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Christian de la Huerta

Award-winning author Christian de la Huerta is an acclaimed speaker at various settings, including universities, conferences, corporate training, spiritual communities and the TedX stage. Audiences find Christian’s message particularly relevant in these times. Christian also practices as a spiritual coach and a leadership development consultant whose work ranges from individuals and couples in private practice to major corporations and non-profit groups.

Check out his latest book here: Awakening the Soul of Power

And connect with him on his website here: https://www.soulfulpower.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:41
Either spiritual dope I’m on today with Christian de la Huerta we are on here today and Christian is a sought after spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach and leading voice in the breathwork community. He’s traveled the world offering inspiring and transformational retreats combining psychological and spiritual teachings with life lasting and life changing effects. In award winning critically acclaimed author he has spoken at numerous universities and conferences on the TEDx stage. his new book awakening in the solar power was described by multi Grammy Award winner glorious Stefan as a balm for the soul of it for anyone searching for the truth and answers to life difficult questions. First of all, thanks for being on today.

Christian de la Huerta 1:24
Hey, Brandon, thanks so much for having me. I’m really looking forward to this conversation.

Brandon Handley 1:30
Fantastic. So I’d like to start this off with the whole idea that and I think you mentioned it in one of your lines, like we are conduits for the universe, universe’s energy to come through. And the idea is that you and I are going to have this conversation that you and I have, but there’s going to be somebody listening, that’s only going to pick up on like this message being delivered through the universe through you to them today. What is that was that message?

Christian de la Huerta 1:58
Well, before I get into that, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your sense of spiritual irreverence, I very much appreciate it, and it cracked me up some of your comments on your website, you know, I think if we were gonna wrap up the message into to the into one, short description is like, there is a way that we can step into our power into our personal power in a way that is a match for who we are. Because most of us, I think are conflicted about that we have an ambivalent relationship to power, we want it, but we’re afraid of it. And I think at the core, we’re afraid that if we really stepped into all of our power, all of our potential that other people would be threatened by us or be afraid of us. Or, you know, we would end up alone. And we’ve also been conditioned to believe that power is a bad thing, you know, like with quotes, like power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so what good hearted person wants to be corrupted or wants to abuse power, which is what we see out in the world all the time. So add to that mix. And by the way, what they forgot to tell us about that power, corrupts quote is that Lord Acton was speaking specifically about political power, not the personal power that we’re talking about. But when you combine all of that with the fact that we have been conditioned to be afraid of the emotion, somebody along the way, had this bright, brilliant idea that the emotions were weakness, and especially for us as men, we were conditioned, you know, a little boys don’t cry, and you know, like, Man up and, and all these other kind of twisted definitions of what it means to be a man and what it means what it means to be a woman. So when you put all that into a mix, we hate confrontation, we hate conflict. And what happens is we end up giving our power away our innate power that nobody can give to us, nobody can take away, we are the only ones who can give it away. And what’s sad, what is sadness to me is that we give it away for really lame reasons, like we give it away and we settle for less, we place more, we hide our light under a bushel, we say yes, when inside we feel no. And for this, for reasons like an illusion of security, or false sense of acceptance, or morsels of pseudo love. And and so that’s the message you know that there is there is a way that we can step into power that that is a match for who we are and that it doesn’t require for us to push anybody down, to step on them, to abuse them, to take advantage of them to manipulate them to use force or fear that there is a way that we can express our power. That isn’t a natural expression of who we are.

Brandon Handley 4:49
So I think that it’s funny actually copied that Marianne Williamson line out again last night while I was reading your book, you know, the it’s not that we’re afraid of You know how small views we’re afraid of how great our power actually is. And I think that that’s kind of you’re talking to one here, and then that we give it away so easily have like these kind of wrong reasons. What, you know, what was it for you along your journey that awakens your personal solar power that, you know, we’re talking about, you know, your book as well? What was it that that, that awoken that woke up your soul, you know, and gave you kind of pretty notice to it?

Christian de la Huerta 5:34
Well, I think my, my initial wake up point was breathwork, some 30 years ago. And I’d had some experiences with, you know, with mind expanding substances that also kind of, you know, had a phase of experimentation when I was writing written when I was in college. And that began a process of questioning reality, the worldview, I was raised in a very Catholic environment. So that began that combined with a class and existentialism began a process of questioning. I think it was, when I, when I did first did breathwork. It just changed everything. I was on a track to get a PhD in psychology. My dad was a psychiatrist. So I come out of that tradition. When I did breathwork, for the first time I jumped tracks, I never went for the PhD. And I’ve been, I knew after one session that I that I’d never be the same, and I wasn’t my, my life took a different direction I, within six months, I quit my last corporate job.

Brandon Handley 6:44
That’s awesome. I think that breathwork for me, has been very revelatory as well.

Unknown Speaker 6:54
I had my

Brandon Handley 6:56
several instances of brain expansive substances. That’s, I think that’s how you title it. And but the deal is, is that and that’s a real big, the name of the podcast, spiritual hope you can get to that space in a place of this this hit of spirituality by doing like something like breathwork. Right. So what did you do then? I mean, so you’re like, I’m out on the corporate gig. And what did you have done after that? I’m just curious. Yeah.

Christian de la Huerta 7:26
Well, you know, if I ended up doing an ashram experience with a teacher that I met with who, you know, from whom I learned breathwork, originally, so I studied with her for five years. And for the most part, monastics setting, had a few deviations from that, but could really count them on one hand in five years, which, by the way, was a really empowering experience for me to begin to reel in my mice, my sexual energies on the way that I related to two other people with you with that sexual energy. And yeah, that was incredibly difficult time of my life, it was, it was very demanding. Not only the lifestyle, but the, you know, the opportunities for letting go of my preferences in my my desires, and, like, I wouldn’t want to do it again. But I’m really grateful that I did, because I wouldn’t be who I am. If it wasn’t for that experience.

Brandon Handley 8:33
I get it. You know, letting go and spend a lot of space but what would you say though, was like the the most difficult part, right? Because you’re kind of in there, and you’re doing it on your own? you’re wanting this right. What what made that?

Christian de la Huerta 8:49
I guess, very good, very good interview questions. Brandon. You know, if you would have asked me before, I would have thought it would have been the celibacy celibacy thing.

Brandon Handley 9:00
That wasn’t right,

Christian de la Huerta 9:02
wasn’t even close to the, to the hardest thing. In fact, that wasn’t such existential kind of level of survival. Because this teacher was brilliant, and she was a ruthless ego Slayer. So I think what was most difficult was being in in because we were at the same time going through some challenging times out of out on the physical world. And it’s a longer story that we don’t have time to get into here, but like it was to maximize it. At one point, we were homeless. We lived in the car for four for a week, and in San Francisco, and we would take showers and the YMCA in the morning for four bucks. And at the same time that she was going through some profoundly transformational experience, which didn’t make her very functional in this room. Um, so, you know, put all that, you know, the fact that she was my ego was being incredibly threatened that I was in survival level, like so much of my identity, up until this time had been connected to my worldly success. And suddenly here I am, you know, like barely living in a car for a week. And, and feeling so responsible for everything and at the same time, like surrendering and in the teacher in the guru, the guru disciple model, you’re surrendering to the sacred, but through this person of, of the guru that’s right in front of you. Who was at times irrational? And so that’s the part that I was so that I didn’t know that, to me was most difficult. That was because you’re basically surrendering your desires, your preferences, like even your perceptions?

Brandon Handley 10:55
Yeah. It’s a whole psychological play, right? I mean, here you are working with, right? And then you’re, you’re you’re working with this, this guru, and to attain, you know, a certain level, a certain experience, I don’t know. But then they’re a mess. And you’re like, what the hell am I doing? I mean, that’s got to be, that’s where my head would be. And then also, you’ve got your cycle, your psychology background, right. So you’re, you’re like, doubling down, because you know, where the razor cuts?

Christian de la Huerta 11:26
Yeah, and I mean, I’m, with all the respect of not putting her down, like, like, I really value she, I got incredible teachings from her. And the opportunity for for surrender was mine, like that was, I did that nobody could do that for me. And that’s some, that’s the most profound experience that I got from that, in addition to learning trust. at a cellular level, it was like I my relationship with with life became incredibly trusting. Because no matter how bad things got, like, we’re down to just like, the storage unit is in Hawaii and San Francisco and Los Angeles. And like, there was nothing else to pawn and money would show up unexpectedly from from just an unexpected source just at the right time. We never missed a meal. Like, yeah, it was rough. It was very rough. But we never missed a meal. So that I got to learn that at a cellular level. It’s not something that I could read in a book, to know that I’m going to be fine. But I’m going to be taking care of

Brandon Handley 12:28
the idea of Providence. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I love it. I love it. So in your, in your book, you know, covers quite quite quite a bit. And one of the things that you cover in there that I think, is really important, especially in today’s day and age, and the spiritual guy to write as a spirit as a spiritual guy, but like, what, what was a healthy masculine power look like? actually kind of identify what power is like in your what is power? And then what’s the healthy masculine power? Yeah, no,

Christian de la Huerta 13:04
that’s that’s a great question. You’re asking some really good questions, some of which nobody has asked me before. I’ve done dozens and dozens of interviews or podcasts. Nobody has asked me this stuff yet. This one? Yeah. But you’re asking really good ones. So yeah, so in order to reconcile the way that we reconcile this this ambivalent, or, or conflicted relationship we have with power, one of the ways around that is to realize that we’re talking about different kinds, right. So there’s the what there’s a worldly power, or egoic, power, ego power, which we tend to associate, you know, the way the way the world looks at power, we tend to associate with people who have money, who have fame, who are high up in some kind of hierarchy, whether it’s a corporate ladder, or some kind of religious organization, or whatever it is. But the thing about all those kinds of expressions of power is that they’re because they’re outside of us. They’re here today, they’re gone tomorrow. Whereas the other kind of power that I’m pointing to, is internal. It’s, you know, I’m calling it soulful power. It’s spiritual power. I call it what you wish, right? It doesn’t matter what we call it, but it’s the it’s the power that is inherent to each one of us. And again, like no one can give it to us, no one can can take it away. And whereas worldly power is always has an agenda, and it’s very self serving, it’s always trying to get something for itself. The other kind of power, spiritual power, what to me is authentic power. It’s humble. It’s, it’s, it doesn’t need to prove anything to anybody, and it’s about service is about making a difference. So I think about a Gandhi or Gandalf, in their monastic robes and their stupid sandals, as you would say. And then the other sandal feet, you would never know you know, like you would never know how much power they hold until it’s called for and then you know what’s out like brought the British Empire to its knees at the point when it was at its highest, highest point in terms of global reach and global influence without landing a single punch or shooting a gun, like talk about power. And so that’s, that’s what I mean by soulful powers. That’s the kind of power that that from within that it’s, like, the worldly power believes that the it comes from a place that that that it’s a zero sum game, right so that there’s a limited amount you’re having power threatens mine. Whereas, whereas What I’m saying is like, wait a minute, if I’m in my power, if I know who I am, like, why would I be threatened by you having powers like I’m not threatened by that? It’s like, I know, no matter what you or anybody else does, I know that I’ve got it, I can handle it. I can show up and respond appropriately to whatever that situation is. So why would I be threatened by anybody having power, I can celebrate somebody else’s power. And so now power with rather than power over, which has been the traditional, patriarchal, masculine, like toxic masculine way of expressing power, which our relationship to which you know, reflects in our relationship to the planet and our relationship to life, which is basically you fuck it or you kill it?

Brandon Handley 16:22
Right? I mean, that was a game they cut. Right? Right was it was a fucking kill it keep it whatever is true. You know, then that’s, that’s the I think the historic chase right? There kill it. So what is what is the healthy masculine power look like then? Yeah, and real quick question. Are we in your sub question is, are we on pace to like, get there in our lifetime?

Christian de la Huerta 16:51
Yeah, that’s a good question that that I don’t have an answer to I see a lot of changes, though. I see a lot of a lot of men who are just not No, not threatened, you know, a lot. And you know, a lot of straight guys who tell each other, you know, I love you and kiss each other on the cheek, and there’s, they’re not threatened. By that it like it doesn’t mean anything, to once masculinity. So so there’s a book, you know, it’s for everybody. But it has a particular message for women, stemming from my belief that the empowerment of women is like, the single most important thing that needs to happen in the world. It’s not to idealize women is not to put women up on a pedestal is not to give women more shit that they got to clean up and do. It’s because as a planet as a species, we’ve been running very off balance when it comes to power and gender, and sacred masculine and feminine energies. So and I believe that when women are in 50%, of power in this world, because I don’t believe that we need to go back to matriarchy, I don’t think that’s what we need, I think we need balance inside each one of us and in the world, between the masculine and the feminine. And so that when women are 50% of power in the world, we’re gonna have a very different relationship to war and poverty and hunger, and social justice and wealth distribution and how we treat the environment to all of it. So that’s what when I think strategically, like what is the one thing that’s gonna then impact a lot of others. That’s what I come down on. so and so. So that’s one message of the book. But what about men? Because the, the tragic part of it is, is that this system of toxic masculinity, that that that we have been living out of for the last several 1000 years that has this twisted definition of what it means to be a man. It’s like, it doesn’t work for anybody, like, of course, it hasn’t worked for women, and the lack of equity and justice and equality. And the oppression of women is like that is still so prevalent in this world is like, like no longer acceptable or sustainable. And men are also paying a price for that. So let’s look at a couple of numbers. Like if you look at longevity in the US, women outlive men by five years, if you look at the global numbers, they outlive men by seven years, we get suicide numbers in this country women, I mean, men commit suicide four times as frequently as women. 70% of the suicides in this country are committed by middle aged white men, which, interestingly, are the ones who still hold the majority of the power in this world. So what’s up with that, you know, what is not working? And I think that part of what is not working, is that it’s this twisted definition of what it means to be a man and so we walk around because it’s like we were saying earlier, somebody decided that the emotions were weakness and little boys don’t cry. So we walk around, so threatened about not being masculine that we turn into these unfeeling, uncaring robots and there’s a price to pay for that. Like what used to be spiritual teaching that everything is energy. Now we know from quantum physics that it’s true, energy cannot be destroyed. So what does that mean that that the body is energy even though it feels solid, the emotions are energy, that’s all they are, they’re not good, they’re not bad. They’re not strength, they’re not weakness, they’re just energies coursing through our bodies. And so whenever we suppress those emotions, they don’t go away. Right, they stay in the tissues of our bodies, and only a couple things can happen. If so, we suppress, we suppress, we suppress. And then the next unfortunate being just says something towards the wrong way, um, volcanic eruption, right, all that repressed anger, like just comes out in appropriately and we cause harm to our relationships or suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress, that energy has to come out one way or the other. So it starts seeping out and showing up in physical symptoms, heart attacks, cancer officers. So so we’ve got, we’ve got to get this right, we’ve got to figure this out, and get right with our emotions. And yes, as far as I’m concerned, to be able to know what we’re feeling, and be able to define it, and be able to communicate it responsibly owning that, it’s our emotions, not dumping them on each other, like we tend to do, like holding it’s our emotions, and learning how to communicate them courageously, because it’s always gonna take courage and compassionately without pointing the finger and without blaming, and without, you know, like, only our experience, and our heart of it is to me, and, and gracefully in a way that the other person can actually hear them. All that is like nothing less than mastery. It’s the opposite of weakness.

Brandon Handley 21:41
Right? That fairpoint? Absolutely, I’d never, I think I’ve never made it to the other end of the bridge there. It’s into making that mastery. But you know, I am very familiar with not being familiar with my own emotions, right? And going and doing the research mean, like, oh, wow, I really don’t know what these are. What are some tools that you’d like to use to help males get in touch then with, you know, their emotions? And to point to how do you express them gracefully, because my history has been, oh, I found these emotions, but like, there is no grace to how I express that.

Christian de la Huerta 22:22
Right? That’s a great question. I’ll tell you what I did. And because I was clueless myself, and here’s the thing, my dad, a psychiatrist, and a good one, because I’ve heard from people after, you know, after he passed, so I used to go to him. And he really helped me. So I know it was a good psychiatrist, but in relationship to his own emotions, the guy was clueless, clueless. And so I grew up clueless, I couldn’t tell you what I was feeling because I had no idea what I was feeling. So when I started doing this kind of work, like, you know, that becoming self aware, and I realized that this was an area that I needed to do. So this is before cellphones, you know, I had a timer from Radio Shack, and I would set it on the hour, and I had I printed I found a list of emotions, and educated myself about what they meant. So I created this grid, you know, like, every day of the week, and by the hour, and the emotions on the other side. And so I at the hour go off, and I go, am I feeling this? Am I feeling that? Am I feeling this? Maybe that could be? And little by little, I did that for several weeks until I started becoming more emotionally intelligent. And in terms of how to communicate them. It’s another big question. But the main thing is to realize that it’s our emotions, like nobody out there can make us feel anything. Unless there’s some room in there that’s being hurt, right? So it’s our emotions like, like say, let’s just a quick example so that you and I both have lunch with our friend Joe, every week, like and he Joe inevitably shows up late 20 minutes. There I am on on Monday, just like I knew it. He’s so selfish. So so irresponsible, so only cares about his own schedule, blah, blah, blah, and all the other stories that we make up about stuff like this. Whereas you you know, it’s like great, Joe’s late. I have 20 minutes. Let me go online. Let me return a phone call. Let me just do what there’s so many options, so many possible responses to somebody showing up late. Why does it get me so pissed off? Right, so, so it’s so that’s what I mean by owning that it’s our emotions, and it doesn’t make Joe’s lateness or anything goes right. But it’s not about that. It’s not excusing anybody’s behavior. Like that’s not the point of the conversation. If we want to be free. We start from that place that it’s our emotions. And and it’s, that’s what his book is, is you know, it’s part of a series on what it means to live heroically because it’s work like to be able to, to be willing to go inside and to feel the stuff that sometimes we spent a lifetime running away from feeling and to to look at patterns to understand And why we do the things we do, why we sometimes get to sabotage ourselves and sabotage our relationships. Sometimes from the get go by attracting people who are not a match people who are not available, like it’s work to figure all this stuff out. But it’s incredibly rewarding and liberating, because we can bring choice back into the equation. So to go back to your question, how to so owning, how do we how do we communicate and communicate emotions responsibly owning other hours, and then using, you know, like basic communication stuff like using I statements? So rather than saying you did this, or you always do that, like the other ego that doesn’t even know that it’s an ego yet that doesn’t understand what the ego construct is? And why would that makes us do the things we do. And that gets us so defensive, and takes everything personally, and feel so victimized by others and by life. So it doesn’t even know what it is, the only thing you can do is defend, right? And especially when we use words like you always do this, or you never do that. It’s like it. Like they might be looking you in the eye, but they’re not even they’re not even there. They’re going back in their mind, they’re going back in time back in time back in time to that one time in 2009. Well, they didn’t do that. And so then they get to be right and say, well, that’s not always true. I don’t always do that. So so using I statements, and again, here’s a really good formula when you do this, I feel my so when when when you show up late, I feel disrespected. I feel dishonored. And and and i don’t i don’t like this feeling. I love our relationship, our love our friendship. And can we do this a different way? Yeah, that’s what I like to have a conversation with Joe about.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Yeah, Joe, you gotta stop showing up late man. Worrying about it. But for truly, for God’s sake, come on to the idea to is that a good This gives that gives me an opportunity, if you’re owning your emotions, to go in and just look at that. Right? What is triggering me to get pissed off of Joe? Right? Why? Why am I starting with Joe? Just because he’s late. Right? I got a whole bunch of other things like we spend in this energy on and posted Joe, right. I’ll never, I’m never gonna get this 20 minutes back. And while I want to blame Joe, it’s not just fault. And then the other piece that you’re talking about? The I know, when you do this, I feel that.

