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Sean & I first met a few years back on Fatherhood for the Rest of Us & we hit it off… to me it was obvious he needed to be a guest on Spiritual Dope. I hope that you enjoy listening to this episode as we did having the conversation.

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go. Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Sean McCoy who is one of the hosts of the company table podcast, which is a series of recorded conversations, which he invites people to come to the table to have authentic, open and honest conversations across a spectrum of subjects ranging from difficult fun to controversial, the primary goal of the interaction is exemplified love and understanding and a discussion that would inform the listener while encouraging the happy conversation of their own. Man. It’s been a minute and for those of you that don’t know, Shawn, I’ve had a couple conversations before that was back in fatherhood for the rest of us. And when I spun up spiritual dope, I came across like your podcast has like, man, let’s get you back on so so I’m so thrilled to have you back on. Thanks for showing up today.

Unknown Speaker 1:07
It’s a pleasure to be here, my friend. And I really love what you’re doing. You know, when I first saw the title, I was just kind of was enamored with this idea, cuz I’ve had my own transition, even the last 24 to 36 months around around cannabis and around what that what that word means. And then I think just the idea of that intimacy with the divine intimacy with where you’re going with life, just in another way, you just kind of you just bring it the style as far as just as it’s very open, very inclusive. You’re trying to understand there’s no, there’s no desire to control or is it to overcome or to try to convince and I just think it’s a beautiful way to do it, man. Appreciate your work.

Brandon Handley 1:41
Now, thank you so much. Thank you. So I appreciate that means a lot. It really does. We’d like to start this off I say we on the host creator and all the other things but I like to start these off with the idea that you are a vessel for the divine right and and what comes through you needs to come through you for the universe to operate at its optimal scale. Right. And it needs to, you need to deliver a message to somebody who’s listening today. Right? What is that message that’s coming through today? Sure.

Sean McCoy 2:10
So I just finished coincidentally, the book it’s called the physics of God with Joseph Selby. And Joseph Selby is a quantum physicist. And I’m in the in the so interesting to me that I finished it today coming on your show, because one of the things in so he interplays You know, he kind of remarries science and religion, which I think had the big split back in the time of Galileo and Copernicus that was really kind of this, the beginning of the end of that that beautiful relationship where it had to be one or the other. And that dichotomy that dualism, I just, it has to be that’s been a big area of growth, for me personally, just getting away from all that polarity. But in that one of the things that he talked about was in Genesis, he alludes to this idea of looking at these quantum experiments and talking about quantum entanglement quantum foam, and all these other real fancy words. And I’m, I can, Sam, if he asked me to explain it to you unpack it, about 50 60% of it, because it’s not, you know, I’m a pretty heady guy, like I like to think but it’s, it’s complicated. But overall, one of the things that underlying things that made me think of what you just said was, in Genesis, we’ve heard this phrase anybody’s heard it, that man is made in God’s image in the typical response to the typical kind of human thought is that there’s a human element to God and he created and that, you know, we had, he had elbows and maybe some sort of element of the physical versus this idea from a quantum standpoint of looking and saying, no, it’s eternal consciousness that God has, that he’s infusing and creating you with that image, because that’s what we all have internally. So instead of being limited by the physical, and saying, Oh, this must be some physical manifestation of God, it’s more of a vessel to hold the manifestation of God which is the eternal self and the eternal consciousness of all of us so that I just kind of felt like that was one of those points in my head as I was listening to it this morning as I was out mountain biking like I just told you to do now the just in terms of your show and just the people in who’s out there wanting to know what what in the world is going on? Where is my place? And all this? What how in the world? What do I know to believe in because as soon as you find anything, there’s some other use especially now you can google anything and there’s gonna be somebody else telling you all the things that are wrong with it doesn’t matter if it’s a business No matter if it’s a belief or whatnot. And I think part of that mystery and part of that chaos is intentional into give us this this desire to seek and this desire to continue to go internally and this desire to truly try to be intimate with both ourselves others and the divine and so the ultimate message around all of that is that in that journey you’re not alone is one of the biggest lies out there this You and I were talking about our reminiscing I think you remember that shoot out the shower story that I told you about that is not out here this is I you know, I was first deciding to become a Christian and following go against this all this stuff I’d ever thought and like what in the world is my problem and I was in the gym in in the water was coming to my head and it was black and I can remember that you know this this radiance you know I get away from this idea that it’s light darkness but just this radiance off in the distance that you know started to go to and I could feel it. Like I’m like in my body but I’m normal but then my it’s this weird thing started to transition I got scared, right? You get kind of like, Whoa, this is way too kind of UI. I know one of your big questions about you know, and I don’t go too far ahead, but just understanding that you’re your own self, you know, your your self awareness and, and then I kind of put the kibosh on it, you know, just that moment of just fear. And, and you’d mentioned, yeah, you kind of you’re like, yeah, you’re not gonna have that same. So I think that idea of, I think if we all took a step back, and all the weird stuff, we’ve been through all the stuff that we’ve experienced, it doesn’t make any sense that it’s okay to it’s okay to relish and it’s okay to be to sit in the mystery and to sit in the unknown. And that I think we get too involved sometimes to try and to fill it, try to give it some parameter and some frame. And just instead of just basking in the idea that there’s a, there’s an element of this that we just can’t figure out. And then even if we do figure it, even if even as we go on that journey, what you may define as the divine or what you may define as these things, so not it doesn’t become a situation where I’m trying to get you to understand it the way that I do. But we can kind of find some commonality back to what we’re talking about before. One of the big words that’s been kind of redefined for me is the word peace for a long time. Always envision peace as this idea that there’s no problems that everything is you know, calm. It’s like just, there’s there’s no issues, there’s no anger, there’s no fighting, there’s no, it’s just one thing. And if you go back and look at the Hebrew word Shalom, and really what it means it talks about tension, like this tension between between areas, and if you look at the way bridges work, you’ll get the way that how’s it anything, that what creates that structures, there’s there’s counter tensions all over the place, right? tension bridge, and you’d suspend ropes, muscle works by tension, and so is it but when you look at it, we look at a bridge, it’s not moving, but it’s under incredible tension. And we see it when that tension breaks. So in terms of human in terms of relational aspects, it’s not about whether or not I can convince you of something that I think is right, or try to get you on my team, or try to use fear and shame and manipulation and power and authority because of my own shortcomings to get you to conform to something that I want to but can I sit in the attention of a differentiating opinion, thought truth, whatever you want to call it? It? Can I relish with you in that it can that is that okay? And I think that that’s where When, when, when all the great wisdom books talk about peace, I think if you really break it down, and if you really go further into the, the basic tenants of all of them, that’s what they’re talking about. And it’s not that you can get rid of that tension. And so we try to act like you know, it’s always like, you go back and read ancient wisdom books, again, it’s like, you can hear today’s story, then I was just having this conversation with my hands, you can hear the you go back and read him back at Kurt, you just got into reading Jeremiah, which is one of my favorite Old Testament prophets. And it sounds like they’re talking about today, those books were written 2800, you know, 3000 years ago now, you know, in terms of accuracy and verbatim, and is it inherent? I’m not an inerrant. I’m not gonna say, I mean, nothing is inerrant. I think that’s part of the beauty and mystery of all this. And so it’s more about the con, it’s more about what was the big takeaway, if somebody’s lamenting, if they’re not sure about tomorrow, there’s all these what do they do, there’s the chaos of life. It’s never, it’s just crazy, right? And we like to think that it’s never been crazier and never been more worried, never ever been weird or never been more uncertain than it is now. Because it’s the only reality that we have. It’s like the cart totally kind of thing of like, it’s just the power of the moment. And we sometimes dismiss and forget of what has come before us. And so so but when you read these old ancient writers, and you’re like, wait a minute, that sounds like now. And so because we think that because technology or other things have progressed, that means people are progressed with it. And it’s not really what that’s not the same. It’s not the same thing. It just means we’re right, we’re doing this by computer on on the internet versus, you know, versus some written letters like back in the day and look at some of the founding fathers and some of the people before that they would have these great debates. And people don’t realize that they would have them over the period of weeks and months over written letters, right, versus we can talk all day long over and over again, re edited and other assist, right, it’s all here for us. So really all that to say, you know, the three great questions that I always think about in terms of what people are, can take away when you’re looking at things and where they can find hope and inspiration, in a sense is as you look at things that used to be Is it good? Is it true? Is it beautiful, was the original kind of that’s the first way to look at it. I’ve been having this internal war around dualism, because as soon as you because good and bad is all subjective, even then, as an opposite you start going down that road. And you know, truth is a is a funny thing.

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Is it so as I know, that’s absolutely true. It’s like wow, you know, I used to think so too. Not so much anymore. And so instead of that, I like to say, is it beneficial? Is it is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? And so in terms of is it beneficial? Because that that really broadens that ability to understand the impact something has on you know, is it a bad thing to have cancer? Well, it could kill you. And that’s our initial thought is No. But if you’ve been around suffering, if you’ve been around some of these things that people go through, there’s a there’s a transformation that happens and this comes in part of the journey. The last couple years of recognizing this frequency isn’t you talk about your undercurrent to talk about formulas that walk through life, others a gentleman by the name of Alexander john Shi’a, who is one of two people they’ve been the most profound, had the most profound impact on me in the last couple of years, just in turn. My way see the divine The way I see the Christ if you will

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see an author or friend or he’s

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kind of a way to become a friend like him and I like we actually talk once a week now we’re doing some things personally but he from a from an educational standpoint, was a anthropologist. He went to university Notre Dame, he studied under Joseph Campbell, Joseph Campbell was the hero’s journey. Joseph Campbell was inspired Star Wars, right. So just he was a student of Joseph Campbell.

Brandon Handley 10:26
That’s some powerful lineage right there.

Unknown Speaker 10:28
Yes. And so it’s so this comes into play, because you could you know, this, around the storyline. And so, but he grew up, he grew up Maronite Catholic, but he grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, in the 50s. And he’s Lebanese, he was first generation full Lebanese in, in the US. But because of this goes into this country how this works out because of segregation laws in the 50s. And 60s, they weren’t allowed to live anywhere by themselves. So they were like, it was like living back in Lebanon. So the irony is in terms of, like beneficial, so we would say none of us, I mean, like to think but would say that we should have laws that separate people based on ethnicity. But there’s a beautiful way that shows Well, something that’s negative like that can actually become a bit of a positive, if you will, depending and it allowed them to grow up kind of in this old way. He grew up basically in a Lebanese village in Birmingham, Alabama, with just his just his people, because the laws around it wouldn’t allow for them. And he was 13th 13th generation, his lineage goes back that many like 1300 years in terms of this particular tribe and his people and so he wasn’t a student of following that of Christ. You lived it, like it was a every day, embodied, very intimate, very traditional, very ritualistic very much in that in this in this sense, and not traditional like is in terms of like closed off. But in terms of like internal internal kind of discovery, internal kind of looking at is in terms of So anyway, partly Isn’t he but he realizes he needs to go somewhere else besides seminary, he needs to go somewhere besides your traditional and become just a priest because he was supposed to, that’s the reason he was named Alexander. So he goes to Notre Dame realizes that he cannot really get exposed to this because you can become this anthropology student in between Joseph Campbell and just the teachers that it blows up his whole foundation, because he was in this tribalistic, kind of like almost kind of set. And now it opens up his mind all these other ways. And all these other things, he starts to see the same pattern of the same elements throughout all these different whether it’s an ancient civilizations or current ones. And there’s uniqueness. But there’s also this synergy. And he starts to recognize this one, and he goes and becomes you get this masters and his PhD in clinical psychology. And then he goes on to use that as a practice. But he really is this internal struggle, he spends 40 years, and he has this moment where he takes the hero’s journey, Joseph Campbell’s journey, you can kind of come up different variations where there’s kind of four primary paths, there’s the first party step into the challenge, right, there’s the there’s the opportunity where you can begin the path. Second is the issues, the obstacles that you that you go through. Third is that is the transformation evolution, the fruit, the boom that you get in the fourth is in the service relative to that. And so that’s the those are the main Crux doesn’t mean tenants. What’s interesting about those four concepts is they are also the main tenants of all of our lives. As I start to see it, we all know this story. We’ve all had challenges, we’ve either stepped into it because we decided to a new job, a new podcast, a new, a new whatever, you have these moments of like stepping into this idea of like understanding things a different way. That takes courage. And there’s a step into that, right. And then there’s then what you do is like, great, here we go. And then all sudden you trip, you’re like, oh, what’s going on, and there’s obstacles, and that suffering is typically looked at as something we’re trying to avoid. But the irony is, that is part of that crucible that is part of that that intensity that allows for growth to happen, that’s where you become, I don’t like to use the word strong because it starts to create a, an element of like physicality, with just the ability to resist and that’s that growth that comes through that resistance, if you will. So as you grow through that, well, then there becomes a point when there’s a fruit, there’s a boon that happens, right? There’s something there’s an evolution, there’s a transformation, there’s a recognition, it’s like rings on a tree is that grow out, right? Don’t say this is the next ring, and you’re there. Yeah. And then of course, the fourth pass is this really, really critical part? Because now that you’ve done that, what are you going to do with this gift that you’ve been given? What is this new perspective? And now you start back at the first path, right? And now you start over because it’s not a linear thing? You’re not trying to get to a place and be done it’s this just continues man, we’re just on this.

