

Jeane Walters 23:33
I do. I think this whole time period that we’re in right now is chaotic, but the thing about it is, is we’re moving as a whole quantum field, we’re moving into a different part of our growth, we’re changing from a very masculine, you know, very aggressive kind of energy into a calmer, more nurturing energy. And it’s kind of a mess. I mean, we’re, we’re moving from one to the other. We’re not in one completely. We’re not in the other completely. So it’s kind of mixed up right now. But but it’s all moving. And if we look around we go. There’s people being very kind. There’s people. Here’s something I hear all the time, I’m simplifying my life, I’m simplifying my life, I’m giving everything away. You know, I don’t want to have all this stuff anymore. And I think that’s a sign that’s a sign and I’m here at least every day, that people are just moving into a simpler energy. They don’t want to be cluttered anymore. Yeah, they don’t want to be owned by the what they own found out

Brandon Handley 24:33
that I mean, because he owned you, and the things that you have basically own you right and that or identify you and

Jeane Walters 24:43
you have to take care of them. You know, they’re taking space in your house, or you’re paying for their space that they’re sitting in a box on the shelf. That’ll never be in

Brandon Handley 24:51
the boxes. Lots of boxes. One of the things that you’ve got in the book I really enjoyed too, and I think you touched on it for Second, is that in your spiritual nature, you are also perfect. Right? We talk about this reminds me of a line that I heard from Bob Proctor a lot. It’s just like your spiritual DNA is perfect. Yes. Right. So what do you mean by that? Like? And how can how can I begin to use that as a seed for my own greatness?

Jeane Walters 25:22
What a lovely question. When you see a baby, you see pure light and energy you see love, you see inquisitiveness, you see, adventure, you know, you see, what is this? And what is that? And how does it work, and I want to do it, and you see joy and laughter, right, that’s our true nature. And so what we do tend to do is look at our body, we look at our things, we look at our form, and then we judge Well, you know, my nose is too big, or my losing hair, whatever it is, we make up in our mind. And we make that, you know, I, I, this thing about finding, you know, finding something wrong with you. I mean, a lot of that has been grown out of religion as a matter of fact, but as pure as pure energy. And when in the violences, God made light and called it good. And if you look, if quantum physicists look deep, they say take a microscope and look deep, deep, deep into everything, every substance, and you what you’ll find is light. So that means if you look inside of us, you’re going to find light. I’ve seen it since I was a little kid the light. But so that’s who we are, we are the light, but we’ve taken on all these other identities. So. So when we’re rebel, for instance, then we’re living out of rebelliousness, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how we use it. But we’re forgetting that who we are as a as a being is perfect. So that means when we come from love, we’re perfect. But we’re always perfect. As a spiritual being, we’re always always perfect. It’s when we identify with something beyond that, that’s when we get in trouble. That’s when we that’s when we look at ourselves and find fault and judgment and so forth. Does that make sense? Is that

Brandon Handley 27:13
it does, I enjoy that. It’s just so once you realize I yeah, once you realize that, you know, applying that right? And so I think, you know, for example, what I do is I once I realized that I used that as a seed for just to let my spirit grow, right? Not necessarily make myself feel better about anything, but just to realize that creature of divinity creature, the light, right type of thing, and again, spiritual DNA is perfect. So what am i growing? You know, I’m you look, I’m not gonna sit here and say, I’m perfect. You belong in

Jeane Walters 27:49
consciousness to have that awareness that you are in every moment, that perfect self. Yeah, you know, and that means if you fall off your bike, you just get back up and get on your bike, it doesn’t mean anything about you. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad bike rider or that you’re a klutz, or anything else, it just means you fell off your bike. Sure, all that life is that, you know, we define ourselves too much at the times, but what we did or did not do, and, and that’s, it’s good to learn from those things. But it’s not okay to define yourself as a loser, or even a winner or, because that’s a definition again, and it live, every definition limits ourselves. It Right now, we said we’re probably going to Democrat, we’re an independent, we’re, we’re, we’re limiting ourselves, because then we had to fit into that mold, whatever we dream up that mold to be. And we’re, we’re we’re more than that. We’re more than that. So I think this whole idea that we have spiritual, our spiritual DNA is perfect is realizing that whatever direction we go, we’re gonna find our way.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Let’s talk about that a little bit, too, because I really love that you hit on that in the book as well, you know, kind of no matter what choice you make, you’re gonna be okay. Right. So let’s talk to the audience a little bit about that. And maybe some examples of where you seen that play out for yourself.

Jeane Walters 29:14
Well, divorce. I mean, the first time I got a divorce, it was like, Oh, my God, you know, it was a stigma. And yet at the same time, and I’ve worked with so many people and picked on was there’s more diverse people than there are people are long term marriage, you know, that allowed, you know, I feel like there’s a theme and a purpose to every marriage and every relationship, for instance. And that when you maybe it’s to help you that my first marriage was to help me become very strong and independent, and to learn how to be responsible. I had four kids, you know, so there was a lot of responsibility there and I learned it but there was a point at which I needed to grow beyond that, and I was not going to be Be able to I was going to be held back again, hold back. So it was time to move on and and find another way. So is that a failure? Is that a success? What is it? You know, it’s To me, it’s like, it’s not even falling off your bike, it’s just realizing this particular part of the pathway is now complete. And I like the idea of going you completed that graduated from that. And because I think that’s a more accurate way of looking at things than to say, Oh, that was so sorry, that failed for you. And it didn’t fail. You know, it was a great success. I was even confronted someone on the radio, and he said, Oh, boy, you’re just saying whatever you’re saying, because your marriage failed. And I said, I didn’t have a failure of a marriage. My marriage was perfect. You know, it got me exactly where I needed to be. And hopefully him too, depending on because willingness, you know, but I think that’s a really typical example for a lot of people. And the same thing is true with jobs. I’ve seen people there was a fellow I met who was a head engineer at this company. And he had been there a long time. And he was going to be a lifer. And something happened in the company, that and they went down, the buck fell on his desk, and they said, you know, your fire, you can’t be here anymore. And he, first of all, he grieved. And then he said, Wait a minute, I’ve always wanted to start my own company. And he said, I never would have done that as long as I was in that situation. And so he started his own company was very, very successful. So I think that that’s how I look at things that happen for me and with other people is that there’s beginnings, and there’s endings, there’s always beginnings. And the first time I did a lecture, I was a total mess. But I know I was scared. And so what I did was, of course, I did it. And it was not very good. But each time then I went out to do a lecture I asked myself, so what exactly happened just then? And when did you get comfortable? And what made you comfortable? And when I started answering those questions and looking at the whole experience, I realized, when I decided to shift my attention to the audience, and not to me, I was fine after that. So. So that’s why the transitioning, inexperienced is a wonderful thing. Because you you can learn so many beautiful truths, by just observing it and asking yourself some questions. But the second you start judging it, then you’re, you’re kind of lost, because now it’s a bad experience. You know, I’ve heard people told me that being sick was the best thing that ever happened to them, because they realized they weren’t doing what they really wanted to do. And they can one gal one fella told me, he decided to become a clown. And he said, I’ve always wanted to be a clown. And so he decided to become a clown, because he got sick. And he realized I can’t waste my life anymore. So those are the things that I just really get a lot of inspiration from that. That’s kind of how I conducted myself.

Brandon Handley 33:11
So if you’re sick, you know, you’re not doing what you maybe you should be doing. realign yourself. And so I think that that’s, that’s also a lot of fun. And I think that there was, you know, another similar relationship that you mentioned in the book, too, that I thought was pretty cool, right? Like, there was a woman who had grown past that kind of relationship, but it was her self that needed the focus. And so she gave herself the focus. And it was just within that, that time that you know, she became happier and kind of let go with some other aspects in the relationship that she been giving energy and attention to, and therefore how to happier relationship.

Jeane Walters 33:49
Yes, yeah, right. That happens all the time. Yep, sometime, Brandon. And because we were so sort of programmed with this idea that we’re here for everybody else. And I love the idea of service. I love the idea of service. But I think the first person I serve is me, you know, because there’s no way I can serve anyone else if I don’t pay if I haven’t nurtured the quality wisdom within my own self, you know? So yeah, my mother was a great martyr. And we all all three of the girls learn Marty damn well, but I would catch it and go, Oh, my God, that’s my mother. And, you know, and I need to stop and reevaluate and go, Wow, how much do I give and how do I give and what really works for me because I am a giver. But I don’t want to exclude myself in the process, because that’s part of what made her sick. And it makes everybody sick.

Brandon Handley 34:51
Let’s uh, right. So, you know, kind of what you’re saying to and you also said this in the book, give, give, give like friendship. Brain give of yourself and I love the I forget where I heard it, but you’re, you know, you are the giver and the gift. Yes. So So what does that mean to you and just share that with with the group.

Jeane Walters 35:15
We have energy coming in through us all day long it comes into us. And then our job is to give it out. Okay, so we can give it out through a smile. And we can give it out through applause. Or we can give it out through supporting someone or we can give it out through writing a book or doing a podcast or giving out energy. And so many if we don’t know how to do that, well, if we’re not following the our own inner voice, and if I’m an artist, I want to give art, if I’m counselor, I want to give help and wisdom and support. So when we’re when we’re listening to that we’re giving it but what happens is it comes right, the energy comes right back into us only it’s multiplied. So giving is a very powerful thing. And the giver is is the one that gets the most out of it. But what we’re giving is, whatever I am is what I’m giving. So I’m giving nurturing, I’m giving kindness, I’m giving loans, I’m giving you support. Somebody else is giving their artistic ability, or someone else’s giving. They’re fantastic on how to fix cars, they can listen to an engine and go, I know exactly what it is. I think that’s a huge gift. I think somebody else’s giving. They know how to grow vegetables like crazy. And then they they do that and give that. So we’re giving all the time we’re giving up who we are. And that’s exactly perfect. That’s exactly what we’re here to do. So you’re not to, you know, there was a story of Norman Vincent Peale. Remember him power positive thinking. And he told a story about this young man he was working with and a young man had failed at the insurance business three times. Why was he in the insurance business because his dad was very good at the insurance business. And he wanted his son to succeed. But he forgot to notice that his son was not an insurance man. So what the son with peel was noticing as well. He was talking to this kid, he was feeling the wood on the table next to him. And he made a comment. He said, I noticed you’re feeling that word on the table. What is it about that? You said I love Ford. I absolutely love what I love. I have a building with it. I love making furniture out of it. I like designing furniture. I love it. And he said, Why aren’t you doing that? You know, so the kid got permission to follow his heart and do what he loved. And he was wildly successful doing this furniture. So to me the gift was his beautiful creativity, ability, his skill, you know, and what he received back was was appreciation, low money, you know, whatever. And, but he prospered because of that because he was alive now doing what he giving away what he what he was

Brandon Handley 38:10
right. And I love that and you talk about it in the book as well is the idea of kind of just doing what you love. And not chasing the money for it and think I’m guilty. Just as much as the next person. Especially with like, you know, social media, Instagram, all the all the Go, go do this thing that you love and monetize it, do the things you love and monetize it. Yeah. And and just trying to let that go what you know, kind of walk somebody through that, you know, how do you detach yourself even from the monetization aspect of it? Knowing I think, again, to that everything’s gonna be okay, just go do what you love. I mean, when

Jeane Walters 38:49
you get I think it, it becomes a natural movement. You know, you have to like, plan, I’m going to make a lot of money with this furniture, I think it becomes a natural movement. Like, I love your chair where you build me a chair like that, and I want to give you money for it. Okay, great. I’ll do that. And so I think it becomes a natural thing it did for me anyway, I was teaching a lot and in my students would always come to me and my counseling. And then one person said to me, why don’t you that’s your really your job. I mean, that’s really what you’re here to do. Why don’t you just do it and get paid? And I went, well, it made sense to me, because I realized that when people pay for it, they receive it. Have you noticed that?

