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Keith Gilmore is a writer, speaker, and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He is the co-founder of Texture Life Coaching, one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country.

Connect with Keith over at https://www.texturecoaching.com/ or https://keithgilmore.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited in his thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:41
One. Hey, there’s spiritual. So we are on here with Keith Gilmore, this is round two. We’re giving it a second shot. And Keith is a writer, speaker and coach. He writes primarily on culture, ethics, psychology, spirituality, philosophy, and psychedelics. He’s the co founder of texture life coaching, and one of the top ranked psychedelic integration coaching programs in the country. So glad that you could join us today. Happy to be here, Brandon, he had an amazing answer earlier. So we’re gonna see if you can double down on it when we were trying to a different platform. You know, the question being that we are all source or seek through us is gonna be like an amazing connection through Keith from source to you. And it can only happen like this one time, Keith, what is that? What is that this come through today?

Keith Gilmore 1:34
Yeah, so I’m looking to talk about the psychedelic Renaissance that’s happening right now. And what I see is happening is that these things, the psychedelics are reemerging into the cultural consciousness in a way that is speaking to exactly what we need to hear, at this time, in our lives, where things are so disconnected, people are so islanded, there is so much strife and tension. There’s a feeling of kind of being lost at sea that people are largely experiencing. And it’s because of a lot of things, but because our world, there’s so much going on, there’s so much information, there’s so much confusion. And I believe the psychedelics are re emerging right now right on time, to help us to make sense of what’s going on to help us to reconnect to one another as human beings, and to help us to allow us to kind of see what we’re not seeing right now.

Unknown Speaker 2:48
That’s cool.

Brandon Handley 2:49
So what do you what do you think that we’re not seeing right now? What’s like one of those things that we are not seeing right now, just psychedelics allow us to see.

Keith Gilmore 2:58
Yeah, I think in my opinion, fundamentally, that thing is we are not seeing one another as our brother and sister undergoing this journey as human beings, arm and arm to gather facing the unknown to gather, and were seeing because of, again, a lot of reasons. But because of the state that our culture is in, we’re seeing one another as you know, enemy or maybe a tentative ally, or just as people who we can’t trust we can’t put our faith in as someone who’s going to stand side by side with me to face what’s coming face, you know, the continued craziness that’s unfolding in the world.

Brandon Handley 3:58
So I mean, it’s I guess a limiting some barriers that we put up is what I’m hearing, right. And it’s allowing us to connect and bond at a certain level that we’re not saying available to us at this point in time, and just establishing some type of trust link to experience this human condition together. Is that what I’m kind of hearing you say?

Keith Gilmore 4:26
Well, third, yeah. And I would add to that, just that it, it allows us to have that trust link with ourselves to because the psychedelic experience allows us to see ourselves without all of the trappings of culture without all of these lenses through which we’re viewing ourselves and really dig into like, Okay, this is what’s going on with me. This is the source of, you know, my issues right now. It gives you this site to yourself, that with compassion and with generosity, you’re able to see kind of what’s really going on with you. So that each of us can carry that out into the world. And through our own personal transformation, the shifting of the tides begin to happen.

Brandon Handley 5:24
So, you know, from personal and past experience spent a long time, but um, it’s kind of like a, you just like you’re saying, There’s, there’s no, there’s no hiding from yourself. Right? There’s, there’s no, there’s no way, you know, which, which I think you can which, which is easy to happen with drinking with alcohol with other substances, right, where you can shut off these these pieces of yourself very easily and escape, right. Whereas with the psychedelics, like you’re saying, like, you’re fully exposed, right, you’re fully exposed. And I think that what you’re saying is really important, too, right? You’ve got to have someone there, or there’s has to be this kind of this, this compassionate setting. Right? I think on your site, too, you mentioned and we’re gonna jumps out in a minute, but like, because there’s the potential for this thing to go sideways real fast. And do some damage? Yeah, yeah. no worse than any other mental damage that we can experience. Right. But like, it can, it can certainly be damned a damaging experience, if you don’t have that, that space created for yourself. And you don’t have some of the things that you talked about, like, on your site with going in there with a good intention with having almost a game plan. Right? Like, what are we going to do here today? How is this whole thing going to go down? Right, so so I appreciate I appreciate how you’ve illustrated again, that idea that well exposure to yourself, like I didn’t know that was even still here, type of thing happening. Right? So let’s talk a little bit about, you know, textured life coaching, and how you ended up where you are today? What brought you into coaching? What brought you into spirituality? What brought you into the whole psychedelic realm? If you don’t mind? Sure,