Unknown Speaker 27:31
You know,

Brandon Handley 27:34
I recently read like a validation book, right? Because I’m not a great validator. Christian, just just so we all know, but I’ll be getting better. Your feelings are always valid, right? So you can never that’s never a false statement. That’s really saying so and that’s and that’s what allows that person to not be defensive when you make those. I feel safe. That’s right. Okay. All right. Thanks for sharing that. That’s definitely definitely Yeah,

Christian de la Huerta 28:02
it’s, it’s worthwhile work is if we do the work, if we take, you know, whatever time it takes to figure it out, it’s like, we, when we zoom out, zoom out a little bit. It’s like, wait a minute, it’s not just when Joe is late, that I get pissed off is when anybody shows up late. So what is that? Right? It’s not so it’s not really about Joe. And if I zoom out a little further, it’s not even just about being late. It’s when somebody you know, cuts me off in conversation or cuts me off in traffic, it’s it kind of evokes the same kind of feeling that same kind of frustration or anger is what is that? So if we are willing to do that work and go back in time back in time, and to begin to see when How did this pattern start, which most of the time is gonna go back to something from childhood probably in relationship to it with mommy or daddy. And, and what’s at the core of it is like, we don’t feel valued, right, like, the core underneath the anger. It’s like, we don’t feel respected. We don’t feel valued. We don’t feel like he’s like he’s valuing his time more than he’s valuing mine. And that’s the unhealed wound that’s getting triggered in this present situation, but the one is much older than my lunches with Joe.

Brandon Handley 29:12
Yeah. It’s like, peeling off a scab. That never quite healed. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, disgusting. Alright, so Kristen, got a couple questions for you real quick here. I kind of liken this show to like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Like, I understand Come on, and it’s the spiritual speed dating. And like, you know, what’s, what’s Christian got for me? So I’m gonna say, hey, Bachelor number one out of a couple different questions. If that’s your number one, what is your one wish for the world?

Christian de la Huerta 29:53
You know, and and i’m not i’m not a good one for speed dating. If we really got who we are, which which is connected to understanding that, that we’re not the ego. And really quickly, if we put up, here’s a great way of understanding that you go, if you put a baseball in the center of a stadium, that’s the ego, who we are is actually the fricking stadium. And we allow this tiny, tiny, tiny part of who we are to think that it is all of who we are. And to make really important, critical, consequential choices from its very small, limited and always fear based perspective. So if we got who we really are, that would shift everything, it would shift the relationship to ourselves, it would shift our relationship to each other, it would shift our relationship to the planet.

Brandon Handley 30:43
I love that visual too. And, you know, I guess that brings up the question, too, is like, we make that content, how do we make that conscious shift to, you know, connect to our power? How do we meet that constant shift to realize that we don’t have anything left to be afraid of, unless we’re hanging out in the desert reliance?

Christian de la Huerta 31:03
That’s right. And, you know, that’s like that’s by this book. Seriously, the book will walk you by the hand, and it’ll it’ll, it’ll help you understand the egos like, incomplete humility, I don’t know. Like, to me, this is the simplest way that that I’ve seen of explaining what the ego is. So that we can really get it so that we can get what it what the self made prison of the ego is, so that we can let ourselves out because nobody else is gonna let us out of our self made prisons, they can’t, only we can do that. And only we can step into our own power. Nobody can do that for us. But we’ve got it takes work. But we’ve got to get clear about why we do the things we do and in which situations, do we give our power away? Or, you know, is it does it tend to be with in romantic, intimate sexual relationships? Or do we tend to give our power away with authority figures, bosses, coaches, nose, religious leaders, that kind of thing, parental figures. And so once we are willing to do the work and look at the patterns, then we can, like cut it out, and stop giving our power away and, and stepping into our full potential as human beings? Because Ain’t nobody else gonna do it? If we don’t? Right,

Brandon Handley 32:16
right? I think that one of the couple of things I enjoyed about your book, too, since you brought up liking these questions, you’ve got these questions just like this to help you to identify the patterns. At the end of each chapter, you give out the layout. You say, all right, well, you know, here’s the information. But here’s how you can apply it right? Go ahead here, use some of these questions, detect the patterns. And then you know, to point, you get to know where is it you are giving your power away? And stop. Right? And again, that becomes a source. Right? Yeah. And, and at least at that point in time, you recognize that you’re, you know, in this position of your own power, and you get to at least determined to do it consciously. Right, exactly. In the end, that’s what freedom is.

Christian de la Huerta 33:07
Yeah, that’s it, you just nailed it. Because you know, there were times where it may not be in our highest highest interest. Like, we may not be our in our highest interest to like really step into our power in relationship to our boss, until we have something else lined up. Or if we’re being you know, somebody is holding a gun or a knife up in a dark alley. It may not be the that may not be the best time to say oh, well, this really doesn’t work for me. Right? You just hand over the frickin wallet and walk away with your life. So yeah, of course, of course. We’re gonna be smart about this. So I think you’re right. I think it’s about choice, bringing choice back into the equation.

Brandon Handley 33:44
Kristen, thanks so much for thanks for finding me. And, you know, offering to come on the show. I’ve enjoyed the conversation. I’ve enjoyed the book that I’ve read, you know, the bulk of it so far.

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Take a listen to our conversation to learn what it means to be love in motion as Shannah and I cover a variety of topics such as energy, relationships and becoming superhuman.

Brandon Handley 0:00

4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope and welcome back to another interview session with. I’m here today with channel wave. She is a super humanity coach. at Sacred reality his sacred reality is an organization that is making the mystical, practical. And what they’re doing there is they’re giving, helping you to create a paradigm of natural giving from an inner sense of wholeness, real intimacy, peace and freedom to be off in authentic and relationships, ease of self expression and communication, confidence and gentleness, sensitivity to love, within an inner guidance system for appropriate harmless action, and joyful alignment between inner purpose and one’s work within the community. And Shana, her coaching focus is on practical skills of mine that enable you to connect with your own inner spiritual resources by which you can naturally blossom in a wholesome sense of self worth, peace, joy, and freedom to be yourself and be in love with your life. This work heals your relationship with the self, which is the basis for all healing, and all other relationships. The foundation of the self awareness practice is summed up by coming to experientially understand all aspects of the following morning meditation, which I’m not going to read about that. How are you today?

Shannah White 1:35

I just have to make one correction. It’s Shauna,

Brandon Handley 1:38

Shauna, you know, it’s so funny. It’s so funny. I totally ignored intuition. When I was like, I asked her This is Shana or Shan Shan. Hundred percent, not not even not even a lie. Like I was like, let’s just kick it off. So you got a shout out. Thank you so much for for being here today. And I love I love I love the I love the piece about super humanity. Let’s Um, so I’d like to start this off with the idea that source speaks to us, right? divine energy, we are conduits for the universe. And the idea is that you are speaking to somebody who is listening today. This message only flew for them through universal source. What does that message?

Shannah White 2:28

Oh, what is that message today was a message we have right

Brandon Handley 2:31

now what’s called source?

Shannah White 2:33

Aha, thank you.

Shannah White 2:36

Gosh, well, I suppose messages that you are loved in motion. And yet, I understand that you may not know how to experience that in yourself. But it’s simpler than you think. It’s not as far away or as complicated as we make things with the complexity of our thought process and the way we tie our emotions into our thought process.

Shannah White 3:07

It’s really

Shannah White 3:10

giving yourself permission to relax completely out of thinking. And there can be fear involved in doing that. But if you can open up a space where you can relax, and let your thoughts also relax. And then move your feelings and sport. Actually, you know, there’s a transition from thinking to feeling because we even think in order to experience ourselves, we experience ourselves through imaging. So it’s really like, the step is to turn off the imaging. Maybe you notice how you feel yourself where your sense of self is, like, I’m familiar with feeling my sense of self behind my eyes, if I’m in my head if I’m thinking and then shifting out of that place, turning off the visual processing, and moving that awareness and feeling into the body. Like for me below the jaw, maybe I start with back my head, let him move down into my being and just become curious what there is to feel in this space. And this is already the beginning of peace possibly mean really depends on who. Well, people can have challenges you might have emotional energy builds up in your fields. So that might be the first thing that you notice that you feel when you get yourself to To just feel. But as we go deeper in this experience of just feeling without thinking, and breathing, allowing the breath to be the navigation device for our feeling,

Shannah White 5:18

which means for instance,

Shannah White 5:22

I can breathe right now and feel like

Shannah White 5:27

everything in letting the breath, open up my middle back and feeling what my middle back feels like. But I’m not just feeling the physical quality of my middle back, I’m also feeling the kind of emotional or energetic quality in that space in my being. So and then just being with what I feel, noticing it being curious, and being so something magical happens just from us showing up to witness what we feel. And emotion can clear just from being with that process. So that’s the beginning and stop, where I’m ultimately looking to end up. There’s no end really, but where I’m looking to go is deeper inside the center of my chest with this feeling quality. So after I feel a sense of ease in the hole of my body, then I will pull myself deeper inside or bring my focus, look inside with my feeling, not with my visual, but look inside with my feeling into the center and my chest. Now just keep going deeper and deeper and deeper into that center. So it’s, it’s kind of deeper, like the center is maybe four inches in or whatever. But I’ll go deeper than those four inches into that very center. And I just keep going deeper until this warm energy ignites of its own accord.

Brandon Handley 7:08

So this is kind of a description of love and motion, right, you are loving motion. And that’s kind of the journey to and through it. And some of the experiences that you’ll feel throughout that process.

Shannah White 7:18

This is the description of how to connect with love energy. The to become loving motion is, you know, every time we move, okay to become loving motion is to listen to the energy of love, to find our movement to inspire our movement. In every moment, we’re listening to a voice inside us, that is telling us what to do. And that’s either the voice of our history, the way we’ve learned to process it through our personal reality, which is unfamiliar calling that the ego. Or we’re listening to the voice of spirit, the voice of the heart, this love energy that comes from the center of our core, but we have to be available to hear it. When we’re all busy in our head. and pulling from our history and getting emotionally involved in the way we’re thinking about things. Our attention is all in the outer sphere of our being and on the material plane. Our attention is like a spotlight. So if you’ve ever noticed that, perhaps you’ve gotten a bruise and you don’t know where you got it from.

Shannah White 8:39

All the time, all the time.

Shannah White 8:42

Well, for me, that’s proof that my attention is like a spotlight and my attention was so exclusive on something else that I didn’t even notice that I hurt myself that is on there.

Brandon Handley 8:54

That’s all like that. I like that. Yeah, so God.

Shannah White 8:57

Yeah. So when we’re our attention is all focused up in here. We’re looking away from and not listening from, we’re looking away from our feeling sense. And yet our feeling says comes back around and becomes full of our emotional reactions to what we’re thinking. So there’s another layer of distraction. So this way, we have this kind of unplug the thinking and let the feeling sense clear. It’s like all the ripples on the water just settle out in the water becomes still and then in the stillness. Now we can start to hear like heart music

Shannah White 9:36

in the center.

Shannah White 9:39

So it’s a

Shannah White 9:43

it’s a listening skill, inner listening skill. But then when we can listen and actually start to feel that love energy. Then we have somebody to work with for how do I move in This moment as when when we go to do something, the first thing is going to happen is we’re going to go back up here because we have a whole library of ideas that we chest of how to handle different situations. So we reach for typically, we reach for the easiest thing that we know how to do, right? So it takes patience and practice, but we can learn, we can rewrite our choices about what we trust, for how to move. So here’s a really great way to think about it actually. It’s whether we reach for the known, or for the unknown. Because the unknown is basically like we reach for something from memory could be a belief, well, I don’t know what else it would be actually, because we started because we believe that we thought, Hey, this is good, I’ll use this again, right. But the place, the alternative to that is a place where we are hanging out in the inner and I call the inner unknown, where we are choosing not to go for what we know from before. And instead, we’re allowing ourselves to say, Hi, this is a completely new moment. And I do not know, based on history, I do not know, let me feel what do I feel right now.

Shannah White 11:22

Jeff becomes our

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vehicle for discernment.

Shannah White 11:30

So but then also, when we practice feeling that love energy in our center, and then we choose to move to our day, with the patience to wait in the unknown before we move. And to wonder what our What are feeling sense has to tell us about this moment, then we start to find that we can move in alignment with love energy.

Brandon Handley 11:57

I like the idea of feeling sense. All right, what does that what does that mean? Right? And what is what is feeling sense? Because, you know, I get the feeling and I sent something, right? Is this an internal external feeling? You know, just to expand a little bit on what you mean by feeling sense?

Shannah White 12:17

Sure. Okay. So the feeling sense is our intuitive sense, it’s our ability to read energy.

Shannah White 12:28

And

Shannah White 12:30

our feeling sense, is also where our emotions register. I think of emotions as the energetic feedback from our thoughts. So when so it’s like an instrument, this feeling senses like an instrument. And I feel it from my jaw, to my belly button, in a sphere. So I also also actually feel like I feel sometimes I feel like I feel energy kind of behind and below my arms. So it’s not limited to the body. I do feel like in order to use my feeling sense, I have to bring my attention inward. If I look outward, thinking, I’m going to feel something out there. I lose my feeling sensitivity. And the energetic sense that, you know, emotion can just come and find you.

Shannah White 13:29

Where you are. Right?

Brandon Handley 13:32

Well, you know, I’m a little caught up in the idea of the Taurus right now. Like there’s a toroidal field. Right? And, and so, you know, if you’re looking anywhere outside of yourself, you’re kind of fumbling and signals may be weaker, whereas when they come into your core, that’s your receiver. Right? So I mean, to me, like, you know, that’s, that’s where the, that’s where the signals being sent, it’s a matter of tuning yourself to, to signal, right, and especially if you’re not familiar with this space, if you’ve never been taught how to tune in the first couple times, you start to tune in, it’s gonna be real weak, right? I mean, just like, again, is eerie and funny as it was at the beginning of our conversation, I had an inner sense that I should ask you, how should I pronounce your name? Right? And I totally ignored it. But now I’m like, right. And so it’s when we it’s, it’s these small recognitions of catching those moments and jotting them down and remembering that that just happened, that you begin to develop that ability to tune in more and more often, and that’s going to come to the inside though. Does that sound fair?

Shannah White 14:52

Yes. But I think so part of what’s going on in what you’re talking about when you say writing it down. You You’re taking the time to process what happened, which allows you to, to actually incrementally increase your trust in that. And then you’re like, Oh, I can trust that. So then next time, you might be more interested in listening. And the other thing is that there’s a Would you agree that there’s an element of do blow right past, like do rush to be rush past the intuitive hits? versus exercise in patience in the unknown? And say, Wait, I just felt something that would you say, that’s part of the,

Brandon Handley 15:41

you know, I am, I am so bad at waiting on anything. So, patience, as I was growing up, I was always taught patience is a virtue. I given to the idea of of letting things unfold. Right. I love the Buddhist, you know, one of the sayings is the flower blossom thing, right? If you’re trying to squeeze the bud of a flower to accelerate it blooming, that doesn’t, that doesn’t do it, right. So you can’t squeeze that you got to let it unfold on its own. So I agree with you that it’s just a matter of stop doing right start being

Shannah White 16:20

and allowing the sign and waiting like that, right, I will either move slow enough that I can process it and say, wait a minute, I just heard something, right? Or I won’t. And I’ll be like, Nope, sorry, I’m reaching for the nearest file and made a structure for this one.

Brandon Handley 16:41

Right, right. No. And I think that that comes that comes with time, and I love I love the idea of,

Unknown Speaker 16:49

we don’t have to

Brandon Handley 16:49

slow down, we need to calm down, right? And just let the things come to us again, instead of trying to accelerate anything. We were actors in this whole thing, right? We are, you know, our lines are given to us or coming to us and and we’re kind of acting them out. And we’re following our intuition. But if we can slow down a little bit, we can enjoy it a little bit more,

Unknown Speaker 17:17

right?

Brandon Handley 17:18

And we can allow for it to blossom. And I don’t even like that I don’t like evolve anymore. I don’t like leveling up anymore. Words like that. To me. That’s just Where are you? Right? Where are you not above or higher than anybody else? You’re just you are becoming more aware of what already is? So that’s right. I mean, there’s everything, you know, everything already exists. It’s just what’s our awareness of it.

Shannah White 17:47

That’s true. That’s true. What do you mean by work? factors? Enter? Right?

Brandon Handley 17:54

Yeah, I don’t know. I’m just, you know, just kind of throw stuff out there. Again, like, so, you know, when we started this things off, right? Like, what’s coming through us isn’t sometimes even necessarily for us. Right? The acts that we do and given sometimes we’re like, Why don’t just do that. And I’ll use an example. Like, I wrote something out last week and shared it and like, I didn’t, didn’t honestly put much effort into it social media posting, like, Oh, my God, I got to get a post out today, because I’m on a schedule, my train is going to be late, that kind of thing. Um, so anyway, I put a post out there. And yeah, I put some thought into it. But again, just nothing crazy. And somebody reached out to me, a friend of my friend of my wife’s, she goes, she goes, can I use the words that you wrote there? I was looking for something to you know, say it. My mother’s wake about my mother. And this was, this was it and this is like a day or two before and she’d been struggling find these these words. I was like, by all means, right. I was like, obviously, that wasn’t for me.

Unknown Speaker 18:59

Right.

Brandon Handley 19:00

And it’s like, the only you know, one or two people that saw or liked the posts. And, you know, that’s what that was for. So we’re kind of actors where we are receivers. And it’s kind of like, um, we can act on our intuition or we can ignore it. Right. And I find that when we act on it, we tend to be doing somebody else outside of ourself. Some good

Shannah White 19:28

right? Right. I was talking about this with someone today that I feel like we could think about I don’t mind the word God, but could be universe could be love of capital L could be whatever. Sure. Um, but

Shannah White 19:44

I was thinking about that.

Shannah White 19:48

Loving motion is actually God’s thoughts coming to be expressed sure that it’s not just us that we’re, you know, are you I think from my perspective, so that looks like one person. We’re all in this ocean of thoughts moving. And we can either like stick your head out of the ocean and be like, I’m gonna think my thoughts, my little thoughts, you

Unknown Speaker 20:10

know, be the wave, right?

Shannah White 20:12

Go library, right? Or I could just ride slow flow in this ocean and be part of a dance that includes everyone who’s willing to relax, and also feel the flow and flow in the flow. Yeah. And then things like that happen. Which is beautiful. That’s beautiful.

Brandon Handley 20:34

Yeah, when it open, when it opens up, it’s great, right? And that’s just the, the constant awareness, developing an awareness, being open to it. And all of that fun jazz, I want to talk about you and your super humanity coaching, let’s talk about, let’s talk about what it means to be a super humanity, coach, give me a one to know all about it.

Shannah White 21:01

Okay, so first of all, what we were just talking about actually does touch a little bit on what I’m indicating, by the word, super humanity. where, you know, it’s natural for the human being to be an extension of love, or to be loved in motion. But we are not taught how to use our minds to enable this way that we’re indoctrinated in, in a when we’re young, I think from our head, and to distressed, shuts down our capacity to, to experience the energy of love in our center. And we’re also taught that all the following ways you become an expert is by consuming information outside yourself, and then get a badge that says, Look, I consumed all this information outside of myself, I am now authorized to regurgitate it to you and you have to listen because now I’m an expert.

Brandon Handley 21:58

Right? I think and we were talking about this before, right? How annoying is it? Like you have to you have to run around you have to go pick up a certificate for from somebody or somebody be like, Listen, I can do this because I I consumed all this stuff guy Kiko.

Shannah White 22:10

Right, right, where there’s this whole other level of authority and knowledge that comes from within, you can’t get by consuming from without. So this is where this is where super humanity comes in. Because it’s our heart center is a portal to connect with the divine. And that is beyond the definition of human that has been created by the mundane materialistic focused world, the the outside in focus world. So super humanity calls to, for calls out this experience of being human that is beyond what the world has defined as human and humanity. Where it’s about letting go of your beliefs, getting out of the belief, emotion, dynamic of personal reality. And actually, walking in service to love energy, it really feels like walking in service, because it’s not about what I want from a little I place. It’s about feeling letting this energy come in and, and move you but what’s really wild, okay, is that before experiencing this, it feels like, Oh, no, I’m going to give up my self, I’m going to give up my will. I’m going to be I’m going to sacrifice myself to be in service. But when you actually experience it, it doesn’t feel like that. It feels like oh my god, I feel so aligned, and peaceful and relaxed in myself. And I feel fullness from my wants instead of wanting in a way that I feel empty and needy. And these wants become like, Oh, this is what I’m creating. This is what I’m becoming.

