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Eric Nies is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Hung out with Eric Nies on this episode to better understand his journey and a bit more about plant medicine as well as our connection to the self!

A little bit about Eric:

Eric Nies is best known as the teen idol from MTV’s “The Real World/New York,” the first ever reality show launched in 1992, and the host of one of the world’s most watched dance program, “MTV’s The Grind,” viewed in over 90 million homes around the world. “MTV’s The Grind” became so popular that Eric released “The Grind Workout” a multi-platinum video series. For the following 10 years, Eric made numerous appearances on talk shows, MTV programs including “Real World Challenges,” movies, as well as appeared in magazines and advertising campaigns. As one of reality television’s biggest stars, Eric was inducted into the Television Hall of Fame as one of the “Pioneers of Reality Television.” Throughout his career, Eric’s greatest passion has been to help people, children, and the planet. He has started numerous organizations, movements, and projects to help build awareness for health and well-being for all life on earth.

Connect and follow Eric’s journey over at his website: https://iamericnies.com/ as well as on instagram @ericnies333

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I am on there today with Eric nice, Eric has a he’s got what I would call like, you went through like this kind of like a fame addiction, right? Like the fame tunnel kind of came out of that back in the day with a you know, empty V’s real world, one of the you know, one of if not the first kind of reality TV show that was going on out there. But since then, you have taken this just incredible journey into like, the spiritual realm, all the way from like, you know, the Korean martial arts masters through like, you know, you’ve got your hooked up down there in Peru, right with some of these some medicinal practices, Native American practices, and like, these things are super exciting. And he’s really glad to have you on here today,

Eric Nies 1:36
man. Yes, thank you very much for having me. Sure.

Brandon Handley 1:40
So one of the things that I always start this podcast off with is the idea is that we’re vessels for source, right. And that source is kind of flowing through us at all time. And the idea is that somebody listened to this podcast today. And like I told you, like, so you’re gonna change somebody’s life today, just by showing up. Eric, right by being on this podcast. And there’s a certain message is coming through you that can only be delivered through you to that person. What would you say that messages today?

Eric Nies 2:12
acceptance. Total acceptance of yourself. Unconditional Love of yourself, relationship that you have with yourself is probably the most important thing in somebody’s life. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 2:31
What would you say? The that journey kind of look like for yourself? getting to that point?

Eric Nies 2:37
Oh, wow. It’s been many, many years. And I’ve been on a spiritual journey, probably for about 30 years of my life, starting, you know, hero’s journey, for me, you know, that just going through many valleys of darkness. Going into these places, you know, into the shadow and into the ego and into the fears and the judgments and the insecurities and all those things that we carry around, you know, with us and, you know, to just go in into the darkness to be able to come out in the lake. I think that’s what, you know, my journey pretty much has been all about. Now, for sure, would you

Brandon Handley 3:27
happen to have like, any moment where you feel like you really grasped onto the idea of self acceptance?

Eric Nies 3:34
for yourself, I’ve had many, many, many moments. Yeah.

Probably about 10 years working with iwoca, and mushrooms. With the passing of meditation, just really wanting to understand how to liberate the soul from from its own suffering. But it wasn’t until I started looking into the depths of ancestral lineage programming, and going back into my past lives, to understand you know, why I feel the way that I feel today? What What is, what is my life mean? What, what is the purpose of my life? Why am I here? Where did I come from? Where am I going? Now? What’s the bigger picture of why we’re here on planet Earth? I don’t think many people really have an understanding of, of why we’re here. I think you know, that that question lingers in every human’s mind. You know, why are Why are we here? You know, who am I? Sure, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 4:55
What’s your answer so far? What have you landed on to this point?

Eric Nies 5:00
I think we’re all part of a grand experiment between light and dark, kind of like a game. I think it’s, you know, it’s an experiment that’s been going on for a long, long, long time. And I think darkness has has won most of the time, and I believe that there’s been resets, you know, I think that’s why we see, you know, ancient remnants of ancient civilizations. And so, yeah, I just think it’s a game, and how, and how do you play the game is really what it’s all about? Sure. So

Brandon Handley 5:38
like, kind of the idea of you are the creator, almost of the game that you’re playing? would you would you put it like, into that term?

Eric Nies 5:46
Absolutely. Okay. I mean, we are, you know, we’re infinite potential creators, we’re obviously creators, because we can create another life. So we’re constantly, you know, creating the life that that we’re experiencing. Right? So yeah, for sure. We’re creators.

Brandon Handley 6:07
And we say, like, kind of a reset you thinking like matrix resets? type deal?

Eric Nies 6:12
I think of, you know, yeah, entire reset of a civilization, you know, looking back to Egypt and Atlantis and the Maria and all these ancient civilizations that were, you know, thriving at one point or another, right, but something happened. And now, where did they go? Right, like,

Brandon Handley 6:33
just the total reset there, um, the, the Grandmaster that you hope hooked up with. And for those of you tuning in, I would recommend just kind of go to, I’m Eric nice and read some more of his story, because I’m gonna, we only have 30 minutes. So I’m gonna dig into some of the questions I’ve got about your story. Right? So when you hung out with the Grand Master, then this is just more tongue in cheek than not, but like, Did he give you an answer for the pyramids?

Eric Nies 7:01
That’s a great question. Yes. What did he say?

Brandon Handley 7:06
Yeah, what was the answer on that one?

Eric Nies 7:09
I mean, they moved. A lot of, you know, ancient civilizations such as Egypt. Their minds were very, very powerful. You know, and we’re talking about an infinite possibility of consciousness. You know, we do we kind of live in a society, and in a world now where we’re actually accessing that very, very small amounts of of that and actually utilizing consciousness. You know, or not utilizing consciousness the way that it it actually could be used. But yeah, my grand master was, was really profound, he could do things that would just blow your mind.

Brandon Handley 8:00
Very hard to believe. And I let me I love that story, too. Because it makes like, I’m like, that just seems like the ultimate experience. I mean, like, I’ve watched a lot of Kung Fu, but I never got to have that experience. Like, you know, where the guy goes and gets to stay with the Grandmaster. And like, you did the things that are like, truly like Moody, yes, but this was like, that was your life, and it was legit. And I think that that, like, really cool. So you’ve been on this journey? I mean, you know, 20, almost 30 years now. Right? Um, one of the things that I think is really cool is that you’re using some of this plant based medicine to help people with their addiction recovery. Could you walk me through what that might look like? If I came up to him like, hey, Eric, I’m ready. I’m ready to kick the habit. Let’s go on this journey. Can you tell me a little bit about what that may look like?

Eric Nies 8:44
Yeah, sure. Well, I mean, on the physical level, if you have to, obviously detox the physical body, from the chemicals and the drugs, that person’s using in those things, they come with a heaviness, a frequency and a vibration that is much heavier. You know, then you are in your air, fire, water and earth, Earth shoot Earth suit. You know, so on the physical side of things, you have to go through a very deep detox, you know, once we go through the physical part of it, and then we get into the emotional and psychological reasons for why you are addicted. Where does that come from? What’s the root cause of your addiction? And so then that gets into the subconscious mind that gets into your childhood that gets into traumas, and all different things that have happened to you not only in this life, but in your past lives. Understand why you behave the way that you behave. And we look at the emotional content of your behavior. Why do you behave the way that you behave? And are your emotions controlling you? Or are you controlling your emotions? And so then you have the physical, the emotional and the psychological and the bring them all together, and it becomes a spiritual journey. But the real understanding is, you know, ancestral lineage programming, you know, how were you imprinted and program from these behavior patterns from your family?

Brandon Handley 10:33
And you do like you say, you kind of you kind of goes down like this quantum cellular reprogramming level. Can you talk a little bit more, share a little bit more about what that’s like? And you know, what goes into that?

Eric Nies 10:47
You’re talking about quantum cellular, I think you’re talking about the cyber

Brandon Handley 10:51
skin. Is that is that what I’m talking about? Because Yeah, there it is the quantum cellular balancing. Right? Yes, about that.

Eric Nies 10:57
That’s a Tesla technology. That was a device that was created by a German physicist that uses, you know, quantum quantum physics to to help to heal the body. But that that’s outside.

Brandon Handley 11:12
Yeah, sorry. That’s outside of the addiction recovery. Like that’s something separate from that.

Eric Nies 11:17
Yeah, that that that was a business that I was a part of, of my business, I would use it sometimes for rehabilitation, but it’s not really necessary. The real key is getting to the root cause of the issue. Once you find the root cause of the issue, then the addiction is over. Right. Now, what about

Brandon Handley 11:41
plant medicine involved? The Addiction Recovery? Is that a part of the process as well?

Eric Nies 11:48
Yeah, can be amid the program that I created, which is called the beauty way, which I’ve been using for about 15 years. Plant medicine is not a part of that. But in some cases, if there’s a lot of resistance, and they need to, like break through the different things that are happening with the individual plant medicine could be very, very beneficial. Like I was gonna actually does the work for you. So my program would be bringing somebody into the desert for three to four weeks. It’s it’s all natural superfoods breath, work, grounding, meditation, you know, really diving into, you know, that person’s childhood. But with Iosco you just drink Iosco, what I call the rails. Yeah, hold the rails and attend the shows everything.

Brandon Handley 12:46
You fair fair enough. Yeah. Um, you know, one of the things that I think, you know, I read your documentary, and I listened to something you were doing last year doing this, you know, taking in this plant medicine, right? He’s, I think it was like three, three plants that you were you know, getting to know, right, you had to know me no loud music, no sex with yourself or anybody else. Like I mean, is that journey complete? Where are you at in that process?

Eric Nies 13:16
Um, yeah, that’s a data that I was on for about a year you diet these specific plants, either for healing or for the transfer of knowledge. But yeah, my my idea to is it’s close since then.

Brandon Handley 13:35
would you would you mind sharing Would you be able to share the plants that you can you did the journey with and what some of the takeaways were with that?

Eric Nies 13:43
Yeah, absolutely. The the first two that I dieted for eight months was run Akita and swell the can swelled up, and when Akita is, is actually a tree, and it assists you with rage and anger and swell the welder is a plant and that’s more for a heart opener also swelled as well the console is used to help heal your, your skeletal structure. So I had issues with my spine, I had a couple of slipped slipped discs that I that I wanted to work on and so they suggested swell that can swell the for that and then read Akita was for rage and anger that I was holding on to from traumas in my childhood. And morosa is the third plant that I diet and she’s considered the queen of the aquatic kingdom. And she she’s more of a heart opener as well. She’s very beautiful and loving and kind and so my process was to heal from the traumas in my life and the plants helped me to do that. And that At the same time, they helped me to open up my heart and to, you know, walk a life of beauty and unconditional love with no judgment.

Brandon Handley 15:13
I think that’s really cool. I think that first one, the rage release or one, I think that needs to be sold like in bulk right across, like, across the country, right? I think we could all use a little bit of that. And I want to kind of flip back to, right before you got into this space, you know, as you were doing like a bunch of book club and and, you know, the club music accuracy and all this other stuff. You know, seems like back in the early mid 90s. I was in the same scene, right? Similar scene, you were you were leading the scene. I was like, you know, showing up? But like, do you would you attribute any kind of like, you know, the music or any of like, the interaction it that time and space in place to get you to where you are today? Because I think, you know, Oh, yeah, yeah, if you’re part of like any of the rave culture or anything like that, that was going on, it was all about like some of this stuff that we’re talking about right now.

Eric Nies 16:16
I’ve had some incredible experiences in the club scene with ecstasy and ketamine and mushrooms and and all that. I mean, yes, I was still in a deep house said. So my vibe is more deep soulful house music. But if you are familiar with deep soulful house music and the where that originated from, you know, came from basically from churches in Chicago. And so very deep spirit, as a very deep spiritual side to the type of house music that I listened to. Right. And the messages are very, very spiritual. So it it assisted me keeping me alive and almost killing me at the same time, but the messages in the music really inspired me and opened up my mind to go on my spiritual journey. Yeah, so

Brandon Handley 17:23
the curious about that, right. Because I agree with you, there’s that there’s that whole soulful, you know, vocal house music fan myself, right. And the messaging like you’re talking about, it’s like, it’s uplifting, it’s soulful. And you know, if I can dance it out a little bit, like, I’m okay with that at the end of the day, right? versus like, I don’t know, some of the other messages that you get from somebody. So just it was just curiosity piece. Um, so the last kind of part of your documentary left us with you getting connected with this like Angel guy, right. And just kind of like this felt like there was a felt like, there was a cusp of transcendence happening right there. We want to talk a little bit about, you know, where we left off, and Eric nice documentary online, and, you know, kind of what’s happened after that?

Eric Nies 18:16
Yeah, that’s it, that guy’s from Australia. And he mastered john, he communicates with angels. And I, a friend of mine invited me to go to his event. And I went, and then at the end of the event, they just by choice, they choose a couple of people that can go sit with him. And, yeah, just by chance, he, he chose me, and I can’t really remember exactly, he was, it was just, I get a lot of confirmation, you know, intuitively, being on a spiritual journey, I have a lot of psychics and a caustic readers and mediums and grandmasters and shamans. And, you know, my life is just really about angels and demons. And so I get little bits of information about my life, about my path and my purpose and all those things, you know, year after year after year after year. So he was just another another guy, another healer that came into my life that was you know, reaffirming and confirming, you know, a lot of things that happened to me in my life, and from my life purpose.

Brandon Handley 19:42
I gotcha. So, as I’m kind of reading your story, I’m thinking of like you mentioned, Joseph Campbell’s like, you know, the, the hero’s journey right earlier. I’m thinking of like, you know, also just kind of surrendering yourself right to whatever kind of comes your way Way, has that been a big part of what you’ve done? Just kind of surrender to it and follow your bliss?

Eric Nies 20:08
Oh, absolutely. I mean, really, at the end of the day of the hero’s journey, you put all of your trust into source into God, and trust that, you know, your soul, set things up a certain way. And by, you know, surrendering, you know, you, you actually can make your life a whole lot easier and a lot more magical. If you just get out of the way.

Brandon Handley 20:40
For sure. Absolutely.

Eric Nies 20:42
I mean, that’s really the biggest problem for most is the mind getting in the way, and creating judgment, creating these stories that are not even real. So, you know, identifying your fears and your judgments, and being able to work through those and heal your you know, heal the inner child is the like the first step, but my path has been, you know, healing my ancestral lineage. So this goes back 1000s of years.

Brandon Handley 21:20
Like, very, if you were gonna describe somebody to somebody like what it means to heal your ancestral lineage, what would you say?

Eric Nies 21:33
Yes, so, you know, you’re talking about your ancestors, you’re talking about, you know, program, right, we’re talking about behavioral programming, that gets passed down from one generation to the next, to the next to the next to the next, and it just keeps on going. So you know, the different behavioral programs that we inherit, from our ancestors, there’s different types of behavior patterns. You know, a lot of us most, you know, we all we all deal with abuse on, you know, one level or another, whether it’s physical abuse, emotional abuse, psychological abuse, or even spiritual abuse. And so this has been going on for 1000s and 1000s, of 1000s of years, here on this planet, you know, this, this planet is really a slave planet, to fear and judgment. But, you know, fear is something that we create, in our own minds, it’s actually not real, it’s an illusion. It’s like the great illusion. And it’s what keeps all of us collectively and consciously slaves to something that isn’t even real. And this is, this is what the whole experience is about. So, ancestral lineage, healing, and the liberation of the soul. This is something that Jesus and Buddha spoke about. And it’s their teachings that were left behind. You know, Buddha and Jesus both realize how to liberate themselves, from their own suffering. And what that looks like, is basically objective observation of the sensations or the suppressed emotion that are in your body. So if you can objectively look at yourself without judging yourself and without clinging to some blissful experience, and not judging, some gross experience, you can find the middle lane which Buddha, coining probably the word I think this word probably came from Buddha, which is equanimity, you know, to live your life economist and find the middle lane. You know, then you can find yourself in a very peaceful and harmonious place with yourself, and with nature, and humanity and the plant kingdom and the animal kingdom, and everything that exists here on planet Earth. And so the reason why you want to do that is because we live on a planet of duality. You have negative and you have positive energy here. Well, you don’t want to go too far into the negative and you don’t want to go too far into the positive because both can bring suffering. You want to find the middle lane, the quantumness Lane. And based off of my own personal experience, you know, this is just based off of what I’ve experienced in my own life. This isn’t about reading a book or, you know, somebody else’s teaching when working with plant medicine, and also working with possum, meditation, you know, that’s where I’ve gone within myself personal was to look at the vibrations and the frequencies of the experiences that I’ve had in my life that my physical body hold on to energetically. But these, these, these, these frequencies in these energies, if they’re not, if they’re not in harmony and imbalance with air, fire, water and earth,

then they cause a disruption in your personal field. And then that can come with anxiety, depression, you know, where the physical body feels uncomfortable. But what Buddha experienced was the liberation of that, the release of all of that energy, not just from this life, but from your past lives. Because you bring that energy with you, your soul, your soul carries information, and frequency, and energy and vibration with it from one life to the next to the next to the next to the next. And it’s also within your DNA. So that’s ancestral lineage, healing, it’s healing and transforming the energy of your lineage that is passed down from generation, the generation generation.

Brandon Handley 26:52
Awesome. So that means is, you know, just thinking like you’re talking about, like, all these kind of like, energies come mishmash, together throughout time, I’m just thinking like, a messy ball a string, right? That you just got to spend time to undo right and, and loosen it up. So there’s not a big, big old tangled mess. You know, thanks for thanks for sharing that. What is like something that you haven’t been able to share out on a podcast or a platform that you’ve just been wanting to share out

Eric Nies 27:22
about that at all. I’m completely transparent with my life and all my experiences. vulnerability is my best friend. You know, I’m just here to be transparent, and to be fearless in my expression of everything that’s happened to me, in my life. You know, if you look on my website, and you read my story, then you can see obviously, that I’m not shy about sharing everything that I’ve experienced. Now for sharing,

Brandon Handley 27:53
you’ve definitely shared some stuff understanding

Eric Nies 27:55
is that transparency and vulnerability is going to liberation.

Brandon Handley 28:02
Nice. The so what’s next for you? Eric? I know you were talking about doing a healing temple sounds like you finished up with this. The plant journey what’s what’s next on dock for you?

Eric Nies 28:18
Yeah, I’m working on a book right now. And a second book coming through and earthkeeper book connecting with the people to create our temple you know, guiding people and assisting people sharing information with other people to help them to understand how to liberate themselves from their own suffering, and just exploring and journey around the world to share this information.

Brandon Handley 28:47
That’s fantastic. That’s awesome. Who should be reaching out to your click? I mean, are you do you know, what type of work are you doing right now and who should be reaching out to you?

Eric Nies 29:00
what people should be reaching out

Brandon Handley 29:02
like if they wanted if they want to work with you, are you still doing are you still doing like Addiction Recovery? Are you you know, saw your coaching So what kind of

Eric Nies 29:14
I am Yeah, I’m actually I’m going to be hosting a retreat here and in peace, AK and the sacred valley of Peru at the end of July. And yeah, anybody that’s interested in healing and transforming their lives, wanting to understand how to liberate themselves from their own suffering. Anybody the whole World Fair enough. Fair enough. The

Brandon Handley 29:41
whole world’s invited so wish we send everybody to connect with you where I am Eric nice, calm. Where else?

Eric Nies 29:51
Yeah, I am Eric. Nice, calm and then also my I got an Instagram channel into Derek. Nice. I think it’s there. Nice. Three, three. Three from not mistaken. But yeah, pretty much Graham and also Facebook. I got a Facebook channel where I’ve taken, I got about 1515 years of footage. And we just finished documenting two weeks here in Peru with an Iowa Oscar retreat. And all of that is going to be available on my Facebook page on my fan page. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 30:35
awesome. Now that’s pretty that’s pretty, pretty intense. 15 years and then, you know, just this past couple weeks of Iosco well look man, I just want to say thanks for taking the time for showing up today. And you doing what you’re doing, I think, opens it up for a lot of other people like your vulnerability, your journey, kind of what’s possible if you do follow your bliss and being able to have a wonderful life if you kind of surrender to it the way that you have.

Eric Nies 31:08
Yeah, brother. Well, thank you very much for having me, Brandon and many blessings for you and your family on your journey. And I look forward to seeing what magic you create in your life. Appreciate it.

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Erin McCullough Spiritual Dope

Erin McCullough is a thought leader, an in-demand speaker and an international teacher that helps people create IMPENETRABLE JOY so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life, NOW! Erin had an Anxiety Disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year. Through that experience she learned how and why that happened and developed strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she now teaches. Erin vowed that when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience, so that has been her mission. Erin spent a decade studying the Mind/Body connection, Visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decade she has created simple strategies to Overcoming and Preventing Anxiety, Stress, Worry and Overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally in Joy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are and what you are meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy.

Connect with Erin at https://www.erin-mac.com/

The transcript below is machine-generated and unedited.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Erin McCullough. She is a thought leader in the main speaker and an international teacher that helps people create impenetrable joy so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life. Now, Erin had an anxiety disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year, through that experience to learn how and why that happened and develop strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she’s now teaches. and vowed that she, when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience. So that has been her mission. There’s been a decade, studying the mind body connection, visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decades, she’s created simple strategies to overcoming and preventing anxiety, stress, worry and overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally enjoy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are, and what you’re meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy. Erin, thanks for your work in through the technical difficulties. As a as I told you, I’m working on this newer platform. But thanks for thanks for joining today. How you doing?

Erin Mac 2:05
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. I’m wonderful. How

Brandon Handley 2:08
are you never been better. My whole life has led up to this point. So you know, here we are. Here we are. So I like to start these off with the idea that we are deal sources. We’re talking about like a little bit before we got started here that we are all our source and that the universe speaks through us. And that right now in this moment, the universe is speaking through you to one of the listeners today. What do you have to tell that listener?

Erin Mac 2:36
Well, first and foremost, I believe it is our birthright to be predominantly in joy all day, every day. And if that’s not the experience you’re having, then keep listening. We’re going to talk about all the things strategies, and you know why we’re here what we’re meant to be doing. You know, all the things,

Brandon Handley 2:59
all the things all the things that I love, I love that you kind of chose joy had to go out and I had to go out and grab my, my joy mug. Oh, no. It’s actually like pretty much one of my favorite mugs right as the idea of what you kind of see out first thing I pick up and I carry around, I see I get to see the word joy everywhere I go when I’m drinking out of the mug. So definitely enjoy it. definitely enjoy the word joy and glad that we have the opportunity to talk about it. And I’m also going to be very honest with you. Before I went in, I checked you out a little bit more I was like what kind of fit is this? Right? What kind of fit is this? Because, you know, being a you know, more of a thought leader and all this I suppose like what’s the spirituality fit me and you know, so in your mind, though, like the work that you do is spiritual, you know, the the personal development is spirituality work. Is that set? Right? Is that fair? Yeah. Well, let’s talk about let’s talk about the journey, right, let’s talk about breaking through anxiety. Let’s talk about, you know, how you found yourself in an anxious position and kind of some of the things that you did to work your way through it.

Erin Mac 4:06
Awesome. So you know, my story has kind of like three moments, defining moments, if you will. The first started with the anxiety disorder that you spoke about. It actually came about in talk therapy. I was going to a couple’s group counseling with my husband at the time. And in that first session, I had a panic attack and I never had one before so I had no idea what it was. And the counselor picked up on it right away she explained all you know what it was and first she told me what it was she didn’t really exactly explain what it was. I figured that out later, but she told me that’s what was happening and and from there, you know, she said something’s obviously coming up for you. Would you like to do some individual work and In that individual work, you know, I was telling my trauma story over and over and over again. And what my body decided to do was put up the defense mechanism of anxiety. And so it got so bad that as you said, I hold myself up in my home. You know, it didn’t, it wasn’t an overnight thing and happened gradually, panic attacks, more panic attacks, then, you know, I had one was running, and I was training for a race at the time. And so I felt like I couldn’t run anymore, at least temporarily. And so I stopped running. And then I stopped teaching, I was a teacher at the time. And so it happens that way, you know, slowly, it’s not just one, you know, wake up, and, and no candu. After about nine months of that, she referred me to a homeopathic psychiatrist, who gave me a remedy after a three hour interview, that in 20 minutes basically cured me from the experience of anxiety. That’s the physical chemical piece, right? And I thought, wow, I have a new lease on life, you know, I can go and do all these things. But because of that experience, I was afraid, right. So I decided to move to Hawaii, and move to a small town and have a simpler life, right? Thinking that, you know, then I would never get triggered. And I would just live my life happily ever after in paradise. And unfortunately, while the chemistry piece was handled the mental emotional spiritual piece, not so much. And so I was still there. So in that simpler life, of course, I created anxiety, stress, and all that. So I moved to Hawaii. Immediately, in the first 24 hours, I started a business and I had a client. Within 18 months, I had 20 employees, multiple six figure contracts. And, you know, I was on my way to stress and anxiety. And the second thing that happened that really rocked me to my core was I 10 years into my business of just being frantic and crazy, stressed all the time. A client called in the morning, she was upset, and I would just get so frantic about clients complaining, they got in my car, raced over to a friend’s house, backed into a driveway to drop my daughter off, and I sideswiped her husband’s car or her his truck with my car. And come to find out later, when I came to pick up my daughter, that her husband was under the truck working on it while I hit it, and he thought it was gonna land on him. And that just rocked me to my core, I thought, This is ridiculous. Like, this is no life, you know, running around like a crazy person all the time. And so then I dove, you know, into self development, got involved with a seminar company did all their seminar staff for them, and started to see that there was a different way to be in this world, and starting to make some changes, that we’re having an impact on my life and other people around me. And then about five years later, I

found myself in the middle of a divorce. And for whatever reason, it just leveled me, I was in a dark place. And I thought, you know, I’d spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on seminars, reading all the books, you know, trying to do this other life, but I didn’t really have any legit strategies to doing life differently. So then a series of things happened. I picked up the book, maybe you’ve heard of it, the Course in Miracles, and was about a month and two reading. It’s a daily passage for about a year 365 passages. And nothing I was kinda like, this is interesting, but not really rocking my world. Then all of a sudden, month two, this crazy thing happened where the word started, like popping off the page. It was like the path is joy. The answer is joy, joy, joy, joy. And I was like, finally after a couple weeks of that, I was like literally threw my hands up in the air. I was like, I got the answer. How do I get there? And a series of things happened. I got an email from a gentleman I met. He was teaching a seminar in a wahoo and I thought I’ll fly over for that. I have no idea what it is doesn’t matter just need something positive. And I went and it was a day long seminar on a visualization process that he teaches. And I was so excited by it. I came home and I started using it immediately called my broker who had had my business for sale for like nine months with no bites. And I was like look, I just want to let you know my business is going to sell by the end of the month and there’s going to be a bidding war. And it was like, okay, and long behold a week later That’s exactly what happened. And then I went back and trained this gentleman that I had gone to that seminar, he was having a seminar, to train people to teach his main seminar. And I went and trained for a week I came home, put on my first seminar, and I stood in front of this group of people, and I ditched my notes, five minutes in, because I had this crazy experience where like, everything that I had ever learned, all of my life experience, everything I had ever read, just came together, like at one moment, I went, Whoa, like, this is what I’m supposed to do. Like, I’m supposed to teach people how to find their joy, cultivated daily, and live the life that they’re meant to be living now, without waiting for all the things or the, you know, whatever they think they need to have in order to have that, like, that’s available now. And I happen to also during that few week period, meet the love of my life in these very random circumstances, which I don’t believe in random anymore. And, and so it just all lined up. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last almost four years.

Brandon Handley 11:11
That’s awesome. I mean, and it’s interesting, right, that you came, you kind of came out of a, from what I gathered was more of a business oriented kind of thing versus this pursuit of joy, right, are you that you’re doing now? And I think that I heard you say, on another podcast that, you know, maybe some of this is Woo, but if it is, woo, it’s working out for you. And and you’re okay with it, right?

Erin Mac 11:39
I mean, that’s the thing, you know, people always say, Oh, that’s kind of woowoo. For me, I’m like, I’m looking at woowoo people, they look pretty happy as all I can say. Something too, and

Brandon Handley 11:50
it’s pretty amazing. The idea to have, you know, just try some of these things out for the first time. Very go into a very skeptical, right, this vision process that you’re doing that you’re thinking about, while it seems pretty cool. But then you you go and you try it. And then things start working out. Right. I mean, talk to me a little bit about that. So how did that have that come? And like kind of manifest itself? What was some of your initial reactions when you saw, were even calling it the universe? And what were you calling it? Well, like, what was your know, kind of how, how was that for you?

Erin Mac 12:30
You know, it’s kind of crazy, because you know, how it’s like life. I mean, again, it’s like life unfolds slowly. And you don’t recognize exactly what’s going on. So you look back and go, Whoa, like, look at all these things that happened. That’s crazy. It took me a while to even recognize how much I knew that I was feeling better that I knew. And honestly, you know, I just, I thought I knew what joy was, I thought I knew what happiness was. The thing was, is I was on this, like, roller coaster ride of things, right? It was just like I was so 100% bought into the idea that if I had all the things, you know, a stack of cash, and the house and the car and the successful business, and all the things that we’re told is gonna make us be happy. I had all those things, and I was so miserable, right? But I didn’t even know that it was possible to experience joy. Do you know what I mean? Like I really just didn’t even know what was available.

Brandon Handley 13:39
So I think it’s really interesting that you bring it up, right? I think there’s this, you know, Tale of Two Cities type of thing, where you went, and you got all these things, and you did all the things because this is what we’re taught. But that’s been my experience is like, hey, go through all these things. Because this is what you’re taught. Right? And you’re not doing it maybe with the same intent that some of these other people are doing it right, you’re doing it to a mass and acquire and to be happy and to have status versus what you’re doing now, which is to implement, purpose, intent, and service, right, and the outcome that you’re headed towards now. Right? If you haven’t, I’m sure you’ve already achieved. I mean, listen, if you landed in Hawaii has some clients on the first day and you know, whatever, you know, a mask pretty quick like that, you know, whatever it is that you’re doing right now, I’m assuming is successful, in one way or another, right? And but now it’s aligned to who you are with your purpose and there’s fulfillment and joy in that and the rest of it just kind of comes naturally, right? It comes as a byproduct of that intent and that purpose versus if you could compare To the way that you are running life before, right? You were miserable. You were like, anxious and you know, knocking people’s trucks over on him. Right? And now I’d like you’re doing maybe the same work, I don’t know. But what’s the effort feel like, compared to what you’re the effort felt like before.

Erin Mac 15:21
I mean, you’re, you hit it right on the head, like I am 100% in service of people and myself. And while that may sound selfish, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of where you got to be when you’re in service to people in this way, you know, and it’s a whole different experience, you know, before it just felt like I was grinding, grinding, grinding all the time, you know, like, it took all these things in order to make success, like I really, you know, there are these ideas that we have from a young age, you know, success looks like this formula. It’s right. It’s like, it’s like, hard work plus luck, right, you know, like this, you know, formula of success. And I was 100% bought into that, too. And now, it’s not like that, it’s like, it doesn’t seem like work. It’s not a four letter word anymore. For me, it’s 100%. Like, like, when I give to clients, I give to myself, like, it’s such a win win. Whereas I definitely didn’t function that way in my life before 100%. And now it’s like, you know, while I still have to negotiate, you know, time, you know, balance the things out in my life, this never feels like something I’ve have to do. Like, I’m excited to do it all the time. I feel called to share what I know, because it’s had such a profound impact on my life.

Brandon Handley 16:51
I think it’s interesting to how, you know, on your first seminar, you kind of tossed off to the side and everything you ever knew, kind of fell into this framework. Right, and you were able to just let it freely flow. Right? I mean, what, what looking back, what would you say happened there?

Erin Mac 17:15
Oh, I, I was, you know, I think we’re guided all the time. I think we have support all the time, from all the things, you know, universe, energy in general, you know, I mean, scientifically speaking, energy cannot be destroyed. So every person who’s lived, their energy is here to you know, and, you know, that’s why people talk to loved ones that have passed, and, you know, like, they still the energy is still hear it’s exist, so why not tap into those things? I think, you know, it happens to me all the time. And I’m not gonna lie, it was freaky. You know, because it’s, you know, for somebody who’s like a recovered control freak, you know, a bunch of people and all of a sudden, just free flowing. And not to say it was just random all over the place is still stuck to, you know, we had a workbook and things but, you know, to go off the notes, I still do that. And I just, and I, and I recognize, I mean, even sometimes when I’m on podcasts, like, I’ll just, I’ll wake up in the middle of it and go, Oh, like I, you know, I wouldn’t say it’s me, I want to say channeling, but it’s like, it’s taking energy that exists. Like what I’m telling what I tell people and how I’m in service to people and the information that I share with people. Like it’s not new to me, like I didn’t make this stuff. Right. Right. Right. This is a real learning. Right, right. And when I’m teaching, I see it in the students, it’s like, they can hear me on a deep level, even if they’re not consciously aware of what I’m saying. They’re feeling on a deep level. And that’s coming from not me, you know, I mean, I hear it and I can disseminate that information, distill it down. But it’s, it’s exists, we’re all connected to it one way or another.

Brandon Handley 19:06
No, 100%, right. Truth resonates. And that’s the kind of that that’s the experience and you’re talking to somebody else. And you’re in a room with with these people and and you’re having a truth session on the value column, right? It’s your truth, this is kind of coming through you. And you’re like, I don’t even know, I didn’t even know I could do that. Right? But then, but then the rest of the room is resonating with you. And to me, that’s kind of what it sounds like as happening. And you know, call it channeling. It’s funny too, because, like we we still have our limitations on what we’ll call it, right? Like, I don’t know that. Yeah, I don’t know, I call it channeling I don’t know, you know, whatever. But you know, what you’re doing is you’re at least letting yourself open to, to it, whatever, whatever it is, to come through and to to and through you. Right as a kind of a receiver translator as it were.

Erin Mac 19:59
That’s it. receiver for sure, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and I think we’re all we all have that ability.

Brandon Handley 20:07
I mean, it’s an eight, right. And so, I mean, I don’t know how old your kids are, you know, I’ve got my, my nine year old. And it’s so and and my older child to 11. But you know, it’s so obvious just how like innately in tuned. The children are, right as as as it is and, and then you can kind of watch it literally be kind of like almost a brainwash, but brainwashed out of them, right, like, you know, just kind of have those senses gold and like, you know, go through like this other thing, and you just kind of watch it, you’re like, wow, that’s crazy. Because we go through this relearning experience later in life. Are you an Alan Watts fan? I don’t know who that is. Oh, my gosh, come on now. All right. Alan Watts. Yeah, Alan Watts. You know, he’s a kind of philosopher made. Popular lies, Zen Buddhism. And in the West, West, it’s like in the 60s 70s, right? English guy, you really enjoy him. One of the things that he talks about those, it’s like, it’s like, we’re like salted beef, right? We get all salted and you got it. You got to desalinate that beef. And then you’re like, you’re back to your natural state at a certain point. And that’s, again, sounds to me. I like the way you’re the way you’re going. Right? You’re feeling into it. The what was the cure? I mean, because you had the homeopathic guy, right comes and gives you the cure. What was it? Do you recall? Was it like, a miracle pill? You know, help me out here.

