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Have you ever pondered upon the fact that god exists everywhere, even inside you? Do you feel that you’re capable of manifesting things for your own happiness? You’re doing your daily duties but there is always a greater calling? People like to live in disbelief and not gain the consciousness they can and agree to live the same monotonous life. But you realise you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater satisfaction?

Here’s the hard truth: you are so much more than you believe you are.

In this episode, we are joined by Sarah R Adams where she talks about his experience with the supernatural, energy and gaining consciousness.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways you can bring up your energy and gain consciousness. 
  2. Discover the importance of the supernatural and realize how the divine is inside you.
  3. Learn the significance of practicing consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Sarah talks about how it wasn’t easy to bring her knowledge to the public eye and how it was a learning process to handle it.
  • She talks about how life is hard for many people and humanity on a lot of levels and how she helps them tap into their inner self. 
  • She talks about her working experience and her journey with Gaia.
  • She mentions her experience with the death of a close one and her working experience with the Vice. 

[07:30] The Feeling 

  • Sarah talks about how she can feel the pain and suffering of other people even though they are across the world.
  • Whether we know it or not, we can always feel a person’s suffering. 
  • People need to realise that they are more than just a physical body but rather energy.
  • People need to go out and bring out the cosmic energy.

[12:36] Interacting with Mythical Beings

  • Sarah discusses how she interacts with mythical creatures just like any other human beings.
  • To interact with these beings, you have to bring your consciousness and energy up.

[15:56] Reconnecting

  • After bringing in the energy, you have to master it. 
  • People don’t know how to clear their energy and are stuck in a web.
  • To access the energy, you must acknowledge it first.
  • If you are a mess on the inside, you are a mess on the outside.

[22:10] Instructing Energy

  • Mastery can be achieved by everyone.
  • Being on the earth, is a gift given to us.
  • You need to go in and clear your energy field and create a new space for yourself.

[25:22] Books and Religion

  • Sarah talks about how she loves books.
  • The true word of god is within us and that is how we can access him.
  • Religion causes havoc and puts the wrong idea in people’s heads.
  • Everyone puts lies and the truth together to make it believable and magnetic as in the Bible.
  • Sarah talks about the matrix and the different systems explaining energy level and functioning of creatures.

[38:55] The Divine

  • We must all work together to heal the world. God is energy that flows through us.
  • We are all a part of a beautiful divine puzzle. 
  • People need to find their issues from their inner self.
  • Religion keeps people from healing. 
  • Once a person realises his powers, he is more powerful than the angels.

[44:56] God

  • If god were here, he would not put anyone above anyone else.
  • Some people are really accepting of their powers while others go on questioning their existence. 
  • Sarah talks about her reincarnations and her bodies from the different times. 

About Sarah R Adams

Sarah has experienced many things from seeing abductions to seeing angels who aided her. Her awakened consciousness increased as she got older. She experienced the supernatural and past lives in Egypt & Atlantis. telepathy, weather abnormalities, feeling others emotions, remote viewing, quantum leaping, and time travel are among the other alternate realities Sarah has endured. “I’ve healed so much and believe every day is a healing journey to greater heights”.

Sarah works with many clients around the world in what she calls “Intuitive Healing”. This includes using homeopathy herbs, supplements, diet super foods, detoxing, energy work, essential oils, visualization, mediation, subtle energy work, cellular work, all to heighten the frequency of the temple and precious bodies we have been given. She has made TV appearances on Gaia TV including Beyond Belief, Buzzsaw and Ancient Civilizations as well as Coast to Coast AM, Vice TV, The Bases Project, co-hosting the Divine Truth Show on Revolution Radio and many others.

Sarah Adams continues to be a major force in the world of enlightenment while healing many around the world.

Connect with Sarah at https://www.sarahradams.com/ or on instagram @divinehathor1985

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, cool 54321 Hey there spiritual dope we are on today with Sarah R. Adams Sarah has experienced many things from seeing abductions to seeing angels who aided her. Her waking consciousness increased as she got older, she experienced the supernatural and past lives in Egypt and Atlantis, telepathy, weather abnormalities, feeling others emotions, remote viewing, quantum leaping, and time travel are among the other Ultimate Reality sir has endured. I’ve healed so much and believe that every day’s healing journey to great heights real quick in there. I mean, it’s just in the intro, sir. endured so much, right? I mean, entered all these different all these different phases, phases and places is that kind of what you’re saying there that you’ve entered.

Sarah R Adams 1:00
So it’s been a long journey. And, you know, thank you for bringing that up. Because this morning, I was pondering on that, during my meditation, you know, it wasn’t so easy to bring all the knowledge and all the things that I experienced to the public eye, because there’s still a lot of close off people out there. So it was definitely a learning process for me of how to handle that and how to cope with it. So that was definitely hard. At one point, I almost stopped doing this work. And I’m very blessed that I had some major supporters in this field that reached out to me to encourage me to continue the work that I do. So yeah, that was that was definitely hard. And then, of course, you know, I’ve come to a plan, I’ve been putting it on a planet, where it’s, life is hard for a lot of people and I’m able to tap into their feelings, their emotions, their hardships, that suppression that’s going on on this planet. So that also was very tough journey for me to just, you know, be able to just be able to, to process that because it was really intense to experience all of those things. But on the bright side, I, you know, I’m able to really help out humanity on a lot of levels. And I’ve helped out 1000s of people all around the world, of course, I’m doing a lot of work to help out the planet. So in the end, there’s, there’s the light at the end of the tunnel less or shit,

Brandon Handley 2:32
not for sure. And you’re talking about, you know, the beginning of your journey, or at least, you know, prior to where you are now. And, you know, as I hit in dirt first one of the things that I noticed on your bio, too, is that, you know, you’ve made two appearances on Gaia. TV, beyond belief you’ve done with coast to coast, Vice TV and saw these other faces. So, you know, continuing to move forward for yourself, you were able to and I feel like you know, at least this country and maybe the world is opening up to this space in place, right? Or somebody like yourself that’s got these talents and gifts to share, right?

Sarah R Adams 3:15
And it is you know, so I decided to work for Gaia. I had, I had a an experience in England, that was very tough at the time, I lost somebody that I deeply loved. And we were doing a lot of work in this field. I kind of just, you know, stayed in England in a small seaside town, with family with extended family members and I decided to stay there and kind of step out of the public eye. And then I got this call from Gaia and Gaia. They when the producer spent like four hours telling me you know, we’re really professional here, we’re going to be very good to you. We we love your work. We have a lot of faith in you. We want to support you can you fly over to the United States and come and do some work with us. And of course, Netflix reached out to me at the same time for two other shows. And I ended up deciding not to work for Netflix and Gaia because that was initially what my read was to choose Gaia because I believe they’re doing good work for the for the world because they are given the experiences of blessed intuitive healers out there and have awakened people out there to a larger platform and a lot of people are open to Gaia and it is for me it’s amazing because it was hard before you know you do your YouTube accounts, you do your interviews, your live feeds, but then Gaia really is at a level where that’s becoming more mainstream and they’ve done a lot of work to get us out there and I’m so thankful for that I’m so blessed for that. And for the just for them giving me a platform so I could get the information that I have out there. Because for me that information is vital. And I checked a lot of information on self healing on healing others on healing the planet. And these are this is information humanity needs right now. So I am deeply grateful for that.

Brandon Handley 5:22
Yeah, no, that’s, that’s awesome. Right. God is a great platform. I think it’s interesting that, you know, you chose that over Netflix. But you know, my instinct would also, you know, say that, you know, that’s the platform that was right for you, right. I mean, it’s a kind of, like a forest bias kind of situation, right? With Gaia.

Sarah R Adams 5:45
I’m tremendously thankful to device because we did film this whole show. Of course, at the time, I wasn’t doing very well, I was trying to cope with a with a person who is close to me, like I said, that passed away, it was in mainstream news, it was very hard for me to deal with, because I feel the energies of everyone. And I’m Vice came over I did a charity event in England, for children who have cancer, they came in helped me out with it. They stayed with me a little bit, and were so supportive. And, you know, then they decided to air the show eventually. And they were so sweet. They got on radio shows, and were so supportive of me, they eventually decided to the show, like a day before, I was like, I don’t think I could do this, right? Like, you know, I just don’t think that I can be out there more. I feel like I have to be in the public eye. They were so nice. They completely just got rid of the show never aired it. So I have a lot of respect for advice to

Brandon Handley 6:43
the school. Let’s say that they respected your wishes in that way. Yeah. So I love to start this off with this is not on, you know, usually I do a quick intro and to jump right into this question. So this is a, you know, we’re here, right? You and I are connecting here for this moment, this time, space in place, to let source speak through us to somebody who’s going to listen to the podcasts, or maybe watch the video at some point. And they’re tuning in to get a message that only you can deliver right now. So what is that message at this point in time.

Sarah R Adams 7:17
So, you know, for me, looking around, and even feeling what I feel from the planet and from the masses out there. And this is why I do the work that I do because I know of course I hear about homelessness and see homelessness and hear about abuse going on, I see it. But I feel it because I’m in God consciousness, I can feel what’s happening across the world, the pain and suffering. So this is why I’m so passionate about helping out humanity. This all needs to shift and change. And we need to understand that whether we know it or not, we’re feeling that person’s suffering across the world. We’re feeling the the energy of that person suffering, we’re feeling their emotions, we’re feeling everything, even though many are not aware of this. And so for me, awareness is really important right now, people need to become aware that they are more than this physical body is that they are energy and energy is what is what we’re basically everything is made up even solid objects, like the chair I’m sitting on, it’s just condensed energy that creates solid objects. So when energy is condensed, it creates solid object. So for me, people need to become reconnected. And once they become reconnected to the energy field within them, which is their soul, their spirit, there’s many names for it, then they could channel that energy, they could channel that energy to heal their organs, heal their physical bodies, and heal those around them and also heal the planet because the planet bunches on on energy, our bodies function on energy, we have a problem right now, this plant is depleted in energy, people are depleted energy, you know, and there’s, of course, there’s a lot of, there’s a lot of info in the awakened community, about DNA and how you fly up your DNA how you should, you know, charge your chakra system your aura. But what people really need to understand is that they need to actually go out and do these things. They need to go do them and bring in the cosmic light and we could touch the moon, the stars, stars, the sun, we can even ask other bees come charges with ancient light codes. When that happens, we’re going to start to become more full of energy full of energy, our whole system will light up our DNA will light up because a body says a body that is deleted that is depleted. Functions right here in energy. It functions right here in consciousness, we need to ascend to higher consciousness to fix the problems to be solution bringers on this planet, and so we need to go we need to step from up down here to appear energetically wise. When we do that. We’re going to be gone conscious And we’re going to have the biggest library that’s infinite, that that’s eternal, challenge us the solutions for everything before for the suffering for the homelessness for everything. So I think that that’s really important right now, you know, it’s important, we were more than words that we actually bring in that energy, that we start to understand how energy works. And that we need to start to understand there is a lot of beings out there that want to help us, we need to do the work to bring in the energy, because again, we’re at here, the bees are here so we can access them. But once we bring our energy, if we’re going to get to the same levels, these bees, and they will interact with us. And then also, you know, there are kin they’re going, they’re more than willing to bring help and solutions to us. So for me, the biggest, biggest thing is that humanity understands that they have a soul, it’s made of energy, they can charge their bodies with more energy, and they can use this energy to go higher in frequency so that they can become multi dimensional again, so that they can reach new heights of spirituality, then they could channel the energy through them to heal the planet to heal the oceans and to clear the pollution and the negative energies off this planet.

Brandon Handley 11:17
So no small message, or a small message, a small message, right? No, and just just help me out here just with some of the language. So if I say God consciousness, and and and and then kind of the way that we’re talking and what you’re saying, could I liken it to the Akashic Record?

Sarah R Adams 11:37
Yeah, you know, that’s Yes. Akashic Record. vast library of eternal knowledge. Yes.

Brandon Handley 11:47
Okay. Every part of it. Yes. And, and I know, you talk about, you know, different beings or ETS, etc. Are they you know, would you say that they’re among us, and it’s just our inability to recognize them? for like, the dimensional are currently limited. Well, so the most of us, right are limited capability to see multi dimensionally or at a higher level. Um, and, or simply like, a belief block, right? Just like, you know, if you believe the stories of like, back in the day, when, you know, the story goes, Hey, you know, when Christopher Columbus came over with the boats, Indians didn’t see the boats because they didn’t know what a boat was. Right? So how are you going to see something? If you don’t know what it is?

Sarah R Adams 12:42
Well, you know, it goes back to the whole thing of energy that I just explained, yes, there’s many different beings I interact with leprechauns, fairies, elves, many different mythical creatures that I speak to, and I see them like I see you. Now the thing is, is when your energy fields down here, you’re functioning from lower consciousness, when your energy fields up here, you’re functioning from higher consciousness, and you’re also tapping into these other beings, when you’re functioning from up here, it’s all about energy a depleted body, simply your client kind of robotic kind of show off, you can’t access other realms, you can’t access other dimensions. So you’re down here living down here. So the thing is, is that to be able to communicate with these beings to interact with them you have to bring your energy up you have to bring your frequency up. And of course when I go to save God, you know God consciousness for me, God is an energy that flows through everything it flows to planets, to realms through everything, and this energy interacts with us of course, we have a certain amount of it in us and otherwise we would be dead because the organs and everything functions on energy but what we need to use we need to understand how to bring energy into us. So we can speak to this moon stars the sun, the ancient spirits of light, we can say, you know charges with more energy and that will happen as our frequency goes up, then we’re going to start interacting with other beings. And even a non believer can do this for somebody who’s never had a spiritual experience in their life or or interacting with an ET or any other supernatural creature. If you just bring your energy up, you’ll have those experiences.

Brandon Handley 14:21
Okay, so if Let me also are you I’m sure you’re familiar with David Hawkins and the consciousness map Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 14:30
A little bit.

Brandon Handley 14:32
Okay, and I bring that up because he’s got like, a basic graph right? Just says hey, you know, low consciousness down here. And you know, gives you like, certain like levels right? Sounds like a ladder up to like, you know, God consciousness, right? Because, you know, where if everybody’s got like this lower consciousness now, then we’re stuck in fear, right? Then if you’re stuck in fear, then like, you know, you can’t see shit. You’re stuck. You can’t see anything because you’re just all using See his worry and fear? Yes. Right. And it’s going to take you to kind of there’s a tipping point is like courage, right? Where you know this on the ladder where just says, Hey, alright, well, I stepped into or accepted like, you know, my divinity like might you know my source energy but it’s going to take me a little bit longer to figure out what to do with it next right like now you’ve got the source of energy you’re connected, you’re tapped in your love but you’re like still like this big blob because you don’t know what the hell to do with it. Right? Right. And then, you know, so he walked in and so you kind of walk up the ladder until you get to this higher consciousness spot that you’re talking about? And then you know that part, you’re at that that part but how do you how do you how do you walk somebody into, you know, get to get to become reconnected? How do you walk somebody, yourself like to get shot, like God love to get charged some ancient like codes, I’m down, like, I mean, so what’s that process?

Unknown Speaker 15:56
I can arrange that for you? And yeah.

Sarah R Adams 16:01
You know, okay, so you’re right, you know, you tap into, or you bring in this energy and you’re kinda like everywhere. So then you have to master that energy. Because, you know, God, which we’re gone mastered the elements price master the elements Christ had owed to the ocean to comment it did. So you know, instead of letting that energy just everywhere you channel that energy. So you say, Okay, I want you to, to do this, this and this, and you instruct that energy. And that’s where you actually achieve what I call God. Entire, the entirety of access and God consciousness, because if you’re just in that chaotic energy, it’s going to eventually you know, cause a lot of problems. So then you have the energy you instruct it, okay, channel to the planet here, channel to my life here to create a new more success and blessings channel to this person here that needs it. So then we must know how to master it, which is quite important. Probably the most important, above all is knowing how to master yourself. So we have so many co pilots out there, nobody’s living as a master pilot of themselves, their energy fields, and this is causing a huge problem. They’re not, you know, we take showers every morning. But we’re our energy fields are full of gunk. And nobody’s actually cared to clean. A walk, you know, the city’s his stuff. And it’s passed back and forth and eventually returned to this like dense web of energy. And they don’t know why they’re depressed, why they’re feeling bad, why they’re sad, why nothing is manifesting good in their life. It’s because they’re all in that web. So it’s really important to understand how the energy field and to clear it, bring in energy and then master that energy.

Brandon Handley 17:43
How do I get myself out of the web?

Sarah R Adams 17:47
You know, so I work in symbolism, of course, I’ve done some work on Gaia for this. And the body of Christ said that the body is a temple. The body is the original church. By the way, we weren’t meant to go to church to access God, we were meant to this soul code symbolism permit to access God within here. No, we’re looking for God and books, religions, all this all these places, failing to realize that the most powerful force actually lives within us. So to access that force, you must first acknowledge it, you must acknowledge that there’s this energy within you. And then you must also start to communicate with it. So it’s formed through our organs is formed through ourselves. So to bring more energy in what I like to do is I like to speak to each organ. So what I do is I visualize my DNA, I visualize it, and cosmic energy pouring into my DNA to light my DNA. Then I visualize a golden tunnel, I visualize myself flying up to the skull through this golden tunnel, until I got goosebumps all over my body. And then I go to PES five Do I go to 22 D. And once I get to 22 D, I mean God consciousness, I have my mind clear. I focus on my liver and you don’t even need to know where your liver is, or the organ you’re working on. And I ask I say, I say, is there any desert energies? Is there any toxins? Is there any ancestral energies? Is there any dense dense, toxic energies from things that happened to me traumatic energies, and then I clear my mind and weight and the organ response to a thought almost telepathically. And sales show me either I’ll get an image of like this black smoke energy that needs to be spent, there’s dense energies that need to be cleared or I’ll say, anger or it’ll say hurt or pain. Then I tell my system, just like you would press Delete on your computer, I tell my system, delete this out of my system, and I can feel the energy completely been removed from my system. Then I ask the Oregon again, I say what color do you need, and then they’ll tell me gold or blue. blues great for inflammation. Bold is great for to energize the organ. So I go through all my organs and do this, myself, my bones, my brain and do this because again, going back symbolism, if you go to Europe to the ancient churches there to the cathedrals there, they have an origin in it. And of course, when you play the organ the symphony is, is heard throughout the entire church. So our organs create the symphony, that that that flows through our entire body, our aura, our chakra system. So if one of our organs are off, it’s just like one of the keys of that Oregon, in that church feed off which will, which will create a symphony, that that sounds that that’s off, that’s out of tune, that’s out a symphony, and in basically the same as what the frequencies in our bodies, when organs are blocked by toxins, by trauma, by all these negative things, and their energies are off, then the frequency, the tune of our frequency, the symphony of the Divine within our frequency field is off. And then we start to create all sorts of issues everywhere in our life and our physical life, which is a reflection of our Symphony that’s off within ourselves, our frequency, that’s all within ourselves,

Brandon Handley 21:18
I can definitely see that right, you’re a mess on the inside, you’re gonna see a mess on the outside, right? I mean, right? Um, you know, how does one learn, you know, to master the energy, right, instructing the energy, I really enjoyed that versus kind of like, Sounds Sounds like a little bit more fun than your traditional prayer type of thing be like, please, you know, be really cool. If this happened, you send an instruction out again, you have to use in some program language, like, you know, create an instruction, this line always works for, you know, this thing, right? But how do you know, how do you tell somebody to, you know, again, going from, Alright, here’s all this energy, it’s a mess, but like, how do you go from that to just being able to instruct it? Because mastery is something that takes a long time, it’s not something that takes a month. Right? So what are some of the stuffs there?

Sarah R Adams 22:09
I think, reason that, you know, it mastery, for me can be attained by everyone in quite a short, short space of time, once they understand how their system works, because we’re bodies, right. And we’re seeing them as prisons, we’re seeing them as negative, we’re seeing that we’re caught on this planet, rather than understanding that their divine tech. And this was a gift giving to ourselves when we were in the realms of spirit. So we could have a 3d physical experience. And we are not, we are not treating this physical body, this tech, right, we’re not understanding how it works. So you know, because of this, I feel a lot of the and while I’m very thankful, and have a lot of honors, honor for those who have taught about mastering oneself, I believe, once you connect to your system, it goes quite quickly. So you speak to your organs, once you learn just to do it to one which takes a couple of minutes, I teach this to my clients, then you go through them all, and it doesn’t take long. And you know, in three weeks, I have people who are completely it’s almost like they’re reborn again, they’re they completely are mastering their, the frequencies within themselves. And they’re there. They’re channeling higher frequencies. And so I really, for me, the knowledge of how to how to unite the spirit, God energy. So it’s one with the physical body, which is also divine tech, that knowledge has been lost. And so this is creating a problem because there’s there’s people discover different ways to master their energy fields, but they haven’t truly tapped in that, hey, you can go into your system, just like a computer, where you press Delete, you can delete all of the old energy system out and then rebuild a new energy system. And this is what Christ meant and Bible that thou shalt be born again, it doesn’t need to actually physically die, it means that you need to go in and clear all that old energy field and create a new one. And you can do so. And, you know, it’s quite easy to do once you once you step into that.

Brandon Handley 24:18
I mean, I guess I could see that right? The idea of connecting, going through a process learning the process. And then once you’re, you know, tuned in, tapped in turned on, right, you’re you’re Oh, yeah, you’re good to go.

Unknown Speaker 24:33
But well, you

Brandon Handley 24:35
know, the other part too, right. I think you mentioned this and I wanted to tap on it. He talks about like books and religions as being not like imminently necessary right for, you know, to be able to do this. However, I mean, would you also say that i like i like if I read a book, and I understand something to me that I think As my level of where I am versus the book per se, right? Is that fair to say? Like, so if I pick up a religious book and I’m like, Oh my god, I have an epiphany. It’s not necessarily a book. It’s just my understanding. Exactly.

Sarah R Adams 25:14
Yes, exactly. And, you know, the thing is like, I love books, by the way, a lot of antique books. I have books from England, I have quite a library of say love books, but at the same time, I know being a God consciousness, I instantaneously know things. And like the Bible, okay, so the Bible, first of all, it’s not, it’s almost like being worshipped. People are so obsessed with the Bible. It’s insane. It’s, it’s, it’s deterring them from a god, which

Brandon Handley 25:47
was misunderstood, right? Like, I mean, it’s been like, passed down from generation to generation, you got this one group of people is like, hey, let’s, let’s take all the literal meaning out of this whole thing. You know, which could, you know, translations never been altered over, you know, 1000s of years. So, you know, I’m sure everything in there is like, perfect. Right. And then they,

Sarah R Adams 26:07
well researched the Bible. It’s First of all, it’s, it’s not the word of God, because it’s a lot of different prophets, prophecies, history, and mishmash of things laid down put together then to then create the Bible, which is said to be the Word of God, which isn’t true at all. Um, but the true Word of God is within us, when we tap into that higher state of being, we just instantaneously No, because we’re in God consciousness, and we don’t need to read a book, because God is within us, and we’re accessing that. So for me, when it comes to religion, um, and, you know, this might be controversial to say, but I know don’t say controversial stuff, and I honestly don’t care because I know people need the truth, it’s going to help them out of this world that they’re living in of dense energies. And in the Bible, there was also a lot of political stuff put in there to suppress people, you know, just like says, pay your taxes, and this and this, and this. And then of course, it’s, you know, way the Bible too, is, for me, it’s quite a dense energy, because there’s, there’s, there’s the murder of millions of people in there, there’s the murder of innocent animals as sacrifice. And you know, any logical person, any person who’s somewhat functioning, R is going to look at that state, why would God construct to kill children, animals and 1000s of people, you know, if your god you would ever do that, that’s, that’s, that’s not gone. In fact, that’s the opposite of it. So for me, religion has caused a lot of havoc, it’s also put made people think that they’re sinners. And it’s made put people in this sort of like, energetic West system, which I feel is part of the false matrix system, false light matrix system, where it doesn’t tell them how to actually heal, it just makes them feel bad, because they’re sinners, and they have guilt and everything else. And it’s quite huge problem on the planet right now. And to send it to God conscious, you got to get rid of all of that, you know, and it’s sadly it’s ingrained in our very DNA, some of us because our, our grandparents and so on, have the everybody’s been in religion, and whatever you believe those codes are going to go into your children and your grandchildren. So a lot of people they, they’re, they’re actually being born with these codes that need to be re deleted out of the system. So they can have a free mind. So their souls can be free, so the energy can be free, so that they can actually function function from a higher consciousness. So it’s really important to to get rid of all of that, hey, the Bible is, was also King James, who had the whole Bible done, who did a book on demonology. Nobody knows this.

Brandon Handley 28:47
Nobody’s got that one.

Sarah R Adams 28:50
Yes, nobody’s got that one. He wrote a book on demonology, how to summon demons, but the Word of God and I do water research. I’ve done a lot of research on the Archons because I’ve encountered you know, spirits that feed off of other people’s energy field. And I really feel the Bible is tied into the archives and into lower spirits. Once we’re clear of energy, of guilt of negative energy and guilt and all that stuff, no, no negative spirit can can access us. So they want us to have guilt and they want us to feel like sinners, because when we do things can ask us to feed off their energy fields. I think it’s kind of religion was created. Almost for me, the opposite of the Divine is connected into the lower energies,

Brandon Handley 29:33
not 100% I can I can see that right and especially if you’re taking the Bible at kind of face value. I guess I’m referring to a lot of some of the other people that have given me a different perspective on it. Like neville goddard is a guy that like you know, I think gives you like a fun perspective on the Bible that doesn’t, it’s not the is based off of like astrology and all these other things versus you know, some other stuff and versus what I was taught growing up, I remember very clearly, like really listening to him, like driving off to some back roads, like talking about the Bible, like, you know, and to me the way that it was intended to be delivered, I was like, that’s it. Why is this? Why isn’t anybody talking like this, this is what you’re you’re supposed to be hearing versus, you know, if they’re talking about, like, for example, one of them was like, talking about the sheep, not following the sheep, per se, but like, you know, about, like, it’s the rough texture of the sheep versus something else, like all the symbolism, which, again, I’m sure, you know, up your alley, right. So not to dive too deep. But I mean, I think that to me, again, the bigger part of it all is like, you know, when you’re reading books, and I don’t feel like they’re, I feel like there’s definitely misinterpretation of the Bible. And I also feel like, to your point, you don’t need to go, when you go read all those books, understand that the things that are lighting you up are coming from your own understanding from within, right, not from that book, per se.

Sarah R Adams 31:02
Yeah. When you know, and there’s codes and symbolism and everything. So like, if I read something, and I’ve read the Bible, like, countless times, and I, when I read something, I see it differently, I’ll notice a person who reads it that, you know, they haven’t access God consciousness. They’ll take it literally and see it differently than me who actually sees codes in it. I mean, there’s a lot of codes and symbolism in religion, but those are stolen. Those were stolen from the ancient prophets, prophets, those writings and then, you know, given to us in different religious books, but is there sure is there some truth in bio, of course, there’s some truth in the Bible. And otherwise, that would keep people attracted to so they always put truth and lies

Unknown Speaker 31:46
together. It’s sure. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 31:49
no, for sure. For sure. It was funny. That’s who I had as a, I made a little note here, when you’re talking about the matrix. Remember where they’re the the cat like in the one scene, that kind of glitch for a second, like you said in the matrix, and then it was like almost a glitch when you said it was just kind of funny because you glitch in the matrix?

Sarah R Adams 32:06
She said, there’s two matrix, there’s two light systems, globalist plan. One is the original light system on the light system of ancient light, which is going through the forest, it’s flowing through everything. And then we have what I call the false light system, the false light system, is the pollution on this planet, because pollution is heavy, heavy, dense energies are being bombarded with pollution, negative belief systems, that’s another one. Whether you know, and we are actually born into a system where there’s, we go through schooling, that’s a system that closes us off from our creativity from the divine, where we go through jobs, that’s another system that makes us you know, basically almost like it slaves us for money. And it keeps us from our true calling, calling our soul path, we have all these different systems that are a part of this false light matrix system that we are born into, and that we grow into and that tell us what to think it tells us what to eat, it tells us how to dress, it tells us what to do on every single level, while it’s hitting us with pollution, so that our bodies because each cell by the way, and this is some This is some ancient knowledge here, because the ancient Egyptians, they used to be sun worshippers, and they would bring in the light of the sun and that would charge their aura and they’re in all the organs and of course, their chakra system. The cell is a solar panel with the light would come through it and charge our solar energy. However, the the brushes are, the pollution comes into the cell, and specifically heavy metals, we’re being bombarded with heavy metals everywhere, putting in different things like vaccination and stuff as controversial as that sounds. So heavy metals get into the cell and reflect out like a mirror. So the light cannot charge our auric field and our energy systems. So we are basically lower consciousness because we are not not charging. This is why we have so many energy vampires, people are depleted in energy, often, they are terrible to themselves and others their murders their abusers. Anyone who does not have a higher energy charge, they are basically functioning from lower consciousness, and they’re they’re vampires. They’re energy vampires. So we have this whole neural connected false light matrix system, which blocks the shoe light out is fucking, like I said, on a cellular level on an energetic level on a thought level, in the belief systems on all these different levels. And sadly, much of the planet this planet many millions of people are tapped into that false light matrix system and function from there. You have to completely disconnect from that and then you have to reconnect to the true life. That light of the Divine that flows through everything. So, you know, you have to kind of peel back the layers almost like an onion, you’ve got to peel that back so you can get to your core energy within yourself of the Divine

Brandon Handley 35:15
was something was first up. Like, I mean, you know, how do you recognize you’re you’re in, in, like, the bad matrix,

Sarah R Adams 35:26
I think it’s really easy to tell, you know, you’re going to be depressed, you’re going to be stressed, you’re going to be worried all the time, you’re going to be tired. There’s no joy in life. Because, you know, again, being down here and frequency, you, you have to be high frequency data, joy, bliss, love all those beautiful things to feel good. So if you’re down here, you’re gonna be sick and everything else, and that’s, you know, then you’re gonna be you’re gonna feel like you’re you’re suffocated in life. Those are a few of the things you know, that will tell you that you’re connected into the lower energies. And then of course, you need to start with level number one, and that’s the physical body, you need to start to detox it, detox it, detox it, and bring in light energies. So then, you know, you can bring in light energies, without doing any what I call visualization meditation, which is another level of bringing yourself up through drinking herbs, bringing in a lot of food that has light energy in it, that’s fruits, vegetables that have charged with the sun’s energy that moves energy to certain bring that energy into your body. Because our diet, you know, I noticed specially here in the United States, our diets are depleted in energy, literally minerals, nutrients, we’re in a dead diet. So we’re a week later, we like a walking dead. So it’s so important to bring those things to bring in vitamins and nutrients into your system to bring in a water that’s charged with energy. So I put my my water by the way, in mason jars and put it under the sun and moon put crystals in it. So I’m charging it, that’s one of the ways I like to do it. So then you’re going to start with the physical to just start to simply change his frequency through your diet through de toxin. And then you know, start to do things like meditation, visualization, meditation, start to do things, you know, physical things to get your body also healthy, such as working out yoga. Things like those are a couple of the first steps that people need to take to actually get themselves to higher frequencies.

Brandon Handley 37:30
Right? So this is, those are a couple, the first steps you’re going to take to break out of the, I’m just gonna call it the dark matrix into the light matrix. Right. And it’s kind of interesting as you’re talking, right, the the foods was like energy. I forget, I was watching some, you know, plant based diet but but, you know, basically you’re eating if you’re eating you know, freshly grown in the sun, vegetables and fruit, you’re eating the sun, that’s sunlight, right? I mean, it’s literally captured sunlight. So at least if you’re getting it into you, I could just see myself blowing out like the the metals or whatever from the inside.

Sarah R Adams 38:09
And that’s another thing, see what toxic toxins, um, you can also go in your system, and tell your system to transmute them. So you tell your yourselves, you know, I want you to transmute the energy of toxins chest, made it to golden light, and then charge yourself, you’re telling yourself charge itself with that. So we can actually go in our system and tell our system to transmute these energies of toxins into higher frequencies that will then charge us and bring us into higher consciousness.

Brandon Handley 38:44
what’s the what’s like, a timeline for something like that right to to is that require like belief that you you and your system, and your body can do that for yourself.

Sarah R Adams 38:58
And, you know, that’s why they really, in society try to make us feel less than inside. Because once we believe our God, that manifests is in herself. And we are immensely powerful.

Brandon Handley 39:11
So real quick, though, so if I’m God and your God, like, what’s up, I mean, you because I think I think a lot of people, though, if you if you were to say that, and you’re saying it right now they’re like, well, if you’re a god, you know, why is the world like this? Why don’t you fix it? And if I’m God, then like, why is my world like such a shit show? Right? Like, so? How do you address that to people?

Sarah R Adams 39:36
So it wouldn’t be fair, if only your God or I’m God, and we have all this power, that would be imbalanced. So God wants us all to know, we’re all God. And we must all work together to heal the world, because that’s fairness and balance. And of course, God is energy that flows through us. It flows through you, it flows through me and we must have All acknowledge that word God, this is quite important for the planet right now. And that because when we knowledge that, then there is no fair there is no, there is no nothing that can hinder us from healing our planet, but it would be unfair if just one of us forgot. So yes, even though I have quite immense divine power, it’s not up to me to clap, it’s up to me to say I have found God within, and pass that light to others until everyone saw their light within and works together to heal their planet. That’s what the divine wants, it wants us to know that we’re all pieces of this beautiful, divine puzzle. And we’re all needed. And we all need to step into our Christ consciousness, not just one of us, because, you know, if one of us came and healed the entire planet, it wouldn’t fix the solutions go back, they, they would expect to save your over and over again. They haven’t stepped into their Christ selves. But once you step into your Christ stuff, you understand that you come from a place of compassion and goodness. So you understand not to continuously do harm to yourself and others. So this is a this is kind of the grand plan divine plan for humanity. That’s why in religion when it says, you know, just there’s one Savior, that’s such a, it’s false. Christ said, All our Christ, Christ was trying to show people, I have powers, and you can achieve this too. And price that I’m God. And that was very controversial back then. But Christ had realized that he had this God force within himself, and he became one with it, and realized he was gone. And so he was trying to teach humanity.

Brandon Handley 41:43
Now that makes sense. I mean, I think that makes a you know, to the same to the same degree, almost, that if you and I were to run out and say that, God, right, those people right now are like, no, you’re not like, That’s messed up. You can’t talk like that. Right? But all you’re really saying is like, you know, I am filled with source energy to your VM. We started this whole thing off with a, you know, without that, without that divine energy within your body, that lifeforce within your body. You don’t work? Like I mean, and nobody figures out like how, like when you die, like nobody’s like, hey, did anybody catch the battery that fell out? You know, where does? Where did that life source go? Where did that God force go? Right? So and, you know, you’re talking about, like, you know, Jesus, I can do these things. And you can, you can do the same and so much more. Right. And that’s, I think, I love that line. I’m like, well, Dude, what’s up? You know what I mean? And so,

Sarah R Adams 42:39
like, what’s the Why? Why are you guys not healing people? Why are you guys why is the earth this way? Because they haven’t found the the, the issues within themselves, they have actually become one with the energy to understand their God. So that’s why nobody is really healing themselves and others has done this religion actually keeps people from accessing that. And, um, but yeah, I see that all the time. But hey, of course, I have been in Christ consciousness, I manifest myself beautiful, happy,

Brandon Handley 43:07
like, it’s worked out.

Sarah R Adams 43:10
Everywhere. Yes. So I am the master of my life through that.

Brandon Handley 43:14
works, right. But But I think what you’re saying though, too, and I heard down, like, it’s like a string of Christmas lights, right? Like, if one goes out, like, then the whole thing’s not working, right. So we’re all kind of like, in that string of Christmas lights. If we’re, if we, if we got a few that are busted, the whole strings not gonna work. So we all got, we all got it, bring our lights and you’re passing the light on to the next person, next person, you have just as much in you, as the next person does. It’s just their ability and willingness to recognize it, harness it and nurture it, is that what you’re saying?

Unknown Speaker 43:49
And, you know,

Sarah R Adams 43:52
like I said, there’s some truth in the Bible, but it says that, once a man realizes that he’s, he’s, he’s got Christ within him that he has power, more power almost to the angels. And that’s, that’s amidst power. And, but but God being fair to all, even with beings like me, who have come to this earth to channel this information, I don’t ever want to be on a pedestal. I don’t ever want to be above anyone. I just wish to show them what I have done within myself.

Brandon Handley 44:30
But I think that that’s it. That’s so that’s a tough one for people there because like, you know, it’s like, again, you’re not saying you’re above or beyond anyone, you just made a different choice to recognize your your connection to source right and that’s, that’s it, right? It’s not like, it’s not like you’re better than somebody else. Not like your higher not like your lower not like you’re more powerful than anybody else. See, there’s just like, this is, you know, like the whole Jesus thing, you can do this and so much more.

Sarah R Adams 44:57
Exactly. So I you know, I’ve devoted my life To showing people why achieved and that they can achieve just as much within themselves. And this is important because God is so fair God would not put one above another. So there’s just those of us who have realized that we’re God and we’re worthy, our own price, and there’s those who have not that they’re below us. Just they haven’t realized that yet. And at some point in the future, they will realize that

Brandon Handley 45:31
right, or, you know, depending on like, I guess where you were your stances on like the reincarnation bit, right, or just like, in next lifetimes, until, like, there’s a full recognition of, you know, soul experience, right, I’m here to have an experience. And you know, if I don’t figure it out this time, like, maybe you know, next time, right? So what are some of your biggest objections, somebody, you know, when when you tell them that they are God, that they are source? What do they say to you,

Sarah R Adams 46:03
it almost releases that makes them so happy, because they, you know, a lot of people look up to me. And so when I tell them that they’re like, incredibly happy, and they’re, it’s eye opening to them, because they’re like, Wow, you’ve achieved so much. And you do all these things, you travel dimensions, you go out of your body, you speak to ETS, but you’re looking at me, and you’re telling me, I’m God, and that really in a beautiful way shapes them, and they start to think about it and helps them wake up. And they’re very accepting of that. And they, you know, I help them realize their power within them. And that, you know, even though a lot of them a lot of people I come across, you know, sometimes they’ll just be having my, my cup of hot chocolate or tea, and I’ll look at the person who’s talking to me, I’ll say, you know, your God. And they just smile, and they like, tell me, you know, tell me about this. And I tell it to them, they understand it, and it really helps them to wake and more.

Unknown Speaker 47:11
That’s cool, right?

Brandon Handley 47:14
I definitely haven’t gotten to the point where I run around tell people that they’re God, right. But yeah, I see, you know, definitely. To the point, though, where I know that I look at everybody and everything is divine, right? That’s just kind of point that I’m at

Sarah R Adams 47:27
what he says all the time, when I’m walking on the street, I see a smiling child or a hair, bird chirping, or I feel the wind blowing through my hair. I’m aware, God is within me and all around me. And God’s always speaking to me. It’s such a beautiful thing. And it’s, for me, what’s heartbreaking, is that knowing that humanity has, they’re not opening the door to that. And that’s the solution. And once they did they never be lonely. Even if they were in the middle of the desert, they would know that they’re gone, they’re okay. And everything’s gonna be okay. And and there would be no fair, there would be nothing, you know, that could hinder them ever really, truly hurt them in any experience. So it for me, it’s really intense because I get to experience this. But I realized how hard it is for people who don’t have that support from the divine. It’s really hard. They’re 3d lives.

Brandon Handley 48:30
Do you feel like we’re turning a corner at all? Do you feel like the realization and recognition of you know divine within Christ Consciousness is accelerating?

Sarah R Adams 48:43
I do I believe that the pressures of you know COVID the pressures from our politicians, the pressures from our economy that is just been destroyed via these different things. I feel like the more pressure that humanity has on it, that they’re going to look deeper within they’re going to start to look deeper within and find that power, and that’s going to help them transcend all of these things. And that pressure is there to help them access the Christ consciousness to push them within more to step into their God consciousness.

Brandon Handley 49:24
Like a germination a source.

Unknown Speaker 49:26
Yes,

Unknown Speaker 49:27
I got it.

Brandon Handley 49:30
Let’s do ETS. Before we leave, just for fun. Give me the lowdown on the ETS Anju

Sarah R Adams 49:38
Whoo. So I you know, I had when my team who saw me shape, shape shift into et By the way, so I get this question a lot. People are like, what are you you’re you supernatural?

Unknown Speaker 49:52
Are you a goddess? Are

Sarah R Adams 49:53
you a witch? Are you this? I’ve had 1000s of different labels and names thrown at me. So, you know, we have these bodies right? So we have many other bodies A lot of people don’t remember this, but this is their only body that they’ve had. They’ve lived on other planets they’ve taken many different forms but above that they were in their spiritual in spirit

Unknown Speaker 50:17
world

Sarah R Adams 50:17
so their God consciousness, somewhere in God consciousness, I’ve taken bodies of ETS I’ve taken bodies in Egypt and Atlantis and this is my, you know, most recent body

Unknown Speaker 50:29
to daily driver,

Sarah R Adams 50:30
right so just like we take off clothes and put them on that’s how I see it. So yeah, I have had some incarnation says ETS different ETS Um, so that’s something that I’m highly aware of. I have merged in the energy from whenever I was in et so I have that energy within my field they beat motion energy for when I was in Atlantis from when I was in Egypt, and it has a lot of information it’s kind of amazing because I kind of left all this information and then pulled it back into this lifetime so that I can help out with the, with channeling knowledge to humanity. That was all this information I cut it during the time I went to fit into physical bodies. So with ETS, I mean, they’re again, they’re just a different body that they put on for a while to have experiences in. I speak to them sometimes like I said, I definitely go into the energy of when I was at et and shape shift that I’m quite aware of that people around me too. But for me ETS are our they’re my kin I’m always up with the council’s they, they’re so telepathic and they’re so they can feel things from other planets, they can be another solar system and feel things that happen on our planet. They’re quite in tune. And they’re kind of like the Sears is the divine is because they’re the powers that they have the technology they have comes from the divine they’re so close to the divine. It has an immense power that gives them all the technology all the abilities they have in fact Believe it or not the ET races that are that are the have the most light energy through them are the most advanced races not the ones who still energy.

