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Jenna is an intuitive healer, facilitator, teacher, artist, mother and musician.

She has joyfully led retreats, teen mentorship workshops, private healing sessions, lessons, camps, choirs, conferences, and classes for over 20 years.

She loves sharing my joy of love, art, music and meditation by teaching how to build tools toward re-alignment, healing and cultivating creativity.

Connect with Jenna at https://www.acousticvitality.org/jennadalton .

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited as Bob process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you is the world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed now moving forward? We don’t claim to have all the answers but we sure do love living. The question from time for another head of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual Dude, I am haunted today with Jenna Walton. She is an intuitive healer, facilitator, teacher, artists, mother and musician. She’s joyfully led retreats team mentorship workshops, private Healing Sessions, less than camps, choirs, conferences and classes for over 20 years. She loves to share her joy of love art, music and meditation by teaching how to build tools towards realignment, healing and cultivating creativity. Jenna thanks for being on. Thanks for having

Jenna Dalton 1:11
me.

Brandon Handley 1:12
Absolutely, I mean I think we’ve been trying to put this together for like six months give or take Yeah, finally I’ve been looking forward to connect and just having this conversation. So thanks looking forward to it so I was like to start this off with the whole idea that we’re kind of vessels for source energy, right whatever that looks like to you and that you and I’ll be having a conversation but whoever’s listening they’re like they’re hearing something completely different right? They’re not even hearing what we’re saying like and this message can only be delivered through Jenna by source on this podcast to that person right now. What’s that message?

Jenna Dalton 1:54
What is that message? Hmm? Love reigns. I mean that’s that’s kind of where I’m where I’m at right now is I just keep coming back to that to how can I cultivate more open heart How can I get deeper into love? I feel like that is my direct connection to the universe Great Spirit whatever you want to call it that that’s that’s my direct connection. So yeah, and then just all the fun ways to practice that all the fun ways to play with that. Well, while we’re human beings here on this planet

Brandon Handley 2:33
every time I go to like any energy work session throws like your heart is really close off I’m like I know right? Thanks this isn’t news but it sounds to me like your heart might be a little bit more open

Jenna Dalton 2:50
because every time I get when they’re like wow you need to close that up a little bit you’re

Brandon Handley 2:55
you’re taking it off for everybody like I saw that guy down the street his heart was like shut down and I’m just gonna step in and fill that guy’s you know fill that need so um, and you know, a little bit more to on you for the audience right I love the story you’re just talking to a quick second before we got going here was that the whole idea of like, being born on a 355 acre spiritual community right for your first 14 years of life really into music and then like, packing up a u haul and going to the burbs I mean, I don’t know if you specifically went to the burbs, but I mean, I can only imagine, right. Right. And like I’m envisioning and you can tell me if I’m right or wrong. I don’t I’m just making things up as I go along. But I remember going to a couple like rainbow family gatherings back in the day was anything like that? Or was it like somewhat different? Are you familiar with the rainbow family gatherings?

Jenna Dalton 3:48
Oh, yeah, yeah. It was a little bit like that, except that we had a farm that we had to run and it was somewhat self sustaining. So we had a lot of work to do. There were ditches to dig and cows to take care of and harvesting and planting and gardening and you know, there’s endless work to be done. So, so that I would say that’s the biggest difference than like, you know, when I would tell people Oh, I lived I grew up in a commune. everyone’s eyes kind of glaze over like, like sexual.

Brandon Handley 4:19
I mean, that’s the first

Saturdays

Jenna Dalton 4:28
I mean, that’s that definitely happened. Yes. But more so at least where I was, it was it really was a group of people who were trying to separate from like patriarchal society, capitalistic society and try something else. And so it was a group of really cool people coming together, spiritually striving, and then trying to figure out how to get along together while we’re collecting eggs and cooking you know, we had to cook meals for everybody. We had to feed everyone we had and where I was, there was no city within 80 miles in any direction. So we were in the middle of nowhere. So we really had to, you know, toilet broke, we had to fix it. There was a flood, we had to deal with it, you know, the pipes froze. We had to deal with it. And so there was a lot of hard work to that was cool. It’s cool.

Brandon Handley 5:21
You have running water? Yeah, I mean, I remember so I remember growing up. And my mom had some brands that I would go stay the summer with. And like, we had the pump the water, there was no indoor plumbing and what not so I mean, you’re kind of living the life of luxury. Yeah, really? It’s pretty cool. Okay. And then and then, um, and then you can you talk to me, like, the spiritual, what the spiritual community looked like, I guess, from then perspective, right, as a child to kind of like, your lens back on it. What are your thoughts?

Jenna Dalton 6:03
So growing up, it really was just kind of like a playground? I don’t remember there. There definitely was we had a meditation class for kids where they would actually bribe us with little chewable vitamin C’s if we sat still for long enough, which I thought now looking back, I find that so funny. So there was there was it was like a playground for me, when I was growing up looking back, I can see Wow, I really embodied a lot of I just kind of like got spiritual teachings in my DNA by being there, which, which I’m very thankful for. And I feel like that’s a that’s the gift I like to pay forward into the world is that it’s not it’s never been like a struggle for me to have like a spiritual connection. Or I’ve never wondered if there’s a God, I’ve never had that. Like, it’s just always been there. And so that I feel, I know that I was just the gift that I got from that place. Growing up. I never talked about meditating, or we just did it. We just did yoga, we just did meditation. And it was just part just like we cooked meals or we went to the bathroom. It was just another thing that we did. So it was kind of demystified for me in that way. And it was actually weirder when we came up here and I saw that not everybody did that. That was that was what was weird was when I was 14 looking around going Oh, okay, I am really different. But I didn’t really realize it until then.

Brandon Handley 7:32
Yeah, I mean, talk about that, right? Trying to go from this self sustaining spiritual commune, where you know, there’s a little bit more togetherness, a little bit more of us as a whole. And then coming into I’m sure like, there was plenty of like materialism to of sorts within that commune. But like, and then kind of seeing on mass with like hyper commercialism and all this other stuff. Prager you wasn’t like sensory overload. And then like me having to go to school, I might have been mad.

Jenna Dalton 8:13
I was very angry. And angry You came up here. I mean, ironically, we came up here because there was no High School out there. And the closest High School was 80 miles away. And my brother, my older brother, like, took the bus there everyday left at 5am. And I just did not want to do that. I didn’t want to be homeschooled. I think my parents were wise enough to recognize that I needed music and theater in my life. So in that way, I was very thankful that we came up here because I, the cultural piece was very lacking out in the middle of nowhere in Nevada. So that piece was really wonderful for me, but yeah, it was, I think the biggest shock was that, even though like you said these things existed, maybe like humming underneath the surface, it was my first experience with like, sexism, racism, homophobia, just flat out hating somebody for no reason. But that kind of disconnection. I did not experience that in the first 14 years of my life I just didn’t experience that. Even in the ranch kids that I was friends with. We they would just that just wasn’t there. And so that I think was what was most shocking for me. And I think that’s where my anger came from, was that it was like suddenly I realized wow, this world is not the utopian amazing place that I thought it was because that’s what my life has been for. For the first 14 years.

Brandon Handley 9:40
Yeah, for sure. So me I gotta imagine a lot of that was romanticized. Right and just kind of came tumbling down. Right. And I also think that too, you know, you’re out here you’re 80 miles away from any city and you don’t have the air And I don’t know to be honest with you, I mean, you know, what’s the electricity situation like out there for you know you have running water so I don’t know like, you know what’s like the Wi Fi TV situation like but like, right so I mean, I gotta imagine, right there’s like no electromagnetic brain interference right? Right maybe that’s why all the teams are mad. Like maybe he’s mad because like there’s a lot you’re like you’re just kind of like energy passing through you and it’s everybody else’s shit.

Jenna Dalton 10:29
Right? Right and it’s getting more intense because we have more and more data.

Brandon Handley 10:35
Yeah. gotta turn it up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah Interesting. Interesting for sure.

Jenna Dalton 10:42
I didn’t go you know I went to school there are only 30 people in the entire school grades one through eight granted, but not a single person had ADHD, or autism or nobody. And, you know, as a teacher now I’m like, I wonder how much of it was the fact that they were out? shoveling shit and working with cows instead of playing video games and watching shows you know that that I wonder how much of a difference that makes? Sure well,

Brandon Handley 11:11
I mean, you know, I’ve got a I’ve got a nine and 11 year old boy, right? And I too, was once a wee lad, that they’re like, you need to sit still. I’m like, Well, I don’t really think right that we as humans were meant to sit still behind a desk at a young age for like six to eight hours a day. Yeah. And then and then and then the whole idea to have like, oh, and like you’re not gonna let them you’re gonna take away recess you’re gonna take away this and now like, you’re not gonna live and burn off all that energy. Right? Who came up with this plan? Yeah.

Jenna Dalton 11:48
As a Waldorf teacher I started every day with jumping rope for half an hour. We just did we just moved partially because of that because I didn’t feel like I could ask anybody to sit down in a chair when they’re young and exuberant and what they want to do is move and so we would Okay, we’re gonna do math with jump roping. We’re gonna do spelling with jump roping and then we’ll go in and sit down let’s exhaust you

Brandon Handley 12:10
brilliant I mean we’re jumping so we’ll do that jump rope to do yeah. So when you talk about spirituality like kind of always being a part of life and always being feeling can see what I mean. Quick, easy answers like what’s what’s spirituality mean to you? Right? What’s that look like for you internally? And how are you expressing that?

Jenna Dalton 12:29
Um, I think that it’s kind of it’s a hard question to answer but for me it’s just such a feeling of home it’s just such a feeling of I’m here I’m comfortable in my skin I’m in a I feel in alignment. Like I feel like I’m in alignment with I don’t know what is that with just the flow or just with like, my life is flowing and I’m flowing with it and there’s maybe something bigger and I’m a part of it and just that connection and the play between those two things I don’t know how else to to describe

Brandon Handley 13:05
that that works right? So I mean, right? And I think that’s where the challenge comes for most people you know, someone’s like, well this is what spiritual to me. It means right? And somebody else is like, No, no, no, no, no, you’re wrong, right? Like, you can’t be wrong that’s that’s that’s your inner inner inner presence and if you’re in alignment and if I read your story, I would say that you are like you’ve had such a really cool cool life and I and you have found the places at least you know from reading your bio that you can able to express who you are in alignment with who you are for life that is pretty good, right? Yeah. So I mean let’s move forward right from so you got a you got a high school, you’re big into music, you know, what does that look like for you kind of going through the high school thing coming out of coming out of the commune and moving us forward?

Jenna Dalton 14:03
Well, you know, initially it was there was a mixed thing there was there was the part of me that was 14 and just ready because when you’re 14, your world is expanding, right? And so my world expanded and I loved that piece. I was really excited to live in an apartment complex. The idea of that was like so amazing. They’re just little things like that. We have a swimming pool, you know, stuff. And then I discovered choir and theater and just like completely dove into that and discovered the artist in me that was really thirsty. That was something that didn’t get a whole lot of playtime out on the farm. And so that was amazing. And and then there was a lot of, you know, I also just really loved like the counterculture. I of course was very attracted to the counterculture kids and, and enjoyed adventuring in that way. So School was just a big, it was a big adventure, I got in a lot of trouble. And you know, just really, really, I really pushed it a lot. But one of the things that I had in my life was this, this nest of like 30 adults who had known me since birth. And were holding space for me even though I was you know, even though it wasn’t physically on the farm anymore, they still knew and loved me. And I had and I reached out to them a lot with, you know, because I was pushing my parents away, which is what’s normal to do when you’re 14 to 18 years old. But I still had all these adults that I could gain that I could gain insight from and my dad connected me with a woman here Jane sad to see her she’s amazing yoga teacher, oh, my God, that saved my life in high school. Just deepening my yoga practice. And so finding those connections was really, really awesome appear to so that so it wasn’t, my adolescence wasn’t as hard as it might have been. I you know, in some ways, it was a lot easier because I did have this, like I said, I had this support network, I had this village, that was kind of at that point, because the farm had kind of dwindled a bit, everybody was all over the country. So there was kind of a network of support there. That, that it definitely felt, I definitely felt that and thank goodness for that. I think it probably saved my saved my butt several times.

Brandon Handley 16:32
Now, you know, jotted down takes a village, right? You literally had a village supporting you. And to have gotten in trouble a lot after again, after coming from this culture of where you were to this other thing I can only imagine like, What do you mean, that’s the rule? That doesn’t make any sense?

I thought this was the smoking corner. Right? I can’t, I can only imagine some of the conversations too. And just trying to try to wrap your mind around it. Right. Coming from, again, probably something that was a little bit more free, in terms of at least your ability to express yourself as you were in, in a in you know, sounds like the supportive people. Right? Yeah. And then and then go on also from a school of 30 in total, to probably like, I don’t know, 30 per class, give or take, I mean, yeah. And then a quick question, too. So like, what were your parents done? Like, did they so they they came from the farm, and now they’re doing what at the apartment, like working?

Jenna Dalton 17:46
My mom became she’s, she’s always been a teacher. So she taught there and she taught here. So it was more for her, it was probably less of a shock because it was just more kids to teach. My dad, however, was pretty much for lack of a better word, the guru of this spiritual community. He was the one that led classes led meditations, and he got a job at Nike. So he really had he had quite a hard time you know, that that also might have been part of the me acting out is that my parents were not super there because they were in survival mode. They weren’t just like, after 16 years for them of living on a farm they were suddenly in the city and trying to survive how do we pay rent? What do we do? You know, all of the What do you mean we have to have insurance for that? What do you mean we have to pay for Jenna to do this in school? And you know, all of that stuff? So they I’m sure. I you know, my mom the other day even was describing it, how she we’ve made it through this day. We made it through today. Okay. You know, like, that’s kind of where they were at. It was a big, it was a big jump for them.

Brandon Handley 18:57
Yeah, especially, I mean, going from guru to, I don’t know, analytics, or whatever it was. Right? Just being like, I’d be mad. I’m mad now. Yeah. So then, you know, you kind of make it through. And you you kind of you start doing some adventuring? Right, let’s talk about some of the adventures because I think you got some adventuring stories that Yeah, like I was saying earlier, it sounds like you just kind of flowed from like one spot to another doing your thing. I’m sure there was like some sure there was some stress involved in there somewhere. But for the most part, you’re just kind of going with it. So what what do you travel next?

Jenna Dalton 19:44
You know, the way I looked at it is that so you’re 18 it’s like you want to you want to initiate yourself. We don’t have a village that initiate us anymore. And so I self initiated by doing all sorts of things. One of the big things I did was get into Tom Brown’s tracker war. And I actually dropped out of college and lived in the woods for about three months with one other person. We killed a deer and use the tide we like we did the whole thing we were like living off the woods, we made moccasins out of the deer hide that we, you know, like it was, we ate squirrels, we really did. And so that was amazing. That was an adventure. And then I came back and found a really cool college to go to that that resonated with me. And that’s when I started when I was out in the woods, we went on a week and, and, and teach children how to be in the woods. And that was the seed for me wanting to teach. So yeah, and that was kind of the beginning of that when I was when I was 18. And then that seed just continued to grow and grow as my adventures unfolded. And I, I felt like I was getting an opportunity to touch on a lot of different spirituality, Native American spirituality came in really strong. In Wisconsin, I had white, there was a shaman there. And there was another Lakota woman who taught us a lot of things. And so I felt like this is where I feel like the universe is in touch with me because I was in the flow of the universe. And then suddenly, just all these teachers came out of the woodwork all over the country, literally, I was traveling on Greyhound all over the country. And an African man would start talking to me on the bus and blow my mind spiritually. And then I’d get off the bus. And then there’s this Lakota woman who’s ready to teach me Native American arts and crafts. I mean, it just really I get goosebumps now just thinking about it. Because I really was like, the universe was just saying yes to initiating me into the world of, of look at how much spirit there is, look at all the different walks of spirituality there are and how they all go to great mountain or great spirit or when light men or whatever you want to talk about. So it was quite, it was quite an adventure full time.

Brandon Handley 21:59
Would you say that you were aware of it being an initiation at the time and feeling that way at the time? Or is this a reflection?

Jenna Dalton 22:06
No, it was just adventure at the time. I go, Oh,

Brandon Handley 22:10
I see what was happening. Right. Okay, now that’s got me, that’s cool. It’s good to know, right? Because again, as we’re going through it, and we’re young, and we’re just adventuring. We don’t kind of really catch all the things that are happening, right? And as we look back, we’re like, Well, that was really cool. I can’t believe uh, for me, I’m like, I can’t believe I didn’t die. On a list of bad ideas, a whole bunch of them. And wow, you know, something somewhere was looking out for me, right? A lot of times, but so I wanted to hit on the school that you found for yourself that you’re able to just kind of have kind of this alternative education, you want to share your school a little bit, right. And I wouldn’t even know to look for it.

Jenna Dalton 23:00
Yeah, so this is Prescott college. It’s an Arizona, I literally felt this, I found this college because I was with a friend who was looking up conservatories, or something and this book fell off the, into my hands and literally fell off into my hands when she was looking at other things. And it said, How to make a difference in the world college guide. And I was like, Oh, my God, they have this, you know, it was like kind of, it was one of those things. And it was in there. And this place was amazing. Because they let you write your own degree plan. You write a contract for what you want to learn for every class and you hand that into your teacher. So you’re saying, This is what I want to get out of your class, and then your teacher looks at it and goes pretty good or no, I’m going to actually be teaching this. How do you feel about that? So you’re entering into a contract, and a conscious contract every time with your teacher, every class had 12 students or less, every class had an experiential option. So if you’re learning how to teach, you spend over half that time in the classroom teaching, so I had like four years of teaching more than an average bachelor’s degree in education would have because of the way they did it at the school. There were I mean, I took African inspired gem and dance or all these different courses that were offered. I took a course called environmental perspectives and whitewater rafting. That was my because I have this fear of water. I was like I’m facing my fear of water. I am going to go whitewater rafting for 30 straight days. And it was awesome. By the end of it. I was captaining rapids so it was like, Yeah, okay, we’re gonna do this. And so it just there wasn’t a second of that of my education that I regret. There’s so many people look back and they’re like, What a waste of time college was. And I did not feel that way. I felt like I joyfully pay off my student loans because it’s because it was every second that I was there. was unfolding. There was a, there was a spiritual element, an emotional element, a mental element, an academic element to every course. And it was a life changer. It was an absolute life changer. I can’t say enough about that place.

Brandon Handley 25:16
That’s I mean, it sounds awesome. Yeah, sounds awesome that you were able to find something like that, again. follow your bliss, for lack of better terminology, right? Just kind of follow your path and keep on stepping into something and things kept showing up for you. Yeah, that you were able to do that, right? I mean, being able to skills and spiritual living double minor music, right? Like, I mean, just, it’s all of who you already were. It’s like, oh, here’s a place where I can continue that versus like, Alright, well, I guess, business admin, II, or, you know, this other thing that I’ll never use. But these are all things that helped you to the integral and you’re becoming?

Jenna Dalton 26:00
Absolutely. And that’s where I discovered Waldorf education was at that I was studying alternative methods. And that was one of some older was the one method that openly talks about the spirit of a child, the Solomon child, and how you educate that.

Brandon Handley 26:14
Let’s expand on that, right? I know that I mentioned for a moment that, you know, that’s something that we looked at ourselves for our kids, because the last year we had an out of school, which to me was like, that’s, that was awesome. Thanks, pandemic, and we’re setting them back. And look, the school systems have changed since I’ve been there, they’re a little bit better. But at the same time, it’s like, to your point, I don’t know that they explore the spiritual aspect of that.

Jenna Dalton 26:42
Now, well, they’re not allowed, you’re actually not allowed to even talk about that openly, you get in trouble if you openly talk about that in, in public schools, that separation of church and state. So that means you can’t even talk about the spiritual aspect of a child, you get in trouble. So I

Brandon Handley 27:00
mean, what’s it look like at a Waldorf school, then in one word, education, at another

Jenna Dalton 27:05
school, you’re required to meditate, if you’re a teacher, it’s part of your it’s part of your what would you call it, your job description is that you hold the children in meditation, and you hold them in sacred space every day. That’s part of the job description. And that’s huge to me. That’s why I chose that route. You know, it has its shadow side, because it’s a private school. And so it only serves people who can afford the tuition. And that ended up becoming too much of a problem for me for my self. As far as like being in the, in the whole institution of it was hard for me, because I really wanted, I just, I’m always looking for ways to make whatever I’m offering available to anyone who wants it, regardless of especially regardless of their economic status. So that’s the shadow side. But the wonderful side of Waldorf is that they teach through the arts. And in my opinion, the direct pathway to to the divine is through the arts, it’s so easy to access. That feeling that I was talking about that feeling of flow and connection and contentment with just what is when one is doing art. And so it’s integrated all day, every day, you’re doing it all day, every day in the curriculum, and I loved teaching that way I felt, I felt really, I also feel like it was one of the few places that really understood children and how a day should be morphed for them. So as you were saying, sit down, be quiet, have a pencil in your hand at the desk, there’s very little time that they spend in their desk at another school if if the Walder school is doing it, right, in my opinion, so there’s, in fact a lot of places even have mobile classrooms and the first and third grades where they literally don’t have desks, they have these benches that they turn upside down. And they act as you know, balance beams for most of the day. And then when you need to write you have a flat service but other than that, you know, it’s it’s pretty, it’s a pretty awesome program of really honoring the child what I’ve noticed is that now that my own children are 16 they are looking back going God you you like protected us so much and they’re mad at me about that now as teenagers so with that, check them out. I’m just keeping them keep maintaining their childhood so that so the Waldorf education is a lot about like, trying to keep the media out of out of a young child life trying to keep a TV out of the living room trying to make baking and, and rhythm of the day a big priority in the end. And so it’s really beautiful. To a teenager, it’s stifling, and horrible, you know,

Brandon Handley 29:51
oh, no, no, no, I get I get it now. And you know, absolutely. I mean, so I grew up and so Some backwards places in Virginia that I was very very remote and not being able to I don’t know go hang out with all the kids and all the places or even have like a TV at some point it was I was like what the hell is this right this is this is bullshit and and and of course now looking back I’m like wow how lucky was I that was absolutely gorgeous and man who what why don’t want to give to like go back there right and have some more of that and and yeah don’t you know you don’t appreciate as a kid right? One of the things Who am I gonna play with

Jenna Dalton 30:40
greener The grass is always greener yeah

Brandon Handley 30:43
of course yeah i mean you know you’re kind of on your journey then like even like take off like you get go out singing around the world, like you know. And you keep you keep going all this stuff. I mean, we probably talk a lot in this area. But one of the things I wanted to draw attention to was the fact that how you and I connected was through this lantern healing. We connected with Liliana. How do I say her last name? I don’t know. Zola? Yeah, so we connected we connected through her through I think somebody that worked with her before. And so here we are, but I wanted you what, what kind of work are you doing with Lotus lantern? You know, what brought you to the podcast today. Outside of this? You know, this has been a fun conversation, of course. And, you know, what’s up? What are you doing?

Jenna Dalton 31:33
Well, for now, I’m doing a lot, the most, most of what we do at Lotus lantern is energy reading. So you can come here, have us look at your energy system, and look at what’s blocked and clearing. So that’s that’s the magic of what we do in a very, very tight nutshell. And then what I also love about Lotus mentors, we have all these offerings, these workshops, so we have writers retreats, we have a Defense Against the Dark Arts class that’s really fun Harry Potter inspired. I do a team group that’s kind of like what I was talking about. I want to be that human in somebody’s life who can hold space. And so we have a teen group that teens can come and do. Just kind of learn these skills. Liliana has this amazing abcdefg program that really is kind of foolproof and not woowoo which I love having grown up in as woowoo you know it’s just really nice to have she really starts with the foundation of grounding, tapping into the earth aligning your energy and having that be the foundation for your spirituality instead of going for that enlightenment or going for that goal of oh she’s like it’s right here all the juicy and you know all the juiciness of life is right here and we’re working with it and so those are the some of the things that we offer and it’s it’s really really fun working for her she is she is dynamic she’s this amazing Latina woman that’s just like really vibrant and she brings a humor and a joy to spiritual practice that that I absolutely love and adore that. Yeah, I did it for a while I was like in a Buddhist community or a yoga community and it’s so serious and for me I just can’t I can’t do it I’m too much of a goofball and she is a goofball. And so together we create ridiculous workshops where basically we’re like laughing the whole weekend and then we realize oh my gosh, I feel really connected and awesome afterwards so

Brandon Handley 33:40
that was a you know, that was one of the things that when I first saw some of her work she was doing I think the the in the car medium readings or whatever I was like this is so great, right? This is just just like it’s fun it’s entertaining she’s doing her thing and it’s really legit at the same time and like this This man is just like it’s fun. Right and I don’t know if you checked out spiritual like the website or if you checked it out she’s like, saying like I’m so over like this is the spiritual thing and it’s super serious and like heavy saturated and like be like sometimes I like the curse I like swear like to do all sides sometimes there’s some things I like to do that they may not even be spiritual at all right? Or like they may not even like relate to what I’m doing but like I don’t care like that’s not that’s not the point of it. The point of it, I would say is like to find that connection to yourself like you were talking about where is that place that you can connect with within yourself that you call home? Yeah, right. Where is the place that you can go to with somebody like bully II and yourself. You can have fun and feel connected, right? Not like where you’re like, we can’t talk right now because I’m connecting to God.

Jenna Dalton 34:56
Right?

Brandon Handley 34:57
This is not a good time for me.

Jenna Dalton 35:00
One of my favorite things about the first class, I pick up the leather shoes like I love troublemakers, that I was just like,

Brandon Handley 35:06
that’s me, I totally.

Jenna Dalton 35:09
And that’s what I love about Lotus lantern healing arts is it’s all about whatever’s coming up for you, that’s what’s supposed to come up, whether so let’s say you’re going totally unconscious, you’re even listening to what I’m saying. Awesome. You know, and that’s, and that’s how I’ve always taught when I teach. That’s how I just love. I love working with what’s right here. And so that’s really, that’s great. Liliana is so inclusive, she is so inclusive, like whatever is coming in, she just greets it with, yes, that’s awesome, we’re gonna work with that, that’s great. And to me, that’s true spirituality, if you’re, if you’re saying I can only meditate when it’s dark, and quiet and soft. But it is easier sometimes to meditate like that. But if that’s the only time you can touch God, you’re gonna be in trouble. Because we live in a loud, crazy world. And if you can touch God, while you’re in the loud, crazy world, you’re gonna be better off,

Brandon Handley 36:08
what are some ways that you found that you’re able to do that,

Jenna Dalton 36:13
um, I think one of the biggest ways so she has all the, we have all these wonderful little tricks. So grounding room, I’m going, I’m walking into a room, and it’s crazy, it’s a party and as an empath, I could walk into that room. And then like you said, I’m gonna have to fill in everybody’s heart spaces that have holes. And that’s really bad and dangerous and yucky for me to do energetically, right? So I just go into a room and I grabbed the corners of the room, and I ground it down into the earth, and I just set that intention. And so now I can be in the room. And maybe I’ll just like reground, myself, I just set that intention before I go into the space. And now I can go in and have a party and be with people and I’ve protected myself and I’m mingling and going through and having fun and sharing my joy with people. And in that moment, I’m feeling my feet on the ground, I feel aligned, I can feel spirit running through me. And I’m aware of all of that. And I can use that to just totally be present in a conversation and give the gift of my presence. And those are the skills that I’ve learned through Lotus mentoring. So that that’s kind of what we teach is how to how to be a person and how to survive those moments. When you’re like, overwhelmed. Okay, I have this toolbox that I can go to. So those are some of the tools. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:35
yeah, no, that’s great. So I mean, I guess when you’re grounding yourself, is it almost like a lightning rod? For you, were you letting the energy kind of pass through you versus kind of holding on to it is that sounds working for you? Yeah. And I feel it like

Jenna Dalton 37:51
going through like I like to, I like to imagine it coming out from the earth. Going up to the front of me, I like to imagine something coming down from and going down the back of me, and then just keeping that going, like, that’s what feels good to me. And again, I think for other people that maybe you have something else that works for you, but that’s the one that works for me, because I am a goer and a doer. And I like I like it to be moving. more towards

Brandon Handley 38:18
you got like a vortex kind of running. Okay. So I love that you’re sharing what you’re doing through Lotus, and through Lilya. But I’m sure that you brought some things of your own with you, what are some of the things that you’re owning that you do like that you brought to this? Like, I’m because my guess is she doesn’t just take anybody on and be like, Oh, you can just train with me? Maybe she does. But I’m sure that there was something that you brought, which is like, I need to have you with me, what are some of those things?

Jenna Dalton 38:49
I mean, I think you’d have to ask her, but my guess is that, that there is a connection that I have with children and a connection that I have with teenagers. That is very special. A knowledge that I have of where children are at spiritually and that’s that’s pretty rare in this day and age to have like a there’s a lot of people that have like pedagogical understanding of children, but to have an understanding of where somebody at spiritually developmentally is a that’s kind of my specialty. So that’s something that and then the other thing she says I love is and this was also this is just the artist in me and also the Waldorf training is that I tell stories, I tell stories all the time. So when we’re doing a workshop, I’ll be like, that’s just like grandmother spider who blah blah and then all of a sudden we’re all in a kindergarten class listening to storytime. And so that’s also something that I like to bring. It’s the musician and me the artist in me that like likes to spice anything up with with a picture with an image with an imagination and kind of making life more exciting. That way, I’m not really big on lectures, you know?

Brandon Handley 40:05
I mean, it’s, uh, you know, I’m a great storyteller by any stretch of the imagination, but I understand how it’s supposed to work. And the deal is you, you don’t tell him, you show him, right. And so because storytellers creates that visual and shows shows the story. Teen Spirit, right Sounds Like Teen Spirit 100 Alex, what’s that look like for you and being able to kind of suss that out. And being able to tell where where the teams are in their journey, or

Jenna Dalton 40:41
my work with the teams has been magical. I feel like they’re teaching me way more than I’m teaching them. Basically, what I’m doing is like holding space and being sometimes the only adult in their life is not telling them what they have to do. So that’s my gift that I give them is like, here’s a big open space, you’re allowed to swear you’re allowed to tell me how depressed you are, you’re allowed to be anxious, you’re allowed to tell me how much you hate your friends. Like anything goes here. So that’s my and then if they’re giving to me is holy cow. It’s really hard to be a teen in the world today. And I am like, I feel like every day I’m meditating and asking for more advice from my guides and my, my inner wisdom of how to help with that, because it’s, it is a very intense world to be a teen, if you imagine your own adolescence, and then amplify it by having your social network be there 24 hours a day, seven days a week on several platforms.

Brandon Handley 41:43
Yeah. First of all, I’ve never get anywhere after that, right? It’s like, I mean, I don’t know about you, but and my wife and I was talking about the fact that like, if we’d had that shit growing up, like dunzo, right, like, I mean, I can only imagine the stupid stuff that would have posted too late, you know, it’d be just like, any, any anybody else that does it on like, spring break, right? You know, you’re like, Oh, right. So, so glad that I didn’t have that. Yeah, yeah.

Jenna Dalton 42:15
So that’s what I’ve been. And, and again, I feel like Like for instance, his last group that this last girl’s group, the teen empowerment group that they did, what they just kept asking about was how do I deal with toxic relationships? How do I deal with toxic relationships? How do I deal with toxic relationships? So we just really started digging into like, what is that and you know, I teaching them how to be strong enough in themselves that whatever comes at them, they can just go Wash, wash or wash? You know that that’s what I’m teaching them. And then they’re bringing to me like okay, this time it didn’t work. So what do I do then? And so then we talk about it in the circle, okay, what would you do? What would you have done?

Brandon Handley 42:57
Just kind of explore the scenarios with them and just, I guess, you know, again, sounds like you’re you’re giving them support and encouragement and the empowerment and Wonder Woman Yeah.

Jenna Dalton 43:11
Yeah, we play a lot of games too, which lightens it up so that it’s not oh my god my whole life’s over because that one friend doesn’t like me anymore. Okay, well, let’s let’s make that into a game and let’s face let’s play around with it, that person’s going to roleplay your friend and now you have the power to make her say whatever you want. And then they you know, so there’s only things that we do that we play around with that kind of helps lighten the mood to because that’s and that’s the gift that I learned from Liliana too is just that you can have a darkest craziest stuff coming at you but if you breed it with a big smile, it’s got no power it’s got no power

Brandon Handley 43:50
so that’s great. That’s great. So if you know somebody checking in and checking checking in today right let’s do this first we’ll do I was liking this to spiritual speed dating somebody checking in on the podcast today. They’re looking for the next spiritual speed date, right? Jenna could be you. Bachelorette number one. Let’s have spiritual questions. What are we thinking today? What are we thinking today? Oh, you know what? RDS at one? Two? What’s the key? Nope, don’t like that one. What would you consider to be two major turning points here let’s go with the

Jenna Dalton 44:32
E major turning points in my life. First one was moving from the desert to the city major turning. Another major turning point was becoming a mother. That one knocked me on my ass the way in a way I could not even imagine I fell. So in love. I fell so in love. I my whole definition of love changed the second my

Brandon Handley 44:59
absolutely Right. I mean, that’s a game changer. game changer. I think that, you know, you’ve already learned you know, love, you know, love, you know, love. And then you know, you get in your relationship, you know, love, then the kids show up you’re like, Oh, this is a whole soft, soft mouse. Right? There’s a what you thought it was love was like a puddle. Right now you’re now you’re in a vast ocean? of it? For sure, for sure.

was asking myself this earlier today? I don’t know that I’m still seeking. Or that I found these Gee, would you consider yourself a seeker? Or do you think you found what it was that you’re looking for? And you’re just continuing to explore that space? Where are you out of that?

Jenna Dalton 45:52
Yeah, I do. I think I’ve found and I think what my journey is right now is to is to have a daily practice of touching into that found place. But that’s my work right now. It’s like, I have all the all the tools that I need for being happy. And now I have to use them. That’s, that’s where I’m at right now. And in the journey. Yeah, that’s it.

Brandon Handley 46:21
That’s awesome. What do you think, is one or two of your most recently found tools,

Jenna Dalton 46:29
sitting at the base of a tree. That one’s been really big, I used to do it a lot when I was little, like, I would just do it. And maybe it’s just from living in the city and being kind of confined to our house during COVID times. But I found I need sometimes to just get out and actually be touching, physically touching a tree. I don’t know what it is about that. But I just need that reminder of something that’s got its roots way down deep, deep in the earth. So that’s, that’s been one. And I guess the other one is just I don’t know how this has happened. I feel like it’s an it’s an after effect of a lot of spiritual work. But I just don’t take things very seriously anymore. And so when stuff starts coming at me, it’s just kind of like wonderful growth opportunity, as opposed to Oh, my God, I’m gonna die and my life’s over, you know, so. Right. And I again, I don’t know exactly how I’ve cultivated that other than it just seems like the only options.

Brandon Handley 47:36
For sure, for sure. Right? Like, I mean, alright, well, here we go again. Yeah, at least I don’t have to wait in line for this ride. Awesome. So this I mean, bend, bend, blast, I think that you’ve got a lot to share, who, you know, in marketing world, right? And you know, you’re always posted a fire niche, or Who’s your ideal customer who you really trying to reach out to Who do you feel like you would serve best? At this point,

Jenna Dalton 48:03
I think the person that I would serve best is a pert the person who really wants to take the next steps to connecting to a to a spiritual practice, or a spiritual world. That person that’s experiencing stuff and feels like they’re going crazy. I’m that person who can say actually, you’re not crazy. It’s just let’s just look at things a little differently. And then you’ll see that you’re actually really powerful. So I really love I mean, I love working with all people anything you give me a love, but I really love it when people are just taking that first step or a new step into something into the next level. Or maybe it’s their first step ever into like, I think I’m gonna start a meditation practice or something. I love that I love working with that person who’s who’s ready and willing, like I had an experience. I know there’s something out there. I want to dig a little deeper. Can you tell me more? And I bet Yes, they yes for me.

Brandon Handley 49:04
So you’re setting them up, right? That’s perfect. You’re setting them up. So they don’t crash and burn. There’s at least like a little bit of a it’s almost like you’re setting up the big fluffy bed cows where they just dive into it. Right? All right. Awesome. So I know you’ve you’ve got the lowest you’re at the lotus lantern site, where should people go specifically to connect with you?

Jenna Dalton 49:27
I have a website that’s acoustic vitality.org. So that’s where you can get direct contact with me. And yeah, that’s it. You’ll see I’ve got my music on there, my art and then all that. If you want to do a healing session or if you want to do a session with your team, I can do all that kind of stuff. So

Brandon Handley 49:49
So I was wondering, do you do any of the energy work remote?

Jenna Dalton 49:55
Yeah, I do all of it remotely. Right. And that right now? Yeah, we don’t monetize. We’re

Brandon Handley 49:59
gonna take the fix. This broken for sure for sure how do we you know I think he wrote something that was really good too that I enjoyed was to something about you know, rounding the edges right versus you know just kind of will say that it’s almost like the skulls of Michelangelo when he’s doing the the marble work it’s already all there it’s just you know, refining it so yeah,

Jenna Dalton 50:27
rubbing off those cabinets those rough edges that we’re always doing. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:32
Well just so so much fun to have you here. I love the work that you’re doing glad that we had the opportunity to connect. Thanks for you know, sticking with the long way. I know like I said that it’s been a long time, but I’m really glad that we’re able to connect today and

Jenna Dalton 50:47
thank you so much. You’re awesome. I

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Brandon Handley 0:01
Boom here hey there spiritual tube I am on here today with Jacqueline Johnson of the manifested calm Jacqueline I connected, I were just talking to her a little bit earlier about how we connected on Instagram, I really kind of dig everything that you’ve got going on with your manifestation space and kind of what you’re putting out there the messaging. And we felt like it’d be a good idea for you to hop on the podcast and share some of the messaging out and what it is that you’re doing and how others can, you know, find that and implement that in their own lives. So Jacqueline, once you give me a little, give the audience a little bit of a background on yourself. And we’ll jump into

Jaclyn Johnston 0:39
thanks so much for having me, Brandon. So I am My name is Jacqueline Johnston. And I’m a number one best selling author of the dolgeville stuck books, the series, and I also am the creator of the brand manifested and the podcast show host of the same name manifested.

Brandon Handley 1:05
Awesome, thanks for and again, thanks for hopping on here today. So as you know, right, we’re vehicles of source right sources kind of always come in through us and speaks to us to help others out, right? Like the more that we open ourselves up to be of service to others than then the sources kind of like, blows through us. And it’s in that vein, right that when you’re here and you’re speaking to you and I are speaking, you and I have a conversation, but the person on the other end is going to hear something totally different. And it’s gonna hear this message that can only be delivered through you today, Jacqueline, on this podcast at this time, what is that message that is coming through safely,

Jaclyn Johnston 1:45
I have to one, like, literally time is an illusion, it doesn’t exist. I work with physicists at a university. So I’m really, really anything and everything that you see other people manifest, it can manifest for you as well. And to us soon as you fully surrender to the outcome, and I do mean fully surrender, it just, it just shows up so quickly. Yep.

Brandon Handley 2:22
So when you say fully surrender to the outcome, were you saying

Jaclyn Johnston 2:25
I mean, there’s this method that I use, and I call it manifest manifest faster. And I use it by writing into reality. So every single time I write something down that I desire, and I match it with current blessings, or past achievements, with what I want to manifest in what I want to achieve, but I write it down as if it’s already happening, or has happened, your brain doesn’t know the difference between what’s true and what’s false. And neither does the universe, because it just responds to you through the boomerang effect. So whenever I write something down, and I just take about five minutes a day to do it, it programs and reprograms. And in helps my brain to understand that you know what this is possible, it was possible for somebody else, so it can be possible. For me, it’s like learning how to drive a car, learning an app on your phone. You remember when we were kids, and we were learning how to tire fuse. I mean, really, and truly, you can do this, you just have to give your permission is to give yourself permission to do so. And by writing it down, I have found that it manifests manifest faster.

Brandon Handley 3:47
For sure, so when you’re writing these manifests, and you know, when you’re when you’re manifesting, is it? Is it repetition of something? Or is it the creation of something? Or is it the development of an idea is kind of what’s that process look like for you as

Jaclyn Johnston 4:06
part of the process of fully surrendering is training your brain. And so it does involve some repetition, but not to the point where it’s all you focus on because then you focus on the need, rather than then just being open. So it’s really and truly learning how to appreciate everything that you do have, what you’ve accomplished so far, and building upon that through the compound effect of each day. And I mean, that’s really and truly How do you learn the lyrics to a song that you hear for the first time and you really like it, you set the intention to learn the lyrics to the song and you may not know it after hearing it the first time around, but you do learn it because you set the intention to do so. So It’s the same thing when it comes to writing in reality, you set the intention every day, hey, you know, I’m open to this. And I trust the process. And I trust the universe because it doesn’t matter when or how it happens. I just know it’s a possibility. And then when you mix that with other things in your life or your career, then you’re not focusing solely on that particular desire. And it helps you to fully surrender. And then when you fully surrender, the universe just responds so quickly.

