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Meet Jaclyn Johnston and the author of the best-selling book, “Don’t Feel Stuck!”  she works for world-renowned physicists, and she created Manifest It!®

Learn more about Jaclyn on her website where she has her blog and links to her best selling books that will help you to manifest the life you have only dreamed of here: https://themanifestit.com/about/

Brandon Handley 0:01
Boom here hey there spiritual tube I am on here today with Jacqueline Johnson of the manifested calm Jacqueline I connected, I were just talking to her a little bit earlier about how we connected on Instagram, I really kind of dig everything that you’ve got going on with your manifestation space and kind of what you’re putting out there the messaging. And we felt like it’d be a good idea for you to hop on the podcast and share some of the messaging out and what it is that you’re doing and how others can, you know, find that and implement that in their own lives. So Jacqueline, once you give me a little, give the audience a little bit of a background on yourself. And we’ll jump into

Jaclyn Johnston 0:39
thanks so much for having me, Brandon. So I am My name is Jacqueline Johnston. And I’m a number one best selling author of the dolgeville stuck books, the series, and I also am the creator of the brand manifested and the podcast show host of the same name manifested.

Brandon Handley 1:05
Awesome, thanks for and again, thanks for hopping on here today. So as you know, right, we’re vehicles of source right sources kind of always come in through us and speaks to us to help others out, right? Like the more that we open ourselves up to be of service to others than then the sources kind of like, blows through us. And it’s in that vein, right that when you’re here and you’re speaking to you and I are speaking, you and I have a conversation, but the person on the other end is going to hear something totally different. And it’s gonna hear this message that can only be delivered through you today, Jacqueline, on this podcast at this time, what is that message that is coming through safely,

Jaclyn Johnston 1:45
I have to one, like, literally time is an illusion, it doesn’t exist. I work with physicists at a university. So I’m really, really anything and everything that you see other people manifest, it can manifest for you as well. And to us soon as you fully surrender to the outcome, and I do mean fully surrender, it just, it just shows up so quickly. Yep.

Brandon Handley 2:22
So when you say fully surrender to the outcome, were you saying

Jaclyn Johnston 2:25
I mean, there’s this method that I use, and I call it manifest manifest faster. And I use it by writing into reality. So every single time I write something down that I desire, and I match it with current blessings, or past achievements, with what I want to manifest in what I want to achieve, but I write it down as if it’s already happening, or has happened, your brain doesn’t know the difference between what’s true and what’s false. And neither does the universe, because it just responds to you through the boomerang effect. So whenever I write something down, and I just take about five minutes a day to do it, it programs and reprograms. And in helps my brain to understand that you know what this is possible, it was possible for somebody else, so it can be possible. For me, it’s like learning how to drive a car, learning an app on your phone. You remember when we were kids, and we were learning how to tire fuse. I mean, really, and truly, you can do this, you just have to give your permission is to give yourself permission to do so. And by writing it down, I have found that it manifests manifest faster.

Brandon Handley 3:47
For sure, so when you’re writing these manifests, and you know, when you’re when you’re manifesting, is it? Is it repetition of something? Or is it the creation of something? Or is it the development of an idea is kind of what’s that process look like for you as

Jaclyn Johnston 4:06
part of the process of fully surrendering is training your brain. And so it does involve some repetition, but not to the point where it’s all you focus on because then you focus on the need, rather than then just being open. So it’s really and truly learning how to appreciate everything that you do have, what you’ve accomplished so far, and building upon that through the compound effect of each day. And I mean, that’s really and truly How do you learn the lyrics to a song that you hear for the first time and you really like it, you set the intention to learn the lyrics to the song and you may not know it after hearing it the first time around, but you do learn it because you set the intention to do so. So It’s the same thing when it comes to writing in reality, you set the intention every day, hey, you know, I’m open to this. And I trust the process. And I trust the universe because it doesn’t matter when or how it happens. I just know it’s a possibility. And then when you mix that with other things in your life or your career, then you’re not focusing solely on that particular desire. And it helps you to fully surrender. And then when you fully surrender, the universe just responds so quickly.

Brandon Handley 5:40
I had a full surrender moment this morning. I couldn’t find my complaint. Right. And it but it but it was it really is in the same context, because it’s a and it was funny because I felt myself in this moment. Like, I can’t find it. And like, my chest started to get all tight. Like I wasn’t even like, I was like, frantic rain like that. It wasn’t a big deal. But it was like, I felt like this panic, I felt like this thing. And I was like, Oh, I’m putting all this like yuck energy. And like finding my phone, I’m like, this sucks. I was like, Alright, well, I guess I won’t have it with me, I’ll just roll on out. And I turn the corner is like, there was like, right there to my right. And I’m like, and it was like just a matter of just letting it go, just a moment of just like letting it go be like, I would like to have it, I don’t have to have it, it would be great if it showed up sooner rather than later. But whatever, we’re just gonna roll it, that kind of what we’re looking at,

Jaclyn Johnston 6:35
because the it’s like with the wave in the the waves in the ocean, you know, there’s so much tension that pulls back when the wave comes back into the ocean. And it reminds me also have a bow and arrow, like you’re you’re stressing out and you’re and don’t get me wrong, I live with anxiety every single day, and I’m a type a person. So I I’m constantly surrendering and practicing, it’s a lifelong journey. But you get better at it with practice. And so you have that tension, you know, mentally in your emotions. You’re like, Oh, my gosh, I can’t find my phone in your case. And you’re just like I need, I need to control this outcome. I need to control the surroundings. I need my phone. And then as soon as you like you said, you just said okay, well, whatever, I’m just gonna roll with it, then the wave surges forward, and you start hanging 10 because then instantly your manifestation or your desire, whatever it is, shows up. And yeah, instantly, that arrow just propelled forward towards the target. And it really and truly is learning how, like you said, to let go and stop controlling the how and the when, and I know everybody hears that all the time. But it really truly is a, a practice. And it’s a daily practice. Because as human beings in our society, we’re trained to want to control everything around us. Because let’s be honest, the unknown is scary. And I had that same experience. Most recently. I mean, I’ve manifested so many things in such a short amount of time in my life. But most recently, a couple of weeks ago, I gave up gave up but let go and gave into the how and the when of wanting to move to Cincinnati I have right now live in Dallas. And I’ve been with my boyfriend for four years. And I were you know, we want to be closer together. And I just kept like, feeling frustrated, up until about two weeks ago, because I thought, well, I’m gonna have to find a job. And then, you know, I work at the university with businesses, and I love my job. And I do I love working with them. And once I finally just was like, You know what, I’m not gonna stress about it. It’ll come in to play, it’ll, all the pieces will come together when it’s the right time. And then as soon as that happens, I literally got a phone call from the University of Cincinnati. Also in insight, it’s like the College of Medicine, but that’s still science base. But yeah, so I got a job offer to work in the College of Medicine to do their accounting, and I got actually offered a lot more money, then I’m getting paid here. And so I realized now every time I realized this, whenever I do manifest anything and everything. I realized that if I just stop trying to control the outcome, then things either manifest exactly how I expect it. Or much better comes to me and it’s usually much better, I would say 95% of the time, it’s much better than I can, you know, expect or or imagine because honestly, I wasn’t expecting the salary increase, like it is and I just felt so blessed in so now everything’s happening so fast. And the universe, I mean, it’s a boomerang, it just responds, but you got to let go of the control.

Brandon Handley 10:32
That’s great. The, the, the, the idea is if I, if I’m, if I’m following this or something better, right. And then I think it’s interesting that you’ve, you’re a type a person working in a scientific field and or space. And you’re, you’re also in this space, you’re also in the manifestation space. We know I’m guessing, also that it didn’t happen overnight. You weren’t always this person. So how did you? What’s your journey look like?

Jaclyn Johnston 11:05
Yeah. So when I went to, I went to college at UT Austin. And when I first got there, I thought I wanted to work in physics. And then my senior year, I realized, Oh, my gosh, I really love literature. And I love writing. And I’m an INFJ, and the Myers Briggs, which is a famous psychology test, which basically means I utilize both hemispheres of my brain equally. So you know, some people are extremely, like genius level on the right side of their brain or the left side of their brain. And I utilize both equally, so I’m a little bit more well rounded, and not really genius level in one particular subject. But yeah, so I ended up graduating with an English major and a minor in Communication Studies. But then I ended up in real estate, and I didn’t like it wasn’t for me, I was doing accounting in it, which is funny, because I don’t have an accounting degree. But with my experience, I was able to wind up back in the physics area, doing math all day long. But I also have the pleasure of writing books. So I have three published books now. And I have my own business and my own products, like mugs and journals, and I have the podcast. And I also, you know, write for media platforms. So you know, when you put yourself in a any kind of confinement, that limits you. And so, I believe that because everything exists simultaneously in the universe, then why not have the best of both worlds. And if you, and I know it’s hard, because I want to control too. But if you trust the process, it will happen so much faster for you whether it’s getting out of debt, I used to be in $29,000 worth of debt. And I got out of it. And I got out of that debt two weeks after I fully surrendered to that. And that was a few years ago. And I mean, I manifested a brand new car of my choosing for free. I got a brand new washer and dryer set for free. And I met my most favorite person in the whole world, Bruce Springsteen. And there’s just an i O. And I was single for nine years. And when I say single, I mean, could have checked myself into the convent single, I did not date. And I just decided I’m going to write him into reality. And I did that within 10 months. We’ve been together for four years, and now we’re moving, moving forward in the relationship. And he’s a chemist, he’s an inventor in chemistry. Yeah. So yeah, why not have the best of both worlds? It’s possible. And it’s possible for someone else and it’s possible for you, why can’t it be?

Brandon Handley 14:08
So let’s look at just starting small, right? Let’s just let’s just because, correct me if I’m wrong, but this a lot of this is going to work off of your beliefs, right? What are you willing to accept? And so let’s start off in the beginning, how do I start off in this space? What do I need to do,

Jaclyn Johnston 14:30
I always recommend, don’t focus on one particular desire. You don’t focus on anything and everything that you would like to manifest so that way you’re not focusing and creating vibrations of needs and lack. And you can start with smaller goals. And you can start with bigger goals. And you can start with, I don’t know like mid range goals. I say just allow it. Anything and everything. And then as you practice each day with writing into reality and shifting, you know what’s possible for you, which my my books, my three books that I have that don’t feel stuck series, I guide you day by day on how to do this. And I literally put in all of my it’s like programs but in a book, and I put in everything that I did for myself and still do for myself into these books. But it’s it’s that compound effect of the daily practice. So I know some people say, oh, start out with a small goal. Or some people say no, just focus on the one thing you want. And I’m saying why limit yourself just, you know, talk about anything and everything that you’re open to. And then as you shift, your self esteem will start to shift. Because let’s face it, most people want to believe in something that’s outside of themselves. And through my books with the cognitive behavioral training, which is psychology, I literally guide you and teach you how to start trusting yourself more, which in turn is trusting the universe, because we are the same elemental particles that are of the universe. So yeah, as you practice this practice makes progression and progression brings the manifestation. And again, being open to anything and everything. Blessing wise, coming your way, it’ll give you a confidence boost, and then over time, you’ll start taking manifesting action is how I call it, but it’s basically taking action towards your goals. So when you show the universe what you want, because physical action is a much stronger vibration than just thinking something, you know, a thought is just a thought, it’s a fleeting moment of feeling a stronger vibration, because you put focus on it. But action action is where it’s that and you want something to manifest, write it down, because that’s action, right? visualizing. And also just, you know, taking steps and saying, hey, universe, I mean business, I’m showing you what I want. And then you got to, again, trust the process surrender, and it will happen so fast.

Brandon Handley 17:24
Right? So I, you know, here Amir was saying the the idea of, you know, writing it down is an action of itself. And not to limit yourself to just starting small you can you can, anything, right? You’re saying anything is on the table? Why not? It’s all here. And it’s all here at the same time already, is something I’m kind of hearing you say, saying to like, you know, time is an illusion. So what’s that look like? Right? What do you mean, it’s all here already.

Jaclyn Johnston 17:56
So I like to tell people, if you close your eyes, and you imagine this clear, protective bubble around you, and then outside of it are all of your desires. I’m saying, you know, pop the bubble and let it come to you like it’s floating around, you know, but if you keep that separation of, Oh, I don’t know, if it’s possible for me, then you’re just you’re just keeping it at arm’s length. And so I say pop the bubble, allow it to come in. Don’t worry about how it comes to you. Or when it comes to you just be open to it coming to you. And another scenario I like to use is I call it your manifestations are delivered by ups universe Parcel Service. I know it’s so cheesy. But you know, when you go online, and you put in an item that you want to purchase, you click it and add it to the cart. And then when you go to check out, you put in your shipping address, and then you hit submit, and then you know that it’s on its way to you, you know that it’s coming. It’s the same process when it comes to your desires. You say, Okay, I want this, and you click the checkout mentally. You put in your shipping address, meaning taking action, like taking steps to make it happen. And then you just trust that okay, well, it’s on its way to me, and then as soon as you fully stop trying to control your surroundings, it shows up right away.

Brandon Handley 19:34
I love that. I mean, as you’re sitting there talking, I’m like, wow, you can make a fun game out of that and of itself. And while I’m thinking of that, in terms of manifestation, you know, we’ve been talking about positive manifestation the whole time, right? So this also works negatively, you know. And I guess, you know, we can ask people who are looking for the evidence that it’s an accent to kind of like, trace their thoughts back one way or another. Oh, where did that come from? How did that show up in your life? Right? So how do you, you know, for just just to get people started, right? Or even like kind of sharing your story? What uh, how did you get the free car? How did you know that’s over your life? I’m curious on the story, just share with the audience like what’s Tell us about that one? Yeah. So

Jaclyn Johnston 20:25
I, I remember, I had a is a Honda Civic, and I loved that car so much, the AC was broken. And since I live in Texas, it’s super hot in the summer. And I just remember, I would leave campus, it was so hot, and I the windows rolled down. And I, every day, I kept imagining myself in my car with a nice cool breeze in my car, a working AC. And I just kept imagining myself feeling cool. And, you know, it’s kind of like when you know, when you start talking about mosquitoes, and how they fly around you, and then they, they bite you, and then you get all itchy. And the more you talk about it, you’re gonna start feeling itchy. Or if you have to use the restroom and you start talking about water, then you know, it’s that urge. So I just kept telling myself on the drive home every day from the campus, like, Oh, my AC is so cool, it feels so good in here. And all I wanted was an a working AC in my car, it wasn’t an old car, it just was a broken AC, that’s all it was. And then about, I would say it was like a month later, I got a gift that I wasn’t expecting. And I got some money. And I realized, oh my gosh, I can get a car of my choosing for free. And I didn’t have to pay a dime for it. And it again, it’s that whole, you know, 95% of the time, it’s much better than you imagine coming to you. So why limit yourself into thinking that there’s a certain stopping point in terms of your desires coming to you, again, I didn’t think I would get a new car, or get money for a new car. But I just I was just so thankful that I was focusing on my AC working and then a bigger blessing came. And it’s the same thing. I mean, with recently with, you know, vote now moving to Cincinnati and working on our campus affair, you know, I just, I just tried to focus on how thankful I am for everything. But I also imagined myself, you know, experiencing what it is that I want to experience. And like you said it can work in a negative way as well. And I always love to use the bug analogy because yeah, you start filling he I mean even just talking about it, I want to scratch my leg right now even though I know there’s nothing there. But you know, your your body is not a solid, it’s tiny little particles just bouncing around all the time. So your perception is your reality. We want to think that things are a certain way, but they’re really not. And we’re the same energy that makes up the universe. And energy just influences itself. So you might as well be the master at it and influence it in a way to where you’re open to anything and everything coming to you and things that you want will come to you in a much better way. Well,

Brandon Handley 23:50
Jackie, Jacqueline, I need to plan this out. It’s got to be linear. I’ve got to have a plan needs to be my way. I’ve got to pay attention to the plan. I’ve got to act it out. What the hell? How? We’re out. Yeah. So what do you say?

Jaclyn Johnston 24:03
I’m the same way my, um, my grandpa is a Sicilian American. And growing up, he taught me everything happens in sequential order. So it again, it’s like you’re trained a certain way to expect things a certain way. And so you have to practice every day, even if it’s five minutes. Take those mental breaks that alarms in your phone to go off so that way throughout your day when you’re at work, you hear the alarm and you go, oh, mental break, and you just sit and relax. And you can meditate or you can just sit and write it out or type it on your computer. And just like focus on everything that you’re thankful for it can be literally because your coffee tasted extra good that morning, or it could be something even bigger. You know if you had a big bowl I think come your way, but I, I literally focus on how thankful I am that, you know, I have hands that work and, you know, legs that I can move and, and I just build upon that compound effect of, of building and don’t get me wrong I love to be in charge I love to take control. And I’m a planner. I’m a huge planner. And that’s okay. Because that’s what I did. I started looking for places in Cincinnati a week ago, and I thought, Oh, it would be cool to be over here. Oh, it’d be cool to be over here. But I didn’t attach myself to it. I just thought, Oh, I’m open to it. Same thing with Bruce Springsteen. I had a dream at night he pulled me up on stage was obviously during dancing in the dark. And in my dream, you know, it was great. It was fantastic. I woke up I laughed. I said, huh, that would be awesome. But oh, well, if it doesn’t work out, drove to work that day. And literally I kid you not one month to the day later, I was at his concert. He pulled me up on stage during dancing in the dark. Same thing habit.

Brandon Handley 26:16
I love it. Now what about somebody? Well, Jacqueline, that’s great. Sounds like you have a lot of coincidences in your life,

Jaclyn Johnston 26:23
incidences. So yeah, you can call them coincidences. You can call them blessings. You can call them forks, you can literally, like identify it, and symbolize it and have it represent whatever you want it to be your, your, your own limit. Because again, everything exists simultaneously in the universe. we collectively as a society, call a laptop, a laptop, but really, it could be a table.

Brandon Handley 26:57
Right? Like say, it’s just like, you know, call it what you need to call it. I’m gonna call it what I’m calling it, and it’s working for me. Right? I mean, that’s right. That’s the gist. And you know, it doesn’t have to be just because I come along, and I’m like, well, that’s coincidence. That’s whatever and like, doesn’t sound like you’re up for it. Right? I mean,

Jaclyn Johnston 27:15
you get to choose how it represents for you, you get to choose how you want to focus on it. And just because somebody says something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s actually a certain way. It’s their perception. And that’s their reality. Because, again, energy is just constantly bouncing around all day long throughout the universe, in colliding into itself, and shaping itself and molding itself. So you get to choose, just like if you were like, say your hand, for example, if you push on the skin on your hand, it moves and changes shape, because you’re influencing it, and you’re making that decision, but the universe it responds to you. So that’s why I say you’re your own limit. And you can call it whatever you want. Like in my new book, don’t feel stuck with money. I have the reader pick out their favorite song, and change up the lyrics. And you’ll change up the lyrics and put money or abundance in certain spots. And so that way, whenever you start hearing your favorite song, you you associate money with a positive thing rather than a negative thing. But it’s your choice. Either way, I think it’s hilarious. When law of attraction people try to say, Oh, no, you have to do it this way. And I’m like, Who says you have to do it that way. You say it has to be done that way, because that’s what you choose for your own reality. But there’s all kinds of ways you can manifest. I mean, you don’t have to write it down every single time. I like to write because for me, it works. But I type onto my laptop as well. And that totally worth. It’s just the whole point is just to get your mind to be more open and more accepting to whatever rather than things being a specific way, shape or form definition.

Brandon Handley 29:11
Fair enough. And I get you know, I guess that if you’re just looking at it in this specific way, shape or definition, that’s what you’re tuning your brain to right. That’s what you’re tuning your mind to. And that’s that’s the limitation, right? Those are confinements I believe his words, used earlier confinements to how, how this can show up in your life. And again, you’re like, Well, you know, here are the ways I suppose show up. Here’s what I see in my mind. This is what I accept as proof that it’s working. Whereas he just be like, again, letting it go. Right? Not be attached to the outcome. And chances of it showing up seem a little bit

Jaclyn Johnston 29:51
better. Yeah, because you you literally get what you expect and And that expectations, those are built through what beliefs and beliefs are built through what training to think and focus a specific way. And we go through school and we’re taught to learn how to write, and we’re taught to learn how to use mathematics. But it doesn’t mean that just because most people write with their right hand, that left handed people should write with their right hand, I’m left handed, I was ambidextrous as a child, my pick the lucky one, because everybody else was doing it the other way. It’s just a matter of Yeah, keeping your mind open and understanding that there is there’s no such thing as time. Time is, is really an it’s an observation between event A and event B. And that filler is what time is. But like I said earlier, anybody can have anything they want. And just because you see it happening for someone else, doesn’t mean that it can’t happen for you, you’re a human being just like they are. And just because you see them at a successful point, doesn’t mean you can’t get there yourself, you just have to give yourself some time and practice and use the compound effect we don’t see with our eyes, we see with our mind, our mind is the projector. And our eyes are the screens. And that’s how our anatomy is built. So if you can see it and envision it, and like feel good when you visualize it. And the more you do it, the less foreign it feels. And then therefore, you are able to accept it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
How key is attaching some emotion to this?

Jaclyn Johnston 31:54
Well, depending on if you want to, it depends, it just kind of depends on what kind of a outcome for your emotion that you want to feel. Do you mean for someone who wants to be in a positive state like most of the time in attaching to positive feelings? Or do you just mean in general?

Brandon Handley 32:15
So if I am attempting to manifest something and completely brain manifest a saint, I got all those intellect I’m like, Alright, yeah, I want that thing. I want that thing. I want that thing. Give it to me Give it to me, I see it, I see it, I see it. I’ve written like my man, you know, I’ve written off, but I’m not feeling anything, right? isn’t important. Can I do it with just like just thinking yeah? Or do I need to have some emotion involved? You

Jaclyn Johnston 32:43
can. It’s not as strong as an emotion. Because a thought is a fleeting moment. And so you don’t have much attachment to it. But a feeling you have a bit more attachment to it. And physical actions are even stronger vibrations. So I’m not saying that you can’t just sit on your couch and just think something. And I’m not saying that it can’t happen. It can’t happen. I mean, there’s a ratio to everything in the universe. So everything’s mathematics, there’s numbers. So it can happen. It’s just if you want to happen faster, then you want to envision yourself, doing whatever it is you want. And relishing in that moment and feeling thankful and blessed because the emotion is the stronger vibration.

Brandon Handley 33:36
I got it. Yeah, I’ve jotted this down, right, yeah, as you were trying to talk and you talked about, like the bow and arrow earlier. Like, it’s kind of like, your thoughts are the arrow in this scenario? And your emotions are kind of like what like sends it out? Right? Is that fair? Yeah.

Jaclyn Johnston 33:52
And for me, someone who has anxiety every single day, that that tension is the anxiety for me, it’s the stress of, of, Oh, I need, I need to know what’s going on. And I need to control because I’m a planner. And yeah, that’s true. But I always think like, why do I want to feel that way all the time. So so then again, it’s it’s a, it’s a journey, it’s something that you’re a student at all your life, because the more you practice it, practice the surrender, then you’ll start manifesting things, and then it’ll get a little bit easier. But also your desires get bigger, right? Because we always want more. So, exactly. So that’s why when, when I say I’m a master at the law of attraction, I’m a master at 99% because we’re always wanting more, and it’s always learning the growth and expansion through the art of surrendering. So yeah, so the arrow is, is definitely what you want. And the bow is like the union Verse saying, Hey, this is you know, this is me, this is how I operate, here’s the bow the framework. And then for me, the tension would be things it in the stress. But as soon as I let that go, it’s like, I pop the can have a, you know, one of those bubbly drinks. And it’s like, and I feel so much better because I released really, that need to control. And then the, it’s just like, boom, there it goes. Arrow arrow has left and it’s going in that direction.

Brandon Handley 35:33
Nice. The newest book is centered around what exactly,

Jaclyn Johnston 35:38
yeah, so I just published don’t feel stuck with money. And that is all about all the different ways you can manifest money. And I feel like, whether it doesn’t matter what the amount is, for me, it doesn’t matter. I just want more, right, we always want more money. So I go through different ways to manifest it. Sorry, to make the pun of my brand. But I, you know, again, I mentioned earlier, you know, playing around with lyrics to your favorite song. There’s also a kind of a fun exercise in there, about how, especially lately with the pandemic, you know, we’re encouraged to wash our hands more often. So I have a fun exercise. That includes being mindful with washing our hands, but also manifesting more money using a hand washing method. I also talk about and we do exercises with house chores. And I know that sounds like how do you manifest money with house chores. But there’s all kinds of fun ways to do you think. So this book is it’s a little different from the other two books that I previously published, in the sense that, like, I’m mixing it up with different actions that you can take, because I’ve learned over the last four years that you know, yeah, for me, writing into reality is really effective. But I’ve also learned there’s other ways you can take manifesting action and you can still manifest it.

Brandon Handley 37:18
Awesome. So what’s next for you in this journey?

Jaclyn Johnston 37:22
That’s a really good question. My podcast has been taking off so I’ve been collaborating with people who work in Hollywood and like some New York Times bestselling authors. So I’m going to continue doing the podcast it’s been fun for me and I have a fourth book that I’ve already written so I will get going on the editing with that and you know, I’m going to continue working in academia I really love it and I’m going to enjoy living in a whole new city and being with my boyfriend after you know being in a long distance relationship for the last four years. So I’m open to any and every blessing coming my way. And you know, every year I like to write out my goals for the year and then six months into it, I like to look at them mark off what I achieved and then start either modify that same list or start a whole new list and just be open to you know, things happening unexpectedly but in a good way because again, you either get what you want or something much better comes to you and it’s for you

Brandon Handley 38:39
nice no I love that I love that I was thinking the idea too that like if you didn’t get like one of those things that you really wanted like maybe that was the thing you were supposed to like you know that that it worked out correctly right like I always make the joke that like I’m glad I didn’t make a lot of money when I was younger because I probably would have like done some things and you know just wouldn’t worked out right like I probably would have done some stupid things right like i mean is that right fair enough fair enough. Well that’s like so gets this little part here where I just like to think about this podcast is kind of like this spiritual speed dating show right? Like somebody’s gonna show up and like I’m looking for my next spiritual they and Jacqueline you could be somebody who’s next spiritual date. Are you feeling up for a question or two? All right. Oh, come on what’s going on here so Bachelorette I know you’re not a real best spiritual Bachelorette. And maybe you are tied spiritually as well but just go with this right? Um,

do you ask enough questions, or do you settle for what? You know?

Jaclyn Johnston 39:54
I annoy people with all the questions I asked. Because I want to know why.

Brandon Handley 40:02
You go deep, you like to just keep asking you you like to keep asking.

Jaclyn Johnston 40:06
I’m a lot less talking a lot more action. So let’s just go to the why let’s just cut out the surface stuff.

Brandon Handley 40:14
Fair enough. Fair enough. What would you say is the biggest waste of human potential?

Jaclyn Johnston 40:22
That’s, that’s a very emotionally charged question for me, because I feel Honestly, I feel like the biggest waste is not being open to learning new ideas and new ways, because that’s again, your your own limit.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Yeah, the cellphone posters. So you’re saying like the self imposed limits? Just kind of murders? Yeah, for lack

Jaclyn Johnston 40:51
of a better way to use the analogy of, you know, there is no box, throw away the box. And I mean, I know it’s cliche, but I agree, there is no box.

Brandon Handley 41:03
Yeah, and that’s worked out for you, right? You’ve seen it, it’s showing up in your life. And that’s the way it living in life. And it’s working out, you know, working with actors, Hollywood, New York Times. That’s awesome. Right? So congratulations, like, on your journey. And just like kind of really stepping into it. And, you know, seeing it, I think that I think in for me anyways, I think the word is unfold, unfold has been like the best way to kind of hear people say it all the time. Like, you can go unfold, whatever, you know, but that’s how it just kind of happens, right? You start taking that action towards it. it unfolds in front of you. And like just the easiest sense of

Jaclyn Johnston 41:45
it. I had a I had a dog for 10 years, and he was my best friend. And he just passed away a couple weeks ago. And I thought to myself, Oh, my gosh, like, what am I gonna do? You know, I thought, Oh, that’s awful. I mean, it really is, has, it’s been really hard. And I’m not saying that because you master the law of attraction, you won’t go through hard things, we all go through hard things, because energy is constantly moving in all directions. So and that’s why success is not a one way direction or a one way street. But I thought, Oh my gosh, you know, my dog died. He was like, my security blanket. And, you know, I was feeling so lonely. And I thought, whoa, I mean, I, I’ve always wanted to bring my relationship with my sweet chemist, forward and more permanent, where we’re in the same city, and we’re living together. And he had a dog. And we always said, well, when our, when our pets are alive, we’re not going to do it. Because our pets were both really old. And, and then his dog died a couple months ago, and then my dog died. And I was just feeling so much loss. And I kept telling myself, you know, there’s a reason for this. And, and, like I said, you know, everything, just like quickly came together. I, the job I’m taking is a creative job. It’s a creative position. So I realized now that the reason why not saying that, you know, I would want my dog to die. But it was his time. He was old. And you know, he had cancer. So it was his time. But I realized now that the opportunity that has been placed before me to move across country, and to get a job that has higher pay, and be with my boyfriend every single day and move in together and all that, that, that is really and truly, it couldn’t have happened before because it would have just been too much with my sick dog. And it’s like we don’t understand in a moment, but then afterwards, we’re like, Hmm, okay, well, the puzzle pieces are coming together. Like you said, unfolding.

Brandon Handley 44:02
Yeah, no, at all, like the universe synchronized on your behalf. Right, and maybe not, in a way that and again, we don’t know how it’s gonna happen. Right? We just, you know, if we put faith in it happening for us, right, then then we don’t, that’s what we do. And then we step back. We’re like, all right, yeah. Show me what you got. Right? It’s

Jaclyn Johnston 44:25
not that it’s a say if you want to be a best selling author, it’s not that it

It can’t. You’re gonna have to read the book. Yeah. It may not happen overnight. Right.