Brandon Handley 52:14
Got two questions left. Got a favorite favorite et Ah, I

Unknown Speaker 52:18
can’t see that I

Sarah R Adams 52:20
I feel heartbroken say that because they all love me so much. And I love them so much.

Brandon Handley 52:24
So I just today could change tomorrow.

Sarah R Adams 52:29
I still have to stick with all of them. They do such divine work for the planet for humanity, and I’m so grateful to have their

Unknown Speaker 52:35
presence in my life.

Brandon Handley 52:37
No Wrong there’s no wrong answers. Are we that much more removed than from ETS in terms of being close to the divine? I mean, is it harder for us to get that close? Or have we made it harder for ourselves to get that close?

Sarah R Adams 52:52
humanity’s made it hard for themselves, you know, because never left humanity. These beautiful beings, interdimensional beings ETS never, never left humanity. They’ve never turned their backs on humanity’s humanity has turned its back on itself. And on God on its own children on it on its own planet, because they’re not they’re not stepping into God consciousness and they’re simply living a 3d life. So if humanity was made the obstacles for themselves,

Brandon Handley 53:23
so self inflicted kind of walls and cutting ourselves off from source. intentional or unintentional. You know, I think I think it could be argued either way, right? You know, what’s the Maya Angelou line where, you know, you do your best until you know better, right? And, yes. And I think that, you know, we’ve done our best with what we thought was the right thing for quite a long time only kind of to get to this point and be like, Oh, really, this is the best we can do. I think we I think we missed the turn back there, right? somewhere. So we should have turned left. We should have made a right. Well, so listen, I you know, there’s so much to do, which barely scratched the surface of you. But I just want to say thanks for popping on today. What is you know if what is like one thing you wish somebody had always asked you but never had?

Unknown Speaker 54:19
Hmm.

Sarah R Adams 54:22
That’s a hard one. But let me think for a second there. You know, I think that I wish that people would have understood that I was only that I’m only trying to bring them goodness and asked me about that more deeply and intensely when I was younger, when I had just gotten this filled in when everything was chaotic for me. You know, I wish they would ask more questions that came to me about the things that I experienced and about me being different. That would have been amazing. Now they do. So I’ve manifested that. But it’s something that I would have wanted when I first got into this field,

Brandon Handley 55:09
how would that have helped you?

Sarah R Adams 55:11
I think instead of people misunderstanding me, because a lot of them did, it would have helped them understand me a lot more,

Brandon Handley 55:18
just by kind of asking questions versus what was happening,

Sarah R Adams 55:24
versus theories or fair or I feel like people are very fearful of things that are different. And instead of approaching and fair, or having their theories or beliefs, they should approach with kindness and by asking questions, and getting to know those who are different, because, you know, I’ve had my share of where I was misunderstood, despite the fact that it was only trying to bring healing and goodness to the world. So I hope that that’s something that in this community, people can do more, they can just simply be honest with you ask a question, without any ulterior motive behind it, or belief system or theory about you. As somebody who has a, you know, I have a huge following. You don’t really know me, but you can ask me questions now honestly, answer. So I that’s what I feel. There was a lot of questions back then maybe not now that I wish people would have asked me so they will could have understood me better?

Brandon Handley 56:26
was one question that I could ask you that would help me understand you better.

Sarah R Adams 56:32
Take a guess. And you want go ahead. Come on.

Unknown Speaker 56:37
You can ask me anything?

Brandon Handley 56:39
Yeah, I mean, this is what I feel like I should have asked asked earlier in the show, but I mean, Was this something that you experienced? And I believe if I caught correctly, there was some abuse while you’re growing up, too, right. So was, you know, Was this something that was trying to manifest then? And Was that something that was holding you back from sharing more of your gifts?

Sarah R Adams 57:05
No. So I chose to come into I chose to come into a body and experience abuse, I could understand it, how can I go to a planet and help out that planet, I didn’t know what they were experiences. So for me, that just gave me a lot of knowledge, it could destroy me or truly hurt me. I think what was more heartbreaking was the public and the people in the awakened community, who were not approaching me in the right manner. And that’s that made it hard for me on my journey at a certain point of which I, you know, overcome. And I know how to deal with the public better now. Because back then I was so you might say non human, I was so different. And everything was quite intense for me. And I, people saw me and they were like, Oh, she’s definitely different. And it kind of, I feel like maybe made some of them afraid, or they could understand things. And they didn’t approach with questions and kindness. Rather, they approached with being quite harsh. That’s what really I had a hard time in my journey. And at one point, you know, I just took a timeout, and Christ and Jesus appeared to me, sorry, Buddha appeared to me. And Christ Buddha said to me, now, you know, how we felt, we were just trying to help out humanity. And they Christ was like, they killed me, because they didn’t know how to approach me, they didn’t know how to understand me. And even though I just wanted to help them, they did this to me. And now you understand this. And now you understand that you’re on a planet, where even though they think they’re very bad, they’re quite primitive in knowing about the divine and about energy, and a lot of other things. And because you’re bringing this information, is that’s really triggering them, and that it’s bringing up a lot of things in them. And it’s bringing up their fear of anything that’s different. So I and I got to feel the emotions of Buddha and Christ and how heartbreaking it was for them just to want to help the world and have experienced that. And they did provide support for me, they were like, you know, this is your journey. No, we experienced this. And we knew it was gonna happen, but we’re here for you.

Unknown Speaker 59:21
It was beautiful.

Brandon Handley 59:23
I think that’s that’s huge. Right? I think, first of all, your capability, I guess, and our willingness to view, your abuse in that light. And I think that, you know, I caught briefly, you know, maybe that’s part of how you were able to heal yourself was by being able to see yourself in that way. And kind of, you know, how can you How can you take your what seems like this really awful thing from your past and harness that as your power, right? Or at least bring it into yourself and accept That, you know, plays something good for you and who you are today. Right? So I think that, you know, I think that’s a really cool way to take a look at it. And also, to your point, again, you know, of coming from the space and trying to have a conversation with somebody who doesn’t understand it right. There, the questions can be awkward. So the questions would be like, well, what, uh, you know, so, the question is, can be awkward, so I can understand to like, you know, the desire to have somebody ask you questions that in kindness, right, versus, you know, kind of, I don’t know about like, I wouldn’t say mean spirited, but like, again, if somebody doesn’t understand, then we come from a world, kind of where you poke fun at it until, like, you know, you understand it, right? Or something like that. But, uh, again, I just wanna say thanks for sharing, you know, all who you are, in again, this kind of short timeframe. Today here on spiritual dope, and where can people go find you?

Sarah R Adams 1:01:12
Thank you, I really enjoyed this. And, um, so they can find me, WW. Sarah are adams.com and that’s with an H, of course, and I am doing a lot of great projects. I just opened the retreat center here, Sedona, Arizona, I knit a store, I coach people you know, on how to heal, how to access the dimensions how to speak to ETS, and I’m doing the wealth and conference here this summer so they can find out more about that. They’re

Brandon Handley 1:01:42
also about the conference

Sarah R Adams 1:01:43
is you know, it’s an E t conference, and it’s gonna have a lot of my Gaia friends there that do work on Gaia. So we’re gonna have a great time. I am excited about this. And I just say wanted, you know, they contacted me, they said, we know that you are in contact with ETS, we know that ETS have a lot of messages for the planet of how to heal the planet. Can you just come and channel that for us and speak about that? And I? Yeah, I’m more than happy to go do that.

Brandon Handley 1:02:13
Why would you say no? Now very, very, very cool. Again, thanks for being on. It’s a lot of fun.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:19
Thank you.

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Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself? Do you feel that you’re capable of way more than you’re doing? You’re doing a lot, but nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set rules for yourself and believe that you can do it.

In this episode, Rick Thompson talks about his book and how he helps people become the best versions of themselves. He discusses the subconscious mind and how important it is to accept things and envision the future.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about bringing the best out of you and setting rules and goals to be glorious. 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways your subconscious mind works and learn it to put it to the best use. 
  2. Discover the importance of setting rules and believing in what you can do.
  3. Learn the significance of goals and envision the best for yourself. 

Episode Highlights

[01:10] Gifts of God

  • You’re given everything. All you have to do is accept.
  • Rick talks about the first half of his book and talks about how our thoughts put imagery in the world and have the energy to co-create.
  • Rick shares his story of being in heaven with a huge box. He continues by talking about how he got where he is today.
  • Rick shares his experience of losing his wife and how he learned to cherish things.

[08:08] Envisioning and Searching

  • He continues to talk about how he dealt with his life’s demise and found a vision and a mission.
  • If you put thought and effort into something, you can achieve it. 
  • The future is what we believe it to be.
  • If you want something special, you have got to believe in it, in such a way that it exists for you.

[14:23] The Subconscious mind 

  • You have got to release and get rid of the negative energy. The things that are made for you will come to you.
  • It’s about flowing with the river but paddling gently in the right direction. 
  • You have to put thought and energy into life when you are contemptuous. 
  • Rick talks about his life after his wife passed away and wanted to find a motive and was looking for contempt. 
  • Someone thought of the world, and it was created because everything is a wave until it is created.

[18:53] Managing and Exploring Life

  • You don’t gotta go to work; you get to go to work. You don’t gotta get up; you get to get up.
  • Rick talks about how everyone is in a different arena and helps them open up to it to gain everything possible.
  • If we help each other become better, the world becomes a better place one step at a time.

[21:24] Imparting Knowledge and Setting Rules

  • Rick talks about his children and grandchildren and how he works on imparting knowledge to them.
  • If you have focused thinking while doing something, you will get good results.
  • You need to have a specific set of achievable rules, bring you happiness, and be realistic. If you are miserable, it’s because your rules don’t align with your life. 
  • Words are compelling.
  • You are what you say you are. 

[28:45] I am

  • When you say “I am,” your subconsciousness knows what it is, and it just connects.
  •  Some things are so well taught that we don’t even realize that we are doing it.
  • Your kids reflect exactly who you are without any filters.

[32:37] Dismantling Logic and Reason

  • You should figure out what makes you feel bad, listen to what other people say, too, review your rules and feel what is true inside you and get it in alignment.
  • Rick talks about how he likes to unfold and his favorite music and its influence on our life.
  • There is always good and bad, but we do have a choice. 
  • Rick talks about his favorite mantra of Ho’oponopono and the story behind it. 

[41:00] The Journey

  • Rick talks about how happy he is with life and feels like he has lived to the fullest, but life goals are always ongoing. 
  • It’s not the trip; it’s the journey.
  • Ricks discusses his book and the calling he had to pen it down. 
  • We all have feelings, and if we listen to them, they guide us in the right direction. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“Pain is a pathway to the divine.”

“What you believe in, as if it has already happened, will be yours.”

“It’s hardest to see your own self.”

“You can’t make everyone happy.”

“If you are not loving yourself, who is going to love you.”

About Rick

Rick is an engineer, businessman, and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is the CEO in the cement and steel industry and is recognized as the leading authority. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, accessing requirements, and solving problems on and off the work field. His latest book helps you tap deep into yourself and discover the quantum realms.

https://www.thequantummindset.com/

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So 54321 Hey, their spiritual dope, man, I always I always say my name and Brandon Handley here. I can’t, I can’t help but say, Hey, it’s me here. I’m back again. I’m here with Rick Thompson, who’s an engineer, businessman and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is a CEO in the cement and steel industry is recognized as the leading authority on post tensioning procedures working with big tech clients such as Microsoft and Google. Rick has been infatuated with science, math and the workings of the world since childhood. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, assessing requirements and resolving problems on and off the word field. His practical approach to business life and science is what makes his recent book very special and adjustable to the average reader. His book, his guide has guided programs and will provide you with tested nuts and bolts methods for entering the quantum mindset and tapping the heightened tools for manifesting your deepest dreams. And, Rick, thanks for being on the show today.

Rick Thompson 1:01
Thanks for having me. It’s always an honor and pleasure to share with others,

Brandon Handley 1:05
our present so I love to start this off with the whole idea that you know, your god man, that, you know, we are we are vessels for the creative energies of flow through the universe, and that you and I are connecting through this medium through this amplification through the podcast, with at least one specific person that’s going to catch a message that can only be delivered through you today. In this instance, true source. What does that messager

Rick Thompson 1:35
well, that you’re given everything and all you have to do is accept?

Unknown Speaker 1:42
Yeah, well,

Brandon Handley 1:42
I mean, let’s expand on that, right? I mean, I mean, I think that’s gonna be a big part of the conversation, where, you know, if I’m out there, and I’m like, Hey, man, I want everything How come was not here?

Rick Thompson 1:55
Well, that’s what the book comes, I go through, you know, the first part of my book really tells the physics behind it, until cell particle doesn’t really become a particle until it’s observed. So through many of the things like, they have this water crystal, that when they put positive energy on it, it turns to beautiful crystals. And when you put negative energy on it, and they have these different tests, even with the plant, they can kind of do these things and measure that reaction. So our thoughts in itself put energy into the world. And we have the power to So speak cocreate, because our energy is creating part of the world in front of us, you know, there’s all these other things that have been created before or by others, but we have the ability with our energy to kind of trade what we want. And to me, I have a story I like to tell, can is, puts this perspective helped me to learn that when you go to heaven with you is a giant golden box. And on that box is your name. And you get up there and you see it and go, Wow, this box is beautiful. And I wonder what’s in it and finding us what’s in this box. And they says, Well, normally we don’t tell people what’s in the box. But you ask, and it’s your box. So they open it up. And in it is all the gifts that God gave you that you did not accept. And so, you know, it’s the truth that like the sunshine shining on your world, given everything, we just have to accept the gifts that he gives us. All of this go around telling us how unworthy we are and how we don’t deserve and when smart enough. And you know, that’s just the negative or whatever power, you want to call it on the other side, kind of drag a spout away from all the beautiful things that life has given us and makes possible for us.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Now love that. So you’ve got you’ve got quite a quite a few things in there. I heard that story heard you tell that story a little earlier. And I really enjoyed the first time I’ve heard it definitely, definitely made me you know, stop and pause and think about what gifts survive, you know, kind of rejected. And then you’ve also got the route that’s the particle particles could be a wave or a particle, right until you observe it. Right? That’s the that’s the physics piece that you’re talking to. And then you’re also talking about Mr. He was a more a motto, right? The Japanese water experiment that was done. And I think that those are all awesome examples, right of physics. And then, you know, also the power of the mind. I think a question that comes to my mind is one of the same ones that I have for myself, like, what were some of the gifts that you were not receiving? That you recognize that that you actually had a gift for? I believe, I believe one of the stories I heard was that you were told that you were slow and that you had a learning disability and that you were a dreamer. But here you are today. You know being being this being this catalyst in the world that you are today. How did you how did you come upon that?

Rick Thompson 4:52
like to say you live life, and it’s for me, it’s like what didn’t happen overnight. But that’s it. Child, you know, my father left me when I was very young, and I never saw him again. You know, my mom had to raise me and she did remarried, and she remarried a great kid guy. And, you know, you can say, that’s the happiest day of, you know, my dad left, he gave me $1. And it made me really happy me and my sister both got a dog because dad can have any piece of candy. We’re very young. And it’s just, you know, it was so much to me as a little kid, that it was really excited. But that’s also the last time I ever saw. So I remembered as a happy moment. But you know, it’s kind of sad, because I never saw him again. So, to me, that’s a gift. I was given a happy moment to remember my father by at the last moment, even though it’s a breakout, and the things he went through and the suffering he had to do, because he wasn’t there, I didn’t have to suffer through I had a very good life. And because I was kind of feel rejected as a child, I think that’s why I got branded kind of the way I did. But as I read and learned and grew, you know, I and I learned to understand what was going around me and realize that I wasn’t. And I started applying those applications in life. Like, when I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to set a track record. And one of the things I did is I just envisioned it and said it. And I actually made bets with everybody the year before, saying that’s what I was going to do. And the next year I did it, and Matter of fact, I did it way above what I had ever expected. And so kind of helped me to find that what you believe in, you can make happen. And I had a very, I had a great life, you know, I was married and had children’s and a nice house. And I wasn’t super rich, but I definitely wasn’t poor. I lived what I would consider a good life. And that life was so good that it’s like what do you do to make a better life, I was happy. I was loved. I lived where I wanted. But 10 years ago, my wife passed away. And when she passed away, it created this terrible pain. And of course, the question is always why God mean. And I dealt with that for a while and started searching the world out. And instead of complaining about what was taken from me, I found that it was more important to cherish what was given. Because my wife taught me how to love and be a really good man and taught me so much. And she was so kind and generous. And I don’t know why things happen. But if I try to explain them, I just go crazy. But I do know, by changing my perspective from meaning me, why am I suffering to the gifts I got and what I can do for others, it allowed me to, you know, rebuild a new line to help others. And I do it in her name, kinda, you know, in her memory and her kindness and loving me, I help others and try to be the best man I can and just grow a little bit each day to be a better man. And those experiences are the kind of gifts that you know, when they happen, you think they’re not a gift, but when you look back at him, and look at both sides, you know, through your entire life, they turn out a gift that really makes you the person you want today.

Brandon Handley 8:24
So that’s, you’ve got your gifts that you were given, right? I mean, you do you go all the way back to the last time you saw your father, you know, I kind of jotted down, you know, this would be a story, right? Where you asked for a penny and you got $1, right, you asked and you receive but like, you know, maximum amount. And how there’s also you can look at that as a happy moment and and a sad moment, right. And then you have the other part that you talked about there was setting the track record and envisioning that what’s kind of funny is a real similar story that and that’s what’s one of my anchor points to to kind of recognizing the achievements I was like, first or second grade, though, and I ended up being like the fastest kid right, but like just kind of coming back and envisioning that like seeing yourself doing it and living it right. And, and then, you know, you’ve also got like this kind of this life that you’re living that you love, and how could it be any better and then and then your wife passes away. And that and that was like the you know, silence me to like, you know her again, listen to another one of your podcasts. I was like, No, she was true love to you. Right? That means a big big part of your life and you are in a you’re in a lot of pain and I love this line. There’s a person I listen to Sarah blonde and and she’s got this. This meditation is called, you know, pain is a gateway to divine and it sounds kind of like it that’s what it that’s what it did for you. It opened up a pathway to the divine for you. Is that what you were searching for? right because you said you kind of went out there searching. You were your why God me And were you searching for like, why are you in pain were you searching for? What was it you were searching for? In that moment? I’m just curious enough.

Rick Thompson 10:10
I was kind of searching is why am I hearing? What should I do? If I’m going to, you know, wrong to hurt yourself? So I can’t do that, because that would be a sin. In my rules anyway. And then, so I say, Well, if I’m gonna be here, then why? And what can I do to make it what you want, but you need what there is for me and the world. And so that’s kind of why I wrote the book, because I wrote some books. So I hope I can get other people to realize that if you put the thought and effort towards what you want, you can achieve it. You know, we’re all given everything to me. And if you put the action and the proper thought towards it, you will be given those things. I know, when I started doing it, after my wife passed away, I believe that will just give me everything. I, you know, work and my brain chemistry. And, you know, when I had that positive attitude, and I really protection for us, and it’s just like, whatever any kind of showed up. So I felt very blessed. Today, I feel extremely blessed. Right, this very building, it’s not like, there is a more, but it’s not like, I don’t have enough you.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Right? I mean, you get to you get to a great point. You know, but again, to so it looks like looks like sounds like what it was like, you know, why am I here? Right? What you’re searching for meaning, you know, I mean to, you know, Man’s Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, right? Like, what are you? You’re searching, right? You know, what, if you’re going to take away the things that the, you know, what was making my life so great, then why am I here and kind of searching for purpose is kind of what I’m hearing. And then you’re talking about, you know, the idea of, you know, kind of thinking and taking action. But what about the effort and effort doesn’t have to be like this extreme effort to have to really try superduper hard and like all my waking hours does that need to be? Is that how we get things? Or how, you know, what is your recommendation in regards to that?

Rick Thompson 12:19
Well, I think it’s more, there’s a conscious mind and its subconscious mind. And the conscious mind thinks, and it can think about stuff, but it takes a ton of energy and your body’s chance to physically try to reduce energy. So it will use everything in the lower levels again, so you, they tell you, like 10% of your brain, you only use 10% in your brain. But the truth is, you’re only using 10% of it consciously, you’re using 90% of it, subconsciously. So what really creates a future for us is what we totally believe. And it kind of says in the Bible, what you believe in as if it’s already happened, will be yours. So that belief is a subconscious belief, not a conscious belief. It’s when you automatically throw the football and it goes through where you want, you didn’t think about it, it just happened. And the same thing goes for things you want in your life. If you want something special, or you you got to believe in it in such a way that it exists for you. You can see it in people that have been successful. It’s like, Man, that guy just goes through life, he doesn’t put any effort into it. And it just all happens for him. That’s the way it needs to work. Because if you believe 1% subconscious, then you’re putting very little energy into it. But if you’re thinking about it and trying to force it, then it doesn’t really come to you. So that’s why people say, I put all this thought and energy into it. But you just can’t pound it in you got to kind of like, be in the wave and float with it. And it’s got to come from a subconscious level not a conscious level.

Brandon Handley 13:56
Yeah, and I’ve definitely seen this show up in my life. And I guess a couple questions I would have would be you know, do you feel like you are doing it? Or do you feel like the creation, the experience is happening through you and for you. And you know, just kind of curious on your take on that.

Rick Thompson 14:18
I feel like it’s happening, too. And for me, it’s just you’re going with the flow. I think that negative energy like bad thoughts are the things that hold you back. And the main thing you got to do is kind of forgive and get rid of the negative energy. And when you can just release and let go and you become part of the the universe the world whatever God however you want to describe it. Then it just flows with it and the things you’re supposed to do and the things that are supposed to happen come to you and you have choice, kind of but you know you’re kind of set for a path you’re given powers and those ones that you enjoy are the ones you set to do your stuff. We are getting There’s a choice between what we want to do. And when you’re choosing the things that you’re best at, you’re the most happiest. So I feel like it’s letting loose and accepting the flow of the river, but paddling gently in the right direction.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So, you know, where do you feel like you first saw this happening for you in your life and began to accept it?

Rick Thompson 15:31
Well, I thought at a younger age and started to accept it, but I saw it the most after my wife died, because I put more mental energy into it. One of the things I found that, you know, can’t contentment, you don’t have to put much thought into life, or energy into life if you’re totally content. And when I was married, with my wife, and my family and kids eyes, I had a good job, I had a happy life I was loved. I was very content. And I didn’t have any need to really find a change. But then when my wife died, I had pain and suffering, and I was not content. And through that, I put a lot of effort. And because I opened my eyes and looked more, I saw things I never saw before.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Yeah, I mean, what what an example of the some of the things that you you saw that you weren’t able to see before?

Unknown Speaker 16:27
Well,

Rick Thompson 16:30
I just went to other people, and I saw people able to do things, you know, I saw people that could, I saw a guy that could look at somebody’s eyes and a picture and tell what they’re thinking, I saw people that spiritually came up to me and talked to me about my wife, and I just traveled around and I read books, I started becoming more thirsty for knowledge, because I wanted to find what it was. So I read books, and I put them together and tried to see how they fit. And then I asked different questions like what makes a man happy and successful. And I looked at those, and when I saw them, you know, I saw the spirit, spiritual world kind of open up, or we’re all connected, we’re all connected. You know, through quantum physics, if you want to think like, somebody thought of the world, and it was created, because everything’s a wave until it’s graded. Well, the person is better the world and everything was God, he thought of it. And then he was all created. And they say, the world is created in seven days. If you stand on the event horizon, and look at the creation of the universe, it would look like seven days standing there at that point. So it is possible from his perspective, that the world was really created in seven days, in our perspective, it’s not from his it could be and I just found things like that. And other people scientist, I, you know, we’re interested in when they search and try to find, you know, what puts together universe they all end up turning to God, say, there’s a creator that created everything.

Brandon Handley 18:12
Right, the I love that perspective of, you know, kind of standing on event horizon and seeing, you know, in seven days, kind of everything being created, that’s a really cool visual.

Unknown Speaker 18:26
It’s pretty cool visual. So

Brandon Handley 18:27
when, you know, so you’re in a steel cement business, right? You know, I don’t hear too many people kind of getting into this, in the steel, cement business, you know, you’re CEO of your business, and you know, how how, you know, encouraging your, your, and you’re out there right to like, what I mean by that is, you’re putting your books out there, you’re talking about this stuff. I mean, so how is this showing up in your business?

Rick Thompson 18:54
I meet several people that work for me, and I try to teach them those ways, and help them to look at the world differently. You know, one of the things I love to tell people each day is you don’t got to go to work and get to go to work, you don’t got to get up, you get to get out. You know, it’s all a matter of perspective, how you look at it, I get to do everything I do all day long. I don’t have to, if I truly didn’t want to I can say I’m not going to do that. But I’m electing to so instead of saying I have to, I like to say I get to and I teach people those kind of things one step at a time and see where they’re at in life and try to help them because everybody’s in a different arena and try to open up the world to them. So they’ll know that anything for them they want as possible.

Brandon Handley 19:40
Have you had Have you had people you know and underneath kind of like your tutelage at the company, who’ve really been able to take to this and shine and really apply it.

Rick Thompson 19:55
Well, I don’t have a very big company, but I think they all take to it and shine with it a little bit. That’s what I like to believe in my heart. You know, I always say it’s hard to see your own cell. But what I see is people are taking it in their life to become better. I’ve had several people say that it has changed their life. So I’m very grateful I, like I said, you know, we help each other become better, and the world becomes a better place one step at a time. I’m not looking for any glory or anything, but I’d sure like to see the world become a better place each day, just like I’d like to grow a bit each day. And by helping others having a better attitude, you make the world better, and they help others and so on, and so on, and so on. And

Brandon Handley 20:35
that’s great deed and your, your, your children to write How many children do you have?

Rick Thompson 20:41
I have? Well, I’m remarried. So I have to buy my first wife, and three by my second wife. So we have five children and four grandchildren. And my daughter has two and she has two. So I have my children.

Brandon Handley 21:00
Uh, thanks for not making me do the math, uh, the the, you know, so the idea of really is as a parent, right now, as a grandparent, how are you trying to impart this to your children in such a way that I can tell you right, when I first kind of had some of these moments, and first had some realizations, I’m, you know, trying to stop it, and my, you know, my kids are kind of young, but like, just making sure that they’re exposed to it. So that, to your point, right, that you don’t have to wait till later in life. To learn this stuff, right? The sooner that you learn it, the sooner you can apply it, and hopefully, you know, how you don’t have to suffer through some of the shenanigans? I did. Right? Or, you know, that’s what we’d like to impart. Right? So have you know, what’s it like sharing it with your children? And what are they? What are they?

Unknown Speaker 21:51
What are they doing with it? Well,

Rick Thompson 21:53
they’re very grateful, they’re good to me, I love my children, they love me back, I feel very grateful. They’re using it to help their lifes grow, and envision what they wanted a life and have a great family and, you know, see what they would like to receive. The grandkids are at a young age, the way I work with them is I just spend time with them, I spend as much time with them as I can. And when I see the opportunity to teach them something and they’re listening, then I try to grab hold of that opportunity. I don’t go up and try to force them to go like, this is what you need to do. I wait for the challenges in life to come along. And then I make suggestions to them. Like, you could look at it this way or that way you have a choice, and try and teach them that they have a choice, because the truth is they do learn the most, and set the most rules from the age of one to seven. So we have an opportunity to really teach them very positive thinking processes at a younger age. And that’s what I try to do is make sure they’re not putting themselves down and saying they can’t. One of the things is, you know, I have a grandson that’s playing football right now. And, you know, we want to make sure to teach him that he’s doing a good job. And he’s not putting himself down for anything he does, you know, the thing you need to look at, did you put the effort and then you did great doesn’t matter. You know, you did great if you put action towards it and proper thought. And the other thing I try to teach him is a lot of it can be thought because if you’re thinking correctly, when you’re doing stuff, you’re gonna get a better results. So what are you thinking about why you’re trying to accomplish your task. And these are the ways I go about it with stories, because I always say stories like the golden box, or other stories, our best way to impress people with different ideas. But the bottom line is I just want to have a happy life. And it’s their choice, what they really decide. I just want to help guide them in the direction that will help them the most.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 24:05
and it’s tough, right? Especially again, as a parent, and you just want them to take this stuff in and you just want to it’s like if we could just like stick a USB, and stick into our head or something and be like, hey, you’re going to need this later at some point, right? That’d be for, you know, skip over these chapters. You’re not going to need these. But if we could do that, that’d be that’d be a lot of fun. You know, what would you mean, though, you said, you know, kind of proper thought and thinking correctly? What do you what do you say? And then when you say that,

Rick Thompson 24:36
well, everybody has different rules. So you want to have good rules. You don’t want to have rules that say, you know, I’m not smart, or I’m not able to be happy. Or maybe some of the rules I see that hurt people is like, my job is to make everybody happy. Well, that’s an impossible goal. You can’t make everyone happy. So you If you make your rules too complex in life, you’re gonna fry pain and suffering about it. What you want to do is have rules like, you know, no matter who you are, I’m going to give you a smile, or I’m going to treat you with respect, I have control of that. So if my rules are like that, then I can control the world around me to a degree, people might be unhappy, or they might be sad, but it’s not going to be my fault, because I didn’t achieve it. So you just got to be careful with your rules in life and what you kind of set in on yourself, so that they’re achievable. And they’re realistic, and they’re beneficial to you. Because most of the things that getting away are going to be our rules that we have about how life should be, you know, if you’re miserable, is because your rules don’t align with your life. And you can change them, if you want. That’s the one thing we have control over. You can’t change people, but you can definitely change your rules.

Brandon Handley 25:55
So that’s great. How do I align those two?

Rick Thompson 25:59
Well, you, it’s gonna be a little bit different for everybody, because we live different lives, and we’re all different. But what you want to do is kind of feel in your heart and your soul what feels right. And when you have bad feelings. You want to say, Well, what caused? What caused me to feel icky about this or bad about that, because we all have those feelings. And then you check your rules out and say, okay, what’s not in alignment that’s making me feel that way? And what would I need to do to make that a good rule that it’d be enlightenment and would make me happy. And you review those rules, and then you would repeat them, like, whatever the new rule might be, just before you go to bed, or when you wake up, it just depends upon each person’s individual, and what they really want out of life. And how they even define words. Because the words may mean something to somebody else when they say him than they do to you. But the I am words, I am this I am that are very powerful. If I am a good man, you will go out of your way to be a good man. That’s what you say and believe. If you say I’m a bad man, you’ll go out of your way to prove to people that’s true, too. So those roles that we make for ourselves are very important to be in line with the happiness and the joy we want in life.

Brandon Handley 27:18
Yeah, see, I can definitely relate to you know, you are what you say you are, right. I mean, you really are fine. If I look back, and oh, man, oh, Jeff, those misspent youth, right? If I look back at those misfit years, when when I was like, Oh, I’m this I am that and and you know, just kind of, and doing it unconsciously and becoming exactly what I said that I was at those points in time. And it’s just unbelievable how, when you start making that choice consciously when you start saying who you are to yourself, and looking for evidence of that, right? I found that to be kind of the one of the pieces that is key here is to state who I am today, right? Who am I today? And that’s like, whoever I want to be even in the future. I already am that right? So what are the pieces that or in the future necessary for that whole thing that I have right now to begin to build on that? I found that to be super, super potent for me. But one of the you got a couple things in here too. First, you know why? Why is I am? Like so powerful? Like just saying I am Dude, what would you say there?

Rick Thompson 28:43
That’s a good question. I’m not exactly sure why I am I just know through research that I am. Because your brain is your subconscious is really one liners. So I think part of it is because it’s just a simple one line I am. So your subconscious knows what I am is and then it just connects. And it doesn’t have to have logic or reason to connect. It just connects. So the I am statements or this is true statements, or how our subconscious is stacked. And then we use those bits of information to think with. So our conscious mind least allows us to analyze and lose us a lot of energy to decide what’s good or bad, or change however we need to. But our subconscious mind is kind of like this deck of cards that’s already pre stacked. And if you get that situation, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s it knows these rules, and it’s going to give you those answers as quickly as possible. Because to jump out of the way of a car. It’s like you don’t want to think about it. You just do it. And a lot of things in life are just like that. You don’t really think about it, you do it and even some things are so well taught to us that we don’t even realize we’re doing when they happen you know you can be talking to somebody and get that funny look on your face or you say this Word, and it kind of offends them a little bit, but you didn’t even know you’re doing that you just do it. So when you get those hard feelings if you analyze them and kind of see what’s going on, it helps you to adjust. I have a story about my daughter that kind of puts that in perspective is when she was very little. I was an ironworker. You know, iron workers are tougher than iron. At work, and I would take that home. And because I was loud and forceful, she said, Dad, you kind of scare me when you know. And she told me one time, and I said, Okay, and she told me, I never talked to our studio like that again. But I didn’t know I was, it was just a habit, I brought home from work. I think a lot of us bring home habits from work and other things. You know, they kind of accomplish what you need at work, but they don’t accomplish what you need out of life.

Brandon Handley 30:52
Yeah, that’s powerful. That’s one of the things that I found to be the gift of having a child, right. Like, they always say that children are a blessing and a gift. And when you’re changing diapers, you like that, you know, like how they are. And like, you know, you want a good night’s sleep. And yeah, there’s realize that here, but I found that they are just amazing at reflecting who you are right back to you without a filter without that without that world filter that says oh, you can’t say that, right? Oh, you can’t say that to a person. Right? That kind of thing. So I, I love I love the children for that. And and how they

Rick Thompson 31:35
write they shine. You’re right. But I love it too. They say exactly what you think,

Brandon Handley 31:40
you know, sometimes it’s not so great or

Rick Thompson 31:41
chubby pop up.

Unknown Speaker 31:46
And, and, and,

Brandon Handley 31:47
and and they you know, they they will say what you say right? They’ll talk how you talk and you’ll hear them talk like you talking like oh my god, I sound like a jerk. Right? Or like, Oh, that’s rough. I live really that rough. Because you know, you have that kind of influence on them. Especially like you said, that age like one through seven super impressionable. That’s also, like you said that the kind of the age where you build some logic and reason. So what what is, I mean, we’ve got some of these logic and reason codes that had been imprinted. Like through that age one through seven. And then I don’t know, we go through like 2020 plus years, maybe 30, maybe 40. If you’re a late bloomer like myself, when you when you finally realize that, hey, you’ve, you’ve got all this logic and reason that you built up over the years, how do you how do you begin to, like, dismantle that.

Rick Thompson 32:42
Or you’d like to say you want to see the things that make you feel bad, and listen to what other people say to and you want to review your rules, because it’s a basically gets down to what did your subconscious really believe, you know, you can tell like, I’m going to be a millionaire. And your subconscious will tell you kind of like now. Now you’re not ready yet. So you can feel inside what’s really true, you know, and when, and when you get those in alignment, those feelings, you know, I’m going to do this or that and it feels right, then you’re getting the right belief behind you, and you just reinforced those, as we get older, I think it’s harder to change in, you know, that’s why as a child, it’s a gift to kind of help them teach so much because it does stay with them very easily through all their life. As we get older, we kind of reinforce it with you know, talking to herself, or, you know, I like to use music that sings good songs to you, that tells you the kind of stuff you’re trying to think correctly. I pick out certain songs in the morning to listen to that will help you get started that just kind of put that thought into you, or you can use mantras, but the hard part is to sit down and say what are my rules? And do they serve me and the people around me? And if they do then they’re good and if they don’t then we’ll Why don’t you adjust them a little bit?

Unknown Speaker 34:04
The

Brandon Handley 34:08
good music? What do you know? Are you willing to share kind of what your your your morning wake up routine music is I mean, what gets you going?

Rick Thompson 34:17
Well, I’m not really good with all the names but I have you know, I like pop and I like different music. I have a handful that ranges from you know, classic rock, country music, and I just look for things that say positive stuff. Like there you know the song This is going to be the best day of my life.

Brandon Handley 34:37
Yeah, it’s a great song. I liked it. That’s

Rick Thompson 34:39
a good song. I like that song because this is going to be the I think I like to wish people I hope this is the best day ever had and I hope tomorrow is the best they have every day because every day is the best day from here on in Godrej. Like,

Brandon Handley 34:51
right, right. Hey, listen, I mean, so for years, a couple years they’re not mine is COVID I go to jujitsu To write and and when new barriers How you doing? Do you have when you’re getting ready to spar and like how are you doing? Like, best day in my life everything is call me to this moment, right? Like, I mean, this is the right now is the best moment of my life. It’s all it’s all built up to this moment. So any other good songs that you like? I mean, I know that for me, I literally just answered this question the other day, you know, KC, and the sunshine berry walking on sunshine, right? Yeah, that’s the song that’s like, I mean, we, when you hear that song, you gotta you have no choice. You got to, you got to smile, you got to be walking on sunshine, anything else you got,

Rick Thompson 35:35
I got a ton of them. But I don’t want to offend anybody. But you know, when I die, and I’m gonna go to the place, that’s the best.

Brandon Handley 35:41
Yeah, that’s a

Rick Thompson 35:43
champion. And, you know, I have a loved ones that I like, just, you know, what loves about and different things like that. I mean, I’d be interested from the audience, because I’m always looking for new songs, what they think are the best songs because I really think that starting your day, like that, or listen to that kind of stuff really makes an impact on your subconscious way of things. And so many songs have, you know, negative impact on them and stuff. Same as movies, so many movies can have, you know, very negative implications to them. So I’m looking for stuff to put that positive in positive thinking into your brain, so I can get that positive thinking out of my brain.

Brandon Handley 36:27
So it’s funny you say that because remember al gore Al Gore, Al Gore and tipper Gore, was it remember, they were trying to get like some of that, you know, all that, you know, not bad. I wouldn’t call it bad music. But now I wouldn’t listen to it. Right. Some of the some of the stuff that I listened to when I was younger, because of, of just how influential that is on our minds. Do you remember that? Like I do, I

Rick Thompson 36:49
don’t have to say about that. Because you know, they. There’s good and bad in everything. It doesn’t matter what it is? Yeah, you know, you have a choice. If you choose in those kinds of things, there must be a reason I don’t judge because I haven’t lived your life. But that’s going to get back to what are your rules? To your rules say that you have to fight everybody that comes along? Or can you negotiate it? And yeah, like I said, I have not lived the life of the people and how they make the decisions, or why they like stuff. I just know, for me, that’s what I prefer to have happy life. And that’s what I would recommend others. But some of those tunes that are got some weird lyrics, and let’s just say they got catchy tunes.

Brandon Handley 37:41
Hey, listen, don’t don’t get me wrong. Like, there’s still gonna be days when I still play some songs and stuff, right? And and it’s interesting, because I don’t listen to music quite as quite as much as I used to. And what will happen though, is that those lyrics will pop up in my head, like the next day or a few days later, I’m like, oh, wow, I you know, I haven’t seen that in forever. But then I can also recall, just the last time I heard it, and just I’m so cognizant of what goes in now. And seeing it show up later, right, like literally planting that seed in my mind, and it shows up somewhere else later. And I think that’s the kind of kind of what we’re hearing to for you. I think another one I like to Rick is I can see clearly now. Right? That’s a good one. I like that one. What about like, a couple mantras? Do you have the what’s what’s one or two matches that you find yourself using to help you stay positive,

Rick Thompson 38:41
I like to use Have you heard of Ono Pono.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I’ve heard of it, I have not delved deeply into it and want to tell us a little bit about what that is.

Rick Thompson 38:48
So Ono, Pono is a like a Hawaiian chant. And there was this guy that went to a prison. And he was hired as the lead, you know, the director of the prison. And when he went there, it was a terrible place. And people were fighting and having all this trouble. And all he did in that prison was to take the people’s pictures, and he would do this pair of them. I love you. Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you. And he would do that in there. Because he felt like, you know, they he needed saving. By saving himself by asking for forgiveness, he’s saving them and eventually that prison, you know, it got better and better until they actually shut it down. And so those are that’s one of the things I like to do. You know, I think about all the little things I did wrong during the day or the things I said to people, and I’ll pick those people out, and I’ll do that at night. Or maybe right after I just did it wrong. And I just send that out now. I just think it makes a big difference. You know, it’s a simple jet, but I love you Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 39:53
Yeah, that’s, that’s, uh, I love that. You know, I love that. I love that story. And it’s first I’ve heard it It reminds me to of, you know, the meta meditations, right the loving kindness kind of real similar, right we send you know, no love and kindness out to somebody other people, some some that you’re having some that you’re on bad terms with some people that you don’t know at all or whatever right now close ones and yourself, right? I think that that’s always important is to, to make sure that you’re giving yourself a little little love. I mean, love yourself first too, right? I don’t know about you. But if you’re not loving yourself, then who’s gonna love you? Right? Right?

Rick Thompson 40:33
I agree. It’s kind of like the oxygen mask. I don’t put them oxygen mask, or I don’t take care of myself, how can I help anybody else? I need to take care of myself enough. So I’m strong to contribute to you.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Know, and you so you, you felt like, you know, again, you kind of fell into this stuff? Have you applied it in your business? Has your business? Do you feel like your business has been exponentially more successful? Or do you just feel more successful as a person in general, because of all that you’re doing in the way you’re employing it? Or is it both?

Rick Thompson 41:06
Both? I feel like my life is way better. I’m happy. I feel like I live. I’m grateful every day I lived a blessed life. I feel so blessed. I’d love to have everything I need. It’s a great life. And my business does well, and I help others. And I mean, it’s not the trip, it’s the journey. So the goals are always more the goals are the opportunities to go forward. I have goals to do all kinds of things in the future. Just because I want to contribute and make the most of my life. It’s not like I need more. I have everything I need today and more. It’s just fun to travel the road.