Brandon Handley 5:40
I had a full surrender moment this morning. I couldn’t find my complaint. Right. And it but it but it was it really is in the same context, because it’s a and it was funny because I felt myself in this moment. Like, I can’t find it. And like, my chest started to get all tight. Like I wasn’t even like, I was like, frantic rain like that. It wasn’t a big deal. But it was like, I felt like this panic, I felt like this thing. And I was like, Oh, I’m putting all this like yuck energy. And like finding my phone, I’m like, this sucks. I was like, Alright, well, I guess I won’t have it with me, I’ll just roll on out. And I turn the corner is like, there was like, right there to my right. And I’m like, and it was like just a matter of just letting it go, just a moment of just like letting it go be like, I would like to have it, I don’t have to have it, it would be great if it showed up sooner rather than later. But whatever, we’re just gonna roll it, that kind of what we’re looking at,

Jaclyn Johnston 6:35
because the it’s like with the wave in the the waves in the ocean, you know, there’s so much tension that pulls back when the wave comes back into the ocean. And it reminds me also have a bow and arrow, like you’re you’re stressing out and you’re and don’t get me wrong, I live with anxiety every single day, and I’m a type a person. So I I’m constantly surrendering and practicing, it’s a lifelong journey. But you get better at it with practice. And so you have that tension, you know, mentally in your emotions. You’re like, Oh, my gosh, I can’t find my phone in your case. And you’re just like I need, I need to control this outcome. I need to control the surroundings. I need my phone. And then as soon as you like you said, you just said okay, well, whatever, I’m just gonna roll with it, then the wave surges forward, and you start hanging 10 because then instantly your manifestation or your desire, whatever it is, shows up. And yeah, instantly, that arrow just propelled forward towards the target. And it really and truly is learning how, like you said, to let go and stop controlling the how and the when, and I know everybody hears that all the time. But it really truly is a, a practice. And it’s a daily practice. Because as human beings in our society, we’re trained to want to control everything around us. Because let’s be honest, the unknown is scary. And I had that same experience. Most recently. I mean, I’ve manifested so many things in such a short amount of time in my life. But most recently, a couple of weeks ago, I gave up gave up but let go and gave into the how and the when of wanting to move to Cincinnati I have right now live in Dallas. And I’ve been with my boyfriend for four years. And I were you know, we want to be closer together. And I just kept like, feeling frustrated, up until about two weeks ago, because I thought, well, I’m gonna have to find a job. And then, you know, I work at the university with businesses, and I love my job. And I do I love working with them. And once I finally just was like, You know what, I’m not gonna stress about it. It’ll come in to play, it’ll, all the pieces will come together when it’s the right time. And then as soon as that happens, I literally got a phone call from the University of Cincinnati. Also in insight, it’s like the College of Medicine, but that’s still science base. But yeah, so I got a job offer to work in the College of Medicine to do their accounting, and I got actually offered a lot more money, then I’m getting paid here. And so I realized now every time I realized this, whenever I do manifest anything and everything. I realized that if I just stop trying to control the outcome, then things either manifest exactly how I expect it. Or much better comes to me and it’s usually much better, I would say 95% of the time, it’s much better than I can, you know, expect or or imagine because honestly, I wasn’t expecting the salary increase, like it is and I just felt so blessed in so now everything’s happening so fast. And the universe, I mean, it’s a boomerang, it just responds, but you got to let go of the control.

Brandon Handley 10:32
That’s great. The, the, the, the idea is if I, if I’m, if I’m following this or something better, right. And then I think it’s interesting that you’ve, you’re a type a person working in a scientific field and or space. And you’re, you’re also in this space, you’re also in the manifestation space. We know I’m guessing, also that it didn’t happen overnight. You weren’t always this person. So how did you? What’s your journey look like?

Jaclyn Johnston 11:05
Yeah. So when I went to, I went to college at UT Austin. And when I first got there, I thought I wanted to work in physics. And then my senior year, I realized, Oh, my gosh, I really love literature. And I love writing. And I’m an INFJ, and the Myers Briggs, which is a famous psychology test, which basically means I utilize both hemispheres of my brain equally. So you know, some people are extremely, like genius level on the right side of their brain or the left side of their brain. And I utilize both equally, so I’m a little bit more well rounded, and not really genius level in one particular subject. But yeah, so I ended up graduating with an English major and a minor in Communication Studies. But then I ended up in real estate, and I didn’t like it wasn’t for me, I was doing accounting in it, which is funny, because I don’t have an accounting degree. But with my experience, I was able to wind up back in the physics area, doing math all day long. But I also have the pleasure of writing books. So I have three published books now. And I have my own business and my own products, like mugs and journals, and I have the podcast. And I also, you know, write for media platforms. So you know, when you put yourself in a any kind of confinement, that limits you. And so, I believe that because everything exists simultaneously in the universe, then why not have the best of both worlds. And if you, and I know it’s hard, because I want to control too. But if you trust the process, it will happen so much faster for you whether it’s getting out of debt, I used to be in $29,000 worth of debt. And I got out of it. And I got out of that debt two weeks after I fully surrendered to that. And that was a few years ago. And I mean, I manifested a brand new car of my choosing for free. I got a brand new washer and dryer set for free. And I met my most favorite person in the whole world, Bruce Springsteen. And there’s just an i O. And I was single for nine years. And when I say single, I mean, could have checked myself into the convent single, I did not date. And I just decided I’m going to write him into reality. And I did that within 10 months. We’ve been together for four years, and now we’re moving, moving forward in the relationship. And he’s a chemist, he’s an inventor in chemistry. Yeah. So yeah, why not have the best of both worlds? It’s possible. And it’s possible for someone else and it’s possible for you, why can’t it be?

Brandon Handley 14:08
So let’s look at just starting small, right? Let’s just let’s just because, correct me if I’m wrong, but this a lot of this is going to work off of your beliefs, right? What are you willing to accept? And so let’s start off in the beginning, how do I start off in this space? What do I need to do,

Jaclyn Johnston 14:30
I always recommend, don’t focus on one particular desire. You don’t focus on anything and everything that you would like to manifest so that way you’re not focusing and creating vibrations of needs and lack. And you can start with smaller goals. And you can start with bigger goals. And you can start with, I don’t know like mid range goals. I say just allow it. Anything and everything. And then as you practice each day with writing into reality and shifting, you know what’s possible for you, which my my books, my three books that I have that don’t feel stuck series, I guide you day by day on how to do this. And I literally put in all of my it’s like programs but in a book, and I put in everything that I did for myself and still do for myself into these books. But it’s it’s that compound effect of the daily practice. So I know some people say, oh, start out with a small goal. Or some people say no, just focus on the one thing you want. And I’m saying why limit yourself just, you know, talk about anything and everything that you’re open to. And then as you shift, your self esteem will start to shift. Because let’s face it, most people want to believe in something that’s outside of themselves. And through my books with the cognitive behavioral training, which is psychology, I literally guide you and teach you how to start trusting yourself more, which in turn is trusting the universe, because we are the same elemental particles that are of the universe. So yeah, as you practice this practice makes progression and progression brings the manifestation. And again, being open to anything and everything. Blessing wise, coming your way, it’ll give you a confidence boost, and then over time, you’ll start taking manifesting action is how I call it, but it’s basically taking action towards your goals. So when you show the universe what you want, because physical action is a much stronger vibration than just thinking something, you know, a thought is just a thought, it’s a fleeting moment of feeling a stronger vibration, because you put focus on it. But action action is where it’s that and you want something to manifest, write it down, because that’s action, right? visualizing. And also just, you know, taking steps and saying, hey, universe, I mean business, I’m showing you what I want. And then you got to, again, trust the process surrender, and it will happen so fast.

Brandon Handley 17:24
Right? So I, you know, here Amir was saying the the idea of, you know, writing it down is an action of itself. And not to limit yourself to just starting small you can you can, anything, right? You’re saying anything is on the table? Why not? It’s all here. And it’s all here at the same time already, is something I’m kind of hearing you say, saying to like, you know, time is an illusion. So what’s that look like? Right? What do you mean, it’s all here already.

Jaclyn Johnston 17:56
So I like to tell people, if you close your eyes, and you imagine this clear, protective bubble around you, and then outside of it are all of your desires. I’m saying, you know, pop the bubble and let it come to you like it’s floating around, you know, but if you keep that separation of, Oh, I don’t know, if it’s possible for me, then you’re just you’re just keeping it at arm’s length. And so I say pop the bubble, allow it to come in. Don’t worry about how it comes to you. Or when it comes to you just be open to it coming to you. And another scenario I like to use is I call it your manifestations are delivered by ups universe Parcel Service. I know it’s so cheesy. But you know, when you go online, and you put in an item that you want to purchase, you click it and add it to the cart. And then when you go to check out, you put in your shipping address, and then you hit submit, and then you know that it’s on its way to you, you know that it’s coming. It’s the same process when it comes to your desires. You say, Okay, I want this, and you click the checkout mentally. You put in your shipping address, meaning taking action, like taking steps to make it happen. And then you just trust that okay, well, it’s on its way to me, and then as soon as you fully stop trying to control your surroundings, it shows up right away.

Brandon Handley 19:34
I love that. I mean, as you’re sitting there talking, I’m like, wow, you can make a fun game out of that and of itself. And while I’m thinking of that, in terms of manifestation, you know, we’ve been talking about positive manifestation the whole time, right? So this also works negatively, you know. And I guess, you know, we can ask people who are looking for the evidence that it’s an accent to kind of like, trace their thoughts back one way or another. Oh, where did that come from? How did that show up in your life? Right? So how do you, you know, for just just to get people started, right? Or even like kind of sharing your story? What uh, how did you get the free car? How did you know that’s over your life? I’m curious on the story, just share with the audience like what’s Tell us about that one? Yeah. So

Jaclyn Johnston 20:25
I, I remember, I had a is a Honda Civic, and I loved that car so much, the AC was broken. And since I live in Texas, it’s super hot in the summer. And I just remember, I would leave campus, it was so hot, and I the windows rolled down. And I, every day, I kept imagining myself in my car with a nice cool breeze in my car, a working AC. And I just kept imagining myself feeling cool. And, you know, it’s kind of like when you know, when you start talking about mosquitoes, and how they fly around you, and then they, they bite you, and then you get all itchy. And the more you talk about it, you’re gonna start feeling itchy. Or if you have to use the restroom and you start talking about water, then you know, it’s that urge. So I just kept telling myself on the drive home every day from the campus, like, Oh, my AC is so cool, it feels so good in here. And all I wanted was an a working AC in my car, it wasn’t an old car, it just was a broken AC, that’s all it was. And then about, I would say it was like a month later, I got a gift that I wasn’t expecting. And I got some money. And I realized, oh my gosh, I can get a car of my choosing for free. And I didn’t have to pay a dime for it. And it again, it’s that whole, you know, 95% of the time, it’s much better than you imagine coming to you. So why limit yourself into thinking that there’s a certain stopping point in terms of your desires coming to you, again, I didn’t think I would get a new car, or get money for a new car. But I just I was just so thankful that I was focusing on my AC working and then a bigger blessing came. And it’s the same thing. I mean, with recently with, you know, vote now moving to Cincinnati and working on our campus affair, you know, I just, I just tried to focus on how thankful I am for everything. But I also imagined myself, you know, experiencing what it is that I want to experience. And like you said it can work in a negative way as well. And I always love to use the bug analogy because yeah, you start filling he I mean even just talking about it, I want to scratch my leg right now even though I know there’s nothing there. But you know, your your body is not a solid, it’s tiny little particles just bouncing around all the time. So your perception is your reality. We want to think that things are a certain way, but they’re really not. And we’re the same energy that makes up the universe. And energy just influences itself. So you might as well be the master at it and influence it in a way to where you’re open to anything and everything coming to you and things that you want will come to you in a much better way. Well,

Brandon Handley 23:50
Jackie, Jacqueline, I need to plan this out. It’s got to be linear. I’ve got to have a plan needs to be my way. I’ve got to pay attention to the plan. I’ve got to act it out. What the hell? How? We’re out. Yeah. So what do you say?

Jaclyn Johnston 24:03
I’m the same way my, um, my grandpa is a Sicilian American. And growing up, he taught me everything happens in sequential order. So it again, it’s like you’re trained a certain way to expect things a certain way. And so you have to practice every day, even if it’s five minutes. Take those mental breaks that alarms in your phone to go off so that way throughout your day when you’re at work, you hear the alarm and you go, oh, mental break, and you just sit and relax. And you can meditate or you can just sit and write it out or type it on your computer. And just like focus on everything that you’re thankful for it can be literally because your coffee tasted extra good that morning, or it could be something even bigger. You know if you had a big bowl I think come your way, but I, I literally focus on how thankful I am that, you know, I have hands that work and, you know, legs that I can move and, and I just build upon that compound effect of, of building and don’t get me wrong I love to be in charge I love to take control. And I’m a planner. I’m a huge planner. And that’s okay. Because that’s what I did. I started looking for places in Cincinnati a week ago, and I thought, Oh, it would be cool to be over here. Oh, it’d be cool to be over here. But I didn’t attach myself to it. I just thought, Oh, I’m open to it. Same thing with Bruce Springsteen. I had a dream at night he pulled me up on stage was obviously during dancing in the dark. And in my dream, you know, it was great. It was fantastic. I woke up I laughed. I said, huh, that would be awesome. But oh, well, if it doesn’t work out, drove to work that day. And literally I kid you not one month to the day later, I was at his concert. He pulled me up on stage during dancing in the dark. Same thing habit.

Brandon Handley 26:16
I love it. Now what about somebody? Well, Jacqueline, that’s great. Sounds like you have a lot of coincidences in your life,

Jaclyn Johnston 26:23
incidences. So yeah, you can call them coincidences. You can call them blessings. You can call them forks, you can literally, like identify it, and symbolize it and have it represent whatever you want it to be your, your, your own limit. Because again, everything exists simultaneously in the universe. we collectively as a society, call a laptop, a laptop, but really, it could be a table.

Brandon Handley 26:57
Right? Like say, it’s just like, you know, call it what you need to call it. I’m gonna call it what I’m calling it, and it’s working for me. Right? I mean, that’s right. That’s the gist. And you know, it doesn’t have to be just because I come along, and I’m like, well, that’s coincidence. That’s whatever and like, doesn’t sound like you’re up for it. Right? I mean,

Jaclyn Johnston 27:15
you get to choose how it represents for you, you get to choose how you want to focus on it. And just because somebody says something a certain way doesn’t mean it’s actually a certain way. It’s their perception. And that’s their reality. Because, again, energy is just constantly bouncing around all day long throughout the universe, in colliding into itself, and shaping itself and molding itself. So you get to choose, just like if you were like, say your hand, for example, if you push on the skin on your hand, it moves and changes shape, because you’re influencing it, and you’re making that decision, but the universe it responds to you. So that’s why I say you’re your own limit. And you can call it whatever you want. Like in my new book, don’t feel stuck with money. I have the reader pick out their favorite song, and change up the lyrics. And you’ll change up the lyrics and put money or abundance in certain spots. And so that way, whenever you start hearing your favorite song, you you associate money with a positive thing rather than a negative thing. But it’s your choice. Either way, I think it’s hilarious. When law of attraction people try to say, Oh, no, you have to do it this way. And I’m like, Who says you have to do it that way. You say it has to be done that way, because that’s what you choose for your own reality. But there’s all kinds of ways you can manifest. I mean, you don’t have to write it down every single time. I like to write because for me, it works. But I type onto my laptop as well. And that totally worth. It’s just the whole point is just to get your mind to be more open and more accepting to whatever rather than things being a specific way, shape or form definition.

Brandon Handley 29:11
Fair enough. And I get you know, I guess that if you’re just looking at it in this specific way, shape or definition, that’s what you’re tuning your brain to right. That’s what you’re tuning your mind to. And that’s that’s the limitation, right? Those are confinements I believe his words, used earlier confinements to how, how this can show up in your life. And again, you’re like, Well, you know, here are the ways I suppose show up. Here’s what I see in my mind. This is what I accept as proof that it’s working. Whereas he just be like, again, letting it go. Right? Not be attached to the outcome. And chances of it showing up seem a little bit

Jaclyn Johnston 29:51
better. Yeah, because you you literally get what you expect and And that expectations, those are built through what beliefs and beliefs are built through what training to think and focus a specific way. And we go through school and we’re taught to learn how to write, and we’re taught to learn how to use mathematics. But it doesn’t mean that just because most people write with their right hand, that left handed people should write with their right hand, I’m left handed, I was ambidextrous as a child, my pick the lucky one, because everybody else was doing it the other way. It’s just a matter of Yeah, keeping your mind open and understanding that there is there’s no such thing as time. Time is, is really an it’s an observation between event A and event B. And that filler is what time is. But like I said earlier, anybody can have anything they want. And just because you see it happening for someone else, doesn’t mean that it can’t happen for you, you’re a human being just like they are. And just because you see them at a successful point, doesn’t mean you can’t get there yourself, you just have to give yourself some time and practice and use the compound effect we don’t see with our eyes, we see with our mind, our mind is the projector. And our eyes are the screens. And that’s how our anatomy is built. So if you can see it and envision it, and like feel good when you visualize it. And the more you do it, the less foreign it feels. And then therefore, you are able to accept it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
How key is attaching some emotion to this?

Jaclyn Johnston 31:54
Well, depending on if you want to, it depends, it just kind of depends on what kind of a outcome for your emotion that you want to feel. Do you mean for someone who wants to be in a positive state like most of the time in attaching to positive feelings? Or do you just mean in general?

Brandon Handley 32:15
So if I am attempting to manifest something and completely brain manifest a saint, I got all those intellect I’m like, Alright, yeah, I want that thing. I want that thing. I want that thing. Give it to me Give it to me, I see it, I see it, I see it. I’ve written like my man, you know, I’ve written off, but I’m not feeling anything, right? isn’t important. Can I do it with just like just thinking yeah? Or do I need to have some emotion involved? You

Jaclyn Johnston 32:43
can. It’s not as strong as an emotion. Because a thought is a fleeting moment. And so you don’t have much attachment to it. But a feeling you have a bit more attachment to it. And physical actions are even stronger vibrations. So I’m not saying that you can’t just sit on your couch and just think something. And I’m not saying that it can’t happen. It can’t happen. I mean, there’s a ratio to everything in the universe. So everything’s mathematics, there’s numbers. So it can happen. It’s just if you want to happen faster, then you want to envision yourself, doing whatever it is you want. And relishing in that moment and feeling thankful and blessed because the emotion is the stronger vibration.

Brandon Handley 33:36
I got it. Yeah, I’ve jotted this down, right, yeah, as you were trying to talk and you talked about, like the bow and arrow earlier. Like, it’s kind of like, your thoughts are the arrow in this scenario? And your emotions are kind of like what like sends it out? Right? Is that fair? Yeah.

Jaclyn Johnston 33:52
And for me, someone who has anxiety every single day, that that tension is the anxiety for me, it’s the stress of, of, Oh, I need, I need to know what’s going on. And I need to control because I’m a planner. And yeah, that’s true. But I always think like, why do I want to feel that way all the time. So so then again, it’s it’s a, it’s a journey, it’s something that you’re a student at all your life, because the more you practice it, practice the surrender, then you’ll start manifesting things, and then it’ll get a little bit easier. But also your desires get bigger, right? Because we always want more. So, exactly. So that’s why when, when I say I’m a master at the law of attraction, I’m a master at 99% because we’re always wanting more, and it’s always learning the growth and expansion through the art of surrendering. So yeah, so the arrow is, is definitely what you want. And the bow is like the union Verse saying, Hey, this is you know, this is me, this is how I operate, here’s the bow the framework. And then for me, the tension would be things it in the stress. But as soon as I let that go, it’s like, I pop the can have a, you know, one of those bubbly drinks. And it’s like, and I feel so much better because I released really, that need to control. And then the, it’s just like, boom, there it goes. Arrow arrow has left and it’s going in that direction.

Brandon Handley 35:33
Nice. The newest book is centered around what exactly,

Jaclyn Johnston 35:38
yeah, so I just published don’t feel stuck with money. And that is all about all the different ways you can manifest money. And I feel like, whether it doesn’t matter what the amount is, for me, it doesn’t matter. I just want more, right, we always want more money. So I go through different ways to manifest it. Sorry, to make the pun of my brand. But I, you know, again, I mentioned earlier, you know, playing around with lyrics to your favorite song. There’s also a kind of a fun exercise in there, about how, especially lately with the pandemic, you know, we’re encouraged to wash our hands more often. So I have a fun exercise. That includes being mindful with washing our hands, but also manifesting more money using a hand washing method. I also talk about and we do exercises with house chores. And I know that sounds like how do you manifest money with house chores. But there’s all kinds of fun ways to do you think. So this book is it’s a little different from the other two books that I previously published, in the sense that, like, I’m mixing it up with different actions that you can take, because I’ve learned over the last four years that you know, yeah, for me, writing into reality is really effective. But I’ve also learned there’s other ways you can take manifesting action and you can still manifest it.

Brandon Handley 37:18
Awesome. So what’s next for you in this journey?

Jaclyn Johnston 37:22
That’s a really good question. My podcast has been taking off so I’ve been collaborating with people who work in Hollywood and like some New York Times bestselling authors. So I’m going to continue doing the podcast it’s been fun for me and I have a fourth book that I’ve already written so I will get going on the editing with that and you know, I’m going to continue working in academia I really love it and I’m going to enjoy living in a whole new city and being with my boyfriend after you know being in a long distance relationship for the last four years. So I’m open to any and every blessing coming my way. And you know, every year I like to write out my goals for the year and then six months into it, I like to look at them mark off what I achieved and then start either modify that same list or start a whole new list and just be open to you know, things happening unexpectedly but in a good way because again, you either get what you want or something much better comes to you and it’s for you

Brandon Handley 38:39
nice no I love that I love that I was thinking the idea too that like if you didn’t get like one of those things that you really wanted like maybe that was the thing you were supposed to like you know that that it worked out correctly right like I always make the joke that like I’m glad I didn’t make a lot of money when I was younger because I probably would have like done some things and you know just wouldn’t worked out right like I probably would have done some stupid things right like i mean is that right fair enough fair enough. Well that’s like so gets this little part here where I just like to think about this podcast is kind of like this spiritual speed dating show right? Like somebody’s gonna show up and like I’m looking for my next spiritual they and Jacqueline you could be somebody who’s next spiritual date. Are you feeling up for a question or two? All right. Oh, come on what’s going on here so Bachelorette I know you’re not a real best spiritual Bachelorette. And maybe you are tied spiritually as well but just go with this right? Um,

do you ask enough questions, or do you settle for what? You know?

Jaclyn Johnston 39:54
I annoy people with all the questions I asked. Because I want to know why.

Brandon Handley 40:02
You go deep, you like to just keep asking you you like to keep asking.

Jaclyn Johnston 40:06
I’m a lot less talking a lot more action. So let’s just go to the why let’s just cut out the surface stuff.

Brandon Handley 40:14
Fair enough. Fair enough. What would you say is the biggest waste of human potential?

Jaclyn Johnston 40:22
That’s, that’s a very emotionally charged question for me, because I feel Honestly, I feel like the biggest waste is not being open to learning new ideas and new ways, because that’s again, your your own limit.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Yeah, the cellphone posters. So you’re saying like the self imposed limits? Just kind of murders? Yeah, for lack

Jaclyn Johnston 40:51
of a better way to use the analogy of, you know, there is no box, throw away the box. And I mean, I know it’s cliche, but I agree, there is no box.

Brandon Handley 41:03
Yeah, and that’s worked out for you, right? You’ve seen it, it’s showing up in your life. And that’s the way it living in life. And it’s working out, you know, working with actors, Hollywood, New York Times. That’s awesome. Right? So congratulations, like, on your journey. And just like kind of really stepping into it. And, you know, seeing it, I think that I think in for me anyways, I think the word is unfold, unfold has been like the best way to kind of hear people say it all the time. Like, you can go unfold, whatever, you know, but that’s how it just kind of happens, right? You start taking that action towards it. it unfolds in front of you. And like just the easiest sense of

Jaclyn Johnston 41:45
it. I had a I had a dog for 10 years, and he was my best friend. And he just passed away a couple weeks ago. And I thought to myself, Oh, my gosh, like, what am I gonna do? You know, I thought, Oh, that’s awful. I mean, it really is, has, it’s been really hard. And I’m not saying that because you master the law of attraction, you won’t go through hard things, we all go through hard things, because energy is constantly moving in all directions. So and that’s why success is not a one way direction or a one way street. But I thought, Oh my gosh, you know, my dog died. He was like, my security blanket. And, you know, I was feeling so lonely. And I thought, whoa, I mean, I, I’ve always wanted to bring my relationship with my sweet chemist, forward and more permanent, where we’re in the same city, and we’re living together. And he had a dog. And we always said, well, when our, when our pets are alive, we’re not going to do it. Because our pets were both really old. And, and then his dog died a couple months ago, and then my dog died. And I was just feeling so much loss. And I kept telling myself, you know, there’s a reason for this. And, and, like I said, you know, everything, just like quickly came together. I, the job I’m taking is a creative job. It’s a creative position. So I realized now that the reason why not saying that, you know, I would want my dog to die. But it was his time. He was old. And you know, he had cancer. So it was his time. But I realized now that the opportunity that has been placed before me to move across country, and to get a job that has higher pay, and be with my boyfriend every single day and move in together and all that, that, that is really and truly, it couldn’t have happened before because it would have just been too much with my sick dog. And it’s like we don’t understand in a moment, but then afterwards, we’re like, Hmm, okay, well, the puzzle pieces are coming together. Like you said, unfolding.

Brandon Handley 44:02
Yeah, no, at all, like the universe synchronized on your behalf. Right, and maybe not, in a way that and again, we don’t know how it’s gonna happen. Right? We just, you know, if we put faith in it happening for us, right, then then we don’t, that’s what we do. And then we step back. We’re like, all right, yeah. Show me what you got. Right? It’s

Jaclyn Johnston 44:25
not that it’s a say if you want to be a best selling author, it’s not that it

It can’t. You’re gonna have to read the book. Yeah. It may not happen overnight. Right.

Brandon Handley 45:09
Sure, for sure well Jacqueline this has been a pleasure thank you so much for showing up on where can I send people to find out more about you your books and your endeavors

awesome Jacqueline keep up doing what you’re doing I think a lot of people you know they need this and they need it from different people right? It’s like they’re not all gonna gravitate to the same person. And so you’ve got your crowd you’ve got your people you’ve got your audience that you speak to and a doing a tremendous job with this. So keep it up. Thank you so much what you’re doing.

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Brandon Handley 0:40
It is crucial dope. I’m on here today with Lisa s. Johnson. She is coming here to us by way of a guest you may or may not recall from the game here. with fresh Shaw, that’s how you and I connected Lisa and Lisa. She’s got a couple of really awesome books, guitar and books that she’s put on the winners on all about those two here in a second. And she also does a weekly Kundalini course on Instagram under cosmic 108. But this one should tell us a little bit about who you are. What made you feel a spiritual dove was is a place for you to be right now.

Lisa S Johnson 1:15
Well, hey, Brandon, thank you so much for having me on as a guest today. I really appreciate it. And it was really cool that we did meet through Paresh who I know through Kundalini Yoga, we went through Kundalini Yoga training together. And he’s also rock and rollers. So it was interesting that he and I really connected in class before we even know, we were both into rock and roll. So. So that’s how things weave together. And that brought me to you spiritual dope, which I love that name. Because it’s kind of telling of the times and connecting to the youth generation really, because to say spiritual dope, kind of, you know, get the younger person interested. And we can talk about things spirituality, and things that are going on in the world in more of a hipper way. So it’s really fun to take part in that. My background is that I come from a musical family in northern Canada, where I grew up until I was 23. And I was born in California, though, so I have my California roots until age seven, and then lived in Canada, then moved to Florida. And I ended up going to college for photography, which led me to a job for 10 years with the Eastman Kodak company. And I ended up living in Memphis, Tennessee, and going to the Unity Church. And my father growing up told me I was not allowed to date musicians. And so I he was a musician, so and still is. And so I was at the Unity Church picnic, and the guitar player from church asked me out on a date, and I accepted and we started dating. So I called my dad and said, Hey, Dad, I’m, I’m dating a musician. However, he is the guitar player at church, and he owns a vintage guitar store. And my dad being a guitar player said, Hey, if he ever gets in and gets a mandolin, I’ve always wanted one. And you know, he’s not a touring musician. So that doesn’t matter. You can you can date him. So that was the beginning of my photographing guitars, because my boyfriend then Hank said, I told him about this request of a vintage mandolin. And he got one in two weeks later, and I said, how much I want to buy that from my dad. And he said, You can’t afford it. But if you photograph some guitars, for me, I have to sell that I don’t want to sell, I’ll trade you for the mandolin. So that was it. And I photographed these amazing vintage guitars for him and I fell in love with my photography for the first time. So I really was drawn into photographing guitars in a spiritual way, because I was going to the Unity Church, which is a non denominational church and what attracted me too, it was that they would always read a passage out of Chicken Soup for the Soul, you know, Joseph Campbell, and, and, and they would relate it to a passage in the Bible. So it wasn’t you know, like this indoctrinated you know, where I grew up in the Catholic Church, you know, it was fun, at the end would always sing a song holding hands, the whole congregation, let there be peace on earth and let it begin with me. And so that was the beginning of my spiritual journey. And at that point, I was probably 2425 Ah, you know, and of course, my spiritual journey did begin when I grew up, I started in the Catholic Church. By the age of 14, I already realized that God was within me, that I didn’t need to go to church to be with God. And that gave me a lot of peace. And I always felt God with me and I’ve always prayed. But then when I found the Unity Church, I actually because it was more of a spiritual feeling. And I they had a bookstore there and I my first spiritual books that I bought was Wayne Dyer, and Louise Hay and Shaco Wayne. And these books really and you know, the first really spiritual book that I read before that even at 18 was thinking go Grow Rich, by Napoleon Hill. And if you read Shakti, Wayne’s creative visualizations, basically, it’s the same concept. You know, you, you are what you think, you know, what you speak manifests into reality. And that was Napoleon Hill’s whole premise. You know, if you think you’re going to be negative and talk negative all the time, that’s what you’re going to attract. And if you talk positive, and think positive and and visualize your goal, then that’s what’s going to manifest. And so this is how I’ve lived my life and manifest in my life since I was 18 years old. So just to conclude, I, I went to college for photography, and I ended up moving to New York City. And I got this job with Kodak. So I was in New York, and then Memphis. And

I ended up shooting those guitars in Memphis. And then I got sent back to New York. And I thought, if I’m going to shoot guitars, I may as well shoot famous ones. So Les Paul played every Monday night at the Iridium room in Manhattan, and I started going down there, and I eventually met him and he let me photograph his guitar. So that was the first famous guitar I photographed. And then 12 years later, he ended up writing the foreword for my first book, 108 rock star guitars. And then I ended up in a car crash in between all this and my neck got jacked. After, after I moved to Las Vegas from New York City. And that led me to a chiropractor who told me that Vikram yoga would be really good for me. And so I started taking their chrome yoga classes became a victim yoga teacher, studied yoga philosophy, read Autobiography of a Yogi, and it totally changed my life. And then, almost 20 years later, I was introduced to Kundalini Yoga. Through the modern day priestess training that I started that I, I took, I’m a modern day priestess as well. And we did Kundalini Yoga every day. So that’s how I ended up in the Kundalini, cosmic 108 Saturday morning classes to share the yoga technology and the tools of yoga to help us previously, just in regular times, but now especially even more in these really trying times on the planet.

Brandon Handley 7:25
of the story, I love the journey that you know, I mean, first time, Ed, a musician, of course, is when the dad says no. Right? And that’s the that’s right. There’s your proven out of principle, right out of thinking Grow Rich, like whatever you focus on what manifests sure very. So you know, he’s focused on for you was what manifested for you. So he played a part in that. And that, you know, the journey towards photography and photographing these these guitars, right, and cars is going for it. Just saying this is this is what kind of sets my soul on fire, and looking for ways to make that happen. Exact so cool. Yeah. So thanks. Thanks for the background. Right. So what I like to start this off with is the idea that, hey, we’re all spiritual beings. Right? And that source speaks through us right now I sources speaking through you, to me, to somebody on the other end, that is listening to this podcast today. What is something what’s a message that can only be delivered through you to that person today?

Lisa S Johnson 8:38
Okay, well, I’m just going to go with what channels right through instantly, that’s where you got to go. And so mine is via channel, B channel. So ask your higher guides, or whatever God is for you, make me a channel of a higher will. This is how we received the messages from the universe and from our guides and angels, through our, our cosmic antenna, our auric field, which the ark line is a part of our bigger auric field. And so the ark line is the seventh body of consciousness that we have out of 10 light bodies of consciousness, the 3d body, the gross body, that’s only one body, we have seven additional. So the Arc Line is, is the seventh body. And it’s the way that we send and receive signals to each other, that can be sent even over vast spaces of time, you know, for one country or area or planet to another. And it’s important to keep your antenna clean and clear. If it’s dirty, it’s got a lot of static in there. You can’t send your signal and you can’t receive signals. So that means I’m not communicating effectively or I can’t receive others communications effectively. So this is one of the reasons why we do spiritual work meditation and movements. So that we can clean and clear all of our bodies, including that that radar antenna, the Arc Line. So that is how I would channel something that no one else could receive from any other place other than through me, because I’m sending it through my Arc Line through my channel to your listeners right now. And I have often asked my guys make me a channel of a higher will, so that I can hear and see the unseen.

Brandon Handley 10:32
What is Oh, I think that’s fantastic. open yourself up to be a channel to begin with, say, Make me your channel, allow me to be a channel. I’ve been trying to do this whole thing myself this entire time. What else kind of let it flow through me? What’s a way that we can clear tailor my sales of this? Boy, how do I clean my sale?

Lisa S Johnson 11:00
It’s easier than you think. I mean, people say I can’t meditate. Oh, I can never meditate. Okay, so yes, everyone can meditate. And everyone can clear their channel. And here’s how. First of all, you can sit and you have to make meditation, super simple and easy, especially in the beginning. And while you’re meditating, you’re cleaning your arclight. Okay, so this is the same answer for both things. So first of all, you sit and we you invoke you do an invocation to clear the space, stage yourself, you know, stage the room with Palo Santo or stage what happens. Then you do an invocation, bringing in your guides and teachers, and then you do movements. So for example, one way to clear your Arc Line, your antenna is inhaling and turning your head to the left, and exhale and turning your head to the right, because that’s cleaning and clearing the space right in front of your face and to the left into the right. And then if you tuck your chin into your chest, you rotate your head around a big neck circles. This is cleaning the Arc Line, you’re going in a circle and it’s clean exactly that area in your in your Arc Line in your auric fields. Then we use breathwork inclusively, you know a lot of deep inhaling, exhaling or rectifier pumping the belly and equal pumps. And this is distributing energy in the body and sending your Kundalini energy from the base of your spine, all the way up to the top of your crown chakra. So all of your chakras are getting a burst of energy as you’re pumping the belly in. So and then you quiet the mind you do the work, the movement opens the body and allows you to sit in meditation and be more calm. And still, even when you’re super calm. You can close your eyes, look into your third eye center, your sixth chakra, and that that stimulates activates your pineal gland, which is your your tool your gland for extrasensory perceptions, and how we can learn to connect and with our subtle body with using extrasensory perception so we can feel energy around us more we can hear what someone is saying without them actually saying it. And all of this clears your archive and your intent just to very quickly, you know, give you a summary of how you how you clear it. So it’s through breath movement, meditation.

Brandon Handley 13:29
That’s great. So you got a twofer there. Alright, you can do a little bit a little bit of both at the same time. One thing that definitely has been hugely impactful for me this past year has definitely been the breathwork. And it sounds like that’s a big part of Kundalini Yoga. We’re a couple that with Autobiography of a Yogi, right, is this Kundalini Yoga? associated? Specifically with like I was at the Southeast Asia foundation. Yeah. Through. You went through the priestess

Lisa S Johnson 14:05
training? I did. Yes. So, Yogi, paramahansa Yogananda. He was a Kriya. Yogi. So that’s what we do include aleni we do Kriya Yoga. And that means that we do yoga postures from the 84 Classic asanas that Austin as is of your means yoga posture, we do we pull from there. And on top of that, we also always use mantra, meditation mudras. We use our our throat or our throat. To every class, we incorporate these aspects. And this is called Kriya Yoga. So guys like guru Singh, who’s been a longtime kodaline Teacher, he also come through lineage of Yogananda, and so to why so I really kind of relate to him in that way. So we’re doing Kriya Yoga. But the thing about Kundalini that makes it more advanced is that it’s really teaching the science of yoga, and yoga as a technology as tools that we use for self healing. First, we heal the self, then we can heal others, and we heal others through our energetic field. So as we amplify and expand our electromagnetic frequency, through the movement, and the meditation and the breathwork, and all that, we’re expanding our electromagnetic field and our auric field gets bigger and brighter and stronger, and more radiant, and more attractive to other people. And it then it starts to just attract all the right people to and it spells all the negative stuff out. And then there’s no room for any negative anymore. So even when the worst shit is flying around this planet, right now, you can learn and use these tools to be able to stay calm, in the midst of this chaos that we’re in and send your light out in every direction. super big and super powerful. And when we sit and meditate, especially on full moons, and new moons, because these are the the doors of the portals of the planets when the planets line up when the Moon and the Sun and Earth are lining up. And they’re lining up with other stars that happen throughout the year. These create portals, we just had the big Lionsgate portal on August 8. And this is a time when energy frequency and vibration funnels into the planet and upward levels, our DNA and our our electromagnetic frequency and our ESP and our overall consciousness on the planet. So right now, we’re going through hell. But we’re going through hell to get to heaven. Because heavens on the way. And it’s on the way, and I know it is because I study the yugas. And that’s what Yogananda used to teach the yugas and his his teacher Shri you test guar. He’s the one who wrote the book, the science of yoga, and he speaks all about the yoga so we can get into that if you’d like it’s just one of my favorite topics.

Brandon Handley 17:18
Well, yeah, I mean, we absolutely get into that we have a lot. I love the concept. And I think I remember like, first of all, you know, Autobiography of a Yogi, what a great book write a really, really great book, fun to read. And so it was like being on that adventure with them as as he kind of goes through his life. And then I think he did talk about it. Did he talk about yoga technology, and there are not likely to finish it up with that.

Lisa S Johnson 17:47
Remember, you remember him specifically saying yoga as a technology? But I bet he did. Because you shriek test suar he saw I’m sure the technology because of these. The the chart of the yoga is that he created and I mean, they they knew the science of yoga. So

Brandon Handley 18:07
Oh, yeah, that’s, that’s not new to that. No, it’s not it’s not new to them. And by that, I mean, like, the whole Indian

Lisa S Johnson 18:16
culture, and just like how people are way more advanced than us. 100%

Brandon Handley 18:20
I mean, look, I mean, we’re, I mean, we’re like crawling, right? And in terms of like, our just general conscious capabilities. That’s my thing. Right? I just kind of where we are in terms of, of civilization like that. It’s really learn how to as you I think you talked a little bit about harnessing your mind right, and just really getting in there. So you also need to talk about these portals. I want to just hit on. I love Lionsgate, right. Just just I love Lionsgate portal, mostly because of the memes and the social media that come along with it because it’s very entertaining. But I think it also offers like, you know, through through the entertainment edutainment, right like it’s so opens that up to somebody even if they laugh at it or joka. Like it becomes a seed somewhere. Right. So, what tell us a little bit about more, right if I was about Lionsgate Okay, we’ll talk about that. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

Lisa S Johnson 19:24
Well, there is a star named Sirius. I’m sure you’re aware of it most. Everybody knows about the star Sirius. It’s also called the dog star. And it is the brightest star in the sky. It’s the North Star. So the Sirius star in August from July 26 to August 12. The dog star begins to rise in the morning with our son. So there’s two suns in the sky. So you may have seen recently a lot of photos with two suns in the sky and people are going What’s up, there’s two sons. Well, this happens every year because the Sirius star is rising with the sun. So that is in alignment of Sirius that is supposedly a planet where the Syrians come from. And they that planet Sirius is aligned now with our sun, which is aligned with our Earth. So that is creating a shaft, a portal, it’s going straight through to planet earth, showering the planet earth with that energy frequency and vibration. What was really extra special this year was that we have the new moon exactly in the path. So with serious sun, moon, earth, so this was especially powerful. Just like on the new moon and the full moon, those are especially powerful times and for us to set intentions. So that’s why we do new moon and full moon intention setting and clearings. So, in on top of this, the Sirius star is in alignment with Orion’s belt that has three stars. And those three stars were aligned with the tip the points of the three pyramids in Giza. So, I mean, why were the pyramids built? Who built the pyramids? You know, did they build them exactly to line up with, you know, Stargate Ryan, you know, was that how serious came in and maybe maybe people for, you know, whatever you want to call them, aliens. Other other types of beings came down, and were able to access Planet Earth, and maybe they that’s how, you know, when we when we send the shuttle off, for spaceships off, it has to coincide in line with, you know, the planets and things moving around in the sky. So it’s the same thing, if another entity wants to come on a spaceship to Earth, maybe there has to be certain portals that takes for them to come down. And maybe that’s why the pyramids are pointing up to those three stars. So that’s what happened on August 8, so July 26, to August 12. That is the portal opening and closing. So begins just like you see, you know, the moon, the moon slowly going from full moon to you know, New Moon, we have that energy shift as well, during that date, but August 8 is the apex of that alignment and the most powerful day. So that’s where everyone does a ceremony on August 8, but we really do the work from July 26, all the way through to August 12. To get that full, you know, you can utilize the energy, this is what we have to use to upgrade our consciousness, we need to utilize these tools that are given given to us by God really through the makeup of our cosma cosmos, we’re really need to utilize the tools which we’ve forgotten to use because they’ve dumped us down with freaking TV with even Disneyland. I mean, it’s the dumbing down of our society. I mean, they just finished some state just passed the law that you don’t have to be able to know math or read to pass your high school examination. Really. And there’s there’s no lot of modesty anymore. Every album cover every every video, you see, it’s just people wearing hardly anything. It looks super hot and sexy. Hey, yeah, I get it. I see it. But it’s not. It’s not serving our youth culture. They’re growing up thinking what do you want to be when you grow up? Oh, I want to be a rock star.

Brandon Handley 23:40
Well, I always I always make that joke. My own joke anyways about like tipper gore and our board back in the day, right? When they were trying to you know, kind of pull back some like to live crew and and all those other albums. But this isn’t really this isn’t benefiting anybody. And then it was a freedom of expression man and you know, but really, it’s a you know, there’s this interjection right injection of just kind of like this, this continues to type and this this. Why would we encourage

Lisa S Johnson 24:20
that? Well, it starts to encourage disrespect or kind of a lack of respect. I think it’s

Brandon Handley 24:29
respect even. Yeah,

Lisa S Johnson 24:31
I mean, talk to any kids today about dating, and how to date I mean, it’s dating online, they meet online or, and what do they do? They share pictures back and forth. And you know, how many pictures and how kinds what kind of pictures you know, and languaging that goes on online and just the music I mean, last year, the Best Song of the Year, was, like the most vocal vulgar title ever like I can’t even I can’t even think of what it is right now. But it’s like really bad.

Brandon Handley 25:07
Is it that cardi B song? Like fat or something like that? Alright. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it’s interesting where that’s, that’s, I agree, right? It’s kinda like was, was that gonna be enough? But anyways? Look, it is what it is, in that regard.

Lisa S Johnson 25:29
I’m gonna have to change, things are gonna have to change because I believe you’re right, you’re breaking down the morality of our whole society. And, hey, pick up my boxers. You can see one of them there. Yep.

Brandon Handley 25:45
But I’m just like you were saying earlier? Do you see like kind of having on the horizon? Right? Are you seeing a change and a shift in consciousness yourself?