Keith Gilmore 7:14
yeah. So my personal journey and my personal spiritual journey, I kind of, in my teens and early 20s, I kind of had this approach to life into my perspective of religion, my perspective of spirituality, where I was just kind of anti, that what what I thought that had to offer. Because I saw kind of the ways that people could be and were being hindered or harmed by religion. And really, in reflection, I think what I was bristling against was more like strict dogma. Whereas the religions that utilize psychedelics, in their ceremonies, and just in the kind of texture of their ex religious experiences, it’s more of this embodied feeling of I am going through this. And like you’re mentioning, I, I’m in this container of support. But it’s not just here is a litany of rules, you need to follow it, here’s this experience, you are traveling through it, you’re experiencing it. And it’s embodied that way. It’s not just something written in a book, which, you know, as I’ve grown, as I’ve developed my own relationship with spirituality, I am able to see value in the teachings of all religions. But kind of my, you know, crowbar in the door, let’s say, to the spiritual dimension was initially through reading and connecting with the teachings of the Buddha, and then through discovering psychedelics, and that was just kind of a dynamite blast, opening the hatch. But, and that led me to realizing that I needed to be working in the domain of psychedelics, helping people to navigate these experiences, helping people to figure out how to approach them, how to bring something back with them that they can utilize in their continued self understanding. So it’s something that is very important to my own personal journey, as well as how I see things unfolding in the world. I see This as a method for, like you mentioned earlier, the the idea of source for connecting to source for connecting to the ineffable in a way that’s embodied. That’s not just someone telling you something. It’s you experiencing something. And I think that alone has a lot of transformative potential.

Brandon Handley 10:24
For sure you use the word that I’m a big fan of myself earlier. numinous. Right? There’s this feeling of Numinous you. I know, I shared it with my audience, but like, What’s that? What’s that feeling mean to you? Like, when you say, this feeling of newness and describe, I think a little bit of your way of helping people integrate this experience into their everyday I wrote down the whole of life, like because, right, you, you go through, you go through this experience, you’re like, wow, like, this is what life is supposed to be like, and then you’re like, I gotta be at work, like nah, dude. You know, I mean, you know, and, and sometimes it’s a real challenge to go back into the container, like a different container, right? Here we are in this container support and like full mind expansion. And, you know, I’m guessing like an area of like, acceptance and support, and there’s like, this release, probably, that your clients are, you’re feeling right, and then they’ve got to go back into the dungeon. So how do you help them navigate that? Right?

Keith Gilmore 11:33
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, that’s well put. And I think that there’s a few things there one, the experience of the numinous of the ineffable of that which you can’t speak of, because there’s no words for it is it It feels like you’re connecting to something that is just so much greater than yourself. And then as you’re describing, you come back from that experience, and you go back into the environment, that you were previously living in the same apartment with the same pilot clothes in the corner, the same cubicle at your office with the same, you know, person you work next to who gets on your nerves, and so on and so forth. And that creates this dissonance, and, or it can, it doesn’t have to, which is why I do this work, which is helping people to figure out how to integrate the experience. So by integration, we just mean, you know, kind of weaving it into the fabric of their life. So it’s not this, okay, I had this crazy, wild experience that is over here. And then my life is over here. And it’s just how do I keep both of these things in my mind, it’s actually bringing them together. So that the lessons you may have learned, the understandings you may have derived, the memories you may have on Earth, whatever it may be, the actions you feel like you need to take, whatever it may be, you bring those in, and again, embody them, so that you can go out into the world and bring that higher understanding, bring that feeling of connection to something that’s greater than myself, and go out and live in such a way that you’re kind of communicating through your actions through your being too everyone around you that, that feeling that that feeling of the numinous that there’s something more here, and I’m through doing this work on myself, I’m healing myself so that I can go out into the world and kind of be an agent of healing. So it’s really helping people to take the experience, and help them to live from that higher place that they were touching on. So it’s not merely going back to the cubicle and nothing changing. Maybe you go back to the cubicle, and you actually understand this person who gets on your nerves better. And so you can, you know, build a relationship or work on something in yourself that that’s pointing to, or whatever it may be. Yeah, for sure. Right.

