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Christian de la Huerta

Award-winning author Christian de la Huerta is an acclaimed speaker at various settings, including universities, conferences, corporate training, spiritual communities and the TedX stage. Audiences find Christian’s message particularly relevant in these times. Christian also practices as a spiritual coach and a leadership development consultant whose work ranges from individuals and couples in private practice to major corporations and non-profit groups.

Check out his latest book here: Awakening the Soul of Power

And connect with him on his website here: https://www.soulfulpower.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:41
Either spiritual dope I’m on today with Christian de la Huerta we are on here today and Christian is a sought after spiritual teacher, personal transformation coach and leading voice in the breathwork community. He’s traveled the world offering inspiring and transformational retreats combining psychological and spiritual teachings with life lasting and life changing effects. In award winning critically acclaimed author he has spoken at numerous universities and conferences on the TEDx stage. his new book awakening in the solar power was described by multi Grammy Award winner glorious Stefan as a balm for the soul of it for anyone searching for the truth and answers to life difficult questions. First of all, thanks for being on today.

Christian de la Huerta 1:24
Hey, Brandon, thanks so much for having me. I’m really looking forward to this conversation.

Brandon Handley 1:30
Fantastic. So I’d like to start this off with the whole idea that and I think you mentioned it in one of your lines, like we are conduits for the universe, universe’s energy to come through. And the idea is that you and I are going to have this conversation that you and I have, but there’s going to be somebody listening, that’s only going to pick up on like this message being delivered through the universe through you to them today. What is that was that message?

Christian de la Huerta 1:58
Well, before I get into that, I just wanted to say that I really appreciate your sense of spiritual irreverence, I very much appreciate it, and it cracked me up some of your comments on your website, you know, I think if we were gonna wrap up the message into to the into one, short description is like, there is a way that we can step into our power into our personal power in a way that is a match for who we are. Because most of us, I think are conflicted about that we have an ambivalent relationship to power, we want it, but we’re afraid of it. And I think at the core, we’re afraid that if we really stepped into all of our power, all of our potential that other people would be threatened by us or be afraid of us. Or, you know, we would end up alone. And we’ve also been conditioned to believe that power is a bad thing, you know, like with quotes, like power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. And so what good hearted person wants to be corrupted or wants to abuse power, which is what we see out in the world all the time. So add to that mix. And by the way, what they forgot to tell us about that power, corrupts quote is that Lord Acton was speaking specifically about political power, not the personal power that we’re talking about. But when you combine all of that with the fact that we have been conditioned to be afraid of the emotion, somebody along the way, had this bright, brilliant idea that the emotions were weakness, and especially for us as men, we were conditioned, you know, a little boys don’t cry, and you know, like, Man up and, and all these other kind of twisted definitions of what it means to be a man and what it means what it means to be a woman. So when you put all that into a mix, we hate confrontation, we hate conflict. And what happens is we end up giving our power away our innate power that nobody can give to us, nobody can take away, we are the only ones who can give it away. And what’s sad, what is sadness to me is that we give it away for really lame reasons, like we give it away and we settle for less, we place more, we hide our light under a bushel, we say yes, when inside we feel no. And for this, for reasons like an illusion of security, or false sense of acceptance, or morsels of pseudo love. And and so that’s the message you know that there is there is a way that we can step into power that that is a match for who we are and that it doesn’t require for us to push anybody down, to step on them, to abuse them, to take advantage of them to manipulate them to use force or fear that there is a way that we can express our power. That isn’t a natural expression of who we are.

Brandon Handley 4:49
So I think that it’s funny actually copied that Marianne Williamson line out again last night while I was reading your book, you know, the it’s not that we’re afraid of You know how small views we’re afraid of how great our power actually is. And I think that that’s kind of you’re talking to one here, and then that we give it away so easily have like these kind of wrong reasons. What, you know, what was it for you along your journey that awakens your personal solar power that, you know, we’re talking about, you know, your book as well? What was it that that, that awoken that woke up your soul, you know, and gave you kind of pretty notice to it?

Christian de la Huerta 5:34
Well, I think my, my initial wake up point was breathwork, some 30 years ago. And I’d had some experiences with, you know, with mind expanding substances that also kind of, you know, had a phase of experimentation when I was writing written when I was in college. And that began a process of questioning reality, the worldview, I was raised in a very Catholic environment. So that began that combined with a class and existentialism began a process of questioning. I think it was, when I, when I did first did breathwork. It just changed everything. I was on a track to get a PhD in psychology. My dad was a psychiatrist. So I come out of that tradition. When I did breathwork, for the first time I jumped tracks, I never went for the PhD. And I’ve been, I knew after one session that I that I’d never be the same, and I wasn’t my, my life took a different direction I, within six months, I quit my last corporate job.

Brandon Handley 6:44
That’s awesome. I think that breathwork for me, has been very revelatory as well.

Unknown Speaker 6:54
I had my

Brandon Handley 6:56
several instances of brain expansive substances. That’s, I think that’s how you title it. And but the deal is, is that and that’s a real big, the name of the podcast, spiritual hope you can get to that space in a place of this this hit of spirituality by doing like something like breathwork. Right. So what did you do then? I mean, so you’re like, I’m out on the corporate gig. And what did you have done after that? I’m just curious. Yeah.

Christian de la Huerta 7:26
Well, you know, if I ended up doing an ashram experience with a teacher that I met with who, you know, from whom I learned breathwork, originally, so I studied with her for five years. And for the most part, monastics setting, had a few deviations from that, but could really count them on one hand in five years, which, by the way, was a really empowering experience for me to begin to reel in my mice, my sexual energies on the way that I related to two other people with you with that sexual energy. And yeah, that was incredibly difficult time of my life, it was, it was very demanding. Not only the lifestyle, but the, you know, the opportunities for letting go of my preferences in my my desires, and, like, I wouldn’t want to do it again. But I’m really grateful that I did, because I wouldn’t be who I am. If it wasn’t for that experience.

Brandon Handley 8:33
I get it. You know, letting go and spend a lot of space but what would you say though, was like the the most difficult part, right? Because you’re kind of in there, and you’re doing it on your own? you’re wanting this right. What what made that?

Christian de la Huerta 8:49
I guess, very good, very good interview questions. Brandon. You know, if you would have asked me before, I would have thought it would have been the celibacy celibacy thing.

Brandon Handley 9:00
That wasn’t right,

Christian de la Huerta 9:02
wasn’t even close to the, to the hardest thing. In fact, that wasn’t such existential kind of level of survival. Because this teacher was brilliant, and she was a ruthless ego Slayer. So I think what was most difficult was being in in because we were at the same time going through some challenging times out of out on the physical world. And it’s a longer story that we don’t have time to get into here, but like it was to maximize it. At one point, we were homeless. We lived in the car for four for a week, and in San Francisco, and we would take showers and the YMCA in the morning for four bucks. And at the same time that she was going through some profoundly transformational experience, which didn’t make her very functional in this room. Um, so, you know, put all that, you know, the fact that she was my ego was being incredibly threatened that I was in survival level, like so much of my identity, up until this time had been connected to my worldly success. And suddenly here I am, you know, like barely living in a car for a week. And, and feeling so responsible for everything and at the same time, like surrendering and in the teacher in the guru, the guru disciple model, you’re surrendering to the sacred, but through this person of, of the guru that’s right in front of you. Who was at times irrational? And so that’s the part that I was so that I didn’t know that, to me was most difficult. That was because you’re basically surrendering your desires, your preferences, like even your perceptions?

Brandon Handley 10:55
Yeah. It’s a whole psychological play, right? I mean, here you are working with, right? And then you’re, you’re you’re working with this, this guru, and to attain, you know, a certain level, a certain experience, I don’t know. But then they’re a mess. And you’re like, what the hell am I doing? I mean, that’s got to be, that’s where my head would be. And then also, you’ve got your cycle, your psychology background, right. So you’re, you’re like, doubling down, because you know, where the razor cuts?

Christian de la Huerta 11:26
Yeah, and I mean, I’m, with all the respect of not putting her down, like, like, I really value she, I got incredible teachings from her. And the opportunity for for surrender was mine, like that was, I did that nobody could do that for me. And that’s some, that’s the most profound experience that I got from that, in addition to learning trust. at a cellular level, it was like I my relationship with with life became incredibly trusting. Because no matter how bad things got, like, we’re down to just like, the storage unit is in Hawaii and San Francisco and Los Angeles. And like, there was nothing else to pawn and money would show up unexpectedly from from just an unexpected source just at the right time. We never missed a meal. Like, yeah, it was rough. It was very rough. But we never missed a meal. So that I got to learn that at a cellular level. It’s not something that I could read in a book, to know that I’m going to be fine. But I’m going to be taking care of

Brandon Handley 12:28
the idea of Providence. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. I love it. I love it. So in your, in your book, you know, covers quite quite quite a bit. And one of the things that you cover in there that I think, is really important, especially in today’s day and age, and the spiritual guy to write as a spirit as a spiritual guy, but like, what, what was a healthy masculine power look like? actually kind of identify what power is like in your what is power? And then what’s the healthy masculine power? Yeah, no,

Christian de la Huerta 13:04
that’s that’s a great question. You’re asking some really good questions, some of which nobody has asked me before. I’ve done dozens and dozens of interviews or podcasts. Nobody has asked me this stuff yet. This one? Yeah. But you’re asking really good ones. So yeah, so in order to reconcile the way that we reconcile this this ambivalent, or, or conflicted relationship we have with power, one of the ways around that is to realize that we’re talking about different kinds, right. So there’s the what there’s a worldly power, or egoic, power, ego power, which we tend to associate, you know, the way the way the world looks at power, we tend to associate with people who have money, who have fame, who are high up in some kind of hierarchy, whether it’s a corporate ladder, or some kind of religious organization, or whatever it is. But the thing about all those kinds of expressions of power is that they’re because they’re outside of us. They’re here today, they’re gone tomorrow. Whereas the other kind of power that I’m pointing to, is internal. It’s, you know, I’m calling it soulful power. It’s spiritual power. I call it what you wish, right? It doesn’t matter what we call it, but it’s the it’s the power that is inherent to each one of us. And again, like no one can give it to us, no one can can take it away. And whereas worldly power is always has an agenda, and it’s very self serving, it’s always trying to get something for itself. The other kind of power, spiritual power, what to me is authentic power. It’s humble. It’s, it’s, it doesn’t need to prove anything to anybody, and it’s about service is about making a difference. So I think about a Gandhi or Gandalf, in their monastic robes and their stupid sandals, as you would say. And then the other sandal feet, you would never know you know, like you would never know how much power they hold until it’s called for and then you know what’s out like brought the British Empire to its knees at the point when it was at its highest, highest point in terms of global reach and global influence without landing a single punch or shooting a gun, like talk about power. And so that’s, that’s what I mean by soulful powers. That’s the kind of power that that from within that it’s, like, the worldly power believes that the it comes from a place that that that it’s a zero sum game, right so that there’s a limited amount you’re having power threatens mine. Whereas, whereas What I’m saying is like, wait a minute, if I’m in my power, if I know who I am, like, why would I be threatened by you having powers like I’m not threatened by that? It’s like, I know, no matter what you or anybody else does, I know that I’ve got it, I can handle it. I can show up and respond appropriately to whatever that situation is. So why would I be threatened by anybody having power, I can celebrate somebody else’s power. And so now power with rather than power over, which has been the traditional, patriarchal, masculine, like toxic masculine way of expressing power, which our relationship to which you know, reflects in our relationship to the planet and our relationship to life, which is basically you fuck it or you kill it?

Brandon Handley 16:22
Right? I mean, that was a game they cut. Right? Right was it was a fucking kill it keep it whatever is true. You know, then that’s, that’s the I think the historic chase right? There kill it. So what is what is the healthy masculine power look like then? Yeah, and real quick question. Are we in your sub question is, are we on pace to like, get there in our lifetime?

Christian de la Huerta 16:51
Yeah, that’s a good question that that I don’t have an answer to I see a lot of changes, though. I see a lot of a lot of men who are just not No, not threatened, you know, a lot. And you know, a lot of straight guys who tell each other, you know, I love you and kiss each other on the cheek, and there’s, they’re not threatened. By that it like it doesn’t mean anything, to once masculinity. So so there’s a book, you know, it’s for everybody. But it has a particular message for women, stemming from my belief that the empowerment of women is like, the single most important thing that needs to happen in the world. It’s not to idealize women is not to put women up on a pedestal is not to give women more shit that they got to clean up and do. It’s because as a planet as a species, we’ve been running very off balance when it comes to power and gender, and sacred masculine and feminine energies. So and I believe that when women are in 50%, of power in this world, because I don’t believe that we need to go back to matriarchy, I don’t think that’s what we need, I think we need balance inside each one of us and in the world, between the masculine and the feminine. And so that when women are 50% of power in the world, we’re gonna have a very different relationship to war and poverty and hunger, and social justice and wealth distribution and how we treat the environment to all of it. So that’s what when I think strategically, like what is the one thing that’s gonna then impact a lot of others. That’s what I come down on. so and so. So that’s one message of the book. But what about men? Because the, the tragic part of it is, is that this system of toxic masculinity, that that that we have been living out of for the last several 1000 years that has this twisted definition of what it means to be a man. It’s like, it doesn’t work for anybody, like, of course, it hasn’t worked for women, and the lack of equity and justice and equality. And the oppression of women is like that is still so prevalent in this world is like, like no longer acceptable or sustainable. And men are also paying a price for that. So let’s look at a couple of numbers. Like if you look at longevity in the US, women outlive men by five years, if you look at the global numbers, they outlive men by seven years, we get suicide numbers in this country women, I mean, men commit suicide four times as frequently as women. 70% of the suicides in this country are committed by middle aged white men, which, interestingly, are the ones who still hold the majority of the power in this world. So what’s up with that, you know, what is not working? And I think that part of what is not working, is that it’s this twisted definition of what it means to be a man and so we walk around because it’s like we were saying earlier, somebody decided that the emotions were weakness and little boys don’t cry. So we walk around, so threatened about not being masculine that we turn into these unfeeling, uncaring robots and there’s a price to pay for that. Like what used to be spiritual teaching that everything is energy. Now we know from quantum physics that it’s true, energy cannot be destroyed. So what does that mean that that the body is energy even though it feels solid, the emotions are energy, that’s all they are, they’re not good, they’re not bad. They’re not strength, they’re not weakness, they’re just energies coursing through our bodies. And so whenever we suppress those emotions, they don’t go away. Right, they stay in the tissues of our bodies, and only a couple things can happen. If so, we suppress, we suppress, we suppress. And then the next unfortunate being just says something towards the wrong way, um, volcanic eruption, right, all that repressed anger, like just comes out in appropriately and we cause harm to our relationships or suppress, suppress, suppress, suppress, that energy has to come out one way or the other. So it starts seeping out and showing up in physical symptoms, heart attacks, cancer officers. So so we’ve got, we’ve got to get this right, we’ve got to figure this out, and get right with our emotions. And yes, as far as I’m concerned, to be able to know what we’re feeling, and be able to define it, and be able to communicate it responsibly owning that, it’s our emotions, not dumping them on each other, like we tend to do, like holding it’s our emotions, and learning how to communicate them courageously, because it’s always gonna take courage and compassionately without pointing the finger and without blaming, and without, you know, like, only our experience, and our heart of it is to me, and, and gracefully in a way that the other person can actually hear them. All that is like nothing less than mastery. It’s the opposite of weakness.

Brandon Handley 21:41
Right? That fairpoint? Absolutely, I’d never, I think I’ve never made it to the other end of the bridge there. It’s into making that mastery. But you know, I am very familiar with not being familiar with my own emotions, right? And going and doing the research mean, like, oh, wow, I really don’t know what these are. What are some tools that you’d like to use to help males get in touch then with, you know, their emotions? And to point to how do you express them gracefully, because my history has been, oh, I found these emotions, but like, there is no grace to how I express that.

Christian de la Huerta 22:22
Right? That’s a great question. I’ll tell you what I did. And because I was clueless myself, and here’s the thing, my dad, a psychiatrist, and a good one, because I’ve heard from people after, you know, after he passed, so I used to go to him. And he really helped me. So I know it was a good psychiatrist, but in relationship to his own emotions, the guy was clueless, clueless. And so I grew up clueless, I couldn’t tell you what I was feeling because I had no idea what I was feeling. So when I started doing this kind of work, like, you know, that becoming self aware, and I realized that this was an area that I needed to do. So this is before cellphones, you know, I had a timer from Radio Shack, and I would set it on the hour, and I had I printed I found a list of emotions, and educated myself about what they meant. So I created this grid, you know, like, every day of the week, and by the hour, and the emotions on the other side. And so I at the hour go off, and I go, am I feeling this? Am I feeling that? Am I feeling this? Maybe that could be? And little by little, I did that for several weeks until I started becoming more emotionally intelligent. And in terms of how to communicate them. It’s another big question. But the main thing is to realize that it’s our emotions, like nobody out there can make us feel anything. Unless there’s some room in there that’s being hurt, right? So it’s our emotions like, like say, let’s just a quick example so that you and I both have lunch with our friend Joe, every week, like and he Joe inevitably shows up late 20 minutes. There I am on on Monday, just like I knew it. He’s so selfish. So so irresponsible, so only cares about his own schedule, blah, blah, blah, and all the other stories that we make up about stuff like this. Whereas you you know, it’s like great, Joe’s late. I have 20 minutes. Let me go online. Let me return a phone call. Let me just do what there’s so many options, so many possible responses to somebody showing up late. Why does it get me so pissed off? Right, so, so it’s so that’s what I mean by owning that it’s our emotions, and it doesn’t make Joe’s lateness or anything goes right. But it’s not about that. It’s not excusing anybody’s behavior. Like that’s not the point of the conversation. If we want to be free. We start from that place that it’s our emotions. And and it’s, that’s what his book is, is you know, it’s part of a series on what it means to live heroically because it’s work like to be able to, to be willing to go inside and to feel the stuff that sometimes we spent a lifetime running away from feeling and to to look at patterns to understand And why we do the things we do, why we sometimes get to sabotage ourselves and sabotage our relationships. Sometimes from the get go by attracting people who are not a match people who are not available, like it’s work to figure all this stuff out. But it’s incredibly rewarding and liberating, because we can bring choice back into the equation. So to go back to your question, how to so owning, how do we how do we communicate and communicate emotions responsibly owning other hours, and then using, you know, like basic communication stuff like using I statements? So rather than saying you did this, or you always do that, like the other ego that doesn’t even know that it’s an ego yet that doesn’t understand what the ego construct is? And why would that makes us do the things we do. And that gets us so defensive, and takes everything personally, and feel so victimized by others and by life. So it doesn’t even know what it is, the only thing you can do is defend, right? And especially when we use words like you always do this, or you never do that. It’s like it. Like they might be looking you in the eye, but they’re not even they’re not even there. They’re going back in their mind, they’re going back in time back in time back in time to that one time in 2009. Well, they didn’t do that. And so then they get to be right and say, well, that’s not always true. I don’t always do that. So so using I statements, and again, here’s a really good formula when you do this, I feel my so when when when you show up late, I feel disrespected. I feel dishonored. And and and i don’t i don’t like this feeling. I love our relationship, our love our friendship. And can we do this a different way? Yeah, that’s what I like to have a conversation with Joe about.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Yeah, Joe, you gotta stop showing up late man. Worrying about it. But for truly, for God’s sake, come on to the idea to is that a good This gives that gives me an opportunity, if you’re owning your emotions, to go in and just look at that. Right? What is triggering me to get pissed off of Joe? Right? Why? Why am I starting with Joe? Just because he’s late. Right? I got a whole bunch of other things like we spend in this energy on and posted Joe, right. I’ll never, I’m never gonna get this 20 minutes back. And while I want to blame Joe, it’s not just fault. And then the other piece that you’re talking about? The I know, when you do this, I feel that.

Unknown Speaker 27:31
You know,

Brandon Handley 27:34
I recently read like a validation book, right? Because I’m not a great validator. Christian, just just so we all know, but I’ll be getting better. Your feelings are always valid, right? So you can never that’s never a false statement. That’s really saying so and that’s and that’s what allows that person to not be defensive when you make those. I feel safe. That’s right. Okay. All right. Thanks for sharing that. That’s definitely definitely Yeah,

Christian de la Huerta 28:02
it’s, it’s worthwhile work is if we do the work, if we take, you know, whatever time it takes to figure it out, it’s like, we, when we zoom out, zoom out a little bit. It’s like, wait a minute, it’s not just when Joe is late, that I get pissed off is when anybody shows up late. So what is that? Right? It’s not so it’s not really about Joe. And if I zoom out a little further, it’s not even just about being late. It’s when somebody you know, cuts me off in conversation or cuts me off in traffic, it’s it kind of evokes the same kind of feeling that same kind of frustration or anger is what is that? So if we are willing to do that work and go back in time back in time, and to begin to see when How did this pattern start, which most of the time is gonna go back to something from childhood probably in relationship to it with mommy or daddy. And, and what’s at the core of it is like, we don’t feel valued, right, like, the core underneath the anger. It’s like, we don’t feel respected. We don’t feel valued. We don’t feel like he’s like he’s valuing his time more than he’s valuing mine. And that’s the unhealed wound that’s getting triggered in this present situation, but the one is much older than my lunches with Joe.

Brandon Handley 29:12
Yeah. It’s like, peeling off a scab. That never quite healed. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, disgusting. Alright, so Kristen, got a couple questions for you real quick here. I kind of liken this show to like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Like, I understand Come on, and it’s the spiritual speed dating. And like, you know, what’s, what’s Christian got for me? So I’m gonna say, hey, Bachelor number one out of a couple different questions. If that’s your number one, what is your one wish for the world?

Christian de la Huerta 29:53
You know, and and i’m not i’m not a good one for speed dating. If we really got who we are, which which is connected to understanding that, that we’re not the ego. And really quickly, if we put up, here’s a great way of understanding that you go, if you put a baseball in the center of a stadium, that’s the ego, who we are is actually the fricking stadium. And we allow this tiny, tiny, tiny part of who we are to think that it is all of who we are. And to make really important, critical, consequential choices from its very small, limited and always fear based perspective. So if we got who we really are, that would shift everything, it would shift the relationship to ourselves, it would shift our relationship to each other, it would shift our relationship to the planet.

Brandon Handley 30:43
I love that visual too. And, you know, I guess that brings up the question, too, is like, we make that content, how do we make that conscious shift to, you know, connect to our power? How do we meet that constant shift to realize that we don’t have anything left to be afraid of, unless we’re hanging out in the desert reliance?

Christian de la Huerta 31:03
That’s right. And, you know, that’s like that’s by this book. Seriously, the book will walk you by the hand, and it’ll it’ll, it’ll help you understand the egos like, incomplete humility, I don’t know. Like, to me, this is the simplest way that that I’ve seen of explaining what the ego is. So that we can really get it so that we can get what it what the self made prison of the ego is, so that we can let ourselves out because nobody else is gonna let us out of our self made prisons, they can’t, only we can do that. And only we can step into our own power. Nobody can do that for us. But we’ve got it takes work. But we’ve got to get clear about why we do the things we do and in which situations, do we give our power away? Or, you know, is it does it tend to be with in romantic, intimate sexual relationships? Or do we tend to give our power away with authority figures, bosses, coaches, nose, religious leaders, that kind of thing, parental figures. And so once we are willing to do the work and look at the patterns, then we can, like cut it out, and stop giving our power away and, and stepping into our full potential as human beings? Because Ain’t nobody else gonna do it? If we don’t? Right,

Brandon Handley 32:16
right? I think that one of the couple of things I enjoyed about your book, too, since you brought up liking these questions, you’ve got these questions just like this to help you to identify the patterns. At the end of each chapter, you give out the layout. You say, all right, well, you know, here’s the information. But here’s how you can apply it right? Go ahead here, use some of these questions, detect the patterns. And then you know, to point, you get to know where is it you are giving your power away? And stop. Right? And again, that becomes a source. Right? Yeah. And, and at least at that point in time, you recognize that you’re, you know, in this position of your own power, and you get to at least determined to do it consciously. Right, exactly. In the end, that’s what freedom is.

Christian de la Huerta 33:07
Yeah, that’s it, you just nailed it. Because you know, there were times where it may not be in our highest highest interest. Like, we may not be our in our highest interest to like really step into our power in relationship to our boss, until we have something else lined up. Or if we’re being you know, somebody is holding a gun or a knife up in a dark alley. It may not be the that may not be the best time to say oh, well, this really doesn’t work for me. Right? You just hand over the frickin wallet and walk away with your life. So yeah, of course, of course. We’re gonna be smart about this. So I think you’re right. I think it’s about choice, bringing choice back into the equation.

Brandon Handley 33:44
Kristen, thanks so much for thanks for finding me. And, you know, offering to come on the show. I’ve enjoyed the conversation. I’ve enjoyed the book that I’ve read, you know, the bulk of it so far.

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tracy lamourie

Tracy Lamourie,a high profile international award winning publicist, is he Founder and Managing Director of Lamourie Media Inc. a Universal Women’s Network 2020 Woman of Inspiration Winner for the Women In Media award and the author of the upcoming book GET REPPED – Build Your Brand With Effective Public and Media Relations. She is a well known long time advocate on a myriad of important worldwide issues and an award-winning international publicist working across industries from major entertainment projects to small businesses. Tracy is passionate about amplifying important messages and being a voice for those who most need one. Recognized by media around the world for her 20-year campaign tht ultimately helped free an innocent man from death row to her work getting clients major media attention and for her local community work, she is the winner of the FIRST PLACE PLATINUM award Hamilton Spectator ReadersChoice for PR 2018, Diamond 2019.A frequent guest on TV, radio and high profile podcasts around the world on topics of leadership, empowerment, and entrepreneurship as well as all aspects of media and public relations.

Connect with Tracy: http://www.lamouriemedia.com/

Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? And why do people in general appear so limited to this thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask. But you the answers to questions about you this world, the people in it? And most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t claim to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another hit of spiritual dub with your host Brandon Handley. Let’s get right to today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:40
Hey there spiritual dope I’m on today with a special guests are all special, aren’t they? Tracy Laurie is a high profile international award winning publicist and is the Founder and Managing Director of lemare Media Incorporated, a universal Women’s Network 2020 woman of inspiration winner for the women in Media Award and author of the upcoming book, get wrapped. Those are brands with effective public and media relations. She is a well known longtime advocate on a myriad of important worldwide issues and an award winning international publicists working across industries, from major entertainment projects to small businesses, there is more you’re gonna have, you’re gonna have to go figure it out for yourself and check into that. Tracy, super excited to have you here. easily start these off with I know, we talked a little bit about, you know, kind of your spiritual journey, how you feel about woowoo. But we’re just gonna throw this one out there anyways, for you, um, you know, kind of believe in the idea that, you know, source speaks through us at all times. Right. And while you and I are gonna have this conversation, there’s a message coming through you today that somebody is going to hear on this podcast that can only be delivered through you. What is that message today?

Tracy Lamourie 1:53
Oh, I hope it’s I hope at the end of the day, it’s in line or not even lightning, just positive one. And I think that not that toxic positivity stuff, but the kind of positivity, where you walk away from it. You know, actually, yeah, I feel better. You know, I feel pretty good and pretty pumped now that I heard that they can do that. So, which is a lot that’s spirituality too, because if we’re not, you know, vibing on the right, you know what I mean? If we’re not on the right, what do you even, you know, we take ourselves to different, like, if you’re not on the radar, since I came into the world, but you know, that synchronicity or that, like, if we’re vibing, low, we’re gonna like it slow for vibing Hi, good things happen. So I feel like you’re positive, you’re open. So you want your you know, you want to be

Brandon Handley 2:40
positive? Yeah, absolutely. You know, you want to have that. You want to be on the right frequency. But thank you, for so so it was funny that Tracy, I was looking, I was looking at some of your profile, some of the people that you worked with, and some of the events that you’ve been in. While this is a spiritual dope podcast, I see. You’ve done some cannabis business ones as well. Right. So

Tracy Lamourie 3:07
for me, I mean, I was a Medical Cannabis Patient, but there are people who, you know, like that right? and stuff. So

Brandon Handley 3:13
yeah, yeah, look, I mean, it’s like, it’s all part of it. Right? You know, you can’t convince me otherwise. And you know, just because just because somebody says, Yeah, it doesn’t mean whatever. Anywho. So I think, you know, one of the things that we’re going to talk about today is actually the genesis of how this podcast got started, which was, I’ve met up with a woman named Regina Lawrence, who had a pretty great spiritual, spiritual marketing business. That’s right. And I think, I think the idea here is, you know, you’ve got some tools, and you’ve worked with some clients in the past, who have elevated their own spirituality, brand and blend and taking themselves out of this corner of like, you know, being like, why me or I shouldn’t be the one. Let’s talk about how, you know, somebody can leverage some PR to share their spiritual message, and quite possibly even make money a business out of it, heaven forbid, right? So let’s talk about what that looks like. Or you know, just talk about maybe what you specialize and then we can get into

Tracy Lamourie 4:19
it all once. So basically, my business started because I was getting it wasn’t to look for a company that would make me the most money or to you know, all the great things that happened to me as a result of this amazing PR company that started none of that was in my mind’s eye was literally helping another person. And then the skills that I built over the years helping that person who ended up with an innocent man who was on death row was was released 20 years later, so factually innocent, but that’s but my part of that story is the skills that I developed in terms well I mean, that was just volunteers that just out of passion and wanting to help this person who you know, like honestly, I’m so grateful that we that he’s out because he taught us to have him on your on your podcast one day took them spiritual message, but um, Yeah, so basically, you know, we don’t we can be, you know, I think it’s a actually, it just struck me that I wanted to say this, because you know, we talk about spirituality, you talk about being chosen for something, or they feel called to something. And that’s not the kind of language I normally use. But that’s not in my vernacular, right. But when I look back on a 20 year campaign that I literally started as a 28 year old with zero money, no skills in this stuff. No, you know, it’s like, it was fun, though, not because we were dumb enough or cared enough to be dumb enough to think we could make a difference. Who knows. But it’s like that was assigned to us. That crazy thing that you couldn’t even imagine, you know, we didn’t think of it in those terms then. But you know, when you look back on it, what how did we how and why did we get it was it became a lifetime thing, like we’re 51 for 2120 years, we do that campaign. And since then, it’s been five years since Jimmy’s been released, we still, you know, friends, we’re now the republicans. He’s a singer. And now we have a veto. We do that sounds good. But I mean, really, I think something like you call or you, you may feel like a spark and then even say, who calls you or whatever, but you’re in a position. You are, you know, you are like there’s a spark there that you can set off and that you can do something, but most people don’t, because we don’t have the confidence in ourselves, or we don’t feel like, oh, why would it be me that would I can’t do that. I can’t. And that reminds me of the reasons it struck me even those Bible stories, you know, where all of a sudden God but like, and I’m not saying I’m by God, but all of us, every human being for whatever thing, right? You know, those stories, like God would say, do this, and then they’d be like, but me I’m not capable of that. I can’t ever do that. I’m not the one pick someone more powerful. I’m not even a big Bible reader. But that’s like a theme. There’s a couple things you got in the Bible, right? where people were like, God specifically told them to do this. And they were like, well, it’s not me pick someone else. So I think we all just say pick someone else, whether whether we believe it’s a God doing that, whether we believe it’s an idea whether we believe whatever it is, we often think that we’re not good enough, like pick someone else. To do those big things. Someone else should be doing any I’ll follow and do a little bit. But I think to me, my spiritual message that I’ve learned in my life is like you are called on to do less things. Everyone of us, not just me, Tracy, or you, Brandon, but all of us. And if we don’t, we’re leaving part of our responsibility behind you know, so when you do those good things, good things happen. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 7:21
So I mean, right. So you’re speaking, just speaking the right language. Right. Yeah. And in terms of, you know, definitely following that spark, right. There’s that spark that you? A lot of people will call that, if you’re a fan of Joseph Campbell, and I’m not sure if you are the hero’s journey for our myth, right? So it’s the idea that that’s the hero’s call, right? That spark that that you kind of heard, right, that you felt it’s kind of like the hero’s call, and you can you can reply to it. Right? You can say, you know, not me, not today, but it’s not really ever gonna go away. But it sounds like what happened was, you kind of had the hero’s call, and you just answered it, you’re like, Yeah, why not? Right. And the thing that happens is really is what you’re saying is that, you know, once you, you hit on something to like, what you say you’re dumb enough to believe that, you know, we can make a difference? Well, all you got to do is start taking that action. And the thing is, is like, exactly that first step. Yeah. You could, you could, since you’ve never done it before, you didn’t know a wrong way to do it, really. So you just went ahead. And

Tracy Lamourie 8:32
I think that’s, I think that’s how I I think that’s my whole career right there. Not just that activism. But really, that’s so funny, because like, after all that I thought it at 40 went, Oh, gee, you know, wait a minute, I don’t have to do a million sales calls. Now for something I don’t care about. How many says 15 years of like, really effective work that I could. And when I finally thought, gee, I could be it’s gonna call the public. That’s, you know, I could like, wait a minute. But yeah, that’s exactly the kind of thing I didn’t I never met a publicist. Until recently, I didn’t read any publicist books. I didn’t go to any public school, or I just learned how public public image so if I was trying to build a public image, like, you know, meaning not like build an image, but like, show that celebrate show you what you do, what would I do I do this I do. So I just made it all up to the point where an LA client of my hood fire like, previous la publicists tire me literally said, you know, you don’t do more than like other publicists. And now that now I’m like, I didn’t even know cuz I didn’t know what the perimeters were. I just knew well, well, you know, so it’s exactly what you say, you just got to make sure. Like, it’s a good thing. It’s a good thing after all.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Yeah, I mean, I think it’s great, right? That one of the one of the big things in you know, social media space today, and I think for the past year or so, it’s been like this. You got to be your authentic self, right. You know, be your authentic self, this and how to be authentic. And sounds like you just went ahead and you were authentic. Anyways, you know, details be damned, and you’re like, well, this is kind of how we’re doing it. And we’re doing it in a way that it sounds To me, like, it resonated with the person that you already were right? It’s not like you were doing something you didn’t like to do. Because if I’m reading a lot of your testimonials, it’s like they love I mean, you can hear the energy that you bring here, right on the podcast, I love the energy that you bring, you’re enthused to do the work and you just kind of enjoy what it is that you get the opportunity to do. What would you say? Like when I think about what a marketer does, when I think about what a coach does, and when I think about like, kind of sales, I always think about that, you’re really just trying to bring out the best of what your client has to offer. How would you How would you? You know, what would you say PR is?

Tracy Lamourie 10:45
I hit on this in the podcast, because somebody said, you know, they was talking about how they like, I really like you. And I always thought that publicist is more like, you know, like, Hi, you know, they thought that publicist is just what we think of as PR. But the bad, the politician is nasty, and you need somebody in there to make it look like that. You know, a person instead of a sow’s ear, or whatever it is, right. But no, so it’s not spin, I could do spin. I mean, I’m good at words, but I don’t like and that’s not what I do. Like, I like to do it, because I take on people that I like what they’re doing. They’re ethical people doing good things, whether it’s a creative, or whether it’s a small business person, or you know, whatever. It’s the person that’s doing it that I connect with, that’s a human that hires me that I trust, and I like, right. And then yeah, so I say it’s about PR isn’t about spin, at least the way I do it, what I do is what else this just hit me in a podcast, like it was from God. And, and then I’ve been quoting it ever since elevating, and celebrating, literally elevate and celebrate. So what they’re already doing awesome things, but about hiding it or or, or reshaping it, or boxing them into what they should look like. because like you said, Authenticity, and genuine is huge. To me, it’s what I do in my business. It’s what I preach. It’s what I advise, when I see people trying to win, people don’t really understand what that means that the lack of self confidence are trying to be phony, but they’re trying to be what they think people would expect to see someone in that position would be like, at the other day, I had a potential client he was like, and actually his story is a spiritual one, which I didn’t even know to the beginning. Because he approached me for a business, you know, he’s like that this thing, business idea, whatever, blah, blah. And he’s like, no, yeah, I can help you with that. No problem. As we’re talking, he really connected with me and be like, you know what I wanted to ask you, I feel like because I have this other thing I want to do. I’m writing this book, which was about, I don’t know, his whole spirit. He mentioned that was spiritual to what he used. And so but he didn’t really break down yet what the details were, but that he was like, but you know, I don’t want to confuse you. I want to hire you as a process. And I want to have this new public image. But I don’t want to confuse people. Because here I am the entrepreneur with this message helping entrepreneurs. And then I had this book, and I was the guy. And I was thinking about it. Like in the terms of the way he phrased it for me. And I said, Hold on a minute, wait a minute, stop being not genuine. And he’s like, What do you mean? Because he wasn’t? I was thinking about what you’re saying. You’re like, how should I present myself here? What would be the correct? And then what would be good? When you get that you’re saying there’s two completely different things, but they’re not, they’re both you, they’re you. And it doesn’t mean that you’re going to be talking about the spiritual side when you’re in a hard business audience or that you’re going to be talking about the opposite. But I mean, they’re both legitimately you made of you and your experiences. Now, it doesn’t mean when you stand on stage, you may be talking about one, you may be talking about the other, you may not at all mentioned the other, or you might it doesn’t matter there, it’s not separate. They’re not two different things. It’s one it’s you, you talking about different things in different forums. So, but he thought that that was like, going to confuse the public. And why does that confuse because you want to create nothing you want to be you think you have to create this public image? And I don’t want to confuse that public image. No, no, that’s Tracy right there. And that’s Tracy there. And it’s true. Your trade. You know, it’s the same Tracy whether I’m talking about like you brought up the cannabis, if I talked about my cannabis advocacy from 10 years ago as a medical patient, I hope Yeah, that’s what I did. I did that too, you know, and the definitely thing like, I could go on to podcast how the hard business podcast I talked about, and when people say to me, books, they all do. Tell me about how you got started in PR. I couldn’t say oh, well, you know, I learned to write a press release and advocacy work. And then I decided to make it a business. And that’s true. There’s no lie there. But you know, what, if I don’t tell their story about Jimmy, it’s not because I want people to think you know, I’m awesome. And I started to charity. But if I don’t tell that story, you get a whole different picture of who Tracy is. Now I’m just an international award winning publicist. That’s not even who I want to be if you don’t understand that there’s a deep social active component out to me, you know that because I didn’t get famous to be famous publicist, you know, I didn’t like this.

Brandon Handley 14:27
Right. And so that’s also another piece of of, I think, a lot of people’s journey, right? Like they see maybe they see Tracy as as international award winning publicist, and they want to do the things that you did to get there, but you did it with a different intent, right, what was internal what the internal drive was to get you to where you are today, was really, you know, if you want to play whoo for a minute is really what gave provision to you to create this business. So that you could do this, this deed, right so that you can run this 20 year campaign, right?

Tracy Lamourie 15:05
No, that was after he was out by the truckload. I guess we started the business while he was still in. But yeah, it was close to the end. But yeah, that’s, it’s, it’s just everything you say you made me think of like other things. I’m thinking about things in a different way, in this podcast that normally, you know, because of the whole tournament, but yeah, it’s true.

Brandon Handley 15:21
So I mean, and again, right, like if we do like any it’s just you put out like this such a high vibration of love giving kindness and and like you said, was this idea of leaving the world a better place? And you know, kind of when you when you found it, so why wouldn’t it work out for you? Right? Like, why wouldn’t it work out for you, if that’s your if that’s what is driving you now, then I bring that up, because there’s a lot of people that want to go be publicists just to make money just to get rich and XYZ. And while there’s nothing wrong with that, they’re not gonna find like the same ease of way that you’re doing it like you’re talking about this guy, right? You talking about this potential client, he’s got, he’s got this business image. And he’s got this guy who he really is just has a fever to be, right. And he goes, Well, I don’t want to I don’t want to confuse people. But why should those two be separate? Right? Because he’s gonna have, he’s already having a challenge with creating this image of who he wants people to see. And he’s got this longing to be the person that he is.

Tracy Lamourie 16:16
Yeah, this put it all together. It’s the same person, you know, like, it’s, but also one thing, too, when you said that thing, the really nice ones that you just said about, you know, doing this kindness, and why shouldn’t the good things happen? It’s funny, because I’m not like, I’m not a really religious person, you can tell when I want to even say to this, like talking about God, I even get uncomfortable, you know, because it’s not really like, but it’s, but it’s like God saying to me, it snapped out of it. Because like, everything had shown me all the time. Really, it’s like, seriously, you’re not? How do you not believe this is from another? Like, there’s no, you know, it’s really hard to maintain that. Especially when my husband said to me, he was definitely a believer. And he said to me, I’m like, What did he say? He says, you know, he’s going to probably, oh, all these crazy good things that have thrown me like, How is this even happening? How are we like, how am I even in the position where I’m talking to this person? Or could it be the publicist for this? Or like, how I literally, I was working in a call center 20 years ago, where I’ll be like, how did this you know, and my husband is like, because you know, not only the Jimmy Dennis thing, but as we got involved with a dot, they’ve opened their eyes with the whole death penalty, we won’t go into too much. But like, we for a while that we were like, really serious advocates of the death penalty in general, from guilty people, innocent people, just the whole system in general was like, really disturbing to us early 20s. And so through our work that we did, speaking to people, not the way we do is the only person that we were like, really had a campaign for an innocence campaign. But we spoke about the death penalty was but what other issues whenever, and there were people, even guilty people, people who were executed people who were like, because I don’t know whether they did wrong, whatever, but you know, when they’re alone in that moment between them and God, you know, before they’re gonna get killed, or 20 1020 years after whatever they did, and they’re alone in the cell, wondering, whatever they did to get whatever people go through in their mind when, I don’t know, I’ve never been in that situation. But I believe that more a lot of people are not necessarily the person that we think they are, when they’re going through those years of introspection alone with themselves in their garden, their darkness, you know, and my husband said to me, do you know cuz I know cuz he wrote to us and said it. There was a guy that was destitute in 2000. I have no idea if it was guilty or not named Stacy Lawton. But after he was executed in Texas, he sent me a letter and I still got it. Someone the ended, said, believe in Jesus. He’s believed in God, he’s glad or something, and a little heart. And whenever I say always remember that when I think of, you know, my husband said, Do you know how many people prayed for us? Because they did. They would always say, I’m praying for you, like death row prisoners, you know, who are getting the lowest of the low, nobody cares. But that’s between them and God, we don’t know. Right? But people like that are praying hard. And what if there really is a God that listens to the the heartfelt prayers like that? Wouldn’t those be the ones that listen to some Thank you know, for? I got nothing on me. But the desperate person is, according to the Bible, which I don’t know, I’m not a Christian. But according to the Bible, the whole thing is like, you know, forgive whenever there’s nothing that God can’t forgive. And you whenever and whenever, and not as it’s a play thing, like where people sit, claim that, but imagine if people truly, if the Bible as it exists, as they say it exists, if all that is true, and those people truly believed that, and they truly with their hearts, do what the Bible says, which when they fall on the ground, sorry for their sins, pray to God or whatever they do, right, whatever the Bible says, people do that. I haven’t I haven’t had that. But what if they did that? And one of their prayer was, you know, Dave and Tracy because thank them for Dave and Tracy for the things that they’ve been doing for me because nobody else was. There was a lot of people that were helping when nobody else was gonna go to maybe all this good stuff is just like, when people say God bless you, maybe he did.

Unknown Speaker 19:38
I don’t know. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 19:39
yeah. Yeah. 100% Whoo. Well, not not weird at all right? And I mean, that’s, again, I think nude. That’s, that’s kind of the journey though, right? Because it’s weird, but then you start thinking about it. You’re like, well, I could actually see this working here. So I guess I guess Oh, right. Albert Einstein has the line of either everything’s a miracle or nothing is a miracle. Right. So which one do you want to choose? That’s a good one. I’ve never heard that one. Yeah, that’s good. You talked about you talked about, you know, it’s got to be heartfelt, right? Like these heartfelt prayers. And that’s, that’s, that is that is key, right? Having a true emotion and coming from a place of sincerity. Right? And, and, you know, so that that does certainly play into sending out like those, those, those high vibrations, they’re sending over to Tracy, right? They’re like, hey, Tracy, you know, nobody else is hearing me or listening to me. And, you know, let’s just pretend there is a God, but we are, where I come from I I use source right sources easier for me to to get out of my mouth.

Tracy Lamourie 20:47
Yeah, like, that’s actually I might start quoting you on that, because that makes me more comfortable to actually, because God is so full of like, all these preconceptions of what do people think? And what do you believe? What does it mean to you? And yeah, I know, that’s why I don’t I’m always like, looking uncomfortable. even go there. Like, you know, it’s, I’m gonna quote you source anyway.

Brandon Handley 21:09
Call. I’m still there with you on the same bit. Right. But so then, like, you know, it, it comes to and, you know, it’s working through you. So sources working through us for their prayers, right, that’s how I would see it in this scenario. Right. And, and, you know, so So again, you know, there you go, like, you are blessed, and you are, you know, kind of doing your doing God’s work.

Tracy Lamourie 21:35
And why he would pick the crazy red haired girl, I don’t know. But he picks on if there is a God, he picks all of us, we just don’t always hear the call, right?

Brandon Handley 21:45
More people hear the call than not. And I think that you talked about it several times, on, at least one of the podcasts I listened to was like, you know, why would somebody pick me? It’s like, if, if, if not you then who type of thing? Right? So let’s talk a little bit about that. Let’s say that, you know, I am a client, I call up and we’re talking and, and I’m like, and I’m like, Alright, well, I’ve got this idea. But I don’t know that this is big enough to put out there. I don’t know, you know, crazy, why should I? Why should I take my business and try and go public with it? What What do you start telling people and talk them through?

Tracy Lamourie 22:19
So if someone says, Yeah, what if there was, there’s no reason not to do in business now there’s no way they’re like, it’s like saying, I don’t want to, I don’t wanna have a customer. You know, it’s the same thing, because it literally is. So originally, when I started up, what I was thinking it was doing for the businesses was I was thinking, obviously, but the customer, you know, attracting some of the same things ads do but more powerfully, because the third party credibility and all that because you can’t, you can buy an ad, but you can’t buy an interview with a credible source, right? So so. So partly, you build up your obviously obvious is like attract customers, the third party credibility when you it’s good for your SEO, when you put it on your website, it’s all you know, it looks sharp and nice. And it differentiates you from your competitor and all that. So all that is the obvious to me, but maybe not to everybody cuz you’re thinking marketing that PR, but then also one client told me after literally six weeks of working together, I said isn’t a lot of podcast, because it literally went this way. She said, you’ve you’ve changed my business in my life. And I get a lot of accolades, as you mentioned my testimonials, but that was like, you know, in six weeks, you changed my business. And I said, What do you mean, and she said, You made investors take us more seriously, I hadn’t thought of that, cuz I’m not a finance girl. They were she was in the pre seed funding stage, going for seed funding. And so there you go, if you’re, let’s say, you’re in a startup, everybody has a beautiful deck saying nice things about themselves with pretty images, anybody can get a graphic designer, but they want to get off the deck. And I go and Google to see who these people are sure, I’m gonna see your pay history and where you worked and all that. But if I then see, like what I did for my client, six articles, two of them talking about how your power woman in the industry to others in the industry talking about this innovative idea that I then you know, you went and got and won an award for innovation, because we’re always looking for those kind of things to in your industry. And now you’re in that we get caught. So now, two weeks later, you know, you’re internationally quoted, right? Because you’ve recorded here and there you so all this stuff, elevate you, it gets you the noise with so much noise these days. Right, that how do you differentiate, especially with all the socials all the way ever? So you have to be thinking about that if you’re just sitting there. You know, if you’re a card, if you’re like a car dealer guy or doing your own, and you only worry about that, like, it doesn’t matter what your job is, if you’re only doing your job, there’s somebody in your industry, who is doing that job plus talking about it and developing a thought leadership for themselves. Thought Leadership, that phrase, you know, and why does that matter? Again, it’s it doesn’t just matter if you’re building a brand if you have a book to sell, it literally is about you know, these days, we all know people search you on the internet if we’re gonna hire you for a job if they’re gonna say you want to you know, build up your public credibility in what you do, like show people, how have the confidence to show people what you do, basically, it’s a new it’s a it’s a and people say, Well, why should I be like What would they want to eat? Why would they want to interview me, I’m just, I’m just, and I hear that all the time, people don’t realize the people that that you see in your industry, or whether getting awards or be interviewed, they’re just the people that you just know, they just the people that had a better publicist, or that knew how to reach out to media, or that told the media what they’re doing, because media will not find you. They don’t like if they’re doing a story on doctors, they don’t sit there and look far and wide for the best doctor in the world. And they, they look in their Rolodex to see who’s reached out to them, and who do they have as a contact, and maybe they might reach out to somebody. But generally, when they do that it’s through PR service and say, do you have a client who, instead of actually calling them, you know, these days, so or if you’re reaching out, if you built you don’t need the publicist, if you’re doing this on your own, if you’re developing your thought leadership, you’ve got some articles you’ve got. So you really need to, like think beyond just what you do these days, if you you know, in order to, to make it more successful. And that could it’s not arrogant, because it’s a matter of, it’s not like, hey, I want to be in the media, it’s a matter of use, it’s a tool that you can use to build whatever you’re doing, if it’s a message. It’s maybe not even a business could be a book or could be just a message. I have a lot of people who just want to share something and inspiring story that happened to them or, you know, public speaker, they want to be a speaker, you know,

Brandon Handley 26:13
right? Well, I think I think, from what I’m hearing, you say it sounds a little bit like it comes down to like self belief, right? And believing that you’re worth it to put yourself out there you believe in what you have to share. What is I’m not sure this is a stat or something that you would think of offhand. But in terms of social media reach, what does adding a PR agent do to boosts your reach beyond social media?

Tracy Lamourie 26:43
So yeah, we’re talking about real media, media. And obviously, using the real media, you put that on social media, and it expands and people get excited about it, and all your network will share it. Like for example, I had one client hired me literally, this doesn’t always happen. But the next day had got her an interview for exactly what she needed, what you want to be talking about, in Good Housekeeping magazine, which is one of the, you know, 150 year old American print magazine, the one one of the few magazines on every checkout counter. So it’s huge. And so yeah, so she was literally she has no media, she’s just starting out her business as a life coach. And on paper, she had nothing differentiate herself from all the other life coaches. She’s awesome. But what’s different on paper, what’s different on a website, so she wanted to share a story, she decided to start sharing her personal story, which in her case, is about living successfully with bipolar. And so then literally the next day there is publicist, she didn’t How would she share that makeup, she can make a medium page start, you know, but me I can go right away to my policy and started looking through all the things all the media sources, what media is going to be interviewing, who, what they went, and I found Good Housekeeping reporter looking into the women between 25 and 40, who were willing to share their story about bipolar luck of the draw literally the next day that after she hired me, and I pitched her that almost missed the deadline. But I was like, I research the reporter, because you don’t just want to be blind and said, Hey, I think you were really like this story. This is a woman who started to share with me and said all the things that I knew that will connect with our border, because the vibe, right. And she picked my client, my client who’d never been in any media before I did an awesome job because she knows her stuff. And sure enough, she was the next issue of good housekeeping in print. And now literally, she’s been with me, she’s just a single working person, she doesn’t miss a month with me, I give her really cheap deals. And you know, she doesn’t miss a month because she’s got that that does her business, every single anything she wants to speak on now, anything to do with mental health mindset, whatever. We’re just like, cleanser, Alvarez as seen in good housekeeping. I’m not my mental illness, and it’s like, put her on the she literally has been on everything she can feel speaking, she’s been in the book, that’s literally because she paid a publicist, you know, half $1,000, I gave her a good deal that I started reaching out. So we just have access to like, number one opportunities that aren’t easy to find, right. And then also, just, if you spend one month with a publicist, I always say even if it’s only a month, after the end of the month, and you take your money and go home, you’ll have that pitch, you’ll have a different understanding that you didn’t have before because most entrepreneurs, and all of us we understand ads, we had to sell advertising, but how do we get how do you break that editorial barrier? And it’s not just them? Yeah, you first you got to reach out to them, you got to get the credit information. But then also you have to understand what you’re giving them, they do not want to add, you can burn a bridge as easy as you can build one, and your media pool is limited. So you don’t want to start sending them crap that’ll make them not open your next email. You know, so for people listening, who have spiritual businesses or whatever, your business is the same as anybody else like and in fact, there’s a lot of media opportunities for people to speak on the spiritual side, whether it’s Christian stuff, whether it’s woowoo, whether it’s about psychic, whether it’s about all those things, there’s, you know, there’s a ton of media, obviously, the publications gives you that there’s there’s media and podcasts geared to that. But also there’s you know, mainstream media opportunities if you’re watching, like a publicist does, you know for the with you in mind, I think could speak to that. That’s what my client would answer.

Brandon Handley 29:57
Oprah you get I want to get also What is it? So? So? So that’s great, it’s great. Right? So I mean, I think I think what I’m hearing you say really is that if you’ve got a message, and you know, this isn’t exclusive to spirituality, but again, you know, people listening to this podcast are going to be in the spiritual space. And if you, you got, if you want to get beyond, if you want to kind of have some kind of explosive growth and get beyond like, you know, keeping up with your Insta posts, and keeping up with your tweets and all this other stuff and have something that kind of shows you that you believe in yourself a little bit more, right. And I think that that’s really what it indicates is, you know, a small investment in yourself that shows you that you believe in in yourself, and what you’re doing to start doing what you say you love to do.

Tracy Lamourie 30:53
Yeah, exactly. I mean, you are an expert. And like I said, something, you know, if your, whatever your business is, or your book, or whatever you’re an expert in, or you wouldn’t be doing it, you know, so that, you know, you said the self belief. And if you’re having trouble thinking like jumping to the media component, just think it’s what I say to people, you know, why are you not on TV, you know, you’re awesome at whatever you’re doing wired on TV, the why you’re not being interviewed while you’re doing a media weekend. And they’re like, why would they interview me? And then you know, and say, well, you’re an expert. They’re like, Well, yeah, but okay, start with a Yeah, but you wouldn’t be if you’re in business, or you wrote a book, whatever. But if you’re in business, you wouldn’t be taking people’s money to do something if you didn’t think you were an expert. Right? Right. Exactly. And then of course, there are, no, of course not. Exactly. So take that same confidence that you build a business on YouTube, even starting your business, the confidence that you had to say, you know what, I can do that people pay me for that, because I do that better than other people. I do that, you know, and realize I have knowledge, and it doesn’t matter if you I always say if you’re I don’t say this because he’s a lower Java, people think these are normal jobs that don’t. But you know, whether you work in a hotel, whether you the lawn guy, whether you have knowledge we don’t have there are things that you do that we don’t know, there’s media for you to talk about that specifically. Plus you have knowledge about stuff you don’t even realize, you know, about, you know, around that, that you don’t that that, you know, there are like media opportunities for this the most basic things you like, open up an SEO guy, you can’t get me interviewed, an SEO guy hired me. And I almost thought that for a minute. But then I thought, No, I looked into the space before I took his money. I was like, No, no, no, I can. And do you know that I got that client, more media than any other client, the SEO guy. Because there’s, there are lots of things where you can be quoted just a matter of you got to have a publicist, or someone showing them you.

Brandon Handley 32:33
So well, this has been awesome. I think it’s very eye opening for anybody who, again, in the spirituality space, uncertain. And I think that this plays right into like, my little. I like to think of this as kind of like, spirituality speed dating, that we’re doing here, right, like so, you know, got a bunch of spiritual listeners out there. And, you know, if they wanted to date you, Tracy, in the spirituality, space and spirituality realm, there’s a question that I would ask you, what is it that prevents people from living to their full potential?

Tracy Lamourie 33:10
I would say comes that believing in themselves, it really comes down to that. It really does. Everything does because I always say life’s a pitch, right? That’s a P, not a, b. But you know, before that, you can’t you can’t pitch Yes, it is true to think about it, whether it’s getting a job or apply for an apartment, or whatever it is, you’ve got to convince somebody, you know, strangers that you know, you’re okay, right. So or the story or, or a job application. So yeah, so, you know, that’s what it’s all about, and your life is a pitch and you’ve got to believe in your own pitch. You’ve got to believe in yourself. And, you know, honestly, people, people say, oh, believe in yourself. I think people are going yeah, but what does that even mean? How, but honestly, just that people don’t even know who they are from them. So they don’t have to, they’re too nervous to walk it when they walk into a room like that’s when the cooler I am I people don’t actually know who they are. You are, you know, are they think they have to be someone else because they’re thinking they have to present as that. Like I said, to give a call here. I don’t want to confuse people. But really just have the confidence and feel like realize that when you go into that room, and you feel nervous to step into that room and use a bit scared, realize that literally 99% of the other people like I like that, too. I’m super out there and exuberant, whatever. But I had moments after I had my baby when I was 18 years ago, and I’ve been stuck home all the time for a while. And I didn’t even realize I went out and all of a sudden those two I don’t think anyone else noticed. But I’ve talked and I have something in my mind. I’m like, I felt like I was stumbling over my words. I don’t think I was but I felt all of a sudden had this discomfort around people, which which is not me. Certainly not now, but for a while. And then I when I got out of that as late after that I was doing TV for like, social justice stuff. Because that it’s not me. It’s about that. And then I realized so I became known for that. So when I walk in the room, people are looking at me, like, oh, there’s a celebrity in that world, you know, ready to talk. So I realized, Oh, I can’t be that person who’s nervous in the room. And then I realized they’re all nervous in the room. They’re waiting for somebody to take control. Just be like, hey, and even if that’s just like, Hey guys, how you doing? If you do that, like just try it one day, if you feel nervous in the room and everybody else’s no one’s making, you’ll be the one to be like, Hey everybody, how’s it going, and just smile and feel confident. And you’ll literally feel in the room. The relief because somebody everybody’s waiting for somebody to do that. Everyone feels that way. So if you don’t feel confident, realize most people don’t either. And so they’re not judging you. They’re judging themselves. So stop judging yourself and just be and then you know, your your level of confidence will hopefully, the difference between confidence and arrogance, don’t be arrogant, your level of confidence will raise other people’s confidence.

Brandon Handley 35:38
Now that rice has been able to walk into the room and try and change the, the energy of the room, right, just by being comfortable enough to step into your own skin. So you also know I think you have a you have a book coming out that’s going to speak to a lot of what we talked about on the podcast, when can we when When is that going to be out? And what’s it gonna be called?

Tracy Lamourie 36:01
That is going to be called get wrapped to build your brand with effective public and media relations. Nice,

Brandon Handley 36:06
nice and was it throughout

Tracy Lamourie 36:08
early summer was saying that it was it was supposed to be out already, my publisher will say, but I had actually pulled it back to add a few things. I learned a bunch of stuff over COVID just the way people who had previously built their brand successfully, and then they bled all over their page and ruined other hard work. I thought it’d be good to add a couple of you know, cautionary tales.

Brandon Handley 36:25
Sure, that’s fair. That’s fair. And where should I send people to go find you and have some more Tracy memori?

Tracy Lamourie 36:32
Yeah, and I do work internationally. If anybody does have any message anyone the English speaking world memori media.com. Or they can find me on Instagram. Tracy lemare pr media on LinkedIn is a great place to connect with me or Facebook and Tracy lemare. Awesome. Thanks so much for being on today. Thank you, Brandon. It’s been a ton of fun. Give me a lot to think about.

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Erin McCullough Spiritual Dope

Erin McCullough is a thought leader, an in-demand speaker and an international teacher that helps people create IMPENETRABLE JOY so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life, NOW! Erin had an Anxiety Disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year. Through that experience she learned how and why that happened and developed strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she now teaches. Erin vowed that when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience, so that has been her mission. Erin spent a decade studying the Mind/Body connection, Visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decade she has created simple strategies to Overcoming and Preventing Anxiety, Stress, Worry and Overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally in Joy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are and what you are meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy.

Connect with Erin at https://www.erin-mac.com/

The transcript below is machine-generated and unedited.

Brandon Handley 0:41
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on here today with Erin McCullough. She is a thought leader in the main speaker and an international teacher that helps people create impenetrable joy so that they can be calm, have peace of mind and meaning in their life. Now, Erin had an anxiety disorder that had her holed up in her home for nearly a year, through that experience to learn how and why that happened and develop strategies to overcoming and preventing it, which is what she’s now teaches. and vowed that she, when she found solutions to overcoming and preventing anxiety, she would do whatever she could to make sure that no one had that experience. So that has been her mission. There’s been a decade, studying the mind body connection, visualization and ways to still the mind. Over the decades, she’s created simple strategies to overcoming and preventing anxiety, stress, worry and overwhelm so that all her clients live a life intentionally enjoy. She has been an entrepreneur for 21 years and consulting businesses and business leaders for 16 years. If you question who you are, and what you’re meant to be doing in this life, let Erin help you discover your own path to joy. Erin, thanks for your work in through the technical difficulties. As a as I told you, I’m working on this newer platform. But thanks for thanks for joining today. How you doing?

Erin Mac 2:05
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. I’m wonderful. How

Brandon Handley 2:08
are you never been better. My whole life has led up to this point. So you know, here we are. Here we are. So I like to start these off with the idea that we are deal sources. We’re talking about like a little bit before we got started here that we are all our source and that the universe speaks through us. And that right now in this moment, the universe is speaking through you to one of the listeners today. What do you have to tell that listener?

Erin Mac 2:36
Well, first and foremost, I believe it is our birthright to be predominantly in joy all day, every day. And if that’s not the experience you’re having, then keep listening. We’re going to talk about all the things strategies, and you know why we’re here what we’re meant to be doing. You know, all the things,

Brandon Handley 2:59
all the things all the things that I love, I love that you kind of chose joy had to go out and I had to go out and grab my, my joy mug. Oh, no. It’s actually like pretty much one of my favorite mugs right as the idea of what you kind of see out first thing I pick up and I carry around, I see I get to see the word joy everywhere I go when I’m drinking out of the mug. So definitely enjoy it. definitely enjoy the word joy and glad that we have the opportunity to talk about it. And I’m also going to be very honest with you. Before I went in, I checked you out a little bit more I was like what kind of fit is this? Right? What kind of fit is this? Because, you know, being a you know, more of a thought leader and all this I suppose like what’s the spirituality fit me and you know, so in your mind, though, like the work that you do is spiritual, you know, the the personal development is spirituality work. Is that set? Right? Is that fair? Yeah. Well, let’s talk about let’s talk about the journey, right, let’s talk about breaking through anxiety. Let’s talk about, you know, how you found yourself in an anxious position and kind of some of the things that you did to work your way through it.

Erin Mac 4:06
Awesome. So you know, my story has kind of like three moments, defining moments, if you will. The first started with the anxiety disorder that you spoke about. It actually came about in talk therapy. I was going to a couple’s group counseling with my husband at the time. And in that first session, I had a panic attack and I never had one before so I had no idea what it was. And the counselor picked up on it right away she explained all you know what it was and first she told me what it was she didn’t really exactly explain what it was. I figured that out later, but she told me that’s what was happening and and from there, you know, she said something’s obviously coming up for you. Would you like to do some individual work and In that individual work, you know, I was telling my trauma story over and over and over again. And what my body decided to do was put up the defense mechanism of anxiety. And so it got so bad that as you said, I hold myself up in my home. You know, it didn’t, it wasn’t an overnight thing and happened gradually, panic attacks, more panic attacks, then, you know, I had one was running, and I was training for a race at the time. And so I felt like I couldn’t run anymore, at least temporarily. And so I stopped running. And then I stopped teaching, I was a teacher at the time. And so it happens that way, you know, slowly, it’s not just one, you know, wake up, and, and no candu. After about nine months of that, she referred me to a homeopathic psychiatrist, who gave me a remedy after a three hour interview, that in 20 minutes basically cured me from the experience of anxiety. That’s the physical chemical piece, right? And I thought, wow, I have a new lease on life, you know, I can go and do all these things. But because of that experience, I was afraid, right. So I decided to move to Hawaii, and move to a small town and have a simpler life, right? Thinking that, you know, then I would never get triggered. And I would just live my life happily ever after in paradise. And unfortunately, while the chemistry piece was handled the mental emotional spiritual piece, not so much. And so I was still there. So in that simpler life, of course, I created anxiety, stress, and all that. So I moved to Hawaii. Immediately, in the first 24 hours, I started a business and I had a client. Within 18 months, I had 20 employees, multiple six figure contracts. And, you know, I was on my way to stress and anxiety. And the second thing that happened that really rocked me to my core was I 10 years into my business of just being frantic and crazy, stressed all the time. A client called in the morning, she was upset, and I would just get so frantic about clients complaining, they got in my car, raced over to a friend’s house, backed into a driveway to drop my daughter off, and I sideswiped her husband’s car or her his truck with my car. And come to find out later, when I came to pick up my daughter, that her husband was under the truck working on it while I hit it, and he thought it was gonna land on him. And that just rocked me to my core, I thought, This is ridiculous. Like, this is no life, you know, running around like a crazy person all the time. And so then I dove, you know, into self development, got involved with a seminar company did all their seminar staff for them, and started to see that there was a different way to be in this world, and starting to make some changes, that we’re having an impact on my life and other people around me. And then about five years later, I

found myself in the middle of a divorce. And for whatever reason, it just leveled me, I was in a dark place. And I thought, you know, I’d spent 10s of 1000s of dollars on seminars, reading all the books, you know, trying to do this other life, but I didn’t really have any legit strategies to doing life differently. So then a series of things happened. I picked up the book, maybe you’ve heard of it, the Course in Miracles, and was about a month and two reading. It’s a daily passage for about a year 365 passages. And nothing I was kinda like, this is interesting, but not really rocking my world. Then all of a sudden, month two, this crazy thing happened where the word started, like popping off the page. It was like the path is joy. The answer is joy, joy, joy, joy. And I was like, finally after a couple weeks of that, I was like literally threw my hands up in the air. I was like, I got the answer. How do I get there? And a series of things happened. I got an email from a gentleman I met. He was teaching a seminar in a wahoo and I thought I’ll fly over for that. I have no idea what it is doesn’t matter just need something positive. And I went and it was a day long seminar on a visualization process that he teaches. And I was so excited by it. I came home and I started using it immediately called my broker who had had my business for sale for like nine months with no bites. And I was like look, I just want to let you know my business is going to sell by the end of the month and there’s going to be a bidding war. And it was like, okay, and long behold a week later That’s exactly what happened. And then I went back and trained this gentleman that I had gone to that seminar, he was having a seminar, to train people to teach his main seminar. And I went and trained for a week I came home, put on my first seminar, and I stood in front of this group of people, and I ditched my notes, five minutes in, because I had this crazy experience where like, everything that I had ever learned, all of my life experience, everything I had ever read, just came together, like at one moment, I went, Whoa, like, this is what I’m supposed to do. Like, I’m supposed to teach people how to find their joy, cultivated daily, and live the life that they’re meant to be living now, without waiting for all the things or the, you know, whatever they think they need to have in order to have that, like, that’s available now. And I happen to also during that few week period, meet the love of my life in these very random circumstances, which I don’t believe in random anymore. And, and so it just all lined up. And that’s what I’ve been doing for the last almost four years.

Brandon Handley 11:11
That’s awesome. I mean, and it’s interesting, right, that you came, you kind of came out of a, from what I gathered was more of a business oriented kind of thing versus this pursuit of joy, right, are you that you’re doing now? And I think that I heard you say, on another podcast that, you know, maybe some of this is Woo, but if it is, woo, it’s working out for you. And and you’re okay with it, right?

Erin Mac 11:39
I mean, that’s the thing, you know, people always say, Oh, that’s kind of woowoo. For me, I’m like, I’m looking at woowoo people, they look pretty happy as all I can say. Something too, and

Brandon Handley 11:50
it’s pretty amazing. The idea to have, you know, just try some of these things out for the first time. Very go into a very skeptical, right, this vision process that you’re doing that you’re thinking about, while it seems pretty cool. But then you you go and you try it. And then things start working out. Right. I mean, talk to me a little bit about that. So how did that have that come? And like kind of manifest itself? What was some of your initial reactions when you saw, were even calling it the universe? And what were you calling it? Well, like, what was your know, kind of how, how was that for you?

Erin Mac 12:30
You know, it’s kind of crazy, because you know, how it’s like life. I mean, again, it’s like life unfolds slowly. And you don’t recognize exactly what’s going on. So you look back and go, Whoa, like, look at all these things that happened. That’s crazy. It took me a while to even recognize how much I knew that I was feeling better that I knew. And honestly, you know, I just, I thought I knew what joy was, I thought I knew what happiness was. The thing was, is I was on this, like, roller coaster ride of things, right? It was just like I was so 100% bought into the idea that if I had all the things, you know, a stack of cash, and the house and the car and the successful business, and all the things that we’re told is gonna make us be happy. I had all those things, and I was so miserable, right? But I didn’t even know that it was possible to experience joy. Do you know what I mean? Like I really just didn’t even know what was available.

Brandon Handley 13:39
So I think it’s really interesting that you bring it up, right? I think there’s this, you know, Tale of Two Cities type of thing, where you went, and you got all these things, and you did all the things because this is what we’re taught. But that’s been my experience is like, hey, go through all these things. Because this is what you’re taught. Right? And you’re not doing it maybe with the same intent that some of these other people are doing it right, you’re doing it to a mass and acquire and to be happy and to have status versus what you’re doing now, which is to implement, purpose, intent, and service, right, and the outcome that you’re headed towards now. Right? If you haven’t, I’m sure you’ve already achieved. I mean, listen, if you landed in Hawaii has some clients on the first day and you know, whatever, you know, a mask pretty quick like that, you know, whatever it is that you’re doing right now, I’m assuming is successful, in one way or another, right? And but now it’s aligned to who you are with your purpose and there’s fulfillment and joy in that and the rest of it just kind of comes naturally, right? It comes as a byproduct of that intent and that purpose versus if you could compare To the way that you are running life before, right? You were miserable. You were like, anxious and you know, knocking people’s trucks over on him. Right? And now I’d like you’re doing maybe the same work, I don’t know. But what’s the effort feel like, compared to what you’re the effort felt like before.

Erin Mac 15:21
I mean, you’re, you hit it right on the head, like I am 100% in service of people and myself. And while that may sound selfish, it’s, it’s, it’s kind of where you got to be when you’re in service to people in this way, you know, and it’s a whole different experience, you know, before it just felt like I was grinding, grinding, grinding all the time, you know, like, it took all these things in order to make success, like I really, you know, there are these ideas that we have from a young age, you know, success looks like this formula. It’s right. It’s like, it’s like, hard work plus luck, right, you know, like this, you know, formula of success. And I was 100% bought into that, too. And now, it’s not like that, it’s like, it doesn’t seem like work. It’s not a four letter word anymore. For me, it’s 100%. Like, like, when I give to clients, I give to myself, like, it’s such a win win. Whereas I definitely didn’t function that way in my life before 100%. And now it’s like, you know, while I still have to negotiate, you know, time, you know, balance the things out in my life, this never feels like something I’ve have to do. Like, I’m excited to do it all the time. I feel called to share what I know, because it’s had such a profound impact on my life.