Brandon Handley 14:12
Right? Absolutely. So you know, we got we got a lot in there to unpack my friend we got a lot and unpack so I’m ending with that last piece that she just said there. You know, the idea of to me is kinda like that Golden Ratio right of how the spiral continues to get larger as you say, you know, you start off in the beginning and then that’s your story like it just continues to get larger there’s more greater pieces that come into it but you keep circling around kind of the the primary aspects of your life and and your story, right, but everything else you bring into it, it gets larger, your boobs get larger, your challenges seem larger to the people beneath you, but like the those challenges are just your next evolution point. And it’s also like you said here, too With the idea of Yeah, going through all that, and then what do you do with that? Boom, right? This is done. I mean, look, man, not for nothing. That’s what you and I are doing with these podcasts, right? we’ve, we’ve discovered something else in our lives that it makes sense to share it out with other people help people maybe to find that for themselves. You know, a big piece that I’m doing right now is comes out of a book called power versus force. And the idea of, you know, accepting that challenge, Shawn, it’s gonna take what what’s it going to take? It’s gonna take a little bit of courage to take that step if you don’t take that step, right. The refusal of the call, right, that’s another part that’s a you know, that’s another big part. Right? So if you refuse to call the hero, that’s where you find in my mind, you find a lot of regret the coulda, shoulda woulda is what if I didn’t take that path? Right. So that’s kind of the refusal is is leads to this kind of life less lived. scenario.

Unknown Speaker 15:54
So stillborn is the word I always think about. Hmm, wow. So stillborn or stagnant? Like, like, if you refuse to recognize that pet like you don’t have to go down it. You don’t. I mean, you can even be when you’ve had, I’m sure you’ve seen people where you’ve had a major life challenge or change. It’s even forced upon them. And they’re still it’s like this, we call it denial or whatever. But they’re just not not going down the path. And so it’s like a broken record just kind of caught. Yeah. In that. You can’t go any further. And that’s the that’s the irony. Is it in? Is it everybody has the opportunity to say no, but you don’t have to go down these paths you, you can get the boon and then just sit on it. Right, right. Yeah, you’ve decided to take this. I hear it when you’re when you’re talking. Like there’s been a revelate there’s an intimacy there’s, you’ve seen something and now you’re like, ah, heck do I do with this thing? That’s it.

Brandon Handley 16:39
I mean, that’s, that’s it? 100%? Right. I mean, that’s the that’s the genesis of spiritual dope, right? The deal is that here, here, there’s this new, not necessarily even a new way of thinking, it’s just new to me way of being. And now how do I integrate that with all the other things and everything else has always ever been, and not even necessarily for benefits so that I can exist on all planes of existence, right? And just keep moving forward. And not feel as though I’m not honoring my inner self as well. Right, this connection to God, this divine right, this thing that really deserves much more honoring than I’ve ever given it before. But now that it’s here, I’m like,

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shit,

Brandon Handley 17:21
we got to do something here. Right. Right. So and, and, you know, I mean, just just for your own knowledge, like, I struggled with that, because it’s something that I’ve been with for a while, and I did the other podcast where I did prosperity practice, right. But then I was like, I’m still not honoring the truth of how I’m feeling right. I had a few conversations with some people that I knew that were and are. And I was like, well, there’s no reason why I can’t do it, too. Right. So let’s, let’s begin it with spiritual dope, right, let’s, uh, you know, I can help people through through that and find people such as yourself, and some others that are leading a life through spirituality, and having a more fulfilled kind of life purpose, because of it, right. And when they, you know, when they get to the end of it, they’re gonna be like, I did everything to honor like, the divine within myself. Right.

Unknown Speaker 18:11
Right. And also, it’s also a gift, right? It’s part of this is this, the opportunity comes to me you sort of define kind of why I mean, like, I love science, like it’s a part of this book is teaching us we can’t really trust even what we’re measuring. Even if we could, you know, the irony to science is they could never answer. Scientifically speaking, you cannot use the scientific method to answer the question that we all want to know.

Brandon Handley 18:35
At least it’s subjective, it’s always going to be subjective, actually, I mean, I did a podcast on last week on this, right. Like, the whole idea is like, it will always be subjective. But there are distinctive patterns in people who have fallen into this. And that’s, that’s why when you read meditations, that’s why when you read the Bible, that’s why when you know, you read any book of wisdom, you can now see that pattern, you’re like, holy shit, that’s the pattern. And and you can recognize that everywhere you go, you know, so the whole idea of everything’s a miracle and nothing’s a miracle. Everything’s God or nothing’s God, right? Like, you just got to make that choice. And that’s what you’ll see. So you know, one of the things that we you touched on it right was the you’re kind of yours what yours was quite literal, come to Jesus moment, while we talk about what that was like for you again, because this This podcast is, it’s also the gives people that understanding of Alright, well, this is happening to me now, what do I do with it? Right? We’ve been through a part of that. Obviously, we haven’t gotten to the end. But what does it look like from your perspective?

Unknown Speaker 19:44
Well, I think part of it is you have to be willing to relinquish control in a sense of what you think you know, and what you think is even possible, and that we’ve allowed ourselves I know I did for a long time. So when I was younger, up into my early 30s allowed myself to believe that because I was heady and because I was smart, because I had, you know, people told me so and I knew it. But somehow you’ve got that you’ve kind of figured it out. There’s there’s a, there’s a humble aspect to all this, that if that if I were to say anything from a preparation standpoint, it’s truly and this is our podcast, the one that I did. And even I think it dissipated a conversation, are you willing to just listen to this, hear it out. Now, I understand that you can’t hear out everything that’s ever thrown at you. And there’s a lot of noise out there. And there that is now more than ever, so the biggest challenge are so much noise, right? We can get lost in YouTube for hours and not even know where we’re at, or Instagram or whatever, you can get lost in the noise. But back you’re saying about this frequency? If it’s answers those questions, is it beneficial? Is it harmonious? And is it beautiful? Whoever saying it or whatever saying it, I think if you use that as kind of a starting point, say and then hear it out? I mean, how do you how do you sit there and listen to some of these ancient masters and some ancient people that and I mean, like even modern day ancients when they give wisdom and they give when they when they talk about these things. So all that to say that, just just be humble about what you’re doing. And be humble about the approach and realize that it’s okay to say that you don’t know something. And and then allow yourself to then explore and in really taking things that are uncomfortable, it took me forever, Brandon to not wince during the name Jesus. I mean, it took me years to not because for years, I was kind of like the, the church leader on Saturday Night Live where it was like, I would hear that word and just go, Oh, God, every time somebody resists Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, you know, kind of thing. It took me a while to tour that name didn’t, didn’t bother me. So I think in terms of that, in terms of that approach, there’s also a little bit of grace you have to give yourself to understand your and you have to knock off some of these old habits. This idea of, like, favorite real quick,

Brandon Handley 21:47
what is Grace mean to

Unknown Speaker 21:49
Grace’s the capacity for growth, the capacity for wandering and being lost a little bit from making the decision that maybe turns out later Nabis beneficial graces allowing for exploration and just the existence of a maybe even since I was a negative energy, but just an incomplete perspective, allowing for that incomplete perspective of yourself because that’s the thing we become self critical. Go back. I should have known better. How did I not know better? Oh my gosh, now that I know I will never get it wrong again. Right now. Okay, now I get it all now get all figured out. But just do it this way. It’ll stay that way. And I won’t falter. This hole is the one phrase that is getting more and more old for me is around. Oh, well. Nobody’s perfect. yet. We got that part. Everybody. Like we we all check the box that nobody’s perfect. That’s true. Okay, but what does that even mean? So that means there’s that there’s an allowance for for that stumbling. There’s an allowance for just that even hurt and pain and just being flat out wrong. In some cases. Last night on LinkedIn, of all places on social media, I saw a gracious interaction between two people, where one person was just being a smartass, and just a just a troll, just a absolute troll and just the other person responded with absolute kindness, absolute kind of truly, this and I even reached out to him personally. And now we’re connected and they’re gonna come on this oil and gas podcast that I’m doing because I’m like, I’m like, that was an amazing example of just, it was inspiring because to see somebody do what you hear mostly is all the ridiculousness, right? We don’t see that. So grace, and even if you do, Grace is allowing, what about that idiot? What about? I was I talk to my people that I know that follow Christ? And they’re like, do you know that Paul wrote half the New Testament, more than half the New Testament? Oh, by the way, he had a massive conversion story. There was a there was a point in his life where he killed Christians, because he just just because to eradicate them from the earth, like in a is awful ways you can approach a group of people like just ethnic cleansing, he was the guy in charge. And I was like, What? Yeah, the guy who wrote more than half the New Testament is attributed with with living a lifestyle like that.

Brandon Handley 23:57
I did not know that. I mean, that’s I mean, that that again, that’s, I mean, that’s a powerful image. It just one of the things that you think about right brings to my mind anyways, is maybe even our judicial system, or our penal system, right? Where, hey, somebody goes and makes like this stupid mistake, right? Murder is a stupid mistake. Not everybody means to murder somebody in this in certain scenarios. And I think that something you and I have probably learned along our path is how to, you know, not let our not be controlled by our emotions. It’s something you hear everybody always say, but that’s not easy to learn. Right? And it’s, it’s not easy to get somebody who’s a good teacher that either right and so that we don’t have a whole lot of examples of that. So, you know, somebody goes to the penal system, murder somebody, I’m not saying that’s a good idea. Don’t go out and do it. But in the end, like, I mean, you’re still going to be accepted by God. That was a big mistake, but like, this person still has the capability to become and do some great things. for humanity?

Unknown Speaker 25:01
Well, let’s do that. What makes me think of that is a former military. And so murder dependent back to the good and bad was beneficial, not beneficial, but what we celebrate our heroes in the uniform, right? The most celebrated people. I mean, Chris Kyle, people like that, that we think about, he was a sniper, like his entire job was to kill people were the right man. That’s what he did. I mean, that’s not such sugarcoat what his what his job was, and what he was given awards for, and medals and book deals, and a movie was made. So So it all depends on context and the perspective of whether you think it’s the right thing or not. So I think that’s, that’s really important, too. And then, and then again, back to your question about grace and redemption is it should it only be for one or the other based on what we think is, you know, acceptable or beneficial things are good or bad at that time. And that’s where you talk about dope. And one of the big areas in my life that kind of took a big, a very big deconstruction, or just was around legal narcotics is around drugs, including psychedelics, and I grew up kid in the 80s, total square, I didn’t drink till I was 21. Because it was illegal. That would give me a hard time they thought it was ridiculous that would do that. I was just kind of the way that I was wired. It didn’t mean that I didn’t drink. It didn’t mean I didn’t speed. It didn’t mean I didn’t break the law, or I wasn’t, you know, I’m not I’m not Jesus, and nor do I claim to be, but I tried to strive towards that, in the last couple years, one of the areas that that really kind of shattered this idea of kind of this, this belief, I was given before these this perspective, that was defined around illegal narcotics and the whole story behind that whole the whole drug war and start looking at cannabis, as well. I think it’s funny, we call it spiritual dope. It’s like, you know, if you go back and read, look and look at the plan to look at what it is, I can honestly think that might be the most valuable plant ever that God’s ever created, the utility of that plan is incredible in every way. And so the idea that we’ve outlawed it, especially based on something like race, and we’ve criminalized it, and there’s people that if you look at our our incarceration rate in the last 50 years in the United States, leads the world in incarceration per cat. I mean, that’s, that’s not something we should want to be number one, and that is any group in the organization, right? I mean, mass incarceration is not, it’s not a sign of a healthy, vibrant culture, in my opinion, which is really incredible. If you think of how well we’ve done economically, or even everything else, that we’ve done this with a massive segment of our population, disproportionately, you know, disassociated from everything that we do. And I think that’s a real opportunity going forward. But part of the pandemics put out there and pushing these social issues to the top is it’s like, it’s not about even equality, or just you know, we have to have, you know, a one of everything. It’s more like, you’re just you haven’t tapped into this base. It’s almost like knowledge, like, you haven’t even tapped into this amazing group of people. And you’ve been putting them to the side and oppressing them. And now it’s a chance to bring back everyone to the table, man, what you know, got Gumbo and all that stuff. You know, it’s all better when there’s this massive numbers of ingredients going into it,

Brandon Handley 27:43
not 100% and I love me some gumbo. I’m loving some gumbo, the you know, you brought you know bringing up dope, right? Like so what is your spiritual hit? Like what it what is your spiritual high?

