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Have you ever thought that you could become a better version of yourself using numerology?
Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing a lot, but
nothing seems to work out. People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity
every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you need to set in place things that you believe in and focus on them
rigorously.
In this episode, we are joined by Craig Wright where he talks about his experience with
numerology and spirituality.
Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your
hands-on it.
Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full
episode:

  1. Understand the different ways numerology can have an effect in your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of spirituality and numerology in ones life.
  3. Learn the significance of numerology in daily lives.
    Episode Highlights
    [01:41] Freewill & The Self
    · Each of us has a contract with our creator, which consists of the gifts that we receive
    and the promise that we make.
    ● Craig talks about numerology and free will and how it leads to different things.
    ● Everyone knows what it is like to be numero uno but every number has a meaning of its
    own.
    [08:11] The Start
    ● Craig talks about how his journey began and explains his ‘Wake Up Call.’
    ● He also talks about his set of realizations from when his best friend died and how he
    found himself.
    ● “Why am I here?”, “What is the meaning of life?” are some of the many questions he
    began asking himself after the demise of his Best Man.
    ● He talks about the book “In search of the third eye” and his journey of discovery from
    there.
    [17:53] Levels of Acceptance
    ● After Craig discovered himself, he became his first client.
    ● Craig talks about how he ditched being a pilot and get out on this spiritual journey which
    further expanded into numerology.
    ● Craig discusses his analogy of the number four.
    [29:09] The Journey
    ● Craig talks about how things didn’t work out for him in the beginning but everything
    started to fall in place once he started reading.
    ● He talks about how he started receiving information from the universe and the hints to
    help people out.
    ● Talks about how he ventured viral and started as a numerologist.
    [35:00] Making a living
    ● Talks about how he started his services out as a labor of love and used to give seminars
    where no one showed up.
    ● Today, he successfully runs workshops, teaches at a local community college, and
    creates curriculums.
    [42:50] Cultivating Yourself
    ● The mind is very eager to see and the universe puts things in place for you.
    Powerful Quotes from the Episode
    “There is a difference between figures and numbers.”

About Craig
Craig Wright is a native of Baltimore, Maryland where he studied religion and philosophy in his
youth as a member of the Baltimore Ethical Society. He holds degrees in Psychology and
Metaphysics. He is an Ordained Metaphysical Minister and a Certified Metaphysical
Practitioner.


It was the tragic death of a friend in the summer of 1972 that prompted Craig to search for the
meaning of life. This began his study of NUMEROLOGY. After many years of personal research,
Craig went public in 1988. This was the year he met Rev. Hazell Cassell and was invited to be a
guest on her radio program. Craig’s presentation on Numerology generated so much excitement
that people began to ask him to share his knowledge about this fascinating science. The
momentum has continued to grow. Craig’s services have been sought nationally and
internationally. He has served as a resource to several Human Service Agencies by conducting
seminars and workshops. He has a wide array of clientele who consult with him regularly on
personal as well as business matters.

Connect with Craig here: http://www.craigewright.com


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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, well, let’s get on that. And 54321

Unknown Speaker 0:07
Hey, there’s

Brandon Handley 0:07
spiritual dope. I’m on today with Dr. Craig. He right. He’s a native of Baltimore, Maryland, where he studied religion and philosophy in his youth. As a member of the Baltimore ethical society. He holds degrees in psychology, and metaphysics. He’s an ordained metaphysical minister and a certified metaphysical practitioner, we’re going to talk a little bit about a story is how you got there. So I’m gonna leave that out. But one of the big things that we’re gonna be talking about is numerology kind of how you went public with your story, you know, the radio show that you were on for quite some time. And just unless we’re gonna talk about, you know, the, the journey. So Dr. Craig Wright, thank you so much for being on here today, how I like to start these off is with the idea that you and I are here, connecting, and sources, you know, kind of put us in this time in this place in this space, so that a message can flow through you to somebody in the audience today. What does that message just come through, you

Unknown Speaker 1:12
know, that message would be, each of us has a contract with our Creator with source doesn’t matter what name you use, God has 1000s of names depending on the culture you’re from. But each of us has a contract with source, and that we are giving gifts. And we make a promise, the contract has come out composed of gifts that we received, and a promise that we make, and that information is is available, because it shows up in the numbers and our birthday, in the letters in our lay.

Brandon Handley 1:53
That’s powerful. So it’s interesting to me. And of course, the first thing that comes to my mind is we were talking you know, we connected online and you mentioned like this show to be on the show. And one of the first things that kind of comes into my mind though about numerology that i i think that you know, some of the naysayers, right would say, Well, if it’s all in the numbers, is it all predetermined? Right, or, you know, what happens after? You know, you give me the some numbers? Is it fatalistic? Is it something else?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Well, no numerology does not rob us of our free will. For example, if you’re born on the first of any month, one of your gifts is leadership. Everybody knows that number one. So you could be an engineer, you could be a pilot, you could be a fashion designer. But whatever you decide to be using your free will, you’re going to be the cutting edge, and you’re going to be the best at it. So the number one will reveal your creativity that you’re here to be an originator, not an imitator, you’re here to lead not to follow. And more than likely, if you’re born on the first 10th 19th or 28th of any month, you’re going to have opportunities to become self employed. Those are the number ones. If I may, at this point, it’s important that we realize there’s a difference between figures and numbers. If I hold up a pin, and I say I have one pin, that would be a quantity. In this case, number one, this is a figure a quantity. But if I look a little closer, and I say big pins are number one. Now I’m no longer talking about a quantity, but a quality, at least in my opinion of being the best. So everybody knows what it means to be numero uno, but every number has a meaning or every number reveals a spiritual quality, a spiritual quality. So getting back to your question. No, it’s not fatalistic. For example, it’ll tell you, hey, it’s springtime, time to plant but you can plant that is tomatoes, okra, corn, whatever you choose. But you don’t want to plant in January. What is freezing? So that’s the benefit of numerology.

Brandon Handley 4:25
I gotcha. I gotcha. That makes sense. So I want to I definitely want to talk a little bit about your journey into this space. You know, it kind of happened, right? You got a new tragic death of a friend, your best man for your wedding, if I recall correctly. Yeah. And and yeah, let’s just talk about an area. You know, let’s talk about kind of how that hits you. And what you did, how that how that kind of spurned your journey.

Unknown Speaker 4:54
That was my that was my wake up call, if you will, for my call. to spirituality. I showed a propensity for math and science when in seventh grade, my parents decided they were going to have an engineer in the fam. My mother was a schoolteacher. So I was never out of school, math, science, every program, summer school, anything having to do with math and science. I was there. I was preparing to become a jet pilot. I wanted to fly jets with the Navy. By the seventh grade, I knew every jet they own. I knew what what armament they had, what caliber machine guns, they had, oh, I was prepared to become a technocrat. I didn’t I wasn’t a believer. At that time. If you couldn’t measure it, quantify it. I was able to, to we say figures, not numbers at that. But when my best friend was from a drug overdose, Brandon and I didn’t even know he was using. So they told me a lot about myself. I was too self absorbed. I wasn’t paying attention to anything around me. And it also told me that it started my search for life, I began to ask those tough questions. Why am I here? What’s the meaning of life is going to be this arbitrary? Take me now I don’t want this pain anymore. And I gotta tell you, that happened when I was 21 years old. And I’ve never really had a allow myself to get that close to another individual since then. But what did happen was, I begin to pray for the very first time, and I begin to ask the universe, why am I here? What’s the meaning of life? And the answer came back to me in a form that I would understand. I just was in a state of of yearning and wanting to know, and I heard a song that was on our radios, it was called in search of the Third Eye by a man who just play some of his music won won the Super Bowl this year. Roy airs. So this song mystify me search for the third eye, what’s that all about? The lyrics were sequence of numbers can be found secrets of wisdom can be found. So this was before Amazon and Google, it took me two years to get a copy of that book. After both are bought the album, read the cover, took me two years to get the book. But once I got my hands on it, it was called in search of the Third Eye by various family order. And this was a book the artists read, who compose the song. So I’m reading the book now, on one from the song to the artists to the book, in the book was talking about the secrets of numbers. And I discovered, I was a number seven. And that the purpose of my life was to study the meaning of life and share it with others. I was like, oh, my goodness, that’s what I’m doing. So I realized that there is no greater love that a friend has this is how I rationalized his passing. Because Scripture says there’s no greater love than a friend later in his life. So I said, Okay, I’m gonna change because of his passing. And I started going to the Library of Congress, reading everything I could get my hands on, about the sequence of numbers. Now you can go to the library and find 20 books on the shelf. There’s even a there’s even a numerologist for Dummies. But back in 1972, if you want to read about numerology, you had to go to the Library of Congress and study the journeys of Protagoras, how he went to the Mystery Schools in Egypt and study with the Masters there, who taught using the oral tradition. And then he came back and shared what he learned. And the Greeks became famous.

Brandon Handley 8:56
And I love that as it’s, um, you know, one of the one of the quotes that you one of the things you’re referencing already was something that I believe you found from Pythagoras, right? was the idea that there’s a difference between figures and numbers, right? Yes.

Unknown Speaker 9:12
And

Brandon Handley 9:14
I know you’ve already kind of illustrated so yeah, absolutely. Right right now on touch touch of the finger, you know, you know, you sent me your book and an email right, I was able to read like numerology information, touch of a finger. I can go to Amazon and I’ve got something on Kindle instantaneously. Yes, I go download like these great, you know, these great mysteries and, you know, moments as soon as soon as it comes to my mind, but what I think is interesting so far, right? Is that here’s this, you know, arbitrary song that plays, right, this strikes a chord for you, and sets you on your path.

Unknown Speaker 9:54
Yeah, amazing, right? sequence of numbers. This The only way I could have, I could have even accepted the concept that there was a higher being and that it was influenced my life in any way. And it was a tremendous wake up call, you know, and it came to me, not from some guy up on the pulpit in a in a yellow suit. Gallery, right. It came to me through my own research. In a call a discovery, no one else knew what I was doing, or what I was, when I was pursuing. It spoke to me, it fed me in a manner that I was ready to receive through numbers. It was the only way in for me.

Brandon Handley 10:49
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right? No, I also gotta imagine like Baltimore. You grew up in Baltimore. Was it the city proper? Or was it the suburbs? Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 11:00
grew up in Baltimore City.

Brandon Handley 11:01
Yeah, yes. I mean, you know, city city proper. It’s no doubt like, especially in that time to that. It’s really a good idea to run around and talk about being spiritual, right? Especially as a male, right, and it’s right, and in that city environment. And then, you know, the scientist, you’re not even just spirituality or things, you know, easy. Or, then now you’re throwing in numerology tonight, you’re like, Well, does not just spiritual, but like, let’s, let’s, let’s do numbers, too, right. And I think that that can be, you know, that can that can throw people off to I imagine, just

Unknown Speaker 11:39
did

Brandon Handley 11:40
levels of acceptance, right, you know, what, what people are willing to accept? And and, you know, so

Unknown Speaker 11:46
very true. That’s very true.

Brandon Handley 11:48
So when did you become a pilot?

Unknown Speaker 11:53
No, after my, my discovery, after my friend passed, and I discovered numerology, I became my first client. And I began to, instead of going to the Air Force is setting engineering, I went to seminary, I went to the seminary. I thought that was my calling. But what happened was, once I got into seminary, I discovered, there really wasn’t a search for God there. They had already done the surgeon and everything figured out, they wanted to make sure you were saying the right things before you could get their degree.

Brandon Handley 12:34
Yeah, that’s I think that’s the challenge to have spirituality slash religion, right. I mean, that’s, I think, one of the one of the reasons for spiritual dope, right, the podcasts? Because, like, let’s, let’s have a conversation about spirituality that isn’t previously dictated to us as whether or not this is acceptable or not. Right. Exactly. And so you found you found that they were just trying to dictate to you, you know, here’s the right way to say it. Right. Is that is that kind of what exactly,

Unknown Speaker 13:05
that’s exactly right. I was getting good grades, because, technically, my, my writing skills and my, my research was spot on, they, they could not deny what I was saying, I was finding evidence of reincarnation, I was finding evidence of numerology how every time the number 40 shows up, for stands for order, and zero is a symbol for God. So every time a number 40 show up, God was establishing a new order, 40 days and 40 nights of rain, 40 years of wandering in the desert. And each time that number precipitated a tick or change, that God was bringing a new order, so that I was getting good grades, but I was very uncomfortable there. Because it was like swimming upstream. So

Brandon Handley 13:56
one second real quick there, cuz I’ve been, I’ve been on the number 40 for like, years now. I’m like, what, because it’s always showing up, just like he said, I’m like, there’s gotta be something, right. Like, there’s got to be something because there’s 40 days, 40 nights, there’s, you know, the, the whatever, but I also call it to age, like, when we turn 40 like, there’s a massive shift, right? Like, you know, there’s a massive shift and kind of who, you know, a lot of us are and and i think that you know, 40 is illustrated in my take on 40 has always been like, you know, these are the signals like it doesn’t always have to be the ages and years but also kind of what you know what you’re saying there’s numerology, numerology there, but in my mind the most well, that’s just like the signal like age 40. Like, you know, you’re gonna ask, I’m really serious, right? Yeah, something’s gonna change in 40 days and 40 nights, you know, be ready, you know. So that’s really interesting. Thanks for thanks for sharing that. It’s been on my mind for literally a few years now. So thank you.

Unknown Speaker 15:00
So my body was I called a picture. That’s right. That’s spirit, isn’t it? That’s it. That’s it. So for us, they asked for order. If you think in terms of Adam being one is being too with one or two fit together, there’s tears, there’s three, right? So you can’t have a kid crawling around. So you put them inside the playpen, so forth sided figure. So you have some order you get your work done.

Unknown Speaker 15:24
is great.

Brandon Handley 15:25
Yeah, I love you know, so one of the things I love about, you know, finding and establishing a pattern order, and you’re doing it with like numbers, you you, you begin to, you begin to apply it anywhere, right, you get a you get a certain kind of set of knowledge, and now you’re able to apply it and in so many different facets, that without any of that knowledge, you can’t, right. So you know, that’s

Unknown Speaker 15:48
exactly right. Yeah, especially that number for the 40 minutes, when it comes to a home, fixing, mending and repairing. So whenever my clients contact me with an address, like 2102, number 1921, apartment B, I always tell them to avoid a house with the number four, unless they’re prepared to do a lot of work on it. And a lot of renovating it, keeping it a

Brandon Handley 16:16
you know, keeping it a casino because it’s a good one to keep in mind as I’m in moving to my next place here shortly. So I’ll keep in mind that to keep the number four out of the equation. For sure. So, you, you know, you took this kind of, um, you know, even at the age of 21, coming out of Baltimore, young excited, man, I gotta imagine, like, you know, even spirituality, right, like, that’s still tough grab. And so you follow through seminary and into what just trying to follow the journey?

Unknown Speaker 16:51
Well, seminary didn’t work out too well, for me, I just, I was just there one semester kereta a 3.7. But um, after that, I started going to the Library of Congress and studying on my own, studying the information that I was being called to. It was just fascinating. He was like, it was food it was, it was the answer. It was what I was looking at before. And it was telling me all the questions I had while I was here, what I was supposed to do, and I was studying it and learning from it. And after a while I started getting clues from source to share. I will be in a checkout line. And I will see someone’s name on their on their name tag. And I will hear information. If I read in a computer, I will hear information about I can’t hear you information about it. I’m gonna share a little later, but this is how it started to happen. And and I wouldn’t, I didn’t know what it was, I was afraid. So literally, I heard a voice tell me you have the gift of discernment do not wish I had to go look it up. I didn’t know what this tournament meant. So I had to go look that up and say, Okay, I’m going to be getting some information from from what I’ve been studying now. Now I’ve reached a certain level, now the university is going to start using me. So my heart’s pounding a little heavier. Yeah, because it’s not only about me, I’m being asked to share information. So eventually build up enough confidence to start doing that. I would tell someone Whoa, I know, you’ve been waiting for money a long time it’s gonna be it’s gonna be in your mailbox. You know, things like that, you know, in the checkout line, or whatever, way fast so nobody would know who I was or anything like that. But I had to come back the next day was to buy some milk, but it was Hey, how did you know that? You arrived I was there. So that’s how the birth started getting about this guy knows about now but so people started contacting me. And I didn’t I didn’t know what to do. I didn’t have any services, anything like that. I just share information with you. So

Brandon Handley 18:54
so you know that two things. Two things there right? Well for I love the idea, right? Hey, universe is gonna start using me right? Like I mean, just so you set yourself up as a as a vessel, right? You set yourself up as a conduit and we talk a lot about like, you know, receiving we talk a lot about tuning in and all that kind of thing, but it sounds to me like you just you know you you allowed right and and you let it he let it coarser you so I think that’s pretty cool. And you know, second part, like you’re talking about right now, just thinking you didn’t we didn’t have what we’ve got right now. You couldn’t you know, your credit, you couldn’t go back there and spin out spiritual dope back then. Right? Because you had like a street corner like maybe unspiritual dope was that corner that block, you know, so? Yeah, tell me a little more about the time.

Unknown Speaker 19:52
So I’m continuing to listen to the radio station. It was it was a College Station Morgan State University. Radio where I heard the song in search of the third. So I’m continuing to listen to the station. And a lady comes on the station a Reverend Hazel caselle. And she has a radio show. So he is teaching classes about spirituality. I said, Oh, I needed to learn some more about this. So I went to visit her. And I’m talking to her about a class. So I’m getting ready to leave her office. And she says, aren’t you going to tell me about your gift? I didn’t say anything to this lady about numerology or any special gift. But she has psychic abilities. And she says, I’m seeing numbers around you. You haven’t said anything to me about it. So I gradually came back to the opposite said to and I started sharing with her what it happened, what my experiences was. So see if I knew her or her radio show. So okay, I’ll come on your show talk about numbers. So people calling in giving their name and their birthday, I’m doing readings over the over the over the air. And at the end of the show, she gives out my phone number. Well, I guess I was kind of naive. Now I expect to give out my number and my website. But not this first show. I’m just sharing my gifts. And she gave out my number brand. And people started calling me my phone off the hook. I had to go back home and create services. Well, this will be a reading and I’ll call this a forecast and to meet the demand that that that people wanted to know. And that’s how I got started. Yay, a numerologist I did not plan it. I had never heard of it. It just happened and I really feel like it was my calling. And and that is why I’m here to be of service to God to share information about about these numbers man is so fascinating. And so complex yet it’s it’s all around us. Right? It’s like we come with a owner’s manual. Like when you buy you buy a new gift or you get a any type of product. You open it up it says here’s the owner’s manual read this first name on our birthday. We’re totally blind to it, you know? Sure.

Brandon Handley 22:05
No, no, it’s Yeah, that’s you know, he was always walk around be like, well, we didn’t come with an owner’s manual. Now you’re telling us that we do. So they have to dig into that. Right? Well, I was asked to dig into that. So, you know, you’ve been able to sustain through numerology is my question, then, you know, have you been able to kind of like make make make your living out of out of this practice?

Unknown Speaker 22:30
It’s interesting. It started off there were no, okay. No, it was a labor of love. Like I said, I didn’t reach out to start a business. It was only people contacting me for my services, and my hallways was was doing something else with this was sort of like a vocation. But as time has gone on, when I was 21, I eventually I ended up having a show on sa radio show that I would say radio station, I was listening to doing a numerology report. So over time, I would give classes announced workshops, nobody would show up. Nobody will show relevance place. Zero. But now, yes, workshops. been teaching at the local community college. One of the people heard my show in a radio was a program director at a community college in Baltimore County in the asked me to create a curriculum to teach numerology and make it available. That’s true. Things have really changed his math, t 72.

Brandon Handley 23:49
A couple things, a couple things have changed, for sure. Things have changed.

Unknown Speaker 23:57
I love how you say things like that. I told you, I was picking up things for you too. And what I picking up is global, a global impact. That’s what I’m picking out that. I don’t know if you can translate your show into other languages. But I’m picking up your impact is is going to be global. And people from different cultures from all around the world are going to start tuning in to your show. And and what you write new habits. I know you didn’t tell me you were an author or writer. But I’m showing up and picking up your writer is something you write has a potential to go to the big screen.

Brandon Handley 24:36
Mm hmm. Well, I don’t know what I’d write that would go to the big screen. But you know, there’s still plenty of time. You know, I love the idea though. And thanks, man. It’s really interesting. I was just talking to talking to somebody this weekend in New Zealand to get connected with somebody else who’s you know, got some global initiatives and here’s the thing Being able to have that conversation. So, you know, yeah, like, I got like little goose bumps and like, my hair is rising up over here. So on the different cultures, right, that’s what this is about. It’s, it’s, it’s not about, um, it is about is exactly what it’s about those different cultures if you look at if you look at the graphics for spiritual dope, you see, you know, Jesus figure there you see Buddha there, and my original one had a, you know, Shiva on there, right. So it’s just kind of like, you know, we’re all saying the same things we’ve all got, you know, how do we light this fear up within us? How do we how do we, how do we honor it? Right? I think that’s one of the first how do we recognize it? How do we honor it and how do we allow for it to bloom right, what do we do to cultivate ourselves? Right and and nurture that and and share it, but now so so thanks, man. That’s it. So is that is that done through numbers or just straight vibing?

Unknown Speaker 26:02
Well, I think straight vibing led me to numerology. I’m listening to the song doing the research on pursuing holding a my consciousness because I believe the mind is so opposed to see. And what we’re co creators with the universe. sparks from the big flame, if you will. And by holding it in my mind, it just manifested that book. That book showed up in a bookstore in house and there was only a business for a year and a half.

Unknown Speaker 26:32
That’s crazy.

Unknown Speaker 26:34
Okay, universe put that stood there for me, right. But yeah, I think i vi, to numerology, but after that, I just began to study it and apply my skills, my technical abilities. So there’s so much they give me their birthday. And I can edit out real quickly, because I’m used to formulas and things like that. So math does math doesn’t frighten me. So I can look at an a tag editor, convert the letters to numbers and give someone a reading within seconds just because of you know, the, the pathways, the mental pathways I created by studying math and science. I didn’t know I’d be applying it this way. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:19
You never you never know how it’s gonna strike. Right? So real. If this is okay, you know, so it’s my wife’s birthday. Next week. Can we can we do her? Do her numbers? Yeah. So. So what do you need the whole year, month, date and year? So March 16 1974.

Unknown Speaker 27:43
Okay, Okay, awesome. Eat number in the birthday represents a gift. Okay. Then if you add it all up, you have like the ultimate gift. So I like to think of it as a contract with creator in these closets. The first clause is the number three. And the three is a symbol for expression, and you singing, painting, dancing, writing, anything artistic, decorative, colorful, is also a symbol for abundance, because the story of the Christ is about the number three, he was taught by three wise men. And there’s a lot of other references, but we know he arose on the third day. That’s Easter, I left a lot of about for the sake of time. But when asked Massa, why are you here, he says, I’m here to have life and have it abundantly. So the three stands for abundance. So your wife gift is to always appear younger than she is. If he’s in a room and children are there, they will be drawn to her like a magnet. She’s extremely creative, in terms of her artistic talent and ability. And you may have channels getting a word and once he starts to communicate, because threes are expressive, okay. Now, I’m going to skip her day for a moment because her year is also a three. If you add one plus nine plus seven plus four, it adds up to 20 119 is 1074 is 1110 1011 is 21. Are you with me?

Unknown Speaker 29:25
Because I’m tracking?

Unknown Speaker 29:27
Absolutely Did you add two plus one, that’s also with Ray. So he’s got a double dose if everything that I shared with you about the number three, full abundance, social activity, mixing, working with children, being an artist creative, seeing the penny dancing, writing a double dose of that. Now her date of birth is a seven, one plus six is seven. That’s the number of face. On the seventh day God rested. So as social as she is There’s going to be times she’s going to be by herself. It’s almost like what happened? Did the cloud come over to set on? Where she go? Right? What what? Because it’s the exact opposite of the number three, which makes her social. So her rhythm will be to introspect, and then to project to interest, fat, and then to project because the seven makes her a minister, does it matter? She goes to school, where’s the row? Seven is the number of faith. So she’s a mountain mover. Okay? She’s a researcher. That’s my number. The number seven so sees a researcher and analyst or thinker, does he take things at face value? Oh, she goes deep. She is the reason why you are walking that straight line. If I write about the man, Maria, number seven female, okay, you don’t have to worry about being going astray or doing anything wrong, because she’ll sense it before even comes to your mind. My wife was a number seven. So I can’t even dream about doing anything. I mentioned you might be a writer, your wife is definitely around this. About the book, hobby. Okay? hobby, okay, this is your second letter as a two, oh is a six because the 51 five or six, that as the 14, a K is to the left of ladder. One plus one is two. So the word book vibrates to the 16. So when you see the 16 Not only is he a researcher, but she has the ability to communicate it. So she’s writing has a potential to write lecture travel a share her expertise. I don’t know what her expertise is, okay, numerology does it, box her in. But that seven tells me whatever she does, she’s the expert, a people will seek her out for her expertise. It also tells me she’s so creative. Her main challenge is to follow through. To follow through completing projects is going to be a task. Because her creativity, so delegating is important. Now let’s add it all. Okay, so that those are the clauses in her contract. Craig, real quick,

Brandon Handley 32:32
I lost her picture. Can I get you to come back? Oh, sure. Sure. I

Unknown Speaker 32:36
don’t know what happened here. These are the gifts that God gave her. Okay, that I just shared with you, the creativity, the mental ability to analyze. So if we add it all up, is three plus 16 is 90, which tells me as a numerologist. She left the house as a child, she got out of the house as fast as she could. It was quit out of there, man. And it was someone in their family who tried to keep their keeper under their thumb. But she said find them because that spot her originality and her leadership that brought it up. But I digress. If we add 19 to her a year, which is a 21 guess what 19 to 21 add up to Brandon

Brandon Handley 33:23

  1. Is that right?

Unknown Speaker 33:28
42? The number 40 see

Unknown Speaker 33:31
that crazy number, right? Well,

Unknown Speaker 33:33
you’re right, plus 16 plus 21. Three plus 16 plus 40. So your her death is the orderliness of God. So he embodies it to wherever she goes. That’s the energy that she’s taking with her. So people are going to call her mean stubborn and strict.

Brandon Handley 34:00
I mean, I don’t know if they would say to her face,

Unknown Speaker 34:04
probably a bad idea.

Unknown Speaker 34:07
Also, as a number 40, when you guys have entertainer has gas, after they leave, you will find her going around the house, putting things back in their place where they belong. So orderliness is very important to the number 40. As his eyes are numbers, he’s probably extremely good with numbers. Well, she

Brandon Handley 34:28
will tell you, she’s not but most you probably, you know, it’s one of those things right? It’s what you tell yourself. It’s what you tell yourself, right?

Unknown Speaker 34:36
That’s the number four. The fourth book in scriptures is called numbers. So people four is always concerned with measurements and things like that. So you get involved with numbers when you do research and studies and things like that. So right. And I will also share with her that this year was as a 223 is going to be a year of said numbers. 1923 is 42. This is a number six year for her. And number six year, so she’s going to have a chance to use her creative talents, skills and abilities this year, she couldn’t have a chance to join with others in some goodwill projects, they’re going to be reaching out for her to to work together in a goodwill project. And a lot of people do get a new home in a number six year, so the focus is on the home, and the six year domesticity the whole community, in your relationship

Brandon Handley 35:46
towards fun, right, that’s a lot of fun. That’s, that’s great. So thanks. Thanks for doing that.

Unknown Speaker 35:50
It is a love vibration.

Brandon Handley 35:54
Well, that’s awesome. So you know, so you kept at it, and you feel like, you know, what was it like, I guess and you know, kind of communicating this as your primary path to like your friends and family? And how long did it take you? So how long did it take you? You know, to? To even feel confident to do that? And were you scared to do it?

Unknown Speaker 36:17
Well, with my immediate friends, I went to right away after losing my friend to that drug overdose. I wasn’t taking any chances on quoted back any information that I now have revealed to me about them, because I knew that he burned things. So I started sharing information with them. Many of them were receptive. But some of them ran away, they became afraid not because the info meishan wasn’t accurate. But because the information was accurate, on and they felt. And now before they were invisible, now I knew everything about them. So people started running away from me, not because it wasn’t true, accurate, but because they didn’t want to stand in front of an X ray machine. Sure. For sure, but then there was also the other side of the coin. And people thought I just lost, I thought I just lost my mind and flipped out. And that what I was doing was actually something demonic and evil. So I took that this spirit said, what do you what do you have me doing here? Look him, he told me this. This is where I’m supposed to be doing. I’m trying to share it. So spirit told me I wasn’t ready yet. I was, you know, going off too quickly. That to continue the study. And when the time was right. God told me he would bring his leaders to me. So it wasn’t a type of thing where I could get on a hit a brass, hit the symbol and advertise and put it up in the lights come to me Come to me. I had to be patient and wait in study and to be prepare to prepare myself for the time when God was going to start sending people to me. So that’s what I did. I just zipped it up, it started studying. And the people who found out about me found their way to me. I had prepared my services now. And it wasn’t a a wide stream of clients. But when they came I was I was ready for them. And I knew they were leaders, right? That they were leaders and it hasn’t changed. You are a global leader. The name brand is a number 32. And that’s America’s birthday, July the fourth 1776. And the number 32 shows up in all of America’s leaders in George Washington’s bow total. And Barack Obama has showed me showing up in your first name. The number 32 is called the ruler of all nations and people. And because I studied that, that’s how I know you’re going to have a global impact. Hmm. So this is why you’re starting to meet people from other countries. And sooner or later you will have a network all around the world because that’s that’s what you came here. That was your contract. Promise creator that you would impact the planet. So you may not be telling other people that’s your goal. But that’s that’s pretty much what the universe has planned for you. Your last name Handley the valtos a number 13. So I want to talk about that people are so afraid of the 13 branded, they won’t come outside on Friday the 13 people are terrified, for sure and for good reason. The 13 is all in Nothing is an all or nothing type vibration. And what it stands for is change, release and transformation. So it does mean death, but not how we think of it. Because we are spiritual beings here for a temporary spell, what we call it death is simply returning back to our original state. Sure, is the transformation. So the 13 stands for change, release a transformation. And when it shows up in your name the way it does for you, it means you came here to be part of the transformation that’s taking place. We’ve heard songs about the Age of Aquarius. Well, by golly, we’re in it.

Brandon Handley 40:46
Where are you? Yeah, and you know, I’ll throw it out there too. I am an Aquarius to say,

Unknown Speaker 40:50
wow, you

Brandon Handley 40:52
know, I’m all in right? Like, I mean, do I need any other signs? There’s something that I’m missing. Change,

Unknown Speaker 41:02
right? It’s transition. So when people meet you, they’ll be transformed. The 13 is represented by the butterfly star. So calling around is that with wings fly, save energy save manager now, but also the Phoenix that goes down in flames and then rises from the ashes. So people should never count you out.

Brandon Handley 41:33
That’s I mean, it’s great. Right? I love I love both of those. Both those symbols, right? We always we always look at you know, the caterpillar. And then you know, going into its cocoon, and just totally eradicating what it was before getting into a big new mass of goo. And then coming out like this beautiful thing, right? So always love that. And same thing with the same Yeah, Phoenix is always a great story to write down to the ashes and reborn again, and into something more beautiful than it was before. And you know, as they say, powerful, but you know, powerful than more, you know, but maybe, maybe, you know, it’s funny, I just shared the quote, that, uh, that kind of speaks to how I felt like upon like, my awakening, if it were as it were, right. I was like, I don’t know what this power is. But I know that I’ll figure it out. Right, I’ll work towards figuring understanding it right. And that’s me, just kind of right. The the Phoenix has probably always been that capable, but it wasn’t until it was down and out that it’s got to strike forward and search for it and, and come into its own power.

Unknown Speaker 42:45
Awesome. Awesome, man. Awesome. So most people, most people give up at that point. Most people, they, they check, you know, they turn to different escapism where they just hold on and go through that pain. You know, it’s it’s the old Coke is the old say, but no pain, no gain, you know, is this what you grew up? A farmer has to break up the soil before we could plant a seed.

Brandon Handley 43:18
No, hey. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I see that 100% the other thought, you know, and this is recent, recent one, the mean just just a quick exchange of of, you know, quotes and whatnot and thoughts on this. But there was, um, there’s a lady that I listened to system or her meditations and, and just talking about pain as as a as a gateway to the divine, right. Unless we unless we allow ourselves to actually feel that pain and said that we continue to most of us shove shove pain away, right though I don’t want to touch it, it hurts to keep that away. But if we go ahead and accept that pain, and feel into it, and we realize the power that’s within that pain, and I don’t know if you transform it or just feel it right and be okay with it, but a pain is also a gateway to the divine. And so I recently just kind of you know, that did it hit me. So what are your lines here and Craig, this has been awesome. I’m really enjoying it. And I know that you know, the audience will as well. But I love the line that you’ve got on on your website says I use my gifts to help I use my gifts. I use my gifts to help my clients understand themselves as spirit by journeying within we can discover a higher self higher purpose and divine well. Now is that from scriptures, that’s something that you kind of came up with on your own just a curiosity there. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 44:39
I notice that something I came up on my own just over over time over the years people asked me the question, you know, we do was was it about was it four? Right? So that’s, that’s what I came up with. I realized that, you know, the body is a temple of the spirit and we’re We’re not physical beings, we have an occasional spiritual experience, the awakening is oh my goodness, we’re spirit inside this this vessel by hand. So with numerology, I’m able to enable to share with people who they are in terms of spirit in terms of energy, so they can see themselves that way. because very few people will come up to you and talk to you in those terms. You know, they’re talking about What school did you go to what car you drive when you work, you know, how much money do you make, but not what’s your contract with God? What do you do earn your body to when you book your trip?

Brandon Handley 45:41
No, no, that’s absolutely, absolutely. And so, you know, one of the things that, actually, so I mean, it’s almost like, here’s a UPC code on everybody that walks by, right, you got like, you got a scanner, they listen, let me tell you about you. First of all, these these ingredients are, you know, anyways, the idea is that to you know, in your book, you spell it out a little bit. It’s not just to learn kind of numerology to figure out who you are, and just your kind of divine contract in your book, you also illustrate how you can determine relationships that, you know, beneficial in you know, you know, in matchmaking for sure, and like, you know, kind of find my next significant other, as well as you know, how things will work out at jobs or what what are good job fits, maybe give me like one or two scenarios, I know you listed out for my wife, Meg, you know, the number three, or was it number 16? Number, the book and being able to be a writer? What’s like,

Unknown Speaker 46:49
like, what’s your date of birth?

Brandon Handley 46:51
My date of birth is 125 1976.

Unknown Speaker 46:56
Okay, so you’re also a seven, your wife is born to 61 plus six is seven. You’re the 25th to plus. And it just so happens. This is crazy. You are both savage in compatibility. In my book starts on page 77. By case you

Unknown Speaker 47:29
I’m going to share with you what it means when two sevens, okay? to service. Now, this is in your day of birth sector and the day of birth and the compatibility report. Is the canvas for the relationship. No, it’s not. It’s not a it’s the weakest energy really, when you’re doing compatibility. Like if you go look at two artists, you go to a museum, look at a painting, you know, but the canvas is important, right? Canvas is important.

Unknown Speaker 47:56
So

Unknown Speaker 47:57
here’s number seven, and number seven compatibility, and my book is on page 102 sevens. Silence is so much peace exists with this combo. On the seventh day God rested. So there’s silence, there’s peace, there’s non verbal communication, there’s no way without even speaking, okay,

Unknown Speaker 48:19
we’re definitely there.

Unknown Speaker 48:24
This could be a couple who miss as hermits, or older friends or civilization and blissful solitude surrounded by nature, she herself is likely to be away from it all. Very spiritually inclined to sevens. But who’s going to pay the bills, if both are lost in the world of thought, see that we got

Unknown Speaker 48:51
that we got that from

Unknown Speaker 48:55
very eccentric unit, with each being absorbed in their mental interests. So that’s a couple of sevens there, right? When added up your wife’s month, day and year, it added up to the number four. Now that’s the most important number in a compatibility chart, the sum of the month, day and year. So for you, it was 125. There as of the 26th. So your gift is leadership. The number one, everybody knows that. I talked about faith aspect of, of spirituality being a researcher and analyst or thinker your year as up to 23 1976 is a 23. Okay, this happens a lot. I start I have one in kitchen and spirit kicks in. I don’t know why the camera keeps going up. Spirit is telling me to share this with you on you’re going to have a business and have an opportunity to hire your family. That’s showing up family entrepreneur. vibration shows up in your chart. But I digress. This happens a lot. I have an intention, but something come in from the

Brandon Handley 50:09
universe. Where does that where does that where does that come from? Is that coming from a number or is that coming from a vibration?

Unknown Speaker 50:15
It’s coming from the number, your month is a one in your year is a 23. Okay as up to 24. And that’s called the family entrepreneur vibration. Okay? The family entrepreneur vibration, of course, is showing up in your chart, starting your business and hiring your family. So as I said, I digress it off, this happens in the house, I have an intention, the universe will say okay, while you’re open, share this. I wanted to share that with you. So your mother today is 2424 25 is 49. So not only do your your birthdays match, but he’s a 44 plus years for your 44 plus nine is 30. There’s a 13 again, right one plus three is four. So you match not only do your days match, but when I have your muffin here that matches man when you when you took one look at her the earth must have shook

Unknown Speaker 51:26
there’s no doubt in your mind because you guys. So for for for what does that mean? I share seven seven nonverbal communication. Two fours both are very fixed in your point of view, and somewhat stubborn for us. Okay. Okay, realized material conference and business success. This is a workaholic combo that might put too much energy into working in building.

Unknown Speaker 52:09
Right not have fun. Yeah. any conflicts will be around budget or time issues. Because four is orderly. So there’s budget and time issues. Here, he should have their own bank account. This is a great business combination. So if you come to me seeking advice, as a couple, that’s what I’ll be telling you. Right. Now other when it comes to time, and budgets, because it was about keeping the trains in order, making sure everything is growing. I’ll tell you about the number four. You see when a plant a new tree brand, and they put spikes in the ground with that Robert wanted to hold it in place. Yes, sir. Before energy. Right. To the left, but it gets a good root set. Right? goes up tremendously. Education, pending it without those bikes, right. The tree is saying you’re stubborn, you’re me. You’re strict, even though you’re saving the tree lives, right? When people are complaining about you being stubborn, or mean or strict, that’s when you know you’re on your job.

Brandon Handley 53:43
I’m here, I’m here, sir. And I’m doing my contract. I gotta

Unknown Speaker 53:47
make sure whatever gets off the ground. It manifests because God created Earth on the fourth day on phase commit the physical manifestation under your energy, Brandon. So were other people have ideas and dreams. You had the ability to make your dreams reality.

Brandon Handley 54:11
Well, thank you, man. That’s, that’s, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. That’s a ton of fun. It really is. And I know you do so much more to I didn’t even go over all your credentials for the audience putting out just just so everybody understands this, you know? You’ve got Reverend Dr. Craig he right PhD, right PhD in metaphysical counseling metaphysical science metaphysical science. You know, Minister, metaphysical practitioner, so, you know, this isn’t obviously it’s not news to you, right? And you’ve actually taken the time to go and and to an actual school and get, you know, educated in this material, whereas you probably you know, you probably didn’t need to you probably found out most of the stuff or a lot of it on your own But you, you put forth a lot of extra effort. So I really appreciate you reaching out to me and being here today on the podcast sharing just a small amount of what it is that you do. And even this, this whole conversation has been very impactful for me. And it’s been a lot of fun. So, you know, if somebody else wanted to reach out to you to get this kind of service, where could I send them to, to connect with you?

Unknown Speaker 55:27
Well, they could visit my website, and they could see all the services that are available to them. And that website is www dot. Craig he right that, that c r AIGEW rI ght.com.

Brandon Handley 55:48
Awesome, Craig, thanks for being with us today.

Unknown Speaker 55:50
Thank you, Brandon.

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In this podcast, we interview Kurtis Lee Thomas, Corporate Mindfulness Trainer, and the book’s internationally bestselling author, The World is Yours, The Awakening – The Secrets Behind the Secret.

Starting, Kurtis gives a message to the listeners of the podcast, “Whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first.” He also talks about the universe and the power it holds. 

Next, Kurtis explains breath-work as a healing mode and the process of dealing with emotions, stress, drama, trauma, and the emotional intelligence of dealing with things. He also discusses his experience with breath-work as compared to numerous techniques that he has tried. He explores the spiritual awakening concepts from his 3-D world and how to get a bigger picture of this world. 

He talks about his best-selling book, which he wrote after going through some unhealed trauma. 

He also talks extensively about the art of manifesting and the fact that we need to know what we want to achieve. 

Next up, Brendon and Kurtis talk about the factors holding us back. Self-sabotaging by focusing on what we don’t want and holding on to something from the past that we don’t need. Then they continue to discuss breath-work and letting go of things. Kurtis says, “you need to let go if you want to let in” and explains how stored emotions create stories. 

Kurtis discusses going from having zero spiritual experience to actually experiencing everything in a span of a month which then led him to research for 10-12 hours a day. He talks about his experiences from the spiritual world, the law of attraction, and cosmic consciousness. 

He then explains how the earth is not our home but our mission and continues with the power of breathing and its techniques. He explains how when you breathe full, you are living your life to the fullest and when you breathe shallow you are living a shallow life. 

Moving on, Kurtis talks about the idea of letting go of things and how it all comes down to comfort. He explains his idea of negative energy having consciousness and the greatest fear of its being destroyed. 

He then goes on to talk about how we live in the age of anxiety and the idea of this population being scared of the future. 

Next, they talk about the game of integration. Kurtis talks about the learning from Buddha and Jesus and integrating knowledge into this 3-D form of life. 

Towards the end, they talk about Kurtis’s experience with fatherhood and the blessing he had to raise a daughter. Ending the podcast, they discuss Kurtis’s new book.

Podcast Outline:

[00:00] Introduction 

[01:06] One message to the listeners

[02:53] Talking about the present

[06:06] The technique of breath-work

[07:54] Introducing breath-work into regimes 

[10:28] Self-sabotaging and holding on

[14:30] The power of breath-work

[16:07] The wakening experience 

[18:40] The significant personal experiences

[24:20] The power of breathing

[27:40] Letting go

[31:16] Breath-work and anxiety 

[37:15] The game of integration

[43:05] Fatherhood

[46:00] The new book: Breathwork Detox: How to Thrive in the Age of Anxiety 

Connect with Kurtis on Insta: https://www.instagram.com/manfromthestars/

Transcription below is machine generated:

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:06
Oh, man, you know, I will say every year, I have like one message, one mantra that I live by. And, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, their spiritual dope I’m on today with Curtis Lee Thomas. He is a corporate mindfulness trainer and a number one best selling author of The World Is Yours. The secret behind the secret. The book has been seen in the hands of mega influencers, like Oprah Winfrey, Tony Robbins, Steve Forbes and Kanye West. Curtis is the founder of breathwork detox and just released his new book titled How to thrive in the age of anxiety and curse before we even get started. Man, I want to what what is your what’s your Instagram?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:36
handle? Man from the stars? What’s that all about? Man from the stars?

Brandon Handley 0:41
Yeah, so

Kurtis Lee Thomas 0:42
I am, you know,

Brandon Handley 0:43
I love it. I love it.

Unknown Speaker 0:44
I love it.

Brandon Handley 0:45
So, before we get started, how I like to get these going is Look, man, you and I are creators, right? And the universe creates through us and creates moments delivers messages, yada, yada. There’s only one message that can come through you right now, at this time for one of the listeners, what is that message today?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 1:18
I’d say the first rule of karma states that whatever you want for yourself, you must do for other people first, you know, so that was like a big realization, you know, for me, and like, I was looking for a mentor, like I wanted, like, this billion dollar, you know, big business mentor to help me you know, you know, build my success. And I sat there and looked in the mirror. I’m like, you know what, I’m not even helping anybody. I’m not mentoring anybody? How am I going to expect to attract that if I’m not even willing to do that for somebody else. And then, so I agreed to bring somebody on, as soon as I started mentoring somebody, boom, the mentor popped in my life. So it’s like, you know, we all want we all want why, but like, you know, learn to like, learn to use the natural ebb and flow of the universe and to, you know, give and receive, you know, we got, you know, a left and a right hand, and we get a take as much as we were willing to give, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:09
that’s great. I mean, it sounds like, sounds like you get what you give.

Unknown Speaker 2:13
Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 2:15
and, you know, I love the idea of you know, you’re you’re big in law of attraction, if I’m not mistaken. Obviously, you know, we’re talking about the secret a little bit today. If you look at the idea of like, the tourists, right, the tourists in the field, right? And like how starts off kind of small from the inside. But as it goes out, boom, it gets bigger, and it comes back to like, no matter what, so like the universe’s force multiplier, am I right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 2:40
No, yeah, it is. Yeah, like magnetic beings, man.

Brandon Handley 2:44
Yeah. Well, so let’s, let’s, I mean, let’s start off with me a little bit, a little bit more about, like, where you’re at today, and then we’ll just kind of talk about how you got there. Right. So you just finished up, like, this new book on breathwork. And, and you’re, you know, you’re leading the field by doing like, even corporate training with breathwork. Let’s talk a little bit about not that what’s going on there.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 3:06
Yeah, man, just I just found breathwork to be, you know, literally, like the most powerful healing modality on the planet right now. You know, and through my own journey, you know, I’ve done a lot of stuff, you know, many things that were, you know, invasive, you know, like, combo, you know, putting frog poison inside of us. So you can projectile vomit out toxins, like does pretty invasive, and then go into the jungles and you know, drinking Ayahuasca for, you know, seven days, you know, seven times in a row and within nine days, like some intense stuff, and, and, you know, other modalities, healing modalities, like ozone therapy, and like, you know, pretty still biohacking stuff. And like when I found breathwork, like it was the secret sauce, because I had a five year stomach issue that doctors could not tell me what was wrong with me. I’m talking dozens of doctors, and I went to one breathwork and eradicated my stomach issue. And to the point, I was flabbergasted of like, how that was even possible. And then I hit me, I’m like, wow, the reason why these doctors couldn’t tell me what was wrong with me, is because my issue wasn’t physical. It was energetic. It was emotional. And you know, and this was at the time where, you know, I’m holding on to a certification for life coach, hypnotherapy, NLP, Reiki Master, like I have all these, these tools. And still, I was never taught how to deal with emotions, you know, how to regulate emotions, how to, you know, release the suppressed trauma and all the stuff that we all have from childhood, then, you know, we didn’t have the emotional intelligence back then to learn how to deal with it and started becoming compounded because it kept coming in. But we were figuring out how to deal with the old stuff. And I was one of those people and I got messed up. And you know, it started messing me up physically. So, you know, to me, breathwork was the Trojan horse. Like I actually was taken executives and see To the jungles, the drink I Alaska because I love to give people an experience and I want to give people their results that are immediate and undeniable. You know, and in, you know, I Alaska does that. But it’s you know, you got to take time out, you got to go to the jungle, you got to get a shaman, but breath works like the Trojan horse, you go in there, just say, hey, let’s breathe today, you know? And then these have these profound cathartic releases. And you know, you got dead metal tryptamine Yes, accreting and people are like, you know, dreaming while awake and having these epiphanies and realizations and healing traumas, all from breathing. So I’m like, okay, the world needs to know about this man.