Brandon Handley 16:51
I think it’s interesting to how, you know, on your first seminar, you kind of tossed off to the side and everything you ever knew, kind of fell into this framework. Right, and you were able to just let it freely flow. Right? I mean, what, what looking back, what would you say happened there?

Erin Mac 17:15
Oh, I, I was, you know, I think we’re guided all the time. I think we have support all the time, from all the things, you know, universe, energy in general, you know, I mean, scientifically speaking, energy cannot be destroyed. So every person who’s lived, their energy is here to you know, and, you know, that’s why people talk to loved ones that have passed, and, you know, like, they still the energy is still hear it’s exist, so why not tap into those things? I think, you know, it happens to me all the time. And I’m not gonna lie, it was freaky. You know, because it’s, you know, for somebody who’s like a recovered control freak, you know, a bunch of people and all of a sudden, just free flowing. And not to say it was just random all over the place is still stuck to, you know, we had a workbook and things but, you know, to go off the notes, I still do that. And I just, and I, and I recognize, I mean, even sometimes when I’m on podcasts, like, I’ll just, I’ll wake up in the middle of it and go, Oh, like I, you know, I wouldn’t say it’s me, I want to say channeling, but it’s like, it’s taking energy that exists. Like what I’m telling what I tell people and how I’m in service to people and the information that I share with people. Like it’s not new to me, like I didn’t make this stuff. Right. Right. Right. This is a real learning. Right, right. And when I’m teaching, I see it in the students, it’s like, they can hear me on a deep level, even if they’re not consciously aware of what I’m saying. They’re feeling on a deep level. And that’s coming from not me, you know, I mean, I hear it and I can disseminate that information, distill it down. But it’s, it’s exists, we’re all connected to it one way or another.

Brandon Handley 19:06
No, 100%, right. Truth resonates. And that’s the kind of that that’s the experience and you’re talking to somebody else. And you’re in a room with with these people and and you’re having a truth session on the value column, right? It’s your truth, this is kind of coming through you. And you’re like, I don’t even know, I didn’t even know I could do that. Right? But then, but then the rest of the room is resonating with you. And to me, that’s kind of what it sounds like as happening. And you know, call it channeling. It’s funny too, because, like we we still have our limitations on what we’ll call it, right? Like, I don’t know that. Yeah, I don’t know, I call it channeling I don’t know, you know, whatever. But you know, what you’re doing is you’re at least letting yourself open to, to it, whatever, whatever it is, to come through and to to and through you. Right as a kind of a receiver translator as it were.

Erin Mac 19:59
That’s it. receiver for sure, yeah, yeah. And yeah, and I think we’re all we all have that ability.

Brandon Handley 20:07
I mean, it’s an eight, right. And so, I mean, I don’t know how old your kids are, you know, I’ve got my, my nine year old. And it’s so and and my older child to 11. But you know, it’s so obvious just how like innately in tuned. The children are, right as as as it is and, and then you can kind of watch it literally be kind of like almost a brainwash, but brainwashed out of them, right, like, you know, just kind of have those senses gold and like, you know, go through like this other thing, and you just kind of watch it, you’re like, wow, that’s crazy. Because we go through this relearning experience later in life. Are you an Alan Watts fan? I don’t know who that is. Oh, my gosh, come on now. All right. Alan Watts. Yeah, Alan Watts. You know, he’s a kind of philosopher made. Popular lies, Zen Buddhism. And in the West, West, it’s like in the 60s 70s, right? English guy, you really enjoy him. One of the things that he talks about those, it’s like, it’s like, we’re like salted beef, right? We get all salted and you got it. You got to desalinate that beef. And then you’re like, you’re back to your natural state at a certain point. And that’s, again, sounds to me. I like the way you’re the way you’re going. Right? You’re feeling into it. The what was the cure? I mean, because you had the homeopathic guy, right comes and gives you the cure. What was it? Do you recall? Was it like, a miracle pill? You know, help me out here.

Erin Mac 21:51
Now Now what? homeopathy is so interesting. It’s so distilled down the amount of whatever the substances may come in. Have you ever taken it before? That’s like little tinctures, tablet. They’re little pills. Yeah, no, tiny, tiny little granules. And, and they taste like sugar. And they have just, I mean, it’s almost like they have essence of the thing. And it really is for the purpose of sort of writing your own self, right? So you introduce it to the body, and the body goes, Oh, that’s right. We use a function fairly normally, in this stage. Here’s the thing that I need. And interestingly enough, when she gave me the remedy, she told me what it was called. And she said, I don’t want you to research it. And this is pre internet. It’s not pre internet, but it was definitely internet was not a thing. Really. This was like 99, there was no Google. Yeah, it was not, there was no verb called Google it. And so, you know, she was just like, I don’t want you to research this. And, you know, just see what happens or whatever. And, you know, and I, I mean, I almost don’t want to say what it is because I don’t want people with anxiety to think that that’s the cure all it’s not the cure all, it was just the thing that made me feel better enough to get on the path to recognizing that the work is internal, emotional, spiritual, and then the body follows.

Brandon Handley 23:29
It’s so interesting, though, right? Because we, we’ve, we believe the other way around, right? Because we see the things that everybody’s doing, but we can’t see the inner work, we can’t see how they’re thinking, functioning, or directing themselves internally to get to that point. So we’re like, Alright, well, I’m just gonna go do all those same things. Right? And it doesn’t it doesn’t work out, right? Because we’re not we’re not aligning all three of those pieces of ourselves together. We’re just like, we’re hammering on one at a time. Right?

Erin Mac 24:02
Yeah, I mean, I think you know, you see people they have you know, I work with a lot of people who have cancer and other diseases because that’s mental emotional, spiritual two, I believe were three equal parts you know, mind body spirit. And if any of those are out of alignment or out of balance, it’s going to show up in the other ones right and in a negative way or and that not wanted way. And often we can, you know, we can skip past mental and spiritual right we can we have all kinds of ways to not feel and acknowledge and, you know, the obvious ones are drugs and alcohol, the less obvious ones are things like being super busy, not ever having any stillness in our life, you know, being helicopter parents, you know, the SWAMI we spend all day every day Trying not to feel any. And, you know, and so you can imagine, and we’ve done it from a young age, like, it’s not really our fault. It’s, you know, we’ve grown up to this idea that we’re not supposed to have emotions, we’re not supposed to feel those things, only very controlled and in very specific ways, depending on the environment, you know, like, can’t cry in a business meeting, you know, you know, are you crying out to lose it? No crying in baseball.

Brandon Handley 25:32
I know, my first, my first go around, like in the podcast room and coaching space was fatherhood. And a big point of what you’re saying there’s is especially as Western civilization, men, emotions, come on now. You know, yeah. That’s it. I mean, and that’s a brilliant question too. Because we don’t know, we don’t know, one of the one of the tools that I use, often is the blue check wheel, right? Just just has the emotions kind of listed out, I hand it to my clients, I’m like, you know, go through it. You know, take a look at this every day, if you don’t know what this one means. Or if you if you think that you do, go double check the definition of that and just see kind of how you’re applying it in your life and how you can use it to, you know, acknowledge your situation, because we don’t we, I suppose I was like, 40, or something I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I was, I guess, like, you know what, because I had a, I had a coaching friend, he goes, because Brandon, I’m not hearing anything emotional, or there’s nothing emotional. I was like, Oh, let me go check that out. I was like, Well, I

Erin Mac 26:32
mean, unfortunately, our society, especially for a man, like you really only allowed to anger is the only like, standout emotion and now, that’s just as tragic. But that’s changing slowly, as

Brandon Handley 26:45
well. You know, I like to call kind of where we are right now in whatever culture like a hippie 2.0 situation. Right? Right. We’re kind of like a hippie 2.0 situation where like, okay, like, maybe if we don’t deal with all the drugs, it’ll work out better this time, right, like, cut it out on like, the illegal substances. And, you know, we can still get to this place, mentally and spiritually, right. And, and, and since we’re seeing that, there’s, there’s the actual benefits are being seen and heard, and, and I think that the pandemic had such a huge influence, because nobody was spared. Right? If anything good came out of level, it’s like, it’s like, level set everything. So, so for the, you know, for the CEO, or business leader that could normally like hop on a plane and do everything that like, his employees couldn’t, he was stuck at home to with the kids having to deal with the zoom meetings. He wasn’t getting a you know, he wasn’t getting a free ride out of it. Right. And so his mental, her mental health was impacted as well. And they’re like, Oh, shit, everybody’s gone through this, we’d better do something. Right. So we see, right? I mean, so I think there’s some benefit out of this whole COVID situation to huge, right, right, the right mental health space of people, spaces, places and things. So if I am coming to you, and I am like, the client type I am is who you were before you got to this choice spot, right? Um, you know, I’ve got success, not like, you know, I’m not Whoo, kind of guy, my calendars, you know, tight and all this stuff. What are you what are some of the first things that we’re gonna do together?

Erin Mac 28:39
First, we’re going to acknowledge and begin to make some separation between the story that’s been running your life, you know, the story of all the rainbows and sunshine, a story of all the, you know, the yucky, the fit, the unfair, the unjust, the abuse, trauma, all those things, not for the purpose of wallowing in and you know, it just to acknowledge where we started, and maybe what’s affecting some of the ways that we see this world, how we perceive people and circumstances, and then take that story and recognize it for what it is the gift that it has been, and will continue to be in terms of showing us where healing and growth can take place. And you know less about all the things all the details in terms of, you know, who and what happened and all of those things. It’s really more about what did you decide about you because of that story. Those are the beliefs and then when we recognize some of those beliefs, then we can understand that, you know, that’s been playing out in the background, that’s the wallpaper so to speak of our lives, you know, where we make decisions from and a lot of the decisions are fantastic. We need not mess with those, but the ones that aren’t serving the future that we want to create. Those are the ones we want to take a closer look at. And so then, from there, I have people do a day, I have them write out a narrative of the day in the life of everything they ever wanted to create in our life, you know, all outcome based, you know, all you know, all the fields, you know, touch, taste, see, smell the whole deal. So exciting, you know, ever, like literally for a moment, wake up until moment go to sleep one day with everything in it, all the people, all the circumstances, all the outcomes. And then they use that in a visualization. And they start their day, because that’s where I found my joy was in that visualization. Understanding a day in the life now, is it about manifesting? Not exactly. It’s really about elevating the emotional experience, because you have that at your disposal at all times. And so we learn that we can our body doesn’t forget things. So when I’m in my visualization in the morning, like, My arms are in the air, I’m like, super excited, like, yes, that just happened. And then yes, that happened to and I mean, tears of joy streaming down my face. I mean, it’s all the things, I’m 100%. And on every level, I’ve raised my emotional experience. And then, like I said, the body doesn’t forget. So when you have that experience, you can recall it at any time. So when you’re going throughout your day, things start to go south, you can put yourself Take a moment, close your eyes, put yourself back into that moment, refocus and move on, versus what most people do is go out, this thing’s not working out. And then there’s all these other things that aren’t working out, there’s that thing, and then there’s another thing I didn’t like, and then this other person, and then you know, and so just got to read the brain and just, it loves to do the same stuff over and over again, and act like it’s new.

Brandon Handley 32:08
Yeah, it’s not. I mean, I think the idea of the brain, right, it’s, uh, likes to be an efficient piece of machinery, right? consumes so much energy, the more efficient it can be. And so let’s just keep doing this thing, because it’s just, you know, hasn’t killed us in the past? Right? If we just keep doing this, we will die. And we may not be enjoying our lives. But you know, it, you know, hasn’t killed us before. So I enjoy I enjoy the visualization. And and I think that there’s a big piece of what you’re saying there that a lot of people when you’re doing these exercises, don’t hammer home, I think, quite enough. And that’s something I think you’re touching on is the idea of the feels. Right. So my guess is that this is kind of a writing in the present tense exercise. Right?

Erin Mac 33:00
Yeah, preferably, you know, again, outcome base, so you want to say in gratitude, right, because of high vibration, it’s, you know, I’m so grateful that, you know, all these things are happening in my life, you know, as though they’ve happened already, as they exist in the now. Right. And they will, in your visualization, they exist as already taken place, and done deal.

Brandon Handley 33:25
Right. And I think that, that the idea is that I’m just, I’m just feeling your words now. Because I heard you saying earlier today, the idea is that, you know, what wants to give us the idea that right, so if I can feel it right now, then what’s that doing for me?

Erin Mac 33:42
Yeah, that’s creating, so I can’t tell you how to get all the things. I mean, I think, you know, for me, they’ve come by being in that elevated state. And so, you know, I, what I help with is changing the experience of life, you know, and I think that’s a heck of a lot more important than amassing things, you know, if, if I could show you how to change your experience in your life to joy, right now, by doing this visualization, that seems more valuable to me than, you know, telling you how to make six figure seven figures, whatever, you know, to me, other people, you know, they have other ideas, and that’s wonderful. And, and I don’t proclaim to, you know, claim to be able to help with those things. But I know how to find joy and I know how to cultivate it so that you can have that experience. And that’s, you know, that’s the first step is to recognize that you are responsible for your experience and when you know this, not in like fault blame shame kind of a way, in an empowering way, then you can just choose and choose and choose. Just keep choosing that thing that makes you feel good now, it doesn’t change anything, have goals, do all the other stuff, too. That’s amazing. But, you know, given that we only have this moment here, guaranteed why not make this one enjoyable? You know?

Brandon Handley 35:16
Yeah, no, agreed, agreed. And, you know, if I’m, if I’m, if I’m a law of attraction guy, if I’m, you know, in that space, right, this is how I would, you know, kind of liken it would, and I don’t know who it is, there’s plenty of them out there. That’s like, you know, the happiness doesn’t kind of come later comes now, right. And if you can be happy now, and whatever the circumstance, like you’re talking about, then you can make that choice. Again, like you’re talking about all the time. You can find joy all the time, and anything and all you’ve got to do is again, like you’re saying, If I go through the morning, and I had this visualization, I’m like, Well, I’m feeling the feels. It’s all there for me, everything’s great. Ah, and then like, you know, late in the day, I’m not so feeling the feels. And I’m like, Well, wait a second. early in the day, I was feeling the feels. And this was like that kind of anchor point. Right? Let me get back to that for a second. Because I created that moment for myself. Right, versus kind of letting something outside of me create that it was me who did that Creator of all these things, then, here I am. I’m always like, kind of high vibe. And I’m always like, buzzing, right. And then, you know, you’re basically sending that out into the universe, right? Like, just kind of this this high vibe. And, you know, if we act as if the universe is a force multiplier, right? We know that like anything, you’d come out and throw out, there’s coming back at you like, Well, I better stop, throw a monkey poo, right, like and start the things that I could really use in my life that I want in my life. And then you know, and visualize that and see it, feel it and release it right. I think that’s important, too, is kind of just like, release it and not hang on to the idea that it has to happen, right? You’re talking about the people that are like, well, this, Aaron, I tried this for three days, and it didn’t show up. My life did not change the way you said it was. And I’ve you know, I’ve been doing all the things you tell me to do. But I mean, the idea, again, is to go through those fields, have them do the visualization. And release it because again, you’re creating your own, you’re creating your own space, please in time, let’s face that, right.

Erin Mac 37:25
Yeah. And I got two things to say about that. One is I want to talk about the difference between happiness, his idea of happiness and joy, because they’re different. And I forgot what the other one is. But I’ll talk about the happiness, the joy, that one the rest will come. Right. So to me the difference between happiness and joy is that happiness is fleeting, right? It’s you get the new car, it’s amazing. Eventually, it’s just a car, right? It gets you from A to B, and this game of, you know, getting the things to make you feel good, it feels good for like this amount of time, right. And I only know that because I did all those things. I had the houses and the cars and the successful business and the time flexibility, all the things that everybody would want. And I literally kept like going over finish lines. And going, yay, hooray. I’m happy right now. And then, like, when I was doing trap all the stuff of go across the finish line, I would go home after celebrating for like five minutes. I mean, maybe like half hour or whatever, go home and find another race that I could either crush my time in that was longer hard or whatever. Like there was no end to it, like a couldn’t win that race ever. Joy, on the other hand, encompasses some of the you know, the exuberance and all of that Not always, but it can include those. But it also has these nuances of like stillness and peace of mind, which is not thinking all the time thing. Or overthinking and calm. Right. And so those nuances are available and so rich, you know, they’re either things I didn’t know existed. I had no I mean, maybe I’d heard those words before, but I didn’t really understand them on a deeper level. You know, and so, those differences are important, because the one you just can’t win out. So yeah, get all the things and be super abundant and all the ways just recognize that the journey inside is the one that has purpose and meaning the one on the outside where we collect things. Those are super cool and fun too. They just don’t. They don’t fill you up as a human

Brandon Handley 40:01
I think that I think that those are important distinctions, right? Happiness quick and fleeting, right? and joy is a little bit more kind of like a long lasting coal and Ember of warmth, right? Yeah. But a state of being. Yeah. So let me see here. Two things, two things. So I liken this, what we’re doing here is like spiritual speed dating, right? Like somebody’s gonna, somebody’s gonna tune in, they’re like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. Right? And, and this could be you. So I’m gonna ask you at least one kind of, you know, question is that, uh, you know, let me see here, whoa, yeah. Why are so many people depressed?

Erin Mac 40:47
Okay, so call it depression, call it anxiety, call it whatever you want any low level experience, which is anything that doesn’t feel good stress, overwhelm, worry, all those lovely words, they’re the same thing. They are the experience of the human wanting to control people and circumstances to fit in how they want them to show up, or they don’t feel good. And the unconscious recognition at the same time that it is impossible to control people and circumstances and events to fit into your agenda. And so you can see where that those two things butting up against each other would create some confusion. And so that confusion looks like anxiety, depression, you know, all the it’s, we have this new, we’ve touched on it before the belief thing, right? So it’s foundational, we made up everybody has them. I’ve not met anybody yet, who does not have these very core ones that are things like, I don’t deserve, I’m not worthy, I’m not good enough. I’m not lovable, you know. And they’re all basically the same thing. Like, I’m not good enough. And so those are underlying all of our decisions and how we’re feeling about ourselves. And then we interact with other people. Based on those beliefs, we have decided what’s right and wrong. So that’s how people are supposed to show up for us, and how circumstances are supposed to show up for us. And so we got into this habit of we learned this piece about when this person says something or the circumstance doesn’t turn out how I want, then somehow it’s their fault, right? So if that person said something, and they’re rude, instead of that person said something triggered something in me that did not feel good. What is that? And why is that there? When we look at that with wonder and curiosity and go interesting, because I guarantee whatever is triggering, you is not triggering me. So that’s how, you know, it’s all you.

Brandon Handley 43:06
It’s true. Um, you know, if if I was spiritually looking for a date, then then I would say, Hey, what’s up? I’m good. And I agree, you know, I don’t think there’s a piece in there that I disagree with. So So thank you, I think that’s a great answer to to it, right? Everybody’s still trying to control the outcomes in some way, shape, or form. And when they’re not turning out the way they want them to. They’re not they’re not accepting it. Right? They don’t see it. And I think that the idea of approaching these triggers with wonder and curiosity versus like, kind of anger and angst is also really why is this can trigger still here. Right? So it makes sense. And I love it. So and what else I know that we talked about, you know, you’re doing the work that you’re doing now, but you’ve got a new endeavor, what are you, you know, what are you leaning into next?

Erin Mac 44:00
Oh, my gosh, I’m so excited. I’m working with couples right now. I just finished doing my pilot course, on partnership. And the reason I’m so excited about it is, well, first of all, I truly believe we are here for spiritual development, or you call self development or whatever you want to call it consciousness. And when we recognize that that’s why we’re here and that all these you know, challenges that come into our life are for the purpose of our growth, then we can, you know, grow and heal and enjoy ourselves, right? Well, what happens when you bring two people together, that understand that there’s a process to healing and growing and understand that same process in a way where, you know, in couples, it’s like, it’s easy to see how escalation can happen because it’s like, especially when I’ve just told you what’s going on. Right. So You said this thing, it made me feel bad, you know, right. So instead of, you know, we do this responsibly, so then we go, Oh, you said this thing, I feel bad. There’s nothing that you can do to make me feel better, I’m in charge of making me feel better. And then they can support you in that, right? And then instead of escalating it’s support, right? So it’s not, you made me feel this way. It’s, I feel this way, and it doesn’t feel good. And, you know, support me in that instead of like, get your beliefs and you know, the things in your life that aren’t working out and escalate, escalate, escalate, it’s like, no, this is mine, I own it, it doesn’t feel good. And then the two of you work together in that capacity. And it’s just amazing to watch couples, it’s exponential, because not only is their relationship so much better, but think of the impact that will have on their kids, the rest of their family, when they can see two fully functioning adults coming together, helping support each other in their spiritual growth. It’s phenomenal. And so that sounds awesome. That

Brandon Handley 46:15
sounds awesome. So where does, you know? What, who’s your ideal client? Like in this space? Right? So I think we got two types of ideal clients, you got the partners, ideal clients, and then you’ve got your, your, your standard practice clients, what is what are they?

Erin Mac 46:30
So ultimately, you know, being an entrepreneur for like, 21 or two years now, entrepreneurs, like me, for some reason, because I get their craziness, I understand that they are under the gun and responsible for a lot of things. And those, typically, and leaders to write just people have a lot of responsibility. That, you know, like to make all the things work out, you know, like to control all the things, those are the people that I ended up working with, because I get them, I was them. And I still have nuances of that, of course, you know, so working on me, and all that all the things. And then couples who are recognizing that, you know, especially when you’re coming together as maybe two, what do they call that the set called the two families come together to blend in? Yeah. Like, I’ve noticed quite a few couples that are interested in working with me, that have that situation, because it’s, you know, it’s already challenging being in partnership, but then you bring in the kids and just escalates all the things. And so, you know, any couple, of course, who’s having an issue, wanting to communicate in a deeper way or, you know, deepen their relationship in some way. Fantastic. And, you know, it’s super challenging when you’re bringing in, you know, other kids and into the mix and all that. Yeah, it’s

Brandon Handley 48:05
hard enough with your own, right. Yeah, for sure. So and where then, where Then should I send people to come and find you, if they’re interested?

Erin Mac 48:18
I think probably the best place to find me is on Instagram. My handle is Aaron, er, I N m A C LLC. And I post like a weekly video on some sort of strategy or something to think about. And I put like, inspirational memes and my stories. And my website URL is in the profile as well. It’s a good way to interact with me, you can DM me, you can private message me or whatever. You know, and I always whenever I’m on a podcast, I offer a free I call it step one to joy call to just get you on the path, you know, maybe I you know disseminate the, the visualization process a little bit further so that you can get started on that and your life or whatever that looks like. And if afterwards, you still want to hang out with me and learn more than great if you don’t, no strings attached. It’s just my way of being in service.

Brandon Handley 49:21
Awesome. And thanks so much for being on today. Thanks for what you do, right? You know, being able to help people make that transition from a Bumble of nerves into something, you know, a little bit more usable and functional in society. I mean, there’s the there’s a reason why that’s your calling. So thank you for being of service and doing that for everybody out there.

Erin Mac 49:47
Oh my gosh, thanks for having me. And thanks for having these platforms. It’s really important to have these conversations, giving people hope and strategies and just something to think about that’s, you know, positive I appreciate the opportunity. Thank you so much. Absolutely.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Today I have with me Prabhat Gautam and you know, I’m gonna deviate a little bit, I’ll definitely let you know that for both comes from, you know, to me from positive television. That org it’s a positive television is something that provides has created himself and he connects with a ton of ton of different people and organizes lots of awesome events. But you know today I just want to I want to take a little bit of a deviation from just kind of doing the biographical statements I just wanted to say, you know, Rob came to me, by way of, you know, just kind of like a random introduction, you would you had introduced Kiko Ellsworth to the podcast, and I just wanted to reach out and say, thank you for that. And then it turned into, you know, kind of, you know, getting on the podcast, and I just thought that was really cool. Because you never know whose life you’re touching, right? When you do these podcasts and who you’re reaching out to. And, you know, even before we got started today, you’re you’re sharing that? Well, you know, you still listen to a podcast or two. And it’s always great to hear that, that what’s being sent out is being heard. So thank you for that for being a listener, but also for, you know, being a connector and also for the work that you do in the space that you are in, which we’ll certainly talk about, and for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:31
But thank you so much, Brandon, and thanks for creating this amazing platform. And, you know, when I heard episodes, I just I wanted Chico to be on there. Because, you know, Chico, last year did this amazing conference. And he’s looking for opportunities to talk about his spiritual journey. And I was like Brandon’s the guy, because the reality is what you’re doing with the whole spiritual junk movement and what you’re doing with your podcast. It’s really getting spirituality, I think, to a next level, or it’s real for people. And I think during our time today, we’ll talk about how you’re making it real for people. And it’s not just, you know, as we heard many times of your podcast, this out there thing that people aren’t practicing every day, you’re making it a practical thing. What you’re doing

Brandon Handley 2:19
now, thank you. Thank you. And I’m glad that that’s coming through, right? Because that’s absolutely the intent is how do we make this practical and less nebulous, and more of something that is in your life every day all the time? Right, there’s no separation. So since you have listened, then then you should know, right, the next piece is that the universe speaks to us. Right? And, and there’s somebody out there today that you know, is going to be tuned into the podcast. And there’s a message that is being delivered to and through you that that listeners are going to need to hear what is that message today.

Prabhat Gautam 2:57
I really deeply believe that. I want people to find what they’re just what they’re driven to do. And it may not need to be your occupation. But live more of that. If you’re a painter and you love painting, I’m not saying you need to quit your job and become a professional painter. But make time every week in your life to do that. If you love going to the beach, because it brings you joy, go once a week, once a month, like take your vacations there. So we know deep down what we’re drawn to like where there’s a magnet, we know what we’re getting what we feel deeper than we need to be around. And I think for the truth is, for a lot of us, it’s good people. It’s inspirational programming. So go find that stuff. So that’s what I hope people will do is, is do more of this stuff that really nourishes you and fulfills you. Because when you do that amazing, wonderful things open up in mostly you open up.

Brandon Handley 4:00
That’s awesome. So the I mean, the idea that the idea that simply do more of what you love, right, and it doesn’t have to be this doesn’t have to be the this thing where you throw everything away and just do this thing, right? Like you always hear people talking about burning bridges and let it all go right. But just just to find time and and make that time to to go do it. And the idea, I love the idea that it’s going to nourish and fulfill you, right? Yeah, I mean, just I mean talk a little bit more about what you mean by nourishment and fulfillment, right? What’s that mean to you?

Prabhat Gautam 4:42
Yeah, what it really means is it my three favorite analogies are always sports, dating and food, right? Those three things and they like when you think about when, when you’re in those worlds if you meet somebody you like them. You want to spend more time, right? There’s like this, this magnetism if you’d like somebody in sports, you do all this time to practice every day, because you’re preparing for the game. And if you go into a game, and you’ve never practiced your level performance, it’s just not gonna be the same level as your, as your competitors, and your teammates. And then obviously, in the food world, we’ve all done this, we’re all guilty of it, I’m still guilty of it, sometimes, you have this pack day, we have so much you have to do, you look up at two o’clock, you haven’t eaten anything, you haven’t drank juice, you haven’t, like, you know, you’ve not you’ve, you’ve basically gone through a 568 hours a day, with no nutrients, often no water, and that’s gonna affect your ability, like, it’s gonna affect your brain, it’s gonna affect your effectiveness. And the reality is, it’s gonna affect your mood, you’re not going to be as loving, as nurturing as thoughtful a person. So for me, everything comes back to, we know what nurtures us, we know what fills us. So when you know, in you what you need to be nurtured. And I know for me on the food level, I love quick snacks, like I love snack bars, I love to have juice in the morning. And that’s how I like to run my day. So if I’m not doing that, or not taking care of my basic nutritional needs, it’s going to impact what I’m going to be able to do for other people. I think you know, this brand, and even with your podcast, you might do multiple podcasts in a day. But if you’re not making any time for you, and your loved ones, it’s gonna affect your podcast, like you’re going to feel it, your energy levels is going to be a little lower, you’re going to be a little tired, you’re not going to have as much focus. And you’re doing this all the time. I think at a high level, I think you’re doing amazing work. But the truth is, can we all do things at a higher level? And how much are we holding ourselves back? When we’re not nourishing ourselves?

Brandon Handley 6:54
Yeah, I mean, that’s powerful. Right? Can I mean just, yeah, just the idea of, can we be doing something at a higher level, by by nourishing ourselves, right, by by adding the element of making sure that we’re taking care of ourselves, and that’s inclusive of taking care of our families. And, you know, as as, as, you know, look as a family, man, right? I can, I will definitely feel thrown off balance, if I’m not having that family time. Right. And it will definitely show up in everything that I’m doing, just like you’re saying. So what, you know, one of the cool things, I mean, you know, the, I know you through right, is the positive television piece, right, which you shared with me. Well, let’s talk a little bit about that. And how you got that spun up and organized. And what took you there?

Prabhat Gautam 7:42
Yeah, so for me, I grew up on the MTV era, right, in the, in the 90s. And I remember when I, I just loved it, you know, loved music videos, and just loved sort of it was this pop culture phenomenon. And I think, you know, getting out of college as like, Well, what do I want my life to be? And I went, and I did an internship with Amnesty International, but I thought my life would be putting these reports together about what’s happening internationally, and fixing, you know, atrocities, and how do we change the world? And then right before I finished college, I interned with the Vice President, the University, University of Oklahoma, and then I started writing out what would my dream world look like? And how would I want to be part of it? And I felt like media has this incredible power, to motivate, inspire, and get people to take action? So I thought, Well, okay, media can do that when they tell stories. And this is, you know, 1999. I thought, well, what if you’re actually intentional with your media? What if it’s not like, oh, there’s 29 minutes of local news. That’s depressing and terrible, and you’re scare? And the last 30 seconds are, you know, somebody saved the cat that went up a tree? What did we actually just did all positive stories, while we’re being realistic, that there’s a lot of terrible things happening in the world, but it’s always solution oriented. And that’s really sort of the impetus of what positive telogen turned into. So I moved out to LA in 2000, to create this television network. And again, I was young, I didn’t know what I was doing, which I honestly believe is the best place to be at when you don’t know what you’re doing. You just take steps step step. And you might take a wrong step, but it’s a learning step. So again, right? What I love to use words like failure and wrong, because I think so often people view those as negative. And I feel like if we own Hey, I failed, hey, I don’t I’ve made the wrong choices, then it’s like, Okay, well, then I know there’s a right choice to make. I know there’s a chance for success. So for me, you know, I believed in this world moved to Los Angeles to try to create this television network. And the next thing that happened is Tesla events. I’ve met all these people that I thought would help me build this network, and I ended up producing events and now 21 years later, I’ve produced 800 events in Los Angeles. with, you know, huge celebrities, usually super wealthy people. And and now when I look back in 1999, and 2008, a cable TV channel, but I saw a world where there’s no commercials where you’re just telling stories. And the reality is, there was no YouTube, there’s no Facebook, there’s no Google in 1999. Like, none of that existed in the way it exists now. So sometimes when you’re early, it’s really difficult because you think the world doesn’t believe in what you believe in. And later, you realize, like when I listen to podcasts now, and you watch YouTube videos, and you see Netflix, Amazon, there’s so much content that’s inspirational. It was like 1% of the content and 9099. Now, if you want to be surrounded by positivity all day, you can live in that positive bubble as much as you want. Which I think realistically, we need we need. After you’ve had a family member that’s passed, or something sad happened, you needed to be lifted up, and you need to be in a place of all positivity. And then when you come back to the regular world, where there’s some negative, some positive, you can start at 20 9010, you could really, you can curate your positivity in one of the podcasts that you did random that I loved was with Mr. Youngblood and you talked about Wish I love you said, if somebody finds a spiritual community, that doesn’t work for them, it’s not an indictment on that community or on you, it just isn’t a fit. So go seek out other communities. Because once you find your community, you’ll you know what you feel it. And sometimes the search isn’t the first door. It’s four doors, it’s eight doors, but every door taught you your resilience, and how bad you want to find your try.

Brandon Handley 12:00
Yeah, 100%. And thanks for that. Right. The idea is,

Unknown Speaker 12:05
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Brandon Handley 12:06
you start to feel that spiritual pool, there’s kind of no stopping you. But there is, there’s the opportunity to find a community that you don’t really know identify with, or feel like you fit in with and you can keep moving again, like you’re saying beyond to to the next or the next word, there’s so, so many, so many places that you can go right now. That is just, it’s just amazing. And to your point, right? You know, we didn’t have YouTube, back in the day, we didn’t have Facebook, we didn’t have all these communities, we didn’t have all these things open to us, that we that we’ve got available right now. But I love the idea of what you’re saying too. And that kind of fear. If you’re a visionary, right? If you’re ahead of your time, you may feel like people aren’t believing in you, or you start to maybe doubt like your own vision and, and kind of what you’re going through. And it’s not that the world isn’t ready for you. It’s it’s getting ready, right? It’s like It’s like, it’s like getting dressed for the prom, right? It’s just gonna take, so it’s gonna take a little bit longer than you expected.