Brandon Handley 45:09
Sure, for sure well Jacqueline this has been a pleasure thank you so much for showing up on where can I send people to find out more about you your books and your endeavors

awesome Jacqueline keep up doing what you’re doing I think a lot of people you know they need this and they need it from different people right? It’s like they’re not all gonna gravitate to the same person. And so you’ve got your crowd you’ve got your people you’ve got your audience that you speak to and a doing a tremendous job with this. So keep it up. Thank you so much what you’re doing.

You go Absolutely. Well, so you know, that’s well and hopefully that was all right for you. When we hit the things that

Positive TV Prabhat Gautam Spiritual Dope

The Goal of Positive Television is to generate publicity for the many individuals and organizations already making positive change and to assist developing groups and individuals flourish. Prabhat’s belief is that there are already many positive things being done all around the world, so creating programs and events will serve to inspire more people to get involved. Prabhat has said, “People have a fascination with all aspects of celebrity life, so I wanted to create a network that focuses on the giving done by celebrities and use that celebrity power for the highest good.”

Connect with Prabhat at https://positivetelevision.org/ or, if you have an idea, or enjoy this podcast, pick up the phone and give him a call @310-872-0669

Transcript below is machine generated

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Today I have with me Prabhat Gautam and you know, I’m gonna deviate a little bit, I’ll definitely let you know that for both comes from, you know, to me from positive television. That org it’s a positive television is something that provides has created himself and he connects with a ton of ton of different people and organizes lots of awesome events. But you know today I just want to I want to take a little bit of a deviation from just kind of doing the biographical statements I just wanted to say, you know, Rob came to me, by way of, you know, just kind of like a random introduction, you would you had introduced Kiko Ellsworth to the podcast, and I just wanted to reach out and say, thank you for that. And then it turned into, you know, kind of, you know, getting on the podcast, and I just thought that was really cool. Because you never know whose life you’re touching, right? When you do these podcasts and who you’re reaching out to. And, you know, even before we got started today, you’re you’re sharing that? Well, you know, you still listen to a podcast or two. And it’s always great to hear that, that what’s being sent out is being heard. So thank you for that for being a listener, but also for, you know, being a connector and also for the work that you do in the space that you are in, which we’ll certainly talk about, and for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:31
But thank you so much, Brandon, and thanks for creating this amazing platform. And, you know, when I heard episodes, I just I wanted Chico to be on there. Because, you know, Chico, last year did this amazing conference. And he’s looking for opportunities to talk about his spiritual journey. And I was like Brandon’s the guy, because the reality is what you’re doing with the whole spiritual junk movement and what you’re doing with your podcast. It’s really getting spirituality, I think, to a next level, or it’s real for people. And I think during our time today, we’ll talk about how you’re making it real for people. And it’s not just, you know, as we heard many times of your podcast, this out there thing that people aren’t practicing every day, you’re making it a practical thing. What you’re doing

Brandon Handley 2:19
now, thank you. Thank you. And I’m glad that that’s coming through, right? Because that’s absolutely the intent is how do we make this practical and less nebulous, and more of something that is in your life every day all the time? Right, there’s no separation. So since you have listened, then then you should know, right, the next piece is that the universe speaks to us. Right? And, and there’s somebody out there today that you know, is going to be tuned into the podcast. And there’s a message that is being delivered to and through you that that listeners are going to need to hear what is that message today.

Prabhat Gautam 2:57
I really deeply believe that. I want people to find what they’re just what they’re driven to do. And it may not need to be your occupation. But live more of that. If you’re a painter and you love painting, I’m not saying you need to quit your job and become a professional painter. But make time every week in your life to do that. If you love going to the beach, because it brings you joy, go once a week, once a month, like take your vacations there. So we know deep down what we’re drawn to like where there’s a magnet, we know what we’re getting what we feel deeper than we need to be around. And I think for the truth is, for a lot of us, it’s good people. It’s inspirational programming. So go find that stuff. So that’s what I hope people will do is, is do more of this stuff that really nourishes you and fulfills you. Because when you do that amazing, wonderful things open up in mostly you open up.

Brandon Handley 4:00
That’s awesome. So the I mean, the idea that the idea that simply do more of what you love, right, and it doesn’t have to be this doesn’t have to be the this thing where you throw everything away and just do this thing, right? Like you always hear people talking about burning bridges and let it all go right. But just just to find time and and make that time to to go do it. And the idea, I love the idea that it’s going to nourish and fulfill you, right? Yeah, I mean, just I mean talk a little bit more about what you mean by nourishment and fulfillment, right? What’s that mean to you?

Prabhat Gautam 4:42
Yeah, what it really means is it my three favorite analogies are always sports, dating and food, right? Those three things and they like when you think about when, when you’re in those worlds if you meet somebody you like them. You want to spend more time, right? There’s like this, this magnetism if you’d like somebody in sports, you do all this time to practice every day, because you’re preparing for the game. And if you go into a game, and you’ve never practiced your level performance, it’s just not gonna be the same level as your, as your competitors, and your teammates. And then obviously, in the food world, we’ve all done this, we’re all guilty of it, I’m still guilty of it, sometimes, you have this pack day, we have so much you have to do, you look up at two o’clock, you haven’t eaten anything, you haven’t drank juice, you haven’t, like, you know, you’ve not you’ve, you’ve basically gone through a 568 hours a day, with no nutrients, often no water, and that’s gonna affect your ability, like, it’s gonna affect your brain, it’s gonna affect your effectiveness. And the reality is, it’s gonna affect your mood, you’re not going to be as loving, as nurturing as thoughtful a person. So for me, everything comes back to, we know what nurtures us, we know what fills us. So when you know, in you what you need to be nurtured. And I know for me on the food level, I love quick snacks, like I love snack bars, I love to have juice in the morning. And that’s how I like to run my day. So if I’m not doing that, or not taking care of my basic nutritional needs, it’s going to impact what I’m going to be able to do for other people. I think you know, this brand, and even with your podcast, you might do multiple podcasts in a day. But if you’re not making any time for you, and your loved ones, it’s gonna affect your podcast, like you’re going to feel it, your energy levels is going to be a little lower, you’re going to be a little tired, you’re not going to have as much focus. And you’re doing this all the time. I think at a high level, I think you’re doing amazing work. But the truth is, can we all do things at a higher level? And how much are we holding ourselves back? When we’re not nourishing ourselves?

Brandon Handley 6:54
Yeah, I mean, that’s powerful. Right? Can I mean just, yeah, just the idea of, can we be doing something at a higher level, by by nourishing ourselves, right, by by adding the element of making sure that we’re taking care of ourselves, and that’s inclusive of taking care of our families. And, you know, as as, as, you know, look as a family, man, right? I can, I will definitely feel thrown off balance, if I’m not having that family time. Right. And it will definitely show up in everything that I’m doing, just like you’re saying. So what, you know, one of the cool things, I mean, you know, the, I know you through right, is the positive television piece, right, which you shared with me. Well, let’s talk a little bit about that. And how you got that spun up and organized. And what took you there?

Prabhat Gautam 7:42
Yeah, so for me, I grew up on the MTV era, right, in the, in the 90s. And I remember when I, I just loved it, you know, loved music videos, and just loved sort of it was this pop culture phenomenon. And I think, you know, getting out of college as like, Well, what do I want my life to be? And I went, and I did an internship with Amnesty International, but I thought my life would be putting these reports together about what’s happening internationally, and fixing, you know, atrocities, and how do we change the world? And then right before I finished college, I interned with the Vice President, the University, University of Oklahoma, and then I started writing out what would my dream world look like? And how would I want to be part of it? And I felt like media has this incredible power, to motivate, inspire, and get people to take action? So I thought, Well, okay, media can do that when they tell stories. And this is, you know, 1999. I thought, well, what if you’re actually intentional with your media? What if it’s not like, oh, there’s 29 minutes of local news. That’s depressing and terrible, and you’re scare? And the last 30 seconds are, you know, somebody saved the cat that went up a tree? What did we actually just did all positive stories, while we’re being realistic, that there’s a lot of terrible things happening in the world, but it’s always solution oriented. And that’s really sort of the impetus of what positive telogen turned into. So I moved out to LA in 2000, to create this television network. And again, I was young, I didn’t know what I was doing, which I honestly believe is the best place to be at when you don’t know what you’re doing. You just take steps step step. And you might take a wrong step, but it’s a learning step. So again, right? What I love to use words like failure and wrong, because I think so often people view those as negative. And I feel like if we own Hey, I failed, hey, I don’t I’ve made the wrong choices, then it’s like, Okay, well, then I know there’s a right choice to make. I know there’s a chance for success. So for me, you know, I believed in this world moved to Los Angeles to try to create this television network. And the next thing that happened is Tesla events. I’ve met all these people that I thought would help me build this network, and I ended up producing events and now 21 years later, I’ve produced 800 events in Los Angeles. with, you know, huge celebrities, usually super wealthy people. And and now when I look back in 1999, and 2008, a cable TV channel, but I saw a world where there’s no commercials where you’re just telling stories. And the reality is, there was no YouTube, there’s no Facebook, there’s no Google in 1999. Like, none of that existed in the way it exists now. So sometimes when you’re early, it’s really difficult because you think the world doesn’t believe in what you believe in. And later, you realize, like when I listen to podcasts now, and you watch YouTube videos, and you see Netflix, Amazon, there’s so much content that’s inspirational. It was like 1% of the content and 9099. Now, if you want to be surrounded by positivity all day, you can live in that positive bubble as much as you want. Which I think realistically, we need we need. After you’ve had a family member that’s passed, or something sad happened, you needed to be lifted up, and you need to be in a place of all positivity. And then when you come back to the regular world, where there’s some negative, some positive, you can start at 20 9010, you could really, you can curate your positivity in one of the podcasts that you did random that I loved was with Mr. Youngblood and you talked about Wish I love you said, if somebody finds a spiritual community, that doesn’t work for them, it’s not an indictment on that community or on you, it just isn’t a fit. So go seek out other communities. Because once you find your community, you’ll you know what you feel it. And sometimes the search isn’t the first door. It’s four doors, it’s eight doors, but every door taught you your resilience, and how bad you want to find your try.

Brandon Handley 12:00
Yeah, 100%. And thanks for that. Right. The idea is,

Unknown Speaker 12:05
I think once

Brandon Handley 12:06
you start to feel that spiritual pool, there’s kind of no stopping you. But there is, there’s the opportunity to find a community that you don’t really know identify with, or feel like you fit in with and you can keep moving again, like you’re saying beyond to to the next or the next word, there’s so, so many, so many places that you can go right now. That is just, it’s just amazing. And to your point, right? You know, we didn’t have YouTube, back in the day, we didn’t have Facebook, we didn’t have all these communities, we didn’t have all these things open to us, that we that we’ve got available right now. But I love the idea of what you’re saying too. And that kind of fear. If you’re a visionary, right? If you’re ahead of your time, you may feel like people aren’t believing in you, or you start to maybe doubt like your own vision and, and kind of what you’re going through. And it’s not that the world isn’t ready for you. It’s it’s getting ready, right? It’s like It’s like, it’s like getting dressed for the prom, right? It’s just gonna take, so it’s gonna take a little bit longer than you expected.

Prabhat Gautam 13:09
And I think too, sometimes it’s, I remember in college, but I just was flipping channels. Late at night, I saw the story about missing kids. And I said, Why are we not finding these kids? I never knew any kid that’s missing. I just saw this story. And it just impacted me. So I started writing letters to Oprah and Rosie O’Donnell and CNN and said, We need to like find these kids, like don’t show photos of them. Let’s incorporate it into your programming. And I remember getting all these letters back where they’re like, Oh, yeah, you know, we tried to dress it. We’re doing this, we’re doing that. I remember, I did a mock up of what I thought that look like. And it was this television network where all the commercials would be little ads at the bottom, there’d be no real commercial just be like, you know, it’s basically what’s a banner ad on and, and the internet now. And I remember kind of writing everything up and saying I think the future is going to be a ton of content like you know, when john f kennedy was killed you see the the story with a reporters telling you know, Walter Cronkite tells the story. I want to watch the whole news coverage before that last minute where he says that, so we’re gonna find that archival footage, and I thought eventually there’ll be a video outlet somewhere where you find out archivable news footage. I had no idea what YouTube would be would be silly videos and, you know, cat videos or whatever else. But it’s also what you were saying. It’s highly educational, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all these things. They can suck up your day and 19 hours are wasted. Or it can be inspirational. You’re growing, you’re learning you find your community of people, so many wonderful friends who live in that social media space. They work in that space. They’re there in you know, they’re influencers, that space. They have people that they know every aspect of their life. They’re friends with that they Never met face to face. And I think, isn’t that a beautiful thing like you’re creating pen pals all over the world that you’re connected with. And for me, I in social media, where I, you know, I like to put stuff out, I don’t spend a lot of time interacting on social media. But again, I think that’s, that’s a product of my age, I think that’s sort of, I come from a world of AI Still, if there’s somebody is doing something cool, like what you’re doing brand or something, something, Hey, you guys should know about this person. I cold call people. I’ve done that for 30 years. And I think, you know, when I meet these Gen X, Gen Z kids, they’re like, what’s called calling like, you find somebody that’s doing something that’s really amazing. You send them an email, or a phone call, or you just pick up a phone, and you call them and say, Hey, I love what you’re doing. This is why I love it. And sometimes divided, it can be a reason why you are going to work together, you’re just telling them, Hey, I respect what you’re about. And sometimes those things lead to amazing friendships. You know, you can work with those people. At the very least, they got encouragement, I think, you know, we’re in a world of we all love being encouraged. We love positivity. But I think part of that equation is we need to put that out, we need to be encouragers. So when you see somebody say something positive, that’s really, you know why I’m so excited about this world of this guy, I think it’s a whole new media phenomenon where, where it’s not four channels is that you know, four channels that dictate to you what you learn, you get to pick what you want to learn every day of your life. And if you don’t want to learn what I remember, in 2003, I had a good friend who is Episcopalian, and she would do lat so I said, I want to do let you know, I my backgrounds, cultural anthropology, so I gave up all TV for a month. Well, it happened to coincide with the first with the the Gulf War, the 2003 Gulf War. And I remember thinking, I’m so lucky, I missed that. Because how negative was that seeing bombs thrown on people and death and, and just sort of be in a constant state of fear, where you know, just happen to coincide with the time I, it’s the only year I ever did lab. But that LED will always be memorable to me, because I grew up, you know, when you’re in Ramadan. I’m not trying to be Catholic or Episcopalian or Muslim. But Ramadan, I said, I want to see what this journey is for people that do that. And I learned so much understanding for what people go through, that really don’t eat for the day. Because they don’t have access to food, I get to do it as a chance for me to grow. And, you know, try to see what a billion people in the world are doing. But realistically, there are people who don’t eat a meal a whole day, there’s children that don’t eat. So if I can grow as a person and can walk in their shoes, or if even it makes me a better person,

Brandon Handley 18:02
right? No, I love that. I love the I love the idea of, you know, just trying to walk in somebody else’s shoes for for a period of time, you know, going through, I’ve never done land. I’ve never done Ramadan, right. And one of the things that I certainly encourage my family to do with my children is to research other cultures, right? Go research other cultures outside of America. And you know, what, what did they do? What do they celebrate? What does that celebration? What are those kids eating this week? Right? What does that look like for them? And this is something that I took from one of my history teachers way back in the day is like, why something like some type of food that that culture makes? And let’s, let’s eat that. Let’s make that meal, right? Like, what goes into that? And kind of where does it come from? And the background of it. And so, definitely love that. One of the things that, you know, I don’t think that we really hit upon you do events, what type of events the Do you know, with with these 800 events? What kind of events are they?

Prabhat Gautam 19:03
Yeah, so it’s really it’s a charity space. So it’s, it’s a ton of fundraisers. So in 2008, I did a fundraiser for group called kind kids in need of defense. So undocumented children that are that are picked up by ice angelyn it’s one of Angelina Jolie’s charities. So that was amazing. And she wasn’t there. So we didn’t get to get married. So I’m still sad by that. I think she was a bad dad at the time anyway. But But you know, I guess put that together. I’ve done so a lot. First stars with foster kids. That’s something I’m passionate about. And then a bunch of the animal charities gentle barn, Farm Sanctuary, Humane Society, like there’s just so so it’s really my sort of focus is what’s the group that doesn’t have a voice and then how do we give them a voice? So it’s animals, it’s people, it’s it’s people abroad, right. Like, I think even people here you know, it’s women and domestic violence. They don’t feel like they have a voice. It’s Kids. So that’s so much of it. So I’d say the majority is, is definitely fundraisers. And then along with that, what I love is doing documentary launches, doing book launch events, restaurant launch events, like the whole thing of getting people there to celebrate. I just I love that. So that’s really what I looked back at 21 years and 800 events. But there was one month, September 2007, I did 30 days of events. So I just because I’d never done that, I said, I want to challenge myself, I’ll do an event every single day that I produced. And we’ll never do that, again, probably. There’s a lot of time. But But definitely, it was amazing, because I teamed up with all these other people and said, Hey, I’m doing this month of events come up with a really fun idea. And there’s a woman she she made, you know, a little vegan baked goods, and she wanted people to rollerblade I don’t work. But now I see that she made these big guns, she gave him away for free. people showed up there probably the weather. And says like, that’s fine, you know, and there’s some fundraisers obviously during that month, but a lot of it’s just, I think my passion is how do you help people figure out their community? How do you grow community that how do you use community to do maximum good in the world. And I think what we all know is we all have, you know, whether people have the financial resources to help, or they can just share a video share a story, there’s just we have, we have the ability to help raise awareness, and you know, sign up people, my friend, she metal has a whole movement called raising their vibration, who I’m definitely going to introduce you to Brandon, you know, she has a whole radio thing with la talk radio, but that’s her whole thing. It’s like she does, you know, public events, how do you raise vibration in the world? So, to me, it’s that all comes back to it’s, it’s just bringing more positivity and, and I’m an obsessed connector. So how do we connect people, and then get them to do more good, because, you know, once I meet people like, hey, Brandon, I’m a kid, this person has a great podcast, who are the people I know beyond that, then if I meet somebody that’s a chef, and they went out there doing a cookbook? Well, who do I know, there are photographers to help them with their books. So I’d say so much of my work is people reaching out to me, because they have a project, and they don’t know how to move it along. And then I help them make it happen.

Brandon Handley 22:25
That’s awesome. And I love that, you know, it’s kind of like, you’ve got this, you know, gift of being able to see kind of what’s good and everyone and to be able to connect the goodness as it is. Right? And, and to help them to, to scale that out is what it sounds like, right? You know, if somebody doesn’t know, you know, they’ve got a great idea, or they, you know, and they just want to give to the community, and then you’re able to help them kind of put that together in some way, shape, or form. And really, what you’re doing is raising vibration.

Prabhat Gautam 22:58
But thank you, I mean, some things I’m excited, you know, people need for like helping with a documentary Forks Over Knives. They’re really the documentary game changers, I helped introduce those producers, to some funders, they’ll pay for it. And it’s a lot of people that are pieces of puzzles, I just saw people just really honest with and they just say, Hey, this is our budget, you know, we would love to hire you bring you in to help us do this event. But you know, we also need to raise funds for the project. So we’re strategically, what do you think we need to do? And I can sit down with them, and I’m honest with them, and I say, you know, these steps, and you know, this is what, from my experience of 21 years of events, where I think you’re gonna have the best opportunity. So much of what I talk to people about is go to friends and family first, when you have an idea. I know a lot of times, our family’s not encouraging. And that’s why a lot of people get into these spaces where they want to help. But I think give them a chance to say no, because if you don’t go to them, it’s a no, if you go to them, and they say yes. And I’ve met with people, they say, Oh, well, my best friend’s father is a multimillionaire, but you know, I don’t really want to go to them to help. But I have this idea, but I have no funding. And I would say to them, go to your friend’s father, because maybe he won’t give you a million, maybe they give you 5000 10,000. But if he gives you 10 or 20,000 for your project, well, then you start it. And once you started, it’s just the philosophy of take a step every step you take, because what I’ve seen over and over and over again, is when people are the idea phase, we’re still used to people talking about ideas, and it doesn’t turn into anything. But when you take action, people don’t want to hear Oh, I want to go from Los Angeles to Washington DC. They’re like I bought a ticket to go from LA to DC. I don’t know what I’m gonna do when I get there. I don’t know how to you know, there’s a whole environmental movement that happened a couple years ago where people went out there, but once you bought the ticket, people are more likely to be on board and I’m not Use your savings to buy that ticket. But if you don’t take that first action step, people don’t believe you’re, you’re really going to do it. But once you take that step, that leap of faith, people feel like, wow, this person’s committed, what can I do to help them? So I think, give people opportunity to help you. But it starts with what’s your action step? And I tell people all the time do Kickstarter do Indiegogo do don’t fund me, again, you may only raise 2000. That’s 2000 more than you started. But what’s gonna happen is you’re now putting it out to everybody. You know, this is what I care about. This is my passion. And now, that person that’s your friend for five years, who is going to be able to donate, but their friends friends friend has XYZ that you need to help with your project. Will you just why do we need money? We need money to move things along. Right? It’s a currency, right? Right. It’s right, it’s water. So if you if you have the raft, you go out to the water and you know how to swim. It’s important. You know how to swim, swimming lessons, then get out there and be with other persons cool. They’re there after swimming. But what are they swimming for? Like I remember years ago to get friend, she had to do a walk from LA to Washington, DC to raise awareness about a bunch of issues. And I said, Okay, that’s good. Are you serious that I want to do is about children’s issues or health issues. Next thing you knew my friend Peter Samuelsson, I tell him about, he said, He’s trying to raise awareness about homeless issues. He said, Well, can he push this portable homeless cart at his organization? He darn EDR everyone deserves a roof as part of my job is to help push it. Next thing in the process is the owner the Philadelphia Eagles. Jeffrey Lurie. Yeah, here, we got Jeffrey Lurie on board and Phil are the Eagles doctors, we’re going to be her personal doctors on our wall. Wow. And it all became real. And then she’s like, wow, am I really going to do this. And obviously her family got scared. She and in the end, she ended up deciding to go to the grad school route versus the walk across the country for a few months. But for her, she needed to know people believed in her. And, and she’s this amazing activist. And sometimes what you need is not what you believe to happen to happen. You need to know people believe in you. I think for her, she was in tears. She’s like, Peter got Whoopi Goldberg on board. He said, Well, we’re doing this event in Philadelphia, why don’t you instead of kicking off in LA kick off in Philadelphia. And then let’s have Whoopi Goldberg announced your walk, and you start in Philadelphia. And she was like I said, you have Whoopi Goldberg, you have the Philadelphia Eagles owner and their doctors on board. You don’t need to raise $5,000 or $10,000. You raise awareness. And through that awareness, you’re gonna be able to raise a bunch of money.

And you’re gonna raise so much awareness for these causes. So I just tell people, let everybody in your circle know what you’re doing. Right? And if they feel like it’s authentic and genuine, don’t you know this rant like doors, open doors always.

Brandon Handley 28:11
It’s so true, right? Just like you’re saying, as soon as and as soon as you take that first action, like you’re talking about take that first. That leap of face is like, I call it like the signal to the universe, like, Alright, I’m doing this thing. Or like the fallback thing, I’m gonna need you to catch me, right, like I’m taking, I’m putting this foot down, I’m gonna I’m gonna head in the direction that I told everybody I was gonna head in. I’m gonna need like universal backing, could I go ahead and get that and, and it shows up. And it shows up in such amazing and powerful ways. I mean, I still like kind of well up about I mean, even connecting with you and connecting with all the people that I’ve gotten to connect with on this podcast and all the other podcasts. It’s, it’s just so amazing. What will open up if you’re willing to, like you said earlier, open yourself up to it. Right? So absolutely.

Prabhat Gautam 29:06
All of these things. Yay. Right? Like we were newly friends, right? Friends forever now. And now it’s like who the amazing people that are going to be inspired by your podcast, but I’ll send you an email, Hey, bring that up. person’s cool. I’d love to connect with them. Yeah, and then vice versa, right. like Nike goes through me. Now Kiko is gonna hopefully tap you in his network about the book, but his conference in the next year when he does a live conference, you know, last year, he did a virtual one, but he does a live one. Well, I’m sure he’s gonna want you to be part of it. So it’s like, you just see that these are the beginning of relationships that are for your life. And again, we’re all in different cities, but it’s an the paradigm has shifted in such a profound way that we don’t need to be next door neighbors in the same block, but we can literally be anywhere in the world and communicate and connect people to want to Now that are in all these amazing things out and I mean, I, I really am just such a strong believer in when he said to the analogy of somebody falling backwards, fall backwards, it’s good to know at least one person will catch you. But all you need is one, if one will catch you, then that means there’s two, there’s 10, there’s 100. And there’s 100, people don’t catch you. You don’t need to fall backwards. Now you’re all moving forward together, you’re all running, you’re walking, you’re running your you know, walk, jog, run, and then now you’re the marathon. And now you’re raising all this awareness consciousness about all this dollies, right? Like, and I tell people all the time, I don’t care what your passion is, I really don’t like my passions. I don’t care what your passion is. Just figure it out, find it. If I can help you find a quicker, I want to be part of that. And a good friend years ago, she said, If you met somebody that want to be a hairdresser, you do everything to help her start her hairdressing salon. I said, Yes, I would. And I don’t have any desire to go to hairdresser. But I think if you see people’s passion, you want to help nurture that you want to be part of that. And, and to me, it all goes back to I in the world of business, right? They’ll say, Oh, you just introduction to this, will you get a cut of the deal? I want, I don’t want 10% of people’s joy. I want 1,000% of their joy like to know you help somebody find their passion and you’re part of it. You don’t need them to tell you that you don’t need plaques, just to see their life, see them excited to know you are part of that journey. And everybody they’re ever going to talk to you are part of that. And vice versa. They’re part of your joy. What’s that worth? That’s bazillions. Like that, that’s such a higher level value than any amount of money.

Brandon Handley 31:46
Now 100% you I mean, you can’t you can’t buy that, right. And it’s, it’s it’s a challenge to instill that in someone who doesn’t have it too. But even though it’s already there, right, you can see it for them. And like you want to help them to see that in themselves. Right? Like you’re talking about that light, getting them to explore it and maybe needing that encouragement like is that somebody says they want to be a hairdresser. You’re like, Yeah, let’s go right? Like, you all you need is just that little, I always think about like the tiny seeds in the in the cracks of cement and sidewalks, right? They there’s like nothing around them, which is about just the tiniest amount of nurturing, right? nutrients, it gets them to blossom and grow in that in that place, which you know, to me, it speaks to us as well, right? As humans, it’s just a little bit of encouragement to go do that thing you said you wanted to do. And I bring this up because some of my first podcast came about right, I had a coach and, and I told her I want to do a podcast and I was expecting I was expecting her to say, well, that’s a dumb idea you really shouldn’t deviate from from doing doing that. And instead, she’s like, Alright, well, what can I do to help? And I was like, What? Yeah, right, it’s just and that’s all you need is just a little bit of that type of encouragement to, to go and find and do the things that you love, but to have the support with other people with you. That’s, that’s, you know, that makes it tenfold and beyond. So the other piece that we were talking about before, we figured out our technical challenges today was the idea that, you know, you know, I think you seem to be in a pretty good spiritual place, you know, seem like you’re, you’re feeling pretty happy. You’ve got like, you know, your light that you shine to help other lights shine. But you talked a little bit about like a lot of these people that you help with these events that are sad. Right. And and let’s talk a little bit about that, since you brought it up earlier.

