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Have you ever thought that something is missing in your life? Do you feel that you’re not quite alive with what you’re doing? You’re not alone, but it can certainly feel like you are. People like living and showing things they’re proud of and hiding away their shame, hurt, and frustrations. Choose the brighter and positive things to be happy, right?

But, here’s the hard truth: you need to accept everything about yourself, even the parts that you despise.

In this episode, we are joined by Deb Levine to talk about her journey into mediumship. She shares that when people are faced with messages from the Spirit World, they can discover their true, authentic selves. Deb also shares the importance of finding and reconnecting with your higher self.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about mediumship and how to live your authentic self!

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways mediums work and how they can help people discover their truths.
  2. Discover the importance of trusting yourself and living authentically.
  3. Learn how we’re all connected and how you can be a source of good to others.

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Episode Highlights

[02:19] Learn to Trust Yourself

  • Trust your soul because you won’t be able to get guidance and answers from anything external. 
  • Deb shares that her journey of self-trust is still ongoing. It’s a long journey and a process of continuous discovery. 
  • There are traits that we are proud of and some we are ashamed of. We need to learn to embrace our duality to become our true, authentic selves. 
  • Remember, you may be the problem, but you are also the solution.

[07:08] Deb’s Work as a Medium

  • Every medium works with energy, but mediums don’t work in the same way. 
  • Some mediums will be very factual, while some work intuitively. 
  • Deb shares that her work is more intuitive and helps people dig deep into their subconscious. 
  • Deb emphasizes that she does not heal people; she just guides them. 
  • Listen to the full episode to learn more about the intricacies of Deb’s Mediumship. 

[15:33] The Shift to Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her method is rooted in how she dealt with her anxiety and stress.
  • Before mediumship, Deb used to be in advertising and public relations. However, she jumped from job to job because nothing stuck with her. 
  • All she knew is that she wanted to help others, and her strength was relating to people. 
  • If you’re feeling a bit lost in life, be inspired by Deb’s journey to finding her true calling in the entire episode. 

[22:10] Managing Emotions and Energy

  • Deb shares that when she was younger, she felt many emotions and seemed to absorb energy from others. 
  • Eventually, this manifested as anxiety and ADHD in her life. 
  • Deb needed to learn how to grab hold of her energy and redirect it. 
  • Wanting to silence the noise and energy, Deb used to look for external sources like food and sweets. 
  • Tune in to the full episode to listen to Deb’s experiences and how she eventually learned to manage her energy. 

[38:17] Live Your Authentic Truth

  • For Deb, mediumship is a way of living her authentic truth. 
  • You don’t have to be something to be enough. You just need to live your highest self. 
  • Living your authentic truth may sound cliche, but you need to understand this on a deeper level. 
  • You also can’t help someone else be their authentic self. Their truth is theirs alone.

[42.49] Insights Into Mediumship

  • Deb shares that her job is not to impose anything on anyone. Her work is about being where her client is. 
  • Mediumship is not about the medium but the connection to the client. 
  • Deb can help people discover their truths by using the knowledge of the Spirit World. 
  • The experience is all about healing and hope. It’s not dark or fearful.  
  • We all have a connection to our higher selves; we just need to ignite it. 

[47:08] Be a Ripple of Goodness

  • Understand that we don’t live in isolation; we are all connected. 
  • People have their unique gifts, and that does not make them better than anyone else. 
  • Use your greatest gift to live authentically and passionately. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“The most important thing when I say to trust yourself, it’s really to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external.”

“The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self-development journey. It’s always changing.”

”Mediumship is not spirit communication or just intuitive mediumship; [it] is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life.”

“A mediumship session is not just spirit communication, but it can be. The medium has no control over the Spirit World, [which] knows what my client needs. It’s only going to be hopeful, helpful, or healing; there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful.”

“We’re all extensions of one another.  We really can support one another and be each other’s cheerleaders. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry is calling, there’s not one more special than the other.”

About Deb

Deb Levine is a medium and intuitive who connects with loved ones who have passed. Through her gift, she brings hopeful, helpful, and healing messages from the Spirit World to the physical world. She offers mediumship sessions through her website. This can include communicating with loved ones in Spirit or helping you gain insight on your past or current issues. 

Before her mediumship, Deb used to feel aimless jumping from job to job. Her previous works were not fulfilling, especially since she knew what she wanted to do: help people. Throughout adulthood, her gifts continued to unfold and appear in her life until she had no choice but to accept them.

You can reach out to Deb on Instagram, Facebook, or through email.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. We are on today with my friend, Deb Razar. And Deb, I don’t know if I’ve ever told you this, but um, you’re one of the main reasons actually, that I am doing this podcast, you were a kind of a catalyst for, you know, help me get the leap into spiritual dope, I’m just gonna let you know that just by doing kind of what you did, I said, that was a friend of mags from way back in the day, like childhood days, she’s an evidential, medium, and intuitive. She, you know, she helps people kind of like, connect with their loved ones who have passed. And I’m just kind of reading your bio off right now. And you know, you know, your calling is to serve the spirit world while bringing hopeful, helpful and healing messages. To me, you, your loved ones in the physical world. No, but your medium, right. And like it took you a while to just kind of accept your gifts. Right? And, you know, when you would share this coming out letter magazine, or virtually coming out letter, what’s this going to be about?

Deb Levine 1:09
Well, she told me what she thought it was about.

Unknown Speaker 1:11
Now, it’s not that

Deb Levine 1:13
there’s anything wrong with that, but it’s not bad,

Brandon Handley 1:15
per se. So this coming out letter was like, you know, I’m a medium coming out letter. And I thought that was a I thought that was kind of an entertaining thing. And then you had given me a reading that connected me with my grandfather. And, you know, the catalyst, just just so you know. He knows like, Yeah, I was like, well, you’re kind of like stepping out and doing this thing. And I was like, What the hell am I holding myself back for? Right? I was like, I was like, the time is now. And, you know, just kind of stepping into it. So you know, I want a quick, I’m gonna start this off with a thank you, you know, for helping be the catalyst inspiration and a part of the journey. So thank you,

Deb Razar 1:51
You’re quite welcome. Happy I could be a part of that.

Brandon Handley 1:54
And, and then I always start us off with something, this would be an easy one for you. I always start these off with, you know, source, as you know, divine energy speaks through us, right. And we are here to get today to speak to somebody who’s listening in on this podcast, right? And there’s a there’s a message that can only be delivered right now, through you to that person, what is that message today?

Deb Razar 2:19
The biggest, the first thing that comes to me is to really trust in yourself. If you don’t, first and foremost trust in yourself, especially in the field that I hate saying the field that I’m in, but with what I do, it’s impossible for me to trust in what I’m, you know, hearing subjectively, from the spirit world. And the most important thing, when I say to trust yourself, it’s to really, you know, they say there’s intuition, gut instinct, but it’s really to trust your soul to trust what your soul is telling you. Because that’s where all of the answers are, it’s not going to come from anything external. It’s not going to come from anybody else, you can ask for 50 opinions from 50 friends and family members. And really, ultimately, what matters is that you trust what your soul is telling you. That’s probably my biggest message.

Brandon Handley 3:06
So where do you feel like you You? First, finally learned to trust that for yourself?

Deb Levine 3:14
Well, it was definitely not an overnight thing, as I’m sure you know, because I know that you’ve done a lot of, I call it self development work. And I think we’re all works in progress. And I’m not done, I’ll never be done. I mean, until the day I physically leave this earth. But this was a long journey. For me, really, I say, on my website, sort of back to myself. Because the way I’m living now is very true to me, and very authentically, but it wasn’t always like that. So I think it was a process of really coming. I don’t I would say, coming to terms with but understanding that there’s a real duality to me to each of us. And there’s, you know, there are a lot of things that we don’t particularly care about ourselves, we, you know, traits that, Oh, I wish I wasn’t so stubborn, or I wish I wasn’t so, so messy in my case. And there were these qualities that I have that I would really shame myself for a variety of things you would a podcast isn’t long enough for me to tell you what I used to shame myself for. And then they’re there. The other part of that duality are the things that I’m proud of the parts of my personality that that I really feel good about that the things that I’m not afraid for others to see. I feel like a lot of us walk around and, and we show one side of us, we show the side that we think is safe, because we all just want to be seen. But yet if you think about it, we’re not truly being seen if we don’t really show who we are at the soul level, so I can show you something and make myself look good. And yeah, look at my kids. They’re all perfectly dressed. And my house is so neat, which it’s not this is just an example, but that may be what I’m presenting, but that may not be what is authentically me. And that was my that was my journey. If you will, that I needed to reconcile the fact that there were all these things that I really wasn’t happy with with myself. And instead of complaining about it, and or shaming myself about it, I realized I was the problem, but I was also the solution. And so in order to do something about it, I had to take that journey inward, which no one likes to do, because it is quite honestly the most uncomfortable journey ever. And that’s the journey back into ourselves. And it sounds super cheesy, but it’s, it’s really the truth, I had to come back to myself. And sort of, it’s almost like, if you picture like a big toy box, you open a toy box, and you kind of take everything out, you want to see what’s in there, I had to kind of assess and look at everything and say, Okay, these are the things that really aren’t working for me, or these are the things that, you know, they’re just sort of inherently a part of my nature. And I’m not in love with him. And I don’t love other people seeing them. But it was a matter of really accepting those things about myself forgiving myself for the things that the things that I wasn’t super jazzed about, but also realizing that all of those things that were more, I call them the shadow side. They were also there to teach me a lot of great lessons. And without them, you know, I wouldn’t really be able to focus on the light those qualities that were really helping me be my best self, they have to coexist, they can’t be mutually exclusive, because that is what makes up is my perspective only but that’s what makes up the soul. Both of those the balance that duality. And so that was my,

Brandon Handley 6:38
yeah, I’m with you. Right, the so I’ve got that jotted down for one second. You know what, I think that I don’t do the best job of this part. Right? Let’s let’s do let’s do a real quick from your from your mouth, right? Like you’re doing a medium, you are medium. Now, I’m a little bit more about kind of what you’re doing in this space, right, just so people kind of get an idea of your spiritual journey and spot right now.