Brandon Handley 5:39
No doubt. You know, I recently, within the past, probably six months, maybe the past year, right? Because I can’t I can’t understand what happened with the timespace contain with 2020. The breathwork, right. You showed up in my life? No, first, you know, I think most people right now. It’s like Wim Hof The Iceman. Right and his story. And then um, you know, another place that it showed up for me was, and I was actually a little disappointed I’m not gonna lie I looked at you know, you listed out these breathworks need to add one is the Japanese breast called like hora h A Ra. And I was reading this book by like, you know, some German dude. And then next thing I know, I got a buddy of mine who’s who’s just started doing some breath work and, and I had my hands out, I was like, just like everything else, right? Just like everything else, right? Like in this self development phase. Now, I’m cool. I’m gonna be good. I’m gonna be over here. I breathe in pretty well, my entire life. I don’t need what you got, right. But what happened was a buddy of mine. You know, he’s like, I’ve been going to the saint is awesome. I was like, Alright, I’ll fucking go. It’ll be fine. And I went, and mind blown dude. I’m like, Mind blown. I don’t have I lost experiences. But I had plenty of other like you call them evasive experiences, or? We’ll call it that and plenty of them and many different varieties. And the beauty of this, this breath work that you’re talking about is just that right? It’s clean. And it’s comes from breathing. Exactly.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:16
Everybody’s everybody’s holding pain, how we all

Brandon Handley 7:20
first, sir, for sure. The breath works pretty amazing. And so you were already kind of out on the, in the front end of kind of like this exploratory space, though. With your life coaching with Reiki and the doing the law of attraction, right?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:41
Yeah, yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:44
Just so you know, bring that up, because you’re kind of already out there in the forefront and having these conversations so what happens like when you when you when you start bringing breathwork to it?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 7:53
Yeah, well, I realized like, once, you know, my whole first book, The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret was all about awakening, spiritual awakening. And, you know, it could help anyone at any level, you know, awaken, awaken from their slumber of what’s really going on in the world, you know, the 3d world, the spiritual world, it kind of just really gave a good breakdown of the overall bigger picture. And I realized once you start waking people up, you know, the next thing, they’re like, Okay, I’m awake. Now I can see all my stuff my lights turned on. Now, what do I do? I mean, like, life isn’t all peaches and cream, after you wake up. And I was like, wow, we can always people up and you know, their lifes are better. You know, they’re there. Because, you know, when you wake up, you start researching crazy, go pretty much insane, you know, for a good phase of your life. So I’m like, I need to come up with a tool. And of course, like, you know, I didn’t, I found it through my own pain and suffering and, and then I found that tool. And that’s why I wrote the second book because I was like, it was meant to be like a gift for all the people that I woke up Okay, now, here’s how you can like work through all the traumas and stuff and you know, in in the crazy information that you have to disseminate now that you’re awake, and but I did realize something like I realized some super important and powerful from teaching breathwork for the last decade, I’m sorry, I’m teaching the law of attraction for the last decade, and I realized that the majority of people self sabotage their manifestations. And what I learned is that you know, I really don’t have to teach anybody how to manifest because they’re already manifesting. Everybody right now listening to this in this very moment you are manifesting the mechanics are

automatic.

I can remind you that you get to have some clarity you have to remember and know what you want because what you want is up to you but how and when you get it is not okay and then you got to be able to you know, be able to feel the will see the visualizations of it. If you can’t see yourself achievement achieving that, then who else can and then if you’re able to see yourself achieving Then you’re able to feel the emotions. And that is what activates it and sends that beacon out into the universe, you know, and then you have to become aligned with that and take some sort of action that’s going to give, you know, be the breadcrumbs to you achieving what you need to achieve. That’s the mechanics of it. We do it every single day, the small things and big things. But the reason why people say I want this, I want this, I want this and they’re not getting that is because they’re self sabotaging. Now, they’re doing that for two reasons. One, they’re focusing, they’re really focusing on the things that they don’t want, instead of the things that they do want. And we just kind of do it naturally, because our brains are hardwired that way. And I read a study that said, you know, 80% of our thoughts, humans are negative in nature. And 98% of our thoughts every day are the same thoughts we had the day before. So we’re on this shitty hamster wheel, recycling these crappy thoughts every single day. And most of it is worry, doubt fear, lack scarcity. And we’re focused on the things we don’t want to happen. We’re not tapping in to the vibration, of visualizing and feeling the feeling of already achieving and having what it is that you want. That’s the secret. It’s easier said than done. I get it. But why is that the wise important? Why do we keep doing that? And it leads me to the second thing, and that was the game changer as far as manifesting. And what I learned is that people are self sabotaging because they’re still holding on to the junk, to the old limiting beliefs to the old trauma to the past breakups to the partner screwed them over all the stuff that they weren’t given the tools of how to emotionally heal and to let go and forgive. Yeah, we know forgiveness is the root of all healing. But How the hell do you forgive? Where’s the booklet on that? You know, it’s like, I didn’t learn that stuff. And it wasn’t until breathwork that I realized, wow, I’m my own healer on my own everything. And that’s what I want to do. I want to empower people to do the same because that breathing technique goes into literally every Nadi in your system 72,000 Noddies in your system, and clears out all those emotional blockages. This is why you got a roomful of 100 people in a breath work, and you got 85 of them breaking down in tears. I don’t care who you are, how bad acid you are. I’ve done this in prisons, I’ve done this for NFL players, I’ve done this for war veterans, you get the baddest people on the planet, you show them this breathing technique, they’re going to break down. And they’re going to do it gladly, because it’s stuff that they’ve been holding on, that’s just so heavy that you just can’t hold on to no more because it’s weighing you down. I mean, it’s it’s literally blocking your manifestations. And once you clear out all that stuff, I know you’re able to land or take off, like think about it, we all want to take off somewhere, but you cannot take off the you know, those people will not let you take off unless you clear the runway, you know, air traffic control would not let you take off unless you clear the runway. And if you try to land somewhere in life, then that runway has to be cleared. You need to let go so you can let in. And what happens is when that junk still sitting there, you know, occupying the space that you’re the good stuff wants to come in. Right? What does that airplane do? It starts circling it circles, it circles until the runway is clear. And that’s why we feel like we’re going in circles and we’re on this hamster wheel. It’s not because the the why the reason why people are self sabotage is because you got to let go of the stuff that’s blocking the way for the good stuff that you want. That’s it, release and let go.

Brandon Handley 13:33
Who cares? I work so hard for all these, you know, emotions and all these things, right? This is my story. You know, this is this is, uh, you know, I am this way because of the breakup, I am this way, because, you know, he kept all my CDs, I am this way, you know what I mean? So,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 13:53
let me say this off of that, that is important, and what you what you’re hitting on, and it’s the cause of it, actually. Because you know, and the reason why people don’t heal isn’t because of their biology. It’s because of their biography, the same bullshit story, they keep telling themselves over and over again, you know, even if it’s true, that’s what’s weighing them down. That’s what’s holding them back. And, you know, stored emotions create stories. And when we learn to get rid of those emotions, the stories go with them, and we learn to get rid of the stories, those stored emotions go with it. But I realized, the key with the breath work is it gets the emotions out. And then the stories come up and you realize that bullshit and you stop saying them and you create a new narrative

Brandon Handley 14:42
in your life. That’s awesome. So you get I mean, you know, through through the power of breath work, you’ve got a kind of a release mechanism, a recharging mechanism. And, you know, if you did it right, then you know, your head was supercharged. Right and And, you know, you kind of you got these visualizations and you haven’t experienced that. Even if you’ve done iosa even if you’ve done copious amounts of shrooms or anything else like that, in your life, this experiences is wholly different than that, right? And it’s, um, not a big one to say, elevated, it’s an elevated experience, though, right? And, and all senses of the word because again, it’s something that you just did just by breathing, you elevated your whole sense of being just in that moment, right? And, and you super, super, really got past your stories and your bullshit, right? And again, um, so you know, what I’m really curious about, though, too, is you talked about your awakening experience, right? I think that what’s what’s kind of interesting about these awakening experiences is that they can happen at any time in your life. And it sounds new, you’re younger than me. But that doesn’t mean like, you can’t, you can’t have that experience, right? It doesn’t matter how old you are, you can it can come at any time. So I’m curious to hear kind of about what your awakening experience was. because like you said, when you have that you’re like, I gotta go figure out what just happened to me. What just happened to me, and they like, you got to go learn so much stuff, right? Like, alright, well, this, you know, it’s totally real, because it just happened. right to you. Right? And so, tell us a little bit about that. And then like, you know, kind of what you did to get your, your sea legs back, right.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 16:33
Man, I’ll say that I had the most because I’m a very stubborn minded, Capricorn logical, analytical, so the universe had a knock me upside the head in every direction. And I went from having zero, you know, spiritual experiences, nothing like that would ever stand out. And within a matter of three months, I had every single spiritual experience you can imagine. And because I believe that they happened all at the same time, it caused me this, like, shattered my world, my reality, my life went upside down. But really, I later found out it was turned right side up. And I started researching and, you know, luckily, I had a little money saved where, you know, it shook me so much. I didn’t work, I think, for that for the rest of that year. And I was researching literally, probably 10 to 12 hours per day, every day, while I was getting headaches and migraines, it was pretty bad. And, and yeah, I became obsessed, because I have that obsessive, you know, personality. And when I need to learn something, it’s like, I got to go all in. And at the time when I was when I was awakening, which is probably 1010 years ago. I remember searching stuff on YouTube. And I searched at all like all the spiritual alien, weird stuff that was there. I got I consumed all the content, literally, all of it, where I was waiting for people to post I had notification I’m like, like, when’s people going to post like, I’m searching for that I couldn’t find the information. Now, today. I mean, I’d have to live, you know, 1000 lifetimes to be able to watch all the videos that are out there.

Brandon Handley 18:11
Yeah, no, amen. Man. I mean, I saw I saw on your pictures too, like you’re hanging out with Bruce Lipton. He was definitely part of my, you know, experience of like, hey, I’ve got to go out there and learn everything, all the all those all of his videos, and all that kind of content. So what would you say? Like, what were some of those specific experiences that if you could share any of that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 18:35
Sure. I’ll give me like the top the top one. So, you know, one was, I had no idea about the spirit world. And my brother had passed away, and it was sudden, nobody knew who did it. It was a homicide. And I ran into a psychic. And she, you know, I didn’t believe in psychics at that time. And long story short, she connected to him, I had a conversation. I didn’t, I was very skeptical, then all of a sudden, I’m like, Whoa, this is him. Like his personality was coming through. He was telling me things that only only me and him knew. And I was like, wow, like, how does this How is this all possible? And then he told me like the like, What happened to him? You know, and who did it? And it was pretty wild. And you know, Nobody. Nobody knew. And I was the only person that then you know, had this conversation. And then two weeks later, they ended up catching the people that kill them. And it was the same names he told me in the session. And I was like, What in the world? Like, how is this possible? So now, I’m like, want to learn about like the spirit world. So that was like one part. And then you know, I I started learning about the law of attraction, I read the secret. So now I started becoming more empowered. like wow, like my thoughts can really turn to things like oh yeah, this happened. And then the universe shows you more synchronicities and some weird stuff started happening and then The railway stuff started happening where I started astral projecting. So at nighttime was like, I didn’t know your soul can leave your body without dying. Like, nobody taught me that I didn’t read that in the manual. And I started having those lucid dreams. And then I actually seen a UFO, several UFOs. And then I learned about something called sci fi, which is Close Encounters of the of the fifth kind where these people from around the world, they’ll go to undisclosed locations, and they’ll call in extraterrestrial ships. And I’m like, this is a thing, like, like, Where’s the How much is it? 300 bucks take my money, like, I just, I’m going like, even if it’s like, just to prove myself. And sure enough, Bro, I went to this training in Joshua Tree. And there was a three day training and every single day the ship showed up. And I was like, wow, is this not in the news? How I was not people talking about this, I got a cool little certification, C five, certified basler that I you know, I don’t think I can show that to too many people. But like, This all happened in like, three months, you know, it’s like, and so now my life is like, completely. And you know, what, and I’ve mentioned the ET thing, because what really happened is when I when I saw the UFO, you know, it was like, from one moment to the next I was changed person. Because what happened in my brain, if I can articulate it is I was like, wow, you know what? Anything is possible. Anything is possible. And like I realized at that moment, oh, this is why this is the most top secret thing in the government that they don’t want you to know is because if people knew the truth about ETS, it literally expands your consciousness faster, and more efficiently than any other truth that I ever had. It’s like you just shattered this glass ceilings. And next thing you know, you got cosmic consciousness. So I started to stop thinking in 3d. And earlier you asked me, Why do I call myself man from the stars, is once once I started researching and understanding the totality of who I am, why we’re here, what’s really going on the you know, the greater narrative of galactic history because, you know, people whose there’s people out there still believe Christopher Columbus discovered America. I mean, the guy was given a map that was already drawn out. And when he got there, people were already there. So How the hell did we buy this when we were kids, you know? So it’s like, they don’t we don’t even know. And if you look at the history here in the United States, and you go to China and Russia, you’re looking at completely different histories. You know, it’s written by the victors. So forget about we don’t even know world, US history, nevermind world history, forget about galactic history. And what I learned about it is that, you know, Earth is, is not our home. It’s our mission. There’s a lot of light warriors, you know, in lightworkers, who came here with a very specific mission. And right now people are stepping into their power. This is why you’re here, this is why you have this podcast, this is why you created the space. This is why you have these listeners, this is why we do what we do. And it’s been culminating and building up to something bigger,

Brandon Handley 23:04
which is right around the horizon. And, you know, this is this is why we do what we do. Now, that’s powerful, right? It’s great that you say that right? When you when something is shattered, right? And the illusion of something shattered like that, then that opens up a whole bunch of other possibilities. It just says, Well, if that’s not real, if everything that I’ve been told up to this point, you know, in this one moment, this is a pretty big moment for you. And if that’s not real, then your mind blown, right? But the the other part of it, too, is what you do right now with the breath work. You don’t even know how to breathe, what else have you been doing wrong? And that’s the thing that you do every single day of your life. Right? I mean, that’s, I mean, that’s Sorry, I got to it that it sort of was like I was like, we’re not even breathing, right? I mean, when we’re not.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 24:00
When you say that, it’s literally like, like, we actually do something called paradoxical breathing. So like, if I have a room and I’m teaching like 200 people in a room and I say, Hey, everybody on the count of three, you know, put your hand on your belly, put your hand in the chest and the count of three, everybody take the deepest breath, and they everybody goes through that. And you see all that chest fills up and not one belly moves. But guess what, if you ever watch a fish or dog or a baby, if you watch them breathe, when they take a breath in, the only thing that moves is their belly. Hmm. And that’s how we’re supposed to breathe, posted, breathe through the diaphragms and, and hit that power center because the belly is where 80% of our serotonin is produced, is where 80% of our immune system, you know, is so it’s like the two things we crave the most is what held that happiness, right? And it’s located in the guy without even breathing in there. And we actually do it on purpose. Subconsciously on purpose, if that makes sense, is because the stomach is where we house our emotions. And so what happens is we store a lot of trauma there. So people subconsciously don’t want to breathe into that area because they don’t want to feel the pain of life. But what happens is, when you do that, you also stop the pleasures and the joy of life. And that serotonin production in your immune system, and you know, we got to breathe full, because when you breathe full you out, you live a full life. And when you breathe shallow, you’re living a shallow life. Like, it’s all everything is connected to everything else, that how you do anything, is how you do everything. So it’s like, you know, when people come to my breathwork sessions, that we talked about this earlier, I said, you know, life life and breath work is like an ATM. You know, you’re going to get out of it, what you put in, you know, so we got, we got to do deep breathing, we got to do conscious breathing, and I know it sounds so like, like flimsy. wimzie. Like, oh, yeah, come and breathe with me. It’s gonna change your life. Or, hey, come take this walk with me, brother. You know, Brandon, come take this walk, I’m gonna change your life. It’s like, Come on now. But when you go to this breathing venue, like we have just socks get knocked off. You don’t know what the heck hit Yeah. And your life changed? And, you know, 30 minutes?

Brandon Handley 26:07
Yeah, no. 100 100%, right. You know, just like kind of like all these other things like where you set an intention for the those breathwork sessions and you come out of it. And some of that stuff’s already been done. you couple that with the power of, you know, kind of law of attraction and thoughts create things. And when you couple that with know, the emotional outlet and the visualization of a breathwork session, you’re like, not hyperdrive, right, like, I mean, it’s Yeah, it’s gonna happen one way or another. And that’s, um, you know, I just think another, another tool that I, you know, I, you know, I’m curious. Now. Now, of course, I’m like, none of us good enough. Now. I’m like, now I’m like, Alright, well, what’s next? Right?

Unknown Speaker 26:53
Because Yeah, the law

Brandon Handley 26:54
of attraction, things is pretty well figured out. Right? Like, you’ve got that pretty much nailed down. I think one of the things that’s important too, is like, you talked about it kind of in the earlier right, let go stuff so so you can let other stuff in. Right. And that’s kind of like another piece of the law of attraction, like people are holding on to what they’ve got what already is, right? versus like, you know, the possibility of what could be and they’re so afraid to let go of all the things they don’t even want. Exactly, right. There’ll be like telling you like, oh, that thing, I hate that this thing, I hate this, I hate this, that the other thing, but I’m, I’m afraid to let go of it to get what I actually want. I mean, talk to me a little bit about through that, and like kind of how you get people past that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 27:41
I mean, that is like the ultimate paradox of life, right? It’s like, you know, we want all these things, but we’re afraid to let go of the things. And it really comes down to the emotion, if you’d call it that of comfort. We become comfortable with the pain in the brain, the brain is not designed to make you smart, and make you all this money. The brain is designed to keep you safe. And it keeps you safe by keeping you comfortable, it keeps you in a comfort comfort zone. That’s why whenever you venture outside your comfort zone, the brains like Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? It’s like, you know, fear, doubt, failure, all these like little missiles coming at you trying to prevent you. And you got to overcome that, you know, and even with breathwork, you know, the hardest part of breathwork is the first, you know, eight to 10 minutes, and all the things that’s going on behind the screen of your awareness comes to the forefront, and the brain literally tries to prevent you from continuing the breath work, being to have a breakthrough, because it’s afraid, you know, that it’s going to be eliminated, you know, you can kind of connect this to ego, we can get a little bit deeper, because I had this philosophy that negative, heavy and negative energy has consciousness, you know, it’s a dense consciousness, and its greatest fear that it holds is the fear of destruction, fear of elimination, and I learned this taking people to the jungles of Peru. And when I noticed, you know, to 23 people, you know, you’d have almost every single person would have these stories of how it was almost impossible for them to get there. And it was because, you know, all these things came up that tried to prevent them from getting to the jungle to have this experience. Because that energy inside of them, which is a part of them was had consciousness in it knew it was going to the jungles to be eliminated. And it did everything to prevent that person from having that breakthrough because it feared death. Right. So I think that the two reasons is is one that energy that that’s in us, it we’re comfortable with it and went to the point where well we’re willing to hold on to it because we’re afraid of the unknown. We’re afraid what’s next, even if it could be good you You know what whatnot. And then the other thing is, you know, the consciousness of these energies that are inside of us that are living that we’re looking to get out. You know, these traumas have have stone stories in personality. And you know, they don’t want to leave. So you got us the comfort, the comfort, and you got the the energy of that that does not want to leave. And when you take those two together, a watch is why it’s so hard for people to let go. And the reason why the breath works so powerful because all you got to do is sit down, lay down and breathe. And you push that stuff out of you. It’s like, Oh, you Listen, don’t worry about just breathe, and it’s gonna come up. It’s gonna release. You might cry. You might laugh, but it’s coming out.

Brandon Handley 30:43
Yeah, man. It’s like a second neuro blast. Right. I love that. That idea, though, of kind of negative energy having its own kind of lifeforce, right? It’s kind of like, Hey, I’m going to show up no matter what you do. And you have to try like hell to get rid of me, like a grease stain stuff worse. But um, yeah, I think that one of the stories that, you know, you talked about, yeah, I think that’s really interesting. But one of the things that you talked about, too, was, you know, how does breathwork help out with anxiety? I think you’ve got a little bit of a story about that as well.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 31:17
Yeah, you know, they say that we right now we live in the world of anxiety. You know, this is the age of anxiety. And I remember five years ago, I read an article that said, By the year 2020, anxiety, depression will be the number one disabilities worldwide, not even United States. And right now we’re in 2020, what are we in 2021. And that has fully manifested that prophecy. And, you know, anxiety is the number one, this was pre COVID these when they these statistics came out. So imagine like, now we got suicide at all time rape, and how I feel why breathwork So, so powerful. Well, let’s look at anxiety because I had anxiety and I had panic attacks. And I feel like they’re connected. Because, you know, I tell people that make sure you kill the monsters while they’re small. Because what happens is stress is what you really need to look out for, because stress, when it goes unchecked, turns into anxiety. And when anxiety goes unchecked, it turns into panic attacks. And, you know, all, you know, kind of stress and anxiety in particular, what is anxiety? Why do we have it? It’s fear of the future. You know, so the body, the body tends to live in the past. Right? The minds tend to live lives in the future, you know, the soul wants to be present. So when we have anxiety, it’s because our brain is going somewhere in the future. We keep going in the future. We go, here we go. We’re overthinking. We’re overthinking. And, you know, those thoughts kind of just circulate us. They’re, they’re around us. 24 seven, and with the breath work, you know, when you go in and start like meditation. Meditation is to me, is an advanced practice. And why do I say that? I say that, because if you try to, in the age of anxiety, if you try to get somebody, which is almost everybody who’s stressed out, you know, to sit down, sit still, and don’t think about for the next 20 minutes, you’re going to be more stressed out the fact that you can’t do it. So and what are you trying to do in meditation, you’re trying to take all these 55,000 thoughts that you had during the day, and you’re trying to calm them into the from the frantic ocean into a calm you know, peaceful Lake without a ripple in it. Cool. If you can do that by praise you great job. Now breath work, you take in this crazy, you know, thoughts, and every going through your head, and you stop breathing and you’re pushing them out of your energy field, instead of waiting for them to settle. You’re literally taking an action which is great for OCD people, you know, all these like overachievers, and people who can’t focus and your ATD ADHD like those people breathwork is great. Because you give you some self something to do. And you just pre Breathe, breathe, and you push those thoughts out. And that clears away a lot of the the anxiousness that people have. And then a lot of the things that have been trapped in the body because the issues are in the tissues that does traumas we store them in the body. And when you start to clear that stuff out, which is causing a lot of the anxiety, it’s all it’s all connected. And you know, I see people, you know, completely eradicate, you know, their their anxiety or panic attacks, you know, from breathwork. And I was, you know, I was one of them. This is why this is why I’m here. Yes.

Brandon Handley 34:37
I mean, it’s all part of what you do. I know you shared on another show the straw method. What’s another one that you like, for somebody that’s anxious or maybe just trying to get a little bit of focus on the day?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 34:50
You know what the one that I like, is that sounds stupid to everyone but it’s actually my favorite is the sigh it’s the most over Like underrated, you know, a tool is because if you’re just in the insane your car, you just take a deep breath, right? And just let out this loud obnoxious sigh. And you do that, like, let’s say three times in a row, your energy state is going to change. Because you have to look at the body like, why does the because we side naturally, you know, why does the body sign naturally, when we sign naturally, it’s to relieve pain. And stress from the body it releases is the pressure valve to release pain and stress, have you experienced something really stressful the body. When it’s all done, it’s like the pressure valve. So release. Now, if you can consciously do the psi, and utilize that pressure valve release, it’s like you’re gonna change your state throughout the entire day, just by doing that one breathing exercise every single day through three sides at a time, three times throughout the day, nine sides a day, and you will notice a difference.

Brandon Handley 36:04
That’s perfect. Because it doesn’t take a long time. No, it’s not hard to remember. And and, you know, you can do it just about anywhere, right in between. I know, for myself on my day job, right? I mean, I’ve got today for mattify as on calls from 10am to 6pm. Right, back to back. All right, but there was enough time in there for me to make a bagel sandwich. And I could have also, you know, side three times if I needed to, right. So I could have, you know, just kind of brought myself back to just like, just a couple of times, I’m sure that like I might have done it on calls. And that might not that yeah, that’s not cool. So make sure you get an in between calls. So I think that that’s, you know, that’s really practical, something you can apply, like, anywhere, anytime. So thanks for sharing that. You know, again, a big part of this, too, is like, you know, we talked about, you know, pulling all the spiritual stuff and and integrating it right, I talked me a little bit about your practice on how you, you’ve been able to do that for yourself.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 37:07
I truly feel that integration is the name of the game. And being able to integrate is the game. Like ultimately, if you look at like, let’s say the most spiritual people to ever walk the earth, you know, you call them avatar masters, you know, enlightened avatar masters, you know? And what are these people do? Right? Oh, let’s start with an ego Why didn’t they ever have Native Americans love the eagle as a powerful Totem because it can fly superduper high. And what that represents is the ability to go up in the higher esoteric metaphysical realms and, and see life from a higher vantage point, higher consciousness, and then also that animal that can fly higher than most birds, it can land the ground, and walk the ground with the creepy crawlers. You know, and that is the integration that is, you know, the avatar, what do they do, you know, they, they get enlightened, you know, they ascend, you know, and they can, you know, they can ascend to heaven, they get all this information of you know, who they are, they don’t have to come back. And when they choose to come back and embody in physical form, you know, that’s truly where they’re, where their power is to take that higher knowledge and integrate it into, you know, physical form and deliver it in a way where the people can understand, because you don’t have to talk circles around people, you don’t have to act super smart, like look at all the parables and, you know, the metaphors, the simple ones, you know, that Jesus and Buddha used, and as they’re around now, because they’re so simple, you know, it’s because people can understand them, people can relate to them, but they went all the way to those, those higher planes, but they were able to integrate, integrate that knowledge back into, you know, this 3d 3d form. And that’s the value that I see around integration. So like, you know, how do I personally, you know, integrate a lot of things I think I do, kind of like, naturally that I don’t even, you know, realize, you know, my daily practices, you know, are the breath works, you know, that that’s the, you know, that’s what kind of brings me up, but it also grounds you, when you start breathing into the belly as well, it does be grounded to the earth. There’s things I do outside, I go outside and barefoot on the grass, and I put my feet in there, you know, and I just ground myself I connect to the, to the light in the in earth, a lot of people, you know, they know we have the sun, but they don’t know that there’s a light in the center of the earth. And I connect to that light and that helps ground me, you know, to Earth consciousness because I used to just focus on like, Oh, you know, I can open my crown chakra I could open my third eye chakra I need these spiritual gifts, you know, and you just focus on all the Shockers and like, I realized that’s not what the power is. It’s like when you want to manifest, you can’t manifest unless your root chakra is grounded. And this is why you see these all these spiritual people they say, you know, they’re all in the heart and they like lie in love and you know, the third eyes open but You’re broke. And the reason why they’re broke is because their root chakra, they can’t manifest they’re not connected to the earth. Well,

Brandon Handley 40:09
I mean, I think I think it’s a number of things, right? Like, it’s not being grounded, right, just like you’re saying, right now. It’s not being grounded and just just not not integrating, right? Yeah, they’ve gone up. But then you come back now,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 40:25
yeah, you gotta come back down and get back down to everyday life. And you know, what part of that is being human. And, you know, I know you meet some people, and they get a spiritual stick shoved up their ass. You know, and I never wanted to be the that person and even like, the work that I do, and I’m teaching, I’m on stage, and you know, I never want to be put on a pedestal. You know, and the reason why I do is because, well, first of all, there’s only one way to go from there. That’s down. And, you know, I feel like I make a practice of myself of I won’t say humiliation, because I don’t I don’t like that. humility, humility, humble, I’ll say I’ll say, transparent, you know, I just try to keep it real. I try to show people, my, my humanity, you know, at all times, and you know, I take this facade of like, Oh, you think I’m this, you know, I’m human. I’m just as messed up as you are, right now. And when I do that, it makes me human. But yet, I’m still I still have all the gifts and all the research and all the things that I’m doing to get me up there and let the shoppers but i don’t i never think I’m better than anybody. And I don’t think anyone’s better than me. You know, I just kind of stay in this place of neutrality. And I think that is that is the Yin Yang. That’s the place that you want to be, you know, between, you know, the five, you know, the five D and the 3d, you just stay stay neutral, stay grounded, stay present, and stay real.

Brandon Handley 41:53
Right? Yeah, no, I mean, look, have you seen the website yet? Right. But I mean, it really, it says that, right? It’s like, you know, don’t come at me with your patchouli, your sandals and your wooden beads were cool. You know, because there’s, there’s other things going on. And that’s that, that crowd, you know, I say that crowd, you know, I’m not trying to say that, that we don’t need them or that or this. But it can also happen in another way. Right? Like you and I are talking about right now just kind of like there’s a grittiness to spirituality and life, there’s a reality to it. And, you know, kind of not forgetting where you came from, right? And everybody, you know, the person behind you could be, you know, more advanced and a different state that you don’t recognize, and since you can’t recognize that you don’t think they’re advanced, but they’re like, way beyond you, right? And you like, you know, they like No, man, you gotta eat kale or whatever type of thing. So, so, you know, I get it. So one other question too, as we kind of wind this down, I know that, you know, you were showing me your, your drink that your daughter brought him? How is a? How are you sharing this? As a father, you know, as a parent, your children?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 43:05
Yeah, you know, um, so, you know, I’m a single father and my daughter’s 14 now, and I will say, because, I think because the chunk of my greatest awakening when I was kind of like obsessed was when she was really young. So she actually grew up around crystals and sage smoke interface, you know, and, believe it or not, she, you know, she has her own connection to angels. And, you know, I used to ask her for like, advice, like, kind of just, like, kind of desperate. And she would give me the best advice that I’ve ever got. And then she’s like, literally, when I started asking her, then she’d be like, okay, I can ask her something, and she closed her eyes. She’d look up, and she’d get the information and she’d come back. And she would say some things that was way beyond her years. And I was like, Whoa, this girl’s like channeling some some good stuff. So I kind of had my secret weapon here, you know, the entire time. And to shoot, you know, it’s been a blessing to be be able to raise her that

Brandon Handley 44:08
frickin mute button. So, the, what’s cool about that is, you know, like, You’re, you’re not, you’re not helping, you’re not diminishing her gifts. Right? I you know, I think, I think you probably agree that what you and I have gone through an awakening process is more or less coming back to ourselves, right? Whereas, you know, we weren’t shown who you were or allowed to be ourselves growing up, right? Like, Hey, shut up, be quiet. You know, don’t do this. Don’t do that. And oh my god, you stop dancing like that, or whatever, right? You know, or you can’t think this and you can’t say those types of things. So what you’re doing though, is you’re saying Alright, look, come out with your angel stuff. I mean, we’ve all got something right. What’s yours and we Got a connection? How’s it going to express itself? And that’s how she’s expressing her connection to the divine. Right. And, and your instead of you saying, You better not tell anybody about that. You maybe do, right. But like, at least you’ve got an open dialogue between the two of you with that, right. And I think that that’s really important. That’s awesome that you’re doing that.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 45:19
Yeah, man, it’s great. You know, and a lot of the things like, should give me advice on business. And, you know, she told my one of my buddies, would I do book signings, she would come in, she’d set up a little table, and she’d say, $5 for reading, she’s got a good making, making money and like, eggs is totally cool. But you told one of my buddies, he need more confidence, you have lack of confidence. And the girl you’re with, she’s no good. And he’s looking at me like, dude, I wasn’t ready for that. I talked to him the other day. And he was like, dude, man, your daughter blew me away that day. She was so right. And you know, he, he never forgot that he used that to, to help him. You know,

Brandon Handley 45:56
nice, man. That’s cool. Very cool. So man. So the latest book is called,

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:01
The latest book is called breathwork. detox, how to thrive in the age of anxiety.

Brandon Handley 46:07
And your book prior to that?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:10
The world is yours. The Secrets Behind the secret?

Brandon Handley 46:13
Yeah, and where can I get those?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 46:14
Those are both on Amazon. So you can go on Amazon, you can. The first one has an audible, they both have Kindles, and they both have paperbacks. Who is your ideal client? My ideal client? Great question. my avatar, let’s say I, you know, I, I love people who are skeptical at first. And then they come in and their world gets rocked, you know, they heal. And, you know, then they they’re fully committed there they awaken, you know, and then they start to step into their power. And, you know, then they start to, you know, do what I do, whether it’s you know, you know, teacher trainings, or, you know, writing their own book and telling their own story and all the things that they always wanted to do, but never thought that knew anyone would listen or everyone anyone cared. I just like empowering people.

Brandon Handley 47:14
Perfect, man and then the website and where can they reach you?

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:17
So they go my website man from the stars.com or they can go to my Instagram, which is man from the stars, and I’m pretty active on it. So you can send me a DM and, you know, hopefully, I can get to it.

Brandon Handley 47:34
Awesome. Paris. Thanks for stopping on spiritual dope today.

Kurtis Lee Thomas 47:37
Thank you so much great for having me. And yeah, that website is awesome that you have and I was

Unknown Speaker 47:41
looking forward to this

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Join in the conversation as we host Elyse Archer of She Sells this week on Spiritual Dope.

Connect with Elyse over at: https://elysearcher.com/

Also, Elyse, mentioned the book The Diamond Cutter, check it out below:

Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here. The voice of a generation as we know, Mays was self self indulge every once in a while and I’m on with a quite somebody quite special Elise Archer. And I’m just gonna, I’m gonna let her do the bio for herself in a second here. But before I do that, like Elise is the reason I do a podcast. Right? Before I met Elise, I’d never listened to a podcast, or I was like, fuck podcasts. Like, that’s not for me. And when I when I met Elise, Alicia, we’re doing your podcast with Greg and, Mark. Good. Morning. Yeah. And, you know, and then you know, we’re connecting at some of the networking events. And then I eventually hired you as my coach. And then when we got through the coach, it was for sales coaching, we got midway through the coaching. And I was like, This is more like, I’m getting life coach than sales coach. And and it’s okay, because it’s transferable, but like, as like, Well, you know, what, at least what we’ve been working on, like, it’s been the sales, but I really want to do this, like podcasts, and I was fully expecting you to be like, eyes on the prize brand and focus on what you said you were gonna focus on and you got it. And instead of doing that, instead of doing that, you’re like, well, how can I help you? Right, and you connect them with some other people. And that moment that that was like a life changing moment for me. So thank you for that. And I’m gonna let you do your own little brief intro. Like Elise, what do you all about? And share a little bit of that? And then we’ll get it going.

Elyse Archer 1:36
Oh, my gosh, I love that. Yeah, it’s it’s so cool, just to see what you’ve created in a short amount of time and to see the evolution of it as well. So yeah, thank you so much. I was just thinking before cutting on his podcast, this is so much fun for me, because I do most of the podcast interviews I do or straight business sales, personal branding. And so this is pushing my limits, because this is actually the stuff I care about, like this is, this is the real, I feel like everything I do in the sales and business world is kind of the Trojan horse to try to like, talk to people about spirituality and help them just develop and grow personally. So this is so much fun. Okay, so with that about me, I’m a new mom. So I’ve got a little boy, he’s six months old. And that’s so much fun. Yeah, yeah, it’s the best. I love it. I didn’t know how I was gonna feel elevated. I

Unknown Speaker 2:24
know.

Elyse Archer 2:26
My gosh, No, I know. And he’s kind of he’s past that, like the blob stage now. So he’s doing things which was, but especially for my husband, Jason, I think it’s more fun for him now that he can interact. And, yeah, I’m a business owner. So I do a couple different things. I’m a founding team member of a company called brandbuilders group or a personal brand, strategy firm. And then I also recently launched another brand that I’m running called T cells. And it’s a it’s basically sales, training and mentoring for women who want to break through six figures and learn to sell in a way that feels really authentic to them. And we can, you know, take this conversation wherever you want it to go. But that’s a lot of my background is coming from corporate sales and seeing, you know, sales and business strategies celebrated that, frankly, made me feel like crud when I implemented them, because they either kind of blurred the lines of integrity, or were all about Push, push, push, hustle, and I did it, I did what I was taught, and I financially, I did pretty well. But it was really, really detrimental to not just my mental health, my physical health too. And so a lot of my own journey has been about I would say, reconnecting with myself, like how I’m actually wired, how I was innately designed and learning to trust myself, trust my instincts, trust my body, trust my intuition. And, and I’m really lit up now about helping everyone do that. But specifically, I my brand really is catering to women, because I think so much of what we’re taught, just growing up is like, we, you know, our bodies look wrong, or they’re not the way they should be, or they’re for other people’s pleasure. And it’s just, it’s really disempowering. And so, I’m so passionate about helping myself reconnect with my power and then helping other women reconnect with their power as well. So that’s, that’s a little sliver of what I’m all about.

Brandon Handley 4:15
Just a tidbit.

Unknown Speaker 4:16
Yeah. Just a little bit.

Brandon Handley 4:18
I love it. I love it, you know. And again, you know, when we connected, it was just, I think it was a, it was just an interesting journey. You You and I are connection, right? And just kind of how that how that all? We’ll call it manifested. And let’s start off with the first question that so we have all day to talk. So usually like to start us off with, you talked about connecting with your power always align it with like source, right? So the idea is that source speaks through us to speak to somebody else, right, you kind of get this divine inspiration to share something with somebody else. So the deal is there’s somebody listening to this podcast today that needs you to kind of ignite them to connect them to their power through a message. And what does that message to that person today? At least?

Elyse Archer 5:08
I love that question. I mean, the biggest thing that shows up for me is to trust yourself. That’s like I said, that’s so much of what I feel inspired to share with this brand. And like I mentioned before, a lot of my journey, especially in my teens, and 20s, were, it was it was not trusting myself, and whether that was not not being proud of my body. And I struggled with an eating disorder for 17 years, or feeling like something was just off with, like a client situation or something I was being told to do at work. All the way to, you know, when we got pregnant for the first time, a couple years ago, I went into sheer panic, that I was like, I just, I felt like I was going to lose the pregnancy. And I went into sheer panic about it. Sure enough, we miscarried. And I learned in that moment, I didn’t trust my body. And it’s been so interesting, this journey of learning to I think a lot of times we have to like kind of be brought to our knees to be able to be open to whatever that that message is that we’re meant to receive, and then carry forth into the world for other people. And that was it for me. But then even talking with my mom about it, a lot of her own experience, too, was she didn’t trust her body. And I think a lot of this stuff goes back generationally. So you know that, whatever that thing is that you feel like you want to do, but you can’t do or you have this intuition to do something or you’re like that logically doesn’t make sense. If I could encourage someone to listen to it, and trust that it doesn’t have to make sense for anyone other than you and to kind of stop looking outside of yourself. Even I promise, I’ll be quiet in a second. So you can respond or ask your next question. But I think about the coach I’m working with right now like this was I just did a pretty big financial investment to work with a new coach. And I knew that it was going to trigger all of my scarcity mindset that I was part of me was still clinging on to I knew it. And sure enough, a couple of weeks in it did. And I knew in my core, my intuition this whole time that it was the right move. But logically, it would not be anything that my dad would have told me to do, it would have been anything that a lot of even business mentors, who I look up to would tell me to do and I was on a call with her a couple weeks ago, and I said, I found myself going into panic about making the wrong decision. She was like, when do you find yourself going into panic about that. And I said, usually I’m reading, it’s when I’m reading like a business book, or I’m listening to financial management training from somebody else. And she was like, stop it, cut it off for the next three weeks, no consumption of any of that stuff. And I cut it off, and I feel so at peace. So it’s not that we want to not learn and educate ourselves and challenge our thinking. But I think at the end of the day, you know, your best path for you. And you have to trust that everything that you’re doing and when you act on those instincts, it’s always unfolding for the greater good and for your greater good. So sometimes just putting those blinders on and trusting that you know, what you need to do, is the most powerful thing you can do. So that would be my message.

Brandon Handley 8:14
After keeping it short.

Unknown Speaker 8:15
I’m gonna be all day

Brandon Handley 8:20
I kid I kid I love it. I love it all like and one of the parts where you brought it to know you had to kind of come to your knees right to just kind of accept your your intuition piece for a lot of people would you consider that? You? d a fearful, dark night of the soul for you? Would you consider that a moment of a or maybe like even a dark night of the soul? Whatever, right? And then and then, you know, there’s the idea I love I love what you’re saying there with with your coach, because I bet you it’s almost like it’s almost like a deprivation for you knowing how much you consume to improve or be better or find another technique or whatever, right? Like Hmm, I have to cut all that off. Right like so you probably feel a little bit like a junkie having to withdraw from that at least look and I know this from my own experience, right? I’m like, I’m like What do you mean? Don’t Don’t do it all like right now.

Elyse Archer 9:16
So it was in that did one thing I’ll just add to that is like, she really kind of pushed me with that cuz she was I was like, but I love learning and learning is good. And I love reading. She was like, that’s your comfort zone. She said, study yourself for three weeks. Just study yourself. Whoa, this is so uncomfortable. But that’s right. That’s what we need.

Brandon Handley 9:33
Well, that’s tough, too. Right. So jumping in there and studying yourself. And what I’ll throw in there though, too, is like, so it’s very, I’m still going through this book again. Right? Like, are you ready to succeed? I can’t remember if I saw I might have sent you one too. I can’t recall if I did. I think I sent you have a kid’s book that isn’t yours. Yeah, I

Elyse Archer 9:50
don’t I’m not familiar with this book. So

Brandon Handley 9:52
this is Sreekumar Rao. This is actually by way of Elise Archer at some point. It was back in the day when we were doing the coaching There was a guy that I looked up Sreekumar Rao on like, you know, you are hardwired for happiness, right? And turned out like, you almost cried, watching his little story or whatever. And I was like, Alright, well, I gotta get his book, got his book, yada yada went through it. But one of the pieces in here it’s just really talks about there’s two pieces in here that you’re saying that resonate with me. And one is like, talking about putting all that effort in, right? Like I gotta do I gotta do I got consumed content consume content, you were finding like each time you like power, something that didn’t correlate with how you were feeling or doing it was like, it was like, striking the wrong chord. Right? Quite literally. It’s like, you’re like that is that is out of that is that’s out of tune with who I am. Oh, my God, I need to make an adjustment because this person, you wrote this book, he’s an authority. Right? He

Unknown Speaker 10:48
knows. Oh, my gosh, I

Brandon Handley 10:50
shouldn’t Holy shit. Did I do the wrong thing? Right. So that that’s one piece, right? is to not let the wrong thought in your head. Right? It’s better. It’s like better like like literally cut yourself like with a razor. He says in this book, this came from like a Swami. Right? It’s better to cut yourself like a razor than to let the wrong thought into your head. Hmm. Right. which I know sounds to me. Like, you know, that’s that’s kind of what was happening to you. Like, you know, you’re you’re on your path. But you’re like, you like this guy’s awesome. I love 98% of what he does. But this piece right here is just like a BB in my mind, right? breaking all my shit. And thank you so much. Right? And then and then the other piece is like, we’re trying to do it so fast. Right? We’re trying to we’re trying to do is we want it so bad. We’re trying to do it so fast. There’s another story in this book where he talks about the idea of, you know, if you try to do it so fast, and with so much energy, it’s actually gonna take twice as long. So it sounds like your coach sounds really similar to what your coach is saying is they stop taking all this like outside influence and jam in all this into your cranium. Study yourself, trust yourself. And that’s what you’re saying to is like, kind of trust yourself and believe in yourself and kind of tune out all the other shit.

Elyse Archer 12:01
Yeah, well, that’s so interesting what you said about if you try to like, push and force it into it so fast, it’ll take twice as long. It’s interesting. I hadn’t thought about it like that. But because it’s counterintuitive. It makes a heck of a lot of sense. Because you’re kind of going up river versus letting yourself flow and stuff, right?

Brandon Handley 12:18
Yeah. here’s, here’s how, like, I’ve visualized it more recently. And this is like, this year, right? Imagine, like, you feel like you’re literally putting all the thought energy or whatever things, right? If we’re putting all this energy into this place, right? Then nothing can get in. So if we create space for something to come in, right, if we back up for a second, and let it come to us, then it comes to us, right? Because otherwise we’re blocking it. We’re like, I’ve got to put everything into this spiritual energy, right? Like, I’ve got to put all of my, you know, essence energy into this thing. And I want it so bad. If it doesn’t, we’ve got all these things caught up with it. And instead of like, I do really want it I want it really bad, but like, I want it and kind of like, the way I like flowers and, you know, gardens and stuff where if I go and I plan it, you know, there’s that whole other thing to where, like, you know, if you plant something you don’t keep pulling it up, right? And check into the roots and be like, you plan it. Come back up. Yes, it does what it’s supposed to do. Yeah, it’ll do anyways. And those are some thoughts that are like, you know, coming on mine is I’m hearing your story, right? I’m hearing like your coaching unfold. So thanks for letting me ramble on

Elyse Archer 13:26
I love this. This is no I feel like I’m getting a good like a spiritual lesson from you. And this this is awesome

Brandon Handley 13:31
was so that was so here’s the other thing, right? Like Elise guys is I went through like my quote unquote, like a call, quote, unquote, because nobody can like point a finger and say, Hey, that was an awakening experience. But remember, if you don’t remember that time, I called you up. I

Unknown Speaker 13:43
was like, Oh, yes,

Brandon Handley 13:44
I went through some shit. I don’t know what it is. And it’s like an awakening experience. So Lisa’s been again, guys that’s, you know, just want to share our relationship with the people that are listening, right, and how this kind of all came together. You came to me as like a sales coach. But what ends up happening was all this inner work that I hadn’t done before for personal growth, and it manifested into culminated into like kind of an awakening experience. Right. And from there, we still maintained and again, that was another thing where you were like, Well tell me more about that, like, because you’re just as excited as I was for that, too. So I think that that’s says a lot about kind of who you are and what you accept in your life. So I do want to hear like, you know, how you talked about helping people find themselves spiritually through your own process. And I’d like to hear how you’re doing that. Because what happened with me might not have been intentional. And and, you know, how do you feel like you’re doing it intentionally right now?

