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Erin McCullough Spiritual Dope

Erin McCullough is a thought leader, an in-demand speaker and an international teacher that helps people create IMPENETRABLE JOY so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life, NOW! Erin had an Anxiety Disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year. Through that experience she learned how and why that happened and developed strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she now teaches. Erin vowed that when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience, so that has been her mission. Erin spent a decade studying the Mind/Body connection, Visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decade she has created simple strategies to Overcoming and Preventing Anxiety, Stress, Worry and Overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally in Joy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are and what you are meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy.

Connect with Erin at https://www.erin-mac.com/

The transcript below is machine-generated and unedited.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Erin McCullough. She is a thought leader in the main speaker and an international teacher that helps people create impenetrable joy so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life. Now, Erin had an anxiety disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year, through that experience to learn how and why that happened and develop strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she’s now teaches. and vowed that she, when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience. So that has been her mission. There’s been a decade, studying the mind body connection, visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decades, she’s created simple strategies to overcoming and preventing anxiety, stress, worry and overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally enjoy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are, and what you’re meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy. Erin, thanks for your work in through the technical difficulties. As a as I told you, I’m working on this newer platform. But thanks for thanks for joining today. How you doing?

Erin Mac 2:05
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. I’m wonderful. How

Brandon Handley 2:08
are you never been better. My whole life has led up to this point. So you know, here we are. Here we are. So I like to start these off with the idea that we are deal sources. We’re talking about like a little bit before we got started here that we are all our source and that the universe speaks through us. And that right now in this moment, the universe is speaking through you to one of the listeners today. What do you have to tell that listener?

Erin Mac 2:36
Well, first and foremost, I believe it is our birthright to be predominantly in joy all day, every day. And if that’s not the experience you’re having, then keep listening. We’re going to talk about all the things strategies, and you know why we’re here what we’re meant to be doing. You know, all the things,

Brandon Handley 2:59
all the things all the things that I love, I love that you kind of chose joy had to go out and I had to go out and grab my, my joy mug. Oh, no. It’s actually like pretty much one of my favorite mugs right as the idea of what you kind of see out first thing I pick up and I carry around, I see I get to see the word joy everywhere I go when I’m drinking out of the mug. So definitely enjoy it. definitely enjoy the word joy and glad that we have the opportunity to talk about it. And I’m also going to be very honest with you. Before I went in, I checked you out a little bit more I was like what kind of fit is this? Right? What kind of fit is this? Because, you know, being a you know, more of a thought leader and all this I suppose like what’s the spirituality fit me and you know, so in your mind, though, like the work that you do is spiritual, you know, the the personal development is spirituality work. Is that set? Right? Is that fair? Yeah. Well, let’s talk about let’s talk about the journey, right, let’s talk about breaking through anxiety. Let’s talk about, you know, how you found yourself in an anxious position and kind of some of the things that you did to work your way through it.

Erin Mac 4:06
Awesome. So you know, my story has kind of like three moments, defining moments, if you will. The first started with the anxiety disorder that you spoke about. It actually came about in talk therapy. I was going to a couple’s group counseling with my husband at the time. And in that first session, I had a panic attack and I never had one before so I had no idea what it was. And the counselor picked up on it right away she explained all you know what it was and first she told me what it was she didn’t really exactly explain what it was. I figured that out later, but she told me that’s what was happening and and from there, you know, she said something’s obviously coming up for you. Would you like to do some individual work and In that individual work, you know, I was telling my trauma story over and over and over again. And what my body decided to do was put up the defense mechanism of anxiety. And so it got so bad that as you said, I hold myself up in my home. You know, it didn’t, it wasn’t an overnight thing and happened gradually, panic attacks, more panic attacks, then, you know, I had one was running, and I was training for a race at the time. And so I felt like I couldn’t run anymore, at least temporarily. And so I stopped running. And then I stopped teaching, I was a teacher at the time. And so it happens that way, you know, slowly, it’s not just one, you know, wake up, and, and no candu. After about nine months of that, she referred me to a homeopathic psychiatrist, who gave me a remedy after a three hour interview, that in 20 minutes basically cured me from the experience of anxiety. That’s the physical chemical piece, right? And I thought, wow, I have a new lease on life, you know, I can go and do all these things. But because of that experience, I was afraid, right. So I decided to move to Hawaii, and move to a small town and have a simpler life, right? Thinking that, you know, then I would never get triggered. And I would just live my life happily ever after in paradise. And unfortunately, while the chemistry piece was handled the mental emotional spiritual piece, not so much. And so I was still there. So in that simpler life, of course, I created anxiety, stress, and all that. So I moved to Hawaii. Immediately, in the first 24 hours, I started a business and I had a client. Within 18 months, I had 20 employees, multiple six figure contracts. And, you know, I was on my way to stress and anxiety. And the second thing that happened that really rocked me to my core was I 10 years into my business of just being frantic and crazy, stressed all the time. A client called in the morning, she was upset, and I would just get so frantic about clients complaining, they got in my car, raced over to a friend’s house, backed into a driveway to drop my daughter off, and I sideswiped her husband’s car or her his truck with my car. And come to find out later, when I came to pick up my daughter, that her husband was under the truck working on it while I hit it, and he thought it was gonna land on him. And that just rocked me to my core, I thought, This is ridiculous. Like, this is no life, you know, running around like a crazy person all the time. And so then I dove, you know, into self development, got involved with a seminar company did all their seminar staff for them, and started to see that there was a different way to be in this world, and starting to make some changes, that we’re having an impact on my life and other people around me. And then about five years later, I

found myself in the middle of a divorce. And for whatever reason, it just leveled me, I was in a dark place. And I thought, you know, I’d spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on seminars, reading all the books, you know, trying to do this other life, but I didn’t really have any legit strategies to doing life differently. So then a series of things happened. I picked up the book, maybe you’ve heard of it, the Course in Miracles, and was about a month and two reading. It’s a daily passage for about a year 365 passages. And nothing I was kinda like, this is interesting, but not really rocking my world. Then all of a sudden, month two, this crazy thing happened where the word started, like popping off the page. It was like the path is joy. The answer is joy, joy, joy, joy. And I was like, finally after a couple weeks of that, I was like literally threw my hands up in the air. I was like, I got the answer. How do I get there? And a series of things happened. I got an email from a gentleman I met. He was teaching a seminar in a wahoo and I thought I’ll fly over for that. I have no idea what it is doesn’t matter just need something positive. And I went and it was a day long seminar on a visualization process that he teaches. And I was so excited by it. I came home and I started using it immediately called my broker who had had my business for sale for like nine months with no bites. And I was like look, I just want to let you know my business is going to sell by the end of the month and there’s going to be a bidding war. And it was like, okay, and long behold a week later That’s exactly what happened. And then I went back and trained this gentleman that I had gone to that seminar, he was having a seminar, to train people to teach his main seminar. And I went and trained for a week I came home, put on my first seminar, and I stood in front of this group of people, and I ditched my notes, five minutes in, because I had this crazy experience where like, everything that I had ever learned, all of my life experience, everything I had ever read, just came together, like at one moment, I went, Whoa, like, this is what I’m supposed to do. Like, I’m supposed to teach people how to find their joy, cultivated daily, and live the life that they’re meant to be living now, without waiting for all the things or the, you know, whatever they think they need to have in order to have that, like, that’s available now. And I happen to also during that few week period, meet the love of my life in these very random circumstances, which I don’t believe in random anymore. And, and so it just all lined up. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last almost four years.

Brandon Handley 11:11
That’s awesome. I mean, and it’s interesting, right, that you came, you kind of came out of a, from what I gathered was more of a business oriented kind of thing versus this pursuit of joy, right, are you that you’re doing now? And I think that I heard you say, on another podcast that, you know, maybe some of this is Woo, but if it is, woo, it’s working out for you. And and you’re okay with it, right?

Erin Mac 11:39
I mean, that’s the thing, you know, people always say, Oh, that’s kind of woowoo. For me, I’m like, I’m looking at woowoo people, they look pretty happy as all I can say. Something too, and

Brandon Handley 11:50
it’s pretty amazing. The idea to have, you know, just try some of these things out for the first time. Very go into a very skeptical, right, this vision process that you’re doing that you’re thinking about, while it seems pretty cool. But then you you go and you try it. And then things start working out. Right. I mean, talk to me a little bit about that. So how did that have that come? And like kind of manifest itself? What was some of your initial reactions when you saw, were even calling it the universe? And what were you calling it? Well, like, what was your know, kind of how, how was that for you?

Erin Mac 12:30
You know, it’s kind of crazy, because you know, how it’s like life. I mean, again, it’s like life unfolds slowly. And you don’t recognize exactly what’s going on. So you look back and go, Whoa, like, look at all these things that happened. That’s crazy. It took me a while to even recognize how much I knew that I was feeling better that I knew. And honestly, you know, I just, I thought I knew what joy was, I thought I knew what happiness was. The thing was, is I was on this, like, roller coaster ride of things, right? It was just like I was so 100% bought into the idea that if I had all the things, you know, a stack of cash, and the house and the car and the successful business, and all the things that we’re told is gonna make us be happy. I had all those things, and I was so miserable, right? But I didn’t even know that it was possible to experience joy. Do you know what I mean? Like I really just didn’t even know what was available.

Brandon Handley 13:39
So I think it’s really interesting that you bring it up, right? I think there’s this, you know, Tale of Two Cities type of thing, where you went, and you got all these things, and you did all the things because this is what we’re taught. But that’s been my experience is like, hey, go through all these things. Because this is what you’re taught. Right? And you’re not doing it maybe with the same intent that some of these other people are doing it right, you’re doing it to a mass and acquire and to be happy and to have status versus what you’re doing now, which is to implement, purpose, intent, and service, right, and the outcome that you’re headed towards now. Right? If you haven’t, I’m sure you’ve already achieved. I mean, listen, if you landed in Hawaii has some clients on the first day and you know, whatever, you know, a mask pretty quick like that, you know, whatever it is that you’re doing right now, I’m assuming is successful, in one way or another, right? And but now it’s aligned to who you are with your purpose and there’s fulfillment and joy in that and the rest of it just kind of comes naturally, right? It comes as a byproduct of that intent and that purpose versus if you could compare To the way that you are running life before, right? You were miserable. You were like, anxious and you know, knocking people’s trucks over on him. Right? And now I’d like you’re doing maybe the same work, I don’t know. But what’s the effort feel like, compared to what you’re the effort felt like before.

Erin Mac 15:21
I mean, you’re, you hit it right on the head, like I am 100% in service of people and myself. And while that may sound selfish, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of where you got to be when you’re in service to people in this way, you know, and it’s a whole different experience, you know, before it just felt like I was grinding, grinding, grinding all the time, you know, like, it took all these things in order to make success, like I really, you know, there are these ideas that we have from a young age, you know, success looks like this formula. It’s right. It’s like, it’s like, hard work plus luck, right, you know, like this, you know, formula of success. And I was 100% bought into that, too. And now, it’s not like that, it’s like, it doesn’t seem like work. It’s not a four letter word anymore. For me, it’s 100%. Like, like, when I give to clients, I give to myself, like, it’s such a win win. Whereas I definitely didn’t function that way in my life before 100%. And now it’s like, you know, while I still have to negotiate, you know, time, you know, balance the things out in my life, this never feels like something I’ve have to do. Like, I’m excited to do it all the time. I feel called to share what I know, because it’s had such a profound impact on my life.

Brandon Handley 16:51
I think it’s interesting to how, you know, on your first seminar, you kind of tossed off to the side and everything you ever knew, kind of fell into this framework. Right, and you were able to just let it freely flow. Right? I mean, what, what looking back, what would you say happened there?

Erin Mac 17:15
Oh, I, I was, you know, I think we’re guided all the time. I think we have support all the time, from all the things, you know, universe, energy in general, you know, I mean, scientifically speaking, energy cannot be destroyed. So every person who’s lived, their energy is here to you know, and, you know, that’s why people talk to loved ones that have passed, and, you know, like, they still the energy is still hear it’s exist, so why not tap into those things? I think, you know, it happens to me all the time. And I’m not gonna lie, it was freaky. You know, because it’s, you know, for somebody who’s like a recovered control freak, you know, a bunch of people and all of a sudden, just free flowing. And not to say it was just random all over the place is still stuck to, you know, we had a workbook and things but, you know, to go off the notes, I still do that. And I just, and I, and I recognize, I mean, even sometimes when I’m on podcasts, like, I’ll just, I’ll wake up in the middle of it and go, Oh, like I, you know, I wouldn’t say it’s me, I want to say channeling, but it’s like, it’s taking energy that exists. Like what I’m telling what I tell people and how I’m in service to people and the information that I share with people. Like it’s not new to me, like I didn’t make this stuff. Right. Right. Right. This is a real learning. Right, right. And when I’m teaching, I see it in the students, it’s like, they can hear me on a deep level, even if they’re not consciously aware of what I’m saying. They’re feeling on a deep level. And that’s coming from not me, you know, I mean, I hear it and I can disseminate that information, distill it down. But it’s, it’s exists, we’re all connected to it one way or another.

Brandon Handley 19:06
No, 100%, right. Truth resonates. And that’s the kind of that that’s the experience and you’re talking to somebody else. And you’re in a room with with these people and and you’re having a truth session on the value column, right? It’s your truth, this is kind of coming through you. And you’re like, I don’t even know, I didn’t even know I could do that. Right? But then, but then the rest of the room is resonating with you. And to me, that’s kind of what it sounds like as happening. And you know, call it channeling. It’s funny too, because, like we we still have our limitations on what we’ll call it, right? Like, I don’t know that. Yeah, I don’t know, I call it channeling I don’t know, you know, whatever. But you know, what you’re doing is you’re at least letting yourself open to, to it, whatever, whatever it is, to come through and to to and through you. Right as a kind of a receiver translator as it were.

Erin Mac 19:59
That’s it. receiver for sure, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and I think we’re all we all have that ability.

Brandon Handley 20:07
I mean, it’s an eight, right. And so, I mean, I don’t know how old your kids are, you know, I’ve got my, my nine year old. And it’s so and and my older child to 11. But you know, it’s so obvious just how like innately in tuned. The children are, right as as as it is and, and then you can kind of watch it literally be kind of like almost a brainwash, but brainwashed out of them, right, like, you know, just kind of have those senses gold and like, you know, go through like this other thing, and you just kind of watch it, you’re like, wow, that’s crazy. Because we go through this relearning experience later in life. Are you an Alan Watts fan? I don’t know who that is. Oh, my gosh, come on now. All right. Alan Watts. Yeah, Alan Watts. You know, he’s a kind of philosopher made. Popular lies, Zen Buddhism. And in the West, West, it’s like in the 60s 70s, right? English guy, you really enjoy him. One of the things that he talks about those, it’s like, it’s like, we’re like salted beef, right? We get all salted and you got it. You got to desalinate that beef. And then you’re like, you’re back to your natural state at a certain point. And that’s, again, sounds to me. I like the way you’re the way you’re going. Right? You’re feeling into it. The what was the cure? I mean, because you had the homeopathic guy, right comes and gives you the cure. What was it? Do you recall? Was it like, a miracle pill? You know, help me out here.

Erin Mac 21:51
Now Now what? homeopathy is so interesting. It’s so distilled down the amount of whatever the substances may come in. Have you ever taken it before? That’s like little tinctures, tablet. They’re little pills. Yeah, no, tiny, tiny little granules. And, and they taste like sugar. And they have just, I mean, it’s almost like they have essence of the thing. And it really is for the purpose of sort of writing your own self, right? So you introduce it to the body, and the body goes, Oh, that’s right. We use a function fairly normally, in this stage. Here’s the thing that I need. And interestingly enough, when she gave me the remedy, she told me what it was called. And she said, I don’t want you to research it. And this is pre internet. It’s not pre internet, but it was definitely internet was not a thing. Really. This was like 99, there was no Google. Yeah, it was not, there was no verb called Google it. And so, you know, she was just like, I don’t want you to research this. And, you know, just see what happens or whatever. And, you know, and I, I mean, I almost don’t want to say what it is because I don’t want people with anxiety to think that that’s the cure all it’s not the cure all, it was just the thing that made me feel better enough to get on the path to recognizing that the work is internal, emotional, spiritual, and then the body follows.

Brandon Handley 23:29
It’s so interesting, though, right? Because we, we’ve, we believe the other way around, right? Because we see the things that everybody’s doing, but we can’t see the inner work, we can’t see how they’re thinking, functioning, or directing themselves internally to get to that point. So we’re like, Alright, well, I’m just gonna go do all those same things. Right? And it doesn’t it doesn’t work out, right? Because we’re not we’re not aligning all three of those pieces of ourselves together. We’re just like, we’re hammering on one at a time. Right?

Erin Mac 24:02
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you see people they have you know, I work with a lot of people who have cancer and other diseases because that’s mental emotional, spiritual two, I believe were three equal parts you know, mind body spirit. And if any of those are out of alignment or out of balance, it’s going to show up in the other ones right and in a negative way or and that not wanted way. And often we can, you know, we can skip past mental and spiritual right we can we have all kinds of ways to not feel and acknowledge and, you know, the obvious ones are drugs and alcohol, the less obvious ones are things like being super busy, not ever having any stillness in our life, you know, being helicopter parents, you know, the SWAMI we spend all day every day Trying not to feel any. And, you know, and so you can imagine, and we’ve done it from a young age, like, it’s not really our fault. It’s, you know, we’ve grown up to this idea that we’re not supposed to have emotions, we’re not supposed to feel those things, only very controlled and in very specific ways, depending on the environment, you know, like, can’t cry in a business meeting, you know, you know, are you crying out to lose it? No crying in baseball.

Brandon Handley 25:32
I know, my first, my first go around, like in the podcast room and coaching space was fatherhood. And a big point of what you’re saying there’s is especially as Western civilization, men, emotions, come on now. You know, yeah. That’s it. I mean, and that’s a brilliant question too. Because we don’t know, we don’t know, one of the one of the tools that I use, often is the blue check wheel, right? Just just has the emotions kind of listed out, I hand it to my clients, I’m like, you know, go through it. You know, take a look at this every day, if you don’t know what this one means. Or if you if you think that you do, go double check the definition of that and just see kind of how you’re applying it in your life and how you can use it to, you know, acknowledge your situation, because we don’t we, I suppose I was like, 40, or something I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I was, I guess, like, you know what, because I had a, I had a coaching friend, he goes, because Brandon, I’m not hearing anything emotional, or there’s nothing emotional. I was like, Oh, let me go check that out. I was like, Well, I

Erin Mac 26:32
mean, unfortunately, our society, especially for a man, like you really only allowed to anger is the only like, standout emotion and now, that’s just as tragic. But that’s changing slowly, as

Brandon Handley 26:45
well. You know, I like to call kind of where we are right now in whatever culture like a hippie 2.0 situation. Right? Right. We’re kind of like a hippie 2.0 situation where like, okay, like, maybe if we don’t deal with all the drugs, it’ll work out better this time, right, like, cut it out on like, the illegal substances. And, you know, we can still get to this place, mentally and spiritually, right. And, and, and since we’re seeing that, there’s, there’s the actual benefits are being seen and heard, and, and I think that the pandemic had such a huge influence, because nobody was spared. Right? If anything good came out of level, it’s like, it’s like, level set everything. So, so for the, you know, for the CEO, or business leader that could normally like hop on a plane and do everything that like, his employees couldn’t, he was stuck at home to with the kids having to deal with the zoom meetings. He wasn’t getting a you know, he wasn’t getting a free ride out of it. Right. And so his mental, her mental health was impacted as well. And they’re like, Oh, shit, everybody’s gone through this, we’d better do something. Right. So we see, right? I mean, so I think there’s some benefit out of this whole COVID situation to huge, right, right, the right mental health space of people, spaces, places and things. So if I am coming to you, and I am like, the client type I am is who you were before you got to this choice spot, right? Um, you know, I’ve got success, not like, you know, I’m not Whoo, kind of guy, my calendars, you know, tight and all this stuff. What are you what are some of the first things that we’re gonna do together?

Erin Mac 28:39
First, we’re going to acknowledge and begin to make some separation between the story that’s been running your life, you know, the story of all the rainbows and sunshine, a story of all the, you know, the yucky, the fit, the unfair, the unjust, the abuse, trauma, all those things, not for the purpose of wallowing in and you know, it just to acknowledge where we started, and maybe what’s affecting some of the ways that we see this world, how we perceive people and circumstances, and then take that story and recognize it for what it is the gift that it has been, and will continue to be in terms of showing us where healing and growth can take place. And you know less about all the things all the details in terms of, you know, who and what happened and all of those things. It’s really more about what did you decide about you because of that story. Those are the beliefs and then when we recognize some of those beliefs, then we can understand that, you know, that’s been playing out in the background, that’s the wallpaper so to speak of our lives, you know, where we make decisions from and a lot of the decisions are fantastic. We need not mess with those, but the ones that aren’t serving the future that we want to create. Those are the ones we want to take a closer look at. And so then, from there, I have people do a day, I have them write out a narrative of the day in the life of everything they ever wanted to create in our life, you know, all outcome based, you know, all you know, all the fields, you know, touch, taste, see, smell the whole deal. So exciting, you know, ever, like literally for a moment, wake up until moment go to sleep one day with everything in it, all the people, all the circumstances, all the outcomes. And then they use that in a visualization. And they start their day, because that’s where I found my joy was in that visualization. Understanding a day in the life now, is it about manifesting? Not exactly. It’s really about elevating the emotional experience, because you have that at your disposal at all times. And so we learn that we can our body doesn’t forget things. So when I’m in my visualization in the morning, like, My arms are in the air, I’m like, super excited, like, yes, that just happened. And then yes, that happened to and I mean, tears of joy streaming down my face. I mean, it’s all the things, I’m 100%. And on every level, I’ve raised my emotional experience. And then, like I said, the body doesn’t forget. So when you have that experience, you can recall it at any time. So when you’re going throughout your day, things start to go south, you can put yourself Take a moment, close your eyes, put yourself back into that moment, refocus and move on, versus what most people do is go out, this thing’s not working out. And then there’s all these other things that aren’t working out, there’s that thing, and then there’s another thing I didn’t like, and then this other person, and then you know, and so just got to read the brain and just, it loves to do the same stuff over and over again, and act like it’s new.

Brandon Handley 32:08
Yeah, it’s not. I mean, I think the idea of the brain, right, it’s, uh, likes to be an efficient piece of machinery, right? consumes so much energy, the more efficient it can be. And so let’s just keep doing this thing, because it’s just, you know, hasn’t killed us in the past? Right? If we just keep doing this, we will die. And we may not be enjoying our lives. But you know, it, you know, hasn’t killed us before. So I enjoy I enjoy the visualization. And and I think that there’s a big piece of what you’re saying there that a lot of people when you’re doing these exercises, don’t hammer home, I think, quite enough. And that’s something I think you’re touching on is the idea of the feels. Right. So my guess is that this is kind of a writing in the present tense exercise. Right?

Erin Mac 33:00
Yeah, preferably, you know, again, outcome base, so you want to say in gratitude, right, because of high vibration, it’s, you know, I’m so grateful that, you know, all these things are happening in my life, you know, as though they’ve happened already, as they exist in the now. Right. And they will, in your visualization, they exist as already taken place, and done deal.

Brandon Handley 33:25
Right. And I think that, that the idea is that I’m just, I’m just feeling your words now. Because I heard you saying earlier today, the idea is that, you know, what wants to give us the idea that right, so if I can feel it right now, then what’s that doing for me?

Erin Mac 33:42
Yeah, that’s creating, so I can’t tell you how to get all the things. I mean, I think, you know, for me, they’ve come by being in that elevated state. And so, you know, I, what I help with is changing the experience of life, you know, and I think that’s a heck of a lot more important than amassing things, you know, if, if I could show you how to change your experience in your life to joy, right now, by doing this visualization, that seems more valuable to me than, you know, telling you how to make six figure seven figures, whatever, you know, to me, other people, you know, they have other ideas, and that’s wonderful. And, and I don’t proclaim to, you know, claim to be able to help with those things. But I know how to find joy and I know how to cultivate it so that you can have that experience. And that’s, you know, that’s the first step is to recognize that you are responsible for your experience and when you know this, not in like fault blame shame kind of a way, in an empowering way, then you can just choose and choose and choose. Just keep choosing that thing that makes you feel good now, it doesn’t change anything, have goals, do all the other stuff, too. That’s amazing. But, you know, given that we only have this moment here, guaranteed why not make this one enjoyable? You know?

Brandon Handley 35:16
Yeah, no, agreed, agreed. And, you know, if I’m, if I’m, if I’m a law of attraction guy, if I’m, you know, in that space, right, this is how I would, you know, kind of liken it would, and I don’t know who it is, there’s plenty of them out there. That’s like, you know, the happiness doesn’t kind of come later comes now, right. And if you can be happy now, and whatever the circumstance, like you’re talking about, then you can make that choice. Again, like you’re talking about all the time. You can find joy all the time, and anything and all you’ve got to do is again, like you’re saying, If I go through the morning, and I had this visualization, I’m like, Well, I’m feeling the feels. It’s all there for me, everything’s great. Ah, and then like, you know, late in the day, I’m not so feeling the feels. And I’m like, Well, wait a second. early in the day, I was feeling the feels. And this was like that kind of anchor point. Right? Let me get back to that for a second. Because I created that moment for myself. Right, versus kind of letting something outside of me create that it was me who did that Creator of all these things, then, here I am. I’m always like, kind of high vibe. And I’m always like, buzzing, right. And then, you know, you’re basically sending that out into the universe, right? Like, just kind of this this high vibe. And, you know, if we act as if the universe is a force multiplier, right? We know that like anything, you’d come out and throw out, there’s coming back at you like, Well, I better stop, throw a monkey poo, right, like and start the things that I could really use in my life that I want in my life. And then you know, and visualize that and see it, feel it and release it right. I think that’s important, too, is kind of just like, release it and not hang on to the idea that it has to happen, right? You’re talking about the people that are like, well, this, Aaron, I tried this for three days, and it didn’t show up. My life did not change the way you said it was. And I’ve you know, I’ve been doing all the things you tell me to do. But I mean, the idea, again, is to go through those fields, have them do the visualization. And release it because again, you’re creating your own, you’re creating your own space, please in time, let’s face that, right.

Erin Mac 37:25
Yeah. And I got two things to say about that. One is I want to talk about the difference between happiness, his idea of happiness and joy, because they’re different. And I forgot what the other one is. But I’ll talk about the happiness, the joy, that one the rest will come. Right. So to me the difference between happiness and joy is that happiness is fleeting, right? It’s you get the new car, it’s amazing. Eventually, it’s just a car, right? It gets you from A to B, and this game of, you know, getting the things to make you feel good, it feels good for like this amount of time, right. And I only know that because I did all those things. I had the houses and the cars and the successful business and the time flexibility, all the things that everybody would want. And I literally kept like going over finish lines. And going, yay, hooray. I’m happy right now. And then, like, when I was doing trap all the stuff of go across the finish line, I would go home after celebrating for like five minutes. I mean, maybe like half hour or whatever, go home and find another race that I could either crush my time in that was longer hard or whatever. Like there was no end to it, like a couldn’t win that race ever. Joy, on the other hand, encompasses some of the you know, the exuberance and all of that Not always, but it can include those. But it also has these nuances of like stillness and peace of mind, which is not thinking all the time thing. Or overthinking and calm. Right. And so those nuances are available and so rich, you know, they’re either things I didn’t know existed. I had no I mean, maybe I’d heard those words before, but I didn’t really understand them on a deeper level. You know, and so, those differences are important, because the one you just can’t win out. So yeah, get all the things and be super abundant and all the ways just recognize that the journey inside is the one that has purpose and meaning the one on the outside where we collect things. Those are super cool and fun too. They just don’t. They don’t fill you up as a human

Brandon Handley 40:01
I think that I think that those are important distinctions, right? Happiness quick and fleeting, right? and joy is a little bit more kind of like a long lasting coal and Ember of warmth, right? Yeah. But a state of being. Yeah. So let me see here. Two things, two things. So I liken this, what we’re doing here is like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody’s gonna, somebody’s gonna tune in, they’re like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. Right? And, and this could be you. So I’m gonna ask you at least one kind of, you know, question is that, uh, you know, let me see here, whoa, yeah. Why are so many people depressed?

Erin Mac 40:47
Okay, so call it depression, call it anxiety, call it whatever you want any low level experience, which is anything that doesn’t feel good stress, overwhelm, worry, all those lovely words, they’re the same thing. They are the experience of the human wanting to control people and circumstances to fit in how they want them to show up, or they don’t feel good. And the unconscious recognition at the same time that it is impossible to control people and circumstances and events to fit into your agenda. And so you can see where that those two things butting up against each other would create some confusion. And so that confusion looks like anxiety, depression, you know, all the it’s, we have this new, we’ve touched on it before the belief thing, right? So it’s foundational, we made up everybody has them. I’ve not met anybody yet, who does not have these very core ones that are things like, I don’t deserve, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable, you know. And they’re all basically the same thing. Like, I’m not good enough. And so those are underlying all of our decisions and how we’re feeling about ourselves. And then we interact with other people. Based on those beliefs, we have decided what’s right and wrong. So that’s how people are supposed to show up for us, and how circumstances are supposed to show up for us. And so we got into this habit of we learned this piece about when this person says something or the circumstance doesn’t turn out how I want, then somehow it’s their fault, right? So if that person said something, and they’re rude, instead of that person said something triggered something in me that did not feel good. What is that? And why is that there? When we look at that with wonder and curiosity and go interesting, because I guarantee whatever is triggering, you is not triggering me. So that’s how, you know, it’s all you.

Brandon Handley 43:06
It’s true. Um, you know, if if I was spiritually looking for a date, then then I would say, Hey, what’s up? I’m good. And I agree, you know, I don’t think there’s a piece in there that I disagree with. So So thank you, I think that’s a great answer to to it, right? Everybody’s still trying to control the outcomes in some way, shape, or form. And when they’re not turning out the way they want them to. They’re not they’re not accepting it. Right? They don’t see it. And I think that the idea of approaching these triggers with wonder and curiosity versus like, kind of anger and angst is also really why is this can trigger still here. Right? So it makes sense. And I love it. So and what else I know that we talked about, you know, you’re doing the work that you’re doing now, but you’ve got a new endeavor, what are you, you know, what are you leaning into next?

Erin Mac 44:00
Oh, my gosh, I’m so excited. I’m working with couples right now. I just finished doing my pilot course, on partnership. And the reason I’m so excited about it is, well, first of all, I truly believe we are here for spiritual development, or you call self development or whatever you want to call it consciousness. And when we recognize that that’s why we’re here and that all these you know, challenges that come into our life are for the purpose of our growth, then we can, you know, grow and heal and enjoy ourselves, right? Well, what happens when you bring two people together, that understand that there’s a process to healing and growing and understand that same process in a way where, you know, in couples, it’s like, it’s easy to see how escalation can happen because it’s like, especially when I’ve just told you what’s going on. Right. So You said this thing, it made me feel bad, you know, right. So instead of, you know, we do this responsibly, so then we go, Oh, you said this thing, I feel bad. There’s nothing that you can do to make me feel better, I’m in charge of making me feel better. And then they can support you in that, right? And then instead of escalating it’s support, right? So it’s not, you made me feel this way. It’s, I feel this way, and it doesn’t feel good. And, you know, support me in that instead of like, get your beliefs and you know, the things in your life that aren’t working out and escalate, escalate, escalate, it’s like, no, this is mine, I own it, it doesn’t feel good. And then the two of you work together in that capacity. And it’s just amazing to watch couples, it’s exponential, because not only is their relationship so much better, but think of the impact that will have on their kids, the rest of their family, when they can see two fully functioning adults coming together, helping support each other in their spiritual growth. It’s phenomenal. And so that sounds awesome. That

Brandon Handley 46:15
sounds awesome. So where does, you know? What, who’s your ideal client? Like in this space? Right? So I think we got two types of ideal clients, you got the partners, ideal clients, and then you’ve got your, your, your standard practice clients, what is what are they?

Erin Mac 46:30
So ultimately, you know, being an entrepreneur for like, 21 or two years now, entrepreneurs, like me, for some reason, because I get their craziness, I understand that they are under the gun and responsible for a lot of things. And those, typically, and leaders to write just people have a lot of responsibility. That, you know, like to make all the things work out, you know, like to control all the things, those are the people that I ended up working with, because I get them, I was them. And I still have nuances of that, of course, you know, so working on me, and all that all the things. And then couples who are recognizing that, you know, especially when you’re coming together as maybe two, what do they call that the set called the two families come together to blend in? Yeah. Like, I’ve noticed quite a few couples that are interested in working with me, that have that situation, because it’s, you know, it’s already challenging being in partnership, but then you bring in the kids and just escalates all the things. And so, you know, any couple, of course, who’s having an issue, wanting to communicate in a deeper way or, you know, deepen their relationship in some way. Fantastic. And, you know, it’s super challenging when you’re bringing in, you know, other kids and into the mix and all that. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 48:05
hard enough with your own, right. Yeah, for sure. So and where then, where Then should I send people to come and find you, if they’re interested?

Erin Mac 48:18
I think probably the best place to find me is on Instagram. My handle is Aaron, er, I N m A C LLC. And I post like a weekly video on some sort of strategy or something to think about. And I put like, inspirational memes and my stories. And my website URL is in the profile as well. It’s a good way to interact with me, you can DM me, you can private message me or whatever. You know, and I always whenever I’m on a podcast, I offer a free I call it step one to joy call to just get you on the path, you know, maybe I you know disseminate the, the visualization process a little bit further so that you can get started on that and your life or whatever that looks like. And if afterwards, you still want to hang out with me and learn more than great if you don’t, no strings attached. It’s just my way of being in service.

Brandon Handley 49:21
Awesome. And thanks so much for being on today. Thanks for what you do, right? You know, being able to help people make that transition from a Bumble of nerves into something, you know, a little bit more usable and functional in society. I mean, there’s the there’s a reason why that’s your calling. So thank you for being of service and doing that for everybody out there.

Erin Mac 49:47
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. And thanks for having these platforms. It’s really important to have these conversations, giving people hope and strategies and just something to think about that’s, you know, positive I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much. Absolutely.

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Jeremy Todd shares all!

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. I am on here today with my man, my man. Mr. The pauses. Mister, check out my book, Jeremy Todd Jeremy Todd is a motivational speaker. He is an influencer. He is a legend. Not only in his own mind, but in mine as well. I’m so excited to have Jeremy here. If you’ve been if you’ve been a longtime listener to me a and he followed me through three podcasting, another Jeremy’s kind of a regular, but you you’ll know that Jeremy was catching me I got to see like you were like the first. Right. The first and it’s funny. We look all the way back to 2017, where neither one of us knew what the hell to do. And here we are like earlier just before this podcast got started. Well, I got upgraded Mike bargraph equipment. Yeah. Right. But super excited to have you on. But I always like to start this off with. And I think you’ve been on one of these already. But I’ll ask again, you know, source speaks through us. Right. And there’s a message that can only be delivered through you. Today, right now to to a to somebody listening to this podcast, what is that message?

Jeremy Todd 1:22
Well, you know, I mean that several ways I go with this, but what you know why you were talking? It just really made me think about you know, when you say four years ago, when we first we first met, and there was so much insert uncertainty with my life here live, what we’re going to do, why are we doing this? Where’s that going? The biggest message for me, and it’s really coming through right now. And when we’re having this conversation is that, you know, we just never really gave up, we just kind of kept going and there wasn’t like, it was almost like we’re pulled through to time to basically this point. And I don’t know how to really put it in quantified in the words, but it’s almost like taking your hands off the steering wheel and allowing things that just happen to watch your life. And good things happen. You know, it’s like a, you know, a bad crypto reference. But I’m watching cryptocurrency recently in this going way, way up, it’s gone way, way down. But consistently, it’s going up. And that’s really how I felt my life is it’s been for the last three or four years, you haven’t the, you know, splitting up with my with the mother of my children having that move in a couple different times. So you can get these big downs, but also you got the big ups. But if I look back now, where I am today versus where I was four years ago, it’s a lot higher, it’s a lot. It’s a it’s a better place, even though I had these major drops in my life. It’s just weird how that goes. And you know, I talk about this all the time, and even on my show about really just just getting through it. It’s not about hey, I need to figure this out right now, I need to figure out what I’m gonna do the rest of my life right now I need to get through this shitty time right now. And I really don’t really have to get through anything right now. It’s just you’re meant to be in that point. Why? Who puts you there? I don’t know. But it’s part of the life that’s part of the journey. It is sometimes it’s good to be in those in those bad low points because it builds you up and makes you stronger, makes you harder and makes you you know, all around a better person learning from the tough experiences. But man, I get I guess I just you know, going on that random tangent right there. But I just I don’t know, if I’ve ever been happier in my entire life than I am right now. I feel more blessed than I’ve ever felt in my entire life. And maybe it’s because of, you know, some of the things that that have happened in my life recently, you know, but with writing the book, and I appreciate you mentioned that and getting some of the things off my chest with that book. It’s very, very freeing. And it’s, it’s also it’s been happening with actually who I truly am individually, like, like, this is who this is my weird quirkiness. This is who I am. In all these things. They’ve taken time and they’ve taken time, and they’ve got to this point, and who knows what’s gonna happen in the next three or four years from now, but I feel like I’m being pulled through this situation. By I don’t know, you know, I have been the universe the way it’s supposed to be. I don’t know the answer to that part of it. But I just really like the momentum. And I like the journey and it says it’s been amazing the last three or four years. So I know that really answered your question, but that’s really what I’m thinking about.

Brandon Handley 4:22
Trying to figure out this new new get new setup, right? I’m just trying to press the right buttons. It’s awesome, right? I love the you know, you’re saying you’re kind of pulled through this kind of time and space to get to where you are today. And it really reminds me of of how mine started, right. And my kind of journey started because somebody said that exact line to me, right? I was like oh man, just, you know, the drink and sure and wanting to party and wanting to be this person that I had been for so long this identity that I assumed just kind of fell away. Yeah. Right. And he’s like he goes you know, once you kind of know fall into the space you get

Jeremy Todd 5:02
what you while you’re messing with the banging down there. But this is another thing popped in my head too when I was when you were when you mentioned that I listened to a podcast just before I got on and I’m driving around town and, and it was a Jocko willing podcast and he had Dakota, Dakota Meyer on his navy seals and he’s telling me stories and one of the things he also mentioned was, you know how lucky he is to have a support group, and not a support group to where, you know, hey, I’m you know, I’m mad, and this is bullshit and have someone say, Yeah, you’re right. or not, maybe the support groups more like, you’re wrong, Jeremy, you’re full of shit, you know, you’re not right. And I’m like, Oh, yeah, well, maybe I need I need. I have people like that in my life. Like you like a like a Donnie title like Elise Archer, and I never had these people. You know, I’ve got friends in my life for a long, long time that have been lifelong friends. But what’s helped me tremendously is having these people that I can pull from, and talk to and be 100% vulnerable and honest with them, Hey, I suck at this. This is where I need to help that this is where, you know, this is what’s going through my mind right now, can you help, let’s talk about these things. But the biggest thing about that and having those relationships is actually being not only honest with the other people that you’re talking to you about being honest with yourself and checking the ego at the door and understanding it, the only way I’m going to really truly get out of the funk or truly get better is if I’m 100% authentic and 100% vulnerable with the person having the conversation with. And I’ve been very, very blessed over the last three or four years to have those people. And that’s made a huge difference in my life, maybe more than anything, is to fall on that support group. The people from all around the country, I mean, how you said you’re in Pennsylvania, and I’m in Indiana, and Danny’s in Florida, you know, he leases and you know, she’s in Georgia. I mean, we got people all over the country now in that’s made a big impact for for me and my life. And the most important thing about it, again, is that I’ve taken action towards that I haven’t just sat there and say, Oh, woe is me. I’m like, you know what, I’m gonna call these people, I’m gonna go reach out to them, and then tell them what I’m thinking. Because we can all sit in our worries and all around our doubts and our fears. And we can stay there forever. But until we actually reach out and say, You know what, I’m tired of this shit. This is not who I am. That’s not my authentic self. I need I need help. And actually take action, get the help. That’s what’s made the biggest impact for me in my life as well. It’s just the authenticity of who I truly am. And saying that, hey, I need help. I mean, that’s one of the most powerful words in the world is when you tell somebody that, hey, I need your help, you know?

Brandon Handley 7:35
No, you’re right. It’s a, well, I want to kind of call attention to this idea that and you had them on, right, you had a PR rush on the idea of the full lifters. Right? It’s not so much of getting this group around you have people that you’re not it was I think there’s a difference between like some people that you hang out with, and some people that support you, right, like, you’ve got the you’ve got this list of people that are supportive. And the I think they’re calling you on your shit, they let you they let you kind of step in it, right? They let you you’re like, Hey, this is what I’d like to go do. Yeah, if you’re having a conversation with Elise, if you’re having a conversation with Donnie, and you’re like, Hey, this is this is, this is what I’m gonna go do. They say, you know, they might give you a gut check, they might ask you a couple questions. But in the end, they’re gonna be like, well, if you feel like that’s what you need to do to make this progress for who you are, and go for it. How can I support that? Like, what can I do to do you need introductions to somebody? Do you need? Do you need a brand bass? manager? Do you need any of that stuff? Right? Like, how can I help you? What, what is what is what do I have, that can help you to become who it is that you’re looking to become? And I think that there’s a difference between those people who are supportive, those are the people that we’re talking about, versus people that you hang out with, because there’s people that you hang out with, or just hang out with, or just hang out with. And those people like, you know, if I if I’m, if I’m sharing a couple pieces out of your book, right, like, some people that you might just hang out with would be the couple of people that like, you know, back in the day to smoke some weed. Like, they’re just like, Hey, you know what, let’s this is this is what we’re doing today. Right? And then that’s it, but those aren’t the people that are going to be the ones that elevate you.

Jeremy Todd 9:28
Yeah, you know, it’s funny, I asked a question on my podcast the other day of pretty who I was talking to, I was talking to the founder of brand builder, or Yeah, not brand builders. Doesn’t matter. No, actually, that show will be out tomorrow. But I asked him, Do you still hang out with the people you grew up with? And you know, it’s interesting when you ask successful people that like that, it’s most of the time the answer is obviously is no. You know, and I don’t hate on these people. They’re their friends and they’ve, you’ve kind of developed who I was as a child which is made me who I am today. You know, I don’t, I don’t hold any grudges, or I’m not upset with them, it’s just over life and different experiences, you become different types of people. And then you begin following you know, the the old Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people you hang out with, you know, you start attracting different people with similar mindsets that, you know, I can’t have conversations like you and I are gonna have, like we’ve always had, with, you know, my buddies in the old neighborhood, you know, it’s just not gonna happen, because they just they don’t see that they’re not. You know, they’re, they’re not, I don’t want to hidden let’s say in the word they’re not let me sit for a better way to phrase that they just maybe have to just keep using the word not, but they haven’t experienced some of the things that I’ve experienced to be able to open their mind and allow the universe or your actual soul to be able to communicate one on one with that, with that, that energy and that power. And that really allows you to open up and that and pause or pause. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 11:03
that’s totally right. So what allows for something like that?

Jeremy Todd 11:05
Well, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, and I don’t want to get into too hardcore random stuff, but I think it’s with diet, I think it’s food, I think it’s how you, how you meditation, it’s really focused in on your mind, and like, understanding how powerful the mind really is. And I think when you you know, if you smoke cigarettes and drink seven days a week, and you’re doing all kinds of crazy drugs, or, you know, the lists are just eating terribly, I think these things block the connection with you and your inner soul and your inner being. The more cloudiness that isn’t, that is there. It’s just like, it’s almost like I see these people that are just going through life going through the motions, and they’re not really connected to that source energy and, and to be honest, I don’t know what that source energy is, either. I don’t. It’s hard for me to grasp my small mind around that. But I can feel that the energies when I walk into a room, I can feel that energy, a positive energy or a negative energy. And I say with my, my youngest daughter Moyo, my only daughter me, I think she’s extremely clairvoyant, I think she, she can feel energies better than anyone I’ve ever met my entire life, we could walk into a buildings, just but data just don’t the energy here, I’m like, Alright, let’s go, you know, to be able to be in touch with that power that is, within all of us, is something that is number one, because a lot people don’t understand it, don’t even know that it’s there. Which is, which is, which is a problem, I think, it’s it’s a problem with society and communication and, and growing as a as a one big, you know, as the population we all grow together. And I think that’s a problem that slows the evolution and the growth of a society in general. But, you know, when I, when I go back and talk about my daughter, and she can just, she can look at somebody and say, you know, I that person, I really liked that person’s energy. And

Brandon Handley 12:50
let me ask you this, right, like, and and did you feel maybe that it’s has something to do with you fostering that in your child and not saying no, to her, her her being able to pick that energy up? Sure. So and I guess I’ll take it a step further, is that is it that we all kind of have that innate connection, right? And instead of it being fostered in us, it was kind of like shunted away like, Hey, you know, what, you know, so I guess sounds like what you’re doing, again, is you’re, you’re fostering that in your in your daughter, and you’re allowing for her to explore these these gifts and this ability to not be fearful of connecting to we’ll call it source, we’ll call it like, anything like that, like her intuition. And saying, Yeah, you know, what is that? Tell me more versus you’re just being correct.

Jeremy Todd 13:48
And that’s the biggest thing you kind of hit the nail on the head with there is I don’t, you know, it’s only my kids know, I don’t tell them that that’s hardly really ever I tell them no, and I just ask more questions. But why do you want to do that? or Why? Or in the situation, my daughter? What does that feeling like? Like, somewhat? like random questions? Is it warm? Is it cold? What color is that energy? You know, and really let allowing her to her mind to really focus in on that and knowing that she’s in a safe place that, you know, we don’t she’s she can have those conversations, like you said, Well, I think, you know, a lot of society today that gets that gets beat down. That’s not something that’s really focused on I think it’s the most important thing to focus on, by far, but I think it gets blocked through, you know, maybe it’s, I don’t know, maybe it’s bad diet, maybe it’s too much technology, maybe it’s not being connected to the earth as much as I think people should be. There’s all kinds of things there. But you know, what it boils down to, it’s just when those conversations happen, I don’t I don’t tell her No, or that’s weird, or I don’t understand. I just asked questions. Wow, that’s amazing. Tell me more. How does it make you feel? What does that look like? You know, these look these random questions, and then she’ll just and she just goes on and on and on. On on her mat, you can just see it like, it’s really, really a little bizarre because it’s not that she’s, she’s not making it up. You know, you can tell when your kids are making something up. But she is so detailed, that she just, she just knows it. And she, it’s like she’s, it’s reality for her. It might be

Brandon Handley 15:24
real for everybody. what’s what’s on? Like, like I said most most is like, and we’re saying most of society’s like, she tries to shut that down, right? Or puts a fence up around that. What has given you the ability or the wherewithal desire to foster it versus just versus what the rest of society is doing?