Prabhat Gautam 33:46
Yeah, so yeah, you know, years ago, you know, I met Andy dick, who’s, you know, pretty known for his drug and alcohol addiction, right? So we became friends. And then then we had, we had a gallery in Hollywood together. And I remember, you know, just seeing that world of fame, and how so many people like they want to seek that out, right? They want to, and like in any other ad, his brother dies, get a relapse and got back into drinking. And I remember when

I was like, 3am, one night, and I said, Ken is what your legacy to be. Because as far as we know, right? We’re all going to be gone one day, what’s your legacy? And he said, I want to prevent people from the hardships I had. I said, Andy, what does that look like? Is that a bug? Is that a toward you? When I speak to college kids, so they’ll never get it? He said, love to do that. I said, so you know, I’ll send them encouraging text still on that end. We got to that book, because he wants to help get people out of the pitfalls he got into. And I think so often in the world of celebrity, no, I I interviewed Jim Greenberg. He’s donated 40 40 million to charity. amazing person, right. And he’s always in a place of giving and high level celebrities, you know. And what you realize is people think they want to have these people’s lives and they miss that. Jim is talks about when you’re a philanthropist, he said, every day of my life, people are pitching projects that they need funding for. And I have to think, who do I find them utilized often, and whoever I don’t find, they may not be able to get the help they need. And he said, I only have limited resources, no matter how much money I have, I still can’t find everything you said the majority of his time is on the phone with other donors trying to get them to help fund projects. So you know, he figured out the areas he wants to focus on, he tries to encourage more people as they’re growing their wealth to give the money away. And I think we look at it from an outside like, oh, when you’re famous, or when you’re rich, your life’s gonna be easy. And you’re cater to one of the people misses. There’s a loneliness a lot of people with wealth and fame have. And there’s also this world where, when people come to them, they always need something. And so, you know, I remember when when Jim moved into his house in Los Angeles, the first week he moved in, I brought I brought over Amy’s soups, who are on his, I said, Jim, you’re worse cook than me, I want you to have easy since he does warm a lot, you know, and I’ve been vegan since 1999. He’s vegan plant based, now for a while. So I’d say these are easy soups, you throw them in the, you know, you heat them up on the stovetop, that’s good. And, and I said, he doesn’t need me to bring him soup. He’s a super wealthy person. But I said, we’re legitimately friends, I would do that for any friend, whether they have $1 or a million dollars. And and I think we just got to be in a place of, of not having this idol worship. And I think you know, what I love about what you’re doing your podcast, Brandon is, it’s, it’s making spirituality real for people. Because I think too often, they think the pastor is amazing at their church, they think the spiritual teacher of this yoga practice is amazing. Well, what happens to that person is a scandal, which they do. So when the person you look up to is flawed? Do you throw out your whole spiritual practice? Because they’re a flawed individual? Or do you say, okay, they were trying to teach something good, but they themselves didn’t even get the fullness of what the lesson is. So I think, you know, I think I said to a good friend recently, these are systems, religion is a system, right? These spiritual practices systems, that people can be bound within the system. And there’s a group of people who see outside of the system, and the system can still help heal, you can help you grow. I say all the time. If somebody has a drug addiction, alcohol addiction, they’ve been through a lot of trauma. I want them to find organized religion, if that’s going to help them do it. I think there’s deeper beyond that. And maybe I’m wrong, but I think there is. So I think whatever you need to break, whatever is holding you back and do that. But ultimately, I want people to find just, I think there’s a direct pathway for people, when when you find good people find them. When you find encouragement, buying them. However, people want to describe these things, energy, God, whatever, you know, atheist, it’s like it’s love. It’s goodness, I think it’s inconsequential. The the labels we put on stuff is me coming from a cultural anthropology background, there’s different words for everything. There’s cultures, they have no word for snow, so to snow, because it is the smell of those those communities. So snow exists, the fact that they don’t have a word for it doesn’t mean that they’re lesser or they’re devoid of smell, you know, I think we get so caught up in the semantics, the word the word games, and, and people are so busy trying to convert to their one segment of their view. Or really, I think the real work is encourage people to find what is working for them, be loving, be nurturing. And if they’re in a path, you don’t like that they’re on delay, they’ll find their way. And I think there’s, I think there’s an element of people, where there’s a missionary element where they want to convert everybody to the one practice. But what happens when you grow your practice, you brought all these people to practice that doesn’t even work for you anymore. So instead of trying to bring them to your practice, tell them what works for you. Be honest about it. Tell them any sort of issues you ever had in your journey. And be honest about it. And then if they find this in practice, great if they don’t, you being honest, is so genuine. You know, I think for me, for me being vegan for 21 years, I tell people that there’s some of those vegan cheeses, meats I didn’t like at the beginning. I don’t sell it as Oh, everything’s great here. I’m like, these are the things I like these are the things I didn’t like. This is why I liked it. And this is where, you know, my vegan role is improved. And I think a lot of people resonate with that more because it’s a real commentary on my journey. And I think the same thing for for you, Brandon, what are you talking about is you know, you’ve gone through the podcasts you revamped, you changed and stuff, you learn you, you didn’t wake up one day, and you’re the next year, Rogen, you woke up one day and started it, modified it live life, modified it live life modified it, where you’re at today, maybe different the reaction years from now, but where you’re at today is where you feel drawn to be at. So to me, that’s your journey, you’re supposed to be doing what you’re doing. Right? You see it, you feel it?

Brandon Handley 40:41
Yeah. And so it’s impossible not to. Yeah, right. Once you, once you once you, once you do be in the field that draw that pool into where you’re going, I always say to the, if I’m still talking the same talk, and saying the same things in 10 years, and something’s probably wrong, that I’m not learning, maybe, right. Like, I’m like, I always, you know, I throw that out there. And then I’m going back to kind of earlier in the conversation just in the in the whole idea of, if you don’t know how to do it, start doing it now. Right? Because you, it’s almost better that you don’t know anything, right? And you just start to do it and you start to do what feels right for you. I love I love what you’re saying about the whole idea of, you know, in this, you know, I was certainly you know, against here, initially, you know, kind of falling into the spirituality spaces like, Oh, you got to do this way you do that do this, this is this is the way, right and it’s not right. If that was my understanding of my path at that time, you have your very, very, very own path. And it’s up to me to encourage you to follow your path, share some of the practices, like you’re saying that that I have found that have worked for me, and they’re called practices for a reason, right? Because I’m practicing them and I’m practicing, you know, implementing them in my life. And maybe one day, I won’t use these same things anymore. And

Prabhat Gautam 42:11
then I remember when people talking to me about yoga, I was like, it’s just still I can’t do it. I’m like, I’m gonna fall asleep. But I had a good friend who she said to me, meditations, whatever you want it to be like, when you’re on a train, if you if you’re closing your eyes, you’re listening to music, and it gets you in a calm state, that’s your meditation. And really, it broke, for me the rigidness of it all. And I realized, like, we want people to find calm and peace within. And especially in a world of this hustle bustle you’re running around all day. So if you close your eyes to three times a day, and it’s calming you and you know, if you’re, when you’re in the shower, you close your eyes, or you just enjoy the water, or when you’re in the morning, right having a bowl of cereal or you’re like you’re having whatever you’re having. And you’re like watching, you know, YouTube videos, if your favorite singer, if it brings you joy, and it’s uplifting you, I always say my life philosophy is the Sheryl Crow song, if it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad. Because I think people should seek out what makes them happy. And then when they realize it’s empty, then you need to pivot. And be really honest with yourself, I tell people all the time that they want to be a loan and make as much money as they can make, go out and go on that path. And then when you find that it’s empty for you, you realize, okay, you need to make money to live, it’s good to have money. So you can, you know, take a trip you have as good as some savings. You know, that’s, that’s that’ll make your life easier. But this pursuit to be the richest, most famous, the most everything person is getting ended up where you’re not going to be that one day, you know, be the richest, prettiest, smartest, everything is famous this person. And then once you lose it, you’re like, well, who am I? And then you realize that’s a question should ask a lot, who am I and find that, and then let all the other things sort of take care of themselves. And I mean, one thing I definitely, you know, when I listen to your podcasts that stuck out to me that I was like, I got to talk to Brandon about this. Because either you’re it’s gonna resonate with me, or resonate with you? Well, we’re gonna have a really good debate. I hope for the latter, but I think it’s going to probably resonate is my critique of sort of this new world of spirituality, whatever the last 2025 years, is, it’s too much of a multi level marketing plan. You gotta sign up 10 friends, and they’re going to sign up to France, we’re all going to become really wealthy, and we’ll get a piece of it, which really, I think the way it should be is just to live your life, live your life, be who you are. And when that happens, you’re not going to sign up 10 friends, you’re gonna sign up one person is going to see what you’re doing. They’re gonna be inspired by it. They’re going to go find 1000 people, they’re going to find whoever and the reality is there is no Hey, you’re going to get a percentage. This is it. We’re not selling a product. We’re Trying to uplift generations to come. You’re trying to, you’re trying to create light in the world and created a positivity for generations, well beyond where our lives. So if that happens, there’s no scorecard, like, you know, if you’re inspirational, you know, when people reach out to you, right? And they tell you, oh, your podcast inspired me. Oh, for me, I got the word people like, here, that was so amazing. I got to meet some of the most amazing people. But people have said to me, they’re like, because, again, my events, I, during events, all if I think, oh, wow, this person’s here, that person’s there, they need to know each other. So all of you in person introductions, I’ll say, this is why I think you need all the email introductions of people person, any person via this, why I think you guys should meet each other. But when you know, they end up creating amazing, wonderful projects together. Do you get that inspiration in you? So I think sort of my critique of sort of this

new spiritual world or last 30 years of spirituality or what’s presented is there’s I do think people, there’s nothing wrong with selling products, making money, doing coaching, all that stuff’s good. Like, I think it’s we need people to like to live in their their spirituality every day of their life. But I think when it ends up being, well, you got to be happy every second of the day. No, you shouldn’t be if somebody close to us passed away, and you feel no sadness. I question your real journey. You should feel sad, when somebody close to you says, they just went through a breakup or they were in a domestic violence relationship. Your reaction should be how do I help you? Oh, I feel terrible for you. Have you gone to counseling? Do you need a place to stay? What are actionable steps to help you? And you should, you should feel their sadness? And again, you know, in that moment, maybe you’re not crying, but you’re figuring out action steps. But I think real humans are not happy 24 hours a day, real humans? You know, question? Am I doing what’s right? I think checking in with yourself is so important and saying yourself, Is this the right thing for me to do? And something that you did for I remember, I was in college, and University of Oklahoma, I did a cable television show for four years. And it was so much of my identity. And one day, I was like, This feels like work to me, I’m not enjoying it anymore. What do you think what changed is because I knew I was going to leave college, I needed to leave to start my life somewhere else. And no, it’s Los Angeles in 1998 99. I just knew I was gonna leave. And I think you start preparing yourself. And again, this many years later, I’ve been involved by documentaries. So that television world has been part of my life. But it needed to change I needed to leave. You know, it’s always like, you got to close some doors to open new ones. And one of my philosophies that I’m obsessed with is, is is owning the word quitting. You have to quit relationships, it to quit jobs, you have to quit things that are not the most fulfilling thing for you with the belief that something more fulfilling is going to happen. And I think so often people leave relationships, when they meet the next person, they quit a job because they found the next job. It’s like, one of the best things ever did is I started working part time at a job I was in for four years, because I knew I was ready to leave. And that allowed me to transition into all the advanced stuff that I’ve gotten into. So I think preparing yourself without fully knowing what the next thing is, and taking that step in like freeing up the time thing that’s so important

Brandon Handley 48:41
that I think that we’re doing something right being okay to let go being okay to let go of that thing. Because you know, it’s no longer fulfilling and knowing that and hoping or at least, it at least shot the thing that’s no longer fulfilling, right? Just drop that like it, just go do something else, there’s, there’s going to be something else that that will take that space for you. Right energetically or whatever. And, you know, to your point I want to I will definitely want to jump in on the the the spiritual MLM spray and the idea. Listen, when I first you know, I don’t know, when I first started podcasting, I always say that I started for the wrong reason. It was like that, right? I started it for the wrong reasons. But as I grew and evolved or you know, change whatever happened throughout that podcast, I would say that, you know, I did the right things for the wrong reasons. But through that time, like my heart, you know, I was like myself to the Grinch. My heart grew two sizes too big to the process. Yeah. And you know, I just really understood more about what it was that I was trying to give. I understood more about the idea that, you know, I want to just give this freely as I can for right now because if I do it, and I attach what it is I’m doing to you Kind of for monetary gain, or at least, you know, monetary gain in the sense that it has to be done. There’s desperation behind that feeling right. And I couldn’t just do it naturally and just be like, this is this is what’s really coming through me now. And and there is no. And people like, you know, kind of what’s your endgame was like, I don’t know, this is this is just what I’m doing right now. And I’m connecting with amazing people. And I’m getting to hear amazing stories from other people. And it’s my hope that there’s somebody else out there that, you know, the next robot is the provocateurs listening today, right, that says, hey, you know what, I want to get involved in the communities the way that you have, I want to, I want to, you know, find my way forward the way that you you have, and then that person is inspired right to follow similar footsteps, right for themselves, but like, be led by you to that place. And just by virtue, you and I are having a conversation, and it’s possible, and that’s why I love to do what I do.

Prabhat Gautam 51:02
So beautiful. I think what you said is, is the reality of like, like, it’s all a journey for everybody. And, and at the time, you knew you needed to get in this work. I think there is a thing, okay, well, there’s production cost, there’s gonna take time, right, early podcast, I mean, you’re buying super expensive microphone, like all that stuff. It’s like, well, I’m putting money out well, how can I make that money back? And I think in you know, and it really is that whole world where people tell you like what we do this? Well, you gotta like really an easy more ad based needs to be destiny, like everybody transit advice, and 99% of the people I tell you their advice, they’re not making money off what they’re getting advice for. Like, it’s, it’s I almost feel like it’s a world full of single and recently divorced people giving dating advice, like, it’s what do we do? Like, we need, like, I want to talk to the person who’s been happily married for 30 years, about the struggles they’ve had off and on for the 30 years, but they’re like, every day I wake up, and no, there’s no other person I want to be with and this person. And during that day, that maybe a few minutes were like, there’s no this person I don’t want to see in the next five minutes. But then they go back to there’s no other person on the view, like the reality of what their journey is. I think that’s just a beautiful real thing. But I just think so much of the spiritual MLM world is oh my gosh, do this do this. Like my friends friends cousins, friend made $10 million off of an insight can meet your friends, friends, cousins, friend, because so often these are like their their stories that are just to get more people signed up. And it’s sort of the carrot. It’s like, if you have really good water, let me try the water because I want we all want good water. Yeah. To this great plains, ever, it is like detergent, that’s chemical free. Let me try it. Like, like, I have friends for years, like, well, you should get in a world of where you sign people up. I’m like, No, if I like it, I’m gonna buy it, I’m gonna give it to my friends that they want to buy and get if they don’t, that’s fine. Like, just give me good stuff that you think’s gonna, like, uplift my life. And then you guys can sign them all up under you. But I’m and I their friends for years, they’re like, Oh, we have such a great network, you’re the perfect person to be in whatever it is like real estate or sales or like, you know, you can, there’s so much money, you can move here, they’re like, I don’t have any, I want to move money into making a difference. That’s what I want to do. That’s, to me, I’ve been able to do that in the charity space. So it’s like, that’s what I want my life to be. And if other people meet these amazing people at events that I do, and they can figure out how to monetize it will get and when you monetize it, hopefully you remember where you met them, and then give some of that money to the charity. That was the event that you had. And if you don’t do well, hopefully you have a really good life and you’re happy and he raised amazing kids like I look at it as I this don’t fixate on what are your treasures before your, your buried, I look at your treasures are with the people that you interact with every day. And in the end. The goal is, you know, I mean, I just tell people, right, your goals at your funeral to have all these lives that got changed. I remember a lady I met Jeanette the boss when I was in college, and she told me this amazing story. Jeanette was probably in her 60s, she was the cable station that I did my white college cable show up and she said when her mother passed away, so many people came up to her at the funeral and said, you know, your mom helped us this time. You know, your mom, let us stay at our house. You know your mom, we struggle financially. She did this. She’s like, I didn’t know my mom did 10% of that stuff. My mom is so much more incredible person I realized. And she in Jeanette was amazing, incredible person. But it’s like you see you see that? What she was like and that’s like that’s what you should want your funeral to be where everybody’s like, wow, Brandon’s amazing. He did all this stuff. And you know, when he was He was doing stuff when there was no parade, you know, own didn’t do a show around. Before he was big, he was helping people. And then he got big and he’s big time he wouldn’t return your calls. But that’s

Brandon Handley 55:12
what a jerk. What a jerk.

Prabhat Gautam 55:14
Always be there for people. But I think it’s like, it’s who you are them I say like who you are when nobody’s looking? Right? That’s your character.

Brandon Handley 55:22
Right. Rob real quick, what, you know, how did you know that this was the path for you? Like, where was like, where did it like dawned on you that like, this was your heart song that this was what you needed to do for the rest of your life? Up until now, at least.

Prabhat Gautam 55:40
So I would say you always like I think when you’re a kid, and you just want to help kids in school, or there’s just something in you that just says a helper spirit, like you feel it that I think, really what all happened was from 1993 to 2001. That eight years was my journey. So my father died of a heart attack when I was 16. And that’s a big experience for a child. And then, you know, a few years later is in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City bombing happened. That’s a hugely traumatic event. They started thinking through Okay, now I want to help I want to give back, how do I help make the world better. And then in the year 2001, that’s working for a startup in 99,000. in debt, making really good amount of money as a 2423 24 year old, I moved out to Los Angeles to create positive television. And then that next year, I became a bone marrow donor and the girl that was a donor for Anka, I tell him all the time, I met President Obama, I met all these celebrities and billionaires. But being a donor, nothing compares. That’s the greatest experience of my life. And so I was her bone marrow, her bone marrow donor, October 3 2001. And then a year and a month later, she passes away. I’m devastated because I’m like this child, I was supposed to give her my at her wedding, I was supposed to see her have kids, like, I written out a story of how the stranger was going to be like my adopted daughter is, you know, she was a stranger, I didn’t know her, like, you know, I sign up to the national marrow donor registry, and mdp.org where people could sign up. And it’s the greatest gift I ever got to be her donor. And then, you know, that really took me on this trajectory where I was like, I have to be, because I think, you know, when you’re 2324, you’re making a lot of money. It’s easy to get caught up in distraction. And I think what happened was, you know, I was in I lucked out, I was in New York on 911, fly back from New York to LA on 911. So having all that sort of tragedy in my life, from 93, to 2002, just kept me on this path, where I didn’t get detour and I didn’t get into drugs and alcohol, like I, you know, I was dating 1000 people, you know, to one committed relationship. It’s like, you know, I think, you know, you meet somebody breakout, you meet somebody new, but I was on this, like, I think, for me, all the tragedy just kept me super hyper focused. And it kept me optimistic, because for sure you feel sadness after tragedy. But it also, what I learned is, after every major tragedy, people step up after 911, after Oakland City Bombing, after my father’s passing after anchors, passing, you see families, community all show up for people. And then my question is still to this day, why don’t we do that all the time? Why does it take tragedy? Right? I’m sure you know, you’ve been in funerals, even lost loved ones. When that happens, we feel like how will Why don’t I connect with these people? Well, this person was going through a tough time, why didn’t I know about it? And I said, Well, how can we be more present one of the best documentaries, I recommend all your listeners to watch, it’s called the bridge. And it’s about how the Golden Gate Bridge is the leading place for suicide in the US. And this was probably 10 years ago, 24 people a year, we would jump off the bridge, and they had cameras set up. And anytime somebody had to jump off, they would send people in to try to stop them. And one guy was jumping, and he ends up surviving, so you get to hear his story. But in that I was like, and one of the people tells the story of like, you know, when he jumped, he did end up jumping in the end. Luckily, surviving that tourists didn’t even realize that he was depressed and suicidal. And it really got me to a place where it’s like, I want to be present with people. If you see somebody crying filter and say, you know, are you okay? Is there anything I can do for you? Can I, you know, get you a coffee. If you see somebody that looks shaken like check on people, they say I think we’re our natural instinct is to be caretakers to check on people. And then people will tell you, I will don’t check on those people that could endanger you. They could be a massive setup to get you killed somehow. I just don’t think that’s, that’s one 1,000,000,000th of 1% of the time those things happen. Just be present for people because when you’re present, that person needed to know so Nobody cared. Like, I remember I was in a train in Los Angeles, there’s a woman who, you know, some guy was bothering or you heard upstairs, she comes downstairs, I’m like, Do you need anything? Are you okay? You know, do you need me to call the police? And she said, Oh, no, somebody else did that. And I was like, Okay, I’m gonna be here near you, if you need me on here. And I thought, Okay, well, those are words, that sounds good. But what if he really comes back downstairs and tries assaulter? What is on here for you really need? Does that mean? I’m going to go fleeing or I’m really going to like be the gap The, the boundary between her this person. And I made sure like, I watched her and I made sure she on the train, she was going a different direction, and I was going, and the guy luckily never came downstairs. But I think if he did, I think once I told her, I’m here for you, I have an obligation to be there. And if he kills her, then he needs to kill me too. Because if I said, I’m gonna be here, I have to be here. And so for me, I feel like, you know, there’s that whole thing of like, Who is your brother? Who is your neighbor? Who’s your sister? Who’s your daughter? Are these people your blood tie to you? Are the people that you regionally now? Or is it every person in humanity? So I think we all determine that for ourselves. And then once you make that determination, I just think you you view people differently, and you view people to view everybody is connected to you, then you realize, both the person hurting, that’s trying to hurt this woman is connected to you, and both this woman that is potentially dangerous connected you. So your job is to be loving, as loving as you can be in those moments. Agreed?

Brandon Handley 1:01:39
I think that the the idea, I mean was, you know, love, love thy neighbor as yourself or something like that, right? I mean, yeah, it and once you kind of understand what that means. And you start to apply that and other places, it takes on a whole different level of kind of compassion, like you’re talking about, like you’re saying, we’re all connected, and how do you how do you show up? Or more in that way? Right? How do you how do you make sure you’re showing up in that way? Alright, quick one for you for so, you know, I’ve come to believe that this is kind of like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Where now like, you know, somebody tune in to like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. And so I’ve got a question for you. That is from our spiritual speed dating, question pool. And it’s going to be what is the greatest quality humans possess?

Prabhat Gautam 1:02:39
Oh, that’s a great question. I mean, I think it’s the greatest quality humans possess is love for those that they have no direct connection or benefit from, I think, when given an opportunity, and people can be of help, and they believe their help, will legitimately help. They will step up. I think we see it every day. We see it all the time. I think they just they just have they have to know that the canal is I think when it’s like, oh, well, there’s homelessness is a problem. How do I help? But it’s everybody’s like, your friend needs a place to crash for a few weeks to get on their feet, like, well, I’m gonna make space for you. Thank you think it’s so that’s what I’d say.

Brandon Handley 1:03:26
I think that’s awesome. Right? And I mean, that’s what you’re doing right? With your with your kind of like, what’s your life? And I think that that’s, I think that that’s really cool. Because there’s, there’s not that many people willing to do that all of the time. And that is something that i think that i think that that’s one of the things that I admire about you and your story, right, you’re always giving and you’re doing it in a way where you don’t expect to return you’re doing it for the love of what it is that you do. And I think that that’s that’s very, you know, it’s it’s really cool to be able to see that provides, where should I send people to come find out more about you.

Prabhat Gautam 1:04:05
So they can get a positive television.org. And they can see all the content that we put out. And then I tell people all the time, I’m not a social media person, so call me, I’m gonna give them my number. Because I’m still old school. I love human to human. So if you’re working on an amazing project, or you just are like, hey, I want to be of service. I want to do this to help people. One of my favorite things to do I tell me all the time, it’s like talking to somebody who has an AI world changing idea, a community changing idea, or personal life changing idea, I’d love to talk to him, then connect them to a redneck come to so I’ll give you my numbers 310-872-0669 that’s 310-872-0669 Feel free to text me or call me and and I always try to be honest with people. It may not be a project that I can help you with or maybe I don’t know the pieces, but if I don’t know that He says, I’m going to try to help you figure out what are the pieces to get you a step further, because I want every single person to be closer to what? They’re, they’re passionate. So if I can get you a step further great, if nothing else, I get to meet another great person in the world. So I’m happy to take that call.

Brandon Handley 1:05:17
Awesome. Thanks so much for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:05:20
Thank you, Brandon. I look i get i want to say I love a spiritual joke is about Everybody, please encourage your friends to, to follow by and share and then also tell people to listen to the episodes that inspire and inspire you guys because if you love an episode, that episode, if it resonates with you, that it’s gonna resonate with your friends. And you know, don’t just send them the Hey, just go check it out, send them to a specific episode that really inspired you because we need to get people on this journey to find you know, their own personal healing so they can help heal the world.

Brandon Handley 1:05:53
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

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What do you do when you are diagnosed with cancer?

Do you curl up and ask why God why?

Or do you look for ways to serve?

I have known Allan Dubon for quite some time now, a few years at least…

A year ago at this time, we touched base for a brief conversation, and he asked me what he could do for the podcast I had been working on… and while we chatted, he told me that he had Leukemia.

My mind imploded a bit, and it was a continuation of his regular self… someone who is out there to serve you no matter what your field or background is.

Take a listen to hear where Allan learned how to give, even if, especially if you have nothing, and the impact it can have on your life.

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here on with my good friend Alan do bond Allen has had quite a bit of impact on on the result actually, Alan, I reached out to you. When I thought of spiritual dope, I was like spiritual dope. And Alan and I’d worked together on the prosperity practice when I did that. I was like, I want to do this thing you’re like, Well, are you sure you really want to do the same? Or is that just another shiny object? I’m like, No, bro.

Unknown Speaker 0:34
I’m in. I’m

Brandon Handley 0:35
all in. And Alan was part of giving me the green light. And I think what’s really fun out is just as earlier this week, I’d interview somebody else that has been a big part of of helping to create the space that I’m in today. Right? So I’m really glad that what I’m able to do is share some of the people that have helped me to get to where I am today, with everybody else, right? Like, you know, it’s not like, it’s not like I did this by myself. Right. And I think that’s really important to know, like, I didn’t do this by myself.

Allan Dubon 1:07
Like, I love how, how this has worked out way better than prosperity practice. You know?

Brandon Handley 1:13
Yeah, it’s interesting. It’s so interesting. But before before we get into all that, right? Before we get into any of that, actually, and this is about you. This is about you today. Let’s give the audience a little bit of you know, who is our bond? Let’s get the let’s get the background. Who are you? What are you doing here? What’s

Allan Dubon 1:28
up? You know, I would have answered this question differently about a year ago, considering and I know, we’ll get into all that. So I won’t deep dive into that yet. But I’m really what what I’ve learned that I am, is I’m a guide for people to change their lives for the better. And I tend to go down the business route for that, you know, I came from, from immigrant parents. And, you know, my dad took off when I was nine, and, you know, poverty, you know, you can call a lot of it a sob story kind of stuff, you know, the other sad points that that are there and, and I just kind of use that to drive me to work harder, and promise to never be back in that by my own choice. You know, so yeah, so do you like business consulting and, and connecting with amazing people like you, and just try to serve the world with my talents as best I can.

Brandon Handley 2:30
Hello, brother, and you really do you do a great job of it? And you know, by connecting with others? I’ve never once seen you be like this over marketing guy. Maybe you were at one point. I don’t know. I know. I was like a man. I was like, hey, look at all my shit. I was like, hey, and like, you know, here’s 20 questions, engage, engage, engage, engage, engage. And then like, you know, fuck it. Anyways. You know, I think but I think that there’s a place for that. Everybody has to learn some way. But I appreciate what you do, how you go about it. And I think you’re the genuine, genuine deal. So that being said, what I like to start us off with is the idea that there’s somebody out there who is listening in and they’re listening for, like, you know, source talks through you and I right, yeah, listening to what source has to say to them? Through you today. What is that message?

Allan Dubon 3:27
Oh, that’s big man. For me, it’s don’t wait. Don’t wait to do the things that you’ve been saying you’re going to do. And it really comes from, like this past year that that have gone through March of last year, which we’re in the end of January here. So just shy of a year, I found that I had leukemia. And, man, you want to talk about a gut check, you know, and I come from the world of medical lab science, I actually worked in the laboratory for the cancer clinic hospital I went to a couple of years ago. So you know, just kind of knowing that, you know, we all know we’re gonna die at some point, but we all kind of think it’s further along. It’s another time and you know, unless you’re sick, right? But you’re not sick. I was doing great. I was losing weight. I was getting healthy, working out every day. And all of a sudden, everything just changed in my world stop. And so I realized I may not have the time that I thought I had to accomplish the things that I wanted to accomplish. And so for me, it’s don’t wait, get get to it.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, I love that. I think another message that you are a big proponent of as well as is, you know, stop playing small All right. So let’s talk a little bit about again, you know, let the don’t wait, right? What are some of the things that you felt like you were waiting on that you felt like you had time to accomplish? And then like, you know, going through the sickness, you know, what were some of those, you know, things got hammered home, right? Like, oh, shit, if I get, look, I, you may not have been this guy, man. Dear God, if I get out of this, I want to do this. There’s no need to peanut butter sandwiches, right? So, you know, what were some what were some of the promises, like maybe you made to yourself while you laid there and gone through this? And then, you know, where do you see those going?

Allan Dubon 5:44
Yeah, part of it was realizing a little bit more of what’s important. So I’ve gotten kind of caught up in my identity as a provider. And I think that happens to men a lot, you know, at least from my experience. And so I was really pushing that provider thing, you know, my wife would, she was very good at saying, Hey, we need you. And that’s okay, well, let me calm down the business a little bit, you know, rearrange some stuff at work, and, you know, take me a couple weeks to wind that down to, to be able to give them more time. And sometimes that was the frustration, right? I’m doing this for you guys, for my wife and for my kids. And, you know, I think sometimes when you you come from poverty, and you get a chance to not be there, you drive that part home, but you forget, I may still be here, but I can be an absentee Dad, you know, and I don’t think I got that far. But, but I definitely could have fallen into that trap, you know. So that’s kind of one of the big things that that came from that and then, you know, not waiting to travel and stuff. Like, my wife and I talked about traveling for a long time. And, and it was, well, we’ll do this, we’ll do that. You know, and, and now it’s okay, as soon as things get a little bit, right with my health a little bit, you know, thank goodness, I’m cancer free. Now. Now, it’s just getting getting more strength back in my body, and getting what I like to lovingly call my puppy shots, and get my vaccines because it wipes out your whole immune system. And so, once I get vaccinated, a little bit of strength, and we kind of recover a little bit from the the financial hit, that comes with something like this. It’s traveling, you know, so that’s gonna be a big thing for us. And then I think the third biggest lesson was, get out of debt. Like, you know, we didn’t have crazy amounts of debt. But I’ll tell you what, when you’re, when you’re looking at it, and you say, if I die, I wasn’t afraid of death, I was free to leave my family crippled with debt and other stuff that I took care of. And we could go through, you know, as when things are normal. Now I’m very focused on we’re going to get out of debt, so that if anything ever happens, we don’t have to worry about that. No,

Brandon Handley 8:24
no, that’s powerful. Right? It’s powerful. I love the idea, right? You know, you always you always putting something off, because of, you know, when we have enough or when is the right time, right. And then there’s also the idea of, you know, just like you said, you know, what else is important as you know, to have that family time, right, you that’s something that you can never get back. Right? You can never you can never get that back. And I know that I’m guilty of, you know, kind of the same thing you’re talking about sometimes it’s ways too far, one way, right? The pendulum is always swinging, right? It’s like, is there too much time with them? Is this forced time and they can tell like they can tell like you’re just making time just to make time? Right? Like, they’re like, No, just go away. We don’t even want to hang out with you. Right? And then there’s a time when you know, you’re everybody’s there and it’s a it’s a good time, right? Like, I know that we spent last night watching Ant Man like all together just like impromptu, right. And it was just it was just great. Like there was no it was no no force to it. And everyone’s just kind of chillin and I’m remember, just now on the fucking couch watching anime hanging out, right because that was great. Let’s talk about like, the spiritual side of it right? Because I know that again. We were talking a little bit before here. I love that you brought this up like how you were, you were forced to kind of determine whether or not like what you believe spiritually was showing up in your world outside and it caused you to kind of take a deep look at that. Something I’m definitely curious about, especially going through what you went through, right? having known you, you know, a little bit prior to and a little bit after him, I’m definitely curious to see kind of what’s changed for you in that in that aspect.