Deb Levine 7:08
Well, thank you for asking that. Because I think a lot of people and as you said, I’m a medium I I’m able to connect with people that have passed, is that the only thing I do not remotely, in fact, it’s a very tiny part of what my mediumship is. Now, if you have 10 different mediums on your podcast, we are not all going to work the same way. Now what we what we all will work with is energy, every medium will tell you that. However, there are mediums that will be very, very factual, they’ll be able to sit and I’ll be able to tell you things about your grandfather, they’ll name 30 facts, you know, he was an atheist, and he you know, worked in a in a shipyard and all these things and, and that is to prove that that life exists once the there is the death of the physical body. So am I able to provide evidence that our loved ones still exist? past the death of the physical body? Yes, I am. But what my sessions are really about I had one client tell me it was almost like I held a mirror to her soul. I was like, Wow, that’s really deep. I almost call it like a very gentle soul excavation, if you will. Because what I’m doing is I work intuitively, if as much if not more, so then I’m working with spirit loved ones. And this has probably changed a lot. And I don’t I can’t remember our reading to be quite honest. But I feel like there may have been a mix, but now it’s even more. So when I’m reading a client intuitively, I’m telling them about their personality and things about their life. Yeah, you could say well, why would someone want to pay to be told things they already know about themselves. But that’s just how we start then we go deeper. And and I like to say I am not a fortune teller. I do not predict anyone’s future. That’s not what any medium really should be doing ethically and morally, we don’t know what holds for people’s future because there is freewill. You have the choice to make about your own life. But what I am able to do is to go deeper beneath your subconscious and sort of when I say excavate, gently pull out things that you are aware of, on some level, but on a deeper soul level when I’m showing them to you when I’m holding up that mirror. It’s taken in a much different way. I’m almost I’m I feel like a session with me can help bring someone back to themselves. I’m not doing any healing. I’m not healing people. I’m not you know, waving some kind of crystal wand. That’s that’s not my job. That’s not what I do. But with the spirit world facilitating with loved ones in spirit shining in now I talk about the loved ones personalities and the relationship between them and my client. And the healing that can take place when dad in spirit is talking about his personality and maybe challenges that he had when he was alive in the physical world. And dad son is facing something similar. It’s almost like this light bulb goes off that the messages that the loved ones in spirit are bringing to my client are those in that moment that are meant for my clients greatest good and soul’s highest purpose. And there’s a lot of growth and a lot of shift that can happen. It’s also I have on my website, I will not see clients unless there’s been six months in between each reading. Because look just like when you go to therapy, you’re not going to change overnight. I’m not a therapist, I’m not certified in any of that kind of thing. But even with a with a with a session with a medium like myself, what I’m presenting you is going to sit with you for a bit, and it’s going to cause you to sort of, you know, there’s a lot of self reflection that happens afterwards, there’s a lot of there is a lot of healing that can take place. But the healing is on the part of my client, I can’t do that work for someone. And maybe the client says, alright, well, that was okay. I’ll just take that for what it’s worth. And, and I may never hear from them again, I tend to have a lot of repeat clients. After six months, I always say six months to a year. And I just had I can think of three women I’ve had over the past week and a half. When they came on the screen on the zoom screen there, I could feel their energy had changed so much, it’s the best feeling for what I do, because I get so excited for them. Just the wholeness that I felt from them the shift, what they were emanating, I could feel that. And that’s the power of the work that that I have been called to do. And that I feel so grateful to do because the change that really can occur, it’s almost like I was given this blessing of having this torch, and we all have torches, right but some of us our lights gone dim a little bit, some of us the lights gone out, if I can just assist and help someone like their torch, it’s their job to keep that torch going, it’s not going to be my job. But the fact that I can help light someone back up again, there’s nothing greater to be able to offer to people. So that’s kind of in a long way. That’s kind of what I do at spirit communication. It’s intuitive work, it’s all combined to help my client get to a deeper part of themselves. Really.

Brandon Handley 12:10
Wow, that’s awesome, right? It’s kind of interesting, right? You said you started off with you know, how every medium is a little bit different. And in the image that came to my mind is you know, you just simply different lenses, right, simply different lenses, different perspectives different, you know, I’m thinking of like crystals and prisms even like different ways of refracting that energy. Right? So different way different ways of kind of refracting that love to the, you know, a mirror to the soul. And I think that that’s, you know, I don’t I don’t the term lightworkers not not my jam, but I guess this as close as I can get right.

Deb Razar 12:46
I don’t use the term either. But I yeah,

Brandon Handley 12:48
does that mean you know when you’re just kind of in circles and everybody’s you know, doing something similar as we are we’re you know, you are showing someone the light within them right themselves and helping to extract that and

Deb Levine 13:01
everybody has it. And I believe me, I know from experience, there are times when it is so hard to find that within yourself I have the reason I this all came smack dab in my face there were there were always I mean, this is who I’ve been since I’ve been a little kid. But the reason that this came out, as it did was because of the the difficulties that I had in the work I was doing with myself that there were serious anxiety and stresses and, and that brought me to where I am currently.

Brandon Handley 13:34
I think what’s interesting, too, right? A big part of what you’re talking about is, you know, you you you shoved your light down for so long, right and you you shoved your own light down so long. And then you talk about doing this shadow Shadow Work. And what’s funny is the more the more I think about the Disney Peter Pan, you know, the more the more I realized that like you know, you know how we lost a shadow. And then so back on like, I’m like, oh, wow, that was pretty potent stuff. Yeah. All right. But the idea of going back in and and accepting all of who you are, allows you to bring that authentic self that you’re talking about come out and share exactly who you are with everybody else and just kind of like it’s a it’s a more powerful but gentler way of being I would agree right? Um, and I also love the idea of like you know, once one you know so one session with you is basically a six month to a year value, right? It’s kind of I mean, you know, you know it to spend like you know value into that but that’s kind of what it is and then you bring it you know how and that’s how we open it up right like you helped me kind of bring me back to myself through the connection with my kind of grandfather and and by showing that like you know, you can just stop into who you are, and just go do your hell with it. I mean, what’s gonna happen? Right, exactly right. Yeah. And so you know, lots of stuff packed in there. And then you talk about, like, you know, the shift in energy. But I’d like to hear you kind of, again, where? Before you were doing media, and I don’t actually, I actually don’t know. So before you were doing medium work, what kind of work were you doing, like what was, you know, kind of paint the picture before stepping into that, and then illustrate maybe your shift and acceptance of who you are.

Deb Levine 15:32
Okay. So before all this, I mean, and I still am, I, I’m a mom. And I used to say, I’m just a mom. And now I’ve scribbled that word, just out with black sharpie, because that is, you know, from from parenting there, there’s never it’s not just a mom or just a dad, even I mean, it’s a parenting is, you know, and, and I parent with my full self, and I try to be as present as I can with my kids. My background, and where Meg and I went to college. My background is in advertising and public relations, I was always into creative writing, I really thought it’d be cool to be the next Amanda Woodward. Because you know, we were all into Melrose Place back then not that that’ll date me. But that was not a really practical thing, because you had to, you know, move to New York or LA, which I wasn’t prepared to do at the time. So I fled my East Coast roots and and came out to Arizona, and I ended up working in radio for about four and a half years. And I was on the sales side of things. So I was in advertising technically, but I was on the sales side of things. And my managers, this is funny, I two nicknames I was called at this is great at 23. Everyone would love to be called This Old Mother Hubbard. And I was called everyone’s conscience. I didn’t know whether or not to take that as an insult or a compliment. It’s just kind of funny. Now looking back on what I do, there was there was a lot of CD stuff happening in radio, a lot of my older men cheating. And it was just it was icky. And so here I was the young one in the group, I was one of the youngest. And they thought of me as their conscience, which I laugh now it sort of makes sense a bit. Not that I was an angel by any means. But it’s just kind of funny thinking about that. And then, you know, I wasn’t happy with what I did. In fact, I was I was the George Costanza of my office, my sister used to crack up because I would act all stress, and I have these deadlines, but I was really going into the coffee room because there was a copy room then. And I was photocopying off of the internet recipes from Epicurious and food.com. I kid you not when I was done in radio, I hope my bosses are my own bosses aren’t listening to this. I probably had a binder this thick. I’ve always been a cook and a baker. And baking has always been a passion. So I left radio and I went to Baking and Pastry school for a year I worked for a wholesale bakery. Then I started working for Jenny Craig, which everyone cracks up like, okay, at first, I’m making the baked goods and I’m helping people lose the weight. The takeaway from this is that I had no idea what I wanted to do. I had friends, childhood friends, people make nose, they were all successful. They worked for wall street, and they were pharmaceutical sales reps and occupational therapists, and they had these big jobs. And they made these big salaries. And I was going from job to job to job and I remember saying to my parents, I just don’t want to work at a desk in an office. And my dad said, what does that mean? You want to be a plumber? And I’m like, No, I just I want to help people. And I just want to do something that feels good. And you know, I was just like living on another planet. I had no attention span for anything. Every job I was bored, instantly. pastry school I loved but I didn’t love baking for somebody else. And right at the end of my reign at Jenny Craig, I was I was a program director, I did sales, I love the emotional part of that I dealt with, you know, I was overweight on and off throughout my life. So to work with people like that one on one, it really it felt like I was giving back in some way. And then at the end of that I quit a week before I had my daughter, and I haven’t been back in the quote unquote, workforce, the real workforce. Um, you know, I started working for myself. So

what I realized was, I was floating around because nothing stuck with me. And you know, like a lot of people do. That doesn’t mean that everybody’s a medium because you can’t find what you want. But I just knew that I wasn’t the kind of person that cared a lot about making money, and I wish I had been is maybe I would have, you know, found some big career and stuck with it. But I always I just want to do something that you know, where I feel good about what I do, where I feel like it’s really making a difference. And you know, it’s so cheesy to say that because so many people say and I was young when I said it, but I would get into something. In radio, for example, they gave me the difficult clients, the ones that had were going through divorce, the ones that someone had died, I made the least amount of money I was the least paying sales rep and some of these sales reps made well into the six figures. I was making nothing but I’ve been on the phone for hours with my clients and oh, they’re breaking up with the boyfriend. They’re going to talk to Deb and we’ll get another deal out of it because they trusted me My strength I suck at sales. I hate asking people for money. It’s so uncomfortable for me. But what I don’t second is relating to people. I’ve always always always related with people my first job when I moved to Arizona three weeks I work for enterprise rent a car. Sorry, enterprise rent a car. crappiest job I’ve ever had will pick you up. You know, that was the phrase. And here I am. It’s 115 in Arizona. If forget about the dry heat, it’s freaking hot. And I’m wearing I had to wear a suit with pantyhose. No laughs It was so awful. I was sweating. But the people I picked up by the end, they became my friends to the point where after three weeks, the last lady I picked up. She said, You’re here this dynamic personality, what are you doing driving for enterprise, she said, We need someone in our events marketing. Here’s my card, call me I’m gonna get you an interview. And I thought, well, she’s not going to remember she did. And a week later, I was working for her company as an event planner. So I just kept jumping job to job to job The only thing consistent was that I love relating to people. I’ve always loved it. So it makes sense. My medium should make sense because not only my relating to my clients, but I’m also relating to their loved ones in spirit who are still people just people not in the physical sense. So they have stories to tell. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Not non corporeal presence, right? Yeah. Yeah. So So. Right, I love I love that, you know, kind of hopping around, nothing kind of fits. I love the idea of the and I love cooking too. And here’s how I relate to kind of being in the kitchen. You’re, you’re connected to like a creative source. And that’s for sure you’re in the creation process during Yeah, so you’re, you’re, you have to be all in. Yeah, when you’re cooking, because otherwise it falls apart. Right. So you have to pay attention. That’s one of the things I haven’t cooked in a while. And I’ve kind of missed that, because of that. So, you know, when is the point where, you know, accept the shift into your medium, ship your gifts and say, You know what, it’s now’s the time to make a go of this thing.