Jeremy Todd 15:48
It’s good question. It’s, it’s not a single thing. It’s been many things. And we’ve talked about some of those ups and downs throughout my life. And you know, I’ve questioned, you know, you know, again, me being five foot 230 pounds soaking wet. Well, like what, you know, why am I? Why am I this height? Why am I this tall when I was, you know, I talked about in the book when I was sexually molested as a kid. Why did that happen? To me, it’s not, and I truly look at it, it’s not good. It’s not bad. It’s just an experience of my life that I’ve had to learn from becoming a minimalist was huge, not being attached to, you know, to physical items, not trying to compare myself to somebody else about their bigger house or big car. And because I just don’t really care, I really deep down, I don’t care. And if I really don’t care about any of that, societal, I try and check the ego as much as I possibly can. What will if you clear all those layers away, what it really boils down to is, hi, how can I learn from you? How can I get better? How can I be a better friend, a better parent, I just want to get better. And I want and I’m genuinely interested in people, like I’m genuinely interested in learning about experiences and what their thoughts are and totally non judgmental. Like, that’s the other thing. You know, I think in the society, we’re so it’s so built up to we’re fighting against each other instead of listening to each other. And that’s shared and celebrated this, this mob mentality, if you’re not with us, you’re against us. And that’s, that’s a major problem with society. And I think it’s, but it’s not easy to get to the point where I’m at either, because I’ve had these experiences throughout my life that have really kicked my egos ass and just say, you know, whoever, you’re not the coolest guy in the block, you know, you’re not the best looking guy in the block. But you know, what, what I feel like I do have is this just just curiosity about life, and curiosity and people of how do we connect on a different level, I will never judge you. I will never, I’ll never say anything hurtful to you. And if I do, it’s unintentional. But I just want to learn and I want to get better. And I want to know what’s after life. And I know want to know, I want to learn from different religions and what they believe and take all of this stuff together and just kind of live in the information. And that’s what I always say, I don’t know, what’s what’s, you know, what’s going to happen next. I don’t know what’s life after death. I just want to live in all the information and just experience.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Let me let me jump in. Right. So I think one of the one of the one of the things I’m challenged by maybe you can help me here is, you know, here’s where we are today, right? This is, that’s where you are today because of your experiences. How you know, if you had to talk to somebody where they are right now, you know, maybe yourself, you know, four years ago or five years ago? What’s that? What’s that conversation look like? And how is that different? Right? How can you impart some wisdom to somebody where they are now along the journey what would you say

Jeremy Todd 18:50
the biggest thing and the one of the one of the most important things that I’ve really worked on is my is listening. And and I know it sounds so basic and so you know just what he had, of course you’re gonna listen but before I was always listening to the person planning my response, and not even taking in and learning from the actual conversation because I would my ego was just so like, well I already know the answer to that I already know what’s going on I want to give you my opinion and not even fully hear the question So as I’ve in the last few years I’ve just really I’ve just more sat on the sidelines and just watched and listened and listened and then ask more questions. Because if I if I if I focus on me if I focus on what you know how its explained this a little better it’s it’s I’m not trying to win in any situation I’m trying to learn from the other person and and really experienced that their life and in just listen in like manner. How did they get to this point? How do what can they teach me how to how do I get better and then I’m, I’m really this The other thing too Which is, I think it’s important to I’m blown away with people’s stories. When people think their story is not important, it’s because you haven’t found the right person that’s actually listening to what, what you have to say, I think we are so tied into what we think society wants to hear, hear us say, we just tell people, whatever they want to hear instead of who we truly are as individuals. And I think when you start asking different, like different questions to people that they’ve never been asked before, it’s it’s amazing how people just start opening up and telling you, they’re all all these goals and dreams that they have that they’ve maybe never told anybody. And they feel so much better with the conversation, I feel so much better the conversation. But it all started with really, truly being interested in the other person. And checking the ego and just listening and being fascinated with their story. Because everyone has an amazing story. We’re just told and that our stories like everyone else’s, and it’s not, it’s completely different. And I love listening to people and love hearing their stories. And the more you listen, truly listen, you learn so much faster. And I’ve learned more about listening the last in my life in the last three or four years, I probably did my entire life. Because Yeah, it’s important.

Brandon Handley 21:19
The idea of Yeah, I heard it recently. And it was Bob Proctor. So my guy, right, like, turn them off a little bit, and you jump back in again, and you listen, you know, you hear with your ears, but you listen with your heart. Right. I thought that was pretty powerful line. And then, um, you know, outside of my story, which ones had the most like impact on you over the past couple years?

Jeremy Todd 21:51
repeat that, quote, repeat the question again, like, outside of what now,

Brandon Handley 21:54
outside of my story. Which one? Which one, which one you think like, over the past four years has really motivated you or had the greatest impact on you?

Jeremy Todd 22:06
You know, there’s been a lot of stories and a lot of people that have impacted me tremendously. And you know, it’s just so fun because some people push me because I’m selfish, a little jealous. Like I, I, I see my friends like, like, and again, it’s just it’s the ego talking again. But, you know, I see guys, like, you know, like Donnie Tuttle loved on me. You know, Donnie, and I were in a coaching company together and quit cold turkey. And he’s making enemies just making great money and changing lives. And it’s huge. And in what that does for me, and I want all of us to go to the bank together. I all want us to be successful all I want all of us to change our lives. But he motivates me. He is very humbling. He’s very open. His story is pretty powerful. I don’t want to get into like some of the other stuff that he that he struggled with, but but he begin those conversations that we have off the mic and that and outside that it makes us both better. It has really, really changed my life. You know, it’s funny, this something small recently happened to me last week, and I was I applied for a TED talk here in Fort Wayne. And I got turned down. So I’m, I was I think I’m more excited that I got turned down, then I got accepted. Because it gives me this, like, you know what, a few pals. You don’t say this, like this. That’s what I needed to prove to myself, but I’m on the right path. Because that if you can’t accept me in my own hometown, to speak a TED talk, because I got a TED talk. I think it’s on my vision board. And I want to get that done. But for them to turn me down. that inspires me as well. Because it’s just it’s, it’s, it’s almost like the University in here. Jeremy, I know you wouldn’t be on on do this sets off, but you’re not quite ready yet. And like, you know what, maybe I’m not a dog. I’m gonna keep fighting. I’m gonna keep doing I’m not gonna quit. That’s, that’s, you know, those two stories are completely different. But really that that that TEDx getting turned down from that made a really big impact on me recently. Because, you know, it’s just like, it’s almost like the universe politely saying, Jeremy, you’re not good enough. Still. Like, you know what? That’s cool, man. I’m not giving up yet.

Brandon Handley 24:26
Right? I would look at it maybe a little bit differently. Right. I would look at it maybe as in shit. At least they emailed me back. They know who I am. For sure. I would look at it as kind of like evidence of things to come. Right. Like they My name is already. You don’t know that. You don’t know that in two weeks, whoever they they’ve already accepted. falls out. And then then maybe I’ll check out this positive side guy. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. And Todd. And yeah, look, Danny’s story is just so great because it’s so So real, it’s genuine, right? There’s nothing fake about how he got to where he is. And there’s no smoke and mirrors. There’s any everything done for the right reasons. I just love it. Right.

Jeremy Todd 25:14
Yeah, you know, it’s one of those guys that I call a friend, you know, a true friend. And you know, you know, you are a true friend of mine. Dan is a true friend of mine. Lisa is a true friend of mine. I mean, I’ve got it’s just beautiful as all these people are so beautifully authentic. And in it for the right reasons. Like they, you know, we’re doing this because we love what we do. And we’re changing lives not fake. We’re not doing this to get become billionaires. I mean, there’s a lot of other ways we could do that. But

Brandon Handley 25:43
a lot faster. Yeah, for sure. Initially, I was right. Like, I wasn’t in it for the right reasons in the beginning, and but that’s all part of my journey. Right. And I love it. I love it. I love I love that that’s been part of the journey. You’ve mentioned the universe, and you’ve mentioned kind of like, you know, spirit and energy, you know, and it’s been maybe a year since we kind of talked last word, what’s your stance these days? Man? What do we got? We’ve got a grand architect is what is what is fear? And how’s it working through you and for you to you these days?

Jeremy Todd 26:17
You know, it’s, it’s, it’s very interesting asset. Because I think about it, I literally think about it every day. And it’s weird like it, you know, when I was born and raised Catholic, so, you know, sometimes when I felt I found comfort when going through my 20s and early 30s, of praying at night praying to, to a God that, that, you know, the white bearded guy. And you know, as that kind of evolved, and I kind of got away from all aspects of really, of any, any sort any, any kind of like a structure and religion completely gone out of that. I go back to, like, even like, like last week, two weeks ago, I thought I caught myself, like praying again, which is really weird. But it’s not praying to the same God. It’s praying to this all knowing power of energy, whatever that is, and I still don’t know what it is. I don’t there’s something there’s got to be something there. And I don’t know if it’s I don’t know, man. I why,

Brandon Handley 27:25
why Why? Why is there got to be something there, right? I mean,

Jeremy Todd 27:28
I don’t know. Yeah, you know, you know, I had a guy on there talking about a few weeks ago, and he’s got something retreats, the whole retreats. And you know, he specializes in suicide. And I asked him and I asked him, his Is there life after death? Is there a god? And he said, unequivocally 100% Yes. And as you’d go through these different journeys of these mind altering experiences, you see that how much more is actually out there and we live you know, in this one dimension of of whatever my my quote unquote reality is, however, when you take mind altering drugs, you realize that there are so much more going on within the brain within this universe within this realm. Again, it goes back to it’s just so gigantic, like how do I even comprehend that and I you know, not to go on Tinder, but even like space and time continuance, you know, there’s, there’s theories of you know, every black hole has a million other galaxies and universes with a million other black holes in them that continues to go on forever and ever infinity. And then you know, the multi universe thing where exactly what we’re doing right now is happening on another planet. A billion trillion miles away on some random planet that’s very close to ours. But maybe it’s my podcast called the spiritual spiritual open near the positive side guy. Yeah, yeah, but there’s just there’s just all these things that I think about and I’m like, Well, is there one all mighty power being that is running all of this? The universe is from billions and billions of galaxies away?

Brandon Handley 29:02
I can’t read something outside Do you think it’s something outside of you?

Jeremy Todd 29:07
I don’t know. Maybe not. Maybe Maybe that maybe that maybe that is the maybe that is one of those but I I just when I look at how massive everything is and with the universities and space and galaxies like how can there be one all power being for everything? Is this the only unit is this the only I guess universe that we are is there’s your multi universes is there different things going I don’t I can’t grasp my I can’t grasp that concept. So I don’t and then that’s why I live in this like study of just listening to things feed trusting my gut when things are going well. I feel like there’s like that little energy that is above me of powerful me but like you said, maybe it is me itself. Maybe I am that it Eternal energy I just had, it’s just a lot to think about. And I don’t try and even claim that I know what the hell’s going on. I just, but I listened to everybody and understand that I’m not smart enough, I don’t know enough to be able to make that decision to decipher that set makes any sense at all. It’s so big to you. It’s

Brandon Handley 30:22
fair, it is big. And it is a lot. I mean, look, that’s the that’s the gist of this podcast, right? How do you? How do you kind of once you once you come in contact with that source, right, you felt that you like, and it’s like now now that you’re here, right? You know, had Krista on the podcast, and her podcast title was I’m awake. So now what? Right? I’m like, God, what a perfect podcast name. But yeah, so you’re awake. Now? What? How do you incorporate this newfound levels spirituality? Or re connected with your spirituality and your like? Because I mean, conversation earlier, you’re talking about like, you don’t need anything, you don’t need XYZ, you’re detached from the necessary, you know, all these things. Right? Well, what’s the keep you Jeremy from just, you know, rolling out and coming a monk at this point, right?

Jeremy Todd 31:17
Well, yeah. You know, I don’t know, I know what you were talking about that to what I was kind of thinking about is, you know, it’s interesting, when when I think about this, this energy or whatever, this, this higher power sources, it’s interesting, because it’s not always there all the time. So, you know, I’ll go through days where I’m just going through the motions, it’s normal day, and I’m just a normal person living through let me ask

Brandon Handley 31:39
you this, I’m gonna I’m gonna jump in. Right. Yeah. Is it? Is it that it’s not always there? Or is that you’re not always aware of it?

Jeremy Todd 31:47
I’m not always aware of it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
100%? Because I would have to say, I mean, this is this has been my experience, right? I would have to say that it’s always there. It’s, it’s kind of up to us to tune into it. Right. It’s like we’re driving around, you’re driving around. You turned into a podcast earlier. Yeah. You turned into you know, Satan, same thing. You’re like, you know, what happens if I tuned in and soars right now? What source? What source up to?

Jeremy Todd 32:08
Yeah, exactly. And that’s what’s it’s just very interesting, because, and I agree with you, the source is always there. However, it’s it’s am I tuned in Am I not tuned in and, you know, it’s, it’s like the typical person, a lot of typical, but, you know, when times are really, really good, you’re like, man, Hey, thank you source energy, this is all good. When times are really really shitty, you’re like, Oh, my God, I need your help. And then every once in a while, in the middle, it’s like, you know, I’m just gonna check in here and there. But that’s one thing I’d like to work on is just as really be, you know, just get better just can be more present, be more in tune with the with that energy and understand that it’s always there. Things are happening. It’s just, you know, hey, I’m just an average Joe just trying to get through it and working my way through this complicated mental test that I always think about. And I wouldn’t have it any other way. I mean, I really want it because I just find these conversations fascinating. And that just allows you to be needed to remind yourself and think bigger and think. And just really think I mean, that’s what I really enjoy

Brandon Handley 33:08
about that. Right? Let’s talk about that for a second. Because you are having an impact, right, regardless of whether or not you feel like you’re driving it through, you know, spirituality or some other way, for the, for the purpose of this podcast, you are driving it spirituality, you know, through a spiritual sense, you know, what kind of impact or you feel like you’re having out there in the world today?

Jeremy Todd 33:30
You know, that’s, it’s a great question, because it allows it, you know, the first answer is, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s an ego, like, you know, I know, I’m making a big impact out there, you know, and you got to give yourself permission to say that you are making a big difference. And it’s okay. You know, I mean, it’s okay to say that, and I’ve worked really, really hard on that. Because, you know, you and I had a conversation about two years ago, that made a big impact on my life. And this is very similar what we’re talking about here and that question, because, you know, we talked about how I use, I use when I want to go to Chipotle, I’ve been there forever. And I always I always buy the person behind me launch. And that when I run out before they could actually get now acknowledge that, you know, bottom lunch, because I wasn’t accepting that, that time of gratitude. Like it’s okay. To have someone thank you for that. You know, and so when you ask a question like that, it just makes me go right back to that question that you asked, you asked me. So that’s made a huge impact on my life. And I’ve actually tried to share that story about 1000 times because it’s, it’s so right, man, it’s so right. So if I go back to the question in my what what kind of impact my making I’m thinking I truly make? I think I’m making a gigantic impact. And it is it’s it’s not numbers wise, you know, and I’m not trying to say I’m making a billions and billions of people changing all their lives, but the lives that I’m changing are gigantic. I had, you know, I get emails, you know, once twice a week that just say, you know, Jeremy I found your podcast, I tried to commit suicide three weeks ago, and I didn’t know what I was gonna do I, luckily, I didn’t go, I didn’t succeed at doing that. And then I stumbled across your podcast, then how it’s made such a big impact in my life in such a short amount of time. So when you talk about making an impact with that person, that that one person’s life, and I know, there’s more out there, and you know, I’ve got stories and emails, which I still save, because it makes it makes me feel good. But that one person? I mean, is that person going to have a, you know, another, it was younger person, I think, mid 20s? Maybe that

Brandon Handley 35:34
person worth it? That’s worth it. All right. So it’s all worth it, though. It’s funny, because he says, you know, you don’t feel like you’re touching maybe billions or millions. But if you think about it, right, throughout the course of at least four years now, you know, with each person that you that listens, you know, throughout the past, you know, of course of four years, how many people have they talked to and interacted with and that network kind of the year that the multiplier effect over over time? I’ll bet you by now, you know, you’ve you’ve impacted at least a billion.

Jeremy Todd 36:09
Yeah, yeah. And that’s a good point, too. Because you know, it You never know, the whole butterfly effect and how it’s affecting people down the down the road. And like, you’ve said, that young lady reached out to me, man, I mean, who’s to say she has a, you know, a beautiful family has a couple of kids after that, and then changed her life? And has these kids like, what changed the world? You know, for sure.

Brandon Handley 36:26
You just never know, the change in the world. Right? Like, I mean, yeah, no, you don’t know. So you know, if we’re, if we’re talking about somebody or something, and I got to imagine that, at a certain point, you kind of you were pulled through, like your insides, right for gut feeling to do your podcast, right? You were pulled to you know, you’re like, I gotta get on the mic. Yeah, right. Um, what do you think is part of that? What drove that?

Jeremy Todd 36:54
It was really the I mean, it was the the opportunity to make an impact. I just, I’m a firm believer that we all have this message, we all have this message in, I have been blessed with the gift of gab, to tell my stories, and be 100% authentic, to allow people that have going through the same things that have gone through the same things to say, hey, it’s okay that I went through these things. And you know, I talked about it one on one. I’m not trying to do a cheap blog, but in the book, I talk about, you know, me when I was a younger, yeah, that’s right. Getting getting molested from a friend, you know, and there are so many people that this has probably happened to that, that have lived with this. Now, when I put the book out, and I had even another family member reached out and said, this is completely different situation. But she said she went to the same exact thing. I have been blessed with the gift of gab, and I’ve been blessed with the confidence and the, I don’t know, if you want to call it arrogance than to say that I don’t, I just don’t give a shit what anybody else thinks about me. I truly don’t I truly don’t give a shit. If that’s true, and I know this ability, that God higher being, whatever you want to say, has given me this opportunity, if I don’t take advantage of it, what impact what negative impact would that it made on the world and the lives that I should have changed that never did? You know, it’s like the where’s the most successful place in the world, it’s, you know, the the cemetery because we all we die with these ideas in our in our mind and never put them out there. And I wasn’t going to allow that to happen. The podcast started out originally just you know, I knew that this message would need to get out. But over time, like everything is chatting a little bit more authentic, a little bit more real and the lives that has changed and are getting bigger and making a bigger impact. And but it’s I was given a gift and and i’m using the gift to share the message man and you know, I friends, I’m sure you have said the same thing that you’ve had people tell you what are you doing? You know, why would you do that? This is stupid doesn’t make any sense? Are you making any money? That was?

Brandon Handley 39:05
Absolutely that those are a couple of the next questions. Right. So you know that the next question really comes from you know, you’ve got these naysayers, right? You’ve got these people that are doing the Kukui crap, right? The the people that are you know, you’re you’re in there and they’re trying to pull you back down. But you move move ahead. Anyways, there has to be a little bit of fear and trepidation and that you want to talk about getting through that.

Jeremy Todd 39:33
I had a lot of fear. I was, you know, a lot of it was just anger. It was, you know, it showed me that and this was partially mostly my fault as well that people didn’t really know who I was. people’s opinion and thoughts of me was not reality of actually who I truly was as an individual because I I played to society. You know, I was like, everyone Yes, I did. You know, I had the nice cars, I had the big house, I did all the, you know, I would partying all the time with all these random people that you look back and they’re still doing it. And that’s, um, but that was never me. That was never who I truly was. So, and I, you know, I don’t want to say use the word blame, because that’s that’s saying that there’s a negative connotation to that, but it was my fault that I wasn’t really being who I actually was.

Brandon Handley 40:24
You were you. You were, was it true, then you maybe had a little bit of victim mentality?

Jeremy Todd 40:32
Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, if you go there with with, with my height, and you know, some of the personal stuff I went through 100% Yeah. 100% and,

Brandon Handley 40:40
and just just so what is victim mentality, then? What’s that mean?

Jeremy Todd 40:44
Well, for me, it was like, it was why I’ve been screwed, because I’m the short guy. So I’m gonna overcompensate and try and try and prove to other people that I’m, I’m just as cool as you are, quote, unquote, cool as you are, even though I’m five, two, and, you know, I’ve got a, you know, a bonus shoe as well. And I’ve got all these other issues. But, you know, it was almost like I was I had to prove to others and not prove to myself that I was worthy. And that that was a cyst or something, you know, I probably still struggle they can relate to it just said that out loud. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now that I just said that out loud that I, I tried to prove to others who I was, instead of proving to myself who I actually was, you know, and I think when I accepted that, and really, man, hey, I’m, I’m 40. I’ll be 43 here a couple months. I probably haven’t accepted that. And so I was probably 3849. You know, but that’s my journey. You know, it’s that’s how long it took me. It’s not right, wrong or indifferent. But that’s how long it’s taking me to get to this point now in my life that I just, I’m happy with who I am.

Brandon Handley 41:47
I gotta wonder sometimes if that’s just not the natural evolution, you know, that’s when it’s supposed to happen. Yeah, it’s as I was listening to something the other day, and I forget exactly what it was. But like, you know, you can’t rush that kind of thing. Right? You can’t force it. Yeah. Right. And, and you can’t time it, but you can get pretty close to the time. Yeah. So then the, give me a spiritual dope, right? So give me an idea of what’s a hit of like, kind of spiritual dope for you.

Jeremy Todd 42:21
What is a hit for spiritual dope from

Brandon Handley 42:24
so you know, spiritual dope is like, you know, just when you’re feeling connected to source, right, so what’s one of your hits?

Jeremy Todd 42:30
By far, this is the one that most I love this time of year. I mean, yeah, this time of year, and reason being is when I can walk outside, and I can walk their feet barefoot in my backyard. And I can be 100% connected to what would actually connected to nothing, you know, but connected to myself, and then the planet and the birds and the bees and the flowers in the wind. And that, that, that, you know, you get euphoric. I mean, I get chills just thinking about it. Because that’s, that’s what life really is. That’s like, that’s like the basis of, of reality of life. And when you walk back into the house, or walk back, get back into the car, it’s like, you’re right back into society, and you’re like, it’s just a different world. You know, years ago, when I was in California, were the greatest things I did. And I’ll never forget this as I watched the sunset, for 30 straight days in California. And I would go out on this little bench and there was, you know, the sunset was set over this, this like little valley. And, you know, I’d always look at all the different colors and all that, and just how beautiful it was. And I would sit there meditate, or just take deep breaths in breaths out and be present in that time. That’s when you know, like, spiritual dope, that’s about the biggest hit of spiritual nobody could possibly have is because that’s, that’s when you know, things are bigger than you. And, and I just feel so much better. I feel like I just have so much more energy and so much more meaning to live. And this is why I’m here and I need to enjoy this. And so the springtime and you get to the winter of gray and everything like that. It’s terrible to the winter, and even today, we’re a couple inches of snow, which is terrible in April. But next week 70 it’ll be 70 degrees on Monday, and I take that time like what I said outside and just listen to the birds and the wind and just be at peace and it’s the best thing in the world for me.

Brandon Handley 44:23
I love it man connecting with nature,

Jeremy Todd 44:24
right? Absolutely, the most important thing I can do.

Brandon Handley 44:27
So something’s gonna happen. This didn’t happen today. But I’m gonna do a little bit of conversion on this podcast. I’m gonna shorten it a little bit. And I’m gonna turn it into a little bit more of kind of like a spiritual speed dating Jeremy like, you know, somebody who’s kind of speed dating Jeremy Todd today listening to podcast and they’re like, Am I spiritually attracted to Jeremy Todd, right. So I think I’m gonna ask you like one or two like these kind of random questions that are it’s actually 20 questions that came up and like, talking to, you know, some of the top 100 spiritual people, right can, you know, let’s take one segment of the easier ones? Um, what is wisdom? And how do we gain it?

Jeremy Todd 45:10
What is wisdom? And how do we get it? You know, I think, for me, wisdom is it’s the it’s the tough times, but it’s not the tough times. It’s how you react to the tough times. Because I, I, you know, it’s kind of like the deal failure question that I asked on my on my show as well. But wisdom has. I’ve been through so many tough times, you know, so I look back. And now when tough times happen, I reflect back on how I react in that situation. And I’m like, Well, you know, I learned so much from that situation that I’m not going to react is one of the strongest things I do is when there’s turmoil, and when there’s aggression and arguing, and I am the the calmest guy in the room. I just sit there and I’m patient. Because I’ve learned that when you when you the first reaction you have in a situation like that is usually the wrong one is coming from a place of where Wait, wait, wait, wait, the

Brandon Handley 46:02
first reaction is not the best one.

Jeremy Todd 46:04
Yeah, correct. Yeah, for me, it’s 100%. For me, it’s not. And but but that takes that’s that takes time. That takes wisdom because I’ve been down that road where I’ve made these decisions, where it’s just a snap decision. Like, man, I shouldn’t have said that. I’ve, I’ve learned how to sit back and relax. How’d you how’d you learn to cultivate that? It was really through breathing. And that’s been the biggest thing for me. And you know, when when, when you’re in that situation, you feel like time’s going by a million miles an hour, I’ve learned to just kind of sit back, take two or three deep breaths. And it just allows your brain to reset and what’s kind of wild, whatever, which I love is,

Brandon Handley 46:41
is there any kind of just, I mean, is there any kind of certain breath that that is right? Like, I mean, can you illustrate that for somebody that might be looking to figure it out, for me,

Jeremy Todd 46:49
it’s easy, it’s just through the nose, I mean, because there’s so many other pathways through the nose that it allows your brain to to absorb the oxygen a little bit different than it is to your mouth, and through your lungs. So it’s very, very slow. And then I always pause, send them out through the mouth. And then it’s a shorter breath as well through the nose. And it just allows you to gain composure. And and what’s been amazing about that, too, is that allows the other person that has been super aggressive, almost kind of pause. And then you can almost see gears start changing with other people. It’s, it’s beautiful to see. But I do that with my kids. I do that with, you know, relatives, to get an argument with, I’m just, I’m not calm, cool. Like the guy just I just don’t get upset anymore. I don’t you won’t catch me raising my voice you won’t catch me yelling at anybody. Because I just sit back, relax, take that deep breath and then ask questions.

Brandon Handley 47:46
I love it. What, um, what are you up to man? What’s next? What’s up? So, you know, where should people kind of go and connect with Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 47:54
Well, you know, I’m really focused on my YouTube channel. I’ve got 175 people there. And I put a lot of videos up there, I put all the podcasts, put the money motivation on there, that’s super important. Instagram has been great for me as well. And, you know, the biggest thing for me is I’ve signed there’s been a few people that have come on to the, to the coaching program recently. And, you know, it’s interesting, and I always tell the clients that come on, hey, this is all mindset coaching. And I know there’s all kinds of different labels for coaching and that’s something I always struggle with like, Am I a sales coach, I’m am I you know, you know, they’re all the other cliche words for coaching and then some, I think it waters it down a lot but I think as overtime that when you listen to the podcast and you know how focus I’m mind setting in gaining this knowledge that people have started reaching really reaching out to me working on one on one with me, and it’s been a salad changed my life, but to change other people’s lives as well in you know, down the future, I just decided to work with more people. That’s always fun. So you can always find me on YouTube and Instagram and you know, LinkedIn and all the other places. But I think one on one is probably the best, you know, shoot, you know, shoot me an email Jeremy at Jeremy Todd calm and you’ve got questions. Hopefully I got the answers.

Brandon Handley 49:08
And we’re new Where can I find your podcast?

Jeremy Todd 49:11
I’m everywhere. You know, iTunes, Stitcher, Pandora is but actually been great. I’ve been I’ve had five or six people in the last few weeks, reach out to me and say, I found your podcast on Pandora. So it’s just search and Jeremy, you’ll be able to find me really, really quickly. Also on on iTunes, you can find me quickly there. But also, you know, keep in mind on my Facebook page, I put all the videos up there. You’ll be up there here in about a week or so is to be great. And then on YouTube, but all the interviews on YouTube as well. So some people you know, it’s depends how you take in things that are your audio and will listen to you what are you going to actually watch it? There’s several different ways to catch the podcast as well now, but it’s going better now than it’s ever been. And I’m just excited about the future.

Brandon Handley 49:51
I think I think that’s fantastic. I think what you’re what you’re illustrating is is persistence and passion in action. Right? You know, you’ve decided to, to, to, to continue with this thing. And what I love is that you’ve continued it throughout the quote unquote bad times. Right? Yeah, the tough times. And they say that that’s kind of where the character shows up the character, the character of a man, or a person doesn’t show up in as much in the good times as it does the bad times 100%. So I appreciate that you’ve been able to maintain the podcast, continue to look for the positive elements. And from my from my perspective, positive doesn’t mean like, Hey, this is all sunshine and roses. Positive means how do we make progress from this point that we’re at today? Right. So I appreciate you leading the way I appreciate your friendship overall, all these years and not just being able to have these conversations and I’m really proud of you but for getting your book out the positive side, how I overcame bullying, bankruptcy and a bad attitude. My true identity. Brother, thanks so much for being nice. I appreciate you, brother.

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:01
all right. Bye 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a special friend Lindsey. she say she was saved Lindsay

Unknown Speaker 0:13
he car? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 0:15
Because I said, it is very important. It’s very important so that people can pull you out of the crowds of Lindsey Gardner. Right. And so Lindsay is actually, you know, pretty good friend of mags for those of you that know me, you know, then you probably know, Megan’s a good chance you already know, Lindsay. And then, um, you know, so let’s talk about Lindsay and her standing naked in front of strangers blog. I’m just gonna do I’m gonna read Liz gonna read your about me here off of your, your blog posts, and then you can make a decision whether or not you want to keep that going forward. Okay. My entire life, I felt like an outsider feeling like I saw things a little different than most of the people around me. A few years ago, I started to be okay with that, I started to strip off the layers that I’ve been carrying around for the decades and show up a whole lot more authentically, I started writing to free up some space in my brain for forward movement. First out, people liked what I had to say. So I kept reading. I don’t feel super tied to labels of mom, wife, soldier, Yogi, although these are all titles I’ve hold held. But I’m so much more connected to the idea that each of us is on a little trip to figure out our own purpose. And this is a part of mine. And I hope you’ll join me so thanks for being on. And thanks for your thanks for agreeing to be on is this how many podcasts Have you been on?

Lindsey Garner 1:38
Zero? Now one?

Brandon Handley 1:40
Oh, this is this is this is your first Well, you’re welcome. Like I told you, before we got on, you know, it’s it’s a it’s cool to get all in because a you’ve learned it, you don’t go up in flames. Right? Like and you can do it like there’s nothing to it. Other than just kind of showing up and being yourself. So welcome.

Lindsey Garner 2:00
Thanks. That’s my favorite thing to do. So, you know, why not?

Brandon Handley 2:04
For the you’ve listened to a couple of podcasts. And thanks for thanks for being a listener. So you probably know how I open these up right with the idea that that we are word vessels for source. God, whatever, whatever you feel like calling it and you’re on today, because you have a message that is going to reach somebody is yours that can only be delivered through you. Right? What is that message today?

Lindsey Garner 2:34
I actually did like a little meditation before we started just to transition from one part of my life into this. And I think what I kept kind of landing on is like, yeah, I’m not I’m not some, like giant published author had a little piece of like imposter syndrome as far as like, I don’t know, what do I have to say? Right? Um, but it kept then it was like, okay, maybe I say one thing, that one person out there takes and is like, yeah, I’m not alone. I’m not feeling these thoughts or, or living in a space that I am totally on my own. And, and so that’s, that’s how I’m coming into this. And I think there’s something to be said, for living that way. Like maybe you smile at someone, you take a second and you smile at someone, you just don’t know the impact that that has in their day. So the more that we just live in a way that really feels like we’re honoring ourselves, the ripples are pretty big.

Brandon Handley 3:41
Nice, I mean, just kind of just owning who you are. And I hate to say just right, so owning who you are, and that that’s actually very powerful. So owning who you are, and owning that you have the power to change someone’s life with your smile.

Lindsey Garner 3:57
Yeah, you do. Like it’s crazy. You really can I, I work, I manage a retail store that’s like my full time gig a lot. And I’ve learned, I never thought it would be in retail and I actually quite like it. But I’ve learned so much the impact that you can have just on on, like, allowing space for someone to actually show up and not being tanned and like how are you doing today? And then them just saying great. Oh, okay, great. Like it’s this script we run through, you know, but rather actually like stopping and saying, No, like, actually, how are you doing today? And it’s okay to not be okay. And you can say that even to somebody selling a yoga pants like it’s fine. And the cool things that have opened up for me through that. I mean, I can’t count them. It’s phenomenal.

Unknown Speaker 4:51
What’s one

Lindsey Garner 4:55
I think it’s the relinquishment of ego. Yeah, I mean, you never get rid of it right? It’s always there. Well, yeah.

Brandon Handley 5:03
How’s that? So yeah, I mean, how’s that showing up for you? Right? Like, really question of ego through your work at retail. I mean, I guess I would take a step further though, because not everybody that works in retail is able to let go of the script. Right. Not everybody that works in retails okay with relinquishing ego. And I can tell you, I mean, even in years past is working like as a bartender, or, you know, being that customer facing person. And somebody is being an asshole. Like, I am really hesitant to relinquish ego, I’m like, No, you’re being an asshole. Right? You know, so. So walk me through your process of that was clearly before my ascension.

Unknown Speaker 5:55
I’m basically transcended as well. Right? I

Brandon Handley 5:58
mean, that’ll never ever happen again in my life. But the deal is new. So how are you? How are you doing that? Because I think that’s, that’s really the impact of this podcast, right? The impact of this podcast is, yeah, your spiritual. But how are you applying it in your daily life? So that, you know, you’re not? You’re not? I’m physical Lindsey over here. And I’m metaphysical Lindsay over here and understanding like, and together like, you know, you meet in the middle somewhere. So that’s how you meet yourself in the middle.

Lindsey Garner 6:32
Yeah, I think, um, I mean, meditation, meditation is like, changed my whole life. And I can’t pinpoint it to like one style, or one time that I practice, it really is more of an evolving thing. And I can talk more about that. But what it gives me Is this like ability to put a little bubble around myself, right and like, hold in and recognize what’s my emotions? My thoughts my feelings? versus like, what’s Karen from Kansas that comes in my store is pissy we don’t have a size four pair of shorts, like that’s actually has nothing

Brandon Handley 7:14
Kansas should know. First of all. Oh, no. So so it’s funny, though. So you mentioned though, the, the idea of no one set meditation I To me, it would be almost like, Oh, no, your, your, your favorite herbal tea that day? Right. Like, there’s all kinds of like, one day, you’re like, I need I need to calm down. Okay, Karen, meditation, right. And sometimes I need sometimes I need hyped up, you know, Lindsey, sometimes I need, you know, whatever. But it gives sounds like what you’re saying those that gives you the opportunity to go in and create that energetic bubble, right, what you want, who do you want to be in these next few moments? Right, that you get to create that? Is that what you’re saying?

Lindsey Garner 8:03
Answer remember, that, that? We don’t have any idea what that other person’s life looks like? Like, I don’t I have no idea. 99% of the time, I’m gonna guess it has nothing to do with those shorts. Doesn’t it has to do with a lot more, some deep seated stuff, right? And whereas I used to take that on and and, and I mean, I would take these people’s shit home with me. I’m like, What am I doing? Like, why do I care so deeply about someone’s reaction to foster requiring masks in our store or something like that? I am in Florida. So I mean, you know, the week you are out here, it’s like thing, but um, well.

Brandon Handley 8:50
How did you, you know, talk to what’s the process of going from, you know, taking that home every day to learning to let that go. And did that happen overnight? Or did it take you some time?

Lindsey Garner 9:03
No, probably years. Ah, I actually started to because I worked for a company and sells yoga pants. We have a lot of yoga. We do a lot of yoga. It’s how we used to like really market our business. And so I got back it up. I got out of the army. I was in the army for about 12 years. Yeah, the army there was no no real like, like industry down where we moved. My husband got stationed in Florida. This is not where we’ve chosen it came down here. There’s no industry that was related to my background. So I’m like, I tried to stay home. I’m not a stay at home mom. Like I just, I was making my own seasalt I yeah, my husband come home and was like, Hi.

Unknown Speaker 9:46
Hey,

Unknown Speaker 9:47
it’s me. It’s not to me.

Brandon Handley 9:52
I mean, I would like to know how you made your seesaw.

Lindsey Garner 9:58
The Golf Got it. I No kidding. Yeah, that’s serious.

Unknown Speaker 10:05
You can buy it’s pretty cheap. There’s no fun in that.

Brandon Handley 10:08
I’m sure there’s no fun. There’s no fun in that, right? You can buy all kinds of things. But you’re over here you’d like a teaspoon of salt. You’re like,

Lindsey Garner 10:16
six hours. So great. Everybody gets a little grain

Unknown Speaker 10:22
sparingly.

Brandon Handley 10:23
Why are you using all the salt?

Lindsey Garner 10:27
I’m serious. Okay,

Unknown Speaker 10:28
I get it. I get it. I get it. No,

Lindsey Garner 10:30
I just got a part time job at this store. And it turns out I really liked it. The company was really cool. And it got me into yoga. I’d never done yoga. I had never been around it. I always thought it was like this, like, woo Wee thing. Yeah, so I started that and it was mostly a physical practice it and little by little I kind of came to understand. I’m a reader. I’m a learner, I am always I am probably always have like five books by my nightstand and like three audio books and two podcasts going all the time. And I just started reading a little bit more on where yoga really came from, and the true intent of yoga and little by little kind of got out of my physical practice of actual like Asana, moving my body through it, and much more connected to the meditation aspect and the the grounding principles of yoga and the eight limbs. And so I, from there just kind of started learning, all kinds of things about meditation. And we are really fortunate in our area. prudence burns here, because she has that veto song Dear Prudence, to doubt her. So that’s her, she lives here.

Brandon Handley 11:52
I don’t know. I don’t know that I recall the song Come and get a cup of water.

Lindsey Garner 11:55
When it’s actually about when the Beatles were at a yoga retreat in India. And there was a woman who sat in a room and meditated for hours and hours, and they were like, come out, prudence come out. That’s her. And she’s actually one of the leading teachers and she is a Sanskrit translator, translator, interpreter. I

Brandon Handley 12:19
don’t know. She can she can do. She can do Sanskrit.

Lindsey Garner 12:22
Yeah. So she’s here. And I met her and she shared about Transcendental Meditation with me. So I went through that training. And that was really my first go at meditation. I really had never done anything. Do you know

Brandon Handley 12:36
how much I’ve watched? Yeah, a little bit. So how is TM different than some other meditation forms of meditation?

Lindsey Garner 12:44
mantra base to so you’re assigned a mantra, go through the training or sign a mantra, and then it’s 20 minutes twice a day. It’s pretty structured. pretty strict. It’s very structured. And the guidance is like, that’s what you do. And there’s a lot of rules around it worked for me to start, but I’m kind of I’m kind of like an inner inner what, what are,

Brandon Handley 13:06
what are some of those rules? Right, and what was your mantra? Um,

Lindsey Garner 13:10
so everybody has their unique point and I’m super suspicious, so are like super superstitious. And so I am not going to tell you my, my own journey because I am worried.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Are you not allowed to?

Park you down is like a nonconformist.

Lindsey Garner 13:34
Yeah, thank you, um, but it’s like, okay, you meditate 20 minutes twice a day, you don’t want to do it a certain amount of time before bed. You don’t want to ever do it like laying down unless you’re sick. There’s just a lot of it, where I’m like, it just became inaccessible to me. And it became hard for me to consistently practice it. And took some really great things from it. And then from there, just kind of started reading about mindfulness. And then know that a lot of guided meditations are so accessible now. I mean, you can pull up the meditation app, and there’s like, 40 to open them up. And in that for those 42 apps. There’s 1000s. So just started playing around with that. And then I went to I just finished a training but my husband was sick. You know about that. My husband got really sick last year. And throughout the course of that had a lot of really specific. Like, really like a lot of trauma. I hate that word. And I don’t know why I hate that word. But I do a lot of really specific traumas that happened. I saw him

Unknown Speaker 14:50
do it throughout that through that throughout that ordeal.

Lindsey Garner 14:52
Yeah, he almost died a couple times. It was pretty hard and I lost my ability to drop into meditation really quickly. And it got so frustrating to me where I was like, this is a tool that I have that I need more than ever, and I can’t get into it and didn’t know why. And I reached out to a friend and she was like, hey, I’ve actually been doing some studying on trauma based meditation and how like, in times where you are really hyper focused on these events that have created this stir up in your brain, meditation can actually be really damaging if you’re not, you know, guided or led in the right way, or you’re not aware of that trauma. And so I started reading a little bit about that, and and then I just actually went to a training on feta healing, which was awesome, super awesome. But

Brandon Handley 15:49
you owe me like, more links or something on that. And here’s the you know, what’s funny, those right, you know, army 12 years, getting involved with yoga, and then be like, Oh, this is all Whoo, to being. I just finished my data healing. And I’d like to know, I’d also like to know more about the trauma, meditation. Um, because you’re right. When you when you this happened to me, mine was in no way shape, or form, you know, as severe as, you know, kind of what you were going through. But I was going through a space.

Unknown Speaker 16:27
And I couldn’t I

Brandon Handley 16:30
couldn’t I couldn’t get out of it. Right. Yeah. And I know all this stuff. And I’m really, really good at it, right. But there was something just and it wasn’t even big, but it was just enough. Where I was so focused on it, and I couldn’t I couldn’t get the fuck out of my own way.

Lindsey Garner 16:46
Yeah, it turns out that’s like, why happens? You just you get, all you do when you get quiet for meditation is you just replay that?

Unknown Speaker 16:56
Like, oh,

Lindsey Garner 16:58
what am I doing over here? You know, and I don’t know a whole lot about it. But I have just kind of started digging in and reading some books and learning about it. But even just

Unknown Speaker 17:11
just like

Lindsey Garner 17:12
somebody else, again, like somebody else saying, like, hey, it’s okay. Like, dude, forgive yourself.

Brandon Handley 17:20
Yeah. Yeah, no, it’s 100% 100% when somebody else can share the human condition. And lets you know that you’re not alone. And that, I think that that’s something that you do with your, your blog, right? You did two things with your blog that that come to my mind. If you don’t mind, like me shower, like kind of some some quick thoughts on that. Right. Um, one is, I’m a Bob Proctor fan. The dude the dude, like, wise, and you know, I don’t know if there’s some sales gimmicks, and I’m afraid to give them money, but like everything he says, is legit. And, and one of his one of the things that he recommends, or he talks about something that he practices is, whenever he’s got a problem, or whenever he’s going through something, he writes it down on it, he gets it out of his head, and on a piece of paper, out of his head and onto a piece of paper. And then he’ll go through it, he’ll read it. And I’ll ask themselves, did I get it all out? Right? I think it’s, I think it’s a kind of a Karthik thing, where, and at the same time, you can look at it, it’s like talking to somebody almost right. And you and I can talk about the you know, any problems that we’re having. And sometimes when it comes out of your mouth, you like, was not as big as I thought that it was, like that was a pretty big inside my head, it was huge. But once it got out here to this face, I was able to kind of see it in a different light in a different way. So I think that that’s one thing that you do with your blog, right? Sounds like it kind of started from a space where you needed to get the shit out of your head.

Lindsey Garner 18:53
Yeah, I was reading it if I was real.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And so you’re getting readers, and people do like it. And I think that they like it because you’re just being honest, sincere and letting them know and I’m not even trying to lead by example or anything again, just sharing who you are and what you’re going through in, in a non sugar coated kind of way. And yeah, people get to see that

Lindsey Garner 19:21
really hate that sugar coating thing that hate it, I think. Yeah, I don’t know. I really, it’s like my pet peeve when you know, somebody ain’t okay. And they’re like, not, everything’s great. Or like, this is why I’m posting on social media is what I’m sharing with the world. And then Meanwhile, it’s like a dumpster fire and you’re like, maybe if you just share the dumpster fire a little bit. You can have somebody be like, Oh my god, I’m actually in this dumpster too. And I know the way out. It’s

Brandon Handley 19:52
right over here. Yeah, no, that’s Yeah, that’s fair. But let’s let’s let’s play it in reverse because I also know that you’re you’re A big fan of some manifestation and a little bit of LA. Right. So then what happened? You know, how does that work in that space for you? Right? So if I focus on my problem, and I talk more about it, am I attracting more of it? Or am I learning at all? I mean, you know, I mean,

Lindsey Garner 20:17
yeah, I think about that damn, Esther Hicks Get out of my head. You don’t know me? I do. Think about it. Do you think a lot of it comes from the intention in it? Right? I don’t sit in my shed, I write it. And that is that is that catharsis of like, okay, I read it, I give it out. I read it. And then it’s done. I’m not coming back. I’m not not saying it. And I think that’s part of it. And this is like, for every human being out there. There’s something for them to do that allows them to do that. For me. It’s writing, right? You know, for some people it might be running, I don’t know, gross, but to each their own. I can’t imagine feeling better. Mentally. After a long run. I’ve usually I’m like, oh my god. Everything hurts. But

Brandon Handley 21:07
yeah, me.

Lindsey Garner 21:09
Cooking, like cooking can be therapeutic for people you could have great,

Brandon Handley 21:13
yeah. So for me, it took me a while to kind of get around to it and understand it. But when I’m cooking in the kitchen, I’m creating something. That’s an act of creation. And

Unknown Speaker 21:27
it feels wonderful,

Unknown Speaker 21:28
right? And you’re serious,

Brandon Handley 21:30
right? You get to share and then and then if somebody doesn’t need it, or if they use too much seesaw, I get pissed, but

Lindsey Garner 21:36
you made your own.

Brandon Handley 21:38
But but the deal is it’s like and you start to let go of that too. Right? You must see your you know, somebody who’s getting pissed because you know, size for shorts aren’t down. It’s it’s like you’re not doing it, you’re just getting over the reaction to what you’ve done or created. Right? Whereas the process, you know, Meg and I had this conversation not too long ago, she’s like, I hate the process. I was like, well, the process is pretty cool. You just haven’t kind of experienced it yet. Right? You haven’t experienced like this, this this thing where you morphed through the process? Yeah. Right. And then like, because there’s really nothing else you can say to it, other than it’s the process of creation process. So yeah, and when you go through creating something with purpose, and 10, and love, then doesn’t really matter what the outcome is, unless it’s murder. And then there’s then we got to talk, but I can’t you know,

Lindsey Garner 22:35
love course, maybe I don’t know. I feel like she’s watched a documentary about some shows

Brandon Handley 22:40
you seen one or two on them? For sure. For sure. So let’s me let’s talk about what’s your process. Ben. Right, let’s talk about if you were to, if you were to guide somebody through it right now. And I see on your site, just as talk to me, like what somebody can reach out to you for? And you know, what would you guide through somebody through in a process oriented way?

Lindsey Garner 23:02
I’m trying to think I think the last person, or probably the by get the most feedback about is anytime that I talk about my relationship with my body. I don’t want to make a sweeping statement like this is something that women experience differently than men because I think men experience the same sort of, like discomfort in their own skin, or pressures from society or whatever. But this has been a big journey of mine. And I yeah, I mean, growing up. My mom is something special. She did her best. I believe that we don’t have a great relationship now. And a lot of that comes from me becoming a parent. And seeing Oh, wait, woof. That was maybe not an okay thing. I remember she told me I was maybe 30. I mean, I had done some shit in my life. And she said, the proudest I’ve ever been, is when you decided to lose weight when you were a teenager. And I’m like, wow, like, I want to combat had a kid I graduated degrees and have a successful career. And I was like, Whoa, there it is. So it’s just something that was ever present in my life. And that constant need to look a certain way to show up a certain way for everyone else, because I thought that’s what was needed to be and so I get a lot of women after I write about that, specifically, that will reach out and say like, okay, like, What do I do? Like, how did you get there? How did you get to the point where it’s not that I don’t care? I mean, I definitely care what I look like, but I don’t attach so much meaning and expectation to it anymore. I Who was it? It was on your podcast, and they call it a meat suit. Who was that?

Brandon Handley 24:57
That was this funny Christian. It was Yeah, he’s He’s really good.

Lindsey Garner 25:04
I really do like, as I’ve learned to meditate, and as I’ve learned to get a connection with the divine through meditation, I realized like, this is not it.

Brandon Handley 25:14
This is funny. I would, I would love to say that this is a smaller part of who we are.

Unknown Speaker 25:24
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:24
that’s right. Yeah. Like, I mean, like, I mean, if we infant festival, right, especially if we consider ourselves, I don’t know, in connection to the universe, right? Or as the universe, depending on how you kind of want to want to go about it. You know, yeah, Krishna said that, you know, other people that have said that plenty of times as neville goddard talks about being in the meatsuit Alan Watts will talk about being meatsuit. It’s not. He says, It is funny, but it’s, it’s true. Right? These are just, this is just something that we’re wearing right now. Right? Yeah. So

Lindsey Garner 26:00
beautiful. Like what is attractive to, like other people like what is attracted to me a guy that I’m like, Oh, my gosh, I’m super attracted that guy. Another person is like, what? Right? So subjective, that I think like, it comes from meditation. And I always comes back to that that like, because I started there. And then I realized, Oh, wait, actually, I’m this ball of light. And I’m connected to the divine all the time. And like, I don’t want to talk shit about the divine right? Why am I talking shit about myself?

Unknown Speaker 26:35
all the time? Yeah.

Lindsey Garner 26:37
And then I just became like, I didn’t want to have small talk anymore. And I noticed this, so many women around me, the majority of the conversations were grounded around what their kids were doing with their husbands are doing in their bodies.

Brandon Handley 26:52
Would you say that? That’s just because they’re, they’re afraid of who they really are? Yeah. How would you help somebody get through that?

Lindsey Garner 27:03
Yeah. I, um,

Brandon Handley 27:08
I mean, like, right, right. Like, I mean, so it will even flip back to you. So you think that you’re divine? Right. And you’re connected to the divine? Yes, you so somebody else said they are divine, and they’re connected to the divine, and they still have some larger conversations.