Erin Mac 21:51
Now Now what? homeopathy is so interesting. It’s so distilled down the amount of whatever the substances may come in. Have you ever taken it before? That’s like little tinctures, tablet. They’re little pills. Yeah, no, tiny, tiny little granules. And, and they taste like sugar. And they have just, I mean, it’s almost like they have essence of the thing. And it really is for the purpose of sort of writing your own self, right? So you introduce it to the body, and the body goes, Oh, that’s right. We use a function fairly normally, in this stage. Here’s the thing that I need. And interestingly enough, when she gave me the remedy, she told me what it was called. And she said, I don’t want you to research it. And this is pre internet. It’s not pre internet, but it was definitely internet was not a thing. Really. This was like 99, there was no Google. Yeah, it was not, there was no verb called Google it. And so, you know, she was just like, I don’t want you to research this. And, you know, just see what happens or whatever. And, you know, and I, I mean, I almost don’t want to say what it is because I don’t want people with anxiety to think that that’s the cure all it’s not the cure all, it was just the thing that made me feel better enough to get on the path to recognizing that the work is internal, emotional, spiritual, and then the body follows.

Brandon Handley 23:29
It’s so interesting, though, right? Because we, we’ve, we believe the other way around, right? Because we see the things that everybody’s doing, but we can’t see the inner work, we can’t see how they’re thinking, functioning, or directing themselves internally to get to that point. So we’re like, Alright, well, I’m just gonna go do all those same things. Right? And it doesn’t it doesn’t work out, right? Because we’re not we’re not aligning all three of those pieces of ourselves together. We’re just like, we’re hammering on one at a time. Right?

Erin Mac 24:02
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you see people they have you know, I work with a lot of people who have cancer and other diseases because that’s mental emotional, spiritual two, I believe were three equal parts you know, mind body spirit. And if any of those are out of alignment or out of balance, it’s going to show up in the other ones right and in a negative way or and that not wanted way. And often we can, you know, we can skip past mental and spiritual right we can we have all kinds of ways to not feel and acknowledge and, you know, the obvious ones are drugs and alcohol, the less obvious ones are things like being super busy, not ever having any stillness in our life, you know, being helicopter parents, you know, the SWAMI we spend all day every day Trying not to feel any. And, you know, and so you can imagine, and we’ve done it from a young age, like, it’s not really our fault. It’s, you know, we’ve grown up to this idea that we’re not supposed to have emotions, we’re not supposed to feel those things, only very controlled and in very specific ways, depending on the environment, you know, like, can’t cry in a business meeting, you know, you know, are you crying out to lose it? No crying in baseball.

Brandon Handley 25:32
I know, my first, my first go around, like in the podcast room and coaching space was fatherhood. And a big point of what you’re saying there’s is especially as Western civilization, men, emotions, come on now. You know, yeah. That’s it. I mean, and that’s a brilliant question too. Because we don’t know, we don’t know, one of the one of the tools that I use, often is the blue check wheel, right? Just just has the emotions kind of listed out, I hand it to my clients, I’m like, you know, go through it. You know, take a look at this every day, if you don’t know what this one means. Or if you if you think that you do, go double check the definition of that and just see kind of how you’re applying it in your life and how you can use it to, you know, acknowledge your situation, because we don’t we, I suppose I was like, 40, or something I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I was, I guess, like, you know what, because I had a, I had a coaching friend, he goes, because Brandon, I’m not hearing anything emotional, or there’s nothing emotional. I was like, Oh, let me go check that out. I was like, Well, I

Erin Mac 26:32
mean, unfortunately, our society, especially for a man, like you really only allowed to anger is the only like, standout emotion and now, that’s just as tragic. But that’s changing slowly, as

Brandon Handley 26:45
well. You know, I like to call kind of where we are right now in whatever culture like a hippie 2.0 situation. Right? Right. We’re kind of like a hippie 2.0 situation where like, okay, like, maybe if we don’t deal with all the drugs, it’ll work out better this time, right, like, cut it out on like, the illegal substances. And, you know, we can still get to this place, mentally and spiritually, right. And, and, and since we’re seeing that, there’s, there’s the actual benefits are being seen and heard, and, and I think that the pandemic had such a huge influence, because nobody was spared. Right? If anything good came out of level, it’s like, it’s like, level set everything. So, so for the, you know, for the CEO, or business leader that could normally like hop on a plane and do everything that like, his employees couldn’t, he was stuck at home to with the kids having to deal with the zoom meetings. He wasn’t getting a you know, he wasn’t getting a free ride out of it. Right. And so his mental, her mental health was impacted as well. And they’re like, Oh, shit, everybody’s gone through this, we’d better do something. Right. So we see, right? I mean, so I think there’s some benefit out of this whole COVID situation to huge, right, right, the right mental health space of people, spaces, places and things. So if I am coming to you, and I am like, the client type I am is who you were before you got to this choice spot, right? Um, you know, I’ve got success, not like, you know, I’m not Whoo, kind of guy, my calendars, you know, tight and all this stuff. What are you what are some of the first things that we’re gonna do together?

Erin Mac 28:39
First, we’re going to acknowledge and begin to make some separation between the story that’s been running your life, you know, the story of all the rainbows and sunshine, a story of all the, you know, the yucky, the fit, the unfair, the unjust, the abuse, trauma, all those things, not for the purpose of wallowing in and you know, it just to acknowledge where we started, and maybe what’s affecting some of the ways that we see this world, how we perceive people and circumstances, and then take that story and recognize it for what it is the gift that it has been, and will continue to be in terms of showing us where healing and growth can take place. And you know less about all the things all the details in terms of, you know, who and what happened and all of those things. It’s really more about what did you decide about you because of that story. Those are the beliefs and then when we recognize some of those beliefs, then we can understand that, you know, that’s been playing out in the background, that’s the wallpaper so to speak of our lives, you know, where we make decisions from and a lot of the decisions are fantastic. We need not mess with those, but the ones that aren’t serving the future that we want to create. Those are the ones we want to take a closer look at. And so then, from there, I have people do a day, I have them write out a narrative of the day in the life of everything they ever wanted to create in our life, you know, all outcome based, you know, all you know, all the fields, you know, touch, taste, see, smell the whole deal. So exciting, you know, ever, like literally for a moment, wake up until moment go to sleep one day with everything in it, all the people, all the circumstances, all the outcomes. And then they use that in a visualization. And they start their day, because that’s where I found my joy was in that visualization. Understanding a day in the life now, is it about manifesting? Not exactly. It’s really about elevating the emotional experience, because you have that at your disposal at all times. And so we learn that we can our body doesn’t forget things. So when I’m in my visualization in the morning, like, My arms are in the air, I’m like, super excited, like, yes, that just happened. And then yes, that happened to and I mean, tears of joy streaming down my face. I mean, it’s all the things, I’m 100%. And on every level, I’ve raised my emotional experience. And then, like I said, the body doesn’t forget. So when you have that experience, you can recall it at any time. So when you’re going throughout your day, things start to go south, you can put yourself Take a moment, close your eyes, put yourself back into that moment, refocus and move on, versus what most people do is go out, this thing’s not working out. And then there’s all these other things that aren’t working out, there’s that thing, and then there’s another thing I didn’t like, and then this other person, and then you know, and so just got to read the brain and just, it loves to do the same stuff over and over again, and act like it’s new.

Brandon Handley 32:08
Yeah, it’s not. I mean, I think the idea of the brain, right, it’s, uh, likes to be an efficient piece of machinery, right? consumes so much energy, the more efficient it can be. And so let’s just keep doing this thing, because it’s just, you know, hasn’t killed us in the past? Right? If we just keep doing this, we will die. And we may not be enjoying our lives. But you know, it, you know, hasn’t killed us before. So I enjoy I enjoy the visualization. And and I think that there’s a big piece of what you’re saying there that a lot of people when you’re doing these exercises, don’t hammer home, I think, quite enough. And that’s something I think you’re touching on is the idea of the feels. Right. So my guess is that this is kind of a writing in the present tense exercise. Right?

Erin Mac 33:00
Yeah, preferably, you know, again, outcome base, so you want to say in gratitude, right, because of high vibration, it’s, you know, I’m so grateful that, you know, all these things are happening in my life, you know, as though they’ve happened already, as they exist in the now. Right. And they will, in your visualization, they exist as already taken place, and done deal.

Brandon Handley 33:25
Right. And I think that, that the idea is that I’m just, I’m just feeling your words now. Because I heard you saying earlier today, the idea is that, you know, what wants to give us the idea that right, so if I can feel it right now, then what’s that doing for me?

Erin Mac 33:42
Yeah, that’s creating, so I can’t tell you how to get all the things. I mean, I think, you know, for me, they’ve come by being in that elevated state. And so, you know, I, what I help with is changing the experience of life, you know, and I think that’s a heck of a lot more important than amassing things, you know, if, if I could show you how to change your experience in your life to joy, right now, by doing this visualization, that seems more valuable to me than, you know, telling you how to make six figure seven figures, whatever, you know, to me, other people, you know, they have other ideas, and that’s wonderful. And, and I don’t proclaim to, you know, claim to be able to help with those things. But I know how to find joy and I know how to cultivate it so that you can have that experience. And that’s, you know, that’s the first step is to recognize that you are responsible for your experience and when you know this, not in like fault blame shame kind of a way, in an empowering way, then you can just choose and choose and choose. Just keep choosing that thing that makes you feel good now, it doesn’t change anything, have goals, do all the other stuff, too. That’s amazing. But, you know, given that we only have this moment here, guaranteed why not make this one enjoyable? You know?

Brandon Handley 35:16
Yeah, no, agreed, agreed. And, you know, if I’m, if I’m, if I’m a law of attraction guy, if I’m, you know, in that space, right, this is how I would, you know, kind of liken it would, and I don’t know who it is, there’s plenty of them out there. That’s like, you know, the happiness doesn’t kind of come later comes now, right. And if you can be happy now, and whatever the circumstance, like you’re talking about, then you can make that choice. Again, like you’re talking about all the time. You can find joy all the time, and anything and all you’ve got to do is again, like you’re saying, If I go through the morning, and I had this visualization, I’m like, Well, I’m feeling the feels. It’s all there for me, everything’s great. Ah, and then like, you know, late in the day, I’m not so feeling the feels. And I’m like, Well, wait a second. early in the day, I was feeling the feels. And this was like that kind of anchor point. Right? Let me get back to that for a second. Because I created that moment for myself. Right, versus kind of letting something outside of me create that it was me who did that Creator of all these things, then, here I am. I’m always like, kind of high vibe. And I’m always like, buzzing, right. And then, you know, you’re basically sending that out into the universe, right? Like, just kind of this this high vibe. And, you know, if we act as if the universe is a force multiplier, right? We know that like anything, you’d come out and throw out, there’s coming back at you like, Well, I better stop, throw a monkey poo, right, like and start the things that I could really use in my life that I want in my life. And then you know, and visualize that and see it, feel it and release it right. I think that’s important, too, is kind of just like, release it and not hang on to the idea that it has to happen, right? You’re talking about the people that are like, well, this, Aaron, I tried this for three days, and it didn’t show up. My life did not change the way you said it was. And I’ve you know, I’ve been doing all the things you tell me to do. But I mean, the idea, again, is to go through those fields, have them do the visualization. And release it because again, you’re creating your own, you’re creating your own space, please in time, let’s face that, right.

Erin Mac 37:25
Yeah. And I got two things to say about that. One is I want to talk about the difference between happiness, his idea of happiness and joy, because they’re different. And I forgot what the other one is. But I’ll talk about the happiness, the joy, that one the rest will come. Right. So to me the difference between happiness and joy is that happiness is fleeting, right? It’s you get the new car, it’s amazing. Eventually, it’s just a car, right? It gets you from A to B, and this game of, you know, getting the things to make you feel good, it feels good for like this amount of time, right. And I only know that because I did all those things. I had the houses and the cars and the successful business and the time flexibility, all the things that everybody would want. And I literally kept like going over finish lines. And going, yay, hooray. I’m happy right now. And then, like, when I was doing trap all the stuff of go across the finish line, I would go home after celebrating for like five minutes. I mean, maybe like half hour or whatever, go home and find another race that I could either crush my time in that was longer hard or whatever. Like there was no end to it, like a couldn’t win that race ever. Joy, on the other hand, encompasses some of the you know, the exuberance and all of that Not always, but it can include those. But it also has these nuances of like stillness and peace of mind, which is not thinking all the time thing. Or overthinking and calm. Right. And so those nuances are available and so rich, you know, they’re either things I didn’t know existed. I had no I mean, maybe I’d heard those words before, but I didn’t really understand them on a deeper level. You know, and so, those differences are important, because the one you just can’t win out. So yeah, get all the things and be super abundant and all the ways just recognize that the journey inside is the one that has purpose and meaning the one on the outside where we collect things. Those are super cool and fun too. They just don’t. They don’t fill you up as a human

Brandon Handley 40:01
I think that I think that those are important distinctions, right? Happiness quick and fleeting, right? and joy is a little bit more kind of like a long lasting coal and Ember of warmth, right? Yeah. But a state of being. Yeah. So let me see here. Two things, two things. So I liken this, what we’re doing here is like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody’s gonna, somebody’s gonna tune in, they’re like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. Right? And, and this could be you. So I’m gonna ask you at least one kind of, you know, question is that, uh, you know, let me see here, whoa, yeah. Why are so many people depressed?

Erin Mac 40:47
Okay, so call it depression, call it anxiety, call it whatever you want any low level experience, which is anything that doesn’t feel good stress, overwhelm, worry, all those lovely words, they’re the same thing. They are the experience of the human wanting to control people and circumstances to fit in how they want them to show up, or they don’t feel good. And the unconscious recognition at the same time that it is impossible to control people and circumstances and events to fit into your agenda. And so you can see where that those two things butting up against each other would create some confusion. And so that confusion looks like anxiety, depression, you know, all the it’s, we have this new, we’ve touched on it before the belief thing, right? So it’s foundational, we made up everybody has them. I’ve not met anybody yet, who does not have these very core ones that are things like, I don’t deserve, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable, you know. And they’re all basically the same thing. Like, I’m not good enough. And so those are underlying all of our decisions and how we’re feeling about ourselves. And then we interact with other people. Based on those beliefs, we have decided what’s right and wrong. So that’s how people are supposed to show up for us, and how circumstances are supposed to show up for us. And so we got into this habit of we learned this piece about when this person says something or the circumstance doesn’t turn out how I want, then somehow it’s their fault, right? So if that person said something, and they’re rude, instead of that person said something triggered something in me that did not feel good. What is that? And why is that there? When we look at that with wonder and curiosity and go interesting, because I guarantee whatever is triggering, you is not triggering me. So that’s how, you know, it’s all you.

Brandon Handley 43:06
It’s true. Um, you know, if if I was spiritually looking for a date, then then I would say, Hey, what’s up? I’m good. And I agree, you know, I don’t think there’s a piece in there that I disagree with. So So thank you, I think that’s a great answer to to it, right? Everybody’s still trying to control the outcomes in some way, shape, or form. And when they’re not turning out the way they want them to. They’re not they’re not accepting it. Right? They don’t see it. And I think that the idea of approaching these triggers with wonder and curiosity versus like, kind of anger and angst is also really why is this can trigger still here. Right? So it makes sense. And I love it. So and what else I know that we talked about, you know, you’re doing the work that you’re doing now, but you’ve got a new endeavor, what are you, you know, what are you leaning into next?

Erin Mac 44:00
Oh, my gosh, I’m so excited. I’m working with couples right now. I just finished doing my pilot course, on partnership. And the reason I’m so excited about it is, well, first of all, I truly believe we are here for spiritual development, or you call self development or whatever you want to call it consciousness. And when we recognize that that’s why we’re here and that all these you know, challenges that come into our life are for the purpose of our growth, then we can, you know, grow and heal and enjoy ourselves, right? Well, what happens when you bring two people together, that understand that there’s a process to healing and growing and understand that same process in a way where, you know, in couples, it’s like, it’s easy to see how escalation can happen because it’s like, especially when I’ve just told you what’s going on. Right. So You said this thing, it made me feel bad, you know, right. So instead of, you know, we do this responsibly, so then we go, Oh, you said this thing, I feel bad. There’s nothing that you can do to make me feel better, I’m in charge of making me feel better. And then they can support you in that, right? And then instead of escalating it’s support, right? So it’s not, you made me feel this way. It’s, I feel this way, and it doesn’t feel good. And, you know, support me in that instead of like, get your beliefs and you know, the things in your life that aren’t working out and escalate, escalate, escalate, it’s like, no, this is mine, I own it, it doesn’t feel good. And then the two of you work together in that capacity. And it’s just amazing to watch couples, it’s exponential, because not only is their relationship so much better, but think of the impact that will have on their kids, the rest of their family, when they can see two fully functioning adults coming together, helping support each other in their spiritual growth. It’s phenomenal. And so that sounds awesome. That

Brandon Handley 46:15
sounds awesome. So where does, you know? What, who’s your ideal client? Like in this space? Right? So I think we got two types of ideal clients, you got the partners, ideal clients, and then you’ve got your, your, your standard practice clients, what is what are they?

Erin Mac 46:30
So ultimately, you know, being an entrepreneur for like, 21 or two years now, entrepreneurs, like me, for some reason, because I get their craziness, I understand that they are under the gun and responsible for a lot of things. And those, typically, and leaders to write just people have a lot of responsibility. That, you know, like to make all the things work out, you know, like to control all the things, those are the people that I ended up working with, because I get them, I was them. And I still have nuances of that, of course, you know, so working on me, and all that all the things. And then couples who are recognizing that, you know, especially when you’re coming together as maybe two, what do they call that the set called the two families come together to blend in? Yeah. Like, I’ve noticed quite a few couples that are interested in working with me, that have that situation, because it’s, you know, it’s already challenging being in partnership, but then you bring in the kids and just escalates all the things. And so, you know, any couple, of course, who’s having an issue, wanting to communicate in a deeper way or, you know, deepen their relationship in some way. Fantastic. And, you know, it’s super challenging when you’re bringing in, you know, other kids and into the mix and all that. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 48:05
hard enough with your own, right. Yeah, for sure. So and where then, where Then should I send people to come and find you, if they’re interested?

Erin Mac 48:18
I think probably the best place to find me is on Instagram. My handle is Aaron, er, I N m A C LLC. And I post like a weekly video on some sort of strategy or something to think about. And I put like, inspirational memes and my stories. And my website URL is in the profile as well. It’s a good way to interact with me, you can DM me, you can private message me or whatever. You know, and I always whenever I’m on a podcast, I offer a free I call it step one to joy call to just get you on the path, you know, maybe I you know disseminate the, the visualization process a little bit further so that you can get started on that and your life or whatever that looks like. And if afterwards, you still want to hang out with me and learn more than great if you don’t, no strings attached. It’s just my way of being in service.

Brandon Handley 49:21
Awesome. And thanks so much for being on today. Thanks for what you do, right? You know, being able to help people make that transition from a Bumble of nerves into something, you know, a little bit more usable and functional in society. I mean, there’s the there’s a reason why that’s your calling. So thank you for being of service and doing that for everybody out there.

Erin Mac 49:47
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. And thanks for having these platforms. It’s really important to have these conversations, giving people hope and strategies and just something to think about that’s, you know, positive I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much. Absolutely.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
Alright, guys, we are going to finish up. This book took a little bit longer than I had intended. And I guess that’s just what life is about sometimes. The key thing here for me anyways, is that, go ahead and finish this up, I think that I did this with what was the other book I did. What was the other book I did, um, besides getting rich, took me a while to finish it. And it was really just a matter of sitting down to do it, finding the time making the time to do it. So we’re gonna finish this up, We’re on chapter nine of Are you ready to succeed, where’s the book, there it is. I will also post the video of this to YouTube and put a link here as well. So you can follow along with the mind map. And I’ll say the mind map as well. And you can download the whole thing and take a look at it if you want, if that’s something that you would like to do. So just as what I’m choosing to do on Father’s Day, finish this up. It’s important to me and just kind of making that time and it’s like, if you don’t finish these things, you’ve always kind of got this open tab in your mind this open loop that never got closed. And that’s just me finishing this up. I was always enjoyed getting something like this finished up as well. And this one’s pretty important. It’s a pretty important chapter that I feel like I’ll share with you. And we’ll work we’ll work our way through it. So as we’re looking here, and we’ll work our way through it, We’re on chapter nine of Are you ready to succeed, unconventional strategies for achieving personal mastery in business and life by Sreekumar. Ralph. And, you know, I’m also taking his course, with creative and personal mastery and taking the course in person with people after having gone through this several times already. It’s it’s a, it’s a whole different world as well. So chapter nine is you create your world from what is inside of you. And the intro starts off with the whole idea that most of the models that you currently have in your life, they don’t serve you well, are they serving us? Sure every model serves you, right, every story that you’re telling yourself and everything that already exists, is serving you in one way or another. For better or worse. The idea is that you can’t simply adopt a brand new model and just say, Yeah, well, that’s my new model, and I’m gonna use it. The the key of it is to find evidence of it at work. For example, right now we are in the class going through the section of creating our new realities, determining what we want that new reality to be or that new model, and then looking for evidence of that model at play in action, and writing down and capturing that and saying, Hey, here’s where I see that evidence of it, jotting it down. And it’s when you do that, that you reinforce the idea. And that’s really what what he’s talking about here. And then the the whole idea is there’s going to be he’s going to give us a general purpose model as we go forward here. And I’ll also liken that to framework right, here’s the framework of something, here’s the outline of something that you can use the model is an outline, and you can kind of fill it in as you see fit and ways that work best for you. So what’s inside of you? You know, pretty sure I’ve talked to this a couple times. And I think I just did it recently, where I talked about the idea of Wayne Dyer talking about the oranges and orange juice is the only thing come out of orange juice because that’s all that’s inside of it. Sreekumar Rao uses this rasa gola, which is a traditional Indian sweet to round and white about size of a ping pong ball. And inside of it is a sweet sweet syrup. No matter how hard you squeeze it. That’s all it’s kind of come out because that’s what’s inside of it. The thing is, is that what’s inside of us is currently or most often

Unknown Speaker 4:30
not,

Brandon Handley 4:31
not sweet, syrupy, and not just orange juice. We’ve got all these other things that are inside of us that are we he calls, it’s going to be guilt, depression, envy, worry, unhappiness, shame, sorrow, nervousness, jealousy, hate, fear, embarrassment, or frustration. Because that’s, that’s what our mental models have created within assess that mental chatter that when we started this process, that’s what we kind of that’s what we do. developed. And it reminds me of the stories that people call a news story or other stories and the the idea of you’ve got two dogs that are always fighting each other. Right? And the two dogs are always getting bet on by random people in a dogfight. And the person who is the person who’s leading that right the in the story, like it’s a grandfather, Indian who’s who’s doing this, and he always bets on the right dog, he never loses. And so one day his grandson asked some because why, how do you know which one of the dogs is gonna win? And he goes, Well, that’s easy. It’s the dog that I fed all week, right? So whichever, and this is like, the, you know, whatever you give your attention to is what grows. So whatever you tie up in your mind, and your mental chatter, that’s, that’s what grows, whatever model you give the most attention to, that’s gonna be the one that quote unquote, wins, whether or not that’s the quote, unquote, winning model for you, it’s still going to be the model that gets the most energy still going to be the model that takes precedence in your life. So that idea of what’s inside of you, you can cultivate, you can cultivate that. He says here, that transformation begins and ends with mental models, right? You keep the ones that build and nourish you, like I’m talking about here with the idea of you feed the dog that you want to win. And then you remove the mental models that are filled with poison and content. With what’s an example this, think, I mean, trying to think of it earlier. Even myself in this past week, I was like, how could you do I forget what it was I’d done. I was like, how that was stupid, or, and I caught myself like talking, talking down on myself or saying something about myself or sometimes getting caught and worry, that doesn’t make any sense to get caught in because the future is never kind of certain. Right? And why waste your time focus on these these worrisome moments that may never happen and most likely never happened? and waste your energy there. Where Where? Where else? Could you be using that thought, energy, that powerful creativeness of yours, right? You will, because you’re using your creative energies, to create something that’s just awful and shitty. And you could use that same energy to create something really awesome and beautiful, right? Or amazing or at least beneficial to you. So leverage, leverage a model a mental model that is beneficial to you, because regardless of whether or not you

Unknown Speaker 8:07
are,

Brandon Handley 8:10
God create you, regardless, regardless of you creating something, he may as well create something that is useful for you. So he recommends this benevolent universe model and this is one that I know that ever since I first have seen it, it’s something that I’ve been able to implement in my life. And it’s, it’s been wonderful serves me wonderfully. I’ll read a little bit about reading from the book here it says the universe is conscious of benevolent entity, it always acts in your best interest and always brings into your life exactly what you need at any instant. And if the idea is to you know, just really look for those instances and I can I can look at you know, when I got let go of, from Cisco when when they, when they eliminated the job, right? They didn’t let go of you, they’ve eliminated the job and then went into real estate for a couple months. And then as the pandemic was coming into full swing, somebody reached out to me, too. See if I was interested in another job, and I said sure, yeah, absolutely interested in it and think it’d be a great fit perfect almost for me. Exactly where I believe I need to be right now. It was it was like almost a perfect role for me. As you know, who I am and where I am at this point in my life. And then, right, the week that I’m and here’s the deal to like, I mean, you know, kids are home from school. pandemic’s going on. And this was a job working from home, great benefits, all the things. And then they stopped hiring that week that I was hired, right. So this like, again, the idea that it always acts in your best interest always brings into your life exactly what you need, at any instant, right? Right when you need it. That was, you know, that was how I saw, you don’t have to sit, that’s, and here’s the thing, you have the opportunity to see this as you like, you don’t have to see it. The thing is, if you’re going to step into this model, you have to start looking for the evidence of it in action for you, so that you can support the model that you would like to implement. And there’s been countless and several other times that I have seen this at play in my life. Since since picking up on this model, that wasn’t the only time there’s definitely several other times, but I just want to use that as the example because even though real estate people killed it this past year, in real estate, and they’re and they’re still doing really well. I don’t know what would have happened, if I would have had to have stayed in real estate would I’ve gotten sick, but I’ve got somebody in the house sick, you know, would something else have happened? And, and there would have been a lot of worry and frustration at home in the family life, if I’d stayed in that so that the universe provided this, this other option that was perfect for me and my family at that point in time. And, you know, once you start seeing stuff like that, it’s really kind of hard to stop or turn back. So the idea too, is that it inspires if you’re able to do this, if you’re able to begin to pull this type of model into your own life is is it as bad as the whole idea of heaven on earth? Right? Because now, like, you’ve got the universe actually working for you and your own benefit? And it is it becomes again, like heaven on earth? And the idea to is, is where’s the time to think, you know, that is this? Is this real? No more so than any other model. Right? But the thing is that all the other all the other models are just as false as as this one. So, again, what if it’s really true, though? What if, what if it really does work out this way? And then you know, what does that mean for your life then. And

I’ve been able to, again, implement these into a point where I believe it, and I see it. So he also mentions here that all the exercises within this book, have basically led up to this convergence point, giving you the exercises to test out to be able to see the universe is working on your behalf. And now it’s like, okay, now you just may just come out and say it right. But this is, and you can look back, if you’ve done any of the exercises in this book, if you take many of its courses, and you’ve done a lot of it even to the lightest, lightest varying degree, then then you’ll you’ll be able to say, oh, shoot, the universe really was working on my behalf. And and now you know, there’s, there’s something amazing going on for me. So he’s gonna hit back again on the idea that our beliefs cannot be forced. So you simply cannot force yourself to accept the proposed model. You may recognize it intellectually, and that it’s a good idea, but you can’t just automatically accept it. You can’t believe it all once. And I liken this to the idea of who’s the guy who wrote the book PLOS sees time mahalik go look for small things that you can believe then instead of trying to take it all in at once, if it’s you know, if it’s too much at one time to say yes benevolent universe, and bla, you’re like, Fuck that. The thing is, then take something small that you can work with and then start looking for how that is beginning to show no small pieces of benevolence from the universe towards you. So whatever you believe now, small pieces and then just each time something a little bit beyond that initial point. So small increments outside of the known at the time and then over time, it will become massive over time. It will become This this piece of the universe that that is with you. And it’s going to become very difficult and challenging to refute. At a certain point in time, just just like any of your existing models, like you’ve got models, right now you’re like, they are totally true, this is always happening. And this is how it is blah, blah, blah. So if you can, however, begin to accept this, this, this model for yourself, and begin to implement, excuse me begin to implement it, you will, you’ll, you’ll start to see benefits almost immediately, again, I’ll go to the current exercises that we’re working on where we create, we have a current reality, we’re like, this Dahlia thing is not ideal in my life and where I’d like it to be. And then you reshape that to say, you know, this reality is totally serving me, and here’s how it serving me, and then you start looking for evidence that it is serving you. And that’s what he talks about here. And the exercise of building up the level of universe is real similar, it says, a look through your history for areas that may seemed awful, but eventually lead you to a better place. Right? Look, I mean, the pandemic, I think the pandemic has led a lot of people to do some inner work that they, you know, hadn’t been willing to face. And now, there’s this mental resilience that I think is happening all over the world that is playing a big part and, and in who we are, I think it’s also hit corporate, pretty hard. So that now our corporations are really seeing how people as people, as they should have, all the time and are really doing what they can to improve the mental stability of their, of their workers. And I think that I think a big portion of that is genuine right now versus a lot of it in prior had been lip service. And now, and now I think they I think it seems like it’s more meaningful.

So you look for look through your history of where something seemed bad. And then you also look for areas where Hidden Hand played a role in getting you to a better place. I’ll use the example I think I was in fourth grade and California, Northern California, it was the mid 80s. And we were moving again. And I was pretty upset that we’re moving. However, I think a week or two after we moved. Like there was a ginormous flood from the Russian River literally wiped out the neighborhood where we’d lived. So within weeks of us leaving, where we’d lived have been wiped out who knows what would have happened, right? It could have been completely hideous and awful. But there’s an area where Hidden Hand played a role, basically kind of saving our lives. So you’ve got something maybe not so drastic and dire that’s happening in your life every day. So you want to look for ways of maybe something, maybe something that impacted your day. It seemed kind of shitty for a moment, but like you’re like, what good can come out of this? What What did I learn from this, where’s the benefit to me in this or my family or my job or anything like that, and you write that down a look for you look for a way that the universe is being benevolent for you like at least once a day. So and then you just you write it that hand write it down, I can’t stress that enough. I really believe that that makes all the difference in the world by handwriting it versus anything else. So there’s also going to come a point to where you feel like you’re slipping back, you may feel like you’re slipping back into your old models. But this is where you double down. You’ve put all this effort in and you don’t want to risk losing the ground that you’ve gained. So and that that can easily happen. Because we’ve had our default models for most of our lives, right, it’s really, really, really easy to fall back into that pattern. I used to be a smoker I used to smoke. And whenever you quit smoking near maybe you’re smoking like one to two packs a day. The idea is that when you go back to it, you don’t go back to one to two pack there. If you don’t go back to a couple cigarettes a day you go back to where you left off. Same thing, same thing is applicable here. You’re gonna go back to whatever dirty nasty habits you had before in your way of thinking versus this new way It is much more beneficial to and end your life. So he also, this is the way he gets it. So I feel, you know, when you get to the end of the book, and you’ve been doing all these exercises, it’s just like I’m saying you kind of start slipping back into your mileage to so much work so much effort. Most of the times I’ve gotten through this book I don’t always make it a point to go read these good stories right about Special Olympic where’s the Shaka fellows who had just read about this was the first time in four years I went look this guy up and read about, you know, kind of what he’s brought into the world. And then there’s, you know, go and there are these there are these incredibly inspiring stories that you can go read and see what’s possible for for just about anybody, given any conditions and conditions for some of these people can be absolutely horrendous but it’s it’s overcoming those those conditions that is what makes the stories awesome. And then there’s a business people who snap back from bankruptcy. So that’s one that I did look up and go through. Let me see if see if I say that yet. Like people like Milton Hershey, right, Hershey’s candy, this guy, you know, he, he faced bankruptcy, George Foreman, he was bankrupt. And now he’s got an estimated wealth of over $250 million. Who’s another couple people I thought that were that were Henry frickin Ford, you know, bankrupted himself in 1903. You know, he tried failed again and kept on going until his dream becoming a reality with today’s net worth estimated at is that like, I don’t know, 188 billion, right? 188 billion. Today Walt Disney is another one who was bankrupt. And Abraham Lincoln So here you go through and he like you’re worried about you know, these failures. Have you ever worried about like going bankrupt or anything like that think about some of these people and and what happened after their bankruptcy who they became even though at one point they were bankrupt, and start to apply this benevolent model, university yourself.

So coping with senseless tragedies is another piece that he’s gotten here as we talk about, like these benevolent models, and we talk about everything else going on there. There are certain things that are going to happen in our lives were like, you know, loss of a child loss of a loved one that super close to you. Yeah, God, I was talking to a gentleman the other day, I was very upbeat, very kind doing his daily job. And he was in Florida with his child who’s had who was a twin and his, his, his bones were all jacked up from the from the bottom, which call it the sack, you know, the, the prenatal sack that they’re born in, and it opened up in 12 weeks. And so when he came out of the womb, he was twisted up like a pretzel. The doctors have had to work on his bones his entire lives, kids only nine years old, gone through all this stuff, getting his legs, broken ligaments, like, cut and spliced in so that he can walk, feet reset all these things. And this is a nine year old kid, a dad going through it. I was like, holy shit, man. The idea that you’re even upbeat and going through all these things, and you still have this good sense of being was really impressive to me. But this is a type of thing that’s kind of like a senseless tragedy. It doesn’t make any sense. Why would this happen to anybody in it in this this benevolent universe, right. And the thing that struck Morales saying here is that you’ve got to do all the work that came before in this book before you can start to cope with these senseless tragedies. And the idea is that the universe’s intervening in your life that is Ziering you around the pitfalls and bringing you what you need over to bringing you the help that you need. When you feel overwhelmed leading you to bounty in different guises and always looking after you in a myriad of ways. You have to feel this way to a very deep level before you can use the strategy of you saying take a look at the idea of a forest fire right when the forest fire happens. It’s just like, it burns everything out of its way but it’s also necessary for for the forest to go through that. History talks about he talks about the idea of leveraging you know maybe some of these things that are paying you or suffering you to take maybe maybe you got to take some Measure to lessen it, you do it consciously. Maybe you can, I don’t know, bring awareness to it right, y’all you see that often I was another gentleman I saw that almost died last year of a blood clot in his leg. And now he’s helping to bring awareness to it right, he’s in a, he’s got a role in his life where he’s able to take this, this thing that’s happened to him and apply it and bring awareness to to blood clots. By leveraging again his his status in the world, and share out with some people and some ways to prevent it and what you can do if it does happen. You know, again, here’s the idea to right, did it uh, he says it’s wonderful, liberating to live in this world, this world where the universe behaves as if it were specifically designed for you and actually give you exactly what you need a world where you can accept it. What you want is not always what you need the child. This is good, too. The child may want to tell advice, cream, but a wise parent provides fresh fruit and vegetables. He says, Are you kidding that the universe looks like this? Yes, you absolutely are. But you’re also kidding yourself, if you think that the universe is the way that it is now. So you again, you have to you have to make this choice. Right that? Do you want to dwell on a peaceful abode with a sense of fulfillment and purpose? Or do you want to wander around the corridors of a House of Horrors where, you know, ghastly apparitions appear without notice? It’s your choice and all your choice and it’s far better choice to live in the bosom of benevolent universe. So I mean, that that kind of closes it up, right? It’s, it’s it is your choice. To live in this benevolent universe, it’s your choice to go ahead and build out this model is your choice to support this model, I just always your conscious choice to build out any model. Because that’s, that’s exactly what you’re doing. Anytime that you’re, you know, you’re beating yourself up, you’re, you’re, you’re, you’re supporting that other dog, but we talked about the dog that always wins. So

I hope that you’ve enjoyed already ready to succeed a little bit of a deeper dive into it. And I hope this inspires you to either pick up this book or try somebody exercises yourself or excuse me do some of the work yourself to to just dive into it in the back of this book too. As Sreekumar Rao has a some reading list, I’ll see if I can go ahead and direct you to it or post a couple of it not only does it give you the Reading List of gives you a one year reading list, which is pretty cool. But then he has his other supplementary reading list where he will give you the levels of the book, he puts it under different headers, Business and Management. What’s another header here? I don’t know. Anyways, like plant plenty of plenty of plenty of other you know books. Here’s one mind over matter. One of the first ones here I’m just gonna give you an example. Mind over matters the type of book you know, Dwayne wire. Wayne Dyer, you’ll manifest your destiny. Popular speaker author Wayne Dyer has other books you may wish to explore. This book is good manual on how you can and he gives you a little synopsis good manual on how you can use metaphors to screen a physical reality. It contains good tips on how to harness the power of subconscious mind. And the whole has explicitly spiritual underpinnings was quite common in this genre reading level number one, right so you know check out this book if that’s something that you’re interested in. If you’re interested in trying to get yourself into a mental model that just says hey, the way my life has been going not the model I want to use and really appreciate Brandon you sharing Sreekumar browse models sounds like something I could be interested in using and applying in my own life. Anyways, take care guys that’s going to come bombed on Oh, god, I’m done. Like I said, I’ll share out the I’ll show this mind map. So you can kind of see the the map here of how I kind of wrote it out and you can pick up the book yourself. Try it out yourself. The book resonates with you. I highly suggest checking out the course. The live course if you can. It’s called creating personal mastery. I’ll share a link with that in the notes as well. Until then, we’ll decide what our next little adventure baby take care of

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David J Sandercott Meditating his way into Modeling

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope I’m on today with David Sandercott a big thanks goes out they were just talking he, he and I were on together probably was about a month ago David and something in the ether chewed up. It’s like, you know my dog ate my homework type of thing happened. And so Dave is back here again for a second round. I really appreciate coming back. So Dave is the author of 21 day meditation journey connect with spirit every day in a new way, a life and business coach and speaker, David is also excited to announce it he is now working with small businesses and large corporations. In 1998, David decided to be the shortest high fashion model ever. He also decided that he was going to meditate himself there. In 2001. David was the shortest male model ever to appear in Vogue magazine and the six page spread shot by Helmut Newton alongside supermodel Kate Dillon. Ever since David has been inspired to help others to achieve their dreams, David, thanks for being on today. How are you? Hey, thanks.