Deb Levine 22:10
You know, it was kind of like the I often I think a lot of people have to get to what, you know, they call it the dark night of the soul. It’s so dramatic. But I never know what that meant, until I really felt like I was there. And I say that, obviously, with the caveat that that’s different for everyone. I mean, there are people that have really lived through severe tragedy. I have not lived through any kind of tragedy like that. But for my own world, what I was dealing with my anxiety, which I’ve had since I was a little kid, which what’s fascinating is and all of these mediumship courses and workshops and and groups that I’m I’ve been in and still a part of, I don’t know that I’ve met one medium that has not had anxiety or or does not have, you know, chronic anxiety. Whether it’s social anxiety, whether it’s because when you’re feeling all of the emotions, and you have other people and what I didn’t know how to deal with energy. At that time, I didn’t know that I didn’t need to take on everyone’s energy that was around me in a room. And why was I feeling so sad? Why am I depressed? I didn’t realize that I was picking that up from, you know, someone in my college class that I was sitting next to all the time. I didn’t have knowledge of that then. But what happened was, it really all came to a head for me when my grandmother who was one of my dearest friends, she died at 102. And I felt her Well, I mean, there were a lot of things that have been building up to it. But my anxiety had taken on legs right around the time when she died. And after she died. It was to the point where it didn’t just feel like regular anxiety anymore. So I’ve been in and out of therapy for years. Just you know, because it’s been very helpful. I’ve had a sister that’s been ill. So I was always in therapy for one thing or another. And my therapist who I really love and trust, my anxiety was just an awesome I remember her telling me She’s like, yep, I was like, there’s a mile a minute and she’s like, just take a pause and breathe. And she made me take a couple breaths just to kind of slow down and she said while I’m breathing, she’s running around behind me and her filing cabinet and she pulls out this like pamphlet of paper stapled in the corner. And she hands it to me and she starts talking and I’m not really listening to her because I can never do two things at once and this kind of explained why and I’m going through it I didn’t even read the top I just there were all these questions and asked you to rate yourself on a zero meaning on the low end to a to attend. And everything was an eight or a nine there. Oh, I can’t I can’t remember I’m having a heart You know, having a hard time finishing a project or getting sidetracked very easily like it when someone’s talking to you not being able to focus or or becoming too focused spending too much time on one thing. And I’m like, Well, I’m like, Why are you giving me and we know I have anxiety? And and then she said, That’s not an assessment for anxiety. It’s an assessment for ADHD. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 25:11
What are you talking about? Well is

Deb Levine 25:12
ADHD? I mean, I would have like that’s something that kids have, you know, when it well come to find out that one of the most Miss diagnosed group of people with ADHD are women in their mid 40s. Because what happens is forgetfulness, that was nothing like memory, that can be hormones, you know, perimenopausal which I am not sorry for the TMI, but it can be hormones, it can be all these things. And interestingly enough, anxiety is a, what’s the word I want? is a culprit if you will have ADHD. So it’s almost like what comes first the chicken or the egg, the anxiety happens because of the attention deficit, hyper focus disorder. So in children, that h is hyperactive, in adults, it’s height for me, it’s hyper focus. So I was I was going to bed at four o’clock in the morning. Okay, I’m on my laptop, because I’d seen a woman This is a true story with a cute pair of shoes. And I said, Where do you find them? I don’t know. I got them six years ago. Oh, damned if I wasn’t gonna find that pair of shoes. I can tell you. I’m online. I’m gonna find those shoes. Meanwhile, I’ve got the Real Housewives of some city on TV. I’m eating chocolate constantly eating chocolate because I had a problem with sugar. I could not get enough sugar. Well, then it was explained. Of course, you couldn’t get enough sugar, because what your brain is missing is that serotonin release. And that’s what sugar gives you. My other love. In addition to baking and eating chocolate is exercise and fitness. I’ve been into weightlifting. Since I was 17 and intense workouts. I was into CrossFit. All that. Well. That’s another thing that’s going to produce the serotonin and the dopamine release in my brain. So all of a sudden, everything sort of started to make sense. Now, I don’t like to use this as Oh, well, I have ADHD. So my house is a mess. I mean, my house is a mess. And maybe it’s partly my ADHD maybe it’s just because I didn’t feel like cleaning it. But what I want people to know and I was in I think, you know, I was in a documentary on Amazon Prime with with one of my mentors amazing medium Suzanne Wilson. She’s known as the carefree medium

Brandon Handley 27:17
with the documentary.

Deb Levine 27:19
It the series is called life to afterlife by Craig McMahon is the producer. And there’s there’s several in that series and the one I’m in I hate the title, though. Sorry, Craig. It’s really cringy it’s, I want to speak to the dead. It’s a little sensationalized, because it’s not like that the documentary is not like that. I did not set out because I wanted to try to speak to the dead. I couldn’t help it. So I’m just tossing that out there. But

Brandon Handley 27:43
real quick, one of the things that I that I find interesting, right is this relationship to the anxiety and the energy field and the mediums and it’s interesting how you kind of tell tell it is, you know, you weren’t aware of a way to kind of grab hold of the energy, protect yourself and redirect the energy that was coming through you. Right, right. And I hate to do that, but I always liken it to like, these, like old kung fu master flicks, right. You know, or even like, you know, the, you know, you know, the teacher will appear when the student is ready.

Deb Razar 28:18
I love that. I

Brandon Handley 28:18
love that. But it so happens, right? So, so happens, then you My guess is at some point, you know, you run into a teacher, you have some conversations, and you’re like, how do you know so much about what I’m going through? Yep. Tell me exactly. Yeah, tell me.

Deb Levine 28:36
So what I was going to tell you about about the the documentary, The reason I brought it up is because when Suzanne approached me to participate in it, I said to myself, I’m going to do this, but I’m going to make sure that everything I say is my truth. And then I’m completely authentic. Craig did a great job with the with the editing, because on my hands, I’m all over the place that you know, I’m affiliate girl, that’s how we talk with our hands. But I did speak about my ADHD on there, and I would I had some people that’s Oh, you don’t want to divulge that and people are gonna judge you. Number one, I’m not concerned about being judged anymore at all. And that that is a true statement.

Brandon Handley 29:15
And that’s what I mean, right? Like, I mean, how liberating is

Deb Levine 29:18
so liberating. You don’t? I mean, it’s amazing. But more importantly, I needed to speak my truth. Because if one person heard me and felt like this, again, everything I say feel like is so cliche, but if I can help one person, but it’s true, and I’ve actually had so many people reach out to me randomly on Facebook Messenger saying, I really connected to you, because I also you know, I thought that I was just really unmotivated or really lazy or and it doesn’t mean that every person that reached out to me feels like they’re a medium. This is only a part of my own personal journey. But I it upsets me that there is a stigma and for children as well. This is something that never popped up in My, in my childhood, maybe it was there in subtle ways. I mean, I was a good student, but I had to, like I had to be in a room with no noise. Like I had friends who could study with music on and talking, I needed to total quiet otherwise my mind was listening and taking in everything around me. But I also need to express that I don’t define myself like, Oh, I’m an adult with ADHD, it’s one little bit of me and I actually have a mentor that thinks that I really may not have it, that it might be just sort of all the other things in my life that that were were big stressors. And maybe that’s true, too, you know,

Brandon Handley 30:37
so so here’s the thing that, you know, I’ll you know, if you don’t mind, I’ll share my take on this now, right. Like, I mean, we were raised to be distracted. I mean, look at all the different courses, I mean, that we had to take, right look at, you know, the television programming, 20 minute blocks, you know, or 10 to 15 minute blocks, and then, you know, six minutes of 32nd commercials, we were trained to be fucking confused and D rains. Right. And so here’s the result. And, and, you know, so the reason, my reason for saying that, you know, you don’t have an attention to or like you’re hyper active or whatever deficit because that’s, it worked. The training worked, which is which is which is, you know, which brings us back to, you know, reconnecting with yourself, which is what you’ve done,

Deb Levine 31:28
and you literally just touched on something because as you were saying that he like this light bulb bulb went off and it was gonna bring me back around to the point where you use the word distracting, like there have always been so many distractions. And for me, what my distractions were whether they were connected to ADHD or not, I needed at that heightened point of anxiety I needed my distractions where I’ve never been a drinker. It’s chocolate lit like food, it specifically sweets, and I would binge on chocolate, and then I would go into a shame spiral about it. But what the chocolate was doing I was numbing everything I did the online shopping the watching too much reality TV, having it all at once. It was a way to quiet the noise. Now remember, I’m a medium. So there was all this noise, this energy coming from everywhere. Think about it. How is that going to? How is that going to silence it? I didn’t know what I was dealing with. So I use every external source it’s a good thing. I don’t like alcohol and I’ve never been into drugs because I probably would be you know in a right now. I’m not making fun of that. But I’m being serious.

Brandon Handley 32:31
No, that’d be a definitely be. Just another another thing to pile on top. Yeah. Did you ever try a foil helmet?

Deb Razar 32:43
Or being here is

Brandon Handley 32:44
semi facetious, right, like but I mean, if you if you you know the Gerrish I put on like a foil helmet to stop, like, all the noises right now. And when I don’t, okay, you know, like, I mean, honestly, like, I mean, if, like, you know, if, again, if I’m, if I’m having all these things happen, I’m just thinking, like, you know, I could see myself actually doing that at some point, especially like, if all these noises are always coming through, and I don’t have a teacher, I don’t have a guide. We didn’t get that in fifth grade. We got, you know, we got phys ed and other things, but we didn’t, we didn’t we didn’t we didn’t train it, you know,

Deb Razar 33:15
to the disease.

Brandon Handley 33:17
You know, that wasn’t an option. Right. All right. So so i would i would literally probably see myself putting putting try trying it right. How do I how do I quiet it?

Deb Levine 33:26
Well, here’s the thing is that when I say all the noise and the distraction at this particular time, it was I wasn’t hearing from spirit people. I it was, it was the energy, it was the emotion it was I was like a sponge. And it’s a lot to be a sponge for everybody else. And I’ve been this way since I was a little kid, if if someone in my family was having a bad day, I was feeling the bad day, which is probably why I ended up in therapy. Each time my sister had cancer, she never complained. She was a warrior. But I is like, I wanted to take all of that on. And I think in a way energetically I did and and so I was, you know, super, super low. And look, there’s always going to be stuff, there’s always going to be stuff happening around. when I really started hearing from the spirit world when I say that now there are mediums that hear objectively, meaning, you know, oh, I hear voices in my head. I don’t hear voices in my head. Just to clarify, and I’m not saying this to joke because they’re mediums that objectively hear like your grandfather in the spirit world. They might say like, I see your grandfather behind your right shoulder. That is not how it’s come for me. Now. The beauty of mediumship is that it’s a self development journey. It’s always changing always. So may I eventually at some point, see someone’s loved one sitting next to them. I may but as of right now, the way I say it is it’s like a picture in my mind’s eye if I asked you right now, to remember your favorite scenes from your favorite movie, and like play it in your mind like it’s a real you could see right you could see the people what they’re doing. You could even hear your favorite line even though you’re not hearing it being played in your ear. So when I explain that I see an eye here that is subjectively, okay, that’s really important. So it wasn’t that I was I was being bombarded by like, Hey, can you get a hold of my nephew? And hey, can you get a hold of my daughter of it? Because that would that would really drive someone crazy probably. And there is a huge stigma that we’re all nuts, right? I mean, it was like, you know, I should have come on with the headscarf and, and the others patolli everywhere around me and I just burned my Sage actually did burn a little sage, I do like sage. And there’s nothing wrong with petroleum headscarves, and all those things. But the point is, and yes, I’m holding a crystal because my holy and crystal grounds me like I tend to be like very up here. And so it grounds me whenever I am, whenever I need to discuss or when I’m in a reading I typically will hold will hold some form of stone. But there is no one size fits all for mediums. I mean, a lot of people think of mediums they think of the Long Island medium, Theresa Caputo, she’s a character with the long nails and she’s got like a stick I call it she got the blonde hair and

Unknown Speaker 36:00
but

Deb Levine 36:00
the sad thing is, that probably detracts from the fact that she really does, you know, hear from people’s loved ones. But there’s not a one size fits all, we don’t all look a certain way, if you saw me on the street, you just feel like, oh, there’s some, you know, middle aged woman with two kids and you know, living her life. It’s not like, you know, my walk around, like with this, and I have, you know, scarves all around me, I just think there, there are lots of stigmas. You know, my add was a soup, I feel like I had to sort of rebel against all the stigmas, if you will, especially now.

Brandon Handley 36:31
Well, I mean, again, you just had to, you had to go in, see who you were for yourself, and make the decision to accept yourself as you are for who you are, and roll with it. Right? Yeah, kind of step into that and, and share yourself with others, which is we know, kind of what you’re doing with the soul wisdom, right on your website is what you’re doing with offering readings. And so that was a big part of this podcast is, you know, talk about, I guess, you know, kind of merging all of who you are your spiritual self with the material world writer, you know, bringing that out, like, I mean, one of the one of the other things that you hit on too is like, you know, we’ve got these two separate selves. And I always think of like, you know, the matrix, right, there’s, you know, Mr. Neo, you one life, you’re blah, blah, blah, this one guy and this other person, and that’s so true. Right? So how do you, you know, how do you feel like you have merged the two? And, you know, what’s your life been like, because of that.