Lindsey Garner 27:24
Well, I have them unabashedly. And what I have noticed is that when I have them, that is uncomfortable at first. And then it becomes an okay thing. I mean, I do this and I do this. At my store, I have about 30 people that work for me and they love hate me. Because I make these conversations a thing. Like if I come into the break room, and we’re talking about trying to lose weight, so our size look less fat, I like awkwardly change the topic to What are you reading? What’s a book you’re reading? Let’s talk about it? Or do you want to hear about what I manifested last year, like I unabashedly just, I just think we’re playing small, and I will call people out on it. And I think sometimes it’s just that destruction that’s needed. And then it’s like, again, it’s like a ripple effect. I do it. And I see other people do it, little by little, and that’s, like, greatest success of my whole life is when I come in, and we’re talking about big things.

Brandon Handley 28:24
That’s great, right? Because then you can see that you’re having some influence, right? Or, you know, you’re manifesting that right? for yourself, right? Like, like, you know, so you’re able to kind of see this future state where you walk into an office and a break room, and everybody’s talking about cool shit instead of chubby thighs. Right? I mean, you know, just to kind of lay it out there like that. So, it’s what makes it so easy for you to, to, to, you know, feel like you’re living this kind of greater life and to be able to look at somebody else and say that, hey, you could be living a greater life or, you know, stop playing small. Right? And I bring that up, because I recall being It was a few years ago, I was in a dad, dad bloggers convention, because that was my space at the time. But I was asking these guys is like, you know, what’s the feel like for you to step into your greatness and I meant it, right? Like, yeah, and they shied away from accepting anything that looked like greatness and kind of hurt my heart. Yeah, it’s like, Wow, man, like you’re a great person, and like, you’re doing something awesome. But you don’t even see it for yourself. Right. So how do you how do you know how do you step into your greatness and how you help and other stuff There’s

Lindsey Garner 30:02
number one like expectations, you gotta let them ships go, which I say is like, it’s so easy. I would say this, like, I basically have mastered this. No, I totally not that just so you know. But I have learned so much around really pushing expectations, not not just at work in my life in my marriage, like, so much. Just because I want an outcome from someone or I see something in someone, I don’t have an ability to impact their path. I don’t touch it, and on my you know, like a marble, your marble hits, and then it goes another direction or pool ball or whatever. But who am I to know what their journey looks like? And how many awesome things could come from them effing things up. And I mean, that’s part of it. You know, my last year of my life has been really, truly transformative. My husband and I have been through a shit ton. And I have watched him really come into his own. And he was on the phone. He had surgery yesterday, he had one more heart surgery yesterday. And he couldn’t be on our marriage. Can we have marriage counseling every week? It’s like, we don’t miss it. Even if we feel really good. We’re like, Nope, still doing it. And I was sitting in my marriage counseling, and my counselor and I were talking and I was saying how, how hard it is to be a caregiver for someone for this long. And I was like, man, there’s things about my husband, that I really miss, you know, from a year ago, like, physically that he could do, or just like experiences we could have when he is truly healthy. And he was like, but what’s come of it. And I thought I thought about it, I was like, this person that’s here, now is so, so much more grounded in like, what’s truly important. He’s learning about the things that we’re talking about it now. And like, we’re able to have actual real conversation where we show up as ourselves instead of this, like surface shit. And I’m like, you know what, actually, right? Like, that’s what matters, not the, you know, he does assess, take naps, like that’s really he’s in the hospital for a year, you don’t come out of that in three months. So it’s cool. I didn’t deal with that. Because there’s all this and we had to go through all that shit. For that to happen, he probably wouldn’t have if he if he hadn’t almost died as many times as he did, or we hadn’t had any of the issues that we had, we wouldn’t be here. And so that has given me the perspective to know that like, hey, Karen, I see you, we don’t have your shorts. I’m sorry, that is pissed you off. I was just gonna be kind to you anyway, maybe it impacts you. Maybe it doesn’t.

Brandon Handley 32:58
Because it goes to the whole idea of you know, treating others as you know, we can love thy neighbor isn’t love thy neighbor, them, you know, you love the neighbor as yourself. Because, you know, in essence, and at least in our conversation in our world, they are. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, you’re not getting it. And I say this so that, you know, for the person out there that is struggling to deal with the people that are paying their ass or whatever, with a couple things, right? I mean, however that person is, that’s kind of a reflection of who we are. Right? And then the idea of you get what you give, so no, kill them with kindness, right? And maybe, maybe take that person out of the equation and put yourself in an equation, right? Like, you know what, I’m just gonna, you’re me. I love you. Yeah, you know, I

Lindsey Garner 33:55
mean, oh, I just had a thought that. Okay, I don’t share this a lot. So I’m going to share it and this is what I do. So my husband cheated on me. We had infidelity in our relationship. And here it is, like, this girl that he cheated on me this was a manifestation of every single insecurity that I had. She was the complete opposite of me. And in my deepest shit, it made me super insecure and like I’m not good enough. I’m, I don’t look a certain way. I don’t add a lot on Instagram posting selfies. It’s just not who I am. no judgement, live your life, but it’s not. And I was like, Oh my God, is this what he wants? And then I I mean, it clicked for me one day and I was like, holy shit. She is everything that I am holding on to as my own insecurity and I put that shit in my path. And I’m not you know, I’m not here to say that. There’s not any like, Oh, it was me that I did that. No, I

Unknown Speaker 35:00
mean, but but I mean,

Brandon Handley 35:02
so you’re taking ownership of it and one way or another, right. And, and it was really interesting. I saw jack Canfield, you know, Chicken Soup for the Soul guy. He said, just just for a moment, if you can own 100% of it, by all of it, then own it, right. But if you just own 99% of it, then there’s a problem, right? But here, and what you’ve done is you’ve said, you know, you’re looking at this other person, those are all the vibes that you were sending out, you were like, creating this thing yourself. And you focused on it long enough with enough emotion with enough intensity to you know, kind of create your own bullshit. Gollum, whatever her name was.

Lindsey Garner 35:52
100% Yeah. Right. And, and, and crazy, like, exactly it in my head.

Brandon Handley 36:00
Right. And and, and the thing is, there’s a lot of power in that then no, so Okay. dial in the wrong fucking thing. So now, now you’re like, Alright, well, you know, here’s what I would change about that going forward. Right? And and, you know, you mentioned Esther Hicks. Right. So you’re an abraham hicks fan?

Unknown Speaker 36:23
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 36:25
The her whole principle is like, you know, the relationships that you’ve had in the past, right? The idea that I don’t want somebody this moves, I don’t want somebody does this. I don’t want somebody does that, and yada, yada, and all sudden that person shows up. Right? Right. It was funny, because a meg and I had dinner last week, we were talking about the relationships that my mom had, as I was growing up, you know, her, my dad was abusive, right? And so she got us out of that before me and before it ever earned for me. But almost every guy that I recall, her being in a relationship later in life with was abusive. So just makes me think, and I’m sure that, you know, she tunes into this one that she probably say no, but and I don’t know, but like, you know, the whole idea of, I don’t want somebody that abuses me, I don’t want somebody to treat me like this. I don’t want somebody treats me. And instead of instead of saying, This is what I do want. And and I always, you know, I have Meg do it at dinner. I was like, you know, do you pull out your Google phone, you know, pull up Google put in there, type in no red balloons, right? What’s gonna come up black and red balloons everywhere? I mean, it because, you know, so our minds operate in the same way. So I mean, you know, which is something you’re familiar with. One of the things that you did, though, throughout, you know, kind of this whole ordeal with your husband being this way, you you manifest some pretty crazy shit. Right? Let’s talk about that. Like, let’s talk about how you, you know, you focused on what you mean, Tell, tell us how you manifested that stuff. And you did it and kind of squirt water and some pretty cool things to talk about.

Lindsey Garner 38:06
He? Well, so we’re both veterans, and he’s 100% disabled. So most of his health care goes to the VA. When he first got sick, that was what we were doing. We were going through the VA and the VA denied him care, he kept getting sicker, kept getting sicker, they couldn’t really figure it out. And we had to just kind of start and think, Okay, you know what, we got to go somewhere else like this isn’t gonna work. And so I recently did the The first thing anybody says with me, it’s like all call your congressman call your congressman. So we did all that, right. We’re like, Okay, here we go. Like, let’s do this. I don’t know anything about politics. But let me get started. I’m not very political. Um, so went that route, and I was on a walk one day, all my, all my best shit comes in, I’m walking that damn feral dog. And I love my dog, but he’s a mess. So we take a lot of walks, because he needs a lot. And we’re walking. And I was like, there has to be a place where he can get everything that he needs, mental, spiritual, physical. All of this, like it’s got to be a place. And that for me, I’m, I am a big believer in feeling how things feel in your body. And I do feel like that sounds right. There it is. And so instead of going to the VA, my first thing is I call my sister, my sister’s a doctor, and I’m like, maybe, you know, is this a thing like and she started giving me a couple places I could look and I just kept meditating on that. I was like, we’re gonna find a place that is going to be all encompassing, is going to follow him through to the end because the VA said, No, you we’re gonna send you to a nursing home. And my sister was like, he will die in that nursing home. He will not go out. It and during COVID he would have gone by himself, I wouldn’t have been able to be there.

Unknown Speaker 40:06
Yeah, and sure enough,

Lindsey Garner 40:08
people reached out for Mass General and said, Hey, we can take him on not only can we take him on, we can pay for pay for what the insurance doesn’t cover. And I was like, What? And then a friend of his created a GoFundMe, and it blew up and gave us enough to cover my travel costs to go back and forth and to pay for me to take time off work to be there. And I mean, I,

Brandon Handley 40:32
I want to I want to throw out there too, like, I mean, you also have a family and it’s not just you and your husband. Like, I think

Unknown Speaker 40:39
a teenage daughter

Brandon Handley 40:41
right so so you know, you got all that going on. And and it’s enough to you talked about, you know, being being a caregiver for this long period of time, and I chuckled to myself is like you know, for better for worse, but like, I mean, for like a half hour or a day maybe right? But you’ve got this you’ve got this whole year going on. And what I’m hearing yourself say those like you know, when you’re when you’re walking into golf is walks you you’re kind of tossing these questions to the universe, like you know, what we’re, you know, you know, feel and then you talk about feeling it and and one thing that I think is a male and and the United States Anyways, we’re taught not to feel a whole lot, right. But you know, dawns on me really like feeling really is you know, your thoughts and emotions, you know, your head and your heart coming together as one and doing kind of like a purposeful way. And sounds to me like you were feeling your way forward in a way that felt best. I hate to say like, follow your bliss, or when I say I’ll say follow your hunches. Are you familiar with Florence? scovel Shinn, huh? Yes, this is my jam, right? But you know, hunches or your house or heaven or something like that, again, it’s one of her things, right? So you’re following your hunches and you’re focused on the possible and then this just started happening?

Lindsey Garner 42:01
Yeah, it does. And my marriage counselor, anytime there was like a hiccup in our marriage, he’s like, Oh, there you go. You’re fast. manifester. What we think you out and I’m like, yeah, damn it. Yeah, that’s true. Um, yeah. And I don’t know like, you can say like, I could see right now like, I want to be a NASA or at NASA thing that thing anymore. I want to be an astronaut. That sounds really cool. Doesn’t land for me. It doesn’t I don’t get excited about it. I feel that and if I say on the other hand, like, I want to live in campgrounds one day because I love campground people. I love the lack of boundaries that exists in campgrounds.

Brandon Handley 42:48
nightmare.

Lindsey Garner 42:52
We’ve talked about it. I’m like, no, it’s great. Everybody like comes over eats your dinner. You they come into your house. They’re like, Can I see your camper? And you’re like, yeah, oh, yeah, you

Brandon Handley 43:02
get rid of the airstream. I’m so jealous.

Lindsey Garner 43:05
though nobody bought for keeping it. And me and Zach in RV can

Unknown Speaker 43:09
rent them out, by the way, right? You can rent them right?

Lindsey Garner 43:12
Well, I just don’t have time to manage it. I like

Brandon Handley 43:15
I’ll send you a link later. But you don’t have to do the management this kind of like an Airbnb forum.

Unknown Speaker 43:21
Yeah. Okay.

Unknown Speaker 43:23
Great. Anyways, I

Lindsey Garner 43:24
mean, we’re gonna keep it for our road trip this summer. So Lisa, my 15 year old daughter and two dogs are taking this little Airstream. We’re going,

Brandon Handley 43:33
Yeah, I love it. So standing naked in front of strangers, your blog, people should be going and checking it out. They’re going to find more of kind of what we’re talking about here. I’m going to ask you a couple of questions. And it’s going to be kind of like, we’re speed dating, right? We’re seriously right now. And woo Wayne. So why are so many people depressed?

Lindsey Garner 44:00
Don’t think they’re connected to who they are? think they’re connected what they think everyone wants them to be? feel like they’re faking it a lot faking It’s exhausting.

Brandon Handley 44:12
When you stay connected to who you are, like, what does that mean to you?

Lindsey Garner 44:18
Things showing up as what you think others expect of you instead of in a way that honors like why you know, you’ve been put here everyone has a purpose Everyone has their own path and like the more that we get connected to that and show up in that way.

Brandon Handley 44:37
So you would you would tell somebody to kind of try and fight figure out what the purpose is to start lean into it and that would lead them to kind of who they are.

Lindsey Garner 44:44
Yeah, and that doesn’t mean this like giant sexy thing. Like for me, I freakin love running a retail store, right? I used to think it needed to be this like, huge thing. I really get joy out of selling yoga pants. I love it.

Brandon Handley 44:56
And that’s awesome, right? And I think that that can be And it’s been tough for me to find that so tough for me to find that right? If I’m not doing if I’m not doing something a little heavier, right? Because if if, you know, going back to, if I feel like I’m in a room with people talking about stubby thighs, I don’t feel like I’m living my best life. Right? And so so like, how do you how do you get out of that? And there’s it sounds to me, like you found ways to focus on what you’re bringing into your life and to these people through the work that you do. That is driving your purpose and satisfaction, and it doesn’t have to be doesn’t have to be your shelter changing the world, right? So someone’s world,

Lindsey Garner 45:40
yeah, in my own little universe. And I think that that’s the way that’s the most accessible to everyone like it. I think sometimes, this idea of like our purpose, we make it this big thing. And then it seems so far that we don’t even take a step towards it. But like, if I can come into my store, say something kind to someone, they all say all of a sudden feel more comfortable in their skin, or they then repeat that that’s change, and you’ve made it in your own little microcosm, right.

Brandon Handley 46:08
But it’s also micro, right, you go back to the idea of stepping into your greatness. And sometimes that’s like, 1000 baby steps to get there. Yes, right. So these small, you’re right, like if we try to put this overarching sense of purpose, where it’s like this huge fuckin vision, right? Like, you know. And instead we say, you know, I think it’s okay to say that. This is my purpose for right now. Yeah. Are people out there? There are people out there who believe your purpose doesn’t change. Right. Um, but I think that there are instances of you know, about this purpose revision.

Lindsey Garner 46:52
I can tell you right now, 19 year old Lindsey that I don’t know what my Yeah, I don’t think it was the same. Right? Right. Talk about it.

Brandon Handley 47:01
Let’s let’s do you know, I love the idea that you you feel like you can connect with the divine at will that you are divine. That to me, would indicate that you’ve got an idea on kind of what heaven is and how to get there.

Lindsey Garner 47:18
afraid of death anymore, either, which is cool. Like I live recklessly, but I’m not afraid of death anymore. Because I just don’t view it. Like, I have a different relationship with planes of existence in time, you know that. I just don’t do it the same. Also meditation can we just all get the shit out of our head that you need to be sitting on a pillow with like, incense burning, and essential oils and mala, like, my best meditations in my car. I’m on lunch break.

Brandon Handley 47:49
I’m so glad to say I was doing it yesterday, like in the car. Like I was, like, you know what, and it was very comfortable. I had like my own jams going. Also sound therapy because like, I can turn that off. I can turn the volume up and says like, I can set like theta waves in the car, right? And I’m sitting in a theta situation. So yeah, what is heaven right to you, and how would you get there?

Lindsey Garner 48:15
I think it’s actually like, getting into a place. Where, okay, I’m going to describe this because my husband, I talk about this all the time. So we have two dogs. We have three dogs, but with an English bulldog. She’s 11 she’s kind of an asshole. She’s grumpy. She bites people. Then we have Bojangles He’s my dog. And he lives his life. Just like so fully. He’s so excited to see you. He is so curious and just in joy all the time. And I feel like shorty, that’s the grumpy asshole. She’s on her like, first life Bojangles be like on his 77th he’s had time to be like, Oh, don’t do that. Now, okay. And you learn and you learn and you learn and I honestly, I think that it’s it’s an ability to have what we would consider to be like, a life. That is that where you’re like, man, I am in this and I am Yeah, there’s hard things but like it’s okay. And you move through it. I really I think it’s more than that. And I don’t really think we have a concept of it. I think there’s a way I could describe it. But I think it’s like an ultimate sense of peace enjoy.

Brandon Handley 49:33
Yeah, I mean, so it sounds to me that you’re kind of living your life as it is and finding those moments of connection. Yeah, would be to you a little bit like having and yeah, are you are you saying then that new could have heaven here on earth and not like Belinda Carlisle song but slightly different.

Lindsey Garner 49:58
Oh, way to go. Good work, Belinda Carlisle. Yeah, I do think that, uh, now I want to sing it, but I don’t want that I don’t want that immortalized in the podcast. My teenage daughter would be like, what are you doing? I am mortified. Although right.

Brandon Handley 50:19
Now, that’s perfect. And I agree, I think that, um, I think that it is, and I think that it hasn’t closed. But I think that, you know, kind of, the more that you meditate, the more that you focus on it, the more that you make that your intent and your purpose to find in your life, you know, by pop in, you know, heavens, in my Google search engine, it’s a good chance that we’ll find it right, at least I can dig, I don’t know how many, how many O’s I’m gonna have to go through to find the one that I like. But, you know, if we put that into our search engines, then we have an opportunity to find it. So, so grateful, again, for you for free to pop on. I’ve enjoyed getting to know you a little bit more. Enjoy, you know, thank you for the conversations that we get to have online and thanks for the conversations that you have with with Meg, I know that you get to act as a as a translator, for what I’m saying. It’s true, because once he gets to translate what it is I’m saying the mag normal language. And it’s a challenge, right? Because I’m so immersed in it right and and, you know, as the idea of you become what you eat, right? And if all you’re taking in is this content, that’s all I can come out. And we get to I get to a point and I know that I’m not the best with it, but I sometimes I do forget, you know where I came from like this is I’ve always been connected to source.

Unknown Speaker 51:53
No.

Brandon Handley 51:55
No. The other day when you’re being asshole you weren’t connected? You’re totally not.

Lindsey Garner 52:00
Yeah, I really honest part of why I write is because I am terrible at communicating my husband. And if you got it helps a lot. He’s like,

Brandon Handley 52:09
I mean, that’s why we have 90% of our conversations on Facebook, right? Like, that’s where we catch up. She’ll come in and she’ll come in and let me know something’s going on. But yeah, I read that, like, two hours ago, we’re all caught up like, I’m on your feed from but so so again, very grateful for you coming on today. I’m glad that we got the chance to have this conversation. Where should I send people to go hang out with you? which defines

Lindsey Garner 52:33
Yeah, go read my blog. I think that’s a good way and then yeah, I mean, it’s it’s a it’s a baby blog, because they do it very much on the side and I would love one day to make that thing that is bigger and then I can do on a larger scale. So yeah, go and tell me what you want me to say and start a conversation I hate small talk. So yeah, just like drop some really awkward awesome deep shit in there my best day

Brandon Handley 53:00
when somebody so you’ve also got the chat function there, you know, outside of some deep shifts that you want some people to drop their what you know, what are some other things that somebody might feel reach out to you for?

Lindsey Garner 53:15
Anything that I read connects you in? You’re like, man, how did you do that? I’m not here to tell you like this was easy. It took me like 10 years to figure this shit out. But I can be a partner and a sounding board and nothing annoys me more than an advice giver. So I will not give you advice but there is face always face to just be where you are. And then maybe sometimes like a gentle nudge, be like okay, you’ve been where you are a little too long time. Let’s do this.

Unknown Speaker 53:41
Like right after you get the fuck out.

Lindsey Garner 53:43
Yeah, sir. I know a way.

Unknown Speaker 53:47
Right? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. Awesome. Okay, thank

Unknown Speaker 53:51
you.

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Mark Youngblood is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth, individually and collectively. He is the founder and CEO of Inner Mastery, Inc., and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He has been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the Inner Mastery Methodology for more than 25 years. Through his Pathway to Radiance online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations so you can Love Yourself, create a Life you Love, and shine your Inner Light on the World!

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All right, well, let’s let’s get it fired up and we’ll go 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on here today with Mr. Maher Youngblood he is devoted to elevating human consciousness and promoting spiritual growth individually. And collectively, he is the founder and CEO of inner mastery Inc, and an internationally recognized speaker and author. He’s been practicing transformational coaching and teaching the inner mastery methodology for more than 25 years, through his pathway to radians, online programs, he helps people heal their emotional wounding and clear their blocks and limitations. So you can love yourself, create a life you love and shine your inner light on the world. Mark, thanks for being here. It

mark youngblood 0:51
was my pleasure. Thanks, Brandon. I really looking forward to the conversation.

Brandon Handley 0:55
Absolutely. I think you’re the first person I’ve ever introduced in the style of, you know, getting to the ring. But there you have it. I like to I like to open these up with the whole idea that you and I are here at this exact time, space and place in the universe. So that source can speak through us. Right. Right. And more specifically, you to somebody out there right now, a specific message and what is that message that’s kind of streaming through you right now Mark?

Unknown Speaker 1:29
Well, you know, the

mark youngblood 1:30
primary theme of all the work I do and spiritual domain, really also in the corporate work that I do, is that, you know, our calling is to, is to really reveal our ratings. It’s, it’s to recover, that knowingness of who we truly are, and our true self level, and to be able to live our life from that center, you know, we call it living from the soul side. So, you know, in your intro, you said a little bit about kind of my philosophy, but just to recap it, you know, my approach to working with helping people to, you know, raise your consciousness and live a much better life is that we’re already souls, but we don’t have to become more of one, we have to become less of what we’re not. And that’s all the stuff that’s between us and being able to be the soul, that’s that, the layers of ego and all the one thing and the identification with being an ego and being a personality, that when we clear that out, the light just naturally shines, we don’t have to try to shine it. And so that’s, that’s what’s up for me, you know, it’s, it’s always what’s up and both for myself and for the people I work with out in the world, is to shine more that light, you know, every day, clear more of that blockage out of the way center more into that identification with who we are truly, and that’s the, you know, magnificent soap.

Brandon Handley 3:01
That’s, that’s, that’s great, right? It kind of makes me think of me with the house, we just moved out of had a, this kind of this does UV light to clear the water, right? And, you know, if you didn’t clear the rod, every once in a while, of that light, and then you know, the light came out, right? So it’s kind of like the same thing, right? You’re basically helping us clear clear the light there. That rod, one of the things that I noticed about you just kind of working with you and and just my own introspection of your choice of the word radian, right. I thought that I think that was a really great choice of words and determine and what we do here. How did you? How did you land on the word radiant? You know, actually,

mark youngblood 3:50
I had a friend who was teasing me about it and going, what are we radioactive? No, not

quite? Well, you know, there’s

Brandon Handley 4:02
always some jerk out there, Mark.

Unknown Speaker 4:04
He’s a great guy. So

mark youngblood 4:05
a friend of mine, who’s yanking my chain on it. But you know, every image you’ve ever seen of awakened people, when they’ve been depicted, they’re glowing, you know, that they just are shining. And, you know, in my own inner eye, when I look at people at the soul level, they’re just blazing with light, you know, and they’re in. To me, it is radiance. You know, it’s just, it’s, it’s an effortless shining of our inner magnificence. And, you know, it’s who we all are. And that’s a such a liberating idea. You know? It’s so funny. I don’t know, what sort of religious background you have. Brandon. Maybe you can tell us about a second.

Brandon Handley 4:51
Yeah, yeah. I’m 100% open. I can you know, I think that you’d asked yesterday or today about you know, kind of who you know. You know, I was questioned about asking about a woman who had been impactful in kind of our journey, right? And I told you, my mom, because I literally, this is all the stuff that kind of were having a conversation about, I was taught at a very young age, but I wasn’t able to process it the same way. Right? But now it’s like, kind of it’s, it’s, it’s almost like, this was always my first language, but I was never able to speak it.

mark youngblood 5:23
Yeah. Yeah, that’s, that’s fascinating. Well, I was raised in a Methodist, which is kind of a moderate Christian religion. And yeah, we were taught that, you know, we have a soul and the devil can get it, you know, like, it’s some sort of a little crystal or a gem or something, you know, and you’ve got, with everything, like it’s gonna, you know, be taken away from us. And, you know, I think it’s completely opposite, instead of being a person who has a soul, where a soul who has a personality, and, you know, it’s, it’s invented, you know, who we think we are, we created it, from the moment, we began to have a sense that there’s a self here, we invented a story. And a lot of that story is really limiting. Now, almost anybody is functional in the world has a part of their story that actually reflects some of their soul qualities. But there’s so much embellishment and a lot of garbage in that, that, you know, teasing the two apart, and really knowing what aspects that I’m bringing to the world are truly coming from that soul perspective, and what is just as made up, you know, and I’m coming from this invented facade, that it’s performing, you know, it’s, it’s out trying to convince the world of who it is. And to separate those two things. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying the Eagles are bad, I’m saying that you don’t want to identify with it, and you want to clear it out, you want to clear out all the limiting beliefs and all the wounding is holding on to that or as you were describing earlier, you know, that junk is blocking the UV light or blocking the soul light. And you need tools to that, you know, you need ways to go about doing it that are proven, and the work. And once you do you know, then it’s, it’s like eating a chocolate elephant. And I don’t know if you’ve heard that expression before, where you know, the idea of the chocolate elephants the big change you want to make. And so with this, it’s, it’s about just taking a bite, you know, every day or a few times a week, and just eat, it adds up, it adds up over time, you know,

Brandon Handley 7:43
100%, I have never heard it referred to as chocolate elephant, but I will it is now Forever, forever. And they’re back real quick though to to I’m gonna jump all the way back to radians and then we’ll walk walk forward from there. But you know, you’re talking about, you know, that that light that naturally shines, and I love that you also just kind of talk about it with being effortless. Yeah. The other idea too, is that radio, you know, radio point is, is his center, and it’s spherical when it comes from all spaces, right? It’s not just not just flat and 2d, it’s, you know, it’s, it’s amorphous. And so that’s the vision. And that’s, you know, when I think when I thought about the choice of word radiance that you chose as a will, that’s perfect. Because just like you’re saying that is the light that naturally shines doesn’t shine never signs in 2d. It’s wherever there is space for it to shine.

mark youngblood 8:39
Right? Right. Like that. I’ve never heard that. I love it. It certainly fits.

Brandon Handley 8:45
Yeah, I mean, so that was that was had that’s that was my thought on where it came from for you. But you know, so that there we go. Right. But then we kind of joined it up in the middle there. Never, you know, and never really thought about that too. Like the soul getting taken away. I always thought about like, maybe the soul getting murky or something like that. And so it’s kind of like the idea of, you know, the devil trying to come up, take it and you’ve got to try and protect your soul from getting stolen, right?

mark youngblood 9:13
Yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s such a strange thing. To think of it that way. But but it’s the common thing, you know, you know, almost any movie that has references to souls. It’s like that, you know, it’s like, the what’s the guy’s name? That was the blues singer Robert Johnson. Is that his name that that went down the crossroads and he sold his soul to the devil to be a great guitar player. You know, like he wouldn’t get bargained bartering away.

Brandon Handley 9:39
I remember I mean, I think of the song right, like, uh, you know, I remember the song right, like, it’s kind of similar to that, like, devil went down to Georgia. Yeah. similar background, right. Yeah. doubling down short. Anyways. Yeah. Well, um, you know, what I want to know too, is a little bit about the journey of Mark Youngblood and just kind of how you came into this space for yourself, if you could shine a little light on that, if you could,

mark youngblood 10:07
yeah, I’ll be glad to, you know, and, and one of the great things about, you know, telling stories like this brand, and I really want to acknowledge you for your work and for what you do with this This podcast is, is that by hearing the stories there, they’re that every man and every woman story, right, this is nothing special. You know, it’s not for some select few, it’s for every one of us. And, and that’s, you know, one of the things that gets to come out of this. And, you know, I have a model for the evolution of consciousness, and I call it the pathway to radiants. And there’s stages and, and in my own life, you know, a lot of the development of the model was based on noticing for myself what happened at various kind of plateaus in this journey. And, you know, I had a, I had an awakening moment. And it was when I hit rock bottom, and in my model, the first stage of everyone’s life is the wounding stage. This is when we’re born, and this is, you know, and we’re growing into a personality. And we’re taught all these limitations, and we have things done to us that leaves emotional scars, and energetic scars, for that matter. And, and then we come into adulthood, with the baggage, you know, all of this baggage. And that’s what makes us unconscious to who we are. And, you know, I’ve always been really curious about what leads someone to wake up, you know, what causes that to happen. And in my own life, I had to hit rock bottom, and that’s where most people crack open, they either have the opportunity, at that moment, the weight awakened to a higher expression of themselves, or clean to the behaviors that put them at rock bottom, you know, yes.

Brandon Handley 12:08
Do me a favor to like, how would you define waking up? What specifically do you feel like you’re waking up to,

mark youngblood 12:14
there’s more to me than this body, this personality. That was my first awakening, because it the actual event was I was highly ego identified highly. And I was also deeply wounded and insecure, and I needed to prove myself to the world. And so I started this business, and I was telling everybody, I was gonna make millions, it’s gonna be famous, it’s gonna be wealthy. And, and, you know, I pulled it off, I was able to actually build the product that I was trying to create, at bat couldn’t sell it, because I didn’t know anything about selling, and I put all my money into it. I was down to about two weeks worth of money, I was gonna not be able to pay my mortgage the next month. And, and I had been trying to avoid admitting I was going to fail, because I couldn’t admit that, you know, I was it, everything would fall apart. And it did. And it did. And I remember I was in a panic, I still hadn’t admitted it, couldn’t eat. I couldn’t almost, you know, couldn’t breathe. And I was sitting at breakfast, made some instant oatmeal. And I took a bite and was like sada could not even swallow it. Because I was so panicked. And I didn’t know anything about meditation. But I knew if I close my eyes, and I changed the color from red, from white hot, to read, to a cooler color to blue to deep blue to black. That calmed me. And I did that. And when I got to black, there’s something in me that said, I give up. Ice, I quit, I surrender, I can’t do it. And in that moment, everything within me lit up, like the most brilliant white light that you could ever imagine. But just blindingly lit up until all I could see was white in my mind’s eye. And I was flooded with feelings of well being and of love and comfort and peace. Well, my eyes popped open, and I felt like I had never seen the world before I walked outside and birds It was like I never heard birds so beautiful. I’ve never smelled air so pure. I never seen a sky so blue. Everything was just lit up for me. I went inside I was voraciously hungry. I ate three bowls of oatmeal, call my parents and said the company’s got this failing. I got to get a job. And that’s what we are. You know it was it was hitting bottom. And when I woke up to was this tremendous hunger to find out what that something more was because Some part of my soul was able to break through. And and I wanted more. And so I just started this incredible journey of reading everything I could get my hands on, starting to do kind of out there transformational things like holotropic breathwork. And oh, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 15:22
mean, I’m gonna jump in here real quick. I mean, because I mean, right there, right? I mean, you’re, it’s funny to me, right? You’re seeing a lot of breathwork popping up now in the social media space, but it’s always been going on, it’s just a new awareness to maybe this generation, right or this space. But at the time that you were doing it, my guess is like, when did you start doing that? breathwork

mark youngblood 15:49
I think there would have been in about 1985

Brandon Handley 15:54
or so. Yeah, you were getting some looks? Because you may you were getting some looks, you got the selfies that are, you know, yuppies are coming into their own right about that. Right? Right. Well, good mark, we told you we don’t do that. No more. Right. And so so you got those guys coming in at it. But I want to I want to touch touch on a couple of things that you’re talking about before moving forward. Because you know, you’re talking about your ego identity. I’m personally I always get caught up in exactly what ego is. But you know, you’re sitting there, you’re in a space, you’re being overwhelmed. You’re you’re feeling like massive constriction, you’ve lost like all flavor and sensation, like life sensation, like, I can’t, no more. And then the moment of surrenders is that kind of that, that moment of release? Yeah. And the giving up like I give up, doesn’t have to signify I give up on life. It’s like I give up on. I’m gonna say, pardon my French on my podcast, where I give up on all this shit. And I let it go. Yeah. Right. And as soon as you do that, as soon as you did that, yeah. You opened yourself up.

mark youngblood 17:02
Right? And here’s the thing about it. I, I didn’t know I was going to do it. It was spontaneous. And it doesn’t work to just go okay, I give a

Brandon Handley 17:13
we talked about this in your group the other day, right. And we talked about the idea that if this is something that you’re looking this in relation, my similar state of that space of this, the all of Canada, I jotted down here I tuned into a whole new channel right there like you went outside you like you You walk in as the Disney Channel now it’s all lit up. It’s vibrant. There’s their sense, there’s smell is this is like, where, where’s this? Where’s this wonderful place? Ben my entire life. Right? And it’s like, and it’s like back then. Right? Like, and I was already thinking about this earlier is like, we had we had those rabbit ears back then. Right? We had to tune in even like the UHF. If you really wanted to get like Fox back in the day, you had to like go to channel 47. And channel 47, you had to direct it, you know, put it put a little bit of aluminum on top there to really get to get to that channel. But you knew a sense of space. Yeah, that had always been available to you. Yeah. Right. But it wasn’t until you let go of who you thought you had to be to be successful. Or, again, just letting go of it all.

mark youngblood 18:21
It was, you know, probably letting go might not be a word that represents what it was more like a collapse. It was more like you think about the ceilings coming down. I’m getting crushed under the weight, I’ve been trying to hold it up trying to hold up and while I was holding up was the false image of who I was right. And, and trying to defend it against the world. And the weight got too much. And I just went I quit trying to hold it up. And it’s just like, and to me, it was ego death. And you know, there’s definitely a part of me died in that moment.

Brandon Handley 18:57
And this, I just want to get back to the point though, to where like you, it’s really hard to time this moment. Right? Nobody, nobody times overall collapse, right? A life collapse. You know what, like, I think Tuesday at 445. And falling heat to the ground with all with all this and it’s on the calendar

Unknown Speaker 19:17
is gonna happen, right?

Brandon Handley 19:18
If I’m lucky, I’m gonna have a spiritual breakthrough at the same time. Right? So don’t bother calling me at 445 on Tuesday, I’m busy. So that it doesn’t it doesn’t happen like that. And I think that was one of the things that you’re saying to Salt Lake. Yeah.

mark youngblood 19:33
Right. Right. Lots of other people wake up in different ways that I think many, many, many people wake up when they reach their own personal collapse. That could be you know, if you’re identified with your job getting fired, it could be a scandal. It could be you know, the collapse of your marriage or death of someone close to you a threat to your own life. Yeah, lots of things. And kind of in the painful way of waking up, can do that. But you know, it can also happen spontaneously just out of grace. You know, it’s, that’s what I was saying a while ago, to me, it’s a little bit of a mystery how it happens. And I don’t think I could have rushed it, I don’t think I could have done it, you know, in any other way. Now, I will say this, the people who are listening, if you haven’t had that moment, I do believe that you can gently evolve your way forward, using tools like a I’m gonna say, my inner mastery methodology, which is kind of a toolkit for emotional healing, you know, being able to change how you think clear your energy, that sort of thing. But there are other tools out there. If you devote yourself to doing that healing, proactively, without waiting for things to get bad, you’re going to be raising your vibration, and you will reach a threshold because there’s not just one threshold, maybe we ought to talk about this, Brandon is the plateaus, you reach a threshold new plateau, then you climb again, and you reach the next threshold, you break through to another kind of awakening to that next level of consciousness. And then you know, you’re there for a bit and then you climb, climb, climb, and you break through the next one. And you can get there you can break through without the world having to go to pieces, if you do your work, because this is as your vibration increases, you got to think about it. Kind of like turning the the stove, the heat on the stove up under a pot. And it reaches a boiling point. And at that point, everything in the water comes out, right? Because it’s boiling it out to the surface. Well, when you reach these thresholds, it’s a quantum leap, you’re here in your vibrational frequency and boom, you pop up to another frequency, but you still have frequencies in you that don’t fit this new frequency, they’re appropriate for that bed level you were before, and they’re going to boil out, they’re going to start coming to the surface to be cleared. And that’s why we call it a dark night. This kind of disrupts your world for a while,

Brandon Handley 22:21
I would have to say that, you know, I shared this again, in the group that I think that I you know, my first kind of stumbling into enlightenment as it were right. I hesitate to call it enlightenment, my, you know, I stumbled into just a different channel, right? A different way of being real similar to your moment. Right, and I couldn’t have timed it. But to your point, and maybe you reminded me of the book, neuro Dharma by Rick Hanson, too, right? He echoes your sentiment where you can cultivate this space, right? You can, you can, you can begin to do the work now. And that’ll make the landing or you know, the space, a little bit more prepared, right, like yours, because yours was under the heap of ego identification. You know, I was like, What just happened? Right? Like, you know, like, Where am I and what just happened. But if you kind of just do the study, eating the chocolate elephant, right, the elephant, you know, and with the idea of just cultivating the space for yourself, right? And I always, I use this line at work all the time that you gave me in terms of even coaching, right, or working with a teacher is that, you know, as like, Hey Mark, I’ll reach out to you, if I hit a wall or something you’re like, well, wouldn’t it be a better idea to like, I don’t know, kind of not hit the wall. Maybe just, you know, get some guidance, and just be like, Hey, hey, Brandon, there’s a wall up there. Don’t hit it. I like to say, you know, because, and again, we are so I think as as Americans, I would say hardwired to Yo, yo, I get it from my children, they’re still young, right? I can do this myself, right? Because we’ve asked them to do some things on their own, like, you know, we want you want you to be self sufficient, but we don’t want you to get hurt. Right. Right. And and so we, you know, it’s very difficult for us to ask for that help, or go to somebody to get that guidance, right. Because we’ve been taught that we’re supposed to kind of do this on our own. How do you How would you, you know, I imagine he would do it just like you told me like, well, maybe you don’t want to hit that wall, but like to somebody who’s not engaged in the space yet and wants to get there.

mark youngblood 24:40
Yeah, you know, I happen to think based on years of doing this work, you know, I did lots and lots of development, self development work by going to programs, like neuro linguistic programming, but then getting into shamanism and doing some really intensive work. shamanism and just different things like that. And over decades, I collected what works, at least what works for me. And kind of put it together, you can think of it like, you know, a cool toolkit or a medical kit. And, and you use the tool that’s appropriate for what needs to be changed in any moment. But I believe there’s four dimensions here that are vital to the journey, and you can’t leave any of them behind, or you’ll regret it. One of them is soul connection, is that it’s absolutely essential that you learn how to engage the soul in your journey, so that it will support you in that journey. And, in a real sense, do some of the clearing away of stuff for you, but will be your companion and you can get guidance from yourself. So that’s part one. And part two, is you have to be able to manage your thoughts, because we’re the CO creators of our reality. And our thoughts are going to play a huge role in what’s going to manifest for us. So being able to change your thoughts to learn how to not let the autopilot run things, but to stay in the driver’s seat is crucial. Third is emotional mastery. And this is not only do you not want to act out in the world in a way that damages relationships and, and that sort of thing, or, or suppress the emotions as a way to not act them out, you want to get in there and get rid of all the emotions that have been piling up since almost birth, because many of them are still there. And that’s leads to not only are they low vibration, and there’s some of the biggest boulders you need to move out, but they lead to inflammation in the body. And that leads up all the chronic diseases, and we’ve got an epidemic of chronic disease right now. And then the final is we’re energy beings, right. And as energy beings, we need to manage our energy body, just like we do our physical body. And you have to have hygiene, because we pick up each other’s energy and are you able to, to keep that heavy energy off of you. You know, it’s like, if you were to climb around the attic with a white outfit on, what’s it going to look like. And that’s what our world is like, and if you pick up everyone else’s heavy energy is going to bring your vibration down. But also we have vibrating frequencies, that are patterns in our energy body that are like magnets. And you can think of them as karma, you know, they’re the, they’re the unresolved patterns that are looking to be completed, they’re looking for the end. Like there’s this little musical tittie, that goes down that, again, it has an end to it. But if you went down after that, and stopped right there, there’s, there’s just this waiting and waiting and waiting for, you know, for it to finish. That’s the way these patterns are. And so they’ll stay there and keep attracting into your world. Everything you’re experiencing until you clear that pattern out and put patterns in place to manifest what you do want. So those are the four dimensions. It’s soul connection, mental mastery, emotional mastery, and energy mastery. And I think you need tools and all those dimensions, whether you get information you get them from, you know, any number of sources, is that you need to have those, you need to be able to do your own work to progress. So, I don’t know if that was a tangent or if that answered your question.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Well, I don’t know. I think that you know, for for sake of anything marketing wise, for dimensions that are vital. You know, that’s a headline right there. Totally using that. You know, as you lead into that, I was like, well, we need to know what this is. Right. So very good there. For sure. One of the questions I mean, I don’t know that I’ve ever noticed overly much in the groups or the workings that we’ve done together. As you as of a law of attraction kind of guy. Are you a law of attraction kind of guy? Or are you just kind of like, this is just how it works? I don’t call it law of attraction.

mark youngblood 29:14
Well, I mean, you can call it law of attraction, and because it is the way it works, and I don’t emphasize spending a lot of energy, trying to get the world to dance to your tune. I’ll spend a lot of energy on that. I did, I did early in my journey, you know, cuz it was kind of, you know, that shiny object exciting, right? It’s an appropriate part of most people’s journey to learn, hey, I can manage that stuff. And, and that’s totally cool. And it is cool. But it’s like, it’s like a, you know, a baby discovering they can talk, you know, but I mean, it’s our nature to talk. And it’s our nature to manifest and we’re, you’re already manifesting thing in your world, right? It’s just it’s not directed. It’s not intentional, right? And it’s disrupted by you know, a lot of the garbage that’s in the way of being able to bring in, you know, what would be a great life. But I would say my focus is on get clear about your life path, get clear about your life purpose, learn to tune in to guidance that shows you your path forward, and it’s going to open up for you. But part of getting there is your thoughts have to line up with that path. Right. And when you do, that’s not to say that you won’t have challenges, I promise you, you’ll have challenges. But it’ll feel right. You know, it feels like this is just the journey. But I bet you, Brandon, that you have had times when you weren’t on your path, that you had difficulties, and you knew something was wrong with the fact that you had those difficulties. Right.

Brandon Handley 30:54
So I mean, looking back and and even looking ahead and a right now, especially right as I think as we become more aware of this feeling of the sensation of you know, hey, I’m, I’m working towards this thing, and I’m putting way too much effort into it does that, you know, why am I putting this much effort into it? And is it on? Is it in alignment with my purpose and path? Right, and then we kind of take a look at it that way, you’re able to realize, oh, because it’s not in alignment with with anything that I truly believe in in life. I think that’s kind of what you’re getting at, right?

mark youngblood 31:31
Yes, that’s right. There’s a different feel to challenges when you’re on your path than when you’re off your path. And you know, you’re off your path.

Brandon Handley 31:39
100% I couldn’t agree more. I mean, again, spiritual dope is on my path. Yeah. Right.

mark youngblood 31:46
I can feel it in you.

Brandon Handley 31:47
Yeah. And, you know, it’s it very differently compared to the other two projects that I’ve spun up that were real similar, right. So those, that was a massive effort, massive, doing massive, like, ah, right, and, and, you know, the second one was less, and this one is even less, you know, more so, right. And there’s still moments to your point where I’ll be doing things I’m like, is this really is this necessary? Yeah. All this doing what I’m doing? And who’s this? Who or What is this? And even recognizing Who or What is this for? Is this for my ego? Right? It’s just for me, just to say, Hey, I just did this, and whatever. But, you know, I think one thing that I think I lost track of here in our conversation, this is all all been really, you know, great, great conversation, you know, so I want to go back to you being suffocated underneath of them, you know, your crashing moment? And how do we how do we, you know, move forward from that moment to integrate that awakening into the rest of your life and fulfilling life? Yeah.

mark youngblood 32:51
So so the question you’re asking that if someone right now is in that point, and they’re their breaking point, what do they do? Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 32:58
How do you move forward from there? And how do you Well, I think next up, you know, the

mark youngblood 33:02
thing I didn’t mention a while ago, and, and, and it’s crucial, really two pieces to in successful spiritual evolution. One of them is you have to have the tools to be able to do your work. But number two is you need a community. And I would say, to everyone out there, that the number one thing to do, even before you get tools, the number one thing is, is get with a spiritual community. Because that community is a space, it’s an energy, that when you tap into it, it’s going to lift you up. And this world, if you have to navigate it by yourself, there’s so much about it that is designed to cause you to go down and we call it the elevator, kind of go down the elevator to lower consciousness, and your community brings you back up your community lifts you up, and starts helping you see a vision for yourself that you never even saw for yourself before. And that’s part of you know, what I offer as well, I have a free community on Facebook and a common rating. So community and then one that you join in, it’s private, and it’s got a ton of content in it called salsa community. But that’s so you marry content with community and you’ve got a wonderful combination. And so, you know, I guess that’s my best advice is, is go get in a community and then start finding what are the tools and practices that I resonate with most that I will adopt and start using for myself because, you know, this is not about how anybody else fix you. This is not about having anyone else take responsibility for your journey. This is a fundamental thing that your journey is your job. And, and a lot of people don’t want it they they want someone to come do it for them. And and you’ll be waiting a long time. It just doesn’t work that way. You’ve got to be able to be the one sponsible

Brandon Handley 35:00
and that’s important, right? And I do love the community to definitely want to hit on the communities that that you’ve created. I would also, you know, I would also say to like, if you find a community, and it doesn’t, and it’s a spiritual community, and it doesn’t feel like a fit, leave, go find another one that feels like it’s a fit, because there are plenty of them out there, right? If you if you’re kind of in this space, and you’re like, I found a community, but I don’t feel like I’m in the right place, then you might not be and that’s okay. You might not be That’s right. One of the things that comes up a lot mark, I’d be curious to just kind of what your take is on it is that you see people who are often going through this process, and they feel like their relationship is hindering them from growing? And, and, you know, and it’s funny, because I initially struggled with this. But you know, I came pretty quick to terms to in my own relationship, and, you know, everybody’s relationships a little bit different. But, you know, it was like, Well, I’m not, we’re not growing at the same rate and pace. Right? You see that a lot? How do you address that to somebody that asks you,

mark youngblood 36:13
oh, my gosh, I’ve spent so much time thinking about that. You know, there’s, there’s a point at which the gap becomes so great that you’re operating from completely different worlds. And there’s almost no meeting in terms of making meaning of things, there’s no meeting of the mind that the meaning is fundamentally different. If the two people stay close enough, that they can synchronize their interpretation of things in the world, and then the path forward, so that you’re able you as the spiritual aspirant are able to continue to follow your guidance, you’re able to continue to walk your path, then that’s relationship that can continue to work. In my own personal opinion, speaking solely for myself, I believe that our number one job, you know, our number one purpose for being here is their spiritual journey. And if a relationship is holding you back, then it’s finished its job, it no longer serves you, it’s time to move on. Because there will be another one waiting for you, that is a partner that meets you where you are, and is ready to walk the path with you. And I had that happened to me divorced about 10 years ago. And it wasn’t a match. That’s all I’m gonna say. It wasn’t a match in terms of how we saw the world. And it was a big barrier for me to be able to move forward. And, and guidance, you know, I had several times where Spirit said, you work together as done, it was beautiful. It served its purpose, you know, it catapulted you on your journey. Congratulations, move on. And I fought and fought and fought until it ended up being a painful break. And right at that moment, a new woman came into my life, who happened to be my high school sweetheart, who had evolved tremendously in the 35 years since I’d seen her. And, and our journeys are perfect, you know, right, where her consciousness is, mine met hers. And we had been walking with spirituality at the center of our relationship ever since. And my consciousness has skyrocketed since that shift. So I’m only speaking for me. And there’s a lot of people with lots of family that are affected. And it has to be a personal choice. It has to be something you know that you get clear guidance on, what’s the right thing for you. And I always believe that, that the number one thing to do is if you get your own inner guidance, that’s your truth and follow it, no matter how painful it might be. Is that helpful?