Brandon Handley 41:47
But what would you say the importance of recognizing that distinction, that you just said that they’re you know, you’ll want more? But you’ve got everything that Jordan need right now? How does that change? Kind of the effort, stress levels, etc?

Rick Thompson 42:07
Well, I think it’s, again, your rules, I think the stress level goes way down. If you can believe those things totally. Can I don’t need more, I don’t have to have this, I’m not suffering, you know, I’m not worried about this or that or that. Those things go away. And I forgive those that make mistakes and don’t hold grudges, and I get rid of that negative engine energy I feel and you write on that energy wave or that love wave, whatever you want to call it. Right? Everybody calls it different. But it’s existed for millions of years, because they talked about it. For me. The physics is different today than it was at the beginning of time. Right? We just call it different stuff and look at it from a different perspective. Right? The physics are all still the same?

Brandon Handley 42:50
No, I mean, you know, to your point earlier, I think a little bit on Nope, we talked about it while we’re here. So much, but everything, you know, God’s created everything right, you know, everything has already been created. It’s really just our awareness of it. Right. And maybe, I don’t know coalescing it through our thoughts and being able to see it, right. I mean, something along those lines, the so what made you What made you decide that, you know, you should be putting out a book. And now, as it relates to this material, why you Why now?

Rick Thompson 43:27
Well, it’s just the way life went. And, you know, you kind of the calling, there’s just something that says, hey, you should do this, you know, I thought I’d never be able to write a book. My history is not a writer, you know, I love science and stuff. But when it comes to the English language, those kind of things, I’m not top notch, I have a lot to learn. But someone came to me and said, Hey, you should write a book. And then I started thinking about what I learned. And I love the subject of science and how energy comes together and how it can help your life. And it helped my life so much. I just had that calling that how do you help somebody? I don’t know for sure what I’m supposed to do to help others. But when you get that feeling in your heart, like you should do something. I tried to do it, and I got that feeling in my heart. I should do that. So I did it.

Brandon Handley 44:14
Nice. My sounds like I mean, it sounds like to your I always get some backlash when I say, you know, following your bliss, but I mean, when you follow, I guess you’re kind of heart hearts guidance is what I guess we could call it. Are you following the guidance of your heart? And that leads to something good? Is that kind of what you’re saying here?

Rick Thompson 44:36
Yeah, I believe that. You know, we all have feelings. We all have feelings. And if you listen to them, they’ll guide you in the right path. When you go into a room you can tell rooms negative or positive. You can tell so many things in life, we don’t realize. It’s like the water crystals. You can prove that your energy does it but there’s energy there. You can when we They do statistics on good and bad things happening when they have prayer, they have perceptions. And statistically, they can prove that when they have those set prayer sessions, the bad events go down. So our energy out there that we have, connect with everybody is available. So what do you do to make that work the best for everybody?

Brandon Handley 45:22
That’s awesome. So where the title of the book again? Where can people kind of go to find it? And where should they connect with you?

Rick Thompson 45:32
The title of the book is the quantum mindset in a nutshell, and I have a webpage, that’s the Quantum mindset.com. You can go there and connect with me there. And if you look up the book and stuff, it’ll connect you to me. And through that website, that’s the best way you want to email, ask questions. If there’s something I can do to help you just let me know. I’d love to help. Awesome and who

Brandon Handley 45:55
would you say like your, your ideal reader, I guess if you know, if we were, if we were talking marketing terms, that avatar or even your niche, like, who’s gonna be picking this book up? Do you think Who’s this talking to?

Rick Thompson 46:11
I think it’s people that are trying to understand life and maybe are looking for a change and not clear whether they can really make that effect on their life. This book gives you a lot of solid facts about why this is possible physically. And if you’re looking for that kind of supporting information, but I think anybody who’s looking for to change their life with positive energy, this book is a good place to start.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Recommend I just want to say thanks for I know you’re a busy man. So I want to say thanks for stopping by spiritual dope and hanging out sharing some of your story, your insights, and you know, hopefully somebody out there is no totally influenced by our conversation today. So thank you.

Rick Thompson 46:53
Well, I hope it helps people and that’s why I’m here to help you and I’m very grateful for you having me here today. And hope you have a wonderful day, your week. Bye.

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In this podcast, we interview Kurtis Lee Thomas, Corporate Mindfulness Trainer, and the book’s internationally bestselling author, The World is Yours, The Awakening – The Secrets Behind the Secret.

Starting, Kurtis gives a message to the listeners of the podcast, “Whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first.” He also talks about the universe and the power it holds. 

Next, Kurtis explains breath-work as a healing mode and the process of dealing with emotions, stress, drama, trauma, and the emotional intelligence of dealing with things. He also discusses his experience with breath-work as compared to numerous techniques that he has tried. He explores the spiritual awakening concepts from his 3-D world and how to get a bigger picture of this world. 

He talks about his best-selling book, which he wrote after going through some unhealed trauma. 

He also talks extensively about the art of manifesting and the fact that we need to know what we want to achieve. 

Next up, Brendon and Kurtis talk about the factors holding us back. Self-sabotaging by focusing on what we don’t want and holding on to something from the past that we don’t need. Then they continue to discuss breath-work and letting go of things. Kurtis says, “you need to let go if you want to let in” and explains how stored emotions create stories. 

Kurtis discusses going from having zero spiritual experience to actually experiencing everything in a span of a month which then led him to research for 10-12 hours a day. He talks about his experiences from the spiritual world, the law of attraction, and cosmic consciousness. 

He then explains how the earth is not our home but our mission and continues with the power of breathing and its techniques. He explains how when you breathe full, you are living your life to the fullest and when you breathe shallow you are living a shallow life. 

Moving on, Kurtis talks about the idea of letting go of things and how it all comes down to comfort. He explains his idea of negative energy having consciousness and the greatest fear of its being destroyed. 

He then goes on to talk about how we live in the age of anxiety and the idea of this population being scared of the future. 

Next, they talk about the game of integration. Kurtis talks about the learning from Buddha and Jesus and integrating knowledge into this 3-D form of life. 

Towards the end, they talk about Kurtis’s experience with fatherhood and the blessing he had to raise a daughter. Ending the podcast, they discuss Kurtis’s new book.

Podcast Outline:

[00:00] Introduction 

[01:06] One message to the listeners

[02:53] Talking about the present

[06:06] The technique of breath-work

[07:54] Introducing breath-work into regimes 

[10:28] Self-sabotaging and holding on

[14:30] The power of breath-work

[16:07] The wakening experience 

[18:40] The significant personal experiences

[24:20] The power of breathing

[27:40] Letting go

[31:16] Breath-work and anxiety 

[37:15] The game of integration

[43:05] Fatherhood

[46:00] The new book: Breathwork Detox: How to Thrive in the Age of Anxiety 

Connect with Kurtis on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/manfromthestars/

Transcription below is machine generated:

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:06
Oh, man, you know, I will say every year, I have like one message, one mantra that I live by. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope I’m on today with Curtis Lee Thomas. He is a corporate mindfulness trainer and a number one best selling author of The World Is Yours. The secret behind the secret. The book has been seen in the hands of mega influencers, like Oprah Winfrey, Tony Robbins, Steve Forbes and Kanye West. Curtis is the founder of breathwork detox and just released his new book titled How to thrive in the age of anxiety and curse before we even get started. Man, I want to what what is your what’s your Instagram?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:36
handle? Man from the stars? What’s that all about? Man from the stars?

Brandon Handley 0:41
Yeah, so

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:42
I am, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:43
I love it. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 0:44
I love it.

Brandon Handley 0:45
So, before we get started, how I like to get these going is Look, man, you and I are creators, right? And the universe creates through us and creates moments delivers messages, yada, yada. There’s only one message that can come through you right now, at this time for one of the listeners, what is that message today?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:18
I’d say the first rule of karma states that whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first, you know, so that was like a big realization, you know, for me, and like, I was looking for a mentor, like I wanted, like, this billion dollar, you know, big business mentor to help me you know, you know, build my success. And I sat there and looked in the mirror. I’m like, you know what, I’m not even helping anybody. I’m not mentoring anybody? How am I going to expect to attract that if I’m not even willing to do that for somebody else. And then, so I agreed to bring somebody on, as soon as I started mentoring somebody, boom, the mentor popped in my life. So it’s like, you know, we all want we all want why, but like, you know, learn to like, learn to use the natural ebb and flow of the universe and to, you know, give and receive, you know, we got, you know, a left and a right hand, and we get a take as much as we were willing to give, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:09
that’s great. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like you get what you give.

Unknown Speaker 2:13
Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:15
and, you know, I love the idea of you know, you’re you’re big in law of attraction, if I’m not mistaken. Obviously, you know, we’re talking about the secret a little bit today. If you look at the idea of like, the tourists, right, the tourists in the field, right? And like how starts off kind of small from the inside. But as it goes out, boom, it gets bigger, and it comes back to like, no matter what, so like the universe’s force multiplier, am I right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 2:40
No, yeah, it is. Yeah, like magnetic beings, man.

Brandon Handley 2:44
Yeah. Well, so let’s, let’s, I mean, let’s start off with me a little bit, a little bit more about, like, where you’re at today, and then we’ll just kind of talk about how you got there. Right. So you just finished up, like, this new book on breathwork. And, and you’re, you know, you’re leading the field by doing like, even corporate training with breathwork. Let’s talk a little bit about not that what’s going on there.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 3:06
Yeah, man, just I just found breathwork to be, you know, literally, like the most powerful healing modality on the planet right now. You know, and through my own journey, you know, I’ve done a lot of stuff, you know, many things that were, you know, invasive, you know, like, combo, you know, putting frog poison inside of us. So you can projectile vomit out toxins, like does pretty invasive, and then go into the jungles and you know, drinking Ayahuasca for, you know, seven days, you know, seven times in a row and within nine days, like some intense stuff, and, and, you know, other modalities, healing modalities, like ozone therapy, and like, you know, pretty still biohacking stuff. And like when I found breathwork, like it was the secret sauce, because I had a five year stomach issue that doctors could not tell me what was wrong with me. I’m talking dozens of doctors, and I went to one breathwork and eradicated my stomach issue. And to the point, I was flabbergasted of like, how that was even possible. And then I hit me, I’m like, wow, the reason why these doctors couldn’t tell me what was wrong with me, is because my issue wasn’t physical. It was energetic. It was emotional. And you know, and this was at the time where, you know, I’m holding on to a certification for life coach, hypnotherapy, NLP, Reiki Master, like I have all these, these tools. And still, I was never taught how to deal with emotions, you know, how to regulate emotions, how to, you know, release the suppressed trauma and all the stuff that we all have from childhood, then, you know, we didn’t have the emotional intelligence back then to learn how to deal with it and started becoming compounded because it kept coming in. But we were figuring out how to deal with the old stuff. And I was one of those people and I got messed up. And you know, it started messing me up physically. So, you know, to me, breathwork was the Trojan horse. Like I actually was taken executives and see To the jungles, the drink I Alaska because I love to give people an experience and I want to give people their results that are immediate and undeniable. You know, and in, you know, I Alaska does that. But it’s you know, you got to take time out, you got to go to the jungle, you got to get a shaman, but breath works like the Trojan horse, you go in there, just say, hey, let’s breathe today, you know? And then these have these profound cathartic releases. And you know, you got dead metal tryptamine Yes, accreting and people are like, you know, dreaming while awake and having these epiphanies and realizations and healing traumas, all from breathing. So I’m like, okay, the world needs to know about this man.

Brandon Handley 5:39
No doubt. You know, I recently, within the past, probably six months, maybe the past year, right? Because I can’t I can’t understand what happened with the timespace contain with 2020. The breathwork, right. You showed up in my life? No, first, you know, I think most people right now. It’s like Wim Hof The Iceman. Right and his story. And then um, you know, another place that it showed up for me was, and I was actually a little disappointed I’m not gonna lie I looked at you know, you listed out these breathworks need to add one is the Japanese breast called like hora h A Ra. And I was reading this book by like, you know, some German dude. And then next thing I know, I got a buddy of mine who’s who’s just started doing some breath work and, and I had my hands out, I was like, just like everything else, right? Just like everything else, right? Like in this self development phase. Now, I’m cool. I’m gonna be good. I’m gonna be over here. I breathe in pretty well, my entire life. I don’t need what you got, right. But what happened was a buddy of mine. You know, he’s like, I’ve been going to the saint is awesome. I was like, Alright, I’ll fucking go. It’ll be fine. And I went, and mind blown dude. I’m like, Mind blown. I don’t have I lost experiences. But I had plenty of other like you call them evasive experiences, or? We’ll call it that and plenty of them and many different varieties. And the beauty of this, this breath work that you’re talking about is just that right? It’s clean. And it’s comes from breathing. Exactly.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:16
Everybody’s everybody’s holding pain, how we all

Brandon Handley 7:20
first, sir, for sure. The breath works pretty amazing. And so you were already kind of out on the, in the front end of kind of like this exploratory space, though. With your life coaching with Reiki and the doing the law of attraction, right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:41
Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:44
Just so you know, bring that up, because you’re kind of already out there in the forefront and having these conversations so what happens like when you when you when you start bringing breathwork to it?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:53
Yeah, well, I realized like, once, you know, my whole first book, The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret was all about awakening, spiritual awakening. And, you know, it could help anyone at any level, you know, awaken, awaken from their slumber of what’s really going on in the world, you know, the 3d world, the spiritual world, it kind of just really gave a good breakdown of the overall bigger picture. And I realized once you start waking people up, you know, the next thing, they’re like, Okay, I’m awake. Now I can see all my stuff my lights turned on. Now, what do I do? I mean, like, life isn’t all peaches and cream, after you wake up. And I was like, wow, we can always people up and you know, their lifes are better. You know, they’re there. Because, you know, when you wake up, you start researching crazy, go pretty much insane, you know, for a good phase of your life. So I’m like, I need to come up with a tool. And of course, like, you know, I didn’t, I found it through my own pain and suffering and, and then I found that tool. And that’s why I wrote the second book because I was like, it was meant to be like a gift for all the people that I woke up Okay, now, here’s how you can like work through all the traumas and stuff and you know, in in the crazy information that you have to disseminate now that you’re awake, and but I did realize something like I realized some super important and powerful from teaching breathwork for the last decade, I’m sorry, I’m teaching the law of attraction for the last decade, and I realized that the majority of people self sabotage their manifestations. And what I learned is that you know, I really don’t have to teach anybody how to manifest because they’re already manifesting. Everybody right now listening to this in this very moment you are manifesting the mechanics are

automatic.

I can remind you that you get to have some clarity you have to remember and know what you want because what you want is up to you but how and when you get it is not okay and then you got to be able to you know, be able to feel the will see the visualizations of it. If you can’t see yourself achievement achieving that, then who else can and then if you’re able to see yourself achieving Then you’re able to feel the emotions. And that is what activates it and sends that beacon out into the universe, you know, and then you have to become aligned with that and take some sort of action that’s going to give, you know, be the breadcrumbs to you achieving what you need to achieve. That’s the mechanics of it. We do it every single day, the small things and big things. But the reason why people say I want this, I want this, I want this and they’re not getting that is because they’re self sabotaging. Now, they’re doing that for two reasons. One, they’re focusing, they’re really focusing on the things that they don’t want, instead of the things that they do want. And we just kind of do it naturally, because our brains are hardwired that way. And I read a study that said, you know, 80% of our thoughts, humans are negative in nature. And 98% of our thoughts every day are the same thoughts we had the day before. So we’re on this shitty hamster wheel, recycling these crappy thoughts every single day. And most of it is worry, doubt fear, lack scarcity. And we’re focused on the things we don’t want to happen. We’re not tapping in to the vibration, of visualizing and feeling the feeling of already achieving and having what it is that you want. That’s the secret. It’s easier said than done. I get it. But why is that the wise important? Why do we keep doing that? And it leads me to the second thing, and that was the game changer as far as manifesting. And what I learned is that people are self sabotaging because they’re still holding on to the junk, to the old limiting beliefs to the old trauma to the past breakups to the partner screwed them over all the stuff that they weren’t given the tools of how to emotionally heal and to let go and forgive. Yeah, we know forgiveness is the root of all healing. But How the hell do you forgive? Where’s the booklet on that? You know, it’s like, I didn’t learn that stuff. And it wasn’t until breathwork that I realized, wow, I’m my own healer on my own everything. And that’s what I want to do. I want to empower people to do the same because that breathing technique goes into literally every Nadi in your system 72,000 Noddies in your system, and clears out all those emotional blockages. This is why you got a roomful of 100 people in a breath work, and you got 85 of them breaking down in tears. I don’t care who you are, how bad acid you are. I’ve done this in prisons, I’ve done this for NFL players, I’ve done this for war veterans, you get the baddest people on the planet, you show them this breathing technique, they’re going to break down. And they’re going to do it gladly, because it’s stuff that they’ve been holding on, that’s just so heavy that you just can’t hold on to no more because it’s weighing you down. I mean, it’s it’s literally blocking your manifestations. And once you clear out all that stuff, I know you’re able to land or take off, like think about it, we all want to take off somewhere, but you cannot take off the you know, those people will not let you take off unless you clear the runway, you know, air traffic control would not let you take off unless you clear the runway. And if you try to land somewhere in life, then that runway has to be cleared. You need to let go so you can let in. And what happens is when that junk still sitting there, you know, occupying the space that you’re the good stuff wants to come in. Right? What does that airplane do? It starts circling it circles, it circles until the runway is clear. And that’s why we feel like we’re going in circles and we’re on this hamster wheel. It’s not because the the why the reason why people are self sabotage is because you got to let go of the stuff that’s blocking the way for the good stuff that you want. That’s it, release and let go.

Brandon Handley 13:33
Who cares? I work so hard for all these, you know, emotions and all these things, right? This is my story. You know, this is this is, uh, you know, I am this way because of the breakup, I am this way, because, you know, he kept all my CDs, I am this way, you know what I mean? So,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 13:53
let me say this off of that, that is important, and what you what you’re hitting on, and it’s the cause of it, actually. Because you know, and the reason why people don’t heal isn’t because of their biology. It’s because of their biography, the same bullshit story, they keep telling themselves over and over again, you know, even if it’s true, that’s what’s weighing them down. That’s what’s holding them back. And, you know, stored emotions create stories. And when we learn to get rid of those emotions, the stories go with them, and we learn to get rid of the stories, those stored emotions go with it. But I realized, the key with the breath work is it gets the emotions out. And then the stories come up and you realize that bullshit and you stop saying them and you create a new narrative

Brandon Handley 14:42
in your life. That’s awesome. So you get I mean, you know, through through the power of breath work, you’ve got a kind of a release mechanism, a recharging mechanism. And, you know, if you did it right, then you know, your head was supercharged. Right and And, you know, you kind of you got these visualizations and you haven’t experienced that. Even if you’ve done iosa even if you’ve done copious amounts of shrooms or anything else like that, in your life, this experiences is wholly different than that, right? And it’s, um, not a big one to say, elevated, it’s an elevated experience, though, right? And, and all senses of the word because again, it’s something that you just did just by breathing, you elevated your whole sense of being just in that moment, right? And, and you super, super, really got past your stories and your bullshit, right? And again, um, so you know, what I’m really curious about, though, too, is you talked about your awakening experience, right? I think that what’s what’s kind of interesting about these awakening experiences is that they can happen at any time in your life. And it sounds new, you’re younger than me. But that doesn’t mean like, you can’t, you can’t have that experience, right? It doesn’t matter how old you are, you can it can come at any time. So I’m curious to hear kind of about what your awakening experience was. because like you said, when you have that you’re like, I gotta go figure out what just happened to me. What just happened to me, and they like, you got to go learn so much stuff, right? Like, alright, well, this, you know, it’s totally real, because it just happened. right to you. Right? And so, tell us a little bit about that. And then like, you know, kind of what you did to get your, your sea legs back, right.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 16:33
Man, I’ll say that I had the most because I’m a very stubborn minded, Capricorn logical, analytical, so the universe had a knock me upside the head in every direction. And I went from having zero, you know, spiritual experiences, nothing like that would ever stand out. And within a matter of three months, I had every single spiritual experience you can imagine. And because I believe that they happened all at the same time, it caused me this, like, shattered my world, my reality, my life went upside down. But really, I later found out it was turned right side up. And I started researching and, you know, luckily, I had a little money saved where, you know, it shook me so much. I didn’t work, I think, for that for the rest of that year. And I was researching literally, probably 10 to 12 hours per day, every day, while I was getting headaches and migraines, it was pretty bad. And, and yeah, I became obsessed, because I have that obsessive, you know, personality. And when I need to learn something, it’s like, I got to go all in. And at the time when I was when I was awakening, which is probably 1010 years ago. I remember searching stuff on YouTube. And I searched at all like all the spiritual alien, weird stuff that was there. I got I consumed all the content, literally, all of it, where I was waiting for people to post I had notification I’m like, like, when’s people going to post like, I’m searching for that I couldn’t find the information. Now, today. I mean, I’d have to live, you know, 1000 lifetimes to be able to watch all the videos that are out there.

Brandon Handley 18:11
Yeah, no, amen. Man. I mean, I saw I saw on your pictures too, like you’re hanging out with Bruce Lipton. He was definitely part of my, you know, experience of like, hey, I’ve got to go out there and learn everything, all the all those all of his videos, and all that kind of content. So what would you say? Like, what were some of those specific experiences that if you could share any of that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 18:35
Sure. I’ll give me like the top the top one. So, you know, one was, I had no idea about the spirit world. And my brother had passed away, and it was sudden, nobody knew who did it. It was a homicide. And I ran into a psychic. And she, you know, I didn’t believe in psychics at that time. And long story short, she connected to him, I had a conversation. I didn’t, I was very skeptical, then all of a sudden, I’m like, Whoa, this is him. Like his personality was coming through. He was telling me things that only only me and him knew. And I was like, wow, like, how does this How is this all possible? And then he told me like the like, What happened to him? You know, and who did it? And it was pretty wild. And you know, Nobody. Nobody knew. And I was the only person that then you know, had this conversation. And then two weeks later, they ended up catching the people that kill them. And it was the same names he told me in the session. And I was like, What in the world? Like, how is this possible? So now, I’m like, want to learn about like the spirit world. So that was like one part. And then you know, I I started learning about the law of attraction, I read the secret. So now I started becoming more empowered. like wow, like my thoughts can really turn to things like oh yeah, this happened. And then the universe shows you more synchronicities and some weird stuff started happening and then The railway stuff started happening where I started astral projecting. So at nighttime was like, I didn’t know your soul can leave your body without dying. Like, nobody taught me that I didn’t read that in the manual. And I started having those lucid dreams. And then I actually seen a UFO, several UFOs. And then I learned about something called sci fi, which is Close Encounters of the of the fifth kind where these people from around the world, they’ll go to undisclosed locations, and they’ll call in extraterrestrial ships. And I’m like, this is a thing, like, like, Where’s the How much is it? 300 bucks take my money, like, I just, I’m going like, even if it’s like, just to prove myself. And sure enough, Bro, I went to this training in Joshua Tree. And there was a three day training and every single day the ship showed up. And I was like, wow, is this not in the news? How I was not people talking about this, I got a cool little certification, C five, certified basler that I you know, I don’t think I can show that to too many people. But like, This all happened in like, three months, you know, it’s like, and so now my life is like, completely. And you know, what, and I’ve mentioned the ET thing, because what really happened is when I when I saw the UFO, you know, it was like, from one moment to the next I was changed person. Because what happened in my brain, if I can articulate it is I was like, wow, you know what? Anything is possible. Anything is possible. And like I realized at that moment, oh, this is why this is the most top secret thing in the government that they don’t want you to know is because if people knew the truth about ETS, it literally expands your consciousness faster, and more efficiently than any other truth that I ever had. It’s like you just shattered this glass ceilings. And next thing you know, you got cosmic consciousness. So I started to stop thinking in 3d. And earlier you asked me, Why do I call myself man from the stars, is once once I started researching and understanding the totality of who I am, why we’re here, what’s really going on the you know, the greater narrative of galactic history because, you know, people whose there’s people out there still believe Christopher Columbus discovered America. I mean, the guy was given a map that was already drawn out. And when he got there, people were already there. So How the hell did we buy this when we were kids, you know? So it’s like, they don’t we don’t even know. And if you look at the history here in the United States, and you go to China and Russia, you’re looking at completely different histories. You know, it’s written by the victors. So forget about we don’t even know world, US history, nevermind world history, forget about galactic history. And what I learned about it is that, you know, Earth is, is not our home. It’s our mission. There’s a lot of light warriors, you know, in lightworkers, who came here with a very specific mission. And right now people are stepping into their power. This is why you’re here, this is why you have this podcast, this is why you created the space. This is why you have these listeners, this is why we do what we do. And it’s been culminating and building up to something bigger,

Brandon Handley 23:04
which is right around the horizon. And, you know, this is this is why we do what we do. Now, that’s powerful, right? It’s great that you say that right? When you when something is shattered, right? And the illusion of something shattered like that, then that opens up a whole bunch of other possibilities. It just says, Well, if that’s not real, if everything that I’ve been told up to this point, you know, in this one moment, this is a pretty big moment for you. And if that’s not real, then your mind blown, right? But the the other part of it, too, is what you do right now with the breath work. You don’t even know how to breathe, what else have you been doing wrong? And that’s the thing that you do every single day of your life. Right? I mean, that’s, I mean, that’s Sorry, I got to it that it sort of was like I was like, we’re not even breathing, right? I mean, when we’re not.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 24:00
When you say that, it’s literally like, like, we actually do something called paradoxical breathing. So like, if I have a room and I’m teaching like 200 people in a room and I say, Hey, everybody on the count of three, you know, put your hand on your belly, put your hand in the chest and the count of three, everybody take the deepest breath, and they everybody goes through that. And you see all that chest fills up and not one belly moves. But guess what, if you ever watch a fish or dog or a baby, if you watch them breathe, when they take a breath in, the only thing that moves is their belly. Hmm. And that’s how we’re supposed to breathe, posted, breathe through the diaphragms and, and hit that power center because the belly is where 80% of our serotonin is produced, is where 80% of our immune system, you know, is so it’s like the two things we crave the most is what held that happiness, right? And it’s located in the guy without even breathing in there. And we actually do it on purpose. Subconsciously on purpose, if that makes sense, is because the stomach is where we house our emotions. And so what happens is we store a lot of trauma there. So people subconsciously don’t want to breathe into that area because they don’t want to feel the pain of life. But what happens is, when you do that, you also stop the pleasures and the joy of life. And that serotonin production in your immune system, and you know, we got to breathe full, because when you breathe full you out, you live a full life. And when you breathe shallow, you’re living a shallow life. Like, it’s all everything is connected to everything else, that how you do anything, is how you do everything. So it’s like, you know, when people come to my breathwork sessions, that we talked about this earlier, I said, you know, life life and breath work is like an ATM. You know, you’re going to get out of it, what you put in, you know, so we got, we got to do deep breathing, we got to do conscious breathing, and I know it sounds so like, like flimsy. wimzie. Like, oh, yeah, come and breathe with me. It’s gonna change your life. Or, hey, come take this walk with me, brother. You know, Brandon, come take this walk, I’m gonna change your life. It’s like, Come on now. But when you go to this breathing venue, like we have just socks get knocked off. You don’t know what the heck hit Yeah. And your life changed? And, you know, 30 minutes?

Brandon Handley 26:07
Yeah, no. 100 100%, right. You know, just like kind of like all these other things like where you set an intention for the those breathwork sessions and you come out of it. And some of that stuff’s already been done. you couple that with the power of, you know, kind of law of attraction and thoughts create things. And when you couple that with know, the emotional outlet and the visualization of a breathwork session, you’re like, not hyperdrive, right, like, I mean, it’s Yeah, it’s gonna happen one way or another. And that’s, um, you know, I just think another, another tool that I, you know, I, you know, I’m curious. Now. Now, of course, I’m like, none of us good enough. Now. I’m like, now I’m like, Alright, well, what’s next? Right?

Unknown Speaker 26:53
Because Yeah, the law

Brandon Handley 26:54
of attraction, things is pretty well figured out. Right? Like, you’ve got that pretty much nailed down. I think one of the things that’s important too, is like, you talked about it kind of in the earlier right, let go stuff so so you can let other stuff in. Right. And that’s kind of like another piece of the law of attraction, like people are holding on to what they’ve got what already is, right? versus like, you know, the possibility of what could be and they’re so afraid to let go of all the things they don’t even want. Exactly, right. There’ll be like telling you like, oh, that thing, I hate that this thing, I hate this, I hate this, that the other thing, but I’m, I’m afraid to let go of it to get what I actually want. I mean, talk to me a little bit about through that, and like kind of how you get people past that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 27:41
I mean, that is like the ultimate paradox of life, right? It’s like, you know, we want all these things, but we’re afraid to let go of the things. And it really comes down to the emotion, if you’d call it that of comfort. We become comfortable with the pain in the brain, the brain is not designed to make you smart, and make you all this money. The brain is designed to keep you safe. And it keeps you safe by keeping you comfortable, it keeps you in a comfort comfort zone. That’s why whenever you venture outside your comfort zone, the brains like Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? It’s like, you know, fear, doubt, failure, all these like little missiles coming at you trying to prevent you. And you got to overcome that, you know, and even with breathwork, you know, the hardest part of breathwork is the first, you know, eight to 10 minutes, and all the things that’s going on behind the screen of your awareness comes to the forefront, and the brain literally tries to prevent you from continuing the breath work, being to have a breakthrough, because it’s afraid, you know, that it’s going to be eliminated, you know, you can kind of connect this to ego, we can get a little bit deeper, because I had this philosophy that negative, heavy and negative energy has consciousness, you know, it’s a dense consciousness, and its greatest fear that it holds is the fear of destruction, fear of elimination, and I learned this taking people to the jungles of Peru. And when I noticed, you know, to 23 people, you know, you’d have almost every single person would have these stories of how it was almost impossible for them to get there. And it was because, you know, all these things came up that tried to prevent them from getting to the jungle to have this experience. Because that energy inside of them, which is a part of them was had consciousness in it knew it was going to the jungles to be eliminated. And it did everything to prevent that person from having that breakthrough because it feared death. Right. So I think that the two reasons is is one that energy that that’s in us, it we’re comfortable with it and went to the point where well we’re willing to hold on to it because we’re afraid of the unknown. We’re afraid what’s next, even if it could be good you You know what whatnot. And then the other thing is, you know, the consciousness of these energies that are inside of us that are living that we’re looking to get out. You know, these traumas have have stone stories in personality. And you know, they don’t want to leave. So you got us the comfort, the comfort, and you got the the energy of that that does not want to leave. And when you take those two together, a watch is why it’s so hard for people to let go. And the reason why the breath works so powerful because all you got to do is sit down, lay down and breathe. And you push that stuff out of you. It’s like, Oh, you Listen, don’t worry about just breathe, and it’s gonna come up. It’s gonna release. You might cry. You might laugh, but it’s coming out.

Brandon Handley 30:43
Yeah, man. It’s like a second neuro blast. Right. I love that. That idea, though, of kind of negative energy having its own kind of lifeforce, right? It’s kind of like, Hey, I’m going to show up no matter what you do. And you have to try like hell to get rid of me, like a grease stain stuff worse. But um, yeah, I think that one of the stories that, you know, you talked about, yeah, I think that’s really interesting. But one of the things that you talked about, too, was, you know, how does breathwork help out with anxiety? I think you’ve got a little bit of a story about that as well.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 31:17
Yeah, you know, they say that we right now we live in the world of anxiety. You know, this is the age of anxiety. And I remember five years ago, I read an article that said, By the year 2020, anxiety, depression will be the number one disabilities worldwide, not even United States. And right now we’re in 2020, what are we in 2021. And that has fully manifested that prophecy. And, you know, anxiety is the number one, this was pre COVID these when they these statistics came out. So imagine like, now we got suicide at all time rape, and how I feel why breathwork So, so powerful. Well, let’s look at anxiety because I had anxiety and I had panic attacks. And I feel like they’re connected. Because, you know, I tell people that make sure you kill the monsters while they’re small. Because what happens is stress is what you really need to look out for, because stress, when it goes unchecked, turns into anxiety. And when anxiety goes unchecked, it turns into panic attacks. And, you know, all, you know, kind of stress and anxiety in particular, what is anxiety? Why do we have it? It’s fear of the future. You know, so the body, the body tends to live in the past. Right? The minds tend to live lives in the future, you know, the soul wants to be present. So when we have anxiety, it’s because our brain is going somewhere in the future. We keep going in the future. We go, here we go. We’re overthinking. We’re overthinking. And, you know, those thoughts kind of just circulate us. They’re, they’re around us. 24 seven, and with the breath work, you know, when you go in and start like meditation. Meditation is to me, is an advanced practice. And why do I say that? I say that, because if you try to, in the age of anxiety, if you try to get somebody, which is almost everybody who’s stressed out, you know, to sit down, sit still, and don’t think about for the next 20 minutes, you’re going to be more stressed out the fact that you can’t do it. So and what are you trying to do in meditation, you’re trying to take all these 55,000 thoughts that you had during the day, and you’re trying to calm them into the from the frantic ocean into a calm you know, peaceful Lake without a ripple in it. Cool. If you can do that by praise you great job. Now breath work, you take in this crazy, you know, thoughts, and every going through your head, and you stop breathing and you’re pushing them out of your energy field, instead of waiting for them to settle. You’re literally taking an action which is great for OCD people, you know, all these like overachievers, and people who can’t focus and your ATD ADHD like those people breathwork is great. Because you give you some self something to do. And you just pre Breathe, breathe, and you push those thoughts out. And that clears away a lot of the the anxiousness that people have. And then a lot of the things that have been trapped in the body because the issues are in the tissues that does traumas we store them in the body. And when you start to clear that stuff out, which is causing a lot of the anxiety, it’s all it’s all connected. And you know, I see people, you know, completely eradicate, you know, their their anxiety or panic attacks, you know, from breathwork. And I was, you know, I was one of them. This is why this is why I’m here. Yes.

Brandon Handley 34:37
I mean, it’s all part of what you do. I know you shared on another show the straw method. What’s another one that you like, for somebody that’s anxious or maybe just trying to get a little bit of focus on the day?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 34:50
You know what the one that I like, is that sounds stupid to everyone but it’s actually my favorite is the sigh it’s the most over Like underrated, you know, a tool is because if you’re just in the insane your car, you just take a deep breath, right? And just let out this loud obnoxious sigh. And you do that, like, let’s say three times in a row, your energy state is going to change. Because you have to look at the body like, why does the because we side naturally, you know, why does the body sign naturally, when we sign naturally, it’s to relieve pain. And stress from the body it releases is the pressure valve to release pain and stress, have you experienced something really stressful the body. When it’s all done, it’s like the pressure valve. So release. Now, if you can consciously do the psi, and utilize that pressure valve release, it’s like you’re gonna change your state throughout the entire day, just by doing that one breathing exercise every single day through three sides at a time, three times throughout the day, nine sides a day, and you will notice a difference.

Brandon Handley 36:04
That’s perfect. Because it doesn’t take a long time. No, it’s not hard to remember. And and, you know, you can do it just about anywhere, right in between. I know, for myself on my day job, right? I mean, I’ve got today for mattify as on calls from 10am to 6pm. Right, back to back. All right, but there was enough time in there for me to make a bagel sandwich. And I could have also, you know, side three times if I needed to, right. So I could have, you know, just kind of brought myself back to just like, just a couple of times, I’m sure that like I might have done it on calls. And that might not that yeah, that’s not cool. So make sure you get an in between calls. So I think that that’s, you know, that’s really practical, something you can apply, like, anywhere, anytime. So thanks for sharing that. You know, again, a big part of this, too, is like, you know, we talked about, you know, pulling all the spiritual stuff and and integrating it right, I talked me a little bit about your practice on how you, you’ve been able to do that for yourself.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 37:07
I truly feel that integration is the name of the game. And being able to integrate is the game. Like ultimately, if you look at like, let’s say the most spiritual people to ever walk the earth, you know, you call them avatar masters, you know, enlightened avatar masters, you know? And what are these people do? Right? Oh, let’s start with an ego Why didn’t they ever have Native Americans love the eagle as a powerful Totem because it can fly superduper high. And what that represents is the ability to go up in the higher esoteric metaphysical realms and, and see life from a higher vantage point, higher consciousness, and then also that animal that can fly higher than most birds, it can land the ground, and walk the ground with the creepy crawlers. You know, and that is the integration that is, you know, the avatar, what do they do, you know, they, they get enlightened, you know, they ascend, you know, and they can, you know, they can ascend to heaven, they get all this information of you know, who they are, they don’t have to come back. And when they choose to come back and embody in physical form, you know, that’s truly where they’re, where their power is to take that higher knowledge and integrate it into, you know, physical form and deliver it in a way where the people can understand, because you don’t have to talk circles around people, you don’t have to act super smart, like look at all the parables and, you know, the metaphors, the simple ones, you know, that Jesus and Buddha used, and as they’re around now, because they’re so simple, you know, it’s because people can understand them, people can relate to them, but they went all the way to those, those higher planes, but they were able to integrate, integrate that knowledge back into, you know, this 3d 3d form. And that’s the value that I see around integration. So like, you know, how do I personally, you know, integrate a lot of things I think I do, kind of like, naturally that I don’t even, you know, realize, you know, my daily practices, you know, are the breath works, you know, that that’s the, you know, that’s what kind of brings me up, but it also grounds you, when you start breathing into the belly as well, it does be grounded to the earth. There’s things I do outside, I go outside and barefoot on the grass, and I put my feet in there, you know, and I just ground myself I connect to the, to the light in the in earth, a lot of people, you know, they know we have the sun, but they don’t know that there’s a light in the center of the earth. And I connect to that light and that helps ground me, you know, to Earth consciousness because I used to just focus on like, Oh, you know, I can open my crown chakra I could open my third eye chakra I need these spiritual gifts, you know, and you just focus on all the Shockers and like, I realized that’s not what the power is. It’s like when you want to manifest, you can’t manifest unless your root chakra is grounded. And this is why you see these all these spiritual people they say, you know, they’re all in the heart and they like lie in love and you know, the third eyes open but You’re broke. And the reason why they’re broke is because their root chakra, they can’t manifest they’re not connected to the earth. Well,

Brandon Handley 40:09
I mean, I think I think it’s a number of things, right? Like, it’s not being grounded, right, just like you’re saying, right now. It’s not being grounded and just just not not integrating, right? Yeah, they’ve gone up. But then you come back now,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 40:25
yeah, you gotta come back down and get back down to everyday life. And you know, what part of that is being human. And, you know, I know you meet some people, and they get a spiritual stick shoved up their ass. You know, and I never wanted to be the that person and even like, the work that I do, and I’m teaching, I’m on stage, and you know, I never want to be put on a pedestal. You know, and the reason why I do is because, well, first of all, there’s only one way to go from there. That’s down. And, you know, I feel like I make a practice of myself of I won’t say humiliation, because I don’t I don’t like that. humility, humility, humble, I’ll say I’ll say, transparent, you know, I just try to keep it real. I try to show people, my, my humanity, you know, at all times, and you know, I take this facade of like, Oh, you think I’m this, you know, I’m human. I’m just as messed up as you are, right now. And when I do that, it makes me human. But yet, I’m still I still have all the gifts and all the research and all the things that I’m doing to get me up there and let the shoppers but i don’t i never think I’m better than anybody. And I don’t think anyone’s better than me. You know, I just kind of stay in this place of neutrality. And I think that is that is the Yin Yang. That’s the place that you want to be, you know, between, you know, the five, you know, the five D and the 3d, you just stay stay neutral, stay grounded, stay present, and stay real.

Brandon Handley 41:53
Right? Yeah, no, I mean, look, have you seen the website yet? Right. But I mean, it really, it says that, right? It’s like, you know, don’t come at me with your patchouli, your sandals and your wooden beads were cool. You know, because there’s, there’s other things going on. And that’s that, that crowd, you know, I say that crowd, you know, I’m not trying to say that, that we don’t need them or that or this. But it can also happen in another way. Right? Like you and I are talking about right now just kind of like there’s a grittiness to spirituality and life, there’s a reality to it. And, you know, kind of not forgetting where you came from, right? And everybody, you know, the person behind you could be, you know, more advanced and a different state that you don’t recognize, and since you can’t recognize that you don’t think they’re advanced, but they’re like, way beyond you, right? And you like, you know, they like No, man, you gotta eat kale or whatever type of thing. So, so, you know, I get it. So one other question too, as we kind of wind this down, I know that, you know, you were showing me your, your drink that your daughter brought him? How is a? How are you sharing this? As a father, you know, as a parent, your children?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 43:05
Yeah, you know, um, so, you know, I’m a single father and my daughter’s 14 now, and I will say, because, I think because the chunk of my greatest awakening when I was kind of like obsessed was when she was really young. So she actually grew up around crystals and sage smoke interface, you know, and, believe it or not, she, you know, she has her own connection to angels. And, you know, I used to ask her for like, advice, like, kind of just, like, kind of desperate. And she would give me the best advice that I’ve ever got. And then she’s like, literally, when I started asking her, then she’d be like, okay, I can ask her something, and she closed her eyes. She’d look up, and she’d get the information and she’d come back. And she would say some things that was way beyond her years. And I was like, Whoa, this girl’s like channeling some some good stuff. So I kind of had my secret weapon here, you know, the entire time. And to shoot, you know, it’s been a blessing to be be able to raise her that

Brandon Handley 44:08
frickin mute button. So, the, what’s cool about that is, you know, like, You’re, you’re not, you’re not helping, you’re not diminishing her gifts. Right? I you know, I think, I think you probably agree that what you and I have gone through an awakening process is more or less coming back to ourselves, right? Whereas, you know, we weren’t shown who you were or allowed to be ourselves growing up, right? Like, Hey, shut up, be quiet. You know, don’t do this. Don’t do that. And oh my god, you stop dancing like that, or whatever, right? You know, or you can’t think this and you can’t say those types of things. So what you’re doing though, is you’re saying Alright, look, come out with your angel stuff. I mean, we’ve all got something right. What’s yours and we Got a connection? How’s it going to express itself? And that’s how she’s expressing her connection to the divine. Right. And, and your instead of you saying, You better not tell anybody about that. You maybe do, right. But like, at least you’ve got an open dialogue between the two of you with that, right. And I think that that’s really important. That’s awesome that you’re doing that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 45:19
Yeah, man, it’s great. You know, and a lot of the things like, should give me advice on business. And, you know, she told my one of my buddies, would I do book signings, she would come in, she’d set up a little table, and she’d say, $5 for reading, she’s got a good making, making money and like, eggs is totally cool. But you told one of my buddies, he need more confidence, you have lack of confidence. And the girl you’re with, she’s no good. And he’s looking at me like, dude, I wasn’t ready for that. I talked to him the other day. And he was like, dude, man, your daughter blew me away that day. She was so right. And you know, he, he never forgot that he used that to, to help him. You know,

Brandon Handley 45:56
nice, man. That’s cool. Very cool. So man. So the latest book is called,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:01
The latest book is called breathwork. detox, how to thrive in the age of anxiety.