Brandon Handley 14:52
Yeah, I love the idea of weaving it into the fabric of their lives as well as, like you said, there’s this there can be this dissonance Right, and trying to help them to come back and bring that with them in the idea that they are this agent of healing, like you’re saying, the one thing that I think that, um, is a challenge for the spiritual community that I’ve seen is a, you know, there’s this whole idea of, let’s get rid of the ego, right? But then there’s this whole, there’s also this other terminology like, well, I’m my higher self right now. So you guys can all go fuck yourselves, right? Like, I mean, I’m good over here, bro. Like, I’ve reached a plateau. And you’re all beneath me. Right? So I mean, how do we? How do we soften that? How do we change? Like how that comes across? Have you? How have you been able to do that in your practice?

Keith Gilmore 15:49
Yeah, that that can be a tricky thing, where, you know, you have this experience of you can call it God or connecting with God. And then some people will come back and internalize that and say, Oh, I must be God. And, you know, that’s an extreme way of putting it. But this is, I think, potential pitfall. And, honestly, I think that the way to address that is, is like anything to approach the experience with a curious humility. So, you know, I could have a experience a psychedelic experience, and get all these major downloads and feel like I understand how things work. And I need to go out and tell the world and, and, you know, that’s in that state. Again, it’s an ecstatic state. So you’re excused for acting for thinking, however, however, you may be thinking or acting, but then to take that and to say, I know better than you. I’m gonna, you know, be up here on this cloud and look down on you. That’s, I would say that is actually a result of not integrating the experience, or not integrating it properly. For sure. For sure.

Brandon Handley 17:21
So, you know, let’s say again, let’s say I come to you for a session, right? What’s this? What’s that going to look like? Walk me walking through the approach and what I could expect by having this experience with you?

Keith Gilmore 17:36
Yeah, yeah. So you know, I recently started working with a client, and he let me know that, hey, I’m going to this Iowa Oscar ceremony in three weeks. And I want to be prepared. I did one a few years ago, and didn’t have any integration. And so I don’t feel like I got as much out of that, or brought as much out of that as I could have. And so for me, that’s right there. That’s a lot of information to work with. Okay, this, this retreat is coming up soon, within the next three weeks, there is experience in the past that you’ve had. And you recognize that there was maybe a way you could have approached that where you would have gotten more from it. And so from there, it’s me, kind of inquiring of, well, what is your intention in doing this? Why are you doing this? And I think that’s a big part of the integration process. That, again, people can think of integration as this is something that happens afterwards, once I come, come back, come down. But ideally, you’re it’s kind of enveloping the whole experience, and you’re kind of pre loading it as well. And having clear intentions for why you’re going to undertake this journey is extremely helpful, because that can kind of guide the whole thing. And it can be anything it can be, you know, I want to see where I’m going wrong in my relationship. I want to understand something from my past. I want to work through trauma that I have. It can just be as kind of broad as I want to see what I’m not seeing right now what’s holding me back. But going in with that intention, that allows that kind of plants a seed, and over the next few weeks up to the journey and then within the journey. itself, especially, you’re kind of growing this tree that will hopefully bear fruit. And I also I like to tell people which, you know, it’s not my idea, but that intentions are helpful and good. And even important, but expectations are not helpful and may actually hinder you. So to go in and say, I’m gonna, you know, I’m going to heal this particular trauma that happened when I was 10 years old, and you go in, and maybe you the, the experience is confusing, or maybe, you know, you find out that there’s way more work to be done. And so you come out of it, and maybe you think, Well, why did I just do that I didn’t get what I wanted. Because you’re gonna get I believe you’re gonna get what you need to see. Not necessarily what you want to happen.

Brandon Handley 21:06
For sure, for sure. I mean, you know, going into it with the intention. I think that that’s super important, right? The idea is, you call it a seed, and I love the abraham hicks fans, but I’ve listened to her for a little bit, but uh, see, she calls it kind like pre paving, right? Go ahead and clear the pathway. But like this is, this is where I plan to go, this is just setting the intention. And that’s going to be my direction. And to release those expectations are super important. If you go in there, and you’re so hyper focused on this thing that you want to have happen, and it’s not happening for you. That can be you know, that can be something that you’re attached to, as you’re going through it. Right? Well, no, Buddha said, don’t do that. We all know, we all said, you know, we all we all know that attachment is the source of suffering. So to your point, your what is necessary for you to see will present itself. I’m gonna go hit and hit and miss on that one, just with the idea that you surround yourself with people that are supportive, right? Make sure I mean, would you talk a little bit about making sure that you’re in the right mental state and like, hey, if you’ve had a really shitty, like, run up to this, maybe that’s a bad idea, right? Like, maybe you’re not in the right mental state for this. Now, have you had that happen? I mean, talk to me a little bit about how you handle somebody like that, or just making sure that they are ready for this.