Unknown Speaker 14:43
Oh, wow.

Elyse Archer 14:45
Yeah, gosh, I don’t so I don’t have like an intentional method to it. I think it’s more me think about that cuz I want to actually, I want to, I want to think about what the right or just what the true answer is for me there. I think I think for me, a lot of my own journey has been around overcoming a lot of feelings of unworthiness and worthlessness. And I think a lot of that is conditioned, that’s part of why a lot of the, like the clients I work with are in a business environment in a business setting. And so a lot of times they’ll come for, you know, I want to make more money, or I want to grow my personal brand and presence and just through that process, usually what comes up is, are there tactical, pragmatic things that they can do to do that? Absolutely. But also, and I think the more important thing is we dig into just limiting beliefs that are showing up for them around, you know, I want to make this amount of money, but even the word want means you don’t have it, right. So it especially the women, I work with those, those cut, you hear more than their story. And they talk about feeling unworthy or scared to show up or scared to speak up. And it doesn’t matter how good your website is, or how good your sales process is, if you have that limiting view of yourself, you’re only going to be able to operate within a box that’s like this big right? And get results that are about that big. So I really like I said, I don’t have a set processes, something I’m kind of like working on developing on right now. Because I do want to be able to take people through a more like a more intentional process. For me, it’s typically kind of intuitive with my clients. But that’s usually what I’m listening for when I hear my clients talk is, what are they actually saying about themselves. I was on a call with a potential client the other day. And the first thing she said when she got on our call was she said, Oh, you know, I’m just sitting here procrastinating, like I always do. And she’s a woman who wants to break through six figures this year in her business, and she’s a go getter. And she you can tell like she’s you know, she’s an aggressive goal getter. But the first thing I said was, whatever you describe you prescribed, right. So if you’re sitting there saying, I’m procrastinating, like I always do, you’re going to continue to procrastinate on accomplishing your goals on making your sales calls on whatever it is. So I just I think because so much of my own journey involves poor self talk poor or poor self image, I can hear it, and I can see it and other people. And then that’s what I try to pull out. Because usually we’re just we’re not even aware of it. It’s so ingrained in how we think and how we talk. And most of the people around us usually use disempowering language and thoughts. And so it’s kind of just part of our society. But once you realize, once you’re aware of it, you can’t unknow it. Right. And so I care so much now for myself about how I feel and how I speak about myself. And I try to get my clients to that same level of self awareness. Because the tactical stuff is like 5% of the actual process, the 95% of it is how you think and what you believe you deserve. So I don’t know if that answered the question. Like I said, there’s not a real thought out process. It’s super intuitive for me, but that’s, um, that’s that’s kind of how I do it

Brandon Handley 18:01
a little bit. I mean, it sounds like there is right, so the process is to kind of just identify where they are, right? You know, are they saying something that, you know, you’ve been able to get look as, I don’t think it’s any different than being a doctor, right? Kind of, when, when you first start off, you’re like, maybe I shouldn’t amputate that leg, I don’t know. But I’m gonna go ahead and I’m gonna, I’m gonna, I’m gonna go ahead and cut that one off, you’re doing the same thing with like somebody limiting beliefs, right? Or identifying it. And over time, over time, like you become skilled enough to be like, Oh, that’s this. That’s this. That’s this. That’s this just because of your exposure, experience. And then your own way of working with people in that space, seeing what works. A lot of these things that you’re using a lot of the tools that you’re using, I’m guessing, aren’t brand new, right? These are tools that have been around for quite some time that have had success for years and years and years. It’s just how do you how do you share those tools with these people? So what would be like one thing that you help? Like, when you identify like a limiting belief within somebody else? Right? How do you how do you identify that for somebody to get them past that? Yeah, well, I

Elyse Archer 19:07
think the first thing is just reflecting it back to them. So that’s part of where there is value in having a coach a mentor, just somebody who can hear how you talk. And and actually help help you become aware and almost be a mirror for Do you realize you just said that? Because like I said, oftentimes, our language is so it is it is so subconscious, we don’t even realize we’re saying it. So it’s like, hey, do you realize you just said that? And then oftentimes people don’t even realize it’s a problem. They’re like, well, so you know, so what? So what did I said that and I think so for some people, they’re already really into law of attraction and, and positive self talk, but for a lot of people I work with, they’re not familiar with, with what that means, and how it how it impacts them. So we talked about, you know, whatever you’re saying you’re giving a command to your subconscious to create this thing in your life. And so we start to look at what’s a new and better and different way you could say that The other thing that has been really profoundly transformational for me in my life and that I recommend for a lot of my clients is Joe dispenza his meditations like I am, I’m guessing you follow Him, and I’m such a fan of his work. But every single morning, I’m doing those meditations. And I asked my clients to do the same, and it helps you start to feel the feelings of abundance, genius. Courage, right? All those things that, that we want to embody. And so I get all my clients doing that, as long as they’re open to it, and that is pretty darn transformational as well.

Brandon Handley 20:40
Now, 100%, right, yeah, Joe dispenza is great. He’s one, there’s one that I listened not not even. Not even a meditation, but he’s got like a 10 minute piece that like I listened to all the time. It’s just, it just reminds me like not to look at like, not to look at my social media first thing in the day not to, you know, to retune yourself, right, like to retune your your whole, you know, your whole experience? Do you live life on your terms? Not according to what kind of everybody else is already doing? And that’s why I enjoy him and that. So meditation, getting them to connect with the meditations? Or where did you find that to be kind of like the game changer? a game changer for you? Hmm.

Elyse Archer 21:24
You know, it’s so I’ve been meditating off and on for probably five years, probably, well, I really longer than that, but like, actually really going for it for about five years. But I would say it’s, I kind of, I would do it for a while, and then I’d get off of it. Because it was like, you know, I’m still I still was in the mindset of i, this time would be so much better spent if I was sending emails or creating the social media posts. So I was still in that mindset. And really, I would say, it’s, it’s honestly been more in the past few months that it’s kicked in, for me how critically important it is. Where, even though I think I had done a fair amount of work on releasing anxiety, and like I mentioned, like not trusting myself and stuff. So I’d gotten to a pretty good place about 12 months ago, but I still would have almost this low grade anxiety running all the time in the background, especially on Sunday nights, looking at the week ahead of like, Oh, you know, I’ve just I’ve still got all this stuff that’s been done that I thought I was gonna try to get done this weekend, did I just piled too much on my plate, and then I would kind of beat myself up about just not being, you know, good enough. And I Gosh, if I was better, I could have gotten this done. So it was this habit in this perpetual like cycle that my body was almost addicted to the feeling and the anxiety. And some time, I think sometimes we just have a moment. And for me, I just had a moment, I was like, doing it this way, has gotten me this result. I’ve been feeling this low grade anxiety for years for most of my life. What if I didn’t have to feel that way? What if that wasn’t the reality for everybody? What if I was what if it was just a decision that I was going to feel differently. And that’s when I started really doubling down into a lot of Joe’s work, and into just studying, you know, the different energy centers of the body and how to get them in coherence. And I will say, I mean, it’s a very short time as of the recording of this interview, but for about a week now, I’ve had really consistent checks up brain heart coherence, where you just you feel like in the flow all the time, no matter what. I had that for about a week, and it’s been so transformational. Like, I’m not afraid of anything that’s coming, I’m not anxious, I’m at peace, I’m present. With the people I’m talking to. I’m excited. I’m not triggered by stuff the way I was. And it’s just it’s a totally different, I was able to get there like a little bit before and I could get there and kind of keep it for a while during my meditations. But then something would happen in life, and it would trigger me or throw me off and I’d have to like work to get back. And it’s been really darn consistent. For like I said, about seven days. And I think it’s it was just a decision of, I can have this all the time if I want. And so now i’m i’m showing up on that meditation, that was some ferocity my friend cuz he’s like, Oh, this is good, how much? How much better could it get?

Brandon Handley 24:19
You show it to meditation be like, I’m gonna take this bitch down. Yes. So so that’s great. So there’s, there’s a word that I use in tandem kind of with, with with, with what you’re talking about there. And that’s the word numinous. Right? Like where you’ve got this connection to source and it’s just effervescent. And it sounds like that’s been your week, right? Nothing can derail that, right? There’s nothing stronger than it and there’s no worry, you’ve given yourself some trust, you’ve given yourself some grace. And there’s a it’s just such a great feeling, right? Like how did happen and where’s and it’s always been available. Right, that’s the thing like to you’re like, well, all I had to do was make a decision to make this a conscious choice.

Elyse Archer 25:06
That was it. Yeah, that and it’s and it’s not like nothing has happened, like, I got a mega tax bill I wasn’t expecting because of a miscommunication with my accountant. And in the past that would have that would have thrown me, you know, and this I was like, okay, like, I, you know, I am being honest, it threw me for a couple minutes. And then I just like I’m snapping back into it, because nothing is worth sacrificing this level of vibration and awareness and feeling nothing. So we’re just going to do it and move on. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:37
yeah, no, absolutely. 100%. Right. So I thought I definitely talked about this in my process, too, right? To where you make the decision, right, literally, like, so I created that, you know, this thing called the divine framework, right, the first piece of the first piece of this puzzle that you just talked about, is to make the decision. Yes. Right. Like, this is it? This is I’m going for it. Right. But the one thing that, you know, you talked about, like kind of this belief system, you talked about the boxes right and and discover on uncovering kind of like the those limitations, right? Those self imposed limitations. It’s kind of like this whole mindset thing. This is just how spirituality has kind of shown itself for me, right? Like I did the I did the coaching with you awesome stuff. Great stuff went through like law of attraction, right? And I was like, well, this is this is all kind of stuff that I’m putting out there. What if I shake it back and understand that this is a benevolent universe? And that it probably wants things more for me than I actually want for me. What can you show me? Right? And how can I take who I am eternally spirit, like spiritual DNA is perfect, right? I mean, we all have, we all share the same spiritual DNA. But I went from having a human mindset with all these worldly things that we know how to use, right. And, to your point, I’ve made it this far with this human mindset with this human capability. As like, what happens if I choose divinity? What happens in right? What happens if I’m connected to source at all time? And if I accept that source is everything, right? Who, you know, what am I capable of then? Right? And so that’s just fucking blew the lid off it. I’m like, you know, and that’s, that’s that again, just another choice to make right then. And so you can take a look at spirituality and the, you know, you can call it maybe it’s Christ consciousness, I don’t know, right to decide, like, Hey, listen, this is this is Buddhist consciousness, I make this decision to do what you did, to say. I’m just gonna stay connected to this ship, because I feel real good. I don’t have to drink to get here. I don’t have to get high to get here. All I have to do is show up and decide to be here. It can’t be that easy lease.

Elyse Archer 27:56
It’s it. It is literally it is a decision. I mean, that’s it. That’s been a huge lesson for me in the past 12 months that I think we could be scared to make that whatever the decision is. Whether it’s a decision to show up differently, a decision to to move right a decision to, for me invest in this, this high level coach. One other thing that happened for me a couple months ago is I made it not I guess it was more a month ago, I made a decision to spend more money than I knew where it was going to come from to work with this particular woman. So I felt very intuitively guided to do it. And I remember going through the fear and I like I said yes to her verbally. And then I like kind of shrugged back for a week and I vacillated It was like, Oh, this is a bad idea. It’s not it’s not responsible. It’s not smart. And I reached the point. And I think you saw my video I did on Instagram about this. But I was just thinking about why am I not moving forward on this. And it was the fear of the unknown. It was the fear of making a bad decision in the unknown. And, but what it reminded me of was, when I was in my late 20s, I was in a just a, I was in a marriage that was really toxic. And I was so scared to leave because I was afraid of the judgment of being young and being divorced. And my family put a lot of money into the wedding and we were only I mean I knew before I got married to him I shouldn’t have but at this point where I reached kind of the turning point we were like 1214 months in I was so scared to do it because of the fear of judgment and what was going to be on the other side would I ever find someone who was actually a good fit for me all that stuff. And I just reached a point where I said it can’t be worse than this you know so let’s let’s pull the trigger and do it and so I I asked for the divorce and six months to the day that I did. I met Jason who’s my husband I knew within minutes that he was going to be my husband. very inconvenient by the way in North Carolina. You’ve got to be separated for a year so we were still tech Are you gonna you remembered for a year for you to get remarried.

Brandon Handley 29:58
For the for the guys out there. They listen, they’re gonna probably, they’re gonna want to know, what can somebody do in a couple minutes to make some money?

Unknown Speaker 30:07
Right? I

Elyse Archer 30:08
know, I know. Yeah, they are. He just showed up and I was like that, you know, you hear about you know it when you know it, you know it I’ve never had that experience before. But I, I knew him. I knew that I was meant to be with him. So that’s a whole nother story, because then I had to proceed to chase him and date him and all of that stuff. It was a frustrating courtship, I will say, but here we are. So

Unknown Speaker 30:29
if I had to do one, that one, I won that one. Yeah.

Elyse Archer 30:33
But if I had not left that situation that I was so scared to leave, I would not have met him. And we would not have our son jack now. And that just puts things into perspective for me. And I think everyone can relate to something in their life where they’ve been so scared to make a move, because they didn’t know what was on the other side. But think about what happened in your life is a result of what you have now that you wouldn’t have had if you hadn’t stepped out in faith. And for me, that was like, this is it. Like, I don’t know what’s gonna happen on the other side of this, but I know, I can trust my intuition that’s leading me to do this. And I know something really good is gonna unfold, even if it’s not what I’m expecting. So it’s kind of that surrender, like, Alright, I’m along for the ride.

Brandon Handley 31:16
That’s it. I mean, that’s it. 100% right. You know, it’s, it’s following your intuition. And kind of, you know, trusting it. And for you, you know, that’s seems to be working fairly well. Seems like, hey, look, what I love, too, is like, you know, listen, no matter how much of this work you’ve been doing on yourself, I’ve been doing myself, anybody out there has been doing it themselves. years, right. You’re still catching yourself, like beating yourself up? Right? You’re still catching yourself. Like, you know, there are moments where everything’s not fucking perfect. And that’s okay. Like, and I think that, I think that that that can be a challenge too. Because to accept that right to to be able to say, this, this moment, right here is not ideal for me. But that’s still going to show up no matter how much work you do. And I think that that’s important for people to hear and understand. Because they put themselves in into, oh, I shouldn’t be feeling this way I shouldn’t, then they beat themselves up for feeling that way at all. Like you’re saying, like, I shouldn’t be doing this way. And, and and I should be you should I’ve done it differently. And all these other things. And I’ve had another guy that had on and I know well, you called it he has the acronym, acronym Tina, right? There is no alternative. However you did it, right. There’s no alternative to what’s already been done. Right? The only alternative mate would be like your perspective on that, like, as you move forward, you’d be like, you know what, you can look back and be like, you know, what, in my mind, at that time, this is what I thought was going on. But now if I look back, it’s a totally different scenario. your perspective on what happened may be different. But the actual event, there’s no changing it. Right? That’s your your way past it. Right. Yeah. But you know, so how would I mean, a dress that though right, especially for you know, you again, being a coach, having gone through, like all this work, and still finding, you know, yourself kind of having those challenging moments? Do you accept those for yourself? Or do you beat yourself up for having those and then, you know, how do you get through it? What do you do from there?

Elyse Archer 33:28
Yeah, yeah, that’s a good question. I, so I do accept myself for having those. And I used to beat myself up a lot over it. And I think a lot of that is just we see people, whether it’s our parents, or like, for me, I saw I like, I love my mom dearly, but I saw her do that my whole childhood growing up. So I that’s how I operated for a long time. So now with those moments, I am so conscious of how I talk to myself, because I realized if I beat myself up, I’m only perpetuating the negative emotion negative feeling, I’m just going to attract more of that back into my life. So yeah, I mean, even yesterday, I had an introduction to like, a big time, big time, big time podcast to go on. And I had been like, really psyched up.

Unknown Speaker 34:11
You know, we’ve been talking for a while.

Unknown Speaker 34:14
See, it’s always working.

Elyse Archer 34:18
So I had this. So this was like, you know, like, top 100. Like, it was a big it was a just in terms of audience a big show. And so I got myself kind of psyched up for it. And I get on the call with the woman I’d been introduced to who is kind of like the gatekeeper and she was like, Oh, I’m so sorry. If there’s a misunderstanding. You know, he’s booked up for a whole year like I just really wanted to get to know you. You seem like a cool chicken. It was like, in that moment, I felt I felt disappointment. And then I gave myself like two seconds to feel it. I was like, okay, nothing is worth feeling that nothing is worth perpetuating that. So let me instead flip this and focus on how can I show up for her in this moment because I genuinely believe everything is always working out. For me, and if this is not the thing that’s meant to be right now it means there’s something even better down the road. So cool. So let’s have fun with this. And let’s like, show up and have fun. And then who knows what will happen in the future. But I think it’s that an attachment to like things being so perfect that for myself, for a lot of people, right, I think a lot of women I work with everyone, we can get kind of caught up in perfectionism, and things have to turn out the way we thought they would. But when you can be kind of unattached and just more attached to like, feeling good and having fun and showing up in the moment. It’s, it’s a heck of a lot more enjoyable. And you end up

Brandon Handley 35:35
Yeah, listen, you could find yourself on spiritual dope, too, right?

Unknown Speaker 35:40
I love it.

Brandon Handley 35:41
But the deal is to have right like, I mean, that is, you know, the dude, you’re talking about that seven days of being connected. That is, that’s the spiritual high, right? That’s, that’s the, that’s what the spiritual dope is. That’s the hits. You know, when you got that meditation, and you’ve got that meditation buzz of man, I was just so connected, I was so aligned, I was so detached from, I don’t want to say worldly things. But I was so detached from all all the activity and things that I felt like we were talking earlier, like, oh, maybe I gotta go make another pose. Maybe I got to go do this, maybe I got I got, I’ve got 10 minutes, I can squeeze in like five posts, maybe I can I am in and check for emails, right. And instead of being like, like, your coach is saying, Go study your fucking self for a minute. Right? Like, you’re pretty special. Right? recognize that? You know, I think more recently, you know, some of the meditations that I’ll do would be like, how far can you visualize yourself out? Right? And I’d be like, oh, infinite, right? The edges of the universe? Yes. But then more recently, I was like, well, inside is just as infinite to like, how deep Can I go into myself, and it’s infinite. So it’s infinite internally as much. So like, that was there’s been like a new rocking revelation, right? Like, where you just kind of you go internally, and you just hang out with yourself. And you see that, like, you know, you are 100% connected to source at all times. And it’s like, you’re saying, it’s a choice to say, I’m connected in this moment, to the person to the lady that was on the call, or title for my own shit. And I could I could show up and be there for her, or be tied up my own shit. And again, you’re like, I’m gonna take this moment, be there for her. And be open for the intuition, the inspiration, what’s coming out of this that is meant to be like your best.

Elyse Archer 37:35
Yes. I don’t want to add something to what you said about just studying the depth of ourselves. So one of my girlfriends, her sister, passive cancer a couple years ago, and they were super close, super, super close. And I wouldn’t talk about this on most any podcasts. I’ll talk about it here because I feel like you’ll get it. So she her sister passed. And then a mutual friend of theirs, called my friend out of the blue a couple months later, and she was she was like, I don’t know, I just feel like I have to call you. And we needed to reconnect. And this, this woman also channels and connects with people on the other side. And suddenly, while they were talking, my friend’s sister Lauren started coming through her and say, like, really literally reconnecting with my friend and what Lauren was saying, was, she said, You have no idea how big we are. She said now that I’m on the other side now that I can see it. She said, imagine like zoom out look at your house. Imagine you’re looking at it from above. You see the house and then zoom out to the block and the street and then your city and then the world and then the universe. She said you’re so much bigger. She said we are so much bigger than we know. She said I can’t wait for you to see this and know this. But she was just like, it’s you should have this this one on your podcast, I can introduce you because it’s powerful. It’s so powerful. But that perspective from the other side of are so much bigger than we can even fathom. Have

Brandon Handley 38:59
you connected yourself to that yet? Um, have you had that experience for yourself?

Unknown Speaker 39:04
No. Have you I want to Oh, can can you tell me about

Brandon Handley 39:07
it? Because I mean, it’s you can’t right that’s the whole Yeah, you can’t that’s the whole like, mystery school mysticism. translate that thing now? I did do I did do one good podcast on it where I’m not sure if you’ve done breathwork yet.

Unknown Speaker 39:23
A little bit not

Brandon Handley 39:24
not a ton, but a little bit. It’s like it’s it’s it’s like, cracked out. Meditation. When done when done well, like when you when you nail you’ll know when you nail it because you’ll come out of it. Like, what the fuck just happened? And can I get more of that all the time? Anytime? And the answer is yes. Right. Which is also powerful because that’s just like, like I said, meditation force multiplied and add connections and scenes, that you know, in those moments, that that’s the That’s just like a knowing, right? Like, it can’t be anything other than that and and more back to what you were saying before is it doesn’t you don’t need an external validation for that type of thing. You know this as truth. Right and and so, yes, right and that’s the that’s the question all right and and you know, I had similar experience to where this actually so to Elise has meant guys just again so lease is a lease is actually responsible in part for spiritual dope as well I don’t know if I told you that or not it was the interview without What was her name last one you got me in contact with the spiritual

Unknown Speaker 40:41
Oh, Regina Yeah,

Brandon Handley 40:43
so I interviewed Regina for the prosperity practice which in its own right was fucking awesome. I did love it and actually enjoyed it. But I also realized that I was I was kind of, you know, trying to sell the people what they wanted, but then give them what they need. And finally, I was just like, you know what bucket like your friend, right? Like, a much bigger, you know, spirituality, right? our spirits are much bigger than our bodies and it’s self evident. There’s like, you know, recordings of it with just even just with your resonance, right? You talked about also like the mind, mind heart coherence, experience that often, right? And that’s through meditation, but again, like through a number of things, once you recognize how to connect that and resonate that piece, and then you’re like, oh, like, like, all the time like it just like, it’s so great. Anyway, so yeah, so I interviewed her. And I was like, Why? Why am I holding back? kind of the best part of me? The best part of like, what I believe, right? Because here was this, you know, here was this, you know, ex lawyer fucking doing it. Right? And I was like, why am I waiting? Right? For who? Who, who? And then this came all the way back from my first podcast. So anyway, so first podcast was like, who gives me the authority to do this, right? I do. You do. You give yourself the authority to be you, right? You know, to go out and do the things that you know, that you can do that you’re capable of that you’re called to do, right? And that’s what you’re doing now I get to be a witness to seeing you punch through like each layer of that shit, right. And that’s what’s been fun for me to kind of watch you too, because we’ve had I feel like kind of similar experiences in that way be like, like, this is all shit. I’m out of here. This is better, but and it’s not even leveling up. Right? It’s just finding yourself in a different space because even even to a different level of awareness to what already is. Right? It’s just and goes back to your belief system be like, how When do I get to the side? Like, there’s more? Well, there’s a whole universe that is currently yours at your disposal. How do you want to use it? Right? Do you want to use it if you if you again, if you want to use your human self have fun with that. Right? And you’ve experienced that? What do you want to do with your Divine Self? What do you want to do with your universal self? Like what other kind of mindset Can you put yourself into and there’s again, that’s unlimited to

Unknown Speaker 43:16
this is so good. Oh my god. Yes,

Brandon Handley 43:20
yes. Yes. So again, guys, it was Elise who connected me with Regina and then when I connected with Regina, my wife had a friend who was medium as well on channel with me so it was combination of my wife whose childhood friend who she connects me with my grandfather like my closest you know, kind of Anthony in my life and and doing it with Gina and like, it was like the the medium wrote like a coming out letter of like, mediumship, right, like to her family, like I’m coming out of the closet medium type thing. So I was like, I was like, You know what, fuck it I’m coming out of the closet like spirituality and we’re just we’re just gonna go do it and ever since Sinhalese blown up blown blown. I mean, just the doors been blown off the people I’ve connected with, you know, I just interviewed my man here. I released you know, and and that, that was no following intuition. There was a 215 phone number, which is a Philadelphia area phone number. I was like, You’re fucking up here. I’m calling. And I just called. I was like, I was like, I was like, Listen, I was like, I got like, you know, his pm and she was awesome. knew where she lived. We had this great conversation. I was like, I just got to let you know I love this book. I’ve gone through it like four or five times I leave groups on it, yada yada. Would he be open to being on the podcast and she goes, You know what he normally he hates them. But let me see what I can do. That’s so cool. But again, so thank you like this is kind of like a trivia tool, a lease podcast. A lot of a lot, a lot of things because it’s been a lot of fun and without your support. You know, in part, of course, like us, all other all other people that have been a part of the journey, but you’ve been a big part about it. So I thought I’d share that with you.

Elyse Archer 45:11
Thank you. Thank you. Well, any audience? Yeah. And I think to just to see kind of how you’ve, you’ve taken every step of your evolution and turn it into something that’s good for other people. And I think that’s really cool. Because I do think back to when we were first working together, and it was like, how do we sell more of these?

Brandon Handley 45:32
things? Right. But that goes back to what you were saying, like how, you know, there was like, you know, you were selling stuff, and you were doing it where like, there was like integrity issues. And it’s like, yeah, you could sell something. Yeah. Maybe you could overcome some objections. Yeah, you maybe get this person to do this thing. But like, in the end, at what cost to you? And who?

Elyse Archer 45:50
Yes, exactly, exactly. Like, what is it actually all about? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 45:55
Well, so how do you I mean, I think that leads into a really good piece. So So how do you do it now where you’ve got it all tied together, that you feel aligned with what you’re doing.

Elyse Archer 46:04
Um, I just really listened to what, what my body says about what whether it’s working with a particular client, whether it’s launching a program, and I don’t fault myself for changing my mind, either, like I launched something new with the rollout of my new brand that was actually it was based on what a shaman who I follow what he does, or just like a $10, weekly, I drop in, he goes a healing temple. And it’s so much I was like, Oh, we should have that for sales, that would be so much fun. So I did like a $10 weekly drop in sales training. And it’s been, it’s been fun, but it’s like the numbers started off really high. And then they kind of dwindled with the number of women who were coming every week. And I used to go into panic about that. And now it’s like, oh, cool, I’m being divinely guided to transform this into something else. So I’m transforming it into something slightly different a monthly membership, and women are signing up for that really fast. So it’s like, just knowing that it doesn’t have to be perfect. But if I take the, I listen to what I’m being told to do, I take the action, I’m not attached to it being that way forever. And then I just kind of keep receiving that guidance. And that’s how I’ve launched my programs. That’s how I choose which clients to work with. That’s how I chose my brand colors. Like all of it, it’s just all the

Brandon Handley 47:21
colors, by the way. Don’t go gold, white, and red, which are which are all pretty cool. Yeah, I like that too. Like you talked about, like, you know, being able to change like kind of like your your and and, you know, in the business world or be ready to pivot, pivot, pivot. But being able to pivot, right, being able to adjust on the fly is something that I think a lot of people have a challenge with, too. How do you help them to overcome that, like, be like, Oh, I made this decision to do this thing. And I was told to commit. And, man, if I, if I just stick with it, persistence, and yada, yada, yada. So how do you help somebody that’s stuck in that space?

Elyse Archer 48:01
Yeah, cash. And it’s tough to write because we hear self discipline and persistence. And there’s a lot of value. There’s a lot of value to those attributes, in a lot of ways, but I think sometimes we get, you know, you hear like sunk cost theory in business. So I’ve put so much time and energy into this. And we can hold on to something just because of that, just because we already invested a lot of money or a lot of time. And even in our core, if we know it’s no longer the right thing. So again, it comes down to intuition. And so if I’m working with the client, we kind of we look at, okay, if you were, if you were starting this today, would you do the same thing? Like if you were starting from scratch? Would you do the same thing? If the answer is yes, then it’s okay. You probably just need to keep going at it for longer. Like it’s just, it’s keep showing up, keep doing it know that just like you said, with the flower when you plant it, it’s gonna take a hot minute sometimes, and that’s okay. But if you’re being honest, and you wouldn’t do it again, the same way today, or you wouldn’t run this program today, or you wouldn’t. I mean, this is a big one, but you wouldn’t marry this person today. Right? Like, then I’m not counseling people and relationships. So take that for what it’s worth, but you kind of look at, okay, are you attached to this just because you’ve put so much time and energy into it? Or are you attached to it, because it’s actually what you’re meant to be doing. And it just needs a little more time to mature or grow or terminate.

Brandon Handley 49:23
I love that. I love being associated. Again, you know, I’m a big fan of the word grace these days. So give yourself a little grace and let you kind of, you know, let that let that life energy just go ahead and propagate the way that it’s supposed to. Right. And I love though, to that you’re saying you know, if you started today, would you still do this? Right? Because again, we we put all this energy into the sunk cost thing even like, well, the Titanic sinks, it’s sunk, right? Like I mean, fucking let it go. Right? They jump off the boat because it is sunk costs, and it hasn’t accelerated you or gotten you to where you think you should be by Now and if you were to, you know, kind of continue that trajectory, it’s down at this point, right? I love it. I love it. So, what, um, you know, let’s what is a, you know, a hit of spiritual dope for you like, you know what, you know, meditation, I mean, having, you know, maybe looking at your son, you know, what is what is something that, um, that’s just your pure hit a spiritual dope.

Elyse Archer 50:24
I mean, it’s totally hanging out with my son jack now like that’s just to see see the pureness of a little kid and to see how they just just their wholeness and their appearances, and his unfiltered laughter is so much fun. I absolutely love that. And then I think the other thing is just when I can show up and give or do something for somebody else that has nothing to do with me. And that’s actually, when I found myself a couple months ago, like going through some of that Panic of like, Oh, my God, am I doing making the wrong decision or the wrong choice? That’s part of how I would shift out of it is I would be like, What can I do for somebody else right now to get my head out of my ass and focus on what really matters. And that always, to me, that always helps. It’s that quick shift. It’s like, What can I do for someone else, whether it’s write a comment on their social media, whether it’s had a client who wants to book club, I was like, I’m gonna join my clients book club right now. And that’s gonna make him feel good when he looks in his inbox and sees that he’s got a new member. So just stuff like that. Right? It’s, it’s always kind of getting our focus off of ourselves.

Brandon Handley 51:31
I love this. I mean, it doesn’t have to be complex, right? You can go out there and kind of give of yourself and support somebody else in small meaningful ways. And you’re gonna feel better about yourself. Hmm,

Elyse Archer 51:42
yeah. Well, and it’s the whole Have you read the diamond cutter?

Unknown Speaker 51:46
No, I have not, oh, this

Unknown Speaker 51:48
will be a good one. I

Unknown Speaker 51:49
think you’ll be into this.

Elyse Archer 51:50
So the principle behind it is whatever you want for yourself, help someone else get it. So I’ve got my, my mastermind partner. She’s also going for seven figures in her business right now. So one of the things that I’ve done and I told her I was like, This is not entirely altruistic that I want to help you do this. Like, I’m really curious energetically how this works for me.

Brandon Handley 52:11
It’s interesting, though, at least, right? Like, when I started fatherhood, for the rest of us, it wasn’t for the pure reasons. Right? It really wasn’t and I can look back and I can say that right? I’m like, you know, I did this for all the wrong reasons. But I was doing the right things, even if it was for the right reasons, for all reasons. Yeah. And that kind of tilted the whatever right into into always say like, I’m like the Grinch my heart grew to sizes too large or whatever, right? Like it went from being like, you know, this thing to write. So I think that you and I think you know, are you know, when you collect new Java Roman back in the day, I remember him going into, you know, talking about that, right being like, what happens if you do the right things with like, the wrong reasons. Now, I would say and wrong reasons is really kind of hard. You can’t really say it’s for the wrong reasons. You’re really trying to do it for the benefit. Yes, of you. And of them, but like, you know, that kind of shakes off. Just Just for I mean, my experience has been that kind of shakes off like initially, it’s kind of like, I’m doing it mostly for me a little bit. You still feel okay, I’m doing it for like, you know, at least I’m not, you know, at least I’m not calling you an asshole, right? Like, you know, merger. Nobody’s a jerk. I’m doing all these things. And eventually, that it’s just kind of like rust away until like, this purity situation happens where like, that’s just becomes who you are. Right? So there’s really nothing wrong with like, trying on different clothes until you find the pair that fits.

Elyse Archer 53:38
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And I think it’s you always know because it’s the energy or doing something and like, how do you feel while you’re doing it? If you feel secretly like, with this, this friend of mine, who I’m helping, I’m just kinda like consulting and helping her for helping her hit seven figures in her business this year. It’s like, the energy that I feel around it when I do it. If I felt jealousy or if I felt scarcity or like, I should be spending the time on my own stuff. exactly what you’re talking about, right, like doing it for the wrong reasons. But I think it’s it’s, you can tell when you feel like whole excited, fulfilled, relaxed while you’re doing it. It’s really different.

Unknown Speaker 54:13
You are at ease. Yes,

Brandon Handley 54:15
you’re at ease and the things are easy. They’re simple. They’re fulfilling. Yeah, right. All right. Super awesome. As always to catch up with you. Unfortunately, we can’t stay on all day. So where can we send people to go find more Elise Archer,

Elyse Archer 54:33
thank you so much for having me. Elise. archer.com has all the things and then on all social media. I’m at Elise Archer. So with love, love, love to connect. I’ve got a podcast, she sells radio so people can check that out. It’s like sales with a healthy dose of spirituality.

Brandon Handley 54:49
Now, who would you say your ideal client is Elise?

Unknown Speaker 54:53
Hmm.

Elyse Archer 54:55
It’s often a younger me. And I’m not saying that in an egotistical way. It’s just I can really help them. A woman because I know

Unknown Speaker 55:00
what’s going on.

Elyse Archer 55:02
So it’s typically going to be a woman who is either a business owner or she’s in sales, she’s looking to break through her first six figures. And it’s like, something’s not quite clicked there. But she’s ready. And she’s probably a little bit turned off by a lot of what she’s being taught from either corporate sales training or from the book she’s reading and it just doesn’t quite feel right to her and she’s like, could I reach my goals in a way that actually feels really good to me and other people and I love helping that type of woman so that’s my ideal client.

Brandon Handley 55:32
awesome guys. Go

check out Lisa’s especially, you know, if you meet that description, I can promise you that, uh, you know, it’ll work out for you. Right? guarantee that, you know, to go through some of the coaching or some of the programs that Elise has offered, they will be valuable to you.

Unknown Speaker 55:48
Thank you, my friend. Thank you. This has been wonderful.

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I had the opportunity to speak with Kat Kim recently… we had a blast! Be sure to listen in to hear all about her spiritual journey!

From her about page:

I serve the Spiritual Nonconformist, the misfit, the misunderstood.  

In other words, the changemaker.

For over ten years I’ve applied what I know about behavioral change and spiritual transformation to help my clients create radical, nonconformist change in their lives.

My approach is based on Hermetic Philosophy, New Thought teachings, and the wisdom passed down through the ages by Buddha, Jesus Christ, and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

(And Chomsky. Can’t forget Chomsky.)

connect with Kat over at https://www.katkim.com/

Insta: @katkimofficial

FB: @MissKatKim

Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley, your hosts here with cat cam and I’m gonna flip it for the new year. Normally I introduced but, you know, cat cam once you go ahead and give the audience a little feel for what you’re all about.

Kat Kim 0:18
Okay? Hello, everyone. I am a former crack addict and drug dealer facing three years in state prison turned a spiritual teacher leadership coach, I founded a school called the School of divine confidence. I am the person that will help you overcome your fears, blocks and shame. So you can step into that best version of yourself where you can truly make a difference.

Brandon Handley 0:43
I mean, you opened right up with it. I love that. So we’ll definitely get into it. So the way I like to start this off with to say like, you know, universe power, creative source, all that stuff speaks through us right and and our message is received to somebody out there in the audience today, it can only come through this medium. What is your message today?

Kat Kim 1:03
My message today is that each and every one of us has this indescribable, of limitless power that we have access to. And most of us give up, give that power away. Most of us give that power away to the outside world of circumstances and physical things and elections and all the madness. You know, pandemics out there. But I have defined divine confidence to be an having an unshakable faith and knowing who you are, and what you’re here to do, regardless of what’s going on in the world outside of you. And I really, truly believe that we all have access to that divine confidence.

Brandon Handley 1:48
100% Amen. Amen. I love I love to like the clear delineation of you have access to it. Right? Everybody’s got access to it. It is fairly innate. Right? But it’s like, you still it’s you just don’t know it until you access it. Right? Like, holy shit. This has been here the whole time. Yeah. And I love that you’ve got this Divinity School. Like I said, we have a lot in common. I too have a course on divinity. Right? Like, it’s just it’s straight up just called the divine framework. But why don’t you give me a little bit of what your divinity school teaches? You know, kind of how you landed on it, that kind of thing. Yeah,

Kat Kim 2:29
I Well, can I start with where I began?

Unknown Speaker 2:33
This would you man.

Kat Kim 2:36
Thank you. There’s a backstory to this. When I was six years old, my mother began feeding me diet pills. And this was kind of like the lifelong like the beginning of a lifelong struggle of low self confidence, horrible body image, no self worth, I was barely tall enough one day to, you know, put my hands on the kitchen counter. And I remember one day looking up at her. And she was cutting something at the kitchen, on the board on the cutting board. And I asked her, What are you doing? And she said, Well, these are diet pills. And these are for adults. And since you’re only a child, you only need to eat half of them. So she she continued to cut them. And I did not question her. I did not think there was something wrong with it. I just fully accepted in that moment that there was something wrong with me and my body and that I needed something outside of me in order to be okay. So I began to feel absolutely ugly, fat, unwanted and unworthy. All by the time I was in second grade, really. And my also grew up in a very emotionally and physically abusive environment. And I started rebelling at a really young age, I started doing started drinking and smoking at 13 doing hardcore drugs at 16. And by the time I was 18, I was dealing cocaine. And I was transporting it from Washington State to California. on the plane, this is pre 911 it was really easy to do this and not that I’m giving you guys ways to do it. But the way I did it was I just snuck the drugs inside of maxi pads. So it’ll be weird if

Brandon Handley 4:18
you did that. I pulled it off. But I mean, listen with these days and ages. I’d be like I identify as and and you know who’s gonna try and you know, you can’t you can’t fight that. Yeah, yeah.

Kat Kim 4:30
So, one day I got caught. I was arrested. I was handcuffed in Oakland, California, of all places. Oakland at that time was notorious for its high rates of homicides and violent crimes. Now, I was right there in the middle of that. And I was absolutely fearless. But it wasn’t the type of fearlessness that comes from courage. The root word of courage is courage, which is the heart. It didn’t come from there. It came from a place of having absolutely no reason. Guard from my life, my future my health, my body, I didn’t care. I didn’t give a damn what happened to me I was on the fast track of self destruction, I had no confidence, no self worth. And so while I was in jail, I was like, I want to network while I’m here, I’m in Oakland, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, you know, make some deals while I can. So

Brandon Handley 5:19
that’s like the central hub, right? All the people, you finally made it when you get to Oakland, right? You’re like, Hey, you know, I’m here, I made it. Home spa.

Kat Kim 5:32
Never thought of it that way. When it’s so true. I was like, I’m here in Oakland, I’m gonna make I’m gonna make the most of it as I can. So even while I was there, facing three years in state prison, I was like, I’m just going to try to make some drug deals while I’m here while I was here. While I was there. I pled guilty. During that time, I went to the part of my whole thing they give you know, they made me go to rehab for two years. Long story short, I cleaned up the drugs. But this feeling of not being good enough, having no self worth, no self value, stayed with me. It didn’t go anywhere. It was part of who I was. And so I started getting involved in really toxic relationships with men that were emotionally abusive. This entire time. Brandon, I hated the way I looked, I walked around like I was the meanest, nastiest bitch alive. And of course, because I believe that to be true about myself, I attracted everything into my life that validated those beliefs. And it really wasn’t until many years after getting out of jail cleaning up that I was walking down my apartment hallway one day, at that time, I was very, very depressed could barely even move. I remember one day I was trying to like lift my body off of the couch. And I couldn’t because it was like this dark energy pushing me down. Somehow, that particular day, I managed to get up, I was going somewhere I don’t even know where. And I was walking down my apartment hallway to my elevator. And there’s this mirror that hangs on the wall, top to like ceiling to floor, huge mirror. And walking down, I look up and I caught a glimpse of somebody standing in the hallway. And I see her in the mirror. And she’s just kind of really uncapped, and she’s wearing big baggy clothes, Her face is really swollen and puffy. And even while I was wallowing in my own toxicity at that time, I was depressed and, you know, essentially just hating life. I remember just looking at her and thinking, Oh, my God, at least I’m not that bad. And there was something about her, it wasn’t even just how she looked, it was this deep, dark energy that was coming from her that made me feel like my goodness, at least I haven’t gotten that far. And it hit me like a ton of bricks, there was nobody else in that hallway. There was nobody there. It was me, I had become so disconnected with who I wanted to be as a woman who I was being called to be and who I was being that I didn’t even recognize myself when I saw myself in the mirror. And finally, that was my wake up call. And this is you know, sounds overly dramatic. But this is literally how it happened. I walked into the elevator. And now you know, I’m facing that wall with the mirror so I can see myself in the mirror. And the elevator doors are closing in on me like this. And I said, This is the moment that I’m going to do whatever it takes to become the person that I want it to be.

Brandon Handley 8:25
No, I love that. Right? Like, even even if, even if, like you know, it sounds dramatic. That’s your moment that you chose. Right? That was your, your Pinnacle point, right? I think that. I think that when you recognize that too, as you as you’re going through it, you’re like, no, this is my shit. And this is what I’m gonna do. And here’s how I’m gonna do it. I don’t know how it’s gonna work out. I just know that I’m stepping into it, and I don’t fuck it. That’s it. Right. I’m done. I’m a high school dropout left that part out. And then the other part was, was when you went in. It’s not San Quentin, but I just wanna say San Quentin. Brooklyn, what do you want to Oakland? Was that from the bus ride after after? When you turn yourself in? Or was that something else? Did you know about that story? Oh, man. I poked around. I did.

Kat Kim 9:24
Yeah, that was that. Was that that? Was that? That one moment? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 9:29
Okay, so so i think i think that’s really key here. Because you are at like, this kind of desperate moment. But you’re also still very humane. Right? Like, so. For those of you that don’t know, you know, she got a bus driver and shovel for sniffing some coke on the side of the side of the road. Cops knock on their they bust the cop who’s a black guy. She’s Asian. And like, even in that time, you’re like, you’re like, Hey, I’m Asian. These biases should still look a mess out there. And you go in and you’re like, hey, by the way, this is my drugs. He had nothing to do with it. So you you kept him from getting into jail and you put yourself in a position and my guess is like, again, you’re kind of like, you’re juxtapose them between being this badass and being like, Well, I’m not gonna let that guy go and for me,

Kat Kim 10:14
yeah, it was it was a trip. So this was Yep. I got off the plane when one day. I had my drugs in tow. Pete feathers?

Brandon Handley 10:26
How much were you? How much were you? carting around? Just out of curiosity?

Kat Kim 10:29
Oh, um, I don’t even remember. But I remember at one point, I had a kilo, which is

Brandon Handley 10:35
a lot more than a little bit. Yeah,

Kat Kim 10:36
yeah. Oh, yeah. For sure. I didn’t get caught with that kilos, though. That was,

Brandon Handley 10:42
that would have been longer than three. Yeah.

Kat Kim 10:44
It was longer. But that one day, I got off the airplane. got onto the shuttle bus. And you know, what, uh, what’s the I always fuck these words up? Like, these American idioms for birds of a feather flock together? Right? That’s, that’s it? Okay. Sure. Somehow, I ended up being the last person being dropped off. I’m sitting in the front with the driver. We somehow started. I mean, who starts talking about drugs? Well to druggies. They get together

Brandon Handley 11:14
in conversation.

Kat Kim 11:14
Yeah, somehow it just came up and and I was like, Oh, yeah, I have some cocaine. He was like, Oh, really. So he pulls over the the shuttle bus into the Oakland Hills. And I proceed to pull some cocaine out. He puts it into a piece of paper. He doesn’t really weird. I’ve never seen anyone smoke. Or, you know, sniff cocaine this way. It was just bizarre. Anyway, whatever, you know, you do you. So he, he pulls it out, he does it. And then right at that moment, there’s a flashlight that’s beaming in in the window. And it was two cops. Because very strange. There’s a random bus in the Hollywood Hills just parked there. And he, he literally got red caught red handed, it was in his hands, and he threw it on the floor. The cops pulled him out. And they arrested him. They told me to sit on, you know, outside on this rock. And I’m sitting there and I’m watching this whole thing unfold. And I’m like, Oh, my God, like, I’m gonna get away with this. And then what I did was I I’m gonna I better, I better walk, you know, so I pulled the rest of the cocaine that I had in my purse. And I saw it behind me in a rock behind the rock. I was like, I’m not gonna get caught with this. And as I’m watching this whole thing, unfold, all of a sudden, I get this, this voice in my head, and then it tells me the truth will set you free. And I’m like, the fuck are you? Seriously? You’re gonna you whoever you are. You’re gonna cut off all the time.

Unknown Speaker 12:46
Right? Yes, exactly. Now’s not the time.

Kat Kim 12:50
And I didn’t believe in God or spirit. I wasn’t even nothing. I wasn’t spiritual. At that time. I haven’t gone I

Brandon Handley 12:57
we I

Kat Kim 12:59
wasn’t high. Okay. Yeah, I was just a girl sitting there getting free, because all of a sudden, it came. And I just knew in that moment, it was God. But I would never admit that and not even tell the story for years and years and years and years. Because I didn’t believe in God, it would be weird for me to say God came and told me this. But at that time, I was just I just knew that God said, The truth will set you free. And I was like, fuck. So I called the two cops over and I told them, Hey, you got to let this guy go. Those drugs are mine. They were flabbergasted. They were like, What are you talking about? And I was like, no, they’re really mine. And, and I mean, the guy was already handcuffed and booked and put in the car. And they didn’t believe me. And so I went back into the behind the rock. I was like, Look, this stuff is mine. And then I was like, and there’s more in my luggage beside the car. And so there were they just were like, we you know, because there was one of the cops was like, You know what, I would let you go. But now there’s another cop with me. I can’t even we have to take you in. And that’s when I had all these like, I realized that kind of the inequity of the whole situation here I was Asian girl and there was, you know, a brown man, I’m like, he would have been fucked up and screwed. And I wasn’t being a martyr or anything like that. But I just knew that this was my journey. It was for me, all of that came to me in that moment that this is my journey. This was for me. It was not for him. And then I had to take ownership of this. So they arrested me and then they read me my Miranda rights, which is a whole nother thing. You you hear people you hear like the cool cop catching the bad guy on TV and movies and you hear the Miranda you know, the rights being read all the time. You know, you have the right to remain silent and whatever. But to hear it being read to us just bizarre. That was the most bizarre part.