Lisa S Johnson 25:55
I am. And I’m hopeful. Because even though things don’t seem like they’re elevating, I see a lot of things changing. I haven’t see a lot of people doing yoga. I mean, of course, I’ve been in I’ve been doing yoga and teaching yoga for 20 years now. And the yoga community is a billion dollars, something like a $70 billion business. So there’s a lot of people doing yoga, and even if they’re not doing meditation, it’s the precursor to meditation. Because doing the movement of yoga, if you’re going to Chaga class or, you know, Bikram yoga class or vinyasa of some kind, what have you, you’re going through the motions, you’re doing the physical aspect, just know that that’s only one aspect of doing your. So But yeah, I think a lot of people are doing yoga, and that is helping them to find some sense of their body, feeling their body and feeling their extrasensory perceptions. And that over in time is going to lead people to self inquiry. And if that self inquiry expands your consciousness, and we learn how to deal with ourselves and calm ourselves, and then we can learn to deal with the next person in our family, or brother or sister or spouse, whatever, we get to practice every day, the tools of yoga, being patient and compassionate and just with not only with other people, but with yourself. And that transcends to when you go to the grocery store and working with that person at the slow with the tail, and you’re in a hurry. And, you know, trying to deal with that emotions, the emotions and the irritation that you have, and, or, you know, watching the news, and you know, seeing the world being Polaroid rise right now. And just learning how to look at it on a macro level. So you don’t get all caught up in the details in the micro level in your world and allow it to upset your world and upset your body and upset your body to a point of this discomfort and disease and disease. And, and, you know, I think that’s been happening on our planet for a long time. And we’re we’ve got a disease on this planet right now. We’re really diseased in more ways than one being personified by a disease COVID right now. And we’re polarized on that subject, too. So it could help. We’re going to help us through all of that and get to the other side.

Brandon Handley 28:30
That’s the cleaner. Yeah. The antenna cleaner. Yeah, that’s it right. And get it all get it all situated. I mean, you got to start somewhere. And I think that it’s impressive to see just how fast Yoga has taken into the US. Right. And it’s been growing, I think at a fairly rapid clip. Understanding is my real low level understanding since I’ve been in the States, you know, since around 1900, or when whenever Yogananda came over, give or take, yeah, correct. Yeah. Now, I want to use HostIn while you were talking about the serious story, he talks about the Syrians. Was that like, you know, what he’s saying there?

Lisa S Johnson 29:15
Well, there’s no way that we are the only intelligent and living life in the entire cosmos in the entire Milky Way. Galaxy number one, and then there’s something like 100 million, probably infinite number of galaxies, and then every galaxy has like 500 billion stars. I mean, there’s just no way we’re the only living I mean, at one point dinosaurs rule for planet Earth. Reptiles that didn’t speak English that look pretty freakin scary. So there could be, you know, the Draco’s, they say is if species. They look like lizards or what have you, and they might just come down on the earth. That would be kind of scary. They might eat people we don’t really know. Do I believe they’re Pleiadians? Yeah, I do. I think that’s a star. And I do think that there are living entities there and why maybe they’re the ones coming down here and doing this crop circles, because the crop circles are a, I believe a phenomenon of UFO within me difficult. You’ve seen recordings of the little white balls that fly around and suddenly and, you know, very quick speed of lightning time, there’s this amazing geometrical, perfectly mathematical structure that humans can do. They tried in the middle of the night to do it in the middle. And you know, there’s no way I mean, it doesn’t it’s not a sophisticated and they can tell the difference of the grass. So why they haven’t been able to help us out a little bit more? I think because we have to help ourselves out of it. Because otherwise, how is our consciousness going to change, like, what we’re trying to get off this planet, so we can just develop another planet and kill the all life on that planet to? Like, you know, I think that we’re, we’ve shot down spacecraft, they need to be careful about how they make any approach into they have to get us to where we’re more friendly, and willing to accept them. I understand as well, that there are our races that are already living on the planet Earth, and they’ve been living in the middle of the earth. And you know, the earth could be hollow. You know, if you look at, if you look at the toric field, a Taurus, it’s a circular motion, and it’s hollow in the middle, isn’t it? So the energy can go around what’s what isn’t there a hole at the top of Antarctica and the bottom of the Northwest Territories, you know, the top and the bottom of the earth? The note?

Brandon Handley 31:52
No, I feel like that’s a Google that. So that leads us

Lisa S Johnson 31:56
to Google Google, Richard bird. Richard bird was a captain and he was up in Antarctica time. And he went on a plane ride. And he got diverted, and he ended up somewhere in Shangri La. And he wrote about it, and he was forbidden to talk about it while he was still in the army. And when he died, his journal revealed it. So there could be something in the center of the earth. And there certainly are other intelligent beings in our soul, our solar in our, in our galaxy, the Milky Way galaxy, and in other galaxies beyond probably the infinite number of planets with living beings.

Brandon Handley 32:36
For sure, I agree. I just want to make sure I caught that, you know. And then last thing he talks about was outside of our gross body, right? Key share a little bit more about that.

Lisa S Johnson 32:51
Sure. Okay, so the gross body, that’s the three dimensional body in which we live, it’s our vessel is what we came into we birthed into through the top of our head, they say we have the soft spot in your head, that’s where your soul enters. That’s called the Vindu the sarga. And when we meditate, we can connect with that and actually drip the nectar into the brain and through the body. And one of the things that the breathwork does is helps to hold that nectar in the throat chakra by pumping the the energy up to the top of the crown and keeps that energy here and that helps you to heighten your awareness and your cosmic consciousness. We are we also have, we have 10 bodies of like consciousness. So the first body is your soul. That’s the soul body that that comes in through you. It’s the heart, it’s what speaks to you, it’s your inner voice, your soul body, then you have three minds, there’s the positive mind that weighs the positive things that are around you in a situation so you have to weigh out is this a good thing? Or is it a bad thing? So that so it tells you that it’s a bad thing is the negative mind see the positive mind telling you good things, the negative mind telling you Beware, beware danger danger. And then the fourth body is your neutral mind which is your third eye where it takes the positive and the negative aspects of any situation and weighs them within nine seconds, your your third eye, your fourth body, your neutral mind makes a decision and it will make it if you are clean and clear in your neutral mind through meditation. That’s how you clean and clear it. You got to meditate. You can make an accurate decision within nine seconds. Then the fifth body that’s that’s your physical body. That’s your 3d. Then you’ve got your your sixth body, which this is going to be your your breath because you got to breathe, you got your product body, your lifeforce, then your your seventh body, we have the our climb your auric field. Then you have your rain. To hit body, that’s the 10th body. And you have the nice body is the subtle body. And this is the one that helps you to give and receive with the subtle mind and the subtle, subtle body without thinking or saying, without saying anything out loud, you can utilize your subtle energy, you can will your will to, for that person to move a little to the left, so that I can see the guitar player on the stage better, right? You just like you’re driving down the road, and somebody’s going way too freakin slow. And you’re just like Dude, to the right. And then they go through flicker goes on and they move into the right hand lane. This is willing your will through your cell body and speaking your language with your attendants all in unison. So when all of those 10 bodies are balanced, that means your shoppers are going to be balanced too. And then there’s an 11th body and it’s called parallel use in this and that’s what all 10 bodies are aligned. And so my my my neutral mind, where I’ve made that decision that I want that guy to move to the right works with my subtle body, willing my will and energetically telling him to move and my Arc Line going VPP radar reader reader out you go Whoo, bro. xover. Or I go, you know, I need to call Nancy, I just keep forgetting to call her that I looked down on my phone A minute later, there’s Nancy calling. Like, this is how it works. When you’re in the nod which crash always is talking about, you know, I’m in the NA, you’ll call me up with these stories, you know how something happened. And that’s what that is being in the flow. As you said earlier,

Brandon Handley 36:35
your flow state, I think there’s an ease with with all that can happen if you allow for it. To write sounds like to me, once you’ve got these things in alignment, and you allow for it to happen, it happens with ease, actually, these things only happen. Well, they don’t only happen when you’re in an ease state, but they’re less likely to happen when you’re deceased. Right. And so there’s like this forest, and there’s a out of balance of, I guess all of these bodies, I’ve never heard them all. So it’s visually great to hear that and thanks for sharing that. But uh, you know, once you have these in alignment, things you begin to live in a state of ease would be my guess

Lisa S Johnson 37:23
you don’t have to do anything anymore. You don’t have to do, you just set your intention, and the portals are open, and it flows in. So you don’t have to struggle, I got to get this new job, or I have to, you know, I need more of this or that or the next thing. It’s just all comes flowing in, in divine timing, one of my favorite Montt affirmations that I’ve been working with for the last couple of years, and it’s so powerful, kind of like preamps, anything else, it’s, I am aligned with the highest expression of my future now. So the now is bringing it into the now into the present moment right now, not yesterday, not today, not tomorrow, it’s like right now. And I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future, in all ways. So in my relationships, and my health and my finances, in my career, I’m aligned with the highest expression for my future now. So what’s best for my future is what I’m what I need to align with. And I’m aligned, I’m telling myself, I’m aligned with the highest expression. So I don’t have to say, other mantras and other affirmations that say, I now have the right amount of finances in my bank, I now have the perfect publisher, I now have like, that’s a good way for moon ceremonies and something to write it like that. And I’ve just eliminated the need to have to do that on a daily basis. Because I used to say in the mirror doing near meditations, I used to say in the mirror, my mom long list of, of affirmations, and now I just say I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future now. It’s all done.

Brandon Handley 39:07
So right, this is kind of the end in mind, right now. And if you’ve got that end in mind, right now, then all those other sub things take care of themselves. Right? You don’t need that long list, because like, you wouldn’t have this one statement. If the rest of these underneath of it. Were kind of already done and

Lisa S Johnson 39:30
working. Yeah. And you know, I do that with the planet Earth too. I do say that our planet Earth is aligned with the highest expression of its future now. So that’s my greatest prayer for the planet. And when you say that things in the energetic field start to align. And that’s what I love about sacred geometry. I actually brought a couple pieces. This is the this is the flower of life. Most people know the flower of life and this is the blueprint of creation. And within it are all the platonic solids. And like the 64 tetrahedron, you can’t really tell. But this actually, when they when you invert the flower of life into a three dimensional, it’s, it looks like this, it’s there 64 triangles, which there are here in here. And then, you know, Megatron fits into the flower of life as well, which is all different. You can’t really see the triangles, but they’re in there, the tetrahedrons made up of 13 Circle points. And so if you meditate on these, this is metal strong, the triangle pointing up and down. And then there’s one that’s pointing back or forward, depending if you’re male or female. And this is your your meta Tron or your merkabah, the light spirit vehicle. So you asked about the 3d body, or 3d bodies, our vehicle, it’s how we move from A to B and move around the planet. But we can also move it when we’re meditating and spiritually and go into the cosmos. And this is actually three dimensional and it spins. So this is only a one dimensional, but it actually is a three dimensional and it spends. So if we look at these sacred geometries, which can also be referred to as a Yantra, with a geometrical line shape, and if I meditate on if I look at it straight ahead, and then I close my eyes, I’m going to see the imprint of this flower of life in my mind’s eye. And then that imprints it on to me on a cellular level, it all goes in that implantation goes into me on a cellular level, all my cell cells get a burst of that. That light of the of the sacred geometry, whether it’s the Firefly for the Sri entre is my favorite one is the entre for manifestation. And so this is how we get it into us on a cellular level. And this is what they’ve been doing with TV manipulating us forever, you know, with symbols and signs, and you see that and it goes into our consciousness. And then we get, you

Brandon Handley 42:05
know, what’s in there? Yeah, yeah, but we

Lisa S Johnson 42:09
can change it, we can restructure the geometry, and launch

Brandon Handley 42:13
sacred geometry monitors, meditation, taking your attention off of those things, right, that you allow them for so long, and realizing that they’re already there. And it’s like a garden or some weeding today, right? Yeah. That one’s that one’s there. We got it. And it’s still you know, sometimes like, just like in a garden, you feel like you got all the all the weeds out. But like, you know, you come back with the next day, like, I swear to God, I pulled that thing. Right, it’s still there.

Lisa S Johnson 42:43
analogy I know, and then you get to practice. Oh, you know, let me fix that. You know, but that’s the start of being aware and consciousness because you’ve become aware and conscious of it, and then you change it the next time, just like, you don’t beat yourself up. If you get into an argument with your partner, you know, or yell at somebody, then you gotta hurry up, I really was kind of out of line there. Now, I’ll get another opportunity to practice that in the next time, I’ll do better. So you don’t beat yourself up.

Brandon Handley 43:09
That’s in alignment with the two arrows and Buddhism, right? We talked about the first arrows, that’s already there. The second arrow is the one that you deliver yourself. Right? Like, kind of jerk was if you can eliminate it just by the example you just gave. So I think that’s a great example. I wanted to go real quick back to two pieces here. First of all, you know, I love your, your, your mantra, slash affirmation, slash prayer, because you pronounce it more like a command, then I’ll request is that intentional? Or is that just how you are with it?

Lisa S Johnson 43:51
I guess that’s just how I am with it. I didn’t notice that. I said, it’s more as a command. Well, the affirmation I definitely say as a command. Is that what you mean? I’m aligned with the highest expression of my future now? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 44:05
Absolutely. If I don’t get I feel like if I’m not getting in line with that, I might actually get in trouble.

Lisa S Johnson 44:10
Yeah, so I’m telling the universe. Hey, all right. Right. Up here.

Brandon Handley 44:16
So that’s also alignment with Um, I don’t know if you ever listened to or read Blaine hills? devil Book Three. Oh, no. So he’s got one that like was released, like post mortem and even to release it was kind of like, don’t do that. And basically, it’s talking to the devil, whatever. But and that was talking to him, like how do you talk to what’s in versus like, don’t ask for it, you command it, you demand it right? Like that’s yours by like, you know, the vine right and also other stuff. So as I was just curious, kind of where the command part was coming from. Definitely.

Lisa S Johnson 44:55
Also comes from my teaching with the chrome choudry because I studied For many years, he was my first yoga teacher. And he Bikram yoga class is very commanding. So you’ve got to get bodies to move in unison. You want everyone moving together and flowing together in a in a Bikram yoga class. And then it’s really a moving meditation. Everyone’s flowing together. And it’s beautiful breathing together. And to get people to move together, you have to be really commanding arms over your head, interlock your fingers, release your index finger stumps cross, no weight in your heels, hips forward, upper body back, no gap between biceps, arms and ears inhales. So long stretch up hold. And then do your right hand side. Like you have to talk like that, to get them to freakin do it on time with you. Then when it comes to Kundalini, we do mantra, and it’s different. It’s not commanding, it’s it’s very calming. And like, for example, like I just wanted, I loved your analogy about you know, planting the seeds and growing because there’s a meditation that I’m actually doing right now we practice. I’m in my fourth level two training out of five modules. So I’ll be a level two Kundalini trading teacher soon. And would they require us to do a 90 day meditation. So you know, it’s a challenge, every day you have to meditate is a 30 minute meditation, it’s not three minutes, five minutes, 11 minutes, you know, it’s 30 minutes that you have to sit and take out if your day doesn’t seem like very long, but sometimes it it seems like a long time in the day taking that 30 minutes out anyway, you. It’s a commitment, and it gets you to, you get to where you would miss doing a meditation if you didn’t do it. So that’s good, because you really want to meditate every day in twice a day, if possible. But then you just get to where you’re meditating all the time you’re driving, you’re meditating, we can always be meditating in the background, because we do the mantra, and the mantra becomes like that, you know, you get that song song stuck in your head. That’s what happens when you’re doing a mantra every single day. And the one that I’m doing right now is a three part.

Meditation for 90 minutes. There’s a mudra involved where you interlock your to you put your both hands and Gyan Mudra, which is the thumb and index finger touching, which is the seal of knowledge, the Seal of consciousness, and you interlock them, which now makes sacred geometry the vesica Pisces. So I really love this part of having this as a sacred geometry mudra then there’s three mantras. The first one is bond bond, and this one is invoking the Divine Mother, this the spiritual mother, the Adi Shakti, the creator. And then we move into the second mantra, which is don don ROM das guru. And this one is all about making the impossible possible. It’s called crossing the crisis. So the world’s in crisis right now. So that’s why I’m doing this meditation. So we’re recreating with the vesica Pisces, this is the symbol of creation, the vesica Pisces so we’re creating a new world. So the second mantra is all about making the impossible become possible through miracles and believing in miracles. We see miracles every day. And the more I do this mantra, I’m seeing miracles happen right before my very eyes all the time. It’s amazing. Okay, and then the third mantra is heart Hooray, howdy. Which means planting the seed, watching the flow of planting the seed of infinite creativity. Hari Hari Hari Hari is watching the flow of creativity. parkeri hari is manifesting that creativity. And how can a Petit WaheGuru WaheGuru is wow, and being taken from the darkness into the night that light that’s what a guru is goo is the dark room with the light. So why he is wow, I’m being taken from the dark into the light Waheguru and I’m watching the beautiful process of how everything is unfolding from the seeding of planting to the flow of the growing of the creation to the manifestation and to the final harvest. So that’s where we’re at right now on the planet and and everybody that’s meditating everybody who’s doing yoga, they’re planting these the seeds of a new world. Not a new world order, bro, a new world Love and Light and peace and truth and higher consciousness and compassion for each other without any kind of division, you know, just acceptance of each other, knowing the truth of what is right what is wrong so that we are in right relationship and doing right action for ourselves and for our planet and animal kingdom. And when we can find that balance, which I believe that we will because I was talking earlier a little bit about shriek Heswall, he wrote the cycles of consciousness, we have what’s called the yugas. And it takes the 26,000 year cycle for a for a full Yuga that goes from the Iron Age, Silver Age, the Bronze Age and the Golden Age. And that’s the Age of Enlightenment. And so we have come out of the Kali age and have entered into the the Bronze Age, which is the dwapara Yuga. And that’s where we are right now. And we are on the A sending part of that. So the you guys have a 13,000 year, a sending cycle and a 13,000 year descending cycle. So it takes 26,000 years. So we’re on a sending we’ve come out of the dark ages, we’ve come out of a really dense low level consciousness area. And now there’s we’re only going to go up now, but like a friend of mine says, gorgeous Sufi he’s he’s someone you might want to interview some time gone just Sufi, he’s cool. He’s a recording artists you can check out I’ll send you a link to some of yours. He says you could go through hell to get to have so for sure are in hell right now, but on our way to happen.

Brandon Handley 51:12
For sure, for sure. And I think that I think that we’re in an accelerated accelerated pace. So we’re gonna plug in real quick here, you know, cosmic wantaway on Instagram. Sounds like she might know her stuff a little bit on some yoga and and some of the background and sacred geometry. So I know that that’s something I wanted to get more into with you. And I don’t think we’re gonna have time for that. But I do want to call out the fact that I believe you got some sacred geometry intertwined on some of your book covers, if I’m not mistaken, and you want to toss out, you know, what about what is it about cosmic one away and let’s share a little bit about the book so that we can

Lisa S Johnson 51:52
have, okay, so I have two books, the first one came out called 108, rock star guitars. And when you when you first look at the cover, it’s, it’s it doesn’t have a guitar on the cover, it has motifs of guitars on it, and like a guitar headstocks and guitar bodies and but it looks it’s all formed in the shape of a lotus flower. And it’s all intertwined with the number 108, which totals nine in numerology, one plus zero plus eight. So there are nine, guitar headstocks to go around the flower petals, and around the circumference of the book. And when you first open up the book, the Sri Yantra sacred geometry artwork is inside of it. And it asks the question, why 108 and then I get to infuse the spiritual cosmic message of the number 108 and yoga philosophy. because music is spiritual, you know, music can take you to Nirvana. So I wanted to invoke that cosmic philosophy of 108 into the book. So that’s 108 rock star guitars. And now on September 28th, this year, my new book called immortal axes will be coming out. And the cover is similar. It’s no guitar on the cover, but there’s a skull that has the vesica Pisces sacred geometry in his forehead in the third eye. And his eyes are made up of the diamond inlay headstock on a Gibson Guitar. And that’s going around in his eyes and his nose is an upside down Flying V. And then he’s surrounded by little guitar bodies with gold. They’re all laid and gold sparkles. You know, it’s very sparkly, and it’s called immortal axes. Because when a musician makes music, he makes it on that wire and wood and that memory of that work is embedded in that wire and wood. And when the artist passes on, the guitar still is holding the notes and holding that music within it. And so that’s immortalizing the song memorializing that artists, just like the song itself when it’s recorded immortalizes the artists so there are about 47 artists in this book that have passed away. There’s 157 artists featured in this book including David Gilmore’s $4 million black strap that just sold and Rory Gallagher’s Fender super famous Fender Pete Townsend’s number nine Les Paul is in this in this book. Peter Frampton wrote the foreword and Suzi quatro wrote the afterword, some very, very happy to present this book to the world and hope that people enjoy it as much as I can as much as as much fun with as I have photographing it traveling around the world.

Brandon Handley 54:46
So one thing you know, for the people that are listening, and don’t get the chance to see the pictures and the artwork and the artworks amazing on these these covers, and I love what we were talking I love it for seen pictures but hadn’t seen the hadn’t seen it in somebody’s hands. Book and somebody says the book is large. What’s the dimensions on

Lisa S Johnson 55:11
108 rocks in our guitars weighs about nine pounds. And it’s let’s see, 11 inches by 13 is that you know, a and then the second book is a square book it’s 11 and a quarter I think by 11 and a quarter plus the the rock star of the cars one is a red leather leather rat, press press leather rat and this immortal axes is a black cover with gold and silver sparkling motifs on it have guitar motifs on it.

Brandon Handley 55:51
I think the artwork is so cool. And I think anybody would anybody into guitars Classic Rock, rock and roll this face would be you know, this would be such trying to sell. This would be like such a new gift. Something so cool. I love what you’ve done with it. Give me like one story of like maybe the most challenging guitar to get to, or like the one that you felt like, was like the pinnacle for you.

Lisa S Johnson 56:16
Yeah, well, one of them I have to say is Joan Jett, because you know she’s a woman and rock and she rocks really hard and she’s paved the way for a lot of women in music. Before even her there was Suzi quatro, Suzi quatro actually paved the way for Joan Jett. And Joan will will say that it was really hard to get to Joan. She’s not super happy to have a lot of photographers around. And so I think that was one of the issues that I kept requesting. And they just, they don’t really have photographers around, and I usually shoot before after shows. So I finally was getting finished with this book. And I really want to Joan and I’ve asked several times, because for me, she’s the most important woman to have in the book and as a female artist, because she influenced so many. And of course, Suzi quatro, she wrote the the afterword for the book, so I’m just so important to mean, and so amazing that she did that. But finally, I was rounding up, I was just finishing the book, and I really wanted Joan. And I just couldn’t not not have Joan. And so I finally realized, you know, I’ve worked with the heart Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for so many photoshoots and I was there doing a shoot, I think it was it was before the David Gilmore shoot Anyway, it was one of the shoots. And I said, by chance do you guys happen to have a Joan Jett guitar? In the rock hall? And they said, Well, well, yes, we do, actually. And so then I realized, you know, I’m just gonna find out if they’ll let me photograph the guitar. They don’t have to do B here. It’s not before after a show. And so we went back to them and said, Hey, you know, how about just let me photograph the guitar that’s at the rock Hall. And she’ll do the rest. She’ll make all the arrangements. And they said, Yes. So it’s

Brandon Handley 58:07
very cool. I just want to give the idea to that. This is a kind of like a life that you follow your bliss, kind of thing. Right? You followed your kind of journey followed your heart, and does this production is a display of that.

Lisa S Johnson 58:26
Yeah, it wasn’t easy. I have insecurities just like anyone else. And you know, when you’re putting your neck out there for yourself, like, you know, I’m a photographer, and this is my work. You’re putting your soul out on the line, you’re showing your photos and it’s something that you like, it may not be that somebody else likes, you know, so you you get a lot of nose. I’ve had to hear no, a lot. And then I’ve had a lot of yeses, and I’ve had way more yeses than I’ve had knows. And it was because of perseverance and just not taking no for an answer. I mean, I asked, had to ask Billy Givens people many, many times until I finally met him under the stage at Rolling Stones concert and said, Hey, Billy ever trying to get through to you, you know, and then the next time I requested I got a yes. So and then just saying, like, I don’t have Mark Knopfler yet. And he’s one of my all time favorite guitar players in the world ever, ever, ever. And I’m not going to give up on Mark even though they’ve told me no. They’ve said no. Many times.

Brandon Handley 59:30
Hold now for what’s your now for so I think the story is great. I love I love what you’ve done. I really want to say thanks for stopping Jose. I do have one more question for you today. We’ll say a little bit of spiritual speed dating. I figured somebody is on here and they’re looking for their next like spiritual date and you could be it. Okay, so that’s where we’re at number one. What was the specific one? I think it fits what’s the relationship between science and Religion.

Lisa S Johnson 1:00:01
It’s getting closer and closer. I think that CERN has certainly helped to view the science experiments they’ve been doing at CERN. Trying to find the God Particle. I think that’s been important. And I think that science is finally recognizing, they never get to find. Because you can’t see that with your eyes. That’s something you have to feel. And science is finally starting to understand that. And I know that they are because even quite a few years ago, they put Ken Wilber on the cover of science and spirituality magazine. I think it was. And he was he’s ahead, you know, if you haven’t studied Ken Wilber, he’s someone really interesting. And I learned a lot from him and and now that’s correlating with somewhere. So I mean, yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:01:00
I know. I know. He’s on the list. Okay. He’s on my list.

Lisa S Johnson 1:01:04
But yes, yeah. Listen to the CD series called cosmic consciousness cosmic with a K. That’s all you need to do. Just get that series you can. I think you can download it on iTunes now or cosmic consciousness. Ken Wilber. It’s one of the most important things you could listen to. And there you’ll see science meatsuit spirits rally and what he talks about. And you can watch shrieve testhorse book, the science of yoga, and that is bringing science and spirituality together, check out what cern is doing. And of course, students at CERN has gotten really weird. So there’s some strange stuff going on at CERN, too, but

Brandon Handley 1:01:45
black holes,

Lisa S Johnson 1:01:47
I suppose. Yeah. A lot of stuff has happened over there.

Brandon Handley 1:01:51
Oh, man, that would be cool. That would be cool to know more. Well, he’s so much fun. Where should I send everybody to go check out your books.

Lisa S Johnson 1:02:01
Okay, so to check out the books, go to my Instagram, at LS j for Lisa s Johnson at lsj rock photos. lsj rock photos is where you’ll find me on Instagram. And there’s a link there my link tree that allows you to both of my books, and for cosmic wantaway for yoga classes comm and rock your Kundalini with me every Saturday from 10 to 11am PST, that’s Los Angeles time. And it’s just a one hour long class from 10 to 11. And we get into all the subjects that we’ve been talking about. And we do a Korea for about 30 minutes, and we do meditation and it opens with some context around what the class is about and what the meditation will be about. And then we go right into it. And we have a gong bath, or a sound bath afterwards, because the gong is very important. It’s the most powerful meditation, it clears the subconscious mind. So we do a gong wrap at the end of every class. So come and rock your Kundalini with me at cosmic 108. It’s cosmic underscore 108.

Brandon Handley 1:03:08
And you have made how many Saturdays in a row

Lisa S Johnson 1:03:14
since COVID started so we’ve gotten a year and a half now, isn’t it? You know, started in February or March of last year. So March, April, May, June, July, August. Yeah. So it’s a year and five months, every single Saturday, I’ve only had one class covered for me by one of the teacher and that would be our friend Parrish. He’s, he’s jumped in when I when I needed him to come and teach a class and he’s very fun. Have you taken this class?

Brandon Handley 1:03:41
I’ve taken a couple of his, like zoom classes. Yes.

Lisa S Johnson 1:03:45
Yeah. Yeah. He’s very funny. He’s fun. And he’s, he’s ahead. You know, he really with that Harvard education, his brain like,

Brandon Handley 1:03:54
you know, for sure. For sure. Lisa, this has been so much fun. I’m so glad that we we finally we finally got the chance to put the time and again, I love I think the artworks amazing photography is fantastic. I love the size of them, write your books and just don’t Kundalini, I think of bringing that out to the world and letting people do that with you. And that’s just on the set. As you said, You’re helping so

Lisa S Johnson 1:04:24
I’m here to serve. That’s what we’re here to do on the planet. Follow our be creative. And follow your heart, listen to your heart, and be creative and then everything falls into place. So and being in service with your creativity. So that’s what I’m trying to do bringing joy into people’s lives just because they get to see their favorite guitar

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Katie Beecher is a guest on Spiritual Dope

Katie Beecher is an internationally known Medical and Emotional Intuitive and Licensed Professional Counselor with over 30 years of experience.  Join us today as we chat about a number of different topics, and lean in as we speak on how Katie beat her own eating disorders and what it has been like for her to lean into her spiritual gifts! Connect with Katie: https://katiebeecher.com/ on insta @katiebeecher_medical_intuitive

The transcript below is machine-generated by AI and un-edited.

Hey, their spiritual dope. I am on today with world renowned Katie Beecher. She is an internationally known medical and emotional intuitive and a licensed professional counselor with over 30 years of experience. Katie and I met, I don’t even know, I think you think we connected through one of the podcast like dating sites. There’s like, it’s like pot it or pod match. And that’s how we connected, we had a really good conversation going back a little bit ago, some of the things that you’re well known for, or at least that you you share out is some of the work you’ve done with the goop platform. Right? And how I usually like to start these out Katie’s the whole idea that you and I are your medium, right? So this is, this is nothing new to you, you and I are connected to source like at all times, right? And everything’s really happening to us and through us for a purpose to the end of hopefully servicing or benefiting another, right? And as as you and I are having this conversation, there’s gonna be somebody on the other end of this podcast listening in, and there’s a message coming through you to them that can only be delivered through you what is that message that connection to intuition, self love, and self acceptance, you can heal from just about anything. What do you have an example of one that

Katie Beecher 6:23
I heard this in my head when I was 16. recovering from an eating disorder, I was bulimic suicidal, complete and total mass didn’t even know who I was, was never mind loving myself. And it was divine intervention, because I was ready to just be like, I’m not living like this anymore. That’s insane. divine intervention, maybe call my pediatrician without telling my parents and basically saying, you know, I’m throwing up three times a day, there’s something really wrong with me. And it was 1983. And they didn’t really pay that much attention to eatings the hardest time and he said, I think you’ll be okay. And I said no, I’m totally not okay. So he gave me the name of a Jungian therapist. I don’t know how familiar Carl Jung you are. But maybe that’s some of the message for people out there is to look up Carl Jung and, and what he talks about, because he’s pretty amazing. But it took me three months to get the courage up to call the therapist, and I finally did, and I had a car and a job. And I got myself there and paid for it myself and worked really hard. And it gave me the courage to connect with my intuitive abilities, which I had been afraid of, and become a licensed counselor. And eventually, you know, do this work, even if the counselor always listened to my guides and spirit and just kind of let them run the show. For the same reason I knew whoever was there with me, needed to hear whatever it was that they needed to say. And I trusted in that. And now, life is pretty interesting.

Brandon Handley 8:04
We’ll have to expand on that one for sure. Life Life is pretty interesting. So I think that is right. 1983. Here is your you know, you’re you’re in a situation, just throwing out three times a day to like, should be okay, that’s me. Who says that? Right? Thank you. All right. Yeah, this type of thing happens all the time, right for life, just don’t worry about it. So and then, and then you know, someone on too young, I am fairly familiar. I know. Earlier in the year, I did a pretty, you know, went through the red book and like some of his other stuff. Super, super great content. And he’s the one that I found the word numinous from, right. So just just kind of like, when you’re when people ask about kind of the awakening experience, or when you consider the awakening experience. What’s that like? And I think the best word for me is the word numinous. Right? You’re just like this. Full body. Theory. Oh, hi. Right. And that I got that from young. Right. So love his stuff. And so he gave you the strength? I mean, how did that lend into the strength to your intuitive?

Katie Beecher 9:27
Yeah, so for people who don’t know about young he basically was he was this famous psychiatrists doing great in his life, thought he was having a nervous breakdown because he started to see visions of dead bodies and bloody rivers and, and things and he could have gone the other way. He could have said, I’m going nuts and I’m going to put myself in somewhere and not talk to people and not deal with clients. And instead, he decided to immerse himself in this experience and Do these kind of like, kind of awakened meditations, if you would, he was kind of doing transits, but he was awake and things. And he, accidentally divine intervention, found his spiritual guide and connected to his intuition and made these amazing illustrations and things. But it was, it was through that courage. And through those connections, that he developed all of his really famous theories and principles that people like Louise Hay and Tara Brock, and everyone under the sun is now using today with, you know, symptoms being symbols for what’s really going on with us and connecting to our intuition. So, for me, it was the perfect way of recovery, because I had all of these kind of psychic experiences that I’ve been having, since I was a kid picking up a lot of negativity and evil stuff, and it made me not want to connect to any of that it really made me very afraid, and very shy and withdrawn. And I just didn’t feel comfortable with myself, I had been bullied, I grew up in a very dysfunctional family, which added to the fun chaos, like a lot of people get addicted do. And working with a therapist who taught me to trust myself, who taught me to trust these inner voices I was having, who taught me about self acceptance, accepting all of the parts of me, even the parts I didn’t like, who did not look at me when I was like, I was crazy when I said, I saw dead people and heard things and knew what was gonna happen in Instead, she encouraged all of that. And so, for me, that was the perfect type of therapy. And another concept that’s it’s young, and I can’t take credit for, but he taught that intuition is God with him. Which means that it’s all knowing force, that is part of everyone. It protects you, it gives you a source of self love unaccept I mean, unconditional love, unconditional acceptance, and always keeps you safe. And for me, it was like, I didn’t have that anywhere in my life. So that gave me the courage to then figure out who I was, and be my authentic self, and just listen to my intuition to them, you know, become a therapist and, and do this intuitive work. And it just, I think if we’re listening to our intuition, we’re being our authentic self.

Brandon Handley 12:46
So I think it’s awesome, you had somebody even at that young age, to be able to come up to you, to tell you to help guide you to exactly yourself, to, to stop looking outside for the acceptance, to understand that everything that you need for your acceptance is already kind of within. Right, and then the idea sounds like he did, like, you know, some shadow work as it were, right, Jeremy in, I think he’s neither one of the, you know, or forefathers of that, right? And being able to accept all of who you are, this unconditional love is acceptance of all of who you are bringing all of that to the party. Right? And realizing that within that is your strength. Those are some of your strengths. Right? And then the almost like the intuition is God within I love that too is the idea has actually think about this this morning is we’re made in His image, God’s image, whatever made his image. But if we stopped thinking of that image being made in the image of this physical form, and we started thinking of being made in His image in the spiritual form. That’s the that’s the image. We’re made it. Right. And that’s what I’m, that’s what I’m hearing you say, because I said it to myself earlier today.

Katie Beecher 14:24
Thought of intuition as our source. And when I say intuition, I mean, my guides, I still do all this work today. Um, you know, it was it’s my source, so it made me so whatever I do, it’s kind of like a dog. Like it doesn’t really matter what you look like or what you weigh. Or if you make a mistake, or anything like that. It still loves you an exception no matter what. And it was. It’s kind of a weird concept in a way because like you just said, I wasn’t looking to the outside for acceptance anymore. I was looking inside but at the same time, when you Have an addiction or an eating disorder or something like that. It’s very narcissistic. Because you are thinking constantly about what you look like, what? what other people are going to think of you? How much water Did you drink? How many calories, whatever the thing is. So you’re just in your own bubble. And you don’t realize that you’re not taking other people’s feelings or lives into consideration, because you’re too sick too.

Brandon Handley 15:29
Sure. I think that I heard it earlier today. You’re more in this mean space? And yeah, the AI space. Is that right? I mean, look, I’m still trying to figure it all out myself. You’ve got it, you’ve got a you’ve got a couple couple, you’ve got the advantage in terms of time. And space for sure. A couple right. And, and I think that’s awesome, too, because this is one of those things where, while the journey looks real different on the outside, for the most part, I think internally, it’s real similar for for most, right, we like, oh, you’re at like, you know, you’re at this bend of the river. Be sure like around here, watch out for rocks.

Katie Beecher 16:09
Right? addictions, right? Feeling things. You’re too afraid, or you think there’s something wrong with you. And I don’t care if it’s eating disorder, I don’t care what the hell you’re doing.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Well, let’s, let’s chase that one a little bit. Let’s talk about the addiction to not feeling things. I’m curious, almost for my own self. And but like, that’s not when you hear too much about right? What’s that look like? And what are some signs? What is no, I don’t know.

Katie Beecher 16:34
Yeah. So combat, I realized, the hardest part of getting better for me, which I’ve been cured, I guess, recovered from bulimia for like 30 years. And I’m really lucky, most people don’t want to get to recover. And but the hardest part of it, and the most essential part was learning to love myself. Now, it’s really sad that we have to do that and it gets shut off. But that’s the way it is. So in not loving and accepting yourself, what you’re basically doing is you’re pushing down how you feel, because it’s what we feel that then makes us act what we feel and think that makes us act. And so I could not feel anything that went against what my parents were saying what they were teaching, you know, there’s no dysfunction here, everything’s fine. Well, yeah, there is, there’s a lot. You know, and I encounter this a lot with clients, they’re like, we tried to speak up, or we tried to change things, or we tried to whatever, and nobody would listen. So we stopped having feelings, we stopped talking. And I don’t believe that we can ever push down who we truly are. When we do that, we get sick, all kinds of things happen. So it’s easier to eat everything in sight, and throw up or if you drink alcohol, or if you choose time how alter your brain and your life. It’s easier to do that than it is to risk feeling upset, risk feeling rejection, from your parents risk, saying something to them that is going to make them abandon you. It’s a coping mechanism that we create. Much like being an empath is you have to figure out what people are feeling and thinking before they act. So you protect yourself. But I really believe that that’s what it’s about. Because if you can have free thought, and free will and think you can be yourself. But if you can’t, it’s a very, very painful existence.

Brandon Handley 18:50
Yes, if you don’t, if you don’t express what you’re feeling, in some way, shape or form, it’s going to manifest in some way. And oftentimes that expresses itself in some type of dis ease, right? It’s gonna show up I mean, look, I’m not a doctor, I’m not anything, but it could show up as as a sickness, General malaise, cancer, like, you know, Oh, my, you know, my back is acting up. And you know, yesterday, everything was fine. So sound sounds a little bit like new cut. That’s what you’re saying. And then, you know, it’s like the, it’s like, they take these feelings and they shuffle them, right. But you’re talking about, it’s easier to do the addiction. And it’s in that addiction.

Katie Beecher 19:33
Correct. So, in reality, it’s not easier to do the addiction. It’s a horrible way to live, you know, but we think it’s easier because that fear of being rejected if we’re ourselves is so great and varied. You don’t even realize you’re feeling it, that you just go straight to your coping mechanism. And people out of fear think they can’t win. Without this coping mechanism, and then there’s the physical addiction aspect to a lot of things too. But they just think if I risk being myself, like if I risk setting boundaries with people and saying no, and not taking care of everybody, and asserting myself, those people are then not going to love me anymore or not want me around, or whatever. And it’s pretty, nobody wants to be lonely and rejected, you know, but no one wants to live with addiction either.

Brandon Handley 20:33
Right now, I hear you, I hear you in what you’re saying there twos is for the person that’s living that way. Right? It’s, that may be true, those people do not want you anymore after that. And that you may be 100%. Correct. But the people that come behind that, after you assert yourself after you create your own space after, you know, we’re made in His image as creators, right. And you create the life that you want, on purpose with intention. The next line of people are going to be the ones that are a step beyond the

Katie Beecher 21:12
very least Yeah, I had. One, I have an amazing husband and two fantastic daughters, and they have great spouses. And this family is real.

Brandon Handley 21:24
Right? Yeah, I love that. So let’s talk about some mediumship. I mean, you know, so you did you did like the, you know, kind of the clinical work, right, but now are you kind of all in on,

Katie Beecher 21:37
you know, as a medical intuitive, which is basically the work I do, I work in a very unique way. Just with someone’s name and age, somebody will contact me through my website, give me their name, and age and their contact info. And I create a four page report. It’s extremely detailed about physical, emotional, and spiritual things in their life from when they were little to now to their relationships, career, anything, anything that impacts their quality of life, but at that way, I create that. And then I do a symbolic painting, watercolor painting. And before meeting with them, I send them all of this information, then we meet and discuss it all. And I don’t know how I do it. But I always hear like, you didn’t know me before this really like I thought I’ve known you forever. And how do you do this, and it’s pretty amazing. So with the goal really is few things to look at any kind of issues they’re having. Look at the root cause is anything that I can handle, you know, spiritual emotion, even sometimes physical, we’ll address we’ll develop a new a plan for recovering and feeling better. I have doctors and other professionals that I work with, to help with either confirming my findings, diagnosing, treating things like that, because I am not legally allowed to make diagnoses and I shouldn’t be, you know. So even though people doing this work sometimes do I, that’s not okay. And they’re where I get my information from is from, you know, my own intuition from my guides, their loved ones who have passed off often come through, I get information for people that they care about, not just themselves. And it’s a pretty amazing process. People are like, this is like a year of therapy and an hour. So it’s pretty cool.

Brandon Handley 23:46
That’s potent, right? I mean, so it’s just just a name. And their age.

Katie Beecher 23:52
Yeah, I put that I use, I sit down, just kind of, you know, think about their name, get a download from my guides, fill it all out. And the painting allows for some symbolic information. As a human, I can think too hard or interpret the information I’m getting. I try not do but I’m human, but with the symbolic information like this is. You can see that yeah. So that’s one of the paintings, it’s really glary. They’re all really different. And the colors all mean something the way that the arms are or the hips or the way the legs are facing or all of that all means something.

Brandon Handley 24:37
When you say it all means something. Does that mean that it all means something to you? Or is that something that they pick up? And it’s almost I mean, I’m not trying to say Rorschach. So

Katie Beecher 24:46
yeah, I don’t know what it means as I’m painting the picture. At the end of the session, I go to it and kind of start at the beginning. start at the top and say okay, this is where I started. My guides are telling me that this is what this means. You know, the placement of this is usually like my signal, like, if somebody has their arms up like that, that’s my signal for somebody who’s like, Okay, I’m just done with where I’m living. I’ve had it, you know, time for a new start. And what’s very important to me through the whole process, is that what I’m saying resonates with people, I teach everyone how to connect to their intuition. And trust themselves. It’s not my job to substitute my intuition for someone else’s. You know, that’s, that’s not what I’m trying to do. And we all have strengths within us. And we all do kind of know what we need, we just don’t always know how to get there.