Brandon Handley 24:13

So I love I love that. Right. So I mean, a big key of this is you’re working to teach other people how to create. Yes, yeah. Look, I used to listen to a YouTube channel all the time called you are creators. Right? You are creators. I mean, what else are you right? If we’re here and live, let’s use the Bible since everybody else using it. You know, you are made in His image. And you know, what does he do? He creates,

Unknown Speaker 24:42

right, right.

Brandon Handley 24:44

So what do you do? And you know, we’ve been taught to consume, right? Yes. But then if we look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, right, the top the pinnacle of that is to self Express right to self reliance, self reliance, which is the suffix Which is to create something that will, you know, expression is that what, what’s within you? Right? So and let that out and create something, bring it to reality. And that’s self realization is to bring yourself to the to reality. And how do you do that yourself is inside of you, right?

Shannah White 25:23

Yes. Right? Well, so there can be self confusion because we identify with whatever we experience. Mm hmm. So, and that’s where it gets tricky, because people can feel like they’re expressing themselves when they’re throwing a temper tantrum. temper temper tantrum because they didn’t get what they want.

Brandon Handley 25:42

Sure, sure. There’s definitely so there’s self expression. And then there’s, there’s there’s a emotional outburst?

Shannah White 25:51

Yes. Right. So it’s the question of what is the self? And who? Who do I think I am in this moment? Am I feeling identified with a sense of perception that’s based on my history, and my emotional definitions of comfort? Or have I surrendered that sense of self, and I’m grounded in feeling that love energy and the clarity that comes from that love energy, which could be called truth. And that, and then I’m feeling like, these things that are coming through me through my core, instead of from my head? Through my core, are myself. Right,

Brandon Handley 26:35

your energetic self? Is that you know, the term does that, what would you would say?

Shannah White 26:41

Yes, it’s definitely energetic.

Brandon Handley 26:43

Versus versus the egoic. Self, right? Like, I don’t, I’m not really good with, I’m discerning between, like, you know, you know, because to me, the the mind is, I guess, the ego itself, right? That’s the piece. It’s like, latching on to everything and things that, you know, again, that, that it’s a part that it’s what’s doing all the things, right. But the mind is a tool, right? And anything that you can observe is outside of you. And if you can observe the mind, then, right? I mean,

Shannah White 27:16

right, that’s true, you can observe the mind you are not the mind.

Brandon Handley 27:20

But yeah,

Shannah White 27:21

I do consider the mind to be the entire chakra system, okay. And so I think of the ego as a mode of using the mind number one, it’s a mode, okay. And number two, it’s also the library of files that we stored, while using the mind in that mode. Okay, so in that mode, we’re not feeling love. So we’re storing beliefs about about a, an experience of self and the world that doesn’t have love in it. And this is why it becomes scary, to let those ideas go and becomes scary to do something else. Because we think, Oh, this is a scary world. This is a loveless world is a scary world. And we store these beliefs, because these beliefs are part of our survival strategy in this loveless world. So if someone comes along and says, You don’t need to keep those beliefs anymore, yeah, kind of like, I’m not sure I believe you

Brandon Handley 28:27

will take away my things, right? Don’t take away my stuff, I worked really hard to get all this crap to I like to carry around. And you know, it’s very important to me that, you know, when I go down this alley, I’m scared and terrified. Right?

Shannah White 28:42

So, so yeah, it takes a while. We’ve also learned in that state of mind to trust ourselves are, in other words, trust our ego self. Which is a feeling like I trust myself, and I just trust everything else. But when we’re looking to switch modes of mind, so that we’re not functioning from memory and imagination, and pulling from ego files, and instead, we’re hanging out in the unknown, not going for me to files, and then feeling and then trusting the voice of love, to give us discernment. That voice of love is we have a relationship, we are never the voice of love, we are in relationship with the voice of love. So and it changes the quality of our sense of self. But there is a requirement of trust in order to be in that relationship. When we’re in the ego mode, we are not required to trust. So when we’re used to not trusting, transitioning to Okay, I’m not going to pick up any of my stuff that I’ve accumulated for survival, and instead I’m going to trust this other voice. That’s not me. It’s bigger than me. Not mean,

Shannah White 30:02

that’s that takes courage to do that.

Brandon Handley 30:06

use that word courage to? Because I’ve been reading force versus power. Are you familiar with that book? power? So that topic. So have you ever seen the, the the map of consciousness map? right you’re seeing that now. Okay so David deep dives Dr. David Hawkins I think I’m saying the guy’s name right. And and it talks about the the map of consciousness and basically the different levels from like, you know, feeling like you know, total crap and worthlessness, right, and how it registers it, like, you know, sub 200. And all the things that are under like, 200 consciousness map goes up to 1000, all the things that are under 200 are the things that kind of eat away, chew and tear away at you, right?

Unknown Speaker 30:55

But 200

Brandon Handley 30:58

is the tipping point towards, you know, getting you into a more involved and more integrated sense of being in love and life and all that other stuff. But the tipping point is courage. Right? So 200 is courage and courage. lets you step into your greatness, right? Your sweat your super humanity self. Right? So, okay, that’s why I love the word courage. So thank you please go on. Will Tell me tell me what, you know, if I, if I’m doing a super humanity coaching session, what’s that look like?

Shannah White 31:37

Okay, well. So, in my mind, there are two categories of what people need. On the one hand, they need education. And on the other hand, they need

Shannah White 31:51

company on their journey.

Shannah White 31:54

So I do work with people. In both capacities. I work with some people just in one on one sessions, that are focused on timeline traveling with them with whatever their questions are. And I’m helping them to understand their self experience, within the model of self, that we are a vessel to express love. And that when we are not connected with that, we suffer from many stresses in the mind, and many illusions of how we understand things, or is this relationship trying to have a romantic partnership, when you don’t feel your heart? You You were designed to be in partnership with love. So we try to be in partnership with love with that person. And we try to see love out there. And then what happens is because we are in our head, and we’re thinking and we’re feeling around our thinking, and we like this person, that’s what we’re thinking. And we’re feeling them that we’re not actually feeling our own movement. So our source of joy is not internal. It’s not balanced, it’s out there. Now we’re leaving on this person. And leaning on this person accidentally produces control dynamics, control dynamics, now you have a friction of will, between two people. Either this person wants to be in the box that you’re making for them, or they don’t at some point, they’re probably not going to want to be exactly in the box the way they imagined it. And, but when they don’t want to be because this is totally tied to your sense of self worth, and your idea of love and all that kind of thing. Now, you can’t just have a conversation about Hey, that boxes the wrong shape. It’s, it’s, oh, Ouch, that hurts. You don’t love me. So there’s emotional layers, there’s will friction and it all comes back to the fact that this person is not actually feeling their heart. So their sense of their definition of love is skewed. And

Shannah White 34:13

so then, how do we correct that?

Shannah White 34:18

As a super humanity coach, I will give people exercises also to help them make transitions in their self awareness, to access that love energy inside. And a person can understand the difference. But it doesn’t do it to just understand that you actually have to feel that love energy and then suddenly you come back into balance. Suddenly your perception of what’s going on with you and your partner changes. Suddenly, the you know, the misunderstanding that was huge, becomes just one tiny little question that you might want to ask them and otherwise it’s no big deal. Right. So

Brandon Handley 35:03

if what you know, what are one or two of your favorite tools in this space that you like to use? If you don’t mind?

Shannah White 35:11

tools as an exercise? Yo, so

Brandon Handley 35:13

yeah, exercise What? So I would like to know, what’s an exercise that I could do? Well,

Shannah White 35:22

the, the first exercise that I would suggest working with that I always suggest working with actually is relaxing into a feeling place. So shifting out of thinking and into feeling. And I can do this with you right now, if you want to what I do with people is they investigate where they’re at, with how they can express themselves in those terms. And then I will make tailored suggestions for them. So let’s go. Okay, so how? What does your energy feel like to you and a sense of give a sense of where you were sitting? If you use your body as in that? Do you have a sense of where you’re sitting in your body?

Shannah White 36:10

Yes. Where is it?

Brandon Handley 36:14

Like, right below my belly button?

Shannah White 36:20

Okay, so do you have a feeling like you’re looking out at the world from inside?

Unknown Speaker 36:27

Yes.

Shannah White 36:29

And where are you looking at the world from?

Brandon Handley 36:32

My shoulders?

Shannah White 36:33

That’s interesting.

Shannah White 36:36

Okay, so um,

Shannah White 36:40

do you feel like that feeling of looking at the world?

Shannah White 36:47

Is

Shannah White 36:51

instead of feeling or is it a feeling quality?

Brandon Handley 36:58

Study feeling or a feeling quality is a

Shannah White 37:01

kind of instead of feeling like, looking instead of feeling? Or does it feel like it has a feeling?

Brandon Handley 37:09

Gotcha. Is it got like? I don’t think that. I don’t know, I’d say less of a feeling quality.

Shannah White 37:22

Okay, so can you then turn off the looking quality? And kind of bring our attention behind that, that behind it into the inner space of your body? And just notice, in First of all, can you turn off the looking quality and shift to Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:48

absolutely. I mean, yeah, I’m doing it right now as we’re talking.

Shannah White 37:51

Okay. Great. So then.

Shannah White 37:54

So then, what do you notice? was just with curiosity? I don’t know if it matters if you if you tell me.

Brandon Handley 38:02

Yeah, I mean, so I think something I notice is just immediately, more, more centered feeling right? Less scattered, more calmness and to get togetherness, right. So feeling versus this kind of like, um, wolf feel pulled out right now. It’s just kind of

Unknown Speaker 38:30

centered.

Shannah White 38:31

Right. So, um,

Shannah White 38:38

is that exactly easy to maintain?

Brandon Handley 38:45

I don’t know. Because this is really the first time I’ve experienced it. Right. So so as you know, and this is part of, I think, the whole journey, right? Like and coming to somebody like you say, and we’ve talked about the awarenesses this is something I’d never been, has been never been brought to my attention. Mm hmm. Right. And you and it’s really hard to put your finger on something, if you’re not aware of it. Yes. So I’m feeling it. Right. And I think that there’s like some pulsating, like, urge to be like, uh, but my energy’s always all over here versus here. Right. So now I’m just paying attention to it. So I don’t know. Nice.

Shannah White 39:29

So probably what I would do is I would say, Okay, we’ll play with that for a few days. And meanwhile, we would be talking about any thing, any of your experiences you have questions about.

Shannah White 39:44

And then

Shannah White 39:47

I, so I can either just see somebody in a session, or here’s somebody a session, we do it on the phone, or I do also work with people in a different format where there’s where you have private sessions like that. On the phone or in person, and then text availability, between sessions, and then also supportive educational materials that are tailored for what somebody is working on. So and if we were working in that format, then I’d be like, okay, play with that for a few days. And, you know, let me know a couple days how that’s going, right. And then depending on what you text me, I might tweak it, or suggest the next step, as I would recommend it. So, um, my

Brandon Handley 40:31

comments was to have like, a videos too, sometimes, or just like, any type of supporting materials type of thing.

Shannah White 40:37

Sporting materials of this player are written, I do have an interest in producing video. They are usually, like, for instance,

Shannah White 40:50

a three page

Shannah White 40:54

very nice. So that I

Brandon Handley 40:57

know, I know that sometimes what I’ll do, I mean, just, from my, from what I’ll do is like, you know, similar to you, right? If somebody is going through in a different space, and like, hey, how’s that going, like, Oh, I’m feeling this way or that way. And I’m like, oh, then, you know, try out this, you know, dispenza video, or Yo, you need this Alan Watts video, or, you know, this clip, or something of that type of thing like

Shannah White 41:19

that, except that I just write it on the spot.

Brandon Handley 41:22

Okay, I love that. I love that. And, you know, I want to highlight something here that we haven’t really talked about, is that you’ve been in this space, your entire life. Right? Like, you know, you kind of grew up in like this, you know, spirituality space. And, you know, you’ve been involved with it, I think, head on for how many years now? Like, I mean,

Shannah White 41:47

25 years with sacred reality.

Brandon Handley 41:49

Right? So I mean, you know, and I like to throw that out there for like, you know, the the authority of sense so that somebody doesn’t go like, What if she started yesterday and got a, you know, got a certificate? Because, yes, listen, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. But I want people to understand that. You’re not dabbling in this.

Shannah White 42:09

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I was, I guess it would be 31 years ago that I started with a course in miracles. And then, five years ago that I started the secret.

Brandon Handley 42:20

Are you still having into Of course, a miracle? So you think you got

Shannah White 42:24

I was writing about innocence. And I wanted to really cool, pull out all the nuances of my own understanding. Yeah. So. So I wanted to read about it. And I actually tried to find something out there in the world. But I found out that people actually have a surprising perception of innocence out in the world, it’s very much like, innocence is that beautiful, blissful, untainted state of childhood that then you lose it, and you can never get it back. And, and not only that, you wouldn’t want it back. Because people will just take advantage of you like it’s a weakness thing. And like, really, that’s what people think about innocence. Yeah. But I anyway, so I want to go off with

Brandon Handley 43:12

that. Where’d you land on innocence?

Shannah White 43:15

Oh, wow. So innocence.

Shannah White 43:18

Innocence is that place where it is, it’s the untainted state of mind. And children have it because they haven’t learned this trust yet. Until they do learn to this trust, and then their, their state of mind is chained to the lead of the show. So they taught to this trust. Well, they might have an experience they don’t understand that’s painful. And so they can learn to distress from that itself. But then there are people in their life to guide them. And it could be that people guide them in a way that he also does trust. But that’s not really going on, because our culture is not educated deeply enough. With with the wisdom that I think the word spiritual or super humanity stands for, to actually help a child fully resolved.

Brandon Handley 44:15

For instance, with a lot we lost half of that we got we got hold give me once. I’m going to pause this for a second record resumed. All right, awesome. So we lost two disconnected on the idea of, um, you know, the children experiencing trauma or something like that right? To?

Shannah White 44:38

Oh, okay. Okay. Right. So that you were saying that children don’t have to distressed and so I was saying that they can have a painful experience, and experience distress naturally from that. But parent or guardian, if they, if a parent or guardian can hold a space of innocence themselves. And show a child through understanding how to heal what happened for them in that painful experience, then innocence we maintain trust can be maintained. But here’s the other thing that’s really interesting is that childhood innocence tends to give trust away easily. Whereas the innocence of that we know we earn through discipline is the trust. It’s a trusting state of mind. When we give that trust to the inner voice of love, which a child doesn’t know how to do, yet, it takes

Shannah White 45:43

take something learn how to do that. Sure.

Shannah White 45:47

So So innocence is actually a strength when you can allow your mind to become peaceful and untainted. In other words, unguarded and not biased by beliefs. Just open. But, but it’s not open in a way that’s honorable, it’s open in a way that’s invulnerable. Because you’re listening inside. For that voice of love, which is state of innocence allows to happen, you actually have to practice innocence in order to discover your super humanity.

Brandon Handley 46:26

would you would you? Would you say that, um, it’s kind of like a non attachment and judgment free sense of being?

Shannah White 46:35

Definitely.

Brandon Handley 46:36

Right. I mean, that the innocence isn’t and then you know, again, being love emotion. No labels, no attachments, and no judgment is a kind of a state of innocence.

Shannah White 46:51

Right? Yes. Okay. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:55

that’s great. So

Shannah White 46:56

actually, is also allowing the voice of truth to tell you what something is.

Shannah White 47:03

Does that make sense?

Brandon Handley 47:04

Yeah. I mean, you give me an example of that. What was that? What’s that look like to you?

Unknown Speaker 47:08

Um,

Shannah White 47:10

well, what comes to mind is a very, very tiny example. Sure. I just went by really quick example. But in that moment, when you have that feeling to ask me how to grasp my name, but not in innocence would just trust that in books,

Brandon Handley 47:31

right. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I like it. Like, it’s so funny, though. It’s so funny how that happened. But yeah,

Shannah White 47:38

this this was just an example. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 47:40

like that. You’re right. Right. And it says what trust, you know, trust? And, you know, follow that up. That’s great. No, that’s perfect, right?

Shannah White 47:50

Yes. And if I might just answer your question from a few minutes ago. Um, so as part of my rumination on innocence, I did go look in A Course in Miracles which, which is an old friend, but I don’t, I have no, you know, phases where I don’t pick it up. And then I pick it up later. And oh, my God, it’s such a good book. Like, every time I go back to it, I actually get more out of it, because of the growth that I’ve experienced in between, has allowed me to come back to it and see it deeper. And then I’m like, Man, this is

Brandon Handley 48:19

good. Where was this? 20 years ago? Do you know so? Are you do you have like the the big one that’s got all three of the books? And it was it got the it’s got the text, the lessons, the daily, the daily lessons, and then it’s got the teacher mode in there as well as that, right? Yeah. So do I’ve only read it and done the lessons and by the way, like anybody that’s ever listened to this listen to this never ticked off course for articles, I highly recommend that you go through it’s one year worth of like, daily, you know, kind of lessons, really, there’s more of like, just this kind of moment to self reflect or take something in, right, just those daily lessons, but I’d have not read the or dug into the teachers aspect of it all. Do you find value in that

Shannah White 49:08

part? of book? I do? I do. I wouldn’t say I have it all committed to memory. But one thing that’s very interesting in that section is levels of trust, which has already come up in our conversation, because that’s really, what you’re what the journey is one measure of the journey. And and since you could if you could put the journey on one metric. It’s going to be the metric of what do you trust? And how is your transition of trusting the ego to trusting the voice of love going?

Brandon Handley 49:43

That’s great. That’s great. I love I love using trust as a metric. That’s cool. Very cool. So let’s talk about you know, a little bit about you know, making the mystical practical, right and Sacred reality lists, you know, what are a couple things that you do? Because that’s a big part of this podcast. Right? It’s bringing the the mystical and making it practical, right? How can you How can you take these kind of thoughts and ways of being and apply them to your daily life and have a more fulfilling life? Right. So let’s talk about a little bit of a couple of ways that you might be doing that sacred reality.

Shannah White 50:29

Okay, well, let’s see. Um, yesterday, I spent time with someone in India, he is an India. And I’m here in the United States, in New York. And this was our third chat, they were just chatting as friends, but I’m always ready to be a beginner choose, the opportunity arises. And I actually thought you might enjoy being on my email list. So I invited him to my email list. And he said that he didn’t want to be on the email list, because he was enjoying just the feeling of our organic conversation in the Facebook Messenger space. But the fact that he had this response, opened up a kind of honesty in our conversation that set a tone in his space. And so we continue to talk about things life, like dynamics and rst. But

Shannah White 51:41

I’ll actually here’s what it was, he told me.

Shannah White 51:46

He told me, we have a whole email, man email conversation, and it wasn’t a big deal. But he wanted to make sure I understood that because he didn’t want to reject me, you want me to feel rejected? And so I was explaining I feel understood. And he’s like, you know, I think I’m just weird today, because I’m feeling kind of off. I’m like, What do you mean? And he said, Well, I’m feeling like, I don’t know what I want to do. I don’t know what I don’t want to do. And I said, Would you like a suggestion? And so I, and he said, Yes. And I suggested, very much similar to what I had just guided you through. And I was focusing with him, I was focusing on the breath as the navigating agent for the feeling. And she didn’t want to do it, actually, because he could feel that there was going to be a bunch of emotion underneath the surface. So then, okay, fine. You don’t have to do it. But our conversation continued, and a little bit later in the conversation. Oh, yeah, that’s right. So he said, You know, I will say one thing, which is, I experienced you like a candle in the darkness. Why is that? And so I started to talk about I asked him some questions. But I also started to talk about holding the space of truth, energy, because that’s my understanding. That’s my feeling of what he’s feeling. And, and then, so as we’re just exploring this topic, then he comes back around, and he says, and as far as that breathing, feeling, exercise goes, it feels to me like holding your hand and going to sleep in this deep peace.