Brandon Handley 39:34
Well, yeah, there’s I mean, there’s a big there’s a big piece in there too, right? Yes. And you’ll see the flip side of this where people will, you know, say, Hey, I’m gonna charge for something such as spiritual coaching, right? Like, well, you don’t need to charge for that. Well, if you don’t set a value for it, then then people won’t value it and it’s not just and and, you know, listen, that to me is more of just a socio kind of setting that works. Right. And if I don’t charge you for it, then then it’s gonna go on the shelf with everything else.

Jeane Walters 40:05
Exactly. And that’s what I noticed. Because in my in that when I first started teaching, I wasn’t charging for classes. And then then I noticed they weren’t taking it seriously. When I started charging for the classes, everybody started doing the things they asked them to do.

Brandon Handley 40:20
And the results were probably, you know, twice as effective, right? I mean, if if I give you something for free, and you don’t use it, how useful is that?

Jeane Walters 40:27
Yeah. And it’s also frustrating for the teacher 100% Why am I doing I’m sharing this beautiful stuff, and you’re not doing anything with it, you know, but I want to get to your point, though, I think it happens organically. I mean, I think that when I have a fellow that was going to the junkyard and picking up pieces of interesting metal, and then then he would solder them together or whatever, he found that and make these art pieces. And he just, he loves doing it. But at some point, he decided to take him to an art fair, at some point, he’s selling his art pieces. So I don’t think that you have to start out with the idea. Like, I’m gonna make a million bucks This way, you know, I but I think it comes organically, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:09
that makes sense, right? People start doing their art as kind of a again, you get and get rid of getting rid of the idea of a side hustle or putting pressure on yourself to create, right, and I think that that’s not a piece of start winding down here with, you know, the idea that you need to create, you know, your experience here your spiritual, everything boils down to the need to self Express, self actualize, and create a soft people about that.

Jeane Walters 41:40
Well, and even as a dad, you know, as a creative experience that, you know, when your son asks you a question, you’ll, you’ll have to ponder or maybe you want to take them someplace, and then there’s maybe something that you’re instructing them with that, but it’s a creative expense, even like when they’re crying and you just hug them. That’s a creative experience. So in we’re here we are creative beings. And we’re constantly emitting our, our channeling it. channeling is a great word, our creativity. And so we just do what comes naturally. And we’re really good at it, like, you

Brandon Handley 42:17
know, so I remember talking to somebody, I was coaching somebody, and I said, hey, you’re very creative. And she goes, Well, I’m not creative. I don’t know how to draw, I don’t know how to do this. And you’re breaking out of that paradigm that creativity is bound to paint, this is bound to a musical instrument. And to your point there, you’re saying creativity is creating a moment, right? Creating an instance where it’s memorable doesn’t have to be memorable. You are the creator of that, right?

Jeane Walters 42:43
Yeah. And then take it to another level is that where are you focusing your mind? What are you creating today? are you focusing on everything that has gone wrong in your life, then then you’re just creating more of that. If you focus on your appreciation, joy of everything, that’s that you’ve experienced everything that’s right in mind you, you create more of that, wherever you put attention on grows. And so that’s, I guess, the biggest meaning and message I’d like to give out is that pay attention to what you’re focusing on, because that is what’s going to grow in your life.

Brandon Handley 43:18
I love that you bring that up, because I’m just kind of glad I had some highlights in the book, right? While I was reading and you know, right there, what you’re saying too, is when you stop focusing on negativity, but I have this line highlight is the moral Is that you, if you are removing negativity, from your thinking, be sure to grow something new. It’s there. And I think that that may be a piece that is often left out in that conversation like, oh, if I just focus on both, so talk me through that one.

Jeane Walters 43:46
Yes, yes. The mind is always full of ideas and such. And so we if we say we’re going to create this empty mind when we meditate, No, you’re not. What you’re going to do is in the beginning, and you might get there eventually. But your mind is always busy. So if you if you don’t choose where you’re going to focus, then it will keep going back to what you’ve always focused on. So you’re really training the mind your it’s about training the mind to be where you want it to be, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, I just think he’s an amazing example of this. He was born in Austria, and he decided he didn’t want to stay there. But he went to a Kawan movie, and he decided I’m going to be an American cowboy. And so from that point on, he focused everything he did toward that goal. And he said, people would tell me all the time, it’s impossible. He said, I didn’t pay attention. They told me you couldn’t do it didn’t pay attention. Your accent is too thick, didn’t pay attention. And he just he took the English lessons. He, he did the bodybuilding thing. He found his way he people started supporting him. You got to the US me focus, focus, focus, focus, and he refused. used to any idea that he wasn’t going to make it. And I think that is so powerful. But that was the way he chose to focus his mind. And when we do that, that’s amazing. I mean, we can move mountains, we can move mountains. So we have to recognize when we’re off the track, and then we have to recognize we are off the track and move ourselves on the track. What is it you want? Now? How can you begin to focus now, what’s one step you could take today that will move you in that direction, anytime, write a letter, send an email, you know, make a phone call something, get busy, you know, and when you do that, you move toward the goal, the goal, the universe works that way. Whatever you focus on increases, the universe completely support you in that. And so when people are worried, worried, worried, worried, worried, worried about being sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, guess what happens, you know, and so this is so important, and it’s so relevant right now that we decide we’re what we want to focus on and keep moving. Just keep moving.

Brandon Handley 46:03
The big partner, right is just to take that first step. And make it be small. And that’s fine, right? Because a just any, any, any action into the direction of your dreams, your desires, whatever you feel like calling it to me anyways, your signals, the universe is like, Okay, I’m ready to I’m ready. Right, let’s let’s start. One of the things that is newer to me, and I’m curious on your take on this is the idea of surrendering to the universe, right? If I surrender to the universe, how does a if I surrender to the universe, I’m like, Okay, give me all the things or do all the things and like, I’m not gonna try and direct you because the universe has a greater idea and more experience than I do. Overall, right? But how do you pair that up with like, setting goals or like, you know, trying to make a direction? I think that that’s, that’s an interesting one, which I

Jeane Walters 46:59
love that. Thank you for asking that question. That’s great. So I said, so we set a goal, like Arnold is great example, I’m going to be an American cowboy, I’m going to be in the movies, and then he surrendered to how it was going to happen. But everything that walked across his path that looked like a pet, a way to get there, he took advantage of it. So that’s what we do is that we set our, our intention, you know, I, for me, it was I want to live in this energy of this higher self, I want to live there, and I want to help other people live there. So then I look at a class and a class might show up and go is that part of my journey? Is that I look at a relationship and ask, Is that part of you know, am I lined with this vote? And my focus? Is this part of my alignment? And then we get those answers, we begin to see that all of those things show up, because they’re in alignment with what we’ve focused on. But, but he didn’t say, well, it has to be through bodybuilding, or it has to be that bodybuilding magazine showed up. And he went, I’m going to do that. And that was part of his journey. So I think he’s a great example of seeing he knew what he wanted, and he didn’t know how he was going to get there. But as things showed up, he would take advantage. So that’s what surrendering to the universe is all about. I don’t know how I’m going to get there, you don’t know, you’re going to get there. So we acknowledge that. And in so doing, we create mental space to go. So what’s the next opportunity?

Brandon Handley 48:28
That’s great. sounds a little bit like the line of you looking for the evidence of it happening, right? And also, I guess it I don’t know about for you. But for me, I’ve got to have this kind of mentality of you know, this is a benevolent universe, I’m here for a reason and a purpose. You know, this is my intention going forward. And now I’m going to look for the evidence that the universe is kind of setting that up for me.

Jeane Walters 48:55
Well, if you think about your son and say, You’re I don’t know how old he is, but you’re going to teach your mind or throw the basketball or something or ride a bike, you know, you know that there’s you start with getting him on the bike, and maybe you’re holding the bike. But at some point, he’s now balancing pretty well, and you can kind of push the bike forward, and he’s got it. So to me, if you look at that as an example, that’s exactly what the universe does for us. You know, it’s teaching us through different modes and modalities, you know, how to get on the bike and ride it know without crashing?

Brandon Handley 49:30
Sure, sure. Well, is there anything else out of the book that you want to hit on? While we’re here?

Jeane Walters 49:38
The main thing that I am saying in this book is you can make a choice. Yeah, you can make a choice that if you want to live in a joyful life, you can choose that and then and then do the things that are necessary. There’s practical steps in every chapter. So you start One step, start on another step to get started, and start moving your mind and your energy in a way so that you are living the life you really want to live. Your it’s your choice, you have dominion. That’s the main thing I wanted to teach with this book.

Brandon Handley 50:17
That’s powerful. I think that, you know, toy choice, it’s like, because I have it written down here, to kind of hit on choice. But, you know, making learning to make that choice. Finding that awareness is kind of where the power is at. The funny thing about that is this for me anyways, when I did my journey, I thought I was always making choices, you know, but what I was really doing was accepting others choices for me.

Jeane Walters 50:43
Yeah, right. That’s what we do we start out that way, because we don’t even know that we can make a choice. Right? Yeah. And then, and then sometimes the parents these days are going well, do you want to do belt volleyball? Or do you want to do soccer, you know, so there is a choice about But before that, we’re just told, do this, do this go shorter this time, and whatever. So we do have to kind of teach ourselves along the way, we really are our best teachers.

Brandon Handley 51:09
And for people that haven’t figured that part out yet, like, what is

Jeane Walters 51:15
your life, just like your life and go? How is my life right now? Where am I happy? Where am I not begin to look at that and go, what choices got me to this point? And what would I like to change? And then what are the choices, I need to make an order to move in another direction. Just look at your life, your life will tell you exactly what your choices have been. And that is no judgment at all. Just observe it like you’re observing somebody else’s life. And then ask yourself some questions. You know, does this fit me? Because sometimes we stay in things so long that they don’t fit anymore. And then it’s not serving anybody to stay in something that’s over. It’s finished. You know, people die in their jobs. I mean, they’re like, they have dead eyes.

Brandon Handley 52:00
Yeah. Listen, I mean, so I mean, that was I mean, my 20s I was, I was at I was at a job. And it was, it was a fine paying job. It was a corporate job. There was money, there was benefits. But what there wasn’t was living. Yeah, I looked around everybody, and I saw the day everybody’s kind of walk around like zombies. What you’re talking about glazed over. And I set myself as like, if this is gonna be like, the end game as it can wait. Come back, right. This isn’t. This isn’t where I’m gonna spend my youth. And and I didn’t. And

Jeane Walters 52:38
you though, I mean, really. Kudos to you. Because you went for the, you know, he had a lot of money at the job, and a lot of people will stay for that. literally dying inside? Yeah, they have money. Sure. It’s like believing it. You can have money doing anything. I mean, I feel like money is one of the easiest things to get.

Brandon Handley 52:59
Sure. But well, hey, let me share that one with people. Because I mean, what how did you develop that mindset?

Jeane Walters 53:05
Well, you got to get past the unworthy stuff. I mean, you got to get past this idea that you’re limited being you know, like Arnold, he, he grew up in Austria for heaven’s sakes, he didn’t even know English. Right. You know, those were limitations by a lot of people’s estimation, but he decided no. So I think it’s how we look at things. I mean, it a lot of people just don’t feel like they deserve to have an amazing life. And but their father, I call it the yellow brick road. You didn’t you know, you grow up, you graduate, you get your education, and you get married, you have kids, and it’s like, wait for retirement. And, you know, it’s a road to death. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, I’m, I always want people to look a little higher than that, you know, like, those are all great things in their turn, if they’re right for you. Sure. And they’re not right for everybody. Right. You know, we can’t make it a cross the board formula, but I think that’s what we have done culturally. Right. You know, in your measured by that like, No, no, no, no, no, you don’t get to be measured by that. How many toys do you have? You probably have more toys than I do. So, does that mean you’re more successful than I am? No.

Brandon Handley 54:23
Right?

Jeane Walters 54:24
What is if success is joy?

Brandon Handley 54:26
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to have some joy, right? in your life.

Jeane Walters 54:30
What are the most, you know, I think about a Mahatma Gandhi didn’t have any money. Okay, um, Jesus didn’t work on money. You know, Buddha didn’t. He was rich, but he gave it all up. So all of these great masters. I mean, I don’t and Martin Luther King didn’t like work to have a million dollars. He didn’t do that. He had a mission show all of these great masters. were telling us that, you know, money was not their endpoint. Doesn’t but I don’t think money is a bad thing. I don’t want to give the wrong message. Oh,

Brandon Handley 55:03
yeah, no, no, but but but but the thing, more important to what you’re saying before, right? You know, do what you love and the money will follow. But we’re talking about these other people, you’re talking about the Masters, you’re talking about Martin Luther King, what they did have was something greater than themselves in their purpose.

Jeane Walters 55:21
And they were fed and they had whatever they needed. I mean, Nelson Mandela is another great example. I mean, you know, it wasn’t money was not the end all. But, you know, he had what he needed. I mean, he never went hungry. So that’s how life is, you know, we can’t make money, the goal, we can make it something to enjoy

Brandon Handley 55:42
100%. And it’s funny, because, you know, we have this kind of this conversation with my children, too, right? They tell like, hey, I want to, I want to get a good education so I can get a good job. So I can do as I stop, I’m like, wait, you you want to you want to provide value? Right? So I mean, just kind of flip the script a little bit. Yeah, I want you to make money in our money. Absolutely. But yeah, to do it, be because you’re providing value and we’re columns, he wants off, whatever, you know, have those those conversations with the children. So this has been a blast. I enjoy it. I want to say thank you for you know, it was your assistant that reached out to me, but you took the call when I called you back and enjoyed our conversation that first time. Enjoyed this conversation. And you’ve got plenty of other books for people to go to check out on Amazon. But this one, the journey from anxiety to peace is Is it is it out there now is it released?

Jeane Walters 56:32
It’s Yeah, it’s available. It’s actually international bestseller. Look at anything about the world ready for

Brandon Handley 56:38
you.

Unknown Speaker 56:40
It tells me there’s a lot of congratulations.

Brandon Handley 56:43
Yeah, there’s a lot of anxiety and I think this is I think this is a great book and like you said you’ve got on you know, in the sub sub text right? Yes, you know, practical steps to handle fear embrace struggle, eliminate worry. And you did you had a lot of yet a lot of great tips in there. Just like you had the practical applications here in the conversation as well.

Jeane Walters 57:02
Thank you so much, Brandon. I really this is fun, and I really appreciate it.

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go. Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Sean McCoy who is one of the hosts of the company table podcast, which is a series of recorded conversations, which he invites people to come to the table to have authentic, open and honest conversations across a spectrum of subjects ranging from difficult fun to controversial, the primary goal of the interaction is exemplified love and understanding and a discussion that would inform the listener while encouraging the happy conversation of their own. Man. It’s been a minute and for those of you that don’t know, Shawn, I’ve had a couple conversations before that was back in fatherhood for the rest of us. And when I spun up spiritual dope, I came across like your podcast has like, man, let’s get you back on so so I’m so thrilled to have you back on. Thanks for showing up today.

Unknown Speaker 1:07
It’s a pleasure to be here, my friend. And I really love what you’re doing. You know, when I first saw the title, I was just kind of was enamored with this idea, cuz I’ve had my own transition, even the last 24 to 36 months around around cannabis and around what that what that word means. And then I think just the idea of that intimacy with the divine intimacy with where you’re going with life, just in another way, you just kind of you just bring it the style as far as just as it’s very open, very inclusive. You’re trying to understand there’s no, there’s no desire to control or is it to overcome or to try to convince and I just think it’s a beautiful way to do it, man. Appreciate your work.

Brandon Handley 1:41
Now, thank you so much. Thank you. So I appreciate that means a lot. It really does. We’d like to start this off I say we on the host creator and all the other things but I like to start these off with the idea that you are a vessel for the divine right and and what comes through you needs to come through you for the universe to operate at its optimal scale. Right. And it needs to, you need to deliver a message to somebody who’s listening today. Right? What is that message that’s coming through today? Sure.

Sean McCoy 2:10
So I just finished coincidentally, the book it’s called the physics of God with Joseph Selby. And Joseph Selby is a quantum physicist. And I’m in the in the so interesting to me that I finished it today coming on your show, because one of the things in so he interplays You know, he kind of remarries science and religion, which I think had the big split back in the time of Galileo and Copernicus that was really kind of this, the beginning of the end of that that beautiful relationship where it had to be one or the other. And that dichotomy that dualism, I just, it has to be that’s been a big area of growth, for me personally, just getting away from all that polarity. But in that one of the things that he talked about was in Genesis, he alludes to this idea of looking at these quantum experiments and talking about quantum entanglement quantum foam, and all these other real fancy words. And I’m, I can, Sam, if he asked me to explain it to you unpack it, about 50 60% of it, because it’s not, you know, I’m a pretty heady guy, like I like to think but it’s, it’s complicated. But overall, one of the things that underlying things that made me think of what you just said was, in Genesis, we’ve heard this phrase anybody’s heard it, that man is made in God’s image in the typical response to the typical kind of human thought is that there’s a human element to God and he created and that, you know, we had, he had elbows and maybe some sort of element of the physical versus this idea from a quantum standpoint of looking and saying, no, it’s eternal consciousness that God has, that he’s infusing and creating you with that image, because that’s what we all have internally. So instead of being limited by the physical, and saying, Oh, this must be some physical manifestation of God, it’s more of a vessel to hold the manifestation of God which is the eternal self and the eternal consciousness of all of us so that I just kind of felt like that was one of those points in my head as I was listening to it this morning as I was out mountain biking like I just told you to do now the just in terms of your show and just the people in who’s out there wanting to know what what in the world is going on? Where is my place? And all this? What how in the world? What do I know to believe in because as soon as you find anything, there’s some other use especially now you can google anything and there’s gonna be somebody else telling you all the things that are wrong with it doesn’t matter if it’s a business No matter if it’s a belief or whatnot. And I think part of that mystery and part of that chaos is intentional into give us this this desire to seek and this desire to continue to go internally and this desire to truly try to be intimate with both ourselves others and the divine and so the ultimate message around all of that is that in that journey you’re not alone is one of the biggest lies out there this You and I were talking about our reminiscing I think you remember that shoot out the shower story that I told you about that is not out here this is I you know, I was first deciding to become a Christian and following go against this all this stuff I’d ever thought and like what in the world is my problem and I was in the gym in in the water was coming to my head and it was black and I can remember that you know this this radiance you know I get away from this idea that it’s light darkness but just this radiance off in the distance that you know started to go to and I could feel it. Like I’m like in my body but I’m normal but then my it’s this weird thing started to transition I got scared, right? You get kind of like, Whoa, this is way too kind of UI. I know one of your big questions about you know, and I don’t go too far ahead, but just understanding that you’re your own self, you know, your your self awareness and, and then I kind of put the kibosh on it, you know, just that moment of just fear. And, and you’d mentioned, yeah, you kind of you’re like, yeah, you’re not gonna have that same. So I think that idea of, I think if we all took a step back, and all the weird stuff, we’ve been through all the stuff that we’ve experienced, it doesn’t make any sense that it’s okay to it’s okay to relish and it’s okay to be to sit in the mystery and to sit in the unknown. And that I think we get too involved sometimes to try and to fill it, try to give it some parameter and some frame. And just instead of just basking in the idea that there’s a, there’s an element of this that we just can’t figure out. And then even if we do figure it, even if even as we go on that journey, what you may define as the divine or what you may define as these things, so not it doesn’t become a situation where I’m trying to get you to understand it the way that I do. But we can kind of find some commonality back to what we’re talking about before. One of the big words that’s been kind of redefined for me is the word peace for a long time. Always envision peace as this idea that there’s no problems that everything is you know, calm. It’s like just, there’s there’s no issues, there’s no anger, there’s no fighting, there’s no, it’s just one thing. And if you go back and look at the Hebrew word Shalom, and really what it means it talks about tension, like this tension between between areas, and if you look at the way bridges work, you’ll get the way that how’s it anything, that what creates that structures, there’s there’s counter tensions all over the place, right? tension bridge, and you’d suspend ropes, muscle works by tension, and so is it but when you look at it, we look at a bridge, it’s not moving, but it’s under incredible tension. And we see it when that tension breaks. So in terms of human in terms of relational aspects, it’s not about whether or not I can convince you of something that I think is right, or try to get you on my team, or try to use fear and shame and manipulation and power and authority because of my own shortcomings to get you to conform to something that I want to but can I sit in the attention of a differentiating opinion, thought truth, whatever you want to call it? It? Can I relish with you in that it can that is that okay? And I think that that’s where When, when, when all the great wisdom books talk about peace, I think if you really break it down, and if you really go further into the, the basic tenants of all of them, that’s what they’re talking about. And it’s not that you can get rid of that tension. And so we try to act like you know, it’s always like, you go back and read ancient wisdom books, again, it’s like, you can hear today’s story, then I was just having this conversation with my hands, you can hear the you go back and read him back at Kurt, you just got into reading Jeremiah, which is one of my favorite Old Testament prophets. And it sounds like they’re talking about today, those books were written 2800, you know, 3000 years ago now, you know, in terms of accuracy and verbatim, and is it inherent? I’m not an inerrant. I’m not gonna say, I mean, nothing is inerrant. I think that’s part of the beauty and mystery of all this. And so it’s more about the con, it’s more about what was the big takeaway, if somebody’s lamenting, if they’re not sure about tomorrow, there’s all these what do they do, there’s the chaos of life. It’s never, it’s just crazy, right? And we like to think that it’s never been crazier and never been more worried, never ever been weird or never been more uncertain than it is now. Because it’s the only reality that we have. It’s like the cart totally kind of thing of like, it’s just the power of the moment. And we sometimes dismiss and forget of what has come before us. And so so but when you read these old ancient writers, and you’re like, wait a minute, that sounds like now. And so because we think that because technology or other things have progressed, that means people are progressed with it. And it’s not really what that’s not the same. It’s not the same thing. It just means we’re right, we’re doing this by computer on on the internet versus, you know, versus some written letters like back in the day and look at some of the founding fathers and some of the people before that they would have these great debates. And people don’t realize that they would have them over the period of weeks and months over written letters, right, versus we can talk all day long over and over again, re edited and other assist, right, it’s all here for us. So really all that to say, you know, the three great questions that I always think about in terms of what people are, can take away when you’re looking at things and where they can find hope and inspiration, in a sense is as you look at things that used to be Is it good? Is it true? Is it beautiful, was the original kind of that’s the first way to look at it. I’ve been having this internal war around dualism, because as soon as you because good and bad is all subjective, even then, as an opposite you start going down that road. And you know, truth is a is a funny thing.

Unknown Speaker 9:12
Is it so as I know, that’s absolutely true. It’s like wow, you know, I used to think so too. Not so much anymore. And so instead of that, I like to say, is it beneficial? Is it is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? And so in terms of is it beneficial? Because that that really broadens that ability to understand the impact something has on you know, is it a bad thing to have cancer? Well, it could kill you. And that’s our initial thought is No. But if you’ve been around suffering, if you’ve been around some of these things that people go through, there’s a there’s a transformation that happens and this comes in part of the journey. The last couple years of recognizing this frequency isn’t you talk about your undercurrent to talk about formulas that walk through life, others a gentleman by the name of Alexander john Shi’a, who is one of two people they’ve been the most profound, had the most profound impact on me in the last couple of years, just in turn. My way see the divine The way I see the Christ if you will

Brandon Handley 10:05
see an author or friend or he’s

Unknown Speaker 10:07
kind of a way to become a friend like him and I like we actually talk once a week now we’re doing some things personally but he from a from an educational standpoint, was a anthropologist. He went to university Notre Dame, he studied under Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell was the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell was inspired Star Wars, right. So just he was a student of Joseph Campbell.

Brandon Handley 10:26
That’s some powerful lineage right there.

Unknown Speaker 10:28
Yes. And so it’s so this comes into play, because you could you know, this, around the storyline. And so, but he grew up, he grew up Maronite Catholic, but he grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, in the 50s. And he’s Lebanese, he was first generation full Lebanese in, in the US. But because of this goes into this country how this works out because of segregation laws in the 50s. And 60s, they weren’t allowed to live anywhere by themselves. So they were like, it was like living back in Lebanon. So the irony is in terms of, like beneficial, so we would say none of us, I mean, like to think but would say that we should have laws that separate people based on ethnicity. But there’s a beautiful way that shows Well, something that’s negative like that can actually become a bit of a positive, if you will, depending and it allowed them to grow up kind of in this old way. He grew up basically in a Lebanese village in Birmingham, Alabama, with just his just his people, because the laws around it wouldn’t allow for them. And he was 13th 13th generation, his lineage goes back that many like 1300 years in terms of this particular tribe and his people and so he wasn’t a student of following that of Christ. You lived it, like it was a every day, embodied, very intimate, very traditional, very ritualistic very much in that in this in this sense, and not traditional like is in terms of like closed off. But in terms of like internal internal kind of discovery, internal kind of looking at is in terms of So anyway, partly Isn’t he but he realizes he needs to go somewhere else besides seminary, he needs to go somewhere besides your traditional and become just a priest because he was supposed to, that’s the reason he was named Alexander. So he goes to Notre Dame realizes that he cannot really get exposed to this because you can become this anthropology student in between Joseph Campbell and just the teachers that it blows up his whole foundation, because he was in this tribalistic, kind of like almost kind of set. And now it opens up his mind all these other ways. And all these other things, he starts to see the same pattern of the same elements throughout all these different whether it’s an ancient civilizations or current ones. And there’s uniqueness. But there’s also this synergy. And he starts to recognize this one, and he goes and becomes you get this masters and his PhD in clinical psychology. And then he goes on to use that as a practice. But he really is this internal struggle, he spends 40 years, and he has this moment where he takes the hero’s journey, Joseph Campbell’s journey, you can kind of come up different variations where there’s kind of four primary paths, there’s the first party step into the challenge, right, there’s the there’s the opportunity where you can begin the path. Second is the issues, the obstacles that you that you go through. Third is that is the transformation evolution, the fruit, the boom that you get in the fourth is in the service relative to that. And so that’s the those are the main Crux doesn’t mean tenants. What’s interesting about those four concepts is they are also the main tenants of all of our lives. As I start to see it, we all know this story. We’ve all had challenges, we’ve either stepped into it because we decided to a new job, a new podcast, a new, a new whatever, you have these moments of like stepping into this idea of like understanding things a different way. That takes courage. And there’s a step into that, right. And then there’s then what you do is like, great, here we go. And then all sudden you trip, you’re like, oh, what’s going on, and there’s obstacles, and that suffering is typically looked at as something we’re trying to avoid. But the irony is, that is part of that crucible that is part of that that intensity that allows for growth to happen, that’s where you become, I don’t like to use the word strong because it starts to create a, an element of like physicality, with just the ability to resist and that’s that growth that comes through that resistance, if you will. So as you grow through that, well, then there becomes a point when there’s a fruit, there’s a boon that happens, right? There’s something there’s an evolution, there’s a transformation, there’s a recognition, it’s like rings on a tree is that grow out, right? Don’t say this is the next ring, and you’re there. Yeah. And then of course, the fourth pass is this really, really critical part? Because now that you’ve done that, what are you going to do with this gift that you’ve been given? What is this new perspective? And now you start back at the first path, right? And now you start over because it’s not a linear thing? You’re not trying to get to a place and be done it’s this just continues man, we’re just on this.

Brandon Handley 14:12
Right? Absolutely. So you know, we got we got a lot in there to unpack my friend we got a lot and unpack so I’m ending with that last piece that she just said there. You know, the idea of to me is kinda like that Golden Ratio right of how the spiral continues to get larger as you say, you know, you start off in the beginning and then that’s your story like it just continues to get larger there’s more greater pieces that come into it but you keep circling around kind of the the primary aspects of your life and and your story, right, but everything else you bring into it, it gets larger, your boobs get larger, your challenges seem larger to the people beneath you, but like the those challenges are just your next evolution point. And it’s also like you said here, too With the idea of Yeah, going through all that, and then what do you do with that? Boom, right? This is done. I mean, look, man, not for nothing. That’s what you and I are doing with these podcasts, right? we’ve, we’ve discovered something else in our lives that it makes sense to share it out with other people help people maybe to find that for themselves. You know, a big piece that I’m doing right now is comes out of a book called power versus force. And the idea of, you know, accepting that challenge, Shawn, it’s gonna take what what’s it going to take? It’s gonna take a little bit of courage to take that step if you don’t take that step, right. The refusal of the call, right, that’s another part that’s a you know, that’s another big part. Right? So if you refuse to call the hero, that’s where you find in my mind, you find a lot of regret the coulda, shoulda woulda is what if I didn’t take that path? Right. So that’s kind of the refusal is is leads to this kind of life less lived. scenario.

Unknown Speaker 15:54
So stillborn is the word I always think about. Hmm, wow. So stillborn or stagnant? Like, like, if you refuse to recognize that pet like you don’t have to go down it. You don’t. I mean, you can even be when you’ve had, I’m sure you’ve seen people where you’ve had a major life challenge or change. It’s even forced upon them. And they’re still it’s like this, we call it denial or whatever. But they’re just not not going down the path. And so it’s like a broken record just kind of caught. Yeah. In that. You can’t go any further. And that’s the that’s the irony. Is it in? Is it everybody has the opportunity to say no, but you don’t have to go down these paths you, you can get the boon and then just sit on it. Right, right. Yeah, you’ve decided to take this. I hear it when you’re when you’re talking. Like there’s been a revelate there’s an intimacy there’s, you’ve seen something and now you’re like, ah, heck do I do with this thing? That’s it.

Brandon Handley 16:39
I mean, that’s, that’s it? 100%? Right. I mean, that’s the that’s the genesis of spiritual dope, right? The deal is that here, here, there’s this new, not necessarily even a new way of thinking, it’s just new to me way of being. And now how do I integrate that with all the other things and everything else has always ever been, and not even necessarily for benefits so that I can exist on all planes of existence, right? And just keep moving forward. And not feel as though I’m not honoring my inner self as well. Right, this connection to God, this divine right, this thing that really deserves much more honoring than I’ve ever given it before. But now that it’s here, I’m like,

Unknown Speaker 17:20
shit,

Brandon Handley 17:21
we got to do something here. Right. Right. So and, and, you know, I mean, just just for your own knowledge, like, I struggled with that, because it’s something that I’ve been with for a while, and I did the other podcast where I did prosperity practice, right. But then I was like, I’m still not honoring the truth of how I’m feeling right. I had a few conversations with some people that I knew that were and are. And I was like, well, there’s no reason why I can’t do it, too. Right. So let’s, let’s begin it with spiritual dope, right, let’s, uh, you know, I can help people through through that and find people such as yourself, and some others that are leading a life through spirituality, and having a more fulfilled kind of life purpose, because of it, right. And when they, you know, when they get to the end of it, they’re gonna be like, I did everything to honor like, the divine within myself. Right.

Unknown Speaker 18:11
Right. And also, it’s also a gift, right? It’s part of this is this, the opportunity comes to me you sort of define kind of why I mean, like, I love science, like it’s a part of this book is teaching us we can’t really trust even what we’re measuring. Even if we could, you know, the irony to science is they could never answer. Scientifically speaking, you cannot use the scientific method to answer the question that we all want to know.

Brandon Handley 18:35
At least it’s subjective, it’s always going to be subjective, actually, I mean, I did a podcast on last week on this, right. Like, the whole idea is like, it will always be subjective. But there are distinctive patterns in people who have fallen into this. And that’s, that’s why when you read meditations, that’s why when you read the Bible, that’s why when you know, you read any book of wisdom, you can now see that pattern, you’re like, holy shit, that’s the pattern. And and you can recognize that everywhere you go, you know, so the whole idea of everything’s a miracle and nothing’s a miracle. Everything’s God or nothing’s God, right? Like, you just got to make that choice. And that’s what you’ll see. So you know, one of the things that we you touched on it right was the you’re kind of yours what yours was quite literal, come to Jesus moment, while we talk about what that was like for you again, because this This podcast is, it’s also the gives people that understanding of Alright, well, this is happening to me now, what do I do with it? Right? We’ve been through a part of that. Obviously, we haven’t gotten to the end. But what does it look like from your perspective?

Unknown Speaker 19:44
Well, I think part of it is you have to be willing to relinquish control in a sense of what you think you know, and what you think is even possible, and that we’ve allowed ourselves I know I did for a long time. So when I was younger, up into my early 30s allowed myself to believe that because I was heady and because I was smart, because I had, you know, people told me so and I knew it. But somehow you’ve got that you’ve kind of figured it out. There’s there’s a, there’s a humble aspect to all this, that if that if I were to say anything from a preparation standpoint, it’s truly and this is our podcast, the one that I did. And even I think it dissipated a conversation, are you willing to just listen to this, hear it out. Now, I understand that you can’t hear out everything that’s ever thrown at you. And there’s a lot of noise out there. And there that is now more than ever, so the biggest challenge are so much noise, right? We can get lost in YouTube for hours and not even know where we’re at, or Instagram or whatever, you can get lost in the noise. But back you’re saying about this frequency? If it’s answers those questions, is it beneficial? Is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? Whoever saying it or whatever saying it, I think if you use that as kind of a starting point, say and then hear it out? I mean, how do you how do you sit there and listen to some of these ancient masters and some ancient people that and I mean, like even modern day ancients when they give wisdom and they give when they when they talk about these things. So all that to say that, just just be humble about what you’re doing. And be humble about the approach and realize that it’s okay to say that you don’t know something. And and then allow yourself to then explore and in really taking things that are uncomfortable, it took me forever, Brandon to not wince during the name Jesus. I mean, it took me years to not because for years, I was kind of like the, the church leader on Saturday Night Live where it was like, I would hear that word and just go, Oh, God, every time somebody resists Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you know, kind of thing. It took me a while to tour that name didn’t, didn’t bother me. So I think in terms of that, in terms of that approach, there’s also a little bit of grace you have to give yourself to understand your and you have to knock off some of these old habits. This idea of, like, favorite real quick,

Brandon Handley 21:47
what is Grace mean to

Unknown Speaker 21:49
Grace’s the capacity for growth, the capacity for wandering and being lost a little bit from making the decision that maybe turns out later Nabis beneficial graces allowing for exploration and just the existence of a maybe even since I was a negative energy, but just an incomplete perspective, allowing for that incomplete perspective of yourself because that’s the thing we become self critical. Go back. I should have known better. How did I not know better? Oh my gosh, now that I know I will never get it wrong again. Right now. Okay, now I get it all now get all figured out. But just do it this way. It’ll stay that way. And I won’t falter. This hole is the one phrase that is getting more and more old for me is around. Oh, well. Nobody’s perfect. yet. We got that part. Everybody. Like we we all check the box that nobody’s perfect. That’s true. Okay, but what does that even mean? So that means there’s that there’s an allowance for for that stumbling. There’s an allowance for just that even hurt and pain and just being flat out wrong. In some cases. Last night on LinkedIn, of all places on social media, I saw a gracious interaction between two people, where one person was just being a smartass, and just a just a troll, just a absolute troll and just the other person responded with absolute kindness, absolute kind of truly, this and I even reached out to him personally. And now we’re connected and they’re gonna come on this oil and gas podcast that I’m doing because I’m like, I’m like, that was an amazing example of just, it was inspiring because to see somebody do what you hear mostly is all the ridiculousness, right? We don’t see that. So grace, and even if you do, Grace is allowing, what about that idiot? What about? I was I talk to my people that I know that follow Christ? And they’re like, do you know that Paul wrote half the New Testament, more than half the New Testament? Oh, by the way, he had a massive conversion story. There was a there was a point in his life where he killed Christians, because he just just because to eradicate them from the earth, like in a is awful ways you can approach a group of people like just ethnic cleansing, he was the guy in charge. And I was like, What? Yeah, the guy who wrote more than half the New Testament is attributed with with living a lifestyle like that.

Brandon Handley 23:57
I did not know that. I mean, that’s I mean, that that again, that’s, I mean, that’s a powerful image. It just one of the things that you think about right brings to my mind anyways, is maybe even our judicial system, or our penal system, right? Where, hey, somebody goes and makes like this stupid mistake, right? Murder is a stupid mistake. Not everybody means to murder somebody in this in certain scenarios. And I think that something you and I have probably learned along our path is how to, you know, not let our not be controlled by our emotions. It’s something you hear everybody always say, but that’s not easy to learn. Right? And it’s, it’s not easy to get somebody who’s a good teacher that either right and so that we don’t have a whole lot of examples of that. So, you know, somebody goes to the penal system, murder somebody, I’m not saying that’s a good idea. Don’t go out and do it. But in the end, like, I mean, you’re still going to be accepted by God. That was a big mistake, but like, this person still has the capability to become and do some great things. for humanity?

Unknown Speaker 25:01
Well, let’s do that. What makes me think of that is a former military. And so murder dependent back to the good and bad was beneficial, not beneficial, but what we celebrate our heroes in the uniform, right? The most celebrated people. I mean, Chris Kyle, people like that, that we think about, he was a sniper, like his entire job was to kill people were the right man. That’s what he did. I mean, that’s not such sugarcoat what his what his job was, and what he was given awards for, and medals and book deals, and a movie was made. So So it all depends on context and the perspective of whether you think it’s the right thing or not. So I think that’s, that’s really important, too. And then, and then again, back to your question about grace and redemption is it should it only be for one or the other based on what we think is, you know, acceptable or beneficial things are good or bad at that time. And that’s where you talk about dope. And one of the big areas in my life that kind of took a big, a very big deconstruction, or just was around legal narcotics is around drugs, including psychedelics, and I grew up kid in the 80s, total square, I didn’t drink till I was 21. Because it was illegal. That would give me a hard time they thought it was ridiculous that would do that. I was just kind of the way that I was wired. It didn’t mean that I didn’t drink. It didn’t mean I didn’t speed. It didn’t mean I didn’t break the law, or I wasn’t, you know, I’m not I’m not Jesus, and nor do I claim to be, but I tried to strive towards that, in the last couple years, one of the areas that that really kind of shattered this idea of kind of this, this belief, I was given before these this perspective, that was defined around illegal narcotics and the whole story behind that whole the whole drug war and start looking at cannabis, as well. I think it’s funny, we call it spiritual dope. It’s like, you know, if you go back and read, look and look at the plan to look at what it is, I can honestly think that might be the most valuable plant ever that God’s ever created, the utility of that plan is incredible in every way. And so the idea that we’ve outlawed it, especially based on something like race, and we’ve criminalized it, and there’s people that if you look at our our incarceration rate in the last 50 years in the United States, leads the world in incarceration per cat. I mean, that’s, that’s not something we should want to be number one, and that is any group in the organization, right? I mean, mass incarceration is not, it’s not a sign of a healthy, vibrant culture, in my opinion, which is really incredible. If you think of how well we’ve done economically, or even everything else, that we’ve done this with a massive segment of our population, disproportionately, you know, disassociated from everything that we do. And I think that’s a real opportunity going forward. But part of the pandemics put out there and pushing these social issues to the top is it’s like, it’s not about even equality, or just you know, we have to have, you know, a one of everything. It’s more like, you’re just you haven’t tapped into this base. It’s almost like knowledge, like, you haven’t even tapped into this amazing group of people. And you’ve been putting them to the side and oppressing them. And now it’s a chance to bring back everyone to the table, man, what you know, got Gumbo and all that stuff. You know, it’s all better when there’s this massive numbers of ingredients going into it,

Brandon Handley 27:43
not 100% and I love me some gumbo. I’m loving some gumbo, the you know, you brought you know bringing up dope, right? Like so what is your spiritual hit? Like what it what is your spiritual high?

Unknown Speaker 27:56
It’s happened to me a couple times. And it’s that revelation or that being exposed to something that I didn’t even know I needed to know, that I didn’t even know was even possible. And it kind of redefines what it resets the foundation it is. There’s a part of it that is awful. Because it’s like erasing the whole white chalkboard, the whiteboard all over again, you got to start over. But when you do that, it’s this revelation of opening the what’s possible. And I’ll give you a couple examples. One back to Alexander, he was talking to this other podcast about so near make Jesus his name was Yeshua, and Yeshua and he said the word in Aramaic for from us for what we call Messiah, or the Christ was missy. Missy. It’s an it’s almost like an automatic pa it’s this number I was out I was outside doing some work in the backyard and listen to sing ecosistema See, it was the issue of the must see what it is is in the word. The phonetics require the breath expulsion at the end. And that that breath expulsion is the real embodiment. So we think the way we speak English is totally different than the way that Aramaic, and a lot of other languages convey what they’re trying to say in terms of there wasn’t there wasn’t a very large in terms of phonetics, but in terms of how it interacted, it was conveying something. That breath right? In Genesis, right God breathes According to the legend breathes life into the dirt, right? There’s a breath whenever there’s when you’re first born, there’s a breath, the last breath you take, there’s something in this there’s something that’s alive. It’s symbolized by breath. And so that energy which is in all of us, right, this is where we start to derail because the word goes to become a cya. And is supposed to be this thing, which shows he was in charge. And he was this. In my experience, anything that starts to go towards power and privilege and authority as a justification for its existence is kind of the beginning of the telltale sign that it’s off of this. It’s off the divine, because now you’re just trying to control people now becomes Well, he’s the Messiah. So now we have to follow him. Everyone else is toast. This is the only way right and that just leads to division. But this but the way that Alexander was explaining that in in Christianity first started to expand that what they would do is they would go find when they would go to different cultures different In areas and spread, they would see the Christ and it wasn’t the person wasn’t really even the thing either. It was this spirit within, it’s this. It’s this breath within all of us, right? That, oh, you have this story, you have this ritual, you go through these things like we do. It was more communal, like we know your story. We know that story, versus here’s the right story. And we’re gonna, we’re gonna tell you to take the story you have now, you need to just erase all this stuff off the cave walls, get rid of all your traditions, know your culture, and just adopt this new way. That’s just divide that’s just conquering? Well, I

Brandon Handley 30:32
mean, I think I think you said it in the beginning, right? We can look back over history. Look at all the books of wisdom. Look at all I mean, not even just the books wisdom, we can look at Joseph Campbell’s, you know, the hero’s journey, and we can outline just about anybody anything anywhere with that same story with the same fundamental, whatever’s right. And it’s timeless, right? These stories, these ways of being these thought patterns, there’s all this stuff you’ve been saying like, hey, right now, we think this is the craziest it’s ever gonna be or we’re the most technologically advanced. So that must be guess what hasn’t gotten an implant is your brain. Right? Your brain hasn’t been upgraded? Just, you know, for sure. You know, probably in 2000 years, you haven’t evolved that much as a human being. Right. So I love you brought that up. You know, the other thing you brought up too, is just kind of like the idea of you were saying I think resistance but as you grow, right, but the word I might throw out there’s like resilience, you develop a resilience to as you grow, right? Is that kind of like what’s your look like?

Unknown Speaker 31:38
It’s one of the it’s one of the byproducts is certainly one of the things that this the second during tertiary aspects as you go through these kinds of things. You realize when you’ve been there before, like when the tree is getting bigger, it knows, hey, the storms come in. Last time, I didn’t know anything about it got through. Okay. All right. So it doesn’t mean it’s gonna be easier. It just means that I know, my ability to kind of hold, stay steadfast, maybe greater, because I know, I know this, I know this song, I’ve done another stance, so that you know it like, like a book or like memorization, it’s just you’re familiar with it. So that familiarity, if you allow for it to come in, but also don’t think that it means you know exactly what’s gonna happen next, is this more of what is the essence of resilience? It’s kind of come what may man if your lights go out or be okay, if it’s flooded, we’ll be okay. If it’s a drought, we’re gonna be okay. If it’s a boon if we get a win the lottery, right? I’ll be okay. Because that’s not always guaranteed to be okay. Whether it’s a clinical good or bad thing that you get, right? Well, I

Brandon Handley 32:35
think that’s the other thing you were talking about is this dualism aspect can explain dualism for somebody who’s not familiar with it. So

Unknown Speaker 32:41
dualism started. It’s a nervous, Italian kind of byproduct from the Greek philosophers of kind of breaking things all the way down to their base level, in that we started to look at things from a polarity standpoint, if for everything, there’s an opposite, right? That there’s this idea that plus minus Yes, no good, bad. And that there’s this, it’s a tendency we have in ourselves to kind of limit the perspective of what we’re looking at real in regards to a situation or something or how we measure it. And we can even see it when you see someone like technology around, you know, polarity, and stuff like that, in terms of electricity and things of that nature. And so there’s this, there’s this tendency, and there’s also this human tendency to kind of break things down that simply. And the problem is we forget, as we break down the human being into like, Oh, it’s just atoms or just protons, neutrons or protons and electrons, it’s kind of it’s, that’s an atomic level kind of idea of right what we learn in school, there’s plus and minus, and if there’s more or minus than Plus, it’s a negative charge. And if there’s a positive charge over here, they come together, because positive opposites attract, and we kind of hear all this stuff. So we start to kind of really differentiate everything we think we know, in terms of what it is and what it could even be, is having one or the other. Right? And so then it becomes this, I mean, even think about it, if you just everyone takes a step back, look at the things that they look at that they were college rivalries, there’s kind of one primary rivalry is always them versus us, or, you know, man and woman, or, you know, hate and love, just just emanates in everything that we do. And what’s coincidentally is that the other person had this massive impact on me as a lady by the name of Janet Williams and Janet Williams wrote, she introduced on this other podcast called Nomad apophatic theology, and it’s not even the right way to look at it. And what it tries to posit and there’s a really, it’s really hard to describe, because it doesn’t have a description, but it does is a little bit what you’re alluding to. It’s both good and bad. It’s both but it’s neither. But it’s so it’s, it’s like part of this is the idea of where you kind of go to with all this kind of introspect is around God. So God is all things that is in everything, but God has nothing God is both but God is neither. And then it’s the idea that even if it how we think we can even understand and conceive certain things like the universe or even the divine did it’s anyone that tells you they know God or what God is. It’s not I don’t mean this to be insulting, it’s just I think it’s it’s this part of the journey of it. It’s just going to be incomplete. And that even what we think it is, you have these experiences, I saw God or I felt God’s presence. And I like what I talked about, and that we hold in those things become idols. And that the real idea behind telling people not to stay on the idols is even if that experience is with, like, if you’re there, if you’re Moses and God parts of the Red Sea and saves everything, and no brings the Red Sea down on the Egyptians, that’s a pretty stellar experience. If it happens that way. You’re Moses, you’re thinking you can’t get any higher, it can’t get any better than this, right? This is the pinnacle of all that exists. There’s a there’s an element of that, that’s, that that becomes an idol. No, I

Brandon Handley 35:36
think i think i think that too. It’s like we open it up with right, you’re the vessel through which the universe God creation acts, right, with, when I start to say that this is me doing it, then then I start to I start to limit what is possible, right, I start to set up like all these blinders and everything else where whereas, you know, if I start to just say, hey, the The only reason any of this is happening is because of, you know, divine source flowing through me and, you know, helping guide me, right. So when you start to think that you’re at the pinnacle of anything in your life, I mean, again, you you’re starting to throw up a limit. This is just me, you know, kind of spitballing right, but you know, you start to, you start to put limitations on yourself.

Unknown Speaker 36:21
Yeah. And it’s, it’s something that that goes into one of the things, there’s eight fundamentals with these eight areas of what they call cognitive dissonance. And these eight biases, and one of them is called the errors of framing is this is this idea that you’ve that what you think you’ve known so far as to what frames everything? And what what creates the structure, it’s out there that you, that’s all there is, and there’s not a possibility for something more. And part of the reason that he studies it is around innovation. So in terms of terms of actual innovation, both technically on a personal level, or anywhere else biases will keep you from seeing what could what could be possible. So that’s one of those areas made me think of that is their idea of errors of framing, and part of it is like, does a fish know that it’s in water? Or if it does, is it you know, it’s good? It’s kinda one of these things, if you don’t know, what else is here, or you think that what is there is all there is, or you’ve been told, right? There’s nothing else out there for you, Brandon, you’ll never, you can never go past this city line, or you can never nothing that you can’t go past this area. And it becomes a self limiting belief, because that’s what you’ve been told. And it’s part of that frame, then it’s, if you don’t trust it, it’s not safe. You’re not you’re not risky, just for the sake of it. But don’t don’t limit, like I said, Don’t limit the ability. And it’s, you know, look, I can’t be an opera singer, I know that. You can’t, there has to be some reason this, this goes back into the balance of things around just from a pro beneficial effects to harmony. In those three questions. You know, if I sing, it’s not gonna be harmonious, literally. But if I can connect with people on a personal level, work with them and go through life with them, there’s, there’s a human harmony that you can create as well. Right.

Brandon Handley 37:49
Do me a favor, like, you know, so we’re talking all this a lot, a lot of theory here a lot of just kind of inner work a lot of ways that we have felt what is something that you know, would would be some practical application to give somebody who’s listening to some of what we’ve learned throughout this time?

Unknown Speaker 38:06
I think the part that always catalyzes me, or is a catalyst for me is to take take an argument, take a subject, take a perspective, that is that, you know, is is fundamentally different from yours, as you can imagine, and go listen, purposely fine not to counter what I said about dualism, but it’s more of the context around if I’m having a hard time, I just don’t understand what drives didn’t have to be something opposite or something you’re against. It could just be I don’t understand what drives what is the deal with, you know, well, hobby ism, and Islam. And what’s the deal there? Why would that was that was what goes on bin Laden was if I remember correctly, that was part of his sector, what is the deal with name, your favorite subject, your name or area or something that challenges you that causes you or you at least has the potential to stern you and maybe it’s anything you’ve said, I will never change my mind about that. I will, because I, I walked the earth and said, I would never walk into a church for any other reason than a funeral or a wedding. When I did, I’d want to leave just as fast as I got in there. And that was my way for a long time. But when you’re when I had to take a step back and go look at this differently, like is this something that turmoil and again, it’s going to create turmoil, but that’s where the greatest opportunity is for growth doesn’t mean you have to step all the way into it. But if you if you, if you just stay in the echo chamber, you just stay with the rhythm that you’re used to, if you just stay in that pattern, you know, and you’ll go out and branch out, especially if it’s something that’s different, or unique, or in that opposite, but just a different frequency than what you’re used to. Then you never say that’s why travel is so important. That’s why and I don’t just mean travel like Europe, or you know, some jungle in Asia. If you’ve never been to New Jersey, go to New Jersey, go to go to you know, Seattle, go to Chicago, go to Austin, Texas, you know, go to these places, big and small and just in feel no in if it’s uncomfortable, right if it’s and I get this way. I mean, I went with my wife this probably about a year ago. We went to there’s a pride parade, gay pride parade here and we have some friends of ours and we went to church with them. They wanted to do the big free dad hugs and free mom hugs things. And we went and did that. And you talk about being out of your comfort zone. I mean, you know, look, I’ve never had an issue with it. I was in the Navy. I don’t believe in any of that violence, or, you know, look, I don’t understand it, like not even for for a moment. I can’t relate. And I do think that’s more of a detriment. I’ll get to that in a second, if you want to talk about that. But I heard something in relation to that. Anyway, you talk about different man, you walk out, you go, and you walk up and down the streets of Houston, Texas, that are filled with people for Pride Parade, and you are, you know, you’ve never experienced that life or knowing about that world. It’s going to challenge you, and a lot of ways and I think that discovered we tend to run away from it, if you can hold and you can stay steadfast. And yes, it may be uncomfortable, and it doesn’t mean you’re gonna like it at end of the day. But it will change you, I think it will change you in my experience. Rarely is it changing you for for the worse, for lack of a better word.

Brandon Handley 40:53
That’s a great story. I love that, you know, you kind of put yourself out there into a situation where you were uncomfortable, but apparently you must have saw, like, you know, some beauty in it right? You must have saw some benefit. And you may not you don’t have to understand it in order to look, you don’t have to believe it for it to be true. Right. And you don’t have to understand it. To for to participate in it. So and I love that what you’re saying here is, rarely do you put yourself into something like that, and opportunity for growth and it comes out poorly. Right. Right. That’s awesome. So you know, where where were you, you know, we met and over here at come to the table podcasts, right? Is that something you’re still running? Or if you’re spinning into something new? Where can somebody get a little bit more? Sure, McCoy.

Unknown Speaker 41:47
So right now I said a couple different things. So the podcasts that come to the table, I hit my 100th conversation, there was a number that popped in my head back in February. And then I used part of the pandemic to kind of get there and kind of round it off, I had to take a real hard look internally and realize it was more my journey than it was really doing it for the listener if I was going to be quite honest, gotcha. It was a sobering thing that I was kind of railing against the, the structure of like, I have to do all these things in a structured way. This kind of free flowing stream of consciousness consciousness kind of thing, just I just saw it, it filled me with 100 stories of people, plus all the other ones, all the other stuff, it just, it was just a chorus of, of the mercy of life of Breath of just everything. So it’s in it continues to have a significant impact on my life. Today’s the fruit, if you will, continues to be born. This is a good example. But I also realized that I needed to it kind of run its course and there’s some other stuff that was coming. I got a friend of mine who’s gonna show real quick before we jump on to the next piece

Brandon Handley 42:45
talk about that, because that can be a real challenge. For some people, it sounds to me like you found a pivot point. Or you found a point where it’s just like, Alright, this, this is filled its role in my life, right? Because you got a lot of people that are like, Oh, you got a, you got to see it to the end. And or maybe I’ll tell you, I had a big I had a big problem with, um, when I stopped doing father for the rest of us, right? Because I had attached my identity to that, right. And I was like, oh, man, I’ve built this community. I’ve done this and what do I do? And you know, it was tough to break away from that. So talk a little bit about that right, first first occurs to start it up, and then the curse the stop it.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
Yeah, I think it’s definitely much harder to stop it. I mean, it’s, it’s when you dive in, you’re naive in a way, you’re not sure what’s going on. But when I think you’re realizing that it’s time to walk away, and it’s not. Yeah, you don’t like it necessarily. I mean, I didn’t really like it. And like you said, you put so much into it, you put heart and soul and you’re wanting things and just the amazing conversations of people that you’ve come across. If we just take the time, I didn’t have anybody famous in my pockets ever. But I would tell anybody 100 times out of 100 go listen to Brad spot bill this, there’s wisdom in his words back then even and I think the other part that makes podcasting so amazing, which may make it a little easier to walk away from sometimes they’re all still out there for people to discover. And people will and this is where I just trust a spirit and divine will bring people to the point where they can listen to something based on when it’s necessary when it can serve them and help them but also realize that I could do a better job of setting the table, if you will. And also he also needed a little bit of you got to get some time. Give yourself some time to decompress, and some time to process that kind of stuff. Yeah, it’s like drinking from a firehose you’re doing one episode a week, hours and hours and hours editing and, you know, it’s it’s like drinking from a firehose and sometimes you ventually got to turn it off for a little bit. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:32
absolutely. Absolutely. I know that a I forgotten how much effort it is to really be involved in it. Right. Dylan? This is taken a considerable amount of effort. I’m loving it, and I’m enjoying it, but uh, I did forget for a minute, just how much time can can be involved with it. Okay, so then you’re looking at this I mean, if I understand correctly, too, then you’re looking towards a new new space. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 44:53
So yeah, so one to two areas. One actually got hired professionally to host a podcast and oil and gas talking about The environmental, social and governance issues within the industry is I’m currently working on that I have a co host with me, it’s like a true show like there’s developed, it’s, it’s really, really coordinated, complete opposite of what the other one was. I mean, it’s very structured, has conversation, but it’s got three parts. It’s it’s like a chorus. I mean, it’s there’s a lot to put together. That is one of my guests is a political theologian, Steven Backhouse, who was instrumental in my kind of my deconstruction around nationalism, which is a whole nother part of the story. But he reached out to myself and another guy that we know to help him start this podcast called 10th theology. And it’s just about renewing the renewing the political imagination or renewing the imagination, just as somebody who’s a follower of the way, they’re not even a Christian, it’s this get to where you know, you’re your lead, or you’re following this way versus it, the big crux of it, just to kind of put it out there is also around the fundamental what we call fundamental evangelical Christians that are kind of dominating the conservative politics, the United States, it seems to be kind of almost like that. Everybody’s assumption is if you’re a Christian, I mean, I’m a white 46 year old Christian, technically from Texas, right. So I was like, Okay, well, then you must vote for you must have to vote for Donald Trump. You gay. I

Brandon Handley 46:08
mean, you gotta be Republican. Right? You

Unknown Speaker 46:10
can’t you hate gays, you Although run the whole gamut. And oh, my gosh, there’s a lot of people that are like waving the flags going, please don’t do that. Please don’t do that. Sure. Yeah. And so it’s challenging that narrative, as well as the internal narratives that we have. Because it’s not like, again, it’s not. This is where dualism comes into it. The answer isn’t for the Republican Party to go away. The answer isn’t for you, angelical Christians to go jump in a lake? The answer isn’t for liberals to die or liberals. It’s just not right. It’s not an answer. Right. Have you seen this historically? I mean, you find me a place where there’s where you eliminate all certain ethnicity, type, gender, religion, whatever. Show me where an elimination of that has led to prosperity? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:52
I don’t think elimination does it acceptance, does it? Well, man. Look, I always enjoy our conversation. I’m sure we could chat about quite a few other things. But you know, what would like one parting piece before you today to leave everybody with

Unknown Speaker 47:08
you? I know you like to ask them. When did you become first aware of yourself?

Brandon Handley 47:11
Yeah, that’s a good one. Sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:13
I was about six years old, I was going down the street called Murphy road in Missouri city, right outside of Houston, I can almost take you specifically toward that spot was and I remember, I just kept saying to myself as a very young person, who am I who am I, me, me, me. And I found myself kind of this understanding of your own consciousness, your understanding of your own self around what that means. And I do think there’s an is a very young person, absolutely ill equipped, and had no support structure to help me process that. And so I kind of put that voice to bed for a while. And it’s been a long time. kind of let it out a little bit. I think in the shower, that one day, it’s always there. But you’re kind of letting the world the voice win. And be domineering. And I think I would just encourage people to listen to that voice in their head that they’ve had in it those things that they think are cuckoo, or the things that they think are surely this is not something’s wrong, you know, I mean, if it if it starts to become part of an inner journey of awareness, yeah, it’s again, it’s scary, and it’s Rocky and it becomes really, really weird Twilight Zone music kind of stuff. But I think that’s, that’s the point. That’s one of the areas that we’re supposed to is that realization of self are and what it is, I think those that allows for us to embrace all these other things we hear about whether it’s giving of oneself or its community, or how do we sit at a table truly with somebody because we say all this stuff, like it’s easy, but when you’re actually sitting there with somebody and they’re looking at you going, No, Brandon, I can’t stand x kind of people because they’re all this or it you know, those that what about what about what about this? The biggest argument what what do you do about something breaks in your house? What about this? What about rapists? What about what about all the hundreds of the border that disappeared? You know, two years ago that somehow didn’t you’re only there for a little bit? Or? What if What if the democrats win the election? What are you gonna do about that? Right, because you’re just, you always have an argument to put that but that voice away, right, not listen to it, and then not embrace it. I would just encourage people to do so even if it’s crazy, even feels odd and weird, and it’s not gonna be like the movies. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 49:14
not gonna be like the movies. It’s not gonna be like the movies. Well, Sean, thank you so much for partnering with that one, too. And like you said, right, to become aware at such a young age and not have the system support for that. That’s look man that’s that’s that’s where I found myself at 40 right so becoming aware and maybe you know, to your point like maybe re becoming re aware I don’t know right? reborn right type of thing and, and recognizing it and instead of shoving it away like this is the moment now to accept that that is who you are, right framework or not, but this again, this podcast, you know, check out, come to the table podcast and look for places where what you’re actually Experiencing fits a framework. I actually, again, this is something I said last week on a podcast that I put out there. I wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s true for you or not. I wasn’t out there consuming all this information looking to have the experience. I had the experience and then I had to go look for the information so that I could understand it. Yes. So thank you so much, man. Appreciate you for being on today.

Unknown Speaker 50:23
Man. I appreciate what you’re doing. Keep it Keep up the good work and you keep it going, brother. Thanks for listening to the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 50:35
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Brandon Handley 0:00
So as we we continue on literally chapter one is is not even that big right? I think it’s all of Was it 19 it’s like 15 pages. And it’s a it’s a 10 minute read, but this is this is what you take away. So what are some obstacles? What are some obstacles in chapter one? to this ideal life that we’re talking about what you know, who do you want to become? What kind of life do you want to have? Do you want to have that fulfillment? Do you want life to be? Oh, humming, I know, I want to be humming, right, I want to just be a beautiful state of harmony and resonance. Um, maybe at some point, I’ll share this a meditation where you can find the harmony and resonance within your own heart. to to to feel what to feel that to feel that resonance that I’m talking about. At least my again, this is all coming from my place of understanding at this current place time. And that’s always growing. So obstacles to that ideal life obstacles are this right? You’re gonna, you’re gonna run into many books and authorities that tell you to be a good human so that you can profit. Ideally, you already behave this way. You treat people right? Because it’s the right thing to do. You do think you do well, to be good, not just because of profit, and then attempting to link your values with external measures, like profit, cheap it and just credit your actions. Guys, I’ve gone down this path. And I know this to be true. Right? I’ve gone down this path, simply because I was just following, you know, some of those authorities, right? I was just following some of that. And if you do it for for expected gains, and then they don’t happen, you’re like, why isn’t it happening? And you’re attached to it? And, and again, it cheapens it like, you mean, you were only doing this so that this could happen? Yeah, I’m not proud of that. But at the same time I am, because I’m aware of what it’s like to go through that. And I’m aware of what it’s like to, you know, kind of, you know, follow this path, so that so that I could profit, right. I always tell people, I recently this recent interview, or somebody asked me how I get along this path of healing I was that wasn’t on purpose. You know, when I went into it with the wrong intentions, I went into it, you know, to be a good human, so I could profit right, I wasn’t for the right intention. But I’ve since grown out of that, right, I’ve since had a change of heart, I’ve since had a change of being. And it’s it’s it’s powerful transformation. And again, that this book is a big part of it, a big part of it. So we’re and this is a quote from Woodrow Wilson, which I think is super powerful. We are not here merely to earn a living and create value for our shareholders. We are here to enrich the world and make it a fire place to live. We will impoverish ourselves if we fail to do so this is exactly what we’re talking about here. The current society is greed driven, has been driven by untested sciences and economics and also untested behavior models to justify actions. I don’t have any specifics in front of me right now. But if we look back, I mean, the look and look at right now, we’re going through, hey, let’s just infuse it with cash. Let’s, let’s, uh, we look at I’m in the technology industry, where, you know, we’re shutting Huawei out of like, all different types of networks. And when I say we, I mean, the United States of America. And again, to me, this looks more like, this looks more like it’s to make America great again, versus the idea of, you know, a global, a global purpose, right? You know, the Euro, right, creating the Euro, all these things that are done to all these things that are done to propagate consumerism, right, and, and whatnot. This is driven by greed versus again, you becoming all of who you should become.

Brandon Handley 4:52
You don’t have to take my word for it. Take a look at yourself as what’s been done, for you to become the best of who you are. In Sreekumar, says, hey, these would otherwise be considered repeated activities. And I think that if you look deep enough, and, and and tightly enough, you’ll you’ll find the same, you’ll find it to be true for yourself. Companies are changing for the better, there’s a B corpse ought to look for some more of them, but one of them that I know of is Ben and Jerry’s ice cream. And then we’ve also got the

Unknown Speaker 5:31
oposite.

Brandon Handley 5:37
So we’ve talked about the different companies, the B corpse, and how they’re changing it to be a humane business paradigm, the company that I’m with is is one, I believe, where they put the people first people’s growth burst, and how can they come in and contribute to the company as a whole? And how can they protect their people and make it so that they are not concerned so much about the need for survival. Because once you once you put that into somebody’s mind, how am I going to survive, you begin to diminish that person’s ability to create to operate, you diminish that person’s ability to operate from a place of not abundance, a person’s ability to operate from abundance. If you take that away from a person like that, we freak the fuck out. Alright, they are going to be they’re going to be looking at a ways that they can make ends meet, they’re going to be looking for different things that they’re going to focus on survival just spoke about, and Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. When you look at your survival needs, you are not able to focus on growth and thriving spaces, because if something’s missing in their survival Foundation, you will focus on that until it has been resolved most cases, most cases, see change where you are, you know, so you don’t have to, you’re able to, you’re able to go out and look for or create a company that you can align with, you will enjoy work more, you’ll you’ll be in harmony with your either your own values, or that company’s values, and they exist, and you can create that. Or you can create that and you will find, again, if you can align with a company’s values. And if they are working, and from the position of going to humane business paradigms. It’s going to be that much more, right you’re going to get you’re going to have that kind of fulfillment in your life. I believe that we can go ahead and we can jump into the final piece of chapter one of the ideal life. And you can we will jump into the quest for more. The idea, the myth that is that more, makes you happier. Right. And and as we go, we look back at some of these other ones I’m trying to think of, yeah, obstacles to an ideal life, you know, powerful Institute’s are driving this powerful Institute’s drive marketing companies, you know, the companies that are strictly looking forward to going back to even the Woodrow Wilson quote, right.

Unknown Speaker 9:03
You

Brandon Handley 9:05
You’re not here just to make shareholders happy, okay. And know that so they’re powerful Institute’s driving that kind of economy, our current economy, our focuses and fosters consumption only. One of our key metrics that is posed as a benefit is our per capita consumption. How’s that? Yeah. We’re great consumers. And this, this key metric proves it right? Is that something to be proud of? And it goes, goes back to kind of a attachment to outcomes. A, you go for more because you believe having more of that. Versus more of what you already are and have will make you happier. is funny because more of anything and everything will make you happier. That’s a myth. More money, cars, houses friendships, freedom, leisure. Ironically, more of less, I want I want simplicity. I want minimalism. renunciation more, more more of all these things that you know, versus what you already have, you don’t need more. To make you happier. You simply, you know, you kind of, it’s okay. It’s okay. It’s okay want more for sure. But do not connect having more with your happiness, okay? You do not need to struggle to find happiness srikumar Rao says, Hey, you know, you do the work in this book, that it will come unbidden that the you do the work in this book, and it will well you’ll find happiness well up Within You Without making that a struggle without putting happiness, you know, as the goal without happiness. It’s funny because happening at the word just like happenstance, you are reacting into relation to something happenstance that something that is without you that really is are the external conditions. Going through this book, a portion of what you will find is I found, at least as I have found, you will find that happiness is with you at all times, will find that happiness is with you at all times. So that’s been chapter one, an ideal life of Are you ready to succeed, the plan is to go ahead and continue with this, I don’t know, I don’t have a specific goal. For how long this is going to take, I do know that the plan is simply to complete it. And the idea is almost that remove time, from how long these things are going to take, right? If I rush this again, then it’s going to take me longer, right? If I stop for a moment, as I did, as I have done as the book recommends, when something hits you stop for a second, be with it, feel it, let it be you know, a certain line or is still every time again, guys, girls, any fucking body. The idea is, you know, when something hits you stop and be with it, feel it. So this has been chapter one. I think there’s you know, 910 chapters, I forget, it’s been a while but I’m gonna go through them all, I plan to share them all out with you. And let me know if you’re if you’d like to a you know, join join up with the group that I’ve got going for this right now. If you’d like to participate, because again, going through this book by yourself while it can be you can do it and it’s great. It’s much nicer to kind of go through it with the community and with others. And and you’ll be able to kind of bounce ideas off of each other right? The will have a diversity of minds, as it were as we approach it together. So guys, take it easy. Be on the lookout for many more interviews coming up. Many other solo podcasts coming up and again, this little little journey that we’re going through. Are you ready to succeed?

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Brandon Handley 0:00
Now we will go on to chapter one ideal life. This chapter is really only like it takes you 1015 minutes maybe to read, right? These are all of my takeaways, as I’m going through this as I’m reading it as I’m engaging with it. So, are you ready to succeed? chapter one, the third ripple, which is societal change, he Sreekumar calls leadership

Unknown Speaker 0:23
bad.

Brandon Handley 0:25
Shots fired. The truth is he made there are very few leaders out there, there are many who have hierarchical, hierarchical, hierarchical positions, right? Many people who have authority out there and they can they can all put you in a good or bad place. But the deal is Oh, yeah, and and the idea is to that neither one of those, they don’t really care if you achieve your potential, all that they really care about is whether or not you feel the potential you feel the need for the role that you do to reach the level of productivity that you need to underneath of them. Okay. Also, the most of these people use they haven’t been trained. Alright, maybe they haven’t been they haven’t been trained. They don’t. They may not be here and I love this not able to manifest the life force that wins dedicated commerce to their vision. First of all, you got no vision. What do you what do you personally manifesting lifeforce for right that’s why did the podcast on vision that’s why vision is so important. It is to help you to manifest that lifeforce. This guy to dedicate converts, you know, to your vision. What is your life? You know, what would it What is your vision? If you don’t have a vision, it’s very difficult to be a leader. True Self interests, teaches selflessness. Now, again, that may seem kind of oxymoronic. But the idea of being a leader is to do things in service of others. How can How can you lead others to their own greatness? Right? How can you help someone to find out the best of who they are? Right here enlightened leadership is service. So what does it What does that look like for you? Have you been in the presence of a leader? Have you been in the presence of someone who can spell out their vision and you can just, you can feel it with them, and you want to be a part of that? And they come over you? And they’re like, Well, you know, how would you like to contribute? You’re like, ah, I don’t fucking know. Nobody’s ever asked me what I’d like to do to help you, you know, help, you know, be a part of this. They’ve always told me what I need to do. And you know, so leadership says, Hey, you, how would you like to do today? Do you like this? Can you see this vision? Are you a part of this vision? What would you like to do to help make this vision come true?

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And how can how can

Brandon Handley 3:19
I as a leader, you help you become who you want to become? Right? throughout this process? That’s the true self interest. That’s the well being of all, you know, again, the vision about the well being of self alone. Yeah, sure. I could have a great life. And again, go back to just following the instructions and doing the thing and have a have a life that doesn’t require or incorporate any of this. But that’s hollow. That’s tinny? That’s Yeah, I mean, so there’s, there’s, there’s, that’s a me lacks fulfillment. Leadership is a state of being not a skill.

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I love that. So

Brandon Handley 4:10
you have to go through today. And again, going back to the idea that let’s let’s take, let’s take Facebook, let’s take marketing, let’s take, you know, all these 10 x your XYZ and you know, become this person, do these things, follow these steps, and this will happen for you. It’s no good to study those specific styles, right? What is it about that person? Really, what is their intention? What reflect on the deeper qualities of that person, their style of leadership? What are they really doing what they do and this reminds me of Bob Proctor right. When he started the beginning, he would go up on stage and present and you know, you I could take I could take someone’s scripts, I could take the words that somebody says and go through all those things, and I could do that. The things that would not have their results would not have their results just by doing the things that they did taking those actions, that’s not going to get me there. I might have some source, I might, I might have something there, but I’m not, I’m not going to have those specific results, because I’m trying to apply these like skills, I’m trying to apply these tactics, and there’s no intention in there for me, and chances are that I’m doing those things out of more more of a self interest of just unify me only me, me, me, me centered, versus how can? What is it that I’m doing that is bringing you both spiritual and material growth? Right? How am I helping you by showing up today? And it’s once once we once we see kind of like, you know, these deeper qualities, you know, not even just you what’s beyond you, you know, what’s that grand vision for the world, the universe that I live in, where, whereby my helping you helps to bring up all of humanity. All right. So then, you know, different styles of leadership and methods of awareness appear to apply to all people all situate once you get this shit, once you get this stuff, man, once you get even just the beginning of this stuff, you start to build momentum, you start to see this applied, you sit at home, you know, I always always start at home, especially when I was doing fatherhood for the rest of us. Once you apply this at home,

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with your family with you,

Brandon Handley 6:57
that will do you’ll see that apply in your community that will apply at work that will apply everywhere you go.

Brandon Handley 7:05
So you’ll see it in all situations is it does it again, once you’ve once you get it, once you understand how this stuff works, it’ll start you’ll start to see it everywhere you go, you can’t not you are a creature, you know that that seeks and creates your own types of patterns. Once you recognize a couple of these patterns and things quite literally, almost with a noisy clump, fall into position, you can’t help but see, again, the jobs quote as you can’t connect the dots going forward. But as you look back, you will be able to see that this does indeed apply everywhere all the time. And if that’s the case, again, copy successors, there are you’ll recognize where you’ve been successful and where somebody else has been successful, and you’re able to see the parallels, and you’ll be able to apply that going forward. And again, not not just for your own success, but for the success of all people involved. Right. And so leaders, because the leader, again, once you recognize this stuff, because the leader sees clearly they can shed light on others. To me, this is the idea of seeing divinity within themselves, they can see it and others reflect it back to them. And for the greater whole, you see everything as a miracle, right? You see everything as as divine, that everything, you know, that changes the way you see thinks. And leaders, you know, eventually, you know, they can see the bigger picture because they’ve gone beyond themselves, they see how it’s all going to interact, and they see how to apply these patterns. So the idea of organizational change, to motivate, you know, to get you just to go do something is kind of demeaning and demotivating, right, like, if I look at you as a unit and I’m like oh what if I motivate you with this and then judge you’re just more productive? For me? That’s kind of demotivating right and the meaning because I’m just trying to get you to do what I want you to do under me as a management and as a greater level of productivity looking at you as a productivity unit in an industrial sense in an industry and sure we all want to be industrious um but again that’s for me not view my job or a leaders job again is to find out what is it that is d motivating you? What is it that if I look at the book, glad right here I think no standout 2.0 right. Wait, wait. I’m so skilled, gives a shit about your weaknesses, right? If you play together as a team, and I put you in To where you’re strongest at, you play your strengths. If you’re playing to your strengths, chances are you’re going to be much more motivated than if I come over to you and say, you know, you know, you didn’t get your TPS report done. Right? And and maybe that’s just not your thing. All right, find out what it is this demotivating, you remove the demotivator, remove the op, you’re not, I’m not removing obstacles, so much as an A leader isn’t so much removing an obstacle so much as they are helping you to navigate. I recently had a coaching session. And I told the coach, I said, Listen, let me just keep going kind of along my own way. And I’ll reach out to you if I hit a wall. And he goes, Well, what about not hitting that wall at all? Right? What if I can, since as a leader, since I’ve been in the year, your situation, your space before, a point out where a couple of walls are held you meet or not even you physically point them out, but just help you to navigate them so that they never

Unknown Speaker 11:15
appear?

Brandon Handley 11:17
Right? He goes, yes. What happens if I make it so you never have to hit the wall? Like Well, that’s, that’s great. Right? How much time is saved that? So I love it, right? He’s obviously Sreekumar Rouse obviously got like a kind of a thing for like the incipit imitator, right? The exercise in this book will help you become an authentic leader, instead of turning you into an insipid imitator, right. And I think that it’s a line from Sherman, I’m flipping through the book real quick here, because I’ve got, you need to command the souls of others as well as their bodies. And you do this at first. But by working on yourself, right, he goes, uh, commands the soul of his men, right? You got to command the soul of men, that’s from William Sherman, I’m guessing from you know, back in the day that the tank leader, but you do that by working on yourself first, I can’t, I can’t change anybody else, the only thing I do is change myself. And then once you start changing yourself, you begin to see the change in others. I know that sounds again, you know, kind of paradoxical, but it but it is true. In addition, leadership is inclusive of your family roles. And to me, once you start doing these things at your home first, if you have the opportunity to to work on yourself

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at home,

Brandon Handley 12:48
Imagine being able to do it around those that you know, love and trust with your family, then you are able to it really it’s really a great place to practice, right. And it’s a good place to implement leadership, how can I help my wife You know, become who she wants to become How can I help my boys become who they want to become not who I want them to become? Who do they want to become? Right. So, leadership in the family sense. So cut it there on the third chapter are on the third, third ripple. And as you can see, you know, once once you know individual organizational and into an opportunity as you grow. If you have the opportunity to become a leader in a certain space, then you can have the most impact, a greater impact and you can become that super strong ripple.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So as we continue through the book, are you ready to succeed. And as we continue on to the second ripple, which is organizational change, we’re gonna we’re gonna look at how we can, you know, we can look at the idea of how we connect, and how that determines our lives. And then we also look at the idea of, how do we how do we determine how do we differentiate between a pure network contact,

Brandon Handley 0:30
which are cultivated for connections and positions and and all this other stuff? Right? We go after the Hey, what do you do? Oh, man, you could really help me what I do, and let me see how I can use you. And your role for for my gain my company’s gain, right versus a true contact, right? Which is gonna change our intention, how can I? How can I How can I help you out? What is it that you do? How can I help you close a gap? We look at Zig Ziglar. And his old saying, which was, you know, the more you help others to get what they need, the more you can get what you know, help others get what they want, so that you can get what you want type of thing. So that type of intention, and I love that srikumar Rao has in here, whatever you are trying to do, must bring spiritual and material growth to others, right? How can I help you to grow spiritually, and materially, because live that we we live in those two different worlds, and that’s okay. And that is what’s going to begin your organizational change, you know, to change how you connect, how do you connect, let go of the idea that you person or body that you are the orchestrator of the events, it goes back into kind of creating the serendipitous events, how we don’t even know how we are here in existence, let go of the idea that you are the specific orchestrator of events. When when you know, so again, that also goes back to the idea of control what you can control. That’s just kind of like your thoughts and emotions and reactions, responses, that type of thing. Everything outside of that. It’s beyond your control. And again, this is this is this is coming at this with my current level of understanding. Okay, so second ripple, organizational change, when you have the right mixture of passion and detachment, as well as the acceptance of what really happens. So, look, I’m super excited to be involved with some of the technology that I’m involved with, and some of the ideas that I’m working on. But I’m not

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attached

Brandon Handley 3:07
to the outcome, being what I believe it needs to be right. So I think it should come out like this, or even a relationship or dinner, anything, right? I go out at night and get a flat tire, we should go out. I remember one night that Meg and I, you know, went out how to Uber and, you know, the, the date night, we hit a deer on the way home Buber driver hitting you know that that was you know, if I was would have been attached to a certain outcome, that outcome, that wouldn’t have been the outcome, right. And I could have gotten angry or upset that that happened, right? I could have gotten angry the doober driver, you didn’t dodge it or whatever. But I accepted it. We accepted it of what really happened. And again, in technology, or, you know, in the sales business, wherever you are, you know, you’ve got a great idea I made this video, this is what I’m creating. I’d love for it to have thousands and millions of views. Maybe maybe one maybe get zero views and and that’s got to be okay, I’m not doing it just for the likes, or the or any of it. I’m doing it because I enjoy it. I’m doing it because I believe that there’s value for you to go through it as well. I believe there’s value in these concepts and ideas. And the more that I learned about them, the more that I put them into my own mind, the more that I could bring bring into the world with them, if that makes sense. All right. So also think about the idea and like he says, you know, in an army, you know, you create these different connections, right you can, you’ve gone through this organizational change, and army will show up to support you the moment that you need it. You ever, you know, once you realize that you’re not the person that needs to To create and do it all, soon as you realize that you’re a member of a team, and you’re willing to be a supporter in that team. This is something that I, you know, eight years working at Cisco, I think taught me. So I went in there and I just wanted to help and

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do

Brandon Handley 5:20
do well with others and help them along. And, and the idea is that it wasn’t for just six, I just wanted to help. That’s wanted to make sure that the work that I was doing, was helping another person, get their sales, again, helping them to get what they need, so that I get what I wanted type of thing. But not even that wasn’t even even wasn’t even done with that intent. I just wanted to do the work. And I want to do it because these were good people. And, and they showed it all the time, I they would turn back around, and they would support me all the time. How but it also reminds me to have the idea of an army of angels that I had an interview with like a Mar, the deal is like, Listen, whatever you’re putting out there, as long as you’re putting out there, like good stuff, you’re supporting others and trying to help others. The moment you need them, the moment you need that army of angels, they are going to show up and support you. In the in the chapter of an ideal life under organizational change, he’s got a James Allen quote, about the golden opportunities that will present themselves on your path. And honestly, this is always happening, going back up to the idea that there’s going to be obstacles in your way, those obstacles. Man, I really, I still don’t like the book. But you know, the obstacle is the way that obstacle, that challenge is, is the golden opportunity. What is it that’s in there, if there’s an obstacle in there, it’s going to take some type of growth out from you from your team, from your ability to change perspectives, you simply need to identify it as such, and move forward on that, can I make this larger, let me make this larger. On the screen that is so that’s that James Allen, quote, golden opportunities present themselves on your path. As you continue through, going through this, this change, right books and other aids, will, that you need, will come to you unsought. also understand that the books for reflect

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your current

Brandon Handley 7:28
level of understanding, and often contains the keys that you seek. I think of this in the terms of, look, I went through my awakening or conscious change, you know, that was a pretty dramatic, I don’t, I didn’t, I didn’t understand the language that I needed to use, I couldn’t understand it, because I hadn’t been exposed to it before. I had no understanding. And I needed I need to these books that again, this is one of the books that came to, to my, to my aid, so that I could go ahead and I could grow in it, and could learn. So as we’ve got the, you know, the different levels of understanding that you’re going to get from these books. You know, again, you’re you’ve already got kind of queries in your mind, right? You’ve already got thought thoughts and ideas of how things are working, you’ve already got different ways of understanding. And what you’re looking for is how do you teach that to others? How can you share that out? Right? I can’t tell you the number of books that have just, that just continue to pop up in my life for the past like three, three and a half, four years that have helped me to understand

Unknown Speaker 8:58
me,

Brandon Handley 8:58
right, who’ve helped me to understand all of all, all of what I’m going through with you right now. In Are you ready to succeed? And, you know, movies, anything really once once you once you kind of develop this, this idea of any you don’t even notice it right? Really, this is kind of looking forward if you haven’t already seen this for yourself. So Steve Jobs quote is you you can only connect the dots going backwards. Another interesting just kind of a tidbit here, my kids read this book, Deuteronomy Stilton. And what was interesting and I thought that it was cool that they did this they they needed keys to the crystal cavern or something like that. And and there was a crystal key that they have to find within the book. Right that that seed is planted in their mind that the keys are within the book, right? They had to find these images of the the key Within the book, and you know, they don’t see it that way right now I guarantee it, right. But my current level of understanding is, Wow, that’s really cool that they put actual keys within the book that would help them to unlock different different things. And that’s probably not the way the author intends it. But it could be wrong. This book will help you to powerfully connect in ways so that you are in harmony with your values. And to me it has, and I believe, I believe for you that it could otherwise otherwise I wouldn’t be taken this much effort to to share it all out with you. If your current level of connecting is, you know, how can that person benefit me in my life? How can I go to network to you know, climb a ladder type of mentality? Can you get there and that way? Yes. How will you feel in the end? You know, can you get there? And what’s that going to look like? That’s a you know, that’s just a question that I’ve got for you versus, you know, we talked about the different ways that we connect right and how to differentiate that become a light that intersects with other lights creating a unified and brighter spot the ideas of like different spotlights on the stage, the idea of you being a light spotlighting somebody else. And what’s great for them out there. When you know, you’re driving up a vehicle, car, when you have the headlights go they they are they are set so that they they they intersect each other in a brighter space in front of the vehicle. So they will you know, you could do you have to manually adjust them, at least you did at one point so that they face is called light alignment. And you need to adjust those headlights so that they intersect at a certain place where the beams will intersect facing down in front of you. And where they intersect. They create a brighter light and they work together as a team. So if you’re working again as a team and not as an individual, as a part of the greater whole, as a part of the all then you you will create that stronger ripple that was discussed.

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