Brandon Handley 46:07
And your book prior to that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:10
The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret?

Brandon Handley 46:13
Yeah, and where can I get those?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:14
Those are both on Amazon. So you can go on Amazon, you can. The first one has an audible, they both have Kindles, and they both have paperbacks. Who is your ideal client? My ideal client? Great question. my avatar, let’s say I, you know, I, I love people who are skeptical at first. And then they come in and their world gets rocked, you know, they heal. And, you know, then they they’re fully committed there they awaken, you know, and then they start to step into their power. And, you know, then they start to, you know, do what I do, whether it’s you know, you know, teacher trainings, or, you know, writing their own book and telling their own story and all the things that they always wanted to do, but never thought that knew anyone would listen or everyone anyone cared. I just like empowering people.

Brandon Handley 47:14
Perfect, man and then the website and where can they reach you?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:17
So they go my website man from the stars.com or they can go to my Instagram, which is man from the stars, and I’m pretty active on it. So you can send me a DM and, you know, hopefully, I can get to it.

Brandon Handley 47:34
Awesome. Paris. Thanks for stopping on spiritual dope today.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:37
Thank you so much great for having me. And yeah, that website is awesome that you have and I was

Unknown Speaker 47:41
looking forward to this

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What’s going on? What’s going on spiritual dope, how have you been? I have been pretty busy. pretty busy lately. So that doesn’t mean that there’s never enough time to be doing the doing the podcast. That’d be being said. I was doing some other things. And I got busy not doing the podcast, I also been doing 100 day mailer program, so far as to say that at this point that that is not 100 consecutive days. turns, it turns out that that’s going to be exactly what it sounds like 100 day email program. If you’re not a part of that, reach out to me, let me know. And I’ll connect you with that 100 days of being on a spiritual journey. But I shared something in there about Ani, the Franco big fan of Alan Franco. And she’s got a live album. And in that album, she just talks about life kind of happening to her and she says, I got kind of distracted right now. I’m always entertained by that. And that’s exactly that’s exactly what happened to me. While I was in the process of this, and and secondarily, when I’m doing these, I don’t want to move forward until I’m doing the we’re doing the are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar Rob doing the chapter seven. And I don’t like to move forward until after I’ve done at least at least one of the exercises, if not all of the exercises that are mentioned within chapter and I hadn’t done it. So that was why I didn’t do any podcasts. We got, we sold our house, we did a bunch of move in, downsized, outsized, whatever size and just made a move to a to a newer place. And right now we’re also in transit. Right? So we’re we are at an Airbnb for a month, people are always like, well, that’d be great, man, let’s I want to be a nomad. Maybe, maybe not depends, depends on how you want to chase that down. But so far, it’s been fun. We’re having a lot of fun, and we’re enjoying the journey. And I want to say thank you for always being here. appreciate the fact that you keep checking in and seeing what’s going on. And, you know, let’s finish this thing up, right? I know, I forget when this started, but we’ve been doing it for a while. So we are on chapter seven of Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar, Rao subtext is unconventional strategies for achieving personal mastery in business and life. And this chapter is called freedom and happiness. They ain’t what do you think? He starts off Sreekumar starts us off with a with a with a pretty cool story. And it’s kind of one that hits you in the gut, especially if you’re a parent. And basically, basically, it’s a story about a guy who is doing his job, right, who’s dedicated more of his life to his job, then then, let’s say his family, and he’s got himself into such a place where he can’t leave. He can’t, can’t leave the situation, right? Like he’s deemed integral to whatever the situation is, is going on. And his child is about to give a final performance at school, and he’s going to miss it, and he’s going to miss it, he realizes that he’s missed all the performances, and that he essentially where he is right now, he feels like he is shackled in his life. And if I can hear from any of those parents out there, going through this journey, who understand and realize that they, they, they’re missing out on some of their children’s life, because of the time that they’re dedicating to their, to their jobs. We go into name moves on into freedom, right? So the idea is that what is your definition of freedom? Right, what is your definition? Trying to think? You know, what, what does he put in here? One of the things that he puts in here and I’ve got it highlighted in the book is, you know, have you thought about the idea and the concept of the freedom from the constant desire for more How would it be wouldn’t be nice if you felt free from the need and or desire to want more, more than what you’ve already got in your life. And, you know, I personally think that that’s the one a big one right?

When you if you could drop the the idea that anything else that you You’re wanted, and be happy with what you’ve got and where you are? How would that make the war with the pressure in your life come from then? Where would the pressure in your life come from? If you dropped the desire for more? Then he moves on. Right? So the next part of the book chapter is stone walls. Do not a prison make. The idea is that you’re just like, kind of imagine the perfect day where where are you? What do you do? What would you like to be doing? What is your work? And are you pleasantly challenged by it? Do you get the opportunity to hang out with a friend whose company you actually enjoy, where there’s no tension, no sense of upmanship? Maybe never the day you get to watch a show that is purely instructive and enjoyable. You end the day with a sense of ease and wonder that you have the life that you do. And the question he poses is, Do you recall last time you had this kind of day in your own life? And do you feel like if you would like that it’s possible, right? It’s definitely possible to have a lifetime of days like this. The The idea is, and this is where the the chapter comes from title title, this sub chapter is, is you will need to escape from the prison you’re currently in. Right. So whatever it is that you’re doing right now, it’s kind of it’s kind of self imposed as kind of the idea and he illustrates this, in this next exercise, which is probably one of the toughest exercises in the book and the exercise is do nothing, do nothing for 30 minutes, sit, meditate, no humming, no audio, no other thing, you have a focal point and do nothing for 30 minutes. And the idea is that if you are not able to do this, if you’re not able to do this for 30 minutes, with your own time in your own life, how free Do you think you really are? moves on to happiness, right? So we just kind of talking about freedom a little bit there, moves on to happiness and and the gist of it is, is happiness is something that most of us we seek outside of ourselves, we also seek it from others, right? We seek the validation from others to to kind of let us know whether or not we’re happy or maybe even look at comparing ourselves to other May we compare ourselves as one as miserable or somebody we think is happy. And, and then we we put ourselves in a position to you know, there’s like a happiness gauge, if you will. And we put ourselves along there. He shares a short story from Anthony de Mello. And let me see if he tells us who and Melo is. psychotherapists and Jesuit priest, Anthony de Mello, pretty pretty, I think, fairly well named no name in this space, if you’re not familiar, check them out. I haven’t really checked them out beyond this, and hearing them quoted from place to place. The idea is, when you are living your life, are you doing something for that innate soul feeling of joy that often comes from giving or being is simply being happy for who and where you are versus the being recognized by somebody else or some, you know, a group. So when you’re doing something to be recognized, right? You’re doing it so that somebody says, oh, great job, and that’s where your happiness comes from. Right? So the validation from somebody else that tells you that what you’ve done is in accordance and allows you to be happy or maybe gives you an applause because you’ve been on stage missing doing anything. Or maybe even at work, right, you get your happiness because you’re your boss thinks that what you’ve done is great. And so now you’re happy. The idea though, it’s pretty powerful. That he kind of gives, he outlines here is that when you’re doing some of these things for outside of yourself that these are,

where’s it good to hear. the true nature of worldly feelings are they are not natural. They were invented by our society to make you productive and make you controllable These feelings do print do not produce the nourishment and happiness is produced when one contemplates nature enjoys the company one’s friends or work. They were meant to produce thrills, excitement, and essentially emptiness, right, because even at the end of the day, if you come home and, and you’re excited about maybe the accolades and something else that work, and there’s really nobody else gets it, but you, I don’t know that that’s here, maybe maybe that’s not where he’s going with this. But the idea is, that’s not really true happiness, and that that’s not really I don’t think long lasting. So he, he also illustrates it with this other story of CEO who’s worked for 20 years to reach the level of CEO. And then right as he kind of transitions into that ball, you know that that role, a company gets bought out, company gets bought you imagine working here and tired, 20 years to reach level CEO. And as soon as you reach that level, the company gets bought, and essentially, you get canned. Put yourself in that position. And then just just imagine, like, how hard that must hit you? And how would you feel? Would you know, the thing that you strove so hard for and even granted just for a moment? Because taken away? What does that do for your sense of happiness, right? He also says, Here, look, there’s nothing you have to get in order to be happy. So I think the best example of that is right now you could, if you really wanted to recall a moment where you were happy and feel happy right now, if you want it or take a look around you and see what you have that’s available to you that might not be available to anybody else. And you, you might be able to find happiness, right where you are, right now, in this moment. talks about the power of brainwashing, right? I think that you know, that there’s a lot in this chapter. So, so the idea of if we say that, you know, you can be happy right now. And if Happiness is your innate nature, then why are you filled with anger and sorrow. And it’s because of this mental model that we’ve been fed over and over again, of we are better if we are successful, right? You are incomplete, and your life is incomplete. And you know, we’ve got all these marketing products and solutions that help you to manufacture your needs. If you even if you look at some of these marketing materials and, and sales materials, you’ll you’ll see that this is true, you know, some somebody creates a situation shows that somebody is happy. And and By comparison, you don’t you’re not supposed to but you’re going to no matter what By comparison, you see somebody who’s happy and joyful and smiling because they’ve got a thing, or, or a product and and you think that you do you need that in your life, right? That’s a manufactured need. is a hot dog happening here. So let’s see. So it evolves around your own life and patterns, trying to look here at why I jotted this down, right. You know, your life and patterns of consumptions, you’re absolutely convinced that, you know, you need to maintain your particular quote, unquote, standard of living and maybe improve on it right. So, again, this is this is kind of like just what we’ve been fed, right? You believe and just for, he says, Hey, you believe that you were immune. And the deal is you swallow at all. And the thing is, you are not paying attention, right? So

this is this is the idea of conscious behavior conscious and being woke doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve just connected to your spirituality, consciousness. mentality means that you’re paying attention now to the shit that’s going into your brain. Right? You’re paying attention now to the thoughts that you accept and who the authorities are and what you’re what you’re willing to believe. And you’re paying attention now to the stories that you’ve told yourself historically, and the stories that you’re going to keep telling yourself but so I don’t want to make it all out to be just the marketers either and I don’t think that he does, and he has not just from advertising is not just from market, it’s not just from sales. This, this this brainwashing comes from your parents, from your friends, from teachers and coaches, anyone who is an authority or someone that you know, like and trust, right, this is sales one on one, this is marketing one on one, but these have all contributed to who you are, where you are, and your current situation. Now, the idea is your question these beliefs, values and these mental models and he says the answers that you find are very counter intuitive. Let me see if he gives an opportunity for you to. He doesn’t say, right here, and maybe he does a little bit. I’m just looking for a place where he says in the book that was an example of a counter intuitive answer. He does not say We’ll see. We’ll see how this keeps lead. Now. It’s been a minute, since I’ve read it and wrote down these notes, but I think, let’s see, where are we here in timing. 15 minutes. So I’ll pause this here and we’ll go and, and this one, check back in for should be just part two, maybe we get to a part three of chapter seven.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. I don’t know why I always introduce myself. The host is never gonna change. I’m spiritual dope podcast and I’m on with Kiko. Ellsworth Kiko,

Unknown Speaker 0:15
you know,

Brandon Handley 0:15
has a has a great story, spent some time in Hollywood, then, you know, transitioning, we were just talking about, like, you know, metamorphosizing into this kind of goop into butterfly mode. But you know, Kiko for the people that aren’t familiar with you like, what do you like to tell them? Right? Where are you from? What do you about and you know, what’s happening with you?

Kiko Ellsworth 0:39
Well, thank you for having me. And I want to say, blessings and love and peace, to all of my brothers and sisters, I love you. And I think that’s the most important thing that I want to communicate, probably throughout this entire podcast, write that in there. And I truly do mean that. So, you know, I think, you know, kind of like, just really starting off, we, you know, I think we’re all just born with a purpose, and we forget what it is, I think that’s a part of the game. And a part of the game is to remember, and just a part of my, my story was to had to do with Hollywood and forgetting and kind of getting caught up in that and learning the tools and the power of that sort of medium. And how it can be used for anything, whether it be good or negativity, or it can be used for anything. And so I’ve just basically found my way to using it for good. Which brings me here to you, brother.

Brandon Handley 1:38
There you go. There you go. I love I love the idea that we can, you know, it’s just a couple people connecting, right. And, you know, that’s, that’s all we’re really doing. And we just share kind of a, you know, shared spiritual sense of being right, whatever that means. But so, the, I like to open these up with the whole idea that whoever’s listening to this podcast today, whoever we’re contacting today, they’re gonna hear some that can only come from spear from, you know, the universe, through you to them today, like what is that message, you know, what’s coming through you to that person today.

Kiko Ellsworth 2:22
That’s beautiful, as beautiful. You know, what’s coming through is for us to, you know, as you’re listening to this,

I think we forget how beautifully made that we are. And we kind of think that we’re these humans, and that we’re these bodies, and that we’re these titles and jobs, and, you know, and we get all uptight and shit and we perform for people, and we put on these masks and say these things and, you know, but at the end of the day, I think it’s, it’s really about, I don’t want to say the the superficial way. So I’m gonna go underneath it is really about really, you, you knew your soul, your swagger, your mojo, your style, how you your opinion, your voice, your spin on things, you know, because nothing’s new under the sun, and they’re there. No, one’s really different, really, in the sense really, except in how you do what you do. And that’s just your, that’s yours, your soul, your swagger your, how you go about life, and that sort of spirit that wants to express itself through you. And so, you know, we become very unique if we, if you do you if I do mean if you know, Brandon, you do you and but if we got to get caught up in the, you know, the mainstream of life and pleasing or playing the larger game instead of going within, then we kind of missed the mark. We kind of what I like to say we sell our soul, you know, and I don’t think selling our souls necessarily like signing this contract with a devil and nothing like that. I think selling our soul happens in these little tiny micro ways every single day. These little ways that you’re not freaking true to yourself, these little ways where you just not speaking your truth, these little ways where you just don’t take the time to see what’s really there for you. You ignore your intuition. You’re ignoring what you know you’re supposed to be doing. You’re paying attention Are you giving too much attention and credence to the fears that are stopping you from doing what the EFF you are supposed to be doing in your life? You know,

Unknown Speaker 5:10
I love it.

Brandon Handley 5:11
Right? the you know, the the vision I’ve got when you’re kind of talking like that it’s, you know, you’re already a star like, you know, blazing star out there. And like, you know, each time you’re not being your story self, you’re just kind of losing Stardust, right? You’re diminishing yourself and you just kind of become a decrepit, right. You’re not you’re not being true to who you are. And, man, it’s the worst, right? I can still remember, I still remember way back in the day, some some warehouse parties. And I still remember these two girls dancing, right? And I could show you my dance, I was doing like little, little white guy up on the corner, just kind of like dancing like hiding in the shadows. Right. And I but like, I was really just kind of pulled into myself and I wasn’t, you know, just pulled into myself. And I was tight. And I was I wanted to dance. But you know, I wasn’t sure that I was doing it. Right. Maybe people would see me and then I saw these, like two girls out there. Right. And, and, you know, they’re, you know, back in the day, like those big baggy, like party people clothes, right, like his big old clothes, and just like whatever. And, you know, they’re just just playing in their arms out just like taking all this space. I was like, that’s so like, it’s a straight up, just letting the energy flow through them. And being all of who they were, they did not give a fuck, right? They didn’t care. And, you know, I was so inspired like, by by those two girls, it’s like, just letting it all just energy out. And I was like, from there on out. Right, like so, you know, like, you’re saying like little pieces that you’re not giving into right, that you’re that you’re ignoring are literally diminishing, you and who you are.

Kiko Ellsworth 6:56
Yeah, and that’s like, you know, it doesn’t just, you know, I’m glad you brought that example, because I have some of those images. Like my very first girlfriend, I remember going to the club with her back in the day when I was like 15. And I remember getting on the dance floor, and I was that guy that you were taught that you were as well. And she was that that girl that you talked about that you saw. And she was out there. And she I just remember her hair going all over the place. And she was just doing she was taking up all the space. And I was like, whoa. And you know, I was inspired and also intimidated at the same time. And, but I never forgot that, you know, and, you know, it’s it’s a, it takes, it takes practice. It’s interesting, because it’s like, you don’t need to do anything to be you because you’re already you. And at the same time, it takes practice, in a sense, shaking off and creating the space that you need in this world. So you can actually be free to be you, we have to create the space, we have to exercise our muscles, we have to exercise our expression, our voice. And if we don’t give it the attention and exercise and practice that it needs, when we call upon it, we’re gonna get out there on the dance floor and be like, I want to dance and I know I can but like, I’m kind of like, you know, kind of like, I don’t know, I haven’t been practicing and will be just out of shape. That’s right. Every every, I’ll just say like, every, every every like, you know, as we talk, like, every moment is a moment to practice being you don’t have a word. Of course, I can just talk to you like this. And I can just shoot words out of my mouth. And I can just talk and talk and talk and that’s fine. Or we can talk and we can feel the word and be present with who we’re being what we’re saying, present to the vibration of the words coming out. You know, and this just like, practicing taking up that space in our communication, and there’s so many ways to just play being you. Well, I

Brandon Handley 9:06
mean, look, I mean, I would relate it back to dance. So it’s just another dance, right? Just another. I like it, I liken it to double dutch too, right? Like always, because you know, you got the two ropes going, right? You got the two ropes going,

Unknown Speaker 9:21
Yeah, and you’ve got to get in that

Brandon Handley 9:22
rhythm. And you’ve got to do you’ve got to jump in the middle there, right. And if you mess that up, you’re getting hit by one of those rows. But when you do it and you hit it, you know, you’re just having fun, you’re just dancing in the middle there. And you’re going all around but the same thing with you and I had a conversation and a conversation that you’re present for, right? There’s a there’s, you can feel it. Right. And and that’s that’s a lot of how I liken it but I also understand too that you know, you’re into martial arts or you know, you’re a yoga teacher Kundalini, and all of these things, you know, they kind of all do this same thing. I mean, it correct me if I’m wrong, like Talk to me about how you see maybe martial arts playing a similar role as dancer or being present in that space. I’d love to hear that.

Kiko Ellsworth 10:09
Yes, yes, it’s interesting, you bring that up, because I think that you’re totally on point with that. And that’s, that’s exactly what my philosophy is. Because I don’t, I don’t see myself as an actor, or even a martial artist, or this or that, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I see myself as a creator, and I express myself in these different ways. And I allow myself to express myself through the art of acting, or through the art of martial arts, or through the art of dance, or through the art. And, you know, for me, my, you know, my job, my responsibility is to try to find as many ways as I can to authentically express my smile my soul in a way that it wants to express itself, it might not want to express itself, and I don’t want to paint right now, I’m not looking for that. Or this, you know, my head right now. It’s like, it’s the drum, it’s my, maybe it’s not the guitar just yet. I’m not ready for that, or whatever the case may be. But for right now is, you know, for me to look in the way that’s most true for me, you know, how, how, what feels right for me to express myself right now? And am I allowing that to flow? Or am I like, getting caught in Am I am I blocking that energy from, you know, letting it express itself, because as far as I’m concerned, man, it’s like spirit just wants to express itself as much as it can through you. As much as it can through me in through all of our brothers and sisters. And if you just do your thing, Brandon, if I just do my thing if I just because it’s there’s so much work to do over here. For me, I can’t I can’t worry about your work, because I got so much work over here to do you know, and if it’s like, if we’re both doing our work, then it’s something beautiful can happen in between the interaction between, you know, souls like you and me, man. So I appreciate it.

Brandon Handley 12:10
And I love it. As to Pete waitley, definitely one piece in here, right? How did you come to find yourself as a creator? Right? How did you when, when do you feel like you accepted that moniker for yourself? And then what, uh, you know, how would you state yourself as a creator, like, as a spirit flowing through you? You know, I’d love to hear kind of what your take is on that.

Kiko Ellsworth 12:35
I think that over the years, I’ve been calling myself so many things, and they’ve all been inaccurate.

Brandon Handley 12:43
Okay, so I bring that up, though, because I mean, we’re creators of our own lives, right? And, and the sooner that we accept that, the sooner we can get to creating our own lives, right. And like, you were saying, you know, letting I love to like you, when you were talking about blocking spirit or not letting spirit kind of flow directly through you, you put your hand to your head, right? And that’s, that’s what happens, right? When, when we’re, when we’re kind of and have this conversation last night with a coach. When we’re paying attention to ego, we’re using our head, right, and there’s, there’s kind of like, this is blockage, right? But then like when we’re just fully accept, and you brought your hand down a little bit, like, you know, kind of, we’re full of expressing spirit, like, it’s kind of flowing down through you out through your heart, and like, you know, you open up your arms a little bit too much. It’s like, it’s just coming through, like, a tsunami.

Kiko Ellsworth 13:36
Yeah, I think that’s interesting. You picked up on that? Yeah. Because it’s, it was totally unconscious. But I think that that’s exactly accurate. When you if you were to, like, unpack what’s going on that when we when we stopped flowing, it’s, it’s, it’s this, that stopping the flow is our head. And it’s also we’re stopping the flow of this energy of seeing of the being, and we’re this totally stopping and then but when we allow it, to have its way with us, man, man, just just that, that fun happens, you know, and so I think with with regards to like, accepting myself as a creator, you know, um, you know, I think the the frustration of like, what do I call myself? What do I call myself? am, I’m an actor, I’m a, I’m a director, I’m a teacher, I’m this, I’m this, I’m this and I’m like, I’m like, Damn, I was like, What? I don’t know. And just changed like, hundreds of times. And, you know, I think just to keep it simple and truthful is like, at the end of the day, like, you know what, I’m a creator. Like, let me just get back, boom, I’m a creator. And so, at the end of the day, that’s what I resonate. That’s the truth. We’re all creators. We all create our lives. We’re all creating every single moment I’m creating right now. I’m creating something into the universe right now. with with with how Everything I’m doing thinking, speaking, vibrating, moving, creating something with you, my brother, listeners, my brothers and sisters with myself, you know, so, and then, you know, at certain points in my life, I’ve just learned that okay, and this era of my life, like right now in this era of Kiko sallallaahu Ellsworth slife right now, you know, because sometimes we need a little more definition than just creator because that’s so broad. It’s like, okay, but yeah, what do you do is like, okay, yeah, let me just kind of do this human thing now, you know, but at this point in my life right now, I’m identifying as, you know, an actor on camera artists, you know, that sort of identity, inspirational speaker, and high performance love and lifestyle coach. So those are my Those are my, my things that are most prevalent in my life is being able to express myself on camera, inspiring, and people, you know, speaking people speaking, on the stage with people, whether it be virtually like this on stage in front of 10,000 people, it doesn’t matter. And then also actually doing the work like helping people to do the day to day work, whether I’m teaching a Kundalini yoga class, or breath work, or teaching a man how he can activate all of his cylinders as a man. So that’s, that’s where I’m rolling that right now, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
That’s great. I want to I want to get back to that. So what I want to do is kind of break into the one piece, right, you know, for a while there, there you are, your your, your Hollywood, your Mr. Hollywood Kiko? Right and you kind of like the Playboy, your party, and you’ve got the ladies, you’ve got the, you know, the vehicles and you’re having a good time, right? Where is where is kind of the, the reckoning moment, right? where like, this is gonna, this this, this isn’t working, right, this, uh, this isn’t satisfying, this isn’t fulfilling. I mean, I’d be curious to kind of what did you even recognize it as a Was it a slow burn out? Or what?

Kiko Ellsworth 17:09
Yeah, there was a few of those moments, actually, you know, 211 was, you know, and living the fast life with a woman and then you know, doing that, and I’m in the moment, and then like, this, this is, I’m in the moment, but this is not it. This is not the moment I’m not feeling it. I’m not even connecting to this, to this, this moment. This is supposed to be this is supposed to be it. This is supposed to be the fun of, of, you know, you know, being with women and, you know, running this and you know, and it just, I just remember, like, kind of like being pulled outside of my body outside of this experience that’s supposed to be, you know, it, you know, the intimacy of being with a woman or women and all that stuff. And I’m like this, I’m like, I’m doing this act. And I’m like, just saying it, man. And it was like, my spear is like, yeah, you keep doing that. But like, I’m gonna be over here. And you do finish that or whatever. But I’m gonna be over here. And it’s just like, Whoa, I was like, Okay, this doesn’t mean much.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Yeah. So kind of like a hollow hollow moments. Right. And so hollow man, recognizing that, you know, recognizing them was it’s your product of I want to say the simulation right, you know, a product of the of the simulation right, the product of I hate to say commercialism, because I’m not going to try and like hate on commercialism. Right? Because even as even as you did acting and entertainment, and that might not have been like the most fulfilling, you know, if you if you were to take that kind of role right now, you you might you might turn it down. But at the same time, there’s value in entertainment, right? Everybody needs everybody needs that piece, right? everybody’s like, the world’s like, you know, you can get yourself down every once a while you just need something to distract. You need something to be entertained, right. So what you were finding hollow moments, right? So when, you know, when do you feel like was the Kundalini rising moment, right?

Kiko Ellsworth 19:15
Well, I was a slow rise for many, many years. And I had to add a big break down moment. But I remember another big choice of mine was when I was I remember that show heroes years ago. I don’t know if you remember that. So I had a role on there. And I remember, they want me to continue to be on the show. But it overlapped with my spiritual development in a way that, you know, I was trying to learn how to be in a relationship with this woman that was helping me to advance spiritually, right. And I ended up marrying her and we ended up having a completion ceremony as well. And it was like Okay, you got to choose us. Shoes, the money in the show, and some this or you choose this over here, but you can’t have both because they’re both at the same time, it’s like, you’re gonna choose this, you know, going on a trip with her and, and, and developing and investing in your relationship or you’re going to cancel the trip, postpone it, put that off, and then actually do this. And for me, you know, I just felt like I needed to choose me in that moment, and, and be willing to sacrifice the money, the fame being on a on a hit show. And that those sorts of things. And you know, and I did, and I ended up losing, you know, that role, they ended up like killing me off and stuff like that, you know, because there’s someone else that’s willing to take it and do those things. And

Brandon Handley 20:47
that was another moment. That’s super powerful. Right? That’s, uh, you know, God, I don’t know that Jesus lies in the Bible lines, but I know that, you know, a big part of it is like, you know, get rid of everything else and follow me, right. And by saying that he’s you know, basically you saying, doing what Jesus did, you know, get rid of everything else. That’s kind of distracting and follow yourself, right? Follow follow the truth of who you are. Or at least pay attention to that intuitive moment, like you did. And choosing yourself over anything else. That’s huge, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 21:24
I’m, like, enlightened, like, I mean, you tap in on it right there, like? And it goes back to the very first question that you asked me when we first started all this, right, choosing yourself, but most of us I know that I have very low self esteem, and I was very insecure, very low self esteem. When I now that Looking back, I realized that I didn’t think much of myself. I and I looked at myself, and I just saw this sort of, you know, a human, you know, I didn’t really see a divine being It was beautiful, and powerful and influential. And that that has all these magic, like literal magic. You know, I didn’t see that. And so I think if we don’t see that, we’re like, Well, why would I choose me? Like, I’m just, I’m just a little old me, you know, I’m saying, Yeah, yeah. Because that’s glitz and glamour. You know, I’m

Brandon Handley 22:22
saying that is? I mean, that’s a great word for it, though. Right. That’s the glamour. Right. That’s that, you know, you’re talking magical sense. Right. That’s, that’s the glamorization of this thing as its disillusionment. And I think that, you know, I don’t know if it’s purposeful. I’m not again, I’m not, I’m not a big conspiracy guy, either. I don’t have that kind of time. But like, when exactly we weren’t taught, we’re taught to play small, right? We’re taught to play small, we’re taught to be humbled to, you know, be grateful for what you get, you know, don’t ask for more than you need type of thing. So you are taught to be big. You weren’t taught to, like, find that expression you weren’t taught to? Even if you went to church, like you, and as a child, you wouldn’t have understood to look for your divinity. Yeah. Right. Um, you know, at least again, not and mostly in like, the western civilization. And this is just another parallel before we started the show, you know, you know, I came upon the same thing myself, like, probably this started spiritual dope, right? Because at the start of spiritual dope, was the recognition of myself as a divine being. Right? 100% right. I do. So I’ve got a mini course called, like, the divine framework, right? Like it’s recognized making that choice to recognize yourself as divinity is connected to the divine.

Kiko Ellsworth 23:46
What can be better than that? Yep. Because look, look, I mean, you you hit it, we were taught to be small, right? But, like, for those of you that are listening to this, you know, you are big like this is your world. Literally, like Neo in the matrix are the one that says

Brandon Handley 24:15
100% So uh, yeah, all good stuff man. And and I literally had during my awakening period, just because you’re bringing up Neo references remember that part where he goes in there and he starts replicating, right? Dude? sober like for like months right? Like I didn’t stop drinking right but if similar to your story, right, like we can get more into that and but replication moment, like we’re like that same noise like in my body, like I was like, This is some fucking shit. Right? Like and again. So was the day is long and that was happening. I still remember calling my wife and let her know that like all this shit was going on. She’s like, are you okay? Are you sober? I was like, Yeah, and that’s the problem. Right like going through. I was like, that’s because because you know if it was drugs or something else, I could I could I could put point to it. So, you know, you’re, you’re doing this right and you choose you, what are your friends saying? What are the people around you saying,

Kiko Ellsworth 25:08
I don’t, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t really know, I don’t care. And at the same time, the ones that are showing up and saying things are, are are inspired, they’re on board, you know, my main focus is me. And being true to me, like I said, I got enough work to do, to stay aligned with me, and to keep diving deep within me. And, you know, sometimes I come out and people have a response. And that’s, and that’s cool. And at the same time, you know, I’m okay with people not agreeing or saying certain things. Because at the same time, you know, it’s got nothing to do with me. And I realized that as well, like, they’re having their own experience, you know, whether they want to, you know, be responsible for that they’re the creators of their own life and not in project what they want to project. Like, that’s, that’s on that’s totally on them. And, you know, at the same time, there is a certain amount of reflection that I can get back from people, that also may just kind of give me a read on how I’m coming off or how, because I know, like, say, for example, if I say something that’s a deep truth to me, and then I can calibrate that on a response that I get if someone responds negatively, I’m like, Okay, great. I understand that. But I’m also, you know, I’m also calibrating that this was a deep truth of mine, and I can bring up things for other people. So being able to discern the difference between, you know, if I, if I, if I’m standing in my truth, and it’s bringing up negativity or something from someone else, I have to be able to discern, okay, this is something that’s bringing up for them. And that has nothing to do with me. And at the same time, if it brings up something positive, and if it inspires somebody else, I have to realize that that that communication got through to somebody, right, and it inspired somebody. So I have to discern the difference between one action that can inspire some biomek. Okay, great, I see how it’s resonating. And at the same time, if it brings up something negative, and someone else, being able to discern that same energy is bringing up something that has nothing to do with me, but has something to do with what someone else needs to work through in their own life, right. But I got to keep doing the same thing. I got to keep doing my thing. And my job is still the same. It’s just like, Am I am I doing? Am I am I aligned here? Am I doing my Am I expressing myself better? Is it better? Am I speaking my truth? I got a lot of work to do, man. Look, I got a lot of work to do, bro.

Brandon Handley 27:42
100%. Right, right. And it doesn’t stop. Let’s talk. I mean, what what are some practical applications? Right? So you have the work, right? have, you know some of some of what you’re doing? I know that you’re you’re you’re helping men and women to find themselves to activate themselves to to be true to themselves? What are some? What are some practical teachings that you’re sharing out there that some like, I don’t know, man? What’s something, you know, give me an example of something that you’re working on today. And let’s just walk it out. Right?

Kiko Ellsworth 28:14
Yeah, yeah. Well, let me just preempt it with this. My, my work that I do for myself, at times looks different than than the work that I do at times with people, you know, and it’s, it’s all it’s all but it’s all the one in the same as well, right? So say, for example, I’m creating this one course that I’m doing, and it’s a, it’s called, everyday divine love. It’s just like, how you can express every day, divine, dope, powerful love, being able to say your brand, and I love you, brother. I love you. Every day, divine love being able to see the Divinity in you and me, and not feel like this is taking me away and making me less than a man like nah, every single day, I can say I love you to my brother, and not feel weak. Every single day I can say I love you to my sister, and not mean nothing sexual. I just love you, my sister. I love you. I want you to fulfill your divine mission because you came in for mission. And I want you to fulfill that. So, you know, that court and that particular course, it’s really about like two things. It’s about anchoring in and giving them the framework to be able to authentically start to anchor themselves for that clarity to being able to see everyone with that divine love Now that doesn’t mean that we’re all like a just vulnerable to everybody in the way we would get ourselves hurt. Because it’s all about healthy boundaries as well too. And just because I love I love somebody that’s evil, but you need to stay over there. I love you because everything’s spirit right but You’re at a vibration that I will not allow to come into my space at the same time, you see what I’m saying. So anchoring in that sort of insight filter to be able to see the divinity and everything. And then also the basics of breathwork, that the basics of being able to breathe properly diaphragmatic breathing, having a complete breath, most of us originated, our breath originates in our upper chest, or our clavicles, as completely unproductive. And that’s going to take you completely off your path, it’s going to be counterproductive to being who you need to be, and fulfill your mission. So with that, it’s like, anchoring in that divine love and anchoring in just breathing properly, nothing, nothing special, just anchoring that breath down there into that diaphragm into that lower, you know, and then that chest, and then up here, and then learning how to breathe completely, right. And in that way, we can actually have, you know, sort of be the creators of our life in a very responsible and controlled, free flowing way. So that’s something that I’m creating right now. But that’s something that I repeatedly do, because a lot of people are so stressed, and they just don’t we just, we’re just in here, we’re just not taught how to breathe

Brandon Handley 31:15
in and,

Unknown Speaker 31:18
you know,

Brandon Handley 31:20
if we don’t know how to breathe, then you know, what else don’t we know? Right? And I think that that’s the crazy part. Because, you know, there you are, you’re breathing, and you’ve been breathing your entire life. And now somebody is going to count and be like, you’re doing it wrong. Like, what? What do you mean, I’m breathing wrong, I’m here, I’m alive. I’m doing well, aren’t I? Like, you know, that’s, are you? Right? I mean, that’s a great question. Right? Like, are you? What is your What is your breathing style?

Kiko Ellsworth 31:52
You know, and it changes, obviously, for me, you know, I just make sure that like, say, say for example, my default breathing, that it always starts down here, it always starts down here. And it’s something that I are constantly being conscious of a practice of just being aware of where my breathing is at. And never make myself wrong, just because like so you know, maybe in the day, I might start my breath here. I’m just conscious of it. So it’s my practice to constantly be aware of how I’m breathing, where I’m reading the rate of how I’m breathing, the pattern, how I’m breathing, I don’t ever feel bad. If I’m even breathing like up here. I’m not perfect with it. I’m always aware of my breathing. And then if it is somewhere else that is not necessarily optimal. I bring it back down to my belly, my navel point, my diaphragm. And what I like to say is I breathe low slow and it creates that glow. Number Baby,

Brandon Handley 32:55
I love it. The the you’re talking about though, twos taken away judgment, right, just because you’re not doing it and what you feel might be the best way for yourself. You’re not beating yourself up over it.

Unknown Speaker 33:06
He know. Right?

Brandon Handley 33:09
So I asked that question, just out of curiosity, because there was are you familiar with I’m sure you probably are Hara style breathing, the Japanese and style of breathing? No, I

Kiko Ellsworth 33:19
never heard of that. Actually.

Brandon Handley 33:20
That’s pretty cool. It’s a little bit different than just I guess the in the book anyways, it says is a little bit different than Indian style of breathing, just because it stops it stops the diaphragm or the belly from dropping a little bit lower that I don’t I mean, so. But it stops it from dropping just as low. But the thought that I had when I when I learned how to do a little bit of what you’re talking about, right and and implementing this Hara breathing is the idea of

Unknown Speaker 33:51
Holy Grail.

Brandon Handley 33:52
Right? If you look at it, right, and I almost ended up like this. So the base down here would be the bottom of the chalice, right? And if you’re squeezing here and you’re breathing your, you know, your belly here, right? And then you’ve got up here on the top of the chest. This is the holy grail is breathing properly.

Kiko Ellsworth 34:08
Yeah, I’m gonna run with it. Yeah, you know, you’re right. Because just briefly, the breath, your your quality of breath, directly influences your quality of thought. The quality of thought directly influences your quality of emotions and feelings, right? How you feel out throughout your entire body. And then our feelings and emotions directly influence our words and our actions. So our breath literally influences our ability to create the quality of life through our words. Someone that’s breathing and I love the saying is like if you picture like a I think it was like a it’s an old saying, but it goes. Deep breath, long life. Shallow breath close to death.

Brandon Handley 35:00
Oh, no. That’s funny sounds like it’s from like five fingers of venom or something like that.

Kiko Ellsworth 35:05
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Brandon Handley 35:07
You picked up on that. Um, and so, so um, and another thing you mentioned in one of the other podcasts, I thought was pretty interesting. And they brought this, they brought this up in this book is called hair, how to find it, or how to share your link when I unpack. Because it’s actually really interesting. It comes from, from a German psychologist who’s been about 10 years with Zen Buddhists in the 40s and 50s. Right? So he was kind of a foreigner in this space. And one of the things they talk about, and there was something that you you brought up is like you by changing the way you breed, you change where your voice is coming from, talk a little bit about that, and how that comes about,

Kiko Ellsworth 35:51
oh, man, I I remember when I when I started doing Kundalini Yoga. And I’m doing class like 4am, early in the am 4am 4:35am. And I remember at that time, I was, I was so uptight. And I’m doing these mantras, there’s a lot of mantras and stuff like that. And I remember that time, my voice was caught in my throat. And it was like, it was like, up here. And it was like, tight. And it was it was higher. And it wasn’t coming from my diaphragm. And it was really heavy. And I remember in that class, I was like, why am I so stressed, I’m like, there’s nothing happened. It’s 430 in the AM. And I felt how I was holding everything up here, and my throat, and my shoulders. And when I learned how to breathe, my voice, my breath and everything just dropped down to my diaphragm, where it’s supposed to be, you know, where, where you can blow where you can, you know, where you have your power. And that’s, that’s where my got my voice back. The creativity just started flowing through my pacing on how I talk, you know, slow down, you know, you just you just start to get yourself back. You know, this is beautiful, man.

Brandon Handley 37:19
100% 100%. And so this is something that you’re you’re another another piece I enjoyed hearing you talk about was how acting helped you to connect to your emotions, right? And to actually feels I love that. It’s funny. About two weeks ago, I interviewed Anthony Mondale,

Unknown Speaker 37:40
are you familiar with him? Mondale?

Brandon Handley 37:42
Yeah, he’s an acting coach out there in LA. Just wasn’t sure if you guys ever cross paths?

Kiko Ellsworth 37:47
No, not my dad. One of my great friends is Anthony Montgomery. Not No, no.

Brandon Handley 37:53
Yeah. So when I was interviewing him, it was talking a little bit about this, right. Like, you know, he was saying, like, everybody needed, maybe I think classes. Absolutely. And, and, and I connected the two today when I was listening your podcast earlier. So talk a little bit about how that works. And you know, what, what, you know, how can somebody apply acting to, you know, figuring out their own emotions and their shit?

Kiko Ellsworth 38:17
Yeah, I think especially for, especially for men for both sexes, obviously. But especially for a man like fought for man, like, what we’re coming from is like, Man, you better not cry, you better suck it up. You know, you being a little worse, you being that, you know, you better man up you better, you better you better man up, you know what I’m saying? We’re coming from that sort of up tight, macho, you know, illusion type of crap. So, you know, a lot of men, you know, it’s good for men, because it’s almost like an excuse to cry. It’s like, we have an excuse. It’s like, Oh, no, I wasn’t really going to cry. It’s like, I’m an actor. So I get to cry. It’s kind of like a bridge. And you’re just

Brandon Handley 39:00
practicing for a role, right?