Shannah White 53:46

And

Shannah White 53:49

he felt he has not felt, in fact, our entire relationship started because I posted about innocence. And he wanted to talk to me about it. And he said, I I lost innocence, and I will never have it again. So that’s what are Are those the beginning of our relationship some weeks ago, but here in this moment together, just being really honest about what’s coming up between us. She actually found a place where he felt the peace of God or the peace of truth for the first time. And he did not expect to ever feel that or anything like that.

Brandon Handley 54:29

And that’s also like the the space of innocence. Right? So it was talking about, okay,

Shannah White 54:35

yes. And he felt it very briefly that he said that it was deep and real. And so why is this mystical? Right. I didn’t talk to him even though I was sharing with him about the energy that I’m that I’m holding that he’s feeling. The reason that he felt it is because I was holding So we were having a conversation that’s bringing his understanding along. But the actual the actual communication that allowed him to experience that level of peace was the fact that I was holding a frequency. And as he’s talking to me, his intuition, which is our intuition is always operating, even if we don’t know how to do it on purpose, right? his intuition is picking up this frequency of truth from my energy field, even though we’re seven or 8000 miles apart. And he allowed himself in that moment, after talking, he got to feel like okay, I can trust to just feel this for this moment. And, and then he felt it. So this is the beginning. I mean, that’s what of course, miracles calls miracle is when love enter someone’s perception and changes it. And in fact, of course, in miracles says that that is a huge time saver.

Shannah White 56:09

Sure, alters time. Right.

Brandon Handley 56:12

All right. That’s all just matter of perception. Right? So that’s awesome. So this is what you do. Right? This is this is kind of a, you know, you’re out there creating super humanity, people. And you’re helping others out there making the mystical, practical. And I think that, you know, seems like you’re doing a great job, you seems like you’re, you’re happy with what you do, right? And this way, like, I still remember when we first we first connected, we talked to Matt, this is a life that you’ve always led. And I love that, too, because because it’s, um, you always hear somebody say, well make sure you didn’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall. Or a ladder in life. And here, you know, in my humble opinion, you know, you put your ladder up against a great wall, right? Because at the end of the day, you know, you’re out there and you’re being of service, but you’re, you know, not being a servant. Right. Like, you know, there’s, I think there’s a big difference in that. And I think that that’s also a challenge

Unknown Speaker 57:21

for another

Brandon Handley 57:22

another day, but, you know, for when you come into this space, you talked about, you know, letting go of all the things and giving all the things away and wanting to be of service, but like, you still need to be of service to yourself. Right? It’s Jerry,

Shannah White 57:38

actually say two things that come to mind based on what you just said. One is that, absolutely, I have to stay in my own alignment. So if I’m feeling like I need to go to sleep, and someone wants to be talking to me on Facebook Messenger, the thing I need to do is go to sleep, because if I don’t, I’m actually going to a won’t be able to hold the space that I bought for them, I will start to feel resentful. subtly, but nonetheless resentful, because why? Because I’m not respecting myself. So it does start with a very solid foundation of listening inside and respecting what I hear, which includes time of asleep.

Unknown Speaker 58:25

Oh,

Shannah White 58:26

yeah. And I will say also, that is not just, it’s not just the energy space that I hold, which is not a property of my own. It’s also that listening. That’s what that’s what the energy is, actually if I stopped listening, then the my energy will go flat. Hmm. So it’s the fact that he writes something. And then I feel inside myself. What my responses? And if I think it, it’s going to come out flat. Sure. So So yes, has to take care of itself. And here’s the other thing that I find really interesting and important. I did run across on Facebook, a they call it some kind of association for spiritual ethics. And they have an interesting and potentially worthwhile mission, which is that they want to get I guess, there’s some people who can find themselves in an inappropriate relationship with someone who was a spiritual guide for them and and then they feel like you’re hurt, whatever is going on out there. That’s what they’re trying to protect people from and they want to give guidelines like this is the way it should look. So it looks different than this. Maybe you need to reconsider. And sure people need help processing contrast to make healthier choices in their experiences. That’s totally fine. Fine. But one of the features of this organization is that someone who serves the public in a spiritual capacity could become certified by this ethics Association, which means that they answer to that ethics Association. And I thought to myself immediately, I said, No, no, no, I don’t answer to anyone but God. Like, I’m listening to love inside. And I will say and do as love directs me to do, I’m not going to sign up with some human run rulebook. completely the opposite of what it means to be in the flow, even though the character of love matches what they’re trying to resemble. With their roots.

Brandon Handley 1:00:53

For me, I listen, it’s not a soft, the worst thing, right? Because, you know, you and, and I could feel that way. You know, I operate out of a place of love. Whereas, you know, there’s, there are the people out there that take advantage of others, and use this way of being in somehow, right, in a malicious way. Right, in a way that self serving and, and, you know, we talked a little bit, just a moment ago about, you know, a lot, you know, aligning ourselves and whatnot, but not to the detriment of others. Right. When you and I are talking about, you know, becoming into alignment with self, we’re talking about how do I, you know, you know, spend time in my love being whatever that looks like to you, right, you know, love and motion as it were versus You know, this this kind of morphic space where you can create it, and you can have everybody inviting, get all this sense of being, but then, you know, basically, you’re creating a cult, right, and you’re like, hey, follow me, this is the only way to be you can’t deviate from what I’ve just told you. And you know, and you’re sucked in, right? And you’re sucked in. And so that, to me, you know, if somebody’s got a certificate, at least, like, burned by this before, I’m not doing it again, right type of thing comes from it sounds like it’s not the worst thing.

Shannah White 1:02:25

It’s, it comes from a good intention, for sure. It might help some people out there

Brandon Handley 1:02:30

that are upset. I know how you said to is it resonates with love, right? Just you know, from a place of love, but

Shannah White 1:02:37

it’s also true that, that anyone who is hoping to grow spiritually into actualize super humanity and their self experience, the authority is within. So a mentor, such as myself, and I understand that you mentor people as well. is a is a guide. Right? But if you give, whether that guide is acting in a holy fashion or an unholy fashion, whether they, you know, morph themselves into an ego picture of spirituality, and they’re acting that out for themselves in their own karmic cycle, we still have to, or whether they’re acting like Jesus, we still have to, as someone who’s being mentored, we still have to look within this, like, you know, we have to feel what’s right. So if something doesn’t feel right, and then the other person says, No, no, it is right. You gotta just leave. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:03:44

Yeah. And but it can be tough, right? It can be it can be really tough again, you know, we, you know, go back to the beginning of, you know, losing that son, you know, losing that selfishness sense of, of, you know, too many variables. Right. And that’s the thing, too many variables. And if you have never experienced, even trusting yourself, right, that’s, again, that’s that that point that’s that that’s that tilting point that I was talking about in the in the book, Foursquare’s power, of coming to courage, right, because everything under courage is is doubt, fear, all these other things because you haven’t stepped into and realized your true potential. You’re, you know, birthright as it were, all those things.

Shannah White 1:04:34

That’s true. I have another thing to add, actually, because then this connects to what we were talking about before, like creating. And I can speak from my own experience this way too, because I had a relationship not with a spiritual mentor, but I had a relationship that before, before I really came home to prioritizing voice of love inside myself. There was this relationship with Were love was outside. And even though I was trying to work everything in a spiritual way, like really work hard at my life and in spiritual ways, but I still had this perception of love outside myself. And, and I attracted to myself, the perfect partner to act out a painful experience. Right, right. And so even when we’re not relaxing and flowing in the ocean of God’s creative thoughts, we’re still creating because we are created in likeness and image. So our mind is creative, when we have a thought that connects with a feeling gets impressed in the magnetic component of our mind, and then that starts to magnetize something to us. So I hope if, if my desire can bless anyone, I hope that people who have found themselves in a harmful relationship of any kind, whether it’s with a spiritual mentor, or not a spiritual mentor, that they find the presence of self reflection, to use the opportunity that’s given to them, that where they’re resonating with something that they become attracted to, and they’ve attracted to themselves. And if they can recognize that they can take the opportunity to become empowered through growing through that experience, rather than disempowered thinking you’re a victim of it.

Brandon Handley 1:06:35

Yeah, I mean, that’s not that’s all along the path. Right. That’s all the quote that that’s the quote unquote, the process,

Unknown Speaker 1:06:41

right? Yes. Yes. That’s

Brandon Handley 1:06:42

the process. So when people are talking, I always ask people that because they’ll say what’s the process? trust the process? was, I mean to you? Right, because I think it can mean a lot of different things. I think you just described the process fairly well. So where can we send people to connect with you?

Shannah White 1:06:59

Um, people can go to sacred reality.org and my coaching profiles on there and because send an email through the contact form.

Shannah White 1:07:10

I could also give my email address. Does that make sense?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:15

If you want to Yeah.

Shannah White 1:07:16

Okay, great. Anyway, you want people to connect with you? Very good. That’s Shama s h a n n. h. at Sacred reality. Work is my email address and I’m also on Facebook. I’m Shawna dot white that three

Brandon Handley 1:07:33

nice way. I just want to say thank you so much for hopping on today. Love the conversation. I think this is a one where we could go for hours right type of conversations. So I appreciate the depth of your knowledge and you know, the things that you shared with us today and hope that the people that are listening out there they they took something away from this guy, thank you, you offer quite a lot. So thank you.

Shannah White 1:07:57

Thank you so much for having

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope, and thanks for joining me today I have with me, Christian Bradley West, the country clairvoyant. Um, first of all, I just loved the name. Right. And I think that that’s one of the reasons why we connected um, you know, obviously he’s a clairvoyant in the spirituality space artists, textile artists,

Unknown Speaker 0:28
author

Brandon Handley 0:30
podcaster and Instagram influencer. So, you know, a couple of things that you write in here, right is a, you know, dedicated to facilitate and clear vision with within others, so that they are no longer wandering in the wilderness asking the question is, how did I get here? What am I doing? What is my purpose? Who am I? And you know, you’re like, Hey, I’ll spare you all the brain science focuses on patterns and behaviors. And I’ll let you know, until you I know exactly how you got to where you are patterns and behaviors, right? And then, you know, you kind of say, Hey, I’m more like a spirit guide and a meat suit. Right. So this is a spirit guide me suit. What more do you need to know? Right? You know what, and so thanks for being here today. Appreciate it.

Christian Bradley West 1:19
Thank you. Thank you. And I have to say, I’m one of many. You are here, as well. We’re all booty. Buddhists. They were all Buddhists. Right? We’re all we’re all gods. So we’re all bad in some fashion. Some of us just, I’ve picked up the the staff, I suppose the staff are found in the wilderness and decided to go forward with Sure. Sure. No, I love that. Right.

Brandon Handley 1:41
I think that i think that that’s another part where the word awareness kind of gets tossed in and out, right, like, everybody is

Unknown Speaker 1:49
Buddha.

Brandon Handley 1:50
Right? Yeah. But it’s like whether or not you decide to be aware of it or not acknowledgement even. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, so what I like to start these off with is, you know, source speaks through us, right. And certain conditions and what this microphone is, right, is an amplifier. Right? Yeah. So, sources speaking through you today to specific people that listen to this podcast. What’s it saying? What’s the message that you’re here to deliver today?

Christian Bradley West 2:23
Ah, wow, he put me on the spot. Let’s see what’s coming through. Okay. So one thing that’s been coming through just recently is there’s there’s a lot Okay, let’s go here. There’s a lot of conspiracy theories out there. There’s a lot of there’s a lot of information, right. We live in the information age, there’s a lot of it, right. And there’s any number of different facets. There’s the truth, there’s the lies, there’s all those different things. And of course, people could say, oh, truth is relative, so forth, all that we get into all that talk, but we won’t right now. But we could say all of that. So. But what I will point to is that none of that matters. And you’re like, well, Krishna, of course, it matters. This information, we need this information to live to survive, what is it? What are you What is it? Why does it matter? And I say that because what only matters is the individual, you taking care of you. So there’s could be all that shit swirling around in the world. And it is not directly impacting you on a day to day basis. If it is not speaking to your own practice of awareness, then then really the focus I want now I feel like in my message period is I want people to focus on their own individual awareness, their own individual growth, and their own choices, because that is what drives the collective right. That’s what drives all of the other things. Because each of us is a piece of the whole and whole as a piece. Right. So, so, so that’s been showing up a lot in talks with friends, family, other people. And and I always want to point back to the consciousness of the individual. And yes, there are many things going on. But if we don’t have the facts and figures, then we probably want to just redirect our focus to what is true within us, and how we can participate with that. And instead of worrying about what’s going on in the rest of the world, although to be conscious of it is completely okay. And and to some degree necessary. Not not ignoring any of it, but also realizing what we can do in our daily life in order to contribute without getting caught up in all theories and conspiracies and all of those things.

Brandon Handley 4:49
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, there’s a there’s a lot of conspiracy theory shit out there right now. It’s just like yeah, it’s it’s like 2020 is a perfect storm for Yeah,

Christian Bradley West 5:01
movements around into cue non movement, there’s, there are literally, it feels like we’re living in a, in a, in a an apocalyptic novel, you know like science fiction it really feels that way to me sometimes it’s a little scary and entertaining at the same

Brandon Handley 5:19
time. I know that when it hit right I know I heard you said like you were all packed up and ready to go, right? You’re like, Hey, I did I did my supply shopping. But

Unknown Speaker 5:27
yeah,

Brandon Handley 5:28
when when we started seeing reports, my wife and I started seeing reports of like, you know, shipping rationed at the grocery store. I was like, Alright, we got to go online, we got to order, like we’re hitting up like restaurants, stores in order and stuff. And mind you, like we would have only lived like maybe six or seven days longer than anybody else. Right, but but we have the toilet

Unknown Speaker 5:51
paper.

Brandon Handley 5:53
But it seems like, you know, very apocalyptic. And at the same time, it’s, I think that I think it’s kind of great, because this is like that, that break that the world kind of needed, right? The disruption, like, you know, hey, everybody’s been asking for disruption. Like, we need to disrupt this that the other thing and yeah, you just got disrupted like massively. So you got what you asked for?

Christian Bradley West 6:19
Yeah, right. We were building to it. I mean, technology has been remarkably, art and science has been disruptive, throughout all of human history. And in the 20th century, of course, it essentially came to a certain head and in and it’s still doing, especially technology. Now, it is the primary disrupter. So and now we have, as you just mentioned, the these other impinging. Yeah, and what do we what do we do with it? How do we how do we essentially take the wildfire and use it to benefit? Well, I mean, I

Brandon Handley 6:59
love how you hit on that, you know, let’s, uh, you know, that talks a little bit. So like, I think your outcome is optimizing. Right? Yeah. And let’s talk about that a little bit. But um, let’s give people a little bit of backstory, right. concha clairvoyant. How did he come into existence?

Christian Bradley West 7:17
Well, and this is one incarnation, I’ll say, I don’t know if I will stay here, but it’s one of the titles I always joke. I’m like, Khaleesi, Mother of Dragons, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It’s like I have 1000 titles in this life already. And, and I’m at the end of it, it’s just I am just Christian by the West. But how that came to be, was I oddly enough, without meaning to I had had this dream about being Native American. And then a week later, I found out that I actually had that in my bloodline through my father. And but what also happened is I did a soul retrieval because I grew up on power, the power 10 Nation property in Virginia, which is course related to Pocahontas. I literally live just miles down from Pocahontas State Park. So I grew up on that land. And, um, and had a lot of weird circumstances I always was had, I guess you could say psychic, aware, medium. And so what I did is I came back actually that week, without knowing having the dream I was coming back to Virginia from Georgia, with a dear dear friend who’s also an astrologer psychic, medium person. And he tuned in and he’s like, Oh, yeah, you died on that property. And we went through the whole thing. And so I went back there. And then on the drive back to Atlanta, I had the country live with me, which actually was an idea six months before, but I thought it was a distraction. I was like, oh, whatever, it’s much bullshit. And then like, but the voice was in my head, like, you have to do this. And here’s the interesting thing is that if I would not have started it about two and a half years ago, I would not know what I would be doing to make a living now, I don’t know what I would be doing. Because my books that I had then had been rejected, like, nothing was coming through like, this was the thing. And I’d started account previous, that took me six months to maybe get 1000 followers, and in the first month with this account with the Instagram account, for those that are listening, I had almost 4000 followers. So Beginner’s luck, essentially. And I was like, Okay, I guess this is what I’m doing now. And then it was like, okay, just start doing readings, which I had always done for friends and family, but then it was like, Okay, do this now. And I was like, Oh, shit. So,

Brandon Handley 9:29
so intuition. Intuition was saying,

Christian Bradley West 9:32
Yeah, there’s no Yeah, yeah. Just I, I jokingly say, people could easily probably call me schizophrenia. I’m not, but that they’re like, Oh, you hear voices? And I’m like, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 9:44
We kind of hit on that though, too. Right. Like, I mean, could I listen, my grandmother was schizophrenia, you know, but I went there for the diagnosis. But you know, could it have been? You know, intuition, could it have bad mediumship Couldn’t have been one or any of all these other things. Absolute just improperly received.

Christian Bradley West 10:06
Yeah. And I absolutely think that I sometimes I think there’s a direct line of mental illness with this work. Um, I’ve struggled with it periodically. Because I think when you’re, when you’re walking the margins of society in any way, shape or form, in your thought process, you definitely feel like an outsider. And if you’re getting information, and it’s coming in a quote, unquote, weird way, or odd way, it can definitely be that way. But we not only hear the positive, we hear potentially the negative as well. And sometimes you can get very consumed in those negative voices. And as we know, the collective is full of those voices going back to conspiracy theories and so forth. For so it’s hard to discern. So I think sometimes the mental illness gets augmented as bad or negative, because no one is there to cultivate the listening and how to discern between what’s coming through.

Brandon Handley 11:01
Right, right. And being able to, you know, tune in or tune out, right.

Christian Bradley West 11:08
Exactly. Filter weather, what radio station, yeah, what radio station and my tuning into, sometimes that dial is just all over the place, especially for people who are empathic, and I’m like, okay, the point is to learn what station you want to turn into and where they’re different stations. And that takes a tremendous amount of practice, and self awareness.

Brandon Handley 11:28
Yeah. So so you know, you’re headed back to Georgia, you decide the country clairvoyant, you spin up the Instagram account. You’ve got 4000 followers in a month, and people are probably like, how did you do that? But you basically just spun it up, and you were being your authentic self?

Christian Bradley West 11:46
Yeah, I decided that with his account, I was just gonna throw everything at the wall and see what stuck. Like, I just was like, This is who I am. I feel like I’ve had to learn and modify things within this space, not modify it in a negative sense, but but essentially almost like carving out a sculpture. There’s like, Okay, this, this works, this doesn’t work. And how and really what it is, is same with my writing is how do I refine how I use my voice? What am I saying? What do I want to say? Where do I want to direct this and become more strategic in my awareness of my own message? And it’s, it’s slowly evolving, I decided this will be just a meme account right now. Because I like that a lot of people go in, they change it like, Hey, this is a meme account. And now it’s gonna be a personal account. I don’t know. I kind of like it being little.

Brandon Handley 12:36
Right, right. Right. Yeah. No. So I mean, it is a meme. And it’s entertaining. Right. Lots of entertainment on there. And, you know, I think that, you know, from, from my perspective, and where I’m coming from, I was looking for kind of spiritual accounts that weren’t your everyday spiritual accounts. Yeah. I mean, look, there’s a lot of them out there.

Unknown Speaker 12:57
Yeah. And, and they’re great.