Unknown Speaker 27:56
It’s happened to me a couple times. And it’s that revelation or that being exposed to something that I didn’t even know I needed to know, that I didn’t even know was even possible. And it kind of redefines what it resets the foundation it is. There’s a part of it that is awful. Because it’s like erasing the whole white chalkboard, the whiteboard all over again, you got to start over. But when you do that, it’s this revelation of opening the what’s possible. And I’ll give you a couple examples. One back to Alexander, he was talking to this other podcast about so near make Jesus his name was Yeshua, and Yeshua and he said the word in Aramaic for from us for what we call Messiah, or the Christ was missy. Missy. It’s an it’s almost like an automatic pa it’s this number I was out I was outside doing some work in the backyard and listen to sing ecosistema See, it was the issue of the must see what it is is in the word. The phonetics require the breath expulsion at the end. And that that breath expulsion is the real embodiment. So we think the way we speak English is totally different than the way that Aramaic, and a lot of other languages convey what they’re trying to say in terms of there wasn’t there wasn’t a very large in terms of phonetics, but in terms of how it interacted, it was conveying something. That breath right? In Genesis, right God breathes According to the legend breathes life into the dirt, right? There’s a breath whenever there’s when you’re first born, there’s a breath, the last breath you take, there’s something in this there’s something that’s alive. It’s symbolized by breath. And so that energy which is in all of us, right, this is where we start to derail because the word goes to become a cya. And is supposed to be this thing, which shows he was in charge. And he was this. In my experience, anything that starts to go towards power and privilege and authority as a justification for its existence is kind of the beginning of the telltale sign that it’s off of this. It’s off the divine, because now you’re just trying to control people now becomes Well, he’s the Messiah. So now we have to follow him. Everyone else is toast. This is the only way right and that just leads to division. But this but the way that Alexander was explaining that in in Christianity first started to expand that what they would do is they would go find when they would go to different cultures different In areas and spread, they would see the Christ and it wasn’t the person wasn’t really even the thing either. It was this spirit within, it’s this. It’s this breath within all of us, right? That, oh, you have this story, you have this ritual, you go through these things like we do. It was more communal, like we know your story. We know that story, versus here’s the right story. And we’re gonna, we’re gonna tell you to take the story you have now, you need to just erase all this stuff off the cave walls, get rid of all your traditions, know your culture, and just adopt this new way. That’s just divide that’s just conquering? Well, I

Brandon Handley 30:32
mean, I think I think you said it in the beginning, right? We can look back over history. Look at all the books of wisdom. Look at all I mean, not even just the books wisdom, we can look at Joseph Campbell’s, you know, the hero’s journey, and we can outline just about anybody anything anywhere with that same story with the same fundamental, whatever’s right. And it’s timeless, right? These stories, these ways of being these thought patterns, there’s all this stuff you’ve been saying like, hey, right now, we think this is the craziest it’s ever gonna be or we’re the most technologically advanced. So that must be guess what hasn’t gotten an implant is your brain. Right? Your brain hasn’t been upgraded? Just, you know, for sure. You know, probably in 2000 years, you haven’t evolved that much as a human being. Right. So I love you brought that up. You know, the other thing you brought up too, is just kind of like the idea of you were saying I think resistance but as you grow, right, but the word I might throw out there’s like resilience, you develop a resilience to as you grow, right? Is that kind of like what’s your look like?

Unknown Speaker 31:38
It’s one of the it’s one of the byproducts is certainly one of the things that this the second during tertiary aspects as you go through these kinds of things. You realize when you’ve been there before, like when the tree is getting bigger, it knows, hey, the storms come in. Last time, I didn’t know anything about it got through. Okay. All right. So it doesn’t mean it’s gonna be easier. It just means that I know, my ability to kind of hold, stay steadfast, maybe greater, because I know, I know this, I know this song, I’ve done another stance, so that you know it like, like a book or like memorization, it’s just you’re familiar with it. So that familiarity, if you allow for it to come in, but also don’t think that it means you know exactly what’s gonna happen next, is this more of what is the essence of resilience? It’s kind of come what may man if your lights go out or be okay, if it’s flooded, we’ll be okay. If it’s a drought, we’re gonna be okay. If it’s a boon if we get a win the lottery, right? I’ll be okay. Because that’s not always guaranteed to be okay. Whether it’s a clinical good or bad thing that you get, right? Well, I

Brandon Handley 32:35
think that’s the other thing you were talking about is this dualism aspect can explain dualism for somebody who’s not familiar with it. So

Unknown Speaker 32:41
dualism started. It’s a nervous, Italian kind of byproduct from the Greek philosophers of kind of breaking things all the way down to their base level, in that we started to look at things from a polarity standpoint, if for everything, there’s an opposite, right? That there’s this idea that plus minus Yes, no good, bad. And that there’s this, it’s a tendency we have in ourselves to kind of limit the perspective of what we’re looking at real in regards to a situation or something or how we measure it. And we can even see it when you see someone like technology around, you know, polarity, and stuff like that, in terms of electricity and things of that nature. And so there’s this, there’s this tendency, and there’s also this human tendency to kind of break things down that simply. And the problem is we forget, as we break down the human being into like, Oh, it’s just atoms or just protons, neutrons or protons and electrons, it’s kind of it’s, that’s an atomic level kind of idea of right what we learn in school, there’s plus and minus, and if there’s more or minus than Plus, it’s a negative charge. And if there’s a positive charge over here, they come together, because positive opposites attract, and we kind of hear all this stuff. So we start to kind of really differentiate everything we think we know, in terms of what it is and what it could even be, is having one or the other. Right? And so then it becomes this, I mean, even think about it, if you just everyone takes a step back, look at the things that they look at that they were college rivalries, there’s kind of one primary rivalry is always them versus us, or, you know, man and woman, or, you know, hate and love, just just emanates in everything that we do. And what’s coincidentally is that the other person had this massive impact on me as a lady by the name of Janet Williams and Janet Williams wrote, she introduced on this other podcast called Nomad apophatic theology, and it’s not even the right way to look at it. And what it tries to posit and there’s a really, it’s really hard to describe, because it doesn’t have a description, but it does is a little bit what you’re alluding to. It’s both good and bad. It’s both but it’s neither. But it’s so it’s, it’s like part of this is the idea of where you kind of go to with all this kind of introspect is around God. So God is all things that is in everything, but God has nothing God is both but God is neither. And then it’s the idea that even if it how we think we can even understand and conceive certain things like the universe or even the divine did it’s anyone that tells you they know God or what God is. It’s not I don’t mean this to be insulting, it’s just I think it’s it’s this part of the journey of it. It’s just going to be incomplete. And that even what we think it is, you have these experiences, I saw God or I felt God’s presence. And I like what I talked about, and that we hold in those things become idols. And that the real idea behind telling people not to stay on the idols is even if that experience is with, like, if you’re there, if you’re Moses and God parts of the Red Sea and saves everything, and no brings the Red Sea down on the Egyptians, that’s a pretty stellar experience. If it happens that way. You’re Moses, you’re thinking you can’t get any higher, it can’t get any better than this, right? This is the pinnacle of all that exists. There’s a there’s an element of that, that’s, that that becomes an idol. No, I

Brandon Handley 35:36
think i think i think that too. It’s like we open it up with right, you’re the vessel through which the universe God creation acts, right, with, when I start to say that this is me doing it, then then I start to I start to limit what is possible, right, I start to set up like all these blinders and everything else where whereas, you know, if I start to just say, hey, the The only reason any of this is happening is because of, you know, divine source flowing through me and, you know, helping guide me, right. So when you start to think that you’re at the pinnacle of anything in your life, I mean, again, you you’re starting to throw up a limit. This is just me, you know, kind of spitballing right, but you know, you start to, you start to put limitations on yourself.

Unknown Speaker 36:21
Yeah. And it’s, it’s something that that goes into one of the things, there’s eight fundamentals with these eight areas of what they call cognitive dissonance. And these eight biases, and one of them is called the errors of framing is this is this idea that you’ve that what you think you’ve known so far as to what frames everything? And what what creates the structure, it’s out there that you, that’s all there is, and there’s not a possibility for something more. And part of the reason that he studies it is around innovation. So in terms of terms of actual innovation, both technically on a personal level, or anywhere else biases will keep you from seeing what could what could be possible. So that’s one of those areas made me think of that is their idea of errors of framing, and part of it is like, does a fish know that it’s in water? Or if it does, is it you know, it’s good? It’s kinda one of these things, if you don’t know, what else is here, or you think that what is there is all there is, or you’ve been told, right? There’s nothing else out there for you, Brandon, you’ll never, you can never go past this city line, or you can never nothing that you can’t go past this area. And it becomes a self limiting belief, because that’s what you’ve been told. And it’s part of that frame, then it’s, if you don’t trust it, it’s not safe. You’re not you’re not risky, just for the sake of it. But don’t don’t limit, like I said, Don’t limit the ability. And it’s, you know, look, I can’t be an opera singer, I know that. You can’t, there has to be some reason this, this goes back into the balance of things around just from a pro beneficial effects to harmony. In those three questions. You know, if I sing, it’s not gonna be harmonious, literally. But if I can connect with people on a personal level, work with them and go through life with them, there’s, there’s a human harmony that you can create as well. Right.

Brandon Handley 37:49
Do me a favor, like, you know, so we’re talking all this a lot, a lot of theory here a lot of just kind of inner work a lot of ways that we have felt what is something that you know, would would be some practical application to give somebody who’s listening to some of what we’ve learned throughout this time?

Unknown Speaker 38:06
I think the part that always catalyzes me, or is a catalyst for me is to take take an argument, take a subject, take a perspective, that is that, you know, is is fundamentally different from yours, as you can imagine, and go listen, purposely fine not to counter what I said about dualism, but it’s more of the context around if I’m having a hard time, I just don’t understand what drives didn’t have to be something opposite or something you’re against. It could just be I don’t understand what drives what is the deal with, you know, well, hobby ism, and Islam. And what’s the deal there? Why would that was that was what goes on bin Laden was if I remember correctly, that was part of his sector, what is the deal with name, your favorite subject, your name or area or something that challenges you that causes you or you at least has the potential to stern you and maybe it’s anything you’ve said, I will never change my mind about that. I will, because I, I walked the earth and said, I would never walk into a church for any other reason than a funeral or a wedding. When I did, I’d want to leave just as fast as I got in there. And that was my way for a long time. But when you’re when I had to take a step back and go look at this differently, like is this something that turmoil and again, it’s going to create turmoil, but that’s where the greatest opportunity is for growth doesn’t mean you have to step all the way into it. But if you if you, if you just stay in the echo chamber, you just stay with the rhythm that you’re used to, if you just stay in that pattern, you know, and you’ll go out and branch out, especially if it’s something that’s different, or unique, or in that opposite, but just a different frequency than what you’re used to. Then you never say that’s why travel is so important. That’s why and I don’t just mean travel like Europe, or you know, some jungle in Asia. If you’ve never been to New Jersey, go to New Jersey, go to go to you know, Seattle, go to Chicago, go to Austin, Texas, you know, go to these places, big and small and just in feel no in if it’s uncomfortable, right if it’s and I get this way. I mean, I went with my wife this probably about a year ago. We went to there’s a pride parade, gay pride parade here and we have some friends of ours and we went to church with them. They wanted to do the big free dad hugs and free mom hugs things. And we went and did that. And you talk about being out of your comfort zone. I mean, you know, look, I’ve never had an issue with it. I was in the Navy. I don’t believe in any of that violence, or, you know, look, I don’t understand it, like not even for for a moment. I can’t relate. And I do think that’s more of a detriment. I’ll get to that in a second, if you want to talk about that. But I heard something in relation to that. Anyway, you talk about different man, you walk out, you go, and you walk up and down the streets of Houston, Texas, that are filled with people for Pride Parade, and you are, you know, you’ve never experienced that life or knowing about that world. It’s going to challenge you, and a lot of ways and I think that discovered we tend to run away from it, if you can hold and you can stay steadfast. And yes, it may be uncomfortable, and it doesn’t mean you’re gonna like it at end of the day. But it will change you, I think it will change you in my experience. Rarely is it changing you for for the worse, for lack of a better word.

Brandon Handley 40:53
That’s a great story. I love that, you know, you kind of put yourself out there into a situation where you were uncomfortable, but apparently you must have saw, like, you know, some beauty in it right? You must have saw some benefit. And you may not you don’t have to understand it in order to look, you don’t have to believe it for it to be true. Right. And you don’t have to understand it. To for to participate in it. So and I love that what you’re saying here is, rarely do you put yourself into something like that, and opportunity for growth and it comes out poorly. Right. Right. That’s awesome. So you know, where where were you, you know, we met and over here at come to the table podcasts, right? Is that something you’re still running? Or if you’re spinning into something new? Where can somebody get a little bit more? Sure, McCoy.