Keith Gilmore 22:42
Yeah, that’s a great point to bring up. And the classical, but don’t ask me how I now the classical wisdom is, of course set and setting, which is your mindset going into it, and the setting in which the experience is going to happen. And so, to your point, what you’re bringing up, if you’re in a state of chaos in your life, you know, your wife just left you you’re just got fired, or, you know, whatever it may be, that may be an ideal time for a journey. But it may not be it may be that you’re not, you don’t have two feet on the ground. And so you might enter this space, and, you know, it could just kind of, you know, create a really tough time for you. So, going in approaching it, again, I like to think of it as kind of curious humility, where I’m going and curious about what may happen. Rather than like, I need to fix this right now, I’m going to turn to this thing that I’ve heard, cures depression that I’ve heard, you know, heals people, this. So I’m just gonna jump into this, when really, it’s much more nuanced than that. And it’s, and it’s quite complicated. And so having the right mindset, which, you know, I think, can be cultivated by any any number of ways through having a coach or through meditation practice or through working with a therapist or just knowing yourself listening to yourself and hearing that internal voice say, I’m ready. And then the setting piece is, you know, there’s a reason that historically, in the kind of indigenous practices, these these experiences are had in a Sarah emoni and because of ceremony, there’s someone to lead the ceremony a shamanic type person that understands the domain and the terrain. There’s other people there to support you, there’s this feeling that I’m participating in something greater than myself. So this Dan edge, maybe that’s not necessarily accessible to you. There are, of course, firewall SCA retreats you can go to, and there are various kind of underground workers who guides or sitters who will sit with you. And again, understand the terrain, understand what to do if things get hard for you. But even just having a friend who has a little experience, sit for you, while you’re going through this, just so you know, okay, I’m in a place that is safe, my doors are locked, there’s not going to be any surprises, my phone is off, I don’t have to worry about anything logistical, because I have this person here that can refill my water bottle, or that can even you know, give me a hug if I’m having a really tough time or whatever it may be. But, again, creating that container, so that it’s not just you flying out in space. And it’s maybe unfortunate that a lot of people their first experience of psychedelics is when they’re really young, and maybe it’s in a chaotic space, like a music festival. And there’s, you know, people drinking and chaos and all of this around them. And some people, you know, I don’t, I don’t knock any particular way of approaching these things, as long as it’s done with with attention and care. But I think a lot of people tend to get into bad situations, because their environment is not controlled. It’s It’s too chaotic. So just having the container again, the the feeling of safety, and knowing that there’s not going to be any surprises, is that that alone is invaluable.

Brandon Handley 27:35
100% Yeah, nothing you’re saying here that I disagree with. I’m not the specialist. So, um, the the idea, though, that I love. So I mean, I’m gonna just kind of roll it back a little bit, you know, when you’ve got like this indigenous setting, right? You’ve got a column, like a grand master spiritual leader, right? That that is staying there in front of you, that alone is going to bring a whole new level to your experience being being there with somebody that you know, is experienced, that is completely tied into this ritual. It’s quite literally in their blood. And, and I call it like a collective that community around there’s a support what you’re going through. And I think that that’s super important. I think that’s really awesome that you’re, you know, creating this space, so that you know, somebody’s first experience. I think a couple of things like when you’re younger, I don’t know that you really got the capability to speak, what you’re given in that experience, to the level that you’re delivering, right to make it a useful exercise, to be honest with you. Right, like, I mean, I do have a question, though. Is there like, do you have a certain level of experience that you suggest the people that you work with, or is it you’ll take somebody on that’s this would be their first time?

Keith Gilmore 29:03
Yeah, it to me, it doesn’t matter as long as again, the as long as you’re approaching it with the proper care and respect that I think it deserves. It doesn’t matter if you have no idea you maybe just read my Michael Pollan’s book, and you’re curious or if you’ve sat in 100 Iosco circles.

Brandon Handley 29:29
Should I be reading Michael’s book?

Keith Gilmore 29:32
I mean, I think it’s a good primer to understanding the psychedelic Renaissance and some history.

Brandon Handley 29:39
I yeah. use that as a recommendation. Okay. Um, were you know, just Is this something that you offer in person only or what is the what’s your, who should be reaching out to you like, who should be contacting you? Who’s your ideal client?

Keith Gilmore 29:57
Yeah, again, anyone who’s curious Curious humility again, our Yeah, anybody who is curious and wants to take it seriously take the prospect of their own healing of becoming more in tune with their higher self, of understanding more of what they should be doing or how they should be acting in the world. or wanting to address certain things that they feel like are holding them back. But yeah, I, you know, since the COVID situation, all of my coaching has been been done remotely anyway. So, yeah, I

Brandon Handley 30:41
guess found things different over there in Oregon, you know. So, you know, if I was to get all marketing on you, right, like, if I was some marketing coach, and I asked you for like, the elevator pitch, you know, what would that be? What do you have one?

Keith Gilmore 30:55
An elevator pitch for the integration coaching.

Brandon Handley 30:59
That’s right.

Keith Gilmore 31:00
I don’t have one, but I could throw one together.

Brandon Handley 31:03
Yeah, I’m just curious. Right? Like, I mean, because it’s it for me, I get it, man. Right. Like, I’ve been there. I’ve been through it, and I get it. But for the person that hasn’t been like, it can be a challenge. Because sometimes it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s so a theory. Right? And they want to grasp it. And it’s just right outside of their grasp, right. But so what would you say your specialty is with this, right? Like, in terms of the challenges that people are facing? Where’s your specialty, just to be there as a guide to help them get through this experience. And I like in, I liken psychedelics to kind of like the rotor router of the mind or that door, you’ve been trying to kick down, but you haven’t been able to, and all of a sudden, it’s like, pow, there it is. Right? And some of it’s like you were saying earlier, it’s not even like same that thing you thought you needed. It’s this other thing. That’s way over here, you haven’t even considered, it’s been walking with you for your entire life. And boom, there it is. It’s opened up, they’ve got you there with them, and they’re able to resolve this thing is that would that be a session that I might have with you?

Keith Gilmore 32:13
Perhaps I’m in I like, I like the rotor rotor router of the mind idea. Bill Hicks, the comedian used to call it squeegeeing your third eye? But yeah, I would say my pitch to people wouldn’t be How are you feeling? Do you feel like the world is holding you properly? Do you feel like your real needs are being attended to? Do you feel like you’re being seen? Do you feel like you’re being understood? Or do you feel like you’re kind of just grasping or, or trying to, you know, keep your head from bobbing underwater, or we live in this world that there’s so much chaos, so much confusion, and so much novelty, there’s more and more crazy stuff happening every day. And we’ll continue to as we move forward, it’s not gonna slow down. So the psychedelic experience allows us to slow down to reconnect with our true human selves. We live in a world where so many things divorce us from our humaneness. And the psychedelics allow us to connect back with that, and feel like, wow, I am a human being. It’s and it is, it’s, it’s something that you can’t explain it has to be experienced. But it allowing yourself to do that to go through that. It’s very, to me, it’s very reassuring. And I think it’s one of the reasons that I have such optimism about the future about where we’re heading, I feel like we are going to get it together. And that the emergence the re emergence on a mass popular cultural scale of the psychedelics is going to play a hugely important role in us getting it together

Brandon Handley 34:20
100% a little bit the self study, or is this do Did you, you know, get some credentials on this, or, you know, just kind of against self study. And I think that that’s really, to me, I think that’s super important to like self education really speaks to your love of this space versus being like why I went and I took like, you know, a nine day seminar, and I don’t want you saying that’s bad. So I mean, where are you with that in that space?

Keith Gilmore 34:48
Yeah, yeah. So I’m kind of by nature, the autodidact type I like to teach myself and especially with the psychedelics you need. to experience it yourself to get a, as much of a grasp as you can on what it is. But I also think it’s important to learn from people who have knowledge who have more experience than me, who have more understanding than me. So I’m, I’m constantly kind of taking courses and doing group work, and just trying to learn and understand more, so that I can properly convey what needs to be conveyed and to help people to go through the multiplicity of experiences that could come up.

Brandon Handley 35:46
No, no, 100%. That’s it. And there’s a lot of them. And so I think, again, I think the work that you’re doing is really important. I think that it’s pretty cool that you’re doing it. And I love the idea that you know, there’s this Renaissance, right, and there, you’re just kind of, to capture it right to hold people and take them through it. Where, oh, you know, what, hold on a second, we almost forgot. This is like spiritual speed dating. So, you know, basically, the idea is, you know, you’re like bachelor number one, Keith, and like, so you know, somebody listening to this podcast, they they’re basically looking for their next, you know, spiritual date, and you could be it. So I’m gonna ask a question or two, let’s do it, we got the mood to do to do, how does one obtain true peace?