David Sandercott 1:04
Happy to be your brand. You got the longer older bio there from the website? Is that right? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:11
I did. I mean, I thought that was actually pretty short one I was I was happy. I was like, wow, you know, you don’t have your whole life story there. Thank you.

David Sandercott 1:17
Hey, good. I like I like short BIOS,

Brandon Handley 1:20
is a good one. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. So well, you know, we start us off with the idea. Let’s see if you remember everything that we did last time because it was perfect. The we start us off with the whole idea that source speaks through us for like just kind of this moment and purpose. And right now, you know, sources speaking through you to an audience member, and only the way that it can through you What does that message to that audience member today?

David Sandercott 1:50
Wow, that’s a great question. Brandon was gonna close my eyes and connect a little bit just to make sure I get it right. You know, I think that message is, you know, above anything is to believe in yourself, to love yourself. And to know that if you have the inspiration in your heart, if you have that reoccurring thought of this thing that you want to do, or that pool to do something, that you have everything you need within you to do that thing. And if you’re using the excuse of I don’t have the money, I promise you that’s not what’s stopping you from doing it. You know, you’re most people think of capital is money. You know, Facebook, Steve Jobs, apple, they didn’t have millions and millions of dollars to start, they started with the capital in their mind, which was an idea. And it’s just like, just like them your idea is your true capital. Does that make sense? Does that sound like something they want to hear? I

Brandon Handley 2:52
love I love it, man. Absolutely, absolutely. I think I think you know, you’re being pulled to do it. And I think that that’s something How can somebody recognize that they’re being pulled to do it? And it’s not just ego telling them that that’s the thing?

David Sandercott 3:04
Yeah, that’s a great question. You know, that’s part of the art of life of you know, how to be human is learning how to be a happy human is learning to decipher between that voice that speaks to you that, you know, let’s say Bugs Bunny, right, Bugs Bunny used to have the angel pop up and like the devil on one side. And so you have to learn to differentiate between those. And what I can most to tell you is that fear is the is the devil. And, and when it feels good, and your heart opens, you know that that’s God, that’s the angel. You know, I don’t think I can give you some sort of linear way to tell you how to decipher those voices. You have to do it through practice, through learning to love yourself and trust yourself and through meditation and contemplation. But usually it feels good and doesn’t involve fear. And then what was the second part of the question? I don’t remember I was so that’s alright. It was a great question. But how do you decipher? And then the one thing you said that you’re being led, you know, how do you know that you’re being led? And it’s, it’s simple. So two things, like one exercise I did is I wrote down 10 goals every day for a year. And it was like, what those what goals of those were left at the end of the year. Those were the ones that were really important. They kept the ones that kept coming up over and over and over again. And again, it’s like that in your heart and in your mind, what keeps coming up. What do you keep thinking about wanting to do what inspires you when you think about doing it? And that’s, that’s the poll that I’m speaking of, and, and to some degree, it’s also easy it because it’s not that there’s not challenges or obstacles, but it’s some it’s easy, it’s easy when it’s right. It’s easy.

Brandon Handley 4:51
So being invoke was right and easy for you. Let’s talk about that.

David Sandercott 4:57
Yeah, you know, someone interviewed me for that reason. Recently are, you know, we’re talking about manifestation, the art of manifestation. She’s like, and I bet you that you had some some struggles or some challenges, you know, leading up to getting in vogue. I was like, No, it was so easy and effortless, you know, it was part of it. I think that I was I was so young, that I hadn’t had much, you know, adversity in my life maybe. And I just decided to do something. And I decided to meditate. And I decided to visualize, I decided to read affirmations and I decided I was gonna do this thing. And it Honest to God was the most easy and effortless thing I’ve ever done in my life, I think because it was right, it was divine, it was it was to show me that you really can do anything you put your mind to, if you believe in yourself, and stick with it.

Brandon Handley 5:50
You’ve got a lot of, you know, a lot of good stuff in there, right? I think that everybody feels like it’s supposed to be a challenge, right? If it’s worth it, it’s gonna take work. If it’s worth it, you’re gonna have to put in the work and it’s gonna be hard. And you know, you got to put in, like, you got to grind it out, and this other stuff. But when you do it in that manner, then you know, it’s kind of like what you put out, there’s what you get back. That’s exactly what it’s going to take, it’s gonna take a grind, and it’s gonna be hard and all this other stuff. But it sounds to me like what you did was you said, but here, here’s another piece of this, too, that that I think we don’t hear a bunch of and like the law of attraction world. If you don’t know how to do it, and you just start doing it, then it the patches kind of opens up for you. Is that kind of how it went for you?

David Sandercott 6:40
Absolutely. Because that’s where I want to say action is the key to success. Now, there’s all kinds of action involved, right? There is there absolutely was and yes, that is how it started. All I knew I needed to have pretty pictures of myself. You know, I knew I needed that. So that was that was the first step. I knew I needed to be in great shape. But that’s what I loved doing anyway. So there was a lot of work in the gym. But you know what, I? There’s nothing I would rather do in my life than that. And then yeah, there was x and you just had to talk to agents. You know, I mentioned I went to New York, and this guy is just Oh, looking. Cute. Haha, you want a bottle? And you that didn’t faze me. I was just like, you know, oh, yeah, I’m gonna be a model.

Brandon Handley 7:34
So when you’re saying that to it when you said action, right, and I forget what I was watching. I was like another, you know, law of attraction, spin off, or the secret spin off for a bunch of people that were in there. And one guy’s like, by the way, the word action is at the end of attraction, right? is in attraction. And I thought that that was pretty cool. But what you’re also talking about too, and I’m hearing you say is like, you kind of had clarity and purpose and an intention. And you got behind it, you believed in yourself and you just aligned to it. Right? You did. And thank you for the recommendation, right? The dorthea brand, you know, um, you know, acted as if it actually as if it was impossible to fail.

David Sandercott 8:21
That’s right. That’s right. It was it was Yeah, it’s such a great book. And so anyways, I mentioned thinking Grow Rich before I read the book thinking grow rich. It told me I could do anything I wanted to do if I believed in myself made a decision to do it and I meditated. So those were the three things I did exactly what you said I made a decision and I think that is where so many people falter that’s where so many people that the decision they make is not to make a decision or decision they make is to make an excuse on why they can’t make the decision when it was I made a clear cut decision that was gonna be the world’s shortest high fashion model. And now I Honest to God could probably get into the Guinness Book of World Records with with everything that I had for doing that you know, that didn’t necessarily mean to me though get in the world Guinness Book of World Records You know, that’s not it was just get something that only a six foot two you know, Blue Steel type model could do you know, and and that was it that’s filled it but I made the decision to do it. So I had to succeed. And then I believed in myself and I followed up with action. So there’s the non action action of the daily meditation and the daily visualization was was equally and probably more important than the other daily actions of going to castings meeting people, you know, always be doing something right. And not doing something for the sake of doing something like modeling jobs, photo shoots, you know, etc, etc.

Brandon Handley 10:00
Sure, I think there’s a lot of sounds to me what you’re talking about is there’s a lot of people that do these actions from this busy stuff. But there’s no there’s nothing behind it, right? There’s no there’s no intent, there’s no alignment. There’s like, Alright, well, I’m supposed to do these things, this thing, this thing, this thing and this thing. But if it’s not aligned to an intention, or purpose or direction, or like this grand vision, I mean, we can call, we call what you had a vision of what you thought was possible for yourself. Right? Like, yeah, I think that I think another thing too, is that people are afraid to have a vision people are afraid to be visionary, because they think it needs to be something greater than it is right? You can, you can have many visions you can write, you can have these visions that these practice visions, we’ll call them. Right. But you know, I think what you’re talking about, too, is the idea of making a decision. Did you pull that out of thinking grow rich? And sub question, Are you a Bob Proctor fan?

David Sandercott 10:59
I did pull it out of thinking Grow Rich, those were the three biggest takeaways make a decision, believe in yourself and meditate that that was the key in all my life that decision making has been key was a huge like Bob. Proctor was really inspiring to me like 15 years ago, I don’t really I mean, walked around thinking Grow Rich, and you know, so he, I haven’t really been cued into them for a long time.

Brandon Handley 11:26
Now, fair enough. And the reason I bring that up, because he brings up the word decision, and the root of the word is like this

David Sandercott 11:32
huge array cut off from thinking grow rich. So once I make the decision, there’s no other option, you know, you have to pick yourself off from all other options.

Brandon Handley 11:46
Well, look, I’m super impressed that you got that out of thinking Grow Rich, like even immediately, because it’s a tough read. And if you’re trying to read that on your own, without some kind of, I don’t know, I want to say guidance, because it’s a tough one to read. Like I certainly. And for me, I never I never pulled meditate out of there. Where did you pull that out? I’m like, I’m like, where’d you pull the rabbit out of the hat, bro.

David Sandercott 12:08
You know, it’s I read it sometimes. And I’m like, and it is in there. And I am convinced that the older of the edition of the book you can get, the better they’ve taken stuff out over the years. There’s this beautiful poem in there. That’s not in the original unabridged version anymore. I don’t know why. And maybe I’m making it up. But it was just as loud and clear to me in that book was you’ve got to meditate if you want to be successful. That’s just what I saw. And I remember asking Mr. Van Asch, who was sort of like a mentor of mine, and I said, Do you meditate? And he’s like, Well, no, but I drive home silently. for like an hour, I do this drive. And that’s sort of like my meditate. So he knew what I was talking about, when we’re talking about the book, you know? And so I don’t know, but I got it out of there. And it is in there. He does say the word meditate, you know,

Brandon Handley 13:01
no doubt, I believe you, man, I believe you. 100%. And then you threw out a couple of words earlier there when we’re talking about easy and effortless, right? The the idea of more meditation, but you talked about like, you know, kind of divine intervention, right? Like, when do you feel like you really flipped the spirituality switch for yourself?

David Sandercott 13:26
Yeah, that’s a great question. So I’ve honestly the effortless way. I said, I’m teaching June 19 is the effortless way. June 19. I’m having a prosper event. But anyways, so again, I the spiritual switch turned on for me. And when I was, Well, honestly, when I was in my teenage, or even preteen years, I remember thinking about wanting to find my higher self like that being my driving force I really wanted, I knew there was something more. And then when I read Think and Grow Rich at that time, that was it, man. I was, I mean, less than a year late after that, I moved to LA. I was meditating an hour a day I was visualizing, but it’s, I mean, it was just as soon as I got sober from like, a four year you know, run of being drunk. 22 I just, I was immediately called the Spirit. And that doesn’t mean I didn’t like break up with it during certain times, or like, neglect it and forget about it. And to some degree, it’s if I had a regret that would be there, Brett I had in my life. When my all of my good friends started moving out to LA, I sort of shifted back kind of into the role that I played more with them instead of just sticking to the celibate, spiritual, and just I was a machine I mean, I was I. Yeah, it happened very early on, and then again, in 2011

Brandon Handley 15:00
So I think that I think that it’s interesting that you kind of found it you recalled toward such a young agent, I don’t I don’t think that I think that somewhere around 20 we get called to that, right? It’s and it’s kind of like, you know, a window of an opportunity, right? And we either heat it then where we don’t, right? For those of us that don’t, myself included, you kind of go about life in this default mode, right? And you just, you’re like, Alright, well, let me go do all these other things everybody else is doing because that’s what looks like I should be doing. And then to me again, and just just based off of personal experience, but the other window of opportunity kind of opens up round, you know, when you get close to 40. Right? There’s like it still here. Still here, if you want to hang out, bro. Right? Like, I mean, and, and, and spiritualities like that. It’s like I listen, I’m hope you had a good time. It’s time to get serious again, right? Remember me like? word Have you been man? It’s been crazy. So I think it’s really cool that you know, you kind of took hold of it. And you talked about the breakups. And the other piece that you’re talking about is when your friends show up. It’s interesting, right? When you go home, you’re like, well, this is who I was when I left. And so people are still expecting me to be that way. And that’s probably what it was when your friends come out to visit you like, you’re like, Oh, this is the Dave they know. Right. Let me like, let me remind you revert back to something that’s acceptable for the people that you know that that kind of what happened?

David Sandercott 16:25
Yeah, I just say it was unconscious, you know, to a to a large degree. But looking back now, yeah, I would say what I really want to express is the way not to fall in that trap is to really have a great deal of love and respect for yourself and recognize how what you’re doing is working. Now, it was a lot of fun to fall back into that role, because my friends were all kind of like rich or had more money than me and at a beach house and hermoza. And I’ve seen we had I still I never drink or you know, but I still have a lot of fun with them. But they were all getting master’s degrees and establishing careers. And I fell back into the guy who was just along for the ride, you know, not realizing that they’re eventually going to get kids and not be able to take care of me get married have kids

Unknown Speaker 17:19
out? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 17:22
I get it, I get it. But what’s interesting, though, too, is that it doesn’t sound like you succumb to their way of living though either by feeling like it. Maybe you did. And like

David Sandercott 17:35
No, I didn’t. I mean, I gave him stuff for Well, a lot of a lot. Not really. But I mean, I’m definitely the guy that people talk to you they don’t want to drink so much.

Brandon Handley 17:45
I mean, not even just the drinking but like the the you know, the workforce, right, going back into the workforce, getting the education and doing you know, kind of doing that what’s the social socially expected norm? Yeah, that’s what your friend said, right? They finished school, got degrees, got married, have kids and fell into fell in line.

David Sandercott 18:06
They absolutely did it. And it worked for them to the degree they’re happy. I’ll say this this is coming up for me is like sometimes I give teachers or education a bad rap. But I had a fifth grade teacher named miss a miss Afro carrion, she was, she was great. The rumor was that during lunch, she smelled doobies in her like 1970s docks, and in the in the dots in the corner of the parking lot. But anyways, at the beginning of class, every single day, we recited the road less traveled by Robert Frost. And I have no doubt that that completely impacted me in such a profound way. Because everything I’ve ever done in my life, was the road less traveled was taken the road less traveled.

Brandon Handley 18:49
That’s awesome. You know, I’m in agreement with you there, right, like, definitely, probably not as kind as I could be to the education system, but they’re certainly the teachers that had a profound impact are the ones that you remember

David Sandercott 19:04
that as MIT right, Mr. Ben, he just retired and I made him a video, you know, someone in and I just let him know that you inspired me to start reading angry reading changed my life, you know, I’m not the stuff they gave you in school.

Brandon Handley 19:23
What do you what do you think the impact of doing something like that is reaching out to a past teacher? Did he reply to you? What, what are your thoughts there?

David Sandercott 19:30
Well, it was sent in like a group thing, like someone put it together. And I don’t know, but I know he saw it. And so I had a rubber band ball that was like this big and he took it away from me. And I had went back like five or six years later, and he still had it. And then I asked someone to ask so at his retirement, he still had the rubber band ball that I gave him. So I know he remembered me. And so I’m sure that he was grateful for that message, you know, is great. You know, I was happy to do it because teachers get, you know, they get pooped on a lot to

Brandon Handley 20:04
it. And it’s the same, um, you know, somewhere, and but, you know, to the idea that some of their for a job and some of their really impact lives and it sounds like you had a few that were there to really impact your life. Yeah, that’s right. And, and I think, you know, I’m gonna segue that into kind of what you’re doing right? You know, you’re you’re right now you’re teaching some of these practices and principles that you’ve been able to find success with in your life. One of those is, I think that you initially kind of did a lot of work in the space by helping others to get their first You know, one grand five grand, and now you’re working to help them get their first 10 grand, and in their, in their own respective faces. Let’s talk a bit about that. What’s your, what’s your about in that space?

David Sandercott 20:49
Yeah. So after I read, Think and Grow Rich for that first time, it was like, I knew that this is what I wanted to do, I didn’t know there was a thing called a coach back then, you know, but I knew that that’s what I want to do, and mentor people and, and I did it as a wrestling coach. And I had, I had athletes come back to me a decade later, say, you know, that thing that you said, or, or, you know, I read thinking Grow Rich, and it really made a big difference in my life, you know, so I got to start doing it back then. And then I was a fitness trainer, because really, that’s something that I was really passionate about sharing. And, and then around mid 2000s 2007 2008, I got into direct sales, which was like building a sales team. And then, you know, network marketing, like you buy something, essentially, and then you teach other people, then you get someone else to buy it and teach them to sell it is essentially how that goes. And that was really where coaching started. And two big things happen there, I helped several people are in their first $1,000 as an entrepreneur, which was extremely rewarding, and maybe even more impactful. It was, I went to New Zealand, essentially, for a long weekend to bungee jump, because it was on my list of things to do, and to see a speaker. And you know, I was gone for five or six days, I came back with $5,000 more in my bank account than when I left, because the sale went through because you know, there was leverage in this business and the system I was in. And so it was like I was on vacation, and I made $5,000. And it was like, That’s it, I’m hooked for the rest of my life. No matter what I have to work, it’s just something they pay the bills until I figure this all out. You know, I was an entrepreneur for life after that. And so that’s where I started. And then again, it took that that business eventually one of the partners joined Scientology, and unfortunately, that whole business went away. And I found myself depressed. I broke my foot in five places I gained 40 pounds. I didn’t I didn’t have the business identity. I didn’t have the bodybuilder identity. I was lost. I literally just wanted to end my life fetal position for weeks.

Brandon Handley 22:56
Yeah, let’s pause on that for a second. Let’s pause on the idea that getting caught up in our identity being what it is that we do.

David Sandercott 23:06
Yeah. Well, that’s a big mistake. I encourage nobody, I always say at the beginning of my medication classes, you are not your job, you are not your socio economic standings. You are not what you do for a living.

Brandon Handley 23:18
So I mean, I guess you’re sitting on the couch or in a fetal position, and you’ve lost your kind of sense of identity is what it sounds like. How did you how did you recover from that?

David Sandercott 23:27
Yeah. Well, so I did two things. You know, I got on my knees I surrendered my life to God, I asked for guidance. And I listened and and that was my all means the number one thing and that’s that that’s what guided me, right. That’s what pulled me. The second thing is equal importance that I stopped being a victim, I stopped blaming the outside world, you know, that was part about it is that I had so many opportunities in my life to be in such a better position than I was. And instead of taking responsibility for it, I was blaming it blaming society and blaming other people. I was like, if you notice, one of the biggest trophies in the world right now is who’s the biggest victim? I assure you that that is not the game you want to play for happiness and success. You know, it was it was taking responsibility for my all of my, you know, mess ups and life situation current circumstances.

Brandon Handley 24:25
Yeah, I mean, that’s huge, right? When you can kind of recognize and I’m just kind of taking a leap here. But you can kind of recognize that all of your success or failure is coming from within, and it has nothing to do with what’s outside of you. And when you do that, there’s so much ownership, right? There’s so much empowerment that comes from that because now you can be like, Oh, yeah, that was me. It wasn’t me over here too. And, you know, these failures were me. But some of these successes, right? So you know, everything you know, is both both sides of the coin. Um, that’s that’s fantastic. So You know, we don’t have a whole lot of time here, unfortunately but what you know you’ve got a course coming up right? What is the course called? What are you going to be teaching? What’s it called?

David Sandercott 25:10
Yet would you 19th is its prosper but prosper prosper virtual event I’ll be teaching prosperity consciousness, helping spiritual entrepreneurs, coaches healer to create the mindset, the prosperity consciousness to have their first $10,000 month the first 10k month.

Brandon Handley 25:28
Nice. Nice. And we’ll share the link to that but the link is what again?

David Sandercott 25:38
Ah. I actually bought a URL just for it. But it’s like David Sandler comm forward slash brought I

Brandon Handley 25:45
think, yeah, well, yeah,

David Sandercott 25:47
that’s right. You can if you go to david Sandler, God calm That’s right. It’s right there.

Brandon Handley 25:51
Yeah, Paul’s Frodo calm? I’ll be sure to share that out. Right. And then, you know, this I told you before, this is kinda like a spiritual speed dating court like, right? And and the deal is, is like, there’s 30 minutes, right? That’s all we’ve got this, you know, somebody’s gonna come on, and they’re gonna decide whether or not they spiritual want to date David J. Sandra. So it’s not a lot of time. And so one of the questions I’ll ask is, is this one of our speed dating questions be? What does? What does it mean to live in the present moment? bachelor number one? Yeah. What

David Sandercott 26:24
does it mean to live in the present moment? Well, it means that if you’re living in the present moment, you’re going to be happy, fulfilled, and at peace, you’re going to be okay, with the way everything is, no matter what you’re going to be living your life consciously. And that’s what we’re here to do is to evolve our consciousness and the best way to evolve your consciousness is to be more conscious. And if you’re living in the moment, you’re being conscious,

Brandon Handley 26:53
elaborate on what you mean by conscious.

David Sandercott 26:56
Well, being conscious of your consciousness, there’s, there’s that which can observe yourself think. And there’s the brain that can think there’s a subject and an object. So keep your attention on that part of yourself that can observe yourself thinking, and really go one step more and observe the observer observing. It’s all a play of consciousness, we is all a field of consciousness and and we are that consciousness. So it’s, it’s coming to know yourself. It’s being conscious of the consciousness, and of as yourself as the consciousness.

Brandon Handley 27:35
Dave took us on a level guys like this to another level. there’s a there’s a great feeling when you become the observer to absolutely yeah,

David Sandercott 27:45
I always go like this. You say, I want to go like, this is where you want to live life from like three feet three feet back, you know, above yourself.

Brandon Handley 27:52
Yeah. Yeah. Well, dude, thank you so much. Again, David, for popping on, always enjoyed the conversation, you both of them. And we’ll be sure to share this out. Is there anything that maybe we didn’t touch on that you want to share out with the audience today?

David Sandercott 28:07
One quick thing, the last question you asked me, I remember the first time we did got me a little bit and it was like, What do you wish for the world? And it was like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 28:15
I didn’t like my answer. I

David Sandercott 28:16
thought about it a little bit and what I would world is the exact same thing that I wished for me, you know, happiness, peace, prosperity and abundance in all areas of your life.

Brandon Handley 28:27
Yeah, yeah. No, that’s, that’s, that’s great. That’s funny. You remember the question? And I think that this is the part where some people get a little confused in the love thy neighbor as thyself kind of thing. Right? This has gotten me I look at it in the very same way, you know, so what you wish upon your neighbor is really what you’re wishing upon yourself. And just in the same token, you just said, hey, what I wish on the world, what I wish upon myself, and when you do that, we look at the universe is kind of this force multiplier. What we put out comes back to us, I mean, right, so yeah, great answer. Thanks. Thanks for thanks for thanks for sharing that. And I definitely appreciate you being on. Yeah, I

David Sandercott 29:09
love it. Thanks for having me, Brandon.

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are, yeah, we’re still driving in the car. Still trying a different headset. And just looking for the right one. So that I again, you know, maybe I just need a Rolls Royce. So that one I’m driving. It’s just no background noise and it’s probably got the best microphone ever. Anyways, I am leaving BJJ you can tell by the sound of the road. The thought that I was having today is we’ve been talking mental health. And I believe that’s super important. Right? That’s something that we always need to be keeping top of mind.

Unknown Speaker 1:04
But we’re also rolling into Pride Month, which, you know, started with I don’t know the history of it, but I know that it’s got a lot of gay pride, LGBT, LGBTQ. And if you haven’t heard this story yet, you know, I like to start my day off going to BJJ and, and getting choked, right? Maybe, maybe not getting choked on purpose. But like, when we’re learning it and then defending against the choke, I mean, the it’s a big part about BJJ is just that, right? And I go when, and it’s something that I’m looking to have happen for me throughout the whole situation, because that is the intent, right? pacify

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opponent, your partner, so that the fight ends is so just right, you don’t really

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not trying to hurt anybody.

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You’re trying to eliminate risk to your own body. And by choking somebody knocking him unconscious, you essentially do that. Now. It’s just because that’s how I like to start my day doesn’t mean that everyone likes to be choked. For

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example,

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I don’t know about you, if you’ve ever been yelling, if you’ve ever been in this situation, then you may already know what it’s like. If you were raised in a family where there may have been domestic abuse you know, so catching your your mother being choked when you’re a youth, right? What do you do? And how can you know, what can you do to prevent that? And, or, you know, what can you do to help him or her out? Right? Like it doesn’t have to be the mother if perhaps you see your father getting choked. And you see somebody in this situation. And for me, I think I was about about 10 years old. I’ve been out side I think was like a spring out in Northern California. up by the Russian River, beautiful vintner company or violence, right? But being up in the Napa Valley, and I had been playing outside and we were living with no, my mom’s boyfriend at the time, and kind of walking inside. And she is there fighting. And immediately your heart starts to raise adrenaline starts pumping you don’t know what the fuck is going on. And she’s, she’s struggling as you know, cowboy cable installer is strangling my mom, this guy’s name is Rex. And I like what’s wrong. And she, she she’s kind of shouts out, you know, go get help. So, like, early in the morning, what’s I don’t know how early I was. But so I run out the door. And I run over to our neighbor’s house. guys name is Brad. This is the 80s and Brad has just frosted, you know, hair and a knock on the door. banging on the door. He jumps out of bed. So I remember him being you know, like naked and having to put clothes on. like Brad said, you know, my mom’s getting strangled.

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And, uh, you know,

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he comes, you know, comes running out, comes running and he gets over to the house and he breaks it up brings up this fight. And the thing is, you know, so if you haven’t already figured it out, you know, we’re in Northern California, straight north of San Francisco by a couple hour, maybe not, maybe not an hour. Not that far, I don’t know. restroom River and the community that we’re living in is predominantly gay. And this is 1986 1987. And you Brad, you put his life out on a limb, so that he could save my my 10 year old. So fairly impressionable, right fairly impressionable to see this person act courageously, regardless of you know, who he slept with, and it always boggled my mind, you know, I think that I had, I call it the luxury of being exposed. I had the luxury of being exposed to that. Growing up, I had the luxury of being exposed to gay people wasn’t, you know, just gays, I still remember. My mom had a friend of hers named Pete PD, and lesbian coming over and staying with us for a while. And other other apartments, same, same area. And, you know, wasn’t even just that I’ll throw in, you know, biracial couples that, you know,

Unknown Speaker 6:41
that

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you saw, and he didn’t think anything of it. So, for me, I had this luxury of seeing this and not thinking any differently about it. Pretty much my entire life. Not to mention again, you know, seeing a store is always going to default back to Hey, I remember, you know, when this gay guy, and again, it doesn’t, it’s kind of annoying to even have to call it out that way. Because, like, aren’t we all just a bunch of people? And if you’re not having sex with me, then I don’t give a shit who you’re having sex with? I mean, it’s that’s kind of how I mean, you know, that’s always kind of been my, my, my thing what, why does it matter? What what happens? Why do people care? Something that again, just always kind of, always boggled my mind. You know, it was always entertaining to go to a gay club, or, you know, a place where it was predominantly gay dudes, and, you know, they, it always made me feel like a woman would feel right. It’s always, always, always kind of interesting, because, guys, when they’re kind of in the heat of the moment, drinking and just not wanting to take no for an answer to just like, kind of, like, don’t stop like that these. We are like these running, you know, deer or, you know, just, it’s like the season. And you’re like, holy shit, I got to get out of here. So I’m always have some sympathy for some women, especially if you put yourself in that situation. And just don’t. It doesn’t matter though. Like, you know, when you do that, it’s like, somebody coming on to you, somebody coming on to you. It’s always it’s never like, Well, you know, sometimes it can be overbearing, it’s rarely not taken as a compliment.

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Right? In my mind, anyways, and again, that could do with how I grew up with what I was exposed to with how I was raised. But as we walk into, you know, Gay Pride Month or Pride Month, I know what it’s called, but I know that I know that it’s coming up. And I know that it’s supposed to, and it does, right, talking to this other gentleman,

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who,

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you know, he came out 30 years ago, which would be

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1980s.

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And to come out then to tell people that you felt the way that you did that you appreciated as a matter of fact, you you prefer the same sex versus the opposite sex made you kind of like an outcast. Right. So for somebody to come out 30 years ago, Ban and even now, I’m sure, I’m sure there’s plenty of pockets, where if you live it’s it’s not going to be socially acceptable. In your immediate circles, and you’re going to be struggling and you’re going to be going through all this shit. Because there are people that just can’t wrap their

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fucking heads

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around the idea that somebody thinks differently than them, that’s really what it boils down to. Right? You say potato, I say potato? Right? Yeah. Somebody else prefers something you don’t. And they, they don’t want to see that. Right? They can’t, they can’t, they can’t, they can’t picture it. And they can’t see that. So because to them.

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It begins this, it begins this kind of chain reaction in their own mind. Right, they can’t unsee it, it’s tough to unsee you know, that happening that scenario, right? Somebody wants to be with the opposite sex you. You kind of played out Arrowhead, you’re like, Well, yeah, maybe

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we’re or

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they’re going to hell,

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whatever, whatever it is, it gets played out, it gets played out. And you, maybe you just can’t, it puts you over an edge that you didn’t even know you had. But you got to stop and think to yourself, you know, for the non, for the for like the non traditionalist for the person who’s, who’s not currently accepting that you got to ask yourself, you know, what is it about that? That is that it triggers you to not be able to accept it. So, you know, again, I gotta add, you know, what if, and I’ll play the scenario out again, what if you walk in on your mother getting choked the brink of of her life. You can’t say you are helpless. And the only thing that you can do is go to get help. And the only person you can find someone who prefers the same sex, someone who thinks completely differently than you, or, you know, somebody who just who thinks in that way doesn’t have to be different. And what are you going to do? Now? You’re not going to accept that help? Is that person any less capable? To save your mother? Right, to save you to play a pivotal role in your life? If you allow it, and if you don’t, don’t give it any thought through what kind of thought goes into that. Like I certainly did not think well, Brad, for us to tip pair, Brad, who’s singing a wake me up before you go go. Is this guy, I don’t think he’s gonna be my mom. I’ve got to go find somebody else. A little less flamboyant, that I thought never crossed. My head never was matter of factly and the first thing it was a matter of who do I know, that’s near that I can trust to come help. That is always shown. kindness. It has never been on untoward. Who can I find? And it was Brad. Obviously, that relationship my mother and Rex ended. And I’ve always got that story for myself. The only sad part about the story is a couple years later, Brad, somebody did think differently. Or a couple of things to think about but quite literally found dead in a ditch a couple of years later, we were no longer near the area. And

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so

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my heart of course, always aches for Who else? Who else’s life plenty of sake, but I was a what was maybe Brad’s purpose was to be there. And that it’s Brad’s purpose was to save lives. Maybe Brad’s purpose was to make such an impact on the people that he was

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around,

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that these stories are could be shared later in life. And right now when you come out, it’s super simple. People do it. In elementary school, and the parents accepted for the people that did it. 30 years ago, it cost them their lives 3040 years ago. So I mean, this is almost 40 years ago, cost him his life. And we get to celebrate, we get to celebrate today. You know, gay pride isn’t? I think, one is, it’s a celebration of who you are. And I think that it’s open to everyone, right where we’re in such as like, inclusive, inclusive era, and that’s beautiful. It should always be that way. Accepting you as you are, who you are, where you are, no matter what you’re doing. As long as like, right, you’re not harming anybody. And celebrating that, that’s love. I love, you know, gay pride month because of that there’s so much kind of energy released. But just like, just like any kind of civil rights movement, there were people that came before us, that helps make it happen. That put their lives on the line, that wrist not being accepted, that risks being ostracized,

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simply

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for who and how they chose to love. So I think that that is the biggest, biggest thing that we can take a look at as we go into Pride Month, we can take a look at those that came before us those who have had an impact on our lives. I mean, if there’s been people, maybe you’ve never looked at it this way, if there’s been people in your life,

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who maybe you shoved away because of their choice of love. I my question would be, how did those people show up in

Unknown Speaker 17:04
your life? Not who did they choose to love? How did those people show up in your life? Did they show up? And a caring, passionate, ready to be there for you moment? And then you learned that they were gay? Well, I guess I can’t. I mean, right does it doesn’t make any sense for that to be the route. And so. Hey,

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thanks, Brad. Thank you for the impact you had on my life.

Unknown Speaker 17:40
And at the same time, I’ll thank my mother for exposing me to that lifestyle. So that there was really never a choice for me. Never had to. I never had to say, Oh, this isn’t right.

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Brandon Handley 0:01
all right. Bye 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a special friend Lindsey. she say she was saved Lindsay

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Brandon Handley 0:15
Because I said, it is very important. It’s very important so that people can pull you out of the crowds of Lindsey Gardner. Right. And so Lindsay is actually, you know, pretty good friend of mags for those of you that know me, you know, then you probably know, Megan’s a good chance you already know, Lindsay. And then, um, you know, so let’s talk about Lindsay and her standing naked in front of strangers blog. I’m just gonna do I’m gonna read Liz gonna read your about me here off of your, your blog posts, and then you can make a decision whether or not you want to keep that going forward. Okay. My entire life, I felt like an outsider feeling like I saw things a little different than most of the people around me. A few years ago, I started to be okay with that, I started to strip off the layers that I’ve been carrying around for the decades and show up a whole lot more authentically, I started writing to free up some space in my brain for forward movement. First out, people liked what I had to say. So I kept reading. I don’t feel super tied to labels of mom, wife, soldier, Yogi, although these are all titles I’ve hold held. But I’m so much more connected to the idea that each of us is on a little trip to figure out our own purpose. And this is a part of mine. And I hope you’ll join me so thanks for being on. And thanks for your thanks for agreeing to be on is this how many podcasts Have you been on?