Brandon Handley 15:00
I don’t want to say that I’ve heard it before, but I’ve heard it before. It’s very surreal. Right? It’s very

Unknown Speaker 15:05
surreal

Unknown Speaker 15:07
for me, thank you. So

Kat Kim 15:09
it was so weird. And they proceeded to book me and take me into, into sanguine. Yeah, yeah, yes. Yeah. So that’s my, that’s my story there. And the funny thing of all that Brendon is like, I just, I wasn’t scared. In the cop car. I just knew that this was a journey made for me. And I wasn’t afraid of what was what was yet to come.

Brandon Handley 15:37
I mean, that’s cool, right? It’s, it’s cool in the sense that, you know, you just you put yourself out there, right? You were probably already still feeling this kind of Fuck it. I’m hard as hell does, you know, I’m Cat Cat Cat can pitch. Right? Right. And you’re like, you’re like, you know, you’re on in and you’re still like, you know, drug dealers, drug dealers, and you’re, you’re having your conversations, you’re still trying to network while you’re in there. Just because I mean, that’s just that’s just the nature of that space, right, the space that you were in. So what I’m curious about those I said, you go on for two years of rehab. That’s a long time for rehab. But what’s interesting is, to me is how you came out of it with a poor self image. Because in my mind, you know, if you if you go through two years of kind of like a rehab program, they should have this kind of building you back up as part of the program. And it doesn’t sound like that was there sounded like the only thing that they were there to do is to make sure that you don’t do drugs again.

Kat Kim 16:43
Yeah, yeah. Well, oh, there’s so many ways I could talk about this thing that you’re bringing up right now. Firstly, do I want to share this part of the story, okay. So I will might as well, as part of the program, you’re supposed to go to Narcotics Anonymous, and you know, you’re supposed to get signed off and all that. And I went to my first meeting, I went to two of them. And, again, I just had this sense of knowing like, this is not for me. And I do not advise anyone to do this. I’m not sharing this so that people will follow this. But I just, I just knew it wasn’t for me. So I didn’t go and I ended up forging the signatures. So I didn’t do that portion of it. And rehab was good for me because I had to not do drugs because I didn’t do pee tests every week. So I I cleaned up the drugs. But that feeling of not being good enough unworthy, unwanted, ugly, that that doesn’t go away, just because you go to rehab, as we all know, I mean, if that if it were that easy, then we wouldn’t have these issues with people in their in their addictions to whether it’s drugs or alcohol or shopping, whatever that is, the sense of not being good enough and unworthy. I took that on at a really young age. That was handed down to me from my parents, generational trauma, that type of thing. And that that is what stuck with me all through these years and into my adult life.

Brandon Handley 18:17
Yeah, you mentioned that as part of your culture too. Right. Like just kind of the same in your own culture. Right. Crane? Is that right?

Kat Kim 18:25
Yeah, yeah. So

Brandon Handley 18:26
just being you know, from generation to generation, there’s a you know, just a different sense of being and kind of what you have to live up to, in your heritage versus American slacker ism.

Unknown Speaker 18:36
Right?

Brandon Handley 18:38
Call it what it is, you know, y’all know about slacker ism. But um, so you’re still fighting like that kind of image. And then, you know, we’re working our way up to the Divinity School. But I know that there’s a couple other pieces in between this wants to go ahead and share kind of what happens after rehab, and you’re still fighting with your image.

Kat Kim 18:57
Yeah, so it’s that, you know, I’m getting involved in really toxic relationships with people. There’s just it was so so unhealthy. And it was that moment. Again, it was it wasn’t until that moment, I was walking down my apartment hallway, I saw that version of myself, that was not really me, but that had been living my entire life. And that was that moment where I decided I would do whatever it takes to become the woman that I wanted to be to be. I wanted to be beautiful. I want to be powerful. I wanted to make an impact and transform lives. And I wanted to walk into a room and have people notice me not forget that I ever existed, because that’s who that’s usually what would have happened at that time. And so, I began studying everything under the sun around transformation. I was so upset I became obsessed about transformation. So I became a professional certified image consultant, I began to study like colors and style. Like how do you accentuate the most beautiful part A person’s face and body instead of hiding yourself all the time. And then I became a nationally certified personal trainer to understand what the body goes through to undergo to undergo transformation. And this kept on taking me deeper and deeper. And then I became a transformative life coach, I studied three years about the mindset and you know how our thoughts and our feelings impact our, our behavior and our results. And interestingly, this quest for transformation on the outside kept taking me deeper and deeper inside into the world of spirituality, metaphysics and quantum physics, where I discovered that everything that we are seeking on the outside everything, whether it’s more money, better relationships, better health, all of that, all of that does not exist unless it exists on the inside, in the metaphysical world, beyond the physical within our minds and our hearts. And this is where I discovered that if we want something in the outside world, that thing is not going to happen unless we it’s within us unless we’re embodying that thing. That’s where I discovered where transformation happens the quickest and the easiest, and and then on another level, Brandon, it’s like this. I just because I was so obsessed about like finding the source of all things I discovered. Without knowing it. And without wanting this, I discovered that the source of all things is his spirit, or God, I

Brandon Handley 21:35
was gonna I was gonna try. I was gonna try and garble it out there. And you know, maybe I’ll have to, like beep it out or something. She gave us the answer, but nobody knows.

Unknown Speaker 21:45
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 21:46
yes. Yes. Um, so, yes, yes. And yes. I love it. Right, like so. I’ll let you continue, then I’ll then I’ll then I’ll throw some more stuff at you.

Kat Kim 21:57
Yeah, yeah. Well, and this is what I discovered where divine confidence comes from. It’s an unshakable faith in knowing who you are and what you’re here to do, regardless of what’s going on in the world outside of you. That means regardless of how much money you have, regardless who the President is, regardless of a global pandemic, regardless of your past and your history, and all the mistakes and you know, things that you’ve done, divine confidence is is is this unshakable faith and knowing who you are and what you’re here to do. And this is why this is where I’ve committed myself to helping other women, other people like me go through that same transformation, and that’s where I founded the School of divine confidence. But I primarily work with people kind of like myself, non conformists, misfits, people who’ve always felt like they’ve had one side, one side.

Brandon Handley 22:48
So you, nonconformists, misfits, I was listening to you earlier today. And I thought at first I thought you said nonconformist mystics. I was like, well, that’s cool, too. Like, it could be nonconformist mistakes. I mean, yeah, I would have to say a mystic is a non conformance by like, you know, default, but like, why not like non conformance mistakes as well. So continue?

Kat Kim 23:08
spot on, spot on? Absolutely. Yeah. All of the above? Um, yeah, you know, I work I work with people who’ve always felt like they’ve had to fit in, but they don’t, and they’re always trying to conform, but they can’t. Those are the people that I love. And I actually call my people, misfits and mutants. Because when, when one time one of my clients called me Professor X, and he said, You are like Professor X, you you see what, you know, the the gift in people, but you only work with mutants, like that. So spot on.

Unknown Speaker 23:44
Yeah,

Brandon Handley 23:44
I get it. You know, I think that’s got to be the deal is it’s funny, you know, so my kind of my five words or whatever kind of value prop or whatever, you whatever you want to do with it marketing? Or just my words, right? It’s courage like understanding and and really those people that don’t fit in it’s because like, is it their soul contract that like, I mean, sounds to me, like you never really found like your space, right? But that’s because like, the space that’s been set out there is like a space of conformity. And you’re just like, yeah, it doesn’t fit. It sucks to be sitting on the outside, but in the end, I’m super glad I never fucking made it aim. Yeah, right. Like, I mean, I’m a high school dropout as well. That’s something I don’t think that I’ve shared yet. On this audience had my fair share of drugs in hand and sold my fair share, but I mean, look, you know, it’s also like you say, who we were yesterday, and all those years before it says that’s not like my growth trajectory. I’m like, Yeah, that’s it was fun. I you know, I can never tell you that I didn’t have a good I had a great fucking time. I had a blast. Had some moments of tears and shit that sucked. Yeah, but like, I mean, that just comes with any territory that you run up against. But then you talk about mindset coach like becomes like doing this mindset coaching. Can we say that? Going through your debating course even though we haven’t talked about it yet just based off of kind of how I run mine is like, divinity is a mindset. Right? Once you tap into the divine, you’re like, well, like that’s that’s spirit. That’s source. That’s all encompassing. That’s infinite. Yeah. I think I’m gonna be alright. Yeah, right. Like the whole the whole the whole, like, I’m gonna get my worries over to God even though I like I’m not a Christian. I’m like, I buy into that. Like I’m like, Yes. So the subconscious you talk about it covers 95% of like, all of our stuff, right? Not to mention, pumps, our blood grows our hair. Yeah, there’s all this stuff. I don’t know how that works. Yeah, I’m doing it. And if I can do this, yeah, what else am I capable of? Yeah, right. Yeah. I mean, cuz I’m like, whatever. So um, but everybody has that open to them. So I’m curious. You know, I want to hear you talk. And this just could be me like I hear thinking grow rich. I hear Bob Proctor in the background. Huh? Do I Do you? Are you thinking grow rich and Bob Proctor fan at all? Any of those?

Unknown Speaker 26:25
I will.

Brandon Handley 26:27
I hear you say like burning desire and stuff like that, like, you know,

Kat Kim 26:30
oh, you know, that’s I read thinking grow rich. I read that a long time ago. For sure. I know, Bob Proctor? Um,

Brandon Handley 26:40
who are your favorite? Like, who are your big teachers that made you like really? Get it? Like when was like the moment like you? You talked about being like, here’s your my drugs. I’m hiding behind the rock guys. I’m like, Hey, I’m in your head. You’re like, not right now. Not today. But you’re like, I’m not gonna tell anybody that it’s God. When were you able to say you know, comfortably? Hey, I’ve had conversations with God. And that’s all spirit. And what got you there?

Kat Kim 27:04
So that’s good question. Because at that time, I didn’t even believe I didn’t know that.

Brandon Handley 27:09
Yeah. So when when did you When did you say all right? Okay, fine. I’ll let people know. Right? We’re seeing each other. I’m saying, God.

Kat Kim 27:18
When did I come out of that God closet? Right. Yeah. Um, so I began, like really diving into spiritual studies over 10 years ago, you know, yeah, I read, thinking Grow Rich, I read all the books, I read all the books, you know, law of attraction, and Esther Hicks and all that. But I started to really, really dive even deeper about five years ago, there’s been a while maybe we’ll save this for another podcast episode. But there was another thing, a big huge ship that just shit hit the fan in my life on another level, during that time. And I literally was brought to the ground on my knees. at a certain time in my life, when I knew I was absolutely powerless. And I had nothing. There was nothing I can do. And the only thing I could do was finally just like, like you said earlier, actually, you hit the nail on the head, like surrender. I the only thing I can do right now is to surrender to this thing. I don’t know if you’re out there, God, but this is you know, it’s so fucked up right now. It’s almost funny. Here. Just take it it was

Brandon Handley 28:24
this, right? Yeah,

Kat Kim 28:24
it was almost like that it got to that point where it was. There’s almost like a freedom to it. I didn’t know whether it was gonna work or not. But I think that was actually the key. I was like, yeah, it can’t get any worse than this.

Unknown Speaker 28:39
Well,

Brandon Handley 28:41
it didn’t turn out that way. For you. That’s good. Right? You know, the deal is, though, is like you you handed it over without expectations, right? You handed it over, and you’re like, you know what, I absolutely surrender. I’m not doing such a good job with this by myself. Right? And I’d like to say like, you know, I definitely want to talk more about your school divinity. But like, you know, once you kind of, you know, we act as humans before, before we access this source energy in this space, right? We act as human and we deal with all these worldly things, right? And you hear all the time again, not like a super huge Bible guy, but like, you know, you can’t do it through worldly means you like, and then you’re like, but I could do it through spiritual means. Yeah, right. I could do it through like metaphysical means. And then you also talked about like, you know, kind of this level of success, you’ve got to have a level of belief that you can actually achieve that and well, if I look at my history of just Brandon and what have I achieved by myself, right? Maybe not all that I want to achieve I can do by myself. So if I just go ahead and I take in a little bit of God a little bit of divinity and then what am i capable of right like what what can we you know, we can go down like you know, the The Wizard of Oz, right, like arm and arm like skipping down the yellow brick road. Right, like, then we’re done. We’re a trio and then there’s like a time team of us doing something versus Brandon, the human and his worldly ways?

Kat Kim 30:04
Well, yeah, so check this out this Oh, this is I remember now clearly what the turning point for me when I went from spiritual mainstream law of attraction to

Unknown Speaker 30:15
Yes, yeah next level

Kat Kim 30:17
to the next level. One of the things that that one of the handful of things that was happening for me at that time was my niece got arrested for the same crime. on another level like she updated me. I was like, Oh, look at you. Same drugs, more of it more serious. And almost in the same area of Northern California. And her bail was $1 million. And I just became frantic. I was like, Oh, my God, I have to get her out of there. I don’t know what to do. The bill was at $1 million. It was a very, very difficult time for me. Like I said, though, that was just one of the things. There was a couple other things that was happening. I’ll just say it my dad, I discovered my dad had a gambling addiction. And we were $250,000 in debt. So there was like things happening.

Brandon Handley 31:10
So you so you called us just so it sounds like Yeah. And then and then I mean, I don’t mean I don’t mean to like call it out. But again, with with their culture to compounding that.

Kat Kim 31:21
Yeah, exactly. Hush, Hush. Nobody talks about it, don’t anybody. I mean, so much shame wrapped in all of these things. And I got to the point, like I said, where I was like, I don’t, I can’t, there’s nothing I can do. I can’t stop my father from gambling. There’s nothing I can do about my knees. I don’t have a million fucking dollars, by the way. Right? So I went to that part. Yeah, I went to my spiritual center, I started going to a spiritual center at that time, almost as everyday, as much as I could, because I needed some sort of sanctuary. And they had a prayer box. And the spiritual leader at that time said, if you need a prayer, you know, put remote Don’t forget, don’t forget to put a prayer in the prayer box, I thought was bullshit. I walked by it. It wouldn’t hurt. I have nothing else to do except for wallow in my pity and my anger right now. So I wrote on a little tiny piece of paper. I need a million dollars or I wrote something like my nieces. And you know, her bail is $1 million. I need help. Please pray for me. I don’t know what to do. I wrapped it up and put it in the prayer box. Lo and behold, that $1 million bail, it went down to 500,000. And then they wanted me to appear in court. I went to court with my brother, my brother’s daughter. And while we were at court, they brought that $1,500,000 to 020.

Brandon Handley 32:53
That’s awesome, right like me. So that’s it. That’s and and so were you at a level where you could look at it that way yet.

Kat Kim 33:01
I was beginning to see. What was that? If that’s not an answered prayer, I don’t know what what is. And this will happen in a very short amount of time. It wasn’t like I put this prayer and the prayer box. And then a year later, it was like I put the prayer in there. And then six weeks later, boom, that $1 million went to zero. And of course, who knows what I don’t know the legalities of all of whatever. But in my mind, it was that the burden of $1 million that was lifted from my shoulders. And I was like

Brandon Handley 33:38
you said I think that’s the thing too, right? Like, it doesn’t matter what it looks like from the outside. That’s been your experience. And you know what, like, I mean for somebody to be like, well, that’s coincidence. Oh, that’s just the way the law works. You’d be like, Yeah, but I put a prayer and a prayer box. Maybe you didn’t catch that. Right. And so I think I think that’s the other thing that I want to chat with you a little bit about too, right? Because again, so let’s see high school dropout drugs, bad choices, bad choices.

Unknown Speaker 34:08
And then

Brandon Handley 34:11
you know, I ended up having my family and had a little epiphany in the middle there as us come along but before I came into this podcast and this base literally just in this past year I was doing something called the prosperity practice right like based off it based off the Esther Hicks game right have $100 in your pocket and yada yada and it was I was very very seldom what they want give them what they need, right like because everybody everybody you talk about this I want to talk about to the the spiritual consumerism right but like everybody just wants like, you know, everybody wants all the stuff but like they don’t want the rest of the shit that goes with it. I don’t I still I’d love to hear more on that but I was like, you know what I was like I’m hiding behind the saying and it’s much more than just like this law of attraction and even when I was doing it, mine was more along the lines of Like neville goddard and like some of these other people, right, like, yeah. And then I just fucking, I just, I just let it go. I was like, you know what I was like, I was like this, it’s all spiritual. To me. It’s all like, that’s what it is. And I’m gonna lead with spirituality, and see where it goes. And ever since I did it, like it’s just blown up. I mean, nobody reached out to me when I was in prosperity practice, you’ve reached out to me, people reach out to me, like left and right to be on spiritual dope. And it’s just like, so it’s just like, it’s like, it’s fucking crazy, right? Because now, like, when you’re like, in alignment with spirit and your purpose, and yourself then just starts to happen. And you’re like, Well,

Kat Kim 35:38
yeah,

Brandon Handley 35:39
where’s this coming from? Right? That was the other piece I want to ask you to was like, um, you know, when you talk about your, your divinity school, right and and getting into is there is there a piece in there where it’s, you’ve got the self confidence, and all that is there a piece in there where you delve into purpose as well?

Kat Kim 35:59
Oh, 100%, it’s all it’s all purpose. It’s all purpose. And that’s part of the framework where I help people, I just want to teach give my students the skills to know how to reach their own divine confidence at any given moment at any given time. And I think that’s the, you know, the false belief that our purpose is something is a one time thing. And that it’s something that we, you know, our purpose is going to be this thing that we do for the rest of our life. And, and that’s actually not the case. That’s, that’s the opposite of spirituality. Spirituality is being in the moment and the here and the now and being present to the gifts and what’s whatever is wrong with you. In this moment, as we know, there’s no, there’s no, if you’re regretting the past and your future tripping, then you’ve, you’ve missed the point of this present moment. So, you know, part of one of the things that I teach is that your purpose is not in the future. It’s right here, it’s right now. And if you can, if you can, if you know how to ground into that and become present to that, what else do you need, and just like you shared, like, once you, you know, align with that, then everything unfolds naturally and easily. And that’s what I think a lot of people, most people have a hard time grasping. It’s that surrendering and letting go of having your their hands in all the details and having to know how everything is going to happen with us, because how it looks on the outside. Right, exactly.

Brandon Handley 37:26
So so what you see on the outside, you see other people doing on the outside? That’s, you know, I can use some examples, like when you know, what, are still working sales. When I see historically, like people like acting frantically, it’s always going to be frantic for that person, right? Like, yeah, that person is always on fire, this person is always this way, this is always going to happen for that person. Because we talked you talked about earlier, like, you know, your level of belief is, oh, I have to do it this way. This is the way I’ve had success before. If I don’t metal the whole time, then it’s just not gonna happen for me. Right. But like, it doesn’t have to be you. Yeah, as a matter of fact, it’s not you. It’s maybe maybe it’s initiated through you, but like, you work with a team, most likely of other people. Yeah, you don’t have to, you know, be on them. But again, you’re, if you’re tapped into your purpose, and you’re live with that, and you’re, you’re, you’re you’re rolling with Jesus, or whatever, you know, whatever you’re doing, right, and you’re tapped in the source, and you can kind of step back for a second and let it like, gently unfold and it will. Yeah, but try telling somebody that. Yeah,

Kat Kim 38:36
well, that’s part of, you know, that’s part of kind of this toxic masculinity energy that we’ve all been kind of fed into what I mean by that there’s the masculine, and there’s the feminine, and they’re both equally beautiful and powerful, right? But when the masculine energy is about, like, you know, is very linear. It’s taking action, it’s finding something and moving towards it. Regardless, the feminine energy is about allowing, it’s about letting it’s about being right. The masculine energy is about volition. So you see something, you go for it. So in this world right now, we that’s it’s become toxic, where we’re meaning we’ve taken everything, and we’ve turned it into something that we have to set a goal and we have to make it happen, regardless of who gets harmed in the way

Brandon Handley 39:26
out of success. You’re not a success if you set a goal and achieve it. Right.

Kat Kim 39:32
Exactly, exactly. So now we’ve we’ve all been conditioned to believe that that’s the only way and the one way that we achieve success that we have to set that goal, we have to go for it. We have to power through it, just do it. I mean, we see it all over in marketing, but we see this now in our government, we see this in extractive capitalism, we see this, you know, and what I mean by extractive capitalism going for, like reaching, you know, revenue goals, regardless of who gets harmed in the way we go. So the natural resources that we demolish along the way, so it’s this, it’s not a person, it’s not a it’s not a political party. It’s just the collective energy that we’ve all kind of we’ve all been part of, and we’ve all molded into. And spirituality has also been kind of swept into that as well. And that’s where I came to see that. Even spirituality can be toxic when it’s just about what do I want to manifest? How much money in the big house and all of that? And what what, how am I going to think positive, and bypass all the issues that come along with this type of lifestyle, not going to talk about that, but I just want to create the life that I want. And I’m going to use spirituality to do it. And now I’m spiritual.

Brandon Handley 40:49
And that’s true, right. But I mean, again, like there’s, it’s funny, my wife and I were talking earlier, like there’s a different level two, where it sounds like you’ve achieved right, like you’ve gone through, you know, you’ve gone through that phase, right? Like, it sounds like you went through that phase with like, you know, Esther Hicks and law of attraction, right? And But you came out on like, the other end of it, right? Where we’re sure it’s okay to want. But the idea to, you know, want a want without attachment to the outcome, right? Like, yeah, I’d love this to happen, right? This would be great. I’m gonna go work towards it. But I’m totally cool. If it doesn’t turn out the way I envisioned it. Right, it could and then maybe accepting that outcome, right, like the outcome they come in, came out pretty cool. Right? Or just being like, Alright, we’re gonna try a different way. Right. But not getting caught up in that?

Kat Kim 41:43
Yeah. Well, that’s what I was gonna say. But the problem is, is most people are attached, doesn’t

Brandon Handley 41:47
it? Yeah. 100% Yeah, yeah. But you know, that’s, that’s the same thing as even even creating a goal, the challenge because people are like, they’re afraid to share what they even want, even writing it on paper to themselves, because they’ve always been taught, Hey, you got enough, you should be happy. You’re, you know, even some of your words, right? You should be lucky, you got what you got. Right? Like, and, and, and that kind of thing. So. So now it’s like, but I want a little bit more, but everybody says I can’t?

Kat Kim 42:16
Yeah, well, it’s totally mixed messages. There’s that part where you should be happy with what you have. And then there’s the the overarching message that we receive from all the marketing out there and the consumer culture that actually, you need to do more and more and more and more and more and more, so that we get mixed messages. And I think the key here, Brandon, is that, again, design confidence means taking your focus away from that outside world, this is the practice of spirituality, taking your focus away from the outside world going inwards, and really digging in very deep into and finding out what actually do you want in your heart of heart? What is your heart’s desire. And that’s where the connection to your real source and to your true calling actually is right there. And that’s the thing that’s hard for people to do is to disconnect from social media, seeing all these Instagram posts of people who have all the money and all the cool pictures, and really going into to find out what actually Are you being called into? What is your true true, true good in this moment?

Brandon Handley 43:22
So how do you find yours? By

Kat Kim 43:24
that process?

It’s it’s a constant process. It’s like,

Brandon Handley 43:29
were you listening, Brandon?

Unknown Speaker 43:30
Yeah, hello. Oops.

Kat Kim 43:35
Um, but something important about that, let me answer this is like, I have to find it again. And again, and again. Because I’m, I am, I am part of that culture as well. I have, you know, I’m on social media, I see all the things I’m not free from that. I want all the money’s, okay, I want all the things,

Brandon Handley 43:53
all the things, right,

Kat Kim 43:54
I want all of it. I want all of it. And I see people who have more than me, and I’m like, fucking a, why don’t I have that? And then it’s that reminder. Well, let’s, let’s go back in, you know, and that’s that process of reclaiming my personal power, and my divinity. And that process is about letting go of that attach to the

Unknown Speaker 44:13
outside world.

Brandon Handley 44:14
So what is your What is your process and you know, to attach to divinity, right, like, how do you help somebody uncover that for themselves?

Kat Kim 44:21
Yeah, it’s, it’s, it’s like, um, you know, the questions that I asked, well, there’s, there’s first I asked you, you know, like, first you have to get really clear on what what’s not working in your life? You know, what are your biggest challenges? What are you Where do you suffer the most? What’s the thing that you keep coming up against? Most people are trying to run away from that, but I want to say no, that’s actually here to show you. If this is not the thing you want, what is the thing you want? What? So that’s how I guide people if this is what you don’t want. Let’s use that to point us in The direction of what you actually want. But once you figure out what you want, it’s not the tangible thing of it. It’s the essence of it. So for example, if you want a big home, and you want to be able to come home and take care of your family, and you want your own space, okay, that’s great. That’s the physical representation of it. But what is the essence of that thing?

Unknown Speaker 45:23
For you, like,

Brandon Handley 45:24
why is that? What what what what does that represent to that person? Is that what you’re saying?

Kat Kim 45:29
Yeah, what is the essence of the physical, tangible thing that we want, when we can get to the essence of it? So for example, if we’re getting to the essence of that big house, maybe it’s connection with your family, maybe it’s family, that is the thing that you’re actually craving. That’s that inward journey, we’re so focused on the thing and not the essence of it. Looking at it, the essence of it, that’s the calling that’s God, that’s the way God is showing up for you in the the essence of it, know how to process it. Outside of the tangible.

Brandon Handley 45:58
Yeah, even even on the outside, even, even during Look, I’m not that deep into my journey, right? Like, I think I’m like, three years in, but I took the accelerated course. The meditation, you know, has been something big for me. And usually when I do like, meditation, I’m big fan, I love headspace. And he’s always like, you know, go to like, the, you know, make that light edges of, you know, how far can you expand it? I’m like, as the universe bro, let’s go, right, like, you know, right outside and riding that edge, right? Because that’s where the creation is, right? Like this, in my mind anyways, but then even just today are inside is just as infinite as the outside, right? Like, you know, random epiphanies are inside. But that’s what it was, like, you know, I spent a little bit of time digging around inside and meditating and reflecting on the inside. But if you think about it, it’s just as infinite as all the rest of the universe. And so I spent some time there.

Kat Kim 47:01
Yeah. And if you think about it, it’s like, all of all of God or spirit, whatever name you have for it. All of God is in you just as much as it is in the universe. All of God is in the tip of this pen that I’m showing you right now, as it is, is a new God doesn’t get split around. And in, you know, allocate 10% here

Brandon Handley 47:26
20% here, right? It’s like the sunshine, right? Like, they’re the sun’s out there. He’s not like, everybody can go step out and get as much sun as you can today. Right? Like, I mean, it’s, it’s, there’s no allocation to it outside, like no shade, whatever. But I mean, essentially, like, everybody gets the same amount of sun. It’s like infinite, there’s more than we can use and that kind of thing. Just the same as like you’re saying, hey, gods, like, there’s there’s more than you can use feel?

Kat Kim 47:49
More than more than enough, more than enough. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 47:54
So that’s fun, right? What do you want to go What’s next?

Kat Kim 48:01
Oh, well, hmm. You know, I think the interesting part of all this is yet like, you know, I was on this spiritual journey, manifesting things teaching people how to manifest and then and then it was like, I went to this kind of dark night of the soul again on I do that a lot. Dammit.

I need to cut those down.

Brandon Handley 48:24
Here’s the thing. I don’t know that I’ve had any, you know, so like, I’m almost jealous, but I’m not. Like I was like, dark night of the soul. But I’m like, I’m not gonna pass. I’m cool.

Kat Kim 48:36
No, they suck. But yeah, you should just pass but I um, you know, this is now I started going to my spiritual center, I did the prayer and the prayer box got obsessed with this thing called God and prayer.

Brandon Handley 48:52
What kind of spiritual center was it by the way,

Kat Kim 48:54
it’s called science of mind the centers for spiritual living. It’s a philosophy of thought that really combines it goes into the golden thread of all spiritual traditions and essentially boils it down to that we are all one and we all come from one source. And it’s it wasn’t recognized it didn’t it wasn’t trying to be a religion, but it became a religion is now officially recognized as a religion as of maybe five years ago or so. And I started just really going deeply its study of mysticism, essentially. And I became licensed as a spiritual practitioner took me three, three years to do that. And I learned about our connection to source and you know, the power of prayer and I read all these cool books. It was just like, it was like, law of attraction on crack.

Brandon Handley 49:48
Yes. It’s like it’s a it’s a you know, it’s more than a force multiplier, right. Like it’s and and I love you know, I love that you bring up drugs right? Because Here’s the deal to like, how would you define the difference between you know, being cracked out or high versus having a spiritual high?

Kat Kim 50:15
Well,

Unknown Speaker 50:18
I don’t know. I mean, one of

Unknown Speaker 50:19
I mean,

Kat Kim 50:20
one’s gonna fuck you up physically. I mean, as your I mean, the reason I’m, I’m trying to go back to my days of smoking crack and all that I’m like, the only thing that I can you’re kind of giving me like, what do you call it when you have like a craving? I’m having a moment where I’m like, oh, that would be really nice if I could smoke.

Brandon Handley 50:44
Right there. I mean, crack wasn’t my thing. But like, yeah, definitely, like, I’m always like, you know, I did, did the party scene right back in the day, like the rays and dance and all that stuff. And I’m always like, Man, you know, I wouldn’t mind a couple pills and some acid. It’s just gonna dance,

Kat Kim 51:00
acid, ecstasy, cocaine, all of this. Yeah, you’re making me feel like oh, that would be

Brandon Handley 51:13
the question was question was is, you know, when when you think about it, right? And your connection to spirituality versus that same ethereal high that you get when on drugs, right. So you get that you get that kind of high when you’re on drugs. But then there’s the kind of high when you get when you’re in spirit to aka spiritual dope, right? Like right now. That’s where spiritual doubt comes from, like, get your head in spiritual dope, because like, you can have this. So how would you define the difference between the two?

Kat Kim 51:39
Really good question. Um, so here are the here the similarities that I am that I’m putting together that I have never really thought of it because no one’s asked me that question. And this is really important for people to know who are on a spiritual journey. So when you do drugs, as you know, you get high, and then you you have that crash, you crash afterwards. And it really, really sucks depending on the drug that you do and how much it’s I mean, you’re out for days. The same thing is with spiritual highs as well. And I think that’s the thing, a lot of people who are on a spiritual journey, they’re seeking this, the eternal high. Like, once they get there to some sort of Nirvana that they’re gonna stay there. And then when they dip, you know, when they crash, that they’re doing spirituality wrong. And I want to tell you, actually, it’s, it’s still it’s all part of that journey. And that’s the part the dip, you know, the crashing the part where you don’t feel good about yourself, the where the part where you are confused, and there’s darkness. I, I would want people to know, and this is what I teach in the school, divine confidence, too, is that there’s nothing wrong with that. There’s nothing wrong with being there. It’s all part of the journey. And trying to go for that peak and that high. And dismissing everything else as not being spiritual and doing it wrong. That’s where that’s where you get fucked up. Because now now you’re trying to constantly seek for that hot, you’re a fucking drug addict. Damn it.

Brandon Handley 53:10
is. And then and then the deal is, though, is this like? Yeah. But I could think of worse habits.

Unknown Speaker 53:19
I know.

Brandon Handley 53:22
That so so. But that’s a great call out right. I mean, I probably hadn’t thought about it. And that that in that fashion before the coming down from spirituality, and then feeling like I’m doing it wrong, right, or getting caught up in it. I’d have to think about it right. But I mean, so so you would liken it to at least kind of coming down parts of it right? Where you where you have your highs, and then would you liken it to also like if you have a large spiritual high or an ongoing spiritual high, then there’s going to be a substantial recovery period.

Kat Kim 54:01
I think there’s always going to be highs and lows to everything that that’s the eternal spiritual truth. And in my Buddhism practice, I practice, the passion of meditation, and all of that the personal meditation is centered around this one law, which is the law of impermanence. Meaning that all things arise and all things fall. And if you look out in nature, in the nature, you know, the seasons arise and fall, plants and trees arise and fall. Humans are life. We live we grow, we grow strong, and then we decline and then we die. Everything our emotions arise and fall, our cravings arise and they fall. Where suffering happens is when we get attached to one thing arising and staying there. Or one thing going away falling and staying there. That’s where suffering happens is that we want something to stay the same or change but The truth of all things in all of life and all of nature is that they, they arise and then they fall. So when we can accept that, then we can accept even, okay, let’s, let’s continue to use the analogy of drugs, for example, that craving. That, that, that that sense of like that craving for a drug, you know, or any food, or having sex or anything that drives pleasure. You know, the truth is, that sensation is going to arise and if we allow it, it will fall, it will go away. And if, you know, if we’re really practicing spirituality, if we become aware, then we can just simply observe that craving come up, and we can watch it go away. But, you know, we most people can’t, right, they want to react, they’re reacting to that craving. Well, I

Unknown Speaker 55:51
think I think that to

Brandon Handley 55:54
that, that that takes practice, right, catching yourself, right where you know, you know, making the conscious choice right you know, awareness of all things not just like your spirituality awareness of Oh, that’s a craving Oh, that’s a you know, whatever. I think that’s huge. I like it. what’s what’s hot in your world right now? Like what what are you working on that? You think people should come check out your school? Is there anything else going on? Yeah,

Kat Kim 56:19
I got this school going on right now. It’s called the school divine confidence. But what I’ve just recently launched it’s as this is what be my second episode is uncertain.

Brandon Handley 56:30
sermon. Yeah. I’m

Unknown Speaker 56:31
serving.

Unknown Speaker 56:33
La.

Kat Kim 56:34
Yeah, it’s a it’s a weekly uncertain where I share a life story, a spiritual lesson, a rant, a sermon on whatever topic to keep us affirmed and galvanized on our spiritual journey, but it’s really about deconditioning decolonizing undoing, right? And conditioning uncertain. And

Brandon Handley 56:58
I love it. I love it. What what brought that about for you?

Kat Kim 57:03
Going back to what you and I started off with his I just found this passion for talking about spirit and God, but I’m not religious, I’m not religious. So

Brandon Handley 57:13
is your is your God, like, tell us about your God? I’m curious,

Kat Kim 57:16
oh, my God, my God is my god swears all the time. My God is like, very passionate by God is a thing. It’s an experience. And it’s something that I can call upon at any time. It’s not this thing that I have to pray for, or pray to is just this, this, this, it’s an energy, it’s a vibration, I call it God vibration. And, and the more that I access that, that just the easier that all things become. And the more I study it, the mysticism, metaphysics, when I, the more I study, the source of all things, is just mind blowing, to know and to really understand that oh, my God, I am that source of all things. So that’s, that’s what this exploration of uncertain is, is, is a different idea and relationship of God and what we can and what’s possible with that?

Brandon Handley 58:17
That’s great. It’s great. I love that you’re, you know, you’re taking it out, right, you’re bringing it to the people. And and you’re doing it in your own way based off your experiences. So that’s great. Thank you so much. So where am I gonna send people to go kind of hang out with you?

Kat Kim 58:31
Yeah, so I do these. Yeah, I do the weekly uncertain. I do them live every week in my facebook group. It’s called The Confident leadership community. So come on, join me in there. I’ve got free training going on. I’ve got things to offer you. Come say hi, I’d love to see you.

Unknown Speaker 58:47
Sweet. Who’s your ideal client?

Kat Kim 58:50
My ideal client is the person who just knows in their bones that they are being called to do something important, but they feel stuck. They’re uncertain. They feel that the thing that they want to do is impossible. It’s the non conformists, the misfit. It’s the mutant out there.

Brandon Handley 59:07
Somebody who knows they’ve got power but hasn’t figured out how to control it and is afraid to share

Kat Kim 59:12
Yep, yeah, to come out and be who they really are someone who’s always been trying to fit in and they realize oh my god, this isn’t working for me.

Brandon Handley 59:19
Sweet Why, thank you so much for coming on today. Kat can really appreciate

Unknown Speaker 59:24
ya. Thanks for having me, Brandon.

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Be sure to connect with Anthony over at his website here: https://www.anthonymeindl.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Anthony mondo. He is an award winning director, writer, actor, acting coach, entrepreneur, author and inspirational speaker. As an acting teacher. He’s known for revolutionising a more modern understanding of acting training. He found it Anthony mine does actor workshop in 1998 and now has the largest scene studio study studio in Los Angeles and locations and nine other cities around the world, New York, London, Vancouver, Toronto, Atlanta, Santa Fe, Sydney, Chicago and Cape Town. As a filmmaker Anthony has received a number of awards and acclaim. His latest feature film, where do we go from here is available on Hulu. The film premiered at outfest won Best Screenplay award at q films Long Beach and the Jury Award at nycs East Village queer Film Festival. He’s the author of five books, including the bestsellers at left brain turn right and book the fucking job. his memoir, you knew when you were to release in September, which I got? Yeah, that’s how we connected. And thanks for being here. I’m super excited.

Anthony Meindl 1:09
Yeah, my gosh, I was like gonna fall asleep during that intro Jesus. My Suppose,

Brandon Handley 1:17
you know, I had to cut some things out. I was like, I was like, is this gonna I wanted to include though your I wanted to include? For sure your you know your film, right? Because I think that’s, that’s pretty big. Right. And that’s got to feel good. Especially going through your memoir, it’s got to feel really good for you to have that out and have won those awards.

So yeah, thanks for being here.

Anthony Meindl 1:38
Well, thanks for having me, Brandon. Like, I mean, I don’t know how spiritually dope I’m going to be today. But I will try to be my dopest. And we’ll

Brandon Handley 1:45
find out we’ll find out. Yeah, so how I like to start these right is, you know, universe speaks to us, right. And this podcast amplifies what we’re saying. And there’s gonna be one specific listener out there today, that’s going to hear the message coming from you. That’s through source. What is it?

Anthony Meindl 2:08
What’s the message? Yeah. You know, I think acceptance is really a very strong word. And really is to me, the walk, we’re all walking on life, right? Like, because in life, because at the end of the day, there’s nothing else right? Even if we fight against, like, we can use COVID as an example, even if we fight against COVID it is what it is. And it’s here. And, you know, if everybody looks at their own journey, the things that they’ve maybe railed against, or fought against, is oftentimes like a misuse of energy because, or maybe it’s necessary then to get to that place of surrender, or acceptance or letting go or, you know, so I think that the, the point that life is often trying to show us is how do we exist with what is and fighting against it is what causes a lot of suffering. When I’m not, you know, when I teach, or I talk about these things, I’m not saying I’m the master of it. I mean, I definitely know these things, more than just being concepts. I do practice them in my life, but I get triggered and challenged. And it’s it is also what it is, you know, I went for a walk yesterday, and I heard a little girl, she was like, near her fence, and she just shouted, Let it go, let it go. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is a sign from the universe because I was in my head about stuff. And I was like, This, is it accepting and letting go letting these burdens go? They’re a burden, because we make them so often, you know what I mean?

Brandon Handley 3:42
Absolutely not. I love it. Right. So acceptance and surrender, I think are some of the big ones there. And the idea of COVID is here, right? Like this is this is what are you going to do about it? Right? And if you don’t have an impact, like, if you can’t impact it, then just just let it be. Right. So let’s, let’s dig in to your, well, you know, what, actually, to it reminds me of one of the lines in your books to write of the I guess there was some, you know, spiritual master, who was a master, but he’s like, I don’t want to die. Right, right. Like and so just like you’re saying, like, even even though you are, you know, novice Dave itches, right? Like, hey, you know, everybody’s fine. And I feel good, but there’s still gonna be the days that you get angered. So talk to us a little bit about that. So knowing that, you know, all these things, but still feeling these other feelings.

Anthony Meindl 4:36
Yeah, you know, also burning Can I just I want to say one other thing about acceptance, because sometimes when people hear that they might mistake. The first meaning of that to them might mean Oh, well, that just means we’re supposed to accept injustice or accept. You know, people dying of COVID No, no, no, it’s not about inactivity. It’s not About inaction. It’s not about pretending that something isn’t there. It’s really about having this awareness that I think the point about acceptance is we have these constructs in our mind constantly about what we think life should be. And in particular what our lives should be, when I get married, it will be this, when I get successful, it will be that or today, I should be having this because I want blah, blah, blah. And then when that doesn’t happen, it creates so much strife and internal and sometimes external conflict, right. And so a more Buddhist understanding of acceptance, when I say that word is understanding that this is what it is. And then from this point, how do we invite that thing in to be a part of something that we also have to deal with? Because it’s happening? I actually think it’s the rejection of things that cause us to be in so much pain, right? Like, whether it’s the social justice movement, or things that we climate change, things that we have not addressed, eventually are going to make us contend with these things. So I just want to make sure that acceptance doesn’t mean like, pass this pass entity. And I think that also leads to the question just asked is, like, I think, I think we battle our ego. And I think that ego is necessary. It’s part of what gives us the distinction of being in this body. But we also are something other than I always love the iceberg analogy, right? Like two thirds of the iceberg is under the water that we don’t see. And we only see a third of that. And so that’s like, maybe comparable to ego, right? Like we were missing the the soul of the spirit that is hidden from us. And so we’re operating from just what we see all the time.

Brandon Handley 6:50
Well, yeah, it’s funny, you bring that up? Because that’s it exactly. I think I had this conversation twice, yesterday, once with my wife and another with a client. Just the whole iceberg analogy. I mean, one part, right, you don’t see all the all the struggle that goes into what’s on the exterior. Also, you know, the reverse thing being happiness precedes happiness. Right? So like, what’s inside here? shows up outside there, right? But from the outside, say, you’re looking at me, and you’re like, you know, he’s got all the things. And he did it by those actions. But that’s not really it wasn’t those actions. It was like the intention behind those actions. It was, you know, the thoughts and the feelings, right? That kind of built up to all those. But I love I love though, you know, acceptance is not passive, right? acceptance is, like you’re saying invited in. And I also like, the idea of the the things that we’re pushing away are kind of taking all the energy away from us, right? Have you? What’s your take on Shadow Work? Have you done Shadow Work is that something is running with?

Anthony Meindl 8:05
interesting that you say that? Because I, in my teaching of actors, right? I I’ve often talked about the shadow self. And I’ve given many lessons on like, light and, and shadow and, and without going into too much detail. But somebody wants to do some time came up to me and said, Do you do Carl young? Is it young work that you do, you know, young Ian work? And I was like, No, I’ve never I mean, I’ve been to therapy. And I’ve read Carl Jung, but I don’t really remember it. Right. And, and she said, because this is very young in what you’re doing. It’s all he was all about shadows, the shadow self. And, and so I mean, not consciously, you know, I think I tap into the universal pneus of things when I teach, like, a lot of people are like, were you ever in a and I was like, I wasn’t I’m not I don’t drink, you know, but like, I definitely tap into the principles of sort of, I think, these universal spiritual messages. And, but I mean, I think that’s a great segue that we all are channelers at some level, and that the universal principles are alive within all of us. And they’re, you know, encoded in us. And they’re also decoded, if that’s the right word, like, each person interprets the information differently. And I think, again, to have a practice that helps us have access to that more often is kind of part of being here on the planet.

Brandon Handley 9:31
What’s your biggest one acting or do you have something else? Right?

Anthony Meindl 9:34
No, it’s interesting, because when I when I work with actors, Brandon, I definitely feel like I channel like I go to I mean, that’s it’s such a, whatever that word means to people, but I definitely am. So in the moment. I don’t know what I say. Oftentimes, like today I was coaching somebody and he could see here I just, he was like, Oh my god, you got to write that down. I was like, I don’t know what I said that he would tell Really good. Because I was like, it’s brilliant. Because I don’t think I’m saying it’s right. And the person meeting the moment and me with them observing it gives the insight as to how to unlock the person. And so that is a lot of shadow stuff, too, is like, I do think it’s scary. But I think COVID is a great reminder, going into the underbelly of stuff that is very scary and confrontational is necessary for us to get to the other side of what is our purpose? Why are we here? What is this mean? Who are we like, but but if we, if we continue to go on living, like I think, especially as we had been, I think we’re, we’re really asleep at the wheel. You know, what I mean?

Brandon Handley 10:47
Not 100%, I, you know, I hate to say that, you know, with with all the deaths, and all the lock downs and how life is, is a good thing. But like, it’s also been kind of this good thing, where now we’ve got more people who are taking this time to go inside to really take stock of what’s important to them, right? The example I use all the time, my wife quit her job, so that we could, you know, homeschool our children so that they weren’t exposed to, you know, the possibility, right. And, and there’s no need to live in fear. But like, why subject yourself to that possibility when there’s an alternative? Right. And and what it’s done for us is, bring us closer together as a family really see? What had been put on us x from the exterior, right, and like, so we’re doing this from the inside out. Anyway. So, you know, it’s been a good thing. And sometimes it’s hard to see that right in the middle of it. Right?

Anthony Meindl 11:48
Well, when you’re in it, for sure. Right? That’s comparable to when you’re going through a divorce or a breakup or something tragic is happening, and, and you have to hold on, like, I’m always saying, you gotta hold on for dear life while letting go at the same time. Right? It’s both. And, and and then I think when you get to the other side, you you are like, Oh, my god that was so essential and necessary. And I think what you’re speaking of is absolutely correct. I think, yes. You don’t want people to suffer and you don’t want, you know, so many lives that were lost. And we also understand that to be from a governmental place, not having things in order, like they could have been like a lot of these deaths could have been prevented. But beyond that, I think I find it interesting that the universe is always course correcting that maybe not at this epic scale that we’re experiencing right now. But like an individual experience, like you often find, like tragedy or upset occurs in our lives to wake us up to this other life. Yeah, you know,

Brandon Handley 12:51
yeah. 100% So, again, thanks. Thanks for sending me the book, right. Oh, yeah. I love that. I love I love that got the where’s it so i got i love that. And, and I really enjoyed, you know, kind of gone through I had no idea what to expect. Right. And, and are to let you know, like, there’s so many pieces of it really, really touched me. Right. Just kind of, especially the piece like about your father, even at the beginning. Like there was some great laughs right, like, you getting shoved down the laundry chute. Yeah, I don’t want to give too much away. I don’t want it too many spoilers,

Anthony Meindl 13:26
right. boiler I survived it.

Unknown Speaker 13:31
Yeah, right.

Brandon Handley 13:32
The there was a lot of fun takeaways. Lots of underlining lots of just kind of, you know, gone through it. And just the way you told the story was a lot of fun. Right? And it wasn’t it wasn’t, it wasn’t boring. Like it was fun, right? And it was it was genuine. And you could tell that it was like 100% you. And so I just want to share that with you because I haven’t written an Amazon thing yet. So I’ll just have to go back and type this out.

