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Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
One. Hey, there’s spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We’re giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He’s the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we’re gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34
Yeah, so I’m looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that’s happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There’s a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it’s because of a lot of things, but because our world, there’s so much going on, there’s so much information, there’s so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what’s going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we’re not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48
That’s cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49
So what do you what do you think that we’re not seeing right now? What’s like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58
Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we’re seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can’t trust we can’t put our faith in as someone who’s going to stand side by side with me to face what’s coming face, you know, the continued craziness that’s unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58
So I mean, it’s I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I’m hearing, right. And it’s allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we’re not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I’m kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26
Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we’re viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what’s going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you’re able to see kind of what’s really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24
So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it’s kind of like a, you just like you’re saying, There’s, there’s no, there’s no hiding from yourself. Right? There’s, there’s no, there’s no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you’re saying, like, you’re fully exposed, right, you’re fully exposed. And I think that what you’re saying is really important, too, right? You’ve got to have someone there, or there’s has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we’re gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there’s the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don’t have that, that space created for yourself. And you don’t have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you’ve illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn’t know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let’s talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don’t mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14
yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it’s more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you’re mentioning, I, I’m in this container of support. But it’s not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here’s this experience, you are traveling through it, you’re experiencing it. And it’s embodied that way. It’s not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I’ve grown, as I’ve developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let’s say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it’s something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that’s embodied. That’s not just someone telling you something. It’s you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24
For sure you use the word that I’m a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There’s this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What’s that? What’s that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you’re like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you’re like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it’s a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I’m guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there’s like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you’re feeling right, and then they’ve got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that’s well put. And I think that there’s a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can’t speak of, because there’s no words for it is it It feels like you’re connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you’re describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn’t have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it’s not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it’s just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it’s actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that’s greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you’re kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there’s something more here, and I’m through doing this work on myself, I’m healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it’s really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it’s not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that’s pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there’s this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you’re saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I’ve seen is a, you know, there’s this whole idea of, let’s get rid of the ego, right? But then there’s this whole, there’s also this other terminology like, well, I’m my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I’m good over here, bro. Like, I’ve reached a plateau. And you’re all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49
Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that’s an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that’s in that state. Again, it’s an ecstatic state. So you’re excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I’m gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That’s, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21
So, you know, let’s say again, let’s say I come to you for a session, right? What’s this? What’s that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I’m going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn’t have any integration. And so I don’t feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that’s right there. That’s a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you’ve had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it’s me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that’s a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you’re it’s kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you’re kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you’re going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I’m going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I’m not seeing right now what’s holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you’re kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it’s not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I’m gonna, you know, I’m going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there’s way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn’t get what I wanted. Because you’re gonna get I believe you’re gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06
For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that’s super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I’ve listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that’s going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you’re so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it’s not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you’re attached to, as you’re going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don’t do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I’m gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you’re in the right mental state and like, hey, if you’ve had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that’s a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you’re not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42
Yeah, that’s a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don’t ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you’re bringing up, if you’re in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you’re just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you’re not, you don’t have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I’m going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I’m going to turn to this thing that I’ve heard, cures depression that I’ve heard, you know, heals people, this. So I’m just gonna jump into this, when really, it’s much more nuanced than that. And it’s, and it’s quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I’m ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there’s a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there’s someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There’s other people there to support you, there’s this feeling that I’m participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that’s not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you’re going through this, just so you know, okay, I’m in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there’s not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don’t have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I’m having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it’s not just you flying out in space. And it’s maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they’re really young, and maybe it’s in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there’s, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don’t, I don’t knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it’s done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It’s It’s too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there’s not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35
100% Yeah, nothing you’re saying here that I disagree with. I’m not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I’m gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you’ve got like this indigenous setting, right? You’ve got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It’s quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there’s a support what you’re going through. And I think that that’s super important. I think that’s really awesome that you’re, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody’s first experience. I think a couple of things like when you’re younger, I don’t know that you really got the capability to speak, what you’re given in that experience, to the level that you’re delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you’ll take somebody on that’s this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03
Yeah, it to me, it doesn’t matter as long as again, the as long as you’re approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn’t matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan’s book, and you’re curious or if you’ve sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29
Should I be reading Michael’s book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32
I mean, I think it’s a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39
I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what’s your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who’s your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57
Yeah, again, anyone who’s curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41
guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55
An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59
That’s right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00
I don’t have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03
Yeah, I’m just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it’s it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn’t been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it’s just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where’s your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you’ve been trying to kick down, but you haven’t been able to, and all of a sudden, it’s like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it’s like you were saying earlier, it’s not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It’s this other thing. That’s way over here, you haven’t even considered, it’s been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It’s opened up, they’ve got you there with them, and they’re able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13
Perhaps I’m in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn’t be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you’re being seen? Do you feel like you’re being understood? Or do you feel like you’re kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there’s so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there’s more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we’ll continue to as we move forward, it’s not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It’s and it is, it’s, it’s something that you can’t explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It’s very, to me, it’s very reassuring. And I think it’s one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we’re heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20
100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that’s really, to me, I think that’s super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don’t want you saying that’s bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48
Yeah, yeah. So I’m kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it’s important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I’m, I’m constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46
No, no, 100%. That’s it. And there’s a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you’re doing is really important. I think that it’s pretty cool that you’re doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there’s this Renaissance, right, and there, you’re just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you’re like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they’re basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I’m gonna ask a question or two, let’s do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38
Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can’t externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can’t give our trust away lightly. Because it’s, you know, that’s one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38
That’s number one, that’s a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51
Would you say? Yeah, I, I that’s, that’s part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03
I think you would say we are all one. So I’m not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don’t buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15
Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it’s not lost. What it is, is not lost, it’s transformed. It’s turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don’t think anything’s lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27
I like it. I mean, it’s kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you’ve already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there’s never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it’s just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57
Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59
All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you’re doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you’re doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12
Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you’re resonating with anything I’m saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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Spiritual Dope One Year

Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on? Good morning, good day, we are coming from jujitsu this morning. And I wanted to get to this before I forgot, it’s a it’s been a year. Solid. It’s been over a year, a little over a year now since the beginning of spiritual dope, and wanted to, you know, thank you for being there for be supportive for being on for, you know, reaching out. And, and just being a part of the podcast. And you know, it’s really been interesting, because I can still remember reaching out to a friend of mine after having kind of the idea. And he pressed me a little bit. Allen Allen pressed me a little bit on whether or not I thought that I was just having this kind of like, hey, wouldn’t it be nice if, and you just go ahead and you know, just kind of on being distracted. And, you know, the next shiny thing. And I told him, I said, Man, now this is this is it? This is, uh, this is my jam. Good morning, ma’am. That’s bright neon, you’re wearing? pretty slow. That’s not spiritual? Or is it? Who knows? Um, so the, the idea is, uh, he, he was like, rah, you know, be sure. And and I told him, I said, Absolutely, you know, I just kind of, I had a vision kind of thing. And it’s ever since then ever since opening this up. You know, Father, for the rest of us was pretty good. I think that had a really nice run, and it opened up fairly well as well. But this, this podcast has, has opened up and this in a way that certainly could not have predicted, I wouldn’t have been able to tell you that. Uh, you year later, I would have interviewed some amazing people I had on, you know, one of my favorite teachers out there, one of my favorite teachers out there Sreekumar Rao, where he lives on the, on the books. And I’m currently in creative personal mastery course that he has with no real live people, which is fantastic, enjoying enjoying the hell out of it. But, you know, the deal is, I wouldn’t told you a year ago that he was going to be on the podcast, I was I would have been able to a year ago that I would have had on Emmy Award winning actors wouldn’t have been able to tell you a year ago that, you know, Anthony mine dough would have been on Hell, I don’t know that I would have been able to tell you a year ago that I was going to be able to find enough guests to come on and share their stories. It’s easily been I don’t know that I’ve missed a week. So it’s easily been, you know, 52. And, you know, and more interviews that have been done with people that have found spirituality in one way or another, and been able to implement it into their lives and been able to integrate it. And I think that that’s the most important part of this whole thing is that

Unknown Speaker 3:58
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Brandon Handley 4:00
in order to function with the rest of society, you have to be able to, and that’s if you want to, you have to be able to implement this in such a way that you feel good about everything that you’re doing that you’re in alignment with, what you deem as spirituality, and how it can benefit you and others at all times. versus trying to keep it separate. Trying to keep it separate. I use the I use the image of when Neo goes in and he gets pulled in for the first time before he gets pulled into the out of the matrix before he meets Morpheus and they play. It’s the it’s the security guys, right? They come in and they are they tell them to say hey, in one life One area you’re, you’re Mr. Anderson knew your clean cut, you come to work, you do your nine to five. And that’s, that’s great. That’s, that’s what’s expected out of you. And the other than they say, hey, the other person, they pull off this huge stack of, of papers on them say that this other guy that does Neo is a, somebody that we don’t approve of. And you can make a choice right now and kind of say, you know, which which one of these differ to be? Do you want to help us? And do you want to stay in your your? Do you want to keep doing your nine to five and keep being the good boy? Or do you want to do want to go and be this this other person where evidently you spend more time to begin with. And that’s really where I think a lot of us find ourselves and myself included, which is why the podcast, right, which is why you go when you find others that are doing what you would like to be doing and you and you interview them, and you talk to them and share their stories out. I’ve certainly found more way more and more ways to implement it in my own life and have implemented and integrated spirituality. In my life, then when I started because it was really keeping them separate often. And to me that was challenging. And, and so this podcast aims to do that for you as well. How can you integrate all this stuff into your own life? How can you make this part of the fabric of everything that you do? And, you know, I was talking to you, I was talking to somebody else yesterday about the idea of Einstein, you know, of course, I bring them up all the time and the line of either everything is a miracle or nothing is a miracle. And the other pieces, I think I heard, you know, Swami is very apparent or pre Nanda, say, from the vedantic, Vedic society, Vedanta society, of New York, and he brings up the line that either everything’s God or nothing is God. And when you start to think along those lines, when you start to think along those lines, it changes the dynamic, it changes, few changes, change, you change the way you think, and you what you see changes. And it’s really, it’s really interesting, When, when, when that starts to happen. And you start to see the impact that you can have on your own reality just by changing your own thoughts. And, and, to me, that’s the pure essence of spirituality, that whatever’s inside of us is what comes out within the spirit of, right how many times I remember, when I was working for Cisco, we would always be doing, doing these big deals, and then something kind of like would fall out of that deal. And the line would be alright, well, listen, we don’t really need to go through all the rigmarole all the finances all that everything that that went into the first creation of this deal, we’re gonna do this in the spirit of the deal. Right? So TD spirit of the deal. So when you’re when you’re doing something, anything, it’s the spirit of view, it’s it’s it’s your spirituality, what’s inside of you. is absolutely what’s going to come out. The other story on that is Wayne Dyer, has has the story of an orange. And he’s talking to his audience. And, and the idea is, you know what, the orange only thing come out of an orange is orange juice. Right? whatever’s in there is all it can come out.

Sreekumar Rao does it with a Indian dessert. That’s the story on that one, whatever’s inside is what’s going to come out. So whatever’s inside of you is what’s going to come. So whatever you keep putting inside of yourself, right? Because that’s the other thing that that’s super important that I’ve learned over this past year. And I’m sure that you know, you hear your entire life, but you just kind of you kind of dust it off. And you think to yourself, Well, this isn’t for me, this is for some other son of a bitch, or some motherfucker. It’s not for me. And then, you know, it turns out that it absolutely is for you. So whatever you put inside of you is absolutely what’s going to come out. And one way you can. One way you can see this for yourself is I don’t know if you still listen to a lot of music or you watch a lot of shows. But pay attention to some of the things that you’re saying. Because here’s the here’s the thing, it doesn’t come from you comes from what you put inside of you. So do you, you know, listen to a song and then, you know, a couple days later, you’re singing that song again? Did you watch the show and a couple days later, those are the words that are coming out of your mouth that will work for books and work for movies. Whatever goes, whatever you consume, especially mentally is 100%, what’s going to come out of you? So, anyways, it’s been, it’s been a hell of a year. I think that I’m really excited for where it’s going, what what’s happened with it, and, you know, some of the connections that I’ve made and the people that I’ve met, and the ability to, to do it is been, to me, it’s been awesome, right? I’ve got it, you know, a huge thanks to mag for connecting me with guests for being supportive of the podcast for the children being supportive, as well, you know, without my family being supportive of it really makes it a challenge to do. And without your support as well. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t keep doing it. So thank you. For for the, for the support. 100%. Thank you for being you. And I you know, I hope that hope that some of these, I hope that some of these people that have been on have have been able to help you as well. They’ve been able to just help guide you and get you to a place where you’re you’re able to integrate spirituality in your own life. And that’s gonna be it. Yeah. Happy, Happy anniversary.

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Jeremy Todd shares all!

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. I am on here today with my man, my man. Mr. The pauses. Mister, check out my book, Jeremy Todd Jeremy Todd is a motivational speaker. He is an influencer. He is a legend. Not only in his own mind, but in mine as well. I’m so excited to have Jeremy here. If you’ve been if you’ve been a longtime listener to me a and he followed me through three podcasting, another Jeremy’s kind of a regular, but you you’ll know that Jeremy was catching me I got to see like you were like the first. Right. The first and it’s funny. We look all the way back to 2017, where neither one of us knew what the hell to do. And here we are like earlier just before this podcast got started. Well, I got upgraded Mike bargraph equipment. Yeah. Right. But super excited to have you on. But I always like to start this off with. And I think you’ve been on one of these already. But I’ll ask again, you know, source speaks through us. Right. And there’s a message that can only be delivered through you. Today, right now to to a to somebody listening to this podcast, what is that message?

Jeremy Todd 1:22
Well, you know, I mean that several ways I go with this, but what you know why you were talking? It just really made me think about you know, when you say four years ago, when we first we first met, and there was so much insert uncertainty with my life here live, what we’re going to do, why are we doing this? Where’s that going? The biggest message for me, and it’s really coming through right now. And when we’re having this conversation is that, you know, we just never really gave up, we just kind of kept going and there wasn’t like, it was almost like we’re pulled through to time to basically this point. And I don’t know how to really put it in quantified in the words, but it’s almost like taking your hands off the steering wheel and allowing things that just happen to watch your life. And good things happen. You know, it’s like a, you know, a bad crypto reference. But I’m watching cryptocurrency recently in this going way, way up, it’s gone way, way down. But consistently, it’s going up. And that’s really how I felt my life is it’s been for the last three or four years, you haven’t the, you know, splitting up with my with the mother of my children having that move in a couple different times. So you can get these big downs, but also you got the big ups. But if I look back now, where I am today versus where I was four years ago, it’s a lot higher, it’s a lot. It’s a it’s a better place, even though I had these major drops in my life. It’s just weird how that goes. And you know, I talk about this all the time, and even on my show about really just just getting through it. It’s not about hey, I need to figure this out right now, I need to figure out what I’m gonna do the rest of my life right now I need to get through this shitty time right now. And I really don’t really have to get through anything right now. It’s just you’re meant to be in that point. Why? Who puts you there? I don’t know. But it’s part of the life that’s part of the journey. It is sometimes it’s good to be in those in those bad low points because it builds you up and makes you stronger, makes you harder and makes you you know, all around a better person learning from the tough experiences. But man, I get I guess I just you know, going on that random tangent right there. But I just I don’t know, if I’ve ever been happier in my entire life than I am right now. I feel more blessed than I’ve ever felt in my entire life. And maybe it’s because of, you know, some of the things that that have happened in my life recently, you know, but with writing the book, and I appreciate you mentioned that and getting some of the things off my chest with that book. It’s very, very freeing. And it’s, it’s also it’s been happening with actually who I truly am individually, like, like, this is who this is my weird quirkiness. This is who I am. In all these things. They’ve taken time and they’ve taken time, and they’ve got to this point, and who knows what’s gonna happen in the next three or four years from now, but I feel like I’m being pulled through this situation. By I don’t know, you know, I have been the universe the way it’s supposed to be. I don’t know the answer to that part of it. But I just really like the momentum. And I like the journey and it says it’s been amazing the last three or four years. So I know that really answered your question, but that’s really what I’m thinking about.

Brandon Handley 4:22
Trying to figure out this new new get new setup, right? I’m just trying to press the right buttons. It’s awesome, right? I love the you know, you’re saying you’re kind of pulled through this kind of time and space to get to where you are today. And it really reminds me of of how mine started, right. And my kind of journey started because somebody said that exact line to me, right? I was like oh man, just, you know, the drink and sure and wanting to party and wanting to be this person that I had been for so long this identity that I assumed just kind of fell away. Yeah. Right. And he’s like he goes you know, once you kind of know fall into the space you get

Jeremy Todd 5:02
what you while you’re messing with the banging down there. But this is another thing popped in my head too when I was when you were when you mentioned that I listened to a podcast just before I got on and I’m driving around town and, and it was a Jocko willing podcast and he had Dakota, Dakota Meyer on his navy seals and he’s telling me stories and one of the things he also mentioned was, you know how lucky he is to have a support group, and not a support group to where, you know, hey, I’m you know, I’m mad, and this is bullshit and have someone say, Yeah, you’re right. or not, maybe the support groups more like, you’re wrong, Jeremy, you’re full of shit, you know, you’re not right. And I’m like, Oh, yeah, well, maybe I need I need. I have people like that in my life. Like you like a like a Donnie title like Elise Archer, and I never had these people. You know, I’ve got friends in my life for a long, long time that have been lifelong friends. But what’s helped me tremendously is having these people that I can pull from, and talk to and be 100% vulnerable and honest with them, Hey, I suck at this. This is where I need to help that this is where, you know, this is what’s going through my mind right now, can you help, let’s talk about these things. But the biggest thing about that and having those relationships is actually being not only honest with the other people that you’re talking to you about being honest with yourself and checking the ego at the door and understanding it, the only way I’m going to really truly get out of the funk or truly get better is if I’m 100% authentic and 100% vulnerable with the person having the conversation with. And I’ve been very, very blessed over the last three or four years to have those people. And that’s made a huge difference in my life, maybe more than anything, is to fall on that support group. The people from all around the country, I mean, how you said you’re in Pennsylvania, and I’m in Indiana, and Danny’s in Florida, you know, he leases and you know, she’s in Georgia. I mean, we got people all over the country now in that’s made a big impact for for me and my life. And the most important thing about it, again, is that I’ve taken action towards that I haven’t just sat there and say, Oh, woe is me. I’m like, you know what, I’m gonna call these people, I’m gonna go reach out to them, and then tell them what I’m thinking. Because we can all sit in our worries and all around our doubts and our fears. And we can stay there forever. But until we actually reach out and say, You know what, I’m tired of this shit. This is not who I am. That’s not my authentic self. I need I need help. And actually take action, get the help. That’s what’s made the biggest impact for me in my life as well. It’s just the authenticity of who I truly am. And saying that, hey, I need help. I mean, that’s one of the most powerful words in the world is when you tell somebody that, hey, I need your help, you know?

Brandon Handley 7:35
No, you’re right. It’s a, well, I want to kind of call attention to this idea that and you had them on, right, you had a PR rush on the idea of the full lifters. Right? It’s not so much of getting this group around you have people that you’re not it was I think there’s a difference between like some people that you hang out with, and some people that support you, right, like, you’ve got the you’ve got this list of people that are supportive. And the I think they’re calling you on your shit, they let you they let you kind of step in it, right? They let you you’re like, Hey, this is what I’d like to go do. Yeah, if you’re having a conversation with Elise, if you’re having a conversation with Donnie, and you’re like, Hey, this is this is, this is what I’m gonna go do. They say, you know, they might give you a gut check, they might ask you a couple questions. But in the end, they’re gonna be like, well, if you feel like that’s what you need to do to make this progress for who you are, and go for it. How can I support that? Like, what can I do to do you need introductions to somebody? Do you need? Do you need a brand bass? manager? Do you need any of that stuff? Right? Like, how can I help you? What, what is what is what do I have, that can help you to become who it is that you’re looking to become? And I think that there’s a difference between those people who are supportive, those are the people that we’re talking about, versus people that you hang out with, because there’s people that you hang out with, or just hang out with, or just hang out with. And those people like, you know, if I if I’m, if I’m sharing a couple pieces out of your book, right, like, some people that you might just hang out with would be the couple of people that like, you know, back in the day to smoke some weed. Like, they’re just like, Hey, you know what, let’s this is this is what we’re doing today. Right? And then that’s it, but those aren’t the people that are going to be the ones that elevate you.

Jeremy Todd 9:28
Yeah, you know, it’s funny, I asked a question on my podcast the other day of pretty who I was talking to, I was talking to the founder of brand builder, or Yeah, not brand builders. Doesn’t matter. No, actually, that show will be out tomorrow. But I asked him, Do you still hang out with the people you grew up with? And you know, it’s interesting when you ask successful people that like that, it’s most of the time the answer is obviously is no. You know, and I don’t hate on these people. They’re their friends and they’ve, you’ve kind of developed who I was as a child which is made me who I am today. You know, I don’t, I don’t hold any grudges, or I’m not upset with them, it’s just over life and different experiences, you become different types of people. And then you begin following you know, the the old Jim Rohn, you’re the average of the five people you hang out with, you know, you start attracting different people with similar mindsets that, you know, I can’t have conversations like you and I are gonna have, like we’ve always had, with, you know, my buddies in the old neighborhood, you know, it’s just not gonna happen, because they just they don’t see that they’re not. You know, they’re, they’re not, I don’t want to hidden let’s say in the word they’re not let me sit for a better way to phrase that they just maybe have to just keep using the word not, but they haven’t experienced some of the things that I’ve experienced to be able to open their mind and allow the universe or your actual soul to be able to communicate one on one with that, with that, that energy and that power. And that really allows you to open up and that and pause or pause. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 11:03
that’s totally right. So what allows for something like that?

Jeremy Todd 11:05
Well, you know, I think a lot of times, you know, and I don’t want to get into too hardcore random stuff, but I think it’s with diet, I think it’s food, I think it’s how you, how you meditation, it’s really focused in on your mind, and like, understanding how powerful the mind really is. And I think when you you know, if you smoke cigarettes and drink seven days a week, and you’re doing all kinds of crazy drugs, or, you know, the lists are just eating terribly, I think these things block the connection with you and your inner soul and your inner being. The more cloudiness that isn’t, that is there. It’s just like, it’s almost like I see these people that are just going through life going through the motions, and they’re not really connected to that source energy and, and to be honest, I don’t know what that source energy is, either. I don’t. It’s hard for me to grasp my small mind around that. But I can feel that the energies when I walk into a room, I can feel that energy, a positive energy or a negative energy. And I say with my, my youngest daughter Moyo, my only daughter me, I think she’s extremely clairvoyant, I think she, she can feel energies better than anyone I’ve ever met my entire life, we could walk into a buildings, just but data just don’t the energy here, I’m like, Alright, let’s go, you know, to be able to be in touch with that power that is, within all of us, is something that is number one, because a lot people don’t understand it, don’t even know that it’s there. Which is, which is, which is a problem, I think, it’s it’s a problem with society and communication and, and growing as a as a one big, you know, as the population we all grow together. And I think that’s a problem that slows the evolution and the growth of a society in general. But, you know, when I, when I go back and talk about my daughter, and she can just, she can look at somebody and say, you know, I that person, I really liked that person’s energy. And

Brandon Handley 12:50
let me ask you this, right, like, and and did you feel maybe that it’s has something to do with you fostering that in your child and not saying no, to her, her her being able to pick that energy up? Sure. So and I guess I’ll take it a step further, is that is it that we all kind of have that innate connection, right? And instead of it being fostered in us, it was kind of like shunted away like, Hey, you know, what, you know, so I guess sounds like what you’re doing, again, is you’re, you’re fostering that in your in your daughter, and you’re allowing for her to explore these these gifts and this ability to not be fearful of connecting to we’ll call it source, we’ll call it like, anything like that, like her intuition. And saying, Yeah, you know, what is that? Tell me more versus you’re just being correct.

Jeremy Todd 13:48
And that’s the biggest thing you kind of hit the nail on the head with there is I don’t, you know, it’s only my kids know, I don’t tell them that that’s hardly really ever I tell them no, and I just ask more questions. But why do you want to do that? or Why? Or in the situation, my daughter? What does that feeling like? Like, somewhat? like random questions? Is it warm? Is it cold? What color is that energy? You know, and really let allowing her to her mind to really focus in on that and knowing that she’s in a safe place that, you know, we don’t she’s she can have those conversations, like you said, Well, I think, you know, a lot of society today that gets that gets beat down. That’s not something that’s really focused on I think it’s the most important thing to focus on, by far, but I think it gets blocked through, you know, maybe it’s, I don’t know, maybe it’s bad diet, maybe it’s too much technology, maybe it’s not being connected to the earth as much as I think people should be. There’s all kinds of things there. But you know, what it boils down to, it’s just when those conversations happen, I don’t I don’t tell her No, or that’s weird, or I don’t understand. I just asked questions. Wow, that’s amazing. Tell me more. How does it make you feel? What does that look like? You know, these look these random questions, and then she’ll just and she just goes on and on and on. On on her mat, you can just see it like, it’s really, really a little bizarre because it’s not that she’s, she’s not making it up. You know, you can tell when your kids are making something up. But she is so detailed, that she just, she just knows it. And she, it’s like she’s, it’s reality for her. It might be

Brandon Handley 15:24
real for everybody. what’s what’s on? Like, like I said most most is like, and we’re saying most of society’s like, she tries to shut that down, right? Or puts a fence up around that. What has given you the ability or the wherewithal desire to foster it versus just versus what the rest of society is doing?

Jeremy Todd 15:48
It’s good question. It’s, it’s not a single thing. It’s been many things. And we’ve talked about some of those ups and downs throughout my life. And you know, I’ve questioned, you know, you know, again, me being five foot 230 pounds soaking wet. Well, like what, you know, why am I? Why am I this height? Why am I this tall when I was, you know, I talked about in the book when I was sexually molested as a kid. Why did that happen? To me, it’s not, and I truly look at it, it’s not good. It’s not bad. It’s just an experience of my life that I’ve had to learn from becoming a minimalist was huge, not being attached to, you know, to physical items, not trying to compare myself to somebody else about their bigger house or big car. And because I just don’t really care, I really deep down, I don’t care. And if I really don’t care about any of that, societal, I try and check the ego as much as I possibly can. What will if you clear all those layers away, what it really boils down to is, hi, how can I learn from you? How can I get better? How can I be a better friend, a better parent, I just want to get better. And I want and I’m genuinely interested in people, like I’m genuinely interested in learning about experiences and what their thoughts are and totally non judgmental. Like, that’s the other thing. You know, I think in the society, we’re so it’s so built up to we’re fighting against each other instead of listening to each other. And that’s shared and celebrated this, this mob mentality, if you’re not with us, you’re against us. And that’s, that’s a major problem with society. And I think it’s, but it’s not easy to get to the point where I’m at either, because I’ve had these experiences throughout my life that have really kicked my egos ass and just say, you know, whoever, you’re not the coolest guy in the block, you know, you’re not the best looking guy in the block. But you know, what, what I feel like I do have is this just just curiosity about life, and curiosity and people of how do we connect on a different level, I will never judge you. I will never, I’ll never say anything hurtful to you. And if I do, it’s unintentional. But I just want to learn and I want to get better. And I want to know what’s after life. And I know want to know, I want to learn from different religions and what they believe and take all of this stuff together and just kind of live in the information. And that’s what I always say, I don’t know, what’s what’s, you know, what’s going to happen next. I don’t know what’s life after death. I just want to live in all the information and just experience.

Brandon Handley 18:18
Let me let me jump in. Right. So I think one of the one of the one of the things I’m challenged by maybe you can help me here is, you know, here’s where we are today, right? This is, that’s where you are today because of your experiences. How you know, if you had to talk to somebody where they are right now, you know, maybe yourself, you know, four years ago or five years ago? What’s that? What’s that conversation look like? And how is that different? Right? How can you impart some wisdom to somebody where they are now along the journey what would you say

Jeremy Todd 18:50
the biggest thing and the one of the one of the most important things that I’ve really worked on is my is listening. And and I know it sounds so basic and so you know just what he had, of course you’re gonna listen but before I was always listening to the person planning my response, and not even taking in and learning from the actual conversation because I would my ego was just so like, well I already know the answer to that I already know what’s going on I want to give you my opinion and not even fully hear the question So as I’ve in the last few years I’ve just really I’ve just more sat on the sidelines and just watched and listened and listened and then ask more questions. Because if I if I if I focus on me if I focus on what you know how its explained this a little better it’s it’s I’m not trying to win in any situation I’m trying to learn from the other person and and really experienced that their life and in just listen in like manner. How did they get to this point? How do what can they teach me how to how do I get better and then I’m, I’m really this The other thing too Which is, I think it’s important to I’m blown away with people’s stories. When people think their story is not important, it’s because you haven’t found the right person that’s actually listening to what, what you have to say, I think we are so tied into what we think society wants to hear, hear us say, we just tell people, whatever they want to hear instead of who we truly are as individuals. And I think when you start asking different, like different questions to people that they’ve never been asked before, it’s it’s amazing how people just start opening up and telling you, they’re all all these goals and dreams that they have that they’ve maybe never told anybody. And they feel so much better with the conversation, I feel so much better the conversation. But it all started with really, truly being interested in the other person. And checking the ego and just listening and being fascinated with their story. Because everyone has an amazing story. We’re just told and that our stories like everyone else’s, and it’s not, it’s completely different. And I love listening to people and love hearing their stories. And the more you listen, truly listen, you learn so much faster. And I’ve learned more about listening the last in my life in the last three or four years, I probably did my entire life. Because Yeah, it’s important.

Brandon Handley 21:19
The idea of Yeah, I heard it recently. And it was Bob Proctor. So my guy, right, like, turn them off a little bit, and you jump back in again, and you listen, you know, you hear with your ears, but you listen with your heart. Right. I thought that was pretty powerful line. And then, um, you know, outside of my story, which ones had the most like impact on you over the past couple years?

Jeremy Todd 21:51
repeat that, quote, repeat the question again, like, outside of what now,

Brandon Handley 21:54
outside of my story. Which one? Which one, which one you think like, over the past four years has really motivated you or had the greatest impact on you?

Jeremy Todd 22:06
You know, there’s been a lot of stories and a lot of people that have impacted me tremendously. And you know, it’s just so fun because some people push me because I’m selfish, a little jealous. Like I, I, I see my friends like, like, and again, it’s just it’s the ego talking again. But, you know, I see guys, like, you know, like Donnie Tuttle loved on me. You know, Donnie, and I were in a coaching company together and quit cold turkey. And he’s making enemies just making great money and changing lives. And it’s huge. And in what that does for me, and I want all of us to go to the bank together. I all want us to be successful all I want all of us to change our lives. But he motivates me. He is very humbling. He’s very open. His story is pretty powerful. I don’t want to get into like some of the other stuff that he that he struggled with, but but he begin those conversations that we have off the mic and that and outside that it makes us both better. It has really, really changed my life. You know, it’s funny, this something small recently happened to me last week, and I was I applied for a TED talk here in Fort Wayne. And I got turned down. So I’m, I was I think I’m more excited that I got turned down, then I got accepted. Because it gives me this, like, you know what, a few pals. You don’t say this, like this. That’s what I needed to prove to myself, but I’m on the right path. Because that if you can’t accept me in my own hometown, to speak a TED talk, because I got a TED talk. I think it’s on my vision board. And I want to get that done. But for them to turn me down. that inspires me as well. Because it’s just it’s, it’s, it’s almost like the University in here. Jeremy, I know you wouldn’t be on on do this sets off, but you’re not quite ready yet. And like, you know what, maybe I’m not a dog. I’m gonna keep fighting. I’m gonna keep doing I’m not gonna quit. That’s, that’s, you know, those two stories are completely different. But really that that that TEDx getting turned down from that made a really big impact on me recently. Because, you know, it’s just like, it’s almost like the universe politely saying, Jeremy, you’re not good enough. Still. Like, you know what? That’s cool, man. I’m not giving up yet.

Brandon Handley 24:26
Right? I would look at it maybe a little bit differently. Right. I would look at it maybe as in shit. At least they emailed me back. They know who I am. For sure. I would look at it as kind of like evidence of things to come. Right. Like they My name is already. You don’t know that. You don’t know that in two weeks, whoever they they’ve already accepted. falls out. And then then maybe I’ll check out this positive side guy. Yeah, maybe. Maybe. And Todd. And yeah, look, Danny’s story is just so great because it’s so So real, it’s genuine, right? There’s nothing fake about how he got to where he is. And there’s no smoke and mirrors. There’s any everything done for the right reasons. I just love it. Right.

Jeremy Todd 25:14
Yeah, you know, it’s one of those guys that I call a friend, you know, a true friend. And you know, you know, you are a true friend of mine. Dan is a true friend of mine. Lisa is a true friend of mine. I mean, I’ve got it’s just beautiful as all these people are so beautifully authentic. And in it for the right reasons. Like they, you know, we’re doing this because we love what we do. And we’re changing lives not fake. We’re not doing this to get become billionaires. I mean, there’s a lot of other ways we could do that. But

Brandon Handley 25:43
a lot faster. Yeah, for sure. Initially, I was right. Like, I wasn’t in it for the right reasons in the beginning, and but that’s all part of my journey. Right. And I love it. I love it. I love I love that that’s been part of the journey. You’ve mentioned the universe, and you’ve mentioned kind of like, you know, spirit and energy, you know, and it’s been maybe a year since we kind of talked last word, what’s your stance these days? Man? What do we got? We’ve got a grand architect is what is what is fear? And how’s it working through you and for you to you these days?

Jeremy Todd 26:17
You know, it’s, it’s, it’s very interesting asset. Because I think about it, I literally think about it every day. And it’s weird like it, you know, when I was born and raised Catholic, so, you know, sometimes when I felt I found comfort when going through my 20s and early 30s, of praying at night praying to, to a God that, that, you know, the white bearded guy. And you know, as that kind of evolved, and I kind of got away from all aspects of really, of any, any sort any, any kind of like a structure and religion completely gone out of that. I go back to, like, even like, like last week, two weeks ago, I thought I caught myself, like praying again, which is really weird. But it’s not praying to the same God. It’s praying to this all knowing power of energy, whatever that is, and I still don’t know what it is. I don’t there’s something there’s got to be something there. And I don’t know if it’s I don’t know, man. I why,

Brandon Handley 27:25
why Why? Why is there got to be something there, right? I mean,

Jeremy Todd 27:28
I don’t know. Yeah, you know, you know, I had a guy on there talking about a few weeks ago, and he’s got something retreats, the whole retreats. And you know, he specializes in suicide. And I asked him and I asked him, his Is there life after death? Is there a god? And he said, unequivocally 100% Yes. And as you’d go through these different journeys of these mind altering experiences, you see that how much more is actually out there and we live you know, in this one dimension of of whatever my my quote unquote reality is, however, when you take mind altering drugs, you realize that there are so much more going on within the brain within this universe within this realm. Again, it goes back to it’s just so gigantic, like how do I even comprehend that and I you know, not to go on Tinder, but even like space and time continuance, you know, there’s, there’s theories of you know, every black hole has a million other galaxies and universes with a million other black holes in them that continues to go on forever and ever infinity. And then you know, the multi universe thing where exactly what we’re doing right now is happening on another planet. A billion trillion miles away on some random planet that’s very close to ours. But maybe it’s my podcast called the spiritual spiritual open near the positive side guy. Yeah, yeah, but there’s just there’s just all these things that I think about and I’m like, Well, is there one all mighty power being that is running all of this? The universe is from billions and billions of galaxies away?

Brandon Handley 29:02
I can’t read something outside Do you think it’s something outside of you?

Jeremy Todd 29:07
I don’t know. Maybe not. Maybe Maybe that maybe that maybe that is the maybe that is one of those but I I just when I look at how massive everything is and with the universities and space and galaxies like how can there be one all power being for everything? Is this the only unit is this the only I guess universe that we are is there’s your multi universes is there different things going I don’t I can’t grasp my I can’t grasp that concept. So I don’t and then that’s why I live in this like study of just listening to things feed trusting my gut when things are going well. I feel like there’s like that little energy that is above me of powerful me but like you said, maybe it is me itself. Maybe I am that it Eternal energy I just had, it’s just a lot to think about. And I don’t try and even claim that I know what the hell’s going on. I just, but I listened to everybody and understand that I’m not smart enough, I don’t know enough to be able to make that decision to decipher that set makes any sense at all. It’s so big to you. It’s

Brandon Handley 30:22
fair, it is big. And it is a lot. I mean, look, that’s the that’s the gist of this podcast, right? How do you? How do you kind of once you once you come in contact with that source, right, you felt that you like, and it’s like now now that you’re here, right? You know, had Krista on the podcast, and her podcast title was I’m awake. So now what? Right? I’m like, God, what a perfect podcast name. But yeah, so you’re awake. Now? What? How do you incorporate this newfound levels spirituality? Or re connected with your spirituality and your like? Because I mean, conversation earlier, you’re talking about like, you don’t need anything, you don’t need XYZ, you’re detached from the necessary, you know, all these things. Right? Well, what’s the keep you Jeremy from just, you know, rolling out and coming a monk at this point, right?

Jeremy Todd 31:17
Well, yeah. You know, I don’t know, I know what you were talking about that to what I was kind of thinking about is, you know, it’s interesting, when when I think about this, this energy or whatever, this, this higher power sources, it’s interesting, because it’s not always there all the time. So, you know, I’ll go through days where I’m just going through the motions, it’s normal day, and I’m just a normal person living through let me ask

Brandon Handley 31:39
you this, I’m gonna I’m gonna jump in. Right. Yeah. Is it? Is it that it’s not always there? Or is that you’re not always aware of it?

Jeremy Todd 31:47
I’m not always aware of it.

Brandon Handley 31:48
100%? Because I would have to say, I mean, this is this has been my experience, right? I would have to say that it’s always there. It’s, it’s kind of up to us to tune into it. Right. It’s like we’re driving around, you’re driving around. You turned into a podcast earlier. Yeah. You turned into you know, Satan, same thing. You’re like, you know, what happens if I tuned in and soars right now? What source? What source up to?

Jeremy Todd 32:08
Yeah, exactly. And that’s what’s it’s just very interesting, because, and I agree with you, the source is always there. However, it’s it’s am I tuned in Am I not tuned in and, you know, it’s, it’s like the typical person, a lot of typical, but, you know, when times are really, really good, you’re like, man, Hey, thank you source energy, this is all good. When times are really really shitty, you’re like, Oh, my God, I need your help. And then every once in a while, in the middle, it’s like, you know, I’m just gonna check in here and there. But that’s one thing I’d like to work on is just as really be, you know, just get better just can be more present, be more in tune with the with that energy and understand that it’s always there. Things are happening. It’s just, you know, hey, I’m just an average Joe just trying to get through it and working my way through this complicated mental test that I always think about. And I wouldn’t have it any other way. I mean, I really want it because I just find these conversations fascinating. And that just allows you to be needed to remind yourself and think bigger and think. And just really think I mean, that’s what I really enjoy

Brandon Handley 33:08
about that. Right? Let’s talk about that for a second. Because you are having an impact, right, regardless of whether or not you feel like you’re driving it through, you know, spirituality or some other way, for the, for the purpose of this podcast, you are driving it spirituality, you know, through a spiritual sense, you know, what kind of impact or you feel like you’re having out there in the world today?