Lindsey Garner 1:38
Zero? Now one?

Brandon Handley 1:40
Oh, this is this is this is your first Well, you’re welcome. Like I told you, before we got on, you know, it’s it’s a it’s cool to get all in because a you’ve learned it, you don’t go up in flames. Right? Like and you can do it like there’s nothing to it. Other than just kind of showing up and being yourself. So welcome.

Lindsey Garner 2:00
Thanks. That’s my favorite thing to do. So, you know, why not?

Brandon Handley 2:04
For the you’ve listened to a couple of podcasts. And thanks for thanks for being a listener. So you probably know how I open these up right with the idea that that we are word vessels for source. God, whatever, whatever you feel like calling it and you’re on today, because you have a message that is going to reach somebody is yours that can only be delivered through you. Right? What is that message today?

Lindsey Garner 2:34
I actually did like a little meditation before we started just to transition from one part of my life into this. And I think what I kept kind of landing on is like, yeah, I’m not I’m not some, like giant published author had a little piece of like imposter syndrome as far as like, I don’t know, what do I have to say? Right? Um, but it kept then it was like, okay, maybe I say one thing, that one person out there takes and is like, yeah, I’m not alone. I’m not feeling these thoughts or, or living in a space that I am totally on my own. And, and so that’s, that’s how I’m coming into this. And I think there’s something to be said, for living that way. Like maybe you smile at someone, you take a second and you smile at someone, you just don’t know the impact that that has in their day. So the more that we just live in a way that really feels like we’re honoring ourselves, the ripples are pretty big.

Brandon Handley 3:41
Nice, I mean, just kind of just owning who you are. And I hate to say just right, so owning who you are, and that that’s actually very powerful. So owning who you are, and owning that you have the power to change someone’s life with your smile.

Lindsey Garner 3:57
Yeah, you do. Like it’s crazy. You really can I, I work, I manage a retail store that’s like my full time gig a lot. And I’ve learned, I never thought it would be in retail and I actually quite like it. But I’ve learned so much the impact that you can have just on on, like, allowing space for someone to actually show up and not being tanned and like how are you doing today? And then them just saying great. Oh, okay, great. Like it’s this script we run through, you know, but rather actually like stopping and saying, No, like, actually, how are you doing today? And it’s okay to not be okay. And you can say that even to somebody selling a yoga pants like it’s fine. And the cool things that have opened up for me through that. I mean, I can’t count them. It’s phenomenal.

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What’s one

Lindsey Garner 4:55
I think it’s the relinquishment of ego. Yeah, I mean, you never get rid of it right? It’s always there. Well, yeah.

Brandon Handley 5:03
How’s that? So yeah, I mean, how’s that showing up for you? Right? Like, really question of ego through your work at retail. I mean, I guess I would take a step further though, because not everybody that works in retail is able to let go of the script. Right. Not everybody that works in retails okay with relinquishing ego. And I can tell you, I mean, even in years past is working like as a bartender, or, you know, being that customer facing person. And somebody is being an asshole. Like, I am really hesitant to relinquish ego, I’m like, No, you’re being an asshole. Right? You know, so. So walk me through your process of that was clearly before my ascension.

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I’m basically transcended as well. Right? I

Brandon Handley 5:58
mean, that’ll never ever happen again in my life. But the deal is new. So how are you? How are you doing that? Because I think that’s, that’s really the impact of this podcast, right? The impact of this podcast is, yeah, your spiritual. But how are you applying it in your daily life? So that, you know, you’re not? You’re not? I’m physical Lindsey over here. And I’m metaphysical Lindsay over here and understanding like, and together like, you know, you meet in the middle somewhere. So that’s how you meet yourself in the middle.

Lindsey Garner 6:32
Yeah, I think, um, I mean, meditation, meditation is like, changed my whole life. And I can’t pinpoint it to like one style, or one time that I practice, it really is more of an evolving thing. And I can talk more about that. But what it gives me Is this like ability to put a little bubble around myself, right and like, hold in and recognize what’s my emotions? My thoughts my feelings? versus like, what’s Karen from Kansas that comes in my store is pissy we don’t have a size four pair of shorts, like that’s actually has nothing

Brandon Handley 7:14
Kansas should know. First of all. Oh, no. So so it’s funny, though. So you mentioned though, the, the idea of no one set meditation I To me, it would be almost like, Oh, no, your, your, your favorite herbal tea that day? Right. Like, there’s all kinds of like, one day, you’re like, I need I need to calm down. Okay, Karen, meditation, right. And sometimes I need sometimes I need hyped up, you know, Lindsey, sometimes I need, you know, whatever. But it gives sounds like what you’re saying those that gives you the opportunity to go in and create that energetic bubble, right, what you want, who do you want to be in these next few moments? Right, that you get to create that? Is that what you’re saying?

Lindsey Garner 8:03
Answer remember, that, that? We don’t have any idea what that other person’s life looks like? Like, I don’t I have no idea. 99% of the time, I’m gonna guess it has nothing to do with those shorts. Doesn’t it has to do with a lot more, some deep seated stuff, right? And whereas I used to take that on and and, and I mean, I would take these people’s shit home with me. I’m like, What am I doing? Like, why do I care so deeply about someone’s reaction to foster requiring masks in our store or something like that? I am in Florida. So I mean, you know, the week you are out here, it’s like thing, but um, well.

Brandon Handley 8:50
How did you, you know, talk to what’s the process of going from, you know, taking that home every day to learning to let that go. And did that happen overnight? Or did it take you some time?

Lindsey Garner 9:03
No, probably years. Ah, I actually started to because I worked for a company and sells yoga pants. We have a lot of yoga. We do a lot of yoga. It’s how we used to like really market our business. And so I got back it up. I got out of the army. I was in the army for about 12 years. Yeah, the army there was no no real like, like industry down where we moved. My husband got stationed in Florida. This is not where we’ve chosen it came down here. There’s no industry that was related to my background. So I’m like, I tried to stay home. I’m not a stay at home mom. Like I just, I was making my own seasalt I yeah, my husband come home and was like, Hi.

Unknown Speaker 9:46
Hey,

Unknown Speaker 9:47
it’s me. It’s not to me.

Brandon Handley 9:52
I mean, I would like to know how you made your seesaw.

Lindsey Garner 9:58
The Golf Got it. I No kidding. Yeah, that’s serious.

Unknown Speaker 10:05
You can buy it’s pretty cheap. There’s no fun in that.

Brandon Handley 10:08
I’m sure there’s no fun. There’s no fun in that, right? You can buy all kinds of things. But you’re over here you’d like a teaspoon of salt. You’re like,

Lindsey Garner 10:16
six hours. So great. Everybody gets a little grain

Unknown Speaker 10:22
sparingly.

Brandon Handley 10:23
Why are you using all the salt?

Lindsey Garner 10:27
I’m serious. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 10:28
I get it. I get it. I get it. No,

Lindsey Garner 10:30
I just got a part time job at this store. And it turns out I really liked it. The company was really cool. And it got me into yoga. I’d never done yoga. I had never been around it. I always thought it was like this, like, woo Wee thing. Yeah, so I started that and it was mostly a physical practice it and little by little I kind of came to understand. I’m a reader. I’m a learner, I am always I am probably always have like five books by my nightstand and like three audio books and two podcasts going all the time. And I just started reading a little bit more on where yoga really came from, and the true intent of yoga and little by little kind of got out of my physical practice of actual like Asana, moving my body through it, and much more connected to the meditation aspect and the the grounding principles of yoga and the eight limbs. And so I, from there just kind of started learning, all kinds of things about meditation. And we are really fortunate in our area. prudence burns here, because she has that veto song Dear Prudence, to doubt her. So that’s her, she lives here.

Brandon Handley 11:52
I don’t know. I don’t know that I recall the song Come and get a cup of water.

Lindsey Garner 11:55
When it’s actually about when the Beatles were at a yoga retreat in India. And there was a woman who sat in a room and meditated for hours and hours, and they were like, come out, prudence come out. That’s her. And she’s actually one of the leading teachers and she is a Sanskrit translator, translator, interpreter. I

Brandon Handley 12:19
don’t know. She can she can do. She can do Sanskrit.

Lindsey Garner 12:22
Yeah. So she’s here. And I met her and she shared about Transcendental Meditation with me. So I went through that training. And that was really my first go at meditation. I really had never done anything. Do you know

Brandon Handley 12:36
how much I’ve watched? Yeah, a little bit. So how is TM different than some other meditation forms of meditation?

Lindsey Garner 12:44
mantra base to so you’re assigned a mantra, go through the training or sign a mantra, and then it’s 20 minutes twice a day. It’s pretty structured. pretty strict. It’s very structured. And the guidance is like, that’s what you do. And there’s a lot of rules around it worked for me to start, but I’m kind of I’m kind of like an inner inner what, what are,

Brandon Handley 13:06
what are some of those rules? Right, and what was your mantra? Um,

Lindsey Garner 13:10
so everybody has their unique point and I’m super suspicious, so are like super superstitious. And so I am not going to tell you my, my own journey because I am worried.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Are you not allowed to?

Park you down is like a nonconformist.

Lindsey Garner 13:34
Yeah, thank you, um, but it’s like, okay, you meditate 20 minutes twice a day, you don’t want to do it a certain amount of time before bed. You don’t want to ever do it like laying down unless you’re sick. There’s just a lot of it, where I’m like, it just became inaccessible to me. And it became hard for me to consistently practice it. And took some really great things from it. And then from there, just kind of started reading about mindfulness. And then know that a lot of guided meditations are so accessible now. I mean, you can pull up the meditation app, and there’s like, 40 to open them up. And in that for those 42 apps. There’s 1000s. So just started playing around with that. And then I went to I just finished a training but my husband was sick. You know about that. My husband got really sick last year. And throughout the course of that had a lot of really specific. Like, really like a lot of trauma. I hate that word. And I don’t know why I hate that word. But I do a lot of really specific traumas that happened. I saw him

Unknown Speaker 14:50
do it throughout that through that throughout that ordeal.

Lindsey Garner 14:52
Yeah, he almost died a couple times. It was pretty hard and I lost my ability to drop into meditation really quickly. And it got so frustrating to me where I was like, this is a tool that I have that I need more than ever, and I can’t get into it and didn’t know why. And I reached out to a friend and she was like, hey, I’ve actually been doing some studying on trauma based meditation and how like, in times where you are really hyper focused on these events that have created this stir up in your brain, meditation can actually be really damaging if you’re not, you know, guided or led in the right way, or you’re not aware of that trauma. And so I started reading a little bit about that, and and then I just actually went to a training on feta healing, which was awesome, super awesome. But

Brandon Handley 15:49
you owe me like, more links or something on that. And here’s the you know, what’s funny, those right, you know, army 12 years, getting involved with yoga, and then be like, Oh, this is all Whoo, to being. I just finished my data healing. And I’d like to know, I’d also like to know more about the trauma, meditation. Um, because you’re right. When you when you this happened to me, mine was in no way shape, or form, you know, as severe as, you know, kind of what you were going through. But I was going through a space.

Unknown Speaker 16:27
And I couldn’t I

Brandon Handley 16:30
couldn’t I couldn’t get out of it. Right. Yeah. And I know all this stuff. And I’m really, really good at it, right. But there was something just and it wasn’t even big, but it was just enough. Where I was so focused on it, and I couldn’t I couldn’t get the fuck out of my own way.

Lindsey Garner 16:46
Yeah, it turns out that’s like, why happens? You just you get, all you do when you get quiet for meditation is you just replay that?

Unknown Speaker 16:56
Like, oh,

Lindsey Garner 16:58
what am I doing over here? You know, and I don’t know a whole lot about it. But I have just kind of started digging in and reading some books and learning about it. But even just

Unknown Speaker 17:11
just like

Lindsey Garner 17:12
somebody else, again, like somebody else saying, like, hey, it’s okay. Like, dude, forgive yourself.

Brandon Handley 17:20
Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s 100% 100% when somebody else can share the human condition. And lets you know that you’re not alone. And that, I think that that’s something that you do with your, your blog, right? You did two things with your blog that that come to my mind. If you don’t mind, like me shower, like kind of some some quick thoughts on that. Right. Um, one is, I’m a Bob Proctor fan. The dude the dude, like, wise, and you know, I don’t know if there’s some sales gimmicks, and I’m afraid to give them money, but like everything he says, is legit. And, and one of his one of the things that he recommends, or he talks about something that he practices is, whenever he’s got a problem, or whenever he’s going through something, he writes it down on it, he gets it out of his head, and on a piece of paper, out of his head and onto a piece of paper. And then he’ll go through it, he’ll read it. And I’ll ask themselves, did I get it all out? Right? I think it’s, I think it’s a kind of a Karthik thing, where, and at the same time, you can look at it, it’s like talking to somebody almost right. And you and I can talk about the you know, any problems that we’re having. And sometimes when it comes out of your mouth, you like, was not as big as I thought that it was, like that was a pretty big inside my head, it was huge. But once it got out here to this face, I was able to kind of see it in a different light in a different way. So I think that that’s one thing that you do with your blog, right? Sounds like it kind of started from a space where you needed to get the shit out of your head.

Lindsey Garner 18:53
Yeah, I was reading it if I was real.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And so you’re getting readers, and people do like it. And I think that they like it because you’re just being honest, sincere and letting them know and I’m not even trying to lead by example or anything again, just sharing who you are and what you’re going through in, in a non sugar coated kind of way. And yeah, people get to see that

Lindsey Garner 19:21
really hate that sugar coating thing that hate it, I think. Yeah, I don’t know. I really, it’s like my pet peeve when you know, somebody ain’t okay. And they’re like, not, everything’s great. Or like, this is why I’m posting on social media is what I’m sharing with the world. And then Meanwhile, it’s like a dumpster fire and you’re like, maybe if you just share the dumpster fire a little bit. You can have somebody be like, Oh my god, I’m actually in this dumpster too. And I know the way out. It’s

Brandon Handley 19:52
right over here. Yeah, no, that’s Yeah, that’s fair. But let’s let’s let’s play it in reverse because I also know that you’re you’re A big fan of some manifestation and a little bit of LA. Right. So then what happened? You know, how does that work in that space for you? Right? So if I focus on my problem, and I talk more about it, am I attracting more of it? Or am I learning at all? I mean, you know, I mean,

Lindsey Garner 20:17
yeah, I think about that damn, Esther Hicks Get out of my head. You don’t know me? I do. Think about it. Do you think a lot of it comes from the intention in it? Right? I don’t sit in my shed, I write it. And that is that is that catharsis of like, okay, I read it, I give it out. I read it. And then it’s done. I’m not coming back. I’m not not saying it. And I think that’s part of it. And this is like, for every human being out there. There’s something for them to do that allows them to do that. For me. It’s writing, right? You know, for some people it might be running, I don’t know, gross, but to each their own. I can’t imagine feeling better. Mentally. After a long run. I’ve usually I’m like, oh my god. Everything hurts. But

Brandon Handley 21:07
yeah, me.

Lindsey Garner 21:09
Cooking, like cooking can be therapeutic for people you could have great,

Brandon Handley 21:13
yeah. So for me, it took me a while to kind of get around to it and understand it. But when I’m cooking in the kitchen, I’m creating something. That’s an act of creation. And

Unknown Speaker 21:27
it feels wonderful,

Unknown Speaker 21:28
right? And you’re serious,

Brandon Handley 21:30
right? You get to share and then and then if somebody doesn’t need it, or if they use too much seesaw, I get pissed, but

Lindsey Garner 21:36
you made your own.

Brandon Handley 21:38
But but the deal is it’s like and you start to let go of that too. Right? You must see your you know, somebody who’s getting pissed because you know, size for shorts aren’t down. It’s it’s like you’re not doing it, you’re just getting over the reaction to what you’ve done or created. Right? Whereas the process, you know, Meg and I had this conversation not too long ago, she’s like, I hate the process. I was like, well, the process is pretty cool. You just haven’t kind of experienced it yet. Right? You haven’t experienced like this, this this thing where you morphed through the process? Yeah. Right. And then like, because there’s really nothing else you can say to it, other than it’s the process of creation process. So yeah, and when you go through creating something with purpose, and 10, and love, then doesn’t really matter what the outcome is, unless it’s murder. And then there’s then we got to talk, but I can’t you know,

Lindsey Garner 22:35
love course, maybe I don’t know. I feel like she’s watched a documentary about some shows

Brandon Handley 22:40
you seen one or two on them? For sure. For sure. So let’s me let’s talk about what’s your process. Ben. Right, let’s talk about if you were to, if you were to guide somebody through it right now. And I see on your site, just as talk to me, like what somebody can reach out to you for? And you know, what would you guide through somebody through in a process oriented way?

Lindsey Garner 23:02
I’m trying to think I think the last person, or probably the by get the most feedback about is anytime that I talk about my relationship with my body. I don’t want to make a sweeping statement like this is something that women experience differently than men because I think men experience the same sort of, like discomfort in their own skin, or pressures from society or whatever. But this has been a big journey of mine. And I yeah, I mean, growing up. My mom is something special. She did her best. I believe that we don’t have a great relationship now. And a lot of that comes from me becoming a parent. And seeing Oh, wait, woof. That was maybe not an okay thing. I remember she told me I was maybe 30. I mean, I had done some shit in my life. And she said, the proudest I’ve ever been, is when you decided to lose weight when you were a teenager. And I’m like, wow, like, I want to combat had a kid I graduated degrees and have a successful career. And I was like, Whoa, there it is. So it’s just something that was ever present in my life. And that constant need to look a certain way to show up a certain way for everyone else, because I thought that’s what was needed to be and so I get a lot of women after I write about that, specifically, that will reach out and say like, okay, like, What do I do? Like, how did you get there? How did you get to the point where it’s not that I don’t care? I mean, I definitely care what I look like, but I don’t attach so much meaning and expectation to it anymore. I Who was it? It was on your podcast, and they call it a meat suit. Who was that?

Brandon Handley 24:57
That was this funny Christian. It was Yeah, he’s He’s really good.

Lindsey Garner 25:04
I really do like, as I’ve learned to meditate, and as I’ve learned to get a connection with the divine through meditation, I realized like, this is not it.

Brandon Handley 25:14
This is funny. I would, I would love to say that this is a smaller part of who we are.

Unknown Speaker 25:24
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:24
that’s right. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, I mean, if we infant festival, right, especially if we consider ourselves, I don’t know, in connection to the universe, right? Or as the universe, depending on how you kind of want to want to go about it. You know, yeah, Krishna said that, you know, other people that have said that plenty of times as neville goddard talks about being in the meatsuit Alan Watts will talk about being meatsuit. It’s not. He says, It is funny, but it’s, it’s true. Right? These are just, this is just something that we’re wearing right now. Right? Yeah. So

Lindsey Garner 26:00
beautiful. Like what is attractive to, like other people like what is attracted to me a guy that I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m super attracted that guy. Another person is like, what? Right? So subjective, that I think like, it comes from meditation. And I always comes back to that that like, because I started there. And then I realized, Oh, wait, actually, I’m this ball of light. And I’m connected to the divine all the time. And like, I don’t want to talk shit about the divine right? Why am I talking shit about myself?

Unknown Speaker 26:35
all the time? Yeah.

Lindsey Garner 26:37
And then I just became like, I didn’t want to have small talk anymore. And I noticed this, so many women around me, the majority of the conversations were grounded around what their kids were doing with their husbands are doing in their bodies.

Brandon Handley 26:52
Would you say that? That’s just because they’re, they’re afraid of who they really are? Yeah. How would you help somebody get through that?

Lindsey Garner 27:03
Yeah. I, um,

Brandon Handley 27:08
I mean, like, right, right. Like, I mean, so it will even flip back to you. So you think that you’re divine? Right. And you’re connected to the divine? Yes, you so somebody else said they are divine, and they’re connected to the divine, and they still have some larger conversations.

Lindsey Garner 27:24
Well, I have them unabashedly. And what I have noticed is that when I have them, that is uncomfortable at first. And then it becomes an okay thing. I mean, I do this and I do this. At my store, I have about 30 people that work for me and they love hate me. Because I make these conversations a thing. Like if I come into the break room, and we’re talking about trying to lose weight, so our size look less fat, I like awkwardly change the topic to What are you reading? What’s a book you’re reading? Let’s talk about it? Or do you want to hear about what I manifested last year, like I unabashedly just, I just think we’re playing small, and I will call people out on it. And I think sometimes it’s just that destruction that’s needed. And then it’s like, again, it’s like a ripple effect. I do it. And I see other people do it, little by little, and that’s, like, greatest success of my whole life is when I come in, and we’re talking about big things.

Brandon Handley 28:24
That’s great, right? Because then you can see that you’re having some influence, right? Or, you know, you’re manifesting that right? for yourself, right? Like, like, you know, so you’re able to kind of see this future state where you walk into an office and a break room, and everybody’s talking about cool shit instead of chubby thighs. Right? I mean, you know, just to kind of lay it out there like that. So, it’s what makes it so easy for you to, to, to, you know, feel like you’re living this kind of greater life and to be able to look at somebody else and say that, hey, you could be living a greater life or, you know, stop playing small. Right? And I bring that up, because I recall being It was a few years ago, I was in a dad, dad bloggers convention, because that was my space at the time. But I was asking these guys is like, you know, what’s the feel like for you to step into your greatness and I meant it, right? Like, yeah, and they shied away from accepting anything that looked like greatness and kind of hurt my heart. Yeah, it’s like, Wow, man, like you’re a great person, and like, you’re doing something awesome. But you don’t even see it for yourself. Right. So how do you how do you know how do you step into your greatness and how you help and other stuff There’s

Lindsey Garner 30:02
number one like expectations, you gotta let them ships go, which I say is like, it’s so easy. I would say this, like, I basically have mastered this. No, I totally not that just so you know. But I have learned so much around really pushing expectations, not not just at work in my life in my marriage, like, so much. Just because I want an outcome from someone or I see something in someone, I don’t have an ability to impact their path. I don’t touch it, and on my you know, like a marble, your marble hits, and then it goes another direction or pool ball or whatever. But who am I to know what their journey looks like? And how many awesome things could come from them effing things up. And I mean, that’s part of it. You know, my last year of my life has been really, truly transformative. My husband and I have been through a shit ton. And I have watched him really come into his own. And he was on the phone. He had surgery yesterday, he had one more heart surgery yesterday. And he couldn’t be on our marriage. Can we have marriage counseling every week? It’s like, we don’t miss it. Even if we feel really good. We’re like, Nope, still doing it. And I was sitting in my marriage counseling, and my counselor and I were talking and I was saying how, how hard it is to be a caregiver for someone for this long. And I was like, man, there’s things about my husband, that I really miss, you know, from a year ago, like, physically that he could do, or just like experiences we could have when he is truly healthy. And he was like, but what’s come of it. And I thought I thought about it, I was like, this person that’s here, now is so, so much more grounded in like, what’s truly important. He’s learning about the things that we’re talking about it now. And like, we’re able to have actual real conversation where we show up as ourselves instead of this, like surface shit. And I’m like, you know what, actually, right? Like, that’s what matters, not the, you know, he does assess, take naps, like that’s really he’s in the hospital for a year, you don’t come out of that in three months. So it’s cool. I didn’t deal with that. Because there’s all this and we had to go through all that shit. For that to happen, he probably wouldn’t have if he if he hadn’t almost died as many times as he did, or we hadn’t had any of the issues that we had, we wouldn’t be here. And so that has given me the perspective to know that like, hey, Karen, I see you, we don’t have your shorts. I’m sorry, that is pissed you off. I was just gonna be kind to you anyway, maybe it impacts you. Maybe it doesn’t.

Brandon Handley 32:58
Because it goes to the whole idea of you know, treating others as you know, we can love thy neighbor isn’t love thy neighbor, them, you know, you love the neighbor as yourself. Because, you know, in essence, and at least in our conversation in our world, they are. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you’re not getting it. And I say this so that, you know, for the person out there that is struggling to deal with the people that are paying their ass or whatever, with a couple things, right? I mean, however that person is, that’s kind of a reflection of who we are. Right? And then the idea of you get what you give, so no, kill them with kindness, right? And maybe, maybe take that person out of the equation and put yourself in an equation, right? Like, you know what, I’m just gonna, you’re me. I love you. Yeah, you know, I

Lindsey Garner 33:55
mean, oh, I just had a thought that. Okay, I don’t share this a lot. So I’m going to share it and this is what I do. So my husband cheated on me. We had infidelity in our relationship. And here it is, like, this girl that he cheated on me this was a manifestation of every single insecurity that I had. She was the complete opposite of me. And in my deepest shit, it made me super insecure and like I’m not good enough. I’m, I don’t look a certain way. I don’t add a lot on Instagram posting selfies. It’s just not who I am. no judgement, live your life, but it’s not. And I was like, Oh my God, is this what he wants? And then I I mean, it clicked for me one day and I was like, holy shit. She is everything that I am holding on to as my own insecurity and I put that shit in my path. And I’m not you know, I’m not here to say that. There’s not any like, Oh, it was me that I did that. No, I

Unknown Speaker 35:00
mean, but but I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:02
so you’re taking ownership of it and one way or another, right. And, and it was really interesting. I saw jack Canfield, you know, Chicken Soup for the Soul guy. He said, just just for a moment, if you can own 100% of it, by all of it, then own it, right. But if you just own 99% of it, then there’s a problem, right? But here, and what you’ve done is you’ve said, you know, you’re looking at this other person, those are all the vibes that you were sending out, you were like, creating this thing yourself. And you focused on it long enough with enough emotion with enough intensity to you know, kind of create your own bullshit. Gollum, whatever her name was.

Lindsey Garner 35:52
100% Yeah. Right. And, and, and crazy, like, exactly it in my head.

Brandon Handley 36:00
Right. And and, and the thing is, there’s a lot of power in that then no, so Okay. dial in the wrong fucking thing. So now, now you’re like, Alright, well, you know, here’s what I would change about that going forward. Right? And and, you know, you mentioned Esther Hicks. Right. So you’re an abraham hicks fan?

Unknown Speaker 36:23
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 36:25
The her whole principle is like, you know, the relationships that you’ve had in the past, right? The idea that I don’t want somebody this moves, I don’t want somebody does this. I don’t want somebody does that, and yada, yada, and all sudden that person shows up. Right? Right. It was funny, because a meg and I had dinner last week, we were talking about the relationships that my mom had, as I was growing up, you know, her, my dad was abusive, right? And so she got us out of that before me and before it ever earned for me. But almost every guy that I recall, her being in a relationship later in life with was abusive. So just makes me think, and I’m sure that, you know, she tunes into this one that she probably say no, but and I don’t know, but like, you know, the whole idea of, I don’t want somebody that abuses me, I don’t want somebody to treat me like this. I don’t want somebody treats me. And instead of instead of saying, This is what I do want. And and I always, you know, I have Meg do it at dinner. I was like, you know, do you pull out your Google phone, you know, pull up Google put in there, type in no red balloons, right? What’s gonna come up black and red balloons everywhere? I mean, it because, you know, so our minds operate in the same way. So I mean, you know, which is something you’re familiar with. One of the things that you did, though, throughout, you know, kind of this whole ordeal with your husband being this way, you you manifest some pretty crazy shit. Right? Let’s talk about that. Like, let’s talk about how you, you know, you focused on what you mean, Tell, tell us how you manifested that stuff. And you did it and kind of squirt water and some pretty cool things to talk about.

Lindsey Garner 38:06
He? Well, so we’re both veterans, and he’s 100% disabled. So most of his health care goes to the VA. When he first got sick, that was what we were doing. We were going through the VA and the VA denied him care, he kept getting sicker, kept getting sicker, they couldn’t really figure it out. And we had to just kind of start and think, Okay, you know what, we got to go somewhere else like this isn’t gonna work. And so I recently did the The first thing anybody says with me, it’s like all call your congressman call your congressman. So we did all that, right. We’re like, Okay, here we go. Like, let’s do this. I don’t know anything about politics. But let me get started. I’m not very political. Um, so went that route, and I was on a walk one day, all my, all my best shit comes in, I’m walking that damn feral dog. And I love my dog, but he’s a mess. So we take a lot of walks, because he needs a lot. And we’re walking. And I was like, there has to be a place where he can get everything that he needs, mental, spiritual, physical. All of this, like it’s got to be a place. And that for me, I’m, I am a big believer in feeling how things feel in your body. And I do feel like that sounds right. There it is. And so instead of going to the VA, my first thing is I call my sister, my sister’s a doctor, and I’m like, maybe, you know, is this a thing like and she started giving me a couple places I could look and I just kept meditating on that. I was like, we’re gonna find a place that is going to be all encompassing, is going to follow him through to the end because the VA said, No, you we’re gonna send you to a nursing home. And my sister was like, he will die in that nursing home. He will not go out. It and during COVID he would have gone by himself, I wouldn’t have been able to be there.

Unknown Speaker 40:06
Yeah, and sure enough,

Lindsey Garner 40:08
people reached out for Mass General and said, Hey, we can take him on not only can we take him on, we can pay for pay for what the insurance doesn’t cover. And I was like, What? And then a friend of his created a GoFundMe, and it blew up and gave us enough to cover my travel costs to go back and forth and to pay for me to take time off work to be there. And I mean, I,

Brandon Handley 40:32
I want to I want to throw out there too, like, I mean, you also have a family and it’s not just you and your husband. Like, I think

Unknown Speaker 40:39
a teenage daughter

Brandon Handley 40:41
right so so you know, you got all that going on. And and it’s enough to you talked about, you know, being being a caregiver for this long period of time, and I chuckled to myself is like you know, for better for worse, but like, I mean, for like a half hour or a day maybe right? But you’ve got this you’ve got this whole year going on. And what I’m hearing yourself say those like you know, when you’re when you’re walking into golf is walks you you’re kind of tossing these questions to the universe, like you know, what we’re, you know, you know, feel and then you talk about feeling it and and one thing that I think is a male and and the United States Anyways, we’re taught not to feel a whole lot, right. But you know, dawns on me really like feeling really is you know, your thoughts and emotions, you know, your head and your heart coming together as one and doing kind of like a purposeful way. And sounds to me like you were feeling your way forward in a way that felt best. I hate to say like, follow your bliss, or when I say I’ll say follow your hunches. Are you familiar with Florence? scovel Shinn, huh? Yes, this is my jam, right? But you know, hunches or your house or heaven or something like that, again, it’s one of her things, right? So you’re following your hunches and you’re focused on the possible and then this just started happening?

Lindsey Garner 42:01
Yeah, it does. And my marriage counselor, anytime there was like a hiccup in our marriage, he’s like, Oh, there you go. You’re fast. manifester. What we think you out and I’m like, yeah, damn it. Yeah, that’s true. Um, yeah. And I don’t know like, you can say like, I could see right now like, I want to be a NASA or at NASA thing that thing anymore. I want to be an astronaut. That sounds really cool. Doesn’t land for me. It doesn’t I don’t get excited about it. I feel that and if I say on the other hand, like, I want to live in campgrounds one day because I love campground people. I love the lack of boundaries that exists in campgrounds.

Brandon Handley 42:48
nightmare.

Lindsey Garner 42:52
We’ve talked about it. I’m like, no, it’s great. Everybody like comes over eats your dinner. You they come into your house. They’re like, Can I see your camper? And you’re like, yeah, oh, yeah, you

Brandon Handley 43:02
get rid of the airstream. I’m so jealous.

Lindsey Garner 43:05
though nobody bought for keeping it. And me and Zach in RV can

Unknown Speaker 43:09
rent them out, by the way, right? You can rent them right?

Lindsey Garner 43:12
Well, I just don’t have time to manage it. I like

Brandon Handley 43:15
I’ll send you a link later. But you don’t have to do the management this kind of like an Airbnb forum.

Unknown Speaker 43:21
Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 43:23
Great. Anyways, I

Lindsey Garner 43:24
mean, we’re gonna keep it for our road trip this summer. So Lisa, my 15 year old daughter and two dogs are taking this little Airstream. We’re going,

Brandon Handley 43:33
Yeah, I love it. So standing naked in front of strangers, your blog, people should be going and checking it out. They’re going to find more of kind of what we’re talking about here. I’m going to ask you a couple of questions. And it’s going to be kind of like, we’re speed dating, right? We’re seriously right now. And woo Wayne. So why are so many people depressed?

Lindsey Garner 44:00
Don’t think they’re connected to who they are? think they’re connected what they think everyone wants them to be? feel like they’re faking it a lot faking It’s exhausting.

Brandon Handley 44:12
When you stay connected to who you are, like, what does that mean to you?

Lindsey Garner 44:18
Things showing up as what you think others expect of you instead of in a way that honors like why you know, you’ve been put here everyone has a purpose Everyone has their own path and like the more that we get connected to that and show up in that way.

Brandon Handley 44:37
So you would you would tell somebody to kind of try and fight figure out what the purpose is to start lean into it and that would lead them to kind of who they are.

Lindsey Garner 44:44
Yeah, and that doesn’t mean this like giant sexy thing. Like for me, I freakin love running a retail store, right? I used to think it needed to be this like, huge thing. I really get joy out of selling yoga pants. I love it.

Brandon Handley 44:56
And that’s awesome, right? And I think that that can be And it’s been tough for me to find that so tough for me to find that right? If I’m not doing if I’m not doing something a little heavier, right? Because if if, you know, going back to, if I feel like I’m in a room with people talking about stubby thighs, I don’t feel like I’m living my best life. Right? And so so like, how do you how do you get out of that? And there’s it sounds to me, like you found ways to focus on what you’re bringing into your life and to these people through the work that you do. That is driving your purpose and satisfaction, and it doesn’t have to be doesn’t have to be your shelter changing the world, right? So someone’s world,

Lindsey Garner 45:40
yeah, in my own little universe. And I think that that’s the way that’s the most accessible to everyone like it. I think sometimes, this idea of like our purpose, we make it this big thing. And then it seems so far that we don’t even take a step towards it. But like, if I can come into my store, say something kind to someone, they all say all of a sudden feel more comfortable in their skin, or they then repeat that that’s change, and you’ve made it in your own little microcosm, right.

Brandon Handley 46:08
But it’s also micro, right, you go back to the idea of stepping into your greatness. And sometimes that’s like, 1000 baby steps to get there. Yes, right. So these small, you’re right, like if we try to put this overarching sense of purpose, where it’s like this huge fuckin vision, right? Like, you know. And instead we say, you know, I think it’s okay to say that. This is my purpose for right now. Yeah. Are people out there? There are people out there who believe your purpose doesn’t change. Right. Um, but I think that there are instances of you know, about this purpose revision.

Lindsey Garner 46:52
I can tell you right now, 19 year old Lindsey that I don’t know what my Yeah, I don’t think it was the same. Right? Right. Talk about it.

Brandon Handley 47:01
Let’s let’s do you know, I love the idea that you you feel like you can connect with the divine at will that you are divine. That to me, would indicate that you’ve got an idea on kind of what heaven is and how to get there.

Lindsey Garner 47:18
afraid of death anymore, either, which is cool. Like I live recklessly, but I’m not afraid of death anymore. Because I just don’t view it. Like, I have a different relationship with planes of existence in time, you know that. I just don’t do it the same. Also meditation can we just all get the shit out of our head that you need to be sitting on a pillow with like, incense burning, and essential oils and mala, like, my best meditations in my car. I’m on lunch break.