Prabhat Gautam 13:09
And I think too, sometimes it’s, I remember in college, but I just was flipping channels. Late at night, I saw the story about missing kids. And I said, Why are we not finding these kids? I never knew any kid that’s missing. I just saw this story. And it just impacted me. So I started writing letters to Oprah and Rosie O’Donnell and CNN and said, We need to like find these kids, like don’t show photos of them. Let’s incorporate it into your programming. And I remember getting all these letters back where they’re like, Oh, yeah, you know, we tried to dress it. We’re doing this, we’re doing that. I remember, I did a mock up of what I thought that look like. And it was this television network where all the commercials would be little ads at the bottom, there’d be no real commercial just be like, you know, it’s basically what’s a banner ad on and, and the internet now. And I remember kind of writing everything up and saying I think the future is going to be a ton of content like you know, when john f kennedy was killed you see the the story with a reporters telling you know, Walter Cronkite tells the story. I want to watch the whole news coverage before that last minute where he says that, so we’re gonna find that archival footage, and I thought eventually there’ll be a video outlet somewhere where you find out archivable news footage. I had no idea what YouTube would be would be silly videos and, you know, cat videos or whatever else. But it’s also what you were saying. It’s highly educational, Facebook, YouTube, Instagram, all these things. They can suck up your day and 19 hours are wasted. Or it can be inspirational. You’re growing, you’re learning you find your community of people, so many wonderful friends who live in that social media space. They work in that space. They’re there in you know, they’re influencers, that space. They have people that they know every aspect of their life. They’re friends with that they Never met face to face. And I think, isn’t that a beautiful thing like you’re creating pen pals all over the world that you’re connected with. And for me, I in social media, where I, you know, I like to put stuff out, I don’t spend a lot of time interacting on social media. But again, I think that’s, that’s a product of my age, I think that’s sort of, I come from a world of AI Still, if there’s somebody is doing something cool, like what you’re doing brand or something, something, Hey, you guys should know about this person. I cold call people. I’ve done that for 30 years. And I think, you know, when I meet these Gen X, Gen Z kids, they’re like, what’s called calling like, you find somebody that’s doing something that’s really amazing. You send them an email, or a phone call, or you just pick up a phone, and you call them and say, Hey, I love what you’re doing. This is why I love it. And sometimes divided, it can be a reason why you are going to work together, you’re just telling them, Hey, I respect what you’re about. And sometimes those things lead to amazing friendships. You know, you can work with those people. At the very least, they got encouragement, I think, you know, we’re in a world of we all love being encouraged. We love positivity. But I think part of that equation is we need to put that out, we need to be encouragers. So when you see somebody say something positive, that’s really, you know why I’m so excited about this world of this guy, I think it’s a whole new media phenomenon where, where it’s not four channels is that you know, four channels that dictate to you what you learn, you get to pick what you want to learn every day of your life. And if you don’t want to learn what I remember, in 2003, I had a good friend who is Episcopalian, and she would do lat so I said, I want to do let you know, I my backgrounds, cultural anthropology, so I gave up all TV for a month. Well, it happened to coincide with the first with the the Gulf War, the 2003 Gulf War. And I remember thinking, I’m so lucky, I missed that. Because how negative was that seeing bombs thrown on people and death and, and just sort of be in a constant state of fear, where you know, just happen to coincide with the time I, it’s the only year I ever did lab. But that LED will always be memorable to me, because I grew up, you know, when you’re in Ramadan. I’m not trying to be Catholic or Episcopalian or Muslim. But Ramadan, I said, I want to see what this journey is for people that do that. And I learned so much understanding for what people go through, that really don’t eat for the day. Because they don’t have access to food, I get to do it as a chance for me to grow. And, you know, try to see what a billion people in the world are doing. But realistically, there are people who don’t eat a meal a whole day, there’s children that don’t eat. So if I can grow as a person and can walk in their shoes, or if even it makes me a better person,

Brandon Handley 18:02
right? No, I love that. I love the I love the idea of, you know, just trying to walk in somebody else’s shoes for for a period of time, you know, going through, I’ve never done land. I’ve never done Ramadan, right. And one of the things that I certainly encourage my family to do with my children is to research other cultures, right? Go research other cultures outside of America. And you know, what, what did they do? What do they celebrate? What does that celebration? What are those kids eating this week? Right? What does that look like for them? And this is something that I took from one of my history teachers way back in the day is like, why something like some type of food that that culture makes? And let’s, let’s eat that. Let’s make that meal, right? Like, what goes into that? And kind of where does it come from? And the background of it. And so, definitely love that. One of the things that, you know, I don’t think that we really hit upon you do events, what type of events the Do you know, with with these 800 events? What kind of events are they?

Prabhat Gautam 19:03
Yeah, so it’s really it’s a charity space. So it’s, it’s a ton of fundraisers. So in 2008, I did a fundraiser for group called kind kids in need of defense. So undocumented children that are that are picked up by ice angelyn it’s one of Angelina Jolie’s charities. So that was amazing. And she wasn’t there. So we didn’t get to get married. So I’m still sad by that. I think she was a bad dad at the time anyway. But But you know, I guess put that together. I’ve done so a lot. First stars with foster kids. That’s something I’m passionate about. And then a bunch of the animal charities gentle barn, Farm Sanctuary, Humane Society, like there’s just so so it’s really my sort of focus is what’s the group that doesn’t have a voice and then how do we give them a voice? So it’s animals, it’s people, it’s it’s people abroad, right. Like, I think even people here you know, it’s women and domestic violence. They don’t feel like they have a voice. It’s Kids. So that’s so much of it. So I’d say the majority is, is definitely fundraisers. And then along with that, what I love is doing documentary launches, doing book launch events, restaurant launch events, like the whole thing of getting people there to celebrate. I just I love that. So that’s really what I looked back at 21 years and 800 events. But there was one month, September 2007, I did 30 days of events. So I just because I’d never done that, I said, I want to challenge myself, I’ll do an event every single day that I produced. And we’ll never do that, again, probably. There’s a lot of time. But But definitely, it was amazing, because I teamed up with all these other people and said, Hey, I’m doing this month of events come up with a really fun idea. And there’s a woman she she made, you know, a little vegan baked goods, and she wanted people to rollerblade I don’t work. But now I see that she made these big guns, she gave him away for free. people showed up there probably the weather. And says like, that’s fine, you know, and there’s some fundraisers obviously during that month, but a lot of it’s just, I think my passion is how do you help people figure out their community? How do you grow community that how do you use community to do maximum good in the world. And I think what we all know is we all have, you know, whether people have the financial resources to help, or they can just share a video share a story, there’s just we have, we have the ability to help raise awareness, and you know, sign up people, my friend, she metal has a whole movement called raising their vibration, who I’m definitely going to introduce you to Brandon, you know, she has a whole radio thing with la talk radio, but that’s her whole thing. It’s like she does, you know, public events, how do you raise vibration in the world? So, to me, it’s that all comes back to it’s, it’s just bringing more positivity and, and I’m an obsessed connector. So how do we connect people, and then get them to do more good, because, you know, once I meet people like, hey, Brandon, I’m a kid, this person has a great podcast, who are the people I know beyond that, then if I meet somebody that’s a chef, and they went out there doing a cookbook? Well, who do I know, there are photographers to help them with their books. So I’d say so much of my work is people reaching out to me, because they have a project, and they don’t know how to move it along. And then I help them make it happen.

Brandon Handley 22:25
That’s awesome. And I love that, you know, it’s kind of like, you’ve got this, you know, gift of being able to see kind of what’s good and everyone and to be able to connect the goodness as it is. Right? And, and to help them to, to scale that out is what it sounds like, right? You know, if somebody doesn’t know, you know, they’ve got a great idea, or they, you know, and they just want to give to the community, and then you’re able to help them kind of put that together in some way, shape, or form. And really, what you’re doing is raising vibration.

Prabhat Gautam 22:58
But thank you, I mean, some things I’m excited, you know, people need for like helping with a documentary Forks Over Knives. They’re really the documentary game changers, I helped introduce those producers, to some funders, they’ll pay for it. And it’s a lot of people that are pieces of puzzles, I just saw people just really honest with and they just say, Hey, this is our budget, you know, we would love to hire you bring you in to help us do this event. But you know, we also need to raise funds for the project. So we’re strategically, what do you think we need to do? And I can sit down with them, and I’m honest with them, and I say, you know, these steps, and you know, this is what, from my experience of 21 years of events, where I think you’re gonna have the best opportunity. So much of what I talk to people about is go to friends and family first, when you have an idea. I know a lot of times, our family’s not encouraging. And that’s why a lot of people get into these spaces where they want to help. But I think give them a chance to say no, because if you don’t go to them, it’s a no, if you go to them, and they say yes. And I’ve met with people, they say, Oh, well, my best friend’s father is a multimillionaire, but you know, I don’t really want to go to them to help. But I have this idea, but I have no funding. And I would say to them, go to your friend’s father, because maybe he won’t give you a million, maybe they give you 5000 10,000. But if he gives you 10 or 20,000 for your project, well, then you start it. And once you started, it’s just the philosophy of take a step every step you take, because what I’ve seen over and over and over again, is when people are the idea phase, we’re still used to people talking about ideas, and it doesn’t turn into anything. But when you take action, people don’t want to hear Oh, I want to go from Los Angeles to Washington DC. They’re like I bought a ticket to go from LA to DC. I don’t know what I’m gonna do when I get there. I don’t know how to you know, there’s a whole environmental movement that happened a couple years ago where people went out there, but once you bought the ticket, people are more likely to be on board and I’m not Use your savings to buy that ticket. But if you don’t take that first action step, people don’t believe you’re, you’re really going to do it. But once you take that step, that leap of faith, people feel like, wow, this person’s committed, what can I do to help them? So I think, give people opportunity to help you. But it starts with what’s your action step? And I tell people all the time do Kickstarter do Indiegogo do don’t fund me, again, you may only raise 2000. That’s 2000 more than you started. But what’s gonna happen is you’re now putting it out to everybody. You know, this is what I care about. This is my passion. And now, that person that’s your friend for five years, who is going to be able to donate, but their friends friends friend has XYZ that you need to help with your project. Will you just why do we need money? We need money to move things along. Right? It’s a currency, right? Right. It’s right, it’s water. So if you if you have the raft, you go out to the water and you know how to swim. It’s important. You know how to swim, swimming lessons, then get out there and be with other persons cool. They’re there after swimming. But what are they swimming for? Like I remember years ago to get friend, she had to do a walk from LA to Washington, DC to raise awareness about a bunch of issues. And I said, Okay, that’s good. Are you serious that I want to do is about children’s issues or health issues. Next thing you knew my friend Peter Samuelsson, I tell him about, he said, He’s trying to raise awareness about homeless issues. He said, Well, can he push this portable homeless cart at his organization? He darn EDR everyone deserves a roof as part of my job is to help push it. Next thing in the process is the owner the Philadelphia Eagles. Jeffrey Lurie. Yeah, here, we got Jeffrey Lurie on board and Phil are the Eagles doctors, we’re going to be her personal doctors on our wall. Wow. And it all became real. And then she’s like, wow, am I really going to do this. And obviously her family got scared. She and in the end, she ended up deciding to go to the grad school route versus the walk across the country for a few months. But for her, she needed to know people believed in her. And, and she’s this amazing activist. And sometimes what you need is not what you believe to happen to happen. You need to know people believe in you. I think for her, she was in tears. She’s like, Peter got Whoopi Goldberg on board. He said, Well, we’re doing this event in Philadelphia, why don’t you instead of kicking off in LA kick off in Philadelphia. And then let’s have Whoopi Goldberg announced your walk, and you start in Philadelphia. And she was like I said, you have Whoopi Goldberg, you have the Philadelphia Eagles owner and their doctors on board. You don’t need to raise $5,000 or $10,000. You raise awareness. And through that awareness, you’re gonna be able to raise a bunch of money.

And you’re gonna raise so much awareness for these causes. So I just tell people, let everybody in your circle know what you’re doing. Right? And if they feel like it’s authentic and genuine, don’t you know this rant like doors, open doors always.

Brandon Handley 28:11
It’s so true, right? Just like you’re saying, as soon as and as soon as you take that first action, like you’re talking about take that first. That leap of face is like, I call it like the signal to the universe, like, Alright, I’m doing this thing. Or like the fallback thing, I’m gonna need you to catch me, right, like I’m taking, I’m putting this foot down, I’m gonna I’m gonna head in the direction that I told everybody I was gonna head in. I’m gonna need like universal backing, could I go ahead and get that and, and it shows up. And it shows up in such amazing and powerful ways. I mean, I still like kind of well up about I mean, even connecting with you and connecting with all the people that I’ve gotten to connect with on this podcast and all the other podcasts. It’s, it’s just so amazing. What will open up if you’re willing to, like you said earlier, open yourself up to it. Right? So absolutely.

Prabhat Gautam 29:06
All of these things. Yay. Right? Like we were newly friends, right? Friends forever now. And now it’s like who the amazing people that are going to be inspired by your podcast, but I’ll send you an email, Hey, bring that up. person’s cool. I’d love to connect with them. Yeah, and then vice versa, right. like Nike goes through me. Now Kiko is gonna hopefully tap you in his network about the book, but his conference in the next year when he does a live conference, you know, last year, he did a virtual one, but he does a live one. Well, I’m sure he’s gonna want you to be part of it. So it’s like, you just see that these are the beginning of relationships that are for your life. And again, we’re all in different cities, but it’s an the paradigm has shifted in such a profound way that we don’t need to be next door neighbors in the same block, but we can literally be anywhere in the world and communicate and connect people to want to Now that are in all these amazing things out and I mean, I, I really am just such a strong believer in when he said to the analogy of somebody falling backwards, fall backwards, it’s good to know at least one person will catch you. But all you need is one, if one will catch you, then that means there’s two, there’s 10, there’s 100. And there’s 100, people don’t catch you. You don’t need to fall backwards. Now you’re all moving forward together, you’re all running, you’re walking, you’re running your you know, walk, jog, run, and then now you’re the marathon. And now you’re raising all this awareness consciousness about all this dollies, right? Like, and I tell people all the time, I don’t care what your passion is, I really don’t like my passions. I don’t care what your passion is. Just figure it out, find it. If I can help you find a quicker, I want to be part of that. And a good friend years ago, she said, If you met somebody that want to be a hairdresser, you do everything to help her start her hairdressing salon. I said, Yes, I would. And I don’t have any desire to go to hairdresser. But I think if you see people’s passion, you want to help nurture that you want to be part of that. And, and to me, it all goes back to I in the world of business, right? They’ll say, Oh, you just introduction to this, will you get a cut of the deal? I want, I don’t want 10% of people’s joy. I want 1,000% of their joy like to know you help somebody find their passion and you’re part of it. You don’t need them to tell you that you don’t need plaques, just to see their life, see them excited to know you are part of that journey. And everybody they’re ever going to talk to you are part of that. And vice versa. They’re part of your joy. What’s that worth? That’s bazillions. Like that, that’s such a higher level value than any amount of money.

Brandon Handley 31:46
Now 100% you I mean, you can’t you can’t buy that, right. And it’s, it’s it’s a challenge to instill that in someone who doesn’t have it too. But even though it’s already there, right, you can see it for them. And like you want to help them to see that in themselves. Right? Like you’re talking about that light, getting them to explore it and maybe needing that encouragement like is that somebody says they want to be a hairdresser. You’re like, Yeah, let’s go right? Like, you all you need is just that little, I always think about like the tiny seeds in the in the cracks of cement and sidewalks, right? They there’s like nothing around them, which is about just the tiniest amount of nurturing, right? nutrients, it gets them to blossom and grow in that in that place, which you know, to me, it speaks to us as well, right? As humans, it’s just a little bit of encouragement to go do that thing you said you wanted to do. And I bring this up because some of my first podcast came about right, I had a coach and, and I told her I want to do a podcast and I was expecting I was expecting her to say, well, that’s a dumb idea you really shouldn’t deviate from from doing doing that. And instead, she’s like, Alright, well, what can I do to help? And I was like, What? Yeah, right, it’s just and that’s all you need is just a little bit of that type of encouragement to, to go and find and do the things that you love, but to have the support with other people with you. That’s, that’s, you know, that makes it tenfold and beyond. So the other piece that we were talking about before, we figured out our technical challenges today was the idea that, you know, you know, I think you seem to be in a pretty good spiritual place, you know, seem like you’re, you’re feeling pretty happy. You’ve got like, you know, your light that you shine to help other lights shine. But you talked a little bit about like a lot of these people that you help with these events that are sad. Right. And and let’s talk a little bit about that, since you brought it up earlier.

Prabhat Gautam 33:46
Yeah, so yeah, you know, years ago, you know, I met Andy dick, who’s, you know, pretty known for his drug and alcohol addiction, right? So we became friends. And then then we had, we had a gallery in Hollywood together. And I remember, you know, just seeing that world of fame, and how so many people like they want to seek that out, right? They want to, and like in any other ad, his brother dies, get a relapse and got back into drinking. And I remember when

I was like, 3am, one night, and I said, Ken is what your legacy to be. Because as far as we know, right? We’re all going to be gone one day, what’s your legacy? And he said, I want to prevent people from the hardships I had. I said, Andy, what does that look like? Is that a bug? Is that a toward you? When I speak to college kids, so they’ll never get it? He said, love to do that. I said, so you know, I’ll send them encouraging text still on that end. We got to that book, because he wants to help get people out of the pitfalls he got into. And I think so often in the world of celebrity, no, I I interviewed Jim Greenberg. He’s donated 40 40 million to charity. amazing person, right. And he’s always in a place of giving and high level celebrities, you know. And what you realize is people think they want to have these people’s lives and they miss that. Jim is talks about when you’re a philanthropist, he said, every day of my life, people are pitching projects that they need funding for. And I have to think, who do I find them utilized often, and whoever I don’t find, they may not be able to get the help they need. And he said, I only have limited resources, no matter how much money I have, I still can’t find everything you said the majority of his time is on the phone with other donors trying to get them to help fund projects. So you know, he figured out the areas he wants to focus on, he tries to encourage more people as they’re growing their wealth to give the money away. And I think we look at it from an outside like, oh, when you’re famous, or when you’re rich, your life’s gonna be easy. And you’re cater to one of the people misses. There’s a loneliness a lot of people with wealth and fame have. And there’s also this world where, when people come to them, they always need something. And so, you know, I remember when when Jim moved into his house in Los Angeles, the first week he moved in, I brought I brought over Amy’s soups, who are on his, I said, Jim, you’re worse cook than me, I want you to have easy since he does warm a lot, you know, and I’ve been vegan since 1999. He’s vegan plant based, now for a while. So I’d say these are easy soups, you throw them in the, you know, you heat them up on the stovetop, that’s good. And, and I said, he doesn’t need me to bring him soup. He’s a super wealthy person. But I said, we’re legitimately friends, I would do that for any friend, whether they have $1 or a million dollars. And and I think we just got to be in a place of, of not having this idol worship. And I think you know, what I love about what you’re doing your podcast, Brandon is, it’s, it’s making spirituality real for people. Because I think too often, they think the pastor is amazing at their church, they think the spiritual teacher of this yoga practice is amazing. Well, what happens to that person is a scandal, which they do. So when the person you look up to is flawed? Do you throw out your whole spiritual practice? Because they’re a flawed individual? Or do you say, okay, they were trying to teach something good, but they themselves didn’t even get the fullness of what the lesson is. So I think, you know, I think I said to a good friend recently, these are systems, religion is a system, right? These spiritual practices systems, that people can be bound within the system. And there’s a group of people who see outside of the system, and the system can still help heal, you can help you grow. I say all the time. If somebody has a drug addiction, alcohol addiction, they’ve been through a lot of trauma. I want them to find organized religion, if that’s going to help them do it. I think there’s deeper beyond that. And maybe I’m wrong, but I think there is. So I think whatever you need to break, whatever is holding you back and do that. But ultimately, I want people to find just, I think there’s a direct pathway for people, when when you find good people find them. When you find encouragement, buying them. However, people want to describe these things, energy, God, whatever, you know, atheist, it’s like it’s love. It’s goodness, I think it’s inconsequential. The the labels we put on stuff is me coming from a cultural anthropology background, there’s different words for everything. There’s cultures, they have no word for snow, so to snow, because it is the smell of those those communities. So snow exists, the fact that they don’t have a word for it doesn’t mean that they’re lesser or they’re devoid of smell, you know, I think we get so caught up in the semantics, the word the word games, and, and people are so busy trying to convert to their one segment of their view. Or really, I think the real work is encourage people to find what is working for them, be loving, be nurturing. And if they’re in a path, you don’t like that they’re on delay, they’ll find their way. And I think there’s, I think there’s an element of people, where there’s a missionary element where they want to convert everybody to the one practice. But what happens when you grow your practice, you brought all these people to practice that doesn’t even work for you anymore. So instead of trying to bring them to your practice, tell them what works for you. Be honest about it. Tell them any sort of issues you ever had in your journey. And be honest about it. And then if they find this in practice, great if they don’t, you being honest, is so genuine. You know, I think for me, for me being vegan for 21 years, I tell people that there’s some of those vegan cheeses, meats I didn’t like at the beginning. I don’t sell it as Oh, everything’s great here. I’m like, these are the things I like these are the things I didn’t like. This is why I liked it. And this is where, you know, my vegan role is improved. And I think a lot of people resonate with that more because it’s a real commentary on my journey. And I think the same thing for for you, Brandon, what are you talking about is you know, you’ve gone through the podcasts you revamped, you changed and stuff, you learn you, you didn’t wake up one day, and you’re the next year, Rogen, you woke up one day and started it, modified it live life, modified it live life modified it, where you’re at today, maybe different the reaction years from now, but where you’re at today is where you feel drawn to be at. So to me, that’s your journey, you’re supposed to be doing what you’re doing. Right? You see it, you feel it?

Brandon Handley 40:41
Yeah. And so it’s impossible not to. Yeah, right. Once you, once you once you, once you do be in the field that draw that pool into where you’re going, I always say to the, if I’m still talking the same talk, and saying the same things in 10 years, and something’s probably wrong, that I’m not learning, maybe, right. Like, I’m like, I always, you know, I throw that out there. And then I’m going back to kind of earlier in the conversation just in the in the whole idea of, if you don’t know how to do it, start doing it now. Right? Because you, it’s almost better that you don’t know anything, right? And you just start to do it and you start to do what feels right for you. I love I love what you’re saying about the whole idea of, you know, in this, you know, I was certainly you know, against here, initially, you know, kind of falling into the spirituality spaces like, Oh, you got to do this way you do that do this, this is this is the way, right and it’s not right. If that was my understanding of my path at that time, you have your very, very, very own path. And it’s up to me to encourage you to follow your path, share some of the practices, like you’re saying that that I have found that have worked for me, and they’re called practices for a reason, right? Because I’m practicing them and I’m practicing, you know, implementing them in my life. And maybe one day, I won’t use these same things anymore. And

Prabhat Gautam 42:11
then I remember when people talking to me about yoga, I was like, it’s just still I can’t do it. I’m like, I’m gonna fall asleep. But I had a good friend who she said to me, meditations, whatever you want it to be like, when you’re on a train, if you if you’re closing your eyes, you’re listening to music, and it gets you in a calm state, that’s your meditation. And really, it broke, for me the rigidness of it all. And I realized, like, we want people to find calm and peace within. And especially in a world of this hustle bustle you’re running around all day. So if you close your eyes to three times a day, and it’s calming you and you know, if you’re, when you’re in the shower, you close your eyes, or you just enjoy the water, or when you’re in the morning, right having a bowl of cereal or you’re like you’re having whatever you’re having. And you’re like watching, you know, YouTube videos, if your favorite singer, if it brings you joy, and it’s uplifting you, I always say my life philosophy is the Sheryl Crow song, if it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad. Because I think people should seek out what makes them happy. And then when they realize it’s empty, then you need to pivot. And be really honest with yourself, I tell people all the time that they want to be a loan and make as much money as they can make, go out and go on that path. And then when you find that it’s empty for you, you realize, okay, you need to make money to live, it’s good to have money. So you can, you know, take a trip you have as good as some savings. You know, that’s, that’s that’ll make your life easier. But this pursuit to be the richest, most famous, the most everything person is getting ended up where you’re not going to be that one day, you know, be the richest, prettiest, smartest, everything is famous this person. And then once you lose it, you’re like, well, who am I? And then you realize that’s a question should ask a lot, who am I and find that, and then let all the other things sort of take care of themselves. And I mean, one thing I definitely, you know, when I listen to your podcasts that stuck out to me that I was like, I got to talk to Brandon about this. Because either you’re it’s gonna resonate with me, or resonate with you? Well, we’re gonna have a really good debate. I hope for the latter, but I think it’s going to probably resonate is my critique of sort of this new world of spirituality, whatever the last 2025 years, is, it’s too much of a multi level marketing plan. You gotta sign up 10 friends, and they’re going to sign up to France, we’re all going to become really wealthy, and we’ll get a piece of it, which really, I think the way it should be is just to live your life, live your life, be who you are. And when that happens, you’re not going to sign up 10 friends, you’re gonna sign up one person is going to see what you’re doing. They’re gonna be inspired by it. They’re going to go find 1000 people, they’re going to find whoever and the reality is there is no Hey, you’re going to get a percentage. This is it. We’re not selling a product. We’re Trying to uplift generations to come. You’re trying to, you’re trying to create light in the world and created a positivity for generations, well beyond where our lives. So if that happens, there’s no scorecard, like, you know, if you’re inspirational, you know, when people reach out to you, right? And they tell you, oh, your podcast inspired me. Oh, for me, I got the word people like, here, that was so amazing. I got to meet some of the most amazing people. But people have said to me, they’re like, because, again, my events, I, during events, all if I think, oh, wow, this person’s here, that person’s there, they need to know each other. So all of you in person introductions, I’ll say, this is why I think you need all the email introductions of people person, any person via this, why I think you guys should meet each other. But when you know, they end up creating amazing, wonderful projects together. Do you get that inspiration in you? So I think sort of my critique of sort of this

new spiritual world or last 30 years of spirituality or what’s presented is there’s I do think people, there’s nothing wrong with selling products, making money, doing coaching, all that stuff’s good. Like, I think it’s we need people to like to live in their their spirituality every day of their life. But I think when it ends up being, well, you got to be happy every second of the day. No, you shouldn’t be if somebody close to us passed away, and you feel no sadness. I question your real journey. You should feel sad, when somebody close to you says, they just went through a breakup or they were in a domestic violence relationship. Your reaction should be how do I help you? Oh, I feel terrible for you. Have you gone to counseling? Do you need a place to stay? What are actionable steps to help you? And you should, you should feel their sadness? And again, you know, in that moment, maybe you’re not crying, but you’re figuring out action steps. But I think real humans are not happy 24 hours a day, real humans? You know, question? Am I doing what’s right? I think checking in with yourself is so important and saying yourself, Is this the right thing for me to do? And something that you did for I remember, I was in college, and University of Oklahoma, I did a cable television show for four years. And it was so much of my identity. And one day, I was like, This feels like work to me, I’m not enjoying it anymore. What do you think what changed is because I knew I was going to leave college, I needed to leave to start my life somewhere else. And no, it’s Los Angeles in 1998 99. I just knew I was gonna leave. And I think you start preparing yourself. And again, this many years later, I’ve been involved by documentaries. So that television world has been part of my life. But it needed to change I needed to leave. You know, it’s always like, you got to close some doors to open new ones. And one of my philosophies that I’m obsessed with is, is is owning the word quitting. You have to quit relationships, it to quit jobs, you have to quit things that are not the most fulfilling thing for you with the belief that something more fulfilling is going to happen. And I think so often people leave relationships, when they meet the next person, they quit a job because they found the next job. It’s like, one of the best things ever did is I started working part time at a job I was in for four years, because I knew I was ready to leave. And that allowed me to transition into all the advanced stuff that I’ve gotten into. So I think preparing yourself without fully knowing what the next thing is, and taking that step in like freeing up the time thing that’s so important

Brandon Handley 48:41
that I think that we’re doing something right being okay to let go being okay to let go of that thing. Because you know, it’s no longer fulfilling and knowing that and hoping or at least, it at least shot the thing that’s no longer fulfilling, right? Just drop that like it, just go do something else, there’s, there’s going to be something else that that will take that space for you. Right energetically or whatever. And, you know, to your point I want to I will definitely want to jump in on the the the spiritual MLM spray and the idea. Listen, when I first you know, I don’t know, when I first started podcasting, I always say that I started for the wrong reason. It was like that, right? I started it for the wrong reasons. But as I grew and evolved or you know, change whatever happened throughout that podcast, I would say that, you know, I did the right things for the wrong reasons. But through that time, like my heart, you know, I was like myself to the Grinch. My heart grew two sizes too big to the process. Yeah. And you know, I just really understood more about what it was that I was trying to give. I understood more about the idea that, you know, I want to just give this freely as I can for right now because if I do it, and I attach what it is I’m doing to you Kind of for monetary gain, or at least, you know, monetary gain in the sense that it has to be done. There’s desperation behind that feeling right. And I couldn’t just do it naturally and just be like, this is this is what’s really coming through me now. And and there is no. And people like, you know, kind of what’s your endgame was like, I don’t know, this is this is just what I’m doing right now. And I’m connecting with amazing people. And I’m getting to hear amazing stories from other people. And it’s my hope that there’s somebody else out there that, you know, the next robot is the provocateurs listening today, right, that says, hey, you know what, I want to get involved in the communities the way that you have, I want to, I want to, you know, find my way forward the way that you you have, and then that person is inspired right to follow similar footsteps, right for themselves, but like, be led by you to that place. And just by virtue, you and I are having a conversation, and it’s possible, and that’s why I love to do what I do.

Prabhat Gautam 51:02
So beautiful. I think what you said is, is the reality of like, like, it’s all a journey for everybody. And, and at the time, you knew you needed to get in this work. I think there is a thing, okay, well, there’s production cost, there’s gonna take time, right, early podcast, I mean, you’re buying super expensive microphone, like all that stuff. It’s like, well, I’m putting money out well, how can I make that money back? And I think in you know, and it really is that whole world where people tell you like what we do this? Well, you gotta like really an easy more ad based needs to be destiny, like everybody transit advice, and 99% of the people I tell you their advice, they’re not making money off what they’re getting advice for. Like, it’s, it’s I almost feel like it’s a world full of single and recently divorced people giving dating advice, like, it’s what do we do? Like, we need, like, I want to talk to the person who’s been happily married for 30 years, about the struggles they’ve had off and on for the 30 years, but they’re like, every day I wake up, and no, there’s no other person I want to be with and this person. And during that day, that maybe a few minutes were like, there’s no this person I don’t want to see in the next five minutes. But then they go back to there’s no other person on the view, like the reality of what their journey is. I think that’s just a beautiful real thing. But I just think so much of the spiritual MLM world is oh my gosh, do this do this. Like my friends friends cousins, friend made $10 million off of an insight can meet your friends, friends, cousins, friend, because so often these are like their their stories that are just to get more people signed up. And it’s sort of the carrot. It’s like, if you have really good water, let me try the water because I want we all want good water. Yeah. To this great plains, ever, it is like detergent, that’s chemical free. Let me try it. Like, like, I have friends for years, like, well, you should get in a world of where you sign people up. I’m like, No, if I like it, I’m gonna buy it, I’m gonna give it to my friends that they want to buy and get if they don’t, that’s fine. Like, just give me good stuff that you think’s gonna, like, uplift my life. And then you guys can sign them all up under you. But I’m and I their friends for years, they’re like, Oh, we have such a great network, you’re the perfect person to be in whatever it is like real estate or sales or like, you know, you can, there’s so much money, you can move here, they’re like, I don’t have any, I want to move money into making a difference. That’s what I want to do. That’s, to me, I’ve been able to do that in the charity space. So it’s like, that’s what I want my life to be. And if other people meet these amazing people at events that I do, and they can figure out how to monetize it will get and when you monetize it, hopefully you remember where you met them, and then give some of that money to the charity. That was the event that you had. And if you don’t do well, hopefully you have a really good life and you’re happy and he raised amazing kids like I look at it as I this don’t fixate on what are your treasures before your, your buried, I look at your treasures are with the people that you interact with every day. And in the end. The goal is, you know, I mean, I just tell people, right, your goals at your funeral to have all these lives that got changed. I remember a lady I met Jeanette the boss when I was in college, and she told me this amazing story. Jeanette was probably in her 60s, she was the cable station that I did my white college cable show up and she said when her mother passed away, so many people came up to her at the funeral and said, you know, your mom helped us this time. You know, your mom, let us stay at our house. You know your mom, we struggle financially. She did this. She’s like, I didn’t know my mom did 10% of that stuff. My mom is so much more incredible person I realized. And she in Jeanette was amazing, incredible person. But it’s like you see you see that? What she was like and that’s like that’s what you should want your funeral to be where everybody’s like, wow, Brandon’s amazing. He did all this stuff. And you know, when he was He was doing stuff when there was no parade, you know, own didn’t do a show around. Before he was big, he was helping people. And then he got big and he’s big time he wouldn’t return your calls. But that’s

Brandon Handley 55:12
what a jerk. What a jerk.

Prabhat Gautam 55:14
Always be there for people. But I think it’s like, it’s who you are them I say like who you are when nobody’s looking? Right? That’s your character.

Brandon Handley 55:22
Right. Rob real quick, what, you know, how did you know that this was the path for you? Like, where was like, where did it like dawned on you that like, this was your heart song that this was what you needed to do for the rest of your life? Up until now, at least.

Prabhat Gautam 55:40
So I would say you always like I think when you’re a kid, and you just want to help kids in school, or there’s just something in you that just says a helper spirit, like you feel it that I think, really what all happened was from 1993 to 2001. That eight years was my journey. So my father died of a heart attack when I was 16. And that’s a big experience for a child. And then, you know, a few years later is in Oklahoma, Oklahoma City bombing happened. That’s a hugely traumatic event. They started thinking through Okay, now I want to help I want to give back, how do I help make the world better. And then in the year 2001, that’s working for a startup in 99,000. in debt, making really good amount of money as a 2423 24 year old, I moved out to Los Angeles to create positive television. And then that next year, I became a bone marrow donor and the girl that was a donor for Anka, I tell him all the time, I met President Obama, I met all these celebrities and billionaires. But being a donor, nothing compares. That’s the greatest experience of my life. And so I was her bone marrow, her bone marrow donor, October 3 2001. And then a year and a month later, she passes away. I’m devastated because I’m like this child, I was supposed to give her my at her wedding, I was supposed to see her have kids, like, I written out a story of how the stranger was going to be like my adopted daughter is, you know, she was a stranger, I didn’t know her, like, you know, I sign up to the national marrow donor registry, and mdp.org where people could sign up. And it’s the greatest gift I ever got to be her donor. And then, you know, that really took me on this trajectory where I was like, I have to be, because I think, you know, when you’re 2324, you’re making a lot of money. It’s easy to get caught up in distraction. And I think what happened was, you know, I was in I lucked out, I was in New York on 911, fly back from New York to LA on 911. So having all that sort of tragedy in my life, from 93, to 2002, just kept me on this path, where I didn’t get detour and I didn’t get into drugs and alcohol, like I, you know, I was dating 1000 people, you know, to one committed relationship. It’s like, you know, I think, you know, you meet somebody breakout, you meet somebody new, but I was on this, like, I think, for me, all the tragedy just kept me super hyper focused. And it kept me optimistic, because for sure you feel sadness after tragedy. But it also, what I learned is, after every major tragedy, people step up after 911, after Oakland City Bombing, after my father’s passing after anchors, passing, you see families, community all show up for people. And then my question is still to this day, why don’t we do that all the time? Why does it take tragedy? Right? I’m sure you know, you’ve been in funerals, even lost loved ones. When that happens, we feel like how will Why don’t I connect with these people? Well, this person was going through a tough time, why didn’t I know about it? And I said, Well, how can we be more present one of the best documentaries, I recommend all your listeners to watch, it’s called the bridge. And it’s about how the Golden Gate Bridge is the leading place for suicide in the US. And this was probably 10 years ago, 24 people a year, we would jump off the bridge, and they had cameras set up. And anytime somebody had to jump off, they would send people in to try to stop them. And one guy was jumping, and he ends up surviving, so you get to hear his story. But in that I was like, and one of the people tells the story of like, you know, when he jumped, he did end up jumping in the end. Luckily, surviving that tourists didn’t even realize that he was depressed and suicidal. And it really got me to a place where it’s like, I want to be present with people. If you see somebody crying filter and say, you know, are you okay? Is there anything I can do for you? Can I, you know, get you a coffee. If you see somebody that looks shaken like check on people, they say I think we’re our natural instinct is to be caretakers to check on people. And then people will tell you, I will don’t check on those people that could endanger you. They could be a massive setup to get you killed somehow. I just don’t think that’s, that’s one 1,000,000,000th of 1% of the time those things happen. Just be present for people because when you’re present, that person needed to know so Nobody cared. Like, I remember I was in a train in Los Angeles, there’s a woman who, you know, some guy was bothering or you heard upstairs, she comes downstairs, I’m like, Do you need anything? Are you okay? You know, do you need me to call the police? And she said, Oh, no, somebody else did that. And I was like, Okay, I’m gonna be here near you, if you need me on here. And I thought, Okay, well, those are words, that sounds good. But what if he really comes back downstairs and tries assaulter? What is on here for you really need? Does that mean? I’m going to go fleeing or I’m really going to like be the gap The, the boundary between her this person. And I made sure like, I watched her and I made sure she on the train, she was going a different direction, and I was going, and the guy luckily never came downstairs. But I think if he did, I think once I told her, I’m here for you, I have an obligation to be there. And if he kills her, then he needs to kill me too. Because if I said, I’m gonna be here, I have to be here. And so for me, I feel like, you know, there’s that whole thing of like, Who is your brother? Who is your neighbor? Who’s your sister? Who’s your daughter? Are these people your blood tie to you? Are the people that you regionally now? Or is it every person in humanity? So I think we all determine that for ourselves. And then once you make that determination, I just think you you view people differently, and you view people to view everybody is connected to you, then you realize, both the person hurting, that’s trying to hurt this woman is connected to you, and both this woman that is potentially dangerous connected you. So your job is to be loving, as loving as you can be in those moments. Agreed?