Unknown Speaker 39:02
Oh, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 39:04
You know, I was a real, you know, but but it gives us an excuse to get in touch with ourselves. Because once we make contact with ourselves, we go beyond that, that sort of fear. And we realize that, that it’s actually okay. And that is actually a natural part of us. It’s actually those if you imagine that we’re a 12 cylinder, high performance vehicle, and that we’re only using our masculine side, right that that strong, aggressive sun energy, we’re only using six of our cylinders. But when we start to tap into that, that Yin, that recessive side, that feminine side of who we actually are that part that can slow us down and be more sensitive and creative, right? Then we actually get in touch with those other cylinders. Because, you know, being in touch with our emotions allows us to navigate life. I can’t always just be aggressive with you or A child or a woman, I can’t always be completely masculine. I have to know when to receive, when to stop, when to listen. And then when to apply myself to penetrate. It’s a dance just like martial arts, I can’t always strike I got to know when to block. You know, the best martial artists are boxers, the ones that know how to like, you know, like, Oh my God, look how he’s like slipping that punch. Look how he’s blocked and look at how he’s moving. That’s a feminine move right there. That’s, that’s it, that’s an emotional move. That’s being sensitive, that’s being aware. And being aware and sensitive of what’s going on with you from an emotional state is, is essential. If a person but particularly a man because we struggle with it the most. If a man wants to evolve, particularly he has to be aware, really aware of his emotions, if he wants to evolve as a man, if not, he’s gonna he’s gonna be like a dinosaur. And he’s gonna, you’re gonna die, he’s gonna, he’s not gonna be able to keep up with evolution does so so I mean, look, I

Brandon Handley 41:05
mean, there’s, what you’re saying is there’s there’s a lot of power in feeling that emotion and recognizing it, what’s what’s, uh, what’s like the first tool that you give to a man who’s just trying to figure out his emotions.

Kiko Ellsworth 41:18
Uh, it all It all depends where he’s at, you know, for me, it’s,

Brandon Handley 41:23
I’m in off the streets, and I, I’m tough as hell, and I don’t have any emotions. So what’s, uh,

Kiko Ellsworth 41:30
yeah, yeah. Well, I think the first thing is having a real conversation to acknowledge that everybody has emotions. And that, if you really are man, let’s say for example, I might be dealing with this stuff, too, right? It’s like, okay, so you’re man, you’re tougher. Right? So So when did you get hurt? So I know that cuz everybody gets hurt. You weren’t born? It’s where were you born this way. So where were you like before? You think that you didn’t have motions? When did you stop having emotions? Look, your heart. Let’s be real. Let’s be tough about this. Who broke your heart, man, I don’t remember who broke my heart. And I’ll share, I’ll share myself and I might even tear up I because I need to create a space right for him. So he feels safe, I need to lead by example. Right? So I’ll create a space where he can start to see maybe himself in me. And then he can start to share himself. So he needs to learn how to explore the inner workings of his if several, he never felt safe to explore the inner workings of himself to reveal himself to himself, literally. That’s how he’s going to find him his strength. So, you know, some it’s, it’s, it’s, uh, you know, I don’t ever come out at the same way. And at the end of the day, I don’t go out just looking for men. They gotta want it themselves.

Brandon Handley 42:40
We look. Yeah, that’s I mean, that’s huge. Right. Gotta want it.

Kiko Ellsworth 42:48
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 42:48
I still, you know, I think that I’m not sure if you were like me. And, you know, when you first kind of had your moments of awakening moments, or you’re, you’re like, Hey, y’all are spiritual now. Right? Yeah. Like, like a, you know, it’s like I was. No, I’m

Kiko Ellsworth 43:05
not I’m not doing the drinkin and stuff.

Unknown Speaker 43:08
Already. Yeah, I’m

Brandon Handley 43:10
like, it’s old school, right? Like, quite literally, like, I’m like, Hey, y’all, let’s go streak in, right. And everybody’s like, nobody’s coming with me. But that’s okay. But you know, there’s also that point where you realize, like, you were talking earlier, it’s, it’s your own experience, and everybody else is having their own experience. And you got to want it, right, you got to be looking for it in order to, to immediately if you’re not looking for it, you won’t find it right.

Kiko Ellsworth 43:35
At some point, you’re being selfish in that sense. You know, I’m gonna say it like that. You got to just start thinking about you. Because here’s the thing. Like, I might say this to a guy too. I might say this, like, Look, you’re gonna die, dude, you’re gonna die. One day, you’re gonna die. And you can either look back on your life because I believe we’re gonna be able to look back on our life. And no, we’re just gonna, you’re gonna know. And so like, you can live a life that you’re proud of. Right? And you can really have shown up in the best way that you can, or you can continue to, like, do what you’ve been doing. Right? Like we want to, we want to die proud. We want to challenge ourselves. We want to evolve ourselves as men, and be that and do the things that we need to say confront the fears, we need to say heal the relationships that we need to heal. You know, one of the most proud things I’m most proud of, is I you know, me and my dad I really was like over 30 years I healed my relationship with my dad. I created 100% peace with my dad. That was the relationship I did other ones too. You know, I’m saying but that was the one that was the one that was the monster that was the one I was most afraid of. That was the one that was the breakthrough. Right? What

Brandon Handley 44:39
was what was what made it the monster like I mean, what was what was it that you know, what was the wall like?

Kiko Ellsworth 44:46
Because I was afraid of my dad. I was afraid of my dad. You know, growing up. That was where a lot of the abuse happened to alcohol the the manipulation the that sort of thing you don’t I’m saying I was afraid of my dad. He was the big bad monster. You know what I’m saying? I’m walking on eggshells being afraid It all started with, like, you know, my dad, you know, and now you know, but my dad, at the time when he had me when he was so young, right, I don’t blame my dad, you know, like, but for me for being a young boy and and then having your dad, your hero, that figure and then being afraid of that, and then you have and then having to overcome that your entire life. You know, I’m saying that’s that’s like the big bad monster. So for me to, you know, when I was engaging in the world The reason why I didn’t have my voice and the reason why I was afraid is because I was initially afraid of my dad.

Unknown Speaker 45:32
Yeah, well, I

Kiko Ellsworth 45:32
mean, that’s why I was afraid to the entire world. Yeah, cuz.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah. So I mean, I didn’t mention it. But my first my first foray into doing the podcast was fatherhood stuff, right? covering the fatherhood space, right? Just understanding how important that is to have somebody that does the first stop. Right, your first office at home? Yep. Right. And so having to deal with a father like that, that tells you a lot, right, and what you had to overcome. So I mean, that’s powerful that you did it, like, what do you do? You know, what do you attribute the largest of it, you know, kind of overcoming it just all the work that you did on yourself and fully accepting him for who he was? And, you know, what, what was the final breakthrough for you?

Kiko Ellsworth 46:13
I think, you know, it’s interesting. My own dedication to myself, being selfish, wanting to be just the best version of myself, helped me to be the person I need to be to really make that job happen. That’s one thing, right. And then along the path, I realized that I was in a Iosco ceremony, you know, one of these Iosco ceremonies, I’ve done like a lot of those, right. And in one of these ceremonies, I wrote down two words, I wrote down, Hey, Dad, that’s all I wrote down. Because at that point, when I was in that, in the middle of that, I realized that if I could just say to my dad, Hey, Dad, with an open heart, peaceful, love, I realized that’s what I wanted. And I didn’t realize it. And many of us men don’t realize we like oh, or woman or whatever, like, I’m cool. I’m cool. Just being over here. At the end of the day, I just like I challenge you, that we all really do want it, we might not think that it’s possible, there might be a lot of pain, there might be we might have given up hope, we might not have the tools, we might not have developed ourselves enough. That might be looking like a big 30 foot 100 foot wall 20 feet thick, it might look impossible. That said, the child inside of us still wants that peace, wants that relationship still wants something healthy. And I think that we have an opportunity, we might not have been able to do it as a child. But we have an opportunity if we actually get the tools and the resources to be able to actually create that some of us got a really it took me 30 years, you got to fight for that. And then gonna be easy, right? You might not, you might never get the response that you need. But it’s not about that always, it’s really about like healing this up in here. And let me tell you, when I finally broke through to my dad, Yo, I found it I put it like this. I had there was like three, not physical fights. But there was three fights with my dad like emotional fights. The first one was like an explosion of volcanoes all over the place. crying tears, I remember was like, in the beginning, it was like in the middle of an alley dives, I got out the middle of his truck. And I was yelling at him. And it was just, it was all over the place. A second one. Same thing, but not as intense, right. Third time was same thing. definitely like it was like about 25% and intense. But I was much more in control with my tools and how to show up. And it was like, it was like I had to manage my ego and my spirit manages, right, keep him so he wasn’t able to like run away and get out of the situation. And you know, hit it over here with my ego, maybe confront him with something and then speak my heart and then do this but and then also not be emotionally attached to what was going on with him. But be my own. It was there, then and then it was like and then it was like I remember the moment then he sat down. I’m not gonna tell you some Look, look. It’s like Scarface waving a little white flag. never see that happen ever. So you’re going to shoot me like I’m going out with it’s like right? See, my dad at that time. Put it to sit down was like seeing having Scarface surrender. And I remember in that moment, everything changed. because something happened that I didn’t even know that I was looking for and my dad Man, he spoke to me in a tone that that I hadn’t heard like, in 40 years. Since I was a boy since I was like five. And a part that that little boy inside of me was like, I remember him. Yeah. I remember that voice. Yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t. I wasn’t available for it in all the stuff that had happened throughout life, and all this stuff. But that didn’t change the fact that when I heard that voice, that’s what I wanted to hear.

Brandon Handley 50:35
Yeah. Yeah. I love that man. Yeah, you were able to just kind of get back to to the space, right? Where is just the two of you. You know, there’s that Father, Son and father child bond. I mean, look, you’ve got your daughter, right. I don’t know if you’ve got any other children. But there’s that bond and do when when you’re given all of your heart guests. And that’s kind of a tone that you heard from your father, right? Like, get the unconditional love of a father and a child. And that’s what had been missing for you for so long.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:05
Yeah, yeah. And as soon as I broke through with my dad, I was able to connect with my daughter at a deeper level, because I had a block with my daughter.

Unknown Speaker 51:14
Yeah,

Kiko Ellsworth 51:15
up until that point, when I broke through with my dad, I broke through with my daughter. And she also established a connection with him because she was like, disconnected from him, too. And I was wondering what was happening. And I was like, I want to be more connected. But it’s not. That happened. It just started flowing.

Brandon Handley 51:32
There it is. There it is, man, I love it. So you know, you’ve got this, you’ve got training, you’ve got courses, where, you know, you’re working with other people, I believe, you know, that you’re also getting back into some acting right? You’re getting back to work?

Unknown Speaker 51:48
Well, in front of the camera, we’ll get in front of the camera. Okay. All right. All right.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:54
Yes. Is back for sure. Most definitely, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 51:58
so forth, we expect to see you this year.

Kiko Ellsworth 52:03
You know, this is what matters most right here having these conversations. And, you know, this, it starts with, like, it has been starting with, like these sorts of podcasts and these sorts of interviews. You know, I walked away from entertainment, because I didn’t, I didn’t have anything of value, in my opinion, to talk about, that truly matter, anything that I felt where I had a real foundation to stand upon. But being able to talk about things like my relationship with my father, now I got something to talk about. For me. That’s the stuff that matters in life. That’s the stuff that matters when we are on our deathbed when we’re transitioning and going back to our home, right? That’s the type of stuff that we can be proud of, you know, so, you know, starts with like this, I’m doing some a lot of public speaking. This this year as well, too. It might not be this particular year, like in TV or film. But that that will likely happen in the next like two years or so. What I’m what I’m doing is I’m getting back in front of the camera in ways that are most meaningful. And my job is just to listen to spirit, and to do and to go where spirit guides me. And like right now it has me speaking with you. And I’m so blessed to be here with you, brother. I’m so appreciative of you and holding the space spiritual dope podcast. Thank you to you and your listeners, man. And I’m just you know, I’m just grateful man. Yeah, thank you.

Brandon Handley 53:30
I’m so appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you right to get to connect. And to be able to use a platform like this to do that. Right. So where can I send people then to connect with you? Where should we Where should we go? Get us some more Kiko?

Kiko Ellsworth 53:43
Your Yeah, um, you can find me on Instagram. It’s just Kiko Ellsworth KKOELL sw rth. On Instagram and everything is like you can find everything that I do. They’re awesome.

Brandon Handley 53:56
Well Kiko thank you so much again, man. You know, I’m sure most of people know you know, novice days is is is what it means to say, you know, I salute the Divinity within you. So I salute the Divinity with

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What do you do when you are diagnosed with cancer?

Do you curl up and ask why God why?

Or do you look for ways to serve?

I have known Allan Dubon for quite some time now, a few years at least…

A year ago at this time, we touched base for a brief conversation, and he asked me what he could do for the podcast I had been working on… and while we chatted, he told me that he had Leukemia.

My mind imploded a bit, and it was a continuation of his regular self… someone who is out there to serve you no matter what your field or background is.

Take a listen to hear where Allan learned how to give, even if, especially if you have nothing, and the impact it can have on your life.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here on with my good friend Alan do bond Allen has had quite a bit of impact on on the result actually, Alan, I reached out to you. When I thought of spiritual dope, I was like spiritual dope. And Alan and I’d worked together on the prosperity practice when I did that. I was like, I want to do this thing you’re like, Well, are you sure you really want to do the same? Or is that just another shiny object? I’m like, No, bro.

Unknown Speaker 0:34
I’m in. I’m

Brandon Handley 0:35
all in. And Alan was part of giving me the green light. And I think what’s really fun out is just as earlier this week, I’d interview somebody else that has been a big part of of helping to create the space that I’m in today. Right? So I’m really glad that what I’m able to do is share some of the people that have helped me to get to where I am today, with everybody else, right? Like, you know, it’s not like, it’s not like I did this by myself. Right. And I think that’s really important to know, like, I didn’t do this by myself.

Allan Dubon 1:07
Like, I love how, how this has worked out way better than prosperity practice. You know?

Brandon Handley 1:13
Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s so interesting. But before before we get into all that, right? Before we get into any of that, actually, and this is about you. This is about you today. Let’s give the audience a little bit of you know, who is our bond? Let’s get the let’s get the background. Who are you? What are you doing here? What’s

Allan Dubon 1:28
up? You know, I would have answered this question differently about a year ago, considering and I know, we’ll get into all that. So I won’t deep dive into that yet. But I’m really what what I’ve learned that I am, is I’m a guide for people to change their lives for the better. And I tend to go down the business route for that, you know, I came from, from immigrant parents. And, you know, my dad took off when I was nine, and, you know, poverty, you know, you can call a lot of it a sob story kind of stuff, you know, the other sad points that that are there and, and I just kind of use that to drive me to work harder, and promise to never be back in that by my own choice. You know, so yeah, so do you like business consulting and, and connecting with amazing people like you, and just try to serve the world with my talents as best I can.

Brandon Handley 2:30
Hello, brother, and you really do you do a great job of it? And you know, by connecting with others? I’ve never once seen you be like this over marketing guy. Maybe you were at one point. I don’t know. I know. I was like a man. I was like, hey, look at all my shit. I was like, hey, and like, you know, here’s 20 questions, engage, engage, engage, engage, engage. And then like, you know, fuck it. Anyways. You know, I think but I think that there’s a place for that. Everybody has to learn some way. But I appreciate what you do, how you go about it. And I think you’re the genuine, genuine deal. So that being said, what I like to start us off with is the idea that there’s somebody out there who is listening in and they’re listening for, like, you know, source talks through you and I right, yeah, listening to what source has to say to them? Through you today. What is that message?

Allan Dubon 3:27
Oh, that’s big man. For me, it’s don’t wait. Don’t wait to do the things that you’ve been saying you’re going to do. And it really comes from, like this past year that that have gone through March of last year, which we’re in the end of January here. So just shy of a year, I found that I had leukemia. And, man, you want to talk about a gut check, you know, and I come from the world of medical lab science, I actually worked in the laboratory for the cancer clinic hospital I went to a couple of years ago. So you know, just kind of knowing that, you know, we all know we’re gonna die at some point, but we all kind of think it’s further along. It’s another time and you know, unless you’re sick, right? But you’re not sick. I was doing great. I was losing weight. I was getting healthy, working out every day. And all of a sudden, everything just changed in my world stop. And so I realized I may not have the time that I thought I had to accomplish the things that I wanted to accomplish. And so for me, it’s don’t wait, get get to it.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, I love that. I think another message that you are a big proponent of as well as is, you know, stop playing small All right. So let’s talk a little bit about again, you know, let the don’t wait, right? What are some of the things that you felt like you were waiting on that you felt like you had time to accomplish? And then like, you know, going through the sickness, you know, what were some of those, you know, things got hammered home, right? Like, oh, shit, if I get, look, I, you may not have been this guy, man. Dear God, if I get out of this, I want to do this. There’s no need to peanut butter sandwiches, right? So, you know, what were some what were some of the promises, like maybe you made to yourself while you laid there and gone through this? And then, you know, where do you see those going?

Allan Dubon 5:44
Yeah, part of it was realizing a little bit more of what’s important. So I’ve gotten kind of caught up in my identity as a provider. And I think that happens to men a lot, you know, at least from my experience. And so I was really pushing that provider thing, you know, my wife would, she was very good at saying, Hey, we need you. And that’s okay, well, let me calm down the business a little bit, you know, rearrange some stuff at work, and, you know, take me a couple weeks to wind that down to, to be able to give them more time. And sometimes that was the frustration, right? I’m doing this for you guys, for my wife and for my kids. And, you know, I think sometimes when you you come from poverty, and you get a chance to not be there, you drive that part home, but you forget, I may still be here, but I can be an absentee Dad, you know, and I don’t think I got that far. But, but I definitely could have fallen into that trap, you know. So that’s kind of one of the big things that that came from that and then, you know, not waiting to travel and stuff. Like, my wife and I talked about traveling for a long time. And, and it was, well, we’ll do this, we’ll do that. You know, and, and now it’s okay, as soon as things get a little bit, right with my health a little bit, you know, thank goodness, I’m cancer free. Now. Now, it’s just getting getting more strength back in my body, and getting what I like to lovingly call my puppy shots, and get my vaccines because it wipes out your whole immune system. And so, once I get vaccinated, a little bit of strength, and we kind of recover a little bit from the the financial hit, that comes with something like this. It’s traveling, you know, so that’s gonna be a big thing for us. And then I think the third biggest lesson was, get out of debt. Like, you know, we didn’t have crazy amounts of debt. But I’ll tell you what, when you’re, when you’re looking at it, and you say, if I die, I wasn’t afraid of death, I was free to leave my family crippled with debt and other stuff that I took care of. And we could go through, you know, as when things are normal. Now I’m very focused on we’re going to get out of debt, so that if anything ever happens, we don’t have to worry about that. No,

Brandon Handley 8:24
no, that’s powerful. Right? It’s powerful. I love the idea, right? You know, you always you always putting something off, because of, you know, when we have enough or when is the right time, right. And then there’s also the idea of, you know, just like you said, you know, what else is important as you know, to have that family time, right, you that’s something that you can never get back. Right? You can never you can never get that back. And I know that I’m guilty of, you know, kind of the same thing you’re talking about sometimes it’s ways too far, one way, right? The pendulum is always swinging, right? It’s like, is there too much time with them? Is this forced time and they can tell like they can tell like you’re just making time just to make time? Right? Like, they’re like, No, just go away. We don’t even want to hang out with you. Right? And then there’s a time when you know, you’re everybody’s there and it’s a it’s a good time, right? Like, I know that we spent last night watching Ant Man like all together just like impromptu, right. And it was just it was just great. Like there was no it was no no force to it. And everyone’s just kind of chillin and I’m remember, just now on the fucking couch watching anime hanging out, right because that was great. Let’s talk about like, the spiritual side of it right? Because I know that again. We were talking a little bit before here. I love that you brought this up like how you were, you were forced to kind of determine whether or not like what you believe spiritually was showing up in your world outside and it caused you to kind of take a deep look at that. Something I’m definitely curious about, especially going through what you went through, right? having known you, you know, a little bit prior to and a little bit after him, I’m definitely curious to see kind of what’s changed for you in that in that aspect.

Allan Dubon 10:12
Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things that pretty much covered your bullshit, right? Like, where? Where is it? Where is it Bs and where is it real? You know, and, and I think sometimes it becomes that trial of your faith, as far as you got to prove it. And it’s never perfect, right? Just kind of like life. And you know, you’re never the perfect Dad, you’re never the perfect husband. But you can be a really damn good one, you know?

Unknown Speaker 10:38
Sure. Real quick.

Brandon Handley 10:39
Absolutely. Real quick, though. Do you have a faith background? Do you have a faith based background?

Allan Dubon 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I was born when I was born, we were Catholic. And, you know, I think that’s a default setting on Latinos. Know, that, you know, everybody we knew was Catholic and all that kind of stuff. And then we moved to Utah. And we became LDS, you know, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And, and that’s been my, my background. You know, and it’s been really interesting. Because I don’t fit necessarily that mold as as ultra conservative ultra, this, you know, ultra that. But it’s, it’s brought a lot of great value to me, and a lot of a lot of where my understanding comes from, you know, and so, you know, when when I was told what happened, you know, hey, you’ve got your white blood cell count 68,000. Well, like I said, I’m a lab scientist who is trained in cancer stuff in blood cancers. I told the doctor, I’m like, Well, shit, that’s cancer. I know. She goes, yep, she goes, I can’t tell you. Because you know, you got to do all the confirmatory, especially, but you and I both know, it’s cancer. I was like, yep. Okay, cool. Here we go. You know, and at first, everything happens so fast, you don’t have time to think you’re scared, but you don’t quite know what you’re scared of. it because it’s happening so fast. But once I got into the hospital, I’m sitting there, and you know, you get a long time even, even though my wife was there. She’s in her head with her thoughts. I’m in my head with my thoughts. You know, we’ll hold hands and stuff, but sometimes, it’s like, she wasn’t there. For both ways, right? Like to her I wasn’t there. And

Brandon Handley 12:39
yeah, man, look, I mean, you guys just both like, speculating on what the hell is? What’s the future? What’s the future hold right now? Because, you know, somebody says cancer, and you’re like, well, I don’t know that I’m gonna have all the time that I need to get everybody to where they got to get to and do all these things. You know, house, you know, vice versa, right? Like in here, like how, you know, how do I get through this? Right? How do I get through this stick with my family? I still never been to Brazil, and I gotta go. Right? Right. Like, I never make Carnival shit. I always make carnival. Right. And I never went like, I mean, you know, Jesus, if you saved me now.

Allan Dubon 13:18
You know, and, you know, funny you say that. And I and, and I don’t think it’s bad. If that’s where you default to, like, Hey, I’m going to promise to do this. You know, we hear about stuff from religious folks, they religious leaders that have done that, and that’s how they change their life, you know. But, but I really didn’t want to fall into that I wanted to be as I guess, real as I could about it, you know, definitely promised to be a little bit better. You know, obviously, you know, I think that’s human default. But, but I didn’t want to negotiate with God. Because because in my opinion, it’s already kind of written out a little bit. You know, I’m not a, I’m not a no matter what I do is going to end up this way. But but very much like, I think I don’t, you know, so I’m not gonna win, right. I

Brandon Handley 14:06
mean, there’s the there’s God’s got a plan for everybody kind of thing. Right.

Allan Dubon 14:10
Yeah. And so, you know, just kind of going through that. And it was one of the biggest things to me was, I’ve always said that I wasn’t afraid of death. Maybe the mechanism of death. I don’t know. Fire. Not so happy.

Unknown Speaker 14:25
Right, right. I think we all kind of go out in our sleep, right?

Allan Dubon 14:28
Yes, yes.

Brandon Handley 14:28
I’d like it to be asleep, painless. I mean, or, you know, whatever. big truck one

Allan Dubon 14:33
or the other. For sure. You know, so that’s kind of where I was like, Okay, I’m here I am. I am a little nervous. But I had to, I had to think about it, right. And so it’s like, well, I can’t control that. If I die. That’s not up to me. We can do everything we can on this side. But at the end, it’s not up to me. And so it’ll be The adventure and so if I die, and what I believe is true, then there’s happiness on the other side. And it’s a little sad because I’m leaving my family, but I’ll know that they’ll join me later, you know? Sure. If it’s not true and not we don’t exist after then I don’t know better. So that’s fine, too, you know? So, you know, there’s there’s that element, and then, but mostly it was, you know, we talked a little bit about this before was, is this a curse on me? Or is this a blessing on me? Is it all bad? Like, where’s our attitude? You know? And, and I’ll be honest, I went through a little bit of the Why me? God, I’m a good person, I help people. Sure, you know, and, and then I started thinking of like, well, Michelle’s, my wife was like, Michelle’s mom died of colon cancer. And from everything I hear about her, she’s an amazing person better than me. Right? So why, why would I be better than her? In this negotiation, if you don’t diagnose? Good, you know what I mean? Right, right. And I’ve met other people that I know, that are amazing people who cross the line, and they went to the other side, and so sure, you know, so there was that part. But I think what really pulled me out of this pity spiral that I like to call it is I, I went back to some of my core principles, and it was what do you do? When things suck, you do what you can, and then you serve others. And I learned that from my mom, we didn’t have lots to eat, you know, growing up and, and stuff like that we get some pantry help from churches, or from the, you know, the state people that do that kind of stuff, right. But I remember she got connected with a local grocery store. And they, they were just throwing out their, their bread that had like a day left or whatever, you know, they they old or they day left or something like that. Sure. And she wouldn’t talk to the baker and said, hey, why do you guys throw this out there like, well, it’s only got a day and we can’t sell it, you know, and we got new stuff coming out. So once or short, she got that connected to where we would go up there, we didn’t have a car. So we would take these little push cart things, walk up to the store about a mile away. And the baker would give us the day old stuff so that we could give it away. Other folks who didn’t have a lot of money, right? Well, that turned out to be so good. And my mom connected with enough people that after a while, they were sending a small box car full of a bunch of groceries that they were just throwing out. Yeah. And they knew my mom wasn’t going to go sell it right now is the big thing. And so we were helping people from all over the state, you know, within reason, sugar, driving, distance and all that, but we didn’t have some time stuff for ourselves to eat. And here we were helping other folks. You know, and I remember talking to my mom about it, and she says you serve others when when things get bad. You serve others. Yeah. And she goes when one of us eats we all eat. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, you know, and so when I when I got that pity in when I was in the hospital, and I was in there during the big COVID part, right? Yeah. But my wife was able to be there right at first. So that made it easier, scary, but easier. And then the second time I went in they they said nobody can be there with you. So now truly alone with my thoughts. Yeah, that’s where it can get. Kinda.

Brandon Handley 18:41
Well, that’s what I mean. I remember, I think you reached out to me. We reached out, we chatted with each other a little bit while you were in there, right? You’re like, how can I help you? And I was just like, Yeah, I just love that. That was your attitude, right? Like, there you were, there’s really no answers for you. Right? You got no answers. And you’re going out kicking. Kicking right? Like it just it didn’t, I’m sure there were there must have been moments where you know, you were just down, right? There’s no, there’s no way. You kind of get through all that you don’t have a couple of those moments. But I love what you’re saying they’re they’re right. When you’re down and out. You know, you do do what you can for yourself that you know what you’re in control of, and then you know, try to serve others. that’s a that’s a great, great way to be.

Allan Dubon 19:34
Yeah, and it’s not easy, man. Like, and I don’t say that, like, Oh, I’m awesome, because it wasn’t easy, nothing like that. But sometimes I had to fake it and just try, you know, and and so, one of the things I was like, You know what, there’s about 13 to 15 people that visit me every day, you know, between the doctors and the CNAs and the cleaning folks and you know everything that everybody comes in As I said, they’re not always the same. It’s a learning institution. You know, it’s connected to the university and stuff. And so we get different kinds of folks coming in, and then some of the same people. And I thought, you know, let’s learn their stories, because we get so caught up in Well, they’re here to take care of me. Right? Yeah, that’s their job. Right. And they do it very amazingly, by the way, shout out to Huntsman Cancer. Nice, because their people are just miles above any. I’ve worked in healthcare, my whole life, pretty much. And these guys are just miles above everybody else. But you know, it’s still their job. Right? They’re worried about their college credits their kids, their everything, right, for sure. And so I started to talk to them about the stuff that I was good at, you know, business and Future Planning and missing this and, and really helped me take my mind off of me. Sure. Self beneficial, you know, right. But we talked about their goals, and, you know, they come back and they didn’t have tons of time. So this little 10 minutes thing, they’re hooking me up or whatever, right on. And it’s like, Cool, well, how’s your classes? You know, there’s a guy that that was in a freaking concentration camp. Or not concentration. When they’re going away from like, a refugee, thank you refugee. See, there’s my cancer fog, but I thought it was weird sometimes. But yeah, so he’s in a refugee camp for several years, right, came over to the states started, started the process, you know, he started school, and there were some other friends that came with him from that camp. And, you know, life happened to him, you know, he got married and some other stuff, and now is not married. And, you know, so to get a little rough honey, he stopped his schooling, and he’s like, ah, maybe I’m too old. Maybe I’m to this, like, Look, dude, let’s get you back in school. You know, like, it’s still your goal. So you had four years that, that didn’t go the right way. Sure, I still gonna keep living. So those years are gonna keep ticking let’s and so then he signed back up for school. That’s awesome. He came back and thanked me and I can’t I just can’t tell you how amazing that felt that he was. I mean, I hate school. So I feel like I punished him. But you know, and as they know, it’s gonna get his dreams and his career going and he wants to go be a nurse practitioner eventually. And so, you know, get some back on track to do that, you know, and talking to others about their life and their heart stories. And, you know, one of the nurses that told her she needs to read a book because she’s had some siblings died, and her mom’s died. And I think her dad was still around, but it was kind of sketchy. You know, how that went. And so, but she was pushed through all of that. And statistically, she shouldn’t be there, right? statistically, she should be in the hood, just being poor and, and working a menial job. Right, and then falling into, or falling into the same traps that her parents were into, you know, right. But But she broke through, you know, and so, just kind of things like that, that, that really opened my eyes to, hey, yeah, they’re health care workers. But but they’re people first,

Brandon Handley 23:25
right? Right. Now,

Unknown Speaker 23:27
it’s so easy, it’s

Brandon Handley 23:28
so easy to lose sight of that, right? It’s so easy to lose, you know, these people are here to save my ass. Right? And you forget that they’re, you know, you can, you can easily forget that. There are people to just like you’re saying, but, you know, I’m gonna lean back in again, one more time into, you know, kind of the serving people right to take, take it off yourself, even if even if, you know, sometimes you have to fake it, right? I just had this conversation this past week, like, even if you have to fake it a little bit. Yeah, even if it’s not even coming from the most genuine place. It’s still a lot better than just about anything else you could be doing. Right? Like even if you’re like, even if you’re certain, like in some point, at some point, it becomes there’s a tilting point right? You know, for like a while here. I mean, we talked about this from when I when I did follow him for the rest of us, right? For a while there, it was like I’m doing this for all the wrong reasons. But then at some point, it’s like, I’m like, that’s just becomes who I am. And now I’m doing it for the right reasons. So it’s just kind of like it’s like a training mechanism training tool, right. So that now when you go out there and you’re like, I’m, I’m serving to serve is there’s really not this like there’s not an mo right, there’s not like something behind an agenda behind it. Right. And when you start doing that, like you start feeling like you know, sounds like you were feeling right, like you’re connected, there’s your your your your your mind is taken off of all of your woes when you’re focused on helping somebody else. You know,

Allan Dubon 24:57
I’ve always well, not always When I learned this principle, I created a little saying it’s, you become what you act. And so, and it’s not a fake act, it’s, if I want and I learned at first with weight loss stuff. You know, if I keep eating like a 350 pound man I’m gonna stay in. That’s where I was right? So 350 was my number. And I’m like, if I want to weigh 180 or 200, I got to eat and move, like a person who’s 180 or 200. And I’m not there yet, so I have to act like that. And am I gonna mess up? You betcha. I love ice cream. You know, you can poison me with peanut butter and ice cream. Those are my two. My two big things right. But that

Brandon Handley 25:47
ice creams are poisonous. No.

Allan Dubon 25:51
But, but it’s okay. I messed up today. I had a big bowl of ice cream or whatever. Yeah, well, guys that weigh 200 eat ice cream. Yeah. But they don’t eat it every single day. And they don’t you know, when they enjoy a big indulgent thing, they might go for a run or walk longer. Wait, lift longer, right. And so it started being that it’s, it’s what you act you become. And so you know, that that’s kind of, like

Brandon Handley 26:21
buying 100% man or buying 100% you know, me, this is again, you know, the exact process that I went through with my father and for the rest of us. And also just with anybody else out there that you’re listening to like anybody you’re you know, mentorship through even like, through all the online videos, YouTube and all the other stuff. Like, you start taking that on everything that this goes back to those sayings like you know, your weight. Are you Wayne Dyer fan? Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 26:49
Yeah. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 26:50
he’s got that story. Like, you know, he asked me to say, so if I ask Alan, like, when I squeeze an orange, what am I gonna get out of it?

Allan Dubon 26:57
Oh, I don’t know him that well.

Brandon Handley 26:58
So it says like, the answers on shoes, right, but like,

Allan Dubon 27:01
Oh, well, that he had something more special.

Brandon Handley 27:06
So the deal is, so that’s all you can get out of it. Because that’s all you know, that’s all I can ever come out of it. Right? This is an orange juice. That’s, that’s what’s inside of it. So the other idea though, is like, whatever you keep putting inside of yourself, that’s all it’s gonna be able to come out. Right. So this content that you’re trying whoever it is that you’re trying to become whoever it is that you’re acting as if as I’m an acting as if you like, this is who I am now. That’s all that can come out. Right? And you you act as if you, you consume all that and and you put all that in you and that’s eventually quite literally all that can come out. It’s It’s It’s uncanny. Right? And I think that it takes a takes a little bit of time. But once you make that decision and start to step into it, like you’re, you’re you’re that 180 pound man that you’re talking about, right? Yeah.

Allan Dubon 27:53
Yeah, I had a teacher tell me because I was I was going through some pity cycles stuff. You know, my dad’s gone. We don’t have a lot of money. And, you know, yeah, like, like, stacking up all the stuff that is against me

Brandon Handley 28:06
are now pretty limitations.

Allan Dubon 28:08
Yeah. And, and he told me, you know, you choose to be happy. And my young brain, I didn’t say this to him out of respect from inside. I’m like, EFF you, dude. You got family, you got her perfect life a beautiful wife. You guys make money here as a teacher, so I thought they made money. Boy was Iraq. But, you know, so my head, his life was perfect. Sure. Well, he had a kid that was going through some stuff. And you know, it just wasn’t perfect. Like I thought it was and he’s not making the kind of money he should because he’s a freakin teacher, you know. And so, you know, it all kind of clicked several years later, but I, for some reason, I always remembered him saying that. And then so I was still in that bad cycle. And I said, Okay, I’m going to choose to be happy. So I literally woke up and said, I’m going to be happy. And I felt like such a liar. You know, which I was, I wasn’t happy. But I kept saying that every morning I kept saying and then all sudden, I just started being more positive. Sure, nice. My circumstances didn’t change. They’re still poor kid and, you know, all the others crap that that are talked about, but I chose to be happy. And so I think that’s part of that was the beginning foundation of this stuff that I’ve learned and magnified through my cancer experience, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:42
which, you know, you talked about being called on your Bs, right, like, on what you believe? What were some of the things you felt like you were called on and your spirituality and like, you know, what, what kind of maybe got strengthened and how you apply that to this.

Allan Dubon 29:55
Um, part of it was, was talking to God right and So, to me, I don’t think you have to necessarily get on your knees and, you know, Dear Heavenly Father kind of thing, like, I do that. But I also think that you can talk way more often. Like, there’s times when you go talk to your parent that it’s a little more formal. And then there’s other times you’re like, Hey, Mom, you know, what do you mean by this? You just throw it out there. And let her let her ruminate on that a while and she gets back to you. You know? So it’s a little bit more of that, right? Like, and so it was, I did that more. And then it’s like, why did I ever let that go? You know, and not that it was gone completely, but I wasn’t doing it as much as like, I got an open channel, you know, like what you say, you know, God source universe, like, I love that, you know, because you can, you can label whatever you want. And

Brandon Handley 30:52
look at what it is, whatever it is, whatever, it clears that channel for you. Right? Like, if if you’ve got to tune in to Fox to get your information, you got to like, I mean, I don’t care how you, you know what channel you call it, right? But it’s the one it’s, it’s a filtration system, right? Your mind is a filtration system, right? And you’re in like, for a lot of a lot of other people like the word God is just it’s a bad fucking filter, right? Yeah. So if I call it universe, I’m totally Oh, universe. Well, that’s different. Right? Like, let me tune into that. I feel it’s right. So. So there’s just there’s like this open lane of something that’s never been filtered. Right. So so that way that just like, like, it’s just a brilliant conduit. So that’s why that’s, that’s my reasoning and logic. I’m getting closer to being able to use God myself, like just, you know, being comfortable with it, because it’s not something I was ever comfortable with. Yeah, but I’d like to hear so tell me more about like, what are some of the conversations you have? Right? What’s some of the feedback?

Allan Dubon 31:59
It was, it was a lot of, you know? Am I fulfilling my purpose? Am I being good enough to people? You know, am I loving my wife enough? Like, you know, I’m thinking here my time, my might, my temp, my ticket might get stamped here in a second, you know, and I get on that train to the other side, you know, and so, did I do enough to show my wife I loved her, I cared about her was a good enough man to her. You know, just all these things? And same thing with my children? Did I teach them enough lessons that they’re going to be? Okay. Like, like, if I go out? Yeah, they’re gonna suffer some, and they’re gonna be sad, and they’re gonna know, but that I give them enough tools to work through their life, to learn things to be good to other folks and to become good members of society, you know, and be able to take care of their families. Did I do enough of that? You know, did I serve my fellow man enough? Or was it all lip service? I could put it on Instagram, you know,

Brandon Handley 33:14
call me out, bro.

Allan Dubon 33:19
Lot of that kind of stuff. And

Brandon Handley 33:21
so what was I mean, you know what, you know? What were some of the responses that you felt like you got?

Allan Dubon 33:30
I felt that I was told that I had done well with what I knew. And that I was going to be given a chance to be even better.

Brandon Handley 33:40
So you had a sense of hope? Yeah. That message me a response message, right?

Allan Dubon 33:47
Yeah, there’s times where I’m like, I think my I think I’m hoping I think I’m telling myself,

Brandon Handley 33:53
I got the wrong line.

Allan Dubon 33:55
That was me saying to me, like, you’re not gonna die, you know? Cuz that’s a great

Brandon Handley 34:00
question, though. Right? How do you differentiate from you know, this is a, you know, I’m sure it’s a slippery slope, but like, how do you differentiate the response that you get from yourself versus when you get from God?

Allan Dubon 34:12
To me it was, or at least what I felt right. It was a feeling. Yeah, it was. It was a feeling that I didn’t feel like I was doing it for me. Like being told that I was going to live through this sometimes felt scarier than Hey, you’re checking out in too much. Yeah, cuz you got a lot of bills you’re racking up.

Brandon Handley 34:34
You’re gonna have to show up for like, you’re like really, really? Well, you know, listen, if I just finished up this pudding and, and roll out like, I’m cool with that. Because Yeah, because there’s there must have been some of that thought too, right? Like, be like, holy shit. Like, when I come out of this, like, I might even be destitute, I’m going to be worse off like, yo, you know, the struggles are going to be real, right? Like, what’s the quality of life going to be if I if I if I do get to live This Yeah,

Allan Dubon 35:01
yeah, those are all real. That’s the not pretty part of it. Right? Not that there’s really any part of it right? Yeah. But you know what I mean, though, like, like, there’s stuff for you like, Yes, I got to ring the bell, because that’s kind of a big thing in cancer stuff is when you when you’re told you’re sorry, my daughter calls me when somebody rings it. But But, uh, that’s funny on a ring. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things. It’s like, okay, yeah, I get a ring the bell and I get to say, you know, cancer free or I finished my transplant or, you know, what, what does that mean? Like, I walked out of there looking like a freaking cancer patient. I’m a brown guy, and I was pretty white, we were pretty pale. You know, and, and then I lost like, 100 pounds. And he wants

Unknown Speaker 35:55
to do it that way.

Allan Dubon 35:56
Yeah, you know, I couldn’t pick up 50 pounds. And I know, this is from a guy who could pick up 300 pounds with relative ease, you know, like, yeah, it’s heavy, but I could do it, you know. And now I can’t even pick up 50 pounds, it was heavy, can you open my

Brandon Handley 36:13
eyes that must have felt like, you know, especially coming from, you know, Western society, being a male needing to be kind of this strong guy and facing your mortality, and then also facing like, you know, all these things that you couldn’t do, and needing help, especially when you’ve labeled yourself and identified as the provider.

Allan Dubon 36:33
Yeah. Well, and, and also the protector, right? and stuff growing up against women and that I don’t stand for, like, I can’t tolerate that. And now being in a position that if somebody came up and slapped my wife, or my kids are some, I pretty much I got to sit there and you know, like, I still go fight them, but they kicked my ass, you know?

Brandon Handley 36:56
I’ll come in for you.

Allan Dubon 36:58
You know, but but it’s, it’s that thing. Like I could not protect my family. And that, that both financially and physically right. So that, that messes my head a lot. Well,

Brandon Handley 37:09
I mean, that I mean, that’s the whole like, I mean, I hate to, again, I’m not a genius, dude, I’m not big on the Bible, but like, kind of the meek shall inherit the earth or like, kind of going through that feeling like, feeling I’m not even saying like, you know, you’re inheriting the earth, but like you going through this process of just being completely and totally. You’ve got to surrender right to everything. So I mean, yeah, tell me a little bit about, you know, applying that to your situation because surrenders big, big one, for sure.

Allan Dubon 37:36
You know, my wife and I discussed this, we didn’t use that word. I wish I would have had it. And I’m gonna talk to her tonight when she gets home from work, you know? But, uh, you know, she’s like, How can you be so calm about this, you know, cuz she’d have moments where she just she tried to be so strong, like, too strong. And then it would break. And so she cried. I’m like, I’m sorry. You’re the one going through this. And we know, we are going through this. You know, and, and so one of the things that I told her as I said, I had to give up, not give up on fighting, give up on controlling any of this. We are not in control, not you know, we talked about believing in God and that he’s in control. I said, we’re still human, we still want to be in control. And we think this, we think that we’re in control of stuff. We’re not not at, all right.

Brandon Handley 38:29
Wrong, people are flying through the sky and all these other things. We’re like, I got this, right. Thomas Moore.