Brandon Handley 39:04
It is helpful. It is helpful, right? Everybody’s journey is certainly their own. And you I guess one question that comes out of that, for me is, you know, why did you fight it to begin with? Right, what took Why did you know? Let’s talk a little bit about that fight.

mark youngblood 39:17
You know, I think I mentioned earlier that that we go through these plateaus, and we have these breakthroughs, okay. And this was a breakthrough for me, because I had I had tried to leave that marriage when my son was three years old. And I realized because we continue to go to counseling, and we were just separated. I hadn’t done my work that I was, is the least as big a part of the cause of what was going on is her contribution. And what’s the point of going somewhere else to ruin that relationship when I I could stay in this So I came back. And you know, and from that point on where we are married 21 years, so is there a long time. And believing meant going through that, again, leaving meant leaving my son who was a junior in high school, it meant going through the pain of a separation, it which is no picnic, and it wasn’t, you know, it was it was extremely difficult. And so I kept rationalizing it away, because it was that doing it would have been too painful. And spirit told me three distinctly clear times, move on, it’s, it’s time to go until there was a breaking point, something happened. And that was it. That was it couldn’t stay anymore. And it was certainly the right thing. But that’s what I would say, is that I was clinging to a smallness, you know, I was clinging to a smallness,

Brandon Handley 40:56
claim to a smaller thing, you know, as you were talking, just jot it down, like, you know, pain and fear, right? Like, who wants to go through all that? I mean, you know, like, you know, you’ve invested a lot of time, and energy, right, and believe that So,

mark youngblood 41:10
oh, friends, you got to remember, you know, you’ve built up 21 years of friendships and all that. And, you know, you have to everyone has to ask themselves, if the end of my life, what will have mattered, that I played small, and I didn’t upset people around me, or that I followed my truth. And I’m broke through and I would I had this massive shift in my consciousness. Yeah. And that’s something I think about all the time, there’ll be a point when we check out when not one thing on this planet is going to matter. Right? It’s kind of matter is the evolution that you achieved. Right, this spiritual evolution. Now,

Brandon Handley 41:49
that’s, that’s great. Thanks for sharing. I mean, I think that that’s, that’s really helpful for for people that, you know, who feel like they are kind of hindered by the things or you feel like they want to try and make it forward. And, you know, they, they, they’re suffering through a lot of the same stuff that you suffered, right, like the pain and the fear. And, you know, is, is something better on the other side of that, and for you something was right. And yeah,

mark youngblood 42:15
well, here’s what I would say to that, if you don’t mind me stepping in here, I don’t know is that when you say yes to your journey, Providence moves, that Spirit will come to you. And spirit will bring people it will bring the resources you need, it will bring the opportunities, it will support you and moving forward on your path.

Brandon Handley 42:38
Because it’s like that trust game, right? Where you fall backwards. And you know, I’m a big fan of Alan Watts, right? Where he, you know, he’s got that one, we’re just looking to trust the universe is another, right, and, you know, universe to be your friend. Let’s talk a little bit about that. And thanks for sharing, you know, kind of the journey into that space and kind of how to navigate going forward. Let’s talk a little bit about some of the programs that you’ve created. I know, you’ve got a couple books out there as well. Yeah, what did you know what is uh, you know, the program you’ve got coming up here. So Mark?

mark youngblood 43:12
Well, I would say the first thing people would want to explore would be the soul side community that is available for people to join. And, you know, you’re a member of that brain and you know, how magnificent You know, this experience is and, and how much evolution can come from it, and how much good can come from it. And when you join, you don’t just get to come into the community, and have, you know, all those people surrounding you and being supported and being able to show up now, let’s see more about that in a moment. But you’re also going to come in, you’re going to get some initial training for free. And initial training is the sole connection and divine guidance trainings, because job one remembering is to learn how to connect with yourself. So the very first thing you’re going to get when you come in is how to do that. And there’s I think there’s seven or eight lessons in that that are really powerful lessons, to in just a matter of a few weeks, achieving that goal for you, is to be able to have that connection. And to get that guidance, and the community itself. I provide content every week, you get some new information that will help you to learn and grow, provide new tools, new tips, we have group calls, zoom calls, that we get together and talk about a topic and everybody gets to share their point of view. And, and if you have questions about life, about your own situation about any of the training that you’re going through, then you can bring them up there and you’re going to get answered about one of the things you asked earlier. You know, and you’re making the comment that the people don’t ask for help because of this whole, you know, the strong you know, gotta be strong, do it yourself. But there’s another reason The other reason is the lack of safety. And that’s one of the things that community provides, is it is such a safe place, it’s utterly private, no one can see what’s happening in there. Everyone’s committed to everyone else, no one gets invalidated, nobody gets shamed, that you can say anything you need to say. And then people are baring their souls about crises that they’re having. And Kim, you know, helped me have the strength to move through it. You know, we don’t, we don’t fix it for anybody, what we do is support you in having the strength and, and knowing how to do it for yourself. And that’s one of the great beauties of this, as most people, most people never had a relationship. So honest, you know, so open, and so willing to be seen, and, and for others to be gentle, when you are trying to be seen. And it’s about kind of the messiness in your life. Right.

Brandon Handley 46:00
Absolutely. Real Humpty Dumpty stuff, right, like I fall down and all the king’s men Couldn’t put back together again, but like, you know, it is it is I love the idea of not fixing it for you. Right, I think helping others to fix it themselves with with the support of the community. Yes. Right. And not only, you know, with the supportive community, but with with some new tools, and not just with new tools. But hey, here’s how to apply these tools. Yes, what you offering do a really wonderful job. And one of the things that I like I love about what you put out there, and the support that you offer, and the community offers is patience. Right, right. And it takes it takes patience, because sometimes people like myself, you know, for example, they always get it right the first time. I know, that comes this sounds crazy. But you know, and so, you know, you work with it through to a solution for people. And another thing that you you offer offer, often that I see posts is you asked for prayers for people, right? Yes, I love that you do that. Right. So I think that that’s something that’s kind of underestimated the power of prayer, or we, you know, good vibes, or whatever you need to call it right, you know, I let’s all send like, you know, concentrated thought of good thought and healing towards this one space. And so, I enjoy that you do that? I don’t think I’ve ever shared that with you before. So, you know, I think that that’s a real powerful tool that you’re helping others to see for themselves. Yeah, one of the other tools that you you’ve given a couple of free transformational coaches assessments to me personally, yeah, I found them to be I was just thinking about it earlier. So the, the work that you do is so surgical. Right. But it’s, you know, when you think about it word for it really is though, is surgical, like and, you know, not like, you know, I’m a barber from the 1800s surgical, but like laser surgery, and where it doesn’t feel like I’m being you know, beaten and battered to our conversation, there’s a there’s a true, it’s not invasive, and I come out of it. And like, there’s like this, this is, you know, just amazing feeling. So I think that, you know, that’s, that’s awesome. And you share those with people through the group as well. The right wanted to, you know, once you just really quick, let’s walk through doing like, you know, I love the kind of the clearing the energy thing, walk, walk, walk us through, you know, we kind of do the cyclone process, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

mark youngblood 48:44
So, this would be a great thing, that’s a tool you can everyone can begin using right away. And it’s the idea that our energy body, you know, it interacts at an energetic level with everything and everyone, and we pick up other people’s energy, we also kind of off gassing our own negative energy. And if you ever saw the movie peanuts, and the little boy that walked on and, and dust just fell off them, that’s, that’s what our energy bodies look like, they’re really generally dirty. But there’s a very simple technique that gives you two versions of it, that you can use to clean this out and wash it out. And one of them is just thinking, imagining a white waterfall, you’re, you’re standing on a waterfall of white sparkling light, that’s washing down through every part of your energy field all the way out to the edges of your RF through every cell of your body, washing any loose or negative energy negative, and then a kind of evil way but negative in a heavy vibration way. So it’s washing this energy out and just visualize that and you can almost imagine water, this clean water coming in and then it gets dirty as it as it flushes this out. And you’ll you’ll start to have sensations you’ll feel lighter, cooler, often. So that’s the white waterfall, and a more powerful version. But different people respond to different forms of this is to imagine like a whirlwind like a tornado, that is a brilliant white light starting 30 feet above your head, coming down to the center of your body and out larger than your whole energy field, sweeping out that that heavy energy sweeping out the cells of your body, and then carrying that down 30 feet in the earth, and it deposits it there because there’s beings that will consume consume that energy, because it’s just, it’s just heavy energy. It’s nothing bad or toxic or bad. It’s just heavy, and you want it out of your field.

Brandon Handley 50:42
Now, thanks for sharing that. And I always find that to be I always find that process to be super helpful, right? It’s just yeah, helps me feel lighter, brighter, like, I’ve just been Clorox or something.

mark youngblood 50:56
Well, and you want to do it many times a day. Anytime you’ve gone out, and you’ve been around people, before you go to bed, it’ll help you sleep when you first get up. You know, you had a lot of people when they’re taking a shower, it’s a good reminder, I’m in the shower, let me just do a white waterfall on in the shower. And I call it energy hygiene. Yeah. And you keep your energy clean, just like you do your body. It’s one of many tools that are important. Like

Brandon Handley 51:22
something else you you hit on during that that I know that I’ve been personally struggling with is that when you think about the idea of you talks about kind of washing this energy away, or getting you know the cyclone to deposit this other energy. Yeah, and using the word negative simply because we don’t have a better term for it. But But what you’re saying, and I’m hearing, and it’s great for me, because I’ve always been like, well, I just want to be like all positive energy. So I’m gonna breathing positive, and I’m gonna read out positive and I’m not trying to bring any detriment to anybody anywhere. I’m gonna say it’s the idea is the idea of, you know, that energy, the may not be benefiting me may be benefiting something somewhere else. I like to thank you. Yes, that’s very helpful. Yeah, like, I’m

mark youngblood 52:20
okay. Right. It’s just, it’s just frequencies, right? Maybe we should call heavy because it’s heavy, this heavy energy that you want.

Brandon Handley 52:31
Yeah, yeah, no, and that’s helpful, right? Just the idea of, of, of that, which isn’t serving me may serve something or someone else. And in a positive, beneficial manner,

mark youngblood 52:44
right. By the way, one final thought on this is I may, is, every time you do any sort of healing work, energy work, meditation, yoga, you want to do one of those waterfalls, or whirlwinds. Because you’re breaking up at least little bits of energy. And if you don’t flush them out, they’ll congeal onto the structures of your energy body, and it’s still heavy. Yeah, getting there. So so just clean it out and let it go. And that’s how your vibration pops up and up and up and up. And you can imagine, you know, doing that, in the eating the chocolate elephant form of doing healing techniques, fleshing that out, how it just gets lighter, and lighter and lighter, and all of a sudden, you start to be intuitive. All of a sudden, you start to understand things, all of a sudden, you have greater emotional control, because more of your light is shining out. And you’re not having to try as hard anymore, to be a more magnificent, radiant person. That’s how it works.

Brandon Handley 53:43
It’s great. And thanks again, Mark. I mean, this is I actually I want to hit on one more thing is, is your book The the emotional mastery, but it wasn’t the emotional mastery of the book that you share with me. I wanted to mention that book real quick to people as a tool that Mark has craves, really, really well done. And I think that that’s another space that men in America, especially shy away from, right is dealing with their emotions. Yeah. So this job, maybe a five minute segment on how the how to start that work as a guy, right? Yeah, show mastery. Yeah.

mark youngblood 54:23
Oh, my gosh. You know, it’s interesting that you bring that up. You know, I’ve got to two communities. And the ratio of women to men is about 75 to 80% women, and they’re balanced as men. And we needed 5050 we need a lot more men to get on board with it. But the book is called dear human, mastering your emotions, dear human master your emotions, and I have a bunch of tools in there. That’s a really great book. And you know this brand and but I don’t think this audience is hurt yet. In the other part of my world I’m an executive coach, I work with CEOs and corporations and their teams, their senior team on how to be exceptional leaders. That’s your long program, one on one work, very intensive, and it’s all about consciousness. And these people brain And to your point, they’ll do an assessment and assessment comes in and goes, your emotions are shut down. And so a big part of the work is to get them to, you know, reclaim their emotions reclaim their body. And and also to not let those emotions run them. And to be we call it the pilot or autopilot who’s in charge here. Is your reactivity, your autopilot, and subconscious reactions running things, or is your pilot staying in charge? And then how are you going about that? So we teach tools for that we teach tools for this inner self mastery. And, and that’s one thing that men can relate to, you know, if you give them an analytical process that they can see where simple,

Brandon Handley 56:05
yeah, we’re simple creatures, we like pictures and things you can see, you know, you know, just tell me a map, and I’ll follow it.

mark youngblood 56:13
So here’s what I do I teach these tools, I have a tool called during the pain, that when you’re triggered, it’s a quick visualization to release the emotional energy may affect anyone who joins my email, this gets that immediately. give that away. That’s one of those must have tools. And so it’s a way that when you lose the charge, your head clears up, and you’re able to make better choices. But then there’s also, you know, how do you let go of insecurities and he clear those out? You know, how do you? How do you clear out old resentments? You know, what are the practices for that? So, one of the things I have found, as a motivator for men, I believe that was your question is how do we get men moving? What do you care about? Do you care about having a better marriage? Do you care about a better career? Do you care about being a better leader? What’s the goal that would make doing this work worth it for you? Because that’s what I do with my executive coaches to say, I mean, my executive clients, when I’m coaching them, what’s, what do you want to have happen? Well, I want to be able to be a CEO one of these days that, you know, I want to be able to lead this company and really have it grow, I want to have a huge impact on the lives of the people that work for me, awesome. Here’s what you have to do to get there. You know, so you can think of it like a Trojan horse, the Trojan horse, is the goal they want, you know, it’s the big shiny thing. And inside is the thing that delivers it, okay. And that’s transformation. That’s the raising of your consciousness, learning how to master your emotions and, and elevating how you see and interpret the world.

Brandon Handley 57:50
That’s powerful. Right? So I mean, essentially, you know, what I’m hearing you say is, you know, give them something to make the transformation worth it, right, be like, you know, help them to identify, you know, alright, well, hey, this, this, this massive goal for you in your life that you would like to get to? Well, guess what, the one thing that’s keeping you out of, from that space is everything that you’ve ignored for the past.

Unknown Speaker 58:17
You’ve done

Brandon Handley 58:18
really well with, you know, you got good grades, you did the right things, and you climbed the right ladders for right here, right now, where you’re at, you’ve got to address the shit that you haven’t addressed. My life. And, and, and it’s important to write and I think one of the things that I always hit on when I talk with some of my clients, or even just conversations is that, again, especially as men, and I’m sure there’s plenty of women out there, too, like, we’ve been told to shut we feel like we were taught to shut down our emotions. And so we don’t even have the the tools. Yeah, to to identify them. And and that’s that that doubles the frustration too, right? We’re like, wow, what am I feeling? Like? I don’t know what it is. Is it anger, frustration is all the things and just gonna lash out? Because you have no way if you don’t know what it is, how can you?

mark youngblood 59:16
That’s exactly right. And I was raised in a spare the rod spoil the child household. And my father was pretty extreme in his punishment. And then, you know, after he’d beaten us, he would say, Stop crying, or I’m going to give you another reason to cry. And so we just weren’t allowed to cry. I mean, I’m sure you’ve heard that story from other men. Yeah. And of course, their peers shall not simply show any sort of weakness and nothing worse than to be a boy called sissy. So sadly, now, I think it’s changing. You know, it’s changing. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 59:50
would say it’s changing. It doesn’t it doesn’t, you know, it’s, we’re definitely at the changing of the guard, right. We’ve got, we’ve got the boomers that you know, kind We still are holding on to, to that as we’ve got. And I hesitate to call it like an evil society or anything like that. Because again, you know, yeah, I think that each generation serves its purpose. Yeah. move us forward. Right.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:16
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Brandon Handley 1:00:18
So to your point that I believe, that I see changing, could it also be that I’m so saturated in this space? That that’s all I’m tuned to? I don’t know, I’m okay with either one of those two, though, to be honest with you, right. So, in order to address some of this emotional mastery do do check out, first of all, the book that Mark has mentioned, I think that that I think that’s very helpful and beneficial. And then, you know, if, if you’re looking to join the community, where should we send people mark to go ahead and join the communities? Yeah,

mark youngblood 1:00:57
so there’s a free community that I’m in periodically, because I’m finished so much time and salsa community, it’s, it’s called the radiant soul community on Facebook, and you can just search for it. And it’s free, and you can join, that’s a public community. So it, you know, it’s lovely, but it isn’t the place you go to actually tell the truth and do your work, because it’s public. But to join the soul side community, here’s the link, and I’m going to read it to you. It’s go, like the word go dot pathway to radiants.com. Ford slash soul site. So it’s go dot pathway to radiants.com, slash Ford slash salsa. And you’ll go to a page that describes what all you get in the community. And you’ll see some videos where I’ve talked to you about it. And it’s got a, you know, if you get the money back guarantee, you know, there and it’s a 30 days free, so you get to trial for 30 days. And and once you join, you can quit at any time. And and so, you know, what’s, you know, what’s the risk, right? And you get to keep the training,

Brandon Handley 1:02:18
right, I love it, who is who do you think is an ideal fit for this program?

mark youngblood 1:02:26
I think the ideal fit are the people who are starting their journey. And the people, so beginner to intermediate, I do have training for advanced, it won’t be there probably for another year. But for right now, if you’re beginner to intermediate, and you’re wanting support to really accelerate the transformation of your life, to raise your vibrational frequency to evolve your consciousness. And in doing that transform your world for the better. If you’re hungry for that, then this is the place we’re going to support you in that, we’re going to give you the tools to be able to heal and to and to let go of the stuff that’s blocking your soul light from shining. And, and you’ll, you’ll see dramatic changes and even a year, you know, you’ll see dramatic changes in a year.

Brandon Handley 1:03:24
So I’m gonna, I’m gonna just jump in here to and share that I believe that what one of the things that I really enjoy about your community and the materials that you’ve created to help accelerate the journey, or even facilitate the journey, right, not even necessarily accelerate, it could be there. But it’s in a world where there’s a lot of Whoo, which I enjoy the hell out of it. Right. I enjoy that content. And in and in the world of, you know, just corporate, you know, follow these rules, lines, and whatever you’ve created what I would, I would, I would, I would say a happy medium. Yeah. Right. Which which, which allows for anybody in off the streets to come in into a space where, you know, you’re not gonna nobody’s gonna shove CBD oils in your face. And, you know, you’re not gonna get like, I hit a pothole you as soon as you step in, and you can have real honest conversations. There’s some other groups that I’m in to where, and I’ll not say they’re not right or true or anything, but there’s something they’re not for me, really, they’re talking about, like, Oh, I was possessed by a demon. And then they go off on these, like, there’s none of that, which makes me feel more comfortable because I feel like I’m surrounded by normal people. Yeah. normal life who are on their journey, right. And so, so no, that’s

mark youngblood 1:04:49
that’s such a great point. Yeah. Thank you for calling that out. And I think I’m an everyday guy, you know, somebody who can sit down and look eye to eye with the CEO and talk to him. About how to run this business, and also someone who can guide you on a shamanic journey. You know, it’s about grounding it. You know, to me, it’s all about, can I use it to live a better life? Can I use it to bring more light into the world? Can I use this predictably to evolve my consciousness? And that’s what I care about, you know, and that’s, I think, what you were pointing out and what you’re describing

Brandon Handley 1:05:25
now 100% Exactly. So Mark, thanks for being on today. We can go over to I scroll all the way up to the top we go go that pathway to radiants calm soul side if this is a program that appeals to you, Mark and you’d mentioned a email program to His will. What if they just want to join your email list? How would they do that?

mark youngblood 1:05:50
Yeah, so to join my email list, you want to go to drain the pain calm drain just like the drain in the sink, drain the pain.com and you’ll see some information there you just sign up and and you’ll you’ll get a bunch of really great stuff right away including the drain the paint at me. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:06:12
I’m just gonna you know keep piling on the the love for Mark and the tools that he’s given here during the pain technique is really awesome. super beneficial. That was in one of our we did that one of our sessions. Together, you walk you through it, and I just did the amazing, just just amazing techniques and you’re going and you can’t sort of stuff you can’t describe as this the stuff you’ve kind of got to experience for yourself and go through it. But so for a few of you listened and you’ve made it all the way to the end here today. Head on over to drain the pain and check it out and you know, reach out to mark for some of these other awesome communities. Thanks again,

mark youngblood 1:06:48
Mark. All right. Thank you, Brian has been just an absolute pleasure.

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Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself? Do you feel that you’re capable of way more than you’re doing? You’re doing a lot, but nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set rules for yourself and believe that you can do it.

In this episode, Rick Thompson talks about his book and how he helps people become the best versions of themselves. He discusses the subconscious mind and how important it is to accept things and envision the future.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about bringing the best out of you and setting rules and goals to be glorious. 

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways your subconscious mind works and learn it to put it to the best use. 
  2. Discover the importance of setting rules and believing in what you can do.
  3. Learn the significance of goals and envision the best for yourself. 

Episode Highlights

[01:10] Gifts of God

  • You’re given everything. All you have to do is accept.
  • Rick talks about the first half of his book and talks about how our thoughts put imagery in the world and have the energy to co-create.
  • Rick shares his story of being in heaven with a huge box. He continues by talking about how he got where he is today.
  • Rick shares his experience of losing his wife and how he learned to cherish things.

[08:08] Envisioning and Searching

  • He continues to talk about how he dealt with his life’s demise and found a vision and a mission.
  • If you put thought and effort into something, you can achieve it. 
  • The future is what we believe it to be.
  • If you want something special, you have got to believe in it, in such a way that it exists for you.

[14:23] The Subconscious mind 

  • You have got to release and get rid of the negative energy. The things that are made for you will come to you.
  • It’s about flowing with the river but paddling gently in the right direction. 
  • You have to put thought and energy into life when you are contemptuous. 
  • Rick talks about his life after his wife passed away and wanted to find a motive and was looking for contempt. 
  • Someone thought of the world, and it was created because everything is a wave until it is created.

[18:53] Managing and Exploring Life

  • You don’t gotta go to work; you get to go to work. You don’t gotta get up; you get to get up.
  • Rick talks about how everyone is in a different arena and helps them open up to it to gain everything possible.
  • If we help each other become better, the world becomes a better place one step at a time.

[21:24] Imparting Knowledge and Setting Rules

  • Rick talks about his children and grandchildren and how he works on imparting knowledge to them.
  • If you have focused thinking while doing something, you will get good results.
  • You need to have a specific set of achievable rules, bring you happiness, and be realistic. If you are miserable, it’s because your rules don’t align with your life. 
  • Words are compelling.
  • You are what you say you are. 

[28:45] I am

  • When you say “I am,” your subconsciousness knows what it is, and it just connects.
  •  Some things are so well taught that we don’t even realize that we are doing it.
  • Your kids reflect exactly who you are without any filters.

[32:37] Dismantling Logic and Reason

  • You should figure out what makes you feel bad, listen to what other people say, too, review your rules and feel what is true inside you and get it in alignment.
  • Rick talks about how he likes to unfold and his favorite music and its influence on our life.
  • There is always good and bad, but we do have a choice. 
  • Rick talks about his favorite mantra of Ho’oponopono and the story behind it. 

[41:00] The Journey

  • Rick talks about how happy he is with life and feels like he has lived to the fullest, but life goals are always ongoing. 
  • It’s not the trip; it’s the journey.
  • Ricks discusses his book and the calling he had to pen it down. 
  • We all have feelings, and if we listen to them, they guide us in the right direction. 

5 Powerful Quotes from the Episode

“Pain is a pathway to the divine.”

“What you believe in, as if it has already happened, will be yours.”

“It’s hardest to see your own self.”

“You can’t make everyone happy.”

“If you are not loving yourself, who is going to love you.”

About Rick

Rick is an engineer, businessman, and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is the CEO in the cement and steel industry and is recognized as the leading authority. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, accessing requirements, and solving problems on and off the work field. His latest book helps you tap deep into yourself and discover the quantum realms.

https://www.thequantummindset.com/

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
So 54321 Hey, their spiritual dope, man, I always I always say my name and Brandon Handley here. I can’t, I can’t help but say, Hey, it’s me here. I’m back again. I’m here with Rick Thompson, who’s an engineer, businessman and investor based in Seattle, Washington. He is a CEO in the cement and steel industry is recognized as the leading authority on post tensioning procedures working with big tech clients such as Microsoft and Google. Rick has been infatuated with science, math and the workings of the world since childhood. He is highly skilled at defining objectives, assessing requirements and resolving problems on and off the word field. His practical approach to business life and science is what makes his recent book very special and adjustable to the average reader. His book, his guide has guided programs and will provide you with tested nuts and bolts methods for entering the quantum mindset and tapping the heightened tools for manifesting your deepest dreams. And, Rick, thanks for being on the show today.

Rick Thompson 1:01
Thanks for having me. It’s always an honor and pleasure to share with others,

Brandon Handley 1:05
our present so I love to start this off with the whole idea that you know, your god man, that, you know, we are we are vessels for the creative energies of flow through the universe, and that you and I are connecting through this medium through this amplification through the podcast, with at least one specific person that’s going to catch a message that can only be delivered through you today. In this instance, true source. What does that messager

Rick Thompson 1:35
well, that you’re given everything and all you have to do is accept?

Unknown Speaker 1:42
Yeah, well,

Brandon Handley 1:42
I mean, let’s expand on that, right? I mean, I mean, I think that’s gonna be a big part of the conversation, where, you know, if I’m out there, and I’m like, Hey, man, I want everything How come was not here?

Rick Thompson 1:55
Well, that’s what the book comes, I go through, you know, the first part of my book really tells the physics behind it, until cell particle doesn’t really become a particle until it’s observed. So through many of the things like, they have this water crystal, that when they put positive energy on it, it turns to beautiful crystals. And when you put negative energy on it, and they have these different tests, even with the plant, they can kind of do these things and measure that reaction. So our thoughts in itself put energy into the world. And we have the power to So speak cocreate, because our energy is creating part of the world in front of us, you know, there’s all these other things that have been created before or by others, but we have the ability with our energy to kind of trade what we want. And to me, I have a story I like to tell, can is, puts this perspective helped me to learn that when you go to heaven with you is a giant golden box. And on that box is your name. And you get up there and you see it and go, Wow, this box is beautiful. And I wonder what’s in it and finding us what’s in this box. And they says, Well, normally we don’t tell people what’s in the box. But you ask, and it’s your box. So they open it up. And in it is all the gifts that God gave you that you did not accept. And so, you know, it’s the truth that like the sunshine shining on your world, given everything, we just have to accept the gifts that he gives us. All of this go around telling us how unworthy we are and how we don’t deserve and when smart enough. And you know, that’s just the negative or whatever power, you want to call it on the other side, kind of drag a spout away from all the beautiful things that life has given us and makes possible for us.

Brandon Handley 3:39
Now love that. So you’ve got you’ve got quite a quite a few things in there. I heard that story heard you tell that story a little earlier. And I really enjoyed the first time I’ve heard it definitely, definitely made me you know, stop and pause and think about what gifts survive, you know, kind of rejected. And then you’ve also got the route that’s the particle particles could be a wave or a particle, right until you observe it. Right? That’s the that’s the physics piece that you’re talking to. And then you’re also talking about Mr. He was a more a motto, right? The Japanese water experiment that was done. And I think that those are all awesome examples, right of physics. And then, you know, also the power of the mind. I think a question that comes to my mind is one of the same ones that I have for myself, like, what were some of the gifts that you were not receiving? That you recognize that that you actually had a gift for? I believe, I believe one of the stories I heard was that you were told that you were slow and that you had a learning disability and that you were a dreamer. But here you are today. You know being being this being this catalyst in the world that you are today. How did you how did you come upon that?

Rick Thompson 4:52
like to say you live life, and it’s for me, it’s like what didn’t happen overnight. But that’s it. Child, you know, my father left me when I was very young, and I never saw him again. You know, my mom had to raise me and she did remarried, and she remarried a great kid guy. And, you know, you can say, that’s the happiest day of, you know, my dad left, he gave me $1. And it made me really happy me and my sister both got a dog because dad can have any piece of candy. We’re very young. And it’s just, you know, it was so much to me as a little kid, that it was really excited. But that’s also the last time I ever saw. So I remembered as a happy moment. But you know, it’s kind of sad, because I never saw him again. So, to me, that’s a gift. I was given a happy moment to remember my father by at the last moment, even though it’s a breakout, and the things he went through and the suffering he had to do, because he wasn’t there, I didn’t have to suffer through I had a very good life. And because I was kind of feel rejected as a child, I think that’s why I got branded kind of the way I did. But as I read and learned and grew, you know, I and I learned to understand what was going around me and realize that I wasn’t. And I started applying those applications in life. Like, when I was in junior high, I decided I wanted to set a track record. And one of the things I did is I just envisioned it and said it. And I actually made bets with everybody the year before, saying that’s what I was going to do. And the next year I did it, and Matter of fact, I did it way above what I had ever expected. And so kind of helped me to find that what you believe in, you can make happen. And I had a very, I had a great life, you know, I was married and had children’s and a nice house. And I wasn’t super rich, but I definitely wasn’t poor. I lived what I would consider a good life. And that life was so good that it’s like what do you do to make a better life, I was happy. I was loved. I lived where I wanted. But 10 years ago, my wife passed away. And when she passed away, it created this terrible pain. And of course, the question is always why God mean. And I dealt with that for a while and started searching the world out. And instead of complaining about what was taken from me, I found that it was more important to cherish what was given. Because my wife taught me how to love and be a really good man and taught me so much. And she was so kind and generous. And I don’t know why things happen. But if I try to explain them, I just go crazy. But I do know, by changing my perspective from meaning me, why am I suffering to the gifts I got and what I can do for others, it allowed me to, you know, rebuild a new line to help others. And I do it in her name, kinda, you know, in her memory and her kindness and loving me, I help others and try to be the best man I can and just grow a little bit each day to be a better man. And those experiences are the kind of gifts that you know, when they happen, you think they’re not a gift, but when you look back at him, and look at both sides, you know, through your entire life, they turn out a gift that really makes you the person you want today.

Brandon Handley 8:24
So that’s, you’ve got your gifts that you were given, right? I mean, you do you go all the way back to the last time you saw your father, you know, I kind of jotted down, you know, this would be a story, right? Where you asked for a penny and you got $1, right, you asked and you receive but like, you know, maximum amount. And how there’s also you can look at that as a happy moment and and a sad moment, right. And then you have the other part that you talked about there was setting the track record and envisioning that what’s kind of funny is a real similar story that and that’s what’s one of my anchor points to to kind of recognizing the achievements I was like, first or second grade, though, and I ended up being like the fastest kid right, but like just kind of coming back and envisioning that like seeing yourself doing it and living it right. And, and then, you know, you’ve also got like this kind of this life that you’re living that you love, and how could it be any better and then and then your wife passes away. And that and that was like the you know, silence me to like, you know her again, listen to another one of your podcasts. I was like, No, she was true love to you. Right? That means a big big part of your life and you are in a you’re in a lot of pain and I love this line. There’s a person I listen to Sarah blonde and and she’s got this. This meditation is called, you know, pain is a gateway to divine and it sounds kind of like it that’s what it that’s what it did for you. It opened up a pathway to the divine for you. Is that what you were searching for? right because you said you kind of went out there searching. You were your why God me And were you searching for like, why are you in pain were you searching for? What was it you were searching for? In that moment? I’m just curious enough.

Rick Thompson 10:10
I was kind of searching is why am I hearing? What should I do? If I’m going to, you know, wrong to hurt yourself? So I can’t do that, because that would be a sin. In my rules anyway. And then, so I say, Well, if I’m gonna be here, then why? And what can I do to make it what you want, but you need what there is for me and the world. And so that’s kind of why I wrote the book, because I wrote some books. So I hope I can get other people to realize that if you put the thought and effort towards what you want, you can achieve it. You know, we’re all given everything to me. And if you put the action and the proper thought towards it, you will be given those things. I know, when I started doing it, after my wife passed away, I believe that will just give me everything. I, you know, work and my brain chemistry. And, you know, when I had that positive attitude, and I really protection for us, and it’s just like, whatever any kind of showed up. So I felt very blessed. Today, I feel extremely blessed. Right, this very building, it’s not like, there is a more, but it’s not like, I don’t have enough you.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Right? I mean, you get to you get to a great point. You know, but again, to so it looks like looks like sounds like what it was like, you know, why am I here? Right? What you’re searching for meaning, you know, I mean to, you know, Man’s Search for Meaning Viktor Frankl, right? Like, what are you? You’re searching, right? You know, what, if you’re going to take away the things that the, you know, what was making my life so great, then why am I here and kind of searching for purpose is kind of what I’m hearing. And then you’re talking about, you know, the idea of, you know, kind of thinking and taking action. But what about the effort and effort doesn’t have to be like this extreme effort to have to really try superduper hard and like all my waking hours does that need to be? Is that how we get things? Or how, you know, what is your recommendation in regards to that?

Rick Thompson 12:19
Well, I think it’s more, there’s a conscious mind and its subconscious mind. And the conscious mind thinks, and it can think about stuff, but it takes a ton of energy and your body’s chance to physically try to reduce energy. So it will use everything in the lower levels again, so you, they tell you, like 10% of your brain, you only use 10% in your brain. But the truth is, you’re only using 10% of it consciously, you’re using 90% of it, subconsciously. So what really creates a future for us is what we totally believe. And it kind of says in the Bible, what you believe in as if it’s already happened, will be yours. So that belief is a subconscious belief, not a conscious belief. It’s when you automatically throw the football and it goes through where you want, you didn’t think about it, it just happened. And the same thing goes for things you want in your life. If you want something special, or you you got to believe in it in such a way that it exists for you. You can see it in people that have been successful. It’s like, Man, that guy just goes through life, he doesn’t put any effort into it. And it just all happens for him. That’s the way it needs to work. Because if you believe 1% subconscious, then you’re putting very little energy into it. But if you’re thinking about it and trying to force it, then it doesn’t really come to you. So that’s why people say, I put all this thought and energy into it. But you just can’t pound it in you got to kind of like, be in the wave and float with it. And it’s got to come from a subconscious level not a conscious level.

Brandon Handley 13:56
Yeah, and I’ve definitely seen this show up in my life. And I guess a couple questions I would have would be you know, do you feel like you are doing it? Or do you feel like the creation, the experience is happening through you and for you. And you know, just kind of curious on your take on that.

Rick Thompson 14:18
I feel like it’s happening, too. And for me, it’s just you’re going with the flow. I think that negative energy like bad thoughts are the things that hold you back. And the main thing you got to do is kind of forgive and get rid of the negative energy. And when you can just release and let go and you become part of the the universe the world whatever God however you want to describe it. Then it just flows with it and the things you’re supposed to do and the things that are supposed to happen come to you and you have choice, kind of but you know you’re kind of set for a path you’re given powers and those ones that you enjoy are the ones you set to do your stuff. We are getting There’s a choice between what we want to do. And when you’re choosing the things that you’re best at, you’re the most happiest. So I feel like it’s letting loose and accepting the flow of the river, but paddling gently in the right direction.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So, you know, where do you feel like you first saw this happening for you in your life and began to accept it?

Rick Thompson 15:31
Well, I thought at a younger age and started to accept it, but I saw it the most after my wife died, because I put more mental energy into it. One of the things I found that, you know, can’t contentment, you don’t have to put much thought into life, or energy into life if you’re totally content. And when I was married, with my wife, and my family and kids eyes, I had a good job, I had a happy life I was loved. I was very content. And I didn’t have any need to really find a change. But then when my wife died, I had pain and suffering, and I was not content. And through that, I put a lot of effort. And because I opened my eyes and looked more, I saw things I never saw before.

Brandon Handley 16:20
Yeah, I mean, what what an example of the some of the things that you you saw that you weren’t able to see before?

Unknown Speaker 16:27
Well,

Rick Thompson 16:30
I just went to other people, and I saw people able to do things, you know, I saw people that could, I saw a guy that could look at somebody’s eyes and a picture and tell what they’re thinking, I saw people that spiritually came up to me and talked to me about my wife, and I just traveled around and I read books, I started becoming more thirsty for knowledge, because I wanted to find what it was. So I read books, and I put them together and tried to see how they fit. And then I asked different questions like what makes a man happy and successful. And I looked at those, and when I saw them, you know, I saw the spirit, spiritual world kind of open up, or we’re all connected, we’re all connected. You know, through quantum physics, if you want to think like, somebody thought of the world, and it was created, because everything’s a wave until it’s graded. Well, the person is better the world and everything was God, he thought of it. And then he was all created. And they say, the world is created in seven days. If you stand on the event horizon, and look at the creation of the universe, it would look like seven days standing there at that point. So it is possible from his perspective, that the world was really created in seven days, in our perspective, it’s not from his it could be and I just found things like that. And other people scientist, I, you know, we’re interested in when they search and try to find, you know, what puts together universe they all end up turning to God, say, there’s a creator that created everything.

Brandon Handley 18:12
Right, the I love that perspective of, you know, kind of standing on event horizon and seeing, you know, in seven days, kind of everything being created, that’s a really cool visual.

Unknown Speaker 18:26
It’s pretty cool visual. So

Brandon Handley 18:27
when, you know, so you’re in a steel cement business, right? You know, I don’t hear too many people kind of getting into this, in the steel, cement business, you know, you’re CEO of your business, and you know, how how, you know, encouraging your, your, and you’re out there right to like, what I mean by that is, you’re putting your books out there, you’re talking about this stuff. I mean, so how is this showing up in your business?

Rick Thompson 18:54
I meet several people that work for me, and I try to teach them those ways, and help them to look at the world differently. You know, one of the things I love to tell people each day is you don’t got to go to work and get to go to work, you don’t got to get up, you get to get out. You know, it’s all a matter of perspective, how you look at it, I get to do everything I do all day long. I don’t have to, if I truly didn’t want to I can say I’m not going to do that. But I’m electing to so instead of saying I have to, I like to say I get to and I teach people those kind of things one step at a time and see where they’re at in life and try to help them because everybody’s in a different arena and try to open up the world to them. So they’ll know that anything for them they want as possible.

Brandon Handley 19:40
Have you had Have you had people you know and underneath kind of like your tutelage at the company, who’ve really been able to take to this and shine and really apply it.

Rick Thompson 19:55
Well, I don’t have a very big company, but I think they all take to it and shine with it a little bit. That’s what I like to believe in my heart. You know, I always say it’s hard to see your own cell. But what I see is people are taking it in their life to become better. I’ve had several people say that it has changed their life. So I’m very grateful I, like I said, you know, we help each other become better, and the world becomes a better place one step at a time. I’m not looking for any glory or anything, but I’d sure like to see the world become a better place each day, just like I’d like to grow a bit each day. And by helping others having a better attitude, you make the world better, and they help others and so on, and so on, and so on. And

Brandon Handley 20:35
that’s great deed and your, your, your children to write How many children do you have?

Rick Thompson 20:41
I have? Well, I’m remarried. So I have to buy my first wife, and three by my second wife. So we have five children and four grandchildren. And my daughter has two and she has two. So I have my children.

Brandon Handley 21:00
Uh, thanks for not making me do the math, uh, the the, you know, so the idea of really is as a parent, right now, as a grandparent, how are you trying to impart this to your children in such a way that I can tell you right, when I first kind of had some of these moments, and first had some realizations, I’m, you know, trying to stop it, and my, you know, my kids are kind of young, but like, just making sure that they’re exposed to it. So that, to your point, right, that you don’t have to wait till later in life. To learn this stuff, right? The sooner that you learn it, the sooner you can apply it, and hopefully, you know, how you don’t have to suffer through some of the shenanigans? I did. Right? Or, you know, that’s what we’d like to impart. Right? So have you know, what’s it like sharing it with your children? And what are they? What are they?

Unknown Speaker 21:51
What are they doing with it? Well,

Rick Thompson 21:53
they’re very grateful, they’re good to me, I love my children, they love me back, I feel very grateful. They’re using it to help their lifes grow, and envision what they wanted a life and have a great family and, you know, see what they would like to receive. The grandkids are at a young age, the way I work with them is I just spend time with them, I spend as much time with them as I can. And when I see the opportunity to teach them something and they’re listening, then I try to grab hold of that opportunity. I don’t go up and try to force them to go like, this is what you need to do. I wait for the challenges in life to come along. And then I make suggestions to them. Like, you could look at it this way or that way you have a choice, and try and teach them that they have a choice, because the truth is they do learn the most, and set the most rules from the age of one to seven. So we have an opportunity to really teach them very positive thinking processes at a younger age. And that’s what I try to do is make sure they’re not putting themselves down and saying they can’t. One of the things is, you know, I have a grandson that’s playing football right now. And, you know, we want to make sure to teach him that he’s doing a good job. And he’s not putting himself down for anything he does, you know, the thing you need to look at, did you put the effort and then you did great doesn’t matter. You know, you did great if you put action towards it and proper thought. And the other thing I try to teach him is a lot of it can be thought because if you’re thinking correctly, when you’re doing stuff, you’re gonna get a better results. So what are you thinking about why you’re trying to accomplish your task. And these are the ways I go about it with stories, because I always say stories like the golden box, or other stories, our best way to impress people with different ideas. But the bottom line is I just want to have a happy life. And it’s their choice, what they really decide. I just want to help guide them in the direction that will help them the most.

Unknown Speaker 24:05
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 24:05
and it’s tough, right? Especially again, as a parent, and you just want them to take this stuff in and you just want to it’s like if we could just like stick a USB, and stick into our head or something and be like, hey, you’re going to need this later at some point, right? That’d be for, you know, skip over these chapters. You’re not going to need these. But if we could do that, that’d be that’d be a lot of fun. You know, what would you mean, though, you said, you know, kind of proper thought and thinking correctly? What do you what do you say? And then when you say that,

Rick Thompson 24:36
well, everybody has different rules. So you want to have good rules. You don’t want to have rules that say, you know, I’m not smart, or I’m not able to be happy. Or maybe some of the rules I see that hurt people is like, my job is to make everybody happy. Well, that’s an impossible goal. You can’t make everyone happy. So you If you make your rules too complex in life, you’re gonna fry pain and suffering about it. What you want to do is have rules like, you know, no matter who you are, I’m going to give you a smile, or I’m going to treat you with respect, I have control of that. So if my rules are like that, then I can control the world around me to a degree, people might be unhappy, or they might be sad, but it’s not going to be my fault, because I didn’t achieve it. So you just got to be careful with your rules in life and what you kind of set in on yourself, so that they’re achievable. And they’re realistic, and they’re beneficial to you. Because most of the things that getting away are going to be our rules that we have about how life should be, you know, if you’re miserable, is because your rules don’t align with your life. And you can change them, if you want. That’s the one thing we have control over. You can’t change people, but you can definitely change your rules.

Brandon Handley 25:55
So that’s great. How do I align those two?

Rick Thompson 25:59
Well, you, it’s gonna be a little bit different for everybody, because we live different lives, and we’re all different. But what you want to do is kind of feel in your heart and your soul what feels right. And when you have bad feelings. You want to say, Well, what caused? What caused me to feel icky about this or bad about that, because we all have those feelings. And then you check your rules out and say, okay, what’s not in alignment that’s making me feel that way? And what would I need to do to make that a good rule that it’d be enlightenment and would make me happy. And you review those rules, and then you would repeat them, like, whatever the new rule might be, just before you go to bed, or when you wake up, it just depends upon each person’s individual, and what they really want out of life. And how they even define words. Because the words may mean something to somebody else when they say him than they do to you. But the I am words, I am this I am that are very powerful. If I am a good man, you will go out of your way to be a good man. That’s what you say and believe. If you say I’m a bad man, you’ll go out of your way to prove to people that’s true, too. So those roles that we make for ourselves are very important to be in line with the happiness and the joy we want in life.

Brandon Handley 27:18
Yeah, see, I can definitely relate to you know, you are what you say you are, right. I mean, you really are fine. If I look back, and oh, man, oh, Jeff, those misspent youth, right? If I look back at those misfit years, when when I was like, Oh, I’m this I am that and and you know, just kind of, and doing it unconsciously and becoming exactly what I said that I was at those points in time. And it’s just unbelievable how, when you start making that choice consciously when you start saying who you are to yourself, and looking for evidence of that, right? I found that to be kind of the one of the pieces that is key here is to state who I am today, right? Who am I today? And that’s like, whoever I want to be even in the future. I already am that right? So what are the pieces that or in the future necessary for that whole thing that I have right now to begin to build on that? I found that to be super, super potent for me. But one of the you got a couple things in here too. First, you know why? Why is I am? Like so powerful? Like just saying I am Dude, what would you say there?

Rick Thompson 28:43
That’s a good question. I’m not exactly sure why I am I just know through research that I am. Because your brain is your subconscious is really one liners. So I think part of it is because it’s just a simple one line I am. So your subconscious knows what I am is and then it just connects. And it doesn’t have to have logic or reason to connect. It just connects. So the I am statements or this is true statements, or how our subconscious is stacked. And then we use those bits of information to think with. So our conscious mind least allows us to analyze and lose us a lot of energy to decide what’s good or bad, or change however we need to. But our subconscious mind is kind of like this deck of cards that’s already pre stacked. And if you get that situation, that’s what’s going to happen. It’s it knows these rules, and it’s going to give you those answers as quickly as possible. Because to jump out of the way of a car. It’s like you don’t want to think about it. You just do it. And a lot of things in life are just like that. You don’t really think about it, you do it and even some things are so well taught to us that we don’t even realize we’re doing when they happen you know you can be talking to somebody and get that funny look on your face or you say this Word, and it kind of offends them a little bit, but you didn’t even know you’re doing that you just do it. So when you get those hard feelings if you analyze them and kind of see what’s going on, it helps you to adjust. I have a story about my daughter that kind of puts that in perspective is when she was very little. I was an ironworker. You know, iron workers are tougher than iron. At work, and I would take that home. And because I was loud and forceful, she said, Dad, you kind of scare me when you know. And she told me one time, and I said, Okay, and she told me, I never talked to our studio like that again. But I didn’t know I was, it was just a habit, I brought home from work. I think a lot of us bring home habits from work and other things. You know, they kind of accomplish what you need at work, but they don’t accomplish what you need out of life.

Brandon Handley 30:52
Yeah, that’s powerful. That’s one of the things that I found to be the gift of having a child, right. Like, they always say that children are a blessing and a gift. And when you’re changing diapers, you like that, you know, like how they are. And like, you know, you want a good night’s sleep. And yeah, there’s realize that here, but I found that they are just amazing at reflecting who you are right back to you without a filter without that without that world filter that says oh, you can’t say that, right? Oh, you can’t say that to a person. Right? That kind of thing. So I, I love I love the children for that. And and how they

Rick Thompson 31:35
write they shine. You’re right. But I love it too. They say exactly what you think,

Brandon Handley 31:40
you know, sometimes it’s not so great or

Rick Thompson 31:41
chubby pop up.

Unknown Speaker 31:46
And, and, and,

Brandon Handley 31:47
and and they you know, they they will say what you say right? They’ll talk how you talk and you’ll hear them talk like you talking like oh my god, I sound like a jerk. Right? Or like, Oh, that’s rough. I live really that rough. Because you know, you have that kind of influence on them. Especially like you said, that age like one through seven super impressionable. That’s also, like you said that the kind of the age where you build some logic and reason. So what what is, I mean, we’ve got some of these logic and reason codes that had been imprinted. Like through that age one through seven. And then I don’t know, we go through like 2020 plus years, maybe 30, maybe 40. If you’re a late bloomer like myself, when you when you finally realize that, hey, you’ve, you’ve got all this logic and reason that you built up over the years, how do you how do you begin to, like, dismantle that.