Allan Dubon 10:12
Yeah. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things that pretty much covered your bullshit, right? Like, where? Where is it? Where is it Bs and where is it real? You know, and, and I think sometimes it becomes that trial of your faith, as far as you got to prove it. And it’s never perfect, right? Just kind of like life. And you know, you’re never the perfect Dad, you’re never the perfect husband. But you can be a really damn good one, you know?

Unknown Speaker 10:38
Sure. Real quick.

Brandon Handley 10:39
Absolutely. Real quick, though. Do you have a faith background? Do you have a faith based background?

Allan Dubon 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I was born when I was born, we were Catholic. And, you know, I think that’s a default setting on Latinos. Know, that, you know, everybody we knew was Catholic and all that kind of stuff. And then we moved to Utah. And we became LDS, you know, are members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. And, and that’s been my, my background. You know, and it’s been really interesting. Because I don’t fit necessarily that mold as as ultra conservative ultra, this, you know, ultra that. But it’s, it’s brought a lot of great value to me, and a lot of a lot of where my understanding comes from, you know, and so, you know, when when I was told what happened, you know, hey, you’ve got your white blood cell count 68,000. Well, like I said, I’m a lab scientist who is trained in cancer stuff in blood cancers. I told the doctor, I’m like, Well, shit, that’s cancer. I know. She goes, yep, she goes, I can’t tell you. Because you know, you got to do all the confirmatory, especially, but you and I both know, it’s cancer. I was like, yep. Okay, cool. Here we go. You know, and at first, everything happens so fast, you don’t have time to think you’re scared, but you don’t quite know what you’re scared of. it because it’s happening so fast. But once I got into the hospital, I’m sitting there, and you know, you get a long time even, even though my wife was there. She’s in her head with her thoughts. I’m in my head with my thoughts. You know, we’ll hold hands and stuff, but sometimes, it’s like, she wasn’t there. For both ways, right? Like to her I wasn’t there. And

Brandon Handley 12:39
yeah, man, look, I mean, you guys just both like, speculating on what the hell is? What’s the future? What’s the future hold right now? Because, you know, somebody says cancer, and you’re like, well, I don’t know that I’m gonna have all the time that I need to get everybody to where they got to get to and do all these things. You know, house, you know, vice versa, right? Like in here, like how, you know, how do I get through this? Right? How do I get through this stick with my family? I still never been to Brazil, and I gotta go. Right? Right. Like, I never make Carnival shit. I always make carnival. Right. And I never went like, I mean, you know, Jesus, if you saved me now.

Allan Dubon 13:18
You know, and, you know, funny you say that. And I and, and I don’t think it’s bad. If that’s where you default to, like, Hey, I’m going to promise to do this. You know, we hear about stuff from religious folks, they religious leaders that have done that, and that’s how they change their life, you know. But, but I really didn’t want to fall into that I wanted to be as I guess, real as I could about it, you know, definitely promised to be a little bit better. You know, obviously, you know, I think that’s human default. But, but I didn’t want to negotiate with God. Because because in my opinion, it’s already kind of written out a little bit. You know, I’m not a, I’m not a no matter what I do is going to end up this way. But but very much like, I think I don’t, you know, so I’m not gonna win, right. I

Brandon Handley 14:06
mean, there’s the there’s God’s got a plan for everybody kind of thing. Right.

Allan Dubon 14:10
Yeah. And so, you know, just kind of going through that. And it was one of the biggest things to me was, I’ve always said that I wasn’t afraid of death. Maybe the mechanism of death. I don’t know. Fire. Not so happy.

Unknown Speaker 14:25
Right, right. I think we all kind of go out in our sleep, right?

Allan Dubon 14:28
Yes, yes.

Brandon Handley 14:28
I’d like it to be asleep, painless. I mean, or, you know, whatever. big truck one

Allan Dubon 14:33
or the other. For sure. You know, so that’s kind of where I was like, Okay, I’m here I am. I am a little nervous. But I had to, I had to think about it, right. And so it’s like, well, I can’t control that. If I die. That’s not up to me. We can do everything we can on this side. But at the end, it’s not up to me. And so it’ll be The adventure and so if I die, and what I believe is true, then there’s happiness on the other side. And it’s a little sad because I’m leaving my family, but I’ll know that they’ll join me later, you know? Sure. If it’s not true and not we don’t exist after then I don’t know better. So that’s fine, too, you know? So, you know, there’s there’s that element, and then, but mostly it was, you know, we talked a little bit about this before was, is this a curse on me? Or is this a blessing on me? Is it all bad? Like, where’s our attitude? You know? And, and I’ll be honest, I went through a little bit of the Why me? God, I’m a good person, I help people. Sure, you know, and, and then I started thinking of like, well, Michelle’s, my wife was like, Michelle’s mom died of colon cancer. And from everything I hear about her, she’s an amazing person better than me. Right? So why, why would I be better than her? In this negotiation, if you don’t diagnose? Good, you know what I mean? Right, right. And I’ve met other people that I know, that are amazing people who cross the line, and they went to the other side, and so sure, you know, so there was that part. But I think what really pulled me out of this pity spiral that I like to call it is I, I went back to some of my core principles, and it was what do you do? When things suck, you do what you can, and then you serve others. And I learned that from my mom, we didn’t have lots to eat, you know, growing up and, and stuff like that we get some pantry help from churches, or from the, you know, the state people that do that kind of stuff, right. But I remember she got connected with a local grocery store. And they, they were just throwing out their, their bread that had like a day left or whatever, you know, they they old or they day left or something like that. Sure. And she wouldn’t talk to the baker and said, hey, why do you guys throw this out there like, well, it’s only got a day and we can’t sell it, you know, and we got new stuff coming out. So once or short, she got that connected to where we would go up there, we didn’t have a car. So we would take these little push cart things, walk up to the store about a mile away. And the baker would give us the day old stuff so that we could give it away. Other folks who didn’t have a lot of money, right? Well, that turned out to be so good. And my mom connected with enough people that after a while, they were sending a small box car full of a bunch of groceries that they were just throwing out. Yeah. And they knew my mom wasn’t going to go sell it right now is the big thing. And so we were helping people from all over the state, you know, within reason, sugar, driving, distance and all that, but we didn’t have some time stuff for ourselves to eat. And here we were helping other folks. You know, and I remember talking to my mom about it, and she says you serve others when when things get bad. You serve others. Yeah. And she goes when one of us eats we all eat. Yeah. And so I was like, okay, you know, and so when I when I got that pity in when I was in the hospital, and I was in there during the big COVID part, right? Yeah. But my wife was able to be there right at first. So that made it easier, scary, but easier. And then the second time I went in they they said nobody can be there with you. So now truly alone with my thoughts. Yeah, that’s where it can get. Kinda.

Brandon Handley 18:41
Well, that’s what I mean. I remember, I think you reached out to me. We reached out, we chatted with each other a little bit while you were in there, right? You’re like, how can I help you? And I was just like, Yeah, I just love that. That was your attitude, right? Like, there you were, there’s really no answers for you. Right? You got no answers. And you’re going out kicking. Kicking right? Like it just it didn’t, I’m sure there were there must have been moments where you know, you were just down, right? There’s no, there’s no way. You kind of get through all that you don’t have a couple of those moments. But I love what you’re saying they’re they’re right. When you’re down and out. You know, you do do what you can for yourself that you know what you’re in control of, and then you know, try to serve others. that’s a that’s a great, great way to be.

Allan Dubon 19:34
Yeah, and it’s not easy, man. Like, and I don’t say that, like, Oh, I’m awesome, because it wasn’t easy, nothing like that. But sometimes I had to fake it and just try, you know, and and so, one of the things I was like, You know what, there’s about 13 to 15 people that visit me every day, you know, between the doctors and the CNAs and the cleaning folks and you know everything that everybody comes in As I said, they’re not always the same. It’s a learning institution. You know, it’s connected to the university and stuff. And so we get different kinds of folks coming in, and then some of the same people. And I thought, you know, let’s learn their stories, because we get so caught up in Well, they’re here to take care of me. Right? Yeah, that’s their job. Right. And they do it very amazingly, by the way, shout out to Huntsman Cancer. Nice, because their people are just miles above any. I’ve worked in healthcare, my whole life, pretty much. And these guys are just miles above everybody else. But you know, it’s still their job. Right? They’re worried about their college credits their kids, their everything, right, for sure. And so I started to talk to them about the stuff that I was good at, you know, business and Future Planning and missing this and, and really helped me take my mind off of me. Sure. Self beneficial, you know, right. But we talked about their goals, and, you know, they come back and they didn’t have tons of time. So this little 10 minutes thing, they’re hooking me up or whatever, right on. And it’s like, Cool, well, how’s your classes? You know, there’s a guy that that was in a freaking concentration camp. Or not concentration. When they’re going away from like, a refugee, thank you refugee. See, there’s my cancer fog, but I thought it was weird sometimes. But yeah, so he’s in a refugee camp for several years, right, came over to the states started, started the process, you know, he started school, and there were some other friends that came with him from that camp. And, you know, life happened to him, you know, he got married and some other stuff, and now is not married. And, you know, so to get a little rough honey, he stopped his schooling, and he’s like, ah, maybe I’m too old. Maybe I’m to this, like, Look, dude, let’s get you back in school. You know, like, it’s still your goal. So you had four years that, that didn’t go the right way. Sure, I still gonna keep living. So those years are gonna keep ticking let’s and so then he signed back up for school. That’s awesome. He came back and thanked me and I can’t I just can’t tell you how amazing that felt that he was. I mean, I hate school. So I feel like I punished him. But you know, and as they know, it’s gonna get his dreams and his career going and he wants to go be a nurse practitioner eventually. And so, you know, get some back on track to do that, you know, and talking to others about their life and their heart stories. And, you know, one of the nurses that told her she needs to read a book because she’s had some siblings died, and her mom’s died. And I think her dad was still around, but it was kind of sketchy. You know, how that went. And so, but she was pushed through all of that. And statistically, she shouldn’t be there, right? statistically, she should be in the hood, just being poor and, and working a menial job. Right, and then falling into, or falling into the same traps that her parents were into, you know, right. But But she broke through, you know, and so, just kind of things like that, that, that really opened my eyes to, hey, yeah, they’re health care workers. But but they’re people first,

Brandon Handley 23:25
right? Right. Now,

Unknown Speaker 23:27
it’s so easy, it’s

Brandon Handley 23:28
so easy to lose sight of that, right? It’s so easy to lose, you know, these people are here to save my ass. Right? And you forget that they’re, you know, you can, you can easily forget that. There are people to just like you’re saying, but, you know, I’m gonna lean back in again, one more time into, you know, kind of the serving people right to take, take it off yourself, even if even if, you know, sometimes you have to fake it, right? I just had this conversation this past week, like, even if you have to fake it a little bit. Yeah, even if it’s not even coming from the most genuine place. It’s still a lot better than just about anything else you could be doing. Right? Like even if you’re like, even if you’re certain, like in some point, at some point, it becomes there’s a tilting point right? You know, for like a while here. I mean, we talked about this from when I when I did follow him for the rest of us, right? For a while there, it was like I’m doing this for all the wrong reasons. But then at some point, it’s like, I’m like, that’s just becomes who I am. And now I’m doing it for the right reasons. So it’s just kind of like it’s like a training mechanism training tool, right. So that now when you go out there and you’re like, I’m, I’m serving to serve is there’s really not this like there’s not an mo right, there’s not like something behind an agenda behind it. Right. And when you start doing that, like you start feeling like you know, sounds like you were feeling right, like you’re connected, there’s your your your your your mind is taken off of all of your woes when you’re focused on helping somebody else. You know,

Allan Dubon 24:57
I’ve always well, not always When I learned this principle, I created a little saying it’s, you become what you act. And so, and it’s not a fake act, it’s, if I want and I learned at first with weight loss stuff. You know, if I keep eating like a 350 pound man I’m gonna stay in. That’s where I was right? So 350 was my number. And I’m like, if I want to weigh 180 or 200, I got to eat and move, like a person who’s 180 or 200. And I’m not there yet, so I have to act like that. And am I gonna mess up? You betcha. I love ice cream. You know, you can poison me with peanut butter and ice cream. Those are my two. My two big things right. But that

Brandon Handley 25:47
ice creams are poisonous. No.

Allan Dubon 25:51
But, but it’s okay. I messed up today. I had a big bowl of ice cream or whatever. Yeah, well, guys that weigh 200 eat ice cream. Yeah. But they don’t eat it every single day. And they don’t you know, when they enjoy a big indulgent thing, they might go for a run or walk longer. Wait, lift longer, right. And so it started being that it’s, it’s what you act you become. And so you know, that that’s kind of, like

Brandon Handley 26:21
buying 100% man or buying 100% you know, me, this is again, you know, the exact process that I went through with my father and for the rest of us. And also just with anybody else out there that you’re listening to like anybody you’re you know, mentorship through even like, through all the online videos, YouTube and all the other stuff. Like, you start taking that on everything that this goes back to those sayings like you know, your weight. Are you Wayne Dyer fan? Yes or no?

Unknown Speaker 26:49
Yeah. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 26:50
he’s got that story. Like, you know, he asked me to say, so if I ask Alan, like, when I squeeze an orange, what am I gonna get out of it?

Allan Dubon 26:57
Oh, I don’t know him that well.

Brandon Handley 26:58
So it says like, the answers on shoes, right, but like,

Allan Dubon 27:01
Oh, well, that he had something more special.

Brandon Handley 27:06
So the deal is, so that’s all you can get out of it. Because that’s all you know, that’s all I can ever come out of it. Right? This is an orange juice. That’s, that’s what’s inside of it. So the other idea though, is like, whatever you keep putting inside of yourself, that’s all it’s gonna be able to come out. Right. So this content that you’re trying whoever it is that you’re trying to become whoever it is that you’re acting as if as I’m an acting as if you like, this is who I am now. That’s all that can come out. Right? And you you act as if you, you consume all that and and you put all that in you and that’s eventually quite literally all that can come out. It’s It’s It’s uncanny. Right? And I think that it takes a takes a little bit of time. But once you make that decision and start to step into it, like you’re, you’re you’re that 180 pound man that you’re talking about, right? Yeah.

Allan Dubon 27:53
Yeah, I had a teacher tell me because I was I was going through some pity cycles stuff. You know, my dad’s gone. We don’t have a lot of money. And, you know, yeah, like, like, stacking up all the stuff that is against me

Brandon Handley 28:06
are now pretty limitations.

Allan Dubon 28:08
Yeah. And, and he told me, you know, you choose to be happy. And my young brain, I didn’t say this to him out of respect from inside. I’m like, EFF you, dude. You got family, you got her perfect life a beautiful wife. You guys make money here as a teacher, so I thought they made money. Boy was Iraq. But, you know, so my head, his life was perfect. Sure. Well, he had a kid that was going through some stuff. And you know, it just wasn’t perfect. Like I thought it was and he’s not making the kind of money he should because he’s a freakin teacher, you know. And so, you know, it all kind of clicked several years later, but I, for some reason, I always remembered him saying that. And then so I was still in that bad cycle. And I said, Okay, I’m going to choose to be happy. So I literally woke up and said, I’m going to be happy. And I felt like such a liar. You know, which I was, I wasn’t happy. But I kept saying that every morning I kept saying and then all sudden, I just started being more positive. Sure, nice. My circumstances didn’t change. They’re still poor kid and, you know, all the others crap that that are talked about, but I chose to be happy. And so I think that’s part of that was the beginning foundation of this stuff that I’ve learned and magnified through my cancer experience, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:42
which, you know, you talked about being called on your Bs, right, like, on what you believe? What were some of the things you felt like you were called on and your spirituality and like, you know, what, what kind of maybe got strengthened and how you apply that to this.

Allan Dubon 29:55
Um, part of it was, was talking to God right and So, to me, I don’t think you have to necessarily get on your knees and, you know, Dear Heavenly Father kind of thing, like, I do that. But I also think that you can talk way more often. Like, there’s times when you go talk to your parent that it’s a little more formal. And then there’s other times you’re like, Hey, Mom, you know, what do you mean by this? You just throw it out there. And let her let her ruminate on that a while and she gets back to you. You know? So it’s a little bit more of that, right? Like, and so it was, I did that more. And then it’s like, why did I ever let that go? You know, and not that it was gone completely, but I wasn’t doing it as much as like, I got an open channel, you know, like what you say, you know, God source universe, like, I love that, you know, because you can, you can label whatever you want. And

Brandon Handley 30:52
look at what it is, whatever it is, whatever, it clears that channel for you. Right? Like, if if you’ve got to tune in to Fox to get your information, you got to like, I mean, I don’t care how you, you know what channel you call it, right? But it’s the one it’s, it’s a filtration system, right? Your mind is a filtration system, right? And you’re in like, for a lot of a lot of other people like the word God is just it’s a bad fucking filter, right? Yeah. So if I call it universe, I’m totally Oh, universe. Well, that’s different. Right? Like, let me tune into that. I feel it’s right. So. So there’s just there’s like this open lane of something that’s never been filtered. Right. So so that way that just like, like, it’s just a brilliant conduit. So that’s why that’s, that’s my reasoning and logic. I’m getting closer to being able to use God myself, like just, you know, being comfortable with it, because it’s not something I was ever comfortable with. Yeah, but I’d like to hear so tell me more about like, what are some of the conversations you have? Right? What’s some of the feedback?

Allan Dubon 31:59
It was, it was a lot of, you know? Am I fulfilling my purpose? Am I being good enough to people? You know, am I loving my wife enough? Like, you know, I’m thinking here my time, my might, my temp, my ticket might get stamped here in a second, you know, and I get on that train to the other side, you know, and so, did I do enough to show my wife I loved her, I cared about her was a good enough man to her. You know, just all these things? And same thing with my children? Did I teach them enough lessons that they’re going to be? Okay. Like, like, if I go out? Yeah, they’re gonna suffer some, and they’re gonna be sad, and they’re gonna know, but that I give them enough tools to work through their life, to learn things to be good to other folks and to become good members of society, you know, and be able to take care of their families. Did I do enough of that? You know, did I serve my fellow man enough? Or was it all lip service? I could put it on Instagram, you know,

Brandon Handley 33:14
call me out, bro.

Allan Dubon 33:19
Lot of that kind of stuff. And

Brandon Handley 33:21
so what was I mean, you know what, you know? What were some of the responses that you felt like you got?

Allan Dubon 33:30
I felt that I was told that I had done well with what I knew. And that I was going to be given a chance to be even better.

Brandon Handley 33:40
So you had a sense of hope? Yeah. That message me a response message, right?

Allan Dubon 33:47
Yeah, there’s times where I’m like, I think my I think I’m hoping I think I’m telling myself,

Brandon Handley 33:53
I got the wrong line.

Allan Dubon 33:55
That was me saying to me, like, you’re not gonna die, you know? Cuz that’s a great

Brandon Handley 34:00
question, though. Right? How do you differentiate from you know, this is a, you know, I’m sure it’s a slippery slope, but like, how do you differentiate the response that you get from yourself versus when you get from God?

Allan Dubon 34:12
To me it was, or at least what I felt right. It was a feeling. Yeah, it was. It was a feeling that I didn’t feel like I was doing it for me. Like being told that I was going to live through this sometimes felt scarier than Hey, you’re checking out in too much. Yeah, cuz you got a lot of bills you’re racking up.

Brandon Handley 34:34
You’re gonna have to show up for like, you’re like really, really? Well, you know, listen, if I just finished up this pudding and, and roll out like, I’m cool with that. Because Yeah, because there’s there must have been some of that thought too, right? Like, be like, holy shit. Like, when I come out of this, like, I might even be destitute, I’m going to be worse off like, yo, you know, the struggles are going to be real, right? Like, what’s the quality of life going to be if I if I if I do get to live This Yeah,

Allan Dubon 35:01
yeah, those are all real. That’s the not pretty part of it. Right? Not that there’s really any part of it right? Yeah. But you know what I mean, though, like, like, there’s stuff for you like, Yes, I got to ring the bell, because that’s kind of a big thing in cancer stuff is when you when you’re told you’re sorry, my daughter calls me when somebody rings it. But But, uh, that’s funny on a ring. You know, it’s, it’s one of those things. It’s like, okay, yeah, I get a ring the bell and I get to say, you know, cancer free or I finished my transplant or, you know, what, what does that mean? Like, I walked out of there looking like a freaking cancer patient. I’m a brown guy, and I was pretty white, we were pretty pale. You know, and, and then I lost like, 100 pounds. And he wants

Unknown Speaker 35:55
to do it that way.

Allan Dubon 35:56
Yeah, you know, I couldn’t pick up 50 pounds. And I know, this is from a guy who could pick up 300 pounds with relative ease, you know, like, yeah, it’s heavy, but I could do it, you know. And now I can’t even pick up 50 pounds, it was heavy, can you open my

Brandon Handley 36:13
eyes that must have felt like, you know, especially coming from, you know, Western society, being a male needing to be kind of this strong guy and facing your mortality, and then also facing like, you know, all these things that you couldn’t do, and needing help, especially when you’ve labeled yourself and identified as the provider.

Allan Dubon 36:33
Yeah. Well, and, and also the protector, right? and stuff growing up against women and that I don’t stand for, like, I can’t tolerate that. And now being in a position that if somebody came up and slapped my wife, or my kids are some, I pretty much I got to sit there and you know, like, I still go fight them, but they kicked my ass, you know?

Brandon Handley 36:56
I’ll come in for you.

Allan Dubon 36:58
You know, but but it’s, it’s that thing. Like I could not protect my family. And that, that both financially and physically right. So that, that messes my head a lot. Well,

Brandon Handley 37:09
I mean, that I mean, that’s the whole like, I mean, I hate to, again, I’m not a genius, dude, I’m not big on the Bible, but like, kind of the meek shall inherit the earth or like, kind of going through that feeling like, feeling I’m not even saying like, you know, you’re inheriting the earth, but like you going through this process of just being completely and totally. You’ve got to surrender right to everything. So I mean, yeah, tell me a little bit about, you know, applying that to your situation because surrenders big, big one, for sure.

Allan Dubon 37:36
You know, my wife and I discussed this, we didn’t use that word. I wish I would have had it. And I’m gonna talk to her tonight when she gets home from work, you know? But, uh, you know, she’s like, How can you be so calm about this, you know, cuz she’d have moments where she just she tried to be so strong, like, too strong. And then it would break. And so she cried. I’m like, I’m sorry. You’re the one going through this. And we know, we are going through this. You know, and, and so one of the things that I told her as I said, I had to give up, not give up on fighting, give up on controlling any of this. We are not in control, not you know, we talked about believing in God and that he’s in control. I said, we’re still human, we still want to be in control. And we think this, we think that we’re in control of stuff. We’re not not at, all right.

Brandon Handley 38:29
Wrong, people are flying through the sky and all these other things. We’re like, I got this, right. Thomas Moore.

Allan Dubon 38:36
Yeah. So like, you know, one of the biggest things was they had to stick a needle in my back, all the way into my spinal cord, pull out spinal, cerebral spinal fluid, awesome. And then put in methotrexate chemo and another candidate I remember the other 10 was called a screw

Brandon Handley 38:55
for the bone for how to

Allan Dubon 38:57
go Yeah, sir, to make sure that the if anything went past the, the brain barrier, then if they killed that too, right, because that’s my kind of leukemia likes to hide there. And so they check it do a count and then put that stuff back and tell you what and they don’t they numb the spot where they put it in, that’s it, you don’t get anything else. So you are wide awake and you know, fully lucid and you know, stuff like that. And you know, they punctured into my lung to get a biopsy when I got pneumonia and you know, once again, they just numb the spot. And the rest of you is very much awake, you know. And so these things are are pretty scary, because of the level of payments that are they can numb it up but there’s still pain. Yeah. And, and then the lack of control. Right?

Brandon Handley 39:55
Right. Like you got no control over that I

Allan Dubon 39:57
got I can control my breathing. Not flinching, you know? And so that’s all I focused on. Like, if I flinch, they could hit a nerve. They can collapse my lawn, you know? And a real comfortable stuff, right? You didn’t know you’d get an anatomy lesson here. But what I controlled my breathing, right? What I could, right. So this is kind of coming back to that, that pity party stuff, I control what I can and then I serve others. So Mike Okay, how the hell do you serve others when they’re stabbing something in your back? Those came through the back one of the top for the lungs and one, you know, times it wasn’t just a one time thing you know, we talked about stuff I used to sell real estate. So we talked about real estate and the guy was buying a house and something oh, you know, ask your mortgage lender this and do that and don’t buy this. And he’s like, dude, how are you? Like, so focused on a mic? Because if I focus on what you’re doing, I’m gonna freak out.

Brandon Handley 41:00
Right, right, right. Now that’s true, right?

Allan Dubon 41:04
Totally self serving.

Brandon Handley 41:06
But again, you know, again, like, you know, you’re doing it to, you know, you’re doing it in a way is like, how can I still help this person along? And when you’re doing that, again, like, it’s just, it’s almost like a burdens lifted off you. And it’s really also a lot how we start the podcast off, right? Like, there’s something that if you open yourself up to it, right? Like, if you’re asking a question is how can I serve this person? What can I do to serve this person? source will provide you with something, right? And while you’re filled with doing that thing, you’re essentially being filled with source, right? Like you’re, you know, so there’s this kind of life giving thing flowing through you, so that you can provide to this other person and it takes away your pain, man.

Allan Dubon 41:50
Yeah, it’s how I surrendered back to the original thought of this. Yeah. How I surrendered, it was forced on me, I could always decline you. They always tell you, you don’t have to do any of this. We can just give you stuff to keep you comfortable. And I gotta live. I have to be right. You know, I got kids, I got to fight for my wife. I got to fight for you know. And so as like, if you guys think I got a shot, I’m fighting he, you know, we’re doing this. Yeah. But they always say, Hey, you got a choice. You don’t have to do this. All right. Well, my surrender was, I can pray all day. But if I just pray and don’t take the action, you know, back to the Bible. Faith without works is dead, right? Yeah. So yeah, God is powerful. But he’s given us science. He’s given us all of these tools that aren’t yet. Right. But they’re the best things that we have.

Brandon Handley 42:45
But yeah. Yeah, for our level of understanding, right, yeah, we can

Allan Dubon 42:51
eat healthy, we can do good. But the blueberries not gonna take away the cancer. You know.

Unknown Speaker 42:57
I love antioxidants.

Allan Dubon 42:59
But, but I can eat the good stuff to help feed my body so that it’s can tolerate what’s going to happen to it a lot better. Right. And he got that’s kind of the approach I took was faith, body nutrition, which I’m still not perfect at. And, and science, right, let them do what they’re gonna do. I can control what goes in my mouth. And sometimes I don’t choose well, because of ice cream.

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Most tracks.

Brandon Handley 43:32
So when Yeah, let’s just talk a little bit about how like maybe your has this change kind of your, you know, going through the cancer, reconnecting. having these conversations with God. How do you feel like that’s helping you move forward for a more fulfilling life right now?

Allan Dubon 43:48
You know, it really woke me up. Like what I said at the beginning, you don’t have time. You just don’t? Yeah, so it’s a little more urgency. Not enough fear, like, Oh, crap, I’m gonna die. But in a dude, I gotta get my butt moving. I can’t half asset, you know? Sure. And that the world is good. You know, we’ve we’ve seen a lot of craziness, no matter what, you know, here in the States, no matter what political side you’re on, there’s craziness on both sides. Sure. And, and, you know, manifests in different ways. And, and so there’s a lot of that, and the news media wants to just sell us scary stuff, you know, tornadoes, politics, you know, and everything else in between. But I got a chance. This is where the blessings come in. I got a chance to not have to focus on that. I didn’t have the energy to focus on that. While I was crazy, I didn’t have to write right. And I get to see what beautiful people there are in the world, huh? I got to see people. You know, my my wife’s cousin. Just Did a little GoFundMe for us, you know, one of the people that donated reminded me that story of the widow’s mite, you know, the rich guys were tightening everything and just throwing buckets of money in. And she threw in essentially a quarter, you know, or whatever. And because that’s all she had, well, there’s a lady who she’s like, on her third round of cancer, her husband and her son have died of cancer. Wow. And like, all of this crap, and she gave 20 bucks. And she was amongst the smallest donations monetarily. But I’ll tell you what, to me, she stood out the most. Because here she is. I’m getting I’m really starting to understand at that point. I haven’t even seen the biggest bills, but I’m starting to see him and I’m like, holy poop, you know, like, how are we going to do this? Right? And here she was, has lost the stuff that’s most important in her life. She’s fighting alone. And she’s willing to give me 20 bucks in my fight. Right? You know, and she doesn’t really know me. She knows sister in law, you know? And so it was stuff like that people, how can we help you? How can we do this, you know, our next door neighbors, when I had to get in my very first time being admitted. They called us and within, they said, you need to be here within an hour. Well, I live 45 minutes away from the hospital, and they’re like, be here within an hour or you lose your room. Oh, you know, and they’re like, and you’re kind of cancer needs immediate attention. Okay. So we go to the neighbors, essentially, my wife pretty much tells them here, take my kids, were going to the hospital, they didn’t know I had cancer. Because we hadn’t told anybody. We didn’t want to stir the pot yet until we knew what we’re fighting. Right? All of a sudden, it was real and right now, right? She’s crying, and she’s telling them and we don’t know, when we’re gonna be back. You know, her and her husband were like, go, just go. Don’t worry about it. We can bring you clothes, we can go buy your underwear, what you will bring your stuff just go. Right, you know, don’t miss your spot. And so we grabbed a couple things, you know, and I was there for two weeks. We didn’t know that. Yeah. And I think I’ll be honest, I don’t really remember if my wife went home, she might after a few days to get some clothes, in and out. And then back. So my kids were with the neighbors then with my, my, my wife’s brother, and his wife, you know, for a little bit and stuff like that. And so it was just people who stepped in, who have busy lives, they’re doing their stuff, you know, right. And all of a sudden, our emergency and they’re stepping in, you know, and just lots of acts of kindness. You know, we’re talking about Instagram, you know, posting stuff on Instagram, somebody gave us what, what I think is called a heart attack I’ve learned. And so they come in and just put a bunch of hearts on your door and like little nice messages. You know, we love you. Nice. Yeah. Well, I told you I got a ring, right? My ring wasn’t working. So I have no idea who it was. Right? And so they came in, did a heart attack. And then all sudden, we have this big knock. And it’s like, eight or nine o’clock? I don’t remember. So like Who the heck, you know, right? So we go downstairs and just see this beautiful message. That’s great. It’s it’s cheap construction paper and

Brandon Handley 48:37
workers. You know, I mean, like the money, it says he hasn’t that doesn’t have to take a whole lot to just do some acts of kindness or make somebody’s day. Right you. And and again, I’m gonna go back to how you feel while you’re doing it. Right. You know, is is kind of the key, right? You’re gonna feel good, like, you know, you feel good. The recipient feels good. You’re not in control of how the recipient is going to receive that. But as long as you are in the spirit of giving to give, and you’re not in the spirit of giving to receive a reaction. Yes. Right. Because I mean, that’s, that’s a big thing, too. Right. So I think that that’s kind of what you’re illustrating here is right giving without, like, this expectation, giving, you know, so that, you know, you can be of service to others. And you know, kind of, you know, I think the other part was like, you know, you asked it in your conversation with God is like, Am I fulfilling my purpose? I think that’d be a word. What was the answer to that one? What did you feel on that?