Allan Dubon 38:36
Yeah. So like, you know, one of the biggest things was they had to stick a needle in my back, all the way into my spinal cord, pull out spinal, cerebral spinal fluid, awesome. And then put in methotrexate chemo and another candidate I remember the other 10 was called a screw

Brandon Handley 38:55
for the bone for how to

Allan Dubon 38:57
go Yeah, sir, to make sure that the if anything went past the, the brain barrier, then if they killed that too, right, because that’s my kind of leukemia likes to hide there. And so they check it do a count and then put that stuff back and tell you what and they don’t they numb the spot where they put it in, that’s it, you don’t get anything else. So you are wide awake and you know, fully lucid and you know, stuff like that. And you know, they punctured into my lung to get a biopsy when I got pneumonia and you know, once again, they just numb the spot. And the rest of you is very much awake, you know. And so these things are are pretty scary, because of the level of payments that are they can numb it up but there’s still pain. Yeah. And, and then the lack of control. Right?

Brandon Handley 39:55
Right. Like you got no control over that I

Allan Dubon 39:57
got I can control my breathing. Not flinching, you know? And so that’s all I focused on. Like, if I flinch, they could hit a nerve. They can collapse my lawn, you know? And a real comfortable stuff, right? You didn’t know you’d get an anatomy lesson here. But what I controlled my breathing, right? What I could, right. So this is kind of coming back to that, that pity party stuff, I control what I can and then I serve others. So Mike Okay, how the hell do you serve others when they’re stabbing something in your back? Those came through the back one of the top for the lungs and one, you know, times it wasn’t just a one time thing you know, we talked about stuff I used to sell real estate. So we talked about real estate and the guy was buying a house and something oh, you know, ask your mortgage lender this and do that and don’t buy this. And he’s like, dude, how are you? Like, so focused on a mic? Because if I focus on what you’re doing, I’m gonna freak out.

Brandon Handley 41:00
Right, right, right. Now that’s true, right?

Allan Dubon 41:04
Totally self serving.

Brandon Handley 41:06
But again, you know, again, like, you know, you’re doing it to, you know, you’re doing it in a way is like, how can I still help this person along? And when you’re doing that, again, like, it’s just, it’s almost like a burdens lifted off you. And it’s really also a lot how we start the podcast off, right? Like, there’s something that if you open yourself up to it, right? Like, if you’re asking a question is how can I serve this person? What can I do to serve this person? source will provide you with something, right? And while you’re filled with doing that thing, you’re essentially being filled with source, right? Like you’re, you know, so there’s this kind of life giving thing flowing through you, so that you can provide to this other person and it takes away your pain, man.

Allan Dubon 41:50
Yeah, it’s how I surrendered back to the original thought of this. Yeah. How I surrendered, it was forced on me, I could always decline you. They always tell you, you don’t have to do any of this. We can just give you stuff to keep you comfortable. And I gotta live. I have to be right. You know, I got kids, I got to fight for my wife. I got to fight for you know. And so as like, if you guys think I got a shot, I’m fighting he, you know, we’re doing this. Yeah. But they always say, Hey, you got a choice. You don’t have to do this. All right. Well, my surrender was, I can pray all day. But if I just pray and don’t take the action, you know, back to the Bible. Faith without works is dead, right? Yeah. So yeah, God is powerful. But he’s given us science. He’s given us all of these tools that aren’t yet. Right. But they’re the best things that we have.

Brandon Handley 42:45
But yeah. Yeah, for our level of understanding, right, yeah, we can

Allan Dubon 42:51
eat healthy, we can do good. But the blueberries not gonna take away the cancer. You know.

Unknown Speaker 42:57
I love antioxidants.

Allan Dubon 42:59
But, but I can eat the good stuff to help feed my body so that it’s can tolerate what’s going to happen to it a lot better. Right. And he got that’s kind of the approach I took was faith, body nutrition, which I’m still not perfect at. And, and science, right, let them do what they’re gonna do. I can control what goes in my mouth. And sometimes I don’t choose well, because of ice cream.

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Most tracks.

Brandon Handley 43:32
So when Yeah, let’s just talk a little bit about how like maybe your has this change kind of your, you know, going through the cancer, reconnecting. having these conversations with God. How do you feel like that’s helping you move forward for a more fulfilling life right now?

Allan Dubon 43:48
You know, it really woke me up. Like what I said at the beginning, you don’t have time. You just don’t? Yeah, so it’s a little more urgency. Not enough fear, like, Oh, crap, I’m gonna die. But in a dude, I gotta get my butt moving. I can’t half asset, you know? Sure. And that the world is good. You know, we’ve we’ve seen a lot of craziness, no matter what, you know, here in the States, no matter what political side you’re on, there’s craziness on both sides. Sure. And, and, you know, manifests in different ways. And, and so there’s a lot of that, and the news media wants to just sell us scary stuff, you know, tornadoes, politics, you know, and everything else in between. But I got a chance. This is where the blessings come in. I got a chance to not have to focus on that. I didn’t have the energy to focus on that. While I was crazy, I didn’t have to write right. And I get to see what beautiful people there are in the world, huh? I got to see people. You know, my my wife’s cousin. Just Did a little GoFundMe for us, you know, one of the people that donated reminded me that story of the widow’s mite, you know, the rich guys were tightening everything and just throwing buckets of money in. And she threw in essentially a quarter, you know, or whatever. And because that’s all she had, well, there’s a lady who she’s like, on her third round of cancer, her husband and her son have died of cancer. Wow. And like, all of this crap, and she gave 20 bucks. And she was amongst the smallest donations monetarily. But I’ll tell you what, to me, she stood out the most. Because here she is. I’m getting I’m really starting to understand at that point. I haven’t even seen the biggest bills, but I’m starting to see him and I’m like, holy poop, you know, like, how are we going to do this? Right? And here she was, has lost the stuff that’s most important in her life. She’s fighting alone. And she’s willing to give me 20 bucks in my fight. Right? You know, and she doesn’t really know me. She knows sister in law, you know? And so it was stuff like that people, how can we help you? How can we do this, you know, our next door neighbors, when I had to get in my very first time being admitted. They called us and within, they said, you need to be here within an hour. Well, I live 45 minutes away from the hospital, and they’re like, be here within an hour or you lose your room. Oh, you know, and they’re like, and you’re kind of cancer needs immediate attention. Okay. So we go to the neighbors, essentially, my wife pretty much tells them here, take my kids, were going to the hospital, they didn’t know I had cancer. Because we hadn’t told anybody. We didn’t want to stir the pot yet until we knew what we’re fighting. Right? All of a sudden, it was real and right now, right? She’s crying, and she’s telling them and we don’t know, when we’re gonna be back. You know, her and her husband were like, go, just go. Don’t worry about it. We can bring you clothes, we can go buy your underwear, what you will bring your stuff just go. Right, you know, don’t miss your spot. And so we grabbed a couple things, you know, and I was there for two weeks. We didn’t know that. Yeah. And I think I’ll be honest, I don’t really remember if my wife went home, she might after a few days to get some clothes, in and out. And then back. So my kids were with the neighbors then with my, my, my wife’s brother, and his wife, you know, for a little bit and stuff like that. And so it was just people who stepped in, who have busy lives, they’re doing their stuff, you know, right. And all of a sudden, our emergency and they’re stepping in, you know, and just lots of acts of kindness. You know, we’re talking about Instagram, you know, posting stuff on Instagram, somebody gave us what, what I think is called a heart attack I’ve learned. And so they come in and just put a bunch of hearts on your door and like little nice messages. You know, we love you. Nice. Yeah. Well, I told you I got a ring, right? My ring wasn’t working. So I have no idea who it was. Right? And so they came in, did a heart attack. And then all sudden, we have this big knock. And it’s like, eight or nine o’clock? I don’t remember. So like Who the heck, you know, right? So we go downstairs and just see this beautiful message. That’s great. It’s it’s cheap construction paper and

Brandon Handley 48:37
workers. You know, I mean, like the money, it says he hasn’t that doesn’t have to take a whole lot to just do some acts of kindness or make somebody’s day. Right you. And and again, I’m gonna go back to how you feel while you’re doing it. Right. You know, is is kind of the key, right? You’re gonna feel good, like, you know, you feel good. The recipient feels good. You’re not in control of how the recipient is going to receive that. But as long as you are in the spirit of giving to give, and you’re not in the spirit of giving to receive a reaction. Yes. Right. Because I mean, that’s, that’s a big thing, too. Right. So I think that that’s kind of what you’re illustrating here is right giving without, like, this expectation, giving, you know, so that, you know, you can be of service to others. And you know, kind of, you know, I think the other part was like, you know, you asked it in your conversation with God is like, Am I fulfilling my purpose? I think that’d be a word. What was the answer to that one? What did you feel on that?

Allan Dubon 49:38
I felt that I had done well, but not good enough, and I heard a little it wasn’t a reprimand. But it was a you can do better. And, and really, it’s about being more purposeful. Not just We got an extra 300 bucks around Christmas time, let’s, let’s see how we can get some gifts for that, which is great. And that’s that’s a good thing. But now, you know, somebody took care of our Christmas for us. And a couple families, you know, and, and they organized and all this kind of stuff and my kids now are like, Dad, can we do that for somebody next year once you got your job again? Because I’m not working and stuff? Right? It was awesome. Well, I

Brandon Handley 50:25
mean, I still got you still got your consultant services, and you’re still able to do that. Right. So I mean, I know that you’ve had some tremendous success there in the past, I know that you’ve helped me, you know, put put business stuff together, you’ve helped me put my websites together. So I know that that’s stuff that you’re still capable of doing.

Allan Dubon 50:43
Yeah. And it’s just, you know, I’m, I’m just getting to the point where I can consider that. Right. You know, cuz, energy wise,

Unknown Speaker 50:52
are you still pretty depleted?

Allan Dubon 50:54
Yeah. So it’s, it’s the commitment, right? Like, could I build a website? Yeah, but can I commit to

Brandon Handley 51:01
a timeline?

Unknown Speaker 51:03
Yeah.

Allan Dubon 51:05
Stuff like that. It’s kind of teaching me that patience. And that. Would you call it? Surrender? surrendering? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. It’s okay. I’m learning patience. That’s what I mean, right now. Yeah. And I hate it. But I get the value of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Brandon Handley 51:32
I mean, there’s, there’s a whole idea of like, you don’t you don’t have to slow down but Calm down, right. Like, take it slow. Not even again, not slow, deliberate, purposeful, intentional pace, right? Not not frantic, as if there weren’t enough for everybody. Because there is right and and not, you know, I love your experience is is also to the idea of Providence, right? Like, you know, you’ve been the provider, but people will provide for you. Right? And, and it’s not that it’s something that you’re not looking for a charity, but it’s something that will happen naturally, if you kind of allow for it, right? Again, the Providence surrendering to the universe to God, whatever, just being like, Hey, I’m doing what I can, right. So you know, what does it mean? So, what does it feel like? Then? I guess if you know, if you’re not fulfilling, what do you feel like you could be doing more? Do you feel like you need to be playing bigger? You know, what, what’s that look like for you?

Allan Dubon 52:37
Excuse me a little bit of both, right? It’s I was, I had exceeded I like to I’m a data nerd. So statistically, people who had my upbringing, don’t reach where I’ve reached, sure. But to me, that’s not good enough. And it’s not to aggrandized myself, it’s, I can serve others. And so it’s, it’s that tool of, or not the tool, it’s getting the tool, which is money, and connections and stuff like that, so that I can then teach others how to grow out of their situation, wherever that might be. Right. Right. And so claim bigger to that with urgency. But not frantic, like you said, calm down. Right. But that’s my calling, right? It’s made very crystal clear to me. And, and, you know, taking care of people in that sense. And then planning and purposefully doing things like, hey, once I get my job back, we’re gonna, or I can do my business or whatever, you know, however, that looks, right. We’re going to create an account where we’re going to start actually putting money away every check every sale, every whatever, so that it’s not, oh, we happen to have an extra 200 bucks. Let’s get a couple Nerf guns and pray vows for these folks. You know, it’s it’s right? Hey, we can really plan this out. Right? and serve one to 510 families, whatever it is, right? But make it purposeful versus Oh, we’re gonna be good people and help. But it’s because we happen to have 300 bucks extra for sure. No, I get it. I get it. You know?

Brandon Handley 54:17
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Man. I love it, though. I mean, so, again, I’ve loved I’ve loved your journey I’ve loved you know, I don’t love that you had cancer. But I do love that, you know, you kind of, I love the way that you went through it. And how you you kept your shit together, for the most part, how you faced it with this attitude of service. And I’m just super glad that we had the opportunity to connect and that you made it through man, you’ve been a big part of like I told you at the beginning a big part of spiritual dope, big part of my own journey. And, you know, I’m not a data analytics guy. So you know, my forecast though, is like more Allen Right, my forecast is more out in the life and, you know, so if, you know, if you were coming out of it and you had more energy right now who would be like somebody who’s your ideal client,

Allan Dubon 55:17
somebody who’s got an idea of where they want to be, and a purpose. And it doesn’t mean you have to know exactly what the business is, or anything like that you can, or grow the business or whatever, but really, it’s about purpose. And the purpose to me needs to be more than just, I got to make money. It’s got to be what am I going to do once I make money in my life? And how am I going to serve others? Because that’s what drives me is that money is a tool

that spans the gamut of Hey, they’re they’re only making 50,000 a year or maybe they’re making 5 million a year you know, it spans all of that because it’s, it’s Hey, it’s more of a purpose driven than I want to make this much per sale. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 56:18
I love that right. When you when you inject purpose and that kind of everything that you do you really do accelerate it right. So So what you’re offering do then is to help people kind of get clarity and accelerate their their purpose and vision so that they can have a more fulfilling life is that what I’m here?

Allan Dubon 56:35
Yeah, yeah. Awesome, brother.

Brandon Handley 56:38
Hey, thank you so much. Like I said, I know you’re you’re still kind of coming out of it. But I appreciate you jumping on and sharing a bit of your story sharing you know your conversations with God even though you’re not you know, what’s the guy’s name Neale Donald Walsch or whatever. So Alan Duvall take on conversations with God today. You know, fighting cancer. And and you know, getting a second shot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for you, man. So thanks again. We’re have some people check out more on.

Allan Dubon 57:08
I’m pretty much Alan dubon everywhere. ondemand.com on Instagram, Facebook, and Alan dubon, even clubhouse. So

Brandon Handley 57:17
awesome. Awesome. All right, but thanks for being on today. Thanks, guys.

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Connect with Adam Walton on his website here: https://thementalmasteryalliance.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there Spiritual Dope, this is your host with the most the voice of a generation. Brandon Handley. And I’m on today with the Adam Walton. Adam. What are you running these days? Man? What Where should I? You know, even if I just say it, I think the I know you best is the mental mastery, but I believe you’re the mental mastery Alliance now.

Adam Walton 0:26
I’ve always been the mental mastery Alliance.

Brandon Handley 0:30
So there you go. You know, I know Adam as he’s one of my first coaches, Adams actually the person that gave me that line that I that I just threw out at the beginning, they’re the the voice of a generation without Adam. You would not have the voice of a generation does know that. I think he did that. Right.

Adam Walton 0:48
I did kind of know that. Yeah. But I mean, the reality is, they would have the voice of a generation because my friend, you still exist. And you were partially there, I just figured why not glorified. And that, that’s, it’s it’s 100%. Sure, like you really have to envision what you want. And just like anyone that’s getting started in anything that’s new, it’s really hard to believe in yourself. So when you start announcing yourself as the voice of a generation, you live up to your monitors, you really step into that power. So it’s not like you have to, you know, slow it down or play small, you know, when you are the voice of a generation, which you currently are right now. You stepped right into it.

Brandon Handley 1:30
I love it. I always like to say that. And I it’s funny, every time I say this, I always expect somebody to send something to me. But nobody’s ever said that I can’t be the voice of a generation.

Adam Walton 1:41
Right? You’ve also never specified which generation so all the haters can beat

Brandon Handley 1:46
the hell out. So I usually like to start this with a phone one, right? The The idea is that the universe, God, whatever speaks through us, right? And somebody listening to this podcast right now is going to get a message that can only be delivered through source through Adam Walton to them, what does that message, do more.

Adam Walton 2:12
Simply put, do more, no matter what you’re doing right now do more. And that’s that’s the one piece of advice that will get you from where you are to where you need to be. If you there’s there’s a there’s a statement, when you have a job, when you work for somebody, when somebody is hired you to complete their tasks. always deliver more than is expected. And when you do that, you change the way you operate. sequentially, you change the way you operate mentally, you change the way you operate physically and spiritually. If you’re saying I am tasked to do this thing, then that is the limitation you put on yourself, that is what you will do. And you will do a basic job of it. When you do more than is expected.

Unknown Speaker 3:00
You’ll always amplify.

Adam Walton 3:04
In other words, your tasks, you’ll amplify your output. And when you amplify your output, you feel it internally. So without trying to seek praise from anyone or anything anywhere, other than how you feel about yourself, always do more.

Brandon Handley 3:25
I mean, I think it’s pretty, it’s pretty powerful message. how,

Adam Walton 3:28
you know, what’s a good example of that? Because I think that I know that for myself. You know, historically, it’s like do more as I do more of what, how right? What would you tell somebody do more looks like? Just like you said, do more of what and how if you’re going to take up the moniker of doing more. And then you ask yourself, what more can I do? Well, now you’ve got an you know, you’ve got to give yourself an answer. And when you do you execute on doing more so simply by asking the question you have effectively done more. Also, when you’re on that line of thought, you have the ability to to create more. And there are so many times and I’ll tell you this just like the more you try to push in anything and the more you try to do something positive you’re gonna get you’re you know, you’re gonna get a pushback, a naysayer, anything. Because if you’re if you’ve decided at this moment in time that you’re going to step into your purpose, for example, know that if you’ve not started this journey, you are starting from the beginning. But the beginning is a little bit into the race and into the race, you’re still in the crowd. And that crowd is of people you joined a race with that wasn’t your race to begin with. So the people that will say the negative things or the people that will get inside your mind are the people you associated with before you became I would say aware before you became self aware before you became spiritually aware before you started this journey at all. On this path, on this journey, you are going to unload these people one by one, so that you can make room for the new people that are in this journey on this path with

Unknown Speaker 5:11
you.

Adam Walton 5:12
It’s not a good thing. It’s not a bad thing. It is merely an experience. So embrace all of the negativity, embrace all of the uncertainty because it is those uncertain moments that is those negative moments that create the positive view. Five years from now, one year from now next week.

Brandon Handley 5:31
Yes, sure. I mean, you can look at any event or an experience is coming into your life right now. As a negative right now, like, you know, you say, hey, this negative is COVID, right? You just had whichever you gallbladder taken out, whichever.

Unknown Speaker 5:46
My gallbladder tried to kill me, right? Yes,

Brandon Handley 5:50
yeah. And and I think, if you were telling me, you know, you we connected a couple weeks back, and he said that he just came out of hospital. And I think I asked you, I said, Well, you know, were you it was your back? You? Weren’t you laid out for about a year or so with your back as well. Correct? Yeah.

Adam Walton 6:06
So what what happened with me on that on that the back part was when I really stepped into my purpose, the world without my own desire, or anything slowed me down, basically put me in bed for a year. That gives you time to think.

Brandon Handley 6:25
So does, you know, but talk to me a little bit about going through that. And before we even got fired up here, I think, you know, when you and I first connected, I wouldn’t have put you, I think in the spiritual journey space. You may have been on your way, right. But somewhere along the way, you and I both kind of started sprinting or running towards this spirituality bit. Where did you get like this kind of fever, the bite

Adam Walton 7:01
when you and I first met, I wasn’t allowed to be myself based on contracts negotiated at the time I was a entity of another unit. So my spirituality started, my spirituality started when I was born. I never fit in, I was never part of the third dimension, I was never somebody who looked at something and agreed with the television agreed with the narrative agreed with getting a job, I questioned everything since birth. And it’s been referred to as a fourth dimensional entity, I arrived here as a fourth dimensional entity. You don’t know what that means, obviously, because when you live in the third dimension, you have to look at all this shit, that doesn’t make any sense. But you have to look at it all. Now, when you and I crossed paths, I was living my best life. As a sales coach. And as somebody who had the ability to see into people’s souls, I utilize both skills. Coaching was coming naturally, next, and the dark night of the soul is the main thing that pushes people into the next reality. I’ve gone through probably about four of them in the past three years, where I’ve been forced to deal with myself. So when you step into purpose, when you step into your ascension, your light your journey, your reason for being here, a lot of other bullshit disappears. A lot of stuff that that is not necessarily goes away. And what I find entertaining about that moment is everybody has this preconceived notion of what a spiritual person is. And I don’t live up to any of those preconceived notions. I come from a very cruel background, I come from a ruthless background, to be honest. And it’s been said that you need to be capable of evil, to be able to spread positivity to be able to be capable of pure positivity, because anyone can be nice. But to be capable, and understanding there must be a contrast. So anyone can be something but if you’re truly capable of evil, and you choose against it, or you learn from it, and it creates a new, then that’s an entirely different state than saying, I believe that we should all be a certain thing. That’s a very controversial statement. If you want me to unpack it more I can. But for the most part, there’s one meme that I absolutely adore. And it says, Don’t let the spirituality confuse you. You know, there’s gangsta under here, and a lot of people

Brandon Handley 9:43
100% 100%. Right. Like, I mean, I don’t know that. I think the contrast is necessary. Right? You know, I wouldn’t say personally, I look from from my vantage point, I wouldn’t say I’d have to know you have to know evil. To know good, right. You do, because at the same time, you have to know, you have to know.

Adam Walton 10:05
And this is a really valid point, because you have to know light to understand darkness. So on that note, when I say you have to know evil, I’m not saying that everyone’s evil, but I am saying that the most spiritually enlightened people I’ve ever met, have lived through some shit.

Brandon Handley 10:22
Sure. Look, man. There’s no doubt right. Like, I don’t I don’t think that I don’t think that I’m bringing my personal take is I don’t think that. Again, there’s no preconceived notion, right? It comes from anywhere, you can get it anywhere you get it, like it can happen in any way. Right. And that’s the beauty of it. So I definitely appreciate

Adam Walton 10:43
up right on that one.

Brandon Handley 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your journey. Right. So I mean, you know, tell us a little bit about like, let’s talk a little bit about like this, you know, as the Adam Walton that I met, right, the Adam Walton that I first met him as his coach life coach. You know, the story is, you know, you’ve had some success, you know, throughout your life, you built it all on your own. And then, you know, the atom, the atom Walton I first met, even though it was a kind of a package deal. To me, it seemed, you know, seemed genuine. Right. Seemed always, yeah, always genuine. Yeah, always genuine. But the atomwaffen that I feel like I know, now is just more expansive, shall we say? Right. And I think that that’s a good phrase for it. Right? There’s a different, you know, you said fourth dimension, no being and I think that there is there there multiple new dimensions about you. So let’s talk about like that transition over the past, like three years and what’s happened.

Adam Walton 11:47
Berbick, the, you know, when I was when I was referring to earlier, it leads into this, you know, when you when you find, when you find when we were Okay, so, when I was talking about evil, you know, evil versus good. Again, the contrast, every single thing is contrast, you know, you don’t know heat Unless, you know, cold, you don’t know, light unless you know, dark, the Yin to the Yang, this idea of who you are at any given moment is only compared to who you were. And when you are somebody who, you know, has gone through certain experiences and has been talked to and dealt with a certain way, you have certain notions of who you are. And based on that, you have certain notions of where you think you can go. spirituality and how it compounds is, by taking those extremes, my journey, specifically not, you know, everybody’s got a different path. But my journey specifically was taking those extremes and experiences and viewing them as teaching moments, rather than painful experiences that I wish I’d never lived. You know, if I go back through my life, and if I go back through my experiences, every last one of them formed who I am, and who I am is amazing right now. But nowhere near where I’m going to be in 10 years, and where I’m going to be attending. And that’s not me to to my own horn, I’m not trying to impress anybody, I’m not trying to do anything, I am just simply on a journey for myself. And we’re in before it was always nice to you know, do this, you know, be kind to others, and all that sort of stuff. And you think to yourself, it’s a good idea to, you know, be kind to other people, for other people. And you’re but you’re being bombarded with it right now in the media, which is, you know, wear a mask for other people get vaccinated for other people, you know, nobody’s really questioning the fact that all of this stuff needs to be done for you. And if you raise that point, then you’re selfish. And it’s interesting that the entirety of the world has decided that we need to think of other people as opposed to focusing in on who we are, and what we’re capable of. Because first and foremost, with regards to the vaccines and the masks, if you’re not wearing a mask, my mask doesn’t work is such bullshit. If you’re not going to wear a mask, and and people in old age Homes is going to die again, bullshit, right? Everything has its own purpose. If I were to walk into an old age home, I would mask up, right, but for me to not be able to have my friends over. And then and then and then be able to go to Costco, you know, two totally different things. And I’m speaking on this because this is the grand awakening. What we’re seeing right now is the veil being pulled. What we’re seeing right now is the holes in the story. So every single thing that’s ever taken place in my life, is now being compared to what’s happening in the sandbox is not being compared to what’s happening in the ethos of the realm in which we’re all inhabiting. So I am now able to compare my life story to what’s being offered to me to the experience that we’re all collectively having, collectively having a unique experience, which is a very interesting thing that a lot of people can’t wrap their minds around. And that’s because they’re all tied into each other. The third dimension you’re all tied into one another as opposed to experiencing individuality inside the culture. If you’re a Star Trek fan, just picture Seven of Nine, or whew, if you want to go right back to the Star Trek, the next generation, phenomenal things, there’s a lot of stuff in Star Trek, actually, they talked about the Dyson sphere as well, fantastic, completely different episodes. But when it comes down to your spirituality, you are experiencing this world in this realm.

Unknown Speaker 15:21
With your background,

Adam Walton 15:24
therefore, your background and my background are entirely different. I’m not better than you, you are not better than me, a man who is born into money, you know, to a poor man, seems like he’s got it all. But he’s got his own problems. A man who was born with nothing and no legs, or what have you, whatever it is, you know, he’s got his experiences, and for you to be like, Oh, poor him, that’s you, implying your experiences onto him. Therefore, you’re forcing him to play inside your ethos. It’s an interesting reality, to understand that we are here to experience individually, the collective, and you start off inside the collective as is your experience for comparison. The only way you can break out of the collective is to understand that exists, the only way you can understand it exists is for it to exist, which then brings back good and evil, if evil is being perpetrated to wake you out of the collective consciousness, and it’s an agreed upon contract, ie soul contracts, something that people can walk into, is evil, actually evil? Or is the act of evil good, because its end result is for you. Now, that’s a huge debate. Everybody can have their arguments and their and their competitive thing. Perfect, but it’s a topic that nobody discusses. We look at evil and good as black and white. And it certainly is not.

Brandon Handley 16:52
I mean, look, I like it, right? Do you gotta have any hero’s journey, you gotta have the antagonist, right to something’s, there’s got to be some type of catalyst, there’s got to be some type of obstacle to overcome, right? In order to flourish. Just like, you know, cheese goes, I listened to this morning. I forget what it was exactly I was listening to this morning. But you know, think of a walnut shell, right? I mean, that for that tree to express its life, it’s got to do battle with that shell, right? It’s got it’s got to penetrate and get out of that shell, it’s got to reach for the light. And then it’s gotta, you know, then it’s got to reach to the ground. And first of all, it’s got to know what’s inside of show. Look, I mean, it’s just gotta it’s already knows that’s, that’s the that’s always the beauty. Right? You know, the rest of nature outside of human beings, right? A tree trees, a dog dogs, humans were like, What the fuck is going on? Right. So, you know, and I enjoy, I enjoy your perspective. So what I mean, just talk a little bit about what led you there again, so I mean, your your, your Adam, you know, the, you know, I wouldn’t call it like pre spiritually, you know, the pre awakened, Adam, I guess we could have, right. You know, and how do you slip into this space?

Adam Walton 18:09
It wasn’t, it wasn’t any one thing. Obviously, it was a collection of things. And like I said earlier, you know, being born fourth dimensional, it sounds Jujuy. But at the end of the day, I always viewed things differently. So when I was able to not think I was crazy for viewing things differently. And when I was able to see that the society was trying to give me ADHD, and this and anything, for me to understand why I was so good at sales. For me to understand why I understood what people needed, I had to dig deeper into myself. And to do so I encountered more answers to the questions I was asking the questions were changing, the answers were changing, and they were leading to more questions. The more questions that were being answered, the more questions I had. And then when you stop living, fourth dimensional, third dimensional and you start living fifth dimensional, it is a shift, you go back and forth. You can visit the world, fifth dimensionally, so you can see it but you can’t live there because it doesn’t make sense because this is where you’re going. It’s not where you’ve been. And it’s not anything like where you where you’ve been. fifth dimensional living is understanding and when you can understand certain things, a lot of shit just goes away. And when that shit goes away, you have so much more room inside yourself to embrace new things. You stop worrying about am I going to live Am I going to die? What if I crash? What if I this What if I don’t make any money? What if it doesn’t work out? What if it does work out? What if I do this? What if I do that? When all of those noises leave your head? You can amplify everything that you’re doing at the moment that you’re doing it.

Unknown Speaker 19:49
How did I get there?

Adam Walton 19:52
Honestly, I would have to say the leaps all came from Dark Nights of the soul all came from going toe to toe with what I believe To be true, entering painful moments, the back putting me in bed. You know, when you when you’re sleep deprived for over a month, and you are faced with chronic pain, you ask certain questions, you change the way you do things. And when you’re when you come face to face with your inner demons, whether you want to or not, when you’re in that much pain for that long physically, there are people that you meet inside your mind. Dark Nights of the soul also come from smaller experiences also come from putting yourself out also come from you allowing yourself to have that experience. And collectively right now the universe is going through a dark night of the soul. And you’re seeing an awakening to the illusion. Some of us are some of us aren’t, you know, and there’s a lot of questions, I have a lot more questions about where we are now than I did. Before, you know, before you see what’s what’s what’s, you know, the world the game that we’re playing, because, because it’s phenomenal. So my spiritual journey is is just beginning. I am growing exponentially, I have changed my focus, I no longer need or want what I used to want. Now I want to make a difference. Now I want to make a change. Now I want to have a voice. Now I want to share my message. Now I want to be a guest on your podcast show. I’ve always wanted to be a guest on this show. Come on. Have you seen the artwork for this, ladies and gentlemen?

Brandon Handley 21:33
I’ll tell you, James, James knocked out on that. The CIO sounds a little bit like you’re talking about finding your purpose. Yeah. And what’s that? You know? So what does that mean to you?

Adam Walton 21:50
alignment, basically, my purpose isn’t anything other than what I needed to be. And, and my alignment, you know, what’s funny, is boredom. Boredom goes out the window, the minute you start aligning yourself properly, you start you start finding fascination, and all kinds of things. I mean, all kinds of things like boredom is just not challenging yourself. And and it’s really interesting, how that plays out, you know, and just this growth, this this alignment, you know, how do I how do I not sound like every other person speaking in broad terms, I mean, it’s almost impossible not to because every single person’s journey is different. And every single person is allowed to have experiences. And the minute you stop asking, if you’re having an experience, you understand that you are having an experience. So everyone out there that is experiencing something weird, they want answers. You give yourself those answers. And then when you start believing in yourself, you you move in leaps and bounds.

Brandon Handley 22:53
What do you mean by you know, start believing in yourself?

Adam Walton 22:57
Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that you can fail? No, no. Did you think that you could fail when I met you? Yes. No. How would you explain that difference? Because you actively right now know that you cannot fail?

Brandon Handley 23:15
It was going through the process, right? We talked about that. It’s uh, you know, there is it’s funny. I actually I posted a meme. I think not too long ago, just my own meme. I said, What the fuck is the process? Right? Because people always say, trust the process. And you’re like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. And and until you go through the process? Or a process? I guess. Right. It’s, it’s tough to discern. So that’s how I got there was by trusting the process and going through with it.

Adam Walton 23:50
That’s right. And that’s, you know, that’s basically you know, the gist. So when somebody says, you know, when I say to you, I cannot fail. All I can do is have an experience and make a decision about it. Right, the world doesn’t get that just yet. There are so many people that like explain that make that because of course you can fail. I think one of the funniest realizations I ever had was the Yoda saying, Do or do not there is no try. Sure. And I was like, when you’re living in third dimension you’re like of course there’s a try there’s try all over the place you do nothing but try until you do or do not. But the reality is that we live in Yeah, and results you live in and results you either do it or you don’t do it.

Brandon Handley 24:27
That’s the the other one and the matrix, right. Stop trying to hit me and just hit me. Yeah,

Adam Walton 24:33
great. Trying to hit me exactly

Brandon Handley 24:36
right. Just hit me. It’s real similar to that. So you know, the dark nights of the soul you kind of went through. And I think one of the things I like to always understand is, now that you’ve kind of got like this purpose to kind of share your message out. I believe you’re still doing you’re still coaching and you know, trying to get others to Understand what their messages right align with their purpose so that they can go through the process, right? How are you seeing? Are you seeing a leap in fulfillment in your life. And by living it this way, versus what it was before, and is there any way you can kind of compare, compare and contrast that for us

Adam Walton 25:23
100%, there’s, again, you know, the lack of boredom, you know, all that sort of stuff, you know, comes into it. My purpose in life is to wake up lions, is not to wake up sheep is not to, you know, dismiss them or anything like that. But my purpose in life is to push those that need to be pushed, to step into their light to step into the light of change. And it’s not even that I’m doing it for them, I’m doing it because I need to do it. Once that person is awake, and once that person is off and running, they no longer have anything to do with me, my purpose was not to get praise from the lion that has now awoken, my purpose was to simply wake that lion up. My purpose was to allow them to understand their purpose a little bit better, and to show them that they’re not crazy for having that identity. What was I doing? Well, being third dimensional, I was teaching people how to sell, I was teaching people how to close, no matter what realm I lived in, I was always teaching people. And when you live in that realm, you are always under the gun, you’re always under attack. And it’s really interesting, because you will find people say the craziest shit about you, when you’re in the sales room when they don’t even know who you are. But when you exude some sort of energy that they don’t have, they want to bring you down. And interestingly enough, that isn’t about, like you or them or anything, that is the experience, you have to get stronger by understanding that these things are happening so that you can face your own, you know, whatever growth patterns that you have to face. And they have to do it so that they can understand that it’s not the right thing to do that you don’t you don’t chop somebody down, right? Yeah, the same debate goes with bullies, a lot of people will talk, you know how bullying is bad. But bullying teaches the bully a lot. And it teaches the one that’s being bullied a lot, and everyone has these experiences. So you know, it’s an interesting jump, how I went there, but it you know, it, when you find your purpose, you understand that you are contributing properly in your realm. If your purpose has to do with avenging the weak, maybe you were bullied, and maybe without being bullied, you’d never have lived into your purpose, if you were a bully, who turned his life around, because he saw how terrible it was for the other people being bullied. And that leads you into your life purpose, go for it. You know, the world in society is so quick to point the finger at so many people about so many things, without understanding that every usually for the most part 90% of everyone who has ever perpetrated a crime or, or whatever, is at some point a victim in their own lives, either repeating a pattern, or you know, built up anxious or being, you know, having, you know, trying to take their power back from being a victim, whatever it is, again, the Battle of good and evil, what contrasts for the sake of the other to contrast. So when you talk about stepping into your purpose, if you’re a quote unquote bad person, once you understand that, that can’t possibly be true, and that you have the ability to step and move forward, you realize that the third dimension has always tried to make you look at your past and make you compare yourself to who you used to be. As opposed to living in a fourth or fifth dimension, where you compare yourself today to who you want to be. I look at myself today and say I’m not this person yet, I need to work on that, that that I need to go through this, this and this to get there. They’re in there. But since the entire world for the most part is coming from, I’m not this person, because I used to be that person. And that person is holding me back from becoming this next person. But that’s how you’re trained to think.

Unknown Speaker 29:03
So

Adam Walton 29:04
when the world decides it wants to wake up, like you keep trying to ask me about me, and I keep reflecting back to the world. Because I am not the person you’re interviewing. Even though I sit in this chair, you’re interviewing the experience, and I can share my experience or I can share a perspective of experiences. And you’re getting both and I ramble a lot, but that’s okay. People seem to like my voice.

Brandon Handley 29:27
I see what I want.

Unknown Speaker 29:29
You damn straight. Do

Brandon Handley 29:31
idea is it’s funny, you know, the experience, right? The the idea though, that we experience, time, or anything else, you know, and knowledge is that that is of course an illusion. Right? what we experienced right now is what we’re always experiencing, which is, you know, an eternity right. We’re experiencing eternity right now. just you know, how do you want to see it? Right? dia fulfillment piece, right is kind of still on getting that right. Do you feel more fulfillment in general? With this kind of wave waving?

Adam Walton 30:20
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a question for you as well. Sir. The fulfillment man, honestly, how can I put this fulfillment when you stop doing what they tell you to do smoking cigarettes, drinking booze, being debaucherous being an asshole, all the stuff that you’ve ever been taught to do in life, you know that small consumption of alcohol, when you put it all aside, and you realize that you’re so much more than what they told you to be? film, it’s massive. It’s absolutely massive suit. Like, I’m assuming that you haven’t picked up a drink in years. But when you put it down, you put it down. You never you never went back to it.

Brandon Handley 30:54
Yeah. happiest, happiest I’ve ever been. Yes. Childhood? I’d have to say right.

Unknown Speaker 31:03
And a lot of that

Adam Walton 31:04
a lot of that is tied into you. Aligning, not you quitting drinking, quitting drinking was a result of alignment. Look at our mutual friend,

Brandon Handley 31:12
Jeremy. Yeah, no. But it goes back to what you were saying though. Adam, I called for the person I wanted to be, versus maintaining the image of who I was. I said, Hey, you know what this isn’t? This isn’t who I want to be going forward. That’s right. It doesn’t it doesn’t this does not, you know, align to who I want to be going forward, who I want to be going forward, has all these capabilities. And one of the one of the capabilities is, is the strength to to say I don’t want to drink and I don’t want to hang out with everybody else and do the same things everybody else is doing. I want to be doing what I want to be doing on my own terms.

Adam Walton 31:52
And you did it. Yeah. And that’s pretty much how simple it is. It is. And there are so many people out there that will say oh, you know, addiction is this? How many times have I heard 1000 people say, quitting alcohol is one of the most painful and hard things to do. I was a seasoned drinker, and I stopped, right, right. And then you know what they say? Well, that’s you. That’s not everybody. And I say I can only speak from my experience, your experience. And anyone that says it’s hard is typically somebody who hasn’t gone through it. Or typically somebody who went through it the hard way and didn’t decide to look at it the easy way. Equally, I don’t look at it for themselves, they probably look at they did it for somebody else. They didn’t do it for themselves. You’re right, you’re right. There’s there’s a book out there called the Alan Carr, the easy way. And that is how to quit smoking. And I was a smoker. When I met you, I was also a cigarette smoker. I smoked a pack a day for years. It was disgusting. But when I was a kid, it’s just what you did, where I grew up, where I came from, you smoked cigarettes, the cool kids wore leather and smoke cigarettes, cigarettes, they’re not ridiculous. And there’s no more leather stores. And it’s also full pod to where the skin of another animal. And when you think about that, should it it is a bit peculiar where, anyway, you know, I’m my alignment, my journey and all that sort of stuff is is bringing me to where I want to be. And that is, I’m fully able to defend my position. I also don’t speak my position to the most part, I don’t find it’s necessary for me to communicate with anyone that may or may not understand me, I will talk to everybody on their level, I will answer any question that anybody has. And for the most part, I do my best to allow people to simply be, and you’ll find in that sense, too, that people will interact with you a certain way. And they will like you or they won’t like you no matter how enlightened or experienced you are. There is an energy working to you know, in, in in congruent with, you know everything where magnetically we’re all aligned or attracted. You know, there are times where you can take a magnet and you can pick up other magnets and that same magnet will push off other magnets, if you just lay out a ton of scattered magnets. Some will pick up and some will drop off that humanity, right. And if you flip a magnet that picked up, it’ll push off as well. So you’re not necessarily aligned with everybody at all times. But for the time that you are aligned, go for it, have your fun, do your thing. You know, but to have any expectations much more than that is foolish. If you want to grow with somebody do it. If you want to grow through people do it. Don’t hold anyone accountable to them living up to your expectations or fitting into your narrative and your reality. Grow and see who grows with you and see who you grow into and see who you meet on your growth journey. Because the alternative is to sit in front of the television when you’re not at work. And that to me is in bullshit. Because there’s so much more to everything than what they’ve allowed us to beat. The typical third dimensional person is somebody who is dating somebody, they don’t want to date at a job. They do. Don’t want to work at not making as much money as they want to make living in a house, they don’t want to live in addicted to alcohol, and not even realizing it. That’s your standard third dimensional individual or entity, anyone asking the question or trying to step out of that is, is, is drifting into fourth dimension. And anyone that’s actuating, and visualizing, and making real, what the secret, the secret to try to make you know, money off, when you try to make that real when you when you live in visualization. And when you live in actualization, you’ve stepped right out of it. Because here’s another thing too, when you’re living in third dimension, you are experiencing everything you’ve put the effort into experience. Therefore, everything that you have is a result of your physical actions towards the manifestations that you’ve created. You are living in the result of the effort that you’ve put in at any stage of life, basically.

Brandon Handley 35:53
Are you saying that the third dimension is a result of like physical activity? And the fourth and fifth are the result of other activities? No, they’re

Adam Walton 36:03
all mental. So the third dimension is not thinking for yourself. The fourth dimension is asking questions. The fifth dimension is believing.

Brandon Handley 36:10
I like that the third dimension is not thinking to yourself, the fourth is

Adam Walton 36:15
asking questions.

Brandon Handley 36:16
And the fifth is believing in yourself believing believing in yourself. And you know, when you’re saying, believe in yourself, you’re not talking about the confidence to do something and like, you know, go climb a mountain, believe in yourself. I don’t know, I would I yeah,

Adam Walton 36:33
I don’t let me pick up a car right now.