Brandon Handley 47:49
I’m so glad to say I was doing it yesterday, like in the car. Like I was, like, you know what, and it was very comfortable. I had like my own jams going. Also sound therapy because like, I can turn that off. I can turn the volume up and says like, I can set like theta waves in the car, right? And I’m sitting in a theta situation. So yeah, what is heaven right to you, and how would you get there?

Lindsey Garner 48:15
I think it’s actually like, getting into a place. Where, okay, I’m going to describe this because my husband, I talk about this all the time. So we have two dogs. We have three dogs, but with an English bulldog. She’s 11 she’s kind of an asshole. She’s grumpy. She bites people. Then we have Bojangles He’s my dog. And he lives his life. Just like so fully. He’s so excited to see you. He is so curious and just in joy all the time. And I feel like shorty, that’s the grumpy asshole. She’s on her like, first life Bojangles be like on his 77th he’s had time to be like, Oh, don’t do that. Now, okay. And you learn and you learn and you learn and I honestly, I think that it’s it’s an ability to have what we would consider to be like, a life. That is that where you’re like, man, I am in this and I am Yeah, there’s hard things but like it’s okay. And you move through it. I really I think it’s more than that. And I don’t really think we have a concept of it. I think there’s a way I could describe it. But I think it’s like an ultimate sense of peace enjoy.

Brandon Handley 49:33
Yeah, I mean, so it sounds to me that you’re kind of living your life as it is and finding those moments of connection. Yeah, would be to you a little bit like having and yeah, are you are you saying then that new could have heaven here on earth and not like Belinda Carlisle song but slightly different.

Lindsey Garner 49:58
Oh, way to go. Good work, Belinda Carlisle. Yeah, I do think that, uh, now I want to sing it, but I don’t want that I don’t want that immortalized in the podcast. My teenage daughter would be like, what are you doing? I am mortified. Although right.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Now, that’s perfect. And I agree, I think that, um, I think that it is, and I think that it hasn’t closed. But I think that, you know, kind of, the more that you meditate, the more that you focus on it, the more that you make that your intent and your purpose to find in your life, you know, by pop in, you know, heavens, in my Google search engine, it’s a good chance that we’ll find it right, at least I can dig, I don’t know how many, how many O’s I’m gonna have to go through to find the one that I like. But, you know, if we put that into our search engines, then we have an opportunity to find it. So, so grateful, again, for you for free to pop on. I’ve enjoyed getting to know you a little bit more. Enjoy, you know, thank you for the conversations that we get to have online and thanks for the conversations that you have with with Meg, I know that you get to act as a as a translator, for what I’m saying. It’s true, because once he gets to translate what it is I’m saying the mag normal language. And it’s a challenge, right? Because I’m so immersed in it right and and, you know, as the idea of you become what you eat, right? And if all you’re taking in is this content, that’s all I can come out. And we get to I get to a point and I know that I’m not the best with it, but I sometimes I do forget, you know where I came from like this is I’ve always been connected to source.

Unknown Speaker 51:53
No.

Brandon Handley 51:55
No. The other day when you’re being asshole you weren’t connected? You’re totally not.

Lindsey Garner 52:00
Yeah, I really honest part of why I write is because I am terrible at communicating my husband. And if you got it helps a lot. He’s like,

Brandon Handley 52:09
I mean, that’s why we have 90% of our conversations on Facebook, right? Like, that’s where we catch up. She’ll come in and she’ll come in and let me know something’s going on. But yeah, I read that, like, two hours ago, we’re all caught up like, I’m on your feed from but so so again, very grateful for you coming on today. I’m glad that we got the chance to have this conversation. Where should I send people to go hang out with you? which defines

Lindsey Garner 52:33
Yeah, go read my blog. I think that’s a good way and then yeah, I mean, it’s it’s a it’s a baby blog, because they do it very much on the side and I would love one day to make that thing that is bigger and then I can do on a larger scale. So yeah, go and tell me what you want me to say and start a conversation I hate small talk. So yeah, just like drop some really awkward awesome deep shit in there my best day

Brandon Handley 53:00
when somebody so you’ve also got the chat function there, you know, outside of some deep shifts that you want some people to drop their what you know, what are some other things that somebody might feel reach out to you for?

Lindsey Garner 53:15
Anything that I read connects you in? You’re like, man, how did you do that? I’m not here to tell you like this was easy. It took me like 10 years to figure this shit out. But I can be a partner and a sounding board and nothing annoys me more than an advice giver. So I will not give you advice but there is face always face to just be where you are. And then maybe sometimes like a gentle nudge, be like okay, you’ve been where you are a little too long time. Let’s do this.

Unknown Speaker 53:41
Like right after you get the fuck out.

Lindsey Garner 53:43
Yeah, sir. I know a way.

Unknown Speaker 53:47
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, thank

Unknown Speaker 53:51
you.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever pondered upon the fact that god exists everywhere, even inside you? Do you feel that you’re capable of manifesting things for your own happiness? You’re doing your daily duties but there is always a greater calling? People like to live in disbelief and not gain the consciousness they can and agree to live the same monotonous life. But you realise you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater satisfaction?

Here’s the hard truth: you are so much more than you believe you are.

In this episode, we are joined by Sarah R Adams where she talks about his experience with the supernatural, energy and gaining consciousness.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways you can bring up your energy and gain consciousness. 
  2. Discover the importance of the supernatural and realize how the divine is inside you.
  3. Learn the significance of practicing consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Sarah talks about how it wasn’t easy to bring her knowledge to the public eye and how it was a learning process to handle it.
  • She talks about how life is hard for many people and humanity on a lot of levels and how she helps them tap into their inner self. 
  • She talks about her working experience and her journey with Gaia.
  • She mentions her experience with the death of a close one and her working experience with the Vice. 

[07:30] The Feeling 

  • Sarah talks about how she can feel the pain and suffering of other people even though they are across the world.
  • Whether we know it or not, we can always feel a person’s suffering. 
  • People need to realise that they are more than just a physical body but rather energy.
  • People need to go out and bring out the cosmic energy.

[12:36] Interacting with Mythical Beings

  • Sarah discusses how she interacts with mythical creatures just like any other human beings.
  • To interact with these beings, you have to bring your consciousness and energy up.

[15:56] Reconnecting

  • After bringing in the energy, you have to master it. 
  • People don’t know how to clear their energy and are stuck in a web.
  • To access the energy, you must acknowledge it first.
  • If you are a mess on the inside, you are a mess on the outside.

[22:10] Instructing Energy

  • Mastery can be achieved by everyone.
  • Being on the earth, is a gift given to us.
  • You need to go in and clear your energy field and create a new space for yourself.

[25:22] Books and Religion

  • Sarah talks about how she loves books.
  • The true word of god is within us and that is how we can access him.
  • Religion causes havoc and puts the wrong idea in people’s heads.
  • Everyone puts lies and the truth together to make it believable and magnetic as in the Bible.
  • Sarah talks about the matrix and the different systems explaining energy level and functioning of creatures.

[38:55] The Divine

  • We must all work together to heal the world. God is energy that flows through us.
  • We are all a part of a beautiful divine puzzle. 
  • People need to find their issues from their inner self.
  • Religion keeps people from healing. 
  • Once a person realises his powers, he is more powerful than the angels.

[44:56] God

  • If god were here, he would not put anyone above anyone else.
  • Some people are really accepting of their powers while others go on questioning their existence. 
  • Sarah talks about her reincarnations and her bodies from the different times. 

About Sarah R Adams

Sarah has experienced many things from seeing abductions to seeing angels who aided her. Her awakened consciousness increased as she got older. She experienced the supernatural and past lives in Egypt & Atlantis. telepathy, weather abnormalities, feeling others emotions, remote viewing, quantum leaping, and time travel are among the other alternate realities Sarah has endured. “I’ve healed so much and believe every day is a healing journey to greater heights”.

Sarah works with many clients around the world in what she calls “Intuitive Healing”. This includes using homeopathy herbs, supplements, diet super foods, detoxing, energy work, essential oils, visualization, mediation, subtle energy work, cellular work, all to heighten the frequency of the temple and precious bodies we have been given. She has made TV appearances on Gaia TV including Beyond Belief, Buzzsaw and Ancient Civilizations as well as Coast to Coast AM, Vice TV, The Bases Project, co-hosting the Divine Truth Show on Revolution Radio and many others.

Sarah Adams continues to be a major force in the world of enlightenment while healing many around the world.

Connect with Sarah at https://www.sarahradams.com/ or on instagram @divinehathor1985

Enjoy this Podcast?

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, cool 54321 Hey there spiritual dope we are on today with Sarah R. Adams Sarah has experienced many things from seeing abductions to seeing angels who aided her. Her waking consciousness increased as she got older, she experienced the supernatural and past lives in Egypt and Atlantis, telepathy, weather abnormalities, feeling others emotions, remote viewing, quantum leaping, and time travel are among the other Ultimate Reality sir has endured. I’ve healed so much and believe that every day’s healing journey to great heights real quick in there. I mean, it’s just in the intro, sir. endured so much, right? I mean, entered all these different all these different phases, phases and places is that kind of what you’re saying there that you’ve entered.

Sarah R Adams 1:00
So it’s been a long journey. And, you know, thank you for bringing that up. Because this morning, I was pondering on that, during my meditation, you know, it wasn’t so easy to bring all the knowledge and all the things that I experienced to the public eye, because there’s still a lot of close off people out there. So it was definitely a learning process for me of how to handle that and how to cope with it. So that was definitely hard. At one point, I almost stopped doing this work. And I’m very blessed that I had some major supporters in this field that reached out to me to encourage me to continue the work that I do. So yeah, that was that was definitely hard. And then, of course, you know, I’ve come to a plan, I’ve been putting it on a planet, where it’s, life is hard for a lot of people and I’m able to tap into their feelings, their emotions, their hardships, that suppression that’s going on on this planet. So that also was very tough journey for me to just, you know, be able to just be able to, to process that because it was really intense to experience all of those things. But on the bright side, I, you know, I’m able to really help out humanity on a lot of levels. And I’ve helped out 1000s of people all around the world, of course, I’m doing a lot of work to help out the planet. So in the end, there’s, there’s the light at the end of the tunnel less or shit,

Brandon Handley 2:32
not for sure. And you’re talking about, you know, the beginning of your journey, or at least, you know, prior to where you are now. And, you know, as I hit in dirt first one of the things that I noticed on your bio, too, is that, you know, you’ve made two appearances on Gaia. TV, beyond belief you’ve done with coast to coast, Vice TV and saw these other faces. So, you know, continuing to move forward for yourself, you were able to and I feel like you know, at least this country and maybe the world is opening up to this space in place, right? Or somebody like yourself that’s got these talents and gifts to share, right?

Sarah R Adams 3:15
And it is you know, so I decided to work for Gaia. I had, I had a an experience in England, that was very tough at the time, I lost somebody that I deeply loved. And we were doing a lot of work in this field. I kind of just, you know, stayed in England in a small seaside town, with family with extended family members and I decided to stay there and kind of step out of the public eye. And then I got this call from Gaia and Gaia. They when the producer spent like four hours telling me you know, we’re really professional here, we’re going to be very good to you. We we love your work. We have a lot of faith in you. We want to support you can you fly over to the United States and come and do some work with us. And of course, Netflix reached out to me at the same time for two other shows. And I ended up deciding not to work for Netflix and Gaia because that was initially what my read was to choose Gaia because I believe they’re doing good work for the for the world because they are given the experiences of blessed intuitive healers out there and have awakened people out there to a larger platform and a lot of people are open to Gaia and it is for me it’s amazing because it was hard before you know you do your YouTube accounts, you do your interviews, your live feeds, but then Gaia really is at a level where that’s becoming more mainstream and they’ve done a lot of work to get us out there and I’m so thankful for that I’m so blessed for that. And for the just for them giving me a platform so I could get the information that I have out there. Because for me that information is vital. And I checked a lot of information on self healing on healing others on healing the planet. And these are this is information humanity needs right now. So I am deeply grateful for that.

Brandon Handley 5:22
Yeah, no, that’s, that’s awesome. Right. God is a great platform. I think it’s interesting that, you know, you chose that over Netflix. But you know, my instinct would also, you know, say that, you know, that’s the platform that was right for you, right. I mean, it’s a kind of, like a forest bias kind of situation, right? With Gaia.

Sarah R Adams 5:45
I’m tremendously thankful to device because we did film this whole show. Of course, at the time, I wasn’t doing very well, I was trying to cope with a with a person who is close to me, like I said, that passed away, it was in mainstream news, it was very hard for me to deal with, because I feel the energies of everyone. And I’m Vice came over I did a charity event in England, for children who have cancer, they came in helped me out with it. They stayed with me a little bit, and were so supportive. And, you know, then they decided to air the show eventually. And they were so sweet. They got on radio shows, and were so supportive of me, they eventually decided to the show, like a day before, I was like, I don’t think I could do this, right? Like, you know, I just don’t think that I can be out there more. I feel like I have to be in the public eye. They were so nice. They completely just got rid of the show never aired it. So I have a lot of respect for advice to

Brandon Handley 6:43
the school. Let’s say that they respected your wishes in that way. Yeah. So I love to start this off with this is not on, you know, usually I do a quick intro and to jump right into this question. So this is a, you know, we’re here, right? You and I are connecting here for this moment, this time, space in place, to let source speak through us to somebody who’s going to listen to the podcasts, or maybe watch the video at some point. And they’re tuning in to get a message that only you can deliver right now. So what is that message at this point in time.

Sarah R Adams 7:17
So, you know, for me, looking around, and even feeling what I feel from the planet and from the masses out there. And this is why I do the work that I do because I know of course I hear about homelessness and see homelessness and hear about abuse going on, I see it. But I feel it because I’m in God consciousness, I can feel what’s happening across the world, the pain and suffering. So this is why I’m so passionate about helping out humanity. This all needs to shift and change. And we need to understand that whether we know it or not, we’re feeling that person’s suffering across the world. We’re feeling the the energy of that person suffering, we’re feeling their emotions, we’re feeling everything, even though many are not aware of this. And so for me, awareness is really important right now, people need to become aware that they are more than this physical body is that they are energy and energy is what is what we’re basically everything is made up even solid objects, like the chair I’m sitting on, it’s just condensed energy that creates solid objects. So when energy is condensed, it creates solid object. So for me, people need to become reconnected. And once they become reconnected to the energy field within them, which is their soul, their spirit, there’s many names for it, then they could channel that energy, they could channel that energy to heal their organs, heal their physical bodies, and heal those around them and also heal the planet because the planet bunches on on energy, our bodies function on energy, we have a problem right now, this plant is depleted in energy, people are depleted energy, you know, and there’s, of course, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of info in the awakened community, about DNA and how you fly up your DNA how you should, you know, charge your chakra system your aura. But what people really need to understand is that they need to actually go out and do these things. They need to go do them and bring in the cosmic light and we could touch the moon, the stars, stars, the sun, we can even ask other bees come charges with ancient light codes. When that happens, we’re going to start to become more full of energy full of energy, our whole system will light up our DNA will light up because a body says a body that is deleted that is depleted. Functions right here in energy. It functions right here in consciousness, we need to ascend to higher consciousness to fix the problems to be solution bringers on this planet, and so we need to go we need to step from up down here to appear energetically wise. When we do that. We’re going to be gone conscious And we’re going to have the biggest library that’s infinite, that that’s eternal, challenge us the solutions for everything before for the suffering for the homelessness for everything. So I think that that’s really important right now, you know, it’s important, we were more than words that we actually bring in that energy, that we start to understand how energy works. And that we need to start to understand there is a lot of beings out there that want to help us, we need to do the work to bring in the energy, because again, we’re at here, the bees are here so we can access them. But once we bring our energy, if we’re going to get to the same levels, these bees, and they will interact with us. And then also, you know, there are kin they’re going, they’re more than willing to bring help and solutions to us. So for me, the biggest, biggest thing is that humanity understands that they have a soul, it’s made of energy, they can charge their bodies with more energy, and they can use this energy to go higher in frequency so that they can become multi dimensional again, so that they can reach new heights of spirituality, then they could channel the energy through them to heal the planet to heal the oceans and to clear the pollution and the negative energies off this planet.

Brandon Handley 11:17
So no small message, or a small message, a small message, right? No, and just just help me out here just with some of the language. So if I say God consciousness, and and and and then kind of the way that we’re talking and what you’re saying, could I liken it to the Akashic Record?

Sarah R Adams 11:37
Yeah, you know, that’s Yes. Akashic Record. vast library of eternal knowledge. Yes.

Brandon Handley 11:47
Okay. Every part of it. Yes. And, and I know, you talk about, you know, different beings or ETS, etc. Are they you know, would you say that they’re among us, and it’s just our inability to recognize them? for like, the dimensional are currently limited. Well, so the most of us, right are limited capability to see multi dimensionally or at a higher level. Um, and, or simply like, a belief block, right? Just like, you know, if you believe the stories of like, back in the day, when, you know, the story goes, Hey, you know, when Christopher Columbus came over with the boats, Indians didn’t see the boats because they didn’t know what a boat was. Right? So how are you going to see something? If you don’t know what it is?

Sarah R Adams 12:42
Well, you know, it goes back to the whole thing of energy that I just explained, yes, there’s many different beings I interact with leprechauns, fairies, elves, many different mythical creatures that I speak to, and I see them like I see you. Now the thing is, is when your energy fields down here, you’re functioning from lower consciousness, when your energy fields up here, you’re functioning from higher consciousness, and you’re also tapping into these other beings, when you’re functioning from up here, it’s all about energy a depleted body, simply your client kind of robotic kind of show off, you can’t access other realms, you can’t access other dimensions. So you’re down here living down here. So the thing is, is that to be able to communicate with these beings to interact with them you have to bring your energy up you have to bring your frequency up. And of course when I go to save God, you know God consciousness for me, God is an energy that flows through everything it flows to planets, to realms through everything, and this energy interacts with us of course, we have a certain amount of it in us and otherwise we would be dead because the organs and everything functions on energy but what we need to use we need to understand how to bring energy into us. So we can speak to this moon stars the sun, the ancient spirits of light, we can say, you know charges with more energy and that will happen as our frequency goes up, then we’re going to start interacting with other beings. And even a non believer can do this for somebody who’s never had a spiritual experience in their life or or interacting with an ET or any other supernatural creature. If you just bring your energy up, you’ll have those experiences.

Brandon Handley 14:21
Okay, so if Let me also are you I’m sure you’re familiar with David Hawkins and the consciousness map Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 14:30
A little bit.

Brandon Handley 14:32
Okay, and I bring that up because he’s got like, a basic graph right? Just says hey, you know, low consciousness down here. And you know, gives you like, certain like levels right? Sounds like a ladder up to like, you know, God consciousness, right? Because, you know, where if everybody’s got like this lower consciousness now, then we’re stuck in fear, right? Then if you’re stuck in fear, then like, you know, you can’t see shit. You’re stuck. You can’t see anything because you’re just all using See his worry and fear? Yes. Right. And it’s going to take you to kind of there’s a tipping point is like courage, right? Where you know this on the ladder where just says, Hey, alright, well, I stepped into or accepted like, you know, my divinity like might you know my source energy but it’s going to take me a little bit longer to figure out what to do with it next right like now you’ve got the source of energy you’re connected, you’re tapped in your love but you’re like still like this big blob because you don’t know what the hell to do with it. Right? Right. And then, you know, so he walked in and so you kind of walk up the ladder until you get to this higher consciousness spot that you’re talking about? And then you know that part, you’re at that that part but how do you how do you how do you walk somebody into, you know, get to get to become reconnected? How do you walk somebody, yourself like to get shot, like God love to get charged some ancient like codes, I’m down, like, I mean, so what’s that process?

Unknown Speaker 15:56
I can arrange that for you? And yeah.

Sarah R Adams 16:01
You know, okay, so you’re right, you know, you tap into, or you bring in this energy and you’re kinda like everywhere. So then you have to master that energy. Because, you know, God, which we’re gone mastered the elements price master the elements Christ had owed to the ocean to comment it did. So you know, instead of letting that energy just everywhere you channel that energy. So you say, Okay, I want you to, to do this, this and this, and you instruct that energy. And that’s where you actually achieve what I call God. Entire, the entirety of access and God consciousness, because if you’re just in that chaotic energy, it’s going to eventually you know, cause a lot of problems. So then you have the energy you instruct it, okay, channel to the planet here, channel to my life here to create a new more success and blessings channel to this person here that needs it. So then we must know how to master it, which is quite important. Probably the most important, above all is knowing how to master yourself. So we have so many co pilots out there, nobody’s living as a master pilot of themselves, their energy fields, and this is causing a huge problem. They’re not, you know, we take showers every morning. But we’re our energy fields are full of gunk. And nobody’s actually cared to clean. A walk, you know, the city’s his stuff. And it’s passed back and forth and eventually returned to this like dense web of energy. And they don’t know why they’re depressed, why they’re feeling bad, why they’re sad, why nothing is manifesting good in their life. It’s because they’re all in that web. So it’s really important to understand how the energy field and to clear it, bring in energy and then master that energy.

Brandon Handley 17:43
How do I get myself out of the web?

Sarah R Adams 17:47
You know, so I work in symbolism, of course, I’ve done some work on Gaia for this. And the body of Christ said that the body is a temple. The body is the original church. By the way, we weren’t meant to go to church to access God, we were meant to this soul code symbolism permit to access God within here. No, we’re looking for God and books, religions, all this all these places, failing to realize that the most powerful force actually lives within us. So to access that force, you must first acknowledge it, you must acknowledge that there’s this energy within you. And then you must also start to communicate with it. So it’s formed through our organs is formed through ourselves. So to bring more energy in what I like to do is I like to speak to each organ. So what I do is I visualize my DNA, I visualize it, and cosmic energy pouring into my DNA to light my DNA. Then I visualize a golden tunnel, I visualize myself flying up to the skull through this golden tunnel, until I got goosebumps all over my body. And then I go to PES five Do I go to 22 D. And once I get to 22 D, I mean God consciousness, I have my mind clear. I focus on my liver and you don’t even need to know where your liver is, or the organ you’re working on. And I ask I say, I say, is there any desert energies? Is there any toxins? Is there any ancestral energies? Is there any dense dense, toxic energies from things that happened to me traumatic energies, and then I clear my mind and weight and the organ response to a thought almost telepathically. And sales show me either I’ll get an image of like this black smoke energy that needs to be spent, there’s dense energies that need to be cleared or I’ll say, anger or it’ll say hurt or pain. Then I tell my system, just like you would press Delete on your computer, I tell my system, delete this out of my system, and I can feel the energy completely been removed from my system. Then I ask the Oregon again, I say what color do you need, and then they’ll tell me gold or blue. blues great for inflammation. Bold is great for to energize the organ. So I go through all my organs and do this, myself, my bones, my brain and do this because again, going back symbolism, if you go to Europe to the ancient churches there to the cathedrals there, they have an origin in it. And of course, when you play the organ the symphony is, is heard throughout the entire church. So our organs create the symphony, that that that flows through our entire body, our aura, our chakra system. So if one of our organs are off, it’s just like one of the keys of that Oregon, in that church feed off which will, which will create a symphony, that that sounds that that’s off, that’s out of tune, that’s out a symphony, and in basically the same as what the frequencies in our bodies, when organs are blocked by toxins, by trauma, by all these negative things, and their energies are off, then the frequency, the tune of our frequency, the symphony of the Divine within our frequency field is off. And then we start to create all sorts of issues everywhere in our life and our physical life, which is a reflection of our Symphony that’s off within ourselves, our frequency, that’s all within ourselves,

Brandon Handley 21:18
I can definitely see that right, you’re a mess on the inside, you’re gonna see a mess on the outside, right? I mean, right? Um, you know, how does one learn, you know, to master the energy, right, instructing the energy, I really enjoyed that versus kind of like, Sounds Sounds like a little bit more fun than your traditional prayer type of thing be like, please, you know, be really cool. If this happened, you send an instruction out again, you have to use in some program language, like, you know, create an instruction, this line always works for, you know, this thing, right? But how do you know, how do you tell somebody to, you know, again, going from, Alright, here’s all this energy, it’s a mess, but like, how do you go from that to just being able to instruct it? Because mastery is something that takes a long time, it’s not something that takes a month. Right? So what are some of the stuffs there?

Sarah R Adams 22:09
I think, reason that, you know, it mastery, for me can be attained by everyone in quite a short, short space of time, once they understand how their system works, because we’re bodies, right. And we’re seeing them as prisons, we’re seeing them as negative, we’re seeing that we’re caught on this planet, rather than understanding that their divine tech. And this was a gift giving to ourselves when we were in the realms of spirit. So we could have a 3d physical experience. And we are not, we are not treating this physical body, this tech, right, we’re not understanding how it works. So you know, because of this, I feel a lot of the and while I’m very thankful, and have a lot of honors, honor for those who have taught about mastering oneself, I believe, once you connect to your system, it goes quite quickly. So you speak to your organs, once you learn just to do it to one which takes a couple of minutes, I teach this to my clients, then you go through them all, and it doesn’t take long. And you know, in three weeks, I have people who are completely it’s almost like they’re reborn again, they’re they completely are mastering their, the frequencies within themselves. And they’re there. They’re channeling higher frequencies. And so I really, for me, the knowledge of how to how to unite the spirit, God energy. So it’s one with the physical body, which is also divine tech, that knowledge has been lost. And so this is creating a problem because there’s there’s people discover different ways to master their energy fields, but they haven’t truly tapped in that, hey, you can go into your system, just like a computer, where you press Delete, you can delete all of the old energy system out and then rebuild a new energy system. And this is what Christ meant and Bible that thou shalt be born again, it doesn’t need to actually physically die, it means that you need to go in and clear all that old energy field and create a new one. And you can do so. And, you know, it’s quite easy to do once you once you step into that.

Brandon Handley 24:18
I mean, I guess I could see that right? The idea of connecting, going through a process learning the process. And then once you’re, you know, tuned in, tapped in turned on, right, you’re you’re Oh, yeah, you’re good to go.

Unknown Speaker 24:33
But well, you

Brandon Handley 24:35
know, the other part too, right. I think you mentioned this and I wanted to tap on it. He talks about like books and religions as being not like imminently necessary right for, you know, to be able to do this. However, I mean, would you also say that i like i like if I read a book, and I understand something to me that I think As my level of where I am versus the book per se, right? Is that fair to say? Like, so if I pick up a religious book and I’m like, Oh my god, I have an epiphany. It’s not necessarily a book. It’s just my understanding. Exactly.

Sarah R Adams 25:14
Yes, exactly. And, you know, the thing is like, I love books, by the way, a lot of antique books. I have books from England, I have quite a library of say love books, but at the same time, I know being a God consciousness, I instantaneously know things. And like the Bible, okay, so the Bible, first of all, it’s not, it’s almost like being worshipped. People are so obsessed with the Bible. It’s insane. It’s, it’s, it’s deterring them from a god, which

Brandon Handley 25:47
was misunderstood, right? Like, I mean, it’s been like, passed down from generation to generation, you got this one group of people is like, hey, let’s, let’s take all the literal meaning out of this whole thing. You know, which could, you know, translations never been altered over, you know, 1000s of years. So, you know, I’m sure everything in there is like, perfect. Right. And then they,

Sarah R Adams 26:07
well researched the Bible. It’s First of all, it’s, it’s not the word of God, because it’s a lot of different prophets, prophecies, history, and mishmash of things laid down put together then to then create the Bible, which is said to be the Word of God, which isn’t true at all. Um, but the true Word of God is within us, when we tap into that higher state of being, we just instantaneously No, because we’re in God consciousness, and we don’t need to read a book, because God is within us, and we’re accessing that. So for me, when it comes to religion, um, and, you know, this might be controversial to say, but I know don’t say controversial stuff, and I honestly don’t care because I know people need the truth, it’s going to help them out of this world that they’re living in of dense energies. And in the Bible, there was also a lot of political stuff put in there to suppress people, you know, just like says, pay your taxes, and this and this, and this. And then of course, it’s, you know, way the Bible too, is, for me, it’s quite a dense energy, because there’s, there’s, there’s the murder of millions of people in there, there’s the murder of innocent animals as sacrifice. And you know, any logical person, any person who’s somewhat functioning, R is going to look at that state, why would God construct to kill children, animals and 1000s of people, you know, if your god you would ever do that, that’s, that’s, that’s not gone. In fact, that’s the opposite of it. So for me, religion has caused a lot of havoc, it’s also put made people think that they’re sinners. And it’s made put people in this sort of like, energetic West system, which I feel is part of the false matrix system, false light matrix system, where it doesn’t tell them how to actually heal, it just makes them feel bad, because they’re sinners, and they have guilt and everything else. And it’s quite huge problem on the planet right now. And to send it to God conscious, you got to get rid of all of that, you know, and it’s sadly it’s ingrained in our very DNA, some of us because our, our grandparents and so on, have the everybody’s been in religion, and whatever you believe those codes are going to go into your children and your grandchildren. So a lot of people they, they’re, they’re actually being born with these codes that need to be re deleted out of the system. So they can have a free mind. So their souls can be free, so the energy can be free, so that they can actually function function from a higher consciousness. So it’s really important to to get rid of all of that, hey, the Bible is, was also King James, who had the whole Bible done, who did a book on demonology. Nobody knows this.

Brandon Handley 28:47
Nobody’s got that one.

Sarah R Adams 28:50
Yes, nobody’s got that one. He wrote a book on demonology, how to summon demons, but the Word of God and I do water research. I’ve done a lot of research on the Archons because I’ve encountered you know, spirits that feed off of other people’s energy field. And I really feel the Bible is tied into the archives and into lower spirits. Once we’re clear of energy, of guilt of negative energy and guilt and all that stuff, no, no negative spirit can can access us. So they want us to have guilt and they want us to feel like sinners, because when we do things can ask us to feed off their energy fields. I think it’s kind of religion was created. Almost for me, the opposite of the Divine is connected into the lower energies,

Brandon Handley 29:33
not 100% I can I can see that right and especially if you’re taking the Bible at kind of face value. I guess I’m referring to a lot of some of the other people that have given me a different perspective on it. Like neville goddard is a guy that like you know, I think gives you like a fun perspective on the Bible that doesn’t, it’s not the is based off of like astrology and all these other things versus you know, some other stuff and versus what I was taught growing up, I remember very clearly, like really listening to him, like driving off to some back roads, like talking about the Bible, like, you know, and to me the way that it was intended to be delivered, I was like, that’s it. Why is this? Why isn’t anybody talking like this, this is what you’re you’re supposed to be hearing versus, you know, if they’re talking about, like, for example, one of them was like, talking about the sheep, not following the sheep, per se, but like, you know, about, like, it’s the rough texture of the sheep versus something else, like all the symbolism, which, again, I’m sure, you know, up your alley, right. So not to dive too deep. But I mean, I think that to me, again, the bigger part of it all is like, you know, when you’re reading books, and I don’t feel like they’re, I feel like there’s definitely misinterpretation of the Bible. And I also feel like, to your point, you don’t need to go, when you go read all those books, understand that the things that are lighting you up are coming from your own understanding from within, right, not from that book, per se.

Sarah R Adams 31:02
Yeah. When you know, and there’s codes and symbolism and everything. So like, if I read something, and I’ve read the Bible, like, countless times, and I, when I read something, I see it differently, I’ll notice a person who reads it that, you know, they haven’t access God consciousness. They’ll take it literally and see it differently than me who actually sees codes in it. I mean, there’s a lot of codes and symbolism in religion, but those are stolen. Those were stolen from the ancient prophets, prophets, those writings and then, you know, given to us in different religious books, but is there sure is there some truth in bio, of course, there’s some truth in the Bible. And otherwise, that would keep people attracted to so they always put truth and lies

Unknown Speaker 31:46
together. It’s sure. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 31:49
no, for sure. For sure. It was funny. That’s who I had as a, I made a little note here, when you’re talking about the matrix. Remember where they’re the the cat like in the one scene, that kind of glitch for a second, like you said in the matrix, and then it was like almost a glitch when you said it was just kind of funny because you glitch in the matrix?

Sarah R Adams 32:06
She said, there’s two matrix, there’s two light systems, globalist plan. One is the original light system on the light system of ancient light, which is going through the forest, it’s flowing through everything. And then we have what I call the false light system, the false light system, is the pollution on this planet, because pollution is heavy, heavy, dense energies are being bombarded with pollution, negative belief systems, that’s another one. Whether you know, and we are actually born into a system where there’s, we go through schooling, that’s a system that closes us off from our creativity from the divine, where we go through jobs, that’s another system that makes us you know, basically almost like it slaves us for money. And it keeps us from our true calling, calling our soul path, we have all these different systems that are a part of this false light matrix system that we are born into, and that we grow into and that tell us what to think it tells us what to eat, it tells us how to dress, it tells us what to do on every single level, while it’s hitting us with pollution, so that our bodies because each cell by the way, and this is some This is some ancient knowledge here, because the ancient Egyptians, they used to be sun worshippers, and they would bring in the light of the sun and that would charge their aura and they’re in all the organs and of course, their chakra system. The cell is a solar panel with the light would come through it and charge our solar energy. However, the the brushes are, the pollution comes into the cell, and specifically heavy metals, we’re being bombarded with heavy metals everywhere, putting in different things like vaccination and stuff as controversial as that sounds. So heavy metals get into the cell and reflect out like a mirror. So the light cannot charge our auric field and our energy systems. So we are basically lower consciousness because we are not not charging. This is why we have so many energy vampires, people are depleted in energy, often, they are terrible to themselves and others their murders their abusers. Anyone who does not have a higher energy charge, they are basically functioning from lower consciousness, and they’re they’re vampires. They’re energy vampires. So we have this whole neural connected false light matrix system, which blocks the shoe light out is fucking, like I said, on a cellular level on an energetic level on a thought level, in the belief systems on all these different levels. And sadly, much of the planet this planet many millions of people are tapped into that false light matrix system and function from there. You have to completely disconnect from that and then you have to reconnect to the true life. That light of the Divine that flows through everything. So, you know, you have to kind of peel back the layers almost like an onion, you’ve got to peel that back so you can get to your core energy within yourself of the Divine

Brandon Handley 35:15
was something was first up. Like, I mean, you know, how do you recognize you’re you’re in, in, like, the bad matrix,

Sarah R Adams 35:26
I think it’s really easy to tell, you know, you’re going to be depressed, you’re going to be stressed, you’re going to be worried all the time, you’re going to be tired. There’s no joy in life. Because, you know, again, being down here and frequency, you, you have to be high frequency data, joy, bliss, love all those beautiful things to feel good. So if you’re down here, you’re gonna be sick and everything else, and that’s, you know, then you’re gonna be you’re gonna feel like you’re you’re suffocated in life. Those are a few of the things you know, that will tell you that you’re connected into the lower energies. And then of course, you need to start with level number one, and that’s the physical body, you need to start to detox it, detox it, detox it, and bring in light energies. So then, you know, you can bring in light energies, without doing any what I call visualization meditation, which is another level of bringing yourself up through drinking herbs, bringing in a lot of food that has light energy in it, that’s fruits, vegetables that have charged with the sun’s energy that moves energy to certain bring that energy into your body. Because our diet, you know, I noticed specially here in the United States, our diets are depleted in energy, literally minerals, nutrients, we’re in a dead diet. So we’re a week later, we like a walking dead. So it’s so important to bring those things to bring in vitamins and nutrients into your system to bring in a water that’s charged with energy. So I put my my water by the way, in mason jars and put it under the sun and moon put crystals in it. So I’m charging it, that’s one of the ways I like to do it. So then you’re going to start with the physical to just start to simply change his frequency through your diet through de toxin. And then you know, start to do things like meditation, visualization, meditation, start to do things, you know, physical things to get your body also healthy, such as working out yoga. Things like those are a couple of the first steps that people need to take to actually get themselves to higher frequencies.