Brandon Handley 12:59
They’re great. But like, there’s, you know, spirituality isn’t all, you know, like, the beads. It’s not all like that, that that stupid dress that every hippie has. Yeah. And yeah, and all that. Right. Yeah. And that’s why I started following some of what you’re putting out there. Right. Yeah. Because I enjoyed it. It’s authentic. It’s real. And it Yeah, it is spiritual. The stuff that you’re saying is like, it’s legit, right? I know, because I got a book of what’s legit and what’s not behind me.

Christian Bradley West 13:33
Call your intuition. Right. Like, it’s

Brandon Handley 13:39
like, yeah, look, it’s you know, I try not to be like an elitist. But sometimes, like, You got it, you got to know where to cut the shit, right? Like, you know, this is like, you can tell some, some things apart from others. And that’s just it.

Christian Bradley West 13:52
It’s about the editing and the curating. And to me, I like to be very practical, to me, spirituality is simply rewiring the brain for more awareness, more openness to to the, to the perceived unknown anyway. And, and, and not getting so stuck in the mire of what have been right and thinking we know already. And we call it spirituality and the you know, if you look back at Hinduism, the Vedas, if you look all the way back to some of the very early spiritual texts, they all talk about, essentially changing your perspective and which which rewires the brain and the more you practice the different perspectives or the different thoughts, or it could be taken even further to live and no thought and allow things to arise from that. Then your life changes, your brain chemistry changes, your body chemistry changes, everything changes, and of course, the way that they taught me Kriya Yoga, the way you accelerate that practice is through your breath work, which is a Kriya Yoga, very separate from hatha because hot is great but Kriya Really is my favorite, because it really displaces it’s a disrupter, that breathwork is a disrupter. And literally, the thoughts, it forces the thoughts to stop. And then you just see them floating up there. And you’re like, Okay, and kind of like a tree you can pluck when you want, you know,

Brandon Handley 15:18
I love that. I love that. So I mean, I love the idea of no thought, Would you say that’s similar to surrender?

Christian Bradley West 15:28
Gosh, yes, I can definitely be an aspect of that. Because the mind very much so wants to assume and judge and categorize and label and detail and, and do all those things, which is a great tool. Again, though, it’s a tool. So either we’re using a hammer and the hammer is using us. So yeah, at some point in time, to essentially surrender the need to be thinking all the time, they need to be figuring out like, last night, I had this emotional state come over me where I was very angry. And I was like, let’s figure this out. And then I thought for a second, I was like, No, Christian, you can’t think your way through this. Let’s breathe our way through this. Let’s accept it to your point. Let’s surrender. Not to the circumstance, but let’s surrender to the awareness of the circumstance.

Brandon Handley 16:18
Right, right now, hundred percent hundred percent. Yeah. You know, in a situation where you’re angry, you know, you’re restricting the possibilities, right? Because you’ve got like this pinpoint, you know, thing or like, Scott, I have in this way, God dammit.

Christian Bradley West 16:35
Right. Or it didn’t happen that way. So God damn right.

Brandon Handley 16:38
Right. Right. Right. So like, like I had, I had, like, you know, the whole universe, and it’s got a it’s got land on this time. And if it doesn’t, I’m pissed as hell. And you’re not open or open to what are all these other possibilities? Right. And yeah, just literally kind of letting that flow through you.

Christian Bradley West 16:56
Yeah, absolutely. It’s good way to put it. Absolutely.

Brandon Handley 17:00
Well, you know, look, I mean, we’re, we are energy, energy currents, right, like, and just this body, the meatsuit. Right. Yeah. And the mind acts as a dam for that stuff, right? We’re like, well, like, I guess I’m just gonna have to stop it. It’s all gonna stay right here. And this is like, yeah, honey type flow. And you they again, you’re just restricted to this, like tiny space. Otherwise, you know, we’ve got the rest of the we’ve got the rest of the universe to work with. And we’re not even trying.

Christian Bradley West 17:27
No, well, and there’s something so there’s two things, the shamans, shamans are often called the hollow bones, right. So they’re the vessel that folds the spirit, whatever you want to say. And then, and then you also have, the way you’re talking about to me and an astrology thing is very Saturn nine way of looking at things from two different sides, which is, there’s a great book that I loved when I was young artists called the power of limits, and it talks about pie and proportion. And and how this this number definitely had a structure to it. But the structure was potentially infinite in its incarnations. And I always love that because to me, it’s like, yes, we’re in the meatsuit. But what how do we maximize the potential of this meatsuit? And and through adversity through potentially, which could be potentially very much so be suffering and certain challenges in life, we begin to recognize what we’re capable of beyond our conditioning beyond the domestication beyond the agreements, we were handed as children. And go Wait, But wait, there’s more. Right? But But how do we do that while maintaining an open space? I jokingly say we’re all walking vaginas for spirit.

Brandon Handley 18:45
Because the receive,

Christian Bradley West 18:46
right, right, because sometimes, we’re definitely there’s a structure to us. But there’s definitely something else and what people don’t realize the spirit isn’t outside. We are spirit, hopefully. Yeah. Yeah. So so it’s like when we surrender, we’re not surrendering to something as much as we are, which is the way it looks to people. What we’re ultimately doing is we’re just allowing for our authentic nature without all the voices without allies without their old, old, old the past to get in the way of how we want to be now.

Brandon Handley 19:19
So how did you stumble on that for yourself? Ask me that again. How did I what I’ll just stumble on that for yourself. You know,

Christian Bradley West 19:26
was it was it something I yeah, so when I started very young, I always was I was always drawn to this stuff, which again, astrological look at my chart, it’s like, oh, yeah, you are spiritual as fuck and, and it’s true. I always was. I was always interested in all these weird things like the angels fairies and fantasy dragons, so forth, whatever. And then when I was when I was when I was 14, I started to realize I was gay. And that was very difficult because I was this devote Christian set. Baptist and had chosen that through actually my grandparents who were my archetype of unconditional love in my life. So I was like, of course, like, they’re showing me the way, so I’m going to do the church thing. Sure. And then the other aspect to it was that created so much stress, we all actually moved to Atlanta, at 16. So middle of high school, so I had to leave all my friends. And I developed Crohn’s disease as a child. So those two things kind of coming together. Like a

Brandon Handley 20:32
hydron Collider, right? Yes,

Christian Bradley West 20:33
it was. So those they end also dealing with parental abuse, as well as, as a child and as a teenager, mental, emotional, and physical, became all of those things created such intense suffering for me that I just essentially, that was my initial collapse. And at that point, time, if you want to call them angels, or whatever, showed up, I didn’t know who they were. But I was having these dreams with these beings and these feelings that I was having. And, and so a door open then and then I met started meeting through doing herbs and essential oils and my healing and things like that, because I got off the steroids. I was just done with the anti inflammatories they had me on went completely to herbs. So in those shops, I started to meet people that was like, Oh, I want to I want to get to know these people. What’s going on here? So yeah, so that was the beginning of it all.

Brandon Handley 21:31
So it’s a whole nother space. And so, you know, it’s funny, because you mentioned you’re gay. And and also, you know, you’re doing this clairvoyance. And you’re in the south.

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah.

Christian Bradley West 21:47
Hence the country clairvoyant.

Brandon Handley 21:49
Right. Right. So so for, you know, for for people tuning in, you know, if you’re not from the south, and if you haven’t ventured to the south, I hate to say it, you know, there’s a lot of parts in the south that really haven’t changed in the past 30 to 40 years. So for you to be in the position that you’re in doing what you’re doing, I’d say that’s brave, right, you know, in one sense of the word. But in the other side of that, there must have been, you know, this kind of fear stacked on fear. And I think I talked about it before, like, you know, what happens we like, not only are you gay, you’ve already you’re in the south, but now you’re like, I’m gonna be doing tarot readings. And, boy, and I’m psychic, who wants to hang out? Right? All right. So let’s talk about stepping into that space and what that was like for you.

Christian Bradley West 22:40
So to your point, very much so that I, for anyone that doesn’t know and the ones that listen in probably don’t, um, I come from a fear space and everywhere, so that you may say, like, you walk the path of love or fear, whatever the conscious or unconscious, I always come from the fear. And what I also realize I do is I do everything anyway. So if I feel very compelled and inspired to seek something out or to participate in some way, then I will do it, and nothing will stop me. Nothing. I will, I will go, Okay, this is what I’m doing now. And it’s interesting, because I haven’t dealt even being gay, I haven’t dealt with outside of high school, there hasn’t been any prejudice in my life. There’s never I’ve never stumbled. I also have dated very country, alpha boys a lot, they have tend to find me. And I have I was country boy, myself. So um, you know, inside, there’s, there’s one of those inside of me. So, um, so you know, it’s true. And so I’ve kind of, it’s odd how it’s all worked out. It’s, it’s, it’s strange, I really, I always say, I’m 50% country, 50% city. And so I just I go wherever I’m called. And I find those people, whether they’re in the country, or in the cut, you know, one way to say it, or, or if or if they’re actually, you know, in more urban areas, it’s funny, I feel very binary in that way that I kind of flow between the two. And the fear. Of course, in the beginning, it’s always the, you know, the strongest in the beginning, but I’ve just, I keep pushing past that. And when I started to do this, the fear was, oh my god, I’m gonna be in front of people talking and talking about my my philosophies, my, my own perspectives, and that felt very vulnerable, so that I’ve had to work through that a lot, as well. So have you found it to be empowering,

Brandon Handley 24:45
kind of facing those fears and and stepping into them?

Christian Bradley West 24:48
Absolutely. My perception is it’s always empowering for us because if we don’t turn around and look at what scares us, then we will Stay, what we resist persists. As they say, I find that to be very true. And it’s of great value, that we, that we dive deep, I still dive deep, I still, one thing I’m struggling with recently is wanting to be accepted by the group. I still feel that way sometimes. And if I’m still wanting that, then there’s still ego and be attached to some form of outcome. And so and so and afraid that I won’t get the love and approval that apparently some part of me desperately still wants

Brandon Handley 25:32
a madman No, I get it, I get it. And, you know, this is this is something I actually just did a transformational kind of session last week or the week before with the very same thing, like, you know, yeah, like, what’s your, you know, what’s your hang up? I’m like, it’s belonging, right. Like, it’s just, and that was in the session I did was it was great, right. But you know, just saying, I get the whole belonging part, right. And and so, you know, what do you do with that, right? And it sounds to me, like, Look, you just kind of keep stepping towards it, right? Like, that’s it,

Christian Bradley West 26:05
that’s it, you, you acknowledge the fear, and you go, and this, and I go, fuck you, you do not get to drive the car, right? And sometimes you don’t even get to sit in the backseat, sometimes you have to get in the trunk. And I just say, no, we’re not doing this, I really, I really have to have that conversation with myself. That’s not what I’m doing now.

Brandon Handley 26:27
That’s great. Now that we’re at now, where do you find that kind of impacting what it is that you do, and like, how you getting you know,

Christian Bradley West 26:35
so I show up, I participate. Because otherwise, if we feel ashamed, and we feel like what we don’t have to offer is a value to people. And shame being not I feel bad, but that I am bad, right? There is something wrong with me isn’t how I define shame. Um, and so if we feel any of that, and we’re essentially judging what we have to offer, then we’re doing a disservice to ourselves, but also to other people that might be seeking it. And right now, there’s this explosion of amazing people, like you and so many other people out there who are wanting to provide information to people that can help them on their journey. And if we’re not doing that, then we’re we’re essentially we’re allowing our, the junk to get in the way, and potentially being very selfish because of that, because we want to protect ourselves, right? So stepping into that space of vulnerability to me very consciously, I call becoming available. So I value being available. So I choose the availability and what it’s teaching me is to show up every day, because my inclination has been to go run in my room and hide sure the ad and become very introverted. Sure. And go, No, I don’t want to do that. And what if I get judged for it? And what if people don’t like it? And what? What if I fuck up? You know?

Brandon Handley 28:01
Yeah, no, look, I agree, right? I love that too. What if you fuck up? So what is your life? Right? Like, anyways? Like, you know,

Christian Bradley West 28:09
I cannot is that even true? Because as I as as one of my dearest friends on the planet says, you have to be every bend to be where you are.

Brandon Handley 28:16
Right? Well, I mean, it was funny. We’re getting ready for this podcast. And, you know, we’re working on the lighting and, and getting the video all set up. Right. And, and I didn’t say it, but like, you know, the deal is like it you worked a whole life to get to this point, you know, this is the best you’ve ever loved today,

Unknown Speaker 28:33
right now.

Brandon Handley 28:34
Right? So so I’m not gonna look any better today than you look right now. So, I love that, um, what if I called up so if I call you up for a session, you know, what, what type of sessions am I calling up for like,

Christian Bradley West 28:52
so there there is. There’s really two I I did put on my website, multiple options, but I find it doesn’t matter what you choose, because we will always get to the nitty gritty, we’ll always get to the source of whatever, whatever information is needed. Right now, the tools are different. Some people are more comfortable with astrology, so I can do that. Some people are more comfortable with Tarot. So I do that some people want Oracle cards, or some people don’t care. They just go you have information for me. You can help me clarify something. Let’s do it. Let’s go have a party together. So we do for like an hour and we we talk we throw cards. I always start off with numbers numerology, I don’t know why I’m terrible at math. And the universe is like, Oh, hey, we’re gonna have to do numerology in order to tune into this person. And it is it’s kind of like you giving me your passcode to the Wi Fi or your computer that we get in there. And it’s like, Okay, I see this happen. Like, it’s really,

Brandon Handley 29:54
yeah, it’s an it’s interesting process. That’s cool and use, I think I heard you say like, most of the people, a lot of people are calling about relationships and whatnot,

Christian Bradley West 30:04
relationships tends to be one of the primary, um, one of the primary discussions, one of the primary readings that people want. And it is a primary way that we learn, we, we learn relationally everything in this world is in relationship you’re in, we’re in relationship with our microphones right now with our, with our recording devices, with whatever. So, um, but human relationship tends to cause the most amount of drama, because it is so nuanced, and so and instigate the triggers, sure, that require our attention in any given moment, for our healing, which, from my perspective, the root of the word healing is just hope. So it’s whatever is going to lead us into more homes. Sure. Sure. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:58
Yeah. No, and I love that right. When your relationship with someone over time they get to know all your triggers, right. Yeah. And, you know, they keep pushing them and to balance with you, you know, that’s where we learn how, where our points are that need to be fixed, right? That’s what yeah, it’s not them. It’s like these are these are your triggers. They’re not

Christian Bradley West 31:18
their triggers? No. Well, and and if you are conscious enough, then you’ll choose someone who’s not going to do it on purpose, or, or maliciously, because some people do that some people will weaponize the triggers, and general use them in order to manipulate or do whatever. And I’ve experienced that in my life. And I’ll and I’ll be like, Okay, this is, you know, you’re operating in this fashion. Can we discuss about this? And, and how can I change it out also in this, like, what’s going on here. And for me, what I realized is a lot of those relationships I had to step away from, because if someone was unaware of their own triggers as well. And, and, and also triggering other people to say, if you, if you don’t heal your wounds, you’ll bleed on others. So it’s important. It’s really important to understand who we are, and then also look at our partners and understand them so that we can be of service to their own process. Yeah, so hopefully, that happens. I don’t see that a lot. But I do see it changing. There are a lot of people out there who are ready to come together. We talk about unconscious coupling, our conscious uncoupling, but most of it is unconscious coupled instead. Right? Right, right.

Brandon Handley 32:37
Absolutely. I mean, look, I can’t I can’t say that. I can’t save the relationship that I’m in now that it was like a, it was a conscious decision.

Christian Bradley West 32:46
No, but it can become that it becomes that like over

Brandon Handley 32:50
Yeah, right. Like, absolutely. And as you kind of, I don’t want to say evolve, like, I don’t like the words evolve. I don’t like the, you know, leveling up or any of that shit. Like, it’s, again, I struggle

Christian Bradley West 33:00
with it to

Brandon Handley 33:02
remembering who you are getting back to your true sense of self, right? Like, because

Christian Bradley West 33:09
we’ll frame it in the way of the physical realm, it appears that we’re expanding or leveling up, it appears that way. But if we’re coming from a space of wholeness, and spirit, and in that spirit of wholeness already, then you already recognize the entirety exists. So you’re not trying to grab something in order to expand or level up, you’re just going, Okay, it already exists. And I’m going through the motions here, of this experience and this physical reality. So it appears that things expand and contract here, but of course, when you’re looking at it from a different perspective, everything already exists. And already is and its wholeness.

Brandon Handley 33:47
Right, so everything already exists. You just got Yeah, I’m aware of it. Right. Like that’s the that’s Yes, the line. That’s the line. What, um, all right, look, I love it. Right. Um, let’s see what else I have for you today. We talked about alkalizing your stuff, right? I pulled that out of one of the podcasts that you kind of mentioned. If someone’s not familiar with a, you know, alchemy beyond transmuting gold, you know, lead into gold added to gold. Yeah, from back in the day. You know, let’s talk a little bit about what does it mean to optimize?

Christian Bradley West 34:18
Yeah, so it’s I also in my very country way, other way I do it is using manure to grow wild flowers. So it’s taking your life’s shit, right? And then consciously applying it going, Okay, what’s the lesson throwing it on the garden? You know, and of course, everyone knows if anyone’s ever had a garden it requires tremendous tending, right because the deer come and eat things or other critters and you have any insects and all that stuff. So you have to tend to it that way. And you have to fertilize it. You have to decide some soils need extra things in order to PR certain plants to grow and you know, so It really it’s about becoming aware of what happened. What was the trauma? What was the junk mean going, how can I use this, for instance, speaking about my relationships, one relationship in particular, the person had been molested and was an alcoholic. And it I started to research more about shame, I started to research more about what healthy relationships look like, as well. I started to research all these things. And it gave me a whole nother set of tools that I wasn’t using. And so yes, that relationship was very painful and heart wrenching, and very difficult to go through. Sure. And I left it with all this information. And now I work with a lot of people who have struggled with those same things either within themselves or within relationships with their partners. And now I say, Okay, here are some tools that I have to try that. So that’s one way outcome is it it’s like, okay, don’t focus on the negative aspects of it. Although acknowledge it, don’t bypass it. Okay, that was painful. That hurt like crap. But but then attend to it and go, Okay, well, well, how can I? What did I learn? what’s the takeaway? What’s that? So in alchemy, of course, you have the fire, right? And the fire burns away everything that isn’t the gold, and you’re left with the gold. And so the alchemy to me is really a process of recognizing the value in every circumstance, and taking that gold and turning into something else. And I also say, from grid into gold, so it’s like, we take it and and we make it our own. But alchemy is the process that we’re responsible for. We also another aspect of alchemy is applying meaning to your own life, and not allowing another person place or thing, some authority outside of you to apply the meaning. You get to decide what that relationship meant, what that circumstance meant, what that event meant to you. And no one else can decide that for you. And in that way, you’re optimizing it.

Brandon Handley 36:59
Yeah, no, I mean, and I think in that situation, too, you become the true creator of your own life. Right? Like, yeah, and you’ve got all the pieces, the bits and pieces and the parts, but at some point, you realize that you are designing your own life, and you’ve got your own meaning your own purpose, your own. Yeah, you know, set of logic that makes it all happen, right? Yeah. And I saw, I love that there was another piece he said to talk about, like linearity, right? None of this is like not linear, right? None of this is linear. So anybody who says like, Listen, all you got to do is go or point A, at the left over here at point B, and you should arrive here at C, as you know, that’s the direction you go linear. What did you mean? Yeah, what do you mean by that, like?