Anthony Meindl 14:04
The best review you give me on Amazon was it wasn’t boring.

Brandon Handley 14:09
Just didn’t suck

Unknown Speaker 14:11
the way

Brandon Handley 14:14
so let’s talk a little bit about how you know you went from you’ve got a couple other you know, bestsellers and you’re you know, doing acting and what makes you want to become a writer and then what led you up to saying, hey, now’s the time for a memoir.

Anthony Meindl 14:28
I know like I do feel I do you have a birthday coming up next week. I feel pretty young to have a memoir. But I you know, I guess we call it a memoir, but it’s more short stories of my life. And like, you know, I maintain one of my biggest principles in my teaching for all creatives is that we all have a story. And that story of our life is the greatest expression of art, you know, waiting to be shared with the world. And it manifests differently for each person, right? It could be you’re a cook in New York City. Or you’re a ballerina, you’re an actor, you’re a writer, or whatever. And I think the, the interesting thing is the things that we have experienced in our life, at a literal level, and then at an artistic level, are are all essential on the journey of our life. And it’s like what you just said, when you’re in it, sometimes it’s really difficult to see it. But if you look back at the Mosaic, or the jigsaw puzzle of your life, and pieces starting to come together, you see themes, right. And I just for me, in my work with with artists is trying to take that autobiography out into the world in on whatever Canvas, they want to, you know, share it. And for me, it comes in many forms, whether it’s the films I’m making, or the writing I’m doing or teaching or acting myself, or, you know, but I think we do do that unconsciously. I’m just trying to, you know, how you engage with the world is a part of your autobiography, it’s been influenced by the things that Brandon has experienced how you and your wife make a dinner together. I know, it sounds so highfalutin, but it’s not it’s really infused with who we are. And I think we and, and I’m not saying these tasks aren’t also sometimes mundane. You know, writing is sometimes really boring, and I hate it. But, but I also know that it’s, it’s purposeful. And so that’s what I try to teach people is how to honor their autobiography. Because so many people Brendan, I think your listeners and and like you were saying earlier about people that you know, see the external or we don’t, especially in our media obsessed culture, we see somebody who is successful. And we don’t, we are only getting like, they’re, you know, they’re they’re opening night, we don’t see the dress rehearsal. So we’re comparing our lives that we often think is like a train wreck to something that’s presented to us as law. And we then then we link, I think, do a snow job on ourselves thinking, I suck, I’m untalented, I’m stupid, I’m not worthy. My story, nobody cares. And that’s when I think we, we lose sort of the, I don’t know, connection to the magic of our autobiography. We cannot compare. That’s just the problem.

Brandon Handley 17:19
Right? Right. Well, it’s, it’s the whole idea and is the cliche, life is what you make it right. Like when you’re talking about, hey, when you come into the kitchen, and you’re and you’re cooking with somebody else, then it, it can be an amazing moment. You can make that a miraculous moment. Or it can be right or it can be like, right, yeah. And so, but in the end there, too, what you’re talking about in my mind, right? I love to like, you know, make you purposeful, and living your biography. But you get to this point where you start to, you’re like you’re talking about why would anybody want to read my thing? Why would anybody want to participate? You’re making yourself small in that moment, right? Yeah. And that doesn’t serve anybody. Right? Like, where I didn’t really find in your memoir, and maybe it’s because reading too fast, but I don’t really find the space where you decided that acting was kind of like your purpose. And you felt like you needed to be on the stage to share all of who you were. So where was that?

Anthony Meindl 18:27
I mean, I maybe, you know, in this, I’m writing other stuff. You know, maybe I will revisit that. Like, I’m just curious. Yeah, no, no, it’s a great question. I, because I remember distinctly, I remember hat going out for dinner with my parents and telling them I wanted to be an actor. And, you know, they were like, Huh, but then they were like, Okay, my dad again was like, if that’s what you want to do, you know, he was like, go and do it. You know, they’ve always been really supportive. But I think, I guess in answer to that question, I just have always felt like not an entertainer, but like an expresser. of, of things. And I feel even more than being an actor. I’ve always been a teacher. Like if I go back and look at my own spiritual life as a child, and like, just the things that I was interested in. I and in my role in the family, I’ve always been the mediator, even though I’m the youngest one. All my siblings, and my parents kind of come to me as the sort of what did they say? And you know what I need? Right? So it’s interesting that I’ve always kind of, and I was always obsessed, you’re too young to know this but all your lives nobody will know this. But when I was in high school, I took this class call. It’s so it’s so hilarious. Anyway, it was called I, oh, gosh, I think I can or something like it was I can’t No, it was called. I can clap. Oh, wow. I hadn’t thought about this forever. And it was written by it was a class about having a positive mental attitude about life. And it was the teachings of Zig Ziggler I love Zig. You you’ve heard of Zig right? I love

Brandon Handley 20:03
Yeah. Yeah, I’m newer.

Anthony Meindl 20:05
Right? And so born to win. Yes. I will never forget, I was in the 10th grade. And I took I took the class because like, it was a pass fail. And it was I could get out of math and take that class. Right. But something deeper must have made me want to take it. And since then, I’ve always been obsessed with this sort of, yeah, dawning consciousness of what it means to think our way into the world, you know, not mind over matter. Its mind into matter. You know what I mean? I love that. Yeah. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 20:42
I love that. The Zig Zig has a lot of fun. Right. And and I think that he was, he was kind of before his time. Oh, right. In this space, yeah. And this face. And he’s actually, that’s actually probably how we’re talking today to be to be quite honest with you. So it was through a book of his that I read and ended up down this this path.

Anthony Meindl 21:07
Oh, see? Yeah, that’s, that’s funny. It’s interesting that you start to find these, you know, connective tissues throughout our lives. Right. And you’re right, yeah. That the whole wellness movement and meditation movement, and he was one of the original thought, you know, forward thinking people about, you know, how to live our best life. It’s interesting. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:31
Yeah. So the, the, the, a lot of the a lot of this podcast is based off of, you know, finding your spirituality, right, how you found your spirituality, and how have you leveraged that, like, for your success, or found a more fulfilling life because of it? Right. So why don’t we talk a little bit about how you, you know, became the spiritual guy?

Anthony Meindl 21:54
Well, you know, I also, I think it’s a great moment, Brendon, to tell people like, our spirit is innate. Like, it’s, I think, I think, again, with social media and like anything, if we, sometimes when I like, will watch somebody talking about spirituality in a certain way that I like, I sometimes I find it challenging because it can, again, create this sort of schism in ourselves thinking, we’re not doing spirituality the right way, or I don’t always feel love for God, or mean, or I want to just say, fuck you, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Oh, that’s all that’s the real spirit. The real stuff is right. With it, and we our culture, loves to live in this sort of, like, you know, they call it on social media like oh my god, something positivity, like toxic positivity. Yeah, there’s

Brandon Handley 22:53
that there’s that I’ve got. I’ve got answers for that, though. Okay, but well, so my answer for the there Yes, there is. Toxic positivity. That’s the, you know, like you were talking about earlier, in the acceptance piece is just like, oh, not taking action, right? Same, same thing. But positivity doesn’t mean like, hey, everything’s fucking great. Positivity simply means we’re moving forward, there is a positive space here was like, all this shit just went down. Guess what? We’re gonna keep moving through it. Right? And, and the thing that you’re talking about here is not in my mind. It’s like, the genesis of spiritual dope is that spirituality is gritty, right? Like, there is a certain like, element of, you know, you are washed up, beat up, dried off, and you are coming back together, like kind of, you know, hopefully stronger than you were before, or whatever. But like, you get to it, you get through a certain point in a degree. It doesn’t have to be like that. But then here’s what happens. people forgot like, who they were, like, you know, maybe two months ago, right? Like, you were the person like two months ago, like, you know, I don’t know what I see some I saw somebody like saying, Hey, you know, we used to, I used to, you know, do cocaine and ecstasy and lick like, whatever off my wife’s nipples or whatever. Now we’re getting mad at each other because I lied to the dog was a meme that I saw. Yeah. So spirituality is just that they’re like, you forget, like, where you came from? You’re like, hey, yeah, you know, you did all those fucking things. And you were, nobody’s saying or even. Not a mess now. Right? But you’ve got like, I love the moment. So share the moment where you truly, at least in the book, right, you connected like with spirituality right before a book fell on you.

Anthony Meindl 24:35
Yeah, I think like what we’re talking about, of like, you know, grappling with, again, the questions why we’re here. How do we, how do I make meaning of this life? And there’s got to be something more right. And I was always searching with those things. And the shorts or I had an acting teacher who asked me Do I meditate after a scene one time and I was like, No, and she’s like, and I literally had, like, No, I mean, grapple with these things. But I didn’t have an outward process or practice of spirituality, right? She’s like, I want you to start meditating. And I was like, how and she’s like, I don’t know, take a candle do what you ever want. So I started with, you know, I was just like, oh, and I was like, This is so boring. Then my friend but that’s this is the funny thing is when you know, the pupil is ready that the the guru appears kind of thing. So weirdly enough, my friend gave me a book around that time, and up until then, he knew him to be very spiritual, but he’d never really know engaged with me maybe that way. So he gave me this book by paramahansa Yogananda. And I was like, What’s this? It’s like, 500 pages. This is way too long and boring. And I was like, Okay, thank you. And I put it away, cut to I moved to LA and I took that book and everything for I was living in New York City at the time, right? When I moved to LA, and I was like, in my place, my apartment at the time, like three or four months. And I was I literally, that book fell off the shelf. And it’s weird, because it wasn’t even it was in the back of my shelf. I don’t even know how it happened because it was buried with books. Like, I’m never gonna read this. It’s never, and I picked it up. And in that moment, I was ready to read it. And I read it. And I was like, Oh, my God, what’s happening to me? Right, and it was just an awakening and opening an aha, like, my heart was very full. And I talked about it in the book. Like, I felt a tremendous amount of love that I it was, like a real thing. And then it disappeared. I was like, Oh, my gosh, how do you get that again?

Brandon Handley 26:40
Right. Right. Right. Okay, so I so 100% that I identified with that so hard, because I went through a similar experience. Right. And, and, and, and so it was great. It’s always great when you’re like, Hey, I’m not the only one. Right. Right. And then and then the other thing that I found very interesting was, I haven’t read that book yet. But I just watched a just watched a documentary on him.

Anthony Meindl 27:10
The Netflix documentary? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:14
Yeah, it was one of them. Right? Like Netflix, or Gaia or whatever. You know,

Anthony Meindl 27:19
it’s called, um, you’re the name of it. Not into the light.

Brandon Handley 27:27
I don’t remember the name of it.

Anthony Meindl 27:28
Okay. But but it’s worth watching. It’s a beautiful documentary.

Brandon Handley 27:32
It was really yeah. So it was really well done. But you know, so the my biggest takeaway, though, was wasn’t just about him. And it was so awesome. Right? was super cool. Was that Steve Jobs left that book behind. Right, his funeral. That’s right. So Andy, and like, you know, since we’re in this synchronistic kind of space, right, I’ve read I wrote an article on just that. This past week. And that was like, the day before I read that chapter. I was like, shop. So and, and and so So did you move out there then? And have you been to the US and our house?

Anthony Meindl 28:07
Yep. So I went to Yeah, I’ve done every I mean, I went to India and I spent time in one of his ashrams there, and like, you know, I wasn’t really I didn’t convert to like, Guru is, um, you know, I’ve been very cautious about, you know, because you you read, or you watch documentaries about major cults, and you’re like, Oh, my God, that could have been me, you know, it’s like, I’m always like, Oh, my God, by grace. And and I’m not judging these people, because they come to that aspect with such an open heart and these things that we’re talking about seeking and wanting to know more and but, you know, with Yogananda was very practical. It was like, there is a way out of this suffering. Just do your practice, get over it. Like, it’s really, you meditate, you get your butt in the chair, and you do it. And I’ll say to the great thing about when people come to me and ask about Yogananda, or about any kind of meditation, what I always advocate because he says this, and I found it to be true for myself. After I read that book. I did not I didn’t just sort of go to him only I it opened me to I did have a passionate retreat. You know, I did everything I did. I Alaska, I went on the journey of finding what felt right for me. I went to India a couple times. And so I think when somebody is is open, then you just have to I did tm, like I did, you know, you try many different things, and then you’ll find, like, what feels right. So that’s been and it changes and it can change, you know?

Brandon Handley 29:44
Yeah, no, absolutely. I agreed, right? It, it speaks to resonance. And I hate I hate I hate resonating with anything but it’s the truth, right, like you’ll find you’ll find exactly the kind of, this is the space you should be in right now. And this resonating with me the strikes a chord my body’s like, it feels this feels amazing.

Unknown Speaker 30:05
Right? Right. Right. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 30:06
So the I wasco was was actually pretty funny too

Unknown Speaker 30:12
loud. Yeah. It’s funny.

Brandon Handley 30:14
I mean, tell us tell us a little bit about like, I mean, would you recommend somebody who’s a seeker? Does the same trip that you did like down down to? Where do you head down to? I

Anthony Meindl 30:24
think, yes, I did it in Brazil. Also, I have a good friend, who also teaches with me, she did it in Peru A number of years ago. But you know, it’s interesting reading because this was way before I Alaska has become what it’s become, like, I don’t know which coast you’re on or where you are. But I’m on the west coast and like, they’re, they do Iosco ceremonies here, technically, illegally, like, all the time, it’s become very, I think it’s great. Like, why not, however, comma, you know, I think it you kind of, and I’m not a purist about everything, because everything changes and to have access to ceremony. And to that wisdom is great, right. But I do think, for me, I was going through a horrible breakup, and it was in a lot of pain, in a way I had never experienced and my friend recommended. So this was only got 2008. So how many years ago is that? Right? So 12 years ago, 13 years ago, and I, I just I literally she told me about it, I went online to the place, she said, I booked it without even knowing what it was. And then I did a deep dive into what it was. And I was like, Oh, my God, and I was like, I gotta get my money back. So I could literally call the guy and I was like, um, you know, and I don’t think this is my thing. He talked me off the ledge. I’m glad he did. Right. And then I went there. And I had this whole amazing experience of being in nature and the shaman was from that area. And so I think there’s something to be said about doing it. You know, it’s like anything like going to India? You can’t find anything that replaces India except the experience of India. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 32:06
Yeah. Yeah. So it’s just diminishes the kind of the truth of it,

Anthony Meindl 32:12
maybe, yeah, maybe. And I know that there’s, I’m sure there’s some great healers and and, and teachers of Iosco that have moved to LA or whatever. And so it’s fine. Just I want people to make sure that they know, you know, just make sure you know, the source, that’s all.

Brandon Handley 32:27
Yeah, no doubt, no doubt, right. Definitely, you definitely don’t want to take away from it. So how do you feel then? You know, when, when you went through, like kind of this and awakening process, right, there’s about the same time that you started your school? Right, is around that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 32:46
yeah. I mean, I started my school, literally, around the time that book fell off my shelf. So in 1998,

Unknown Speaker 32:53
yeah. So,

Anthony Meindl 32:54
I mean, I’ve been teaching, you know, prior to them, but it really kind of coalesced there. And I just, I felt a very strong message to at the time. Now, when I look back, I was not, I don’t want to say ahead of my time, I was in the right place at the right time, because the message that I was teaching was all kind of like conscious awareness through our work. And it was very spiritual and very much about presence essence, the moment, The Power of Now, all of those things before they’ve become so much, you know, they’re, they’re so cultural now. But I and I was kind of like an outcast at first, because it was very Mooney, still in the 90s in the early 2000s, you know, what I mean? And now that work, the work has caught up with itself. And I am very blessed to have been teaching this for 25 years, because I do find that this is, this is where we are heading, you know, you know, well, I think culturally look at this is a great conversation we’re having you have a podcast called spiritual dope, you know, like, I teach from a very spiritual place and, and there’s no shame around using the word soul or spirit or consciousness as our real and it’s hard to I also think it used to get a bum rap, but it was so like a llama dama ding dong, and like airy fairy, it’s science. Now we know what our brain does. When we meditate. We know what happens when we reduce stress levels and reduce cortisol release from our body, you know what it means? So it’s, it’s those things that were fringe during Steve Jobs time, right, right, are are not fringe anymore. And to have a language around it is it’s a real thing. So it’s exciting.

Brandon Handley 34:36
It absolutely is very exciting. What do you think the future of it is for us in this area?

Anthony Meindl 34:43
Well, you know, I’m sure. You know, every prognosticator has so many things to say about 2020 and 2021. And I’m like, Jesus, I mean, Brendon, here’s my thought about I Oh, I’m feeling like I’m gonna cry. I do cry a lot. Don’t worry. It’s just tears of joy. I do feel I don’t know. That’s the first thing. Nobody fucking knows camera should

Unknown Speaker 35:06
say that. Yeah, you’re right.

Anthony Meindl 35:08
Maybe maybe a guru in India knows but I don’t know, I think

Unknown Speaker 35:13
my

Anthony Meindl 35:15
where I take some sort of have peace I read this book during COVID or a couple months back called, oh my god, it’s called kindred and it’s about our Neanderthal on Neanderthal cousins, right? And just what the planet was like, during their time and how they were not these brutish, you know, brutes, you know, unsophisticated and uncultured. And they were actually, like, I don’t know, quite advanced, really, you know what I mean. And, to me, it was a watershed moment, in a way because I, I kept thinking about during there, and I wrote a piece about this recently, but how during their time, there was no an early homosapiens, there was, there was no destination. Being on this planet, there was no ending to get to all of life was only journeying. And we still in our DNA, we are journey men and women, we are nomads, right? It is in our, our system to want to travel and to keep migrating, right. And I think for me, reading that book made me Just think about the the constant journey that we’re all on. It’s an and I guess my point, sorry, I was gonna say was like, they wouldn’t have even known what the word destination was, because it was all journeying. And it was all uncertainty. And that, to me, is so powerful to live in that place. Because we as a modern culture, because of the modern conveniences that we’ve become sort of asleep, because of we have fallen asleep to the truth that we are still in uncertainty, we are still in the unknown, we are still on the great journey. I don’t care that you can go to the target and buy yourself, you know, underwear for $9 it you at Target isn’t a real thing in the big scheme of things. What’s target you’re aiming? Like we’re journeying? Yeah. And there’s you you we have successes and milestones. And those are all things to be celebrated. And I love that we have technology that that creates so many things for us. And yet, we don’t want to lose sight of the journey.

Brandon Handley 37:44
Yeah, no, I love I love the idea to have, you know, it’s it’s all uncertainty, right? and always has been, always has been, and you know, COVID prove that out. Right? Like COVID is like, Hey,

Unknown Speaker 37:57
hello. Yeah.

Anthony Meindl 37:59
On a rock spinning in the middle of dark matter.

Brandon Handley 38:03
Right, right. Yeah, good luck, guys. Uh, and, and the idea to, you know, when you’re talking about, like, all these things that are being mass produced, you know, getting something from Target that’s being mechanically produced, it just kind of makes me think a little bit to have the experience, right, like, you can go I can maybe I can go out to LA maybe find somebody like, you know, off the streets and and, and, you know, have that iOS experience. But am I gonna have to deal with fucking snakes? Am I gonna have to drop off like, you know, go through a couple plane hops go to the river, you know, deal with the tarantula and all that other shit? No. And I mean, there’s, there’s something lost in in that actual journey. Like, if it’s super accessible. Yes, the joy in that, like, you know what I mean, it kind of diminishes the I don’t know, it. Well,

Anthony Meindl 38:51
that speaks to our disconnect from journeying. The, the uncertainty that is the truth about existence, being too reliant on like, our phones and things and buildings, and like what we’ve become accustomed to right. And also, I think it speaks to the biggest challenge we’re facing is, is our disconnect from nature. And so that’s again, we’re part of that that’s, that’s an impulse and a pulse inside us. And I think we’re at to our detriment, we’re seeing how we have separated ourselves from this matrix, if you will, the nature matrix, and that that’s one thing that I think people are not aware of. The planet will be fine. Yeah, it will, again, turn into another been six or five other mass extinctions and it will turn into something else. Right, you know, but it’s interesting to really think about Wow, we’ve made the thing that isn’t real real.

Brandon Handley 39:54
That’s fair. That’s fair. I enjoyed your your what you took the piece of Want to pay you to the toilet paper roll? And you did that? Oh, you saw that? Yeah. How long? How long have we been here? We’re like, you know? Like, not even nothing,

Unknown Speaker 40:07
right? Nothing, right?

Brandon Handley 40:09
I’m pretty sure the dinosaurs weren’t like, hey, they’ll never get rid of us. Right?

Anthony Meindl 40:13
And then in a flash were gone. Right? Isn’t it crazy?

Brandon Handley 40:17
Maybe they just packed up and flew off, though. Come on, we don’t know nothing about him. He don’t know. Don’t know, we don’t know. So let’s talk a little bit about like, you know, how, how is acting, you know, kind of beneficial during even like COVID uncertain times or just in in a in a matter of finding yourself in flow and being able to express yourself. Tell me a little bit about that? Well,

Anthony Meindl 40:42
I always say, and I guess maybe I should just march to Congress and do it myself. I wish somebody could hook me up with, you know, a congressional page or someone, I feel like I should go teach an acting class to everybody in Congress, because the art of acting is the art of empathy and compassion. And what we’ve lost, you know, again, it makes me really sad, is this ability to stand opposite someone we may not agree with, or be in conflict with, but still see their humanity and still, to let them in? And I think acting does that, that you that actually through conflict, you have resolution. So I think conflict is really an important. And it’s, it’s kind of what’s evolved us, as you know, as a species as from organisms to it’s not been easy for anybody or anything, you know, that to be alive on this planet is churning, constantly churning to evolve into something else. So there is going to be conflict, but conflict does not have to necessarily mean what’s it’s not a pejorative, I guess you know what I mean? In other words, like, I guess I heard the other day that it’s, it’s thinking more in terms of like, even, let’s say a lion attacks a zebra, right, and kills the zebra high conflict. And it sounds like one person, one animal wins, the other doesn’t. But if you then step back and see that it’s all part of the system, it’s actually a cooperation. It’s it’s like, it’s all part of this thing. But I think if once we become fractured, and we don’t see that opposing views are also part of a thing. That’s why we are, I think, in trouble. Because it’s not black or white. It’s not republicans are bad. And democrats are correct. It’s not. It’s really about. We need both. It’s Yin and Yang. You see what I’m saying? its shadow in light. Yeah. So I don’t know if that answered your question. But I don’t know. I did. It didn’t. But I guess my point is acting is the exploration of all of that. And I think everybody should take an acting class, because you’re more in tune with, I think it’s the scariest thing for many, many people. I teach a very well known. WW. How many W’s are there WWF? Or www f whatever?

Brandon Handley 43:14
The rescue? Yeah, I think two Yeah, two dogs.

Anthony Meindl 43:18
Or maybe he’s a famous boxer. Lightweight by godsey is terrible. I don’t know those sports. But anyway, he either you would know. And then I can tell you when we’re done. But I mean, I’ve interviewed him for my podcast, so it’s fine. I can name names, but um, but he even said he was the world lightweight champion, or whatever category class he was in. And he said, Tony, being an acting class with you was scarier than fighting for that crown. And, and I think it speaks to having to be vulnerable and exposed and to share ourselves. So that’s why people should take class,

Brandon Handley 43:58
to be able to connect with that right to be able to connect with themselves and and to put them out there and share that right. I think it’s that sharing part that really holds a lot of people back, how’s acting help, you know, helping that person get over that?

Anthony Meindl 44:13
Well, I think we’ve become less self conscious about ourselves. And also, we have so much shame Brandon around, you know, we have so much shame around our feelings, our thoughts, behaviors, our past, the mistakes we’ve made people we’ve hurt, and again, realizing it’s also part of the journey. If we’re contrite, and we’ve learned and we’ve made amends. It doesn’t define it’s one part of a chapter, you know, it’s not even a chapter, it’s maybe a paragraph, you know, but I think we were in a shame based culture. Sometimes we don’t have a we don’t have a relationship to that stuff. That’s also an important conversation to have the shadow stuff. So instead, we go underground with it, which then becomes more toxic and more painful. It leads to you know, there’s no doubt That these things then lead to unhealthy expression whether that’s opioid abuse or, you know, whatever, it’s the toxicity it finds its way.

Brandon Handley 45:12
Yeah, look, I mean, it’s gonna make its way out each each thought is a seed, right? You know and and, and you know if you look at you know you you live in LA right you walk down the street cement is broken by grass seeds right that type of thing so I’m in a seat is a seat it’s gonna find its own way to express itself right and you know, we’re humans that’s what we do we express that’s we show up to express and it’s really interesting how that shows up. So, di di Did you find anything writing this book about yourself that you had forgotten about? You weren’t aware of? Were you able to share something through this book that you was like a major release for you just curiosity? Yeah, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 45:56
I mean, I think I’ve always been on this journey of like, for me, I was bullied a lot. And so I think that everybody has suffered from bullying in one form or the other. Even the bullies that perpetrate the bullying are really probably victims of either their own self bullying or are scared of or threatened by the people that they bully, you know what I mean? And so nobody escapes it and and and yet, so it’s caused a lot of damage, but it’s also put me on this path of healing and teaching and, and also seeing that it’s created my art it’s really helped me have a voice and and hopefully help inspire people in finding their voice through their pain and their struggles. And, and so I think, I think for me, it’s been all these things help heal. And and yeah, I had a lot of epiphanies. When my editor told me, she’s like, I told her when I was in therapy, because at one time I complained to my therapist, I was like, is everything you have to do with our childhood? Oh, my God. And I had great parents, as you can probably guess, by

Unknown Speaker 47:00
reading the book, like your mom

Brandon Handley 47:02
says, I want to know more about your mom, though, too. Like, she just seemed like the badass. Right? Like, yeah,

Anthony Meindl 47:07
yeah, she’s very private, like, but but but but even having great parents. Like, it’s funny, because they say having read the book, they weren’t too happy at first, because they thought it depicted them as terrible parents. Wow, I was like, Oh, my God, you guys, it’s a love letter to you. It just goes to show you our stuff doesn’t help us see things clearly. Right? So my editor said, I want you to whatever you’re talking about in therapy, when you have an image of a story that comes to you, I want you to start writing it down. I was like, Do I have to? Just like, yeah, so that’s how the genesis of the book occurred. So we all have stories, Brandon, that’s my point.

Brandon Handley 47:48
Not I love that. I was just curious if there was like anything that really just um, you know, jumped out at you that, you know, you hadn’t thought about for years or, again, was able to just you were able to just really release something. Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 48:00
what can I say? I’ve said this, I had the guy have a lesson about it. One person’s tragedy is another person’s Tuesday. Because this is true. That’s a good quote. I’ve never said that way before. I’m going to use that. But I think I have it in my book. Because my brother, one of the things that I realized is when I wrote the book, and I shared with my brothers some of the things, my brother is that an amazing human being, and we’re very close. But we, you know, I was this gay, little kid that didn’t even know what being gay was. And so he made fun of me, like any brothers would, you know, beat up or make fun of their younger brother. Right?

Brandon Handley 48:35
Especially during that time, right? Like, that was a very nice times. Yeah, that’s

Anthony Meindl 48:38
right. And so I in the book, I have a really haunting story about an event that occurred with my brother, you know, making fun of me or bullying me in a way about being gay. And it affected me so much. And yet, when I shared with him about it, he’s like, Oh, God, Tony. I don’t even remember that. Yeah. Right. He was so apologetic. So it just made me realize, like, oh, gosh, for me carrying that around. That was like a really intense moment. And for him, it was just a Tuesday.

Brandon Handley 49:12
Yeah. Yeah, but so sounds like you had an opportunity to kind of release that right. Oh, for sure. And that that was no, it’s amazing when you get to release something like that. Just how much lighter you feel?

Anthony Meindl 49:24
Yes, absolutely. And forgiveness and, you know, all kinds of things.

Brandon Handley 49:29
So I’m gonna move it back into spirituality just for a second. Yeah, you use that for you know, that’s that’s basically your coaching, right? Like your coaching is your spiritual practice. You know, you’ve gone to India you’ve had chased, you know, you’ve done the soul searching, you’ve been the seeker. But without spirituality without you know, kind of developing and honing your practice. You wouldn’t be as fulfilled as you are now safe to say.

Anthony Meindl 49:57
I mean, it’s impossible to answer random because There’s only been this unfolding there is a you can’t put that back in the bag. I’ve got a friend of mine,

Brandon Handley 50:06
a friend of mine, he goes, is he could use the acronym Tina, there is no alternative. You know, but you know, if you look at, you know, I guess the kind of the pre the pre awakening and pre spiritual Tony versus, you know, novice a Tony?

Unknown Speaker 50:26
Ah,

Anthony Meindl 50:26
I mean, I think that they still are so interconnected. You know. And I think again, I think the thing for our your listeners is to remember that spirit abides within us whether we have a conscious relationship or dialogue with it, it’s there. And it’s there to be awakened whenever you’re meant for it to be awakened. And so for me, it was always something that was a part of my experience, even if I didn’t know how to label it. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 50:54
agree with that. Right? Isn’t? You said it a couple times. It’s in a right. It’s everybody. It’s in everybody. Right? is and what I like, though, what you just said there was like, addressing it consciously. For me, I did, right? for 40 years, I was like, I was like, I got all this other shit to do. Right? And then then my spirit was like, I was like, Well, what do you want? Right? I’m very similar to your, you know, your moment, like there was like this. You know, days, maybe weeks, I forget exactly how long like you’ve got this kind of natural, vibrant body. Hi, you’re like, I didn’t miss anything. I didn’t take anything. And so what’s happening right now, you know, in my mind, after talking to several people, it could only be one thing. Right? So but it’s it’s inside of everybody. And having that conscious conversation with it, I think is the important thing, and not giving up who you already are kind of really loose back into this too. Because, like you said, You’re not separate from who you ever were just because like, you know, you have this spiritual moment. It’s not changing yourself either. Right. And we talked about like the the grittiness, allowing it to still be gritty, like, I mean, yeah, it’s okay.

Anthony Meindl 52:12
It’s work, right? I mean, it is work. It’s a relationship like any other. I also think though, as I’ve gotten older, I have a birthday next week. And I, I, when I look back at those stories I told or when I think about even my 30s, cuz I’m gonna be 53. I’m like, whoa, I’m a completely different Tony. And if, if you follow science, right, they say, cellularly, your body is regenerated every seven years or something like that, or so I am, like, at a atomic place, I am completely a cellular place, I’m different. But also your awareness and your evolution. If you do work on yourself, you are changed. I don’t even really identify with that, Tony. So every decade or every year, really, you’re a different person, which is so cool. That also speaks to how people can change even though I know there’s the saying that you can’t change someone, but we do change.

Brandon Handley 53:05
Rod, you had a great line in the book too, about realizing in a relationship that, you know, you can’t change somebody realize you can’t change anybody that the only thing is leftovers, like love or something like that. That was like a really good was a good line. It’s right. And it is and then the other part, too, that you mentioned there was your awakening was a Saturn, you know, rebirth away, you know? 29 so I’m in I’m in one of those this year, I think. So, which is also just more entertainment value for me as I’m reading the book. Anyways, listen, I you know, I identified with it, you know, you know, it must have been a challenge, you know, sounds like it was a challenge, especially growing up gay in the Midwest, right? I’m actually from San Francisco, born in San Francisco in the 70s. I was back out there in the 80s. And, you know, I always I embraced gay, you know, growing up, right, like, I wasn’t gay, but I was like, it was there. So it was just like, hey, right, that’s just part of part of life. Right. So, but then to, you know, kind of, you know, be able to express that run your business and and, you know, fully express yourself. I think that’s super awesome to be able to see who you are and to Yeah, well, thank

Anthony Meindl 54:15
you, Brandon. I feel like I’ve known you and I, it’s so great to have this talk about I’m so inspired. Like, I feel like I can I have to go teach it a little bit. But I feel like oh my god, the class tonight is gonna get an extra dose of spiritual dope ism. Now. That’s right. That’s right.

Brandon Handley 54:31
Get your head. Right. So get your commercial dope, Tony. Thanks again for being on Where should I go and send? Is there anything else that you want to you want to cover anything else you want?

Unknown Speaker 54:42
covered at all? Awesome.

Brandon Handley 54:44
Where should we send people to go hang out and find you? Yeah,

Anthony Meindl 54:48
I mean, I guess if they’re interested in my work, I guess, acting related or otherwise, you can go to our website www dot Anthony meindl memd elle.com and then you can always find me on Instagram, just Anthony meindl I’m on Twitter, but I don’t really use Twitter. I just, it’s too much so but so but I am on Instagram because I like photos. So, you know, you can always hit me up there and, you know, I really do try to answer people’s questions if they DM me and I try to be in service as best I can. So,

Unknown Speaker 55:24
yeah, awesome. Thanks again.

Unknown Speaker 55:27
Thanks, man.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai

After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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The upcoming summit that will be a launch for the membership group. Summit will be 3 days and called Sober. Soulful. Successful. and have speakers than embody these topics.The thread through all this is that we can examine our problems, our pain, our passions and find our purpose in life – which is so needed to counteract temptation to return to self-abusive lifestyle. My getting clear on our intrinsic motivation, we can ask ourselves, “What is more important right now- immediate satisfaction or long term gratification?”So many people are working poor. Plus, they are doing a job that they hate. When we get clear on our highest values, surround ourselves with people who share these same values, live in alignment with self evident principles, we can get clarity and confidence to be more like the person we were born to be – (which is an internal state of being) We were not born to have anxiety, burnout, regrets, resentments and shame. Get those head trips less important to you and you will easily recognize what makes you come alive and the you will do it!

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one to hear. You’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general You’re so limited in a thought process for sure. You are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside get can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast to show the answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you. This world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:43
For three, actually, how do I pronounce your last name?

Unknown Speaker 0:47
heighten?

Brandon Handley 0:48
tiden? Okay, Randy hyden. Right. Yeah, good. Yeah, I can’t tell you the number of times I put your somebody’s name by accent then can I got it? So just make that a practice of asking before we get going cold everything but a gentleman. Fair enough. Fair enough. 54321. Hey, there, spirituals open. Thanks for tuning in to another interview episode I am on today with Randy hyden. He is the creator of attitude for gratitude flow. And he’s coming up to you with a new summit. That’s going to be three days. That’s called sober soulful and successful. I used to have speakers that embody these topics. And, you know, Randy, and I connected kind of in some odd areas. And I haven’t told Randy this yet. But Randy was brand new saying like everything that was on my mind. And like Facebook and posts, I was like, man, I gotta get to know this guy. And we did Connect. And so that’s pretty much the genesis of how we got john here today. Randy, did you know that I was talking? I was like, you’re just saying everything on my mind?

Randy Hyden 2:02
Well, I find humor in that because I recognize that you were what you were posting was like, so I don’t know, maybe? Maybe we’re the same person in two different dimensions.

Brandon Handley 2:14
Well, I mean, I think that that’s interesting, though, too, right? We just we have the same kind of the same things kind of on our hearts, and we’re sharing them out there with the public. And I think that that’s a I think that’s neat. Um, you know, just kind of, uh, you know, that everybody talks about vive and are resonating. And there you go, right. We’re like two different tuning forks on the opposite side of the country.

Randy Hyden 2:34
Yeah, it is cool. Yeah. Because there’s, you know, we read about this stuff, but until you actually experienced it, it’s all concept. For sure, for sure. is very real.

Brandon Handley 2:45
Yeah, absolutely. So I like to start these off Randy, with the idea that you and I are vessels for creative energy, God universe, whatever you want to say. And that, you know, there’s a message coming through you for somebody listening to this podcast today. And it can only be delivered through you. So what’s that message?

Unknown Speaker 3:10
Uh,

Randy Hyden 3:13
well, the theme for all the groups with the summit and the free membership group and Facebook and the paid membership group flow, is to be more like the person you were born to be. May I explain how I came to that message?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely pleased to. Okay,

Randy Hyden 3:34
so because our listeners may not know, I am 13 years sober. Coming up next week will be 14 years sober. And so that’s, that’s something I’m very proud of. Especially because what I was new, like many people in the first year of sobriety was a day by day sometimes by an hour by hour proposition. And during those difficulties, gentleman who eventually became my sponsor, mentor, Bob, he, he told me it goes, if you hang around and do this thing, eventually you’ll be more like the person you were born to be. Actually, if they could get it since this crowd is okay with the word God, he actually said, you’d be more like the person God made you to be and get the goosebumps right now. And so that was the promise I held on to in the beginning. And frankly, I still I hang my hat on that. In the beginning, I had no idea I used to pray God provide all that’s needed and move what’s not for me to be more like the person you made me to be. I’ve said that prayer, or some form of it countless times, hundreds of times, maybe maybe over 1000 times. I’ve prayed prayed that. And up until recently, I had no idea what the heck that was. And honestly, on the outside, I still don’t even know what it is. But on the inside within me what I carry with me, I believe that none of us were ever created to carry around anxiety. We’re not meant to be burned out. Regret, resentment, and most of all shame. I do it, perhaps I’m just some kooky guy. Well, I am kooky guy. But again, maybe this this is is only something that I just carry with me. But I really truly believe in everything I want to bring out as messages. And so it’s we were never made to carry around the shame that we do. So that’s what the intention is, again, long, a lot of letters and words and in such a cut out that to reinforce what I mean by to be more like the person you were born to be? No, I

Brandon Handley 5:47
mean, I look, I love that, right. And I think that, um, you know, what you’re speaking to is really, what happens somewhere along the journey. And maybe not to everybody, but to more people than we’re aware of, because you’re talking about this. I, you said you didn’t realize what this meant, until more recently, right. And it’s not something that’s easy for you to put into words. But it’s a more than a feeling, right? It’s more than a feeling. And, and as you and I connected, you can kind of tell who’s in that space. Right? So why don’t you talk to me a little bit about what that space? Where would you be comfortable with calling? I mean, I don’t think the you know, awakening, maybe not your term. Nor is like, you know, finding your true self? or How would you describe it for somebody that’s curious about what that means to you?

Randy Hyden 6:50
Well, thank you. Because honestly, that’s been part of my challenges. This thing’s been percolating in me for years. But trying to talk about something that, again, as I mentioned, I don’t even really fully understand, I just know, I have a thing about me right now where I could move with a lot less resistance. You know, my intention is to experience and express inspiration. So others may do the same in their own unique way. And together, and we make the world a little better place. With that intention, I I don’t sweat things like I used to. I give myself a lot more room to be imperfect. And that’s, like, 1000 miles away where I was 14 years ago. But even then, again, he’s progressing. And yeah, you know, we try to, you know, talk about things that no, it’s like, joked around about us, you know, frequencies and then the, and maybe we’re the same person in two different dimensions and stuff. I mean, it’s all concepts. It’s all words, it’s, we’re trying to communicate something that really truly, it’s difficult, if not impossible to communicate, but when it’s experienced. You can you can talk about love in such earlier. Oh my gosh, yeah, I remember my best friend, he fell in love before I did. And I saw the change. His girlfriend was a friend also, as well, we hung around a lot. And I saw the change in both of them. And I thought it was the coolest thing. Really, really happy for both of them. But I you know, I had no idea what love was until I fell in love. That makes sense

Brandon Handley 8:42
that absolutely absolutely right. Again, these are these are things that these are things I always joke about the the idea of, if you would have told me maybe three or four years ago that I’d be doing this spiritual dope, personal, personal development space, and all these other things I might have punched in the face, Randy, I might not have been to because you look like you punch me back. And I might get fucked up. But the whole, the whole idea is that there’s no way that I would have found myself in this space until I you know, went through the space. And then you hear people always saying, trust the process. I’m like, now like, trust the process. Right? It has, you know, that has meaning now, whereas before, it had not

Randy Hyden 9:30
zactly Exactly. And of course, we all assign meaning to everything every moment, consciously and unconsciously. And naturally, how I’m going to view the meaning of our time together is going to be different from here then we could both say, we appreciate sharing some of your day together. We appreciate the listeners, you know peeking in on this conversation is But what exactly that looks like what that feels like and stuff. It’s very unique and it’s very personal. But again, something like gratitude or appreciation. Thanksgiving and stuff is a universal concept it is seems to be something that’s wired into all of us. But until you experience it, but I laugh I laugh so hard when you talked about punching somebody in the face. Yeah. When I, I surrendered. If somebody had told me you’re in exactly the right place you need to be. People may have heard that saying as well. Right? I sure is anything. Yeah, gotten violent. But now looking back at it and stuff. I yeah, I’ve said it countless times. And I tried to be a little mindful about that. You know, which is another thing, Mike. Mindfulness, what a word that gets thrown around all the time. And it’s, it’s very personal, it can mean different things for now. Yeah. 100%. Right, to to listen to people in a way to understand when I’m making a statement, whether that’s going to be something that’s possible for them to chew on

Brandon Handley 11:02
the right, I mean, that that talks to the whole idea of, you know, kind of talking to people where they are.

Randy Hyden 11:08
So, so how I get there,

Brandon Handley 11:10
I listen, I’m not

Randy Hyden 11:13
really been a challenge with we’ve tried to put some messaging out there, which means like marketing, and branding, and all this kind of kind of stuff, bringing this out. But you know,

Brandon Handley 11:22
I want to pause there for a second. Right, Randy, can we I think I think that marketing and branding. First for many, and even even, like, as you’re talking about it, it’s kind of like dismissing it for a second. But all you’re really trying to do and correct me if I’m wrong is, you know, share out something that could truly benefit some people and highlight some just amazing things that you know, could theoretically, PR your experience, bring people to a great place. Right. So I mean, if you’re using marketing and branding, and then again, you know, we we met through, I think James Gaffney, Jimbo, Uncle Jimbo. And, you know, his idea of branding is branding is your promise. Right? And so if you’re what you know, is sticking with that for a second, you know, as you’re doing your marketing and your branding for your school over here, again, just read it because I have a short term memory today, silver, soulful, successful attitude of gratitude and flow. What is your branding? What is your promise to these people that they can hang out?

Randy Hyden 12:32
Well, you know, I touched on it earlier, but it’s, it’s great that, you know, can we bring up uncle Jimbo? Because going through his class really helped me understand that. Just be yourself. And, and when you get back to words, like authentic, we’re being authentic, the people will get, they’ll dig it, and they’ll hang out with you, and maybe even spend a little bit of money and stuff and those that don’t dig you, they gonna hang around very long and don’t sweat it. Again, you’re just trying to manufacture it. Frankly, I was a big part of why I was miserable. I was using drugs all the time, I was trying to create this persona that people would like, so I could fit in. And I wasn’t true to myself. And consciously and subconsciously, I really hated who I become. It’s phony. It wasn’t true to myself. But then it was really scary that if I did share who I was, maybe things go from bad for worse. So I just kind of bounced against the walls, sometimes literally, but metaphorically and stuff. I was trying to navigate my way and then it was just kind of the whole stuff is Hey, man, you know, just stop trying so damn hard.

Brandon Handley 13:51
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 13:52
yeah, yourself. And that’s a funny thing. Oh, it winds up being probably better than I ever the persona I ever tried to manufacture. But yeah, James was huge. And after that,

Brandon Handley 14:05
yeah, no, I mean, that, you know, not for nothing. The course that course is, you know, for 100 bucks, top notch. I’m not trying to send people there, but I am at the same time. Like, I mean, go check that out. If you’re going to check out a marketing course go check that one out. Where would you say, you know, the, you know, you’ve gone through a transition, right? You’ve gone through a shift. And Wayne Dyer has a movie called The shift. Have you ever seen it?

Randy Hyden 14:33
No. But I love windows, everything that I have, you know, consumed has been beneficial. So you’re mentioning I’m going to stick it out? Yeah, so

Brandon Handley 14:43
absolutely. And in the in the movie talks about men going through the the shift, quote unquote, right? It’s around a certain age bracket. You and I are both in it. But it talks about the change of you know Have your attention, right? What do you focus on? Right? Do you were talking about being focused kind of like on the person you were supposed to be for everybody else? And maybe some things that weren’t so beneficial. And into maybe spirituality and discovering your sense of self? Is that make sense?

Randy Hyden 15:23
Oh, yeah, yeah. So what I’m hearing you mentioned about is what some people refer to as the first half and second half of life. Sure, okay, existential, an existential crisis type of thing. You know, and my understanding of it is, it’s not necessarily something that is chronological, or, you know, it’s based upon how many years you are, but it does commonly happen around the 40s area. Because we’ve gone through the process of establishing our identity, doing the things that we need to do with the egos really serving its purpose, you know, how do we dominate to get the mate? You know, the career, you know, how do we, how do we do all these things to create something that we could call security. But eventually, there comes a moment of clarity. And usually that comes through crisis, where you start realizing the paradigms that one serves, you are no longer beneficial.

Brandon Handley 16:24
Yeah. What do you think?

Randy Hyden 16:26
What your view is, though

Brandon Handley 16:28
it? Where do you where say, when? Or what was the situation you feel? You might have crossed the rat threshold?

Randy Hyden 16:36
Well, it’s I’m 56. So I got sober when I was 43. And,

Brandon Handley 16:42
yes, okay, with sobriety for you. Is that what you’re saying?