Brandon Handley 25:43
Yeah, 100%. And I think, when you’re saying teach them to get to their throat intuition, once they kind of hit it once or twice, they know what that resonance is. Right? So once they understand what that resonance is, and that way of getting there, there’s kind of a specific pathway back to them, at least one route, right? And I gotta imagine that there’s more than one route, but like, Hey, we just hit it, you know, in the whole Joseph Campbell’s follow your bliss type thing. It’s like, you know, there’s, there’s different ways that you’re going to achieve this. Right. But this is this is you’re

Katie Beecher 26:26
learning to trust what you’re getting? And not second guess it and not overthink it. And that everybody can connect. And somebody will say, well, is this just what I want to hear? Am I making this up? You know, or does this just why does it just sound like me? You know, why aren’t you seeing angels and everything. And I’m like, you don’t have to it doesn’t have to be this earth shattering experience. And we use intuition all the time. People just don’t even realize it. And I’ll try to point out things you know, you said to me about this, that you pick this up, remember that? Oh, yeah. So

Brandon Handley 27:05
that I think it’s neat to write it and the idea of, of not overthinking it, and really trusting it. So do you, how do you get someone to start trusting their intuition? Like, you know, you and I are working on like, Listen, I was feeling this thing. And I just don’t know if I trusted Katie, like, what some of the guidance for me to start trusting more and stop this. So what are some,

Katie Beecher 27:28
so I remind them, of out kind of ask them about like, common one is if people who are have been in really bad relationships, and they’re afraid of getting into another one, or they’re afraid of getting out of their really dysfunctional relationship, because they think they’re just going to find another person who doesn’t treat them well. So I asked, you know, what were the warning signs that you had? Like, I don’t know, like, okay, now, that’s not acceptable. What are the warning signs, you know, a bit of this going wrong? Like, did he do this, did she do this did whatever it was, and I try to remind them of times that they use their intuition. Or even with medical intuition, we all have it. So you have this symptom. You knew enough to get yourself to the hospital, or you knew it was gonna be fine, I didn’t really need to go there or with your kid, you know, you know, when your kids have ear infections, or whatever it is, so I really tried to reinforce times where they use their intuition, and they could trust it. And also times when they did hear from their intuition and didn’t trust it, and we’re really sorry. So some of is that kind of, you know, kind of thing. Um, also, we talk a lot about intuition and fear, because that comes up. And my general rule of thumb is fear makes you feel more anxious. And it makes you overthink more and not trust yourself. Whereas intuition may warn you of things, but it’s going to do it in a comforting way, in a way that makes you nurture yourself and not create more chaos in your life. And a lot of people will say, it’s easier for me to listen to intuition for other people than for myself. So I’m like, okay, apply some of that to you when, you know, a lot of it’s just hand holding and confidence building and, and things like that. But there’s, there’s some, some young in techniques that I teach people about writing your intuition and your body and putting it right back to you. And so, yeah, a lot of it’s just like, letting people know that it’s, it’s there and that they don’t have to be Katie Beecher, or whoever else to be able to trust their intuition.

Brandon Handley 29:57
Right, so you’re sure Hey, this is open to anybody, it is open to you like Katie Beecher is not open to me, right? And you’re like, let’s, let’s walk through. Let me count the ways. Let me count the ways. Hey, did any of this ever show up in these relationships? Like you’re saying, and then, you know, you get the point out, and I guess, you get to walk them along with Oh, yep. That was intuition. Yep. That was intuition. I love how you kind of also juxtapose intuition and fear, right? Like how fears is kind of like the fears is almost like shielding the light as it were, right? And then, you know, if you’re, if you’re acting in fear, there’s like this, there’s this uneasiness, this taste and discomfort, whereas like, when you’re you’re following intuition. There’s a nurturing feeling. There’s, it’s almost like, it’s almost like, you know, the doors been open for you. There’s like, I’m thinking of like, almost like walking on, like, fresh green grass. Right. Right. Right. And, and not just in this kind of future state. Don’t do that. Because it’s going to impact your I am this. Right. It’s something you know, for. Sure, follow that. But that’s okay. Right. It’s okay. Right. I think, I think to do things out of safety, and and just is okay, this person, I’m on the first day with them, and something doesn’t feel right. Well, trust. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Go with that. We never liked each other from the beginning. Go with that. You know what I mean? All right. Yeah, it’s real imperative to really want to have the second date, not just to see if the first one was a fluke. It’s not about whether that person likes you. Do you like them? Right. Yeah. I mean, that I think that’s, that’s even more important, right? Stop holding out for, you knows, again, that external love, stop looking for that outside and then, you know, seeking for it, you know, once you have it for yourself, you’ve got it, and then everybody else wants it. Right? They’ll come to you for that. So anyway, the whole attractive thing. So what is something that you’re like really working on right now? talks program. So

Katie Beecher 32:30
I’m really excited about this. I have a book coming out, it’s being published in February, it’s available for presale, it’s called heal from within an intuitive guide to wellness. And it’s telling some of my backstory, helping people connect to their intuition. And telling people how to do a lot of the same techniques that I do during my individual readings to detect their issues, get to the root cause, you know, get insight learn to love themselves and care about themselves. And me and my husband calls it Katy Beecher, the home game. But you know, kind of is as much as you could do that for, for the masses. But it’s very detailed. There’s tons of, you know, quizzes and skills and tools and all that kind of stuff to use. I’m super excited about that. And then, in October, this October, at the Omega center in Rhinebeck, New York, I’m doing a week long workshop. And it has the same title, title here permitting. And it’s going to be mostly exercises and activities, because I don’t like to just sit around and listen to me talk. But all about, again, connecting to intuition. teaching people how to do those paintings that I do, how to do medical intuitive readings, how to connect yourself connecting to your body, all that kind of stuff. So I’m those are, you know, the two big things coming up. I have an Instagram Live coming up with Miranda Kerr that I’m excited about. And in October too. But um, yeah, so it’s, it’s getting to kind of teach people on mass, what I do, and then how they can use that to be healthier and happier.

Brandon Handley 34:13
So I think you should just add to the home game. Alright. I love that. I’m like that. My bliss and intuition, Katie is saying that that’s the one. So why now? Why the book now?

Katie Beecher 34:29
Yeah, what’s new, going to write a book when I was recovering from the eating disorder? I was told then this is a really good thing that you have this. I’m very grateful for the eating disorder experience, because so many reasons, but I wouldn’t be who I am today wouldn’t be my authentic self. But I knew then that I was going to write this book and be working with the whole world, basically. And I guess I just had to go through a whole lot of crap to get there. And to be ready. Um, and they do. And six, seven years ago, six years ago, I found out that I had Lyme disease. Every co infection in Lyme probably had it since I was a kid growing up in Connecticut. So I asked my guides, okay, what’s the deal? You know why now? Why am I finding this out? And they said, it’s time for you to stop putting off writing reading your book proposal. So I listened finally did that. I’m not a writer. So it was a little daunting and terrifying. Got some help with it? And now there’s a book. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 35:44
That’s great. That’s great. And right, like, life will stop you from doing everything else until you do the thing that you’re supposed to be doing. Right. So, I mean, were you going through that condition? And instead of saying, Why, God, why, yeah, we’re like, Alright, what’s this? What’s in here? For me? Well, yeah,

Katie Beecher 36:04
I knew enough about my recoveries from other things to say, Okay, this is not my enemy. This is not out to get me. It’s scary. It’s supposed to be scary, because it’s getting my attention. So what’s the reason? What am I supposed to do with this and learn from it? And I didn’t want to be a patient. And be poor me. And because that wasn’t serving me. So it was, yeah, it was it was kind of practicing what I preach really, which is, you know, we screw up. Sometimes we try to do our best.

Brandon Handley 36:41
But I mean, I think that’s interesting, too, right? Because as much as we know, all this stuff, and we practice and we preach it and we go through it doesn’t mean we’re invulnerable to those things, right? And then it’s when they happen. We’re like, he’s son of a bitch. Right? Like, all right, you can call it calling my Bluff, right? as it were. Let’s see, let’s see,

Katie Beecher 37:07
can I roll behind me? That’s awesome. That is my love. I enjoy it. I’m addicted to it. And I got a shoulder injury, not doing poll. And there was there was a message to that, which I’ve done after going through the whole thing, but I’m like, dammit.

Brandon Handley 37:23
I love you know, I love that you do you do some of the the pole dancing on here and stuff on your Insta stuff? It’s, I mean, I love it, right? You’re just out there doing it and doing your thing. I think that that’s, you know, just more of doing your thing, right? It’s just part of who you are doing it. And it’s not right or wrong,

Katie Beecher 37:42
kill you when it’s good for you. And it’s as strong as I’ve ever been in my life. And it’s good for body image. You know, if you told me back when I had an eating disorder that I would be wearing, basically, bikini on the internet, you are insane. I would have been with the beach. So you know. Right?

Brandon Handley 37:59
Good for you. I mean, look, that’s I mean, that’s a long journey to get there. So So I mean, there’s got it, there’s a lot I think there’s power in that story as well, for sure. For the Yes, omega center, who is your ideal client? Who should be attending? Like this? That’s a really, really yeah.

Katie Beecher 38:21
I feel like someone who knows nothing at all, about spirituality or intuition, or art, or any of that stuff would be great. And the clients I work with run from knowing nothing to being practitioners themselves, um, people who do intuitive work or energy work, or who were even physicians or acupuncturist or whatever, it’s advanced enough that they would get something out of it. For sure, it’s, you know, it’s my own things that I’ve created and invented with some young thrown in. So, really, I have purposely

Brandon Handley 39:01
wait with this other guy young that I heard of. He’s okay. He’s a small contributor,

Katie Beecher 39:08
you know, so I think things that people have not been exposed to be for unless you’ve had a reading, but even then, it’s kind of cool. So it’s people who know nothing, people who are have some sort of illness or whatever, like, who doesn’t, you know, learn more about that people who want to help themselves and clients or and other people. And it’s, I really want it to be I want to be friendly, not scary. You know, but also for people to say, Well, I didn’t know I could do that. And I’m

Brandon Handley 39:49
alright. Right. We I mean, I guess if there’s somebody out there who’s in the area and are thinking and maybe they they, you know, they would just want to test out this Medical intuition on themselves, this is something I could go check out and then, right. It’s something that, yeah, they could they could put into practice, like, almost immediately. One thing I want to circle back on is something that you hit on, is the whole idea that I think it’s I just want to help reinforce for you is that you into it, you have conversations with the people. And you recommend that they go to a specialist people that I validate,

Katie Beecher 40:31
I want to have experience with, right? That right? No, are ethical our caring, are qualified to do their thing. So in the reading, we talk about physical, emotional, spiritual, I will identify things that I see, you know, like physical symptoms, emotional symptoms, I’ll identify all that. And I could say, you know, symptoms such similar to Lyme or similar to something else. But this is these are some people that I recommend, some who work online, some are who are in the area, who can, can look into what I’ve said further, do some testing. So you have empirical information, do some treatment, I cannot treat people that’s not legal or ethical either. So

Brandon Handley 41:29
yeah, I’m yeah, that’s something I want to call out, right? I wanted to double down on that. So somebody only, maybe they weren’t really listening to the first half. And they come in the backend? Well, you can’t just do these things and send people off, right? And tell them they’re gonna be okay. You’re telling them you know, there’s Hey, there’s more work, there’s more work beyond what I just talked about. Please go right. validate this with somebody who’s certified because that’s not what I do here. What I do here is I you know, we help we discuss, we understand, I show you two that you can do this through your own intuition. That’s why you’re here with me today, right? Because you’ve got intuition. And now Hey, let’s not stop there.

Katie Beecher 42:09
And also I have them contact me after what what did you find? What’s going on with you? What did you find? And you can ask questions about the reading afterwards for no extra charge? Because I don’t think it’s fair. If someone has a question, they make a whole new appointment. Like that’s not cool. So I follow up with them and want to know what’s going on. And in some people, a lot of people make follow up appointments, some people don’t, it’s all it’s all good, depending what you want to do. But it’s it’s a process.

Brandon Handley 42:39
Katie, real similar to the who should be showing up for your events, like who’s your guy, I know, you get customers from all different types of moves, what seems to be like your most prevalent

Katie Beecher 42:51
Can I definitely get people who do have others who don’t, people who just want to connect to their intuition or improve their relationships or whatever. But the vast majority of people, I would say, have a physical or mental health condition that they haven’t gotten the help that they’ve needed or wanted. for it, they want to learn more about it, they want to get to the root cause instead of mandating and taking medicine or whatever. So they really want to get to the bottom of it and feel better permanently, you know, have lasting, lasting health and lasting wellness, and find their life purpose and be authentic.

Brandon Handley 43:40
Perfect, awesome. You put in there for a second. Oh, so usually, you know, is there anything else that you would cover or anything else that kind of you would you would want to share that we didn’t really touch on during this? Um,

Katie Beecher 43:53
I guess I just really want to say that we are all capable of being happy and of healing and of being authentic and trusting ourselves. And it seems really scary. Sometimes No, it is, you know, not gonna not gonna say it’s not but it’s really worth it. And it’s okay to ask for help. It takes strength to ask for help, you know, but, like, keep trying, you know, and even just following your dreams. I’m not a writer under the hell I was doing. I have this book that got published it, you know, it took a while it was a lot of kind of ups and downs and just kind of keep at it and, and don’t be afraid to make mistakes.

Brandon Handley 44:49
I’m trying to see where my mic is.

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My honor my off.

Brandon Handley 44:56
What’s the first step for somebody like that? Right. So I agree. 100 percent. What is starting that journey?

Katie Beecher 45:03
It’s admitting it admitting that I am not perfect. I need help. I don’t have to be better than other people. I’m the same. Everybody has flaws. But I need to admit that I have pain. And I don’t want to live this way anymore.

Brandon Handley 45:25
I have suffering, right we have. So every everybody has suffering. That’s, that’s the root of it. Right? And how do I how do I let go that transcend it? as it were? Well, awesome. I think that’s great. The place we are now is in the spiritual speed dating space right now. Right. So basically, basically, somebody is tuning in here today. They’re like, I’m looking for my next you know, spiritual hottie. You could be it for somebody out there, Katie. And so let’s find a question that I think works here. We’ll start with bachelor number one, what is the greatest quality humans?

Unknown Speaker 46:09
Humans possess?

Brandon Handley 46:13
mean, let’s expand on it. Like, what’s that? What’s that mean?

Katie Beecher 46:16
Right, caring about others. And being there for other people. I think there’s a lot of really nice, good people out there. There’s a lot of shitty people, but there’s a lot of people who actually do really care about others. And that’s the most important gift we can give each other is to, to be there.

Brandon Handley 46:39
For me step by step into that love and actually I hate the term leverage, but like, use it, right? Don’t just be like, leverage the love and like, you know, in I think what you were saying earlier in that way that you’ve already applied to yourself, or have the potential to apply to yourself. I think the first place right that somebody should apply that is to themselves unconditionally. Learn how to love yourself before you love anybody else. I think as a as a takeaway on that one. Just admit it, acceptance is freeing. And it’s, it’s, it’s liberating, right? Really, you know what, yeah, that was my shit. It is now what? Right? What are we also afraid of?

Katie Beecher 47:25
I was good. I looked at those questions. I was gonna say ourselves, but what I really think it is, is abandonment and not being loved by others.

Brandon Handley 47:37
Around Yeah, I mean, I think I think that that’s, that’s a big part of it, for sure. Um, but I think I would, I would, I would almost say to, right, I mean, it links to that love thing, right? You haven’t learned how to love yourself yet in a situation like that. So both answers are acceptable, like, loving yourself, like, you know, afraid to like kind of love yourself or yourself being afraid of yourself. Right. That’s that whole Marianne Williamson. You know, the our greatest fear, isn’t that right? I mean, hockey, like every time you see it, it’s like, that’s the one all right, man. Jeez, I don’t know why you’re anything yet. But sure. Right. Well, listen, Katie’s it’s been so great to finally have this interview with you. Have you on I know we You and I were talking before we we got going here. We connected sometime in like February this year. It’s August. Holy smokes. 2021 looks like a record speed break neck year. So thank you so much for being on where can I send the audience to find

Katie Beecher 48:46
some fun? Um, so my website is Katie. k Tia, feature b e ch er calm. So Katie meter calm. And I think I owe you a picture.

Brandon Handley 49:01
If you don’t give me one, I’ll find one. Katie. So that’s you know, that’s in your hands. Right? That’s, that’s within your control. The can they find out more about your sessions and your book by going to your site? So you’re okay, so everything, everything they need is right there,

Katie Beecher 49:18
too. It’s Katie Beecher, medical intuitive. But yeah, my website talks about the different options for readings. And their sample reports on there. There’s paintings, you know, my back stuff, you can make the appointment right on the website. There’s a link to I think it’s Barnes and Noble or something about my book with the thing. And then there’s a link on there also for the Omega workshop right on my front page.

Brandon Handley 49:46
Awesome. Well, congratulations on your book, and you know, the work that you’re doing, I think it’s so cool. And the story that you’re sharing and you’re bringing your authentic self to the world the way that you are, I think it’s great.

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Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
One. Hey, there’s spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We’re giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He’s the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we’re gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34
Yeah, so I’m looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that’s happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There’s a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it’s because of a lot of things, but because our world, there’s so much going on, there’s so much information, there’s so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what’s going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we’re not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48
That’s cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49
So what do you what do you think that we’re not seeing right now? What’s like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58
Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we’re seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can’t trust we can’t put our faith in as someone who’s going to stand side by side with me to face what’s coming face, you know, the continued craziness that’s unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58
So I mean, it’s I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I’m hearing, right. And it’s allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we’re not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I’m kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26
Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we’re viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what’s going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you’re able to see kind of what’s really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24
So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it’s kind of like a, you just like you’re saying, There’s, there’s no, there’s no hiding from yourself. Right? There’s, there’s no, there’s no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you’re saying, like, you’re fully exposed, right, you’re fully exposed. And I think that what you’re saying is really important, too, right? You’ve got to have someone there, or there’s has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we’re gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there’s the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don’t have that, that space created for yourself. And you don’t have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you’ve illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn’t know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let’s talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don’t mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14
yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it’s more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you’re mentioning, I, I’m in this container of support. But it’s not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here’s this experience, you are traveling through it, you’re experiencing it. And it’s embodied that way. It’s not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I’ve grown, as I’ve developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let’s say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it’s something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that’s embodied. That’s not just someone telling you something. It’s you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24
For sure you use the word that I’m a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There’s this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What’s that? What’s that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you’re like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you’re like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it’s a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I’m guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there’s like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you’re feeling right, and then they’ve got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that’s well put. And I think that there’s a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can’t speak of, because there’s no words for it is it It feels like you’re connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you’re describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn’t have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it’s not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it’s just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it’s actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that’s greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you’re kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there’s something more here, and I’m through doing this work on myself, I’m healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it’s really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it’s not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that’s pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there’s this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you’re saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I’ve seen is a, you know, there’s this whole idea of, let’s get rid of the ego, right? But then there’s this whole, there’s also this other terminology like, well, I’m my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I’m good over here, bro. Like, I’ve reached a plateau. And you’re all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49
Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that’s an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that’s in that state. Again, it’s an ecstatic state. So you’re excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I’m gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That’s, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21
So, you know, let’s say again, let’s say I come to you for a session, right? What’s this? What’s that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I’m going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn’t have any integration. And so I don’t feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that’s right there. That’s a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you’ve had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it’s me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that’s a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you’re it’s kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you’re kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you’re going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I’m going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I’m not seeing right now what’s holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you’re kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it’s not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I’m gonna, you know, I’m going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there’s way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn’t get what I wanted. Because you’re gonna get I believe you’re gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06
For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that’s super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I’ve listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that’s going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you’re so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it’s not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you’re attached to, as you’re going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don’t do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I’m gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you’re in the right mental state and like, hey, if you’ve had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that’s a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you’re not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42
Yeah, that’s a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don’t ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you’re bringing up, if you’re in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you’re just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you’re not, you don’t have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I’m going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I’m going to turn to this thing that I’ve heard, cures depression that I’ve heard, you know, heals people, this. So I’m just gonna jump into this, when really, it’s much more nuanced than that. And it’s, and it’s quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I’m ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there’s a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there’s someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There’s other people there to support you, there’s this feeling that I’m participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that’s not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you’re going through this, just so you know, okay, I’m in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there’s not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don’t have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I’m having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it’s not just you flying out in space. And it’s maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they’re really young, and maybe it’s in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there’s, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don’t, I don’t knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it’s done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It’s It’s too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there’s not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35
100% Yeah, nothing you’re saying here that I disagree with. I’m not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I’m gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you’ve got like this indigenous setting, right? You’ve got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It’s quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there’s a support what you’re going through. And I think that that’s super important. I think that’s really awesome that you’re, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody’s first experience. I think a couple of things like when you’re younger, I don’t know that you really got the capability to speak, what you’re given in that experience, to the level that you’re delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you’ll take somebody on that’s this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03
Yeah, it to me, it doesn’t matter as long as again, the as long as you’re approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn’t matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan’s book, and you’re curious or if you’ve sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29
Should I be reading Michael’s book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32
I mean, I think it’s a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39
I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what’s your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who’s your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57
Yeah, again, anyone who’s curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41
guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55
An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59
That’s right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00
I don’t have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03
Yeah, I’m just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it’s it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn’t been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it’s just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where’s your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you’ve been trying to kick down, but you haven’t been able to, and all of a sudden, it’s like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it’s like you were saying earlier, it’s not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It’s this other thing. That’s way over here, you haven’t even considered, it’s been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It’s opened up, they’ve got you there with them, and they’re able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13
Perhaps I’m in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn’t be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you’re being seen? Do you feel like you’re being understood? Or do you feel like you’re kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there’s so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there’s more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we’ll continue to as we move forward, it’s not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It’s and it is, it’s, it’s something that you can’t explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It’s very, to me, it’s very reassuring. And I think it’s one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we’re heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20
100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that’s really, to me, I think that’s super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don’t want you saying that’s bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48
Yeah, yeah. So I’m kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it’s important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I’m, I’m constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46
No, no, 100%. That’s it. And there’s a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you’re doing is really important. I think that it’s pretty cool that you’re doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there’s this Renaissance, right, and there, you’re just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you’re like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they’re basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I’m gonna ask a question or two, let’s do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38
Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can’t externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can’t give our trust away lightly. Because it’s, you know, that’s one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38
That’s number one, that’s a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51
Would you say? Yeah, I, I that’s, that’s part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03
I think you would say we are all one. So I’m not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don’t buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15
Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it’s not lost. What it is, is not lost, it’s transformed. It’s turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don’t think anything’s lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27
I like it. I mean, it’s kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you’ve already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there’s never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it’s just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57
Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59
All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you’re doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you’re doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12
Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you’re resonating with anything I’m saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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Derek Webster is lead pastor at Grace Pointe, a multi-campus church based in Naperville, Illinois. He is also an international teacher and coach. Derek has written two books, and has two podcasts called “7 Minutes on Earth” and “1:28.” His company, Wenwyn, helps leaders navigate the nexus of faith and culture. He and his wife, Melissa, have three children, two grandchildren, and one more grandchild on the way.

Visit Derek over at https://www.wenwyn.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:41
of the spiritual tube. I’m on today with Derek Webster, who’s the lead pastor at Grace point a multi campus church based in Naperville, Illinois. He’s also an international teacher and coach Derek has written two books and has two podcasts called seven minutes on earth and 128. His company Win Win helps navigate the nexus of faith and culture. He and his wife, Melissa have three children, two grandchildren and one more grandchild on the way and I pause there because I saw him right before report, we started this conversation how, hey, you look young, you look youthful he looks fry and full of energy. And that’s good. Good for you, man.

Derek Webster 1:19
I feel young, youthful, Spry and full of energy.

Brandon Handley 1:21
There you go. Wonderful. Wonderful. So I always like to start us off with the whole idea, right? That we are spiritual conduits, right? We’re conduits for a god divine, whatever is kind of coming through us. And the idea is that you and I meeting connecting today’s is somewhat like fate, if you will, something like that something along those lines, part of the grand design, if you will. And there’s going to be somebody who’s tuned in and listening to this podcast, and there’s a message is coming through you that only you can deliver at this time space in place. What is that message today? Derek?

Derek Webster 1:53
Yeah. Well, I’m not a Christian fatalist. If, you know, I don’t think the math predetermines everything. But I agree. I think that that I think this is a moment that was planned before history. And, and so really, if I can help your listeners, grab some confidence, and seize their moment in time, I would love to do that. I wrote a book called your mess, God’s masterpiece, right here. And it’s all about the life of Joseph. And here’s a guy who goes from obscurity to be the second most powerful person in all of Egypt. And yet, not only is that story remarkable how in the world is he sees the moment Wait, when he’s in front of Pharaoh, he goes really from an insecure little brat. to that. How do you get there without channeling Donny Osmond. And you know, Joseph in the multicolored dreamcoat, and all of that, but then the second half of his life is all about what happens once you are transformed. So actually, more time is spent on him reconciling with his family then, is spent even from him going from obscurity to the second in charge. So how do you arrive at a moment where you’re in front of a pharaoh is the first question because so many of us have a longing for greatness. And then what do you do? And once you find yourself there, how do you have the confidence to navigate the moment? And then Joseph life we see that? Well, confidence is really rooted in humility. But God had to take him on a journey to get to humility. Because humility is actually deeply rooted in spirituality. It’s rooted in the transcendent.

Brandon Handley 3:28
I mean, that’s great. And the I think the idea I’m not super familiar with the story, right? Yeah. Like you and I talked a little bit about it before, but in terms of like, you know, this longing for greatness and then having to become, you know, gain this humility so that you get to that point. What does that what does that look like in a modern? What’s a modern, like, likeness to that that you would share?

Derek Webster 3:54
Or Well, I mean, we celebrate those kinds of stories, right? We celebrate the kinds of stories that people who somehow find their greatness they find their voice, whether they’re a great poet, whether they’re a great musician, you know, how does YouTube become become YouTube? Has Coldplay become Coldplay? How does Bruce become Bruce? Or we look at politicians. This afternoon, I was on a bike ride and I was listening to a podcast with Conan O’Brien and President brock obama. How does Obama go from obscurity to President? And so we celebrate the arc the result of that in real time, all the time. We love greatness when it’s revealed. But there’s something about the journey of that that tends to be a mystery. And so what happens is all these biographies are written. And they talk about luck. They talk about talent. They talk about personality, but very few really addressed what the Bible addresses when it comes to Joseph’s life, which is what do you do if you’re like in a backwater, you have a longing to be great But you’re born into a broken, blended family, like Joseph was. It’s highly dysfunctional. Even though he’s daddy’s favorite. He’s also alienated and strange from his family. He has visions, early on, that he’s so dumb, he decides to share them with everybody else, because that’s really going to help family issues especially tells him how great he’s going to be one day. And then they think, well, let’s, let’s get rid of this guy. And let’s bring him down to our level. I mean, they dip his, his dad’s you know, it’s because he’s his dad’s favorite son. And the reason for that is he’s born to the wife that he loves. But you have all these other sons in the house, they’re all vying for daddy’s affection. And so how, how did Joseph How do you go from that backwater? You know, Texas, broken blended, you know, how do you how do you do that? And then get to second in charge, as an Israelite in an Egyptian world? How do you get to those levels of cultural influence? And what the world talks up I think to luck remotely with it was just luck. Actually, what we read is that there’s actually a process to it, which is, it’s not so much about luck, as much as is that sometimes God leads you to places that you don’t necessarily want to be in order to get to the places where he wants you. And the design of that is to deflate the ego, and to elevate sense of transcendence ease so that you have a deep sense of who you are. You know, it’s two years. So the story of Joseph is kind of interesting to Joseph. Right. 12 Brothers, he’s got some sisters, gets filled out by his brothers, clan of a caravan of ishmaelites, picks him up, takes them to Egypt winds up really being a servant in potter’s house, Potter’s the chief of the guard for Pharaoh. Okay, so that’s extraordinary. But, you know, so what? Well, he’s got this character, suddenly, he already makes an adjustment. He’s no longer a brat. He’s now on his own. And he’s on his own in a foreign language with a foreign tongue. And so he decides, okay, I’m just going to work hard at this. And so when he does, he starts to elevate through the ranks. The challenges now he has a circumstance out of his control. His wife thinks he’s hot. I mean, the text in the Bible actually, literally says he was really good looking. And he’s really smart. He’s really good looking. And it’s like Brad Pitt in the movie, right? You just, gosh, Ken’s gonna have anything else. He’s unjustly charged, and he goes straight to prison. While he’s in prison, and prison in Egyptian culture. Ancient World isn’t a pleasant place to be. He’s a foreigner. And yet, he starts to be noticed for his wisdom and his discernment. Then a baker and a cut bear a cut. There’s a guy who tasted the poison for the king. They get sent to prison for political reasons. Joseph serving the guys in prison. I mean, how low Do you have to be to serve the prisoners? Right? Like, you think all you have freedom of movement is like, you know, in our heads, we’re thinking, you know, escaped Alcatraz. He’s the guy does the laundry, right? He’s like, everywhere, but in the ancient world is a little different. And so he’s kind of he’s serving the prisoners.

They go, we’ve had these disturbing dreams. Now remember, he hasn’t had dreams since he was a kid. He says, What are they? He says, here’s what they are. He says he has what it means one of us gonna die, the other one’s gonna make it back. So before, so he predicts all that accurately. And before the cup bear goes back to Pharaoh, Joseph, last ditch effort as you know, thenI I mean, something of doing well. And here it’s unjust. Like, he says, Please remember me. Well, here’s the deal. Two years go by, and nothing. Like, zero. So what’s the point? Like why is he in prison for two years and justly Oh, what was what’s the divine have to do with that? Well, in that moment, God is saying, I’m gonna remove all sense of you thinking how awesome you are in this moment? Because when he stands in front of Pharaoh, when he’s finally called up, two years later, the pharaoh has the disturbing dreams in the cupboard goes I know a guy. He’s dressed up as Egyptian because that’s how you present before the Pharaoh. And Pharaoh goes, Hey, here, you can interpret dreams. And here’s what he says. He says, Well, I think you might have heard wrong, because here’s the deal. I don’t know if I can interpret your dream. I really don’t. But I can ask God And so what we see here is a guy who’s different, very different than the early bratty kid. He’s like walking around the ancient world and a cut of many colors, not something you want to do people have a, you know, a revenge contract out on your family. And so obviously, you know, that story ends well, and he becomes second in charge. And then suddenly, he’s confronted with his family comes back, and they don’t recognize them, which is heartbreaking. And he has to navigate this other stuff. But he navigates it as a different person. He’s still in charge. He’s still like, admirable, but we tend to think, Oh, it’s the end of the story, like wrap it up, like he’s made it right to the credits. But God’s going, No, no, I’m not, I’m not done here. And so because he has this humility, that lends him a confidence, even when his family politics gets a little crazy. He manages to navigate that with great wisdom and discernment. And at the end, at the very end of his life, what we find is that his two kids who are half Egyptian, are actually grafted into God’s promising God’s people. So it’s like a remarkable thing, you know, but, and I think it’s so modern in so many ways. Now. Yeah, we don’t have like a nation of Egypt or anything. Look, we got massive pop culture, we have global, we have globalization, we have transnationalism, we have strings of influence like never before. And there’s a lot of people sitting in their living rooms going, Hey, I have a desire, like, with someone look. And they just don’t know, how does this thing, work and the problem, most of the times, they’re doing so much of this, you know, and so they spirituality, God, is really needed, because what happens is, it starts to take your focus off of all this and the injustice of it all. And will they ever see me and will ever live my dream? And it begins to say, okay, maybe something else need to happen, maybe I need to work on me. Maybe I need to navigate these relationships a little differently. Maybe, you know, there’s, there’s a, there’s a flux and a flow, so that God can begin to kind of break you down so that when you’re built up, you’re actually the you that you longed to be. And that’s really the key. Right?

Brandon Handley 12:13
So, if, if I’m following you, I mean, you know, the story is awesome, right? I can see kind of the, you know, modern day equivalents, and so many different applications, right? And where else can I? Where else can I Where else can I lay this story over? And it makes sense. And I can see it. The part that I would probably touch on, mostly is, you know, the humility that comes from spirituality. What do you mean by spirituality to yourself? It

Derek Webster 12:41
is it? Certainly the sense of the transcendent? Right, right. The first question that we all have to ask is, where do we even come up with the notion of God and notion of trying to get back to a god is where do we come up with the notion of a transcendent if there’s no transcendent? So some people like well, we made it up to explain the volcano that erupted. And it’s like, whoa, wait a second, we were migratory, before we settled under volcanoes, so that doesn’t fully explain it. And so here’s what the transcendent does for you. The transcending gives you a sense of place. And it allows you to begin a search for the transcendent personal, because the minute you start to search for existential meaning, and you start to go Okay, wait a second, is it possible that I’m not at the center of this universe? Because so much of our lives are about us, and we go, maybe there’s something bigger even in the world I’m trying to navigate. What happens is, our our hearts and our experience begin to open up, open us up to possibilities that we actually didn’t recognize before. And then we can start saying, okay, is the transcendent, impersonal? Is it multi personal? Is it eminently personal. And, of course, it could keep falling down the line. I happen to think it’s eminently personal. It’s singular. It’s a triune. God, I think it’s the one described in the Bible, but I, you know, this transcendence, it begins to give you a sense of place years ago, before Angela Merkel became prime minister, president of Germany, her predecessor was a noted atheist, and wasn’t a bad guy. Nice guy, you know, but when he was sworn in, because he was an atheist, he refused to put his hand on the Bible. And it was kind of a small minor hubbub, in kind of in Europe at the time. What bothered people is what was his what was so interesting about it, what bothered people wasn’t so much whether he believed or not in the Bible, that they were like, a lot of people like they didn’t even believe in that. But it was the sense of where does his ego stop if there’s no recognition that maybe There’s something bigger than me. Who is actually at the end of that train?

Brandon Handley 15:10
Yeah, that’s I mean, that’s that’s a good point, right? If you if you don’t have a connection to something greater than yourself, then even if you’re serving this community, like, Why, what’s the purpose behind it?

Derek Webster 15:24
The community? Where’s this SEO thing? Right? I mean, look, I mean, your own family, I’ll let you do. Kids will let you down.

Brandon Handley 15:35
While I go back to it, like, you know, the sense of transcendent, you were saying, it seems to me like you think is eminently personal, personal, personal. So, you know, I think that gets me to this, this idea of the, you know, the awakening or the transcendent that you have, and I believe somebody says, like this, your testimony to, you know, connection. Yeah.

Derek Webster 15:58
Yeah. And that’s, is that.

Brandon Handley 16:03
And that’s subjective, right. Like, I mean, you can’t force somebody else to feel that for you. And somebody else can’t feel it as you Solo is wholly subjective. Yeah.

Derek Webster 16:11
So wholly subjective. No. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, w h wholly subjective? No, I think it’s no, because I think it’s a combination of subjective and objective. I’ll give you an example. It’s subjective, that I’m in love with my wife. Yeah, right. But there are objective indications that I’m in love with my wife.

Brandon Handley 16:38
Sure, sure. Right. So what would you call it? You know, to get to have that experience, right, that transcendent experience? How could you help God? So

Derek Webster 16:51
it does come from the emptying of yourself, it really does. At some point, you got to take a bet on that something is out there that’s bigger than you. And you have to be willing to give that give yourself up. for that. I feel what the moment was for me, I am. You know, I started kind of really super intellectually, trying to figure out if God is alive, is he real? Is it made up? Is it cultural? Is it religious? If God is there, what kind of God are we talking about? You know, he she it spirit? Is all life suffering kind of the Buddhist mantra, isn’t it? Is it like, what are we looking at? And I started kind of whittling my way down mentally. But ultimately, it wasn’t, I didn’t get there mentally. So my mom, my dad was kind of a brain. And he was really smart, and we would have all those conversations. But my mom was the most joyful, both my parents have passed, my mom was the most joyful person I ever knew. And she suffered my whole life from a pretty horrific, horrific disease. And it’s one that would cause you know, drop most people to their knees. When when I was born, she was five foot eight, when she died, she was four foot 11 one leg, like, I mean, serious suffering, and yet, was more had more like, you know, when you live with someone you can tell between fakeness and realness. You know, we see someone in their underwear, it’s a little hard to hide. And families are kind of like that. And the challenge with living with my mom was she was genuine. And she had something that I didn’t have. And I had, I was healthy, and I was angry. And she was sick, and she was happy. And I just got ticked, to be honest with you. I just got I got a little bit fresh. And I told her, I said, You believe in Jesus, and you believe in God, and look what God did to you. So why would I want to follow that God? And he said, I’ll never forget it because it was one of those kind of zingers. You know, but it was really truthful. And it turned out is also really insightful. But she said, Derek, I would rather be sick and know Jesus to be healthy like you and not knowing he was the thing about that, that first of all, it’s a great comeback line, right? Like, I mean, come on, like game over. Right? Right. But here’s the kicker was she meant it? But I couldn’t wrap my head around. Okay, wait a second. If someone’s making it up to feel good. What and they had the possibility of being healthy. And you know, like whole, like, I don’t get one why would you not choose the whole unhealthy? Right? Even if it means losing this imagination construction, this guy thing that you’ve made up? Why wouldn’t you ditch that for the healthy? And it was the first time I realized, well, wait a second, maybe? I don’t know at all. Maybe I don’t see it all. And maybe there’s another reality that exists. And you know, we talked about when you’re talking about the supernatural, really, you’re talking about two realities in the same time and space. And most people like that’s not possible. It’s one reality, but it actually it is possible. And the way that I I can best describe it is this. nearly everybody knows what it’s like to be lonely in a crowded room. Right. But others would say that’s not possible. You’re in a crowded room. That’s the reality. But you’re going yeah, but I’m lonely. Yeah, prove it. Yeah. Like, I don’t know what to tell you. I’m just telling you, I’m lonely in a crowded room. And here’s the kicker, which is more powerful. The reality of your loneliness, or the reality of the crowded room. And so we know what it is to have realities that coexist in the same space. And so what I did for myself is I just kind of came to a point where I said, Okay, if this is real, like, if God if you’re there, I’ll give you everything nice to know, you. Don’t get everything. Like if I say that, I’ll give it all. And for me, at least, things change that dramatically. So that’s what?

Brandon Handley 21:24
Yeah, no. I mean, that’s in line with I think, a lot of these religions, right, like, I mean, I say it’s like, you know, once you kind of give yourself wholly over,

Derek Webster 21:38
it does the question, because it is up for you. Is it right? Or is it personal, this is why I say believe in the personal transcendent. And here’s what I mean. countered with being be if I can’t count the number of errors every day, if I spend the thing X number of times if I go and bathe in the river so many times. In other words, what happens is, when we reduce the transcendent, to a set of I’ll do this, in order to gain access to that. The challenge is, you’re gonna get sick one day, you’re gonna miss the count. And now you have to come up with a system to reconcile that. Yeah, I don’t care I don’t really want to talk with it’s, it’s the kind of relationship that’s accounting kind of relationship. I think it’s a personal relationship. And because of that, I think that there’s grace, and there are still standards. So for me, there’s nothing I can do. Right? That’s going to somehow magically transformed me. I’ve already tried that. But what I can do is continue to kind of recognize my place in the universe know that my life is actually owned by someone else. And then what happens is, my world actually opens up for me. And so now the transformation part comes as a natural result of ownership and control and meet letting go. And so a lot of my process has just been, okay, man, I gotta let go of this. And me too, like, you know, this thing.

Brandon Handley 23:15
It says, Yeah, just surrender and letting go is something that comes up? Well,

Derek Webster 23:20
I think, mechanism not that much different in different areas of my life, because I think most things are character transformations. If we really, if you really distill it down, right, you’re going from angry to loving, right? You’re or non angry or peaceful. And so it’s a character transformation. So the question becomes, what’s the mechanism? And the answer is, I don’t know, it depends on how stubborn I am in that characteristic. You know, like, St. JOHN, the Cross has something called the dark night of the soul. And he talks about how, look, you know, there are some things that have to be drummed out of you by absence. And until you’re like, Okay, alright, so I got to learn devotion, kind of just by deciding there are things that that I think relinquish because the transcendent thing isn’t working for you. Right, this is like

Brandon Handley 24:15
Sure, that’s a good word, though. I think I think you threw out a good one there too. If you don’t mind me jumping in. There’s a devotion right? So kind of like, would you say outside of this counting, counting the numbers or counting all the prayers and like this whole counting system? Yeah. That if you just kind of live your life in devotion, or in service of that, that’s how you kind of read it and that’s like that, that’s that becomes like your

Derek Webster 24:38
Yeah, I would go even further than probably what yours looks like life, lived their lives into those into something or someone bigger than them. Right. And the people who get closest they’re like Publix, I’m in a public service or I love to bring comedians are great. I love being bring joy to people or, you know, they it’s not viewed purely in terms of Look at me. And so and they feel as if they’re contributing to something greater. So, when you devote yourself you can, you can devote yourself to the thing. And, and that’s okay, I happen to think that picking the thing can be problematic for some people, they have a clear call, this is the thing, I’m gonna go eradicate cancer in my lifetime. And that’s a phenomenal my concern has always been, what if you go after like, I’m gonna eliminate horseshoes on horses, and you never see the car come along. And so you think you’re making this big dent, you know? And, and it’s not that so I have to, for me, I have to kind of go Okay, first, I trust the outcome to God. Second, I’m just going to focus on whatever is in front of me. And third, because I’m devoted, the question becomes does my inner world match the aspiration of this God that I follow? And so thankfully, for me, I have a kind of a standard, I’d like a, you know, we have a sacred text in the Bible. That kind of helps inform kind of standards and give some guidance and teachings that’s why I so like the story of Joseph is because there’s like, people tend to look at that and they go, Wait, isn’t that a musical? Like, isn’t that like, what is that all about? Why is that guy even in there? Is he just there to get is that story there just to get the Israelites in Egypt so they can get out again by the Red Sea is that was there. But actually, it’s super instructive on like, what it means. I would say, not just find God, but really follow God and realize your potential. And that’s why I named the book your mess, God’s masterpiece guide. I think Joseph has this great line in there. He says, what you designed for evil, God had for good. And God has the ability to take a crooked stick and draw a straight line. You know, and that’s good news for me, because I’m like a cricket stick and God can do something.