Christian Bradley West 37:45
So I, one way that I, that I described it that I love is if anyone seen the seed of life, in anyone, google it if you if you’re listening, and you don’t know it, so it’s a set of seven circles, right? But they can expand into multiple more circles. And then if you really, if you look at it from a different perspective, it becomes a spiral. So you go around one circle, but then you hit on another circle and sons go around that circle, then you go around that circle, then you are on that circle, and then you go around that circle, then you go around that circle, and then you kind of sometimes hit on some of the things from that you’ve already learned, but then you go around it again. And so it’s, it’s not this straight. It’s not this, what I call vector consciousness, it doesn’t run on a straight line, no consciousness runs on a straight line. That’s essentially also what I would call in computer terms in AI as well, like a current AI is running on one terms, but of course, in AI talk, there’s also something called panoramic AI, which can see the whole picture, it’s not running on a vector anymore. And our consciousness is kind of like that. We start off with this linearity with this vector, okay, it’s one line. And then once we awaken, we start to realize we become panoramic, our vision becomes panoramic, when you start to see all these different circles, all these different things and to your point, um, you stop going, there’s just a dime, you go. There’s so many times there’s so many options. There’s so many ways of going about this. And, and sometimes, like in my healing of my body, I’ve had to target it from multiple ways through exercise, through herbs, through Central oils, sometimes through baths through eating certain foods through things like that. I haven’t healed my gut from just choosing Okay, I’m going to take this one medicine, and it’s going to fix everything, because there is no silver bullet usually. So in the linearity comes the exploration of the experience that

Brandon Handley 39:38
I love that dude, um, you know, just just while you’re talking about you know, healing the gut, right. Did you go through like I Vedic, uh, you know, how did you

Christian Bradley West 39:47
I try that early on. And what what I what has worked. Actually I’ve recently changed it up what has worked recently because I had another bout because I took a lot of animals For a tooth and jaw infection earlier this year, and was disrupted again. And what work this time is I have flooded myself with multiple strains of probiotics or different non dairy because I can’t do dairy. I’m non dairy yogurts, also taking certain probiotics, and also just really monitoring what is going into my body, I don’t eat really greasy food, I tend to do my best to stay away from refined sugars, and just allow anything that could potentially promote inflammation I stay away from, and then anything like herbs like marshmallow and slippery elm that kind of helped the mucosal lining, and we’re gonna sciency in that in that zone to help rebuild it, because the antibiotics kill is good bacteria that kind of helped keep that. So what I want to do is create an environment it was like, Okay, if I killed them all off, right? How do I support their regeneration? Right. Um, and before though, in the past, it’s been just like, bombarding myself with herbs. But, um, but this go round, I was like, I want to be more dynamic. So even in my practice of my life, I’m choosing to operate in that dynamic space, which again, the non linearity has benefited me greatly. And I’m, I say, I’m in the trenches with everyone. I’m over here do.

Brandon Handley 41:34
Right, right. I mean, I mean, none, I don’t think anybody’s like, perfect with all this stuff. Right. And they caught That’s why they call it that’s why I call it practice, right? Like, this is this is your practice, right? This is what you do. And these are the things that you’re doing. These are the habits that you created yourself. Um, yeah. And, you know, they serve you today, like, in a week, they could all fall apart. None of it’s working anymore. Right? Exactly.

Christian Bradley West 41:57
Oh, which has happened, which is happened.

Brandon Handley 42:01
Tanya, so I, you know, one of the things, you know, we see out there, at least, that’s what I see, you know, in this motivational, entrepreneurial, all this other stuff, right, like, stay the course, just keep with it, keep sticking with it, and you’ll make it or whatever. And you know, or don’t deviate, there’s discipline, you got to stick with it, the rigor, yada, yada, yada. And so that can make it difficult to let go of some of the habits that you’ve created, or some of the things that you’ve done. So talk about, like breaking the habits that aren’t serving you anymore, and recognizing that they’re not serving you anymore.

Christian Bradley West 42:33
This is a couple of things here, I say keep going does not mean doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. So keep going and staying consistent does not mean that you don’t adapt, you consistently adapt. So that’s what you bring into the fold there. At least that’s been my lesson. And then the other part of it is research shows because I’ve done a lot of research, I’ve researched this a lot myself, research shows that we don’t break habits. So we have these grooves in our brains, right, we create this neural pathway. And what ends up happening is we choose differently. So that old neural pathway essentially grows over and starts to disintegrate as we start using a new one. And I struggle with the term habit, because any habit to me feels unconscious. So the only habit I think anyone needs is to be present and do everything on purpose. Because if you are it breaks the pattern of I have to do it the right way. Because the linearity comes through with the right way I have to do this, I have to learn as you said, You know, I have to follow this structure, I have to do it this way. Well, if that structure is not working anymore, then you become curious about it. And you go, Okay, is there a different structure, and then you start to research and then you start to find that there’s other options. There’s other ways of doing it. And so, And to me, that’s living on purpose. It’s and then connecting it to what we talked about earlier with conspiracy theories is is I say, be a researcher ask questions, because that is going to forward our momentum, with our consciousness and with anything we do. So if for whatever reason you quote unquote, as they say, gets stuck, then the next thing to do is go Okay, am I operating out of out of a habitual mode? And can I change that so again, the and they may be the only habit. The other habit is when you’re operating on purpose in the present is that you’re also adapting. So each moment has its own set of circumstances that are very individual and as unique as the individual approaching them. So it’s of great value for us to recognize what’s useful there because what it’s like another example I use for being very linear is going okay, I’ve been using the screwdriver, you know, to to drew screws, but now it’s time to use a nail. Well, if you try and hammer The nail with the screwdriver, that’s going to be really difficult. So get the damn hammer and stop trying to use the screwdriver and go kind of stuff this isn’t working, it’s like, No, just fine, adapt and locate the tool become aware of the tool that’s going to support you through the process.

Brandon Handley 45:19
Yeah, I mean, I like that a lot. Because, you know, be aware that you don’t have the tool that you need for the process right then and there. Right? Like being being aware that this, this tool doesn’t serve this process. What is the tool that you need? Right?

Christian Bradley West 45:34
Well, and so like I say, on my website, if you can’t see the forest for the trees, then maybe you need to listen to the forest. Maybe you need to feel the forest, maybe there’s a different way of moving through the circumstance that you’re not aware of. Because maybe you’re not supposed to see the forest through the trees. Maybe that’s not the point. Then you then you stop doing that you go, Okay, I need to close my eyes and just feel out what to do.

Brandon Handley 45:58
Yeah, yeah. I love that. There’s another there’s another piece that I’ve seen a lot too is like cleaning your energies by leaning up on a tree, right? type? Yeah. But I mean, there’s so many, you know, so many different places to go with that. You know, you also mentioned, you know, just asking the different questions, right. I’ve recently read a book called, asking a more beautiful question. Right, and just talking about it, but and it gotten to the one point and really what I loved is, you know, talking about when you decided to become like the clairvoyant and really lean into the space, you could have done this, that or you could have chosen another path, right. And one of the questions that he had in the book, and I love it is, you know, which one of these makes a better story, you know, at the end of the day, right? Which, which one of these, which one of these motions do I take in life is going to make a better story? And he’s, like, always choose the one that’s going to have the better story,

Christian Bradley West 46:55
right? Oh, God, I think I have done that my whole life. I think I chose to do that when I was very young and have been devastated by it, but in the best possible.

Brandon Handley 47:05
I mean, you know, I’ll throw it out there. Like, uh, you know, sometimes I’ll pick like, some hotels or motels that I probably shouldn’t, right. But I’m more interested in the outcome, right, like, what happened what’s gonna happen with it when I went to one where there was like, a Stanley Steamer, you know, vacuum van in there, and it looks like there’s probably a murder getting cleaned up. Right. And, and, and when I got up into my hotel room, like the the frame of the hotel door, solid steel, and there was like, dense in there. I was like, this is just a bad idea. And I stayed there anyways. But um, you know, I was showing and sharing pictures with other people are like, Yeah, no,

Christian Bradley West 47:43
you know, I actually, I stayed in a hotel in New York, I stayed in a room that had a murder. I and I, and I had nowhere to go. I had to stay there that night. And I went downstairs and said, I need extra sheets, because somehow the bed sheet had come apart. And there was no bed cover. And the and I knew exactly what it was because I’d seen it enough. The entire mattress was soaked with blood. Kidding me it No, it was it was and it was before I had a camera phone. So it was a while ago. And But yeah, I pulled it back. And somehow and I was like, This is soaked. I say this is soaked through it. But somebody died here. somebody died on this mattress, and they did not get rid of it. Yeah, so anyway, interesting story that I really tell but you

Unknown Speaker 48:36
know, tell stories. Just say

Christian Bradley West 48:39
I was downstairs and I was like, I need to change rooms. Or we need it. I need more linens. I need something to not be so close to this mat dead mattress. And there was no other place to go. And I didn’t want to change hotels and it was too late. So yeah, cuz I’d gotten in like way early in the morning. So yeah, so anyway, so it was an interesting experience. I was like, Oh, crap, someone died on in this bed.

Brandon Handley 49:06
So so you chose the better story like I did with the good out? No, it could have gone somewhere else anything else could happen? And you’ll be like, I was bloody I left but no, you bloody

Unknown Speaker 49:19
does that you do. Um, and that’s,

Brandon Handley 49:21
that’s that’s I mean, that’s to me. I think that’s kind of like that. That’s what makes life kind of fun, though. You know, making this choice. Yeah, like, you know, I could totally go stay at the nice place and that’s okay. Yeah, this is something else like there’s life yeah, there’s life in this place right in this space.

Christian Bradley West 49:37
Try with follow your intuition people. Something says don’t go there. Don’t

Brandon Handley 49:43
know. Are you are you a follow your bliss kind of guy or you know, where do you stand with that?

Christian Bradley West 49:48
Um, I think that gets really tricky because bliss can come from judgment, sometimes what I think is better or best or superior. Sometimes people go Oh, This is better than that. And so yes and no, what I am is follow your intuition. Follow, get very grounded in your own being, and your own authenticity and your values, what works for you, I like to make it very practical, because otherwise follow your bliss can be running from one thing of happiness to the other. And I don’t subscribe. I don’t like the word happiness, happiness, to me, points to the ephemeral pleasures that we experience in this life. And that’s not to say you can’t enjoy them was to say, though, is is to constantly be chasing it is like, is like trying to constantly chase the butterfly, you will never ever get it once you do get it What then? You know. So to me, it’s about creating your bliss, not following it. So you want to create it. And there are tools, which was to do that.

Unknown Speaker 50:51
What’s your favorite one?

Christian Bradley West 50:53
Um, well, we talked about the Four Agreements earlier from what I do. Every time I got your precise moment. I think whatever works, that works for me very early on, I’m actually rereading it. What I like the most about it is I think we only need one agreement with ourselves, which is to be honest with ourselves to be and to frame it in his way to be impeccable with your word. So be aware of the stories that we tell ourselves. So to your point, I’ll say, I’ve made the agreement to be honest with myself no matter what. So if there’s if I feel a certain way, or I’m thinking a certain way, oftentimes, I’ll stop like last night when I felt angry. And so there’s a narrative here, there’s a story, I’m not being honest with myself, there’s a lie living in me, and I want to confront it, and move through it. And record. And usually the lie for me is, you are not a value, your voice is not a value. You weren’t valued and recognized by people and as a child, or you were bullied or whatever. And I still feel very viscerally that way, even though the circumstances sometimes are not there. And sometimes you can be triggered by this lawless thing. And, and some days, I don’t feel it at all. And other days I do. So I just recognize the story. And then I decide to drop it and I go, you know what, I’m the author or authority of my life, right, which has the word author in it. I’m writing this, and I want to write a more peaceful story here. And this doesn’t, this doesn’t. This doesn’t add up. This doesn’t compute anymore. And I say Thank you Next.

Brandon Handley 52:24
Nice. Yeah. So so you kind of you confront it, right? You acknowledge it, and you determine whether or not it’s serving you or not. Yeah. And if not, you’re like, you know, what is my desired outcome? Right? Peace. What

Christian Bradley West 52:38
do I want to do now? Yeah, what do I want to do now? And I wouldn’t even call it a desired outcome. Because desiring peace, to me is the antithesis of having peace, but I just choose it, right? I just say, Okay, this is I’m gonna choose this now, and not even let another story get in the way.

Brandon Handley 52:52
Right, right. What is it? The whole the lady that goes up to Buddha was like, you know, I want happiness or something like that. He’s, like, removed the I removed the want and, you know, just be, you know, happiness or whatever.

Christian Bradley West 53:05
Yeah, exactly. So

Unknown Speaker 53:07
and

Brandon Handley 53:08
then you’ve got, you’ve got some books in process, right, let’s talk a minute or two about the

Christian Bradley West 53:14
lineup, right? Well, my mentor says they’re all the same book. Um, so the one that’s almost finished is is called Zora and the songs of singularity, and it’s about a dog that becomes conscious through nanotechnology, or humans disappear. And she realizes that it’s happened because, and militant AI has destroyed the planet or created an apocalypse. And she has to confront the AI in order to save her humans. So she was like, but just a dog for him. Yeah, kind of exactly. which I love. He said that because today, I was like, Oh, I kind of want to watch the matrix again. So I love you said that. So kind of, yeah, it’s kind of a cry. It’s kind of a doggy matrix. You know, Neuromancer, if anyone has read William Gibson’s Neuromancer, which, by the way, inspired the matrix, and then we’ll crosskeys won’t deny it. And then the other than to the graphic

Brandon Handley 54:07
was that the

Christian Bradley West 54:08
graphic novel or that it was turned into a graphic novel, but it was originally I think, published in 1986. by William Gibson, it’s a wonderful book for anyone’s to read it, it really it was, it was where cyberspace was coined, he really did. And it’s about confronting an AI. But really confronting the people that want to stop it, but it’s an interesting read for those sci fi people out there. But, um, so that that book is forthcoming. Um, I’m finishing this other draft, it started in 2011. Just keep sitting it down and sending it out, and it just keeps getting rejected. So we’ll see if it’s different this time because I reframed it as a young adult, because my other two books are for adults. And I said, Well, why not have it? And as always, it has a spiritual bands. It’s about becoming conscious. And then once you become conscious, how do you use that consciousness? And then the other book, which I’m starting out as a podcast, is called here on purpose. And the podcast name is called, you’re here on purpose. And that’s the spirituality book. It’s just point blank, what my philosophy is, and I, my philosophy being that everything is on purpose. And we get to, but we get to decide that purpose ultimately, within the framework of, of all the other purpose. And so what what is a value at any given moment? And how do we embrace our own value and the significance of the now? Yeah, no, no? Yeah. Yeah. So those are the two and then I have a memoir that’s solely about my own story, because for some reason, I have to get that out of me. I don’t know. I don’t know if anything will come of that. But I’ve already I’m already a fourth of the way done. So I love it. And I think that, you know, you talked about before, like, it’s ultimately it’s about self expression. Right. expressing yourself. Always. That is I love it. Yes. That’s my word. Yes. It’s always about. You know, Rumi said, it’s, it’s not about finding the love, but I think it was me that said it but removing the blocks to it. And I feel like ultimately, what we call love is also just just expression, pure, utter, authentic expression, and we am moving toward that in her life and dropping everything that blocks that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 56:22
Let me get rid of the stuff that’s not serving you. Right. Yeah. So the podcast is coming out when

Christian Bradley West 56:30
the plan is October. And like I said, it’s it’s a devotional kind of daily or weekly. It’s not very long. I it’s just it’s just me. And some meanderings that I see people might might enjoy just thought provoking, just getting people to ask questions that you can easily listen to and 10 to 15 minutes and go about your day. Yeah. Yeah. Does that Thunder?

Brandon Handley 56:59
One of my children? Ah ha ha. like thunder, but different. Um,

Unknown Speaker 57:09
and then, uh, you know, where can people connect with you?

Christian Bradley West 57:12
So you can find me on the country clairvoyant.com my website or Christian be West? And hold on a second apparently. There’s I if I disappeared. phone call was coming through. I’m back. Yeah, so sorry, guys. So yeah, Christian be West, or the country, February’s calm Hussein website, or on Instagram, the country clairvoyant.com or if you Google or look up Christian Bradley West, you can find me very easily on every platform. Um, I’m also on Twitter. I don’t do a lot there yet. I’m kind of in love with Instagram. Mostly. Sometimes it annoys me, but I think our social medias go Yeah, I feel like

Brandon Handley 57:56
that’s a more of a authentic kind of nature to it. Right? I don’t know.

Christian Bradley West 58:00
Yeah, well, people face it, Facebook will stop messing with it. But yeah. Fair enough.

Unknown Speaker 58:08
Fair enough. Um,

Brandon Handley 58:09
any, any parting words, anything that, uh, that we didn’t cover that you feel like should have came out on this podcast,

Christian Bradley West 58:19
the source of all abundance, and is going to be gratitude. If people we didn’t talk about abundance, or the law of attraction, or any of those things there’s a lot of people get into or want to know about, and I just say, grateful, I am completely grateful we’ve had this talk is just delightful. I love doing this. And, and, and from my perspective, maintaining a state of gratitude is serves us

Brandon Handley 58:46
could talk about the word I mean, talk about that, though, is that a feeling? Is it a thought?

Christian Bradley West 58:51
It can be it can be instigated as by thought. My practice is for people. And this is a great place to end on is put your hand on your heart. And then you can think of something that you’re grateful for. But then drop that in, simply feel into the gratitude. And don’t make it contingent on something that you think you need for your happiness. simply move into it, there was a great story of a Japanese a Japanese wise woman and and and a man went to her and said I need to know how to be enlightened. And she gave him this one word that said, Thank you, I have no complaints. And he went throughout the whole way. He went throughout the whole year on this journey and it comes back to a year later and he goes I still am still not enlightened. And I’ve been saying what you’ve been saying every day. I’ve been practicing it. And she said thank you. I had no complaints and he got it. Hmm gratitude disrupts the complainer within us and and opens the way for any number of experiences to present it. Are life.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
Awesome. Thank you so much for being on today.

Christian Bradley West 1:00:04
Thank you my friend. Oh, it was so great. Thank you. Thank you.

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Brandon Handley 0:00

Or 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on with Brandon haven or otherwise known as the spiritual smart as and, you know, just talking with him right now we had some conversations back and forth a few years back. This was when I was afraid, personally to be leading with spirituality. And I was really I was admiring you, Brandon. Not me, Brandon, you, Brandon, for for, for leading that way. And I thought that was really I thought that your unique sense of humor and felt like you were doing a kind of like a fearless sense. And I’ve really admired that. So thanks for being on here today.

Brandon Havener 0:38

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Brandon Handley 0:41

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I like to start this off with like, you know, the universe creates through us, right, and the universe, you know, kind of puts us together, and whoever’s, like, you know, tune in in the podcast today and check on you and I out. They need to hear something today and it’s only going to come through you so what’s what’s that What’s that person need to hear? That’s coming through you in this podcast today.

Brandon Havener 1:05

I think the main thing is, you know, talking about spirituality and some of the shit that people would I don’t know if I’m allowed to cuss here

Brandon Handley 1:14

cannot say it’s spiritual. You know? I don’t know spiritual cleansing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:20

Yeah, so I you know, like anybody who

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:24

who finds pulled to that kind of stuff there’s going to be that fear of ridicule and being called crazy and you know, I think like spirituality and some of the conspiracy stuff to kind of go hand in hand where like some people are like really going into Oh my God, that’s crazy people have lost their mind and even your family might think you lost your mind. So you know just kind of like the conversation we had a little bit before we started recording it’s confronting you lose your you start losing old parts of your identity when you decide to go on the spiritual journey, and I really You know, I hope this episode really helps people into leaning into that or like really owning who they actually are, you know, rather than hiding in the corner and being like, Well, I have these thoughts, but I’m not going to talk about it.

Brandon Handley 2:13

Now. That’s awesome. So I definitely want to get into that. But before we, before we get into that, let’s, let’s dig into, you know, who the spiritual market as is and kind of where you are in life, what you kind of what you offer out there. Let’s dig into that a little bit. So if somebody never met you, and you could say more than five words, because we have social media, what would you be saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 2:39

I would say that my content is like a blend of comedy and spirituality. And it’s really helpful for people to move in and move into their space as messengers and speak that authentic message that converts into paying clients. But in a way that’s enjoyable. I think a lot people focus on clients. But then they get the clients and then they can’t be themselves around them. And then they’re like, oh, what am I doing? So like I really taken the blend of, do you feel good about your art? And are you profiting off of that art rather than doing business well, but feeling horrible because you’re not getting creative, or doing art, but not creating that into business because it’s not translatable into business. And I think it gets to be a both slash and conversation.