Unknown Speaker 41:47
So right now I said a couple different things. So the podcasts that come to the table, I hit my 100th conversation, there was a number that popped in my head back in February. And then I used part of the pandemic to kind of get there and kind of round it off, I had to take a real hard look internally and realize it was more my journey than it was really doing it for the listener if I was going to be quite honest, gotcha. It was a sobering thing that I was kind of railing against the, the structure of like, I have to do all these things in a structured way. This kind of free flowing stream of consciousness consciousness kind of thing, just I just saw it, it filled me with 100 stories of people, plus all the other ones, all the other stuff, it just, it was just a chorus of, of the mercy of life of Breath of just everything. So it’s in it continues to have a significant impact on my life. Today’s the fruit, if you will, continues to be born. This is a good example. But I also realized that I needed to it kind of run its course and there’s some other stuff that was coming. I got a friend of mine who’s gonna show real quick before we jump on to the next piece

Brandon Handley 42:45
talk about that, because that can be a real challenge. For some people, it sounds to me like you found a pivot point. Or you found a point where it’s just like, Alright, this, this is filled its role in my life, right? Because you got a lot of people that are like, Oh, you got a, you got to see it to the end. And or maybe I’ll tell you, I had a big I had a big problem with, um, when I stopped doing father for the rest of us, right? Because I had attached my identity to that, right. And I was like, oh, man, I’ve built this community. I’ve done this and what do I do? And you know, it was tough to break away from that. So talk a little bit about that right, first first occurs to start it up, and then the curse the stop it.

Unknown Speaker 43:19
Yeah, I think it’s definitely much harder to stop it. I mean, it’s, it’s when you dive in, you’re naive in a way, you’re not sure what’s going on. But when I think you’re realizing that it’s time to walk away, and it’s not. Yeah, you don’t like it necessarily. I mean, I didn’t really like it. And like you said, you put so much into it, you put heart and soul and you’re wanting things and just the amazing conversations of people that you’ve come across. If we just take the time, I didn’t have anybody famous in my pockets ever. But I would tell anybody 100 times out of 100 go listen to Brad spot bill this, there’s wisdom in his words back then even and I think the other part that makes podcasting so amazing, which may make it a little easier to walk away from sometimes they’re all still out there for people to discover. And people will and this is where I just trust a spirit and divine will bring people to the point where they can listen to something based on when it’s necessary when it can serve them and help them but also realize that I could do a better job of setting the table, if you will. And also he also needed a little bit of you got to get some time. Give yourself some time to decompress, and some time to process that kind of stuff. Yeah, it’s like drinking from a firehose you’re doing one episode a week, hours and hours and hours editing and, you know, it’s it’s like drinking from a firehose and sometimes you ventually got to turn it off for a little bit. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:32
absolutely. Absolutely. I know that a I forgotten how much effort it is to really be involved in it. Right. Dylan? This is taken a considerable amount of effort. I’m loving it, and I’m enjoying it, but uh, I did forget for a minute, just how much time can can be involved with it. Okay, so then you’re looking at this I mean, if I understand correctly, too, then you’re looking towards a new new space. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 44:53
So yeah, so one to two areas. One actually got hired professionally to host a podcast and oil and gas talking about The environmental, social and governance issues within the industry is I’m currently working on that I have a co host with me, it’s like a true show like there’s developed, it’s, it’s really, really coordinated, complete opposite of what the other one was. I mean, it’s very structured, has conversation, but it’s got three parts. It’s it’s like a chorus. I mean, it’s there’s a lot to put together. That is one of my guests is a political theologian, Steven Backhouse, who was instrumental in my kind of my deconstruction around nationalism, which is a whole nother part of the story. But he reached out to myself and another guy that we know to help him start this podcast called 10th theology. And it’s just about renewing the renewing the political imagination or renewing the imagination, just as somebody who’s a follower of the way, they’re not even a Christian, it’s this get to where you know, you’re your lead, or you’re following this way versus it, the big crux of it, just to kind of put it out there is also around the fundamental what we call fundamental evangelical Christians that are kind of dominating the conservative politics, the United States, it seems to be kind of almost like that. Everybody’s assumption is if you’re a Christian, I mean, I’m a white 46 year old Christian, technically from Texas, right. So I was like, Okay, well, then you must vote for you must have to vote for Donald Trump. You gay. I

Brandon Handley 46:08
mean, you gotta be Republican. Right? You

Unknown Speaker 46:10
can’t you hate gays, you Although run the whole gamut. And oh, my gosh, there’s a lot of people that are like waving the flags going, please don’t do that. Please don’t do that. Sure. Yeah. And so it’s challenging that narrative, as well as the internal narratives that we have. Because it’s not like, again, it’s not. This is where dualism comes into it. The answer isn’t for the Republican Party to go away. The answer isn’t for you, angelical Christians to go jump in a lake? The answer isn’t for liberals to die or liberals. It’s just not right. It’s not an answer. Right. Have you seen this historically? I mean, you find me a place where there’s where you eliminate all certain ethnicity, type, gender, religion, whatever. Show me where an elimination of that has led to prosperity? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:52
I don’t think elimination does it acceptance, does it? Well, man. Look, I always enjoy our conversation. I’m sure we could chat about quite a few other things. But you know, what would like one parting piece before you today to leave everybody with

Unknown Speaker 47:08
you? I know you like to ask them. When did you become first aware of yourself?

Brandon Handley 47:11
Yeah, that’s a good one. Sure.

Unknown Speaker 47:13
I was about six years old, I was going down the street called Murphy road in Missouri city, right outside of Houston, I can almost take you specifically toward that spot was and I remember, I just kept saying to myself as a very young person, who am I who am I, me, me, me. And I found myself kind of this understanding of your own consciousness, your understanding of your own self around what that means. And I do think there’s an is a very young person, absolutely ill equipped, and had no support structure to help me process that. And so I kind of put that voice to bed for a while. And it’s been a long time. kind of let it out a little bit. I think in the shower, that one day, it’s always there. But you’re kind of letting the world the voice win. And be domineering. And I think I would just encourage people to listen to that voice in their head that they’ve had in it those things that they think are cuckoo, or the things that they think are surely this is not something’s wrong, you know, I mean, if it if it starts to become part of an inner journey of awareness, yeah, it’s again, it’s scary, and it’s Rocky and it becomes really, really weird Twilight Zone music kind of stuff. But I think that’s, that’s the point. That’s one of the areas that we’re supposed to is that realization of self are and what it is, I think those that allows for us to embrace all these other things we hear about whether it’s giving of oneself or its community, or how do we sit at a table truly with somebody because we say all this stuff, like it’s easy, but when you’re actually sitting there with somebody and they’re looking at you going, No, Brandon, I can’t stand x kind of people because they’re all this or it you know, those that what about what about what about this? The biggest argument what what do you do about something breaks in your house? What about this? What about rapists? What about what about all the hundreds of the border that disappeared? You know, two years ago that somehow didn’t you’re only there for a little bit? Or? What if What if the democrats win the election? What are you gonna do about that? Right, because you’re just, you always have an argument to put that but that voice away, right, not listen to it, and then not embrace it. I would just encourage people to do so even if it’s crazy, even feels odd and weird, and it’s not gonna be like the movies. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 49:14
not gonna be like the movies. It’s not gonna be like the movies. Well, Sean, thank you so much for partnering with that one, too. And like you said, right, to become aware at such a young age and not have the system support for that. That’s look man that’s that’s that’s where I found myself at 40 right so becoming aware and maybe you know, to your point like maybe re becoming re aware I don’t know right? reborn right type of thing and, and recognizing it and instead of shoving it away like this is the moment now to accept that that is who you are, right framework or not, but this again, this podcast, you know, check out, come to the table podcast and look for places where what you’re actually Experiencing fits a framework. I actually, again, this is something I said last week on a podcast that I put out there. I wasn’t. I don’t know if that’s true for you or not. I wasn’t out there consuming all this information looking to have the experience. I had the experience and then I had to go look for the information so that I could understand it. Yes. So thank you so much, man. Appreciate you for being on today.

Unknown Speaker 50:23
Man. I appreciate what you’re doing. Keep it Keep up the good work and you keep it going, brother. Thanks for listening to the spiritual

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope, and thanks for joining me today I have with me, Christian Bradley West, the country clairvoyant. Um, first of all, I just loved the name. Right. And I think that that’s one of the reasons why we connected um, you know, obviously he’s a clairvoyant in the spirituality space artists, textile artists,

Unknown Speaker 0:28
author

Brandon Handley 0:30
podcaster and Instagram influencer. So, you know, a couple of things that you write in here, right is a, you know, dedicated to facilitate and clear vision with within others, so that they are no longer wandering in the wilderness asking the question is, how did I get here? What am I doing? What is my purpose? Who am I? And you know, you’re like, Hey, I’ll spare you all the brain science focuses on patterns and behaviors. And I’ll let you know, until you I know exactly how you got to where you are patterns and behaviors, right? And then, you know, you kind of say, Hey, I’m more like a spirit guide and a meat suit. Right. So this is a spirit guide me suit. What more do you need to know? Right? You know what, and so thanks for being here today. Appreciate it.

Christian Bradley West 1:19
Thank you. Thank you. And I have to say, I’m one of many. You are here, as well. We’re all booty. Buddhists. They were all Buddhists. Right? We’re all we’re all gods. So we’re all bad in some fashion. Some of us just, I’ve picked up the the staff, I suppose the staff are found in the wilderness and decided to go forward with Sure. Sure. No, I love that. Right.

Brandon Handley 1:41
I think that i think that that’s another part where the word awareness kind of gets tossed in and out, right, like, everybody is

Unknown Speaker 1:49
Buddha.

Brandon Handley 1:50
Right? Yeah. But it’s like whether or not you decide to be aware of it or not acknowledgement even. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, so what I like to start these off with is, you know, source speaks through us, right. And certain conditions and what this microphone is, right, is an amplifier. Right? Yeah. So, sources speaking through you today to specific people that listen to this podcast. What’s it saying? What’s the message that you’re here to deliver today?

Christian Bradley West 2:23
Ah, wow, he put me on the spot. Let’s see what’s coming through. Okay. So one thing that’s been coming through just recently is there’s there’s a lot Okay, let’s go here. There’s a lot of conspiracy theories out there. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of information, right. We live in the information age, there’s a lot of it, right. And there’s any number of different facets. There’s the truth, there’s the lies, there’s all those different things. And of course, people could say, oh, truth is relative, so forth, all that we get into all that talk, but we won’t right now. But we could say all of that. So. But what I will point to is that none of that matters. And you’re like, well, Krishna, of course, it matters. This information, we need this information to live to survive, what is it? What are you What is it? Why does it matter? And I say that because what only matters is the individual, you taking care of you. So there’s could be all that shit swirling around in the world. And it is not directly impacting you on a day to day basis. If it is not speaking to your own practice of awareness, then then really the focus I want now I feel like in my message period is I want people to focus on their own individual awareness, their own individual growth, and their own choices, because that is what drives the collective right. That’s what drives all of the other things. Because each of us is a piece of the whole and whole as a piece. Right. So, so, so that’s been showing up a lot in talks with friends, family, other people. And and I always want to point back to the consciousness of the individual. And yes, there are many things going on. But if we don’t have the facts and figures, then we probably want to just redirect our focus to what is true within us, and how we can participate with that. And instead of worrying about what’s going on in the rest of the world, although to be conscious of it is completely okay. And and to some degree necessary. Not not ignoring any of it, but also realizing what we can do in our daily life in order to contribute without getting caught up in all theories and conspiracies and all of those things.

Brandon Handley 4:49
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, there’s a there’s a lot of conspiracy theory shit out there right now. It’s just like yeah, it’s it’s like 2020 is a perfect storm for Yeah,

Christian Bradley West 5:01
movements around into cue non movement, there’s, there are literally, it feels like we’re living in a, in a, in a an apocalyptic novel, you know like science fiction it really feels that way to me sometimes it’s a little scary and entertaining at the same

Brandon Handley 5:19
time. I know that when it hit right I know I heard you said like you were all packed up and ready to go, right? You’re like, Hey, I did I did my supply shopping. But

Unknown Speaker 5:27
yeah,

Brandon Handley 5:28
when when we started seeing reports, my wife and I started seeing reports of like, you know, shipping rationed at the grocery store. I was like, Alright, we got to go online, we got to order, like we’re hitting up like restaurants, stores in order and stuff. And mind you, like we would have only lived like maybe six or seven days longer than anybody else. Right, but but we have the toilet

Unknown Speaker 5:51
paper.

Brandon Handley 5:53
But it seems like, you know, very apocalyptic. And at the same time, it’s, I think that I think it’s kind of great, because this is like that, that break that the world kind of needed, right? The disruption, like, you know, hey, everybody’s been asking for disruption. Like, we need to disrupt this that the other thing and yeah, you just got disrupted like massively. So you got what you asked for?

Christian Bradley West 6:19
Yeah, right. We were building to it. I mean, technology has been remarkably, art and science has been disruptive, throughout all of human history. And in the 20th century, of course, it essentially came to a certain head and in and it’s still doing, especially technology. Now, it is the primary disrupter. So and now we have, as you just mentioned, the these other impinging. Yeah, and what do we what do we do with it? How do we how do we essentially take the wildfire and use it to benefit? Well, I mean, I

Brandon Handley 6:59
love how you hit on that, you know, let’s, uh, you know, that talks a little bit. So like, I think your outcome is optimizing. Right? Yeah. And let’s talk about that a little bit. But um, let’s give people a little bit of backstory, right. concha clairvoyant. How did he come into existence?