Rick Thompson 32:42
Or you’d like to say you want to see the things that make you feel bad, and listen to what other people say to and you want to review your rules, because it’s a basically gets down to what did your subconscious really believe, you know, you can tell like, I’m going to be a millionaire. And your subconscious will tell you kind of like now. Now you’re not ready yet. So you can feel inside what’s really true, you know, and when, and when you get those in alignment, those feelings, you know, I’m going to do this or that and it feels right, then you’re getting the right belief behind you, and you just reinforced those, as we get older, I think it’s harder to change in, you know, that’s why as a child, it’s a gift to kind of help them teach so much because it does stay with them very easily through all their life. As we get older, we kind of reinforce it with you know, talking to herself, or, you know, I like to use music that sings good songs to you, that tells you the kind of stuff you’re trying to think correctly. I pick out certain songs in the morning to listen to that will help you get started that just kind of put that thought into you, or you can use mantras, but the hard part is to sit down and say what are my rules? And do they serve me and the people around me? And if they do then they’re good and if they don’t then we’ll Why don’t you adjust them a little bit?

Unknown Speaker 34:04
The

Brandon Handley 34:08
good music? What do you know? Are you willing to share kind of what your your your morning wake up routine music is I mean, what gets you going?

Rick Thompson 34:17
Well, I’m not really good with all the names but I have you know, I like pop and I like different music. I have a handful that ranges from you know, classic rock, country music, and I just look for things that say positive stuff. Like there you know the song This is going to be the best day of my life.

Brandon Handley 34:37
Yeah, it’s a great song. I liked it. That’s

Rick Thompson 34:39
a good song. I like that song because this is going to be the I think I like to wish people I hope this is the best day ever had and I hope tomorrow is the best they have every day because every day is the best day from here on in Godrej. Like,

Brandon Handley 34:51
right, right. Hey, listen, I mean, so for years, a couple years they’re not mine is COVID I go to jujitsu To write and and when new barriers How you doing? Do you have when you’re getting ready to spar and like how are you doing? Like, best day in my life everything is call me to this moment, right? Like, I mean, this is the right now is the best moment of my life. It’s all it’s all built up to this moment. So any other good songs that you like? I mean, I know that for me, I literally just answered this question the other day, you know, KC, and the sunshine berry walking on sunshine, right? Yeah, that’s the song that’s like, I mean, we, when you hear that song, you gotta you have no choice. You got to, you got to smile, you got to be walking on sunshine, anything else you got,

Rick Thompson 35:35
I got a ton of them. But I don’t want to offend anybody. But you know, when I die, and I’m gonna go to the place, that’s the best.

Brandon Handley 35:41
Yeah, that’s a

Rick Thompson 35:43
champion. And, you know, I have a loved ones that I like, just, you know, what loves about and different things like that. I mean, I’d be interested from the audience, because I’m always looking for new songs, what they think are the best songs because I really think that starting your day, like that, or listen to that kind of stuff really makes an impact on your subconscious way of things. And so many songs have, you know, negative impact on them and stuff. Same as movies, so many movies can have, you know, very negative implications to them. So I’m looking for stuff to put that positive in positive thinking into your brain, so I can get that positive thinking out of my brain.

Brandon Handley 36:27
So it’s funny you say that because remember al gore Al Gore, Al Gore and tipper Gore, was it remember, they were trying to get like some of that, you know, all that, you know, not bad. I wouldn’t call it bad music. But now I wouldn’t listen to it. Right. Some of the some of the stuff that I listened to when I was younger, because of, of just how influential that is on our minds. Do you remember that? Like I do, I

Rick Thompson 36:49
don’t have to say about that. Because you know, they. There’s good and bad in everything. It doesn’t matter what it is? Yeah, you know, you have a choice. If you choose in those kinds of things, there must be a reason I don’t judge because I haven’t lived your life. But that’s going to get back to what are your rules? To your rules say that you have to fight everybody that comes along? Or can you negotiate it? And yeah, like I said, I have not lived the life of the people and how they make the decisions, or why they like stuff. I just know, for me, that’s what I prefer to have happy life. And that’s what I would recommend others. But some of those tunes that are got some weird lyrics, and let’s just say they got catchy tunes.

Brandon Handley 37:41
Hey, listen, don’t don’t get me wrong. Like, there’s still gonna be days when I still play some songs and stuff, right? And and it’s interesting, because I don’t listen to music quite as quite as much as I used to. And what will happen though, is that those lyrics will pop up in my head, like the next day or a few days later, I’m like, oh, wow, I you know, I haven’t seen that in forever. But then I can also recall, just the last time I heard it, and just I’m so cognizant of what goes in now. And seeing it show up later, right, like literally planting that seed in my mind, and it shows up somewhere else later. And I think that’s the kind of kind of what we’re hearing to for you. I think another one I like to Rick is I can see clearly now. Right? That’s a good one. I like that one. What about like, a couple mantras? Do you have the what’s what’s one or two matches that you find yourself using to help you stay positive,

Rick Thompson 38:41
I like to use Have you heard of Ono Pono.

Brandon Handley 38:44
I’ve heard of it, I have not delved deeply into it and want to tell us a little bit about what that is.

Rick Thompson 38:48
So Ono, Pono is a like a Hawaiian chant. And there was this guy that went to a prison. And he was hired as the lead, you know, the director of the prison. And when he went there, it was a terrible place. And people were fighting and having all this trouble. And all he did in that prison was to take the people’s pictures, and he would do this pair of them. I love you. Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you. And he would do that in there. Because he felt like, you know, they he needed saving. By saving himself by asking for forgiveness, he’s saving them and eventually that prison, you know, it got better and better until they actually shut it down. And so those are that’s one of the things I like to do. You know, I think about all the little things I did wrong during the day or the things I said to people, and I’ll pick those people out, and I’ll do that at night. Or maybe right after I just did it wrong. And I just send that out now. I just think it makes a big difference. You know, it’s a simple jet, but I love you Please forgive me. I’m sorry. Thank you.

Brandon Handley 39:53
Yeah, that’s, that’s, uh, I love that. You know, I love that. I love that story. And it’s first I’ve heard it It reminds me to of, you know, the meta meditations, right the loving kindness kind of real similar, right we send you know, no love and kindness out to somebody other people, some some that you’re having some that you’re on bad terms with some people that you don’t know at all or whatever right now close ones and yourself, right? I think that that’s always important is to, to make sure that you’re giving yourself a little little love. I mean, love yourself first too, right? I don’t know about you. But if you’re not loving yourself, then who’s gonna love you? Right? Right?

Rick Thompson 40:33
I agree. It’s kind of like the oxygen mask. I don’t put them oxygen mask, or I don’t take care of myself, how can I help anybody else? I need to take care of myself enough. So I’m strong to contribute to you.

Brandon Handley 40:45
Know, and you so you, you felt like, you know, again, you kind of fell into this stuff? Have you applied it in your business? Has your business? Do you feel like your business has been exponentially more successful? Or do you just feel more successful as a person in general, because of all that you’re doing in the way you’re employing it? Or is it both?

Rick Thompson 41:06
Both? I feel like my life is way better. I’m happy. I feel like I live. I’m grateful every day I lived a blessed life. I feel so blessed. I’d love to have everything I need. It’s a great life. And my business does well, and I help others. And I mean, it’s not the trip, it’s the journey. So the goals are always more the goals are the opportunities to go forward. I have goals to do all kinds of things in the future. Just because I want to contribute and make the most of my life. It’s not like I need more. I have everything I need today and more. It’s just fun to travel the road.

Brandon Handley 41:47
But what would you say the importance of recognizing that distinction, that you just said that they’re you know, you’ll want more? But you’ve got everything that Jordan need right now? How does that change? Kind of the effort, stress levels, etc?

Rick Thompson 42:07
Well, I think it’s, again, your rules, I think the stress level goes way down. If you can believe those things totally. Can I don’t need more, I don’t have to have this, I’m not suffering, you know, I’m not worried about this or that or that. Those things go away. And I forgive those that make mistakes and don’t hold grudges, and I get rid of that negative engine energy I feel and you write on that energy wave or that love wave, whatever you want to call it. Right? Everybody calls it different. But it’s existed for millions of years, because they talked about it. For me. The physics is different today than it was at the beginning of time. Right? We just call it different stuff and look at it from a different perspective. Right? The physics are all still the same?

Brandon Handley 42:50
No, I mean, you know, to your point earlier, I think a little bit on Nope, we talked about it while we’re here. So much, but everything, you know, God’s created everything right, you know, everything has already been created. It’s really just our awareness of it. Right. And maybe, I don’t know coalescing it through our thoughts and being able to see it, right. I mean, something along those lines, the so what made you What made you decide that, you know, you should be putting out a book. And now, as it relates to this material, why you Why now?

Rick Thompson 43:27
Well, it’s just the way life went. And, you know, you kind of the calling, there’s just something that says, hey, you should do this, you know, I thought I’d never be able to write a book. My history is not a writer, you know, I love science and stuff. But when it comes to the English language, those kind of things, I’m not top notch, I have a lot to learn. But someone came to me and said, Hey, you should write a book. And then I started thinking about what I learned. And I love the subject of science and how energy comes together and how it can help your life. And it helped my life so much. I just had that calling that how do you help somebody? I don’t know for sure what I’m supposed to do to help others. But when you get that feeling in your heart, like you should do something. I tried to do it, and I got that feeling in my heart. I should do that. So I did it.

Brandon Handley 44:14
Nice. My sounds like I mean, it sounds like to your I always get some backlash when I say, you know, following your bliss, but I mean, when you follow, I guess you’re kind of heart hearts guidance is what I guess we could call it. Are you following the guidance of your heart? And that leads to something good? Is that kind of what you’re saying here?

Rick Thompson 44:36
Yeah, I believe that. You know, we all have feelings. We all have feelings. And if you listen to them, they’ll guide you in the right path. When you go into a room you can tell rooms negative or positive. You can tell so many things in life, we don’t realize. It’s like the water crystals. You can prove that your energy does it but there’s energy there. You can when we They do statistics on good and bad things happening when they have prayer, they have perceptions. And statistically, they can prove that when they have those set prayer sessions, the bad events go down. So our energy out there that we have, connect with everybody is available. So what do you do to make that work the best for everybody?

Brandon Handley 45:22
That’s awesome. So where the title of the book again? Where can people kind of go to find it? And where should they connect with you?

Rick Thompson 45:32
The title of the book is the quantum mindset in a nutshell, and I have a webpage, that’s the Quantum mindset.com. You can go there and connect with me there. And if you look up the book and stuff, it’ll connect you to me. And through that website, that’s the best way you want to email, ask questions. If there’s something I can do to help you just let me know. I’d love to help. Awesome and who

Brandon Handley 45:55
would you say like your, your ideal reader, I guess if you know, if we were, if we were talking marketing terms, that avatar or even your niche, like, who’s gonna be picking this book up? Do you think Who’s this talking to?

Rick Thompson 46:11
I think it’s people that are trying to understand life and maybe are looking for a change and not clear whether they can really make that effect on their life. This book gives you a lot of solid facts about why this is possible physically. And if you’re looking for that kind of supporting information, but I think anybody who’s looking for to change their life with positive energy, this book is a good place to start.

Brandon Handley 46:38
Recommend I just want to say thanks for I know you’re a busy man. So I want to say thanks for stopping by spiritual dope and hanging out sharing some of your story, your insights, and you know, hopefully somebody out there is no totally influenced by our conversation today. So thank you.

Rick Thompson 46:53
Well, I hope it helps people and that’s why I’m here to help you and I’m very grateful for you having me here today. And hope you have a wonderful day, your week. Bye.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. I don’t know why I always introduce myself. The host is never gonna change. I’m spiritual dope podcast and I’m on with Kiko. Ellsworth Kiko,

Unknown Speaker 0:15
you know,

Brandon Handley 0:15
has a has a great story, spent some time in Hollywood, then, you know, transitioning, we were just talking about, like, you know, metamorphosizing into this kind of goop into butterfly mode. But you know, Kiko for the people that aren’t familiar with you like, what do you like to tell them? Right? Where are you from? What do you about and you know, what’s happening with you?

Kiko Ellsworth 0:39
Well, thank you for having me. And I want to say, blessings and love and peace, to all of my brothers and sisters, I love you. And I think that’s the most important thing that I want to communicate, probably throughout this entire podcast, write that in there. And I truly do mean that. So, you know, I think, you know, kind of like, just really starting off, we, you know, I think we’re all just born with a purpose, and we forget what it is, I think that’s a part of the game. And a part of the game is to remember, and just a part of my, my story was to had to do with Hollywood and forgetting and kind of getting caught up in that and learning the tools and the power of that sort of medium. And how it can be used for anything, whether it be good or negativity, or it can be used for anything. And so I’ve just basically found my way to using it for good. Which brings me here to you, brother.

Brandon Handley 1:38
There you go. There you go. I love I love the idea that we can, you know, it’s just a couple people connecting, right. And, you know, that’s, that’s all we’re really doing. And we just share kind of a, you know, shared spiritual sense of being right, whatever that means. But so, the, I like to open these up with the whole idea that whoever’s listening to this podcast today, whoever we’re contacting today, they’re gonna hear some that can only come from spear from, you know, the universe, through you to them today, like what is that message, you know, what’s coming through you to that person today.

Kiko Ellsworth 2:22
That’s beautiful, as beautiful. You know, what’s coming through is for us to, you know, as you’re listening to this,

I think we forget how beautifully made that we are. And we kind of think that we’re these humans, and that we’re these bodies, and that we’re these titles and jobs, and, you know, and we get all uptight and shit and we perform for people, and we put on these masks and say these things and, you know, but at the end of the day, I think it’s, it’s really about, I don’t want to say the the superficial way. So I’m gonna go underneath it is really about really, you, you knew your soul, your swagger, your mojo, your style, how you your opinion, your voice, your spin on things, you know, because nothing’s new under the sun, and they’re there. No, one’s really different, really, in the sense really, except in how you do what you do. And that’s just your, that’s yours, your soul, your swagger your, how you go about life, and that sort of spirit that wants to express itself through you. And so, you know, we become very unique if we, if you do you if I do mean if you know, Brandon, you do you and but if we got to get caught up in the, you know, the mainstream of life and pleasing or playing the larger game instead of going within, then we kind of missed the mark. We kind of what I like to say we sell our soul, you know, and I don’t think selling our souls necessarily like signing this contract with a devil and nothing like that. I think selling our soul happens in these little tiny micro ways every single day. These little ways that you’re not freaking true to yourself, these little ways where you just not speaking your truth, these little ways where you just don’t take the time to see what’s really there for you. You ignore your intuition. You’re ignoring what you know you’re supposed to be doing. You’re paying attention Are you giving too much attention and credence to the fears that are stopping you from doing what the EFF you are supposed to be doing in your life? You know,

Unknown Speaker 5:10
I love it.

Brandon Handley 5:11
Right? the you know, the the vision I’ve got when you’re kind of talking like that it’s, you know, you’re already a star like, you know, blazing star out there. And like, you know, each time you’re not being your story self, you’re just kind of losing Stardust, right? You’re diminishing yourself and you just kind of become a decrepit, right. You’re not you’re not being true to who you are. And, man, it’s the worst, right? I can still remember, I still remember way back in the day, some some warehouse parties. And I still remember these two girls dancing, right? And I could show you my dance, I was doing like little, little white guy up on the corner, just kind of like dancing like hiding in the shadows. Right. And I but like, I was really just kind of pulled into myself and I wasn’t, you know, just pulled into myself. And I was tight. And I was I wanted to dance. But you know, I wasn’t sure that I was doing it. Right. Maybe people would see me and then I saw these, like two girls out there. Right. And, and, you know, they’re, you know, back in the day, like those big baggy, like party people clothes, right, like his big old clothes, and just like whatever. And, you know, they’re just just playing in their arms out just like taking all this space. I was like, that’s so like, it’s a straight up, just letting the energy flow through them. And being all of who they were, they did not give a fuck, right? They didn’t care. And, you know, I was so inspired like, by by those two girls, it’s like, just letting it all just energy out. And I was like, from there on out. Right, like so, you know, like, you’re saying like little pieces that you’re not giving into right, that you’re that you’re ignoring are literally diminishing, you and who you are.

Kiko Ellsworth 6:56
Yeah, and that’s like, you know, it doesn’t just, you know, I’m glad you brought that example, because I have some of those images. Like my very first girlfriend, I remember going to the club with her back in the day when I was like 15. And I remember getting on the dance floor, and I was that guy that you were taught that you were as well. And she was that that girl that you talked about that you saw. And she was out there. And she I just remember her hair going all over the place. And she was just doing she was taking up all the space. And I was like, whoa. And you know, I was inspired and also intimidated at the same time. And, but I never forgot that, you know, and, you know, it’s it’s a, it takes, it takes practice. It’s interesting, because it’s like, you don’t need to do anything to be you because you’re already you. And at the same time, it takes practice, in a sense, shaking off and creating the space that you need in this world. So you can actually be free to be you, we have to create the space, we have to exercise our muscles, we have to exercise our expression, our voice. And if we don’t give it the attention and exercise and practice that it needs, when we call upon it, we’re gonna get out there on the dance floor and be like, I want to dance and I know I can but like, I’m kind of like, you know, kind of like, I don’t know, I haven’t been practicing and will be just out of shape. That’s right. Every every, I’ll just say like, every, every every like, you know, as we talk, like, every moment is a moment to practice being you don’t have a word. Of course, I can just talk to you like this. And I can just shoot words out of my mouth. And I can just talk and talk and talk and that’s fine. Or we can talk and we can feel the word and be present with who we’re being what we’re saying, present to the vibration of the words coming out. You know, and this just like, practicing taking up that space in our communication, and there’s so many ways to just play being you. Well, I

Brandon Handley 9:06
mean, look, I mean, I would relate it back to dance. So it’s just another dance, right? Just another. I like it, I liken it to double dutch too, right? Like always, because you know, you got the two ropes going, right? You got the two ropes going,

Unknown Speaker 9:21
Yeah, and you’ve got to get in that

Brandon Handley 9:22
rhythm. And you’ve got to do you’ve got to jump in the middle there, right. And if you mess that up, you’re getting hit by one of those rows. But when you do it and you hit it, you know, you’re just having fun, you’re just dancing in the middle there. And you’re going all around but the same thing with you and I had a conversation and a conversation that you’re present for, right? There’s a there’s, you can feel it. Right. And and that’s that’s a lot of how I liken it but I also understand too that you know, you’re into martial arts or you know, you’re a yoga teacher Kundalini, and all of these things, you know, they kind of all do this same thing. I mean, it correct me if I’m wrong, like Talk to me about how you see maybe martial arts playing a similar role as dancer or being present in that space. I’d love to hear that.

Kiko Ellsworth 10:09
Yes, yes, it’s interesting, you bring that up, because I think that you’re totally on point with that. And that’s, that’s exactly what my philosophy is. Because I don’t, I don’t see myself as an actor, or even a martial artist, or this or that, you know, at the end of the day, you know, I see myself as a creator, and I express myself in these different ways. And I allow myself to express myself through the art of acting, or through the art of martial arts, or through the art of dance, or through the art. And, you know, for me, my, you know, my job, my responsibility is to try to find as many ways as I can to authentically express my smile my soul in a way that it wants to express itself, it might not want to express itself, and I don’t want to paint right now, I’m not looking for that. Or this, you know, my head right now. It’s like, it’s the drum, it’s my, maybe it’s not the guitar just yet. I’m not ready for that, or whatever the case may be. But for right now is, you know, for me to look in the way that’s most true for me, you know, how, how, what feels right for me to express myself right now? And am I allowing that to flow? Or am I like, getting caught in Am I am I blocking that energy from, you know, letting it express itself, because as far as I’m concerned, man, it’s like spirit just wants to express itself as much as it can through you. As much as it can through me in through all of our brothers and sisters. And if you just do your thing, Brandon, if I just do my thing if I just because it’s there’s so much work to do over here. For me, I can’t I can’t worry about your work, because I got so much work over here to do you know, and if it’s like, if we’re both doing our work, then it’s something beautiful can happen in between the interaction between, you know, souls like you and me, man. So I appreciate it.

Brandon Handley 12:10
And I love it. As to Pete waitley, definitely one piece in here, right? How did you come to find yourself as a creator? Right? How did you when, when do you feel like you accepted that moniker for yourself? And then what, uh, you know, how would you state yourself as a creator, like, as a spirit flowing through you? You know, I’d love to hear kind of what your take is on that.

Kiko Ellsworth 12:35
I think that over the years, I’ve been calling myself so many things, and they’ve all been inaccurate.

Brandon Handley 12:43
Okay, so I bring that up, though, because I mean, we’re creators of our own lives, right? And, and the sooner that we accept that, the sooner we can get to creating our own lives, right. And like, you were saying, you know, letting I love to like you, when you were talking about blocking spirit or not letting spirit kind of flow directly through you, you put your hand to your head, right? And that’s, that’s what happens, right? When, when we’re, when we’re kind of and have this conversation last night with a coach. When we’re paying attention to ego, we’re using our head, right, and there’s, there’s kind of like, this is blockage, right? But then like when we’re just fully accept, and you brought your hand down a little bit, like, you know, kind of, we’re full of expressing spirit, like, it’s kind of flowing down through you out through your heart, and like, you know, you open up your arms a little bit too much. It’s like, it’s just coming through, like, a tsunami.

Kiko Ellsworth 13:36
Yeah, I think that’s interesting. You picked up on that? Yeah. Because it’s, it was totally unconscious. But I think that that’s exactly accurate. When you if you were to, like, unpack what’s going on that when we when we stopped flowing, it’s, it’s, it’s this, that stopping the flow is our head. And it’s also we’re stopping the flow of this energy of seeing of the being, and we’re this totally stopping and then but when we allow it, to have its way with us, man, man, just just that, that fun happens, you know, and so I think with with regards to like, accepting myself as a creator, you know, um, you know, I think the the frustration of like, what do I call myself? What do I call myself? am, I’m an actor, I’m a, I’m a director, I’m a teacher, I’m this, I’m this, I’m this and I’m like, I’m like, Damn, I was like, What? I don’t know. And just changed like, hundreds of times. And, you know, I think just to keep it simple and truthful is like, at the end of the day, like, you know what, I’m a creator. Like, let me just get back, boom, I’m a creator. And so, at the end of the day, that’s what I resonate. That’s the truth. We’re all creators. We all create our lives. We’re all creating every single moment I’m creating right now. I’m creating something into the universe right now. with with with how Everything I’m doing thinking, speaking, vibrating, moving, creating something with you, my brother, listeners, my brothers and sisters with myself, you know, so, and then, you know, at certain points in my life, I’ve just learned that okay, and this era of my life, like right now in this era of Kiko sallallaahu Ellsworth slife right now, you know, because sometimes we need a little more definition than just creator because that’s so broad. It’s like, okay, but yeah, what do you do is like, okay, yeah, let me just kind of do this human thing now, you know, but at this point in my life right now, I’m identifying as, you know, an actor on camera artists, you know, that sort of identity, inspirational speaker, and high performance love and lifestyle coach. So those are my Those are my, my things that are most prevalent in my life is being able to express myself on camera, inspiring, and people, you know, speaking people speaking, on the stage with people, whether it be virtually like this on stage in front of 10,000 people, it doesn’t matter. And then also actually doing the work like helping people to do the day to day work, whether I’m teaching a Kundalini yoga class, or breath work, or teaching a man how he can activate all of his cylinders as a man. So that’s, that’s where I’m rolling that right now, man. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29
That’s great. I want to I want to get back to that. So what I want to do is kind of break into the one piece, right, you know, for a while there, there you are, your your, your Hollywood, your Mr. Hollywood Kiko? Right and you kind of like the Playboy, your party, and you’ve got the ladies, you’ve got the, you know, the vehicles and you’re having a good time, right? Where is where is kind of the, the reckoning moment, right? where like, this is gonna, this this, this isn’t working, right, this, uh, this isn’t satisfying, this isn’t fulfilling. I mean, I’d be curious to kind of what did you even recognize it as a Was it a slow burn out? Or what?

Kiko Ellsworth 17:09
Yeah, there was a few of those moments, actually, you know, 211 was, you know, and living the fast life with a woman and then you know, doing that, and I’m in the moment, and then like, this, this is, I’m in the moment, but this is not it. This is not the moment I’m not feeling it. I’m not even connecting to this, to this, this moment. This is supposed to be this is supposed to be it. This is supposed to be the fun of, of, you know, you know, being with women and, you know, running this and you know, and it just, I just remember, like, kind of like being pulled outside of my body outside of this experience that’s supposed to be, you know, it, you know, the intimacy of being with a woman or women and all that stuff. And I’m like this, I’m like, I’m doing this act. And I’m like, just saying it, man. And it was like, my spear is like, yeah, you keep doing that. But like, I’m gonna be over here. And you do finish that or whatever. But I’m gonna be over here. And it’s just like, Whoa, I was like, Okay, this doesn’t mean much.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Yeah. So kind of like a hollow hollow moments. Right. And so hollow man, recognizing that, you know, recognizing them was it’s your product of I want to say the simulation right, you know, a product of the of the simulation right, the product of I hate to say commercialism, because I’m not going to try and like hate on commercialism. Right? Because even as even as you did acting and entertainment, and that might not have been like the most fulfilling, you know, if you if you were to take that kind of role right now, you you might you might turn it down. But at the same time, there’s value in entertainment, right? Everybody needs everybody needs that piece, right? everybody’s like, the world’s like, you know, you can get yourself down every once a while you just need something to distract. You need something to be entertained, right. So what you were finding hollow moments, right? So when, you know, when do you feel like was the Kundalini rising moment, right?

Kiko Ellsworth 19:15
Well, I was a slow rise for many, many years. And I had to add a big break down moment. But I remember another big choice of mine was when I was I remember that show heroes years ago. I don’t know if you remember that. So I had a role on there. And I remember, they want me to continue to be on the show. But it overlapped with my spiritual development in a way that, you know, I was trying to learn how to be in a relationship with this woman that was helping me to advance spiritually, right. And I ended up marrying her and we ended up having a completion ceremony as well. And it was like Okay, you got to choose us. Shoes, the money in the show, and some this or you choose this over here, but you can’t have both because they’re both at the same time, it’s like, you’re gonna choose this, you know, going on a trip with her and, and, and developing and investing in your relationship or you’re going to cancel the trip, postpone it, put that off, and then actually do this. And for me, you know, I just felt like I needed to choose me in that moment, and, and be willing to sacrifice the money, the fame being on a on a hit show. And that those sorts of things. And you know, and I did, and I ended up losing, you know, that role, they ended up like killing me off and stuff like that, you know, because there’s someone else that’s willing to take it and do those things. And

Brandon Handley 20:47
that was another moment. That’s super powerful. Right? That’s, uh, you know, God, I don’t know that Jesus lies in the Bible lines, but I know that, you know, a big part of it is like, you know, get rid of everything else and follow me, right. And by saying that he’s you know, basically you saying, doing what Jesus did, you know, get rid of everything else. That’s kind of distracting and follow yourself, right? Follow follow the truth of who you are. Or at least pay attention to that intuitive moment, like you did. And choosing yourself over anything else. That’s huge, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 21:24
I’m, like, enlightened, like, I mean, you tap in on it right there, like? And it goes back to the very first question that you asked me when we first started all this, right, choosing yourself, but most of us I know that I have very low self esteem, and I was very insecure, very low self esteem. When I now that Looking back, I realized that I didn’t think much of myself. I and I looked at myself, and I just saw this sort of, you know, a human, you know, I didn’t really see a divine being It was beautiful, and powerful and influential. And that that has all these magic, like literal magic. You know, I didn’t see that. And so I think if we don’t see that, we’re like, Well, why would I choose me? Like, I’m just, I’m just a little old me, you know, I’m saying, Yeah, yeah. Because that’s glitz and glamour. You know, I’m

Brandon Handley 22:22
saying that is? I mean, that’s a great word for it, though. Right. That’s the glamour. Right. That’s that, you know, you’re talking magical sense. Right. That’s, that’s the glamorization of this thing as its disillusionment. And I think that, you know, I don’t know if it’s purposeful. I’m not again, I’m not, I’m not a big conspiracy guy, either. I don’t have that kind of time. But like, when exactly we weren’t taught, we’re taught to play small, right? We’re taught to play small, we’re taught to be humbled to, you know, be grateful for what you get, you know, don’t ask for more than you need type of thing. So you are taught to be big. You weren’t taught to, like, find that expression you weren’t taught to? Even if you went to church, like you, and as a child, you wouldn’t have understood to look for your divinity. Yeah. Right. Um, you know, at least again, not and mostly in like, the western civilization. And this is just another parallel before we started the show, you know, you know, I came upon the same thing myself, like, probably this started spiritual dope, right? Because at the start of spiritual dope, was the recognition of myself as a divine being. Right? 100% right. I do. So I’ve got a mini course called, like, the divine framework, right? Like it’s recognized making that choice to recognize yourself as divinity is connected to the divine.

Kiko Ellsworth 23:46
What can be better than that? Yep. Because look, look, I mean, you you hit it, we were taught to be small, right? But, like, for those of you that are listening to this, you know, you are big like this is your world. Literally, like Neo in the matrix are the one that says

Brandon Handley 24:15
100% So uh, yeah, all good stuff man. And and I literally had during my awakening period, just because you’re bringing up Neo references remember that part where he goes in there and he starts replicating, right? Dude? sober like for like months right? Like I didn’t stop drinking right but if similar to your story, right, like we can get more into that and but replication moment, like we’re like that same noise like in my body, like I was like, This is some fucking shit. Right? Like and again. So was the day is long and that was happening. I still remember calling my wife and let her know that like all this shit was going on. She’s like, are you okay? Are you sober? I was like, Yeah, and that’s the problem. Right like going through. I was like, that’s because because you know if it was drugs or something else, I could I could I could put point to it. So, you know, you’re, you’re doing this right and you choose you, what are your friends saying? What are the people around you saying,

Kiko Ellsworth 25:08
I don’t, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t really know, I don’t care. And at the same time, the ones that are showing up and saying things are, are are inspired, they’re on board, you know, my main focus is me. And being true to me, like I said, I got enough work to do, to stay aligned with me, and to keep diving deep within me. And, you know, sometimes I come out and people have a response. And that’s, and that’s cool. And at the same time, you know, I’m okay with people not agreeing or saying certain things. Because at the same time, you know, it’s got nothing to do with me. And I realized that as well, like, they’re having their own experience, you know, whether they want to, you know, be responsible for that they’re the creators of their own life and not in project what they want to project. Like, that’s, that’s on that’s totally on them. And, you know, at the same time, there is a certain amount of reflection that I can get back from people, that also may just kind of give me a read on how I’m coming off or how, because I know, like, say, for example, if I say something that’s a deep truth to me, and then I can calibrate that on a response that I get if someone responds negatively, I’m like, Okay, great. I understand that. But I’m also, you know, I’m also calibrating that this was a deep truth of mine, and I can bring up things for other people. So being able to discern the difference between, you know, if I, if I, if I’m standing in my truth, and it’s bringing up negativity or something from someone else, I have to be able to discern, okay, this is something that’s bringing up for them. And that has nothing to do with me. And at the same time, if it brings up something positive, and if it inspires somebody else, I have to realize that that that communication got through to somebody, right, and it inspired somebody. So I have to discern the difference between one action that can inspire some biomek. Okay, great, I see how it’s resonating. And at the same time, if it brings up something negative, and someone else, being able to discern that same energy is bringing up something that has nothing to do with me, but has something to do with what someone else needs to work through in their own life, right. But I got to keep doing the same thing. I got to keep doing my thing. And my job is still the same. It’s just like, Am I am I doing? Am I am I aligned here? Am I doing my Am I expressing myself better? Is it better? Am I speaking my truth? I got a lot of work to do, man. Look, I got a lot of work to do, bro.

Brandon Handley 27:42
100%. Right, right. And it doesn’t stop. Let’s talk. I mean, what what are some practical applications? Right? So you have the work, right? have, you know some of some of what you’re doing? I know that you’re you’re you’re helping men and women to find themselves to activate themselves to to be true to themselves? What are some? What are some practical teachings that you’re sharing out there that some like, I don’t know, man? What’s something, you know, give me an example of something that you’re working on today. And let’s just walk it out. Right?

Kiko Ellsworth 28:14
Yeah, yeah. Well, let me just preempt it with this. My, my work that I do for myself, at times looks different than than the work that I do at times with people, you know, and it’s, it’s all it’s all but it’s all the one in the same as well, right? So say, for example, I’m creating this one course that I’m doing, and it’s a, it’s called, everyday divine love. It’s just like, how you can express every day, divine, dope, powerful love, being able to say your brand, and I love you, brother. I love you. Every day, divine love being able to see the Divinity in you and me, and not feel like this is taking me away and making me less than a man like nah, every single day, I can say I love you to my brother, and not feel weak. Every single day I can say I love you to my sister, and not mean nothing sexual. I just love you, my sister. I love you. I want you to fulfill your divine mission because you came in for mission. And I want you to fulfill that. So, you know, that court and that particular course, it’s really about like two things. It’s about anchoring in and giving them the framework to be able to authentically start to anchor themselves for that clarity to being able to see everyone with that divine love Now that doesn’t mean that we’re all like a just vulnerable to everybody in the way we would get ourselves hurt. Because it’s all about healthy boundaries as well too. And just because I love I love somebody that’s evil, but you need to stay over there. I love you because everything’s spirit right but You’re at a vibration that I will not allow to come into my space at the same time, you see what I’m saying. So anchoring in that sort of insight filter to be able to see the divinity and everything. And then also the basics of breathwork, that the basics of being able to breathe properly diaphragmatic breathing, having a complete breath, most of us originated, our breath originates in our upper chest, or our clavicles, as completely unproductive. And that’s going to take you completely off your path, it’s going to be counterproductive to being who you need to be, and fulfill your mission. So with that, it’s like, anchoring in that divine love and anchoring in just breathing properly, nothing, nothing special, just anchoring that breath down there into that diaphragm into that lower, you know, and then that chest, and then up here, and then learning how to breathe completely, right. And in that way, we can actually have, you know, sort of be the creators of our life in a very responsible and controlled, free flowing way. So that’s something that I’m creating right now. But that’s something that I repeatedly do, because a lot of people are so stressed, and they just don’t we just, we’re just in here, we’re just not taught how to breathe

Brandon Handley 31:15
in and,

Unknown Speaker 31:18
you know,

Brandon Handley 31:20
if we don’t know how to breathe, then you know, what else don’t we know? Right? And I think that that’s the crazy part. Because, you know, there you are, you’re breathing, and you’ve been breathing your entire life. And now somebody is going to count and be like, you’re doing it wrong. Like, what? What do you mean, I’m breathing wrong, I’m here, I’m alive. I’m doing well, aren’t I? Like, you know, that’s, are you? Right? I mean, that’s a great question. Right? Like, are you? What is your What is your breathing style?

Kiko Ellsworth 31:52
You know, and it changes, obviously, for me, you know, I just make sure that like, say, say for example, my default breathing, that it always starts down here, it always starts down here. And it’s something that I are constantly being conscious of a practice of just being aware of where my breathing is at. And never make myself wrong, just because like so you know, maybe in the day, I might start my breath here. I’m just conscious of it. So it’s my practice to constantly be aware of how I’m breathing, where I’m reading the rate of how I’m breathing, the pattern, how I’m breathing, I don’t ever feel bad. If I’m even breathing like up here. I’m not perfect with it. I’m always aware of my breathing. And then if it is somewhere else that is not necessarily optimal. I bring it back down to my belly, my navel point, my diaphragm. And what I like to say is I breathe low slow and it creates that glow. Number Baby,

Brandon Handley 32:55
I love it. The the you’re talking about though, twos taken away judgment, right, just because you’re not doing it and what you feel might be the best way for yourself. You’re not beating yourself up over it.

Unknown Speaker 33:06
He know. Right?

Brandon Handley 33:09
So I asked that question, just out of curiosity, because there was are you familiar with I’m sure you probably are Hara style breathing, the Japanese and style of breathing? No, I

Kiko Ellsworth 33:19
never heard of that. Actually.

Brandon Handley 33:20
That’s pretty cool. It’s a little bit different than just I guess the in the book anyways, it says is a little bit different than Indian style of breathing, just because it stops it stops the diaphragm or the belly from dropping a little bit lower that I don’t I mean, so. But it stops it from dropping just as low. But the thought that I had when I when I learned how to do a little bit of what you’re talking about, right and and implementing this Hara breathing is the idea of

Unknown Speaker 33:51
Holy Grail.

Brandon Handley 33:52
Right? If you look at it, right, and I almost ended up like this. So the base down here would be the bottom of the chalice, right? And if you’re squeezing here and you’re breathing your, you know, your belly here, right? And then you’ve got up here on the top of the chest. This is the holy grail is breathing properly.

Kiko Ellsworth 34:08
Yeah, I’m gonna run with it. Yeah, you know, you’re right. Because just briefly, the breath, your your quality of breath, directly influences your quality of thought. The quality of thought directly influences your quality of emotions and feelings, right? How you feel out throughout your entire body. And then our feelings and emotions directly influence our words and our actions. So our breath literally influences our ability to create the quality of life through our words. Someone that’s breathing and I love the saying is like if you picture like a I think it was like a it’s an old saying, but it goes. Deep breath, long life. Shallow breath close to death.

Brandon Handley 35:00
Oh, no. That’s funny sounds like it’s from like five fingers of venom or something like that.

Kiko Ellsworth 35:05
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly.

Brandon Handley 35:07
You picked up on that. Um, and so, so um, and another thing you mentioned in one of the other podcasts, I thought was pretty interesting. And they brought this, they brought this up in this book is called hair, how to find it, or how to share your link when I unpack. Because it’s actually really interesting. It comes from, from a German psychologist who’s been about 10 years with Zen Buddhists in the 40s and 50s. Right? So he was kind of a foreigner in this space. And one of the things they talk about, and there was something that you you brought up is like you by changing the way you breed, you change where your voice is coming from, talk a little bit about that, and how that comes about,

Kiko Ellsworth 35:51
oh, man, I I remember when I when I started doing Kundalini Yoga. And I’m doing class like 4am, early in the am 4am 4:35am. And I remember at that time, I was, I was so uptight. And I’m doing these mantras, there’s a lot of mantras and stuff like that. And I remember that time, my voice was caught in my throat. And it was like, it was like, up here. And it was like, tight. And it was it was higher. And it wasn’t coming from my diaphragm. And it was really heavy. And I remember in that class, I was like, why am I so stressed, I’m like, there’s nothing happened. It’s 430 in the AM. And I felt how I was holding everything up here, and my throat, and my shoulders. And when I learned how to breathe, my voice, my breath and everything just dropped down to my diaphragm, where it’s supposed to be, you know, where, where you can blow where you can, you know, where you have your power. And that’s, that’s where my got my voice back. The creativity just started flowing through my pacing on how I talk, you know, slow down, you know, you just you just start to get yourself back. You know, this is beautiful, man.

Brandon Handley 37:19
100% 100%. And so this is something that you’re you’re another another piece I enjoyed hearing you talk about was how acting helped you to connect to your emotions, right? And to actually feels I love that. It’s funny. About two weeks ago, I interviewed Anthony Mondale,

Unknown Speaker 37:40
are you familiar with him? Mondale?

Brandon Handley 37:42
Yeah, he’s an acting coach out there in LA. Just wasn’t sure if you guys ever cross paths?

Kiko Ellsworth 37:47
No, not my dad. One of my great friends is Anthony Montgomery. Not No, no.

Brandon Handley 37:53
Yeah. So when I was interviewing him, it was talking a little bit about this, right. Like, you know, he was saying, like, everybody needed, maybe I think classes. Absolutely. And, and, and I connected the two today when I was listening your podcast earlier. So talk a little bit about how that works. And you know, what, what, you know, how can somebody apply acting to, you know, figuring out their own emotions and their shit?

Kiko Ellsworth 38:17
Yeah, I think especially for, especially for men for both sexes, obviously. But especially for a man like fought for man, like, what we’re coming from is like, Man, you better not cry, you better suck it up. You know, you being a little worse, you being that, you know, you better man up you better, you better you better man up, you know what I’m saying? We’re coming from that sort of up tight, macho, you know, illusion type of crap. So, you know, a lot of men, you know, it’s good for men, because it’s almost like an excuse to cry. It’s like, we have an excuse. It’s like, Oh, no, I wasn’t really going to cry. It’s like, I’m an actor. So I get to cry. It’s kind of like a bridge. And you’re just

Brandon Handley 39:00
practicing for a role, right?

Unknown Speaker 39:02
Oh, man.

Kiko Ellsworth 39:04
You know, I was a real, you know, but but it gives us an excuse to get in touch with ourselves. Because once we make contact with ourselves, we go beyond that, that sort of fear. And we realize that, that it’s actually okay. And that is actually a natural part of us. It’s actually those if you imagine that we’re a 12 cylinder, high performance vehicle, and that we’re only using our masculine side, right that that strong, aggressive sun energy, we’re only using six of our cylinders. But when we start to tap into that, that Yin, that recessive side, that feminine side of who we actually are that part that can slow us down and be more sensitive and creative, right? Then we actually get in touch with those other cylinders. Because, you know, being in touch with our emotions allows us to navigate life. I can’t always just be aggressive with you or A child or a woman, I can’t always be completely masculine. I have to know when to receive, when to stop, when to listen. And then when to apply myself to penetrate. It’s a dance just like martial arts, I can’t always strike I got to know when to block. You know, the best martial artists are boxers, the ones that know how to like, you know, like, Oh my God, look how he’s like slipping that punch. Look how he’s blocked and look at how he’s moving. That’s a feminine move right there. That’s, that’s it, that’s an emotional move. That’s being sensitive, that’s being aware. And being aware and sensitive of what’s going on with you from an emotional state is, is essential. If a person but particularly a man because we struggle with it the most. If a man wants to evolve, particularly he has to be aware, really aware of his emotions, if he wants to evolve as a man, if not, he’s gonna he’s gonna be like a dinosaur. And he’s gonna, you’re gonna die, he’s gonna, he’s not gonna be able to keep up with evolution does so so I mean, look, I

Brandon Handley 41:05
mean, there’s, what you’re saying is there’s there’s a lot of power in feeling that emotion and recognizing it, what’s what’s, uh, what’s like the first tool that you give to a man who’s just trying to figure out his emotions.

Kiko Ellsworth 41:18
Uh, it all It all depends where he’s at, you know, for me, it’s,

Brandon Handley 41:23
I’m in off the streets, and I, I’m tough as hell, and I don’t have any emotions. So what’s, uh,

Kiko Ellsworth 41:30
yeah, yeah. Well, I think the first thing is having a real conversation to acknowledge that everybody has emotions. And that, if you really are man, let’s say for example, I might be dealing with this stuff, too, right? It’s like, okay, so you’re man, you’re tougher. Right? So So when did you get hurt? So I know that cuz everybody gets hurt. You weren’t born? It’s where were you born this way. So where were you like before? You think that you didn’t have motions? When did you stop having emotions? Look, your heart. Let’s be real. Let’s be tough about this. Who broke your heart, man, I don’t remember who broke my heart. And I’ll share, I’ll share myself and I might even tear up I because I need to create a space right for him. So he feels safe, I need to lead by example. Right? So I’ll create a space where he can start to see maybe himself in me. And then he can start to share himself. So he needs to learn how to explore the inner workings of his if several, he never felt safe to explore the inner workings of himself to reveal himself to himself, literally. That’s how he’s going to find him his strength. So, you know, some it’s, it’s, it’s, uh, you know, I don’t ever come out at the same way. And at the end of the day, I don’t go out just looking for men. They gotta want it themselves.

Brandon Handley 42:40
We look. Yeah, that’s I mean, that’s huge. Right. Gotta want it.

Kiko Ellsworth 42:48
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 42:48
I still, you know, I think that I’m not sure if you were like me. And, you know, when you first kind of had your moments of awakening moments, or you’re, you’re like, Hey, y’all are spiritual now. Right? Yeah. Like, like a, you know, it’s like I was. No, I’m

Kiko Ellsworth 43:05
not I’m not doing the drinkin and stuff.

Unknown Speaker 43:08
Already. Yeah, I’m

Brandon Handley 43:10
like, it’s old school, right? Like, quite literally, like, I’m like, Hey, y’all, let’s go streak in, right. And everybody’s like, nobody’s coming with me. But that’s okay. But you know, there’s also that point where you realize, like, you were talking earlier, it’s, it’s your own experience, and everybody else is having their own experience. And you got to want it, right, you got to be looking for it in order to, to immediately if you’re not looking for it, you won’t find it right.

Kiko Ellsworth 43:35
At some point, you’re being selfish in that sense. You know, I’m gonna say it like that. You got to just start thinking about you. Because here’s the thing. Like, I might say this to a guy too. I might say this, like, Look, you’re gonna die, dude, you’re gonna die. One day, you’re gonna die. And you can either look back on your life because I believe we’re gonna be able to look back on our life. And no, we’re just gonna, you’re gonna know. And so like, you can live a life that you’re proud of. Right? And you can really have shown up in the best way that you can, or you can continue to, like, do what you’ve been doing. Right? Like we want to, we want to die proud. We want to challenge ourselves. We want to evolve ourselves as men, and be that and do the things that we need to say confront the fears, we need to say heal the relationships that we need to heal. You know, one of the most proud things I’m most proud of, is I you know, me and my dad I really was like over 30 years I healed my relationship with my dad. I created 100% peace with my dad. That was the relationship I did other ones too. You know, I’m saying but that was the one that was the one that was the monster that was the one I was most afraid of. That was the one that was the breakthrough. Right? What

Brandon Handley 44:39
was what was what made it the monster like I mean, what was what was it that you know, what was the wall like?

Kiko Ellsworth 44:46
Because I was afraid of my dad. I was afraid of my dad. You know, growing up. That was where a lot of the abuse happened to alcohol the the manipulation the that sort of thing you don’t I’m saying I was afraid of my dad. He was the big bad monster. You know what I’m saying? I’m walking on eggshells being afraid It all started with, like, you know, my dad, you know, and now you know, but my dad, at the time when he had me when he was so young, right, I don’t blame my dad, you know, like, but for me for being a young boy and and then having your dad, your hero, that figure and then being afraid of that, and then you have and then having to overcome that your entire life. You know, I’m saying that’s that’s like the big bad monster. So for me to, you know, when I was engaging in the world The reason why I didn’t have my voice and the reason why I was afraid is because I was initially afraid of my dad.

Unknown Speaker 45:32
Yeah, well, I

Kiko Ellsworth 45:32
mean, that’s why I was afraid to the entire world. Yeah, cuz.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah. So I mean, I didn’t mention it. But my first my first foray into doing the podcast was fatherhood stuff, right? covering the fatherhood space, right? Just understanding how important that is to have somebody that does the first stop. Right, your first office at home? Yep. Right. And so having to deal with a father like that, that tells you a lot, right, and what you had to overcome. So I mean, that’s powerful that you did it, like, what do you do? You know, what do you attribute the largest of it, you know, kind of overcoming it just all the work that you did on yourself and fully accepting him for who he was? And, you know, what, what was the final breakthrough for you?

Kiko Ellsworth 46:13
I think, you know, it’s interesting. My own dedication to myself, being selfish, wanting to be just the best version of myself, helped me to be the person I need to be to really make that job happen. That’s one thing, right. And then along the path, I realized that I was in a Iosco ceremony, you know, one of these Iosco ceremonies, I’ve done like a lot of those, right. And in one of these ceremonies, I wrote down two words, I wrote down, Hey, Dad, that’s all I wrote down. Because at that point, when I was in that, in the middle of that, I realized that if I could just say to my dad, Hey, Dad, with an open heart, peaceful, love, I realized that’s what I wanted. And I didn’t realize it. And many of us men don’t realize we like oh, or woman or whatever, like, I’m cool. I’m cool. Just being over here. At the end of the day, I just like I challenge you, that we all really do want it, we might not think that it’s possible, there might be a lot of pain, there might be we might have given up hope, we might not have the tools, we might not have developed ourselves enough. That might be looking like a big 30 foot 100 foot wall 20 feet thick, it might look impossible. That said, the child inside of us still wants that peace, wants that relationship still wants something healthy. And I think that we have an opportunity, we might not have been able to do it as a child. But we have an opportunity if we actually get the tools and the resources to be able to actually create that some of us got a really it took me 30 years, you got to fight for that. And then gonna be easy, right? You might not, you might never get the response that you need. But it’s not about that always, it’s really about like healing this up in here. And let me tell you, when I finally broke through to my dad, Yo, I found it I put it like this. I had there was like three, not physical fights. But there was three fights with my dad like emotional fights. The first one was like an explosion of volcanoes all over the place. crying tears, I remember was like, in the beginning, it was like in the middle of an alley dives, I got out the middle of his truck. And I was yelling at him. And it was just, it was all over the place. A second one. Same thing, but not as intense, right. Third time was same thing. definitely like it was like about 25% and intense. But I was much more in control with my tools and how to show up. And it was like, it was like I had to manage my ego and my spirit manages, right, keep him so he wasn’t able to like run away and get out of the situation. And you know, hit it over here with my ego, maybe confront him with something and then speak my heart and then do this but and then also not be emotionally attached to what was going on with him. But be my own. It was there, then and then it was like and then it was like I remember the moment then he sat down. I’m not gonna tell you some Look, look. It’s like Scarface waving a little white flag. never see that happen ever. So you’re going to shoot me like I’m going out with it’s like right? See, my dad at that time. Put it to sit down was like seeing having Scarface surrender. And I remember in that moment, everything changed. because something happened that I didn’t even know that I was looking for and my dad Man, he spoke to me in a tone that that I hadn’t heard like, in 40 years. Since I was a boy since I was like five. And a part that that little boy inside of me was like, I remember him. Yeah. I remember that voice. Yeah, I didn’t, I didn’t. I wasn’t available for it in all the stuff that had happened throughout life, and all this stuff. But that didn’t change the fact that when I heard that voice, that’s what I wanted to hear.