Brandon Handley 3:32

Now, I love it, right? So you’re helping people who are in one of those spaces already, right and to, for the person who’s solely like focused on business and coaching and getting clients. You’re like, hey, loosen up a little bit. This should be This should be fun for you, and that should shine through somewhere. Otherwise you look very clinical. Right? And you’re probably not having fun yourself. And I can tell it looks like you’re not having fun yourself because you looked pent up whenever I see you, right? Yeah. And then you’ve got the artists person who’s like, who’s like, I’m not worried about money and I don’t care and like, you know, there’s just like there’s like, but in the end, like if you just make help that artists person who’s who is very creative to just get over that chasm or whatever, just a little bit of like, hey, it’s okay to take money for what you do. Right? And it’s okay to profit from what you love to do. And, and and kind of merge it right. So you kind of merging those two, is that what I’m hearing you say?

Brandon Marshall Havener 4:33

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that kind of brings me back before I even considered myself a business owner. I was doing hip hop music and I was having people come into my parents basement to record and I was so afraid of charging people I was like, you know, they’re my friends or like, you know, or I wouldn’t be too pressured about charging so I would find myself, you know, working on this art and I I really think it takes away You know, your love for the art when you’re not owning your value and charging for it because then all of a sudden you find yourself doing a bunch of stuff for people for free. And, you know, you may hear the similar thing from a lot of people where it’s like, just give me your art and I’ll give you exposure that occur. And that just it really eats away at your soul and sort and you may even fall into the trap of feeling like you don’t really love your art when really it’s just the boundaries that was failed to me place there.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:35

Sure, sure. Um, yeah, tell me a little bit more about like, what you mean by by the boundaries being failed to play, sir.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:42

Yeah, so it’s like, you know, like, someone might come up to you and say, Hey, you know, do this graphic for me because exposure, you know, I’ll give you exposure and return and then you’re like, doing hours of work for somebody because it’s like, you know what they care about me they’re given the exposure or other opinion You sort of like, just got a boss for your art. And then you’re like, wait a minute, I’m not getting paid for this. I’m not doing exactly what I want to do. And I think that’s really something that people fall into. It’s like not, and it starts from like, really not valuing the art. Right? You tivity because it’s so easy for us,

Brandon Handley 6:20

right? Yeah, no. 100% right. So I mean, that I think that speaks to, like, the language that you speak, right? Like you speak your own type of language. And it’s so easy for you just like this art that you couldn’t possibly understand how, how somebody else finds value and what comes so easily you? Yep. Right. So yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s great. And you know, to understand the value that you bring to someone, and if you’ve never charged somebody for it before, you don’t know it can be an uncomfortable situation, because then somebody’s like, well, you’re just really greedy. Why don’t you you know, just give it to me. Yeah. If you’re so speaking, you know, in terms of, you’re so spiritual like, shouldn’t be, shouldn’t the energy just come to you when you need the things that you need? Right? So, I think that’s a challenge too, especially in this this, uh, you know, spiritual coaching or spiritual space. And I’ve seen I’ve seen that be said, and I was like, well, this is just an energy exchange. Give me a fucking money.

Brandon Marshall Havener 7:14

Yeah, right. I want to get paid. I mean, money was created to make things simple. So we’re not trading like fucking potatoes or apples, right? Like we were put into like, you know, obviously people have their own opinions about the system and all things but the brilliant thing about the system of money is we don’t have to do all this guesswork of what is you know what things are valued at what So, really, I tried to stay away from the barter stuff because of that because it can complicate things and it’s not to say bartering is evil or wrong or anything like that. But I just feel it’s easier. Even if we are doing some sort of trade. It’s like wait, you know, I Have an established price for the service I do but then I’ll sell you this and then I’ll buy that for even if you know like you do miss like buying from each other rather than doing a trade because then the the boundaries can get kind of murky and then you you can leave that relationship with resentment because no one was really keeping tabs on what parts of value is being exchanged not 100% right when you’re using money there’s there’s a predetermined set right? This is $1 that’s $1 you know, versus you know, give me that Apple for that orange type thing that’s just it never it never really works out and there’s always I think on one and a level of discomfort right like yeah you know still waiting on my oranges and you know the other person like they’re not in season yet bro right? So I mean that type of thing. So, so I love I love that you know you’re doing it from the side but you know what, I don’t know. What I don’t know is like, you know, how do you go from like hip hop in the basement to the military to you Being in this spiritual space. Wow, this is though, that it I was all I always saw myself as like a creative artist and hip hop at one point that was like, I would say, like right now, you know, writing content is sort of the same thing. You know, it’s like it’s putting art together and putting it out there. But what I found is in my, I was gonna say late 19th, but 19th isn’t a thing. But like, when I was 19 or so I started getting into personal development, spirituality and business. So I was dabbling in different things. And, you know, in fact, there’s some more stuff in there. I probably did so much stuff in my early 20s, but didn’t master everything out of it. But I did real estate investing and, you know, I, I did internet marketing, like I started an email list and start leasing hip hop beats, so I was just experimenting with a lot of stuff. And you know, I guess that’s good for a young person because you get to see what you like and what you don’t like. Then I realized that for I had that realization, I probably read it in a book somewhere. But I had the realization that my mind was all over the place like I wanted to go from real estate to selling hip hop beats, internet marketing, and all this crazy stuff. And then I joined the military, not as a way of like, let me get free college or anything like that, or it wasn’t even about the money because the money was actually quite horrible. But I knew that it would help me be disciplined into like, following something through to completion. In fact, I remember, like one of my mom’s friends was she she shared with me that he was telling her that he didn’t believe I was going to go through basic training. So like, that was a big thing for me to go through that grueling activity, even if it was painful and then completing completing it anyway. And I think that’s what a lot of creatives need because You know, when you’re a startup or you’re like, you get so inspired by a new idea. A trap could be when things get tougher or you know, you meet that resistance is to convince yourself, Well, this isn’t aligned anymore. So I’m gonna move on to a new craft and then a new craft, but then you master nothing. So I think the the big thing about military is it taught me to stick through something even when the resistance started getting high or got inconvenient.

Brandon Handley 11:29

I’m excited. That makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. I think it’s really interesting, too, that you got involved. I mean, how did you listen when I was 19? Um, you know, the furthest thing from my mind was like, personal development and or real estate investing or any of that stuff. You know, I was, I was partying real hard. So I mean, I think that that even indicates You know, this this what, how’d you how’d you get into it at that young age?

Brandon Marshall Havener 11:58

Yeah, I I was online I got out of like a horrible breakup. And I was the first question is how do I get my ex back? So I was looking that up and then I ended up on some guy’s email list and it just fell I fell into this rabbit hole of personal development because it’s like, he was selling me getting my ex back. But it was really uh, you know, how do you improve your, you know, body language and how you carry yourself and how do you interact with relationships? So, you know, I started becoming a new person and learning all this new stuff. And then I asked myself like, well, if I can learn this, isn’t there a way to learn how to like make a ton of money rather than going to college because this community college stuff isn’t working for me. So yeah, it was it was pretty much like one rabbit hole led to the other and that led to spirituality. I think I first heard about Wayne Dyer from dating program. I don’t know if you ever heard of pagane but he had an alias David DeAngelo. And he would talk about how to attract women. But this one program I got from him was like talking about Wayne Dyer. So all of a sudden, I’m listening to Wayne Dyer in my early 20s. So

Brandon Handley 13:15

Wow, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. So, who knows? I think like, how do I get my ex back is like the number one. Google search, right? Yeah, I think it’s like ranks up top there. But who knows? Who knew that that would kind of lead to, you know, kind of spiritual and personal development. I love I love how you kind of took on that challenge. You you you cited that kind of like a personal challenge for yourself. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 13:38

Yeah. Come on. I mean, even yoga that was promoted to me as Hey, there’s a lot of women that do yoga and there’s not a lot of men that do yoga.

Brandon Handley 13:47

do yoga. in your favor, right? Yeah, I generally favor and I think that um, you know, it’s kind of funny you bring up Wayne Dyer is actually just putting a piece together based off of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and You know, Cain dire dire like worked under him right on if he knew that like he as low like he ran into math low I forget one of his stories right and that’s kind of how he went into this space I feel right like I don’t have the full story but I do know that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a little bit more I think intended and came from like a Dyer space like Wayne Dyer space then you know how we we use it we leverage it right now for like marketing for for everything right like I you know, just like college and all these other things. But I think that you know, big part a big part of that and and even when I got out of dire is is like you know that self actualization piece right at the top of that top of that pyramid. And it’s funny because you’re talking about the you know, your base level needs right? Like I need, you know, I need my girlfriend back I need all these other things back and until like you fix all those pieces. The rest of it doesn’t matter. Like these are the things that I need my life right and until I get that then then Then we’re not talking. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:02

Yeah, a lot of people are, you know, brought to a certain level of pain and then they’re like, they just fall into spirituality somehow.

Brandon Handley 15:11

Well, yeah, I mean that that could be right. That could be I’m always on the other end of that, to be honest with you, I you know, how I kind of came into it was not painful for me, right. Like, you know, I kind of fell into it, right, like a fucking swan song or whatever, you know, like, oh, whatever, you know, but but which is why I’m always like, you know, you don’t have to you don’t have to go through like, you know, tremendous pain to like, have a better life. Right? Yeah,

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:38

I want that. I’m gonna Place Order now. My next life. I wanted to be a little more smooth.

Brandon Handley 15:44

Yeah, I mean, listen, don’t get me wrong, like you. Maybe you got into it earlier. And it was rougher. It came from me, like later in life is like, Well, yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and take that. Take that experience. So I know you’ve gone over this in one of the recent podcasts. I love To so you know if you’re working with somebody and it’s brand new to them getting into this internet marketing space I you know what she calls it just internet marketing anymore or is it marketing in general social media marketing anyways? What would you do if you were starting today?

Brandon Marshall Havener 16:17

Oh man. So what did I say on that podcast? Yeah, so like if I started today I would well first I think like the main thing is speaking a consistent message like that’s your first line of defense because you want people coming to your profile and having a reaction of fuck Yes, sir. Fuck no. Got your page in there either leaving right away or fully attracted and loving yourself like it’s a breath of fresh air. So I would start with like, talking all the crazy stuff that you wanted to talk about and not even worry if one person likes it or not. In fact, I sort of recently got into that on Twitter, because Twitter’s a new battle. Feeling for me. So I’m just like posting my craziest thoughts on Twitter and seeing if like someone comes on there and picks it up. And then the other thing is being proactive. I would really look into who speaks a message or who is an expander for you. And this is something that Lacey Phillips talks about she, she labels them expander so I’m sure she owns that word or something. But expanders are basically people in doing something that you are a want to be doing in a way that you want to be doing it and have like a similar story or you know, a similar vibe. So, I’d say for me, like one of those people would be JP Sears like he’s doing a good job of mixing comedy and spy.

Brandon Handley 17:46

Yeah, you know, yeah. Okay, I see that for you.

Brandon Marshall Havener 17:50

Yeah, so So with that, not only are you finding communities with like minded people that you can start adding into your social media. You also have an incentive. Have somebody who’s already doing what you want to do. And it’s like you building a community with some people who also love JP Sears and a few other people that you admire, like that’s just one of the most brilliant ways because you’re producing something that is on the same value level and like the energy level, but also like a similar topic that works with them, but you’re also bringing your own flavor into it. So it’s just like a good it’s a good strategy of knowing who’s going to be more receptive to your work. And this isn’t perfect, like if you’re just starting out you you’re going to evolve you’re going to change and you’re going to learn new things, but it’s realizing that market research a big part of market research is actually starting the conversation and rather what whether it’s perfect or not, like just having that imperfect conversation and and letting it be more of a test rather than taking it personal. And then I would say the method there is Like, what I was taught was like a three by three by three method. So like, find three people communicate with three different communities. So like, whether it’s through people’s statuses or their Facebook groups or whatever it may be, and just have fun conversations like, like you’re going to a party, you know, you’re not selling hard or anything like that. You’re just, you know, having fun and communicating with people online. And then add three of those people today and and engage on three posts of theirs that you you resonate with. I think I put a lot of threes in that, but

Brandon Handley 19:38

that’s good enough that I mean, it’s really good, right? But I mean, I think that um, and I can go I can go back to when I first started, right, it was a spam friend, everybody, try and get them all in your group and then sell them on your stuff, right? Yeah. So there’s a lot of missing nuances in that strategy.

Brandon Marshall Havener 19:57

I was taught to comment and like and message them right away. Right? I disagree with that. Now I agree with like, having conversations in their comments section. By the way, a big thing is that you actually resonate with the status rather than pretending like Yeah, great. I liked your dog. Right? And you actually hate dogs. But um, for sure, but like, you know, I just, you know, comment and engage with people with no attachment of if they’re gonna join my group or buy my stuff. Like, right there, I started the conversation and then you know, they’re coming up on my profile and having a conversation. It’s more of a it’s more of like a gradual build. You want it to feel as natural as possible rather than forced or like forcing yourself to introduce yourself for sure because the relationship will grow like there’s one person that I found and I thought his video was absolutely I thought his content and his video was absolutely amazing. And you know, he His he lives in DC. So that’s cool. And I thought like, hey, that could be a future friend actually. But then two days ago see I’m I’m talking about like a budding bromance now. Two days ago, He’s, uh, you know, he’s spouting off on his livestream that I win the best content of the, you know, month award. So like, right there, you’re building a relationship. And the same thing goes with attracting clients. And that’s exactly how my relationship started to. She found me in a Facebook group and fell in love with my content. I fell in love with her content. And then we went on a first date, and we did a live stream together. So awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. It’s great for building amazing relationships

Brandon Handley 21:45

now. Yeah. So I love it. Right, because again, it’s the whole spam Enos aspect of it, right. And I think Yeah, those days are gone, which is actually kind of nice, right? But you brought up the bromance part. I just want I just remembered like I met a guy, you know, when I was in North Carolina and we got together we had some lunch and stuff. He goes out What are you looking for? I was like, I’m looking for a lifelong friendship and I think you like right there. He like kind of just cut it off. Right? But But also, you kind of talk what I’m hearing you say too, is it’s a little bit like a mush. Are you a story brand? person? Have you? Are you familiar with like, you know, you date date date, you asked for marriage? Somebody says, No, you date you date some more? Yes. for marriage. You know what I mean? So you continue on that relationship. And every once in a while, I mean, you go to sell them, right, like, all right, every once in a while, I was like, here’s the line. Are we are we are we together forever now? Okay, let’s take some more. You know, is that what you’re saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 22:41

Yeah, something like that. Like, you know, like I see. I see like my Facebook community or my Instagram community, I guess, you know, people that can interact with and are like minded and who would enjoy my content, and often I enjoy their content. And then I’m open about my programs. So more like attraction marketing, where it’s like, I’m gonna put my stuff out there every day. I know, in the internet marketing rules, I think some people say I only mentioned a program one out of every 20 times, right? I kind of blow those rules out of the water. And every day I’m promoting, you know, a new program that’s, you know, that I’m doing. And I think one piece of resistance that people will think about that is, is that being too salesy, or you know, are you selling too much, and it’s shifting the mentality. One part of my mentality is if people can walk away with this content for free and benefit off of it, but then I have no problem with putting a call to action at the end of it, and telling people how they can reach the next level. And then another part of the mentality is that I’m inviting them rather than hard selling them, and it’s going to be a win win situation for them because they’re exchanging money and they’re getting an awesome service work.

Brandon Handley 23:58

Yeah, I mean, Well, listen, I don’t know how How many programs you’ve actually consumed yourself that have been free and you’re like, you know what, this one was free. I don’t care. Yeah versus versus I paid $500 for this, I’m gonna finish this shit. Huh?

Brandon Marshall Havener 24:12

Right and energetic spiritual sense. A lot of times my clients will join a program didn’t read one piece of content and then money drops in for them or same thing happens on the other end of things like money will drop in for me when I make an online investment. I think even most recently my girlfriend hired a new coach. I think it was like a 2500 package and less than 24 hours she received 2000 like just insane thing. Yeah, it’s pretty great for itself.

Brandon Handley 24:44

Yeah, and that’s pretty crazy. Kind of like once you release it, it comes right back, right. Yeah, I you know, I’ve been a big fan of recently More more recently than not is like, you know, if I if I send this money out, I’m expecting to come back with his friends. Yeah, right. And like, you know, so But that but that can be a challenge. Now, let’s talk about that a little bit too is like, you invested in yourself, like very heavily at one point. And it sounds like at one point maybe meant like too much.

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:11

But yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:12

what would you say the return of your investments have been? And was it too much?

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:17

Well, right now, it wasn’t too much. But if you if you go into the mentality of, you know, I making this investment and I need the money back tomorrow, or you’re putting yourself on an island in survival mode, that’s when it becomes detrimental. But I would even say like, the big investments I made back in 2015 is still paying dividends in my business, my relationship and all the things because it’s like, I wouldn’t be in the relationship I’m in now if I didn’t have the tools or I didn’t go to those retreats. I just want to be as awakened. I, you know, we wouldn’t be talking about the things we talk I wouldn’t be on this podcast. But where I went wrong is I played this peer pressure game of saying yes to every single thing. I was kind of like in circles of where there’s these hardcore sales bros and stuff like that, where, you know, there’s kind of like this masculine ego of saying no to investing in yourself. So I was constantly saying yes to things even and getting to a point where I was abandoning my own financial values. And there’s also a lot of lingo in the coaching industry, where it’s like, if you don’t invest in yourself, or if you don’t have a one on, you know, one on one coach or mastermind or whatever, how can you be selling coaching so I was always putting that pressure on myself to like, really amplify things to the top level and sort of like, take ridiculous leaps that that put me into situations that I shouldn’t have been in and how I would change that. is just to take it slower, you know, I would have made some of the same investments. But I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have abandoned myself, I would have said no to a lot more things than I then. I did back then.

Brandon Handley 27:14

Sure, sure. But I mean, you know, in the end, though,

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:18

you’re here now, right? You kind of meet

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:20

Mike. Like, I can look back and say I would have changed it, but I also think I don’t, you know, I don’t regret it. And maybe I want to so it’s a weird catch. 22 right there,

Brandon Handley 27:32

not for sure. Sure. I love to that you you’d mentioned that, uh, you know, you got almost as much value out of some of the lower cost products as you did from some of the higher cost products. I’m curious myself, like, what were some of the ones in the lower end? And you know, and the top end that really brought and changed

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:51

the way Yeah, I would say one big thing was actually when it was like I couldn’t do you know, I couldn’t do any high end stuff anymore. Like I’ve been I went to the brim of what I could do my capacity there and then I think it was like a it might have been a $500 course back in 2016 and it was a manifestation course and what are not only did I learn more about journaling and manifestation I also realize what I was doing with my marketing that wasn’t aligned for me so at that time I stopped booking my my days with sales calls all the time where I was stopped hiding my prices, and not saying any of that stuff is bad. A lot of people succeed with that stuff. But it wasn’t working for me like it just wasn’t. And I noticed that I was thriving more when I was more transparent about my prices, I was more open and I was using my content to pull people in. Rather than thinking I had to book a bunch of calls with people or falling even falling into the mentality that the only way out could transform lives was high ticket like, I was meant to do a lot of low ticket because and I think one big indicator is if you’re an artist or a content creator that loves content, you’re probably designed to do a lot of low ticket stuff, not just low ticket stuff, but you know, you probably are designed and you may hear a message from a lot of high ticket coaches, that high ticket is on the way cuz that’s a way that they’re selling. So that’s a big one that I learned and then later on, you know, I was going through, you know, some previous relationship turmoil with an ex, back back full circle to what started personal development, right. But I remember joining a program for like, $300 and the day a day or two after, you know, the relationship broke apart and it was it was meant to happen, but it was painful, right. And I you know, I just liked it. Myself heeling in ways that, you know, I didn’t realize I needed to do, I was like holding on to an old relationship. And it just like broke that wide open the moment I joined the program, and I wouldn’t be here today, if I didn’t go through that work.