Randy Hyden 16:44
Yeah, so sobriety, there is the case, you know, and, yeah, it’s so personal. I was in the middle of a fog and lots of confusion, lots of overwhelm happening. It’s hard to really, you know, try to be definitive and objective about my experience. But that’s part of the thing that’s really good. When you’re in the 12. If anyone’s familiar with 12 step programs, the pay it forward paradigm, no one else who’s suffering how you once did, you process your pain, you’ve gone through a lot of problems, and you found a passion. And you want to pay it forward, you would like to help others. And as I’ve had those opportunities, I’ve been able to see myself time and time again, and go, Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that’s just like, if anybody is, again, if you haven’t experienced, but you’ve heard of these concepts. It may not necessarily be resonating with you, but anybody who’s gone through it, the when we talk about how I’ve received more than I that I’ve ever given, or, I mean, these people, well, the first time I ever, ever sponsored a guy, I asked my friend Alan, who eventually became my sponsor. And hey, Tony wants me to sponsor, and I don’t know what to do. I haven’t even gone through the 12 steps myself, which again, is gone through this proc official process. I’m like, What am I going to do? And, and Alan just smiled. And he just goes, how you may be able to help Tony may not I don’t know how it goes, but I’m positive. Tony will help you. Wow. And that was enough for me to smile like you did and move forward and work with Tony. And yeah, yeah, I hope I helped him a little bit. But I know for sure without a doubt that that’s been a first person than every other man since then, like from greatly and have to give credit the thing of expanding upon this to this these things flow, attitude of gratitude, the summit called you know, sober, soulful, successful, is to have a more than just Randy talking about this, but having many voices, in their own words, their own emphasis, talking about the similar thing. So we can help other people maybe experience in in their own unique way, this inspiration that comes when you’re, when you’re present in the moment with another person. And you’re some people call it active listening. I call it listening without opinion, but being really present, right? And there’s something that happens, my guess is that it’s kind of like an end run around my ego. So why ego still present all the chaos and confusion, the scrimmage is going on in front of me. And somehow I snuck around the side got in the goal line. thing, for sure. My soul has been trying to tell me but there was too much noise in my head, you know that. We have these voices in our head, you know, the Buddhists call the monkey mind and stuff. And it’s, it’s like if you and I if I was talking over all the time, I’d never be able to hear you, right. So again, I go All these voices in my head when I can get into the state, and it’s just like a meditation, I’ll focus on my breathing and stuff, but I will really listen to it. And I could, maybe there still every now and then some poo get flung around in the monkey mind. But all in all, there’s enough quiet that that I’m hearing something then I need to hear. And that’s what I mean by experiencing inspiration. That’s something that makes me just, I don’t know, people out of my life,

Brandon Handley 20:31
I’m sure. You know, let’s talk for just a second I mean is it is it sobriety you you feel or sobriety you feel that in of itself, or this connection to source type of thing connection to a higher power and this? This is? Quite honestly, this is why you get your head, the tagline of spiritual dope, right? Is that spiritual high? Right, of that life high? And I think you just you just said that. So we, what is that for us? Is again, is it? Is it the spiritual high that kind of keeps you going that keeps you sober? Or is it the sobriety that led you there? Right? Or is it kind of chicken in the egg? Right? Yeah,

Randy Hyden 21:18
it’s it’s, you know, maybe so maybe no, it’s not dualistic thinking, however, I get, I came to this spiritual way of life, not by virtue, but circumstance. The 12 step is teaching you that get there are some disciplines and some actions to practice daily. For myself, I grew many times through the day of getting just getting centered. asking myself What’s more, what’s really important right now, what’s really happening, I’m just taking the 10 deep breaths, it’s just when I I’ll just, I’m just again, this is my mindfulness, I realized, I’m, I’m either dwelling in the past or projecting in the future, I’m not present in furniture, usually, when I’m catching it is because I’m just not at peace, I’m just kind of a little irritated and stuff. And because I’ve done enough times, being I’ve experienced what it is to have some common peace. I could notice when it’s been disruptive, before, it was just basically, dumb obedience, you know, which, again, you got to do this type of stuff, right? Want to get back to being restless, irritable, discontent, and, you know, needing to use the drugs and alcohol to supply what’s needed to find some kind of peace. I think a lot I feel a lot and with people, in addictions, in the spiritual ways, are a way to be able to still dance with those demons. And and Yeah, well, Karl yune, integration, work and all that kind of stuff. That’s, it’s not talked about in that way. But there’s methodologies in the 12 step program. It’s the personal inventory is getting clarity and confirmation all those causes and conditions that brought you to this point in life. Right? And without trying to go through all with what processes yet you everybody I’ve known that’s gone through that has a huge epiphany. For myself, the first time I did it,

Brandon Handley 23:23
decided the inventory.

Unknown Speaker 23:25
Yeah. Well, I

Brandon Handley 23:25
wanted to pause for one second that Randy because you mentioned a pretty good, a pretty good mindfulness habit that you’ve got. And kind of how to recognize, recognize when you’re out of out of peace, you said, right, when you’re not at peace, if you don’t mind, just talking about what that is, again, because one of the things that we’d like to be able to share here is, you know, practical application of this stuff, right? Not just all theory, like, you know, so sounded like you said, you know, if you find that you’re, you know, kind of your monkey mind stirring up or you’re, you’re finding some type of irritation you take you, you know, at that point in time that you are either living in the past or the future, and you take 10 centering breaths, is that what you do? Yeah, yeah. expand on that at all

Randy Hyden 24:16
right? Take the breath. So I’ll kind of ask myself, like, okay, what’s happening right now? Just take a few breaths, and just focus on you know, like a meditation, the cool air going in warmer air going out? And, yeah, then the answer comes to me, which again, is the point right now I’m actually kind of concerned because I’ve concluded countless times that it’s either fear or it’s love what’s going on, and again, if I’m out of peace, it’s some kind of fear. Because I, frankly, I use the word anxiety because people don’t like to talk about they’ve got fears and stuff. Sure. But the past is, you know, naturally leans more towards the word of regret. But yeah, fear that I won’t have something I prefer desire and lose something then I’m attached to, right? Um, you know, or my bullshit is going to get found out. Do ones that come up countless times, right? So being rigorously honest, minimizes the bullshit that’s going to get found out, right? And then understanding also, frankly, it’s all bullshit. Right? I know, myself, I don’t take it that seriously. And if you laugh at me, and you try to insult me and stuff, again, I just kind of frame it all up with that same way. It’s like, yep, you’re right, you know, thing.

Brandon Handley 25:38
Right? Right.

Randy Hyden 25:39
But if there’s someone that I really am kind of attached to their opinion of me, we get typically I’m not conscious of that. Right? I respect you, Brandon, if you were to say something that may or may not have been designed to twist the knife, right? I felt a little Sting, say something, right? And sold or whatever. And it doesn’t mean it was intended to be that way, if I interpret it, is that that’s one of those disruptions? Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 26:09
and I love that you brought that up, I experienced that recently, myself, you know. And through these mindfulness practices, though, that you and I are talking about, I was able to, I was able to pinpoint, and I was like, Wait a second. You know, I’ve attached like an authority to this person, I’ve, I’ve given this something that I mean, that’s quite literally what I’ve done. I’ve given him power over me, right? whereas he has none. Right? And able to just to just notice it. And also notice, too, that could just be simply my interpretation of, like you said, my own bullshit, right? And just kind of, you know, being able to identify it and let it go.

Randy Hyden 26:54
Right, right. So again, that’s the thing is you can win. In that hypothetical situation, again, where I feel the same thing. That’s when I would first ask myself, you know, also just kind of, I didn’t feel good for myself, a lot of my, my attention gets around the neck and shoulders areas, everybody has it in some people in the gut and stuff, but you know, I feel this and it’s just like, okay, I asked, okay, what’s going on right now? Take a deep breath. Me, you know, get sometimes 10 sometimes it doesn’t take that many and stuff. And it’s just yeah, Allison identify? Well, I have put myself beneath Brandon. Right, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. And then I can do it repeat over it a couple times. And it’s, it’s amazing ones becomes practice. Yeah, you just did. I can. Sometimes it’s, it’s less than 10 seconds. I’m back centered. stuff. And if I don’t have to do as deep of a inquiry into the situation,

Brandon Handley 27:51
right? What would that inquiry look like for you? Um, if you if you put me above you, what would that inquiry look like?

Randy Hyden 27:58
Thanks. That’s a great question. So it is I would think a lot, it would just be good. a million questions, you know, is, why am I doing this again, it would default much more to again, kind of the self loathing type of stuff. What the hell do I think he’s so great. Oh, my God, I embarrass myself this show. Listen, that, you know, it’s I think a lot of people have had moments.

Brandon Handley 28:22
Absolutely. You know, that’s why I think that this is this is, this is very helpful for for someone who hasn’t found that yet, or hasn’t identified it yet. As you and I are talking and as like I said, I just realized I did this just a couple weeks ago. You know, I was I taken a course where, you know, you were taught to identify whether or not you put someone above or below you, right, and really, no one is above or below you. But sometimes you do it by accident, right? Sometimes mentally, you just don’t recognize it. And it wasn’t, it wasn’t until recently that it did a little click right and like, Oh my God, that’s what just happened. So my hope is that if you know if you’re listening today, and you hear Randy talking about this, that this is something that if someone has pissed you off, if you feel hurt by someone, the good idea to ask the question, you know, where where have you positioned them in your life so that they could do so?

Randy Hyden 29:23
Yeah, yeah. And again, mature shorthand of that is what’s really important right now.

Brandon Handley 29:27
Yeah, I love that.

Unknown Speaker 29:28
Yeah. Yeah.

Randy Hyden 29:31
It call it intuition subconscious, God, universe, whatever it is. There’s this small still voice that it began if I make space for it will remind me Oh, yeah. You think you’re above bread? Oh, you think you’re below four grand? And it’s just, it’s good. I don’t have to discuss it much more than that. It’s like, Oh, that’s what’s going on. Right now. We’re again in the past I would have turned this into, like 1000 word essay in between my ears. and stuff and then right you know, but yeah concluding is like okay so all that stuff is fear and really truly when I can take that and make that a whole lot less important again I’m not trying to present myself as some kind of guy that’s got it all figured out guru whatever I’m just sharing techniques and tips that have covered be a lot less alcoholic whatever behavior I exhibited when I was alcoholic I mean there’s a thing in the in the rooms if anybody’s in recovery you’ll hear a phrase called dry drunk talking about is you’re still thinking and feel the same way as when you were drinking you just have accidents going on. There’s no entity in that person’s wife. I mean no bullshit. The been in meetings where people told people to go get drunk. Wow. Because the egos you need to go get drunk right now. And, and not like it like one person would say and then would kind of echoed around the room because that person was just so far from peace. Now that I know some people might think that’s crazy. And all those kind of stuff my shirt and did happen reffer I remember exactly that day we were I was sitting in around the tables. But yeah, I mean, again, that’s just that kind of person where it’s just basically it’s it’s a knee jerk reaction to somebody being so aggressive and lashing out at everybody and stuff. That almost kind of retaliating in a way that could be interpreted as revenge, or at this time, it’s like, dude, oh, just go get drunk, man. Get out of this meeting. I don’t care if I ever see you again, kind of stuff out extreme and this person was proclaiming? I have no reason to doubt it like 30 some years of sobriety. Wow, good 30 years that you’ve been abstinent, but apparently you’ve never gone through and done one or two that we’re touching on here to try to diminish and minimize that. That and, but also want people to know that. You don’t have to necessarily have gonna say things extreme. Right? The chaos, the confusion, all that kind of stuff that addicts and alcoholics are getting the bottom. Right. You can it’s just human condition. Yeah, we’re getting we’re indoctrinated with a worldview around us. We’re here. We’re in North America, we’re materialists, we’re consumers and such. The media the messages that come around, you know, whether it’s through the official propaganda or the how that those messages are repeated, or, you know, in our, in our workplaces, around our homes and stuff, you know, we start adapting these things that didn’t work enough that we continue on with, you know, how does, how does this continue? Because there’s a little bit of usefulness.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Sure, sure.

Unknown Speaker 32:57
Enough in it,

Randy Hyden 32:58
the bonding, we have the commonality and stuff that but yeah, but in again, is it? It’s so difficult for me to say any other time than that, you know, just for a milestone of my sobriety date, November 6 2006. For me, too, because that was the first day Frankly, I think up until then, for last I don’t know how long because again, it’s just a blur. I didn’t care if I lived or die. Sure. And and suddenly, I didn’t care. Oh, you know, they they talked about, like divine intervention and stuff. I explained it any other way. Yeah, that was perfect buddy. Who goes on for years. And again, some days wishing I was dead. Just really? Don’t think it’s also now everything changed. Like that kind of stuff. But just the door cracked open enough. Also, and I was considering that. Yeah, you know, everything I desire. Anything I could commit to my education, my health, my career, my marriage. Anything that I could consider that I would commit to to try to make better was I school when I’m getting blackout drunk every night?

Brandon Handley 34:10
Yes. Not easy.

Randy Hyden 34:12
And, and that was the instead of the typical, okay, big deal. Now, it it bothered me.

Brandon Handley 34:20
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 34:20
I was like, man, maybe you really should stop doing this. And and that conclusion came it was just in the workplace. It was just a team building exercise, go around the table. Everybody around the table, identify somebody they respect that they you know, admire. And then the second rotation around the table was what characteristic does that person possess that you wish you possess more of? Right, render out Eric bepro best man at my wedding. So yeah. Um, Eric is a third degree black belt. He is a master technician for Nissan and Infiniti, Toyota and Lexus IS A GREAT dad, great musician. I mean, he’s the guy who, man if if he puts his mind to it, he does it. Right. First Response, I named him and I was going around thinking my head what my answer would be, I was gonna say discipline. But I realized the source of Eric’s discipline is commitment. Right? So again, when Eric makes a commitment, he honors it by his actions. Wow,

Brandon Handley 35:27
Dad love that. I love that

Randy Hyden 35:28
demonstrated that for me. And I knew, because we’re friends and such that this was something that was not like trying to, I don’t know, figure out how to do a manned spaceflight to Mars or something, right? You know, my friends can do it, then maybe I can do it. And he didn’t know at that point in time, we were two different. He’s in Las Vegas, I was in Southern California. So it wasn’t like we’re hanging around all the time. But again, somebody had demonstrated to me what it was like to be a man who could make commitments and be disciplined enough to achieve his goals in life. And therefore, you know, it wasn’t like, I don’t know, watching some movie where you know, you’re, you’re inspired by the hero and the story and all that kind of stuff. It wasn’t fictional. It was, it was very, very true. And, yeah, so that’s very powerful. And I, again, that happened over and over this last 14 years of people I would meet men I would meet, they would would have something that I wish I had a little bit more of. And I was very fortunate. The Psychology of this is that it’s kind of Shadow Work. What we are attracted to, is something we possess in ourselves. But now, some people may have also heard it referred to and can spot it, you got it in negative form. Absolutely. So those that those people that do things that annoy us, we find unattractive, that’s something we’re carrying in our shadow. So again, another practical tip, when I find someone who’s behaving in a manner that again, I can proclaim them to be a jerk. And write that, um, that’s a moment for me to reflect and it’s like going, how am I like that person? Right? Or, you know, so? Oh, yeah. And I can be a little more again, back to mindful I can just be conscious of the fact that I don’t want to be loud, rude, obnoxious, but I’m gonna dominant. an egomaniac with an inferiority complex was raised. Not sure. I don’t want to move through life. Okay, ready? Is it important enough for you to do something about it? Yeah. So again, having a mentor, a person that I admired, and something that I wished I could have more of, in, that they possess in their character? Yep, they could give me some tips, some techniques, couple, you know, shortcuts to how to say that I wouldn’t have to necessarily take as much trial and error process to figure out how to do this. And again, it’s always simple. You want to be more honest. Okay, just be more honest.

Brandon Handley 38:13
Right? It doesn’t have to be complicated. Now. One of the things you know, we do here spiritual dope is we talk about, you know, how do you take these, these kind of their revelations and usually, you know, just does what they are the kind of revelations of epiphanies and new ways of being and integrate that into your daily life. And what I want to read a little bit about what you put in what you put in information that is shared with me here is you know, what, what is more important right now immediate satisfaction or long term gratification, but this other piece really kind of stood out to me as well as so many people are working poor, plus, they’re doing a job they hate, we get clear on our highest values surround ourselves with people who share the same values, live in alignment with self evident principles, we can get clarity and confidence to be more like the person we were born to be. Which is an internal stuff I’m just going to finish read it because it’s really great and you know, touched me when I read it is an internal state of being we were not born to have anxiety, burnout, regrets, resentment and shame. That’s what’s covered in the beginning. I get those headshots less important to you, and you will easily recognize what makes you come alive and and then you will do it, then, you know. So, again, you know, how that feels good to say. Feels good to feel, you know, it feels good to read. What are some ways that you can suggest to people to apply it?

Randy Hyden 39:44
Well, first, thank you for sharing that. I know those are my words. When you read them. I’m like, Yeah, I did write that. Honestly, man is I’ve been talking about I’ve retained, I don’t know, 20% of that. But what I know when that was written it was very much Begin about just getting clear what’s important right now getting centered, and then float out.

Brandon Handley 40:05
That’s great.

Randy Hyden 40:06
And, and yeah, I’m just gonna go, that’s good, man.

Brandon Handley 40:11
That’s great. I mean, again, like, like I said in the beginning of the podcast, right, you know, something, we’re vessels for we’re vessels for creative energy, right? where, you know, if we look at God as the creator, were made his image, then we’re creators, two or four attached to God, Gods with him as well, you know, all one, then again, we are creators, we are vessels for creative creativity. You know, whatever that looks like to you is one thing or another. But when you communicate, and you and you share something out the way that you wrote there, that’s, you know, that’s truth flowing through you. And that you’re, you’re you’re needing to share with others. Right. And that’s, that is a creation in my mind.

Randy Hyden 40:53
Yeah, so they get so as I joked around and said, it’s like, it’s all bullshit and stuff, you know, a person just trying to be light hearted. But on the other hand, yeah, when you talk about truth, yeah, when I can get in that, quote, unquote, spiritual state, which, whatever that is, I’m no monk.

Brandon Handley 41:14
It’s a surrender state, right?

Randy Hyden 41:16
It’s a state of surrender. Again, it’s just again, the practice is just I do my breathing. I’m letting the noise in my head, dissipate in just calm down. And this just comes through. And it’s like, I’m collaborating with God. And it’s, this it comes back. I’ve said it already before a couple times, in stuff is. In fact, you have lots of words right now you just really can’t describe this you have to experience and it’s amazing. And it’s, it’s like life is better than you could ever ask for even even imagined. And, yeah, so therefore, again, default, you know, otters at god okay? I’m some some guests on my guest forgot, you know, kind of thing. I don’t, I don’t think I’ve had that many just flukes in my life. They’re just dumb luck, dude, something came out of you. And in fact, we haven’t really talked about this other thing. I’ve got a collection of writings when I went through my going to talk about my friend Alan and him eventually becoming my sponsor, Alan had I don’t know what it was an aneurism or what exactly it was. But basically it was were a spinal cord went to his brain, it exploded where the to attack. And yeah, and I was overly dependent super codependent on this man. Right? He couldn’t talk, he was doing care and all this kind of stuff. I mean, it was a major thing. It took him probably eight months before he could even like point at letters, spelling things, things out. And because I was so relying upon him to process things that were percolating in my head. I was very fortunate, a mutual friend suggested start journaling. So I’ve Frankly, I got a collection of a bunch of stuff that I would read to my wife. Similar you just read that to me, and she’d come back was she goes, did you write that? I talked to you every day and you don’t talk like that stuff. But it was again it was not by virtue but circumstance that I was processing shit that had to come out. And and because my ego my wind and stuff, trying to discern whether this was something that is politically correct, or you know, is appropriate for for this conversation and stuff and get my being so much in my head, and instead trying to find some balance between the head and the heart stuff coming out that all Yeah, you know, this is where I guess this is like a lot of my low self esteem. And think I wasn’t capable, I wasn’t worthy of really being the man that against that I aspired to be also and it’s just like, dude, you’re you’re not as big of a piece of shit as you think you are. I you know, counteract that I did get through my grandiosity and I had to get my moments of humility to come back. And when I was good about man, it’s like I am either. Not right of it. I think it’s the pendulum still rocks back and forth with those 100% but it’s not as far and therefore it’s not as long and there’s, there’s a lot more time where I can be centered, I can be in alignment. And I know I’m really grateful that I’m still alive.

Brandon Handley 44:39
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 44:40
I’m old. For some people. It’s just again, just, you know, start going against it as you get older. But yeah, we all went at it pretty hard. When we were younger. I was no longer here and Alan died a sober man, but there were two other guys. He was smoking. When I was around mark, Marty and Tim, and I was envious of them, they hadn’t made the progress they had had had the spiritual awakening before. I did. I wanted that and stuff. And for whatever reason, it didn’t seem to stick with that. Of the four core of us. I’m the only one who’s still on this planet. Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, I know why they’re gone and why I’m still here. But my back to guessing and in such is I think this recovery was not just for me, either. There’s a big reason to my motivation behind this one, as you know, was instilled upon me, and it’s out of gratitude. Have men helped me that I want to help people, this law of reciprocity. But yeah, I shares we’re talking right now, Brandon, everything that I’m doing right now, is is is my desire to share freely as it was freely given to me the opportunity to see these principles to see these processes, but basically, the principles and process of a 12 step thing is a 12. is no one’s ever heard the 12 step before. The 12 step is having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps. We practice these principles in all airfares, and try to help the person who’s still suffering.

Brandon Handley 46:15
Not I mean, look, I love that right. I definitely love that. Well, let’s, let’s let’s um, you know, let’s we’re winding down, I want to just give the opportunity for you to chat a little bit about what people can expect and when we can expect the sober, soulful, successful summit.

Randy Hyden 46:34
I should be better prepared. I don’t have the exact dates. We’ll call it middle middle of January. Okay. So yeah, very, very grateful for this at that. Yeah, I just kind of popped into some Facebook groups and stuff. And some people I’ve known over the years, I have like 30 people that want to be presenters. Wow. At this, it’s, it’s amazing. Yeah, we’ll kind of see how as things progress, who loses interest and this stuff. Um, but yeah, so basically, again, with if you’ve ever been to a music festival, and over three days, and each day, there’s the headliner. And then you have the supporting acts. So if you can figure One day, the like the Friday would be super. And the headliner for the second day, it’s so full. And then the third, third day successful. Now, again, these all are part of a fabric they all intertwine, and again, these people I envisioning, and where they could probably get plugged in on any day, but it’s their presentation. It’s their moment, I’m really just facilitating, then the opportunity presented to an audience we’re going to have. But yeah, if you could imagine you go to a concert, you want to see the headlining band, but you heard one of the opening acts, and you’ve never heard of them before. But after their performance, after what they share, you go, oh my god, I want all the records now. And now I go through there, and they hear something that they want, and then they’d like more of it. Well, they’ll be kind of like, what we’re doing right now is, tell me a little bit more if they want, want to connect with you. But also, that’s where this flow community is all these presenters and more, we’re gonna have like 30 people, or more, my intention is even more in the community that have gone through the problems, and they’ve gone through their pains, they’ve processed the trauma, but also got clarity on their passion, what they’re being drawn towards, and, and basically wanting to pay it forward in this in this online community called flow state of being present in the state of flow. And I’m really, really excited because again, the premise is that, you know, somebody might did what I say, and we can connect, and we can have something that again, it’s hard to describe, but maybe not. And again, that’s Genesis a quad like something that you present somebody who could connect with what you you’re sharing your language, your emphasis more so than me, and that’s fine. So again, we’re just kind of stacking the debt, we’re increasing the odds, if somebody comes in there, and like myself, I didn’t know what was going on, I just knew I was miserable. You come in there, it’s a place of respect, kindness, you know, and, and it can, one of the ground rules will be if you want to, you got to vent there’ll be a section or called Get it off your chest. Like, you got to vent and stuff, but you can’t. You can’t do the stuff you see in social media, people make it if I disagree with you, and stuff, then I’m going to try to win the argument in a Facebook post and stuff and persuade you to think the same way I have this right. You know, hey, if you want that, hey, there’s this thing called Facebook. But if you’d like to have a situation where you’re connecting with other people that are on this path of again, Randy, let’s be clear, real quick. you’re developing this platform off of Facebook then as well right so flow is outside of Facebook, and In its own community, is that correct? Yeah, yeah, it’s on the circle platform, it’ll be developing will be launched that will be in the next 30 days, because what I want to do is have something going on. So when the summit happens, and people want to go to it, there’s already people instead of a ghost town.

Brandon Handley 50:16
I got a question for you though, too. I mean, could you know, you know, do you, do you feel now two things one, do? Can you imagine, you know, 13 years ago and seeing yourself do this now, that’s one and two, you know, a big part of what it sounds like you’re doing is, you know, you’re, you talked about it early on, you know, cheese here, you’re moving with less resistance, you’re moving with purpose and intention. Sounds like you’re trying to and you really are. Serve something greater than yourself.

Randy Hyden 50:50
Yes. Thanks for recognizing it’s cool. It’s, it’s a good compliment. I like that. Yes, I am intentional on that. And in regards to the first part of the question. Yeah, I used to say what I get I do have a Judeo Christian, you know, basis for my view. But yeah, I would talk to people and say, Look, I could sit across the table from Jesus Christ. And I know for sure, this is us. And then we can substitute Buddha whoever or whoever and kind of stuff. But this divine person pretty much got it all figured out and knows who I am and can say, hey, yeah, 13 years down the road, Randy, this this and this is going to happen for you. And I’d be like, you know, dude, I heard every word you said. But you’re gonna have to repeat it back because as far as I’m concerned, you got me confused with some other Randy dude. Right? Right. This is not me, right. But yeah, now that you can back to the incoming into we’ve got to experience once we go through this stuff. Yeah, my confidence is my clarity is increasing or getting sharper. My confidence levels are rising that I can practice imperfect action. And which I one thing here real quick. So in that again, the it church, the pastor de Brisbane, another mentor of mine, and such. He was talking about how the Hebrew culture 2000 years ago, the time time the Jew, Jesus walked around their concept of the Word Perfect, met, lacking nothing. So again, Randy, most of the time up until he shared that with me, perfect was getting my way. You know, I have my preferences. I have my attachments a perfect world, this would happen and this Right, right, right. You know, and so but with that concept, do I lack anything?

Brandon Handley 52:47
No, man.

Randy Hyden 52:48
No. And so that’s about the most most spiritual thing right now. This is the latest epiphany. epiphany for Randy is Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 52:59
I lack nothing. That’s great.

Randy Hyden 53:01
I walk I get to walk around the block this morning, beautiful day as I’m walking around here and the birds. And I just everything was okay. Yeah, my three, I’m safe. Have my health I have people that I love. There’s people love me. You know, I have a vision. It’s, it’s coming forward.

Brandon Handley 53:22
Powerful, too. You know, if you don’t mind, I think that I think that what is your idea of vision? And you know, what does that mean? mean to you?

Randy Hyden 53:33
Well, you know, you can we’ve been talking about my vision it in that way. But, you know, I think for myself a lot of times what I would call purpose, or my calling. Dr. Stephen Covey called it your voice. In such. For me, it’s something that’s really important, but it’s also benefits others. So first, someone else again, on the exterior, whatever it is, what’s important to you, and then back to get it. Perhaps you want to be a pastor priest, you know, guru and stuff and you want to share enlightenment with other people. Okay, that’s something that again, just resonates with you again, my definition of spirituality is that that what animates life and what just makes me just be more alive than normal. But I have no concept of time I’m gonna just present and everything Life is good. But then again, maybe somebody’s purpose is just to be the dad they didn’t have Yeah, look, I mean, they feel great being the dad right. And and it’s obviously gonna benefit the kids. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 54:43
mean, there’s beauty in that right. It’s just I think the the idea that you said to on vision is this kind of greater than yourself, right includes others has has purpose and feeling involved in it. sighs this guy says curious what your take was. And, you know, how important do you feel like it is for you to have this vision?

Randy Hyden 55:07
Well, when I, when I was newly sober, it was what kept me sober. And in this vision I’ve been sharing with you, and with people listening here and stuff, it’s evolved over the course of time. But it’s been in North Star for me is, you know, trying to bring the principles in the process, the 12 steps. Initially, it was because I was going to church I was considering vocation would be in a pastor and stuff, bringing that to the church community and bringing more of the church community to recovery, and all that kind of stuff kind of being a bridge. So read my earlier writings are much, much more Christian in their orientation, good or bad. It’s just again, I could reflect and see where my head was at that. But yeah, on the other hand, you know, it’s, again, to be intentional to be in a state of flow is to be focused, okay, so am I going to just be focused on the moment or in this conversation is a piece that will, you know, it’s presenting the vision to someone else, it is a marketing, it is a brand people again, I’m just being myself, you know, but it is in a shaper for his uncle Jimbo said, Just be yourself. So again, this is intentional in the process of bringing it forth, you know, so more people can know about what something is really important to me. And, again, it’s really interesting how, again, I’m meeting people like yourself, that I never get one, we known each other for a short period of time, definitely listen six, six months, and we’ve only had a few conversations, but I really enjoyed what you put on Facebook, I really enjoy our conversations. And and again, there’s more of you, that have been coming together. This is the third conversation today, of people that they get all at all, are just really the beginning of a friendship of a relationship. And as we choked around again, I made it’s proving to me that I am in a frequency level that is attracting people also at that other higher frequency level.

Brandon Handley 57:09
Yeah, I

Randy Hyden 57:10
love that is really super, because it’s back to I don’t trying to find balance between the subjective and the objective. Okay, and again, here suggested being basically my personal preferences, my opinions and interpretations of moments and such. But the objective kind of just being too close to 401 can be four as well, too. But you know what I mean, just trying to be and when involves human beings, again, it’s, it’s like we go into a court of law, it’s in perfect, but it’s the best way guy is when you’ve got three or four people that are verifying the facts of something happening, then there’s this guy called the judge or gala call, the judge that looks at all these different things and comes finds the commonalities and conclusions is with us is what we’ve been talking about.

Brandon Handley 57:58
Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing, too, right? I’m glad you brought that up. I mean, you get what you put out, right. And this is just another example. Or you get what you put out, and the idea of, you know, kind of what you seek is seeking you. Right. And so I think that that’s, that’s a little bit about what this exemplifies? So, Randy, I mean, this is, it’s been an awesome conversation. I feel like, you know, we could definitely, you know, have many of these, and I think that we will, I’m looking forward to two more of them. But for now, we got to close it on down. And what I want to do is let people know where they can come find out more about Randy Hyde, and where should we go to find you?

Randy Hyden 58:41
Well, if you’re on Facebook, attitude of gratitude, or a attitude of gratitude, long story on that. Yeah, the in 30 days, if you’re listening to it for 30 days, or this time we’re recording it. Flow is just www FL Oh, ah, it’s all I could get for a URL for the workflow. But afterwards, I was like, like, oh, whoa, I think it’s gonna work. And then there is a website called Attitude of Gratitude as well. That’s back to where like when I talked about where it was more about leading people in gardens and stuff that’s going to be revised soon. But yeah, and then, I guess I probably get a website going for this, you know, silver, soulful, successful thing. That’ll be, that’ll be in Facebook land. Promoting that. And again, I’m very fortunate. There’s a lot of other people that believe in it, support it and think it’s a good idea too. So yeah, that’ll be happening in January. So

Brandon Handley 59:47
awesome, man. Well, thank you so much for thanks for thanks so much for stopping by and hanging out today.

Randy Hyden 59:51
Thank you. Again, thank you so much.

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Jean Walters is Amazing on this Episode

Stop in and check out the conversation that Jean & I had reviewing her recent book “The Journey From Anxiety to Peace: Practical Steps to Handle Fear, Embrace Struggle, and Eliminate Worry to Become Happy and Free”.

 Jean Walters is a Saint Louis based teacher of self-empowerment principles for over thirty years.  She has studied metaphysics extensively and applies univeral principles to every area of her life. 

Jean’s mission is to guide people to the Light – to encourage, instruct, and assist others to live freely and express from their Highest Selves.  Jean is an Amazon Best Selling Author.

She has been listed in Who’s Who over 30 times.

Connect with Jean over at https://spiritualtransformation.com/

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in their thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. I for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with Jean Walters. She’s the author of the journey from anxiety to peace, practical steps to handle fear, embrace, struggle and eliminate worry to become happy and free. Now Jean has written a large number of other books and has you know, she’s been at the forefront in this movement for personal transformation, clarity and truth for over 40 years through her writings, consulting coaching and Akashic Record readings, which we got to talk about for people all over the world. She’s been a consistent source of light, clarity and inspiration, she’s intention and commitment to deepest truth have brought her to share her wisdom and guidance to 10s of 1000s of clients and students as the leading authority on metaphysics, she promotes deep spiritual connection and enlightenment. She’s authored articles and columns and major newspapers and magazines all over the United States, and is a best selling author on amazon.com. There’s quite a bit more here, which will be part of the post. But your overall mission gene is to lead people to light to encourage, guide and assist others to live freely and express from their highest selves. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 1:52
thank you, instead.

Brandon Handley 1:55
Thank you. Thank you, and thank you for being on today really looking forward to the conversation happened for a little bit here. Now, one of the things that we touched on there, see Akashic Record reading, and I think it’s gonna play really well into how I like to open these up. And that is, there’s somebody who is listening to this podcast today. And as you and I are designed more as like these vessels for energy to speak through, right? What is that message that somebody needs to hear from you today? That’s kind of sources speaking through you,

Jeane Walters 2:30
you know what, as we talk, they’re going to find their message. So we’ll probably cover a range of topics and ideas through this podcast, but something’s going to stand out to each person that listens, that at the end of every class, I say to this, who is what was it that stood out to you tonight, and they always have something and the point of it is, is that you’re going to hear something different than maybe I do, but it’s going to resonate to exactly where we are in life. And that always works. It’s, it always works because spirit is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and it’s always there, we’re in it, we’re above it, we’re living in it, we’re breathing it. And so we’re constantly being guided every single day to what it is that we need to understand, change, let go of move forward with the opportunities are there. So somebody I what you really, I hope people will email you and say, Hey, this is what I heard. That would be wonderful for you. And then you’re pass that on to me. And we’ll both we’ll both celebrate. How’s that?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely. I love that. Right? That says nothing better than somebody reaching out to you and letting you know how you’ve impacted them. Yes. And And to your point, you never know what is they’re going to hear or receive. And they come back with some of the kind of uncanny things like, wow, okay, I didn’t hear that in the conversation. But I’m glad you did.

Jeane Walters 3:52
And people call me like, 40 years later and go, you said this, and it changed my whole world. And I went, Oh, well, that’s cool. I don’t remember saying it sounds like something I would say.

Unknown Speaker 4:05
Sure.

Jeane Walters 4:06
It’s always thrilling when that I get that kind of feedback.

Brandon Handley 4:09
That is absolutely. So let me let’s talk a second about how you found yourself in this space to begin with. And I love the listeners to understand that and a lot of us, myself included, I mean, I’m probably three or four years into this kind of journey myself. So I’m super curious to hear how you came into it and how you stuck with it and what that’s done for you.

Jeane Walters 4:29
Yes, well, I had the opportunity to grow up with a very fear based mother and so she was a constantly worried constantly anxious and pretty much a wreck and today we would probably have diagnosed or medicated her and you know, so forth. But back then we didn’t do any of that stuff. But she was she was everything I read accuse her that you could make a hangnail into cancer, you know, because everything was just disastrous. So I I didn’t like it and I was constantly talking trying to talk Come out of it. And I was trying, I was pointing out things that she could be happy about all the time. And so we were fighting, and we were, we were like on opposite ends of things. But the thing that occurred to me is that I’m going to find another way, I’m going to find another way. In fact, I’m going to eliminate worry from my life. And, and that’s exactly what my journey was started. You know, I started reading and studying and finding ways and this was before you heard about meditation, and now it’s rampant. But this was before that, and I did, I went into some metaphysics classes, I learned to meditate. I read the Bhagavad Gita, I read the life of masters of the Far East, I just gobbled it up. And but the thing is that I learned how to practice it, because I have a very practical side to me where I don’t want to just hear about it. And I don’t want to read about it, I want to do it. So that’s how it moved me forward into a different kind of lifestyle. So I can say that I have eliminated worry from life, because I see that there’s another way to be, you can get above the things that are going on, and you can look at it from another dimension, and you can get your answers that way. But when people Meyer themselves, and I mean, that’s the right word, Meyer themselves into trauma and drama, and so forth, all they can see is more trauma and drama. And that’s what was going on with my mother. So she was unable, she was unwilling, I think, in many ways, she was unwilling to actually look at life from another point of view. But I at the very end, she was she actually thanked me and was very respectful, which I thought was pretty amazing. For someone like that, you know, it I I saw her anxiety affecting her health, and I really knew that it was affecting all of us as a family. So anyway, I don’t know, I think, I think that was a gift in many ways, because it really motivated me to look beyond to find other ways to dealing with life. And there are answers everywhere. I mean, Jesus gave us a lot of answers. So did Buddha, and probably every other master that we could study, you know, they all had the same kind of answers to help us though.

Brandon Handley 7:14
I love it. Um, it you know, when you when you say it like that the the idea, even like we already said is that, you know, you’ve got Buddha, you got Jesus, and they’ve got their, you know, they’re their kind of doctrine, if you will, or at least knowledge that then wisdom that they passed on. But each person is kind of going to have a different approach to that. And they’re only going to be able to hear maybe so much from from one of those. So you need, I think you need all those different flavors, if you will, so that everybody’s able to kind of come at it from a different direction.

Jeane Walters 7:45
Well, they were kind of like the finger pointing in the direction, basically, I don’t think they were here to be worship. In fact, I don’t I know for a fact that they did not, that was never their intention, but they pointed the finger in a direction and the direction is really self mastery. So that’s, you know, basically what I’m getting to more in this book is how to manage how to take control of your own mind. because your mind is the part of you that creates your experience. And if we’re constantly looking at what if this, and what of that and what I should be afraid of today, then we’re gonna constantly be creating, you know, an experience of fear and drama and pain and suffering, which is unnecessary. But we have but is it by discipline, because we have been surrounded with all kinds of negative messages. I mean, just all you have to do is turn on the TV for five minutes, and you’ve got a half a dozen right there. So we have to choose very carefully who we allow in our life, what kind of activities we partake in how we choose to look at these things. And you know, it’s like, I think you and I were talking a little bit earlier that an opportunity can show up or, you know, to meet a certain person or to try a new experience, what I’ve learned to do is listen to my intuition and go, is this something I need to do? Is this some business, right? And when it clicks, as I say, what sort of clips then I move forward with it. And I think anybody can do that. It’s not magic or anything, but we have to train our minds so that we’re actually receptive. Also, people tend not to create goals, they don’t decide this is, like I said, early, you know, I want to learn away so worries, not even part of my life. And I so that was a focus. And because of that focus, I took all the steps to move in that direction. It didn’t happen overnight. But I learned and I think that’s the thing that people have to understand is that this is not this is not like a lightning strike that hits you and all of a sudden you’re aware, but but it’s a matter of steps because we we have to in many ways we have to move beyond the the ideas and beliefs that we were taught you know, I that’s a big thing that I do is I help people recognize where they got stuck, what kind of belief they bought into that has kind of in many ways messed up their life. And unworthiness is a universal thing. You know, and they base it on the craziest stuff, you know, be I’m unworthy just because I must be because that’s what I was taught. That’s silly.

Brandon Handley 10:24
Yeah, like that. I mean, you talked about one in the book to the, the, he talks about kind of putting yourself not first, right, because, you know, some of you are maybe smarter or raver come to answers ahead of others. So you learned a lesson, you thought the lesson then was, hey, I need to hold back and let the rest of the group catch up. You want to talk about that for a second, and maybe how you broke through that one?

Jeane Walters 10:48
Here. Yeah, that was a very powerful remembrance that I had. And it was only a few years ago, I remember that. And then it kind of made sense to me how I had been conducting my life. But I’m a twin. And my twin sister was always a little bit behind on certain things like math and things like that. And so I was constantly like, you know, Gene, teach Jane, you know, Gene, she doesn’t get it work with her. And so I learned how to be a teacher early in life. But one day, my mother, my sister, and I, and we were together with our third grade teacher. And she said to my mom, Jean is ahead of the class, and she could skip the next grade. But Jane is with the class and she’s right where she needs to be. So I think you should hold Jean back, because it would embarrass Jane. So think about all the messages that were there, you know, the message is, Jane’s embarrassment is way more important than jeans moving where she needs to be. And, and so I was basically taught to be ahead, or to be in some way smarter, was not the thing that was going to be honored, what was going to be honored. And this was definitely honored and my family, the poor, the victim, the poor, poor me person, that was the one that got the attention. So I disengaged early in life and became very independent. Because I saw this phenomena I saw really that you know, and I would even try to talk her out of it. Now I can change, you can do this, of course, you can do this. So later in life, I realized, oh my gosh, that’s a phenomena that has taken hold in my life like I hold back, because I know the answer, but they don’t. So I’ll wait. And I and I have done that I did that. It really made me very mad, which was a good thing. Because I was I wasn’t mad at myself for buying into it. But of course, I was a kid at the time. And I think some of the people in your audience are going to this is going to resonate to them, I really do believe. But at the same time, I thought no more. I’m never holding back again. And so that became my credo from there that point forward is like, if I feel an urge to take a trip, or learn a new subject, or speak in front of crowds, or whatever, doing it, I’m doing it. And even if it scares the crap out of me, I’m going to go do it anyway. In fact, I’m going to do it twice as hard.

Brandon Handley 13:16
Yeah, one of the things that I heard another two is a, Your Honor, anger almost a little bit, right, you had this energy. Yeah, this is something that recently for me, had always been dismissive, kind of, of like, my anger or whatever. And more to your point, like when you grow up, you know, you, your parents be like, Well, you can’t be mad at this. Can’t be mad at that. So it’s like a kind of a depression, right? Well, I guess I won’t be angry at this, and I won’t be angry and mad the other day, and, and it was a, I just held it for a minute. I was like, You know what, that’s I’m just angry. And that’s okay. You know what, that’s that’s what that emotion is that I’m feeling. And you could take it from there and redirect it right. And, you know, kind of redirect that energy. But there’s no sense in not acknowledging it for what it is to open this other door for you. Right, that, you know, that anger, that frustration when you found it and acknowledged it opened a new door for you?

Jeane Walters 14:09
Yes, it did. And also, the other thing I would urge people to do is when they feel that anger to ask themselves some questions, what am I really angry about? Because I can say I’m angry at my teacher, I’m angry at my mom, I’m angry at my sister. But really, it was me that took on the message and said, Okay, now you have to hold back. They didn’t say it. I just said it to myself. And that’s what happens with most people. They take something and then they internalize it and make it about themselves. You know, and though that’s so those are some of the things we’re in what I work with someone I can catch that and go, this is what I heard you saying this is where you’re telling yourself you can’t move forward. Right? And when a lot of times when they just see it, it’s like whammo, you know, like for me, it was a breakthrough. And, and for them, it could be a breakthrough. too, so we have a lot of breakthroughs in life if we learn to use them. I don’t think anger is bad. I think it’s really hard on you if you live in anger.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Sure, sure. I mean, again, like SOS It was a I’ve been dismissive of anger, right? And kind of like I had like, a wall off from from accepting or acknowledging the emotion versus Okay, that’s anger, you know, to your point. Where’s that coming from? Why am I feeling it? Am I angry at me? Or the situation? Right, you know, just don’t even pretend.

Jeane Walters 15:32
What do I believe that I’m angry about? Sure.

Brandon Handley 15:34
Yeah, I mean, because the opportunity to kind of take one step back away from it. And I love that you kind of talked about this in the book, tuners, a.

Jeane Walters 15:42
angers powerful. Yeah, it’s very powerful. And I what I notice about anger is we people get angry, when it’s time to take a step forward. Anger is like something that serves you, if you use the power of it to move forward. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 15:58
yes, it’s making me think it’s making me think of the thrust of wings, right? Like, you’re right. I’m just gonna get every lift off out of here. So

Unknown Speaker 16:07
so I really Yeah,

Brandon Handley 16:09
I like that, too. So and one of the things that to anxiety that your book is kind of covering anxiety, right, how to go from anxiety to another. And, and one of the ideas that struck me, and I’m not sure if this is true, like you are not on anxiety, but like, to me anxiety is kind of like this energy source and not being able to direct it right, appropriately. And, and so you’re just kind of like, ooh, what do I do with all this, and then having no internal or external appropriate, quote, unquote, direction causes this, this anxious thing happens, that makes sense,

Jeane Walters 16:42
oftentimes, is being in it, whatever the in it is, you know. But one, one thing I would say, and I say, to give you an immediate change, is if you’re sitting, then get up, or if you’re inside, go outside, whatever you’re doing, stop that and do something different. Just shift it, shift the energy, and just like that, you’ll get some relief. But once you like, let go of what you’re doing and where you’re at, then you can actually move your mind to a higher place, like imagine that you’re sitting on top of a mountain, and you’re looking down at the problem, whatever you think the problem is, and you’re just sitting there observing it, without any feeling, just watching it, your mind will now be open to some other ways of dealing with some possibilities will come through. But we have to shift our mind to get out of that mindset first, you know, and most of the time, we’re anxious because we’re feeling helpless, or it but the truth of the matter is, you’re you’re never really helpless. You, you can always do something different. You know, even if it’s like, stop everything, go to the gym for a while or just get outside and take a short walk five minutes, you’ll come back, you’ll you’ll be have a new fresh mind, your mind will always channel your answers, if you discipline your mind to be able to do that. Do you want to talk about that?

Brandon Handley 18:07
Yeah, I do. So I think he talks about it in the book too, right? And I’ll give you just my perspective. And see we’ll play off of that if that’s okay, you know, just kind of, you know, your, your your consciousness, like what we’re eminently aware of, like, I can see you You can see me we can hear this conversation, but the, to leverage it as kind of a filter as to kind of what you accept, assess like the, we’ll call it the 5%. Right? That’s my active brain. And then my subconscious is the rest of my brain like another 95% of there’s like, this is the thing that breeds my breath, does my blood draws my hair knows, I don’t know how to do any of that. But I’m doing it right. So once I realized I’m doing all these super powerful things already, I’m like, Well, why don’t I toss this question that like this 5% of like, my brain does, like, there’s a squirrel type stuff, right? I’m like, Alright, well, I tossed you know, the the one that’s got the capability to breed the breath and do all these things. I’m going to toss the I’m gonna toss the question to that. Yeah. And, and, and just walk away? Because I don’t know that I mean, so how is your approach similar? Where would you you know, I’m sure yours is different. But I’m just curious. So

Jeane Walters 19:20
no, I love that. But because it’s like getting into the not knowing is what I call it getting into not knowing is powerful. And the reason it’s powerful is because we open our mind to the field that knows, but we can’t open our mind to the field that knows, as long as we’re going, Well, I know what I have to do. And I’m going to do this and I’m going to do that. And this is way we’ve always done it and so forth. And all we’re doing was is on the dribble. We’ll go around it. Yeah. So if you take if you go to not knowing and go, I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know it. I just think there’s tremendous power in that. My method is to meditate and so basically What I’m doing is going into my 5%, as you would call it into my Viber set and just yielding to it, and allowing myself to just live in that spaciousness, because it’s very spacious. And to just be there, and whether if I have a question, okay, but sometimes I just go, there could be in the spaciousness, what it does is condition, your mind that it conditions your mind, and your mind is way bigger than your brain, by the way. But I know you know that. It conditions you to be able to live in this spaciousness all the time. So a lot of people don’t understand it, because it’s very nebulous. I mean, there’s not a forum to it, you know, and we like to have forms to everything. But anyway, once we learn to practice that, you’ll notice that people who meditate regularly are calmer, they don’t tend to be reactive, so much. They’re just they just healthier, because the blood pressure goes down. I mean, all of this been documented. But I love your idea about, go to the 5%. And just listen to that for a while. When you meditate. After a while your intuition gets stronger and stronger. We all have intuition everybody does, but it gets stronger, stronger to where you’re really learning how to listen to it all.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Thank you. And then you know, kind of the idea of, you know, what you focus on, right? I mean, that’s the other thing too, right? If you focus on that victimhood, you know what happens, right, and then how I weigh it, let’s talk a little bit about that. And maybe how you’ve gotten some clients to shift?