Christian Bradley West 7:17
Well, and this is one incarnation, I’ll say, I don’t know if I will stay here, but it’s one of the titles I always joke. I’m like, Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It’s like I have 1000 titles in this life already. And, and I’m at the end of it, it’s just I am just Christian by the West. But how that came to be, was I oddly enough, without meaning to I had had this dream about being Native American. And then a week later, I found out that I actually had that in my bloodline through my father. And but what also happened is I did a soul retrieval because I grew up on power, the power 10 Nation property in Virginia, which is course related to Pocahontas. I literally live just miles down from Pocahontas State Park. So I grew up on that land. And, um, and had a lot of weird circumstances I always was had, I guess you could say psychic, aware, medium. And so what I did is I came back actually that week, without knowing having the dream I was coming back to Virginia from Georgia, with a dear dear friend who’s also an astrologer psychic, medium person. And he tuned in and he’s like, Oh, yeah, you died on that property. And we went through the whole thing. And so I went back there. And then on the drive back to Atlanta, I had the country live with me, which actually was an idea six months before, but I thought it was a distraction. I was like, oh, whatever, it’s much bullshit. And then like, but the voice was in my head, like, you have to do this. And here’s the interesting thing is that if I would not have started it about two and a half years ago, I would not know what I would be doing to make a living now, I don’t know what I would be doing. Because my books that I had then had been rejected, like, nothing was coming through like, this was the thing. And I’d started account previous, that took me six months to maybe get 1000 followers, and in the first month with this account with the Instagram account, for those that are listening, I had almost 4000 followers. So Beginner’s luck, essentially. And I was like, Okay, I guess this is what I’m doing now. And then it was like, okay, just start doing readings, which I had always done for friends and family, but then it was like, Okay, do this now. And I was like, Oh, shit. So,

Brandon Handley 9:29
so intuition. Intuition was saying,

Christian Bradley West 9:32
Yeah, there’s no Yeah, yeah. Just I, I jokingly say, people could easily probably call me schizophrenia. I’m not, but that they’re like, Oh, you hear voices? And I’m like, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 9:44
We kind of hit on that though, too. Right. Like, I mean, could I listen, my grandmother was schizophrenia, you know, but I went there for the diagnosis. But you know, could it have been? You know, intuition, could it have bad mediumship Couldn’t have been one or any of all these other things. Absolute just improperly received.

Christian Bradley West 10:06
Yeah. And I absolutely think that I sometimes I think there’s a direct line of mental illness with this work. Um, I’ve struggled with it periodically. Because I think when you’re, when you’re walking the margins of society in any way, shape or form, in your thought process, you definitely feel like an outsider. And if you’re getting information, and it’s coming in a quote, unquote, weird way, or odd way, it can definitely be that way. But we not only hear the positive, we hear potentially the negative as well. And sometimes you can get very consumed in those negative voices. And as we know, the collective is full of those voices going back to conspiracy theories and so forth. For so it’s hard to discern. So I think sometimes the mental illness gets augmented as bad or negative, because no one is there to cultivate the listening and how to discern between what’s coming through.

Brandon Handley 11:01
Right, right. And being able to, you know, tune in or tune out, right.

Christian Bradley West 11:08
Exactly. Filter weather, what radio station, yeah, what radio station and my tuning into, sometimes that dial is just all over the place, especially for people who are empathic, and I’m like, okay, the point is to learn what station you want to turn into and where they’re different stations. And that takes a tremendous amount of practice, and self awareness.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Yeah. So so you know, you’re headed back to Georgia, you decide the country clairvoyant, you spin up the Instagram account. You’ve got 4000 followers in a month, and people are probably like, how did you do that? But you basically just spun it up, and you were being your authentic self?

Christian Bradley West 11:46
Yeah, I decided that with his account, I was just gonna throw everything at the wall and see what stuck. Like, I just was like, This is who I am. I feel like I’ve had to learn and modify things within this space, not modify it in a negative sense, but but essentially almost like carving out a sculpture. There’s like, Okay, this, this works, this doesn’t work. And how and really what it is, is same with my writing is how do I refine how I use my voice? What am I saying? What do I want to say? Where do I want to direct this and become more strategic in my awareness of my own message? And it’s, it’s slowly evolving, I decided this will be just a meme account right now. Because I like that a lot of people go in, they change it like, Hey, this is a meme account. And now it’s gonna be a personal account. I don’t know. I kind of like it being little.

Brandon Handley 12:36
Right, right. Right. Yeah. No. So I mean, it is a meme. And it’s entertaining. Right. Lots of entertainment on there. And, you know, I think that, you know, from, from my perspective, and where I’m coming from, I was looking for kind of spiritual accounts that weren’t your everyday spiritual accounts. Yeah. I mean, look, there’s a lot of them out there.

Unknown Speaker 12:57
Yeah. And, and they’re great.

Brandon Handley 12:59
They’re great. But like, there’s, you know, spirituality isn’t all, you know, like, the beads. It’s not all like that, that that stupid dress that every hippie has. Yeah. And yeah, and all that. Right. Yeah. And that’s why I started following some of what you’re putting out there. Right. Yeah. Because I enjoyed it. It’s authentic. It’s real. And it Yeah, it is spiritual. The stuff that you’re saying is like, it’s legit, right? I know, because I got a book of what’s legit and what’s not behind me.

Christian Bradley West 13:33
Call your intuition. Right. Like, it’s

Brandon Handley 13:39
like, yeah, look, it’s you know, I try not to be like an elitist. But sometimes, like, You got it, you got to know where to cut the shit, right? Like, you know, this is like, you can tell some, some things apart from others. And that’s just it.

Christian Bradley West 13:52
It’s about the editing and the curating. And to me, I like to be very practical, to me, spirituality is simply rewiring the brain for more awareness, more openness to to the, to the perceived unknown anyway. And, and, and not getting so stuck in the mire of what have been right and thinking we know already. And we call it spirituality and the you know, if you look back at Hinduism, the Vedas, if you look all the way back to some of the very early spiritual texts, they all talk about, essentially changing your perspective and which which rewires the brain and the more you practice the different perspectives or the different thoughts, or it could be taken even further to live and no thought and allow things to arise from that. Then your life changes, your brain chemistry changes, your body chemistry changes, everything changes, and of course, the way that they taught me Kriya Yoga, the way you accelerate that practice is through your breath work, which is a Kriya Yoga, very separate from hatha because hot is great but Kriya Really is my favorite, because it really displaces it’s a disrupter, that breathwork is a disrupter. And literally, the thoughts, it forces the thoughts to stop. And then you just see them floating up there. And you’re like, Okay, and kind of like a tree you can pluck when you want, you know,

Brandon Handley 15:18
I love that. I love that. So I mean, I love the idea of no thought, Would you say that’s similar to surrender?

Christian Bradley West 15:28
Gosh, yes, I can definitely be an aspect of that. Because the mind very much so wants to assume and judge and categorize and label and detail and, and do all those things, which is a great tool. Again, though, it’s a tool. So either we’re using a hammer and the hammer is using us. So yeah, at some point in time, to essentially surrender the need to be thinking all the time, they need to be figuring out like, last night, I had this emotional state come over me where I was very angry. And I was like, let’s figure this out. And then I thought for a second, I was like, No, Christian, you can’t think your way through this. Let’s breathe our way through this. Let’s accept it to your point. Let’s surrender. Not to the circumstance, but let’s surrender to the awareness of the circumstance.

Brandon Handley 16:18
Right, right now, hundred percent hundred percent. Yeah. You know, in a situation where you’re angry, you know, you’re restricting the possibilities, right? Because you’ve got like this pinpoint, you know, thing or like, Scott, I have in this way, God dammit.

Christian Bradley West 16:35
Right. Or it didn’t happen that way. So God damn right.

Brandon Handley 16:38
Right. Right. Right. So like, like I had, I had, like, you know, the whole universe, and it’s got a it’s got land on this time. And if it doesn’t, I’m pissed as hell. And you’re not open or open to what are all these other possibilities? Right. And yeah, just literally kind of letting that flow through you.

Christian Bradley West 16:56
Yeah, absolutely. It’s good way to put it. Absolutely.

Brandon Handley 17:00
Well, you know, look, I mean, we’re, we are energy, energy currents, right, like, and just this body, the meatsuit. Right. Yeah. And the mind acts as a dam for that stuff, right? We’re like, well, like, I guess I’m just gonna have to stop it. It’s all gonna stay right here. And this is like, yeah, honey type flow. And you they again, you’re just restricted to this, like tiny space. Otherwise, you know, we’ve got the rest of the we’ve got the rest of the universe to work with. And we’re not even trying.

Christian Bradley West 17:27
No, well, and there’s something so there’s two things, the shamans, shamans are often called the hollow bones, right. So they’re the vessel that folds the spirit, whatever you want to say. And then, and then you also have, the way you’re talking about to me and an astrology thing is very Saturn nine way of looking at things from two different sides, which is, there’s a great book that I loved when I was young artists called the power of limits, and it talks about pie and proportion. And and how this this number definitely had a structure to it. But the structure was potentially infinite in its incarnations. And I always love that because to me, it’s like, yes, we’re in the meatsuit. But what how do we maximize the potential of this meatsuit? And and through adversity through potentially, which could be potentially very much so be suffering and certain challenges in life, we begin to recognize what we’re capable of beyond our conditioning beyond the domestication beyond the agreements, we were handed as children. And go Wait, But wait, there’s more. Right? But But how do we do that while maintaining an open space? I jokingly say we’re all walking vaginas for spirit.

Brandon Handley 18:45
Because the receive,

Christian Bradley West 18:46
right, right, because sometimes, we’re definitely there’s a structure to us. But there’s definitely something else and what people don’t realize the spirit isn’t outside. We are spirit, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. So so it’s like when we surrender, we’re not surrendering to something as much as we are, which is the way it looks to people. What we’re ultimately doing is we’re just allowing for our authentic nature without all the voices without allies without their old, old, old the past to get in the way of how we want to be now.

Brandon Handley 19:19
So how did you stumble on that for yourself? Ask me that again. How did I what I’ll just stumble on that for yourself. You know,

Christian Bradley West 19:26
was it was it something I yeah, so when I started very young, I always was I was always drawn to this stuff, which again, astrological look at my chart, it’s like, oh, yeah, you are spiritual as fuck and, and it’s true. I always was. I was always interested in all these weird things like the angels fairies and fantasy dragons, so forth, whatever. And then when I was when I was when I was 14, I started to realize I was gay. And that was very difficult because I was this devote Christian set. Baptist and had chosen that through actually my grandparents who were my archetype of unconditional love in my life. So I was like, of course, like, they’re showing me the way, so I’m going to do the church thing. Sure. And then the other aspect to it was that created so much stress, we all actually moved to Atlanta, at 16. So middle of high school, so I had to leave all my friends. And I developed Crohn’s disease as a child. So those two things kind of coming together. Like a

Brandon Handley 20:32
hydron Collider, right? Yes,

Christian Bradley West 20:33
it was. So those they end also dealing with parental abuse, as well as, as a child and as a teenager, mental, emotional, and physical, became all of those things created such intense suffering for me that I just essentially, that was my initial collapse. And at that point, time, if you want to call them angels, or whatever, showed up, I didn’t know who they were. But I was having these dreams with these beings and these feelings that I was having. And, and so a door open then and then I met started meeting through doing herbs and essential oils and my healing and things like that, because I got off the steroids. I was just done with the anti inflammatories they had me on went completely to herbs. So in those shops, I started to meet people that was like, Oh, I want to I want to get to know these people. What’s going on here? So yeah, so that was the beginning of it all.

Brandon Handley 21:31
So it’s a whole nother space. And so, you know, it’s funny, because you mentioned you’re gay. And and also, you know, you’re doing this clairvoyance. And you’re in the south.

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah.

Christian Bradley West 21:47
Hence the country clairvoyant.

Brandon Handley 21:49
Right. Right. So so for, you know, for for people tuning in, you know, if you’re not from the south, and if you haven’t ventured to the south, I hate to say it, you know, there’s a lot of parts in the south that really haven’t changed in the past 30 to 40 years. So for you to be in the position that you’re in doing what you’re doing, I’d say that’s brave, right, you know, in one sense of the word. But in the other side of that, there must have been, you know, this kind of fear stacked on fear. And I think I talked about it before, like, you know, what happens we like, not only are you gay, you’ve already you’re in the south, but now you’re like, I’m gonna be doing tarot readings. And, boy, and I’m psychic, who wants to hang out? Right? All right. So let’s talk about stepping into that space and what that was like for you.