Deb Razar 37:38
So when you say, how have I merged my mediumship? With now that, that it’s a technically a business as well? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:45
sure. Sure. Well, I mean, right. But that’s, but that’s also just, that’s another stigma, right? Like, that’s just something that you don’t want to because you’re like, this is helping people category, right? You don’t want to you don’t want to, like be like, but it is right. It’s just, and it’s just, it’s, again, we wanted to we just want to be ourselves, right? Without, right without classify or label it. But like, exactly those labels, unfortunately, hopefully, other people what. It’s hard, it’s hard to put yourself on the map if you don’t share the map.

Deb Levine 38:17
It’s true. It’s true. And I, I think what had to happen for me was that once I really decided, and it wasn’t choice that I was going to live, to really live my authentic truth in every facet of my life. You know, I have a mentor that says mediumship is not spirit communication, or just intuitive mediumship is, is, is our life. I mean, being a medium is being alive. And being alive means being, if, if I really want to do my soul’s work, as a natural medium, I have to work my mediumship the way I work my life. And what I’ve decided to do, again, this is just I’m one person, you could ask 10 different mediums, they’d say different things, I have to show up every day, as myself, again, I said flaws and all that, that whole duality, because what I’m able to do then is is hopefully, especially in a session with me, allow other people to see that it’s okay to show up as yourself. You don’t have to be X, Y or Z to be enough. And again, everything I say is written in every book everywhere. You know, we are enough as we as we are and I you know, I used to hear they go oh yeah, I’m enough as I am, whatever. But if I were only skinnier and apparently had more, you know, this that

Brandon Handley 39:38
shirt No, you’re right, right. It is all in these books. And it is a number of these things. But it’s a it’s a different level of understanding. right there’s, there’s there’s the literal understanding, and there’s the outward facing physical application of this shit, right? You’re like, Oh, I’m enough. Yeah, I showed up for work and I sharpen 72 pencils, whatever. Right, I’m going off gay, but like, you’re the I’m enough is like, you know, that’s the inner work that you’re talking about it most

Deb Razar 40:07
important work,

Brandon Handley 40:08
right? It’s it’s the, you know, the, the, you know, the most neglected. Right. Yeah, yeah. And then and then different levels of understanding, right? Because not for nothing, you know, four years ago, you know, if you’d said that this is what I’d be doing or any of this stuff, I would have laughed at you.

Deb Razar 40:27
Me to me? Yeah, yeah, I get that. So, go ahead. No, I

Brandon Handley 40:32
mean, just I mean, that’s, it sounds cliche, right, only because it’s real, unless you’ve experienced it subjectively, because you cannot, unfortunately, have somebody else’s experiences for them, like you were talking about earlier. You know, you can’t do the work for somebody else. Now. You can’t show up inside of someone else for them.

Deb Levine 40:57
Now, you can. No, but what I think what I think did it for me, you know, when I first like when I could not turn off the gifts when I was getting all this information about people that had passed, for people that I even like sort of knew, but didn’t really No, I mean, it’s it’s funny, and Magnus is, I’ve gotten in touch with some some people that I’ve known since childhood that we’ve known since childhood, because their loved ones came to me and I, I was pretty proud of myself for having the coneys to reach out and say, Look, I know I haven’t seen you in 2030 years. But hey, I’m able to communicate with the dead and I’ve got your wife or your dad or whomever with me, that for me, took not staying small anymore, because oh no, what are they gonna think they’re gonna think I’m weird. I didn’t care. I didn’t care what they thought, because if I knew that their loved ones had an important message for them to receive. Now this is before i was i was i really sort of had honed what I’m doing because there is ethics and morals. Although we don’t take the Hippocratic oath. We don’t. We’re not therapists, we’re not doctors, but it is so critical to have ethics and morals in in what I do. Because people are trusting me. I mean, when you when you have a session with me, it’s almost like I say like, you know, you can try to bullshit your therapist. I’ve tried that once or twice. And we want to sort of show our therapist like the good side, which you can’t get help that way. But still, it’s been done, people kind of try to BS, the therapist, when you’re coming with me, it’s almost like we’re now we’ve now been, it’s like having seen your therapist for seven years. Because all of a sudden Our relationship is like boom, because you can’t, you’re not going to be able to, to show me something that isn’t true, because I am an intuitive. So I’m going to know that it’s not true. Now I also my job is also to tread lightly. If I know that someone, someone can’t take the information that I’m about to give that, or they’re not ready to hear it.

Unknown Speaker 42:48
Hi, buddy.

Deb Levine 42:49
How are you? It’s so good to see you. I got to chat with him after. If I am. My job as the medium is to be able to gauge whether or not my client is really ready for this gentle soul excavation, I will never force on someone shoved that mirror up to your face. That’s the job of the medium. And there can be ego involved. And there is is zero place. I had a mentor say the first two letters and medium don’t belong there. Because this is not about me, this is not like a look at the pony trick I can do. I’m not doing anything I am being I am being my authentic self, the channel, if you will. I’m a conduit as a better word for it. And my job is to be open to not impose any judgment to not impose any meaning. And to listen to what the loved ones in spirit have to say, to make sure that my client receives what they need. When I first started this when I first started my development, I was so excited about my own experience. This is so cool. Oh my god, that guy just told me where his ashes were. And the wife just said, No one knows that. And was I patting myself on the back. But no, but I was like, This is the coolest thing ever. Oh my gosh, how is this happening? But guess what the experience is not for me. It’s not about me, I have nothing to do with this. Once I got over that that initial excitement. It’s why my mediumship changed. It’s why my my sessions are not merely spirit, contact communication, where I’m just giving a lot of evidence. Because what happened was when I really went in and did that soul work on myself, when I really learned to accept being in my truth. I could then accept this the truth of the Spirit people had for their loved ones. And I could help then my client discover if they hadn’t already their own truth. That’s the only way it’s that triad of energy. And that was when it almost came full circle. It wasn’t just like, this is so awesome. I’m talking to people that aren’t alive anymore. But yet I knew all these things. That’s not what this is about. This is so much deeper and there can be so much healing and soul work done. A medium ship session, if your listeners take nothing away, it is not just spirit communication it can be. And if you are, if you have a loved one that you’re really hoping to hear from, I, the medium has no control over that the spirit world knows what my client needs. In that moment, as I said, for their soul’s highest purpose and greatest good, they know, it’s only going to be hopeful, helpful or healing, there’s nothing else that it’s not dark or fearful. I don’t there’s no fear around what I do I have the utmost respect for this

Brandon Handley 45:31
calling, if you will. So I mean, it’s almost not almost I mean, you are tuning into that connection as a medium for your clients to, you know, pull that in through the universe. And, you know, if you’ve got your ego involved with it, there’s it’s almost like you’re attaining the water or near the source, right? And then, as you do this mediumship connecting the source, you know, and and, you know, translating it right into words, for for, for for the person who’s there, your client, essentially, you’re reconnecting them the source, right?

Deb Razar 46:12
It Well, except, if you look at it this way, again, just my perspective. We all have the connection to source because it’s within us, right? Yeah. So if they’ve lost that connection,

Brandon Handley 46:23
it’s kind of like, you know, I don’t know what a jumpstart right for your heart, right?

Deb Razar 46:28
jumper kit, your jumper cables for a car even? Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 46:31
yeah, that’s exactly,

Unknown Speaker 46:32
yeah, yeah, your batteries there. It’s just like, drained or neglected, or

Deb Razar 46:36
a great way of putting it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Right. And so that’s, I mean, that’s awesome. Right. And again, the, the, the experience I had with you was, was amazing, always grateful for that. And, you know, I think, you know, I know, I was on my way as I was just doing some things that but I wasn’t doing them in 100% authentic manner, and in a way that I was still masking myself, right, and what you did kind of allow me to just obliterate the mask and say, fuck, let’s go for it. And

Deb Levine 47:08
that’s the greatest thing I could hear, by the way from, from someone that I’ve worked with, because, and I’ve told you this before, because it’s all the ripple, we all have that ability to give back you are doing, you are really doing so much good. You have that energy about you where you’re so curious, you’re just so open you you want people, you want an understanding, and you really get excited, and you want that understanding to be shared among other people. So the fact that I was able to kind of give you that little spark, look what you’re doing now for so many other people. So that’s what I love, we are really all connected. Again, I’m gonna sound super cheesy. But if we can see each other as that we’re all extensions of one another and not look at each other as like, Oh, you have that I want that. And it’s not about that. I mean, we really can be support for one another and be each other’s cheerleader. No matter what we do, no matter what business industry calling, there’s not one more special than the other what gifts someone has, when someone comes to me, if their gift is there, an electrician, and they’re they’re so good at and they’re helping, you know, out here, let me tell you in Arizona, your AC goes out your host in the summer, right, it’s 117 degrees, that someone’s gift, and so long as they’re living authentically, they’re living their truth, they’re passionate about it. If I can help spark that in other people, then as I used to say, like, I just want a job where I can help people that I really feel like I’m getting to live my very fullest life in that sense. And that is, that’s really the greatest gift that I’ve ever been given through all the shitstorm that i’ve you know, kind of had to get past to get to this point. Every bit of it was worth it to be right here.

Brandon Handley 48:47
Well, you know, some people never get to that point, right? It’s not about how long it takes you to get to do get there. Right. And and, you know, Meg and I certainly have the conversations where I believe that more people get there than not it’s just males out there there’s well there’s not an understanding of where they are because of the Western you know, kind of mindset and it’s like oh shit, I’m I’m gonna need like Percocet I’m gonna I’m gonna need a whatever this that whatever’s going on here has got to be shoved right back let’s

Deb Levine 49:19
commit let’s do whatever we can let’s find ways to numb it and to not to feeling the pain no one look it doesn’t feel good to feel pain whether it’s emotional pain or physical pain we all as human beings want that. Whenever pain starts, what can I do to stop it?

Brandon Handley 49:36
Why would you so I mean what I’m looking at those isn’t isn’t pain. It’s that that this reignition of source and energy and feeling it kind of like you were feeling it all coming from everywhere and and not knowing what it is but since you don’t know what it is being fearful of it and trying to block it all out. Right. So yeah, keeping yourself disconnected from source and

Deb Razar 50:00
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:01
Right. But but but simply just because of all the stigmas and all this other stuff anywho that’s not what you do what you do is help people connect to that, which is already there, show them kind of like their own inner hidden city of glory or whatever right and

Deb Razar 50:18
I need you to write my website and

Brandon Handley 50:22
so you know, you help people you map it out or at least you know, show it so that it is possible and you’re doing this on the soul wisdom calm. And then you know, tell us a little bit more at least know what’s offered on the soul wisdom calm and is that the only place they can connect with you? Where should they go if they want to connect with you.

