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After watching Dr. Srikumar Rao’s Ted Talk on Happiness several years ago, I jumped onto Amazon and bought his book “Are You Ready To Succeed”… in the beginning of his book, he tells you who it is for and the best way to approach it… I promptly put the book back down.

I was not ready yet.

Later that year I picked it up, created a mastermind and dove into the book with several others.

I have done this now for the past 4 years, and each time I read the book Dr. Rao surprises me with something else… it is a completely different book each time!

Finally, I picked up the phone and called his office… I had a great chat with his PM and she helped to secure an interview for the show.

This was absolutely one of the highlights of 2020 for me… and I hope that it is a highlight for you…

Just wait until you hear his introductory statement!

Check out his Creative and Personal Mastery Program here: https://theraoinstitute.com/learn/

The TED talk can be found here: TED Talk

The book that lead us here over here:

Enjoy the podcast!

Transcription is machine generated by Otter.ai

Brandon Handley 0:43
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with a very special guest Dr. Srikumar Rao, he is the founder of the Rao Institute and the creator of the pioneering course Creativity and Personal Mastery. Srikumar Rao helps leaders around the globe transform their lives so they can experience abundant joy, no matter what comes their way. Dr. Rao is a TED speaker, author and creator of the pioneering course creative and personal mastery. Yeah, I’m gonna throw a couple of pieces in here, most of my guests would have found you probably through mind Valley, or the TED talk that you and I were talking about. That’s how I found you to be hardwired for happiness. I’m so excited to have you here today. When Dr. Ron and I were talking here just a little bit before this, but Dr. Oz didn’t tell you, you know, there’s one question people always ask you, if you’re hanging out at the bar, and you can have one person that you could talk to? I think you’d make that list for me.

Unknown Speaker 1:40
Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 1:42
minority.

Brandon Handley 1:44
You know, just cuz the words not out, I guess enough about you and what you’re doing. Like I said, I always share your book with people who I think are along the way, whatever that means to them. So, Dr. Rao, how I like to start these out is is you and I, you know, we’re kind of, you know, source energy flows through us, right. And the idea is that, you know, the universe speaks to us, and to specific people that are listening to this podcast, or they’re watching the video, what is a message that is coming through you today that you would share with those people,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 2:15
the message that I like to share is that you are not who you think you are, which is a particular body, mind, intellect, complex, you identify with that. But that’s not who you really are, who you really are, is the omnipresent on this see, and ever present awareness that is beyond both time and space. And the biggest mistake that you made in your life is to identify with this particular finite entity and say, That’s who I am. But that’s not who you are. And it is your obligation to yourself to recognize that you have made this error. That’s a tough one.

Brandon Handley 2:59
Right? That’s a tough one. So

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:01
normally, I don’t go into this particular rabbit hole, certainly not this early, and certainly not in public. But there’s something about the conversation that we had earlier, which said, Hey, you know, let’s just do it and let the chips fall where they may

Brandon Handley 3:17
100%. I love I love that you’re bringing it up right there at the beginning? Because one of the questions I would have is, how do you recognize that right? Even if even hearing that somebody hears that, how do they go about rectifying that?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 3:32
That is a very good question. And the short answer to that is it requires both a lifetime of effort, and no effort at all. That sounds like a paradox. It is a paradox. And paradoxes are only resolved when you reach a higher level of consciousness than you were in when you created or heard that paradox. It’s a little bit like the protagonist in the book, The Alchemist, which is a wonderful one had to go all over the world to find out that what he wanted was right where he was. So it’s pretty much that way we identify with this particular body mind, intellect complex, but that’s not who we are. And there are countless sages and you know, realized beings who have pointed out the way one of the persons who’s had a profound influence on me is Bhagwan Ramana Maharshi, who was an Indian sage, who lived in the late 19th and early 20th century, mid 20th century, he actually passed away in 1950. And he has written numerous books, his disciples have written numerous books, which are transcripts of instructions that he gave. So he is a phenomenal source. He is recent, there are many persons who have observed and recorded his teachings that firsthand. So something that he says at some particular point in your Or evolution will suddenly make so much sense that he will stop almost as if you’ve been hit on the head with a hammer. And all of a sudden it will become completely clear to you. We have this mental chatter, which is this incessant talk going on in our head, you know, what is this guy saying doesn’t make any sense. You know, what does it mean? I’m not the body. Of course, I am the body. You know, all of that is mental chatter. And it’s always been with us mental chatter is like an unwelcome relative who showed up at your house, and you can’t kick him out. But we tend to ignore our mental chatter, suppressive work grounded to the best we can, despite that, and that’s a big mistake. Because our mental chatter really creates our life. We think we live in a real life we don’t we live in a construct. And we created that construct with our mental chatter and mental models. And once we recognize that, we’ll find, hey, if I don’t like what I am experiencing, I’m going to go in and change what I have created. And when you do that, you’ll find it’s possible to get to a point where every day is a blast, you get up in the morning, you’re profoundly happy choice, not because something happened, but you are so profoundly choice. And one day you discover that there is no you and there is only joy. So that is a life journey, if you will, but many stages, and even a very cursory application of the kinds of things that I share in the book, are you ready to succeed, will immensely immensely improve your experience of life? So the book that you created, right, and talking about these shifts, and these evolutions, and, you know, being being impacted by this gentleman, you mentioned there, you went through, you went through physics, right, you’re you you went to your physics and you went to marketing, then you went to academia. And then at some point, you decided, you needed to share this stuff out, you needed to teach this in the book, right? It isn’t so much a conscious decision as an evolution, because I was profoundly unhappy with what I was doing. Professionally, I was a Professor of Marketing and a great deal of what I was teaching. I really didn’t believe in didn’t believe it or not, in the sense that it didn’t work. It did work killer, I knew personally how well it worked. But I didn’t think it was good, either for the individual or society. To put it bluntly, I think a great many products are put on the market, which essentially, humanity would be better off, you know, if we didn’t have that, do you really need Cheetos, and many different flavors of that, and 14 different flavors of coke and, you know, to pay, so a lot of creative energy, a lot of resources are being poured into stuff, which is have marginal or even negative utility to society and individuals. So I had always been reading spiritual biography, mystical autobiography, and one day I came up with a bright idea, why don’t I take the teachings of the world’s great masters, which, incidentally, I resisted for a very long time, because I have a Western mentality. And I came from Missouri. So very show me was very much a part of my ethos. And I said, there must be a lot of people like me, so let me talk to them. Not from Peters, what do you got to believe? But let me talk to them from a viewpoint of why don’t you try it and see if it works in your life. And the thought of doing that made me come alive. So I did. And I created the course it did. Well, I moved it to Columbia Business School in 1999. And it exploded. It was the only course of Columbia which is a university wide draw that students from law school, from business schools, from the School of International Public Affairs from journalism, Teachers College all over the place. And then it’s spread by word of mouth. So I’ve taught it at many of the world’s top business schools at Columbia, at London Business School, and Berkeley at Kellogg, Imperial College. And now I teach it privately in New York, London and San Francisco. Obviously, all live classes are temporarily halted because of the pandemic. But you know, it’s not going to be around forever, and we’ll see what happens. I do a lot of corporate engagements. And I also have personal coaching clients. And I only work with clients who have a enormous desire to have an outsized impact on the world, they really want to make a dent in the universe. And at the same time, they also are aware that they are on a spiritual quest, and they want spiritual growth. And many of them think that they these two are in conflict, but they really aren’t. And how to show them that not only are they not in conflict, but they with each other synchronously and harmoniously, that’s what my coaching is all about. That’s fantastic. I

Brandon Handley 10:07
mean, again, like I told you the beginning here, that’s kind of how spiritual dope came about this podcast where it’s just said, Hey, you know, there’s an alignment here, that’s much greater than if you were to just initiate a personal will, if you will, right. So you can only get so far as a person. But how far can you get as a spiritual being? Right is kind of the mental shift. Right? That’s a, you talk a little bit about the mental models. So that’s the mental model that I’ve set up for myself, that I tried to share out the podcast, you talked about mental models, again, as a construct, what would be an example of a mental model? For you?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 10:48
Oh, sure. A mental model that I have is, oh, gee, there are people who are interested in what I have to say. So let me go pull it out. That’s the model. Now understand that we typically tend to think of models in terms of good or bad, or right or wrong, that’s the wrong way to look at it. Because every model at some level is false. You push hard enough, you penetrate deep enough, it’ll crumble. And every model at some level is true. Otherwise, it will have come into existence. So supposing you say the mood is made of green cheese. That’s the right and at some point, you know, there was a moon that was greenish, and it looked to be, hey, maybe it is made of green cheese. But that’s a marble that will crumble pretty easily, you know, with now, especially now, with telescopes, and people landing on that, and so on. So the thing about models is don’t look at it and say, it’s right or it’s wrong, whether it’s true or its false. The true test of a mental model is does it work for you? Does it work for you in your life now? And the answer to that is yes, you adopted you tinker with it, you make it even better for your personal circumstances? And if the answer to that is no, you drop it. So the test of a mental model is, does it serve you well, at this stage, whatever that stages, but of course, you’re always looking out for data to confirm your mental model. And if you’re doing that assiduously, you will find that many mental models you hold, do not serve you well. And once you recognize that, you drop it, you’re always looking for a better mental model until you come to a point where you drop all bottles, period.

Brandon Handley 12:41
That and one of the things that I realized reading about that in your book, was just the idea of being able to drop a model, because we’re so emotionally invested in our models, that we’re almost scared to let it go. Even if it’s not serving us anymore.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 12:59
You cannot drop a model models are like desires. You know, let’s say you’re a smoker, you can’t say I’m going to quit, stop my desire to smoke, the best you can do is say I’m going to abstain from smoking weed. Every time someone lights up, you see a cigarette or a cigarette, you’ll say, Gee, I wish I could have a cigarette, you can’t stop that is similar way you can’t stop or drop mental models, the mental model has to drop you, the desire has to leave you you cannot leave the desire. That’s a very important point that I’d like to get across.

Brandon Handley 13:34
That makes sense. I mean, that’s how drinking was for me, I’ll call it just kind of it just fell away. It’s no longer

Dr. Srikumar Rao 13:43
a drop away. And you no longer have even been designed to that. And then you know that you’re finally free of that Incubus

Brandon Handley 13:51
to be free. Don’t give us it is very liberating. Yes, right, very liberating. So I want to get back a little bit to the part where you were resistant to, you know, going forth with the course and even before that, resistant to some of these ideas that you shared in your book, if I recall correctly, your mother’s was fairly spiritual. And she would tell you stories, and you would you would resist the stories itself. Let’s talk a little bit about that.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:18
But I’ve come up with good counter examples and feel very proud when I came across really good counter examples.

Brandon Handley 14:25
So what would you what kind of what kind of things would she say to you? And what would your counter examples be? And then, you know, when did you finally accept those things?

Unknown Speaker 14:36
Well,

Unknown Speaker 14:37
you ever did,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 14:38
but I think this is one that I mentioned in the book too. She will always look at everything and look on the the what we would call look on the bright side. So and many of these states are, you know, part of I grew up in India, so it’s part of Indian tradition, the Hindu tradition, if you will. So there was a tale of I Man, and he was just taking a walk. And he saw this great big watermelon. And it was rolling around in the field. And there was a, a cherry tree or a palm tree or something like that. And, you know, there were all these fruits high up. And he said, Isn’t that silly, you know, you have this tiny fruit and his way up or a big strong tree. And here’s this huge watermelon and it’s on a wide and the ground. That is silly. And then he went to sleep under a tree and a tree fell on his head. And he looked up and said, Oh, if I had been a watermelon and get a say, that was given as an example of God, or the universe has wisdom in them. Right? I looked at that and said, Yeah, okay, that’s so what about coconuts? And what about durian at that time, I used to be in Burma. And durian was a very favorite tree fruit there. And the durian is a great big, prickly fruit exactly like a jackfruit. And, you know, it grows on a tree high up, but it probably weighs around 20 pounds, or more and high up on a tree and Dorian drops in your head, you’re not going to get up and stop thinking philosophically, you’re gone. And similarly, a coconut, you know, if it’s in case, you take fibrous shell, and coconut drops in your head, again, you’re not going to walk, you wake up and start talking, thinking philosophical words. So immediately pointed that out. And my mother shook her head and didn’t say anything. Because she knew I wasn’t there. I didn’t know I wasn’t there, I thought that I just want a brilliant debating point. And I was very, very pleased with myself. So that’s the kind of thing she was always telling me stuff, which I was pushing back against. But something over she said, Actually muster seep in, because all of a sudden, it came together and came together extraordinarily powerfully.

Brandon Handley 17:07
Yeah. So I mean, I had a very similar experience. You know, my mother was always talking about being being aware. And it was all about awareness. And, you know, as you were talking about earlier, you know, I’m very well, there I am, right, there I am, I can touch and feel and see myself, what else do I need to be aware of. But you know, 40 years later, it all kind of like a rubber band into the back of my head at all, it all finally made sense. And it sounds to me, it was kind of similar for you were all the things that your mother had been teaching you at some point, boom, there it was. And did you ever did you ever have reached out to her and say you were right,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 17:43
towards the end of her life, she got a sense of that. I’m really very sorry that she had passed on before she had just started teaching the course at Columbia. And then she passed on. So she never knew how successful it became or all of the other things that happened after that. And, you know, that’s one of the regrets of my life. But she is somewhere where she knows all about this anyway, because she’s nodding her head and saying, See,

Brandon Handley 18:14
I told you so. I said, you’d be lucky. What is it one of the Dorian fruits don’t drop out of the sky?

Unknown Speaker 18:20
Yeah.

Brandon Handley 18:22
So so you know, one of the one of the interesting things that I find about your book? Well, a lot about it is interesting to me, but one of the parts is merging the the spirituality and the material. And he talked a bit about how, if you, I think I think you’re kind of talking about it with the marketing, right? If we’re just trying to sell these things, you know, there’s another color of toothpaste, there’s another thing of Cheetos. There’s another way to do it. And I think that that’s what you’re opening up to, right in the beginning of the book, we want to talk a little about like, how somebody should approach it that way, like looking for material and spiritual gains for people.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 19:02
When you’re looking for spiritual gain. A lot of people think that it is separate from spiritual, spirituality and materiality are two totally different things. But they really aren’t. We are stuck in this illusion. And there is a Sanskrit term for it called Maya. And Maya manifests itself as the world around and we’re striving in this world of Maya. And it’s perfectly possible for the US that striving as a mechanism for your growth. So let me share my view on life. And my view on life is the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And everything that is given to you is a tool which you use to work on yourself. That includes your job, your carrier, your partner, if you’re in a marriage, your children do the work you do, they’re all tools given to you to work on yourself. You use them as skillfully as you can, if you’re an entrepreneur, you run a company, you want your company to be successful, you want your employees to be happy to loyal, you want them to grow, and you try to be the best star employer you can be. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself, if you’ve got a wife, you try to be the best husband, you can. But in the process of doing that, you will click on yourself, if you have children, you try to be the best father, you can. But in the process of doing that, what you’re really doing is you’re working on yourself all of these tools. So the only thing you ever do in life is you work on yourself. And it is your job, your responsibility to use all the tools you’ve been given as skillfully as you can, but recognize that there are tools and recognize that you work in yourself. That’s what everybody does. Some do it consciously, some do it unconsciously, in those who do it unconsciously, he made a mess of the wonderful tools that they have been handled. And sometimes they don’t even know that they made a mess of that. Right? You are where you are the persons who come to my programs to recognize that they have some incredible tools, and they use them with care. And with skill.

Brandon Handley 21:16
I think that you started off this conversation with telling us, you know, kind of who you are, you know, it’s your obligation to discover who you truly are, because you’re not who you you feel like you are. And so that, to me kind of aligns with what you’re saying here to work on yourself is to discover that piece, is that what you’re saying? Because I think a lot of people would interpret that, initially is saying, I’ve got to work on myself to be more successful primarily on the exterior. Whereas I think what you’re saying here is wrong

Dr. Srikumar Rao 21:47
with that just so long as you recognize that that simply is step on your path. And that’s not what you truly want. You know, if you talk to people, what do you want? What are you ambitious? Oh, I want to be president, I want to be CEO, I want to have a big mansion, I want to have a private jet. Why do you want all of that, and you’ll find ultimately, what it boils down to is, I want to be happy, I want to be happy period, I don’t want my happiness to end I want to be free from suffering, period. Right. And it turns out that the only way you can truly be free of suffering is to realize that there is no suffering to begin with, because there is no person entity who is suffering. And that’s the only way you will ever reach a stage where you are not suffering where you are eternally happy. So getting to the point where you recognize that there is no you who is suffering. That is what the great game of life is all about.

Brandon Handley 22:48
And you talk about that being a process. I still remember the first few times that I heard somebody say trust the process as I exactly what am i trusting? And exactly what is that process? My guess would be, again, that this book is most of the process.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:10
All you need is a portal, it’s a portal to the rabbit hole. You get down the rabbit hole is are you want to go out deep you want to go. But eventually if you go all the way, there is no you left to emerge.

Brandon Handley 23:27
What’s interesting, too, is you you have you have a prerequisite to read this book, and seven others prior to being able to even apply for the creative personal mastery program,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:41
the required readings, correct,

Brandon Handley 23:43
right? How did you decide that those were the seven books that were the

Dr. Srikumar Rao 23:48
filter arbitrary, and those seven have changed in the course of my teaching it? Okay. And basically, each of those books was selected, because it has the capacity to ajar you in your thinking, but maybe things are different from the way you thought they were. So they’ve got a great capacity to shake. You get the machinery between your ears working and unarrested. So you see, maybe what I thought all along, isn’t really the way the world is. And that’s a good start to entering into the creativity and personal mastery program.

Brandon Handley 24:28
Yeah, I have a complaint because each one of those books was great. Right? I was like, well, this one too. How could this be so good. Right. So the recommendations, I really enjoyed them from from the creative, personal mastery, standard reading and then you’ve got in the back of the book, you’ve got just I mean, a 12 year 12 month reading list and then I think you’ve got like a 12 year reading list if somebody was to go through the rest of the books in the back there. What if you were to rewrite this book today? would you change? Would you edit anything add to it.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:02
No, I don’t think I would add to it I have found I’m writing another book right now, which will cover the same material, but it will cover the same material in a much more direct fashion as I started off our conversation with, in other words, instead of leading to it gradually, as I have done in, are you ready to succeed and just come up with a guide, this is what you’re really looking for. And this, this is it and then discuss is going to be a short book I don’t anticipate will be very long, but it will be I hope, but thing, a very pregnant with possibility. And my estimate is that there will be relatively few people who are ready for that. But those people will somehow discover it, or it will discover them and it’ll be reduced to them. Now,

Brandon Handley 25:53
that makes sense.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 25:54
I model may happen may not happen. I’m fine either way.

Brandon Handley 25:58
Right. And he talks about that. There’s a couple more points that and these are all right in the beginning of the book, which I love, because you said you while you don’t dive right into the end result in front of the book, you set a stage, you set a really great stage for you know, here’s, here’s kind of what to expect. And here’s how to really leverage this book, which I really appreciated. And and in part of that was just what you’re saying there to want something, you know, enough, so greatly. Right? That that’s all you want. But to be okay with it not happening. Talk a little bit about that. Because you know, we want these things so bad. How can we want to save something so desperately but be okay with it not happening?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 26:38
That’s a paradox, Brandon. So let me tell you a story which illustrates that there was a sage who had two disciples and both of them were wonderful disciples are very conscientious, very diligent in their practices. But both of them had an insatiable desire to know when they would become enlightened. So they were constantly pestering him to say, Master, you are all seeing you know everything. Please tell us when we will become enlightened. So finally to get him off his bike, he said, Why don’t you come to me on full moon night, and I will tell you, and he was hoping they’d forget. And of course, they didn’t forget and promptly full moon light, they light it up, they prostrated before him and reminded him of his promise. He said he would tell us. So doctor, the first one and said, My son, you have been very diligent in your practice. And I’m very pleased with your progress. You will be born three more times three more lifetimes, and you will become enlightened. And he was physically dejected. His shoulders sagged, he said, Oh, my master, I’ve tried so hard. And you tell me I have three more lifetimes. So woe is me. And he walked off disconsolate. And he talked to the second disciple and said, Hey, you see the tree behind you. And it was a mango tree in full bloom, and they were bangles and leaves. They said, as many leaves as there are on that tree that many times will you have to be reborn, and then you will become enlightened. And the students said, that’s our master, you promise me that I am born so many times, and then I will be enlightened, oh, how wonderful it is. And he started jumping with joy. And the Master said, My son, you will be enlightened now. And he touched him on the forehead, and he was enlightened right there. Right? So it’s very much a factor like that it’s an oblique answer to your question, because your question, in order to answer it, you have to reach a level of consciousness different from the one where you created it. But there is both immense striving, and effortlessness. That is the thing that people find most difficult. Here’s the paradox. Many teachers, including the Buddha said, human life is rare and in human life, the desire for enlightenment is rare. So do not waste a second time is too precious work word, achieve enlightenment and this rebirth. And at the same time, things happen when they happen, the flower blooms when it is time the fruit ripens in the correct season. And there’s nothing you can do to hurry the process of. So the two are in contradiction. But they really aren’t in contradiction. They are, as I said, a paradox and paradoxes are only resolved when you go to a higher level of consciousness. So these are things that you cannot talk about logically, but you will Intuit that both of them are true. And you’re not only at peace with the ambiguity in the contradiction, but you can embrace the contradiction. That’s what my course is all about helping you recognize it’s not either or it’s both and I I appreciate I appreciate the course too, because you know, you can. And and this has been my experience so far.

Brandon Handley 30:06
I told you at the beginning here, I’m reading it for the third or fourth time. And it’s a totally different book this time than the first time I read it. And the first time I’ve read it, I’d have to say that it was primarily for personal success gains. Right, right. Right. Yeah. You know, am I right? Is the seed You bet I am, let’s do this thing. Absolutely. And as you know, my evolution has come about is, I don’t think that I’m fully there. But there’s the idea that the merging, right and understanding that I do these things with great effort, but if I do them in alignment with, you know, kind of a joy, or, again, with this podcast, bringing something to others to be of service to others, as well as myself. Things open up differently, the world opens up differently in a different way. Now, I’m just curious, did that happen for you when you created this, this course, and is that when you kind of first recognized it?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 31:06
Before I go there, let me also share with you that the paradox that I outlined to you has many parallels in the hard sciences, physics, you know, I used to be a physics major, as you pointed out. So for example, we still have not been able to reconcile what we call the wave particle duality, is light a particle or is light a wave, and it exhibits characteristics of both. So we’ve got an infrared wave particle duality, but we haven’t been able to resolve it exactly like that. You can use both, and at certain times one is appropriate, and other times the other is appropriate. But they’re both true. So coming back to my own life, yes, I am discovering that a lot of things that I tried hard and struggled to make happen. I don’t struggle anymore. I do make effort. I put it out there. But even therefore, it doesn’t seem like effort, because I’m doing it because I’m calling for, I don’t pay any attention to deadlines, because most deadlines are completely artificial. And you know, if I happen to meet it fine. If I don’t happen to meet it, I don’t beat myself up, you know, it’ll get done when it’ll get done. So I’m letting life evolve, as opposed to try to force my will upon the universe, if you will.

Brandon Handley 32:24
enjoy that. And I think that the other story that you tell in the book is how the one, you know, I was looking for enlightenment or something of the sword, and the master tells him 10 years, yeah, right. He goes, Well, what if I double my efforts, and he goes out 20 years, and it’s crazy, because that’s helped me to just kind of slow down a little bit, right, that that story in of itself is just inclusive. And it’s right in the beginning to which is, you know, again, the the the book is very nicely for, for anybody who, who’s kind of looking to do the self discovery journey,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 32:59
right? Correct. Yes.

Brandon Handley 33:01
So asking this question. You know, I don’t think it’s too tongue in cheek, but would you consider yourself along the lines of a guru? No. Okay. Okay,

Dr. Srikumar Rao 33:12
I do consider myself, a person who has been chosen for whatever reason by the universe transmits some great truths. But I want to emphasize and I state that in the very beginning of the book itself, these are not coming from me, these are coming through me. And they are the transmission of a tremendously powerful enlightened masters. And I have probably introduced distortions in them. Because if, by being the imperfect human being I am, but I try to consciously try to introduce as few distortions as possible, but if there are distortions, it’s all mine, if there’s any power, it’s all theirs. And that’s just a statement. This is the way it is teaching this to your children. You know, being a father myself, right?

Brandon Handley 34:05
I’ve got a couple children. And I know you’ve got you know, you’ve got your children and grandparent children along the way, right? How do you try to prevent them from kind of our mistakes, right, waiting till the end of our lives? Or midlife? How can they How can they notice?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 34:23
And I don’t think you can each person has to have his or her own life journey and make their own mistakes. And a lot of the things that I see them doing, I can recognize, this is not the ideal, but there’s not a damn thing I can do about it. And I don’t even try because they have their own their own path and their journey of growth. And like, you know, my mother monster shed many tears when she saw how her son was turning out, but it all worked out in the end. So I’m not shedding any tears, you know? Call avail is available and at some point it will become relevant and what is relevant they will pick up. But it is what it is. So I try to be supportive, I try to inject this at the appropriate time. So what I think are appropriate times, but I don’t have control. And I don’t beat myself up on that either. It is what it is.

Brandon Handley 35:22
And one of the books I thought that was really interesting that you shared was the Stanford course.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:27
Right? And creativity in business. Yes.

Brandon Handley 35:31
And I thought that it was really interesting to that, who’s the Jim Collins came out of that course. But is that where you got the the vo j from?

Dr. Srikumar Rao 35:39
The DOJ, probably I did pick up from that. And actually, that book was instrumental in my creating my course. Because I thought it Michael Reagan pulled it off at Stanford, I can pull this off at Columbia. And I did. So he was an inspiration, man, he was very supportive of me, by the way. We were in touch for a long time after that. And he said, Thank God that you were keeping the flag flowing. Because the very year that he retired from Stanford, that course disappeared. Interesting.

Brandon Handley 36:11
That’s interesting. And I bring that book up, because when I read it, of course, it wasn’t what I expected it to be. Right. Very similar to your book. There’s a lot of universal wisdom in it. And I guess, you know, it’s great to see that that was an inspiration for you. Because again, that’s this podcast, is to show others that there’s a different path that you can kind of go along that there’s people that who have gone before you that have been able to kind of figure it out, right

Dr. Srikumar Rao 36:43
and put Yes. And put it together. These are the signposts along the way. And they’re encouraging people who are coming saying yes, there are others who felt the same way. And maybe they discovered or said something that I can use to help me in my journey.

Brandon Handley 37:01
Right. All right. Well, Doctor, I don’t have anything else really top of mine, except for you know, a big thank you for for coming here today. I know that your time is limited. I’ve really enjoyed having you on where should people go to kind of find out more about you and what’s next for you.

Dr. Srikumar Rao 37:17
They can go to my website, which is www v Rao institute.com or they can email me directly my email is my full name three Kumar, s [email protected] And if they go to my website, the rau institute.com and click on the button which says join our community. They will get information they’ll be on my list to get my blogs, and they’ll also get information about my programs.

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The upcoming summit that will be a launch for the membership group. Summit will be 3 days and called Sober. Soulful. Successful. and have speakers than embody these topics.The thread through all this is that we can examine our problems, our pain, our passions and find our purpose in life – which is so needed to counteract temptation to return to self-abusive lifestyle. My getting clear on our intrinsic motivation, we can ask ourselves, “What is more important right now- immediate satisfaction or long term gratification?”So many people are working poor. Plus, they are doing a job that they hate. When we get clear on our highest values, surround ourselves with people who share these same values, live in alignment with self evident principles, we can get clarity and confidence to be more like the person we were born to be – (which is an internal state of being) We were not born to have anxiety, burnout, regrets, resentments and shame. Get those head trips less important to you and you will easily recognize what makes you come alive and the you will do it!

Head on over to https://www.aattitudeofgratitude.com/about/aags-founder/ to find out more about Randy Hyden

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one to hear. You’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general You’re so limited in a thought process for sure. You are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside get can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast to show the answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you. This world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers, but we sure do love living in the question. Time for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:43
For three, actually, how do I pronounce your last name?

Unknown Speaker 0:47
heighten?

Brandon Handley 0:48
tiden? Okay, Randy hyden. Right. Yeah, good. Yeah, I can’t tell you the number of times I put your somebody’s name by accent then can I got it? So just make that a practice of asking before we get going cold everything but a gentleman. Fair enough. Fair enough. 54321. Hey, there, spirituals open. Thanks for tuning in to another interview episode I am on today with Randy hyden. He is the creator of attitude for gratitude flow. And he’s coming up to you with a new summit. That’s going to be three days. That’s called sober soulful and successful. I used to have speakers that embody these topics. And, you know, Randy, and I connected kind of in some odd areas. And I haven’t told Randy this yet. But Randy was brand new saying like everything that was on my mind. And like Facebook and posts, I was like, man, I gotta get to know this guy. And we did Connect. And so that’s pretty much the genesis of how we got john here today. Randy, did you know that I was talking? I was like, you’re just saying everything on my mind?

Randy Hyden 2:02
Well, I find humor in that because I recognize that you were what you were posting was like, so I don’t know, maybe? Maybe we’re the same person in two different dimensions.

Brandon Handley 2:14
Well, I mean, I think that that’s interesting, though, too, right? We just we have the same kind of the same things kind of on our hearts, and we’re sharing them out there with the public. And I think that that’s a I think that’s neat. Um, you know, just kind of, uh, you know, that everybody talks about vive and are resonating. And there you go, right. We’re like two different tuning forks on the opposite side of the country.

Randy Hyden 2:34
Yeah, it is cool. Yeah. Because there’s, you know, we read about this stuff, but until you actually experienced it, it’s all concept. For sure, for sure. is very real.

Brandon Handley 2:45
Yeah, absolutely. So I like to start these off Randy, with the idea that you and I are vessels for creative energy, God universe, whatever you want to say. And that, you know, there’s a message coming through you for somebody listening to this podcast today. And it can only be delivered through you. So what’s that message?

Unknown Speaker 3:10
Uh,

Randy Hyden 3:13
well, the theme for all the groups with the summit and the free membership group and Facebook and the paid membership group flow, is to be more like the person you were born to be. May I explain how I came to that message?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely pleased to. Okay,

Randy Hyden 3:34
so because our listeners may not know, I am 13 years sober. Coming up next week will be 14 years sober. And so that’s, that’s something I’m very proud of. Especially because what I was new, like many people in the first year of sobriety was a day by day sometimes by an hour by hour proposition. And during those difficulties, gentleman who eventually became my sponsor, mentor, Bob, he, he told me it goes, if you hang around and do this thing, eventually you’ll be more like the person you were born to be. Actually, if they could get it since this crowd is okay with the word God, he actually said, you’d be more like the person God made you to be and get the goosebumps right now. And so that was the promise I held on to in the beginning. And frankly, I still I hang my hat on that. In the beginning, I had no idea I used to pray God provide all that’s needed and move what’s not for me to be more like the person you made me to be. I’ve said that prayer, or some form of it countless times, hundreds of times, maybe maybe over 1000 times. I’ve prayed prayed that. And up until recently, I had no idea what the heck that was. And honestly, on the outside, I still don’t even know what it is. But on the inside within me what I carry with me, I believe that none of us were ever created to carry around anxiety. We’re not meant to be burned out. Regret, resentment, and most of all shame. I do it, perhaps I’m just some kooky guy. Well, I am kooky guy. But again, maybe this this is is only something that I just carry with me. But I really truly believe in everything I want to bring out as messages. And so it’s we were never made to carry around the shame that we do. So that’s what the intention is, again, long, a lot of letters and words and in such a cut out that to reinforce what I mean by to be more like the person you were born to be? No, I

Brandon Handley 5:47
mean, I look, I love that, right. And I think that, um, you know, what you’re speaking to is really, what happens somewhere along the journey. And maybe not to everybody, but to more people than we’re aware of, because you’re talking about this. I, you said you didn’t realize what this meant, until more recently, right. And it’s not something that’s easy for you to put into words. But it’s a more than a feeling, right? It’s more than a feeling. And, and as you and I connected, you can kind of tell who’s in that space. Right? So why don’t you talk to me a little bit about what that space? Where would you be comfortable with calling? I mean, I don’t think the you know, awakening, maybe not your term. Nor is like, you know, finding your true self? or How would you describe it for somebody that’s curious about what that means to you?

Randy Hyden 6:50
Well, thank you. Because honestly, that’s been part of my challenges. This thing’s been percolating in me for years. But trying to talk about something that, again, as I mentioned, I don’t even really fully understand, I just know, I have a thing about me right now where I could move with a lot less resistance. You know, my intention is to experience and express inspiration. So others may do the same in their own unique way. And together, and we make the world a little better place. With that intention, I I don’t sweat things like I used to. I give myself a lot more room to be imperfect. And that’s, like, 1000 miles away where I was 14 years ago. But even then, again, he’s progressing. And yeah, you know, we try to, you know, talk about things that no, it’s like, joked around about us, you know, frequencies and then the, and maybe we’re the same person in two different dimensions and stuff. I mean, it’s all concepts. It’s all words, it’s, we’re trying to communicate something that really truly, it’s difficult, if not impossible to communicate, but when it’s experienced. You can you can talk about love in such earlier. Oh my gosh, yeah, I remember my best friend, he fell in love before I did. And I saw the change. His girlfriend was a friend also, as well, we hung around a lot. And I saw the change in both of them. And I thought it was the coolest thing. Really, really happy for both of them. But I you know, I had no idea what love was until I fell in love. That makes sense

Brandon Handley 8:42
that absolutely absolutely right. Again, these are these are things that these are things I always joke about the the idea of, if you would have told me maybe three or four years ago that I’d be doing this spiritual dope, personal, personal development space, and all these other things I might have punched in the face, Randy, I might not have been to because you look like you punch me back. And I might get fucked up. But the whole, the whole idea is that there’s no way that I would have found myself in this space until I you know, went through the space. And then you hear people always saying, trust the process. I’m like, now like, trust the process. Right? It has, you know, that has meaning now, whereas before, it had not

Randy Hyden 9:30
zactly Exactly. And of course, we all assign meaning to everything every moment, consciously and unconsciously. And naturally, how I’m going to view the meaning of our time together is going to be different from here then we could both say, we appreciate sharing some of your day together. We appreciate the listeners, you know peeking in on this conversation is But what exactly that looks like what that feels like and stuff. It’s very unique and it’s very personal. But again, something like gratitude or appreciation. Thanksgiving and stuff is a universal concept it is seems to be something that’s wired into all of us. But until you experience it, but I laugh I laugh so hard when you talked about punching somebody in the face. Yeah. When I, I surrendered. If somebody had told me you’re in exactly the right place you need to be. People may have heard that saying as well. Right? I sure is anything. Yeah, gotten violent. But now looking back at it and stuff. I yeah, I’ve said it countless times. And I tried to be a little mindful about that. You know, which is another thing, Mike. Mindfulness, what a word that gets thrown around all the time. And it’s, it’s very personal, it can mean different things for now. Yeah. 100%. Right, to to listen to people in a way to understand when I’m making a statement, whether that’s going to be something that’s possible for them to chew on

Brandon Handley 11:02
the right, I mean, that that talks to the whole idea of, you know, kind of talking to people where they are.

Randy Hyden 11:08
So, so how I get there,

Brandon Handley 11:10
I listen, I’m not

Randy Hyden 11:13
really been a challenge with we’ve tried to put some messaging out there, which means like marketing, and branding, and all this kind of kind of stuff, bringing this out. But you know,

Brandon Handley 11:22
I want to pause there for a second. Right, Randy, can we I think I think that marketing and branding. First for many, and even even, like, as you’re talking about it, it’s kind of like dismissing it for a second. But all you’re really trying to do and correct me if I’m wrong is, you know, share out something that could truly benefit some people and highlight some just amazing things that you know, could theoretically, PR your experience, bring people to a great place. Right. So I mean, if you’re using marketing and branding, and then again, you know, we we met through, I think James Gaffney, Jimbo, Uncle Jimbo. And, you know, his idea of branding is branding is your promise. Right? And so if you’re what you know, is sticking with that for a second, you know, as you’re doing your marketing and your branding for your school over here, again, just read it because I have a short term memory today, silver, soulful, successful attitude of gratitude and flow. What is your branding? What is your promise to these people that they can hang out?

Randy Hyden 12:32
Well, you know, I touched on it earlier, but it’s, it’s great that, you know, can we bring up uncle Jimbo? Because going through his class really helped me understand that. Just be yourself. And, and when you get back to words, like authentic, we’re being authentic, the people will get, they’ll dig it, and they’ll hang out with you, and maybe even spend a little bit of money and stuff and those that don’t dig you, they gonna hang around very long and don’t sweat it. Again, you’re just trying to manufacture it. Frankly, I was a big part of why I was miserable. I was using drugs all the time, I was trying to create this persona that people would like, so I could fit in. And I wasn’t true to myself. And consciously and subconsciously, I really hated who I become. It’s phony. It wasn’t true to myself. But then it was really scary that if I did share who I was, maybe things go from bad for worse. So I just kind of bounced against the walls, sometimes literally, but metaphorically and stuff. I was trying to navigate my way and then it was just kind of the whole stuff is Hey, man, you know, just stop trying so damn hard.

Brandon Handley 13:51
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 13:52
yeah, yourself. And that’s a funny thing. Oh, it winds up being probably better than I ever the persona I ever tried to manufacture. But yeah, James was huge. And after that,

Brandon Handley 14:05
yeah, no, I mean, that, you know, not for nothing. The course that course is, you know, for 100 bucks, top notch. I’m not trying to send people there, but I am at the same time. Like, I mean, go check that out. If you’re going to check out a marketing course go check that one out. Where would you say, you know, the, you know, you’ve gone through a transition, right? You’ve gone through a shift. And Wayne Dyer has a movie called The shift. Have you ever seen it?

Randy Hyden 14:33
No. But I love windows, everything that I have, you know, consumed has been beneficial. So you’re mentioning I’m going to stick it out? Yeah, so

Brandon Handley 14:43
absolutely. And in the in the movie talks about men going through the the shift, quote unquote, right? It’s around a certain age bracket. You and I are both in it. But it talks about the change of you know Have your attention, right? What do you focus on? Right? Do you were talking about being focused kind of like on the person you were supposed to be for everybody else? And maybe some things that weren’t so beneficial. And into maybe spirituality and discovering your sense of self? Is that make sense?

Randy Hyden 15:23
Oh, yeah, yeah. So what I’m hearing you mentioned about is what some people refer to as the first half and second half of life. Sure, okay, existential, an existential crisis type of thing. You know, and my understanding of it is, it’s not necessarily something that is chronological, or, you know, it’s based upon how many years you are, but it does commonly happen around the 40s area. Because we’ve gone through the process of establishing our identity, doing the things that we need to do with the egos really serving its purpose, you know, how do we dominate to get the mate? You know, the career, you know, how do we, how do we do all these things to create something that we could call security. But eventually, there comes a moment of clarity. And usually that comes through crisis, where you start realizing the paradigms that one serves, you are no longer beneficial.

Brandon Handley 16:24
Yeah. What do you think?

Randy Hyden 16:26
What your view is, though

Brandon Handley 16:28
it? Where do you where say, when? Or what was the situation you feel? You might have crossed the rat threshold?

Randy Hyden 16:36
Well, it’s I’m 56. So I got sober when I was 43. And,

Brandon Handley 16:42
yes, okay, with sobriety for you. Is that what you’re saying?

Randy Hyden 16:44
Yeah, so sobriety, there is the case, you know, and, yeah, it’s so personal. I was in the middle of a fog and lots of confusion, lots of overwhelm happening. It’s hard to really, you know, try to be definitive and objective about my experience. But that’s part of the thing that’s really good. When you’re in the 12. If anyone’s familiar with 12 step programs, the pay it forward paradigm, no one else who’s suffering how you once did, you process your pain, you’ve gone through a lot of problems, and you found a passion. And you want to pay it forward, you would like to help others. And as I’ve had those opportunities, I’ve been able to see myself time and time again, and go, Oh, yeah, I remember that. Yeah, that’s just like, if anybody is, again, if you haven’t experienced, but you’ve heard of these concepts. It may not necessarily be resonating with you, but anybody who’s gone through it, the when we talk about how I’ve received more than I that I’ve ever given, or, I mean, these people, well, the first time I ever, ever sponsored a guy, I asked my friend Alan, who eventually became my sponsor. And hey, Tony wants me to sponsor, and I don’t know what to do. I haven’t even gone through the 12 steps myself, which again, is gone through this proc official process. I’m like, What am I going to do? And, and Alan just smiled. And he just goes, how you may be able to help Tony may not I don’t know how it goes, but I’m positive. Tony will help you. Wow. And that was enough for me to smile like you did and move forward and work with Tony. And yeah, yeah, I hope I helped him a little bit. But I know for sure without a doubt that that’s been a first person than every other man since then, like from greatly and have to give credit the thing of expanding upon this to this these things flow, attitude of gratitude, the summit called you know, sober, soulful, successful, is to have a more than just Randy talking about this, but having many voices, in their own words, their own emphasis, talking about the similar thing. So we can help other people maybe experience in in their own unique way, this inspiration that comes when you’re, when you’re present in the moment with another person. And you’re some people call it active listening. I call it listening without opinion, but being really present, right? And there’s something that happens, my guess is that it’s kind of like an end run around my ego. So why ego still present all the chaos and confusion, the scrimmage is going on in front of me. And somehow I snuck around the side got in the goal line. thing, for sure. My soul has been trying to tell me but there was too much noise in my head, you know that. We have these voices in our head, you know, the Buddhists call the monkey mind and stuff. And it’s, it’s like if you and I if I was talking over all the time, I’d never be able to hear you, right. So again, I go All these voices in my head when I can get into the state, and it’s just like a meditation, I’ll focus on my breathing and stuff, but I will really listen to it. And I could, maybe there still every now and then some poo get flung around in the monkey mind. But all in all, there’s enough quiet that that I’m hearing something then I need to hear. And that’s what I mean by experiencing inspiration. That’s something that makes me just, I don’t know, people out of my life,

Brandon Handley 20:31
I’m sure. You know, let’s talk for just a second I mean is it is it sobriety you you feel or sobriety you feel that in of itself, or this connection to source type of thing connection to a higher power and this? This is? Quite honestly, this is why you get your head, the tagline of spiritual dope, right? Is that spiritual high? Right, of that life high? And I think you just you just said that. So we, what is that for us? Is again, is it? Is it the spiritual high that kind of keeps you going that keeps you sober? Or is it the sobriety that led you there? Right? Or is it kind of chicken in the egg? Right? Yeah,

Randy Hyden 21:18
it’s it’s, you know, maybe so maybe no, it’s not dualistic thinking, however, I get, I came to this spiritual way of life, not by virtue, but circumstance. The 12 step is teaching you that get there are some disciplines and some actions to practice daily. For myself, I grew many times through the day of getting just getting centered. asking myself What’s more, what’s really important right now, what’s really happening, I’m just taking the 10 deep breaths, it’s just when I I’ll just, I’m just again, this is my mindfulness, I realized, I’m, I’m either dwelling in the past or projecting in the future, I’m not present in furniture, usually, when I’m catching it is because I’m just not at peace, I’m just kind of a little irritated and stuff. And because I’ve done enough times, being I’ve experienced what it is to have some common peace. I could notice when it’s been disruptive, before, it was just basically, dumb obedience, you know, which, again, you got to do this type of stuff, right? Want to get back to being restless, irritable, discontent, and, you know, needing to use the drugs and alcohol to supply what’s needed to find some kind of peace. I think a lot I feel a lot and with people, in addictions, in the spiritual ways, are a way to be able to still dance with those demons. And and Yeah, well, Karl yune, integration, work and all that kind of stuff. That’s, it’s not talked about in that way. But there’s methodologies in the 12 step program. It’s the personal inventory is getting clarity and confirmation all those causes and conditions that brought you to this point in life. Right? And without trying to go through all with what processes yet you everybody I’ve known that’s gone through that has a huge epiphany. For myself, the first time I did it,

Brandon Handley 23:23
decided the inventory.

Unknown Speaker 23:25
Yeah. Well, I

Brandon Handley 23:25
wanted to pause for one second that Randy because you mentioned a pretty good, a pretty good mindfulness habit that you’ve got. And kind of how to recognize, recognize when you’re out of out of peace, you said, right, when you’re not at peace, if you don’t mind, just talking about what that is, again, because one of the things that we’d like to be able to share here is, you know, practical application of this stuff, right? Not just all theory, like, you know, so sounded like you said, you know, if you find that you’re, you know, kind of your monkey mind stirring up or you’re, you’re finding some type of irritation you take you, you know, at that point in time that you are either living in the past or the future, and you take 10 centering breaths, is that what you do? Yeah, yeah. expand on that at all

Randy Hyden 24:16
right? Take the breath. So I’ll kind of ask myself, like, okay, what’s happening right now? Just take a few breaths, and just focus on you know, like a meditation, the cool air going in warmer air going out? And, yeah, then the answer comes to me, which again, is the point right now I’m actually kind of concerned because I’ve concluded countless times that it’s either fear or it’s love what’s going on, and again, if I’m out of peace, it’s some kind of fear. Because I, frankly, I use the word anxiety because people don’t like to talk about they’ve got fears and stuff. Sure. But the past is, you know, naturally leans more towards the word of regret. But yeah, fear that I won’t have something I prefer desire and lose something then I’m attached to, right? Um, you know, or my bullshit is going to get found out. Do ones that come up countless times, right? So being rigorously honest, minimizes the bullshit that’s going to get found out, right? And then understanding also, frankly, it’s all bullshit. Right? I know, myself, I don’t take it that seriously. And if you laugh at me, and you try to insult me and stuff, again, I just kind of frame it all up with that same way. It’s like, yep, you’re right, you know, thing.

Brandon Handley 25:38
Right? Right.

Randy Hyden 25:39
But if there’s someone that I really am kind of attached to their opinion of me, we get typically I’m not conscious of that. Right? I respect you, Brandon, if you were to say something that may or may not have been designed to twist the knife, right? I felt a little Sting, say something, right? And sold or whatever. And it doesn’t mean it was intended to be that way, if I interpret it, is that that’s one of those disruptions? Yeah, no, I

Brandon Handley 26:09
and I love that you brought that up, I experienced that recently, myself, you know. And through these mindfulness practices, though, that you and I are talking about, I was able to, I was able to pinpoint, and I was like, Wait a second. You know, I’ve attached like an authority to this person, I’ve, I’ve given this something that I mean, that’s quite literally what I’ve done. I’ve given him power over me, right? whereas he has none. Right? And able to just to just notice it. And also notice, too, that could just be simply my interpretation of, like you said, my own bullshit, right? And just kind of, you know, being able to identify it and let it go.

Randy Hyden 26:54
Right, right. So again, that’s the thing is you can win. In that hypothetical situation, again, where I feel the same thing. That’s when I would first ask myself, you know, also just kind of, I didn’t feel good for myself, a lot of my, my attention gets around the neck and shoulders areas, everybody has it in some people in the gut and stuff, but you know, I feel this and it’s just like, okay, I asked, okay, what’s going on right now? Take a deep breath. Me, you know, get sometimes 10 sometimes it doesn’t take that many and stuff. And it’s just yeah, Allison identify? Well, I have put myself beneath Brandon. Right, right. Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. And then I can do it repeat over it a couple times. And it’s, it’s amazing ones becomes practice. Yeah, you just did. I can. Sometimes it’s, it’s less than 10 seconds. I’m back centered. stuff. And if I don’t have to do as deep of a inquiry into the situation,

Brandon Handley 27:51
right? What would that inquiry look like for you? Um, if you if you put me above you, what would that inquiry look like?

Randy Hyden 27:58
Thanks. That’s a great question. So it is I would think a lot, it would just be good. a million questions, you know, is, why am I doing this again, it would default much more to again, kind of the self loathing type of stuff. What the hell do I think he’s so great. Oh, my God, I embarrass myself this show. Listen, that, you know, it’s I think a lot of people have had moments.

Brandon Handley 28:22
Absolutely. You know, that’s why I think that this is this is, this is very helpful for for someone who hasn’t found that yet, or hasn’t identified it yet. As you and I are talking and as like I said, I just realized I did this just a couple weeks ago. You know, I was I taken a course where, you know, you were taught to identify whether or not you put someone above or below you, right, and really, no one is above or below you. But sometimes you do it by accident, right? Sometimes mentally, you just don’t recognize it. And it wasn’t, it wasn’t until recently that it did a little click right and like, Oh my God, that’s what just happened. So my hope is that if you know if you’re listening today, and you hear Randy talking about this, that this is something that if someone has pissed you off, if you feel hurt by someone, the good idea to ask the question, you know, where where have you positioned them in your life so that they could do so?

Randy Hyden 29:23
Yeah, yeah. And again, mature shorthand of that is what’s really important right now.

Brandon Handley 29:27
Yeah, I love that.

Unknown Speaker 29:28
Yeah. Yeah.

Randy Hyden 29:31
It call it intuition subconscious, God, universe, whatever it is. There’s this small still voice that it began if I make space for it will remind me Oh, yeah. You think you’re above bread? Oh, you think you’re below four grand? And it’s just, it’s good. I don’t have to discuss it much more than that. It’s like, Oh, that’s what’s going on. Right now. We’re again in the past I would have turned this into, like 1000 word essay in between my ears. and stuff and then right you know, but yeah concluding is like okay so all that stuff is fear and really truly when I can take that and make that a whole lot less important again I’m not trying to present myself as some kind of guy that’s got it all figured out guru whatever I’m just sharing techniques and tips that have covered be a lot less alcoholic whatever behavior I exhibited when I was alcoholic I mean there’s a thing in the in the rooms if anybody’s in recovery you’ll hear a phrase called dry drunk talking about is you’re still thinking and feel the same way as when you were drinking you just have accidents going on. There’s no entity in that person’s wife. I mean no bullshit. The been in meetings where people told people to go get drunk. Wow. Because the egos you need to go get drunk right now. And, and not like it like one person would say and then would kind of echoed around the room because that person was just so far from peace. Now that I know some people might think that’s crazy. And all those kind of stuff my shirt and did happen reffer I remember exactly that day we were I was sitting in around the tables. But yeah, I mean, again, that’s just that kind of person where it’s just basically it’s it’s a knee jerk reaction to somebody being so aggressive and lashing out at everybody and stuff. That almost kind of retaliating in a way that could be interpreted as revenge, or at this time, it’s like, dude, oh, just go get drunk, man. Get out of this meeting. I don’t care if I ever see you again, kind of stuff out extreme and this person was proclaiming? I have no reason to doubt it like 30 some years of sobriety. Wow, good 30 years that you’ve been abstinent, but apparently you’ve never gone through and done one or two that we’re touching on here to try to diminish and minimize that. That and, but also want people to know that. You don’t have to necessarily have gonna say things extreme. Right? The chaos, the confusion, all that kind of stuff that addicts and alcoholics are getting the bottom. Right. You can it’s just human condition. Yeah, we’re getting we’re indoctrinated with a worldview around us. We’re here. We’re in North America, we’re materialists, we’re consumers and such. The media the messages that come around, you know, whether it’s through the official propaganda or the how that those messages are repeated, or, you know, in our, in our workplaces, around our homes and stuff, you know, we start adapting these things that didn’t work enough that we continue on with, you know, how does, how does this continue? Because there’s a little bit of usefulness.

Brandon Handley 32:55
Sure, sure.

Unknown Speaker 32:57
Enough in it,

Randy Hyden 32:58
the bonding, we have the commonality and stuff that but yeah, but in again, is it? It’s so difficult for me to say any other time than that, you know, just for a milestone of my sobriety date, November 6 2006. For me, too, because that was the first day Frankly, I think up until then, for last I don’t know how long because again, it’s just a blur. I didn’t care if I lived or die. Sure. And and suddenly, I didn’t care. Oh, you know, they they talked about, like divine intervention and stuff. I explained it any other way. Yeah, that was perfect buddy. Who goes on for years. And again, some days wishing I was dead. Just really? Don’t think it’s also now everything changed. Like that kind of stuff. But just the door cracked open enough. Also, and I was considering that. Yeah, you know, everything I desire. Anything I could commit to my education, my health, my career, my marriage. Anything that I could consider that I would commit to to try to make better was I school when I’m getting blackout drunk every night?

Brandon Handley 34:10
Yes. Not easy.

Randy Hyden 34:12
And, and that was the instead of the typical, okay, big deal. Now, it it bothered me.

Brandon Handley 34:20
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 34:20
I was like, man, maybe you really should stop doing this. And and that conclusion came it was just in the workplace. It was just a team building exercise, go around the table. Everybody around the table, identify somebody they respect that they you know, admire. And then the second rotation around the table was what characteristic does that person possess that you wish you possess more of? Right, render out Eric bepro best man at my wedding. So yeah. Um, Eric is a third degree black belt. He is a master technician for Nissan and Infiniti, Toyota and Lexus IS A GREAT dad, great musician. I mean, he’s the guy who, man if if he puts his mind to it, he does it. Right. First Response, I named him and I was going around thinking my head what my answer would be, I was gonna say discipline. But I realized the source of Eric’s discipline is commitment. Right? So again, when Eric makes a commitment, he honors it by his actions. Wow,

Brandon Handley 35:27
Dad love that. I love that

Randy Hyden 35:28
demonstrated that for me. And I knew, because we’re friends and such that this was something that was not like trying to, I don’t know, figure out how to do a manned spaceflight to Mars or something, right? You know, my friends can do it, then maybe I can do it. And he didn’t know at that point in time, we were two different. He’s in Las Vegas, I was in Southern California. So it wasn’t like we’re hanging around all the time. But again, somebody had demonstrated to me what it was like to be a man who could make commitments and be disciplined enough to achieve his goals in life. And therefore, you know, it wasn’t like, I don’t know, watching some movie where you know, you’re, you’re inspired by the hero and the story and all that kind of stuff. It wasn’t fictional. It was, it was very, very true. And, yeah, so that’s very powerful. And I, again, that happened over and over this last 14 years of people I would meet men I would meet, they would would have something that I wish I had a little bit more of. And I was very fortunate. The Psychology of this is that it’s kind of Shadow Work. What we are attracted to, is something we possess in ourselves. But now, some people may have also heard it referred to and can spot it, you got it in negative form. Absolutely. So those that those people that do things that annoy us, we find unattractive, that’s something we’re carrying in our shadow. So again, another practical tip, when I find someone who’s behaving in a manner that again, I can proclaim them to be a jerk. And write that, um, that’s a moment for me to reflect and it’s like going, how am I like that person? Right? Or, you know, so? Oh, yeah. And I can be a little more again, back to mindful I can just be conscious of the fact that I don’t want to be loud, rude, obnoxious, but I’m gonna dominant. an egomaniac with an inferiority complex was raised. Not sure. I don’t want to move through life. Okay, ready? Is it important enough for you to do something about it? Yeah. So again, having a mentor, a person that I admired, and something that I wished I could have more of, in, that they possess in their character? Yep, they could give me some tips, some techniques, couple, you know, shortcuts to how to say that I wouldn’t have to necessarily take as much trial and error process to figure out how to do this. And again, it’s always simple. You want to be more honest. Okay, just be more honest.

Brandon Handley 38:13
Right? It doesn’t have to be complicated. Now. One of the things you know, we do here spiritual dope is we talk about, you know, how do you take these, these kind of their revelations and usually, you know, just does what they are the kind of revelations of epiphanies and new ways of being and integrate that into your daily life. And what I want to read a little bit about what you put in what you put in information that is shared with me here is you know, what, what is more important right now immediate satisfaction or long term gratification, but this other piece really kind of stood out to me as well as so many people are working poor, plus, they’re doing a job they hate, we get clear on our highest values surround ourselves with people who share the same values, live in alignment with self evident principles, we can get clarity and confidence to be more like the person we were born to be. Which is an internal stuff I’m just going to finish read it because it’s really great and you know, touched me when I read it is an internal state of being we were not born to have anxiety, burnout, regrets, resentment and shame. That’s what’s covered in the beginning. I get those headshots less important to you, and you will easily recognize what makes you come alive and and then you will do it, then, you know. So, again, you know, how that feels good to say. Feels good to feel, you know, it feels good to read. What are some ways that you can suggest to people to apply it?

Randy Hyden 39:44
Well, first, thank you for sharing that. I know those are my words. When you read them. I’m like, Yeah, I did write that. Honestly, man is I’ve been talking about I’ve retained, I don’t know, 20% of that. But what I know when that was written it was very much Begin about just getting clear what’s important right now getting centered, and then float out.

Brandon Handley 40:05
That’s great.

Randy Hyden 40:06
And, and yeah, I’m just gonna go, that’s good, man.

Brandon Handley 40:11
That’s great. I mean, again, like, like I said in the beginning of the podcast, right, you know, something, we’re vessels for we’re vessels for creative energy, right? where, you know, if we look at God as the creator, were made his image, then we’re creators, two or four attached to God, Gods with him as well, you know, all one, then again, we are creators, we are vessels for creative creativity. You know, whatever that looks like to you is one thing or another. But when you communicate, and you and you share something out the way that you wrote there, that’s, you know, that’s truth flowing through you. And that you’re, you’re you’re needing to share with others. Right. And that’s, that is a creation in my mind.

Randy Hyden 40:53
Yeah, so they get so as I joked around and said, it’s like, it’s all bullshit and stuff, you know, a person just trying to be light hearted. But on the other hand, yeah, when you talk about truth, yeah, when I can get in that, quote, unquote, spiritual state, which, whatever that is, I’m no monk.

Brandon Handley 41:14
It’s a surrender state, right?

Randy Hyden 41:16
It’s a state of surrender. Again, it’s just again, the practice is just I do my breathing. I’m letting the noise in my head, dissipate in just calm down. And this just comes through. And it’s like, I’m collaborating with God. And it’s, this it comes back. I’ve said it already before a couple times, in stuff is. In fact, you have lots of words right now you just really can’t describe this you have to experience and it’s amazing. And it’s, it’s like life is better than you could ever ask for even even imagined. And, yeah, so therefore, again, default, you know, otters at god okay? I’m some some guests on my guest forgot, you know, kind of thing. I don’t, I don’t think I’ve had that many just flukes in my life. They’re just dumb luck, dude, something came out of you. And in fact, we haven’t really talked about this other thing. I’ve got a collection of writings when I went through my going to talk about my friend Alan and him eventually becoming my sponsor, Alan had I don’t know what it was an aneurism or what exactly it was. But basically it was were a spinal cord went to his brain, it exploded where the to attack. And yeah, and I was overly dependent super codependent on this man. Right? He couldn’t talk, he was doing care and all this kind of stuff. I mean, it was a major thing. It took him probably eight months before he could even like point at letters, spelling things, things out. And because I was so relying upon him to process things that were percolating in my head. I was very fortunate, a mutual friend suggested start journaling. So I’ve Frankly, I got a collection of a bunch of stuff that I would read to my wife. Similar you just read that to me, and she’d come back was she goes, did you write that? I talked to you every day and you don’t talk like that stuff. But it was again it was not by virtue but circumstance that I was processing shit that had to come out. And and because my ego my wind and stuff, trying to discern whether this was something that is politically correct, or you know, is appropriate for for this conversation and stuff and get my being so much in my head, and instead trying to find some balance between the head and the heart stuff coming out that all Yeah, you know, this is where I guess this is like a lot of my low self esteem. And think I wasn’t capable, I wasn’t worthy of really being the man that against that I aspired to be also and it’s just like, dude, you’re you’re not as big of a piece of shit as you think you are. I you know, counteract that I did get through my grandiosity and I had to get my moments of humility to come back. And when I was good about man, it’s like I am either. Not right of it. I think it’s the pendulum still rocks back and forth with those 100% but it’s not as far and therefore it’s not as long and there’s, there’s a lot more time where I can be centered, I can be in alignment. And I know I’m really grateful that I’m still alive.

Brandon Handley 44:39
Yeah,

Randy Hyden 44:40
I’m old. For some people. It’s just again, just, you know, start going against it as you get older. But yeah, we all went at it pretty hard. When we were younger. I was no longer here and Alan died a sober man, but there were two other guys. He was smoking. When I was around mark, Marty and Tim, and I was envious of them, they hadn’t made the progress they had had had the spiritual awakening before. I did. I wanted that and stuff. And for whatever reason, it didn’t seem to stick with that. Of the four core of us. I’m the only one who’s still on this planet. Wow. Yeah. Well, I mean, I know why they’re gone and why I’m still here. But my back to guessing and in such is I think this recovery was not just for me, either. There’s a big reason to my motivation behind this one, as you know, was instilled upon me, and it’s out of gratitude. Have men helped me that I want to help people, this law of reciprocity. But yeah, I shares we’re talking right now, Brandon, everything that I’m doing right now, is is is my desire to share freely as it was freely given to me the opportunity to see these principles to see these processes, but basically, the principles and process of a 12 step thing is a 12. is no one’s ever heard the 12 step before. The 12 step is having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps. We practice these principles in all airfares, and try to help the person who’s still suffering.

Brandon Handley 46:15
Not I mean, look, I love that right. I definitely love that. Well, let’s, let’s let’s um, you know, let’s we’re winding down, I want to just give the opportunity for you to chat a little bit about what people can expect and when we can expect the sober, soulful, successful summit.

Randy Hyden 46:34
I should be better prepared. I don’t have the exact dates. We’ll call it middle middle of January. Okay. So yeah, very, very grateful for this at that. Yeah, I just kind of popped into some Facebook groups and stuff. And some people I’ve known over the years, I have like 30 people that want to be presenters. Wow. At this, it’s, it’s amazing. Yeah, we’ll kind of see how as things progress, who loses interest and this stuff. Um, but yeah, so basically, again, with if you’ve ever been to a music festival, and over three days, and each day, there’s the headliner. And then you have the supporting acts. So if you can figure One day, the like the Friday would be super. And the headliner for the second day, it’s so full. And then the third, third day successful. Now, again, these all are part of a fabric they all intertwine, and again, these people I envisioning, and where they could probably get plugged in on any day, but it’s their presentation. It’s their moment, I’m really just facilitating, then the opportunity presented to an audience we’re going to have. But yeah, if you could imagine you go to a concert, you want to see the headlining band, but you heard one of the opening acts, and you’ve never heard of them before. But after their performance, after what they share, you go, oh my god, I want all the records now. And now I go through there, and they hear something that they want, and then they’d like more of it. Well, they’ll be kind of like, what we’re doing right now is, tell me a little bit more if they want, want to connect with you. But also, that’s where this flow community is all these presenters and more, we’re gonna have like 30 people, or more, my intention is even more in the community that have gone through the problems, and they’ve gone through their pains, they’ve processed the trauma, but also got clarity on their passion, what they’re being drawn towards, and, and basically wanting to pay it forward in this in this online community called flow state of being present in the state of flow. And I’m really, really excited because again, the premise is that, you know, somebody might did what I say, and we can connect, and we can have something that again, it’s hard to describe, but maybe not. And again, that’s Genesis a quad like something that you present somebody who could connect with what you you’re sharing your language, your emphasis more so than me, and that’s fine. So again, we’re just kind of stacking the debt, we’re increasing the odds, if somebody comes in there, and like myself, I didn’t know what was going on, I just knew I was miserable. You come in there, it’s a place of respect, kindness, you know, and, and it can, one of the ground rules will be if you want to, you got to vent there’ll be a section or called Get it off your chest. Like, you got to vent and stuff, but you can’t. You can’t do the stuff you see in social media, people make it if I disagree with you, and stuff, then I’m going to try to win the argument in a Facebook post and stuff and persuade you to think the same way I have this right. You know, hey, if you want that, hey, there’s this thing called Facebook. But if you’d like to have a situation where you’re connecting with other people that are on this path of again, Randy, let’s be clear, real quick. you’re developing this platform off of Facebook then as well right so flow is outside of Facebook, and In its own community, is that correct? Yeah, yeah, it’s on the circle platform, it’ll be developing will be launched that will be in the next 30 days, because what I want to do is have something going on. So when the summit happens, and people want to go to it, there’s already people instead of a ghost town.

Brandon Handley 50:16
I got a question for you though, too. I mean, could you know, you know, do you, do you feel now two things one, do? Can you imagine, you know, 13 years ago and seeing yourself do this now, that’s one and two, you know, a big part of what it sounds like you’re doing is, you know, you’re, you talked about it early on, you know, cheese here, you’re moving with less resistance, you’re moving with purpose and intention. Sounds like you’re trying to and you really are. Serve something greater than yourself.

Randy Hyden 50:50
Yes. Thanks for recognizing it’s cool. It’s, it’s a good compliment. I like that. Yes, I am intentional on that. And in regards to the first part of the question. Yeah, I used to say what I get I do have a Judeo Christian, you know, basis for my view. But yeah, I would talk to people and say, Look, I could sit across the table from Jesus Christ. And I know for sure, this is us. And then we can substitute Buddha whoever or whoever and kind of stuff. But this divine person pretty much got it all figured out and knows who I am and can say, hey, yeah, 13 years down the road, Randy, this this and this is going to happen for you. And I’d be like, you know, dude, I heard every word you said. But you’re gonna have to repeat it back because as far as I’m concerned, you got me confused with some other Randy dude. Right? Right. This is not me, right. But yeah, now that you can back to the incoming into we’ve got to experience once we go through this stuff. Yeah, my confidence is my clarity is increasing or getting sharper. My confidence levels are rising that I can practice imperfect action. And which I one thing here real quick. So in that again, the it church, the pastor de Brisbane, another mentor of mine, and such. He was talking about how the Hebrew culture 2000 years ago, the time time the Jew, Jesus walked around their concept of the Word Perfect, met, lacking nothing. So again, Randy, most of the time up until he shared that with me, perfect was getting my way. You know, I have my preferences. I have my attachments a perfect world, this would happen and this Right, right, right. You know, and so but with that concept, do I lack anything?

Brandon Handley 52:47
No, man.

Randy Hyden 52:48
No. And so that’s about the most most spiritual thing right now. This is the latest epiphany. epiphany for Randy is Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 52:59
I lack nothing. That’s great.

Randy Hyden 53:01
I walk I get to walk around the block this morning, beautiful day as I’m walking around here and the birds. And I just everything was okay. Yeah, my three, I’m safe. Have my health I have people that I love. There’s people love me. You know, I have a vision. It’s, it’s coming forward.

Brandon Handley 53:22
Powerful, too. You know, if you don’t mind, I think that I think that what is your idea of vision? And you know, what does that mean? mean to you?

Randy Hyden 53:33
Well, you know, you can we’ve been talking about my vision it in that way. But, you know, I think for myself a lot of times what I would call purpose, or my calling. Dr. Stephen Covey called it your voice. In such. For me, it’s something that’s really important, but it’s also benefits others. So first, someone else again, on the exterior, whatever it is, what’s important to you, and then back to get it. Perhaps you want to be a pastor priest, you know, guru and stuff and you want to share enlightenment with other people. Okay, that’s something that again, just resonates with you again, my definition of spirituality is that that what animates life and what just makes me just be more alive than normal. But I have no concept of time I’m gonna just present and everything Life is good. But then again, maybe somebody’s purpose is just to be the dad they didn’t have Yeah, look, I mean, they feel great being the dad right. And and it’s obviously gonna benefit the kids. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 54:43
mean, there’s beauty in that right. It’s just I think the the idea that you said to on vision is this kind of greater than yourself, right includes others has has purpose and feeling involved in it. sighs this guy says curious what your take was. And, you know, how important do you feel like it is for you to have this vision?

Randy Hyden 55:07
Well, when I, when I was newly sober, it was what kept me sober. And in this vision I’ve been sharing with you, and with people listening here and stuff, it’s evolved over the course of time. But it’s been in North Star for me is, you know, trying to bring the principles in the process, the 12 steps. Initially, it was because I was going to church I was considering vocation would be in a pastor and stuff, bringing that to the church community and bringing more of the church community to recovery, and all that kind of stuff kind of being a bridge. So read my earlier writings are much, much more Christian in their orientation, good or bad. It’s just again, I could reflect and see where my head was at that. But yeah, on the other hand, you know, it’s, again, to be intentional to be in a state of flow is to be focused, okay, so am I going to just be focused on the moment or in this conversation is a piece that will, you know, it’s presenting the vision to someone else, it is a marketing, it is a brand people again, I’m just being myself, you know, but it is in a shaper for his uncle Jimbo said, Just be yourself. So again, this is intentional in the process of bringing it forth, you know, so more people can know about what something is really important to me. And, again, it’s really interesting how, again, I’m meeting people like yourself, that I never get one, we known each other for a short period of time, definitely listen six, six months, and we’ve only had a few conversations, but I really enjoyed what you put on Facebook, I really enjoy our conversations. And and again, there’s more of you, that have been coming together. This is the third conversation today, of people that they get all at all, are just really the beginning of a friendship of a relationship. And as we choked around again, I made it’s proving to me that I am in a frequency level that is attracting people also at that other higher frequency level.

Brandon Handley 57:09
Yeah, I

Randy Hyden 57:10
love that is really super, because it’s back to I don’t trying to find balance between the subjective and the objective. Okay, and again, here suggested being basically my personal preferences, my opinions and interpretations of moments and such. But the objective kind of just being too close to 401 can be four as well, too. But you know what I mean, just trying to be and when involves human beings, again, it’s, it’s like we go into a court of law, it’s in perfect, but it’s the best way guy is when you’ve got three or four people that are verifying the facts of something happening, then there’s this guy called the judge or gala call, the judge that looks at all these different things and comes finds the commonalities and conclusions is with us is what we’ve been talking about.

Brandon Handley 57:58
Yeah. I mean, that’s the thing, too, right? I’m glad you brought that up. I mean, you get what you put out, right. And this is just another example. Or you get what you put out, and the idea of, you know, kind of what you seek is seeking you. Right. And so I think that that’s, that’s a little bit about what this exemplifies? So, Randy, I mean, this is, it’s been an awesome conversation. I feel like, you know, we could definitely, you know, have many of these, and I think that we will, I’m looking forward to two more of them. But for now, we got to close it on down. And what I want to do is let people know where they can come find out more about Randy Hyde, and where should we go to find you?

Randy Hyden 58:41
Well, if you’re on Facebook, attitude of gratitude, or a attitude of gratitude, long story on that. Yeah, the in 30 days, if you’re listening to it for 30 days, or this time we’re recording it. Flow is just www FL Oh, ah, it’s all I could get for a URL for the workflow. But afterwards, I was like, like, oh, whoa, I think it’s gonna work. And then there is a website called Attitude of Gratitude as well. That’s back to where like when I talked about where it was more about leading people in gardens and stuff that’s going to be revised soon. But yeah, and then, I guess I probably get a website going for this, you know, silver, soulful, successful thing. That’ll be, that’ll be in Facebook land. Promoting that. And again, I’m very fortunate. There’s a lot of other people that believe in it, support it and think it’s a good idea too. So yeah, that’ll be happening in January. So

Brandon Handley 59:47
awesome, man. Well, thank you so much for thanks for thanks so much for stopping by and hanging out today.

Randy Hyden 59:51
Thank you. Again, thank you so much.

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Unknown Speaker 0:00
Your journey has been an interesting one up to hear you’ve questioned so much more than those around you. You’ve even questioned yourself as to how you could have grown into these thoughts. Am I crazy? When did I begin to think differently? Why do people in general appear so limited in their thought process? Rest assured, you are not alone. The world is slowly waking up to what you already know inside yet can’t quite verbalize. Welcome to the spiritual dough podcast, the show that answers the questions you never even knew to ask, but knew the answers to questions about you this world the people in it? Most importantly, how do I proceed? Now moving forward? We don’t have to have all the answers but we sure do love living in the question. I for another head of spiritual dub with your host, Brandon Handley. Let’s get right into today’s episode.

Brandon Handley 0:42
Hey there spiritual dope. I’m on today with Jean Walters. She’s the author of the journey from anxiety to peace, practical steps to handle fear, embrace, struggle and eliminate worry to become happy and free. Now Jean has written a large number of other books and has you know, she’s been at the forefront in this movement for personal transformation, clarity and truth for over 40 years through her writings, consulting coaching and Akashic Record readings, which we got to talk about for people all over the world. She’s been a consistent source of light, clarity and inspiration, she’s intention and commitment to deepest truth have brought her to share her wisdom and guidance to 10s of 1000s of clients and students as the leading authority on metaphysics, she promotes deep spiritual connection and enlightenment. She’s authored articles and columns and major newspapers and magazines all over the United States, and is a best selling author on amazon.com. There’s quite a bit more here, which will be part of the post. But your overall mission gene is to lead people to light to encourage, guide and assist others to live freely and express from their highest selves. Yes,

Unknown Speaker 1:52
thank you, instead.

Brandon Handley 1:55
Thank you. Thank you, and thank you for being on today really looking forward to the conversation happened for a little bit here. Now, one of the things that we touched on there, see Akashic Record reading, and I think it’s gonna play really well into how I like to open these up. And that is, there’s somebody who is listening to this podcast today. And as you and I are designed more as like these vessels for energy to speak through, right? What is that message that somebody needs to hear from you today? That’s kind of sources speaking through you,

Jeane Walters 2:30
you know what, as we talk, they’re going to find their message. So we’ll probably cover a range of topics and ideas through this podcast, but something’s going to stand out to each person that listens, that at the end of every class, I say to this, who is what was it that stood out to you tonight, and they always have something and the point of it is, is that you’re going to hear something different than maybe I do, but it’s going to resonate to exactly where we are in life. And that always works. It’s, it always works because spirit is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and it’s always there, we’re in it, we’re above it, we’re living in it, we’re breathing it. And so we’re constantly being guided every single day to what it is that we need to understand, change, let go of move forward with the opportunities are there. So somebody I what you really, I hope people will email you and say, Hey, this is what I heard. That would be wonderful for you. And then you’re pass that on to me. And we’ll both we’ll both celebrate. How’s that?

Brandon Handley 3:32
Absolutely. I love that. Right? That says nothing better than somebody reaching out to you and letting you know how you’ve impacted them. Yes. And And to your point, you never know what is they’re going to hear or receive. And they come back with some of the kind of uncanny things like, wow, okay, I didn’t hear that in the conversation. But I’m glad you did.

Jeane Walters 3:52
And people call me like, 40 years later and go, you said this, and it changed my whole world. And I went, Oh, well, that’s cool. I don’t remember saying it sounds like something I would say.

Unknown Speaker 4:05
Sure.

Jeane Walters 4:06
It’s always thrilling when that I get that kind of feedback.

Brandon Handley 4:09
That is absolutely. So let me let’s talk a second about how you found yourself in this space to begin with. And I love the listeners to understand that and a lot of us, myself included, I mean, I’m probably three or four years into this kind of journey myself. So I’m super curious to hear how you came into it and how you stuck with it and what that’s done for you.

Jeane Walters 4:29
Yes, well, I had the opportunity to grow up with a very fear based mother and so she was a constantly worried constantly anxious and pretty much a wreck and today we would probably have diagnosed or medicated her and you know, so forth. But back then we didn’t do any of that stuff. But she was she was everything I read accuse her that you could make a hangnail into cancer, you know, because everything was just disastrous. So I I didn’t like it and I was constantly talking trying to talk Come out of it. And I was trying, I was pointing out things that she could be happy about all the time. And so we were fighting, and we were, we were like on opposite ends of things. But the thing that occurred to me is that I’m going to find another way, I’m going to find another way. In fact, I’m going to eliminate worry from my life. And, and that’s exactly what my journey was started. You know, I started reading and studying and finding ways and this was before you heard about meditation, and now it’s rampant. But this was before that, and I did, I went into some metaphysics classes, I learned to meditate. I read the Bhagavad Gita, I read the life of masters of the Far East, I just gobbled it up. And but the thing is that I learned how to practice it, because I have a very practical side to me where I don’t want to just hear about it. And I don’t want to read about it, I want to do it. So that’s how it moved me forward into a different kind of lifestyle. So I can say that I have eliminated worry from life, because I see that there’s another way to be, you can get above the things that are going on, and you can look at it from another dimension, and you can get your answers that way. But when people Meyer themselves, and I mean, that’s the right word, Meyer themselves into trauma and drama, and so forth, all they can see is more trauma and drama. And that’s what was going on with my mother. So she was unable, she was unwilling, I think, in many ways, she was unwilling to actually look at life from another point of view. But I at the very end, she was she actually thanked me and was very respectful, which I thought was pretty amazing. For someone like that, you know, it I I saw her anxiety affecting her health, and I really knew that it was affecting all of us as a family. So anyway, I don’t know, I think, I think that was a gift in many ways, because it really motivated me to look beyond to find other ways to dealing with life. And there are answers everywhere. I mean, Jesus gave us a lot of answers. So did Buddha, and probably every other master that we could study, you know, they all had the same kind of answers to help us though.

Brandon Handley 7:14
I love it. Um, it you know, when you when you say it like that the the idea, even like we already said is that, you know, you’ve got Buddha, you got Jesus, and they’ve got their, you know, they’re their kind of doctrine, if you will, or at least knowledge that then wisdom that they passed on. But each person is kind of going to have a different approach to that. And they’re only going to be able to hear maybe so much from from one of those. So you need, I think you need all those different flavors, if you will, so that everybody’s able to kind of come at it from a different direction.

Jeane Walters 7:45
Well, they were kind of like the finger pointing in the direction, basically, I don’t think they were here to be worship. In fact, I don’t I know for a fact that they did not, that was never their intention, but they pointed the finger in a direction and the direction is really self mastery. So that’s, you know, basically what I’m getting to more in this book is how to manage how to take control of your own mind. because your mind is the part of you that creates your experience. And if we’re constantly looking at what if this, and what of that and what I should be afraid of today, then we’re gonna constantly be creating, you know, an experience of fear and drama and pain and suffering, which is unnecessary. But we have but is it by discipline, because we have been surrounded with all kinds of negative messages. I mean, just all you have to do is turn on the TV for five minutes, and you’ve got a half a dozen right there. So we have to choose very carefully who we allow in our life, what kind of activities we partake in how we choose to look at these things. And you know, it’s like, I think you and I were talking a little bit earlier that an opportunity can show up or, you know, to meet a certain person or to try a new experience, what I’ve learned to do is listen to my intuition and go, is this something I need to do? Is this some business, right? And when it clicks, as I say, what sort of clips then I move forward with it. And I think anybody can do that. It’s not magic or anything, but we have to train our minds so that we’re actually receptive. Also, people tend not to create goals, they don’t decide this is, like I said, early, you know, I want to learn away so worries, not even part of my life. And I so that was a focus. And because of that focus, I took all the steps to move in that direction. It didn’t happen overnight. But I learned and I think that’s the thing that people have to understand is that this is not this is not like a lightning strike that hits you and all of a sudden you’re aware, but but it’s a matter of steps because we we have to in many ways we have to move beyond the the ideas and beliefs that we were taught you know, I that’s a big thing that I do is I help people recognize where they got stuck, what kind of belief they bought into that has kind of in many ways messed up their life. And unworthiness is a universal thing. You know, and they base it on the craziest stuff, you know, be I’m unworthy just because I must be because that’s what I was taught. That’s silly.

Brandon Handley 10:24
Yeah, like that. I mean, you talked about one in the book to the, the, he talks about kind of putting yourself not first, right, because, you know, some of you are maybe smarter or raver come to answers ahead of others. So you learned a lesson, you thought the lesson then was, hey, I need to hold back and let the rest of the group catch up. You want to talk about that for a second, and maybe how you broke through that one?

Jeane Walters 10:48
Here. Yeah, that was a very powerful remembrance that I had. And it was only a few years ago, I remember that. And then it kind of made sense to me how I had been conducting my life. But I’m a twin. And my twin sister was always a little bit behind on certain things like math and things like that. And so I was constantly like, you know, Gene, teach Jane, you know, Gene, she doesn’t get it work with her. And so I learned how to be a teacher early in life. But one day, my mother, my sister, and I, and we were together with our third grade teacher. And she said to my mom, Jean is ahead of the class, and she could skip the next grade. But Jane is with the class and she’s right where she needs to be. So I think you should hold Jean back, because it would embarrass Jane. So think about all the messages that were there, you know, the message is, Jane’s embarrassment is way more important than jeans moving where she needs to be. And, and so I was basically taught to be ahead, or to be in some way smarter, was not the thing that was going to be honored, what was going to be honored. And this was definitely honored and my family, the poor, the victim, the poor, poor me person, that was the one that got the attention. So I disengaged early in life and became very independent. Because I saw this phenomena I saw really that you know, and I would even try to talk her out of it. Now I can change, you can do this, of course, you can do this. So later in life, I realized, oh my gosh, that’s a phenomena that has taken hold in my life like I hold back, because I know the answer, but they don’t. So I’ll wait. And I and I have done that I did that. It really made me very mad, which was a good thing. Because I was I wasn’t mad at myself for buying into it. But of course, I was a kid at the time. And I think some of the people in your audience are going to this is going to resonate to them, I really do believe. But at the same time, I thought no more. I’m never holding back again. And so that became my credo from there that point forward is like, if I feel an urge to take a trip, or learn a new subject, or speak in front of crowds, or whatever, doing it, I’m doing it. And even if it scares the crap out of me, I’m going to go do it anyway. In fact, I’m going to do it twice as hard.

Brandon Handley 13:16
Yeah, one of the things that I heard another two is a, Your Honor, anger almost a little bit, right, you had this energy. Yeah, this is something that recently for me, had always been dismissive, kind of, of like, my anger or whatever. And more to your point, like when you grow up, you know, you, your parents be like, Well, you can’t be mad at this. Can’t be mad at that. So it’s like a kind of a depression, right? Well, I guess I won’t be angry at this, and I won’t be angry and mad the other day, and, and it was a, I just held it for a minute. I was like, You know what, that’s I’m just angry. And that’s okay. You know what, that’s that’s what that emotion is that I’m feeling. And you could take it from there and redirect it right. And, you know, kind of redirect that energy. But there’s no sense in not acknowledging it for what it is to open this other door for you. Right, that, you know, that anger, that frustration when you found it and acknowledged it opened a new door for you?

Jeane Walters 14:09
Yes, it did. And also, the other thing I would urge people to do is when they feel that anger to ask themselves some questions, what am I really angry about? Because I can say I’m angry at my teacher, I’m angry at my mom, I’m angry at my sister. But really, it was me that took on the message and said, Okay, now you have to hold back. They didn’t say it. I just said it to myself. And that’s what happens with most people. They take something and then they internalize it and make it about themselves. You know, and though that’s so those are some of the things we’re in what I work with someone I can catch that and go, this is what I heard you saying this is where you’re telling yourself you can’t move forward. Right? And when a lot of times when they just see it, it’s like whammo, you know, like for me, it was a breakthrough. And, and for them, it could be a breakthrough. too, so we have a lot of breakthroughs in life if we learn to use them. I don’t think anger is bad. I think it’s really hard on you if you live in anger.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Sure, sure. I mean, again, like SOS It was a I’ve been dismissive of anger, right? And kind of like I had like, a wall off from from accepting or acknowledging the emotion versus Okay, that’s anger, you know, to your point. Where’s that coming from? Why am I feeling it? Am I angry at me? Or the situation? Right, you know, just don’t even pretend.

Jeane Walters 15:32
What do I believe that I’m angry about? Sure.

Brandon Handley 15:34
Yeah, I mean, because the opportunity to kind of take one step back away from it. And I love that you kind of talked about this in the book, tuners, a.

Jeane Walters 15:42
angers powerful. Yeah, it’s very powerful. And I what I notice about anger is we people get angry, when it’s time to take a step forward. Anger is like something that serves you, if you use the power of it to move forward. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 15:58
yes, it’s making me think it’s making me think of the thrust of wings, right? Like, you’re right. I’m just gonna get every lift off out of here. So

Unknown Speaker 16:07
so I really Yeah,

Brandon Handley 16:09
I like that, too. So and one of the things that to anxiety that your book is kind of covering anxiety, right, how to go from anxiety to another. And, and one of the ideas that struck me, and I’m not sure if this is true, like you are not on anxiety, but like, to me anxiety is kind of like this energy source and not being able to direct it right, appropriately. And, and so you’re just kind of like, ooh, what do I do with all this, and then having no internal or external appropriate, quote, unquote, direction causes this, this anxious thing happens, that makes sense,

Jeane Walters 16:42
oftentimes, is being in it, whatever the in it is, you know. But one, one thing I would say, and I say, to give you an immediate change, is if you’re sitting, then get up, or if you’re inside, go outside, whatever you’re doing, stop that and do something different. Just shift it, shift the energy, and just like that, you’ll get some relief. But once you like, let go of what you’re doing and where you’re at, then you can actually move your mind to a higher place, like imagine that you’re sitting on top of a mountain, and you’re looking down at the problem, whatever you think the problem is, and you’re just sitting there observing it, without any feeling, just watching it, your mind will now be open to some other ways of dealing with some possibilities will come through. But we have to shift our mind to get out of that mindset first, you know, and most of the time, we’re anxious because we’re feeling helpless, or it but the truth of the matter is, you’re you’re never really helpless. You, you can always do something different. You know, even if it’s like, stop everything, go to the gym for a while or just get outside and take a short walk five minutes, you’ll come back, you’ll you’ll be have a new fresh mind, your mind will always channel your answers, if you discipline your mind to be able to do that. Do you want to talk about that?

Brandon Handley 18:07
Yeah, I do. So I think he talks about it in the book too, right? And I’ll give you just my perspective. And see we’ll play off of that if that’s okay, you know, just kind of, you know, your, your your consciousness, like what we’re eminently aware of, like, I can see you You can see me we can hear this conversation, but the, to leverage it as kind of a filter as to kind of what you accept, assess like the, we’ll call it the 5%. Right? That’s my active brain. And then my subconscious is the rest of my brain like another 95% of there’s like, this is the thing that breeds my breath, does my blood draws my hair knows, I don’t know how to do any of that. But I’m doing it right. So once I realized I’m doing all these super powerful things already, I’m like, Well, why don’t I toss this question that like this 5% of like, my brain does, like, there’s a squirrel type stuff, right? I’m like, Alright, well, I tossed you know, the the one that’s got the capability to breed the breath and do all these things. I’m going to toss the I’m gonna toss the question to that. Yeah. And, and, and just walk away? Because I don’t know that I mean, so how is your approach similar? Where would you you know, I’m sure yours is different. But I’m just curious. So

Jeane Walters 19:20
no, I love that. But because it’s like getting into the not knowing is what I call it getting into not knowing is powerful. And the reason it’s powerful is because we open our mind to the field that knows, but we can’t open our mind to the field that knows, as long as we’re going, Well, I know what I have to do. And I’m going to do this and I’m going to do that. And this is way we’ve always done it and so forth. And all we’re doing was is on the dribble. We’ll go around it. Yeah. So if you take if you go to not knowing and go, I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t know it. I just think there’s tremendous power in that. My method is to meditate and so basically What I’m doing is going into my 5%, as you would call it into my Viber set and just yielding to it, and allowing myself to just live in that spaciousness, because it’s very spacious. And to just be there, and whether if I have a question, okay, but sometimes I just go, there could be in the spaciousness, what it does is condition, your mind that it conditions your mind, and your mind is way bigger than your brain, by the way. But I know you know that. It conditions you to be able to live in this spaciousness all the time. So a lot of people don’t understand it, because it’s very nebulous. I mean, there’s not a forum to it, you know, and we like to have forms to everything. But anyway, once we learn to practice that, you’ll notice that people who meditate regularly are calmer, they don’t tend to be reactive, so much. They’re just they just healthier, because the blood pressure goes down. I mean, all of this been documented. But I love your idea about, go to the 5%. And just listen to that for a while. When you meditate. After a while your intuition gets stronger and stronger. We all have intuition everybody does, but it gets stronger, stronger to where you’re really learning how to listen to it all.

Brandon Handley 21:15
Thank you. And then you know, kind of the idea of, you know, what you focus on, right? I mean, that’s the other thing too, right? If you focus on that victimhood, you know what happens, right, and then how I weigh it, let’s talk a little bit about that. And maybe how you’ve gotten some clients to shift?

Jeane Walters 21:32
Well, first of all, you have to point it out to them. And, you know, if they’re real attached to it, they don’t like it. If you put it, but but you know, I feel like my job is my job. And if they come here, then they’re ready for me. So you have to point out that Oh, my gosh, you sound very much like a victim, you know, like, and you’re letting this person run you. And I pointed out a lot, you know, I mean, people do it. Like you’re letting the news run you right now and you’re letting the politics and what everybody’s saying run you I had a little girl in here. She’s 18 very cute. And she said, I asked her a question about how do you feel about that? And she said, Well, I I have to I have to talk to my friends. And I go, No, no, no, no, I don’t want to consensus. I only want to hear what you have to say about it. What do you feel? And she was like a deer in the headlight. She She was so not used to just coming from our own heart. But when I said, No, wait, just tell me what you think she did. And she was so clear and so perfect. And I was hoping that that was the moment she walked away with that, that she doesn’t need a consensus to figure out what she what she feels. So but I think that’s kind of typical. I hear it a lot like, well, so and so said this, and so and so said that I went and what are their credentials now?

Brandon Handley 22:51
Yeah, I mean, you know, look, we’ve been, we’ve been conditioned to look for others for answers all the time, right? School, go through school. Everybody else in front of us got the answers. Yeah, you’re at home, you know, your parents have the answers for what’s best for you. And even as a parent, right, like, I realized, I don’t have the best answers for my own children. Right, like, but that’s how we grew up. Right. That’s kind of how we grew up. I think that I’d be curious on your take, too. Are you seeing from you know, you’ve been you’ve been at this for a little bit now. Are you seeing a pickup, a rise in consciousness and awareness? I like to I like the word awareness, I think more Are you seeing present arise?

Jeane Walters 23:33
I do. I think this whole time period that we’re in right now is chaotic, but the thing about it is, is we’re moving as a whole quantum field, we’re moving into a different part of our growth, we’re changing from a very masculine, you know, very aggressive kind of energy into a calmer, more nurturing energy. And it’s kind of a mess. I mean, we’re, we’re moving from one to the other. We’re not in one completely. We’re not in the other completely. So it’s kind of mixed up right now. But but it’s all moving. And if we look around we go. There’s people being very kind. There’s people. Here’s something I hear all the time, I’m simplifying my life, I’m simplifying my life, I’m giving everything away. You know, I don’t want to have all this stuff anymore. And I think that’s a sign that’s a sign and I’m here at least every day, that people are just moving into a simpler energy. They don’t want to be cluttered anymore. Yeah, they don’t want to be owned by the what they own found out

Brandon Handley 24:33
that I mean, because he owned you, and the things that you have basically own you right and that or identify you and

Jeane Walters 24:43
you have to take care of them. You know, they’re taking space in your house, or you’re paying for their space that they’re sitting in a box on the shelf. That’ll never be in

Brandon Handley 24:51
the boxes. Lots of boxes. One of the things that you’ve got in the book I really enjoyed too, and I think you touched on it for Second, is that in your spiritual nature, you are also perfect. Right? We talk about this reminds me of a line that I heard from Bob Proctor a lot. It’s just like your spiritual DNA is perfect. Yes. Right. So what do you mean by that? Like? And how can how can I begin to use that as a seed for my own greatness?

Jeane Walters 25:22
What a lovely question. When you see a baby, you see pure light and energy you see love, you see inquisitiveness, you see, adventure, you know, you see, what is this? And what is that? And how does it work, and I want to do it, and you see joy and laughter, right, that’s our true nature. And so what we do tend to do is look at our body, we look at our things, we look at our form, and then we judge Well, you know, my nose is too big, or my losing hair, whatever it is, we make up in our mind. And we make that, you know, I, I, this thing about finding, you know, finding something wrong with you. I mean, a lot of that has been grown out of religion as a matter of fact, but as pure as pure energy. And when in the violences, God made light and called it good. And if you look, if quantum physicists look deep, they say take a microscope and look deep, deep, deep into everything, every substance, and you what you’ll find is light. So that means if you look inside of us, you’re going to find light. I’ve seen it since I was a little kid the light. But so that’s who we are, we are the light, but we’ve taken on all these other identities. So. So when we’re rebel, for instance, then we’re living out of rebelliousness, which can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on how we use it. But we’re forgetting that who we are as a as a being is perfect. So that means when we come from love, we’re perfect. But we’re always perfect. As a spiritual being, we’re always always perfect. It’s when we identify with something beyond that, that’s when we get in trouble. That’s when we that’s when we look at ourselves and find fault and judgment and so forth. Does that make sense? Is that

Brandon Handley 27:13
it does, I enjoy that. It’s just so once you realize I yeah, once you realize that, you know, applying that right? And so I think, you know, for example, what I do is I once I realized that I used that as a seed for just to let my spirit grow, right? Not necessarily make myself feel better about anything, but just to realize that creature of divinity creature, the light, right type of thing, and again, spiritual DNA is perfect. So what am i growing? You know, I’m you look, I’m not gonna sit here and say, I’m perfect. You belong in

Jeane Walters 27:49
consciousness to have that awareness that you are in every moment, that perfect self. Yeah, you know, and that means if you fall off your bike, you just get back up and get on your bike, it doesn’t mean anything about you. It doesn’t mean you’re a bad bike rider or that you’re a klutz, or anything else, it just means you fell off your bike. Sure, all that life is that, you know, we define ourselves too much at the times, but what we did or did not do, and, and that’s, it’s good to learn from those things. But it’s not okay to define yourself as a loser, or even a winner or, because that’s a definition again, and it live, every definition limits ourselves. It Right now, we said we’re probably going to Democrat, we’re an independent, we’re, we’re, we’re limiting ourselves, because then we had to fit into that mold, whatever we dream up that mold to be. And we’re, we’re we’re more than that. We’re more than that. So I think this whole idea that we have spiritual, our spiritual DNA is perfect is realizing that whatever direction we go, we’re gonna find our way.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Let’s talk about that a little bit, too, because I really love that you hit on that in the book as well, you know, kind of no matter what choice you make, you’re gonna be okay. Right. So let’s talk to the audience a little bit about that. And maybe some examples of where you seen that play out for yourself.

Jeane Walters 29:14
Well, divorce. I mean, the first time I got a divorce, it was like, Oh, my God, you know, it was a stigma. And yet at the same time, and I’ve worked with so many people and picked on was there’s more diverse people than there are people are long term marriage, you know, that allowed, you know, I feel like there’s a theme and a purpose to every marriage and every relationship, for instance. And that when you maybe it’s to help you that my first marriage was to help me become very strong and independent, and to learn how to be responsible. I had four kids, you know, so there was a lot of responsibility there and I learned it but there was a point at which I needed to grow beyond that, and I was not going to be Be able to I was going to be held back again, hold back. So it was time to move on and and find another way. So is that a failure? Is that a success? What is it? You know, it’s To me, it’s like, it’s not even falling off your bike, it’s just realizing this particular part of the pathway is now complete. And I like the idea of going you completed that graduated from that. And because I think that’s a more accurate way of looking at things than to say, Oh, that was so sorry, that failed for you. And it didn’t fail. You know, it was a great success. I was even confronted someone on the radio, and he said, Oh, boy, you’re just saying whatever you’re saying, because your marriage failed. And I said, I didn’t have a failure of a marriage. My marriage was perfect. You know, it got me exactly where I needed to be. And hopefully him too, depending on because willingness, you know, but I think that’s a really typical example for a lot of people. And the same thing is true with jobs. I’ve seen people there was a fellow I met who was a head engineer at this company. And he had been there a long time. And he was going to be a lifer. And something happened in the company, that and they went down, the buck fell on his desk, and they said, you know, your fire, you can’t be here anymore. And he, first of all, he grieved. And then he said, Wait a minute, I’ve always wanted to start my own company. And he said, I never would have done that as long as I was in that situation. And so he started his own company was very, very successful. So I think that that’s how I look at things that happen for me and with other people is that there’s beginnings, and there’s endings, there’s always beginnings. And the first time I did a lecture, I was a total mess. But I know I was scared. And so what I did was, of course, I did it. And it was not very good. But each time then I went out to do a lecture I asked myself, so what exactly happened just then? And when did you get comfortable? And what made you comfortable? And when I started answering those questions and looking at the whole experience, I realized, when I decided to shift my attention to the audience, and not to me, I was fine after that. So. So that’s why the transitioning, inexperienced is a wonderful thing. Because you you can learn so many beautiful truths, by just observing it and asking yourself some questions. But the second you start judging it, then you’re, you’re kind of lost, because now it’s a bad experience. You know, I’ve heard people told me that being sick was the best thing that ever happened to them, because they realized they weren’t doing what they really wanted to do. And they can one gal one fella told me, he decided to become a clown. And he said, I’ve always wanted to be a clown. And so he decided to become a clown, because he got sick. And he realized I can’t waste my life anymore. So those are the things that I just really get a lot of inspiration from that. That’s kind of how I conducted myself.

Brandon Handley 33:11
So if you’re sick, you know, you’re not doing what you maybe you should be doing. realign yourself. And so I think that that’s, that’s also a lot of fun. And I think that there was, you know, another similar relationship that you mentioned in the book, too, that I thought was pretty cool, right? Like, there was a woman who had grown past that kind of relationship, but it was her self that needed the focus. And so she gave herself the focus. And it was just within that, that time that you know, she became happier and kind of let go with some other aspects in the relationship that she been giving energy and attention to, and therefore how to happier relationship.

Jeane Walters 33:49
Yes, yeah, right. That happens all the time. Yep, sometime, Brandon. And because we were so sort of programmed with this idea that we’re here for everybody else. And I love the idea of service. I love the idea of service. But I think the first person I serve is me, you know, because there’s no way I can serve anyone else if I don’t pay if I haven’t nurtured the quality wisdom within my own self, you know? So yeah, my mother was a great martyr. And we all all three of the girls learn Marty damn well, but I would catch it and go, Oh, my God, that’s my mother. And, you know, and I need to stop and reevaluate and go, Wow, how much do I give and how do I give and what really works for me because I am a giver. But I don’t want to exclude myself in the process, because that’s part of what made her sick. And it makes everybody sick.

Brandon Handley 34:51
Let’s uh, right. So, you know, kind of what you’re saying to and you also said this in the book, give, give, give like friendship. Brain give of yourself and I love the I forget where I heard it, but you’re, you know, you are the giver and the gift. Yes. So So what does that mean to you and just share that with with the group.

Jeane Walters 35:15
We have energy coming in through us all day long it comes into us. And then our job is to give it out. Okay, so we can give it out through a smile. And we can give it out through applause. Or we can give it out through supporting someone or we can give it out through writing a book or doing a podcast or giving out energy. And so many if we don’t know how to do that, well, if we’re not following the our own inner voice, and if I’m an artist, I want to give art, if I’m counselor, I want to give help and wisdom and support. So when we’re when we’re listening to that we’re giving it but what happens is it comes right, the energy comes right back into us only it’s multiplied. So giving is a very powerful thing. And the giver is is the one that gets the most out of it. But what we’re giving is, whatever I am is what I’m giving. So I’m giving nurturing, I’m giving kindness, I’m giving loans, I’m giving you support. Somebody else is giving their artistic ability, or someone else’s giving. They’re fantastic on how to fix cars, they can listen to an engine and go, I know exactly what it is. I think that’s a huge gift. I think somebody else’s giving. They know how to grow vegetables like crazy. And then they they do that and give that. So we’re giving all the time we’re giving up who we are. And that’s exactly perfect. That’s exactly what we’re here to do. So you’re not to, you know, there was a story of Norman Vincent Peale. Remember him power positive thinking. And he told a story about this young man he was working with and a young man had failed at the insurance business three times. Why was he in the insurance business because his dad was very good at the insurance business. And he wanted his son to succeed. But he forgot to notice that his son was not an insurance man. So what the son with peel was noticing as well. He was talking to this kid, he was feeling the wood on the table next to him. And he made a comment. He said, I noticed you’re feeling that word on the table. What is it about that? You said I love Ford. I absolutely love what I love. I have a building with it. I love making furniture out of it. I like designing furniture. I love it. And he said, Why aren’t you doing that? You know, so the kid got permission to follow his heart and do what he loved. And he was wildly successful doing this furniture. So to me the gift was his beautiful creativity, ability, his skill, you know, and what he received back was was appreciation, low money, you know, whatever. And, but he prospered because of that because he was alive now doing what he giving away what he what he was

Brandon Handley 38:10
right. And I love that and you talk about it in the book as well is the idea of kind of just doing what you love. And not chasing the money for it and think I’m guilty. Just as much as the next person. Especially with like, you know, social media, Instagram, all the all the Go, go do this thing that you love and monetize it, do the things you love and monetize it. Yeah. And and just trying to let that go what you know, kind of walk somebody through that, you know, how do you detach yourself even from the monetization aspect of it? Knowing I think, again, to that everything’s gonna be okay, just go do what you love. I mean, when

Jeane Walters 38:49
you get I think it, it becomes a natural movement. You know, you have to like, plan, I’m going to make a lot of money with this furniture, I think it becomes a natural movement. Like, I love your chair where you build me a chair like that, and I want to give you money for it. Okay, great. I’ll do that. And so I think it becomes a natural thing it did for me anyway, I was teaching a lot and in my students would always come to me and my counseling. And then one person said to me, why don’t you that’s your really your job. I mean, that’s really what you’re here to do. Why don’t you just do it and get paid? And I went, well, it made sense to me, because I realized that when people pay for it, they receive it. Have you noticed that?

Brandon Handley 39:34
Well, yeah, there’s I mean, there’s a big there’s a big piece in there too, right? Yes. And you’ll see the flip side of this where people will, you know, say, Hey, I’m gonna charge for something such as spiritual coaching, right? Like, well, you don’t need to charge for that. Well, if you don’t set a value for it, then then people won’t value it and it’s not just and and, you know, listen, that to me is more of just a socio kind of setting that works. Right. And if I don’t charge you for it, then then it’s gonna go on the shelf with everything else.

Jeane Walters 40:05
Exactly. And that’s what I noticed. Because in my in that when I first started teaching, I wasn’t charging for classes. And then then I noticed they weren’t taking it seriously. When I started charging for the classes, everybody started doing the things they asked them to do.

Brandon Handley 40:20
And the results were probably, you know, twice as effective, right? I mean, if if I give you something for free, and you don’t use it, how useful is that?

Jeane Walters 40:27
Yeah. And it’s also frustrating for the teacher 100% Why am I doing I’m sharing this beautiful stuff, and you’re not doing anything with it, you know, but I want to get to your point, though, I think it happens organically. I mean, I think that when I have a fellow that was going to the junkyard and picking up pieces of interesting metal, and then then he would solder them together or whatever, he found that and make these art pieces. And he just, he loves doing it. But at some point, he decided to take him to an art fair, at some point, he’s selling his art pieces. So I don’t think that you have to start out with the idea. Like, I’m gonna make a million bucks This way, you know, I but I think it comes organically, you know,

Brandon Handley 41:09
that makes sense, right? People start doing their art as kind of a again, you get and get rid of getting rid of the idea of a side hustle or putting pressure on yourself to create, right, and I think that that’s not a piece of start winding down here with, you know, the idea that you need to create, you know, your experience here your spiritual, everything boils down to the need to self Express, self actualize, and create a soft people about that.

Jeane Walters 41:40
Well, and even as a dad, you know, as a creative experience that, you know, when your son asks you a question, you’ll, you’ll have to ponder or maybe you want to take them someplace, and then there’s maybe something that you’re instructing them with that, but it’s a creative expense, even like when they’re crying and you just hug them. That’s a creative experience. So in we’re here we are creative beings. And we’re constantly emitting our, our channeling it. channeling is a great word, our creativity. And so we just do what comes naturally. And we’re really good at it, like, you

Brandon Handley 42:17
know, so I remember talking to somebody, I was coaching somebody, and I said, hey, you’re very creative. And she goes, Well, I’m not creative. I don’t know how to draw, I don’t know how to do this. And you’re breaking out of that paradigm that creativity is bound to paint, this is bound to a musical instrument. And to your point there, you’re saying creativity is creating a moment, right? Creating an instance where it’s memorable doesn’t have to be memorable. You are the creator of that, right?

Jeane Walters 42:43
Yeah. And then take it to another level is that where are you focusing your mind? What are you creating today? are you focusing on everything that has gone wrong in your life, then then you’re just creating more of that. If you focus on your appreciation, joy of everything, that’s that you’ve experienced everything that’s right in mind you, you create more of that, wherever you put attention on grows. And so that’s, I guess, the biggest meaning and message I’d like to give out is that pay attention to what you’re focusing on, because that is what’s going to grow in your life.

Brandon Handley 43:18
I love that you bring that up, because I’m just kind of glad I had some highlights in the book, right? While I was reading and you know, right there, what you’re saying too, is when you stop focusing on negativity, but I have this line highlight is the moral Is that you, if you are removing negativity, from your thinking, be sure to grow something new. It’s there. And I think that that may be a piece that is often left out in that conversation like, oh, if I just focus on both, so talk me through that one.

Jeane Walters 43:46
Yes, yes. The mind is always full of ideas and such. And so we if we say we’re going to create this empty mind when we meditate, No, you’re not. What you’re going to do is in the beginning, and you might get there eventually. But your mind is always busy. So if you if you don’t choose where you’re going to focus, then it will keep going back to what you’ve always focused on. So you’re really training the mind your it’s about training the mind to be where you want it to be, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, I just think he’s an amazing example of this. He was born in Austria, and he decided he didn’t want to stay there. But he went to a Kawan movie, and he decided I’m going to be an American cowboy. And so from that point on, he focused everything he did toward that goal. And he said, people would tell me all the time, it’s impossible. He said, I didn’t pay attention. They told me you couldn’t do it didn’t pay attention. Your accent is too thick, didn’t pay attention. And he just he took the English lessons. He, he did the bodybuilding thing. He found his way he people started supporting him. You got to the US me focus, focus, focus, focus, and he refused. used to any idea that he wasn’t going to make it. And I think that is so powerful. But that was the way he chose to focus his mind. And when we do that, that’s amazing. I mean, we can move mountains, we can move mountains. So we have to recognize when we’re off the track, and then we have to recognize we are off the track and move ourselves on the track. What is it you want? Now? How can you begin to focus now, what’s one step you could take today that will move you in that direction, anytime, write a letter, send an email, you know, make a phone call something, get busy, you know, and when you do that, you move toward the goal, the goal, the universe works that way. Whatever you focus on increases, the universe completely support you in that. And so when people are worried, worried, worried, worried, worried, worried about being sick, sick, sick, sick, sick, guess what happens, you know, and so this is so important, and it’s so relevant right now that we decide we’re what we want to focus on and keep moving. Just keep moving.

Brandon Handley 46:03
The big partner, right is just to take that first step. And make it be small. And that’s fine, right? Because a just any, any, any action into the direction of your dreams, your desires, whatever you feel like calling it to me anyways, your signals, the universe is like, Okay, I’m ready to I’m ready. Right, let’s let’s start. One of the things that is newer to me, and I’m curious on your take on this is the idea of surrendering to the universe, right? If I surrender to the universe, how does a if I surrender to the universe, I’m like, Okay, give me all the things or do all the things and like, I’m not gonna try and direct you because the universe has a greater idea and more experience than I do. Overall, right? But how do you pair that up with like, setting goals or like, you know, trying to make a direction? I think that that’s, that’s an interesting one, which I

Jeane Walters 46:59
love that. Thank you for asking that question. That’s great. So I said, so we set a goal, like Arnold is great example, I’m going to be an American cowboy, I’m going to be in the movies, and then he surrendered to how it was going to happen. But everything that walked across his path that looked like a pet, a way to get there, he took advantage of it. So that’s what we do is that we set our, our intention, you know, I, for me, it was I want to live in this energy of this higher self, I want to live there, and I want to help other people live there. So then I look at a class and a class might show up and go is that part of my journey? Is that I look at a relationship and ask, Is that part of you know, am I lined with this vote? And my focus? Is this part of my alignment? And then we get those answers, we begin to see that all of those things show up, because they’re in alignment with what we’ve focused on. But, but he didn’t say, well, it has to be through bodybuilding, or it has to be that bodybuilding magazine showed up. And he went, I’m going to do that. And that was part of his journey. So I think he’s a great example of seeing he knew what he wanted, and he didn’t know how he was going to get there. But as things showed up, he would take advantage. So that’s what surrendering to the universe is all about. I don’t know how I’m going to get there, you don’t know, you’re going to get there. So we acknowledge that. And in so doing, we create mental space to go. So what’s the next opportunity?

Brandon Handley 48:28
That’s great. sounds a little bit like the line of you looking for the evidence of it happening, right? And also, I guess it I don’t know about for you. But for me, I’ve got to have this kind of mentality of you know, this is a benevolent universe, I’m here for a reason and a purpose. You know, this is my intention going forward. And now I’m going to look for the evidence that the universe is kind of setting that up for me.

Jeane Walters 48:55
Well, if you think about your son and say, You’re I don’t know how old he is, but you’re going to teach your mind or throw the basketball or something or ride a bike, you know, you know that there’s you start with getting him on the bike, and maybe you’re holding the bike. But at some point, he’s now balancing pretty well, and you can kind of push the bike forward, and he’s got it. So to me, if you look at that as an example, that’s exactly what the universe does for us. You know, it’s teaching us through different modes and modalities, you know, how to get on the bike and ride it know without crashing?

Brandon Handley 49:30
Sure, sure. Well, is there anything else out of the book that you want to hit on? While we’re here?

Jeane Walters 49:38
The main thing that I am saying in this book is you can make a choice. Yeah, you can make a choice that if you want to live in a joyful life, you can choose that and then and then do the things that are necessary. There’s practical steps in every chapter. So you start One step, start on another step to get started, and start moving your mind and your energy in a way so that you are living the life you really want to live. Your it’s your choice, you have dominion. That’s the main thing I wanted to teach with this book.

Brandon Handley 50:17
That’s powerful. I think that, you know, toy choice, it’s like, because I have it written down here, to kind of hit on choice. But, you know, making learning to make that choice. Finding that awareness is kind of where the power is at. The funny thing about that is this for me anyways, when I did my journey, I thought I was always making choices, you know, but what I was really doing was accepting others choices for me.

Jeane Walters 50:43
Yeah, right. That’s what we do we start out that way, because we don’t even know that we can make a choice. Right? Yeah. And then, and then sometimes the parents these days are going well, do you want to do belt volleyball? Or do you want to do soccer, you know, so there is a choice about But before that, we’re just told, do this, do this go shorter this time, and whatever. So we do have to kind of teach ourselves along the way, we really are our best teachers.

Brandon Handley 51:09
And for people that haven’t figured that part out yet, like, what is

Jeane Walters 51:15
your life, just like your life and go? How is my life right now? Where am I happy? Where am I not begin to look at that and go, what choices got me to this point? And what would I like to change? And then what are the choices, I need to make an order to move in another direction. Just look at your life, your life will tell you exactly what your choices have been. And that is no judgment at all. Just observe it like you’re observing somebody else’s life. And then ask yourself some questions. You know, does this fit me? Because sometimes we stay in things so long that they don’t fit anymore. And then it’s not serving anybody to stay in something that’s over. It’s finished. You know, people die in their jobs. I mean, they’re like, they have dead eyes.

Brandon Handley 52:00
Yeah. Listen, I mean, so I mean, that was I mean, my 20s I was, I was at I was at a job. And it was, it was a fine paying job. It was a corporate job. There was money, there was benefits. But what there wasn’t was living. Yeah, I looked around everybody, and I saw the day everybody’s kind of walk around like zombies. What you’re talking about glazed over. And I set myself as like, if this is gonna be like, the end game as it can wait. Come back, right. This isn’t. This isn’t where I’m gonna spend my youth. And and I didn’t. And

Jeane Walters 52:38
you though, I mean, really. Kudos to you. Because you went for the, you know, he had a lot of money at the job, and a lot of people will stay for that. literally dying inside? Yeah, they have money. Sure. It’s like believing it. You can have money doing anything. I mean, I feel like money is one of the easiest things to get.

Brandon Handley 52:59
Sure. But well, hey, let me share that one with people. Because I mean, what how did you develop that mindset?

Jeane Walters 53:05
Well, you got to get past the unworthy stuff. I mean, you got to get past this idea that you’re limited being you know, like Arnold, he, he grew up in Austria for heaven’s sakes, he didn’t even know English. Right. You know, those were limitations by a lot of people’s estimation, but he decided no. So I think it’s how we look at things. I mean, it a lot of people just don’t feel like they deserve to have an amazing life. And but their father, I call it the yellow brick road. You didn’t you know, you grow up, you graduate, you get your education, and you get married, you have kids, and it’s like, wait for retirement. And, you know, it’s a road to death. Yeah, sure. Yeah. You know, I’m, I always want people to look a little higher than that, you know, like, those are all great things in their turn, if they’re right for you. Sure. And they’re not right for everybody. Right. You know, we can’t make it a cross the board formula, but I think that’s what we have done culturally. Right. You know, in your measured by that like, No, no, no, no, no, you don’t get to be measured by that. How many toys do you have? You probably have more toys than I do. So, does that mean you’re more successful than I am? No.

Brandon Handley 54:23
Right?

Jeane Walters 54:24
What is if success is joy?

Brandon Handley 54:26
Yeah, I mean, look, you got to have some joy, right? in your life.

Jeane Walters 54:30
What are the most, you know, I think about a Mahatma Gandhi didn’t have any money. Okay, um, Jesus didn’t work on money. You know, Buddha didn’t. He was rich, but he gave it all up. So all of these great masters. I mean, I don’t and Martin Luther King didn’t like work to have a million dollars. He didn’t do that. He had a mission show all of these great masters. were telling us that, you know, money was not their endpoint. Doesn’t but I don’t think money is a bad thing. I don’t want to give the wrong message. Oh,

Brandon Handley 55:03
yeah, no, no, but but but but the thing, more important to what you’re saying before, right? You know, do what you love and the money will follow. But we’re talking about these other people, you’re talking about the Masters, you’re talking about Martin Luther King, what they did have was something greater than themselves in their purpose.

Jeane Walters 55:21
And they were fed and they had whatever they needed. I mean, Nelson Mandela is another great example. I mean, you know, it wasn’t money was not the end all. But, you know, he had what he needed. I mean, he never went hungry. So that’s how life is, you know, we can’t make money, the goal, we can make it something to enjoy

Brandon Handley 55:42
100%. And it’s funny, because, you know, we have this kind of this conversation with my children, too, right? They tell like, hey, I want to, I want to get a good education so I can get a good job. So I can do as I stop, I’m like, wait, you you want to you want to provide value? Right? So I mean, just kind of flip the script a little bit. Yeah, I want you to make money in our money. Absolutely. But yeah, to do it, be because you’re providing value and we’re columns, he wants off, whatever, you know, have those those conversations with the children. So this has been a blast. I enjoy it. I want to say thank you for you know, it was your assistant that reached out to me, but you took the call when I called you back and enjoyed our conversation that first time. Enjoyed this conversation. And you’ve got plenty of other books for people to go to check out on Amazon. But this one, the journey from anxiety to peace is Is it is it out there now is it released?

Jeane Walters 56:32
It’s Yeah, it’s available. It’s actually international bestseller. Look at anything about the world ready for

Brandon Handley 56:38
you.

Unknown Speaker 56:40
It tells me there’s a lot of congratulations.

Brandon Handley 56:43
Yeah, there’s a lot of anxiety and I think this is I think this is a great book and like you said you’ve got on you know, in the sub sub text right? Yes, you know, practical steps to handle fear embrace struggle, eliminate worry. And you did you had a lot of yet a lot of great tips in there. Just like you had the practical applications here in the conversation as well.

Jeane Walters 57:02
Thank you so much, Brandon. I really this is fun, and I really appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 57:06
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Sam Crowely Everyday is Saturday

Sam Crowley is a former Fortune 100 exec who launched the personal development brand Every Day Is Saturday & the hugely successful EverydayIsSaturday.com. Sam is a best-selling co-author, speaker & business coach.

I followed Sam’s podcast for a while and eventually, I got the bug… I needed to create a podcast and I hired him to be my coach… it was during the process of creating the podcast and working with Sam that I had my “awakening experience” and at some point I had asked Sam if he could tell me what he meant by bringing someone to Christ.

That was a couple of years ago, and I wanted to capture what that meant from him again so that I could share it here with you…

Check it out and, hey, check out his podcast as well… very good spiritual dope!

Interested in working with Sam? Check out his current site: https://launchmymovement.com/

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Brandon Handley 0:00
54321 Hey, their spiritual dope I am on today with the legendary Sam Crowley from every day is Saturday and something I haven’t talked about on this podcast is is that Sam was sounds like my coach Sam’s like the reason I have a podcast at all. So, you know, super excited to have you on is Sam, what’s going on?

Sam Crowley 0:25
Hey, Brandon, great to be back, man. It’s been a minute since the last time we chatted. So I’m fired up. And I love spiritual dope. I think that’s a great title for a podcast. So congrats,

Brandon Handley 0:35
man, I appreciate appreciate your huge inspiration as to why I am where I am today. And I think that your message will really resonate with the people that are listening to this podcast. And I always like to start these off with like, Hey, you know, God kind of talks to us, right? We’re just we’re just here, living out his message. Right? So in that vein, what’s God saying to you today that my listeners need to hear?

Sam Crowley 1:00
Well, I think no matter where you’ve been, man, no matter how big of it, like I am the world’s biggest screw up, you know, I’ve made way too many mistakes in my life and you know, too embarrassed to talk about most of them. We hide a lot from you know, our authenticity, because we’re afraid that other people may not want to hear it or resonate with it. And you know, we end up tripping over our past man. And I’ll tell you, if you and I’m not saying you got to put all your stuff out, you don’t need to do that. But I just did a Facebook Live Video literally right, before we jumped on about this topic. So if I can share that if it’s okay, I just yeah, absolutely just want to say that, you know, I help people really gain clarity and with their messages, you know, and people are like, Well, I’m not an A list celebrity or nobody knows me. And I’m not famous that. That’s great. Like that works in your favor, because I don’t know about you, but I am way past wanting to hear from Hollywood or a list celebrities about how to live my life, or who to vote for or anything like that. I just, I go to a movie, I want to watch a movie, you know, I want to learn from everyday people that are struggling, that are having financial relationship, money problems, not that they’re whining on me, but they’re one step ahead of where I am. So if I’m making 10 grand a month, I want to learn from somebody making 20 grand a month, if I’m in a, if I got a girlfriend, I want to learn how to make that person, my wife and how to treat her right. If I want a closer relationship with God, then I want to plug into somebody who doesn’t need to be a pastor, just but somebody whose works have some messy stuff in their life. And they figured out how to just get through the valley, they haven’t figured life out. I mean, nobody’s got that figured out. So God places on my heart every day, watch what you say, Crowley because you’re a loose cannon out there. Okay, the tongue can be used for good and not so good. It can be used to tear down it could be used to build up. So make sure you try as best you can. Because I know you’re still gonna screw this thing up. But you got a podcast, it’s been downloaded 20 million times you got a little bit of responsibility. Now you’re not that bubble on a skillet, from way back in the day, who could just go all over the place. And so I just want everybody to know, your path should be celebrated that you’re still here. You made it through. Nobody wants perfection. They just say they just want to know, can you get me from point A to point B, that’s all anybody wants. They want to pay you to solve the current problem in their life. That is if it’s cleaning your carpet, trimming your trees, coaching, building a website, figuring out a mortgage, that’s all they want.

Brandon Handley 3:19
That’s it, man. I love it. I love it. You know? And that was actually again, one of the things I loved about you, right? It was a week we connected you. You’re promoting your podcast course. And I bet I was like that’s it. I mean, this guy’s got something I want, right? And that can get me somewhere. And that was the course. And then when I got the course, here, Sam Crowley shows up and like a baseball cap. And you know, there’s a whiteboard flip chart, he’s just doing your thing. And you look, it looked like I could do it. Right. I was like, Well, okay, that’s the next step for me. How can I How can I move to what Sam’s doing right and share at the same time share my message, right? I share this thing that’s in my heart, finding, what is that thing in my heart, right? Because man, talk to me about how you know, give the audience here who doesn’t know every day is Saturday, a little bit of background?

Sam Crowley 4:12
Well, my daughter back in the day, I was a corporate slave and I’ve been in the corporate game for 15 years, and I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth. I was making about 110 grand a year salary, stock options, company car, all that stuff. But I had just become a dad recently, a few years prior to that. And my dad left me and my mom raising kids by herself. This was the late 60s I was born in 1968. My dad left you’d had he went crazy. just lost his mind left. My mom’s raising kids so you know, welfare and all that stuff. Free cheese, goodwill, clothes, all that and you know a beaut alcoholic mom pretty abusive verbally, but I knew she loved me deep down knew she loved me. She never told me never heard it once from a parent in my life. Wow. Or you are loved and I searched for that my whole life. It has a lot to do with why sometimes I do. stupid things is because I’m looking for that acceptance. Because I never had a grown up, man. All I ever heard from my mom was I never asked for you, and I never wanted you. You know, that’s what she told me a lot, you know, while she was on the ball. So I never held that against her though. So I said, God, if you ever get any kids, I’m just going to be the best part. I’m going to be that Dad, I’m going to be throwing the football, I’m going to be going to the games, the ballet, I’m going to be picking them up. And you know what, man? My daughters have never they don’t even know me ever having a job. They don’t recall me ever go into a job. And they don’t ever resonate. They just know me as the guy that’s into drop offline and the pickup line at school. And look, man, I am not you know, Mr. Mom, I’ve got a wife at 22 years, he does an amazing job. We have four daughters now. Youngest of which side story was born at 24 weeks one pound. And we didn’t sleep for three years because the kid was in children’s hospital. 221 days begging for life. When she comes home, we turn her house into a hospital. She was on a train ventilator and all of that. So you know, the everyday Saturday story, by the way, she’s six years old. Now the happiest kid you’d ever seen no trick, no ventilator still has a little bit of a feeding tube stuttering problem, things like that. But she’s built in the image of the Creator, just like you are just like every listener is built in the image of the Creator. You know, I’m a Christian. So I believe that we all have the Holy Spirit inside of us. And I think it would be a pretty cool conversation when we get to heaven. Everybody in the Old Testament, you got Moses, you got David, you got everybody like that. And, and they say, Man, what is it like to live with the Holy Spirit inside you? Hmm. We didn’t have that before Christ, like, Whoa, that would be like, wow, you got all these people in the Old Testament would have loved have had the Holy Spirit, the Spirit Jesus left behind when he died on the cross inside of them. Were bulletproof man, you know, we’re only here for a short period of time. That’s why I walk around with kind of a chip on my shoulder not to be an ass but just to say Hey, man, I got the Holy Spirit inside of me I don’t worry about finances, I have a little bit of anxiety, worry about my you know, but but that’s what it means to me. And the whole everyday Saturday messages is an opportunity for me to show up as my real self. And I know I’m gonna make some people I’m pissing people off, I get it, I’m gonna acquire taste. And I’m not I’m not everybody’s cup of tea, I get it. But I’ve been able to, you know, through only through the grace of God and the Holy Spirit inside of me to be able to build a movement here that people can resonate with and just allows them I teach people how to share a compelling story. That’s it. I teach people how I do 10 minutes story, podcast, in my car in a Dunkin Donuts parking lot. And I’ve been doing it for 15 years. And that’s really the crux of my business. It’s so embarrassing. But it’s what I do. Like that’s all I do

Brandon Handley 7:42
not and it works for you. Right? I never knew the the part were never never caught that, you know, your mom never even said that. You know, I love you. That’s tough, man. It’s a tough way to tough way to grow up.

Sam Crowley 7:55
But you make you appreciate, it makes you appreciate because it makes you do a 180 in life. Like if you’ve been if you’ve been an alcoholic really makes you want when you finally get on that and you’re sober for X amount of days, or you’ve been a drug addict or you’ve been up up, you’ve been addicted to porn. We all have addictions, man, I was addicted to money and ego and all that. But when you never hear I love you. You say it all the time to your kids when you don’t have a drink? Or do you make sure you’re more cognizant and forgiving of those that are going through tough times? I think it I’m not trying to go all you know the other way. But I really think it’s a blessing if you can just look at it from that perspective, you know?

Brandon Handley 8:32
Well, yeah, I think that it’s a it’s a big challenge to to get to that point, right? You got to get you got to get to that point to be able to say, you know, everything that I went through was to prepare me for what I need to go through. Right, or to help other or to help others get through similar things, right? Be like, Hey, here’s, here’s a path forward, you know where you are, right? Now, if you’re talking to somebody that’s in a similar situation that you went through, be like, hey, there’s, there’s a way out. And here’s what I found. That works for me, right? I love how you brought up like, you know, kind of the Holy Spirit, right? Being imbibed with that touch. I mean, I’m not 100% sure what you mean by that. So if you could tell the audience what that means to you, I’d love to love to share that.

Sam Crowley 9:08
What Jesus said that I leave my spirit with you when I die, I’m going to heaven. And I’m seated at the right hand of the cross. And I will come back again one day to judge the living and the dead, you know, and as Christians, we know that Jesus died on the cross for all of our sins we Christianity is not a deeds driven religion. You can’t you know, you can’t go and give money to the homeless or donate your clothes or say 10 our father’s in a hail mary or anything like that. That’s not getting you into God’s already given us through the grace of his son’s death. We have that tickets been punched. So it’s not like you go out there and you don’t act nice. It’s just that it doesn’t matter. Brandon, you could give all your money away all your earthly possessions away. I could go kill somebody and you and I are still getting into heaven. As long as I asked for forgiveness of my sins and accept Christ as my Savior. There are 10 commandments in the Bible. Thou shalt That steel is one of them. That you know. So if you steal $1 from somebody knowingly and I go kill someone, those are viewed equally in the Bible isn’t as you’ve broken a commandment, there is no little white lie or venial sin or mortal sin, all stuff. So what it means to have the Holy Spirit inside of you is that you’ve got that power of Jesus Christ inside of you, doesn’t mean you won’t die of cancer. Now, I mean, that we have, it’s a fallen world. That’s the other side of the coin. You know, I’ve lost friends in my 30s and 40s, I lost my mom in 1997. I mean, I’ve had nasty things done to me, I’ve done nasty things to people. I mean, it’s a fallen world, man, we also have this thing called free will, you know. But when you have the Holy Spirit inside of you, that means you have Jesus Christ himself inside of you. So when you have those bills that are sitting on your coffee table, and you just got laid off, it’s not like it’s a get out of jail free card, but it should allow you to rest in the peacefulness of Christ to know that we this is just a temporary gig, man, even if you live to the mortal age at 78, the average mortality in the US there, and I’ll give you the exact analogy of a gentleman, this pastor, Francis Chan, who used this analogy, imagine a row that goes all around the world, millions and millions of times just this big row, and millions and millions and millions and millions of feet of this row, at the very beginning of this rope rain is just that red marker. And just like that just right, the very beginning. That’s life on Earth. No, no rest of the rope represents eternity. So that’s why, like I said, I get mad, I fly off the handle, you know, and I get anxious about stuff. But when you rest in the word, you’re never anxious, because you’re resting in Christ Himself. This is all just such a temporary gig, man. It is.

Brandon Handley 11:51
I love it. And I love the idea too, that you, you don’t hide this from anyone. Right? Or at least back it up. Because when when I did, when I was, you know, a big listener of yours. You were, I think just kind of leading into sharing, you know, your Christianity like, full on like super hard, right? Like it was your it was it was the, you know, armor of God ages or whatever like that, right? Like, this is like you were just going full on. You talk about what it meant for you to incorporate that into your podcast. Well, you

Sam Crowley 12:28
know, I’ve always been a Christian was always like, I grew up Catholic. And then in 2005, I would, I would say, that’s what most people would view as the word like being saved. Like you’ve accepted Christ into your heart, you know, and then around, you know, five years ago, or so when I was going through all this stuff with my daughter, I’m like, man, all I have all we had was faith. That’s all we had. We didn’t have anything other than our faith. I’m not, I don’t know what to do with a kid born at one pound with a hole in her heart, several brain bleeds. I don’t even know she can see me. I mean, what do you do with a kid at one time? All you have is faith in God that at that point, at least, that’s all I had. So I started, you know, sharing more of it on social media. And then what’s funny is I just did one town a lot. I sent an email out to my list, and I said, Hey, man, I gotta give praise to God. You know, I don’t know if you guys get this, but I am a Christian. I believe in God, I just like everything I just told you, you know. And I had an email list of 39,000 people at the time, and I said, Hey, if you’re on if you want to stay on my list, man, and you believe this message, you click this link. Well, 38,000 of them did. Okay. So my email is basically going from 39,000 to 1000. But my business increased that year. So I mean, look, I don’t know, but I just, I’m not a preacher, Pastor, teacher,

Unknown Speaker 13:37
you know.

Sam Crowley 13:39
I mean, I think even Tony Robbins would acknowledge that all of the motivation that he says, or Jim Rohn, or Les Brown, it all comes from the Bible. It’s all the parables that Tony talks about, and Jim Rohn if you’ve never listened to him on YouTube, it’s a must listen. They all come from the Bible, Bob Proctor, they’re all biblically based, you know? And so they’re 66 of the best motivational books you’ll ever hear all wrapped into one book called The Bible, and a lot of people butcher it. Like they’ll say, money is the root of all evil. Well, no, the love of money is the root of all evil. Yeah, it’s easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a wealthy man to get into heaven. Okay, but that’s because money’s reference. There’s a reason why it’s referenced more than any other phrase in the Bible, because God knew it would become an idol to us, you know. So I’m not a pastor. I’m just really in tune with the Christian message. And if anybody wants to talk about religion over a beer, a glass of mirlo, I’m that guy. If you want me to quote scripture, I’m not that guy, because I can barely quote it, but I know who wrote it. And I’m got a pretty good relationship with the guy, I think, you know, but I’m not here to bring anybody to Christ. I’m here. If anybody were to say, Hey, tell me more about it like you did.

Unknown Speaker 14:46
I’m here to tell you more about it.

Sam Crowley 14:47
But I think the worst thing we can do as Christians is to try to beat the fish into the boat and say, repent, repent, you know, your last day No, because people don’t read. I think people resonate with more how you carry yourself, you know, then how you can Quotes scripture that actually turns me off on somebody does that like, quotes the Bible and throws it back at me, you know?

Brandon Handley 15:06
Now that can be that can be annoying, but it’s funny. It’s funny it’s you bring up, you know Bob Proctor right. And and that line the the idea of people people don’t resist change they resist being changed right from Bob Proctor like that’s that’s one of his lines the you know you brought up you bring it up like you know maybe your job is not to bring people to Christ but we you and I had a conversation where in that moment you felt like part of your role was to bring people to Christ. Even if you don’t feel like that’s your job? What does it mean to bring someone to Christ them?

Sam Crowley 15:41
Well, I think we have a mutual friend Adam, who thanked me because he claimed that I had brought him to Christ and he got baptized, and he let me know about it one day a few years ago saying, Hey, man, I got baptized, you know, you’re the reason I came to Christ and like, Wow, that’s pretty big deal, man. Like, I would give away all my money and all everything. God if some if I were to get that message, you know, because, as Paul says, and all the apostasy I mean, the reason they were persecuted, and all of that is because they want they were preaching the gospel, you know, and we’re sick. We’re the only reason we’re here as Christians is to share the good news. But I gotta tell you, dude, I ain’t going to Kroger in the produce section and sharing the good news with a stranger. I just don’t do that. And I know I’m supposed to do that. But I just can’t, I can’t do that, you know. But to bring somebody to Christ is like, that is monumental. I mean, that is amazing. Because now you know that they have that everything I just talked about earlier, they have that they rest in that piece, and they have that relationship. And it’s a personal relationship to everybody. That’s why I’m not in your face. But it’s personal to people. So, you know, if you are messing up, I’m not here to say, you know, stop watching the porn or stop stealing money or stop gambling or anything like that and say, Man, if you if you want to talk about it, if I can help you at all, I can share some great resources with you, but only when you’re ready, because if you’re not ready, it’s just it has the opposite effect, you know.

Brandon Handley 17:02
Now, I like that a lot, too. I think that’s almost fair to have some of these. I don’t know, put ourselves out there some of these endeavors, right. But also be willing to take that step towards that if that’s something that you think is good for you like, go go explore it and go find out what it’s like. And again, go to somebody like Sam, or others, like, you know, for Christianity or podcasting and marketing, right. For me, I think I think a big part of this whole journey has been having faith in what’s inside of me, right, the spirit that’s inside of me, Holy Spirit, I guess, right. I think that I could make that linkage, feeling that and then stuffing, you know, this was another huge. I love that. I still like this is a lie that echoes from Sam’s podcasts from back in the day, because when was the last time you stepped out in faith? Mm hmm.

Right.

Yeah. I’m sure he probably said it several times since since then on the podcast, but you know, you would hear Sam go When was the last time you stepped out? When is the last time you went out? You did something that you you believed in right. And in yourself, right. with purpose and passion does and Sam, if you haven’t listened to Sam’s podcast, this is something that he does very well. I told him I hadn’t listened for a minute. And I picked up podcasts listen a few this morning. It seems like charging, charging, gung ho with everything. And then it was so much it was so much fun just to because you are motivational, you are inspiring. You know, I caught the one where you know, your daughter was being bullied. Yeah. Right. And just just how fired up and how authentic you are. On your podcast, when somebody you know, reaches out to where should they be in life? Or what should they be thinking when they reach out to Sam Crowley to have you coach them or mentor them for podcasting,

Sam Crowley 18:54
they got to be ready to step like you just said it step out. And a lot of people really, they just and I was that way to man, I’m not here again, you got to be ready, you got to you got to be ready to launch your message. And that sounds pretty, like scary. And what do I do? It’s nothing. I mean, it’s just let me help you gain clarity on what your message is, like I said, you could be a carpet cleaner, tree trimming trees, you could be a motivational speaker, whatever it is you want to do, but everything comes to us through the power of a story. And I teach people how to tell their story. So you got to be ready to create your million dollar message, and then learn how to make money with that message. And that’s an organic play. It’s not a push button. I mean, we can all buy Facebook ads, drive traffic to a funnel and then deal with all those numbers. I’m more of an organic guy where I like to build it from podcasting is my main thing, but you could do it on YouTube. You could do it on Twitter, LinkedIn, Instagram, I mean, I’m just I focus on podcasts and because I’ve been doing it 15 years and I like to do simple, better. You know, if you talk about that one phrase right there, do simple better. So keep it simple and do it Better than everybody else. Don’t keep you know, look squirrel, you know, and you go chase in 10 different things. It’s just, I’ve seen that I’ve done it, how do I know what doesn’t work? I’ve done all this stuff I talked about that doesn’t work. The only way I know is because I’ve actually done it myself, you know? And so I’ve chased those squirrels to shiny objects thinking I’m gonna get on a webinar. Oh my god, I’m gonna do real estate liens and tax liens. And I’m gonna go do commercial real estate and I’m gonna go be an MLM. And I’m gonna have lotions, potions and pills in my basement. My I’ve done all that man. And you know what that works. There’s billionaires in the MLM industry, you know, who isn’t passionate about lotions, potions and pills, this guy, me, I wouldn’t be good at it. Because I’m not passionate about it. You know what, I’m passionate about getting on a podcast with you and talking about stuff that’s real. And, you know, when you talking about faith, a faith that’s never been tested can’t be trusted. So if you think that you’re going to operate that faith muscle without ever stepping out, it ain’t gonna work. Because if you’ve never tested it, how could you possibly trust it? You know,

Brandon Handley 20:59
always so much fun with Sam Crowley always so much fun. Sam, I know we’ve got kind of a short time period today. So I’m not going to try and drag anything out. You got time? Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, when I’m, when you also talked about being saved in 2005. Right. I’m curious what that look like and felt like for you?

Sam Crowley 21:21
Well, I had been through a bankruptcy. So I was humbled. Thank God when he’s when you’re ready to come to him. He I think he’s gonna humble everybody. At some point in time. I had an ego the size of Montana. Like I said, I was running a $90 million corporate division here in Cincinnati. And I had all these employees problem was I had 20 college credits, most of them gym and health class. I was ill prepared to manage anybody. I couldn’t get my dog to sit, let alone you know, get employees to listen to me. I was not a leader. I know. I am not john Maxwell. Okay. So I was just terrible, I think at what I did, but I was getting all these accolades and getting promoted, but I didn’t have a passion for it. And it all came crashing down. I left and I thought there’s going to be I bought a quiznos franchise and that what the hell I love went bankrupt, lost 300 grand, borrowed money from my sister lost that I had no money, man, no money, file bankruptcy October 11 2005. It was humbling. I didn’t bankruptcy is like a scarlet letter. I thought you could just not ever recover. It’s done, you’re done. And I lost my job and why I left my job. But then I went back to my job three months later working for everybody that used to work for me. And that’s when I would start going to church with my wife. And I’m like, Man, this is crazy. What’s really putting her hand in the air? What we don’t do that at cat like growing up Catholic. You don’t talk in church? You know, what’s that PowerPoint up there? Man? This is good. This is what is this a movie theater production or something? But then it started to work. And that’s what God does. He starts to work on a broken heart, a broken person, you can’t we got this facade up. You got that ego like I you know, you can’t God can’t go to work on you. But he will, he’ll get to you. And he’ll get to you through the crack in your armor. And we all got to crack an armor and heal us and Satan will get to you through the cracks in your armor to. And when Satan gets to you through pornography, through drugs through alcohol through money, he knows the crack in your armor, he will work that crap. God was looking for the light and he’s looking to work with you and work on your heart. Satan’s looking to do one thing that’s all he can do is why he’s got to lie. It’s all he does is lie. The one trick that’s the lie to you. So when I was saved, I accepted Christ. I said, Man, I can’t do this anymore. I don’t want the ego. I just don’t want any I just want a relationship with God. Now I know why I’m here. And that’s you know what happened?

Brandon Handley 23:34
as powerful I’d never heard that story from you before. So I appreciate you sharing that. When when you not now you’re not you’re full in right. Do you feel like your business is more fulfilling? Because you’ve got your spirituality? Lead on it?

Sam Crowley 23:50
I think so. Yeah. I mean, look, I don’t have it figured out. I feel like you know, I have I listen to great podcast elevation church, Steven furtick in North Carolina. I love my favorite podcast. I listened to a lot of spiritual things like that audio books to keep my mind where it needs to be. And here’s the thing I do have that I don’t think I used to have is when I feel myself straying off course. God brings me back and look keep the main thing the main thing remember your dad your husband? Yeah, you know, this business isn’t everything cuz? Look, I have ups and downs like everybody does in business and relationships and you know, finances all that stuff and health. But I feel like you know, now at least I’ve got kind of an internal GPS guiding me. I didn’t know that before.

Brandon Handley 24:39
You mentioned like the health part. I know. I remember. One of the big parts too. When we first connected you were doing 100 laps, I think through the pool. Right? And that’s, that’s actually what I mean. I ended up doing it too, which is really funny. I ended up you know, swimming and doing a triathlon and, and getting healthy. You know, how’s that tying into to kind of everything you’re Going to

Sam Crowley 25:00
Well, my wife and I joined this eight week fitness group six weeks ago and I weighed 210. But I’ve kind of purpose because I drove the car off the cliff with food night before I started going out to a big dinner and my wife and I weighed in at 210. down to 190. It’s only been five weeks. We’re on week six. Now, my wife and I’ve grown very close together through this because we’re doing it together. I did drag her kicking and screaming. My wife is not overweight. She’s like, I don’t want to do this belly. Come on, let’s do it. But she feels amazing. We feel amazing. We’ve gone closer we eat together now breakfast, lunch, dinner, because we got to eat the same types of foods and stuff. And I always think that, you know, health is so amazing. I’m 52 years old man. I feel like I’m 25 I’m not really I’m not just saying I really do I feel the aches and pains. And I get up a little bit in the morning that I didn’t when I was younger, but I mean, I’m running three, four times a week I’m lifting three times a week. I feel like I could you know, get in a ring with a gorilla and beat the crap out of them. And I feel like I can outrun Roger Bannister, man, you know all of this at the same time. And I say all that jokingly because I can’t do any of that. But health wise. Right now I feel I’m just getting healthier and stronger and my mind is sharper. And for example, I gave up cream. I never had sugar. I gave up sugar a long time I gave up sugar and pasta A long time ago still eat bread sometimes. Well, now I’m drinking black coffee. I’m not a black coffee guy at all like I can I wanted to vomit on the first day. I thought I’d have to have black coffee. Well not you get a little bit of you know, flavored coffee like cinnamon or snickerdoodle. Something like that. It doesn’t count against you. It’s all about that intermittent fasting. You know what I mean? Sure. So I’m a black coffee guy. Now I’ll never go back to cream. I haven’t had cream in six weeks. I haven’t had sugar in six weeks outside of fruit. You know, natural sugar.

Unknown Speaker 26:42
Feeling amazing.

Brandon Handley 26:44
Imagine imagine putting cream in your wine. That’s what you’d be doing now. Right? That’s what it’s like. I mean, cuz I’ve been a black coffee guy for years. And like, really? Oh, yeah. When I see put people put cream and sugar. I’m like, that’s a Why would you ruin a good coffee?

Sam Crowley 26:56
Dude, you should go to Dunkin because there are people who get 1213 sugars. Okay, I don’t know if you’ve seen it. But I was in line the other day at Dunkin getting a black coffee leaf. Yeah, five sugars and on a Carmel swirl coffee which is all sugar itself. She leaves I go Oh my gosh. I said to the girl with it. Five sugar. She was a guy before he had 13 I go 13.

Unknown Speaker 27:19
How to how do you even drink coffee with 13 sugars? stick with what we’re doing to our body? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 27:26
All that all that inclusive. All that included? So you mentioned you mentioned a couple of podcasts and what are some audibles? I guess that you like to keep your spirituality Mojo going,

Sam Crowley 27:40
like audio books or podcasts or

Brandon Handley 27:42
audio books, podcasts, resources that if you know the people looking for a spiritual bump, or as I like to call it spiritual dope, get their hit. Where would they go? Like what do you like?

Sam Crowley 27:54
Well, I think there’s a few Steven furtick. There’s my number one, like I said, elevation church. I love it. Chris vallotton has some great audio books. The one I listened to recently was called poverty, riches and wealth. It’s v as in Victor al L. Ott, O n Kris vallotton. Chris with a K. K ri s. And that’s a great audio book. It’s a biblically based book about poverty, riches and wealth. And it doesn’t make you feel ashamed for being a wealthy Christian. Alright? Because God, God, God wants us to be prosperous. He just doesn’t want us to idolize money. That’s all. And so look, if there weren’t any wealthy Christians, churches wouldn’t be built hospital England and get funded things like that, you know, we need very, very wealthy people who know how to use that money for God’s kingdom. So those are the types of audible audios that I search for our wealthy, both. I don’t mean wealthy, just money wise, I mean, wealthy, but I’m not going to listen to somebody who says give all your money away. God doesn’t want you to buy That’s crazy. You know, God, we can’t money is just a tool. It doesn’t like the old adage I don’t know who said it, but the government can sure knows how to ruin a good piece of paper, put an egg on it, you know, money.

But, you know,

it’s just I like wealthy Christians who do good things. I mean, Rick Warren wrote Purpose Driven Life, you know, and that guy, reverse tide is 90% of his money gives away lives on 10%. Now I understand 10% of 10 million or whatever, the guy has a lot of money, but still, he’s given away how many other people could make that much money and give away 90% you know, so those are the types of teachings I like to listen to.

Brandon Handley 29:29
And that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Reminds me of a good a Buddhist Reverend on I talked to him every once in a while. And he talks about being able to give with wisdom, right? Not just not just like, give it all away. But to be able to give and know that it’s going to a place that it’s going to have an impact. It’s like an investment in society. Right. where’s this going to best? best best? best play out? Is it brother I don’t have a whole lot for you today, man. It’s been a minute I wanted to go. Yeah, well wanted to get you on and just, you know, thank you again for being the inspiration that you were, and are, and you continue to be for others and what it looks like to, you know, be a shining light and have a flourishing business. And that’s something I think you’ve exemplified.

Sam Crowley 30:15
Thank you. And it’s great catching up with you, man. I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

Brandon Handley 30:18
Absolutely. Where do I send people to go find the SAM Crowley?

Sam Crowley 30:23
Dale, I’ve got a brand new video I put out at launch my movement.com and they could check out I will launch and your entire podcast for you.

Brandon Handley 30:32
Well, well, wait a second. What’s that look like?

Sam Crowley 30:36
What’s that look like? All you got to do is literally talk, I put everything together with a monetization plan to show you how to make six figures with your podcast. So all you got to do is literally just speak into the microphone that I tell you to buy. Even that

Unknown Speaker 30:48
part is done. Wow. Wow. Okay,

Sam Crowley 30:51
so it’s a done for you podcast is program if you go to launch my movement calm.

Brandon Handley 30:55
That’s awesome, man. No, that’s great. That’s great. And the guys guys and girls. You know, Sam has been doing it for a long time. He is a coach for Tony Robbins. Right. Can I say that? You know, they’re coaches on a podcast. Yeah. So I mean, you know, it’s not like he’s some dude, just like he may be doing I was basement and he is definitely like, is out there in a car in front of dunkin donuts. But uh, you know, you know, reach out to him because he’s legit. He’s been doing it for a long time. And if you’ve got a message that’s on your heart, he can help you get that out there. And the part about like, it had been handheld, like to get through it. And with that kind of plan. That’s awesome. Sam, thanks for putting that out there for people back. Being a good student. Dude. I remember when we I remember when we started working together three years ago. And I know that you were a bit apprehensive. I just know you were when we first started working together. Who’s this guy? What am I getting myself into and look where we are over three years still friends, you know,

Sam Crowley 31:54
talk, and we respect each other. And that’s what happens when you get into a concurrent relationship with people on the internet. You know, you can have these long lasting friendships, and somebody can still pay you money. And that doesn’t mean you look at them with $1 sign on their forehead, we you know, we’ll be talking for a long time to come. So don’t be afraid to put your message out there. you’ll attract individuals like I attracted Brandon. And here we are three and a half, almost four years later, still in touch with each other. That’s the power of building friendships out of client relationships.

Unknown Speaker 32:25
Agree? Yeah.

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Unknown Speaker 0:02
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guest from your essential nature’s podcast this spiritual worked out ready

Brandon Handley 0:20
hey there spiritual dope I am on today with Emma har and she’s coming to us here from your essential nature podcast. I met Emma through Dr. Ben chambers and the your essential nature podcast. And that podcast is based on the longer yearning that we all have to know ourselves at the deepest level. And in this podcast series, they explore the template to know yourself, experience peace, and grow in mindful awareness and bring more light into the world. Who wouldn’t want to be check in into that? Right. So thanks for joining today. You know, tell us a little bit about what brings you here today.

Emmy Harr 1:06
Oh, my goodness, yes. Well, um, this is a common mistake. So I’ll give you a little past card for this. But my name is actually me. So just like the Emmy Awards, short for Amber. So um, yeah, as far as bringing in, I think we’re just kind of in this expansion phase of getting connected with your right tribe. Okay. And with your essential nature, Ben did an amazing job kind of plucking the the the misfit toys and putting them together. And we just had an amazing chemistry as the the group of four of us. And with that, each person’s kind of doing their own thing, as far as building their spiritual practice and their spiritual businesses, and helping clients that way. And so, yeah, you and I got connected from mutual friends and mutual friends. And it’s just, now’s the time to say yes, and manifestation. So absolutely.

Brandon Handley 2:04
I love that. So I like to start these off with the idea that sources speaking through us, and that there’s somebody out there listening to this podcast today. And a message can only come through you to them through this podcast. What is that message?

Unknown Speaker 2:30
Patience.

Emmy Harr 2:34
Definitely patience, especially when it comes to the surrender process. As your life starts unfolding, it’s happening for you, not to you. And it takes a little bit of patience, probably more patience than anybody wants to admit that they are.

Brandon Handley 2:50
Sure, sure. We are not patient. People, especially, especially in Western society, right. How has that shown up in in your life?

Emmy Harr 3:05
page? Oh, gosh, yeah, definitely more of a recent thing. So I remember when I was little, I always felt like I was different, not like a weird, different, but a really good different. And not an arrogant sense of I’m better than everybody. But just like, I felt like I knew something more than the average person my age did. And lo and behold, that was basically just like utilizing light, right? Like That was my gift is being a beacon instead of darkness really. And so I remember just like going through middle school, especially a little bit of high school, college, even post college, just feeling like I was like, Am I just so abnormal, that I don’t have anybody, like, even my really good friends? That like truly gets me, you know, like, and I remember just like yearning for these deep relationships. And then, ironically, about five years ago, I moved from Wisconsin to Austin, Texas. And that was when my whole life was really just like, flipped upside down. like totally shaken. I remember. As soon as I stepped foot on Austin ground I remember looking straight up to the sky and asking what the hell am I doing here? Because I truly, I know I was guided down there and I knew it was gonna be like a powerful season in my life. But I mean, immediately like, I could just feel my whole aura just shaking, like could not get grounded for the first like year and a half No matter how much yoga, meditation, dance like none of that. And I remember just like crying, just begging for one person, one person that understood my heart and Yeah, then and of course, that can be friendships. I know for a lot of people, it’s romantic partners as well. And we’re always just craving that soul partnership. And yeah, I can tell you like, even with Austin I was that’s when I started basically commission only a business insurance and finances, and I had no concept of what business or sales meant, you know, I came from the infant room with 14 infants prior to. So I was really I was on my own I had one friend that was never there, he moved from Austin with me. And then I didn’t know anybody working 90 hours a week studying learning this whole new realm. You know, it was really a you eat what you kill type of environment, right survival mode on its on its best. And it just felt like I was always just like hacking away, right, like taking the ice pick to a sculpture. And yet the sculpture wasn’t forming. And I was just working so hard. And it nothing was flowing, like not even my energy was. And so fast forward three years, I moved to Kansas City, again, a divine, a divine way on how I knew it was Casey that I was supposed to go to. But it just felt like a huge way it was just like, lifted off my my chest, I could breathe, even though it was freezing. And it just felt like things were coming together. And now I have an amazing tribe of members who like to have depth, in depth conversations, they like to talk about God, we can have civilized conversations, on politics, spirituality, all of this. And within the last probably six to eight months, I’ve just really been at this surrender phase of like, okay, universe, you’re the one leading my life, I’m just swimming through it. I’m totally just at bay here. And I can say that, since that’s happened, it’s just been a lot more peaceful of a life. And I’m still being taken care of, you know, it’s more of a less survival more of an abundance mentality. And so, you know, it’s funny, I think about well, it only took me 28 years to get to that point. But I know people were in their 60s that aren’t even at that point. So when I talk about patience, I mean, patience.

Brandon Handley 7:30
For sure, for sure. Lots in there. Right. So thanks for sharing, kind of that, you know, backstory on I remember, I went to Texas, went to Dallas. And I think that I had a really similar experience where I got down there and I was what what am I doing here? Maybe it’s just Texas. They are, they are a different breed. And that’s okay. Right. And, and, you know, you mentioned, you know, you know, all the yoga all the meditation kind of makes me think of all the king’s men and all that, you know, you know, Humpty Dumpty couldn’t put it back together again. But, uh, you know, but that’s it, right? Like, everything you were doing you still you weren’t kind of coalescing and gathering shape, they’re right, or form the form at least that you were in search of, while you were in Texas, right. And you also talk about this being in survival mode. And, and, you know, kitten, you know, eating what you eat what you kill, right? survival mode aspect, and, you know, that’s, it’s, it’s kind of a, it’s a tough existence, right? There’s a, there’s a Francis ism involved with survival mode, right, there’s a, there’s a closed off sness of being in survival mode. Primarily, because you don’t know that there is another mode available. Right? Like, this is just kind of how you’re taught to, you know, go out there, it’s like, you’re literally being pushed out of the nest. Right? Yeah. Like, you know, you either fly, or you’re or you figure out some other way to make it about a little broken wing. So, you know, definitely, definitely interesting to kind of be going through all that and also looking for some type of connection. You know, when when you’re talking about, you know, killing you know, you know, eating what you kill in that moment. Even that phrase limits the potential of connection, right, if that’s your mentality, right? Um, you know, it’s kind of like, if we think of like law of attraction, like who’s drawn to that, right. And then of Iran because it you know that that also to me indicates like the Yeah, the certain strength of will and desire to live and be so doesn’t you know, there’s also that right. But you probably weren’t really thinking of it in those terms. I could be wrong, right? You may not have been thinking about it in those terms at that time, because it sounds like you’re like, I gotta get the hell out of here. And where is the next year? And the next year for you? Kansas City.

Unknown Speaker 10:26
I mean, you know who, you know who

Brandon Handley 10:29
am Right, right, you’re right. Like if I’ve got even even if I’ve got a map up on the wall and a Dart, the likelihood that is going to hit Kansas City, and that’s going to be, you know, my nama stay place. Right. Oh, God, why and how so? Tell us a little bit about how you ended up there. What was it that drew you to Kansas City? Yeah, that’s

Emmy Harr 10:51
so funny. Um, I had never even heard of Kansas City until a few years ago. And just real quick,

Brandon Handley 10:59
Kansas City’s in Missouri. Not Kansas. No, it’s

Emmy Harr 11:03
both split town. It’s so what the hell no.

Brandon Handley 11:08
This is a strong note to that. It’s like calling turkey burgers like hamburgers, right? Like that’s just to know that’s it. That’s a turkey Patty.

Emmy Harr 11:16
No, there’s Casey, Mo, and Casey. Okay. I learned that the hard way. So my, one of my dear friends from college moved here. I think four, four years ago or something. So I was still in Austin. She moved here. And I remember in Austin, when I was starting to make a little bit of money, I got the flow of business. You know, I was like, cool. The reason I’m making money and want to make money is so that I can go travel and experience the world, right? And so where do you go, you go to Kansas City to visit one of your best friends. So I remember I was I came here during summertime, in 2016, or 2017. And it was so much fun. It was great. And the irony is I remember she took me out for bagels. And we were sitting outside in the sunshine. And I remember being I was just starting to get into real estate investing at the time. And I was like, You know what, Brett? I’m, what if what if I bought a duplex and you live on one side, and I live on the other and we’ll just be best friends forever, right? So, but it was just kind of like just talk, I was like, I’m not moving here like I don’t know. So then fast forward a year, it was October of 2018. And end of September, I just nothing with my business with insurance was working. Everyone was canceling their appointments, I was getting chargebacks, which is where money gets taken out of my account because somebody cancelled their policy. I was nobody wanted to book an appointment. It was just like dead. And I was like, Okay, what is God trying to tell me here? Like, clearly this is a stop, right? And so, my business partner at the time, he was like, Okay, I just kind of throw it out to him. And I was like, You know what, I’m just going to stop until until October because that’s when Medicare starts. And that was like a lot of what I was doing. And he was like, Yeah, cool, but what are you going to do for your soul? And I was like, what, and he was like, I’m gonna, I’m gonna almost force you to go up to Wisconsin and go visit Brittany in Kansas City, whatever you want to do. And I was like, okay, so I flew up to Wisconsin to visit family was there for a few days road trip down to KC to visit Brittany who had just had surgery. And so I just remember arriving in Kansas City. And the first day that I, the first morning, I woke up, it was 40 degrees, which, by the way, I think I was actually born on the sun. So anything less than 80 degrees is freezing to me. So the fact that it was 40 degrees. And I was just like, yes, like seriously, just a weight lifted off. I felt just such immense peace. And to me that Spirit speaking to me, that’s God’s peace, his presence. And I was just like, Okay, and then all of a sudden, all of these business inspirations just kept firing. And I was like, just I felt like I was home. And then, so after this, this visit with Britt, then I went back to Austin. And I was literally depressed, couldn’t get off of the couch, my my friend’s couch at the time, by the way, because for three days straight, and I remember my business partner, he’d have to text me to be like, hey, go for a walk today. Like I was in mobile. It just didn’t feel right. And I was in between spaces because I had a duplex under contract that took five and a half months to close and it was just like, kind of a pain right? Then I don’t remember how but I think my partner and I, we we met up for lunch one day, and I just randomly blurted out, I’m moving to Kansas City. And there was a sturdiness and the tone and the frequency that we both knew. We We’re like, Oh, crap, it’s time. And so I got everything squared away, closed on the property found renters in Austin. I hosted my parents for Christmas. And then they actually helped me pack up, and then move to Kansas City on their way back to Wisconsin, which was so sweet. And yeah, so then the irony Now, remember that story of Brittany and I bagels and the irony is now I own a four Plex. She’s not one of my tenants yet, but one day, I’m sure she will be. No, but yeah, I ended up investing in real estate very quickly when I got down here and and that in and of itself was divine timing. And yeah, so it just I remember like walking in the rain and the snow that first that first season because I moved here December 2019. And I was like, yeah, this is great. Again, rain and snow, not my cup of tea. But it just felt like Oh, I’m so so happy. My heart was just Oh, singing in the rain.

Brandon Handley 15:54
I love it. I love it. It’s kind of like, you know, you get this divine inspiration. And it is imminent in some way, shape or form. You don’t know how it’s going to happen. But you just kind of you have that you have that peek into the future. All right. And you speak it into existence, right? You make a joke about it. Right? You speak existence, though, right? It’s real similar to kind of like how you’re in. Kind of like you’re like, I don’t see any clients. I don’t see any business. I don’t see any of this. And sure enough, that these are the things that you’re saying to yourself. And sure enough, you’re not seeing any of it right. It’s you’re speaking that into existence. And then, you know, you find yourself in a place of harmony. And you know, this kind of good resonance where you’re you’re sitting or Brittany, you’re hit by this sun. And things start opening up again for you because you’ve opened up right, because you’ve sent out like this sense of harmony in that space, where you were where you guys are kind of hanging out eating the bagels. And then when you go back and you’re just kind of morose, right, you’re like, Fuck, Texas. It’s just isn’t it? Right this this, isn’t it? This isn’t my space. This isn’t something is off key. Right. And and, you know, again, you felt like in your heart to like the end, you felt the things weren’t moving at your pace five and a half months to close on a place. I mean, come on. Right. So thanks,

Unknown Speaker 17:29
dad. Good. Can

Emmy Harr 17:30
I just add it took me 35 days to close on a four Plex here. Right? So wait, this is what it’s supposed to be.

Brandon Handley 17:37
Right? Right. So I mean, you know, when when you are in alignment with your sense of purpose and bliss and your own good feeling. This isn’t and you know, people always kind of, you know what I’m talking about following your bliss and just out there was a world we follow your bliss. Look, there’s a certain that you know, there’s a there’s a discernment between like following your bliss and imminent folly. Right. So you were though, you know, you’re following your bliss, your heart intuition. And when you’re doing that, just as you’re highlighting right now, your story indicates that the universe opens up and gets behind you with that right universes like Pikachu, this is this is happening, like you said, for you, not to you. Right. And so that to me, sounds like what your experience has been so far. Have I got that about? Right?

Emmy Harr 18:35
Yeah, absolutely. And I might even add, like for so I’ve always been deemed as sensitive, right? Like, I have an act and not only like not just really not emotionally sensitive but just like an awareness right. And one of my one of my spiritual comrades here in KC we were just talking a month ago, and she even said, because nobody can understand the why, you know, like, I came down to Texas and I again, I was guided down there, I knew it was Texas that I had to go, I could feel the energy of God saying Yes, go with that. And but I knew it was going to be like a learning curve. And so my, my spiritual comrade just made a comment, like, you know, there’s there’s different you know, how there’s like different war zones or different like boot camps or base camps throughout. And it has a different energy when you drive past them, right. And so she said, the same thing with the spirit realm is there’s these different Warzones these different base camps, and maybe just maybe Austin happens to be one of them. And I was connecting into that. And Casey like that we have a lot of like, there’s the International House of Prayer here. Like there’s a lot of a lot of that spiritual and spirituality. Even the religion here, you know, it’s just like more

Unknown Speaker 19:57
God Yeah, so

Emmy Harr 20:01
maybe I was even picking up on that. And that’s why like, which came first the chicken or the egg, you know?

Brandon Handley 20:08
Not for sure. I love that I love that idea to have you know, the the camps, right and different energies and, you know, I’m always reminded of the book the obstacles away. I’m not a big fan of the book, but that’s what it reminds me of right? Have you ever read it, but the idea is, and then and then you know, as you’re talking and you’re sharing that kind of reminded of like, I’m even just holding up a mirror when you’re trying to shine the light, right? Maybe your mirror was down in Austin, and the light was shining over into right like, Kansas City, right? You know, this is here’s, here’s where you catch your, your, your, your ray of sunshine is over there over here type of thing, you know, write a letter, but anyways, right? That’s just kind of the thought processes, as I’m listening to the story. So you’re kind of you’re following your bliss. You’re, you know, feeling your spiritual self, right? Where’s Where did you feel like you kind of connected with your spirituality and felt the strong pull for that. And I love the idea to have like, you know, what are you going to do for your soul? I love that. Right? And Was that something that helped spark that? Or was that already in existence? Because I know, you’d already talked about a lot of yoga and meditation as well, where where did you initially kind of connect with source and decide that that was going to be a part of your life?

Emmy Harr 21:38
Yeah, so I was born and raised Catholic. And so God has always been a part of my life now. I love the traditions and rituals of Catholicism. However, the strictness never really resonated with me, but Jesus guide disciples, saints, just having an army for us. That always resonated with me ever since I was little. So luckily, I had that foundation innately and also fostered. Now when it became more of a relationship with God, instead of just an abnormal what word Am I looking for? Like just an abstract thought, right? I was in college, one of my dear friends, she had actually tricked me. And I talked about this on your essential nature, but she had tricked me on what happened to be a student led, faith based retreat. I didn’t know is faith based. She was just like, yeah, it’s really fun. You get to throw like, pockets of glue at each other. And there’s like a mud fight and all of these things. I’m like, I’m super extroverted by nature. And I’m like, yeah, that’s amazing. And I just transferred colleges. So of course, I was like, wanting to look for, like, get to know people and meet people who like to do fun things. And so when I was there, I read it, like dawned on me, okay, this is, this is about God. And I remember looking at Ashley, and I was like, what she’s like, I’m sorry, I just didn’t think you would come. Like, you’re right. I probably wouldn’t not like out of anti God or anything like that. Just a matter of, okay, like, I already know, God, I don’t need to do anything, you know. But that’s what, that’s what opened my eyes to this concept of having a relationship. So that’s how I in my world, Faith is the relationship of religion is the structure or the dogma. And so I started learning and developing relationship. And then I just had great spiritual mentors. And then eventually, I think it was my, either senior super senior year, I met a mentor that kind of blended this whole new age energy realm, she was very intuitive. I would even call her a medium. But then she also had this Christianity foundation as well. And she did a beautiful job from marrying the two. And that to me felt right and so for her to be like, Oh, yeah, I can see this energy in the room. I’m like, wait, there’s a whole other round, like it was the next level of faith for me. I was like, Okay, so then, yeah, I just kind of started and just kept growing from there. And I just keep listening to what feels true for me, like what resonates it’s a different frequency.

Brandon Handley 24:32
Now for sure. I love that. You know, I love the idea to this army for us, right? So it sounds like even even before you know, even while in Catholicism, you had this army for us mentality, right? The University of benevolent universe, right? This this kind of digital energy source, acting on your behalf right? And that’s great. I love that. Yeah, I’ve never heard it said like that. And I think that that’s, that’s great, right? And I also like this little piece to where, you know, faith is. Faith is what again, I wrote down notes,

Unknown Speaker 25:13
but the relationship

Brandon Handley 25:13
faith is relationship and then your religions call it the framework right of everything else. No, I like that idea too. Because I look at I look at that, too. Without this kind of foundation of any type of religion, or spirituality background, right? It can be a challenge to lean into any type of spirituality, right? If you don’t have kind of the foundation for it, and you start to feel you, like you said, you’re kind of like, an peth, like high energy, connection to source, you can begin to wonder, what is this? What am I feeling? What am I going through, and if you don’t have a, at least a framework, you are, you’re kind of sLl, right? Like, you’re just kind of out there without any anything to bring you back or ground you, right? Or something to at least anchor yourself to

Emmy Harr 26:16
something and I would even, I would even take it one step further. I know from my like, my parents generation, and I might even say that the degeneration just underneath them. Like it’s not spoken about, even if you are extra feely, like I remember, in seventh grade, I actually became I think for at the time, one might have said I was depressed. But I was depressed because I was witnessing How rude. My classmates were being to this one, one particular classmate of mine, and I could almost feel her sadness. And I didn’t know what was going on. And my mom thought I was going crazy. She signed me up for a child psychologist wanting to help me, you know, she’s like, I don’t know if she’s suicidal. I was not. But I mean, that’s how that’s like, how I could process at the time. And so they shut off, you know, at no, at no criticism for themselves, but they were shut off because their parents were shut off, right? Like, that was the Great Depression era. So everyone was in survival mode. And then that’s just kind of what was taught, and then handed down. And so if you’re feeling me, or seeing or hearing these different things that you don’t know, or you don’t have the framework or foundation for, it can be really tricky when you’re not even in a a, like an area where it’s spoken about to normalize it.

Brandon Handley 27:45
Not 100 100%, right? And I love that too. You know, you’re looking, you’re looking back through history, and you know, what’s acceptable in this energetic realm, right? So what you’re kind of explaining is, you didn’t have the ability to protect your energy field, right? Or the, you know, how do you address that again, and your parents addressed it by being like, Oh, she’s okay. I don’t know what the fuck her but let’s go get her some help. Right? Because they did. And that’s awesome, right? Because they realized that they weren’t their limits, you know, as a parent myself, I’m like, Alright, we know if I’m out of all the other options, let’s, who can we reach out to? Right? And what what do we got there? So, um, I love it. And then so your, your your friend, the New Age, energy, you know, connecting the realms of, you know, Christianity into all that even a mediumship? What would you say? You know, she did all that, you know, what have you taken away? And how are you implementing what she taught you? Like, what were a couple of key pieces that you you feel like you pulled away from her that you’re replicating?

Emmy Harr 28:56
That’s a great question. That’s so interesting, because I feel like everything’s just been so fluid. Like, it’s just one extra layer kind of building, building bricks laying on top of each other. So to pinpoint it, I remember being in our office late on Tuesday nights where we were playing with the enneagram. Right? And she was teaching me intuition how to just pick what felt right. You don’t have to analyze but just pick what felt right. Or we would play with other personality. wheels are, I don’t know some more of the psychology side of, of intuition. Really, because psyche means intuition, I believe. And, but then just more I would say trusting a that you can see, like into another realm. I always thought that that was for somebody higher up right and I’m actually like in in development That that trait I didn’t even realize that I had. And then I can put two into get together like, Oh, I do see things without even realizing. So trusting the intuition and trusting what you’re seeing, right, because that’s another form of intuition, I would say is probably the biggest one. And then also healing. So energy healing, she introduced to me Reiki, and that was a whole other like, the healing aspect was massive for my growth.

Brandon Handley 30:31
And let’s talk about that for a second. So what I do want to talk about that but but before we do that, when you say intuition,

Unknown Speaker 30:41
what do you mean?

Emmy Harr 30:46
The internal knowingness

Brandon Handley 30:51
I like that. Yeah, that’s good. You know, listen, because I don’t know. You know, when when somebody says intuition exactly what you mean by that. So the internal knowingness i think that that, that that’s a great, that’s a great way to say it. succinct, even. So thank you. And then energy healing, reiki, right. I talked about that. Once I’ve never experienced it myself. I’ve had the offers right to for people to do it for me. But I’ve never had the experience. So talk to me kind of what that experience has been like for you. And you know, how you felt afterwards?

Emmy Harr 31:30
Yeah, so Reiki is really, it’s divine lead. You know, there’s a lot I’m learning that there’s a lot of misconception on this new age, energy. And the fact that it’s almost like black magic and know everything if it’s done correctly, it should be divine LED, so whether you call it source God, power universe, he she it, you know, it’s always with love and light intention. As always, if you’re going to a real, a real healer, it’s going to be with love and light as the intention anywho. So Reiki is basically just a cleansing of our energy centers, also known as chakras along the body. And we know that everything in life is energy, like even this hard table that I’m sitting at is made up of energy, it’s just matter. And so we have energy around us also known as the aura, and then we have energy zones within us the chakras. So Reiki is really just utilizing someone’s intuition because we are the vessels for God’s like love. And where where things feel out of alignment or imbalanced or whatever the the word you want to use. You just send love and light because really love heals all. And so she was she was showing me Reiki and she would do it on me and I always felt like a peacefulness, a calmness. I felt lighter. People in pictures during college, they were like, are you losing weight, you have a glow to you. I wasn’t losing weight. I was just reading my old baggage that I didn’t need to keep, right. Like, we’re emotional hoarders. I didn’t need to keep that on me anymore. I learned that lesson. And so yeah, it was just it was so inspiring that by the end of college, so my super senior, I did become level one certified and Reiki. So then that led to other realms of energy healing as well. But yeah, it’s it’s a powerful gift. I mean, really, we’re just giving each other

Brandon Handley 33:37
how, yeah, right. That’s great. I love the idea to write emotional hoarders. You really are. It’s like, I mean, and for no reason other than I don’t think that we know any better. Right? You can’t you know, what’s, what’s so what’s the line? I forget who it is do what you do until you know better? Right? You know? And you know, you just you do best until you know better and I think that we are emotional hoarders and I love that I was pissed just a minute ago and I want to share some more about that let’s we’re gonna last week I was saying you know, you just hold on to that forever right? instead just be like, just let that go That was a moment and and what’s next what’s behind that and what’s what are we going forward into? So you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? How like this is just like, that’s your hit every day like you can get like this you can get like this weird you know, full body super high vibration through spirituality, right? That’s the kind of the spiritual dope, right of spiritual dope. So what would you say like some of your spiritual dope is if you’re just getting ahead of it? What is that?

Emmy Harr 34:52
Gosh, even there’s a running joke with your essential nature because every we film every The other week, and every other week when we do meet up, it’s just like we’re hanging out. And like buds are just hanging out at the table. Just invigorating conversation. I can’t even explain it. So my spiritual dope my hit, is the conversation where we get to go in depth. Aside from that, I do get a spiritual dope when I either give and or receive energy healing. Love it.

Brandon Handley 35:29
Agreed, right? The this right here, right? This kind of conversation, we just get the opportunity to share your story. You can exchange, you know, the these high energy ways of being with somebody else. And they get it, right like to like, Oh, yeah, yeah. And not only that, but like, and there’s more. But wait, But wait, there’s more. Right. But wait, there’s more and like, Oh, wow. Or like, why did I didn’t think about it that way? And you know, helping somebody changed, change their paradigm. Right. And I think that that’s what you guys are able to do on your essential nature as well. Right. So how did you get looped into doing? That was a couple other gentlemen. Right, you know, doing the your essential nature podcast? How did you get involved with that?

Emmy Harr 36:19
Yeah, truly, it was kind of one of those surrender moments where I didn’t even ask for it. It just presented itself. And it felt right. So I followed it. So Ben, Dr. Benjamin chambers, he was really the the director, if you will. So he had, he had been getting a lot of these downloads, which for him is from spirit, right? downloads of some type of podcast talking about things that aren’t being talked about, or in a way that they’re not being talked about, or something like that. I see Benji chambers podcast on that. But he he and I always had like a sarcastic sense of humor with one another. So I got looped in with him originally, because he hosts guided meditations on Tuesdays. And so I’ve been going to those for maybe six months at the time. And we we have a great sense of humor. Like we just kind of shoot the shit like, give each other crap. And we just jive really well with humor, humor, humor, IQ, chemistry. Anyways, so he had brought this up, and he was like, well, I really want to get a group together. I’m going to ask these guys, but I really like I think you should be a part of it. And I’m like, okay, like, I never said no, in my brain. I was just like, yeah, it’s fun. I like hanging out with you. I like to get to know other people. And I’d like to take my hint of spirituality. So in my mind, I was like, already on board, but apparently wasn’t conveyed. Because he kept like, kind of pursuing or like, tickling. Like, he would keep bringing it up, like, Oh, you should do this. Like every other week, he would just make a comment as if I wasn’t fully convinced or something. So then finally, I was like, yeah, so when are we like, let’s not talk about it. Let’s be about it. When are we? When are we filming? He’s like, oh, you’re in? Like, yeah. So he kind of orchestrated it. He, he knew the mic. They had met a year ago, Dave they had met prior to and then he just kind of got this sense that it would be the four of us would have a really good chemistry.

Brandon Handley 38:25
And you guys do have you guys do have good chemistry. And that’s funny, too, right? The when we doing this, right? We’ve been talking about this, but like when it’s like just pull the pull the trigger. Right?

Emmy Harr 38:37
That’s kind of our mo like, I’m very much the the Dewar and he’s very much the seer, I guess. I don’t know, see the visitor? I think we’re both visionaries. But yeah, I just I’ve got more of an action base to me, if

Brandon Handley 38:57
you will. Sure. Sure. I mean, look, you just you you uproot yourself ran down to taxation, then like, you’re like, Hey, I’m gonna make this decision. And I think that that’s a big part of it, too. Once you kind of make the decision that sounds like you just move ahead with it. Right. And I look, I made the decision, but let’s, I mean, what’s next, right? Like, I mean, what else we need to talk about? Then let’s just go do it. Right.

Emmy Harr 39:20
That’s so important to me. And that’s kind of where, you know, I do feel like my, sometimes I’ve, okay, oftentimes, I’ve felt like I have to in our worlds kind of always at war in a way I know all this language. It sounds like I’m so intense. I’m really anyways, but um, so I have this like really bold entrepreneur movement maker, right? I was 100% Commission. No, of course I have that fight of me. You know, this is like I can thrive anywhere. But then I also do have this this soft, emotional conversation. Let’s not do timeframe. So that’s more of like the spiritual realm, right? So I consider it the entrepreneur realm, which is more masculine. And then my spiritual side, my spiritual realm, which is typically more and more feminine. And one thing that I’ve noticed as I’m moving it, like stepping out of the entrepreneurial realm, to the, in the traditional sense, and stepping more towards the spiritual realm, is that for some reason, in the spiritual realm, decisions are scary. And for me, I’ve always really been a big proponent of make a decision and commit, figure out the details later. That’s how Apple moves. That’s how Amazon moves, like, just figure it out. But you have to commit.

Brandon Handley 40:42
Sure, sure. So, you know, that’s another part about I love that you brought that up. That’s another big part about spiritual dope, is this idea? Yeah, there’s of the softness, there’s no timeframe, the surrender, you know, side of spirituality, there. You know, if we look into nature, right? We still have rainstorms. We still have, you know, raging rivers, we still have things that are forceful, right? And dynamically, so and it’s okay to take action and be the one to initiate it to be a part of it. Right. And to go with what you feel and say, I’ve gone Austin, I’ve gone to Kansas City, you know, I’m doing these things and, and like you said, I’m committing to this, and I’m just gonna do it. I don’t know how I just know that I am. Right. And that is like, like your like your Shawn attention to it’s it’s something that there’s a fear and trepidation, I think, in making a decision with many people in the spiritual realm. And I think that mainly because if they, and this is my self speaking, right, coming into this space, if you don’t have like, this kind of this hunter mentality, if you don’t have like this business mindset, right? You feel almost like, it’s against your nature in order to say you’re committed to it, right? almost like you’re afraid that if somebody finds out about, you said, you were gonna do this, and it didn’t happen, and how can you believe in you know, all the spirituality then? Right? Because it’s like, they don’t want to be found that well, that’s okay. Right? to like, not have that thing happen. Right? I love the one. There’s plenty of them out, though. And the exact lines but like, you know, I always say, if I gotten exactly what I wanted, like when I wanted it, when I was younger, or any that like I’d probably be dead. Right? So it was probably spirit looking out for me for not getting what I wanted in those situations, right? Like, well, you know, so there’s that, but the idea of drawing a line in the sand, or even a target and a destination for a lot of these people spirituality, it’s like, they feel like it’s too connected to materialism. Right? Where in actuality, a vision is not too far off from having a goal, right? Plenty people can have a vision, My vision is my goal, right? Or all these other things where ambition is more tied, you know, for me, growing up, like ambition was always tied to, you know, material success, whereas ambition can also be tied to this great spiritual vision. Right? So connecting, you know, those two streams of thought has been a big part of spiritual dopler again, connecting with somebody like yourself who’s leading with spirituality, ambition and and this commitment and decision making capability that you’ve got is still being spiritually LED and is blowing the doors and you know, everything like I said in the beginning here is opening up for you because you’re doing it that way and you’re connected with your spirituality.

Emmy Harr 44:02
Yeah, and I might even say two things about that to help kind of bridge that that gap that some people in the spiritual realm like fear is a I always figured you know, God, God can see the entire forest I can maybe see a tree. So like, if he is the one telling me and directing me Hey, you need to go to Austin or Hey, you need to do go to Casey or you need to do this podcast. Why wouldn’t I want to trust that like, he’s got this vantage point he’s an eagle and I’m just a squirrel. You know what I mean? Like hell yeah, I’d rather trust somebody else than myself. And not not to separate the two right like cuz we are all God, we’re all spirit but then also it comes into the fact of manifestation, meaning, well, and this is something that I learned with my spirituality is once my intuition or my inner child or My angels would tell me something, or show me something and I would act on them out of trust. And then they’re more likely because then it’s building their trust. You know what I mean? Like, it just feels like a mutual pendulum, if you will. Okay, so we know that she’s hearing us, she’s receiving the messages, and she makes this she makes option or takes action on them. So yeah, we’re gonna keep feeding her. You know what I mean? says this, this manifestation of when, when you say you’re going to do something and do it, then it’s, it’s convincing your brain or your spiritual army that yes, she deserves more, she gets more, you know. So that’s helped me.

Brandon Handley 45:41
Now, I love that, thanks for sharing that. It’s really funny. There was um, you had another guest on who who really said it really similar, different different storyline, the similar outcome, right? You say you’re going to do it, and you do it. And the universe becomes kind of like this. You know? Emma says that she’s going to do it, right. Emma says that she’s going to emphasize it’s just going to keep keep opening. All right, Yep. Yep, go ahead, open up the path open up the path just because otherwise, like, right, it’s like, you know, why would I open up the door? If you say you’re not gonna do it? Right? Why would I? Why would I clear the path if, hey, I’m gonna be there at five and you show you don’t show up? Right? Well, I’m not gonna keep open up the path for you. Right? So. So real, real similar stuff there. Um, favorite like is did you have any outside of like, of course, I Bible on scripture, any books, movies, anything that just kind of blew your mind on spirituality?

Emmy Harr 46:44
Gosh, so many. I remember there’s this one movie called Joshua, when I was little. It’s an older movie, I think it was probably in the 90s. But that was just like, again, learning to trust in something bigger than ourselves. And then as far as spirituality, there’s like books on chakras, like aura cleansing. So that really helped me. And then I would say, probably my most recent, which was just very profound. Because of timing in my life, I just finished reading the surrender experiment by Michael singer. And not so that that was just so crazy, because I was actually part of a virtual book club club, who with a corporate couple of older women who wanted to read that book, months ago. And I was like, Hey, I’m not in like, I’m already reading free books. Right now. I’m not in the capacity to read it. But can I at least still join for the conversations, right? So don’t we’ve talked maybe once or twice about the book, because it was such a quick read for them. And it was just fun. It was like a spiritual dope, it was a hit. But we never really registered what what they were reading, like what the content of the book was, because it just didn’t feel like the right timing for me. then fast forward about a month and a half or two, I think about two months. And I just got this inkling you need the surrender experiment. And fourth of July, I was with my buddy, Jeremy Snowden. And we were just doing some inner work spiritually. And I had the revelation of a retreat center, a vision of a retreat center. And I was like, no way. Like, that’s, it was so not me that I was like, This is divine. And so that it was for. So it’s just after that vision that I got this inkling that I need to read the surrender experiment. So Ben actually bought us a couple copies. And we started reading it and or just before the day before I started reading it, I mentioned to one of my co workers. And he was like, oh, that’ll be great. It talks about him in building a retreat center from scratch. And I was like, You’re lying. I was like, No, this is super big. And man, I could not put that book down. I’m a slow reader, especially when it comes to work, like this type of inner work. Sure. But I finished that book in like two or three days, and I just I could not put it down. I was like, as is so crazy.

Brandon Handley 49:19
Yeah, that’s it’s a great one too. I definitely enjoy it. You know, it just begins in that, you know, with the, you know, the whole idea of how limited are you and I write with with what we think we what we think we know with our limited, whatever experiences versus what the universe what Source Energy knows is capable of. And if we go with the idea of having a benevolent universe, if we go with the idea of having an army that’s helping to make things happen for us, what happens if we let go the reins a little Bit what happens if we just say, you know, show me what you got? Right? And just kind of take it? And that’s the Oh, yeah, agreed. I mean that that blew my mind when he kind of described that to me in that book, right. Trying to experiment. The chakras and or, or cleansing books. Would you have like one or two that are top of mind that you share out with others?

Emmy Harr 50:24
Yeah. Do you mind if I go grab it? Because the author here? Okay.

Unknown Speaker 50:30
The more

Emmy Harr 50:32
like, it’s actually an inner like, almost might I say self Reiki in a way, but it’s, it’s called your aura. And your chakra is the owner manual by Carla McLaren. Okay, and so it should it. It kind of goes through or walks through the process of what each aura represents how to what do you want to visualize how to clean it, how to cleanse your aura, your chakras, and then grounding yourself. It kind of goes through techniques with that. So I love that as I was getting started. Nice,

Brandon Handley 51:03
nice. Perfect. Very cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on today. Where should Where should I send people to kind of come check out what you’re up to?

Emmy Harr 51:14
Yeah, definitely. So your essential nature is on both Facebook and YouTube for platforms. It’s probably going to expand but for right now we’ll just stick with Facebook and YouTube.

Brandon Handley 51:26
Fantastic. And before you hop off, is there anything else that you feel like you should share today with with spiritual Oh

Unknown Speaker 51:34
gosh, do

Emmy Harr 51:35
we have an extra three hours?

Brandon Handley 51:38
Sure podcast for

Unknown Speaker 51:40
surely. Surely.

Brandon Handley 51:42
Yeah. So guys, if you want to check out more Have a look. So your says me up here and Emma in the emails? Which is it again?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
know, what emails are you looking at?

Brandon Handley 51:55
I don’t know. I saw Ms. I saw ms somewhere. So I just want to make sure it’s me. Right. I was like, Listen, so it’s me. Me. Yeah, you guys want to go find so this is probably the third time it’s happened to me on spiritual dope. It’s like cuz, you know, and, and I was gonna ask this one. Anyways, so if you guys want to go find out more, what he’s up to the podcast that she’s talking about is so much fun, your essential nature. You know, the three, four of you guys all get on there, you have a good time you talk about some really cool topics you have what’s cool is it’s not, you know, just diverse in you know, racial or, you know, male and female dynamics, but also the age dynamic too. So, you know, there’s just a lot I think that has gone on really great with what you guys have created. So thank you for what you have created, and what you’re sharing out there with your group. appreciate what you’re doing.

Emmy Harr 52:56
And likewise, thank you for having me.

Unknown Speaker 52:58
Thanks for listening to the spiritual in Thank you, me for being on the show. Does spiritual dough Be sure to follow us on Facebook and on our website does spiritual joe.com

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Longtime listener first time caller… that was me reaching out to Shelley… after years of running with some of the same crews, we finally connected on a podcast!

Shelley is full of great energy and wisdom… listen in you will not be disappointed!

With 27 years’ experience in the accounting industry from bookkeeping through purchasing to software integration and setup, Shelley’s Genesys Financial clients have included those of Graphic Arts, Manufacturing, IT, Automotive and the garment industries. 

Her focus later went to implementing and managing larger scale billing platforms and Project Management.  Her focus was on helping Entrepreneurs setup their Financial platforms and Business processes.  A financial professional with a marketing background Shelley is uniquely qualified and can see all sides of business from sales and marketing to purchasing to invoicing, always allowing her to think outside the box.   

In line with her varied interests her latest business, Living Well, has taken a passion for health and wellness to business by facilitating lifestyle changes for busy executives. As the health supplement portion of her business has gone International her love of traveling was often met through her business.    

https://livingwellwithshell.com/

Audio production done by Zane Niezgodzki

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Shelley talks about how she woke up with negative thoughts whirling thoughts “swirling the drain.” She knew this was not how she wanted to start the day, so Shelley says she went into her mind and “quieted my head and started going through what I wanted to see my day look like, how I wanted to give gratitude.” Shortly thereafter the whole feeling of hopelessness and negativity was gone.
  • 4:40 Brandon mentions “manifestation just means that it showed up because they put their thoughts, intention and will behind it in some way, shape or manner.”
  • 5:53 Shelley states “We’re just energetic beings having a physical experience, and power goes where we focus our energy. So, focus it somewhere positive that benefits you. Create some more high functioning you.”
  • 12:08 Shelley states emphatically “… recognize that we have emotional responses to those thought processes, and to the trauma that occurred to us or whatever as children… As adults, I truly believe and I’ve walked this journey for 20 years, we are responsible for healing it.”  {TK: WOW!!!}
  • Prayer can be meditation, meditation can just be going over what you’re grateful for (Gratitude Practice). Make this a habit. 

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 8:15 “So what I found in my early adulthood was I was always breaking out, but not in a positive way. Because I kept myself so contained all the time, that when I burst out, I usually got myself into trouble. And I needed to learn for myself how to live a more genuine, and aligned life…” [TK: YES! This is so relatable!]
  • 10:38 (This hit REALLY close to home.) Shelley talks about realizing as a parent, reflecting on her own parents’ parenting, that they “did the best with what they were given… and came with all their own baggage and all their own hurts and things.” [TK: Indeed. It took me until my mid-forties to stop judging my own upbringing by the light of perfection. My parents did the best with what they had. They weren’t intentionally “bad” or hurtful, they were doing what they felt was right. Different generations, different traumas and lifetimes, etc.]
  •  20:30 Shelley mentions Dr. Joe Dispenza’s teachings where he says the best way to create your future is to imagine it. But you have to live and imagine it already happening. [TK: This brings me back to Brandon’s coaching work with me, and the exercises where I would envision with all senses being in the ideal future!]
  • It’s all in your mind! (TK: IT IS!)
  • Quit apologizing to the world around you
  • https://livingwellwithshell.com/

Transcription by otter.ai

Unknown Speaker 0:02
You’re listening to the spiritual dope podcast with your host, Brandon Handley. The spiritual dope with today’s guest from living well with Shell Shelly shear, the spiritual worked out. Ready, set,

Brandon Handley 0:19
go. Hey there spiritual dope. Today I am on with Shelly shear she is a Vancouver based speaker, emerging author and coach. She spent 28 years as an accounting professional helping small to medium businesses navigate entrepreneurship while having a second side hustle. Her experience has crossed many industries from graphic design, manufacturing, automotive, spa, digital marketing, to hot dog vendors, it is give her a unique perspective into people and how they handle their businesses and themselves. She has a gift for finding logic, cool, logical, common sense solutions. She has a successful podcast that focuses on not living in regret and creating high functioning habits because she truly believes everyone is enough and should have an easier, more vibrant life. Thank you so much for joining today. How are you?

Shelley R Shearer 1:10
I am great. Thanks for having me. On if our listeners don’t know, we’ve known each other for a couple of years very casually because we took our podcasting course together four and a half years ago. Yeah. And it’s wonderful to see us both still here doing what we love to do.

Brandon Handley 1:22
Absolutely. I think that is really what I think is really funny was um, when you must have connected with me on instagram when I might, you know still under like Brandon Handley and I just switched that to spiritual dope. And then it like at some point like there was an aha moment where you realize that that that had happened like I was just praying in

Unknown Speaker 1:43
a second here.

Brandon Handley 1:46
So listen, how I like to start these off with his, you know, we were talking before this everybody’s connected to source source. You know, divinity, whatever speaks through us. We’re basically you know, vessels for the divine. And this podcast today, you are here to connect with somebody who’s listening. What is that message for that person coming through divine through you for that person?

Shelley R Shearer 2:12
My message today would definitely be emotions follow thoughts.

Brandon Handley 2:17
What do you mean by that?

Shelley R Shearer 2:19
Most people I find found in my own life as well that we are taught that we think and emotions are separate or that because of the way we feel we think a certain way and actually, that is improving quite an accurate the last 20 years during research and such that that’s not the case at all. In fact, we think a thought, then we have an emotion. And the reason that’s really important, in fact, I was literally brand brand new puppy in the house. It was sitting it was uptime is like Oh, I got to exercise her before I get on this podcast. I was going to do my own podcast today. And I’ll do it after. And that’s what actually was in my head because this morning I woke up myself personally, just rabbiting just swirling the drain. Just my thoughts were whirling in my mind. They were negative, there was nothing positive going on. It’s like I can’t get up and do this day like this. And that thought came to me it actually was something that I learned was kind of vocalize it’s something I’ve understood sort of in an innate level, but it was vocalized to me by someone Jan Jansen, I think mentioned it and of course, I was in a couple months back. And she said, emotions follow thoughts. And that’s what most people don’t accept, and also don’t consciously train themselves to change how they think. And it’s probably very much how I don’t know how you pronounce his last name, Tom, Bill,

Unknown Speaker 3:34
you know, the name

Shelley R Shearer 3:35
all over his all over Instagram, he’s got the thought Institute of some sort. And he very much hammers this home that you know, we need to control how we think. Yeah, so with that being said, You know, I was texting with the puppy for a quick little nap this morning. And I thought, This is not how I want to start my day. And so I immediately went into my mind quieted my head and started going through what I wanted to see my day look like, how I wanted to give gratitude. And my goodness, it took like a minute and then the rest was just bonus. It was like the whole feeling of hopelessness and negativity just left because where you focus is

Brandon Handley 4:16
in your life, right? Right. Right. And you know that you’re directing your energy into that space right and you’re literally that energy is what it takes for something to manifest whatever that means to people out there right because my wife and I always like I’ll say something about manifesting something’s like shit manifested this idea i think i don’t think you know what I mean. Totally. Yeah. manifestation just means that it showed up because they put their thoughts intention and well behind it in some way shape or madly, right? So no, I love I love that right emotions follow thought we’re gonna have to dig into that as we kind of see

Shelley R Shearer 4:52
if you can control things you’re thinking of and Jim quick that does the, the book on the learning the one that had the brain injury, he talks about this as well, because he’s trying to improve your memory. And there’s just so much now neuroscience behind it in the fact of gene expression and how we function, how we feel how we think. Now it’s the time in this day and age, especially with what’s going on in the world around us to really open up and say, let’s go research that a little bit. As you and I were chatting, just before we got on the on the actual podcast was, I grew up in a very, very religious home, very, very strict religious upbringing. believed and loved the certainty of the black and white of the knowledge at the time, especially as a teenager, and then you know, walked away later. And now I’ve come back to it because I believe in the law of attraction. So whether someone uses God or universe or Supreme, I don’t care. Right, right. Right. Energy interchangeable. Totally. Because we’re just energetic beings having a physical experience. Yeah. And power goes where we focus our energy. So focus it somewhere positive that benefits you create some more high functioning you Yeah, your

Brandon Handley 6:03
choice is a choice. There’s a couple pieces in that. I mean, even today, I picked up some random article that scientists are saying, there’s a 5050 shot that, um, we are in a construct, we are in, you know, a program, the matrix, like a lizard is a 5050 shot. So, you know, the same way there’s a 5050 shot as to whether or not there’s an afterlife, right, right. So why not kind of like, make those choices consciously on what you believe? Because you have a 5050 shot? Mm hmm. Right. So um, so let’s talk a little bit about like, I love, I love your podcast, I think it’s really well done. You handle the guests very well, you’re so well spoken, and you bring this energy that you’re bringing, you know, today, to your podcast, what you know, let’s talk about kind of how you found yourself in the space that you’re at now. And let’s give it like the leading with spirituality that you do now, like I’ve heard you, like, kind of referenced the woowoo. But like, or intuition, you know, how have you integrated that into your life and found more or less fulfillment from it? Like, how’s that? How’s that showing up in your life?

Shelley R Shearer 7:16
Well, it’s funny, cuz it’s something you said earlier about how you’ve manifested it, No, honey, honestly, doesn’t matter that you’re finding all the coincidences I still manifested. Because those are the those are the tracks that lead you to where you’re going. And you can call it coincidence, or you can own it, and I prefer to own it. And like I said, four and a half years ago, you and I took a podcasting course. Now, just just a little quick on that one. That was a very funny thing, how that happened. I went to a Make Your Mark event here in Canada, and signed up for speaking from stage because I wanted to find my voice. I’ve always just felt a little bit like I you know, grew up with the, you know, be seen and not heard one of female coming out of the 60s and 70s very autocratic father very religious upbringing. So lots of rules, lots of rigidity. And I’m clearly not that. So what I found in my early adulthood was I was always breaking out, but not in a positive way. Because I kept myself so contained all the time, that when I burst out, I usually got myself into trouble. And I needed to learn for myself how to live a more genuine and, and aligned life, and got very lucky in my 20s to attend a course called the pursuit of excellence, which talks about the filters to which we see the world and also talks about personality traits. So really, right from my 20s, very young, the universe kept putting the stuff in my path, awakening me awareness, opening my scope of reference, because really, like I say, I was raised in the box. Also, though, my dad was what was so funny is my dad’s an entrepreneur. So there was reason a box and I was a female.

Brandon Handley 8:55
Um, you know, what I love about your story that too, is that your dad became a successful entrepreneur after the age of 40, right?

Unknown Speaker 9:02
Yes. Oh, you do listen to my podcast.

Shelley R Shearer 9:06
Clearly, oh, you’re such a sweetheart. Yes, he did. And yet, when he looked at my life, he wanted it all to be planned out, you know,

Brandon Handley 9:15
as a parent, though, right? As a parent, and and him maybe not having found his stride, and this is me talking to right as a

Unknown Speaker 9:22
parent, and you, you are the parent,

Brandon Handley 9:24
right? It’s like, it’s like, you know, I did it in a very uncontrolled manner, how I got to where I am today is a miracle. But, um, knowing kind of what I know, it’s like, you know, here’s how you can truly succeed with ease. And that’s what you try to impart to your children. And we know that children are like, that’s not gonna work for me. I’m not to figure out my own way. You’re like, fine. I know. And

Shelley R Shearer 9:46
that I think, as a parent, that has got to be the hardest thing. The absolute hardest thing. I know, I did, you know, I only have the one son, and he has been through some very serious challenges in his life. In fact, we’ve just kind of recently he doesn’t want to Talking about this i’m not saying anything he’s not okay with. We thought he had bipolar for a number of years and have been battling that only to find out he’s on the spectrum actually. And it made so much more sense. It’s just he was so high functioning as a child, they never caught it. Yeah. And it wasn’t till I was, you know, he was going into kindergarten grade one and I was in an abusive relationship, and psychiatrists got brought in to assess the situation, and they will deal with ADD, and we carried on and then later in life when things were imploding, it’s like something else is going on here.

Brandon Handley 10:27
So it’s right there, the tools right there, right, the tools weren’t there. The tools, you know, didn’t really exist. Exactly then but but I’d love to hear that, you know, you’re fine. You’re catching it now. Right.

Shelley R Shearer 10:38
And I felt I did the best I could with what I had that something I think people need to give himself grace for more, I really had to learn to do that with my own parents and forgiveness. They did the best with the not with what they were given. Yeah, it came with all their own baggage and all their own hurts and, and things. Sure, um, then I became an adult and the parents I look back and going, I didn’t do that perfectly. But perfection is a lie. It’s not real. If this is just a journey, we’ve got to keep going on. So I handled it you know, in a manner as education again, so then we come back to the kind of again the with the high functioning, right, even when he was diagnosed, my attitude was you’re not going on Ritalin, and we’re not living on drugs. It was learn about what ad D or ADHD was at the time. And I behaved it with behavior modification was lis one thing at a time. Like he was the kid that melted at the front door. If you gave him three things to do. He’d be sitting there with the backpack, unpacked one shoe in his hand, and crying. It’s like I asked you to put your shoes on grab your knapsack can walk out the door, like it

Unknown Speaker 11:35
wasn’t that difficult. But this

Shelley R Shearer 11:37
is me being a very high functioning a tech personality seeing that child? No, it simply wasn’t connecting. Yeah, all those things. Yeah. Yeah. So we got you know, we like you say the tools weren’t there. But I was lucky enough again, to me kind of a few people got on to those you say the woowoo side of things. Yeah. To me. It’s just the holistic, natural side of things. Anti drug? As much as possible. I have nothing against medical Oh my gosh. Yes, that dental surgery. Thank you God for painkillers and antibiotics,

Unknown Speaker 12:06
right, yeah.

Shelley R Shearer 12:08
But I don’t want those corrections being part of everyone’s everyday life now, simply because they don’t understand how to control their thought process. And then recognize that we have emotional responses to those thought processes, and to the trauma that occurred to us, you know, we’re not to blame for the trauma that was given done to us or whatever is children. But as adults, I truly believe and I’ve walked this journey for 20 years, we are responsible for healing it, address it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 12:34
address it just for having children. I mean, look, just it’s not. I don’t know, I, it’s hard to say like, it’s, you know, you can never say like, I know, that I always refer to kind of grown up, it was pretty easy, right? There’s some shit that happen. And but like, you just kind of look at it and be like, well, that’s just really gave me the ability to withstand X, Y, or Z or gave me strength or, you know, that’s, you know, or, or like, he’ll it right, but like, let’s just feel that address it wholly absorbed that that happened. and move on. Right. Like, let that be. The dragon the wind or whatever, right? Don’t

Shelley R Shearer 13:13
let it define you. Right. Yeah, that makes me sad when I let people see such negativity or illness in their life. define them as a person. Right,

Brandon Handley 13:21
right. Well, I mean, you know, so talk about that for yourself. You’re doing the fibromyalgia. Right, isn’t that? Yes. I mean, you know, I and I, I imagined that initially, you did kind of let it define you and kind of slow you down.

Unknown Speaker 13:38
Ooh, solid years. Yeah. Talk

Brandon Handley 13:41
about that. That because that can’t be easy.

Shelley R Shearer 13:44
I’m sure the property and one of the hardest things probably about things like fibro and mental illness are they are silent. Hmm. I’m like my puppy right now. Um, if this gets if she gets a little whiny, we can just stop and you can edit for me and I’ll do something with her. But that happens people people get very caught up in it. And I did. I was like, how this can be happening to me. I was functioning as a personality. I was working it was built a new house. It’s like, Are you kidding me? And leave me flat for two years until I learned to adjust, get my pain under control even tried to drug route for a little bit. And then the side effects were brutal. You know, there’s just a lot of suicidal thoughts and things and my husband, I were like, We can’t live this way. Alright, so it was a long journey. And I went again, right back into the holistic world of how do I support my body? How do I give myself and sometimes that just want to sit on the same silly napping. napping was a huge thing. I follow naps. But that ego of mine, yes. fought me tooth and nail and we’re stronger than this. We’re better than this. We don’t need this. Yes, we do. That’s the West.

Brandon Handley 14:52
That’s the western day. That’s the western mentality.

Shelley R Shearer 14:57
Absolutely. Yeah. So um, so a child of the 80s I was raised in that women can have it all nonsense have we have full time careers husbands that we wait still do the 1960s housewife thing through, and three children and don’t have House Cleaners?

Brandon Handley 15:11
You guys got back, man. I mean, even kidding me, I still I still I’m still very frustrated. