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Mark Youngblood is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth, individually and collectively. He is the founder and CEO of Inner Mastery, Inc., and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He has been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the Inner Mastery Methodology for more than 25 years. Through his Pathway to Radiance online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations so you can Love Yourself, create a Life you Love, and shine your Inner Light on the World!

Connect with Mark by checking out his website right here: Pathway to Radiance

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, well, let’s let’s get it fired up and we’ll go 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on here today with Mr. Maher Youngblood he is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth individually. And collectively, he is the founder and CEO of inner mastery Inc, and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He’s been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the inner mastery methodology for more than 25 years, through his pathway to radians, online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations. So you can love yourself, create a life you love and shine your inner light on the world. Mark, thanks for being here. It

mark youngblood 0:51
was my pleasure. Thanks, Brandon. I really looking forward to the conversation.

Brandon Handley 0:55
Absolutely. I think you’re the first person I’ve ever introduced in the style of, you know, getting to the ring. But there you have it. I like to I like to open these up with the whole idea that you and I are here at this exact time, space and place in the universe. So that source can speak through us. Right. Right. And more specifically, you to somebody out there right now, a specific message and what is that message that’s kind of streaming through you right now Mark?

Unknown Speaker 1:29
Well, you know, the

mark youngblood 1:30
primary theme of all the work I do and spiritual domain, really also in the corporate work that I do, is that, you know, our calling is to, is to really reveal our ratings. It’s, it’s to recover, that knowingness of who we truly are, and our true self level, and to be able to live our life from that center, you know, we call it living from the soul side. So, you know, in your intro, you said a little bit about kind of my philosophy, but just to recap it, you know, my approach to working with helping people to, you know, raise your consciousness and live a much better life is that we’re already souls, but we don’t have to become more of one, we have to become less of what we’re not. And that’s all the stuff that’s between us and being able to be the soul, that’s that, the layers of ego and all the one thing and the identification with being an ego and being a personality, that when we clear that out, the light just naturally shines, we don’t have to try to shine it. And so that’s, that’s what’s up for me, you know, it’s, it’s always what’s up and both for myself and for the people I work with out in the world, is to shine more that light, you know, every day, clear more of that blockage out of the way center more into that identification with who we are truly, and that’s the, you know, magnificent soap.

Brandon Handley 3:01
That’s, that’s, that’s great, right? It kind of makes me think of me with the house, we just moved out of had a, this kind of this does UV light to clear the water, right? And, you know, if you didn’t clear the rod, every once in a while, of that light, and then you know, the light came out, right? So it’s kind of like the same thing, right? You’re basically helping us clear clear the light there. That rod, one of the things that I noticed about you just kind of working with you and and just my own introspection of your choice of the word radian, right. I thought that I think that was a really great choice of words and determine and what we do here. How did you? How did you land on the word radiant? You know, actually,

mark youngblood 3:50
I had a friend who was teasing me about it and going, what are we radioactive? No, not

quite? Well, you know, there’s

Brandon Handley 4:02
always some jerk out there, Mark.

Unknown Speaker 4:04
He’s a great guy. So

mark youngblood 4:05
a friend of mine, who’s yanking my chain on it. But you know, every image you’ve ever seen of awakened people, when they’ve been depicted, they’re glowing, you know, that they just are shining. And, you know, in my own inner eye, when I look at people at the soul level, they’re just blazing with light, you know, and they’re in. To me, it is radiance. You know, it’s just, it’s, it’s an effortless shining of our inner magnificence. And, you know, it’s who we all are. And that’s a such a liberating idea. You know? It’s so funny. I don’t know, what sort of religious background you have. Brandon. Maybe you can tell us about a second.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, yeah. I’m 100% open. I can you know, I think that you’d asked yesterday or today about you know, kind of who you know. You know, I was questioned about asking about a woman who had been impactful in kind of our journey, right? And I told you, my mom, because I literally, this is all the stuff that kind of were having a conversation about, I was taught at a very young age, but I wasn’t able to process it the same way. Right? But now it’s like, kind of it’s, it’s, it’s almost like, this was always my first language, but I was never able to speak it.

mark youngblood 5:23
Yeah. Yeah, that’s, that’s fascinating. Well, I was raised in a Methodist, which is kind of a moderate Christian religion. And yeah, we were taught that, you know, we have a soul and the devil can get it, you know, like, it’s some sort of a little crystal or a gem or something, you know, and you’ve got, with everything, like it’s gonna, you know, be taken away from us. And, you know, I think it’s completely opposite, instead of being a person who has a soul, where a soul who has a personality, and, you know, it’s, it’s invented, you know, who we think we are, we created it, from the moment, we began to have a sense that there’s a self here, we invented a story. And a lot of that story is really limiting. Now, almost anybody is functional in the world has a part of their story that actually reflects some of their soul qualities. But there’s so much embellishment and a lot of garbage in that, that, you know, teasing the two apart, and really knowing what aspects that I’m bringing to the world are truly coming from that soul perspective, and what is just as made up, you know, and I’m coming from this invented facade, that it’s performing, you know, it’s, it’s out trying to convince the world of who it is. And to separate those two things. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the Eagles are bad, I’m saying that you don’t want to identify with it, and you want to clear it out, you want to clear out all the limiting beliefs and all the wounding is holding on to that or as you were describing earlier, you know, that junk is blocking the UV light or blocking the soul light. And you need tools to that, you know, you need ways to go about doing it that are proven, and the work. And once you do you know, then it’s, it’s like eating a chocolate elephant. And I don’t know if you’ve heard that expression before, where you know, the idea of the chocolate elephants the big change you want to make. And so with this, it’s, it’s about just taking a bite, you know, every day or a few times a week, and just eat, it adds up, it adds up over time, you know,

Brandon Handley 7:43
100%, I have never heard it referred to as chocolate elephant, but I will it is now Forever, forever. And they’re back real quick though to to I’m gonna jump all the way back to radians and then we’ll walk walk forward from there. But you know, you’re talking about, you know, that that light that naturally shines, and I love that you also just kind of talk about it with being effortless. Yeah. The other idea too, is that radio, you know, radio point is, is his center, and it’s spherical when it comes from all spaces, right? It’s not just not just flat and 2d, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s amorphous. And so that’s the vision. And that’s, you know, when I think when I thought about the choice of word radiance that you chose as a will, that’s perfect. Because just like you’re saying that is the light that naturally shines doesn’t shine never signs in 2d. It’s wherever there is space for it to shine.

mark youngblood 8:39
Right? Right. Like that. I’ve never heard that. I love it. It certainly fits.

Brandon Handley 8:45
Yeah, I mean, so that was that was had that’s that was my thought on where it came from for you. But you know, so that there we go. Right. But then we kind of joined it up in the middle there. Never, you know, and never really thought about that too. Like the soul getting taken away. I always thought about like, maybe the soul getting murky or something like that. And so it’s kind of like the idea of, you know, the devil trying to come up, take it and you’ve got to try and protect your soul from getting stolen, right?

mark youngblood 9:13
Yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s such a strange thing. To think of it that way. But but it’s the common thing, you know, you know, almost any movie that has references to souls. It’s like that, you know, it’s like, the what’s the guy’s name? That was the blues singer Robert Johnson. Is that his name that that went down the crossroads and he sold his soul to the devil to be a great guitar player. You know, like he wouldn’t get bargained bartering away.

Brandon Handley 9:39
I remember I mean, I think of the song right, like, uh, you know, I remember the song right, like, it’s kind of similar to that, like, devil went down to Georgia. Yeah. similar background, right. Yeah. doubling down short. Anyways. Yeah. Well, um, you know, what I want to know too, is a little bit about the journey of Mark Youngblood and just kind of how you came into this space for yourself, if you could shine a little light on that, if you could,

mark youngblood 10:07
yeah, I’ll be glad to, you know, and, and one of the great things about, you know, telling stories like this brand, and I really want to acknowledge you for your work and for what you do with this This podcast is, is that by hearing the stories there, they’re that every man and every woman story, right, this is nothing special. You know, it’s not for some select few, it’s for every one of us. And, and that’s, you know, one of the things that gets to come out of this. And, you know, I have a model for the evolution of consciousness, and I call it the pathway to radiants. And there’s stages and, and in my own life, you know, a lot of the development of the model was based on noticing for myself what happened at various kind of plateaus in this journey. And, you know, I had a, I had an awakening moment. And it was when I hit rock bottom, and in my model, the first stage of everyone’s life is the wounding stage. This is when we’re born, and this is, you know, and we’re growing into a personality. And we’re taught all these limitations, and we have things done to us that leaves emotional scars, and energetic scars, for that matter. And, and then we come into adulthood, with the baggage, you know, all of this baggage. And that’s what makes us unconscious to who we are. And, you know, I’ve always been really curious about what leads someone to wake up, you know, what causes that to happen. And in my own life, I had to hit rock bottom, and that’s where most people crack open, they either have the opportunity, at that moment, the weight awakened to a higher expression of themselves, or clean to the behaviors that put them at rock bottom, you know, yes.

Brandon Handley 12:08
Do me a favor to like, how would you define waking up? What specifically do you feel like you’re waking up to,

mark youngblood 12:14
there’s more to me than this body, this personality. That was my first awakening, because it the actual event was I was highly ego identified highly. And I was also deeply wounded and insecure, and I needed to prove myself to the world. And so I started this business, and I was telling everybody, I was gonna make millions, it’s gonna be famous, it’s gonna be wealthy. And, and, you know, I pulled it off, I was able to actually build the product that I was trying to create, at bat couldn’t sell it, because I didn’t know anything about selling, and I put all my money into it. I was down to about two weeks worth of money, I was gonna not be able to pay my mortgage the next month. And, and I had been trying to avoid admitting I was going to fail, because I couldn’t admit that, you know, I was it, everything would fall apart. And it did. And it did. And I remember I was in a panic, I still hadn’t admitted it, couldn’t eat. I couldn’t almost, you know, couldn’t breathe. And I was sitting at breakfast, made some instant oatmeal. And I took a bite and was like sada could not even swallow it. Because I was so panicked. And I didn’t know anything about meditation. But I knew if I close my eyes, and I changed the color from red, from white hot, to read, to a cooler color to blue to deep blue to black. That calmed me. And I did that. And when I got to black, there’s something in me that said, I give up. Ice, I quit, I surrender, I can’t do it. And in that moment, everything within me lit up, like the most brilliant white light that you could ever imagine. But just blindingly lit up until all I could see was white in my mind’s eye. And I was flooded with feelings of well being and of love and comfort and peace. Well, my eyes popped open, and I felt like I had never seen the world before I walked outside and birds It was like I never heard birds so beautiful. I’ve never smelled air so pure. I never seen a sky so blue. Everything was just lit up for me. I went inside I was voraciously hungry. I ate three bowls of oatmeal, call my parents and said the company’s got this failing. I got to get a job. And that’s what we are. You know it was it was hitting bottom. And when I woke up to was this tremendous hunger to find out what that something more was because Some part of my soul was able to break through. And and I wanted more. And so I just started this incredible journey of reading everything I could get my hands on, starting to do kind of out there transformational things like holotropic breathwork. And oh, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 15:22
mean, I’m gonna jump in here real quick. I mean, because I mean, right there, right? I mean, you’re, it’s funny to me, right? You’re seeing a lot of breathwork popping up now in the social media space, but it’s always been going on, it’s just a new awareness to maybe this generation, right or this space. But at the time that you were doing it, my guess is like, when did you start doing that? breathwork

mark youngblood 15:49
I think there would have been in about 1985

Brandon Handley 15:54
or so. Yeah, you were getting some looks? Because you may you were getting some looks, you got the selfies that are, you know, yuppies are coming into their own right about that. Right? Right. Well, good mark, we told you we don’t do that. No more. Right. And so so you got those guys coming in at it. But I want to I want to touch touch on a couple of things that you’re talking about before moving forward. Because you know, you’re talking about your ego identity. I’m personally I always get caught up in exactly what ego is. But you know, you’re sitting there, you’re in a space, you’re being overwhelmed. You’re you’re feeling like massive constriction, you’ve lost like all flavor and sensation, like life sensation, like, I can’t, no more. And then the moment of surrenders is that kind of that, that moment of release? Yeah. And the giving up like I give up, doesn’t have to signify I give up on life. It’s like I give up on. I’m gonna say, pardon my French on my podcast, where I give up on all this shit. And I let it go. Yeah. Right. And as soon as you do that, as soon as you did that, yeah. You opened yourself up.

mark youngblood 17:02
Right? And here’s the thing about it. I, I didn’t know I was going to do it. It was spontaneous. And it doesn’t work to just go okay, I give a

Brandon Handley 17:13
we talked about this in your group the other day, right. And we talked about the idea that if this is something that you’re looking this in relation, my similar state of that space of this, the all of Canada, I jotted down here I tuned into a whole new channel right there like you went outside you like you You walk in as the Disney Channel now it’s all lit up. It’s vibrant. There’s their sense, there’s smell is this is like, where, where’s this? Where’s this wonderful place? Ben my entire life. Right? And it’s like, and it’s like back then. Right? Like, and I was already thinking about this earlier is like, we had we had those rabbit ears back then. Right? We had to tune in even like the UHF. If you really wanted to get like Fox back in the day, you had to like go to channel 47. And channel 47, you had to direct it, you know, put it put a little bit of aluminum on top there to really get to get to that channel. But you knew a sense of space. Yeah, that had always been available to you. Yeah. Right. But it wasn’t until you let go of who you thought you had to be to be successful. Or, again, just letting go of it all.

mark youngblood 18:21
It was, you know, probably letting go might not be a word that represents what it was more like a collapse. It was more like you think about the ceilings coming down. I’m getting crushed under the weight, I’ve been trying to hold it up trying to hold up and while I was holding up was the false image of who I was right. And, and trying to defend it against the world. And the weight got too much. And I just went I quit trying to hold it up. And it’s just like, and to me, it was ego death. And you know, there’s definitely a part of me died in that moment.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And this, I just want to get back to the point though, to where like you, it’s really hard to time this moment. Right? Nobody, nobody times overall collapse, right? A life collapse. You know what, like, I think Tuesday at 445. And falling heat to the ground with all with all this and it’s on the calendar

Unknown Speaker 19:17
is gonna happen, right?

Brandon Handley 19:18
If I’m lucky, I’m gonna have a spiritual breakthrough at the same time. Right? So don’t bother calling me at 445 on Tuesday, I’m busy. So that it doesn’t it doesn’t happen like that. And I think that was one of the things that you’re saying to Salt Lake. Yeah.

mark youngblood 19:33
Right. Right. Lots of other people wake up in different ways that I think many, many, many people wake up when they reach their own personal collapse. That could be you know, if you’re identified with your job getting fired, it could be a scandal. It could be you know, the collapse of your marriage or death of someone close to you a threat to your own life. Yeah, lots of things. And kind of in the painful way of waking up, can do that. But you know, it can also happen spontaneously just out of grace. You know, it’s, that’s what I was saying a while ago, to me, it’s a little bit of a mystery how it happens. And I don’t think I could have rushed it, I don’t think I could have done it, you know, in any other way. Now, I will say this, the people who are listening, if you haven’t had that moment, I do believe that you can gently evolve your way forward, using tools like a I’m gonna say, my inner mastery methodology, which is kind of a toolkit for emotional healing, you know, being able to change how you think clear your energy, that sort of thing. But there are other tools out there. If you devote yourself to doing that healing, proactively, without waiting for things to get bad, you’re going to be raising your vibration, and you will reach a threshold because there’s not just one threshold, maybe we ought to talk about this, Brandon is the plateaus, you reach a threshold new plateau, then you climb again, and you reach the next threshold, you break through to another kind of awakening to that next level of consciousness. And then you know, you’re there for a bit and then you climb, climb, climb, and you break through the next one. And you can get there you can break through without the world having to go to pieces, if you do your work, because this is as your vibration increases, you got to think about it. Kind of like turning the the stove, the heat on the stove up under a pot. And it reaches a boiling point. And at that point, everything in the water comes out, right? Because it’s boiling it out to the surface. Well, when you reach these thresholds, it’s a quantum leap, you’re here in your vibrational frequency and boom, you pop up to another frequency, but you still have frequencies in you that don’t fit this new frequency, they’re appropriate for that bed level you were before, and they’re going to boil out, they’re going to start coming to the surface to be cleared. And that’s why we call it a dark night. This kind of disrupts your world for a while,

Brandon Handley 22:21
I would have to say that, you know, I shared this again, in the group that I think that I you know, my first kind of stumbling into enlightenment as it were right. I hesitate to call it enlightenment, my, you know, I stumbled into just a different channel, right? A different way of being real similar to your moment. Right, and I couldn’t have timed it. But to your point, and maybe you reminded me of the book, neuro Dharma by Rick Hanson, too, right? He echoes your sentiment where you can cultivate this space, right? You can, you can, you can begin to do the work now. And that’ll make the landing or you know, the space, a little bit more prepared, right, like yours, because yours was under the heap of ego identification. You know, I was like, What just happened? Right? Like, you know, like, Where am I and what just happened. But if you kind of just do the study, eating the chocolate elephant, right, the elephant, you know, and with the idea of just cultivating the space for yourself, right? And I always, I use this line at work all the time that you gave me in terms of even coaching, right, or working with a teacher is that, you know, as like, Hey Mark, I’ll reach out to you, if I hit a wall or something you’re like, well, wouldn’t it be a better idea to like, I don’t know, kind of not hit the wall. Maybe just, you know, get some guidance, and just be like, Hey, hey, Brandon, there’s a wall up there. Don’t hit it. I like to say, you know, because, and again, we are so I think as as Americans, I would say hardwired to Yo, yo, I get it from my children, they’re still young, right? I can do this myself, right? Because we’ve asked them to do some things on their own, like, you know, we want you want you to be self sufficient, but we don’t want you to get hurt. Right. Right. And and so we, you know, it’s very difficult for us to ask for that help, or go to somebody to get that guidance, right. Because we’ve been taught that we’re supposed to kind of do this on our own. How do you How would you, you know, I imagine he would do it just like you told me like, well, maybe you don’t want to hit that wall, but like to somebody who’s not engaged in the space yet and wants to get there.

mark youngblood 24:40
Yeah, you know, I happen to think based on years of doing this work, you know, I did lots and lots of development, self development work by going to programs, like neuro linguistic programming, but then getting into shamanism and doing some really intensive work. shamanism and just different things like that. And over decades, I collected what works, at least what works for me. And kind of put it together, you can think of it like, you know, a cool toolkit or a medical kit. And, and you use the tool that’s appropriate for what needs to be changed in any moment. But I believe there’s four dimensions here that are vital to the journey, and you can’t leave any of them behind, or you’ll regret it. One of them is soul connection, is that it’s absolutely essential that you learn how to engage the soul in your journey, so that it will support you in that journey. And, in a real sense, do some of the clearing away of stuff for you, but will be your companion and you can get guidance from yourself. So that’s part one. And part two, is you have to be able to manage your thoughts, because we’re the CO creators of our reality. And our thoughts are going to play a huge role in what’s going to manifest for us. So being able to change your thoughts to learn how to not let the autopilot run things, but to stay in the driver’s seat is crucial. Third is emotional mastery. And this is not only do you not want to act out in the world in a way that damages relationships and, and that sort of thing, or, or suppress the emotions as a way to not act them out, you want to get in there and get rid of all the emotions that have been piling up since almost birth, because many of them are still there. And that’s leads to not only are they low vibration, and there’s some of the biggest boulders you need to move out, but they lead to inflammation in the body. And that leads up all the chronic diseases, and we’ve got an epidemic of chronic disease right now. And then the final is we’re energy beings, right. And as energy beings, we need to manage our energy body, just like we do our physical body. And you have to have hygiene, because we pick up each other’s energy and are you able to, to keep that heavy energy off of you. You know, it’s like, if you were to climb around the attic with a white outfit on, what’s it going to look like. And that’s what our world is like, and if you pick up everyone else’s heavy energy is going to bring your vibration down. But also we have vibrating frequencies, that are patterns in our energy body that are like magnets. And you can think of them as karma, you know, they’re the, they’re the unresolved patterns that are looking to be completed, they’re looking for the end. Like there’s this little musical tittie, that goes down that, again, it has an end to it. But if you went down after that, and stopped right there, there’s, there’s just this waiting and waiting and waiting for, you know, for it to finish. That’s the way these patterns are. And so they’ll stay there and keep attracting into your world. Everything you’re experiencing until you clear that pattern out and put patterns in place to manifest what you do want. So those are the four dimensions. It’s soul connection, mental mastery, emotional mastery, and energy mastery. And I think you need tools and all those dimensions, whether you get information you get them from, you know, any number of sources, is that you need to have those, you need to be able to do your own work to progress. So, I don’t know if that was a tangent or if that answered your question.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Well, I don’t know. I think that you know, for for sake of anything marketing wise, for dimensions that are vital. You know, that’s a headline right there. Totally using that. You know, as you lead into that, I was like, well, we need to know what this is. Right. So very good there. For sure. One of the questions I mean, I don’t know that I’ve ever noticed overly much in the groups or the workings that we’ve done together. As you as of a law of attraction kind of guy. Are you a law of attraction kind of guy? Or are you just kind of like, this is just how it works? I don’t call it law of attraction.

mark youngblood 29:14
Well, I mean, you can call it law of attraction, and because it is the way it works, and I don’t emphasize spending a lot of energy, trying to get the world to dance to your tune. I’ll spend a lot of energy on that. I did, I did early in my journey, you know, cuz it was kind of, you know, that shiny object exciting, right? It’s an appropriate part of most people’s journey to learn, hey, I can manage that stuff. And, and that’s totally cool. And it is cool. But it’s like, it’s like a, you know, a baby discovering they can talk, you know, but I mean, it’s our nature to talk. And it’s our nature to manifest and we’re, you’re already manifesting thing in your world, right? It’s just it’s not directed. It’s not intentional, right? And it’s disrupted by you know, a lot of the garbage that’s in the way of being able to bring in, you know, what would be a great life. But I would say my focus is on get clear about your life path, get clear about your life purpose, learn to tune in to guidance that shows you your path forward, and it’s going to open up for you. But part of getting there is your thoughts have to line up with that path. Right. And when you do, that’s not to say that you won’t have challenges, I promise you, you’ll have challenges. But it’ll feel right. You know, it feels like this is just the journey. But I bet you, Brandon, that you have had times when you weren’t on your path, that you had difficulties, and you knew something was wrong with the fact that you had those difficulties. Right.

Brandon Handley 30:54
So I mean, looking back and and even looking ahead and a right now, especially right as I think as we become more aware of this feeling of the sensation of you know, hey, I’m, I’m working towards this thing, and I’m putting way too much effort into it does that, you know, why am I putting this much effort into it? And is it on? Is it in alignment with my purpose and path? Right, and then we kind of take a look at it that way, you’re able to realize, oh, because it’s not in alignment with with anything that I truly believe in in life. I think that’s kind of what you’re getting at, right?

mark youngblood 31:31
Yes, that’s right. There’s a different feel to challenges when you’re on your path than when you’re off your path. And you know, you’re off your path.

Brandon Handley 31:39
100% I couldn’t agree more. I mean, again, spiritual dope is on my path. Yeah. Right.

mark youngblood 31:46
I can feel it in you.

Brandon Handley 31:47
Yeah. And, you know, it’s it very differently compared to the other two projects that I’ve spun up that were real similar, right. So those, that was a massive effort, massive, doing massive, like, ah, right, and, and, you know, the second one was less, and this one is even less, you know, more so, right. And there’s still moments to your point where I’ll be doing things I’m like, is this really is this necessary? Yeah. All this doing what I’m doing? And who’s this? Who or What is this? And even recognizing Who or What is this for? Is this for my ego? Right? It’s just for me, just to say, Hey, I just did this, and whatever. But, you know, I think one thing that I think I lost track of here in our conversation, this is all all been really, you know, great, great conversation, you know, so I want to go back to you being suffocated underneath of them, you know, your crashing moment? And how do we how do we, you know, move forward from that moment to integrate that awakening into the rest of your life and fulfilling life? Yeah.

mark youngblood 32:51
So so the question you’re asking that if someone right now is in that point, and they’re their breaking point, what do they do? Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 32:58
How do you move forward from there? And how do you Well, I think next up, you know, the

mark youngblood 33:02
thing I didn’t mention a while ago, and, and, and it’s crucial, really two pieces to in successful spiritual evolution. One of them is you have to have the tools to be able to do your work. But number two is you need a community. And I would say, to everyone out there, that the number one thing to do, even before you get tools, the number one thing is, is get with a spiritual community. Because that community is a space, it’s an energy, that when you tap into it, it’s going to lift you up. And this world, if you have to navigate it by yourself, there’s so much about it that is designed to cause you to go down and we call it the elevator, kind of go down the elevator to lower consciousness, and your community brings you back up your community lifts you up, and starts helping you see a vision for yourself that you never even saw for yourself before. And that’s part of you know, what I offer as well, I have a free community on Facebook and a common rating. So community and then one that you join in, it’s private, and it’s got a ton of content in it called salsa community. But that’s so you marry content with community and you’ve got a wonderful combination. And so, you know, I guess that’s my best advice is, is go get in a community and then start finding what are the tools and practices that I resonate with most that I will adopt and start using for myself because, you know, this is not about how anybody else fix you. This is not about having anyone else take responsibility for your journey. This is a fundamental thing that your journey is your job. And, and a lot of people don’t want it they they want someone to come do it for them. And and you’ll be waiting a long time. It just doesn’t work that way. You’ve got to be able to be the one sponsible

Brandon Handley 35:00
and that’s important, right? And I do love the community to definitely want to hit on the communities that that you’ve created. I would also, you know, I would also say to like, if you find a community, and it doesn’t, and it’s a spiritual community, and it doesn’t feel like a fit, leave, go find another one that feels like it’s a fit, because there are plenty of them out there, right? If you if you’re kind of in this space, and you’re like, I found a community, but I don’t feel like I’m in the right place, then you might not be and that’s okay. You might not be That’s right. One of the things that comes up a lot mark, I’d be curious to just kind of what your take is on it is that you see people who are often going through this process, and they feel like their relationship is hindering them from growing? And, and, you know, and it’s funny, because I initially struggled with this. But you know, I came pretty quick to terms to in my own relationship, and, you know, everybody’s relationships a little bit different. But, you know, it was like, Well, I’m not, we’re not growing at the same rate and pace. Right? You see that a lot? How do you address that to somebody that asks you,

mark youngblood 36:13
oh, my gosh, I’ve spent so much time thinking about that. You know, there’s, there’s a point at which the gap becomes so great that you’re operating from completely different worlds. And there’s almost no meeting in terms of making meaning of things, there’s no meeting of the mind that the meaning is fundamentally different. If the two people stay close enough, that they can synchronize their interpretation of things in the world, and then the path forward, so that you’re able you as the spiritual aspirant are able to continue to follow your guidance, you’re able to continue to walk your path, then that’s relationship that can continue to work. In my own personal opinion, speaking solely for myself, I believe that our number one job, you know, our number one purpose for being here is their spiritual journey. And if a relationship is holding you back, then it’s finished its job, it no longer serves you, it’s time to move on. Because there will be another one waiting for you, that is a partner that meets you where you are, and is ready to walk the path with you. And I had that happened to me divorced about 10 years ago. And it wasn’t a match. That’s all I’m gonna say. It wasn’t a match in terms of how we saw the world. And it was a big barrier for me to be able to move forward. And, and guidance, you know, I had several times where Spirit said, you work together as done, it was beautiful. It served its purpose, you know, it catapulted you on your journey. Congratulations, move on. And I fought and fought and fought until it ended up being a painful break. And right at that moment, a new woman came into my life, who happened to be my high school sweetheart, who had evolved tremendously in the 35 years since I’d seen her. And, and our journeys are perfect, you know, right, where her consciousness is, mine met hers. And we had been walking with spirituality at the center of our relationship ever since. And my consciousness has skyrocketed since that shift. So I’m only speaking for me. And there’s a lot of people with lots of family that are affected. And it has to be a personal choice. It has to be something you know that you get clear guidance on, what’s the right thing for you. And I always believe that, that the number one thing to do is if you get your own inner guidance, that’s your truth and follow it, no matter how painful it might be. Is that helpful?

Brandon Handley 39:04
It is helpful. It is helpful, right? Everybody’s journey is certainly their own. And you I guess one question that comes out of that, for me is, you know, why did you fight it to begin with? Right, what took Why did you know? Let’s talk a little bit about that fight.

mark youngblood 39:17
You know, I think I mentioned earlier that that we go through these plateaus, and we have these breakthroughs, okay. And this was a breakthrough for me, because I had I had tried to leave that marriage when my son was three years old. And I realized because we continue to go to counseling, and we were just separated. I hadn’t done my work that I was, is the least as big a part of the cause of what was going on is her contribution. And what’s the point of going somewhere else to ruin that relationship when I I could stay in this So I came back. And you know, and from that point on where we are married 21 years, so is there a long time. And believing meant going through that, again, leaving meant leaving my son who was a junior in high school, it meant going through the pain of a separation, it which is no picnic, and it wasn’t, you know, it was it was extremely difficult. And so I kept rationalizing it away, because it was that doing it would have been too painful. And spirit told me three distinctly clear times, move on, it’s, it’s time to go until there was a breaking point, something happened. And that was it. That was it couldn’t stay anymore. And it was certainly the right thing. But that’s what I would say, is that I was clinging to a smallness, you know, I was clinging to a smallness,

Brandon Handley 40:56
claim to a smaller thing, you know, as you were talking, just jot it down, like, you know, pain and fear, right? Like, who wants to go through all that? I mean, you know, like, you know, you’ve invested a lot of time, and energy, right, and believe that So,

mark youngblood 41:10
oh, friends, you got to remember, you know, you’ve built up 21 years of friendships and all that. And, you know, you have to everyone has to ask themselves, if the end of my life, what will have mattered, that I played small, and I didn’t upset people around me, or that I followed my truth. And I’m broke through and I would I had this massive shift in my consciousness. Yeah. And that’s something I think about all the time, there’ll be a point when we check out when not one thing on this planet is going to matter. Right? It’s kind of matter is the evolution that you achieved. Right, this spiritual evolution. Now,

Brandon Handley 41:49
that’s, that’s great. Thanks for sharing. I mean, I think that that’s, that’s really helpful for for people that, you know, who feel like they are kind of hindered by the things or you feel like they want to try and make it forward. And, you know, they, they, they’re suffering through a lot of the same stuff that you suffered, right, like the pain and the fear. And, you know, is, is something better on the other side of that, and for you something was right. And yeah,

mark youngblood 42:15
well, here’s what I would say to that, if you don’t mind me stepping in here, I don’t know is that when you say yes to your journey, Providence moves, that Spirit will come to you. And spirit will bring people it will bring the resources you need, it will bring the opportunities, it will support you and moving forward on your path.

Brandon Handley 42:38
Because it’s like that trust game, right? Where you fall backwards. And you know, I’m a big fan of Alan Watts, right? Where he, you know, he’s got that one, we’re just looking to trust the universe is another, right, and, you know, universe to be your friend. Let’s talk a little bit about that. And thanks for sharing, you know, kind of the journey into that space and kind of how to navigate going forward. Let’s talk a little bit about some of the programs that you’ve created. I know, you’ve got a couple books out there as well. Yeah, what did you know what is uh, you know, the program you’ve got coming up here. So Mark?

mark youngblood 43:12
Well, I would say the first thing people would want to explore would be the soul side community that is available for people to join. And, you know, you’re a member of that brain and you know, how magnificent You know, this experience is and, and how much evolution can come from it, and how much good can come from it. And when you join, you don’t just get to come into the community, and have, you know, all those people surrounding you and being supported and being able to show up now, let’s see more about that in a moment. But you’re also going to come in, you’re going to get some initial training for free. And initial training is the sole connection and divine guidance trainings, because job one remembering is to learn how to connect with yourself. So the very first thing you’re going to get when you come in is how to do that. And there’s I think there’s seven or eight lessons in that that are really powerful lessons, to in just a matter of a few weeks, achieving that goal for you, is to be able to have that connection. And to get that guidance, and the community itself. I provide content every week, you get some new information that will help you to learn and grow, provide new tools, new tips, we have group calls, zoom calls, that we get together and talk about a topic and everybody gets to share their point of view. And, and if you have questions about life, about your own situation about any of the training that you’re going through, then you can bring them up there and you’re going to get answered about one of the things you asked earlier. You know, and you’re making the comment that the people don’t ask for help because of this whole, you know, the strong you know, gotta be strong, do it yourself. But there’s another reason The other reason is the lack of safety. And that’s one of the things that community provides, is it is such a safe place, it’s utterly private, no one can see what’s happening in there. Everyone’s committed to everyone else, no one gets invalidated, nobody gets shamed, that you can say anything you need to say. And then people are baring their souls about crises that they’re having. And Kim, you know, helped me have the strength to move through it. You know, we don’t, we don’t fix it for anybody, what we do is support you in having the strength and, and knowing how to do it for yourself. And that’s one of the great beauties of this, as most people, most people never had a relationship. So honest, you know, so open, and so willing to be seen, and, and for others to be gentle, when you are trying to be seen. And it’s about kind of the messiness in your life. Right.

Brandon Handley 46:00
Absolutely. Real Humpty Dumpty stuff, right, like I fall down and all the king’s men Couldn’t put back together again, but like, you know, it is it is I love the idea of not fixing it for you. Right, I think helping others to fix it themselves with with the support of the community. Yes. Right. And not only, you know, with the supportive community, but with with some new tools, and not just with new tools. But hey, here’s how to apply these tools. Yes, what you offering do a really wonderful job. And one of the things that I like I love about what you put out there, and the support that you offer, and the community offers is patience. Right, right. And it takes it takes patience, because sometimes people like myself, you know, for example, they always get it right the first time. I know, that comes this sounds crazy. But you know, and so, you know, you work with it through to a solution for people. And another thing that you you offer offer, often that I see posts is you asked for prayers for people, right? Yes, I love that you do that. Right. So I think that that’s something that’s kind of underestimated the power of prayer, or we, you know, good vibes, or whatever you need to call it right, you know, I let’s all send like, you know, concentrated thought of good thought and healing towards this one space. And so, I enjoy that you do that? I don’t think I’ve ever shared that with you before. So, you know, I think that that’s a real powerful tool that you’re helping others to see for themselves. Yeah, one of the other tools that you you’ve given a couple of free transformational coaches assessments to me personally, yeah, I found them to be I was just thinking about it earlier. So the, the work that you do is so surgical. Right. But it’s, you know, when you think about it word for it really is though, is surgical, like and, you know, not like, you know, I’m a barber from the 1800s surgical, but like laser surgery, and where it doesn’t feel like I’m being you know, beaten and battered to our conversation, there’s a there’s a true, it’s not invasive, and I come out of it. And like, there’s like this, this is, you know, just amazing feeling. So I think that, you know, that’s, that’s awesome. And you share those with people through the group as well. The right wanted to, you know, once you just really quick, let’s walk through doing like, you know, I love the kind of the clearing the energy thing, walk, walk, walk us through, you know, we kind of do the cyclone process, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

mark youngblood 48:44
So, this would be a great thing, that’s a tool you can everyone can begin using right away. And it’s the idea that our energy body, you know, it interacts at an energetic level with everything and everyone, and we pick up other people’s energy, we also kind of off gassing our own negative energy. And if you ever saw the movie peanuts, and the little boy that walked on and, and dust just fell off them, that’s, that’s what our energy bodies look like, they’re really generally dirty. But there’s a very simple technique that gives you two versions of it, that you can use to clean this out and wash it out. And one of them is just thinking, imagining a white waterfall, you’re, you’re standing on a waterfall of white sparkling light, that’s washing down through every part of your energy field all the way out to the edges of your RF through every cell of your body, washing any loose or negative energy negative, and then a kind of evil way but negative in a heavy vibration way. So it’s washing this energy out and just visualize that and you can almost imagine water, this clean water coming in and then it gets dirty as it as it flushes this out. And you’ll you’ll start to have sensations you’ll feel lighter, cooler, often. So that’s the white waterfall, and a more powerful version. But different people respond to different forms of this is to imagine like a whirlwind like a tornado, that is a brilliant white light starting 30 feet above your head, coming down to the center of your body and out larger than your whole energy field, sweeping out that that heavy energy sweeping out the cells of your body, and then carrying that down 30 feet in the earth, and it deposits it there because there’s beings that will consume consume that energy, because it’s just, it’s just heavy energy. It’s nothing bad or toxic or bad. It’s just heavy, and you want it out of your field.

Brandon Handley 50:42
Now, thanks for sharing that. And I always find that to be I always find that process to be super helpful, right? It’s just yeah, helps me feel lighter, brighter, like, I’ve just been Clorox or something.

mark youngblood 50:56
Well, and you want to do it many times a day. Anytime you’ve gone out, and you’ve been around people, before you go to bed, it’ll help you sleep when you first get up. You know, you had a lot of people when they’re taking a shower, it’s a good reminder, I’m in the shower, let me just do a white waterfall on in the shower. And I call it energy hygiene. Yeah. And you keep your energy clean, just like you do your body. It’s one of many tools that are important. Like

Brandon Handley 51:22
something else you you hit on during that that I know that I’ve been personally struggling with is that when you think about the idea of you talks about kind of washing this energy away, or getting you know the cyclone to deposit this other energy. Yeah, and using the word negative simply because we don’t have a better term for it. But But what you’re saying, and I’m hearing, and it’s great for me, because I’ve always been like, well, I just want to be like all positive energy. So I’m gonna breathing positive, and I’m gonna read out positive and I’m not trying to bring any detriment to anybody anywhere. I’m gonna say it’s the idea is the idea of, you know, that energy, the may not be benefiting me may be benefiting something somewhere else. I like to thank you. Yes, that’s very helpful. Yeah, like, I’m

mark youngblood 52:20
okay. Right. It’s just, it’s just frequencies, right? Maybe we should call heavy because it’s heavy, this heavy energy that you want.

Brandon Handley 52:31
Yeah, yeah, no, and that’s helpful, right? Just the idea of, of, of that, which isn’t serving me may serve something or someone else. And in a positive, beneficial manner,

mark youngblood 52:44
right. By the way, one final thought on this is I may, is, every time you do any sort of healing work, energy work, meditation, yoga, you want to do one of those waterfalls, or whirlwinds. Because you’re breaking up at least little bits of energy. And if you don’t flush them out, they’ll congeal onto the structures of your energy body, and it’s still heavy. Yeah, getting there. So so just clean it out and let it go. And that’s how your vibration pops up and up and up and up. And you can imagine, you know, doing that, in the eating the chocolate elephant form of doing healing techniques, fleshing that out, how it just gets lighter, and lighter and lighter, and all of a sudden, you start to be intuitive. All of a sudden, you start to understand things, all of a sudden, you have greater emotional control, because more of your light is shining out. And you’re not having to try as hard anymore, to be a more magnificent, radiant person. That’s how it works.

Brandon Handley 53:43
It’s great. And thanks again, Mark. I mean, this is I actually I want to hit on one more thing is, is your book The the emotional mastery, but it wasn’t the emotional mastery of the book that you share with me. I wanted to mention that book real quick to people as a tool that Mark has craves, really, really well done. And I think that that’s another space that men in America, especially shy away from, right is dealing with their emotions. Yeah. So this job, maybe a five minute segment on how the how to start that work as a guy, right? Yeah, show mastery. Yeah.

mark youngblood 54:23
Oh, my gosh. You know, it’s interesting that you bring that up. You know, I’ve got to two communities. And the ratio of women to men is about 75 to 80% women, and they’re balanced as men. And we needed 5050 we need a lot more men to get on board with it. But the book is called dear human, mastering your emotions, dear human master your emotions, and I have a bunch of tools in there. That’s a really great book. And you know this brand and but I don’t think this audience is hurt yet. In the other part of my world I’m an executive coach, I work with CEOs and corporations and their teams, their senior team on how to be exceptional leaders. That’s your long program, one on one work, very intensive, and it’s all about consciousness. And these people brain And to your point, they’ll do an assessment and assessment comes in and goes, your emotions are shut down. And so a big part of the work is to get them to, you know, reclaim their emotions reclaim their body. And and also to not let those emotions run them. And to be we call it the pilot or autopilot who’s in charge here. Is your reactivity, your autopilot, and subconscious reactions running things, or is your pilot staying in charge? And then how are you going about that? So we teach tools for that we teach tools for this inner self mastery. And, and that’s one thing that men can relate to, you know, if you give them an analytical process that they can see where simple,

Brandon Handley 56:05
yeah, we’re simple creatures, we like pictures and things you can see, you know, you know, just tell me a map, and I’ll follow it.

mark youngblood 56:13
So here’s what I do I teach these tools, I have a tool called during the pain, that when you’re triggered, it’s a quick visualization to release the emotional energy may affect anyone who joins my email, this gets that immediately. give that away. That’s one of those must have tools. And so it’s a way that when you lose the charge, your head clears up, and you’re able to make better choices. But then there’s also, you know, how do you let go of insecurities and he clear those out? You know, how do you? How do you clear out old resentments? You know, what are the practices for that? So, one of the things I have found, as a motivator for men, I believe that was your question is how do we get men moving? What do you care about? Do you care about having a better marriage? Do you care about a better career? Do you care about being a better leader? What’s the goal that would make doing this work worth it for you? Because that’s what I do with my executive coaches to say, I mean, my executive clients, when I’m coaching them, what’s, what do you want to have happen? Well, I want to be able to be a CEO one of these days that, you know, I want to be able to lead this company and really have it grow, I want to have a huge impact on the lives of the people that work for me, awesome. Here’s what you have to do to get there. You know, so you can think of it like a Trojan horse, the Trojan horse, is the goal they want, you know, it’s the big shiny thing. And inside is the thing that delivers it, okay. And that’s transformation. That’s the raising of your consciousness, learning how to master your emotions and, and elevating how you see and interpret the world.

Brandon Handley 57:50
That’s powerful. Right? So I mean, essentially, you know, what I’m hearing you say is, you know, give them something to make the transformation worth it, right, be like, you know, help them to identify, you know, alright, well, hey, this, this, this massive goal for you in your life that you would like to get to? Well, guess what, the one thing that’s keeping you out of, from that space is everything that you’ve ignored for the past.

Unknown Speaker 58:17
You’ve done

Brandon Handley 58:18
really well with, you know, you got good grades, you did the right things, and you climbed the right ladders for right here, right now, where you’re at, you’ve got to address the shit that you haven’t addressed. My life. And, and, and it’s important to write and I think one of the things that I always hit on when I talk with some of my clients, or even just conversations is that, again, especially as men, and I’m sure there’s plenty of women out there, too, like, we’ve been told to shut we feel like we were taught to shut down our emotions. And so we don’t even have the the tools. Yeah, to to identify them. And and that’s that that doubles the frustration too, right? We’re like, wow, what am I feeling? Like? I don’t know what it is. Is it anger, frustration is all the things and just gonna lash out? Because you have no way if you don’t know what it is, how can you?

mark youngblood 59:16
That’s exactly right. And I was raised in a spare the rod spoil the child household. And my father was pretty extreme in his punishment. And then, you know, after he’d beaten us, he would say, Stop crying, or I’m going to give you another reason to cry. And so we just weren’t allowed to cry. I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard that story from other men. Yeah. And of course, their peers shall not simply show any sort of weakness and nothing worse than to be a boy called sissy. So sadly, now, I think it’s changing. You know, it’s changing. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 59:50
would say it’s changing. It doesn’t it doesn’t, you know, it’s, we’re definitely at the changing of the guard, right. We’ve got, we’ve got the boomers that you know, kind We still are holding on to, to that as we’ve got. And I hesitate to call it like an evil society or anything like that. Because again, you know, yeah, I think that each generation serves its purpose. Yeah. move us forward. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:16
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Brandon Handley 1:00:18
So to your point that I believe, that I see changing, could it also be that I’m so saturated in this space? That that’s all I’m tuned to? I don’t know, I’m okay with either one of those two, though, to be honest with you, right. So, in order to address some of this emotional mastery do do check out, first of all, the book that Mark has mentioned, I think that that I think that’s very helpful and beneficial. And then, you know, if, if you’re looking to join the community, where should we send people mark to go ahead and join the communities? Yeah,

mark youngblood 1:00:57
so there’s a free community that I’m in periodically, because I’m finished so much time and salsa community, it’s, it’s called the radiant soul community on Facebook, and you can just search for it. And it’s free, and you can join, that’s a public community. So it, you know, it’s lovely, but it isn’t the place you go to actually tell the truth and do your work, because it’s public. But to join the soul side community, here’s the link, and I’m going to read it to you. It’s go, like the word go dot pathway to radiants.com. Ford slash soul site. So it’s go dot pathway to radiants.com, slash Ford slash salsa. And you’ll go to a page that describes what all you get in the community. And you’ll see some videos where I’ve talked to you about it. And it’s got a, you know, if you get the money back guarantee, you know, there and it’s a 30 days free, so you get to trial for 30 days. And and once you join, you can quit at any time. And and so, you know, what’s, you know, what’s the risk, right? And you get to keep the training,

Brandon Handley 1:02:18
right, I love it, who is who do you think is an ideal fit for this program?

mark youngblood 1:02:26
I think the ideal fit are the people who are starting their journey. And the people, so beginner to intermediate, I do have training for advanced, it won’t be there probably for another year. But for right now, if you’re beginner to intermediate, and you’re wanting support to really accelerate the transformation of your life, to raise your vibrational frequency to evolve your consciousness. And in doing that transform your world for the better. If you’re hungry for that, then this is the place we’re going to support you in that, we’re going to give you the tools to be able to heal and to and to let go of the stuff that’s blocking your soul light from shining. And, and you’ll, you’ll see dramatic changes and even a year, you know, you’ll see dramatic changes in a year.

Brandon Handley 1:03:24
So I’m gonna, I’m gonna just jump in here to and share that I believe that what one of the things that I really enjoy about your community and the materials that you’ve created to help accelerate the journey, or even facilitate the journey, right, not even necessarily accelerate, it could be there. But it’s in a world where there’s a lot of Whoo, which I enjoy the hell out of it. Right. I enjoy that content. And in and in the world of, you know, just corporate, you know, follow these rules, lines, and whatever you’ve created what I would, I would, I would, I would say a happy medium. Yeah. Right. Which which, which allows for anybody in off the streets to come in into a space where, you know, you’re not gonna nobody’s gonna shove CBD oils in your face. And, you know, you’re not gonna get like, I hit a pothole you as soon as you step in, and you can have real honest conversations. There’s some other groups that I’m in to where, and I’ll not say they’re not right or true or anything, but there’s something they’re not for me, really, they’re talking about, like, Oh, I was possessed by a demon. And then they go off on these, like, there’s none of that, which makes me feel more comfortable because I feel like I’m surrounded by normal people. Yeah. normal life who are on their journey, right. And so, so no, that’s

mark youngblood 1:04:49
that’s such a great point. Yeah. Thank you for calling that out. And I think I’m an everyday guy, you know, somebody who can sit down and look eye to eye with the CEO and talk to him. About how to run this business, and also someone who can guide you on a shamanic journey. You know, it’s about grounding it. You know, to me, it’s all about, can I use it to live a better life? Can I use it to bring more light into the world? Can I use this predictably to evolve my consciousness? And that’s what I care about, you know, and that’s, I think, what you were pointing out and what you’re describing

Brandon Handley 1:05:25
now 100% Exactly. So Mark, thanks for being on today. We can go over to I scroll all the way up to the top we go go that pathway to radiants calm soul side if this is a program that appeals to you, Mark and you’d mentioned a email program to His will. What if they just want to join your email list? How would they do that?

mark youngblood 1:05:50
Yeah, so to join my email list, you want to go to drain the pain calm drain just like the drain in the sink, drain the pain.com and you’ll see some information there you just sign up and and you’ll you’ll get a bunch of really great stuff right away including the drain the paint at me. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:06:12
I’m just gonna you know keep piling on the the love for Mark and the tools that he’s given here during the pain technique is really awesome. super beneficial. That was in one of our we did that one of our sessions. Together, you walk you through it, and I just did the amazing, just just amazing techniques and you’re going and you can’t sort of stuff you can’t describe as this the stuff you’ve kind of got to experience for yourself and go through it. But so for a few of you listened and you’ve made it all the way to the end here today. Head on over to drain the pain and check it out and you know, reach out to mark for some of these other awesome communities. Thanks again,

mark youngblood 1:06:48
Mark. All right. Thank you, Brian has been just an absolute pleasure.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Anthony mondo. He is an award winning director, writer, actor, acting coach, entrepreneur, author and inspirational speaker. As an acting teacher. He’s known for revolutionising a more modern understanding of acting training. He found it Anthony mine does actor workshop in 1998 and now has the largest scene studio study studio in Los Angeles and locations and nine other cities around the world, New York, London, Vancouver, Toronto, Atlanta, Santa Fe, Sydney, Chicago and Cape Town. As a filmmaker Anthony has received a number of awards and acclaim. His latest feature film, where do we go from here is available on Hulu. The film premiered at outfest won Best Screenplay award at q films Long Beach and the Jury Award at nycs East Village queer Film Festival. He’s the author of five books, including the bestsellers at left brain turn right and book the fucking job. his memoir, you knew when you were to release in September, which I got? Yeah, that’s how we connected. And thanks for being here. I’m super excited.

Anthony Meindl 1:09
Yeah, my gosh, I was like gonna fall asleep during that intro Jesus. My Suppose,

Brandon Handley 1:17
you know, I had to cut some things out. I was like, I was like, is this gonna I wanted to include though your I wanted to include? For sure your you know your film, right? Because I think that’s, that’s pretty big. Right. And that’s got to feel good. Especially going through your memoir, it’s got to feel really good for you to have that out and have won those awards.

So yeah, thanks for being here.

Anthony Meindl 1:38
Well, thanks for having me, Brandon. Like, I mean, I don’t know how spiritually dope I’m going to be today. But I will try to be my dopest. And we’ll

Brandon Handley 1:45
find out we’ll find out. Yeah, so how I like to start these right is, you know, universe speaks to us, right. And this podcast amplifies what we’re saying. And there’s gonna be one specific listener out there today, that’s going to hear the message coming from you. That’s through source. What is it?

Anthony Meindl 2:08
What’s the message? Yeah. You know, I think acceptance is really a very strong word. And really is to me, the walk, we’re all walking on life, right? Like, because in life, because at the end of the day, there’s nothing else right? Even if we fight against, like, we can use COVID as an example, even if we fight against COVID it is what it is. And it’s here. And, you know, if everybody looks at their own journey, the things that they’ve maybe railed against, or fought against, is oftentimes like a misuse of energy because, or maybe it’s necessary then to get to that place of surrender, or acceptance or letting go or, you know, so I think that the, the point that life is often trying to show us is how do we exist with what is and fighting against it is what causes a lot of suffering. When I’m not, you know, when I teach, or I talk about these things, I’m not saying I’m the master of it. I mean, I definitely know these things, more than just being concepts. I do practice them in my life, but I get triggered and challenged. And it’s it is also what it is, you know, I went for a walk yesterday, and I heard a little girl, she was like, near her fence, and she just shouted, Let it go, let it go. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is a sign from the universe because I was in my head about stuff. And I was like, This, is it accepting and letting go letting these burdens go? They’re a burden, because we make them so often, you know what I mean?

Brandon Handley 3:42
Absolutely not. I love it. Right. So acceptance and surrender, I think are some of the big ones there. And the idea of COVID is here, right? Like this is this is what are you going to do about it? Right? And if you don’t have an impact, like, if you can’t impact it, then just just let it be. Right. So let’s, let’s dig in to your, well, you know, what, actually, to it reminds me of one of the lines in your books to write of the I guess there was some, you know, spiritual master, who was a master, but he’s like, I don’t want to die. Right, right. Like and so just like you’re saying, like, even even though you are, you know, novice Dave itches, right? Like, hey, you know, everybody’s fine. And I feel good, but there’s still gonna be the days that you get angered. So talk to us a little bit about that. So knowing that, you know, all these things, but still feeling these other feelings.

Anthony Meindl 4:36
Yeah, you know, also burning Can I just I want to say one other thing about acceptance, because sometimes when people hear that they might mistake. The first meaning of that to them might mean Oh, well, that just means we’re supposed to accept injustice or accept. You know, people dying of COVID No, no, no, it’s not about inactivity. It’s not About inaction. It’s not about pretending that something isn’t there. It’s really about having this awareness that I think the point about acceptance is we have these constructs in our mind constantly about what we think life should be. And in particular what our lives should be, when I get married, it will be this, when I get successful, it will be that or today, I should be having this because I want blah, blah, blah. And then when that doesn’t happen, it creates so much strife and internal and sometimes external conflict, right. And so a more Buddhist understanding of acceptance, when I say that word is understanding that this is what it is. And then from this point, how do we invite that thing in to be a part of something that we also have to deal with? Because it’s happening? I actually think it’s the rejection of things that cause us to be in so much pain, right? Like, whether it’s the social justice movement, or things that we climate change, things that we have not addressed, eventually are going to make us contend with these things. So I just want to make sure that acceptance doesn’t mean like, pass this pass entity. And I think that also leads to the question just asked is, like, I think, I think we battle our ego. And I think that ego is necessary. It’s part of what gives us the distinction of being in this body. But we also are something other than I always love the iceberg analogy, right? Like two thirds of the iceberg is under the water that we don’t see. And we only see a third of that. And so that’s like, maybe comparable to ego, right? Like we were missing the the soul of the spirit that is hidden from us. And so we’re operating from just what we see all the time.

Brandon Handley 6:50
Well, yeah, it’s funny, you bring that up? Because that’s it exactly. I think I had this conversation twice, yesterday, once with my wife and another with a client. Just the whole iceberg analogy. I mean, one part, right, you don’t see all the all the struggle that goes into what’s on the exterior. Also, you know, the reverse thing being happiness precedes happiness. Right? So like, what’s inside here? shows up outside there, right? But from the outside, say, you’re looking at me, and you’re like, you know, he’s got all the things. And he did it by those actions. But that’s not really it wasn’t those actions. It was like the intention behind those actions. It was, you know, the thoughts and the feelings, right? That kind of built up to all those. But I love I love though, you know, acceptance is not passive, right? acceptance is, like you’re saying invited in. And I also like, the idea of the the things that we’re pushing away are kind of taking all the energy away from us, right? Have you? What’s your take on Shadow Work? Have you done Shadow Work is that something is running with?

Anthony Meindl 8:05
interesting that you say that? Because I, in my teaching of actors, right? I I’ve often talked about the shadow self. And I’ve given many lessons on like, light and, and shadow and, and without going into too much detail. But somebody wants to do some time came up to me and said, Do you do Carl young? Is it young work that you do, you know, young Ian work? And I was like, No, I’ve never I mean, I’ve been to therapy. And I’ve read Carl Jung, but I don’t really remember it. Right. And, and she said, because this is very young in what you’re doing. It’s all he was all about shadows, the shadow self. And, and so I mean, not consciously, you know, I think I tap into the universal pneus of things when I teach, like, a lot of people are like, were you ever in a and I was like, I wasn’t I’m not I don’t drink, you know, but like, I definitely tap into the principles of sort of, I think, these universal spiritual messages. And, but I mean, I think that’s a great segue that we all are channelers at some level, and that the universal principles are alive within all of us. And they’re, you know, encoded in us. And they’re also decoded, if that’s the right word, like, each person interprets the information differently. And I think, again, to have a practice that helps us have access to that more often is kind of part of being here on the planet.

Brandon Handley 9:31
What’s your biggest one acting or do you have something else? Right?

Anthony Meindl 9:34
No, it’s interesting, because when I when I work with actors, Brandon, I definitely feel like I channel like I go to I mean, that’s it’s such a, whatever that word means to people, but I definitely am. So in the moment. I don’t know what I say. Oftentimes, like today I was coaching somebody and he could see here I just, he was like, Oh my god, you got to write that down. I was like, I don’t know what I said that he would tell Really good. Because I was like, it’s brilliant. Because I don’t think I’m saying it’s right. And the person meeting the moment and me with them observing it gives the insight as to how to unlock the person. And so that is a lot of shadow stuff, too, is like, I do think it’s scary. But I think COVID is a great reminder, going into the underbelly of stuff that is very scary and confrontational is necessary for us to get to the other side of what is our purpose? Why are we here? What is this mean? Who are we like, but but if we, if we continue to go on living, like I think, especially as we had been, I think we’re, we’re really asleep at the wheel. You know, what I mean?

Brandon Handley 10:47
Not 100%, I, you know, I hate to say that, you know, with with all the deaths, and all the lock downs and how life is, is a good thing. But like, it’s also been kind of this good thing, where now we’ve got more people who are taking this time to go inside to really take stock of what’s important to them, right? The example I use all the time, my wife quit her job, so that we could, you know, homeschool our children so that they weren’t exposed to, you know, the possibility, right. And, and there’s no need to live in fear. But like, why subject yourself to that possibility when there’s an alternative? Right. And and what it’s done for us is, bring us closer together as a family really see? What had been put on us x from the exterior, right, and like, so we’re doing this from the inside out. Anyway. So, you know, it’s been a good thing. And sometimes it’s hard to see that right in the middle of it. Right?

Anthony Meindl 11:48
Well, when you’re in it, for sure. Right? That’s comparable to when you’re going through a divorce or a breakup or something tragic is happening, and, and you have to hold on, like, I’m always saying, you gotta hold on for dear life while letting go at the same time. Right? It’s both. And, and and then I think when you get to the other side, you you are like, Oh, my god that was so essential and necessary. And I think what you’re speaking of is absolutely correct. I think, yes. You don’t want people to suffer and you don’t want, you know, so many lives that were lost. And we also understand that to be from a governmental place, not having things in order, like they could have been like a lot of these deaths could have been prevented. But beyond that, I think I find it interesting that the universe is always course correcting that maybe not at this epic scale that we’re experiencing right now. But like an individual experience, like you often find, like tragedy or upset occurs in our lives to wake us up to this other life. Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 12:51
yeah. 100% So, again, thanks. Thanks for sending me the book, right. Oh, yeah. I love that. I love I love that got the where’s it so i got i love that. And, and I really enjoyed, you know, kind of gone through I had no idea what to expect. Right. And, and are to let you know, like, there’s so many pieces of it really, really touched me. Right. Just kind of, especially the piece like about your father, even at the beginning. Like there was some great laughs right, like, you getting shoved down the laundry chute. Yeah, I don’t want to give too much away. I don’t want it too many spoilers,

Anthony Meindl 13:26
right. boiler I survived it.

Unknown Speaker 13:31
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 13:32
The there was a lot of fun takeaways. Lots of underlining lots of just kind of, you know, gone through it. And just the way you told the story was a lot of fun. Right? And it wasn’t it wasn’t, it wasn’t boring. Like it was fun, right? And it was it was genuine. And you could tell that it was like 100% you. And so I just want to share that with you because I haven’t written an Amazon thing yet. So I’ll just have to go back and type this out.

Anthony Meindl 14:04
The best review you give me on Amazon was it wasn’t boring.

Brandon Handley 14:09
Just didn’t suck

Unknown Speaker 14:11
the way

Brandon Handley 14:14
so let’s talk a little bit about how you know you went from you’ve got a couple other you know, bestsellers and you’re you know, doing acting and what makes you want to become a writer and then what led you up to saying, hey, now’s the time for a memoir.

Anthony Meindl 14:28
I know like I do feel I do you have a birthday coming up next week. I feel pretty young to have a memoir. But I you know, I guess we call it a memoir, but it’s more short stories of my life. And like, you know, I maintain one of my biggest principles in my teaching for all creatives is that we all have a story. And that story of our life is the greatest expression of art, you know, waiting to be shared with the world. And it manifests differently for each person, right? It could be you’re a cook in New York City. Or you’re a ballerina, you’re an actor, you’re a writer, or whatever. And I think the, the interesting thing is the things that we have experienced in our life, at a literal level, and then at an artistic level, are are all essential on the journey of our life. And it’s like what you just said, when you’re in it, sometimes it’s really difficult to see it. But if you look back at the Mosaic, or the jigsaw puzzle of your life, and pieces starting to come together, you see themes, right. And I just for me, in my work with with artists is trying to take that autobiography out into the world in on whatever Canvas, they want to, you know, share it. And for me, it comes in many forms, whether it’s the films I’m making, or the writing I’m doing or teaching or acting myself, or, you know, but I think we do do that unconsciously. I’m just trying to, you know, how you engage with the world is a part of your autobiography, it’s been influenced by the things that Brandon has experienced how you and your wife make a dinner together. I know, it sounds so highfalutin, but it’s not it’s really infused with who we are. And I think we and, and I’m not saying these tasks aren’t also sometimes mundane. You know, writing is sometimes really boring, and I hate it. But, but I also know that it’s, it’s purposeful. And so that’s what I try to teach people is how to honor their autobiography. Because so many people Brendan, I think your listeners and and like you were saying earlier about people that you know, see the external or we don’t, especially in our media obsessed culture, we see somebody who is successful. And we don’t, we are only getting like, they’re, you know, they’re they’re opening night, we don’t see the dress rehearsal. So we’re comparing our lives that we often think is like a train wreck to something that’s presented to us as law. And we then then we link, I think, do a snow job on ourselves thinking, I suck, I’m untalented, I’m stupid, I’m not worthy. My story, nobody cares. And that’s when I think we, we lose sort of the, I don’t know, connection to the magic of our autobiography. We cannot compare. That’s just the problem.

Brandon Handley 17:19
Right? Right. Well, it’s, it’s the whole idea and is the cliche, life is what you make it right. Like when you’re talking about, hey, when you come into the kitchen, and you’re and you’re cooking with somebody else, then it, it can be an amazing moment. You can make that a miraculous moment. Or it can be right or it can be like, right, yeah. And so, but in the end there, too, what you’re talking about in my mind, right? I love to like, you know, make you purposeful, and living your biography. But you get to this point where you start to, you’re like you’re talking about why would anybody want to read my thing? Why would anybody want to participate? You’re making yourself small in that moment, right? Yeah. And that doesn’t serve anybody. Right? Like, where I didn’t really find in your memoir, and maybe it’s because reading too fast, but I don’t really find the space where you decided that acting was kind of like your purpose. And you felt like you needed to be on the stage to share all of who you were. So where was that?

Anthony Meindl 18:27
I mean, I maybe, you know, in this, I’m writing other stuff. You know, maybe I will revisit that. Like, I’m just curious. Yeah, no, no, it’s a great question. I, because I remember distinctly, I remember hat going out for dinner with my parents and telling them I wanted to be an actor. And, you know, they were like, Huh, but then they were like, Okay, my dad again was like, if that’s what you want to do, you know, he was like, go and do it. You know, they’ve always been really supportive. But I think, I guess in answer to that question, I just have always felt like not an entertainer, but like an expresser. of, of things. And I feel even more than being an actor. I’ve always been a teacher. Like if I go back and look at my own spiritual life as a child, and like, just the things that I was interested in. I and in my role in the family, I’ve always been the mediator, even though I’m the youngest one. All my siblings, and my parents kind of come to me as the sort of what did they say? And you know what I need? Right? So it’s interesting that I’ve always kind of, and I was always obsessed, you’re too young to know this but all your lives nobody will know this. But when I was in high school, I took this class call. It’s so it’s so hilarious. Anyway, it was called I, oh, gosh, I think I can or something like it was I can’t No, it was called. I can clap. Oh, wow. I hadn’t thought about this forever. And it was written by it was a class about having a positive mental attitude about life. And it was the teachings of Zig Ziggler I love Zig. You you’ve heard of Zig right? I love

Brandon Handley 20:03
Yeah. Yeah, I’m newer.

Anthony Meindl 20:05
Right? And so born to win. Yes. I will never forget, I was in the 10th grade. And I took I took the class because like, it was a pass fail. And it was I could get out of math and take that class. Right. But something deeper must have made me want to take it. And since then, I’ve always been obsessed with this sort of, yeah, dawning consciousness of what it means to think our way into the world, you know, not mind over matter. Its mind into matter. You know what I mean? I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 20:42
I love that. The Zig Zig has a lot of fun. Right. And and I think that he was, he was kind of before his time. Oh, right. In this space, yeah. And this face. And he’s actually, that’s actually probably how we’re talking today to be to be quite honest with you. So it was through a book of his that I read and ended up down this this path.

Anthony Meindl 21:07
Oh, see? Yeah, that’s, that’s funny. It’s interesting that you start to find these, you know, connective tissues throughout our lives. Right. And you’re right, yeah. That the whole wellness movement and meditation movement, and he was one of the original thought, you know, forward thinking people about, you know, how to live our best life. It’s interesting. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:31
Yeah. So the, the, the, a lot of the a lot of this podcast is based off of, you know, finding your spirituality, right, how you found your spirituality, and how have you leveraged that, like, for your success, or found a more fulfilling life because of it? Right. So why don’t we talk a little bit about how you, you know, became the spiritual guy?

Anthony Meindl 21:54
Well, you know, I also, I think it’s a great moment, Brendon, to tell people like, our spirit is innate. Like, it’s, I think, I think, again, with social media and like anything, if we, sometimes when I like, will watch somebody talking about spirituality in a certain way that I like, I sometimes I find it challenging because it can, again, create this sort of schism in ourselves thinking, we’re not doing spirituality the right way, or I don’t always feel love for God, or mean, or I want to just say, fuck you, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Oh, that’s all that’s the real spirit. The real stuff is right. With it, and we our culture, loves to live in this sort of, like, you know, they call it on social media like oh my god, something positivity, like toxic positivity. Yeah, there’s

Brandon Handley 22:53
that there’s that I’ve got. I’ve got answers for that, though. Okay, but well, so my answer for the there Yes, there is. Toxic positivity. That’s the, you know, like you were talking about earlier, in the acceptance piece is just like, oh, not taking action, right? Same, same thing. But positivity doesn’t mean like, hey, everything’s fucking great. Positivity simply means we’re moving forward, there is a positive space here was like, all this shit just went down. Guess what? We’re gonna keep moving through it. Right? And, and the thing that you’re talking about here is not in my mind. It’s like, the genesis of spiritual dope is that spirituality is gritty, right? Like, there is a certain like, element of, you know, you are washed up, beat up, dried off, and you are coming back together, like kind of, you know, hopefully stronger than you were before, or whatever. But like, you get to it, you get through a certain point in a degree. It doesn’t have to be like that. But then here’s what happens. people forgot like, who they were, like, you know, maybe two months ago, right? Like, you were the person like two months ago, like, you know, I don’t know what I see some I saw somebody like saying, Hey, you know, we used to, I used to, you know, do cocaine and ecstasy and lick like, whatever off my wife’s nipples or whatever. Now we’re getting mad at each other because I lied to the dog was a meme that I saw. Yeah. So spirituality is just that they’re like, you forget, like, where you came from? You’re like, hey, yeah, you know, you did all those fucking things. And you were, nobody’s saying or even. Not a mess now. Right? But you’ve got like, I love the moment. So share the moment where you truly, at least in the book, right, you connected like with spirituality right before a book fell on you.

Anthony Meindl 24:35
Yeah, I think like what we’re talking about, of like, you know, grappling with, again, the questions why we’re here. How do we, how do I make meaning of this life? And there’s got to be something more right. And I was always searching with those things. And the shorts or I had an acting teacher who asked me Do I meditate after a scene one time and I was like, No, and she’s like, and I literally had, like, No, I mean, grapple with these things. But I didn’t have an outward process or practice of spirituality, right? She’s like, I want you to start meditating. And I was like, how and she’s like, I don’t know, take a candle do what you ever want. So I started with, you know, I was just like, oh, and I was like, This is so boring. Then my friend but that’s this is the funny thing is when you know, the pupil is ready that the the guru appears kind of thing. So weirdly enough, my friend gave me a book around that time, and up until then, he knew him to be very spiritual, but he’d never really know engaged with me maybe that way. So he gave me this book by paramahansa Yogananda. And I was like, What’s this? It’s like, 500 pages. This is way too long and boring. And I was like, Okay, thank you. And I put it away, cut to I moved to LA and I took that book and everything for I was living in New York City at the time, right? When I moved to LA, and I was like, in my place, my apartment at the time, like three or four months. And I was I literally, that book fell off the shelf. And it’s weird, because it wasn’t even it was in the back of my shelf. I don’t even know how it happened because it was buried with books. Like, I’m never gonna read this. It’s never, and I picked it up. And in that moment, I was ready to read it. And I read it. And I was like, Oh, my God, what’s happening to me? Right, and it was just an awakening and opening an aha, like, my heart was very full. And I talked about it in the book. Like, I felt a tremendous amount of love that I it was, like a real thing. And then it disappeared. I was like, Oh, my gosh, how do you get that again?

Brandon Handley 26:40
Right. Right. Right. Okay, so I so 100% that I identified with that so hard, because I went through a similar experience. Right. And, and, and, and so it was great. It’s always great when you’re like, Hey, I’m not the only one. Right. Right. And then and then the other thing that I found very interesting was, I haven’t read that book yet. But I just watched a just watched a documentary on him.

Anthony Meindl 27:10
The Netflix documentary? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:14
Yeah, it was one of them. Right? Like Netflix, or Gaia or whatever. You know,

Anthony Meindl 27:19
it’s called, um, you’re the name of it. Not into the light.

Brandon Handley 27:27
I don’t remember the name of it.

Anthony Meindl 27:28
Okay. But but it’s worth watching. It’s a beautiful documentary.

Brandon Handley 27:32
It was really yeah. So it was really well done. But you know, so the my biggest takeaway, though, was wasn’t just about him. And it was so awesome. Right? was super cool. Was that Steve Jobs left that book behind. Right, his funeral. That’s right. So Andy, and like, you know, since we’re in this synchronistic kind of space, right, I’ve read I wrote an article on just that. This past week. And that was like, the day before I read that chapter. I was like, shop. So and, and and so So did you move out there then? And have you been to the US and our house?

Anthony Meindl 28:07
Yep. So I went to Yeah, I’ve done every I mean, I went to India and I spent time in one of his ashrams there, and like, you know, I wasn’t really I didn’t convert to like, Guru is, um, you know, I’ve been very cautious about, you know, because you you read, or you watch documentaries about major cults, and you’re like, Oh, my God, that could have been me, you know, it’s like, I’m always like, Oh, my God, by grace. And and I’m not judging these people, because they come to that aspect with such an open heart and these things that we’re talking about seeking and wanting to know more and but, you know, with Yogananda was very practical. It was like, there is a way out of this suffering. Just do your practice, get over it. Like, it’s really, you meditate, you get your butt in the chair, and you do it. And I’ll say to the great thing about when people come to me and ask about Yogananda, or about any kind of meditation, what I always advocate because he says this, and I found it to be true for myself. After I read that book. I did not I didn’t just sort of go to him only I it opened me to I did have a passionate retreat. You know, I did everything I did. I Alaska, I went on the journey of finding what felt right for me. I went to India a couple times. And so I think when somebody is is open, then you just have to I did tm, like I did, you know, you try many different things, and then you’ll find, like, what feels right. So that’s been and it changes and it can change, you know?

Brandon Handley 29:44
Yeah, no, absolutely. I agreed, right? It, it speaks to resonance. And I hate I hate I hate resonating with anything but it’s the truth, right, like you’ll find you’ll find exactly the kind of, this is the space you should be in right now. And this resonating with me the strikes a chord my body’s like, it feels this feels amazing.

Unknown Speaker 30:05
Right? Right. Right. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:06
So the I wasco was was actually pretty funny too

Unknown Speaker 30:12
loud. Yeah. It’s funny.

Brandon Handley 30:14
I mean, tell us tell us a little bit about like, I mean, would you recommend somebody who’s a seeker? Does the same trip that you did like down down to? Where do you head down to? I

Anthony Meindl 30:24
think, yes, I did it in Brazil. Also, I have a good friend, who also teaches with me, she did it in Peru A number of years ago. But you know, it’s interesting reading because this was way before I Alaska has become what it’s become, like, I don’t know which coast you’re on or where you are. But I’m on the west coast and like, they’re, they do Iosco ceremonies here, technically, illegally, like, all the time, it’s become very, I think it’s great. Like, why not, however, comma, you know, I think it you kind of, and I’m not a purist about everything, because everything changes and to have access to ceremony. And to that wisdom is great, right. But I do think, for me, I was going through a horrible breakup, and it was in a lot of pain, in a way I had never experienced and my friend recommended. So this was only got 2008. So how many years ago is that? Right? So 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I, I just I literally she told me about it, I went online to the place, she said, I booked it without even knowing what it was. And then I did a deep dive into what it was. And I was like, Oh, my God, and I was like, I gotta get my money back. So I could literally call the guy and I was like, um, you know, and I don’t think this is my thing. He talked me off the ledge. I’m glad he did. Right. And then I went there. And I had this whole amazing experience of being in nature and the shaman was from that area. And so I think there’s something to be said about doing it. You know, it’s like anything like going to India? You can’t find anything that replaces India except the experience of India. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 32:06
Yeah. Yeah. So it’s just diminishes the kind of the truth of it,

Anthony Meindl 32:12
maybe, yeah, maybe. And I know that there’s, I’m sure there’s some great healers and and, and teachers of Iosco that have moved to LA or whatever. And so it’s fine. Just I want people to make sure that they know, you know, just make sure you know, the source, that’s all.

Brandon Handley 32:27
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right. Definitely, you definitely don’t want to take away from it. So how do you feel then? You know, when, when you went through, like kind of this and awakening process, right, there’s about the same time that you started your school? Right, is around that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 32:46
yeah. I mean, I started my school, literally, around the time that book fell off my shelf. So in 1998,

Unknown Speaker 32:53
yeah. So,

Anthony Meindl 32:54
I mean, I’ve been teaching, you know, prior to them, but it really kind of coalesced there. And I just, I felt a very strong message to at the time. Now, when I look back, I was not, I don’t want to say ahead of my time, I was in the right place at the right time, because the message that I was teaching was all kind of like conscious awareness through our work. And it was very spiritual and very much about presence essence, the moment, The Power of Now, all of those things before they’ve become so much, you know, they’re, they’re so cultural now. But I and I was kind of like an outcast at first, because it was very Mooney, still in the 90s in the early 2000s, you know, what I mean? And now that work, the work has caught up with itself. And I am very blessed to have been teaching this for 25 years, because I do find that this is, this is where we are heading, you know, you know, well, I think culturally look at this is a great conversation we’re having you have a podcast called spiritual dope, you know, like, I teach from a very spiritual place and, and there’s no shame around using the word soul or spirit or consciousness as our real and it’s hard to I also think it used to get a bum rap, but it was so like a llama dama ding dong, and like airy fairy, it’s science. Now we know what our brain does. When we meditate. We know what happens when we reduce stress levels and reduce cortisol release from our body, you know what it means? So it’s, it’s those things that were fringe during Steve Jobs time, right, right, are are not fringe anymore. And to have a language around it is it’s a real thing. So it’s exciting.

Brandon Handley 34:36
It absolutely is very exciting. What do you think the future of it is for us in this area?

Anthony Meindl 34:43
Well, you know, I’m sure. You know, every prognosticator has so many things to say about 2020 and 2021. And I’m like, Jesus, I mean, Brendon, here’s my thought about I Oh, I’m feeling like I’m gonna cry. I do cry a lot. Don’t worry. It’s just tears of joy. I do feel I don’t know. That’s the first thing. Nobody fucking knows camera should

Unknown Speaker 35:06
say that. Yeah, you’re right.

Anthony Meindl 35:08
Maybe maybe a guru in India knows but I don’t know, I think

Unknown Speaker 35:13
my

Anthony Meindl 35:15
where I take some sort of have peace I read this book during COVID or a couple months back called, oh my god, it’s called kindred and it’s about our Neanderthal on Neanderthal cousins, right? And just what the planet was like, during their time and how they were not these brutish, you know, brutes, you know, unsophisticated and uncultured. And they were actually, like, I don’t know, quite advanced, really, you know what I mean. And, to me, it was a watershed moment, in a way because I, I kept thinking about during there, and I wrote a piece about this recently, but how during their time, there was no an early homosapiens, there was, there was no destination. Being on this planet, there was no ending to get to all of life was only journeying. And we still in our DNA, we are journey men and women, we are nomads, right? It is in our, our system to want to travel and to keep migrating, right. And I think for me, reading that book made me Just think about the the constant journey that we’re all on. It’s an and I guess my point, sorry, I was gonna say was like, they wouldn’t have even known what the word destination was, because it was all journeying. And it was all uncertainty. And that, to me, is so powerful to live in that place. Because we as a modern culture, because of the modern conveniences that we’ve become sort of asleep, because of we have fallen asleep to the truth that we are still in uncertainty, we are still in the unknown, we are still on the great journey. I don’t care that you can go to the target and buy yourself, you know, underwear for $9 it you at Target isn’t a real thing in the big scheme of things. What’s target you’re aiming? Like we’re journeying? Yeah. And there’s you you we have successes and milestones. And those are all things to be celebrated. And I love that we have technology that that creates so many things for us. And yet, we don’t want to lose sight of the journey.

Brandon Handley 37:44
Yeah, no, I love I love the idea to have, you know, it’s it’s all uncertainty, right? and always has been, always has been, and you know, COVID prove that out. Right? Like COVID is like, Hey,

Unknown Speaker 37:57
hello. Yeah.

Anthony Meindl 37:59
On a rock spinning in the middle of dark matter.

Brandon Handley 38:03
Right, right. Yeah, good luck, guys. Uh, and, and the idea to, you know, when you’re talking about, like, all these things that are being mass produced, you know, getting something from Target that’s being mechanically produced, it just kind of makes me think a little bit to have the experience, right, like, you can go I can maybe I can go out to LA maybe find somebody like, you know, off the streets and and, and, you know, have that iOS experience. But am I gonna have to deal with fucking snakes? Am I gonna have to drop off like, you know, go through a couple plane hops go to the river, you know, deal with the tarantula and all that other shit? No. And I mean, there’s, there’s something lost in in that actual journey. Like, if it’s super accessible. Yes, the joy in that, like, you know what I mean, it kind of diminishes the I don’t know, it. Well,

Anthony Meindl 38:51
that speaks to our disconnect from journeying. The, the uncertainty that is the truth about existence, being too reliant on like, our phones and things and buildings, and like what we’ve become accustomed to right. And also, I think it speaks to the biggest challenge we’re facing is, is our disconnect from nature. And so that’s again, we’re part of that that’s, that’s an impulse and a pulse inside us. And I think we’re at to our detriment, we’re seeing how we have separated ourselves from this matrix, if you will, the nature matrix, and that that’s one thing that I think people are not aware of. The planet will be fine. Yeah, it will, again, turn into another been six or five other mass extinctions and it will turn into something else. Right, you know, but it’s interesting to really think about Wow, we’ve made the thing that isn’t real real.

Brandon Handley 39:54
That’s fair. That’s fair. I enjoyed your your what you took the piece of Want to pay you to the toilet paper roll? And you did that? Oh, you saw that? Yeah. How long? How long have we been here? We’re like, you know? Like, not even nothing,

Unknown Speaker 40:07
right? Nothing, right?

Brandon Handley 40:09
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs weren’t like, hey, they’ll never get rid of us. Right?

Anthony Meindl 40:13
And then in a flash were gone. Right? Isn’t it crazy?

Brandon Handley 40:17
Maybe they just packed up and flew off, though. Come on, we don’t know nothing about him. He don’t know. Don’t know, we don’t know. So let’s talk a little bit about like, you know, how, how is acting, you know, kind of beneficial during even like COVID uncertain times or just in in a in a matter of finding yourself in flow and being able to express yourself. Tell me a little bit about that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 40:42
I always say, and I guess maybe I should just march to Congress and do it myself. I wish somebody could hook me up with, you know, a congressional page or someone, I feel like I should go teach an acting class to everybody in Congress, because the art of acting is the art of empathy and compassion. And what we’ve lost, you know, again, it makes me really sad, is this ability to stand opposite someone we may not agree with, or be in conflict with, but still see their humanity and still, to let them in? And I think acting does that, that you that actually through conflict, you have resolution. So I think conflict is really an important. And it’s, it’s kind of what’s evolved us, as you know, as a species as from organisms to it’s not been easy for anybody or anything, you know, that to be alive on this planet is churning, constantly churning to evolve into something else. So there is going to be conflict, but conflict does not have to necessarily mean what’s it’s not a pejorative, I guess you know what I mean? In other words, like, I guess I heard the other day that it’s, it’s thinking more in terms of like, even, let’s say a lion attacks a zebra, right, and kills the zebra high conflict. And it sounds like one person, one animal wins, the other doesn’t. But if you then step back and see that it’s all part of the system, it’s actually a cooperation. It’s it’s like, it’s all part of this thing. But I think if once we become fractured, and we don’t see that opposing views are also part of a thing. That’s why we are, I think, in trouble. Because it’s not black or white. It’s not republicans are bad. And democrats are correct. It’s not. It’s really about. We need both. It’s Yin and Yang. You see what I’m saying? its shadow in light. Yeah. So I don’t know if that answered your question. But I don’t know. I did. It didn’t. But I guess my point is acting is the exploration of all of that. And I think everybody should take an acting class, because you’re more in tune with, I think it’s the scariest thing for many, many people. I teach a very well known. WW. How many W’s are there WWF? Or www f whatever?

Brandon Handley 43:14
The rescue? Yeah, I think two Yeah, two dogs.

Anthony Meindl 43:18
Or maybe he’s a famous boxer. Lightweight by godsey is terrible. I don’t know those sports. But anyway, he either you would know. And then I can tell you when we’re done. But I mean, I’ve interviewed him for my podcast, so it’s fine. I can name names, but um, but he even said he was the world lightweight champion, or whatever category class he was in. And he said, Tony, being an acting class with you was scarier than fighting for that crown. And, and I think it speaks to having to be vulnerable and exposed and to share ourselves. So that’s why people should take class,

Brandon Handley 43:58
to be able to connect with that right to be able to connect with themselves and and to put them out there and share that right. I think it’s that sharing part that really holds a lot of people back, how’s acting help, you know, helping that person get over that?

Anthony Meindl 44:13
Well, I think we’ve become less self conscious about ourselves. And also, we have so much shame Brandon around, you know, we have so much shame around our feelings, our thoughts, behaviors, our past, the mistakes we’ve made people we’ve hurt, and again, realizing it’s also part of the journey. If we’re contrite, and we’ve learned and we’ve made amends. It doesn’t define it’s one part of a chapter, you know, it’s not even a chapter, it’s maybe a paragraph, you know, but I think we were in a shame based culture. Sometimes we don’t have a we don’t have a relationship to that stuff. That’s also an important conversation to have the shadow stuff. So instead, we go underground with it, which then becomes more toxic and more painful. It leads to you know, there’s no doubt That these things then lead to unhealthy expression whether that’s opioid abuse or, you know, whatever, it’s the toxicity it finds its way.

Brandon Handley 45:12
Yeah, look, I mean, it’s gonna make its way out each each thought is a seed, right? You know and and, and you know if you look at you know you you live in LA right you walk down the street cement is broken by grass seeds right that type of thing so I’m in a seat is a seat it’s gonna find its own way to express itself right and you know, we’re humans that’s what we do we express that’s we show up to express and it’s really interesting how that shows up. So, di di Did you find anything writing this book about yourself that you had forgotten about? You weren’t aware of? Were you able to share something through this book that you was like a major release for you just curiosity? Yeah, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 45:56
I mean, I think I’ve always been on this journey of like, for me, I was bullied a lot. And so I think that everybody has suffered from bullying in one form or the other. Even the bullies that perpetrate the bullying are really probably victims of either their own self bullying or are scared of or threatened by the people that they bully, you know what I mean? And so nobody escapes it and and and yet, so it’s caused a lot of damage, but it’s also put me on this path of healing and teaching and, and also seeing that it’s created my art it’s really helped me have a voice and and hopefully help inspire people in finding their voice through their pain and their struggles. And, and so I think, I think for me, it’s been all these things help heal. And and yeah, I had a lot of epiphanies. When my editor told me, she’s like, I told her when I was in therapy, because at one time I complained to my therapist, I was like, is everything you have to do with our childhood? Oh, my God. And I had great parents, as you can probably guess, by

Unknown Speaker 47:00
reading the book, like your mom

Brandon Handley 47:02
says, I want to know more about your mom, though, too. Like, she just seemed like the badass. Right? Like, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 47:07
yeah, she’s very private, like, but but but but even having great parents. Like, it’s funny, because they say having read the book, they weren’t too happy at first, because they thought it depicted them as terrible parents. Wow, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys, it’s a love letter to you. It just goes to show you our stuff doesn’t help us see things clearly. Right? So my editor said, I want you to whatever you’re talking about in therapy, when you have an image of a story that comes to you, I want you to start writing it down. I was like, Do I have to? Just like, yeah, so that’s how the genesis of the book occurred. So we all have stories, Brandon, that’s my point.

Brandon Handley 47:48
Not I love that. I was just curious if there was like anything that really just um, you know, jumped out at you that, you know, you hadn’t thought about for years or, again, was able to just you were able to just really release something. Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 48:00
what can I say? I’ve said this, I had the guy have a lesson about it. One person’s tragedy is another person’s Tuesday. Because this is true. That’s a good quote. I’ve never said that way before. I’m going to use that. But I think I have it in my book. Because my brother, one of the things that I realized is when I wrote the book, and I shared with my brothers some of the things, my brother is that an amazing human being, and we’re very close. But we, you know, I was this gay, little kid that didn’t even know what being gay was. And so he made fun of me, like any brothers would, you know, beat up or make fun of their younger brother. Right?

Brandon Handley 48:35
Especially during that time, right? Like, that was a very nice times. Yeah, that’s

Anthony Meindl 48:38
right. And so I in the book, I have a really haunting story about an event that occurred with my brother, you know, making fun of me or bullying me in a way about being gay. And it affected me so much. And yet, when I shared with him about it, he’s like, Oh, God, Tony. I don’t even remember that. Yeah. Right. He was so apologetic. So it just made me realize, like, oh, gosh, for me carrying that around. That was like a really intense moment. And for him, it was just a Tuesday.

Brandon Handley 49:12
Yeah. Yeah, but so sounds like you had an opportunity to kind of release that right. Oh, for sure. And that that was no, it’s amazing when you get to release something like that. Just how much lighter you feel?

Anthony Meindl 49:24
Yes, absolutely. And forgiveness and, you know, all kinds of things.

Brandon Handley 49:29
So I’m gonna move it back into spirituality just for a second. Yeah, you use that for you know, that’s that’s basically your coaching, right? Like your coaching is your spiritual practice. You know, you’ve gone to India you’ve had chased, you know, you’ve done the soul searching, you’ve been the seeker. But without spirituality without you know, kind of developing and honing your practice. You wouldn’t be as fulfilled as you are now safe to say.

Anthony Meindl 49:57
I mean, it’s impossible to answer random because There’s only been this unfolding there is a you can’t put that back in the bag. I’ve got a friend of mine,

Brandon Handley 50:06
a friend of mine, he goes, is he could use the acronym Tina, there is no alternative. You know, but you know, if you look at, you know, I guess the kind of the pre the pre awakening and pre spiritual Tony versus, you know, novice a Tony?

Unknown Speaker 50:26
Ah,

Anthony Meindl 50:26
I mean, I think that they still are so interconnected. You know. And I think again, I think the thing for our your listeners is to remember that spirit abides within us whether we have a conscious relationship or dialogue with it, it’s there. And it’s there to be awakened whenever you’re meant for it to be awakened. And so for me, it was always something that was a part of my experience, even if I didn’t know how to label it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 50:54
agree with that. Right? Isn’t? You said it a couple times. It’s in a right. It’s everybody. It’s in everybody. Right? is and what I like, though, what you just said there was like, addressing it consciously. For me, I did, right? for 40 years, I was like, I was like, I got all this other shit to do. Right? And then then my spirit was like, I was like, Well, what do you want? Right? I’m very similar to your, you know, your moment, like there was like this. You know, days, maybe weeks, I forget exactly how long like you’ve got this kind of natural, vibrant body. Hi, you’re like, I didn’t miss anything. I didn’t take anything. And so what’s happening right now, you know, in my mind, after talking to several people, it could only be one thing. Right? So but it’s it’s inside of everybody. And having that conscious conversation with it, I think is the important thing, and not giving up who you already are kind of really loose back into this too. Because, like you said, You’re not separate from who you ever were just because like, you know, you have this spiritual moment. It’s not changing yourself either. Right. And we talked about like the the grittiness, allowing it to still be gritty, like, I mean, yeah, it’s okay.

Anthony Meindl 52:12
It’s work, right? I mean, it is work. It’s a relationship like any other. I also think though, as I’ve gotten older, I have a birthday next week. And I, I, when I look back at those stories I told or when I think about even my 30s, cuz I’m gonna be 53. I’m like, whoa, I’m a completely different Tony. And if, if you follow science, right, they say, cellularly, your body is regenerated every seven years or something like that, or so I am, like, at a atomic place, I am completely a cellular place, I’m different. But also your awareness and your evolution. If you do work on yourself, you are changed. I don’t even really identify with that, Tony. So every decade or every year, really, you’re a different person, which is so cool. That also speaks to how people can change even though I know there’s the saying that you can’t change someone, but we do change.

Brandon Handley 53:05
Rod, you had a great line in the book too, about realizing in a relationship that, you know, you can’t change somebody realize you can’t change anybody that the only thing is leftovers, like love or something like that. That was like a really good was a good line. It’s right. And it is and then the other part, too, that you mentioned there was your awakening was a Saturn, you know, rebirth away, you know? 29 so I’m in I’m in one of those this year, I think. So, which is also just more entertainment value for me as I’m reading the book. Anyways, listen, I you know, I identified with it, you know, you know, it must have been a challenge, you know, sounds like it was a challenge, especially growing up gay in the Midwest, right? I’m actually from San Francisco, born in San Francisco in the 70s. I was back out there in the 80s. And, you know, I always I embraced gay, you know, growing up, right, like, I wasn’t gay, but I was like, it was there. So it was just like, hey, right, that’s just part of part of life. Right. So, but then to, you know, kind of, you know, be able to express that run your business and and, you know, fully express yourself. I think that’s super awesome to be able to see who you are and to Yeah, well, thank

Anthony Meindl 54:15
you, Brandon. I feel like I’ve known you and I, it’s so great to have this talk about I’m so inspired. Like, I feel like I can I have to go teach it a little bit. But I feel like oh my god, the class tonight is gonna get an extra dose of spiritual dope ism. Now. That’s right. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 54:31
Get your head. Right. So get your commercial dope, Tony. Thanks again for being on Where should I go and send? Is there anything else that you want to you want to cover anything else you want?

Unknown Speaker 54:42
covered at all? Awesome.

Brandon Handley 54:44
Where should we send people to go hang out and find you? Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 54:48
I mean, I guess if they’re interested in my work, I guess, acting related or otherwise, you can go to our website www dot Anthony meindl memd elle.com and then you can always find me on Instagram, just Anthony meindl I’m on Twitter, but I don’t really use Twitter. I just, it’s too much so but so but I am on Instagram because I like photos. So, you know, you can always hit me up there and, you know, I really do try to answer people’s questions if they DM me and I try to be in service as best I can. So,

Unknown Speaker 55:24
yeah, awesome. Thanks again.

Unknown Speaker 55:27
Thanks, man.

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Connect with Adam Walton on his website here: https://thementalmasteryalliance.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there Spiritual Dope, this is your host with the most the voice of a generation. Brandon Handley. And I’m on today with the Adam Walton. Adam. What are you running these days? Man? What Where should I? You know, even if I just say it, I think the I know you best is the mental mastery, but I believe you’re the mental mastery Alliance now.

Adam Walton 0:26
I’ve always been the mental mastery Alliance.

Brandon Handley 0:30
So there you go. You know, I know Adam as he’s one of my first coaches, Adams actually the person that gave me that line that I that I just threw out at the beginning, they’re the the voice of a generation without Adam. You would not have the voice of a generation does know that. I think he did that. Right.

Adam Walton 0:48
I did kind of know that. Yeah. But I mean, the reality is, they would have the voice of a generation because my friend, you still exist. And you were partially there, I just figured why not glorified. And that, that’s, it’s it’s 100%. Sure, like you really have to envision what you want. And just like anyone that’s getting started in anything that’s new, it’s really hard to believe in yourself. So when you start announcing yourself as the voice of a generation, you live up to your monitors, you really step into that power. So it’s not like you have to, you know, slow it down or play small, you know, when you are the voice of a generation, which you currently are right now. You stepped right into it.

Brandon Handley 1:30
I love it. I always like to say that. And I it’s funny, every time I say this, I always expect somebody to send something to me. But nobody’s ever said that I can’t be the voice of a generation.

Adam Walton 1:41
Right? You’ve also never specified which generation so all the haters can beat

Brandon Handley 1:46
the hell out. So I usually like to start this with a phone one, right? The The idea is that the universe, God, whatever speaks through us, right? And somebody listening to this podcast right now is going to get a message that can only be delivered through source through Adam Walton to them, what does that message, do more.

Adam Walton 2:12
Simply put, do more, no matter what you’re doing right now do more. And that’s that’s the one piece of advice that will get you from where you are to where you need to be. If you there’s there’s a there’s a statement, when you have a job, when you work for somebody, when somebody is hired you to complete their tasks. always deliver more than is expected. And when you do that, you change the way you operate. sequentially, you change the way you operate mentally, you change the way you operate physically and spiritually. If you’re saying I am tasked to do this thing, then that is the limitation you put on yourself, that is what you will do. And you will do a basic job of it. When you do more than is expected.

Unknown Speaker 3:00
You’ll always amplify.

Adam Walton 3:04
In other words, your tasks, you’ll amplify your output. And when you amplify your output, you feel it internally. So without trying to seek praise from anyone or anything anywhere, other than how you feel about yourself, always do more.

Brandon Handley 3:25
I mean, I think it’s pretty, it’s pretty powerful message. how,

Adam Walton 3:28
you know, what’s a good example of that? Because I think that I know that for myself. You know, historically, it’s like do more as I do more of what, how right? What would you tell somebody do more looks like? Just like you said, do more of what and how if you’re going to take up the moniker of doing more. And then you ask yourself, what more can I do? Well, now you’ve got an you know, you’ve got to give yourself an answer. And when you do you execute on doing more so simply by asking the question you have effectively done more. Also, when you’re on that line of thought, you have the ability to to create more. And there are so many times and I’ll tell you this just like the more you try to push in anything and the more you try to do something positive you’re gonna get you’re you know, you’re gonna get a pushback, a naysayer, anything. Because if you’re if you’ve decided at this moment in time that you’re going to step into your purpose, for example, know that if you’ve not started this journey, you are starting from the beginning. But the beginning is a little bit into the race and into the race, you’re still in the crowd. And that crowd is of people you joined a race with that wasn’t your race to begin with. So the people that will say the negative things or the people that will get inside your mind are the people you associated with before you became I would say aware before you became self aware before you became spiritually aware before you started this journey at all. On this path, on this journey, you are going to unload these people one by one, so that you can make room for the new people that are in this journey on this path with

Unknown Speaker 5:11
you.

Adam Walton 5:12
It’s not a good thing. It’s not a bad thing. It is merely an experience. So embrace all of the negativity, embrace all of the uncertainty because it is those uncertain moments that is those negative moments that create the positive view. Five years from now, one year from now next week.

Brandon Handley 5:31
Yes, sure. I mean, you can look at any event or an experience is coming into your life right now. As a negative right now, like, you know, you say, hey, this negative is COVID, right? You just had whichever you gallbladder taken out, whichever.

Unknown Speaker 5:46
My gallbladder tried to kill me, right? Yes,

Brandon Handley 5:50
yeah. And and I think, if you were telling me, you know, you we connected a couple weeks back, and he said that he just came out of hospital. And I think I asked you, I said, Well, you know, were you it was your back? You? Weren’t you laid out for about a year or so with your back as well. Correct? Yeah.

Adam Walton 6:06
So what what happened with me on that on that the back part was when I really stepped into my purpose, the world without my own desire, or anything slowed me down, basically put me in bed for a year. That gives you time to think.

Brandon Handley 6:25
So does, you know, but talk to me a little bit about going through that. And before we even got fired up here, I think, you know, when you and I first connected, I wouldn’t have put you, I think in the spiritual journey space. You may have been on your way, right. But somewhere along the way, you and I both kind of started sprinting or running towards this spirituality bit. Where did you get like this kind of fever, the bite

Adam Walton 7:01
when you and I first met, I wasn’t allowed to be myself based on contracts negotiated at the time I was a entity of another unit. So my spirituality started, my spirituality started when I was born. I never fit in, I was never part of the third dimension, I was never somebody who looked at something and agreed with the television agreed with the narrative agreed with getting a job, I questioned everything since birth. And it’s been referred to as a fourth dimensional entity, I arrived here as a fourth dimensional entity. You don’t know what that means, obviously, because when you live in the third dimension, you have to look at all this shit, that doesn’t make any sense. But you have to look at it all. Now, when you and I crossed paths, I was living my best life. As a sales coach. And as somebody who had the ability to see into people’s souls, I utilize both skills. Coaching was coming naturally, next, and the dark night of the soul is the main thing that pushes people into the next reality. I’ve gone through probably about four of them in the past three years, where I’ve been forced to deal with myself. So when you step into purpose, when you step into your ascension, your light your journey, your reason for being here, a lot of other bullshit disappears. A lot of stuff that that is not necessarily goes away. And what I find entertaining about that moment is everybody has this preconceived notion of what a spiritual person is. And I don’t live up to any of those preconceived notions. I come from a very cruel background, I come from a ruthless background, to be honest. And it’s been said that you need to be capable of evil, to be able to spread positivity to be able to be capable of pure positivity, because anyone can be nice. But to be capable, and understanding there must be a contrast. So anyone can be something but if you’re truly capable of evil, and you choose against it, or you learn from it, and it creates a new, then that’s an entirely different state than saying, I believe that we should all be a certain thing. That’s a very controversial statement. If you want me to unpack it more I can. But for the most part, there’s one meme that I absolutely adore. And it says, Don’t let the spirituality confuse you. You know, there’s gangsta under here, and a lot of people

Brandon Handley 9:43
100% 100%. Right. Like, I mean, I don’t know that. I think the contrast is necessary. Right? You know, I wouldn’t say personally, I look from from my vantage point, I wouldn’t say I’d have to know you have to know evil. To know good, right. You do, because at the same time, you have to know, you have to know.

Adam Walton 10:05
And this is a really valid point, because you have to know light to understand darkness. So on that note, when I say you have to know evil, I’m not saying that everyone’s evil, but I am saying that the most spiritually enlightened people I’ve ever met, have lived through some shit.

Brandon Handley 10:22
Sure. Look, man. There’s no doubt right. Like, I don’t I don’t think that I don’t think that I’m bringing my personal take is I don’t think that. Again, there’s no preconceived notion, right? It comes from anywhere, you can get it anywhere you get it, like it can happen in any way. Right. And that’s the beauty of it. So I definitely appreciate

Adam Walton 10:43
up right on that one.

Brandon Handley 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your journey. Right. So I mean, you know, tell us a little bit about like, let’s talk a little bit about like this, you know, as the Adam Walton that I met, right, the Adam Walton that I first met him as his coach life coach. You know, the story is, you know, you’ve had some success, you know, throughout your life, you built it all on your own. And then, you know, the atom, the atom Walton I first met, even though it was a kind of a package deal. To me, it seemed, you know, seemed genuine. Right. Seemed always, yeah, always genuine. Yeah, always genuine. But the atomwaffen that I feel like I know, now is just more expansive, shall we say? Right. And I think that that’s a good phrase for it. Right? There’s a different, you know, you said fourth dimension, no being and I think that there is there there multiple new dimensions about you. So let’s talk about like that transition over the past, like three years and what’s happened.

Adam Walton 11:47
Berbick, the, you know, when I was when I was referring to earlier, it leads into this, you know, when you when you find, when you find when we were Okay, so, when I was talking about evil, you know, evil versus good. Again, the contrast, every single thing is contrast, you know, you don’t know heat Unless, you know, cold, you don’t know, light unless you know, dark, the Yin to the Yang, this idea of who you are at any given moment is only compared to who you were. And when you are somebody who, you know, has gone through certain experiences and has been talked to and dealt with a certain way, you have certain notions of who you are. And based on that, you have certain notions of where you think you can go. spirituality and how it compounds is, by taking those extremes, my journey, specifically not, you know, everybody’s got a different path. But my journey specifically was taking those extremes and experiences and viewing them as teaching moments, rather than painful experiences that I wish I’d never lived. You know, if I go back through my life, and if I go back through my experiences, every last one of them formed who I am, and who I am is amazing right now. But nowhere near where I’m going to be in 10 years, and where I’m going to be attending. And that’s not me to to my own horn, I’m not trying to impress anybody, I’m not trying to do anything, I am just simply on a journey for myself. And we’re in before it was always nice to you know, do this, you know, be kind to others, and all that sort of stuff. And you think to yourself, it’s a good idea to, you know, be kind to other people, for other people. And you’re but you’re being bombarded with it right now in the media, which is, you know, wear a mask for other people get vaccinated for other people, you know, nobody’s really questioning the fact that all of this stuff needs to be done for you. And if you raise that point, then you’re selfish. And it’s interesting that the entirety of the world has decided that we need to think of other people as opposed to focusing in on who we are, and what we’re capable of. Because first and foremost, with regards to the vaccines and the masks, if you’re not wearing a mask, my mask doesn’t work is such bullshit. If you’re not going to wear a mask, and and people in old age Homes is going to die again, bullshit, right? Everything has its own purpose. If I were to walk into an old age home, I would mask up, right, but for me to not be able to have my friends over. And then and then and then be able to go to Costco, you know, two totally different things. And I’m speaking on this because this is the grand awakening. What we’re seeing right now is the veil being pulled. What we’re seeing right now is the holes in the story. So every single thing that’s ever taken place in my life, is now being compared to what’s happening in the sandbox is not being compared to what’s happening in the ethos of the realm in which we’re all inhabiting. So I am now able to compare my life story to what’s being offered to me to the experience that we’re all collectively having, collectively having a unique experience, which is a very interesting thing that a lot of people can’t wrap their minds around. And that’s because they’re all tied into each other. The third dimension you’re all tied into one another as opposed to experiencing individuality inside the culture. If you’re a Star Trek fan, just picture Seven of Nine, or whew, if you want to go right back to the Star Trek, the next generation, phenomenal things, there’s a lot of stuff in Star Trek, actually, they talked about the Dyson sphere as well, fantastic, completely different episodes. But when it comes down to your spirituality, you are experiencing this world in this realm.

Unknown Speaker 15:21
With your background,

Adam Walton 15:24
therefore, your background and my background are entirely different. I’m not better than you, you are not better than me, a man who is born into money, you know, to a poor man, seems like he’s got it all. But he’s got his own problems. A man who was born with nothing and no legs, or what have you, whatever it is, you know, he’s got his experiences, and for you to be like, Oh, poor him, that’s you, implying your experiences onto him. Therefore, you’re forcing him to play inside your ethos. It’s an interesting reality, to understand that we are here to experience individually, the collective, and you start off inside the collective as is your experience for comparison. The only way you can break out of the collective is to understand that exists, the only way you can understand it exists is for it to exist, which then brings back good and evil, if evil is being perpetrated to wake you out of the collective consciousness, and it’s an agreed upon contract, ie soul contracts, something that people can walk into, is evil, actually evil? Or is the act of evil good, because its end result is for you. Now, that’s a huge debate. Everybody can have their arguments and their and their competitive thing. Perfect, but it’s a topic that nobody discusses. We look at evil and good as black and white. And it certainly is not.

Brandon Handley 16:52
I mean, look, I like it, right? Do you gotta have any hero’s journey, you gotta have the antagonist, right to something’s, there’s got to be some type of catalyst, there’s got to be some type of obstacle to overcome, right? In order to flourish. Just like, you know, cheese goes, I listened to this morning. I forget what it was exactly I was listening to this morning. But you know, think of a walnut shell, right? I mean, that for that tree to express its life, it’s got to do battle with that shell, right? It’s got it’s got to penetrate and get out of that shell, it’s got to reach for the light. And then it’s gotta, you know, then it’s got to reach to the ground. And first of all, it’s got to know what’s inside of show. Look, I mean, it’s just gotta it’s already knows that’s, that’s the that’s always the beauty. Right? You know, the rest of nature outside of human beings, right? A tree trees, a dog dogs, humans were like, What the fuck is going on? Right. So, you know, and I enjoy, I enjoy your perspective. So what I mean, just talk a little bit about what led you there again, so I mean, your your, your Adam, you know, the, you know, I wouldn’t call it like pre spiritually, you know, the pre awakened, Adam, I guess we could have, right. You know, and how do you slip into this space?

Adam Walton 18:09
It wasn’t, it wasn’t any one thing. Obviously, it was a collection of things. And like I said earlier, you know, being born fourth dimensional, it sounds Jujuy. But at the end of the day, I always viewed things differently. So when I was able to not think I was crazy for viewing things differently. And when I was able to see that the society was trying to give me ADHD, and this and anything, for me to understand why I was so good at sales. For me to understand why I understood what people needed, I had to dig deeper into myself. And to do so I encountered more answers to the questions I was asking the questions were changing, the answers were changing, and they were leading to more questions. The more questions that were being answered, the more questions I had. And then when you stop living, fourth dimensional, third dimensional and you start living fifth dimensional, it is a shift, you go back and forth. You can visit the world, fifth dimensionally, so you can see it but you can’t live there because it doesn’t make sense because this is where you’re going. It’s not where you’ve been. And it’s not anything like where you where you’ve been. fifth dimensional living is understanding and when you can understand certain things, a lot of shit just goes away. And when that shit goes away, you have so much more room inside yourself to embrace new things. You stop worrying about am I going to live Am I going to die? What if I crash? What if I this What if I don’t make any money? What if it doesn’t work out? What if it does work out? What if I do this? What if I do that? When all of those noises leave your head? You can amplify everything that you’re doing at the moment that you’re doing it.

Unknown Speaker 19:49
How did I get there?

Adam Walton 19:52
Honestly, I would have to say the leaps all came from Dark Nights of the soul all came from going toe to toe with what I believe To be true, entering painful moments, the back putting me in bed. You know, when you when you’re sleep deprived for over a month, and you are faced with chronic pain, you ask certain questions, you change the way you do things. And when you’re when you come face to face with your inner demons, whether you want to or not, when you’re in that much pain for that long physically, there are people that you meet inside your mind. Dark Nights of the soul also come from smaller experiences also come from putting yourself out also come from you allowing yourself to have that experience. And collectively right now the universe is going through a dark night of the soul. And you’re seeing an awakening to the illusion. Some of us are some of us aren’t, you know, and there’s a lot of questions, I have a lot more questions about where we are now than I did. Before, you know, before you see what’s what’s what’s, you know, the world the game that we’re playing, because, because it’s phenomenal. So my spiritual journey is is just beginning. I am growing exponentially, I have changed my focus, I no longer need or want what I used to want. Now I want to make a difference. Now I want to make a change. Now I want to have a voice. Now I want to share my message. Now I want to be a guest on your podcast show. I’ve always wanted to be a guest on this show. Come on. Have you seen the artwork for this, ladies and gentlemen?

Brandon Handley 21:33
I’ll tell you, James, James knocked out on that. The CIO sounds a little bit like you’re talking about finding your purpose. Yeah. And what’s that? You know? So what does that mean to you?

Adam Walton 21:50
alignment, basically, my purpose isn’t anything other than what I needed to be. And, and my alignment, you know, what’s funny, is boredom. Boredom goes out the window, the minute you start aligning yourself properly, you start you start finding fascination, and all kinds of things. I mean, all kinds of things like boredom is just not challenging yourself. And and it’s really interesting, how that plays out, you know, and just this growth, this this alignment, you know, how do I how do I not sound like every other person speaking in broad terms, I mean, it’s almost impossible not to because every single person’s journey is different. And every single person is allowed to have experiences. And the minute you stop asking, if you’re having an experience, you understand that you are having an experience. So everyone out there that is experiencing something weird, they want answers. You give yourself those answers. And then when you start believing in yourself, you you move in leaps and bounds.

Brandon Handley 22:53
What do you mean by you know, start believing in yourself?

Adam Walton 22:57
Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that you can fail? No, no. Did you think that you could fail when I met you? Yes. No. How would you explain that difference? Because you actively right now know that you cannot fail?

Brandon Handley 23:15
It was going through the process, right? We talked about that. It’s uh, you know, there is it’s funny. I actually I posted a meme. I think not too long ago, just my own meme. I said, What the fuck is the process? Right? Because people always say, trust the process. And you’re like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. And and until you go through the process? Or a process? I guess. Right. It’s, it’s tough to discern. So that’s how I got there was by trusting the process and going through with it.

Adam Walton 23:50
That’s right. And that’s, you know, that’s basically you know, the gist. So when somebody says, you know, when I say to you, I cannot fail. All I can do is have an experience and make a decision about it. Right, the world doesn’t get that just yet. There are so many people that like explain that make that because of course you can fail. I think one of the funniest realizations I ever had was the Yoda saying, Do or do not there is no try. Sure. And I was like, when you’re living in third dimension you’re like of course there’s a try there’s try all over the place you do nothing but try until you do or do not. But the reality is that we live in Yeah, and results you live in and results you either do it or you don’t do it.

Brandon Handley 24:27
That’s the the other one and the matrix, right. Stop trying to hit me and just hit me. Yeah,

Adam Walton 24:33
great. Trying to hit me exactly

Brandon Handley 24:36
right. Just hit me. It’s real similar to that. So you know, the dark nights of the soul you kind of went through. And I think one of the things I like to always understand is, now that you’ve kind of got like this purpose to kind of share your message out. I believe you’re still doing you’re still coaching and you know, trying to get others to Understand what their messages right align with their purpose so that they can go through the process, right? How are you seeing? Are you seeing a leap in fulfillment in your life. And by living it this way, versus what it was before, and is there any way you can kind of compare, compare and contrast that for us

Adam Walton 25:23
100%, there’s, again, you know, the lack of boredom, you know, all that sort of stuff, you know, comes into it. My purpose in life is to wake up lions, is not to wake up sheep is not to, you know, dismiss them or anything like that. But my purpose in life is to push those that need to be pushed, to step into their light to step into the light of change. And it’s not even that I’m doing it for them, I’m doing it because I need to do it. Once that person is awake, and once that person is off and running, they no longer have anything to do with me, my purpose was not to get praise from the lion that has now awoken, my purpose was to simply wake that lion up. My purpose was to allow them to understand their purpose a little bit better, and to show them that they’re not crazy for having that identity. What was I doing? Well, being third dimensional, I was teaching people how to sell, I was teaching people how to close, no matter what realm I lived in, I was always teaching people. And when you live in that realm, you are always under the gun, you’re always under attack. And it’s really interesting, because you will find people say the craziest shit about you, when you’re in the sales room when they don’t even know who you are. But when you exude some sort of energy that they don’t have, they want to bring you down. And interestingly enough, that isn’t about, like you or them or anything, that is the experience, you have to get stronger by understanding that these things are happening so that you can face your own, you know, whatever growth patterns that you have to face. And they have to do it so that they can understand that it’s not the right thing to do that you don’t you don’t chop somebody down, right? Yeah, the same debate goes with bullies, a lot of people will talk, you know how bullying is bad. But bullying teaches the bully a lot. And it teaches the one that’s being bullied a lot, and everyone has these experiences. So you know, it’s an interesting jump, how I went there, but it you know, it, when you find your purpose, you understand that you are contributing properly in your realm. If your purpose has to do with avenging the weak, maybe you were bullied, and maybe without being bullied, you’d never have lived into your purpose, if you were a bully, who turned his life around, because he saw how terrible it was for the other people being bullied. And that leads you into your life purpose, go for it. You know, the world in society is so quick to point the finger at so many people about so many things, without understanding that every usually for the most part 90% of everyone who has ever perpetrated a crime or, or whatever, is at some point a victim in their own lives, either repeating a pattern, or you know, built up anxious or being, you know, having, you know, trying to take their power back from being a victim, whatever it is, again, the Battle of good and evil, what contrasts for the sake of the other to contrast. So when you talk about stepping into your purpose, if you’re a quote unquote bad person, once you understand that, that can’t possibly be true, and that you have the ability to step and move forward, you realize that the third dimension has always tried to make you look at your past and make you compare yourself to who you used to be. As opposed to living in a fourth or fifth dimension, where you compare yourself today to who you want to be. I look at myself today and say I’m not this person yet, I need to work on that, that that I need to go through this, this and this to get there. They’re in there. But since the entire world for the most part is coming from, I’m not this person, because I used to be that person. And that person is holding me back from becoming this next person. But that’s how you’re trained to think.

Unknown Speaker 29:03
So

Adam Walton 29:04
when the world decides it wants to wake up, like you keep trying to ask me about me, and I keep reflecting back to the world. Because I am not the person you’re interviewing. Even though I sit in this chair, you’re interviewing the experience, and I can share my experience or I can share a perspective of experiences. And you’re getting both and I ramble a lot, but that’s okay. People seem to like my voice.

Brandon Handley 29:27
I see what I want.

Unknown Speaker 29:29
You damn straight. Do

Brandon Handley 29:31
idea is it’s funny, you know, the experience, right? The the idea though, that we experience, time, or anything else, you know, and knowledge is that that is of course an illusion. Right? what we experienced right now is what we’re always experiencing, which is, you know, an eternity right. We’re experiencing eternity right now. just you know, how do you want to see it? Right? dia fulfillment piece, right is kind of still on getting that right. Do you feel more fulfillment in general? With this kind of wave waving?

Adam Walton 30:20
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a question for you as well. Sir. The fulfillment man, honestly, how can I put this fulfillment when you stop doing what they tell you to do smoking cigarettes, drinking booze, being debaucherous being an asshole, all the stuff that you’ve ever been taught to do in life, you know that small consumption of alcohol, when you put it all aside, and you realize that you’re so much more than what they told you to be? film, it’s massive. It’s absolutely massive suit. Like, I’m assuming that you haven’t picked up a drink in years. But when you put it down, you put it down. You never you never went back to it.

Brandon Handley 30:54
Yeah. happiest, happiest I’ve ever been. Yes. Childhood? I’d have to say right.

Unknown Speaker 31:03
And a lot of that

Adam Walton 31:04
a lot of that is tied into you. Aligning, not you quitting drinking, quitting drinking was a result of alignment. Look at our mutual friend,

Brandon Handley 31:12
Jeremy. Yeah, no. But it goes back to what you were saying though. Adam, I called for the person I wanted to be, versus maintaining the image of who I was. I said, Hey, you know what this isn’t? This isn’t who I want to be going forward. That’s right. It doesn’t it doesn’t this does not, you know, align to who I want to be going forward, who I want to be going forward, has all these capabilities. And one of the one of the capabilities is, is the strength to to say I don’t want to drink and I don’t want to hang out with everybody else and do the same things everybody else is doing. I want to be doing what I want to be doing on my own terms.

Adam Walton 31:52
And you did it. Yeah. And that’s pretty much how simple it is. It is. And there are so many people out there that will say oh, you know, addiction is this? How many times have I heard 1000 people say, quitting alcohol is one of the most painful and hard things to do. I was a seasoned drinker, and I stopped, right, right. And then you know what they say? Well, that’s you. That’s not everybody. And I say I can only speak from my experience, your experience. And anyone that says it’s hard is typically somebody who hasn’t gone through it. Or typically somebody who went through it the hard way and didn’t decide to look at it the easy way. Equally, I don’t look at it for themselves, they probably look at they did it for somebody else. They didn’t do it for themselves. You’re right, you’re right. There’s there’s a book out there called the Alan Carr, the easy way. And that is how to quit smoking. And I was a smoker. When I met you, I was also a cigarette smoker. I smoked a pack a day for years. It was disgusting. But when I was a kid, it’s just what you did, where I grew up, where I came from, you smoked cigarettes, the cool kids wore leather and smoke cigarettes, cigarettes, they’re not ridiculous. And there’s no more leather stores. And it’s also full pod to where the skin of another animal. And when you think about that, should it it is a bit peculiar where, anyway, you know, I’m my alignment, my journey and all that sort of stuff is is bringing me to where I want to be. And that is, I’m fully able to defend my position. I also don’t speak my position to the most part, I don’t find it’s necessary for me to communicate with anyone that may or may not understand me, I will talk to everybody on their level, I will answer any question that anybody has. And for the most part, I do my best to allow people to simply be, and you’ll find in that sense, too, that people will interact with you a certain way. And they will like you or they won’t like you no matter how enlightened or experienced you are. There is an energy working to you know, in, in in congruent with, you know everything where magnetically we’re all aligned or attracted. You know, there are times where you can take a magnet and you can pick up other magnets and that same magnet will push off other magnets, if you just lay out a ton of scattered magnets. Some will pick up and some will drop off that humanity, right. And if you flip a magnet that picked up, it’ll push off as well. So you’re not necessarily aligned with everybody at all times. But for the time that you are aligned, go for it, have your fun, do your thing. You know, but to have any expectations much more than that is foolish. If you want to grow with somebody do it. If you want to grow through people do it. Don’t hold anyone accountable to them living up to your expectations or fitting into your narrative and your reality. Grow and see who grows with you and see who you grow into and see who you meet on your growth journey. Because the alternative is to sit in front of the television when you’re not at work. And that to me is in bullshit. Because there’s so much more to everything than what they’ve allowed us to beat. The typical third dimensional person is somebody who is dating somebody, they don’t want to date at a job. They do. Don’t want to work at not making as much money as they want to make living in a house, they don’t want to live in addicted to alcohol, and not even realizing it. That’s your standard third dimensional individual or entity, anyone asking the question or trying to step out of that is, is, is drifting into fourth dimension. And anyone that’s actuating, and visualizing, and making real, what the secret, the secret to try to make you know, money off, when you try to make that real when you when you live in visualization. And when you live in actualization, you’ve stepped right out of it. Because here’s another thing too, when you’re living in third dimension, you are experiencing everything you’ve put the effort into experience. Therefore, everything that you have is a result of your physical actions towards the manifestations that you’ve created. You are living in the result of the effort that you’ve put in at any stage of life, basically.

Brandon Handley 35:53
Are you saying that the third dimension is a result of like physical activity? And the fourth and fifth are the result of other activities? No, they’re

Adam Walton 36:03
all mental. So the third dimension is not thinking for yourself. The fourth dimension is asking questions. The fifth dimension is believing.

Brandon Handley 36:10
I like that the third dimension is not thinking to yourself, the fourth is

Adam Walton 36:15
asking questions.

Brandon Handley 36:16
And the fifth is believing in yourself believing believing in yourself. And you know, when you’re saying, believe in yourself, you’re not talking about the confidence to do something and like, you know, go climb a mountain, believe in yourself. I don’t know, I would I yeah,

Adam Walton 36:33
I don’t let me pick up a car right now.

Brandon Handley 36:35
I mean, the theory says Yes, right. The theory does say yes,

Adam Walton 36:39
but what if I said to you, Brandon, I’m gonna give you one year, do whatever you have to do. But at the end of that one year, I want to see you on this exact day, next year, you’re gonna pick up a car, you can do that. And if everything is happening all the same time, then by the time one year rolls around, you and I are going to be standing face to face on the side of a car. It’d be a look car, like a 1987. Look car, so it won’t be too hard. You

Unknown Speaker 36:59
know? No, look,

Adam Walton 37:01
I’m not I’m not gonna push your buttons too hard. Or you go. And exactly, yeah, so you just pick that up, right? But you’ve hit the gym, you’ve done the training, you’ve you’ve understood, you’ve learned you’ve taken in the knowledge and you’ve picked up the car. But as it stands right now, Not a chance.

Brandon Handley 37:13
What else? That’s right. That’s what that’s for the thing. Is that right? So I mean, you know,

Adam Walton 37:17
manifestation, that is 100% manifestation in the realm that we live in. It takes a minute to go from here. I’m pointing at my brain, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know if he’s going to use the video for this. I’m pointing at my brain from here to here to tangible, right, that belt behind me on the wall. Before I had that belt, I wanted it. Right. And then what did I do? I earned some money. I called a guy, a shipping company picked it up. It came here, I manifested that belt and created it.

Brandon Handley 37:45
Sure.

Adam Walton 37:46
Anything that you want in this world, you create, right, I’m

Unknown Speaker 37:49
created.

Adam Walton 37:51
Now the thing is, we think we want things because we’ve seen them on TV. Imagine what you could create. If you could tap into source directly. like holy shit, I want that gergan slog right, you know what that is? But go ahead. Exactly. And then you just manifest it. And I was like, What the fuck is that? You’re like, it’s a gurganus log, you son of a bitch. You want it cuz you’ve never seen one before? Right? Right. But the minute your neighbor sees your gergan slug, he’s gonna figure out what it is. And he’s gonna get one make one do one? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So we grew up at a time to where, bro, you know, you and I probably didn’t have the coolest car in the parking lot. But we had a car in the parking lot when we were in high school. We didn’t have we didn’t have parents money. But we had our we had our efforts, you know, we pushed what we had. And we believe where we were. So we actuated based on what we believed.

Brandon Handley 38:41
Well, so so I want to I want to so I’m gonna jump in here, right? There’s two things. One thing is like, Alright, well, when you when you said, you know, kilos up a car. And, you know, the working theory is that I could do it today, based on you know, kind of what we’ve seen before, just out of the idea of like, you know,

Adam Walton 39:00
a mother strength

Brandon Handley 39:01
is everything, right? I mean, of course, yeah, but but right. But because because I don’t believe right now and myself enough to

Adam Walton 39:10
do the thing. Tapping matrix 100%. Now, you’re talking like fifth, you’re talking like sixth and seventh dimension. Because there are people that have done feats of strength on a regular basis. Right, but and there are also myths and stories and these people just tap into source immediately tap into source. You know, if you’re, if somebody is trapped under a car, I guarantee you can pick that car up. Sure. Because Because the physics go out the window, again, the matrix,

Brandon Handley 39:38
don’t bend the spoon that and then that I think that then there’s the you know, there’s the necessity that says, hey, you need to be able to do this. So source allows that to open for you. Right provides that for you. And then the other part now, this is this was a really eye opening moment. This was a conversation you and I had. Geez Adam, I think was a year ago. Driving around, and I was just leaving my real estate class. And I was talking to you about this teacher who was in there. Who was teaching motivational interviewing, which is something that I was really interested in. I was like, I mean, what are the odds that she’s in there? Right? What did you say? to recall?

Adam Walton 40:21
She was in there, because you needed her to be in there.

Brandon Handley 40:23
But you said, I said, What are the odds? And he said, 100%, right, the odds are 100% I was like, motherfucker, you’re right. Right. And, and, and, and then you said, something along the lines of she was in a, you know, because that’s the only way that you believe that it could happen type of thing, right? So it’s, you know, you create your life, and act upon it in a way that you believe you should be. And that’s the only way that it’ll happen. So until you change, what you believe in, and what you believe yourself to be capable of, you won’t take any actions towards it right type of thing. He won’t see it. Right. I think that’s the other part too, like until you believe. Right, you won’t be able to see it.

Adam Walton 41:07
Yeah. I mean, when you also when we talk, if you’re right about all that. And as I stutter, if we talk back to the car, right? The idea of you being able to pick a car right now, we agree that it could be done immediately. But we also agree that it’s more likely that you’ll be able to do it in a year, for sure. You know, Now, that being said, for you to be able to tap into source on a regular basis and pick up a car is not the purpose. For you to become the person that understands how to tap into source and to regularly pick up the car is the purpose of that we are not here to do the thing. We are here to become the person who can do the thing. So that’s the cool part. You know, how many times to and maybe this is just me, but every single time I’ve ever acquired whatever it was I wanted, when I bought the thing I don’t care about anymore? Yeah. You know, when I bought my first car, I was like,

Brandon Handley 42:04
yeah, that’s the journey. That’s the journey.

Adam Walton 42:07
That’s life, life is all about that thing. And now again, the car also, when I bought my first expensive car, I was, you know, fully immersed in the idea of the third dimension. Now, what you have validates who you are, which is total bullshit total.

Unknown Speaker 42:23
Self again, that’s,

Brandon Handley 42:24
you know, that’s gonna be that’s gonna be actually the same conversation this weekend with somebody we visited. You know, once you have a bunch of money, you realize you don’t change. Right? I mean, it doesn’t change who you are inherently, I mean, changes. I think it does change some things, right. It allows you the space to kind of fall into expansion, because you’re not as worried about a survival mechanism, right? It’s not necessary, though. That’s what that’s what that’s one thing I always like to point out like, so once you have enough money, you stop worrying about that. And you can start exploring some of these other things like spirituality, right? Well,

Adam Walton 43:07
here’s, here’s another thing, too, if you don’t have enough money, right, you you get stuck in that rat race, right? You can also say to yourself, I need more time. So I’m going to totally downsize my house, I’m going to take up a job at McDonald’s flipping burgers. And I’m going to make sure that my bills are paid and that there’s food on the table. And I’m going to spend every waking moment after that focusing on my craft, focusing on my message focusing on my person, and creating. So you don’t it’s not that we don’t have enough message or instant message. It’s not that we don’t have enough money. A lot of the time, it’s that we don’t know how to utilize our moment.

Brandon Handley 43:42
I think you hit on something there too. Right? Creating, right spend time creating. And I think that most people would would would say when you say, you know, they’ve got to create, they’ve got to be an author, they’ve got to be an artist, they’ve got to be something else. What is when you’re saying creator, what are you saying?

Adam Walton 44:03
Create?

Brandon Handley 44:04
Yeah, but I mean, you know, what’s that look like? I mean, it’s,

Adam Walton 44:08
yeah, it’s it’s a heavy word. Creating isn’t art. Like, a painter isn’t creating paintings. a painter is creating himself herself, themselves itself, we self whatever junction people want to use these days. a painter is creating, and the result of their creation is art. So somebody who is completely stuck in a job that they hate without with a spouse that they don’t care for, in a situation they don’t want to be in can start creating that moment by saying, I don’t want this anymore. They start creating, the more time you spend creating, the more, the more likelihood you’re going to succeed. Just like the more time you spent playing darts, the likelihood is you’re going to get better at darts. So, creating is becoming right and then if you want to Paint if painting is your creation, you start painting, you know, you start, you start with, with the materials that you have, you pick up a box of crayons, and you hammer it out and you work on your draw, you work on your lines, you work on your dimensions. And then from there, you, you know, you sell one of those things, you get really good, or you get noticed, or you upload it or you go on to Fiverr, you go wherever the world is completely open to anything that anybody wants to do, you can sell your painting, you can sell a class on how to paint, you can draw, you can do anything, you just have to find out how to get there, how to do it, whatever it is that anybody wants to do, they just have to do it.

Brandon Handley 45:35
But that also goes back to again, what you’re saying you got to believe in yourself, and you got to want to want to do it right. You have to believe in yourself, and then kind of take action towards it. Right? Just even if there’s just tiny steps, right? Yeah, you know, sell something on Fiverr. Go to Fiverr. put yourself out there, right? To be found. Right, of course. And you believe that?

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Why not you

Adam Walton 46:06
a fun story about Fiverr. I’m on Fiverr. And I went on there and I do writing I just two short stories. I do blogs, I do, you know, content, written content for coaching pages. And from there, I charge peanuts, you know, but every now and again, like just the random stuff that is fun for me to do and takes no time at all. I, I have some, it’s like 30 or 40 bucks a page, right for 500 words, which I’ve undercut everybody, but from there, it’s blown people away, when they kind of understand when they kind of do some research on who I am. Like, why would I be on Fiverr? Why would this be a thing? Like why would because the perception of who I am, as you know, on the internet a lot bigger than who I am right now. I’m just a dude, that’s all I am. But it’s funny, because from Fiverr, I get paid to practice writing. Right? Right, because I can, here’s the thing, I can write whatever I want. But you know, when you have an idea in your head, you don’t believe in yourself or whatever it is, when you’re just getting started on any one thing. It’s hard for you to be like, I have some ideas and I want to craft but when somebody says hey, can you write this, this and this, these are the things I want to talk about, this is the thing I want to do. But and then you’re you’re on it, you’re like, Alright, I got this figured out, then you go do it just like it’s easier to help everybody else. And it is to help yourself.

Brandon Handley 47:16
Now that’s right, you know, and I love I love that you brought that up. You know,

Adam Walton 47:20
I want to finish that thought though, too, though. God. So from from Fiverr. For anyone listening from anyone jumping out, the real reason I’m there is because it’s free advertising, I have acquired five people specifically that have gone into my full program from a $5 ad they’ve dropped 25 K, right. So you can’t judge anything, you can’t judge anything on anything, you should just be wherever you need to be to fish wherever you want to fish to eat whatever you want to eat, and have fun with it experience and drop every single idea in your head that you think is a certain thing and just go and run and be free.

Brandon Handley 47:58
All right now that’s that’s really cool. I love that. I love that you’re doing that. And and, you know, the perspective there. Makes me think about again, like, you know, kind of podcasting right makes me think of the idea of you, when you if when you interview me on your podcast, it’s easier sometimes. Right? Just you’re just the one if you’re the one asking me the questions, it’s easier for me to come up with the answers. Because those are some things there’s some questions I might not answer, or think of on my own as valuable content or anything else. But when somebody else asks you a question, it comes out so naturally, right? Just like when you’re writing for somebody else asking you to write for them. It’s, it’s just coming right through. Mm hmm.

Adam Walton 48:42
I think that’s funny too. Because, you know, you’ve been on my show, and and it is it is it’s different in, in, in in so many aspects because on this show, too. I you know, I love doing these shows, because it is always me that’s, you know, steering the show or running this or asking the questions, but I have the opportunity on the show just simply to answer your questions. You know, and, and, and I love I love the creativity because it is it’s identical again, you and I can have a conversation. Right, your show is your show, My show is my show both are a little bit different. My show is certainly a little bit more out there than your show. I like to talk about little green men. You know, I like to I like to be able I like to be able to expand on every single topic and tie it all back into source because there is a truth in everything. Sure. And that you know, that’s a fun that’s a fun conversation I have now like I said I don’t have your fancy artwork but I do have you know I do have the joy the gift the gap. Another fun thing too is you don’t have to be doing anything like nothing has to be sitting there like I was teaching you guys how to podcast long before I even had a podcast. And that was because I had the you know, I had to know how I had the knowledge but to me I was rammed with other things. I had different stories in my mind. You know things I wanted to accomplish things that I had set out in the in the initial states. I’ve always said, I’ve got to get this going. And it’s very important that people have it. But how do you how are you to be taken seriously, if you’re teaching something that you’re not following through with, which was ends because of you guys that I said, I have to have this podcast. So I’m going to keep teaching people that this is the way to have the message out there. I need to have the message out there. And I was teaching off stat, therefore, I was saying, These are the things that I know not obviously through Sam, all that other stuff as well. But for me, you know, to launch into just do it. Like it’s it’s such a wonderful world to be on the other side of it. Once you you know, once you cross over that, that doesn’t even matter. 1010 podcasts, 50 podcasts, 100 podcasts, every single podcast, you get better.

I mean, the first podcast, ladies and gentlemen is funny because it is just you sitting in front of a mic in front of your computer going,

Unknown Speaker 50:46
I don’t know what I’m doing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 50:49
100%

Adam Walton 50:50
and then you’re and then you’re out and then you’re rocking. And then you know, you and I know right now that there’s an audience right now listening, they’re sitting there, they’re enjoying their night. And this is the entertainment that they’ve chosen over television, and I’m so grateful and thankful for that, to be the truth and to be the new reality in which you and I reside. I love that. Every single one of you listening right now, you are amazing. You’re amazing.

Brandon Handley 51:11
100% I mean, you know, listen, I think about I’m thinking about the Jim Rohn stat piece that just says, you know, focus on the few, right, I don’t care. This one’s not about going out and getting numbers. This one’s about connection. You know, there’s podcasts, this podcast is about connecting with people who are either on the brink of an awakening or just kind of somewhere along their spiritual journey, or just coming along. Right? for the ride. And and

Adam Walton 51:49
where do you think you are? on your journey, right? Now, if you were to say, if I were to say, Are you enlightened? If I were to say to you, on a scale of one to 10? How far up? How far up? Do you think you are?

Brandon Handley 52:01
Like a three? Yeah, because let’s just like you said earlier, there’s so much there’s so much. And I’m just barely beginning to scratch the surface. Right? Where I’m just, I’m just starting to just starting to scratch the surface of my own potential reality, my inner self. Who or what I think the universe is all that all that stuff, man, how about you? It’s good question. I like it.

Adam Walton 52:30
Man, I say the same thing. You know, I’m a three, I’m a four. And that’s an ignorant statement for me to make, because that’s only being able to base things off where I have been. Right, right. Right,

Unknown Speaker 52:41
for sure.

Adam Walton 52:42
You know, and and, you know, I don’t know, I don’t know how far I can go, you know, you know, that’s why I say low. You know, I say low because, you know, three or four fours high three would be decent. But I mean, we could be at point two, you know, for sure.

Unknown Speaker 52:56
Right. Right.

Adam Walton 52:56
Or, you know, we could be at 10. Like, this could be it. Here we are, you know, it’d be weird if it was because that drop off. But you know, I have so many more questions, and I have so many more things I want to experience and journeys that I want to go on. I wake up every morning excited. You know,

Brandon Handley 53:14
you know, here’s what I’ll tell you. I am though I am not as much about the question so much as I am about enjoying the experience and just being

Adam Walton 53:25
Yeah. And that’s it. But that is the question. You’re living in it. For sure. Your that’s your question right now. That’s what’s cool.

Brandon Handley 53:35
Yeah, it’s a it’s a look, it’s it’s a it’s been great. It’s been perpetual. And it’s been it’s been, there’s been more joy, and there’s been more fun in it. I think, then there’s been a long time. I think you also mentioned a little bit earlier, not necessarily about societal pressures, but you know, doing the thing that everybody says you’re supposed to be doing, versus letting go of all that shit. Right? And not having all that pressure. I think that that’s huge, too.

Adam Walton 54:08
I agree with that. I agree with that. Once you you know, once you instead of viewing peer pressure as a pain point, you get the opportunity to view it as a lesson. It’s cool. If you say to yourself, why would I be concerned about I don’t know. Anything. Really? Why would I be concerned about this? Like, Hey, man, have this drink? Well, you don’t drink like fuck, you know? Why would it be like oh, I really should. What weakness inside me says I really need to do what Chad’s doing. Right. I’m gonna pick up my hacky sack and just play because my name is Chad. Right? That’s, you know, no offense to the Chad’s listening. That’s just running.

Brandon Handley 54:46
Sorry, Chad. Yes, sir. Chad. Yeah, you

Unknown Speaker 54:49
know who you are.

Unknown Speaker 54:51
But that’s

Adam Walton 54:52
so funny. You can’t say that name without it being funny. It is what it is man. It is what it is. You And and like you said, waking up and just being like, you get this opportunity to be like, I want to learn my lessons, I want to understand why I think the way I think I don’t want to blindly accept that I think the way I think, because one of the coolest things about stepping into purpose and stepping into a higher dimension mentally and physically is that you understand that you’re not having thoughts you’re experiencing them. Much like the radio isn’t creating music. It’s tapping into a frequency and amplifying it. So, you know, all that self hate and self doubt you’re receiving that from somewhere, step your frequency up and you’ll start receiving different messages.

Brandon Handley 55:37
Yeah, it’s a shared a lot. I put the book on my reach, where is it power versus force sent you the link actually, to his like, subsequent, he’s guys got a lot of books, David, David R. Hawkins. I sent you that book on surrender, which is super awesome. But in that book, he’s got like a map of consciousness. Right. And that’s kind of one of his big, big pieces that he’s contributed, I think, to to kind of where we are, and what you call like the, you know, ripping of the veil or whatever, right, the thinning of the veil, whatever you want to call it. I feel like he’s contributed quite a bit to that. Because there’s a there’s a, there’s a map of consciousness, right, here’s where you are. And if you kind of, if you can leverage that and see where you are, you can kind of know where the next step is. Yeah. Which I think is really great. And, yeah, you know, if you’re feeling hate and anger and frustration with your with the world, chances are you’re feeling that with yourself. Right? And how do you want to address that?

Adam Walton 56:39
Yeah. And if the world is showing it to you, it’s something you need to overcome, because it’s all that’s also your fault. Right, right. Now, I’ve also I’ve been on the hook so many times for victim shaming, is that the term I don’t know what it is, were you like, you’re like, like Dave Chappelle, He’s, uh, he made the joke, Oh, she got, you know, assaulted. And he’s like, wow, what was she wearing? You know, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t put myself in that category. But I get I get the finger pointed a lot at me for that sort of stuff. Because again, you can misplace humor, you can do whatever you want, the world seems to want to live in its own narrative and drag everybody else in through theirs. Sure. And for me, it you know, it’s it’s, it’s a certain it’s a sensitive point, but it’s a certain one, like, if I’m out drinking all the time, there’s a there’s a high likelihood that I’m gonna get punched in the face. It for history never happen. Or there’s certainly a higher likelihood that I’m going to get punched in the face being out drinking, then if I’m in having intellectual conversations with individuals, for sure. If you love the idea of being out drinking, and if you want to get mad at me and said, Well, what you can’t be drunk and have an intellectual conversation, man, you can do whatever you want, anywhere you want in life at any point, right. But what I will say is if you want more out of life, you’re going to come into certain circumstances and situations that change the way you specifically do business. And once you get to the other side of how you’ve done that, you can look back and say, Man, I got punched in the face, because I was out drunk, running my mouth, you know? And that’s it. Which means I’m the victim of assault. But it’s because I was an idiot that it happened.

Brandon Handley 58:13
You’re the one who created the situation.

Adam Walton 58:16
Yes. And that’s not all of them. I’m going to put this in an Asterix Ladies and gentlemen, the world wants to you know, eat everybody alive right now. That’s for sure. Every situation. It’s not a blanket statement. That individual experience statement. Sure. No, no, no, I

Brandon Handley 58:29
get it. Right. Listen, that disclaimer, right?

Adam Walton 58:34
Exactly. I mean, there’s millions of people listening this podcast right now. I know. Right?

Brandon Handley 58:38
Listen to listen, they’re huge. They’re huge. And you know, I don’t want them I don’t want an avalanche on Adam’s House because he’s a dick.

Adam Walton 58:46
I spiritual dick

Brandon Handley 58:50
telling you that you got punched in the face and it was totally your fault. It is right you got you put yourself there and then look, man, there’s definitely situations where like, you know, people like well, this happened in the world and you’re saying that was their fault? Like, come on, man. The take it with a grain of salt. You are where you And hey, that could be your soul contract.

Adam Walton 59:06
Right? Yeah, that could be your soul contract. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 59:09
we don’t know, man that nobody knows. So for you for anybody to come up and say Yay, or nay. But I mean, you know, at least in our current level of understanding and experience to date,

Adam Walton 59:20
here’s an extra step to that soul contract. It could be your soul contract to be murdered me making you the ultimate victim, right? And then but it’s not. Your soul contract isn’t for you or for the murderer. It’s for the observers of everyone that witnessed you getting murdered. Right, and then you and the murderer, soul contracted into this to wake the world up. So the murderer has to commit a heinous crime of murdering and the victim has to create or has to be the victim of a murder. Both of them signed on to this so that you and me could witness this and change how we do life. That’s how soul contracts can work as well. For sure, you know, there are some extensive quantity that go into every single experience. It’s, it’s mind bendingly beautiful,

Brandon Handley 1:00:06
not 100%. Right? It’s life. Right. It’s it’s life. And I think that that in itself is beautiful. Just like you, sir are beautiful. So where can we send people to go hang out with Adam?

Adam Walton 1:00:21
There’s a lot of changes going on. But you can you can check us out right now, at the mental mastery. alliance.com. All of our social links are there. Everything’s there. We are just having fun with everything right now. Everything is tickety. Boo. So definitely come give us a check out if you like social media, if you don’t like the computer, that’s cool, too. We’re everywhere. We have our own podcast, all of its linked back to the webpage. So in the liner notes of this episode of my webpage was there then everybody would get to see what we’re all up to. And there’s a ton of stuff going on. So we encourage you all to pop by. And if you don’t want to do that, amen. Cool to

Brandon Handley 1:00:58
Adam, thanks for stopping on today. I

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
always enjoy the conversation, brother. Absolutely my friend. Great time.

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Krista Xiomara is a writer, blogger, podcast host, poet, and author. Krista lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog Penny Moon and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings, and speaking engagements. Her first non-fiction book, “The Alchemy of Kindness” focuses on helping individuals move from self-rejection to self-love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self-compassion to create and sustain long-term unconditional positive regard for oneself.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Today I am on with my guest, Krista zetta mata on Ted’s butchered it, but I did my best. She is a writer, a blogger, a podcast host poet and author, Krystal lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog, Penny moon, and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings and speaking engagements. Her first nonfiction book, the alchemy of kindness focuses on helping individuals move from self rejection, to self love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self compassion to create and sustain long term unconditional, positive regard of oneself. Woof, we got through it. So welcome to the podcast. And thanks for being here today.

Krista Xiomara 0:56
Thank you for having me, Brandon.

Brandon Handley 0:59
Absolutely, absolutely. So I always start us off with the idea that spirit the universe speaks through us, right? There’s this inherent message that’s coming through us today, specifically through you, that is for somebody who’s listening. What is that message?

Krista Xiomara 1:23
I think for me, the message is always about homecoming to ourselves. Because we are living in a world that is constantly taking us away from ourselves and asking us to be something other than ourselves. And so I think in the vein of my book, my podcast, my own journey, it all comes back to I really, truly believe that the path to enlightenment is the path of self love and self return to oneself. I think there’s no higher purpose we all have in this life, except for returning to ourselves so that we might love and greet the world from a very different place than it usually asks us to.

Brandon Handley 2:16
That’s a fantastic message. It really is what it is. And you know, of course, the first thing that jumps out to someone that’s not in this is I mean, look, even for myself, I’d run around and and she told me years ago, that you had to go on a journey to find yourself and be like, Well, you’re right there. Where do you need to go? Right. So what do you mean by you know, there’s that I love it. What says but what is what do you mean by this journey to ourselves, return to oneself within that?

Krista Xiomara 2:45
Yeah, so I, I referenced in my book, and in the podcast, oftentimes this extended metaphor that I like to call the puzzle. And it’s this idea that we come into this world as a fully formed puzzle. And we get thrown into our families and society and to relationship with other people. And immediately when we land in our family, our family starts to take some of the puzzle pieces out to match with their puzzle pieces. Sometimes they don’t like the way your puzzle pieces look. So they they chuck them. And when you grow into adulthood, you will look into the mirror. And you will see that not only are you missing puzzle pieces, but your own pieces are disorganized and out of place. And my podcasts that centers around the idea of personal development and spirituality, which inevitably, continually cross over one another. If you go on either of those paths, they both cross each other over and in our human experience in coming home to ourselves. Part of that homecoming is about going and finding our puzzle pieces that were chucked out the window, finding puzzle pieces that that actually make a better mosaic of what we actually landed in in this life, and then putting ourselves back together as our authentic, beautiful whole selves. Because we arrived here hole, and the world tells us we’re not that tells us we’re broken. It tells us we’re damaged. It tells us we’re not good enough. It tells us we’re not thin enough. But we land literally in this human form as these beautiful whole human creatures. And to me, enlightenment in this age is about ascending beyond our current culture, and living so at peace with ourselves that we create piece around us.

Brandon Handley 4:54
That’s great. So when you talk about these puzzle pieces, and you’re telling the story, I always think about Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall All the King’s Men, right? And so it’s kind of similar, right? Like you’re the only one that can put all your pieces back together. Right? You’re the only one that recognizes even your own pieces. Right? And you also are the only one that has capability to recognize that this this, this picture is complete.

Krista Xiomara 5:19
Exactly. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 5:22
Yeah. So. So let’s talk for a second on on your podcast. I’m so jealous of the name of the podcast. I really am. It’s so simple. But it’s an it’s so but it’s so perfect. What’s the name of your podcast?

Krista Xiomara 5:36
The podcast is called I’m awake. Now what?

Brandon Handley 5:39
Man is genius, right? So how did you know first of all, how did you discover that you were a personally awake? How do you define awake? And then what made you decide to be a voice for that?

Krista Xiomara 5:52
Yeah. So as many people who’ve listened to the podcast know that my journey started out, in a very weird offshoot of Catholicism growing up that was based a lot in conformity, fear and submission and denial of my own humanity and my gender, essentially. And towards the end of my 20s, I started to question start questioning a lot of things. And I started to look at the way the church taught, and the way I grew up, and the people that taught me my Christian values, and they weren’t in alignment with each other. There was a lot of contradictions, there was like a lot of loopholes, and I’m very much a type a person, and I very much love rules. And so I one day just realized there are all these rules in the Catholic Church that people are supposed to follow. And maybe people are following them to like 45 to 50%. Like maybe that’s, that’s really giving a lot of credit to a lot of people. And like, what is the point of all of this then? And that was like the first breaking I was like the first cracking open of my conditioning, my cultural and religious conditioning, where I started to question like, Well, what does this all mean? What What do I believe, and I basically pulled myself out of my religious experience, and found myself in a yoga Ashram. And that’s when I realized that in my conditioning, I was asleep. And I would refer to myself as a sleep walker or a sheeple. And then when I came onto the yogic path, I realized that there was this other more inviting, more self led way to be in relationship with yourself, the world and God. And I realized that was an awakened state and awakened a way of being with yourself. In addition to that those people that I met in that yoga ashram, were so at peace, and within so much harmony with themselves, that I knew that’s what I wanted, I could point to it, I could see, that’s exactly how I want to live in myself and live in the world. How do I get that? And so this awakening started to happen. And it was like a decade’s long journey from like about 28. to, to 37 was a huge opening and cracking open of everything. And I, like you immersed myself in a great deal of texts and experiences and ideas and curiosities and curiosity. I think, if anything I’ve learned is a spiritual practice, the practice of curiosity is a spiritual practice, they’re one in the same and you cannot go on this journey, and not be a curious person, because you’ll, you’ll bump you’ll get stuck. So if you don’t have curiosity as your lens for a lot of this, you’ll get stuck. And so I knew that when I got to the other end, I love podcasts, I love radio, I love all of that. I knew when I got to the opposite end of it, and I had matured into a place of my own homecoming spiritually, that I wanted to create a system and a community where people could go and listen to like your story and other people’s story of like, how are they navigating this awakening, which is very disorienting, very cumbersome, very scary, because you’ve got a dress like the light and the dark parts. And so my podcast was birthed in this idea of like, you wake up, and now what do you do?

Brandon Handley 9:42
And it’s so so true. It’s so disorienting, even even right from the onset. I think what you said there was, we do recognize that in you know, your your, your place of faith and religion, that just about 40% of the people They’re not following the rules. So why am I trying so hard at it right is my guess because you said your type a right? You’re like, why am I trying so hard? Why am I putting all my effort into this? And these guys are getting away with 40% something’s something’s not lining up. So and then and then, you know, that begins to kind of crack the veil, right? That begins to up against to say, Well, if that wasn’t right, man, because you probably based sounds like you base quite a bit off of that, right? Or at least from that space. And now there’s now everything’s just kind of flying off. Right? That’s the whole the whole, you know, well, Jesus, the Wizard of Oz, right, the man behind the man behind the curtain curtain. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, what you’re saying to me, too, is really, really reminds me of the Alan Watts. Knew, and I know, fans of Alan Watts, right? So it reminds me of like, when he’s talking about the monks in Zen Buddhism, when they would go up to the samurai eyes, right? And the samurai is bialik I don’t know what Samurai is do but they, you know, they do their Samurai thing. And then the monk shows like no fear because he’s a total peace with himself. Right? He’s like, go ahead, I’m good. Do what you got to do. But and, and and then the samurai sees, you know, kind of what you saw these people are so at peace. So it like they have something and it’s, it’s nearly palatable, right? You can almost touch it.

Krista Xiomara 11:25
Yes.

Brandon Handley 11:25
And you’re like, you’re like, I want some of that.

Unknown Speaker 11:29
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 11:29
Right. And so that’s that’s kind of what I’m hearing you say right. But uh, if you know, so how did you decide to head in you What made you go to like yoga and an ashram? Right, because that’s a, that’s a pretty big leap from from from Catholicism.

Krista Xiomara 11:47
It’s a huge, it’s a huge leap. I read and this is going to be this is the cheesiest part of my whole story, but it’s so it I can’t deny it. It’s everywhere. I’ve said it multiple times. But I had read Liz Gilbert’s Eat, Pray Love. I know. You just posted an Elizabeth Gilbert quote today. I love her. She’s everything to me. To me. She’s like my, my female Jesus on this earth. She’s so honest and transparent. And after I read her book, I was like, if she can figure out her life, and then yogic ashram, I think I can too. And she was right, because it’s the source. It’s so old. It’s so ancient. It’s so tied to the truth of what we are, beyond our current civilization. They have all of the wisdom there and their texts. So I landed in that I luckily had that yogic ashram in this tiny town of Spokane, of all places, Spokane, Washington.

Brandon Handley 12:49
Yeah, that’s, you know, it’s funny, because that’s my, my, I spent a summer up there. Growing up, it is it is tiny. Like you said,

Krista Xiomara 12:59
there’s like 200,000 people there something at the time, but yeah, and so then that led me again, like, curiosity became my guiding light. So the SWAMI who created that ashram there, Swami shivananda, Radha, this beautiful German Swami who is now passed on, but she had a prolific writing career. So I read all her books. And then I’m very much a root cause kind of person. I work in quality management systems in my regular life. And so when I want to understand something, I have to get to the base of it. And so once I dipped into the yogic ashram, which was based in Hinduism, that kind of led me down the path of Buddhism and Zen and Sufi ism, and Islam and Judaism. And then I realized I need to really understand these other religions and philosophies. And I really got into stoicism with Marcus Aurelius. And of course, then you go into the spiritual side, which is like all of the beautiful teachers we’ve had, like Alan Watts, and Wayne Dyer, and Michael Dooley, all these people have done such massive work and you just realize they’re all saying the same thing, which is, you are God God is you live a life that is honest and pure and of service of others. And that’s all you have to do and show up in this world as

Brandon Handley 14:32
so how are you accepting yourself as you know, God, right, I think that that’s definitely been one of the bigger stumbling blocks, right? Because we also, we, you know, Westerners, we’ve got like this, you know, one concept of God, right? And then Hinduism and Eastern and other spiritualities have this other concept of Gods so when you say that, we’re all God, what is your concept of that and how do you sleep at night with that? Right, like, I mean, cuz that’s, that’s definitely a challenge because, um, you know, I can tell you just from my own practice I can I can do like great meditations and I’ll be like, I can get myself to like love. But I can’t, you know, sometimes I had that struggle with, you know, seeing myself as God, right? Like I can be I am love. Right? But then I’m like I am God. I’m like, Hey, wait a second, buddy, what do you think in there? Right? So just walk me through that? Because I’d be curious to hear what that sounds like it looks like for you?

Krista Xiomara 15:29
Well, yeah, it’s interesting that you bring that up, I would say the thing, where I’ve shaken out in my relationship with God, which is too small of a word for what created us, I think. And I don’t think it’s one person. But one of the things that I, I came to terms with on my journey to is like, in Catholicism, and a lot of the Abrahamic religions, and even some of the Eastern ones, there’s this idea that God exists wholly in perfection, and that divinity equates perfection. But if you look around the world, if if a god or gods created us, there are so many imperfections in this world that make it absolutely beautiful. You can walk into a forest, like right now I can see outside of my house is the greenbelt here in Austin, which is like our, our forest, and it’s untamed, and it’s wild. And it’s, you know, it’s not perfect, and we’re not perfect. And that means that the thing that created me is also imperfect, and I’m comfortable knowing that it’s probably still evolving to, and we’re evolving together. And that wisdom that exists in me to understand that helps me connect to my own divinity and remove that disconnection that I grew up with that said, like, God is in this place, and God can only be accessed through these people. And God is only available to X, Y, and Z. But I think we are born with a god shaped portion of our of God in our body and in our soul, and in our energy that circulates us as human beings. And it’s a matter of recognizing that in ourselves. It’s, it’s not that you’re better than anyone if you know that you have God within you or that God is something you know, unattainable. We all have it. And I think the manifestation of understanding that God is within you, is when you act in kindness and compassion and humility to other people. Because that’s, that’s literally God working through you, that’s your own divinity, that the part of you that is God is coming forward. And it’s manifesting as those actions as this podcast. As of the way you help people as a coach Brandon, like, that’s, that’s you and God, that’s like you guys co creating, it’s this beautiful co creation that we all get to be a part of that has been denied, especially in the Western world, because it’s built on these Abrahamic religions and say, no Gods this other thing, but it’s not.

Brandon Handley 18:15
Fair enough. Fair enough. You know, I 100% agree with all all what you’re saying. And the one thing I would say, though, is I was recently introduced to a new definition of the word perfect. Meaning that you don’t need anything else. That’s all it means. Right? So actually, if you go to sleep tonight, Crystal, Do you need anything else? done today? You’re perfect. Today, the world you live in is perfect. Mm hmm. Right. I mean, that forest over there, it doesn’t need anything else today to be that forest, does it? Now it’s a perfect forest. Right, you know, so somebody had introduced it and just said that that was like the old, you know, way back when that’s what that word meant, like, you don’t need anything else. And if that’s if that’s the definition of perfect, then there’s a lot of us that are perfect, that don’t think that we are right, therefore we keep ourselves from saying, Man, I can’t access God, because last time, you should see me last week, that wasn’t cool. Right? Or like, you know, they’ve got all these things that that make them think that they’re being kept away from God. Right? The only thing that’s keeping them away from that is themselves, right?

Krista Xiomara 19:26
That’s exactly right. Right.

Brandon Handley 19:28
Yeah. And to your point today, it doesn’t make somebody better or worse to say, I’m connected to God. Right. I’m divine. You know, that’s, that’s basically it boils down to a choice. Is that fair to say?

Krista Xiomara 19:43
Well, yeah, and I would say the when if if somebody is saying that, that should raise a lot of alarm bells in your mind, if they’re creating that disconnection to you from them because they have a closer connection to God than you should run for the hills.

Brandon Handley 20:02
No good can come to that. That’s what that’s like the Crusades. Right. So, you know, so what made you decide to be the voice though, you know by by taking it and you know, by literally opening up you know their voice and bringing this to bringing us to the greater masses a and then be like, talk about stuffing into that like What gave you the confidence to be that person.

Krista Xiomara 20:24
Um, I mean, I’m not know if it was a matter of like confidence more than the desire to help. So like a lot of my motivations as an individual comes from the desire to alleviate other people’s suffering, whether that’s through community through the podcast through holding space for them to process things, whether it’s just been friendship with somebody, so they don’t feel alone. The my motivation was that I know there’s people that need to hear these things. And I would say the best example of that was the summer when I finally put into one conglomerated space, the journey of me leaving my religion of origin, making sense of all of that trauma, releasing it and coming home to myself. And I can’t tell you how much I’ve heard from people all over the world about how liberating it was to have somebody regurgitate that life experience that they had gone through, and that they were either at the beginning, the two middle parts or the end, and feeling like me, too. And I think when we do this work, like and you do your spiritual dope, podcast on your coaching and stuff, I don’t think there’s any deeper modality of love that we can do for each other than to see and hear each other. And I think what’s funny about the world we live in now is social media is exactly that. It’s this deep seated desire to be seen and to be heard, and to feel like you matter in this world. And I think us on the spiritual path. Our goal and creating this content is to also be a mirror to the people who are in the process of it all. Because we need each other and we need each other’s experiences and wisdom and honesty and integrity. To help us through this this journey. We can’t do it alone.

Brandon Handley 22:40
Yes, so how many? You know, when you open it up? Was there any fear? Was there any family or friends? were surprised or shocked by about kind of what you were doing in that space? How about your co workers, right? Like, I mean, is this something that your your, you know, your day job, right, you’ve got the day jobs, that’s something that you know, you share with openly there? Or is this kind of like, you go to work today is Christa. You know, I’m here working today, and then you come come home at night, and you’re like, let’s finish delivery at some people. Right?

Krista Xiomara 23:18
Yeah. Well, it’s funny, just to that point, and then I’ll answer your question is one of the things that was, was very much a bone of contention in my own life when I was in my religious upbringing and still in the church of origin was, I did feel like they’re like I had a dichotomy. There was like work Krista and then there was like, religious Krista and sometimes religious Krista could come out and sometimes only work Krista could come out or Krista in her marriage or Krista with her friends, or what not. And the thing that has been the most liberating on this path is that I the just the the ability to show up as yourself everywhere all the time is more peace than I could have ever asked for in my life. And so if people ask me about my podcast, or I’ll tell people about it and my work life, but more than anything, what has changed about diet, you know, the duality of Christa, old Krista and new Krista is that my spiritual practices come into my work life and so I’m just as compassionate and kind and, you know, harmonious with my co workers who don’t know anything about me. There’s a lot of them who don’t have never met me. I work remotely no matter what, because of COVID but, but I show up like that to them the way I show up to my podcast guests, the way I show up to my family, that I’m in relationship with my friends, and that’s the thing that has changed more than anything. So I do tell people about it. Mostly my family doesn’t really care, they don’t really even understand what it is like they’re so in their own world and in their own religious experience, still that they don’t really get it, they don’t understand that it’s a thing that it’s grown, that it has a lot of reach that people are super interested in it. So like, there’s a small subset of people I get to really celebrate my podcast with like, you are one of them. And you know, the other people in my life, like, everyone else could care less and

Brandon Handley 25:34
less interesting, though, you know, it’s all it’s always interesting to hear, you know, how you kind of charge for arthritis. What I’m hearing, you say, though, too, is, at some point, there was a merger of the two of us, or maybe there was a, or maybe the you left behind all of all of this, and you’re like, this is all I’m going to be, you know, this is who I am. Now, this, this is what this looks like, to me about like that decision? Because I think that’s pretty interesting.

Krista Xiomara 26:01
Yeah, I mean, I think that our society asks that of us, our society asks us, all of us, men, women, children, mothers, fathers, to show up in these really specific ways. And even the people that we have relationships with, sometimes don’t even want to see all of us. And so in my book of the book, that I’m writing, the alchemy of kindness, I say in there multiple times that it’s like an it’s like an act of bravery, to never turn against yourself to love yourself, no matter what you do, because we all make mistakes where, you know, I don’t always show up compassionately. Although like, I wish I could I wish I that would be like every day of my existence. But I still fail in that in interactions and certain things like that. So for me, thinking about that, that whole idea of coming home to yourself and having that, that, basically, it’s like if you think about it visually, like maybe you’re projecting out these different kind of what are they called, like emojis or I’m not, I can’t think of the word right now. But you’ve got these projections of yourself in the world. And in this journey, what we do is we like suck it all in and we become one, in and of ourselves. Because when I was living in that other place, I was very much at war with myself, I was at war with my ideals. I was at war with my words and my mind and everything. And being able to bring in all those parts of ourselves those avatars, that’s what I was trying to say, you know, we have these avatars of like, podcast, Brandon, and podcasts, or Brandon father, and all these things, these avatars, but we’re really the central core, we’re the bean and bringing it like bringing those avatars in as part of the work on this path. Because to live authentically and truly, in yourself is, is I think, again, the work that we have to do here because our society has become something very wild and different. And authenticity, authenticity and wholeness is not always wanted.

Brandon Handley 28:23
So, the one thing that I see out there a lot, and you know, again, I agree, I agree with everything you’re saying. The one thing I see out there a lot is is this idea of being the be your authentic self.

Krista Xiomara 28:36
Yeah. The bumper sticker.

Brandon Handley 28:38
Yeah, I haven’t seen it. But I haven’t seen a bumper sticker since March. Um, the the idea is, though, whoo, and what is your authentic self, and what you’re describing is like, stop, stop, stop, like projecting all of what you think everybody, you think what everybody wants to see. And pull that all back in. And really sit with yourself. Right. And, and, and, and that’s it. That’s just the one, the one self that that needs to happen. And that is your authentic self. And you’ll be able to know and feel your authentic self when every day doesn’t suck anymore.

Krista Xiomara 29:18
And when you’re not questioning everything, right, you know, you’re not in alignment with yourself. If you don’t know what you want, if you let people make decisions for you, if you feel uncomfortable, even facing yourself. Those are like the big red flags, that you’re not living in authenticity with yourself and that you are not in alignment with your core being. And I think a lot of people go on this spiritual journey. And that’s the outcome. The outcome is them coming home to themselves. A lot of the spiritual other work is healing and releasing stuff that no longer serves you and, and and finding your true self. Honestly, I’m sorry, I’m beating this To a dead horse, but it’s how I feel this journey is is. That is the purpose that, like all of us doing this work is like if we love ourselves, and this is a universal truth that I hated hearing, and I didn’t know it was true, I had to hear like 5000 times. But if we love ourselves, and we’re at harmony with ourselves, and we’re at peace with ourselves, and we are authentically in alignment with ourselves, the world aligns itself as well, because when we show up authentically, then we allow other people to show up authentically, when we are compassionate with ourselves and other people can give some self compassion to themselves and give themselves a break. Like that’s what it’s all about.

Brandon Handley 30:45
Where do you think you first saw that evidence, right evidence of that concept. And when did it finally click?

Krista Xiomara 30:53
I did say 10 years. At the yogic ashram, honestly, that was the first time where, like, the thing that with the authenticity, to just go back to the story about like, living in these dual places in my religion of origin, there was in the religion of origin, there was very much this idea of Do as I say, not as I do. And then going into the yogic ashram and watching people match up their actions with their words. And I was like, Oh, these people are living it. They’re living their true, honest, transparent, authentic selves. And I knew that that’s what I wanted, I didn’t know that the outcome would be this huge homecoming at all, I had no idea that that would happen. I just knew I didn’t want to be in conflict with myself anymore. And I felt very conflicted in my religious experience. Not because necessarily, even I wasn’t living up to the rules. But the goalposts was always moving. If we want to talk back again about the God thing. It was like, you know, I, I,

Unknown Speaker 32:05
I,

Krista Xiomara 32:06
you know, I was abstinent I didn’t do drugs, I didn’t, you know, drink, I didn’t curse, and I still wasn’t good enough for God, I still wasn’t good enough for my church, not you know, the goalpost just kept moving. And then you I went to the yoga ashram, and I’m like, No, these people, they know what they’re doing.

Brandon Handley 32:27
That’s hilarious. You know, I was never none of those things. I probably would have been incinerated going in. And that’s always what I kind of thought. Like, they’re not they don’t want any of this. Um, you know, I love what you’re saying there, you see that these people are actually living their truth. And you know, you’re living your truth now. And then, you know, I like to hear how we’ll just call it like the universe has opened up for you, because your podcast looks like you’ve had, you know, just a great run, right? You’ve had a great run, you’re having great conversations. You’re putting out a book. My guess is you’ve got more behind that. But also sounds to me, like you’ve found a way to and I’m just guessing here, you found a way to like, kind of surrender to it and let it like, be organic.

Unknown Speaker 33:19
Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 33:21
That’s about that.

Krista Xiomara 33:22
Yeah. I mean, if we want to talk technically about the podcast, like, like anybody else, I started, I don’t know what the hell I was doing. And I had to learn how to edit. And all of that stuff. I just had an idea that I wanted to put this information out, and I just needed to find a way to do it. And I had to figure out all of those things. And what I, I recently did an interview with a gal about how to start a podcast and one of my advice for somebody was just go in knowing that it’s gonna evolve. And that’s part of the process instead of being stuck in this like, box. So my first two seasons, I didn’t know what I was doing. I changed the format a couple times, I changed the way it was, you know, presented, I changed my branding, and I did a bunch of things. Like, I didn’t know what I was doing. And that was okay. And finally, after with a lot of trial and error, like I think our life is supposed to be it’s supposed to be this loving, existence of trial and error, and we don’t get punished when we error. It’s just a learning lesson and we pivot, right? So I pivoted, and I found the right sequence. And I found an audience that resonated with what I was saying, which allowed me to bring bigger guests on because like, the bigger your podcast gets, the more people want to come. And I was just telling a Mona, who, you know, it’s funny to think when I started my podcast, like, every week, like seven people would listen to it and now it’s like, Up to 21,000 people a week. That’s a lot of people listening

Brandon Handley 35:03
does a lot of people. Yeah, not congratulations. That’s fantastic.

Krista Xiomara 35:06
But it was yours. You know, it’s not like that happened overnight. This it has been me just diligently sitting down and saying, I don’t care about the numbers. I don’t care about the monetary compensation, what I care about is being of service to people on the path who need help. And I’m going to show up, and this is what I’m going to do, as that’s as simple as I can explain it.

Brandon Handley 35:30
No, I mean, that’s perfect, right. But again, so thank you for that. What I’m looking for is just the path opening up, right? And it sounds to me again, like you’ve like, again, you’ve kind of surrendered, right? You’re not forcing something. You’re not saying hey, you didn’t come up and be like, Alright, well, 1231 2018, I’m looking for, like 75,000 downloads and that should that be a great year, right? Instead, you said, Hey, this neat, I need to do this, this is something I’m doing. This is something that I’m doing as much for me as for anybody else, I’m looking to be of service. I’m not looking for anything other than that, like you’re you’re doing it in an altruistic nature, right?

Krista Xiomara 36:16
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 36:17
But the idea is that once you kind of move with your intention with your purpose, and you know, you’re in full alignment, the idea is that the universe opens up for you. Have you found that to be true for yourself?

Krista Xiomara 36:30
Yeah. And that’s one of the universal truths. I know, you and I have talked about this already that it is true. I just think that when you go in, honestly, and you ask to co create with the universe, like, honestly, things just fall into place. And there’s no easier way to say it is that like, when I wanted to do the podcast, I was actually telling my therapist about it. And she told me about this guy who happened to produce his own podcast, and he could help me and he helped me and tell me get it off the ground. And it was like, in the alchemist, where Paulo Coelho quotecolo, says, you know, like, the universe will conspire to bring everything to your plate. And it, it really is true, I think, the thing that I would leave the audience with is that you just have to continue to make actionable steps and show up and sometimes your steps are in the wrong direction. But the universe will course correct for you, it’ll let you know you’re on the wrong path. And you just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And this idea of the surrender, is that I have this idea, but I’m not tied to it. And that’s where the surrender comes in. So I had this podcast idea, and I thought I wanted it to be this thing. And I let it evolve and become something that it is today and have had opportunities because of it. In that way, is a large surrender, because I let it do what it needs to do. And I’m just kind of the conduit at the end of the day. Does that answer it?

Brandon Handley 38:11
It does? Yep. I mean, that. Nailed it. So that I mean, that’s the space though. And then I think that how would you tell someone that you recognize that you’re a conduit?

Krista Xiomara 38:25
Hmm. That’s a really hard one. I would say first go read the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle Lee, and help you, you have to do I think anybody This is just a generalization, I think if you want to become a conduit, and a true co creator with divinity, you have to face the, I guess, the idea that you have an ego. And you have to kind of fight with your ego until your ego takes a step back. Because a lot of work can be done from the ego. And a lot can come from the ego. But where that becomes a problem is I think, if you’re working egoic Lee, it takes you out of that alignment, and that co creation, and then you start to have, you know, obstacles or things don’t kind of flow as easily. I’ve seen that too. And I’ve, I’ve had to fight with my own ego all the time, you know, throughout this whole process and to continue to recognize when it’s trying to push itself forward when really the universe is asking me to show up in a very different way. So I would say start there. And then just know and trust like I do say this in my book, too. It’s the it’s in the introduction and it’s the I say that When I went on the spiritual journey, there were two things that I learned. And the first one is that when you go on a journey, whether it’s like physical or spiritual, there are proverbial, you know, twists and turns and things you cannot anticipate you have to be ready for that. But the second thing that you learn on this journey, if you stay open, is that the universe is literally there to bring you the tools, the people, the experiences, anything, you need to be able to become the conduit to your own life journey, and show up in a way that resonates with people. So that we can all help each other.

Brandon Handley 40:40
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, what I’m what I think I hear you say that, too, is uh, you know, egos, the guy that says, you know, ego egos the voice inside you saying, I’m doing this, this is me, watch what I can do. Right. And whereas the conduit says, I have the resources of the universe, and it’s just flowing through me, I literally wrote down this morning, I wrote down this morning, the idea that I’m, from a humanity standpoint, if I view myself as strictly human, then all I’m left with his, you know, my human capabilities, and the things of this world, right now, if I open myself up to being divine, or of this universe changes, right? I mean, and so there’s nothing you can’t do. Right? And I don’t have to be and I’m not the one doing it. Right. And you know, so I think that’s what I’m hearing you say, right, and kind of break in and having that breakthrough. And then looking for evidence of that, right? I think that that’s really important. Right? So to set your intention to say that I want to become a conduit, here’s, you know, you’re talking about breaking through the egoic structure, and then saying, you know, now, where am I seeing it? Right? How am I seeing it? And I think that that comes from setting an intention and not acting on it right forcefully in such a way that to your point, like you do need to take action, right, there needs to be some type of whatever move to go get it. This is, you know, the call of, Hey, this is the hero’s call type thing, you know, you’re called to go do this thing. I’m not gonna do it. And so nothing’s gonna happen then, right? There is no transformation, there is no transition. If you’re called hero’s calling, like, Alright, I’m gonna go do it. And then you’re met with obstacles, but like, right behind that obstacles, like the thing like shut up? Right? All I had to do was pick up that rock. That’s crazy.

Krista Xiomara 42:34
Yeah. And I would say that a prayer that has become like, a mantra to me is, I will literally say to the universe, like, I want to do this thing. And I don’t know if it’s right. But I’m gonna take these steps. And I’ll just wait for you to answer. And that’s literally what I do when I want to do something new. Or I want to venture out into something else, or write a book. I just say, I don’t know if this is right, this is what’s in my heart. And I need you to tell me if I’m on the wrong track, and I’ve never been misled. It’s never it’s, it’s it’s either shut doors, or open doors. And that’s how I know. And it’s like, you know, we have all of these other senses that we can tap into from our own divinity that allows us the wisdom to know what’s the next right step every time.

Brandon Handley 43:28
That’s awesome. That’s a great one. That’s a great one. So your book is coming out when when can we expect your book,

Krista Xiomara 43:35
ah, this has been like the biggest labor of love that I’ve ever had in my life. It’s taken me two years to finish this book. And I’m still not even done yet. I’m I’m My goal is to get it done by December and have it out. And in mid March is the goal to after it goes to the drafts and the covers and all of that. But my, I think also to let me just back it up for a second what I’ve learned on this, this journey, as well, and having the podcast is that a lot of people have different entry points into spirituality, how we find it some for some people, it’s addiction for some people, it’s trauma for some people, it’s the religious experience for some people, it’s, you know, no religious experience, but we all have these entry points, but we all come together at some point our experiences kind of merge at some point. But the the, the conflict that I was talking about earlier that can that was contained in my mind was also this deep seated self hatred. And that was my entry point. And because I only needed peace, and I didn’t need peace with the world, I needed peace with myself cuz I hated myself. I hated everything about me. I hated myself to the core. And it’s like one of those things that people never want to talk about. But it was a it was a very big struggle of mine. And it was my entry point. into leaving my religion that I had an inclination that it was a contributing factor to my self hatred. But I didn’t quite know if it was. And so the journey of the alchemy of kindness, the book is about, like, traversing my past to understand where did the separation happen, that I started to hate myself, because I certainly wasn’t born hating myself. I be and then I did. And then unraveling the tools that I picked up, that helped me reverse that self hatred, and then the practices and the daily living, that allows me to stay in congruence with myself and in love with myself in an authentic way, not just like, Oh, I love myself. Not like that, like truly like, yeah, like, I don’t say, a harmful word about myself, don’t criticize myself, all those things. And so this book, I knew, like I did with the podcast, I knew that once I got through that whole thing, I really wanted to create a roadmap for people to unravel their self hatred, because it is a true epidemic in our society. And the, you know, the most hardest part of self hatred is is annihilation. And so, you know, I had a couple of times where I had suicidal attempts with my life. And because I was just like, I cannot stand myself, like, I have ruined everything. I’m like, an embarrassment to my family, and all of these things. And my self hatred took me all the way up to annihilation, like it does with a lot of people. But there’s another way, you know, there’s another way and the other way is that you’re fine. And you’re great. Just The Way You Are you just have been told you aren’t.

Brandon Handley 46:56
No, that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Would you look at that, as you know, hatred is a gateway or addressing your pain as a gateway? How would you? How would you kind of determine to find that?

Krista Xiomara 47:08
Well, so for me for my experience, and I think it can be both and I’m guessing, for me, it was that I was in so much pain with my own internal conflict, like not being able to look at myself in the mirror for very long, or not being able to be in relationship with people and feel like they didn’t like me, because I didn’t like me. Like, I just assumed everybody hated me, because I hated myself to know. And the the pain of that was like, okay, there’s something really traumatic living here, that I have to address now. And what is that, and I didn’t do it on my own, which I say in the book, you know, I definitely had to go to therapy, I had to have a lot of spiritual experiences that helped me, come home to myself. And then the, the longevity of my self love really came into focus when I found Buddhism, because Buddhism is truly a homecoming. It’s like, go and be by yourself, and sit with yourself, and be okay with everything that is, but be okay with yourself. That was like the most eye opening teaching I could have received is what the Buddha did in his life. And I was like, Oh, this is how I’m supposed to exist within myself, then I can attain that, and I’m gonna live it and practice it until it’s in, like every molecule of my body. Right? So yeah,

Brandon Handley 48:46
just just be that. I love that. So you said, you mentioned your spiritual experiences a couple of times do you have like one or two that you could, you know, specifically point to as a specific spiritual experience?

Krista Xiomara 49:01
Like, do you mean through the self that allowed me to create some some self healing in this vein of the book or some are just like spiritual experiences

Brandon Handley 49:11
that yeah, I mean, you pointed to, you know, you pointed to like, along the way, having some spiritual experiences and you know, what does that mean? And what is one that might be specific?

Unknown Speaker 49:20
Mmm hmm.

Krista Xiomara 49:26
Let me think, um, I think one of the, one of the most significant spiritual experiences I had was, when I was in this really, I’ve had like, a couple dark nights of the soul. I would say, I think we all do in our life because it’s hard to navigate humanity being human. But in one particular one, it was up towards the beginning of my spiritual journey. And I don’t know why I looked it up. But I looked up like spiritual cleansing or healing or something. And I found out about Reiki for the first time. I’m, it’s an energy healing modality. And I went on and I looked at all of these people online, and I started to look at their faces. And I was like, Hmm, I could send something about each person’s, you know, you look at pictures, and you can really kind of get a sense of the person’s own energy. And I landed on this girl named Chelsea. And she is like this petite, tiny, little white, white light Angel, very creature that I don’t even think she’s human is what I’ve just decided. And she, I went to her. And I just was like, I feel like I have a great deal of dark energy within me. I’ve done therapy, I’ve gone on spiritual retreats, and there’s just this thing that’s stuck. And I don’t know how to get it out. And my curiosity led me here, can we work together, and she gave me my first Reiki healing that I had ever had. And I literally feel like she physically pulled out this darkness from my body, and liberated whatever that part was of me. And I saw her for a handful of more, have more sessions. But I think she truly was the person that I just think she did her work, so I could do my work. And I needed to go see her. And that was, that changed me I was forever changed by this very healing process that I didn’t even understand that at the time, I didn’t know anything about Reiki, I didn’t know how it worked. I didn’t understand it. And it was really bizarre going through it the first time. And but also, just like, this beautiful experience that truly, I think, went beyond the natural world of something I could never understand, I still I still struggle to understand how it all works, and how it’s all connected. But that was a really big experience that helped me, it was a spiritual tool I took on the way to back to myself.

Brandon Handley 52:24
That’s powerful. I mean, if you’ve got all that darkness, you know, caught up in Saudi and somebody quite literally able to rip it out of you without I mean, they don’t, they don’t touch you, right, like, I mean, now. This is a this is a you know, and if you can go through that and have that kind of sensation as you leave that place. And, you know, there’s no drugs involved. There’s no like weird things happening outside of that thing. That’s powerful. And that’s, that’s something that resonates.

Krista Xiomara 52:52
And she was powerful. Like, I clearly didn’t even know what was happening or what was going on. And she was so powerful that she was able to do this thing that was set me back on my course and really liberated me. And it was like all those things. It was like the therapy and it was like my spiritual journey and reading books and letting go of my ego and dispelling all the stories I had told about myself. And then I needed this other thing that could help me literally lighten up so I could enlightened because I was stuck. I was truly, truly stuck.

Brandon Handley 53:36
So the real recommendation here is go read Eat, Pray Love. Yes. And this will get you started. Right? Right. And along the way, pick up Chris’s book, which will be out in March of 2021. Right? I mean, you can just set the date, let’s just do it, right. It’s common, it’ll be there. And then, you know, go over and you wish wish was some people go

Krista Xiomara 54:00
check it out. You can just find me on Instagram at IN w podcast, I’m in the process of redoing my website and stuff. And I do have some other projects that are not ready to be spoken about. But there’ll be very exciting in the near future. But Instagrams the best place to catch me for now while I revamp everything.

Brandon Handley 54:20
Okay, so if you’re listening today, then make sure you head on over to spiritual dope or the podcast outline and the link for Chris’s Instagram to the podcasts will be available for you. So Chris, thank you so much for coming on today. And you know, sharing pieces of your journey and how you got there and just spend some time with us today. I think that I think what you shared it out today was super valuable for anybody who’s tuning in. Yeah,

Krista Xiomara 54:45
thank you for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed our time together.

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Sean & I first met a few years back on Fatherhood for the Rest of Us & we hit it off… to me it was obvious he needed to be a guest on Spiritual Dope. I hope that you enjoy listening to this episode as we did having the conversation.

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go. Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Sean McCoy who is one of the hosts of the company table podcast, which is a series of recorded conversations, which he invites people to come to the table to have authentic, open and honest conversations across a spectrum of subjects ranging from difficult fun to controversial, the primary goal of the interaction is exemplified love and understanding and a discussion that would inform the listener while encouraging the happy conversation of their own. Man. It’s been a minute and for those of you that don’t know, Shawn, I’ve had a couple conversations before that was back in fatherhood for the rest of us. And when I spun up spiritual dope, I came across like your podcast has like, man, let’s get you back on so so I’m so thrilled to have you back on. Thanks for showing up today.

Unknown Speaker 1:07
It’s a pleasure to be here, my friend. And I really love what you’re doing. You know, when I first saw the title, I was just kind of was enamored with this idea, cuz I’ve had my own transition, even the last 24 to 36 months around around cannabis and around what that what that word means. And then I think just the idea of that intimacy with the divine intimacy with where you’re going with life, just in another way, you just kind of you just bring it the style as far as just as it’s very open, very inclusive. You’re trying to understand there’s no, there’s no desire to control or is it to overcome or to try to convince and I just think it’s a beautiful way to do it, man. Appreciate your work.

Brandon Handley 1:41
Now, thank you so much. Thank you. So I appreciate that means a lot. It really does. We’d like to start this off I say we on the host creator and all the other things but I like to start these off with the idea that you are a vessel for the divine right and and what comes through you needs to come through you for the universe to operate at its optimal scale. Right. And it needs to, you need to deliver a message to somebody who’s listening today. Right? What is that message that’s coming through today? Sure.

Sean McCoy 2:10
So I just finished coincidentally, the book it’s called the physics of God with Joseph Selby. And Joseph Selby is a quantum physicist. And I’m in the in the so interesting to me that I finished it today coming on your show, because one of the things in so he interplays You know, he kind of remarries science and religion, which I think had the big split back in the time of Galileo and Copernicus that was really kind of this, the beginning of the end of that that beautiful relationship where it had to be one or the other. And that dichotomy that dualism, I just, it has to be that’s been a big area of growth, for me personally, just getting away from all that polarity. But in that one of the things that he talked about was in Genesis, he alludes to this idea of looking at these quantum experiments and talking about quantum entanglement quantum foam, and all these other real fancy words. And I’m, I can, Sam, if he asked me to explain it to you unpack it, about 50 60% of it, because it’s not, you know, I’m a pretty heady guy, like I like to think but it’s, it’s complicated. But overall, one of the things that underlying things that made me think of what you just said was, in Genesis, we’ve heard this phrase anybody’s heard it, that man is made in God’s image in the typical response to the typical kind of human thought is that there’s a human element to God and he created and that, you know, we had, he had elbows and maybe some sort of element of the physical versus this idea from a quantum standpoint of looking and saying, no, it’s eternal consciousness that God has, that he’s infusing and creating you with that image, because that’s what we all have internally. So instead of being limited by the physical, and saying, Oh, this must be some physical manifestation of God, it’s more of a vessel to hold the manifestation of God which is the eternal self and the eternal consciousness of all of us so that I just kind of felt like that was one of those points in my head as I was listening to it this morning as I was out mountain biking like I just told you to do now the just in terms of your show and just the people in who’s out there wanting to know what what in the world is going on? Where is my place? And all this? What how in the world? What do I know to believe in because as soon as you find anything, there’s some other use especially now you can google anything and there’s gonna be somebody else telling you all the things that are wrong with it doesn’t matter if it’s a business No matter if it’s a belief or whatnot. And I think part of that mystery and part of that chaos is intentional into give us this this desire to seek and this desire to continue to go internally and this desire to truly try to be intimate with both ourselves others and the divine and so the ultimate message around all of that is that in that journey you’re not alone is one of the biggest lies out there this You and I were talking about our reminiscing I think you remember that shoot out the shower story that I told you about that is not out here this is I you know, I was first deciding to become a Christian and following go against this all this stuff I’d ever thought and like what in the world is my problem and I was in the gym in in the water was coming to my head and it was black and I can remember that you know this this radiance you know I get away from this idea that it’s light darkness but just this radiance off in the distance that you know started to go to and I could feel it. Like I’m like in my body but I’m normal but then my it’s this weird thing started to transition I got scared, right? You get kind of like, Whoa, this is way too kind of UI. I know one of your big questions about you know, and I don’t go too far ahead, but just understanding that you’re your own self, you know, your your self awareness and, and then I kind of put the kibosh on it, you know, just that moment of just fear. And, and you’d mentioned, yeah, you kind of you’re like, yeah, you’re not gonna have that same. So I think that idea of, I think if we all took a step back, and all the weird stuff, we’ve been through all the stuff that we’ve experienced, it doesn’t make any sense that it’s okay to it’s okay to relish and it’s okay to be to sit in the mystery and to sit in the unknown. And that I think we get too involved sometimes to try and to fill it, try to give it some parameter and some frame. And just instead of just basking in the idea that there’s a, there’s an element of this that we just can’t figure out. And then even if we do figure it, even if even as we go on that journey, what you may define as the divine or what you may define as these things, so not it doesn’t become a situation where I’m trying to get you to understand it the way that I do. But we can kind of find some commonality back to what we’re talking about before. One of the big words that’s been kind of redefined for me is the word peace for a long time. Always envision peace as this idea that there’s no problems that everything is you know, calm. It’s like just, there’s there’s no issues, there’s no anger, there’s no fighting, there’s no, it’s just one thing. And if you go back and look at the Hebrew word Shalom, and really what it means it talks about tension, like this tension between between areas, and if you look at the way bridges work, you’ll get the way that how’s it anything, that what creates that structures, there’s there’s counter tensions all over the place, right? tension bridge, and you’d suspend ropes, muscle works by tension, and so is it but when you look at it, we look at a bridge, it’s not moving, but it’s under incredible tension. And we see it when that tension breaks. So in terms of human in terms of relational aspects, it’s not about whether or not I can convince you of something that I think is right, or try to get you on my team, or try to use fear and shame and manipulation and power and authority because of my own shortcomings to get you to conform to something that I want to but can I sit in the attention of a differentiating opinion, thought truth, whatever you want to call it? It? Can I relish with you in that it can that is that okay? And I think that that’s where When, when, when all the great wisdom books talk about peace, I think if you really break it down, and if you really go further into the, the basic tenants of all of them, that’s what they’re talking about. And it’s not that you can get rid of that tension. And so we try to act like you know, it’s always like, you go back and read ancient wisdom books, again, it’s like, you can hear today’s story, then I was just having this conversation with my hands, you can hear the you go back and read him back at Kurt, you just got into reading Jeremiah, which is one of my favorite Old Testament prophets. And it sounds like they’re talking about today, those books were written 2800, you know, 3000 years ago now, you know, in terms of accuracy and verbatim, and is it inherent? I’m not an inerrant. I’m not gonna say, I mean, nothing is inerrant. I think that’s part of the beauty and mystery of all this. And so it’s more about the con, it’s more about what was the big takeaway, if somebody’s lamenting, if they’re not sure about tomorrow, there’s all these what do they do, there’s the chaos of life. It’s never, it’s just crazy, right? And we like to think that it’s never been crazier and never been more worried, never ever been weird or never been more uncertain than it is now. Because it’s the only reality that we have. It’s like the cart totally kind of thing of like, it’s just the power of the moment. And we sometimes dismiss and forget of what has come before us. And so so but when you read these old ancient writers, and you’re like, wait a minute, that sounds like now. And so because we think that because technology or other things have progressed, that means people are progressed with it. And it’s not really what that’s not the same. It’s not the same thing. It just means we’re right, we’re doing this by computer on on the internet versus, you know, versus some written letters like back in the day and look at some of the founding fathers and some of the people before that they would have these great debates. And people don’t realize that they would have them over the period of weeks and months over written letters, right, versus we can talk all day long over and over again, re edited and other assist, right, it’s all here for us. So really all that to say, you know, the three great questions that I always think about in terms of what people are, can take away when you’re looking at things and where they can find hope and inspiration, in a sense is as you look at things that used to be Is it good? Is it true? Is it beautiful, was the original kind of that’s the first way to look at it. I’ve been having this internal war around dualism, because as soon as you because good and bad is all subjective, even then, as an opposite you start going down that road. And you know, truth is a is a funny thing.

Unknown Speaker 9:12
Is it so as I know, that’s absolutely true. It’s like wow, you know, I used to think so too. Not so much anymore. And so instead of that, I like to say, is it beneficial? Is it is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? And so in terms of is it beneficial? Because that that really broadens that ability to understand the impact something has on you know, is it a bad thing to have cancer? Well, it could kill you. And that’s our initial thought is No. But if you’ve been around suffering, if you’ve been around some of these things that people go through, there’s a there’s a transformation that happens and this comes in part of the journey. The last couple years of recognizing this frequency isn’t you talk about your undercurrent to talk about formulas that walk through life, others a gentleman by the name of Alexander john Shi’a, who is one of two people they’ve been the most profound, had the most profound impact on me in the last couple of years, just in turn. My way see the divine The way I see the Christ if you will

Brandon Handley 10:05
see an author or friend or he’s

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kind of a way to become a friend like him and I like we actually talk once a week now we’re doing some things personally but he from a from an educational standpoint, was a anthropologist. He went to university Notre Dame, he studied under Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell was the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell was inspired Star Wars, right. So just he was a student of Joseph Campbell.

Brandon Handley 10:26
That’s some powerful lineage right there.

Unknown Speaker 10:28
Yes. And so it’s so this comes into play, because you could you know, this, around the storyline. And so, but he grew up, he grew up Maronite Catholic, but he grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, in the 50s. And he’s Lebanese, he was first generation full Lebanese in, in the US. But because of this goes into this country how this works out because of segregation laws in the 50s. And 60s, they weren’t allowed to live anywhere by themselves. So they were like, it was like living back in Lebanon. So the irony is in terms of, like beneficial, so we would say none of us, I mean, like to think but would say that we should have laws that separate people based on ethnicity. But there’s a beautiful way that shows Well, something that’s negative like that can actually become a bit of a positive, if you will, depending and it allowed them to grow up kind of in this old way. He grew up basically in a Lebanese village in Birmingham, Alabama, with just his just his people, because the laws around it wouldn’t allow for them. And he was 13th 13th generation, his lineage goes back that many like 1300 years in terms of this particular tribe and his people and so he wasn’t a student of following that of Christ. You lived it, like it was a every day, embodied, very intimate, very traditional, very ritualistic very much in that in this in this sense, and not traditional like is in terms of like closed off. But in terms of like internal internal kind of discovery, internal kind of looking at is in terms of So anyway, partly Isn’t he but he realizes he needs to go somewhere else besides seminary, he needs to go somewhere besides your traditional and become just a priest because he was supposed to, that’s the reason he was named Alexander. So he goes to Notre Dame realizes that he cannot really get exposed to this because you can become this anthropology student in between Joseph Campbell and just the teachers that it blows up his whole foundation, because he was in this tribalistic, kind of like almost kind of set. And now it opens up his mind all these other ways. And all these other things, he starts to see the same pattern of the same elements throughout all these different whether it’s an ancient civilizations or current ones. And there’s uniqueness. But there’s also this synergy. And he starts to recognize this one, and he goes and becomes you get this masters and his PhD in clinical psychology. And then he goes on to use that as a practice. But he really is this internal struggle, he spends 40 years, and he has this moment where he takes the hero’s journey, Joseph Campbell’s journey, you can kind of come up different variations where there’s kind of four primary paths, there’s the first party step into the challenge, right, there’s the there’s the opportunity where you can begin the path. Second is the issues, the obstacles that you that you go through. Third is that is the transformation evolution, the fruit, the boom that you get in the fourth is in the service relative to that. And so that’s the those are the main Crux doesn’t mean tenants. What’s interesting about those four concepts is they are also the main tenants of all of our lives. As I start to see it, we all know this story. We’ve all had challenges, we’ve either stepped into it because we decided to a new job, a new podcast, a new, a new whatever, you have these moments of like stepping into this idea of like understanding things a different way. That takes courage. And there’s a step into that, right. And then there’s then what you do is like, great, here we go. And then all sudden you trip, you’re like, oh, what’s going on, and there’s obstacles, and that suffering is typically looked at as something we’re trying to avoid. But the irony is, that is part of that crucible that is part of that that intensity that allows for growth to happen, that’s where you become, I don’t like to use the word strong because it starts to create a, an element of like physicality, with just the ability to resist and that’s that growth that comes through that resistance, if you will. So as you grow through that, well, then there becomes a point when there’s a fruit, there’s a boon that happens, right? There’s something there’s an evolution, there’s a transformation, there’s a recognition, it’s like rings on a tree is that grow out, right? Don’t say this is the next ring, and you’re there. Yeah. And then of course, the fourth pass is this really, really critical part? Because now that you’ve done that, what are you going to do with this gift that you’ve been given? What is this new perspective? And now you start back at the first path, right? And now you start over because it’s not a linear thing? You’re not trying to get to a place and be done it’s this just continues man, we’re just on this.

Brandon Handley 14:12
Right? Absolutely. So you know, we got we got a lot in there to unpack my friend we got a lot and unpack so I’m ending with that last piece that she just said there. You know, the idea of to me is kinda like that Golden Ratio right of how the spiral continues to get larger as you say, you know, you start off in the beginning and then that’s your story like it just continues to get larger there’s more greater pieces that come into it but you keep circling around kind of the the primary aspects of your life and and your story, right, but everything else you bring into it, it gets larger, your boobs get larger, your challenges seem larger to the people beneath you, but like the those challenges are just your next evolution point. And it’s also like you said here, too With the idea of Yeah, going through all that, and then what do you do with that? Boom, right? This is done. I mean, look, man, not for nothing. That’s what you and I are doing with these podcasts, right? we’ve, we’ve discovered something else in our lives that it makes sense to share it out with other people help people maybe to find that for themselves. You know, a big piece that I’m doing right now is comes out of a book called power versus force. And the idea of, you know, accepting that challenge, Shawn, it’s gonna take what what’s it going to take? It’s gonna take a little bit of courage to take that step if you don’t take that step, right. The refusal of the call, right, that’s another part that’s a you know, that’s another big part. Right? So if you refuse to call the hero, that’s where you find in my mind, you find a lot of regret the coulda, shoulda woulda is what if I didn’t take that path? Right. So that’s kind of the refusal is is leads to this kind of life less lived. scenario.

Unknown Speaker 15:54
So stillborn is the word I always think about. Hmm, wow. So stillborn or stagnant? Like, like, if you refuse to recognize that pet like you don’t have to go down it. You don’t. I mean, you can even be when you’ve had, I’m sure you’ve seen people where you’ve had a major life challenge or change. It’s even forced upon them. And they’re still it’s like this, we call it denial or whatever. But they’re just not not going down the path. And so it’s like a broken record just kind of caught. Yeah. In that. You can’t go any further. And that’s the that’s the irony. Is it in? Is it everybody has the opportunity to say no, but you don’t have to go down these paths you, you can get the boon and then just sit on it. Right, right. Yeah, you’ve decided to take this. I hear it when you’re when you’re talking. Like there’s been a revelate there’s an intimacy there’s, you’ve seen something and now you’re like, ah, heck do I do with this thing? That’s it.

Brandon Handley 16:39
I mean, that’s, that’s it? 100%? Right. I mean, that’s the that’s the genesis of spiritual dope, right? The deal is that here, here, there’s this new, not necessarily even a new way of thinking, it’s just new to me way of being. And now how do I integrate that with all the other things and everything else has always ever been, and not even necessarily for benefits so that I can exist on all planes of existence, right? And just keep moving forward. And not feel as though I’m not honoring my inner self as well. Right, this connection to God, this divine right, this thing that really deserves much more honoring than I’ve ever given it before. But now that it’s here, I’m like,

Unknown Speaker 17:20
shit,

Brandon Handley 17:21
we got to do something here. Right. Right. So and, and, you know, I mean, just just for your own knowledge, like, I struggled with that, because it’s something that I’ve been with for a while, and I did the other podcast where I did prosperity practice, right. But then I was like, I’m still not honoring the truth of how I’m feeling right. I had a few conversations with some people that I knew that were and are. And I was like, well, there’s no reason why I can’t do it, too. Right. So let’s, let’s begin it with spiritual dope, right, let’s, uh, you know, I can help people through through that and find people such as yourself, and some others that are leading a life through spirituality, and having a more fulfilled kind of life purpose, because of it, right. And when they, you know, when they get to the end of it, they’re gonna be like, I did everything to honor like, the divine within myself. Right.

Unknown Speaker 18:11
Right. And also, it’s also a gift, right? It’s part of this is this, the opportunity comes to me you sort of define kind of why I mean, like, I love science, like it’s a part of this book is teaching us we can’t really trust even what we’re measuring. Even if we could, you know, the irony to science is they could never answer. Scientifically speaking, you cannot use the scientific method to answer the question that we all want to know.

Brandon Handley 18:35
At least it’s subjective, it’s always going to be subjective, actually, I mean, I did a podcast on last week on this, right. Like, the whole idea is like, it will always be subjective. But there are distinctive patterns in people who have fallen into this. And that’s, that’s why when you read meditations, that’s why when you read the Bible, that’s why when you know, you read any book of wisdom, you can now see that pattern, you’re like, holy shit, that’s the pattern. And and you can recognize that everywhere you go, you know, so the whole idea of everything’s a miracle and nothing’s a miracle. Everything’s God or nothing’s God, right? Like, you just got to make that choice. And that’s what you’ll see. So you know, one of the things that we you touched on it right was the you’re kind of yours what yours was quite literal, come to Jesus moment, while we talk about what that was like for you again, because this This podcast is, it’s also the gives people that understanding of Alright, well, this is happening to me now, what do I do with it? Right? We’ve been through a part of that. Obviously, we haven’t gotten to the end. But what does it look like from your perspective?

Unknown Speaker 19:44
Well, I think part of it is you have to be willing to relinquish control in a sense of what you think you know, and what you think is even possible, and that we’ve allowed ourselves I know I did for a long time. So when I was younger, up into my early 30s allowed myself to believe that because I was heady and because I was smart, because I had, you know, people told me so and I knew it. But somehow you’ve got that you’ve kind of figured it out. There’s there’s a, there’s a humble aspect to all this, that if that if I were to say anything from a preparation standpoint, it’s truly and this is our podcast, the one that I did. And even I think it dissipated a conversation, are you willing to just listen to this, hear it out. Now, I understand that you can’t hear out everything that’s ever thrown at you. And there’s a lot of noise out there. And there that is now more than ever, so the biggest challenge are so much noise, right? We can get lost in YouTube for hours and not even know where we’re at, or Instagram or whatever, you can get lost in the noise. But back you’re saying about this frequency? If it’s answers those questions, is it beneficial? Is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? Whoever saying it or whatever saying it, I think if you use that as kind of a starting point, say and then hear it out? I mean, how do you how do you sit there and listen to some of these ancient masters and some ancient people that and I mean, like even modern day ancients when they give wisdom and they give when they when they talk about these things. So all that to say that, just just be humble about what you’re doing. And be humble about the approach and realize that it’s okay to say that you don’t know something. And and then allow yourself to then explore and in really taking things that are uncomfortable, it took me forever, Brandon to not wince during the name Jesus. I mean, it took me years to not because for years, I was kind of like the, the church leader on Saturday Night Live where it was like, I would hear that word and just go, Oh, God, every time somebody resists Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you know, kind of thing. It took me a while to tour that name didn’t, didn’t bother me. So I think in terms of that, in terms of that approach, there’s also a little bit of grace you have to give yourself to understand your and you have to knock off some of these old habits. This idea of, like, favorite real quick,

Brandon Handley 21:47
what is Grace mean to

Unknown Speaker 21:49
Grace’s the capacity for growth, the capacity for wandering and being lost a little bit from making the decision that maybe turns out later Nabis beneficial graces allowing for exploration and just the existence of a maybe even since I was a negative energy, but just an incomplete perspective, allowing for that incomplete perspective of yourself because that’s the thing we become self critical. Go back. I should have known better. How did I not know better? Oh my gosh, now that I know I will never get it wrong again. Right now. Okay, now I get it all now get all figured out. But just do it this way. It’ll stay that way. And I won’t falter. This hole is the one phrase that is getting more and more old for me is around. Oh, well. Nobody’s perfect. yet. We got that part. Everybody. Like we we all check the box that nobody’s perfect. That’s true. Okay, but what does that even mean? So that means there’s that there’s an allowance for for that stumbling. There’s an allowance for just that even hurt and pain and just being flat out wrong. In some cases. Last night on LinkedIn, of all places on social media, I saw a gracious interaction between two people, where one person was just being a smartass, and just a just a troll, just a absolute troll and just the other person responded with absolute kindness, absolute kind of truly, this and I even reached out to him personally. And now we’re connected and they’re gonna come on this oil and gas podcast that I’m doing because I’m like, I’m like, that was an amazing example of just, it was inspiring because to see somebody do what you hear mostly is all the ridiculousness, right? We don’t see that. So grace, and even if you do, Grace is allowing, what about that idiot? What about? I was I talk to my people that I know that follow Christ? And they’re like, do you know that Paul wrote half the New Testament, more than half the New Testament? Oh, by the way, he had a massive conversion story. There was a there was a point in his life where he killed Christians, because he just just because to eradicate them from the earth, like in a is awful ways you can approach a group of people like just ethnic cleansing, he was the guy in charge. And I was like, What? Yeah, the guy who wrote more than half the New Testament is attributed with with living a lifestyle like that.

Brandon Handley 23:57
I did not know that. I mean, that’s I mean, that that again, that’s, I mean, that’s a powerful image. It just one of the things that you think about right brings to my mind anyways, is maybe even our judicial system, or our penal system, right? Where, hey, somebody goes and makes like this stupid mistake, right? Murder is a stupid mistake. Not everybody means to murder somebody in this in certain scenarios. And I think that something you and I have probably learned along our path is how to, you know, not let our not be controlled by our emotions. It’s something you hear everybody always say, but that’s not easy to learn. Right? And it’s, it’s not easy to get somebody who’s a good teacher that either right and so that we don’t have a whole lot of examples of that. So, you know, somebody goes to the penal system, murder somebody, I’m not saying that’s a good idea. Don’t go out and do it. But in the end, like, I mean, you’re still going to be accepted by God. That was a big mistake, but like, this person still has the capability to become and do some great things. for humanity?

Unknown Speaker 25:01
Well, let’s do that. What makes me think of that is a former military. And so murder dependent back to the good and bad was beneficial, not beneficial, but what we celebrate our heroes in the uniform, right? The most celebrated people. I mean, Chris Kyle, people like that, that we think about, he was a sniper, like his entire job was to kill people were the right man. That’s what he did. I mean, that’s not such sugarcoat what his what his job was, and what he was given awards for, and medals and book deals, and a movie was made. So So it all depends on context and the perspective of whether you think it’s the right thing or not. So I think that’s, that’s really important, too. And then, and then again, back to your question about grace and redemption is it should it only be for one or the other based on what we think is, you know, acceptable or beneficial things are good or bad at that time. And that’s where you talk about dope. And one of the big areas in my life that kind of took a big, a very big deconstruction, or just was around legal narcotics is around drugs, including psychedelics, and I grew up kid in the 80s, total square, I didn’t drink till I was 21. Because it was illegal. That would give me a hard time they thought it was ridiculous that would do that. I was just kind of the way that I was wired. It didn’t mean that I didn’t drink. It didn’t mean I didn’t speed. It didn’t mean I didn’t break the law, or I wasn’t, you know, I’m not I’m not Jesus, and nor do I claim to be, but I tried to strive towards that, in the last couple years, one of the areas that that really kind of shattered this idea of kind of this, this belief, I was given before these this perspective, that was defined around illegal narcotics and the whole story behind that whole the whole drug war and start looking at cannabis, as well. I think it’s funny, we call it spiritual dope. It’s like, you know, if you go back and read, look and look at the plan to look at what it is, I can honestly think that might be the most valuable plant ever that God’s ever created, the utility of that plan is incredible in every way. And so the idea that we’ve outlawed it, especially based on something like race, and we’ve criminalized it, and there’s people that if you look at our our incarceration rate in the last 50 years in the United States, leads the world in incarceration per cat. I mean, that’s, that’s not something we should want to be number one, and that is any group in the organization, right? I mean, mass incarceration is not, it’s not a sign of a healthy, vibrant culture, in my opinion, which is really incredible. If you think of how well we’ve done economically, or even everything else, that we’ve done this with a massive segment of our population, disproportionately, you know, disassociated from everything that we do. And I think that’s a real opportunity going forward. But part of the pandemics put out there and pushing these social issues to the top is it’s like, it’s not about even equality, or just you know, we have to have, you know, a one of everything. It’s more like, you’re just you haven’t tapped into this base. It’s almost like knowledge, like, you haven’t even tapped into this amazing group of people. And you’ve been putting them to the side and oppressing them. And now it’s a chance to bring back everyone to the table, man, what you know, got Gumbo and all that stuff. You know, it’s all better when there’s this massive numbers of ingredients going into it,

Brandon Handley 27:43
not 100% and I love me some gumbo. I’m loving some gumbo, the you know, you brought you know bringing up dope, right? Like so what is your spiritual hit? Like what it what is your spiritual high?

Unknown Speaker 27:56
It’s happened to me a couple times. And it’s that revelation or that being exposed to something that I didn’t even know I needed to know, that I didn’t even know was even possible. And it kind of redefines what it resets the foundation it is. There’s a part of it that is awful. Because it’s like erasing the whole white chalkboard, the whiteboard all over again, you got to start over. But when you do that, it’s this revelation of opening the what’s possible. And I’ll give you a couple examples. One back to Alexander, he was talking to this other podcast about so near make Jesus his name was Yeshua, and Yeshua and he said the word in Aramaic for from us for what we call Messiah, or the Christ was missy. Missy. It’s an it’s almost like an automatic pa it’s this number I was out I was outside doing some work in the backyard and listen to sing ecosistema See, it was the issue of the must see what it is is in the word. The phonetics require the breath expulsion at the end. And that that breath expulsion is the real embodiment. So we think the way we speak English is totally different than the way that Aramaic, and a lot of other languages convey what they’re trying to say in terms of there wasn’t there wasn’t a very large in terms of phonetics, but in terms of how it interacted, it was conveying something. That breath right? In Genesis, right God breathes According to the legend breathes life into the dirt, right? There’s a breath whenever there’s when you’re first born, there’s a breath, the last breath you take, there’s something in this there’s something that’s alive. It’s symbolized by breath. And so that energy which is in all of us, right, this is where we start to derail because the word goes to become a cya. And is supposed to be this thing, which shows he was in charge. And he was this. In my experience, anything that starts to go towards power and privilege and authority as a justification for its existence is kind of the beginning of the telltale sign that it’s off of this. It’s off the divine, because now you’re just trying to control people now becomes Well, he’s the Messiah. So now we have to follow him. Everyone else is toast. This is the only way right and that just leads to division. But this but the way that Alexander was explaining that in in Christianity first started to expand that what they would do is they would go find when they would go to different cultures different In areas and spread, they would see the Christ and it wasn’t the person wasn’t really even the thing either. It was this spirit within, it’s this. It’s this breath within all of us, right? That, oh, you have this story, you have this ritual, you go through these things like we do. It was more communal, like we know your story. We know that story, versus here’s the right story. And we’re gonna, we’re gonna tell you to take the story you have now, you need to just erase all this stuff off the cave walls, get rid of all your traditions, know your culture, and just adopt this new way. That’s just divide that’s just conquering? Well, I

Brandon Handley 30:32
mean, I think I think you said it in the beginning, right? We can look back over history. Look at all the books of wisdom. Look at all I mean, not even just the books wisdom, we can look at Joseph Campbell’s, you know, the hero’s journey, and we can outline just about anybody anything anywhere with that same story with the same fundamental, whatever’s right. And it’s timeless, right? These stories, these ways of being these thought patterns, there’s all this stuff you’ve been saying like, hey, right now, we think this is the craziest it’s ever gonna be or we’re the most technologically advanced. So that must be guess what hasn’t gotten an implant is your brain. Right? Your brain hasn’t been upgraded? Just, you know, for sure. You know, probably in 2000 years, you haven’t evolved that much as a human being. Right. So I love you brought that up. You know, the other thing you brought up too, is just kind of like the idea of you were saying I think resistance but as you grow, right, but the word I might throw out there’s like resilience, you develop a resilience to as you grow, right? Is that kind of like what’s your look like?

Unknown Speaker 31:38
It’s one of the it’s one of the byproducts is certainly one of the things that this the second during tertiary aspects as you go through these kinds of things. You realize when you’ve been there before, like when the tree is getting bigger, it knows, hey, the storms come in. Last time, I didn’t know anything about it got through. Okay. All right. So it doesn’t mean it’s gonna be easier. It just means that I know, my ability to kind of hold, stay steadfast, maybe greater, because I know, I know this, I know this song, I’ve done another stance, so that you know it like, like a book or like memorization, it’s just you’re familiar with it. So that familiarity, if you allow for it to come in, but also don’t think that it means you know exactly what’s gonna happen next, is this more of what is the essence of resilience? It’s kind of come what may man if your lights go out or be okay, if it’s flooded, we’ll be okay. If it’s a drought, we’re gonna be okay. If it’s a boon if we get a win the lottery, right? I’ll be okay. Because that’s not always guaranteed to be okay. Whether it’s a clinical good or bad thing that you get, right? Well, I

Brandon Handley 32:35
think that’s the other thing you were talking about is this dualism aspect can explain dualism for somebody who’s not familiar with it. So

Unknown Speaker 32:41
dualism started. It’s a nervous, Italian kind of byproduct from the Greek philosophers of kind of breaking things all the way down to their base level, in that we started to look at things from a polarity standpoint, if for everything, there’s an opposite, right? That there’s this idea that plus minus Yes, no good, bad. And that there’s this, it’s a tendency we have in ourselves to kind of limit the perspective of what we’re looking at real in regards to a situation or something or how we measure it. And we can even see it when you see someone like technology around, you know, polarity, and stuff like that, in terms of electricity and things of that nature. And so there’s this, there’s this tendency, and there’s also this human tendency to kind of break things down that simply. And the problem is we forget, as we break down the human being into like, Oh, it’s just atoms or just protons, neutrons or protons and electrons, it’s kind of it’s, that’s an atomic level kind of idea of right what we learn in school, there’s plus and minus, and if there’s more or minus than Plus, it’s a negative charge. And if there’s a positive charge over here, they come together, because positive opposites attract, and we kind of hear all this stuff. So we start to kind of really differentiate everything we think we know, in terms of what it is and what it could even be, is having one or the other. Right? And so then it becomes this, I mean, even think about it, if you just everyone takes a step back, look at the things that they look at that they were college rivalries, there’s kind of one primary rivalry is always them versus us, or, you know, man and woman, or, you know, hate and love, just just emanates in everything that we do. And what’s coincidentally is that the other person had this massive impact on me as a lady by the name of Janet Williams and Janet Williams wrote, she introduced on this other podcast called Nomad apophatic theology, and it’s not even the right way to look at it. And what it tries to posit and there’s a really, it’s really hard to describe, because it doesn’t have a description, but it does is a little bit what you’re alluding to. It’s both good and bad. It’s both but it’s neither. But it’s so it’s, it’s like part of this is the idea of where you kind of go to with all this kind of introspect is around God. So God is all things that is in everything, but God has nothing God is both but God is neither. And then it’s the idea that even if it how we think we can even understand and conceive certain things like the universe or even the divine did it’s anyone that tells you they know God or what God is. It’s not I don’t mean this to be insulting, it’s just I think it’s it’s this part of the journey of it. It’s just going to be incomplete. And that even what we think it is, you have these experiences, I saw God or I felt God’s presence. And I like what I talked about, and that we hold in those things become idols. And that the real idea behind telling people not to stay on the idols is even if that experience is with, like, if you’re there, if you’re Moses and God parts of the Red Sea and saves everything, and no brings the Red Sea down on the Egyptians, that’s a pretty stellar experience. If it happens that way. You’re Moses, you’re thinking you can’t get any higher, it can’t get any better than this, right? This is the pinnacle of all that exists. There’s a there’s an element of that, that’s, that that becomes an idol. No, I

Brandon Handley 35:36
think i think i think that too. It’s like we open it up with right, you’re the vessel through which the universe God creation acts, right, with, when I start to say that this is me doing it, then then I start to I start to limit what is possible, right, I start to set up like all these blinders and everything else where whereas, you know, if I start to just say, hey, the The only reason any of this is happening is because of, you know, divine source flowing through me and, you know, helping guide me, right. So when you start to think that you’re at the pinnacle of anything in your life, I mean, again, you you’re starting to throw up a limit. This is just me, you know, kind of spitballing right, but you know, you start to, you start to put limitations on yourself.

Unknown Speaker 36:21
Yeah. And it’s, it’s something that that goes into one of the things, there’s eight fundamentals with these eight areas of what they call cognitive dissonance. And these eight biases, and one of them is called the errors of framing is this is this idea that you’ve that what you think you’ve known so far as to what frames everything? And what what creates the structure, it’s out there that you, that’s all there is, and there’s not a possibility for something more. And part of the reason that he studies it is around innovation. So in terms of terms of actual innovation, both technically on a personal level, or anywhere else biases will keep you from seeing what could what could be possible. So that’s one of those areas made me think of that is their idea of errors of framing, and part of it is like, does a fish know that it’s in water? Or if it does, is it you know, it’s good? It’s kinda one of these things, if you don’t know, what else is here, or you think that what is there is all there is, or you’ve been told, right? There’s nothing else out there for you, Brandon, you’ll never, you can never go past this city line, or you can never nothing that you can’t go past this area. And it becomes a self limiting belief, because that’s what you’ve been told. And it’s part of that frame, then it’s, if you don’t trust it, it’s not safe. You’re not you’re not risky, just for the sake of it. But don’t don’t limit, like I said, Don’t limit the ability. And it’s, you know, look, I can’t be an opera singer, I know that. You can’t, there has to be some reason this, this goes back into the balance of things around just from a pro beneficial effects to harmony. In those three questions. You know, if I sing, it’s not gonna be harmonious, literally. But if I can connect with people on a personal level, work with them and go through life with them, there’s, there’s a human harmony that you can create as well. Right.

Brandon Handley 37:49
Do me a favor, like, you know, so we’re talking all this a lot, a lot of theory here a lot of just kind of inner work a lot of ways that we have felt what is something that you know, would would be some practical application to give somebody who’s listening to some of what we’ve learned throughout this time?

Unknown Speaker 38:06
I think the part that always catalyzes me, or is a catalyst for me is to take take an argument, take a subject, take a perspective, that is that, you know, is is fundamentally different from yours, as you can imagine, and go listen, purposely fine not to counter what I said about dualism, but it’s more of the context around if I’m having a hard time, I just don’t understand what drives didn’t have to be something opposite or something you’re against. It could just be I don’t understand what drives what is the deal with, you know, well, hobby ism, and Islam. And what’s the deal there? Why would that was that was what goes on bin Laden was if I remember correctly, that was part of his sector, what is the deal with name, your favorite subject, your name or area or something that challenges you that causes you or you at least has the potential to stern you and maybe it’s anything you’ve said, I will never change my mind about that. I will, because I, I walked the earth and said, I would never walk into a church for any other reason than a funeral or a wedding. When I did, I’d want to leave just as fast as I got in there. And that was my way for a long time. But when you’re when I had to take a step back and go look at this differently, like is this something that turmoil and again, it’s going to create turmoil, but that’s where the greatest opportunity is for growth doesn’t mean you have to step all the way into it. But if you if you, if you just stay in the echo chamber, you just stay with the rhythm that you’re used to, if you just stay in that pattern, you know, and you’ll go out and branch out, especially if it’s something that’s different, or unique, or in that opposite, but just a different frequency than what you’re used to. Then you never say that’s why travel is so important. That’s why and I don’t just mean travel like Europe, or you know, some jungle in Asia. If you’ve never been to New Jersey, go to New Jersey, go to go to you know, Seattle, go to Chicago, go to Austin, Texas, you know, go to these places, big and small and just in feel no in if it’s uncomfortable, right if it’s and I get this way. I mean, I went with my wife this probably about a year ago. We went to there’s a pride parade, gay pride parade here and we have some friends of ours and we went to church with them. They wanted to do the big free dad hugs and free mom hugs things. And we went and did that. And you talk about being out of your comfort zone. I mean, you know, look, I’ve never had an issue with it. I was in the Navy. I don’t believe in any of that violence, or, you know, look, I don’t understand it, like not even for for a moment. I can’t relate. And I do think that’s more of a detriment. I’ll get to that in a second, if you want to talk about that. But I heard something in relation to that. Anyway, you talk about different man, you walk out, you go, and you walk up and down the streets of Houston, Texas, that are filled with people for Pride Parade, and you are, you know, you’ve never experienced that life or knowing about that world. It’s going to challenge you, and a lot of ways and I think that discovered we tend to run away from it, if you can hold and you can stay steadfast. And yes, it may be uncomfortable, and it doesn’t mean you’re gonna like it at end of the day. But it will change you, I think it will change you in my experience. Rarely is it changing you for for the worse, for lack of a better word.

Brandon Handley 40:53
That’s a great story. I love that, you know, you kind of put yourself out there into a situation where you were uncomfortable, but apparently you must have saw, like, you know, some beauty in it right? You must have saw some benefit. And you may not you don’t have to understand it in order to look, you don’t have to believe it for it to be true. Right. And you don’t have to understand it. To for to participate in it. So and I love that what you’re saying here is, rarely do you put yourself into something like that, and opportunity for growth and it comes out poorly. Right. Right. That’s awesome. So you know, where where were you, you know, we met and over here at come to the table podcasts, right? Is that something you’re still running? Or if you’re spinning into something new? Where can somebody get a little bit more? Sure, McCoy.

Unknown Speaker 41:47
So right now I said a couple different things. So the podcasts that come to the table, I hit my 100th conversation, there was a number that popped in my head back in February. And then I used part of the pandemic to kind of get there and kind of round it off, I had to take a real hard look internally and realize it was more my journey than it was really doing it for the listener if I was going to be quite honest, gotcha. It was a sobering thing that I was kind of railing against the, the structure of like, I have to do all these things in a structured way. This kind of free flowing stream of consciousness consciousness kind of thing, just I just saw it, it filled me with 100 stories of people, plus all the other ones, all the other stuff, it just, it was just a chorus of, of the mercy of life of Breath of just everything. So it’s in it continues to have a significant impact on my life. Today’s the fruit, if you will, continues to be born. This is a good example. But I also realized that I needed to it kind of run its course and there’s some other stuff that was coming. I got a friend of mine who’s gonna show real quick before we jump on to the next piece

Brandon Handley 42:45
talk about that, because that can be a real challenge. For some people, it sounds to me like you found a pivot point. Or you found a point where it’s just like, Alright, this, this is filled its role in my life, right? Because you got a lot of people that are like, Oh, you got a, you got to see it to the end. And or maybe I’ll tell you, I had a big I had a big problem with, um, when I stopped doing father for the rest of us, right? Because I had attached my identity to that, right. And I was like, oh, man, I’ve built this community. I’ve done this and what do I do? And you know, it was tough to break away from that. So talk a little bit about that right, first first occurs to start it up, and then the curse the stop it.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
Yeah, I think it’s definitely much harder to stop it. I mean, it’s, it’s when you dive in, you’re naive in a way, you’re not sure what’s going on. But when I think you’re realizing that it’s time to walk away, and it’s not. Yeah, you don’t like it necessarily. I mean, I didn’t really like it. And like you said, you put so much into it, you put heart and soul and you’re wanting things and just the amazing conversations of people that you’ve come across. If we just take the time, I didn’t have anybody famous in my pockets ever. But I would tell anybody 100 times out of 100 go listen to Brad spot bill this, there’s wisdom in his words back then even and I think the other part that makes podcasting so amazing, which may make it a little easier to walk away from sometimes they’re all still out there for people to discover. And people will and this is where I just trust a spirit and divine will bring people to the point where they can listen to something based on when it’s necessary when it can serve them and help them but also realize that I could do a better job of setting the table, if you will. And also he also needed a little bit of you got to get some time. Give yourself some time to decompress, and some time to process that kind of stuff. Yeah, it’s like drinking from a firehose you’re doing one episode a week, hours and hours and hours editing and, you know, it’s it’s like drinking from a firehose and sometimes you ventually got to turn it off for a little bit. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:32
absolutely. Absolutely. I know that a I forgotten how much effort it is to really be involved in it. Right. Dylan? This is taken a considerable amount of effort. I’m loving it, and I’m enjoying it, but uh, I did forget for a minute, just how much time can can be involved with it. Okay, so then you’re looking at this I mean, if I understand correctly, too, then you’re looking towards a new new space. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 44:53
So yeah, so one to two areas. One actually got hired professionally to host a podcast and oil and gas talking about The environmental, social and governance issues within the industry is I’m currently working on that I have a co host with me, it’s like a true show like there’s developed, it’s, it’s really, really coordinated, complete opposite of what the other one was. I mean, it’s very structured, has conversation, but it’s got three parts. It’s it’s like a chorus. I mean, it’s there’s a lot to put together. That is one of my guests is a political theologian, Steven Backhouse, who was instrumental in my kind of my deconstruction around nationalism, which is a whole nother part of the story. But he reached out to myself and another guy that we know to help him start this podcast called 10th theology. And it’s just about renewing the renewing the political imagination or renewing the imagination, just as somebody who’s a follower of the way, they’re not even a Christian, it’s this get to where you know, you’re your lead, or you’re following this way versus it, the big crux of it, just to kind of put it out there is also around the fundamental what we call fundamental evangelical Christians that are kind of dominating the conservative politics, the United States, it seems to be kind of almost like that. Everybody’s assumption is if you’re a Christian, I mean, I’m a white 46 year old Christian, technically from Texas, right. So I was like, Okay, well, then you must vote for you must have to vote for Donald Trump. You gay. I

Brandon Handley 46:08
mean, you gotta be Republican. Right? You

Unknown Speaker 46:10
can’t you hate gays, you Although run the whole gamut. And oh, my gosh, there’s a lot of people that are like waving the flags going, please don’t do that. Please don’t do that. Sure. Yeah. And so it’s challenging that narrative, as well as the internal narratives that we have. Because it’s not like, again, it’s not. This is where dualism comes into it. The answer isn’t for the Republican Party to go away. The answer isn’t for you, angelical Christians to go jump in a lake? The answer isn’t for liberals to die or liberals. It’s just not right. It’s not an answer. Right. Have you seen this historically? I mean, you find me a place where there’s where you eliminate all certain ethnicity, type, gender, religion, whatever. Show me where an elimination of that has led to prosperity? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:52
I don’t think elimination does it acceptance, does it? Well, man. Look, I always enjoy our conversation. I’m sure we could chat about quite a few other things. But you know, what would like one parting piece before you today to leave everybody with

Unknown Speaker 47:08
you? I know you like to ask them. When did you become first aware of yourself?

Brandon Handley 47:11
Yeah, that’s a good one. Sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:13
I was about six years old, I was going down the street called Murphy road in Missouri city, right outside of Houston, I can almost take you specifically toward that spot was and I remember, I just kept saying to myself as a very young person, who am I who am I, me, me, me. And I found myself kind of this understanding of your own consciousness, your understanding of your own self around what that means. And I do think there’s an is a very young person, absolutely ill equipped, and had no support structure to help me process that. And so I kind of put that voice to bed for a while. And it’s been a long time. kind of let it out a little bit. I think in the shower, that one day, it’s always there. But you’re kind of letting the world the voice win. And be domineering. And I think I would just encourage people to listen to that voice in their head that they’ve had in it those things that they think are cuckoo, or the things that they think are surely this is not something’s wrong, you know, I mean, if it if it starts to become part of an inner journey of awareness, yeah, it’s again, it’s scary, and it’s Rocky and it becomes really, really weird Twilight Zone music kind of stuff. But I think that’s, that’s the point. That’s one of the areas that we’re supposed to is that realization of self are and what it is, I think those that allows for us to embrace all these other things we hear about whether it’s giving of oneself or its community, or how do we sit at a table truly with somebody because we say all this stuff, like it’s easy, but when you’re actually sitting there with somebody and they’re looking at you going, No, Brandon, I can’t stand x kind of people because they’re all this or it you know, those that what about what about what about this? The biggest argument what what do you do about something breaks in your house? What about this? What about rapists? What about what about all the hundreds of the border that disappeared? You know, two years ago that somehow didn’t you’re only there for a little bit? Or? What if What if the democrats win the election? What are you gonna do about that? Right, because you’re just, you always have an argument to put that but that voice away, right, not listen to it, and then not embrace it. I would just encourage people to do so even if it’s crazy, even feels odd and weird, and it’s not gonna be like the movies. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 49:14
not gonna be like the movies. It’s not gonna be like the movies. Well, Sean, thank you so much for partnering with that one, too. And like you said, right, to become aware at such a young age and not have the system support for that. That’s look man that’s that’s that’s where I found myself at 40 right so becoming aware and maybe you know, to your point like maybe re becoming re aware I don’t know right? reborn right type of thing and, and recognizing it and instead of shoving it away like this is the moment now to accept that that is who you are, right framework or not, but this again, this podcast, you know, check out, come to the table podcast and look for places where what you’re actually Experiencing fits a framework. I actually, again, this is something I said last week on a podcast that I put out there. I wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s true for you or not. I wasn’t out there consuming all this information looking to have the experience. I had the experience and then I had to go look for the information so that I could understand it. Yes. So thank you so much, man. Appreciate you for being on today.

Unknown Speaker 50:23
Man. I appreciate what you’re doing. Keep it Keep up the good work and you keep it going, brother. Thanks for listening to the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 50:35
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Jeremy Snowden

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there podcast land thanks for tuning in. We are taking another hit a spiritual dope and today I’ve got Jeremy snowed and joining me He is a dad, a granddad friend and men’s mentor. He finds fulfillment being a resource a community connector. He runs a men’s growth and development group Hero’s Journey men’s online discussion circle, and host a biannual man’s three days meetup. He spends his free time discovering life hacks, physical movement and mindfulness practices. Jeremy, thanks for joining me today. What’s going on? What’s up?

Jeremy Snowden 0:38
What’s up? Thanks so much for the invitation, man. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:41
yeah, I don’t it was like, it was kind of like, it was a no brainer. You know, it was like, you know, we we’ve crossed paths, Facebook paths so many times, right. When I spun this up, I was like, you won’t point so just you’re kind of like a brother, brother from another mother right type of thing. Cuz, like, I think we’re the same people. Right. Right. And and and the more we have these conversations, the more we kind of find that that’s true. You and I were just talking before this about a mutual, you know, mentor that we found online. Eddie Bryant, right, who’s doing who’s doing some stuff. And you mentioned I just discovered on the week before, so I was like, this is just, yeah, it’s fun. It’s fun. And it’s funny. So before we even get started, man, so before we even get started, I feel like I feel like we’re kind of like, we’re conduits for the creative energies forces in the universe, right? Yeah. And we’re put together right now on this podcast, to speak to somebody. Right? And somebody needs to hear this, and it needs to come from you. What is it?

Unknown Speaker 1:51
Man?

Jeremy Snowden 1:52
Okay, so Wow, right on the spot, did you Okay, so

I think more than anything else

For me if I was if I was looking at the person that needs to hear this you are a human being not a human doing you know there’s more to you than you know that you’re at then you’re aware of

and just fully embody yourself No

I think that would be a good

Brandon Handley 2:24
I love it. I love it man right i mean you’re you’re you’re a human being not a human doing we get so caught up. Gosh, reactivity, right all the activity although RUN RUN, RUN doo doo doo I got to be productive man. If I’m not productive, they’re gonna kick me off the team.

Jeremy Snowden 2:42
Right? The pressure and the stress? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:45
yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I love it. I love it. You’re a human being.

Unknown Speaker 2:51
And I think the other thing is,

Brandon Handley 2:53
knowing yourself right? And when you get into this kind of the spiritual realm and And you’re you’re getting into all these different involve with all these different groups. Excuse me. And these conversations, the word self can take on a number of connotations, right? Come on, what do you got? So tell me what you know. So, I’ll give you an example of something that I saw this morning. And it actually had to do kind of like Maslow’s law, right? hierarchy of needs. And when you get to the top there, it’s self expression, self actualization. Ah, true. So, I mean, you know, if I asked you what that meant to you to basically that’s the pinnacle, self expression, Self Realization, what does that mean? Right?

Jeremy Snowden 3:42
Wow, that’s deep. For me, I guess it is finding experiences where I can be the observer, so that I can see myself clearly, you know, so depression in a wave of just that one the day that you just don’t want to get out of That it just feels like your blanket is concrete, you know? And you can’t explain it or anything. And so I have to, I call it father myself or, you know, work within my higher self, if you will. And almost to put my hand on my shoulder, if you will, and say, Hey, I know what you’re feeling. Yeah. It’s almost like it’s two separate people or, you know, like my tradition. It’s you know, you’re a tripartite three part being spirit soul body, you have a spirit, you know, or I’m sorry, you are spirit you live in, you know, you have a soul you live in a body, you know, and now it seems like it’s probably more complex and yet more simple. It’s just but at any point, it’s just seeing myself in those feelings, I can feel this I’m not those feelings. Right. But I you know, I can resonate with those feelings. Who’s the it does that that’s me. You know, you talk to yourself. A couple of days ago, I was like, let’s have pizza and I was like, Who’s let’s

Brandon Handley 5:06
good idea for us to go get these things together. And that’s great though I was just I was just listening to a book this morning actually. It’s called mastering your emotions and the exercises in there is is what you just talked about, right? One of those is very powerful exercise you you see you see this observer exercise actually happen a

Unknown Speaker 5:26
lot in NLP, right? I’m not

Brandon Handley 5:29
sure yet, right. So it’s the same thing you you, you You see, first of all, you’re already here right? But if you can remove yourself one or two or three times and see that situation just like you said, you know you’re in that better fathering yourself. I love that because you know, as a father, you know what that means by you. Put your hand on on your shoulder, and you’re going to walk yourself out there with comfort and care and say, Hey, Paul, we got this we got right. And we’re gonna go face this, whatever it is. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, love that the concrete blanket man that made me feel I felt it. I felt that corps right. Yeah, man. So, you know, my tradition is what what is your tradition? Because you said my in my tradition,

Jeremy Snowden 6:11
right? My historically if you will, first time I make the distinction between religion and spirituality, right. I’m not religious, I’m spiritual.

Brandon Handley 6:20
Yeah, show Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 6:21
Right. Yeah. But at the same time, it was, you know, growing up in up drew up in a Christian environment, if you will, okay. And everything was about hierarchies, structures and pecking orders. It just life in general. You know, like, who makes the most money who’s the cutest who’s the tallest, the smartest, prettiest? Sure. Um, you know, and just that, that linear thinking like that. And so, for me, breaking out of that, I don’t know if this is the proper time to talk about that or not, but basically just I was, you know, a very Launch Bible believer in you know, born again Christian you know for quite some time and while I do admire and respect a lot of my, a lot of my time there and of course my friends and my you know who become your, your family that you choose, you know? Sure it’s I can see it now and you know having the whole dark night of the soul or nights or months you know. Right So, but in that I can see the need for that as a part of part of my life. So that was my background. Sure.

Brandon Handley 7:31
Yeah. It’s funny you say that right? Like I’m I’m not religious, but I am spiritual and I think that a lot of people get that confused. I don’t have a religion. Yeah. But I am spiritual right because I think that you know, you have a religion you’re not you are not religious you have it right. Like, that’s your background and your your kind of upbringing and, and, and, you know, the path that you follow, and it’s funny that you bring up you know, we we have Eddie Bryan and In common a couple weeks ago like i said i was first I listened to him but you know there’s some he talks about Vedanta and Hinduism right and he talks about all the different paths of Hinduism and right in the end he does it sooner or later you just got to bet on one line later just got it you got it you got a bet on one Yeah. Oh it because otherwise you’re just always kind of popping around Yeah. And it It’s funny how I landed on the just pick one theory or idea and I got that through the science of getting rich Wallace D wattles. Right I’ve never read that book. I mean, it’s it’s my all time it’s in my top five man it’s such a great book. But it’s like just follow just read this one book and don’t read any don’t pay attention to anything else for like until you This is part of your soul,

Unknown Speaker 8:54
bro.

Brandon Handley 8:56
I’m so sorry to dive down in that right so okay. So you’re running the men’s group. Let’s give a little more background journey man like, I mean, let’s let’s do this first, I always like to talk about the front end of it, you know, what is it you’re doing? Tell us about? Tell us about your tell us about the men’s group, right? The hero’s journey, men’s online discussion circle, right? Like, how did that get started? And what’s going on?

Jeremy Snowden 9:21
Yeah, so almost two years, well,

longer than two years ago, I connected with some guys and some Facebook groups. And I was just blown away to see what the same questions over and over and over again. You know, my wife cheated on me, you know, or my wife left me or my girlfriend, you know, yada, yada. Or we can’t give a lot we can never, you know, come to a conclusion on anything or whatever. Right? And so I figured, you know, I’m throwing my opinion in this whole thing, just to see what happens to kind of see where I’m at with my peers. You know, where are we at? You guys don’t know me from Adam. I don’t know you from Adam. And you. It’s almost like my friend of mine, Andy. You might No to he and he’s just he just trolls your stuff because he thinks you’re cool. You know? We can’t is it silly?

Brandon Handley 10:07
Yeah, yes. No, he’s funny though. So he doesn’t get a choice. Great troll. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 10:12
And he’s like, and he’s sort of my, my spiritual project, you know, to get him to start walking along that

Brandon Handley 10:20
path. Don’t go to the dark side.

Jeremy Snowden 10:22
Right and he’s he’s doing everything he can to, you know, push, push it up, push me off it but Anyway, I digress. But he says, You know, I said something about, you know, just try not to read the comments right about now with everything heated up. You read people’s comments, and you’re just like, oh, but he retorted and said that it’s all about the comments. And really, that’s that’s that’s community right there. Yeah, you can actually trace your community within those comments. You know, CS Lewis said it this way, and I’ll get off my soapbox. He said, I mean,

Brandon Handley 10:55
this is immunity. That’s exactly what this is the soapbox, bro. That’s why we’re here. All right. All right.

Jeremy Snowden 11:02
community doesn’t happen until someone else says YouTube. Mm hmm. You know, and so I created an online community of people that like, we have the same kind of challenges, you know, a lot of them are still married or, or, you know, some art, you know, and the thing that we do is we use the book as an excuse a friend of mine, Stan, you can you might know him as well. Stan, Michael, he, he wants to talk to me about the law of the third’s, it’s very similar to this mode to Brandon is like, you know, I have this light ring. I don’t know if you have a light rain, but I kind of see that as my vortex. You know, I mean, like, it’s, it’s almost like, if we were to practice you know, like all of the different magical traditions, if you will, where you could look through water and see spirit on the other side. That’s what we’re

Brandon Handley 11:56
doing. You know, we’re ending the evil stepmother and Mirror mirror on the wall. fairest of them all right. I mean, come on somebody that stops everywhere, right? Like, here’s the thing, like, here’s the thing is what’s so great about like this space is like, once you realize you tripped over into it, you’re like, Oh, it’s everywhere. Everybody’s been trying to tell me my entire life.

Jeremy Snowden 12:16
Come on. Right? Right on your face, right?

Brandon Handley 12:20
Mm hmm. I mean, we’ll cliches and you know, stuff. Your parents told you that you said, Nah, shut up. Stop. You’re crazy. Don’t talk to my friends. Right? It’s everywhere. I was I was on the plane, coming back from Denver. And I was watching the Madeline L’Engle movie with Oprah in it. A stitch in time, A Wrinkle in Time, Wrinkle in Time, man. And it was everything you and I are about and I was like, I was taking notes like furious. I was like, oh, brah Oh, Oprah, not again, more Oprah right um, Mirror mirror on the wall. Right, just like yeah, that’s the vortex that’s looking looking, looking looking. piercing the veil, right?

Jeremy Snowden 13:06
Yes. I’m

Brandon Handley 13:09
with you. Yeah, tell me more. So Hero’s Journey hero’s journey. Tell us all Batman.

Jeremy Snowden 13:14
So it’s very similar, right? You could see these different themes in everybody’s lives. We’re all living the same life.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Suddenly, let’s talk about the things right, let’s talk about let’s talk about the hero’s journey. Because if you’re not familiar with it, who’s it come from?

Jeremy Snowden 13:31
Joseph Campbell, is a mythologist very wise man who did research to be able to see these common themes and all stories Star Wars, right? Um,

Brandon Handley 13:45
gosh, went nuts. Oh, so if is he recently like that went went went when was he? You know, I do know some history on him. But I you know, I’m not this is not a test. But I want I want I want people to hear from you. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 14:00
No, kind of monopoly,

Jeremy Snowden 14:02
probably circa and I can look it up too.

But probably circa 1950s around that time, I guess

Brandon Handley 14:09
so he predates he predates Star Wars and all that

Jeremy Snowden 14:13
stuff, right? For sure. For sure. And yeah, just pulling him up here just as a nerd

Brandon Handley 14:18
with rain. Sure, man. So, before,

Jeremy Snowden 14:21
right so yeah, he was born. Right so

1904 so in died 1987 So, yeah, he was an inspiration to Steve Lucas. Is that right? I’m not a big Star Wars fan but Lucas. Lucas right, George There it goes. I think he’s towards. I’m showing my own coolness right now to some of your audience. Yeah, but anyway, um, he just really, you know, well, it says he was influenced, for instance by Nisha Christian Judy Krishnamurti. Carl Jung. I mean, just Schopenhauer. I mean, like he basically canonized The concept of you know that the departure, the initiation of the hero, and the return, you know, and with each and there’s got subsections and all that you could read on it, of course online. But it’s just that we have the same story except I think in my mind’s eye, I’m thinking what you talked about Maslow’s hierarchy of needs kind of the same thing. You know, I’m saying there’s, there’s levels to this shit.

Brandon Handley 15:25
Right, right, right, though. Absolutely.

Jeremy Snowden 15:27
And unfortunately, we talked about it earlier, maybe some people this round just don’t want to get it.

Brandon Handley 15:32
Well, there’s a there’s a section in the story, right is some people reject the hero’s call, right? Because the beginning there, right? is is is okay. And and here’s, you know, if you want my take on it, which you’re not asking for, but I’ll give it to you. Ain’t on me. Right. So we’ve got the hero’s journey. Then there’s, there’s the call of the hero, right? That’s when you’re when you and I are in this journey, we felt something I mean, so overwhelming that if you didn’t do it, something inside you died. Yeah. Right if you don’t and that’s so that’s the that’s the hero’s call, right? The hero’s call is, is there’s something

Unknown Speaker 16:17
within me that if I don’t share it,

Brandon Handley 16:21
if I don’t help to give this away

Unknown Speaker 16:24
within my lifetime I may as well stop now. Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
So you feel that and then you have a couple opportunities to say Nah, fuck that I’m gonna go have a beer. Right? Right and so you can sub you can sub do that in a number of ways. And and I’m not sure if you ever watched the series on Netflix it’s called the umbrella factory. And and what I realized by watching the umbrella factory was there’s one girl on there I’m not not to give away the whole plot, but like she was subdued her entire life from her innate superpowers. By medication, right Though, you know, to what where I’m getting there is is like a religion, ad. You know, people who my grandmother was diagnosed as schizophrenic now, we didn’t have like we weren’t super close, but the question begs to be answered. What’s your medium? Yeah, right. Right. And and there wasn’t, there wasn’t the space in the place, then that we’ve got now available to allow for that. Yeah, to explore that, which is I love where we are now. So, to me, the hero’s call is just that right? There is something within you, right? And if you if you don’t answer that, you’ve got to suppress it. And that’s when you start to kind of each time because it’s going to be it’s going to come more than once. It’s gonna keep coming right there every, every moment in your life is kind of an opportunity for that hero’s call, right? Yeah. And if you don’t answer that You’re gonna wither away and die. Yeah. Yeah, that’s my take on it.

Jeremy Snowden 18:04
What do I think that’s wonderful man, that’s, that’s really good. I love this volley. Plain and simple is because that’s how I grow. You know, for the longest I looked around to people that were in suits on Sunday morning, and it’s like, you guys can’t bring the fire here What’s going on? You know, and I was like, there’s got to be more. And it’s not that they weren’t good people. It’s just that sometimes when we put constraints on our, our faith or our religion, whatever it is, right, it’s, it’s we kind of like it’s like, I used to lead worship, you know, so and I love worship music. But it was like, only part of the dance and when I when I when I stepped down from that, if you will, and began to sit down on my back porch, right, and, you know, dance in front of the moon. Nobody else is around. It’s just me and God. So everything outside of my body is dancing with me. It felt more authentic. Then, you know, playing and although I still play music I still love. I still love worship music but it seemed that I was, you know, we could we following a rigid tradition didn’t allow me or spirit for me to be able to just blossom it just kept me in this kind of in a confined space so sure, sure kind

Brandon Handley 19:21
of like kind of like I mean, if you think about a tangle of roots and in a confined space in a box, right, like I mean, there’s just

Unknown Speaker 19:29
nowhere to go.