Brandon Handley 26:58
Now for sure, I think that also indicates that you know, just because what you think this tool or this thing or this action is pleased in times face is designed for? It was actually designed for something else for

Derek Webster 27:12
your benefit? Think about it this way. So ultimately, he didn’t Joseph like, like too long to be even greater. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:21
Yeah, absolutely. Right. Yeah. I mean, it’s, you know, what’s the what’s the Yeah, you know, GE has ways that we know not have right, like, I mean, we’re saying, we don’t know, and that’s one of the things to me, is that that, um, you know, here? Well, here we are, we’re trying to figure it all out on our own, right. If we can’t accept this x two thing, how can we ever accept this divine grace? That’s innate for everybody. And always, they’re always available for everybody. And here we are, we’re, we’re plodding away thinking it’s just us sauce, it’s gonna be a long, cold, hard road, and it’s gonna be tough. And then you know, if you if you can open up to this other space in place, like we’re talking about here, some of the things become possible that you had no idea as long as you like, oh, by the way, it’s interesting that performance coach is talking about. So

Derek Webster 28:10
I love what you said, you look at like so much gurus, they talk about losing yourself, right? Even the state of flow is, which is, you know, which is this mental state being in the zone is the state of losing yourself. And so it’s interesting to me that, for you to be the very best person you have to be to give up some aspect of control and be other focused, it doesn’t mean that you’re not that you don’t have free will, it doesn’t mean that you can’t do great things. It just means that at some point, you’ve got to go Wait, my life isn’t about me.

Unknown Speaker 28:47
Yeah, yeah. I

Brandon Handley 28:48
mean, it’s, it’s a tough, it’s tough term sometimes. Right? I mean, I’m no stranger to it. And I’m not saying that. I’ve even made the turn wholly myself. Yeah, but I’m familiar with some of the moves to make that that change. Right. And so it’s definitely interesting. And, you know, to do it, I think, I think you touched on it a little bit before, it’s like you have to do it. In this fake manner, will never serve you. Right. But, you know, you got to get there somehow. And I’m always a big fan of when I first my first podcast was called fatherhood for the rest of us, right. And I started it for all I was doing all the right things, but for the wrong reasons. Right. And then there was a somewhere in between there that that I fell into the right space in place that my audio had to match my video at a certain point in time, it just it just happened. And um, you know, ever since then, it’s just been this this road towards, you know, how can I be of service and not just to give everything of myself away, but like to be a true service other than myself and as

Derek Webster 29:52
eminently things and I think people tell them to esoteric out, but it’s not it’s practical, right and it routes you and he ability, which gives you confidence allows you to seize your moment. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:07
Sure. I love that line. I think that’s fantastic. I really do. So rock Yeah. For you, you know, spiritual speed dating, right? Like so somebody listening today is looking to date you. They’re in the spiritual in the spiritual realm. And, you know, I’ve got 20 questions for every spiritual seeker and I just kind of pick one at random, I think this is a good one for you. Because you’re in there, and you’re working on it with zoos. So yeah.

Derek Webster 30:30
What is the relationship? It’s relationships complimentary. When, when the most great scientists, and most great science, even this, the scientific method really emerged from men or women of faith. And the reason was a sense of discovery. The whole idea that says, Can the transcendent, can I get discovered? Can I be known? I can, if I’m looking at the transcendent, and I believe, for instance, in God, if God created the universe, then I’m curious about the universe. So how did he create it? And so the scientific method at its best, is really a search, where the science in general is at its best is a search for what is true. And in the true, and the transcendent, can go hand in hand, and they’re not divorced from each other. I think one of the great misnomers is people feel like they have to pick between science or God, and, or transcendence or however you decide to coin that. But but I think it’s a it’s a false dichotomy. And I think it’s one that was born out of philosophy and not science.

Brandon Handley 31:45
I know we can go deeper now, but we don’t have too much time. But I think that that’s a great answer. And I feel like you’ve answered that one before. So

Derek Webster 31:51
no, not really, I get it. Sometimes I won’t come up to you at all. Like, I get the you know, even this morning, I get questions like how do I know that the prophecies are true? How do I know that I can trust this? I get probably more questions about trust and significance. So whenever science comes up as a question to me, usually it’s framed with how do I know I can trust it or not? But it’s not it’s not something I deal with every day.

Derek Webster 32:41
looking to totally get an initial starting. Right. All right. I’m curious. I want to know, you know,

Brandon Handley 32:25
Got it? No, I appreciate that. It’s just it was a great answer. And I think that I like I liked it I liked the idea right there complimentary You know, you’re you’re you’re searching for the truth what makes us who we are and what makes things work and and in search for, you know, our inner we’re

Brandon Handley 32:52
we’ll think the right now for sure, for sure. Derek has been fantastic. Thank you so much for coming on today. Love Love loves in your car, which putting out there sure.

Derek Webster 33:02
Where should I send this thing goes to lynda.com. That’s a place that they can go another place they can get to is gracepoint.us. So gra CEPOINT with an e.us and that’ll get you to me. But But yeah, those are two great spots. You can go you can find me on Facebook or Insta or you can go to parrot cleat press. I have an author page there. Thank you so much. Appreciate it, Brandon. Awesome. JACK. Thanks so much for being on today.

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Erin McCullough Spiritual Dope

Erin McCullough is a thought leader, an in-demand speaker and an international teacher that helps people create IMPENETRABLE JOY so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life, NOW! Erin had an Anxiety Disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year. Through that experience she learned how and why that happened and developed strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she now teaches. Erin vowed that when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience, so that has been her mission. Erin spent a decade studying the Mind/Body connection, Visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decade she has created simple strategies to Overcoming and Preventing Anxiety, Stress, Worry and Overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally in Joy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are and what you are meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy.

Connect with Erin at https://www.erin-mac.com/

The transcript below is machine-generated and unedited.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Erin McCullough. She is a thought leader in the main speaker and an international teacher that helps people create impenetrable joy so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life. Now, Erin had an anxiety disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year, through that experience to learn how and why that happened and develop strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she’s now teaches. and vowed that she, when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience. So that has been her mission. There’s been a decade, studying the mind body connection, visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decades, she’s created simple strategies to overcoming and preventing anxiety, stress, worry and overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally enjoy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are, and what you’re meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy. Erin, thanks for your work in through the technical difficulties. As a as I told you, I’m working on this newer platform. But thanks for thanks for joining today. How you doing?

Erin Mac 2:05
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. I’m wonderful. How

Brandon Handley 2:08
are you never been better. My whole life has led up to this point. So you know, here we are. Here we are. So I like to start these off with the idea that we are deal sources. We’re talking about like a little bit before we got started here that we are all our source and that the universe speaks through us. And that right now in this moment, the universe is speaking through you to one of the listeners today. What do you have to tell that listener?

Erin Mac 2:36
Well, first and foremost, I believe it is our birthright to be predominantly in joy all day, every day. And if that’s not the experience you’re having, then keep listening. We’re going to talk about all the things strategies, and you know why we’re here what we’re meant to be doing. You know, all the things,

Brandon Handley 2:59
all the things all the things that I love, I love that you kind of chose joy had to go out and I had to go out and grab my, my joy mug. Oh, no. It’s actually like pretty much one of my favorite mugs right as the idea of what you kind of see out first thing I pick up and I carry around, I see I get to see the word joy everywhere I go when I’m drinking out of the mug. So definitely enjoy it. definitely enjoy the word joy and glad that we have the opportunity to talk about it. And I’m also going to be very honest with you. Before I went in, I checked you out a little bit more I was like what kind of fit is this? Right? What kind of fit is this? Because, you know, being a you know, more of a thought leader and all this I suppose like what’s the spirituality fit me and you know, so in your mind, though, like the work that you do is spiritual, you know, the the personal development is spirituality work. Is that set? Right? Is that fair? Yeah. Well, let’s talk about let’s talk about the journey, right, let’s talk about breaking through anxiety. Let’s talk about, you know, how you found yourself in an anxious position and kind of some of the things that you did to work your way through it.

Erin Mac 4:06
Awesome. So you know, my story has kind of like three moments, defining moments, if you will. The first started with the anxiety disorder that you spoke about. It actually came about in talk therapy. I was going to a couple’s group counseling with my husband at the time. And in that first session, I had a panic attack and I never had one before so I had no idea what it was. And the counselor picked up on it right away she explained all you know what it was and first she told me what it was she didn’t really exactly explain what it was. I figured that out later, but she told me that’s what was happening and and from there, you know, she said something’s obviously coming up for you. Would you like to do some individual work and In that individual work, you know, I was telling my trauma story over and over and over again. And what my body decided to do was put up the defense mechanism of anxiety. And so it got so bad that as you said, I hold myself up in my home. You know, it didn’t, it wasn’t an overnight thing and happened gradually, panic attacks, more panic attacks, then, you know, I had one was running, and I was training for a race at the time. And so I felt like I couldn’t run anymore, at least temporarily. And so I stopped running. And then I stopped teaching, I was a teacher at the time. And so it happens that way, you know, slowly, it’s not just one, you know, wake up, and, and no candu. After about nine months of that, she referred me to a homeopathic psychiatrist, who gave me a remedy after a three hour interview, that in 20 minutes basically cured me from the experience of anxiety. That’s the physical chemical piece, right? And I thought, wow, I have a new lease on life, you know, I can go and do all these things. But because of that experience, I was afraid, right. So I decided to move to Hawaii, and move to a small town and have a simpler life, right? Thinking that, you know, then I would never get triggered. And I would just live my life happily ever after in paradise. And unfortunately, while the chemistry piece was handled the mental emotional spiritual piece, not so much. And so I was still there. So in that simpler life, of course, I created anxiety, stress, and all that. So I moved to Hawaii. Immediately, in the first 24 hours, I started a business and I had a client. Within 18 months, I had 20 employees, multiple six figure contracts. And, you know, I was on my way to stress and anxiety. And the second thing that happened that really rocked me to my core was I 10 years into my business of just being frantic and crazy, stressed all the time. A client called in the morning, she was upset, and I would just get so frantic about clients complaining, they got in my car, raced over to a friend’s house, backed into a driveway to drop my daughter off, and I sideswiped her husband’s car or her his truck with my car. And come to find out later, when I came to pick up my daughter, that her husband was under the truck working on it while I hit it, and he thought it was gonna land on him. And that just rocked me to my core, I thought, This is ridiculous. Like, this is no life, you know, running around like a crazy person all the time. And so then I dove, you know, into self development, got involved with a seminar company did all their seminar staff for them, and started to see that there was a different way to be in this world, and starting to make some changes, that we’re having an impact on my life and other people around me. And then about five years later, I

found myself in the middle of a divorce. And for whatever reason, it just leveled me, I was in a dark place. And I thought, you know, I’d spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on seminars, reading all the books, you know, trying to do this other life, but I didn’t really have any legit strategies to doing life differently. So then a series of things happened. I picked up the book, maybe you’ve heard of it, the Course in Miracles, and was about a month and two reading. It’s a daily passage for about a year 365 passages. And nothing I was kinda like, this is interesting, but not really rocking my world. Then all of a sudden, month two, this crazy thing happened where the word started, like popping off the page. It was like the path is joy. The answer is joy, joy, joy, joy. And I was like, finally after a couple weeks of that, I was like literally threw my hands up in the air. I was like, I got the answer. How do I get there? And a series of things happened. I got an email from a gentleman I met. He was teaching a seminar in a wahoo and I thought I’ll fly over for that. I have no idea what it is doesn’t matter just need something positive. And I went and it was a day long seminar on a visualization process that he teaches. And I was so excited by it. I came home and I started using it immediately called my broker who had had my business for sale for like nine months with no bites. And I was like look, I just want to let you know my business is going to sell by the end of the month and there’s going to be a bidding war. And it was like, okay, and long behold a week later That’s exactly what happened. And then I went back and trained this gentleman that I had gone to that seminar, he was having a seminar, to train people to teach his main seminar. And I went and trained for a week I came home, put on my first seminar, and I stood in front of this group of people, and I ditched my notes, five minutes in, because I had this crazy experience where like, everything that I had ever learned, all of my life experience, everything I had ever read, just came together, like at one moment, I went, Whoa, like, this is what I’m supposed to do. Like, I’m supposed to teach people how to find their joy, cultivated daily, and live the life that they’re meant to be living now, without waiting for all the things or the, you know, whatever they think they need to have in order to have that, like, that’s available now. And I happen to also during that few week period, meet the love of my life in these very random circumstances, which I don’t believe in random anymore. And, and so it just all lined up. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last almost four years.

Brandon Handley 11:11
That’s awesome. I mean, and it’s interesting, right, that you came, you kind of came out of a, from what I gathered was more of a business oriented kind of thing versus this pursuit of joy, right, are you that you’re doing now? And I think that I heard you say, on another podcast that, you know, maybe some of this is Woo, but if it is, woo, it’s working out for you. And and you’re okay with it, right?

Erin Mac 11:39
I mean, that’s the thing, you know, people always say, Oh, that’s kind of woowoo. For me, I’m like, I’m looking at woowoo people, they look pretty happy as all I can say. Something too, and

Brandon Handley 11:50
it’s pretty amazing. The idea to have, you know, just try some of these things out for the first time. Very go into a very skeptical, right, this vision process that you’re doing that you’re thinking about, while it seems pretty cool. But then you you go and you try it. And then things start working out. Right. I mean, talk to me a little bit about that. So how did that have that come? And like kind of manifest itself? What was some of your initial reactions when you saw, were even calling it the universe? And what were you calling it? Well, like, what was your know, kind of how, how was that for you?

Erin Mac 12:30
You know, it’s kind of crazy, because you know, how it’s like life. I mean, again, it’s like life unfolds slowly. And you don’t recognize exactly what’s going on. So you look back and go, Whoa, like, look at all these things that happened. That’s crazy. It took me a while to even recognize how much I knew that I was feeling better that I knew. And honestly, you know, I just, I thought I knew what joy was, I thought I knew what happiness was. The thing was, is I was on this, like, roller coaster ride of things, right? It was just like I was so 100% bought into the idea that if I had all the things, you know, a stack of cash, and the house and the car and the successful business, and all the things that we’re told is gonna make us be happy. I had all those things, and I was so miserable, right? But I didn’t even know that it was possible to experience joy. Do you know what I mean? Like I really just didn’t even know what was available.

Brandon Handley 13:39
So I think it’s really interesting that you bring it up, right? I think there’s this, you know, Tale of Two Cities type of thing, where you went, and you got all these things, and you did all the things because this is what we’re taught. But that’s been my experience is like, hey, go through all these things. Because this is what you’re taught. Right? And you’re not doing it maybe with the same intent that some of these other people are doing it right, you’re doing it to a mass and acquire and to be happy and to have status versus what you’re doing now, which is to implement, purpose, intent, and service, right, and the outcome that you’re headed towards now. Right? If you haven’t, I’m sure you’ve already achieved. I mean, listen, if you landed in Hawaii has some clients on the first day and you know, whatever, you know, a mask pretty quick like that, you know, whatever it is that you’re doing right now, I’m assuming is successful, in one way or another, right? And but now it’s aligned to who you are with your purpose and there’s fulfillment and joy in that and the rest of it just kind of comes naturally, right? It comes as a byproduct of that intent and that purpose versus if you could compare To the way that you are running life before, right? You were miserable. You were like, anxious and you know, knocking people’s trucks over on him. Right? And now I’d like you’re doing maybe the same work, I don’t know. But what’s the effort feel like, compared to what you’re the effort felt like before.

Erin Mac 15:21
I mean, you’re, you hit it right on the head, like I am 100% in service of people and myself. And while that may sound selfish, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of where you got to be when you’re in service to people in this way, you know, and it’s a whole different experience, you know, before it just felt like I was grinding, grinding, grinding all the time, you know, like, it took all these things in order to make success, like I really, you know, there are these ideas that we have from a young age, you know, success looks like this formula. It’s right. It’s like, it’s like, hard work plus luck, right, you know, like this, you know, formula of success. And I was 100% bought into that, too. And now, it’s not like that, it’s like, it doesn’t seem like work. It’s not a four letter word anymore. For me, it’s 100%. Like, like, when I give to clients, I give to myself, like, it’s such a win win. Whereas I definitely didn’t function that way in my life before 100%. And now it’s like, you know, while I still have to negotiate, you know, time, you know, balance the things out in my life, this never feels like something I’ve have to do. Like, I’m excited to do it all the time. I feel called to share what I know, because it’s had such a profound impact on my life.

Brandon Handley 16:51
I think it’s interesting to how, you know, on your first seminar, you kind of tossed off to the side and everything you ever knew, kind of fell into this framework. Right, and you were able to just let it freely flow. Right? I mean, what, what looking back, what would you say happened there?

Erin Mac 17:15
Oh, I, I was, you know, I think we’re guided all the time. I think we have support all the time, from all the things, you know, universe, energy in general, you know, I mean, scientifically speaking, energy cannot be destroyed. So every person who’s lived, their energy is here to you know, and, you know, that’s why people talk to loved ones that have passed, and, you know, like, they still the energy is still hear it’s exist, so why not tap into those things? I think, you know, it happens to me all the time. And I’m not gonna lie, it was freaky. You know, because it’s, you know, for somebody who’s like a recovered control freak, you know, a bunch of people and all of a sudden, just free flowing. And not to say it was just random all over the place is still stuck to, you know, we had a workbook and things but, you know, to go off the notes, I still do that. And I just, and I, and I recognize, I mean, even sometimes when I’m on podcasts, like, I’ll just, I’ll wake up in the middle of it and go, Oh, like I, you know, I wouldn’t say it’s me, I want to say channeling, but it’s like, it’s taking energy that exists. Like what I’m telling what I tell people and how I’m in service to people and the information that I share with people. Like it’s not new to me, like I didn’t make this stuff. Right. Right. Right. This is a real learning. Right, right. And when I’m teaching, I see it in the students, it’s like, they can hear me on a deep level, even if they’re not consciously aware of what I’m saying. They’re feeling on a deep level. And that’s coming from not me, you know, I mean, I hear it and I can disseminate that information, distill it down. But it’s, it’s exists, we’re all connected to it one way or another.

Brandon Handley 19:06
No, 100%, right. Truth resonates. And that’s the kind of that that’s the experience and you’re talking to somebody else. And you’re in a room with with these people and and you’re having a truth session on the value column, right? It’s your truth, this is kind of coming through you. And you’re like, I don’t even know, I didn’t even know I could do that. Right? But then, but then the rest of the room is resonating with you. And to me, that’s kind of what it sounds like as happening. And you know, call it channeling. It’s funny too, because, like we we still have our limitations on what we’ll call it, right? Like, I don’t know that. Yeah, I don’t know, I call it channeling I don’t know, you know, whatever. But you know, what you’re doing is you’re at least letting yourself open to, to it, whatever, whatever it is, to come through and to to and through you. Right as a kind of a receiver translator as it were.

Erin Mac 19:59
That’s it. receiver for sure, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and I think we’re all we all have that ability.

Brandon Handley 20:07
I mean, it’s an eight, right. And so, I mean, I don’t know how old your kids are, you know, I’ve got my, my nine year old. And it’s so and and my older child to 11. But you know, it’s so obvious just how like innately in tuned. The children are, right as as as it is and, and then you can kind of watch it literally be kind of like almost a brainwash, but brainwashed out of them, right, like, you know, just kind of have those senses gold and like, you know, go through like this other thing, and you just kind of watch it, you’re like, wow, that’s crazy. Because we go through this relearning experience later in life. Are you an Alan Watts fan? I don’t know who that is. Oh, my gosh, come on now. All right. Alan Watts. Yeah, Alan Watts. You know, he’s a kind of philosopher made. Popular lies, Zen Buddhism. And in the West, West, it’s like in the 60s 70s, right? English guy, you really enjoy him. One of the things that he talks about those, it’s like, it’s like, we’re like salted beef, right? We get all salted and you got it. You got to desalinate that beef. And then you’re like, you’re back to your natural state at a certain point. And that’s, again, sounds to me. I like the way you’re the way you’re going. Right? You’re feeling into it. The what was the cure? I mean, because you had the homeopathic guy, right comes and gives you the cure. What was it? Do you recall? Was it like, a miracle pill? You know, help me out here.

Erin Mac 21:51
Now Now what? homeopathy is so interesting. It’s so distilled down the amount of whatever the substances may come in. Have you ever taken it before? That’s like little tinctures, tablet. They’re little pills. Yeah, no, tiny, tiny little granules. And, and they taste like sugar. And they have just, I mean, it’s almost like they have essence of the thing. And it really is for the purpose of sort of writing your own self, right? So you introduce it to the body, and the body goes, Oh, that’s right. We use a function fairly normally, in this stage. Here’s the thing that I need. And interestingly enough, when she gave me the remedy, she told me what it was called. And she said, I don’t want you to research it. And this is pre internet. It’s not pre internet, but it was definitely internet was not a thing. Really. This was like 99, there was no Google. Yeah, it was not, there was no verb called Google it. And so, you know, she was just like, I don’t want you to research this. And, you know, just see what happens or whatever. And, you know, and I, I mean, I almost don’t want to say what it is because I don’t want people with anxiety to think that that’s the cure all it’s not the cure all, it was just the thing that made me feel better enough to get on the path to recognizing that the work is internal, emotional, spiritual, and then the body follows.

Brandon Handley 23:29
It’s so interesting, though, right? Because we, we’ve, we believe the other way around, right? Because we see the things that everybody’s doing, but we can’t see the inner work, we can’t see how they’re thinking, functioning, or directing themselves internally to get to that point. So we’re like, Alright, well, I’m just gonna go do all those same things. Right? And it doesn’t it doesn’t work out, right? Because we’re not we’re not aligning all three of those pieces of ourselves together. We’re just like, we’re hammering on one at a time. Right?

Erin Mac 24:02
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you see people they have you know, I work with a lot of people who have cancer and other diseases because that’s mental emotional, spiritual two, I believe were three equal parts you know, mind body spirit. And if any of those are out of alignment or out of balance, it’s going to show up in the other ones right and in a negative way or and that not wanted way. And often we can, you know, we can skip past mental and spiritual right we can we have all kinds of ways to not feel and acknowledge and, you know, the obvious ones are drugs and alcohol, the less obvious ones are things like being super busy, not ever having any stillness in our life, you know, being helicopter parents, you know, the SWAMI we spend all day every day Trying not to feel any. And, you know, and so you can imagine, and we’ve done it from a young age, like, it’s not really our fault. It’s, you know, we’ve grown up to this idea that we’re not supposed to have emotions, we’re not supposed to feel those things, only very controlled and in very specific ways, depending on the environment, you know, like, can’t cry in a business meeting, you know, you know, are you crying out to lose it? No crying in baseball.

Brandon Handley 25:32
I know, my first, my first go around, like in the podcast room and coaching space was fatherhood. And a big point of what you’re saying there’s is especially as Western civilization, men, emotions, come on now. You know, yeah. That’s it. I mean, and that’s a brilliant question too. Because we don’t know, we don’t know, one of the one of the tools that I use, often is the blue check wheel, right? Just just has the emotions kind of listed out, I hand it to my clients, I’m like, you know, go through it. You know, take a look at this every day, if you don’t know what this one means. Or if you if you think that you do, go double check the definition of that and just see kind of how you’re applying it in your life and how you can use it to, you know, acknowledge your situation, because we don’t we, I suppose I was like, 40, or something I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I was, I guess, like, you know what, because I had a, I had a coaching friend, he goes, because Brandon, I’m not hearing anything emotional, or there’s nothing emotional. I was like, Oh, let me go check that out. I was like, Well, I

Erin Mac 26:32
mean, unfortunately, our society, especially for a man, like you really only allowed to anger is the only like, standout emotion and now, that’s just as tragic. But that’s changing slowly, as

Brandon Handley 26:45
well. You know, I like to call kind of where we are right now in whatever culture like a hippie 2.0 situation. Right? Right. We’re kind of like a hippie 2.0 situation where like, okay, like, maybe if we don’t deal with all the drugs, it’ll work out better this time, right, like, cut it out on like, the illegal substances. And, you know, we can still get to this place, mentally and spiritually, right. And, and, and since we’re seeing that, there’s, there’s the actual benefits are being seen and heard, and, and I think that the pandemic had such a huge influence, because nobody was spared. Right? If anything good came out of level, it’s like, it’s like, level set everything. So, so for the, you know, for the CEO, or business leader that could normally like hop on a plane and do everything that like, his employees couldn’t, he was stuck at home to with the kids having to deal with the zoom meetings. He wasn’t getting a you know, he wasn’t getting a free ride out of it. Right. And so his mental, her mental health was impacted as well. And they’re like, Oh, shit, everybody’s gone through this, we’d better do something. Right. So we see, right? I mean, so I think there’s some benefit out of this whole COVID situation to huge, right, right, the right mental health space of people, spaces, places and things. So if I am coming to you, and I am like, the client type I am is who you were before you got to this choice spot, right? Um, you know, I’ve got success, not like, you know, I’m not Whoo, kind of guy, my calendars, you know, tight and all this stuff. What are you what are some of the first things that we’re gonna do together?

Erin Mac 28:39
First, we’re going to acknowledge and begin to make some separation between the story that’s been running your life, you know, the story of all the rainbows and sunshine, a story of all the, you know, the yucky, the fit, the unfair, the unjust, the abuse, trauma, all those things, not for the purpose of wallowing in and you know, it just to acknowledge where we started, and maybe what’s affecting some of the ways that we see this world, how we perceive people and circumstances, and then take that story and recognize it for what it is the gift that it has been, and will continue to be in terms of showing us where healing and growth can take place. And you know less about all the things all the details in terms of, you know, who and what happened and all of those things. It’s really more about what did you decide about you because of that story. Those are the beliefs and then when we recognize some of those beliefs, then we can understand that, you know, that’s been playing out in the background, that’s the wallpaper so to speak of our lives, you know, where we make decisions from and a lot of the decisions are fantastic. We need not mess with those, but the ones that aren’t serving the future that we want to create. Those are the ones we want to take a closer look at. And so then, from there, I have people do a day, I have them write out a narrative of the day in the life of everything they ever wanted to create in our life, you know, all outcome based, you know, all you know, all the fields, you know, touch, taste, see, smell the whole deal. So exciting, you know, ever, like literally for a moment, wake up until moment go to sleep one day with everything in it, all the people, all the circumstances, all the outcomes. And then they use that in a visualization. And they start their day, because that’s where I found my joy was in that visualization. Understanding a day in the life now, is it about manifesting? Not exactly. It’s really about elevating the emotional experience, because you have that at your disposal at all times. And so we learn that we can our body doesn’t forget things. So when I’m in my visualization in the morning, like, My arms are in the air, I’m like, super excited, like, yes, that just happened. And then yes, that happened to and I mean, tears of joy streaming down my face. I mean, it’s all the things, I’m 100%. And on every level, I’ve raised my emotional experience. And then, like I said, the body doesn’t forget. So when you have that experience, you can recall it at any time. So when you’re going throughout your day, things start to go south, you can put yourself Take a moment, close your eyes, put yourself back into that moment, refocus and move on, versus what most people do is go out, this thing’s not working out. And then there’s all these other things that aren’t working out, there’s that thing, and then there’s another thing I didn’t like, and then this other person, and then you know, and so just got to read the brain and just, it loves to do the same stuff over and over again, and act like it’s new.

Brandon Handley 32:08
Yeah, it’s not. I mean, I think the idea of the brain, right, it’s, uh, likes to be an efficient piece of machinery, right? consumes so much energy, the more efficient it can be. And so let’s just keep doing this thing, because it’s just, you know, hasn’t killed us in the past? Right? If we just keep doing this, we will die. And we may not be enjoying our lives. But you know, it, you know, hasn’t killed us before. So I enjoy I enjoy the visualization. And and I think that there’s a big piece of what you’re saying there that a lot of people when you’re doing these exercises, don’t hammer home, I think, quite enough. And that’s something I think you’re touching on is the idea of the feels. Right. So my guess is that this is kind of a writing in the present tense exercise. Right?

Erin Mac 33:00
Yeah, preferably, you know, again, outcome base, so you want to say in gratitude, right, because of high vibration, it’s, you know, I’m so grateful that, you know, all these things are happening in my life, you know, as though they’ve happened already, as they exist in the now. Right. And they will, in your visualization, they exist as already taken place, and done deal.

Brandon Handley 33:25
Right. And I think that, that the idea is that I’m just, I’m just feeling your words now. Because I heard you saying earlier today, the idea is that, you know, what wants to give us the idea that right, so if I can feel it right now, then what’s that doing for me?

Erin Mac 33:42
Yeah, that’s creating, so I can’t tell you how to get all the things. I mean, I think, you know, for me, they’ve come by being in that elevated state. And so, you know, I, what I help with is changing the experience of life, you know, and I think that’s a heck of a lot more important than amassing things, you know, if, if I could show you how to change your experience in your life to joy, right now, by doing this visualization, that seems more valuable to me than, you know, telling you how to make six figure seven figures, whatever, you know, to me, other people, you know, they have other ideas, and that’s wonderful. And, and I don’t proclaim to, you know, claim to be able to help with those things. But I know how to find joy and I know how to cultivate it so that you can have that experience. And that’s, you know, that’s the first step is to recognize that you are responsible for your experience and when you know this, not in like fault blame shame kind of a way, in an empowering way, then you can just choose and choose and choose. Just keep choosing that thing that makes you feel good now, it doesn’t change anything, have goals, do all the other stuff, too. That’s amazing. But, you know, given that we only have this moment here, guaranteed why not make this one enjoyable? You know?

Brandon Handley 35:16
Yeah, no, agreed, agreed. And, you know, if I’m, if I’m, if I’m a law of attraction guy, if I’m, you know, in that space, right, this is how I would, you know, kind of liken it would, and I don’t know who it is, there’s plenty of them out there. That’s like, you know, the happiness doesn’t kind of come later comes now, right. And if you can be happy now, and whatever the circumstance, like you’re talking about, then you can make that choice. Again, like you’re talking about all the time. You can find joy all the time, and anything and all you’ve got to do is again, like you’re saying, If I go through the morning, and I had this visualization, I’m like, Well, I’m feeling the feels. It’s all there for me, everything’s great. Ah, and then like, you know, late in the day, I’m not so feeling the feels. And I’m like, Well, wait a second. early in the day, I was feeling the feels. And this was like that kind of anchor point. Right? Let me get back to that for a second. Because I created that moment for myself. Right, versus kind of letting something outside of me create that it was me who did that Creator of all these things, then, here I am. I’m always like, kind of high vibe. And I’m always like, buzzing, right. And then, you know, you’re basically sending that out into the universe, right? Like, just kind of this this high vibe. And, you know, if we act as if the universe is a force multiplier, right? We know that like anything, you’d come out and throw out, there’s coming back at you like, Well, I better stop, throw a monkey poo, right, like and start the things that I could really use in my life that I want in my life. And then you know, and visualize that and see it, feel it and release it right. I think that’s important, too, is kind of just like, release it and not hang on to the idea that it has to happen, right? You’re talking about the people that are like, well, this, Aaron, I tried this for three days, and it didn’t show up. My life did not change the way you said it was. And I’ve you know, I’ve been doing all the things you tell me to do. But I mean, the idea, again, is to go through those fields, have them do the visualization. And release it because again, you’re creating your own, you’re creating your own space, please in time, let’s face that, right.

Erin Mac 37:25
Yeah. And I got two things to say about that. One is I want to talk about the difference between happiness, his idea of happiness and joy, because they’re different. And I forgot what the other one is. But I’ll talk about the happiness, the joy, that one the rest will come. Right. So to me the difference between happiness and joy is that happiness is fleeting, right? It’s you get the new car, it’s amazing. Eventually, it’s just a car, right? It gets you from A to B, and this game of, you know, getting the things to make you feel good, it feels good for like this amount of time, right. And I only know that because I did all those things. I had the houses and the cars and the successful business and the time flexibility, all the things that everybody would want. And I literally kept like going over finish lines. And going, yay, hooray. I’m happy right now. And then, like, when I was doing trap all the stuff of go across the finish line, I would go home after celebrating for like five minutes. I mean, maybe like half hour or whatever, go home and find another race that I could either crush my time in that was longer hard or whatever. Like there was no end to it, like a couldn’t win that race ever. Joy, on the other hand, encompasses some of the you know, the exuberance and all of that Not always, but it can include those. But it also has these nuances of like stillness and peace of mind, which is not thinking all the time thing. Or overthinking and calm. Right. And so those nuances are available and so rich, you know, they’re either things I didn’t know existed. I had no I mean, maybe I’d heard those words before, but I didn’t really understand them on a deeper level. You know, and so, those differences are important, because the one you just can’t win out. So yeah, get all the things and be super abundant and all the ways just recognize that the journey inside is the one that has purpose and meaning the one on the outside where we collect things. Those are super cool and fun too. They just don’t. They don’t fill you up as a human

Brandon Handley 40:01
I think that I think that those are important distinctions, right? Happiness quick and fleeting, right? and joy is a little bit more kind of like a long lasting coal and Ember of warmth, right? Yeah. But a state of being. Yeah. So let me see here. Two things, two things. So I liken this, what we’re doing here is like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody’s gonna, somebody’s gonna tune in, they’re like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. Right? And, and this could be you. So I’m gonna ask you at least one kind of, you know, question is that, uh, you know, let me see here, whoa, yeah. Why are so many people depressed?

Erin Mac 40:47
Okay, so call it depression, call it anxiety, call it whatever you want any low level experience, which is anything that doesn’t feel good stress, overwhelm, worry, all those lovely words, they’re the same thing. They are the experience of the human wanting to control people and circumstances to fit in how they want them to show up, or they don’t feel good. And the unconscious recognition at the same time that it is impossible to control people and circumstances and events to fit into your agenda. And so you can see where that those two things butting up against each other would create some confusion. And so that confusion looks like anxiety, depression, you know, all the it’s, we have this new, we’ve touched on it before the belief thing, right? So it’s foundational, we made up everybody has them. I’ve not met anybody yet, who does not have these very core ones that are things like, I don’t deserve, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable, you know. And they’re all basically the same thing. Like, I’m not good enough. And so those are underlying all of our decisions and how we’re feeling about ourselves. And then we interact with other people. Based on those beliefs, we have decided what’s right and wrong. So that’s how people are supposed to show up for us, and how circumstances are supposed to show up for us. And so we got into this habit of we learned this piece about when this person says something or the circumstance doesn’t turn out how I want, then somehow it’s their fault, right? So if that person said something, and they’re rude, instead of that person said something triggered something in me that did not feel good. What is that? And why is that there? When we look at that with wonder and curiosity and go interesting, because I guarantee whatever is triggering, you is not triggering me. So that’s how, you know, it’s all you.

Brandon Handley 43:06
It’s true. Um, you know, if if I was spiritually looking for a date, then then I would say, Hey, what’s up? I’m good. And I agree, you know, I don’t think there’s a piece in there that I disagree with. So So thank you, I think that’s a great answer to to it, right? Everybody’s still trying to control the outcomes in some way, shape, or form. And when they’re not turning out the way they want them to. They’re not they’re not accepting it. Right? They don’t see it. And I think that the idea of approaching these triggers with wonder and curiosity versus like, kind of anger and angst is also really why is this can trigger still here. Right? So it makes sense. And I love it. So and what else I know that we talked about, you know, you’re doing the work that you’re doing now, but you’ve got a new endeavor, what are you, you know, what are you leaning into next?

Erin Mac 44:00
Oh, my gosh, I’m so excited. I’m working with couples right now. I just finished doing my pilot course, on partnership. And the reason I’m so excited about it is, well, first of all, I truly believe we are here for spiritual development, or you call self development or whatever you want to call it consciousness. And when we recognize that that’s why we’re here and that all these you know, challenges that come into our life are for the purpose of our growth, then we can, you know, grow and heal and enjoy ourselves, right? Well, what happens when you bring two people together, that understand that there’s a process to healing and growing and understand that same process in a way where, you know, in couples, it’s like, it’s easy to see how escalation can happen because it’s like, especially when I’ve just told you what’s going on. Right. So You said this thing, it made me feel bad, you know, right. So instead of, you know, we do this responsibly, so then we go, Oh, you said this thing, I feel bad. There’s nothing that you can do to make me feel better, I’m in charge of making me feel better. And then they can support you in that, right? And then instead of escalating it’s support, right? So it’s not, you made me feel this way. It’s, I feel this way, and it doesn’t feel good. And, you know, support me in that instead of like, get your beliefs and you know, the things in your life that aren’t working out and escalate, escalate, escalate, it’s like, no, this is mine, I own it, it doesn’t feel good. And then the two of you work together in that capacity. And it’s just amazing to watch couples, it’s exponential, because not only is their relationship so much better, but think of the impact that will have on their kids, the rest of their family, when they can see two fully functioning adults coming together, helping support each other in their spiritual growth. It’s phenomenal. And so that sounds awesome. That

Brandon Handley 46:15
sounds awesome. So where does, you know? What, who’s your ideal client? Like in this space? Right? So I think we got two types of ideal clients, you got the partners, ideal clients, and then you’ve got your, your, your standard practice clients, what is what are they?

Erin Mac 46:30
So ultimately, you know, being an entrepreneur for like, 21 or two years now, entrepreneurs, like me, for some reason, because I get their craziness, I understand that they are under the gun and responsible for a lot of things. And those, typically, and leaders to write just people have a lot of responsibility. That, you know, like to make all the things work out, you know, like to control all the things, those are the people that I ended up working with, because I get them, I was them. And I still have nuances of that, of course, you know, so working on me, and all that all the things. And then couples who are recognizing that, you know, especially when you’re coming together as maybe two, what do they call that the set called the two families come together to blend in? Yeah. Like, I’ve noticed quite a few couples that are interested in working with me, that have that situation, because it’s, you know, it’s already challenging being in partnership, but then you bring in the kids and just escalates all the things. And so, you know, any couple, of course, who’s having an issue, wanting to communicate in a deeper way or, you know, deepen their relationship in some way. Fantastic. And, you know, it’s super challenging when you’re bringing in, you know, other kids and into the mix and all that. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 48:05
hard enough with your own, right. Yeah, for sure. So and where then, where Then should I send people to come and find you, if they’re interested?

Erin Mac 48:18
I think probably the best place to find me is on Instagram. My handle is Aaron, er, I N m A C LLC. And I post like a weekly video on some sort of strategy or something to think about. And I put like, inspirational memes and my stories. And my website URL is in the profile as well. It’s a good way to interact with me, you can DM me, you can private message me or whatever. You know, and I always whenever I’m on a podcast, I offer a free I call it step one to joy call to just get you on the path, you know, maybe I you know disseminate the, the visualization process a little bit further so that you can get started on that and your life or whatever that looks like. And if afterwards, you still want to hang out with me and learn more than great if you don’t, no strings attached. It’s just my way of being in service.

Brandon Handley 49:21
Awesome. And thanks so much for being on today. Thanks for what you do, right? You know, being able to help people make that transition from a Bumble of nerves into something, you know, a little bit more usable and functional in society. I mean, there’s the there’s a reason why that’s your calling. So thank you for being of service and doing that for everybody out there.

Erin Mac 49:47
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. And thanks for having these platforms. It’s really important to have these conversations, giving people hope and strategies and just something to think about that’s, you know, positive I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much. Absolutely.

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Jeremy Todd shares all!

Always great to be able to chat with my good friend Jeremy Todd! Check out his new book “The Positive Side” as well as his latest FREE program to get you unstuck over at http://besthalfyear.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. I am on here today with my man, my man. Mr. The pauses. Mister, check out my book, Jeremy Todd Jeremy Todd is a motivational speaker. He is an influencer. He is a legend. Not only in his own mind, but in mine as well. I’m so excited to have Jeremy here. If you’ve been if you’ve been a longtime listener to me a and he followed me through three podcasting, another Jeremy’s kind of a regular, but you you’ll know that Jeremy was catching me I got to see like you were like the first. Right. The first and it’s funny. We look all the way back to 2017, where neither one of us knew what the hell to do. And here we are like earlier just before this podcast got started. Well, I got upgraded Mike bargraph equipment. Yeah. Right. But super excited to have you on. But I always like to start this off with. And I think you’ve been on one of these already. But I’ll ask again, you know, source speaks through us. Right. And there’s a message that can only be delivered through you. Today, right now to to a to somebody listening to this podcast, what is that message?

Jeremy Todd 1:22
Well, you know, I mean that several ways I go with this, but what you know why you were talking? It just really made me think about you know, when you say four years ago, when we first we first met, and there was so much insert uncertainty with my life here live, what we’re going to do, why are we doing this? Where’s that going? The biggest message for me, and it’s really coming through right now. And when we’re having this conversation is that, you know, we just never really gave up, we just kind of kept going and there wasn’t like, it was almost like we’re pulled through to time to basically this point. And I don’t know how to really put it in quantified in the words, but it’s almost like taking your hands off the steering wheel and allowing things that just happen to watch your life. And good things happen. You know, it’s like a, you know, a bad crypto reference. But I’m watching cryptocurrency recently in this going way, way up, it’s gone way, way down. But consistently, it’s going up. And that’s really how I felt my life is it’s been for the last three or four years, you haven’t the, you know, splitting up with my with the mother of my children having that move in a couple different times. So you can get these big downs, but also you got the big ups. But if I look back now, where I am today versus where I was four years ago, it’s a lot higher, it’s a lot. It’s a it’s a better place, even though I had these major drops in my life. It’s just weird how that goes. And you know, I talk about this all the time, and even on my show about really just just getting through it. It’s not about hey, I need to figure this out right now, I need to figure out what I’m gonna do the rest of my life right now I need to get through this shitty time right now. And I really don’t really have to get through anything right now. It’s just you’re meant to be in that point. Why? Who puts you there? I don’t know. But it’s part of the life that’s part of the journey. It is sometimes it’s good to be in those in those bad low points because it builds you up and makes you stronger, makes you harder and makes you you know, all around a better person learning from the tough experiences. But man, I get I guess I just you know, going on that random tangent right there. But I just I don’t know, if I’ve ever been happier in my entire life than I am right now. I feel more blessed than I’ve ever felt in my entire life. And maybe it’s because of, you know, some of the things that that have happened in my life recently, you know, but with writing the book, and I appreciate you mentioned that and getting some of the things off my chest with that book. It’s very, very freeing. And it’s, it’s also it’s been happening with actually who I truly am individually, like, like, this is who this is my weird quirkiness. This is who I am. In all these things. They’ve taken time and they’ve taken time, and they’ve got to this point, and who knows what’s gonna happen in the next three or four years from now, but I feel like I’m being pulled through this situation. By I don’t know, you know, I have been the universe the way it’s supposed to be. I don’t know the answer to that part of it. But I just really like the momentum. And I like the journey and it says it’s been amazing the last three or four years. So I know that really answered your question, but that’s really what I’m thinking about.

Brandon Handley 4:22
Trying to figure out this new new get new setup, right? I’m just trying to press the right buttons. It’s awesome, right? I love the you know, you’re saying you’re kind of pulled through this kind of time and space to get to where you are today. And it really reminds me of of how mine started, right. And my kind of journey started because somebody said that exact line to me, right? I was like oh man, just, you know, the drink and sure and wanting to party and wanting to be this person that I had been for so long this identity that I assumed just kind of fell away. Yeah. Right. And he’s like he goes you know, once you kind of know fall into the space you get

Jeremy Todd 5:02
what you while you’re messing with the banging down there. But this is another thing popped in my head too when I was when you were when you mentioned that I listened to a podcast just before I got on and I’m driving around town and, and it was a Jocko willing podcast and he had Dakota, Dakota Meyer on his navy seals and he’s telling me stories and one of the things he also mentioned was, you know how lucky he is to have a support group, and not a support group to where, you know, hey, I’m you know, I’m mad, and this is bullshit and have someone say, Yeah, you’re right. or not, maybe the support groups more like, you’re wrong, Jeremy, you’re full of shit, you know, you’re not right. And I’m like, Oh, yeah, well, maybe I need I need. I have people like that in my life. Like you like a like a Donnie title like Elise Archer, and I never had these people. You know, I’ve got friends in my life for a long, long time that have been lifelong friends. But what’s helped me tremendously is having these people that I can pull from, and talk to and be 100% vulnerable and honest with them, Hey, I suck at this. This is where I need to help that this is where, you know, this is what’s going through my mind right now, can you help, let’s talk about these things. But the biggest thing about that and having those relationships is actually being not only honest with the other people that you’re talking to you about being honest with yourself and checking the ego at the door and understanding it, the only way I’m going to really truly get out of the funk or truly get better is if I’m 100% authentic and 100% vulnerable with the person having the conversation with. And I’ve been very, very blessed over the last three or four years to have those people. And that’s made a huge difference in my life, maybe more than anything, is to fall on that support group. The people from all around the country, I mean, how you said you’re in Pennsylvania, and I’m in Indiana, and Danny’s in Florida, you know, he leases and you know, she’s in Georgia. I mean, we got people all over the country now in that’s made a big impact for for me and my life. And the most important thing about it, again, is that I’ve taken action towards that I haven’t just sat there and say, Oh, woe is me. I’m like, you know what, I’m gonna call these people, I’m gonna go reach out to them, and then tell them what I’m thinking. Because we can all sit in our worries and all around our doubts and our fears. And we can stay there forever. But until we actually reach out and say, You know what, I’m tired of this shit. This is not who I am. That’s not my authentic self. I need I need help. And actually take action, get the help. That’s what’s made the biggest impact for me in my life as well. It’s just the authenticity of who I truly am. And saying that, hey, I need help. I mean, that’s one of the most powerful words in the world is when you tell somebody that, hey, I need your help, you know?

Brandon Handley 7:35
No, you’re right. It’s a, well, I want to kind of call attention to this idea that and you had them on, right, you had a PR rush on the idea of the full lifters. Right? It’s not so much of getting this group around you have people that you’re not it was I think there’s a difference between like some people that you hang out with, and some people that support you, right, like, you’ve got the you’ve got this list of people that are supportive. And the I think they’re calling you on your shit, they let you they let you kind of step in it, right? They let you you’re like, Hey, this is what I’d like to go do. Yeah, if you’re having a conversation with Elise, if you’re having a conversation with Donnie, and you’re like, Hey, this is this is, this is what I’m gonna go do. They say, you know, they might give you a gut check, they might ask you a couple questions. But in the end, they’re gonna be like, well, if you feel like that’s what you need to do to make this progress for who you are, and go for it. How can I support that? Like, what can I do to do you need introductions to somebody? Do you need? Do you need a brand bass? manager? Do you need any of that stuff? Right? Like, how can I help you? What, what is what is what do I have, that can help you to become who it is that you’re looking to become? And I think that there’s a difference between those people who are supportive, those are the people that we’re talking about, versus people that you hang out with, because there’s people that you hang out with, or just hang out with, or just hang out with. And those people like, you know, if I if I’m, if I’m sharing a couple pieces out of your book, right, like, some people that you might just hang out with would be the couple of people that like, you know, back in the day to smoke some weed. Like, they’re just like, Hey, you know what, let’s this is this is what we’re doing today. Right? And then that’s it, but those aren’t the people that are going to be the ones that elevate you.

Jeremy Todd 9:28
Yeah, you know, it’s funny, I asked a question on my podcast the other day of pretty who I was talking to, I was talking to the founder of brand builder, or Yeah, not brand builders. Doesn’t matter. No, actually, that show will be out tomorrow. But I asked him, Do you still hang out with the people you grew up with? And you know, it’s interesting when you ask successful people that like that, it’s most of the time the answer is obviously is no. You know, and I don’t hate on these people. They’re their friends and they’ve, you’ve kind of developed who I was as a child which is made me who I am today. You know, I don’t, I don’t hold any grudges, or I’m not upset with them, it’s just over life and different experiences, you become different types of people. And then you begin following you know, the the old Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people you hang out with, you know, you start attracting different people with similar mindsets that, you know, I can’t have conversations like you and I are gonna have, like we’ve always had, with, you know, my buddies in the old neighborhood, you know, it’s just not gonna happen, because they just they don’t see that they’re not. You know, they’re, they’re not, I don’t want to hidden let’s say in the word they’re not let me sit for a better way to phrase that they just maybe have to just keep using the word not, but they haven’t experienced some of the things that I’ve experienced to be able to open their mind and allow the universe or your actual soul to be able to communicate one on one with that, with that, that energy and that power. And that really allows you to open up and that and pause or pause. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 11:03
that’s totally right. So what allows for something like that?

Jeremy Todd 11:05
Well, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, and I don’t want to get into too hardcore random stuff, but I think it’s with diet, I think it’s food, I think it’s how you, how you meditation, it’s really focused in on your mind, and like, understanding how powerful the mind really is. And I think when you you know, if you smoke cigarettes and drink seven days a week, and you’re doing all kinds of crazy drugs, or, you know, the lists are just eating terribly, I think these things block the connection with you and your inner soul and your inner being. The more cloudiness that isn’t, that is there. It’s just like, it’s almost like I see these people that are just going through life going through the motions, and they’re not really connected to that source energy and, and to be honest, I don’t know what that source energy is, either. I don’t. It’s hard for me to grasp my small mind around that. But I can feel that the energies when I walk into a room, I can feel that energy, a positive energy or a negative energy. And I say with my, my youngest daughter Moyo, my only daughter me, I think she’s extremely clairvoyant, I think she, she can feel energies better than anyone I’ve ever met my entire life, we could walk into a buildings, just but data just don’t the energy here, I’m like, Alright, let’s go, you know, to be able to be in touch with that power that is, within all of us, is something that is number one, because a lot people don’t understand it, don’t even know that it’s there. Which is, which is, which is a problem, I think, it’s it’s a problem with society and communication and, and growing as a as a one big, you know, as the population we all grow together. And I think that’s a problem that slows the evolution and the growth of a society in general. But, you know, when I, when I go back and talk about my daughter, and she can just, she can look at somebody and say, you know, I that person, I really liked that person’s energy. And

Brandon Handley 12:50
let me ask you this, right, like, and and did you feel maybe that it’s has something to do with you fostering that in your child and not saying no, to her, her her being able to pick that energy up? Sure. So and I guess I’ll take it a step further, is that is it that we all kind of have that innate connection, right? And instead of it being fostered in us, it was kind of like shunted away like, Hey, you know, what, you know, so I guess sounds like what you’re doing, again, is you’re, you’re fostering that in your in your daughter, and you’re allowing for her to explore these these gifts and this ability to not be fearful of connecting to we’ll call it source, we’ll call it like, anything like that, like her intuition. And saying, Yeah, you know, what is that? Tell me more versus you’re just being correct.

Jeremy Todd 13:48
And that’s the biggest thing you kind of hit the nail on the head with there is I don’t, you know, it’s only my kids know, I don’t tell them that that’s hardly really ever I tell them no, and I just ask more questions. But why do you want to do that? or Why? Or in the situation, my daughter? What does that feeling like? Like, somewhat? like random questions? Is it warm? Is it cold? What color is that energy? You know, and really let allowing her to her mind to really focus in on that and knowing that she’s in a safe place that, you know, we don’t she’s she can have those conversations, like you said, Well, I think, you know, a lot of society today that gets that gets beat down. That’s not something that’s really focused on I think it’s the most important thing to focus on, by far, but I think it gets blocked through, you know, maybe it’s, I don’t know, maybe it’s bad diet, maybe it’s too much technology, maybe it’s not being connected to the earth as much as I think people should be. There’s all kinds of things there. But you know, what it boils down to, it’s just when those conversations happen, I don’t I don’t tell her No, or that’s weird, or I don’t understand. I just asked questions. Wow, that’s amazing. Tell me more. How does it make you feel? What does that look like? You know, these look these random questions, and then she’ll just and she just goes on and on and on. On on her mat, you can just see it like, it’s really, really a little bizarre because it’s not that she’s, she’s not making it up. You know, you can tell when your kids are making something up. But she is so detailed, that she just, she just knows it. And she, it’s like she’s, it’s reality for her. It might be

Brandon Handley 15:24
real for everybody. what’s what’s on? Like, like I said most most is like, and we’re saying most of society’s like, she tries to shut that down, right? Or puts a fence up around that. What has given you the ability or the wherewithal desire to foster it versus just versus what the rest of society is doing?

Jeremy Todd 15:48
It’s good question. It’s, it’s not a single thing. It’s been many things. And we’ve talked about some of those ups and downs throughout my life. And you know, I’ve questioned, you know, you know, again, me being five foot 230 pounds soaking wet. Well, like what, you know, why am I? Why am I this height? Why am I this tall when I was, you know, I talked about in the book when I was sexually molested as a kid. Why did that happen? To me, it’s not, and I truly look at it, it’s not good. It’s not bad. It’s just an experience of my life that I’ve had to learn from becoming a minimalist was huge, not being attached to, you know, to physical items, not trying to compare myself to somebody else about their bigger house or big car. And because I just don’t really care, I really deep down, I don’t care. And if I really don’t care about any of that, societal, I try and check the ego as much as I possibly can. What will if you clear all those layers away, what it really boils down to is, hi, how can I learn from you? How can I get better? How can I be a better friend, a better parent, I just want to get better. And I want and I’m genuinely interested in people, like I’m genuinely interested in learning about experiences and what their thoughts are and totally non judgmental. Like, that’s the other thing. You know, I think in the society, we’re so it’s so built up to we’re fighting against each other instead of listening to each other. And that’s shared and celebrated this, this mob mentality, if you’re not with us, you’re against us. And that’s, that’s a major problem with society. And I think it’s, but it’s not easy to get to the point where I’m at either, because I’ve had these experiences throughout my life that have really kicked my egos ass and just say, you know, whoever, you’re not the coolest guy in the block, you know, you’re not the best looking guy in the block. But you know, what, what I feel like I do have is this just just curiosity about life, and curiosity and people of how do we connect on a different level, I will never judge you. I will never, I’ll never say anything hurtful to you. And if I do, it’s unintentional. But I just want to learn and I want to get better. And I want to know what’s after life. And I know want to know, I want to learn from different religions and what they believe and take all of this stuff together and just kind of live in the information. And that’s what I always say, I don’t know, what’s what’s, you know, what’s going to happen next. I don’t know what’s life after death. I just want to live in all the information and just experience.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Let me let me jump in. Right. So I think one of the one of the one of the things I’m challenged by maybe you can help me here is, you know, here’s where we are today, right? This is, that’s where you are today because of your experiences. How you know, if you had to talk to somebody where they are right now, you know, maybe yourself, you know, four years ago or five years ago? What’s that? What’s that conversation look like? And how is that different? Right? How can you impart some wisdom to somebody where they are now along the journey what would you say

Jeremy Todd 18:50
the biggest thing and the one of the one of the most important things that I’ve really worked on is my is listening. And and I know it sounds so basic and so you know just what he had, of course you’re gonna listen but before I was always listening to the person planning my response, and not even taking in and learning from the actual conversation because I would my ego was just so like, well I already know the answer to that I already know what’s going on I want to give you my opinion and not even fully hear the question So as I’ve in the last few years I’ve just really I’ve just more sat on the sidelines and just watched and listened and listened and then ask more questions. Because if I if I if I focus on me if I focus on what you know how its explained this a little better it’s it’s I’m not trying to win in any situation I’m trying to learn from the other person and and really experienced that their life and in just listen in like manner. How did they get to this point? How do what can they teach me how to how do I get better and then I’m, I’m really this The other thing too Which is, I think it’s important to I’m blown away with people’s stories. When people think their story is not important, it’s because you haven’t found the right person that’s actually listening to what, what you have to say, I think we are so tied into what we think society wants to hear, hear us say, we just tell people, whatever they want to hear instead of who we truly are as individuals. And I think when you start asking different, like different questions to people that they’ve never been asked before, it’s it’s amazing how people just start opening up and telling you, they’re all all these goals and dreams that they have that they’ve maybe never told anybody. And they feel so much better with the conversation, I feel so much better the conversation. But it all started with really, truly being interested in the other person. And checking the ego and just listening and being fascinated with their story. Because everyone has an amazing story. We’re just told and that our stories like everyone else’s, and it’s not, it’s completely different. And I love listening to people and love hearing their stories. And the more you listen, truly listen, you learn so much faster. And I’ve learned more about listening the last in my life in the last three or four years, I probably did my entire life. Because Yeah, it’s important.

Brandon Handley 21:19
The idea of Yeah, I heard it recently. And it was Bob Proctor. So my guy, right, like, turn them off a little bit, and you jump back in again, and you listen, you know, you hear with your ears, but you listen with your heart. Right. I thought that was pretty powerful line. And then, um, you know, outside of my story, which ones had the most like impact on you over the past couple years?

Jeremy Todd 21:51
repeat that, quote, repeat the question again, like, outside of what now,

Brandon Handley 21:54
outside of my story. Which one? Which one, which one you think like, over the past four years has really motivated you or had the greatest impact on you?

Jeremy Todd 22:06
You know, there’s been a lot of stories and a lot of people that have impacted me tremendously. And you know, it’s just so fun because some people push me because I’m selfish, a little jealous. Like I, I, I see my friends like, like, and again, it’s just it’s the ego talking again. But, you know, I see guys, like, you know, like Donnie Tuttle loved on me. You know, Donnie, and I were in a coaching company together and quit cold turkey. And he’s making enemies just making great money and changing lives. And it’s huge. And in what that does for me, and I want all of us to go to the bank together. I all want us to be successful all I want all of us to change our lives. But he motivates me. He is very humbling. He’s very open. His story is pretty powerful. I don’t want to get into like some of the other stuff that he that he struggled with, but but he begin those conversations that we have off the mic and that and outside that it makes us both better. It has really, really changed my life. You know, it’s funny, this something small recently happened to me last week, and I was I applied for a TED talk here in Fort Wayne. And I got turned down. So I’m, I was I think I’m more excited that I got turned down, then I got accepted. Because it gives me this, like, you know what, a few pals. You don’t say this, like this. That’s what I needed to prove to myself, but I’m on the right path. Because that if you can’t accept me in my own hometown, to speak a TED talk, because I got a TED talk. I think it’s on my vision board. And I want to get that done. But for them to turn me down. that inspires me as well. Because it’s just it’s, it’s, it’s almost like the University in here. Jeremy, I know you wouldn’t be on on do this sets off, but you’re not quite ready yet. And like, you know what, maybe I’m not a dog. I’m gonna keep fighting. I’m gonna keep doing I’m not gonna quit. That’s, that’s, you know, those two stories are completely different. But really that that that TEDx getting turned down from that made a really big impact on me recently. Because, you know, it’s just like, it’s almost like the universe politely saying, Jeremy, you’re not good enough. Still. Like, you know what? That’s cool, man. I’m not giving up yet.

Brandon Handley 24:26
Right? I would look at it maybe a little bit differently. Right. I would look at it maybe as in shit. At least they emailed me back. They know who I am. For sure. I would look at it as kind of like evidence of things to come. Right. Like they My name is already. You don’t know that. You don’t know that in two weeks, whoever they they’ve already accepted. falls out. And then then maybe I’ll check out this positive side guy. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. And Todd. And yeah, look, Danny’s story is just so great because it’s so So real, it’s genuine, right? There’s nothing fake about how he got to where he is. And there’s no smoke and mirrors. There’s any everything done for the right reasons. I just love it. Right.

Jeremy Todd 25:14
Yeah, you know, it’s one of those guys that I call a friend, you know, a true friend. And you know, you know, you are a true friend of mine. Dan is a true friend of mine. Lisa is a true friend of mine. I mean, I’ve got it’s just beautiful as all these people are so beautifully authentic. And in it for the right reasons. Like they, you know, we’re doing this because we love what we do. And we’re changing lives not fake. We’re not doing this to get become billionaires. I mean, there’s a lot of other ways we could do that. But

Brandon Handley 25:43
a lot faster. Yeah, for sure. Initially, I was right. Like, I wasn’t in it for the right reasons in the beginning, and but that’s all part of my journey. Right. And I love it. I love it. I love I love that that’s been part of the journey. You’ve mentioned the universe, and you’ve mentioned kind of like, you know, spirit and energy, you know, and it’s been maybe a year since we kind of talked last word, what’s your stance these days? Man? What do we got? We’ve got a grand architect is what is what is fear? And how’s it working through you and for you to you these days?

Jeremy Todd 26:17
You know, it’s, it’s, it’s very interesting asset. Because I think about it, I literally think about it every day. And it’s weird like it, you know, when I was born and raised Catholic, so, you know, sometimes when I felt I found comfort when going through my 20s and early 30s, of praying at night praying to, to a God that, that, you know, the white bearded guy. And you know, as that kind of evolved, and I kind of got away from all aspects of really, of any, any sort any, any kind of like a structure and religion completely gone out of that. I go back to, like, even like, like last week, two weeks ago, I thought I caught myself, like praying again, which is really weird. But it’s not praying to the same God. It’s praying to this all knowing power of energy, whatever that is, and I still don’t know what it is. I don’t there’s something there’s got to be something there. And I don’t know if it’s I don’t know, man. I why,

Brandon Handley 27:25
why Why? Why is there got to be something there, right? I mean,

Jeremy Todd 27:28
I don’t know. Yeah, you know, you know, I had a guy on there talking about a few weeks ago, and he’s got something retreats, the whole retreats. And you know, he specializes in suicide. And I asked him and I asked him, his Is there life after death? Is there a god? And he said, unequivocally 100% Yes. And as you’d go through these different journeys of these mind altering experiences, you see that how much more is actually out there and we live you know, in this one dimension of of whatever my my quote unquote reality is, however, when you take mind altering drugs, you realize that there are so much more going on within the brain within this universe within this realm. Again, it goes back to it’s just so gigantic, like how do I even comprehend that and I you know, not to go on Tinder, but even like space and time continuance, you know, there’s, there’s theories of you know, every black hole has a million other galaxies and universes with a million other black holes in them that continues to go on forever and ever infinity. And then you know, the multi universe thing where exactly what we’re doing right now is happening on another planet. A billion trillion miles away on some random planet that’s very close to ours. But maybe it’s my podcast called the spiritual spiritual open near the positive side guy. Yeah, yeah, but there’s just there’s just all these things that I think about and I’m like, Well, is there one all mighty power being that is running all of this? The universe is from billions and billions of galaxies away?

Brandon Handley 29:02
I can’t read something outside Do you think it’s something outside of you?

Jeremy Todd 29:07
I don’t know. Maybe not. Maybe Maybe that maybe that maybe that is the maybe that is one of those but I I just when I look at how massive everything is and with the universities and space and galaxies like how can there be one all power being for everything? Is this the only unit is this the only I guess universe that we are is there’s your multi universes is there different things going I don’t I can’t grasp my I can’t grasp that concept. So I don’t and then that’s why I live in this like study of just listening to things feed trusting my gut when things are going well. I feel like there’s like that little energy that is above me of powerful me but like you said, maybe it is me itself. Maybe I am that it Eternal energy I just had, it’s just a lot to think about. And I don’t try and even claim that I know what the hell’s going on. I just, but I listened to everybody and understand that I’m not smart enough, I don’t know enough to be able to make that decision to decipher that set makes any sense at all. It’s so big to you. It’s

Brandon Handley 30:22
fair, it is big. And it is a lot. I mean, look, that’s the that’s the gist of this podcast, right? How do you? How do you kind of once you once you come in contact with that source, right, you felt that you like, and it’s like now now that you’re here, right? You know, had Krista on the podcast, and her podcast title was I’m awake. So now what? Right? I’m like, God, what a perfect podcast name. But yeah, so you’re awake. Now? What? How do you incorporate this newfound levels spirituality? Or re connected with your spirituality and your like? Because I mean, conversation earlier, you’re talking about like, you don’t need anything, you don’t need XYZ, you’re detached from the necessary, you know, all these things. Right? Well, what’s the keep you Jeremy from just, you know, rolling out and coming a monk at this point, right?

Jeremy Todd 31:17
Well, yeah. You know, I don’t know, I know what you were talking about that to what I was kind of thinking about is, you know, it’s interesting, when when I think about this, this energy or whatever, this, this higher power sources, it’s interesting, because it’s not always there all the time. So, you know, I’ll go through days where I’m just going through the motions, it’s normal day, and I’m just a normal person living through let me ask

Brandon Handley 31:39
you this, I’m gonna I’m gonna jump in. Right. Yeah. Is it? Is it that it’s not always there? Or is that you’re not always aware of it?

Jeremy Todd 31:47
I’m not always aware of it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
100%? Because I would have to say, I mean, this is this has been my experience, right? I would have to say that it’s always there. It’s, it’s kind of up to us to tune into it. Right. It’s like we’re driving around, you’re driving around. You turned into a podcast earlier. Yeah. You turned into you know, Satan, same thing. You’re like, you know, what happens if I tuned in and soars right now? What source? What source up to?

Jeremy Todd 32:08
Yeah, exactly. And that’s what’s it’s just very interesting, because, and I agree with you, the source is always there. However, it’s it’s am I tuned in Am I not tuned in and, you know, it’s, it’s like the typical person, a lot of typical, but, you know, when times are really, really good, you’re like, man, Hey, thank you source energy, this is all good. When times are really really shitty, you’re like, Oh, my God, I need your help. And then every once in a while, in the middle, it’s like, you know, I’m just gonna check in here and there. But that’s one thing I’d like to work on is just as really be, you know, just get better just can be more present, be more in tune with the with that energy and understand that it’s always there. Things are happening. It’s just, you know, hey, I’m just an average Joe just trying to get through it and working my way through this complicated mental test that I always think about. And I wouldn’t have it any other way. I mean, I really want it because I just find these conversations fascinating. And that just allows you to be needed to remind yourself and think bigger and think. And just really think I mean, that’s what I really enjoy

Brandon Handley 33:08
about that. Right? Let’s talk about that for a second. Because you are having an impact, right, regardless of whether or not you feel like you’re driving it through, you know, spirituality or some other way, for the, for the purpose of this podcast, you are driving it spirituality, you know, through a spiritual sense, you know, what kind of impact or you feel like you’re having out there in the world today?

Jeremy Todd 33:30
You know, that’s, it’s a great question, because it allows it, you know, the first answer is, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s an ego, like, you know, I know, I’m making a big impact out there, you know, and you got to give yourself permission to say that you are making a big difference. And it’s okay. You know, I mean, it’s okay to say that, and I’ve worked really, really hard on that. Because, you know, you and I had a conversation about two years ago, that made a big impact on my life. And this is very similar what we’re talking about here and that question, because, you know, we talked about how I use, I use when I want to go to Chipotle, I’ve been there forever. And I always I always buy the person behind me launch. And that when I run out before they could actually get now acknowledge that, you know, bottom lunch, because I wasn’t accepting that, that time of gratitude. Like it’s okay. To have someone thank you for that. You know, and so when you ask a question like that, it just makes me go right back to that question that you asked, you asked me. So that’s made a huge impact on my life. And I’ve actually tried to share that story about 1000 times because it’s, it’s so right, man, it’s so right. So if I go back to the question in my what what kind of impact my making I’m thinking I truly make? I think I’m making a gigantic impact. And it is it’s it’s not numbers wise, you know, and I’m not trying to say I’m making a billions and billions of people changing all their lives, but the lives that I’m changing are gigantic. I had, you know, I get emails, you know, once twice a week that just say, you know, Jeremy I found your podcast, I tried to commit suicide three weeks ago, and I didn’t know what I was gonna do I, luckily, I didn’t go, I didn’t succeed at doing that. And then I stumbled across your podcast, then how it’s made such a big impact in my life in such a short amount of time. So when you talk about making an impact with that person, that that one person’s life, and I know, there’s more out there, and you know, I’ve got stories and emails, which I still save, because it makes it makes me feel good. But that one person? I mean, is that person going to have a, you know, another, it was younger person, I think, mid 20s? Maybe that

Brandon Handley 35:34
person worth it? That’s worth it. All right. So it’s all worth it, though. It’s funny, because he says, you know, you don’t feel like you’re touching maybe billions or millions. But if you think about it, right, throughout the course of at least four years now, you know, with each person that you that listens, you know, throughout the past, you know, of course of four years, how many people have they talked to and interacted with and that network kind of the year that the multiplier effect over over time? I’ll bet you by now, you know, you’ve you’ve impacted at least a billion.

Jeremy Todd 36:09
Yeah, yeah. And that’s a good point, too. Because you know, it You never know, the whole butterfly effect and how it’s affecting people down the down the road. And like, you’ve said, that young lady reached out to me, man, I mean, who’s to say she has a, you know, a beautiful family has a couple of kids after that, and then changed her life? And has these kids like, what changed the world? You know, for sure.

Brandon Handley 36:26
You just never know, the change in the world. Right? Like, I mean, yeah, no, you don’t know. So you know, if we’re, if we’re talking about somebody or something, and I got to imagine that, at a certain point, you kind of you were pulled through, like your insides, right for gut feeling to do your podcast, right? You were pulled to you know, you’re like, I gotta get on the mic. Yeah, right. Um, what do you think is part of that? What drove that?

Jeremy Todd 36:54
It was really the I mean, it was the the opportunity to make an impact. I just, I’m a firm believer that we all have this message, we all have this message in, I have been blessed with the gift of gab, to tell my stories, and be 100% authentic, to allow people that have going through the same things that have gone through the same things to say, hey, it’s okay that I went through these things. And you know, I talked about it one on one. I’m not trying to do a cheap blog, but in the book, I talk about, you know, me when I was a younger, yeah, that’s right. Getting getting molested from a friend, you know, and there are so many people that this has probably happened to that, that have lived with this. Now, when I put the book out, and I had even another family member reached out and said, this is completely different situation. But she said she went to the same exact thing. I have been blessed with the gift of gab, and I’ve been blessed with the confidence and the, I don’t know, if you want to call it arrogance than to say that I don’t, I just don’t give a shit what anybody else thinks about me. I truly don’t I truly don’t give a shit. If that’s true, and I know this ability, that God higher being, whatever you want to say, has given me this opportunity, if I don’t take advantage of it, what impact what negative impact would that it made on the world and the lives that I should have changed that never did? You know, it’s like the where’s the most successful place in the world, it’s, you know, the the cemetery because we all we die with these ideas in our in our mind and never put them out there. And I wasn’t going to allow that to happen. The podcast started out originally just you know, I knew that this message would need to get out. But over time, like everything is chatting a little bit more authentic, a little bit more real and the lives that has changed and are getting bigger and making a bigger impact. And but it’s I was given a gift and and i’m using the gift to share the message man and you know, I friends, I’m sure you have said the same thing that you’ve had people tell you what are you doing? You know, why would you do that? This is stupid doesn’t make any sense? Are you making any money? That was?

Brandon Handley 39:05
Absolutely that those are a couple of the next questions. Right. So you know that the next question really comes from you know, you’ve got these naysayers, right? You’ve got these people that are doing the Kukui crap, right? The the people that are you know, you’re you’re in there and they’re trying to pull you back down. But you move move ahead. Anyways, there has to be a little bit of fear and trepidation and that you want to talk about getting through that.

Jeremy Todd 39:33
I had a lot of fear. I was, you know, a lot of it was just anger. It was, you know, it showed me that and this was partially mostly my fault as well that people didn’t really know who I was. people’s opinion and thoughts of me was not reality of actually who I truly was as an individual because I I played to society. You know, I was like, everyone Yes, I did. You know, I had the nice cars, I had the big house, I did all the, you know, I would partying all the time with all these random people that you look back and they’re still doing it. And that’s, um, but that was never me. That was never who I truly was. So, and I, you know, I don’t want to say use the word blame, because that’s that’s saying that there’s a negative connotation to that, but it was my fault that I wasn’t really being who I actually was.

Brandon Handley 40:24
You were you. You were, was it true, then you maybe had a little bit of victim mentality?

Jeremy Todd 40:32
Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, if you go there with with, with my height, and you know, some of the personal stuff I went through 100% Yeah. 100% and,

Brandon Handley 40:40
and just just so what is victim mentality, then? What’s that mean?

Jeremy Todd 40:44
Well, for me, it was like, it was why I’ve been screwed, because I’m the short guy. So I’m gonna overcompensate and try and try and prove to other people that I’m, I’m just as cool as you are, quote, unquote, cool as you are, even though I’m five, two, and, you know, I’ve got a, you know, a bonus shoe as well. And I’ve got all these other issues. But, you know, it was almost like I was I had to prove to others and not prove to myself that I was worthy. And that that was a cyst or something, you know, I probably still struggle they can relate to it just said that out loud. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now that I just said that out loud that I, I tried to prove to others who I was, instead of proving to myself who I actually was, you know, and I think when I accepted that, and really, man, hey, I’m, I’m 40. I’ll be 43 here a couple months. I probably haven’t accepted that. And so I was probably 3849. You know, but that’s my journey. You know, it’s that’s how long it took me. It’s not right, wrong or indifferent. But that’s how long it’s taking me to get to this point now in my life that I just, I’m happy with who I am.

Brandon Handley 41:47
I gotta wonder sometimes if that’s just not the natural evolution, you know, that’s when it’s supposed to happen. Yeah, it’s as I was listening to something the other day, and I forget exactly what it was. But like, you know, you can’t rush that kind of thing. Right? You can’t force it. Yeah. Right. And, and you can’t time it, but you can get pretty close to the time. Yeah. So then the, give me a spiritual dope, right? So give me an idea of what’s a hit of like, kind of spiritual dope for you.

Jeremy Todd 42:21
What is a hit for spiritual dope from

Brandon Handley 42:24
so you know, spiritual dope is like, you know, just when you’re feeling connected to source, right, so what’s one of your hits?

Jeremy Todd 42:30
By far, this is the one that most I love this time of year. I mean, yeah, this time of year, and reason being is when I can walk outside, and I can walk their feet barefoot in my backyard. And I can be 100% connected to what would actually connected to nothing, you know, but connected to myself, and then the planet and the birds and the bees and the flowers in the wind. And that, that, that, you know, you get euphoric. I mean, I get chills just thinking about it. Because that’s, that’s what life really is. That’s like, that’s like the basis of, of reality of life. And when you walk back into the house, or walk back, get back into the car, it’s like, you’re right back into society, and you’re like, it’s just a different world. You know, years ago, when I was in California, were the greatest things I did. And I’ll never forget this as I watched the sunset, for 30 straight days in California. And I would go out on this little bench and there was, you know, the sunset was set over this, this like little valley. And, you know, I’d always look at all the different colors and all that, and just how beautiful it was. And I would sit there meditate, or just take deep breaths in breaths out and be present in that time. That’s when you know, like, spiritual dope, that’s about the biggest hit of spiritual nobody could possibly have is because that’s, that’s when you know, things are bigger than you. And, and I just feel so much better. I feel like I just have so much more energy and so much more meaning to live. And this is why I’m here and I need to enjoy this. And so the springtime and you get to the winter of gray and everything like that. It’s terrible to the winter, and even today, we’re a couple inches of snow, which is terrible in April. But next week 70 it’ll be 70 degrees on Monday, and I take that time like what I said outside and just listen to the birds and the wind and just be at peace and it’s the best thing in the world for me.

Brandon Handley 44:23
I love it man connecting with nature,

Jeremy Todd 44:24
right? Absolutely, the most important thing I can do.

Brandon Handley 44:27
So something’s gonna happen. This didn’t happen today. But I’m gonna do a little bit of conversion on this podcast. I’m gonna shorten it a little bit. And I’m gonna turn it into a little bit more of kind of like a spiritual speed dating Jeremy like, you know, somebody who’s kind of speed dating Jeremy Todd today listening to podcast and they’re like, Am I spiritually attracted to Jeremy Todd, right. So I think I’m gonna ask you like one or two like these kind of random questions that are it’s actually 20 questions that came up and like, talking to, you know, some of the top 100 spiritual people, right can, you know, let’s take one segment of the easier ones? Um, what is wisdom? And how do we gain it?

Jeremy Todd 45:10
What is wisdom? And how do we get it? You know, I think, for me, wisdom is it’s the it’s the tough times, but it’s not the tough times. It’s how you react to the tough times. Because I, I, you know, it’s kind of like the deal failure question that I asked on my on my show as well. But wisdom has. I’ve been through so many tough times, you know, so I look back. And now when tough times happen, I reflect back on how I react in that situation. And I’m like, Well, you know, I learned so much from that situation that I’m not going to react is one of the strongest things I do is when there’s turmoil, and when there’s aggression and arguing, and I am the the calmest guy in the room. I just sit there and I’m patient. Because I’ve learned that when you when you the first reaction you have in a situation like that is usually the wrong one is coming from a place of where Wait, wait, wait, wait, the

Brandon Handley 46:02
first reaction is not the best one.

Jeremy Todd 46:04
Yeah, correct. Yeah, for me, it’s 100%. For me, it’s not. And but but that takes that’s that takes time. That takes wisdom because I’ve been down that road where I’ve made these decisions, where it’s just a snap decision. Like, man, I shouldn’t have said that. I’ve, I’ve learned how to sit back and relax. How’d you how’d you learn to cultivate that? It was really through breathing. And that’s been the biggest thing for me. And you know, when when, when you’re in that situation, you feel like time’s going by a million miles an hour, I’ve learned to just kind of sit back, take two or three deep breaths. And it just allows your brain to reset and what’s kind of wild, whatever, which I love is,

Brandon Handley 46:41
is there any kind of just, I mean, is there any kind of certain breath that that is right? Like, I mean, can you illustrate that for somebody that might be looking to figure it out, for me,

Jeremy Todd 46:49
it’s easy, it’s just through the nose, I mean, because there’s so many other pathways through the nose that it allows your brain to to absorb the oxygen a little bit different than it is to your mouth, and through your lungs. So it’s very, very slow. And then I always pause, send them out through the mouth. And then it’s a shorter breath as well through the nose. And it just allows you to gain composure. And and what’s been amazing about that, too, is that allows the other person that has been super aggressive, almost kind of pause. And then you can almost see gears start changing with other people. It’s, it’s beautiful to see. But I do that with my kids. I do that with, you know, relatives, to get an argument with, I’m just, I’m not calm, cool. Like the guy just I just don’t get upset anymore. I don’t you won’t catch me raising my voice you won’t catch me yelling at anybody. Because I just sit back, relax, take that deep breath and then ask questions.

Brandon Handley 47:46
I love it. What, um, what are you up to man? What’s next? What’s up? So, you know, where should people kind of go and connect with Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 47:54
Well, you know, I’m really focused on my YouTube channel. I’ve got 175 people there. And I put a lot of videos up there, I put all the podcasts, put the money motivation on there, that’s super important. Instagram has been great for me as well. And, you know, the biggest thing for me is I’ve signed there’s been a few people that have come on to the, to the coaching program recently. And, you know, it’s interesting, and I always tell the clients that come on, hey, this is all mindset coaching. And I know there’s all kinds of different labels for coaching and that’s something I always struggle with like, Am I a sales coach, I’m am I you know, you know, they’re all the other cliche words for coaching and then some, I think it waters it down a lot but I think as overtime that when you listen to the podcast and you know how focus I’m mind setting in gaining this knowledge that people have started reaching really reaching out to me working on one on one with me, and it’s been a salad changed my life, but to change other people’s lives as well in you know, down the future, I just decided to work with more people. That’s always fun. So you can always find me on YouTube and Instagram and you know, LinkedIn and all the other places. But I think one on one is probably the best, you know, shoot, you know, shoot me an email Jeremy at Jeremy Todd calm and you’ve got questions. Hopefully I got the answers.

Brandon Handley 49:08
And we’re new Where can I find your podcast?

Jeremy Todd 49:11
I’m everywhere. You know, iTunes, Stitcher, Pandora is but actually been great. I’ve been I’ve had five or six people in the last few weeks, reach out to me and say, I found your podcast on Pandora. So it’s just search and Jeremy, you’ll be able to find me really, really quickly. Also on on iTunes, you can find me quickly there. But also, you know, keep in mind on my Facebook page, I put all the videos up there. You’ll be up there here in about a week or so is to be great. And then on YouTube, but all the interviews on YouTube as well. So some people you know, it’s depends how you take in things that are your audio and will listen to you what are you going to actually watch it? There’s several different ways to catch the podcast as well now, but it’s going better now than it’s ever been. And I’m just excited about the future.

Brandon Handley 49:51
I think I think that’s fantastic. I think what you’re what you’re illustrating is is persistence and passion in action. Right? You know, you’ve decided to, to, to, to continue with this thing. And what I love is that you’ve continued it throughout the quote unquote bad times. Right? Yeah, the tough times. And they say that that’s kind of where the character shows up the character, the character of a man, or a person doesn’t show up in as much in the good times as it does the bad times 100%. So I appreciate that you’ve been able to maintain the podcast, continue to look for the positive elements. And from my from my perspective, positive doesn’t mean like, Hey, this is all sunshine and roses. Positive means how do we make progress from this point that we’re at today? Right. So I appreciate you leading the way I appreciate your friendship overall, all these years and not just being able to have these conversations and I’m really proud of you but for getting your book out the positive side, how I overcame bullying, bankruptcy and a bad attitude. My true identity. Brother, thanks so much for being nice. I appreciate you, brother.

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:01
all right. Bye 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a special friend Lindsey. she say she was saved Lindsay

Unknown Speaker 0:13
he car? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 0:15
Because I said, it is very important. It’s very important so that people can pull you out of the crowds of Lindsey Gardner. Right. And so Lindsay is actually, you know, pretty good friend of mags for those of you that know me, you know, then you probably know, Megan’s a good chance you already know, Lindsay. And then, um, you know, so let’s talk about Lindsay and her standing naked in front of strangers blog. I’m just gonna do I’m gonna read Liz gonna read your about me here off of your, your blog posts, and then you can make a decision whether or not you want to keep that going forward. Okay. My entire life, I felt like an outsider feeling like I saw things a little different than most of the people around me. A few years ago, I started to be okay with that, I started to strip off the layers that I’ve been carrying around for the decades and show up a whole lot more authentically, I started writing to free up some space in my brain for forward movement. First out, people liked what I had to say. So I kept reading. I don’t feel super tied to labels of mom, wife, soldier, Yogi, although these are all titles I’ve hold held. But I’m so much more connected to the idea that each of us is on a little trip to figure out our own purpose. And this is a part of mine. And I hope you’ll join me so thanks for being on. And thanks for your thanks for agreeing to be on is this how many podcasts Have you been on?

Lindsey Garner 1:38
Zero? Now one?

Brandon Handley 1:40
Oh, this is this is this is your first Well, you’re welcome. Like I told you, before we got on, you know, it’s it’s a it’s cool to get all in because a you’ve learned it, you don’t go up in flames. Right? Like and you can do it like there’s nothing to it. Other than just kind of showing up and being yourself. So welcome.

Lindsey Garner 2:00
Thanks. That’s my favorite thing to do. So, you know, why not?

Brandon Handley 2:04
For the you’ve listened to a couple of podcasts. And thanks for thanks for being a listener. So you probably know how I open these up right with the idea that that we are word vessels for source. God, whatever, whatever you feel like calling it and you’re on today, because you have a message that is going to reach somebody is yours that can only be delivered through you. Right? What is that message today?

Lindsey Garner 2:34
I actually did like a little meditation before we started just to transition from one part of my life into this. And I think what I kept kind of landing on is like, yeah, I’m not I’m not some, like giant published author had a little piece of like imposter syndrome as far as like, I don’t know, what do I have to say? Right? Um, but it kept then it was like, okay, maybe I say one thing, that one person out there takes and is like, yeah, I’m not alone. I’m not feeling these thoughts or, or living in a space that I am totally on my own. And, and so that’s, that’s how I’m coming into this. And I think there’s something to be said, for living that way. Like maybe you smile at someone, you take a second and you smile at someone, you just don’t know the impact that that has in their day. So the more that we just live in a way that really feels like we’re honoring ourselves, the ripples are pretty big.

Brandon Handley 3:41
Nice, I mean, just kind of just owning who you are. And I hate to say just right, so owning who you are, and that that’s actually very powerful. So owning who you are, and owning that you have the power to change someone’s life with your smile.

Lindsey Garner 3:57
Yeah, you do. Like it’s crazy. You really can I, I work, I manage a retail store that’s like my full time gig a lot. And I’ve learned, I never thought it would be in retail and I actually quite like it. But I’ve learned so much the impact that you can have just on on, like, allowing space for someone to actually show up and not being tanned and like how are you doing today? And then them just saying great. Oh, okay, great. Like it’s this script we run through, you know, but rather actually like stopping and saying, No, like, actually, how are you doing today? And it’s okay to not be okay. And you can say that even to somebody selling a yoga pants like it’s fine. And the cool things that have opened up for me through that. I mean, I can’t count them. It’s phenomenal.

Unknown Speaker 4:51
What’s one

Lindsey Garner 4:55
I think it’s the relinquishment of ego. Yeah, I mean, you never get rid of it right? It’s always there. Well, yeah.

Brandon Handley 5:03
How’s that? So yeah, I mean, how’s that showing up for you? Right? Like, really question of ego through your work at retail. I mean, I guess I would take a step further though, because not everybody that works in retail is able to let go of the script. Right. Not everybody that works in retails okay with relinquishing ego. And I can tell you, I mean, even in years past is working like as a bartender, or, you know, being that customer facing person. And somebody is being an asshole. Like, I am really hesitant to relinquish ego, I’m like, No, you’re being an asshole. Right? You know, so. So walk me through your process of that was clearly before my ascension.

Unknown Speaker 5:55
I’m basically transcended as well. Right? I

Brandon Handley 5:58
mean, that’ll never ever happen again in my life. But the deal is new. So how are you? How are you doing that? Because I think that’s, that’s really the impact of this podcast, right? The impact of this podcast is, yeah, your spiritual. But how are you applying it in your daily life? So that, you know, you’re not? You’re not? I’m physical Lindsey over here. And I’m metaphysical Lindsay over here and understanding like, and together like, you know, you meet in the middle somewhere. So that’s how you meet yourself in the middle.

Lindsey Garner 6:32
Yeah, I think, um, I mean, meditation, meditation is like, changed my whole life. And I can’t pinpoint it to like one style, or one time that I practice, it really is more of an evolving thing. And I can talk more about that. But what it gives me Is this like ability to put a little bubble around myself, right and like, hold in and recognize what’s my emotions? My thoughts my feelings? versus like, what’s Karen from Kansas that comes in my store is pissy we don’t have a size four pair of shorts, like that’s actually has nothing

Brandon Handley 7:14
Kansas should know. First of all. Oh, no. So so it’s funny, though. So you mentioned though, the, the idea of no one set meditation I To me, it would be almost like, Oh, no, your, your, your favorite herbal tea that day? Right. Like, there’s all kinds of like, one day, you’re like, I need I need to calm down. Okay, Karen, meditation, right. And sometimes I need sometimes I need hyped up, you know, Lindsey, sometimes I need, you know, whatever. But it gives sounds like what you’re saying those that gives you the opportunity to go in and create that energetic bubble, right, what you want, who do you want to be in these next few moments? Right, that you get to create that? Is that what you’re saying?

Lindsey Garner 8:03
Answer remember, that, that? We don’t have any idea what that other person’s life looks like? Like, I don’t I have no idea. 99% of the time, I’m gonna guess it has nothing to do with those shorts. Doesn’t it has to do with a lot more, some deep seated stuff, right? And whereas I used to take that on and and, and I mean, I would take these people’s shit home with me. I’m like, What am I doing? Like, why do I care so deeply about someone’s reaction to foster requiring masks in our store or something like that? I am in Florida. So I mean, you know, the week you are out here, it’s like thing, but um, well.

Brandon Handley 8:50
How did you, you know, talk to what’s the process of going from, you know, taking that home every day to learning to let that go. And did that happen overnight? Or did it take you some time?

Lindsey Garner 9:03
No, probably years. Ah, I actually started to because I worked for a company and sells yoga pants. We have a lot of yoga. We do a lot of yoga. It’s how we used to like really market our business. And so I got back it up. I got out of the army. I was in the army for about 12 years. Yeah, the army there was no no real like, like industry down where we moved. My husband got stationed in Florida. This is not where we’ve chosen it came down here. There’s no industry that was related to my background. So I’m like, I tried to stay home. I’m not a stay at home mom. Like I just, I was making my own seasalt I yeah, my husband come home and was like, Hi.

Unknown Speaker 9:46
Hey,

Unknown Speaker 9:47
it’s me. It’s not to me.

Brandon Handley 9:52
I mean, I would like to know how you made your seesaw.

Lindsey Garner 9:58
The Golf Got it. I No kidding. Yeah, that’s serious.

Unknown Speaker 10:05
You can buy it’s pretty cheap. There’s no fun in that.

Brandon Handley 10:08
I’m sure there’s no fun. There’s no fun in that, right? You can buy all kinds of things. But you’re over here you’d like a teaspoon of salt. You’re like,

Lindsey Garner 10:16
six hours. So great. Everybody gets a little grain

Unknown Speaker 10:22
sparingly.

Brandon Handley 10:23
Why are you using all the salt?

Lindsey Garner 10:27
I’m serious. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 10:28
I get it. I get it. I get it. No,

Lindsey Garner 10:30
I just got a part time job at this store. And it turns out I really liked it. The company was really cool. And it got me into yoga. I’d never done yoga. I had never been around it. I always thought it was like this, like, woo Wee thing. Yeah, so I started that and it was mostly a physical practice it and little by little I kind of came to understand. I’m a reader. I’m a learner, I am always I am probably always have like five books by my nightstand and like three audio books and two podcasts going all the time. And I just started reading a little bit more on where yoga really came from, and the true intent of yoga and little by little kind of got out of my physical practice of actual like Asana, moving my body through it, and much more connected to the meditation aspect and the the grounding principles of yoga and the eight limbs. And so I, from there just kind of started learning, all kinds of things about meditation. And we are really fortunate in our area. prudence burns here, because she has that veto song Dear Prudence, to doubt her. So that’s her, she lives here.

Brandon Handley 11:52
I don’t know. I don’t know that I recall the song Come and get a cup of water.

Lindsey Garner 11:55
When it’s actually about when the Beatles were at a yoga retreat in India. And there was a woman who sat in a room and meditated for hours and hours, and they were like, come out, prudence come out. That’s her. And she’s actually one of the leading teachers and she is a Sanskrit translator, translator, interpreter. I

Brandon Handley 12:19
don’t know. She can she can do. She can do Sanskrit.

Lindsey Garner 12:22
Yeah. So she’s here. And I met her and she shared about Transcendental Meditation with me. So I went through that training. And that was really my first go at meditation. I really had never done anything. Do you know

Brandon Handley 12:36
how much I’ve watched? Yeah, a little bit. So how is TM different than some other meditation forms of meditation?

Lindsey Garner 12:44
mantra base to so you’re assigned a mantra, go through the training or sign a mantra, and then it’s 20 minutes twice a day. It’s pretty structured. pretty strict. It’s very structured. And the guidance is like, that’s what you do. And there’s a lot of rules around it worked for me to start, but I’m kind of I’m kind of like an inner inner what, what are,

Brandon Handley 13:06
what are some of those rules? Right, and what was your mantra? Um,

Lindsey Garner 13:10
so everybody has their unique point and I’m super suspicious, so are like super superstitious. And so I am not going to tell you my, my own journey because I am worried.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Are you not allowed to?

Park you down is like a nonconformist.

Lindsey Garner 13:34
Yeah, thank you, um, but it’s like, okay, you meditate 20 minutes twice a day, you don’t want to do it a certain amount of time before bed. You don’t want to ever do it like laying down unless you’re sick. There’s just a lot of it, where I’m like, it just became inaccessible to me. And it became hard for me to consistently practice it. And took some really great things from it. And then from there, just kind of started reading about mindfulness. And then know that a lot of guided meditations are so accessible now. I mean, you can pull up the meditation app, and there’s like, 40 to open them up. And in that for those 42 apps. There’s 1000s. So just started playing around with that. And then I went to I just finished a training but my husband was sick. You know about that. My husband got really sick last year. And throughout the course of that had a lot of really specific. Like, really like a lot of trauma. I hate that word. And I don’t know why I hate that word. But I do a lot of really specific traumas that happened. I saw him

Unknown Speaker 14:50
do it throughout that through that throughout that ordeal.

Lindsey Garner 14:52
Yeah, he almost died a couple times. It was pretty hard and I lost my ability to drop into meditation really quickly. And it got so frustrating to me where I was like, this is a tool that I have that I need more than ever, and I can’t get into it and didn’t know why. And I reached out to a friend and she was like, hey, I’ve actually been doing some studying on trauma based meditation and how like, in times where you are really hyper focused on these events that have created this stir up in your brain, meditation can actually be really damaging if you’re not, you know, guided or led in the right way, or you’re not aware of that trauma. And so I started reading a little bit about that, and and then I just actually went to a training on feta healing, which was awesome, super awesome. But

Brandon Handley 15:49
you owe me like, more links or something on that. And here’s the you know, what’s funny, those right, you know, army 12 years, getting involved with yoga, and then be like, Oh, this is all Whoo, to being. I just finished my data healing. And I’d like to know, I’d also like to know more about the trauma, meditation. Um, because you’re right. When you when you this happened to me, mine was in no way shape, or form, you know, as severe as, you know, kind of what you were going through. But I was going through a space.

Unknown Speaker 16:27
And I couldn’t I

Brandon Handley 16:30
couldn’t I couldn’t get out of it. Right. Yeah. And I know all this stuff. And I’m really, really good at it, right. But there was something just and it wasn’t even big, but it was just enough. Where I was so focused on it, and I couldn’t I couldn’t get the fuck out of my own way.

Lindsey Garner 16:46
Yeah, it turns out that’s like, why happens? You just you get, all you do when you get quiet for meditation is you just replay that?

Unknown Speaker 16:56
Like, oh,

Lindsey Garner 16:58
what am I doing over here? You know, and I don’t know a whole lot about it. But I have just kind of started digging in and reading some books and learning about it. But even just

Unknown Speaker 17:11
just like

Lindsey Garner 17:12
somebody else, again, like somebody else saying, like, hey, it’s okay. Like, dude, forgive yourself.

Brandon Handley 17:20
Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s 100% 100% when somebody else can share the human condition. And lets you know that you’re not alone. And that, I think that that’s something that you do with your, your blog, right? You did two things with your blog that that come to my mind. If you don’t mind, like me shower, like kind of some some quick thoughts on that. Right. Um, one is, I’m a Bob Proctor fan. The dude the dude, like, wise, and you know, I don’t know if there’s some sales gimmicks, and I’m afraid to give them money, but like everything he says, is legit. And, and one of his one of the things that he recommends, or he talks about something that he practices is, whenever he’s got a problem, or whenever he’s going through something, he writes it down on it, he gets it out of his head, and on a piece of paper, out of his head and onto a piece of paper. And then he’ll go through it, he’ll read it. And I’ll ask themselves, did I get it all out? Right? I think it’s, I think it’s a kind of a Karthik thing, where, and at the same time, you can look at it, it’s like talking to somebody almost right. And you and I can talk about the you know, any problems that we’re having. And sometimes when it comes out of your mouth, you like, was not as big as I thought that it was, like that was a pretty big inside my head, it was huge. But once it got out here to this face, I was able to kind of see it in a different light in a different way. So I think that that’s one thing that you do with your blog, right? Sounds like it kind of started from a space where you needed to get the shit out of your head.

Lindsey Garner 18:53
Yeah, I was reading it if I was real.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And so you’re getting readers, and people do like it. And I think that they like it because you’re just being honest, sincere and letting them know and I’m not even trying to lead by example or anything again, just sharing who you are and what you’re going through in, in a non sugar coated kind of way. And yeah, people get to see that

Lindsey Garner 19:21
really hate that sugar coating thing that hate it, I think. Yeah, I don’t know. I really, it’s like my pet peeve when you know, somebody ain’t okay. And they’re like, not, everything’s great. Or like, this is why I’m posting on social media is what I’m sharing with the world. And then Meanwhile, it’s like a dumpster fire and you’re like, maybe if you just share the dumpster fire a little bit. You can have somebody be like, Oh my god, I’m actually in this dumpster too. And I know the way out. It’s

Brandon Handley 19:52
right over here. Yeah, no, that’s Yeah, that’s fair. But let’s let’s let’s play it in reverse because I also know that you’re you’re A big fan of some manifestation and a little bit of LA. Right. So then what happened? You know, how does that work in that space for you? Right? So if I focus on my problem, and I talk more about it, am I attracting more of it? Or am I learning at all? I mean, you know, I mean,

Lindsey Garner 20:17
yeah, I think about that damn, Esther Hicks Get out of my head. You don’t know me? I do. Think about it. Do you think a lot of it comes from the intention in it? Right? I don’t sit in my shed, I write it. And that is that is that catharsis of like, okay, I read it, I give it out. I read it. And then it’s done. I’m not coming back. I’m not not saying it. And I think that’s part of it. And this is like, for every human being out there. There’s something for them to do that allows them to do that. For me. It’s writing, right? You know, for some people it might be running, I don’t know, gross, but to each their own. I can’t imagine feeling better. Mentally. After a long run. I’ve usually I’m like, oh my god. Everything hurts. But

Brandon Handley 21:07
yeah, me.

Lindsey Garner 21:09
Cooking, like cooking can be therapeutic for people you could have great,

Brandon Handley 21:13
yeah. So for me, it took me a while to kind of get around to it and understand it. But when I’m cooking in the kitchen, I’m creating something. That’s an act of creation. And

Unknown Speaker 21:27
it feels wonderful,

Unknown Speaker 21:28
right? And you’re serious,

Brandon Handley 21:30
right? You get to share and then and then if somebody doesn’t need it, or if they use too much seesaw, I get pissed, but

Lindsey Garner 21:36
you made your own.

Brandon Handley 21:38
But but the deal is it’s like and you start to let go of that too. Right? You must see your you know, somebody who’s getting pissed because you know, size for shorts aren’t down. It’s it’s like you’re not doing it, you’re just getting over the reaction to what you’ve done or created. Right? Whereas the process, you know, Meg and I had this conversation not too long ago, she’s like, I hate the process. I was like, well, the process is pretty cool. You just haven’t kind of experienced it yet. Right? You haven’t experienced like this, this this thing where you morphed through the process? Yeah. Right. And then like, because there’s really nothing else you can say to it, other than it’s the process of creation process. So yeah, and when you go through creating something with purpose, and 10, and love, then doesn’t really matter what the outcome is, unless it’s murder. And then there’s then we got to talk, but I can’t you know,

Lindsey Garner 22:35
love course, maybe I don’t know. I feel like she’s watched a documentary about some shows

Brandon Handley 22:40
you seen one or two on them? For sure. For sure. So let’s me let’s talk about what’s your process. Ben. Right, let’s talk about if you were to, if you were to guide somebody through it right now. And I see on your site, just as talk to me, like what somebody can reach out to you for? And you know, what would you guide through somebody through in a process oriented way?

Lindsey Garner 23:02
I’m trying to think I think the last person, or probably the by get the most feedback about is anytime that I talk about my relationship with my body. I don’t want to make a sweeping statement like this is something that women experience differently than men because I think men experience the same sort of, like discomfort in their own skin, or pressures from society or whatever. But this has been a big journey of mine. And I yeah, I mean, growing up. My mom is something special. She did her best. I believe that we don’t have a great relationship now. And a lot of that comes from me becoming a parent. And seeing Oh, wait, woof. That was maybe not an okay thing. I remember she told me I was maybe 30. I mean, I had done some shit in my life. And she said, the proudest I’ve ever been, is when you decided to lose weight when you were a teenager. And I’m like, wow, like, I want to combat had a kid I graduated degrees and have a successful career. And I was like, Whoa, there it is. So it’s just something that was ever present in my life. And that constant need to look a certain way to show up a certain way for everyone else, because I thought that’s what was needed to be and so I get a lot of women after I write about that, specifically, that will reach out and say like, okay, like, What do I do? Like, how did you get there? How did you get to the point where it’s not that I don’t care? I mean, I definitely care what I look like, but I don’t attach so much meaning and expectation to it anymore. I Who was it? It was on your podcast, and they call it a meat suit. Who was that?

Brandon Handley 24:57
That was this funny Christian. It was Yeah, he’s He’s really good.

Lindsey Garner 25:04
I really do like, as I’ve learned to meditate, and as I’ve learned to get a connection with the divine through meditation, I realized like, this is not it.

Brandon Handley 25:14
This is funny. I would, I would love to say that this is a smaller part of who we are.

Unknown Speaker 25:24
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:24
that’s right. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, I mean, if we infant festival, right, especially if we consider ourselves, I don’t know, in connection to the universe, right? Or as the universe, depending on how you kind of want to want to go about it. You know, yeah, Krishna said that, you know, other people that have said that plenty of times as neville goddard talks about being in the meatsuit Alan Watts will talk about being meatsuit. It’s not. He says, It is funny, but it’s, it’s true. Right? These are just, this is just something that we’re wearing right now. Right? Yeah. So

Lindsey Garner 26:00
beautiful. Like what is attractive to, like other people like what is attracted to me a guy that I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m super attracted that guy. Another person is like, what? Right? So subjective, that I think like, it comes from meditation. And I always comes back to that that like, because I started there. And then I realized, Oh, wait, actually, I’m this ball of light. And I’m connected to the divine all the time. And like, I don’t want to talk shit about the divine right? Why am I talking shit about myself?

Unknown Speaker 26:35
all the time? Yeah.

Lindsey Garner 26:37
And then I just became like, I didn’t want to have small talk anymore. And I noticed this, so many women around me, the majority of the conversations were grounded around what their kids were doing with their husbands are doing in their bodies.

Brandon Handley 26:52
Would you say that? That’s just because they’re, they’re afraid of who they really are? Yeah. How would you help somebody get through that?

Lindsey Garner 27:03
Yeah. I, um,

Brandon Handley 27:08
I mean, like, right, right. Like, I mean, so it will even flip back to you. So you think that you’re divine? Right. And you’re connected to the divine? Yes, you so somebody else said they are divine, and they’re connected to the divine, and they still have some larger conversations.

Lindsey Garner 27:24
Well, I have them unabashedly. And what I have noticed is that when I have them, that is uncomfortable at first. And then it becomes an okay thing. I mean, I do this and I do this. At my store, I have about 30 people that work for me and they love hate me. Because I make these conversations a thing. Like if I come into the break room, and we’re talking about trying to lose weight, so our size look less fat, I like awkwardly change the topic to What are you reading? What’s a book you’re reading? Let’s talk about it? Or do you want to hear about what I manifested last year, like I unabashedly just, I just think we’re playing small, and I will call people out on it. And I think sometimes it’s just that destruction that’s needed. And then it’s like, again, it’s like a ripple effect. I do it. And I see other people do it, little by little, and that’s, like, greatest success of my whole life is when I come in, and we’re talking about big things.

Brandon Handley 28:24
That’s great, right? Because then you can see that you’re having some influence, right? Or, you know, you’re manifesting that right? for yourself, right? Like, like, you know, so you’re able to kind of see this future state where you walk into an office and a break room, and everybody’s talking about cool shit instead of chubby thighs. Right? I mean, you know, just to kind of lay it out there like that. So, it’s what makes it so easy for you to, to, to, you know, feel like you’re living this kind of greater life and to be able to look at somebody else and say that, hey, you could be living a greater life or, you know, stop playing small. Right? And I bring that up, because I recall being It was a few years ago, I was in a dad, dad bloggers convention, because that was my space at the time. But I was asking these guys is like, you know, what’s the feel like for you to step into your greatness and I meant it, right? Like, yeah, and they shied away from accepting anything that looked like greatness and kind of hurt my heart. Yeah, it’s like, Wow, man, like you’re a great person, and like, you’re doing something awesome. But you don’t even see it for yourself. Right. So how do you how do you know how do you step into your greatness and how you help and other stuff There’s

Lindsey Garner 30:02
number one like expectations, you gotta let them ships go, which I say is like, it’s so easy. I would say this, like, I basically have mastered this. No, I totally not that just so you know. But I have learned so much around really pushing expectations, not not just at work in my life in my marriage, like, so much. Just because I want an outcome from someone or I see something in someone, I don’t have an ability to impact their path. I don’t touch it, and on my you know, like a marble, your marble hits, and then it goes another direction or pool ball or whatever. But who am I to know what their journey looks like? And how many awesome things could come from them effing things up. And I mean, that’s part of it. You know, my last year of my life has been really, truly transformative. My husband and I have been through a shit ton. And I have watched him really come into his own. And he was on the phone. He had surgery yesterday, he had one more heart surgery yesterday. And he couldn’t be on our marriage. Can we have marriage counseling every week? It’s like, we don’t miss it. Even if we feel really good. We’re like, Nope, still doing it. And I was sitting in my marriage counseling, and my counselor and I were talking and I was saying how, how hard it is to be a caregiver for someone for this long. And I was like, man, there’s things about my husband, that I really miss, you know, from a year ago, like, physically that he could do, or just like experiences we could have when he is truly healthy. And he was like, but what’s come of it. And I thought I thought about it, I was like, this person that’s here, now is so, so much more grounded in like, what’s truly important. He’s learning about the things that we’re talking about it now. And like, we’re able to have actual real conversation where we show up as ourselves instead of this, like surface shit. And I’m like, you know what, actually, right? Like, that’s what matters, not the, you know, he does assess, take naps, like that’s really he’s in the hospital for a year, you don’t come out of that in three months. So it’s cool. I didn’t deal with that. Because there’s all this and we had to go through all that shit. For that to happen, he probably wouldn’t have if he if he hadn’t almost died as many times as he did, or we hadn’t had any of the issues that we had, we wouldn’t be here. And so that has given me the perspective to know that like, hey, Karen, I see you, we don’t have your shorts. I’m sorry, that is pissed you off. I was just gonna be kind to you anyway, maybe it impacts you. Maybe it doesn’t.

Brandon Handley 32:58
Because it goes to the whole idea of you know, treating others as you know, we can love thy neighbor isn’t love thy neighbor, them, you know, you love the neighbor as yourself. Because, you know, in essence, and at least in our conversation in our world, they are. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you’re not getting it. And I say this so that, you know, for the person out there that is struggling to deal with the people that are paying their ass or whatever, with a couple things, right? I mean, however that person is, that’s kind of a reflection of who we are. Right? And then the idea of you get what you give, so no, kill them with kindness, right? And maybe, maybe take that person out of the equation and put yourself in an equation, right? Like, you know what, I’m just gonna, you’re me. I love you. Yeah, you know, I

Lindsey Garner 33:55
mean, oh, I just had a thought that. Okay, I don’t share this a lot. So I’m going to share it and this is what I do. So my husband cheated on me. We had infidelity in our relationship. And here it is, like, this girl that he cheated on me this was a manifestation of every single insecurity that I had. She was the complete opposite of me. And in my deepest shit, it made me super insecure and like I’m not good enough. I’m, I don’t look a certain way. I don’t add a lot on Instagram posting selfies. It’s just not who I am. no judgement, live your life, but it’s not. And I was like, Oh my God, is this what he wants? And then I I mean, it clicked for me one day and I was like, holy shit. She is everything that I am holding on to as my own insecurity and I put that shit in my path. And I’m not you know, I’m not here to say that. There’s not any like, Oh, it was me that I did that. No, I

Unknown Speaker 35:00
mean, but but I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:02
so you’re taking ownership of it and one way or another, right. And, and it was really interesting. I saw jack Canfield, you know, Chicken Soup for the Soul guy. He said, just just for a moment, if you can own 100% of it, by all of it, then own it, right. But if you just own 99% of it, then there’s a problem, right? But here, and what you’ve done is you’ve said, you know, you’re looking at this other person, those are all the vibes that you were sending out, you were like, creating this thing yourself. And you focused on it long enough with enough emotion with enough intensity to you know, kind of create your own bullshit. Gollum, whatever her name was.

Lindsey Garner 35:52
100% Yeah. Right. And, and, and crazy, like, exactly it in my head.

Brandon Handley 36:00
Right. And and, and the thing is, there’s a lot of power in that then no, so Okay. dial in the wrong fucking thing. So now, now you’re like, Alright, well, you know, here’s what I would change about that going forward. Right? And and, you know, you mentioned Esther Hicks. Right. So you’re an abraham hicks fan?

Unknown Speaker 36:23
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 36:25
The her whole principle is like, you know, the relationships that you’ve had in the past, right? The idea that I don’t want somebody this moves, I don’t want somebody does this. I don’t want somebody does that, and yada, yada, and all sudden that person shows up. Right? Right. It was funny, because a meg and I had dinner last week, we were talking about the relationships that my mom had, as I was growing up, you know, her, my dad was abusive, right? And so she got us out of that before me and before it ever earned for me. But almost every guy that I recall, her being in a relationship later in life with was abusive. So just makes me think, and I’m sure that, you know, she tunes into this one that she probably say no, but and I don’t know, but like, you know, the whole idea of, I don’t want somebody that abuses me, I don’t want somebody to treat me like this. I don’t want somebody treats me. And instead of instead of saying, This is what I do want. And and I always, you know, I have Meg do it at dinner. I was like, you know, do you pull out your Google phone, you know, pull up Google put in there, type in no red balloons, right? What’s gonna come up black and red balloons everywhere? I mean, it because, you know, so our minds operate in the same way. So I mean, you know, which is something you’re familiar with. One of the things that you did, though, throughout, you know, kind of this whole ordeal with your husband being this way, you you manifest some pretty crazy shit. Right? Let’s talk about that. Like, let’s talk about how you, you know, you focused on what you mean, Tell, tell us how you manifested that stuff. And you did it and kind of squirt water and some pretty cool things to talk about.

Lindsey Garner 38:06
He? Well, so we’re both veterans, and he’s 100% disabled. So most of his health care goes to the VA. When he first got sick, that was what we were doing. We were going through the VA and the VA denied him care, he kept getting sicker, kept getting sicker, they couldn’t really figure it out. And we had to just kind of start and think, Okay, you know what, we got to go somewhere else like this isn’t gonna work. And so I recently did the The first thing anybody says with me, it’s like all call your congressman call your congressman. So we did all that, right. We’re like, Okay, here we go. Like, let’s do this. I don’t know anything about politics. But let me get started. I’m not very political. Um, so went that route, and I was on a walk one day, all my, all my best shit comes in, I’m walking that damn feral dog. And I love my dog, but he’s a mess. So we take a lot of walks, because he needs a lot. And we’re walking. And I was like, there has to be a place where he can get everything that he needs, mental, spiritual, physical. All of this, like it’s got to be a place. And that for me, I’m, I am a big believer in feeling how things feel in your body. And I do feel like that sounds right. There it is. And so instead of going to the VA, my first thing is I call my sister, my sister’s a doctor, and I’m like, maybe, you know, is this a thing like and she started giving me a couple places I could look and I just kept meditating on that. I was like, we’re gonna find a place that is going to be all encompassing, is going to follow him through to the end because the VA said, No, you we’re gonna send you to a nursing home. And my sister was like, he will die in that nursing home. He will not go out. It and during COVID he would have gone by himself, I wouldn’t have been able to be there.

Unknown Speaker 40:06
Yeah, and sure enough,

Lindsey Garner 40:08
people reached out for Mass General and said, Hey, we can take him on not only can we take him on, we can pay for pay for what the insurance doesn’t cover. And I was like, What? And then a friend of his created a GoFundMe, and it blew up and gave us enough to cover my travel costs to go back and forth and to pay for me to take time off work to be there. And I mean, I,

Brandon Handley 40:32
I want to I want to throw out there too, like, I mean, you also have a family and it’s not just you and your husband. Like, I think

Unknown Speaker 40:39
a teenage daughter

Brandon Handley 40:41
right so so you know, you got all that going on. And and it’s enough to you talked about, you know, being being a caregiver for this long period of time, and I chuckled to myself is like you know, for better for worse, but like, I mean, for like a half hour or a day maybe right? But you’ve got this you’ve got this whole year going on. And what I’m hearing yourself say those like you know, when you’re when you’re walking into golf is walks you you’re kind of tossing these questions to the universe, like you know, what we’re, you know, you know, feel and then you talk about feeling it and and one thing that I think is a male and and the United States Anyways, we’re taught not to feel a whole lot, right. But you know, dawns on me really like feeling really is you know, your thoughts and emotions, you know, your head and your heart coming together as one and doing kind of like a purposeful way. And sounds to me like you were feeling your way forward in a way that felt best. I hate to say like, follow your bliss, or when I say I’ll say follow your hunches. Are you familiar with Florence? scovel Shinn, huh? Yes, this is my jam, right? But you know, hunches or your house or heaven or something like that, again, it’s one of her things, right? So you’re following your hunches and you’re focused on the possible and then this just started happening?

Lindsey Garner 42:01
Yeah, it does. And my marriage counselor, anytime there was like a hiccup in our marriage, he’s like, Oh, there you go. You’re fast. manifester. What we think you out and I’m like, yeah, damn it. Yeah, that’s true. Um, yeah. And I don’t know like, you can say like, I could see right now like, I want to be a NASA or at NASA thing that thing anymore. I want to be an astronaut. That sounds really cool. Doesn’t land for me. It doesn’t I don’t get excited about it. I feel that and if I say on the other hand, like, I want to live in campgrounds one day because I love campground people. I love the lack of boundaries that exists in campgrounds.

Brandon Handley 42:48
nightmare.

Lindsey Garner 42:52
We’ve talked about it. I’m like, no, it’s great. Everybody like comes over eats your dinner. You they come into your house. They’re like, Can I see your camper? And you’re like, yeah, oh, yeah, you

Brandon Handley 43:02
get rid of the airstream. I’m so jealous.

Lindsey Garner 43:05
though nobody bought for keeping it. And me and Zach in RV can

Unknown Speaker 43:09
rent them out, by the way, right? You can rent them right?

Lindsey Garner 43:12
Well, I just don’t have time to manage it. I like

Brandon Handley 43:15
I’ll send you a link later. But you don’t have to do the management this kind of like an Airbnb forum.

Unknown Speaker 43:21
Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 43:23
Great. Anyways, I

Lindsey Garner 43:24
mean, we’re gonna keep it for our road trip this summer. So Lisa, my 15 year old daughter and two dogs are taking this little Airstream. We’re going,

Brandon Handley 43:33
Yeah, I love it. So standing naked in front of strangers, your blog, people should be going and checking it out. They’re going to find more of kind of what we’re talking about here. I’m going to ask you a couple of questions. And it’s going to be kind of like, we’re speed dating, right? We’re seriously right now. And woo Wayne. So why are so many people depressed?

Lindsey Garner 44:00
Don’t think they’re connected to who they are? think they’re connected what they think everyone wants them to be? feel like they’re faking it a lot faking It’s exhausting.

Brandon Handley 44:12
When you stay connected to who you are, like, what does that mean to you?

Lindsey Garner 44:18
Things showing up as what you think others expect of you instead of in a way that honors like why you know, you’ve been put here everyone has a purpose Everyone has their own path and like the more that we get connected to that and show up in that way.

Brandon Handley 44:37
So you would you would tell somebody to kind of try and fight figure out what the purpose is to start lean into it and that would lead them to kind of who they are.

Lindsey Garner 44:44
Yeah, and that doesn’t mean this like giant sexy thing. Like for me, I freakin love running a retail store, right? I used to think it needed to be this like, huge thing. I really get joy out of selling yoga pants. I love it.

Brandon Handley 44:56
And that’s awesome, right? And I think that that can be And it’s been tough for me to find that so tough for me to find that right? If I’m not doing if I’m not doing something a little heavier, right? Because if if, you know, going back to, if I feel like I’m in a room with people talking about stubby thighs, I don’t feel like I’m living my best life. Right? And so so like, how do you how do you get out of that? And there’s it sounds to me, like you found ways to focus on what you’re bringing into your life and to these people through the work that you do. That is driving your purpose and satisfaction, and it doesn’t have to be doesn’t have to be your shelter changing the world, right? So someone’s world,

Lindsey Garner 45:40
yeah, in my own little universe. And I think that that’s the way that’s the most accessible to everyone like it. I think sometimes, this idea of like our purpose, we make it this big thing. And then it seems so far that we don’t even take a step towards it. But like, if I can come into my store, say something kind to someone, they all say all of a sudden feel more comfortable in their skin, or they then repeat that that’s change, and you’ve made it in your own little microcosm, right.

Brandon Handley 46:08
But it’s also micro, right, you go back to the idea of stepping into your greatness. And sometimes that’s like, 1000 baby steps to get there. Yes, right. So these small, you’re right, like if we try to put this overarching sense of purpose, where it’s like this huge fuckin vision, right? Like, you know. And instead we say, you know, I think it’s okay to say that. This is my purpose for right now. Yeah. Are people out there? There are people out there who believe your purpose doesn’t change. Right. Um, but I think that there are instances of you know, about this purpose revision.

Lindsey Garner 46:52
I can tell you right now, 19 year old Lindsey that I don’t know what my Yeah, I don’t think it was the same. Right? Right. Talk about it.

Brandon Handley 47:01
Let’s let’s do you know, I love the idea that you you feel like you can connect with the divine at will that you are divine. That to me, would indicate that you’ve got an idea on kind of what heaven is and how to get there.

Lindsey Garner 47:18
afraid of death anymore, either, which is cool. Like I live recklessly, but I’m not afraid of death anymore. Because I just don’t view it. Like, I have a different relationship with planes of existence in time, you know that. I just don’t do it the same. Also meditation can we just all get the shit out of our head that you need to be sitting on a pillow with like, incense burning, and essential oils and mala, like, my best meditations in my car. I’m on lunch break.

Brandon Handley 47:49
I’m so glad to say I was doing it yesterday, like in the car. Like I was, like, you know what, and it was very comfortable. I had like my own jams going. Also sound therapy because like, I can turn that off. I can turn the volume up and says like, I can set like theta waves in the car, right? And I’m sitting in a theta situation. So yeah, what is heaven right to you, and how would you get there?

Lindsey Garner 48:15
I think it’s actually like, getting into a place. Where, okay, I’m going to describe this because my husband, I talk about this all the time. So we have two dogs. We have three dogs, but with an English bulldog. She’s 11 she’s kind of an asshole. She’s grumpy. She bites people. Then we have Bojangles He’s my dog. And he lives his life. Just like so fully. He’s so excited to see you. He is so curious and just in joy all the time. And I feel like shorty, that’s the grumpy asshole. She’s on her like, first life Bojangles be like on his 77th he’s had time to be like, Oh, don’t do that. Now, okay. And you learn and you learn and you learn and I honestly, I think that it’s it’s an ability to have what we would consider to be like, a life. That is that where you’re like, man, I am in this and I am Yeah, there’s hard things but like it’s okay. And you move through it. I really I think it’s more than that. And I don’t really think we have a concept of it. I think there’s a way I could describe it. But I think it’s like an ultimate sense of peace enjoy.

Brandon Handley 49:33
Yeah, I mean, so it sounds to me that you’re kind of living your life as it is and finding those moments of connection. Yeah, would be to you a little bit like having and yeah, are you are you saying then that new could have heaven here on earth and not like Belinda Carlisle song but slightly different.

Lindsey Garner 49:58
Oh, way to go. Good work, Belinda Carlisle. Yeah, I do think that, uh, now I want to sing it, but I don’t want that I don’t want that immortalized in the podcast. My teenage daughter would be like, what are you doing? I am mortified. Although right.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Now, that’s perfect. And I agree, I think that, um, I think that it is, and I think that it hasn’t closed. But I think that, you know, kind of, the more that you meditate, the more that you focus on it, the more that you make that your intent and your purpose to find in your life, you know, by pop in, you know, heavens, in my Google search engine, it’s a good chance that we’ll find it right, at least I can dig, I don’t know how many, how many O’s I’m gonna have to go through to find the one that I like. But, you know, if we put that into our search engines, then we have an opportunity to find it. So, so grateful, again, for you for free to pop on. I’ve enjoyed getting to know you a little bit more. Enjoy, you know, thank you for the conversations that we get to have online and thanks for the conversations that you have with with Meg, I know that you get to act as a as a translator, for what I’m saying. It’s true, because once he gets to translate what it is I’m saying the mag normal language. And it’s a challenge, right? Because I’m so immersed in it right and and, you know, as the idea of you become what you eat, right? And if all you’re taking in is this content, that’s all I can come out. And we get to I get to a point and I know that I’m not the best with it, but I sometimes I do forget, you know where I came from like this is I’ve always been connected to source.

Unknown Speaker 51:53
No.

Brandon Handley 51:55
No. The other day when you’re being asshole you weren’t connected? You’re totally not.

Lindsey Garner 52:00
Yeah, I really honest part of why I write is because I am terrible at communicating my husband. And if you got it helps a lot. He’s like,

Brandon Handley 52:09
I mean, that’s why we have 90% of our conversations on Facebook, right? Like, that’s where we catch up. She’ll come in and she’ll come in and let me know something’s going on. But yeah, I read that, like, two hours ago, we’re all caught up like, I’m on your feed from but so so again, very grateful for you coming on today. I’m glad that we got the chance to have this conversation. Where should I send people to go hang out with you? which defines

Lindsey Garner 52:33
Yeah, go read my blog. I think that’s a good way and then yeah, I mean, it’s it’s a it’s a baby blog, because they do it very much on the side and I would love one day to make that thing that is bigger and then I can do on a larger scale. So yeah, go and tell me what you want me to say and start a conversation I hate small talk. So yeah, just like drop some really awkward awesome deep shit in there my best day

Brandon Handley 53:00
when somebody so you’ve also got the chat function there, you know, outside of some deep shifts that you want some people to drop their what you know, what are some other things that somebody might feel reach out to you for?

Lindsey Garner 53:15
Anything that I read connects you in? You’re like, man, how did you do that? I’m not here to tell you like this was easy. It took me like 10 years to figure this shit out. But I can be a partner and a sounding board and nothing annoys me more than an advice giver. So I will not give you advice but there is face always face to just be where you are. And then maybe sometimes like a gentle nudge, be like okay, you’ve been where you are a little too long time. Let’s do this.

Unknown Speaker 53:41
Like right after you get the fuck out.

Lindsey Garner 53:43
Yeah, sir. I know a way.

Unknown Speaker 53:47
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, thank

Unknown Speaker 53:51
you.

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Mark Youngblood is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth, individually and collectively. He is the founder and CEO of Inner Mastery, Inc., and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He has been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the Inner Mastery Methodology for more than 25 years. Through his Pathway to Radiance online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations so you can Love Yourself, create a Life you Love, and shine your Inner Light on the World!

Connect with Mark by checking out his website right here: Pathway to Radiance

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, well, let’s let’s get it fired up and we’ll go 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on here today with Mr. Maher Youngblood he is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth individually. And collectively, he is the founder and CEO of inner mastery Inc, and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He’s been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the inner mastery methodology for more than 25 years, through his pathway to radians, online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations. So you can love yourself, create a life you love and shine your inner light on the world. Mark, thanks for being here. It

mark youngblood 0:51
was my pleasure. Thanks, Brandon. I really looking forward to the conversation.

Brandon Handley 0:55
Absolutely. I think you’re the first person I’ve ever introduced in the style of, you know, getting to the ring. But there you have it. I like to I like to open these up with the whole idea that you and I are here at this exact time, space and place in the universe. So that source can speak through us. Right. Right. And more specifically, you to somebody out there right now, a specific message and what is that message that’s kind of streaming through you right now Mark?

Unknown Speaker 1:29
Well, you know, the

mark youngblood 1:30
primary theme of all the work I do and spiritual domain, really also in the corporate work that I do, is that, you know, our calling is to, is to really reveal our ratings. It’s, it’s to recover, that knowingness of who we truly are, and our true self level, and to be able to live our life from that center, you know, we call it living from the soul side. So, you know, in your intro, you said a little bit about kind of my philosophy, but just to recap it, you know, my approach to working with helping people to, you know, raise your consciousness and live a much better life is that we’re already souls, but we don’t have to become more of one, we have to become less of what we’re not. And that’s all the stuff that’s between us and being able to be the soul, that’s that, the layers of ego and all the one thing and the identification with being an ego and being a personality, that when we clear that out, the light just naturally shines, we don’t have to try to shine it. And so that’s, that’s what’s up for me, you know, it’s, it’s always what’s up and both for myself and for the people I work with out in the world, is to shine more that light, you know, every day, clear more of that blockage out of the way center more into that identification with who we are truly, and that’s the, you know, magnificent soap.

Brandon Handley 3:01
That’s, that’s, that’s great, right? It kind of makes me think of me with the house, we just moved out of had a, this kind of this does UV light to clear the water, right? And, you know, if you didn’t clear the rod, every once in a while, of that light, and then you know, the light came out, right? So it’s kind of like the same thing, right? You’re basically helping us clear clear the light there. That rod, one of the things that I noticed about you just kind of working with you and and just my own introspection of your choice of the word radian, right. I thought that I think that was a really great choice of words and determine and what we do here. How did you? How did you land on the word radiant? You know, actually,

mark youngblood 3:50
I had a friend who was teasing me about it and going, what are we radioactive? No, not

quite? Well, you know, there’s

Brandon Handley 4:02
always some jerk out there, Mark.

Unknown Speaker 4:04
He’s a great guy. So

mark youngblood 4:05
a friend of mine, who’s yanking my chain on it. But you know, every image you’ve ever seen of awakened people, when they’ve been depicted, they’re glowing, you know, that they just are shining. And, you know, in my own inner eye, when I look at people at the soul level, they’re just blazing with light, you know, and they’re in. To me, it is radiance. You know, it’s just, it’s, it’s an effortless shining of our inner magnificence. And, you know, it’s who we all are. And that’s a such a liberating idea. You know? It’s so funny. I don’t know, what sort of religious background you have. Brandon. Maybe you can tell us about a second.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, yeah. I’m 100% open. I can you know, I think that you’d asked yesterday or today about you know, kind of who you know. You know, I was questioned about asking about a woman who had been impactful in kind of our journey, right? And I told you, my mom, because I literally, this is all the stuff that kind of were having a conversation about, I was taught at a very young age, but I wasn’t able to process it the same way. Right? But now it’s like, kind of it’s, it’s, it’s almost like, this was always my first language, but I was never able to speak it.

mark youngblood 5:23
Yeah. Yeah, that’s, that’s fascinating. Well, I was raised in a Methodist, which is kind of a moderate Christian religion. And yeah, we were taught that, you know, we have a soul and the devil can get it, you know, like, it’s some sort of a little crystal or a gem or something, you know, and you’ve got, with everything, like it’s gonna, you know, be taken away from us. And, you know, I think it’s completely opposite, instead of being a person who has a soul, where a soul who has a personality, and, you know, it’s, it’s invented, you know, who we think we are, we created it, from the moment, we began to have a sense that there’s a self here, we invented a story. And a lot of that story is really limiting. Now, almost anybody is functional in the world has a part of their story that actually reflects some of their soul qualities. But there’s so much embellishment and a lot of garbage in that, that, you know, teasing the two apart, and really knowing what aspects that I’m bringing to the world are truly coming from that soul perspective, and what is just as made up, you know, and I’m coming from this invented facade, that it’s performing, you know, it’s, it’s out trying to convince the world of who it is. And to separate those two things. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the Eagles are bad, I’m saying that you don’t want to identify with it, and you want to clear it out, you want to clear out all the limiting beliefs and all the wounding is holding on to that or as you were describing earlier, you know, that junk is blocking the UV light or blocking the soul light. And you need tools to that, you know, you need ways to go about doing it that are proven, and the work. And once you do you know, then it’s, it’s like eating a chocolate elephant. And I don’t know if you’ve heard that expression before, where you know, the idea of the chocolate elephants the big change you want to make. And so with this, it’s, it’s about just taking a bite, you know, every day or a few times a week, and just eat, it adds up, it adds up over time, you know,

Brandon Handley 7:43
100%, I have never heard it referred to as chocolate elephant, but I will it is now Forever, forever. And they’re back real quick though to to I’m gonna jump all the way back to radians and then we’ll walk walk forward from there. But you know, you’re talking about, you know, that that light that naturally shines, and I love that you also just kind of talk about it with being effortless. Yeah. The other idea too, is that radio, you know, radio point is, is his center, and it’s spherical when it comes from all spaces, right? It’s not just not just flat and 2d, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s amorphous. And so that’s the vision. And that’s, you know, when I think when I thought about the choice of word radiance that you chose as a will, that’s perfect. Because just like you’re saying that is the light that naturally shines doesn’t shine never signs in 2d. It’s wherever there is space for it to shine.

mark youngblood 8:39
Right? Right. Like that. I’ve never heard that. I love it. It certainly fits.

Brandon Handley 8:45
Yeah, I mean, so that was that was had that’s that was my thought on where it came from for you. But you know, so that there we go. Right. But then we kind of joined it up in the middle there. Never, you know, and never really thought about that too. Like the soul getting taken away. I always thought about like, maybe the soul getting murky or something like that. And so it’s kind of like the idea of, you know, the devil trying to come up, take it and you’ve got to try and protect your soul from getting stolen, right?

mark youngblood 9:13
Yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s such a strange thing. To think of it that way. But but it’s the common thing, you know, you know, almost any movie that has references to souls. It’s like that, you know, it’s like, the what’s the guy’s name? That was the blues singer Robert Johnson. Is that his name that that went down the crossroads and he sold his soul to the devil to be a great guitar player. You know, like he wouldn’t get bargained bartering away.

Brandon Handley 9:39
I remember I mean, I think of the song right, like, uh, you know, I remember the song right, like, it’s kind of similar to that, like, devil went down to Georgia. Yeah. similar background, right. Yeah. doubling down short. Anyways. Yeah. Well, um, you know, what I want to know too, is a little bit about the journey of Mark Youngblood and just kind of how you came into this space for yourself, if you could shine a little light on that, if you could,

mark youngblood 10:07
yeah, I’ll be glad to, you know, and, and one of the great things about, you know, telling stories like this brand, and I really want to acknowledge you for your work and for what you do with this This podcast is, is that by hearing the stories there, they’re that every man and every woman story, right, this is nothing special. You know, it’s not for some select few, it’s for every one of us. And, and that’s, you know, one of the things that gets to come out of this. And, you know, I have a model for the evolution of consciousness, and I call it the pathway to radiants. And there’s stages and, and in my own life, you know, a lot of the development of the model was based on noticing for myself what happened at various kind of plateaus in this journey. And, you know, I had a, I had an awakening moment. And it was when I hit rock bottom, and in my model, the first stage of everyone’s life is the wounding stage. This is when we’re born, and this is, you know, and we’re growing into a personality. And we’re taught all these limitations, and we have things done to us that leaves emotional scars, and energetic scars, for that matter. And, and then we come into adulthood, with the baggage, you know, all of this baggage. And that’s what makes us unconscious to who we are. And, you know, I’ve always been really curious about what leads someone to wake up, you know, what causes that to happen. And in my own life, I had to hit rock bottom, and that’s where most people crack open, they either have the opportunity, at that moment, the weight awakened to a higher expression of themselves, or clean to the behaviors that put them at rock bottom, you know, yes.

Brandon Handley 12:08
Do me a favor to like, how would you define waking up? What specifically do you feel like you’re waking up to,

mark youngblood 12:14
there’s more to me than this body, this personality. That was my first awakening, because it the actual event was I was highly ego identified highly. And I was also deeply wounded and insecure, and I needed to prove myself to the world. And so I started this business, and I was telling everybody, I was gonna make millions, it’s gonna be famous, it’s gonna be wealthy. And, and, you know, I pulled it off, I was able to actually build the product that I was trying to create, at bat couldn’t sell it, because I didn’t know anything about selling, and I put all my money into it. I was down to about two weeks worth of money, I was gonna not be able to pay my mortgage the next month. And, and I had been trying to avoid admitting I was going to fail, because I couldn’t admit that, you know, I was it, everything would fall apart. And it did. And it did. And I remember I was in a panic, I still hadn’t admitted it, couldn’t eat. I couldn’t almost, you know, couldn’t breathe. And I was sitting at breakfast, made some instant oatmeal. And I took a bite and was like sada could not even swallow it. Because I was so panicked. And I didn’t know anything about meditation. But I knew if I close my eyes, and I changed the color from red, from white hot, to read, to a cooler color to blue to deep blue to black. That calmed me. And I did that. And when I got to black, there’s something in me that said, I give up. Ice, I quit, I surrender, I can’t do it. And in that moment, everything within me lit up, like the most brilliant white light that you could ever imagine. But just blindingly lit up until all I could see was white in my mind’s eye. And I was flooded with feelings of well being and of love and comfort and peace. Well, my eyes popped open, and I felt like I had never seen the world before I walked outside and birds It was like I never heard birds so beautiful. I’ve never smelled air so pure. I never seen a sky so blue. Everything was just lit up for me. I went inside I was voraciously hungry. I ate three bowls of oatmeal, call my parents and said the company’s got this failing. I got to get a job. And that’s what we are. You know it was it was hitting bottom. And when I woke up to was this tremendous hunger to find out what that something more was because Some part of my soul was able to break through. And and I wanted more. And so I just started this incredible journey of reading everything I could get my hands on, starting to do kind of out there transformational things like holotropic breathwork. And oh, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 15:22
mean, I’m gonna jump in here real quick. I mean, because I mean, right there, right? I mean, you’re, it’s funny to me, right? You’re seeing a lot of breathwork popping up now in the social media space, but it’s always been going on, it’s just a new awareness to maybe this generation, right or this space. But at the time that you were doing it, my guess is like, when did you start doing that? breathwork

mark youngblood 15:49
I think there would have been in about 1985

Brandon Handley 15:54
or so. Yeah, you were getting some looks? Because you may you were getting some looks, you got the selfies that are, you know, yuppies are coming into their own right about that. Right? Right. Well, good mark, we told you we don’t do that. No more. Right. And so so you got those guys coming in at it. But I want to I want to touch touch on a couple of things that you’re talking about before moving forward. Because you know, you’re talking about your ego identity. I’m personally I always get caught up in exactly what ego is. But you know, you’re sitting there, you’re in a space, you’re being overwhelmed. You’re you’re feeling like massive constriction, you’ve lost like all flavor and sensation, like life sensation, like, I can’t, no more. And then the moment of surrenders is that kind of that, that moment of release? Yeah. And the giving up like I give up, doesn’t have to signify I give up on life. It’s like I give up on. I’m gonna say, pardon my French on my podcast, where I give up on all this shit. And I let it go. Yeah. Right. And as soon as you do that, as soon as you did that, yeah. You opened yourself up.

mark youngblood 17:02
Right? And here’s the thing about it. I, I didn’t know I was going to do it. It was spontaneous. And it doesn’t work to just go okay, I give a

Brandon Handley 17:13
we talked about this in your group the other day, right. And we talked about the idea that if this is something that you’re looking this in relation, my similar state of that space of this, the all of Canada, I jotted down here I tuned into a whole new channel right there like you went outside you like you You walk in as the Disney Channel now it’s all lit up. It’s vibrant. There’s their sense, there’s smell is this is like, where, where’s this? Where’s this wonderful place? Ben my entire life. Right? And it’s like, and it’s like back then. Right? Like, and I was already thinking about this earlier is like, we had we had those rabbit ears back then. Right? We had to tune in even like the UHF. If you really wanted to get like Fox back in the day, you had to like go to channel 47. And channel 47, you had to direct it, you know, put it put a little bit of aluminum on top there to really get to get to that channel. But you knew a sense of space. Yeah, that had always been available to you. Yeah. Right. But it wasn’t until you let go of who you thought you had to be to be successful. Or, again, just letting go of it all.

mark youngblood 18:21
It was, you know, probably letting go might not be a word that represents what it was more like a collapse. It was more like you think about the ceilings coming down. I’m getting crushed under the weight, I’ve been trying to hold it up trying to hold up and while I was holding up was the false image of who I was right. And, and trying to defend it against the world. And the weight got too much. And I just went I quit trying to hold it up. And it’s just like, and to me, it was ego death. And you know, there’s definitely a part of me died in that moment.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And this, I just want to get back to the point though, to where like you, it’s really hard to time this moment. Right? Nobody, nobody times overall collapse, right? A life collapse. You know what, like, I think Tuesday at 445. And falling heat to the ground with all with all this and it’s on the calendar

Unknown Speaker 19:17
is gonna happen, right?

Brandon Handley 19:18
If I’m lucky, I’m gonna have a spiritual breakthrough at the same time. Right? So don’t bother calling me at 445 on Tuesday, I’m busy. So that it doesn’t it doesn’t happen like that. And I think that was one of the things that you’re saying to Salt Lake. Yeah.

mark youngblood 19:33
Right. Right. Lots of other people wake up in different ways that I think many, many, many people wake up when they reach their own personal collapse. That could be you know, if you’re identified with your job getting fired, it could be a scandal. It could be you know, the collapse of your marriage or death of someone close to you a threat to your own life. Yeah, lots of things. And kind of in the painful way of waking up, can do that. But you know, it can also happen spontaneously just out of grace. You know, it’s, that’s what I was saying a while ago, to me, it’s a little bit of a mystery how it happens. And I don’t think I could have rushed it, I don’t think I could have done it, you know, in any other way. Now, I will say this, the people who are listening, if you haven’t had that moment, I do believe that you can gently evolve your way forward, using tools like a I’m gonna say, my inner mastery methodology, which is kind of a toolkit for emotional healing, you know, being able to change how you think clear your energy, that sort of thing. But there are other tools out there. If you devote yourself to doing that healing, proactively, without waiting for things to get bad, you’re going to be raising your vibration, and you will reach a threshold because there’s not just one threshold, maybe we ought to talk about this, Brandon is the plateaus, you reach a threshold new plateau, then you climb again, and you reach the next threshold, you break through to another kind of awakening to that next level of consciousness. And then you know, you’re there for a bit and then you climb, climb, climb, and you break through the next one. And you can get there you can break through without the world having to go to pieces, if you do your work, because this is as your vibration increases, you got to think about it. Kind of like turning the the stove, the heat on the stove up under a pot. And it reaches a boiling point. And at that point, everything in the water comes out, right? Because it’s boiling it out to the surface. Well, when you reach these thresholds, it’s a quantum leap, you’re here in your vibrational frequency and boom, you pop up to another frequency, but you still have frequencies in you that don’t fit this new frequency, they’re appropriate for that bed level you were before, and they’re going to boil out, they’re going to start coming to the surface to be cleared. And that’s why we call it a dark night. This kind of disrupts your world for a while,

Brandon Handley 22:21
I would have to say that, you know, I shared this again, in the group that I think that I you know, my first kind of stumbling into enlightenment as it were right. I hesitate to call it enlightenment, my, you know, I stumbled into just a different channel, right? A different way of being real similar to your moment. Right, and I couldn’t have timed it. But to your point, and maybe you reminded me of the book, neuro Dharma by Rick Hanson, too, right? He echoes your sentiment where you can cultivate this space, right? You can, you can, you can begin to do the work now. And that’ll make the landing or you know, the space, a little bit more prepared, right, like yours, because yours was under the heap of ego identification. You know, I was like, What just happened? Right? Like, you know, like, Where am I and what just happened. But if you kind of just do the study, eating the chocolate elephant, right, the elephant, you know, and with the idea of just cultivating the space for yourself, right? And I always, I use this line at work all the time that you gave me in terms of even coaching, right, or working with a teacher is that, you know, as like, Hey Mark, I’ll reach out to you, if I hit a wall or something you’re like, well, wouldn’t it be a better idea to like, I don’t know, kind of not hit the wall. Maybe just, you know, get some guidance, and just be like, Hey, hey, Brandon, there’s a wall up there. Don’t hit it. I like to say, you know, because, and again, we are so I think as as Americans, I would say hardwired to Yo, yo, I get it from my children, they’re still young, right? I can do this myself, right? Because we’ve asked them to do some things on their own, like, you know, we want you want you to be self sufficient, but we don’t want you to get hurt. Right. Right. And and so we, you know, it’s very difficult for us to ask for that help, or go to somebody to get that guidance, right. Because we’ve been taught that we’re supposed to kind of do this on our own. How do you How would you, you know, I imagine he would do it just like you told me like, well, maybe you don’t want to hit that wall, but like to somebody who’s not engaged in the space yet and wants to get there.

mark youngblood 24:40
Yeah, you know, I happen to think based on years of doing this work, you know, I did lots and lots of development, self development work by going to programs, like neuro linguistic programming, but then getting into shamanism and doing some really intensive work. shamanism and just different things like that. And over decades, I collected what works, at least what works for me. And kind of put it together, you can think of it like, you know, a cool toolkit or a medical kit. And, and you use the tool that’s appropriate for what needs to be changed in any moment. But I believe there’s four dimensions here that are vital to the journey, and you can’t leave any of them behind, or you’ll regret it. One of them is soul connection, is that it’s absolutely essential that you learn how to engage the soul in your journey, so that it will support you in that journey. And, in a real sense, do some of the clearing away of stuff for you, but will be your companion and you can get guidance from yourself. So that’s part one. And part two, is you have to be able to manage your thoughts, because we’re the CO creators of our reality. And our thoughts are going to play a huge role in what’s going to manifest for us. So being able to change your thoughts to learn how to not let the autopilot run things, but to stay in the driver’s seat is crucial. Third is emotional mastery. And this is not only do you not want to act out in the world in a way that damages relationships and, and that sort of thing, or, or suppress the emotions as a way to not act them out, you want to get in there and get rid of all the emotions that have been piling up since almost birth, because many of them are still there. And that’s leads to not only are they low vibration, and there’s some of the biggest boulders you need to move out, but they lead to inflammation in the body. And that leads up all the chronic diseases, and we’ve got an epidemic of chronic disease right now. And then the final is we’re energy beings, right. And as energy beings, we need to manage our energy body, just like we do our physical body. And you have to have hygiene, because we pick up each other’s energy and are you able to, to keep that heavy energy off of you. You know, it’s like, if you were to climb around the attic with a white outfit on, what’s it going to look like. And that’s what our world is like, and if you pick up everyone else’s heavy energy is going to bring your vibration down. But also we have vibrating frequencies, that are patterns in our energy body that are like magnets. And you can think of them as karma, you know, they’re the, they’re the unresolved patterns that are looking to be completed, they’re looking for the end. Like there’s this little musical tittie, that goes down that, again, it has an end to it. But if you went down after that, and stopped right there, there’s, there’s just this waiting and waiting and waiting for, you know, for it to finish. That’s the way these patterns are. And so they’ll stay there and keep attracting into your world. Everything you’re experiencing until you clear that pattern out and put patterns in place to manifest what you do want. So those are the four dimensions. It’s soul connection, mental mastery, emotional mastery, and energy mastery. And I think you need tools and all those dimensions, whether you get information you get them from, you know, any number of sources, is that you need to have those, you need to be able to do your own work to progress. So, I don’t know if that was a tangent or if that answered your question.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Well, I don’t know. I think that you know, for for sake of anything marketing wise, for dimensions that are vital. You know, that’s a headline right there. Totally using that. You know, as you lead into that, I was like, well, we need to know what this is. Right. So very good there. For sure. One of the questions I mean, I don’t know that I’ve ever noticed overly much in the groups or the workings that we’ve done together. As you as of a law of attraction kind of guy. Are you a law of attraction kind of guy? Or are you just kind of like, this is just how it works? I don’t call it law of attraction.

mark youngblood 29:14
Well, I mean, you can call it law of attraction, and because it is the way it works, and I don’t emphasize spending a lot of energy, trying to get the world to dance to your tune. I’ll spend a lot of energy on that. I did, I did early in my journey, you know, cuz it was kind of, you know, that shiny object exciting, right? It’s an appropriate part of most people’s journey to learn, hey, I can manage that stuff. And, and that’s totally cool. And it is cool. But it’s like, it’s like a, you know, a baby discovering they can talk, you know, but I mean, it’s our nature to talk. And it’s our nature to manifest and we’re, you’re already manifesting thing in your world, right? It’s just it’s not directed. It’s not intentional, right? And it’s disrupted by you know, a lot of the garbage that’s in the way of being able to bring in, you know, what would be a great life. But I would say my focus is on get clear about your life path, get clear about your life purpose, learn to tune in to guidance that shows you your path forward, and it’s going to open up for you. But part of getting there is your thoughts have to line up with that path. Right. And when you do, that’s not to say that you won’t have challenges, I promise you, you’ll have challenges. But it’ll feel right. You know, it feels like this is just the journey. But I bet you, Brandon, that you have had times when you weren’t on your path, that you had difficulties, and you knew something was wrong with the fact that you had those difficulties. Right.

Brandon Handley 30:54
So I mean, looking back and and even looking ahead and a right now, especially right as I think as we become more aware of this feeling of the sensation of you know, hey, I’m, I’m working towards this thing, and I’m putting way too much effort into it does that, you know, why am I putting this much effort into it? And is it on? Is it in alignment with my purpose and path? Right, and then we kind of take a look at it that way, you’re able to realize, oh, because it’s not in alignment with with anything that I truly believe in in life. I think that’s kind of what you’re getting at, right?

mark youngblood 31:31
Yes, that’s right. There’s a different feel to challenges when you’re on your path than when you’re off your path. And you know, you’re off your path.

Brandon Handley 31:39
100% I couldn’t agree more. I mean, again, spiritual dope is on my path. Yeah. Right.

mark youngblood 31:46
I can feel it in you.

Brandon Handley 31:47
Yeah. And, you know, it’s it very differently compared to the other two projects that I’ve spun up that were real similar, right. So those, that was a massive effort, massive, doing massive, like, ah, right, and, and, you know, the second one was less, and this one is even less, you know, more so, right. And there’s still moments to your point where I’ll be doing things I’m like, is this really is this necessary? Yeah. All this doing what I’m doing? And who’s this? Who or What is this? And even recognizing Who or What is this for? Is this for my ego? Right? It’s just for me, just to say, Hey, I just did this, and whatever. But, you know, I think one thing that I think I lost track of here in our conversation, this is all all been really, you know, great, great conversation, you know, so I want to go back to you being suffocated underneath of them, you know, your crashing moment? And how do we how do we, you know, move forward from that moment to integrate that awakening into the rest of your life and fulfilling life? Yeah.

mark youngblood 32:51
So so the question you’re asking that if someone right now is in that point, and they’re their breaking point, what do they do? Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 32:58
How do you move forward from there? And how do you Well, I think next up, you know, the

mark youngblood 33:02
thing I didn’t mention a while ago, and, and, and it’s crucial, really two pieces to in successful spiritual evolution. One of them is you have to have the tools to be able to do your work. But number two is you need a community. And I would say, to everyone out there, that the number one thing to do, even before you get tools, the number one thing is, is get with a spiritual community. Because that community is a space, it’s an energy, that when you tap into it, it’s going to lift you up. And this world, if you have to navigate it by yourself, there’s so much about it that is designed to cause you to go down and we call it the elevator, kind of go down the elevator to lower consciousness, and your community brings you back up your community lifts you up, and starts helping you see a vision for yourself that you never even saw for yourself before. And that’s part of you know, what I offer as well, I have a free community on Facebook and a common rating. So community and then one that you join in, it’s private, and it’s got a ton of content in it called salsa community. But that’s so you marry content with community and you’ve got a wonderful combination. And so, you know, I guess that’s my best advice is, is go get in a community and then start finding what are the tools and practices that I resonate with most that I will adopt and start using for myself because, you know, this is not about how anybody else fix you. This is not about having anyone else take responsibility for your journey. This is a fundamental thing that your journey is your job. And, and a lot of people don’t want it they they want someone to come do it for them. And and you’ll be waiting a long time. It just doesn’t work that way. You’ve got to be able to be the one sponsible

Brandon Handley 35:00
and that’s important, right? And I do love the community to definitely want to hit on the communities that that you’ve created. I would also, you know, I would also say to like, if you find a community, and it doesn’t, and it’s a spiritual community, and it doesn’t feel like a fit, leave, go find another one that feels like it’s a fit, because there are plenty of them out there, right? If you if you’re kind of in this space, and you’re like, I found a community, but I don’t feel like I’m in the right place, then you might not be and that’s okay. You might not be That’s right. One of the things that comes up a lot mark, I’d be curious to just kind of what your take is on it is that you see people who are often going through this process, and they feel like their relationship is hindering them from growing? And, and, you know, and it’s funny, because I initially struggled with this. But you know, I came pretty quick to terms to in my own relationship, and, you know, everybody’s relationships a little bit different. But, you know, it was like, Well, I’m not, we’re not growing at the same rate and pace. Right? You see that a lot? How do you address that to somebody that asks you,

mark youngblood 36:13
oh, my gosh, I’ve spent so much time thinking about that. You know, there’s, there’s a point at which the gap becomes so great that you’re operating from completely different worlds. And there’s almost no meeting in terms of making meaning of things, there’s no meeting of the mind that the meaning is fundamentally different. If the two people stay close enough, that they can synchronize their interpretation of things in the world, and then the path forward, so that you’re able you as the spiritual aspirant are able to continue to follow your guidance, you’re able to continue to walk your path, then that’s relationship that can continue to work. In my own personal opinion, speaking solely for myself, I believe that our number one job, you know, our number one purpose for being here is their spiritual journey. And if a relationship is holding you back, then it’s finished its job, it no longer serves you, it’s time to move on. Because there will be another one waiting for you, that is a partner that meets you where you are, and is ready to walk the path with you. And I had that happened to me divorced about 10 years ago. And it wasn’t a match. That’s all I’m gonna say. It wasn’t a match in terms of how we saw the world. And it was a big barrier for me to be able to move forward. And, and guidance, you know, I had several times where Spirit said, you work together as done, it was beautiful. It served its purpose, you know, it catapulted you on your journey. Congratulations, move on. And I fought and fought and fought until it ended up being a painful break. And right at that moment, a new woman came into my life, who happened to be my high school sweetheart, who had evolved tremendously in the 35 years since I’d seen her. And, and our journeys are perfect, you know, right, where her consciousness is, mine met hers. And we had been walking with spirituality at the center of our relationship ever since. And my consciousness has skyrocketed since that shift. So I’m only speaking for me. And there’s a lot of people with lots of family that are affected. And it has to be a personal choice. It has to be something you know that you get clear guidance on, what’s the right thing for you. And I always believe that, that the number one thing to do is if you get your own inner guidance, that’s your truth and follow it, no matter how painful it might be. Is that helpful?

Brandon Handley 39:04
It is helpful. It is helpful, right? Everybody’s journey is certainly their own. And you I guess one question that comes out of that, for me is, you know, why did you fight it to begin with? Right, what took Why did you know? Let’s talk a little bit about that fight.

mark youngblood 39:17
You know, I think I mentioned earlier that that we go through these plateaus, and we have these breakthroughs, okay. And this was a breakthrough for me, because I had I had tried to leave that marriage when my son was three years old. And I realized because we continue to go to counseling, and we were just separated. I hadn’t done my work that I was, is the least as big a part of the cause of what was going on is her contribution. And what’s the point of going somewhere else to ruin that relationship when I I could stay in this So I came back. And you know, and from that point on where we are married 21 years, so is there a long time. And believing meant going through that, again, leaving meant leaving my son who was a junior in high school, it meant going through the pain of a separation, it which is no picnic, and it wasn’t, you know, it was it was extremely difficult. And so I kept rationalizing it away, because it was that doing it would have been too painful. And spirit told me three distinctly clear times, move on, it’s, it’s time to go until there was a breaking point, something happened. And that was it. That was it couldn’t stay anymore. And it was certainly the right thing. But that’s what I would say, is that I was clinging to a smallness, you know, I was clinging to a smallness,

Brandon Handley 40:56
claim to a smaller thing, you know, as you were talking, just jot it down, like, you know, pain and fear, right? Like, who wants to go through all that? I mean, you know, like, you know, you’ve invested a lot of time, and energy, right, and believe that So,

mark youngblood 41:10
oh, friends, you got to remember, you know, you’ve built up 21 years of friendships and all that. And, you know, you have to everyone has to ask themselves, if the end of my life, what will have mattered, that I played small, and I didn’t upset people around me, or that I followed my truth. And I’m broke through and I would I had this massive shift in my consciousness. Yeah. And that’s something I think about all the time, there’ll be a point when we check out when not one thing on this planet is going to matter. Right? It’s kind of matter is the evolution that you achieved. Right, this spiritual evolution. Now,

Brandon Handley 41:49
that’s, that’s great. Thanks for sharing. I mean, I think that that’s, that’s really helpful for for people that, you know, who feel like they are kind of hindered by the things or you feel like they want to try and make it forward. And, you know, they, they, they’re suffering through a lot of the same stuff that you suffered, right, like the pain and the fear. And, you know, is, is something better on the other side of that, and for you something was right. And yeah,

mark youngblood 42:15
well, here’s what I would say to that, if you don’t mind me stepping in here, I don’t know is that when you say yes to your journey, Providence moves, that Spirit will come to you. And spirit will bring people it will bring the resources you need, it will bring the opportunities, it will support you and moving forward on your path.

Brandon Handley 42:38
Because it’s like that trust game, right? Where you fall backwards. And you know, I’m a big fan of Alan Watts, right? Where he, you know, he’s got that one, we’re just looking to trust the universe is another, right, and, you know, universe to be your friend. Let’s talk a little bit about that. And thanks for sharing, you know, kind of the journey into that space and kind of how to navigate going forward. Let’s talk a little bit about some of the programs that you’ve created. I know, you’ve got a couple books out there as well. Yeah, what did you know what is uh, you know, the program you’ve got coming up here. So Mark?

mark youngblood 43:12
Well, I would say the first thing people would want to explore would be the soul side community that is available for people to join. And, you know, you’re a member of that brain and you know, how magnificent You know, this experience is and, and how much evolution can come from it, and how much good can come from it. And when you join, you don’t just get to come into the community, and have, you know, all those people surrounding you and being supported and being able to show up now, let’s see more about that in a moment. But you’re also going to come in, you’re going to get some initial training for free. And initial training is the sole connection and divine guidance trainings, because job one remembering is to learn how to connect with yourself. So the very first thing you’re going to get when you come in is how to do that. And there’s I think there’s seven or eight lessons in that that are really powerful lessons, to in just a matter of a few weeks, achieving that goal for you, is to be able to have that connection. And to get that guidance, and the community itself. I provide content every week, you get some new information that will help you to learn and grow, provide new tools, new tips, we have group calls, zoom calls, that we get together and talk about a topic and everybody gets to share their point of view. And, and if you have questions about life, about your own situation about any of the training that you’re going through, then you can bring them up there and you’re going to get answered about one of the things you asked earlier. You know, and you’re making the comment that the people don’t ask for help because of this whole, you know, the strong you know, gotta be strong, do it yourself. But there’s another reason The other reason is the lack of safety. And that’s one of the things that community provides, is it is such a safe place, it’s utterly private, no one can see what’s happening in there. Everyone’s committed to everyone else, no one gets invalidated, nobody gets shamed, that you can say anything you need to say. And then people are baring their souls about crises that they’re having. And Kim, you know, helped me have the strength to move through it. You know, we don’t, we don’t fix it for anybody, what we do is support you in having the strength and, and knowing how to do it for yourself. And that’s one of the great beauties of this, as most people, most people never had a relationship. So honest, you know, so open, and so willing to be seen, and, and for others to be gentle, when you are trying to be seen. And it’s about kind of the messiness in your life. Right.

Brandon Handley 46:00
Absolutely. Real Humpty Dumpty stuff, right, like I fall down and all the king’s men Couldn’t put back together again, but like, you know, it is it is I love the idea of not fixing it for you. Right, I think helping others to fix it themselves with with the support of the community. Yes. Right. And not only, you know, with the supportive community, but with with some new tools, and not just with new tools. But hey, here’s how to apply these tools. Yes, what you offering do a really wonderful job. And one of the things that I like I love about what you put out there, and the support that you offer, and the community offers is patience. Right, right. And it takes it takes patience, because sometimes people like myself, you know, for example, they always get it right the first time. I know, that comes this sounds crazy. But you know, and so, you know, you work with it through to a solution for people. And another thing that you you offer offer, often that I see posts is you asked for prayers for people, right? Yes, I love that you do that. Right. So I think that that’s something that’s kind of underestimated the power of prayer, or we, you know, good vibes, or whatever you need to call it right, you know, I let’s all send like, you know, concentrated thought of good thought and healing towards this one space. And so, I enjoy that you do that? I don’t think I’ve ever shared that with you before. So, you know, I think that that’s a real powerful tool that you’re helping others to see for themselves. Yeah, one of the other tools that you you’ve given a couple of free transformational coaches assessments to me personally, yeah, I found them to be I was just thinking about it earlier. So the, the work that you do is so surgical. Right. But it’s, you know, when you think about it word for it really is though, is surgical, like and, you know, not like, you know, I’m a barber from the 1800s surgical, but like laser surgery, and where it doesn’t feel like I’m being you know, beaten and battered to our conversation, there’s a there’s a true, it’s not invasive, and I come out of it. And like, there’s like this, this is, you know, just amazing feeling. So I think that, you know, that’s, that’s awesome. And you share those with people through the group as well. The right wanted to, you know, once you just really quick, let’s walk through doing like, you know, I love the kind of the clearing the energy thing, walk, walk, walk us through, you know, we kind of do the cyclone process, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

mark youngblood 48:44
So, this would be a great thing, that’s a tool you can everyone can begin using right away. And it’s the idea that our energy body, you know, it interacts at an energetic level with everything and everyone, and we pick up other people’s energy, we also kind of off gassing our own negative energy. And if you ever saw the movie peanuts, and the little boy that walked on and, and dust just fell off them, that’s, that’s what our energy bodies look like, they’re really generally dirty. But there’s a very simple technique that gives you two versions of it, that you can use to clean this out and wash it out. And one of them is just thinking, imagining a white waterfall, you’re, you’re standing on a waterfall of white sparkling light, that’s washing down through every part of your energy field all the way out to the edges of your RF through every cell of your body, washing any loose or negative energy negative, and then a kind of evil way but negative in a heavy vibration way. So it’s washing this energy out and just visualize that and you can almost imagine water, this clean water coming in and then it gets dirty as it as it flushes this out. And you’ll you’ll start to have sensations you’ll feel lighter, cooler, often. So that’s the white waterfall, and a more powerful version. But different people respond to different forms of this is to imagine like a whirlwind like a tornado, that is a brilliant white light starting 30 feet above your head, coming down to the center of your body and out larger than your whole energy field, sweeping out that that heavy energy sweeping out the cells of your body, and then carrying that down 30 feet in the earth, and it deposits it there because there’s beings that will consume consume that energy, because it’s just, it’s just heavy energy. It’s nothing bad or toxic or bad. It’s just heavy, and you want it out of your field.

Brandon Handley 50:42
Now, thanks for sharing that. And I always find that to be I always find that process to be super helpful, right? It’s just yeah, helps me feel lighter, brighter, like, I’ve just been Clorox or something.

mark youngblood 50:56
Well, and you want to do it many times a day. Anytime you’ve gone out, and you’ve been around people, before you go to bed, it’ll help you sleep when you first get up. You know, you had a lot of people when they’re taking a shower, it’s a good reminder, I’m in the shower, let me just do a white waterfall on in the shower. And I call it energy hygiene. Yeah. And you keep your energy clean, just like you do your body. It’s one of many tools that are important. Like

Brandon Handley 51:22
something else you you hit on during that that I know that I’ve been personally struggling with is that when you think about the idea of you talks about kind of washing this energy away, or getting you know the cyclone to deposit this other energy. Yeah, and using the word negative simply because we don’t have a better term for it. But But what you’re saying, and I’m hearing, and it’s great for me, because I’ve always been like, well, I just want to be like all positive energy. So I’m gonna breathing positive, and I’m gonna read out positive and I’m not trying to bring any detriment to anybody anywhere. I’m gonna say it’s the idea is the idea of, you know, that energy, the may not be benefiting me may be benefiting something somewhere else. I like to thank you. Yes, that’s very helpful. Yeah, like, I’m

mark youngblood 52:20
okay. Right. It’s just, it’s just frequencies, right? Maybe we should call heavy because it’s heavy, this heavy energy that you want.

Brandon Handley 52:31
Yeah, yeah, no, and that’s helpful, right? Just the idea of, of, of that, which isn’t serving me may serve something or someone else. And in a positive, beneficial manner,

mark youngblood 52:44
right. By the way, one final thought on this is I may, is, every time you do any sort of healing work, energy work, meditation, yoga, you want to do one of those waterfalls, or whirlwinds. Because you’re breaking up at least little bits of energy. And if you don’t flush them out, they’ll congeal onto the structures of your energy body, and it’s still heavy. Yeah, getting there. So so just clean it out and let it go. And that’s how your vibration pops up and up and up and up. And you can imagine, you know, doing that, in the eating the chocolate elephant form of doing healing techniques, fleshing that out, how it just gets lighter, and lighter and lighter, and all of a sudden, you start to be intuitive. All of a sudden, you start to understand things, all of a sudden, you have greater emotional control, because more of your light is shining out. And you’re not having to try as hard anymore, to be a more magnificent, radiant person. That’s how it works.

Brandon Handley 53:43
It’s great. And thanks again, Mark. I mean, this is I actually I want to hit on one more thing is, is your book The the emotional mastery, but it wasn’t the emotional mastery of the book that you share with me. I wanted to mention that book real quick to people as a tool that Mark has craves, really, really well done. And I think that that’s another space that men in America, especially shy away from, right is dealing with their emotions. Yeah. So this job, maybe a five minute segment on how the how to start that work as a guy, right? Yeah, show mastery. Yeah.

mark youngblood 54:23
Oh, my gosh. You know, it’s interesting that you bring that up. You know, I’ve got to two communities. And the ratio of women to men is about 75 to 80% women, and they’re balanced as men. And we needed 5050 we need a lot more men to get on board with it. But the book is called dear human, mastering your emotions, dear human master your emotions, and I have a bunch of tools in there. That’s a really great book. And you know this brand and but I don’t think this audience is hurt yet. In the other part of my world I’m an executive coach, I work with CEOs and corporations and their teams, their senior team on how to be exceptional leaders. That’s your long program, one on one work, very intensive, and it’s all about consciousness. And these people brain And to your point, they’ll do an assessment and assessment comes in and goes, your emotions are shut down. And so a big part of the work is to get them to, you know, reclaim their emotions reclaim their body. And and also to not let those emotions run them. And to be we call it the pilot or autopilot who’s in charge here. Is your reactivity, your autopilot, and subconscious reactions running things, or is your pilot staying in charge? And then how are you going about that? So we teach tools for that we teach tools for this inner self mastery. And, and that’s one thing that men can relate to, you know, if you give them an analytical process that they can see where simple,

Brandon Handley 56:05
yeah, we’re simple creatures, we like pictures and things you can see, you know, you know, just tell me a map, and I’ll follow it.

mark youngblood 56:13
So here’s what I do I teach these tools, I have a tool called during the pain, that when you’re triggered, it’s a quick visualization to release the emotional energy may affect anyone who joins my email, this gets that immediately. give that away. That’s one of those must have tools. And so it’s a way that when you lose the charge, your head clears up, and you’re able to make better choices. But then there’s also, you know, how do you let go of insecurities and he clear those out? You know, how do you? How do you clear out old resentments? You know, what are the practices for that? So, one of the things I have found, as a motivator for men, I believe that was your question is how do we get men moving? What do you care about? Do you care about having a better marriage? Do you care about a better career? Do you care about being a better leader? What’s the goal that would make doing this work worth it for you? Because that’s what I do with my executive coaches to say, I mean, my executive clients, when I’m coaching them, what’s, what do you want to have happen? Well, I want to be able to be a CEO one of these days that, you know, I want to be able to lead this company and really have it grow, I want to have a huge impact on the lives of the people that work for me, awesome. Here’s what you have to do to get there. You know, so you can think of it like a Trojan horse, the Trojan horse, is the goal they want, you know, it’s the big shiny thing. And inside is the thing that delivers it, okay. And that’s transformation. That’s the raising of your consciousness, learning how to master your emotions and, and elevating how you see and interpret the world.

Brandon Handley 57:50
That’s powerful. Right? So I mean, essentially, you know, what I’m hearing you say is, you know, give them something to make the transformation worth it, right, be like, you know, help them to identify, you know, alright, well, hey, this, this, this massive goal for you in your life that you would like to get to? Well, guess what, the one thing that’s keeping you out of, from that space is everything that you’ve ignored for the past.

Unknown Speaker 58:17
You’ve done

Brandon Handley 58:18
really well with, you know, you got good grades, you did the right things, and you climbed the right ladders for right here, right now, where you’re at, you’ve got to address the shit that you haven’t addressed. My life. And, and, and it’s important to write and I think one of the things that I always hit on when I talk with some of my clients, or even just conversations is that, again, especially as men, and I’m sure there’s plenty of women out there, too, like, we’ve been told to shut we feel like we were taught to shut down our emotions. And so we don’t even have the the tools. Yeah, to to identify them. And and that’s that that doubles the frustration too, right? We’re like, wow, what am I feeling? Like? I don’t know what it is. Is it anger, frustration is all the things and just gonna lash out? Because you have no way if you don’t know what it is, how can you?

mark youngblood 59:16
That’s exactly right. And I was raised in a spare the rod spoil the child household. And my father was pretty extreme in his punishment. And then, you know, after he’d beaten us, he would say, Stop crying, or I’m going to give you another reason to cry. And so we just weren’t allowed to cry. I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard that story from other men. Yeah. And of course, their peers shall not simply show any sort of weakness and nothing worse than to be a boy called sissy. So sadly, now, I think it’s changing. You know, it’s changing. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 59:50
would say it’s changing. It doesn’t it doesn’t, you know, it’s, we’re definitely at the changing of the guard, right. We’ve got, we’ve got the boomers that you know, kind We still are holding on to, to that as we’ve got. And I hesitate to call it like an evil society or anything like that. Because again, you know, yeah, I think that each generation serves its purpose. Yeah. move us forward. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:16
Right. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:00:18
So to your point that I believe, that I see changing, could it also be that I’m so saturated in this space? That that’s all I’m tuned to? I don’t know, I’m okay with either one of those two, though, to be honest with you, right. So, in order to address some of this emotional mastery do do check out, first of all, the book that Mark has mentioned, I think that that I think that’s very helpful and beneficial. And then, you know, if, if you’re looking to join the community, where should we send people mark to go ahead and join the communities? Yeah,

mark youngblood 1:00:57
so there’s a free community that I’m in periodically, because I’m finished so much time and salsa community, it’s, it’s called the radiant soul community on Facebook, and you can just search for it. And it’s free, and you can join, that’s a public community. So it, you know, it’s lovely, but it isn’t the place you go to actually tell the truth and do your work, because it’s public. But to join the soul side community, here’s the link, and I’m going to read it to you. It’s go, like the word go dot pathway to radiants.com. Ford slash soul site. So it’s go dot pathway to radiants.com, slash Ford slash salsa. And you’ll go to a page that describes what all you get in the community. And you’ll see some videos where I’ve talked to you about it. And it’s got a, you know, if you get the money back guarantee, you know, there and it’s a 30 days free, so you get to trial for 30 days. And and once you join, you can quit at any time. And and so, you know, what’s, you know, what’s the risk, right? And you get to keep the training,

Brandon Handley 1:02:18
right, I love it, who is who do you think is an ideal fit for this program?

mark youngblood 1:02:26
I think the ideal fit are the people who are starting their journey. And the people, so beginner to intermediate, I do have training for advanced, it won’t be there probably for another year. But for right now, if you’re beginner to intermediate, and you’re wanting support to really accelerate the transformation of your life, to raise your vibrational frequency to evolve your consciousness. And in doing that transform your world for the better. If you’re hungry for that, then this is the place we’re going to support you in that, we’re going to give you the tools to be able to heal and to and to let go of the stuff that’s blocking your soul light from shining. And, and you’ll, you’ll see dramatic changes and even a year, you know, you’ll see dramatic changes in a year.

Brandon Handley 1:03:24
So I’m gonna, I’m gonna just jump in here to and share that I believe that what one of the things that I really enjoy about your community and the materials that you’ve created to help accelerate the journey, or even facilitate the journey, right, not even necessarily accelerate, it could be there. But it’s in a world where there’s a lot of Whoo, which I enjoy the hell out of it. Right. I enjoy that content. And in and in the world of, you know, just corporate, you know, follow these rules, lines, and whatever you’ve created what I would, I would, I would, I would say a happy medium. Yeah. Right. Which which, which allows for anybody in off the streets to come in into a space where, you know, you’re not gonna nobody’s gonna shove CBD oils in your face. And, you know, you’re not gonna get like, I hit a pothole you as soon as you step in, and you can have real honest conversations. There’s some other groups that I’m in to where, and I’ll not say they’re not right or true or anything, but there’s something they’re not for me, really, they’re talking about, like, Oh, I was possessed by a demon. And then they go off on these, like, there’s none of that, which makes me feel more comfortable because I feel like I’m surrounded by normal people. Yeah. normal life who are on their journey, right. And so, so no, that’s

mark youngblood 1:04:49
that’s such a great point. Yeah. Thank you for calling that out. And I think I’m an everyday guy, you know, somebody who can sit down and look eye to eye with the CEO and talk to him. About how to run this business, and also someone who can guide you on a shamanic journey. You know, it’s about grounding it. You know, to me, it’s all about, can I use it to live a better life? Can I use it to bring more light into the world? Can I use this predictably to evolve my consciousness? And that’s what I care about, you know, and that’s, I think, what you were pointing out and what you’re describing

Brandon Handley 1:05:25
now 100% Exactly. So Mark, thanks for being on today. We can go over to I scroll all the way up to the top we go go that pathway to radiants calm soul side if this is a program that appeals to you, Mark and you’d mentioned a email program to His will. What if they just want to join your email list? How would they do that?

mark youngblood 1:05:50
Yeah, so to join my email list, you want to go to drain the pain calm drain just like the drain in the sink, drain the pain.com and you’ll see some information there you just sign up and and you’ll you’ll get a bunch of really great stuff right away including the drain the paint at me. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:06:12
I’m just gonna you know keep piling on the the love for Mark and the tools that he’s given here during the pain technique is really awesome. super beneficial. That was in one of our we did that one of our sessions. Together, you walk you through it, and I just did the amazing, just just amazing techniques and you’re going and you can’t sort of stuff you can’t describe as this the stuff you’ve kind of got to experience for yourself and go through it. But so for a few of you listened and you’ve made it all the way to the end here today. Head on over to drain the pain and check it out and you know, reach out to mark for some of these other awesome communities. Thanks again,

mark youngblood 1:06:48
Mark. All right. Thank you, Brian has been just an absolute pleasure.

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