Deb Levine 50:42
It’s vessel ism, th e Sol, s o ul wisdom, calm all one word that is the best place, there’s a way to email me directly from Matt, it has my business number is on there as well. It’s interesting, but as I’ve developed, I’ve whittled down my website was pretty small to begin with. And I’ve whittled it down because I used to have a medium ship offering a mediumship session and an in and an intuitive only session. So if someone was not interested in hearing from loved ones in spirit, they just had like, they’ve got life issues, they’ve got things on their path, they really want to get into the meat of I took that away, because what I realized was, if someone’s coming to work with me, they have to have some sort of trust with me off the bat. as of lately, I mean, I don’t market myself, it’s all been referral. I mean, thanks for the documentary with Suzanne Wilson really was a big help. This I was on your friend, Mona Lauren’s podcast. That was that was a help. But other than that, there’s not really a way that people hear about me. So typically, they’ve heard from a friend or a loved one. So they come with sort of a sense of trust. If they’re coming to me with that sense of trust, they have to trust me, but more so they have to trust the spirit world. Because I my hope is that my clients come the best way to get the most depth out of a session is to come as open as possible. Because if you’re open, then you are going to receive what it is that you need, which I can’t know because I don’t know my clients before I work with them. They’re strangers to me, we leave usually as friends, but they always start out as someone I’ve never met. I don’t like to know anything about the people I work with. If they’re open, now, I just say I offer a mediumship session a mediumship session, which is what I was saying earlier is not just talking to dead people, a mediumship session is talking to the dead but it’s also intuitive information. Is it more one and less of another? It may be we never know because it’s different every time could I call

Brandon Handley 52:36
it like continuation of energy instead of the dead right like I mean yes it’s really I mean it’s not dead

Deb Razar 52:44
Yeah, there is no there there is a there is no Yeah,

Brandon Handley 52:46
yeah so so I mean just energy continuation of my grandfather. Dead does

Deb Levine 52:53
sound It sounds very harsh. There are people that say well, dead is meaning like the physical bodies die but I call I really call them spirit people because their their spirit hasn’t gone anywhere the essence of who they are that that is still very much alive. So on my website again, it’s it’s it’s very it’s slim. That’s my offering. I am and I had changes to I do have I am certified in sound healing. And for a while I was offering sound healings, then COVID hit and it’s possible. I’ve done sound healings over what do you call it Facebook Live, you know, just work like private Facebook Live groups. But I find that I use a gong and I use a crystal singing bowl and I’ve got a rain stick and I’ve got a wave drum. What I find is my sound healing is really an extension of my mediumship. So that’s a whole story for another podcast but sound

Brandon Handley 53:44
so so that’s I mean, that’s that’s a basically a part of your offering, right part of the suffering. It’s

Deb Razar 53:49
not on the website anymore. I took it off.

Brandon Handley 53:51
Well, I mean, let’s say that you and I are talking and intuitively. You’re like you know what? You need some noise, bro.

Deb Razar 53:59
Yes, I need some noise. I gotta get that gong out for you. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:03
no. So real quick, so I’m just gonna I’m gonna wind it down here Devin, you and I can keep talking right so everybody you know go to the soul wisdom.com checkout and see what she has offer there. My Instagram You

Deb Razar 54:16
mean to tell you that sir. Instagram is so wisdom. So wisdom easy. Yes. Thank you. Thank you for that. You

Brandon Handley 54:24
know what I was always saying like so was the MAS or something like that. But it’s so wisdom a wisdom AZ so

Deb Razar 54:30
wisdom was taken so AZ I’m in Arizona, so

Brandon Handley 54:32
that’s where they’re not sure. Yeah, that makes sense. No, sorry to interrupt. No, you’re good. You’re good. So you’ll connect back with it. This is something that you’re more interested in. I’ll have links also in the podcast notes.

Deb Razar 54:49
I appreciate you having me on. It was fun.

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Can you awaken yourself while playing with a Ouija board?

Stranger things have happened!

Join me today as I explore the role that spirituality has played in the life of Mona Loring.

Founder of the following:

Mona founded MLC PR, a boutique public relations firm specializing in tailored publicity services. MLC PR maintains a  broad spectrum of clientele ranging from award-winning TV, film and  Broadway actors; musicians and record labels and more.

Mona launched Conscious Living simply due to my own personal passion for the mind, body and spirit connection. There was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press and manage the brands and individuals within them properly. 

In addition Mona has her own holistic life coaching practice integrated with shamanic healing.

Where to connect with Mona:

https://www.conscioushealingco.com/

https://www.instagram.com/healingbymona/

http://www.consciouslivingpr.com/

http://www.instagram.com/consciouslivingpr

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  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:01Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:00:14Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:00:33The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:00:37I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:00:45And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:01:01Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:01:06As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:01:25Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:01:29And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:01:40And you always you always hear people say, well, you got to change the I got to to I get to but you gotta change. Yeah, go to school, I get to so
  • 00:01:49Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:01:52Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:02:01Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:02:08I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:02:25That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:02:30I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:02:39Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:02:43The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • 00:02:58That’s like the best time so I’m gonna go with that one.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:01Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:03:11Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:14I’ll celebrate those a spiritual high for sure. So here’s the premise. Right. The show’s premise podcast premise, whatever you want to call it.
  • 00:03:23Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:03:39And to be okay.
  • 00:03:40You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:03:53I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:03:58Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:16Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:04:26You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:04:34Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:04:44I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:04:57And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:05:02Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:05:13Keeping the job. And that’s how I actually started publicity. So it started from day one out of the norm. And when I track it back. I can literally just like look at the lines.
  • 00:05:24That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:05:32Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:05:36Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:05:46Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:05:49He felt like I was BS in him because he was like, how do you know the answer to how you would do this when you’re telling me honestly that you’ve only done PR for six months and you’re painting your publicist, but you’re and I’m like,
  • 00:06:02I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:06:16And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:06:27If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:06:31And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:06:38I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:06:47Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:07:00You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:07:08Letting go of these people that she’s worked on for so long and they’re finally at this level and
  • 00:07:12She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:07:15Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:07:18But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:07:30It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:07:39So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:07:48But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:07:55Am really great at doing the talent PR. It just, I get it, I can do it in my sleep. I know what people want. And I’ve learned over the years that being intuitive doesn’t hurt NPR, you know, you really can be one step ahead of things.
  • 00:08:08Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:08:23you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:08:39We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:08:42Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:08:51Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:07A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:10Right, like and and
  • 00:09:12Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:09:18You took a conscious living stand right you said and you let go of some people you broke out of a scarcity mindset, right.
  • 00:09:27Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:09:39Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:09:44Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:53That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:53Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:09:54Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:10:00Another yeah yeah
  • 00:10:02And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:10:10Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:10:18Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:10:21Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:10:26Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:10:36Don’t have that chemistry, you’re not right for each other. You’re not supposed to be on the past with each other, you know, and it goes into that other saying you’re either a blessing, our lesson.
  • 00:10:45And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:10:48Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:10:51And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:11:00All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:01Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:02Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:09not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:17But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:11:21I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:11:29I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:11:34They weren’t for me.
  • 00:11:35They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:11:37And letting that go
  • 00:11:39And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:11:48You know, you have got to let
  • 00:11:51Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:12:04X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:12:11So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:12:27And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:12:35But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:12:48Well, you know, a
  • 00:12:52The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:13:02everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:13:17It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:13:21I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:13:27So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:13:33What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:13:45It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:53So, it
  • 00:13:55Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:14:06I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:14:13Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:14:17What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:14:25And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:14:35What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:14:40Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:14:49I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:14:59And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:15:15I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:15:27That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:15:47And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:15:51But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:15:57And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:16:01You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:16:10You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:16:25It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:16:29I love it, I love it. Would you would you be able to say like any specific kind of like awakening moment, would you consider that the awakening moment or would you consider something else.
  • 00:16:42Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:16:50You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:17:03So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:17:22Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:17:40Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:17:41And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:17:47Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:17:54I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:18:02And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:18:11And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:18:25And
  • 00:18:27Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:18:28Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:36Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:18:43That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:18:51Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:03So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:06Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:19:16A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:19:29No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:42There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:43terrified about like
  • 00:19:45judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:19:47Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:19:55Awesome.
  • 00:19:57That’s great. Um,
  • 00:19:58But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:20:06I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:20:18And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:20:22You’re leaving some shadows and work that you really need to face behind to life is about balance, you know,
  • 00:20:28And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:20:37I was like, Are these ghosts. Are these, like, is this demons and I was thinking that that. And so I was just bringing over more darkness and it was freaking me out, you know,
  • 00:20:46So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:20:56And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:21:06You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:17Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • 00:21:21Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:24I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:21:36That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:21:39Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:21:55Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:21:59Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:04Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:22:21I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:22:29Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:35Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:36You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:48It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:22:56And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:22:59I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:17You know,
  • 00:23:18Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:20Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:06Hey,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:07Hey,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:08How are you
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:09I’m good, how are you
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:10I’m doing well well enough for
  • 00:00:13mid May covert mid May right
  • 00:00:17How you doing today.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:18Oh babe in May.
  • 00:00:21I’ve been just working slowly but surely today and all going well. So, can’t complain.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:28Nice.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:29I hear so many people that are just out of work. So it’s like to even have work to do. I’m like,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:34Right, right. Like, I mean, I can’t
  • 00:00:38I don’t know. I can’t imagine like trying to think about being out of work and trying to find work during all this stuff right
  • 00:00:47It was it was
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:48Rough yeah
  • 00:00:49Yeah, nobody knows what they’re gonna do next. And I think that’s all part of this, though. We just have to lean into it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:56And he’s got a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen. Right. I mean, a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen just a, you know, kind of, gotta just like you said, lean into it and
  • 00:01:05Do it right. Well, what else, what else, what else can you do right just
  • 00:01:09And look, there’s the there’s going to be moments of pain and whatever. But that’s all theoretical growth if that’s what you’re into.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:20A true
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:21Right, right. Well, so look I’m super excited. Do this. Thank you. Thanks for hopping on
  • 00:01:27You know, there’s so much we can chat about and and we will so
  • 00:01:35I’m gonna, you know, kind of do an intro on you and
  • 00:01:39I’m going to kind of bounce around your three or three different things, right.
  • 00:01:43There enough
  • 00:01:44Because I could forget something else in mind.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:46I’m gonna go with your flow. I’m good.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:50All right, well, you asked for.
  • 00:02:00Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:02:13Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:02:32The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:02:36I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:02:44And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:03:00Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:03:05As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:03:24Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:03:28And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:03:48Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:03:51Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:00Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:04:07I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:04:24That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:04:29I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:04:38Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:04:42The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:05:00Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:05:10Yeah.
  • 00:05:22Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:05:38And to be okay.
  • 00:05:39You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:05:52I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:05:57Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:06:15Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:06:25You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:06:33Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:06:43I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:06:56And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:07:01Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:07:23That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:07:31Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:07:35Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:07:45Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:08:01I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:08:15And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:08:26If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:08:30And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:08:37I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:08:46Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:08:59You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:09:11She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:14Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:17But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:09:29It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:09:38So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:09:47But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:10:07Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:10:22you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:10:38We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:10:41Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:10:50Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:06A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • 00:11:11Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:11:26Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:11:38Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:11:43Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:52That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:52Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:11:53Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:59Another yeah yeah
  • 00:12:01And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:12:09Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:12:17Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:12:20Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:12:25Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:12:44And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:12:47Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:12:50And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:12:59All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:00Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:01Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:08not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:16But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:13:20I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:13:28I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:13:34They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:13:36And letting that go
  • 00:13:38And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:13:47You know, you have got to let
  • 00:13:50Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:14:03X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:14:10So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:14:26And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:14:34But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:14:47Well, you know, a
  • 00:14:51The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:15:01everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:15:16It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:15:20I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:15:26So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:15:32What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:15:44It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:15:52So, it
  • 00:15:54Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:16:05I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:16:12Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:16:16What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:16:24And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:16:34What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:16:39Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:16:48I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:16:58And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:17:14I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:17:26That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:17:46And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:17:50But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:17:56And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:18:00You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:18:09You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:18:24It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • 00:18:41Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:49You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:19:02So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:19:21Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:39Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:40And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:19:46Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:19:53I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:20:01And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:20:10And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:20:24And
  • 00:20:26Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:20:27Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:20:35Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:20:42That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:20:50Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:02So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:05Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:21:15A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:21:28No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:41There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:42terrified about like
  • 00:21:44judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:21:46Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:21:54Awesome.
  • 00:21:56That’s great. Um,
  • 00:21:57But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:22:05I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:22:17And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:22:27And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:22:45So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:22:55And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:23:05You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:16Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:23I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:23:35That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:23:38Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:23:54Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:23:58Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:03Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:24:20I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:24:28Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:34Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:35You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:47It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:24:55And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:24:58I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:16You know,