Allan Dubon 49:38
I felt that I had done well, but not good enough, and I heard a little it wasn’t a reprimand. But it was a you can do better. And, and really, it’s about being more purposeful. Not just We got an extra 300 bucks around Christmas time, let’s, let’s see how we can get some gifts for that, which is great. And that’s that’s a good thing. But now, you know, somebody took care of our Christmas for us. And a couple families, you know, and, and they organized and all this kind of stuff and my kids now are like, Dad, can we do that for somebody next year once you got your job again? Because I’m not working and stuff? Right? It was awesome. Well, I

Brandon Handley 50:25
mean, I still got you still got your consultant services, and you’re still able to do that. Right. So I mean, I know that you’ve had some tremendous success there in the past, I know that you’ve helped me, you know, put put business stuff together, you’ve helped me put my websites together. So I know that that’s stuff that you’re still capable of doing.

Allan Dubon 50:43
Yeah. And it’s just, you know, I’m, I’m just getting to the point where I can consider that. Right. You know, cuz, energy wise,

Unknown Speaker 50:52
are you still pretty depleted?

Allan Dubon 50:54
Yeah. So it’s, it’s the commitment, right? Like, could I build a website? Yeah, but can I commit to

Brandon Handley 51:01
a timeline?

Unknown Speaker 51:03
Yeah.

Allan Dubon 51:05
Stuff like that. It’s kind of teaching me that patience. And that. Would you call it? Surrender? surrendering? Thank you. Yeah, yeah. It’s okay. I’m learning patience. That’s what I mean, right now. Yeah. And I hate it. But I get the value of it. Yeah. Yeah, it was.

Brandon Handley 51:32
I mean, there’s, there’s a whole idea of like, you don’t you don’t have to slow down but Calm down, right. Like, take it slow. Not even again, not slow, deliberate, purposeful, intentional pace, right? Not not frantic, as if there weren’t enough for everybody. Because there is right and and not, you know, I love your experience is is also to the idea of Providence, right? Like, you know, you’ve been the provider, but people will provide for you. Right? And, and it’s not that it’s something that you’re not looking for a charity, but it’s something that will happen naturally, if you kind of allow for it, right? Again, the Providence surrendering to the universe to God, whatever, just being like, Hey, I’m doing what I can, right. So you know, what does it mean? So, what does it feel like? Then? I guess if you know, if you’re not fulfilling, what do you feel like you could be doing more? Do you feel like you need to be playing bigger? You know, what, what’s that look like for you?

Allan Dubon 52:37
Excuse me a little bit of both, right? It’s I was, I had exceeded I like to I’m a data nerd. So statistically, people who had my upbringing, don’t reach where I’ve reached, sure. But to me, that’s not good enough. And it’s not to aggrandized myself, it’s, I can serve others. And so it’s, it’s that tool of, or not the tool, it’s getting the tool, which is money, and connections and stuff like that, so that I can then teach others how to grow out of their situation, wherever that might be. Right. Right. And so claim bigger to that with urgency. But not frantic, like you said, calm down. Right. But that’s my calling, right? It’s made very crystal clear to me. And, and, you know, taking care of people in that sense. And then planning and purposefully doing things like, hey, once I get my job back, we’re gonna, or I can do my business or whatever, you know, however, that looks, right. We’re going to create an account where we’re going to start actually putting money away every check every sale, every whatever, so that it’s not, oh, we happen to have an extra 200 bucks. Let’s get a couple Nerf guns and pray vows for these folks. You know, it’s it’s right? Hey, we can really plan this out. Right? and serve one to 510 families, whatever it is, right? But make it purposeful versus Oh, we’re gonna be good people and help. But it’s because we happen to have 300 bucks extra for sure. No, I get it. I get it. You know?

Brandon Handley 54:17
Yeah, no, that makes sense. Man. I love it, though. I mean, so, again, I’ve loved I’ve loved your journey I’ve loved you know, I don’t love that you had cancer. But I do love that, you know, you kind of, I love the way that you went through it. And how you you kept your shit together, for the most part, how you faced it with this attitude of service. And I’m just super glad that we had the opportunity to connect and that you made it through man, you’ve been a big part of like I told you at the beginning a big part of spiritual dope, big part of my own journey. And, you know, I’m not a data analytics guy. So you know, my forecast though, is like more Allen Right, my forecast is more out in the life and, you know, so if, you know, if you were coming out of it and you had more energy right now who would be like somebody who’s your ideal client,

Allan Dubon 55:17
somebody who’s got an idea of where they want to be, and a purpose. And it doesn’t mean you have to know exactly what the business is, or anything like that you can, or grow the business or whatever, but really, it’s about purpose. And the purpose to me needs to be more than just, I got to make money. It’s got to be what am I going to do once I make money in my life? And how am I going to serve others? Because that’s what drives me is that money is a tool

that spans the gamut of Hey, they’re they’re only making 50,000 a year or maybe they’re making 5 million a year you know, it spans all of that because it’s, it’s Hey, it’s more of a purpose driven than I want to make this much per sale. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 56:18
I love that right. When you when you inject purpose and that kind of everything that you do you really do accelerate it right. So So what you’re offering do then is to help people kind of get clarity and accelerate their their purpose and vision so that they can have a more fulfilling life is that what I’m here?

Allan Dubon 56:35
Yeah, yeah. Awesome, brother.

Brandon Handley 56:38
Hey, thank you so much. Like I said, I know you’re you’re still kind of coming out of it. But I appreciate you jumping on and sharing a bit of your story sharing you know your conversations with God even though you’re not you know, what’s the guy’s name Neale Donald Walsch or whatever. So Alan Duvall take on conversations with God today. You know, fighting cancer. And and you know, getting a second shot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I love that for you, man. So thanks again. We’re have some people check out more on.

Allan Dubon 57:08
I’m pretty much Alan dubon everywhere. ondemand.com on Instagram, Facebook, and Alan dubon, even clubhouse. So

Brandon Handley 57:17
awesome. Awesome. All right, but thanks for being on today. Thanks, guys.

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Jean Walters is Amazing on this Episode

Stop in and check out the conversation that Jean & I had reviewing her recent book “The Journey From Anxiety to Peace: Practical Steps to Handle Fear, Embrace Struggle, and Eliminate Worry to Become Happy and Free”.

 Jean Walters is a Saint Louis based teacher of self-empowerment principles for over thirty years.  She has studied metaphysics extensively and applies univeral principles to every area of her life. 

Jean’s mission is to guide people to the Light – to encourage, instruct, and assist others to live freely and express from their Highest Selves.  Jean is an Amazon Best Selling Author.

She has been listed in Who’s Who over 30 times.

Connect with Jean over at https://spiritualtransformation.com/

Transcription by otter.ai

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in their thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. I for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with Jean Walters. She’s the author of the journey from anxiety to peace, practical steps to handle fear, embrace, struggle and eliminate worry to become happy and free. Now Jean has written a large number of other books and has you know, she’s been at the forefront in this movement for personal transformation, clarity and truth for over 40 years through her writings, consulting coaching and Akashic Record readings, which we got to talk about for people all over the world. She’s been a consistent source of light, clarity and inspiration, she’s intention and commitment to deepest truth have brought her to share her wisdom and guidance to 10s of 1000s of clients and students as the leading authority on metaphysics, she promotes deep spiritual connection and enlightenment. She’s authored articles and columns and major newspapers and magazines all over the United States, and is a best selling author on amazon.com. There’s quite a bit more here, which will be part of the post. But your overall mission gene is to lead people to light to encourage, guide and assist others to live freely and express from their highest selves. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 1:52
thank you, instead.

Brandon Handley 1:55
Thank you. Thank you, and thank you for being on today really looking forward to the conversation happened for a little bit here. Now, one of the things that we touched on there, see Akashic Record reading, and I think it’s gonna play really well into how I like to open these up. And that is, there’s somebody who is listening to this podcast today. And as you and I are designed more as like these vessels for energy to speak through, right? What is that message that somebody needs to hear from you today? That’s kind of sources speaking through you,

Jeane Walters 2:30
you know what, as we talk, they’re going to find their message. So we’ll probably cover a range of topics and ideas through this podcast, but something’s going to stand out to each person that listens, that at the end of every class, I say to this, who is what was it that stood out to you tonight, and they always have something and the point of it is, is that you’re going to hear something different than maybe I do, but it’s going to resonate to exactly where we are in life. And that always works. It’s, it always works because spirit is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and it’s always there, we’re in it, we’re above it, we’re living in it, we’re breathing it. And so we’re constantly being guided every single day to what it is that we need to understand, change, let go of move forward with the opportunities are there. So somebody I what you really, I hope people will email you and say, Hey, this is what I heard. That would be wonderful for you. And then you’re pass that on to me. And we’ll both we’ll both celebrate. How’s that?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely. I love that. Right? That says nothing better than somebody reaching out to you and letting you know how you’ve impacted them. Yes. And And to your point, you never know what is they’re going to hear or receive. And they come back with some of the kind of uncanny things like, wow, okay, I didn’t hear that in the conversation. But I’m glad you did.

Jeane Walters 3:52
And people call me like, 40 years later and go, you said this, and it changed my whole world. And I went, Oh, well, that’s cool. I don’t remember saying it sounds like something I would say.

Unknown Speaker 4:05
Sure.

Jeane Walters 4:06
It’s always thrilling when that I get that kind of feedback.

Brandon Handley 4:09
That is absolutely. So let me let’s talk a second about how you found yourself in this space to begin with. And I love the listeners to understand that and a lot of us, myself included, I mean, I’m probably three or four years into this kind of journey myself. So I’m super curious to hear how you came into it and how you stuck with it and what that’s done for you.

Jeane Walters 4:29
Yes, well, I had the opportunity to grow up with a very fear based mother and so she was a constantly worried constantly anxious and pretty much a wreck and today we would probably have diagnosed or medicated her and you know, so forth. But back then we didn’t do any of that stuff. But she was she was everything I read accuse her that you could make a hangnail into cancer, you know, because everything was just disastrous. So I I didn’t like it and I was constantly talking trying to talk Come out of it. And I was trying, I was pointing out things that she could be happy about all the time. And so we were fighting, and we were, we were like on opposite ends of things. But the thing that occurred to me is that I’m going to find another way, I’m going to find another way. In fact, I’m going to eliminate worry from my life. And, and that’s exactly what my journey was started. You know, I started reading and studying and finding ways and this was before you heard about meditation, and now it’s rampant. But this was before that, and I did, I went into some metaphysics classes, I learned to meditate. I read the Bhagavad Gita, I read the life of masters of the Far East, I just gobbled it up. And but the thing is that I learned how to practice it, because I have a very practical side to me where I don’t want to just hear about it. And I don’t want to read about it, I want to do it. So that’s how it moved me forward into a different kind of lifestyle. So I can say that I have eliminated worry from life, because I see that there’s another way to be, you can get above the things that are going on, and you can look at it from another dimension, and you can get your answers that way. But when people Meyer themselves, and I mean, that’s the right word, Meyer themselves into trauma and drama, and so forth, all they can see is more trauma and drama. And that’s what was going on with my mother. So she was unable, she was unwilling, I think, in many ways, she was unwilling to actually look at life from another point of view. But I at the very end, she was she actually thanked me and was very respectful, which I thought was pretty amazing. For someone like that, you know, it I I saw her anxiety affecting her health, and I really knew that it was affecting all of us as a family. So anyway, I don’t know, I think, I think that was a gift in many ways, because it really motivated me to look beyond to find other ways to dealing with life. And there are answers everywhere. I mean, Jesus gave us a lot of answers. So did Buddha, and probably every other master that we could study, you know, they all had the same kind of answers to help us though.

Brandon Handley 7:14
I love it. Um, it you know, when you when you say it like that the the idea, even like we already said is that, you know, you’ve got Buddha, you got Jesus, and they’ve got their, you know, they’re their kind of doctrine, if you will, or at least knowledge that then wisdom that they passed on. But each person is kind of going to have a different approach to that. And they’re only going to be able to hear maybe so much from from one of those. So you need, I think you need all those different flavors, if you will, so that everybody’s able to kind of come at it from a different direction.

Jeane Walters 7:45
Well, they were kind of like the finger pointing in the direction, basically, I don’t think they were here to be worship. In fact, I don’t I know for a fact that they did not, that was never their intention, but they pointed the finger in a direction and the direction is really self mastery. So that’s, you know, basically what I’m getting to more in this book is how to manage how to take control of your own mind. because your mind is the part of you that creates your experience. And if we’re constantly looking at what if this, and what of that and what I should be afraid of today, then we’re gonna constantly be creating, you know, an experience of fear and drama and pain and suffering, which is unnecessary. But we have but is it by discipline, because we have been surrounded with all kinds of negative messages. I mean, just all you have to do is turn on the TV for five minutes, and you’ve got a half a dozen right there. So we have to choose very carefully who we allow in our life, what kind of activities we partake in how we choose to look at these things. And you know, it’s like, I think you and I were talking a little bit earlier that an opportunity can show up or, you know, to meet a certain person or to try a new experience, what I’ve learned to do is listen to my intuition and go, is this something I need to do? Is this some business, right? And when it clicks, as I say, what sort of clips then I move forward with it. And I think anybody can do that. It’s not magic or anything, but we have to train our minds so that we’re actually receptive. Also, people tend not to create goals, they don’t decide this is, like I said, early, you know, I want to learn away so worries, not even part of my life. And I so that was a focus. And because of that focus, I took all the steps to move in that direction. It didn’t happen overnight. But I learned and I think that’s the thing that people have to understand is that this is not this is not like a lightning strike that hits you and all of a sudden you’re aware, but but it’s a matter of steps because we we have to in many ways we have to move beyond the the ideas and beliefs that we were taught you know, I that’s a big thing that I do is I help people recognize where they got stuck, what kind of belief they bought into that has kind of in many ways messed up their life. And unworthiness is a universal thing. You know, and they base it on the craziest stuff, you know, be I’m unworthy just because I must be because that’s what I was taught. That’s silly.

Brandon Handley 10:24
Yeah, like that. I mean, you talked about one in the book to the, the, he talks about kind of putting yourself not first, right, because, you know, some of you are maybe smarter or raver come to answers ahead of others. So you learned a lesson, you thought the lesson then was, hey, I need to hold back and let the rest of the group catch up. You want to talk about that for a second, and maybe how you broke through that one?

Jeane Walters 10:48
Here. Yeah, that was a very powerful remembrance that I had. And it was only a few years ago, I remember that. And then it kind of made sense to me how I had been conducting my life. But I’m a twin. And my twin sister was always a little bit behind on certain things like math and things like that. And so I was constantly like, you know, Gene, teach Jane, you know, Gene, she doesn’t get it work with her. And so I learned how to be a teacher early in life. But one day, my mother, my sister, and I, and we were together with our third grade teacher. And she said to my mom, Jean is ahead of the class, and she could skip the next grade. But Jane is with the class and she’s right where she needs to be. So I think you should hold Jean back, because it would embarrass Jane. So think about all the messages that were there, you know, the message is, Jane’s embarrassment is way more important than jeans moving where she needs to be. And, and so I was basically taught to be ahead, or to be in some way smarter, was not the thing that was going to be honored, what was going to be honored. And this was definitely honored and my family, the poor, the victim, the poor, poor me person, that was the one that got the attention. So I disengaged early in life and became very independent. Because I saw this phenomena I saw really that you know, and I would even try to talk her out of it. Now I can change, you can do this, of course, you can do this. So later in life, I realized, oh my gosh, that’s a phenomena that has taken hold in my life like I hold back, because I know the answer, but they don’t. So I’ll wait. And I and I have done that I did that. It really made me very mad, which was a good thing. Because I was I wasn’t mad at myself for buying into it. But of course, I was a kid at the time. And I think some of the people in your audience are going to this is going to resonate to them, I really do believe. But at the same time, I thought no more. I’m never holding back again. And so that became my credo from there that point forward is like, if I feel an urge to take a trip, or learn a new subject, or speak in front of crowds, or whatever, doing it, I’m doing it. And even if it scares the crap out of me, I’m going to go do it anyway. In fact, I’m going to do it twice as hard.

Brandon Handley 13:16
Yeah, one of the things that I heard another two is a, Your Honor, anger almost a little bit, right, you had this energy. Yeah, this is something that recently for me, had always been dismissive, kind of, of like, my anger or whatever. And more to your point, like when you grow up, you know, you, your parents be like, Well, you can’t be mad at this. Can’t be mad at that. So it’s like a kind of a depression, right? Well, I guess I won’t be angry at this, and I won’t be angry and mad the other day, and, and it was a, I just held it for a minute. I was like, You know what, that’s I’m just angry. And that’s okay. You know what, that’s that’s what that emotion is that I’m feeling. And you could take it from there and redirect it right. And, you know, kind of redirect that energy. But there’s no sense in not acknowledging it for what it is to open this other door for you. Right, that, you know, that anger, that frustration when you found it and acknowledged it opened a new door for you?

Jeane Walters 14:09
Yes, it did. And also, the other thing I would urge people to do is when they feel that anger to ask themselves some questions, what am I really angry about? Because I can say I’m angry at my teacher, I’m angry at my mom, I’m angry at my sister. But really, it was me that took on the message and said, Okay, now you have to hold back. They didn’t say it. I just said it to myself. And that’s what happens with most people. They take something and then they internalize it and make it about themselves. You know, and though that’s so those are some of the things we’re in what I work with someone I can catch that and go, this is what I heard you saying this is where you’re telling yourself you can’t move forward. Right? And when a lot of times when they just see it, it’s like whammo, you know, like for me, it was a breakthrough. And, and for them, it could be a breakthrough. too, so we have a lot of breakthroughs in life if we learn to use them. I don’t think anger is bad. I think it’s really hard on you if you live in anger.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Sure, sure. I mean, again, like SOS It was a I’ve been dismissive of anger, right? And kind of like I had like, a wall off from from accepting or acknowledging the emotion versus Okay, that’s anger, you know, to your point. Where’s that coming from? Why am I feeling it? Am I angry at me? Or the situation? Right, you know, just don’t even pretend.

Jeane Walters 15:32
What do I believe that I’m angry about? Sure.

Brandon Handley 15:34
Yeah, I mean, because the opportunity to kind of take one step back away from it. And I love that you kind of talked about this in the book, tuners, a.

Jeane Walters 15:42
angers powerful. Yeah, it’s very powerful. And I what I notice about anger is we people get angry, when it’s time to take a step forward. Anger is like something that serves you, if you use the power of it to move forward. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 15:58
yes, it’s making me think it’s making me think of the thrust of wings, right? Like, you’re right. I’m just gonna get every lift off out of here. So

Unknown Speaker 16:07
so I really Yeah,

Brandon Handley 16:09
I like that, too. So and one of the things that to anxiety that your book is kind of covering anxiety, right, how to go from anxiety to another. And, and one of the ideas that struck me, and I’m not sure if this is true, like you are not on anxiety, but like, to me anxiety is kind of like this energy source and not being able to direct it right, appropriately. And, and so you’re just kind of like, ooh, what do I do with all this, and then having no internal or external appropriate, quote, unquote, direction causes this, this anxious thing happens, that makes sense,

Jeane Walters 16:42
oftentimes, is being in it, whatever the in it is, you know. But one, one thing I would say, and I say, to give you an immediate change, is if you’re sitting, then get up, or if you’re inside, go outside, whatever you’re doing, stop that and do something different. Just shift it, shift the energy, and just like that, you’ll get some relief. But once you like, let go of what you’re doing and where you’re at, then you can actually move your mind to a higher place, like imagine that you’re sitting on top of a mountain, and you’re looking down at the problem, whatever you think the problem is, and you’re just sitting there observing it, without any feeling, just watching it, your mind will now be open to some other ways of dealing with some possibilities will come through. But we have to shift our mind to get out of that mindset first, you know, and most of the time, we’re anxious because we’re feeling helpless, or it but the truth of the matter is, you’re you’re never really helpless. You, you can always do something different. You know, even if it’s like, stop everything, go to the gym for a while or just get outside and take a short walk five minutes, you’ll come back, you’ll you’ll be have a new fresh mind, your mind will always channel your answers, if you discipline your mind to be able to do that. Do you want to talk about that?

Brandon Handley 18:07
Yeah, I do. So I think he talks about it in the book too, right? And I’ll give you just my perspective. And see we’ll play off of that if that’s okay, you know, just kind of, you know, your, your your consciousness, like what we’re eminently aware of, like, I can see you You can see me we can hear this conversation, but the, to leverage it as kind of a filter as to kind of what you accept, assess like the, we’ll call it the 5%. Right? That’s my active brain. And then my subconscious is the rest of my brain like another 95% of there’s like, this is the thing that breeds my breath, does my blood draws my hair knows, I don’t know how to do any of that. But I’m doing it right. So once I realized I’m doing all these super powerful things already, I’m like, Well, why don’t I toss this question that like this 5% of like, my brain does, like, there’s a squirrel type stuff, right? I’m like, Alright, well, I tossed you know, the the one that’s got the capability to breed the breath and do all these things. I’m going to toss the I’m gonna toss the question to that. Yeah. And, and, and just walk away? Because I don’t know that I mean, so how is your approach similar? Where would you you know, I’m sure yours is different. But I’m just curious. So

Jeane Walters 19:20
no, I love that. But because it’s like getting into the not knowing is what I call it getting into not knowing is powerful. And the reason it’s powerful is because we open our mind to the field that knows, but we can’t open our mind to the field that knows, as long as we’re going, Well, I know what I have to do. And I’m going to do this and I’m going to do that. And this is way we’ve always done it and so forth. And all we’re doing was is on the dribble. We’ll go around it. Yeah. So if you take if you go to not knowing and go, I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know it. I just think there’s tremendous power in that. My method is to meditate and so basically What I’m doing is going into my 5%, as you would call it into my Viber set and just yielding to it, and allowing myself to just live in that spaciousness, because it’s very spacious. And to just be there, and whether if I have a question, okay, but sometimes I just go, there could be in the spaciousness, what it does is condition, your mind that it conditions your mind, and your mind is way bigger than your brain, by the way. But I know you know that. It conditions you to be able to live in this spaciousness all the time. So a lot of people don’t understand it, because it’s very nebulous. I mean, there’s not a forum to it, you know, and we like to have forms to everything. But anyway, once we learn to practice that, you’ll notice that people who meditate regularly are calmer, they don’t tend to be reactive, so much. They’re just they just healthier, because the blood pressure goes down. I mean, all of this been documented. But I love your idea about, go to the 5%. And just listen to that for a while. When you meditate. After a while your intuition gets stronger and stronger. We all have intuition everybody does, but it gets stronger, stronger to where you’re really learning how to listen to it all.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Thank you. And then you know, kind of the idea of, you know, what you focus on, right? I mean, that’s the other thing too, right? If you focus on that victimhood, you know what happens, right, and then how I weigh it, let’s talk a little bit about that. And maybe how you’ve gotten some clients to shift?

Jeane Walters 21:32
Well, first of all, you have to point it out to them. And, you know, if they’re real attached to it, they don’t like it. If you put it, but but you know, I feel like my job is my job. And if they come here, then they’re ready for me. So you have to point out that Oh, my gosh, you sound very much like a victim, you know, like, and you’re letting this person run you. And I pointed out a lot, you know, I mean, people do it. Like you’re letting the news run you right now and you’re letting the politics and what everybody’s saying run you I had a little girl in here. She’s 18 very cute. And she said, I asked her a question about how do you feel about that? And she said, Well, I I have to I have to talk to my friends. And I go, No, no, no, no, I don’t want to consensus. I only want to hear what you have to say about it. What do you feel? And she was like a deer in the headlight. She She was so not used to just coming from our own heart. But when I said, No, wait, just tell me what you think she did. And she was so clear and so perfect. And I was hoping that that was the moment she walked away with that, that she doesn’t need a consensus to figure out what she what she feels. So but I think that’s kind of typical. I hear it a lot like, well, so and so said this, and so and so said that I went and what are their credentials now?

Brandon Handley 22:51
Yeah, I mean, you know, look, we’ve been, we’ve been conditioned to look for others for answers all the time, right? School, go through school. Everybody else in front of us got the answers. Yeah, you’re at home, you know, your parents have the answers for what’s best for you. And even as a parent, right, like, I realized, I don’t have the best answers for my own children. Right, like, but that’s how we grew up. Right. That’s kind of how we grew up. I think that I’d be curious on your take, too. Are you seeing from you know, you’ve been you’ve been at this for a little bit now. Are you seeing a pickup, a rise in consciousness and awareness? I like to I like the word awareness, I think more Are you seeing present arise?

Jeane Walters 23:33
I do. I think this whole time period that we’re in right now is chaotic, but the thing about it is, is we’re moving as a whole quantum field, we’re moving into a different part of our growth, we’re changing from a very masculine, you know, very aggressive kind of energy into a calmer, more nurturing energy. And it’s kind of a mess. I mean, we’re, we’re moving from one to the other. We’re not in one completely. We’re not in the other completely. So it’s kind of mixed up right now. But but it’s all moving. And if we look around we go. There’s people being very kind. There’s people. Here’s something I hear all the time, I’m simplifying my life, I’m simplifying my life, I’m giving everything away. You know, I don’t want to have all this stuff anymore. And I think that’s a sign that’s a sign and I’m here at least every day, that people are just moving into a simpler energy. They don’t want to be cluttered anymore. Yeah, they don’t want to be owned by the what they own found out

Brandon Handley 24:33
that I mean, because he owned you, and the things that you have basically own you right and that or identify you and

Jeane Walters 24:43
you have to take care of them. You know, they’re taking space in your house, or you’re paying for their space that they’re sitting in a box on the shelf. That’ll never be in

Brandon Handley 24:51
the boxes. Lots of boxes. One of the things that you’ve got in the book I really enjoyed too, and I think you touched on it for Second, is that in your spiritual nature, you are also perfect. Right? We talk about this reminds me of a line that I heard from Bob Proctor a lot. It’s just like your spiritual DNA is perfect. Yes. Right. So what do you mean by that? Like? And how can how can I begin to use that as a seed for my own greatness?

Jeane Walters 25:22
What a lovely question. When you see a baby, you see pure light and energy you see love, you see inquisitiveness, you see, adventure, you know, you see, what is this? And what is that? And how does it work, and I want to do it, and you see joy and laughter, right, that’s our true nature. And so what we do tend to do is look at our body, we look at our things, we look at our form, and then we judge Well, you know, my nose is too big, or my losing hair, whatever it is, we make up in our mind. And we make that, you know, I, I, this thing about finding, you know, finding something wrong with you. I mean, a lot of that has been grown out of religion as a matter of fact, but as pure as pure energy. And when in the violences, God made light and called it good. And if you look, if quantum physicists look deep, they say take a microscope and look deep, deep, deep into everything, every substance, and you what you’ll find is light. So that means if you look inside of us, you’re going to find light. I’ve seen it since I was a little kid the light. But so that’s who we are, we are the light, but we’ve taken on all these other identities. So. So when we’re rebel, for instance, then we’re living out of rebelliousness, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how we use it. But we’re forgetting that who we are as a as a being is perfect. So that means when we come from love, we’re perfect. But we’re always perfect. As a spiritual being, we’re always always perfect. It’s when we identify with something beyond that, that’s when we get in trouble. That’s when we that’s when we look at ourselves and find fault and judgment and so forth. Does that make sense? Is that

Brandon Handley 27:13
it does, I enjoy that. It’s just so once you realize I yeah, once you realize that, you know, applying that right? And so I think, you know, for example, what I do is I once I realized that I used that as a seed for just to let my spirit grow, right? Not necessarily make myself feel better about anything, but just to realize that creature of divinity creature, the light, right type of thing, and again, spiritual DNA is perfect. So what am i growing? You know, I’m you look, I’m not gonna sit here and say, I’m perfect. You belong in

Jeane Walters 27:49
consciousness to have that awareness that you are in every moment, that perfect self. Yeah, you know, and that means if you fall off your bike, you just get back up and get on your bike, it doesn’t mean anything about you. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad bike rider or that you’re a klutz, or anything else, it just means you fell off your bike. Sure, all that life is that, you know, we define ourselves too much at the times, but what we did or did not do, and, and that’s, it’s good to learn from those things. But it’s not okay to define yourself as a loser, or even a winner or, because that’s a definition again, and it live, every definition limits ourselves. It Right now, we said we’re probably going to Democrat, we’re an independent, we’re, we’re, we’re limiting ourselves, because then we had to fit into that mold, whatever we dream up that mold to be. And we’re, we’re we’re more than that. We’re more than that. So I think this whole idea that we have spiritual, our spiritual DNA is perfect is realizing that whatever direction we go, we’re gonna find our way.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Let’s talk about that a little bit, too, because I really love that you hit on that in the book as well, you know, kind of no matter what choice you make, you’re gonna be okay. Right. So let’s talk to the audience a little bit about that. And maybe some examples of where you seen that play out for yourself.