Brandon Handley 37:30
Right? So this is, those are a couple, the first steps you’re going to take to break out of the, I’m just gonna call it the dark matrix into the light matrix. Right. And it’s kind of interesting as you’re talking, right, the the foods was like energy. I forget, I was watching some, you know, plant based diet but but, you know, basically you’re eating if you’re eating you know, freshly grown in the sun, vegetables and fruit, you’re eating the sun, that’s sunlight, right? I mean, it’s literally captured sunlight. So at least if you’re getting it into you, I could just see myself blowing out like the the metals or whatever from the inside.

Sarah R Adams 38:09
And that’s another thing, see what toxic toxins, um, you can also go in your system, and tell your system to transmute them. So you tell your yourselves, you know, I want you to transmute the energy of toxins chest, made it to golden light, and then charge yourself, you’re telling yourself charge itself with that. So we can actually go in our system and tell our system to transmute these energies of toxins into higher frequencies that will then charge us and bring us into higher consciousness.

Brandon Handley 38:44
what’s the what’s like, a timeline for something like that right to to is that require like belief that you you and your system, and your body can do that for yourself.

Sarah R Adams 38:58
And, you know, that’s why they really, in society try to make us feel less than inside. Because once we believe our God, that manifests is in herself. And we are immensely powerful.

Brandon Handley 39:11
So real quick, though, so if I’m God and your God, like, what’s up, I mean, you because I think I think a lot of people, though, if you if you were to say that, and you’re saying it right now they’re like, well, if you’re a god, you know, why is the world like this? Why don’t you fix it? And if I’m God, then like, why is my world like such a shit show? Right? Like, so? How do you address that to people?

Sarah R Adams 39:36
So it wouldn’t be fair, if only your God or I’m God, and we have all this power, that would be imbalanced. So God wants us all to know, we’re all God. And we must all work together to heal the world, because that’s fairness and balance. And of course, God is energy that flows through us. It flows through you, it flows through me and we must have All acknowledge that word God, this is quite important for the planet right now. And that because when we knowledge that, then there is no fair there is no, there is no nothing that can hinder us from healing our planet, but it would be unfair if just one of us forgot. So yes, even though I have quite immense divine power, it’s not up to me to clap, it’s up to me to say I have found God within, and pass that light to others until everyone saw their light within and works together to heal their planet. That’s what the divine wants, it wants us to know that we’re all pieces of this beautiful, divine puzzle. And we’re all needed. And we all need to step into our Christ consciousness, not just one of us, because, you know, if one of us came and healed the entire planet, it wouldn’t fix the solutions go back, they, they would expect to save your over and over again. They haven’t stepped into their Christ selves. But once you step into your Christ stuff, you understand that you come from a place of compassion and goodness. So you understand not to continuously do harm to yourself and others. So this is a this is kind of the grand plan divine plan for humanity. That’s why in religion when it says, you know, just there’s one Savior, that’s such a, it’s false. Christ said, All our Christ, Christ was trying to show people, I have powers, and you can achieve this too. And price that I’m God. And that was very controversial back then. But Christ had realized that he had this God force within himself, and he became one with it, and realized he was gone. And so he was trying to teach humanity.

Brandon Handley 41:43
Now that makes sense. I mean, I think that makes a you know, to the same to the same degree, almost, that if you and I were to run out and say that, God, right, those people right now are like, no, you’re not like, That’s messed up. You can’t talk like that. Right? But all you’re really saying is like, you know, I am filled with source energy to your VM. We started this whole thing off with a, you know, without that, without that divine energy within your body, that lifeforce within your body. You don’t work? Like I mean, and nobody figures out like how, like when you die, like nobody’s like, hey, did anybody catch the battery that fell out? You know, where does? Where did that life source go? Where did that God force go? Right? So and, you know, you’re talking about, like, you know, Jesus, I can do these things. And you can, you can do the same and so much more. Right. And that’s, I think, I love that line. I’m like, well, Dude, what’s up? You know what I mean? And so,

Sarah R Adams 42:39
like, what’s the Why? Why are you guys not healing people? Why are you guys why is the earth this way? Because they haven’t found the the, the issues within themselves, they have actually become one with the energy to understand their God. So that’s why nobody is really healing themselves and others has done this religion actually keeps people from accessing that. And, um, but yeah, I see that all the time. But hey, of course, I have been in Christ consciousness, I manifest myself beautiful, happy,

Brandon Handley 43:07
like, it’s worked out.

Sarah R Adams 43:10
Everywhere. Yes. So I am the master of my life through that.

Brandon Handley 43:14
works, right. But But I think what you’re saying though, too, and I heard down, like, it’s like a string of Christmas lights, right? Like, if one goes out, like, then the whole thing’s not working, right. So we’re all kind of like, in that string of Christmas lights. If we’re, if we, if we got a few that are busted, the whole strings not gonna work. So we all got, we all got it, bring our lights and you’re passing the light on to the next person, next person, you have just as much in you, as the next person does. It’s just their ability and willingness to recognize it, harness it and nurture it, is that what you’re saying?

Unknown Speaker 43:49
And, you know,

Sarah R Adams 43:52
like I said, there’s some truth in the Bible, but it says that, once a man realizes that he’s, he’s, he’s got Christ within him that he has power, more power almost to the angels. And that’s, that’s amidst power. And, but but God being fair to all, even with beings like me, who have come to this earth to channel this information, I don’t ever want to be on a pedestal. I don’t ever want to be above anyone. I just wish to show them what I have done within myself.

Brandon Handley 44:30
But I think that that’s it. That’s so that’s a tough one for people there because like, you know, it’s like, again, you’re not saying you’re above or beyond anyone, you just made a different choice to recognize your your connection to source right and that’s, that’s it, right? It’s not like, it’s not like you’re better than somebody else. Not like your higher not like your lower not like you’re more powerful than anybody else. See, there’s just like, this is, you know, like the whole Jesus thing, you can do this and so much more.

Sarah R Adams 44:57
Exactly. So I you know, I’ve devoted my life To showing people why achieved and that they can achieve just as much within themselves. And this is important because God is so fair God would not put one above another. So there’s just those of us who have realized that we’re God and we’re worthy, our own price, and there’s those who have not that they’re below us. Just they haven’t realized that yet. And at some point in the future, they will realize that

Brandon Handley 45:31
right, or, you know, depending on like, I guess where you were your stances on like the reincarnation bit, right, or just like, in next lifetimes, until, like, there’s a full recognition of, you know, soul experience, right, I’m here to have an experience. And you know, if I don’t figure it out this time, like, maybe you know, next time, right? So what are some of your biggest objections, somebody, you know, when when you tell them that they are God, that they are source? What do they say to you,

Sarah R Adams 46:03
it almost releases that makes them so happy, because they, you know, a lot of people look up to me. And so when I tell them that they’re like, incredibly happy, and they’re, it’s eye opening to them, because they’re like, Wow, you’ve achieved so much. And you do all these things, you travel dimensions, you go out of your body, you speak to ETS, but you’re looking at me, and you’re telling me, I’m God, and that really in a beautiful way shapes them, and they start to think about it and helps them wake up. And they’re very accepting of that. And they, you know, I help them realize their power within them. And that, you know, even though a lot of them a lot of people I come across, you know, sometimes they’ll just be having my, my cup of hot chocolate or tea, and I’ll look at the person who’s talking to me, I’ll say, you know, your God. And they just smile, and they like, tell me, you know, tell me about this. And I tell it to them, they understand it, and it really helps them to wake and more.

Unknown Speaker 47:11
That’s cool, right?

Brandon Handley 47:14
I definitely haven’t gotten to the point where I run around tell people that they’re God, right. But yeah, I see, you know, definitely. To the point, though, where I know that I look at everybody and everything is divine, right? That’s just kind of point that I’m at

Sarah R Adams 47:27
what he says all the time, when I’m walking on the street, I see a smiling child or a hair, bird chirping, or I feel the wind blowing through my hair. I’m aware, God is within me and all around me. And God’s always speaking to me. It’s such a beautiful thing. And it’s, for me, what’s heartbreaking, is that knowing that humanity has, they’re not opening the door to that. And that’s the solution. And once they did they never be lonely. Even if they were in the middle of the desert, they would know that they’re gone, they’re okay. And everything’s gonna be okay. And and there would be no fair, there would be nothing, you know, that could hinder them ever really, truly hurt them in any experience. So it for me, it’s really intense because I get to experience this. But I realized how hard it is for people who don’t have that support from the divine. It’s really hard. They’re 3d lives.

Brandon Handley 48:30
Do you feel like we’re turning a corner at all? Do you feel like the realization and recognition of you know divine within Christ Consciousness is accelerating?

Sarah R Adams 48:43
I do I believe that the pressures of you know COVID the pressures from our politicians, the pressures from our economy that is just been destroyed via these different things. I feel like the more pressure that humanity has on it, that they’re going to look deeper within they’re going to start to look deeper within and find that power, and that’s going to help them transcend all of these things. And that pressure is there to help them access the Christ consciousness to push them within more to step into their God consciousness.

Brandon Handley 49:24
Like a germination a source.

Unknown Speaker 49:26
Yes,

Unknown Speaker 49:27
I got it.

Brandon Handley 49:30
Let’s do ETS. Before we leave, just for fun. Give me the lowdown on the ETS Anju

Sarah R Adams 49:38
Whoo. So I you know, I had when my team who saw me shape, shape shift into et By the way, so I get this question a lot. People are like, what are you you’re you supernatural?

Unknown Speaker 49:52
Are you a goddess? Are

Sarah R Adams 49:53
you a witch? Are you this? I’ve had 1000s of different labels and names thrown at me. So, you know, we have these bodies right? So we have many other bodies A lot of people don’t remember this, but this is their only body that they’ve had. They’ve lived on other planets they’ve taken many different forms but above that they were in their spiritual in spirit

Unknown Speaker 50:17
world

Sarah R Adams 50:17
so their God consciousness, somewhere in God consciousness, I’ve taken bodies of ETS I’ve taken bodies in Egypt and Atlantis and this is my, you know, most recent body

Unknown Speaker 50:29
to daily driver,

Sarah R Adams 50:30
right so just like we take off clothes and put them on that’s how I see it. So yeah, I have had some incarnation says ETS different ETS Um, so that’s something that I’m highly aware of. I have merged in the energy from whenever I was in et so I have that energy within my field they beat motion energy for when I was in Atlantis from when I was in Egypt, and it has a lot of information it’s kind of amazing because I kind of left all this information and then pulled it back into this lifetime so that I can help out with the, with channeling knowledge to humanity. That was all this information I cut it during the time I went to fit into physical bodies. So with ETS, I mean, they’re again, they’re just a different body that they put on for a while to have experiences in. I speak to them sometimes like I said, I definitely go into the energy of when I was at et and shape shift that I’m quite aware of that people around me too. But for me ETS are our they’re my kin I’m always up with the council’s they, they’re so telepathic and they’re so they can feel things from other planets, they can be another solar system and feel things that happen on our planet. They’re quite in tune. And they’re kind of like the Sears is the divine is because they’re the powers that they have the technology they have comes from the divine they’re so close to the divine. It has an immense power that gives them all the technology all the abilities they have in fact Believe it or not the ET races that are that are the have the most light energy through them are the most advanced races not the ones who still energy.

Brandon Handley 52:14
Got two questions left. Got a favorite favorite et Ah, I

Unknown Speaker 52:18
can’t see that I

Sarah R Adams 52:20
I feel heartbroken say that because they all love me so much. And I love them so much.

Brandon Handley 52:24
So I just today could change tomorrow.

Sarah R Adams 52:29
I still have to stick with all of them. They do such divine work for the planet for humanity, and I’m so grateful to have their

Unknown Speaker 52:35
presence in my life.

Brandon Handley 52:37
No Wrong there’s no wrong answers. Are we that much more removed than from ETS in terms of being close to the divine? I mean, is it harder for us to get that close? Or have we made it harder for ourselves to get that close?

Sarah R Adams 52:52
humanity’s made it hard for themselves, you know, because never left humanity. These beautiful beings, interdimensional beings ETS never, never left humanity. They’ve never turned their backs on humanity’s humanity has turned its back on itself. And on God on its own children on it on its own planet, because they’re not they’re not stepping into God consciousness and they’re simply living a 3d life. So if humanity was made the obstacles for themselves,

Brandon Handley 53:23
so self inflicted kind of walls and cutting ourselves off from source. intentional or unintentional. You know, I think I think it could be argued either way, right? You know, what’s the Maya Angelou line where, you know, you do your best until you know better, right? And, yes. And I think that, you know, we’ve done our best with what we thought was the right thing for quite a long time only kind of to get to this point and be like, Oh, really, this is the best we can do. I think we I think we missed the turn back there, right? somewhere. So we should have turned left. We should have made a right. Well, so listen, I you know, there’s so much to do, which barely scratched the surface of you. But I just want to say thanks for popping on today. What is you know if what is like one thing you wish somebody had always asked you but never had?

Unknown Speaker 54:19
Hmm.

Sarah R Adams 54:22
That’s a hard one. But let me think for a second there. You know, I think that I wish that people would have understood that I was only that I’m only trying to bring them goodness and asked me about that more deeply and intensely when I was younger, when I had just gotten this filled in when everything was chaotic for me. You know, I wish they would ask more questions that came to me about the things that I experienced and about me being different. That would have been amazing. Now they do. So I’ve manifested that. But it’s something that I would have wanted when I first got into this field,

Brandon Handley 55:09
how would that have helped you?

Sarah R Adams 55:11
I think instead of people misunderstanding me, because a lot of them did, it would have helped them understand me a lot more,

Brandon Handley 55:18
just by kind of asking questions versus what was happening,

Sarah R Adams 55:24
versus theories or fair or I feel like people are very fearful of things that are different. And instead of approaching and fair, or having their theories or beliefs, they should approach with kindness and by asking questions, and getting to know those who are different, because, you know, I’ve had my share of where I was misunderstood, despite the fact that it was only trying to bring healing and goodness to the world. So I hope that that’s something that in this community, people can do more, they can just simply be honest with you ask a question, without any ulterior motive behind it, or belief system or theory about you. As somebody who has a, you know, I have a huge following. You don’t really know me, but you can ask me questions now honestly, answer. So I that’s what I feel. There was a lot of questions back then maybe not now that I wish people would have asked me so they will could have understood me better?

Brandon Handley 56:26
was one question that I could ask you that would help me understand you better.

Sarah R Adams 56:32
Take a guess. And you want go ahead. Come on.

Unknown Speaker 56:37
You can ask me anything?

Brandon Handley 56:39
Yeah, I mean, this is what I feel like I should have asked asked earlier in the show, but I mean, Was this something that you experienced? And I believe if I caught correctly, there was some abuse while you’re growing up, too, right. So was, you know, Was this something that was trying to manifest then? And Was that something that was holding you back from sharing more of your gifts?

Sarah R Adams 57:05
No. So I chose to come into I chose to come into a body and experience abuse, I could understand it, how can I go to a planet and help out that planet, I didn’t know what they were experiences. So for me, that just gave me a lot of knowledge, it could destroy me or truly hurt me. I think what was more heartbreaking was the public and the people in the awakened community, who were not approaching me in the right manner. And that’s that made it hard for me on my journey at a certain point of which I, you know, overcome. And I know how to deal with the public better now. Because back then I was so you might say non human, I was so different. And everything was quite intense for me. And I, people saw me and they were like, Oh, she’s definitely different. And it kind of, I feel like maybe made some of them afraid, or they could understand things. And they didn’t approach with questions and kindness. Rather, they approached with being quite harsh. That’s what really I had a hard time in my journey. And at one point, you know, I just took a timeout, and Christ and Jesus appeared to me, sorry, Buddha appeared to me. And Christ Buddha said to me, now, you know, how we felt, we were just trying to help out humanity. And they Christ was like, they killed me, because they didn’t know how to approach me, they didn’t know how to understand me. And even though I just wanted to help them, they did this to me. And now you understand this. And now you understand that you’re on a planet, where even though they think they’re very bad, they’re quite primitive in knowing about the divine and about energy, and a lot of other things. And because you’re bringing this information, is that’s really triggering them, and that it’s bringing up a lot of things in them. And it’s bringing up their fear of anything that’s different. So I and I got to feel the emotions of Buddha and Christ and how heartbreaking it was for them just to want to help the world and have experienced that. And they did provide support for me, they were like, you know, this is your journey. No, we experienced this. And we knew it was gonna happen, but we’re here for you.

Unknown Speaker 59:21
It was beautiful.

Brandon Handley 59:23
I think that’s that’s huge. Right? I think, first of all, your capability, I guess, and our willingness to view, your abuse in that light. And I think that, you know, I caught briefly, you know, maybe that’s part of how you were able to heal yourself was by being able to see yourself in that way. And kind of, you know, how can you How can you take your what seems like this really awful thing from your past and harness that as your power, right? Or at least bring it into yourself and accept That, you know, plays something good for you and who you are today. Right? So I think that, you know, I think that’s a really cool way to take a look at it. And also, to your point, again, you know, of coming from the space and trying to have a conversation with somebody who doesn’t understand it right. There, the questions can be awkward. So the questions would be like, well, what, uh, you know, so, the question is, can be awkward, so I can understand to like, you know, the desire to have somebody ask you questions that in kindness, right, versus, you know, kind of, I don’t know about like, I wouldn’t say mean spirited, but like, again, if somebody doesn’t understand, then we come from a world, kind of where you poke fun at it until, like, you know, you understand it, right? Or something like that. But, uh, again, I just wanna say thanks for sharing, you know, all who you are, in again, this kind of short timeframe. Today here on spiritual dope, and where can people go find you?

Sarah R Adams 1:01:12
Thank you, I really enjoyed this. And, um, so they can find me, WW. Sarah are adams.com and that’s with an H, of course, and I am doing a lot of great projects. I just opened the retreat center here, Sedona, Arizona, I knit a store, I coach people you know, on how to heal, how to access the dimensions how to speak to ETS, and I’m doing the wealth and conference here this summer so they can find out more about that. They’re

Brandon Handley 1:01:42
also about the conference

Sarah R Adams 1:01:43
is you know, it’s an E t conference, and it’s gonna have a lot of my Gaia friends there that do work on Gaia. So we’re gonna have a great time. I am excited about this. And I just say wanted, you know, they contacted me, they said, we know that you are in contact with ETS, we know that ETS have a lot of messages for the planet of how to heal the planet. Can you just come and channel that for us and speak about that? And I? Yeah, I’m more than happy to go do that.

Brandon Handley 1:02:13
Why would you say no? Now very, very, very cool. Again, thanks for being on. It’s a lot of fun.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:19
Thank you.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself? Do you feel that you’re capable of way more than you’re doing? You’re doing a lot, but nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set rules for yourself and believe that you can do it.

In this episode, Rick Thompson talks about his book and how he helps people become the best versions of themselves. He discusses the subconscious mind and how important it is to accept things and envision the future.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about bringing the best out of you and setting rules and goals to be glorious. 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways your subconscious mind works and learn it to put it to the best use. 
  2. Discover the importance of setting rules and believing in what you can do.
  3. Learn the significance of goals and envision the best for yourself. 

Episode Highlights

[01:10] Gifts of God

  • You’re given everything. All you have to do is accept.
  • Rick talks about the first half of his book and talks about how our thoughts put imagery in the world and have the energy to co-create.
  • Rick shares his story of being in heaven with a huge box. He continues by talking about how he got where he is today.
  • Rick shares his experience of losing his wife and how he learned to cherish things.

[08:08] Envisioning and Searching

  • He continues to talk about how he dealt with his life’s demise and found a vision and a mission.
  • If you put thought and effort into something, you can achieve it. 
  • The future is what we believe it to be.
  • If you want something special, you have got to believe in it, in such a way that it exists for you.

[14:23] The Subconscious mind 

  • You have got to release and get rid of the negative energy. The things that are made for you will come to you.
  • It’s about flowing with the river but paddling gently in the right direction. 
  • You have to put thought and energy into life when you are contemptuous. 
  • Rick talks about his life after his wife passed away and wanted to find a motive and was looking for contempt. 
  • Someone thought of the world, and it was created because everything is a wave until it is created.

[18:53] Managing and Exploring Life

  • You don’t gotta go to work; you get to go to work. You don’t gotta get up; you get to get up.
  • Rick talks about how everyone is in a different arena and helps them open up to it to gain everything possible.
  • If we help each other become better, the world becomes a better place one step at a time.

[21:24] Imparting Knowledge and Setting Rules

  • Rick talks about his children and grandchildren and how he works on imparting knowledge to them.
  • If you have focused thinking while doing something, you will get good results.
  • You need to have a specific set of achievable rules, bring you happiness, and be realistic. If you are miserable, it’s because your rules don’t align with your life. 
  • Words are compelling.
  • You are what you say you are. 

[28:45] I am

  • When you say “I am,” your subconsciousness knows what it is, and it just connects.
  •  Some things are so well taught that we don’t even realize that we are doing it.
  • Your kids reflect exactly who you are without any filters.

[32:37] Dismantling Logic and Reason

  • You should figure out what makes you feel bad, listen to what other people say, too, review your rules and feel what is true inside you and get it in alignment.
  • Rick talks about how he likes to unfold and his favorite music and its influence on our life.
  • There is always good and bad, but we do have a choice. 
  • Rick talks about his favorite mantra of Ho’oponopono and the story behind it. 

[41:00] The Journey

  • Rick talks about how happy he is with life and feels like he has lived to the fullest, but life goals are always ongoing. 
  • It’s not the trip; it’s the journey.
  • Ricks discusses his book and the calling he had to pen it down. 
  • We all have feelings, and if we listen to them, they guide us in the right direction. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“Pain is a pathway to the divine.”

“What you believe in, as if it has already happened, will be yours.”

“It’s hardest to see your own self.”

“You can’t make everyone happy.”

“If you are not loving yourself, who is going to love you.”

About Rick

Rick is an engineer, businessman, and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is the CEO in the cement and steel industry and is recognized as the leading authority. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, accessing requirements, and solving problems on and off the work field. His latest book helps you tap deep into yourself and discover the quantum realms.

https://www.thequantummindset.com/

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So 54321 Hey, their spiritual dope, man, I always I always say my name and Brandon Handley here. I can’t, I can’t help but say, Hey, it’s me here. I’m back again. I’m here with Rick Thompson, who’s an engineer, businessman and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is a CEO in the cement and steel industry is recognized as the leading authority on post tensioning procedures working with big tech clients such as Microsoft and Google. Rick has been infatuated with science, math and the workings of the world since childhood. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, assessing requirements and resolving problems on and off the word field. His practical approach to business life and science is what makes his recent book very special and adjustable to the average reader. His book, his guide has guided programs and will provide you with tested nuts and bolts methods for entering the quantum mindset and tapping the heightened tools for manifesting your deepest dreams. And, Rick, thanks for being on the show today.

Rick Thompson 1:01
Thanks for having me. It’s always an honor and pleasure to share with others,

Brandon Handley 1:05
our present so I love to start this off with the whole idea that you know, your god man, that, you know, we are we are vessels for the creative energies of flow through the universe, and that you and I are connecting through this medium through this amplification through the podcast, with at least one specific person that’s going to catch a message that can only be delivered through you today. In this instance, true source. What does that messager

Rick Thompson 1:35
well, that you’re given everything and all you have to do is accept?

Unknown Speaker 1:42
Yeah, well,

Brandon Handley 1:42
I mean, let’s expand on that, right? I mean, I mean, I think that’s gonna be a big part of the conversation, where, you know, if I’m out there, and I’m like, Hey, man, I want everything How come was not here?

Rick Thompson 1:55
Well, that’s what the book comes, I go through, you know, the first part of my book really tells the physics behind it, until cell particle doesn’t really become a particle until it’s observed. So through many of the things like, they have this water crystal, that when they put positive energy on it, it turns to beautiful crystals. And when you put negative energy on it, and they have these different tests, even with the plant, they can kind of do these things and measure that reaction. So our thoughts in itself put energy into the world. And we have the power to So speak cocreate, because our energy is creating part of the world in front of us, you know, there’s all these other things that have been created before or by others, but we have the ability with our energy to kind of trade what we want. And to me, I have a story I like to tell, can is, puts this perspective helped me to learn that when you go to heaven with you is a giant golden box. And on that box is your name. And you get up there and you see it and go, Wow, this box is beautiful. And I wonder what’s in it and finding us what’s in this box. And they says, Well, normally we don’t tell people what’s in the box. But you ask, and it’s your box. So they open it up. And in it is all the gifts that God gave you that you did not accept. And so, you know, it’s the truth that like the sunshine shining on your world, given everything, we just have to accept the gifts that he gives us. All of this go around telling us how unworthy we are and how we don’t deserve and when smart enough. And you know, that’s just the negative or whatever power, you want to call it on the other side, kind of drag a spout away from all the beautiful things that life has given us and makes possible for us.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Now love that. So you’ve got you’ve got quite a quite a few things in there. I heard that story heard you tell that story a little earlier. And I really enjoyed the first time I’ve heard it definitely, definitely made me you know, stop and pause and think about what gifts survive, you know, kind of rejected. And then you’ve also got the route that’s the particle particles could be a wave or a particle, right until you observe it. Right? That’s the that’s the physics piece that you’re talking to. And then you’re also talking about Mr. He was a more a motto, right? The Japanese water experiment that was done. And I think that those are all awesome examples, right of physics. And then, you know, also the power of the mind. I think a question that comes to my mind is one of the same ones that I have for myself, like, what were some of the gifts that you were not receiving? That you recognize that that you actually had a gift for? I believe, I believe one of the stories I heard was that you were told that you were slow and that you had a learning disability and that you were a dreamer. But here you are today. You know being being this being this catalyst in the world that you are today. How did you how did you come upon that?

Rick Thompson 4:52
like to say you live life, and it’s for me, it’s like what didn’t happen overnight. But that’s it. Child, you know, my father left me when I was very young, and I never saw him again. You know, my mom had to raise me and she did remarried, and she remarried a great kid guy. And, you know, you can say, that’s the happiest day of, you know, my dad left, he gave me $1. And it made me really happy me and my sister both got a dog because dad can have any piece of candy. We’re very young. And it’s just, you know, it was so much to me as a little kid, that it was really excited. But that’s also the last time I ever saw. So I remembered as a happy moment. But you know, it’s kind of sad, because I never saw him again. So, to me, that’s a gift. I was given a happy moment to remember my father by at the last moment, even though it’s a breakout, and the things he went through and the suffering he had to do, because he wasn’t there, I didn’t have to suffer through I had a very good life. And because I was kind of feel rejected as a child, I think that’s why I got branded kind of the way I did. But as I read and learned and grew, you know, I and I learned to understand what was going around me and realize that I wasn’t. And I started applying those applications in life. Like, when I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to set a track record. And one of the things I did is I just envisioned it and said it. And I actually made bets with everybody the year before, saying that’s what I was going to do. And the next year I did it, and Matter of fact, I did it way above what I had ever expected. And so kind of helped me to find that what you believe in, you can make happen. And I had a very, I had a great life, you know, I was married and had children’s and a nice house. And I wasn’t super rich, but I definitely wasn’t poor. I lived what I would consider a good life. And that life was so good that it’s like what do you do to make a better life, I was happy. I was loved. I lived where I wanted. But 10 years ago, my wife passed away. And when she passed away, it created this terrible pain. And of course, the question is always why God mean. And I dealt with that for a while and started searching the world out. And instead of complaining about what was taken from me, I found that it was more important to cherish what was given. Because my wife taught me how to love and be a really good man and taught me so much. And she was so kind and generous. And I don’t know why things happen. But if I try to explain them, I just go crazy. But I do know, by changing my perspective from meaning me, why am I suffering to the gifts I got and what I can do for others, it allowed me to, you know, rebuild a new line to help others. And I do it in her name, kinda, you know, in her memory and her kindness and loving me, I help others and try to be the best man I can and just grow a little bit each day to be a better man. And those experiences are the kind of gifts that you know, when they happen, you think they’re not a gift, but when you look back at him, and look at both sides, you know, through your entire life, they turn out a gift that really makes you the person you want today.

Brandon Handley 8:24
So that’s, you’ve got your gifts that you were given, right? I mean, you do you go all the way back to the last time you saw your father, you know, I kind of jotted down, you know, this would be a story, right? Where you asked for a penny and you got $1, right, you asked and you receive but like, you know, maximum amount. And how there’s also you can look at that as a happy moment and and a sad moment, right. And then you have the other part that you talked about there was setting the track record and envisioning that what’s kind of funny is a real similar story that and that’s what’s one of my anchor points to to kind of recognizing the achievements I was like, first or second grade, though, and I ended up being like the fastest kid right, but like just kind of coming back and envisioning that like seeing yourself doing it and living it right. And, and then, you know, you’ve also got like this kind of this life that you’re living that you love, and how could it be any better and then and then your wife passes away. And that and that was like the you know, silence me to like, you know her again, listen to another one of your podcasts. I was like, No, she was true love to you. Right? That means a big big part of your life and you are in a you’re in a lot of pain and I love this line. There’s a person I listen to Sarah blonde and and she’s got this. This meditation is called, you know, pain is a gateway to divine and it sounds kind of like it that’s what it that’s what it did for you. It opened up a pathway to the divine for you. Is that what you were searching for? right because you said you kind of went out there searching. You were your why God me And were you searching for like, why are you in pain were you searching for? What was it you were searching for? In that moment? I’m just curious enough.

Rick Thompson 10:10
I was kind of searching is why am I hearing? What should I do? If I’m going to, you know, wrong to hurt yourself? So I can’t do that, because that would be a sin. In my rules anyway. And then, so I say, Well, if I’m gonna be here, then why? And what can I do to make it what you want, but you need what there is for me and the world. And so that’s kind of why I wrote the book, because I wrote some books. So I hope I can get other people to realize that if you put the thought and effort towards what you want, you can achieve it. You know, we’re all given everything to me. And if you put the action and the proper thought towards it, you will be given those things. I know, when I started doing it, after my wife passed away, I believe that will just give me everything. I, you know, work and my brain chemistry. And, you know, when I had that positive attitude, and I really protection for us, and it’s just like, whatever any kind of showed up. So I felt very blessed. Today, I feel extremely blessed. Right, this very building, it’s not like, there is a more, but it’s not like, I don’t have enough you.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Right? I mean, you get to you get to a great point. You know, but again, to so it looks like looks like sounds like what it was like, you know, why am I here? Right? What you’re searching for meaning, you know, I mean to, you know, Man’s Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, right? Like, what are you? You’re searching, right? You know, what, if you’re going to take away the things that the, you know, what was making my life so great, then why am I here and kind of searching for purpose is kind of what I’m hearing. And then you’re talking about, you know, the idea of, you know, kind of thinking and taking action. But what about the effort and effort doesn’t have to be like this extreme effort to have to really try superduper hard and like all my waking hours does that need to be? Is that how we get things? Or how, you know, what is your recommendation in regards to that?

Rick Thompson 12:19
Well, I think it’s more, there’s a conscious mind and its subconscious mind. And the conscious mind thinks, and it can think about stuff, but it takes a ton of energy and your body’s chance to physically try to reduce energy. So it will use everything in the lower levels again, so you, they tell you, like 10% of your brain, you only use 10% in your brain. But the truth is, you’re only using 10% of it consciously, you’re using 90% of it, subconsciously. So what really creates a future for us is what we totally believe. And it kind of says in the Bible, what you believe in as if it’s already happened, will be yours. So that belief is a subconscious belief, not a conscious belief. It’s when you automatically throw the football and it goes through where you want, you didn’t think about it, it just happened. And the same thing goes for things you want in your life. If you want something special, or you you got to believe in it in such a way that it exists for you. You can see it in people that have been successful. It’s like, Man, that guy just goes through life, he doesn’t put any effort into it. And it just all happens for him. That’s the way it needs to work. Because if you believe 1% subconscious, then you’re putting very little energy into it. But if you’re thinking about it and trying to force it, then it doesn’t really come to you. So that’s why people say, I put all this thought and energy into it. But you just can’t pound it in you got to kind of like, be in the wave and float with it. And it’s got to come from a subconscious level not a conscious level.

Brandon Handley 13:56
Yeah, and I’ve definitely seen this show up in my life. And I guess a couple questions I would have would be you know, do you feel like you are doing it? Or do you feel like the creation, the experience is happening through you and for you. And you know, just kind of curious on your take on that.

Rick Thompson 14:18
I feel like it’s happening, too. And for me, it’s just you’re going with the flow. I think that negative energy like bad thoughts are the things that hold you back. And the main thing you got to do is kind of forgive and get rid of the negative energy. And when you can just release and let go and you become part of the the universe the world whatever God however you want to describe it. Then it just flows with it and the things you’re supposed to do and the things that are supposed to happen come to you and you have choice, kind of but you know you’re kind of set for a path you’re given powers and those ones that you enjoy are the ones you set to do your stuff. We are getting There’s a choice between what we want to do. And when you’re choosing the things that you’re best at, you’re the most happiest. So I feel like it’s letting loose and accepting the flow of the river, but paddling gently in the right direction.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So, you know, where do you feel like you first saw this happening for you in your life and began to accept it?

Rick Thompson 15:31
Well, I thought at a younger age and started to accept it, but I saw it the most after my wife died, because I put more mental energy into it. One of the things I found that, you know, can’t contentment, you don’t have to put much thought into life, or energy into life if you’re totally content. And when I was married, with my wife, and my family and kids eyes, I had a good job, I had a happy life I was loved. I was very content. And I didn’t have any need to really find a change. But then when my wife died, I had pain and suffering, and I was not content. And through that, I put a lot of effort. And because I opened my eyes and looked more, I saw things I never saw before.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Yeah, I mean, what what an example of the some of the things that you you saw that you weren’t able to see before?

Unknown Speaker 16:27
Well,

Rick Thompson 16:30
I just went to other people, and I saw people able to do things, you know, I saw people that could, I saw a guy that could look at somebody’s eyes and a picture and tell what they’re thinking, I saw people that spiritually came up to me and talked to me about my wife, and I just traveled around and I read books, I started becoming more thirsty for knowledge, because I wanted to find what it was. So I read books, and I put them together and tried to see how they fit. And then I asked different questions like what makes a man happy and successful. And I looked at those, and when I saw them, you know, I saw the spirit, spiritual world kind of open up, or we’re all connected, we’re all connected. You know, through quantum physics, if you want to think like, somebody thought of the world, and it was created, because everything’s a wave until it’s graded. Well, the person is better the world and everything was God, he thought of it. And then he was all created. And they say, the world is created in seven days. If you stand on the event horizon, and look at the creation of the universe, it would look like seven days standing there at that point. So it is possible from his perspective, that the world was really created in seven days, in our perspective, it’s not from his it could be and I just found things like that. And other people scientist, I, you know, we’re interested in when they search and try to find, you know, what puts together universe they all end up turning to God, say, there’s a creator that created everything.

Brandon Handley 18:12
Right, the I love that perspective of, you know, kind of standing on event horizon and seeing, you know, in seven days, kind of everything being created, that’s a really cool visual.

Unknown Speaker 18:26
It’s pretty cool visual. So

Brandon Handley 18:27
when, you know, so you’re in a steel cement business, right? You know, I don’t hear too many people kind of getting into this, in the steel, cement business, you know, you’re CEO of your business, and you know, how how, you know, encouraging your, your, and you’re out there right to like, what I mean by that is, you’re putting your books out there, you’re talking about this stuff. I mean, so how is this showing up in your business?