Jeane Walters 21:32
Well, first of all, you have to point it out to them. And, you know, if they’re real attached to it, they don’t like it. If you put it, but but you know, I feel like my job is my job. And if they come here, then they’re ready for me. So you have to point out that Oh, my gosh, you sound very much like a victim, you know, like, and you’re letting this person run you. And I pointed out a lot, you know, I mean, people do it. Like you’re letting the news run you right now and you’re letting the politics and what everybody’s saying run you I had a little girl in here. She’s 18 very cute. And she said, I asked her a question about how do you feel about that? And she said, Well, I I have to I have to talk to my friends. And I go, No, no, no, no, I don’t want to consensus. I only want to hear what you have to say about it. What do you feel? And she was like a deer in the headlight. She She was so not used to just coming from our own heart. But when I said, No, wait, just tell me what you think she did. And she was so clear and so perfect. And I was hoping that that was the moment she walked away with that, that she doesn’t need a consensus to figure out what she what she feels. So but I think that’s kind of typical. I hear it a lot like, well, so and so said this, and so and so said that I went and what are their credentials now?

Brandon Handley 22:51
Yeah, I mean, you know, look, we’ve been, we’ve been conditioned to look for others for answers all the time, right? School, go through school. Everybody else in front of us got the answers. Yeah, you’re at home, you know, your parents have the answers for what’s best for you. And even as a parent, right, like, I realized, I don’t have the best answers for my own children. Right, like, but that’s how we grew up. Right. That’s kind of how we grew up. I think that I’d be curious on your take, too. Are you seeing from you know, you’ve been you’ve been at this for a little bit now. Are you seeing a pickup, a rise in consciousness and awareness? I like to I like the word awareness, I think more Are you seeing present arise?

Jeane Walters 23:33
I do. I think this whole time period that we’re in right now is chaotic, but the thing about it is, is we’re moving as a whole quantum field, we’re moving into a different part of our growth, we’re changing from a very masculine, you know, very aggressive kind of energy into a calmer, more nurturing energy. And it’s kind of a mess. I mean, we’re, we’re moving from one to the other. We’re not in one completely. We’re not in the other completely. So it’s kind of mixed up right now. But but it’s all moving. And if we look around we go. There’s people being very kind. There’s people. Here’s something I hear all the time, I’m simplifying my life, I’m simplifying my life, I’m giving everything away. You know, I don’t want to have all this stuff anymore. And I think that’s a sign that’s a sign and I’m here at least every day, that people are just moving into a simpler energy. They don’t want to be cluttered anymore. Yeah, they don’t want to be owned by the what they own found out

Brandon Handley 24:33
that I mean, because he owned you, and the things that you have basically own you right and that or identify you and

Jeane Walters 24:43
you have to take care of them. You know, they’re taking space in your house, or you’re paying for their space that they’re sitting in a box on the shelf. That’ll never be in

Brandon Handley 24:51
the boxes. Lots of boxes. One of the things that you’ve got in the book I really enjoyed too, and I think you touched on it for Second, is that in your spiritual nature, you are also perfect. Right? We talk about this reminds me of a line that I heard from Bob Proctor a lot. It’s just like your spiritual DNA is perfect. Yes. Right. So what do you mean by that? Like? And how can how can I begin to use that as a seed for my own greatness?

Jeane Walters 25:22
What a lovely question. When you see a baby, you see pure light and energy you see love, you see inquisitiveness, you see, adventure, you know, you see, what is this? And what is that? And how does it work, and I want to do it, and you see joy and laughter, right, that’s our true nature. And so what we do tend to do is look at our body, we look at our things, we look at our form, and then we judge Well, you know, my nose is too big, or my losing hair, whatever it is, we make up in our mind. And we make that, you know, I, I, this thing about finding, you know, finding something wrong with you. I mean, a lot of that has been grown out of religion as a matter of fact, but as pure as pure energy. And when in the violences, God made light and called it good. And if you look, if quantum physicists look deep, they say take a microscope and look deep, deep, deep into everything, every substance, and you what you’ll find is light. So that means if you look inside of us, you’re going to find light. I’ve seen it since I was a little kid the light. But so that’s who we are, we are the light, but we’ve taken on all these other identities. So. So when we’re rebel, for instance, then we’re living out of rebelliousness, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how we use it. But we’re forgetting that who we are as a as a being is perfect. So that means when we come from love, we’re perfect. But we’re always perfect. As a spiritual being, we’re always always perfect. It’s when we identify with something beyond that, that’s when we get in trouble. That’s when we that’s when we look at ourselves and find fault and judgment and so forth. Does that make sense? Is that

Brandon Handley 27:13
it does, I enjoy that. It’s just so once you realize I yeah, once you realize that, you know, applying that right? And so I think, you know, for example, what I do is I once I realized that I used that as a seed for just to let my spirit grow, right? Not necessarily make myself feel better about anything, but just to realize that creature of divinity creature, the light, right type of thing, and again, spiritual DNA is perfect. So what am i growing? You know, I’m you look, I’m not gonna sit here and say, I’m perfect. You belong in

Jeane Walters 27:49
consciousness to have that awareness that you are in every moment, that perfect self. Yeah, you know, and that means if you fall off your bike, you just get back up and get on your bike, it doesn’t mean anything about you. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad bike rider or that you’re a klutz, or anything else, it just means you fell off your bike. Sure, all that life is that, you know, we define ourselves too much at the times, but what we did or did not do, and, and that’s, it’s good to learn from those things. But it’s not okay to define yourself as a loser, or even a winner or, because that’s a definition again, and it live, every definition limits ourselves. It Right now, we said we’re probably going to Democrat, we’re an independent, we’re, we’re, we’re limiting ourselves, because then we had to fit into that mold, whatever we dream up that mold to be. And we’re, we’re we’re more than that. We’re more than that. So I think this whole idea that we have spiritual, our spiritual DNA is perfect is realizing that whatever direction we go, we’re gonna find our way.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Let’s talk about that a little bit, too, because I really love that you hit on that in the book as well, you know, kind of no matter what choice you make, you’re gonna be okay. Right. So let’s talk to the audience a little bit about that. And maybe some examples of where you seen that play out for yourself.

Jeane Walters 29:14
Well, divorce. I mean, the first time I got a divorce, it was like, Oh, my God, you know, it was a stigma. And yet at the same time, and I’ve worked with so many people and picked on was there’s more diverse people than there are people are long term marriage, you know, that allowed, you know, I feel like there’s a theme and a purpose to every marriage and every relationship, for instance. And that when you maybe it’s to help you that my first marriage was to help me become very strong and independent, and to learn how to be responsible. I had four kids, you know, so there was a lot of responsibility there and I learned it but there was a point at which I needed to grow beyond that, and I was not going to be Be able to I was going to be held back again, hold back. So it was time to move on and and find another way. So is that a failure? Is that a success? What is it? You know, it’s To me, it’s like, it’s not even falling off your bike, it’s just realizing this particular part of the pathway is now complete. And I like the idea of going you completed that graduated from that. And because I think that’s a more accurate way of looking at things than to say, Oh, that was so sorry, that failed for you. And it didn’t fail. You know, it was a great success. I was even confronted someone on the radio, and he said, Oh, boy, you’re just saying whatever you’re saying, because your marriage failed. And I said, I didn’t have a failure of a marriage. My marriage was perfect. You know, it got me exactly where I needed to be. And hopefully him too, depending on because willingness, you know, but I think that’s a really typical example for a lot of people. And the same thing is true with jobs. I’ve seen people there was a fellow I met who was a head engineer at this company. And he had been there a long time. And he was going to be a lifer. And something happened in the company, that and they went down, the buck fell on his desk, and they said, you know, your fire, you can’t be here anymore. And he, first of all, he grieved. And then he said, Wait a minute, I’ve always wanted to start my own company. And he said, I never would have done that as long as I was in that situation. And so he started his own company was very, very successful. So I think that that’s how I look at things that happen for me and with other people is that there’s beginnings, and there’s endings, there’s always beginnings. And the first time I did a lecture, I was a total mess. But I know I was scared. And so what I did was, of course, I did it. And it was not very good. But each time then I went out to do a lecture I asked myself, so what exactly happened just then? And when did you get comfortable? And what made you comfortable? And when I started answering those questions and looking at the whole experience, I realized, when I decided to shift my attention to the audience, and not to me, I was fine after that. So. So that’s why the transitioning, inexperienced is a wonderful thing. Because you you can learn so many beautiful truths, by just observing it and asking yourself some questions. But the second you start judging it, then you’re, you’re kind of lost, because now it’s a bad experience. You know, I’ve heard people told me that being sick was the best thing that ever happened to them, because they realized they weren’t doing what they really wanted to do. And they can one gal one fella told me, he decided to become a clown. And he said, I’ve always wanted to be a clown. And so he decided to become a clown, because he got sick. And he realized I can’t waste my life anymore. So those are the things that I just really get a lot of inspiration from that. That’s kind of how I conducted myself.

Brandon Handley 33:11
So if you’re sick, you know, you’re not doing what you maybe you should be doing. realign yourself. And so I think that that’s, that’s also a lot of fun. And I think that there was, you know, another similar relationship that you mentioned in the book, too, that I thought was pretty cool, right? Like, there was a woman who had grown past that kind of relationship, but it was her self that needed the focus. And so she gave herself the focus. And it was just within that, that time that you know, she became happier and kind of let go with some other aspects in the relationship that she been giving energy and attention to, and therefore how to happier relationship.

Jeane Walters 33:49
Yes, yeah, right. That happens all the time. Yep, sometime, Brandon. And because we were so sort of programmed with this idea that we’re here for everybody else. And I love the idea of service. I love the idea of service. But I think the first person I serve is me, you know, because there’s no way I can serve anyone else if I don’t pay if I haven’t nurtured the quality wisdom within my own self, you know? So yeah, my mother was a great martyr. And we all all three of the girls learn Marty damn well, but I would catch it and go, Oh, my God, that’s my mother. And, you know, and I need to stop and reevaluate and go, Wow, how much do I give and how do I give and what really works for me because I am a giver. But I don’t want to exclude myself in the process, because that’s part of what made her sick. And it makes everybody sick.

Brandon Handley 34:51
Let’s uh, right. So, you know, kind of what you’re saying to and you also said this in the book, give, give, give like friendship. Brain give of yourself and I love the I forget where I heard it, but you’re, you know, you are the giver and the gift. Yes. So So what does that mean to you and just share that with with the group.

Jeane Walters 35:15
We have energy coming in through us all day long it comes into us. And then our job is to give it out. Okay, so we can give it out through a smile. And we can give it out through applause. Or we can give it out through supporting someone or we can give it out through writing a book or doing a podcast or giving out energy. And so many if we don’t know how to do that, well, if we’re not following the our own inner voice, and if I’m an artist, I want to give art, if I’m counselor, I want to give help and wisdom and support. So when we’re when we’re listening to that we’re giving it but what happens is it comes right, the energy comes right back into us only it’s multiplied. So giving is a very powerful thing. And the giver is is the one that gets the most out of it. But what we’re giving is, whatever I am is what I’m giving. So I’m giving nurturing, I’m giving kindness, I’m giving loans, I’m giving you support. Somebody else is giving their artistic ability, or someone else’s giving. They’re fantastic on how to fix cars, they can listen to an engine and go, I know exactly what it is. I think that’s a huge gift. I think somebody else’s giving. They know how to grow vegetables like crazy. And then they they do that and give that. So we’re giving all the time we’re giving up who we are. And that’s exactly perfect. That’s exactly what we’re here to do. So you’re not to, you know, there was a story of Norman Vincent Peale. Remember him power positive thinking. And he told a story about this young man he was working with and a young man had failed at the insurance business three times. Why was he in the insurance business because his dad was very good at the insurance business. And he wanted his son to succeed. But he forgot to notice that his son was not an insurance man. So what the son with peel was noticing as well. He was talking to this kid, he was feeling the wood on the table next to him. And he made a comment. He said, I noticed you’re feeling that word on the table. What is it about that? You said I love Ford. I absolutely love what I love. I have a building with it. I love making furniture out of it. I like designing furniture. I love it. And he said, Why aren’t you doing that? You know, so the kid got permission to follow his heart and do what he loved. And he was wildly successful doing this furniture. So to me the gift was his beautiful creativity, ability, his skill, you know, and what he received back was was appreciation, low money, you know, whatever. And, but he prospered because of that because he was alive now doing what he giving away what he what he was

Brandon Handley 38:10
right. And I love that and you talk about it in the book as well is the idea of kind of just doing what you love. And not chasing the money for it and think I’m guilty. Just as much as the next person. Especially with like, you know, social media, Instagram, all the all the Go, go do this thing that you love and monetize it, do the things you love and monetize it. Yeah. And and just trying to let that go what you know, kind of walk somebody through that, you know, how do you detach yourself even from the monetization aspect of it? Knowing I think, again, to that everything’s gonna be okay, just go do what you love. I mean, when

Jeane Walters 38:49
you get I think it, it becomes a natural movement. You know, you have to like, plan, I’m going to make a lot of money with this furniture, I think it becomes a natural movement. Like, I love your chair where you build me a chair like that, and I want to give you money for it. Okay, great. I’ll do that. And so I think it becomes a natural thing it did for me anyway, I was teaching a lot and in my students would always come to me and my counseling. And then one person said to me, why don’t you that’s your really your job. I mean, that’s really what you’re here to do. Why don’t you just do it and get paid? And I went, well, it made sense to me, because I realized that when people pay for it, they receive it. Have you noticed that?

Brandon Handley 39:34
Well, yeah, there’s I mean, there’s a big there’s a big piece in there too, right? Yes. And you’ll see the flip side of this where people will, you know, say, Hey, I’m gonna charge for something such as spiritual coaching, right? Like, well, you don’t need to charge for that. Well, if you don’t set a value for it, then then people won’t value it and it’s not just and and, you know, listen, that to me is more of just a socio kind of setting that works. Right. And if I don’t charge you for it, then then it’s gonna go on the shelf with everything else.

Jeane Walters 40:05
Exactly. And that’s what I noticed. Because in my in that when I first started teaching, I wasn’t charging for classes. And then then I noticed they weren’t taking it seriously. When I started charging for the classes, everybody started doing the things they asked them to do.

Brandon Handley 40:20
And the results were probably, you know, twice as effective, right? I mean, if if I give you something for free, and you don’t use it, how useful is that?

Jeane Walters 40:27
Yeah. And it’s also frustrating for the teacher 100% Why am I doing I’m sharing this beautiful stuff, and you’re not doing anything with it, you know, but I want to get to your point, though, I think it happens organically. I mean, I think that when I have a fellow that was going to the junkyard and picking up pieces of interesting metal, and then then he would solder them together or whatever, he found that and make these art pieces. And he just, he loves doing it. But at some point, he decided to take him to an art fair, at some point, he’s selling his art pieces. So I don’t think that you have to start out with the idea. Like, I’m gonna make a million bucks This way, you know, I but I think it comes organically, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:09
that makes sense, right? People start doing their art as kind of a again, you get and get rid of getting rid of the idea of a side hustle or putting pressure on yourself to create, right, and I think that that’s not a piece of start winding down here with, you know, the idea that you need to create, you know, your experience here your spiritual, everything boils down to the need to self Express, self actualize, and create a soft people about that.

Jeane Walters 41:40
Well, and even as a dad, you know, as a creative experience that, you know, when your son asks you a question, you’ll, you’ll have to ponder or maybe you want to take them someplace, and then there’s maybe something that you’re instructing them with that, but it’s a creative expense, even like when they’re crying and you just hug them. That’s a creative experience. So in we’re here we are creative beings. And we’re constantly emitting our, our channeling it. channeling is a great word, our creativity. And so we just do what comes naturally. And we’re really good at it, like, you

Brandon Handley 42:17
know, so I remember talking to somebody, I was coaching somebody, and I said, hey, you’re very creative. And she goes, Well, I’m not creative. I don’t know how to draw, I don’t know how to do this. And you’re breaking out of that paradigm that creativity is bound to paint, this is bound to a musical instrument. And to your point there, you’re saying creativity is creating a moment, right? Creating an instance where it’s memorable doesn’t have to be memorable. You are the creator of that, right?

Jeane Walters 42:43
Yeah. And then take it to another level is that where are you focusing your mind? What are you creating today? are you focusing on everything that has gone wrong in your life, then then you’re just creating more of that. If you focus on your appreciation, joy of everything, that’s that you’ve experienced everything that’s right in mind you, you create more of that, wherever you put attention on grows. And so that’s, I guess, the biggest meaning and message I’d like to give out is that pay attention to what you’re focusing on, because that is what’s going to grow in your life.

Brandon Handley 43:18
I love that you bring that up, because I’m just kind of glad I had some highlights in the book, right? While I was reading and you know, right there, what you’re saying too, is when you stop focusing on negativity, but I have this line highlight is the moral Is that you, if you are removing negativity, from your thinking, be sure to grow something new. It’s there. And I think that that may be a piece that is often left out in that conversation like, oh, if I just focus on both, so talk me through that one.

Jeane Walters 43:46
Yes, yes. The mind is always full of ideas and such. And so we if we say we’re going to create this empty mind when we meditate, No, you’re not. What you’re going to do is in the beginning, and you might get there eventually. But your mind is always busy. So if you if you don’t choose where you’re going to focus, then it will keep going back to what you’ve always focused on. So you’re really training the mind your it’s about training the mind to be where you want it to be, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, I just think he’s an amazing example of this. He was born in Austria, and he decided he didn’t want to stay there. But he went to a Kawan movie, and he decided I’m going to be an American cowboy. And so from that point on, he focused everything he did toward that goal. And he said, people would tell me all the time, it’s impossible. He said, I didn’t pay attention. They told me you couldn’t do it didn’t pay attention. Your accent is too thick, didn’t pay attention. And he just he took the English lessons. He, he did the bodybuilding thing. He found his way he people started supporting him. You got to the US me focus, focus, focus, focus, and he refused. used to any idea that he wasn’t going to make it. And I think that is so powerful. But that was the way he chose to focus his mind. And when we do that, that’s amazing. I mean, we can move mountains, we can move mountains. So we have to recognize when we’re off the track, and then we have to recognize we are off the track and move ourselves on the track. What is it you want? Now? How can you begin to focus now, what’s one step you could take today that will move you in that direction, anytime, write a letter, send an email, you know, make a phone call something, get busy, you know, and when you do that, you move toward the goal, the goal, the universe works that way. Whatever you focus on increases, the universe completely support you in that. And so when people are worried, worried, worried, worried, worried, worried about being sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, guess what happens, you know, and so this is so important, and it’s so relevant right now that we decide we’re what we want to focus on and keep moving. Just keep moving.

Brandon Handley 46:03
The big partner, right is just to take that first step. And make it be small. And that’s fine, right? Because a just any, any, any action into the direction of your dreams, your desires, whatever you feel like calling it to me anyways, your signals, the universe is like, Okay, I’m ready to I’m ready. Right, let’s let’s start. One of the things that is newer to me, and I’m curious on your take on this is the idea of surrendering to the universe, right? If I surrender to the universe, how does a if I surrender to the universe, I’m like, Okay, give me all the things or do all the things and like, I’m not gonna try and direct you because the universe has a greater idea and more experience than I do. Overall, right? But how do you pair that up with like, setting goals or like, you know, trying to make a direction? I think that that’s, that’s an interesting one, which I

Jeane Walters 46:59
love that. Thank you for asking that question. That’s great. So I said, so we set a goal, like Arnold is great example, I’m going to be an American cowboy, I’m going to be in the movies, and then he surrendered to how it was going to happen. But everything that walked across his path that looked like a pet, a way to get there, he took advantage of it. So that’s what we do is that we set our, our intention, you know, I, for me, it was I want to live in this energy of this higher self, I want to live there, and I want to help other people live there. So then I look at a class and a class might show up and go is that part of my journey? Is that I look at a relationship and ask, Is that part of you know, am I lined with this vote? And my focus? Is this part of my alignment? And then we get those answers, we begin to see that all of those things show up, because they’re in alignment with what we’ve focused on. But, but he didn’t say, well, it has to be through bodybuilding, or it has to be that bodybuilding magazine showed up. And he went, I’m going to do that. And that was part of his journey. So I think he’s a great example of seeing he knew what he wanted, and he didn’t know how he was going to get there. But as things showed up, he would take advantage. So that’s what surrendering to the universe is all about. I don’t know how I’m going to get there, you don’t know, you’re going to get there. So we acknowledge that. And in so doing, we create mental space to go. So what’s the next opportunity?

Brandon Handley 48:28
That’s great. sounds a little bit like the line of you looking for the evidence of it happening, right? And also, I guess it I don’t know about for you. But for me, I’ve got to have this kind of mentality of you know, this is a benevolent universe, I’m here for a reason and a purpose. You know, this is my intention going forward. And now I’m going to look for the evidence that the universe is kind of setting that up for me.

Jeane Walters 48:55
Well, if you think about your son and say, You’re I don’t know how old he is, but you’re going to teach your mind or throw the basketball or something or ride a bike, you know, you know that there’s you start with getting him on the bike, and maybe you’re holding the bike. But at some point, he’s now balancing pretty well, and you can kind of push the bike forward, and he’s got it. So to me, if you look at that as an example, that’s exactly what the universe does for us. You know, it’s teaching us through different modes and modalities, you know, how to get on the bike and ride it know without crashing?

Brandon Handley 49:30
Sure, sure. Well, is there anything else out of the book that you want to hit on? While we’re here?

Jeane Walters 49:38
The main thing that I am saying in this book is you can make a choice. Yeah, you can make a choice that if you want to live in a joyful life, you can choose that and then and then do the things that are necessary. There’s practical steps in every chapter. So you start One step, start on another step to get started, and start moving your mind and your energy in a way so that you are living the life you really want to live. Your it’s your choice, you have dominion. That’s the main thing I wanted to teach with this book.

Brandon Handley 50:17
That’s powerful. I think that, you know, toy choice, it’s like, because I have it written down here, to kind of hit on choice. But, you know, making learning to make that choice. Finding that awareness is kind of where the power is at. The funny thing about that is this for me anyways, when I did my journey, I thought I was always making choices, you know, but what I was really doing was accepting others choices for me.

Jeane Walters 50:43
Yeah, right. That’s what we do we start out that way, because we don’t even know that we can make a choice. Right? Yeah. And then, and then sometimes the parents these days are going well, do you want to do belt volleyball? Or do you want to do soccer, you know, so there is a choice about But before that, we’re just told, do this, do this go shorter this time, and whatever. So we do have to kind of teach ourselves along the way, we really are our best teachers.

Brandon Handley 51:09
And for people that haven’t figured that part out yet, like, what is

Jeane Walters 51:15
your life, just like your life and go? How is my life right now? Where am I happy? Where am I not begin to look at that and go, what choices got me to this point? And what would I like to change? And then what are the choices, I need to make an order to move in another direction. Just look at your life, your life will tell you exactly what your choices have been. And that is no judgment at all. Just observe it like you’re observing somebody else’s life. And then ask yourself some questions. You know, does this fit me? Because sometimes we stay in things so long that they don’t fit anymore. And then it’s not serving anybody to stay in something that’s over. It’s finished. You know, people die in their jobs. I mean, they’re like, they have dead eyes.

Brandon Handley 52:00
Yeah. Listen, I mean, so I mean, that was I mean, my 20s I was, I was at I was at a job. And it was, it was a fine paying job. It was a corporate job. There was money, there was benefits. But what there wasn’t was living. Yeah, I looked around everybody, and I saw the day everybody’s kind of walk around like zombies. What you’re talking about glazed over. And I set myself as like, if this is gonna be like, the end game as it can wait. Come back, right. This isn’t. This isn’t where I’m gonna spend my youth. And and I didn’t. And

Jeane Walters 52:38
you though, I mean, really. Kudos to you. Because you went for the, you know, he had a lot of money at the job, and a lot of people will stay for that. literally dying inside? Yeah, they have money. Sure. It’s like believing it. You can have money doing anything. I mean, I feel like money is one of the easiest things to get.

Brandon Handley 52:59
Sure. But well, hey, let me share that one with people. Because I mean, what how did you develop that mindset?

Jeane Walters 53:05
Well, you got to get past the unworthy stuff. I mean, you got to get past this idea that you’re limited being you know, like Arnold, he, he grew up in Austria for heaven’s sakes, he didn’t even know English. Right. You know, those were limitations by a lot of people’s estimation, but he decided no. So I think it’s how we look at things. I mean, it a lot of people just don’t feel like they deserve to have an amazing life. And but their father, I call it the yellow brick road. You didn’t you know, you grow up, you graduate, you get your education, and you get married, you have kids, and it’s like, wait for retirement. And, you know, it’s a road to death. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, I’m, I always want people to look a little higher than that, you know, like, those are all great things in their turn, if they’re right for you. Sure. And they’re not right for everybody. Right. You know, we can’t make it a cross the board formula, but I think that’s what we have done culturally. Right. You know, in your measured by that like, No, no, no, no, no, you don’t get to be measured by that. How many toys do you have? You probably have more toys than I do. So, does that mean you’re more successful than I am? No.

Brandon Handley 54:23
Right?

Jeane Walters 54:24
What is if success is joy?

Brandon Handley 54:26
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to have some joy, right? in your life.

Jeane Walters 54:30
What are the most, you know, I think about a Mahatma Gandhi didn’t have any money. Okay, um, Jesus didn’t work on money. You know, Buddha didn’t. He was rich, but he gave it all up. So all of these great masters. I mean, I don’t and Martin Luther King didn’t like work to have a million dollars. He didn’t do that. He had a mission show all of these great masters. were telling us that, you know, money was not their endpoint. Doesn’t but I don’t think money is a bad thing. I don’t want to give the wrong message. Oh,

Brandon Handley 55:03
yeah, no, no, but but but but the thing, more important to what you’re saying before, right? You know, do what you love and the money will follow. But we’re talking about these other people, you’re talking about the Masters, you’re talking about Martin Luther King, what they did have was something greater than themselves in their purpose.

Jeane Walters 55:21
And they were fed and they had whatever they needed. I mean, Nelson Mandela is another great example. I mean, you know, it wasn’t money was not the end all. But, you know, he had what he needed. I mean, he never went hungry. So that’s how life is, you know, we can’t make money, the goal, we can make it something to enjoy

Brandon Handley 55:42
100%. And it’s funny, because, you know, we have this kind of this conversation with my children, too, right? They tell like, hey, I want to, I want to get a good education so I can get a good job. So I can do as I stop, I’m like, wait, you you want to you want to provide value? Right? So I mean, just kind of flip the script a little bit. Yeah, I want you to make money in our money. Absolutely. But yeah, to do it, be because you’re providing value and we’re columns, he wants off, whatever, you know, have those those conversations with the children. So this has been a blast. I enjoy it. I want to say thank you for you know, it was your assistant that reached out to me, but you took the call when I called you back and enjoyed our conversation that first time. Enjoyed this conversation. And you’ve got plenty of other books for people to go to check out on Amazon. But this one, the journey from anxiety to peace is Is it is it out there now is it released?

Jeane Walters 56:32
It’s Yeah, it’s available. It’s actually international bestseller. Look at anything about the world ready for

Brandon Handley 56:38
you.

Unknown Speaker 56:40
It tells me there’s a lot of congratulations.

Brandon Handley 56:43
Yeah, there’s a lot of anxiety and I think this is I think this is a great book and like you said you’ve got on you know, in the sub sub text right? Yes, you know, practical steps to handle fear embrace struggle, eliminate worry. And you did you had a lot of yet a lot of great tips in there. Just like you had the practical applications here in the conversation as well.

Jeane Walters 57:02
Thank you so much, Brandon. I really this is fun, and I really appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 57:06
We really hope you enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove co You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual dough, and Instagram at spiritual underscore go. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email to Brandon at spiritual dog Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time, be kind to yourself and trust your intuition.

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Sam Crowely Everyday is Saturday

Sam Crowley is a former Fortune 100 exec who launched the personal development brand Every Day Is Saturday & the hugely successful EverydayIsSaturday.com. Sam is a best-selling co-author, speaker & business coach.

I followed Sam’s podcast for a while and eventually, I got the bug… I needed to create a podcast and I hired him to be my coach… it was during the process of creating the podcast and working with Sam that I had my “awakening experience” and at some point I had asked Sam if he could tell me what he meant by bringing someone to Christ.

That was a couple of years ago, and I wanted to capture what that meant from him again so that I could share it here with you…

Check it out and, hey, check out his podcast as well… very good spiritual dope!

Interested in working with Sam? Check out his current site: https://launchmymovement.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey, their spiritual dope I am on today with the legendary Sam Crowley from every day is Saturday and something I haven’t talked about on this podcast is is that Sam was sounds like my coach Sam’s like the reason I have a podcast at all. So, you know, super excited to have you on is Sam, what’s going on?

Sam Crowley 0:25
Hey, Brandon, great to be back, man. It’s been a minute since the last time we chatted. So I’m fired up. And I love spiritual dope. I think that’s a great title for a podcast. So congrats,

Brandon Handley 0:35
man, I appreciate appreciate your huge inspiration as to why I am where I am today. And I think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast. And I always like to start these off with like, Hey, you know, God kind of talks to us, right? We’re just we’re just here, living out his message. Right? So in that vein, what’s God saying to you today that my listeners need to hear?

Sam Crowley 1:00
Well, I think no matter where you’ve been, man, no matter how big of it, like I am the world’s biggest screw up, you know, I’ve made way too many mistakes in my life and you know, too embarrassed to talk about most of them. We hide a lot from you know, our authenticity, because we’re afraid that other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it. And you know, we end up tripping over our past man. And I’ll tell you, if you and I’m not saying you got to put all your stuff out, you don’t need to do that. But I just did a Facebook Live Video literally right, before we jumped on about this topic. So if I can share that if it’s okay, I just yeah, absolutely just want to say that, you know, I help people really gain clarity and with their messages, you know, and people are like, Well, I’m not an A list celebrity or nobody knows me. And I’m not famous that. That’s great. Like that works in your favor, because I don’t know about you, but I am way past wanting to hear from Hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life, or who to vote for or anything like that. I just, I go to a movie, I want to watch a movie, you know, I want to learn from everyday people that are struggling, that are having financial relationship, money problems, not that they’re whining on me, but they’re one step ahead of where I am. So if I’m making 10 grand a month, I want to learn from somebody making 20 grand a month, if I’m in a, if I got a girlfriend, I want to learn how to make that person, my wife and how to treat her right. If I want a closer relationship with God, then I want to plug into somebody who doesn’t need to be a pastor, just but somebody whose works have some messy stuff in their life. And they figured out how to just get through the valley, they haven’t figured life out. I mean, nobody’s got that figured out. So God places on my heart every day, watch what you say, Crowley because you’re a loose cannon out there. Okay, the tongue can be used for good and not so good. It can be used to tear down it could be used to build up. So make sure you try as best you can. Because I know you’re still gonna screw this thing up. But you got a podcast, it’s been downloaded 20 million times you got a little bit of responsibility. Now you’re not that bubble on a skillet, from way back in the day, who could just go all over the place. And so I just want everybody to know, your path should be celebrated that you’re still here. You made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just say they just want to know, can you get me from point A to point B, that’s all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. That is if it’s cleaning your carpet, trimming your trees, coaching, building a website, figuring out a mortgage, that’s all they want.

Brandon Handley 3:19
That’s it, man. I love it. I love it. You know? And that was actually again, one of the things I loved about you, right? It was a week we connected you. You’re promoting your podcast course. And I bet I was like that’s it. I mean, this guy’s got something I want, right? And that can get me somewhere. And that was the course. And then when I got the course, here, Sam Crowley shows up and like a baseball cap. And you know, there’s a whiteboard flip chart, he’s just doing your thing. And you look, it looked like I could do it. Right. I was like, Well, okay, that’s the next step for me. How can I How can I move to what Sam’s doing right and share at the same time share my message, right? I share this thing that’s in my heart, finding, what is that thing in my heart, right? Because man, talk to me about how you know, give the audience here who doesn’t know every day is Saturday, a little bit of background?

Sam Crowley 4:12
Well, my daughter back in the day, I was a corporate slave and I’ve been in the corporate game for 15 years, and I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. I was making about 110 grand a year salary, stock options, company car, all that stuff. But I had just become a dad recently, a few years prior to that. And my dad left me and my mom raising kids by herself. This was the late 60s I was born in 1968. My dad left you’d had he went crazy. just lost his mind left. My mom’s raising kids so you know, welfare and all that stuff. Free cheese, goodwill, clothes, all that and you know a beaut alcoholic mom pretty abusive verbally, but I knew she loved me deep down knew she loved me. She never told me never heard it once from a parent in my life. Wow. Or you are loved and I searched for that my whole life. It has a lot to do with why sometimes I do. stupid things is because I’m looking for that acceptance. Because I never had a grown up, man. All I ever heard from my mom was I never asked for you, and I never wanted you. You know, that’s what she told me a lot, you know, while she was on the ball. So I never held that against her though. So I said, God, if you ever get any kids, I’m just going to be the best part. I’m going to be that Dad, I’m going to be throwing the football, I’m going to be going to the games, the ballet, I’m going to be picking them up. And you know what, man? My daughters have never they don’t even know me ever having a job. They don’t recall me ever go into a job. And they don’t ever resonate. They just know me as the guy that’s into drop offline and the pickup line at school. And look, man, I am not you know, Mr. Mom, I’ve got a wife at 22 years, he does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at 24 weeks one pound. And we didn’t sleep for three years because the kid was in children’s hospital. 221 days begging for life. When she comes home, we turn her house into a hospital. She was on a train ventilator and all of that. So you know, the everyday Saturday story, by the way, she’s six years old. Now the happiest kid you’d ever seen no trick, no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem, things like that. But she’s built in the image of the Creator, just like you are just like every listener is built in the image of the Creator. You know, I’m a Christian. So I believe that we all have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And I think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the Old Testament, you got Moses, you got David, you got everybody like that. And, and they say, Man, what is it like to live with the Holy Spirit inside you? Hmm. We didn’t have that before Christ, like, Whoa, that would be like, wow, you got all these people in the Old Testament would have loved have had the Holy Spirit, the Spirit Jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. Were bulletproof man, you know, we’re only here for a short period of time. That’s why I walk around with kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say Hey, man, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me I don’t worry about finances, I have a little bit of anxiety, worry about my you know, but but that’s what it means to me. And the whole everyday Saturday messages is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self. And I know I’m gonna make some people I’m pissing people off, I get it, I’m gonna acquire taste. And I’m not I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, I get it. But I’ve been able to, you know, through only through the grace of God and the Holy Spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with and just allows them I teach people how to share a compelling story. That’s it. I teach people how I do 10 minutes story, podcast, in my car in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. And I’ve been doing it for 15 years. And that’s really the crux of my business. It’s so embarrassing. But it’s what I do. Like that’s all I do

Brandon Handley 7:42
not and it works for you. Right? I never knew the the part were never never caught that, you know, your mom never even said that. You know, I love you. That’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to tough way to grow up.

Sam Crowley 7:55
But you make you appreciate, it makes you appreciate because it makes you do a 180 in life. Like if you’ve been if you’ve been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you’re sober for X amount of days, or you’ve been a drug addict or you’ve been up up, you’ve been addicted to porn. We all have addictions, man, I was addicted to money and ego and all that. But when you never hear I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don’t have a drink? Or do you make sure you’re more cognizant and forgiving of those that are going through tough times? I think it I’m not trying to go all you know the other way. But I really think it’s a blessing if you can just look at it from that perspective, you know?

Brandon Handley 8:32
Well, yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a big challenge to to get to that point, right? You got to get you got to get to that point to be able to say, you know, everything that I went through was to prepare me for what I need to go through. Right, or to help other or to help others get through similar things, right? Be like, Hey, here’s, here’s a path forward, you know where you are, right? Now, if you’re talking to somebody that’s in a similar situation that you went through, be like, hey, there’s, there’s a way out. And here’s what I found. That works for me, right? I love how you brought up like, you know, kind of the Holy Spirit, right? Being imbibed with that touch. I mean, I’m not 100% sure what you mean by that. So if you could tell the audience what that means to you, I’d love to love to share that.

Sam Crowley 9:08
What Jesus said that I leave my spirit with you when I die, I’m going to heaven. And I’m seated at the right hand of the cross. And I will come back again one day to judge the living and the dead, you know, and as Christians, we know that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins we Christianity is not a deeds driven religion. You can’t you know, you can’t go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or say 10 our father’s in a hail mary or anything like that. That’s not getting you into God’s already given us through the grace of his son’s death. We have that tickets been punched. So it’s not like you go out there and you don’t act nice. It’s just that it doesn’t matter. Brandon, you could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody and you and I are still getting into heaven. As long as I asked for forgiveness of my sins and accept Christ as my Savior. There are 10 commandments in the Bible. Thou shalt That steel is one of them. That you know. So if you steal $1 from somebody knowingly and I go kill someone, those are viewed equally in the Bible isn’t as you’ve broken a commandment, there is no little white lie or venial sin or mortal sin, all stuff. So what it means to have the Holy Spirit inside of you is that you’ve got that power of Jesus Christ inside of you, doesn’t mean you won’t die of cancer. Now, I mean, that we have, it’s a fallen world. That’s the other side of the coin. You know, I’ve lost friends in my 30s and 40s, I lost my mom in 1997. I mean, I’ve had nasty things done to me, I’ve done nasty things to people. I mean, it’s a fallen world, man, we also have this thing called free will, you know. But when you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, that means you have Jesus Christ himself inside of you. So when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table, and you just got laid off, it’s not like it’s a get out of jail free card, but it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of Christ to know that we this is just a temporary gig, man, even if you live to the mortal age at 78, the average mortality in the US there, and I’ll give you the exact analogy of a gentleman, this pastor, Francis Chan, who used this analogy, imagine a row that goes all around the world, millions and millions of times just this big row, and millions and millions and millions and millions of feet of this row, at the very beginning of this rope rain is just that red marker. And just like that just right, the very beginning. That’s life on Earth. No, no rest of the rope represents eternity. So that’s why, like I said, I get mad, I fly off the handle, you know, and I get anxious about stuff. But when you rest in the word, you’re never anxious, because you’re resting in Christ Himself. This is all just such a temporary gig, man. It is.

Brandon Handley 11:51
I love it. And I love the idea too, that you, you don’t hide this from anyone. Right? Or at least back it up. Because when when I did, when I was, you know, a big listener of yours. You were, I think just kind of leading into sharing, you know, your Christianity like, full on like super hard, right? Like it was your it was it was the, you know, armor of God ages or whatever like that, right? Like, this is like you were just going full on. You talk about what it meant for you to incorporate that into your podcast. Well, you

Sam Crowley 12:28
know, I’ve always been a Christian was always like, I grew up Catholic. And then in 2005, I would, I would say, that’s what most people would view as the word like being saved. Like you’ve accepted Christ into your heart, you know, and then around, you know, five years ago, or so when I was going through all this stuff with my daughter, I’m like, man, all I have all we had was faith. That’s all we had. We didn’t have anything other than our faith. I’m not, I don’t know what to do with a kid born at one pound with a hole in her heart, several brain bleeds. I don’t even know she can see me. I mean, what do you do with a kid at one time? All you have is faith in God that at that point, at least, that’s all I had. So I started, you know, sharing more of it on social media. And then what’s funny is I just did one town a lot. I sent an email out to my list, and I said, Hey, man, I gotta give praise to God. You know, I don’t know if you guys get this, but I am a Christian. I believe in God, I just like everything I just told you, you know. And I had an email list of 39,000 people at the time, and I said, Hey, if you’re on if you want to stay on my list, man, and you believe this message, you click this link. Well, 38,000 of them did. Okay. So my email is basically going from 39,000 to 1000. But my business increased that year. So I mean, look, I don’t know, but I just, I’m not a preacher, Pastor, teacher,

Unknown Speaker 13:37
you know.

Sam Crowley 13:39
I mean, I think even Tony Robbins would acknowledge that all of the motivation that he says, or Jim Rohn, or Les Brown, it all comes from the Bible. It’s all the parables that Tony talks about, and Jim Rohn if you’ve never listened to him on YouTube, it’s a must listen. They all come from the Bible, Bob Proctor, they’re all biblically based, you know? And so they’re 66 of the best motivational books you’ll ever hear all wrapped into one book called The Bible, and a lot of people butcher it. Like they’ll say, money is the root of all evil. Well, no, the love of money is the root of all evil. Yeah, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay, but that’s because money’s reference. There’s a reason why it’s referenced more than any other phrase in the Bible, because God knew it would become an idol to us, you know. So I’m not a pastor. I’m just really in tune with the Christian message. And if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer, a glass of mirlo, I’m that guy. If you want me to quote scripture, I’m not that guy, because I can barely quote it, but I know who wrote it. And I’m got a pretty good relationship with the guy, I think, you know, but I’m not here to bring anybody to Christ. I’m here. If anybody were to say, Hey, tell me more about it like you did.

Unknown Speaker 14:46
I’m here to tell you more about it.

Sam Crowley 14:47
But I think the worst thing we can do as Christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat and say, repent, repent, you know, your last day No, because people don’t read. I think people resonate with more how you carry yourself, you know, then how you can Quotes scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like, quotes the Bible and throws it back at me, you know?

Brandon Handley 15:06
Now that can be that can be annoying, but it’s funny. It’s funny it’s you bring up, you know Bob Proctor right. And and that line the the idea of people people don’t resist change they resist being changed right from Bob Proctor like that’s that’s one of his lines the you know you brought up you bring it up like you know maybe your job is not to bring people to Christ but we you and I had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to Christ. Even if you don’t feel like that’s your job? What does it mean to bring someone to Christ them?

Sam Crowley 15:41
Well, I think we have a mutual friend Adam, who thanked me because he claimed that I had brought him to Christ and he got baptized, and he let me know about it one day a few years ago saying, Hey, man, I got baptized, you know, you’re the reason I came to Christ and like, Wow, that’s pretty big deal, man. Like, I would give away all my money and all everything. God if some if I were to get that message, you know, because, as Paul says, and all the apostasy I mean, the reason they were persecuted, and all of that is because they want they were preaching the gospel, you know, and we’re sick. We’re the only reason we’re here as Christians is to share the good news. But I gotta tell you, dude, I ain’t going to Kroger in the produce section and sharing the good news with a stranger. I just don’t do that. And I know I’m supposed to do that. But I just can’t, I can’t do that, you know. But to bring somebody to Christ is like, that is monumental. I mean, that is amazing. Because now you know that they have that everything I just talked about earlier, they have that they rest in that piece, and they have that relationship. And it’s a personal relationship to everybody. That’s why I’m not in your face. But it’s personal to people. So, you know, if you are messing up, I’m not here to say, you know, stop watching the porn or stop stealing money or stop gambling or anything like that and say, Man, if you if you want to talk about it, if I can help you at all, I can share some great resources with you, but only when you’re ready, because if you’re not ready, it’s just it has the opposite effect, you know.

Brandon Handley 17:02
Now, I like that a lot, too. I think that’s almost fair to have some of these. I don’t know, put ourselves out there some of these endeavors, right. But also be willing to take that step towards that if that’s something that you think is good for you like, go go explore it and go find out what it’s like. And again, go to somebody like Sam, or others, like, you know, for Christianity or podcasting and marketing, right. For me, I think I think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in what’s inside of me, right, the spirit that’s inside of me, Holy Spirit, I guess, right. I think that I could make that linkage, feeling that and then stuffing, you know, this was another huge. I love that. I still like this is a lie that echoes from Sam’s podcasts from back in the day, because when was the last time you stepped out in faith? Mm hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I’m sure he probably said it several times since since then on the podcast, but you know, you would hear Sam go When was the last time you stepped out? When is the last time you went out? You did something that you you believed in right. And in yourself, right. with purpose and passion does and Sam, if you haven’t listened to Sam’s podcast, this is something that he does very well. I told him I hadn’t listened for a minute. And I picked up podcasts listen a few this morning. It seems like charging, charging, gung ho with everything. And then it was so much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational, you are inspiring. You know, I caught the one where you know, your daughter was being bullied. Yeah. Right. And just just how fired up and how authentic you are. On your podcast, when somebody you know, reaches out to where should they be in life? Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to Sam Crowley to have you coach them or mentor them for podcasting,

Sam Crowley 18:54
they got to be ready to step like you just said it step out. And a lot of people really, they just and I was that way to man, I’m not here again, you got to be ready, you got to you got to be ready to launch your message. And that sounds pretty, like scary. And what do I do? It’s nothing. I mean, it’s just let me help you gain clarity on what your message is, like I said, you could be a carpet cleaner, tree trimming trees, you could be a motivational speaker, whatever it is you want to do, but everything comes to us through the power of a story. And I teach people how to tell their story. So you got to be ready to create your million dollar message, and then learn how to make money with that message. And that’s an organic play. It’s not a push button. I mean, we can all buy Facebook ads, drive traffic to a funnel and then deal with all those numbers. I’m more of an organic guy where I like to build it from podcasting is my main thing, but you could do it on YouTube. You could do it on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, I mean, I’m just I focus on podcasts and because I’ve been doing it 15 years and I like to do simple, better. You know, if you talk about that one phrase right there, do simple better. So keep it simple and do it Better than everybody else. Don’t keep you know, look squirrel, you know, and you go chase in 10 different things. It’s just, I’ve seen that I’ve done it, how do I know what doesn’t work? I’ve done all this stuff I talked about that doesn’t work. The only way I know is because I’ve actually done it myself, you know? And so I’ve chased those squirrels to shiny objects thinking I’m gonna get on a webinar. Oh my god, I’m gonna do real estate liens and tax liens. And I’m gonna go do commercial real estate and I’m gonna go be an MLM. And I’m gonna have lotions, potions and pills in my basement. My I’ve done all that man. And you know what that works. There’s billionaires in the MLM industry, you know, who isn’t passionate about lotions, potions and pills, this guy, me, I wouldn’t be good at it. Because I’m not passionate about it. You know what, I’m passionate about getting on a podcast with you and talking about stuff that’s real. And, you know, when you talking about faith, a faith that’s never been tested can’t be trusted. So if you think that you’re going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out, it ain’t gonna work. Because if you’ve never tested it, how could you possibly trust it? You know,

Brandon Handley 20:59
always so much fun with Sam Crowley always so much fun. Sam, I know we’ve got kind of a short time period today. So I’m not going to try and drag anything out. You got time? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when I’m, when you also talked about being saved in 2005. Right. I’m curious what that look like and felt like for you?