Jeane Walters 29:14
Well, divorce. I mean, the first time I got a divorce, it was like, Oh, my God, you know, it was a stigma. And yet at the same time, and I’ve worked with so many people and picked on was there’s more diverse people than there are people are long term marriage, you know, that allowed, you know, I feel like there’s a theme and a purpose to every marriage and every relationship, for instance. And that when you maybe it’s to help you that my first marriage was to help me become very strong and independent, and to learn how to be responsible. I had four kids, you know, so there was a lot of responsibility there and I learned it but there was a point at which I needed to grow beyond that, and I was not going to be Be able to I was going to be held back again, hold back. So it was time to move on and and find another way. So is that a failure? Is that a success? What is it? You know, it’s To me, it’s like, it’s not even falling off your bike, it’s just realizing this particular part of the pathway is now complete. And I like the idea of going you completed that graduated from that. And because I think that’s a more accurate way of looking at things than to say, Oh, that was so sorry, that failed for you. And it didn’t fail. You know, it was a great success. I was even confronted someone on the radio, and he said, Oh, boy, you’re just saying whatever you’re saying, because your marriage failed. And I said, I didn’t have a failure of a marriage. My marriage was perfect. You know, it got me exactly where I needed to be. And hopefully him too, depending on because willingness, you know, but I think that’s a really typical example for a lot of people. And the same thing is true with jobs. I’ve seen people there was a fellow I met who was a head engineer at this company. And he had been there a long time. And he was going to be a lifer. And something happened in the company, that and they went down, the buck fell on his desk, and they said, you know, your fire, you can’t be here anymore. And he, first of all, he grieved. And then he said, Wait a minute, I’ve always wanted to start my own company. And he said, I never would have done that as long as I was in that situation. And so he started his own company was very, very successful. So I think that that’s how I look at things that happen for me and with other people is that there’s beginnings, and there’s endings, there’s always beginnings. And the first time I did a lecture, I was a total mess. But I know I was scared. And so what I did was, of course, I did it. And it was not very good. But each time then I went out to do a lecture I asked myself, so what exactly happened just then? And when did you get comfortable? And what made you comfortable? And when I started answering those questions and looking at the whole experience, I realized, when I decided to shift my attention to the audience, and not to me, I was fine after that. So. So that’s why the transitioning, inexperienced is a wonderful thing. Because you you can learn so many beautiful truths, by just observing it and asking yourself some questions. But the second you start judging it, then you’re, you’re kind of lost, because now it’s a bad experience. You know, I’ve heard people told me that being sick was the best thing that ever happened to them, because they realized they weren’t doing what they really wanted to do. And they can one gal one fella told me, he decided to become a clown. And he said, I’ve always wanted to be a clown. And so he decided to become a clown, because he got sick. And he realized I can’t waste my life anymore. So those are the things that I just really get a lot of inspiration from that. That’s kind of how I conducted myself.

Brandon Handley 33:11
So if you’re sick, you know, you’re not doing what you maybe you should be doing. realign yourself. And so I think that that’s, that’s also a lot of fun. And I think that there was, you know, another similar relationship that you mentioned in the book, too, that I thought was pretty cool, right? Like, there was a woman who had grown past that kind of relationship, but it was her self that needed the focus. And so she gave herself the focus. And it was just within that, that time that you know, she became happier and kind of let go with some other aspects in the relationship that she been giving energy and attention to, and therefore how to happier relationship.

Jeane Walters 33:49
Yes, yeah, right. That happens all the time. Yep, sometime, Brandon. And because we were so sort of programmed with this idea that we’re here for everybody else. And I love the idea of service. I love the idea of service. But I think the first person I serve is me, you know, because there’s no way I can serve anyone else if I don’t pay if I haven’t nurtured the quality wisdom within my own self, you know? So yeah, my mother was a great martyr. And we all all three of the girls learn Marty damn well, but I would catch it and go, Oh, my God, that’s my mother. And, you know, and I need to stop and reevaluate and go, Wow, how much do I give and how do I give and what really works for me because I am a giver. But I don’t want to exclude myself in the process, because that’s part of what made her sick. And it makes everybody sick.

Brandon Handley 34:51
Let’s uh, right. So, you know, kind of what you’re saying to and you also said this in the book, give, give, give like friendship. Brain give of yourself and I love the I forget where I heard it, but you’re, you know, you are the giver and the gift. Yes. So So what does that mean to you and just share that with with the group.

Jeane Walters 35:15
We have energy coming in through us all day long it comes into us. And then our job is to give it out. Okay, so we can give it out through a smile. And we can give it out through applause. Or we can give it out through supporting someone or we can give it out through writing a book or doing a podcast or giving out energy. And so many if we don’t know how to do that, well, if we’re not following the our own inner voice, and if I’m an artist, I want to give art, if I’m counselor, I want to give help and wisdom and support. So when we’re when we’re listening to that we’re giving it but what happens is it comes right, the energy comes right back into us only it’s multiplied. So giving is a very powerful thing. And the giver is is the one that gets the most out of it. But what we’re giving is, whatever I am is what I’m giving. So I’m giving nurturing, I’m giving kindness, I’m giving loans, I’m giving you support. Somebody else is giving their artistic ability, or someone else’s giving. They’re fantastic on how to fix cars, they can listen to an engine and go, I know exactly what it is. I think that’s a huge gift. I think somebody else’s giving. They know how to grow vegetables like crazy. And then they they do that and give that. So we’re giving all the time we’re giving up who we are. And that’s exactly perfect. That’s exactly what we’re here to do. So you’re not to, you know, there was a story of Norman Vincent Peale. Remember him power positive thinking. And he told a story about this young man he was working with and a young man had failed at the insurance business three times. Why was he in the insurance business because his dad was very good at the insurance business. And he wanted his son to succeed. But he forgot to notice that his son was not an insurance man. So what the son with peel was noticing as well. He was talking to this kid, he was feeling the wood on the table next to him. And he made a comment. He said, I noticed you’re feeling that word on the table. What is it about that? You said I love Ford. I absolutely love what I love. I have a building with it. I love making furniture out of it. I like designing furniture. I love it. And he said, Why aren’t you doing that? You know, so the kid got permission to follow his heart and do what he loved. And he was wildly successful doing this furniture. So to me the gift was his beautiful creativity, ability, his skill, you know, and what he received back was was appreciation, low money, you know, whatever. And, but he prospered because of that because he was alive now doing what he giving away what he what he was

Brandon Handley 38:10
right. And I love that and you talk about it in the book as well is the idea of kind of just doing what you love. And not chasing the money for it and think I’m guilty. Just as much as the next person. Especially with like, you know, social media, Instagram, all the all the Go, go do this thing that you love and monetize it, do the things you love and monetize it. Yeah. And and just trying to let that go what you know, kind of walk somebody through that, you know, how do you detach yourself even from the monetization aspect of it? Knowing I think, again, to that everything’s gonna be okay, just go do what you love. I mean, when

Jeane Walters 38:49
you get I think it, it becomes a natural movement. You know, you have to like, plan, I’m going to make a lot of money with this furniture, I think it becomes a natural movement. Like, I love your chair where you build me a chair like that, and I want to give you money for it. Okay, great. I’ll do that. And so I think it becomes a natural thing it did for me anyway, I was teaching a lot and in my students would always come to me and my counseling. And then one person said to me, why don’t you that’s your really your job. I mean, that’s really what you’re here to do. Why don’t you just do it and get paid? And I went, well, it made sense to me, because I realized that when people pay for it, they receive it. Have you noticed that?

Brandon Handley 39:34
Well, yeah, there’s I mean, there’s a big there’s a big piece in there too, right? Yes. And you’ll see the flip side of this where people will, you know, say, Hey, I’m gonna charge for something such as spiritual coaching, right? Like, well, you don’t need to charge for that. Well, if you don’t set a value for it, then then people won’t value it and it’s not just and and, you know, listen, that to me is more of just a socio kind of setting that works. Right. And if I don’t charge you for it, then then it’s gonna go on the shelf with everything else.

Jeane Walters 40:05
Exactly. And that’s what I noticed. Because in my in that when I first started teaching, I wasn’t charging for classes. And then then I noticed they weren’t taking it seriously. When I started charging for the classes, everybody started doing the things they asked them to do.

Brandon Handley 40:20
And the results were probably, you know, twice as effective, right? I mean, if if I give you something for free, and you don’t use it, how useful is that?

Jeane Walters 40:27
Yeah. And it’s also frustrating for the teacher 100% Why am I doing I’m sharing this beautiful stuff, and you’re not doing anything with it, you know, but I want to get to your point, though, I think it happens organically. I mean, I think that when I have a fellow that was going to the junkyard and picking up pieces of interesting metal, and then then he would solder them together or whatever, he found that and make these art pieces. And he just, he loves doing it. But at some point, he decided to take him to an art fair, at some point, he’s selling his art pieces. So I don’t think that you have to start out with the idea. Like, I’m gonna make a million bucks This way, you know, I but I think it comes organically, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:09
that makes sense, right? People start doing their art as kind of a again, you get and get rid of getting rid of the idea of a side hustle or putting pressure on yourself to create, right, and I think that that’s not a piece of start winding down here with, you know, the idea that you need to create, you know, your experience here your spiritual, everything boils down to the need to self Express, self actualize, and create a soft people about that.

Jeane Walters 41:40
Well, and even as a dad, you know, as a creative experience that, you know, when your son asks you a question, you’ll, you’ll have to ponder or maybe you want to take them someplace, and then there’s maybe something that you’re instructing them with that, but it’s a creative expense, even like when they’re crying and you just hug them. That’s a creative experience. So in we’re here we are creative beings. And we’re constantly emitting our, our channeling it. channeling is a great word, our creativity. And so we just do what comes naturally. And we’re really good at it, like, you

Brandon Handley 42:17
know, so I remember talking to somebody, I was coaching somebody, and I said, hey, you’re very creative. And she goes, Well, I’m not creative. I don’t know how to draw, I don’t know how to do this. And you’re breaking out of that paradigm that creativity is bound to paint, this is bound to a musical instrument. And to your point there, you’re saying creativity is creating a moment, right? Creating an instance where it’s memorable doesn’t have to be memorable. You are the creator of that, right?

Jeane Walters 42:43
Yeah. And then take it to another level is that where are you focusing your mind? What are you creating today? are you focusing on everything that has gone wrong in your life, then then you’re just creating more of that. If you focus on your appreciation, joy of everything, that’s that you’ve experienced everything that’s right in mind you, you create more of that, wherever you put attention on grows. And so that’s, I guess, the biggest meaning and message I’d like to give out is that pay attention to what you’re focusing on, because that is what’s going to grow in your life.

Brandon Handley 43:18
I love that you bring that up, because I’m just kind of glad I had some highlights in the book, right? While I was reading and you know, right there, what you’re saying too, is when you stop focusing on negativity, but I have this line highlight is the moral Is that you, if you are removing negativity, from your thinking, be sure to grow something new. It’s there. And I think that that may be a piece that is often left out in that conversation like, oh, if I just focus on both, so talk me through that one.

Jeane Walters 43:46
Yes, yes. The mind is always full of ideas and such. And so we if we say we’re going to create this empty mind when we meditate, No, you’re not. What you’re going to do is in the beginning, and you might get there eventually. But your mind is always busy. So if you if you don’t choose where you’re going to focus, then it will keep going back to what you’ve always focused on. So you’re really training the mind your it’s about training the mind to be where you want it to be, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, I just think he’s an amazing example of this. He was born in Austria, and he decided he didn’t want to stay there. But he went to a Kawan movie, and he decided I’m going to be an American cowboy. And so from that point on, he focused everything he did toward that goal. And he said, people would tell me all the time, it’s impossible. He said, I didn’t pay attention. They told me you couldn’t do it didn’t pay attention. Your accent is too thick, didn’t pay attention. And he just he took the English lessons. He, he did the bodybuilding thing. He found his way he people started supporting him. You got to the US me focus, focus, focus, focus, and he refused. used to any idea that he wasn’t going to make it. And I think that is so powerful. But that was the way he chose to focus his mind. And when we do that, that’s amazing. I mean, we can move mountains, we can move mountains. So we have to recognize when we’re off the track, and then we have to recognize we are off the track and move ourselves on the track. What is it you want? Now? How can you begin to focus now, what’s one step you could take today that will move you in that direction, anytime, write a letter, send an email, you know, make a phone call something, get busy, you know, and when you do that, you move toward the goal, the goal, the universe works that way. Whatever you focus on increases, the universe completely support you in that. And so when people are worried, worried, worried, worried, worried, worried about being sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, guess what happens, you know, and so this is so important, and it’s so relevant right now that we decide we’re what we want to focus on and keep moving. Just keep moving.

Brandon Handley 46:03
The big partner, right is just to take that first step. And make it be small. And that’s fine, right? Because a just any, any, any action into the direction of your dreams, your desires, whatever you feel like calling it to me anyways, your signals, the universe is like, Okay, I’m ready to I’m ready. Right, let’s let’s start. One of the things that is newer to me, and I’m curious on your take on this is the idea of surrendering to the universe, right? If I surrender to the universe, how does a if I surrender to the universe, I’m like, Okay, give me all the things or do all the things and like, I’m not gonna try and direct you because the universe has a greater idea and more experience than I do. Overall, right? But how do you pair that up with like, setting goals or like, you know, trying to make a direction? I think that that’s, that’s an interesting one, which I

Jeane Walters 46:59
love that. Thank you for asking that question. That’s great. So I said, so we set a goal, like Arnold is great example, I’m going to be an American cowboy, I’m going to be in the movies, and then he surrendered to how it was going to happen. But everything that walked across his path that looked like a pet, a way to get there, he took advantage of it. So that’s what we do is that we set our, our intention, you know, I, for me, it was I want to live in this energy of this higher self, I want to live there, and I want to help other people live there. So then I look at a class and a class might show up and go is that part of my journey? Is that I look at a relationship and ask, Is that part of you know, am I lined with this vote? And my focus? Is this part of my alignment? And then we get those answers, we begin to see that all of those things show up, because they’re in alignment with what we’ve focused on. But, but he didn’t say, well, it has to be through bodybuilding, or it has to be that bodybuilding magazine showed up. And he went, I’m going to do that. And that was part of his journey. So I think he’s a great example of seeing he knew what he wanted, and he didn’t know how he was going to get there. But as things showed up, he would take advantage. So that’s what surrendering to the universe is all about. I don’t know how I’m going to get there, you don’t know, you’re going to get there. So we acknowledge that. And in so doing, we create mental space to go. So what’s the next opportunity?

Brandon Handley 48:28
That’s great. sounds a little bit like the line of you looking for the evidence of it happening, right? And also, I guess it I don’t know about for you. But for me, I’ve got to have this kind of mentality of you know, this is a benevolent universe, I’m here for a reason and a purpose. You know, this is my intention going forward. And now I’m going to look for the evidence that the universe is kind of setting that up for me.

Jeane Walters 48:55
Well, if you think about your son and say, You’re I don’t know how old he is, but you’re going to teach your mind or throw the basketball or something or ride a bike, you know, you know that there’s you start with getting him on the bike, and maybe you’re holding the bike. But at some point, he’s now balancing pretty well, and you can kind of push the bike forward, and he’s got it. So to me, if you look at that as an example, that’s exactly what the universe does for us. You know, it’s teaching us through different modes and modalities, you know, how to get on the bike and ride it know without crashing?

Brandon Handley 49:30
Sure, sure. Well, is there anything else out of the book that you want to hit on? While we’re here?

Jeane Walters 49:38
The main thing that I am saying in this book is you can make a choice. Yeah, you can make a choice that if you want to live in a joyful life, you can choose that and then and then do the things that are necessary. There’s practical steps in every chapter. So you start One step, start on another step to get started, and start moving your mind and your energy in a way so that you are living the life you really want to live. Your it’s your choice, you have dominion. That’s the main thing I wanted to teach with this book.

Brandon Handley 50:17
That’s powerful. I think that, you know, toy choice, it’s like, because I have it written down here, to kind of hit on choice. But, you know, making learning to make that choice. Finding that awareness is kind of where the power is at. The funny thing about that is this for me anyways, when I did my journey, I thought I was always making choices, you know, but what I was really doing was accepting others choices for me.

Jeane Walters 50:43
Yeah, right. That’s what we do we start out that way, because we don’t even know that we can make a choice. Right? Yeah. And then, and then sometimes the parents these days are going well, do you want to do belt volleyball? Or do you want to do soccer, you know, so there is a choice about But before that, we’re just told, do this, do this go shorter this time, and whatever. So we do have to kind of teach ourselves along the way, we really are our best teachers.

Brandon Handley 51:09
And for people that haven’t figured that part out yet, like, what is

Jeane Walters 51:15
your life, just like your life and go? How is my life right now? Where am I happy? Where am I not begin to look at that and go, what choices got me to this point? And what would I like to change? And then what are the choices, I need to make an order to move in another direction. Just look at your life, your life will tell you exactly what your choices have been. And that is no judgment at all. Just observe it like you’re observing somebody else’s life. And then ask yourself some questions. You know, does this fit me? Because sometimes we stay in things so long that they don’t fit anymore. And then it’s not serving anybody to stay in something that’s over. It’s finished. You know, people die in their jobs. I mean, they’re like, they have dead eyes.

Brandon Handley 52:00
Yeah. Listen, I mean, so I mean, that was I mean, my 20s I was, I was at I was at a job. And it was, it was a fine paying job. It was a corporate job. There was money, there was benefits. But what there wasn’t was living. Yeah, I looked around everybody, and I saw the day everybody’s kind of walk around like zombies. What you’re talking about glazed over. And I set myself as like, if this is gonna be like, the end game as it can wait. Come back, right. This isn’t. This isn’t where I’m gonna spend my youth. And and I didn’t. And

Jeane Walters 52:38
you though, I mean, really. Kudos to you. Because you went for the, you know, he had a lot of money at the job, and a lot of people will stay for that. literally dying inside? Yeah, they have money. Sure. It’s like believing it. You can have money doing anything. I mean, I feel like money is one of the easiest things to get.

Brandon Handley 52:59
Sure. But well, hey, let me share that one with people. Because I mean, what how did you develop that mindset?

Jeane Walters 53:05
Well, you got to get past the unworthy stuff. I mean, you got to get past this idea that you’re limited being you know, like Arnold, he, he grew up in Austria for heaven’s sakes, he didn’t even know English. Right. You know, those were limitations by a lot of people’s estimation, but he decided no. So I think it’s how we look at things. I mean, it a lot of people just don’t feel like they deserve to have an amazing life. And but their father, I call it the yellow brick road. You didn’t you know, you grow up, you graduate, you get your education, and you get married, you have kids, and it’s like, wait for retirement. And, you know, it’s a road to death. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, I’m, I always want people to look a little higher than that, you know, like, those are all great things in their turn, if they’re right for you. Sure. And they’re not right for everybody. Right. You know, we can’t make it a cross the board formula, but I think that’s what we have done culturally. Right. You know, in your measured by that like, No, no, no, no, no, you don’t get to be measured by that. How many toys do you have? You probably have more toys than I do. So, does that mean you’re more successful than I am? No.

Brandon Handley 54:23
Right?

Jeane Walters 54:24
What is if success is joy?

Brandon Handley 54:26
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to have some joy, right? in your life.

Jeane Walters 54:30
What are the most, you know, I think about a Mahatma Gandhi didn’t have any money. Okay, um, Jesus didn’t work on money. You know, Buddha didn’t. He was rich, but he gave it all up. So all of these great masters. I mean, I don’t and Martin Luther King didn’t like work to have a million dollars. He didn’t do that. He had a mission show all of these great masters. were telling us that, you know, money was not their endpoint. Doesn’t but I don’t think money is a bad thing. I don’t want to give the wrong message. Oh,

Brandon Handley 55:03
yeah, no, no, but but but but the thing, more important to what you’re saying before, right? You know, do what you love and the money will follow. But we’re talking about these other people, you’re talking about the Masters, you’re talking about Martin Luther King, what they did have was something greater than themselves in their purpose.

Jeane Walters 55:21
And they were fed and they had whatever they needed. I mean, Nelson Mandela is another great example. I mean, you know, it wasn’t money was not the end all. But, you know, he had what he needed. I mean, he never went hungry. So that’s how life is, you know, we can’t make money, the goal, we can make it something to enjoy

Brandon Handley 55:42
100%. And it’s funny, because, you know, we have this kind of this conversation with my children, too, right? They tell like, hey, I want to, I want to get a good education so I can get a good job. So I can do as I stop, I’m like, wait, you you want to you want to provide value? Right? So I mean, just kind of flip the script a little bit. Yeah, I want you to make money in our money. Absolutely. But yeah, to do it, be because you’re providing value and we’re columns, he wants off, whatever, you know, have those those conversations with the children. So this has been a blast. I enjoy it. I want to say thank you for you know, it was your assistant that reached out to me, but you took the call when I called you back and enjoyed our conversation that first time. Enjoyed this conversation. And you’ve got plenty of other books for people to go to check out on Amazon. But this one, the journey from anxiety to peace is Is it is it out there now is it released?

Jeane Walters 56:32
It’s Yeah, it’s available. It’s actually international bestseller. Look at anything about the world ready for

Brandon Handley 56:38
you.

Unknown Speaker 56:40
It tells me there’s a lot of congratulations.

Brandon Handley 56:43
Yeah, there’s a lot of anxiety and I think this is I think this is a great book and like you said you’ve got on you know, in the sub sub text right? Yes, you know, practical steps to handle fear embrace struggle, eliminate worry. And you did you had a lot of yet a lot of great tips in there. Just like you had the practical applications here in the conversation as well.

Jeane Walters 57:02
Thank you so much, Brandon. I really this is fun, and I really appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 57:06
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Sam Crowely Everyday is Saturday

Sam Crowley is a former Fortune 100 exec who launched the personal development brand Every Day Is Saturday & the hugely successful EverydayIsSaturday.com. Sam is a best-selling co-author, speaker & business coach.

I followed Sam’s podcast for a while and eventually, I got the bug… I needed to create a podcast and I hired him to be my coach… it was during the process of creating the podcast and working with Sam that I had my “awakening experience” and at some point I had asked Sam if he could tell me what he meant by bringing someone to Christ.

That was a couple of years ago, and I wanted to capture what that meant from him again so that I could share it here with you…

Check it out and, hey, check out his podcast as well… very good spiritual dope!

Interested in working with Sam? Check out his current site: https://launchmymovement.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey, their spiritual dope I am on today with the legendary Sam Crowley from every day is Saturday and something I haven’t talked about on this podcast is is that Sam was sounds like my coach Sam’s like the reason I have a podcast at all. So, you know, super excited to have you on is Sam, what’s going on?

Sam Crowley 0:25
Hey, Brandon, great to be back, man. It’s been a minute since the last time we chatted. So I’m fired up. And I love spiritual dope. I think that’s a great title for a podcast. So congrats,

Brandon Handley 0:35
man, I appreciate appreciate your huge inspiration as to why I am where I am today. And I think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast. And I always like to start these off with like, Hey, you know, God kind of talks to us, right? We’re just we’re just here, living out his message. Right? So in that vein, what’s God saying to you today that my listeners need to hear?

Sam Crowley 1:00
Well, I think no matter where you’ve been, man, no matter how big of it, like I am the world’s biggest screw up, you know, I’ve made way too many mistakes in my life and you know, too embarrassed to talk about most of them. We hide a lot from you know, our authenticity, because we’re afraid that other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it. And you know, we end up tripping over our past man. And I’ll tell you, if you and I’m not saying you got to put all your stuff out, you don’t need to do that. But I just did a Facebook Live Video literally right, before we jumped on about this topic. So if I can share that if it’s okay, I just yeah, absolutely just want to say that, you know, I help people really gain clarity and with their messages, you know, and people are like, Well, I’m not an A list celebrity or nobody knows me. And I’m not famous that. That’s great. Like that works in your favor, because I don’t know about you, but I am way past wanting to hear from Hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life, or who to vote for or anything like that. I just, I go to a movie, I want to watch a movie, you know, I want to learn from everyday people that are struggling, that are having financial relationship, money problems, not that they’re whining on me, but they’re one step ahead of where I am. So if I’m making 10 grand a month, I want to learn from somebody making 20 grand a month, if I’m in a, if I got a girlfriend, I want to learn how to make that person, my wife and how to treat her right. If I want a closer relationship with God, then I want to plug into somebody who doesn’t need to be a pastor, just but somebody whose works have some messy stuff in their life. And they figured out how to just get through the valley, they haven’t figured life out. I mean, nobody’s got that figured out. So God places on my heart every day, watch what you say, Crowley because you’re a loose cannon out there. Okay, the tongue can be used for good and not so good. It can be used to tear down it could be used to build up. So make sure you try as best you can. Because I know you’re still gonna screw this thing up. But you got a podcast, it’s been downloaded 20 million times you got a little bit of responsibility. Now you’re not that bubble on a skillet, from way back in the day, who could just go all over the place. And so I just want everybody to know, your path should be celebrated that you’re still here. You made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just say they just want to know, can you get me from point A to point B, that’s all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. That is if it’s cleaning your carpet, trimming your trees, coaching, building a website, figuring out a mortgage, that’s all they want.

Brandon Handley 3:19
That’s it, man. I love it. I love it. You know? And that was actually again, one of the things I loved about you, right? It was a week we connected you. You’re promoting your podcast course. And I bet I was like that’s it. I mean, this guy’s got something I want, right? And that can get me somewhere. And that was the course. And then when I got the course, here, Sam Crowley shows up and like a baseball cap. And you know, there’s a whiteboard flip chart, he’s just doing your thing. And you look, it looked like I could do it. Right. I was like, Well, okay, that’s the next step for me. How can I How can I move to what Sam’s doing right and share at the same time share my message, right? I share this thing that’s in my heart, finding, what is that thing in my heart, right? Because man, talk to me about how you know, give the audience here who doesn’t know every day is Saturday, a little bit of background?

Sam Crowley 4:12
Well, my daughter back in the day, I was a corporate slave and I’ve been in the corporate game for 15 years, and I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. I was making about 110 grand a year salary, stock options, company car, all that stuff. But I had just become a dad recently, a few years prior to that. And my dad left me and my mom raising kids by herself. This was the late 60s I was born in 1968. My dad left you’d had he went crazy. just lost his mind left. My mom’s raising kids so you know, welfare and all that stuff. Free cheese, goodwill, clothes, all that and you know a beaut alcoholic mom pretty abusive verbally, but I knew she loved me deep down knew she loved me. She never told me never heard it once from a parent in my life. Wow. Or you are loved and I searched for that my whole life. It has a lot to do with why sometimes I do. stupid things is because I’m looking for that acceptance. Because I never had a grown up, man. All I ever heard from my mom was I never asked for you, and I never wanted you. You know, that’s what she told me a lot, you know, while she was on the ball. So I never held that against her though. So I said, God, if you ever get any kids, I’m just going to be the best part. I’m going to be that Dad, I’m going to be throwing the football, I’m going to be going to the games, the ballet, I’m going to be picking them up. And you know what, man? My daughters have never they don’t even know me ever having a job. They don’t recall me ever go into a job. And they don’t ever resonate. They just know me as the guy that’s into drop offline and the pickup line at school. And look, man, I am not you know, Mr. Mom, I’ve got a wife at 22 years, he does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at 24 weeks one pound. And we didn’t sleep for three years because the kid was in children’s hospital. 221 days begging for life. When she comes home, we turn her house into a hospital. She was on a train ventilator and all of that. So you know, the everyday Saturday story, by the way, she’s six years old. Now the happiest kid you’d ever seen no trick, no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem, things like that. But she’s built in the image of the Creator, just like you are just like every listener is built in the image of the Creator. You know, I’m a Christian. So I believe that we all have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And I think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the Old Testament, you got Moses, you got David, you got everybody like that. And, and they say, Man, what is it like to live with the Holy Spirit inside you? Hmm. We didn’t have that before Christ, like, Whoa, that would be like, wow, you got all these people in the Old Testament would have loved have had the Holy Spirit, the Spirit Jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. Were bulletproof man, you know, we’re only here for a short period of time. That’s why I walk around with kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say Hey, man, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me I don’t worry about finances, I have a little bit of anxiety, worry about my you know, but but that’s what it means to me. And the whole everyday Saturday messages is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self. And I know I’m gonna make some people I’m pissing people off, I get it, I’m gonna acquire taste. And I’m not I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, I get it. But I’ve been able to, you know, through only through the grace of God and the Holy Spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with and just allows them I teach people how to share a compelling story. That’s it. I teach people how I do 10 minutes story, podcast, in my car in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. And I’ve been doing it for 15 years. And that’s really the crux of my business. It’s so embarrassing. But it’s what I do. Like that’s all I do

Brandon Handley 7:42
not and it works for you. Right? I never knew the the part were never never caught that, you know, your mom never even said that. You know, I love you. That’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to tough way to grow up.

Sam Crowley 7:55
But you make you appreciate, it makes you appreciate because it makes you do a 180 in life. Like if you’ve been if you’ve been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you’re sober for X amount of days, or you’ve been a drug addict or you’ve been up up, you’ve been addicted to porn. We all have addictions, man, I was addicted to money and ego and all that. But when you never hear I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don’t have a drink? Or do you make sure you’re more cognizant and forgiving of those that are going through tough times? I think it I’m not trying to go all you know the other way. But I really think it’s a blessing if you can just look at it from that perspective, you know?