Christian Bradley West 22:40
So to your point, very much so that I, for anyone that doesn’t know and the ones that listen in probably don’t, um, I come from a fear space and everywhere, so that you may say, like, you walk the path of love or fear, whatever the conscious or unconscious, I always come from the fear. And what I also realize I do is I do everything anyway. So if I feel very compelled and inspired to seek something out or to participate in some way, then I will do it, and nothing will stop me. Nothing. I will, I will go, Okay, this is what I’m doing now. And it’s interesting, because I haven’t dealt even being gay, I haven’t dealt with outside of high school, there hasn’t been any prejudice in my life. There’s never I’ve never stumbled. I also have dated very country, alpha boys a lot, they have tend to find me. And I have I was country boy, myself. So um, you know, inside, there’s, there’s one of those inside of me. So, um, so you know, it’s true. And so I’ve kind of, it’s odd how it’s all worked out. It’s, it’s, it’s strange, I really, I always say, I’m 50% country, 50% city. And so I just I go wherever I’m called. And I find those people, whether they’re in the country, or in the cut, you know, one way to say it, or, or if or if they’re actually, you know, in more urban areas, it’s funny, I feel very binary in that way that I kind of flow between the two. And the fear. Of course, in the beginning, it’s always the, you know, the strongest in the beginning, but I’ve just, I keep pushing past that. And when I started to do this, the fear was, oh my god, I’m gonna be in front of people talking and talking about my my philosophies, my, my own perspectives, and that felt very vulnerable, so that I’ve had to work through that a lot, as well. So have you found it to be empowering,

Brandon Handley 24:45
kind of facing those fears and and stepping into them?

Christian Bradley West 24:48
Absolutely. My perception is it’s always empowering for us because if we don’t turn around and look at what scares us, then we will Stay, what we resist persists. As they say, I find that to be very true. And it’s of great value, that we, that we dive deep, I still dive deep, I still, one thing I’m struggling with recently is wanting to be accepted by the group. I still feel that way sometimes. And if I’m still wanting that, then there’s still ego and be attached to some form of outcome. And so and so and afraid that I won’t get the love and approval that apparently some part of me desperately still wants

Brandon Handley 25:32
a madman No, I get it, I get it. And, you know, this is this is something I actually just did a transformational kind of session last week or the week before with the very same thing, like, you know, yeah, like, what’s your, you know, what’s your hang up? I’m like, it’s belonging, right. Like, it’s just, and that was in the session I did was it was great, right. But you know, just saying, I get the whole belonging part, right. And and so, you know, what do you do with that, right? And it sounds to me, like, Look, you just kind of keep stepping towards it, right? Like, that’s it,

Christian Bradley West 26:05
that’s it, you, you acknowledge the fear, and you go, and this, and I go, fuck you, you do not get to drive the car, right? And sometimes you don’t even get to sit in the backseat, sometimes you have to get in the trunk. And I just say, no, we’re not doing this, I really, I really have to have that conversation with myself. That’s not what I’m doing now.

Brandon Handley 26:27
That’s great. Now that we’re at now, where do you find that kind of impacting what it is that you do, and like, how you getting you know,

Christian Bradley West 26:35
so I show up, I participate. Because otherwise, if we feel ashamed, and we feel like what we don’t have to offer is a value to people. And shame being not I feel bad, but that I am bad, right? There is something wrong with me isn’t how I define shame. Um, and so if we feel any of that, and we’re essentially judging what we have to offer, then we’re doing a disservice to ourselves, but also to other people that might be seeking it. And right now, there’s this explosion of amazing people, like you and so many other people out there who are wanting to provide information to people that can help them on their journey. And if we’re not doing that, then we’re we’re essentially we’re allowing our, the junk to get in the way, and potentially being very selfish because of that, because we want to protect ourselves, right? So stepping into that space of vulnerability to me very consciously, I call becoming available. So I value being available. So I choose the availability and what it’s teaching me is to show up every day, because my inclination has been to go run in my room and hide sure the ad and become very introverted. Sure. And go, No, I don’t want to do that. And what if I get judged for it? And what if people don’t like it? And what? What if I fuck up? You know?

Brandon Handley 28:01
Yeah, no, look, I agree, right? I love that too. What if you fuck up? So what is your life? Right? Like, anyways? Like, you know,

Christian Bradley West 28:09
I cannot is that even true? Because as I as as one of my dearest friends on the planet says, you have to be every bend to be where you are.

Brandon Handley 28:16
Right? Well, I mean, it was funny. We’re getting ready for this podcast. And, you know, we’re working on the lighting and, and getting the video all set up. Right. And, and I didn’t say it, but like, you know, the deal is like it you worked a whole life to get to this point, you know, this is the best you’ve ever loved today,

Unknown Speaker 28:33
right now.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Right? So so I’m not gonna look any better today than you look right now. So, I love that, um, what if I called up so if I call you up for a session, you know, what, what type of sessions am I calling up for like,

Christian Bradley West 28:52
so there there is. There’s really two I I did put on my website, multiple options, but I find it doesn’t matter what you choose, because we will always get to the nitty gritty, we’ll always get to the source of whatever, whatever information is needed. Right now, the tools are different. Some people are more comfortable with astrology, so I can do that. Some people are more comfortable with Tarot. So I do that some people want Oracle cards, or some people don’t care. They just go you have information for me. You can help me clarify something. Let’s do it. Let’s go have a party together. So we do for like an hour and we we talk we throw cards. I always start off with numbers numerology, I don’t know why I’m terrible at math. And the universe is like, Oh, hey, we’re gonna have to do numerology in order to tune into this person. And it is it’s kind of like you giving me your passcode to the Wi Fi or your computer that we get in there. And it’s like, Okay, I see this happen. Like, it’s really,

Brandon Handley 29:54
yeah, it’s an it’s interesting process. That’s cool and use, I think I heard you say like, most of the people, a lot of people are calling about relationships and whatnot,

Christian Bradley West 30:04
relationships tends to be one of the primary, um, one of the primary discussions, one of the primary readings that people want. And it is a primary way that we learn, we, we learn relationally everything in this world is in relationship you’re in, we’re in relationship with our microphones right now with our, with our recording devices, with whatever. So, um, but human relationship tends to cause the most amount of drama, because it is so nuanced, and so and instigate the triggers, sure, that require our attention in any given moment, for our healing, which, from my perspective, the root of the word healing is just hope. So it’s whatever is going to lead us into more homes. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:58
Yeah. No, and I love that right. When your relationship with someone over time they get to know all your triggers, right. Yeah. And, you know, they keep pushing them and to balance with you, you know, that’s where we learn how, where our points are that need to be fixed, right? That’s what yeah, it’s not them. It’s like these are these are your triggers. They’re not

Christian Bradley West 31:18
their triggers? No. Well, and and if you are conscious enough, then you’ll choose someone who’s not going to do it on purpose, or, or maliciously, because some people do that some people will weaponize the triggers, and general use them in order to manipulate or do whatever. And I’ve experienced that in my life. And I’ll and I’ll be like, Okay, this is, you know, you’re operating in this fashion. Can we discuss about this? And, and how can I change it out also in this, like, what’s going on here. And for me, what I realized is a lot of those relationships I had to step away from, because if someone was unaware of their own triggers as well. And, and, and also triggering other people to say, if you, if you don’t heal your wounds, you’ll bleed on others. So it’s important. It’s really important to understand who we are, and then also look at our partners and understand them so that we can be of service to their own process. Yeah, so hopefully, that happens. I don’t see that a lot. But I do see it changing. There are a lot of people out there who are ready to come together. We talk about unconscious coupling, our conscious uncoupling, but most of it is unconscious coupled instead. Right? Right, right.

Brandon Handley 32:37
Absolutely. I mean, look, I can’t I can’t say that. I can’t save the relationship that I’m in now that it was like a, it was a conscious decision.

Christian Bradley West 32:46
No, but it can become that it becomes that like over

Brandon Handley 32:50
Yeah, right. Like, absolutely. And as you kind of, I don’t want to say evolve, like, I don’t like the words evolve. I don’t like the, you know, leveling up or any of that shit. Like, it’s, again, I struggle

Christian Bradley West 33:00
with it to

Brandon Handley 33:02
remembering who you are getting back to your true sense of self, right? Like, because

Christian Bradley West 33:09
we’ll frame it in the way of the physical realm, it appears that we’re expanding or leveling up, it appears that way. But if we’re coming from a space of wholeness, and spirit, and in that spirit of wholeness already, then you already recognize the entirety exists. So you’re not trying to grab something in order to expand or level up, you’re just going, Okay, it already exists. And I’m going through the motions here, of this experience and this physical reality. So it appears that things expand and contract here, but of course, when you’re looking at it from a different perspective, everything already exists. And already is and its wholeness.

Brandon Handley 33:47
Right, so everything already exists. You just got Yeah, I’m aware of it. Right. Like that’s the that’s Yes, the line. That’s the line. What, um, all right, look, I love it. Right. Um, let’s see what else I have for you today. We talked about alkalizing your stuff, right? I pulled that out of one of the podcasts that you kind of mentioned. If someone’s not familiar with a, you know, alchemy beyond transmuting gold, you know, lead into gold added to gold. Yeah, from back in the day. You know, let’s talk a little bit about what does it mean to optimize?

Christian Bradley West 34:18
Yeah, so it’s I also in my very country way, other way I do it is using manure to grow wild flowers. So it’s taking your life’s shit, right? And then consciously applying it going, Okay, what’s the lesson throwing it on the garden? You know, and of course, everyone knows if anyone’s ever had a garden it requires tremendous tending, right because the deer come and eat things or other critters and you have any insects and all that stuff. So you have to tend to it that way. And you have to fertilize it. You have to decide some soils need extra things in order to PR certain plants to grow and you know, so It really it’s about becoming aware of what happened. What was the trauma? What was the junk mean going, how can I use this, for instance, speaking about my relationships, one relationship in particular, the person had been molested and was an alcoholic. And it I started to research more about shame, I started to research more about what healthy relationships look like, as well. I started to research all these things. And it gave me a whole nother set of tools that I wasn’t using. And so yes, that relationship was very painful and heart wrenching, and very difficult to go through. Sure. And I left it with all this information. And now I work with a lot of people who have struggled with those same things either within themselves or within relationships with their partners. And now I say, Okay, here are some tools that I have to try that. So that’s one way outcome is it it’s like, okay, don’t focus on the negative aspects of it. Although acknowledge it, don’t bypass it. Okay, that was painful. That hurt like crap. But but then attend to it and go, Okay, well, well, how can I? What did I learn? what’s the takeaway? What’s that? So in alchemy, of course, you have the fire, right? And the fire burns away everything that isn’t the gold, and you’re left with the gold. And so the alchemy to me is really a process of recognizing the value in every circumstance, and taking that gold and turning into something else. And I also say, from grid into gold, so it’s like, we take it and and we make it our own. But alchemy is the process that we’re responsible for. We also another aspect of alchemy is applying meaning to your own life, and not allowing another person place or thing, some authority outside of you to apply the meaning. You get to decide what that relationship meant, what that circumstance meant, what that event meant to you. And no one else can decide that for you. And in that way, you’re optimizing it.

Brandon Handley 36:59
Yeah, no, I mean, and I think in that situation, too, you become the true creator of your own life. Right? Like, yeah, and you’ve got all the pieces, the bits and pieces and the parts, but at some point, you realize that you are designing your own life, and you’ve got your own meaning your own purpose, your own. Yeah, you know, set of logic that makes it all happen, right? Yeah. And I saw, I love that there was another piece he said to talk about, like linearity, right? None of this is like not linear, right? None of this is linear. So anybody who says like, Listen, all you got to do is go or point A, at the left over here at point B, and you should arrive here at C, as you know, that’s the direction you go linear. What did you mean? Yeah, what do you mean by that, like?

Christian Bradley West 37:45
So I, one way that I, that I described it that I love is if anyone seen the seed of life, in anyone, google it if you if you’re listening, and you don’t know it, so it’s a set of seven circles, right? But they can expand into multiple more circles. And then if you really, if you look at it from a different perspective, it becomes a spiral. So you go around one circle, but then you hit on another circle and sons go around that circle, then you go around that circle, then you are on that circle, and then you go around that circle, then you go around that circle, and then you kind of sometimes hit on some of the things from that you’ve already learned, but then you go around it again. And so it’s, it’s not this straight. It’s not this, what I call vector consciousness, it doesn’t run on a straight line, no consciousness runs on a straight line. That’s essentially also what I would call in computer terms in AI as well, like a current AI is running on one terms, but of course, in AI talk, there’s also something called panoramic AI, which can see the whole picture, it’s not running on a vector anymore. And our consciousness is kind of like that. We start off with this linearity with this vector, okay, it’s one line. And then once we awaken, we start to realize we become panoramic, our vision becomes panoramic, when you start to see all these different circles, all these different things and to your point, um, you stop going, there’s just a dime, you go. There’s so many times there’s so many options. There’s so many ways of going about this. And, and sometimes, like in my healing of my body, I’ve had to target it from multiple ways through exercise, through herbs, through Central oils, sometimes through baths through eating certain foods through things like that. I haven’t healed my gut from just choosing Okay, I’m going to take this one medicine, and it’s going to fix everything, because there is no silver bullet usually. So in the linearity comes the exploration of the experience that

Brandon Handley 39:38
I love that dude, um, you know, just just while you’re talking about you know, healing the gut, right. Did you go through like I Vedic, uh, you know, how did you

Christian Bradley West 39:47
I try that early on. And what what I what has worked. Actually I’ve recently changed it up what has worked recently because I had another bout because I took a lot of animals For a tooth and jaw infection earlier this year, and was disrupted again. And what work this time is I have flooded myself with multiple strains of probiotics or different non dairy because I can’t do dairy. I’m non dairy yogurts, also taking certain probiotics, and also just really monitoring what is going into my body, I don’t eat really greasy food, I tend to do my best to stay away from refined sugars, and just allow anything that could potentially promote inflammation I stay away from, and then anything like herbs like marshmallow and slippery elm that kind of helped the mucosal lining, and we’re gonna sciency in that in that zone to help rebuild it, because the antibiotics kill is good bacteria that kind of helped keep that. So what I want to do is create an environment it was like, Okay, if I killed them all off, right? How do I support their regeneration? Right. Um, and before though, in the past, it’s been just like, bombarding myself with herbs. But, um, but this go round, I was like, I want to be more dynamic. So even in my practice of my life, I’m choosing to operate in that dynamic space, which again, the non linearity has benefited me greatly. And I’m, I say, I’m in the trenches with everyone. I’m over here do.