  • 00:25:17Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:19Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:19Were you Joseph Campbell, right, like the whole his
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:23So just, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes.
  • 00:25:25But I look
  • 00:25:26What was he did he, what do you mean, kind of, in what way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:29Well, so
  • 00:25:31There is no George Lucas based pretty much the whole premise.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:34I was wondering if somehow either involvement. Okay.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:37Yeah, so I know that for a very long time, actually the hero’s journey like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:42I know
  • 00:25:43Now the the connection to Star Wars and not until I don’t even know last year. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:49Well, so, so I you know probably vaguely heard about it not heard about like the hero’s journey, a couple of times. And it wasn’t until I watched that, you know, PBS special that they have on Netflix with with him and like
  • 00:26:02He’s so awesome. I’m like, like, you know, there’s so many great people that hit dead. I’m like, so pissed. Like, you know,
  • 00:26:09Going back like Wayne Dyer Alan Watts and and like you know just so can we like what
  • 00:26:15You guys could you couldn’t wait like 10 more minutes.
  • 00:26:18Right. You know what I mean. Um, but yeah. So yeah, it’s, it’s
  • 00:26:21When you can see it through the lens that you’re talking about, you’re seeing it to like this other lens and
  • 00:26:27It’s very, it’s very much that cliche. Well, when you know when the student is ready, the master will appear.
  • 00:26:33Like you’re like, yo,
  • 00:26:35Yo, you were so on top of things.
  • 00:26:40That’s great. Um, yeah. So I wanted to want to ask you just kind of like, so I got this this weird book.
  • 00:26:47It’s called weird because I’d never heard of it before and then I picked it up and it’s like, is this really based off of like orthodox like Christianity and this guy also Carl, whereas the Carl call free graph Durkheim, he spent some time spent about 10 years with
  • 00:27:03Zen Buddhist in Japan, like like 30s and 40s, RIGHT. SO HE WAS KIND OF
  • 00:27:08Hanging he was probably hanging out with watts. I’m guessing at some point. Right. But there’s a couple of lines in here that, like, you know, really, really struck me and I’m just gonna, I’m just curious if they kind of resonate with you. Right.
  • 00:27:19We talked about the limitations. Right. The once you realize there’s no limitations or you’re limitless as a human being. Right. I mean, so before him now are open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries. Right. Like, I mean,
  • 00:27:32How does somebody know this stuff right like
  • 00:27:36Before him now are now open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries, right, like, and that talks limitless.
  • 00:27:44Right. Um, let’s find the other one because. So, this you know you talk about, like, you know, kind of getting wrapped up and it was all too much like at a certain point and this is the, the whole thing my awakening.
  • 00:27:58Aspect didn’t happen prior to like about three or four years ago right and
  • 00:28:03You know, it was like a punch in the gut. And I was like, What is going on now. I had the benefit of having a hippie mom, I was born in San Francisco. Like I had like all the like I was like oh shit this is everything that I’d heard about then laugh that
  • 00:28:18Right.
  • 00:28:20But, you know, so, but this is this is the line right life no longer turns around, man. But around divine being and its manifestation. Right. Like, I mean, so that’s
  • 00:28:29Right, like where you realize there’s there’s a something’s missing. It’s like the divine aspect and like once you know that kind of did you get right i mean you’re wrapped up around it. Now, right, like that’s what gives you life my inner out. What do you think
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:45In what way, what do I think about which far
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:47I mean, you know, so I mean you’re no longer kind of wrapped around like the the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:51Attachments and man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:53Just demand stuff right like it’s like it’s like really what’s driving life is like the divine light in you or you know something along those lines, right, like that’s the greater driving force.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:05I mean my again my head goes in so many directions with that, um,
  • 00:29:11YOU KNOW, IT’S FOR ME. IT THE POWERFUL PART OF THAT was the manifestation hub and you know I’m going so many places because of what I just recently read to
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:29:23What do you recently read
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:24Well, I was reading about a little bit more about the fifth dimension.
  • 00:29:29And I was reading about parallel lives.
  • 00:29:31Hmm. And so I’m like, I’m like, you’re like oh no you’re taking me somewhere else, right now, but
  • 00:29:35To do it.
  • 00:29:36Um,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:38It just made me think of how you know we we think for so much of our lives, because we’re conditioned. We think that what we are is just what our body is right, and the man, the
  • 00:29:49See, and what we actually see
  • 00:29:51Which is so funny to me because when you stop and think about it so much of what we don’t see we take as reality, too. But then when spirit comes into it for like
  • 00:30:01You know,
  • 00:30:03And I just recently did read about how people don’t question dreams.
  • 00:30:08And then dreams are real and you have a dream, but yet, how does that, how do you know it’s real, it’s the same thing as someone just telling you that they have
  • 00:30:16But yeah everybody accepts that right. Um, so this was just leading me down the rabbit hole of thought of, you know, Parallel Lives and just how
  • 00:30:29It’s not the body, it’s, it’s this the soul, and how many lives each soul has and spawns and there’s so many different than
  • 00:30:37The old different markets, but, um, you know, also, I’m thinking about how
  • 00:30:45Oh, man. It’s so funny when you get me started. It’s hilarious. I’m like, I need to. I need to really think about where I want to go and what I want to tell you because I wanted to so many different things, but you know just what you think becomes right
  • 00:30:58And so I think this is another part and what that quote was saying is, you know,
  • 00:31:04You manifest what your life is. I mean, I tell my clients all the time what you think you become and earlier you had kind of said something along the lines of
  • 00:31:14Something about scarcity with my business. And, you know, was I afraid and, you know, for some reason, one of the most I’m so grateful for this gift and personality trait, but I’ve never been afraid of luck.
  • 00:31:26I’ve never been afraid of scarcity. I’ve always just been like, well, if I think I can do it. I can do it.
  • 00:31:32That’s nice. And it is nice and I’m very grateful for that. Because I know that it’s difficult. If you can’t, and there’s been times where that stumped me more recently than not, which has been really interesting, but I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:44Gonna be a curious.
  • 00:31:45Point to when when you when you’re stumped. You like well, like you said that that doesn’t make any sense. This isn’t, this isn’t so there’s something in that right like what what is there, like, you know,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:57locking it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:57Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:59You know, so
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:59I mean, so, as you know, I think that’s an interesting question two is like as a as a sham. And as a light worker somebody that’s intuitive medium, who do you go to when you need up
  • user avatarMona Loring00:32:13Man, I have some amazing people that I guess you know
  • 00:32:15And I want to, I want to correct one thing I don’t call myself a Sean I’m I’m semantically trained. I feel like the identity of a shaman is something different. And you know, it’s, I believe in certain ways, it’s indigenous and I
  • 00:32:33Don’t want to take that on for myself.
  • 00:32:36Here also, because
  • 00:32:37With the training that I’ve had. I have kind of turned it into my own thing.
  • 00:32:42And through these beautiful you know I’m Nancy right now. Who do I go to
  • 00:32:46Their my teachers and who I go to they’ve taught me so many different pieces of what spirit is because there’s no one right way to work with spirit, there’s no one right way to work with energy, you know,
  • 00:32:58It’s literally like going into get a massage and you’re like, You want sweetest we’re trying to monetize this is all
  • 00:33:03Right. But there’s different ways that people do it. And it’s the same thing with spirit. I’m, I’m going to give a major shout out to one of my mentors and friends, Andre
  • 00:33:12Um, you can find them that fine Andre on Instagram and He’s incredible and he’s all about energy frequency healing and it’s been interesting with him, be one of my teachers because he’s, he’s like a Mr. Miyagi in the sense of how he did not answer.
  • 00:33:32I want to see me. I want to make sure and accurate and saying any any of my questions. Never. I would ask the question, what do you think
  • 00:33:41Oh, gosh. To me in six months. It was so frustrating.
  • 00:33:45Um, and I get it now. And I get his. It’s his way of working with people. And I just, I feel I always think, like, Man, if I did that to people they like, get out of here. I’m never going to talk to you again. But he’s
  • 00:33:55He’s so good at it and you know he’s so incredible with what he does with energy, um, he can do some incredible healing for people with just a very light touch. I mean, you can’t walk straight just barely touching and there are, it’s incredible look him up.
  • 00:34:11You know, I listened to it. I thought I checked out your podcast with them you know that you to talk
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:16Is really nice and you know it was nice because you can tell you guys had, you know, a nice bond, a nice connection.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:34:22Right, yeah. He’s, he’s like a big brother is really amazing person. And he has really given me the the confidence to go into healing. When I was like, you know, limiting myself a publicist supposed to do, why would I do healing to and people will take me seriously as a publicist it
  • 00:34:42Took me
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:43Like how does it
  • 00:34:44wasn’t him, it was, it was a hit me so you know cuz. Look, I remember. Um, when I when I was first my first kind of foray into the space, right.
  • 00:34:52Very similar feelings. Right.
  • 00:34:54Moms with coaching father’s right and I was like, who why what gives me the audacity right
  • 00:35:00Why to say like, you know, I should be a coach day right
  • 00:35:03Right, good coach, whatever.
  • 00:35:06As you can tell, awesome at it, um,
  • 00:35:11But it was like and and the coach that has like will you do, you know, just, you’ve got to give yourself the permission to be great. You know who else is going to do it for you. If you’re not
  • 00:35:20Yeah, you’re if you’re expecting somebody else to give you permission to be great. Like, you’re always going to be waiting
  • 00:35:26Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:29That’s exactly it. And I don’t want to interrupt you. What, what was
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:35:32So, I mean, how, how did you blow past it. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:36Yeah and you know
  • 00:35:40I initially started doing this. I mean, first of all, I’ve been doing it again since I was 13 on and off with friends.
  • 00:35:47Um, you know, there were times where I i’ve always been studying. I’ve always been exploring it, but when I took the dive into actually doing it as a profession I was only last year.
  • 00:35:58And it was after working with friends, you know, on the DL working with family and just being like okay, can you just like
  • 00:36:06One more time, just make sure you tell me I’m not bullshit. You know, am I, can I really do this and I just really like predict this because I don’t want to tell somebody on the psychic if I’m just
  • 00:36:14You know, like you, if the self doubt is so real. And for me, there was so much self doubt at the beginning because I take it so seriously, I take what people
  • 00:36:24Believe in the spirit world so seriously and I never ever want to mix myself up or seem like I’m a charlatan and
  • 00:36:32When anybody who’s like that because people are always after money for the quick buck saying something about energy. Your Spirit and God I run into them all the time. And that was where I just needed to make sure that I was legit.
  • 00:36:44And I realized the best way to be legit is to be pure of heart.
  • 00:36:48You know, like if you just genuinely care for that person’s well be right.
  • 00:36:53Here it will not let you steer you the wrong way. I mean, there’s been days where I spirit was like let me take the wheel and literally like, I’m just holding that space. And I’m like, watching one of my spirit guides work on this person. It’s incredible.
  • 00:37:07Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:08You know, reminds me of, well, first of all, know you and I talked before before today a little bit. And we talked about stepping into the space and how it just kind of opens up for you once you
  • 00:37:20open yourself up to it, right, kind of thing. I know that sounds like you know some other mythical line.
  • 00:37:27But
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:28I was reading the you know the Michael singer.
  • 00:37:32Surrender experiment right where he talks about, you know,
  • 00:37:37Maybe he recognized when he let go, that
  • 00:37:41Like Mother Nature whatever was going to give them so much more than he’d ever dreamed possible by by kind of settings, his own standards, right. Have you found that kind of yourself to be something true
  • user avatarMona Loring00:37:54Absolutely. And I think the most common theme for me is just trust the universe and spirit and
  • 00:38:02That’s within my own life and what I’m doing. And let me tell you all day long. We can have a whole podcast episode about how I’ve been doing it with Ovid, right. Um, but yeah i just i think that
  • 00:38:15You really do need to. I think that’s why people say surrender to spirit surrender to God or whatever. And it sounds so intense, and it sounds so scary. And it’s like, Okay, are you joining a call. Like, what does this mean right
  • 00:38:26Right, it’s different. It’s not surrendering and letting something lead you. You still have free will. You can think for yourself doesn’t feel right. Don’t do it, but it’s just that trust. I think it just means trust, you know, and
  • 00:38:40I think that just for me. I have to just sometimes I’m
  • 00:38:47Being a publicist and being a healer is really weird because you have to completely
  • 00:38:52Different personalities. You know, when I’m in PR and I mean obviously I’m not one of those really gentle ethical fairy areas healers and you can tell like I’m a little bit more on the
  • 00:39:02Side. So at least the public is still there. And that way, but I mean my voice changes when I’m going to healing.
  • 00:39:08session with people. I’m softer I’m slower.
  • 00:39:12And as a publicist you’re intense and it’s cocoa and how you get it done and you know
  • 00:39:16And so when I switched to being a healer, I have to just surrender to spirit. Just what do you need me to do. What are you showing me
  • 00:39:24You know, where do I see this energy that’s hurting someone were to what, like, what is it, just show me.
  • 00:39:29I’m not doing any of them myself. First of all, so if you want to heal yourself or be a healer or get into anything that’s spiritual. You have to trust spirit because
  • 00:39:39If you’re going to be one of those people, which I have them in my family and they’ve come a long way because of, you know, seeing me. And luckily, trusting to work with spirit more but you know if you’re if you’re gonna sit here with your arms crossed, like, oh, show me.
  • 00:39:53Show me. Yeah, you’re not going to see anything.
  • 00:39:55We’re really are. And then when you let go and you trust, and this is why it’s great for some people. I’m not advocating for everyone but plant medicine is really great for some people, because
  • 00:40:05It takes away all those inhibitions and you’re not sitting there in your thought brain and you’re you’re stuck in your ego mind and, you know, thinking, well, logically, this and that, you know, you’re just letting go and you’re feeling and you’re seeing
  • 00:40:17And if you do that, you do not need plant medicine for any of that. But if you do that spirit will show you, you know, but you have to first take the first step forward and trust.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:28You gotta be, you know, what’s the awful of all the lines, right, you know, open, open, open everything and attached to nothing. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:40:36Yes.
  • 00:40:37All right. Ah.
  • 00:40:39And
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:40You know,
  • 00:40:41We also talked a little bit about like now. So it opens up for you. Once you accept it. But, you know, then you got the people that are trying to manifest
  • 00:40:49With with such great intensity like you were talking about earlier to when somebody like
  • 00:40:54I just keep trying and some people that can’t let go, but it’s also when they’re trying so hard to force it. They’re trying to force it themselves. They’re trying to use their own personal energy right and versus, you know,
  • 00:41:06Alan Watts on you know Trust the universe is another right you know just trust the universe is another and and or, you know, the whole let go and let God
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:17Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:18Yeah, you know, you know, you’re like, you’re like, Did that really just come out of your mouth and yeah just came out of my mouth like, let go, let God, why would you say it because it works.
  • 00:41:27Yeah, um, and with lol thing, right.
  • 00:41:31A LAW of ATTRACTION bit right
  • 00:41:35Look for evidence of it like you were talking about before, right, you got somebody like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:40Not yeah
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:41Not on my watch.
  • 00:41:42Right, so you know like you talk a little bit about looking for evidence of it, right, like if you’re if you’re trying to be in that space. Tell us a little bit about that. What’s that look like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:54So this is so funny. Everything asked me, am I, man. I need a whole podcast episode or just this. But all right, bite size pieces so I love
  • 00:42:05Law of Attraction and manifestation. And I think that’s truly why a anything exists and I’m for better for worse, why good exists and why that exists, you know, and I think that
  • 00:42:22What people don’t realize is, they only do a few steps of like the whole list of what you need to do to manifest
  • 00:42:29Um, and it’s it’s hard. I mean, I’m sitting here preaching to the choir and I’ll tell clients, what they need to do.
  • 00:42:35But there’s times where I’m lying and I’m lost in my own self limiting beliefs. Again, or my energy in a certain way and I’m locking myself from manifesting too.
  • 00:42:44Because we’re human, and we get in our own way. That is the number one thing humans do best, get in their own way, but
  • 00:42:50I think that really what’s so important is just being in that vibration
  • 00:42:55And you know, I even with my psychic work. You know, it’s all about kind of the tuning to that radio station is how I explain it, you know, and just getting into this vibration
  • 00:43:04And Law of Attraction is one of the easier vibrations to be in. Because at the end of the day, if you are in gratitude and if you are in love.
  • 00:43:13There’s no wrong way. If you are as as often as you can. And it’s kind of the tipping scale.
  • 00:43:19Where it’s like if you’re more love than anything else, you’re still going to tip it over and it’s going to help you out and you’re going to be on that vibration. So you don’t even have to be perfect. That’s why it’s so easy. You know, I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:43:30Lucky. Yes.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:43:32It’s for me. One thing I do to just stay in it as often as I can.
  • 00:43:37Obviously, it helps. Now that I’m doing so much more healing work because that’s keeping my vibration up and just helping people in the love I feel for people and
  • 00:43:45You know, meditation and all of that. But that aside. Let’s say I wasn’t doing that for me before I really got into a day to day
  • 00:43:52I would go on Instagram and just follow really high vibe people and highlight things and follow you know places. I want to go on vacation that I love and follow you know just nature pictures and that all increases your vibration listening to music that you love.
  • 00:44:11You know outside. It sounds like you’re focusing on things that you wanted in your life.