Brandon Handley 8:32
Well, yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a big challenge to to get to that point, right? You got to get you got to get to that point to be able to say, you know, everything that I went through was to prepare me for what I need to go through. Right, or to help other or to help others get through similar things, right? Be like, Hey, here’s, here’s a path forward, you know where you are, right? Now, if you’re talking to somebody that’s in a similar situation that you went through, be like, hey, there’s, there’s a way out. And here’s what I found. That works for me, right? I love how you brought up like, you know, kind of the Holy Spirit, right? Being imbibed with that touch. I mean, I’m not 100% sure what you mean by that. So if you could tell the audience what that means to you, I’d love to love to share that.

Sam Crowley 9:08
What Jesus said that I leave my spirit with you when I die, I’m going to heaven. And I’m seated at the right hand of the cross. And I will come back again one day to judge the living and the dead, you know, and as Christians, we know that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins we Christianity is not a deeds driven religion. You can’t you know, you can’t go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or say 10 our father’s in a hail mary or anything like that. That’s not getting you into God’s already given us through the grace of his son’s death. We have that tickets been punched. So it’s not like you go out there and you don’t act nice. It’s just that it doesn’t matter. Brandon, you could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody and you and I are still getting into heaven. As long as I asked for forgiveness of my sins and accept Christ as my Savior. There are 10 commandments in the Bible. Thou shalt That steel is one of them. That you know. So if you steal $1 from somebody knowingly and I go kill someone, those are viewed equally in the Bible isn’t as you’ve broken a commandment, there is no little white lie or venial sin or mortal sin, all stuff. So what it means to have the Holy Spirit inside of you is that you’ve got that power of Jesus Christ inside of you, doesn’t mean you won’t die of cancer. Now, I mean, that we have, it’s a fallen world. That’s the other side of the coin. You know, I’ve lost friends in my 30s and 40s, I lost my mom in 1997. I mean, I’ve had nasty things done to me, I’ve done nasty things to people. I mean, it’s a fallen world, man, we also have this thing called free will, you know. But when you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, that means you have Jesus Christ himself inside of you. So when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table, and you just got laid off, it’s not like it’s a get out of jail free card, but it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of Christ to know that we this is just a temporary gig, man, even if you live to the mortal age at 78, the average mortality in the US there, and I’ll give you the exact analogy of a gentleman, this pastor, Francis Chan, who used this analogy, imagine a row that goes all around the world, millions and millions of times just this big row, and millions and millions and millions and millions of feet of this row, at the very beginning of this rope rain is just that red marker. And just like that just right, the very beginning. That’s life on Earth. No, no rest of the rope represents eternity. So that’s why, like I said, I get mad, I fly off the handle, you know, and I get anxious about stuff. But when you rest in the word, you’re never anxious, because you’re resting in Christ Himself. This is all just such a temporary gig, man. It is.

Brandon Handley 11:51
I love it. And I love the idea too, that you, you don’t hide this from anyone. Right? Or at least back it up. Because when when I did, when I was, you know, a big listener of yours. You were, I think just kind of leading into sharing, you know, your Christianity like, full on like super hard, right? Like it was your it was it was the, you know, armor of God ages or whatever like that, right? Like, this is like you were just going full on. You talk about what it meant for you to incorporate that into your podcast. Well, you

Sam Crowley 12:28
know, I’ve always been a Christian was always like, I grew up Catholic. And then in 2005, I would, I would say, that’s what most people would view as the word like being saved. Like you’ve accepted Christ into your heart, you know, and then around, you know, five years ago, or so when I was going through all this stuff with my daughter, I’m like, man, all I have all we had was faith. That’s all we had. We didn’t have anything other than our faith. I’m not, I don’t know what to do with a kid born at one pound with a hole in her heart, several brain bleeds. I don’t even know she can see me. I mean, what do you do with a kid at one time? All you have is faith in God that at that point, at least, that’s all I had. So I started, you know, sharing more of it on social media. And then what’s funny is I just did one town a lot. I sent an email out to my list, and I said, Hey, man, I gotta give praise to God. You know, I don’t know if you guys get this, but I am a Christian. I believe in God, I just like everything I just told you, you know. And I had an email list of 39,000 people at the time, and I said, Hey, if you’re on if you want to stay on my list, man, and you believe this message, you click this link. Well, 38,000 of them did. Okay. So my email is basically going from 39,000 to 1000. But my business increased that year. So I mean, look, I don’t know, but I just, I’m not a preacher, Pastor, teacher,

Unknown Speaker 13:37
you know.

Sam Crowley 13:39
I mean, I think even Tony Robbins would acknowledge that all of the motivation that he says, or Jim Rohn, or Les Brown, it all comes from the Bible. It’s all the parables that Tony talks about, and Jim Rohn if you’ve never listened to him on YouTube, it’s a must listen. They all come from the Bible, Bob Proctor, they’re all biblically based, you know? And so they’re 66 of the best motivational books you’ll ever hear all wrapped into one book called The Bible, and a lot of people butcher it. Like they’ll say, money is the root of all evil. Well, no, the love of money is the root of all evil. Yeah, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay, but that’s because money’s reference. There’s a reason why it’s referenced more than any other phrase in the Bible, because God knew it would become an idol to us, you know. So I’m not a pastor. I’m just really in tune with the Christian message. And if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer, a glass of mirlo, I’m that guy. If you want me to quote scripture, I’m not that guy, because I can barely quote it, but I know who wrote it. And I’m got a pretty good relationship with the guy, I think, you know, but I’m not here to bring anybody to Christ. I’m here. If anybody were to say, Hey, tell me more about it like you did.

Unknown Speaker 14:46
I’m here to tell you more about it.

Sam Crowley 14:47
But I think the worst thing we can do as Christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat and say, repent, repent, you know, your last day No, because people don’t read. I think people resonate with more how you carry yourself, you know, then how you can Quotes scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like, quotes the Bible and throws it back at me, you know?

Brandon Handley 15:06
Now that can be that can be annoying, but it’s funny. It’s funny it’s you bring up, you know Bob Proctor right. And and that line the the idea of people people don’t resist change they resist being changed right from Bob Proctor like that’s that’s one of his lines the you know you brought up you bring it up like you know maybe your job is not to bring people to Christ but we you and I had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to Christ. Even if you don’t feel like that’s your job? What does it mean to bring someone to Christ them?

Sam Crowley 15:41
Well, I think we have a mutual friend Adam, who thanked me because he claimed that I had brought him to Christ and he got baptized, and he let me know about it one day a few years ago saying, Hey, man, I got baptized, you know, you’re the reason I came to Christ and like, Wow, that’s pretty big deal, man. Like, I would give away all my money and all everything. God if some if I were to get that message, you know, because, as Paul says, and all the apostasy I mean, the reason they were persecuted, and all of that is because they want they were preaching the gospel, you know, and we’re sick. We’re the only reason we’re here as Christians is to share the good news. But I gotta tell you, dude, I ain’t going to Kroger in the produce section and sharing the good news with a stranger. I just don’t do that. And I know I’m supposed to do that. But I just can’t, I can’t do that, you know. But to bring somebody to Christ is like, that is monumental. I mean, that is amazing. Because now you know that they have that everything I just talked about earlier, they have that they rest in that piece, and they have that relationship. And it’s a personal relationship to everybody. That’s why I’m not in your face. But it’s personal to people. So, you know, if you are messing up, I’m not here to say, you know, stop watching the porn or stop stealing money or stop gambling or anything like that and say, Man, if you if you want to talk about it, if I can help you at all, I can share some great resources with you, but only when you’re ready, because if you’re not ready, it’s just it has the opposite effect, you know.

Brandon Handley 17:02
Now, I like that a lot, too. I think that’s almost fair to have some of these. I don’t know, put ourselves out there some of these endeavors, right. But also be willing to take that step towards that if that’s something that you think is good for you like, go go explore it and go find out what it’s like. And again, go to somebody like Sam, or others, like, you know, for Christianity or podcasting and marketing, right. For me, I think I think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in what’s inside of me, right, the spirit that’s inside of me, Holy Spirit, I guess, right. I think that I could make that linkage, feeling that and then stuffing, you know, this was another huge. I love that. I still like this is a lie that echoes from Sam’s podcasts from back in the day, because when was the last time you stepped out in faith? Mm hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I’m sure he probably said it several times since since then on the podcast, but you know, you would hear Sam go When was the last time you stepped out? When is the last time you went out? You did something that you you believed in right. And in yourself, right. with purpose and passion does and Sam, if you haven’t listened to Sam’s podcast, this is something that he does very well. I told him I hadn’t listened for a minute. And I picked up podcasts listen a few this morning. It seems like charging, charging, gung ho with everything. And then it was so much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational, you are inspiring. You know, I caught the one where you know, your daughter was being bullied. Yeah. Right. And just just how fired up and how authentic you are. On your podcast, when somebody you know, reaches out to where should they be in life? Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to Sam Crowley to have you coach them or mentor them for podcasting,

Sam Crowley 18:54
they got to be ready to step like you just said it step out. And a lot of people really, they just and I was that way to man, I’m not here again, you got to be ready, you got to you got to be ready to launch your message. And that sounds pretty, like scary. And what do I do? It’s nothing. I mean, it’s just let me help you gain clarity on what your message is, like I said, you could be a carpet cleaner, tree trimming trees, you could be a motivational speaker, whatever it is you want to do, but everything comes to us through the power of a story. And I teach people how to tell their story. So you got to be ready to create your million dollar message, and then learn how to make money with that message. And that’s an organic play. It’s not a push button. I mean, we can all buy Facebook ads, drive traffic to a funnel and then deal with all those numbers. I’m more of an organic guy where I like to build it from podcasting is my main thing, but you could do it on YouTube. You could do it on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, I mean, I’m just I focus on podcasts and because I’ve been doing it 15 years and I like to do simple, better. You know, if you talk about that one phrase right there, do simple better. So keep it simple and do it Better than everybody else. Don’t keep you know, look squirrel, you know, and you go chase in 10 different things. It’s just, I’ve seen that I’ve done it, how do I know what doesn’t work? I’ve done all this stuff I talked about that doesn’t work. The only way I know is because I’ve actually done it myself, you know? And so I’ve chased those squirrels to shiny objects thinking I’m gonna get on a webinar. Oh my god, I’m gonna do real estate liens and tax liens. And I’m gonna go do commercial real estate and I’m gonna go be an MLM. And I’m gonna have lotions, potions and pills in my basement. My I’ve done all that man. And you know what that works. There’s billionaires in the MLM industry, you know, who isn’t passionate about lotions, potions and pills, this guy, me, I wouldn’t be good at it. Because I’m not passionate about it. You know what, I’m passionate about getting on a podcast with you and talking about stuff that’s real. And, you know, when you talking about faith, a faith that’s never been tested can’t be trusted. So if you think that you’re going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out, it ain’t gonna work. Because if you’ve never tested it, how could you possibly trust it? You know,

Brandon Handley 20:59
always so much fun with Sam Crowley always so much fun. Sam, I know we’ve got kind of a short time period today. So I’m not going to try and drag anything out. You got time? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when I’m, when you also talked about being saved in 2005. Right. I’m curious what that look like and felt like for you?

Sam Crowley 21:21
Well, I had been through a bankruptcy. So I was humbled. Thank God when he’s when you’re ready to come to him. He I think he’s gonna humble everybody. At some point in time. I had an ego the size of Montana. Like I said, I was running a $90 million corporate division here in Cincinnati. And I had all these employees problem was I had 20 college credits, most of them gym and health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn’t get my dog to sit, let alone you know, get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john Maxwell. Okay. So I was just terrible, I think at what I did, but I was getting all these accolades and getting promoted, but I didn’t have a passion for it. And it all came crashing down. I left and I thought there’s going to be I bought a quiznos franchise and that what the hell I love went bankrupt, lost 300 grand, borrowed money from my sister lost that I had no money, man, no money, file bankruptcy October 11 2005. It was humbling. I didn’t bankruptcy is like a scarlet letter. I thought you could just not ever recover. It’s done, you’re done. And I lost my job and why I left my job. But then I went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that’s when I would start going to church with my wife. And I’m like, Man, this is crazy. What’s really putting her hand in the air? What we don’t do that at cat like growing up Catholic. You don’t talk in church? You know, what’s that PowerPoint up there? Man? This is good. This is what is this a movie theater production or something? But then it started to work. And that’s what God does. He starts to work on a broken heart, a broken person, you can’t we got this facade up. You got that ego like I you know, you can’t God can’t go to work on you. But he will, he’ll get to you. And he’ll get to you through the crack in your armor. And we all got to crack an armor and heal us and Satan will get to you through the cracks in your armor to. And when Satan gets to you through pornography, through drugs through alcohol through money, he knows the crack in your armor, he will work that crap. God was looking for the light and he’s looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan’s looking to do one thing that’s all he can do is why he’s got to lie. It’s all he does is lie. The one trick that’s the lie to you. So when I was saved, I accepted Christ. I said, Man, I can’t do this anymore. I don’t want the ego. I just don’t want any I just want a relationship with God. Now I know why I’m here. And that’s you know what happened?

Brandon Handley 23:34
as powerful I’d never heard that story from you before. So I appreciate you sharing that. When when you not now you’re not you’re full in right. Do you feel like your business is more fulfilling? Because you’ve got your spirituality? Lead on it?

Sam Crowley 23:50
I think so. Yeah. I mean, look, I don’t have it figured out. I feel like you know, I have I listen to great podcast elevation church, Steven furtick in North Carolina. I love my favorite podcast. I listened to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind where it needs to be. And here’s the thing I do have that I don’t think I used to have is when I feel myself straying off course. God brings me back and look keep the main thing the main thing remember your dad your husband? Yeah, you know, this business isn’t everything cuz? Look, I have ups and downs like everybody does in business and relationships and you know, finances all that stuff and health. But I feel like you know, now at least I’ve got kind of an internal GPS guiding me. I didn’t know that before.

Brandon Handley 24:39
You mentioned like the health part. I know. I remember. One of the big parts too. When we first connected you were doing 100 laps, I think through the pool. Right? And that’s, that’s actually what I mean. I ended up doing it too, which is really funny. I ended up you know, swimming and doing a triathlon and, and getting healthy. You know, how’s that tying into to kind of everything you’re Going to

Sam Crowley 25:00
Well, my wife and I joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and I weighed 210. But I’ve kind of purpose because I drove the car off the cliff with food night before I started going out to a big dinner and my wife and I weighed in at 210. down to 190. It’s only been five weeks. We’re on week six. Now, my wife and I’ve grown very close together through this because we’re doing it together. I did drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. She’s like, I don’t want to do this belly. Come on, let’s do it. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We’ve gone closer we eat together now breakfast, lunch, dinner, because we got to eat the same types of foods and stuff. And I always think that, you know, health is so amazing. I’m 52 years old man. I feel like I’m 25 I’m not really I’m not just saying I really do I feel the aches and pains. And I get up a little bit in the morning that I didn’t when I was younger, but I mean, I’m running three, four times a week I’m lifting three times a week. I feel like I could you know, get in a ring with a gorilla and beat the crap out of them. And I feel like I can outrun Roger Bannister, man, you know all of this at the same time. And I say all that jokingly because I can’t do any of that. But health wise. Right now I feel I’m just getting healthier and stronger and my mind is sharper. And for example, I gave up cream. I never had sugar. I gave up sugar a long time I gave up sugar and pasta A long time ago still eat bread sometimes. Well, now I’m drinking black coffee. I’m not a black coffee guy at all like I can I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought I’d have to have black coffee. Well not you get a little bit of you know, flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodle. Something like that. It doesn’t count against you. It’s all about that intermittent fasting. You know what I mean? Sure. So I’m a black coffee guy. Now I’ll never go back to cream. I haven’t had cream in six weeks. I haven’t had sugar in six weeks outside of fruit. You know, natural sugar.

Unknown Speaker 26:42
Feeling amazing.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That’s what you’d be doing now. Right? That’s what it’s like. I mean, cuz I’ve been a black coffee guy for years. And like, really? Oh, yeah. When I see put people put cream and sugar. I’m like, that’s a Why would you ruin a good coffee?

Sam Crowley 26:56
Dude, you should go to Dunkin because there are people who get 1213 sugars. Okay, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. But I was in line the other day at Dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Yeah, five sugars and on a Carmel swirl coffee which is all sugar itself. She leaves I go Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with it. Five sugar. She was a guy before he had 13 I go 13.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
How to how do you even drink coffee with 13 sugars? stick with what we’re doing to our body? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:26
All that all that inclusive. All that included? So you mentioned you mentioned a couple of podcasts and what are some audibles? I guess that you like to keep your spirituality Mojo going,

Sam Crowley 27:40
like audio books or podcasts or

Brandon Handley 27:42
audio books, podcasts, resources that if you know the people looking for a spiritual bump, or as I like to call it spiritual dope, get their hit. Where would they go? Like what do you like?

Sam Crowley 27:54
Well, I think there’s a few Steven furtick. There’s my number one, like I said, elevation church. I love it. Chris vallotton has some great audio books. The one I listened to recently was called poverty, riches and wealth. It’s v as in Victor al L. Ott, O n Kris vallotton. Chris with a K. K ri s. And that’s a great audio book. It’s a biblically based book about poverty, riches and wealth. And it doesn’t make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy Christian. Alright? Because God, God, God wants us to be prosperous. He just doesn’t want us to idolize money. That’s all. And so look, if there weren’t any wealthy Christians, churches wouldn’t be built hospital England and get funded things like that, you know, we need very, very wealthy people who know how to use that money for God’s kingdom. So those are the types of audible audios that I search for our wealthy, both. I don’t mean wealthy, just money wise, I mean, wealthy, but I’m not going to listen to somebody who says give all your money away. God doesn’t want you to buy That’s crazy. You know, God, we can’t money is just a tool. It doesn’t like the old adage I don’t know who said it, but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper, put an egg on it, you know, money.

But, you know,

it’s just I like wealthy Christians who do good things. I mean, Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life, you know, and that guy, reverse tide is 90% of his money gives away lives on 10%. Now I understand 10% of 10 million or whatever, the guy has a lot of money, but still, he’s given away how many other people could make that much money and give away 90% you know, so those are the types of teachings I like to listen to.

Brandon Handley 29:29
And that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Reminds me of a good a Buddhist Reverend on I talked to him every once in a while. And he talks about being able to give with wisdom, right? Not just not just like, give it all away. But to be able to give and know that it’s going to a place that it’s going to have an impact. It’s like an investment in society. Right. where’s this going to best? best best? best play out? Is it brother I don’t have a whole lot for you today, man. It’s been a minute I wanted to go. Yeah, well wanted to get you on and just, you know, thank you again for being the inspiration that you were, and are, and you continue to be for others and what it looks like to, you know, be a shining light and have a flourishing business. And that’s something I think you’ve exemplified.

Sam Crowley 30:15
Thank you. And it’s great catching up with you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Brandon Handley 30:18
Absolutely. Where do I send people to go find the SAM Crowley?

Sam Crowley 30:23
Dale, I’ve got a brand new video I put out at launch my movement.com and they could check out I will launch and your entire podcast for you.

Brandon Handley 30:32
Well, well, wait a second. What’s that look like?

Sam Crowley 30:36
What’s that look like? All you got to do is literally talk, I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with your podcast. So all you got to do is literally just speak into the microphone that I tell you to buy. Even that

Unknown Speaker 30:48
part is done. Wow. Wow. Okay,

Sam Crowley 30:51
so it’s a done for you podcast is program if you go to launch my movement calm.

Brandon Handley 30:55
That’s awesome, man. No, that’s great. That’s great. And the guys guys and girls. You know, Sam has been doing it for a long time. He is a coach for Tony Robbins. Right. Can I say that? You know, they’re coaches on a podcast. Yeah. So I mean, you know, it’s not like he’s some dude, just like he may be doing I was basement and he is definitely like, is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But uh, you know, you know, reach out to him because he’s legit. He’s been doing it for a long time. And if you’ve got a message that’s on your heart, he can help you get that out there. And the part about like, it had been handheld, like to get through it. And with that kind of plan. That’s awesome. Sam, thanks for putting that out there for people back. Being a good student. Dude. I remember when we I remember when we started working together three years ago. And I know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were when we first started working together. Who’s this guy? What am I getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends, you know,

Sam Crowley 31:54
talk, and we respect each other. And that’s what happens when you get into a concurrent relationship with people on the internet. You know, you can have these long lasting friendships, and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn’t mean you look at them with $1 sign on their forehead, we you know, we’ll be talking for a long time to come. So don’t be afraid to put your message out there. you’ll attract individuals like I attracted Brandon. And here we are three and a half, almost four years later, still in touch with each other. That’s the power of building friendships out of client relationships.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Agree? Yeah.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Teanna is like the sister I never had, a ton of fun and spot on with her gangster like approach to manifestation…

This podcast is for the person who wants to learn how to manifest but is sick of all the crackadoos out there who are super soft spoken and scared to admit that they don’t know how it all works.

Teanna Campbell drops some real dope bombs to this podcast and I am thrilled that she was able to find some time and hop on as we also got to chat about a few of my favorite authors Neville Goddard & Florence Schoville Schinn.

If you are looking for a manifestation coach that knows their shit, reach out to Teanna, she is legit!

Places you can connect with Teanna: Youtube Channel

Books discussed:

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, as if you didn’t already know my name. I am on today with Teanna Campbell. She is a manifestation mindset, money and magic coach, she has one goal, and it’s her favorite. She wants to give you the tools and support you need to release your mind magic, reject your bullshit. And ignite your healing so that you can live life unfucked and stuff your bank account with cash and fill your life with everything you’ve ever wanted. I’m so happy to have you on today, what’s happening?

Teanna Campbell 0:39
That was even better than I could have done. Good job. I’m just out here with you. I’m excited.

Brandon Handley 0:45
What about you, I’m excited as well, we’ve been kind of going back and forth, we stumbled upon each other on Instagram. And, you know, I’m a fan. And so I was like, hey, without let’s let’s have this conversation, you have a great brand. with just your delivery, you’re entertaining, you are clear with your, with your delivery. And, um, you don’t fit the same mold as everybody else to which is great. But as everybody else is kind of doing it like this kind of this, there’s, there’s like a certain way all this has to be done right? And like, you’re not doing it that way. Like I’m like, Thank God and this is it’s refreshing. So happy to have you on super excited. And one of the things I usually like to start us off with is, you know, creative energy source energy speaks through us, right? And it’s kind of like we were talking about before we even got started, like the people that are looking for you just kind of show up. Right? Well, right, that says that you’re, you know, that people are going to hear us talk about today is going to be for them explicitly. And it’s going to come through you right now. So sources saying what to you to that one person listening right now?

Teanna Campbell 2:08
Oh, God, be you I think being authentic is really preached a lot in this industry without being celebrated or necessarily tolerated. Like you said, I don’t really fit the mold. I teach this shit a different way. which some people don’t enjoy. But it is authentic to me. So I just think actually follow the advice of staying who you are. And if other people aren’t doing it your way, then fuck is the effort allowed on here?

Brandon Handley 2:48
I think we started it with that. I mean, it was part of the introduction. So

Unknown Speaker 2:51
you know,

Brandon Handley 2:52
I said you can live your life on Fox. And so you can follow my lead or do what you want to do.

Teanna Campbell 2:57
I mean, I say it all the time I drop it. So I just don’t want to but I think that’s just really the big thing. Fuck them if they don’t accept it, because all of this is meant to be a very personal practice. It’s not a one size fits all there is not a secret formula that someone has unlocked. It’s very personal to each person, and it should be celebrated that you do it individually. So I think that is something important for everybody to remember.

Brandon Handley 3:30
Yeah, so it’s like be authentic, let it go. But be truly authentic too. Right? Not just this not this authentic that everybody else thinks you should be

Teanna Campbell 3:43
different. everybody’s like, be authentic, but do it this way.

Brandon Handley 3:46
Right. Right. Here’s how you be authentic. And if there’s a recipe for it, that’s not necessarily authentic. No. Right. So, um,

Unknown Speaker 3:57
what do I think that you should have on a shirt?

Teanna Campbell 4:02
Now the bitch I was actually just designing it like five minutes ago, honestly.

Brandon Handley 4:06
Well, that’s because and now also say this because you open up one of your YouTubes with that, right? And you’re like, you know, people may know me as or say, I’m a mouthy, bitch. I’m like I’m like I love it. Right and I all I see is that on a shirt for you? Because your graphics are great, right? You do a great job. Who does your graphics? do you do that? You work yourself?

Teanna Campbell 4:26
I do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:28
yeah. So I love guys if you’re not following, john, I’d like just go check her out. It’s fun. You do a good job with the designs and the branding. And so your current brand is a manifestation gangster, is that right? Yes, it is. Let’s talk about it. So tell us a little bit about if I’m checking out manifestation gangster What am I getting myself involved with?

Teanna Campbell 4:55
Um, wow. A lot of fuck bombs. And a lot of nevel teachings mixed in with the fog bombs. People have a big problem with that for some reason. I don’t know why, but they get very offended and say never would have never said that. And I’m like, he’s not alive right now, you know? No.

Brandon Handley 5:17
No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t matter whether or not never would have said it. It’s how you’re teaching it. But would have been funny to hear him talk that way, though. Because what this clip like Anglo Saxon, like, you know, nevel was, I mean, just how would never have told you to get fucked.

Teanna Campbell 5:38
Right? It would have been so interesting. And I just, I don’t know, when I listened to him. I can actually imagine it. Like, you can hear it sometimes in the tonality of his speeches. He kind of wants to. He wants to tell people, I’ve told you the same thing for 20 years. It shouldn’t be this fucking hard.

Brandon Handley 5:56
Right? I think i think i think if i hear him saying it, he’s got the one where he’s talking about getting the clams or something in New York, right? He’s there with his crew. And he goes, and he gets like, he orders it for breakfast. Or he wanted clams for breakfast. Right? And he’s like, he could just see it. He sauced like it like, I don’t know, 9am or something on a Sunday morning. It’s like, he’s just tore up drinking martinis, and he’s going out with his crew. And it’s like, I order the clams. Right? He’s just so you know, he’s so funny, but you could hear him saying, like, give me the fucking clams.

Teanna Campbell 6:34
Right? Right. Like you can hear him he? I am convinced he would approve, but the very strict nashvillians don’t enjoy it, avoid it. Alright,

Brandon Handley 6:46
for those uninitiated without neville goddard, what’s the what’s the history on him?

Unknown Speaker 6:52
So

Teanna Campbell 6:55
honestly, all, I preach a lot of neville goddard. But it’s not from a place of knowing an intense amount about him, I was only introduced to nevel. It’s been less than a year, because I got so excited that I had figured out this whole key to manifestation and I was teaching it to people about how it’s about your feelings and your vibrations that you put out into the universe. And it has nothing to do with your words. It’s all the feelings, all the feelings. And somebody came to me one day, and they were talking about neville goddard. And I’m like, Who the fuck is that? And they’re like, well, that’s what you teach. And I’m like, no, it’s no one’s not I made the shit up. I discovered this, I’m gonna be famous. And they’re like, you need to go check out neville goddard. Right. And I did, and I was heartbroken. Oh,

Brandon Handley 7:48
that’s the worst, right? You’re like, well, I can’t believe this has been done before.

Teanna Campbell 7:52
That’s exactly. So then I ordered every novel book, I could find neville goddard is a manifestation teacher. He’s dead. Now. This he was around. What in the 30s 50s? somewhere? I don’t know, a long time ago, we were not alive when he was around, right. And he taught it almost like he had books published. But it was more underground. It wasn’t like common knowledge that everybody talked about. It wasn’t like Napoleon Hill and the secret to getting rich. His was like seminars that he did. And he would just go and tell people about manifestation I take him he wasn’t really in it for the money. He was like, here’s everything I know. So he has crap everywhere. He will just need to read it. Because I didn’t make it up.

Brandon Handley 8:45
This time, the this time last year, it was totally me. Um, so I’ll throw on the one of the reasons he didn’t need to do it for money. It was like it came from a wealthy family. Right. So he had a super wealthy family. And while he was not relying on that, it gave him the confidence to say whatever the fuck you want to say. Because one of the things that is interesting is that if this is all you do, it can be a challenge. Right? Some sometimes you’ll you’ll may fall out. So lots of good word phrase sell out. Sure. So so an Alan Watts talks about that too. You know, watts fan.

Teanna Campbell 9:37
He, I don’t know who that is.

Brandon Handley 9:40
So real similar with Alan Watts, right. So he’s another guy like kind of they’re, they’re around the same era. Both kind of beat Nicky, you know, weird ways of talking, but similar space. But what he says is like when you do these things, and you have to do it as your only thing there’s a certain sense Stress behind it right? A certain like this happen a certain restriction of yourself right? Not being often Sure, right? Like you’re you lose some sense of authenticity because you’re like, ah, but people won’t buy it because it’s fucking crazy. Right? But like, you also go back to the idea of like, yeah, 50% of the people hate you, no matter what you do. And 50% of people love you. So so it’s like, you know, tell me get back. So you’re doing the devil, you’re doing the nevel f bomb gig. So, yeah, you got into it, though, kind of on your own. So how did you get into this space?

Teanna Campbell 10:42
So I taught manifestation. Before that’s been my gig, I became a hypnotist. And then I got really into manifestation and using hypnosis for manifestation. And through my own trial and error and practice and working with clients, I was like, holy shit, this has nothing to do with the words and the affirmations, necessarily. affirmations are helpful, but they’re not like the key to everything you’ve ever wanted. And so just through working through all of that for a couple years, I was like, Oh, my God, it’s the feeling. It’s the feeling. Right? And I was so proud. But it just started with I taught manifestation. And I was tired of traditional manifestation like, I will reference abraham hicks sometimes because I think there’s some good quotes in there. But there are definitely a lot of people who have heard me say, I hate abraham hicks.