Brandon Handley 36:35
I mean, the theory says Yes, right. The theory does say yes,

Adam Walton 36:39
but what if I said to you, Brandon, I’m gonna give you one year, do whatever you have to do. But at the end of that one year, I want to see you on this exact day, next year, you’re gonna pick up a car, you can do that. And if everything is happening all the same time, then by the time one year rolls around, you and I are going to be standing face to face on the side of a car. It’d be a look car, like a 1987. Look car, so it won’t be too hard. You

Unknown Speaker 36:59
know? No, look,

Adam Walton 37:01
I’m not I’m not gonna push your buttons too hard. Or you go. And exactly, yeah, so you just pick that up, right? But you’ve hit the gym, you’ve done the training, you’ve you’ve understood, you’ve learned you’ve taken in the knowledge and you’ve picked up the car. But as it stands right now, Not a chance.

Brandon Handley 37:13
What else? That’s right. That’s what that’s for the thing. Is that right? So I mean, you know,

Adam Walton 37:17
manifestation, that is 100% manifestation in the realm that we live in. It takes a minute to go from here. I’m pointing at my brain, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know if he’s going to use the video for this. I’m pointing at my brain from here to here to tangible, right, that belt behind me on the wall. Before I had that belt, I wanted it. Right. And then what did I do? I earned some money. I called a guy, a shipping company picked it up. It came here, I manifested that belt and created it.

Brandon Handley 37:45
Sure.

Adam Walton 37:46
Anything that you want in this world, you create, right, I’m

Unknown Speaker 37:49
created.

Adam Walton 37:51
Now the thing is, we think we want things because we’ve seen them on TV. Imagine what you could create. If you could tap into source directly. like holy shit, I want that gergan slog right, you know what that is? But go ahead. Exactly. And then you just manifest it. And I was like, What the fuck is that? You’re like, it’s a gurganus log, you son of a bitch. You want it cuz you’ve never seen one before? Right? Right. But the minute your neighbor sees your gergan slug, he’s gonna figure out what it is. And he’s gonna get one make one do one? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So we grew up at a time to where, bro, you know, you and I probably didn’t have the coolest car in the parking lot. But we had a car in the parking lot when we were in high school. We didn’t have we didn’t have parents money. But we had our we had our efforts, you know, we pushed what we had. And we believe where we were. So we actuated based on what we believed.

Brandon Handley 38:41
Well, so so I want to I want to so I’m gonna jump in here, right? There’s two things. One thing is like, Alright, well, when you when you said, you know, kilos up a car. And, you know, the working theory is that I could do it today, based on you know, kind of what we’ve seen before, just out of the idea of like, you know,

Adam Walton 39:00
a mother strength

Brandon Handley 39:01
is everything, right? I mean, of course, yeah, but but right. But because because I don’t believe right now and myself enough to

Adam Walton 39:10
do the thing. Tapping matrix 100%. Now, you’re talking like fifth, you’re talking like sixth and seventh dimension. Because there are people that have done feats of strength on a regular basis. Right, but and there are also myths and stories and these people just tap into source immediately tap into source. You know, if you’re, if somebody is trapped under a car, I guarantee you can pick that car up. Sure. Because Because the physics go out the window, again, the matrix,

Brandon Handley 39:38
don’t bend the spoon that and then that I think that then there’s the you know, there’s the necessity that says, hey, you need to be able to do this. So source allows that to open for you. Right provides that for you. And then the other part now, this is this was a really eye opening moment. This was a conversation you and I had. Geez Adam, I think was a year ago. Driving around, and I was just leaving my real estate class. And I was talking to you about this teacher who was in there. Who was teaching motivational interviewing, which is something that I was really interested in. I was like, I mean, what are the odds that she’s in there? Right? What did you say? to recall?

Adam Walton 40:21
She was in there, because you needed her to be in there.

Brandon Handley 40:23
But you said, I said, What are the odds? And he said, 100%, right, the odds are 100% I was like, motherfucker, you’re right. Right. And, and, and, and then you said, something along the lines of she was in a, you know, because that’s the only way that you believe that it could happen type of thing, right? So it’s, you know, you create your life, and act upon it in a way that you believe you should be. And that’s the only way that it’ll happen. So until you change, what you believe in, and what you believe yourself to be capable of, you won’t take any actions towards it right type of thing. He won’t see it. Right. I think that’s the other part too, like until you believe. Right, you won’t be able to see it.

Adam Walton 41:07
Yeah. I mean, when you also when we talk, if you’re right about all that. And as I stutter, if we talk back to the car, right? The idea of you being able to pick a car right now, we agree that it could be done immediately. But we also agree that it’s more likely that you’ll be able to do it in a year, for sure. You know, Now, that being said, for you to be able to tap into source on a regular basis and pick up a car is not the purpose. For you to become the person that understands how to tap into source and to regularly pick up the car is the purpose of that we are not here to do the thing. We are here to become the person who can do the thing. So that’s the cool part. You know, how many times to and maybe this is just me, but every single time I’ve ever acquired whatever it was I wanted, when I bought the thing I don’t care about anymore? Yeah. You know, when I bought my first car, I was like,

Brandon Handley 42:04
yeah, that’s the journey. That’s the journey.

Adam Walton 42:07
That’s life, life is all about that thing. And now again, the car also, when I bought my first expensive car, I was, you know, fully immersed in the idea of the third dimension. Now, what you have validates who you are, which is total bullshit total.

Unknown Speaker 42:23
Self again, that’s,

Brandon Handley 42:24
you know, that’s gonna be that’s gonna be actually the same conversation this weekend with somebody we visited. You know, once you have a bunch of money, you realize you don’t change. Right? I mean, it doesn’t change who you are inherently, I mean, changes. I think it does change some things, right. It allows you the space to kind of fall into expansion, because you’re not as worried about a survival mechanism, right? It’s not necessary, though. That’s what that’s what that’s one thing I always like to point out like, so once you have enough money, you stop worrying about that. And you can start exploring some of these other things like spirituality, right? Well,

Adam Walton 43:07
here’s, here’s another thing, too, if you don’t have enough money, right, you you get stuck in that rat race, right? You can also say to yourself, I need more time. So I’m going to totally downsize my house, I’m going to take up a job at McDonald’s flipping burgers. And I’m going to make sure that my bills are paid and that there’s food on the table. And I’m going to spend every waking moment after that focusing on my craft, focusing on my message focusing on my person, and creating. So you don’t it’s not that we don’t have enough message or instant message. It’s not that we don’t have enough money. A lot of the time, it’s that we don’t know how to utilize our moment.

Brandon Handley 43:42
I think you hit on something there too. Right? Creating, right spend time creating. And I think that most people would would would say when you say, you know, they’ve got to create, they’ve got to be an author, they’ve got to be an artist, they’ve got to be something else. What is when you’re saying creator, what are you saying?

Adam Walton 44:03
Create?

Brandon Handley 44:04
Yeah, but I mean, you know, what’s that look like? I mean, it’s,

Adam Walton 44:08
yeah, it’s it’s a heavy word. Creating isn’t art. Like, a painter isn’t creating paintings. a painter is creating himself herself, themselves itself, we self whatever junction people want to use these days. a painter is creating, and the result of their creation is art. So somebody who is completely stuck in a job that they hate without with a spouse that they don’t care for, in a situation they don’t want to be in can start creating that moment by saying, I don’t want this anymore. They start creating, the more time you spend creating, the more, the more likelihood you’re going to succeed. Just like the more time you spent playing darts, the likelihood is you’re going to get better at darts. So, creating is becoming right and then if you want to Paint if painting is your creation, you start painting, you know, you start, you start with, with the materials that you have, you pick up a box of crayons, and you hammer it out and you work on your draw, you work on your lines, you work on your dimensions. And then from there, you, you know, you sell one of those things, you get really good, or you get noticed, or you upload it or you go on to Fiverr, you go wherever the world is completely open to anything that anybody wants to do, you can sell your painting, you can sell a class on how to paint, you can draw, you can do anything, you just have to find out how to get there, how to do it, whatever it is that anybody wants to do, they just have to do it.

Brandon Handley 45:35
But that also goes back to again, what you’re saying you got to believe in yourself, and you got to want to want to do it right. You have to believe in yourself, and then kind of take action towards it. Right? Just even if there’s just tiny steps, right? Yeah, you know, sell something on Fiverr. Go to Fiverr. put yourself out there, right? To be found. Right, of course. And you believe that?

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Why not you

Adam Walton 46:06
a fun story about Fiverr. I’m on Fiverr. And I went on there and I do writing I just two short stories. I do blogs, I do, you know, content, written content for coaching pages. And from there, I charge peanuts, you know, but every now and again, like just the random stuff that is fun for me to do and takes no time at all. I, I have some, it’s like 30 or 40 bucks a page, right for 500 words, which I’ve undercut everybody, but from there, it’s blown people away, when they kind of understand when they kind of do some research on who I am. Like, why would I be on Fiverr? Why would this be a thing? Like why would because the perception of who I am, as you know, on the internet a lot bigger than who I am right now. I’m just a dude, that’s all I am. But it’s funny, because from Fiverr, I get paid to practice writing. Right? Right, because I can, here’s the thing, I can write whatever I want. But you know, when you have an idea in your head, you don’t believe in yourself or whatever it is, when you’re just getting started on any one thing. It’s hard for you to be like, I have some ideas and I want to craft but when somebody says hey, can you write this, this and this, these are the things I want to talk about, this is the thing I want to do. But and then you’re you’re on it, you’re like, Alright, I got this figured out, then you go do it just like it’s easier to help everybody else. And it is to help yourself.

Brandon Handley 47:16
Now that’s right, you know, and I love I love that you brought that up. You know,

Adam Walton 47:20
I want to finish that thought though, too, though. God. So from from Fiverr. For anyone listening from anyone jumping out, the real reason I’m there is because it’s free advertising, I have acquired five people specifically that have gone into my full program from a $5 ad they’ve dropped 25 K, right. So you can’t judge anything, you can’t judge anything on anything, you should just be wherever you need to be to fish wherever you want to fish to eat whatever you want to eat, and have fun with it experience and drop every single idea in your head that you think is a certain thing and just go and run and be free.

Brandon Handley 47:58
All right now that’s that’s really cool. I love that. I love that you’re doing that. And and, you know, the perspective there. Makes me think about again, like, you know, kind of podcasting right makes me think of the idea of you, when you if when you interview me on your podcast, it’s easier sometimes. Right? Just you’re just the one if you’re the one asking me the questions, it’s easier for me to come up with the answers. Because those are some things there’s some questions I might not answer, or think of on my own as valuable content or anything else. But when somebody else asks you a question, it comes out so naturally, right? Just like when you’re writing for somebody else asking you to write for them. It’s, it’s just coming right through. Mm hmm.

Adam Walton 48:42
I think that’s funny too. Because, you know, you’ve been on my show, and and it is it is it’s different in, in, in in so many aspects because on this show, too. I you know, I love doing these shows, because it is always me that’s, you know, steering the show or running this or asking the questions, but I have the opportunity on the show just simply to answer your questions. You know, and, and, and I love I love the creativity because it is it’s identical again, you and I can have a conversation. Right, your show is your show, My show is my show both are a little bit different. My show is certainly a little bit more out there than your show. I like to talk about little green men. You know, I like to I like to be able I like to be able to expand on every single topic and tie it all back into source because there is a truth in everything. Sure. And that you know, that’s a fun that’s a fun conversation I have now like I said I don’t have your fancy artwork but I do have you know I do have the joy the gift the gap. Another fun thing too is you don’t have to be doing anything like nothing has to be sitting there like I was teaching you guys how to podcast long before I even had a podcast. And that was because I had the you know, I had to know how I had the knowledge but to me I was rammed with other things. I had different stories in my mind. You know things I wanted to accomplish things that I had set out in the in the initial states. I’ve always said, I’ve got to get this going. And it’s very important that people have it. But how do you how are you to be taken seriously, if you’re teaching something that you’re not following through with, which was ends because of you guys that I said, I have to have this podcast. So I’m going to keep teaching people that this is the way to have the message out there. I need to have the message out there. And I was teaching off stat, therefore, I was saying, These are the things that I know not obviously through Sam, all that other stuff as well. But for me, you know, to launch into just do it. Like it’s it’s such a wonderful world to be on the other side of it. Once you you know, once you cross over that, that doesn’t even matter. 1010 podcasts, 50 podcasts, 100 podcasts, every single podcast, you get better.

I mean, the first podcast, ladies and gentlemen is funny because it is just you sitting in front of a mic in front of your computer going,

Unknown Speaker 50:46
I don’t know what I’m doing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 50:49
100%

Adam Walton 50:50
and then you’re and then you’re out and then you’re rocking. And then you know, you and I know right now that there’s an audience right now listening, they’re sitting there, they’re enjoying their night. And this is the entertainment that they’ve chosen over television, and I’m so grateful and thankful for that, to be the truth and to be the new reality in which you and I reside. I love that. Every single one of you listening right now, you are amazing. You’re amazing.

Brandon Handley 51:11
100% I mean, you know, listen, I think about I’m thinking about the Jim Rohn stat piece that just says, you know, focus on the few, right, I don’t care. This one’s not about going out and getting numbers. This one’s about connection. You know, there’s podcasts, this podcast is about connecting with people who are either on the brink of an awakening or just kind of somewhere along their spiritual journey, or just coming along. Right? for the ride. And and

Adam Walton 51:49
where do you think you are? on your journey, right? Now, if you were to say, if I were to say, Are you enlightened? If I were to say to you, on a scale of one to 10? How far up? How far up? Do you think you are?

Brandon Handley 52:01
Like a three? Yeah, because let’s just like you said earlier, there’s so much there’s so much. And I’m just barely beginning to scratch the surface. Right? Where I’m just, I’m just starting to just starting to scratch the surface of my own potential reality, my inner self. Who or what I think the universe is all that all that stuff, man, how about you? It’s good question. I like it.

Adam Walton 52:30
Man, I say the same thing. You know, I’m a three, I’m a four. And that’s an ignorant statement for me to make, because that’s only being able to base things off where I have been. Right, right. Right,

Unknown Speaker 52:41
for sure.

Adam Walton 52:42
You know, and and, you know, I don’t know, I don’t know how far I can go, you know, you know, that’s why I say low. You know, I say low because, you know, three or four fours high three would be decent. But I mean, we could be at point two, you know, for sure.

Unknown Speaker 52:56
Right. Right.

Adam Walton 52:56
Or, you know, we could be at 10. Like, this could be it. Here we are, you know, it’d be weird if it was because that drop off. But you know, I have so many more questions, and I have so many more things I want to experience and journeys that I want to go on. I wake up every morning excited. You know,

Brandon Handley 53:14
you know, here’s what I’ll tell you. I am though I am not as much about the question so much as I am about enjoying the experience and just being

Adam Walton 53:25
Yeah. And that’s it. But that is the question. You’re living in it. For sure. Your that’s your question right now. That’s what’s cool.

Brandon Handley 53:35
Yeah, it’s a it’s a look, it’s it’s a it’s been great. It’s been perpetual. And it’s been it’s been, there’s been more joy, and there’s been more fun in it. I think, then there’s been a long time. I think you also mentioned a little bit earlier, not necessarily about societal pressures, but you know, doing the thing that everybody says you’re supposed to be doing, versus letting go of all that shit. Right? And not having all that pressure. I think that that’s huge, too.

Adam Walton 54:08
I agree with that. I agree with that. Once you you know, once you instead of viewing peer pressure as a pain point, you get the opportunity to view it as a lesson. It’s cool. If you say to yourself, why would I be concerned about I don’t know. Anything. Really? Why would I be concerned about this? Like, Hey, man, have this drink? Well, you don’t drink like fuck, you know? Why would it be like oh, I really should. What weakness inside me says I really need to do what Chad’s doing. Right. I’m gonna pick up my hacky sack and just play because my name is Chad. Right? That’s, you know, no offense to the Chad’s listening. That’s just running.

Brandon Handley 54:46
Sorry, Chad. Yes, sir. Chad. Yeah, you

Unknown Speaker 54:49
know who you are.

Unknown Speaker 54:51
But that’s

Adam Walton 54:52
so funny. You can’t say that name without it being funny. It is what it is man. It is what it is. You And and like you said, waking up and just being like, you get this opportunity to be like, I want to learn my lessons, I want to understand why I think the way I think I don’t want to blindly accept that I think the way I think, because one of the coolest things about stepping into purpose and stepping into a higher dimension mentally and physically is that you understand that you’re not having thoughts you’re experiencing them. Much like the radio isn’t creating music. It’s tapping into a frequency and amplifying it. So, you know, all that self hate and self doubt you’re receiving that from somewhere, step your frequency up and you’ll start receiving different messages.

Brandon Handley 55:37
Yeah, it’s a shared a lot. I put the book on my reach, where is it power versus force sent you the link actually, to his like, subsequent, he’s guys got a lot of books, David, David R. Hawkins. I sent you that book on surrender, which is super awesome. But in that book, he’s got like a map of consciousness. Right. And that’s kind of one of his big, big pieces that he’s contributed, I think, to to kind of where we are, and what you call like the, you know, ripping of the veil or whatever, right, the thinning of the veil, whatever you want to call it. I feel like he’s contributed quite a bit to that. Because there’s a there’s a, there’s a map of consciousness, right, here’s where you are. And if you kind of, if you can leverage that and see where you are, you can kind of know where the next step is. Yeah. Which I think is really great. And, yeah, you know, if you’re feeling hate and anger and frustration with your with the world, chances are you’re feeling that with yourself. Right? And how do you want to address that?

Adam Walton 56:39
Yeah. And if the world is showing it to you, it’s something you need to overcome, because it’s all that’s also your fault. Right, right. Now, I’ve also I’ve been on the hook so many times for victim shaming, is that the term I don’t know what it is, were you like, you’re like, like Dave Chappelle, He’s, uh, he made the joke, Oh, she got, you know, assaulted. And he’s like, wow, what was she wearing? You know, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t put myself in that category. But I get I get the finger pointed a lot at me for that sort of stuff. Because again, you can misplace humor, you can do whatever you want, the world seems to want to live in its own narrative and drag everybody else in through theirs. Sure. And for me, it you know, it’s it’s, it’s a certain it’s a sensitive point, but it’s a certain one, like, if I’m out drinking all the time, there’s a there’s a high likelihood that I’m gonna get punched in the face. It for history never happen. Or there’s certainly a higher likelihood that I’m going to get punched in the face being out drinking, then if I’m in having intellectual conversations with individuals, for sure. If you love the idea of being out drinking, and if you want to get mad at me and said, Well, what you can’t be drunk and have an intellectual conversation, man, you can do whatever you want, anywhere you want in life at any point, right. But what I will say is if you want more out of life, you’re going to come into certain circumstances and situations that change the way you specifically do business. And once you get to the other side of how you’ve done that, you can look back and say, Man, I got punched in the face, because I was out drunk, running my mouth, you know? And that’s it. Which means I’m the victim of assault. But it’s because I was an idiot that it happened.

Brandon Handley 58:13
You’re the one who created the situation.

Adam Walton 58:16
Yes. And that’s not all of them. I’m going to put this in an Asterix Ladies and gentlemen, the world wants to you know, eat everybody alive right now. That’s for sure. Every situation. It’s not a blanket statement. That individual experience statement. Sure. No, no, no, I

Brandon Handley 58:29
get it. Right. Listen, that disclaimer, right?

Adam Walton 58:34
Exactly. I mean, there’s millions of people listening this podcast right now. I know. Right?

Brandon Handley 58:38
Listen to listen, they’re huge. They’re huge. And you know, I don’t want them I don’t want an avalanche on Adam’s House because he’s a dick.

Adam Walton 58:46
I spiritual dick

Brandon Handley 58:50
telling you that you got punched in the face and it was totally your fault. It is right you got you put yourself there and then look, man, there’s definitely situations where like, you know, people like well, this happened in the world and you’re saying that was their fault? Like, come on, man. The take it with a grain of salt. You are where you And hey, that could be your soul contract.

Adam Walton 59:06
Right? Yeah, that could be your soul contract. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 59:09
we don’t know, man that nobody knows. So for you for anybody to come up and say Yay, or nay. But I mean, you know, at least in our current level of understanding and experience to date,

Adam Walton 59:20
here’s an extra step to that soul contract. It could be your soul contract to be murdered me making you the ultimate victim, right? And then but it’s not. Your soul contract isn’t for you or for the murderer. It’s for the observers of everyone that witnessed you getting murdered. Right, and then you and the murderer, soul contracted into this to wake the world up. So the murderer has to commit a heinous crime of murdering and the victim has to create or has to be the victim of a murder. Both of them signed on to this so that you and me could witness this and change how we do life. That’s how soul contracts can work as well. For sure, you know, there are some extensive quantity that go into every single experience. It’s, it’s mind bendingly beautiful,

Brandon Handley 1:00:06
not 100%. Right? It’s life. Right. It’s it’s life. And I think that that in itself is beautiful. Just like you, sir are beautiful. So where can we send people to go hang out with Adam?

Adam Walton 1:00:21
There’s a lot of changes going on. But you can you can check us out right now, at the mental mastery. alliance.com. All of our social links are there. Everything’s there. We are just having fun with everything right now. Everything is tickety. Boo. So definitely come give us a check out if you like social media, if you don’t like the computer, that’s cool, too. We’re everywhere. We have our own podcast, all of its linked back to the webpage. So in the liner notes of this episode of my webpage was there then everybody would get to see what we’re all up to. And there’s a ton of stuff going on. So we encourage you all to pop by. And if you don’t want to do that, amen. Cool to

Brandon Handley 1:00:58
Adam, thanks for stopping on today. I

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
always enjoy the conversation, brother. Absolutely my friend. Great time.

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Mike Iamele is a writer, life purpose expert, and brand strategist. With his proprietary Sacred Branding® system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads that explain their subconscious motivations, unique genius, and life purpose. People use this work for all kinds of things — from branding and building a business, to exploring identity and sexuality, to finding their artistic voice, to even re-discovering themselves after a life-altering event, like divorce or retirement. Mike’s also the author of Enough Already: Create Success on Your Own Terms (Conari Press 2015). He’s shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts, and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first same-sex relationship. Prior to Sacred Branding®, at only 22 years old, Mike co-founded Torch Communications, a boutique public relations firm, specializing in healthcare and disruptive technology. He currently lives in Somerville, MA, with his husband and two adorable dogs.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dove is Brandon Handley. And I am on with Mike Iaconelli who is a writer, life purpose expert and brand strategist. With his proprietary sacred branding system, he’s helped hundreds of people to connect the dots between their lived experiences to find the common threads explained their subconscious motivations, unique genius and life purpose. People use this word for all kinds of things, from branding and building to business to exploring identity and sexuality to finding their artistic voice to even rediscovering themselves after a life altering event like divorce or retirement. Mike is also the author of enough already create success on your own terms. He shared his provocative and vulnerable take on life in dozens of magazines, podcasts and online publications, including a personal interview with NPR about his viral story on rethinking sexuality in his first first same sex relationship prior to sacred branding relationship prior Okay, sorry. Prior to sacred branding, at only 22 years old, Mike co founded torch communications, a boutique public relations firm specializing in health care and disruptive technology. I’m not gonna tell you where we live. They can find that on their own. But here’s the deal, Mike, first, first of all, just while I’m going through this, thank you so much for joining me today.

Mike Iamele 1:24
Yeah, thanks, Brandon. This is awesome. I’m glad to be here.

Brandon Handley 1:26
Awesome. So I’m reading this. It’s funny, though, because I was reading this earlier. And when I read it in his first same sex relationship, so like, I mean, multiples or, like, I mean, you What happened? There was

Mike Iamele 1:41
a great question. Let’s dive right in. Um, you know, I previously had no conscious knowledge, no interest in men. To my knowledge, I’ve only dated women. And it was a time where I actually woke up one day vomiting blood. And that didn’t stop for a few months, I was really, really sick. I was going from doctor to doctor trying to figure out what was wrong with me. And my roommate at the time was a friend of mine, we actually two roommates, but one of them was a friend of mine who was in the healthcare profession. And so he kind of became my caretaker, I couldn’t drive myself to these appointments. You know, he really took care of me. And after about two months, I felt like I felt something. It wasn’t sexual. It didn’t even feel romantic. It just felt like something was a little different. And I think if it were any other time in my life, I probably wouldn’t have acted on it. But I thought I was going to die. And so there I was kind of saying like, Well, you know, and I felt really weird. I said, Hey, I don’t know what this is. I don’t know if this is anything. But I kind of have these feelings. And he reciprocated he felt something. He didn’t know what he also had never dated a man. And that led us on a year and a half, two year journey of exploring what that is. We are married today. We’ve been together for over nine years. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 2:59
How cool is that? How cool is that? So that’s usually not my first question. But when I was reading through that, I’m like, what is what is in here? Right? So here’s my first question is, hey, look, you know, we’re both in the spiritual realm, we both we’re both in this space where the universe talks to us, right? We’re conduits for some type of energy, right? In these body shades, forms, minds, whatever the hell right? So given that, when we’re when we’re having a conversation, people that are tuning in listening to podcasts are tuned into something that only you can deliver, right, at this time, you know, sources delivering what message to them through you right now.

Mike Iamele 3:38
So what’s the message I’m delivering? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 3:40
What’s the what’s the message, the sources sources pulling through right now,

Mike Iamele 3:44
you know, the message is that it’s ironic because it’s exactly what you’re talking about, that every single one of us has a unique way, energy flows, unique sensitivities, unique purpose. And the thing is, I get really fired up about this, because the way we talk about purpose is toxic. And it really induces shame. And the reason for that is we talk about purpose, like it is achievable and aspirational. So we’ll say things like, Oh, my purpose is to be a life coach. My purpose is to write a book, my purpose is to get married. And that’s awesome. But here’s the thing, if you can achieve it, that means you can also fail it. And that doesn’t make sense, like how you fail your purpose. And more than that, if you can achieve it, it implies you didn’t have it at a certain point. So did we just not have a purpose as babies like that doesn’t make any sense whatsoever? Sure. And so I talk about purpose, a lot more like sensitivities. And here’s the thing even as a baby before I learned one word I was sensitive to some things. Some babies are sensitive to music, and they can probably hear notes that I can’t hear. Some babies are sensitive to certain colors. Some babies are sensitive to freedom. And if you’re sensitive to freedom, you’re probably going to feel trapped a lot more easily than I am. You’re probably going to look for opportunities to feel free all the time and you’re probably gonna create your best work when you do feel free, right know that sense? activity is going to start to color your entire experience of life. Every moment of your life, every trauma you have, every job you have, every relationship you have, is going to be either expressing or suppressing that to some degree. We’re going exactly through that sensitivity. So we’re sensitive. That’s how we experience life. We see taste, touch, smell life, there are senses, right? That’s what purpose is. Now, if I’ve got a container that can totally hold my purpose, it’s like talking to my best friend. And time just flies by and genius just feels out of me. And I’m tapped into that unique thing coming through me right through my senses. Yeah. And then we have those other conversations, were kind of like, Am I saying the right thing? Am I doing the right thing, am I and we’re on that level of technical. And then when we say if we’re on the level of technical, we have no idea what the essence is, we’re not actually tapped into essence, we’re just trying to kind of mold this awkward container. But when I know I have boiling hot tea, I’m not going to put that in plastic, I’m not going to put that in a cup with a handle, I’m going to choose the right container. The second that, you know, essence, everything starts flowing. And that’s why whether we’re talking about relationships, whether we’re talking about spirituality, trauma, healing, you’ve always no moment of your life has been wasted. You everything has a purpose. Obviously, the word purpose means why. But we have containers that can hold that purpose and containers that can’t. And my interest in life is just knowing who we are removing any shame and then finding containers that can actually hold us.

Brandon Handley 6:29
Now. I love that, right. There’s a there’s a lot in there. And I think that that’s a I think it’s a great message. One of the one of the things that I wanted to share to what you talked about is you’re going through your branding system, right, and how that can help you explore, explore your spirituality. And one of the things that I mentioned to you right before we got started here was, you know, more people reached out to me on on spiritual dope than a couple other podcasts. But what I did also nothing that I recognized and some of my other podcasts, the people that did reach out to me, my first one was fatherhood for the rest of us. And I had like this kind of weird dad snare, everybody’s got a weird dad snare and always got to the you know, whatever. But like, he was like, he heroin overdose died, stuff like that, right? Like, about 30 40% of people I talked to. That’s similar story, right? So you would track kind of who you are. I’m not saying, um, you. But you track like, like mines, right? So the people that are reaching out to me are also experiencing kind of what you’re sharing that this your sacred branding system, right? And recognizing that marketing, isn’t this the skeezy thing? Right? There can be some goodness that comes out of going through understanding what is your branding? What is right, so let’s talk a little bit about your sacred branding system so that people can kind of understand it from that perspective.

Mike Iamele 7:54
Yeah. Well, let me tell you how it got started. Because it is, you know, everything looks glamorous, or retrospect. But I promise you, it is not. So, you know, I was at this moment where I was really sick, like I mentioned before, and I was kind of sort of navigating this relationship with my roommate. And I went around from healer to healer. You know, I wasn’t into alternative healing at the time, but I was really desperate. And so I started going to reflexology, and Reiki and acupuncture and you know, energy healing, you name it, I was there. And one healer said to me, you know, can I pull a card for you? Okay, that’s what you want to do. And she pulled a card, and she said, Oh, my God, you are going through a shamanic healing crisis. And the second that you start to realize, and change your path and find new containers, everything will change, you will magically get better, and it’s gonna change your life. So I took it with a grain of salt at the time, but I bought a few books that she had mentioned. And I went on my way. And through this process of discovering, I started realizing this new spiritual part of myself. And so this is happening simultaneously. I actually owned a PR agency. So as you mentioned, I worked in public relations and health care reform. And I never thought that would be fair job. I loved that job. I mean, I liked it. I should say it was good, but it wasn’t fully fully right container. But it was good enough. And so this crazy thing happened, where I lost my passport, the day before my family was going to Aruba for New Year’s, we always go for New Year’s, my passport disappeared. I keep it locked in a safe wasn’t there. So I drove back and forth to my parents house to my house. Like I didn’t sleep that night. I was just driving. They were an hour for me, and could not find my passport. They went to Aruba. The next day. I was stuck at home. And so I you know, said to my partners, listen, guys, why don’t I take off next this next week? instead? I’ll work this week instead of being on vacation. And then I’ll go Ruby late and meet my family there. And kind of uncharacteristically, they had some issue with us. And so I thought, all right, well, I will work but I’ll work from Aruba. I’m going to Aruba and they said well, we don’t know if You’re really serious about this company. And I was like, You know what, maybe I’m not. And so I went to Aruba. I came back, and it was like someone else was speaking for me. I just said, I’ll give you a year’s notice, we’re gonna restructure, and I’m leaving. So now here I am sitting there and thinking, what the hell am I going to do with my life, like, I don’t have a plan, you know, I can sell my shares. I have a little bit of money, but I don’t have a plan. So I went to herbalism school, I went to nutrition school, I literally went to two schools full time that year, while working while taking spiritual classes, while exploring this relationship. It was the worst year of my life. But I finished it. And I thought, well, I don’t know what to do. So I decided that I was going to be the health and wellness coach for the Boston entrepreneurs, because I knew them all. Why not? Like I was an herbalist. I was a health coach, I can do this. And it was okay. I wasn’t making a ton of money, and I really love it. And so I started writing a blog. And this blog got decently popular. And someone REACHED OUT out of the blue and offered me a book deal. And I thought, Oh, this isn’t this is my purpose. I’ve always meant to be a writer, I’m going to do this book deal. So I write this book, I go on a book tour. And I hope not everybody’s listening to this part. I didn’t love it. It wasn’t great. still buy my book. It’s good. But I did not like just being an author and doing the book tour things, a lot of pressure. I didn’t feel supported. And so I thought, well, crap, I’m wasting my time. I’m wasting life. How do I not know my purpose? Now I’ve gone through the crisis. I’ve done all the things that every book tells me to do. I’ve one on every life purpose webinar, every life purpose training, I don’t know my purpose. So I go back to the drawing board. And I said, All right, what am I good at? What does the world need? And I’ve had circled that middle ground. Oh, it is so obvious. How did I not see it? I meant to create a blogging course. But this blogging course, is just going to be a blogging course, it’s going to be deep, it’s going to be spiritual, it’s gonna help people find their voice. And it’s gonna help them get booked deals and all this great stuff, right? So I create this course. And of course, you know, you got to go pro. So I put everything into this, like, I’ve got the lighting kit and the nice mic, and the Facebook ads, and the web designer and the business partner and all that stuff and put it out to the world. And five people bought it. The loss was extraordinary. I mean, that was the last of my savings, I was done. So I was mortified. I knew, I guess I will ask my partners to take me back after a year, who knows what’s going to happen? I still don’t know my purpose, after, you know, decades of trying, but really a year just focused on that I still can’t figure it out. I’m a failure. And so I decided to host a failure celebration, right? Because at least you know, maybe I can flip the script and celebrate Well, maybe something good came from this year. And I went into a Facebook group I was a part of. And I said, I’m happy to, you know, do some branding for you. And some work that I came up with way back in PR. It’s a simple system we use to help CEOs kind of think about their messaging in a very concrete simple way so that they can make sales decisions and messaging and interview talking points and press releases and all this stuff. Very simple. And so I went in there, and I offered it to these people. But these weren’t the, you know, tech entrepreneurs and healthcare politicians I was used to. These were life coaches, and artists and healers and all types of cool people. And every single one of them said to me, Mike, you didn’t just tell me my brand. You told me my life purpose. It’s like, wait, wait a minute. They’re like, What are you trying to say? And so I had to go back to the drawing board and figure out what am I actually doing here? What’s happening that’s telling these people claiming that they know their purpose in a way that’s never been articulated before. And so I did the process for myself. And I discovered six words. And these sorts of six words are aligned, zany, free, unmistakable, successful, and vulnerable. And the second I saw these words, every moment of trauma in my life starts to make sense, because I started to feel every time the opposite of those when I was protected. When I felt like a failure, these articulated better than anything, the biggest trauma of my life, I started to look at what felt good about it my PR job, but what didn’t, what made sense in writing, but what didn’t. And as I started to do that, simultaneously, people started asking me, what do you call this? And I said, it’s branding, but I guess it’s sacred, I don’t know, sacred branding. laughs That word on there. They start telling their friends and I was open for business. And I never went back to PR, which I thought I would the next day never did and that was six or seven years ago. Now. I

Brandon Handley 14:29
think. That’s great. That’s great. And I think that, you know, look, you you just stepped into kind of like your fear, right? And and you you surrendered a little bit, right? You just you just said you know what, this is what I got. I’m having this conversation. I’m gonna have the failure party, people are gonna step up. Do you happen to be in this group, like you said, of like artists and you know, these kind of spiritual people and you’re helping them find their purpose, and if I recall correctly, you’re like, I didn’t even know what mine was. All right. Hold on a second. Yeah, I did what? Hold on a second. Wait, I’m gonna come back. I’m watching Oh, this works because now I’m gonna work. It’s like kinds of hypnosis on yourself though, right? Like, all right.

Mike Iamele 15:11
So the irony about it is like, if we look at those words successful, I was hosting a failure celebration to make success, right, I was being super vulnerable, I was aligning with my type of people, like, when we start to unpack what that means, well, da, this was gonna be a moment of success for me. And that’s why I always call this you know, a reliable, predictable formula for success and fulfillment that works in any situation without fail. It doesn’t just work in job because it’s kind of To me, it’s like shooting darts, like most of us live life where we’re shooting darts in the dark, we kind of sometimes stumble upon success, and we that feels good. But even if we have something successful in our lives, we don’t actually know what made us successful. So we’re an artist who might say, well, was it the medium I was using? Was I feeling inspired? Did I have a lot of spaciousness that day? Or if we’re an entrepreneur, we think, well, was it the image? Was it the coffee was not asked these questions? Sure. relationships, same thing. What I often think is, when we do this work, what we’re doing is we’re mapping our experiences, you know, to do sacred branding, we’re mapping out traumas, we’re mapping our highest access points, we’re starting to notice a pattern and boiling that pattern down. And it’s kind of like flipping on the lights, doesn’t mean I’m gonna hit the bullseye every time, but I know what I’m doing. I can practice, I can say, Alright, I know I need to be vulnerable here. It’s really awkward for me, but I’m gonna keep practicing what that looks like in relationship until I can hone that sensitivity.

Brandon Handley 16:32
Right. Right now. That’s fair. That’s fair. The one of the things that I see out there is people trying to be vulnerable, but really, they’re just vomiting, like, or, you know, just just doesn’t come off as genuine. So how can you be authentically vulnerable on purpose?

Mike Iamele 16:52
It’s a great question. You know, I think that I think that there’s a difference between maybe intentional and strategic care. I think that this, you know, I guess the bottom line is, what is the reason that we’re being vulnerable? And that’s what I’m really interested in, when we go down to the brand energy level, is it about connection? Is it about intimacy? Is it about, you know, feeling aligned with somebody? Is it about being seen? Is it about feeling abundance, like, there’s a reason that we’re doing it in the first place. And if we’re not really tapped into that we’re kind of deceiving ourselves, we’re basically like, I want to make a lot of money. And so I’m being vulnerable to make a lot of money. But I’m not actually conscious of that I’m actually owning that the shadow. So it starts to come across as inauthentic. But I think when we really know who we are, and what kind of owning and claiming that, you know, I often say you don’t have to assert what’s claimed, right? If I’m asserting something, I haven’t fully claimed it. So if I have to be like, Oh, I am super masculine. That’s not something I’ve planned. Oh, I’m super vulnerable. That’s not something I’ve claimed, right. When I’ve claimed it, it’s just internalized, and then I kind of exude it. And I think that’s what I want for every person to be able to exude the authentic flow of who you actually are. Right?

Brandon Handley 18:01
I mean, that kind of goes back to like your beginning, right, you know, how can that person find out who they truly are? Right? And then helping them to figure out how to truly express that. Is that you know, I mean, that’s kind of that’s kind of, that’s the business that you’re in? Yeah, that’s

Mike Iamele 18:16
right there. you boil it down. Absolutely. Yeah. No,

Brandon Handley 18:18
I love it. You know, me. And it’s funny the story that you’re telling, too, because it’s exactly what happened to me, right? My first podcast was like, I gotta I gotta hit these notes. I got to do these things. I want to do it for money. Like, I didn’t really want to do it for money. But I was doing it for money. I was like, yeah. And then and then like, I was, like, you know, switched out did another one. And that podcast was wasn’t in straight alignment with who I was right? Like this. I was like, it’s almost there. I’ve almost gotten it, right. And then this one is like, is better? Right? This one? I’m like, I’m almost there. Again, like so again, like, and and? I’m sure, right. I mean, would you talk to kind of how the universe opens up once you find your alignment? Like, what’s that look like? For you?

Mike Iamele 19:02
Yeah, absolutely. Well, I think, you know, it depends what language we’re comfortable using, whether we want to call it the universe, whether we want to say we’re just putting ourselves in the place of opportunities, and the right thing comes.

Brandon Handley 19:10
I think that that’s great, too, right? Because I think that a big a big challenge for the people that are like, you know, the spiritual ilk, or are super artsy, they’re not going to be as comfortable with the business language, right? And that’s, and that’s why they’re open to this other. Let’s open up to the universe. Let’s have a vision board, let’s, let’s do these things because they are these are goals, these are planning, these are all those other things, but it’s in a language that they their brain, and their subconscious will not filter out, like, oh, we’re gonna do it like this. That’s great, man. My energy is in alignment. Let’s do it. Right. Whereas like, if you’re like, let’s let’s come up with a plan. I’m not much of a planner. I don’t I don’t write hate plans.

Mike Iamele 19:56
Well, I think the thing is, you know, we all have our own Attachment towards our own language, our own connotation. And that’s why as much as I think things like, you know, MBTI or enneagram, with these systems are really awesome. I’m a big fan of, you know, speaking to our purpose in our own language through how we associate with words. And that’s why you know, I don’t really care. I tell people, if your words of Sally Bob and Jim awesome, if that means something to you, you go for it. And so my job is just to help them map how they use language and begin to boil that down to overarching themes. And it’s a really cool process. So we can

Brandon Handley 20:32
do. I do I do. Okay,

Mike Iamele 20:37
so, do you want to be a guinea pig? Or do you just want me to speak to your guinea pig. So this is gonna be my super super, like, dumbed down shoddy way of doing it. But if anyone wants to reveal a little bit more real, you can just go to Mike iaconelli.com slash map, it’s free. It’s 36 minutes, and you’re gonna get a worksheet. So it’s super cool. But let’s play now for 10 minutes. Okay, so Brandon, can you take a moment to close your eyes, and I want you to think about three jobs that you have had in your life. So just three jobs could be anything, it could be back in high school, you were, you know, a cashier, it could be a current job, it could be podcasting, just anything that you want. And when you get your mind in those three jobs, I want you to pick one of them and tell me what it is.

Brandon Handley 21:32
So, you know, once upon a time like that to my laptop, my eyes are not to show.

Unknown Speaker 21:37
Yeah, I know what’s happening.

Brandon Handley 21:40
You know, so once upon a time, I mean, this is going back 20 years, like I used to do two bunches like the raves right the nighttime parties, but like I do the promoting for them, right? Or like help hosts are like pull, pull, pull, pull the gathers together, right? I mean, so awesome. So you know, getting people together and and seeing them having a great night. I mean, that that was it. Right?

Mike Iamele 22:01
So you’re already getting ahead of the game. You’re so good here. So I want you to tell me, what are three things that you either made people feel or you gave to people? And so my example is you might make people like you said feel happy or fun or connected, or safe? Or maybe you made them feel like energized and manic. Like what were three things? Yeah, look, I

Brandon Handley 22:21
mean, people feel a you know, look, if you’re going if you’re if you’re on just as parties, like you get like, that’s an experience, right? One time experience, probably never gonna happen again. And it’s a life experience.