Brandon Handley 19:30
Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it’s fair, but I’m just curious too, because all right, look, you’ve got this group you’re doing you’re and you’re and you’re walking them through, like the hero’s journey, right? So I stopped everybody here for a second at, you know, rejecting the call. So what happens when you answered a call is you know, take me there. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 19:48
Well, I mean, first off, and I know this different for everybody. I mean, number one is when i don’t know i don’t get probably the same thing. Granted, it’s like even the cashier will start telling me about it. Marriage, you know, I’m saying and it’s so it’s like you know, I gotta also safeguard my energy at the same time but it’s like working with guys that are like somes kind of like a little off and I need some just help. What they really need is just somebody to walk with them that second phase right, which is the initiation right percent, right. So it’s, it’s and it’s it’s Simba or I’m sorry. It’s symbols friends. Timonium, Puma. Yeah. Cool.

Brandon Handley 20:30
Right. So now saying that the other day I don’t even care. No.

Jeremy Snowden 20:34
Yeah. And then you have her freaky, right, the monkey that shows the bigger picture, if you will, right. And then the mentor Right, so the mystic, mystical mentor. There you go. And that’s where I mean again, that the hero’s journey arc works Yoda all stories, right. There you go. Right. Go. So walking with them is it for me at least it’s as much as just for saying I see you. Yeah, I see you. And he’s like, looking at you now. Right? You’ve done it.

Unknown Speaker 21:06
I’ll tell you

Brandon Handley 21:08
that, that that saves me. when when when, you know, when that happened to me, I was like something was a little off. And I had to reach out to, you know, three, three people, three different people. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 21:21
I don’t know what’s going on. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:24
I’m not losing my shit, but I’m not quite right. I just thought I’d let you guys know. Right? And at same time also reached out to a Buddhist Reverend friend, right? I said, Hey, here’s what I’m feeling. And he goes, you’re cool. I was like, working with them. Right. But to your point, this is a little over three years ago. The I had the exact same feeling of, hey, look, I want to be the greeter. Right? Kind of like a scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.

Unknown Speaker 21:58
Right. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:00
We’re gonna cross paths you’re gonna cross paths or paths are gonna interweave. You’re on the way to Emerald City. I’m sure I’ll walk along with you for a while.

Jeremy Snowden 22:08
We’re off to see the wizard. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 22:11
yeah, so exactly the same. Yeah. Tell me more.

Jeremy Snowden 22:14
Yeah. So a lot of the times, it’s, it’s a matter to, I mean, it’s just us watching them as kids, we had invisible friends. Right. And then we’re told, well, that’s stupid, you know, but I think that they serve whether they were real, you know, if you can, if you if you accept, you know, spirits or demons or whatever, if you go along that track are whether they are just an aspect or element of our own spirit or mind. You know, however you see it, they serve a purpose, you know, and one of those is to, to watch, like, you know, again, is my tradition. It’s like, there are such things, it’s watchers, right? Have you noticed a lot of paintings that people do when they’re shrooms are a plant medicine. There’s a lot of eyes around the eyes have it? Sure. So, you know, sometimes people just need you to be their spotter, you know, as they’re going through that stuff. You don’t need to have.

Brandon Handley 23:15
Yeah, you listen, you Listen, don’t trip by yourself on the first time, right? Like everybody knows that. I’m just saying, right? Like, it’s, it’s, it’s very similar though, right? Like, you know, you want to be in a safe place and especially when you’re in a vulnerable condition such as an awakening or such as like, you know, especially look men are just as vulnerable as anybody else. I I believe, more so because if they’re going through the, you know, the call to hero, right. And they don’t know where to turn. Most of us haven’t been prepared for this. Yes. Right or don’t recognize, right don’t recognize that they’ve been prepared for now because I’ll I would also say that due to the Your religion, you were able to put things into some kind of framework. You’re like, you know what, holy shit. there’s a there’s a story in the Bible that lines up to the scene that I’m going through right now, what was the outcome? And you could you can say in your mind, right, this was the outcome. What does that outcome really mean, though? Because that outcome no longer is, is this kind of this story, right? No, this is no longer like, you know, you know, the walls of Jericho, just falling down what, you know, what was that story? If I could put that into modern language, right, I circled it, you know, XYZ times. And, you know, is that a story of patience and perseverance of you know, and that’s what this really meant, right? And that’s what I’m experiencing. Sure. Is, did you have that? You know, is that how you kind of translated your, is that what made it easier for you or was it is it a journey that kind of like really set the tone for you?

Jeremy Snowden 24:56
Right, right. Well, it was, I guess, It was a mixture of both. So as you were sharing, I was like, dude, I’m I’m letting him go, because this is really this is solid meat here. This is about where I’m at. So it came to a point where and I won’t go into that on the just because for time sake, but, you know, I was going through my dark night of the soul if you will season right. And I just realized I need to zoom up a little further and not just assume that text, no offense to anybody else, any text. Okay, so across the board for me, if it does not resonate with my heart, I just can’t receive it. Right. Right. So if I can apply it because I think it’s wholesome, right? I mean, I All scripture is given for admiration and for admonition and examples for us and got out and I believe that they’re good. They’re good stories. Some of them don’t apply the way that I was told they applied. And so I have to, you know, observe them as the self Right, yeah. As it’s just like, you know, looking at your kids candy, I hate to, you know, make the word candy, you know, I’m saying but it’s like, you know, when you’re at Halloween, you’re just checking get your, you know, you get your fill of Reese’s Pieces that

Brandon Handley 26:14
you find those passwords don’t need all those candy.

Jeremy Snowden 26:18
But, you know, I had to I had to scrutinize each thoughts, you know, of any any text. So that’s why I’m listening to, you know, Edwin Bryant right now. And, you know, the yoga sutras of Patanjali. It’s because there are words there. They’re, what three 5000 years old. And he is explaining them and I even have to scrutinize him for myself for my own personal self right now. Not out loud, right? I’m

Brandon Handley 26:48
good.

Jeremy Snowden 26:49
All right, all the greats I don’t I just, I’ve come here on the same dispensation and it’s my responsibility to unpack it. You know, there’s a difference. I put it this way. There’s a difference. belief and faith, right?

And it’s like, yeah, was that media?

Yeah. So like faith is all scripture calls faith substance. Right? It’s a substance. Okay? Right. Whereas belief seems to me to be just an ideology, you know, and it’s like, sometimes we mistake I have in the past mistakes as interchangeable. But then when my ideology falls apart, that’s when your faith has to come alive. So that’s what happened. Okay, so when, when that happened, because of the dark night of the soul, right, I decided to investigate and search things to see if they’re actually what they really are for, for my own selves.

Brandon Handley 27:43
And describe, like dark night, a soul a little bit. So for somebody that, you know, that feels like they’ve been through it, or you know, or what does it mean to you because I think that that has a different meaning to people to

Unknown Speaker 27:55
write.

Jeremy Snowden 27:58
I think it’s part of this The Hero’s Journey story arc, if you will, in the dragons, the the bankruptcy, the divorce the, you know, the difference stimuluses that caused the response in you? Is it parallelisation? Like, I’ve been there, like, you know, where you’re just paralyzed, you don’t know what to do. It was Wednesday, like, a day ago, and now it’s, you know, Sunday morning or whatever, you know, you just kind of lose track of everything. It’s best. That’s my own personal experience. I don’t really cry a lot. It’s not.

Brandon Handley 28:31
I mean, is it like a depression point? Is it a focal point? Do you have to kind of hit?

Jeremy Snowden 28:38
Okay, so, very similar to what you said. It’s like, Is there a diagnosis for it? That is actually right. Or do we just what is what we call depression? Right? Yeah.

Is it? Is that

Unknown Speaker 28:54
the call? Sure you

Jeremy Snowden 28:57
believe so. You know, think it’s thick. Right, and they have to withdraw themselves and and heal themselves or not you know and so you know I kind of think that ladder it’s yeah I think you’re right my mom actually was kids phrenic and we her and I lived with her demons you know as her behavior is powerful

Brandon Handley 29:21
I mean how do you look at that now?

Jeremy Snowden 29:25
Yeah so i i i don’t know in terms of we’ve I guess my sisters and I’ve we’ve we’ve had that those conversations is a demon is a devils that are like literal doubles. Is it just the serotonin synaptic gaps and durose transmitters that blah blah, you know, misfire Listen, listen to I mean, there’s always there’s always a science psychology about it, right? Like I’m right. And that’s, that’s frustrating, right? Because you can science away just about anything you want. Right?

Brandon Handley 29:56
Let’s talk about it from let’s talk about it from just your You know, your own life experience perception, your own human words? Know what’s out. You know, if you’re looking at that right now, like I said about my grandmother does that, you know, all right, well, Was she a medium? Was there something was she in contact when you got plenty of people that say I talk to angels, you know, is there something trying to communicate through her and it was a matter of if she had had the right teacher or teaching. It could have been just tremendous power that could have brought good into the world.

Unknown Speaker 30:31
Sure.

Jeremy Snowden 30:33
Isn’t that crazy, too? And could it be I mean, and rest are soul. It could it be that she denied the call?

Brandon Handley 30:42
Don’t so that’s the thing, right? If you don’t, if you’re not,

Unknown Speaker 30:46
so, for me, a lot of this is already like my first language.

Brandon Handley 30:54
I was raised this way like my mother was I was born out in San Francisco. My mom was like, I mean I picked up the exact same eaching book. She got like, I’m stupid, retarded. Like, I mean, everything she ever said is like, I’m like, Oh my gosh, she was right. Right. and and, and and like, I mean, yeah, you know, I brought up Alan Watts with her and she’s like, Oh yeah, I remember seeing him in San Francisco, Alan. Know. And so, so when I experienced all this stuff, I kind of had a background in it right. I was like,

Jeremy Snowden 31:29
nice. It was almost like I’m

Brandon Handley 31:34
falling into like, down comforters. Wow, you were just like beautiful gowns. You know, like, wow, I was like, Man, this is a great place to be. Yeah. How can I explain to everybody else where I’m at, right like, I mean, and and do it in a way and that’s part about this podcast, right? How can you know a big part of it’s okay, great. It’s cool. You feel that way, but How can you apply that in? Yeah, practicality, right? And so, so you’re doing that in your group, right? you’re grabbing these men. And you’re saying, All right, we’re cool here. This is a safe space. Here’s what you’re going through, and you’re using the hero’s journey to walk them along the journey. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 32:19
So through the challenges of everyday life through divorce or whatever. And also like, like, in my case, for instance, which in the hero’s journey Ark, my dragon was hell. I mean, Holy moly, right. I mean, like, if I’m wrong, I can get a, you know, you know, don’t collect $200 go directly to hell, you know, find stamped and it’s your own. It’s your own damn fault, Jeremy, because I’m now seeking things or allowing things or understanding things that are contrary to my upbringing, if you will. So that was my that was that was that I was just so afraid. You know what What people are gonna think, you know, how people are gonna act toward me, now that I’m able to hold space for a wizard, if I wanted to, you know, I’m saying, you know, or somebody else, it’s all welcome here.

Brandon Handley 33:11
Sorry. I’m sure the reference behind that. I don’t even know, man, I’m just you know, let’s just like it’s just like, hey, like, you know, all are welcome. Nobody’s kind of kept out. Right. And so that’s kind of what you were you’re talking about. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 33:25
Right. But it was because I hit that firewall and push through it, you know, and what if I can give? Can I give a brief example, dude? Yeah, absolutely. Please do. So a couple of years ago, I did plant medicine over at a Native American church. Right. Okay. And I was like, for sure. This is the thing that sends you to hell

Brandon Handley 33:45
right here, for sure. Was that the first time you’ve ever done plant medicine? Yes. Yeah. Okay. What is plant medicine?

Jeremy Snowden 33:53
Well, I guess.

I think I guess that’s not exactly true, but From a vantage point of hallucinogenic as a medicinal

Brandon Handley 34:04
right for medicinal purposes well yeah as originally intended

Jeremy Snowden 34:09
one could argue that marijuana is plant medicine. Sure. Absolutely. Talking about that about and I westca no it’s the it’s the South American route that is extracted created into a tea you drink it shit yourself, etc etc.

Brandon Handley 34:24
There’s nowhere to go a little declare. Gives you as

Jeremy Snowden 34:29
many Doritos as

you want. You’re like, absolutely

Brandon Handley 34:35
good exchange.

Jeremy Snowden 34:36
So, you know, in my mind’s eye, I was like, I mean, I changed my will before I went in you know, I mean, it was I was thinking this I prepared with intentions, etc. about it. I meditated and prayed on it, and then I, you know, I went in, put your money down. That’s where it’s at, right everywhere. So I’m in of course, I won’t go into the experience right now, but The thing is, is that things that I seen made sense to me. Yeah. It makes sense to me in a way that maybe the things that I’ve read didn’t make sense to me. Sure. I didn’t change my religion, or if you will, so much as it it really helped me to open my spirit, if you will. Everybody should do it, because it was a trip and a half and it was a heavy deal,

Brandon Handley 35:24
you know, about no doubt. Well, but I mean, look, I it’s kind of like, um, it’s kind of like the the walls are already weakened. And that just, you know, that just

Unknown Speaker 35:37
positive in a damn

Jeremy Snowden 35:39
right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You know, it didn’t make me better. It didn’t make me a better father or husband or getting married or anything. It just changed you. Exactly. I mean, let’s just, even if you look at it from a purely scientific standpoint, you know, where it was the who’s hallucinogenic. It’s, you know, It was legal the way that I obtained it the whole nine yards. So I’m pretty certain that but it’s, you know, I’m just

Brandon Handley 36:06
waiting for the address at the end of the show.

Jeremy Snowden 36:14
Well, but the thing that if you just look at it from a scientific point of view, where it’s just a hallucinogenic that, you know, responded to your nervous system, creating a sense of euphoria and blah, blah, blah, colors, right, good shit. It was right. Nonetheless, it wasn’t really about the experience, right? Because it really is about the outcome. Really, right. Yeah. I, this experience is a great, everybody’s got it. Right. You know,

Brandon Handley 36:44
you take it, I mean, look at me, it’s, it’s, it’s, you know, everybody’s got experiences, right? It’s, it’s not that you don’t have the experiences How do you translate those experiences? And that’s, that’s really the outcome, like so it’s it’s every, you know, You know, my wife has never done any hardcore drugs, or drugs. I don’t think she’s ever smoked a weed or maybe she took a hit, but like, she never was like, hey, let’s sit around all afternoon and like smoke his bowl, like, Oh my God just filled the bottled water, right? Like she never hung out did all that, but like, um, you know, she’ll have some drinks and whatever. But so she’s had experiences that she’s had. And I’ve had, you know, plenty of experiences similar to one I just outlined and much rougher and tougher. And she looks at my life like, wow, you went through some shit. I’m like, it’s not. Everybody’s gone through some shit. It’s somebody translate that how do you? How do you take your stories, and empower yourself? Because what we’ve done though, historically, and I think this is part of what you’re teaching your men and working with your men is take these stories and your experiences, and empower yourself. And that’s kind of the pinnacle of the hero’s journey is that my writers? Tell me more. I’m talking way too much. Yes,

Jeremy Snowden 37:56
this is the collaborate. I think it’s great but the return That’s the final third of the hero’s journey the return when, you know King off, Arthur is able to pull the sword from the stone where Simba grabs the courage to be able to, you know, go and get his bride and defeat his uncle and circle and lie, you know. So. So it’s it’s again, it’s it’s, it’s the, it’s the return and for me, it’s like well, we started at the, you know the departure like with some some of my guys, we started the departure, and I don’t determine that for you. Like, I’m very careful not to try to dictate what I see God as for someone else. Yeah, you can’t. Right. Right, right. Yeah. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 38:42
So that’s what that’s what it is frustrating. Um, and that’s the product it’s frustrating but it’s also the problem because you Yeah, it’s uh, if you say you know, God, then you don’t know God type thing, right? Like because

Unknown Speaker 38:58
you can’t, you can’t

Brandon Handley 39:00
Put that into words. If you’ve gotten that kind of the first place that this kind of dawned on me experiences can’t be translated they must be experienced was a de five rings book. If you’ve ever read that, right? Have you ever read that? That Samurai? Oh, yeah. And I was just beginning Jiu Jitsu at the same time, but like he would be talking about like, you know, kind of these different sword moves and swords, spots and spaces. And he can tell you how to do the moves, you can watch how to do the moves, but it’s not until not only do you go try to do the moves, when you nail the move, and you get it right, then you know, you’ve just executed it correctly, right? You’re like, wow, you know, because it’ll be just a muscle here or muscle here and change and adjustment angle here or there. That makes it all work, right. So minor, minor adjustments, but when you nail it, you’ve experienced it. And that’s all you can tell somebody like you’ll know when you get it. Right, you’ll know when you write like algebra and fractions.

Jeremy Snowden 40:05
Yeah. Oh, and you’re like, bingo. Yeah, I got you best nine years of my life.

Brandon Handley 40:16
So, so you’re running this group, you’ve been running this group for a while now. Right? And and you’re, you’re ramping up. You want to expand my right or wrong. For sure. Yeah. Let’s talk about that. Tell me what’s up. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 40:31
So because of my experience of divorce seven years, and just when I was able to kind of release that yoke of what my reality was, or when I created as far as my story, and then realize I used to be, I used to be a husband and a father, then it’d become, you know, an ex husband. I changed roles right. And then the kids stopped calling me because they were certainly going off to high you know, High School in college. So they respect Less than less. And it’s like so now I’m not even a dad. And so it you know, although I was technically Of course, you know, when they needed something specially, but and and it’s just part of their journey they’re they’re doing what they need to do as well. But it really caused me to be up to to look inside to make it happen. And so that’s sort of what I’m approaching other guys that are just having those questions right now. You know so

Brandon Handley 41:26
the question is, what is what are some of the trigger questions you hear and you’re like, you’re like, you’re like I know it. I know you need me. Right, I can help you. What are those questions?

Jeremy Snowden 41:35
Well, the key the key word that I listened for should back in my Bible days, Hey, have you been reading your Bible? Not as much as I should? Sure. Yeah. Are you exercising not as much as I should? It’s like, why don’t you design a life for yourself when you fully embody yourself? And so you know, whenever I hear those kind of things like should how things are supposed to To be or ought to, if they’re open if people are open to it, and again, it’s a matter of audience, right? I don’t know who, who needs me. I’m, I’m just opening myself to do. I’m doing a 21 day kind of a challenge. It’s really not about the 21 days. It’s not about doing activities, although it is it’s just about someone watching you through your journey as you’re developing. So those dark days where you don’t want to get up and you get a text from me that says, you’re making your bed right and you’re doing your five push ups. Put a thumbs up when that’s done, holler to you later. Peace, right? It’ll put a smile on your face. It’ll make you it’ll make you do it even though you don’t want to do it. It’s valid. Right? It’s just it’s it’s billion dollar that they already have. Sure.

Brandon Handley 42:44
Yeah. That hasn’t been on hasn’t been hasn’t been bolstered. Right. It hasn’t been supported. It hasn’t been encouraged,

Jeremy Snowden 42:52
right? Um

Brandon Handley 42:55
I would you know, I would stop were we talking about it. I’m Sure you

Unknown Speaker 43:00
flow, the book flow, you bought a book

Brandon Handley 43:03
is it in his book where he talks about and I think it is in his book where he talks about like, you know, some of the older cultures like in China and Oriental cultures, they cultivated the sense of being, right. They cultivated, they were cultivated people. And we get the sense of and you know, when we say, oh, that person’s cultivated, we this we think aristocratic, we think money, wealth, and all these other things, but know, what he’s talking about is they’ve cultivated that inner sense of being right. They’ve cultivated that, you know, stoicism and applied it and it’s internalized, right. That’s, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s what they’ve done. And that’s what we haven’t done. Right. So that in a Western culture, right, you know, and, and, and I’ll throw this other one at you too, because I keep kicking it around. You know, adulting is hard, but you know what, the full word is adulterated. We’ve been adulterated and changed, right? There’s this change and transition. So adulting being adulterated. When we go through this metamorphosis. It’s a it is a challenge. And if you don’t have people like yourself, myself, I’m there to catch you as you come in or greet you, right? I mean, the officer into the church is there to greet you to welcome you like that. Right? It’s You’re welcome here, come into this place where you’re welcome. And and and be prepared to hear some stories that if you’re, they’re no longer pearls before swine, right, that they’re no longer pearls before swine, like, these are all the stories that are now before you that after you cross this threshold of understanding, you get now you’re like, Ah, yeah, because you can’t you I think we’re talking a little bit about this earlier. It’s like you can’t go to people who haven’t already had the experience. Tell them about the experience, and have them ready to accept it because It sounds unreal.

Unknown Speaker 45:02
That’s right. Right. But the beauty is

Brandon Handley 45:08
we’ve got, you know, Vedanta Hinduism, all the stories from you know, the the writing to your pata shots. But I mean even, you know, the the cuneiform Egypt lives this, these are not and this is this is what you’re talking about though these are not new feelings. These are not new questions. These questions have all been answered before. Yeah. But they’ve been answered by generations before us who had other experiences to reference around them. Right. And we’ve got to do that now. We’ve got to retranslate those stories into a language that somebody else can understand.

Jeremy Snowden 45:46
And more or less one that resonates with our just tacking on for me, it’s like, yeah, yeah, right. It’s not something that I’m parroting anymore and not that you’re living it.

Brandon Handley 45:56
You’re living, you’re living it, you’ve embodied it. It is now internalized and when you express yourself, self expression, your inner self. Right? That’s what’s coming out. It’s like the Wayne Dyer thing, right? You know, if you put nothing if you’re an orange, essentially right, the only thing it’s going to come out of you is orange juice because all you’ve been putting in you is pouring right? I mean for you, all you’ve been putting into yourself is like this love, right? I’ve been putting into yourself Is this just the story and your understanding and you’ve been working on yourself? You’ve been cultivating yourself so that you can

Unknown Speaker 46:31
share so that you can get Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 46:34
You know, I find that a lot of guys and again, I work in more in the manned space than I you know, I’ve got of course you know, lots of Lady for fret friends that are women but I pretty much in the man’s face in terms of self development. Um, and maybe that’s just more I’m just that’s how I’m wired. You know, I there’s a lot of common, there’s more commonality, so for sure, but you find that a lot of guys have been motivated and burdened by shame. Okay, it’s, it was the, it was the tool that drew the you know that trival drove him to school, it was the tool that kept him in line. It’s the and then all of a sudden, you know, and that’s where I’m thinking, Man, if people are feeling sensing that on the regular, something’s not right, your, your, your, your heart is as a as a and this is just my experience, if your heart is just pushes that way, it’s like it feels it and it pushes it away. And so sometimes people use excessive alcohol or drugs or whatever, you know, to, or eating or whatever to be able to mask that. But that’s just, that’s just the symptoms, you’re just cutting leaves off the, you know, the, the weed or whatever, you know, but it’s going to continue to grow. It’s just going to be there until you find a way to be able to not even address it, but address yourself. It’s okay. You know, it’s alright, man, everybody makes mistake, I really do it in my there. And just going through that process of not, you know, that self talk process to bring really an impact besides the story, the stories and outside thing, which some of it was true, some of it happened, a lot of it didn’t. And you replayed it, you know, 90,000 times every day over the last 20 years or whatever. So I think that’s why people need to have other people it’s not just by my coaching, you know, video, you know, whatever’s and you will be a millionaire too. It’s, hey, so was it hard brushing your teeth this morning, man. You know, you look tired, like doing a video. You know, like how when you do video with people.

Brandon Handley 48:49
So, you know when I chatted with a doctor who was helping men Go through depression, right? She was actually working on, you know, men who are suicidal, right? Trying to get them help, right because her brother had had done this himself. And so she made that kind of her life’s work

Unknown Speaker 49:15
column

Unknown Speaker 49:22
for three, to one more back.

Brandon Handley 49:27
What are some, like, you know, applications of kind of what we’re talking about there, right? Because it sounds to me a little bit like, you know, using the observer as a tool, right? That’s what it was right? So she would she would say, hey, with men, right? They want to try it first. They want to try to do it on their own first and so she would offer them a toolbox. Do you offer your guys like a toolbox? Beautiful.

Jeremy Snowden 49:49
I think that the the book study in itself is that toolbox like resource, and it’s really not me. It’s the other guys I mean, we get on a zoom call. We talked about You know, like, right now we’re doing Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Right? Great ground, the great book, right? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. And we’re just going through it and what we’re doing, we’re talking the language to each other. So I use that as a toolbox. I mean, plain simple is people guys always say it’s so hard to be able to be a part of a men’s group. Well, the men’s group is, you know, your bowling league, if it’s the right guys, you know, or, you know, the people that you you know, whatever, you know, hike with or cycle with, that can be a part of your men’s group. So it doesn’t have to be an officially sanctioned thing. So that’s my that would be my tool, my toolbox and you know, then I work on work with people one on one, you know, we do the, the hero’s journey men’s circle, just that’s, that’s what I do. That’s what I do for my life, not for a living. So I’m charging for I probably never will. It’s just a way to be able to have these conversations because if you think about it, in Spanish, everybody’s taking Spanish, one Spanish To write, and none of us can even order from the taco truck. You know, I’m saying, why is that? Well, because we didn’t get a chance to practice it. Right? So when you’re reading a book, a really good book, and then you’re talking to somebody about it, like what you and I just did, you know, in the hero’s journey, you broke it down. I was like, amen. Amen. I was like, Wow, dude. So, you know, and then she’s talking about it. What does it do? It solidifies my ideas. It helps you to contrast them against yours. Sure, not for the not for the cause of debate. You’re a stranger you’re hearing you know, Australia or whatever. I know you’re not but you know, I’m saying

Brandon Handley 51:35
but actually, I heard there’s a lot of spiders there the other day and we don’t want to be in Australia. So

Unknown Speaker 51:40
Crikey there goes that cranky.

Brandon Handley 51:42
But I was like, they all said it with kangaroos and platypus and koalas.

Unknown Speaker 51:47
100%

Brandon Handley 51:50
The it’s also funny too. Are you able to do me a favor man. Take your camera and swirl it around and rattle off some of the books that

Unknown Speaker 52:01
Like well now, right? Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:05
Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. The Millionaire Next Door right I know that you got that. First things first time traps Elements of Style as far as writing I think you and I think

Brandon Handley 52:16
that’s where we like that’s where we that’s where we hit off right like we really don’t know. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:23
One minute to do list Heidegger Martin Heidegger, you know, basic writings pemuteran john, which is great, right? I never saw you’re not so smart. It’s more just a analytical book. You got some Seth Godin represent, right? Yeah, check this

Unknown Speaker 52:38
out says one way book man. For sure. Right.

Jeremy Snowden 52:42
Right. So of course Four Agreements represent right. The Alchemist over there while the heart by

john Eldridge.

Hmm. You know, so, uh, I hate to say I’m well read, but I’m just not.

Unknown Speaker 52:57
So. I think

Brandon Handley 52:58
I think the other thing you hit on there too. is, you know, it’s not just reading these books, discussing them and applying them. So otherwise it’s a it’s what they call shelf esteem. Whoo. Right. Right. You know, what good is it doing it? Yeah. Great. You read all the books. What out of that particular book did you love right? Or you know, if you want to, you know, we’ll talk about I talked about high fidelity and the crown a lot, you know, not the chronological order but how you got from how I got from like, you know, blondie, you know, Tomic in 1981 to shatter herbs and Rolling Stones like got into like a you know, man who’s right out to that like a talking heads you know, it’s always the same, it’s the same right like I could tell you a chronological order how I made these brownies and and and the songs and how they made me move. right and and and and what I took out at that time, what was my heart feeling? Same thing with the book. So right like, What? What inside of that book made? What was the? What about that book made you move? What about that book made you change? What changes did you make? Because you’ve read that?

Unknown Speaker 54:18
Yeah. Right. So, um

Brandon Handley 54:23
what are some like great applications that you would give some people from any one of those books include

Unknown Speaker 54:32
include include call heroes, you know, hero’s journey. Wow.

Jeremy Snowden 54:37
Um, well, again, I think that the the hero’s journey is a template for your entire life and it can happen so quickly right in different areas and aspects of your life. So it’s not just a one time winner takes all you know, it’s it’s you got to go through this story again, it’s just a different story. Like, like my kids, they went vegan, right. And I was thinking in my mind Amway is next.

Unknown Speaker 55:05
This only leads to one place.

Jeremy Snowden 55:08
Now, you know, no, not necessarily, but it’s just that we all go through face to face. Yeah. All right. Have you been born again yet? You know, are you

Unknown Speaker 55:16
sure? We go through the? Yep, yep. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 55:20
So, um, I think that probably love, of course, the Four Agreements primarily for its, if you will, the, the number, the preface, but the beginning where he talks about how society created things about us, like your name, it’s not your name. It’s what you’re called, you know, it’s not you, you know, or your language was chosen for you because of where you were born. You know, those kind of, so when you when you when you understand that part, then you understand Wait a second, then, I mean, things get really weird. You’re like, what do I do with my hands, you know, kind of thing. It’s, and so I really like that seven hands. Habits of Highly Effective People. Oh my gosh, in terms of, you know, if you’re dealing with anger, for instance, you know, then, I mean, understanding Victor Frankel’s stuff, Jewish, Austrian psych psychiatrist and lecture now he’s on a table exercising his last Enduring Freedom, you know, the power to choose his response. He couldn’t control the stimulus what was happening to him at the time,

Unknown Speaker 56:24
right.

Jeremy Snowden 56:26
And, you know, his response you could control because of the space in between, which is his power to choose.

Brandon Handley 56:33
Yeah, that’s based in between is is it that’s, that’s something that me once you recognize that space in between, so there’s so much power and absolute there’s so much power in that. And you know, not for nothin like I was always like, felt like, you know, the fastest way to answer had to be like the smartest one right now. You’re the fastest One answer, but the more I think about it, like, the person who goes away and comes back with an answer, like the next day and really thought about it, that’s the person I admire, you know the person with a question. Okay, well, yeah, I’ll talk to you tomorrow.

Jeremy Snowden 57:16
Yeah. Nice.

Brandon Handley 57:18
Right and and then and then we usually within that time, you kind of figure out some answers for yourself. And to me anyways, whenever you ask a question, you’re like, Look, not for nothing. You’ve got it. You’ve got a pre loaded answer already. You know what I mean? You’re like, even in even for yourself, right? Like, you know, the whole idea of what you seek is seeking you, right? It’s just like, you’re just, you know, you’re sending out to the university. Like, this is what I’m looking for. It’ll the universe is like, Alright, well, here it is. You’re like, Ah, yeah. where, you know, you know, you know not I don’t know where you you, you only had eyes for that.

Jeremy Snowden 57:54
Right? Right. How about this, just throw a little bit of spice in Coggins did that. How many of us are self sabotaging at the 10th and goal all day,

Brandon Handley 58:07
every day?

Jeremy Snowden 58:08
Because we, I mean, we can see it through the membrane. And we’re afraid what that means.

Brandon Handley 58:14
There’s a really good book on that. Let me see if I’ve got it here. Notice there is I can do anything. I do anything, only if I knew what it was how to discover how to discover what you really want and how to get it. And this is, the concept is about scanners. Right? And scanners are like, you know, I forget what it is, but like, you know, some of us we’ve got this story, that we’re not going to go do this thing, because we feel like why can’t go do this because if I did that, I’d leave my family behind. Right or or like, you know, something would happen, my family, they would get upset with me and so we tell ourselves, all these stories They’re just that write stories. And so we stop ourselves at the 10 yard line. Because internally, we’ve got, like some story that we told ourselves that we heard, you know, 30 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 59:11
That’s so digged. In it’s it’s entrenched. Yeah. Right.

Brandon Handley 59:16
And and whether or not we like to admit it, we know that that’s still in there, right? We’re like, we’re like, now I got rid of that. Like, yo, bro, you don’t get rid of words. Right? They keep coming. They keep coming back. And that’s just like those stories that we keep telling ourselves and then we say, yeah, we think we got it fixed. And we am still there.

Jeremy Snowden 59:35
Right? Yeah. Incredible. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 59:38
Yeah, I mean,

Jeremy Snowden 59:39
that’s a that’s sorry. That’s like, a choice, right?

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, that’s a space right. That’s a space in between, right. That’s a space that’s a that’s the that’s the opportunity to recognize the story that you’ve told yourself over and over and over and over again, and and that’s your opportunity to say Not today.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01
Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:00:03
I talked way too much on this one, Jeremy, thanks for letting me talk. I mean, I can see why, you know, you’re you’re the guy that that, you know, thanks for this is how you hold space. I appreciate it. You know where, you know, you’ve got this coming up, where can people go join this group with you?

Jeremy Snowden 1:00:18
Absolutely. Thanks. And first off, I wanted to say, you know, I mean, like, you’re rocking it to, like, as far as like living your ultimate path. I can, I really can see from my side of the screen. Here’s somebody that’s going after it, you know, I’m saying you still have obligations, you still have things you have to do. And so this is extra right

Brandon Handley 1:00:40
side, hustle, whatever. It’s not. here’s, here’s, here’s the thing, and I appreciate that, right. It’s not the side hustle. This is I mean, you’ll listen to a lot of other people. If you make this the thing you have to do. There’s resistance in that and there’s worrying there’s concern and so you will think back, right you hold things back that are true. Do you because you’re concerned what other people may think. Right? And so if you just do it, because it’s true to you without expectation, I mean, we talk about Buddhism, right? And we talk about suffering is due to desires but suffering to me is due to our expectations suffering, his desires, our expectations, not being realized the way that we thought that they were going to come out right. So if we do this with the intention, if I do this with the intention that this has to work, all pressures on this all pressures on me that I lose my freedom with that, yeah, beautiful my freedom with that, so but I do appreciate the truth of the matter is this is true to me. 100% right now, getting to lead with spirituality instead of hiding behind your father for the rest of us was awesome. You know, doing that five group was great. They brought me To exactly where I am today it was necessary. I did you know I did prosperity practice and and dabbled in LA. But that also brought me here to ultimately spirituality. I’m like, you know what, I’m just gonna I’m just gonna leave with spirituality. Like we talked in the in this is like, that’s who I feel like I need to be I need to be the greeter I need to be the person that greets like you just like you right? Like, just like it is 100% you know, so we’re walking the same we’re walking a similar path, right? And and we’re just there to help people out man and the whole deal with this podcast is we’re out there doing it successfully and living our path and having a more fulfilled life through this version of ourselves.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:48
And there are plenty of people doing it. And my total intent is to show you that you can do it too.

Brandon Handley 1:02:58
I love that right. There’s some There’s something else. There’s something in Jeremy’s story that you’re going to hear today that resonates with you that says, I gotta, I gotta follow my path. I gotta, I gotta I gotta open up my own heart. I feel like I feel like I could you know, benefit from hanging out with Jeremy and learning about, um, you know, the hero’s journey, I’ve never heard about it. So go ahead, spend some time there. Understand it’s like to give people space and follow your path, man.

Jeremy Snowden 1:03:25
Absolutely. So we have a

Facebook group, of course, hero’s journey, which immense discussion discussion circle, which means you know, you’re in, you’re in if you want in your in piping, just we follow a DBA D Don’t be a, you know, whatever. Don’t Don’t just don’t troll in there just for the sake of trolling. Yeah, but it’s a great place to be able to connect, you know, it’s a safe spot. Some people what I’ve noticed, too, is there more. They’re more reserved, you know, they they they want to watch for While and that’s fine. And but it’s a great place to connect. And of course, you can message me, of course, Jeremy Snowden, feel free to add me if you’re a guy that’s into growth mindset, if you’re trying to find your way or if you just need some pointers or some feedback, always willing to schedule a call with you.

Brandon Handley 1:04:17
Yeah, I think that’s awesome that you’re holding that space for these people. And, you know, you’re accepting them and you’re helping them. You’re helping them find themselves man. And that’s super important. So thank you for joining. So that’s Jeremy Sloane on Facebook. And I know you’re on Instagram to where should they find you on Instagram?

Jeremy Snowden 1:04:39
Instagram is bald headed Movado. It’s a project that’s a tongue in cheek, I’m biracial. And so I kind of take potshots at you know, the the notion that you know, what are you supposed to be then? So it’s more of a tongue in cheek thanks, but I enjoy it. I love I love I’d love to connect there to all thank

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59
you Thank you so much for joining us today. Cool. Thanks, brother.

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Join me as I catch up with my coaching friend Steven Mills.

Steven & I spent quite a bit of time together a couple of years back as I was beginning to coach and he was a coaches coach…

After catching up with him, I felt I could detect a bit of a Heroes Journey… a spiritual tale as it were within him and invited him to share on this podcast.

I am a loving father to my daughter Evanna; I was born in
Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland and live in Glasgow, Scotland today.Ok a
little bit about me then, at the young age of 16 I joined the British
Army in 1998 and served for six years with two operational tours of
Iraq and Kosovo. I left in 2004 to begin my transition back into civilian
life.
This transition was challenging for me, and in the years that followed, I
resorted to alcoholism and anti-depressants, Living from a place of stress and Anxiety, Failed relationships, jumping from job to job, never really settling down or finding peace. I suppressed a lot of childhood trauma that would bite me in the bum later in life that stemmed from emotional neglect, physical and verbal abuse.
This was one of the main reasons I joined the forces to run away from this,
this wasn’t the answer as I found out the hard way later in life. The transition was a real rollercoaster ride for me, without the support I was used to in the army, life had its challenges, with uncertainty and no purpose to where my life was heading.
I got lost in a trail of destruction which impacted my health, finances,
relationships with friends and family and I had no hope and a feeling of
emptiness and hurt. Eight years of going round in circles, frustration, feeling useless, no peace and continuously busy, destroying a lot of relationships, emotional and spiritual health issues, and much more I decided to enough was enough, it was time for a change.
Through this process, I have gained so many transformational insights into
destructive patterns of not only my behaviors, habits, attitudes, and beliefs
but of others around me too. This has been an ongoing journey.
Moving beyond this season of life influenced me to evaluate my future, and take this vision for my life today, to facilitate and coach as many people who
were in my position as I am physically possible to overcome the common fears, blockages, limitations in order to heal and have a transformation in your life as I have, if I can do it, so can you.

Brandon Handley 0:02
4321 Hey there. This is Brandon Handley. I am on with Steven Mills, who’s a coach and mentor, men’s life coach, trauma recovery coach, online trainer, who’s currently just recently founded. Core coaching business Academy is also the founder of social enterprise core connections, coaching and training. He’s a experienced men’s coach. And he’s got over seven years experience in the coaching a personal development industry. He’s a loving father. He’s from Scotland, I don’t even know how to pronounce where you’re from. So I didn’t even try except for Glasgow, which, you know, that’s where you are right now. joined the military at the young age of 16. And you serve for six years there, two operational tours of Iraq and Kosovo. And this is when you left in 2004 To begin a transaction, transit efficient back into civilian life, and you were kind of that was kind of a challenge, from what I understand he resorted to alcoholism and depressants, living in a place of stress and anxiety. Not really being able to settle down and kind of seems like that stemmed from emotional, black, physical and verbal abuse. And and, you know, throughout all this, you know, you started to find your own path, right, you start to find your own path and you hooked on to coaching and others you’ve over the years, you know, I know you’re passionate about coaching, that’s how you and I met you, you helped build the coaching community, you’ve been a mentor and a trainer to that and more recently, as you and I reconnected, you told me that you know, you’ve gone through and I hope this is okay to share, because I know I didn’t ask, but you know, you’ve had some more therapy over the past year. Seems like you may have had some kind of struggles in, in getting past this kind of like invisible barrier threshold, right that you felt like something was holding you back. And you spent some time work more time work on yourself. And a Pac Man, it seems with a fierceness as it were, as I like to say, right. So, you know, welcome. Thanks, Steven, for coming on today. And thanks for reaching out to me just to say, Hey, I’m sure you probably didn’t have a podcast in mind when you said hey, Brandon, what’s going on? But after hearing your story, I felt like it was something that fit with what we’re doing here. Well, what I love to do is I love to start these off with like, you know, one or two things right? What is something that I can help you celebrate today? Or you know, what is is like spiritual dope, right? Like is the name of the podcast so what’s like, your most recent spiritual high if you could qualify?

Steven Mills 3:00
And then probably place off NRP. So what’s took about our journey, it took a lot of years to find that went around in circles and, you know, kept living and old patterns and dealing with childhood trauma, which was overpowered, and on me it’s like a dark cloud over my head. And there was a lot of toxic shame in there that I used to live by. And I call them sub hub and a lot of self pity parties. So from going through that journey of healing from trauma, over a 12 month period, and really get into the trenches and do and be able to look the past and a deeper level than I have ever done before. And I was able to find that place off and a piece. So I guess that in our piece, you know, call it spirituality, call it whatever faith in that place at peace. I think we all want to find that in life. We all want to find that inner peace Inner Peace Center brings so much Joy brings so much, you know, you feel that sense of you’re okay, you’re settled yet there’s no you don’t have to worry about the future. You don’t have to think about the back of the past too much, but actually just loving more and know if you like and I know that’s probably a cliche to say loving on the note but actually, it’s achievable. And it takes a lot of work by took me a lot of work to get there. But knowing the work of dead you know, I would always encourage anyone out there that’s maybe going through things from the past as to really engage with that and be able to look at because you have a choice right or look at or we look away, we can look away and I for years, I looked away I denied I suppressed I didn’t really address it properly. And then it came out like a volcano feel like it was like a volcano effect that just blew up. And just like fireworks go all over the place with Emma was my favorite Whole body. So finding that inner peace has been a big revelation for me. And it’s allowed me to slow down. And everything I do know, because I believe slowing down as the best slowing down solves most problems. If we’re able to find a place and a peace and slow down in life, we’re able to see things from a different perspective. And we become more patient and much more welcomed set of choices. And that’s been a big revelation for me a big breakthrough moment. I feel like a big aha moment. It’s really changed my my life and many ways. And this allowed me just to follow my intuition, follow my gut and follow what’s what I’m truly passionate about and, and find my purpose if that’s what you want to call it. Your mission in life, your vision, all these things. So yeah.

Brandon Handley 5:53
man you got you got a lot in there, right. One of the things a few of the things that that you’ve gotten, there is The acceptance of you know what I think a lot of people call the shadow self, right? Or the darkness in themselves, or whatever you want to call it. But you know, by facing that pain instead of and welcoming it and seeing what it had to teach you, in your life sounds like one of the things that you’ve done there. And it also sounds like you know, the whole being the now thing. While it may sound cliche, it’s very much so when the student is ready, the master will appear right? And that’s when all of a sudden, it sounds like you’re finding all these cliches have some place in reality, and you’re like, man, I really did I just did I just say being the now did I just say find inner peace and everything will be okay. Yeah, I did. And the other part in there too is when you find here, those you Hear that chirping in the background? I’ve got chickens in my bathroom. Who knew that?

Unknown Speaker 7:09
little chicks in there? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:11
I always make fun of myself to those five chicks in my bathroom, but not what you’re thinking. Um, and then, and then when, you know, you find that inner peace and this is a line that I heard from Bob Proctor finally, finally made some sense. It was like, I don’t need to slow down.

Unknown Speaker 7:30
I need to calm down.

Brandon Handley 7:32
Right? I don’t need to be excited because when something’s excited that that’s an indicator of your molech Moloch. You know, molecular level, bouncing around too fast. This excited. There’s lots of energy there, but it’s not focused energy. Right. And it’s not calm and to your point, thoughtful energy, you know when you can pause in that intercom if you’re not worried or thinking about yesterday and if you’re not concerned, worried about tomorrow, you can focus on today and what’s right

Unknown Speaker 8:04
in front of you.

Brandon Handley 8:08
In a sense of calm, right, like you said, Take a breath, think about what’s right in this situation, think about what you should do right here and now versus this kind of react. And like I said, this excited motion, this excited motion says what? Oh, that’s there. We got to go do this. This is what I know to do. We’re gonna hop right to it.

Unknown Speaker 8:29
Right, that’s not it.

Brandon Handley 8:31
And that’s what you found. So I love it, man. That’s, that’s something to celebrate, for sure. And I think that that’s also where we’ve, I’m sure heard it all throughout time while you’re growing up, you know, you’re the sum of all the choices that you make. Right? And, and you see now the power of choice. The power of choice is in that call moment that you’re talking about. Got that all kind of sum it up all right for you my caption.

Steven Mills 9:04
Choice is quite a big thing. I mean, we all have, we all have choice choices every day. And certainly we make and how we live our lives and what we do as a career, what we do in relationships, we all have a choice to respond in a way that’s, you know, whatever way you want to respond and respond from a place of fear or we can respond from a place of love. We can respond from a place of, you know, calmness, whereas more well considered, or we can respond emotionally and a reaction. And it’s just, you know, having that knowing that we’ve got that free will to choose how we live is very important. And it’s only through my experience of healing, that I found a place to choose more effectively. The biggest thing I learned through healing from trauma was you to feel as real before you suppress all the feelings of denial, but if you can set with these feelings as hard as they may be It’s, it’s the best way to heal as I lower it just to be and to release because emotions, emotions need to move. They’re not they’re not they’re just temporary they have to move. You know, if you think of emotions come from a Latin word emotive, you know, as moving as a movement, emotions need to move. And a lot of us struggle with dealing with the hard emotions, the the tension, the shoulders, the butterflies, the stomach, the anxiety that may come through pain. And there’s one of the biggest things I had to learn it was just stuff set, still allow it to come and go, allow it just to be and release it through different ways like breathing. I used to write about a lot. So I journal I write a lot about my domain recovery. I would write a lot of it and release it through writing, how I was feeling because a lot of us don’t really engage with our definite emotions, a lot of us tend to only know a few, a handful of emotions, but actually, if you look at not the definitely, I have all the different emotions, that is, it’s probably 50 4050 emotions, that we can all go through another and it’s been aware of all them. And it’s allowing them to come into your life and leave your life and we’re, you know, we can react emotionally or we could just set with them. And his biggest thing out loud was just, I like the phrase to feel as real, to feel as real and life to just set with the feelings, no matter how hard to make beat do that. And that took a lot of practice for me. It took a lot of practice. And as I was going through my healing journey, because when you start delving into this, the dark shadow as you may call it, Brandon and we start looking into, you know, what’s really going on deep down and and maybe some past, you know, trauma that really has hard it can be definitely To face up to them and that’s where trauma can drive that addictions it can drive you know, relationship behaviors, it can, you know, just behaviors that maybe not, you know, healthy in a relationship it can drive all sorts of different behavior or patterns. And and unless we’re in a weird on, we’re never able to address them fully and actually be mindful of how we have been for our last domain for some of their patterns or habits and we have come from because these patterns and habits and sometimes creep up on us and be unhealthy but it could come from past traumas and and this is why I’m really passionate about trauma awareness and helping people with trauma and relationships because, you know, economically be that partner that’s where someone with trauma doesn’t see what the you know, the where these behaviors are coming from. They just actually react to the behavior and start Should I that’s not good. I’m you. You’ve just been angry to me for Reason, but the anger could be coming from past arch. You know, the anger comes from past hearts really, I mean, behind anger, there’s always pain.

Brandon Handley 13:10
So I believe 100% 100%. So again, you know, a lot a lot in there. Right. And I think that to hit it off with what you’ve discovered is something that I would assert is that Western civilization, you know, European civilization has been taught very poorly about their emotions, which is something that sounds like you found, right? You said you knew of like, maybe four or five, and it’s like, all right, well, you’ve come across another 30 or 50. Right, and you’re journaling and you’re dealing with them and you’re sitting with them and you’re learning about your emotions. What are something you know, what are some other tools that you know, how did you how did you learn? You know, what would you tell me if I wanted to learn What these other 25 to 45 emotions are that I may not be aware about right. And then what are some other tools? You talked about journaling, right? As one of your big ones, what are some other tools that I can use to identify and deal with my emotions? And again, learn what some of these other ones are? Because I know anger. I mean, right? Like, How old’s your daughter? Six, six. So you’ve probably watched it the Disney one right? Inside Out, have you watched it? All right. So I mean, those are like those, like the five emotions we know. We know like, anger, joy, happy, you know, sadness. And then like, you know, the the the other guy, right? So yeah, walk us through a little bit of that, right? We’re learning

Steven Mills 14:46
about having the art of, I call it the art of curiosity. So it’s been it’s always it’s always been curious of what’s going on. Not you know, not just mentally but physically. How is the emotions of affect us physically as well as mentally? Because a lot of us focus on that just a reaction more than I’m gonna interrupt just one sec.

Brandon Handley 15:08
I’m going to as what would you because I see I see a pathway going down right now how about what if I asked you this question What about how are you teaching your daughter to identify emotions and deal with them when she said she went, which when she grows up she’s able to to do what your it took you 30 some odd years to do. Right? How would you teach her to

Steven Mills 15:31
teach her the moment as I am? Get off to draw how she’s feeling? I get to draw and expressions of how do you feel a foreigner? How do you feel right now? Can you draw me an emoji? Or can you draw me a sample emojis and can be okay, can you also draw me a picture of how you’re feeling right now? And also teacher to it’s okay to cry. It’s okay to let your emotions out and the best wishes Sometimes it’s okay to cry. Daddy sometimes cries. And it’s okay. I mean, a lot of us don’t like to admit, we cry, especially men, we don’t like to admit that we have, we would like to see it be seen that we’ve got all together. But actually, if we allow it just the floor, sometimes the best release of emotions is through trial through 11. The tears to flow aluminum f meet hard not to change suppress them, but just allow them to flow. It’s like a rubber bashes canal here, right? I fit in a river, the lava flows, right. Yeah. So So

Brandon Handley 16:32
yeah, a big part of it, though, is again going back to kind of like that Western civilization part is that, you know, we’ve been taught to control our emotions. Right. And as especially as men control your emotions, you know, don’t let your emotions run you. Yeah, which is true, right, which is where we get to this point in kind of your stories set with your emotions, understand your emotions. make a conscious choice off of your emotions, don’t react. Tear emotions, which is very hard to deliver to a young child because again we hear Don’t let your emotions control you which translates to a child is an adult so your emotion so it sounds to me like you’re you’re you’re you’re helping her to identify them. You’re helping her to allow her to express them. You know, tears is one way art is another right How can you translate, translate those emotions, identify them and share them. Awesome. I love that. Yeah, a little bit more. Go ahead. Sorry.

Unknown Speaker 17:35
Yeah, interrupt.

Steven Mills 17:36
No, no, it’s cool as cool as you know, emotions are right and society we’re not taught how to express them. We you know, and a lot of time has grown men don’t try comes to me and I you know, man up and get yourself together. We you know, all these phases talk to young men and you know, don’t you can’t we you know, you can’t be seen to cry because that’s, you’d actually be shown a weakness but See it. The opposite is that’s the strength as a strength to show your weaknesses. It’s a strength to show your vulnerability at times. And it’s a sense of speech was meant to be a vulnerable, and sometimes to show that we have pain and allow the tears to flow, because it’s much more powerful and showing the vulnerabilities. Now, teaching children that as I feel is really important for white parents. I’ll say stop crying, don’t cry, just get on with it. Come on, yeah, you’ll be fine. You, but sometimes it’s about being patient. And, you know, 11 the children just to, to kick off and allow them to be angry. Because if you try and stop lying God, you’re gonna, you’re gonna just flare even more. Whereas if you just allow it to, I, you know, and it’s about, I see that you’re angry. I see that you’re frustrated, and that’s okay. Because in life, sometimes we get frustrated and we get angry and I’m not going to hold against you. Allow it to just release it, allow it to come out. Because of you, there’s another statement I grew up with, and that was, children should, you know, shouldn’t be heard, should be seen but not heard. And something’s allowing children to be held by allowing them to release that anger, or at least start excitement, release of tears. And it’s about just helping them become aware of that. as we as we go. because more people, more children become aware of their emotions, the better they’re going to be equipped going in the adulthood. When disappointments come when things come that show up in life that causes on pain. After then aware of what’s called going on, then there’s no better place to respond, and then to deal with it. And this helps with self care. And it helps with managing expectations as the drawn toddlerhood so for me, not at score, export and just explore your emotions be widdle Take a look at you know, the stuff that works as I’ve said, there’s frustration, there’s anger, I’m happy and fulfilled. I, you know, I’m agitated. I, there’s definitely words and there’s different ways we can describe how our emotions put the quotes gone and our physical body what’s going on with their emotions mentally, what’s going on, Anders, the more we can slow. This is our lambda the last 18 months and it’s the more we can just be patient and show yourself that bat grace and self compassion, compassion as an important ingredients when it comes to and keeping up you know, being being okay with ourselves and being okay with our own skin. And part of my healing journey was shown that compassion because as I see a lot of machine, and when shames around us like a dark cloud over here, but if you start being compassionate to the max, and that’s the antidote for shame and compassion, as something again, we’re not really shown too much when we’re growing up. We’re not sure how to be that sure sure that self compassion, you know, love yourself became to yourself that self kindness because a lot of think all of us Eagle, no it’s not about Eagle it’s about more about forget about the eagle. It’s about fetal kidney on skin being your ability to love yourself and show yourself that kindness and forgiveness even when you make a mistake. But some kids grew up trying to be perfect because their kids the parents have these expectations on them. That’s just jackal with expectations check with the mom to be perfect it’s about allowing them to show that it’s okay to make mistakes. So kill them and show that self coke self compassion is something that I know I love to help out with when I’m coaching and when I’m helping them find that place to show themselves that back crease and just come on. Tricia flat little bit several passionate because the more we can learn that Assaf compassion, because as an art, and it’s something we need to practice, because we’re a lot of people are showing this growing up to short self compassion. So it’s almost like unlearning what was learned as grown up?

Brandon Handley 22:14
And you know, that’s 100% 100%

Steven Mills 22:17
the

Unknown Speaker 22:19
year it looked

Brandon Handley 22:19
at the idea of that self compassion. The idea of learning that again for yourself, like you just said there at the end to having to unlearn everything that you you learned while you’re growing up is something that you know, Alan Watts talks to quite a bit not sure if you ever listen to him, just kind of a beatnik type, you know, back in the day talking about different comparative religions, right. But he talks about it in the sense of like salted meat, right, you know, you salt it to cure it, but like before you can eat it, you have to put it in the water and desalinate it, right. You have to, you have to, you have to make it so that it can be Music but uh, you know, that’s what I think of, you know, when you say that line, right? Just because that was kind of the first time I’d ever really understood or heard it. You also talk about, like, you know, look, the grace, right? To me, that’s a super powerful word. Because again, we talked before we got started here, the kind of the gist of this is, you know, kind of the, you know, the spirituality, inner sense of self right. And when you look up the word grace, that’s the, I think called, like, divine power. Right? And, and really, divinity is again, talks about the inside of you what’s inside of you, right? That’s divine, who you are, is divine. And when you accept like divine, when you accept grace, who you’re accepting of power that, you know, it’s just like, allows you to be in that place that you’ve been talking about that, that gets part of what gives you that

Steven Mills 23:59
sense of calm.

Brandon Handley 24:00
The sense of inner peace that’s grace when you when you discover that for yourself that’s man you can you can’t I mean, I haven’t tried but you could walk on water, that kind of thing, right i mean that’s the kind of thing we’re talking about. And and it really seems to me like you found it right seems to me like you found this space and you’re really leaning into it.

Unknown Speaker 24:22
And, and you’re using it

Brandon Handley 24:25
to fuel your life and your success and your career right now with your next coaching place, right and I’ve got it right here in front of me too, is like, you aim to help people discover their peace, so they can find their passion and purpose so they can fulfill their life goals and dreams. Right now, I would go so far as to say what you’re trying to do. You know, this is and this is again, my perspective kind of coming from the coaching space as well is you’re trying to Find people how to become aware of their own emotions, how they can find that grace within themselves. So they can, you know, accept themselves as who they are. And you talk about, you know, teaching kids how to accept themselves at an early age, as you and I are doing as fathers. I know that my son, and I think that, you know, they look at numbers like he’ll come home and he’ll say, I only got five wrong. I’m like, Well, how many did you get? Right? Tell me how many you got? Right, right. Let’s celebrate your wins, man. It’s okay to celebrate. You know, you got 15 right? That’s awesome, dude. It’s awesome. I always break down like, I’ll break down a baseball batting average form, right? I’m not sure how big you are and American baseball over there. But if you if your batting average is 25%

Unknown Speaker 25:46
you’re actually not bad.

Brandon Handley 25:48
That’s pretty good. You get to 35% journalist, a hero, okay. And so it’s really it’s not about those numbers. It’s about how you feel about what you’ve done. Did you bring it? Did you bring your best game? Did you did you prepare yourself for for this particular situation? And I’ll even loop in jujitsu with him too because he’s in Jiu Jitsu and I’ll say, all right, well, you know, you learn more from your losses than you do from your wins because you know, your wins this mean that like you, you may train a little bit more than the other guy. But if you lose, you can see where your deficiencies are, you can see what you need to work on. Right But, but come out of there being strong, like you’re saying, show yourself compassion, and learn, learn about all of that, that you can. And I think that sounds to me, too, like you’re teaching your daughter to these things, right? You’re teaching them as you’re learning them to do Am I getting? Am I getting this all right for you? Or am I missing anything?

Steven Mills 26:51
Yeah, yeah, that’s it. I mean, Greece as powerful graces really, you know, when you’ve got grace that takes away any guilt Grace is the antidote to guilt here. If you say

Brandon Handley 27:03
that’s right, you said the antidote, the antidote, the antidote, hey, I will not interrupt the antidote to shame, right was compassion, right? I love that line man, the antidote. I love that line. So I mean, that’s gonna be, that’s gonna be a tweet, you just wait for that one.

Steven Mills 27:18
Cool, that’s fine. You’re getting a ticket ticket that said this was before. And, and grace is added to it to go. Because when you’ve got grace, there’s no room for guilt, when you’re able to just show yourself that that forgiveness for grace. Grace for me means that you’re forgiven towards yourself, and Jana placed off, not being hard on yourself. You have been better on your shelf and grace just once famously, is a great ingredients that works well with compassion. And then if you’ve got grace and compassion, then it’s only going to bring patience. You’re able to show much more patience with others, you’re able to show much, much more grace with a lot of because you’ve given it to yourself. And when you’re in that place of patience, and you’ve noticed fixations, then you have not attached to the outcomes, all the results in your life tell you not to their results, and when you’re not attached to the outcomes and results, and not bring space. Again, spiritual. No,

Brandon Handley 28:14
absolutely. I mean, I mean, that’s, that’s the whole gist of it, right? Like, it’s and you know, that talks to Buddhism, right? To me it talks to Buddhism. See, it’s the, the attachment to the desired outcomes. Right? That’s right, that brings suffering, right, because you get to the point of, well, it’s got to turn out this way. And if it doesn’t turn out this way, I’m gonna be pissed and what was me life’s Right. Yeah. What you’re saying though, is let go of those outcomes. Have some faith in it? Yeah, absolutely. 100%. Man, there’s a little bit of there’s a little bit of there’s a little bit of spirituality in that. Let’s talk about, let’s talk about, you know, this past. It says you said about 18 months about therapy. I want to talk a little bit a bit about The difference between especially you being a coach a little bit of difference between what therapy is and and what coaching is right and and and, you know, kind of when to use both.

Steven Mills 29:16
So therapy for me, I was definitely journey altogether and I learned a lot along the process and for me, it was a longer process than I would normally find coaching. So for me therapy as delving a lot into, you know, a lot of that deeper work. So, you know, not seeing the course and capable deep part but for therapy depends on what kind of therapy you go down. There’s different tapes and different modalities, but for me therapy is about really jumping into the trench and delving into some of the past traumas that maybe affect who we are today. And and if you’re not aware of this, it could really check out Cochin another hand a lot of it as progress. It’s about setting goals and moving forward in your life coaching, you may not even get past this much. But if you can find a hybrid of coaching and therapy together, then you’re finding the sweet spot. So a lot of the work I’m doing with trauma recovery coaching, as a hybrid between coaching and therapy. So as as given, it’s been therapeutic, and it’s so low in space and given silence and less than, but at the same time asking the right questions that allows the individual to explore. So for me therapy was, it was an eye opener I learned so much about myself, I said, I learned so much about my behaviors, about habits and patterns turned up in my life today. And I learned more about toxic shame hoshin was overshadowing everything I’ve done in my life and allow around our wars for others. And how are we keep everyone that that’s obviously good at keeping people at arm’s length And not allowing them and to affect my emotions are not alone. They’re meant to. So I was very, I struggled to show up and vulnerable at times. And it was me learning how to be vulnerable and actually be completely honest, on a heart level, rather than my head level, just trying to tell people where they want to hear or so I showed up more vulnerable than I’ve ever done in my life. No therapy. At that age, the route I went was CRM, which is like compare comprehensive resource model. And it’s about it’s almost like there’s about Shimano humanism and now, and it’s about it’s about shamanism and not therapy. It’s very much similar. And there’s also a hypnosis so it’s about a hybrid between CRM a new model, now not like people will know about it was developed by an American woman, and Lisa Swann. And she, she developed this model, comprehensive resource model, and it’s very especially specialist especially in trauma. It’s a very very effective and modality for clearing trauma and it is quite safe it’s a safe way of doing it and it’s it’s more prolonged it’s more of a preparation and get into that place where you’re mindful and you know allowing yourself to go back into some of the memories not really experienced none but remembering them. So you’re unable to distill at least them so you know, living these memories to come off maybe abuse or these memories of you know, past things that happened and what that were that stuff actually to deal is just given that space, silly some and I’ve done a lot of work in that. It was fair therapy every week for 14 months and tall and saw caution. If you look at coaching, how is that different? coaching you might not be sometimes not, not not you may not go quality coaching for that length of time. You may only be coaching for some time. Six weeks or 12 weeks or three months or six months, but euro, and there’s nothing to have, like a hybrid between coaching and therapy, and actually bring both together. So what I’ve done know, is what I’m doing from an acoustic portion as well as my men’s coaching. I bring a therapeutic approach and based on where my journey, I’ve learned from the caution aspect of also having the counseling and the therapeutic. So when I put it all together a pitchman good stead to help us deal with some of the past hearts that may be affecting them. And it’s so this is where I look to help people find peace because, you know, we can help people find a set of goals for their dreams going forward. But sometimes you need to have that that deeper and to really deal with the deep rooted stuff. So you’re talking about limiting beliefs, but you’re also talking about the trauma.

Unknown Speaker 33:53
Well, yeah, like, you know,

Brandon Handley 33:55
I think for you, right, you found In therapy, you went deeper. You found some things that were holding you back and I say I’d like to think of it as a plane right? Like, you don’t think I’m thinking of like you know the actually thinking of like, God what is it just to say where those movies where they got too much like I’m thinking of like the cocaine transporters right like that they’re always trying to smuggle but you know that it got to drop you got they got to drop off that stuff so they can make it over certain ridges right like and it sounds to me like you had some pain that was dragging you down. You had to address it. You had to identify you said is this still serving me? Does this serve me? Should they stay on the plane? Or should this be jettisoned?

Steven Mills 34:43
Yeah, and this is what I would use the three years and this is where we need to, first of all, acknowledge that we’ve got that pain there. Acknowledge. Then we look at accepted and coming fame Going to a place of acceptance that is going on. And then we address so acknowledge, accept and address, as we are looking at when it comes to trauma when it comes to any pain from your past, as we need to be look really explored on the seas and it’s also about awareness, there’s a 44th in the awareness and for not acknowledged and unaware of that, how it’s playing out in our lives, that we’re not going to be willing to accept an address. And that’s what therapy did for me, it helped me do all these 40 years. And it also gave me a bit of give me more tools to, to throw in when it came to court, Jen, and it helps me my job when I’m coaching is to help people slow down and find a place of peace spot, because that’s the don’t do that fast, then they’re going to struggle to follow that intuition. When it comes to the passion and purpose. They’re going to struggle to tell themselves to listen to what’s going on and say rather than and so my job As to get them from the head to their heart as soon as we can. Because when we get them to the heart is more authentic, the be the shop, maybe more more fundable. And it’s true that that’s when the magic happens is when when, when we get when we get more honest and authentic from a place of that heart and allows more flow. So this is my, my role when I’m coaching and also brings like, like, I see a hybrid with with therapy at the same time.

Brandon Handley 36:30
I love it. I love I love the four A’s to write, acknowledge, accept, address and bring that awareness without being able to acknowledge except or and or dress and identify, right, give these things kind of a label. You can’t be aware of them. You can’t. You can’t make a choice on something that you’re unaware of. Mm hmm. So I love that. I love that I love I love the head to heart right now. Bringing them from The head to the heart. And, you know, to me, there’s definitely a huge connection there. And, and I chased that one down to a few years ago, myself. And there’s a booze lie. It’s just, it’s called the heart, the heart mind, right, connecting the two. And once you meet, once you make that connection to the two of them, and maybe you’re feeling from your heart, and then your mind is able to as you kind of go back to right, what am I feeling in my heart right now? That’s the acknowledgement, right? And then you have the opportunity to accept it, of whether or not that’s true for you, in your mind, right after you’ve acknowledged it, and then you can address whether or not that’s true for you. Right, is that my follow on kind of like, how I how I would use this?

Steven Mills 37:53
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, pretty much you getting down at your heart levels and as For me key and this is where you find your true answers in your life not in your mind, not what you you know you think people should be and the best way to get from head to heart is asking really powerful questions and allowing them giving them that space

Brandon Handley 38:17
have an example of a powerful question Stephen most

Steven Mills 38:21
powerful question would be

what’s what’s your biggest blockage? what’s what’s holding you back right now? Honestly, forget about external refer no forget about what’s going on around you forget what’s new mate. What’s really holding you back?

Unknown Speaker 38:39
Well, what’s, what’s the blockers? Damn, like, I would answer that too. I’d be like I was like, Yeah, man that you know, for me.

Brandon Handley 38:49
It’s it’s what I’m doing right now. Right and it’s fear. There’s like tremendous fear and going ahead and and continuing to step into what I’m doing right now. Spiritual dope, right leading with spirituality. I mean, who does that? Right? Plenty of people do but it’s the first time I’ve ever done it. So I’m terrified because I’ve never done this before. Is this the right thing for me to do? I don’t know. So I’m blocking myself with a number of things invisible blockages, because I’ve looked all around and I see that society says, Well, you don’t talk about religion and you shouldn’t do this. And most people don’t do it like that. And that’s not the way it’s been done in the past. And so man, for me, some of my biggest blockages are what we talked about earlier. These are all the things that I’ve learned. And I need to unlearn them, right. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 39:41
Now I need to face them and walk into

Steven Mills 39:44
a set and another good question is what you seek what you seek in within. What are you seeking right now? The what’s missing as something that you’re seeking on a heart level.

Brandon Handley 39:56
Great one brother. That is a that’s a great one. I’m not gonna lie, because so what I’ll do in the mornings, is, I have a, you know, mini practice as it were, right, a reflection period. And I go and I write these questions, I search out questions just like you’re saying, What’s missing? What am I seeking? And I don’t you know, I would use the word God the universe, right, that connection to it. Right? And, and that’s exactly what it is. I’m doing right now, with this conversation you and I are having I’m, I’m looking to kind of validate what I already know to be true. Mm hmm. Right. And and where can i Where else can I find this in life?

And that’s exactly you know, so I believe. I’ve already established a connection with God divine divinity within right. I’ve kind of harnessed with it, come together with it, but every day. I feel like I’m still questioning that right. I’m still looking. looking looking for that. I’m still looking and that’s the spirit dope right there, brother.

Steven Mills 41:02
Yeah, that’s uh that’s that’s certain. It’s a nice powerful questions. That’s the more the more quality of questions, the better the more quality answers we’ll get. And the more the more willing we are to search and like, go back to our on our curiosity and feel just curious in life. And when it comes to others, just asking questions, the best coaches, the best therapists are the ones that asked good questions and sharp after they ask the question, and just alone space lesson. Yeah. And then you pick it up on what’s really going on. And you’ve given the most powerful thing here as allowing someone space to get everything out to release everything. It’s maybe in the main so we can get down to that space. Most nuggets and coaching are found when once they’ve replied, You don’t answer straight away. You give me back so silence is actually silence is golden, right? And silence in space that helps people explore much more when it comes to emotions explore much more what’s on the heart, and it’s about our curiosity. Another question I love to ask is, what do you need to do that you don’t want to do?

Brandon Handley 42:15
Now you asked me that one a couple of years back, man, that sucked.

Unknown Speaker 42:19
I was like, Man,

Brandon Handley 42:20
you always know what you need to do. And it’s just like you just do it, you know? Because that’s um that shows your level of commitment to what it is you say you want to do to me, right? What you know, so if you know what it is that you need to do, because inherently you do right and you’re not doing it, are you indeed committed to what it is that you say you want to do?

Steven Mills 42:51
So, again, it comes back to the choice love versus fear. are you choosing love in your life or are you choosing fear yellow in the future? To overcome you already moving beyond and choosing love, because when you’re choosing love, you’re much more you’re following your true heart. You’re trying to find your passion, you’ve got a love for others around you, your family and people. And love versus fear comes in every choice we make, I believe in when it comes to career when it comes to, you know, responsibilities in life, not just a family but our friendships. Love versus fear as the choice that we all have to make. Love comes from our heart fear comes from what’s going on our mains, or what’s what we are going to block our shelves.

Brandon Handley 43:36
So for me, the question ends up being you know, is that part of kind of what drove you? I use the word drive you into therapy? Is that part of what made you seek out therapy was it you didn’t find yourself choosing love enough? And you were choosing fear more often?

Steven Mills 43:55
I choose fear much more often. Yeah, I load shame to crap on me. I upload shame to really orange Company allowed not to hold me back. So I was choosing fear for years, not through potential any fault at all. But it was my own fault was not actually addressing the traumas and not addressing the past that maybe has shown up in my life. So you talking about trauma reenactment here, I would gravitate to certain relationships in my life, because of my childhood. And they weren’t serving me. And I didn’t, I was vulnerable. So I know boundaries. And fear really troubled me for years. And it was only when I went to that journey healing, that I was able to then start fame than, you know, love and self. Also more love for people around me. And another only due to any trauma or addiction as healthy relationship. A healthy relationship, a loving relationship, someone that’s there for you, unconditionally, on giving you that acceptance, as even when you’re angry. Even When you’re throwing a lot out there, and that’s one thing that gave me hope and help me through much omnious as through the, my partner who was was just solid rock, and she, she was there constant. So relationships and love as another 92 you know, addictions, trauma?

Brandon Handley 45:21
Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, you know, it’s so funny, like just kind of how similar, you know, parts of our journey are right? I can tell you that when I was vulnerable to my wife, Meg, years ago, when I was going through, you know, kind of my space, my journey, actually what even maybe even years before that, the whole the whole gist of of me packing everything up and driving 3000 miles across country in a vehicle that might not have made it was due to her ability to love me as I was on conditionally and then years later, when I was able to be vulnerable and she said, She says, I don’t understand, you know, kind of what’s going through what it is that you’re doing, but I’m here for you. Right. And even even more recently, I think, you know, I just had a, you know, a minor just like blow up, but you know, you talk about that volcano and the eruptions just like, everything had gotten to me at a certain point. I was like, Listen, yeah, I’ve rarely Yeah, really express my anger, right. Which is probably not healthy. But, you know, I had expressed it and not in a violent way. I just like erupted. You know, I apologized, and I just said Listen, I you know, I really sorry, and just, nobody deserves to have to hear my shit just because I’m feeling this way. And she goes, listen, I get it. You know, everybody, just kind of everybody. We’re all gone through some things. And you know, when you have somebody like that in your life, right when you have somebody that’s accepting you as you are. That’s powerful. And I think that that’s also where do the things at home first, right The having a solid This is the importance of a good home life a strong relationship at home a strong relationship with your family because you can be who you need to be and be loved unconditionally for who you are every day at home. It makes it much easier to pass the threshold of your own doorway and into the world and accept that maybe somebody else is going to accept you as you are as you’re being accepted at home.

Steven Mills 47:30
Yeah. Because no matter what we look at, we all look for validation, right? Everyone in life looks for validation. You know, Michelle or Oprah Winfrey used to talk about this everybody acumen I’m sure. You know, we’d see him sad cuz they’re not for you. Even like Obama and all these different people would say at the end, was that good enough for you because we’re looking for validation. So what we all want validation from others and our ways and that police acceptance is powerful, and it’s powerful and it allows us It gives us more Peace knowing that we can be who we are with people around us and and that helps bring peace and come back to grace, about self compassion, if we’re showing compassion does help us on our journey to find more self compassion. And no, it’s not an easy journey finding peace. It’s not an easy journey, finding a healing through recovery from trauma from from from past hearts, but as a oneness, what’s going on. So then, you know, you can then enable yourself to love them, and a better place going forward, and you then allow joy in your life yellow, loving relationships, you allowed yourself to find your passion and your purpose. And one of the things no, as, you know, one of the biggest things I’ve learned is not to care what people think. And if you can come to a place where you don’t care what people think it’s quite, it’s quite cool, because you can just do your thing, be yourself. And, you know, for me, I’ll just keep somebody Thing simplistic, you know, coaching, there’s so many different modalities. There’s so many different things about coaching. But coaching for me is just simply allowing people that space to explore with that. And a good coach is someone that lessons effectively. And that’s good questions. I said, and I, you know, I saw as a coach, all I can the best gift I can give someone is my time and space to explore where they are and really get down to delve into the heart and go that little bit deeper to then help them find the the AHA most breakthroughs I get some that sense of peace. So bear with

Brandon Handley 49:40
it. I think I think once you get to do right is you get to give people permission to find themselves to be themselves right and beyond hindered, and to allow them to share their dreams with you while you support them and helping them facilitate Let’s state that right by giving them permission to be in that space with themselves as they are. And then I think the other part that I would throw in here for you is that you know, your whole journey as and where you are right now, I just want to highlight this is that you change the world outside of you by working on what’s inside of you. Is that fair?

Steven Mills 50:26
Yes, definitely. Because the more you you more you work on yourself, the more you get a crack to help others and a much more effective way, and you can make an impact make a big difference. And, you know, for me, it’s just one passionate team. I don’t need to have a big audience. I don’t need to have you know, thousands of people follow me as one passion. I tell you, if you can change the world to one passion, then I’m happy. I’m a happy man. I’m fulfilled on my journey. If I can change the life of one person per day, I’m living a life of purpose. Making a difference and the lives of others. One passion to another, just like,

Brandon Handley 51:07
just like Jim Rohn said, focus on the few. Yes, it’s on the few brother. You know so Look, man, you’re using the game that just to this whole thing, right is people who are kind of following their intuition, their inner selves and living a life that’s true to who they are. And I can’t think of anybody else that I know that fits that more than more than you are right now. So I appreciate you, again, reaching out sharing your story. What is what is uh, I always like to try and give some other tidbits to the audience to like, what is a book or some type of resource that has had tremendous impact. It’s like, earth shattering for you. change everything about what it is and how you do it.

Steven Mills 51:54
And one of the books I read was recently in the library last year was the The mindful path to self compassion. And I think it’s Dr. Christopher kalmar. Another book that I liked was the body nose score.

Brandon Handley 52:10
And I’ve actually had that one in my garage right now from a friend of mine. But uh, yeah. So tell me a little bit about that. What What does that What about?

Steven Mills 52:18
It talks a lot about, you know, traumas, it talks about past hearts, it talks about how our physical ailments and physical body can tell us what’s going on in our lives. And it’s been it’s been able to then explore and be aware of what’s going on in our bodies. And because more often than not, it does know the score at times. It shows up in our life when we feel that tension or we can feel something like a sore sore throat or it’s a really good book to explore emotions, and know how to express them and how to be aware of them. And it just delves into a lot of different types of traumas and stuff. It’s a really good book. I can’t remember the same fun. I can’t remember the guys name. It’s a Dutch guy and phone number A couple other books there. And that’s the only good bit and the book I’m reading at the moment is called Layton call and by Dr. Hawkins, and this is a very powerful because well and that’s it’s quite it’s a path to surrender. So it’s really about letting go over fears, letting go of, you know, it’s very thing you know understanding acceptance, grief. So again, it’s a very powerful book and letting go and all the different kinds of fears that we have in our lives and how they’re showing up and it’s about just as I love that word, surrender, and people see so the end of the war, belt, surrender to your shelf, surrender to your fears, surrender to, you know, the attachments you have in life, you know, surrender to, and the outcomes. So end up to say having faith and just, you know, finding that space, to just be and surrender to all our own. Everything is our own. Us, I surrender to expectations. So it’s surrenders and really big what I discovered recently and really tried to understand much more. And so let go is a good book, and many other different books I’ve read so many over the years, I was a personal development junkie. I’ve not read as much I don’t read as much as they used to. But I still doubt you will delve into books though. And again, but certainly These are some I would say recently that I’ve had a big impact. Also, the complex PTSD book by Pete Walker was another one and from thrive and survive from surviving to thriving. That was a really powerful book and understanding my my trauma, and yeah,

okay, so I recommend that

Brandon Handley 54:43
last one there, mostly for somebody who is seeking to understand more about their trauma.

Steven Mills 54:49
Yeah, or the complex PTSD or as well not so that’s striving to survive is by Pete Walker, who writes a really really simple so really good book, I would say it was like the best have complex trauma. And yeah,

Brandon Handley 55:04
I love those. I love that all sounds great. So thank you for sharing those thanks for sharing kind of your story, your thought processes, you know, the dealing with emotions. Here’s a couple of anecdotes, right. And I’ve just really enjoyed our conversation here. And I love seeing that you are out there, you know, still serving these coaching communities still giving all of this wisdom and all of who you are to your clients and helping them to build out their own communities and their own coaching practices. as it were, we didn’t talk too much about exactly what it is that you’re doing. But you know, I want I want people to who, for anybody who’s been piqued and interested by you know what Stephen is talking about today and would like to find more About Steven Mills, where should we go to find out more and connect with you

Steven Mills 56:05
and you could check my coaching page on Facebook, Steven Mills coaching, I’m just revamping the website in the moment. And you would find me in the core coaching business Academy, and but the Facebook community that you’re a part of Brandon. So you do a Facebook Live stuff in there and we give away a lot of resources and offer free, free events weekly. So we help development with we’ve got a pro program launching very soon. And for coaches that want to really make an impact and they’re and they’re, you know, practices and also help them thrive as a coach because 80% of coaches in the world and, and under $20,000 a year and we want to help people actually, you know, move beyond that and help them build a thriving coaching practice and overcome the fears of selling and overcome those fears of maybe associate them with what they’re doing. So I my passion lies with helping coaches and find that passion and really start living by the purpose and start serving and making a bigger difference than they may be already doing. And

Brandon Handley 57:13
you’re trying to teach them how to stop playing small, right? It’s a

Steven Mills 57:15
it’s a program that myself and my business partner Kevin Petri have developed. It’s a 12 week program that will be launched very, very soon in July. So we are working hard on it, you know, we’ve got a curriculum ready and we’re just going to be putting it out there. And that will be a part of my work over the next and years to come, I’m sure. As well as I still have my private practice. So you know, Stephens called Chen. And I’ve also got core connections coaching chain, which is the social enterprise, which we still do a lot about working there as well with some of the teams that have there. So a lot going on, and you’re more than welcome to join me there. My email address you’ve got there and but you probably better Find me on

Brandon Handley 58:01
Facebook and you know Steven was caught Shen are the court coach and Business Academy. Hello, brother. Well, hey, thanks again for hanging out with us today sharing your story, like I said, and you know, just being being out there being honest with us and being sincere. Thank you so much.

Steven Mills 58:18
Thanks for having me, Brandon. It’s been a it’s been a pleasure.

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