Brandon Handley 50:35
Yeah. Yeah. I love that man. Yeah, you were able to just kind of get back to to the space, right? Where is just the two of you. You know, there’s that Father, Son and father child bond. I mean, look, you’ve got your daughter, right. I don’t know if you’ve got any other children. But there’s that bond and do when when you’re given all of your heart guests. And that’s kind of a tone that you heard from your father, right? Like, get the unconditional love of a father and a child. And that’s what had been missing for you for so long.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:05
Yeah, yeah. And as soon as I broke through with my dad, I was able to connect with my daughter at a deeper level, because I had a block with my daughter.

Unknown Speaker 51:14
Yeah,

Kiko Ellsworth 51:15
up until that point, when I broke through with my dad, I broke through with my daughter. And she also established a connection with him because she was like, disconnected from him, too. And I was wondering what was happening. And I was like, I want to be more connected. But it’s not. That happened. It just started flowing.

Brandon Handley 51:32
There it is. There it is, man, I love it. So you know, you’ve got this, you’ve got training, you’ve got courses, where, you know, you’re working with other people, I believe, you know, that you’re also getting back into some acting right? You’re getting back to work?

Unknown Speaker 51:48
Well, in front of the camera, we’ll get in front of the camera. Okay. All right. All right.

Kiko Ellsworth 51:54
Yes. Is back for sure. Most definitely, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 51:58
so forth, we expect to see you this year.

Kiko Ellsworth 52:03
You know, this is what matters most right here having these conversations. And, you know, this, it starts with, like, it has been starting with, like these sorts of podcasts and these sorts of interviews. You know, I walked away from entertainment, because I didn’t, I didn’t have anything of value, in my opinion, to talk about, that truly matter, anything that I felt where I had a real foundation to stand upon. But being able to talk about things like my relationship with my father, now I got something to talk about. For me. That’s the stuff that matters in life. That’s the stuff that matters when we are on our deathbed when we’re transitioning and going back to our home, right? That’s the type of stuff that we can be proud of, you know, so, you know, starts with like this, I’m doing some a lot of public speaking. This this year as well, too. It might not be this particular year, like in TV or film. But that that will likely happen in the next like two years or so. What I’m what I’m doing is I’m getting back in front of the camera in ways that are most meaningful. And my job is just to listen to spirit, and to do and to go where spirit guides me. And like right now it has me speaking with you. And I’m so blessed to be here with you, brother. I’m so appreciative of you and holding the space spiritual dope podcast. Thank you to you and your listeners, man. And I’m just you know, I’m just grateful man. Yeah, thank you.

Brandon Handley 53:30
I’m so appreciative to have this opportunity to speak with you right to get to connect. And to be able to use a platform like this to do that. Right. So where can I send people then to connect with you? Where should we Where should we go? Get us some more Kiko?

Kiko Ellsworth 53:43
Your Yeah, um, you can find me on Instagram. It’s just Kiko Ellsworth KKOELL sw rth. On Instagram and everything is like you can find everything that I do. They’re awesome.

Brandon Handley 53:56
Well Kiko thank you so much again, man. You know, I’m sure most of people know you know, novice days is is is what it means to say, you know, I salute the Divinity within you. So I salute the Divinity with

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I had the opportunity to speak with Kat Kim recently… we had a blast! Be sure to listen in to hear all about her spiritual journey!

From her about page:

I serve the Spiritual Nonconformist, the misfit, the misunderstood.  

In other words, the changemaker.

For over ten years I’ve applied what I know about behavioral change and spiritual transformation to help my clients create radical, nonconformist change in their lives.

My approach is based on Hermetic Philosophy, New Thought teachings, and the wisdom passed down through the ages by Buddha, Jesus Christ, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

(And Chomsky. Can’t forget Chomsky.)

connect with Kat over at https://www.katkim.com/

Insta: @katkimofficial

FB: @MissKatKim

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley, your hosts here with cat cam and I’m gonna flip it for the new year. Normally I introduced but, you know, cat cam once you go ahead and give the audience a little feel for what you’re all about.

Kat Kim 0:18
Okay? Hello, everyone. I am a former crack addict and drug dealer facing three years in state prison turned a spiritual teacher leadership coach, I founded a school called the School of divine confidence. I am the person that will help you overcome your fears, blocks and shame. So you can step into that best version of yourself where you can truly make a difference.

Brandon Handley 0:43
I mean, you opened right up with it. I love that. So we’ll definitely get into it. So the way I like to start this off with to say like, you know, universe power, creative source, all that stuff speaks through us right and and our message is received to somebody out there in the audience today, it can only come through this medium. What is your message today?

Kat Kim 1:03
My message today is that each and every one of us has this indescribable, of limitless power that we have access to. And most of us give up, give that power away. Most of us give that power away to the outside world of circumstances and physical things and elections and all the madness. You know, pandemics out there. But I have defined divine confidence to be an having an unshakable faith and knowing who you are, and what you’re here to do, regardless of what’s going on in the world outside of you. And I really, truly believe that we all have access to that divine confidence.

Brandon Handley 1:48
100% Amen. Amen. I love I love to like the clear delineation of you have access to it. Right? Everybody’s got access to it. It is fairly innate. Right? But it’s like, you still it’s you just don’t know it until you access it. Right? Like, holy shit. This has been here the whole time. Yeah. And I love that you’ve got this Divinity School. Like I said, we have a lot in common. I too have a course on divinity. Right? Like, it’s just it’s straight up just called the divine framework. But why don’t you give me a little bit of what your divinity school teaches? You know, kind of how you landed on it, that kind of thing. Yeah,

Kat Kim 2:29
I Well, can I start with where I began?

Unknown Speaker 2:33
This would you man.

Kat Kim 2:36
Thank you. There’s a backstory to this. When I was six years old, my mother began feeding me diet pills. And this was kind of like the lifelong like the beginning of a lifelong struggle of low self confidence, horrible body image, no self worth, I was barely tall enough one day to, you know, put my hands on the kitchen counter. And I remember one day looking up at her. And she was cutting something at the kitchen, on the board on the cutting board. And I asked her, What are you doing? And she said, Well, these are diet pills. And these are for adults. And since you’re only a child, you only need to eat half of them. So she she continued to cut them. And I did not question her. I did not think there was something wrong with it. I just fully accepted in that moment that there was something wrong with me and my body and that I needed something outside of me in order to be okay. So I began to feel absolutely ugly, fat, unwanted and unworthy. All by the time I was in second grade, really. And my also grew up in a very emotionally and physically abusive environment. And I started rebelling at a really young age, I started doing started drinking and smoking at 13 doing hardcore drugs at 16. And by the time I was 18, I was dealing cocaine. And I was transporting it from Washington State to California. on the plane, this is pre 911 it was really easy to do this and not that I’m giving you guys ways to do it. But the way I did it was I just snuck the drugs inside of maxi pads. So it’ll be weird if

Brandon Handley 4:18
you did that. I pulled it off. But I mean, listen with these days and ages. I’d be like I identify as and and you know who’s gonna try and you know, you can’t you can’t fight that. Yeah, yeah.

Kat Kim 4:30
So, one day I got caught. I was arrested. I was handcuffed in Oakland, California, of all places. Oakland at that time was notorious for its high rates of homicides and violent crimes. Now, I was right there in the middle of that. And I was absolutely fearless. But it wasn’t the type of fearlessness that comes from courage. The root word of courage is courage, which is the heart. It didn’t come from there. It came from a place of having absolutely no reason. Guard from my life, my future my health, my body, I didn’t care. I didn’t give a damn what happened to me I was on the fast track of self destruction, I had no confidence, no self worth. And so while I was in jail, I was like, I want to network while I’m here, I’m in Oakland, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, you know, make some deals while I can. So

Brandon Handley 5:19
that’s like the central hub, right? All the people, you finally made it when you get to Oakland, right? You’re like, Hey, you know, I’m here, I made it. Home spa.

Kat Kim 5:32
Never thought of it that way. When it’s so true. I was like, I’m here in Oakland, I’m gonna make I’m gonna make the most of it as I can. So even while I was there, facing three years in state prison, I was like, I’m just going to try to make some drug deals while I’m here while I was here. While I was there. I pled guilty. During that time, I went to the part of my whole thing they give you know, they made me go to rehab for two years. Long story short, I cleaned up the drugs. But this feeling of not being good enough, having no self worth, no self value, stayed with me. It didn’t go anywhere. It was part of who I was. And so I started getting involved in really toxic relationships with men that were emotionally abusive. This entire time. Brandon, I hated the way I looked, I walked around like I was the meanest, nastiest bitch alive. And of course, because I believe that to be true about myself, I attracted everything into my life that validated those beliefs. And it really wasn’t until many years after getting out of jail cleaning up that I was walking down my apartment hallway one day, at that time, I was very, very depressed could barely even move. I remember one day I was trying to like lift my body off of the couch. And I couldn’t because it was like this dark energy pushing me down. Somehow, that particular day, I managed to get up, I was going somewhere I don’t even know where. And I was walking down my apartment hallway to my elevator. And there’s this mirror that hangs on the wall, top to like ceiling to floor, huge mirror. And walking down, I look up and I caught a glimpse of somebody standing in the hallway. And I see her in the mirror. And she’s just kind of really uncapped, and she’s wearing big baggy clothes, Her face is really swollen and puffy. And even while I was wallowing in my own toxicity at that time, I was depressed and, you know, essentially just hating life. I remember just looking at her and thinking, Oh, my God, at least I’m not that bad. And there was something about her, it wasn’t even just how she looked, it was this deep, dark energy that was coming from her that made me feel like my goodness, at least I haven’t gotten that far. And it hit me like a ton of bricks, there was nobody else in that hallway. There was nobody there. It was me, I had become so disconnected with who I wanted to be as a woman who I was being called to be and who I was being that I didn’t even recognize myself when I saw myself in the mirror. And finally, that was my wake up call. And this is you know, sounds overly dramatic. But this is literally how it happened. I walked into the elevator. And now you know, I’m facing that wall with the mirror so I can see myself in the mirror. And the elevator doors are closing in on me like this. And I said, This is the moment that I’m going to do whatever it takes to become the person that I want it to be.

Brandon Handley 8:25
No, I love that. Right? Like, even even if, even if, like you know, it sounds dramatic. That’s your moment that you chose. Right? That was your, your Pinnacle point, right? I think that. I think that when you recognize that too, as you as you’re going through it, you’re like, no, this is my shit. And this is what I’m gonna do. And here’s how I’m gonna do it. I don’t know how it’s gonna work out. I just know that I’m stepping into it, and I don’t fuck it. That’s it. Right. I’m done. I’m a high school dropout left that part out. And then the other part was, was when you went in. It’s not San Quentin, but I just wanna say San Quentin. Brooklyn, what do you want to Oakland? Was that from the bus ride after after? When you turn yourself in? Or was that something else? Did you know about that story? Oh, man. I poked around. I did.

Kat Kim 9:24
Yeah, that was that. Was that that? Was that? That one moment? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 9:29
Okay, so so i think i think that’s really key here. Because you are at like, this kind of desperate moment. But you’re also still very humane. Right? Like, so. For those of you that don’t know, you know, she got a bus driver and shovel for sniffing some coke on the side of the side of the road. Cops knock on their they bust the cop who’s a black guy. She’s Asian. And like, even in that time, you’re like, you’re like, Hey, I’m Asian. These biases should still look a mess out there. And you go in and you’re like, hey, by the way, this is my drugs. He had nothing to do with it. So you you kept him from getting into jail and you put yourself in a position and my guess is like, again, you’re kind of like, you’re juxtapose them between being this badass and being like, Well, I’m not gonna let that guy go and for me,

Kat Kim 10:14
yeah, it was it was a trip. So this was Yep. I got off the plane when one day. I had my drugs in tow. Pete feathers?

Brandon Handley 10:26
How much were you? How much were you? carting around? Just out of curiosity?

Kat Kim 10:29
Oh, um, I don’t even remember. But I remember at one point, I had a kilo, which is

Brandon Handley 10:35
a lot more than a little bit. Yeah,

Kat Kim 10:36
yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. I didn’t get caught with that kilos, though. That was,

Brandon Handley 10:42
that would have been longer than three. Yeah.

Kat Kim 10:44
It was longer. But that one day, I got off the airplane. got onto the shuttle bus. And you know, what, uh, what’s the I always fuck these words up? Like, these American idioms for birds of a feather flock together? Right? That’s, that’s it? Okay. Sure. Somehow, I ended up being the last person being dropped off. I’m sitting in the front with the driver. We somehow started. I mean, who starts talking about drugs? Well to druggies. They get together

Brandon Handley 11:14
in conversation.

Kat Kim 11:14
Yeah, somehow it just came up and and I was like, Oh, yeah, I have some cocaine. He was like, Oh, really. So he pulls over the the shuttle bus into the Oakland Hills. And I proceed to pull some cocaine out. He puts it into a piece of paper. He doesn’t really weird. I’ve never seen anyone smoke. Or, you know, sniff cocaine this way. It was just bizarre. Anyway, whatever, you know, you do you. So he, he pulls it out, he does it. And then right at that moment, there’s a flashlight that’s beaming in in the window. And it was two cops. Because very strange. There’s a random bus in the Hollywood Hills just parked there. And he, he literally got red caught red handed, it was in his hands, and he threw it on the floor. The cops pulled him out. And they arrested him. They told me to sit on, you know, outside on this rock. And I’m sitting there and I’m watching this whole thing unfold. And I’m like, Oh, my God, like, I’m gonna get away with this. And then what I did was I I’m gonna I better, I better walk, you know, so I pulled the rest of the cocaine that I had in my purse. And I saw it behind me in a rock behind the rock. I was like, I’m not gonna get caught with this. And as I’m watching this whole thing, unfold, all of a sudden, I get this, this voice in my head, and then it tells me the truth will set you free. And I’m like, the fuck are you? Seriously? You’re gonna you whoever you are. You’re gonna cut off all the time.

Unknown Speaker 12:46
Right? Yes, exactly. Now’s not the time.

Kat Kim 12:50
And I didn’t believe in God or spirit. I wasn’t even nothing. I wasn’t spiritual. At that time. I haven’t gone I

Brandon Handley 12:57
we I

Kat Kim 12:59
wasn’t high. Okay. Yeah, I was just a girl sitting there getting free, because all of a sudden, it came. And I just knew in that moment, it was God. But I would never admit that and not even tell the story for years and years and years and years. Because I didn’t believe in God, it would be weird for me to say God came and told me this. But at that time, I was just I just knew that God said, The truth will set you free. And I was like, fuck. So I called the two cops over and I told them, Hey, you got to let this guy go. Those drugs are mine. They were flabbergasted. They were like, What are you talking about? And I was like, no, they’re really mine. And, and I mean, the guy was already handcuffed and booked and put in the car. And they didn’t believe me. And so I went back into the behind the rock. I was like, Look, this stuff is mine. And then I was like, and there’s more in my luggage beside the car. And so there were they just were like, we you know, because there was one of the cops was like, You know what, I would let you go. But now there’s another cop with me. I can’t even we have to take you in. And that’s when I had all these like, I realized that kind of the inequity of the whole situation here I was Asian girl and there was, you know, a brown man, I’m like, he would have been fucked up and screwed. And I wasn’t being a martyr or anything like that. But I just knew that this was my journey. It was for me, all of that came to me in that moment that this is my journey. This was for me. It was not for him. And then I had to take ownership of this. So they arrested me and then they read me my Miranda rights, which is a whole nother thing. You you hear people you hear like the cool cop catching the bad guy on TV and movies and you hear the Miranda you know, the rights being read all the time. You know, you have the right to remain silent and whatever. But to hear it being read to us just bizarre. That was the most bizarre part.

Brandon Handley 15:00
I don’t want to say that I’ve heard it before, but I’ve heard it before. It’s very surreal. Right? It’s very

Unknown Speaker 15:05
surreal

Unknown Speaker 15:07
for me, thank you. So

Kat Kim 15:09
it was so weird. And they proceeded to book me and take me into, into sanguine. Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah. So that’s my, that’s my story there. And the funny thing of all that Brendon is like, I just, I wasn’t scared. In the cop car. I just knew that this was a journey made for me. And I wasn’t afraid of what was what was yet to come.

Brandon Handley 15:37
I mean, that’s cool, right? It’s, it’s cool in the sense that, you know, you just you put yourself out there, right? You were probably already still feeling this kind of Fuck it. I’m hard as hell does, you know, I’m Cat Cat Cat can pitch. Right? Right. And you’re like, you’re like, you know, you’re on in and you’re still like, you know, drug dealers, drug dealers, and you’re, you’re having your conversations, you’re still trying to network while you’re in there. Just because I mean, that’s just that’s just the nature of that space, right, the space that you were in. So what I’m curious about those I said, you go on for two years of rehab. That’s a long time for rehab. But what’s interesting is, to me is how you came out of it with a poor self image. Because in my mind, you know, if you if you go through two years of kind of like a rehab program, they should have this kind of building you back up as part of the program. And it doesn’t sound like that was there sounded like the only thing that they were there to do is to make sure that you don’t do drugs again.

Kat Kim 16:43
Yeah, yeah. Well, oh, there’s so many ways I could talk about this thing that you’re bringing up right now. Firstly, do I want to share this part of the story, okay. So I will might as well, as part of the program, you’re supposed to go to Narcotics Anonymous, and you know, you’re supposed to get signed off and all that. And I went to my first meeting, I went to two of them. And, again, I just had this sense of knowing like, this is not for me. And I do not advise anyone to do this. I’m not sharing this so that people will follow this. But I just, I just knew it wasn’t for me. So I didn’t go and I ended up forging the signatures. So I didn’t do that portion of it. And rehab was good for me because I had to not do drugs because I didn’t do pee tests every week. So I I cleaned up the drugs. But that feeling of not being good enough unworthy, unwanted, ugly, that that doesn’t go away, just because you go to rehab, as we all know, I mean, if that if it were that easy, then we wouldn’t have these issues with people in their in their addictions to whether it’s drugs or alcohol or shopping, whatever that is, the sense of not being good enough and unworthy. I took that on at a really young age. That was handed down to me from my parents, generational trauma, that type of thing. And that that is what stuck with me all through these years and into my adult life.

Brandon Handley 18:17
Yeah, you mentioned that as part of your culture too. Right. Like just kind of the same in your own culture. Right. Crane? Is that right?

Kat Kim 18:25
Yeah, yeah. So

Brandon Handley 18:26
just being you know, from generation to generation, there’s a you know, just a different sense of being and kind of what you have to live up to, in your heritage versus American slacker ism.

Unknown Speaker 18:36
Right?

Brandon Handley 18:38
Call it what it is, you know, y’all know about slacker ism. But um, so you’re still fighting like that kind of image. And then, you know, we’re working our way up to the Divinity School. But I know that there’s a couple other pieces in between this wants to go ahead and share kind of what happens after rehab, and you’re still fighting with your image.

Kat Kim 18:57
Yeah, so it’s that, you know, I’m getting involved in really toxic relationships with people. There’s just it was so so unhealthy. And it was that moment. Again, it was it wasn’t until that moment, I was walking down my apartment hallway, I saw that version of myself, that was not really me, but that had been living my entire life. And that was that moment where I decided I would do whatever it takes to become the woman that I wanted to be to be. I wanted to be beautiful. I want to be powerful. I wanted to make an impact and transform lives. And I wanted to walk into a room and have people notice me not forget that I ever existed, because that’s who that’s usually what would have happened at that time. And so, I began studying everything under the sun around transformation. I was so upset I became obsessed about transformation. So I became a professional certified image consultant, I began to study like colors and style. Like how do you accentuate the most beautiful part A person’s face and body instead of hiding yourself all the time. And then I became a nationally certified personal trainer to understand what the body goes through to undergo to undergo transformation. And this kept on taking me deeper and deeper. And then I became a transformative life coach, I studied three years about the mindset and you know how our thoughts and our feelings impact our, our behavior and our results. And interestingly, this quest for transformation on the outside kept taking me deeper and deeper inside into the world of spirituality, metaphysics and quantum physics, where I discovered that everything that we are seeking on the outside everything, whether it’s more money, better relationships, better health, all of that, all of that does not exist unless it exists on the inside, in the metaphysical world, beyond the physical within our minds and our hearts. And this is where I discovered that if we want something in the outside world, that thing is not going to happen unless we it’s within us unless we’re embodying that thing. That’s where I discovered where transformation happens the quickest and the easiest, and and then on another level, Brandon, it’s like this. I just because I was so obsessed about like finding the source of all things I discovered. Without knowing it. And without wanting this, I discovered that the source of all things is his spirit, or God, I

Brandon Handley 21:35
was gonna I was gonna try. I was gonna try and garble it out there. And you know, maybe I’ll have to, like beep it out or something. She gave us the answer, but nobody knows.

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 21:46
yes. Yes. Um, so, yes, yes. And yes. I love it. Right, like so. I’ll let you continue, then I’ll then I’ll then I’ll throw some more stuff at you.

Kat Kim 21:57
Yeah, yeah. Well, and this is what I discovered where divine confidence comes from. It’s an unshakable faith in knowing who you are and what you’re here to do, regardless of what’s going on in the world outside of you. That means regardless of how much money you have, regardless who the President is, regardless of a global pandemic, regardless of your past and your history, and all the mistakes and you know, things that you’ve done, divine confidence is is is this unshakable faith and knowing who you are and what you’re here to do. And this is why this is where I’ve committed myself to helping other women, other people like me go through that same transformation, and that’s where I founded the School of divine confidence. But I primarily work with people kind of like myself, non conformists, misfits, people who’ve always felt like they’ve had one side, one side.

Brandon Handley 22:48
So you, nonconformists, misfits, I was listening to you earlier today. And I thought at first I thought you said nonconformist mystics. I was like, well, that’s cool, too. Like, it could be nonconformist mistakes. I mean, yeah, I would have to say a mystic is a non conformance by like, you know, default, but like, why not like non conformance mistakes as well. So continue?

Kat Kim 23:08
spot on, spot on? Absolutely. Yeah. All of the above? Um, yeah, you know, I work I work with people who’ve always felt like they’ve had to fit in, but they don’t, and they’re always trying to conform, but they can’t. Those are the people that I love. And I actually call my people, misfits and mutants. Because when, when one time one of my clients called me Professor X, and he said, You are like Professor X, you you see what, you know, the the gift in people, but you only work with mutants, like that. So spot on.

Unknown Speaker 23:44
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 23:44
I get it. You know, I think that’s got to be the deal is it’s funny, you know, so my kind of my five words or whatever kind of value prop or whatever, you whatever you want to do with it marketing? Or just my words, right? It’s courage like understanding and and really those people that don’t fit in it’s because like, is it their soul contract that like, I mean, sounds to me, like you never really found like your space, right? But that’s because like, the space that’s been set out there is like a space of conformity. And you’re just like, yeah, it doesn’t fit. It sucks to be sitting on the outside, but in the end, I’m super glad I never fucking made it aim. Yeah, right. Like, I mean, I’m a high school dropout as well. That’s something I don’t think that I’ve shared yet. On this audience had my fair share of drugs in hand and sold my fair share, but I mean, look, you know, it’s also like you say, who we were yesterday, and all those years before it says that’s not like my growth trajectory. I’m like, Yeah, that’s it was fun. I you know, I can never tell you that I didn’t have a good I had a great fucking time. I had a blast. Had some moments of tears and shit that sucked. Yeah, but like, I mean, that just comes with any territory that you run up against. But then you talk about mindset coach like becomes like doing this mindset coaching. Can we say that? Going through your debating course even though we haven’t talked about it yet just based off of kind of how I run mine is like, divinity is a mindset. Right? Once you tap into the divine, you’re like, well, like that’s that’s spirit. That’s source. That’s all encompassing. That’s infinite. Yeah. I think I’m gonna be alright. Yeah, right. Like the whole the whole the whole, like, I’m gonna get my worries over to God even though I like I’m not a Christian. I’m like, I buy into that. Like I’m like, Yes. So the subconscious you talk about it covers 95% of like, all of our stuff, right? Not to mention, pumps, our blood grows our hair. Yeah, there’s all this stuff. I don’t know how that works. Yeah, I’m doing it. And if I can do this, yeah, what else am I capable of? Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, cuz I’m like, whatever. So um, but everybody has that open to them. So I’m curious. You know, I want to hear you talk. And this just could be me like I hear thinking grow rich. I hear Bob Proctor in the background. Huh? Do I Do you? Are you thinking grow rich and Bob Proctor fan at all? Any of those?

Unknown Speaker 26:25
I will.

Brandon Handley 26:27
I hear you say like burning desire and stuff like that, like, you know,

Kat Kim 26:30
oh, you know, that’s I read thinking grow rich. I read that a long time ago. For sure. I know, Bob Proctor? Um,

Brandon Handley 26:40
who are your favorite? Like, who are your big teachers that made you like really? Get it? Like when was like the moment like you? You talked about being like, here’s your my drugs. I’m hiding behind the rock guys. I’m like, Hey, I’m in your head. You’re like, not right now. Not today. But you’re like, I’m not gonna tell anybody that it’s God. When were you able to say you know, comfortably? Hey, I’ve had conversations with God. And that’s all spirit. And what got you there?

Kat Kim 27:04
So that’s good question. Because at that time, I didn’t even believe I didn’t know that.

Brandon Handley 27:09
Yeah. So when when did you When did you say all right? Okay, fine. I’ll let people know. Right? We’re seeing each other. I’m saying, God.

Kat Kim 27:18
When did I come out of that God closet? Right. Yeah. Um, so I began, like really diving into spiritual studies over 10 years ago, you know, yeah, I read, thinking Grow Rich, I read all the books, I read all the books, you know, law of attraction, and Esther Hicks and all that. But I started to really, really dive even deeper about five years ago, there’s been a while maybe we’ll save this for another podcast episode. But there was another thing, a big huge ship that just shit hit the fan in my life on another level, during that time. And I literally was brought to the ground on my knees. at a certain time in my life, when I knew I was absolutely powerless. And I had nothing. There was nothing I can do. And the only thing I could do was finally just like, like you said earlier, actually, you hit the nail on the head, like surrender. I the only thing I can do right now is to surrender to this thing. I don’t know if you’re out there, God, but this is you know, it’s so fucked up right now. It’s almost funny. Here. Just take it it was

Brandon Handley 28:24
this, right? Yeah,

Kat Kim 28:24
it was almost like that it got to that point where it was. There’s almost like a freedom to it. I didn’t know whether it was gonna work or not. But I think that was actually the key. I was like, yeah, it can’t get any worse than this.

Unknown Speaker 28:39
Well,

Brandon Handley 28:41
it didn’t turn out that way. For you. That’s good. Right? You know, the deal is, though, is like you you handed it over without expectations, right? You handed it over, and you’re like, you know what, I absolutely surrender. I’m not doing such a good job with this by myself. Right? And I’d like to say like, you know, I definitely want to talk more about your school divinity. But like, you know, once you kind of, you know, we act as humans before, before we access this source energy in this space, right? We act as human and we deal with all these worldly things, right? And you hear all the time again, not like a super huge Bible guy, but like, you know, you can’t do it through worldly means you like, and then you’re like, but I could do it through spiritual means. Yeah, right. I could do it through like metaphysical means. And then you also talked about like, you know, kind of this level of success, you’ve got to have a level of belief that you can actually achieve that and well, if I look at my history of just Brandon and what have I achieved by myself, right? Maybe not all that I want to achieve I can do by myself. So if I just go ahead and I take in a little bit of God a little bit of divinity and then what am i capable of right like what what can we you know, we can go down like you know, the The Wizard of Oz, right, like arm and arm like skipping down the yellow brick road. Right, like, then we’re done. We’re a trio and then there’s like a time team of us doing something versus Brandon, the human and his worldly ways?

Kat Kim 30:04
Well, yeah, so check this out this Oh, this is I remember now clearly what the turning point for me when I went from spiritual mainstream law of attraction to

Unknown Speaker 30:15
Yes, yeah next level

Kat Kim 30:17
to the next level. One of the things that that one of the handful of things that was happening for me at that time was my niece got arrested for the same crime. on another level like she updated me. I was like, Oh, look at you. Same drugs, more of it more serious. And almost in the same area of Northern California. And her bail was $1 million. And I just became frantic. I was like, Oh, my God, I have to get her out of there. I don’t know what to do. The bill was at $1 million. It was a very, very difficult time for me. Like I said, though, that was just one of the things. There was a couple other things that was happening. I’ll just say it my dad, I discovered my dad had a gambling addiction. And we were $250,000 in debt. So there was like things happening.

Brandon Handley 31:10
So you so you called us just so it sounds like Yeah. And then and then I mean, I don’t mean I don’t mean to like call it out. But again, with with their culture to compounding that.

Kat Kim 31:21
Yeah, exactly. Hush, Hush. Nobody talks about it, don’t anybody. I mean, so much shame wrapped in all of these things. And I got to the point, like I said, where I was like, I don’t, I can’t, there’s nothing I can do. I can’t stop my father from gambling. There’s nothing I can do about my knees. I don’t have a million fucking dollars, by the way. Right? So I went to that part. Yeah, I went to my spiritual center, I started going to a spiritual center at that time, almost as everyday, as much as I could, because I needed some sort of sanctuary. And they had a prayer box. And the spiritual leader at that time said, if you need a prayer, you know, put remote Don’t forget, don’t forget to put a prayer in the prayer box, I thought was bullshit. I walked by it. It wouldn’t hurt. I have nothing else to do except for wallow in my pity and my anger right now. So I wrote on a little tiny piece of paper. I need a million dollars or I wrote something like my nieces. And you know, her bail is $1 million. I need help. Please pray for me. I don’t know what to do. I wrapped it up and put it in the prayer box. Lo and behold, that $1 million bail, it went down to 500,000. And then they wanted me to appear in court. I went to court with my brother, my brother’s daughter. And while we were at court, they brought that $1,500,000 to 020.

Brandon Handley 32:53
That’s awesome, right like me. So that’s it. That’s and and so were you at a level where you could look at it that way yet.

Kat Kim 33:01
I was beginning to see. What was that? If that’s not an answered prayer, I don’t know what what is. And this will happen in a very short amount of time. It wasn’t like I put this prayer and the prayer box. And then a year later, it was like I put the prayer in there. And then six weeks later, boom, that $1 million went to zero. And of course, who knows what I don’t know the legalities of all of whatever. But in my mind, it was that the burden of $1 million that was lifted from my shoulders. And I was like

Brandon Handley 33:38
you said I think that’s the thing too, right? Like, it doesn’t matter what it looks like from the outside. That’s been your experience. And you know what, like, I mean for somebody to be like, well, that’s coincidence. Oh, that’s just the way the law works. You’d be like, Yeah, but I put a prayer and a prayer box. Maybe you didn’t catch that. Right. And so I think I think that’s the other thing that I want to chat with you a little bit about too, right? Because again, so let’s see high school dropout drugs, bad choices, bad choices.

Unknown Speaker 34:08
And then

Brandon Handley 34:11
you know, I ended up having my family and had a little epiphany in the middle there as us come along but before I came into this podcast and this base literally just in this past year I was doing something called the prosperity practice right like based off it based off the Esther Hicks game right have $100 in your pocket and yada yada and it was I was very very seldom what they want give them what they need, right like because everybody everybody you talk about this I want to talk about to the the spiritual consumerism right but like everybody just wants like, you know, everybody wants all the stuff but like they don’t want the rest of the shit that goes with it. I don’t I still I’d love to hear more on that but I was like, you know what I was like I’m hiding behind the saying and it’s much more than just like this law of attraction and even when I was doing it, mine was more along the lines of Like neville goddard and like some of these other people, right, like, yeah. And then I just fucking, I just, I just let it go. I was like, you know what I was like, I was like this, it’s all spiritual. To me. It’s all like, that’s what it is. And I’m gonna lead with spirituality, and see where it goes. And ever since I did it, like it’s just blown up. I mean, nobody reached out to me when I was in prosperity practice, you’ve reached out to me, people reach out to me, like left and right to be on spiritual dope. And it’s just like, so it’s just like, it’s like, it’s fucking crazy, right? Because now, like, when you’re like, in alignment with spirit and your purpose, and yourself then just starts to happen. And you’re like, Well,

Kat Kim 35:38
yeah,

Brandon Handley 35:39
where’s this coming from? Right? That was the other piece I want to ask you to was like, um, you know, when you talk about your, your divinity school, right and and getting into is there is there a piece in there where it’s, you’ve got the self confidence, and all that is there a piece in there where you delve into purpose as well?

Kat Kim 35:59
Oh, 100%, it’s all it’s all purpose. It’s all purpose. And that’s part of the framework where I help people, I just want to teach give my students the skills to know how to reach their own divine confidence at any given moment at any given time. And I think that’s the, you know, the false belief that our purpose is something is a one time thing. And that it’s something that we, you know, our purpose is going to be this thing that we do for the rest of our life. And, and that’s actually not the case. That’s, that’s the opposite of spirituality. Spirituality is being in the moment and the here and the now and being present to the gifts and what’s whatever is wrong with you. In this moment, as we know, there’s no, there’s no, if you’re regretting the past and your future tripping, then you’ve, you’ve missed the point of this present moment. So, you know, part of one of the things that I teach is that your purpose is not in the future. It’s right here, it’s right now. And if you can, if you can, if you know how to ground into that and become present to that, what else do you need, and just like you shared, like, once you, you know, align with that, then everything unfolds naturally and easily. And that’s what I think a lot of people, most people have a hard time grasping. It’s that surrendering and letting go of having your their hands in all the details and having to know how everything is going to happen with us, because how it looks on the outside. Right, exactly.

Brandon Handley 37:26
So so what you see on the outside, you see other people doing on the outside? That’s, you know, I can use some examples, like when you know, what, are still working sales. When I see historically, like people like acting frantically, it’s always going to be frantic for that person, right? Like, yeah, that person is always on fire, this person is always this way, this is always going to happen for that person. Because we talked you talked about earlier, like, you know, your level of belief is, oh, I have to do it this way. This is the way I’ve had success before. If I don’t metal the whole time, then it’s just not gonna happen for me. Right. But like, it doesn’t have to be you. Yeah, as a matter of fact, it’s not you. It’s maybe maybe it’s initiated through you, but like, you work with a team, most likely of other people. Yeah, you don’t have to, you know, be on them. But again, you’re, if you’re tapped into your purpose, and you’re live with that, and you’re, you’re, you’re you’re rolling with Jesus, or whatever, you know, whatever you’re doing, right, and you’re tapped in the source, and you can kind of step back for a second and let it like, gently unfold and it will. Yeah, but try telling somebody that. Yeah,

Kat Kim 38:36
well, that’s part of, you know, that’s part of kind of this toxic masculinity energy that we’ve all been kind of fed into what I mean by that there’s the masculine, and there’s the feminine, and they’re both equally beautiful and powerful, right? But when the masculine energy is about, like, you know, is very linear. It’s taking action, it’s finding something and moving towards it. Regardless, the feminine energy is about allowing, it’s about letting it’s about being right. The masculine energy is about volition. So you see something, you go for it. So in this world right now, we that’s it’s become toxic, where we’re meaning we’ve taken everything, and we’ve turned it into something that we have to set a goal and we have to make it happen, regardless of who gets harmed in the way

Brandon Handley 39:26
out of success. You’re not a success if you set a goal and achieve it. Right.

Kat Kim 39:32
Exactly, exactly. So now we’ve we’ve all been conditioned to believe that that’s the only way and the one way that we achieve success that we have to set that goal, we have to go for it. We have to power through it, just do it. I mean, we see it all over in marketing, but we see this now in our government, we see this in extractive capitalism, we see this, you know, and what I mean by extractive capitalism going for, like reaching, you know, revenue goals, regardless of who gets harmed in the way we go. So the natural resources that we demolish along the way, so it’s this, it’s not a person, it’s not a it’s not a political party. It’s just the collective energy that we’ve all kind of we’ve all been part of, and we’ve all molded into. And spirituality has also been kind of swept into that as well. And that’s where I came to see that. Even spirituality can be toxic when it’s just about what do I want to manifest? How much money in the big house and all of that? And what what, how am I going to think positive, and bypass all the issues that come along with this type of lifestyle, not going to talk about that, but I just want to create the life that I want. And I’m going to use spirituality to do it. And now I’m spiritual.

Brandon Handley 40:49
And that’s true, right. But I mean, again, like there’s, it’s funny, my wife and I were talking earlier, like there’s a different level two, where it sounds like you’ve achieved right, like you’ve gone through, you know, you’ve gone through that phase, right? Like, it sounds like you went through that phase with like, you know, Esther Hicks and law of attraction, right? And But you came out on like, the other end of it, right? Where we’re sure it’s okay to want. But the idea to, you know, want a want without attachment to the outcome, right? Like, yeah, I’d love this to happen, right? This would be great. I’m gonna go work towards it. But I’m totally cool. If it doesn’t turn out the way I envisioned it. Right, it could and then maybe accepting that outcome, right, like the outcome they come in, came out pretty cool. Right? Or just being like, Alright, we’re gonna try a different way. Right. But not getting caught up in that?

Kat Kim 41:43
Yeah. Well, that’s what I was gonna say. But the problem is, is most people are attached, doesn’t

Brandon Handley 41:47
it? Yeah. 100% Yeah, yeah. But you know, that’s, that’s the same thing as even even creating a goal, the challenge because people are like, they’re afraid to share what they even want, even writing it on paper to themselves, because they’ve always been taught, Hey, you got enough, you should be happy. You’re, you know, even some of your words, right? You should be lucky, you got what you got. Right? Like, and, and, and that kind of thing. So. So now it’s like, but I want a little bit more, but everybody says I can’t?

Kat Kim 42:16
Yeah, well, it’s totally mixed messages. There’s that part where you should be happy with what you have. And then there’s the the overarching message that we receive from all the marketing out there and the consumer culture that actually, you need to do more and more and more and more and more and more, so that we get mixed messages. And I think the key here, Brandon, is that, again, design confidence means taking your focus away from that outside world, this is the practice of spirituality, taking your focus away from the outside world going inwards, and really digging in very deep into and finding out what actually do you want in your heart of heart? What is your heart’s desire. And that’s where the connection to your real source and to your true calling actually is right there. And that’s the thing that’s hard for people to do is to disconnect from social media, seeing all these Instagram posts of people who have all the money and all the cool pictures, and really going into to find out what actually Are you being called into? What is your true true, true good in this moment?

Brandon Handley 43:22
So how do you find yours? By

Kat Kim 43:24
that process?

It’s it’s a constant process. It’s like,

Brandon Handley 43:29
were you listening, Brandon?

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Yeah, hello. Oops.

Kat Kim 43:35
Um, but something important about that, let me answer this is like, I have to find it again. And again, and again. Because I’m, I am, I am part of that culture as well. I have, you know, I’m on social media, I see all the things I’m not free from that. I want all the money’s, okay, I want all the things,

Brandon Handley 43:53
all the things, right,

Kat Kim 43:54
I want all of it. I want all of it. And I see people who have more than me, and I’m like, fucking a, why don’t I have that? And then it’s that reminder. Well, let’s, let’s go back in, you know, and that’s that process of reclaiming my personal power, and my divinity. And that process is about letting go of that attach to the

Unknown Speaker 44:13
outside world.

Brandon Handley 44:14
So what is your What is your process and you know, to attach to divinity, right, like, how do you help somebody uncover that for themselves?

Kat Kim 44:21
Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s like, um, you know, the questions that I asked, well, there’s, there’s first I asked you, you know, like, first you have to get really clear on what what’s not working in your life? You know, what are your biggest challenges? What are you Where do you suffer the most? What’s the thing that you keep coming up against? Most people are trying to run away from that, but I want to say no, that’s actually here to show you. If this is not the thing you want, what is the thing you want? What? So that’s how I guide people if this is what you don’t want. Let’s use that to point us in The direction of what you actually want. But once you figure out what you want, it’s not the tangible thing of it. It’s the essence of it. So for example, if you want a big home, and you want to be able to come home and take care of your family, and you want your own space, okay, that’s great. That’s the physical representation of it. But what is the essence of that thing?

Unknown Speaker 45:23
For you, like,

Brandon Handley 45:24
why is that? What what what what does that represent to that person? Is that what you’re saying?

Kat Kim 45:29
Yeah, what is the essence of the physical, tangible thing that we want, when we can get to the essence of it? So for example, if we’re getting to the essence of that big house, maybe it’s connection with your family, maybe it’s family, that is the thing that you’re actually craving. That’s that inward journey, we’re so focused on the thing and not the essence of it. Looking at it, the essence of it, that’s the calling that’s God, that’s the way God is showing up for you in the the essence of it, know how to process it. Outside of the tangible.

Brandon Handley 45:58
Yeah, even even on the outside, even, even during Look, I’m not that deep into my journey, right? Like, I think I’m like, three years in, but I took the accelerated course. The meditation, you know, has been something big for me. And usually when I do like, meditation, I’m big fan, I love headspace. And he’s always like, you know, go to like, the, you know, make that light edges of, you know, how far can you expand it? I’m like, as the universe bro, let’s go, right, like, you know, right outside and riding that edge, right? Because that’s where the creation is, right? Like this, in my mind anyways, but then even just today are inside is just as infinite as the outside, right? Like, you know, random epiphanies are inside. But that’s what it was, like, you know, I spent a little bit of time digging around inside and meditating and reflecting on the inside. But if you think about it, it’s just as infinite as all the rest of the universe. And so I spent some time there.

Kat Kim 47:01
Yeah. And if you think about it, it’s like, all of all of God or spirit, whatever name you have for it. All of God is in you just as much as it is in the universe. All of God is in the tip of this pen that I’m showing you right now, as it is, is a new God doesn’t get split around. And in, you know, allocate 10% here

Brandon Handley 47:26
20% here, right? It’s like the sunshine, right? Like, they’re the sun’s out there. He’s not like, everybody can go step out and get as much sun as you can today. Right? Like, I mean, it’s, it’s, there’s no allocation to it outside, like no shade, whatever. But I mean, essentially, like, everybody gets the same amount of sun. It’s like infinite, there’s more than we can use and that kind of thing. Just the same as like you’re saying, hey, gods, like, there’s there’s more than you can use feel?

Kat Kim 47:49
More than more than enough, more than enough. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 47:54
So that’s fun, right? What do you want to go What’s next?

Kat Kim 48:01
Oh, well, hmm. You know, I think the interesting part of all this is yet like, you know, I was on this spiritual journey, manifesting things teaching people how to manifest and then and then it was like, I went to this kind of dark night of the soul again on I do that a lot. Dammit.

I need to cut those down.

Brandon Handley 48:24
Here’s the thing. I don’t know that I’ve had any, you know, so like, I’m almost jealous, but I’m not. Like I was like, dark night of the soul. But I’m like, I’m not gonna pass. I’m cool.

Kat Kim 48:36
No, they suck. But yeah, you should just pass but I um, you know, this is now I started going to my spiritual center, I did the prayer and the prayer box got obsessed with this thing called God and prayer.

Brandon Handley 48:52
What kind of spiritual center was it by the way,

Kat Kim 48:54
it’s called science of mind the centers for spiritual living. It’s a philosophy of thought that really combines it goes into the golden thread of all spiritual traditions and essentially boils it down to that we are all one and we all come from one source. And it’s it wasn’t recognized it didn’t it wasn’t trying to be a religion, but it became a religion is now officially recognized as a religion as of maybe five years ago or so. And I started just really going deeply its study of mysticism, essentially. And I became licensed as a spiritual practitioner took me three, three years to do that. And I learned about our connection to source and you know, the power of prayer and I read all these cool books. It was just like, it was like, law of attraction on crack.

Brandon Handley 49:48
Yes. It’s like it’s a it’s a you know, it’s more than a force multiplier, right. Like it’s and and I love you know, I love that you bring up drugs right? Because Here’s the deal to like, how would you define the difference between you know, being cracked out or high versus having a spiritual high?

Kat Kim 50:15
Well,

Unknown Speaker 50:18
I don’t know. I mean, one of

Unknown Speaker 50:19
I mean,

Kat Kim 50:20
one’s gonna fuck you up physically. I mean, as your I mean, the reason I’m, I’m trying to go back to my days of smoking crack and all that I’m like, the only thing that I can you’re kind of giving me like, what do you call it when you have like a craving? I’m having a moment where I’m like, oh, that would be really nice if I could smoke.

Brandon Handley 50:44
Right there. I mean, crack wasn’t my thing. But like, yeah, definitely, like, I’m always like, you know, I did, did the party scene right back in the day, like the rays and dance and all that stuff. And I’m always like, Man, you know, I wouldn’t mind a couple pills and some acid. It’s just gonna dance,

Kat Kim 51:00
acid, ecstasy, cocaine, all of this. Yeah, you’re making me feel like oh, that would be

Brandon Handley 51:13
the question was question was is, you know, when when you think about it, right? And your connection to spirituality versus that same ethereal high that you get when on drugs, right. So you get that you get that kind of high when you’re on drugs. But then there’s the kind of high when you get when you’re in spirit to aka spiritual dope, right? Like right now. That’s where spiritual doubt comes from, like, get your head in spiritual dope, because like, you can have this. So how would you define the difference between the two?

Kat Kim 51:39
Really good question. Um, so here are the here the similarities that I am that I’m putting together that I have never really thought of it because no one’s asked me that question. And this is really important for people to know who are on a spiritual journey. So when you do drugs, as you know, you get high, and then you you have that crash, you crash afterwards. And it really, really sucks depending on the drug that you do and how much it’s I mean, you’re out for days. The same thing is with spiritual highs as well. And I think that’s the thing, a lot of people who are on a spiritual journey, they’re seeking this, the eternal high. Like, once they get there to some sort of Nirvana that they’re gonna stay there. And then when they dip, you know, when they crash, that they’re doing spirituality wrong. And I want to tell you, actually, it’s, it’s still it’s all part of that journey. And that’s the part the dip, you know, the crashing the part where you don’t feel good about yourself, the where the part where you are confused, and there’s darkness. I, I would want people to know, and this is what I teach in the school, divine confidence, too, is that there’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with being there. It’s all part of the journey. And trying to go for that peak and that high. And dismissing everything else as not being spiritual and doing it wrong. That’s where that’s where you get fucked up. Because now now you’re trying to constantly seek for that hot, you’re a fucking drug addict. Damn it.

Brandon Handley 53:10
is. And then and then the deal is, though, is this like? Yeah. But I could think of worse habits.

Unknown Speaker 53:19
I know.

Brandon Handley 53:22
That so so. But that’s a great call out right. I mean, I probably hadn’t thought about it. And that that in that fashion before the coming down from spirituality, and then feeling like I’m doing it wrong, right, or getting caught up in it. I’d have to think about it right. But I mean, so so you would liken it to at least kind of coming down parts of it right? Where you where you have your highs, and then would you liken it to also like if you have a large spiritual high or an ongoing spiritual high, then there’s going to be a substantial recovery period.