Jeremy Todd 33:30
You know, that’s, it’s a great question, because it allows it, you know, the first answer is, I don’t know, it’s just, it’s an ego, like, you know, I know, I’m making a big impact out there, you know, and you got to give yourself permission to say that you are making a big difference. And it’s okay. You know, I mean, it’s okay to say that, and I’ve worked really, really hard on that. Because, you know, you and I had a conversation about two years ago, that made a big impact on my life. And this is very similar what we’re talking about here and that question, because, you know, we talked about how I use, I use when I want to go to Chipotle, I’ve been there forever. And I always I always buy the person behind me launch. And that when I run out before they could actually get now acknowledge that, you know, bottom lunch, because I wasn’t accepting that, that time of gratitude. Like it’s okay. To have someone thank you for that. You know, and so when you ask a question like that, it just makes me go right back to that question that you asked, you asked me. So that’s made a huge impact on my life. And I’ve actually tried to share that story about 1000 times because it’s, it’s so right, man, it’s so right. So if I go back to the question in my what what kind of impact my making I’m thinking I truly make? I think I’m making a gigantic impact. And it is it’s it’s not numbers wise, you know, and I’m not trying to say I’m making a billions and billions of people changing all their lives, but the lives that I’m changing are gigantic. I had, you know, I get emails, you know, once twice a week that just say, you know, Jeremy I found your podcast, I tried to commit suicide three weeks ago, and I didn’t know what I was gonna do I, luckily, I didn’t go, I didn’t succeed at doing that. And then I stumbled across your podcast, then how it’s made such a big impact in my life in such a short amount of time. So when you talk about making an impact with that person, that that one person’s life, and I know, there’s more out there, and you know, I’ve got stories and emails, which I still save, because it makes it makes me feel good. But that one person? I mean, is that person going to have a, you know, another, it was younger person, I think, mid 20s? Maybe that

Brandon Handley 35:34
person worth it? That’s worth it. All right. So it’s all worth it, though. It’s funny, because he says, you know, you don’t feel like you’re touching maybe billions or millions. But if you think about it, right, throughout the course of at least four years now, you know, with each person that you that listens, you know, throughout the past, you know, of course of four years, how many people have they talked to and interacted with and that network kind of the year that the multiplier effect over over time? I’ll bet you by now, you know, you’ve you’ve impacted at least a billion.

Jeremy Todd 36:09
Yeah, yeah. And that’s a good point, too. Because you know, it You never know, the whole butterfly effect and how it’s affecting people down the down the road. And like, you’ve said, that young lady reached out to me, man, I mean, who’s to say she has a, you know, a beautiful family has a couple of kids after that, and then changed her life? And has these kids like, what changed the world? You know, for sure.

Brandon Handley 36:26
You just never know, the change in the world. Right? Like, I mean, yeah, no, you don’t know. So you know, if we’re, if we’re talking about somebody or something, and I got to imagine that, at a certain point, you kind of you were pulled through, like your insides, right for gut feeling to do your podcast, right? You were pulled to you know, you’re like, I gotta get on the mic. Yeah, right. Um, what do you think is part of that? What drove that?

Jeremy Todd 36:54
It was really the I mean, it was the the opportunity to make an impact. I just, I’m a firm believer that we all have this message, we all have this message in, I have been blessed with the gift of gab, to tell my stories, and be 100% authentic, to allow people that have going through the same things that have gone through the same things to say, hey, it’s okay that I went through these things. And you know, I talked about it one on one. I’m not trying to do a cheap blog, but in the book, I talk about, you know, me when I was a younger, yeah, that’s right. Getting getting molested from a friend, you know, and there are so many people that this has probably happened to that, that have lived with this. Now, when I put the book out, and I had even another family member reached out and said, this is completely different situation. But she said she went to the same exact thing. I have been blessed with the gift of gab, and I’ve been blessed with the confidence and the, I don’t know, if you want to call it arrogance than to say that I don’t, I just don’t give a shit what anybody else thinks about me. I truly don’t I truly don’t give a shit. If that’s true, and I know this ability, that God higher being, whatever you want to say, has given me this opportunity, if I don’t take advantage of it, what impact what negative impact would that it made on the world and the lives that I should have changed that never did? You know, it’s like the where’s the most successful place in the world, it’s, you know, the the cemetery because we all we die with these ideas in our in our mind and never put them out there. And I wasn’t going to allow that to happen. The podcast started out originally just you know, I knew that this message would need to get out. But over time, like everything is chatting a little bit more authentic, a little bit more real and the lives that has changed and are getting bigger and making a bigger impact. And but it’s I was given a gift and and i’m using the gift to share the message man and you know, I friends, I’m sure you have said the same thing that you’ve had people tell you what are you doing? You know, why would you do that? This is stupid doesn’t make any sense? Are you making any money? That was?

Brandon Handley 39:05
Absolutely that those are a couple of the next questions. Right. So you know that the next question really comes from you know, you’ve got these naysayers, right? You’ve got these people that are doing the Kukui crap, right? The the people that are you know, you’re you’re in there and they’re trying to pull you back down. But you move move ahead. Anyways, there has to be a little bit of fear and trepidation and that you want to talk about getting through that.

Jeremy Todd 39:33
I had a lot of fear. I was, you know, a lot of it was just anger. It was, you know, it showed me that and this was partially mostly my fault as well that people didn’t really know who I was. people’s opinion and thoughts of me was not reality of actually who I truly was as an individual because I I played to society. You know, I was like, everyone Yes, I did. You know, I had the nice cars, I had the big house, I did all the, you know, I would partying all the time with all these random people that you look back and they’re still doing it. And that’s, um, but that was never me. That was never who I truly was. So, and I, you know, I don’t want to say use the word blame, because that’s that’s saying that there’s a negative connotation to that, but it was my fault that I wasn’t really being who I actually was.

Brandon Handley 40:24
You were you. You were, was it true, then you maybe had a little bit of victim mentality?

Jeremy Todd 40:32
Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, if you go there with with, with my height, and you know, some of the personal stuff I went through 100% Yeah. 100% and,

Brandon Handley 40:40
and just just so what is victim mentality, then? What’s that mean?

Jeremy Todd 40:44
Well, for me, it was like, it was why I’ve been screwed, because I’m the short guy. So I’m gonna overcompensate and try and try and prove to other people that I’m, I’m just as cool as you are, quote, unquote, cool as you are, even though I’m five, two, and, you know, I’ve got a, you know, a bonus shoe as well. And I’ve got all these other issues. But, you know, it was almost like I was I had to prove to others and not prove to myself that I was worthy. And that that was a cyst or something, you know, I probably still struggle they can relate to it just said that out loud. That makes a lot of sense to me. Now that I just said that out loud that I, I tried to prove to others who I was, instead of proving to myself who I actually was, you know, and I think when I accepted that, and really, man, hey, I’m, I’m 40. I’ll be 43 here a couple months. I probably haven’t accepted that. And so I was probably 3849. You know, but that’s my journey. You know, it’s that’s how long it took me. It’s not right, wrong or indifferent. But that’s how long it’s taking me to get to this point now in my life that I just, I’m happy with who I am.

Brandon Handley 41:47
I gotta wonder sometimes if that’s just not the natural evolution, you know, that’s when it’s supposed to happen. Yeah, it’s as I was listening to something the other day, and I forget exactly what it was. But like, you know, you can’t rush that kind of thing. Right? You can’t force it. Yeah. Right. And, and you can’t time it, but you can get pretty close to the time. Yeah. So then the, give me a spiritual dope, right? So give me an idea of what’s a hit of like, kind of spiritual dope for you.

Jeremy Todd 42:21
What is a hit for spiritual dope from

Brandon Handley 42:24
so you know, spiritual dope is like, you know, just when you’re feeling connected to source, right, so what’s one of your hits?

Jeremy Todd 42:30
By far, this is the one that most I love this time of year. I mean, yeah, this time of year, and reason being is when I can walk outside, and I can walk their feet barefoot in my backyard. And I can be 100% connected to what would actually connected to nothing, you know, but connected to myself, and then the planet and the birds and the bees and the flowers in the wind. And that, that, that, you know, you get euphoric. I mean, I get chills just thinking about it. Because that’s, that’s what life really is. That’s like, that’s like the basis of, of reality of life. And when you walk back into the house, or walk back, get back into the car, it’s like, you’re right back into society, and you’re like, it’s just a different world. You know, years ago, when I was in California, were the greatest things I did. And I’ll never forget this as I watched the sunset, for 30 straight days in California. And I would go out on this little bench and there was, you know, the sunset was set over this, this like little valley. And, you know, I’d always look at all the different colors and all that, and just how beautiful it was. And I would sit there meditate, or just take deep breaths in breaths out and be present in that time. That’s when you know, like, spiritual dope, that’s about the biggest hit of spiritual nobody could possibly have is because that’s, that’s when you know, things are bigger than you. And, and I just feel so much better. I feel like I just have so much more energy and so much more meaning to live. And this is why I’m here and I need to enjoy this. And so the springtime and you get to the winter of gray and everything like that. It’s terrible to the winter, and even today, we’re a couple inches of snow, which is terrible in April. But next week 70 it’ll be 70 degrees on Monday, and I take that time like what I said outside and just listen to the birds and the wind and just be at peace and it’s the best thing in the world for me.

Brandon Handley 44:23
I love it man connecting with nature,

Jeremy Todd 44:24
right? Absolutely, the most important thing I can do.

Brandon Handley 44:27
So something’s gonna happen. This didn’t happen today. But I’m gonna do a little bit of conversion on this podcast. I’m gonna shorten it a little bit. And I’m gonna turn it into a little bit more of kind of like a spiritual speed dating Jeremy like, you know, somebody who’s kind of speed dating Jeremy Todd today listening to podcast and they’re like, Am I spiritually attracted to Jeremy Todd, right. So I think I’m gonna ask you like one or two like these kind of random questions that are it’s actually 20 questions that came up and like, talking to, you know, some of the top 100 spiritual people, right can, you know, let’s take one segment of the easier ones? Um, what is wisdom? And how do we gain it?

Jeremy Todd 45:10
What is wisdom? And how do we get it? You know, I think, for me, wisdom is it’s the it’s the tough times, but it’s not the tough times. It’s how you react to the tough times. Because I, I, you know, it’s kind of like the deal failure question that I asked on my on my show as well. But wisdom has. I’ve been through so many tough times, you know, so I look back. And now when tough times happen, I reflect back on how I react in that situation. And I’m like, Well, you know, I learned so much from that situation that I’m not going to react is one of the strongest things I do is when there’s turmoil, and when there’s aggression and arguing, and I am the the calmest guy in the room. I just sit there and I’m patient. Because I’ve learned that when you when you the first reaction you have in a situation like that is usually the wrong one is coming from a place of where Wait, wait, wait, wait, the

Brandon Handley 46:02
first reaction is not the best one.

Jeremy Todd 46:04
Yeah, correct. Yeah, for me, it’s 100%. For me, it’s not. And but but that takes that’s that takes time. That takes wisdom because I’ve been down that road where I’ve made these decisions, where it’s just a snap decision. Like, man, I shouldn’t have said that. I’ve, I’ve learned how to sit back and relax. How’d you how’d you learn to cultivate that? It was really through breathing. And that’s been the biggest thing for me. And you know, when when, when you’re in that situation, you feel like time’s going by a million miles an hour, I’ve learned to just kind of sit back, take two or three deep breaths. And it just allows your brain to reset and what’s kind of wild, whatever, which I love is,

Brandon Handley 46:41
is there any kind of just, I mean, is there any kind of certain breath that that is right? Like, I mean, can you illustrate that for somebody that might be looking to figure it out, for me,

Jeremy Todd 46:49
it’s easy, it’s just through the nose, I mean, because there’s so many other pathways through the nose that it allows your brain to to absorb the oxygen a little bit different than it is to your mouth, and through your lungs. So it’s very, very slow. And then I always pause, send them out through the mouth. And then it’s a shorter breath as well through the nose. And it just allows you to gain composure. And and what’s been amazing about that, too, is that allows the other person that has been super aggressive, almost kind of pause. And then you can almost see gears start changing with other people. It’s, it’s beautiful to see. But I do that with my kids. I do that with, you know, relatives, to get an argument with, I’m just, I’m not calm, cool. Like the guy just I just don’t get upset anymore. I don’t you won’t catch me raising my voice you won’t catch me yelling at anybody. Because I just sit back, relax, take that deep breath and then ask questions.

Brandon Handley 47:46
I love it. What, um, what are you up to man? What’s next? What’s up? So, you know, where should people kind of go and connect with Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 47:54
Well, you know, I’m really focused on my YouTube channel. I’ve got 175 people there. And I put a lot of videos up there, I put all the podcasts, put the money motivation on there, that’s super important. Instagram has been great for me as well. And, you know, the biggest thing for me is I’ve signed there’s been a few people that have come on to the, to the coaching program recently. And, you know, it’s interesting, and I always tell the clients that come on, hey, this is all mindset coaching. And I know there’s all kinds of different labels for coaching and that’s something I always struggle with like, Am I a sales coach, I’m am I you know, you know, they’re all the other cliche words for coaching and then some, I think it waters it down a lot but I think as overtime that when you listen to the podcast and you know how focus I’m mind setting in gaining this knowledge that people have started reaching really reaching out to me working on one on one with me, and it’s been a salad changed my life, but to change other people’s lives as well in you know, down the future, I just decided to work with more people. That’s always fun. So you can always find me on YouTube and Instagram and you know, LinkedIn and all the other places. But I think one on one is probably the best, you know, shoot, you know, shoot me an email Jeremy at Jeremy Todd calm and you’ve got questions. Hopefully I got the answers.

Brandon Handley 49:08
And we’re new Where can I find your podcast?

Jeremy Todd 49:11
I’m everywhere. You know, iTunes, Stitcher, Pandora is but actually been great. I’ve been I’ve had five or six people in the last few weeks, reach out to me and say, I found your podcast on Pandora. So it’s just search and Jeremy, you’ll be able to find me really, really quickly. Also on on iTunes, you can find me quickly there. But also, you know, keep in mind on my Facebook page, I put all the videos up there. You’ll be up there here in about a week or so is to be great. And then on YouTube, but all the interviews on YouTube as well. So some people you know, it’s depends how you take in things that are your audio and will listen to you what are you going to actually watch it? There’s several different ways to catch the podcast as well now, but it’s going better now than it’s ever been. And I’m just excited about the future.

Brandon Handley 49:51
I think I think that’s fantastic. I think what you’re what you’re illustrating is is persistence and passion in action. Right? You know, you’ve decided to, to, to, to continue with this thing. And what I love is that you’ve continued it throughout the quote unquote bad times. Right? Yeah, the tough times. And they say that that’s kind of where the character shows up the character, the character of a man, or a person doesn’t show up in as much in the good times as it does the bad times 100%. So I appreciate that you’ve been able to maintain the podcast, continue to look for the positive elements. And from my from my perspective, positive doesn’t mean like, Hey, this is all sunshine and roses. Positive means how do we make progress from this point that we’re at today? Right. So I appreciate you leading the way I appreciate your friendship overall, all these years and not just being able to have these conversations and I’m really proud of you but for getting your book out the positive side, how I overcame bullying, bankruptcy and a bad attitude. My true identity. Brother, thanks so much for being nice. I appreciate you, brother.

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Join in the conversation as we host Elyse Archer of She Sells this week on Spiritual Dope.

Connect with Elyse over at: https://elysearcher.com/

Also, Elyse, mentioned the book The Diamond Cutter, check it out below:

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. The voice of a generation as we know, Mays was self self indulge every once in a while and I’m on with a quite somebody quite special Elise Archer. And I’m just gonna, I’m gonna let her do the bio for herself in a second here. But before I do that, like Elise is the reason I do a podcast. Right? Before I met Elise, I’d never listened to a podcast, or I was like, fuck podcasts. Like, that’s not for me. And when I when I met Elise, Alicia, we’re doing your podcast with Greg and, Mark. Good. Morning. Yeah. And, you know, and then you know, we’re connecting at some of the networking events. And then I eventually hired you as my coach. And then when we got through the coach, it was for sales coaching, we got midway through the coaching. And I was like, This is more like, I’m getting life coach than sales coach. And and it’s okay, because it’s transferable, but like, as like, Well, you know, what, at least what we’ve been working on, like, it’s been the sales, but I really want to do this, like podcasts, and I was fully expecting you to be like, eyes on the prize brand and focus on what you said you were gonna focus on and you got it. And instead of doing that, instead of doing that, you’re like, well, how can I help you? Right, and you connect them with some other people. And that moment that that was like a life changing moment for me. So thank you for that. And I’m gonna let you do your own little brief intro. Like Elise, what do you all about? And share a little bit of that? And then we’ll get it going.

Elyse Archer 1:36
Oh, my gosh, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s so cool, just to see what you’ve created in a short amount of time and to see the evolution of it as well. So yeah, thank you so much. I was just thinking before cutting on his podcast, this is so much fun for me, because I do most of the podcast interviews I do or straight business sales, personal branding. And so this is pushing my limits, because this is actually the stuff I care about, like this is, this is the real, I feel like everything I do in the sales and business world is kind of the Trojan horse to try to like, talk to people about spirituality and help them just develop and grow personally. So this is so much fun. Okay, so with that about me, I’m a new mom. So I’ve got a little boy, he’s six months old. And that’s so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it’s the best. I love it. I didn’t know how I was gonna feel elevated. I

Unknown Speaker 2:24
know.

Elyse Archer 2:26
My gosh, No, I know. And he’s kind of he’s past that, like the blob stage now. So he’s doing things which was, but especially for my husband, Jason, I think it’s more fun for him now that he can interact. And, yeah, I’m a business owner. So I do a couple different things. I’m a founding team member of a company called brandbuilders group or a personal brand, strategy firm. And then I also recently launched another brand that I’m running called T cells. And it’s a it’s basically sales, training and mentoring for women who want to break through six figures and learn to sell in a way that feels really authentic to them. And we can, you know, take this conversation wherever you want it to go. But that’s a lot of my background is coming from corporate sales and seeing, you know, sales and business strategies celebrated that, frankly, made me feel like crud when I implemented them, because they either kind of blurred the lines of integrity, or were all about Push, push, push, hustle, and I did it, I did what I was taught, and I financially, I did pretty well. But it was really, really detrimental to not just my mental health, my physical health too. And so a lot of my own journey has been about I would say, reconnecting with myself, like how I’m actually wired, how I was innately designed and learning to trust myself, trust my instincts, trust my body, trust my intuition. And, and I’m really lit up now about helping everyone do that. But specifically, I my brand really is catering to women, because I think so much of what we’re taught, just growing up is like, we, you know, our bodies look wrong, or they’re not the way they should be, or they’re for other people’s pleasure. And it’s just, it’s really disempowering. And so, I’m so passionate about helping myself reconnect with my power and then helping other women reconnect with their power as well. So that’s, that’s a little sliver of what I’m all about.

Brandon Handley 4:15
Just a tidbit.

Unknown Speaker 4:16
Yeah. Just a little bit.

Brandon Handley 4:18
I love it. I love it, you know. And again, you know, when we connected, it was just, I think it was a, it was just an interesting journey. You You and I are connection, right? And just kind of how that how that all? We’ll call it manifested. And let’s start off with the first question that so we have all day to talk. So usually like to start us off with, you talked about connecting with your power always align it with like source, right? So the idea is that source speaks through us to speak to somebody else, right, you kind of get this divine inspiration to share something with somebody else. So the deal is there’s somebody listening to this podcast today that needs you to kind of ignite them to connect them to their power through a message. And what does that message to that person today? At least?

Elyse Archer 5:08
I love that question. I mean, the biggest thing that shows up for me is to trust yourself. That’s like I said, that’s so much of what I feel inspired to share with this brand. And like I mentioned before, a lot of my journey, especially in my teens, and 20s, were, it was it was not trusting myself, and whether that was not not being proud of my body. And I struggled with an eating disorder for 17 years, or feeling like something was just off with, like a client situation or something I was being told to do at work. All the way to, you know, when we got pregnant for the first time, a couple years ago, I went into sheer panic, that I was like, I just, I felt like I was going to lose the pregnancy. And I went into sheer panic about it. Sure enough, we miscarried. And I learned in that moment, I didn’t trust my body. And it’s been so interesting, this journey of learning to I think a lot of times we have to like kind of be brought to our knees to be able to be open to whatever that that message is that we’re meant to receive, and then carry forth into the world for other people. And that was it for me. But then even talking with my mom about it, a lot of her own experience, too, was she didn’t trust her body. And I think a lot of this stuff goes back generationally. So you know that, whatever that thing is that you feel like you want to do, but you can’t do or you have this intuition to do something or you’re like that logically doesn’t make sense. If I could encourage someone to listen to it, and trust that it doesn’t have to make sense for anyone other than you and to kind of stop looking outside of yourself. Even I promise, I’ll be quiet in a second. So you can respond or ask your next question. But I think about the coach I’m working with right now like this was I just did a pretty big financial investment to work with a new coach. And I knew that it was going to trigger all of my scarcity mindset that I was part of me was still clinging on to I knew it. And sure enough, a couple of weeks in it did. And I knew in my core, my intuition this whole time that it was the right move. But logically, it would not be anything that my dad would have told me to do, it would have been anything that a lot of even business mentors, who I look up to would tell me to do and I was on a call with her a couple weeks ago, and I said, I found myself going into panic about making the wrong decision. She was like, when do you find yourself going into panic about that. And I said, usually I’m reading, it’s when I’m reading like a business book, or I’m listening to financial management training from somebody else. And she was like, stop it, cut it off for the next three weeks, no consumption of any of that stuff. And I cut it off, and I feel so at peace. So it’s not that we want to not learn and educate ourselves and challenge our thinking. But I think at the end of the day, you know, your best path for you. And you have to trust that everything that you’re doing and when you act on those instincts, it’s always unfolding for the greater good and for your greater good. So sometimes just putting those blinders on and trusting that you know, what you need to do, is the most powerful thing you can do. So that would be my message.

Brandon Handley 8:14
After keeping it short.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
I’m gonna be all day

Brandon Handley 8:20
I kid I kid I love it. I love it all like and one of the parts where you brought it to know you had to kind of come to your knees right to just kind of accept your your intuition piece for a lot of people would you consider that? You? d a fearful, dark night of the soul for you? Would you consider that a moment of a or maybe like even a dark night of the soul? Whatever, right? And then and then, you know, there’s the idea I love I love what you’re saying there with with your coach, because I bet you it’s almost like it’s almost like a deprivation for you knowing how much you consume to improve or be better or find another technique or whatever, right? Like Hmm, I have to cut all that off. Right like so you probably feel a little bit like a junkie having to withdraw from that at least look and I know this from my own experience, right? I’m like, I’m like What do you mean? Don’t Don’t do it all like right now.

Elyse Archer 9:16
So it was in that did one thing I’ll just add to that is like, she really kind of pushed me with that cuz she was I was like, but I love learning and learning is good. And I love reading. She was like, that’s your comfort zone. She said, study yourself for three weeks. Just study yourself. Whoa, this is so uncomfortable. But that’s right. That’s what we need.

Brandon Handley 9:33
Well, that’s tough, too. Right. So jumping in there and studying yourself. And what I’ll throw in there though, too, is like, so it’s very, I’m still going through this book again. Right? Like, are you ready to succeed? I can’t remember if I saw I might have sent you one too. I can’t recall if I did. I think I sent you have a kid’s book that isn’t yours. Yeah, I

Elyse Archer 9:50
don’t I’m not familiar with this book. So

Brandon Handley 9:52
this is Sreekumar Rao. This is actually by way of Elise Archer at some point. It was back in the day when we were doing the coaching There was a guy that I looked up Sreekumar Rao on like, you know, you are hardwired for happiness, right? And turned out like, you almost cried, watching his little story or whatever. And I was like, Alright, well, I gotta get his book, got his book, yada yada went through it. But one of the pieces in here it’s just really talks about there’s two pieces in here that you’re saying that resonate with me. And one is like, talking about putting all that effort in, right? Like I gotta do I gotta do I got consumed content consume content, you were finding like each time you like power, something that didn’t correlate with how you were feeling or doing it was like, it was like, striking the wrong chord. Right? Quite literally. It’s like, you’re like that is that is out of that is that’s out of tune with who I am. Oh, my God, I need to make an adjustment because this person, you wrote this book, he’s an authority. Right? He

Unknown Speaker 10:48
knows. Oh, my gosh, I

Brandon Handley 10:50
shouldn’t Holy shit. Did I do the wrong thing? Right. So that that’s one piece, right? is to not let the wrong thought in your head. Right? It’s better. It’s like better like like literally cut yourself like with a razor. He says in this book, this came from like a Swami. Right? It’s better to cut yourself like a razor than to let the wrong thought into your head. Hmm. Right. which I know sounds to me. Like, you know, that’s that’s kind of what was happening to you. Like, you know, you’re you’re on your path. But you’re like, you like this guy’s awesome. I love 98% of what he does. But this piece right here is just like a BB in my mind, right? breaking all my shit. And thank you so much. Right? And then and then the other piece is like, we’re trying to do it so fast. Right? We’re trying to we’re trying to do is we want it so bad. We’re trying to do it so fast. There’s another story in this book where he talks about the idea of, you know, if you try to do it so fast, and with so much energy, it’s actually gonna take twice as long. So it sounds like your coach sounds really similar to what your coach is saying is they stop taking all this like outside influence and jam in all this into your cranium. Study yourself, trust yourself. And that’s what you’re saying to is like, kind of trust yourself and believe in yourself and kind of tune out all the other shit.

Elyse Archer 12:01
Yeah, well, that’s so interesting what you said about if you try to like, push and force it into it so fast, it’ll take twice as long. It’s interesting. I hadn’t thought about it like that. But because it’s counterintuitive. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. Because you’re kind of going up river versus letting yourself flow and stuff, right?

Brandon Handley 12:18
Yeah. here’s, here’s how, like, I’ve visualized it more recently. And this is like, this year, right? Imagine, like, you feel like you’re literally putting all the thought energy or whatever things, right? If we’re putting all this energy into this place, right? Then nothing can get in. So if we create space for something to come in, right, if we back up for a second, and let it come to us, then it comes to us, right? Because otherwise we’re blocking it. We’re like, I’ve got to put everything into this spiritual energy, right? Like, I’ve got to put all of my, you know, essence energy into this thing. And I want it so bad. If it doesn’t, we’ve got all these things caught up with it. And instead of like, I do really want it I want it really bad, but like, I want it and kind of like, the way I like flowers and, you know, gardens and stuff where if I go and I plan it, you know, there’s that whole other thing to where, like, you know, if you plant something you don’t keep pulling it up, right? And check into the roots and be like, you plan it. Come back up. Yes, it does what it’s supposed to do. Yeah, it’ll do anyways. And those are some thoughts that are like, you know, coming on mine is I’m hearing your story, right? I’m hearing like your coaching unfold. So thanks for letting me ramble on

Elyse Archer 13:26
I love this. This is no I feel like I’m getting a good like a spiritual lesson from you. And this this is awesome

Brandon Handley 13:31
was so that was so here’s the other thing, right? Like Elise guys is I went through like my quote unquote, like a call, quote, unquote, because nobody can like point a finger and say, Hey, that was an awakening experience. But remember, if you don’t remember that time, I called you up. I

Unknown Speaker 13:43
was like, Oh, yes,

Brandon Handley 13:44
I went through some shit. I don’t know what it is. And it’s like an awakening experience. So Lisa’s been again, guys that’s, you know, just want to share our relationship with the people that are listening, right, and how this kind of all came together. You came to me as like a sales coach. But what ends up happening was all this inner work that I hadn’t done before for personal growth, and it manifested into culminated into like kind of an awakening experience. Right. And from there, we still maintained and again, that was another thing where you were like, Well tell me more about that, like, because you’re just as excited as I was for that, too. So I think that that’s says a lot about kind of who you are and what you accept in your life. So I do want to hear like, you know, how you talked about helping people find themselves spiritually through your own process. And I’d like to hear how you’re doing that. Because what happened with me might not have been intentional. And and, you know, how do you feel like you’re doing it intentionally right now?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Oh, wow.

Elyse Archer 14:45
Yeah, gosh, I don’t so I don’t have like an intentional method to it. I think it’s more me think about that cuz I want to actually, I want to, I want to think about what the right or just what the true answer is for me there. I think I think for me, a lot of my own journey has been around overcoming a lot of feelings of unworthiness and worthlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned, that’s part of why a lot of the, like the clients I work with are in a business environment in a business setting. And so a lot of times they’ll come for, you know, I want to make more money, or I want to grow my personal brand and presence and just through that process, usually what comes up is, are there tactical, pragmatic things that they can do to do that? Absolutely. But also, and I think the more important thing is we dig into just limiting beliefs that are showing up for them around, you know, I want to make this amount of money, but even the word want means you don’t have it, right. So it especially the women, I work with those, those cut, you hear more than their story. And they talk about feeling unworthy or scared to show up or scared to speak up. And it doesn’t matter how good your website is, or how good your sales process is, if you have that limiting view of yourself, you’re only going to be able to operate within a box that’s like this big right? And get results that are about that big. So I really like I said, I don’t have a set processes, something I’m kind of like working on developing on right now. Because I do want to be able to take people through a more like a more intentional process. For me, it’s typically kind of intuitive with my clients. But that’s usually what I’m listening for when I hear my clients talk is, what are they actually saying about themselves. I was on a call with a potential client the other day. And the first thing she said when she got on our call was she said, Oh, you know, I’m just sitting here procrastinating, like I always do. And she’s a woman who wants to break through six figures this year in her business, and she’s a go getter. And she you can tell like she’s you know, she’s an aggressive goal getter. But the first thing I said was, whatever you describe you prescribed, right. So if you’re sitting there saying, I’m procrastinating, like I always do, you’re going to continue to procrastinate on accomplishing your goals on making your sales calls on whatever it is. So I just I think because so much of my own journey involves poor self talk poor or poor self image, I can hear it, and I can see it and other people. And then that’s what I try to pull out. Because usually we’re just we’re not even aware of it. It’s so ingrained in how we think and how we talk. And most of the people around us usually use disempowering language and thoughts. And so it’s kind of just part of our society. But once you realize, once you’re aware of it, you can’t unknow it. Right. And so I care so much now for myself about how I feel and how I speak about myself. And I try to get my clients to that same level of self awareness. Because the tactical stuff is like 5% of the actual process, the 95% of it is how you think and what you believe you deserve. So I don’t know if that answered the question. Like I said, there’s not a real thought out process. It’s super intuitive for me, but that’s, um, that’s that’s kind of how I do it

Brandon Handley 18:01
a little bit. I mean, it sounds like there is right, so the process is to kind of just identify where they are, right? You know, are they saying something that, you know, you’ve been able to get look as, I don’t think it’s any different than being a doctor, right? Kind of, when, when you first start off, you’re like, maybe I shouldn’t amputate that leg, I don’t know. But I’m gonna go ahead and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go ahead and cut that one off, you’re doing the same thing with like somebody limiting beliefs, right? Or identifying it. And over time, over time, like you become skilled enough to be like, Oh, that’s this. That’s this. That’s this. That’s this just because of your exposure, experience. And then your own way of working with people in that space, seeing what works. A lot of these things that you’re using a lot of the tools that you’re using, I’m guessing, aren’t brand new, right? These are tools that have been around for quite some time that have had success for years and years and years. It’s just how do you how do you share those tools with these people? So what would be like one thing that you help? Like, when you identify like a limiting belief within somebody else? Right? How do you how do you identify that for somebody to get them past that? Yeah, well, I

Elyse Archer 19:07
think the first thing is just reflecting it back to them. So that’s part of where there is value in having a coach a mentor, just somebody who can hear how you talk. And and actually help help you become aware and almost be a mirror for Do you realize you just said that? Because like I said, oftentimes, our language is so it is it is so subconscious, we don’t even realize we’re saying it. So it’s like, hey, do you realize you just said that? And then oftentimes people don’t even realize it’s a problem. They’re like, well, so you know, so what? So what did I said that and I think so for some people, they’re already really into law of attraction and, and positive self talk, but for a lot of people I work with, they’re not familiar with, with what that means, and how it how it impacts them. So we talked about, you know, whatever you’re saying you’re giving a command to your subconscious to create this thing in your life. And so we start to look at what’s a new and better and different way you could say that The other thing that has been really profoundly transformational for me in my life and that I recommend for a lot of my clients is Joe dispenza his meditations like I am, I’m guessing you follow Him, and I’m such a fan of his work. But every single morning, I’m doing those meditations. And I asked my clients to do the same, and it helps you start to feel the feelings of abundance, genius. Courage, right? All those things that, that we want to embody. And so I get all my clients doing that, as long as they’re open to it, and that is pretty darn transformational as well.

Brandon Handley 20:40
Now, 100%, right, yeah, Joe dispenza is great. He’s one, there’s one that I listened not not even. Not even a meditation, but he’s got like a 10 minute piece that like I listened to all the time. It’s just, it just reminds me like not to look at like, not to look at my social media first thing in the day not to, you know, to retune yourself, right, like to retune your your whole, you know, your whole experience? Do you live life on your terms? Not according to what kind of everybody else is already doing? And that’s why I enjoy him and that. So meditation, getting them to connect with the meditations? Or where did you find that to be kind of like the game changer? a game changer for you? Hmm.

Elyse Archer 21:24
You know, it’s so I’ve been meditating off and on for probably five years, probably, well, I really longer than that, but like, actually really going for it for about five years. But I would say it’s, I kind of, I would do it for a while, and then I’d get off of it. Because it was like, you know, I’m still I still was in the mindset of i, this time would be so much better spent if I was sending emails or creating the social media posts. So I was still in that mindset. And really, I would say, it’s, it’s honestly been more in the past few months that it’s kicked in, for me how critically important it is. Where, even though I think I had done a fair amount of work on releasing anxiety, and like I mentioned, like not trusting myself and stuff. So I’d gotten to a pretty good place about 12 months ago, but I still would have almost this low grade anxiety running all the time in the background, especially on Sunday nights, looking at the week ahead of like, Oh, you know, I’ve just I’ve still got all this stuff that’s been done that I thought I was gonna try to get done this weekend, did I just piled too much on my plate, and then I would kind of beat myself up about just not being, you know, good enough. And I Gosh, if I was better, I could have gotten this done. So it was this habit in this perpetual like cycle that my body was almost addicted to the feeling and the anxiety. And some time, I think sometimes we just have a moment. And for me, I just had a moment, I was like, doing it this way, has gotten me this result. I’ve been feeling this low grade anxiety for years for most of my life. What if I didn’t have to feel that way? What if that wasn’t the reality for everybody? What if I was what if it was just a decision that I was going to feel differently. And that’s when I started really doubling down into a lot of Joe’s work, and into just studying, you know, the different energy centers of the body and how to get them in coherence. And I will say, I mean, it’s a very short time as of the recording of this interview, but for about a week now, I’ve had really consistent checks up brain heart coherence, where you just you feel like in the flow all the time, no matter what. I had that for about a week, and it’s been so transformational. Like, I’m not afraid of anything that’s coming, I’m not anxious, I’m at peace, I’m present. With the people I’m talking to. I’m excited. I’m not triggered by stuff the way I was. And it’s just it’s a totally different, I was able to get there like a little bit before and I could get there and kind of keep it for a while during my meditations. But then something would happen in life, and it would trigger me or throw me off and I’d have to like work to get back. And it’s been really darn consistent. For like I said, about seven days. And I think it’s it was just a decision of, I can have this all the time if I want. And so now i’m i’m showing up on that meditation, that was some ferocity my friend cuz he’s like, Oh, this is good, how much? How much better could it get?

Brandon Handley 24:19
You show it to meditation be like, I’m gonna take this bitch down. Yes. So so that’s great. So there’s, there’s a word that I use in tandem kind of with, with with, with what you’re talking about there. And that’s the word numinous. Right? Like where you’ve got this connection to source and it’s just effervescent. And it sounds like that’s been your week, right? Nothing can derail that, right? There’s nothing stronger than it and there’s no worry, you’ve given yourself some trust, you’ve given yourself some grace. And there’s a it’s just such a great feeling, right? Like how did happen and where’s and it’s always been available. Right, that’s the thing like to you’re like, well, all I had to do was make a decision to make this a conscious choice.

Elyse Archer 25:06
That was it. Yeah, that and it’s and it’s not like nothing has happened, like, I got a mega tax bill I wasn’t expecting because of a miscommunication with my accountant. And in the past that would have that would have thrown me, you know, and this I was like, okay, like, I, you know, I am being honest, it threw me for a couple minutes. And then I just like I’m snapping back into it, because nothing is worth sacrificing this level of vibration and awareness and feeling nothing. So we’re just going to do it and move on. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:37
yeah, no, absolutely. 100%. Right. So I thought I definitely talked about this in my process, too, right? To where you make the decision, right, literally, like, so I created that, you know, this thing called the divine framework, right, the first piece of the first piece of this puzzle that you just talked about, is to make the decision. Yes. Right. Like, this is it? This is I’m going for it. Right. But the one thing that, you know, you talked about, like kind of this belief system, you talked about the boxes right and and discover on uncovering kind of like the those limitations, right? Those self imposed limitations. It’s kind of like this whole mindset thing. This is just how spirituality has kind of shown itself for me, right? Like I did the I did the coaching with you awesome stuff. Great stuff went through like law of attraction, right? And I was like, well, this is this is all kind of stuff that I’m putting out there. What if I shake it back and understand that this is a benevolent universe? And that it probably wants things more for me than I actually want for me. What can you show me? Right? And how can I take who I am eternally spirit, like spiritual DNA is perfect, right? I mean, we all have, we all share the same spiritual DNA. But I went from having a human mindset with all these worldly things that we know how to use, right. And, to your point, I’ve made it this far with this human mindset with this human capability. As like, what happens if I choose divinity? What happens in right? What happens if I’m connected to source at all time? And if I accept that source is everything, right? Who, you know, what am I capable of then? Right? And so that’s just fucking blew the lid off it. I’m like, you know, and that’s, that’s that again, just another choice to make right then. And so you can take a look at spirituality and the, you know, you can call it maybe it’s Christ consciousness, I don’t know, right to decide, like, Hey, listen, this is this is Buddhist consciousness, I make this decision to do what you did, to say. I’m just gonna stay connected to this ship, because I feel real good. I don’t have to drink to get here. I don’t have to get high to get here. All I have to do is show up and decide to be here. It can’t be that easy lease.

Elyse Archer 27:56
It’s it. It is literally it is a decision. I mean, that’s it. That’s been a huge lesson for me in the past 12 months that I think we could be scared to make that whatever the decision is. Whether it’s a decision to show up differently, a decision to to move right a decision to, for me invest in this, this high level coach. One other thing that happened for me a couple months ago is I made it not I guess it was more a month ago, I made a decision to spend more money than I knew where it was going to come from to work with this particular woman. So I felt very intuitively guided to do it. And I remember going through the fear and I like I said yes to her verbally. And then I like kind of shrugged back for a week and I vacillated It was like, Oh, this is a bad idea. It’s not it’s not responsible. It’s not smart. And I reached the point. And I think you saw my video I did on Instagram about this. But I was just thinking about why am I not moving forward on this. And it was the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of making a bad decision in the unknown. And, but what it reminded me of was, when I was in my late 20s, I was in a just a, I was in a marriage that was really toxic. And I was so scared to leave because I was afraid of the judgment of being young and being divorced. And my family put a lot of money into the wedding and we were only I mean I knew before I got married to him I shouldn’t have but at this point where I reached kind of the turning point we were like 1214 months in I was so scared to do it because of the fear of judgment and what was going to be on the other side would I ever find someone who was actually a good fit for me all that stuff. And I just reached a point where I said it can’t be worse than this you know so let’s let’s pull the trigger and do it and so I I asked for the divorce and six months to the day that I did. I met Jason who’s my husband I knew within minutes that he was going to be my husband. very inconvenient by the way in North Carolina. You’ve got to be separated for a year so we were still tech Are you gonna you remembered for a year for you to get remarried.

Brandon Handley 29:58
For the for the guys out there. They listen, they’re gonna probably, they’re gonna want to know, what can somebody do in a couple minutes to make some money?

Unknown Speaker 30:07
Right? I

Elyse Archer 30:08
know, I know. Yeah, they are. He just showed up and I was like that, you know, you hear about you know it when you know it, you know it I’ve never had that experience before. But I, I knew him. I knew that I was meant to be with him. So that’s a whole nother story, because then I had to proceed to chase him and date him and all of that stuff. It was a frustrating courtship, I will say, but here we are. So

Unknown Speaker 30:29
if I had to do one, that one, I won that one. Yeah.

Elyse Archer 30:33
But if I had not left that situation that I was so scared to leave, I would not have met him. And we would not have our son jack now. And that just puts things into perspective for me. And I think everyone can relate to something in their life where they’ve been so scared to make a move, because they didn’t know what was on the other side. But think about what happened in your life is a result of what you have now that you wouldn’t have had if you hadn’t stepped out in faith. And for me, that was like, this is it. Like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen on the other side of this, but I know, I can trust my intuition that’s leading me to do this. And I know something really good is gonna unfold, even if it’s not what I’m expecting. So it’s kind of that surrender, like, Alright, I’m along for the ride.

Brandon Handley 31:16
That’s it. I mean, that’s it. 100% right. You know, it’s, it’s following your intuition. And kind of, you know, trusting it. And for you, you know, that’s seems to be working fairly well. Seems like, hey, look, what I love, too, is like, you know, listen, no matter how much of this work you’ve been doing on yourself, I’ve been doing myself, anybody out there has been doing it themselves. years, right. You’re still catching yourself, like beating yourself up? Right? You’re still catching yourself. Like, you know, there are moments where everything’s not fucking perfect. And that’s okay. Like, and I think that, I think that that that can be a challenge too. Because to accept that right to to be able to say, this, this moment, right here is not ideal for me. But that’s still going to show up no matter how much work you do. And I think that that’s important for people to hear and understand. Because they put themselves in into, oh, I shouldn’t be feeling this way I shouldn’t, then they beat themselves up for feeling that way at all. Like you’re saying, like, I shouldn’t be doing this way. And, and and I should be you should I’ve done it differently. And all these other things. And I’ve had another guy that had on and I know well, you called it he has the acronym, acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative. However you did it, right. There’s no alternative to what’s already been done. Right? The only alternative mate would be like your perspective on that, like, as you move forward, you’d be like, you know what, you can look back and be like, you know, what, in my mind, at that time, this is what I thought was going on. But now if I look back, it’s a totally different scenario. your perspective on what happened may be different. But the actual event, there’s no changing it. Right? That’s your your way past it. Right. Yeah. But you know, so how would I mean, a dress that though right, especially for you know, you again, being a coach, having gone through, like all this work, and still finding, you know, yourself kind of having those challenging moments? Do you accept those for yourself? Or do you beat yourself up for having those and then, you know, how do you get through it? What do you do from there?

Elyse Archer 33:28
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I, so I do accept myself for having those. And I used to beat myself up a lot over it. And I think a lot of that is just we see people, whether it’s our parents, or like, for me, I saw I like, I love my mom dearly, but I saw her do that my whole childhood growing up. So I that’s how I operated for a long time. So now with those moments, I am so conscious of how I talk to myself, because I realized if I beat myself up, I’m only perpetuating the negative emotion negative feeling, I’m just going to attract more of that back into my life. So yeah, I mean, even yesterday, I had an introduction to like, a big time, big time, big time podcast to go on. And I had been like, really psyched up.

Unknown Speaker 34:11
You know, we’ve been talking for a while.

Unknown Speaker 34:14
See, it’s always working.

Elyse Archer 34:18
So I had this. So this was like, you know, like, top 100. Like, it was a big it was a just in terms of audience a big show. And so I got myself kind of psyched up for it. And I get on the call with the woman I’d been introduced to who is kind of like the gatekeeper and she was like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If there’s a misunderstanding. You know, he’s booked up for a whole year like I just really wanted to get to know you. You seem like a cool chicken. It was like, in that moment, I felt I felt disappointment. And then I gave myself like two seconds to feel it. I was like, okay, nothing is worth feeling that nothing is worth perpetuating that. So let me instead flip this and focus on how can I show up for her in this moment because I genuinely believe everything is always working out. For me, and if this is not the thing that’s meant to be right now it means there’s something even better down the road. So cool. So let’s have fun with this. And let’s like, show up and have fun. And then who knows what will happen in the future. But I think it’s that an attachment to like things being so perfect that for myself, for a lot of people, right, I think a lot of women I work with everyone, we can get kind of caught up in perfectionism, and things have to turn out the way we thought they would. But when you can be kind of unattached and just more attached to like, feeling good and having fun and showing up in the moment. It’s, it’s a heck of a lot more enjoyable. And you end up

Brandon Handley 35:35
Yeah, listen, you could find yourself on spiritual dope, too, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:40
I love it.

Brandon Handley 35:41
But the deal is to have right like, I mean, that is, you know, the dude, you’re talking about that seven days of being connected. That is, that’s the spiritual high, right? That’s, that’s the, that’s what the spiritual dope is. That’s the hits. You know, when you got that meditation, and you’ve got that meditation buzz of man, I was just so connected, I was so aligned, I was so detached from, I don’t want to say worldly things. But I was so detached from all all the activity and things that I felt like we were talking earlier, like, oh, maybe I gotta go make another pose. Maybe I got to go do this, maybe I got I got, I’ve got 10 minutes, I can squeeze in like five posts, maybe I can I am in and check for emails, right. And instead of being like, like, your coach is saying, Go study your fucking self for a minute. Right? Like, you’re pretty special. Right? recognize that? You know, I think more recently, you know, some of the meditations that I’ll do would be like, how far can you visualize yourself out? Right? And I’d be like, oh, infinite, right? The edges of the universe? Yes. But then more recently, I was like, well, inside is just as infinite to like, how deep Can I go into myself, and it’s infinite. So it’s infinite internally as much. So like, that was there’s been like a new rocking revelation, right? Like, where you just kind of you go internally, and you just hang out with yourself. And you see that, like, you know, you are 100% connected to source at all times. And it’s like, you’re saying, it’s a choice to say, I’m connected in this moment, to the person to the lady that was on the call, or title for my own shit. And I could I could show up and be there for her, or be tied up my own shit. And again, you’re like, I’m gonna take this moment, be there for her. And be open for the intuition, the inspiration, what’s coming out of this that is meant to be like your best.

Elyse Archer 37:35
Yes. I don’t want to add something to what you said about just studying the depth of ourselves. So one of my girlfriends, her sister, passive cancer a couple years ago, and they were super close, super, super close. And I wouldn’t talk about this on most any podcasts. I’ll talk about it here because I feel like you’ll get it. So she her sister passed. And then a mutual friend of theirs, called my friend out of the blue a couple months later, and she was she was like, I don’t know, I just feel like I have to call you. And we needed to reconnect. And this, this woman also channels and connects with people on the other side. And suddenly, while they were talking, my friend’s sister Lauren started coming through her and say, like, really literally reconnecting with my friend and what Lauren was saying, was, she said, You have no idea how big we are. She said now that I’m on the other side now that I can see it. She said, imagine like zoom out look at your house. Imagine you’re looking at it from above. You see the house and then zoom out to the block and the street and then your city and then the world and then the universe. She said you’re so much bigger. She said we are so much bigger than we know. She said I can’t wait for you to see this and know this. But she was just like, it’s you should have this this one on your podcast, I can introduce you because it’s powerful. It’s so powerful. But that perspective from the other side of are so much bigger than we can even fathom. Have

Brandon Handley 38:59
you connected yourself to that yet? Um, have you had that experience for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 39:04
No. Have you I want to Oh, can can you tell me about

Brandon Handley 39:07
it? Because I mean, it’s you can’t right that’s the whole Yeah, you can’t that’s the whole like, mystery school mysticism. translate that thing now? I did do I did do one good podcast on it where I’m not sure if you’ve done breathwork yet.

Unknown Speaker 39:23
A little bit not

Brandon Handley 39:24
not a ton, but a little bit. It’s like it’s it’s it’s like, cracked out. Meditation. When done when done well, like when you when you nail you’ll know when you nail it because you’ll come out of it. Like, what the fuck just happened? And can I get more of that all the time? Anytime? And the answer is yes. Right. Which is also powerful because that’s just like, like I said, meditation force multiplied and add connections and scenes, that you know, in those moments, that that’s the That’s just like a knowing, right? Like, it can’t be anything other than that and and more back to what you were saying before is it doesn’t you don’t need an external validation for that type of thing. You know this as truth. Right and and so, yes, right and that’s the that’s the question all right and and you know, I had similar experience to where this actually so to Elise has meant guys just again so lease is a lease is actually responsible in part for spiritual dope as well I don’t know if I told you that or not it was the interview without What was her name last one you got me in contact with the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, Regina Yeah,

Brandon Handley 40:43
so I interviewed Regina for the prosperity practice which in its own right was fucking awesome. I did love it and actually enjoyed it. But I also realized that I was I was kind of, you know, trying to sell the people what they wanted, but then give them what they need. And finally, I was just like, you know what bucket like your friend, right? Like, a much bigger, you know, spirituality, right? our spirits are much bigger than our bodies and it’s self evident. There’s like, you know, recordings of it with just even just with your resonance, right? You talked about also like the mind, mind heart coherence, experience that often, right? And that’s through meditation, but again, like through a number of things, once you recognize how to connect that and resonate that piece, and then you’re like, oh, like, like, all the time like it just like, it’s so great. Anyway, so yeah, so I interviewed her. And I was like, Why? Why am I holding back? kind of the best part of me? The best part of like, what I believe, right? Because here was this, you know, here was this, you know, ex lawyer fucking doing it. Right? And I was like, why am I waiting? Right? For who? Who, who? And then this came all the way back from my first podcast. So anyway, so first podcast was like, who gives me the authority to do this, right? I do. You do. You give yourself the authority to be you, right? You know, to go out and do the things that you know, that you can do that you’re capable of that you’re called to do, right? And that’s what you’re doing now I get to be a witness to seeing you punch through like each layer of that shit, right. And that’s what’s been fun for me to kind of watch you too, because we’ve had I feel like kind of similar experiences in that way be like, like, this is all shit. I’m out of here. This is better, but and it’s not even leveling up. Right? It’s just finding yourself in a different space because even even to a different level of awareness to what already is. Right? It’s just and goes back to your belief system be like, how When do I get to the side? Like, there’s more? Well, there’s a whole universe that is currently yours at your disposal. How do you want to use it? Right? Do you want to use it if you if you again, if you want to use your human self have fun with that. Right? And you’ve experienced that? What do you want to do with your Divine Self? What do you want to do with your universal self? Like what other kind of mindset Can you put yourself into and there’s again, that’s unlimited to

Unknown Speaker 43:16
this is so good. Oh my god. Yes,

Brandon Handley 43:20
yes. Yes. So again, guys, it was Elise who connected me with Regina and then when I connected with Regina, my wife had a friend who was medium as well on channel with me so it was combination of my wife whose childhood friend who she connects me with my grandfather like my closest you know, kind of Anthony in my life and and doing it with Gina and like, it was like the the medium wrote like a coming out letter of like, mediumship, right, like to her family, like I’m coming out of the closet medium type thing. So I was like, I was like, You know what, fuck it I’m coming out of the closet like spirituality and we’re just we’re just gonna go do it and ever since Sinhalese blown up blown blown. I mean, just the doors been blown off the people I’ve connected with, you know, I just interviewed my man here. I released you know, and and that, that was no following intuition. There was a 215 phone number, which is a Philadelphia area phone number. I was like, You’re fucking up here. I’m calling. And I just called. I was like, I was like, I was like, Listen, I was like, I got like, you know, his pm and she was awesome. knew where she lived. We had this great conversation. I was like, I just got to let you know I love this book. I’ve gone through it like four or five times I leave groups on it, yada yada. Would he be open to being on the podcast and she goes, You know what he normally he hates them. But let me see what I can do. That’s so cool. But again, so thank you like this is kind of like a trivia tool, a lease podcast. A lot of a lot, a lot of things because it’s been a lot of fun and without your support. You know, in part, of course, like us, all other all other people that have been a part of the journey, but you’ve been a big part about it. So I thought I’d share that with you.

Elyse Archer 45:11
Thank you. Thank you. Well, any audience? Yeah. And I think to just to see kind of how you’ve, you’ve taken every step of your evolution and turn it into something that’s good for other people. And I think that’s really cool. Because I do think back to when we were first working together, and it was like, how do we sell more of these?

Brandon Handley 45:32
things? Right. But that goes back to what you were saying, like how, you know, there was like, you know, you were selling stuff, and you were doing it where like, there was like integrity issues. And it’s like, yeah, you could sell something. Yeah. Maybe you could overcome some objections. Yeah, you maybe get this person to do this thing. But like, in the end, at what cost to you? And who?

Elyse Archer 45:50
Yes, exactly, exactly. Like, what is it actually all about? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 45:55
Well, so how do you I mean, I think that leads into a really good piece. So So how do you do it now where you’ve got it all tied together, that you feel aligned with what you’re doing.

Elyse Archer 46:04
Um, I just really listened to what, what my body says about what whether it’s working with a particular client, whether it’s launching a program, and I don’t fault myself for changing my mind, either, like I launched something new with the rollout of my new brand that was actually it was based on what a shaman who I follow what he does, or just like a $10, weekly, I drop in, he goes a healing temple. And it’s so much I was like, Oh, we should have that for sales, that would be so much fun. So I did like a $10 weekly drop in sales training. And it’s been, it’s been fun, but it’s like the numbers started off really high. And then they kind of dwindled with the number of women who were coming every week. And I used to go into panic about that. And now it’s like, oh, cool, I’m being divinely guided to transform this into something else. So I’m transforming it into something slightly different a monthly membership, and women are signing up for that really fast. So it’s like, just knowing that it doesn’t have to be perfect. But if I take the, I listen to what I’m being told to do, I take the action, I’m not attached to it being that way forever. And then I just kind of keep receiving that guidance. And that’s how I’ve launched my programs. That’s how I choose which clients to work with. That’s how I chose my brand colors. Like all of it, it’s just all the

Brandon Handley 47:21
colors, by the way. Don’t go gold, white, and red, which are which are all pretty cool. Yeah, I like that too. Like you talked about, like, you know, being able to change like kind of like your your and and, you know, in the business world or be ready to pivot, pivot, pivot. But being able to pivot, right, being able to adjust on the fly is something that I think a lot of people have a challenge with, too. How do you help them to overcome that, like, be like, Oh, I made this decision to do this thing. And I was told to commit. And, man, if I, if I just stick with it, persistence, and yada, yada, yada. So how do you help somebody that’s stuck in that space?

Elyse Archer 48:01
Yeah, cash. And it’s tough to write because we hear self discipline and persistence. And there’s a lot of value. There’s a lot of value to those attributes, in a lot of ways, but I think sometimes we get, you know, you hear like sunk cost theory in business. So I’ve put so much time and energy into this. And we can hold on to something just because of that, just because we already invested a lot of money or a lot of time. And even in our core, if we know it’s no longer the right thing. So again, it comes down to intuition. And so if I’m working with the client, we kind of we look at, okay, if you were, if you were starting this today, would you do the same thing? Like if you were starting from scratch? Would you do the same thing? If the answer is yes, then it’s okay. You probably just need to keep going at it for longer. Like it’s just, it’s keep showing up, keep doing it know that just like you said, with the flower when you plant it, it’s gonna take a hot minute sometimes, and that’s okay. But if you’re being honest, and you wouldn’t do it again, the same way today, or you wouldn’t run this program today, or you wouldn’t. I mean, this is a big one, but you wouldn’t marry this person today. Right? Like, then I’m not counseling people and relationships. So take that for what it’s worth, but you kind of look at, okay, are you attached to this just because you’ve put so much time and energy into it? Or are you attached to it, because it’s actually what you’re meant to be doing. And it just needs a little more time to mature or grow or terminate.

Brandon Handley 49:23
I love that. I love being associated. Again, you know, I’m a big fan of the word grace these days. So give yourself a little grace and let you kind of, you know, let that let that life energy just go ahead and propagate the way that it’s supposed to. Right. And I love though, to that you’re saying you know, if you started today, would you still do this? Right? Because again, we we put all this energy into the sunk cost thing even like, well, the Titanic sinks, it’s sunk, right? Like I mean, fucking let it go. Right? They jump off the boat because it is sunk costs, and it hasn’t accelerated you or gotten you to where you think you should be by Now and if you were to, you know, kind of continue that trajectory, it’s down at this point, right? I love it. I love it. So, what, um, you know, let’s what is a, you know, a hit of spiritual dope for you like, you know what, you know, meditation, I mean, having, you know, maybe looking at your son, you know, what is what is something that, um, that’s just your pure hit a spiritual dope.

Elyse Archer 50:24
I mean, it’s totally hanging out with my son jack now like that’s just to see see the pureness of a little kid and to see how they just just their wholeness and their appearances, and his unfiltered laughter is so much fun. I absolutely love that. And then I think the other thing is just when I can show up and give or do something for somebody else that has nothing to do with me. And that’s actually, when I found myself a couple months ago, like going through some of that Panic of like, Oh, my God, am I doing making the wrong decision or the wrong choice? That’s part of how I would shift out of it is I would be like, What can I do for somebody else right now to get my head out of my ass and focus on what really matters. And that always, to me, that always helps. It’s that quick shift. It’s like, What can I do for someone else, whether it’s write a comment on their social media, whether it’s had a client who wants to book club, I was like, I’m gonna join my clients book club right now. And that’s gonna make him feel good when he looks in his inbox and sees that he’s got a new member. So just stuff like that. Right? It’s, it’s always kind of getting our focus off of ourselves.

Brandon Handley 51:31
I love this. I mean, it doesn’t have to be complex, right? You can go out there and kind of give of yourself and support somebody else in small meaningful ways. And you’re gonna feel better about yourself. Hmm,

Elyse Archer 51:42
yeah. Well, and it’s the whole Have you read the diamond cutter?

Unknown Speaker 51:46
No, I have not, oh, this

Unknown Speaker 51:48
will be a good one. I

Unknown Speaker 51:49
think you’ll be into this.

Elyse Archer 51:50
So the principle behind it is whatever you want for yourself, help someone else get it. So I’ve got my, my mastermind partner. She’s also going for seven figures in her business right now. So one of the things that I’ve done and I told her I was like, This is not entirely altruistic that I want to help you do this. Like, I’m really curious energetically how this works for me.

Brandon Handley 52:11
It’s interesting, though, at least, right? Like, when I started fatherhood, for the rest of us, it wasn’t for the pure reasons. Right? It really wasn’t and I can look back and I can say that right? I’m like, you know, I did this for all the wrong reasons. But I was doing the right things, even if it was for the right reasons, for all reasons. Yeah. And that kind of tilted the whatever right into into always say like, I’m like the Grinch my heart grew to sizes too large or whatever, right? Like it went from being like, you know, this thing to write. So I think that you and I think you know, are you know, when you collect new Java Roman back in the day, I remember him going into, you know, talking about that, right being like, what happens if you do the right things with like, the wrong reasons. Now, I would say and wrong reasons is really kind of hard. You can’t really say it’s for the wrong reasons. You’re really trying to do it for the benefit. Yes, of you. And of them, but like, you know, that kind of shakes off. Just Just for I mean, my experience has been that kind of shakes off like initially, it’s kind of like, I’m doing it mostly for me a little bit. You still feel okay, I’m doing it for like, you know, at least I’m not, you know, at least I’m not calling you an asshole, right? Like, you know, merger. Nobody’s a jerk. I’m doing all these things. And eventually, that it’s just kind of like rust away until like, this purity situation happens where like, that’s just becomes who you are. Right? So there’s really nothing wrong with like, trying on different clothes until you find the pair that fits.

Elyse Archer 53:38
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s you always know because it’s the energy or doing something and like, how do you feel while you’re doing it? If you feel secretly like, with this, this friend of mine, who I’m helping, I’m just kinda like consulting and helping her for helping her hit seven figures in her business this year. It’s like, the energy that I feel around it when I do it. If I felt jealousy or if I felt scarcity or like, I should be spending the time on my own stuff. exactly what you’re talking about, right, like doing it for the wrong reasons. But I think it’s it’s, you can tell when you feel like whole excited, fulfilled, relaxed while you’re doing it. It’s really different.

Unknown Speaker 54:13
You are at ease. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:15
you’re at ease and the things are easy. They’re simple. They’re fulfilling. Yeah, right. All right. Super awesome. As always to catch up with you. Unfortunately, we can’t stay on all day. So where can we send people to go find more Elise Archer,

Elyse Archer 54:33
thank you so much for having me. Elise. archer.com has all the things and then on all social media. I’m at Elise Archer. So with love, love, love to connect. I’ve got a podcast, she sells radio so people can check that out. It’s like sales with a healthy dose of spirituality.

Brandon Handley 54:49
Now, who would you say your ideal client is Elise?

Unknown Speaker 54:53
Hmm.

Elyse Archer 54:55
It’s often a younger me. And I’m not saying that in an egotistical way. It’s just I can really help them. A woman because I know

Unknown Speaker 55:00
what’s going on.

Elyse Archer 55:02
So it’s typically going to be a woman who is either a business owner or she’s in sales, she’s looking to break through her first six figures. And it’s like, something’s not quite clicked there. But she’s ready. And she’s probably a little bit turned off by a lot of what she’s being taught from either corporate sales training or from the book she’s reading and it just doesn’t quite feel right to her and she’s like, could I reach my goals in a way that actually feels really good to me and other people and I love helping that type of woman so that’s my ideal client.

Brandon Handley 55:32
awesome guys. Go

check out Lisa’s especially, you know, if you meet that description, I can promise you that, uh, you know, it’ll work out for you. Right? guarantee that, you know, to go through some of the coaching or some of the programs that Elise has offered, they will be valuable to you.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
Thank you, my friend. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

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Sean & I first met a few years back on Fatherhood for the Rest of Us & we hit it off… to me it was obvious he needed to be a guest on Spiritual Dope. I hope that you enjoy listening to this episode as we did having the conversation.

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go. Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Sean McCoy who is one of the hosts of the company table podcast, which is a series of recorded conversations, which he invites people to come to the table to have authentic, open and honest conversations across a spectrum of subjects ranging from difficult fun to controversial, the primary goal of the interaction is exemplified love and understanding and a discussion that would inform the listener while encouraging the happy conversation of their own. Man. It’s been a minute and for those of you that don’t know, Shawn, I’ve had a couple conversations before that was back in fatherhood for the rest of us. And when I spun up spiritual dope, I came across like your podcast has like, man, let’s get you back on so so I’m so thrilled to have you back on. Thanks for showing up today.

Unknown Speaker 1:07
It’s a pleasure to be here, my friend. And I really love what you’re doing. You know, when I first saw the title, I was just kind of was enamored with this idea, cuz I’ve had my own transition, even the last 24 to 36 months around around cannabis and around what that what that word means. And then I think just the idea of that intimacy with the divine intimacy with where you’re going with life, just in another way, you just kind of you just bring it the style as far as just as it’s very open, very inclusive. You’re trying to understand there’s no, there’s no desire to control or is it to overcome or to try to convince and I just think it’s a beautiful way to do it, man. Appreciate your work.

Brandon Handley 1:41
Now, thank you so much. Thank you. So I appreciate that means a lot. It really does. We’d like to start this off I say we on the host creator and all the other things but I like to start these off with the idea that you are a vessel for the divine right and and what comes through you needs to come through you for the universe to operate at its optimal scale. Right. And it needs to, you need to deliver a message to somebody who’s listening today. Right? What is that message that’s coming through today? Sure.

Sean McCoy 2:10
So I just finished coincidentally, the book it’s called the physics of God with Joseph Selby. And Joseph Selby is a quantum physicist. And I’m in the in the so interesting to me that I finished it today coming on your show, because one of the things in so he interplays You know, he kind of remarries science and religion, which I think had the big split back in the time of Galileo and Copernicus that was really kind of this, the beginning of the end of that that beautiful relationship where it had to be one or the other. And that dichotomy that dualism, I just, it has to be that’s been a big area of growth, for me personally, just getting away from all that polarity. But in that one of the things that he talked about was in Genesis, he alludes to this idea of looking at these quantum experiments and talking about quantum entanglement quantum foam, and all these other real fancy words. And I’m, I can, Sam, if he asked me to explain it to you unpack it, about 50 60% of it, because it’s not, you know, I’m a pretty heady guy, like I like to think but it’s, it’s complicated. But overall, one of the things that underlying things that made me think of what you just said was, in Genesis, we’ve heard this phrase anybody’s heard it, that man is made in God’s image in the typical response to the typical kind of human thought is that there’s a human element to God and he created and that, you know, we had, he had elbows and maybe some sort of element of the physical versus this idea from a quantum standpoint of looking and saying, no, it’s eternal consciousness that God has, that he’s infusing and creating you with that image, because that’s what we all have internally. So instead of being limited by the physical, and saying, Oh, this must be some physical manifestation of God, it’s more of a vessel to hold the manifestation of God which is the eternal self and the eternal consciousness of all of us so that I just kind of felt like that was one of those points in my head as I was listening to it this morning as I was out mountain biking like I just told you to do now the just in terms of your show and just the people in who’s out there wanting to know what what in the world is going on? Where is my place? And all this? What how in the world? What do I know to believe in because as soon as you find anything, there’s some other use especially now you can google anything and there’s gonna be somebody else telling you all the things that are wrong with it doesn’t matter if it’s a business No matter if it’s a belief or whatnot. And I think part of that mystery and part of that chaos is intentional into give us this this desire to seek and this desire to continue to go internally and this desire to truly try to be intimate with both ourselves others and the divine and so the ultimate message around all of that is that in that journey you’re not alone is one of the biggest lies out there this You and I were talking about our reminiscing I think you remember that shoot out the shower story that I told you about that is not out here this is I you know, I was first deciding to become a Christian and following go against this all this stuff I’d ever thought and like what in the world is my problem and I was in the gym in in the water was coming to my head and it was black and I can remember that you know this this radiance you know I get away from this idea that it’s light darkness but just this radiance off in the distance that you know started to go to and I could feel it. Like I’m like in my body but I’m normal but then my it’s this weird thing started to transition I got scared, right? You get kind of like, Whoa, this is way too kind of UI. I know one of your big questions about you know, and I don’t go too far ahead, but just understanding that you’re your own self, you know, your your self awareness and, and then I kind of put the kibosh on it, you know, just that moment of just fear. And, and you’d mentioned, yeah, you kind of you’re like, yeah, you’re not gonna have that same. So I think that idea of, I think if we all took a step back, and all the weird stuff, we’ve been through all the stuff that we’ve experienced, it doesn’t make any sense that it’s okay to it’s okay to relish and it’s okay to be to sit in the mystery and to sit in the unknown. And that I think we get too involved sometimes to try and to fill it, try to give it some parameter and some frame. And just instead of just basking in the idea that there’s a, there’s an element of this that we just can’t figure out. And then even if we do figure it, even if even as we go on that journey, what you may define as the divine or what you may define as these things, so not it doesn’t become a situation where I’m trying to get you to understand it the way that I do. But we can kind of find some commonality back to what we’re talking about before. One of the big words that’s been kind of redefined for me is the word peace for a long time. Always envision peace as this idea that there’s no problems that everything is you know, calm. It’s like just, there’s there’s no issues, there’s no anger, there’s no fighting, there’s no, it’s just one thing. And if you go back and look at the Hebrew word Shalom, and really what it means it talks about tension, like this tension between between areas, and if you look at the way bridges work, you’ll get the way that how’s it anything, that what creates that structures, there’s there’s counter tensions all over the place, right? tension bridge, and you’d suspend ropes, muscle works by tension, and so is it but when you look at it, we look at a bridge, it’s not moving, but it’s under incredible tension. And we see it when that tension breaks. So in terms of human in terms of relational aspects, it’s not about whether or not I can convince you of something that I think is right, or try to get you on my team, or try to use fear and shame and manipulation and power and authority because of my own shortcomings to get you to conform to something that I want to but can I sit in the attention of a differentiating opinion, thought truth, whatever you want to call it? It? Can I relish with you in that it can that is that okay? And I think that that’s where When, when, when all the great wisdom books talk about peace, I think if you really break it down, and if you really go further into the, the basic tenants of all of them, that’s what they’re talking about. And it’s not that you can get rid of that tension. And so we try to act like you know, it’s always like, you go back and read ancient wisdom books, again, it’s like, you can hear today’s story, then I was just having this conversation with my hands, you can hear the you go back and read him back at Kurt, you just got into reading Jeremiah, which is one of my favorite Old Testament prophets. And it sounds like they’re talking about today, those books were written 2800, you know, 3000 years ago now, you know, in terms of accuracy and verbatim, and is it inherent? I’m not an inerrant. I’m not gonna say, I mean, nothing is inerrant. I think that’s part of the beauty and mystery of all this. And so it’s more about the con, it’s more about what was the big takeaway, if somebody’s lamenting, if they’re not sure about tomorrow, there’s all these what do they do, there’s the chaos of life. It’s never, it’s just crazy, right? And we like to think that it’s never been crazier and never been more worried, never ever been weird or never been more uncertain than it is now. Because it’s the only reality that we have. It’s like the cart totally kind of thing of like, it’s just the power of the moment. And we sometimes dismiss and forget of what has come before us. And so so but when you read these old ancient writers, and you’re like, wait a minute, that sounds like now. And so because we think that because technology or other things have progressed, that means people are progressed with it. And it’s not really what that’s not the same. It’s not the same thing. It just means we’re right, we’re doing this by computer on on the internet versus, you know, versus some written letters like back in the day and look at some of the founding fathers and some of the people before that they would have these great debates. And people don’t realize that they would have them over the period of weeks and months over written letters, right, versus we can talk all day long over and over again, re edited and other assist, right, it’s all here for us. So really all that to say, you know, the three great questions that I always think about in terms of what people are, can take away when you’re looking at things and where they can find hope and inspiration, in a sense is as you look at things that used to be Is it good? Is it true? Is it beautiful, was the original kind of that’s the first way to look at it. I’ve been having this internal war around dualism, because as soon as you because good and bad is all subjective, even then, as an opposite you start going down that road. And you know, truth is a is a funny thing.

Unknown Speaker 9:12
Is it so as I know, that’s absolutely true. It’s like wow, you know, I used to think so too. Not so much anymore. And so instead of that, I like to say, is it beneficial? Is it is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? And so in terms of is it beneficial? Because that that really broadens that ability to understand the impact something has on you know, is it a bad thing to have cancer? Well, it could kill you. And that’s our initial thought is No. But if you’ve been around suffering, if you’ve been around some of these things that people go through, there’s a there’s a transformation that happens and this comes in part of the journey. The last couple years of recognizing this frequency isn’t you talk about your undercurrent to talk about formulas that walk through life, others a gentleman by the name of Alexander john Shi’a, who is one of two people they’ve been the most profound, had the most profound impact on me in the last couple of years, just in turn. My way see the divine The way I see the Christ if you will

Brandon Handley 10:05
see an author or friend or he’s

Unknown Speaker 10:07
kind of a way to become a friend like him and I like we actually talk once a week now we’re doing some things personally but he from a from an educational standpoint, was a anthropologist. He went to university Notre Dame, he studied under Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell was the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell was inspired Star Wars, right. So just he was a student of Joseph Campbell.

Brandon Handley 10:26
That’s some powerful lineage right there.

Unknown Speaker 10:28
Yes. And so it’s so this comes into play, because you could you know, this, around the storyline. And so, but he grew up, he grew up Maronite Catholic, but he grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, in the 50s. And he’s Lebanese, he was first generation full Lebanese in, in the US. But because of this goes into this country how this works out because of segregation laws in the 50s. And 60s, they weren’t allowed to live anywhere by themselves. So they were like, it was like living back in Lebanon. So the irony is in terms of, like beneficial, so we would say none of us, I mean, like to think but would say that we should have laws that separate people based on ethnicity. But there’s a beautiful way that shows Well, something that’s negative like that can actually become a bit of a positive, if you will, depending and it allowed them to grow up kind of in this old way. He grew up basically in a Lebanese village in Birmingham, Alabama, with just his just his people, because the laws around it wouldn’t allow for them. And he was 13th 13th generation, his lineage goes back that many like 1300 years in terms of this particular tribe and his people and so he wasn’t a student of following that of Christ. You lived it, like it was a every day, embodied, very intimate, very traditional, very ritualistic very much in that in this in this sense, and not traditional like is in terms of like closed off. But in terms of like internal internal kind of discovery, internal kind of looking at is in terms of So anyway, partly Isn’t he but he realizes he needs to go somewhere else besides seminary, he needs to go somewhere besides your traditional and become just a priest because he was supposed to, that’s the reason he was named Alexander. So he goes to Notre Dame realizes that he cannot really get exposed to this because you can become this anthropology student in between Joseph Campbell and just the teachers that it blows up his whole foundation, because he was in this tribalistic, kind of like almost kind of set. And now it opens up his mind all these other ways. And all these other things, he starts to see the same pattern of the same elements throughout all these different whether it’s an ancient civilizations or current ones. And there’s uniqueness. But there’s also this synergy. And he starts to recognize this one, and he goes and becomes you get this masters and his PhD in clinical psychology. And then he goes on to use that as a practice. But he really is this internal struggle, he spends 40 years, and he has this moment where he takes the hero’s journey, Joseph Campbell’s journey, you can kind of come up different variations where there’s kind of four primary paths, there’s the first party step into the challenge, right, there’s the there’s the opportunity where you can begin the path. Second is the issues, the obstacles that you that you go through. Third is that is the transformation evolution, the fruit, the boom that you get in the fourth is in the service relative to that. And so that’s the those are the main Crux doesn’t mean tenants. What’s interesting about those four concepts is they are also the main tenants of all of our lives. As I start to see it, we all know this story. We’ve all had challenges, we’ve either stepped into it because we decided to a new job, a new podcast, a new, a new whatever, you have these moments of like stepping into this idea of like understanding things a different way. That takes courage. And there’s a step into that, right. And then there’s then what you do is like, great, here we go. And then all sudden you trip, you’re like, oh, what’s going on, and there’s obstacles, and that suffering is typically looked at as something we’re trying to avoid. But the irony is, that is part of that crucible that is part of that that intensity that allows for growth to happen, that’s where you become, I don’t like to use the word strong because it starts to create a, an element of like physicality, with just the ability to resist and that’s that growth that comes through that resistance, if you will. So as you grow through that, well, then there becomes a point when there’s a fruit, there’s a boon that happens, right? There’s something there’s an evolution, there’s a transformation, there’s a recognition, it’s like rings on a tree is that grow out, right? Don’t say this is the next ring, and you’re there. Yeah. And then of course, the fourth pass is this really, really critical part? Because now that you’ve done that, what are you going to do with this gift that you’ve been given? What is this new perspective? And now you start back at the first path, right? And now you start over because it’s not a linear thing? You’re not trying to get to a place and be done it’s this just continues man, we’re just on this.

Brandon Handley 14:12
Right? Absolutely. So you know, we got we got a lot in there to unpack my friend we got a lot and unpack so I’m ending with that last piece that she just said there. You know, the idea of to me is kinda like that Golden Ratio right of how the spiral continues to get larger as you say, you know, you start off in the beginning and then that’s your story like it just continues to get larger there’s more greater pieces that come into it but you keep circling around kind of the the primary aspects of your life and and your story, right, but everything else you bring into it, it gets larger, your boobs get larger, your challenges seem larger to the people beneath you, but like the those challenges are just your next evolution point. And it’s also like you said here, too With the idea of Yeah, going through all that, and then what do you do with that? Boom, right? This is done. I mean, look, man, not for nothing. That’s what you and I are doing with these podcasts, right? we’ve, we’ve discovered something else in our lives that it makes sense to share it out with other people help people maybe to find that for themselves. You know, a big piece that I’m doing right now is comes out of a book called power versus force. And the idea of, you know, accepting that challenge, Shawn, it’s gonna take what what’s it going to take? It’s gonna take a little bit of courage to take that step if you don’t take that step, right. The refusal of the call, right, that’s another part that’s a you know, that’s another big part. Right? So if you refuse to call the hero, that’s where you find in my mind, you find a lot of regret the coulda, shoulda woulda is what if I didn’t take that path? Right. So that’s kind of the refusal is is leads to this kind of life less lived. scenario.

Unknown Speaker 15:54
So stillborn is the word I always think about. Hmm, wow. So stillborn or stagnant? Like, like, if you refuse to recognize that pet like you don’t have to go down it. You don’t. I mean, you can even be when you’ve had, I’m sure you’ve seen people where you’ve had a major life challenge or change. It’s even forced upon them. And they’re still it’s like this, we call it denial or whatever. But they’re just not not going down the path. And so it’s like a broken record just kind of caught. Yeah. In that. You can’t go any further. And that’s the that’s the irony. Is it in? Is it everybody has the opportunity to say no, but you don’t have to go down these paths you, you can get the boon and then just sit on it. Right, right. Yeah, you’ve decided to take this. I hear it when you’re when you’re talking. Like there’s been a revelate there’s an intimacy there’s, you’ve seen something and now you’re like, ah, heck do I do with this thing? That’s it.

Brandon Handley 16:39
I mean, that’s, that’s it? 100%? Right. I mean, that’s the that’s the genesis of spiritual dope, right? The deal is that here, here, there’s this new, not necessarily even a new way of thinking, it’s just new to me way of being. And now how do I integrate that with all the other things and everything else has always ever been, and not even necessarily for benefits so that I can exist on all planes of existence, right? And just keep moving forward. And not feel as though I’m not honoring my inner self as well. Right, this connection to God, this divine right, this thing that really deserves much more honoring than I’ve ever given it before. But now that it’s here, I’m like,

Unknown Speaker 17:20
shit,

Brandon Handley 17:21
we got to do something here. Right. Right. So and, and, you know, I mean, just just for your own knowledge, like, I struggled with that, because it’s something that I’ve been with for a while, and I did the other podcast where I did prosperity practice, right. But then I was like, I’m still not honoring the truth of how I’m feeling right. I had a few conversations with some people that I knew that were and are. And I was like, well, there’s no reason why I can’t do it, too. Right. So let’s, let’s begin it with spiritual dope, right, let’s, uh, you know, I can help people through through that and find people such as yourself, and some others that are leading a life through spirituality, and having a more fulfilled kind of life purpose, because of it, right. And when they, you know, when they get to the end of it, they’re gonna be like, I did everything to honor like, the divine within myself. Right.

Unknown Speaker 18:11
Right. And also, it’s also a gift, right? It’s part of this is this, the opportunity comes to me you sort of define kind of why I mean, like, I love science, like it’s a part of this book is teaching us we can’t really trust even what we’re measuring. Even if we could, you know, the irony to science is they could never answer. Scientifically speaking, you cannot use the scientific method to answer the question that we all want to know.

Brandon Handley 18:35
At least it’s subjective, it’s always going to be subjective, actually, I mean, I did a podcast on last week on this, right. Like, the whole idea is like, it will always be subjective. But there are distinctive patterns in people who have fallen into this. And that’s, that’s why when you read meditations, that’s why when you read the Bible, that’s why when you know, you read any book of wisdom, you can now see that pattern, you’re like, holy shit, that’s the pattern. And and you can recognize that everywhere you go, you know, so the whole idea of everything’s a miracle and nothing’s a miracle. Everything’s God or nothing’s God, right? Like, you just got to make that choice. And that’s what you’ll see. So you know, one of the things that we you touched on it right was the you’re kind of yours what yours was quite literal, come to Jesus moment, while we talk about what that was like for you again, because this This podcast is, it’s also the gives people that understanding of Alright, well, this is happening to me now, what do I do with it? Right? We’ve been through a part of that. Obviously, we haven’t gotten to the end. But what does it look like from your perspective?

Unknown Speaker 19:44
Well, I think part of it is you have to be willing to relinquish control in a sense of what you think you know, and what you think is even possible, and that we’ve allowed ourselves I know I did for a long time. So when I was younger, up into my early 30s allowed myself to believe that because I was heady and because I was smart, because I had, you know, people told me so and I knew it. But somehow you’ve got that you’ve kind of figured it out. There’s there’s a, there’s a humble aspect to all this, that if that if I were to say anything from a preparation standpoint, it’s truly and this is our podcast, the one that I did. And even I think it dissipated a conversation, are you willing to just listen to this, hear it out. Now, I understand that you can’t hear out everything that’s ever thrown at you. And there’s a lot of noise out there. And there that is now more than ever, so the biggest challenge are so much noise, right? We can get lost in YouTube for hours and not even know where we’re at, or Instagram or whatever, you can get lost in the noise. But back you’re saying about this frequency? If it’s answers those questions, is it beneficial? Is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? Whoever saying it or whatever saying it, I think if you use that as kind of a starting point, say and then hear it out? I mean, how do you how do you sit there and listen to some of these ancient masters and some ancient people that and I mean, like even modern day ancients when they give wisdom and they give when they when they talk about these things. So all that to say that, just just be humble about what you’re doing. And be humble about the approach and realize that it’s okay to say that you don’t know something. And and then allow yourself to then explore and in really taking things that are uncomfortable, it took me forever, Brandon to not wince during the name Jesus. I mean, it took me years to not because for years, I was kind of like the, the church leader on Saturday Night Live where it was like, I would hear that word and just go, Oh, God, every time somebody resists Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you know, kind of thing. It took me a while to tour that name didn’t, didn’t bother me. So I think in terms of that, in terms of that approach, there’s also a little bit of grace you have to give yourself to understand your and you have to knock off some of these old habits. This idea of, like, favorite real quick,

Brandon Handley 21:47
what is Grace mean to

Unknown Speaker 21:49
Grace’s the capacity for growth, the capacity for wandering and being lost a little bit from making the decision that maybe turns out later Nabis beneficial graces allowing for exploration and just the existence of a maybe even since I was a negative energy, but just an incomplete perspective, allowing for that incomplete perspective of yourself because that’s the thing we become self critical. Go back. I should have known better. How did I not know better? Oh my gosh, now that I know I will never get it wrong again. Right now. Okay, now I get it all now get all figured out. But just do it this way. It’ll stay that way. And I won’t falter. This hole is the one phrase that is getting more and more old for me is around. Oh, well. Nobody’s perfect. yet. We got that part. Everybody. Like we we all check the box that nobody’s perfect. That’s true. Okay, but what does that even mean? So that means there’s that there’s an allowance for for that stumbling. There’s an allowance for just that even hurt and pain and just being flat out wrong. In some cases. Last night on LinkedIn, of all places on social media, I saw a gracious interaction between two people, where one person was just being a smartass, and just a just a troll, just a absolute troll and just the other person responded with absolute kindness, absolute kind of truly, this and I even reached out to him personally. And now we’re connected and they’re gonna come on this oil and gas podcast that I’m doing because I’m like, I’m like, that was an amazing example of just, it was inspiring because to see somebody do what you hear mostly is all the ridiculousness, right? We don’t see that. So grace, and even if you do, Grace is allowing, what about that idiot? What about? I was I talk to my people that I know that follow Christ? And they’re like, do you know that Paul wrote half the New Testament, more than half the New Testament? Oh, by the way, he had a massive conversion story. There was a there was a point in his life where he killed Christians, because he just just because to eradicate them from the earth, like in a is awful ways you can approach a group of people like just ethnic cleansing, he was the guy in charge. And I was like, What? Yeah, the guy who wrote more than half the New Testament is attributed with with living a lifestyle like that.

Brandon Handley 23:57
I did not know that. I mean, that’s I mean, that that again, that’s, I mean, that’s a powerful image. It just one of the things that you think about right brings to my mind anyways, is maybe even our judicial system, or our penal system, right? Where, hey, somebody goes and makes like this stupid mistake, right? Murder is a stupid mistake. Not everybody means to murder somebody in this in certain scenarios. And I think that something you and I have probably learned along our path is how to, you know, not let our not be controlled by our emotions. It’s something you hear everybody always say, but that’s not easy to learn. Right? And it’s, it’s not easy to get somebody who’s a good teacher that either right and so that we don’t have a whole lot of examples of that. So, you know, somebody goes to the penal system, murder somebody, I’m not saying that’s a good idea. Don’t go out and do it. But in the end, like, I mean, you’re still going to be accepted by God. That was a big mistake, but like, this person still has the capability to become and do some great things. for humanity?

Unknown Speaker 25:01
Well, let’s do that. What makes me think of that is a former military. And so murder dependent back to the good and bad was beneficial, not beneficial, but what we celebrate our heroes in the uniform, right? The most celebrated people. I mean, Chris Kyle, people like that, that we think about, he was a sniper, like his entire job was to kill people were the right man. That’s what he did. I mean, that’s not such sugarcoat what his what his job was, and what he was given awards for, and medals and book deals, and a movie was made. So So it all depends on context and the perspective of whether you think it’s the right thing or not. So I think that’s, that’s really important, too. And then, and then again, back to your question about grace and redemption is it should it only be for one or the other based on what we think is, you know, acceptable or beneficial things are good or bad at that time. And that’s where you talk about dope. And one of the big areas in my life that kind of took a big, a very big deconstruction, or just was around legal narcotics is around drugs, including psychedelics, and I grew up kid in the 80s, total square, I didn’t drink till I was 21. Because it was illegal. That would give me a hard time they thought it was ridiculous that would do that. I was just kind of the way that I was wired. It didn’t mean that I didn’t drink. It didn’t mean I didn’t speed. It didn’t mean I didn’t break the law, or I wasn’t, you know, I’m not I’m not Jesus, and nor do I claim to be, but I tried to strive towards that, in the last couple years, one of the areas that that really kind of shattered this idea of kind of this, this belief, I was given before these this perspective, that was defined around illegal narcotics and the whole story behind that whole the whole drug war and start looking at cannabis, as well. I think it’s funny, we call it spiritual dope. It’s like, you know, if you go back and read, look and look at the plan to look at what it is, I can honestly think that might be the most valuable plant ever that God’s ever created, the utility of that plan is incredible in every way. And so the idea that we’ve outlawed it, especially based on something like race, and we’ve criminalized it, and there’s people that if you look at our our incarceration rate in the last 50 years in the United States, leads the world in incarceration per cat. I mean, that’s, that’s not something we should want to be number one, and that is any group in the organization, right? I mean, mass incarceration is not, it’s not a sign of a healthy, vibrant culture, in my opinion, which is really incredible. If you think of how well we’ve done economically, or even everything else, that we’ve done this with a massive segment of our population, disproportionately, you know, disassociated from everything that we do. And I think that’s a real opportunity going forward. But part of the pandemics put out there and pushing these social issues to the top is it’s like, it’s not about even equality, or just you know, we have to have, you know, a one of everything. It’s more like, you’re just you haven’t tapped into this base. It’s almost like knowledge, like, you haven’t even tapped into this amazing group of people. And you’ve been putting them to the side and oppressing them. And now it’s a chance to bring back everyone to the table, man, what you know, got Gumbo and all that stuff. You know, it’s all better when there’s this massive numbers of ingredients going into it,

Brandon Handley 27:43
not 100% and I love me some gumbo. I’m loving some gumbo, the you know, you brought you know bringing up dope, right? Like so what is your spiritual hit? Like what it what is your spiritual high?

Unknown Speaker 27:56
It’s happened to me a couple times. And it’s that revelation or that being exposed to something that I didn’t even know I needed to know, that I didn’t even know was even possible. And it kind of redefines what it resets the foundation it is. There’s a part of it that is awful. Because it’s like erasing the whole white chalkboard, the whiteboard all over again, you got to start over. But when you do that, it’s this revelation of opening the what’s possible. And I’ll give you a couple examples. One back to Alexander, he was talking to this other podcast about so near make Jesus his name was Yeshua, and Yeshua and he said the word in Aramaic for from us for what we call Messiah, or the Christ was missy. Missy. It’s an it’s almost like an automatic pa it’s this number I was out I was outside doing some work in the backyard and listen to sing ecosistema See, it was the issue of the must see what it is is in the word. The phonetics require the breath expulsion at the end. And that that breath expulsion is the real embodiment. So we think the way we speak English is totally different than the way that Aramaic, and a lot of other languages convey what they’re trying to say in terms of there wasn’t there wasn’t a very large in terms of phonetics, but in terms of how it interacted, it was conveying something. That breath right? In Genesis, right God breathes According to the legend breathes life into the dirt, right? There’s a breath whenever there’s when you’re first born, there’s a breath, the last breath you take, there’s something in this there’s something that’s alive. It’s symbolized by breath. And so that energy which is in all of us, right, this is where we start to derail because the word goes to become a cya. And is supposed to be this thing, which shows he was in charge. And he was this. In my experience, anything that starts to go towards power and privilege and authority as a justification for its existence is kind of the beginning of the telltale sign that it’s off of this. It’s off the divine, because now you’re just trying to control people now becomes Well, he’s the Messiah. So now we have to follow him. Everyone else is toast. This is the only way right and that just leads to division. But this but the way that Alexander was explaining that in in Christianity first started to expand that what they would do is they would go find when they would go to different cultures different In areas and spread, they would see the Christ and it wasn’t the person wasn’t really even the thing either. It was this spirit within, it’s this. It’s this breath within all of us, right? That, oh, you have this story, you have this ritual, you go through these things like we do. It was more communal, like we know your story. We know that story, versus here’s the right story. And we’re gonna, we’re gonna tell you to take the story you have now, you need to just erase all this stuff off the cave walls, get rid of all your traditions, know your culture, and just adopt this new way. That’s just divide that’s just conquering? Well, I

Brandon Handley 30:32
mean, I think I think you said it in the beginning, right? We can look back over history. Look at all the books of wisdom. Look at all I mean, not even just the books wisdom, we can look at Joseph Campbell’s, you know, the hero’s journey, and we can outline just about anybody anything anywhere with that same story with the same fundamental, whatever’s right. And it’s timeless, right? These stories, these ways of being these thought patterns, there’s all this stuff you’ve been saying like, hey, right now, we think this is the craziest it’s ever gonna be or we’re the most technologically advanced. So that must be guess what hasn’t gotten an implant is your brain. Right? Your brain hasn’t been upgraded? Just, you know, for sure. You know, probably in 2000 years, you haven’t evolved that much as a human being. Right. So I love you brought that up. You know, the other thing you brought up too, is just kind of like the idea of you were saying I think resistance but as you grow, right, but the word I might throw out there’s like resilience, you develop a resilience to as you grow, right? Is that kind of like what’s your look like?

Unknown Speaker 31:38
It’s one of the it’s one of the byproducts is certainly one of the things that this the second during tertiary aspects as you go through these kinds of things. You realize when you’ve been there before, like when the tree is getting bigger, it knows, hey, the storms come in. Last time, I didn’t know anything about it got through. Okay. All right. So it doesn’t mean it’s gonna be easier. It just means that I know, my ability to kind of hold, stay steadfast, maybe greater, because I know, I know this, I know this song, I’ve done another stance, so that you know it like, like a book or like memorization, it’s just you’re familiar with it. So that familiarity, if you allow for it to come in, but also don’t think that it means you know exactly what’s gonna happen next, is this more of what is the essence of resilience? It’s kind of come what may man if your lights go out or be okay, if it’s flooded, we’ll be okay. If it’s a drought, we’re gonna be okay. If it’s a boon if we get a win the lottery, right? I’ll be okay. Because that’s not always guaranteed to be okay. Whether it’s a clinical good or bad thing that you get, right? Well, I

Brandon Handley 32:35
think that’s the other thing you were talking about is this dualism aspect can explain dualism for somebody who’s not familiar with it. So

Unknown Speaker 32:41
dualism started. It’s a nervous, Italian kind of byproduct from the Greek philosophers of kind of breaking things all the way down to their base level, in that we started to look at things from a polarity standpoint, if for everything, there’s an opposite, right? That there’s this idea that plus minus Yes, no good, bad. And that there’s this, it’s a tendency we have in ourselves to kind of limit the perspective of what we’re looking at real in regards to a situation or something or how we measure it. And we can even see it when you see someone like technology around, you know, polarity, and stuff like that, in terms of electricity and things of that nature. And so there’s this, there’s this tendency, and there’s also this human tendency to kind of break things down that simply. And the problem is we forget, as we break down the human being into like, Oh, it’s just atoms or just protons, neutrons or protons and electrons, it’s kind of it’s, that’s an atomic level kind of idea of right what we learn in school, there’s plus and minus, and if there’s more or minus than Plus, it’s a negative charge. And if there’s a positive charge over here, they come together, because positive opposites attract, and we kind of hear all this stuff. So we start to kind of really differentiate everything we think we know, in terms of what it is and what it could even be, is having one or the other. Right? And so then it becomes this, I mean, even think about it, if you just everyone takes a step back, look at the things that they look at that they were college rivalries, there’s kind of one primary rivalry is always them versus us, or, you know, man and woman, or, you know, hate and love, just just emanates in everything that we do. And what’s coincidentally is that the other person had this massive impact on me as a lady by the name of Janet Williams and Janet Williams wrote, she introduced on this other podcast called Nomad apophatic theology, and it’s not even the right way to look at it. And what it tries to posit and there’s a really, it’s really hard to describe, because it doesn’t have a description, but it does is a little bit what you’re alluding to. It’s both good and bad. It’s both but it’s neither. But it’s so it’s, it’s like part of this is the idea of where you kind of go to with all this kind of introspect is around God. So God is all things that is in everything, but God has nothing God is both but God is neither. And then it’s the idea that even if it how we think we can even understand and conceive certain things like the universe or even the divine did it’s anyone that tells you they know God or what God is. It’s not I don’t mean this to be insulting, it’s just I think it’s it’s this part of the journey of it. It’s just going to be incomplete. And that even what we think it is, you have these experiences, I saw God or I felt God’s presence. And I like what I talked about, and that we hold in those things become idols. And that the real idea behind telling people not to stay on the idols is even if that experience is with, like, if you’re there, if you’re Moses and God parts of the Red Sea and saves everything, and no brings the Red Sea down on the Egyptians, that’s a pretty stellar experience. If it happens that way. You’re Moses, you’re thinking you can’t get any higher, it can’t get any better than this, right? This is the pinnacle of all that exists. There’s a there’s an element of that, that’s, that that becomes an idol. No, I

Brandon Handley 35:36
think i think i think that too. It’s like we open it up with right, you’re the vessel through which the universe God creation acts, right, with, when I start to say that this is me doing it, then then I start to I start to limit what is possible, right, I start to set up like all these blinders and everything else where whereas, you know, if I start to just say, hey, the The only reason any of this is happening is because of, you know, divine source flowing through me and, you know, helping guide me, right. So when you start to think that you’re at the pinnacle of anything in your life, I mean, again, you you’re starting to throw up a limit. This is just me, you know, kind of spitballing right, but you know, you start to, you start to put limitations on yourself.

Unknown Speaker 36:21
Yeah. And it’s, it’s something that that goes into one of the things, there’s eight fundamentals with these eight areas of what they call cognitive dissonance. And these eight biases, and one of them is called the errors of framing is this is this idea that you’ve that what you think you’ve known so far as to what frames everything? And what what creates the structure, it’s out there that you, that’s all there is, and there’s not a possibility for something more. And part of the reason that he studies it is around innovation. So in terms of terms of actual innovation, both technically on a personal level, or anywhere else biases will keep you from seeing what could what could be possible. So that’s one of those areas made me think of that is their idea of errors of framing, and part of it is like, does a fish know that it’s in water? Or if it does, is it you know, it’s good? It’s kinda one of these things, if you don’t know, what else is here, or you think that what is there is all there is, or you’ve been told, right? There’s nothing else out there for you, Brandon, you’ll never, you can never go past this city line, or you can never nothing that you can’t go past this area. And it becomes a self limiting belief, because that’s what you’ve been told. And it’s part of that frame, then it’s, if you don’t trust it, it’s not safe. You’re not you’re not risky, just for the sake of it. But don’t don’t limit, like I said, Don’t limit the ability. And it’s, you know, look, I can’t be an opera singer, I know that. You can’t, there has to be some reason this, this goes back into the balance of things around just from a pro beneficial effects to harmony. In those three questions. You know, if I sing, it’s not gonna be harmonious, literally. But if I can connect with people on a personal level, work with them and go through life with them, there’s, there’s a human harmony that you can create as well. Right.

Brandon Handley 37:49
Do me a favor, like, you know, so we’re talking all this a lot, a lot of theory here a lot of just kind of inner work a lot of ways that we have felt what is something that you know, would would be some practical application to give somebody who’s listening to some of what we’ve learned throughout this time?

Unknown Speaker 38:06
I think the part that always catalyzes me, or is a catalyst for me is to take take an argument, take a subject, take a perspective, that is that, you know, is is fundamentally different from yours, as you can imagine, and go listen, purposely fine not to counter what I said about dualism, but it’s more of the context around if I’m having a hard time, I just don’t understand what drives didn’t have to be something opposite or something you’re against. It could just be I don’t understand what drives what is the deal with, you know, well, hobby ism, and Islam. And what’s the deal there? Why would that was that was what goes on bin Laden was if I remember correctly, that was part of his sector, what is the deal with name, your favorite subject, your name or area or something that challenges you that causes you or you at least has the potential to stern you and maybe it’s anything you’ve said, I will never change my mind about that. I will, because I, I walked the earth and said, I would never walk into a church for any other reason than a funeral or a wedding. When I did, I’d want to leave just as fast as I got in there. And that was my way for a long time. But when you’re when I had to take a step back and go look at this differently, like is this something that turmoil and again, it’s going to create turmoil, but that’s where the greatest opportunity is for growth doesn’t mean you have to step all the way into it. But if you if you, if you just stay in the echo chamber, you just stay with the rhythm that you’re used to, if you just stay in that pattern, you know, and you’ll go out and branch out, especially if it’s something that’s different, or unique, or in that opposite, but just a different frequency than what you’re used to. Then you never say that’s why travel is so important. That’s why and I don’t just mean travel like Europe, or you know, some jungle in Asia. If you’ve never been to New Jersey, go to New Jersey, go to go to you know, Seattle, go to Chicago, go to Austin, Texas, you know, go to these places, big and small and just in feel no in if it’s uncomfortable, right if it’s and I get this way. I mean, I went with my wife this probably about a year ago. We went to there’s a pride parade, gay pride parade here and we have some friends of ours and we went to church with them. They wanted to do the big free dad hugs and free mom hugs things. And we went and did that. And you talk about being out of your comfort zone. I mean, you know, look, I’ve never had an issue with it. I was in the Navy. I don’t believe in any of that violence, or, you know, look, I don’t understand it, like not even for for a moment. I can’t relate. And I do think that’s more of a detriment. I’ll get to that in a second, if you want to talk about that. But I heard something in relation to that. Anyway, you talk about different man, you walk out, you go, and you walk up and down the streets of Houston, Texas, that are filled with people for Pride Parade, and you are, you know, you’ve never experienced that life or knowing about that world. It’s going to challenge you, and a lot of ways and I think that discovered we tend to run away from it, if you can hold and you can stay steadfast. And yes, it may be uncomfortable, and it doesn’t mean you’re gonna like it at end of the day. But it will change you, I think it will change you in my experience. Rarely is it changing you for for the worse, for lack of a better word.

Brandon Handley 40:53
That’s a great story. I love that, you know, you kind of put yourself out there into a situation where you were uncomfortable, but apparently you must have saw, like, you know, some beauty in it right? You must have saw some benefit. And you may not you don’t have to understand it in order to look, you don’t have to believe it for it to be true. Right. And you don’t have to understand it. To for to participate in it. So and I love that what you’re saying here is, rarely do you put yourself into something like that, and opportunity for growth and it comes out poorly. Right. Right. That’s awesome. So you know, where where were you, you know, we met and over here at come to the table podcasts, right? Is that something you’re still running? Or if you’re spinning into something new? Where can somebody get a little bit more? Sure, McCoy.

Unknown Speaker 41:47
So right now I said a couple different things. So the podcasts that come to the table, I hit my 100th conversation, there was a number that popped in my head back in February. And then I used part of the pandemic to kind of get there and kind of round it off, I had to take a real hard look internally and realize it was more my journey than it was really doing it for the listener if I was going to be quite honest, gotcha. It was a sobering thing that I was kind of railing against the, the structure of like, I have to do all these things in a structured way. This kind of free flowing stream of consciousness consciousness kind of thing, just I just saw it, it filled me with 100 stories of people, plus all the other ones, all the other stuff, it just, it was just a chorus of, of the mercy of life of Breath of just everything. So it’s in it continues to have a significant impact on my life. Today’s the fruit, if you will, continues to be born. This is a good example. But I also realized that I needed to it kind of run its course and there’s some other stuff that was coming. I got a friend of mine who’s gonna show real quick before we jump on to the next piece

Brandon Handley 42:45
talk about that, because that can be a real challenge. For some people, it sounds to me like you found a pivot point. Or you found a point where it’s just like, Alright, this, this is filled its role in my life, right? Because you got a lot of people that are like, Oh, you got a, you got to see it to the end. And or maybe I’ll tell you, I had a big I had a big problem with, um, when I stopped doing father for the rest of us, right? Because I had attached my identity to that, right. And I was like, oh, man, I’ve built this community. I’ve done this and what do I do? And you know, it was tough to break away from that. So talk a little bit about that right, first first occurs to start it up, and then the curse the stop it.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
Yeah, I think it’s definitely much harder to stop it. I mean, it’s, it’s when you dive in, you’re naive in a way, you’re not sure what’s going on. But when I think you’re realizing that it’s time to walk away, and it’s not. Yeah, you don’t like it necessarily. I mean, I didn’t really like it. And like you said, you put so much into it, you put heart and soul and you’re wanting things and just the amazing conversations of people that you’ve come across. If we just take the time, I didn’t have anybody famous in my pockets ever. But I would tell anybody 100 times out of 100 go listen to Brad spot bill this, there’s wisdom in his words back then even and I think the other part that makes podcasting so amazing, which may make it a little easier to walk away from sometimes they’re all still out there for people to discover. And people will and this is where I just trust a spirit and divine will bring people to the point where they can listen to something based on when it’s necessary when it can serve them and help them but also realize that I could do a better job of setting the table, if you will. And also he also needed a little bit of you got to get some time. Give yourself some time to decompress, and some time to process that kind of stuff. Yeah, it’s like drinking from a firehose you’re doing one episode a week, hours and hours and hours editing and, you know, it’s it’s like drinking from a firehose and sometimes you ventually got to turn it off for a little bit. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:32
absolutely. Absolutely. I know that a I forgotten how much effort it is to really be involved in it. Right. Dylan? This is taken a considerable amount of effort. I’m loving it, and I’m enjoying it, but uh, I did forget for a minute, just how much time can can be involved with it. Okay, so then you’re looking at this I mean, if I understand correctly, too, then you’re looking towards a new new space. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 44:53
So yeah, so one to two areas. One actually got hired professionally to host a podcast and oil and gas talking about The environmental, social and governance issues within the industry is I’m currently working on that I have a co host with me, it’s like a true show like there’s developed, it’s, it’s really, really coordinated, complete opposite of what the other one was. I mean, it’s very structured, has conversation, but it’s got three parts. It’s it’s like a chorus. I mean, it’s there’s a lot to put together. That is one of my guests is a political theologian, Steven Backhouse, who was instrumental in my kind of my deconstruction around nationalism, which is a whole nother part of the story. But he reached out to myself and another guy that we know to help him start this podcast called 10th theology. And it’s just about renewing the renewing the political imagination or renewing the imagination, just as somebody who’s a follower of the way, they’re not even a Christian, it’s this get to where you know, you’re your lead, or you’re following this way versus it, the big crux of it, just to kind of put it out there is also around the fundamental what we call fundamental evangelical Christians that are kind of dominating the conservative politics, the United States, it seems to be kind of almost like that. Everybody’s assumption is if you’re a Christian, I mean, I’m a white 46 year old Christian, technically from Texas, right. So I was like, Okay, well, then you must vote for you must have to vote for Donald Trump. You gay. I

Brandon Handley 46:08
mean, you gotta be Republican. Right? You

Unknown Speaker 46:10
can’t you hate gays, you Although run the whole gamut. And oh, my gosh, there’s a lot of people that are like waving the flags going, please don’t do that. Please don’t do that. Sure. Yeah. And so it’s challenging that narrative, as well as the internal narratives that we have. Because it’s not like, again, it’s not. This is where dualism comes into it. The answer isn’t for the Republican Party to go away. The answer isn’t for you, angelical Christians to go jump in a lake? The answer isn’t for liberals to die or liberals. It’s just not right. It’s not an answer. Right. Have you seen this historically? I mean, you find me a place where there’s where you eliminate all certain ethnicity, type, gender, religion, whatever. Show me where an elimination of that has led to prosperity? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:52
I don’t think elimination does it acceptance, does it? Well, man. Look, I always enjoy our conversation. I’m sure we could chat about quite a few other things. But you know, what would like one parting piece before you today to leave everybody with

Unknown Speaker 47:08
you? I know you like to ask them. When did you become first aware of yourself?

Brandon Handley 47:11
Yeah, that’s a good one. Sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:13
I was about six years old, I was going down the street called Murphy road in Missouri city, right outside of Houston, I can almost take you specifically toward that spot was and I remember, I just kept saying to myself as a very young person, who am I who am I, me, me, me. And I found myself kind of this understanding of your own consciousness, your understanding of your own self around what that means. And I do think there’s an is a very young person, absolutely ill equipped, and had no support structure to help me process that. And so I kind of put that voice to bed for a while. And it’s been a long time. kind of let it out a little bit. I think in the shower, that one day, it’s always there. But you’re kind of letting the world the voice win. And be domineering. And I think I would just encourage people to listen to that voice in their head that they’ve had in it those things that they think are cuckoo, or the things that they think are surely this is not something’s wrong, you know, I mean, if it if it starts to become part of an inner journey of awareness, yeah, it’s again, it’s scary, and it’s Rocky and it becomes really, really weird Twilight Zone music kind of stuff. But I think that’s, that’s the point. That’s one of the areas that we’re supposed to is that realization of self are and what it is, I think those that allows for us to embrace all these other things we hear about whether it’s giving of oneself or its community, or how do we sit at a table truly with somebody because we say all this stuff, like it’s easy, but when you’re actually sitting there with somebody and they’re looking at you going, No, Brandon, I can’t stand x kind of people because they’re all this or it you know, those that what about what about what about this? The biggest argument what what do you do about something breaks in your house? What about this? What about rapists? What about what about all the hundreds of the border that disappeared? You know, two years ago that somehow didn’t you’re only there for a little bit? Or? What if What if the democrats win the election? What are you gonna do about that? Right, because you’re just, you always have an argument to put that but that voice away, right, not listen to it, and then not embrace it. I would just encourage people to do so even if it’s crazy, even feels odd and weird, and it’s not gonna be like the movies. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 49:14
not gonna be like the movies. It’s not gonna be like the movies. Well, Sean, thank you so much for partnering with that one, too. And like you said, right, to become aware at such a young age and not have the system support for that. That’s look man that’s that’s that’s where I found myself at 40 right so becoming aware and maybe you know, to your point like maybe re becoming re aware I don’t know right? reborn right type of thing and, and recognizing it and instead of shoving it away like this is the moment now to accept that that is who you are, right framework or not, but this again, this podcast, you know, check out, come to the table podcast and look for places where what you’re actually Experiencing fits a framework. I actually, again, this is something I said last week on a podcast that I put out there. I wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s true for you or not. I wasn’t out there consuming all this information looking to have the experience. I had the experience and then I had to go look for the information so that I could understand it. Yes. So thank you so much, man. Appreciate you for being on today.

Unknown Speaker 50:23
Man. I appreciate what you’re doing. Keep it Keep up the good work and you keep it going, brother. Thanks for listening to the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 50:35
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Sam Crowely Everyday is Saturday

Sam Crowley is a former Fortune 100 exec who launched the personal development brand Every Day Is Saturday & the hugely successful EverydayIsSaturday.com. Sam is a best-selling co-author, speaker & business coach.

I followed Sam’s podcast for a while and eventually, I got the bug… I needed to create a podcast and I hired him to be my coach… it was during the process of creating the podcast and working with Sam that I had my “awakening experience” and at some point I had asked Sam if he could tell me what he meant by bringing someone to Christ.

That was a couple of years ago, and I wanted to capture what that meant from him again so that I could share it here with you…

Check it out and, hey, check out his podcast as well… very good spiritual dope!

Interested in working with Sam? Check out his current site: https://launchmymovement.com/

Transcribed from Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey, their spiritual dope I am on today with the legendary Sam Crowley from every day is Saturday and something I haven’t talked about on this podcast is is that Sam was sounds like my coach Sam’s like the reason I have a podcast at all. So, you know, super excited to have you on is Sam, what’s going on?

Sam Crowley 0:25
Hey, Brandon, great to be back, man. It’s been a minute since the last time we chatted. So I’m fired up. And I love spiritual dope. I think that’s a great title for a podcast. So congrats,

Brandon Handley 0:35
man, I appreciate appreciate your huge inspiration as to why I am where I am today. And I think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast. And I always like to start these off with like, Hey, you know, God kind of talks to us, right? We’re just we’re just here, living out his message. Right? So in that vein, what’s God saying to you today that my listeners need to hear?

Sam Crowley 1:00
Well, I think no matter where you’ve been, man, no matter how big of it, like I am the world’s biggest screw up, you know, I’ve made way too many mistakes in my life and you know, too embarrassed to talk about most of them. We hide a lot from you know, our authenticity, because we’re afraid that other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it. And you know, we end up tripping over our past man. And I’ll tell you, if you and I’m not saying you got to put all your stuff out, you don’t need to do that. But I just did a Facebook Live Video literally right, before we jumped on about this topic. So if I can share that if it’s okay, I just yeah, absolutely just want to say that, you know, I help people really gain clarity and with their messages, you know, and people are like, Well, I’m not an A list celebrity or nobody knows me. And I’m not famous that. That’s great. Like that works in your favor, because I don’t know about you, but I am way past wanting to hear from Hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life, or who to vote for or anything like that. I just, I go to a movie, I want to watch a movie, you know, I want to learn from everyday people that are struggling, that are having financial relationship, money problems, not that they’re whining on me, but they’re one step ahead of where I am. So if I’m making 10 grand a month, I want to learn from somebody making 20 grand a month, if I’m in a, if I got a girlfriend, I want to learn how to make that person, my wife and how to treat her right. If I want a closer relationship with God, then I want to plug into somebody who doesn’t need to be a pastor, just but somebody whose works have some messy stuff in their life. And they figured out how to just get through the valley, they haven’t figured life out. I mean, nobody’s got that figured out. So God places on my heart every day, watch what you say, Crowley because you’re a loose cannon out there. Okay, the tongue can be used for good and not so good. It can be used to tear down it could be used to build up. So make sure you try as best you can. Because I know you’re still gonna screw this thing up. But you got a podcast, it’s been downloaded 20 million times you got a little bit of responsibility. Now you’re not that bubble on a skillet, from way back in the day, who could just go all over the place. And so I just want everybody to know, your path should be celebrated that you’re still here. You made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just say they just want to know, can you get me from point A to point B, that’s all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. That is if it’s cleaning your carpet, trimming your trees, coaching, building a website, figuring out a mortgage, that’s all they want.

Brandon Handley 3:19
That’s it, man. I love it. I love it. You know? And that was actually again, one of the things I loved about you, right? It was a week we connected you. You’re promoting your podcast course. And I bet I was like that’s it. I mean, this guy’s got something I want, right? And that can get me somewhere. And that was the course. And then when I got the course, here, Sam Crowley shows up and like a baseball cap. And you know, there’s a whiteboard flip chart, he’s just doing your thing. And you look, it looked like I could do it. Right. I was like, Well, okay, that’s the next step for me. How can I How can I move to what Sam’s doing right and share at the same time share my message, right? I share this thing that’s in my heart, finding, what is that thing in my heart, right? Because man, talk to me about how you know, give the audience here who doesn’t know every day is Saturday, a little bit of background?

Sam Crowley 4:12
Well, my daughter back in the day, I was a corporate slave and I’ve been in the corporate game for 15 years, and I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. I was making about 110 grand a year salary, stock options, company car, all that stuff. But I had just become a dad recently, a few years prior to that. And my dad left me and my mom raising kids by herself. This was the late 60s I was born in 1968. My dad left you’d had he went crazy. just lost his mind left. My mom’s raising kids so you know, welfare and all that stuff. Free cheese, goodwill, clothes, all that and you know a beaut alcoholic mom pretty abusive verbally, but I knew she loved me deep down knew she loved me. She never told me never heard it once from a parent in my life. Wow. Or you are loved and I searched for that my whole life. It has a lot to do with why sometimes I do. stupid things is because I’m looking for that acceptance. Because I never had a grown up, man. All I ever heard from my mom was I never asked for you, and I never wanted you. You know, that’s what she told me a lot, you know, while she was on the ball. So I never held that against her though. So I said, God, if you ever get any kids, I’m just going to be the best part. I’m going to be that Dad, I’m going to be throwing the football, I’m going to be going to the games, the ballet, I’m going to be picking them up. And you know what, man? My daughters have never they don’t even know me ever having a job. They don’t recall me ever go into a job. And they don’t ever resonate. They just know me as the guy that’s into drop offline and the pickup line at school. And look, man, I am not you know, Mr. Mom, I’ve got a wife at 22 years, he does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at 24 weeks one pound. And we didn’t sleep for three years because the kid was in children’s hospital. 221 days begging for life. When she comes home, we turn her house into a hospital. She was on a train ventilator and all of that. So you know, the everyday Saturday story, by the way, she’s six years old. Now the happiest kid you’d ever seen no trick, no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem, things like that. But she’s built in the image of the Creator, just like you are just like every listener is built in the image of the Creator. You know, I’m a Christian. So I believe that we all have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And I think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the Old Testament, you got Moses, you got David, you got everybody like that. And, and they say, Man, what is it like to live with the Holy Spirit inside you? Hmm. We didn’t have that before Christ, like, Whoa, that would be like, wow, you got all these people in the Old Testament would have loved have had the Holy Spirit, the Spirit Jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. Were bulletproof man, you know, we’re only here for a short period of time. That’s why I walk around with kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say Hey, man, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me I don’t worry about finances, I have a little bit of anxiety, worry about my you know, but but that’s what it means to me. And the whole everyday Saturday messages is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self. And I know I’m gonna make some people I’m pissing people off, I get it, I’m gonna acquire taste. And I’m not I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, I get it. But I’ve been able to, you know, through only through the grace of God and the Holy Spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with and just allows them I teach people how to share a compelling story. That’s it. I teach people how I do 10 minutes story, podcast, in my car in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. And I’ve been doing it for 15 years. And that’s really the crux of my business. It’s so embarrassing. But it’s what I do. Like that’s all I do

Brandon Handley 7:42
not and it works for you. Right? I never knew the the part were never never caught that, you know, your mom never even said that. You know, I love you. That’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to tough way to grow up.

Sam Crowley 7:55
But you make you appreciate, it makes you appreciate because it makes you do a 180 in life. Like if you’ve been if you’ve been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you’re sober for X amount of days, or you’ve been a drug addict or you’ve been up up, you’ve been addicted to porn. We all have addictions, man, I was addicted to money and ego and all that. But when you never hear I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don’t have a drink? Or do you make sure you’re more cognizant and forgiving of those that are going through tough times? I think it I’m not trying to go all you know the other way. But I really think it’s a blessing if you can just look at it from that perspective, you know?

Brandon Handley 8:32
Well, yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a big challenge to to get to that point, right? You got to get you got to get to that point to be able to say, you know, everything that I went through was to prepare me for what I need to go through. Right, or to help other or to help others get through similar things, right? Be like, Hey, here’s, here’s a path forward, you know where you are, right? Now, if you’re talking to somebody that’s in a similar situation that you went through, be like, hey, there’s, there’s a way out. And here’s what I found. That works for me, right? I love how you brought up like, you know, kind of the Holy Spirit, right? Being imbibed with that touch. I mean, I’m not 100% sure what you mean by that. So if you could tell the audience what that means to you, I’d love to love to share that.

Sam Crowley 9:08
What Jesus said that I leave my spirit with you when I die, I’m going to heaven. And I’m seated at the right hand of the cross. And I will come back again one day to judge the living and the dead, you know, and as Christians, we know that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins we Christianity is not a deeds driven religion. You can’t you know, you can’t go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or say 10 our father’s in a hail mary or anything like that. That’s not getting you into God’s already given us through the grace of his son’s death. We have that tickets been punched. So it’s not like you go out there and you don’t act nice. It’s just that it doesn’t matter. Brandon, you could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody and you and I are still getting into heaven. As long as I asked for forgiveness of my sins and accept Christ as my Savior. There are 10 commandments in the Bible. Thou shalt That steel is one of them. That you know. So if you steal $1 from somebody knowingly and I go kill someone, those are viewed equally in the Bible isn’t as you’ve broken a commandment, there is no little white lie or venial sin or mortal sin, all stuff. So what it means to have the Holy Spirit inside of you is that you’ve got that power of Jesus Christ inside of you, doesn’t mean you won’t die of cancer. Now, I mean, that we have, it’s a fallen world. That’s the other side of the coin. You know, I’ve lost friends in my 30s and 40s, I lost my mom in 1997. I mean, I’ve had nasty things done to me, I’ve done nasty things to people. I mean, it’s a fallen world, man, we also have this thing called free will, you know. But when you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, that means you have Jesus Christ himself inside of you. So when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table, and you just got laid off, it’s not like it’s a get out of jail free card, but it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of Christ to know that we this is just a temporary gig, man, even if you live to the mortal age at 78, the average mortality in the US there, and I’ll give you the exact analogy of a gentleman, this pastor, Francis Chan, who used this analogy, imagine a row that goes all around the world, millions and millions of times just this big row, and millions and millions and millions and millions of feet of this row, at the very beginning of this rope rain is just that red marker. And just like that just right, the very beginning. That’s life on Earth. No, no rest of the rope represents eternity. So that’s why, like I said, I get mad, I fly off the handle, you know, and I get anxious about stuff. But when you rest in the word, you’re never anxious, because you’re resting in Christ Himself. This is all just such a temporary gig, man. It is.

Brandon Handley 11:51
I love it. And I love the idea too, that you, you don’t hide this from anyone. Right? Or at least back it up. Because when when I did, when I was, you know, a big listener of yours. You were, I think just kind of leading into sharing, you know, your Christianity like, full on like super hard, right? Like it was your it was it was the, you know, armor of God ages or whatever like that, right? Like, this is like you were just going full on. You talk about what it meant for you to incorporate that into your podcast. Well, you

Sam Crowley 12:28
know, I’ve always been a Christian was always like, I grew up Catholic. And then in 2005, I would, I would say, that’s what most people would view as the word like being saved. Like you’ve accepted Christ into your heart, you know, and then around, you know, five years ago, or so when I was going through all this stuff with my daughter, I’m like, man, all I have all we had was faith. That’s all we had. We didn’t have anything other than our faith. I’m not, I don’t know what to do with a kid born at one pound with a hole in her heart, several brain bleeds. I don’t even know she can see me. I mean, what do you do with a kid at one time? All you have is faith in God that at that point, at least, that’s all I had. So I started, you know, sharing more of it on social media. And then what’s funny is I just did one town a lot. I sent an email out to my list, and I said, Hey, man, I gotta give praise to God. You know, I don’t know if you guys get this, but I am a Christian. I believe in God, I just like everything I just told you, you know. And I had an email list of 39,000 people at the time, and I said, Hey, if you’re on if you want to stay on my list, man, and you believe this message, you click this link. Well, 38,000 of them did. Okay. So my email is basically going from 39,000 to 1000. But my business increased that year. So I mean, look, I don’t know, but I just, I’m not a preacher, Pastor, teacher,

Unknown Speaker 13:37
you know.

Sam Crowley 13:39
I mean, I think even Tony Robbins would acknowledge that all of the motivation that he says, or Jim Rohn, or Les Brown, it all comes from the Bible. It’s all the parables that Tony talks about, and Jim Rohn if you’ve never listened to him on YouTube, it’s a must listen. They all come from the Bible, Bob Proctor, they’re all biblically based, you know? And so they’re 66 of the best motivational books you’ll ever hear all wrapped into one book called The Bible, and a lot of people butcher it. Like they’ll say, money is the root of all evil. Well, no, the love of money is the root of all evil. Yeah, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay, but that’s because money’s reference. There’s a reason why it’s referenced more than any other phrase in the Bible, because God knew it would become an idol to us, you know. So I’m not a pastor. I’m just really in tune with the Christian message. And if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer, a glass of mirlo, I’m that guy. If you want me to quote scripture, I’m not that guy, because I can barely quote it, but I know who wrote it. And I’m got a pretty good relationship with the guy, I think, you know, but I’m not here to bring anybody to Christ. I’m here. If anybody were to say, Hey, tell me more about it like you did.

Unknown Speaker 14:46
I’m here to tell you more about it.

Sam Crowley 14:47
But I think the worst thing we can do as Christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat and say, repent, repent, you know, your last day No, because people don’t read. I think people resonate with more how you carry yourself, you know, then how you can Quotes scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like, quotes the Bible and throws it back at me, you know?

Brandon Handley 15:06
Now that can be that can be annoying, but it’s funny. It’s funny it’s you bring up, you know Bob Proctor right. And and that line the the idea of people people don’t resist change they resist being changed right from Bob Proctor like that’s that’s one of his lines the you know you brought up you bring it up like you know maybe your job is not to bring people to Christ but we you and I had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to Christ. Even if you don’t feel like that’s your job? What does it mean to bring someone to Christ them?