Keith Gilmore 36:38
Well, my short answer is I wish I knew. And my long answer would be to follow your heart, do what you know, is right in your heart, nobody else you can’t externalize it, no one else can tell you, no one else can show you how they can kind of show you the door, they can kind of guide you on how to put one foot in front of the other, but you need to follow through with it. And I think that inner peace comes from congruence between your thinking, your beliefs, and your actions, your your doing your being in the world. And the only way to achieve that that I found is to follow your heart, trust yourself. Because only you know, and we can’t give our trust away lightly. Because it’s, you know, that’s one of the most important things you have.

Brandon Handley 37:38
That’s number one, that’s a solid answer. The idea to just kind of a sub question. Does your practice help someone to identify a way to follow their heart?

Keith Gilmore 37:51
Would you say? Yeah, I, I that’s, that’s part and parcel of a lot of the work I do. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 38:03
I think you would say we are all one. So I’m not going to go with that one. What happens after you die? bachelor number one. Don’t buck this up?

Keith Gilmore 38:15
Right? Well, when I look out into the world, into the natural world, I see when a tree dies, it falls to the forest floor. And the matter the energy and the stuff that makes it up, begins being transferred to other things, moss is growing. ferns start growing, mushrooms start growing. And so I look to that process where when a tree dies, nothing is lost. The you know, the physical standing thing is not there anymore, but it’s not lost. What it is, is not lost, it’s transformed. It’s turned under, and new life emerges from it in its place, and from its matter. So I would say that, perhaps something like that, but I don’t think anything’s lost.

Brandon Handley 39:27
I like it. I mean, it’s kind of a return, return to life, right? You give them back know what you’ve already got, right? Everything. Everything recycles, right. I think that, you know, we all know that. You know, as much as we can believe science, right? That there’s never any more or any less like mass and or energy at all times. So I like your idea of it’s just kind of goes back into where it came from.

Keith Gilmore 39:57
Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 39:59
All Thank you. Hey man, I had a blast. I really appreciate again like, like I said, what you’re doing Where? Where can somebody come find out more about what you’re doing and potentially work with you?

Keith Gilmore 40:12
Yeah, so you can catch me at texture coaching calm, and if you’re resonating with anything I’m saying you can check out my writing, which is on Keith Gilmore, calm. Thanks so much for being here to thank you Brandon

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sometimes just need to get out everything’s fine.

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And everything’s great.

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Except for you know, you’re in the same place all the time. And I think I think that we all love I love change of scenery, right? I don’t know about you, but I love change of scenery. But as as I’ve been doing this quarantine bit and spinning up spiritual dope, having some just just awesome. Really awesome. Some conversations with all kinds of people in the spirituality space

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in all spaces in general, really. And

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a couple conversations popped up one of them that popped up

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was this conversation of

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kind of

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knowing that you’re gifted,

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right? And having that gift

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seemingly always be right out of

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reach.

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And I can I can relate to that one. Somebody had mentioned that one to me and, and I get it. There’s this piece of you, that you are. You’re always being told, hey, you know, you’ve got this specialness about you or perhaps one day, you know, you were like this and kind of as a child I always saw, you know, we’re, we’re in this kind of star seed, indigo child thing. I’m not sure how many of you guys are into that. But, you know,

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I’ll throw this out there. We’re kind of like in a hippie 2.0

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scenario here, right? And there’s many of us that were,

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that grew up

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as a, you know, kind of us original Star seeds as it were, right? This is kind of where everybody ended up getting like sky or rain and meadow and, and, you know, some child or

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whatever.

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But

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you were always told that there was something special about you, and it’s like, it’s killing you because

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it’s right there. You know, it’s just,

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it’s just on the other side, and it’s like the outside of what you know. And if you’ve listened to

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the doors,

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I think that that’s what he’s talking about. Go ahead and bring onto the other side. And even then, you have this kind of experience where you touch on that greatness of kind of who you are and, and and what you’re about. And

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it’s fleeting

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for a moment because that’s been

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my experience anyways. And you know, the second conversation that kind of came up was was kind of about

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psychedelics.

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Let me see if I saved the picture of the specific on the psychedelics piece, as I’m kind of trotting around out here, because I want to make sure that I touch on it. It was like was it psychedelics as just psychedelics, or was a psychedelics in certain use cases and so So for me, that was kind of like an interesting one because I just written something

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about

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psychedelics myself, right?