Kat Kim 54:01
I think there’s always going to be highs and lows to everything that that’s the eternal spiritual truth. And in my Buddhism practice, I practice, the passion of meditation, and all of that the personal meditation is centered around this one law, which is the law of impermanence. Meaning that all things arise and all things fall. And if you look out in nature, in the nature, you know, the seasons arise and fall, plants and trees arise and fall. Humans are life. We live we grow, we grow strong, and then we decline and then we die. Everything our emotions arise and fall, our cravings arise and they fall. Where suffering happens is when we get attached to one thing arising and staying there. Or one thing going away falling and staying there. That’s where suffering happens is that we want something to stay the same or change but The truth of all things in all of life and all of nature is that they, they arise and then they fall. So when we can accept that, then we can accept even, okay, let’s, let’s continue to use the analogy of drugs, for example, that craving. That, that, that that sense of like that craving for a drug, you know, or any food, or having sex or anything that drives pleasure. You know, the truth is, that sensation is going to arise and if we allow it, it will fall, it will go away. And if, you know, if we’re really practicing spirituality, if we become aware, then we can just simply observe that craving come up, and we can watch it go away. But, you know, we most people can’t, right, they want to react, they’re reacting to that craving. Well, I

Unknown Speaker 55:51
think I think that to

Brandon Handley 55:54
that, that that takes practice, right, catching yourself, right where you know, you know, making the conscious choice right you know, awareness of all things not just like your spirituality awareness of Oh, that’s a craving Oh, that’s a you know, whatever. I think that’s huge. I like it. what’s what’s hot in your world right now? Like what what are you working on that? You think people should come check out your school? Is there anything else going on? Yeah,

Kat Kim 56:19
I got this school going on right now. It’s called the school divine confidence. But what I’ve just recently launched it’s as this is what be my second episode is uncertain.

Brandon Handley 56:30
sermon. Yeah. I’m

Unknown Speaker 56:31
serving.

Unknown Speaker 56:33
La.

Kat Kim 56:34
Yeah, it’s a it’s a weekly uncertain where I share a life story, a spiritual lesson, a rant, a sermon on whatever topic to keep us affirmed and galvanized on our spiritual journey, but it’s really about deconditioning decolonizing undoing, right? And conditioning uncertain. And

Brandon Handley 56:58
I love it. I love it. What what brought that about for you?

Kat Kim 57:03
Going back to what you and I started off with his I just found this passion for talking about spirit and God, but I’m not religious, I’m not religious. So

Brandon Handley 57:13
is your is your God, like, tell us about your God? I’m curious,

Kat Kim 57:16
oh, my God, my God is my god swears all the time. My God is like, very passionate by God is a thing. It’s an experience. And it’s something that I can call upon at any time. It’s not this thing that I have to pray for, or pray to is just this, this, this, it’s an energy, it’s a vibration, I call it God vibration. And, and the more that I access that, that just the easier that all things become. And the more I study it, the mysticism, metaphysics, when I, the more I study, the source of all things, is just mind blowing, to know and to really understand that oh, my God, I am that source of all things. So that’s, that’s what this exploration of uncertain is, is, is a different idea and relationship of God and what we can and what’s possible with that?

Brandon Handley 58:17
That’s great. It’s great. I love that you’re, you know, you’re taking it out, right, you’re bringing it to the people. And and you’re doing it in your own way based off your experiences. So that’s great. Thank you so much. So where am I gonna send people to go kind of hang out with you?

Kat Kim 58:31
Yeah, so I do these. Yeah, I do the weekly uncertain. I do them live every week in my facebook group. It’s called The Confident leadership community. So come on, join me in there. I’ve got free training going on. I’ve got things to offer you. Come say hi, I’d love to see you.

Unknown Speaker 58:47
Sweet. Who’s your ideal client?

Kat Kim 58:50
My ideal client is the person who just knows in their bones that they are being called to do something important, but they feel stuck. They’re uncertain. They feel that the thing that they want to do is impossible. It’s the non conformists, the misfit. It’s the mutant out there.

Brandon Handley 59:07
Somebody who knows they’ve got power but hasn’t figured out how to control it and is afraid to share

Kat Kim 59:12
Yep, yeah, to come out and be who they really are someone who’s always been trying to fit in and they realize oh my god, this isn’t working for me.

Brandon Handley 59:19
Sweet Why, thank you so much for coming on today. Kat can really appreciate

Unknown Speaker 59:24
ya. Thanks for having me, Brandon.

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Be sure to connect with Anthony over at his website here: https://www.anthonymeindl.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Anthony mondo. He is an award winning director, writer, actor, acting coach, entrepreneur, author and inspirational speaker. As an acting teacher. He’s known for revolutionising a more modern understanding of acting training. He found it Anthony mine does actor workshop in 1998 and now has the largest scene studio study studio in Los Angeles and locations and nine other cities around the world, New York, London, Vancouver, Toronto, Atlanta, Santa Fe, Sydney, Chicago and Cape Town. As a filmmaker Anthony has received a number of awards and acclaim. His latest feature film, where do we go from here is available on Hulu. The film premiered at outfest won Best Screenplay award at q films Long Beach and the Jury Award at nycs East Village queer Film Festival. He’s the author of five books, including the bestsellers at left brain turn right and book the fucking job. his memoir, you knew when you were to release in September, which I got? Yeah, that’s how we connected. And thanks for being here. I’m super excited.

Anthony Meindl 1:09
Yeah, my gosh, I was like gonna fall asleep during that intro Jesus. My Suppose,

Brandon Handley 1:17
you know, I had to cut some things out. I was like, I was like, is this gonna I wanted to include though your I wanted to include? For sure your you know your film, right? Because I think that’s, that’s pretty big. Right. And that’s got to feel good. Especially going through your memoir, it’s got to feel really good for you to have that out and have won those awards.

So yeah, thanks for being here.

Anthony Meindl 1:38
Well, thanks for having me, Brandon. Like, I mean, I don’t know how spiritually dope I’m going to be today. But I will try to be my dopest. And we’ll

Brandon Handley 1:45
find out we’ll find out. Yeah, so how I like to start these right is, you know, universe speaks to us, right. And this podcast amplifies what we’re saying. And there’s gonna be one specific listener out there today, that’s going to hear the message coming from you. That’s through source. What is it?

Anthony Meindl 2:08
What’s the message? Yeah. You know, I think acceptance is really a very strong word. And really is to me, the walk, we’re all walking on life, right? Like, because in life, because at the end of the day, there’s nothing else right? Even if we fight against, like, we can use COVID as an example, even if we fight against COVID it is what it is. And it’s here. And, you know, if everybody looks at their own journey, the things that they’ve maybe railed against, or fought against, is oftentimes like a misuse of energy because, or maybe it’s necessary then to get to that place of surrender, or acceptance or letting go or, you know, so I think that the, the point that life is often trying to show us is how do we exist with what is and fighting against it is what causes a lot of suffering. When I’m not, you know, when I teach, or I talk about these things, I’m not saying I’m the master of it. I mean, I definitely know these things, more than just being concepts. I do practice them in my life, but I get triggered and challenged. And it’s it is also what it is, you know, I went for a walk yesterday, and I heard a little girl, she was like, near her fence, and she just shouted, Let it go, let it go. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is a sign from the universe because I was in my head about stuff. And I was like, This, is it accepting and letting go letting these burdens go? They’re a burden, because we make them so often, you know what I mean?

Brandon Handley 3:42
Absolutely not. I love it. Right. So acceptance and surrender, I think are some of the big ones there. And the idea of COVID is here, right? Like this is this is what are you going to do about it? Right? And if you don’t have an impact, like, if you can’t impact it, then just just let it be. Right. So let’s, let’s dig in to your, well, you know, what, actually, to it reminds me of one of the lines in your books to write of the I guess there was some, you know, spiritual master, who was a master, but he’s like, I don’t want to die. Right, right. Like and so just like you’re saying, like, even even though you are, you know, novice Dave itches, right? Like, hey, you know, everybody’s fine. And I feel good, but there’s still gonna be the days that you get angered. So talk to us a little bit about that. So knowing that, you know, all these things, but still feeling these other feelings.

Anthony Meindl 4:36
Yeah, you know, also burning Can I just I want to say one other thing about acceptance, because sometimes when people hear that they might mistake. The first meaning of that to them might mean Oh, well, that just means we’re supposed to accept injustice or accept. You know, people dying of COVID No, no, no, it’s not about inactivity. It’s not About inaction. It’s not about pretending that something isn’t there. It’s really about having this awareness that I think the point about acceptance is we have these constructs in our mind constantly about what we think life should be. And in particular what our lives should be, when I get married, it will be this, when I get successful, it will be that or today, I should be having this because I want blah, blah, blah. And then when that doesn’t happen, it creates so much strife and internal and sometimes external conflict, right. And so a more Buddhist understanding of acceptance, when I say that word is understanding that this is what it is. And then from this point, how do we invite that thing in to be a part of something that we also have to deal with? Because it’s happening? I actually think it’s the rejection of things that cause us to be in so much pain, right? Like, whether it’s the social justice movement, or things that we climate change, things that we have not addressed, eventually are going to make us contend with these things. So I just want to make sure that acceptance doesn’t mean like, pass this pass entity. And I think that also leads to the question just asked is, like, I think, I think we battle our ego. And I think that ego is necessary. It’s part of what gives us the distinction of being in this body. But we also are something other than I always love the iceberg analogy, right? Like two thirds of the iceberg is under the water that we don’t see. And we only see a third of that. And so that’s like, maybe comparable to ego, right? Like we were missing the the soul of the spirit that is hidden from us. And so we’re operating from just what we see all the time.

Brandon Handley 6:50
Well, yeah, it’s funny, you bring that up? Because that’s it exactly. I think I had this conversation twice, yesterday, once with my wife and another with a client. Just the whole iceberg analogy. I mean, one part, right, you don’t see all the all the struggle that goes into what’s on the exterior. Also, you know, the reverse thing being happiness precedes happiness. Right? So like, what’s inside here? shows up outside there, right? But from the outside, say, you’re looking at me, and you’re like, you know, he’s got all the things. And he did it by those actions. But that’s not really it wasn’t those actions. It was like the intention behind those actions. It was, you know, the thoughts and the feelings, right? That kind of built up to all those. But I love I love though, you know, acceptance is not passive, right? acceptance is, like you’re saying invited in. And I also like, the idea of the the things that we’re pushing away are kind of taking all the energy away from us, right? Have you? What’s your take on Shadow Work? Have you done Shadow Work is that something is running with?

Anthony Meindl 8:05
interesting that you say that? Because I, in my teaching of actors, right? I I’ve often talked about the shadow self. And I’ve given many lessons on like, light and, and shadow and, and without going into too much detail. But somebody wants to do some time came up to me and said, Do you do Carl young? Is it young work that you do, you know, young Ian work? And I was like, No, I’ve never I mean, I’ve been to therapy. And I’ve read Carl Jung, but I don’t really remember it. Right. And, and she said, because this is very young in what you’re doing. It’s all he was all about shadows, the shadow self. And, and so I mean, not consciously, you know, I think I tap into the universal pneus of things when I teach, like, a lot of people are like, were you ever in a and I was like, I wasn’t I’m not I don’t drink, you know, but like, I definitely tap into the principles of sort of, I think, these universal spiritual messages. And, but I mean, I think that’s a great segue that we all are channelers at some level, and that the universal principles are alive within all of us. And they’re, you know, encoded in us. And they’re also decoded, if that’s the right word, like, each person interprets the information differently. And I think, again, to have a practice that helps us have access to that more often is kind of part of being here on the planet.

Brandon Handley 9:31
What’s your biggest one acting or do you have something else? Right?

Anthony Meindl 9:34
No, it’s interesting, because when I when I work with actors, Brandon, I definitely feel like I channel like I go to I mean, that’s it’s such a, whatever that word means to people, but I definitely am. So in the moment. I don’t know what I say. Oftentimes, like today I was coaching somebody and he could see here I just, he was like, Oh my god, you got to write that down. I was like, I don’t know what I said that he would tell Really good. Because I was like, it’s brilliant. Because I don’t think I’m saying it’s right. And the person meeting the moment and me with them observing it gives the insight as to how to unlock the person. And so that is a lot of shadow stuff, too, is like, I do think it’s scary. But I think COVID is a great reminder, going into the underbelly of stuff that is very scary and confrontational is necessary for us to get to the other side of what is our purpose? Why are we here? What is this mean? Who are we like, but but if we, if we continue to go on living, like I think, especially as we had been, I think we’re, we’re really asleep at the wheel. You know, what I mean?

Brandon Handley 10:47
Not 100%, I, you know, I hate to say that, you know, with with all the deaths, and all the lock downs and how life is, is a good thing. But like, it’s also been kind of this good thing, where now we’ve got more people who are taking this time to go inside to really take stock of what’s important to them, right? The example I use all the time, my wife quit her job, so that we could, you know, homeschool our children so that they weren’t exposed to, you know, the possibility, right. And, and there’s no need to live in fear. But like, why subject yourself to that possibility when there’s an alternative? Right. And and what it’s done for us is, bring us closer together as a family really see? What had been put on us x from the exterior, right, and like, so we’re doing this from the inside out. Anyway. So, you know, it’s been a good thing. And sometimes it’s hard to see that right in the middle of it. Right?

Anthony Meindl 11:48
Well, when you’re in it, for sure. Right? That’s comparable to when you’re going through a divorce or a breakup or something tragic is happening, and, and you have to hold on, like, I’m always saying, you gotta hold on for dear life while letting go at the same time. Right? It’s both. And, and and then I think when you get to the other side, you you are like, Oh, my god that was so essential and necessary. And I think what you’re speaking of is absolutely correct. I think, yes. You don’t want people to suffer and you don’t want, you know, so many lives that were lost. And we also understand that to be from a governmental place, not having things in order, like they could have been like a lot of these deaths could have been prevented. But beyond that, I think I find it interesting that the universe is always course correcting that maybe not at this epic scale that we’re experiencing right now. But like an individual experience, like you often find, like tragedy or upset occurs in our lives to wake us up to this other life. Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 12:51
yeah. 100% So, again, thanks. Thanks for sending me the book, right. Oh, yeah. I love that. I love I love that got the where’s it so i got i love that. And, and I really enjoyed, you know, kind of gone through I had no idea what to expect. Right. And, and are to let you know, like, there’s so many pieces of it really, really touched me. Right. Just kind of, especially the piece like about your father, even at the beginning. Like there was some great laughs right, like, you getting shoved down the laundry chute. Yeah, I don’t want to give too much away. I don’t want it too many spoilers,

Anthony Meindl 13:26
right. boiler I survived it.

Unknown Speaker 13:31
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 13:32
The there was a lot of fun takeaways. Lots of underlining lots of just kind of, you know, gone through it. And just the way you told the story was a lot of fun. Right? And it wasn’t it wasn’t, it wasn’t boring. Like it was fun, right? And it was it was genuine. And you could tell that it was like 100% you. And so I just want to share that with you because I haven’t written an Amazon thing yet. So I’ll just have to go back and type this out.

Anthony Meindl 14:04
The best review you give me on Amazon was it wasn’t boring.

Brandon Handley 14:09
Just didn’t suck

Unknown Speaker 14:11
the way

Brandon Handley 14:14
so let’s talk a little bit about how you know you went from you’ve got a couple other you know, bestsellers and you’re you know, doing acting and what makes you want to become a writer and then what led you up to saying, hey, now’s the time for a memoir.

Anthony Meindl 14:28
I know like I do feel I do you have a birthday coming up next week. I feel pretty young to have a memoir. But I you know, I guess we call it a memoir, but it’s more short stories of my life. And like, you know, I maintain one of my biggest principles in my teaching for all creatives is that we all have a story. And that story of our life is the greatest expression of art, you know, waiting to be shared with the world. And it manifests differently for each person, right? It could be you’re a cook in New York City. Or you’re a ballerina, you’re an actor, you’re a writer, or whatever. And I think the, the interesting thing is the things that we have experienced in our life, at a literal level, and then at an artistic level, are are all essential on the journey of our life. And it’s like what you just said, when you’re in it, sometimes it’s really difficult to see it. But if you look back at the Mosaic, or the jigsaw puzzle of your life, and pieces starting to come together, you see themes, right. And I just for me, in my work with with artists is trying to take that autobiography out into the world in on whatever Canvas, they want to, you know, share it. And for me, it comes in many forms, whether it’s the films I’m making, or the writing I’m doing or teaching or acting myself, or, you know, but I think we do do that unconsciously. I’m just trying to, you know, how you engage with the world is a part of your autobiography, it’s been influenced by the things that Brandon has experienced how you and your wife make a dinner together. I know, it sounds so highfalutin, but it’s not it’s really infused with who we are. And I think we and, and I’m not saying these tasks aren’t also sometimes mundane. You know, writing is sometimes really boring, and I hate it. But, but I also know that it’s, it’s purposeful. And so that’s what I try to teach people is how to honor their autobiography. Because so many people Brendan, I think your listeners and and like you were saying earlier about people that you know, see the external or we don’t, especially in our media obsessed culture, we see somebody who is successful. And we don’t, we are only getting like, they’re, you know, they’re they’re opening night, we don’t see the dress rehearsal. So we’re comparing our lives that we often think is like a train wreck to something that’s presented to us as law. And we then then we link, I think, do a snow job on ourselves thinking, I suck, I’m untalented, I’m stupid, I’m not worthy. My story, nobody cares. And that’s when I think we, we lose sort of the, I don’t know, connection to the magic of our autobiography. We cannot compare. That’s just the problem.

Brandon Handley 17:19
Right? Right. Well, it’s, it’s the whole idea and is the cliche, life is what you make it right. Like when you’re talking about, hey, when you come into the kitchen, and you’re and you’re cooking with somebody else, then it, it can be an amazing moment. You can make that a miraculous moment. Or it can be right or it can be like, right, yeah. And so, but in the end there, too, what you’re talking about in my mind, right? I love to like, you know, make you purposeful, and living your biography. But you get to this point where you start to, you’re like you’re talking about why would anybody want to read my thing? Why would anybody want to participate? You’re making yourself small in that moment, right? Yeah. And that doesn’t serve anybody. Right? Like, where I didn’t really find in your memoir, and maybe it’s because reading too fast, but I don’t really find the space where you decided that acting was kind of like your purpose. And you felt like you needed to be on the stage to share all of who you were. So where was that?

Anthony Meindl 18:27
I mean, I maybe, you know, in this, I’m writing other stuff. You know, maybe I will revisit that. Like, I’m just curious. Yeah, no, no, it’s a great question. I, because I remember distinctly, I remember hat going out for dinner with my parents and telling them I wanted to be an actor. And, you know, they were like, Huh, but then they were like, Okay, my dad again was like, if that’s what you want to do, you know, he was like, go and do it. You know, they’ve always been really supportive. But I think, I guess in answer to that question, I just have always felt like not an entertainer, but like an expresser. of, of things. And I feel even more than being an actor. I’ve always been a teacher. Like if I go back and look at my own spiritual life as a child, and like, just the things that I was interested in. I and in my role in the family, I’ve always been the mediator, even though I’m the youngest one. All my siblings, and my parents kind of come to me as the sort of what did they say? And you know what I need? Right? So it’s interesting that I’ve always kind of, and I was always obsessed, you’re too young to know this but all your lives nobody will know this. But when I was in high school, I took this class call. It’s so it’s so hilarious. Anyway, it was called I, oh, gosh, I think I can or something like it was I can’t No, it was called. I can clap. Oh, wow. I hadn’t thought about this forever. And it was written by it was a class about having a positive mental attitude about life. And it was the teachings of Zig Ziggler I love Zig. You you’ve heard of Zig right? I love

Brandon Handley 20:03
Yeah. Yeah, I’m newer.

Anthony Meindl 20:05
Right? And so born to win. Yes. I will never forget, I was in the 10th grade. And I took I took the class because like, it was a pass fail. And it was I could get out of math and take that class. Right. But something deeper must have made me want to take it. And since then, I’ve always been obsessed with this sort of, yeah, dawning consciousness of what it means to think our way into the world, you know, not mind over matter. Its mind into matter. You know what I mean? I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 20:42
I love that. The Zig Zig has a lot of fun. Right. And and I think that he was, he was kind of before his time. Oh, right. In this space, yeah. And this face. And he’s actually, that’s actually probably how we’re talking today to be to be quite honest with you. So it was through a book of his that I read and ended up down this this path.

Anthony Meindl 21:07
Oh, see? Yeah, that’s, that’s funny. It’s interesting that you start to find these, you know, connective tissues throughout our lives. Right. And you’re right, yeah. That the whole wellness movement and meditation movement, and he was one of the original thought, you know, forward thinking people about, you know, how to live our best life. It’s interesting. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:31
Yeah. So the, the, the, a lot of the a lot of this podcast is based off of, you know, finding your spirituality, right, how you found your spirituality, and how have you leveraged that, like, for your success, or found a more fulfilling life because of it? Right. So why don’t we talk a little bit about how you, you know, became the spiritual guy?

Anthony Meindl 21:54
Well, you know, I also, I think it’s a great moment, Brendon, to tell people like, our spirit is innate. Like, it’s, I think, I think, again, with social media and like anything, if we, sometimes when I like, will watch somebody talking about spirituality in a certain way that I like, I sometimes I find it challenging because it can, again, create this sort of schism in ourselves thinking, we’re not doing spirituality the right way, or I don’t always feel love for God, or mean, or I want to just say, fuck you, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Oh, that’s all that’s the real spirit. The real stuff is right. With it, and we our culture, loves to live in this sort of, like, you know, they call it on social media like oh my god, something positivity, like toxic positivity. Yeah, there’s

Brandon Handley 22:53
that there’s that I’ve got. I’ve got answers for that, though. Okay, but well, so my answer for the there Yes, there is. Toxic positivity. That’s the, you know, like you were talking about earlier, in the acceptance piece is just like, oh, not taking action, right? Same, same thing. But positivity doesn’t mean like, hey, everything’s fucking great. Positivity simply means we’re moving forward, there is a positive space here was like, all this shit just went down. Guess what? We’re gonna keep moving through it. Right? And, and the thing that you’re talking about here is not in my mind. It’s like, the genesis of spiritual dope is that spirituality is gritty, right? Like, there is a certain like, element of, you know, you are washed up, beat up, dried off, and you are coming back together, like kind of, you know, hopefully stronger than you were before, or whatever. But like, you get to it, you get through a certain point in a degree. It doesn’t have to be like that. But then here’s what happens. people forgot like, who they were, like, you know, maybe two months ago, right? Like, you were the person like two months ago, like, you know, I don’t know what I see some I saw somebody like saying, Hey, you know, we used to, I used to, you know, do cocaine and ecstasy and lick like, whatever off my wife’s nipples or whatever. Now we’re getting mad at each other because I lied to the dog was a meme that I saw. Yeah. So spirituality is just that they’re like, you forget, like, where you came from? You’re like, hey, yeah, you know, you did all those fucking things. And you were, nobody’s saying or even. Not a mess now. Right? But you’ve got like, I love the moment. So share the moment where you truly, at least in the book, right, you connected like with spirituality right before a book fell on you.

Anthony Meindl 24:35
Yeah, I think like what we’re talking about, of like, you know, grappling with, again, the questions why we’re here. How do we, how do I make meaning of this life? And there’s got to be something more right. And I was always searching with those things. And the shorts or I had an acting teacher who asked me Do I meditate after a scene one time and I was like, No, and she’s like, and I literally had, like, No, I mean, grapple with these things. But I didn’t have an outward process or practice of spirituality, right? She’s like, I want you to start meditating. And I was like, how and she’s like, I don’t know, take a candle do what you ever want. So I started with, you know, I was just like, oh, and I was like, This is so boring. Then my friend but that’s this is the funny thing is when you know, the pupil is ready that the the guru appears kind of thing. So weirdly enough, my friend gave me a book around that time, and up until then, he knew him to be very spiritual, but he’d never really know engaged with me maybe that way. So he gave me this book by paramahansa Yogananda. And I was like, What’s this? It’s like, 500 pages. This is way too long and boring. And I was like, Okay, thank you. And I put it away, cut to I moved to LA and I took that book and everything for I was living in New York City at the time, right? When I moved to LA, and I was like, in my place, my apartment at the time, like three or four months. And I was I literally, that book fell off the shelf. And it’s weird, because it wasn’t even it was in the back of my shelf. I don’t even know how it happened because it was buried with books. Like, I’m never gonna read this. It’s never, and I picked it up. And in that moment, I was ready to read it. And I read it. And I was like, Oh, my God, what’s happening to me? Right, and it was just an awakening and opening an aha, like, my heart was very full. And I talked about it in the book. Like, I felt a tremendous amount of love that I it was, like a real thing. And then it disappeared. I was like, Oh, my gosh, how do you get that again?

Brandon Handley 26:40
Right. Right. Right. Okay, so I so 100% that I identified with that so hard, because I went through a similar experience. Right. And, and, and, and so it was great. It’s always great when you’re like, Hey, I’m not the only one. Right. Right. And then and then the other thing that I found very interesting was, I haven’t read that book yet. But I just watched a just watched a documentary on him.

Anthony Meindl 27:10
The Netflix documentary? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:14
Yeah, it was one of them. Right? Like Netflix, or Gaia or whatever. You know,

Anthony Meindl 27:19
it’s called, um, you’re the name of it. Not into the light.

Brandon Handley 27:27
I don’t remember the name of it.

Anthony Meindl 27:28
Okay. But but it’s worth watching. It’s a beautiful documentary.

Brandon Handley 27:32
It was really yeah. So it was really well done. But you know, so the my biggest takeaway, though, was wasn’t just about him. And it was so awesome. Right? was super cool. Was that Steve Jobs left that book behind. Right, his funeral. That’s right. So Andy, and like, you know, since we’re in this synchronistic kind of space, right, I’ve read I wrote an article on just that. This past week. And that was like, the day before I read that chapter. I was like, shop. So and, and and so So did you move out there then? And have you been to the US and our house?

Anthony Meindl 28:07
Yep. So I went to Yeah, I’ve done every I mean, I went to India and I spent time in one of his ashrams there, and like, you know, I wasn’t really I didn’t convert to like, Guru is, um, you know, I’ve been very cautious about, you know, because you you read, or you watch documentaries about major cults, and you’re like, Oh, my God, that could have been me, you know, it’s like, I’m always like, Oh, my God, by grace. And and I’m not judging these people, because they come to that aspect with such an open heart and these things that we’re talking about seeking and wanting to know more and but, you know, with Yogananda was very practical. It was like, there is a way out of this suffering. Just do your practice, get over it. Like, it’s really, you meditate, you get your butt in the chair, and you do it. And I’ll say to the great thing about when people come to me and ask about Yogananda, or about any kind of meditation, what I always advocate because he says this, and I found it to be true for myself. After I read that book. I did not I didn’t just sort of go to him only I it opened me to I did have a passionate retreat. You know, I did everything I did. I Alaska, I went on the journey of finding what felt right for me. I went to India a couple times. And so I think when somebody is is open, then you just have to I did tm, like I did, you know, you try many different things, and then you’ll find, like, what feels right. So that’s been and it changes and it can change, you know?

Brandon Handley 29:44
Yeah, no, absolutely. I agreed, right? It, it speaks to resonance. And I hate I hate I hate resonating with anything but it’s the truth, right, like you’ll find you’ll find exactly the kind of, this is the space you should be in right now. And this resonating with me the strikes a chord my body’s like, it feels this feels amazing.

Unknown Speaker 30:05
Right? Right. Right. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:06
So the I wasco was was actually pretty funny too

Unknown Speaker 30:12
loud. Yeah. It’s funny.

Brandon Handley 30:14
I mean, tell us tell us a little bit about like, I mean, would you recommend somebody who’s a seeker? Does the same trip that you did like down down to? Where do you head down to? I

Anthony Meindl 30:24
think, yes, I did it in Brazil. Also, I have a good friend, who also teaches with me, she did it in Peru A number of years ago. But you know, it’s interesting reading because this was way before I Alaska has become what it’s become, like, I don’t know which coast you’re on or where you are. But I’m on the west coast and like, they’re, they do Iosco ceremonies here, technically, illegally, like, all the time, it’s become very, I think it’s great. Like, why not, however, comma, you know, I think it you kind of, and I’m not a purist about everything, because everything changes and to have access to ceremony. And to that wisdom is great, right. But I do think, for me, I was going through a horrible breakup, and it was in a lot of pain, in a way I had never experienced and my friend recommended. So this was only got 2008. So how many years ago is that? Right? So 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I, I just I literally she told me about it, I went online to the place, she said, I booked it without even knowing what it was. And then I did a deep dive into what it was. And I was like, Oh, my God, and I was like, I gotta get my money back. So I could literally call the guy and I was like, um, you know, and I don’t think this is my thing. He talked me off the ledge. I’m glad he did. Right. And then I went there. And I had this whole amazing experience of being in nature and the shaman was from that area. And so I think there’s something to be said about doing it. You know, it’s like anything like going to India? You can’t find anything that replaces India except the experience of India. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 32:06
Yeah. Yeah. So it’s just diminishes the kind of the truth of it,

Anthony Meindl 32:12
maybe, yeah, maybe. And I know that there’s, I’m sure there’s some great healers and and, and teachers of Iosco that have moved to LA or whatever. And so it’s fine. Just I want people to make sure that they know, you know, just make sure you know, the source, that’s all.

Brandon Handley 32:27
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right. Definitely, you definitely don’t want to take away from it. So how do you feel then? You know, when, when you went through, like kind of this and awakening process, right, there’s about the same time that you started your school? Right, is around that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 32:46
yeah. I mean, I started my school, literally, around the time that book fell off my shelf. So in 1998,

Unknown Speaker 32:53
yeah. So,

Anthony Meindl 32:54
I mean, I’ve been teaching, you know, prior to them, but it really kind of coalesced there. And I just, I felt a very strong message to at the time. Now, when I look back, I was not, I don’t want to say ahead of my time, I was in the right place at the right time, because the message that I was teaching was all kind of like conscious awareness through our work. And it was very spiritual and very much about presence essence, the moment, The Power of Now, all of those things before they’ve become so much, you know, they’re, they’re so cultural now. But I and I was kind of like an outcast at first, because it was very Mooney, still in the 90s in the early 2000s, you know, what I mean? And now that work, the work has caught up with itself. And I am very blessed to have been teaching this for 25 years, because I do find that this is, this is where we are heading, you know, you know, well, I think culturally look at this is a great conversation we’re having you have a podcast called spiritual dope, you know, like, I teach from a very spiritual place and, and there’s no shame around using the word soul or spirit or consciousness as our real and it’s hard to I also think it used to get a bum rap, but it was so like a llama dama ding dong, and like airy fairy, it’s science. Now we know what our brain does. When we meditate. We know what happens when we reduce stress levels and reduce cortisol release from our body, you know what it means? So it’s, it’s those things that were fringe during Steve Jobs time, right, right, are are not fringe anymore. And to have a language around it is it’s a real thing. So it’s exciting.

Brandon Handley 34:36
It absolutely is very exciting. What do you think the future of it is for us in this area?

Anthony Meindl 34:43
Well, you know, I’m sure. You know, every prognosticator has so many things to say about 2020 and 2021. And I’m like, Jesus, I mean, Brendon, here’s my thought about I Oh, I’m feeling like I’m gonna cry. I do cry a lot. Don’t worry. It’s just tears of joy. I do feel I don’t know. That’s the first thing. Nobody fucking knows camera should

Unknown Speaker 35:06
say that. Yeah, you’re right.

Anthony Meindl 35:08
Maybe maybe a guru in India knows but I don’t know, I think

Unknown Speaker 35:13
my

Anthony Meindl 35:15
where I take some sort of have peace I read this book during COVID or a couple months back called, oh my god, it’s called kindred and it’s about our Neanderthal on Neanderthal cousins, right? And just what the planet was like, during their time and how they were not these brutish, you know, brutes, you know, unsophisticated and uncultured. And they were actually, like, I don’t know, quite advanced, really, you know what I mean. And, to me, it was a watershed moment, in a way because I, I kept thinking about during there, and I wrote a piece about this recently, but how during their time, there was no an early homosapiens, there was, there was no destination. Being on this planet, there was no ending to get to all of life was only journeying. And we still in our DNA, we are journey men and women, we are nomads, right? It is in our, our system to want to travel and to keep migrating, right. And I think for me, reading that book made me Just think about the the constant journey that we’re all on. It’s an and I guess my point, sorry, I was gonna say was like, they wouldn’t have even known what the word destination was, because it was all journeying. And it was all uncertainty. And that, to me, is so powerful to live in that place. Because we as a modern culture, because of the modern conveniences that we’ve become sort of asleep, because of we have fallen asleep to the truth that we are still in uncertainty, we are still in the unknown, we are still on the great journey. I don’t care that you can go to the target and buy yourself, you know, underwear for $9 it you at Target isn’t a real thing in the big scheme of things. What’s target you’re aiming? Like we’re journeying? Yeah. And there’s you you we have successes and milestones. And those are all things to be celebrated. And I love that we have technology that that creates so many things for us. And yet, we don’t want to lose sight of the journey.

Brandon Handley 37:44
Yeah, no, I love I love the idea to have, you know, it’s it’s all uncertainty, right? and always has been, always has been, and you know, COVID prove that out. Right? Like COVID is like, Hey,

Unknown Speaker 37:57
hello. Yeah.

Anthony Meindl 37:59
On a rock spinning in the middle of dark matter.

Brandon Handley 38:03
Right, right. Yeah, good luck, guys. Uh, and, and the idea to, you know, when you’re talking about, like, all these things that are being mass produced, you know, getting something from Target that’s being mechanically produced, it just kind of makes me think a little bit to have the experience, right, like, you can go I can maybe I can go out to LA maybe find somebody like, you know, off the streets and and, and, you know, have that iOS experience. But am I gonna have to deal with fucking snakes? Am I gonna have to drop off like, you know, go through a couple plane hops go to the river, you know, deal with the tarantula and all that other shit? No. And I mean, there’s, there’s something lost in in that actual journey. Like, if it’s super accessible. Yes, the joy in that, like, you know what I mean, it kind of diminishes the I don’t know, it. Well,

Anthony Meindl 38:51
that speaks to our disconnect from journeying. The, the uncertainty that is the truth about existence, being too reliant on like, our phones and things and buildings, and like what we’ve become accustomed to right. And also, I think it speaks to the biggest challenge we’re facing is, is our disconnect from nature. And so that’s again, we’re part of that that’s, that’s an impulse and a pulse inside us. And I think we’re at to our detriment, we’re seeing how we have separated ourselves from this matrix, if you will, the nature matrix, and that that’s one thing that I think people are not aware of. The planet will be fine. Yeah, it will, again, turn into another been six or five other mass extinctions and it will turn into something else. Right, you know, but it’s interesting to really think about Wow, we’ve made the thing that isn’t real real.

Brandon Handley 39:54
That’s fair. That’s fair. I enjoyed your your what you took the piece of Want to pay you to the toilet paper roll? And you did that? Oh, you saw that? Yeah. How long? How long have we been here? We’re like, you know? Like, not even nothing,

Unknown Speaker 40:07
right? Nothing, right?

Brandon Handley 40:09
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs weren’t like, hey, they’ll never get rid of us. Right?

Anthony Meindl 40:13
And then in a flash were gone. Right? Isn’t it crazy?

Brandon Handley 40:17
Maybe they just packed up and flew off, though. Come on, we don’t know nothing about him. He don’t know. Don’t know, we don’t know. So let’s talk a little bit about like, you know, how, how is acting, you know, kind of beneficial during even like COVID uncertain times or just in in a in a matter of finding yourself in flow and being able to express yourself. Tell me a little bit about that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 40:42
I always say, and I guess maybe I should just march to Congress and do it myself. I wish somebody could hook me up with, you know, a congressional page or someone, I feel like I should go teach an acting class to everybody in Congress, because the art of acting is the art of empathy and compassion. And what we’ve lost, you know, again, it makes me really sad, is this ability to stand opposite someone we may not agree with, or be in conflict with, but still see their humanity and still, to let them in? And I think acting does that, that you that actually through conflict, you have resolution. So I think conflict is really an important. And it’s, it’s kind of what’s evolved us, as you know, as a species as from organisms to it’s not been easy for anybody or anything, you know, that to be alive on this planet is churning, constantly churning to evolve into something else. So there is going to be conflict, but conflict does not have to necessarily mean what’s it’s not a pejorative, I guess you know what I mean? In other words, like, I guess I heard the other day that it’s, it’s thinking more in terms of like, even, let’s say a lion attacks a zebra, right, and kills the zebra high conflict. And it sounds like one person, one animal wins, the other doesn’t. But if you then step back and see that it’s all part of the system, it’s actually a cooperation. It’s it’s like, it’s all part of this thing. But I think if once we become fractured, and we don’t see that opposing views are also part of a thing. That’s why we are, I think, in trouble. Because it’s not black or white. It’s not republicans are bad. And democrats are correct. It’s not. It’s really about. We need both. It’s Yin and Yang. You see what I’m saying? its shadow in light. Yeah. So I don’t know if that answered your question. But I don’t know. I did. It didn’t. But I guess my point is acting is the exploration of all of that. And I think everybody should take an acting class, because you’re more in tune with, I think it’s the scariest thing for many, many people. I teach a very well known. WW. How many W’s are there WWF? Or www f whatever?

Brandon Handley 43:14
The rescue? Yeah, I think two Yeah, two dogs.

Anthony Meindl 43:18
Or maybe he’s a famous boxer. Lightweight by godsey is terrible. I don’t know those sports. But anyway, he either you would know. And then I can tell you when we’re done. But I mean, I’ve interviewed him for my podcast, so it’s fine. I can name names, but um, but he even said he was the world lightweight champion, or whatever category class he was in. And he said, Tony, being an acting class with you was scarier than fighting for that crown. And, and I think it speaks to having to be vulnerable and exposed and to share ourselves. So that’s why people should take class,

Brandon Handley 43:58
to be able to connect with that right to be able to connect with themselves and and to put them out there and share that right. I think it’s that sharing part that really holds a lot of people back, how’s acting help, you know, helping that person get over that?

Anthony Meindl 44:13
Well, I think we’ve become less self conscious about ourselves. And also, we have so much shame Brandon around, you know, we have so much shame around our feelings, our thoughts, behaviors, our past, the mistakes we’ve made people we’ve hurt, and again, realizing it’s also part of the journey. If we’re contrite, and we’ve learned and we’ve made amends. It doesn’t define it’s one part of a chapter, you know, it’s not even a chapter, it’s maybe a paragraph, you know, but I think we were in a shame based culture. Sometimes we don’t have a we don’t have a relationship to that stuff. That’s also an important conversation to have the shadow stuff. So instead, we go underground with it, which then becomes more toxic and more painful. It leads to you know, there’s no doubt That these things then lead to unhealthy expression whether that’s opioid abuse or, you know, whatever, it’s the toxicity it finds its way.

Brandon Handley 45:12
Yeah, look, I mean, it’s gonna make its way out each each thought is a seed, right? You know and and, and you know if you look at you know you you live in LA right you walk down the street cement is broken by grass seeds right that type of thing so I’m in a seat is a seat it’s gonna find its own way to express itself right and you know, we’re humans that’s what we do we express that’s we show up to express and it’s really interesting how that shows up. So, di di Did you find anything writing this book about yourself that you had forgotten about? You weren’t aware of? Were you able to share something through this book that you was like a major release for you just curiosity? Yeah, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 45:56
I mean, I think I’ve always been on this journey of like, for me, I was bullied a lot. And so I think that everybody has suffered from bullying in one form or the other. Even the bullies that perpetrate the bullying are really probably victims of either their own self bullying or are scared of or threatened by the people that they bully, you know what I mean? And so nobody escapes it and and and yet, so it’s caused a lot of damage, but it’s also put me on this path of healing and teaching and, and also seeing that it’s created my art it’s really helped me have a voice and and hopefully help inspire people in finding their voice through their pain and their struggles. And, and so I think, I think for me, it’s been all these things help heal. And and yeah, I had a lot of epiphanies. When my editor told me, she’s like, I told her when I was in therapy, because at one time I complained to my therapist, I was like, is everything you have to do with our childhood? Oh, my God. And I had great parents, as you can probably guess, by

Unknown Speaker 47:00
reading the book, like your mom

Brandon Handley 47:02
says, I want to know more about your mom, though, too. Like, she just seemed like the badass. Right? Like, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 47:07
yeah, she’s very private, like, but but but but even having great parents. Like, it’s funny, because they say having read the book, they weren’t too happy at first, because they thought it depicted them as terrible parents. Wow, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys, it’s a love letter to you. It just goes to show you our stuff doesn’t help us see things clearly. Right? So my editor said, I want you to whatever you’re talking about in therapy, when you have an image of a story that comes to you, I want you to start writing it down. I was like, Do I have to? Just like, yeah, so that’s how the genesis of the book occurred. So we all have stories, Brandon, that’s my point.

Brandon Handley 47:48
Not I love that. I was just curious if there was like anything that really just um, you know, jumped out at you that, you know, you hadn’t thought about for years or, again, was able to just you were able to just really release something. Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 48:00
what can I say? I’ve said this, I had the guy have a lesson about it. One person’s tragedy is another person’s Tuesday. Because this is true. That’s a good quote. I’ve never said that way before. I’m going to use that. But I think I have it in my book. Because my brother, one of the things that I realized is when I wrote the book, and I shared with my brothers some of the things, my brother is that an amazing human being, and we’re very close. But we, you know, I was this gay, little kid that didn’t even know what being gay was. And so he made fun of me, like any brothers would, you know, beat up or make fun of their younger brother. Right?

Brandon Handley 48:35
Especially during that time, right? Like, that was a very nice times. Yeah, that’s

Anthony Meindl 48:38
right. And so I in the book, I have a really haunting story about an event that occurred with my brother, you know, making fun of me or bullying me in a way about being gay. And it affected me so much. And yet, when I shared with him about it, he’s like, Oh, God, Tony. I don’t even remember that. Yeah. Right. He was so apologetic. So it just made me realize, like, oh, gosh, for me carrying that around. That was like a really intense moment. And for him, it was just a Tuesday.

Brandon Handley 49:12
Yeah. Yeah, but so sounds like you had an opportunity to kind of release that right. Oh, for sure. And that that was no, it’s amazing when you get to release something like that. Just how much lighter you feel?

Anthony Meindl 49:24
Yes, absolutely. And forgiveness and, you know, all kinds of things.

Brandon Handley 49:29
So I’m gonna move it back into spirituality just for a second. Yeah, you use that for you know, that’s that’s basically your coaching, right? Like your coaching is your spiritual practice. You know, you’ve gone to India you’ve had chased, you know, you’ve done the soul searching, you’ve been the seeker. But without spirituality without you know, kind of developing and honing your practice. You wouldn’t be as fulfilled as you are now safe to say.

Anthony Meindl 49:57
I mean, it’s impossible to answer random because There’s only been this unfolding there is a you can’t put that back in the bag. I’ve got a friend of mine,

Brandon Handley 50:06
a friend of mine, he goes, is he could use the acronym Tina, there is no alternative. You know, but you know, if you look at, you know, I guess the kind of the pre the pre awakening and pre spiritual Tony versus, you know, novice a Tony?

Unknown Speaker 50:26
Ah,

Anthony Meindl 50:26
I mean, I think that they still are so interconnected. You know. And I think again, I think the thing for our your listeners is to remember that spirit abides within us whether we have a conscious relationship or dialogue with it, it’s there. And it’s there to be awakened whenever you’re meant for it to be awakened. And so for me, it was always something that was a part of my experience, even if I didn’t know how to label it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 50:54
agree with that. Right? Isn’t? You said it a couple times. It’s in a right. It’s everybody. It’s in everybody. Right? is and what I like, though, what you just said there was like, addressing it consciously. For me, I did, right? for 40 years, I was like, I was like, I got all this other shit to do. Right? And then then my spirit was like, I was like, Well, what do you want? Right? I’m very similar to your, you know, your moment, like there was like this. You know, days, maybe weeks, I forget exactly how long like you’ve got this kind of natural, vibrant body. Hi, you’re like, I didn’t miss anything. I didn’t take anything. And so what’s happening right now, you know, in my mind, after talking to several people, it could only be one thing. Right? So but it’s it’s inside of everybody. And having that conscious conversation with it, I think is the important thing, and not giving up who you already are kind of really loose back into this too. Because, like you said, You’re not separate from who you ever were just because like, you know, you have this spiritual moment. It’s not changing yourself either. Right. And we talked about like the the grittiness, allowing it to still be gritty, like, I mean, yeah, it’s okay.

Anthony Meindl 52:12
It’s work, right? I mean, it is work. It’s a relationship like any other. I also think though, as I’ve gotten older, I have a birthday next week. And I, I, when I look back at those stories I told or when I think about even my 30s, cuz I’m gonna be 53. I’m like, whoa, I’m a completely different Tony. And if, if you follow science, right, they say, cellularly, your body is regenerated every seven years or something like that, or so I am, like, at a atomic place, I am completely a cellular place, I’m different. But also your awareness and your evolution. If you do work on yourself, you are changed. I don’t even really identify with that, Tony. So every decade or every year, really, you’re a different person, which is so cool. That also speaks to how people can change even though I know there’s the saying that you can’t change someone, but we do change.

Brandon Handley 53:05
Rod, you had a great line in the book too, about realizing in a relationship that, you know, you can’t change somebody realize you can’t change anybody that the only thing is leftovers, like love or something like that. That was like a really good was a good line. It’s right. And it is and then the other part, too, that you mentioned there was your awakening was a Saturn, you know, rebirth away, you know? 29 so I’m in I’m in one of those this year, I think. So, which is also just more entertainment value for me as I’m reading the book. Anyways, listen, I you know, I identified with it, you know, you know, it must have been a challenge, you know, sounds like it was a challenge, especially growing up gay in the Midwest, right? I’m actually from San Francisco, born in San Francisco in the 70s. I was back out there in the 80s. And, you know, I always I embraced gay, you know, growing up, right, like, I wasn’t gay, but I was like, it was there. So it was just like, hey, right, that’s just part of part of life. Right. So, but then to, you know, kind of, you know, be able to express that run your business and and, you know, fully express yourself. I think that’s super awesome to be able to see who you are and to Yeah, well, thank

Anthony Meindl 54:15
you, Brandon. I feel like I’ve known you and I, it’s so great to have this talk about I’m so inspired. Like, I feel like I can I have to go teach it a little bit. But I feel like oh my god, the class tonight is gonna get an extra dose of spiritual dope ism. Now. That’s right. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 54:31
Get your head. Right. So get your commercial dope, Tony. Thanks again for being on Where should I go and send? Is there anything else that you want to you want to cover anything else you want?

Unknown Speaker 54:42
covered at all? Awesome.

Brandon Handley 54:44
Where should we send people to go hang out and find you? Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 54:48
I mean, I guess if they’re interested in my work, I guess, acting related or otherwise, you can go to our website www dot Anthony meindl memd elle.com and then you can always find me on Instagram, just Anthony meindl I’m on Twitter, but I don’t really use Twitter. I just, it’s too much so but so but I am on Instagram because I like photos. So, you know, you can always hit me up there and, you know, I really do try to answer people’s questions if they DM me and I try to be in service as best I can. So,

Unknown Speaker 55:24
yeah, awesome. Thanks again.

Unknown Speaker 55:27
Thanks, man.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there Spiritual Dope, this is your host with the most the voice of a generation. Brandon Handley. And I’m on today with the Adam Walton. Adam. What are you running these days? Man? What Where should I? You know, even if I just say it, I think the I know you best is the mental mastery, but I believe you’re the mental mastery Alliance now.

Adam Walton 0:26
I’ve always been the mental mastery Alliance.

Brandon Handley 0:30
So there you go. You know, I know Adam as he’s one of my first coaches, Adams actually the person that gave me that line that I that I just threw out at the beginning, they’re the the voice of a generation without Adam. You would not have the voice of a generation does know that. I think he did that. Right.

Adam Walton 0:48
I did kind of know that. Yeah. But I mean, the reality is, they would have the voice of a generation because my friend, you still exist. And you were partially there, I just figured why not glorified. And that, that’s, it’s it’s 100%. Sure, like you really have to envision what you want. And just like anyone that’s getting started in anything that’s new, it’s really hard to believe in yourself. So when you start announcing yourself as the voice of a generation, you live up to your monitors, you really step into that power. So it’s not like you have to, you know, slow it down or play small, you know, when you are the voice of a generation, which you currently are right now. You stepped right into it.