Sam Crowley 15:41
Well, I think we have a mutual friend Adam, who thanked me because he claimed that I had brought him to Christ and he got baptized, and he let me know about it one day a few years ago saying, Hey, man, I got baptized, you know, you’re the reason I came to Christ and like, Wow, that’s pretty big deal, man. Like, I would give away all my money and all everything. God if some if I were to get that message, you know, because, as Paul says, and all the apostasy I mean, the reason they were persecuted, and all of that is because they want they were preaching the gospel, you know, and we’re sick. We’re the only reason we’re here as Christians is to share the good news. But I gotta tell you, dude, I ain’t going to Kroger in the produce section and sharing the good news with a stranger. I just don’t do that. And I know I’m supposed to do that. But I just can’t, I can’t do that, you know. But to bring somebody to Christ is like, that is monumental. I mean, that is amazing. Because now you know that they have that everything I just talked about earlier, they have that they rest in that piece, and they have that relationship. And it’s a personal relationship to everybody. That’s why I’m not in your face. But it’s personal to people. So, you know, if you are messing up, I’m not here to say, you know, stop watching the porn or stop stealing money or stop gambling or anything like that and say, Man, if you if you want to talk about it, if I can help you at all, I can share some great resources with you, but only when you’re ready, because if you’re not ready, it’s just it has the opposite effect, you know.

Brandon Handley 17:02
Now, I like that a lot, too. I think that’s almost fair to have some of these. I don’t know, put ourselves out there some of these endeavors, right. But also be willing to take that step towards that if that’s something that you think is good for you like, go go explore it and go find out what it’s like. And again, go to somebody like Sam, or others, like, you know, for Christianity or podcasting and marketing, right. For me, I think I think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in what’s inside of me, right, the spirit that’s inside of me, Holy Spirit, I guess, right. I think that I could make that linkage, feeling that and then stuffing, you know, this was another huge. I love that. I still like this is a lie that echoes from Sam’s podcasts from back in the day, because when was the last time you stepped out in faith? Mm hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I’m sure he probably said it several times since since then on the podcast, but you know, you would hear Sam go When was the last time you stepped out? When is the last time you went out? You did something that you you believed in right. And in yourself, right. with purpose and passion does and Sam, if you haven’t listened to Sam’s podcast, this is something that he does very well. I told him I hadn’t listened for a minute. And I picked up podcasts listen a few this morning. It seems like charging, charging, gung ho with everything. And then it was so much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational, you are inspiring. You know, I caught the one where you know, your daughter was being bullied. Yeah. Right. And just just how fired up and how authentic you are. On your podcast, when somebody you know, reaches out to where should they be in life? Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to Sam Crowley to have you coach them or mentor them for podcasting,

Sam Crowley 18:54
they got to be ready to step like you just said it step out. And a lot of people really, they just and I was that way to man, I’m not here again, you got to be ready, you got to you got to be ready to launch your message. And that sounds pretty, like scary. And what do I do? It’s nothing. I mean, it’s just let me help you gain clarity on what your message is, like I said, you could be a carpet cleaner, tree trimming trees, you could be a motivational speaker, whatever it is you want to do, but everything comes to us through the power of a story. And I teach people how to tell their story. So you got to be ready to create your million dollar message, and then learn how to make money with that message. And that’s an organic play. It’s not a push button. I mean, we can all buy Facebook ads, drive traffic to a funnel and then deal with all those numbers. I’m more of an organic guy where I like to build it from podcasting is my main thing, but you could do it on YouTube. You could do it on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, I mean, I’m just I focus on podcasts and because I’ve been doing it 15 years and I like to do simple, better. You know, if you talk about that one phrase right there, do simple better. So keep it simple and do it Better than everybody else. Don’t keep you know, look squirrel, you know, and you go chase in 10 different things. It’s just, I’ve seen that I’ve done it, how do I know what doesn’t work? I’ve done all this stuff I talked about that doesn’t work. The only way I know is because I’ve actually done it myself, you know? And so I’ve chased those squirrels to shiny objects thinking I’m gonna get on a webinar. Oh my god, I’m gonna do real estate liens and tax liens. And I’m gonna go do commercial real estate and I’m gonna go be an MLM. And I’m gonna have lotions, potions and pills in my basement. My I’ve done all that man. And you know what that works. There’s billionaires in the MLM industry, you know, who isn’t passionate about lotions, potions and pills, this guy, me, I wouldn’t be good at it. Because I’m not passionate about it. You know what, I’m passionate about getting on a podcast with you and talking about stuff that’s real. And, you know, when you talking about faith, a faith that’s never been tested can’t be trusted. So if you think that you’re going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out, it ain’t gonna work. Because if you’ve never tested it, how could you possibly trust it? You know,

Brandon Handley 20:59
always so much fun with Sam Crowley always so much fun. Sam, I know we’ve got kind of a short time period today. So I’m not going to try and drag anything out. You got time? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when I’m, when you also talked about being saved in 2005. Right. I’m curious what that look like and felt like for you?

Sam Crowley 21:21
Well, I had been through a bankruptcy. So I was humbled. Thank God when he’s when you’re ready to come to him. He I think he’s gonna humble everybody. At some point in time. I had an ego the size of Montana. Like I said, I was running a $90 million corporate division here in Cincinnati. And I had all these employees problem was I had 20 college credits, most of them gym and health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn’t get my dog to sit, let alone you know, get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john Maxwell. Okay. So I was just terrible, I think at what I did, but I was getting all these accolades and getting promoted, but I didn’t have a passion for it. And it all came crashing down. I left and I thought there’s going to be I bought a quiznos franchise and that what the hell I love went bankrupt, lost 300 grand, borrowed money from my sister lost that I had no money, man, no money, file bankruptcy October 11 2005. It was humbling. I didn’t bankruptcy is like a scarlet letter. I thought you could just not ever recover. It’s done, you’re done. And I lost my job and why I left my job. But then I went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that’s when I would start going to church with my wife. And I’m like, Man, this is crazy. What’s really putting her hand in the air? What we don’t do that at cat like growing up Catholic. You don’t talk in church? You know, what’s that PowerPoint up there? Man? This is good. This is what is this a movie theater production or something? But then it started to work. And that’s what God does. He starts to work on a broken heart, a broken person, you can’t we got this facade up. You got that ego like I you know, you can’t God can’t go to work on you. But he will, he’ll get to you. And he’ll get to you through the crack in your armor. And we all got to crack an armor and heal us and Satan will get to you through the cracks in your armor to. And when Satan gets to you through pornography, through drugs through alcohol through money, he knows the crack in your armor, he will work that crap. God was looking for the light and he’s looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan’s looking to do one thing that’s all he can do is why he’s got to lie. It’s all he does is lie. The one trick that’s the lie to you. So when I was saved, I accepted Christ. I said, Man, I can’t do this anymore. I don’t want the ego. I just don’t want any I just want a relationship with God. Now I know why I’m here. And that’s you know what happened?

Brandon Handley 23:34
as powerful I’d never heard that story from you before. So I appreciate you sharing that. When when you not now you’re not you’re full in right. Do you feel like your business is more fulfilling? Because you’ve got your spirituality? Lead on it?

Sam Crowley 23:50
I think so. Yeah. I mean, look, I don’t have it figured out. I feel like you know, I have I listen to great podcast elevation church, Steven furtick in North Carolina. I love my favorite podcast. I listened to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind where it needs to be. And here’s the thing I do have that I don’t think I used to have is when I feel myself straying off course. God brings me back and look keep the main thing the main thing remember your dad your husband? Yeah, you know, this business isn’t everything cuz? Look, I have ups and downs like everybody does in business and relationships and you know, finances all that stuff and health. But I feel like you know, now at least I’ve got kind of an internal GPS guiding me. I didn’t know that before.

Brandon Handley 24:39
You mentioned like the health part. I know. I remember. One of the big parts too. When we first connected you were doing 100 laps, I think through the pool. Right? And that’s, that’s actually what I mean. I ended up doing it too, which is really funny. I ended up you know, swimming and doing a triathlon and, and getting healthy. You know, how’s that tying into to kind of everything you’re Going to

Sam Crowley 25:00
Well, my wife and I joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and I weighed 210. But I’ve kind of purpose because I drove the car off the cliff with food night before I started going out to a big dinner and my wife and I weighed in at 210. down to 190. It’s only been five weeks. We’re on week six. Now, my wife and I’ve grown very close together through this because we’re doing it together. I did drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. She’s like, I don’t want to do this belly. Come on, let’s do it. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We’ve gone closer we eat together now breakfast, lunch, dinner, because we got to eat the same types of foods and stuff. And I always think that, you know, health is so amazing. I’m 52 years old man. I feel like I’m 25 I’m not really I’m not just saying I really do I feel the aches and pains. And I get up a little bit in the morning that I didn’t when I was younger, but I mean, I’m running three, four times a week I’m lifting three times a week. I feel like I could you know, get in a ring with a gorilla and beat the crap out of them. And I feel like I can outrun Roger Bannister, man, you know all of this at the same time. And I say all that jokingly because I can’t do any of that. But health wise. Right now I feel I’m just getting healthier and stronger and my mind is sharper. And for example, I gave up cream. I never had sugar. I gave up sugar a long time I gave up sugar and pasta A long time ago still eat bread sometimes. Well, now I’m drinking black coffee. I’m not a black coffee guy at all like I can I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought I’d have to have black coffee. Well not you get a little bit of you know, flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodle. Something like that. It doesn’t count against you. It’s all about that intermittent fasting. You know what I mean? Sure. So I’m a black coffee guy. Now I’ll never go back to cream. I haven’t had cream in six weeks. I haven’t had sugar in six weeks outside of fruit. You know, natural sugar.

Unknown Speaker 26:42
Feeling amazing.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That’s what you’d be doing now. Right? That’s what it’s like. I mean, cuz I’ve been a black coffee guy for years. And like, really? Oh, yeah. When I see put people put cream and sugar. I’m like, that’s a Why would you ruin a good coffee?

Sam Crowley 26:56
Dude, you should go to Dunkin because there are people who get 1213 sugars. Okay, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. But I was in line the other day at Dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Yeah, five sugars and on a Carmel swirl coffee which is all sugar itself. She leaves I go Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with it. Five sugar. She was a guy before he had 13 I go 13.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
How to how do you even drink coffee with 13 sugars? stick with what we’re doing to our body? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:26
All that all that inclusive. All that included? So you mentioned you mentioned a couple of podcasts and what are some audibles? I guess that you like to keep your spirituality Mojo going,

Sam Crowley 27:40
like audio books or podcasts or

Brandon Handley 27:42
audio books, podcasts, resources that if you know the people looking for a spiritual bump, or as I like to call it spiritual dope, get their hit. Where would they go? Like what do you like?

Sam Crowley 27:54
Well, I think there’s a few Steven furtick. There’s my number one, like I said, elevation church. I love it. Chris vallotton has some great audio books. The one I listened to recently was called poverty, riches and wealth. It’s v as in Victor al L. Ott, O n Kris vallotton. Chris with a K. K ri s. And that’s a great audio book. It’s a biblically based book about poverty, riches and wealth. And it doesn’t make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy Christian. Alright? Because God, God, God wants us to be prosperous. He just doesn’t want us to idolize money. That’s all. And so look, if there weren’t any wealthy Christians, churches wouldn’t be built hospital England and get funded things like that, you know, we need very, very wealthy people who know how to use that money for God’s kingdom. So those are the types of audible audios that I search for our wealthy, both. I don’t mean wealthy, just money wise, I mean, wealthy, but I’m not going to listen to somebody who says give all your money away. God doesn’t want you to buy That’s crazy. You know, God, we can’t money is just a tool. It doesn’t like the old adage I don’t know who said it, but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper, put an egg on it, you know, money.

But, you know,

it’s just I like wealthy Christians who do good things. I mean, Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life, you know, and that guy, reverse tide is 90% of his money gives away lives on 10%. Now I understand 10% of 10 million or whatever, the guy has a lot of money, but still, he’s given away how many other people could make that much money and give away 90% you know, so those are the types of teachings I like to listen to.

Brandon Handley 29:29
And that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Reminds me of a good a Buddhist Reverend on I talked to him every once in a while. And he talks about being able to give with wisdom, right? Not just not just like, give it all away. But to be able to give and know that it’s going to a place that it’s going to have an impact. It’s like an investment in society. Right. where’s this going to best? best best? best play out? Is it brother I don’t have a whole lot for you today, man. It’s been a minute I wanted to go. Yeah, well wanted to get you on and just, you know, thank you again for being the inspiration that you were, and are, and you continue to be for others and what it looks like to, you know, be a shining light and have a flourishing business. And that’s something I think you’ve exemplified.

Sam Crowley 30:15
Thank you. And it’s great catching up with you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Brandon Handley 30:18
Absolutely. Where do I send people to go find the SAM Crowley?

Sam Crowley 30:23
Dale, I’ve got a brand new video I put out at launch my movement.com and they could check out I will launch and your entire podcast for you.

Brandon Handley 30:32
Well, well, wait a second. What’s that look like?

Sam Crowley 30:36
What’s that look like? All you got to do is literally talk, I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with your podcast. So all you got to do is literally just speak into the microphone that I tell you to buy. Even that

Unknown Speaker 30:48
part is done. Wow. Wow. Okay,

Sam Crowley 30:51
so it’s a done for you podcast is program if you go to launch my movement calm.

Brandon Handley 30:55
That’s awesome, man. No, that’s great. That’s great. And the guys guys and girls. You know, Sam has been doing it for a long time. He is a coach for Tony Robbins. Right. Can I say that? You know, they’re coaches on a podcast. Yeah. So I mean, you know, it’s not like he’s some dude, just like he may be doing I was basement and he is definitely like, is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But uh, you know, you know, reach out to him because he’s legit. He’s been doing it for a long time. And if you’ve got a message that’s on your heart, he can help you get that out there. And the part about like, it had been handheld, like to get through it. And with that kind of plan. That’s awesome. Sam, thanks for putting that out there for people back. Being a good student. Dude. I remember when we I remember when we started working together three years ago. And I know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were when we first started working together. Who’s this guy? What am I getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends, you know,

Sam Crowley 31:54
talk, and we respect each other. And that’s what happens when you get into a concurrent relationship with people on the internet. You know, you can have these long lasting friendships, and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn’t mean you look at them with $1 sign on their forehead, we you know, we’ll be talking for a long time to come. So don’t be afraid to put your message out there. you’ll attract individuals like I attracted Brandon. And here we are three and a half, almost four years later, still in touch with each other. That’s the power of building friendships out of client relationships.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Agree? Yeah.

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Be sure to catch the Conscious Spirit Fest October 18 2020

Arizona Bell is the co-founder and CEO of Spirit Guides Media—a growing media network that’s dedicated to truth and driven by Spirit—and the host of the podcast A Matter of Life and Death with Arizona Bell. A grief coach and afterlife expert, Arizona is an inspirational speaker with the message that examining death and what happens to us after death is the absolute best way to live our richest, most meaningful lives here on Earth. A rising voice in the spiritual community, she appeared as a panelist on George Noory’s afterlife expert panel at the Afterlife Research and Education Institute Symposium in 2018 and speaks regularly at various conferences and events. Arizona’s book “Soul Magic: Ancient Wisdom for Modern Mystics” is available now.

Arizona stopped by on Spiritual Dope as we covered all types of things:

What exactly is it about examing death that can inspire you to live your best life?

How do you transition from writing for medical journals to spirituality?

Different ways to pray & what exactly is OG meditation?

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  • user avatarbrandon handley00:014321 Hey there, Spiritual Dope. This is Brandon Handley on with another outstanding guest Arizona bell, and she is the co founder and CEO of Spirit Guides Media
  • 00:15A growing media network that’s dedicated to truth and driven by spirit and the host of the podcast, a matter of life and death with Arizona bell
  • 00:23A grief coach and afterlife expert Arizona is an inspirational speaker with the message that examine that. And what happened was, after death is the absolute best way to live our richest, most meaningful lives here on her.
  • 00:35Arising voice in a spiritual community, she appeared as a panelist on great George Norris afterlife expert panel at the afterlife. Research Institute education Institute’s symposium in 2018
  • 00:47And speaks regularly at various conferences and events Arizona’s book sold magic ancient wisdom from the modern mystics is available now or is. Oh, thank you so much for popping out today, how are you
  • user avatarSpirit Guides00:59Hey, thanks for having me. Brandon, I’m doing really well, actually, uh, you know, you never know in 2020 with ups and downs of of everything. But today I’m doing great. I’m feeling good. How about you.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:09I love it. Right, like 2020 if ever there was a a year where you seize the day right you take it for all that you can get out of it because you don’t know what’s around the corner right
  • user avatarSpirit Guides01:20And absolutely, if you’re not. If not now, when right
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:26I love 2024 for what is actually kind of brought brought to us right arm. I think there’s opportunity to
  • 01:32Do what you and I are doing on really kind of dig deep and live our authentic lives because you don’t know what’s around the corner. Really presented itself in 2020 that’s my honest opinion.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides01:43Absolutely. And just, I’ll just riff here for a minute, in my personal life. That’s how it worked out.
  • 01:48You know i i hit rock bottom and hit a period of grief in my life. And next thing you know, I’m like, Okay. Life’s too short. And it really put the fire under my butt. And I got to step in and live in my purpose. And I think on a collective level that’s what’s happening with 2020
  • user avatarbrandon handley02:03Is what it looks like right a lot. There’s a lot of raw files on
  • 02:06A lot bombs and and not to laugh, but it’s again just giving us the opportunity to bounce back. And so our spiritual resilience and what that but that kind of shine.
  • 02:15But they kind of shy so I like to start these off with, like, you know, the idea is that the creator speaks through us right and
  • 02:25Universe energies, energy, whatever speaking through us today and it’s delivering a message to one of our listeners that can only come through this instance right so what is that message that you would deliver to that person today.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides02:40This is man, this is interesting because right before this, I got on. And I do this typically
  • 02:45Every once in a while. I forget, but it’s kind of my routine to get to
  • 02:48Get into meditated mode. Before I go on, either my podcast or somebody else’s and say,
  • 02:54Let’s let the message come through that needs to be heard the most that helps the most amount of people
  • 02:59You know, it’s interesting. I’ve never been asked to to pick what that message is. So you put me on the spot, but um you know i i think that maybe the messages. What you kind of
  • 03:12You said spiritual resilience. I think that that’s the message of this year. And that’s the message, maybe of this podcast, because that’s where we started going right away. And I think just
  • 03:24The fact of the idea that human hearts are so resilient were built in Phoenix’s were born to burn and we’re born to rise. And I think that it’s really
  • 03:33Really important to remember that right now, when everything is burning down metaphorically or literally, you know. So I think it’s really important that we remember how resilient. We actually are.
  • user avatarbrandon handley03:46Built in Phoenix is built on Phoenix’s and
  • user avatarSpirit Guides03:49I don’t know where that came from. That was
  • 03:52That was like our archangel
  • user avatarbrandon handley03:54Was it right that’s it 100% you open yourself up to it and just allowed to kind of kind of come through.
  • 04:02And that’s exactly what it is. So, whoever’s out there. Just know that you have this built in Phoenix, whatever is kind of sparking you right now. You can kind of fan that and rise up out of the ashes into something more boys than you ever were before. Right.
  • 04:18Totally. Um, so let’s let them give some background, right, who is Arizona bell
  • 04:26Yeah, are you
  • 04:27Doing here. Um, you know, give us the lowdown
  • user avatarSpirit Guides04:30That’s literally what I’ve been asking myself all year. Who am I, why am I here. No, you know, I
  • 04:37I would have said, you know, for most of my life. Arizona bell is a writer, like, that was my identity that’s that’s who I showed up as and then a little, little bit over five years ago, about five and a half years ago.
  • 04:50My mother passed away. She was my best friend.
  • 04:53She was 59 when she passed away. I was 30 so that’s pretty young, relatively speaking for both of us. And we were very, very close in it. It ripped my world apart. And that was my burned down moment and
  • 05:05And eventually became my Phoenix moment, and it gave me, like I said, the fire under my butt to really step into my full
  • 05:14Purpose and alignment, whereas before I was just sort of dabbling, you know, I was like dabbling one foot into my spiritual purpose and the other into really messing around, and not really committing to anything and
  • 05:27You know, just that kind of stuff. And so, you know, after my mom passed. I did the grieving thing for her, you know, I’m still doing the grieving thing, but I did that pretty hardcore. And then I woke up one day and I said okay like
  • 05:39I’m going to do this, I’m going to do what Spirit wants me to do. So I basically surrendered to that to spirit to source to God to divine energy, whatever you want to call it. I said, All right, listen.
  • 05:52I get that I’m here for a reason. Show me what that reason is. Bring it to me every day and I’ll do it. So you know I stepped into service mode. Basically, which I wasn’t able to do before I hit rock bottom. And with that.
  • 06:05Came the starting of my company, which originally. Like I said, my background.
  • 06:09Background was in writing. So I started a little digital magazine called spirit guides magazine, because I
  • 06:15I was young, relatively young in the spiritual world and I saw that there was a huge void of spirituality being targeted to younger generations and therefore there’s a huge disconnect because
  • 06:26People my age millennials and younger weren’t really connecting with
  • 06:31The kinds of websites and graphics and conferences and kind of that that were sort of felt a little bit outdated, but we were hungering for spiritual knowledge so that was kind of the reason I started it.
  • 06:42And that little Instagram magazine has now evolved to a media company we’re called spirit guides media and within it. We have podcasts. We’re starting a radio station books.
  • 06:54Everything courses and thrown a festival with my good friend from conscious living PR Mona. So we just got everything going on. So that’s kind of a hope I answered the question. I don’t, I don’t know how to fully say who I am or why I’m here. But that’s a star, I guess.
  • user avatarbrandon handley07:09Sure how that that it’s a lot for us to work with. Right. So, that is how you and I connected we connected through Mona, Lauren, who was one of the first guest on this podcast.
  • 07:20And you know so super glad that we were able to get connected through her
  • 07:25Checked out spirit. Guys, you’ve got a lot going on there. Looks like it’s kind of a community right of built up around spirituality and. Is that what the intention is just kind of a community for, like, you know, will say for a younger generation. Is that what you’re saying.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides07:43You know, absolutely. The intention was to build a spiritual community. And even though we are gearing towards gearing it more towards
  • 07:52Visually towards younger people. I mean, spirituality is for everybody. So I have people across the board, you know, but we did. We did kind of dominate that you know
  • 08:0318 to 34 demographic. I mean, that’s, that is what our demographic is. And of course there’s outliers and the young at heart, and all that. But we did want to make it fresh and hip, you know, and that that was an intention and definitely
  • 08:17The spiritual community aspect of because for me. My personal story is, I was the lone wolf on the spiritual path. I didn’t have, you know, I wasn’t raised religious I didn’t have a spiritual community, as in the spiritual closet, to be frank, so
  • 08:30I did this year I did the spirituality thing by myself. And so I really did want to create a community.
  • 08:37For those that might be feeling the same way. And luckily, with the world that we’re living in with technology. It’s easier to do that, you know, like we’re doing this on zoom right now and and so I’m able to hold courses and
  • 08:49workshops and the festival, even now online and as membership community, so it’s it’s all able to be done online and it’s it’s absolutely to have a spiritual community in such a weird time
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:03And there’s no no better time for us so funny you mentioned your demographics, because you’re pulling off is right where I started on my demographics. Right.
  • 09:12Right on. And that’s and that’s simply because I speak to my generation, right. So you’re speaking to your generation, you know the language you know on the spiritual connection.
  • 09:21From that perspective. Right. And that’s not to say, like you said, there’s gonna be there’s gonna be people. There’s going to be the outliers that you attract but like you’re able really well able to speak to that specific group.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides09:33Right but but it ends there because I don’t do Tick tock. So I don’t know.
  • 09:37I don’t know how much younger. I can get that
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:40Tick tock. Tick tock. Some is
  • user avatarSpirit Guides09:43For sure.
  • user avatarbrandon handley09:44Somebody platforms right I’m and I’m doing I’m doing what I do.
  • 09:49Exactly.
  • 09:50So, so I get it, I get it.
  • 09:53When you know I want to give also this kind of premise of what you were into before you got into the spiritual realm, who and what type of content. Were you writing before you got in the conscious
  • 10:08Conscious right
  • user avatarSpirit Guides10:09Sure. You know, I think, well, I was doing a couple things. There was what I was doing for work. I was very fortunate to get paid to be a writer. I know a lot of people in the writing world.
  • 10:21seek that out. And what that I was writing for what pays. I was writing for medical journals and medical magazines and medical medical medical I was writing for universities, things like that.
  • 10:34But the big bucks were in the medical field. I was the editorial director at a magazine for physicians and an assistant assistant editor at a magazine an international magazine for doctors and dentists so
  • 10:49And, you know, with my mom passing away, she had cancer. So I was all up in the medical industry going through it with her and I just found myself writing things that I didn’t agree with. And so, it hit me.
  • 11:01For a while, I mean, I don’t want to get to the specifics, but
  • 11:06Yeah, just
  • 11:09Just the sick, I would call the sickness industry of the of the medical industry and just a lot of things that there were ignoring about actually keeping people healthy and I had to start to believe that maybe there was a an ulterior motive to keep people sick.
  • 11:26So I and I was publishing stuff like that, you know, and that’s all up for a matter of opinion, but from what I saw firsthand.
  • 11:35In the medical world with my mom and the unfairness. I will call it of that world I it wasn’t jiving for me on a soul level to be writing those things anymore. So there was a there was a pick on my soul that was like, ding, ding, ding, like, hey, you can’t
  • 11:49This doesn’t feel right and you care about integrity. Don’t forget that you care about integrity. Now, on, on the flip side, in my own personal selves. I was always drawn towards I guess soul centered content.
  • 12:03I called it love I called it like I was thinking more romantic love than spiritual, but I, I was always wanting to write about love and like
  • 12:11That kind of stuff. And like relationships and things like that, but um I so I was doing that on the side as well. I was writing for literary magazines and things like that.
  • user avatarbrandon handley12:21That’s fun. That’s fun. But I’ll tell you what I can. I know what you’re talking about with that little prick in the soul resonates with me real hard. I was in the insurance industry.
  • 12:32For a little bit. Right. And I was like, well, you know, you would you do demographics and you would do.
  • 12:40Do a risk assessment on the group as a whole. Right. And there’s a sick person or two in there.
  • 12:45You’re rich got jacked up with this doesn’t make much sense you know these people need the insurance. We’re going to raise the rates on them because they need it because they are sick because they are going to use it.
  • 12:53Or industry codes right same thing happens with industry codes. If they’re in of, you know, riskier business type
  • 13:00Their insurance rates are going to go up because they’ve got the they’re going to get the most well this person’s gone in here. So we’re gonna have to race, the race to cover that. So, um, I left, I left.
  • 13:10For very same thing. I was like, for a couple reasons. Actually, one was because of that soul prick right to was because and nothing wrong with people getting off on work every day you know into an office, but I couldn’t stand it. I was in my 20s and watching people that were zombies.
  • 13:27Right. What are these these these a tweet covered offices, you know, walk right. I was like, I was like, if this is gonna be my toys.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides13:35Yep. Oh, I completely relate to that. Yeah. I mean, look at me, I’m like,
  • 13:40There’s no way I can sit in an office. I mean,
  • 13:42I gave it my go you know I gave it my best go but somehow every job i got i ended up
  • 13:48And again, I told you this before. My mom was German. So I was raised with good work ethic. I know how to work hard and so I’d like work hard, prove myself, and then I’d be like, Listen, I gotta start working from home like this isn’t working for me.
  • 13:59You know, and somehow I always talk them into it. I guess that’s a skill I have but
  • 14:04But yeah, I wasn’t meant for that either. I totally hear what you’re saying and you know that that unfairness. As I said in that you as you just so eloquently described in the insurance industry. It goes, it goes in every, you know, it’s like in the banking industry like
  • user avatarbrandon handley14:17Somebody who
  • user avatarSpirit Guides14:17More like living paycheck to paycheck has to pay the fee to like have a bank account and then you know somebody who has loads of money doesn’t have to pay a fee doesn’t make sense that
  • user avatarbrandon handley14:28You know, you know it does. In the end, right, like, but you know we’re not going to get into it. Right.
  • 14:34But it’s like, Come on, man. Um, so, so you’re writing for like medical journals and all this other stuff. You have this kind of bent
  • 14:45You go through this and they jump into the spirituality, his face. I want to want to share with kind of
  • 14:51Peoples. And what was it like for you to begin to lead with spirituality. After what you’ve been doing your entire life and the Jeff overcoming fears deal with anybody was like, What are you thinking that type of thing.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides15:05Oh, big time. Yeah. As far as overcoming fears. So I’ll just say a couple things I had the idea for spirit guides
  • 15:14In my head tagline AND EVERYTHING FOR YEARS. YEARS. YEARS. YEARS BEFORE. My mom passed away years I knew I wanted to do it and not even that I wanted to. It was like it was just implanted in my mind my spirits like you’re gonna you’re going to need to do this.
  • 15:28And I started to get worried when the because i’m a i’m an idea person. So I get lots of ideas. I was starting to get worried when the idea didn’t go away because
  • 15:35It doesn’t go away. Dang, it’s meant for you, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley15:38So,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides15:39But I was too scared I was making pretty good money to be creative, you know, who am I to do this. And also, like I mentioned, I’m in the spiritual closet. Okay, I’m a party girl.
  • 15:50On one on one hand, and then I’m a spiritual girl when I go home like it. I did not have spiritual friends. You know what I’m saying.
  • 15:58So there’s a lot of fears to overcome. But again, when I got that asked my ass kicked by grief and loss and seeing death firsthand. It was like, all right, you got to live your life and you got to do this. So I basically like
  • 16:13I just kind of like came out of the closet and like didn’t like I didn’t even make a thing of it like I just was like one day I owned a spiritual media company.
  • 16:22And, you know, some people were like, what are you getting up to these days, you know, but it was it was a leap that I took private privately and probably shocked. Some people when I did it, but I didn’t want to go around having to explain myself to a bunch of people so
  • user avatarbrandon handley16:37That makes a lot of sense. Um, and you’re a lot of different types of coaching business Christians question spiritual around to like you know don’t have to go share your ideas with others. I’m just go do it right again. Good.
  • 16:51And that was
  • user avatarSpirit Guides16:51That was what I chose to do in that moment, because it honestly it made the most sense.
  • user avatarbrandon handley16:56Of it and then so
  • 16:59You start, you know, I don’t know how somebody just goes to earning a
  • 17:04media company, right. So what was that process like did you have to get investors or she is fired off like
  • 17:10On to the Instagram bit or did you find some people to back you, that type of thing.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides17:15Now it was completely driven by spirit. And again, I was in surrender mode by that point. So I was like,
  • 17:22I had an arrangement with spirit is like if you want me to do it. You got to bring it to me because I’m not going to go around.
  • 17:28Chasing after all this stuff. So I’m very fortunate that my brother and business partner is a tech developer. So I had that
  • 17:37And I basically called up one of my friends who was a another co founder who became another co founder with us, who I knew was into spirituality and could handle you know some of the things like social media all this stuff. And we just got together as a trio and and literally it was
  • 17:54You know, like guerrilla style startup and
  • 17:58And now the third party left, and it’s just me and my brother and we’re still we’re still running it in that way. And I like that way. I mean, I wish I could sit here and tell you that I had some
  • 18:08Big plan, you know, I, my German mom would have wanted me to have a better laid out plan. But I went with it. You know, I just, we just started on Instagram and started hyping it up because that’s where all the kids were and we were trying to, you know,
  • 18:24That’s where the kids Billy says where they used to hang out with. So that’s where we were talking to, at that time, and
  • 18:30We started to get a following. And then we just launched and and honestly all all I had in mind was to launch a digital magazine.
  • 18:39And because I was a writer. That’s all I wanted. You know, and I eventually wanted to write books and stuff. But from that is like all this stuff because I made that arrangement with spirit.
  • 18:48Now I’m like podcast Aston radio station and festival. All these things were like, not my ideas are now they’ve overrun the thing. So now it’s like it’s got a mind of its own.
  • user avatarbrandon handley19:00Reminds me of the Michael singer. Yeah, sort of experiment right um
  • 19:07So talk about what is surrender.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides19:11What is surrender mode. Well, I think there’s two kinds of surrender mode. There’s a surrender mode where we think we’re surrendering
  • 19:19Where we say we’re surrendering which was me a lot. I mean, I was
  • 19:23I’ve always been drawn towards spiritual and esoteric stuff so I knew I was writing before my mom that I was writing you know happiness is surrender. That’s where you find happiness, but I wasn’t doing it.
  • 19:34I wasn’t doing it fully. And I only realized that when I did it fully in that was when I had to when I had to fall to my knees.
  • 19:43Because there was nothing else there and, you know, Marianne Williamson, I’m probably going to butcher the, quote, but she says something along the lines of
  • 19:51There’s a certain desperation that’s required before you’re ready to face God and something like that. And that’s how I felt. And so to me, that is surrender mode where it’s
  • 20:02I am here to serve.
  • 20:05Your like basically I’m using my free will to serve your will spirit.
  • 20:12So it’s
  • 20:13To me, that’s true. Surrender mode, not just like, Oh, it’s okay. Let it go. That bad thing, you know, but actually surrendering to a will, that’s greater than your own that’s greater than your own ego as well and showing up for it every day reliably
  • user avatarbrandon handley20:29How do you show up for every day, right, like so. I get it. I love this. I love that. I love the idea of
  • 20:36You know surrender. And it’s really kind of how we started the podcast right now less fear talk through you to the listener. Right. And then that Phoenix between now and then there’s a. It’s kind of like the let go and let God right
  • 20:50Right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley20:51But to actually, you know, to say it’s one thing
  • user avatarSpirit Guides20:54How to do it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley20:55How to do it without freaking out, man. Right, without freaking out because
  • user avatarSpirit Guides21:00I never said I didn’t freak out.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:03I love it. So, um,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides21:04But I will say this, I will say this. I mean I I wake up every morning and I meditate and I pray, basically I do that combo and and part of my prayer in my meditation is to say
  • 21:19You know, use me how you want to use me today.
  • 21:22And so that’s a way for me that’s like a action point for me every morning to state my intention which matters a lot that I’m here to be used for spirits will basically. And so whatever shows up for me that day.
  • 21:38I’m going to do it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley21:40Yeah assessments. Nice. Right. Um, and then the other part two is
  • 21:50Just the idea that these things keep opening up for you. And I mentioned kind of the surrender experiment from
  • 21:56Michael singer. And the reason I mention it because once you kind of open yourself up to it to be used to be used in service through this universal power.
  • 22:05And I love how you said you know I’m not going for it. It’s going to have to come to me right
  • 22:11You said you know what you want. This is what I want. But you know what, I surrender for you to show me the way type of thing, you know, talk a little bit about that because I think that that’s
  • 22:21That’s very important. Right. I’m a big fan of the idea is like its first of all, most people won’t like you said, you know what you want it right you know what you want to do you want to be a writer.
  • 22:31You wanted to start this media company and dig into it, but you didn’t know how, but now you got it. Is it fair to say
  • user avatarSpirit Guides22:39Yeah, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley22:40And so this is the point that I’m trying to drive home is that you don’t have to know how, but you do have to make the decision that that’s what you want a life and that’s what I feel like you’ve done
  • user avatarSpirit Guides22:51Right. But I agree with you. You don’t have to know how I am living proof of that. You do have to know what what I will say is that asked
  • 23:00For what, when I sit in prayer and meditation every day. I mean, I feel like that’s a crucial point
  • 23:07Because we’re
  • 23:09I had to. I had to. I didn’t know that I always wanted to be a writer because I have that God given skill.
  • 23:16You know, so that’s a, that’s a natural way for me to go but
  • 23:22I didn’t know. I didn’t even know what necessarily either. I had to listen in meditation, like I didn’t know that I was going to start a media company.
  • 23:30Or a you know that I was gonna, I didn’t even know was going to do a podcast. I didn’t know the podcast was going to turn into a an internet radio station. I’ve got those downloads and meditation and prayer. You know what I’m saying.
  • 23:42So, but, and I will, I will circle back to the one thing that I did know is I knew I wanted to be a writer, and I knew that starting this digital magazine basically
  • 23:53would grant, grant me a following. And I knew that in the publishing world today because I had been told this by writers by published writers that you have to have a following to even get looked at basically
  • 24:04Well, and the magic numbers like 10,000, you know. So what we hit 10,000 and then it just kept expanding and expanding and expanding and I was so damn busy. Next thing you know, we’re at 50,000 followers and I’m saying to spirit, listen.
  • 24:20I still haven’t written the book actually haven’t even written
  • 24:23So I’m not going to go around chasing a book deal if you want me to write a book you bring it to me. Now that sounds absurd.
  • 24:29But three months later I had an email in my inbox, saying, hey, we have this book. It’s already sold to this major publisher and we think you’re great to write it, do you, what do you think
  • user avatarbrandon handley24:40So they have the concept of the book.
  • 24:42Yeah works on a writer and they needed a writer.
  • 24:45And you read it. Yeah.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides24:47And that’s the thing these days, they already sell the concept of books, but you know now that sets me up to write the book that I want to write to write the books that I really want to write, you know what I’m saying. So
  • 24:56It’s a pause for a second, though, because you know
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:00There’s also the again.
  • 25:04There’s, there’s the idea of, you know, feeling a little bit of a law of attraction space, making the demand was fear, right, or like the idea of you asking it is given and just let it come to you.
  • 25:17Right right hand to me right if I’m coming from a law of attraction space. I’m like, Hey, I’m here, how to end up here. You’re living example of this right and or of
  • 25:28Trusting the universe is another right as like your benefactor, you’re like hey universe. This is what I like. You can just go ahead and have that show up. I’m not going to go chasing it
  • 25:40But then it shows up, and you’re like, Well, what’s next.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides25:43Right. And that, that means that means it’s for you because you you can go out there and say hey universe. This is what I want.
  • 25:52I’m not going to chase it bring it to me and you’re not, you might not get it.
  • 25:57Because it’s not meant for you.
  • user avatarbrandon handley25:58And that’s great too. Right. Like I make the lines of, you know, if I would have had a lot of money. When I was younger, or like an open like have liked it. Like, I felt like I wanted, I probably would have died.
  • 26:11Like, I mean, right, it would have been a bad. So the universe is like no
  • 26:16No, no bad idea, right, you’re not ready for that. Sorry.
  • 26:20Yeah, and or we don’t want you right now, right, you’ve got more things to do. And that’s, that’s another thing that I kind of look at this as like if you made it this far in your life and like you’re
  • 26:28Still kind of wandering around. I like you know for the for the person that is
  • 26:33So meaningful life, you know, perhaps there is and you know you guys start figuring that out because there’s no reason for you still be here.
  • 26:40One 400 what a trillion to be born and make it through like not get hit by a car or a bus eaten all that crazy crappy thing that G and just in some of whatever we know what you’re doing out there. Right. But you’ve lived
  • 26:52And and and and so you’ve got a purpose and to live it. So one of the purposes that you found is by going through, you know, kind of hitting this rock bottom right, I want to just
  • 27:03dive off dependency the grief coach and afterlife expert aspect of it because we haven’t yet. Um, let’s talk about how you ends up even there.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides27:12Sure. I mean, it’s kind of a wild story, um,
  • 27:17Because I, I didn’t want to end up there that wasn’t I joke. I never thought in my life. I want to be a grief and afterlife expert.
  • 27:26Can can promise you that. But, you know, after my mom passed away. And after I did the really hardcore grieving for for a while.
  • 27:36I just, I think, you know, I had already started spirit guides and I was like, you know,
  • 27:41Like, I want to go train to be a grief coach and it just kind of came to me and I was like, all right, I’ll start looking into programs and I did and I found one. And I went and I liked it and i and i just got trained. You know, I just did it, but
  • 27:55But, and I wasn’t even
  • 27:57I didn’t even know what I was going to do with it. I just felt intuitively intuitively nudge there. So I did it. And then shortly very shortly after I had a medium ship reading
  • 28:09And the medium. Then in the middle, in the middle of it. She’s like, and she’s a very, very, I had to wait a year to get a meeting with her. She’s a very, very popular medium and
  • 28:23In the middle of that she’s like, What are you doing, I need to
  • 28:27And she’s like, I’m so I’m not gonna take up your time of your reading. But after this. I need to talk to you what you’re doing. Like my spirit guides are telling me I need to talk to you.
  • 28:34So we end up having a chat and she’s like, Oh, I told her about spirit guides, like I’ve been trying to reach younger people, and she’s like you and then a week later I got an email from her. And she said, I want to invite you to be to speak at this afterlife conference.
  • 28:49And I was like,
  • 28:51I’m not
  • 28:54Know that, like, I’m not qualified to be here and she wrote back, I’ll never forget it. And she’s like, Arizona, my dear, I have been told that you are going to be a very profound afterlife researcher and you need to be at this event. And I was like, what
  • 29:07So I went to this event to and I sat on a panel talking about spirituality, like in younger generations and my mind blew way open because I didn’t know much about the afterlife, other than
  • 29:21My mom had died. I hope she was still alive and I went to a medium to find out, you know,
  • 29:26So I guess the, the, that’s the long answer. The short answer is, like, Spirit just drove me there and And ever since that first conference, it was just so obvious that that’s what I was going to be doing that I had a place in that world for whatever reason.
  • user avatarbrandon handley29:43So along with being a CEO media company you’re also doing like this grief coach. Is that right,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides29:51Yeah, you know, and you know, I hadn’t dove into the coaching part as much as I wanted to. Originally, just because I have been so busy now with
  • 30:03And and people grieving everything because grief, you know, grief, there’s a misconception. That’s grief, just for
  • 30:11a loved one who’s passed away grief is for any change dramatic change in your world, which we are collectively experiencing like all of the changes right now, so I am
  • 30:24Drawing more back into that coaching aspect and I’m starting to get some things lined up in that way because I think it’s so important and and I’ve been basically advised by all of my spiritual advisors that that’s something that I need to get going on right now too, so
  • user avatarbrandon handley30:40I love it. Right. So just a little bit about what it means right to
  • 30:45Examine death and use this kind of as a catalyst to live our riches, the most meaningful lives.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides30:53Sure. So what people don’t know is that there’s so much afterlife research out there.
  • 30:59It’s not mainstream so we don’t hear about it or you know it’s not it’s doesn’t get MAJOR FUNDING so we don’t hear about it, but there’s so much independent afterlife research outfit out there and there’s so much documentation that to me proves that consciousness exists beyond
  • 31:18beyond physical death right i totally spaced out your question, though. I’m gonna go go off on a tangent
  • 31:24Oh,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides31:27I get into my afterlife brain. And I’m like, Okay.
  • user avatarbrandon handley31:30So before I let you go into the next piece of what would it so somebody wants to go buy some information for themselves in the afterlife research. Where’s the first place that you would direct them.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides31:43So there’s an. There’s an organization called the afterlife. Research and Education Institute AR e AI and they are great starting off point.
  • 31:53I feel bad because I didn’t fully answer your last question, but my mind.
  • user avatarbrandon handley31:56Told me
  • user avatarSpirit Guides31:58But, uh, anyway. So that’s a great place to start off at
  • 32:02And they, you know, they are doing research, their funding researchers, all kinds of stuff and and they’re just signing up on their newsletter. There’s also
  • 32:11There’s a newsletter that is run by a couple in Australia. That’s really famous. It’s called the Friday afterlife report and every Friday, they send out a newsletter of all this afterlife research that’s either
  • 32:23From the past or that’s come up in the past week there’s tons of it out there. So those are the two places I would start the afterlife report. It’s with Victor and Wendy’s dammit, and then AR e AI afterlife. Research and Education Institute or
  • user avatarbrandon handley32:38So the question we had was, um, how’s examining death. And what happened was the absolute best way to move on.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides32:48So, yes, yes, yes, yes. See, now that’s a very important question. That’s why I was having a hard time letting it go. Um, it’s so important because of all the research that’s out there, which is what I was getting into.
  • 33:02It proves beyond a shadow of a doubt in my mind, from what I’ve seen. And what I’ve learned and what I’ve experienced and what I’ve researched that
  • 33:10our physical bodies dies die, but our souls. Do not that we continue to live in the afterlife. Okay, so with that being said, the information that our loved ones that spirit guides
  • 33:23That
  • user avatarSpirit Guides33:25That arc angels, all of these beings and entities that are in on the other side, the information that can be channeled through them is so vital.
  • 33:37To how we live our best lives. So it’s, it’s an interesting paradox because we don’t tend to think about death or the afterlife until we’re faced with it because we’re so busy thinking about life and
  • 33:47How we can live our best lives, but from what I’ve learned is that we can learn a lot about living our best lives from that wisdom that comes through the other side.
  • 34:00And it’s a shame that people I feel it’s a shame that people my age don’t get to do that very often because I’m the youngest one at these events. Okay, like
  • 34:09I still don’t know many people that have lost their primary you know parent or something like that, that in my age group, and my peer group so they feel like they are
  • 34:19getting robbed of that wisdom because they’re not going to go looking into the death or the afterlife. So I do kind of feel like
  • 34:26It’s my job to sort of bridge that gap because there’s so much knowledge about how we can best live our lives that comes from looking at those more taboo topics.
  • user avatarbrandon handley34:37You know what’s funny to me is just this morning I was listening to a song, ya know which one I listened to so many um I got a Swami the chain. I’m the
  • 34:49But the idea is that, like, there’s one in 1000 that’s capable of kind of taking this information right that the what you got. Right, so
  • 35:00You’re kind of the light is lighting all those around you, as it were, with what you do. So I think that that’s kind of the challenge, no matter what age group is
  • 35:09Right when you when you kind of stumble across this you know it’s like you’re saying you’re like everybody needs to know that you can live this magnificent way. Let’s follow me. We’re gonna sneak in and and
  • 35:20Rightfully nobody’s like I was like, no.
  • 35:23Um, but what I want to hit on though is that, you know, when you experienced this grief when you experienced though your mother’s passing
  • 35:36I guess like ripping the veil right between you and the spirit world and
  • 35:42Would you, would you explain it like that. Would you describe it like that. And would you
  • 35:47Would you describe your experience with trying to share this information with other people is being challenging and not being able to accept it.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides35:56Um,
  • 35:59Yeah there it was totally an unveiling will say brought me so much closer. I mean, it was even the night, my mom passed away I her apparition came to me and I was awake, like, and she came and hugged me so the veil yeah it thinned an immensely immediately.
  • 36:20Has the information been hard for me to get out and for people to accept.
  • 36:27I want the answer to be that it’s been really difficult. Like for dramatic effect, but it hasn’t it hasn’t. And I think that’s because
  • 36:37I’m attracting the people that want it. I’m not, I’m not trying to go out there and be a missionary or
  • 36:44Or an evangelical about anything, you know, and I have zero religious ties or affiliation, which is interesting with afterlife. I mean, every, every
  • 36:53Every serious spiritual or I’m sorry, every spirit serious religion has believed in the afterlife and has after life.
  • 37:01Philosophy and I think that, you know, obviously, a lot of people thrown out religion in their lives. And I think that was kind of like we threw the baby out with the bathwater, kind of thing.
  • 37:10So I’m not, I’m not attached to any religion or anything like that. So I don’t think that I come off as missionary. I just think I, I tried to share my authentic experience and people who are looking for.
  • 37:23Some answers to their own grief. They find me and it’s so far the. The result has been one of comforting for them, rather than
  • 37:34You know, combative or I don’t believe what you’re saying. So I maybe I’m fortunate in that but you know it hasn’t it hasn’t been too difficult. It’s actually been very rewarding. I think
  • user avatarbrandon handley37:44I can see that, especially online. What about a person
  • user avatarSpirit Guides37:48Well in person. It’s like I’m
  • 37:49Preaching the choir, you know, I’m going to
  • 37:52But I will say this, I will say, even in my because I told you about my history as a, you know, being in the spiritual closet and everything, even the people in my life who like my family who’s known me forever and
  • 38:02You know weren’t into these things at all. They just by osmosis have
  • 38:07By coming to my events by hearing my podcast, things like that. And now they’re there, you know, exploring their own stuff and their own afterlife. And now they’ve
  • 38:16Had certain people passed away and they’re reaching out to mediums and investigating like oh yeah I remember Arizona said this, so let me invest it on my own. So it’s kind of like planting the seeds, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley38:27Not 100% i think that what you’ve done is, is by your by leading by example you’ve given them permission. Right.
  • 38:33Yeah, showing them that you can step into the space without going on claims.
  • 38:39Right, right. That is a good that it can be a good thing. Um, I like that you kind of touched on, you know, kind of these religions and throwing the baby out with the bathwater, and
  • 38:51As far as I can tell right religions are kind of like this.
  • 38:56Again, just like one of the thousands going to kind of understand this information right and then my kind of wants to do this just the whole
  • 39:03You know, when the student is ready, the teacher will appear right and then does you like Panda hated that lines real
  • 39:11Quick. Um, but the thing. And I think that’s the attraction of some of the Eastern philosophies right because they’ve been so the console like
  • 39:19Christianity bad, you know, the pope did this and you know those priests did that and all these things so that like they just won’t accept it, even though, like the exact same thing as being in 99% of the same
  • 39:30thing over here and like these Eastern religions and they’re all if you got a contract is out, man. Look what I found, like
  • 39:36You know, so I think that it really gives us people the opportunity to framework right for for their space.
  • 39:43And for everybody else is kind of rejected if there’s people like yourself, and I don’t like, well, there’s this other space. We can hang out into what’s been said and all these other places, but you just want to have this different same conversation. Let’s do it.
  • 39:54Right, right, right. Um,
  • 39:56Let’s talk about
  • 39:57The fest coming up. So this is podcast, I’m probably you know this weekend, which will I know the dates are like 928 or something like that.
  • 40:09But you know what’s the festival. Let’s talk about what you got a
  • user avatarSpirit Guides40:12Spiritual
  • user avatarbrandon handley40:13On 2020
  • user avatarSpirit Guides40:14Cool. Yeah. So it’s the conscious spirit fest. It’s a collaboration between myself.
  • 40:20And my company spirit guides media and Mona Loring and her company conscious living PR and so it’s conscious spirit fest. It’s on October 10 or no, it’s not. It’s on October 18 I was thinking 10 for October is on October 18 2020
  • 40:36It’s a Sunday, and it’s basically it’s an all day online virtual festival, because that’s what we’re doing now virtual all day long and
  • 40:45We’re so excited about it. We basically curated the event that we wanted to have right now.
  • 40:51You know we are lonely and isolated and we do need spiritual community, one way or another right now. And so we wanted to build something for people to
  • 41:02Unite and people who who are want to focus on Unity right now in this crazy polarized role. And so we’ve. We have everything from yoga in the morning to guided meditations to sound healing to breath work. And then we have amazing speakers that are talking about everything from
  • 41:21How to deal with this pandemic burnout to energy protection for light workers, we’re going to have a medium come and do live medium ship readings and we our keynote speaker is column Adele, who’s an astrologer, and he’s going to be talking about
  • 41:38You know the astrology coming up, you know, for 20 2021 and all that. And in astrology in these uncertain times and what what what we might have to look forward to, you know, the good, the bad, and the ugly or whatever.
  • 41:51So, so, yeah. It’s basically a day for everybody to come together and do all things mystical and create a spiritual community and
  • 41:58And hang out together. So we’re really, really excited about it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:02Now this sounds exciting. Like I said, you know, I think I saw Mona’s paying off on Instagram. I saw start following it, and it seems like you know
  • 42:10I love what you guys are putting together their talk to me a little bit about the astrologer, I think he’s got like a little bit of a baton. What’s his What’s his
  • user avatarSpirit Guides42:17So called Collins handle on Instagram is queer cosmos. And so he has he’s he’s and he is
  • 42:24He’s an amazing gay man and he started doing astrology for the queer community and which is was novel at the time, you know, and but more than that. I mean, he is
  • 42:35He’s one of my favorite guests have on my podcast. I’ll say that right now. He’s so enjoyable. He’s brilliant. I mean IQ off the charts and he’s he’s so fun. So anytime that he’s around. It’s a good time. And I definitely recommend following him on Instagram at clear cosmos. He’s great.
  • user avatarbrandon handley42:55So yeah, I remember that you’re seeing them and chocolate.
  • 42:59Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley43:00Funny Guy when I grew up. I grew up, like in the gay community, you know, was out in San Francisco, San Francisco in the 80s right and and the one thing that happened out there was like my mom was an altercation with
  • 43:16Her significant other, at the time, and he ended up by children and stuff. And so I ran across it, you know, the neighborhood and got these guys on the bed and they came. I can’t rescue my mom so
  • 43:28Oh wow, for the rest of my life, you know, gay guys have a
  • 43:30Have a soft spot in my heart. Right. And it’s just been in that community. It’s, it’s fun, right. Like, I mean,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides43:36Oh, there’s no doubt about that.
  • user avatarbrandon handley43:37So it’s always a good time.
  • 43:39See on
  • 43:40Where, you know, should I send people to come check out more actually know what before I do that,
  • 43:45I’ve done this for a minute, just because you know so the idea to have spiritual though.
  • 43:48Is that you get this kind of you for high thru spirituality. Right. And that’s like on the on the take us a spiritual dope is about that and then like
  • 43:58You know, what’s your spiritual hit right like and it talks about meditation, but when you when you’re connected to source where, what does that look like
  • user avatarSpirit Guides44:08Whoo. Yeah, there’s, there’s two for me. So definitely meditation. I’m a avid meditation or
  • 44:15But their original Oh gee, writing, man. That’s my space. That’s my timelessness, that’s the
  • 44:20One place where I don’t care if I haven’t eaten and that’s saying a lot. I love to eat. You know what I’m saying. Like that’s that’s the time where time flies and I just
  • 44:30I’m in so much joy and I’m so inspired. I’m in spirit. You know that’s that’s where it is for me is when I’m writing. And so this man I’m preaching to myself right now. I got to clear it more time in my schedule to do it.
  • 44:43But yeah, that’s my spiritual dope for sure is is being in that creative zone.
  • 44:50I love that question.
  • user avatarbrandon handley44:52Thank you. So the idea that too is like i mean i would i would i would say that
  • 45:00You know, create you are creators right
  • 45:03Yeah. And then when you surrender to that creativity. That’s
  • 45:08within you, right, that is source flowing through you. Is that fair to say
  • user avatarSpirit Guides45:13Oh yeah 100%. I mean, we would we call God the Creator. And if you look at metaphysical principles as above, so below. We are here to create
  • 45:26You know, and that’s why that nine to five working somebody else’s dream and fluorescent lit room didn’t work for me because I felt that called to be creative. I felt, what am I doing here, if I’m not creating
  • user avatarbrandon handley45:37Something
  • user avatarSpirit Guides45:38And now you can be creative, creative doesn’t mean writing or painting all the time, creative can mean coming up with a scientific cure for cancer or whatever, you know, using your creative brain. You’re in passionate about it. And so I absolutely agree with you.
  • user avatarbrandon handley45:52I love that you hit on life because
  • 45:55People don’t always recognize that they feel like creativity has to be writing painting singing, dancing.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides46:02Brain, the arts.
  • user avatarbrandon handley46:03The classical arts
  • 46:05Yeah, right. But
  • 46:08And I know as somebody one day.
  • 46:11You just got it. What is it that you’d like to create and I’m like, Well, I’m not very creative like
  • 46:14You know you’re raising kids are doing this that the other than your training things right, you’re making moments, you’re creating moments I mean creativity is more than, you know, put a pretty picture right so I love that you hit on that. Thanks for hanging on that.
  • 46:29Yeah, what type of meditation do you do it, you
  • user avatarSpirit Guides46:34Got just you didn’t do not asked me that question.
  • 46:37I am I am not.
  • 46:39Trained in meditation at all. I’m self taught and
  • 46:44For whatever reason, I’m pretty good at it. I just I lay down you can see my bed back there. I lay down horizontally. I don’t sit in lotus position or anything I lay down on my bed.
  • 46:54I play some Native American flute music and I go in
  • 46:57Los
  • user avatarbrandon handley46:59That’s great to write in terms of meditation or a feeling it’s got to be done a certain way or like, yeah, I did a really shitty meditation this morning.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides47:09I i think
  • 47:11I think I you know it’s the keep it simple, stupid like that’s that’s been my philosophy for
  • 47:17My spiritual path and it’s what’s worked out for me. Like I and I you know in my company I’ve seen it all. I promote people that do it all. I’m talking like all the all the modalities and the
  • 47:29Divination tactics and all this stuff and I’m Oh gee prayer and meditation and you know we all just got to do what works for us.
  • user avatarbrandon handley47:38To so they
  • 47:40Just show us what your prayer. Looks like I always say this because I think of this Norman Vincent feel kind of skip
  • 47:49It’s not as good. It’s like when he’s doing his own in power positive thinking thing.
  • 47:53And talks about this lady testing because you when you pray you don’t like out there like a beggar.
  • 47:59You know, you’re like oh please give me all these things would you like you demand you know much very somewhere, come what you’re talking about, like,
  • 48:07I’m not going after it. It’s got to come to me like these are things I want you know. So what’s your, what’s your prayer look like. Just out of curiosity,
  • user avatarSpirit Guides48:13Yeah, I mean it’s it. That is a good point it start, the only it starts always with gratitude.
  • 48:20Always with gratitude and and then I do go into my demands. I do feeling that I’ve, I’ve had the shift from beggar to
  • 48:30You know, this is, this is what I this is what is going to be brought to me and I, and I’ve learned that over time through spiritual mentors, saying, you know, you
  • 48:38This is yours for the taking. You can you demand that so I start with gratitude and and I pray for you know what I need. In most of the time that’s to take away my
  • 48:50Worries and stresses and concerns because that’s the only thing in my way. So I do pray for that to be taken and I pray for the people that I love and I pray that
  • 49:02You know that love walks before me wherever I go. And then I pray to be used, how spirit needs me. And then I say, thank you.
  • 49:11Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley49:12Um, this will be like my last question.
  • 49:17So when you. I like the idea of writing when you write
  • 49:24With a pen in hand right or doesn’t have to be. But I feel like that’s what I’m most connected. I like to call it cosmic record player. This is my cosmic needle right
  • 49:36You know, do you have a preference of writing by hand or typing.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides49:41I’m
  • 49:43I’m right differently. I write, I write both ways. And I write for different reasons I I write. I typically write
  • 49:52Pen in Hand in my journal when I’m writing for myself and nobody else if that makes sense. And for my own clarity and my own as you say connection.
  • 50:03But it’s all about the computer for everything else.
  • 50:07My hand hurts too much.
  • user avatarbrandon handley50:10Out of out of curiosity, right, like yourself. Once
  • user avatarSpirit Guides50:13I do agree with you though there’s there’s different
  • 50:16A whole different vibe. When you got the pen in your hand. Right, right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley50:20Now, and look, I mean, it takes a lot to to write Tom by paper.
  • 50:27Pretty fast, man.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides50:28Yeah, exactly.
  • user avatarbrandon handley50:31Okay, so where we’re gonna need to go a couple places or warm place. So we’re gonna go to find you and the spirit fast.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides50:39Sure, I’m okay. Ultimately, you can go to spirit guides media.com for everything that I do. And on top of the navigation.
  • 50:48At spirit guides media com you will see a link that says festival and that is where you can learn more about it. You can see the lineup. The full lineup. I didn’t touch on everything.
  • 50:58And also purchase tickets and we are offering a sliding scale pay what you can because times are tough and that is
  • 51:05I feel the responsible thing to do. So we have that offered and other than that, you can find me on instagram at spirit guides media or my personal one is at underscore Arizona bell. I think that covers everything
  • user avatarbrandon handley51:20No.
  • 51:22Um, well, this event view digitally after the past
  • user avatarSpirit Guides51:28Great question. Can’t believe I forgot to say that. Absolutely. So if you are able to catch none of it live or half of it live or all of it live and want to watch it again. We will send out a replay of the entire day video. So you’ll get to see it all.
  • user avatarbrandon handley51:43Awesome, Arizona. Thank you so much for stopping by.
  • user avatarSpirit Guides51:45Thanks, Brandon. It’s been a joy and a pleasure.

Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on Spiritual Dope? We’ll do. Brandon Handley here and I’m bringing you the best podcast on spirituality in 2020. You know, here’s here’s something that somebody brought up to me recently and he was bringing up, um, you know, his spirituality, his spirituality going mainstream in 2020. And from my vantage point, I’m not sure about yours. Everywhere I look, I spot spirituality. How how’s reading the back of us reading the back of this book, the ultimate sales machine by Chet Holmes and I was able to find, you know, spiritual pieces in that. And you know, everywhere that I look, I’m able to find something’s spiritual inside of it. My current workplace is is very spiritual, they run they run multibillion dollar company, and then then they’ve gone over and increase it a book about, you know, working, you know, from from a biblical standpoint. And then you know that this is a company that where I work, they’ve also got, they have prayer time, you know, they have, you know, they have community prayer where they pull everybody together, they’ve got other items like pulling yoga together, and there’s all kinds of kind of togetherness. And I think that it comes from a spiritual sense, and really connecting everybody. But I came across and so for me, I see it everywhere, right? So I see it everywhere. And I was beginning to wonder, Hey, is this just is this just me right? Is it just because I’m in this place? That I see spirituality everywhere I go. And while I’ve been thinking that here comes across my desktop, an article that said, you know, talks about workplace spiritual consultants. It’s like holy shit. You mean to tell me there’s jobs out there now? Right? That go in to companies and, and they are their spiritual consultants, right? So what this company what these companies do is they come and they help to bring a sense of alignment, you know, with the divine guidance and belonging that was once upon a time, you know, just in coming from religious organizations, but now, they’re trying to promote mindfulness and intention at the workplace. And really try to make again, even these most routine task meaningful and soulful, right, how can you make your job and your work day, kind of a spiritual practice and You know, this article these guys are pissed off, right? And it says, you know, these consultancy organizations are saying, hey, you just invented the occult, right? Well, listen, every workplace everywhere you go, has it there’s always there’s some type of cult, you know, cults is short for the word, you know, culture, what you’re going to find inside of that group their practices and the way that they are. So, you know, to, to get, you know kind of pissy about it is one thing, and I really think that’s actually very, very poor. Import tastes at this, you know, these guys are getting frustrated. I’m super excited because now here we go. We find out that there’s a company like ritualist and ritual Design Lab, and a whole bunch of freelance consultants that are out there that are out there. helping to bring meaning into the workplace. And, you know, that’s exactly that’s exactly what I’ve been doing here. Now, do I take a front to it? Because, you know, these guys are pissed off about it and they feel like, you know, just trying to make a buck out of it. Or, you know, kind of taking out everything that’s pure about it. I don’t know, you know, I can’t I can’t speak to what some of these these other companies are doing. You know? soulcycle right. What is this a lot of money to be more like soulcycle right and environment, talking about? You know, talking about what is it Here we go, just pulling out all of God’s good graces in your workplace. Right. And then this in this article today says, Hey, our jobs are not supposed to bring us enlightenment. They’re supposed to bring us money and stolen office supplies.

And I feel like that’s, that’s You know, that’s a little bit too much, right? Because for me again, this is where I find the challenges in my life. And sometimes my day, right? I’m like, Where’s the meaning in it. And according to David graeber, he says that 40% of us feel like our jobs are meaningless. And this is where you can take in, you know, how you’re feeling about like the universe and you can look for that connection. You can create that connection so that when you wake up, and you go to job, your job, you have, you have the ability to create, you always have the ability to create. And so, you know, if you’re, if you’re currently wondering whether or not you know, wherever you are, if your job can be spiritual dancers, yes. Is it trite to say, you know, you can you can make your job spiritual. Yeah, I don’t But the other thing that’s me that’s exciting well is spirituality is your gig, then how can you make money with your spirituality? Right? How can you get your own message out there, the way that I’m doing it right now with this podcast, the way that everybody else has come along on this podcast and been there, or perhaps you feel like you’ve got really awesome systems in place that you can take to the workplace, and you can help them to, you can help them to improve the workplace, by promoting mindfulness by promoting intention, getting people involved with each other and seeing each other not as competition, but as part of the whole. To me, I think that’s very exciting. And, you know, if it’s something that you’re looking for, if you’re figuring out like a way, you know, reach out to me, maybe I can introduce you to, you know, some of the people that I’ve had on the podcast, or we can talk about getting you on your own On podcasts and, you know, maybe we can even take a look at what would it look like for you to create a business where you can come over to a company and offer your services, perhaps you have the ability to create some, you know, awesome retreat, right? Maybe you’ve got something that you feel is so great, it’s going to help that workplace those people actually connect, you break through the barriers of, of the mundane break through the barriers of all that they’ve continued to do with like kind of meat without meaning, without intention without purpose, and begin to put it in there. And then you know, then you’ve got a job. Right, then you’ve got a job that you can absolutely love and you’re helping others to find meaning and purpose wherever they are. Now, if you feel like that’s if you feel like that’s lame, You know, I don’t know. Again, this person, they really said they thought that it was it was terrible, terrible that somebody was trying to bring all this in there and trying to suck up all your time and converting all this spirituality stuff into into something like another metric. But again What if it’s the opposite? What if, what if you’re able to bring again your spiritual self to work right? What if you’re able to have some of those conversations? What if you’re able to talk about meditation and mindfulness in a way that’s meaningful to you? And I think I think that you’d be really surprised to find out that that people are more open to it than you thought. Another reason why I thought this article was kind of interesting was I’m doing that exact thing. I’m doing that I’m bringing I’m bringing somebody into the workplace. That is a mindfulness Yogi. Right. And he’s, you know, got a huge background in in business and Yogi and mindfulness and meditation. And, you know, I’ve I brought it up as an idea to my supervisor and he jumped right on it because man, I think, I think that would be really interesting. Let’s do let’s give that a shot. Let’s have a team exercise like that. You know, if you can bring one thing into the workplace that’s going to help others change. Why wouldn’t you do it?

Inspiration from this article came from https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/sep/06/office-spiritual-consultants-capitalism

Join in on the conversation as Jeremy Todd from The Positive Side Podcast joins me today. We talk about what its like to find your self through the process of book writing.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, the voice of a generation. I am on with my good friend, Jeremy Todd from the positive side, you may ask yourself the positive side of what of everything. positive side of everything Jeremy Todd and I, we go way back. So you’ve got the podcast positive side, you’ve got your coaching, you know, just high level executive success coaching, that you’ve been running for years now. And I’ve loved watching you kind of grow that business and continue to grow yourself. And we’re going to talk today a little bit about leading your life from a spiritual angle and doing it so that you’re having a more fulfilling more successful life. How’s that sound to you?

Jeremy Todd 0:48
Oh, that sounds perfect. Thanks for letting me on your

Brandon Handley 0:50
show. jacked up and fired up. Yeah. Yeah, I decided that Jeremy I think was my very first podcast and and man We couldn’t GS Remember, we’re trying to figure out how to even like talk to each other. I think you had to record on your side, I had to record on my side on a child, like the cast was terrible. But the conversation was magic. And the magic continues before before we get going, right, so the first thing I like to start us off with is, you and I were conduits for you know, the creative source energy of the universe, right? And when we when we put these podcasts together, when you and I are connecting, we’re not connecting because you and I, like have a good conversation and we like each other. Yeah, it’s because some type of message it’s got to come out of this. And it’s got to come through you by being here today. What’s that message that the university Sangeeta?

Jeremy Todd 1:44
Well, for me, it’s, it’s it’s a message that I’ve been really resonated with recently. I’ve always been resonating with this message, but recently, it’s more important than ever that you know, it’s that authenticity and being comfortable with myself and really being with everybody out there. It’s, you know, the spirituality part. to even be comfortable with that. I think there’s so many obstacles in our way and so many negative things that pop up on a day to day basis in our life with craziness going on. And it takes away from who we truly are. And it takes away our message. It takes away our spiritual spirituality. And you know, I’m tired of it. I’m ready to go the other way. I’m ready to really double down on my spirituality and double down on the positivity. Yeah. Because dammit, I’m tired of the negativity. And the only way we’re going to do it is we’re going to lead from the other side. And, you know, that’s the side I want to be on. I don’t want to be on the negativity side. I want to just, you know, trust and believe in myself with thee with the powers that I have already within that, I think, and they’ve been clouded for years. They’ve been clouded in the now with the craziness. They’re even more clouded. But not anymore. Dammit, I’m tired. I’m sick and tired of this stuff. And you know, we talked briefly before this started about one of the things and again, I’m going on tangent, so I apologize but

Brandon Handley 2:54
other things as a message that somebody needs here. It’s coming through you.

Jeremy Todd 2:57
Yeah, you know, we talked about you know, I’m ready to That book and I’m not here to talk about the book, but really here I’m talking about is the exercise of writing. I’ve never done it. I’ve never wrote more than three pages in my entire life. And now that I’m actually trying to put ideas down on paper, it’s allowing me to go through this process in my head that I’ve never really been able to truly, not only just understand, but comprehend. Because things happen in my life and things happen in your life and in everyone’s life that they’re so hard for us to understand. And I try my small little brain, try and figure it out. And then you know, you lose topics, you lose organization in your own mind, because you go off on tangents, you think about other things. But as this writing process happens, and this is I guess, the biggest thing for everybody listening is write down some of those ideas. I recently had a piece of paper and pen next to my bed. So when I’m sleeping, I get an idea, boom, I write it down. But it’s just being more organized and then being able to revisit that same thought, when I will. When typically in the past, when I would have an idea. I would struggle my way through it or fight my way through it. And another Understand why is this thought in my head right now? And then I’d be done with it, I move on with it, and then it would come back. And then I wouldn’t be as clear as I am. Right. So throughout this writing process process and writing these things down that I’ve gone through in my life, it’s given me a better opportunity to understand, you know, what the meaning was, at the time in my life. Why was it brought to me at that time in my life? And what have I actually learned and where I can build from that at this point in my life? So, man, it’s just in the last few weeks, last few months, I’ve just been really magical. And you know, that’s why it just ties right into this podcast. I was excited to get on the show to really talk about these things and talk about the things that typically other people don’t want to talk about it don’t know how to talk about it, or they know how to talk about it, but they’re scared to talk about it. And I think that’s a bigger thing. How am I going to get judged? Are these Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:44
am I weird? You know, to me, this is a you know this. So first of all, thanks for sharing that message. To me. It sounds like a message of you know, trying to reacquaint yourself with yourself. Yeah, exactly. And it’s also trying to capture Those images that you create in your mind when they’re clear, and they’re vivid, and they’re fresh on a piece of paper so that at least when you come back to them, you capture the full essence of what that image was. And because those, those little flashes of insight are just so powerful. And if you don’t write them down, like you’re saying, when you come back to it, it’s a faded version of what it was when you first saw Yeah, you’re like, this doesn’t seem nearly as potent as it was, like, 45 minutes ago, right? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 5:30
exactly. Or I could completely forget about it. And then I’m like, damn it. What was that idea that I have? It’s so powerful, for sure. Now, I can’t remember it. All right,

Brandon Handley 5:38
that’s Tammy. It’s amazing. Like I’m just like little little short bursts of like, capacitor energy, like, you know, that’s the I don’t know what you know about electronics, right? But uh, so there’s little capacitor there that the energy gets stored in so that when you take a picture with the flash, right, it’s a high burst of energy in that capacitor. Okay. But then it dissipates. And it takes a while for it to fill back up.

Jeremy Todd 6:03
Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, this isn’t. And, you know, I just think that the journey that I’m on now it’s one of the most powerful and exciting journeys I’ve ever been on my entire life because this is exactly like that. It’s those ideas that I’ve never been really, really processed throughout, in my own head. And I’ve also mentioned this a lot lately is that, you know, I believe I have all the right answers already within me. But when I’m clouded by the darkness, or the negativity or just being busy, or all the other bullshit excuses, I can put in my own head and give myself away out. It just I’ve never really had the opportunity to sit down and be within myself and work my way through this and discover the answers that are right there in front of me. You know, like meditation.

Brandon Handley 6:44
You know, first of all my own throws out at you right? In this book. I love this book. It’s called a more beautiful question, right? We have been taught to have answers, right. But one thing that we haven’t really been taught well, and I haven’t been taught well, right is how to ask better questions how to ask like those. Sure, deep questions. And if we don’t ask those if we don’t if we don’t learn how to ask, we don’t learn how to kind of do that deep seeking, right? I mean, that’s part of coaching though, too, right? Like the reflective aspect of coaching. I want to I do want to lean back here for a second because you talked about being afraid to lead with like that. That’s spirituality, right with that, because that could be perceived weird. And that was really kind of something I had held myself back with. Right. And I’m super glad to hear like that, you know, you you’ve been looking for a place to have that conversation. You’ve been looking for a place to have that kind of it’s not necessarily exposed, but who can I talk to? That is going to understand where I’m coming from with this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 7:49
Hey, Brittany Haley. Absolutely. Hundred

Brandon Handley 7:51
percent. Right. Absolutely. And, and, and then like, you know, there’s zero judgment from that, too. It’s like, all right, yeah. I hear what you’re saying. And I I agree with, you know, everything you’re saying. And and the question becomes like, Okay, this is where you’re at, just like coaching, right? Where do you want to go? What do you want to do with this knowledge? You know it, right? Yeah. Now it’s, you know, that’s what you want to do. So you’re doing it through a process a book, right?

Jeremy Todd 8:18
Yeah, you know, and I think it’s also understanding and just really have the mental capacity of understanding that, and I love this quote is vulnerability. vulnerability is my strength. By being vulnerable, being who I am and being being weird and quirky, that’s my strength. And I’ve always shied away from that, like, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s maybe not what so and so thinks I am or I don’t want to get judged and all those other bullshit things that come in your head, but at the end of the day, none of that matters. And actually, the more authentic you are with yourself, the more powerful you become. And it’s taken me a long time to even understand that point of it because, gosh, I mean, all these answers that I’m thrown out there within my life, people are attracted to me more now than they’ve ever been because it is different. It’s what people have always wanted to do but they can’t they don’t have the power now they see, you know, they see you and they see me doing it. They’re like, you know what, maybe it’s okay. Yeah, those conversations are awesome to

Brandon Handley 9:08
know. It’s always awesome to you know, and I know that even when I started on the father for the rest of us podcast, I was like, Alright man, step into your power. Yeah. Right. And, and but this is so when I met Jeremy guys, ladies and girls, ladies and ladies and gentlemen, I met Jeremy in person years ago at a, you know, a podcast meetup. And one of the things that stood out to me about Jeremy was, you know, you talked about having to have 100% faith in yourself, and belief in yourself. Sounds to me and you know, I’m not trying to be judged. You’re not though it sounds to me like you kind of got disrupted with some of that, like over the past couple years, right. And that’s been something that’s kind of been eating you away, but now you’re finding kind of a Marie Newell. of this. I’ll call it you know, faith and self, you know, self belief. Is that what I’m here coming? Because I mean, you’re bringing the energy so

Jeremy Todd 10:08
well, there’s no question about it. And I think the biggest thing is, you know, it’s that old saying act as if, And hey, if I’m gonna be honest, completely honest with myself, I’ve always tried to just keep telling myself Hey, everything’s gonna be fine. If it’s gonna be good. I’m gonna be super positive, but I’ve never really dealt with the reality of what I’m actually dealing with in within my soul. So, yeah, yeah, hey, that’s me. And yes, I strive to stay motivated to stay positive. But man, it’s those darker things that I’ve never really faced in the past. And now I’m to a point in my life that I just don’t give a shit. Now. I mean, I just the more and more I self analyze myself, the better I become, and the stronger I become, and the happier I am. I’ve had this realization recently to it, and I’m doing right, a lot of writing about fear. And one of my fears was always about fear of being alone. And I really analyzed that about, you know, there’s two ways, the initial way I looked at that Was selfishly the eagle Tell me why don’t want to be by myself physically, like, like, I always want to have a partner with me. You know, I want to have a girlfriend, I want to be married, I want to have all this stuff. So I always felt like ask me, who what am I gonna do if I’m alone? I mean, how can I take care of myself? So it was all physical. Really the hard part of that one of the what I’ve really understood now is it’s not the physical part of being alone. It’s the mental part of being alone. How can I be alone with myself my own thoughts, I’ve got more time than ever now I’ve actually got to face these things. face these things that have always been right in front of me. All these things that I you know, my self doubt myself. You know, I’m critical of myself constantly. I don’t think I’m this or I don’t think I’m good enough or smart enough. So all these things now that I’ve understood that the fear of being alone wasn’t the physical part is the mental part. And now that I’m facing that part of it, it’s allowed me to grow exponentially. Because as I go through these things, I become happier with myself. I’m becoming my own best friend. Sure. And I think That’s so powerful that you know we always and again this is me, I always thought I had to have that person Sure. Instead of understanding that I’m good enough and I can be my best friend and that was

Brandon Handley 12:10
that I think that there’s a there’s a huge there’s a huge that that’s how we’re brought up man right we’re brought up the chaser relationship once you’ve got that great relationship you become whole type of thing and you know two people complete each other and all this other jazz right but you know, that may be the end and then then the end result but those two people come together I love I think it’s Wayne Dyer that talks about Thank you don’t come together as two halves and create a whole you come together as two people. You’re still two people. Right? With with Yeah, individuality is you got to come together as two whole people, right, loving yourself as for who you are and and before other people can love you. Correct. You

Jeremy Todd 12:55
can’t come in halfway. You got to come in 100% because no one’s ever gonna fill that void. That’s something that’s taking me a long time to really just wrap my head around that concept because I don’t know what it was. I don’t know if it’s just a switch one day. I’m like, you know what, that doesn’t make any sense. I mean, I kind of enjoy being alone, actually. I mean, it’s all good. But man, oh, man, the more you get, you know, alone and you start thinking your way through Why don’t you like little stuff? Jeremy, why don’t you know why don’t you give yourself excuses for not going to the gym? I enjoy the gym.

Brandon Handley 13:25
I heard you know, so here’s what I mean. Let’s talk a little bit about it. I know that I heard you kind of busting your balls on on your podcast about like, you know, setting up excuses for yourself and realizations and you know, your own but yeah, and weighs out more than anything. But let’s talk about you know, endless I mean, that’s, that’s, that’s, that’s everybody, right? That’s every human that’s out there does this to a certain degree. What I want to talk about those like, you know, kind of what you’re talking about is is kind of leading with spirituality where you you know, you’ve accepted the power within you, right? Yeah. And, and so let’s talk about What that means to you?

Jeremy Todd 14:02
Well, I mean, it’s almost for accepting the power of me is is tough because I don’t know if I’ve accepted all the power within me. It’s almost like I’m hitting, you know, analogy. I’m going going down a big hill and I still hold my hands on the brakes, not willing to completely let go. I’m going fast. We talked about earlier, take the hands off the steering wheel and just let it go. Right, right. I am. I’m getting closer. I believe in myself more now than ever. And, you know, you know, just to say, you know, I wouldn’t enjoy some wins, and not that I’ve never had wins in the past, but I want to enjoy a win on the spiritual journey that I’m on now. Maybe it is when I get that book out. That’d be a winner in the accomplishment. Maybe I don’t even know what what will it be, but it’s almost like I’m just, this is the path I need to go on. Yeah, I feel comfortable with this path. I don’t know what the end result looks like. But I’ve never felt so good about this path that I’m on that I’ve ever been in my entire life.

Brandon Handley 15:04
So let’s talk. Like, let’s talk a little about, like, so it’s like you’re kind of you’re kind of shading your own light is what I’m hearing. Right? So you’re kind of shading your own light. Because it’s, it’s a little scary to admit that what you feel inside is greater than anything that you’ve ever felt before.

Jeremy Todd 15:21
So exactly, right. Right. It is it is. You know, it’s the self, you know, then you have the self, where am I worthy enough? You know, and these things are just there. And again, I’m not trying to say who was me and but believe me, it’s the positive side guy, you know, I’m all good. But you know, in a different space, right? You’re just so you’re feeling when you dial down deep into it. Mm hmm. start identifying different things. It doesn’t change who I am as a motivational guy, inspirational guy, but it’s this new journey that I love picking this part about just to get better. And I love it. And love is challenging. It’s difficult. It’s extremely hard. And it’s the best challenge I’ve ever been on in my entire life and Because of the decisions I’ve made in my life, they all brought me to this exact point for a specific reason. And I’m excited about where this is gonna go.

Brandon Handley 16:08
Would you call it the serve resurrection of Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 16:11
I kind of feel like that man I really do. It’s it’s doing things that I enjoy doing. If I don’t want to do something, I just don’t do stuff. I don’t know how to even explain it.

Brandon Handley 16:20
But don’t do things that don’t bring you life. Right. Why would you?