Brandon Handley 1:01:39
I think that the the idea, I mean was, you know, love, love thy neighbor as yourself or something like that, right? I mean, yeah, it and once you kind of understand what that means. And you start to apply that and other places, it takes on a whole different level of kind of compassion, like you’re talking about, like you’re saying, we’re all connected, and how do you how do you show up? Or more in that way? Right? How do you how do you make sure you’re showing up in that way? Alright, quick one for you for so, you know, I’ve come to believe that this is kind of like a spiritual speed dating show, right? Where now like, you know, somebody tune in to like, you know, I’m looking for my next spiritual date. And so I’ve got a question for you. That is from our spiritual speed dating, question pool. And it’s going to be what is the greatest quality humans possess?

Prabhat Gautam 1:02:39
Oh, that’s a great question. I mean, I think it’s the greatest quality humans possess is love for those that they have no direct connection or benefit from, I think, when given an opportunity, and people can be of help, and they believe their help, will legitimately help. They will step up. I think we see it every day. We see it all the time. I think they just they just have they have to know that the canal is I think when it’s like, oh, well, there’s homelessness is a problem. How do I help? But it’s everybody’s like, your friend needs a place to crash for a few weeks to get on their feet, like, well, I’m gonna make space for you. Thank you think it’s so that’s what I’d say.

Brandon Handley 1:03:26
I think that’s awesome. Right? And I mean, that’s what you’re doing right? With your with your kind of like, what’s your life? And I think that that’s, I think that that’s really cool. Because there’s, there’s not that many people willing to do that all of the time. And that is something that i think that i think that that’s one of the things that I admire about you and your story, right, you’re always giving and you’re doing it in a way where you don’t expect to return you’re doing it for the love of what it is that you do. And I think that that’s that’s very, you know, it’s it’s really cool to be able to see that provides, where should I send people to come find out more about you.

Prabhat Gautam 1:04:05
So they can get a positive television.org. And they can see all the content that we put out. And then I tell people all the time, I’m not a social media person, so call me, I’m gonna give them my number. Because I’m still old school. I love human to human. So if you’re working on an amazing project, or you just are like, hey, I want to be of service. I want to do this to help people. One of my favorite things to do I tell me all the time, it’s like talking to somebody who has an AI world changing idea, a community changing idea, or personal life changing idea, I’d love to talk to him, then connect them to a redneck come to so I’ll give you my numbers 310-872-0669 that’s 310-872-0669 Feel free to text me or call me and and I always try to be honest with people. It may not be a project that I can help you with or maybe I don’t know the pieces, but if I don’t know that He says, I’m going to try to help you figure out what are the pieces to get you a step further, because I want every single person to be closer to what? They’re, they’re passionate. So if I can get you a step further great, if nothing else, I get to meet another great person in the world. So I’m happy to take that call.

Brandon Handley 1:05:17
Awesome. Thanks so much for being on here today.

Prabhat Gautam 1:05:20
Thank you, Brandon. I look i get i want to say I love a spiritual joke is about Everybody, please encourage your friends to, to follow by and share and then also tell people to listen to the episodes that inspire and inspire you guys because if you love an episode, that episode, if it resonates with you, that it’s gonna resonate with your friends. And you know, don’t just send them the Hey, just go check it out, send them to a specific episode that really inspired you because we need to get people on this journey to find you know, their own personal healing so they can help heal the world.

Brandon Handley 1:05:53
I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

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Shianne Doucette Spiritual Dope Podcast

Big thanks to Shianne for joining us in this shorter than average episode, there is a lot packed into this one and I know that you will enjoy it!

Please connect with Shianne over at https://www.shiannedoucette.com/

Brandon Handley 0:40
4321 Hey there podcasters How’s everybody doing? Today, we’ve got cyan to set on with us today. she communicates with light energy by allowing source energy to flow through her surpassing energy. surpassing society’s definition of a psychic medium, her approach is to show others that they too can access their own souls connection to source energy for healing of self and humanity. Her work is ongoing in the field of soul energy awareness and human of Oh, Lucian Sam, what’s going on? Thanks for joining us say hi. Thanks, Randy. So, um, you know, I usually like to start us off with the whole idea that we are right, we’re connected with Source Energy all the time, and that, you know, the divine speaks through us. And the idea that there’s going to be somebody who’s listening in today, that is only going to get like this message for them through you. What is that message today? So, I

Shianne Doucette 1:48
it’s funny, I had something planned to say that in when you’re asking this question, but source has a funny sense of humor, I actually have a message for someone very specific. And you’ll know who you are. I have a gentleman coming through who would have been in the 70s work with either Time Magazine, or Life magazine, really amazing photographer using old school, school photography. She was well traveled kind of looked like a Robert Redford back in the day, you’ll use very specific, he was given a lot of awards for his photography, specifically one watch. That is like, you see those big faith watches that everybody kind of wants to have now, he had one of those before they were popular. And it was I feel like it was an award. There’s also a map in the home where he would have raised his family that had like pin marks on the map of all the places that he travel. There’s also a connection to the next generation, somebody does something with satellite. So I am going through this really fast because it’s just kind of like coming in really quick. There’s something about code named snowflake, I don’t know what that means. It’ll mean something to somebody. It’s, I don’t feel like it’s a spy COVID snowflake, I think it’s like a family member member that it was a joke that it was like a snowflake would be the nickname for somebody. But there is a connection to someone in this generation that works with the satellites. So I flew through that really quick. What I was going to say is that my my message that I would give to someone out there and I think that this might actually be connected to that person. I feel like this could be this person’s grandson. It may not be the person listening the grandson, but it might be someone in the family who would know who the grandson was. No one ever loses their divinity no matter what they’ve gone through. So even if you hit rock bottom bottom, done some terrible things, or have had terrible things happen to you. You never lose your divinity, your connection to your soul. And also that connection to the higher, higher higher source of all, it’s always there for us. Just waiting. So

Brandon Handley 4:34
I hope I didn’t rattle this cool, right? Like semi it’s interesting, right? So you’ve got this idea of this person that you’re talking to specifically, whether it’s that person from the 70s with the watch or not, or that person is grandson or grandchild.

Unknown Speaker 4:52
Yeah. That person from the 70s would definitely be on the other side. I can feel him very strongly with me so

Brandon Handley 4:59
that that meant is coming through you from him to like the grandchild, right? Yeah. So and what I like, what you’re saying here too is even though maybe you’ve done terrible things, or terrible things have happened to you. One of the things that I’ve done in the past, you know, this year was to like, an email journey, right? spiritual journey of just kind of like, we’ll just call it spiritual potpourri. Right? And one of the things that I landed on was the idea of these saints, you know, that were sinners before they turn into saints, right? So I mean, to what you’re saying to even if they’ve even if you’ve done some things that you would you that that person, you were isn’t the person that you are. And that’s what I think a lot of people let that let that shame hold them down or keep them away from, like, you’re saying that divinity that’s always available to you and always within you is that, you know, kind of what you’re saying there though, right? Yes. So that’s sweet. I love that. Yeah. So give us give us a little background, like, where are you? Where are you working? What are you doing? You know, what do you what do you want to hit on today?

Unknown Speaker 6:10
Well, I’ve been been got it too, to do some videos on just sharing the some of the guided meditations I do with, with some one on one clients. And then also some of the ones I do in group reading that public events. Just really strong push to share that because it’s there for everybody. I find when I am doing a reading, there’s just a strong message that everybody has access to this, this wonderful connection that is that is I see it as the soul. And that when we, you know, be here on Earth, there’s so much going on, especially right now, there is a lot of healing going on. But there’s a lot of gunk kind of coming up to be released. And then we’re all in the middle of it. So yeah, those videos I hope to have out in the next six months, and they’re going to be available for everybody. I’ve also written a book, I’m Fingers crossed, getting that out there soon. And yeah, I kind of pull back a little bit on the one on one readings, just because I need a little break right now. We’ve got some family stuff going on with a member of our family not doing too well. So just kind of balancing the self care in there, too.

Brandon Handley 7:40
That’s important, that’s really important that you everybody always refers to the airplane, you know, mask, right? The mask falls down. First things first do is take a little bit for yourself, and you make sure that you stay alive so that you can help somebody else survive. So how, you know, what’s, what’s the title of the book? And what’s that going to be about?

Unknown Speaker 8:04
The book title is a small glimpse of everything. And it was kind of came to me because that’s what I see why I didn’t always clearly see a soul and I did a reading. I felt it kind of had an awareness of it. The more I tested my energy, the more I opened up to the connection that I had, personally, I was able to see it in others and just have this awareness of this all of this connection that we have. And actually Well, the way it works for me is it’s almost like a video or an audio projector overtop of someone like if I was reading you right now. And I think we talked about that, when it’s just this beautiful light ribbon of life that comes down through and it’s safer for everyone and different. Just like almost like a rainbow or have a fingerprint combined. And two, I call it a small glimpse of everything’s, it’s kind of like a small glimpse of the universe. So that’s, that’s, and it starts with my story of how I started working with energy. Some of the weird things that happened to me growing up and how I pushed it aside, and then leading up to some of the stories that I have permission to share from some really incredible people who’ve had some life changing moments in readings. So that’s that’s what the books about.

Brandon Handley 9:35
That’s great. So what what what got you into it right, what got you into this energy work? And how did you find yourself in this space? And you know, how have you been able to move it forward for the benefit of yourself and others?

Unknown Speaker 9:50
Well, it started out quite randomly with a theme. I think the universe was pushing me I mean, I think that there’s some things that you just kind of can’t turn or turn away from, and then you, you get the choice of whether you want to go all the way. I just, you know, like first was a yoga class where the teacher I thought I was going to like go to like an aerobics class where, you know, less less work and more results. She started talking about fan scripts and, and connections to this whole other ideas that I never experienced, because this would have been back in the early 2000s. And you know, I’m in a little small city we really hadn’t, it wasn’t really something I was exposed to very much.

Unknown Speaker 10:42
And then

Unknown Speaker 10:44
after that, it was just the learn, more and more things are opening up. And then I was getting massage treatment from someone. And she had a brochure on in our work area, talking about this thing called oneness, which was out of India and I went, and it was crazy. The force of energy that I felt, and I think that was kind of like the door opening was like, wow, we are so much more than I thought we were there’s much more than trying to you know, climb the corporate ladder, there’s much more than getting the great car and having the nice house and it it kind of like poke the hole in the whole idea that I was searching for something always outside of me. And here it was inside. And that’s that’s what it started with. And just learning to work with energy starting off there and being drawn to different modalities and just got like a real hunger to learn everything there was about energy

Brandon Handley 11:52
work. Yeah, that’s I mean, that seems to be the my wife, my wife hates the line, like the process, right. But that seems to be kind of the process, the process seems to be kind of the idea of finding this more than your sense of self. And I think that in, when you thought about for the podcasts, you’d put in there, the idea that everyone has the soul, and it’s their choice to use it. Which I wish I can agree with. But I think the challenge is to identify that that situation, right? And then, and then accepting that that’s true, right? And then it’s when you get to that point, that you realize that everyone has a soul and it’s your choice to use it. That’s when that’s when you make that choice. Right? is out. And so it sounds to me like that. So that happened to you, when you were in India, you is that you went out?

Unknown Speaker 12:48
No, it was a woman who brought the teachings event from India back during that, like that was my first real experience with energy work. And then she taught a workshop on how to how to do that. And it took off and then there was Reiki and so

Brandon Handley 13:05
that’s the other piece though not to talk over you but like the other pieces, right? So now they want you to decide to use the soul. She views like that is just like this. There’s like this black pit of knowledge desire, like to learn more about it and you know, get closer to it and be a part of it, and then share it out with everybody is that kind of been what your journey has been like?

Unknown Speaker 13:29
Yeah, and honestly, I mean, I get it so asked backwards, and I fell down on her so many times, because when I saw this, like, you know, experiences working with energy, and then it was like, wow, I want to learn how to do this, I want to learn how to also share it with someone else. So that energy is going through me. And at the same time was was not connecting to my own self and using that and harnessing that. And it was a journey to learn that part of it and to trust that part of it. And the funny thing is, is that when you start going along and you’re you’ve got these ups and downs and you’re, you’re learning how to work with your own energy and you’re seeing the miracle of it working on someone else. There’s almost like the swelling, you know, they talk about the present moment. There’s this calmness that comes in. It’s almost like this. The Iraqi answers this calm feeling that comes in it’s like, man, I don’t get in this lifetime. So what are the nice final one after that? So it’s it’s kind of hilarious being a human being down here when you really think about it. So

Brandon Handley 14:41
yeah, our time is, is is so seemingly finite. But uh, you know, the idea is really that we are eternal, right? And here we are. We’re like grasping, kicking and clawing to do everything that we can with this seemingly limited amount of time and it’s really just I don’t know if you’re watching Old 80s movie, the gods must be crazy, right? Is just just just, that’s what it really kind of boils down to the gods must be crazy because here we are running around like crazy. And for what? To what? And so Cheyenne, I know usually there’s a little bit more time for us but like so I’ve got a couple questions I’d like to ask on towards the back end here. And almost like a spiritual speed dating thing that you and I talked about. And just so everybody knows real quick here, like Cheyenne did an awesome reading on me, had a great time. And really, you know, you do the medium work in general, you’re not doing the one on one so much right now because of family stuff. But like, it was great like, and it’s it was an It was a great experience. And I don’t think that this is my second medium reading from a different person. But it was a little bit different. And it helps you in different ways. And so I appreciate what you did for me, and I thought I thought it was really excellent. So as as I’m getting on to this next question for you, though, I just I just thought it would tell people to reach out to you because it’s a it’s a great experience. So either the coursework, or just trying to get a hold of Cheyenne to see what’s up. I highly recommend it. So I’m only gonna have time for one quick question is a spiritual speed dating. When is war justifiable? It’s an easy one, right?

Unknown Speaker 16:25
So from a higher perspective, I’ve asked this question myself, so I’m going to give you the higher perspective that they gave me because to me, it’s never, it never made any sense. But then at the other side of it, it’s like, but what if they have this and they’re taking the rights away from these people, and then we go with. So I was explained it this way that there is nothing here to find a boat, but we’ll always find something to fight about, until we connect to that, which we are until we start remembering what we really are. So we’re always going to find a justification for war until we all evolve. I hope that makes sense. Do you want more clarification on that?

Brandon Handley 17:13
Also, so in the idea of evolution, I think that that’s the challenge, right? We’re, we are constantly seeking to be more, because I’d like so we’re looking to evolve. But what is there to evolve? What really needs to evolve is the understanding of who we already are. Right?

Unknown Speaker 17:33
Yeah. And I think you’re, we’re, if you look at it, again, I mean, I always ask to see the higher perspective, even though my human brain can always make total sense of it. When I say evolve, I mean, involving the human experience, because again, there’s a piece of each you like, what I do, when I ask to see the higher perspective, it’s almost like that little cores in every living thing, and also connected to that, but like, like, almost like meridian lines, that that anything here alive or even beyond that. wouldn’t be here, if it wasn’t connected to that source energy. And it’s almost like we’ve been coming. There’s like a separation from source energy. And as it’s coming back with that source energy remembers, and the experiences that we have here, coming in with that memory of what we are. So we’ve always been evolving as humans and from what my understanding is, this is not the first time it’s been done in so many different ways. When you get into like the quantum of it, like it’s mind blowing. So really, it’s again, it’s that stepping back and realizing Well, for this year, having a human experience is nothing here is real, what are we so worried about? But at the same time, when you bring in that soul connection, there is that piece in that memory and when you you know when you’re connected, because and if it’s only for a few seconds, I mean, you take this takes, there are people out there who get this and they’ve got it 24 hours and I mean, I might have it for during a reading because I’ve meditated for like a good half an hour an hour beforehand. And I’ve put the ego aside the inner child aside, but still, I mean, if I go out in the traffic and somebody you know, cuts me off, there I go again, I’m human, and I’m kind of pulled away from the soul self. So yeah, so as a as a as having a human experience. Without the soul connection. You’re always going to find a justification for fighting for arguing because you’re constantly suffering.

Brandon Handley 19:46
Now you’re right, that that means that makes 100% sense. So unfortunately, yeah, we don’t have a whole lot of time today and I do have to move on to the next piece. But so what you know, where’s your We send people to connect with you shine.

Unknown Speaker 20:04
You can follow me on Instagram. Cheyenne Doucet, you can follow me on Twitter. Again Cheyenne, Doucet Facebook page Cheyenne to set I think that’s the shine does that psychic medium. Also have a webpage try and do stuff. And again, watch the videos. I hope to be getting those out there soon for everything. Awesome.

Brandon Handley 20:23
Thank you so much for joining today. Thank you. It’s a pleasure, Brandon. Thanks a lot guys

Unknown Speaker 20:28
enjoyed this episode of the spiritual dove podcast. stay connected with us directly through spiritual dove co You can also join the discussion on Facebook, spiritual and Instagram and spiritual on discord go. If you would like to speak with us, send us an email to Brandon at spiritual dove Co. And as always, thank you for cultivating your mindset and creating a better reality. This includes the most thought provoking part of your day. Don’t forget to like and subscribe to stay fully up to date. Until next time week on your zone and trust your intuition

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The Rev. Dr. Marcia Ledford’s ministry is in Southwest Detroit’s Latinx population—an international port with an aggressive regional ICE director. Dr. Ledford is a civil rights attorney representing society’s most marginalized. An Episcopal priest, she holds a Master of Divinity from the Church Divinity School of the Pacific. She earned her Doctor of Ministry in political theology from Pacific School of Religion. Dr. Ledford founded Political Theology Matters, LLC, to help the faithful develop public theology mission and broadcast messaging for greater social justice. She is trained for community organizing through the Industrial Areas Foundation and volunteers with Michigan United.

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Brandon Handley 0:43
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Today I am on with the Reverend Dr. Marsha Ledford, who is a civil rights attorney representing society’s most marginalized. Her ministry is in southwest Detroit’s Latinx population and international port with an aggressive regional ice director. Yeah, I think I could what that is an Episcopal priest she holds a master of divinity from the church Divinity School on the Pacific of the Pacific. She earned her doctorate of ministry in political theology from Pacific School of religion. Dr. Ledford founded political theology matters, LLC to help the faithful develop public theology mission for greater social justice. Marsha teaches speaks and preaches about political theology and very forums. Marsha, so glad to have you here with us today. How are you?

Marcia 1:33
I’m good. And I’m delighted to be with you, Brandon. Thank

Brandon Handley 1:36
you. Absolutely. So I always like to start these off with this, this kind of idea that we’re we’re vessels for source creative energy, the divine right, as it were, and you know, as it is, you and I are having this conversation, but somebody on the other end is listening in and they’re gonna get a message that just, I don’t know, lights up that divine spark within them today that’s going to be delivered through you. What is that message today?

Marcia 2:06
That we can work for the greater good, even though it seems like our problems are super complex, because we can tap into our spirituality to empower us.

Brandon Handley 2:17
I love that right? The idea that I’m tapping into our spirituality, I think it’s um, and I’d love to get your perspective, especially as you said, you come from a marginalized population. Hmm. I feel I from my perspective, anyways, our spirituality is just vastly over neglected. Right. And we don’t look at it as this resource that can help propel us to this divine space. Right, right. So in this community that you’re serving, how do you? What are some of the tools or ways that you’re teaching them to tap into that source?

Marcia 3:00
Well, and it’s really not just a parochial ministry, my full time work is teaching everybody how to tap into our spirituality of resistance. So you know, it’s, like I said before, it seems like it’s super complicated, but in some respects, it’s not, we just have to do some inner work. And we have to join voice forces with others to do this work. So and I apologize, I kind of lost your question.

Brandon Handley 3:37
It’s quite alright, so the idea, right, so sorry, you know how so? Yes, connecting to that divine right, so that they can, yeah, leverage that source for themselves? So when you say do some inner work and join forces with some others? What’s that look like? Right?

Marcia 3:53
That’s a great question. And so Roger Gottlieb, who is a professor of philosophy, and is active in his Judah ism, wrote a book called The spiritual spirituality of resistance A few years ago, and his primary focuses on creation care, climate change us, you know, stopping that. But the techniques that he has written about I have really embraced. And essentially, there are two things. And when you when you do this, you can apply it to any issue that is important to you. So it’s not limited to climate change or anything else. So you do the inner work, you spend some time with yourself, do some reflection, take some take a course on meditation. Write down what’s important to you. That sounds like overly simplified but when you listen to the news every day, you know What really gets sticks under your craw, What makes you say to yourself, I’ve got to do something about this. And then incorporate that into your meditative practice and listing out things that concern you and that you want to work a list out your skills and abilities. Take a personality inventory, like Myers Briggs or something, doing a Nia Graham, there are lots of resources out there for you to do some of this inner work that I call it. And the other there’s another inventory type of inventory that you can do, which is conflict, like, what is your threshold for conflict? Because I get questions, sometimes people will say, Well, you know, I can’t be out on the front line of a protest, I am just super uncomfortable doing it, it’s not my thing. And my responses, you know, there are all kinds of activities that are required to pull off a protest, or to testify in front of a governmental body or start a ministry or whatever it may be. So there’s a place for all of us, we all have gifts that complement one another. Then the second part of doing spiritual resistance is finding a group of people that want to work on issues that are important to you, and bring those skills to the table. We’re so much more powerful in numbers. And we know when we know what we’re good at, and what’s important to us, that makes us even more powerful. And we can join forces with others who can do things that we can’t, and we can do things that they can’t. And we work together primarily, my recommendation is through community organizing, I think it’s the best way for a spirituality of resistance,

Brandon Handley 6:56
right? I think that, um, you know, normally with spiritual spirituality of resistance means it means

Marcia 7:08
two things happen to us, when we live in such a complex world, we either try to avoid what’s going on, or we try to deny it. So the spirituality of resistance, takes that head on, and says, I’m not going to avoid stuff, and I’m not going to deny that it’s happening, I’m going to lean into the needle as it were, which is a pretty nice analogy right now. Because even if you’re afraid of needles, you got to lean into that. That vaccination, in order that we get this pandemic wrestled to the ground once and for all. So you lean into that, which bothers you. When we avoid things, Gottlieb has this is his expression. And so I’m going to credit him, but he talks about how we have a tendency to put stuff that bothers us or we don’t like under the floorboards of our consciousness. Okay, so when we are going to stop avoiding things, we pull that stuff out from under the floorboards and we start dealing with it, and we name it, that’s a very important part of the spirituality of resistance. To name What is wrong, because as soon as you do that, you take a little bit of its power away. And then as you continue to work to eradicate whatever this wrong is, obviously, over time, it becomes even more disempowered. So that’s avoidance. That’s when like, pretending that stuff is not as bad as it is or that, you know, pretending it’s not there. And the other thing about avoiding stuff is it takes a lot of our energy that we could put into positive forces positive works. So when we spend a lot of time doing this, and pretending we’re wasting our energy and our gifts and talents, does that make sense?

Brandon Handley 9:17
It does make sense. So okay. And what I wrote down there tos is the idea of when we avoid these things, or deny them either way, we have an awareness of them. Yeah. Right. And it’s the idea of our brains being kind of like computer programs in the sense that if or I think other people refer to it as like, your browser having too many tabs open. Yeah, right. And so you’ve got all these tabs up, right? You’ve got all these tabs open and but like, I’m not gonna go back to that page. I’m not ready for it yet. So that tabs like sitting there, sucking up resources that like if you go back over to it, and if you label it as you’re saying It takes its power away. But it also says to that this, this has now been identified, right? You’ve categorized it, you’ve identified it. And now once it’s got a label or a category, you’ve got the, hopefully, right, you’ve got some tools that you can leverage with, with those labels and categories, right? So you, right? Or, or you could at least go to somebody and say, hey, look, I’ve got a couple of these things. Can you help me with this? Because I think another thing that you mentioned is this whole idea of community, building it, or being a part of it, or leaving it was Western societies all? I’ve got to be the hero in every movie, right? And every scene, if I don’t do this all myself, then did I do it at all? Right. Right. And so, you know, I think that when, when you’re talking about this person who says that they’ve, you know, they don’t see themselves on the forefront of the line? You know, what, and they think that that’s the only way it can be, but you’re saying that they can get involved in so many other ways? Oh, yeah.

Marcia 11:02
Right. Okay, you know, maybe your speech, or maybe you write great speeches, maybe your graphic designer, and you know, you, whatever project you’re doing, need some outreach material. And so you can, you can participate in, it’s just as important, as you know, the extroverts out on the front lines, the, the, you know, the the background stuff, the preparation is just as important. I was on a show recently with a really interesting and insightful young man who’s a disability advocate, and he’s on the autistic spectrum. But I was talking to him about when you’re doing the group work, you have to do a power analysis, and you have to study and prepare. And he immediately went to the rope, a dope example with the Frazier Ali fight in 1974. And, you know, at the time, foreman was knocking people out before the fifth,

Unknown Speaker 12:00
fifth

Marcia 12:03
round. And so Muhammad Ali studied the film, and he realized that while he delivered these thunderous blows, he got tired fast. And so he just barely decided he was going to just go to the ropes and observe some abdominal blows, and just kind of wear him out. And it worked. He knocked him out. And I’m not a huge fan of boxing. But I think the analogy is really important, because it’s about studying your opponent together doing power analysis, which is a very specific community organizing activity, figuring out who maybe are the decision makers, because that’s where you’ve got to go. But, and in that sense of persistence in resistance, where you just keep working until you wear them out. And that’s all a part of the spirituality of resistance as well. Now, I mentioned denial. We have seen this in this country, we have seen a degree of denial that is really goes beyond description. You know, 80 million people denying that the election was legitimate. a president that lied 33,000 times in the course of a four year term, half of which occurred last year. You know, we have developed a very strange and foreign relationship with the truth. And so when people deny that things are happening, we create an alternate reality. And we absolutely have seen this happen this this past year, and it’s strangely enough, still seems to be having some steam to it, even though as the months roll on a beat these conspiracy theories and fantasy assessments of our culture are being proven wrong. So you see the power of denial, and what it can do in terms of undermining good social change.

Brandon Handley 14:24
Right. And I think that that’s, you know, your your application of the spiritual resistances for social change. Is that, you know, kind of way Yes. Right. And so, let’s talk a second about how do you go from practicing kind of, I guess I’ll call it a material law. Right. I mean, I don’t know what I know, the standard law. Yeah. spiritual law. Right. I think this is an interesting, it’s an interesting shift. You know, talk a little bit about kind of the differences and how they kind of you know, how they align

Marcia 14:59
for you. They’re actually aligned very easily. So when I was coming out in the late 70s and early 80s, first, I sensed a call to ordination, when I was about 15 years old. But of course, back then I wasn’t seeing a whole lot of women at the pulpit or the altar. So I decided to become an attorney because I wanted to work to help people. And so I became a civil rights attorney. But that call of the Holy Spirit never left. And in fact, started getting louder as I got older. And I got frustrated, because you can’t really argue the gospel of compassion and mercy in a court of law and expect to have a successful legal career because it doesn’t really work that way. So, you know, there’s, there’s no precedent for the gospel. So I decided to go to seminary in my late 40s, along with a lot of other women who experience the same thing because of our, you know, or our common age. And so, when you are an attorney, you read texts, sometimes you write them, you write persuasive arguments, you interpret the law, you do all those things. You do the same thing. As a priest or pastor. It’s all about reading texts, and interpreting them and preaching or teaching whatever it may be. But, and, and I, Martin Luther was a lawyer before he became a priest, I am in no way comparing myself to Martin Luther. But you know, that’s a famous example of somebody.

Brandon Handley 16:55
It’s interesting, you put it that way. And I think just as you’re saying it, you know, it’s kind of dawning on me that Yeah, exactly. Right. It’s because I think I did like all maybe three months of business law. And I was like, this is for the birds. I was like, because it’s not logical. Yes. No, there’s no real logic in it, you really have to have an understanding of a whole bunch of other pieces. Yeah, to be able to interpret it. And I was like, I don’t have time for this right now. Yeah.

Marcia 17:25
To is really so subject to interpretation.

Unknown Speaker 17:29
Right? Yeah. My God, it was mind boggling. I couldn’t I couldn’t, I did. I’m sure I could have if I really cared enough to, but I didn’t.

Brandon Handley 17:38
So one of the things that we were talking about, too, was the idea of, um, you know, Christianity and and spirituality. Are they really separate? Or are they, you know, how do they How do they, you know, kind of walk hand in hand, because I hear people always separating religion from spirituality. I’m like, I don’t, you know, helped me out there.

Marcia 18:00
Well, I think that’s a really interesting and excellent question. I think most religions have a component of spirituality in and of course, it’s going to vary depending on what that tradition is. Christianity is a very spiritual tradition. And in fact, you know, going back to the Old Testament, and the prophets, having conversations with God, having, you know, this direct relationship, and then seeing Jesus continue that. And as a matter of fact, often the disciples would lose track of him because he went off somewhere to pray. And we see this particularly in the Gospel of Luke, which is, I think, a very spiritual gospel. Jesus is off praying very often. And he’s helping, so he goes and prays, and then he goes, and he helps somebody. So Christianity, as a tradition, I think, is very, very spiritual. Unfortunately, and this bothers me a lot. And it’s one of the reasons that I started political theology matters, is to underscore that to look back to the Gospels of Jesus and what he did, he prayed and healed. And he challenged unjust systems, and then he healed somebody. You know? That’s not what we’re seeing in the public square right now. And Christianity is looking is melded, if you will, say to January 6, you know, there’s all these flags waving Jesus saves as people are storming the capital of the United States of America. that bothered me greatly, greatly greatly. So it’s, it’s really important that we bring this idea of spirituality back to the fore I think the American American people, I’m going to make a very broad based statement here, this is my opinion. But I think the American people are just parched for spirituality, they’re parched for reconnecting with their Creator, the divine being this, you know, whatever it is that you call it. We don’t respect that in public in society. And we should,

Brandon Handley 20:28
I’m going to, I’m going to agree with you. And I think that we’re seeing a lot of that research. And since I could, it could be, of course, that I’ve just gone through myself in the middle of all of it. And that’s the only people I talked to pretty much outside of outside of work, you know, because but the other thing is, we’re seeing it in the workplace. We’re seeing, you know, wellness, we’re seeing meditation, we’re seeing yoga, we’re seeing breathwork, we’re seeing all this other stuff show up in the workplace, you know, without calling it specifically, you know, you know, reconnecting with source or anything, right. But the surge of people that are running towards it, and embracing it. That’s, That, to me indicates that, that what you’re saying is 100% true, right? The idea of that the idea of this thirst for it, it exists right now. And of course, it always makes me think of, and I don’t know, the Bible for nothing. But you know, it makes me think of makes me think of the line of, you know, I’ve got bread that are meats that you know, not have, right, that’s the nourishment that yes, we’re seeking the spiritual nourishment and right that that, you know, will feed us to sustain us that, you know that that’s, that’s why we’re parched. Right. That’s why we’re hungry, because we haven’t been. And we’re banished.

Marcia 21:53
There’s a in the fourth chapter of john, the gospel of john, there’s one of the most amazing stories in the whole Bible, and it’s when Jesus is at the well with the Samaritan woman. And he says to her, I will giving I’ll give you a living water, and you will never thirst again. And of course, she wants this water. And she’s taking him much more literally than what he’s talking about. But I think that when people and then by extension individuals and by extension of community are more tied into the spiritual, mystical, you know, part of life, I think our regard for other human beings will go up. One of the reasons I think we’re seeing these, this episode, we are in a pandemic of police shootings. And I think one of the reasons that we are seeing this is because instead of connecting spiritually, and praying and recognizing that we’re all children of God, there’s just a lot of fear and power plays. And that’s not spirituality, spirituality is getting in touch with our Creator, and by extension, the folks that we share this planet with and in creation.

Brandon Handley 23:15
And would you also say that we can eliminate some of that fear if we have some faith? And in our Creator? Of course, I would say that, yeah. You know, but it you know, it goes, it goes to the brain up all the time, it’s, you know, it’s this, this this kind of idea of let go and let God it releases a lot of these fears. Yes, right. Yeah, you can, you can look at that. And I, I put it into a bunch of different frameworks. But I think that, once you make that statement work for you, and you see in action, there is my book, salming surrender effect was the thing that you feel, and you’re like, why haven’t I’ve been doing this all my life, right? Because, you know, there’s this resistance to the institution of church and religion. I think that that’s what’s that’s what keeps a lot of people from trying to make that way forward. So, Marsha, we were down to, we’re down to kind of get into the end here. We’ve got political theology matters, right? Yeah. I want to know, a couple of questions. We’re gonna do like a couple of spiritual speed dating questions. Okay, so this is like, you know, hey, you and I are at the table. I want to date you, but I’m not quite sure if you’re the right spiritual as a line person, for me. And so you know, what’s let’s take a let’s take a couple, take a couple of these questions and see if we can come up with okay. To do what is wisdom and how do we gain it?

Marcia 24:52
Well, I think wisdom basically is knowing right and wrong. I think it just boils right down to that, you know, having a moral through line in your life that guides you in terms of your thoughts and conduct and the decisions that you make. And, and we, I think we acquire this as we live longer for a reason. Because as we experience life, it helps us understand what our moral through line is, and should be even greater as we age.

Brandon Handley 25:27
Like that. You know, I was always a wise ask growing up as a kid, right. But that wasn’t the wisdom that it served.

Marcia 25:36
wasn’t always asked is different than wisdom, who, you know, you

Brandon Handley 25:39
still still put the two in there? Yeah, put the two in there. I was

Marcia 25:42
the wiser as to so there you go. That’s just a bit. This

Brandon Handley 25:45
is part of the journey. Right? I’m going from thinking that you know, everything to knowing that you know, nothing. Yeah. Right.

Marcia 25:53
humility, that’s part of wisdom. For sure.

Brandon Handley 25:56
Yeah. Is current religion serving its purpose?

Marcia 25:59
No. Tell me more? Well, yes. And no. I think we’re seeing it, I’m going to talk about Christianity, because that’s what I know, I really have no business talking about any other tradition. But Christianity has lost its way, and is much more concerned, at least certain corners of Christ’s vineyard are more concerned about power than they are about people, and about judgment, and damning people because they’re this or that, or they’re not this or that. And dictating the terms of that individual’s relationship with their Creator, which I think is crazy. And I quit doing that, we got to stop this horizontal stuff. Alright, you did this. So you’re bad, you’re going to hell, or whatever, like anybody really has the right to say that to somebody else. Our relationship needs to be like this. You know, we need to dictate a relationship with our Creator, or we need to craft it and follow our tradition, and our Creator, and not let society get in between. And I think that’s really bad. I think that’s where Christianity is failing. The most. Are there any

Brandon Handley 27:27
churches, groups, communities and Christianity that you feel like are doing it right, right now?