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And the deal is,

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I’m gonna, I’m gonna come at it from the perspective of can’t find the piece right now. Um, you know,

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this is a, it’s kind of like,

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it’s kind of like anything else, right? anytime that you

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you take any drug for example, you know, you maybe use steroids to bolster up and bulk up, but like, you know, you stop taking them and then that kind of goes away or you use steroids or some other kind of, you know, enhancement drug. But then when it goes away, you know, you can’t you can’t function without it. Right or when you are on it, you know, you mute Or you kind of destroy other pieces about yourself?

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So it’s, it’s like,

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yes, it works for something. But it takes away from something else. And to me, you know, that kind of disrupts what kind of, you know, spiritual dope would be about right spiritual dope would be about

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how do you

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how do you access you know that? That kind of thing

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all the time.

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Right? How do you how do you access that the greatest parts of yourself without needing to rely on some type of external inducement, as it were, which is, and that’s where kind of meditation comes into play, but the biggest, the biggest part about it is I’m just scoping out this weird little

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place here.

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So how do you how do you access the best of who you are, and bring that with you everywhere that you go

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without having to rely on something

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from the external, that’s drugs, that’s somebody else doing something because you said they needed to do it. That’s, you know, in all times in all places, right? And to me, that’s your inner self. That’s your inner being. That is bringing all that you are being present in every moment. And sometimes that’s hard, right? Like I said before, like, I’ve access parts of it, but not in all the time. state of mind. Right. I access it through meditation and And, you know, through through one kind of long term

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as a as a spoke about numinous experience

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and as far as you know as it relates

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to

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drugs and psychological

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pharmaceuticals, LSD, mushrooms, mescaline. weed, I mean, you know, of ecstasy, you know, any one of those, right? Any one of those that you touch on can bring you real similar experience. However, unless you’re using it, quote unquote responsibly, you’re generally using it just kind of like a as a as a place to go escape. And, and, to me, it also shows this just kind of like you’re relying on something outside of you. Right and and when you when you do that when you when when the only way that you can feel that way comes with its own set of dangers, right? least I was listening to Terence McKenna give a speech the other day about smell st and how it restricts the blood flow to your brain and you know has potential to cause seizures and like, make sense. Go What do you say? Have I experienced that? Yes. You know, and you know, what is the risk worth it? It’s a risk versus you know, worth the reward is at the time you say, Sure. Yeah, man, this is great. This is amazing. Whoo. But then there’s other times too. So it’s like if you use it responsibly in a responsible space, you’re in the quote unquote right headspace because imagine you

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You already are

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in your own fucking head 10 2100 X that

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in your own head and then you’re you’re you’re not in the right place mentally or you’re not with the right people who can support your your trip,

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right your, your psychological

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assistance trip man like I mean, you want to call it expansion and you want to, you know, say this all these other things that are expansive, but really, you’re just in your own fucking head

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and you’re in real deep

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and you can have some bad experiences and they suck.

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They make like, you know,

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you know, imagine, you know, several hours of just feeling at your worst times 10 Okay, now, I’m not saying that you can’t have these other experiences. They’re super awesome and super nifty and and really just life life memorable, right you know things that you totally change perspectives and, and knit all these really cool blankets and covers i don’t i don’t know what the fuck you knit, but you knit them together tapestries of, you know, things that are woven. But it’s still pales in total comparison

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to what is possible

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by

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your own creation

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without those drugs without the need for pharmaceuticals without I mean, now listen, I don’t have a I don’t have an iOS experience to give you. I don’t have a pod experience to give, you know, I don’t have you know, look, those maybe those are the ones that you dropped through the fog. So you’re And you’re

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right. And you hear stories like that?

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Is that an experience that you want to have?

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Is that an experience you want to have? You want to be dropped from the center of the earth? Do you want to be dropped from the center here? That’s a great question. So a mom walking here, I’ve got a picture of just some amazing

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mushrooms, and this

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great, kind of

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three of them in a row here, spot. So, you know, what does it all mean? And how’s that all break down? Those are just a couple of conversations that I’ve had this week that I thought that I would share with you as it relates to you know, spiritual dope.