Rick Thompson 18:54
I meet several people that work for me, and I try to teach them those ways, and help them to look at the world differently. You know, one of the things I love to tell people each day is you don’t got to go to work and get to go to work, you don’t got to get up, you get to get out. You know, it’s all a matter of perspective, how you look at it, I get to do everything I do all day long. I don’t have to, if I truly didn’t want to I can say I’m not going to do that. But I’m electing to so instead of saying I have to, I like to say I get to and I teach people those kind of things one step at a time and see where they’re at in life and try to help them because everybody’s in a different arena and try to open up the world to them. So they’ll know that anything for them they want as possible.

Brandon Handley 19:40
Have you had Have you had people you know and underneath kind of like your tutelage at the company, who’ve really been able to take to this and shine and really apply it.

Rick Thompson 19:55
Well, I don’t have a very big company, but I think they all take to it and shine with it a little bit. That’s what I like to believe in my heart. You know, I always say it’s hard to see your own cell. But what I see is people are taking it in their life to become better. I’ve had several people say that it has changed their life. So I’m very grateful I, like I said, you know, we help each other become better, and the world becomes a better place one step at a time. I’m not looking for any glory or anything, but I’d sure like to see the world become a better place each day, just like I’d like to grow a bit each day. And by helping others having a better attitude, you make the world better, and they help others and so on, and so on, and so on. And

Brandon Handley 20:35
that’s great deed and your, your, your children to write How many children do you have?

Rick Thompson 20:41
I have? Well, I’m remarried. So I have to buy my first wife, and three by my second wife. So we have five children and four grandchildren. And my daughter has two and she has two. So I have my children.

Brandon Handley 21:00
Uh, thanks for not making me do the math, uh, the the, you know, so the idea of really is as a parent, right now, as a grandparent, how are you trying to impart this to your children in such a way that I can tell you right, when I first kind of had some of these moments, and first had some realizations, I’m, you know, trying to stop it, and my, you know, my kids are kind of young, but like, just making sure that they’re exposed to it. So that, to your point, right, that you don’t have to wait till later in life. To learn this stuff, right? The sooner that you learn it, the sooner you can apply it, and hopefully, you know, how you don’t have to suffer through some of the shenanigans? I did. Right? Or, you know, that’s what we’d like to impart. Right? So have you know, what’s it like sharing it with your children? And what are they? What are they?

Unknown Speaker 21:51
What are they doing with it? Well,

Rick Thompson 21:53
they’re very grateful, they’re good to me, I love my children, they love me back, I feel very grateful. They’re using it to help their lifes grow, and envision what they wanted a life and have a great family and, you know, see what they would like to receive. The grandkids are at a young age, the way I work with them is I just spend time with them, I spend as much time with them as I can. And when I see the opportunity to teach them something and they’re listening, then I try to grab hold of that opportunity. I don’t go up and try to force them to go like, this is what you need to do. I wait for the challenges in life to come along. And then I make suggestions to them. Like, you could look at it this way or that way you have a choice, and try and teach them that they have a choice, because the truth is they do learn the most, and set the most rules from the age of one to seven. So we have an opportunity to really teach them very positive thinking processes at a younger age. And that’s what I try to do is make sure they’re not putting themselves down and saying they can’t. One of the things is, you know, I have a grandson that’s playing football right now. And, you know, we want to make sure to teach him that he’s doing a good job. And he’s not putting himself down for anything he does, you know, the thing you need to look at, did you put the effort and then you did great doesn’t matter. You know, you did great if you put action towards it and proper thought. And the other thing I try to teach him is a lot of it can be thought because if you’re thinking correctly, when you’re doing stuff, you’re gonna get a better results. So what are you thinking about why you’re trying to accomplish your task. And these are the ways I go about it with stories, because I always say stories like the golden box, or other stories, our best way to impress people with different ideas. But the bottom line is I just want to have a happy life. And it’s their choice, what they really decide. I just want to help guide them in the direction that will help them the most.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 24:05
and it’s tough, right? Especially again, as a parent, and you just want them to take this stuff in and you just want to it’s like if we could just like stick a USB, and stick into our head or something and be like, hey, you’re going to need this later at some point, right? That’d be for, you know, skip over these chapters. You’re not going to need these. But if we could do that, that’d be that’d be a lot of fun. You know, what would you mean, though, you said, you know, kind of proper thought and thinking correctly? What do you what do you say? And then when you say that,

Rick Thompson 24:36
well, everybody has different rules. So you want to have good rules. You don’t want to have rules that say, you know, I’m not smart, or I’m not able to be happy. Or maybe some of the rules I see that hurt people is like, my job is to make everybody happy. Well, that’s an impossible goal. You can’t make everyone happy. So you If you make your rules too complex in life, you’re gonna fry pain and suffering about it. What you want to do is have rules like, you know, no matter who you are, I’m going to give you a smile, or I’m going to treat you with respect, I have control of that. So if my rules are like that, then I can control the world around me to a degree, people might be unhappy, or they might be sad, but it’s not going to be my fault, because I didn’t achieve it. So you just got to be careful with your rules in life and what you kind of set in on yourself, so that they’re achievable. And they’re realistic, and they’re beneficial to you. Because most of the things that getting away are going to be our rules that we have about how life should be, you know, if you’re miserable, is because your rules don’t align with your life. And you can change them, if you want. That’s the one thing we have control over. You can’t change people, but you can definitely change your rules.

Brandon Handley 25:55
So that’s great. How do I align those two?

Rick Thompson 25:59
Well, you, it’s gonna be a little bit different for everybody, because we live different lives, and we’re all different. But what you want to do is kind of feel in your heart and your soul what feels right. And when you have bad feelings. You want to say, Well, what caused? What caused me to feel icky about this or bad about that, because we all have those feelings. And then you check your rules out and say, okay, what’s not in alignment that’s making me feel that way? And what would I need to do to make that a good rule that it’d be enlightenment and would make me happy. And you review those rules, and then you would repeat them, like, whatever the new rule might be, just before you go to bed, or when you wake up, it just depends upon each person’s individual, and what they really want out of life. And how they even define words. Because the words may mean something to somebody else when they say him than they do to you. But the I am words, I am this I am that are very powerful. If I am a good man, you will go out of your way to be a good man. That’s what you say and believe. If you say I’m a bad man, you’ll go out of your way to prove to people that’s true, too. So those roles that we make for ourselves are very important to be in line with the happiness and the joy we want in life.

Brandon Handley 27:18
Yeah, see, I can definitely relate to you know, you are what you say you are, right. I mean, you really are fine. If I look back, and oh, man, oh, Jeff, those misspent youth, right? If I look back at those misfit years, when when I was like, Oh, I’m this I am that and and you know, just kind of, and doing it unconsciously and becoming exactly what I said that I was at those points in time. And it’s just unbelievable how, when you start making that choice consciously when you start saying who you are to yourself, and looking for evidence of that, right? I found that to be kind of the one of the pieces that is key here is to state who I am today, right? Who am I today? And that’s like, whoever I want to be even in the future. I already am that right? So what are the pieces that or in the future necessary for that whole thing that I have right now to begin to build on that? I found that to be super, super potent for me. But one of the you got a couple things in here too. First, you know why? Why is I am? Like so powerful? Like just saying I am Dude, what would you say there?

Rick Thompson 28:43
That’s a good question. I’m not exactly sure why I am I just know through research that I am. Because your brain is your subconscious is really one liners. So I think part of it is because it’s just a simple one line I am. So your subconscious knows what I am is and then it just connects. And it doesn’t have to have logic or reason to connect. It just connects. So the I am statements or this is true statements, or how our subconscious is stacked. And then we use those bits of information to think with. So our conscious mind least allows us to analyze and lose us a lot of energy to decide what’s good or bad, or change however we need to. But our subconscious mind is kind of like this deck of cards that’s already pre stacked. And if you get that situation, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s it knows these rules, and it’s going to give you those answers as quickly as possible. Because to jump out of the way of a car. It’s like you don’t want to think about it. You just do it. And a lot of things in life are just like that. You don’t really think about it, you do it and even some things are so well taught to us that we don’t even realize we’re doing when they happen you know you can be talking to somebody and get that funny look on your face or you say this Word, and it kind of offends them a little bit, but you didn’t even know you’re doing that you just do it. So when you get those hard feelings if you analyze them and kind of see what’s going on, it helps you to adjust. I have a story about my daughter that kind of puts that in perspective is when she was very little. I was an ironworker. You know, iron workers are tougher than iron. At work, and I would take that home. And because I was loud and forceful, she said, Dad, you kind of scare me when you know. And she told me one time, and I said, Okay, and she told me, I never talked to our studio like that again. But I didn’t know I was, it was just a habit, I brought home from work. I think a lot of us bring home habits from work and other things. You know, they kind of accomplish what you need at work, but they don’t accomplish what you need out of life.

Brandon Handley 30:52
Yeah, that’s powerful. That’s one of the things that I found to be the gift of having a child, right. Like, they always say that children are a blessing and a gift. And when you’re changing diapers, you like that, you know, like how they are. And like, you know, you want a good night’s sleep. And yeah, there’s realize that here, but I found that they are just amazing at reflecting who you are right back to you without a filter without that without that world filter that says oh, you can’t say that, right? Oh, you can’t say that to a person. Right? That kind of thing. So I, I love I love the children for that. And and how they

Rick Thompson 31:35
write they shine. You’re right. But I love it too. They say exactly what you think,

Brandon Handley 31:40
you know, sometimes it’s not so great or

Rick Thompson 31:41
chubby pop up.

Unknown Speaker 31:46
And, and, and,

Brandon Handley 31:47
and and they you know, they they will say what you say right? They’ll talk how you talk and you’ll hear them talk like you talking like oh my god, I sound like a jerk. Right? Or like, Oh, that’s rough. I live really that rough. Because you know, you have that kind of influence on them. Especially like you said, that age like one through seven super impressionable. That’s also, like you said that the kind of the age where you build some logic and reason. So what what is, I mean, we’ve got some of these logic and reason codes that had been imprinted. Like through that age one through seven. And then I don’t know, we go through like 2020 plus years, maybe 30, maybe 40. If you’re a late bloomer like myself, when you when you finally realize that, hey, you’ve, you’ve got all this logic and reason that you built up over the years, how do you how do you begin to, like, dismantle that.

Rick Thompson 32:42
Or you’d like to say you want to see the things that make you feel bad, and listen to what other people say to and you want to review your rules, because it’s a basically gets down to what did your subconscious really believe, you know, you can tell like, I’m going to be a millionaire. And your subconscious will tell you kind of like now. Now you’re not ready yet. So you can feel inside what’s really true, you know, and when, and when you get those in alignment, those feelings, you know, I’m going to do this or that and it feels right, then you’re getting the right belief behind you, and you just reinforced those, as we get older, I think it’s harder to change in, you know, that’s why as a child, it’s a gift to kind of help them teach so much because it does stay with them very easily through all their life. As we get older, we kind of reinforce it with you know, talking to herself, or, you know, I like to use music that sings good songs to you, that tells you the kind of stuff you’re trying to think correctly. I pick out certain songs in the morning to listen to that will help you get started that just kind of put that thought into you, or you can use mantras, but the hard part is to sit down and say what are my rules? And do they serve me and the people around me? And if they do then they’re good and if they don’t then we’ll Why don’t you adjust them a little bit?

Unknown Speaker 34:04
The

Brandon Handley 34:08
good music? What do you know? Are you willing to share kind of what your your your morning wake up routine music is I mean, what gets you going?

Rick Thompson 34:17
Well, I’m not really good with all the names but I have you know, I like pop and I like different music. I have a handful that ranges from you know, classic rock, country music, and I just look for things that say positive stuff. Like there you know the song This is going to be the best day of my life.

Brandon Handley 34:37
Yeah, it’s a great song. I liked it. That’s

Rick Thompson 34:39
a good song. I like that song because this is going to be the I think I like to wish people I hope this is the best day ever had and I hope tomorrow is the best they have every day because every day is the best day from here on in Godrej. Like,

Brandon Handley 34:51
right, right. Hey, listen, I mean, so for years, a couple years they’re not mine is COVID I go to jujitsu To write and and when new barriers How you doing? Do you have when you’re getting ready to spar and like how are you doing? Like, best day in my life everything is call me to this moment, right? Like, I mean, this is the right now is the best moment of my life. It’s all it’s all built up to this moment. So any other good songs that you like? I mean, I know that for me, I literally just answered this question the other day, you know, KC, and the sunshine berry walking on sunshine, right? Yeah, that’s the song that’s like, I mean, we, when you hear that song, you gotta you have no choice. You got to, you got to smile, you got to be walking on sunshine, anything else you got,

Rick Thompson 35:35
I got a ton of them. But I don’t want to offend anybody. But you know, when I die, and I’m gonna go to the place, that’s the best.

Brandon Handley 35:41
Yeah, that’s a

Rick Thompson 35:43
champion. And, you know, I have a loved ones that I like, just, you know, what loves about and different things like that. I mean, I’d be interested from the audience, because I’m always looking for new songs, what they think are the best songs because I really think that starting your day, like that, or listen to that kind of stuff really makes an impact on your subconscious way of things. And so many songs have, you know, negative impact on them and stuff. Same as movies, so many movies can have, you know, very negative implications to them. So I’m looking for stuff to put that positive in positive thinking into your brain, so I can get that positive thinking out of my brain.

Brandon Handley 36:27
So it’s funny you say that because remember al gore Al Gore, Al Gore and tipper Gore, was it remember, they were trying to get like some of that, you know, all that, you know, not bad. I wouldn’t call it bad music. But now I wouldn’t listen to it. Right. Some of the some of the stuff that I listened to when I was younger, because of, of just how influential that is on our minds. Do you remember that? Like I do, I

Rick Thompson 36:49
don’t have to say about that. Because you know, they. There’s good and bad in everything. It doesn’t matter what it is? Yeah, you know, you have a choice. If you choose in those kinds of things, there must be a reason I don’t judge because I haven’t lived your life. But that’s going to get back to what are your rules? To your rules say that you have to fight everybody that comes along? Or can you negotiate it? And yeah, like I said, I have not lived the life of the people and how they make the decisions, or why they like stuff. I just know, for me, that’s what I prefer to have happy life. And that’s what I would recommend others. But some of those tunes that are got some weird lyrics, and let’s just say they got catchy tunes.

Brandon Handley 37:41
Hey, listen, don’t don’t get me wrong. Like, there’s still gonna be days when I still play some songs and stuff, right? And and it’s interesting, because I don’t listen to music quite as quite as much as I used to. And what will happen though, is that those lyrics will pop up in my head, like the next day or a few days later, I’m like, oh, wow, I you know, I haven’t seen that in forever. But then I can also recall, just the last time I heard it, and just I’m so cognizant of what goes in now. And seeing it show up later, right, like literally planting that seed in my mind, and it shows up somewhere else later. And I think that’s the kind of kind of what we’re hearing to for you. I think another one I like to Rick is I can see clearly now. Right? That’s a good one. I like that one. What about like, a couple mantras? Do you have the what’s what’s one or two matches that you find yourself using to help you stay positive,

Rick Thompson 38:41
I like to use Have you heard of Ono Pono.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I’ve heard of it, I have not delved deeply into it and want to tell us a little bit about what that is.

Rick Thompson 38:48
So Ono, Pono is a like a Hawaiian chant. And there was this guy that went to a prison. And he was hired as the lead, you know, the director of the prison. And when he went there, it was a terrible place. And people were fighting and having all this trouble. And all he did in that prison was to take the people’s pictures, and he would do this pair of them. I love you. Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you. And he would do that in there. Because he felt like, you know, they he needed saving. By saving himself by asking for forgiveness, he’s saving them and eventually that prison, you know, it got better and better until they actually shut it down. And so those are that’s one of the things I like to do. You know, I think about all the little things I did wrong during the day or the things I said to people, and I’ll pick those people out, and I’ll do that at night. Or maybe right after I just did it wrong. And I just send that out now. I just think it makes a big difference. You know, it’s a simple jet, but I love you Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 39:53
Yeah, that’s, that’s, uh, I love that. You know, I love that. I love that story. And it’s first I’ve heard it It reminds me to of, you know, the meta meditations, right the loving kindness kind of real similar, right we send you know, no love and kindness out to somebody other people, some some that you’re having some that you’re on bad terms with some people that you don’t know at all or whatever right now close ones and yourself, right? I think that that’s always important is to, to make sure that you’re giving yourself a little little love. I mean, love yourself first too, right? I don’t know about you. But if you’re not loving yourself, then who’s gonna love you? Right? Right?

Rick Thompson 40:33
I agree. It’s kind of like the oxygen mask. I don’t put them oxygen mask, or I don’t take care of myself, how can I help anybody else? I need to take care of myself enough. So I’m strong to contribute to you.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Know, and you so you, you felt like, you know, again, you kind of fell into this stuff? Have you applied it in your business? Has your business? Do you feel like your business has been exponentially more successful? Or do you just feel more successful as a person in general, because of all that you’re doing in the way you’re employing it? Or is it both?

Rick Thompson 41:06
Both? I feel like my life is way better. I’m happy. I feel like I live. I’m grateful every day I lived a blessed life. I feel so blessed. I’d love to have everything I need. It’s a great life. And my business does well, and I help others. And I mean, it’s not the trip, it’s the journey. So the goals are always more the goals are the opportunities to go forward. I have goals to do all kinds of things in the future. Just because I want to contribute and make the most of my life. It’s not like I need more. I have everything I need today and more. It’s just fun to travel the road.

Brandon Handley 41:47
But what would you say the importance of recognizing that distinction, that you just said that they’re you know, you’ll want more? But you’ve got everything that Jordan need right now? How does that change? Kind of the effort, stress levels, etc?

Rick Thompson 42:07
Well, I think it’s, again, your rules, I think the stress level goes way down. If you can believe those things totally. Can I don’t need more, I don’t have to have this, I’m not suffering, you know, I’m not worried about this or that or that. Those things go away. And I forgive those that make mistakes and don’t hold grudges, and I get rid of that negative engine energy I feel and you write on that energy wave or that love wave, whatever you want to call it. Right? Everybody calls it different. But it’s existed for millions of years, because they talked about it. For me. The physics is different today than it was at the beginning of time. Right? We just call it different stuff and look at it from a different perspective. Right? The physics are all still the same?

Brandon Handley 42:50
No, I mean, you know, to your point earlier, I think a little bit on Nope, we talked about it while we’re here. So much, but everything, you know, God’s created everything right, you know, everything has already been created. It’s really just our awareness of it. Right. And maybe, I don’t know coalescing it through our thoughts and being able to see it, right. I mean, something along those lines, the so what made you What made you decide that, you know, you should be putting out a book. And now, as it relates to this material, why you Why now?

Rick Thompson 43:27
Well, it’s just the way life went. And, you know, you kind of the calling, there’s just something that says, hey, you should do this, you know, I thought I’d never be able to write a book. My history is not a writer, you know, I love science and stuff. But when it comes to the English language, those kind of things, I’m not top notch, I have a lot to learn. But someone came to me and said, Hey, you should write a book. And then I started thinking about what I learned. And I love the subject of science and how energy comes together and how it can help your life. And it helped my life so much. I just had that calling that how do you help somebody? I don’t know for sure what I’m supposed to do to help others. But when you get that feeling in your heart, like you should do something. I tried to do it, and I got that feeling in my heart. I should do that. So I did it.

Brandon Handley 44:14
Nice. My sounds like I mean, it sounds like to your I always get some backlash when I say, you know, following your bliss, but I mean, when you follow, I guess you’re kind of heart hearts guidance is what I guess we could call it. Are you following the guidance of your heart? And that leads to something good? Is that kind of what you’re saying here?

Rick Thompson 44:36
Yeah, I believe that. You know, we all have feelings. We all have feelings. And if you listen to them, they’ll guide you in the right path. When you go into a room you can tell rooms negative or positive. You can tell so many things in life, we don’t realize. It’s like the water crystals. You can prove that your energy does it but there’s energy there. You can when we They do statistics on good and bad things happening when they have prayer, they have perceptions. And statistically, they can prove that when they have those set prayer sessions, the bad events go down. So our energy out there that we have, connect with everybody is available. So what do you do to make that work the best for everybody?

Brandon Handley 45:22
That’s awesome. So where the title of the book again? Where can people kind of go to find it? And where should they connect with you?

Rick Thompson 45:32
The title of the book is the quantum mindset in a nutshell, and I have a webpage, that’s the Quantum mindset.com. You can go there and connect with me there. And if you look up the book and stuff, it’ll connect you to me. And through that website, that’s the best way you want to email, ask questions. If there’s something I can do to help you just let me know. I’d love to help. Awesome and who

Brandon Handley 45:55
would you say like your, your ideal reader, I guess if you know, if we were, if we were talking marketing terms, that avatar or even your niche, like, who’s gonna be picking this book up? Do you think Who’s this talking to?

Rick Thompson 46:11
I think it’s people that are trying to understand life and maybe are looking for a change and not clear whether they can really make that effect on their life. This book gives you a lot of solid facts about why this is possible physically. And if you’re looking for that kind of supporting information, but I think anybody who’s looking for to change their life with positive energy, this book is a good place to start.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Recommend I just want to say thanks for I know you’re a busy man. So I want to say thanks for stopping by spiritual dope and hanging out sharing some of your story, your insights, and you know, hopefully somebody out there is no totally influenced by our conversation today. So thank you.

Rick Thompson 46:53
Well, I hope it helps people and that’s why I’m here to help you and I’m very grateful for you having me here today. And hope you have a wonderful day, your week. Bye.

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In this podcast, we interview Kurtis Lee Thomas, Corporate Mindfulness Trainer, and the book’s internationally bestselling author, The World is Yours, The Awakening – The Secrets Behind the Secret.

Starting, Kurtis gives a message to the listeners of the podcast, “Whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first.” He also talks about the universe and the power it holds. 

Next, Kurtis explains breath-work as a healing mode and the process of dealing with emotions, stress, drama, trauma, and the emotional intelligence of dealing with things. He also discusses his experience with breath-work as compared to numerous techniques that he has tried. He explores the spiritual awakening concepts from his 3-D world and how to get a bigger picture of this world. 

He talks about his best-selling book, which he wrote after going through some unhealed trauma. 

He also talks extensively about the art of manifesting and the fact that we need to know what we want to achieve. 

Next up, Brendon and Kurtis talk about the factors holding us back. Self-sabotaging by focusing on what we don’t want and holding on to something from the past that we don’t need. Then they continue to discuss breath-work and letting go of things. Kurtis says, “you need to let go if you want to let in” and explains how stored emotions create stories. 

Kurtis discusses going from having zero spiritual experience to actually experiencing everything in a span of a month which then led him to research for 10-12 hours a day. He talks about his experiences from the spiritual world, the law of attraction, and cosmic consciousness. 

He then explains how the earth is not our home but our mission and continues with the power of breathing and its techniques. He explains how when you breathe full, you are living your life to the fullest and when you breathe shallow you are living a shallow life. 

Moving on, Kurtis talks about the idea of letting go of things and how it all comes down to comfort. He explains his idea of negative energy having consciousness and the greatest fear of its being destroyed. 

He then goes on to talk about how we live in the age of anxiety and the idea of this population being scared of the future. 

Next, they talk about the game of integration. Kurtis talks about the learning from Buddha and Jesus and integrating knowledge into this 3-D form of life. 

Towards the end, they talk about Kurtis’s experience with fatherhood and the blessing he had to raise a daughter. Ending the podcast, they discuss Kurtis’s new book.

Podcast Outline:

[00:00] Introduction 

[01:06] One message to the listeners

[02:53] Talking about the present

[06:06] The technique of breath-work

[07:54] Introducing breath-work into regimes 

[10:28] Self-sabotaging and holding on

[14:30] The power of breath-work

[16:07] The wakening experience 

[18:40] The significant personal experiences

[24:20] The power of breathing

[27:40] Letting go

[31:16] Breath-work and anxiety 

[37:15] The game of integration

[43:05] Fatherhood

[46:00] The new book: Breathwork Detox: How to Thrive in the Age of Anxiety 

Connect with Kurtis on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/manfromthestars/

Transcription below is machine generated:

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:06
Oh, man, you know, I will say every year, I have like one message, one mantra that I live by. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope I’m on today with Curtis Lee Thomas. He is a corporate mindfulness trainer and a number one best selling author of The World Is Yours. The secret behind the secret. The book has been seen in the hands of mega influencers, like Oprah Winfrey, Tony Robbins, Steve Forbes and Kanye West. Curtis is the founder of breathwork detox and just released his new book titled How to thrive in the age of anxiety and curse before we even get started. Man, I want to what what is your what’s your Instagram?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:36
handle? Man from the stars? What’s that all about? Man from the stars?

Brandon Handley 0:41
Yeah, so

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:42
I am, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:43
I love it. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 0:44
I love it.

Brandon Handley 0:45
So, before we get started, how I like to get these going is Look, man, you and I are creators, right? And the universe creates through us and creates moments delivers messages, yada, yada. There’s only one message that can come through you right now, at this time for one of the listeners, what is that message today?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:18
I’d say the first rule of karma states that whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first, you know, so that was like a big realization, you know, for me, and like, I was looking for a mentor, like I wanted, like, this billion dollar, you know, big business mentor to help me you know, you know, build my success. And I sat there and looked in the mirror. I’m like, you know what, I’m not even helping anybody. I’m not mentoring anybody? How am I going to expect to attract that if I’m not even willing to do that for somebody else. And then, so I agreed to bring somebody on, as soon as I started mentoring somebody, boom, the mentor popped in my life. So it’s like, you know, we all want we all want why, but like, you know, learn to like, learn to use the natural ebb and flow of the universe and to, you know, give and receive, you know, we got, you know, a left and a right hand, and we get a take as much as we were willing to give, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:09
that’s great. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like you get what you give.

Unknown Speaker 2:13
Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:15
and, you know, I love the idea of you know, you’re you’re big in law of attraction, if I’m not mistaken. Obviously, you know, we’re talking about the secret a little bit today. If you look at the idea of like, the tourists, right, the tourists in the field, right? And like how starts off kind of small from the inside. But as it goes out, boom, it gets bigger, and it comes back to like, no matter what, so like the universe’s force multiplier, am I right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 2:40
No, yeah, it is. Yeah, like magnetic beings, man.

Brandon Handley 2:44
Yeah. Well, so let’s, let’s, I mean, let’s start off with me a little bit, a little bit more about, like, where you’re at today, and then we’ll just kind of talk about how you got there. Right. So you just finished up, like, this new book on breathwork. And, and you’re, you know, you’re leading the field by doing like, even corporate training with breathwork. Let’s talk a little bit about not that what’s going on there.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 3:06
Yeah, man, just I just found breathwork to be, you know, literally, like the most powerful healing modality on the planet right now. You know, and through my own journey, you know, I’ve done a lot of stuff, you know, many things that were, you know, invasive, you know, like, combo, you know, putting frog poison inside of us. So you can projectile vomit out toxins, like does pretty invasive, and then go into the jungles and you know, drinking Ayahuasca for, you know, seven days, you know, seven times in a row and within nine days, like some intense stuff, and, and, you know, other modalities, healing modalities, like ozone therapy, and like, you know, pretty still biohacking stuff. And like when I found breathwork, like it was the secret sauce, because I had a five year stomach issue that doctors could not tell me what was wrong with me. I’m talking dozens of doctors, and I went to one breathwork and eradicated my stomach issue. And to the point, I was flabbergasted of like, how that was even possible. And then I hit me, I’m like, wow, the reason why these doctors couldn’t tell me what was wrong with me, is because my issue wasn’t physical. It was energetic. It was emotional. And you know, and this was at the time where, you know, I’m holding on to a certification for life coach, hypnotherapy, NLP, Reiki Master, like I have all these, these tools. And still, I was never taught how to deal with emotions, you know, how to regulate emotions, how to, you know, release the suppressed trauma and all the stuff that we all have from childhood, then, you know, we didn’t have the emotional intelligence back then to learn how to deal with it and started becoming compounded because it kept coming in. But we were figuring out how to deal with the old stuff. And I was one of those people and I got messed up. And you know, it started messing me up physically. So, you know, to me, breathwork was the Trojan horse. Like I actually was taken executives and see To the jungles, the drink I Alaska because I love to give people an experience and I want to give people their results that are immediate and undeniable. You know, and in, you know, I Alaska does that. But it’s you know, you got to take time out, you got to go to the jungle, you got to get a shaman, but breath works like the Trojan horse, you go in there, just say, hey, let’s breathe today, you know? And then these have these profound cathartic releases. And you know, you got dead metal tryptamine Yes, accreting and people are like, you know, dreaming while awake and having these epiphanies and realizations and healing traumas, all from breathing. So I’m like, okay, the world needs to know about this man.

Brandon Handley 5:39
No doubt. You know, I recently, within the past, probably six months, maybe the past year, right? Because I can’t I can’t understand what happened with the timespace contain with 2020. The breathwork, right. You showed up in my life? No, first, you know, I think most people right now. It’s like Wim Hof The Iceman. Right and his story. And then um, you know, another place that it showed up for me was, and I was actually a little disappointed I’m not gonna lie I looked at you know, you listed out these breathworks need to add one is the Japanese breast called like hora h A Ra. And I was reading this book by like, you know, some German dude. And then next thing I know, I got a buddy of mine who’s who’s just started doing some breath work and, and I had my hands out, I was like, just like everything else, right? Just like everything else, right? Like in this self development phase. Now, I’m cool. I’m gonna be good. I’m gonna be over here. I breathe in pretty well, my entire life. I don’t need what you got, right. But what happened was a buddy of mine. You know, he’s like, I’ve been going to the saint is awesome. I was like, Alright, I’ll fucking go. It’ll be fine. And I went, and mind blown dude. I’m like, Mind blown. I don’t have I lost experiences. But I had plenty of other like you call them evasive experiences, or? We’ll call it that and plenty of them and many different varieties. And the beauty of this, this breath work that you’re talking about is just that right? It’s clean. And it’s comes from breathing. Exactly.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:16
Everybody’s everybody’s holding pain, how we all

Brandon Handley 7:20
first, sir, for sure. The breath works pretty amazing. And so you were already kind of out on the, in the front end of kind of like this exploratory space, though. With your life coaching with Reiki and the doing the law of attraction, right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:41
Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:44
Just so you know, bring that up, because you’re kind of already out there in the forefront and having these conversations so what happens like when you when you when you start bringing breathwork to it?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:53
Yeah, well, I realized like, once, you know, my whole first book, The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret was all about awakening, spiritual awakening. And, you know, it could help anyone at any level, you know, awaken, awaken from their slumber of what’s really going on in the world, you know, the 3d world, the spiritual world, it kind of just really gave a good breakdown of the overall bigger picture. And I realized once you start waking people up, you know, the next thing, they’re like, Okay, I’m awake. Now I can see all my stuff my lights turned on. Now, what do I do? I mean, like, life isn’t all peaches and cream, after you wake up. And I was like, wow, we can always people up and you know, their lifes are better. You know, they’re there. Because, you know, when you wake up, you start researching crazy, go pretty much insane, you know, for a good phase of your life. So I’m like, I need to come up with a tool. And of course, like, you know, I didn’t, I found it through my own pain and suffering and, and then I found that tool. And that’s why I wrote the second book because I was like, it was meant to be like a gift for all the people that I woke up Okay, now, here’s how you can like work through all the traumas and stuff and you know, in in the crazy information that you have to disseminate now that you’re awake, and but I did realize something like I realized some super important and powerful from teaching breathwork for the last decade, I’m sorry, I’m teaching the law of attraction for the last decade, and I realized that the majority of people self sabotage their manifestations. And what I learned is that you know, I really don’t have to teach anybody how to manifest because they’re already manifesting. Everybody right now listening to this in this very moment you are manifesting the mechanics are

automatic.

I can remind you that you get to have some clarity you have to remember and know what you want because what you want is up to you but how and when you get it is not okay and then you got to be able to you know, be able to feel the will see the visualizations of it. If you can’t see yourself achievement achieving that, then who else can and then if you’re able to see yourself achieving Then you’re able to feel the emotions. And that is what activates it and sends that beacon out into the universe, you know, and then you have to become aligned with that and take some sort of action that’s going to give, you know, be the breadcrumbs to you achieving what you need to achieve. That’s the mechanics of it. We do it every single day, the small things and big things. But the reason why people say I want this, I want this, I want this and they’re not getting that is because they’re self sabotaging. Now, they’re doing that for two reasons. One, they’re focusing, they’re really focusing on the things that they don’t want, instead of the things that they do want. And we just kind of do it naturally, because our brains are hardwired that way. And I read a study that said, you know, 80% of our thoughts, humans are negative in nature. And 98% of our thoughts every day are the same thoughts we had the day before. So we’re on this shitty hamster wheel, recycling these crappy thoughts every single day. And most of it is worry, doubt fear, lack scarcity. And we’re focused on the things we don’t want to happen. We’re not tapping in to the vibration, of visualizing and feeling the feeling of already achieving and having what it is that you want. That’s the secret. It’s easier said than done. I get it. But why is that the wise important? Why do we keep doing that? And it leads me to the second thing, and that was the game changer as far as manifesting. And what I learned is that people are self sabotaging because they’re still holding on to the junk, to the old limiting beliefs to the old trauma to the past breakups to the partner screwed them over all the stuff that they weren’t given the tools of how to emotionally heal and to let go and forgive. Yeah, we know forgiveness is the root of all healing. But How the hell do you forgive? Where’s the booklet on that? You know, it’s like, I didn’t learn that stuff. And it wasn’t until breathwork that I realized, wow, I’m my own healer on my own everything. And that’s what I want to do. I want to empower people to do the same because that breathing technique goes into literally every Nadi in your system 72,000 Noddies in your system, and clears out all those emotional blockages. This is why you got a roomful of 100 people in a breath work, and you got 85 of them breaking down in tears. I don’t care who you are, how bad acid you are. I’ve done this in prisons, I’ve done this for NFL players, I’ve done this for war veterans, you get the baddest people on the planet, you show them this breathing technique, they’re going to break down. And they’re going to do it gladly, because it’s stuff that they’ve been holding on, that’s just so heavy that you just can’t hold on to no more because it’s weighing you down. I mean, it’s it’s literally blocking your manifestations. And once you clear out all that stuff, I know you’re able to land or take off, like think about it, we all want to take off somewhere, but you cannot take off the you know, those people will not let you take off unless you clear the runway, you know, air traffic control would not let you take off unless you clear the runway. And if you try to land somewhere in life, then that runway has to be cleared. You need to let go so you can let in. And what happens is when that junk still sitting there, you know, occupying the space that you’re the good stuff wants to come in. Right? What does that airplane do? It starts circling it circles, it circles until the runway is clear. And that’s why we feel like we’re going in circles and we’re on this hamster wheel. It’s not because the the why the reason why people are self sabotage is because you got to let go of the stuff that’s blocking the way for the good stuff that you want. That’s it, release and let go.