Brandon Handley 1:30
I love it. I always like to say that. And I it’s funny, every time I say this, I always expect somebody to send something to me. But nobody’s ever said that I can’t be the voice of a generation.

Adam Walton 1:41
Right? You’ve also never specified which generation so all the haters can beat

Brandon Handley 1:46
the hell out. So I usually like to start this with a phone one, right? The The idea is that the universe, God, whatever speaks through us, right? And somebody listening to this podcast right now is going to get a message that can only be delivered through source through Adam Walton to them, what does that message, do more.

Adam Walton 2:12
Simply put, do more, no matter what you’re doing right now do more. And that’s that’s the one piece of advice that will get you from where you are to where you need to be. If you there’s there’s a there’s a statement, when you have a job, when you work for somebody, when somebody is hired you to complete their tasks. always deliver more than is expected. And when you do that, you change the way you operate. sequentially, you change the way you operate mentally, you change the way you operate physically and spiritually. If you’re saying I am tasked to do this thing, then that is the limitation you put on yourself, that is what you will do. And you will do a basic job of it. When you do more than is expected.

Unknown Speaker 3:00
You’ll always amplify.

Adam Walton 3:04
In other words, your tasks, you’ll amplify your output. And when you amplify your output, you feel it internally. So without trying to seek praise from anyone or anything anywhere, other than how you feel about yourself, always do more.

Brandon Handley 3:25
I mean, I think it’s pretty, it’s pretty powerful message. how,

Adam Walton 3:28
you know, what’s a good example of that? Because I think that I know that for myself. You know, historically, it’s like do more as I do more of what, how right? What would you tell somebody do more looks like? Just like you said, do more of what and how if you’re going to take up the moniker of doing more. And then you ask yourself, what more can I do? Well, now you’ve got an you know, you’ve got to give yourself an answer. And when you do you execute on doing more so simply by asking the question you have effectively done more. Also, when you’re on that line of thought, you have the ability to to create more. And there are so many times and I’ll tell you this just like the more you try to push in anything and the more you try to do something positive you’re gonna get you’re you know, you’re gonna get a pushback, a naysayer, anything. Because if you’re if you’ve decided at this moment in time that you’re going to step into your purpose, for example, know that if you’ve not started this journey, you are starting from the beginning. But the beginning is a little bit into the race and into the race, you’re still in the crowd. And that crowd is of people you joined a race with that wasn’t your race to begin with. So the people that will say the negative things or the people that will get inside your mind are the people you associated with before you became I would say aware before you became self aware before you became spiritually aware before you started this journey at all. On this path, on this journey, you are going to unload these people one by one, so that you can make room for the new people that are in this journey on this path with

Unknown Speaker 5:11
you.

Adam Walton 5:12
It’s not a good thing. It’s not a bad thing. It is merely an experience. So embrace all of the negativity, embrace all of the uncertainty because it is those uncertain moments that is those negative moments that create the positive view. Five years from now, one year from now next week.

Brandon Handley 5:31
Yes, sure. I mean, you can look at any event or an experience is coming into your life right now. As a negative right now, like, you know, you say, hey, this negative is COVID, right? You just had whichever you gallbladder taken out, whichever.

Unknown Speaker 5:46
My gallbladder tried to kill me, right? Yes,

Brandon Handley 5:50
yeah. And and I think, if you were telling me, you know, you we connected a couple weeks back, and he said that he just came out of hospital. And I think I asked you, I said, Well, you know, were you it was your back? You? Weren’t you laid out for about a year or so with your back as well. Correct? Yeah.

Adam Walton 6:06
So what what happened with me on that on that the back part was when I really stepped into my purpose, the world without my own desire, or anything slowed me down, basically put me in bed for a year. That gives you time to think.

Brandon Handley 6:25
So does, you know, but talk to me a little bit about going through that. And before we even got fired up here, I think, you know, when you and I first connected, I wouldn’t have put you, I think in the spiritual journey space. You may have been on your way, right. But somewhere along the way, you and I both kind of started sprinting or running towards this spirituality bit. Where did you get like this kind of fever, the bite

Adam Walton 7:01
when you and I first met, I wasn’t allowed to be myself based on contracts negotiated at the time I was a entity of another unit. So my spirituality started, my spirituality started when I was born. I never fit in, I was never part of the third dimension, I was never somebody who looked at something and agreed with the television agreed with the narrative agreed with getting a job, I questioned everything since birth. And it’s been referred to as a fourth dimensional entity, I arrived here as a fourth dimensional entity. You don’t know what that means, obviously, because when you live in the third dimension, you have to look at all this shit, that doesn’t make any sense. But you have to look at it all. Now, when you and I crossed paths, I was living my best life. As a sales coach. And as somebody who had the ability to see into people’s souls, I utilize both skills. Coaching was coming naturally, next, and the dark night of the soul is the main thing that pushes people into the next reality. I’ve gone through probably about four of them in the past three years, where I’ve been forced to deal with myself. So when you step into purpose, when you step into your ascension, your light your journey, your reason for being here, a lot of other bullshit disappears. A lot of stuff that that is not necessarily goes away. And what I find entertaining about that moment is everybody has this preconceived notion of what a spiritual person is. And I don’t live up to any of those preconceived notions. I come from a very cruel background, I come from a ruthless background, to be honest. And it’s been said that you need to be capable of evil, to be able to spread positivity to be able to be capable of pure positivity, because anyone can be nice. But to be capable, and understanding there must be a contrast. So anyone can be something but if you’re truly capable of evil, and you choose against it, or you learn from it, and it creates a new, then that’s an entirely different state than saying, I believe that we should all be a certain thing. That’s a very controversial statement. If you want me to unpack it more I can. But for the most part, there’s one meme that I absolutely adore. And it says, Don’t let the spirituality confuse you. You know, there’s gangsta under here, and a lot of people

Brandon Handley 9:43
100% 100%. Right. Like, I mean, I don’t know that. I think the contrast is necessary. Right? You know, I wouldn’t say personally, I look from from my vantage point, I wouldn’t say I’d have to know you have to know evil. To know good, right. You do, because at the same time, you have to know, you have to know.

Adam Walton 10:05
And this is a really valid point, because you have to know light to understand darkness. So on that note, when I say you have to know evil, I’m not saying that everyone’s evil, but I am saying that the most spiritually enlightened people I’ve ever met, have lived through some shit.

Brandon Handley 10:22
Sure. Look, man. There’s no doubt right. Like, I don’t I don’t think that I don’t think that I’m bringing my personal take is I don’t think that. Again, there’s no preconceived notion, right? It comes from anywhere, you can get it anywhere you get it, like it can happen in any way. Right. And that’s the beauty of it. So I definitely appreciate

Adam Walton 10:43
up right on that one.

Brandon Handley 10:44
Yeah, yeah. I appreciate your journey. Right. So I mean, you know, tell us a little bit about like, let’s talk a little bit about like this, you know, as the Adam Walton that I met, right, the Adam Walton that I first met him as his coach life coach. You know, the story is, you know, you’ve had some success, you know, throughout your life, you built it all on your own. And then, you know, the atom, the atom Walton I first met, even though it was a kind of a package deal. To me, it seemed, you know, seemed genuine. Right. Seemed always, yeah, always genuine. Yeah, always genuine. But the atomwaffen that I feel like I know, now is just more expansive, shall we say? Right. And I think that that’s a good phrase for it. Right? There’s a different, you know, you said fourth dimension, no being and I think that there is there there multiple new dimensions about you. So let’s talk about like that transition over the past, like three years and what’s happened.

Adam Walton 11:47
Berbick, the, you know, when I was when I was referring to earlier, it leads into this, you know, when you when you find, when you find when we were Okay, so, when I was talking about evil, you know, evil versus good. Again, the contrast, every single thing is contrast, you know, you don’t know heat Unless, you know, cold, you don’t know, light unless you know, dark, the Yin to the Yang, this idea of who you are at any given moment is only compared to who you were. And when you are somebody who, you know, has gone through certain experiences and has been talked to and dealt with a certain way, you have certain notions of who you are. And based on that, you have certain notions of where you think you can go. spirituality and how it compounds is, by taking those extremes, my journey, specifically not, you know, everybody’s got a different path. But my journey specifically was taking those extremes and experiences and viewing them as teaching moments, rather than painful experiences that I wish I’d never lived. You know, if I go back through my life, and if I go back through my experiences, every last one of them formed who I am, and who I am is amazing right now. But nowhere near where I’m going to be in 10 years, and where I’m going to be attending. And that’s not me to to my own horn, I’m not trying to impress anybody, I’m not trying to do anything, I am just simply on a journey for myself. And we’re in before it was always nice to you know, do this, you know, be kind to others, and all that sort of stuff. And you think to yourself, it’s a good idea to, you know, be kind to other people, for other people. And you’re but you’re being bombarded with it right now in the media, which is, you know, wear a mask for other people get vaccinated for other people, you know, nobody’s really questioning the fact that all of this stuff needs to be done for you. And if you raise that point, then you’re selfish. And it’s interesting that the entirety of the world has decided that we need to think of other people as opposed to focusing in on who we are, and what we’re capable of. Because first and foremost, with regards to the vaccines and the masks, if you’re not wearing a mask, my mask doesn’t work is such bullshit. If you’re not going to wear a mask, and and people in old age Homes is going to die again, bullshit, right? Everything has its own purpose. If I were to walk into an old age home, I would mask up, right, but for me to not be able to have my friends over. And then and then and then be able to go to Costco, you know, two totally different things. And I’m speaking on this because this is the grand awakening. What we’re seeing right now is the veil being pulled. What we’re seeing right now is the holes in the story. So every single thing that’s ever taken place in my life, is now being compared to what’s happening in the sandbox is not being compared to what’s happening in the ethos of the realm in which we’re all inhabiting. So I am now able to compare my life story to what’s being offered to me to the experience that we’re all collectively having, collectively having a unique experience, which is a very interesting thing that a lot of people can’t wrap their minds around. And that’s because they’re all tied into each other. The third dimension you’re all tied into one another as opposed to experiencing individuality inside the culture. If you’re a Star Trek fan, just picture Seven of Nine, or whew, if you want to go right back to the Star Trek, the next generation, phenomenal things, there’s a lot of stuff in Star Trek, actually, they talked about the Dyson sphere as well, fantastic, completely different episodes. But when it comes down to your spirituality, you are experiencing this world in this realm.

Unknown Speaker 15:21
With your background,

Adam Walton 15:24
therefore, your background and my background are entirely different. I’m not better than you, you are not better than me, a man who is born into money, you know, to a poor man, seems like he’s got it all. But he’s got his own problems. A man who was born with nothing and no legs, or what have you, whatever it is, you know, he’s got his experiences, and for you to be like, Oh, poor him, that’s you, implying your experiences onto him. Therefore, you’re forcing him to play inside your ethos. It’s an interesting reality, to understand that we are here to experience individually, the collective, and you start off inside the collective as is your experience for comparison. The only way you can break out of the collective is to understand that exists, the only way you can understand it exists is for it to exist, which then brings back good and evil, if evil is being perpetrated to wake you out of the collective consciousness, and it’s an agreed upon contract, ie soul contracts, something that people can walk into, is evil, actually evil? Or is the act of evil good, because its end result is for you. Now, that’s a huge debate. Everybody can have their arguments and their and their competitive thing. Perfect, but it’s a topic that nobody discusses. We look at evil and good as black and white. And it certainly is not.

Brandon Handley 16:52
I mean, look, I like it, right? Do you gotta have any hero’s journey, you gotta have the antagonist, right to something’s, there’s got to be some type of catalyst, there’s got to be some type of obstacle to overcome, right? In order to flourish. Just like, you know, cheese goes, I listened to this morning. I forget what it was exactly I was listening to this morning. But you know, think of a walnut shell, right? I mean, that for that tree to express its life, it’s got to do battle with that shell, right? It’s got it’s got to penetrate and get out of that shell, it’s got to reach for the light. And then it’s gotta, you know, then it’s got to reach to the ground. And first of all, it’s got to know what’s inside of show. Look, I mean, it’s just gotta it’s already knows that’s, that’s the that’s always the beauty. Right? You know, the rest of nature outside of human beings, right? A tree trees, a dog dogs, humans were like, What the fuck is going on? Right. So, you know, and I enjoy, I enjoy your perspective. So what I mean, just talk a little bit about what led you there again, so I mean, your your, your Adam, you know, the, you know, I wouldn’t call it like pre spiritually, you know, the pre awakened, Adam, I guess we could have, right. You know, and how do you slip into this space?

Adam Walton 18:09
It wasn’t, it wasn’t any one thing. Obviously, it was a collection of things. And like I said earlier, you know, being born fourth dimensional, it sounds Jujuy. But at the end of the day, I always viewed things differently. So when I was able to not think I was crazy for viewing things differently. And when I was able to see that the society was trying to give me ADHD, and this and anything, for me to understand why I was so good at sales. For me to understand why I understood what people needed, I had to dig deeper into myself. And to do so I encountered more answers to the questions I was asking the questions were changing, the answers were changing, and they were leading to more questions. The more questions that were being answered, the more questions I had. And then when you stop living, fourth dimensional, third dimensional and you start living fifth dimensional, it is a shift, you go back and forth. You can visit the world, fifth dimensionally, so you can see it but you can’t live there because it doesn’t make sense because this is where you’re going. It’s not where you’ve been. And it’s not anything like where you where you’ve been. fifth dimensional living is understanding and when you can understand certain things, a lot of shit just goes away. And when that shit goes away, you have so much more room inside yourself to embrace new things. You stop worrying about am I going to live Am I going to die? What if I crash? What if I this What if I don’t make any money? What if it doesn’t work out? What if it does work out? What if I do this? What if I do that? When all of those noises leave your head? You can amplify everything that you’re doing at the moment that you’re doing it.

Unknown Speaker 19:49
How did I get there?

Adam Walton 19:52
Honestly, I would have to say the leaps all came from Dark Nights of the soul all came from going toe to toe with what I believe To be true, entering painful moments, the back putting me in bed. You know, when you when you’re sleep deprived for over a month, and you are faced with chronic pain, you ask certain questions, you change the way you do things. And when you’re when you come face to face with your inner demons, whether you want to or not, when you’re in that much pain for that long physically, there are people that you meet inside your mind. Dark Nights of the soul also come from smaller experiences also come from putting yourself out also come from you allowing yourself to have that experience. And collectively right now the universe is going through a dark night of the soul. And you’re seeing an awakening to the illusion. Some of us are some of us aren’t, you know, and there’s a lot of questions, I have a lot more questions about where we are now than I did. Before, you know, before you see what’s what’s what’s, you know, the world the game that we’re playing, because, because it’s phenomenal. So my spiritual journey is is just beginning. I am growing exponentially, I have changed my focus, I no longer need or want what I used to want. Now I want to make a difference. Now I want to make a change. Now I want to have a voice. Now I want to share my message. Now I want to be a guest on your podcast show. I’ve always wanted to be a guest on this show. Come on. Have you seen the artwork for this, ladies and gentlemen?

Brandon Handley 21:33
I’ll tell you, James, James knocked out on that. The CIO sounds a little bit like you’re talking about finding your purpose. Yeah. And what’s that? You know? So what does that mean to you?

Adam Walton 21:50
alignment, basically, my purpose isn’t anything other than what I needed to be. And, and my alignment, you know, what’s funny, is boredom. Boredom goes out the window, the minute you start aligning yourself properly, you start you start finding fascination, and all kinds of things. I mean, all kinds of things like boredom is just not challenging yourself. And and it’s really interesting, how that plays out, you know, and just this growth, this this alignment, you know, how do I how do I not sound like every other person speaking in broad terms, I mean, it’s almost impossible not to because every single person’s journey is different. And every single person is allowed to have experiences. And the minute you stop asking, if you’re having an experience, you understand that you are having an experience. So everyone out there that is experiencing something weird, they want answers. You give yourself those answers. And then when you start believing in yourself, you you move in leaps and bounds.

Brandon Handley 22:53
What do you mean by you know, start believing in yourself?

Adam Walton 22:57
Well, let me ask you this. Do you think that you can fail? No, no. Did you think that you could fail when I met you? Yes. No. How would you explain that difference? Because you actively right now know that you cannot fail?

Brandon Handley 23:15
It was going through the process, right? We talked about that. It’s uh, you know, there is it’s funny. I actually I posted a meme. I think not too long ago, just my own meme. I said, What the fuck is the process? Right? Because people always say, trust the process. And you’re like, what the fuck does that mean? Yeah. And and until you go through the process? Or a process? I guess. Right. It’s, it’s tough to discern. So that’s how I got there was by trusting the process and going through with it.

Adam Walton 23:50
That’s right. And that’s, you know, that’s basically you know, the gist. So when somebody says, you know, when I say to you, I cannot fail. All I can do is have an experience and make a decision about it. Right, the world doesn’t get that just yet. There are so many people that like explain that make that because of course you can fail. I think one of the funniest realizations I ever had was the Yoda saying, Do or do not there is no try. Sure. And I was like, when you’re living in third dimension you’re like of course there’s a try there’s try all over the place you do nothing but try until you do or do not. But the reality is that we live in Yeah, and results you live in and results you either do it or you don’t do it.

Brandon Handley 24:27
That’s the the other one and the matrix, right. Stop trying to hit me and just hit me. Yeah,

Adam Walton 24:33
great. Trying to hit me exactly

Brandon Handley 24:36
right. Just hit me. It’s real similar to that. So you know, the dark nights of the soul you kind of went through. And I think one of the things I like to always understand is, now that you’ve kind of got like this purpose to kind of share your message out. I believe you’re still doing you’re still coaching and you know, trying to get others to Understand what their messages right align with their purpose so that they can go through the process, right? How are you seeing? Are you seeing a leap in fulfillment in your life. And by living it this way, versus what it was before, and is there any way you can kind of compare, compare and contrast that for us

Adam Walton 25:23
100%, there’s, again, you know, the lack of boredom, you know, all that sort of stuff, you know, comes into it. My purpose in life is to wake up lions, is not to wake up sheep is not to, you know, dismiss them or anything like that. But my purpose in life is to push those that need to be pushed, to step into their light to step into the light of change. And it’s not even that I’m doing it for them, I’m doing it because I need to do it. Once that person is awake, and once that person is off and running, they no longer have anything to do with me, my purpose was not to get praise from the lion that has now awoken, my purpose was to simply wake that lion up. My purpose was to allow them to understand their purpose a little bit better, and to show them that they’re not crazy for having that identity. What was I doing? Well, being third dimensional, I was teaching people how to sell, I was teaching people how to close, no matter what realm I lived in, I was always teaching people. And when you live in that realm, you are always under the gun, you’re always under attack. And it’s really interesting, because you will find people say the craziest shit about you, when you’re in the sales room when they don’t even know who you are. But when you exude some sort of energy that they don’t have, they want to bring you down. And interestingly enough, that isn’t about, like you or them or anything, that is the experience, you have to get stronger by understanding that these things are happening so that you can face your own, you know, whatever growth patterns that you have to face. And they have to do it so that they can understand that it’s not the right thing to do that you don’t you don’t chop somebody down, right? Yeah, the same debate goes with bullies, a lot of people will talk, you know how bullying is bad. But bullying teaches the bully a lot. And it teaches the one that’s being bullied a lot, and everyone has these experiences. So you know, it’s an interesting jump, how I went there, but it you know, it, when you find your purpose, you understand that you are contributing properly in your realm. If your purpose has to do with avenging the weak, maybe you were bullied, and maybe without being bullied, you’d never have lived into your purpose, if you were a bully, who turned his life around, because he saw how terrible it was for the other people being bullied. And that leads you into your life purpose, go for it. You know, the world in society is so quick to point the finger at so many people about so many things, without understanding that every usually for the most part 90% of everyone who has ever perpetrated a crime or, or whatever, is at some point a victim in their own lives, either repeating a pattern, or you know, built up anxious or being, you know, having, you know, trying to take their power back from being a victim, whatever it is, again, the Battle of good and evil, what contrasts for the sake of the other to contrast. So when you talk about stepping into your purpose, if you’re a quote unquote bad person, once you understand that, that can’t possibly be true, and that you have the ability to step and move forward, you realize that the third dimension has always tried to make you look at your past and make you compare yourself to who you used to be. As opposed to living in a fourth or fifth dimension, where you compare yourself today to who you want to be. I look at myself today and say I’m not this person yet, I need to work on that, that that I need to go through this, this and this to get there. They’re in there. But since the entire world for the most part is coming from, I’m not this person, because I used to be that person. And that person is holding me back from becoming this next person. But that’s how you’re trained to think.

Unknown Speaker 29:03
So

Adam Walton 29:04
when the world decides it wants to wake up, like you keep trying to ask me about me, and I keep reflecting back to the world. Because I am not the person you’re interviewing. Even though I sit in this chair, you’re interviewing the experience, and I can share my experience or I can share a perspective of experiences. And you’re getting both and I ramble a lot, but that’s okay. People seem to like my voice.

Brandon Handley 29:27
I see what I want.

Unknown Speaker 29:29
You damn straight. Do

Brandon Handley 29:31
idea is it’s funny, you know, the experience, right? The the idea though, that we experience, time, or anything else, you know, and knowledge is that that is of course an illusion. Right? what we experienced right now is what we’re always experiencing, which is, you know, an eternity right. We’re experiencing eternity right now. just you know, how do you want to see it? Right? dia fulfillment piece, right is kind of still on getting that right. Do you feel more fulfillment in general? With this kind of wave waving?

Adam Walton 30:20
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a question for you as well. Sir. The fulfillment man, honestly, how can I put this fulfillment when you stop doing what they tell you to do smoking cigarettes, drinking booze, being debaucherous being an asshole, all the stuff that you’ve ever been taught to do in life, you know that small consumption of alcohol, when you put it all aside, and you realize that you’re so much more than what they told you to be? film, it’s massive. It’s absolutely massive suit. Like, I’m assuming that you haven’t picked up a drink in years. But when you put it down, you put it down. You never you never went back to it.

Brandon Handley 30:54
Yeah. happiest, happiest I’ve ever been. Yes. Childhood? I’d have to say right.

Unknown Speaker 31:03
And a lot of that

Adam Walton 31:04
a lot of that is tied into you. Aligning, not you quitting drinking, quitting drinking was a result of alignment. Look at our mutual friend,

Brandon Handley 31:12
Jeremy. Yeah, no. But it goes back to what you were saying though. Adam, I called for the person I wanted to be, versus maintaining the image of who I was. I said, Hey, you know what this isn’t? This isn’t who I want to be going forward. That’s right. It doesn’t it doesn’t this does not, you know, align to who I want to be going forward, who I want to be going forward, has all these capabilities. And one of the one of the capabilities is, is the strength to to say I don’t want to drink and I don’t want to hang out with everybody else and do the same things everybody else is doing. I want to be doing what I want to be doing on my own terms.

Adam Walton 31:52
And you did it. Yeah. And that’s pretty much how simple it is. It is. And there are so many people out there that will say oh, you know, addiction is this? How many times have I heard 1000 people say, quitting alcohol is one of the most painful and hard things to do. I was a seasoned drinker, and I stopped, right, right. And then you know what they say? Well, that’s you. That’s not everybody. And I say I can only speak from my experience, your experience. And anyone that says it’s hard is typically somebody who hasn’t gone through it. Or typically somebody who went through it the hard way and didn’t decide to look at it the easy way. Equally, I don’t look at it for themselves, they probably look at they did it for somebody else. They didn’t do it for themselves. You’re right, you’re right. There’s there’s a book out there called the Alan Carr, the easy way. And that is how to quit smoking. And I was a smoker. When I met you, I was also a cigarette smoker. I smoked a pack a day for years. It was disgusting. But when I was a kid, it’s just what you did, where I grew up, where I came from, you smoked cigarettes, the cool kids wore leather and smoke cigarettes, cigarettes, they’re not ridiculous. And there’s no more leather stores. And it’s also full pod to where the skin of another animal. And when you think about that, should it it is a bit peculiar where, anyway, you know, I’m my alignment, my journey and all that sort of stuff is is bringing me to where I want to be. And that is, I’m fully able to defend my position. I also don’t speak my position to the most part, I don’t find it’s necessary for me to communicate with anyone that may or may not understand me, I will talk to everybody on their level, I will answer any question that anybody has. And for the most part, I do my best to allow people to simply be, and you’ll find in that sense, too, that people will interact with you a certain way. And they will like you or they won’t like you no matter how enlightened or experienced you are. There is an energy working to you know, in, in in congruent with, you know everything where magnetically we’re all aligned or attracted. You know, there are times where you can take a magnet and you can pick up other magnets and that same magnet will push off other magnets, if you just lay out a ton of scattered magnets. Some will pick up and some will drop off that humanity, right. And if you flip a magnet that picked up, it’ll push off as well. So you’re not necessarily aligned with everybody at all times. But for the time that you are aligned, go for it, have your fun, do your thing. You know, but to have any expectations much more than that is foolish. If you want to grow with somebody do it. If you want to grow through people do it. Don’t hold anyone accountable to them living up to your expectations or fitting into your narrative and your reality. Grow and see who grows with you and see who you grow into and see who you meet on your growth journey. Because the alternative is to sit in front of the television when you’re not at work. And that to me is in bullshit. Because there’s so much more to everything than what they’ve allowed us to beat. The typical third dimensional person is somebody who is dating somebody, they don’t want to date at a job. They do. Don’t want to work at not making as much money as they want to make living in a house, they don’t want to live in addicted to alcohol, and not even realizing it. That’s your standard third dimensional individual or entity, anyone asking the question or trying to step out of that is, is, is drifting into fourth dimension. And anyone that’s actuating, and visualizing, and making real, what the secret, the secret to try to make you know, money off, when you try to make that real when you when you live in visualization. And when you live in actualization, you’ve stepped right out of it. Because here’s another thing too, when you’re living in third dimension, you are experiencing everything you’ve put the effort into experience. Therefore, everything that you have is a result of your physical actions towards the manifestations that you’ve created. You are living in the result of the effort that you’ve put in at any stage of life, basically.

Brandon Handley 35:53
Are you saying that the third dimension is a result of like physical activity? And the fourth and fifth are the result of other activities? No, they’re

Adam Walton 36:03
all mental. So the third dimension is not thinking for yourself. The fourth dimension is asking questions. The fifth dimension is believing.

Brandon Handley 36:10
I like that the third dimension is not thinking to yourself, the fourth is

Adam Walton 36:15
asking questions.

Brandon Handley 36:16
And the fifth is believing in yourself believing believing in yourself. And you know, when you’re saying, believe in yourself, you’re not talking about the confidence to do something and like, you know, go climb a mountain, believe in yourself. I don’t know, I would I yeah,

Adam Walton 36:33
I don’t let me pick up a car right now.

Brandon Handley 36:35
I mean, the theory says Yes, right. The theory does say yes,

Adam Walton 36:39
but what if I said to you, Brandon, I’m gonna give you one year, do whatever you have to do. But at the end of that one year, I want to see you on this exact day, next year, you’re gonna pick up a car, you can do that. And if everything is happening all the same time, then by the time one year rolls around, you and I are going to be standing face to face on the side of a car. It’d be a look car, like a 1987. Look car, so it won’t be too hard. You

Unknown Speaker 36:59
know? No, look,

Adam Walton 37:01
I’m not I’m not gonna push your buttons too hard. Or you go. And exactly, yeah, so you just pick that up, right? But you’ve hit the gym, you’ve done the training, you’ve you’ve understood, you’ve learned you’ve taken in the knowledge and you’ve picked up the car. But as it stands right now, Not a chance.

Brandon Handley 37:13
What else? That’s right. That’s what that’s for the thing. Is that right? So I mean, you know,

Adam Walton 37:17
manifestation, that is 100% manifestation in the realm that we live in. It takes a minute to go from here. I’m pointing at my brain, ladies and gentlemen, I don’t know if he’s going to use the video for this. I’m pointing at my brain from here to here to tangible, right, that belt behind me on the wall. Before I had that belt, I wanted it. Right. And then what did I do? I earned some money. I called a guy, a shipping company picked it up. It came here, I manifested that belt and created it.

Brandon Handley 37:45
Sure.

Adam Walton 37:46
Anything that you want in this world, you create, right, I’m

Unknown Speaker 37:49
created.

Adam Walton 37:51
Now the thing is, we think we want things because we’ve seen them on TV. Imagine what you could create. If you could tap into source directly. like holy shit, I want that gergan slog right, you know what that is? But go ahead. Exactly. And then you just manifest it. And I was like, What the fuck is that? You’re like, it’s a gurganus log, you son of a bitch. You want it cuz you’ve never seen one before? Right? Right. But the minute your neighbor sees your gergan slug, he’s gonna figure out what it is. And he’s gonna get one make one do one? Sure. Sure. Yeah. So we grew up at a time to where, bro, you know, you and I probably didn’t have the coolest car in the parking lot. But we had a car in the parking lot when we were in high school. We didn’t have we didn’t have parents money. But we had our we had our efforts, you know, we pushed what we had. And we believe where we were. So we actuated based on what we believed.

Brandon Handley 38:41
Well, so so I want to I want to so I’m gonna jump in here, right? There’s two things. One thing is like, Alright, well, when you when you said, you know, kilos up a car. And, you know, the working theory is that I could do it today, based on you know, kind of what we’ve seen before, just out of the idea of like, you know,

Adam Walton 39:00
a mother strength

Brandon Handley 39:01
is everything, right? I mean, of course, yeah, but but right. But because because I don’t believe right now and myself enough to

Adam Walton 39:10
do the thing. Tapping matrix 100%. Now, you’re talking like fifth, you’re talking like sixth and seventh dimension. Because there are people that have done feats of strength on a regular basis. Right, but and there are also myths and stories and these people just tap into source immediately tap into source. You know, if you’re, if somebody is trapped under a car, I guarantee you can pick that car up. Sure. Because Because the physics go out the window, again, the matrix,

Brandon Handley 39:38
don’t bend the spoon that and then that I think that then there’s the you know, there’s the necessity that says, hey, you need to be able to do this. So source allows that to open for you. Right provides that for you. And then the other part now, this is this was a really eye opening moment. This was a conversation you and I had. Geez Adam, I think was a year ago. Driving around, and I was just leaving my real estate class. And I was talking to you about this teacher who was in there. Who was teaching motivational interviewing, which is something that I was really interested in. I was like, I mean, what are the odds that she’s in there? Right? What did you say? to recall?

Adam Walton 40:21
She was in there, because you needed her to be in there.

Brandon Handley 40:23
But you said, I said, What are the odds? And he said, 100%, right, the odds are 100% I was like, motherfucker, you’re right. Right. And, and, and, and then you said, something along the lines of she was in a, you know, because that’s the only way that you believe that it could happen type of thing, right? So it’s, you know, you create your life, and act upon it in a way that you believe you should be. And that’s the only way that it’ll happen. So until you change, what you believe in, and what you believe yourself to be capable of, you won’t take any actions towards it right type of thing. He won’t see it. Right. I think that’s the other part too, like until you believe. Right, you won’t be able to see it.

Adam Walton 41:07
Yeah. I mean, when you also when we talk, if you’re right about all that. And as I stutter, if we talk back to the car, right? The idea of you being able to pick a car right now, we agree that it could be done immediately. But we also agree that it’s more likely that you’ll be able to do it in a year, for sure. You know, Now, that being said, for you to be able to tap into source on a regular basis and pick up a car is not the purpose. For you to become the person that understands how to tap into source and to regularly pick up the car is the purpose of that we are not here to do the thing. We are here to become the person who can do the thing. So that’s the cool part. You know, how many times to and maybe this is just me, but every single time I’ve ever acquired whatever it was I wanted, when I bought the thing I don’t care about anymore? Yeah. You know, when I bought my first car, I was like,

Brandon Handley 42:04
yeah, that’s the journey. That’s the journey.

Adam Walton 42:07
That’s life, life is all about that thing. And now again, the car also, when I bought my first expensive car, I was, you know, fully immersed in the idea of the third dimension. Now, what you have validates who you are, which is total bullshit total.

Unknown Speaker 42:23
Self again, that’s,

Brandon Handley 42:24
you know, that’s gonna be that’s gonna be actually the same conversation this weekend with somebody we visited. You know, once you have a bunch of money, you realize you don’t change. Right? I mean, it doesn’t change who you are inherently, I mean, changes. I think it does change some things, right. It allows you the space to kind of fall into expansion, because you’re not as worried about a survival mechanism, right? It’s not necessary, though. That’s what that’s what that’s one thing I always like to point out like, so once you have enough money, you stop worrying about that. And you can start exploring some of these other things like spirituality, right? Well,

Adam Walton 43:07
here’s, here’s another thing, too, if you don’t have enough money, right, you you get stuck in that rat race, right? You can also say to yourself, I need more time. So I’m going to totally downsize my house, I’m going to take up a job at McDonald’s flipping burgers. And I’m going to make sure that my bills are paid and that there’s food on the table. And I’m going to spend every waking moment after that focusing on my craft, focusing on my message focusing on my person, and creating. So you don’t it’s not that we don’t have enough message or instant message. It’s not that we don’t have enough money. A lot of the time, it’s that we don’t know how to utilize our moment.

Brandon Handley 43:42
I think you hit on something there too. Right? Creating, right spend time creating. And I think that most people would would would say when you say, you know, they’ve got to create, they’ve got to be an author, they’ve got to be an artist, they’ve got to be something else. What is when you’re saying creator, what are you saying?

Adam Walton 44:03
Create?

Brandon Handley 44:04
Yeah, but I mean, you know, what’s that look like? I mean, it’s,

Adam Walton 44:08
yeah, it’s it’s a heavy word. Creating isn’t art. Like, a painter isn’t creating paintings. a painter is creating himself herself, themselves itself, we self whatever junction people want to use these days. a painter is creating, and the result of their creation is art. So somebody who is completely stuck in a job that they hate without with a spouse that they don’t care for, in a situation they don’t want to be in can start creating that moment by saying, I don’t want this anymore. They start creating, the more time you spend creating, the more, the more likelihood you’re going to succeed. Just like the more time you spent playing darts, the likelihood is you’re going to get better at darts. So, creating is becoming right and then if you want to Paint if painting is your creation, you start painting, you know, you start, you start with, with the materials that you have, you pick up a box of crayons, and you hammer it out and you work on your draw, you work on your lines, you work on your dimensions. And then from there, you, you know, you sell one of those things, you get really good, or you get noticed, or you upload it or you go on to Fiverr, you go wherever the world is completely open to anything that anybody wants to do, you can sell your painting, you can sell a class on how to paint, you can draw, you can do anything, you just have to find out how to get there, how to do it, whatever it is that anybody wants to do, they just have to do it.

Brandon Handley 45:35
But that also goes back to again, what you’re saying you got to believe in yourself, and you got to want to want to do it right. You have to believe in yourself, and then kind of take action towards it. Right? Just even if there’s just tiny steps, right? Yeah, you know, sell something on Fiverr. Go to Fiverr. put yourself out there, right? To be found. Right, of course. And you believe that?

Unknown Speaker 46:04
Why not you

Adam Walton 46:06
a fun story about Fiverr. I’m on Fiverr. And I went on there and I do writing I just two short stories. I do blogs, I do, you know, content, written content for coaching pages. And from there, I charge peanuts, you know, but every now and again, like just the random stuff that is fun for me to do and takes no time at all. I, I have some, it’s like 30 or 40 bucks a page, right for 500 words, which I’ve undercut everybody, but from there, it’s blown people away, when they kind of understand when they kind of do some research on who I am. Like, why would I be on Fiverr? Why would this be a thing? Like why would because the perception of who I am, as you know, on the internet a lot bigger than who I am right now. I’m just a dude, that’s all I am. But it’s funny, because from Fiverr, I get paid to practice writing. Right? Right, because I can, here’s the thing, I can write whatever I want. But you know, when you have an idea in your head, you don’t believe in yourself or whatever it is, when you’re just getting started on any one thing. It’s hard for you to be like, I have some ideas and I want to craft but when somebody says hey, can you write this, this and this, these are the things I want to talk about, this is the thing I want to do. But and then you’re you’re on it, you’re like, Alright, I got this figured out, then you go do it just like it’s easier to help everybody else. And it is to help yourself.

Brandon Handley 47:16
Now that’s right, you know, and I love I love that you brought that up. You know,

Adam Walton 47:20
I want to finish that thought though, too, though. God. So from from Fiverr. For anyone listening from anyone jumping out, the real reason I’m there is because it’s free advertising, I have acquired five people specifically that have gone into my full program from a $5 ad they’ve dropped 25 K, right. So you can’t judge anything, you can’t judge anything on anything, you should just be wherever you need to be to fish wherever you want to fish to eat whatever you want to eat, and have fun with it experience and drop every single idea in your head that you think is a certain thing and just go and run and be free.

Brandon Handley 47:58
All right now that’s that’s really cool. I love that. I love that you’re doing that. And and, you know, the perspective there. Makes me think about again, like, you know, kind of podcasting right makes me think of the idea of you, when you if when you interview me on your podcast, it’s easier sometimes. Right? Just you’re just the one if you’re the one asking me the questions, it’s easier for me to come up with the answers. Because those are some things there’s some questions I might not answer, or think of on my own as valuable content or anything else. But when somebody else asks you a question, it comes out so naturally, right? Just like when you’re writing for somebody else asking you to write for them. It’s, it’s just coming right through. Mm hmm.

Adam Walton 48:42
I think that’s funny too. Because, you know, you’ve been on my show, and and it is it is it’s different in, in, in in so many aspects because on this show, too. I you know, I love doing these shows, because it is always me that’s, you know, steering the show or running this or asking the questions, but I have the opportunity on the show just simply to answer your questions. You know, and, and, and I love I love the creativity because it is it’s identical again, you and I can have a conversation. Right, your show is your show, My show is my show both are a little bit different. My show is certainly a little bit more out there than your show. I like to talk about little green men. You know, I like to I like to be able I like to be able to expand on every single topic and tie it all back into source because there is a truth in everything. Sure. And that you know, that’s a fun that’s a fun conversation I have now like I said I don’t have your fancy artwork but I do have you know I do have the joy the gift the gap. Another fun thing too is you don’t have to be doing anything like nothing has to be sitting there like I was teaching you guys how to podcast long before I even had a podcast. And that was because I had the you know, I had to know how I had the knowledge but to me I was rammed with other things. I had different stories in my mind. You know things I wanted to accomplish things that I had set out in the in the initial states. I’ve always said, I’ve got to get this going. And it’s very important that people have it. But how do you how are you to be taken seriously, if you’re teaching something that you’re not following through with, which was ends because of you guys that I said, I have to have this podcast. So I’m going to keep teaching people that this is the way to have the message out there. I need to have the message out there. And I was teaching off stat, therefore, I was saying, These are the things that I know not obviously through Sam, all that other stuff as well. But for me, you know, to launch into just do it. Like it’s it’s such a wonderful world to be on the other side of it. Once you you know, once you cross over that, that doesn’t even matter. 1010 podcasts, 50 podcasts, 100 podcasts, every single podcast, you get better.

I mean, the first podcast, ladies and gentlemen is funny because it is just you sitting in front of a mic in front of your computer going,

Unknown Speaker 50:46
I don’t know what I’m doing. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 50:49
100%

Adam Walton 50:50
and then you’re and then you’re out and then you’re rocking. And then you know, you and I know right now that there’s an audience right now listening, they’re sitting there, they’re enjoying their night. And this is the entertainment that they’ve chosen over television, and I’m so grateful and thankful for that, to be the truth and to be the new reality in which you and I reside. I love that. Every single one of you listening right now, you are amazing. You’re amazing.

Brandon Handley 51:11
100% I mean, you know, listen, I think about I’m thinking about the Jim Rohn stat piece that just says, you know, focus on the few, right, I don’t care. This one’s not about going out and getting numbers. This one’s about connection. You know, there’s podcasts, this podcast is about connecting with people who are either on the brink of an awakening or just kind of somewhere along their spiritual journey, or just coming along. Right? for the ride. And and

Adam Walton 51:49
where do you think you are? on your journey, right? Now, if you were to say, if I were to say, Are you enlightened? If I were to say to you, on a scale of one to 10? How far up? How far up? Do you think you are?

Brandon Handley 52:01
Like a three? Yeah, because let’s just like you said earlier, there’s so much there’s so much. And I’m just barely beginning to scratch the surface. Right? Where I’m just, I’m just starting to just starting to scratch the surface of my own potential reality, my inner self. Who or what I think the universe is all that all that stuff, man, how about you? It’s good question. I like it.

Adam Walton 52:30
Man, I say the same thing. You know, I’m a three, I’m a four. And that’s an ignorant statement for me to make, because that’s only being able to base things off where I have been. Right, right. Right,

Unknown Speaker 52:41
for sure.

Adam Walton 52:42
You know, and and, you know, I don’t know, I don’t know how far I can go, you know, you know, that’s why I say low. You know, I say low because, you know, three or four fours high three would be decent. But I mean, we could be at point two, you know, for sure.

Unknown Speaker 52:56
Right. Right.

Adam Walton 52:56
Or, you know, we could be at 10. Like, this could be it. Here we are, you know, it’d be weird if it was because that drop off. But you know, I have so many more questions, and I have so many more things I want to experience and journeys that I want to go on. I wake up every morning excited. You know,

Brandon Handley 53:14
you know, here’s what I’ll tell you. I am though I am not as much about the question so much as I am about enjoying the experience and just being

Adam Walton 53:25
Yeah. And that’s it. But that is the question. You’re living in it. For sure. Your that’s your question right now. That’s what’s cool.

Brandon Handley 53:35
Yeah, it’s a it’s a look, it’s it’s a it’s been great. It’s been perpetual. And it’s been it’s been, there’s been more joy, and there’s been more fun in it. I think, then there’s been a long time. I think you also mentioned a little bit earlier, not necessarily about societal pressures, but you know, doing the thing that everybody says you’re supposed to be doing, versus letting go of all that shit. Right? And not having all that pressure. I think that that’s huge, too.

Adam Walton 54:08
I agree with that. I agree with that. Once you you know, once you instead of viewing peer pressure as a pain point, you get the opportunity to view it as a lesson. It’s cool. If you say to yourself, why would I be concerned about I don’t know. Anything. Really? Why would I be concerned about this? Like, Hey, man, have this drink? Well, you don’t drink like fuck, you know? Why would it be like oh, I really should. What weakness inside me says I really need to do what Chad’s doing. Right. I’m gonna pick up my hacky sack and just play because my name is Chad. Right? That’s, you know, no offense to the Chad’s listening. That’s just running.

Brandon Handley 54:46
Sorry, Chad. Yes, sir. Chad. Yeah, you

Unknown Speaker 54:49
know who you are.

Unknown Speaker 54:51
But that’s

Adam Walton 54:52
so funny. You can’t say that name without it being funny. It is what it is man. It is what it is. You And and like you said, waking up and just being like, you get this opportunity to be like, I want to learn my lessons, I want to understand why I think the way I think I don’t want to blindly accept that I think the way I think, because one of the coolest things about stepping into purpose and stepping into a higher dimension mentally and physically is that you understand that you’re not having thoughts you’re experiencing them. Much like the radio isn’t creating music. It’s tapping into a frequency and amplifying it. So, you know, all that self hate and self doubt you’re receiving that from somewhere, step your frequency up and you’ll start receiving different messages.

Brandon Handley 55:37
Yeah, it’s a shared a lot. I put the book on my reach, where is it power versus force sent you the link actually, to his like, subsequent, he’s guys got a lot of books, David, David R. Hawkins. I sent you that book on surrender, which is super awesome. But in that book, he’s got like a map of consciousness. Right. And that’s kind of one of his big, big pieces that he’s contributed, I think, to to kind of where we are, and what you call like the, you know, ripping of the veil or whatever, right, the thinning of the veil, whatever you want to call it. I feel like he’s contributed quite a bit to that. Because there’s a there’s a, there’s a map of consciousness, right, here’s where you are. And if you kind of, if you can leverage that and see where you are, you can kind of know where the next step is. Yeah. Which I think is really great. And, yeah, you know, if you’re feeling hate and anger and frustration with your with the world, chances are you’re feeling that with yourself. Right? And how do you want to address that?

Adam Walton 56:39
Yeah. And if the world is showing it to you, it’s something you need to overcome, because it’s all that’s also your fault. Right, right. Now, I’ve also I’ve been on the hook so many times for victim shaming, is that the term I don’t know what it is, were you like, you’re like, like Dave Chappelle, He’s, uh, he made the joke, Oh, she got, you know, assaulted. And he’s like, wow, what was she wearing? You know, I don’t, I don’t, I don’t put myself in that category. But I get I get the finger pointed a lot at me for that sort of stuff. Because again, you can misplace humor, you can do whatever you want, the world seems to want to live in its own narrative and drag everybody else in through theirs. Sure. And for me, it you know, it’s it’s, it’s a certain it’s a sensitive point, but it’s a certain one, like, if I’m out drinking all the time, there’s a there’s a high likelihood that I’m gonna get punched in the face. It for history never happen. Or there’s certainly a higher likelihood that I’m going to get punched in the face being out drinking, then if I’m in having intellectual conversations with individuals, for sure. If you love the idea of being out drinking, and if you want to get mad at me and said, Well, what you can’t be drunk and have an intellectual conversation, man, you can do whatever you want, anywhere you want in life at any point, right. But what I will say is if you want more out of life, you’re going to come into certain circumstances and situations that change the way you specifically do business. And once you get to the other side of how you’ve done that, you can look back and say, Man, I got punched in the face, because I was out drunk, running my mouth, you know? And that’s it. Which means I’m the victim of assault. But it’s because I was an idiot that it happened.

Brandon Handley 58:13
You’re the one who created the situation.

Adam Walton 58:16
Yes. And that’s not all of them. I’m going to put this in an Asterix Ladies and gentlemen, the world wants to you know, eat everybody alive right now. That’s for sure. Every situation. It’s not a blanket statement. That individual experience statement. Sure. No, no, no, I

Brandon Handley 58:29
get it. Right. Listen, that disclaimer, right?

Adam Walton 58:34
Exactly. I mean, there’s millions of people listening this podcast right now. I know. Right?

Brandon Handley 58:38
Listen to listen, they’re huge. They’re huge. And you know, I don’t want them I don’t want an avalanche on Adam’s House because he’s a dick.

Adam Walton 58:46
I spiritual dick

Brandon Handley 58:50
telling you that you got punched in the face and it was totally your fault. It is right you got you put yourself there and then look, man, there’s definitely situations where like, you know, people like well, this happened in the world and you’re saying that was their fault? Like, come on, man. The take it with a grain of salt. You are where you And hey, that could be your soul contract.

Adam Walton 59:06
Right? Yeah, that could be your soul contract. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 59:09
we don’t know, man that nobody knows. So for you for anybody to come up and say Yay, or nay. But I mean, you know, at least in our current level of understanding and experience to date,

Adam Walton 59:20
here’s an extra step to that soul contract. It could be your soul contract to be murdered me making you the ultimate victim, right? And then but it’s not. Your soul contract isn’t for you or for the murderer. It’s for the observers of everyone that witnessed you getting murdered. Right, and then you and the murderer, soul contracted into this to wake the world up. So the murderer has to commit a heinous crime of murdering and the victim has to create or has to be the victim of a murder. Both of them signed on to this so that you and me could witness this and change how we do life. That’s how soul contracts can work as well. For sure, you know, there are some extensive quantity that go into every single experience. It’s, it’s mind bendingly beautiful,

Brandon Handley 1:00:06
not 100%. Right? It’s life. Right. It’s it’s life. And I think that that in itself is beautiful. Just like you, sir are beautiful. So where can we send people to go hang out with Adam?

Adam Walton 1:00:21
There’s a lot of changes going on. But you can you can check us out right now, at the mental mastery. alliance.com. All of our social links are there. Everything’s there. We are just having fun with everything right now. Everything is tickety. Boo. So definitely come give us a check out if you like social media, if you don’t like the computer, that’s cool, too. We’re everywhere. We have our own podcast, all of its linked back to the webpage. So in the liner notes of this episode of my webpage was there then everybody would get to see what we’re all up to. And there’s a ton of stuff going on. So we encourage you all to pop by. And if you don’t want to do that, amen. Cool to

Brandon Handley 1:00:58
Adam, thanks for stopping on today. I

Unknown Speaker 1:01:00
always enjoy the conversation, brother. Absolutely my friend. Great time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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