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And then, and then finally,

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one of the other conversations got got me into listening to Carl Young’s read book and it’s really just a you know, I think a him

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you know,

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going through kind of I haven’t finished it yet I don’t I don’t

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have any super

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deep knowledge about kind of where he was when he did it or what he was about. But

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you know, I

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recognize a lot of what he’s saying. And and and and what he’s talking about the mental space that he is

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the mental space that he is occupying and

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in that mental space

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he’s uh

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you know, he talked he goes through his midlife crisis he goes through like his midlife and and what’s funny is is he had done he finds it very similar way that I did is like you either kind of accept it and you dive fucking i mean do into it. And there’s a lot of power in there or you resist it or you shut it down and you’re like, Nah, that ain’t for me. All right, and who does some people that’s the way it is, right? You know, they get out it’s literally the red, blue, red pill, blue pill. And then you know, once you take once you make a choice, there’s really no kind of no going back as it were. So he goes, he goes deep in it. And the thing that I recognize with him is that he’s coming through a mostly Western culture, right? I mean, look, he’s in psychology, which is just brand fucking new. Listen, guys. I mean, for those of you who who have been to a psychologist, psychiatrist or anybody like that, let’s let’s, let’s be honest, this is a this is a quote unquote, science of the mind. This hasn’t existed for that long. 100 hundred years and change as you know, from young and, you know, Nietzsche and those guys and, and we put a lot of stock into something that that hasn’t been around for a long time. And what happens is that, uh, you know, when you’re developing something like that, your mind frame you can only you can only comment something from your own personal experience No matter how much you read, right and your own perception of something else, no matter what you read. So, you know, those spots and time that these guys make make their ascertain motions and, and claims, you know, they’re based off of certain experiences and sometimes those don’t always get revised. Right. You know, 20 years goes by and like on, like Madonna, for example, when she talks about how she was in her 20s and 30s versus when she grew up and got older. She’s like, I don’t know what I was thinking. I was just saying some stupid shit because I thought that’s why I was supposed

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to Be right.

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And so young talks a little bit about like, just just being in a new space, just kind of handling the space from his own perceptions and experiences and from Western civilization. And as he is going through, he gets exposed

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to

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the the eaching I think he calls it like the yellow flower as well, which is one that I’m not familiar with, but he’s also exposed to Kundalini and you know, the these spaces which which most Western society hadn’t been exposed to, before and, and so when we,

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from society at large make these transitions

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into

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you know, this midlife crisis, crisis of identity and all this other stuff. And Wayne Dyer calls it like the the

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shift

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and we don’t have a framework For we lose, you lose your fucking mind, right? Yeah. And if you lose your mind because you nobody talks about it because they’re afraid to share it because they’re afraid they’re gonna be looked at in in with some side eye which is one of the reasons why it took so long for the red book to be published and share it out. Right there wasn’t a space that the family was comfortable in was sharing, sharing it. And to me that’s a great detriment because you know, the opportunity been there for so long.

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To let others know

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that it was okay to have these experiences. It was okay to be that lost in your own mind to have those.

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I don’t know I’m not done with the book yet.

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But to go through that mental space to explore All of who you are, and and you know not necessarily just be trapped in the body in the in the vessel that you you know you kind of plod along in but you know, understanding and being deep in the mind deep in the psychosis and and understanding that once you you know dip your toe into that pool, it is infinite it is infinite, right it’s a it’s a pool, an infinite pool.

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I’m sure there’s like, you know, some trademark and shit in there. But

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the thing is,

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I guess what I’m trying to share here is

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if you find yourself in that space

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you’re not the first one.

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You won’t be the last one.

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And if you find yourself in that space and you find yourself listen to this podcast and chances are you’re in the right space.

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We’re all kind of going you know that what’s the what’s the line? Right? Right. was fighting dragons or whatever? I’m trying to tame mine. I don’t know, I don’t know that right. I don’t have the right terminology for it. Because it’s all newer to me. And I’m still looking for the right language for myself to to share this out with but that being said, I wanted to share those pieces of conversations with a few of the people that I talked with, as it related to the podcast, you know, for if you are, if you’re out there looking for your gift, and you can’t seem to find it, stop looking outside. It definitely resides on the inside and you’ve already got it. It’s just how do you want to use it? What does that look like for you? And you know, imagine that that gift that you’ve been told about has fully developed? What are you gonna do with it? And what’s housing and what’s So I kind of look like when it shows up in the world if you’re if you’re again if you’re the beginning of this space and you’re wondering if you should take the leap into it or away from it say fucking take the leap take the leap and do it there’s there’s kind of like the last frontier to this space is not the last frontier we are here living as human beings and we have no fucking clue how we got here we have no fucking clue you know, we know that the the bits and pieces that pump our blood and do all these other things, but

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where does that come from?

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Yeah, who what is that life that’s making that happen for you. And you know, if you want that’s something worth exploring to me. And that’s something that we will continue to explore in this podcast and that’s what we’re going to continue to do is how do we once we find these bits and pieces within a How do we leverage them in our daily lives to to just, you know, have a more fulfilling, more powerful, more impactful life. Alright, that’s it. We’ll talk to you later.

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