  • 00:44:17Things that you, this is the thing. So with I think the first step is just things that you like that make you feel good.
  • 00:44:24That’s the very first step of just
  • 00:44:26Getting to a better place because some people, they’re going to you know there’s practice alleyway. And they’re in a dark place. And they’re like, well, how do I attract this when I’m just so far from the bowl.
  • 00:44:37So that’s kind of what I’m getting into it sort of like that first step of what you need to do to just almost effortlessly raise your vibration
  • 00:44:45Then of course there’s the other list of things that you need to do, which is like very specifically, think about what you want, but it’s tricky because while you can’t be too specific, because if you’re too specific. You’re limiting what
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:44:57Right. Well, I mean that’s that’s a kind of speaking in generalities. Right. This also goes back to
  • 00:45:03You know too much focus on your own intention and trying to do it yourself. Because if you’re because in that aspect. Then you’re limited to what you think is possible versus what is truly possible
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:15Yeah, well,
  • 00:45:17Exactly.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:45:19So much fun.
  • 00:45:21I’m so you know spiritual dope spiritual dope. I like the idea of, you know, just kind of
  • 00:45:31When you feel
  • 00:45:33Connected to like demanding and getting that high. Right. That’s, that’s, again, the premise of kind of spiritual dope. Right.
  • 00:45:41Let’s talk about another spiritual dope experience, like, you know, what do you do to get your daily does your daily hit your gratitude practice your meditation.
  • 00:45:52Senior kid thrive right you have, how many children, one or two.
  • 00:45:55You too. How old are the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:5815 and 11 boy and a girl.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:46:00Oh man 1511 Nice, nice. And so seeing them thrive and like getting to be their mom, you know, I think that that’s also
  • 00:46:09That’s another one of those lines to, like, you know, was it. Children are a blessing you
  • 00:46:15Know you’re like wow what a blessing. They are right. You know, I don’t know. Give me something that when I haven’t hit on that you would consider like a spiritual high spiritual head spiritual. Nope. Hit me with it.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:46:30I’m
  • 00:46:33Hmm. I mean, there’s so many things. It’s like
  • 00:46:38Such an interesting question is easy. It’s so easy, but then it’s complicated.
  • 00:46:43Like anything, anything that makes you really happy a spiritual dough like
  • 00:46:49You know what I mean.
  • 00:46:51Um, so then I’m like, Okay, well, let me give you something like a little bit more serious or intent, like, you know, we’re talking about like gratitude and meditation and
  • 00:47:01You know,
  • 00:47:02Like I’m looking outside right now as we talk. I tend to look outside this window a lot when I do my sessions and, you know, this is your here and I look outside
  • 00:47:10It kind of gives me that zero and kind of not really being in a space and letting myself flow and I’m looking outside. I’m seeing sunlight. Sunlight spiritual though.
  • 00:47:18Yeah, well you that right now.
  • 00:47:20Or sure
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:47:22There’s a line that’s like a, you know, the talks about God, like you know the difference between like kind of being human with divinity is
  • 00:47:31In relation to God is like, you know, being warmed by the sun but not being the sun, right. Like, I mean, to me, that’s pretty powerful. So it says right so the Son.
  • 00:47:42Who is like you know some of your all time favorites. If you’re on a, you know, was I’m a big fan of high fidelity of the movie. I’m not sure if you’re a john Cusack fan and
  • 00:47:53I love him so you know island all time, you know, top five. You’re gonna be stuck listening to them talking to them spiritual people who are they who are they
  • user avatarMona Loring00:48:05Oh man, I thought I was questioning off and I was like,
  • 00:48:11Okay.
  • 00:48:13I’m going to go up because he he
  • 00:48:17He really broke me into truly spiritual literature and he was really kind of my first Wayne Dyer. I’m definitely him.
  • 00:48:26And he and anyone who hasn’t experienced them. I would say listen to him because his voice is so soothing that that’s just half of it right there. I changed my life so much more to actually start to listen to what he has to say.
  • 00:48:41Over just read what he has to say. But his power of intention was the first book I read and of his books and I thought it was brilliant. Um, who else. Okay, hold on my face. Oh, I’m literally looking at all my books around here and cheating so hard. I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:49:02Going to you.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:49:04I, I really like Joe dispenser right now.
  • 00:49:07And kind of is. So it’s like, oh, all time is rough, but like
  • 00:49:10I’m pretty hot on him right now, just because, um,
  • 00:49:14He, he’s a tough one for some people to grasp, because in certain ways, he doesn’t answer all your questions, like I was introducing my husband and my husband was like
  • 00:49:25But he doesn’t explain a lot and he doesn’t explain how like it’s a little bit. And if you really want to like need all that detail there is a little bit of vagueness to what you say. Um, you have to. That’s what spirit experience a little bit
  • 00:49:39And, you know, it is like we don’t know everything, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:49:43What makes it a challenge is like how you’re going to describe to somebody that’s never had the experience what being filled by spirits like
  • 00:49:51Yeah, right, or or
  • 00:49:54Existing or feeling on that level, and that’s where the differentials come from, from so many different spaces because you can’t put that shit into words.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:05You can, and it’s hard and you know there’s there’s a meditation that he he has that
  • 00:50:12I’ve tried to do. And I’ve succeeded once really well and it was mind blowing. Um, but I find what he has to say really interesting and I’m a huge believer and he breaks down into people like Gregg Gregg Braden, and
  • 00:50:26There is there so interesting.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:28So Greg’s, the one that finally so I know I’ve got, like, if you remember the movie high fidelity for he’s got his albums line to like chronological order, right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:39Remember them. It’s been a minute.
  • 00:50:41Hey man, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:42If you get super down on anything should go watch it because it’s always
  • 00:50:45Entertaining
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:48But he’s got the he’s got his albums, like in chronological order right here. I can tell you how I got to, you know, this album to that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:56Number that
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:57Right, so that’s like that’s like me. I’m like, why can tell you how I got to Alan Watts and I got to
  • 00:51:03And then I got over here into Gregg Braden. And so, Alan Watts is always talking about in Buddhism, they talk about the heart, mind connection right and man I went off on a search. I was like, I gotta find out more about this heart, mind can hardly
  • 00:51:18Google um
  • 00:51:21And and Gregg Braden did it in one of his sessions on the last gospels of Thomas
  • 00:51:28And you know, you know, you’ve just got to connect the two and a resonant manner and like when you’ve connected the two you’ll know it and that’s like that heart, mind connection. And that’s when people like that’s when
  • 00:51:41You’re in full gratitude and you express a wish. I mean, that’s when you’re going to be like most resonant because now you’ve got your mind and your heart like into and and that’s part of the whole heart math bit right like is
  • 00:51:51That
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:51:53Right. I mean, what else you don’t need, like, I love, I love the amplification process of movies media.
  • 00:52:00Podcast. And to me, it’s just like one big soapbox for me. I’m like, Well, you know, this is how I’m going to amplify my message right but you can just, you don’t need all this, you can just do it with that heart, mind connection and and so Gregg Braden
  • 00:52:16So my guy.
  • 00:52:17It’s like when you when you have those when you trip over those things, I think, you know, so you’re talking about. I’m looking for
  • user avatarMona Loring00:52:24Cheating again with the bookcase.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:52:26You’re good. So the meditation that just you did. I mean, I’ve been. I’ve been working on that one. Um, that sounds like. So is it the one that’s the beginning of becoming supernatural because I’ve got the audio, I need the book right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:52:39I don’t know if it’s at the beginning of becoming supernatural. I haven’t, I haven’t found it in a minute. Um, but
  • 00:52:45I believe he only if I’m not mistaken, I believe he only has one true like it’s always the same. He has one main meditation. That’s his theory and it goes. Um, I remember how it goes like, you know, imagine the space between your temples in space.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:01And like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:53:02The way he says that some people are like, wait, what, like, what are you saying to me, you
  • 00:53:05Know, but if you just give yourself permission to let go and whatever that’s defined us for you will work.
  • 00:53:11You know, it’s a pretty interesting meditation. It’s all about shooting your energy from from like your tailbone up your body. It’s really interesting.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:18Well, I mean, so, so
  • 00:53:20Have you so he talks about like how to do that right by like I’m making this making the, you know, stomach muscles strong and like all that stuff.
  • 00:53:28Sounds like to me like Kundalini like a Kundalini practice, but also again due to my friend over here, Carl free this guy from Germany who spent the time over in Japan.
  • 00:53:43It’s the same thing. It says, then is it flipped or backwards on the side. I don’t know.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:53:47That’s perfect.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:49Right. So it’s the same exercise.
  • 00:53:52Which is to me. I love that because it’s, you know, you’re like, wow, these things. It’s the same. It’s the same stomach exercise like we do the meditation and get the energy know pumped up to the back of your head and giving yourself the TMT shot.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:06Yeah, right. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:07So I’m working on that one.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:11Not natural the empty.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:12Right, right, guys.
  • 00:54:17That would be one I would chase for a while. Sure.
  • 00:54:19Yes, like, no, just just
  • 00:54:23Yes, but I mean you know but i wanted i want to do it will like where I don’t get in trouble for having a handful of it, um,
  • 00:54:32But I love the fact that our bodies are. I mean, that’s the whole you know the whole alchemy.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:36Aspect right i mean our
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:38Bodies, you know, generate all the things that we really need if if we give into it. Or if we know how to make it happen, such as
  • 00:54:50The
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:51Meditation that you’re talking about, like, one more of your, of your top fives.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:55:00Hmm. These are some books on us. It’s top five. Let’s see who else
  • 00:55:06I love so many people. I’m excited that I said Wayne Dyer that goes to show he really just opened me up to the world. I love that. Um,
  • 00:55:18Who else would I say
  • 00:55:23I love that you’re just watching me on this podcast looking around my office. I’m
  • 00:55:31Oh, you know what
  • 00:55:33I haven’t finished yet.
  • 00:55:35I didn’t finish I have so many books. I wish I could just take my computer around a show you it’s everywhere.
  • 00:55:40Um, I haven’t finished this book, which is crazy that I’m going to recommend it but it’s because I’m a Gemini and I started a book and then I
  • 00:55:47Read half of it and I jumped to the next thing. And I’ll go back to it and I have, I probably am reading about five books at one given time. I’m Autobiography of a Yogi.
  • 00:55:58Hmm.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:56:00I suggest anyone who wants to know a little bit of something about something.
  • 00:56:05So I bought that at his actual
  • 00:56:09Spiritual center down in Encinitas San Diego and it’s an awesome place, but anyone who’s in social definitely does it if they can, at some point, um, and it’s such an interesting book because I want to grab it. I’m
  • 00:56:29Parma Hansa your yoga Nanda, I was like,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:56:33Nada. That’s why.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:56:36This guy, um, it’s just so interesting because I’ve even gone on YouTube before and done some of the meditation.
  • 00:56:46They have available and they’re pretty great.
  • 00:56:49And it’s all just, you know, the meditation. They did. They were all just based on love. Um, but it’s it’s really this is named one of the hundred Best virtual books of the 20th century. So right here.
  • 00:57:03The self realization of of just anything that you’re doing in meditation and in spirit.
  • 00:57:10I think I would even though I haven’t finished it. So I feel like I’m a little bit of a cheat saying this, but from what I have right of it. And again, you know, diving into what
  • 00:57:19It’s about and you know this is a little bit, you know, tells you about his life and stuff too. But, you know, the theory behind self realization is beautiful to me. And I think that
  • 00:57:32The number one thing that I’ve learned that I believe my mentors were always trying to reach me and I want everybody else to really believe is that you really have all the answers you need it.
  • 00:57:44You really don’t need to look without to to know anything you really i mean it’s it’s part of the whole Akashic records. You know, it’s like the informations already in a certain field.
  • 00:57:58Just dive into it and you dial into the frequency and you can get any information you know you want to know because
  • 00:58:05It’s there for you. And of course that’s easier said than done. And I know that if you’re not in a certain mindset or in a certain space, you can certainly do that. But, um,
  • 00:58:14That’s why I feel like meditation so important you know because you you will have so much information. I mean, how was I a 13 year old girl telling people about household households work. And then, you know, five years ago, I was reading this book.
  • 00:58:32I can’t remember the book, Robert Schwartz, he wrote it. Not that I totally believe everything that he said, not that I think he’s a liar, either. I just don’t know. But the things that were in this book where things I was telling
  • 00:58:42Our team. It was very bizarre and um you know how if you if it’s not about dialing within yourself and tapping into the energy field around you, how would how would I have even known to tell these people, these things that I have never stopped to think about
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:58:56Love it. I love, I love, I love that because you know
  • 00:59:01The way I think about it is kind of like even, even in coaching, any, any kind of like creative nature forces.
  • 00:59:09Are through you. For the benefit almost more for somebody else. Right. So it’s like you don’t know you just got to open yourself up to it and you know you’re there for the benefit of somebody else right
  • 00:59:21Yeah, it’s kind of one of the ways I see it. So,
  • 00:59:25Just being a vehicle of that energy right being a vehicle that you know information is energy right
  • 00:59:32So I love that. What would you say ended up here real quick for us but um you know when you’re
  • 00:59:39Kind of first coming into it. Right. You did it at like 13 there was no Google, there’s no Facebook group there was like, you know,
  • 00:59:49Finding these books right and kind of getting that validation there. Or let’s say somebody
  • 00:59:56Is coming into it right now. Right.
  • 00:59:58What would you send them like, you know, somebody says, like, Oh my God, I feel like elements.
  • 01:00:02Touching god like and I must be crazy. What would you tell them
  • user avatarMona Loring01:00:08That’s such a tough one because I think there’s no right answer for everybody.
  • 01:00:13And I know that might seem like a cop out but it’s true. Um, I would ask someone, you know, what do you, what do you feel like you want to know more about, you know, what are you
  • 01:00:22You’re touching God. What does that look like to you.
  • 01:00:25Do you need something that’s going to help you go within more do you need something that’s going to be a little bit more of a play by play so you can expand a little further.
  • 01:00:33You know what I mean, everybody’s so different and that’s why I think I was just so stumped with my top five books because I look around. I’m like,
  • 01:00:40Well depending on this person color therapy is really great. But you know what I mean, because it’s just it depends on what someone wants, but I would say that anything that you choose to expand your mind with whether it ends up being right for you or not. It’s still opening you up.
  • 01:00:58To a certain space and it’s just going to lead you down.
  • 01:01:01In a good way, a beautiful rabbit hole of more, you know, um, and my clients definitely asked me, you know what book do you want, do you recommend I read and Michael singer has definitely been one of them. Michael singer untethered soul that’s a
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:01:15Great book. Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:01:19It was funny. I didn’t see that anywhere here, I think.
  • 01:01:23It’s out on live
  • 01:01:24But, um, you know, I think that it’s just about, you know, I know some people that have really opened up because they read the secret as as hokey as people think. The secret is, I think it’s brilliant because it helps people got
  • 01:01:39The mainstream open up
  • 01:01:42You know, and I think that the Abraham books are
  • 01:01:45Amazing. Oh my gosh, I forgot.
  • 01:01:48My favorite book. I cannot believe it. Jane Roberts, the South books.
  • 01:01:52are incredible. They are incredible. And they’re not easy reads because it’s just
  • 01:01:59The things that so basically set is an entity, a spiritual entity that comes out of this woman Jane Roberts that writes these books with her husband dictating basically writing what she’s been saying and
  • 01:02:11The things that he talks about are just so incredible and
  • 01:02:15I remember so early on being like, Well, you know, What would, what would be the answer to this.
  • 01:02:20You know, spiritual question that, like, you know, things that you would never How can someone project energy over to another, like how does tell us telepathic. You know, telepathy. Telepathy. Thank you. It’s healthy work.
  • 01:02:33Say that 10 times fast. Hello ethic telepathy and you know it’s it’s check the book out. I recommend it to a lot of people. Um, I really liked it on audible because you can kind of just soak it in and listen to it.
  • 01:02:49But I would have to say that’s probably the coolest book that
  • 01:02:54Was a tough one because you saw me struggling trying to cheat by looking around my office finally came out finally came. Yeah, yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:03:01I love it, I love it. You know, we talked about Wayne Dyer to his movie that I listened to him one. I watched the shift is kind of one of the one of the ones where
  • 01:03:15It helped me to make so much sense of things for myself right to understand that, again, like I wasn’t crazy like there was like, you know, like many people have walked on this path before me. Right.
  • 01:03:29Type of thing and and and and when you understand that you’re like,
  • 01:03:34Cool. Now let’s roll with it. Let’s like we know, we know that some things are possible with this and they’re going to lead to
  • 01:03:42Who knows what but you just kind of you chase it. You follow it. You have fun with it. I love it. I love it all. So let’s um let’s cap it let’s Catholic because obviously we can do this forever.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:03:55Every question you asked, you’re like, Oh man, I need a whole episode.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:03:59I believe at 100%
  • 01:04:00There. So there’s so much down each each spot right he’s
  • 01:04:05Mad. For me, it’s like an awesome English muffins of different
  • 01:04:10Where you know I think was the people that you’re meeting this would check out your, your conscious living and your conscious PR, right, so where, you know, where should we send people to come, come find you.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:04:23Um, you can find me on conscious living PR and Instagram. You can find us at MLC PR. I doubt anyone listening to this cares about. And we’ll see if you are but I’m also PRS and my talent firm.
  • 01:04:35My personal profiles private just for people I know, but I do have a healing one that I believe it’s called I don’t usually tell people what it is. So, um, I believe it’s healing with Mona.
  • 01:04:45It’s conscious healing co on Instagram to
  • 01:04:47And you could go on and conscious healing co.com if you want to read a little bit more about my background.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:04:53Awesome. Awesome, great site. Very well done.
  • 01:04:56Hey, thank you.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:04:58Thank you.