Sam Crowley 21:21
Well, I had been through a bankruptcy. So I was humbled. Thank God when he’s when you’re ready to come to him. He I think he’s gonna humble everybody. At some point in time. I had an ego the size of Montana. Like I said, I was running a $90 million corporate division here in Cincinnati. And I had all these employees problem was I had 20 college credits, most of them gym and health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn’t get my dog to sit, let alone you know, get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john Maxwell. Okay. So I was just terrible, I think at what I did, but I was getting all these accolades and getting promoted, but I didn’t have a passion for it. And it all came crashing down. I left and I thought there’s going to be I bought a quiznos franchise and that what the hell I love went bankrupt, lost 300 grand, borrowed money from my sister lost that I had no money, man, no money, file bankruptcy October 11 2005. It was humbling. I didn’t bankruptcy is like a scarlet letter. I thought you could just not ever recover. It’s done, you’re done. And I lost my job and why I left my job. But then I went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that’s when I would start going to church with my wife. And I’m like, Man, this is crazy. What’s really putting her hand in the air? What we don’t do that at cat like growing up Catholic. You don’t talk in church? You know, what’s that PowerPoint up there? Man? This is good. This is what is this a movie theater production or something? But then it started to work. And that’s what God does. He starts to work on a broken heart, a broken person, you can’t we got this facade up. You got that ego like I you know, you can’t God can’t go to work on you. But he will, he’ll get to you. And he’ll get to you through the crack in your armor. And we all got to crack an armor and heal us and Satan will get to you through the cracks in your armor to. And when Satan gets to you through pornography, through drugs through alcohol through money, he knows the crack in your armor, he will work that crap. God was looking for the light and he’s looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan’s looking to do one thing that’s all he can do is why he’s got to lie. It’s all he does is lie. The one trick that’s the lie to you. So when I was saved, I accepted Christ. I said, Man, I can’t do this anymore. I don’t want the ego. I just don’t want any I just want a relationship with God. Now I know why I’m here. And that’s you know what happened?

Brandon Handley 23:34
as powerful I’d never heard that story from you before. So I appreciate you sharing that. When when you not now you’re not you’re full in right. Do you feel like your business is more fulfilling? Because you’ve got your spirituality? Lead on it?

Sam Crowley 23:50
I think so. Yeah. I mean, look, I don’t have it figured out. I feel like you know, I have I listen to great podcast elevation church, Steven furtick in North Carolina. I love my favorite podcast. I listened to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind where it needs to be. And here’s the thing I do have that I don’t think I used to have is when I feel myself straying off course. God brings me back and look keep the main thing the main thing remember your dad your husband? Yeah, you know, this business isn’t everything cuz? Look, I have ups and downs like everybody does in business and relationships and you know, finances all that stuff and health. But I feel like you know, now at least I’ve got kind of an internal GPS guiding me. I didn’t know that before.

Brandon Handley 24:39
You mentioned like the health part. I know. I remember. One of the big parts too. When we first connected you were doing 100 laps, I think through the pool. Right? And that’s, that’s actually what I mean. I ended up doing it too, which is really funny. I ended up you know, swimming and doing a triathlon and, and getting healthy. You know, how’s that tying into to kind of everything you’re Going to

Sam Crowley 25:00
Well, my wife and I joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and I weighed 210. But I’ve kind of purpose because I drove the car off the cliff with food night before I started going out to a big dinner and my wife and I weighed in at 210. down to 190. It’s only been five weeks. We’re on week six. Now, my wife and I’ve grown very close together through this because we’re doing it together. I did drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. She’s like, I don’t want to do this belly. Come on, let’s do it. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We’ve gone closer we eat together now breakfast, lunch, dinner, because we got to eat the same types of foods and stuff. And I always think that, you know, health is so amazing. I’m 52 years old man. I feel like I’m 25 I’m not really I’m not just saying I really do I feel the aches and pains. And I get up a little bit in the morning that I didn’t when I was younger, but I mean, I’m running three, four times a week I’m lifting three times a week. I feel like I could you know, get in a ring with a gorilla and beat the crap out of them. And I feel like I can outrun Roger Bannister, man, you know all of this at the same time. And I say all that jokingly because I can’t do any of that. But health wise. Right now I feel I’m just getting healthier and stronger and my mind is sharper. And for example, I gave up cream. I never had sugar. I gave up sugar a long time I gave up sugar and pasta A long time ago still eat bread sometimes. Well, now I’m drinking black coffee. I’m not a black coffee guy at all like I can I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought I’d have to have black coffee. Well not you get a little bit of you know, flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodle. Something like that. It doesn’t count against you. It’s all about that intermittent fasting. You know what I mean? Sure. So I’m a black coffee guy. Now I’ll never go back to cream. I haven’t had cream in six weeks. I haven’t had sugar in six weeks outside of fruit. You know, natural sugar.

Unknown Speaker 26:42
Feeling amazing.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That’s what you’d be doing now. Right? That’s what it’s like. I mean, cuz I’ve been a black coffee guy for years. And like, really? Oh, yeah. When I see put people put cream and sugar. I’m like, that’s a Why would you ruin a good coffee?

Sam Crowley 26:56
Dude, you should go to Dunkin because there are people who get 1213 sugars. Okay, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. But I was in line the other day at Dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Yeah, five sugars and on a Carmel swirl coffee which is all sugar itself. She leaves I go Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with it. Five sugar. She was a guy before he had 13 I go 13.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
How to how do you even drink coffee with 13 sugars? stick with what we’re doing to our body? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:26
All that all that inclusive. All that included? So you mentioned you mentioned a couple of podcasts and what are some audibles? I guess that you like to keep your spirituality Mojo going,

Sam Crowley 27:40
like audio books or podcasts or

Brandon Handley 27:42
audio books, podcasts, resources that if you know the people looking for a spiritual bump, or as I like to call it spiritual dope, get their hit. Where would they go? Like what do you like?

Sam Crowley 27:54
Well, I think there’s a few Steven furtick. There’s my number one, like I said, elevation church. I love it. Chris vallotton has some great audio books. The one I listened to recently was called poverty, riches and wealth. It’s v as in Victor al L. Ott, O n Kris vallotton. Chris with a K. K ri s. And that’s a great audio book. It’s a biblically based book about poverty, riches and wealth. And it doesn’t make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy Christian. Alright? Because God, God, God wants us to be prosperous. He just doesn’t want us to idolize money. That’s all. And so look, if there weren’t any wealthy Christians, churches wouldn’t be built hospital England and get funded things like that, you know, we need very, very wealthy people who know how to use that money for God’s kingdom. So those are the types of audible audios that I search for our wealthy, both. I don’t mean wealthy, just money wise, I mean, wealthy, but I’m not going to listen to somebody who says give all your money away. God doesn’t want you to buy That’s crazy. You know, God, we can’t money is just a tool. It doesn’t like the old adage I don’t know who said it, but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper, put an egg on it, you know, money.

But, you know,

it’s just I like wealthy Christians who do good things. I mean, Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life, you know, and that guy, reverse tide is 90% of his money gives away lives on 10%. Now I understand 10% of 10 million or whatever, the guy has a lot of money, but still, he’s given away how many other people could make that much money and give away 90% you know, so those are the types of teachings I like to listen to.

Brandon Handley 29:29
And that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Reminds me of a good a Buddhist Reverend on I talked to him every once in a while. And he talks about being able to give with wisdom, right? Not just not just like, give it all away. But to be able to give and know that it’s going to a place that it’s going to have an impact. It’s like an investment in society. Right. where’s this going to best? best best? best play out? Is it brother I don’t have a whole lot for you today, man. It’s been a minute I wanted to go. Yeah, well wanted to get you on and just, you know, thank you again for being the inspiration that you were, and are, and you continue to be for others and what it looks like to, you know, be a shining light and have a flourishing business. And that’s something I think you’ve exemplified.

Sam Crowley 30:15
Thank you. And it’s great catching up with you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Brandon Handley 30:18
Absolutely. Where do I send people to go find the SAM Crowley?

Sam Crowley 30:23
Dale, I’ve got a brand new video I put out at launch my movement.com and they could check out I will launch and your entire podcast for you.

Brandon Handley 30:32
Well, well, wait a second. What’s that look like?

Sam Crowley 30:36
What’s that look like? All you got to do is literally talk, I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with your podcast. So all you got to do is literally just speak into the microphone that I tell you to buy. Even that

Unknown Speaker 30:48
part is done. Wow. Wow. Okay,

Sam Crowley 30:51
so it’s a done for you podcast is program if you go to launch my movement calm.

Brandon Handley 30:55
That’s awesome, man. No, that’s great. That’s great. And the guys guys and girls. You know, Sam has been doing it for a long time. He is a coach for Tony Robbins. Right. Can I say that? You know, they’re coaches on a podcast. Yeah. So I mean, you know, it’s not like he’s some dude, just like he may be doing I was basement and he is definitely like, is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But uh, you know, you know, reach out to him because he’s legit. He’s been doing it for a long time. And if you’ve got a message that’s on your heart, he can help you get that out there. And the part about like, it had been handheld, like to get through it. And with that kind of plan. That’s awesome. Sam, thanks for putting that out there for people back. Being a good student. Dude. I remember when we I remember when we started working together three years ago. And I know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were when we first started working together. Who’s this guy? What am I getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends, you know,

Sam Crowley 31:54
talk, and we respect each other. And that’s what happens when you get into a concurrent relationship with people on the internet. You know, you can have these long lasting friendships, and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn’t mean you look at them with $1 sign on their forehead, we you know, we’ll be talking for a long time to come. So don’t be afraid to put your message out there. you’ll attract individuals like I attracted Brandon. And here we are three and a half, almost four years later, still in touch with each other. That’s the power of building friendships out of client relationships.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Agree? Yeah.

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guest from your essential nature’s podcast this spiritual worked out ready

Brandon Handley 0:20
hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Emma har and she’s coming to us here from your essential nature podcast. I met Emma through Dr. Ben chambers and the your essential nature podcast. And that podcast is based on the longer yearning that we all have to know ourselves at the deepest level. And in this podcast series, they explore the template to know yourself, experience peace, and grow in mindful awareness and bring more light into the world. Who wouldn’t want to be check in into that? Right. So thanks for joining today. You know, tell us a little bit about what brings you here today.

Emmy Harr 1:06
Oh, my goodness, yes. Well, um, this is a common mistake. So I’ll give you a little past card for this. But my name is actually me. So just like the Emmy Awards, short for Amber. So um, yeah, as far as bringing in, I think we’re just kind of in this expansion phase of getting connected with your right tribe. Okay. And with your essential nature, Ben did an amazing job kind of plucking the the the misfit toys and putting them together. And we just had an amazing chemistry as the the group of four of us. And with that, each person’s kind of doing their own thing, as far as building their spiritual practice and their spiritual businesses, and helping clients that way. And so, yeah, you and I got connected from mutual friends and mutual friends. And it’s just, now’s the time to say yes, and manifestation. So absolutely.

Brandon Handley 2:04
I love that. So I like to start these off with the idea that sources speaking through us, and that there’s somebody out there listening to this podcast today. And a message can only come through you to them through this podcast. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Patience.

Emmy Harr 2:34
Definitely patience, especially when it comes to the surrender process. As your life starts unfolding, it’s happening for you, not to you. And it takes a little bit of patience, probably more patience than anybody wants to admit that they are.

Brandon Handley 2:50
Sure, sure. We are not patient. People, especially, especially in Western society, right. How has that shown up in in your life?

Emmy Harr 3:05
page? Oh, gosh, yeah, definitely more of a recent thing. So I remember when I was little, I always felt like I was different, not like a weird, different, but a really good different. And not an arrogant sense of I’m better than everybody. But just like, I felt like I knew something more than the average person my age did. And lo and behold, that was basically just like utilizing light, right? Like That was my gift is being a beacon instead of darkness really. And so I remember just like going through middle school, especially a little bit of high school, college, even post college, just feeling like I was like, Am I just so abnormal, that I don’t have anybody, like, even my really good friends? That like truly gets me, you know, like, and I remember just like yearning for these deep relationships. And then, ironically, about five years ago, I moved from Wisconsin to Austin, Texas. And that was when my whole life was really just like, flipped upside down. like totally shaken. I remember. As soon as I stepped foot on Austin ground I remember looking straight up to the sky and asking what the hell am I doing here? Because I truly, I know I was guided down there and I knew it was gonna be like a powerful season in my life. But I mean, immediately like, I could just feel my whole aura just shaking, like could not get grounded for the first like year and a half No matter how much yoga, meditation, dance like none of that. And I remember just like crying, just begging for one person, one person that understood my heart and Yeah, then and of course, that can be friendships. I know for a lot of people, it’s romantic partners as well. And we’re always just craving that soul partnership. And yeah, I can tell you like, even with Austin I was that’s when I started basically commission only a business insurance and finances, and I had no concept of what business or sales meant, you know, I came from the infant room with 14 infants prior to. So I was really I was on my own I had one friend that was never there, he moved from Austin with me. And then I didn’t know anybody working 90 hours a week studying learning this whole new realm. You know, it was really a you eat what you kill type of environment, right survival mode on its on its best. And it just felt like I was always just like hacking away, right, like taking the ice pick to a sculpture. And yet the sculpture wasn’t forming. And I was just working so hard. And it nothing was flowing, like not even my energy was. And so fast forward three years, I moved to Kansas City, again, a divine, a divine way on how I knew it was Casey that I was supposed to go to. But it just felt like a huge way it was just like, lifted off my my chest, I could breathe, even though it was freezing. And it just felt like things were coming together. And now I have an amazing tribe of members who like to have depth, in depth conversations, they like to talk about God, we can have civilized conversations, on politics, spirituality, all of this. And within the last probably six to eight months, I’ve just really been at this surrender phase of like, okay, universe, you’re the one leading my life, I’m just swimming through it. I’m totally just at bay here. And I can say that, since that’s happened, it’s just been a lot more peaceful of a life. And I’m still being taken care of, you know, it’s more of a less survival more of an abundance mentality. And so, you know, it’s funny, I think about well, it only took me 28 years to get to that point. But I know people were in their 60s that aren’t even at that point. So when I talk about patience, I mean, patience.

Brandon Handley 7:30
For sure, for sure. Lots in there. Right. So thanks for sharing, kind of that, you know, backstory on I remember, I went to Texas, went to Dallas. And I think that I had a really similar experience where I got down there and I was what what am I doing here? Maybe it’s just Texas. They are, they are a different breed. And that’s okay. Right. And, and, you know, you mentioned, you know, you know, all the yoga all the meditation kind of makes me think of all the king’s men and all that, you know, you know, Humpty Dumpty couldn’t put it back together again. But, uh, you know, but that’s it, right? Like, everything you were doing you still you weren’t kind of coalescing and gathering shape, they’re right, or form the form at least that you were in search of, while you were in Texas, right. And you also talk about this being in survival mode. And, and, you know, kitten, you know, eating what you eat what you kill, right? survival mode aspect, and, you know, that’s, it’s, it’s kind of a, it’s a tough existence, right? There’s a, there’s a Francis ism involved with survival mode, right, there’s a, there’s a closed off sness of being in survival mode. Primarily, because you don’t know that there is another mode available. Right? Like, this is just kind of how you’re taught to, you know, go out there, it’s like, you’re literally being pushed out of the nest. Right? Yeah. Like, you know, you either fly, or you’re or you figure out some other way to make it about a little broken wing. So, you know, definitely, definitely interesting to kind of be going through all that and also looking for some type of connection. You know, when when you’re talking about, you know, killing you know, you know, eating what you kill in that moment. Even that phrase limits the potential of connection, right, if that’s your mentality, right? Um, you know, it’s kind of like, if we think of like law of attraction, like who’s drawn to that, right. And then of Iran because it you know that that also to me indicates like the Yeah, the certain strength of will and desire to live and be so doesn’t you know, there’s also that right. But you probably weren’t really thinking of it in those terms. I could be wrong, right? You may not have been thinking about it in those terms at that time, because it sounds like you’re like, I gotta get the hell out of here. And where is the next year? And the next year for you? Kansas City.

Unknown Speaker 10:26
I mean, you know who, you know who

Brandon Handley 10:29
am Right, right, you’re right. Like if I’ve got even even if I’ve got a map up on the wall and a Dart, the likelihood that is going to hit Kansas City, and that’s going to be, you know, my nama stay place. Right. Oh, God, why and how so? Tell us a little bit about how you ended up there. What was it that drew you to Kansas City? Yeah, that’s

Emmy Harr 10:51
so funny. Um, I had never even heard of Kansas City until a few years ago. And just real quick,

Brandon Handley 10:59
Kansas City’s in Missouri. Not Kansas. No, it’s

Emmy Harr 11:03
both split town. It’s so what the hell no.

Brandon Handley 11:08
This is a strong note to that. It’s like calling turkey burgers like hamburgers, right? Like that’s just to know that’s it. That’s a turkey Patty.

Emmy Harr 11:16
No, there’s Casey, Mo, and Casey. Okay. I learned that the hard way. So my, one of my dear friends from college moved here. I think four, four years ago or something. So I was still in Austin. She moved here. And I remember in Austin, when I was starting to make a little bit of money, I got the flow of business. You know, I was like, cool. The reason I’m making money and want to make money is so that I can go travel and experience the world, right? And so where do you go, you go to Kansas City to visit one of your best friends. So I remember I was I came here during summertime, in 2016, or 2017. And it was so much fun. It was great. And the irony is I remember she took me out for bagels. And we were sitting outside in the sunshine. And I remember being I was just starting to get into real estate investing at the time. And I was like, You know what, Brett? I’m, what if what if I bought a duplex and you live on one side, and I live on the other and we’ll just be best friends forever, right? So, but it was just kind of like just talk, I was like, I’m not moving here like I don’t know. So then fast forward a year, it was October of 2018. And end of September, I just nothing with my business with insurance was working. Everyone was canceling their appointments, I was getting chargebacks, which is where money gets taken out of my account because somebody cancelled their policy. I was nobody wanted to book an appointment. It was just like dead. And I was like, Okay, what is God trying to tell me here? Like, clearly this is a stop, right? And so, my business partner at the time, he was like, Okay, I just kind of throw it out to him. And I was like, You know what, I’m just going to stop until until October because that’s when Medicare starts. And that was like a lot of what I was doing. And he was like, Yeah, cool, but what are you going to do for your soul? And I was like, what, and he was like, I’m gonna, I’m gonna almost force you to go up to Wisconsin and go visit Brittany in Kansas City, whatever you want to do. And I was like, okay, so I flew up to Wisconsin to visit family was there for a few days road trip down to KC to visit Brittany who had just had surgery. And so I just remember arriving in Kansas City. And the first day that I, the first morning, I woke up, it was 40 degrees, which, by the way, I think I was actually born on the sun. So anything less than 80 degrees is freezing to me. So the fact that it was 40 degrees. And I was just like, yes, like seriously, just a weight lifted off. I felt just such immense peace. And to me that Spirit speaking to me, that’s God’s peace, his presence. And I was just like, Okay, and then all of a sudden, all of these business inspirations just kept firing. And I was like, just I felt like I was home. And then, so after this, this visit with Britt, then I went back to Austin. And I was literally depressed, couldn’t get off of the couch, my my friend’s couch at the time, by the way, because for three days straight, and I remember my business partner, he’d have to text me to be like, hey, go for a walk today. Like I was in mobile. It just didn’t feel right. And I was in between spaces because I had a duplex under contract that took five and a half months to close and it was just like, kind of a pain right? Then I don’t remember how but I think my partner and I, we we met up for lunch one day, and I just randomly blurted out, I’m moving to Kansas City. And there was a sturdiness and the tone and the frequency that we both knew. We We’re like, Oh, crap, it’s time. And so I got everything squared away, closed on the property found renters in Austin. I hosted my parents for Christmas. And then they actually helped me pack up, and then move to Kansas City on their way back to Wisconsin, which was so sweet. And yeah, so then the irony Now, remember that story of Brittany and I bagels and the irony is now I own a four Plex. She’s not one of my tenants yet, but one day, I’m sure she will be. No, but yeah, I ended up investing in real estate very quickly when I got down here and and that in and of itself was divine timing. And yeah, so it just I remember like walking in the rain and the snow that first that first season because I moved here December 2019. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Again, rain and snow, not my cup of tea. But it just felt like Oh, I’m so so happy. My heart was just Oh, singing in the rain.

Brandon Handley 15:54
I love it. I love it. It’s kind of like, you know, you get this divine inspiration. And it is imminent in some way, shape or form. You don’t know how it’s going to happen. But you just kind of you have that you have that peek into the future. All right. And you speak it into existence, right? You make a joke about it. Right? You speak existence, though, right? It’s real similar to kind of like how you’re in. Kind of like you’re like, I don’t see any clients. I don’t see any business. I don’t see any of this. And sure enough, that these are the things that you’re saying to yourself. And sure enough, you’re not seeing any of it right. It’s you’re speaking that into existence. And then, you know, you find yourself in a place of harmony. And you know, this kind of good resonance where you’re you’re sitting or Brittany, you’re hit by this sun. And things start opening up again for you because you’ve opened up right, because you’ve sent out like this sense of harmony in that space, where you were where you guys are kind of hanging out eating the bagels. And then when you go back and you’re just kind of morose, right, you’re like, Fuck, Texas. It’s just isn’t it? Right this this, isn’t it? This isn’t my space. This isn’t something is off key. Right. And and, you know, again, you felt like in your heart to like the end, you felt the things weren’t moving at your pace five and a half months to close on a place. I mean, come on. Right. So thanks,

Unknown Speaker 17:29
dad. Good. Can

Emmy Harr 17:30
I just add it took me 35 days to close on a four Plex here. Right? So wait, this is what it’s supposed to be.

Brandon Handley 17:37
Right? Right. So I mean, you know, when when you are in alignment with your sense of purpose and bliss and your own good feeling. This isn’t and you know, people always kind of, you know what I’m talking about following your bliss and just out there was a world we follow your bliss. Look, there’s a certain that you know, there’s a there’s a discernment between like following your bliss and imminent folly. Right. So you were though, you know, you’re following your bliss, your heart intuition. And when you’re doing that, just as you’re highlighting right now, your story indicates that the universe opens up and gets behind you with that right universes like Pikachu, this is this is happening, like you said, for you, not to you. Right. And so that to me, sounds like what your experience has been so far. Have I got that about? Right?

Emmy Harr 18:35
Yeah, absolutely. And I might even add, like for so I’ve always been deemed as sensitive, right? Like, I have an act and not only like not just really not emotionally sensitive but just like an awareness right. And one of my one of my spiritual comrades here in KC we were just talking a month ago, and she even said, because nobody can understand the why, you know, like, I came down to Texas and I again, I was guided down there, I knew it was Texas that I had to go, I could feel the energy of God saying Yes, go with that. And but I knew it was going to be like a learning curve. And so my, my spiritual comrade just made a comment, like, you know, there’s there’s different you know, how there’s like different war zones or different like boot camps or base camps throughout. And it has a different energy when you drive past them, right. And so she said, the same thing with the spirit realm is there’s these different Warzones these different base camps, and maybe just maybe Austin happens to be one of them. And I was connecting into that. And Casey like that we have a lot of like, there’s the International House of Prayer here. Like there’s a lot of a lot of that spiritual and spirituality. Even the religion here, you know, it’s just like more

Unknown Speaker 19:57
God Yeah, so

Emmy Harr 20:01
maybe I was even picking up on that. And that’s why like, which came first the chicken or the egg, you know?

Brandon Handley 20:08
Not for sure. I love that I love that idea to have you know, the the camps, right and different energies and, you know, I’m always reminded of the book the obstacles away. I’m not a big fan of the book, but that’s what it reminds me of right? Have you ever read it, but the idea is, and then and then you know, as you’re talking and you’re sharing that kind of reminded of like, I’m even just holding up a mirror when you’re trying to shine the light, right? Maybe your mirror was down in Austin, and the light was shining over into right like, Kansas City, right? You know, this is here’s, here’s where you catch your, your, your, your ray of sunshine is over there over here type of thing, you know, write a letter, but anyways, right? That’s just kind of the thought processes, as I’m listening to the story. So you’re kind of you’re following your bliss. You’re, you know, feeling your spiritual self, right? Where’s Where did you feel like you kind of connected with your spirituality and felt the strong pull for that. And I love the idea to have like, you know, what are you going to do for your soul? I love that. Right? And Was that something that helped spark that? Or was that already in existence? Because I know, you’d already talked about a lot of yoga and meditation as well, where where did you initially kind of connect with source and decide that that was going to be a part of your life?

Emmy Harr 21:38
Yeah, so I was born and raised Catholic. And so God has always been a part of my life now. I love the traditions and rituals of Catholicism. However, the strictness never really resonated with me, but Jesus guide disciples, saints, just having an army for us. That always resonated with me ever since I was little. So luckily, I had that foundation innately and also fostered. Now when it became more of a relationship with God, instead of just an abnormal what word Am I looking for? Like just an abstract thought, right? I was in college, one of my dear friends, she had actually tricked me. And I talked about this on your essential nature, but she had tricked me on what happened to be a student led, faith based retreat. I didn’t know is faith based. She was just like, yeah, it’s really fun. You get to throw like, pockets of glue at each other. And there’s like a mud fight and all of these things. I’m like, I’m super extroverted by nature. And I’m like, yeah, that’s amazing. And I just transferred colleges. So of course, I was like, wanting to look for, like, get to know people and meet people who like to do fun things. And so when I was there, I read it, like dawned on me, okay, this is, this is about God. And I remember looking at Ashley, and I was like, what she’s like, I’m sorry, I just didn’t think you would come. Like, you’re right. I probably wouldn’t not like out of anti God or anything like that. Just a matter of, okay, like, I already know, God, I don’t need to do anything, you know. But that’s what, that’s what opened my eyes to this concept of having a relationship. So that’s how I in my world, Faith is the relationship of religion is the structure or the dogma. And so I started learning and developing relationship. And then I just had great spiritual mentors. And then eventually, I think it was my, either senior super senior year, I met a mentor that kind of blended this whole new age energy realm, she was very intuitive. I would even call her a medium. But then she also had this Christianity foundation as well. And she did a beautiful job from marrying the two. And that to me felt right and so for her to be like, Oh, yeah, I can see this energy in the room. I’m like, wait, there’s a whole other round, like it was the next level of faith for me. I was like, Okay, so then, yeah, I just kind of started and just kept growing from there. And I just keep listening to what feels true for me, like what resonates it’s a different frequency.

Brandon Handley 24:32
Now for sure. I love that. You know, I love the idea to this army for us, right? So it sounds like even even before you know, even while in Catholicism, you had this army for us mentality, right? The University of benevolent universe, right? This this kind of digital energy source, acting on your behalf right? And that’s great. I love that. Yeah, I’ve never heard it said like that. And I think that that’s, that’s great, right? And I also like this little piece to where, you know, faith is. Faith is what again, I wrote down notes,

Unknown Speaker 25:13
but the relationship

Brandon Handley 25:13
faith is relationship and then your religions call it the framework right of everything else. No, I like that idea too. Because I look at I look at that, too. Without this kind of foundation of any type of religion, or spirituality background, right? It can be a challenge to lean into any type of spirituality, right? If you don’t have kind of the foundation for it, and you start to feel you, like you said, you’re kind of like, an peth, like high energy, connection to source, you can begin to wonder, what is this? What am I feeling? What am I going through, and if you don’t have a, at least a framework, you are, you’re kind of sLl, right? Like, you’re just kind of out there without any anything to bring you back or ground you, right? Or something to at least anchor yourself to

Emmy Harr 26:16
something and I would even, I would even take it one step further. I know from my like, my parents generation, and I might even say that the degeneration just underneath them. Like it’s not spoken about, even if you are extra feely, like I remember, in seventh grade, I actually became I think for at the time, one might have said I was depressed. But I was depressed because I was witnessing How rude. My classmates were being to this one, one particular classmate of mine, and I could almost feel her sadness. And I didn’t know what was going on. And my mom thought I was going crazy. She signed me up for a child psychologist wanting to help me, you know, she’s like, I don’t know if she’s suicidal. I was not. But I mean, that’s how that’s like, how I could process at the time. And so they shut off, you know, at no, at no criticism for themselves, but they were shut off because their parents were shut off, right? Like, that was the Great Depression era. So everyone was in survival mode. And then that’s just kind of what was taught, and then handed down. And so if you’re feeling me, or seeing or hearing these different things that you don’t know, or you don’t have the framework or foundation for, it can be really tricky when you’re not even in a a, like an area where it’s spoken about to normalize it.

Brandon Handley 27:45
Not 100 100%, right? And I love that too. You know, you’re looking, you’re looking back through history, and you know, what’s acceptable in this energetic realm, right? So what you’re kind of explaining is, you didn’t have the ability to protect your energy field, right? Or the, you know, how do you address that again, and your parents addressed it by being like, Oh, she’s okay. I don’t know what the fuck her but let’s go get her some help. Right? Because they did. And that’s awesome, right? Because they realized that they weren’t their limits, you know, as a parent myself, I’m like, Alright, we know if I’m out of all the other options, let’s, who can we reach out to? Right? And what what do we got there? So, um, I love it. And then so your, your your friend, the New Age, energy, you know, connecting the realms of, you know, Christianity into all that even a mediumship? What would you say? You know, she did all that, you know, what have you taken away? And how are you implementing what she taught you? Like, what were a couple of key pieces that you you feel like you pulled away from her that you’re replicating?

Emmy Harr 28:56
That’s a great question. That’s so interesting, because I feel like everything’s just been so fluid. Like, it’s just one extra layer kind of building, building bricks laying on top of each other. So to pinpoint it, I remember being in our office late on Tuesday nights where we were playing with the enneagram. Right? And she was teaching me intuition how to just pick what felt right. You don’t have to analyze but just pick what felt right. Or we would play with other personality. wheels are, I don’t know some more of the psychology side of, of intuition. Really, because psyche means intuition, I believe. And, but then just more I would say trusting a that you can see, like into another realm. I always thought that that was for somebody higher up right and I’m actually like in in development That that trait I didn’t even realize that I had. And then I can put two into get together like, Oh, I do see things without even realizing. So trusting the intuition and trusting what you’re seeing, right, because that’s another form of intuition, I would say is probably the biggest one. And then also healing. So energy healing, she introduced to me Reiki, and that was a whole other like, the healing aspect was massive for my growth.

Brandon Handley 30:31
And let’s talk about that for a second. So what I do want to talk about that but but before we do that, when you say intuition,

Unknown Speaker 30:41
what do you mean?

Emmy Harr 30:46
The internal knowingness

Brandon Handley 30:51
I like that. Yeah, that’s good. You know, listen, because I don’t know. You know, when when somebody says intuition exactly what you mean by that. So the internal knowingness i think that that, that that’s a great, that’s a great way to say it. succinct, even. So thank you. And then energy healing, reiki, right. I talked about that. Once I’ve never experienced it myself. I’ve had the offers right to for people to do it for me. But I’ve never had the experience. So talk to me kind of what that experience has been like for you. And you know, how you felt afterwards?

Emmy Harr 31:30
Yeah, so Reiki is really, it’s divine lead. You know, there’s a lot I’m learning that there’s a lot of misconception on this new age, energy. And the fact that it’s almost like black magic and know everything if it’s done correctly, it should be divine LED, so whether you call it source God, power universe, he she it, you know, it’s always with love and light intention. As always, if you’re going to a real, a real healer, it’s going to be with love and light as the intention anywho. So Reiki is basically just a cleansing of our energy centers, also known as chakras along the body. And we know that everything in life is energy, like even this hard table that I’m sitting at is made up of energy, it’s just matter. And so we have energy around us also known as the aura, and then we have energy zones within us the chakras. So Reiki is really just utilizing someone’s intuition because we are the vessels for God’s like love. And where where things feel out of alignment or imbalanced or whatever the the word you want to use. You just send love and light because really love heals all. And so she was she was showing me Reiki and she would do it on me and I always felt like a peacefulness, a calmness. I felt lighter. People in pictures during college, they were like, are you losing weight, you have a glow to you. I wasn’t losing weight. I was just reading my old baggage that I didn’t need to keep, right. Like, we’re emotional hoarders. I didn’t need to keep that on me anymore. I learned that lesson. And so yeah, it was just it was so inspiring that by the end of college, so my super senior, I did become level one certified and Reiki. So then that led to other realms of energy healing as well. But yeah, it’s it’s a powerful gift. I mean, really, we’re just giving each other

Brandon Handley 33:37
how, yeah, right. That’s great. I love the idea to write emotional hoarders. You really are. It’s like, I mean, and for no reason other than I don’t think that we know any better. Right? You can’t you know, what’s, what’s so what’s the line? I forget who it is do what you do until you know better? Right? You know? And you know, you just you do best until you know better and I think that we are emotional hoarders and I love that I was pissed just a minute ago and I want to share some more about that let’s we’re gonna last week I was saying you know, you just hold on to that forever right? instead just be like, just let that go That was a moment and and what’s next what’s behind that and what’s what are we going forward into? So you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? How like this is just like, that’s your hit every day like you can get like this you can get like this weird you know, full body super high vibration through spirituality, right? That’s the kind of the spiritual dope, right of spiritual dope. So what would you say like some of your spiritual dope is if you’re just getting ahead of it? What is that?

Emmy Harr 34:52
Gosh, even there’s a running joke with your essential nature because every we film every The other week, and every other week when we do meet up, it’s just like we’re hanging out. And like buds are just hanging out at the table. Just invigorating conversation. I can’t even explain it. So my spiritual dope my hit, is the conversation where we get to go in depth. Aside from that, I do get a spiritual dope when I either give and or receive energy healing. Love it.

Brandon Handley 35:29
Agreed, right? The this right here, right? This kind of conversation, we just get the opportunity to share your story. You can exchange, you know, the these high energy ways of being with somebody else. And they get it, right like to like, Oh, yeah, yeah. And not only that, but like, and there’s more. But wait, But wait, there’s more. Right. But wait, there’s more and like, Oh, wow. Or like, why did I didn’t think about it that way? And you know, helping somebody changed, change their paradigm. Right. And I think that that’s what you guys are able to do on your essential nature as well. Right. So how did you get looped into doing? That was a couple other gentlemen. Right, you know, doing the your essential nature podcast? How did you get involved with that?

Emmy Harr 36:19
Yeah, truly, it was kind of one of those surrender moments where I didn’t even ask for it. It just presented itself. And it felt right. So I followed it. So Ben, Dr. Benjamin chambers, he was really the the director, if you will. So he had, he had been getting a lot of these downloads, which for him is from spirit, right? downloads of some type of podcast talking about things that aren’t being talked about, or in a way that they’re not being talked about, or something like that. I see Benji chambers podcast on that. But he he and I always had like a sarcastic sense of humor with one another. So I got looped in with him originally, because he hosts guided meditations on Tuesdays. And so I’ve been going to those for maybe six months at the time. And we we have a great sense of humor. Like we just kind of shoot the shit like, give each other crap. And we just jive really well with humor, humor, humor, IQ, chemistry. Anyways, so he had brought this up, and he was like, well, I really want to get a group together. I’m going to ask these guys, but I really like I think you should be a part of it. And I’m like, okay, like, I never said no, in my brain. I was just like, yeah, it’s fun. I like hanging out with you. I like to get to know other people. And I’d like to take my hint of spirituality. So in my mind, I was like, already on board, but apparently wasn’t conveyed. Because he kept like, kind of pursuing or like, tickling. Like, he would keep bringing it up, like, Oh, you should do this. Like every other week, he would just make a comment as if I wasn’t fully convinced or something. So then finally, I was like, yeah, so when are we like, let’s not talk about it. Let’s be about it. When are we? When are we filming? He’s like, oh, you’re in? Like, yeah. So he kind of orchestrated it. He, he knew the mic. They had met a year ago, Dave they had met prior to and then he just kind of got this sense that it would be the four of us would have a really good chemistry.

Brandon Handley 38:25
And you guys do have you guys do have good chemistry. And that’s funny, too, right? The when we doing this, right? We’ve been talking about this, but like when it’s like just pull the pull the trigger. Right?

Emmy Harr 38:37
That’s kind of our mo like, I’m very much the the Dewar and he’s very much the seer, I guess. I don’t know, see the visitor? I think we’re both visionaries. But yeah, I just I’ve got more of an action base to me, if

Brandon Handley 38:57
you will. Sure. Sure. I mean, look, you just you you uproot yourself ran down to taxation, then like, you’re like, Hey, I’m gonna make this decision. And I think that that’s a big part of it, too. Once you kind of make the decision that sounds like you just move ahead with it. Right. And I look, I made the decision, but let’s, I mean, what’s next, right? Like, I mean, what else we need to talk about? Then let’s just go do it. Right.

Emmy Harr 39:20
That’s so important to me. And that’s kind of where, you know, I do feel like my, sometimes I’ve, okay, oftentimes, I’ve felt like I have to in our worlds kind of always at war in a way I know all this language. It sounds like I’m so intense. I’m really anyways, but um, so I have this like really bold entrepreneur movement maker, right? I was 100% Commission. No, of course I have that fight of me. You know, this is like I can thrive anywhere. But then I also do have this this soft, emotional conversation. Let’s not do timeframe. So that’s more of like the spiritual realm, right? So I consider it the entrepreneur realm, which is more masculine. And then my spiritual side, my spiritual realm, which is typically more and more feminine. And one thing that I’ve noticed as I’m moving it, like stepping out of the entrepreneurial realm, to the, in the traditional sense, and stepping more towards the spiritual realm, is that for some reason, in the spiritual realm, decisions are scary. And for me, I’ve always really been a big proponent of make a decision and commit, figure out the details later. That’s how Apple moves. That’s how Amazon moves, like, just figure it out. But you have to commit.

Brandon Handley 40:42
Sure, sure. So, you know, that’s another part about I love that you brought that up. That’s another big part about spiritual dope, is this idea? Yeah, there’s of the softness, there’s no timeframe, the surrender, you know, side of spirituality, there. You know, if we look into nature, right? We still have rainstorms. We still have, you know, raging rivers, we still have things that are forceful, right? And dynamically, so and it’s okay to take action and be the one to initiate it to be a part of it. Right. And to go with what you feel and say, I’ve gone Austin, I’ve gone to Kansas City, you know, I’m doing these things and, and like you said, I’m committing to this, and I’m just gonna do it. I don’t know how I just know that I am. Right. And that is like, like your like your Shawn attention to it’s it’s something that there’s a fear and trepidation, I think, in making a decision with many people in the spiritual realm. And I think that mainly because if they, and this is my self speaking, right, coming into this space, if you don’t have like, this kind of this hunter mentality, if you don’t have like this business mindset, right? You feel almost like, it’s against your nature in order to say you’re committed to it, right? almost like you’re afraid that if somebody finds out about, you said, you were gonna do this, and it didn’t happen, and how can you believe in you know, all the spirituality then? Right? Because it’s like, they don’t want to be found that well, that’s okay. Right? to like, not have that thing happen. Right? I love the one. There’s plenty of them out, though. And the exact lines but like, you know, I always say, if I gotten exactly what I wanted, like when I wanted it, when I was younger, or any that like I’d probably be dead. Right? So it was probably spirit looking out for me for not getting what I wanted in those situations, right? Like, well, you know, so there’s that, but the idea of drawing a line in the sand, or even a target and a destination for a lot of these people spirituality, it’s like, they feel like it’s too connected to materialism. Right? Where in actuality, a vision is not too far off from having a goal, right? Plenty people can have a vision, My vision is my goal, right? Or all these other things where ambition is more tied, you know, for me, growing up, like ambition was always tied to, you know, material success, whereas ambition can also be tied to this great spiritual vision. Right? So connecting, you know, those two streams of thought has been a big part of spiritual dopler again, connecting with somebody like yourself who’s leading with spirituality, ambition and and this commitment and decision making capability that you’ve got is still being spiritually LED and is blowing the doors and you know, everything like I said in the beginning here is opening up for you because you’re doing it that way and you’re connected with your spirituality.

Emmy Harr 44:02
Yeah, and I might even say two things about that to help kind of bridge that that gap that some people in the spiritual realm like fear is a I always figured you know, God, God can see the entire forest I can maybe see a tree. So like, if he is the one telling me and directing me Hey, you need to go to Austin or Hey, you need to do go to Casey or you need to do this podcast. Why wouldn’t I want to trust that like, he’s got this vantage point he’s an eagle and I’m just a squirrel. You know what I mean? Like hell yeah, I’d rather trust somebody else than myself. And not not to separate the two right like cuz we are all God, we’re all spirit but then also it comes into the fact of manifestation, meaning, well, and this is something that I learned with my spirituality is once my intuition or my inner child or My angels would tell me something, or show me something and I would act on them out of trust. And then they’re more likely because then it’s building their trust. You know what I mean? Like, it just feels like a mutual pendulum, if you will. Okay, so we know that she’s hearing us, she’s receiving the messages, and she makes this she makes option or takes action on them. So yeah, we’re gonna keep feeding her. You know what I mean? says this, this manifestation of when, when you say you’re going to do something and do it, then it’s, it’s convincing your brain or your spiritual army that yes, she deserves more, she gets more, you know. So that’s helped me.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Now, I love that, thanks for sharing that. It’s really funny. There was um, you had another guest on who who really said it really similar, different different storyline, the similar outcome, right? You say you’re going to do it, and you do it. And the universe becomes kind of like this. You know? Emma says that she’s going to do it, right. Emma says that she’s going to emphasize it’s just going to keep keep opening. All right, Yep. Yep, go ahead, open up the path open up the path just because otherwise, like, right, it’s like, you know, why would I open up the door? If you say you’re not gonna do it? Right? Why would I? Why would I clear the path if, hey, I’m gonna be there at five and you show you don’t show up? Right? Well, I’m not gonna keep open up the path for you. Right? So. So real, real similar stuff there. Um, favorite like is did you have any outside of like, of course, I Bible on scripture, any books, movies, anything that just kind of blew your mind on spirituality?

Emmy Harr 46:44
Gosh, so many. I remember there’s this one movie called Joshua, when I was little. It’s an older movie, I think it was probably in the 90s. But that was just like, again, learning to trust in something bigger than ourselves. And then as far as spirituality, there’s like books on chakras, like aura cleansing. So that really helped me. And then I would say, probably my most recent, which was just very profound. Because of timing in my life, I just finished reading the surrender experiment by Michael singer. And not so that that was just so crazy, because I was actually part of a virtual book club club, who with a corporate couple of older women who wanted to read that book, months ago. And I was like, Hey, I’m not in like, I’m already reading free books. Right now. I’m not in the capacity to read it. But can I at least still join for the conversations, right? So don’t we’ve talked maybe once or twice about the book, because it was such a quick read for them. And it was just fun. It was like a spiritual dope, it was a hit. But we never really registered what what they were reading, like what the content of the book was, because it just didn’t feel like the right timing for me. then fast forward about a month and a half or two, I think about two months. And I just got this inkling you need the surrender experiment. And fourth of July, I was with my buddy, Jeremy Snowden. And we were just doing some inner work spiritually. And I had the revelation of a retreat center, a vision of a retreat center. And I was like, no way. Like, that’s, it was so not me that I was like, This is divine. And so that it was for. So it’s just after that vision that I got this inkling that I need to read the surrender experiment. So Ben actually bought us a couple copies. And we started reading it and or just before the day before I started reading it, I mentioned to one of my co workers. And he was like, oh, that’ll be great. It talks about him in building a retreat center from scratch. And I was like, You’re lying. I was like, No, this is super big. And man, I could not put that book down. I’m a slow reader, especially when it comes to work, like this type of inner work. Sure. But I finished that book in like two or three days, and I just I could not put it down. I was like, as is so crazy.

Brandon Handley 49:19
Yeah, that’s it’s a great one too. I definitely enjoy it. You know, it just begins in that, you know, with the, you know, the whole idea of how limited are you and I write with with what we think we what we think we know with our limited, whatever experiences versus what the universe what Source Energy knows is capable of. And if we go with the idea of having a benevolent universe, if we go with the idea of having an army that’s helping to make things happen for us, what happens if we let go the reins a little Bit what happens if we just say, you know, show me what you got? Right? And just kind of take it? And that’s the Oh, yeah, agreed. I mean that that blew my mind when he kind of described that to me in that book, right. Trying to experiment. The chakras and or, or cleansing books. Would you have like one or two that are top of mind that you share out with others?

Emmy Harr 50:24
Yeah. Do you mind if I go grab it? Because the author here? Okay.

Unknown Speaker 50:30
The more

Emmy Harr 50:32
like, it’s actually an inner like, almost might I say self Reiki in a way, but it’s, it’s called your aura. And your chakra is the owner manual by Carla McLaren. Okay, and so it should it. It kind of goes through or walks through the process of what each aura represents how to what do you want to visualize how to clean it, how to cleanse your aura, your chakras, and then grounding yourself. It kind of goes through techniques with that. So I love that as I was getting started. Nice,

Brandon Handley 51:03
nice. Perfect. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Where should Where should I send people to kind of come check out what you’re up to?

Emmy Harr 51:14
Yeah, definitely. So your essential nature is on both Facebook and YouTube for platforms. It’s probably going to expand but for right now we’ll just stick with Facebook and YouTube.

Brandon Handley 51:26
Fantastic. And before you hop off, is there anything else that you feel like you should share today with with spiritual Oh

Unknown Speaker 51:34
gosh, do

Emmy Harr 51:35
we have an extra three hours?

Brandon Handley 51:38
Sure podcast for

Unknown Speaker 51:40
surely. Surely.

Brandon Handley 51:42
Yeah. So guys, if you want to check out more Have a look. So your says me up here and Emma in the emails? Which is it again?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
know, what emails are you looking at?

Brandon Handley 51:55
I don’t know. I saw Ms. I saw ms somewhere. So I just want to make sure it’s me. Right. I was like, Listen, so it’s me. Me. Yeah, you guys want to go find so this is probably the third time it’s happened to me on spiritual dope. It’s like cuz, you know, and, and I was gonna ask this one. Anyways, so if you guys want to go find out more, what he’s up to the podcast that she’s talking about is so much fun, your essential nature. You know, the three, four of you guys all get on there, you have a good time you talk about some really cool topics you have what’s cool is it’s not, you know, just diverse in you know, racial or, you know, male and female dynamics, but also the age dynamic too. So, you know, there’s just a lot I think that has gone on really great with what you guys have created. So thank you for what you have created, and what you’re sharing out there with your group. appreciate what you’re doing.

Emmy Harr 52:56
And likewise, thank you for having me.

Unknown Speaker 52:58
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