Marcia 27:34
Well, of course, I would have to put in a plug for the Episcopal Church. I am a priest ordained in the Episcopal Church. And I’m, I’m a lesbian. So I didn’t have a lot of choices outside of mainstream Protestantism, to become ordained. But I’m still really glad that I’m where I am. Because we have an incarnational theology, which means that God chose to send Jesus to walk the earth with us to understand our lives and to understand what we go through, in order to reach out to us and invite us into the reign of God. And so I, that really works for me, we are very inclusive, we are dating, obviously, we are dating LGBT people. As a matter of fact, we specifically passed a, you know, a resolution a few years ago at our general convention to ordain trans people. So we’re on the cutting edge of the LGBTQ issues. But we’re also very active in lobbying for greater social justice. reconciliation, racial reconciliation, climate care, you name it, and we are involved on the progressive and of Christianity, and I’m very proud of that. I wouldn’t be an Episcopal priest if I was a

Brandon Handley 29:01
class. Fantastic. And you know, it’s it’s great to hear, you know, called sex they called branches. I don’t know what they’re called. denominations. That’s what they are. Right?

Marcia 29:10
Yes. denominations. And several that are in company with us. It’s not just us, but

Brandon Handley 29:16
right right now, but it’s great to hear that. There’s this kind of release of judgment. Right. Yeah. And there’s this acceptance of calm as you are, right? Because, I mean, that’s kind of what it’s supposed to be about. Right? Come as you are, you’re accepted no matter who, what, where you are, right, what you’ve done. who, you know, you feel like you’ve wronged I mean, you know, as a parent myself, right. And I can only imagine like, as you know, you know, you know, God, Jesus, whoever, whoever, you know, the creator is that’s our eternal parent, you know, doesn’t want us to, like, you know, sit their misery over the fact that I don’t know yeah, you know, if you Have cause an accident, like by running into a car like that. That doesn’t mean you’re damned to hell, you know? Like, hey, you made a pretty shitty mistake, right? But go ahead and come on in, we’re gonna we’re gonna work through this right? Let’s talk about this. Let’s know, let’s, where can we go from here,

Marcia 30:15
there’s, in my opinion, way too much emphasis on being strictly sinful create creatures of constant failure. And, you know, disappointment. God created us, we’re told, because God didn’t want to be alone and wanted to be with us in community. And Jesus was all about community. And I think that we have to remember that we are also children, a God created in God’s image. And so what we can do then is stop focusing so much on how faulty we are all the time. Recognize that we are children of God, but also recognize that Jesus created avenues for us to seek and receive forgiveness so that we could stay in relationship with God. And that’s just incredibly important with that.

Brandon Handley 31:08
I mean, I’ve heard some people call that the way, right there’s like, Yeah, right. Yeah. So, so, so much fun to have you on today. Thanks for thanks for stopping on. Really appreciate it much.

Yeah. Appreciate it. Where can people go to have more Marsha?

Marcia 31:24
Okay, so my website is called political theology. matters.com. I know that’s kind of long. We’ll put it in the show notes. You can email me at Marsha m AR c IA at MMI. PTM. PTM for political theology. matters.com. So that’s the shortened version. Marsha, at my PTM calm. Thank you so much for being on today. And oh, more. Would you like me to send you info when the book drops? Absolutely, absolutely. So yeah, you’ve

Brandon Handley 32:01
got you’ve got a book coming out. You’re working on it. And you’re expected to come out this year?

Marcia 32:05
Yeah, at the end of next the end of this year. And I’ll be sure that Brandon knows when it is. And you can get more information. It’s about it’s a book about how to do faith based advocacy for social justice.

Brandon Handley 32:19
That’s great. And I love it. Thank you so much for being on today. Marsha, my pleasure.

Marcia 32:22
Thank you, Brandon.

Unknown Speaker 32:23
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David J Sandercott Meditating his way into Modeling

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey there spiritual dope I’m on today with David Sandercott a big thanks goes out they were just talking he, he and I were on together probably was about a month ago David and something in the ether chewed up. It’s like, you know my dog ate my homework type of thing happened. And so Dave is back here again for a second round. I really appreciate coming back. So Dave is the author of 21 day meditation journey connect with spirit every day in a new way, a life and business coach and speaker, David is also excited to announce it he is now working with small businesses and large corporations. In 1998, David decided to be the shortest high fashion model ever. He also decided that he was going to meditate himself there. In 2001. David was the shortest male model ever to appear in Vogue magazine and the six page spread shot by Helmut Newton alongside supermodel Kate Dillon. Ever since David has been inspired to help others to achieve their dreams, David, thanks for being on today. How are you? Hey, thanks.

David Sandercott 1:04
Happy to be your brand. You got the longer older bio there from the website? Is that right? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 1:11
I did. I mean, I thought that was actually pretty short one I was I was happy. I was like, wow, you know, you don’t have your whole life story there. Thank you.

David Sandercott 1:17
Hey, good. I like I like short BIOS,

Brandon Handley 1:20
is a good one. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. So well, you know, we start us off with the idea. Let’s see if you remember everything that we did last time because it was perfect. The we start us off with the whole idea that source speaks through us for like just kind of this moment and purpose. And right now, you know, sources speaking through you to an audience member, and only the way that it can through you What does that message to that audience member today?

David Sandercott 1:50
Wow, that’s a great question. Brandon was gonna close my eyes and connect a little bit just to make sure I get it right. You know, I think that message is, you know, above anything is to believe in yourself, to love yourself. And to know that if you have the inspiration in your heart, if you have that reoccurring thought of this thing that you want to do, or that pool to do something, that you have everything you need within you to do that thing. And if you’re using the excuse of I don’t have the money, I promise you that’s not what’s stopping you from doing it. You know, you’re most people think of capital is money. You know, Facebook, Steve Jobs, apple, they didn’t have millions and millions of dollars to start, they started with the capital in their mind, which was an idea. And it’s just like, just like them your idea is your true capital. Does that make sense? Does that sound like something they want to hear? I

Brandon Handley 2:52
love I love it, man. Absolutely, absolutely. I think I think you know, you’re being pulled to do it. And I think that that’s something How can somebody recognize that they’re being pulled to do it? And it’s not just ego telling them that that’s the thing?

David Sandercott 3:04
Yeah, that’s a great question. You know, that’s part of the art of life of you know, how to be human is learning how to be a happy human is learning to decipher between that voice that speaks to you that, you know, let’s say Bugs Bunny, right, Bugs Bunny used to have the angel pop up and like the devil on one side. And so you have to learn to differentiate between those. And what I can most to tell you is that fear is the is the devil. And, and when it feels good, and your heart opens, you know that that’s God, that’s the angel. You know, I don’t think I can give you some sort of linear way to tell you how to decipher those voices. You have to do it through practice, through learning to love yourself and trust yourself and through meditation and contemplation. But usually it feels good and doesn’t involve fear. And then what was the second part of the question? I don’t remember I was so that’s alright. It was a great question. But how do you decipher? And then the one thing you said that you’re being led, you know, how do you know that you’re being led? And it’s, it’s simple. So two things, like one exercise I did is I wrote down 10 goals every day for a year. And it was like, what those what goals of those were left at the end of the year. Those were the ones that were really important. They kept the ones that kept coming up over and over and over again. And again, it’s like that in your heart and in your mind, what keeps coming up. What do you keep thinking about wanting to do what inspires you when you think about doing it? And that’s, that’s the poll that I’m speaking of, and, and to some degree, it’s also easy it because it’s not that there’s not challenges or obstacles, but it’s some it’s easy, it’s easy when it’s right. It’s easy.

Brandon Handley 4:51
So being invoke was right and easy for you. Let’s talk about that.

David Sandercott 4:57
Yeah, you know, someone interviewed me for that reason. Recently are, you know, we’re talking about manifestation, the art of manifestation. She’s like, and I bet you that you had some some struggles or some challenges, you know, leading up to getting in vogue. I was like, No, it was so easy and effortless, you know, it was part of it. I think that I was I was so young, that I hadn’t had much, you know, adversity in my life maybe. And I just decided to do something. And I decided to meditate. And I decided to visualize, I decided to read affirmations and I decided I was gonna do this thing. And it Honest to God was the most easy and effortless thing I’ve ever done in my life, I think because it was right, it was divine, it was it was to show me that you really can do anything you put your mind to, if you believe in yourself, and stick with it.

Brandon Handley 5:50
You’ve got a lot of, you know, a lot of good stuff in there, right? I think that everybody feels like it’s supposed to be a challenge, right? If it’s worth it, it’s gonna take work. If it’s worth it, you’re gonna have to put in the work and it’s gonna be hard. And you know, you got to put in, like, you got to grind it out, and this other stuff. But when you do it in that manner, then you know, it’s kind of like what you put out, there’s what you get back. That’s exactly what it’s going to take, it’s gonna take a grind, and it’s gonna be hard and all this other stuff. But it sounds to me like what you did was you said, but here, here’s another piece of this, too, that that I think we don’t hear a bunch of and like the law of attraction world. If you don’t know how to do it, and you just start doing it, then it the patches kind of opens up for you. Is that kind of how it went for you?

David Sandercott 6:40
Absolutely. Because that’s where I want to say action is the key to success. Now, there’s all kinds of action involved, right? There is there absolutely was and yes, that is how it started. All I knew I needed to have pretty pictures of myself. You know, I knew I needed that. So that was that was the first step. I knew I needed to be in great shape. But that’s what I loved doing anyway. So there was a lot of work in the gym. But you know what, I? There’s nothing I would rather do in my life than that. And then yeah, there was x and you just had to talk to agents. You know, I mentioned I went to New York, and this guy is just Oh, looking. Cute. Haha, you want a bottle? And you that didn’t faze me. I was just like, you know, oh, yeah, I’m gonna be a model.

Brandon Handley 7:34
So when you’re saying that to it when you said action, right, and I forget what I was watching. I was like another, you know, law of attraction, spin off, or the secret spin off for a bunch of people that were in there. And one guy’s like, by the way, the word action is at the end of attraction, right? is in attraction. And I thought that that was pretty cool. But what you’re also talking about too, and I’m hearing you say is like, you kind of had clarity and purpose and an intention. And you got behind it, you believed in yourself and you just aligned to it. Right? You did. And thank you for the recommendation, right? The dorthea brand, you know, um, you know, acted as if it actually as if it was impossible to fail.

David Sandercott 8:21
That’s right. That’s right. It was it was Yeah, it’s such a great book. And so anyways, I mentioned thinking Grow Rich before I read the book thinking grow rich. It told me I could do anything I wanted to do if I believed in myself made a decision to do it and I meditated. So those were the three things I did exactly what you said I made a decision and I think that is where so many people falter that’s where so many people that the decision they make is not to make a decision or decision they make is to make an excuse on why they can’t make the decision when it was I made a clear cut decision that was gonna be the world’s shortest high fashion model. And now I Honest to God could probably get into the Guinness Book of World Records with with everything that I had for doing that you know, that didn’t necessarily mean to me though get in the world Guinness Book of World Records You know, that’s not it was just get something that only a six foot two you know, Blue Steel type model could do you know, and and that was it that’s filled it but I made the decision to do it. So I had to succeed. And then I believed in myself and I followed up with action. So there’s the non action action of the daily meditation and the daily visualization was was equally and probably more important than the other daily actions of going to castings meeting people, you know, always be doing something right. And not doing something for the sake of doing something like modeling jobs, photo shoots, you know, etc, etc.

Brandon Handley 10:00
Sure, I think there’s a lot of sounds to me what you’re talking about is there’s a lot of people that do these actions from this busy stuff. But there’s no there’s nothing behind it, right? There’s no there’s no intent, there’s no alignment. There’s like, Alright, well, I’m supposed to do these things, this thing, this thing, this thing and this thing. But if it’s not aligned to an intention, or purpose or direction, or like this grand vision, I mean, we can call, we call what you had a vision of what you thought was possible for yourself. Right? Like, yeah, I think that I think another thing too, is that people are afraid to have a vision people are afraid to be visionary, because they think it needs to be something greater than it is right? You can, you can have many visions you can write, you can have these visions that these practice visions, we’ll call them. Right. But you know, I think what you’re talking about, too, is the idea of making a decision. Did you pull that out of thinking grow rich? And sub question, Are you a Bob Proctor fan?

David Sandercott 10:59
I did pull it out of thinking Grow Rich, those were the three biggest takeaways make a decision, believe in yourself and meditate that that was the key in all my life that decision making has been key was a huge like Bob. Proctor was really inspiring to me like 15 years ago, I don’t really I mean, walked around thinking Grow Rich, and you know, so he, I haven’t really been cued into them for a long time.

Brandon Handley 11:26
Now, fair enough. And the reason I bring that up, because he brings up the word decision, and the root of the word is like this

David Sandercott 11:32
huge array cut off from thinking grow rich. So once I make the decision, there’s no other option, you know, you have to pick yourself off from all other options.

Brandon Handley 11:46
Well, look, I’m super impressed that you got that out of thinking Grow Rich, like even immediately, because it’s a tough read. And if you’re trying to read that on your own, without some kind of, I don’t know, I want to say guidance, because it’s a tough one to read. Like I certainly. And for me, I never I never pulled meditate out of there. Where did you pull that out? I’m like, I’m like, where’d you pull the rabbit out of the hat, bro.

David Sandercott 12:08
You know, it’s I read it sometimes. And I’m like, and it is in there. And I am convinced that the older of the edition of the book you can get, the better they’ve taken stuff out over the years. There’s this beautiful poem in there. That’s not in the original unabridged version anymore. I don’t know why. And maybe I’m making it up. But it was just as loud and clear to me in that book was you’ve got to meditate if you want to be successful. That’s just what I saw. And I remember asking Mr. Van Asch, who was sort of like a mentor of mine, and I said, Do you meditate? And he’s like, Well, no, but I drive home silently. for like an hour, I do this drive. And that’s sort of like my meditate. So he knew what I was talking about, when we’re talking about the book, you know? And so I don’t know, but I got it out of there. And it is in there. He does say the word meditate, you know,

Brandon Handley 13:01
no doubt, I believe you, man, I believe you. 100%. And then you threw out a couple of words earlier there when we’re talking about easy and effortless, right? The the idea of more meditation, but you talked about like, you know, kind of divine intervention, right? Like, when do you feel like you really flipped the spirituality switch for yourself?

David Sandercott 13:26
Yeah, that’s a great question. So I’ve honestly the effortless way. I said, I’m teaching June 19 is the effortless way. June 19. I’m having a prosper event. But anyways, so again, I the spiritual switch turned on for me. And when I was, Well, honestly, when I was in my teenage, or even preteen years, I remember thinking about wanting to find my higher self like that being my driving force I really wanted, I knew there was something more. And then when I read Think and Grow Rich at that time, that was it, man. I was, I mean, less than a year late after that, I moved to LA. I was meditating an hour a day I was visualizing, but it’s, I mean, it was just as soon as I got sober from like, a four year you know, run of being drunk. 22 I just, I was immediately called the Spirit. And that doesn’t mean I didn’t like break up with it during certain times, or like, neglect it and forget about it. And to some degree, it’s if I had a regret that would be there, Brett I had in my life. When my all of my good friends started moving out to LA, I sort of shifted back kind of into the role that I played more with them instead of just sticking to the celibate, spiritual, and just I was a machine I mean, I was I. Yeah, it happened very early on, and then again, in 2011

Brandon Handley 15:00
So I think that I think that it’s interesting that you kind of found it you recalled toward such a young agent, I don’t I don’t think that I think that somewhere around 20 we get called to that, right? It’s and it’s kind of like, you know, a window of an opportunity, right? And we either heat it then where we don’t, right? For those of us that don’t, myself included, you kind of go about life in this default mode, right? And you just, you’re like, Alright, well, let me go do all these other things everybody else is doing because that’s what looks like I should be doing. And then to me again, and just just based off of personal experience, but the other window of opportunity kind of opens up round, you know, when you get close to 40. Right? There’s like it still here. Still here, if you want to hang out, bro. Right? Like, I mean, and, and, and spiritualities like that. It’s like I listen, I’m hope you had a good time. It’s time to get serious again, right? Remember me like? word Have you been man? It’s been crazy. So I think it’s really cool that you know, you kind of took hold of it. And you talked about the breakups. And the other piece that you’re talking about is when your friends show up. It’s interesting, right? When you go home, you’re like, well, this is who I was when I left. And so people are still expecting me to be that way. And that’s probably what it was when your friends come out to visit you like, you’re like, Oh, this is the Dave they know. Right. Let me like, let me remind you revert back to something that’s acceptable for the people that you know that that kind of what happened?

David Sandercott 16:25
Yeah, I just say it was unconscious, you know, to a to a large degree. But looking back now, yeah, I would say what I really want to express is the way not to fall in that trap is to really have a great deal of love and respect for yourself and recognize how what you’re doing is working. Now, it was a lot of fun to fall back into that role, because my friends were all kind of like rich or had more money than me and at a beach house and hermoza. And I’ve seen we had I still I never drink or you know, but I still have a lot of fun with them. But they were all getting master’s degrees and establishing careers. And I fell back into the guy who was just along for the ride, you know, not realizing that they’re eventually going to get kids and not be able to take care of me get married have kids

Unknown Speaker 17:19
out? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 17:22
I get it, I get it. But what’s interesting, though, too, is that it doesn’t sound like you succumb to their way of living though either by feeling like it. Maybe you did. And like

David Sandercott 17:35
No, I didn’t. I mean, I gave him stuff for Well, a lot of a lot. Not really. But I mean, I’m definitely the guy that people talk to you they don’t want to drink so much.

Brandon Handley 17:45
I mean, not even just the drinking but like the the you know, the workforce, right, going back into the workforce, getting the education and doing you know, kind of doing that what’s the social socially expected norm? Yeah, that’s what your friend said, right? They finished school, got degrees, got married, have kids and fell into fell in line.

David Sandercott 18:06
They absolutely did it. And it worked for them to the degree they’re happy. I’ll say this this is coming up for me is like sometimes I give teachers or education a bad rap. But I had a fifth grade teacher named miss a miss Afro carrion, she was, she was great. The rumor was that during lunch, she smelled doobies in her like 1970s docks, and in the in the dots in the corner of the parking lot. But anyways, at the beginning of class, every single day, we recited the road less traveled by Robert Frost. And I have no doubt that that completely impacted me in such a profound way. Because everything I’ve ever done in my life, was the road less traveled was taken the road less traveled.

Brandon Handley 18:49
That’s awesome. You know, I’m in agreement with you there, right, like, definitely, probably not as kind as I could be to the education system, but they’re certainly the teachers that had a profound impact are the ones that you remember

David Sandercott 19:04
that as MIT right, Mr. Ben, he just retired and I made him a video, you know, someone in and I just let him know that you inspired me to start reading angry reading changed my life, you know, I’m not the stuff they gave you in school.

Brandon Handley 19:23
What do you what do you think the impact of doing something like that is reaching out to a past teacher? Did he reply to you? What, what are your thoughts there?

David Sandercott 19:30
Well, it was sent in like a group thing, like someone put it together. And I don’t know, but I know he saw it. And so I had a rubber band ball that was like this big and he took it away from me. And I had went back like five or six years later, and he still had it. And then I asked someone to ask so at his retirement, he still had the rubber band ball that I gave him. So I know he remembered me. And so I’m sure that he was grateful for that message, you know, is great. You know, I was happy to do it because teachers get, you know, they get pooped on a lot to

Brandon Handley 20:04
it. And it’s the same, um, you know, somewhere, and but, you know, to the idea that some of their for a job and some of their really impact lives and it sounds like you had a few that were there to really impact your life. Yeah, that’s right. And, and I think, you know, I’m gonna segue that into kind of what you’re doing right? You know, you’re you’re right now you’re teaching some of these practices and principles that you’ve been able to find success with in your life. One of those is, I think that you initially kind of did a lot of work in the space by helping others to get their first You know, one grand five grand, and now you’re working to help them get their first 10 grand, and in their, in their own respective faces. Let’s talk a bit about that. What’s your, what’s your about in that space?

David Sandercott 20:49
Yeah. So after I read, Think and Grow Rich for that first time, it was like, I knew that this is what I wanted to do, I didn’t know there was a thing called a coach back then, you know, but I knew that that’s what I want to do, and mentor people and, and I did it as a wrestling coach. And I had, I had athletes come back to me a decade later, say, you know, that thing that you said, or, or, you know, I read thinking Grow Rich, and it really made a big difference in my life, you know, so I got to start doing it back then. And then I was a fitness trainer, because really, that’s something that I was really passionate about sharing. And, and then around mid 2000s 2007 2008, I got into direct sales, which was like building a sales team. And then, you know, network marketing, like you buy something, essentially, and then you teach other people, then you get someone else to buy it and teach them to sell it is essentially how that goes. And that was really where coaching started. And two big things happen there, I helped several people are in their first $1,000 as an entrepreneur, which was extremely rewarding, and maybe even more impactful. It was, I went to New Zealand, essentially, for a long weekend to bungee jump, because it was on my list of things to do, and to see a speaker. And you know, I was gone for five or six days, I came back with $5,000 more in my bank account than when I left, because the sale went through because you know, there was leverage in this business and the system I was in. And so it was like I was on vacation, and I made $5,000. And it was like, That’s it, I’m hooked for the rest of my life. No matter what I have to work, it’s just something they pay the bills until I figure this all out. You know, I was an entrepreneur for life after that. And so that’s where I started. And then again, it took that that business eventually one of the partners joined Scientology, and unfortunately, that whole business went away. And I found myself depressed. I broke my foot in five places I gained 40 pounds. I didn’t I didn’t have the business identity. I didn’t have the bodybuilder identity. I was lost. I literally just wanted to end my life fetal position for weeks.

Brandon Handley 22:56
Yeah, let’s pause on that for a second. Let’s pause on the idea that getting caught up in our identity being what it is that we do.

David Sandercott 23:06
Yeah. Well, that’s a big mistake. I encourage nobody, I always say at the beginning of my medication classes, you are not your job, you are not your socio economic standings. You are not what you do for a living.

Brandon Handley 23:18
So I mean, I guess you’re sitting on the couch or in a fetal position, and you’ve lost your kind of sense of identity is what it sounds like. How did you how did you recover from that?

David Sandercott 23:27
Yeah. Well, so I did two things. You know, I got on my knees I surrendered my life to God, I asked for guidance. And I listened and and that was my all means the number one thing and that’s that that’s what guided me, right. That’s what pulled me. The second thing is equal importance that I stopped being a victim, I stopped blaming the outside world, you know, that was part about it is that I had so many opportunities in my life to be in such a better position than I was. And instead of taking responsibility for it, I was blaming it blaming society and blaming other people. I was like, if you notice, one of the biggest trophies in the world right now is who’s the biggest victim? I assure you that that is not the game you want to play for happiness and success. You know, it was it was taking responsibility for my all of my, you know, mess ups and life situation current circumstances.

Brandon Handley 24:25
Yeah, I mean, that’s huge, right? When you can kind of recognize and I’m just kind of taking a leap here. But you can kind of recognize that all of your success or failure is coming from within, and it has nothing to do with what’s outside of you. And when you do that, there’s so much ownership, right? There’s so much empowerment that comes from that because now you can be like, Oh, yeah, that was me. It wasn’t me over here too. And, you know, these failures were me. But some of these successes, right? So you know, everything you know, is both both sides of the coin. Um, that’s that’s fantastic. So You know, we don’t have a whole lot of time here, unfortunately but what you know you’ve got a course coming up right? What is the course called? What are you going to be teaching? What’s it called?

David Sandercott 25:10
Yet would you 19th is its prosper but prosper prosper virtual event I’ll be teaching prosperity consciousness, helping spiritual entrepreneurs, coaches healer to create the mindset, the prosperity consciousness to have their first $10,000 month the first 10k month.

Brandon Handley 25:28
Nice. Nice. And we’ll share the link to that but the link is what again?

David Sandercott 25:38
Ah. I actually bought a URL just for it. But it’s like David Sandler comm forward slash brought I

Brandon Handley 25:45
think, yeah, well, yeah,

David Sandercott 25:47
that’s right. You can if you go to david Sandler, God calm That’s right. It’s right there.

Brandon Handley 25:51
Yeah, Paul’s Frodo calm? I’ll be sure to share that out. Right. And then, you know, this I told you before, this is kinda like a spiritual speed dating court like, right? And and the deal is, is like, there’s 30 minutes, right? That’s all we’ve got this, you know, somebody’s gonna come on, and they’re gonna decide whether or not they spiritual want to date David J. Sandra. So it’s not a lot of time. And so one of the questions I’ll ask is, is this one of our speed dating questions be? What does? What does it mean to live in the present moment? bachelor number one? Yeah. What

David Sandercott 26:24
does it mean to live in the present moment? Well, it means that if you’re living in the present moment, you’re going to be happy, fulfilled, and at peace, you’re going to be okay, with the way everything is, no matter what you’re going to be living your life consciously. And that’s what we’re here to do is to evolve our consciousness and the best way to evolve your consciousness is to be more conscious. And if you’re living in the moment, you’re being conscious,

Brandon Handley 26:53
elaborate on what you mean by conscious.

David Sandercott 26:56
Well, being conscious of your consciousness, there’s, there’s that which can observe yourself think. And there’s the brain that can think there’s a subject and an object. So keep your attention on that part of yourself that can observe yourself thinking, and really go one step more and observe the observer observing. It’s all a play of consciousness, we is all a field of consciousness and and we are that consciousness. So it’s, it’s coming to know yourself. It’s being conscious of the consciousness, and of as yourself as the consciousness.

Brandon Handley 27:35
Dave took us on a level guys like this to another level. there’s a there’s a great feeling when you become the observer to absolutely yeah,

David Sandercott 27:45
I always go like this. You say, I want to go like, this is where you want to live life from like three feet three feet back, you know, above yourself.

Brandon Handley 27:52
Yeah. Yeah. Well, dude, thank you so much. Again, David, for popping on, always enjoyed the conversation, you both of them. And we’ll be sure to share this out. Is there anything that maybe we didn’t touch on that you want to share out with the audience today?

David Sandercott 28:07
One quick thing, the last question you asked me, I remember the first time we did got me a little bit and it was like, What do you wish for the world? And it was like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 28:15
I didn’t like my answer. I

David Sandercott 28:16
thought about it a little bit and what I would world is the exact same thing that I wished for me, you know, happiness, peace, prosperity and abundance in all areas of your life.

Brandon Handley 28:27
Yeah, yeah. No, that’s, that’s, that’s great. That’s funny. You remember the question? And I think that this is the part where some people get a little confused in the love thy neighbor as thyself kind of thing. Right? This has gotten me I look at it in the very same way, you know, so what you wish upon your neighbor is really what you’re wishing upon yourself. And just in the same token, you just said, hey, what I wish on the world, what I wish upon myself, and when you do that, we look at the universe is kind of this force multiplier. What we put out comes back to us, I mean, right, so yeah, great answer. Thanks. Thanks for thanks for thanks for sharing that. And I definitely appreciate you being on. Yeah, I

David Sandercott 29:09
love it. Thanks for having me, Brandon.

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Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an expert in the field of human potential. Dr. Capshew utilizes psychotherapy, meditation, energy work (Reiki), hypnosis, shamanic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic, Dr. Capshew spreads consciousness through his writing. He published both “Divine Warrior Training: Manifesting the Divine in our World” and “Consciousness Rising,” to spread love through the world and to advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia and enjoys the outdoors, photography and music.

During these uncertain times, the world is yearning for a shift in consciousness. “Consciousness Rising” by Thomas Capshew, Ph.D. is an enlightening new book that explores the beauty in pure, collective consciousness. By illuminating the destructive nature of the dominator consciousness, Dr. Capshew explains how the best way to bring global change is through self-love and love for one another. With the help of Dr. Capshew’s teachings, readers will understand the importance of attending to one’s own heart. Through the use of mental and spiritual techniques, readers can use neuroplasticity to reframe a more positive mindset and meditation, boost their connection with the Creator and understand that they have inherent value as divine creations. These constructive changes can extend to the outside world and build strong connections between the seen and unseen worlds.

https://thomascapshew.com/

Have you ever pondered upon the fact that you are capable of so much more and this world is restricting you? Do you feel that you’re capable of doing better things for your happiness? You’re doing your daily duties, but there is always a greater calling and a consciousness to discover? People like to live in disbelief and not gain the consciousness they can and agree to live the same monotonous life. But you realise you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater satisfaction and good?

Here’s the hard truth: you are so much more than you believe you are.

In this episode, we are joined by Thomas Capshew where he talks about his experience throughout his life and his recent book.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways you can bring up your energy and develop a relationship with your interior self.
  2. Discover the importance of listening to yourself and your heart.
  3. Learn the significance of meditation, and Thomas also describes in detail different critical points from his book.

Episode Highlights

[01:34] A Message for the Listeners

  • Thomas delivers the message of more healing over trauma over this entire year.
  • He also mentions that a massive shift will be seen in light, love and life all over the place.
  • The media will only bring in negativity, and hence he promotes that we see around us to see all the positive solutions coming into force.
  • He describes how we are all a part of the consciousness that created this world.

[06:30] Introduction

  • Thomas explains his meandering path through life.
  • He also describes his experience in his childhood growing up in a Christian household as a fundamentalist Christian, going to Law School and then moving to work as a Social Worker.
  • He mentions having a crisis of faith and describes his experience with getting people to adopt Christianity. 
  • He talks about his awakening towards the idea of spirituality.

[18:15] Consciousness Rising

  • He talks about how he had no plans to write a new book, but he got instincts that lead him to write Consciousness Rising.
  • He describes that he talks about how it is essential that consciousness keeps remembered in this material world.
  • Thomas goes on to describe his idea of consciousness. 
  • We’re a part of a vast hide and seek game, where the intelligence and universe forgot themselves, and now it is coming back in a full circle. 

[28:48] Lawyer to Social Worker

  • Thomas talks about how he wanted to follow his heart and do the right thing for him.
  • Sometimes you have to make a bold choice and be courageous.

[31:20] Topography of Potential

  • A mistake is only a choice that you haven’t learnt from yet.
  • Everyone comes into this world with a map, also called topography of potential.
  • Developing different skills is essential to realise the heart song.

[41:07] Tsunami of Acceleration 

  • The tsunami is just the volume of consciousness coming into this world.
  • We are accelerating the recognition of trauma and healing and making it a win-win for everybody. 
  • Additionally, we are also in an over-flooding of information which requires our brain to process vast amounts of data.

[45:52] The Dominator Consciousness 

  • Dominator Consciousness is what has been embedded into us humans for over a thousand years.
  • It instils in us the sense that we need to have power over people.
  • It is about creating a scarcity of resources. 

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Brandon

Brandon Handley 0:00
Yeah, that is worth that it’s worth hitting on right? You know, so that you’re kind of teed up then so Alright, we’ll get it going. And 54321 Hey there spiritual dope. We are here today with my guest Thomas cap shoe. He who Tom what I do with it what I do with your bio Tom. There we go. He is an expert in the field of human potential dr capture, utilize a psychotherapy, meditation, energy work Reiki, hypnosis, sermonic practices and spiritual mentoring to help his clients find positive change in their lives. With the heart of a social worker, the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic Dr. Cap shoe spreads consciousness through his writing, he published both divine war warrior training, manifesting the divine in our world and consciousness rising to spread love through the world and advocate for a peaceful, loving planet. Currently, he resides in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and enjoys the outdoors, photography, and music to a doctor. Good Doctor. Thanks for joining us today. Um, I like to start these off with the whole idea that source speaks through us, right? We’re kind of like these conduits for divine energy creation. And right now, in this very moment, something’s common through you that needs to be shared with somebody who’s listening to the podcast, what is that message?

Thomas Capshew 1:33
The message is that this is the year where we are going to have more healing happening in the world on this planet than we have trauma happening. There’s there’s, we’re going to reach a tipping point where the collective trauma and wounds that we’ve all experienced, will be outweighed by the amount of people working to heal those wounds. And from there on out, we’re gonna see a huge shift in the amount of light and life and love that flows into the world.

Brandon Handley 2:22
Where do you feel like you see that

Thomas Capshew 2:26
it’s happening all over the place, you know, if you just listen to the media, you’re not gonna see it, all you’re gonna see is negativity, because that’s what attracts people. It’s like watching an accident, you know, you can’t take your eyes off of it. But if you look at what’s happening in our communities, what’s happening with each other, it’s creating all kinds of Win Win situations from people developing organizations that transform homelessness, to poverty, to all of the all of the major questions and issues that we’ve had as collective humans. Those are all coming into new positive solutions. There’s a website that I follow, called heart math that does a global coherence project where they’ve got these measuring sites around the world that show when the human collective gets gets into coherence with each other, and it’s happening more and more frequently. So there’s lots of lots of evidence. I’m a licensed clinical social worker in Virginia, and have a private practice here, as well as a practice online. And in the last couple of months, I’ve never had the volume of people coming in saying, you know, I’m 55 years old, and I’ve been carrying this around since I was eight years old. I want to get rid of this. From that happened to me this this event that happened to me at eight years old. I’m no longer interested in having it limit me. I’ve had such a volume of people coming in, in the last few months that are shedding their wounds of the past.

Brandon Handley 4:46
That’s great. Do you think that they have what do you think the reasons? Is there something pointing to that like what the reason is for them now? Why now really sad trauma right?

Thomas Capshew 5:00
Well, I think collectively in in my book consciousness rising, I assert that we we are all part of the consciousness that created the universe. And from a vibrational standpoint, as, as time moves forward consciousness, the vibration of consciousness rises. And so it’s easier for people to see their limitations and to recognize that they can shed those limitations. So collectively as a species, our our entire collective is raising its consciousness. So it’s, it’s getting lighter and lighter and easier and easier to shed those darker energies that we took on when we got wounded.

Brandon Handley 5:57
Gotcha. So, you know, it sounds to me, like, you know, just consciousness as a whole is, is evolving, right? And that’s what what we’re what we’re experiencing when we see people who are coming in and releasing the trauma and letting go of the things that are limiting them.

Unknown Speaker 6:13
Right, right.

Unknown Speaker 6:14
Look, I

Brandon Handley 6:15
really enjoy the book, actually, consciousness rising. I want to share it with you. But you know, I’ve got I’m using a, you know, reader on the Mac Book here. And yes, I’ve got highlights, you know, just highlighted many, many different things. You know what, let’s talk a little bit before we jump into the book, though, let’s talk a little bit about you know, who is Thomas cashew? Right? Like, no, you’ve got, you know, what I know about you is, is where the pieces of whereas it says no kind of with the heart of a social worker and the mind of an attorney and the soul of a mystic. I know if you were those pieces come from myself, but let’s let the audience know, like, where does the the, you know, the mind of an attorney come from? in that?