Unknown Speaker 16:22
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 16:24
And I think that though, you know, there’s also there’s a precipice here, there’s a there’s a, there’s definitely caveats to this message, right? This is once you kind of step into this space that you’re in, because prior to that people would take that as meaning Well, I’m gonna go out and I’m gonna get wasted. I’m not going to do work yada, yada yada. That’s not what we’re talking about here. Correct. We’re not talking about going out and doing whatever you want. I’m gonna go streak and I’m gonna windows and all this other stuff. You can do that. Don’t get me wrong. I have a blast right there. Done that right. Don’t be a jerk. Um, but talking about, you know, what are the things ones that are fulfilling you right and looking for those and then adding more of those moments in your life is that we’re talking about here

Jeremy Todd 17:07
is exactly what I’m talking about and it’s doing little stuff that I want to do like I you know, I went on that trip to Ireland by myself. Yeah, man, that was the coolest thing in the world but no plans just hit said hey, I’m going by myself I don’t know anything. I don’t know anybody. I don’t know where I’m going but I’m just gonna go do it I’m gonna handle and it was a blast. I’m trying to plan my next trip and this is totally totally off the wringer but I want to go hunting for some reason never been hunting in my entire life. Right. Well, my buddy Dustin bond working you know, Dustin. Yeah, so I’m gonna go out and see Dustin Vaughn warranty and he doesn’t know it yet. But I’m sure to plan a trip down to go go down to Texas and go haul Connie. Nice. I mean, I’ve never shot a rifle before in my life. But it just sounds interesting to go out and and again, I’m not trying to sound horrible but kill an animal. But actually not just killing the same. See, let it like actually consume the animal. And again, you know, hey, I’m eating you know, we all eat hamburger and cheese. And we don’t actually see the beginning process. I mean I’m excited about the the mental journey I go on when I physically kill another animal and then consume that animal. What does that do with my perspective on day to day life with what may go and do you know, whatever, go to the restaurant get a hamburger. No.

Brandon Handley 18:18
It’s a rite of passage for you is What is

Jeremy Todd 18:21
it? Yeah, it’s just something different that I’ve always thought about to see what that process is actually, like, instead of just Hey, I’ll take a hamburger. The hamburger comes you don’t ever see any of that you don’t see the cow Walker? You don’t see it as a baby cow. Come on. Oh my god. It’s so pretty and it grows up and you don’t see any of that. Yeah. And I’m just really trying to get in touch with everything into my life. And that’s just one small area that I can do it and hey, let’s see how it goes. I don’t I

Brandon Handley 18:45
mean, that can be that could that could very well turn you into a vegetarian you never know. Well, because I’ll tell you I had an experience growing up as a kid I got the BB gun and there was sitting in the backyard of my grandparents house. There’s a was like a little bird said On the mulberry tree, right? Yeah. And I shot it, but then when I shot it like there was this thing that kind of just went through me it was so weird, right? Like when you Yeah, you know you’re ending something else’s life that look, we all step on bugs, right? we all we all flesh ticks. But yeah, it has something to do with like this this this bird right and and you know other lives. So you know it’s an interesting it is definitely an interesting experience to take another life and I mean, it’s very different than fishing. Right fishing Yeah, sure, sure. Same thing, but you don’t the same thing, right? You’re taking something out. Take taking something that was natural element and eventually you’re killing it and consuming it. Yeah, right. I mean, there’s no, there’s no way to sugarcoat that’s exactly what you know. But at the same time, it’s really, I think important. What it sounds like is you want to go on or that process and experience it for yourself. I mean, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 19:59
exactly. And

Brandon Handley 20:00
how’s that any different than mine ground beef?

Jeremy Todd 20:05
Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, I would never shoot an animal but I’m gonna go buy chicken or meat. Okay, I have a big have a big steak, okay, hey, I get all that but it’s just something I’ve thought about and I’d be really interested about the spiritual part about that is in how emotional is it going to be for me because I’m a big, I’m a big nerd. I’m a big softy. I mean, I’ll probably cry

Brandon Handley 20:26
like a little baby. I think it’s interesting. Um,

Jeremy Todd 20:28
but you know, if I’m going to kill it, I’m going to consume it. And I’m not going to just leave it out there and just waste it. But I’m also a big believer of everything you eat that you take the spirit of that animal to so the garbage food you do take on that animal spirit and that soul in that process, so if I go out to an animal and kill it, I’m taking on that animal soul. And I’m interested to see how that’s gonna make me feel a little bit differently when I actually eat the meat is gonna be a little bit different, like, the whole process is just something

Brandon Handley 20:59
I’ll never know. Doesn’t, I’m definitely interested to see kind of how that turns out for you. Right. And and the thing is main thing is, is not everybody’s journey is the same, right? Your journey is your journey. And like I said, I’m enjoying, I’m joined kind of the space that you’re in. Because it sounds like you’re kind of at this front end of it, exploring it more, you expose the, you know, call it the light, your spirit, whatever, within you accepted it. And again, now you’re like,

Jeremy Todd 21:29
now what? Yeah, yeah. And that, and that’s, I don’t know if there’s a right or wrong answer or direct explanation. But you know, it’s interesting, you know, and obviously, you don’t be pretty well in full disclosure, you know, coming out of a long term marriage. And, you know, it’s interesting when you’re in a long term marriage, and again, my perspective, no one else’s perspective, but you begin to and this isn’t all marriages, this is again, I’m just being very vague with this, but you begin to not develop as the person that you truly Are you almost become two people into developing and as one not this isn’t anything wrong with that totally cool. But I feel like I’ve went down that farce down the road for so many years and so long that I’d never really identify with who I actually am because getting married at a young age, you develop each other’s lives through each other through through each other’s experiences and preferences and opinions and, and again, not to say there’s nothing wrong with because it’s shaped me to who I am today. But going through that whole process and now being and again, go back to that fear of being alone. That’s part of this process is figuring out who am I actually, what do I actually enjoy? What actually does scare me? I don’t know those answers yet. And again, I’d love it that I don’t know the answers. Yeah. And I don’t know if I’ll ever know the answers because part of that process of trying to figure it out, develops the person that I truly am going to become Sure. It’s like chasing, you know, chasing the sunset. You’re never going to get But it’s always bright and always looks good and I’m all for it. Yeah, but I mean, but hey, man, I it’s exciting Dude, I I couldn’t be happier. I couldn’t be more excited about the future scared about the future all at the same time. But, man, if anybody out there, listen to the show, it’s just an opportunity to really dive down deep within yourself and figure out who you truly are. And there’s and the other thing about that is not that I have to say, but there’s no right or wrong answer to that. It’s not about I’m the right person or this is the wrong person. I was right. No, right or wrong. It’s Who am

Brandon Handley 23:33
I? The important thing is what you’re saying there is eliminate the judgment. Right? Don’t judge don’t judge who you are. Don’t judge the experience. Just

Unknown Speaker 23:45
be

Brandon Handley 23:47
right and it’s really and again, that’s something that unless and until you do it, it’s a very it’s very, it’s a that’s a very interesting experience. Um, and I you know, I picked that up through headspace, right and meditation and it was like, Don’t judge. It was like it was there was a I forget one of the meditations, but even at the very, very beginning, like, Don’t judge XYZ don’t judge this. And while I’m sure I never thought of myself as judging before, I recognize the difference between judging my thoughts and experiences versus not. And when you’re not judging them either good or bad. There’s like an elimination of like weight on attachment to that, because when you judge something as good or bad, you’re investing emotional energy into that. And that’s a hook.

Jeremy Todd 24:33
Yeah, that’s well said. I mean, you’re exactly right. Because when you use explain to court exactly perfect, because when you do put those emotions on things, they are heavy, and you don’t need to put any emotion on them. These are the things that have happened. These This is what the decisions I’ve made in my past. This is who I am not right, they’re not wrong. And it’s interesting when you talk about judging people because we’re judging. The first thing you always automatically is thinking about judging other people, but the first person you can’t judge yourself. And we always skip ourselves, you know, it’s like, oh, man, I’m gonna judge that person. I won’t judge that person. But this person, we got to not judge ourselves and what has brought us to this point in our life is all the good decisions and the quote unquote bad decisions.

Brandon Handley 25:14
Well, I’ll tell you, I’ll tell you, you know, what I kind of what I kind of got it down to was, you know, I tried really hard and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Right, and, and growing up, and the things that I did the things that I put in my body, the experiences I put myself through, and if I’m still here today, yeah, there’s a reason. Reason. Yeah. And so I’m exploring that my purpose changes. My purpose changes the month the meanings change, but I investigate that right. I investigate that and it sounds like again, this is kind of where you’re at, right? You’re investigating Jeremy’s purpose. You’re investigating Jeremy’s self identity. And I’d like to, you know, separate those two words. myself right your yourself those are two separate words right those are two ways now when you separate those two words and you break down what is your self that’s your inner being I mean you look up the dictionary self is like your inner being right yeah and and so that’s the piece that gets so neglected man and you know we show up in our you know late later ages nothing is all beat the hell it’s like it’s like it’s like you show up with a used car lot there’s the one that’s like got leftover because because they didn’t even want to take this wasn’t one it’s another

Unknown Speaker 26:33
is yeah

Brandon Handley 26:36
nothing left on it right. And now we’re like, I can resurrect this bitch. Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 26:41
yeah hundred percent. Well I think one of the biggest things like you were talking about there is that when when you are 100% comfortable with yourself. It gives you the ability to when other people come into your area. If you have a high level of your you know, your energies are super high. And then they’re clean too, because you can have a high energy and not even understand your high energy. So when you’re high energy and you’ve cleaned you have got no clouds of your head, and then someone else comes, approaches you you can sense their energies in one second. You know exactly what’s going on. Hey, I can tell you’re going through some stuff What’s up? No, I’m not. Yeah, er, because I can feel it.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
Right, right. And then

Jeremy Todd 27:20
all of a sudden it starts spewing all these things that’s going on because when you’re super, super clean, and you have that high energy, man, you just see life differently. That’s a different perspective. There’s a lot of things that come to you that you’re Yeah, you’re blank, your brain would block before but now it doesn’t block cc more you’re more aware you’re more alert and you just see the world in different way. It’s it’s powerful. It’s it’s the same as

Brandon Handley 27:45
saying the two is when you kind of release the fear and come at it with a clean energy. You’re open and receptive things because you’re you’re not goes back to judgment. You’re not cringing yourself. You’re not afraid of that person. Because you’re good with who you are

Jeremy Todd 28:03
correct? Yeah, you know, it’s so funny having conversations with people now that you male, female, whatever the case is, and they don’t want to tell you a story. I don’t want to tell you that because I don’t want you to think of me as this. I truly would never think of any differently than what we have right here. Right? I don’t care what you did in your past. I don’t care what happened because hey, what the past what you brought you to me, and now we’re having this conversation. I don’t judge. But people don’t people. You know, it’s almost like

Brandon Handley 28:30
if your story is funny and crazy, I’ll tell you. Yeah. It was crazy, though. Yeah, but you did you did that. Exactly. Okay. Right.

Jeremy Todd 28:39
But again, there’s no reason to charge anybody anything because we’re all of our spirits are completely different. But we’re all here. Like you said, we’re all here. Everything just bad decisions. I made, quote unquote, bad decision. This brought me to this point right now and I couldn’t be any happier.

Brandon Handley 28:52
Right? So I mean, talk to me how you feel, you know, a big part of this is leading with spirituality to for a more fulfilling life. Tell me how you feel like you’re doing that now?

Jeremy Todd 29:03
Well, I think it’s direct reflection of, of, of my podcast. I mean, I and again, I’m not here to promote promote my podcast but that’s that’s really what I do is I really promote a peaceful spirit, a peaceful body peaceful soul and being authentic and be comfortable who I am and experiencing that and telling people, it’s going to be okay. Hey, I’ve got this podcast that I tell people, the most honest, brutal stories in my life. But I don’t expect any judgment from anybody. I don’t judge myself for the experiences I’ve made. But I’m living from a spiritual peaceful place them coming out just to help others. And I can’t tell you how many emails responses I get from people all over the world that just call me randomly email me randomly Jeremy changed my life. Thank you so much. That you know I was going through tough times with the COVID I had a young lady that’s in Las Vegas she emailed me two weeks ago and said Jeremy changed my life. I was searching for a motivational podcasts. I searched positivity and yours came up. And I was blown away. I lost my job. You know, I have no money. I’ve got a young child at home. I don’t know what to do, right? But just having that mental spirituality, that peacefulness well come over to you, man, I’m telling you just makes a big difference and we will talk about it enough.

Brandon Handley 30:23
I think that um, you know, a piece a piece of that, right? Like, can talk to me like a little bit about what you’re feeling when you say spirituality because here’s another thing that, you know, I’m, I’m kind of tripping over the past few days, is when somebody says they’re spiritual, but like, they don’t believe in God or a higher source. There’s like, I’m spiritual. I’m like, no, not. Because like that answers. It’s void of weight and substance right sometimes. Sure. And so, you know, that’s why, you know, I saved you. So when you’re saying spiritual, to me, what do you what are you saying?

Jeremy Todd 31:00
I have a secret question. I am agnostic at best. I believe there’s a higher power that I believe there’s a higher source. I believe everything in my life happens for a specific reason. This is why I’m here. I don’t think my mind is or my brain is big enough to comprehend what all is going on. What I do know is that everything that’s happened in my life has happened for a specific reason. Whether that being a higher being whether that being God, whether that be Butoh, I mean, I’ve studied every possible type of religion in the world. But I believe there is something else out there, there has to be. And and again, I don’t know what that answer is it. It’s hard for me to comprehend. It’s hard for me to work my way through it. But what I do know is that I continue to do what I believe is the right thing to do. Everything always has worked its way out every single time in my life. It always has and always will. So when you talk about my spiritual for a specific, you know, white God on top of the cloud with a white beard, right, that’s not my spirituality

Brandon Handley 31:58
now, but it sounds like you’ve got a There’s a grand design greater great. There’s got to be like a universal intelligence that has kind of a design aspect. Otherwise you would have driven off the road that night. Otherwise you wouldn’t have made it home safely that one time. Otherwise, you know, I mean, I do

Jeremy Todd 32:17
know. Okay, so it’s it’s a tricky thing to think about. Because, you know, typically when you hear the word spiritual, you’re on Jesus and God and then well, that’s the thing is that my spirituality? I’m sorry. I mean, it’s great. And I and I respect that. I respect all religions respect everybody, but it’s just not what I believe I

Brandon Handley 32:36
was just not the one that speaks to you right now. Right. So

Jeremy Todd 32:40
yeah, no judgment, obviously. no judgment. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 32:42
so for me more and more recently, right. It’s come to kind of my attention, right that this, every one of these religions is just kind of a framework to the place where you’ve gotten to right now place where I’ve gotten to right now. So we’ve got a set of have potential instructions. If we were to arrive at this point in our lives right now and be like, I’m freaking out, man, I know there’s something inside me it’s coming out. I liken it to like being a seed to write like, our bodies are spiritual seeds, right? This is this cell right here, right? And that you know sounds to me too like again I’m just I’m just coming pulling shit on my butt but like it sounds to me like you know that that spirit within you is starting to on fertile right just like a C correct and a show and there’s no stopping it right it’s like it’s like asphalt doesn’t stop like a grass seed from cracking through it, right? Yeah, exactly. And so you’ve got like this you’ve got like this life energy right now that is just unfolding, and you’re letting it unfold within you right now.

Jeremy Todd 33:49
Right? And you know, there I’ve also you know, looked into there’s a lot of studies or a lot of free legends have said that, that there is no god we are all our own God. Our God is within ourselves. We have all greatness we all we are everything that we want to be in candy. We just have to access that and work our way through it. That’s another thing that you know, again, maybe that’s the answer.

Brandon Handley 34:12
So so I can help you out with this one. Right and you just just from personal experience, right. So I’m in, But to your point earlier to what degree like you know, like I like you know, I’m holding the wheel just in case, right I actually got this number right, right, right. But it actually Joe dispenza Oh no, I think it was rah rah Robin Sharma or Joe dispenza. I’ve got 210 minute pieces that I listen to all the time from both of those guys to send them to me. Absolutely man. So one of his like you if you rise to your level of thinking, Okay, okay. So, if you rise to your level of thinking and your current level thinking is that you are a human being What’s your maximum potential? Right here? maximum potential is your whom human being potential, which sometimes seems limited. Okay with that, well, if God is everything or you know, is it even within me then there’s something godlike within me, right? At least I’m attached to God somehow and I’m a part of that. Now I’ve got a different level of thinking. Right? Because now my being has changed. Right? Or, you know, again, you know, we can you can play with like, which beingness are you right now? Yeah. hanging out in divine being right. I salute the Divinity within you right now. mistake. Sure,

Unknown Speaker 35:40
sure. So,

Brandon Handley 35:42
if you’re a divine being, then you also are willing to accept grace, which is divine strength, outside strength, right, and kind of so that changes your level of thinking, I look at everybody as a divine being, right. So can we agree more, if we’ve got that and that’s my level. Thinking, what’s to stop me?

Jeremy Todd 36:02
Nothing. So I mean yourself. I mean, your your, your ego? I mean, I don’t know. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 36:08
if you let that go, I mean, that’s all stuff, you gotta let go.

Jeremy Todd 36:11
There’s no question. You know, I think it’s all those things that that that continue to work on is letting that go. But it’s not. It’s not like hitting a switch. It’s not like often, you know, it’s a process. Yeah, it’s, that’s what I love about it.

Brandon Handley 36:22
It’s a slow build, you know, it’s just like anything else. This is kind of a you know, and you can change again, you’re like, Alright, well, you know, ratchet that different thinking, but if you rise to your level of thinking, What are you thinking about yourself? Right? Again, I’ll separate those two words. Sure. What are you thinking about yourself? Is that is that an XYZ nature if it you know, what, what nature of the self? Are you sure? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 36:48
no, I get it. It’s a tough topic to talk. I mean, I don’t want to say it’s even tough. It’s just for me, it’s just working my way through that mental process. And I think to myself, Well, imagine what you know, like Three years ago, you know where I’m at now versus three years ago, were just gonna be three years from now. I mean, man, it’s just working your way through this and getting better and getting smarter and getting stronger, and getting more free. I just I just love I just love life, man. I love the love the journey. I love the conversations. I love the deep topics. I just miss what we’re here for. Right? Bam. So, again, I

Brandon Handley 37:22
feel like that’s kind of where you’re at. Right? you’re you’re you’re working on this kind of determining, yeah, who the self is right? And then like, how are you harnessing it right, you’re stepping into your power and making that determination for yourself every day? Yeah, I mean, tell me like I’ll place you. Where’s the practical application for this for yourself? Like where someplace you’ve applied this like way of thinking.

Jeremy Todd 37:48
I did everything. I mean, literally, I literally I mean I go to work. I’m that weird guy. I do my podcast. I’m not different do as a parent. I think that’s one of the most powerful places you can do. It is not get caught up with Like being you know, I’m not I’m not a guy that’s gonna like, I guess parenting is different for me than a lot of other people that I see because I had these deep conversations with my kids. And I tell them that, hey, it doesn’t matter what happened, you know, if you made a mistake, it’s okay. It’s not a mistake. It’s a learning process. It’s becoming the better person that you are. My kids are weird. And I love it. I love them for it weird to society. You know, they’re weird. Yeah. But they’re brilliant. They’re smart. And we have these deep conversations. And that’s probably the most important thing that I can push on to them is that you know that the power of who they are the power of what they look like the power of their, their selves. The more with kids getting beat down over social media, their friends, and we’re talking to them about different stuff that other parents aren’t talking to our kids about. They can deal with this every day and this is not an easy conversation for them either. But the more we have it, the more we understand that that is okay and the stronger they become at a younger age. I would you know, no disrespect to My parents, but I would never had these conversations with my kids when I was a kid. You know, it wasn’t even thought

Brandon Handley 39:04
of you never had that conversation. different times. Right?

Jeremy Todd 39:07
Correct. But you know, hey imagine 30 years from now what are my kids gonna be look like by having these conversations now? Hopefully I’m around for but my kids are gonna be so much more well off more happier within themselves more comfortable with who they are, and not get caught up in the craziness. That is that is life. So, right. That’s by far the number one thing by far

Brandon Handley 39:29
your parenting so your planet, you know, and your parenting life. This is

Jeremy Todd 39:32
weird parenting, though it’s just different and not weird, or it’s just different parenting different from what you grew up with. Right? Yeah, and as many people do, but man, I just think it’s the most powerful thing you can do right now is to teach that to your children. about spirituality. What does it mean? What does it mean to them? What does it look like? What do they believe? And then not bashing them? Like, you know, I was born and raised Catholic. That’s the that’s the only way you thought was born, raised Catholic.

Unknown Speaker 39:54
Sure. Jesus died on the cross God blah, blah, blah,

Jeremy Todd 39:57
Heaven and Hell and all that good stuff. That was all Have you thought anything different? You were on Galston?

Unknown Speaker 40:03
Yeah. But what literally?

Jeremy Todd 40:05
Yeah, literally Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally you were, I mean, kicked out of school, this kid, this kid’s got something wrong with them. But in reality, that’s not the case. And again, I think that’s one of the most powerful things that that I’m doing right now. And, you know, the mother of my children does, we’re on the same page for that, too. So it’s great. I mean, it couldn’t be any better right now.

Brandon Handley 40:24
That’s cool. So just integrating it with your daily life is kind of how you’re applying it practically. And

Jeremy Todd 40:30
yeah, you know, again, it’s it’s it’s easier said than done. I know, but I’m doing so often. I love the reactions i get i give such different opinions on different topics in different situations that I don’t care what anybody says, This is how I truly feel. This is my opinion. It’s not right or wrong, right. But I may see something different than may open someone’s up someone’s eyes instead of falling in line. That’s what we get to do. This is what this is, you know, going to church on Sunday. You’re doing this you’re doing it. Oh, I mean, I am and I support that to do your thing.

Brandon Handley 40:59
Well, yeah. Yeah, look man, like, like we said, Yeah, everybody’s path is their own path. Right. Yeah. I think that that’s I think that you know, when they created this country that was the pursuit of happiness right the the freedom was a religion was those things right was you know, hey listen this is a true thing. A lot of us Christians here but uh you know

Jeremy Todd 41:23
that now religion one of the greatest the constitution one of

Brandon Handley 41:26
the greatest things ever and I love it Listen man I think there was a powerful document right and i think that that’s just another one of those things that we take for granted.

Jeremy Todd 41:33
Right? It is and it’s freedom of speech freedom of I mean for women they carry handgun freedom, you name it freedom. I just love it because I can be who I am and we’re very, very blessed. But what are the chances? This is another thing what are the chances of us being born in this country at this time out of any other country on any other planet in any other situation? I mean, how lucky and blessed are we?

Brandon Handley 41:56
Well, I think that that’s a huge part of the story. huge part of the entire outlook Jeremy, what you’re saying right there is that, you know, if you look at where you are, and everything you do is what I’m here to say is like as a miracle,

Unknown Speaker 42:11
it is miracle that we’re blessed

Brandon Handley 42:14
right then. And could you could you imagine a better time in the anytime to become yourself?

Jeremy Todd 42:22
No, no. I mean, can you imagine me being born with a horse and carriage? I would have been dead 25 years ago. You could survive. You

Brandon Handley 42:31
know, I’ll tell you, man, I know. I know. Definitely growing up. I did a lot of like things that, you know, I should have gotten my ass kicked for. But I definitely would have gotten a shot for like an 1800s type of thing. Like,

Jeremy Todd 42:42
I mean, exactly. I am so soft and so fragile. I would have no chance 100 years ago, but I wasn’t I mean, but hey, even now, I could have been born in South America or North Korea or meat. I mean, you name the country. Well, you could be born anywhere but

Unknown Speaker 42:59
here it is. Man, I’m just

Brandon Handley 43:02
so blessed. I think it’s a beautiful time, man. I think it’s a beautiful time we’re in so Brother, listen, I know. I mean, we always love catching up on loving hearing your journey and you know how you’re just you know, loving on your spiritual self and you keep growing that right and you’re leading with that. Tell me like yeah, listen, people never heard you before. So where should they go check you out? If you haven’t heard me,

Jeremy Todd 43:23
come on, come on rapidly for obviously, you remember the positive side podcast. It’s the positive side podcast. You check out the positive side podcast calm, but more importantly, just hop on the show. And again, the intentions of the show truly, truly, truly are just to just tell my random stories through life, the stuff that I struggle with, to share those messages to understand that hey, if you are struggling, you are going through these tough times. You’re not alone and we’re all going to get to this together. We’re all going to get better we’re all gonna get stronger. So that’s the biggest thing. Or you can always email Jeremy Jeremy at Jeremy Todd COMM But then, more importantly, Brandon, I love this show. Man. This is like the perfect show for you. It’s this is like you wheelhouse bro. I’ve just been a long time ago. That’s

Unknown Speaker 44:04
right. I was afraid.

Unknown Speaker 44:06
Sure. I get

Brandon Handley 44:07
it. I was afraid. I was afraid. And but it’s where I wanted to be, which is the funny thing, right. And so what’s what’s funny is that it is opened up but is blown up and opened up like the reception. Yeah. And so me just going and doing that thing that I was so afraid to do so many years ago. Self permission. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I think that you know, listen, if you made it to the end of the podcast, that was the message that you need to hear today, man, this is like, self permission. So Exactly. Alright guys. Thank you so much, Jeremy. And we’ll chat next time. Oh, hell yeah,

Jeremy Todd 44:45
brother. Thank you.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

I had the great opportunity to hang out with Dan Reeves as we discuss accepting a higher power in your life and what that looks like.

Dan has quite a bit to offer you in this episode and a number of tools along with practical application of these tools so that you can live a life fully tapped into your own spiritual being.

Be sure to reach out to Dan & let him know you heard this episode here today!

Places you can connect with Dan:

http://spiritualunderground.org/index.html

https://www.instagram.com/spiritualunderground/

https://www.facebook.com/SpiritualUnderground/

The 12 step book that Dan references in the podcast:

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spiritual dope spiritual is that that my podcast is so you listen after you go through like a few of them you forget like who you’re even announcing and like you have to get used to your new one and just how’s that gonna come out? Um, but hey guys I’m on with Moloch Dan is okay say last name de cerca. Certainly, Sadam ri is a spiritual underground. Dan, I connected just kind of just on the general idea of our podcasts and what we have to share. And it’s a similar journey. But just different tales, right. So pretty. And that’s the thing, right? So everybody’s kind of going through something. They just, you know, there’s a guy that listen to a book, Jed McKenna, and he’s kind of like this salty, spiritual guy, right? And what I like about him is that he says, He goes, listen, I don’t know how you’re going to get there. But I can tell you what to expect after you’ve gotten there, which I think is kind of interesting. So Dan, Thanks for hopping on today we are we’re tackling Sunday in this way. And and one of the things I, I like to ask people is, before we even get started, right, well, you and I talked, you interviewed me recently, people, we are kind of conduits for the universe to talk to, right. We’re conduits, our story that we’re sharing here. And what we’re sharing here today is meant probably for somebody else more so than it’s meant even for us. So for that person who’s listening today, just to receive the message that’s being delivered, what do you think, you know, what, what is something that somebody needs to hear that,

Dan Reeves 1:38
you know, the dopamine boost brought me to my knees, my, my, my bottom, so to speak. But the thing what I’m finding out as I keep on traveling this journey is that we all have some kind of room for more in our lives. That’s the question I ask people whenever I’m talking outside of the 12 steps, circles about you know, if they want to change their lives Do you have any room for more and I think most people the answer to that is yes. I have actually had one person tell me no i don’t really believe them. But you know there always is room for more problem as it seems like we get stuck and and hopefully with these things what I hope to be as a catalyst to unstuck people you know, no matter what direction you’re coming from, is that there is a way to get unstuck and I don’t know what that really is for you. I know what it was for me. But what I can promise you is that there is getting out of that hole is available to you might take some effort it’s gonna take some action for sure. But But you know, there’s there’s a hopeless feeling when a lot of people’s hearts that they’re like stuck in this spot, and they’re just gonna have to resign themselves to being this.

Brandon Handley 2:52
And this is all there is right? There’s nothing else right? Yeah, because it gets

Dan Reeves 2:56
Yeah, that my sponsor my mentor has so rewritten this 12 steps in a way not dot rewritten but reformatted it into some modern language and in the beginning of his book he puts a statement here this is not the way my life is supposed to be this is not the way my life is supposed to be now if you don’t fall under that category great but fact is I think a lot of people are you know I see this underlying you see it in the stores I think you’re you know spoke to you before and and I know your spirit you see this like almost a zombie like dissatisfaction underlying most people’s day to day you know, it’s everything looks to be like being done in a little bit of a pain spot. Like oh, man, I have to go to the grocery store. And, and, and, you know, operate on it playing today, man, I’m peeking around the next corner seeing what’s coming up next. Sure. And and And, you know, there just is you don’t have to stay in that spot. But get this one, you know, and some people would subscribe to more kind of wonder about that myself about how many trips around this blue, Big Blue Marble I get or wherever else I’m not really sure about that concept, but it has landed with me. But I know this trip is the one I got now. Sure, knowing what I don’t want to be doing is laying an old age wishing I would have,

Brandon Handley 4:24
huh, gosh, you know this, this is so great. You said that right? That was one of the one of the things I saved today. You know, a lot of people give Facebook a lot of shit, right? Yeah. But quite honestly, like I’m pulling up the picture right now because that was that was one of the things there’s actually two things that he said that they’re kind of resonating with me. But the first one is directly in line to that right says I hope your life is full of I can’t believe I did this, then I should have done it. Right. Yeah, that’s powerful stuff. And then and then the other line I had somebody a post today was kind of along the lines. What you’re saying there, right? You know, we’re peeking around this corner, or we’re waiting, and we’re sitting here suffering. And and the way I kind of pictured it is like, you know, there’s there’s always a wave coming, right? There’s always a wave coming and, you know, it’s your opportunity to stand there and get crushed by the wave. Or you have the opportunity to ride that wave. Right. So, but I did, I did, I did caveat it as like, if you go so you know, just as in terms of surfing, you know, it’s always a good idea to go with somebody who’s done that before. Right? Because you can learn on your own.

Dan Reeves 5:37
You know, why take that hard path? You know, I mean, and I’ll tell you why. Because, for me, I have trouble asking for help.

Brandon Handley 5:47
Yep, yep. Yep. You know,

Dan Reeves 5:48
the crucial words in the 12 step rooms, you know, help me I don’t know what to do. When somebody heard those words. I know then I didn’t have somebody I can work with. The flip side of that is, I know, I know. I know. Well, look,

Brandon Handley 6:05
I mean, we I think he said the beginning, we all know what to do. Right? We all know what we’re supposed to be doing. And this works in every realm, right? This is why this is why health coaching is so big, right? And nutrition coaching is like, we all know we’re supposed to get to the gym, we all know we’re supposed to eat better. We all know that we’re supposed to floss all these things, right? But until you get like the dentist reminding you like Hey, listen, if you don’t keep if you don’t floss, you’re gonna lose teeth. Right? If you if you don’t work out, you’re gonna you know, maybe live to be 70 instead of like a healthy 85 right and all these things. I need help man. That’s definitely powerful stuff though. So let’s give a little let’s give a little background right on kind of your podcast and what your spiritual dope is right? Because as you’re saying here, and I think what people may be hearing already is like you can’t you come from a place where it was no street dope. Yep,

Dan Reeves 7:00
yeah, you know i and i don’t fit the mold of that necessarily either what most people think about when they you know, when you see me and hear my story that I heard you say you know the video and the audio did not really line up because I came from an upper middle class back home with two parents who stayed intact. My mom passed away and 16 if they’d made it one more year to been 50 years of marriage. I had it you know, a little cliche saying I had everything I needed most of what I wanted sure, but yet still there was that thing that empty feeling me someplace and I know a lot more of that because I will talk from hindsight, right. You know, I didn’t know any of this when it was going on. But I still had that little thing where, you know, I just had trouble fitting in and I you know, I allowed myself to, you know, I hung out with some people who bullied me, because the companionship was worth the pain of the bullying. I put myself in situations where I was cultivated this programming inside of me have less than that, you know, everybody else had the playbook of how to do this thing called life and I must have missed that day in school and and and what I did was watch what you did and and at one point you know I ran into the you know somebody asked me what really my very first drugs for cigarettes but I ran into something that changed the way I feel because that was really what it was doing that’s why you know I needed I wasn’t okay with the way I felt when I ran into these substances to change the way I felt. I thought I’d found the magic key and you know, for a long time it was and you know, early on I started running into consequences getting caught with Oh, by the you know, in in 3d as in my lifetime and various other things that would have happened that that caused some consequences but none of them would make me change. One of the things was is I came from a relatively young my dad I my hometown God dad knows everybody with a little money in a lawyer in some know somebody You get out of trouble when you’re a kid. I look back at that. And I’m like, man, if I’d maybe had some secret, you know, I don’t know, again, what do you do wonder I look at that now, you know, when I run into somebody, some consequences are really a good thing, because that will change your trajectory, you know, otherwise, I just keep on going that direction. I’ll go on until some consequences happen.

Brandon Handley 9:18
Right now, like, and the other thing you heard I heard in your store, too. So I mean, you were at the same job for about 28 years. I haven’t gotten the specifics of the job. But this was a job that was sending you all around the world. You tell us a little bit about that.

Dan Reeves 9:31
Yeah, you know, well, I got a job right out of high school. Actually, I was still in high school and I started drafting I’m mechanically inclined, I just love that kind of stuff. I was doing mechanical drafting. I was doing architectural drafting. And I got a job and held it for like three years. And the fact is, is I couldn’t get to work it in the morning, the night before and I got a chance and chance again, to correct my behavior and I couldn’t do it and they let me go and you know, look at that as a blessing too, because that caused some changes. You know, that was some consequences, right? And lo and behold, you know, the universe just keeps on providing and I got a job just not too long after that it’s this place and it’s there’s a story around it, but I don’t think and I didn’t know where I was going and still a placement agency and didn’t know where I was going. And I still remember that really uncomfortable feeling, man, I’m walking in and trying to tell somebody that they should hire me. I just could not believe it myself. But they did. And they hired me is kind of funny story. I’d come from some minimum wage job and, and I told him what I needed to start and this is like in 1991, and I think I told him I needed $6 an hour to start. This was my was my offer. And the guy here steal that. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 10:43
doesn’t really matter what I was $6 an hour.

Dan Reeves 10:46
I was 20 years old, you know and, and in the God did not I don’t think he I think he was on a script because I don’t think he heard a word. I said, you know, he he looked at me he goes well, I’m sorry. So we started by at $8 and 90 cents an hour. Well, that Work and I’m like Did he just and so I got this job and and I traveled up you know I made I made work a real important thing and it’s not a bad thing right at all but I did I worked my way up and a few years they called me an engineer I don’t I check the some college box that’s another thing that doesn’t go it did for me it didn’t go out drinking and drug and did not go fit a college schedule.

Brandon Handley 11:27
We could not do that. Well you already kind of like we already habitual user at this point in

Dan Reeves 11:32
time. Yeah, but this time, you know, by the time I was in high school, I was smoking pot every day. I was drinking on the weekends is a little harder to drink in a day for me on the weekdays, you know that I could smoke pot and function. I spent my entire senior year

on cocaine.

You know, so I was already using pretty heavy stuff by that time. You know, I was I was taking acid when I before I had my driver’s license. We were reading breeze and I remember that so well is because we would be riding our bicycles.

I know it was before driving. Okay, yeah, by this

Brandon Handley 12:08
time I don’t think I said something I don’t think I’ve ever tried riding a bike while you’re on so that was really fun.

Dan Reeves 12:13
It really was. I can remember coming home at daybreak you know, listening to the birds singing and writing my 10 speed with no hands you know, because I could ride it thing no handed and just cruising up the road head known crawling my bedroom window it before mom and dad knew I was gone for the night. That’s about this time I was doing it, you know, and there was really nothing I wouldn’t do. If somebody had it. I did it, you know, went through phases, but you know, somehow are still able to keep my feet under me. You know, I got that second DUI when I was 19 years old and and the solution was not to stop drinking and driving. The solution was to do it smarter and better. I noticed that the 2d has I had one of them was because I was speeding and the other one I got pulled over because I had a taillight out. So that meant you’d need to do an airline pilot walk down around your car before went out, you know, it wasn’t a drink it was make sure that all in our lives working and do it smarter, and I didn’t get my third DUI until I was 38. So two years, wow, doing that, you know, but I did the formula, I got married, had a couple kids bought a home had this job that I thought I was gonna have forever because I kept on advancing up to the ranks and making more money every year. And, and, frankly, those years it’s a little you know, I don’t want to glorify the use, but it was fine. Yeah, you know, and it was fine. Until wasn’t any more.

Brandon Handley 13:37
Yeah, like I said, I mean, what point is it not fun anymore? And you know, throughout this whole thing, right? Are you still you’re still working your job and you’re still advancing? I’m still I’m functional.

Dan Reeves 13:47
Yeah, I am actually a superstar at work, because I’ll pull the rabbit out of the hat. It’s another kind of now look back at it is, it was more of that, you know, it was less of a drive and more of a to prove They’re more the kind of thing to prove that I’m good, you know, I have a little Superman thing you know that I need to be the superstar So, you know, looking back and stuff I you know, I’ll drag my feet on a project and not let them know it so that I can come in and get called in at the last minute to make the three point shot. You know, and I could always make the shot, you know, and and that would give me praise, right because Dan could pull these things off. But you know, through 12 step markers stuff I realized I wouldn’t pull that stuff off really, I was I was I was dragging my heels I was saying begun to not do anything until the last minute. But yeah, everything ever I was completely functional and I really stayed that way

until the end,

and sometime around 2005 My mom had a back surgery and and a drink and wasn’t working for me, but I couldn’t stop. Stop drinking every day. I’m stopping to beer joint across the street from New York. And if I didn’t already have kobir in a cooler in the car, I was stopping and getting some. And and I was coming home and I was playing chameleon. My wife had no idea I was drinking as many as I was, you know, look like maybe I was having to out the grill after work. But you know, effect was that, you know, I was guzzling down and I didn’t you know, I didn’t go to bed. I was sleeping in a recliner in my own room. You know, I’m in the main cave. I just totally disassociated myself from my family. I got these two young kids that that are that need a dad and he’s absent most of the time. I mean, he’s present physically, right, but I’m not there. Right. And the alcohol quit working and what I started to get my headaches every time you know that I drank it and it will just make me feel like crap. And I tried different you know, maybe, maybe I should drink some bourbon. Sure. Yeah. And you know, try to figure out the magic recipe gotta you gotta you gotta you got to up the ante. Yep. And and I come home. My mom had had this back surgery and she’d been she. Mom’s health was always bad. All our lives that matter. She pulled off as many years as she did, but I saw this bottle sitting in her bedroom and picked it up and looked at it in his prescription bottles. And it said for pain. Hmm, well, you know, I had some pain. Sure, yeah. And I shook out to about two pills of each one bottle each bottle to um, there’s two big pills and two little pills. I didn’t read the labels any further than that and put them in my pocket. But Matter of fact, what I did is I took the two small ones right now. And I put the two big ones in my pocket. And in about 45 minutes later, no pain. The world was okay. I actually have photographs of that night. At this time. My wife is working night shift. She’s a nurse working weekends, only night shifts, so she could make full time pay working just nights. And then she could be home with the kids all week and I’d be home with them in the weekend. Well, there’s a picture of the party that night with the kids and I had, you know, bandanas tied around their heads and do rags answer and what I found out later is that was too oxy cotton 40 something I’d taken

Brandon Handley 17:03
40 milligrams is that Yeah, that was just saying,

Dan Reeves 17:05
Yeah. Is that little or a lot? I don’t know. It was a lot for me. And they would do just one would do just about anybody. Sure.

But I didn’t know that then. And, you know, in the world righted itself and grabbed a couple, you know, the next night, Saturday night I took the other take. And although they weren’t what last night was they did just fine, sir. And, you know, there was a time when my drinking wasn’t every day, and I would just drink on the weekends. And what I say is that that collapsed on me. I started whereas, you know, it just the disease progressed, and I was drinking every day before long and the same thing with the pills.

Brandon Handley 17:45
I like how you kind of phrased it last time when you and I were talking right? You know, just dis ease, right? Yeah. I think it’s really I think it’s really important to kind of state it like that, right? Because if we and if we Look at disease in of itself. That’s something that kind of never goes away. And this is just me, right? Like, I’m not part of a program or anything like that. But if we if we take it and break it apart like that, right, we disaggregate that word and we say dis ease. We know that we are in a place of discomfort, right? Is that what you’re saying? I mean, yeah,

Dan Reeves 18:22
I am on but also believe that this thing is a

Brandon Handley 18:26
pervasive?