Brandon Handley 30:16

Now. That’s great. That’s great. And, you know, I think that I’ve also heard you say, you leverage this kind of like the compound effect to it’s these small investments and even some of the big ones that, you know, even if you expect that result to happen today, like you said, right, like, come from a place of scarcity, like listen, I just dropped like 20 k this year, and I’m gonna meet all that back right now. Right? And that can be scary to put yourself in that position. But over time that the dividends start adding up that one can kind of say,

Brandon Marshall Havener 30:45

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s crucial, you know, some coaches may not agree, you know, with this message or like, wait, you can’t tell people this. By it’s so crucial not to put yourself into survival mode. And saying this has that and put that on your heart, you know, and you you’re you’re making it a lot harder for you to be creative and in manifestation mode and open to receiving and all of that stuff. So, you know stretch you know, stretch your investments and increase your capacity you know, do some of the scary stuff but don’t do it in a place of wait if I make this investment I’m not going to pay rent for three, you know, is gonna This is like three months of rent. So I really consider that.

Brandon Handley 31:31

Not me. I think it’s an important message. Right? I I you know, I hate to bring up Tony Robbins, but I’ll bring up Tony Robbins. I still remember like, one of his messages and one of his earlier tapes is he’s talking to Al Gore. Right? And Al Gore said, I didn’t lose because of XYZ and Tony Robbins like no, you’ll get lost because you weren’t resourceful enough, right? And I think that if you open yourself up to what’s possible, and you’re not going at all this stuff from a scarcity mindset, right? As in like it’s urgent this has to happen. You might find like there’s a whole bunch of different ways to get what you need to get what you want. And I’ll say this because my first my first program I took I put it on a credit card and then like for some reason like I don’t know why I didn’t think to get like a small personal loan or something which is so easy to get right and wouldn’t had like to worry and panic about paying off the debt on the credit card as fast right? So, you know, for for anybody’s out there like, I mean, listen, there’s there’s programs from $50 to you know, 25 grand, depending on your, your tastes, right. But when you’re coming at it, don’t come at it from like, you have to have that money in your pocket today. You don’t have to put it on a credit card. There’s other ways to kind of get that money as well. So I’m just gonna leave it with that right? Just because,

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:47

yeah, it

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:48

doesn’t have to just be on your credit card. Right? That’s, that’s huge, because oftentimes, when we’re stuck in our head, and we only look at it through one narrow vision, we think that the things that we want to obtain is hard. But if you allow yourself to open up your mind and ask yourself, you know, maybe even journal it out and ask the question of like, what are all the ways that I can make this happen? Then you find multiple solutions and then you you get out of your head and you realize, wait, manifesting that thing is a lot easier than I thought it was, you know, something that I noticed with me was support like having cleaning, you know, cleaning service and all that stuff. I thought that was like, I was just conditioned at a young age thinking that that’s what only rich people do, or, you know, like you it was like, super expensive, but then you just like look at it, it’s like, oh, you know, $100 or so or this is you know, this percent of my income, whatever. That’s not that’s not bad. You know, right. I think we kind of look at support as some a lot of times you look at support as something that’s unreachable when it for many people is probably reachable now and will open up a lot.

Brandon Handley 33:56

I was looking at it as if you can go spend like 60 bucks for a case study. 120 bucks at a night at the bar, like maybe if you don’t do that spend that money at the bar, you might be able to spend that like on getting a house cleaner and having these other things or, you know, maybe saving up for some of these courses or someplace that might have a benefit. Right? And look, man, if you’re going to the bar and hanging out there, I don’t care you do you right? Nothing wrong with that, because Lord knows I spent a lot of money in the bars myself. Right. So well, you

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:27

can’t be doing that

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:28

now. No, no, I mean, look, I mean,

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:31

time, hey,

Brandon Handley 34:32

it’s a bad idea. It’s a bad idea. But be it’s just like, you know, when you really look at it, like you probably do have the resources to do some of these things. You just been using those resources in other areas, right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:46

Yeah. And sometimes we kind of look at that through our old conditioning and patterns that probably our parents told us or the people that were raising us told us and we got to like take a step back and be like, wait, what’s really possible?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:59

Right? Yeah, well Hey look at me

Brandon Handley 35:00

so I love I love so spirituality right

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:04

I don’t know what your kind of your approaches

Brandon Handley 35:06

but with you know your spiritual self what is impossible what’s impossible yeah with with with spirituality is there anything that’s not possible

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:18

I guess there’s nothing really impossible you know it probably probably be tough to walk on water but shit maybe there’s a way the

Brandon Handley 35:27

right shoes will do it man the right shoes though but i mean you know so because and the reason I kind of bring this up because a man says you rise to your level of thinking right so if you’re thinking of yourself as a human being you kind of think of yourself as just what you see here right and and all these other things and if you can think of yourself as a spiritual being, you know well then then automatically like I’m no longer Am I confined to just like my tangibles, right. The things I can see, hear, touch and smell the immediate senses. So I was just curious kind of what your take is on that. the mindset of spirituality.

Brandon Marshall Havener 36:01

Yeah, I just think quantum physics is so interesting because it’s like the idea that this computer’s not solid, or I’m not like, I don’t have my arms on the table right now. It’s all just like a projection from our mind. Yeah, I think like, there’s so much that’s possible. I think we’re kind of like in these constraints in the human experience, in a way, but I think it’s all it’s all by belief. Now, I don’t know if you know, I can’t tell everyone listening to this are going to walk through a door, something like that. Right. Right. I mean, closed door, but yeah, I think there’s, I think there’s like just a lot that we don’t know. Yeah, there’s a lot available to us that we have no idea and we’re sort of like on the tip of the iceberg of what we know or what we’re actually seeing. Or, you know, like, it’s like, you know, just by human vision, there’s probably a lot more around me right now that I don’t see.

Brandon Handley 36:59

I mean, they say you you’d only see like 99 or like, you know, 99.9% of like the light spectrum, you cannot see. So it’s like, I mean, there’s, you know, what am I missing? Right? What am I? What am I not seeing? Not as curious kind of on your take there. Right? And, you know, it’s funny that you bring up those, like, you know, what we know today what we think we know today, right? It is like just barely part of it. I mean, I was literally just reading an article that, oh, today they figured out sperm doesn’t swim the same way that they’ve always thought that it swam. So it’s like, it’s like, what how do we even get here but but even on top of that, right? Do you you know, do you Brandon know how your hair grows but you’re doing it right? Do you know how like your you know, your white blood cells inside of your own body that are closest thing to you that can be close to you? Do you know how that happens? But it’s fucking happening.

Brandon Marshall Havener 37:52

And that’s the thing you know, the main thing I think about is like wealth. You know, when people look at money, we try to I think our ego really tries to figure out like, how am I going to manifest this thing? Or how am I going to do it? And it’s kind of taking a step back and having that same thought process of our hair growing. It’s like, what if I just allowed it to happen? What if I just got out of the way and let it happen?

Brandon Handley 38:17

Yeah, that’s the whole Jesus take the wheel thing, right? Or, you know, let go and let God right. And this is like, but it’s terrifying to think in that way. I don’t know if you’ve read the Michael singer surrender experiment book. No, I haven’t read that one. But I mean, it talks exactly the same thing, though. Like, at some point. He’s like, God, just kind of I just kind of let go and let the let the universe take care of me ended up like a billion dollar company. I was like, Okay. I don’t know how you just fall into that shit. But, you know, I’m sure there had to be some involvement with it. But you know, so that’s what he said though. He said he felt like he just kind of opened up and let the things just kind of carry on through so and it should be as easy right? share this with you too I got this um I ordered a you know one of those mixed up incense packs right because well should be just as easy as as breathing right I’m not sure if you had anybody ever say why should this be just like breathing for you like what it’s not so put it hasn’t been up to this point so I got this I this is not an ad this is a this is it says money matrix it’s um you know incense so if I’m burning money matrix and money incense to it is just as easy so I get myself kind of conditioned to breathing in money so anyways,

Brandon Marshall Havener 39:37

I would have been a perfect dad though you might have to get an affiliate link,

Brandon Handley 39:40

if I can find one. So so the investing itself would cover kind of the compound effect. These are all things that have jotted down for you. I’ve heard you you know, I’d love to hear some more of your influences. I heard you mentioned kind of Hicks mentioned Dyer. I’m assuming you know you you’ve read the compound effect. The book what are some other like kind of influences and spaces? That a tune in today that are helping you on your way?

Brandon Marshall Havener 40:11

Yeah, so one of my one of my mentors and you know, I’ve gone through so many of our programs is Katrina Ruth. And I really like her because she has like the rebel, the mixture of like the rebel hustle vibe, but also the deep spiritual vibe and like when I found her like, that was a, you know, some of the programs that I did that were, you know, mid ticket and stuff that I was talking about. When I found her like, I was kind of like in the mixture of the spirituality and the hustle balance. So she really helped me break some of the rules and really become, you know, step into who I am today. That was really powerful. I really love some of Matt Kahn’s work like even just going on YouTube. And he has a book whatever arises love that or everything that arises love that something along the lines of that right and let’s see what book Am I reading right now? So this is a mixture of stuff because I go for Matt calm that’s like talking about love what arises and right now I’m reading Jocko willick Hi Yeah, I’ve been Navy dude yeah and like leadership strategies so I’m kind of diving into more masculine work as well. Ryan Metzler he has an awesome podcast order of man Andy for so real AF podcast so like is you know a mixture of that masculine energy and you know spiritual energy and I like to you know, I kind of like taking on like all that stuff.

Brandon Handley 41:47

Yeah. I love that I Ryan I interviewed on like a on my father had podcast years ago so they put me in touch with him. So, you know, it’s pretty cool. Definitely, you know, definitely intense right and kind of how it does Same but you know that that’s him, right? That’s t he is unabashedly himself. Oh, at least two he believes he is today. Right. And that’s, I love that. And, you know, I want to talk about that too is kind of how you talked about, you know, doing the things that you felt like you had to do, right, like, you know, the doing, doing the different types of methodologies and reaching out but then kind of winding it back so that you become yourself again. Yep. Yeah, talk about that a little bit so people can understand it. Understand it So, sure.

Brandon Marshall Havener 42:33

Yeah, I think it’s like kind of similar to the concept we were talking about when you only find one solution with the credit card but on a personal loan, and it’s like the same thing you may hear like a bunch of coaches and people that you’re following saying, this is how you do it, your sales call, do it this way. And then you’re convincing yourself like okay, what it must mean I’m unproductive if I’m not reaching out to people every single day or whatever, right? Matter of fact, I was in the trap of thinking that content was actually just fun for me. And reaching out to people was a real work. So if I did content that day, but I didn’t reach out to someone, I didn’t do enough work. So it’s just realizing and I think it’s seeking out and being curious about, if this doesn’t feel fully right of how I’m doing it and how I’m doing the business rules, what are some things that I get to do that would feel more expansive for me? So, you know, there’s so many different methods and strategies to build business, your business or personal development in general, really, but it’s really about finding that one align strategy that works with you like clockwork, and if you’re meeting a lot of resistance behind it alignment to that it’s something that should first be questioned.

Brandon Handley 43:54

The alignment should be

Brandon Marshall Havener 43:55

Yeah, sure

Brandon Handley 43:56

that that’s happening. Um, I like I think, I think you also talks about a little bit of perseverance. So to write, like, you know not to just stop, like, you know, if, if you’re aligned, and you’re like, Hey, I’m totally aligned, and then like, something kind of pops up in a way like, ah, I gotta go the other way and do something else. I mean, kind of getting past like, I don’t know if you’re a fan or if you’ve ever read Ryan holidays, the obstacles the way. But you know, that obstacle, that thing that gets thrown up in front of your alignment may be the thing that you need thrown up in your way so that you can expand and get beyond it to the rest of your alignment, which is on the other side of that shit.

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:35

Yeah, like be able to ask questions of what else can I try? What else can I do? What would what would work here? Rather than just hiding in the corner and being like, God doesn’t work? This sucks. Nothing works. Right? Well ask questions.

Brandon Handley 44:48

Yeah. What are some questions you like when something’s not working?

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:52

One thing I’d like just I wonder what else I get to try. You know, I wonder I wonder what else would work I wonder what would Feel expansive for me to do today? You know, and journaling it out when you get it out of your head, it really helps. And that’s something that I learned. I don’t know if you you’ve read gay Hendricks a big leap.

Brandon Handley 45:13

Not got it though. Sitting on my bookshelf

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:16

that is one of the most important books, okay.

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:20

It’s the upper limit problem. And he talks about like, drift, you know, there’s so many ways that we drift, like if we get distracted scrolling our newsfeed or binge eating or whatever it may be. But there’s only a few shift moves to get us into alignment and power again, and one of the major ones is curiosity. And so it’s like getting curious when you’re hitting an obstacle. That helps shift you back into alignment. Rather, I think one of people’s go to people’s go to response if they hit a hidden objective is to be like, Okay, let me distract myself with something. Let me go on the news. Let me either thing or whatever it may be. So I’m just asking that question and journaling it out and truly help.

Brandon Handley 46:06

Now I think that’s super beneficial. definitely helpful for anybody, you know, when you when you hit that obstacle, stop, pause and be like, how else can I process right? Like, this isn’t? This isn’t in my way again, this isn’t in my way, this is the way what you know, or, you know, I like the, the story of like, diamonds in my backyard, right? Like, the whole diamonds in the backyard stories, like, you know, you travel all over the world, look over the thing that you’ve got right there in front of you, right? So, you know, take that opportunity to step back and don’t get pensive, right, like, you know, you take that gasp and like you feel like you’ve got to figure it out right now. No, you don’t. You don’t have to figure it out right now. Take a breath. And how else can you approach it like Brandon saying,

Brandon Marshall Havener 46:46

I co facilitated event with a mentor of mine while back and I remember an exercise that we did that was really helpful in a physical sense, where, you know, you pair two people together and the dots go away. To get past that person that other person’s post a block you, right, I let you get past them. Yeah. And basically what we learned from that is if you try to use force, you’re not going to get past that person or, you know, unless you know, you’ve really got violent but that was part of the exercise right? By the solution ended up being is like if you could make them laugh or you did some goofy stuff or something like that, then you could find your way around them. And that’s sort of like every problem in life. It’s like when you when you can pattern interrupt or have fun within rather than being tense and strict and or even add breaths to the situation. The obstacle starts to dissolve.

Brandon Handley 47:41

Love it, love it. I think one of the other things I’ve heard too is is that laughter which is what you bring, right? You bring some good humor and some fun, that helps people. Remember things and I’m not sure what you found in terms of how laughter can be beneficial. What have you. What have you found

Brandon Marshall Havener 48:00

Yeah, so so with laughter, there’s a few things but like with laughter It’s really, it really lowers people’s resistance and allows people to receive stuff. So instead of being all tense or combative with people, you know, you can really get a message across. If you can have somebody laughing. They may might not even agree with the opinion, but now they’re laughing. And they’re actually considering it. But I think the first thing I started about laughter and I think it was like Marilyn Monroe saying, Do you know if you could get a girl to laugh, you can date or write it or do anything or something like that. And dating was my first thing that I was working on. So I was like, hey, if I can learn to be funny, then you know, I can be attractive to women. So like, but the same thing goes with clients and people in general. Like if you can get them to laugh, they’ll want to be around you.

Brandon Handley 48:50

For sure. For sure. I’d much rather hang out with somebody who’s making me laugh and making me cry or too serious, right? So very cool, man. So I want to talk about what you’ve got running out. out there right now your current offering, which is the sole troll, Tell me Tell us a little bit about what’s happened with the soul troll.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:05

Yeah, that’s a perfect follow up for laughter So soul troll is really being able to I notice no one’s having fun on the internet like, I mean, some people are having fun but like a lot of people aren’t having fun on the internet. We’re having

Brandon Handley 49:17

fun with them. They’re getting fucking cup of it. Yeah.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:20

Like he’s hypersensitive times and all that stuff. So I really want to bring that back where people can tell the truth, make people laugh, have a good time and speak the message that they really wanted to in the first place. So, you know, I think down more than ever, is it’s important to speak the truth, even if it’s uncomfortable. So doing that in a fun way. And somebody actually messaged me about soul troll the other day and she was asking me, like, about a situation where a woman was upset about something she posted that might have been offensive and she was walking on eggshells. So like something else that I’m bringing with soul troll is going deep. into when are you actually responsible for offending someone and hurting somebody? And when is it somebody projecting on to you? So it’s like, being able to balance being fully expressed without feeling like you’re harming or being an asshole in the process.

Brandon Handley 50:17

That’s fair. I mean, look, I mean, I think I think a lot I think that’s a huge benefit, right? So we don’t want to run around and be a bunch of, you know, bag of dicks, right? That’s, that’s not not most people. That’s not their intent. Right. Want to go out there? Give some value and have some fun, right without hurting someone. Right, you know, you know, too bad anyways, right? Yeah. Don’t want to rough them up too bad. But have some fun. It sounds to me like you’re building some resilience is Isn’t that right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 50:46

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s like the more and more that you put yourself out there then you realize it’s all fun like for me. I know like canceling people is the thing and stuff but like for me if someone a group of people got mad at me, I have fun. Little bit. I actually wanted in some way but that since I desired so much, I think I’d pushed that away. I don’t think people want to cancel me anymore. So I don’t

Brandon Handley 51:11

know man. So really I had a lot of fun here guys. I think there’s a anybody’s listening to this. I think there’s a lot of value in Brandon and what you’ve brought here today. And thanks for sharing. I you know what I did want to touch on this last piece right was it’s like, I don’t think we’ve touched on it in the podcast, which is like coming from a place of spirituality, and how scary that was for you and what, how did it open up for you after you started leading with spirituality?

Brandon Marshall Havener 51:38

I think it was scary for me in many ways because, you know, wondering if a family was going to think I was crazy or friends and peers. So that was it was something that I had to lean into and and deal with the judgment or I think one big thing is having a stable job, like so is mixed with entrepreneurship. And I remember my dad was kind of pushed trying to push me into being a like an electrician or something which is fairly out of the rubble what I would do good. So I think a big thing that I had to do was stand up to that even saying, like, No, I just want to do this coaching thing and maybe have them feel like I’m a weirdo or I’m out of my mind for a minute by like detaching myself from my parents expectations or my family expectations and go in my own way, even when people don’t believe in it.

Brandon Handley 52:29

Yeah, that’s, that must have been tough, too. Right? attaching from that feeling. So I think that’s super important for people to hear and understand. It’s like, you know, kind of go your own way right. Letting Go. And you said it earlier to was kind of be open to kind of everything but attached like nothing type of thing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 52:46

Yeah. Right. A big thing was having a job too. There was like shame and not having a job. When it was going full time into business. It was really helpful having a mastermind that like everyone was like, Hey, you know, actually yeah. You know, like, cuz like all my life people would be like wager quitting your job. Why? So that was really helpful as well.

Brandon Handley 53:07

That’s great. So where should people go to find you?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:13

You can find me I’ll say two things. Sorry I offended you podcasts. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, Google, whatever else it’s on. It’s on like 50 like 50,000 platforms but uh or you could also go to spiritual smart ass, read calm and find my social media links and current programs and stuff like that.

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:35

Who’s your ideal client?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:37

My ideal client is the artist that is the artist, the rebel. You know, the people that want to break the rules and the people who want to express a unique sense of art and maybe they didn’t feel like the rules made sense in business for them, but they want to put they want to apply that to business. They don’t want it to be a hobby. They want to be respected as a business owner. While also respecting their own creativity.

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:04

Awesome, man. Thanks for joining me

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:05

today. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

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