Thomas Capshew 7:08
Yeah. Well, I’ve called, I’ve had what I call a meandering path through my life. So I started off as the middle of five children raised in a fundamentalist Christian household and started off my college career studying to be a minister, and ended up having a crisis of faith and left the church kind of ended up getting a psychology degree undergrad and then owned a small business and decided I didn’t want to do that any longer. And so kind of on a whim, I went to law school. The reason that I went to law school is because I was a janitor in a law firm and had a running dialogue with the secretaries about how often I was supposed to clean the the kitchen. They were messing it up every day, and I was supposed to clean it up clean at once a week. And the attorneys told me, they were laughing about the messages. We were leaving back and forth. And they said, you should think about going to law school because you make good arguments and you write well, so you know, a few years later, I went to law school. I practice law in Florida for seven years. I enjoyed it. I was good at it, but it didn’t make my heart sing. And so eventually, I got involved in the legal aspects of assisted suicide. That was back when jack kevorkian was doing his thing. And I was doing legal seminars for hospice. Workers about you know how to navigate that thought, and I got to know some social workers and thought, hey, that’s a good combo social work and law. So I went back to school and got a Master’s and PhD in social work, and then graduated and practice social work. And in the meantime, I decided to go to an interfaith Seminary in New York City. And God ordained as an interfaith minister, which kind of completed the circle of my meandering careers, but it’s really fun because I feel like I’ve put them all together and what I do now, which is, you know, I’ve got I’ve got the ability to see clearly the what’s happening, which an attorney does. I’ve got the The compassion that a social worker would have and I have the spiritual focus of my, my interfaith ministry.

Brandon Handley 10:13
Well, you know, I always think of life is the family life Cirque family circus, right? And that path that Billy goes on when he’s kind of walking around the neighborhood, right? It’s just kind of like it’s just and, and life is not linear, right? I don’t care. Yeah, I don’t care who you are. I’m sure you went to school and you had some goals, and you met them? Right by becoming a lawyer. And that seemed like it was linear. But I’m sure that the whole path there and throughout was not right. Right. I’m really curious. So I’m not aware of what a fundamentalist Christian is. Could you just elaborate on that for me, because there might be an audience member to that might not know what that is?

Thomas Capshew 10:57
Okay. The way I’m using that term is someone who believes that the word the written New Testament is to be taken literally, and that that’s what you use to decide how to live your life on a daily basis. And so, it’s non denominational, meaning it’s not, you know, one of the big it’s not Catholic, it’s not Methodist. It’s, it’s just each church stands on its own. So it’s fairly constructive around behaviors. No, no drinking, no smoking, no dancing. No music in the worship service, other than acapella singing. So that’s what I was raised in.

Brandon Handley 11:57
Sounds very, if we’re gonna go to the 80s. Very Kevin Bacon, very Footloose. Right. Yeah, reference see, you know, I’m happy to share my my age, you know, as we as we mark ourselves as we go through these, um, the other piece in here is, you know, so you. So even though it was kind of restrictive, you still went to go study to be a minister right off the bat. Right. And I’m just curious, you mentioned the the crisis of faith, what what do you what do you feel like that was?

Thomas Capshew 12:34
Well, one of the things I did, as a member of the church is I did missionary service. So I went to Europe to try to convert people to Jesus. And the crisis of faith that I had was, I had this question that the members of the church couldn’t give me an adequate answer for and that question was, say, there’s a guy that lives in the jungles of Brazil, and has never even heard of Jesus, much less, you know, been offered to accept Jesus as a savior. And but he lives a good life, and he takes care of people and he does the things that Jesus would, would ask him to do, and he dies, does he go to heaven? Or does he go to hell? And the answer that I got from everyone in the church was, he goes to hell, and it’s your job to get there before he dies, so that he won’t go to hell. And that this wouldn’t compute for me. As, as I have come to know my Creator. The the creative force of the universe, I the shorthand that I use for that force is love. That love is what created the universe and what is that energy that sustains us? And so, obviously, if the Creator is all loving them, they’re you know, may not even be a hell much less. Have some arbitrary decision that some guy that’s not heard of a certain person that’s gonna go to hell.

Brandon Handley 14:37
Yeah, like, what about everybody that came before Jesus, right? That makes sense, right? I mean, I can see kind of where that that that breaks down. And then, so you’re going through law school, you become a lawyer. We’ll hit on heart song here in a little bit. And where you know what They’re kind of in here, do you go full on spiritual? Right Where’s like kind of your I know in your book you and I jotted it down to our at least I highlight it in the book. It’s like, life’s kind of like a series of awakenings. Right. And it’s not just like, not just, hey, there’s one awakening moment. But you know, there’s a series of them. But if you could kind of pinpoint where you feel like you had maybe your first

Thomas Capshew 15:31
Well, the first awakening was the crisis of faith. The Awakening that brought me to the work that I do now is that, as a social worker, the spiritual component often has not considered. And when you think about mental health, often times what I’ve found in my practice, is that mental health issues arise out of a spiritual discontent, out of kind of not really knowing what you’re doing here, not having a framework for how the world works for you. And so then out of those out of those uncertainties often come anxiety or depression, you know, if if you’re working in a, in a job where you’re doing something that doesn’t really make your heart sing, then it’s really easy to go into depression, you know, what am I doing here? Why am I doing this? Am I am I just doing this to get a paycheck so that I can pay my mortgage so that I can, you know, not be homeless? I mean, what kind of life is that. So that’s where the spiritual discontent comes in. And if you focus on getting to the essence of why you’re here, why you’re on the planet, at this moment, or at this lifetime, then you can start moving into a place where you’re, you’re enjoying waking up and getting up and doing what you feel is what you’re supposed to be doing for your life. Instead of doing what somebody else wants you to do for your life.

Brandon Handley 17:35
Right now. Understood, right? Definitely, definitely something that we hit on on this podcast often, right? You know, when you find when you find, you’ve kind of woken up to the idea that what you’re doing now is really everybody else’s best idea for what you should be doing. Right? And then and then then trying to figure out how to unwind all that into what you at least feel like you should be doing. So. No, I love it. So let’s talk about the book. Let’s talk about the book consciousness rising what you know why you why here, why now, this book?

Thomas Capshew 18:14
Well, let me tell you a little bit about how this book came to be. Because after my first book, divine warrior training, I didn’t really have any plans to write a second book, but about four or five years ago, I kept waking up at 4:18am and got up and had stuff to write down, you know, typed out stuff, and I’m like, oh, okay, there’s, that’s an interesting article, like one of the first ones was, nothing exists outside of relationship, that you can’t even define something without defining what it’s not or what it’s in opposition to. And so, over the course of the next couple of years, I just kept on getting prompted to wake up at 418 and write stuff down. It wasn’t every every time at 418, but more often than not, and then eventually it dawned on me again, you know, kind of those awakenings to what source has in store for you. I said oh, this is a book and originally it was a book called The human value proposition which is the first part of consciousness rising, but eventually developed into what what we have now and the Why is mainly because I think Think it is in evitable. It’s the, it’s absolutely essential to reality that consciousness ends up remembering itself in, in, in the material form. That’s the whole process that we’re a minute part of, we’re actually the leading edge of the material form, recognizing everything as divine. And we’re just, we’re just on the cusp of getting to that place where we say, you know, there’s everything sacred. There’s nothing that’s not sacred, and we need to start treating everything that way. And when we do, our whole world is gonna shift.

Brandon Handley 21:03
Oh, absolutely right. I love the idea of kind of being on the edge of consciousness, right being kind of, um, I always think of it as, you know, just being literally on the razor’s edge, right Is that fine as the universe continues to expand? We are, you know, the, the expanded, you know, de expansion of consciousness, right? And right on that edge, right? Always right on that edge of edge of creation, right? This is what’s happening right here. And now, what would you tell me what you mean by consciousness?

Thomas Capshew 21:38
What I mean by consciousness is intelligence that created the material world. So in my first book, divine warrior training, I talked about I call it I call this process, the god game. Gods. You know, one of those shorthand labels for consciousness as well, although it’s kind of been co opted by some people to be something less than what it is. But the god game is, before anything in the material world existed, there existed this intelligence. And this intelligence, decided at a point of singularity to begin a process where matter, matter was created, and matter is more dense than intelligence. And the the game is that, from that point of singularity, it created the material world so that the material world would eventually be able to recognize the intelligence of the universe. So it goes a full circle back, it’s like a Hide and Seek game, you know, we’re part of this huge Hide and Seek game where the intelligence of the universe forgot itself. And now it’s coming back to remember itself.

Brandon Handley 23:18
Love it. So the guy games, the game is, essentially just to recognize the intelligence of the universe. Right. And would you say that, is that part and parcel to reconnecting to it as well? Is, is that the recognition period? Is that the recognition period when you actually connect? reconnect? Yeah,

Thomas Capshew 23:43
yeah, when, you know, we’ve all humans have experienced a habit. We’ve all had an experience where we’ve felt one with everything. Most of us have some, some people say they haven’t felt that but many humans have felt that that’s reconnecting that’s joining back into the the understanding that everything’s connected. Everything you and I are connected, every person that listens to this, every person that doesn’t listen to this is also connected. So that’s, that’s the, that’s the inevitable movement forward of consciousness to get to that place where I recognize that you’re a part of me, that I’m a part of you. I’m a part of the plant that’s sitting in front of me, we’re all connected.

Brandon Handley 24:48
So, I try to I try to share out the idea that, you know, the universe crew was created, you know, from something the size of a pea, right? You know, and And if we think that we’re not connected, like, after all being kind of jammed and crammed into the size of a pea, right, knowing what we know, to about just kind of like, how, you know, photons and you know, everything just stays connected, right? There’s no masses, not masses, there’s never never need less mass, right? You know, the same amount of mass exists and in perpetuity. So, at one point, you know, we, we’ve all been a part of one another, right? So we we carry it, even, even from a material level, right? Even if we can’t, even if we can’t wrap our heads around, like being synced on an energetic level, we can wrap our head around the the idea that we all share some type of at least a couple skin cells from whatever, before us, right?

Thomas Capshew 25:54
Well, if you think about atoms and molecules, atoms, you know, don’t, don’t disappear, they just get reconstituted. So, you know, we each can have atoms that used to be part of Albert Einstein, or part of Hitler, or part of Jesus, you know, those, those atoms that the material world just is in constant flux of shedding stuff and reconstituting as, as something else. And so we’ve each got that that we share.

Brandon Handley 26:38
Now, and I just think it’s, you know, sometimes it’s challenging to share that idea if somebody is not in this space, quote, unquote, right? So if they’re like, oh, what are you talking about? You know, how do you? How do you share that idea? So thanks for thanks for walking through that visual as well.

Thomas Capshew 26:56
Actually, COVID has helped us with that a little bit. Because we now understand in ways that we didn’t before COVID, that respiratory droplets are what sends COVID from me to you. And they’re not anything that we can see. But we’ve certainly been able to verify that with science, right? And so then my, my being in proximity to your being has an impact, even if I can’t see it, right. And so you take that from the biology of COVID. And you put it into the energetics of physics. And, you know, anytime you’re in close proximity with anybody, your your atoms and photons are all mixed up together. And, you know, we know that intuitively. Right? You walk into a room, and everybody’s angry, you can feel it, right. You walk into a room and everybody’s having a blast, you can feel that. Right? You can’t necessarily measure it, because it’s energetic versus, you know,

Brandon Handley 28:22
that we can’t measure it because we haven’t developed the tools to do it yet. Right. Like, I mean, it’s, it’s really, it’s really kind of what it boils down to, right. There’s, I’m sure that there’s you know, I’m sure there’s somebody who’s working on it right now. Right? I’m sure there’s a prototype no doubt, no doubt. Um, one more thing, too, is is, you know, gone from a lawyer to a social worker, right? Why do that?

Thomas Capshew 28:46
Yeah. Why do that? Exactly? Well, because I wanted to follow my heart. I enjoyed practicing law. I was good at it. My last job was as an appellate Attorney for the Department of Transportation in Florida. And if you you know, you want to look it up. I my last case, was before the Florida Supreme Court, and I won that case seven to zero. And as it was estimated that I save the state of Florida, $660 million. So, you know, it wasn’t that I couldn’t do that do the work. It’s that didn’t make my heart sing. When I chose to go back to school, and I’d love to study I’m a lifetime student. When I chose back to go back to school, my attorney friends, half of them thought I was nuts, to go from law to social work. The other half were envious. Because they weren’t necessarily doing what they wanted to do, but they felt like they were stuck. So, you know, sometimes you just have to make a bold move and be courageous and say, you know, this is my life and I’m, I’ve got to live it the way that I think I’m, I need to live it, even if you make a mistake. And it wasn’t a mistake,

Brandon Handley 30:20
not not Oh, you know. And of course, you know, my first my first thought is I will not for you, Tom. Right. I know. So it worked out for you. And, to your point, though, too. I think that even if it’s a mistake, I did a recent interview where, you know, we’re just trying to talk talk talking at the end of the interview and, and she was just talking about whatever it was, she’s doing, developing into, like, you know, being making a living, I’m like, Look, worst case scenarios, like you’re doing something that makes sense to you right now, to your point, you know, following the heart song, let’s talk a little bit about that. Because that is one of the topics in the book is the heart song. So, which, which I thought I thought spoke out nicely. I think it came in yet right underneath of. And I like that typography of potential, right. So let’s talk about a little bit of what is the typography of potential and the heartsong.

Thomas Capshew 31:17
Okay. First, I want to comment about a mistake, because a mistake is only a choice that you’ve made that you haven’t learned from yet. Once you learn from edit, it’s no longer a mistake. It’s, it was maybe a missed direction, but it adds to your, to your path. riddle me

Brandon Handley 31:43
this one. I’ve seen this. I’ve seen this a lot of times, and like I’m in the hardcore Personal Development Series, right? I just say hardcore Professional Development Series for these people that like, you know, you know, grind and hustle people, right? But the idea that a mistake made more than once is done on purpose, true or false?

Thomas Capshew 32:09
No, mistake made more than once is you haven’t learned yet. Got from ionic standpoint, we, we create circumstances over and over again to heal ourselves. And sometimes that circumstance will re wound us. But that’s part of our energetic move forward is to try to create the condition that will create the healing.

Brandon Handley 32:43
Yeah, no, thank thank you for that. I, like I said, that’s one that always kind of irritated me, right? Just like, you know, who are you to make you to make that claim, right to be like, well, you made that mistake more than once. That’s on purpose. What are you talking about? Right? Like, how can you be so like, that’s, anyways, anyways. So typography, potential heartsong, let’s say,

Thomas Capshew 33:04
yeah, typography of potential each one of us is born is created by love and comes into the world with a typography of potential. Just like a typography map, there are things that we will easily be good at, and things that we will have to work like hell to be good at. So there’s valleys in our topography of potential as well as hills or mountains. So a good example is comparing my basketball skills to LeBron James basketball skills. I was born with a valley in my typography of potential for basketball. LeBron James was born with a mountain. So absolutely, he’s worked his butt off to get where he is. But he started with the ability with a lot of potential that he just built on to make him such a phenomenal basketball player. I, I would never have gotten there, because I didn’t have that preset group of skills. I had other skills that you know, I’ve worked to develop. So each one of us has that topography of potential. And our work is to develop a deep enough relationship with ourselves so that we can know what what that typography is so that we can find what I call our heart song, which is our heart song is that one purpose that we are on the planet to fulfill. Oh, you know, for me, it’s working with people To live up to their potential, you know, that’s, and it’s taken me a while to come to that, understanding that that’s what I was put here to do. And so developing different skills that helped me to live that heart song, you know, over time, what we’ve what we’ve done with people, we’ve, we’ve, as a as a species, we have wasted so much human potential. In fact, all of us, every single one of us will die without actualizing all of our potential.

Brandon Handley 35:39
I mean, and just pause there for a second. I mean, is that necessarily a bad thing? Is, is that a good thing? or a bad thing? Right? And like, yeah, let’s say that, you know, you’re doing all you can to maximize who you are? Or is it more to the sense of, there is always something more and greater that you can accomplish? Right? And regardless, regardless, right, so, inevitably, yeah, well, we’re all gonna perish leaving something on the table. Right. Is that? Is that kind of the thought there?

Thomas Capshew 36:14
Yeah. And, you know, I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing. But what I’m saying is that the way we’ve built society, is we really don’t work at helping people develop their potential. We work at it our schools, work at developing people to work for other people, instead of to follow their own dream. And so you know, who’s, who’s the next? Yo, yo, ma in, you know, a low income area of Chicago that won’t even know that for the their whole life because no one introduced them to a cello.

Brandon Handley 37:09
Right? Yeah. No, no, that’s fair. That’s fair. Yeah, that was something you had on in the book as well. It was it was talking about, I guess, coming along your path or opening up to your heart song. Or it might it may have been another section. And of course, this folks may, just because we talked a little bit about saying, you know, things may look bad right now, but they’re actually good. Right. And one of the things for me, it is turned out? Well, in this related sense of the story of your book, we’ve had to pull our kids from the educational system, right. And we’ve been able to teach them at home. And I’m very excited about it, because I recognize that we’re not like crushing little souls. Right, or, or trying to morph them into, you know, the, the solid and industrial line workers, right. So, for me, it’s very exciting, right to, to be able to kind of break a shackle as it were, and to be able to, you know, we talk about coming back to ourselves, right, by coming back to ourselves, but a big part and this is my opinion, right? A part of us coming back to ourselves is because we’ve been layered and layered and things that we aren’t by by the social conditioning, right? So if you don’t get socially conditioned, right, then who do you have to come back to, then you have the opportunity to live out your whole life as who you’re supposed to be? Right?

Thomas Capshew 38:47
Right. So imagine a world where every newborn was seen as God as seen as a divine being with unlimited potential. And our job as caretakers for that newborn is to help them develop there in a potential what, what kind of world would we have within five years mean that just think of the transformation where people would all be doing, what they love and what they were meant to be? And, you know, everything. My My belief is that if when we live into that world, everybody is going to be doing their heart song, and everything’s going to be taken care of, I mean, Providence, you can I, I could be a janitor and be singing my heart song or I could, you know, decide that I’m going to figure out a way to convert you human excrement into energy for, you know, whatever, right? That the possibilities are endless if we start with the idea that as parents and as caregivers, were shepherding in higher consciousness, when a baby gets born,

Brandon Handley 40:27
I think it’s interesting to think of it that way, right? To just realize that that’s the consciousness expansion, kind of come right in behind you. And it’s, it’s your, your job or your goal or if you put effort into it, then you can help accelerate that expansion. Is that how you kind of look at it. So you also bring up the idea, and I thought this was pretty cool too. And it really kind of relates to, to the whole thing, but the tsunami of acceleration, right, or the tsunami of consciousness, and kind of what we’re doing here and consciousness rising, always share a little bit of that. And I’d love to hear, you know, have you share where you see that coming into play?

Thomas Capshew 41:14
Well, the, the tsunami is just the, the volume of consciousness that’s coming into the world. So if you think about it, 50 years ago, we didn’t have a word for domestic violence. We didn’t, we didn’t have a word for child abuse. Those were concepts that have come into existence in the last few years. We are, we are accelerating the recognition of trauma and of wounds, that then we begin to heal by raising our consciousness and recognizing the way that we can treat each other that is a win win for everybody. And so that, that tsunami is happening. The The downside is, we’re also in a tsunami of, of information. We have never, it humans have never had access to as much information as they’ve had in the last, you know, every every year it grows exponentially. And so, the problem with the access to information is that it it requires our brain to process the information, our brain is also designed to look for danger. And so that’s where fear comes from. And so, there’s so much information that anybody can access a limited amount of information and go to fear. And that’s what happened. That’s what’s happening in our society is, we’re getting siloed into different information flows that create fear of each other. And stead of going to our heart where we access our Creator and the love of the universe. And our heart is the place that when we live out of our heart, then we see the expansiveness and the way that we can all win and all get along and live into our potential and live our hearts song. So, you know, there’s a couple of tsunamis going on. One of them is pushing us toward fear and one of us is one of them is pushing us toward love. And the great thing about being human, probably the the one thing I’d say is the most. The bait, the best thing about being human is we have choice. We get to choose, choose love, choose fear. You know, fear is of the head. Love is of the heart.

Brandon Handley 44:36
I think that the power of choices is it’s recognized and it’s often on recognized, right? So it’s like for one once you recognize the power of choice, you’re you’re you’re astounded, right but until you realize just how powerful choices the word and meaning seems arbitrary right? You know, because, again, go back to the you know, we you feel like you made all your choices yourself, but really you just accepted everybody else’s choices for you. Right? And then and then at a certain point, you realize, yes, you accepted all their choices, but now you can start to see and turned your knobs and whatnot for yourself right to make your own conscious choices, right. with intention purpose, for those outcomes. One other term that you have in the book that I really enjoy, is the dominator consciousness been no, you know, to me, that’s kind of what we’re coming out of, if we choose to look at it that way. But could you share what what that what that what that means?

Thomas Capshew 45:47
Dominator consciousness is what we’ve been embedded in for 1000s of years. And it is the sense that it’s important to have power over other people versus power among. And so what what’s happened is we’ve bought into the idea that there’s a limit to power, and resources and love, and all of those things are limited, when in fact, they are not, they’re unlimited. If we access power from our Creator, there’s plenty of power for everybody. If we access resources from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. If we access love from our Creator, there’s plenty for everybody. So the dominator consciousness perpetuates itself by creating scarcity. And then selling that resource to people. So for example, land is is scarcity, you know, is there’s a certain amount of land available and, you know, if you live in Northern Virginia like I do, you’ve, you’re gonna pay a premium for a piece of land, if you live in the northern territories of Canada, that same size land would probably be, you know, a miniscule amount compared to what it is in Northern Virginia. So it’s creating scarcity and then saying, Okay, well, I’m going to have power over you by marshaling resource and then not sharing it with people. So power among is understanding that we all have capacity to access our source of power and love and resources. And when you do that, you become a manifester, yourself and you you bring into the world, the things that are needed, and with your co creating with the Creator.

Brandon Handley 48:23
Yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s the part where you really know where you release that scarcity, where you release, release that restriction on yourself, right? And you open yourself up to the possibilities, right? And therefore you know, you you are this kind of goes back to you now you’re making those conscious choices now you’re in alignment with who you are. Now you start singing your heart song, right? And and, you know, you begin to kind of let it all in

Unknown Speaker 48:51
what is

Brandon Handley 48:54
what is like one practical tool that you would give to somebody who’s on the journey today.

Thomas Capshew 49:01
The most useful, practical tool that I suggest is to develop a practice where you go to your heart, where you meditate, and you access what I call the temple of your heart or the Sacred Heart. And from that place, you can access the resources of the universe. And so developing a relationship with your your interior landscape, as I call it, is probably the best thing you can do to find your path forward. Because our mind is what keeps us engaged with the exterior world that we see. And we aren’t going to find our passion and purpose out there. We’ll get a lot of people that will tell us what they think it should be. But only when you access your heart. Can you hear that? Quiet whisper of your heart song. And that’s the only place in the in the world that no one else can go to. But you? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 50:22
Do you have I think I think I’ve seen some meditations that you offer. Do you have a meditation that would somebody could experience like this?

Thomas Capshew 50:32
I do. There’s a on my website, which is Thomas kept shoe.com there’s a free, choose love meditation that you can download. And in the last couple of months, I got a bunch of meditations put up on my, in my shop. They’re they’re really expensive, though. They’re 97 cents apiece.

Brandon Handley 50:59
Oh, breaking the bank.

Thomas Capshew 51:01
Yeah, right. So what I do, I do a particular kind of meditation called x asis meditation. And the purpose of the next asis meditation is to shut down your mind and shut down your body, so that your consciousness can expand and move out into what I call the sea of possibilities. And so next asis meditation takes you, it’s a guided meditation that takes you on a journey to a place where you become one with everything. And then I’ve got a series where you, then I lead you back on a level zero, the level one you, you go to the sea of possibilities and spend three minutes and then I lead you back. level two, you go for nine minutes, and then I bring you back. And level three, you go for 27 minutes, and then I bring you back. And so the purpose is to develop the skill to be aware in your consciousness without having your mind intervene. So it’s, it’s a, it’s a bit. It’s theta brainwaves for those of you that are more into the science. We’re right now in beta brainwaves. If you close your eyes and breathe down into your diaphragm, you’d go into alpha brainwaves, which is light relaxation. Theta brainwaves is four to eight hertz, and that’s deep relaxation. And that’s where, you know, you come up with a lot of creative ideas and stuff like that. And then delta brainwaves asleep. So that phasis meditations are designed to have you hit that theta brainwave range and move out into your consciousness and leave your mind and body behind for a given period of time.

Brandon Handley 53:19
It’s always nice to lead the body time. Always nicely the body so just real quick, who would you say your ideal like client is if you’ve got like an idea of that.

Thomas Capshew 53:29
Um, my ideal client is someone who is self reflective and who knows that they’re they’re a spiritual being having a human experience but often gets trapped in the human experience. And so you know, my job is to kind of help them tip that scale over to where they can live their life knowing that they’re a spiritual being and everything they experience as a human experience.

Brandon Handley 54:07
Awesome. So if your ideal client is listening right now they should go to find more of you at Thomas capture calm or where were they find you?

Thomas Capshew 54:19
Yeah, that Thomas capture calm. I have, they can click on a free 30 minute consultation. So we can chat about what their needs are and what skills I have and whether that’s a good, good match or not. I’d also like to offer a free ebook to your listeners. So if if you want a ebook of consciousness rising, then you can email me at free ebook at Thomas captured calm. So make sure you got three E’s in their free ebook At Thomas capture calm and I’ll send you a download for the book.

Brandon Handley 55:08
I know we didn’t like to talk too much specifically about the book, but it’s definitely it’s an enjoyable read. I think it’s effective. I think it’s practical. I think that you know, it’s very it’s, it’s almost like a spiritual lawyer wrote it. Alright, so Tom, I want to say thank you so much for spending some time on spiritual dope today. We really appreciate you being here. Thank you for I’m really actually interested in your spiritual warrior book. I think that sounds like fun. And thank you for sharing this book with me and sharing it with the world with the work that you’re doing.

Thomas Capshew 55:44
You’re welcome, Brandon. And I’m really grateful for you having me on and all the work you’re doing to move consciousness higher.

Brandon Handley 55:57
And that’s where we’ll stop Tom. So I appreciate you

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Unknown Speaker 0:02
What is going on a BB, that’s me backing up, backing up into your life. So just checking in on you guys, then a minute, for a lot of things, and one of those things that has been a minute for my life is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu a little over a year, give or take some true practice in it. And when, when I was doing my podcast fatherhood for the rest of us, that’s when I started, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. And he used to do a thing called this thing called the BJJ report, right? Because I come out of there come out of it, too, so pumped up and energized, really, really using my body. And, you know, connecting connecting with myself. In the divine mindset, divine framework that I have set up. A big part of how that originated in generated was through BJJ. And the idea is, when you’re kind of in the state of flow, which I talked about this numinous feeling, which is when you are in a state of flow, there’s this sense of time slowing down the sense of you being immersed. And all this surrounds you. And the, the idea of of newness is being a part of, of the all being a part of everything, as moving as one. And this is something that spills into again, this is something that’s in BJJ. Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for me. Of course, a big part of is when you first start off here, you’re doing nothing but struggling for survival. You are, You are just a white belt, you are just beginning your journey. And come hell or high water was choking you out in the morning, right? No one, so can you out or however repeatedly? You are, you’re getting choked out, you’re getting put in armbars. You are You, you don’t know what you don’t know. And so you repeatedly put yourself into bad situations that are going to cause you to lose your rate of survivability is, is that a thing? Your rate of survivability goes down. And this applies everywhere. If you think about it, it applies everywhere. And until you enter and or have seen several of these moves. Many, many times. And you have experienced though, you will continue to flail, and you will continue to ride the edge of surviving. And that happens to us in all facets in all areas of life. And it’s not until you take the knowledge of what you’re being taught. And you apply it to where you are. And it’s got to go further than that. It works. You take the knowledge, you see it in action, you know how it’s supposed to work. You can tell somebody about it all day long. tell somebody about it all day long. So you can show people how to do it right. But the question is, Can you do it? Can you apply? And it’s when it’s when you apply it and then you see it working? And then there’s that that jolt of like there’s that you rica moment

Unknown Speaker 4:56
where it’s like wow, it’s actually coming together and There’s, there’s a, just the just these kind of grand epiphany is right. And the other 50 has a pineal gland. And just kind of like basically the the lightning rod getting hit. And I share all this because it’s been a while, since I’ve done some singles It’s been a while since I’ve felt the kind of motion and or emotion and or just something circulating percolating that I felt it was worthwhile sharing. And so the, the BJJ report, that’s how that’s what this is. And that’s just a part of my journey in the spiritual space too, because it was because of, and is because of BJJ, that I just started seeing all this stuff come together, and it made so much sense. The idea again, it’s not just the knowledge, the application of the knowledge, and then just general awareness. Going back to you don’t know what you don’t know. Well, how are you supposed to figure anything out, if you’re not aware of what the things are? new job, children, just life in general, the first time that you do a lot of anything, you’re gonna it’s gonna suck, it’s gonna it’s not going to be done to this high level of aptitude. They, what do they call it, like, the young, confident, incompetent, unconsciously, competent, unconsciously competent, and, you know, whatever competent does this kind of four levels. Were, even if you did it right on the first time, you’re not sure how you did it. It’s when you start repeatedly. Being aware of your situation, having had the experience of what those opportunities are, and the beauty of BJJ. And life really is that when you don’t hit the move, when you don’t defend against the choke, or yarn bar or the submission, and you get submitted, doesn’t matter. Doesn’t matter, you can contract you can congratulate the person next to you and

Unknown Speaker 7:35
you can get better. It’s not about stopping when you become defeated. In that situation. It’s about moving moving on moving forward, having that forward progress and having the spirit

Unknown Speaker 8:00
and the will to want to improve yourself, for yourself. And your your own well being and tying that all together, right by mine is spirit. I don’t know that there are, you know what, there are plenty of places to tie that all in together. Where I see it and learn from it the most currently is to be BJJ. However, you know if you can figure out that, at least the ways to get your, your mind and your spirit together at least you’ve got two out of three, but a lot of people can’t. There we go. A lot of people of course, always talk about the three legged stool, you need that third leg. So that’s the I’ve been missing kind of the third life because there’s not a whole lot of other exercise. For me. That works in the same capacity. Now you can be doing yoga, that can be your thing. Nothing wrong with that you can be doing bike riding your your triathlon, and you’re, you’re getting your steps in. But for me, this is one of the places where I can have the opportunity to have body mind spirit all tied in together as one, sharing the journey with you as we continue that that’s my spiritual dope. That’s one of my hits. Of course, you know, other hits include on the way home, see the family, getting getting the family time in and seeing everybody beyond beyond survival, right seeing everybody having survived through through this pandemic. And now coming out of it. There’s still plenty of places and you know that are not in an also spot but seen as Everybody comes out of it does this renewed there’s a, there’s a revitalization there’s a revitalization for for people seeing each other again, being able to see each other again. And, and evil. To live again. And I’m not saying that again, I’m not saying that we weren’t living in this past year, I’m not saying that you can’t live in any other way. You know, without people like, again, we were very fortunate, nobody got sick, and we were able to live, live in live in a pretty awesome way. That being said, seeing people out in public, and seeing people doing some type of normal normalcy. It’s this revitalization. And so coming out of, I guess, the darkness, we’ll call it, we get to experience and there’s a renewed appreciation for some of the things that we once took for granted. And so it’s my hope for you that you’re recognizing something similar like that in your life, and that you won’t take the, the these moments that you’re given for granted, right really relish these moments. I mean, there’s people out there that lost people, to COVID. And so they don’t get to experience those moments again. But going forward, they will really appreciate the time they get to spend with their loved ones more. And being able to be with with their friends, again, being able to experience some of those moments. For so long, kind of held us hostage, either physically or mentally, in a scarce scarcity mindset, a fear mindset. So if you made it, you made it through there, you know, recognize that you’ve been given the opportunity to continue to

Unknown Speaker 12:23
enjoy it and have a great life. And hold on to it for a moment enjoy. What is it? What is this going to bring to you in these offices,

Unknown Speaker 12:36
all of this is just kind of brought to you by being able for me to be able to get back into optimization just to take a moment and put it all together, getting out of strictly survival mode. And being aware of this kind of what else is out there being aware of what else is available. And having some extreme gratitude for that. How grateful Am I that I get to have this experience and life experience? So hopefully for you, you’re enjoying yourself, you’re enjoying life you’re enjoying. Whatever it is your spiritual Zopa is the golf courses are open, spring is open. Your life could be taken off in wishing and with the best and enjoy your spiritual death today.

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It was great to sit down with the author of “Sight Beyond Sight“, Raine Dalyrmple as we cover many different grounds on spirituality!

Have you ever thought that you had a particular motive when you were born? Do you feel that you’re capable of living way more through spirituality? You’re doing your daily chores, but something feels empty and left out? People like living the same monotonous life and choose mediocrity every day. But you realize you can do way more and are capable of achieving greater heights?

Here’s the hard truth: you can so much more; you just have to realise it.

In this episode, we are joined by Raine where she talks about his experience with consciousness and the more significant sources.

Tune in to this episode to learn more about this whole new array of things and how to get your hands on it.

Here are three reasons why you should listen to the full episode:

  1. Understand the different ways consciousness can affect your lives.
  2. Discover the importance of the more significant source or, as everyone calls it, ‘God.’
  3. Learn the significance of practising consciousness and seeing more than the material world.

Episode Highlights

[01:00] Introduction

  • Raine has spent about two decades in the education and teaching department in different genres.
  • We are all evolving every day, and hence what we were yesterday might not be what we are today.
  • To believe is the biggest thing you can do, not only for you but also for the people in your lives.

[04:04] Believing 

  • It doesn’t matter what phase you come from or what religion you practise; we’re not alone.
  • The source is the supernatural superpower that helps us live a better quality of life. 

[07:04] Role of Consciousness 

  • Consciousness is the ability to be able to comprehend what is going around us entirely.
  • Raine talks about how she realised her abilities from her trauma in her 20s.
  • She describes the concept of the threefold plane.

[14:50] Paranormal Experiences

  • Experiences that defy logic.
  • She tells the story of her experience with angels from when she was pregnant with her daughter.
  • She also talks about the visions she experienced from the source, which eventually lead to them being an inspiration for her book.

[19:32] Merging Worlds

  • Raine talks about how it wasn’t her goal to get here, but now it brings her gratitude, realising where she is. 
  • You get what you ask for.
  • When you start incorporating it into your life, you start relating to other people more.

[26:44] Books and Courses

  • She started writing about nine years ago.
  • You have to understand the barriers, the blocks and become a better person through realisation. 
  • If you work towards something without eminent pressure, you will be able to do it.
  • The book walks you through different aspects of life and makes you realise things.
  • To be human, we need that interaction with people. This is what Raine achieves in her different programs. 
  • She explains the practical experiences given in her book. 

About Raine

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To spiritual highs,

Brandon

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Brandon Handley 0:00
All right. Okay, ready? 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope on here today. We’ve got a very special guests. We’ve got rain Dalrymple. Let’s get right to it, right

Raine Dalrymple 0:15
certainly did.

Brandon Handley 0:16
Yeah, good, good. It’s just got a it’s got a spelling. It was confused me rain. And so thank you for I butchered quite a few names coming on.

Raine Dalrymple 0:26
Well, often what I often what I’ll do is in you’ll notice in my book, I just write rainbow, because it’s way easier to me.

Brandon Handley 0:35
What’s the what’s the origin of that last name? Like? What’s, uh,

Unknown Speaker 0:38
what was it?

Raine Dalrymple 0:39
I believe it’s some Scottish and I think there’s some English and French in there. Okay. Okay.

Brandon Handley 0:46
Good to know, good to know. So rain, you and I, you know, you’re an author, you’re a teacher, your your number of things, but like, you know, if you know, for this podcast, what would you tell people? Who How would you describe yourself? You know,

Raine Dalrymple 1:01
I would say that, you know, I spent a little over two decades in education and in the helping profession working with all genres, like persons with disabilities, daycares, ex offenders, women, men, there isn’t really, you know, any genre I haven’t worked with, I don’t I don’t think. Um, and so now, I’ve taken all of that information and that growth on a professional level, as well as my own personal growth in my own life experiences. And I’ve pulled that all together. So I would basically say that I’m, you know, an author, content creator, visionary. But that’s good for now. There’s lots in there and intuitive.