Brandon Handley 41:34
Right, right. I mean, I mean, none, I don’t think anybody’s like, perfect with all this stuff. Right. And they caught That’s why they call it that’s why I call it practice, right? Like, this is this is your practice, right? This is what you do. And these are the things that you’re doing. These are the habits that you created yourself. Um, yeah. And, you know, they serve you today, like, in a week, they could all fall apart. None of it’s working anymore. Right? Exactly.

Christian Bradley West 41:57
Oh, which has happened, which is happened.

Brandon Handley 42:01
Tanya, so I, you know, one of the things, you know, we see out there, at least, that’s what I see, you know, in this motivational, entrepreneurial, all this other stuff, right, like, stay the course, just keep with it, keep sticking with it, and you’ll make it or whatever. And you know, or don’t deviate, there’s discipline, you got to stick with it, the rigor, yada, yada, yada. And so that can make it difficult to let go of some of the habits that you’ve created, or some of the things that you’ve done. So talk about, like breaking the habits that aren’t serving you anymore, and recognizing that they’re not serving you anymore.

Christian Bradley West 42:33
This is a couple of things here, I say keep going does not mean doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So keep going and staying consistent does not mean that you don’t adapt, you consistently adapt. So that’s what you bring into the fold there. At least that’s been my lesson. And then the other part of it is research shows because I’ve done a lot of research, I’ve researched this a lot myself, research shows that we don’t break habits. So we have these grooves in our brains, right, we create this neural pathway. And what ends up happening is we choose differently. So that old neural pathway essentially grows over and starts to disintegrate as we start using a new one. And I struggle with the term habit, because any habit to me feels unconscious. So the only habit I think anyone needs is to be present and do everything on purpose. Because if you are it breaks the pattern of I have to do it the right way. Because the linearity comes through with the right way I have to do this, I have to learn as you said, You know, I have to follow this structure, I have to do it this way. Well, if that structure is not working anymore, then you become curious about it. And you go, Okay, is there a different structure, and then you start to research and then you start to find that there’s other options. There’s other ways of doing it. And so, And to me, that’s living on purpose. It’s and then connecting it to what we talked about earlier with conspiracy theories is is I say, be a researcher ask questions, because that is going to forward our momentum, with our consciousness and with anything we do. So if for whatever reason you quote unquote, as they say, gets stuck, then the next thing to do is go Okay, am I operating out of out of a habitual mode? And can I change that so again, the and they may be the only habit. The other habit is when you’re operating on purpose in the present is that you’re also adapting. So each moment has its own set of circumstances that are very individual and as unique as the individual approaching them. So it’s of great value for us to recognize what’s useful there because what it’s like another example I use for being very linear is going okay, I’ve been using the screwdriver, you know, to to drew screws, but now it’s time to use a nail. Well, if you try and hammer The nail with the screwdriver, that’s going to be really difficult. So get the damn hammer and stop trying to use the screwdriver and go kind of stuff this isn’t working, it’s like, No, just fine, adapt and locate the tool become aware of the tool that’s going to support you through the process.

Brandon Handley 45:19
Yeah, I mean, I like that a lot. Because, you know, be aware that you don’t have the tool that you need for the process right then and there. Right? Like being being aware that this, this tool doesn’t serve this process. What is the tool that you need? Right?

Christian Bradley West 45:34
Well, and so like I say, on my website, if you can’t see the forest for the trees, then maybe you need to listen to the forest. Maybe you need to feel the forest, maybe there’s a different way of moving through the circumstance that you’re not aware of. Because maybe you’re not supposed to see the forest through the trees. Maybe that’s not the point. Then you then you stop doing that you go, Okay, I need to close my eyes and just feel out what to do.

Brandon Handley 45:58
Yeah, yeah. I love that. There’s another there’s another piece that I’ve seen a lot too is like cleaning your energies by leaning up on a tree, right? type? Yeah. But I mean, there’s so many, you know, so many different places to go with that. You know, you also mentioned, you know, just asking the different questions, right. I’ve recently read a book called, asking a more beautiful question. Right, and just talking about it, but and it gotten to the one point and really what I loved is, you know, talking about when you decided to become like the clairvoyant and really lean into the space, you could have done this, that or you could have chosen another path, right. And one of the questions that he had in the book, and I love it is, you know, which one of these makes a better story, you know, at the end of the day, right? Which, which one of these, which one of these motions do I take in life is going to make a better story? And he’s, like, always choose the one that’s going to have the better story,

Christian Bradley West 46:55
right? Oh, God, I think I have done that my whole life. I think I chose to do that when I was very young and have been devastated by it, but in the best possible.

Brandon Handley 47:05
I mean, you know, I’ll throw it out there. Like, uh, you know, sometimes I’ll pick like, some hotels or motels that I probably shouldn’t, right. But I’m more interested in the outcome, right, like, what happened what’s gonna happen with it when I went to one where there was like, a Stanley Steamer, you know, vacuum van in there, and it looks like there’s probably a murder getting cleaned up. Right. And, and, and when I got up into my hotel room, like the the frame of the hotel door, solid steel, and there was like, dense in there. I was like, this is just a bad idea. And I stayed there anyways. But um, you know, I was showing and sharing pictures with other people are like, Yeah, no,

Christian Bradley West 47:43
you know, I actually, I stayed in a hotel in New York, I stayed in a room that had a murder. I and I, and I had nowhere to go. I had to stay there that night. And I went downstairs and said, I need extra sheets, because somehow the bed sheet had come apart. And there was no bed cover. And the and I knew exactly what it was because I’d seen it enough. The entire mattress was soaked with blood. Kidding me it No, it was it was and it was before I had a camera phone. So it was a while ago. And But yeah, I pulled it back. And somehow and I was like, This is soaked. I say this is soaked through it. But somebody died here. somebody died on this mattress, and they did not get rid of it. Yeah, so anyway, interesting story that I really tell but you

Unknown Speaker 48:36
know, tell stories. Just say

Christian Bradley West 48:39
I was downstairs and I was like, I need to change rooms. Or we need it. I need more linens. I need something to not be so close to this mat dead mattress. And there was no other place to go. And I didn’t want to change hotels and it was too late. So yeah, cuz I’d gotten in like way early in the morning. So yeah, so anyway, so it was an interesting experience. I was like, Oh, crap, someone died on in this bed.

Brandon Handley 49:06
So so you chose the better story like I did with the good out? No, it could have gone somewhere else anything else could happen? And you’ll be like, I was bloody I left but no, you bloody

Unknown Speaker 49:19
does that you do. Um, and that’s,

Brandon Handley 49:21
that’s that’s I mean, that’s to me. I think that’s kind of like that. That’s what makes life kind of fun, though. You know, making this choice. Yeah, like, you know, I could totally go stay at the nice place and that’s okay. Yeah, this is something else like there’s life yeah, there’s life in this place right in this space.

Christian Bradley West 49:37
Try with follow your intuition people. Something says don’t go there. Don’t

Brandon Handley 49:43
know. Are you are you a follow your bliss kind of guy or you know, where do you stand with that?

Christian Bradley West 49:48
Um, I think that gets really tricky because bliss can come from judgment, sometimes what I think is better or best or superior. Sometimes people go Oh, This is better than that. And so yes and no, what I am is follow your intuition. Follow, get very grounded in your own being, and your own authenticity and your values, what works for you, I like to make it very practical, because otherwise follow your bliss can be running from one thing of happiness to the other. And I don’t subscribe. I don’t like the word happiness, happiness, to me, points to the ephemeral pleasures that we experience in this life. And that’s not to say you can’t enjoy them was to say, though, is is to constantly be chasing it is like, is like trying to constantly chase the butterfly, you will never ever get it once you do get it What then? You know. So to me, it’s about creating your bliss, not following it. So you want to create it. And there are tools, which was to do that.

Unknown Speaker 50:51
What’s your favorite one?

Christian Bradley West 50:53
Um, well, we talked about the Four Agreements earlier from what I do. Every time I got your precise moment. I think whatever works, that works for me very early on, I’m actually rereading it. What I like the most about it is I think we only need one agreement with ourselves, which is to be honest with ourselves to be and to frame it in his way to be impeccable with your word. So be aware of the stories that we tell ourselves. So to your point, I’ll say, I’ve made the agreement to be honest with myself no matter what. So if there’s if I feel a certain way, or I’m thinking a certain way, oftentimes, I’ll stop like last night when I felt angry. And so there’s a narrative here, there’s a story, I’m not being honest with myself, there’s a lie living in me, and I want to confront it, and move through it. And record. And usually the lie for me is, you are not a value, your voice is not a value. You weren’t valued and recognized by people and as a child, or you were bullied or whatever. And I still feel very viscerally that way, even though the circumstances sometimes are not there. And sometimes you can be triggered by this lawless thing. And, and some days, I don’t feel it at all. And other days I do. So I just recognize the story. And then I decide to drop it and I go, you know what, I’m the author or authority of my life, right, which has the word author in it. I’m writing this, and I want to write a more peaceful story here. And this doesn’t, this doesn’t. This doesn’t add up. This doesn’t compute anymore. And I say Thank you Next.

Brandon Handley 52:24
Nice. Yeah. So so you kind of you confront it, right? You acknowledge it, and you determine whether or not it’s serving you or not. Yeah. And if not, you’re like, you know, what is my desired outcome? Right? Peace. What

Christian Bradley West 52:38
do I want to do now? Yeah, what do I want to do now? And I wouldn’t even call it a desired outcome. Because desiring peace, to me is the antithesis of having peace, but I just choose it, right? I just say, Okay, this is I’m gonna choose this now, and not even let another story get in the way.

Brandon Handley 52:52
Right, right. What is it? The whole the lady that goes up to Buddha was like, you know, I want happiness or something like that. He’s, like, removed the I removed the want and, you know, just be, you know, happiness or whatever.

Christian Bradley West 53:05
Yeah, exactly. So

Unknown Speaker 53:07
and

Brandon Handley 53:08
then you’ve got, you’ve got some books in process, right, let’s talk a minute or two about the

Christian Bradley West 53:14
lineup, right? Well, my mentor says they’re all the same book. Um, so the one that’s almost finished is is called Zora and the songs of singularity, and it’s about a dog that becomes conscious through nanotechnology, or humans disappear. And she realizes that it’s happened because, and militant AI has destroyed the planet or created an apocalypse. And she has to confront the AI in order to save her humans. So she was like, but just a dog for him. Yeah, kind of exactly. which I love. He said that because today, I was like, Oh, I kind of want to watch the matrix again. So I love you said that. So kind of, yeah, it’s kind of a cry. It’s kind of a doggy matrix. You know, Neuromancer, if anyone has read William Gibson’s Neuromancer, which, by the way, inspired the matrix, and then we’ll crosskeys won’t deny it. And then the other than to the graphic

Brandon Handley 54:07
was that the

Christian Bradley West 54:08
graphic novel or that it was turned into a graphic novel, but it was originally I think, published in 1986. by William Gibson, it’s a wonderful book for anyone’s to read it, it really it was, it was where cyberspace was coined, he really did. And it’s about confronting an AI. But really confronting the people that want to stop it, but it’s an interesting read for those sci fi people out there. But, um, so that that book is forthcoming. Um, I’m finishing this other draft, it started in 2011. Just keep sitting it down and sending it out, and it just keeps getting rejected. So we’ll see if it’s different this time because I reframed it as a young adult, because my other two books are for adults. And I said, Well, why not have it? And as always, it has a spiritual bands. It’s about becoming conscious. And then once you become conscious, how do you use that consciousness? And then the other book, which I’m starting out as a podcast, is called here on purpose. And the podcast name is called, you’re here on purpose. And that’s the spirituality book. It’s just point blank, what my philosophy is, and I, my philosophy being that everything is on purpose. And we get to, but we get to decide that purpose ultimately, within the framework of, of all the other purpose. And so what what is a value at any given moment? And how do we embrace our own value and the significance of the now? Yeah, no, no? Yeah. Yeah. So those are the two and then I have a memoir that’s solely about my own story, because for some reason, I have to get that out of me. I don’t know. I don’t know if anything will come of that. But I’ve already I’m already a fourth of the way done. So I love it. And I think that, you know, you talked about before, like, it’s ultimately it’s about self expression. Right. expressing yourself. Always. That is I love it. Yes. That’s my word. Yes. It’s always about. You know, Rumi said, it’s, it’s not about finding the love, but I think it was me that said it but removing the blocks to it. And I feel like ultimately, what we call love is also just just expression, pure, utter, authentic expression, and we am moving toward that in her life and dropping everything that blocks that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 56:22
Let me get rid of the stuff that’s not serving you. Right. Yeah. So the podcast is coming out when

Christian Bradley West 56:30
the plan is October. And like I said, it’s it’s a devotional kind of daily or weekly. It’s not very long. I it’s just it’s just me. And some meanderings that I see people might might enjoy just thought provoking, just getting people to ask questions that you can easily listen to and 10 to 15 minutes and go about your day. Yeah. Yeah. Does that Thunder?