Dan Reeves 18:27
Yes, I do believe this is a lifelong thing for a guy like me. I don’t think that’s the case for everybody. But But for me, and you know, and I’ll throw something else out there, man, I’ll sell you this solution in any manner, you’re willing to buy it in, you know what I mean? So, sometimes that disease works for somebody and sometimes it doesn’t. And if you reject that premise, well, then I’m okay with that. Right. So I have a tools that will help you get better. Yeah, they just will. It isn’t really making a difference, whether it’s going to be better if you believe that this works for you, but it’s not Not necessarily a requirement but I do like that. You know it is it’s a dis ease. I am not okay with it myself. Right, right. I’m not at ease. I’m not sure that does bring it down to fundamental stuff. But I just like not comfortable my own skin, right? I don’t feel like I fit in with you. Alright. So I got three girls. My daughter and two girls stayed the night last night and they distract me over there to my right. So it did it did throw me off a little bit. Sure. But my my using stuff started collapsing. I mean, the same thing happened with the pills, so and so next weekend, I grabbed a couple more. It was just a weekend thing for a while. And they collapsed on me to where I needed these things every day. So I started getting with my doctor, I started doing other kind of things in order to get them. And if I came to your house and you had some you didn’t have anyone I left. So you go through all the relatives and you go Through all that, and when that ran out on I started going in people’s houses I didn’t know that is called burger Lee.

Brandon Handley 20:09
I mean, this whole thing advances while and you’re still working,

Dan Reeves 20:12
you’re still fully functional. Again the video the video did not match. Yeah, no, I’m just I was doing your right I just want to track

Brandon Handley 20:19
it right he’s tracking it right because I mean you’re you’re you’re going to work you’re a guy that’s getting sent internationally to get things done. Yep. And and you know that’s that’s that’s what everybody’s seen

Dan Reeves 20:31
yeah send me to Singapore to Korea we had offices in Thailand we you know I’ve been all over the globe with that company trusted to go do my job. Meanwhile, under the surface is this other dude it’s like almost you know it’s like two distinct personalities going on.

Brandon Handley 20:48
I’m just curious kind of like did you ever kind of decide what the underlying like primary pain was that that kept it going?

Dan Reeves 20:58
I do call it the disease of alcohol. That’s just what we say in our deals. It’s it would be like, and it’s just for simplifying terms. I’m not sure that it’s really right. Okay, but I do know that there are some kind of mental instability in me that unless I am doing something to treat that actively, I’m just not okay.

Brandon Handley 21:20
Okay. Yeah, yeah, look, so let’s move on to that. Right. Like I mean, so look, I think I think the story is like, you got in deep, right the story is you got in deep you were in the grip You know, you’re raising a family. You’re doing all the you know, theoretical exterior, right things your interiors getting leggy. But like, you know, there comes there comes a spot where like, I think I talked about like, hitting rock bottom right, like, I don’t think you always have to to get better. But you had a rock bottom moment.

Dan Reeves 21:53
Yeah, I did. You know, and I actually had two of them that I’ll speak quickly. One of them was in 2011 when this thing finally Ended up being enough and my marriage was getting Rocky and and that was a catalyst kind of event that this this dis ease in my marriage was becoming an issue and and I went to I called a doctor told me I couldn’t claim with my wife and told her what was going on and and sought help for the first time in 2011 and then not and I went to a detox center and got some help and dove into a and and what I say now is that was basically that week that event was basically off of a bad weekend. Because all it was was just a bad weekend. No big deal. I said I had a year of sobriety and I sat down on my tools thinking I was okay that I could move forward without this. Yeah. I didn’t really think it but I still

Unknown Speaker 22:51
have a lot of beer again.

Dan Reeves 22:53
Well, I stayed sober during that time and then slowly after I put down my tools, I remember my my My wife at that time was into herbal medicines and stuff and she had like these cheap vodka and brandy and stuff that she would soak like herbs and stuff into making tinctures. That’s right. Yeah. And I looked over there one day when I was getting ready to pay the bills and and I look over there because I know that cabinet right there was the one that they were sitting on and there was a bottle of vodka and bottle of brandy there and I went and got a Dixie cup of all things and thought I would just have a drink. well lit up this thing that we call the phenomenon of craving, which is once I put some in me, I’m not really going to be able to stop and a lot of people think that means tonight well I had a Dixie cup or two that night not stopped. But you know, a couple nights later look like a good, you know, and in the ball started rolling again. I ended up having that Marriott lost that marriage ended up in divorce. And my whole world just started crumbling. You know, after that, to that point to where and by now I’m breaking it out of steel and pills and I got caught a couple times by friends

associated people that knew me a little bit. Mm hmm.

And of doing the deal where I would take them out of your house, and those people let me off the hook on my promise that I would go seek help. I never did, right. But then finally I ended up getting into a house and I’ll tell this story as fast as I can, you know, sit here one night with a new girlfriend after coming back from Thailand. Now the thing you know, my sobriety dates didn’t really I had an international sobriety date and domestic sobriety date, you know, when, when the cat’s away, he’s gonna play soccer pretending to be sober during this time. You know, I’m sitting here with a new girlfriend. My kids are here in the house. her kids in house, they’re all in bed. I tell this girl I’m going to I’ll be right back. I walk out the back door, go around the corner. It’s dark. I go across the house because the old man across the street always had medicine that I like to have. And, and, and over time, they were on to me. Matter of fact, I’ve been continent house. Before, six months earlier, and I went over there and opened up the door, walk in their house while it’s occupied their home, go back in his bedroom, where he is sleeping, reach in a dresser drawer, get to the medicine, shake out a handful. And when I turned around this time, there was a shadow standing there with a baseball bat and pepper spray. And he put this pepper spray four inches from my face and blasted it and lit into me with a ball bat, man. I got away. Wow. I wrestled by him and got out. He spent that night run in the streets not knowing what to do. I took off or in a different direction from my home. He knew who it was obviously. I come back to my house at around two o’clock in the morning and to see all the lights on in my house. I went around the side house looked over there. My parents car was in the driveway and so was that girl’s car. I didn’t expect that girl’s car to be there. There was I lost all consideration for what was going on there during that time, you know, I was gone. What I found out was that that guy come over to my house and he had raked out two satellites and my windows and my door, he busted the window out in the door, he come in the house, he busted up everything that he could with the baseball bat. As he left in, my dad was over there, cleaning up the house. I sat down behind the pantry in my backyard and sitting there and I remember echoing over and over again, this, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? And I heard the back door open and close. And I looked up and there was my dad and he had two five gallon buckets and I didn’t know what he had at the moment. And he kept walking down the pathway that leads to where we set out the garbage. And I was trying to make myself as small as I possibly could so that he wouldn’t see me and, and I heard his voice say Damn. And I looked up and I said yeah, and he said, words that I will never forget. He said, Are you okay? Are you hurt? That is not what I was expecting to hear. Now, for my dad that actually is but because of what I was thinking of what I had done, those were not the words expected here. Next thing I know, I felt a hand on my knee and he sat down beside me and said, Come on, let’s go inside. Take a shower, hit the sack, and we’ll deal with this tomorrow.

Brandon Handley 27:15
That’s powerful, man.

Dan Reeves 27:16
That’s powerful. I tried to do that. And I came in and did that in the next morning. So let me finish this last little piece on this part. I come in the house. I went to bed I looked in teary eyes. My mother or my girlfriend. My kids did not wake up. The cops have been searching my house that night looking for me. My kids were spared that memory. They did not wake up as the cops for shining flashlights in our closets and under their beds. I woke up the next morning, I put that, that that girlfriend, my kids and her in my car and had them drive up the street so that if they got stopped, it wouldn’t be me and gotten her car. But before I did that, I got up, took a shower went back in the backyard, got under the rock where I’d left the handful of pills that I’ve got Before the night before, and took a half dozen of them and put the rest of them in my pocket and moved on with my day and that’s comes to show this there’s a blind in the book it says we couldn’t remember the the humiliation and the suffering of a week or a month ago, when we decided to drink again or decide to use again. And you know, I couldn’t remember the humiliation or the suffering of last night, right. The only thing I could think to do was put more pills in my body. Alright, so watch out for my arrest and that was well went down in a whole nother angle. Just cut to the chase on that I was looking at six to 20 years in prison. The scared to death I spent the next six months going TO to see the judge every month or every couple of weeks doing these pre trial things and seeing my lawyer my lawyer and the prosecutor in jail had me convinced I was going to prison for at least six years. And I met up with some dudes on a Tuesday night and and something shifted for me that night. And that was when I met my home group is this Underground, and that’s what the name of the podcast is after. Okay, walked into there and and and started doing one particular gentleman told me to do who is still my sponsor today. And I ended up getting sentenced to a year of home incarceration, a year probation and another year set on the side, set on the shelf, as we say, pending successful completion of those two. So what went from a six year to six to 20 year prison sentence, I ended up spending nine months on home incarceration and had time to do this work on myself and, and my trajectory changed forever.

Brandon Handley 29:36
For sure. For sure. I mean, you know, this is just super powerful. I love how your dad just kind of accepted you right in that situation.

Dan Reeves 29:43
He thought that my back always

Brandon Handley 29:45
Yeah, and I mean, that’s super powerful. Has somebody like that there for you,

Dan Reeves 29:50
you know, and he still lives with me, you know, he may walk by here.

Brandon Handley 29:53
For sure. You know, looking you know, you lost some relationships and if I recall correctly, you know, at that job that you thought you’re gonna have forever, that ends up kind of getting dissolved as well. Yeah. You know, but you know, you found yourself right? You found yourself amongst like some friends or at least some associates in the spiritual underground,

Dan Reeves 30:14
the alikom brothers, so okay really are they really are we I’m a tap on my phone away from Heaven help at my door if I need it. And, and I’m a tap away from providing help if somebody else needs it, I got

Brandon Handley 30:28
this, you know, so let’s talk a little bit about like kind of living this transform transform transformative life, right? Like I mean, cuz, you know, now you’re stepping into a new space, right? Like I made the joke about you know, 12 step program however, I really only know about two steps to that program. The first step is uh, you know, you kind of let go and and accept that there’s a higher power

Dan Reeves 30:55
right? First step is really, I have a problem.

Brandon Handley 30:58
Okay, first steps. You got a problem. Know the one stuff you got it you know you say hey there’s there’s a higher power is not just me and then like one of the one of the end steps is like spiritual awakening I’m like why skip the whole bunch of steps but yeah, you know let’s talk about like kind of what that journey is like I talked about maybe even some of the work that you did to get to where you are and how long you so if you don’t mind me asking Dan over

Dan Reeves 31:21
five and a half years so January was my five year

Brandon Handley 31:24
modulations man thank you that that’s a it’s a lot right and it’s a whole different life. Let’s talk about like kind of the the journey though to, to, to me it’s I feel like it’s liberation and freedom when you no longer have to observe like that the whole that those things have not necessarily observed. But like break those addictions right? Well once you once you have something else to do then to keep running back to those things that have a hold on your grip on you. You’re free to go live a whole Another life, right? Yep.

Dan Reeves 32:02
Yeah, you know,

I like to say, you know, do this say it enough a lot came into the rooms of recovery, the 12 step recovery to try to they told me I was spiritually sick. I thought that meant that they I thought they were dogging on me because I wasn’t going to church I had no religion to the process and an awesome sponsor and have a great bunch of me and I came to understand that my actual spirit my essence my very being had been sick and and morehow got sick and was from living this thing called life and not in my case and not a real healthy way. You know, you don’t you don’t pick up good tools on the path I was on.

Brandon Handley 32:42
Definitely mentioned tools several times to what are some of the tools right,

Dan Reeves 32:46
yeah, so that’s what this 12 step program gave me was some tools to work in. And I’ll also say that, you know, we’re now in the Louisville Kentucky area in replace, we’re offering this to people who are not necessarily addicts or alcoholics if they want some concrete tools. To do so, you know that you know, and there’s a lot of people a lot, there’s quite a few people Brasil brands, one of them is taking the 12 steps and kind of molded in his way, but it’s just really the same thing. You know, instead, I got a problem to solve, right? So I got a problem, there’s nothing before gone, right? I mean, unless I have something to work on, you know, if I don’t have something, then once there is a fix, you know, don’t break, you don’t fix something that ain’t broken. So I got to come to some understanding that this is actually a problem. Number two, that step two says, basically, you know, it says some, you know, there’s some pretty flowery 30 language and that’s one of the things that’s kind of blocks people but just coming to believe that a power greater than yourself can restore you to sanity. So there’s some funny language in that that says, you know, this power grid are so everybody defaults on God, right. So, what I like to say is that, you know, when I use the word God, I am saying it, just like Kleenex, you know, if you asked me for a tissue, and I hand you a box, and there’s tissue sticking out of it, you’re not looking on the bottom to see if they came from Meyers Kroger’s target or whatever. You know it. Kleenex it’s like saying Coca Cola. It’s like saying, you know, any other name brand thing. It’s just an easy word to use whatever that means to you, man, that should be your inner spirit as power greater self can come from inside it can be a more of a universal thing you might be nature could be music, it could be who knows what So, you know, I always like to get over the block. Yeah, I’m not doing this because you’re talking about God to me.

Brandon Handley 34:24
Yeah. Well, you know, anytime some business God like 99% of people, you know, especially in the Western Hemisphere, think that you’re, you’re saying you’re saying, the Christian God, right, the Christian God, Jesus God, God, the God that molest all these people, right, you know, and that’s a shame, right? Because now you’re holding yourself back from the possibility of accepting that higher power simply over your own beliefs of what that is, right.

Dan Reeves 34:51
So, you know, it says, Do you believe there’s a power that can help you to believe there is a way that power for my new sponsee is made

Unknown Speaker 35:00
You know, sure that hey,

Dan Reeves 35:02
do you think I can help you? Sure. You know, here’s where I was, here’s where I am. Do you think that it can happen for you? So it’s just coming to believe that you can get some help, is believing that you can get help necessary. Probably not required, but it does help if you’re, if you’re a willing participant. Then step three is saying, okay, man, I’m willing to have some help. That’s to help me step. You know, again, everybody gets hung up in this turn your will over will in life over the care of God. That’s at 30 languages that that bill Wilson, the author of that stuff, you know, let’s just get over the language. It’s just words and stuff. Yeah, we grant these noises in column words, right? When we accept the meanings of them. If you’re blocked up by the words, I will use different things like that or disease earlier in disease, right? You know, I’m not gonna let this human language be the block to how I can help you for sure. So help me that’s three. So then we get into some concrete work, man and I do an inventory of my life and I sit down and write down things of everything we call resentments, but I’ll write down the stuff that’s happened to me and what’s made me who I am. Where we’ve been you talked about before about being programmed, right? That we get programmed by our life experiences. Well, then this inventory, we go look at that. And in order to get deprogrammed, I got to look at the programming. And I said, my, my life experiences, it’s happened to me, and what made me who I am. So we got some concrete tools on how in a real simple to this four step tool is pretty easy of going through and looking at that stuff, right? We look at three things. We look at resentments. We look at fears, we look at the things because most people run about unfair, we’re scared of this. We’re scared of that for sure. And and what we’ve done in our sex lives in our sex inventory, how we think about that, just because it’s such a huge basis on what we are as a being a human being, you know, yeah. So we look at those three things. And then we do a fifth step, which is I tell somebody about everything. When I sit down and talk to my sponsor and told him all my dirty secrets, a weight lifts off.

Brandon Handley 36:55
Yeah, I mean, there’s I think there’s some vulnerability there too, right?

Dan Reeves 37:00
concept of it

Brandon Handley 37:00
yourself in a say you’re putting yourself in a place where, you know, this person could easily come down on you for all the stuff that you’ve ever done how you’ve been condemning yourself for each and every one of those things like 1000 lashings for each and every one of those things for years now, probably. And when you come clean to somebody, like your sponsor, and then they say, what else cheese? You’re like, why didn’t I give you enough?

Dan Reeves 37:26
Yeah, there’s some big I mean, one of the big tools in that fifth step exercises. You know, I did that take me to man, you’re not alone. Yeah, we think we’re hiding down in the closet with all our own dirty secrets. Ultimately, you know, to some extent, we’ve all done similar kind of things, and it wouldn’t make any difference. I don’t think you could take the attic and alcoholic aspects out of it. We still got stuff that we’re you know, not particularly happy about that? We did. Sure. So we do that and we have a couple more tools or we asked this power that’s greater ourselves to help us get over it help us to help take this stuff away. We call them character defects and stuff though, basically you know and I don’t like that term too much either because I am not defective. Let’s take the stuff that the what the way I’m operating that I don’t like the things that I’m doing and the way I’m operating and I’m not okay with the things that no longer serve me. There it is. Universe please help me get rid of this stuff right help me start operating on a new plane sir now just Just let me run through it real quick. Well my my head’s on to is that and then we go out and the people that we have hurt the people that we’ve done stuff to the people I stole pills from the people that are treated, you know, in a poor way. I go back out and I face those freakin people, man and I and I do a man’s with him. And we have a very powerful recipe for doing that. We have some prep work and some different things so that we can do that in a powerful manner. And we have a thing called the ninth step promises that that are a very powerful bunch of statements of things like a fear of economic insecurity to leave you

Brandon Handley 38:55
scared scarcity mindset,

Dan Reeves 38:56
right. That’s just one of them. Yeah, fear. People will leave you if you don’t, yeah, you’ll start being able to do things you never thought were possible. And it all comes up from going out there and clean up the past because now I’m not walking this earth, worrying about seeing you. Mm hmm. Right? Now if I’m gonna walk around and surfing right now, I’m afraid if I’m a bump into you at Kroger’s, and I had that looking over my shoulder thing all the time, I’m looking over my shoulder you I can’t look at where I’ve been. I gotta look where I’m going. Yeah, that’s a nice step allows me to clean up that path where I don’t have to look over my shoulder anymore. For sure. In repairs relationships, too.

Brandon Handley 39:32
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, look, it’s at least kind of gets it off your mind. Right? Even if I mean that relationship. You know, you have the opportunity to go out there and you’ve got the opportunity. This is a kind of an exercise of courage, the right exercise of facing your fears and extra action. Right and and Jerry,

Dan Reeves 39:54
you’re not necessarily asking for forgiveness from them. So much as Kind of forgiving yourself for the actions you’ve taken. There’s, there’s a lot of that there’s a big piece of it is not really, you know, it looks like it’s between me and that person. Really not. It’s between me and my inner self, or I got it cleaned up on my end. And to be honest, if that person rejects this event and tells it go to hell and wish you drink yourself to death, for sure to have executed the action and gratitude as a successful thing. Yeah. The reaction to it doesn’t matter.

Brandon Handley 40:27
I love that. Yeah, I mean, look, we all adopt

Dan Reeves 40:29
what happens though.

Brandon Handley 40:31
So but but there is that idea that you know, that that that that can still happen and and an understanding that their non acceptance of that from you shouldn’t reflect on your genuine intent.

Dan Reeves 40:50
And it is so rare that that ends up happening with this formula. When you go to somebody with your heart and your hand and you own the stuff you did. And that’s really what people want, right? You want that person to own that they did that. Really that’s what I don’t even do apologies to people anymore I do amends with people I use that same formula no matter what. Even if it’s a total story not long ago I was not quite the person I wanted to be with a clerk at the convenience store that a couple of months ago I went sat in my car was getting ready to leave and I was like, man, I don’t like leaving that bad juju behind and so I was like, so I get up in there and just go Hey, I’m not the guy to cut saw a man ago. I don’t want to operate like that guy anymore. And I harmed you by by being a jackass here today was real bad. It wasn’t like I but and I owned it. I asked her if there’s anything she needs to say to me. Yeah, that a few words and got some things off of her chest. So she had a chance to verbalize her stuff. And and then I asked her for anything I can do to make it up you know, and she’s standing over there jaw open because she’s never had any my do that. And we fixed this little rift June 1 real quick and I mess around with that the rest of day either, right?

Brandon Handley 42:03
Yeah, that’s great, man. I mean, it’s kind of like a vibratory cleansing we’ll call it right like yeah, I would you leave that behind, right? I love the Rift, right? same ideas a rift, right? Like a Tear Tear and like the the universal fabric,

Dan Reeves 42:17
right? You know, and that’s another one of the things that I can leave behind me, you know. So part of this 1011 or 12 is starting to practice these principles in my life and doing these and using these tools that I just spoke of, and that 12 says having had a spiritual awakening as a result of doing that work doing those step work and going and cleaning out the cleaning out my past. Then I now to carry that and give these tools to other people. And I use these and Matter of fact, I did a fifth step with my sponsor, we actually did a back and forth two way fifth step yesterday over some issues that have been going on some stuff about how we feel about this whole COVID thing and the pandemic and some stuff about the where we were at personally with the the social equality issues going on in the world right now. And, and then we also had a little rift in the universe amongst our home group of guys. And so we had this little wad of undone business. So we applied these tools in inventory and wrote it out and then spoke to each other about it and we’ll walk those tools out in order to get that piece of our thing you know, so that’s the one that’s the area that I see with this 12 step tools that I don’t I haven’t found personally anyplace else is that I have some concrete active tools that are not like I have to go to South America and take some wasco or Yeah, I don’t have to I don’t have to like go to these big huge lengths I can do this work from my bedroom and if I need to, I can do this fist up over the telephone with somebody you know, so I can I can put these principles and these tools into effect in their head they’re just concrete. And and

I’ve never seen anybody do this work that said, I wish I didn’t do it.

I will make a broad statement to Say that it that I can guarantee you that it will bring some improvement to your being it’ll it’ll improve, it will bring some more to your life as a guarantee.

Brandon Handley 44:12
Let’s hit that what was the fifth step again?

Dan Reeves 44:14
This step is that where you speak to somebody about this stuff. I said that the step actually says submitted to myself to God and another human being the exact nature of my wrongs. That’s what the step says. Basically, it looks a little like a confessional, but it’s really not because you get feedback on it. And so that’s, that’s, that’s sitting down and talking to somebody about it. And you know, that’s where, you know, you would do that in the lifestyle if you have a coach, right, but not a problem. You got something going on? Well, you would sit down with this coach, and he would talk to him about it. So right, yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:46
yeah. I mean, it’s the same ideas like you know, just kind of there’s a blockage, right, you throw or even like, you know, hey, I there’s, I feel like there’s some bad juju back there, right, or, we’re up ahead or whatever. And you got to ask yourself, not only does it not Serve me anymore as like, how else can I see this? How else can this be seen? Because your perception, Dan, Camp ception may not be the group’s perception, you talk to your group. And so when you bring this out of the group, what’s the use you, as a group see things exactly the way you do? Or is it most oftentimes, kind of different right now like, crazy, that’s not feeling or thinking that sits in your head?

Dan Reeves 45:22
Right? That is exactly part of that step, Tim, where it says that we talked to somebody about it. And so you want to think I say, I can’t see me very well, I really can’t. I’d like to think I can see that I really can’t. So like when I got something going on like that, I bump it off, either my sponsor or my support group members, my brothers in this brotherhood and say, Hey, man, here’s what’s going on. You know, what, what, what’s your What do you see in this? So I’ll get another set of eyes to see me and then the flip side of that is, you know, they don’t see themselves. I always say this. I don’t see me very well. I actually don’t run my life very well at all. Got a guy who does right I got a guy that does a pretty good damn job of running my life. Nevertheless, that’s stretching it. He’s not running my life but he does a really good job of guiding me now that guy he don’t do so good with his life either. But he’s got

Unknown Speaker 46:13
a guy

Brandon Handley 46:16
is great. And we build

Dan Reeves 46:17
that, you know, so you know, his guys my guy also right? So I got that guy and I got this, you know, there’s a thing into the back of the into the toaster and back into the there’s 164 pages is the sacred text of the hugs and arms and 12 steps in the back of it. It says he will in speaking of this power power, but it’s using that old, masculine Christian odd language. He will help you create the fellowship you crave.

Unknown Speaker 46:43
Hmm, yeah, I

Dan Reeves 46:45
never knew, you know, I didn’t know because at some base level, when you talk about what it was that was missing, hmm. It was that connection with my people that was missing throughout that whole thing and by party didn’t drink and I could get that temporary measure. than temporary connection with these people so it was it was filling that in a point came where I got to where I couldn’t do that with people anymore you know either mountain being you know nobody else was doing it I gotten so bad that I was embarrassed to show my use at that level for sure now here I have this fellowship with these guys around me that I’ve said I’ve got this connection to a community now and it’s broader than just you know it’s a big it’s the ripple in a pond thing right I got my I got my sponsor and real tight in that circle sure by the where the pebble landed in the water right and outside that next ring is my support group I really close guys that out that I work with and talk to you on a day to day and that we meet up once a week and see each other if not more times and that the guys that come to the retreats the guys that we go out to eat with

Brandon Handley 47:43
and you’re running these retreats right there

Dan Reeves 47:46
yeah you know it’s never one of these miracles that happen yeah. And I was one year sober and I was not one year so right ankle brace it on in my group was going to a local florist to have a little day trip retreat they were going to do and they went and I couldn’t go because it’s out there. by the county so the ankle bracelet that goes on like a BP Yeah. Now they would let me go do my recovery stuff. They let me go to work, they let me do the things. Let me take my kids to scouts and my daughter might send the scouts my daughters to dance and they let me do that, but this was outside where I could go and they wouldn’t let me. And so the following the one of the things was is they had people run into them, and they kind of complained about that they weren’t in a private location. Well, 20 years ago, my dad my brother and I built a log cabin on 54 acres outside of town here about an hour drive away. And they were talking about having that retreat and how lack of privacy and you know, you get that nudge from above, and I’m like, Hey, I got a place right and and I had in 2016 I held my first men’s retreat. There you go. Yeah, this year was my seventh. So yeah, and and, and, and I say over and over, I don’t know how this happens. You know, it never was orchestrated. It wasn’t like I said, Hey, I’m gonna do this Sunday. No different than the spiritual underground podcast. I never did set site on saying Sunday. I’m going to be doing this podcast or I’ve got I’ve got a woodshop in the backyard that was manifested out of this recovery movement. Sure. It was manifested it like almost no dollars to me. Right? And how that happens, you know, I, but now I have this after losing that 28 year career. A year before I lost that job. We built this switch up. I got all these tools out there. I’m starting to make stuff for people outfit and doing little projects on the side for money. And that and lo and behold, you know, I say when when God built that cabin in 1999, I had no idea what he was doing. Now is where I take people to do fifth steps. Bring my guys down there we have these retreats, church Dan, and then they had no

jack that

we call it we call it the Fargo hug club. There’s a little town in Indiana called Fargo and I read write nothing more than to gravel roads crossing. Right. Greenside. They’re in a train they’re on every corner, but we call it Fargo Hunt Club all my buddies have become that think of it as a sacred place It really is. No it did. It was built on dope and booze I stood up on that log wall driving spikes down through the walls with the beer cans sitting on the log behind me more concerned with knocking the beer over then I was driving the spike if I wouldn’t Yeah, and now now it’s a completely different energy down there right oh pletely different energy you know and I got this switch shot back here where now I have this gig that allows me to put my you know, I went to mankind project you know, and they have you talked about a mission you know, and my mission is to create a world of healing recovery through guiding people to find their true true purpose with the 12 steps

Brandon Handley 50:43
Yeah, yeah look and and you’re doing it right now. Right so and one of the things that I hit on before I know you work on are your guys created 12 step book. Sounds like you’re heavily promoting it might be something you guys are doing and kind of Cahoots. But you you also did. You became a yoga instructor. So I get that correct. I mean, so

Dan Reeves 51:02
yeah, that’s another one of the things you know, my miracle list is is deep enough that if I don’t, when I was brand new, my sponsor said these things were happening to me that were of great nature. And he said, you should start writing that stuff down. Right? Because you’re going to forget it. Yep. And I started doing it nowadays. We’ll do a little thing you’ll go add that to the list. And yeah, so I became a yoga instructor. I was that list. What do you is that I called my miracle. I call it my miracle list. I just always have you know, could be also you know, there’s a tool out there called a gratitude list where when you’re feeling down, you write down all the stuff that’s good, all your gratitude, you know, it’s kind of long term gratitude lists where I can go back and look at these things that have, frankly, the universe has brought me to where I’m at right now. Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 51:45
Yeah, you must have something valuable left.

Dan Reeves 51:47
Why in the world what I believe is gonna drop me off here, right. So I begin to doubt it. The next thing I’m not going to be supported with, right? I go, you know, that can’t be, you know, I can’t do that. That’s beyond my abilities. Well, I’ll quick look at this guy. To list this miracle list, so tell me I look at what’s happened to date. What do you think it’s gonna stop? Yeah. So that, that that yoga teacher training thing was another thing some girl, you know, you know, that’s been our character defects is a essence I’ve been, since my marriage ended, certainly got no room for giving relationship advice, but a guy come into my life and she snuck me into a yoga class and She tricked me into going because she knew me I would make any reason not to do that, because that’s not masculine. I can’t do it. You know, I’m not flexible enough. I’m not you know, all the different reasons about why I couldn’t do that. And I fell in love with yoga and it became a part of my recovery. And that’s another thing that’s going on in the world is a combined 12 step recovery. Yoga thing that’s now combines the benefits of yoga with the benefits of 12 step philosophy and and gives you a little power punch through using those two tools. And now I coach people I’m working with to get into it because that exercise does something to me that I don’t Get from riding a bike or swimming or going to the gym. You can Oh, good

Brandon Handley 53:05
spirit. Right, right. Yeah, I mean look, I’m that that that’s all part of it right? I love it right? I love I love how you you know, you’re, you’re transitioning into this, this other being this authentic you right without without hiding underneath the pills without you know if you do have some self doubt you’re facing it with you know the stories that you’re telling yourself and reviewing the stories and looking at them in a different way instead of saying I’ll shoot ain’t gonna happen today I’m gonna have to have a beer All right, like they have today this year. And you know, you start to develop like these quote unquote, like healthier mechanisms of dealing,

Dan Reeves 53:46
right. Yeah, and it gives you that positive outlook to man I mean, it just means all the world to have these people around me we encourage one another my sponsor, they spend the biggest coach for me and encourage her from the beginning about you know, go for it day. Yeah.

Listen for it when you can do it, what can I do to help you do it?

Brandon Handley 54:03
That’s, that’s so important to right. So when you get that encouragement to go Be yourself. Alright? And when you get that encouragement that says, How can I help you? Right? You’re like, not only are you saying that I can and should go pursue this, but you’re willing to offer like assistance for that. Yeah, that’s powerful. Yeah. Now, tell me a little bit about the book you guys are using to apply to daily, like, you don’t have to be an alcoholic to use these tools.

Dan Reeves 54:35
Yeah. You know, kind of goes into you know, do you have to, you know, do you have to be from India to benefit from yoga, right, you know, I, we, one of the other premises and 12 step philosophy is, I gotta be able to, I gotta be willing to let go my own ideas. You know, we hang on to these camps and shoulds and it’s only this way and only those kind of people can do this, and we gotta let go of that stuff. So my sponsor was sober. He just said Alberta made 36 years at the 18 year mark, he had that feeling of, there’s got to be more. And he the universe provided and bumped him into some teachers. And his life changed with that many years sober from being this just not drinking dude to this plane that that I today get to benefit from. And so he had these teachers and he got this happen to him and he got to feeling like you know, you go around and this can cause a little bit of a rift but I’m comfortable speaking my truth today in this in this. A lot of recovery rooms is so so stuff going on in there. It’s not the level that we can get to. It’s a lot of there’s a lot of less than it could be recovery going on. And if you fall into those rooms, they’re just not very attractive when people are just struggling just to stay sober today. That becomes something you know that you know, we think Thank you and I you know if I’m like having a fight that hard at something, then somes not going, right. So he had all these tools and and it wasn’t documented. He wasn’t seeing it. And it’s not in that book that that book that bill Wilson wrote and released in 1935. Plus a lot of people rejected it 1935 language, right with that God hard hand, and other kind of thousand these and things like this that would cause a guy to inherently reject this stuff. So he put these tools down on paper and started writing this book about six years ago, modernizing the language and bringing forward obviously expanding the concepts of how to have what we call squeeze more juice out of this work, for sure. Yeah. And so he did that and he wrote a book and it’s called 12 step spiritual recovery. You can find it on Amazon author’s James Christopher Cohn. It is the 12 steps for anybody. He goes into showing how this you know without Coxon acts we pretty clear about this booze and dope, bringing us to our knees. You know Are you rejecting that premise? You’re not ready for help yet. But the normal person, what is it? You know, they needed to find what is that problem sometimes, you know, and that spiritual sickness thing is, is that, you know, frankly, our spirits get stepped on by doing this thing called life and it happens to our peer groups through our education through our parenting Archimedes this time do you find like, the kinds of ways

Brandon Handley 57:22
do you do find like the spirit really hasn’t been addressed? Right? Like, I mean, it’s good. Well, here’s the deal, though. Like, you know, do you remember any spiritual school like any spiritual class on spirituality from like, K through 12? Right, like, I don’t recall any No, I had some spiritual teachers walk through my life that

Dan Reeves 57:40
I couldn’t you know, what even said right, like so yeah, but even right, yeah, no, it’s a lack of exposure.

Brandon Handley 57:46
Right. And, and, and I think that even with the current western style church, is is that there’s, it’s very, here’s what you do. Here’s how They did it. But the application to the spirit doesn’t seem to be readily visible.

Dan Reeves 58:08
And it’s based on a lot of hope, you know, you got to just turn here, you know, just just hopeless, it’s going to work for you, you know, or this 12 step stuff actually gives you some tools and the action behind it. And I’m not so sure that’s the total effectiveness of the tools, although I know the tools are affecting the effectiveness may just be in that you’re doing something.

Brandon Handley 58:25
Sure. I mean, look,

Dan Reeves 58:27
you know, that you got off your ass and you’re doing something.

Brandon Handley 58:29
It doesn’t matter, though, right? Like, as long as you do get up and you get going, right, as long as you have just like you said, take some action and start leaning into it. I think that’s, that’s not too different than general coaching. It sounds like a lot of the tools are, you know, here’s what I’m finding more and more there’s overlap with the tools, right? It’s just how you apply them where you apply them when you apply them and all those things. So that’s what I say about the higher power thing and the tools and all that seems like a you know, everybody wants to be able to receive that gift but you need yours tablet to blue. Robin and Bill needs his with a green one and I need a wrap on on mine. It’s really all the same gift inside a box, you know, but it’s just got a little bit different colored ribbon on it and because it’s blue,

Dan Reeves 59:13
Brandon can accept it.

Unknown Speaker 59:14
Yeah, whatever reason,

Dan Reeves 59:16
cares why

Unknown Speaker 59:17
it’s the only color I see is blue.

Dan Reeves 59:18
Yeah. Because the further down the path I get, the more you do you start getting into alignment where you see you know, the Buddhist principles and stuff out of the Bhagavad Gita and, you know, and then even beyond, but for me, it’s big time growth when I start beyond actually peek into that Bible and seeing that those principles are there to you know, have to bridge that is also I actually what I get to do and that’s one of the things is that I always got this message and I’m not sure if it’s, I’m not sure if I took the message or if it was actually given to me. But I got this message that it was their way of highway kind of thing when any religion I would get into. I don’t know that I won’t say That’s true, but that’s the way I looked at it. We I can find a day man I get to pick and choose, I’d say through this trusted program. I get to go to Walmart Buy a brand new ball of playdough. And I get to come home and I get to form that thing up into what works for me and I get to build my own spirituality from scratch. And, and

and i think it works.

Brandon Handley 1:00:19
If it’s working for you, right, I think I think that it’s okay. One of the things that I kind of guess that I took away from a lot of these spiritual books and everything like that, is that if you just it’s just like anything else in life. If you just follow one, you’ll be cool. You probably just follow one. It’d be cool. If you just focus on kind of like one thing, no matter how small it is in life, you’ll be cool,

Dan Reeves 1:00:45
right? Yep, I didn’t start wrapping all these other ones and swinging them in until a little further down my path because the other thing that tells us tells me is to continue to seek. Yeah, continue to improve my conscious contact with whatever power it is that I’m getting hooked up with here. And in order to do that, I do that through yoga and I do that the man kind of do that for you in other books and I do that because when you mentioned a couple books to me on the podcast The other day I write the names of the books down because I didn’t think I got that message by accident.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:13
Hmm.

Dan Reeves 1:01:14
I’ll be open to looking and exploring this other stuff.

Brandon Handley 1:01:18
So you know, you’ve got the podcast going, you’ve got you know, somewhat of a movement going right you’re hosting events and

Dan Reeves 1:01:26
the 12 tips spiritual record, we call it TSS, or there’s a there’s a, there’s 12 steps spiritual recovery, calm, and there’s a Facebook page called 12 steps spiritual recovery. We’re hosting meetings here and lowered. They look a lot like 12 step meetings where anyone is welcome to come and try the 12 step tools.

Brandon Handley 1:01:42
Right, right. So is it t SSR? Calm?

Dan Reeves 1:01:46
Now it’s got that big old long thing. Okay. Make sure recovery.

Brandon Handley 1:01:50
Yeah, wanna make sure somebody finds it right. 12 steps spiritual recovery.com

podcast is a spiritual underground.org

Dan Reeves 1:01:58
Yep. They’re trying podcasts if you’re the website spiritual underground.org haven’t done as good a job keeping that up lately because I’ve got the little hit counter on it and just Matt in YouTube is two places where I’ve kind of invested some energy and decided that my energy hasn’t been really um actually think about redoing the website just put a link to the podcast you know put other put the Google Play and apple and the links on it and just let it be like that rather than put content but yeah, spiritual underground podcast is you know all all the major platforms that are out there Google Play, Spotify, Pandora, Apple anchor anchors the host

Brandon Handley 1:02:39
Yeah, no, I love it. I love it. And you know you’re putting out great content man. You’re helping people you got people reaching out to you from all over the world to thank you for kind of putting yourself out there and what you’re doing I thank you for you know, reaching out except in the conversations. You’ve mentioned some books I mean, what is what is what is like one or two books outside of of 12 step program obviously that have really impacted your journey. Hmm

Dan Reeves 1:03:07
one book is a journey into power is the Baron Baptist. He’s the

Unknown Speaker 1:03:13
he he is the

Dan Reeves 1:03:16
guru of the yoga style that I do is a power vinyasa Baptist style power. vinyasa is called journey into journey into power is what it’s called. And it goes through a lot of lifestyle stuff. It’s not just a yoga book it’s about what your diet is, you know you are what you eat to some extent you can’t go put crappy fuel in your body and expect it to run good. I can’t put crappy gas in my car expected to run good. He talks about meditation and and different things. So that was a that was definitely a big one. And you know, something that really turned my corner on the way I look at spirituality was there’s Oh, oh preacher called him at Fox and his sermon on the mount, which you know, no I want to reject that book because of its western. For me for Dan, want to reject that because it was based on Jesus words in the New Testament and the Sermon on the Mount and most people heard about that. But he shed a new light on what those things could mean for somebody rather than the meaning I had absorbed. So out of two books that probably shift my foundation. Those two things, that girl that snuck me into yoga bought me that journey and the power book before I ever two years before I ever thought about taking yoga teacher training. And I sat down and read that book, and I still am amazed a diver sat down and read that book. There was no reason I wasn’t really interested in yoga. Hmm. But I wonder like, you get a better read this my girlfriend gave it to me. I don’t know. But it did it. It changed me.

Brandon Handley 1:04:52
Hmm. I love it. I love it. You know Is there anything else that you know again, you know, we get through tail end here. That if you feel like anybody should hear out there, right? So if somebody made it to the end of this podcast, what else did they hear for today?

Dan Reeves 1:05:10
Let me tack that on this sort of little bit about the podcast. Where did the podcast explore how people come to find themselves? We call it recovery. To me recovery is to reclaim or reclaim that which was lost or stolen. That’s a definition I had found. And that’s in the process spiritual recovery stuff. So to in I heard your guests today, listen to your podcast. You know, I think this common theme is is that we’re trying to get closer to what our true selves are right. And there’s a bunch of avenues to do that. My roots come from 12 step recovery. I do believe that it will work for you regardless if you’re addict or alcoholic or just want some new tools in your life. What I do the podcast is have people come on and talk about their journey to how they found themselves or are moving. Yeah, I hesitate to say that max like found myself, but I’m closer than I used to be. And I’m on a journey of finding myself. Majority of it is that I think the big thing is, is that when you hear that other people have done it, especially in this podcast type of environment where you actually just hear these people’s voices and you hear the passion and in them about what, what has happened for him. That translates into hope for you that it can happen for you too. Beautiful, I love those voices. So that’s what I try to bring out what the podcast is that you said. It’s not really for me, it’s, if we can only touch one person with this podcast, and that person decides, hey, I want to be a better version of me. Then, then we then our mission is completed today.

Brandon Handley 1:06:46
And thank you so much for popping on. They really appreciate it, brother.

Dan Reeves 1:06:49
Thank you, man.

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