Brandon Handley 1:51
For sure. I love it. I love it. Thanks. It’s a sometimes like, sometimes the BIOS that, you know, we share back and forth, they don’t really catch the essence of who you really are, like all the time, right, that they read well, for sometimes, like, Who are you really? Right. And I actually

Raine Dalrymple 2:09
did tell you the truth, I hate writing them, because it’s like, Okay, how much do I say I do? And how much do I leave out? Because it can tend to go on and be dry? And you’re like, sure. Yeah, you just you don’t want to hear all of that. Right?

Brandon Handley 2:24
It all It all depends, like I said, when it’s in when it’s in writing, it’s I think you can take it in a little bit faster to write and then like, when you when, you know, how can you be concise enough to just deliver the essence of who reign is right.

Raine Dalrymple 2:38
So thank you. Yeah, for sure. And we’re all we’re all, you know, we’re in this evolution. You know, we’re maturing, and we’re growing in everything we do every day. Right. So what we were yesterday, we may be something different tomorrow. So yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:54
absolutely. I couldn’t agree more. So like to start these off with the whole idea. You said, you know, you’re an intuitive. And, you know, you’ve seen angels, and so you’re no stranger to kind of opening yourself up and connecting to source. And I’m going to ask you to do that to share a message right now to a listener that could only come through you today, right now, in this moment through source, what’s that message? Say? Right?

Raine Dalrymple 3:27
I’d say the message would be to believe that would be the biggest thing that you can do, not only for yourself, but for the people in your lives. And and also for for the angels and, and the universal source that exists.

Brandon Handley 3:48
So to what and so if I believe in that, and for myself, I like that. And for for the people, right? How does that extend to two people?

Raine Dalrymple 4:03
Well, really, what it’s saying is that it doesn’t matter. You know, what faith you come from what religion you believe in? And then let me just say they’re in the benevolent realms. Not in the malicious for humps, although it is all energy. It’s all the same energy, energy is energy and it’s alive. But what we really want to understand in our own awareness is that we’re not alone, right? We’re not here alone. We’re not even when we are alone. We’re say living in our apartment by ourselves. We’re never truly alone. Because we have source which is God’s source, the divine, whatever you want to call it. I mean, again, those are labels, right? And we’re language people, right? So we have to attach some kind of a word to it. But source is source and source is an energy. That is the superpower is a super conscious power source. And so when we tap into that, we come to understand and learn what the role of consciousness is, and how it can function in our lives to help us to live a better quality life.

Brandon Handley 5:23
Now, you know, a lot of good things in there, right? Obviously, right? You hit on, especially the benevolent realms, right? Just trying to see what kind of good source can bring to us, right. And especially if we believe in source as being benevolent, we can do that for ourselves and for others. The idea of not being here alone, just as you spoke about not only being connected to source but you know, potentially angels or other others, right. Always, always interesting to hear that we, as humans, can only see like less than 1% of natural light anyways, or the full spectrum. So there’s 99.99% that we’re missing out on. And he hit on to like, what is the role of consciousness was, you know, I know that this is something that’s, you know, going to be big for you, in your book and sight Beyond Sight? Is, is consciousness, how would you? How would you? What would you say consciousness is because I’ll just give you kind of like, where I get twisted, I still get twisted on it, right? Like, I’m always like, consciousness of of what right? Like I’m, when I’m conscious of something, I’m aware of something. And what that something is, can be any number of things. But then when we refer to you and I, in this conversation, consciousness, we’re speaking of this greater consciousness, this collective consciousness, what are what are we saying? or What are you saying? And when you say,

Raine Dalrymple 7:02
well, consciousness is the ability to be able to see that there is more to us than you touched on it. You talked about the human condition, right? In a sense, you said, our humanity. So yeah, we can go about our day, and we can live our day, no problem, without being fully conscious that there’s something more out there than what we’re seeing, because we have to remember that we’re living in the 3d world, which is we, we believe in what we see, right? We see the table in front of us, we see everything in the materialistic world. And so that’s what 3d basically is, it’s living in that cerebral world, of like our left brain perspective. So you know, strategy, logical, that sort of thing. When we’re talking about consciousness and becoming awakened to it. Now we’re starting to see more than what’s in front of us more than just the table in front of us more than the room that we’re able to see in a spiritual realm. And we’re able to hear, feel, see, and sense spirit, right. So it’s all about when we are able to do that, first of all, we want to become aware of it, and we become aware of it. being introduced to it in a lot of ways, some people are introduced to it, you know, by attending a church revival, some people are introduced to it by sitting in a sweat at a sweat lodge, some people are introduced to it by, you know, just surviving, surviving a vehicle accident. There’s a lot of ways that were introduced to it. Some people are born with that psychic intuition. I’m sure you’ve heard of that. And your listeners have heard of people talk, you know, Sylvia Browne, and, you know, those sorts of people that said, they always knew since they were three or four years old, and they were getting messages. My my recollection, didn’t, I didn’t really start feeling that happening for me until my 20s. And I, you know, I talked about that.

Brandon Handley 9:21
Yeah, I think in your story, right. You mentioned though, that you had something occur when you were younger, but you didn’t recognize Yeah, till later in life. Let’s talk a little bit about that. Because, as you’re as you’re talking about the introduction to it, right,

Raine Dalrymple 9:37
yeah. I didn’t go. I didn’t go deeply into a lot of the trauma that I experienced in my life in the book because that wasn’t the object of the book. I do talk about trauma. I do talk about difficult times, but I always want to bring that back around to Okay, yeah, that happen. Shit happens, but how can we fix it? What can we do to Change that what can we do to change those blueprints that happened to us, you know, in those childhood years, or if say, you know, a woman is, you know, raped when she’s, you know, going out to her car in the grocery parking lot or, you know, like we you know, there’s things that happen in life that are not very nice in there pretty ugly. So what happened to me when I was about five, I had a trauma happened to me. And I, I just remember feeling my my soul, lift off my body, kind of like, come forward a bit, a few a couple of inches, and then lift up, out through the top of my head. And I’m sure some of your listeners have heard of people that have died on the operating table, and had that similar type experience. And I just remember I went by slipped through the crack in the, in the ceiling. And when I, when I did that, I was out into the other room. And I could see all around, but I couldn’t hear anything. It was like I was buried in this hole, and I could not hear anything. I’m like, it just there was there was no sound, it was just like dead air. And then I slowly, I don’t know how long I was in that state, you know, kind of floating. And then I went back through the crack and slipped back into my body. And so nothing really, you know, paranormal happened to me for many, many years that I can recall. Until my 20s, I started questioning why I was here, questioning my purpose, trying to understand what is what there’s got to be more to life than this. And as I started opening myself up, right, in that awareness, then I started having a lot of these really strange experiences. And so that’s sometimes how it can happen. A trauma can trigger us to have an experience. And then that then opens up what is often known as the threefold flame, which is within us. So when we say yes, there’s something else out there in that in that big old, universal world, that is all empowering. It’s also within us, and that’s what people that’s why it’s so important for people to read my book, because they’re gonna get it when they read those stories. And they’re, they’re gonna go, oh, okay, whether you’ve had no experiences ever in your lifetime, or you’ve had experiences, there’s going to be something in there for everyone, they’re going to get it and they’re going to go, yeah, I actually have felt that warmth, you know, burning inside of me, or when I lay down to meditate, I can feel that energy, that that flame that’s alive within me. And that’s the connection to, you know, that superconscious. Divine that we know that we call God, most of us.

Brandon Handley 13:10
Yeah, no, that’s awesome. Right. A couple couple questions I have in there. Let’s see, I guess kind of walk it backwards. And, you know, listen, I agree at least that, you know, having felt that warm. Having been in that scenario, that’s a that’s a, just a wonderful connection that you can you can experience them in so many different ways. So if you’re teaching people how to do that through through your coursework, that’s amazing, right. I think that that’s, you know, highly valuable. And we’ll talk about some of the benefits that as we kind of move forward, but what is I’m not familiar with the threefold flame, what is that?

Raine Dalrymple 13:48
That’s a Christ consciousness. experience. So it’s, it’s it’s a it’s an energy source of God. And so it’s the threefold flame of love and light and power in a positive way.

Brandon Handley 14:11
Okay, no, thanks for sharing it. I’d never never heard about it. So I’d like to I like the imagery and kind of the application and again, yeah, together then you’ve kind of got this. This kind of, like, inner sun as it were, right? Exactly.

Raine Dalrymple 14:28
Yes.

Brandon Handley 14:30
So you’ve also made reference to a couple times even before we got going, you know, paranormal experiences. Um, and and it was funny because you said you know, you, you asked me if I’d had some paranormal conversations on here. I guess I had never really put it into that light. Right and thought about it is paranormal. I’m just like, well, this is just one person’s experience. That’s another person’s experience, and I never done the paranormal at it. What would you consider paranormal just so I can Yes, and we can understand that a little bit better.

Raine Dalrymple 15:02
Well, paranormal are experiences that we have that belie logic. So, for example, when I was pregnant with my daughter, I had gotten up in the middle of the night to use the washroom. And when I walked out of my door door, the doorframe of the bedroom, the bathroom was over to the left, and I saw something sitting on the top of the stairs to my right. And, you know, you’re half asleep. So you know, you just kind of like, like, looked. And when I did this double take there, on the top of my stairs sat an angel, and I could clearly see and feel that it was a male, on his back was to me, and I could see the wings and the white. And then, you know, as quickly as I looked, he was gone. Right. So it was, definitely, because I was worrying, you know, most mothers that are pregnant at some point in, you know, those nine months, they, you know, they are often concerned, they want to have a healthy baby, and, you know, those sorts of things. And, and I just took that as a very positive sign that he was just letting me know, everything was going to be okay. Right. So that gave me that sense of peace. And that is, is often you know, when angels come to us, that’s their role is to encourage us to bring us that piece to help us to, to not worry to not, you know, having xiety and to trust, right to trust that everything will be okay.

Brandon Handley 16:42
Well, I would like it if an angel or two would show up and bring me a little sense of peace and encouraged. So, you know, it’s funny, like, I guess that’s just because they’re the paranormal. I don’t know, if I ever did or I just, again, to me, it’s just your experience, right? You’re you You’re, you’re open to receiving that, right? So so you’re capable of it, right? If you’re open to it, then you’re capable to see it and receive it. And, and for you, it’s easier to believe, right? Especially as you have had, my guest is more than one of these experiences, as your you know, so you’re, you’re in your 20s, you’ve, you know, you have the introduction to kind of source and these experiences when you’re much younger, and now it’s happening much more often. And you’re in this kind of educational, organizational space, or you’re a professional,

Raine Dalrymple 17:42
right? Actually not yet Nika, because at that time, I was raising my children. So I was I was home with the kids, and I was, you know, doing laundry and making meals and that sort of thing. So I think it was the perfect scenario for source to come to me and all these different ways, you know, visions, I was starting to have visions, just like, you know, I’d lay down to, you know, go to bed at night, and all of a sudden, just visions would start happening to me, and I’d open my eyes, and then I closed them again, same vision would continue to happen until I let it play out. So, you know, it caused me to, you know, question What’s going on? First of all, what, why, why me? Why am I having these, these visions and to try to understand what the message was as well. Right. So, you know, I started charting my dreams to under, you know, better understand what was going on in my life. And, you know, it was really, it was really just, it was a school, essentially, from, you know, the divine was passing on to me to, to go through this. So that I guess, at some point, I could do this book and share it with people.

Brandon Handley 18:52
Right, so I’ll be part of a big part of what we’d like to do here is understand, right? How, just again, in your story, how were you able to incorporate I guess, your your connection to source and spirituality? I guess after you raise your children or got back into the workforce, like, how did you merge the two worlds, right? How did you merge the spiritual world with like, yeah, Hey, I got to show up at work today for this cup of coffee and then type my TPS report.

Raine Dalrymple 19:29
Right, right. Well, what’s interesting about all of that was that wasn’t my goal plan. In the beginning. It wasn’t to, to teach in that way. I was I was brought into that world through opportunities and doors that open for me. So again, you know, that brings us to this place of gratitude because we realize a lot of times things that we do Experience aren’t are doing, they’re there, they’re from, from a higher power that is guiding us and directing us. Now, keep in mind at anytime you can say no to any of it just like you yourself friend and can say, you know, I would really like to have an experience, like, give me something here. And when you ask, eventually you will start to have experiences that might start small, where you say, you know what, you know, if you really do exist up there, source, show me I want to see feathers, I want to see feathers, and lots of them. And you know, there’s a couple of feathers stories are one at least that I shared in the book. And so you know, you might end up you know, waking up in the morning and you making your bed and all of a sudden, all these feathers come flying out of your pillow and you don’t own a down feather pillows. So how in the heck did they get in there. So this is just kind of the fun way that sometimes they, you know, show us these signs, because they really want us to believe they really want us to know that they’re there and to to also ask and to lean on them to help us. So, you know, you can ask, right? I guess it kind of got Oh, okay, so you were asking me, I get off track on these stories. That’s okay.

Brandon Handley 21:15
So the biggest the biggest part, right of a lot of this is, once you’ve had a spiritual experience, it’s really hard as hell to get grounded again. Right. And it’s really hard to go back. Right, right. It’s hard to it’s hard to say, Okay. Yes, I’ll go to work today. Right? And I guess, you know, so how, you know, how were you able to have that experience, and continue to stay in, you know, connected to source and then integrate into? Well, we’ll just call the real world for now.

Raine Dalrymple 21:53
Yeah, for sure. So, you know, as you mentioned, we’re, we’re, we have this human body, but really, we’re a spiritual being, you know, functioning in the human body. So, you know, you’re going to work and you’re, you know, you’re taking care of youth, or you’re, you’re, you know, when when I was at the time, when it’s, you know, started progressing, and I started incorporating it, I was working with persons with disabilities. So, when you think of it, it was very helpful, in a sense, because it really helped me to interact and relate with the girls much, much easier than if I were functioning out of this real word, man, real world mentality. And then fast forward, you know, down the road, and, you know, working with children, and, you know, they’re just like, they’re just like, everything is amazing to them, right. And they’re just bundles full of love. And then, you know, working in, you know, helping people with life skills. So now you’re incorporating the imagination, you’re incorporating creativity, you’re incorporating all of these wonderful tools and skills that are opening and awakening the people that you’re teaching. So, for me, it felt like it was very easy to incorporate the two, because now you’re living that world, like you’re living in that world, you’re living that life, you’re incorporating the two in your own life, into your own world. And so then it therefore becomes very easy to talk to other people about it, and to share and to help them to see their own value, you know, as a spiritual being. And I don’t mean religion, that’s not what I’m talking about, just as a person that can see possibility in their own lives. Right?

Brandon Handley 23:50
Absolutely. Right. How can we, how can we show someone the greatness that’s within them? Right? And in a sense, I recall, I recall when you first started into this space, right, feeling this way and feeling that everybody has that within them, right? Everybody’s got it. And I recall going to I was at I was at a convention, and I was talking to people I was like, Well, you know, we can talk about what it feels like to step into the greatness of who you are. And man, the looks I was getting, and people were like, What are you talking about? I was like, and as they say, there’s an uncertainty to believe that there’s greatness within you, right? Or what’s or even doing, or there’s an uncertainty to recognize that what you’re doing today right now in this very moment is great. Yes. Right. And so I think it’s very shameful that that we can’t see this for ourselves, right? That’s

Raine Dalrymple 24:55
and it’s amazing that you shared that with those people because I mean, as such If you you look across the world right now, like many people are still asleep, you know, even after this whole year of the madness that’s going on, we are still asleep.

Brandon Handley 25:10
Yeah. So here’s I think, I think here’s what kind of sucks in my mind is that we’re also who were we’re in the midst of like this this quote unquote woke culture thing too. And I think that there’s, you know, there’s, there’s, there’s this like woke culture to, you know, I think racism and schism, right. And then there’s also this woke culture of spirituality wokeness, or awakening. But then there’s also this idea to rain, you know, just kind of bear with me, I so I hate the idea that like, you know, now we say, you know, awakening or something like that it gets kind of tied in, it’s tied into that now we got to disassociate from like, kind of the headlines in the media to just to discern that what we’re talking about here is like a spiritual awakening, or awakening, not even a spiritual awakening, awakening to the greatness of who you are waking up.

Raine Dalrymple 26:03
I really like that. Yeah, right. That’s more accurate

Brandon Handley 26:06
wakening to who you are, and, and, and accepting that. But again, so this is something that you are facilitating, which is awesome, right? This is something you’re facilitating through your book and your courses, let’s talk a little bit about, you know, how you came to, you know, how you came up with the title of your book? And, you know, also, why now, why you thought those types of things right, so, how did you know what, what made you decide that it was time to start writing? And?

Raine Dalrymple 26:41
Well, it’s kind of a funny story, because I actually started the book, probably, oh, probably about nine years ago. And it’s probably To be honest, it was probably more than that. So what happened was bachlin, you know, we first had computers, and they were like, the dinosaur computers. I had been, you know, typing it up on there. And I had given a copy to my Google my Google room, I met one of my mentors. And I said here, you know, like, it was like, maybe a chapter there. And I said, you know, can you give it a read and see what you think of it? And like, not too soon after that my computer crashed, and I lost everything. Right? So I thought, Well, okay, no problem. Like I first I was really upsetting. And I gave him a copy, I’ll give them a call. And I’ll, well, just what he lost it. And I was just like, beside myself, because I thought, What am I going to do now? Like, how am I going to get those words back. So you know, I sat down and kind of tried to recall what I could. And then I had taken on, I had moved to a different province and I had taken on working two jobs for quite a number of years, I did that often on, you know, working two and three jobs. And so I didn’t, I didn’t have time to work on it. So I put it up on the shelf. And then when I did finally pull it out, again, that would have probably been about six years ago, and just kind of jotted some things down. And then really seriously, two years ago, sat down in the winter and just did a whole pile of writing, then picked it up just a little over a year ago. So you know, just before all this madness started happening, I thought, you know what, I’ve got to get this done, something was just pressing me, I’ve got to get this done, I’ve got it, you know, whatever happens, I’ve got to get it done. So I too, have found it very intriguing about the timing, because it’s just so relevant to what’s going on right now. And I think more than anything, you know, you speak to, you know, the reality piece and the spiritual piece. And really, the book is about bridging those two together, you know, because we do need, just like both sides of our brain, we’ve got the logical side and we’ve got the creative side, we need the two to converge to function, you know, in, in a, an optimum fashion, right. So, you know, bringing, bringing those two elements together. And again, it’s it’s like you talk about it’s we are all unique, and each person through these experiences through the growth through the transformation, you know, through understanding what their limitations and their barriers and their blocks are. And the personal development growth that they go through is what is helping them to be to become a much better person happier for themselves and within themselves because a lot of stuff happens in life. We’ve got relationship stuff with family members and exes and you know, jobs you know, job loss and loss of, you know, grief and loss of People in our lives and pets that we’ve lost and all of those things that happen that really pound on our, our soul self, and really cause us to lose that fire inside of us and that hope. And that faith, like on the cover of my book, I say hope where there is no way make away. Right. And that’s what I want people to learn is that, you know, it doesn’t mean we’re going to be successful at everything we tried. But the fact that we’re taking those steps forward, and we’re moving forward in that tenacity, and determination, and perseverance, those are the things that help us to create a much better person, and a much happier person. Because now we can say, you know, you know, I did this, I, I wanted to learn how to play squash or I wanted to learn how to canoe or I wanted to, you know, get on a team and learn how to, you know, and be involved in racing, you know, kayak racing, whatever it is. Just throwing some examples, though, you know, work so, right,

Brandon Handley 31:07
because I think that,

Unknown Speaker 31:10
you know, we leave,

Brandon Handley 31:12
we leave ourselves for too long, and then we get back to ourselves and like, I would love to go do this, but, or, I’d love this, but we get lazy. Yeah. Or we say, All right, I’ll give it a shot. And then, you know, when we find that we’re able to accomplish that thing for me, for example, it was going to do a triathlon. Right? Like, I was like, You know what, I’m gonna give it a shot. I’m just gonna, you know, we’re gonna go do a triathlon, and yeah, and rain. I was not an active guy was not right. I was actually I was not an active guys. So it took a little bit of training a little bit of time. And I went, I did it. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 31:53
wow,

Brandon Handley 31:55
you know, pretty good. And I’ll do another one. So I did a couple more. Right. And so having that experience of this thing that I never thought I saw myself doing, and then just getting up and going and doing it. And it wasn’t even hard, per se, right. Like, I mean, right. But I was wore out, don’t get me wrong, but it wasn’t hard. You just it just took going and doing it. Right. And working towards it. And and, and this, I think I think I think that one of the things that’s great is that if you work towards it without like this imminent pressure on yourself to succeed, just to go do it, right, just to go do it. Yeah, is enough.

Raine Dalrymple 32:35
Yeah, you can’t be active in the present moment, right. So you were you made a decision in that present moment. Instead of Couch Surfing for the night, watching another movie for the seventh night in a row, you’re gonna get it on your own, you’re gonna do it,

Brandon Handley 32:49
I binge, my fair share of Netflix, I know, I’m just like everybody else out there. But there are certain things that I’ll get up and I’ll go to just a little bit differently, that gives me a sense of purpose, or a sense of contribution to the larger part of ourselves, like you were talking about, like where our body and our spirit and we need both, I think the one thing that gets the most neglect is our spiritual self, which I want to have to go ahead and assert is the larger part of our being

Raine Dalrymple 33:20
well, and they’re all interconnected. So you take your example. You said when you were done? Yeah, it was it was a little bit of hard work, but it wasn’t like so hard that you couldn’t do it. And you actually felt really good after you, you know, those, you were alive, you felt alive, you were in that present moment, and you showed yourself with determination and commitment, you can do it. So that that really it can feed the ego but in a positive way. Right? It but it fed that that whole aspect of who you were, and you looked at yourself, and you went, Wow, I did that. Right. I actually accomplished it. And it just, it gives us a better sense of who we are, and that we can achieve anything that we set our minds to. It’s just to follow through.

Brandon Handley 34:12
Right, right. Yeah, it’s pretty much just a follow through and just just to go do it. So you know, you’ve got storytelling and some practical thoughts and some other you know, awesome stories inside of sight Beyond Sight. You’re gonna walk people through you, you’re gonna walk the reader through some journeys and some specific stories that will help them kind of come alive and recognize that they too, absolutely have what you’re calling the threefold flame within them, right. And then you you you can get the book and then you also offer a couple different courses, right? You got a couple different programs, and if I’m not mistaken, is it the eight you they Key keys to consciousness consciousness is that going to be the one that kind of directly relates to sight Beyond Sight?

Raine Dalrymple 35:06
to quite a bit, a quite a number of the courses that are offered are all based on the keys to consciousness, because really what we’re talking about is everything that we’re talking about is is, you know, finding, finding who out who we are. Our own uniqueness. Core, for example, is chapter six, I believe five or six, I think it’s five. You know, it talks about, you know, nutrition and, and health and well being even myself, like, I have been so negligent with doing the, the exercise lately, the yoga isn’t happening, you know, nearly as often as it should. So I joined yesterday, actually, you know, a mentor that’s running a program for about 30 of us online. And so now, you know, I’ve got that commitment, right, the commitment to just as you committed to doing the triathlon, about that commitment, now, I’m committed, right, I’ve talked to him, I’m signed up, and now I’m committed. So you know, you know, at the end of two weeks, I mean, I’m going to feel better about myself, I’m going to feel happy that I contributed that time, to my physical well being and, you know, I can incorporate, you know, smoothies, and, you know, so we do as people, we need the interaction, you know, we’re finding that out big time in this last year, that we need that interaction with people, we need to be interactive. So I have many programs actually, that that I run. And if people want to connect with them, all they have to do is go to my website site, be on site.org. And I’ll, you know, I’m just starting to upload those on to there’s a couple on there now, but I’m just starting to upload those onto the website. so that people can, you know, whatever, whatever they need, they can get one on one coaching and support with me. Because truly, we are all so unique, that it’s I really like to I do really like to have like a free discovery session with with everyone that calls or contacts me, you know, via email, because I want to know where they’re coming from and what they need, there’s no sense of me sitting and spilling out a bunch of stuff that, you know, are my suggestions if it’s not going to help them. So what I do is I combine that intuitive piece. So you know, I do do the angel card readings, but I also Intuit I just grabbed it from the, you know, my guides and walk them through, you know, interact with them, to find out what it is they need, you know, some people come to me wanting to understand, you know, their past, they want to understand what they’re going through now. And they also want to understand what can they do going into the future. So that’s also, you know, a piece of that intuition that happens. So it’s just really a lot of like, you know, coaching, support, you know, supporting people in their own walk and in their journey. And, you know, I also, you know, I’ll be doing artwork, you know, creative art, you know, in zoos, and, you know, on lives, and all that kind of stuff, you know, I’m partner partnering with some other people, so that we can kind of give people a variety of services. So it’s, it’s really up to each individual, all they have to do is reach out to me, and then you know, we can take it from there we can we can grow from that point.

Brandon Handley 38:36
Well, that’s awesome. Right? So I mean, you have a lot of different options available for someone. So if I, you know, so my, my pathway to you could be could look like this, where I pick up the book, right? I read the book, and I find that it strikes a chord with me, right? I said, you know, rain, she’s got it nailed down, this is me to a tee, gotten everything, gotten everything just right. And then I’m like, Alright, well, I do want to know more, but I’m not quite ready to commit to a program or anything just yet. So I can come over to your site. And when I’m at your site, I can see over here, you’ve got your eight keys to consciousness, which you’re telling me it sounds like it’s kind of like a foundational course. Right? All the stuff that kind of we’re talking about here. So yeah,

Raine Dalrymple 39:23
like, you know, if some, when someone picks up the book and reads it at the end of each chapter, there’s a practical buoyancy section where there’s three to do tips. So it’s kind of a nice way to for them to segue into you know, taking action. You know, having running a salt bath and putting on some music there, you know, just simple tips. You know, doing a collage, you know, grabbing some scrap paper, you know, magazines around the house and creating a collage. You know, people are welcome to do that on their own right because these are just some practical tips that they can incorporate in Your own personal growth, right?

Brandon Handley 40:02
When was so just I mean, share with me a little bit of why I might want to do you know, a clause. And how’s that gonna? What are some of the benefits I’m gonna get from that?

Raine Dalrymple 40:15
Well, let’s just say, you know, right now a person is not happy in what they’re doing for work, they’re, you know, they’re, they’re not happy going to work every day, they’re really actually quite miserable, they don’t enjoy getting up in the morning, or you have someone who you know, is laid off right now. And they really, they really don’t know what direction to go in. So we know we can go online, you can go and see an employment counselor, and you can do these tests that kind of point you in the right direction. Or maybe you should be going to school for carpentry for the next, you know, number of years. Or maybe you could do this, or maybe you could do that. But there’s also this creative aspect that you can tap into. So you know, you get out a gripping piece of paper, and you grab a bunch of magazines, and and you just start looking through them, you start cutting out pictures that speak to you. And then when you go to put your collage together, you know, you’re gluing pictures, let’s just say, you know, I remember when I did mine, many years ago, I started noticing I was cutting out a lot of fashion, like a lot of women wearing like the big hats and Paris and, and you know, the really nice fashions. And when I got done, I thought wow, you know what, I guess it’s time for me to, to clean out my wardrobe and get rid of some stuff, and start incorporating some of these stylish new outfits into my closet, right. And that gave me a sense of confidence of self confidence. And I felt, you know, happy to get dressed up. And you know, where are the big earrings, you remember those days, the big earrings and, you know, the blue eyeshadow and whatever, whatever it was, but you know, it made me feel good, right. And it’s it helped me to see that we can create our image, we can change our image at any time, we can wear the suit and tie we can wear the hippie pants, we can we can be whoever it is that we choose to be. And we can change that that image. Right? So it’s all about growth. It’s all about that. That internal growth, right. And when you look on this clause, you can see, wow, you know, maybe maybe someone who was interested in carpentry didn’t realize they were but here, they were cutting out all kinds of decks that you could build for the summer and, you know, these like extended rooms on people’s houses. And they’re like, wow, like, I really, I might like, you know, doing something like that maybe I should look into, you know, being an apprentice in carpentry, right? So it just opens our eyes, it opens our eyes to other possibilities.

Brandon Handley 42:58
I like it, right? So it gives you the opportunity to kind of step away from the business of life. Kind of just open yourself up to anything really like if you as long as you’ve got like a collection of magazines, you just kind of you fan through it and pick out kind of whatever is stimulating you, right? And then and then you can kind of see down there we can call it like divine guidance if we want or just call it like a almost like a Ouija board except for like what you’re calling forth. It’s just like, what’s what’s piquing my interest these days where, you know, where should I be spending more of my attention, and then you you kind of see this picture unfold in front of you. And you could, you know, almost take a look at that as a divination tool, right?

Raine Dalrymple 43:50
Yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:51
So So, ya know, it’s interesting, if

Raine Dalrymple 43:52
you don’t have a bunch of magazines around, you can, you know, because we’re also tech savvy, you know, to a point, you can go online and you can just start pulling pictures, you know, off, you know, pixels and, and that kind of gives you an indication as well, you know, create a collage on your on your computer, right. So there’s a lot of different ways we can do it. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 44:13
I love that. So there’s a couple nice examples where somebody could actually just kind of go out there and do that today if they wanted to. So I love being able to share that. Another one that you’ve got another one of your courses here is the business business savvy empath. You know, talk to us a little bit about that because I think that, you know, that’s that’s a place where you know, a lot of people are in business, right. But not everyone in business is a you know, has empathy and or vice versa. The empath may be like, well, I don’t want to be in a business setting because they’re all gonna they’re gonna they’re gonna harsh my mellow. Right, right.

Raine Dalrymple 44:47
Well, the business of empath is just about how can I hack? How can I hack my imagination and my spirit connection, to better understand how I can run my business in a productive way. You know, it’s, it’s not only a logical, but it’s a creative again, those two, two facets coming together to help a person understand, you know, back in the day, you know, they talked about you know, when you’re climbing the corporate ladder, you know, in the, you know, there’s a lot of, you know, mean stuff that goes on when when that sort of things happens, you know, you’re stepping on people’s toes and that sort of thing. And when we, when we tap into, and when we’re showing how to tap into our own unique nature of consciousness, we realize there’s room for everybody, there’s room for everybody to be successful, whether it’s in, you know, a corporate company, or whether we’re running our own business. And, you know, it may get to a point where you are in the corporate world, which many people have been, and they’ve left that corporate world to branch off and run their own business. And so it’s just really tools and techniques of a spiritual nature as well as the logical nature that we look at, on how can we tap into what can best guide us to being successful? You know, in our, in our, in our genre of what we’re doing? Do we have blocks there? Do we have money blocks? Do we have? Are we do we have a fear of success, right? versus the fear of fear of failure. So all of those things play play into that, right? And just helping a person to, to personally develop themselves, which obviously affects our business world, right? Because, you know, it’s about walking, walking the talk, right? So whatever we’re doing in our personal world, you know, for sleeping until noon, and, and that’s okay, if that’s your schedule, some people are just not morning people, and they want to sleep until noon. And then they’re up till midnight, running their business, because of the nature of it. So it’s also coming to understand what is my schedule? What do you know? What, what is conducive for me? You know, so that’s just a practical way of looking at it. Right? And, and just also saying, Okay, well, if I want to, you know, I want to get up at six or 7am and beat beat the mad rush, and I want to get out knock on business doors, than I have to get up. You don’t have to get up at seven. So there’s, it’s just a lot of, basically, that course, is converging the two together to help it work for you.

Brandon Handley 47:43
think that that’s a that’s a great one right? For especially, especially new, as we talked about earlier is, you know, once you once you kind of hit that spiritual high, it’s really hard to come back down, right, and then you know, so sounds to me, like this would be something that would help somebody that’s had a spiritual high as like, Alright, let’s get to you know, reintegrated. Let’s take some of what you’re learning here of what you’re feeling and help you to integrate that into your, your daily work life. Yes, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that’s, that’s huge. Because I don’t think there’s a whole lot of that out there. So thank you for you know, being any one of the people that’s trying to, to get people to recognize that in themselves

Raine Dalrymple 48:29
for that pass. Yeah, help

Unknown Speaker 48:32
them to clean it up.

Raine Dalrymple 48:33
I mean, we know that we know it’s changing, you know, we know that the dynamics of work are changing. And the numbers of people working online has massively increased, and it will continue to grow. So, you know, some people don’t even know what they want to do yet. So you know, connecting with me and us just, you know, hashing over things and, you know, doing some strategizing and incorporating that intuition that can help to lead them into and onto a path that would be productive and satisfying for them to experience fulfilling right are all looking for fulfillment

Brandon Handley 49:17
that’s the gist of all this right the gist of the podcast is that and of itself, right? How do you again take your you know, your spiritual self or integrated spirituality, material, you know, all of it for a more fulfilling life? Right? And that’s, you know, so that sounds like what your sounds like what you’re sharing out there as well and trying to get you know, people woken to the you know, again, waking to the the greatness that they have within or at least to

Raine Dalrymple 49:49
be aware of it at least,

Brandon Handley 49:51
you know, recognizing the the light within the passion within the whatever, you know, whatever gets you up. Yeah, right.

Raine Dalrymple 49:59
Ever is gonna ignite All

Brandon Handley 50:00
right, ignite you and then you know, kind of kind of continue to fan that flame in, I would imagine a controlled way, right? In a way that says, Let’s, let’s direct us towards a positive outcome, and a good way for you to go forward, right? Because I think that we see a lot of that too. Where again, you get so high, you never come back down, right. And you know, you’re not able to apply that, bring it back down and share it with the rest of world and it gets kind of lost in the ether. Right? So thank you for THANK YOU FOR YOU KNOW, writing the book, thank you for creating these courses. Thank you so much for coming on the podcast, say to share, you know, what it is that you’re creating and bringing into the world today? Where, where should I send people to connect with you Ray?

Raine Dalrymple 50:48
Well, obviously, they can go to the website sight beyond sight.org, they can email me at sight Beyond Sight 222, at gmail.com, they can also give me a call or shoot me a text at 306-980-7758. Any of those, any of those ways that they want to reach out is fine. I do have some books left not many now from the pre sale package I bought, and I’ll be ordering more of the books so they can get the book directly through me. So all they have to do is message me and I can get it out to them right away. And they can also find it through freeze and press the freeze and press bookstore. And also through Amazon. My understanding Amazon has the price marked up a bit. But $8 I think so whatever, you know, whatever way that they, you know, see fit to, to order it, they can also get the E book through me directly. And if they do decide to sign up for, you know, the membership packages that I have the monthly membership packages, which are basically a $120 package for 4997. They can get the book free. I’ve done a lot of incentives out there.

Brandon Handley 52:05
Yeah. Sounds like it sounds like you’ve got a lot to offer. And, you know, for anybody that’s listening in today. Listen, I think that you know, Ryan’s got some really great materials out there that are really going to help you to open up to yourself and then also be able to apply it to wherever it is that you’re guided to.

Raine Dalrymple 52:25
Yeah, thanks so much for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed it.

Brandon Handley 52:28
Absolutely. Happy to have you on all right.

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