Brandon Handley 13:33
Who cares? I work so hard for all these, you know, emotions and all these things, right? This is my story. You know, this is this is, uh, you know, I am this way because of the breakup, I am this way, because, you know, he kept all my CDs, I am this way, you know what I mean? So,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 13:53
let me say this off of that, that is important, and what you what you’re hitting on, and it’s the cause of it, actually. Because you know, and the reason why people don’t heal isn’t because of their biology. It’s because of their biography, the same bullshit story, they keep telling themselves over and over again, you know, even if it’s true, that’s what’s weighing them down. That’s what’s holding them back. And, you know, stored emotions create stories. And when we learn to get rid of those emotions, the stories go with them, and we learn to get rid of the stories, those stored emotions go with it. But I realized, the key with the breath work is it gets the emotions out. And then the stories come up and you realize that bullshit and you stop saying them and you create a new narrative

Brandon Handley 14:42
in your life. That’s awesome. So you get I mean, you know, through through the power of breath work, you’ve got a kind of a release mechanism, a recharging mechanism. And, you know, if you did it right, then you know, your head was supercharged. Right and And, you know, you kind of you got these visualizations and you haven’t experienced that. Even if you’ve done iosa even if you’ve done copious amounts of shrooms or anything else like that, in your life, this experiences is wholly different than that, right? And it’s, um, not a big one to say, elevated, it’s an elevated experience, though, right? And, and all senses of the word because again, it’s something that you just did just by breathing, you elevated your whole sense of being just in that moment, right? And, and you super, super, really got past your stories and your bullshit, right? And again, um, so you know, what I’m really curious about, though, too, is you talked about your awakening experience, right? I think that what’s what’s kind of interesting about these awakening experiences is that they can happen at any time in your life. And it sounds new, you’re younger than me. But that doesn’t mean like, you can’t, you can’t have that experience, right? It doesn’t matter how old you are, you can it can come at any time. So I’m curious to hear kind of about what your awakening experience was. because like you said, when you have that you’re like, I gotta go figure out what just happened to me. What just happened to me, and they like, you got to go learn so much stuff, right? Like, alright, well, this, you know, it’s totally real, because it just happened. right to you. Right? And so, tell us a little bit about that. And then like, you know, kind of what you did to get your, your sea legs back, right.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 16:33
Man, I’ll say that I had the most because I’m a very stubborn minded, Capricorn logical, analytical, so the universe had a knock me upside the head in every direction. And I went from having zero, you know, spiritual experiences, nothing like that would ever stand out. And within a matter of three months, I had every single spiritual experience you can imagine. And because I believe that they happened all at the same time, it caused me this, like, shattered my world, my reality, my life went upside down. But really, I later found out it was turned right side up. And I started researching and, you know, luckily, I had a little money saved where, you know, it shook me so much. I didn’t work, I think, for that for the rest of that year. And I was researching literally, probably 10 to 12 hours per day, every day, while I was getting headaches and migraines, it was pretty bad. And, and yeah, I became obsessed, because I have that obsessive, you know, personality. And when I need to learn something, it’s like, I got to go all in. And at the time when I was when I was awakening, which is probably 1010 years ago. I remember searching stuff on YouTube. And I searched at all like all the spiritual alien, weird stuff that was there. I got I consumed all the content, literally, all of it, where I was waiting for people to post I had notification I’m like, like, when’s people going to post like, I’m searching for that I couldn’t find the information. Now, today. I mean, I’d have to live, you know, 1000 lifetimes to be able to watch all the videos that are out there.

Brandon Handley 18:11
Yeah, no, amen. Man. I mean, I saw I saw on your pictures too, like you’re hanging out with Bruce Lipton. He was definitely part of my, you know, experience of like, hey, I’ve got to go out there and learn everything, all the all those all of his videos, and all that kind of content. So what would you say? Like, what were some of those specific experiences that if you could share any of that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 18:35
Sure. I’ll give me like the top the top one. So, you know, one was, I had no idea about the spirit world. And my brother had passed away, and it was sudden, nobody knew who did it. It was a homicide. And I ran into a psychic. And she, you know, I didn’t believe in psychics at that time. And long story short, she connected to him, I had a conversation. I didn’t, I was very skeptical, then all of a sudden, I’m like, Whoa, this is him. Like his personality was coming through. He was telling me things that only only me and him knew. And I was like, wow, like, how does this How is this all possible? And then he told me like the like, What happened to him? You know, and who did it? And it was pretty wild. And you know, Nobody. Nobody knew. And I was the only person that then you know, had this conversation. And then two weeks later, they ended up catching the people that kill them. And it was the same names he told me in the session. And I was like, What in the world? Like, how is this possible? So now, I’m like, want to learn about like the spirit world. So that was like one part. And then you know, I I started learning about the law of attraction, I read the secret. So now I started becoming more empowered. like wow, like my thoughts can really turn to things like oh yeah, this happened. And then the universe shows you more synchronicities and some weird stuff started happening and then The railway stuff started happening where I started astral projecting. So at nighttime was like, I didn’t know your soul can leave your body without dying. Like, nobody taught me that I didn’t read that in the manual. And I started having those lucid dreams. And then I actually seen a UFO, several UFOs. And then I learned about something called sci fi, which is Close Encounters of the of the fifth kind where these people from around the world, they’ll go to undisclosed locations, and they’ll call in extraterrestrial ships. And I’m like, this is a thing, like, like, Where’s the How much is it? 300 bucks take my money, like, I just, I’m going like, even if it’s like, just to prove myself. And sure enough, Bro, I went to this training in Joshua Tree. And there was a three day training and every single day the ship showed up. And I was like, wow, is this not in the news? How I was not people talking about this, I got a cool little certification, C five, certified basler that I you know, I don’t think I can show that to too many people. But like, This all happened in like, three months, you know, it’s like, and so now my life is like, completely. And you know, what, and I’ve mentioned the ET thing, because what really happened is when I when I saw the UFO, you know, it was like, from one moment to the next I was changed person. Because what happened in my brain, if I can articulate it is I was like, wow, you know what? Anything is possible. Anything is possible. And like I realized at that moment, oh, this is why this is the most top secret thing in the government that they don’t want you to know is because if people knew the truth about ETS, it literally expands your consciousness faster, and more efficiently than any other truth that I ever had. It’s like you just shattered this glass ceilings. And next thing you know, you got cosmic consciousness. So I started to stop thinking in 3d. And earlier you asked me, Why do I call myself man from the stars, is once once I started researching and understanding the totality of who I am, why we’re here, what’s really going on the you know, the greater narrative of galactic history because, you know, people whose there’s people out there still believe Christopher Columbus discovered America. I mean, the guy was given a map that was already drawn out. And when he got there, people were already there. So How the hell did we buy this when we were kids, you know? So it’s like, they don’t we don’t even know. And if you look at the history here in the United States, and you go to China and Russia, you’re looking at completely different histories. You know, it’s written by the victors. So forget about we don’t even know world, US history, nevermind world history, forget about galactic history. And what I learned about it is that, you know, Earth is, is not our home. It’s our mission. There’s a lot of light warriors, you know, in lightworkers, who came here with a very specific mission. And right now people are stepping into their power. This is why you’re here, this is why you have this podcast, this is why you created the space. This is why you have these listeners, this is why we do what we do. And it’s been culminating and building up to something bigger,

Brandon Handley 23:04
which is right around the horizon. And, you know, this is this is why we do what we do. Now, that’s powerful, right? It’s great that you say that right? When you when something is shattered, right? And the illusion of something shattered like that, then that opens up a whole bunch of other possibilities. It just says, Well, if that’s not real, if everything that I’ve been told up to this point, you know, in this one moment, this is a pretty big moment for you. And if that’s not real, then your mind blown, right? But the the other part of it, too, is what you do right now with the breath work. You don’t even know how to breathe, what else have you been doing wrong? And that’s the thing that you do every single day of your life. Right? I mean, that’s, I mean, that’s Sorry, I got to it that it sort of was like I was like, we’re not even breathing, right? I mean, when we’re not.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 24:00
When you say that, it’s literally like, like, we actually do something called paradoxical breathing. So like, if I have a room and I’m teaching like 200 people in a room and I say, Hey, everybody on the count of three, you know, put your hand on your belly, put your hand in the chest and the count of three, everybody take the deepest breath, and they everybody goes through that. And you see all that chest fills up and not one belly moves. But guess what, if you ever watch a fish or dog or a baby, if you watch them breathe, when they take a breath in, the only thing that moves is their belly. Hmm. And that’s how we’re supposed to breathe, posted, breathe through the diaphragms and, and hit that power center because the belly is where 80% of our serotonin is produced, is where 80% of our immune system, you know, is so it’s like the two things we crave the most is what held that happiness, right? And it’s located in the guy without even breathing in there. And we actually do it on purpose. Subconsciously on purpose, if that makes sense, is because the stomach is where we house our emotions. And so what happens is we store a lot of trauma there. So people subconsciously don’t want to breathe into that area because they don’t want to feel the pain of life. But what happens is, when you do that, you also stop the pleasures and the joy of life. And that serotonin production in your immune system, and you know, we got to breathe full, because when you breathe full you out, you live a full life. And when you breathe shallow, you’re living a shallow life. Like, it’s all everything is connected to everything else, that how you do anything, is how you do everything. So it’s like, you know, when people come to my breathwork sessions, that we talked about this earlier, I said, you know, life life and breath work is like an ATM. You know, you’re going to get out of it, what you put in, you know, so we got, we got to do deep breathing, we got to do conscious breathing, and I know it sounds so like, like flimsy. wimzie. Like, oh, yeah, come and breathe with me. It’s gonna change your life. Or, hey, come take this walk with me, brother. You know, Brandon, come take this walk, I’m gonna change your life. It’s like, Come on now. But when you go to this breathing venue, like we have just socks get knocked off. You don’t know what the heck hit Yeah. And your life changed? And, you know, 30 minutes?

Brandon Handley 26:07
Yeah, no. 100 100%, right. You know, just like kind of like all these other things like where you set an intention for the those breathwork sessions and you come out of it. And some of that stuff’s already been done. you couple that with the power of, you know, kind of law of attraction and thoughts create things. And when you couple that with know, the emotional outlet and the visualization of a breathwork session, you’re like, not hyperdrive, right, like, I mean, it’s Yeah, it’s gonna happen one way or another. And that’s, um, you know, I just think another, another tool that I, you know, I, you know, I’m curious. Now. Now, of course, I’m like, none of us good enough. Now. I’m like, now I’m like, Alright, well, what’s next? Right?

Unknown Speaker 26:53
Because Yeah, the law

Brandon Handley 26:54
of attraction, things is pretty well figured out. Right? Like, you’ve got that pretty much nailed down. I think one of the things that’s important too, is like, you talked about it kind of in the earlier right, let go stuff so so you can let other stuff in. Right. And that’s kind of like another piece of the law of attraction, like people are holding on to what they’ve got what already is, right? versus like, you know, the possibility of what could be and they’re so afraid to let go of all the things they don’t even want. Exactly, right. There’ll be like telling you like, oh, that thing, I hate that this thing, I hate this, I hate this, that the other thing, but I’m, I’m afraid to let go of it to get what I actually want. I mean, talk to me a little bit about through that, and like kind of how you get people past that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 27:41
I mean, that is like the ultimate paradox of life, right? It’s like, you know, we want all these things, but we’re afraid to let go of the things. And it really comes down to the emotion, if you’d call it that of comfort. We become comfortable with the pain in the brain, the brain is not designed to make you smart, and make you all this money. The brain is designed to keep you safe. And it keeps you safe by keeping you comfortable, it keeps you in a comfort comfort zone. That’s why whenever you venture outside your comfort zone, the brains like Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? It’s like, you know, fear, doubt, failure, all these like little missiles coming at you trying to prevent you. And you got to overcome that, you know, and even with breathwork, you know, the hardest part of breathwork is the first, you know, eight to 10 minutes, and all the things that’s going on behind the screen of your awareness comes to the forefront, and the brain literally tries to prevent you from continuing the breath work, being to have a breakthrough, because it’s afraid, you know, that it’s going to be eliminated, you know, you can kind of connect this to ego, we can get a little bit deeper, because I had this philosophy that negative, heavy and negative energy has consciousness, you know, it’s a dense consciousness, and its greatest fear that it holds is the fear of destruction, fear of elimination, and I learned this taking people to the jungles of Peru. And when I noticed, you know, to 23 people, you know, you’d have almost every single person would have these stories of how it was almost impossible for them to get there. And it was because, you know, all these things came up that tried to prevent them from getting to the jungle to have this experience. Because that energy inside of them, which is a part of them was had consciousness in it knew it was going to the jungles to be eliminated. And it did everything to prevent that person from having that breakthrough because it feared death. Right. So I think that the two reasons is is one that energy that that’s in us, it we’re comfortable with it and went to the point where well we’re willing to hold on to it because we’re afraid of the unknown. We’re afraid what’s next, even if it could be good you You know what whatnot. And then the other thing is, you know, the consciousness of these energies that are inside of us that are living that we’re looking to get out. You know, these traumas have have stone stories in personality. And you know, they don’t want to leave. So you got us the comfort, the comfort, and you got the the energy of that that does not want to leave. And when you take those two together, a watch is why it’s so hard for people to let go. And the reason why the breath works so powerful because all you got to do is sit down, lay down and breathe. And you push that stuff out of you. It’s like, Oh, you Listen, don’t worry about just breathe, and it’s gonna come up. It’s gonna release. You might cry. You might laugh, but it’s coming out.

Brandon Handley 30:43
Yeah, man. It’s like a second neuro blast. Right. I love that. That idea, though, of kind of negative energy having its own kind of lifeforce, right? It’s kind of like, Hey, I’m going to show up no matter what you do. And you have to try like hell to get rid of me, like a grease stain stuff worse. But um, yeah, I think that one of the stories that, you know, you talked about, yeah, I think that’s really interesting. But one of the things that you talked about, too, was, you know, how does breathwork help out with anxiety? I think you’ve got a little bit of a story about that as well.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 31:17
Yeah, you know, they say that we right now we live in the world of anxiety. You know, this is the age of anxiety. And I remember five years ago, I read an article that said, By the year 2020, anxiety, depression will be the number one disabilities worldwide, not even United States. And right now we’re in 2020, what are we in 2021. And that has fully manifested that prophecy. And, you know, anxiety is the number one, this was pre COVID these when they these statistics came out. So imagine like, now we got suicide at all time rape, and how I feel why breathwork So, so powerful. Well, let’s look at anxiety because I had anxiety and I had panic attacks. And I feel like they’re connected. Because, you know, I tell people that make sure you kill the monsters while they’re small. Because what happens is stress is what you really need to look out for, because stress, when it goes unchecked, turns into anxiety. And when anxiety goes unchecked, it turns into panic attacks. And, you know, all, you know, kind of stress and anxiety in particular, what is anxiety? Why do we have it? It’s fear of the future. You know, so the body, the body tends to live in the past. Right? The minds tend to live lives in the future, you know, the soul wants to be present. So when we have anxiety, it’s because our brain is going somewhere in the future. We keep going in the future. We go, here we go. We’re overthinking. We’re overthinking. And, you know, those thoughts kind of just circulate us. They’re, they’re around us. 24 seven, and with the breath work, you know, when you go in and start like meditation. Meditation is to me, is an advanced practice. And why do I say that? I say that, because if you try to, in the age of anxiety, if you try to get somebody, which is almost everybody who’s stressed out, you know, to sit down, sit still, and don’t think about for the next 20 minutes, you’re going to be more stressed out the fact that you can’t do it. So and what are you trying to do in meditation, you’re trying to take all these 55,000 thoughts that you had during the day, and you’re trying to calm them into the from the frantic ocean into a calm you know, peaceful Lake without a ripple in it. Cool. If you can do that by praise you great job. Now breath work, you take in this crazy, you know, thoughts, and every going through your head, and you stop breathing and you’re pushing them out of your energy field, instead of waiting for them to settle. You’re literally taking an action which is great for OCD people, you know, all these like overachievers, and people who can’t focus and your ATD ADHD like those people breathwork is great. Because you give you some self something to do. And you just pre Breathe, breathe, and you push those thoughts out. And that clears away a lot of the the anxiousness that people have. And then a lot of the things that have been trapped in the body because the issues are in the tissues that does traumas we store them in the body. And when you start to clear that stuff out, which is causing a lot of the anxiety, it’s all it’s all connected. And you know, I see people, you know, completely eradicate, you know, their their anxiety or panic attacks, you know, from breathwork. And I was, you know, I was one of them. This is why this is why I’m here. Yes.

Brandon Handley 34:37
I mean, it’s all part of what you do. I know you shared on another show the straw method. What’s another one that you like, for somebody that’s anxious or maybe just trying to get a little bit of focus on the day?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 34:50
You know what the one that I like, is that sounds stupid to everyone but it’s actually my favorite is the sigh it’s the most over Like underrated, you know, a tool is because if you’re just in the insane your car, you just take a deep breath, right? And just let out this loud obnoxious sigh. And you do that, like, let’s say three times in a row, your energy state is going to change. Because you have to look at the body like, why does the because we side naturally, you know, why does the body sign naturally, when we sign naturally, it’s to relieve pain. And stress from the body it releases is the pressure valve to release pain and stress, have you experienced something really stressful the body. When it’s all done, it’s like the pressure valve. So release. Now, if you can consciously do the psi, and utilize that pressure valve release, it’s like you’re gonna change your state throughout the entire day, just by doing that one breathing exercise every single day through three sides at a time, three times throughout the day, nine sides a day, and you will notice a difference.

Brandon Handley 36:04
That’s perfect. Because it doesn’t take a long time. No, it’s not hard to remember. And and, you know, you can do it just about anywhere, right in between. I know, for myself on my day job, right? I mean, I’ve got today for mattify as on calls from 10am to 6pm. Right, back to back. All right, but there was enough time in there for me to make a bagel sandwich. And I could have also, you know, side three times if I needed to, right. So I could have, you know, just kind of brought myself back to just like, just a couple of times, I’m sure that like I might have done it on calls. And that might not that yeah, that’s not cool. So make sure you get an in between calls. So I think that that’s, you know, that’s really practical, something you can apply, like, anywhere, anytime. So thanks for sharing that. You know, again, a big part of this, too, is like, you know, we talked about, you know, pulling all the spiritual stuff and and integrating it right, I talked me a little bit about your practice on how you, you’ve been able to do that for yourself.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 37:07
I truly feel that integration is the name of the game. And being able to integrate is the game. Like ultimately, if you look at like, let’s say the most spiritual people to ever walk the earth, you know, you call them avatar masters, you know, enlightened avatar masters, you know? And what are these people do? Right? Oh, let’s start with an ego Why didn’t they ever have Native Americans love the eagle as a powerful Totem because it can fly superduper high. And what that represents is the ability to go up in the higher esoteric metaphysical realms and, and see life from a higher vantage point, higher consciousness, and then also that animal that can fly higher than most birds, it can land the ground, and walk the ground with the creepy crawlers. You know, and that is the integration that is, you know, the avatar, what do they do, you know, they, they get enlightened, you know, they ascend, you know, and they can, you know, they can ascend to heaven, they get all this information of you know, who they are, they don’t have to come back. And when they choose to come back and embody in physical form, you know, that’s truly where they’re, where their power is to take that higher knowledge and integrate it into, you know, physical form and deliver it in a way where the people can understand, because you don’t have to talk circles around people, you don’t have to act super smart, like look at all the parables and, you know, the metaphors, the simple ones, you know, that Jesus and Buddha used, and as they’re around now, because they’re so simple, you know, it’s because people can understand them, people can relate to them, but they went all the way to those, those higher planes, but they were able to integrate, integrate that knowledge back into, you know, this 3d 3d form. And that’s the value that I see around integration. So like, you know, how do I personally, you know, integrate a lot of things I think I do, kind of like, naturally that I don’t even, you know, realize, you know, my daily practices, you know, are the breath works, you know, that that’s the, you know, that’s what kind of brings me up, but it also grounds you, when you start breathing into the belly as well, it does be grounded to the earth. There’s things I do outside, I go outside and barefoot on the grass, and I put my feet in there, you know, and I just ground myself I connect to the, to the light in the in earth, a lot of people, you know, they know we have the sun, but they don’t know that there’s a light in the center of the earth. And I connect to that light and that helps ground me, you know, to Earth consciousness because I used to just focus on like, Oh, you know, I can open my crown chakra I could open my third eye chakra I need these spiritual gifts, you know, and you just focus on all the Shockers and like, I realized that’s not what the power is. It’s like when you want to manifest, you can’t manifest unless your root chakra is grounded. And this is why you see these all these spiritual people they say, you know, they’re all in the heart and they like lie in love and you know, the third eyes open but You’re broke. And the reason why they’re broke is because their root chakra, they can’t manifest they’re not connected to the earth. Well,

Brandon Handley 40:09
I mean, I think I think it’s a number of things, right? Like, it’s not being grounded, right, just like you’re saying, right now. It’s not being grounded and just just not not integrating, right? Yeah, they’ve gone up. But then you come back now,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 40:25
yeah, you gotta come back down and get back down to everyday life. And you know, what part of that is being human. And, you know, I know you meet some people, and they get a spiritual stick shoved up their ass. You know, and I never wanted to be the that person and even like, the work that I do, and I’m teaching, I’m on stage, and you know, I never want to be put on a pedestal. You know, and the reason why I do is because, well, first of all, there’s only one way to go from there. That’s down. And, you know, I feel like I make a practice of myself of I won’t say humiliation, because I don’t I don’t like that. humility, humility, humble, I’ll say I’ll say, transparent, you know, I just try to keep it real. I try to show people, my, my humanity, you know, at all times, and you know, I take this facade of like, Oh, you think I’m this, you know, I’m human. I’m just as messed up as you are, right now. And when I do that, it makes me human. But yet, I’m still I still have all the gifts and all the research and all the things that I’m doing to get me up there and let the shoppers but i don’t i never think I’m better than anybody. And I don’t think anyone’s better than me. You know, I just kind of stay in this place of neutrality. And I think that is that is the Yin Yang. That’s the place that you want to be, you know, between, you know, the five, you know, the five D and the 3d, you just stay stay neutral, stay grounded, stay present, and stay real.

Brandon Handley 41:53
Right? Yeah, no, I mean, look, have you seen the website yet? Right. But I mean, it really, it says that, right? It’s like, you know, don’t come at me with your patchouli, your sandals and your wooden beads were cool. You know, because there’s, there’s other things going on. And that’s that, that crowd, you know, I say that crowd, you know, I’m not trying to say that, that we don’t need them or that or this. But it can also happen in another way. Right? Like you and I are talking about right now just kind of like there’s a grittiness to spirituality and life, there’s a reality to it. And, you know, kind of not forgetting where you came from, right? And everybody, you know, the person behind you could be, you know, more advanced and a different state that you don’t recognize, and since you can’t recognize that you don’t think they’re advanced, but they’re like, way beyond you, right? And you like, you know, they like No, man, you gotta eat kale or whatever type of thing. So, so, you know, I get it. So one other question too, as we kind of wind this down, I know that, you know, you were showing me your, your drink that your daughter brought him? How is a? How are you sharing this? As a father, you know, as a parent, your children?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 43:05
Yeah, you know, um, so, you know, I’m a single father and my daughter’s 14 now, and I will say, because, I think because the chunk of my greatest awakening when I was kind of like obsessed was when she was really young. So she actually grew up around crystals and sage smoke interface, you know, and, believe it or not, she, you know, she has her own connection to angels. And, you know, I used to ask her for like, advice, like, kind of just, like, kind of desperate. And she would give me the best advice that I’ve ever got. And then she’s like, literally, when I started asking her, then she’d be like, okay, I can ask her something, and she closed her eyes. She’d look up, and she’d get the information and she’d come back. And she would say some things that was way beyond her years. And I was like, Whoa, this girl’s like channeling some some good stuff. So I kind of had my secret weapon here, you know, the entire time. And to shoot, you know, it’s been a blessing to be be able to raise her that

Brandon Handley 44:08
frickin mute button. So, the, what’s cool about that is, you know, like, You’re, you’re not, you’re not helping, you’re not diminishing her gifts. Right? I you know, I think, I think you probably agree that what you and I have gone through an awakening process is more or less coming back to ourselves, right? Whereas, you know, we weren’t shown who you were or allowed to be ourselves growing up, right? Like, Hey, shut up, be quiet. You know, don’t do this. Don’t do that. And oh my god, you stop dancing like that, or whatever, right? You know, or you can’t think this and you can’t say those types of things. So what you’re doing though, is you’re saying Alright, look, come out with your angel stuff. I mean, we’ve all got something right. What’s yours and we Got a connection? How’s it going to express itself? And that’s how she’s expressing her connection to the divine. Right. And, and your instead of you saying, You better not tell anybody about that. You maybe do, right. But like, at least you’ve got an open dialogue between the two of you with that, right. And I think that that’s really important. That’s awesome that you’re doing that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 45:19
Yeah, man, it’s great. You know, and a lot of the things like, should give me advice on business. And, you know, she told my one of my buddies, would I do book signings, she would come in, she’d set up a little table, and she’d say, $5 for reading, she’s got a good making, making money and like, eggs is totally cool. But you told one of my buddies, he need more confidence, you have lack of confidence. And the girl you’re with, she’s no good. And he’s looking at me like, dude, I wasn’t ready for that. I talked to him the other day. And he was like, dude, man, your daughter blew me away that day. She was so right. And you know, he, he never forgot that he used that to, to help him. You know,

Brandon Handley 45:56
nice, man. That’s cool. Very cool. So man. So the latest book is called,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:01
The latest book is called breathwork. detox, how to thrive in the age of anxiety.

Brandon Handley 46:07
And your book prior to that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:10
The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret?

Brandon Handley 46:13
Yeah, and where can I get those?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:14
Those are both on Amazon. So you can go on Amazon, you can. The first one has an audible, they both have Kindles, and they both have paperbacks. Who is your ideal client? My ideal client? Great question. my avatar, let’s say I, you know, I, I love people who are skeptical at first. And then they come in and their world gets rocked, you know, they heal. And, you know, then they they’re fully committed there they awaken, you know, and then they start to step into their power. And, you know, then they start to, you know, do what I do, whether it’s you know, you know, teacher trainings, or, you know, writing their own book and telling their own story and all the things that they always wanted to do, but never thought that knew anyone would listen or everyone anyone cared. I just like empowering people.

Brandon Handley 47:14
Perfect, man and then the website and where can they reach you?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:17
So they go my website man from the stars.com or they can go to my Instagram, which is man from the stars, and I’m pretty active on it. So you can send me a DM and, you know, hopefully, I can get to it.

Brandon Handley 47:34
Awesome. Paris. Thanks for stopping on spiritual dope today.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:37
Thank you so much great for having me. And yeah, that website is awesome that you have and I was

Unknown Speaker 47:41
looking forward to this

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What’s going on? What’s going on spiritual dope, how have you been? I have been pretty busy. pretty busy lately. So that doesn’t mean that there’s never enough time to be doing the doing the podcast. That’d be being said. I was doing some other things. And I got busy not doing the podcast, I also been doing 100 day mailer program, so far as to say that at this point that that is not 100 consecutive days. turns, it turns out that that’s going to be exactly what it sounds like 100 day email program. If you’re not a part of that, reach out to me, let me know. And I’ll connect you with that 100 days of being on a spiritual journey. But I shared something in there about Ani, the Franco big fan of Alan Franco. And she’s got a live album. And in that album, she just talks about life kind of happening to her and she says, I got kind of distracted right now. I’m always entertained by that. And that’s exactly that’s exactly what happened to me. While I was in the process of this, and and secondarily, when I’m doing these, I don’t want to move forward until I’m doing the we’re doing the are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar Rob doing the chapter seven. And I don’t like to move forward until after I’ve done at least at least one of the exercises, if not all of the exercises that are mentioned within chapter and I hadn’t done it. So that was why I didn’t do any podcasts. We got, we sold our house, we did a bunch of move in, downsized, outsized, whatever size and just made a move to a to a newer place. And right now we’re also in transit. Right? So we’re we are at an Airbnb for a month, people are always like, well, that’d be great, man, let’s I want to be a nomad. Maybe, maybe not depends, depends on how you want to chase that down. But so far, it’s been fun. We’re having a lot of fun, and we’re enjoying the journey. And I want to say thank you for always being here. appreciate the fact that you keep checking in and seeing what’s going on. And, you know, let’s finish this thing up, right? I know, I forget when this started, but we’ve been doing it for a while. So we are on chapter seven of Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar, Rao subtext is unconventional strategies for achieving personal mastery in business and life. And this chapter is called freedom and happiness. They ain’t what do you think? He starts off Sreekumar starts us off with a with a with a pretty cool story. And it’s kind of one that hits you in the gut, especially if you’re a parent. And basically, basically, it’s a story about a guy who is doing his job, right, who’s dedicated more of his life to his job, then then, let’s say his family, and he’s got himself into such a place where he can’t leave. He can’t, can’t leave the situation, right? Like he’s deemed integral to whatever the situation is, is going on. And his child is about to give a final performance at school, and he’s going to miss it, and he’s going to miss it, he realizes that he’s missed all the performances, and that he essentially where he is right now, he feels like he is shackled in his life. And if I can hear from any of those parents out there, going through this journey, who understand and realize that they, they, they’re missing out on some of their children’s life, because of the time that they’re dedicating to their, to their jobs. We go into name moves on into freedom, right? So the idea is that what is your definition of freedom? Right, what is your definition? Trying to think? You know, what, what does he put in here? One of the things that he puts in here and I’ve got it highlighted in the book is, you know, have you thought about the idea and the concept of the freedom from the constant desire for more How would it be wouldn’t be nice if you felt free from the need and or desire to want more, more than what you’ve already got in your life. And, you know, I personally think that that’s the one a big one right?

When you if you could drop the the idea that anything else that you You’re wanted, and be happy with what you’ve got and where you are? How would that make the war with the pressure in your life come from then? Where would the pressure in your life come from? If you dropped the desire for more? Then he moves on. Right? So the next part of the book chapter is stone walls. Do not a prison make. The idea is that you’re just like, kind of imagine the perfect day where where are you? What do you do? What would you like to be doing? What is your work? And are you pleasantly challenged by it? Do you get the opportunity to hang out with a friend whose company you actually enjoy, where there’s no tension, no sense of upmanship? Maybe never the day you get to watch a show that is purely instructive and enjoyable. You end the day with a sense of ease and wonder that you have the life that you do. And the question he poses is, Do you recall last time you had this kind of day in your own life? And do you feel like if you would like that it’s possible, right? It’s definitely possible to have a lifetime of days like this. The The idea is, and this is where the the chapter comes from title title, this sub chapter is, is you will need to escape from the prison you’re currently in. Right. So whatever it is that you’re doing right now, it’s kind of it’s kind of self imposed as kind of the idea and he illustrates this, in this next exercise, which is probably one of the toughest exercises in the book and the exercise is do nothing, do nothing for 30 minutes, sit, meditate, no humming, no audio, no other thing, you have a focal point and do nothing for 30 minutes. And the idea is that if you are not able to do this, if you’re not able to do this for 30 minutes, with your own time in your own life, how free Do you think you really are? moves on to happiness, right? So we just kind of talking about freedom a little bit there, moves on to happiness and and the gist of it is, is happiness is something that most of us we seek outside of ourselves, we also seek it from others, right? We seek the validation from others to to kind of let us know whether or not we’re happy or maybe even look at comparing ourselves to other May we compare ourselves as one as miserable or somebody we think is happy. And, and then we we put ourselves in a position to you know, there’s like a happiness gauge, if you will. And we put ourselves along there. He shares a short story from Anthony de Mello. And let me see if he tells us who and Melo is. psychotherapists and Jesuit priest, Anthony de Mello, pretty pretty, I think, fairly well named no name in this space, if you’re not familiar, check them out. I haven’t really checked them out beyond this, and hearing them quoted from place to place. The idea is, when you are living your life, are you doing something for that innate soul feeling of joy that often comes from giving or being is simply being happy for who and where you are versus the being recognized by somebody else or some, you know, a group. So when you’re doing something to be recognized, right? You’re doing it so that somebody says, oh, great job, and that’s where your happiness comes from. Right? So the validation from somebody else that tells you that what you’ve done is in accordance and allows you to be happy or maybe gives you an applause because you’ve been on stage missing doing anything. Or maybe even at work, right, you get your happiness because you’re your boss thinks that what you’ve done is great. And so now you’re happy. The idea though, it’s pretty powerful. That he kind of gives, he outlines here is that when you’re doing some of these things for outside of yourself that these are,

where’s it good to hear. the true nature of worldly feelings are they are not natural. They were invented by our society to make you productive and make you controllable These feelings do print do not produce the nourishment and happiness is produced when one contemplates nature enjoys the company one’s friends or work. They were meant to produce thrills, excitement, and essentially emptiness, right, because even at the end of the day, if you come home and, and you’re excited about maybe the accolades and something else that work, and there’s really nobody else gets it, but you, I don’t know that that’s here, maybe maybe that’s not where he’s going with this. But the idea is, that’s not really true happiness, and that that’s not really I don’t think long lasting. So he, he also illustrates it with this other story of CEO who’s worked for 20 years to reach the level of CEO. And then right as he kind of transitions into that ball, you know that that role, a company gets bought out, company gets bought you imagine working here and tired, 20 years to reach level CEO. And as soon as you reach that level, the company gets bought, and essentially, you get canned. Put yourself in that position. And then just just imagine, like, how hard that must hit you? And how would you feel? Would you know, the thing that you strove so hard for and even granted just for a moment? Because taken away? What does that do for your sense of happiness, right? He also says, Here, look, there’s nothing you have to get in order to be happy. So I think the best example of that is right now you could, if you really wanted to recall a moment where you were happy and feel happy right now, if you want it or take a look around you and see what you have that’s available to you that might not be available to anybody else. And you, you might be able to find happiness, right where you are, right now, in this moment. talks about the power of brainwashing, right? I think that you know, that there’s a lot in this chapter. So, so the idea of if we say that, you know, you can be happy right now. And if Happiness is your innate nature, then why are you filled with anger and sorrow. And it’s because of this mental model that we’ve been fed over and over again, of we are better if we are successful, right? You are incomplete, and your life is incomplete. And you know, we’ve got all these marketing products and solutions that help you to manufacture your needs. If you even if you look at some of these marketing materials and, and sales materials, you’ll you’ll see that this is true, you know, some somebody creates a situation shows that somebody is happy. And and By comparison, you don’t you’re not supposed to but you’re going to no matter what By comparison, you see somebody who’s happy and joyful and smiling because they’ve got a thing, or, or a product and and you think that you do you need that in your life, right? That’s a manufactured need. is a hot dog happening here. So let’s see. So it evolves around your own life and patterns, trying to look here at why I jotted this down, right. You know, your life and patterns of consumptions, you’re absolutely convinced that, you know, you need to maintain your particular quote, unquote, standard of living and maybe improve on it right. So, again, this is this is kind of like just what we’ve been fed, right? You believe and just for, he says, Hey, you believe that you were immune. And the deal is you swallow at all. And the thing is, you are not paying attention, right? So

this is this is the idea of conscious behavior conscious and being woke doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve just connected to your spirituality, consciousness. mentality means that you’re paying attention now to the shit that’s going into your brain. Right? You’re paying attention now to the thoughts that you accept and who the authorities are and what you’re what you’re willing to believe. And you’re paying attention now to the stories that you’ve told yourself historically, and the stories that you’re going to keep telling yourself but so I don’t want to make it all out to be just the marketers either and I don’t think that he does, and he has not just from advertising is not just from market, it’s not just from sales. This, this this brainwashing comes from your parents, from your friends, from teachers and coaches, anyone who is an authority or someone that you know, like and trust, right, this is sales one on one, this is marketing one on one, but these have all contributed to who you are, where you are, and your current situation. Now, the idea is your question these beliefs, values and these mental models and he says the answers that you find are very counter intuitive. Let me see if he gives an opportunity for you to. He doesn’t say, right here, and maybe he does a little bit. I’m just looking for a place where he says in the book that was an example of a counter intuitive answer. He does not say We’ll see. We’ll see how this keeps lead. Now. It’s been a minute, since I’ve read it and wrote down these notes, but I think, let’s see, where are we here in timing. 15 minutes. So I’ll pause this here and we’ll go and, and this one, check back in for should be just part two, maybe we get to a part three of chapter seven.

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