Brandon Handley 56:59
One of my children? Ah ha ha. like thunder, but different. Um,

Unknown Speaker 57:09
and then, uh, you know, where can people connect with you?

Christian Bradley West 57:12
So you can find me on the country clairvoyant.com my website or Christian be West? And hold on a second apparently. There’s I if I disappeared. phone call was coming through. I’m back. Yeah, so sorry, guys. So yeah, Christian be West, or the country, February’s calm Hussein website, or on Instagram, the country clairvoyant.com or if you Google or look up Christian Bradley West, you can find me very easily on every platform. Um, I’m also on Twitter. I don’t do a lot there yet. I’m kind of in love with Instagram. Mostly. Sometimes it annoys me, but I think our social medias go Yeah, I feel like

Brandon Handley 57:56
that’s a more of a authentic kind of nature to it. Right? I don’t know.

Christian Bradley West 58:00
Yeah, well, people face it, Facebook will stop messing with it. But yeah. Fair enough.

Unknown Speaker 58:08
Fair enough. Um,

Brandon Handley 58:09
any, any parting words, anything that, uh, that we didn’t cover that you feel like should have came out on this podcast,

Christian Bradley West 58:19
the source of all abundance, and is going to be gratitude. If people we didn’t talk about abundance, or the law of attraction, or any of those things there’s a lot of people get into or want to know about, and I just say, grateful, I am completely grateful we’ve had this talk is just delightful. I love doing this. And, and, and from my perspective, maintaining a state of gratitude is serves us

Brandon Handley 58:46
could talk about the word I mean, talk about that, though, is that a feeling? Is it a thought?

Christian Bradley West 58:51
It can be it can be instigated as by thought. My practice is for people. And this is a great place to end on is put your hand on your heart. And then you can think of something that you’re grateful for. But then drop that in, simply feel into the gratitude. And don’t make it contingent on something that you think you need for your happiness. simply move into it, there was a great story of a Japanese a Japanese wise woman and and and a man went to her and said I need to know how to be enlightened. And she gave him this one word that said, Thank you, I have no complaints. And he went throughout the whole way. He went throughout the whole year on this journey and it comes back to a year later and he goes I still am still not enlightened. And I’ve been saying what you’ve been saying every day. I’ve been practicing it. And she said thank you. I had no complaints and he got it. Hmm gratitude disrupts the complainer within us and and opens the way for any number of experiences to present it. Are life.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
Awesome. Thank you so much for being on today.

Christian Bradley West 1:00:04
Thank you my friend. Oh, it was so great. Thank you. Thank you.

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is this the hierarchy you seek?

Brandon Handley 0:01
321 A their spiritual dose, it’s time for another dose of that time for another hit of that spiritual dope. Hey there guys. It’s Brandon Handley. And I’m here today with an episode that is about self expression. And we’re gonna dig deep into what that means for you. And we’re going to take a look at, you know, we’re going to take a look at this, because I think that a lot of people think about self expression as

Unknown Speaker 0:33
that thing

Brandon Handley 0:34
that everybody else sees, right? You know, when we, if we remember Madonna’s Express jewels of Hey Nana, what we don’t what, what we and what even what she was saying was, you know, let people see kind of what’s outside of you the I think this is like the armor that most people put on to keep themselves safe versus the vulnerability as it were a being yourself and letting that come out. And that’s really what we’re going to get into, right? Because how do

Unknown Speaker 1:09
you approach

Brandon Handley 1:11
self expression? Right? And how can you express the approaches and maybe another way and everything that we’ve talked about here and the up to this point these six different pieces actually is a six seven I don’t know the look of the number but uh, you know, we everything culminates into the final piece which is self expression. And that is what is within you right inside of you, the self

Unknown Speaker 1:46
coming out,

Brandon Handley 1:48
coming out of you all the way out and into being and, and so I think one of the first places I actually realized this was In

Unknown Speaker 2:01
Maslow’s hierarchy

Brandon Handley 2:02
of needs of all places, you’d seen it like a million times, seen it so many times in marketing materials, mostly marketing materials, you definitely see it in psychology. And what do you think it means then? totally changes, right. And I think that this goes to the fact of when we’re talking

Unknown Speaker 2:24
about reading

Brandon Handley 2:26
a book when we’re talking about reading certain materials. When we’re talking about rereading these things. It’s not the materials that’s changed. It’s not the

Unknown Speaker 2:36
book that has changed. It’s you.

Brandon Handley 2:40
You something about you is different. Now something about you has changed. So let’s just for giggles let’s go through Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, right. The first one’s going to be your physiological right your needs for warmth and shelter.

Unknown Speaker 3:01
First sex

Unknown Speaker 3:02
sleep, we’re going to need to go through all of these

Brandon Handley 3:05
as we, you know, if you’re thinking about all those things, then you really don’t make it anywhere else. Right? So fundamentally, the foundation is physiological.

Unknown Speaker 3:17
The second one is safety.

Brandon Handley 3:20
You know, if you’re not feeling safe, if you’re not, if you’re if you’re in a bad space, then then you’re not going anywhere, right? And I think that Examples include social stability. Next on the list is, you know, feeling loved or belonging, right, maybe you’re in a certain scenario, and if you don’t feel like you belong, then you’re looking for

Unknown Speaker 3:43
a way to get out.

Brandon Handley 3:44
Right? You’re looking for a place that was somewhere else that you can go where people understand who you are, and what it is

Unknown Speaker 3:50
that you bring to the situation,

Brandon Handley 3:52
value you. And that really brings us up to the next one is how do you feel valued, right? What is your worth? How do you feel valued? And and, you know, this comes from inside and outside. And this is I think this is this one teeters in between this is number four and this teeters in between number five, right? Because you finally get into number five and number five is is that self actualization, right? That’s self actualization. And now, now that you’re familiar with all these I want, I want to share something else with you that I certainly never been aware of, until kind of experiencing these things and until really just exploring Maslow’s hierarchy of needs. Because when you first see this, it’s very, they’re very fundamental, right? very fundamental. And you just like, you’re just like, Well, here are these five things. And you know, everybody needs these things. And once I know, you know, where am I marketing to, right? And once you get out of how you’re applying this to everyone else out there, and you start taking on how you’re applying it to you, it takes on a whole different meaning.

Unknown Speaker 5:00
Because

Brandon Handley 5:03
he talks about talks about each of these, each of these four, right, the first four physiological safety, love esteem. And, you know, these these are what they call deficiency. deficiency needs, right? So what that means is, if you don’t already have these, then you’re going to go get them and you’re going to go you’re going to go look for him. You’ve there’s like kind of a scarcity approach to this once you and then once you go get these though, you don’t seek any more of them, right? So once once you’ve acquired some of

Unknown Speaker 5:39
these certain spaces, to take your

Brandon Handley 5:41
housing for example, you go get a house. How many more? Do you need to make sure that you’re sheltered and you’re safe and you’re warm and you’ve got a place to shower? Take sex for example, right? Once you’ve already had some sex for the day, at least or whatever, you know, how many more times do you need to have it? How many more times you look in the habit that day or even In a period of time

Unknown Speaker 6:03
and so

Unknown Speaker 6:04
once you’ve acquired

Brandon Handley 6:06
some of those things that the motivation factor you know, drastically drops what food once you’ve eaten once you’ve already had your meal for the day or the day or even lunch or snack right it’s your mind is preoccupied with this is where you know self actualization is actually a little bit different, it puts us in the category of a being need and you know being need is a you know also in the grow in the growth space right. So, and the thing is is once you find this self actualization space and and you can um, you begin to grow, the desire for that increases, so, that, you know, this this is like the continuous growth continuing to, to want more of kind of That and for me, it’s this is kind of my term, right this is you want another spiritual dope, you’ve hit a certain space, and you’ve gone to a certain place, you’ve extended beyond what you thought was possible for yourself, or you’ve gotten a taste of what is possible for yourself,

Unknown Speaker 7:15
if you show up and if you decide to put the effort in.

Brandon Handley 7:20
And you want more of that, right? This can happen with an athlete, this can happen with just being a badass parent. This can happen with work, this can happen with finance, you know, so this shows up in a number of different places, not just the spiritual realm. But it does it is something that once you kind of take it all in and internalized it, you begin to actualize it, and that actualization really means that you’re pushing out from within what is inside of you. You’re

Unknown Speaker 7:56
excuse me, it’s

Brandon Handley 7:58
It is literally I mean, that’s what actually realization means and you’re letting that come from within and out. And I think that another word that really captures this is

Unknown Speaker 8:09
where did I get here?

Brandon Handley 8:11
I jotted down some notes here for this but enthusiasm is another one that’s really big for this idea and thoughts based you know, that comment, you know, you put it together with self actualization, which is to make what is within you real on the outside, right? I mean, that’s the culmination guys here. That’s, that’s the thoughts into things people that is that is connecting with your higher self and, you know, what, with

Unknown Speaker 8:39
within those deficiency needs,

Brandon Handley 8:41
right? Initially, it was thought that you had to have all those met, and you don’t, okay, you don’t have to wait until somebody else on the outside shows you that you’re valued. You don’t have to wait until all these other needs are met. What you want to do What if you’re capable of capturing just a moment, within your mind, all that all that is possible for you. And even if it’s a small thing that you think is possible for you start taking the steps towards that one thing. This is the momentum. This is that taste of growth. And once you find that for yourself, it’s really hard to stop going after. It’s really hard stop going after it. And so the challenge is finding it within yourself and you will 100% you will find this within yourself, you’re already finding pieces of it and it’s just a matter of, do you have the faith? Do you have the, the confidence in yourself to go ahead and kind of manifest that? do are you and you don’t have to, you don’t have to? You don’t have to see it through the not see it through the DM but you don’t. It’s if you can see it can happen, right. This is just kind of the vision but again, so

Unknown Speaker 10:00
Taking what’s within, you know,

Brandon Handley 10:03
realizing that you’ve got some of these other needs and just kind of understand the hierarchy of all these things and realize that there’s a place that you’re going to get to, if you’re not already there, and if you’ve already tasted it, understand where it where it kind of fits and understand what some of those motivators are, and and see how it all fits. And and again, I’m gonna go back to this is this is also the springboard of enthusiasm This is also where spirituality comes into it This is also where you where I come into it and how I feel about it and my personal approach but enthusiasm, right and and Greek meaning Theo’s the God, meaning God and then in Theo’s possessed by God inspired right. And to let this out of you this is the expression of your actualization you know, making what is within coming To the real and I know that I’ve hit on it a couple times and I just want you to I just want you to see this for yourself and realize that this isn’t just mindless prattle This is if any space that you look at in psychology and religion and and just kind of athletes, right? Even as athletically inclined people, this is what drives and motivates them, right once they realize that, that they can accomplish these certain things with these physical feats. And while certainly a little bit more physically visible and socially acceptable, it also works from the inside out, right? And you’re gonna need to for me, I think for yourself, you need to you need to make a decision for yourself to make this leap right from and like I said, from, from humanity to divinity, right, you begin to look for evidence that this is real for you. You’re able to see something inside and have it show up on the outside, right. And once you make this decision, you will find that all of the fragments of this truth for yourself up until this point will finally relate to the whole. And this is this is where I kind of want to get you to. This is where we are all working towards this is the the pinnacle, right? I mean, this is not the pinnacle of the hierarchy of needs, that once we get to this space, it becomes become so unreal, that it can’t be anything but real. And, again, let’s work together. If you’ve made it through here, I’ll

Unknown Speaker 12:45
figure out some way to

Brandon Handley 12:47
help you out right if you made it all the way through all these different bits and pieces of the Divine framework, and you’re still kind of curious, you know, reach out to me, pay me and we’ll see if we can’t create something else. In order for you to reset your filters in order for you to go ahead and make the leap from humanity to the vedi Thanks for checking it out, guys.

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