Teanna Campbell 11:48
I hate the way it’s taught.

Teanna Campbell 11:52
And so just through getting frustrated with people not seeing results, doing it the abraham hicks way. I took it and figured out what worked and what didn’t. And it happens to be the same stuff that neville goddard

Teanna Campbell 12:08
teaches about. Okay.

Brandon Handley 12:11
Would you so abraham hicks is a all law of attraction? Would you consider Neville Goddard’s teaching law of attraction? Or would you consider manifestation? Because I think it sounds like there’s a little bit of a discerning, right.

Teanna Campbell 12:28
I think neville goddard actually had a really good understanding of all 12 of the spiritual laws, he doesn’t make references to each specific one. But if you study the 12 spiritual laws, or the 12 laws of the universe, each one you can pinpoint to different level teachings. So I think he just had a really good understanding of all of it. So there is law of attraction in there, because it’s one of the laws, but he goes over all of that, which is probably why I enjoy his work more. I it’s not all law of attraction.

Brandon Handley 13:12
Okay. No, I mean, it’s interesting, right? Because that my, again, my perception is he’s different than just your strict like law of attraction people and, you know, right, positive and positive thinking and all this other stuff. He’s in a different different sphere, different space. And so I think it’s interesting that that’s kind of who you you gravitated towards and, and run through. So you did the hypnosis, right? For manifestation, and then, you know, you came across the feeling part, right? So Where, where, where did that epiphany come from for you?

Teanna Campbell 13:54
It’s so cliche, but I was literally just driving in my car one day, I do all of my best thinking in my car. I am convinced if I ever write a book, it will be thoughts I’ve had in a car. And it just popped into my head. I don’t know if I was talking with a client. I have a really bad habit of doing voice talking with clients over the phone while I’m driving. Um, so I don’t know if I was talking with a client or what it was. But I remember sitting at the stoplight waiting for it to turn green. And I was just like, oh my god, it’s about vibrations. And right there in this split second of it wasn’t a split second, it was like 10 seconds. I had already planned out this entire course about how manifestation is vibrations and how to tune into it. And while I was launching and working with people, somebody told me about nubble It all happened very quickly, but it was just in my car.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, that’s great. It’s great. I think I think that is is huge right where emotion and feeling right is about big part of it when and it’s also tied to the visualization aspect right? And if you tie that right to a your feelings and emotions, right, you don’t know, tell me what happens there.

Teanna Campbell 15:14
Well, I will I’ve never actually heard him talk about it, but I am convinced neville goddard evil either was a hypnotist or had a really good understanding of hypnosis. Because everything he talks about the state akin to sleep in the visualization with the feelings, that’s hypnosis, when he mentions getting really relaxed so that the images go into your subconscious mind. That is hypnosis. So essentially, in all of his books, when he’s telling people how to visualize and how to relax, he’s just telling everyone how to self hypnotize. And I think that’s a big part of why it is so effective because hypnosis is sending messages straight to your subconscious mind, which is then what you experience in reality.

Brandon Handley 16:06
He calls the subconscious does he call it a subconscious? So he calls right

Teanna Campbell 16:11
mind more often. But I don’t like to say unconscious mind. Just that’s it. That just feels wrong to me since I was trained as a hypnotist first, okay, so I call it the subconscious. But he does have a few books where he also just straight out refers to it as the subconscious mind, the subconscious mind.

Brandon Handley 16:32
So I think that one of your first when we first connected you were calling it the God the God, what was it the God? God manifestation? God state God state, that’s what Yeah, which is very novel, too, though, right?

Teanna Campbell 16:51
That was, so it’s funny talking about authenticity. My brand is quirky and bright colors, and not like other people. And I had a friend who was kind of an Instagram goddess, she has, like 400,000 followers on Instagram, she’s built up a ton of accounts to hundreds of thousands of people. And she didn’t agree with my branding on either of my businesses. And so I changed it to be Instagram friendly. And she’s the one who was like God state because that’s what people will search for when they search for nevel stuff. And you need to go plain with black and white, maybe a little bit of gold because people respond to that. So I took everything and made it so boring. And our friendship and I

Brandon Handley 17:46
really liked it by the way, I liked your golden black. And I was like I was like it’s very well done. So right. So you know, maybe that’s okay.

Teanna Campbell 17:56
Just wasn’t you,

Teanna Campbell 18:00
me. Our friendship ended up like not working out it is what it is whatever you know, girls do when they get together. And with time, I was like, well, this is who I really want to be. Right. So I changed it to how it was before her and probably confused the crap out of everybody. But that was authentic. So God’s state was actually like the brainchild of someone else that I came up with the name, but it was with the encouragement of other people.

Brandon Handley 18:34
I hear you, I hear you. I’ve done many things with the encouragement of other people that I should. So let’s talk about let’s talk about your brand now like I mean, you’ve got manifestation gangster, it’s a lot of fun, it is bright, it is vibrant. And you know what type of people you working with.

Teanna Campbell 18:56
Um, it’s funny because I get kind of I work pretty much just with women, a lot of women business owners and a lot of the single mom kind of women I you attract a lot of what you are so because I’ve had healing around all of the stuff I’ve had to work through, the majority of people I work with and attract are actually in the same place I was in years ago. So that’s almost exclusively, who I end up working with.

Brandon Handley 19:36
Now, it’s interesting, and I’ve definitely found that to I mean, some of my first interviews were with like, you know, people with not necessarily daddy issues, but like, you know, had, you know, weird dad backstories that were almost identical to mine, right? Like my dad died of like everyone overdose, right? And like, maybe like three out of 10 people that I interviewed, they had their dad’s

Unknown Speaker 20:00
I’d like heroin overdose.

Teanna Campbell 20:01
Have a beer dad that story. See? See, look?

Brandon Handley 20:07
Maybe this is more common than we thought. What’s your what’s the weird dad backstory?

Unknown Speaker 20:15
Um,

Teanna Campbell 20:18
wow. My dad was never involved. And I learned when I was like six or seven that my dad didn’t want me and so the dad I had was actually an adoptive dad. Because he married my mom when I was like one. And then he left and then I met my bio dad, it was just like a shit show all through my teen years. The weirdest and now I haven’t talked to him in 20 years.

Brandon Handley 20:50
That fucking

Teanna Campbell 20:54
No, I’m sure that you are great one. So we’re not gonna say

Brandon Handley 20:58
no, that’s totally true. I’m talking about the rest of them. I kid I just um, so what else is fun in this space? I mean, what is your favorite nevel like so here’s another part of this podcast, right? This podcast is really about leaning into that authenticity. What did it take for you to start working in this space? Because it’s not one that I would say is super socially acceptable and easy to break into? Is that what do you think

Teanna Campbell 21:29
neville goddard space

Brandon Handley 21:30
neville goddard law of attraction and manifestation coaching you know that you’ve got 90% of the people that you’ve run into relate with that’s woo woo is, you know, all this other stuff. So what was it like jumping into this space and kind of leading from there?

Unknown Speaker 21:47
Um,

Teanna Campbell 21:49
I honestly didn’t really have problems with it. Before I really jumped into neville goddard. I was mostly exclusively a mindset coach, like, that’s why I learned about hypnosis. So I was already talking mindset stuff. I was already talking about the subconscious mind, I was already kind of in that space. And then it just kind of slowly evolved, I think, into what it is now. And because it was slow. The audience that I had built up over the years just followed with me, they evolved with me as well. So for me, it was actually a really easy transition. I didn’t have a difficult time with it at all. I don’t I’m not part. So there’s a lot of the really big like nevel teachers, I’ve never talked to any of them I haven’t like broken into

Brandon Handley 22:45
circle

Teanna Campbell 22:46
their circle, right. So it’s just kind of me doing my own thing, but I like it that way. So I just hang out and do what I want to do.

Brandon Handley 22:58
What I’m so if I was to call for coaching with you, what’s our What’s our first call like?

Teanna Campbell 23:06
I just do very open. Caught like a call would kind of just start with the bullshitting. What are you working on bullshitting? It’s important stuff, but what are you working on? What are you manifesting? How are you feeling about it? What are you currently doing what, and then we just break it down into what’s standing in their way if they’re having consistent, focused thoughts on why it’s not there, or what is missing or how it’s not coming. And then we just let it evolve naturally, I’m a very free flowing person, I don’t have a lot of the super structure in my calls, or my coaching packages or my businesses. Nobody is built the same kind of like how we talked about in the very beginning of this, it’s a very personal journey to everyone. And one type of ritual, I call them rituals, that’s kind of Woo. But one kind of ritual or technique doesn’t work for everybody. So I take the time to really get to know people so that it actually does work for them. So the calls there’s not really a big structure to it. It’s let’s get to know you and see where you are. And then we just break through that shit.

Brandon Handley 24:25
No, absolutely. Right. So tailor made. Right, right.

Teanna Campbell 24:30
100% no call is ever the same.

Unknown Speaker 24:36
Could couldn’t be if you tried.

Brandon Handley 24:40
And let’s talk about doing doing this kind of as a parent to are you I know you said your son’s at the game, right? Right now or practice, right

Teanna Campbell 24:49
doctor? I have two daughters. The one plays football so that’s what

Brandon Handley 24:54
Yeah, so do teach your children and stuff.

Teanna Campbell 24:58
Yeah, yeah. My kids are like my coach when I get stuck, and I’m focusing on the wrong shit. And I’m like, Oh my god, everything is going wrong. My kids will jump in and they’ll be like, Mom, what you focus on grows? And I’m like, Oh, snap. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 25:18
Well,

Teanna Campbell 25:20
thanks.

Teanna Campbell 25:22
My kids know probably as much about it as I do. I let them listen in on coaching calls. They listen to when I do trainings, there’s probably the one listening in her room the next door right now. They listen to all of it, they are constantly immersed in devil in manifestation and mindset all the time. And they talk just like me.

Unknown Speaker 25:45
So, clearly,

Teanna Campbell 25:47
clearly, it’s great conversation with their school teachers.

Brandon Handley 25:53
Do they? Do they bring it up at school? Have you ever gotten a call from schools and ask them what’s going on with the manifestation or anything like that?

Teanna Campbell 26:00
The only time I’ve gotten calls from schools is when they drop bombs.

Brandon Handley 26:06
And bring out the good, that’s what you focus on grows? Don’t you tell them that?

Unknown Speaker 26:10
Right? That’s cool.

Teanna Campbell 26:13
Just let them be just let them be? No. But they will tell their friends. My daughter had a birthday party at our house a couple weeks ago, and all of her friends came over. And it’s a bunch of little 13 year old girls who wanted to be hypnotized and have their cards read. And it was I did not hypnotize them. That would be slightly unethical. But I did read cards and ship for them. So it’s actually kids are really open to this stuff. And if parents were open about what they were learning and what they were teaching, and what they were evolving through, I think the kids would grow up to be even more adept at it than we are.

Brandon Handley 26:54
What I mean by that

Teanna Campbell 26:56
it’s easier for them. But kids, my kids have I’ve been explaining this to them since they were seven or eight years old. And they have an amazing handle just intuitively on what manifestation is and how to use their mind. And they, I mean, if they want to snow day, because they don’t want to go to school, they just go to bed and they say, we’re not going to go to school tomorrow. And it’s a snow day. Like my kids can manifest and do whatever the hell they want. And I think it’s really beautiful.

Unknown Speaker 27:30
Um,

Brandon Handley 27:33
I love that I love that they love they are in that space. I think that it is very intuitive. I mean, once you kind of cross over certain thresholds. Is there any going back to the way you used to be?

Teanna Campbell 27:47
Not comfortably? Right.

Brandon Handley 27:50
You know, it’s kind of it’s very, you know, matrix II, right? There is no going back to you take that pill, there’s kind of no going back. And if you’re if you’re not a fan of Abraham Hicks is like, there’s there’s no going back. She always says that, right? She says there’s no going back.

Unknown Speaker 28:06
Right?

Brandon Handley 28:08
And it becomes, I mean, how does it feel? Does it feel it feels 100% natural to be in that state of being? Is that fair to say? Would you say that?

Unknown Speaker 28:19
Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 28:23
And would you say that it’s, it just becomes intuitive, and once you kind of discovered is, it’s like, it’s almost like you’ve always known that it was there.

Teanna Campbell 28:33
Right? For sure. And I think breaking through to that side can be uncomfortable. Like, there’s a lot of releasing the victim mode, and a lot of that stuff that we’re taught through society, but like my kids, I’ve never heard them blame a problem on somebody else ever. It’s always, like, they know how to take responsibility for what they’ve created. It’s not just that somebody at school is mean to them, or that they got picked on by someone or that football practice was too hard. And their coach was mean, like they understand creating their reality, and that it’s a mindset shift that they need to make. And because of that, I don’t think like my children will ever be in that place of being a victim of anything, they will take control of it. For forever From now on, and I think kids are really, really good at that. If they’re taught that from a young age.

Brandon Handley 29:35
Yeah, no, I agree. What, um, and I love that they take like, 100% of responsibility and that they create that space. I mean, let’s talk about what it means to create that space. What is it? What do you mean by they create that space?

Teanna Campbell 29:53
I think that anytime anything happens that is undesirable, right. There’s a lesson in How we kind of took part in that. And I, I do like to make a disclaimer, when I say that I don’t mean the really big, bad, terrible life experiences like death. I don’t include in that I don’t think people manifest death at all, ever. I think that was already determined before we came here. But other things like the way that people treat you, or the results that you get either from something or from another person, it’s never just something that happens to you, there’s a lesson to be learned as to why that happened. If your mind was focused on, I’m not going to be good enough, or I never succeeded anything, or I never get hitched first, or people like other people, if you have those kinds of thoughts, then the result you got was a result of those thoughts. So I don’t think any, that any of this stuff just happens to you. It’s something that you can evaluate where in your mind, you attracted this results, and hold the space for yourself to create better beliefs and better thoughts. So that you get better results?

Brandon Handley 31:23
Is it easy for someone to change their beliefs?

Teanna Campbell 31:27
That’s what hypnosis is for? Yes.

Brandon Handley 31:32
What is so can you do hypnosis? Like over over zoom? Or a phone call?

Teanna Campbell 31:40
Yeah, 99.9% of all my clients are over the phone,

Brandon Handley 31:45
or just audios and hypnosis as part of it. So you talked about earlier to like, you know, hypnosis is basically sending messages or beliefs directly to the subconscious. That’s what you said. Yep. How like, I mean,

Unknown Speaker 32:04
right. So how,

Brandon Handley 32:08
how am I preventing things from getting to the subconscious? Without hypnosis?

Teanna Campbell 32:15
Um, how are you preventing things from getting your subconscious?

Brandon Handley 32:20
Yeah, like, I mean, why is it what makes it what makes hypnosis able to do that?

Teanna Campbell 32:26
So hypnosis, what it does, you spend a bit of time getting relaxed, right? So like Neville talks about that too, you get relaxed before you do the visualization. The reason you get relaxed or why your hypnotherapist will relax you is because when you physically relaxed, your conscious mind gets really bored. And it checks out. When your conscious mind isn’t there anymore as your gatekeeper, your subconscious mind is accessible. And that’s how you just put the messages straight in, you can put stuff through to your subconscious without being hypnotized. You just have to repeat it a lot. You have to put the conscious effort into it, you have to make sure that you’re focused on it and not allowing other beliefs said. So it’s you you can it’s just like taking a long road I prefer just getting shit done really fast.

Brandon Handley 33:24
know for sure so but so what you’re saying then is the conscious is acting as a gatekeeper. Um, and yeah, if you’re trying to put new stuff in. Like if I try to put new stuff in my brain, my conscience would be like, No, no, no, no new stuff, because we’ve got all this other stuff here that we’re so good with. Right?

Teanna Campbell 33:46
Right, right, or this other stuff we have contradicts what you’re trying to put in there. Like if you have a belief that you were born into a broke family, and that you’re always going to be broke, that money is hard to come by money doesn’t grow on trees, etc, etc. If you have those beliefs really ingrained in yourself or in your subconscious mind, and you’re trying to affirm over and over again, I am rich money flows to me money sticks to me, your subconscious mind and your gatekeeper. Like we already have these other beliefs that are different than that. So you either have to get rid of the old ones, or repeat the new ones a lot.

Brandon Handley 34:33
And each time, each time I’m repeating these affirmations, though, my subconscious is like,

Teanna Campbell 34:38
no, right? Right. Like you’re just reminding yourself over and over again, like No, that’s not true.

Unknown Speaker 34:47
So, you know,

Brandon Handley 34:51
I was talking with somebody else earlier this week and and the idea of, they call it the quantum question. I don’t know if you’ve seen that when the quantum question or Have you seen Noah St. John’s? Oh hell, what does he do? AV formations? Oh, yeah, yeah.

Teanna Campbell 35:11
Yeah. Asking questions.

Brandon Handley 35:13
So is that like ordinations? So is that like, so I just heard this weekend, there’s some other dude out there doing the exact same thing. So he’s calling it the quantum question. Because quantum, because everything is quantum right now.

Teanna Campbell 35:27
It’s the new authentic, trendy thing.

Brandon Handley 35:30
Right, right. Quantum quantum authenticity. But I think that that’s a trick for the subconscious right to bypass the subconscious. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So is that similar?

Teanna Campbell 35:43
Yeah. So like, you were just saying, if you have grown up and been raised really poor, do you have that super strong, subconscious belief? And you’re trying to affirm over and over again, I am rich, your subconscious mind is like, No, you’re not. But if you’re asking it in the form of a question, your subconscious mind starts to go, hey, what? And you kind of trick it and so it starts to figure out how to make it true. So I wouldn’t say affirmations, affirmations, I wish you would have named it something else that was more distinguishable. But affirmations are definitely a better tool, especially when you’re starting then regular affirmations that everybody preaches.

Brandon Handley 36:32
Yeah, no. Absolutely feels like feels like feels like a nice trick, right? I feel like, you know, the brain, the mind, whatever you feel like calling it has to close a loop. Right? So if you ask it those questions, it’s like, it just wants to close that loop. It doesn’t really care. Just Just like, well, he asked, right, I need to find answers. So um, what is like one of your life? So? I love man, like I save like, all kinds of like the neville goddard ones. So the coin I haven’t, I think is one of my favorites. Right? Do you listen to his speeches when he’s talking? Or Geez. So yeah, do you have a favorite a nevel YouTube video?

Teanna Campbell 37:19
Oh, I kind of knew you were gonna ask something like this. And I was not prepared. I don’t have a favorite nevel YouTube. But there’s a book and it is his last book that was ever released. And I cannot remember the name of it because it’s on my phone. But it’s basically and you can only get it on Audible. Um, it’s a collection of a book he was working on before he died. And then some random speeches that were never like published anywhere else.

Brandon Handley 37:56
Okay. The full reader? No. Who’s got that one? Right. The full readers a one of those ones.

Teanna Campbell 38:06
Yeah, not a whole lot of his books together. This is something

Brandon Handley 38:09
something else. Well, I’ve got one audible credit. I am going to use

Teanna Campbell 38:15
telethon. Hold on. I have. I’m tricky. I have two phones. So give me such a burner and ridiculous.

Teanna Campbell 38:24
Yeah, no.

Unknown Speaker 38:28
No.

Brandon Handley 38:34
While you’re looking that up, I mean, do you see the space is, you know, growing becoming more acceptable. versing The, the you know, the conservatives base? Like, what are your thoughts on kind of where this is going? manifestation or mindset training and just kind of being in the space?

Teanna Campbell 38:59
I think that people are getting more and more. Um,

Teanna Campbell 39:10
it’s just becoming more accepted. And I think that by hearing your friends talk about it, or I’m hearing it talked about more on things like Instagram or YouTube or whatever it is. People are becoming more inclined to pay attention to it and to accept it. So I think it’s it’s making a big I hear more and more people talk about it all the time. Or people come to me and they’re like, Oh, yeah, I’ve actually heard about that. And I’m like,

Brandon Handley 39:52
say What? Get out of my spigot.

Teanna Campbell 39:54
It’s not this big secret anymore.

Unknown Speaker 39:56
Right right. Now I hear you. I hear you. And then I

Brandon Handley 40:04
was so I’m kind of waiting on you to to get your novel guy.

Teanna Campbell 40:08
No, I don’t know what my phone is doing. I want it. I think it might be this one called the infinite potential, but I’m not. It’s like 400 an hour. It’s not really 400. Yeah, infinite potential.

Unknown Speaker 40:24
Yeah. And what do you love about it?

Teanna Campbell 40:28
It’s not the typical

Teanna Campbell 40:32
stuff that you hear about nevel because it’s not, it wasn’t. It’s not one of his big books like feeling is the secret or any of those. So it’s not the same regurgitated stuff. This is like his, it’s more advanced level, but he also doesn’t speak quite so biblically. In some of it like he does in his previous works. It’s just a different vibe. And I’m sad. He never like actually finished all of the stuff he was working on. There is one book in there that is basically like taken straight out of the Bible. It’s not my favorite one. But it still has a lot of really good points to it.

Brandon Handley 41:20
Right. So I think it’s interesting, too. And I don’t think that we mentioned that yet that most of his stuff is out of the Bible. Right, like, right, you’re like, but when he talks about it, he talks about it in a way that I know I’d never heard about it. The Bible talks about that way. Right? Because if it was like, I still remember, the first time I heard I was listening to one of his books driving from North Carolina to New Jersey. And he’s talking, I got excited. I was like, this is it. I’m driving by myself like, right. Right. This is awesome. I mean, I was like, Why? Why? I was like that this book is now this book is cool.

Teanna Campbell 42:09
Right now this dude’s legit. Right? I’ll let him Yeah, I do. I love how he takes the Bible. I grew up in a very, very religious LDS household. What does that mean?

Brandon Handley 42:24
Oh, god. What LDS mean, okay. I don’t put it okay. Yeah.

Teanna Campbell 42:29
The Mormons. Have you ever heard of those

Brandon Handley 42:31
people? Yeah, they’re they’re out there. What is LDS stand for Latter Day Saints? That’s what it is. Okay.

Teanna Campbell 42:39
Yes, Latter Day Saints. I forget not everyone lives in Idaho, where there’s a mormon church on every corner. But we grew up I grew up super Mormon, and I never identified with it. So I was kind of like the black sheep of my family because I wasn’t all up in the

Unknown Speaker 43:02
Mormon.

Teanna Campbell 43:04
Hold version of shit. And they all use the scriptures all the time to harp on the way you should be. And so when Neville started using the Bible and explaining that it’s a guide for manifestation, and it’s not this historical book that we’re supposed to, like, emulate, I was like, Oh my god, I love this guy so much.

Brandon Handley 43:30
I love to try to get anybody in your family to listen to

Teanna Campbell 43:34
my immediate family, my mom and my sisters, my brother, they have all actually like crossed over to my side a bit more. Yeah. They are not Mormon II at all. And they will talk about manifestation and they will talk about the feeling and the focus, and I think it’s really fucking awesome.

Brandon Handley 43:56
I love it. Yeah. What would you say manifestation is when I’m manifesting? What am I?

Teanna Campbell 44:06
You are

Teanna Campbell 44:09
programming.

Teanna Campbell 44:12
Oh, there’s so many different ways. You can describe it in so many ways. But you’re programming your desired reality into your subconscious mind so that it manifests on the 3d physical plane.

Brandon Handley 44:24
You’re saying my brain is a 3d printer?

Teanna Campbell 44:27
Yes. Yes. Oh, that’s beautiful.

Teanna Campbell 44:33
Yeah, brain is a 3d printer.

Brandon Handley 44:35
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. Who else do you really love in this space? Um, outside of nevel that you kind of teach about,

Teanna Campbell 44:43
and Lauren so Val shin. She’s the mom. I love her so much.

Brandon Handley 44:49
Haha. She is awesome. She’s awesome.

Teanna Campbell 44:52
I don’t know how she is not preached everywhere. Like I don’t know where people decided. Abraham Hicks was Gonna be the one that everyone relied on but they are missing out on so much. Yeah, by not having Florence plastered everywhere, which and it’s

Brandon Handley 45:13
Hi, favorite affirmations from Florence Give me one or two. Because she’s she’s an affirmation queen. She’s a great affirmation queen.

Teanna Campbell 45:21
I don’t use hers.

Brandon Handley 45:24
All right, no, no, no worries. I gotta look one up because I

Teanna Campbell 45:26
have basically one affirmation that I use. Okay, and it’s not hers. What is it? Oh, it’s there’s nothing I can do to fuck this up. Who? I love it.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Love it. Nothing is as yours or do you have somebody you want

Teanna Campbell 45:48
I heard something similar from a YouTuber Her name is Jasmine. She teaches about like how to manifest this was a specific person, which I don’t really get into because I don’t give a shit about it. Um, but she said something similar to that. And I took it and adapted it to my language. And now it’s just basically the only one I use

Brandon Handley 46:12
a

Teanna Campbell 46:13
lot. What were you pulling up by Florida?

Brandon Handley 46:16
Like it’s like I love them all. So the thing that I love about forest is that hers like so she was an artist. So when she’s writes, he does a really good job of painting the picture, which is what you’re supposed to when you write but not everybody does it with the visuals that she can do. She’s got one that’s like talks about Here it is. Here’s one that I really like, I am harmonious happy and divinely magnetic and now draw to me my ships over comm See, that’s not the one I love, though.

Teanna Campbell 46:44
Like, I just like that one. I don’t love it.

Brandon Handley 46:46
Yeah, but she’s got so many and a couple of them. When I know when I was listening to her, like all times always listening to, you know, the game of life and how to play it and your word is your wand. Right? And one of them’s like, you know, I see lines in my path, and I walk up to them realize that they’re friendly. airedales, which is a type of dog, right? I didn’t know what airedales were for a while, but I finally was like their dog. Uh, but it’s true, right? You’re, the things that you are afraid of that are on your path. If you don’t walk up to them, you know, you, you’re always afraid of them. But when you walk up to them, you see that, you know, they probably provide more benefit than other another thing that between I was listening to her nevel all the time. And it was the idea of just giving all your worries over to God but I also translated God into my subconscious because of, of nevel right and I was like, God all makes fucking sense as like if I just if I just give it over to like the 95% that pumps my you know, pumps my blood grows my hair grows my nails and does a bunch of other shit that even if I didn’t know how to do it, I wouldn’t be able to do it any better than it already does. Right? Why don’t I just go ahead and let that part of me do that.

Teanna Campbell 48:10
That’s where mine comes from. There’s nothing I can do to fuck this up. Like I if my subconscious or my god self, whatever you want to call it is handling it. My little mere human pimply body like can’t mess it up. So it’s exactly the same thing. Hello. I love them. I love them. I love them. Right.

Brandon Handley 48:35
Right. And I agree, right? If you’re if you’re out there, and if you’re in manifestation land, and you haven’t checked, either one of them out nevel is is different, highly. I personally, I mean, I don’t know about you, Tiana. Like I love how he talks like there’s nothing better than like kind of driving down the road and listening to Neville talk.

Teanna Campbell 48:58
Right? Except you do have to be careful. There was one book I got from Audible, and the narrator was terrible. And I just listened to the whole thing. And I’m like, that is not what the fuck never would say like, I knew it was his words. It was not his tonality or his voice and I was so traumatized.

Brandon Handley 49:22
There’s a guy out there, just I have Brant that reads a lot of his stuff. And he does a good job, but he’s still you can’t so the recommendation here is if you go find some nevel on YouTube, do not you must you must listen to him deliver it in person because his cadence is, was that a lilt to his voice right? Like he’s just very, very, you know, Barbados. Just I love it. Right.

Unknown Speaker 49:51
And yeah,

Brandon Handley 49:52
yeah, check out some forums. What else do you love about Florence?

Teanna Campbell 49:58
Why do you have it She’s just straight to the point. I think that’s really that’s how I teach. I don’t do a lot of the fluff and the pomp and circumstance that like Abraham Hicks throws into it. Um, I like it very direct and to the point, and that is exactly how far it’s like if you’ve ever looked at her books or books or this small. Yeah, it’s because she’s not about

Unknown Speaker 50:26
God want more, right?

Teanna Campbell 50:26
She’s like, this is it. This is what you need to know. Go do. That’s it. And I love that about. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 50:33
that’s cool. It’s perfect. What are you like, I just love her. Like I said, she paints great pictures. She has good affirmations. She’s very clear, succinct. And it just all makes sense, right? Once in once you kind of get into this the flow and the pattern of this space. She’s simple. It’s easy, right? Keep it simple, stupid, right? And that’s what she does. She keeps it simple. She doesn’t try to like you said add anything to it. I think

Teanna Campbell 51:05
she has a quote as she starts one of her books by basically saying keep it simple, stupid, but she doesn’t say stupid. She said something else. But that’s how she starts her book. She’s like, keep it simple.

Brandon Handley 51:16
Yeah. Yeah. It doesn’t have to be. It doesn’t have to be everything else. Right. One question for you. Right? Be if I’ve got a, you know, money block, right? If I’m having a problem with getting over that in my life, what’s the quickest way I can get over that?

Teanna Campbell 51:37
evaluate your relationship with yourself? I mean,

Teanna Campbell 51:44
yes. Oh, every time it’s when somebody has a money blog, it usually has to do with the way they feel about themselves. It has almost never really that much to do with the money. It has to do with they don’t like the way they look. They don’t like that they didn’t graduate high school. They don’t like that. They haven’t had a lasting relationship. They don’t whatever it is, they don’t like about themselves. They’re translating it over into their bank account. By healing your relationship with yourself. The money heals on its own. Pretty much every time.

Brandon Handley 52:25
keepin it simple. I love it. Where should people go to find you?

Teanna Campbell 52:32
I’m Tiana Campbell on YouTube.

Brandon Handley 52:36
You’re blowing up? They’re blowing up there. I know.

Unknown Speaker 52:42
Why yes, I am. Alright, Tana Campbell over on YouTube. Thank you, Brandon. Yeah, thank you for being on today.

Teanna Campbell 52:50
It was really fun. I appreciate it. Thank you.