Mike Iamele 22:34
All right. experiential. We’ve got that 100%

Brandon Handley 22:38
straight bliss, man, right, dancing out dancing all night long. Right. You know, they stop dropping, I don’t know, whatever spelling.

Mike Iamele 22:46
So it’s experiential. It’s bliss. Is there anything else that you wanted to make people feel? I

Brandon Handley 22:50
mean, is active, right? It’s engagement.

Mike Iamele 22:52
Perfect. Perfect. This is great. So now pick a second job. And I want you to tell me a little bit about that job and then do the same thing.

Brandon Handley 23:00
The podcasting, right podcasting, the connections, like you can’t, it opens so many doors, right? Like, I mean, it’s a straight up opens. Like I can call I can talk to anybody, right? If there’s, I literally just interviewed one of my favorite authors a week or so ago. Sreekumar Rao, right? I have a podcast, would you like to be on it? Right? This is my space. This is what I do. And I think you’d be a great fit, right? I mean, so connections and then being able to connect, like you to the audience, right. So So Mike, I’m always on I’m like, I don’t just like Mike, you’re gonna like Mike and here’s why and, and just listen to him. Like, I don’t have to tell you, you’re gonna be able to decide for yourself. Right? So sharing those connections. And what’s left, I mean, it’s just, it’s just fun. Because you get to you get to this, this is an amplifier. Right? The microphone is an amplifier, I get to share my message with the entire world. And if anybody is any, like stratosphere, right? This is like radio waves. It goes all awake, universal man. So communicating my story to everybody that

Mike Iamele 24:09
I love that got universal. It’s amplifying. It’s fun. It’s connecting. Awesome. Got some great language. All right, one more. So the last job Tell me about it and tell me three things that you wanted people to feel from it. And,

Brandon Handley 24:25
I mean, I think bartending was probably just so much fun. And again, like it’s just always about other people connecting with other people being mean that kind of, I guess, you know, and even in like with the podcast, kind of being that that hub, right, that that that kind of generates all that energy to make it all happen.

Mike Iamele 24:46
Mm hmm. I love that. I love that. Okay, we’ve got some good good mapping going on already. But now I want you to take a moment Brandon and close your eyes again. And I want you to think of a really challenging moment. It could be frustrating. It could be And successful, it could even be traumatic, although we don’t want to go into any trauma that feels traumatic to think about right now. But anything that feels like this was a really tough moment in my life. And I want you, you don’t have to tell me what it is, if you don’t want that, I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 25:18
So I think I think I’ve talked about it before, but like, there was a point when I was doing like my fatherhood for the rest of this podcast. And then I got offered an amazing job, right, like a great salary. And I was like, Well, I have to stop focusing so much on this father for the rest of us thing, right, not attached my identity that that I and I realized I was like, Oh, my God, I attached my identity that same time realize that I was willing to kind of throw that away for a bunch of money. So I was kind of battling that. Right. So that was it. That was conflicted. Right. And, and it kind of, it tore me apart in a way that I wasn’t expecting, you know. At the same time, it also made me realize how much I attached my identity to what it is that I do.

Mike Iamele 26:04
Yeah, that’s, thank you for saying I’m gonna try to remember that because it’s something really beautiful. We’ll talk about right after this process. But um, so what do you what did you feel? I know you say conflicted, but what do I mean? Did you feel like you were like, disgusted at yourself or wanting the money? Did you feel angry? Did you feel frustrated? Did you feel blocked or trapped? Like, give me a little bit longer? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 26:25
I mean, I could probably go with like a little bit of of trapped or locked, right? I mean, look, I’m, I’m a family man, when you’re looking for, you know, make given stability to children and my wife and, you know, trying to give them that life. Give them you know, the the white picket fence and all this stuff, right. We’ve been trained very well for this

Mike Iamele 26:43
shot. Yeah, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 26:45
Yeah. So I mean, that’s definitely it was, I think, traps kind of a harsh word. But I definitely felt like you know, I had to do that thing, because that’s what was expected. Right.

Mike Iamele 26:56
So we’re better word be obligated. obligated. Good. Okay, that’s good. Okay, cool. So what, then if you felt conflicted, you felt obligated? What would you have wanted to feel ideal world if you could just magically have the perfect situation? What would you have wanted to feel in that situation? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:12
I mean, it should be easy, right? ease is what you know, ease, there should be no tension if you’re doing the thing that you’re in alignment in life.

Mike Iamele 27:21
Right. Right. So just flow II happening, okay. And maybe agency rights, not obligation, you’re choosing it, you’re just kind of Right, right. I

Brandon Handley 27:30
mean, I’m taking, you know, look like if you just take money out of the whole thing, like in this situation, like, Can you just go do what you want without money? Right, then then it’s easier, right? Like, like, maybe

Mike Iamele 27:41
you’re passionate, right? Because you know what?

Brandon Handley 27:45
I’m a 5050 on the word passion. Okay. I don’t like to flame out on something, right? Because, like you like, you know, what is it? Is it better? What is it better to burn out? Definitely anyways, man, I don’t want to I don’t want to use it. I don’t. And it’s a trigger word, obviously, for me, right? You know, being passionate about something because I want I want to follow it through again, with ease, like, You figure if you’re passionate about something, it’s burning, all that energy is burning up quickly. Right. And, and it has the opportunity to dissipate, but at the same time, it could you know, be the igniter of the fire. But that’s where I’m at with that.

Mike Iamele 28:21
I’m just gonna call it one thing. So I think it’s really interesting here. First of all, you know, anytime we have a triggering word, it’s where we have energy, right? So it doesn’t mean that this is a word that we’re interested in using. But what it means that there’s something in this concept that feels interesting. And I think what’s really fascinating for me, is we’ve talked about a lot of words, the very igniting very, very before we talked about amplifying and energizing for sure, excited, but we want something sustainable. So we just learned, okay for you. It’s got to be a sustainable version of that. That’s great, because all we’re doing is mapping how your mind works right now. Right? All right. Now, last thing, close your eyes one more time. And I want you to think of the happiest day of your life, or one of the happiest moments that comes up. And I want you You can tell me about if you want, but I want you to tell me three things you felt in that moment.

Brandon Handley 29:09
So I mean, I have to say it was probably when my first son was born. Right? Um, man is just, there’s just nothing. Nothing really compares to that. Right. I’m one of those reasons is, is you know, I never thought I was going to be a dad, right? I didn’t have like a good dad experience. And so for this opportunity to just kind of present itself. I was like, this is awesome, right? I get to be a dad. I was like, I’m not gonna suck at this. Like, that was like the one thing I knew I wasn’t gonna suck at. Right. So I was happy to take that on and to, you know, be able to have that role in my life, you know?

Mike Iamele 29:48
So, you know, and that’s beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. So I know you felt you know, happy. What else would you say? What did you feel in that moment?

Brandon Handley 29:57
I mean, touched right. Like that’s like, you know, we It’s probably you know, if I, if I’m looking back, you know, connecting the dots backwards, I’m sure that I’ve been touched by source like several times, but like it was one of those recognizable times you just like literally feel blessed. Right? And I’m not I’m not I’m not a Jesus guy. I’m not a god and by but like, you know, you feel blessed you feel touched in that moment. So that,

Mike Iamele 30:23
yes, beautiful, and I’m getting the sense that you can correct me from your I’m wrong here. But that there’s a sense of alignment. Like it almost feels like this was meant to be or kinda Yeah,

Brandon Handley 30:32
look, I mean, it’s just there’s no other way, right? I’ve got a friend of mine who’s up in Boston as well, you guys just should connect. He gave me the acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative.

Mike Iamele 30:43
Yeah. Oh, this is beautiful. All right. All right. So you’re I only picked these moments because these are emotionally charged. And we’re gonna get you know, squeezed the most juice out of the emotionally charged moments. For everybody listening, you know, if you go check out that webinar, Mike on mlb.com slash map, it’s a little bit more in depth, but I’m trying to keep it brief for everyone here. So one thing we’ve seen is we’ve seen a huge theme across your life of this feeling, you know, wanting to make people want yourself feeling energized in the flow, a sense of ease, you know, a sense of being touched or blessed by things, connecting and Amplifying Voices, whether you’re, you know, club promoting, you’re amplifying a message or energize people amplifying the voices. When you’re doing that with podcasting, for sure you’re doing that, you know, I’m sure that these are, you know, lessons that you want to send your kids or your child, so you know, helping to energize them helping to amplify their voice making them feel they have a strong voice, and they matter. These are themes that I’ve gone through your life, I’m gonna guess that if you look back to some of those traumatic moments of your life, you might feel there were points where you didn’t feel like your voice could be spread out far and wide, or you didn’t feel energized,

Brandon Handley 31:51
suppressed, for sure,

Mike Iamele 31:53
exactly. And so we’re gonna see those shadows, the exact opposite to what we talked about, they’re gonna start to, you know, to articulate some of the darkest moments of your life. And now we can start, let’s say, all right, and I have with my best friends, yeah, I feel this. I feel like my voice matters. I can speak up, I feel energized, I feel excited this ease this flow. When I talk to these, you know, really awkward people and people I don’t really like I don’t feel those things. It’s

Brandon Handley 32:15
like a blanket, right? I mean.

Mike Iamele 32:18
So what we’re doing here is we’re just mapping your sensitivities, we’re understanding and you can go back and use this work for past trauma. You can use it for healing, you can use it for business building, because now we know all right, you do really well, when you have guests on who are energizing and exciting and alive. You love connecting with people, you love Amplifying Voices of people who matter to you. So you need to make sure that you’ve got guests on that you really believe in their mission, and you’re excited about it, and they want to help amplify your podcast too. And now all of a sudden, start changing the business decisions you make and how you show up. And you asked me before you know about vulnerability and authenticity. For me, if I mean for you, it’s really going to be about showing up with energy and that voice and giving the message because that’s what you do when you’re most authentic. And I just think I mean, this is my shoddy way of doing it with you today. But I think it’s so beautiful when we know that because again, it’s like we turn on the lights. And now we can practice hitting that Bullseye doesn’t mean we’re gonna hit every time, right? We know how now,

Brandon Handley 33:13
right? So now that was awesome, man, I really enjoyed I enjoyed that. And and you know, that practice would be built into your branding, right? So a lot of a lot of times I think that people will be like, Hey, I don’t I don’t know, my art type is right. Or I don’t know what my you know, I don’t know what my niches I don’t know, I hate the word niche. I don’t do niches right. Like and so, or, you know, you know, I don’t want what’s the you know, avatars are dumb man, you know, so. So, this this practice sounds like it, it kind of can substitute for some of those marketing pieces, right? Or branding pieces without robbing the the non marketer guy or girl wrong, right?

Mike Iamele 33:57
Absolutely. Well, I think one thing you said that was really interesting is you talked about how so much of your identity was in what you did. And then podcasting and it’s really hard to let go of. And I don’t think that that is abnormal. You know, a lot of us we do one of two things, the big containers in our lives, our relationships, or jobs, right? Those are the two containers where we’re talking about life purpose, we’re probably talking about one of those two things. And the thing is, those are just containers for those energies to flow that we just talked about. So is your healing. So is your morning routine. So is the way you get dressed. So is the way you decorate your house. So is the way you do yard work, or your friendships like these are all just different containers. And when we are so attached to a container, it means we don’t really know what the essence is, because we don’t think we can get that same essence somewhere else, right? When we know that essence. It’s like, oh, that job went away. Now how can I make my new job? You know, be connecting and energizing and amplifying all these things? And then we’re going to start to look at like, Alright, where am I gonna fight for my voice in this job? Where am I gonna win? What am I not willing? To settle on, and what am I willing to settle on? And that’s really important to me. Because when it comes to marketing, you know, a lot of people think it’s something really different and hard and complex. And the truth is, it’s just another container. I had no plan for this conversation. And you know, sure one of my energies is vulnerable. So I show up and I share whatever it feels called. And I’m zany, and I’m loud. And I like to be crazy and play a little bit. And that is part of how my energy flows. I don’t know, what do you call this marketing right now? Maybe, maybe not. But it’s just me being myself. Sure. So is working with people and so is, you know, getting to teach live and hanging out with my husband and the way I dress? Right? Well, I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:40
not for nothing, right? Like, so I mean, what’s your, your, your, your kind of like zona genius, or, you know, whatever you want to call it is, is, is being able to help somebody get clarity on themselves? Right.

Unknown Speaker 35:50
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:52
Right. Right. Right. And that’s a real challenge. I think that for an individual to go through I think, I think, and this has been my experience, right? I think it’s a real challenge for a lot of people who would like to get into podcasts and YouTube and whatever, you know, the the, is there a name for like, what’s happening like now like, in in the kind of industry, it’s not like just social marketing, but maybe it is right. But the deal is to try and run at it alone can be very frustrating, and especially when they see how easy it is for Mike. Right.

Mike Iamele 36:27
Thank you for saying that. Because I love to, you know, share all my vulnerabilities. Believe me, everything I said earlier, looks graceful in retrospect, it’s not it’s never retro, you know, graceful in the moment. And I think the thing is, you know, we do this work, because this system can run independently of me, like, you can go check out that webinar, you can go, you know, sign up for our course, later on, like, eight works, because everybody thinks they’re all over the place. Everybody thinks, oh, Mike, but my jobs they don’t even make sense. They’re not remotely similar. You don’t know. I can tell you that’s true of me. Right? I work in health care form. And then I’m, you know, this herbalist, and then I’m like the spiritual teacher, I don’t know what the heck I was doing. But you know what, it all boils down to connecting dots. Here’s the thing. I literally align vulnerabilities and people’s zaniness and idiosyncrasies to help to free them from the stories and make them successful and understand that unmistakable ality that my energies told me that they told me what I do, and everyone else’s do your lived experience has the blueprint for success, the blueprint for fulfillment, because you have been successful somewhere in life. Yes, that’s all Yeah, we can map Why then we start to understand your formula. That’s not something exclusive to me. I know people listen, I said, screw you, guy. Like you don’t know what I’ve been through. That’s not I can promise you that because I thought I was the most fucked up of all.

Brandon Handley 37:47
Well, and I think that you bring up a good point there too, once you kind of understand the pattern, right? Once you once you understand how you can connect one or two dots, like you can connect the third. Yeah, fourth, or fifth, right? So going through the work, right, what would you say that means to you?

Mike Iamele 38:09
It’s a bold question. So you know, the work can mean many things. So if we’re talking specifically about sacred branding, which for me, it’s all the same, like the work spiritual work for me is safer branding, because it went about the person going through it like, like, so if somebody’s going through sacred branding with you, and they have to do the work.

Brandon Handley 38:27
Right. What does that mean? So

Mike Iamele 38:29
it means, you know, basically committing to your energies, here’s the thing that will happen. Inevitably, almost every person who’s done my work, will after a year or two years, say, oh, Mike, I went through a monumental shift in my life, I got to redo it, my energies are wrong, I got to redo it. And what’s happening there is not that their energy is wrong, because anyone we’ve done this with wife, kids, anyone over the age of 13, their vocabulary and their conceptualization of language isn’t changing enough for their energies to change. What’s happening is their understanding of those energies is changing. And so what it’s asking for is intimacy. intimacy is when we commit to something and we learn more about it, it’s a lot easier to just run away and try to change say, this is

Brandon Handley 39:11
one more time and intimacy is what

Mike Iamele 39:13
Yeah, when we commit to something and learn more about it and ourselves and when we’re deepening right? If we commit to a relationship, a relationship is gonna challenge us of course, we have to learn about ourselves, we have to learn about our partner through that relationship. But if we every time we get challenged, run away, that’s not intimacy. That’s not commitment. So what doing the work is is actually committing saying, alright, what can this interview this moment right now teach me about aligned, zany, free, unmistakable every fight I have every you know, challenge my life is to ask myself, what can I learn right now about success? What don’t I know about it? And it starts teaching me more about myself. And then we start doing deconditioning because here’s the thing we’ve got a lot of toxic conditioning in our society, both some we’ve talked about on this podcast, but also some we haven’t. And that’s not a That’s not something we’re born with. We were born was

Brandon Handley 40:02
like, What? Yeah, what’s one or two?

Mike Iamele 40:04
I’m talking about misogyny and racism and homophobia. I’m talking about, you know, beliefs about making money and spirituality. I mean, there’s a lot of conditioning out there. And so when we we weren’t born with that we were born sensitivities. So we weren’t born with conditioning.

Brandon Handley 40:19
What’s the deconditioning? Well,

Mike Iamele 40:20
what I’m saying is that if we to know what we aren’t, we have to know what we are. And when we know those brand answers, I used to ask myself, what about this moment isn’t actually vulnerable or unmistakable? What’s wrong here? What do I believe that’s not actually that, and when I can anchor it to something, I can pull out what isn’t that it starts I mean, we do this at the higher levels of the work, but it starts to become a lot easier to say, Hey, you know what, I’m ready to let go of that belief. Because actually, I can see my truth, and I can feel it. And you know, I it’s a sensitivity so I can literally feel it in my body, it’s not just a thought I have in my mind, it’s something that I can feel and you know, at higher levels, we start thinking about, okay, let me feel what successful feels like my body. Now, let me feel unsuccessful. And so when I walk into a room, and my stomach tightens, immediately, I know I feel unsuccessful, I’m gonna say no to that opportunity, it starts becoming intuitive because your body, it’s your senses, right? Your taste, touch smell, it can tell you these things, your thoughts, your conditioning can’t do that, because it’s not really who you are. So the more we start tuning into who we are, we can actually trust our intuition more, we can trust our bodies more. And that’s why we get better at hitting that bull’s eye, right? Because now we know the opportunities that will lead us to success, you know, the flow with the universe. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:32
you tell me, tell me about tuning into your intuition, right? And how, how do you begin to trust that intuition, right? It’s funny, because guys, anybody’s listening to podcast knows that. Nine times out of 10, I’ll jack up a name. and nine times out of 10. I know, I should have asked before we got going. And what’s funny is that, before we got going on the podcast, they like followed his intuition. You know, also something that maybe it not only you know, is has he had the experience of people butchering his last name, but he knew, connected like an intuition to me and said, Hey, do you need to know how to pronounce my last name? Sure. Right. So how do you, you know, how, how do you begin to trust your intuition? And not just in a negative sense, right? Because a lot of people are like, Oh, I shouldn’t do this. And and they follow that to a fucking tee, right? Like, like, Oh, I shouldn’t? If it’s a no, I’ll follow that. Sure. But how do we encourage people to follow their yeses?

Mike Iamele 42:34
You know, I think it’s the same thing we talked about with intimacy before and commitment. It’s really about saying like, Okay, first of all, if my energy is vulnerable, I know that when I am in safe, vulnerable space, I’m going to be more intuitive. I know that when I speak a lot, like I do a lot of processing, just speaking out loud. It’s why I can’t shut up, you’re probably like, Mike Shut up. I can’t because that’s when things start flowing. For me, I know that I know, vulnerable. So what will I do to do that? Well, sometimes I’ll close my eyes when I want to be intuitive to be more vulnerable. And what starts to happen over time is, the more I do it, and for me, it’s got to be in safe space with people I can be vulnerable with, I practice being intuitive for a long, long time with people I trust to like it. So I internalized that vulnerability. Because at first, we think it’s outside of us, right, we’ve got to be in the perfect vulnerable condition. And we’ve got to be in the perfect zany, you know, where people can be playful. But over time, we internalize that sensitivity. And now I don’t care who’s around me, I don’t care if you think I’m fucking crazy, I’m gonna be vulnerable, I’m gonna be who I am. And trust my intuition. And so I think, for me, it really starts with knowing again, I mean, I am obsessed with the brand energies, I’m obsessed with my work because it’s knowing who we are. And then it’s just tuning into that and practicing, it’s throwing at that bull’s eye over and over and over again, until we know we can hit it. But we can’t practice if we don’t turn on the lights. So we need to connect those dots.

Brandon Handley 43:57
Awesome. So you’re, you’re you’re lined up with your purpose, you’re fully charged. Can your purpose change?

Mike Iamele 44:04
So great question. I love you throw the good ones at me. So your containers can absolutely change. And they do change containers, the temporary relationships and your physical body changes your desire for sex changes, your, you know, your home changes, your job changes all these things. But what you want from that, and what you give to that doesn’t change, because that’s your senses that you’ve had since you were born. So I teach classes on your sex intimacy all the time. And people always say this while my body’s changing my desires changing all the time. But sex that’s just about getting off. isn’t all that interesting, in my opinion, like, sure it can sustain us for a little while. It’s not interesting. We always want something specific from sex. It’s to us, we might want a space of vulnerability, a space where we can be playful and explore our deepest fantasies, a space where we can explore submission or dominance or whatever. That’s what we actually want and would probably want to explore that over time. Now, the definition of what that looks like is going to dange vulnerable sex to me today very different than it’s going to be in 50 years. I understand that. But I still know when I’m actually looking for. And so I don’t have to be so attached to the container like you before with Oh, the podcast is the only way I can say that. Yeah, exactly. We let that go. And now we just have the essence. You know, you

Brandon Handley 45:19
bring up a good one, too. In the sex energy piece, I actually had somebody reach out and ask about, you know, why, you know why I might think that, you know, nuns, priests monks, abstain, right? Or even how does sexuality play out in spirituality? Right, is spirituality like? And the question was, was it is, are they missing it? Right, maybe, like, maybe they missed, like, just how the connected in spirituality was. But I think that kind of what I’m hearing you say a little bit too is like, if we just follow our basic needs, like the running as it were, right? That’s not so spiritual. Whereas you can explore these vulnerabilities and make that into a spiritual, evolving experience.

Mike Iamele 46:07
Well, I think what we’re talking about here is empty containers, right, we have a bunch of them in our life, so we can buy beautiful art, or we can shop at home goods, I’m not shaming anything about that. But the Home Goods piece isn’t gonna make me feel something as deeply as an artist putting their intention in because it’s full of assets. And so we’ve got a lot of, you know, like, sex feels good. Most people like sex, but it’s not going to nourish us deeply if it’s not full of essence. So it’s just kind of like, Alright, this is a biological need, I get off, this feels good. And I move on. And now I didn’t have that deeper transformation. I didn’t work through my shame or trauma, I didn’t feel this great, you know, divinity or connection with God, I just thought, that’s cool, but it’s empty. And over time, it’s slowly killing us. Like we live in a world right now, where we are not sensitive enough, we’re not we’re numbing out, right, we have an opioid epidemic going on right now. Um, you know, there’s a lot of whether we are coping through this pandemic, with, you know, food, or drugs, or alcohol, or movies or TV. And those coping mechanisms aren’t inherently bad in themselves, but they can be ways of escapism, and this association, right, for sure. And what I always say is, look at art, great art, when an artist puts their heart and soul on it, it moves us, he can make paintings dance, and spark cultural revolutions and political movements and make words jump off the page. It makes us feel alive, it makes us feel more sensitive. When we feel essence, when we feel someone so tapped into their essence, we become more sensitive, not to them, but to our own essence, because that’s what we grow up that

Brandon Handley 47:38
no, yeah. And you know, that that also brings up the whole idea of, you know, look, our energy fields, right, raising our BB around people that are, you know, high vibe, right? Where is is as long as you and I are like connected in the same way, a kind of vibratory field if I’m vibe and higher, and I’m, you know, strong with that, like, I can help bring you up, right, and vice versa, or transfer transfer feeling without like, craziness.

Mike Iamele 48:04
I mean, it’s basically our vibe is naturally high when we’re fully here and fully ourselves. And so yes,

Brandon Handley 48:10
it’s part like the essence part. I know you said essence like several times, would you would you? Would you? Would you liken that to connected to source

Mike Iamele 48:18
Sure. Exactly. Connected to source, lifeforce energy, and we know what sexual energy if we’re talking about sex, any of these things, essence brand energies, you know, life purpose, whatever you want to call it. I’m not a stickler on language. And I’ve purposely used a few different language in this talk, because I don’t really care. Like I your brand energies are your own language, you choose that yourself, it’s what resonates for you. But when we are fully in our bodies, and we aren’t, you know, a lot of times we have trauma, so half of me is back in this past memory, and half of me is over here and half, you know, it’s like a Harry Potter Horcrux. Right, we’re split in a million different ways. But if I’m fully fully present, I’ve a lot more power here. And so I want to fully be present and sense the world see, taste, touch, hear smell more of the world. And the more I’m tapped into lines and zany and frayed, that’s how I do that. And that’s how I do it for other people. That’s why I love podcasts, because we just get to hang out and activate people make people more sensitive to themselves and it’s so much fun. And so yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:17
percent i think that’s you know, that’s, that’s, uh, you know, what they, you know, I don’t know how many episodes it took me to get to activate somebody right? Like that’s what this that’s what it’s for. Right? That’s exactly that’s what 100% it’s like, you know, looking for one person out there This podcast is for one person to be activated. Right and so like that’s what you just did you just you know, self when you activate it somebody out there congratulations. Yeah.

Mike Iamele 49:40
And yours while they

Brandon Handley 49:43
love it. I love it. Well, man, look, look anybody. I think you got a great feel for what it is that you kind of deliver even though you know you kept saying shoddy. I think that you know it was very well done. had a lot of fun with having you on here and they would be Recognize that if they should reach out to you that they should, right? And where should they go again? Like,

Mike Iamele 50:07
yeah, so Mike iml.com slash map ma p for mapping your sensitivities, and it’s 36 minutes, you get a whole training, you get a worksheet, it’s free. Go ahead and do that, because you’ll start to know your sensitivities.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Who’s your ideal customer?

Mike Iamele 50:21
Oh, gosh, so many. I mean, people use this word for so many freaking things. But I really love people who haven’t felt at home and other spiritual practices, you know, it feels very dogmatic. It feels like they’ve had to internalize a lot of stuff that doesn’t match up to critical thinking. And I, you know, we’re intelligent beings, like, it doesn’t make sense to talk about purpose as achievable, even though we’re told that like, Oh, your life purpose is to be a life coach, or we say that this pisses me off, you join a life purpose webinar, right? And they do one or two things, they’ll say, at the very end, your life purpose is to love. Great, awesome, I’m all about love. How does that help me with my trauma with my relationship with my business in my marketing, that doesn’t help at all, we’ll go the other way. And they’ll say you love writing your purpose is to be a writer. And again, like you if I internalize that, and I did for a while, well, now when I give up my writing job, I feel I have no purpose.

Brandon Handley 51:13
You want somebody to detach from your sense of a day,

Mike Iamele 51:16
right? We see that with people who go through a divorce or get laid off or lose a job or change jobs. You know, we see this breakup all the time, these problems with mostly its job or its relationship containers, when they break down, we lose our sense of purpose. And that doesn’t make sense. So I really like people who actually want to take some critical thinking and say, wait a minute, let me think about this. Let make sense to me. And then feel right to me in my own language. Hmm.

Unknown Speaker 51:41
Nice.

Brandon Handley 51:42
I love it. Well, man, Mike, thank you so much for coming on and being a guest on spiritual dope today. Yeah, thanks

Mike Iamele 51:47
such an honor.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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These two books will help with the concept of surrender in greater depth and detail.

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What is happenin? spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here, voice of a generation as we jump into yet another chapter of Are you ready to succeed? Hello, you know this was already ready to succeed is by Sreekumar Rao. And I love how has pm a lot of gruesome conversations with her. She says this is a there’s kind of it’s in my voice, right? How am I seeing this and what is what is my take on it in all honesty to like this, this, this just helps me to dig deeper into the content helps me to get closer and more personal with this content. And hopefully, you know, hopefully it’s something that brings you some value, right? Hopefully, this is something that

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once you’ve been introduced to it, it has a tremendous impact on you, just like it has had on me over the years. And you get some big takeaways. So what we’re going to talk about today is chapter number six. Your me centered universe creates the stress in your life. He says, Hey, you live in a me centered universe. I still remember first time I saw this as like direct attack, shots fired man street from our man. It’s not cool. But it’s true, right? No matter what happens to another, you worry about how it is going to impact you. No matter what happens, you know, something happens to your wife, your son, your daughter, your mother, you’re like, well, geez, how’s this going to impact the rest of my day?

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I’m guilty, definitely guilty of it. This is inclusive of your altruistic measures. Anything, anything that you feel like you’re doing altruistically, more often than not, you’re like, Well, you know, how are people gonna see me out to this outcome? What are people gonna think of me? And I remember when I first started my journey of, you know, kind of social networking and getting out there it was, it was, it was so it was for a reaction.

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Did this was soccer coaching, I was like, Well, I’m gonna go to soccer coaching so that I can network and possibly meet people and further my career versus, hey, go out there and do this for the right reasons.

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Nonetheless, you know,

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it’s still, I still still got out there to the coach, and I still had a good time. But I didn’t, you know, it wasn’t wasn’t with my heart in the right place that time, same thing, you know, with Toastmasters and other functions. So definitely done things myself, historically. And even to this date, where even if I feel like it’s for a good thing,

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sometimes there’s something

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backed into it that says, this is this is for me, and the the outcome that I’m looking for.

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We don’t want to hear, but it’s true. But it’s true. It’s true. So he launches into you know, a real simple exercise that you can do, just to see how this shows up in your life. So this should be super easy for anyone right now out there using zoom or Microsoft Teams, or, or anything, right, simply record a call that you’re having, and listen to how often you say, me, I or my, I should go check out you know, my podcasts I’ve done for interviews, right? How often How often do I say I’m here? Or am I right?

Unknown Speaker 3:33
And, you know, reflecting even right now, I’m sitting here reflecting on I’m like, yeah, we’ll want to do it aren’t aren’t I just trying to engage or share an experience? And maybe not right, you know, inherently made. That’s just the ego showing up. I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist. So listen, this is a big one, this so this one’s super, this one’s super helpful. says, Hey, you know, this is we’re gonna talk about the stress in your life. Right, Jay, and again, you are me centered universe is what really is the creator of all this stress in your life. And when I walked you through this, when I walk you through this, you’re gonna you’re gonna be like, Oh,

Unknown Speaker 4:12
just way I’ve been right. So Sreekumar walks you through this, it says, you know, things are always going on. And you were always, always going to react to them. The thing is, you’re not, you’re not reacting so much to the event itself. What you’re doing is that you are reacting to the potential future outcomes. Now you’re worried about what’s going to happen. If it doesn’t work out in the way that you want it to.

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or the give much thought about it. Honestly, you hardly give much thought about it working out the way that you want it to.

Unknown Speaker 4:53
And that’s because oftentimes, it seems seems like the universe is against you, right? And look, it’s tough to accept

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Thing is, you know, this even this even seems to compound and cause more stress, right? Because you’re like this is, you know, I want it to work out this way. You are you’re you have a desire for a specific outcome and you believe that should you follow XYZ steps, the universe

Unknown Speaker 5:22
should fucking reciprocate. Right? And then it does it. And then it does not reciprocate. So you

Unknown Speaker 5:31
take it personally.

Unknown Speaker 5:34
How often you know, I can’t stand? I can’t stand the acronym FML you know, people were like, Fuck my life and I really wasn’t what a guy hates me or maybe Yeah, then I’ve been I’ve certainly been guilty of being like, man, it feels like me against the world, right? judge you against the world fucking you against the world. God hates you called another shit. just doesn’t make sense. Fuck my life. So when you react to these events, you know, it’s it’s, it’s because

Unknown Speaker 6:04
you have expectations for everything. for everyone. And oftentimes, these expectations are communicated right? You just feel like these things should just kind of act out the way that they want again.

Unknown Speaker 6:17
You’re like, hey, universe, this is how it should supposed to work and yada, yada. And then it doesn’t, you’re like, well, you’re just fucking pissy about it. So you expand a ton of energy trying to get others to conform to your expectations, right? And then when you feel like you aren’t being heard, you turn up the volume and extra notch, you expand even more energy and then the results still do not change.

Unknown Speaker 6:45
The universe, man Geez, right, right. And then it’s like, Hey, I go on vacation and it rains, I go, I go to catch my bus. I missed the bus. My bonus wasn’t what I expected and the whole the whole universe always against me not and then then. And then then this is where the compounding comes in, then you punish yourself. You become uptight, you become anxious, you become irritable, you’re depressed or sit around and like you just, you just morose right and just feeling awful. And then

Unknown Speaker 7:18
essentially, like, you know what, you take it out on those that are that are close by, right, you withdraw emotionally. And you stop spending time with those that are close to you generally unhappy. I still remember I still remember that this was

Unknown Speaker 7:36
to a tee. This was how I wanted my first podcast coach, I wanted to coach with Sam Crowley.

Unknown Speaker 7:45
You know, I that’s exactly how I treated me because I didn’t you know, she didn’t react the way that I wanted her to.

Unknown Speaker 7:52
And I recall feeling this way. At the same time. You know, it was during that time that I was feeling that way. I was like, You know what, this is? The I did I put it back on me I was like this, you know, she just was acting in the way that she thought was

Unknown Speaker 8:09
best for us and our family. And I had to I had to I had to go and understand that and so I let go of it. And, you know, eventually, you know, we agreed to go ahead and take the podcast coach, but that wasn’t before I became emotionally withdrawn, stop spending time. You know, with her, I was just generally unhappy right now, you know, I don’t know that I punished myself so much. I punished her and the family because of it. And that’s not fair. Right? That’s not fair.

Unknown Speaker 8:41
So, you know,

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Sreekumar Rao causes a very toxic cocktail. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. But you know, he goes the good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. Now, the first thing you’re thinking to yourself probably is that

Unknown Speaker 9:04
you’re going to give up all expectations, right? That’s what that’s just not possible. That’s just not possible. Everything. Every action you take, there’s that there’s expected outcome. You go to fry an egg, you expect it to fry right? The problem isn’t so much with the expectations as it is with the reaction to the outcomes. Now let’s just take a look and just say hey, look, you have a limited control over yourself really you do and you and then you have literally no control over the outcomes.

Unknown Speaker 9:42
I can’t really I mean, I can think of a million things right you even just like if you start off the day with a schedule events are planned and you think of even mike tyson is like everybody’s got a plan until you get punched in the face right.

Unknown Speaker 9:56
So whatever your outcome desired outcome is

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In the actions you start take towards that sometimes your day ends up, you know, just like I said, you start off your day with a plan and your day just ends up turning out completely different than you had thought that it might turn out.

Unknown Speaker 10:13
You know, so he says, Hey, you, you do something with the desired outcome of a more often than not, you get result B, C, D, E, or even f. So, if that’s all going on, how do I prevent, you know, the toxic feelings you might be asking? So one of the things that you can do is just accept whatever outcome occurs, right, then whatever it is, this is the outcome, that’s the outcome, there’s not a whole lot, you know, that you can tie your energy up with the the outcome, especially, you know, if it’s, if it didn’t happen the way you wanted it to, we’ll pocket I mean, there it is. You can’t change the past.

Unknown Speaker 10:52
Except whatever the outcome is, hopefully, you can do it cheerfully. You know, there it is, I knew it wasn’t what I was expecting. And he says better yet.

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If you can actually embrace the outcomes,

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I don’t know of any scenario.

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I can think of plenty of scenarios, actually, you know, I think about even being let go from Cisco a couple years ago, I

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felt like a weight the way the world was lifted off my shoulder, actually, I didn’t brace it, I was like, great, you know, now Now, this gives me time to kind of go fine and opens me up to go do something different, find what I really want to do, or just try something different.

Unknown Speaker 11:37
Total, totally unburdened by something. And then, you know, the idea is, just doesn’t mean you compromise your values, right? This doesn’t mean like you, you sit there and you watch injustice, go on, etc. And then I’ll throw this out there. As a side note, if you’ve never done a values exercise, you should check those out. And if you want to do one with me, reach out right reach out. Brandon at spiritual dope, co or hit me up on Facebook or Instagram. That’s something that you’re interested in. I think that I think it provides a lot of value if you go through it.

Unknown Speaker 12:15
Do the work, right. Good thing bad thing. Who knows? What’s the time around this one so far? Guys? 12 minutes, a little rushed through it. I want to get to a piece at the end here. That I think is gonna be beneficial to a couple people I had mentioned that I was going to be doing this one because people are looking for patience and how do you kind of you know, seriously let go and and not be so uptight and strung the fuck out. This is very helpful. Once you kind of begin to employ this practice in your own life, so it goes good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Any time that you have an outcome, you see an outcome, you assign it a label, you say hey, this is good or bad.

Unknown Speaker 12:59
There’s a little Sufi tale that he shares in the book and basically, you know, it’s uh,

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you know, a farmer

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loses his mayor. And, or stallion, whatever loses a horse. And people are like, Oh, that’s terrible. And you know, the old guy goes, that good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Next thing, you know, the horse comes back with, you know, 10 others, and he’s able to get them all locked in pretty well. And people are like, yeah, yeah, well, that’s good. He goes, good thing bad thing. Who knows? Then, you know, his son, you know, breaks, you know, get gets a horse horse tramples on his leg breaks his leg, you know, so he’s maimed and lame, can’t walk, you know, well for the rest of his life. And people go Oh, man, that’s what a shame when he goes out good thing bad thing knows. Well, the next thing that happens is that

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you know, the army is running around collecting soldiers, and they’re taking all of the able bodied men. Well, they can’t take his son because he’s got you know,

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can’t he’s got a lame leg. So you know, it goes on infinitum. Just in that way, you know, people like good thing and he’s again, good thing bad thing. Who knows? You don’t know what’s gonna happen and essentially, you know, take stock of your current life take stock of where you are right now. What do you have that you feel is good or bad? The question is, how can you be so certain that it is good or bad? Is it possible

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that you just don’t know right? Don’t know how this whole thing ends up. So

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I think is a you know better just to kind of accept kind of what’s there in front of you. So it gives, it gives an exercise, right? exercise of good thing bad thing recommends that you look back through your life. Look, the things that you once deemed as a bad thing

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has

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That thing in fact, over time become lemonade. He does recommend that you know, leave leaves the super painful shit alone, right? He doesn’t say I say like that. But he says a nicer leave the super painful shit alone. All right. But you know what what can you make lemonade out of what have you already made lemonade out of if you go back and you look over your life.

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Finally, not the last part in this chapter. But the last part I’m going to do for today. This is the surrender to the universe. exercise a little bit more than exercise. But essentially, most people believe it Where we at, again takes take a look back, right and see what kind of bad things have actually become good things. If we look over COVID, maybe something good has actually come out of that. If you look over jobs, good or bad, maybe something good has come out of that. And essentially, the stress in your life is caused by your reactions to not getting what you want.

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And you can eliminate like nearly all of this by surrendering it to universe and Sreekumar Hales This is one of the most powerful pieces in the book. And to be 100% honest with you.

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Two or three years had to go by and I’ve had to read, I’ve had to read two other books. Before I even caught just how powerful this was, in my own life. And in this book, but those two books that I’ve read, just to share is Hawkins surrender and

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Michael singer surrender experiment. I think those are really two good books that really go deep on surrender.

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So if you don’t get this concept immediately, if you pick up the book, and you don’t get it, then check out those two books. And I think it will help explain a little bit more. He says, and this is true, you know, if you can surrender to the universe, you will eliminate 90% of your stress.

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90%

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that’s nearly all of it. Right? That’s, that’s a lot, a lot. So, look, you’ve you’ve been led to believe your entire life, that surrender is for the weak. Listen, you’re not playing dead, you’re still setting your agenda for what you want to happen. What you’re giving up and what you’re surrendering?

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Are the predetermine expectations. So what do you do, you still take all of your actions with a clear understanding of what you would like to have happen.

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And this is a piece that maybe you haven’t done before, but you consciously whiz for benefit to all parties involved. Oh, everybody, every fucking buddy. All right, recognize your actions are only one possible way to achieve the outcomes. Right, you have a limited understanding of all the forces at play. What this makes me think of is, is like the Bible, right?

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scripture, I don’t even know where it comes from, or where the lines come from. But you know, he has ways which you don’t know of like then yet again, I always throw this out there. You don’t even know how you’re alive. How does DNA work? Nobody knows the exact specifics of how things work. So recognize that your actions are only one of the possible ways to achieve the outcomes that you’re looking for. And let go. I can like go go do what you’re trying to do. But then like go, right.

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Don’t go chasing it with like, extra attachment strings, just like all pull at you after what you’ve just done. So detach yourself from the outcome. accept whatever comes again, cheerful, if possible. And if it’s possible, to welcome the results wholeheartedly. Then your your perspective on them will be transformed. 100% right. It’s a whole new event. That’s that’s happening and unfolding right in front of you

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detaching yourself from the outcomes Sreekumar says is it’s it’s skill, like riding a bike. The primary reason you haven’t done it up until now, you hadn’t thought about you didn’t think it was possible. And this may be the first time that you’ve considered the possibility that you can detach yourself from the outcomes and let go of that fucking stress.

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Because you believe that the outcomes should be what dictates your reaction, right? You don’t get something you’re sad. You get something and you’re happy. And you also believe that the older you get, the less things go your way. Well, no, no, that’s great. This isn’t that’s not it, right actions are within your control.

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The outcomes are not however,

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reactions are within your control if you decide to seize control, and that’s, that’s going to take, that’s what’s going to take practice. That’s the skill you need to develop.

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And let’s see, I think that that’s going to close it for Oh, wait, yeah. So that was the process of surrender that need to go through. So surrendering to the universe, letting go of the outcomes, detaching yourself from the outcomes is really the key. key piece. Not really yes and no.

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Yes, like but it’s not detachment with everybody go fuck themselves kind of thing. It’s detachment with

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wishing a good intent to everybody involved. And I think that one is the difference maker in this whole thing. All right, guys. Stay tuned a little bit later this week, I will get the rest of chapter six out there. There’s still quite a bit more

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potent material. Probably a quick one after that, because we will do some exercises. A couple more exercises and just a few more pages to dig into here for you guys. Hopefully, you are enjoying Are you ready to succeed in the voice of spiritual dope, hopefully you’re enjoying everything that’s going on out there. This is 2021

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and it has literally already begun.

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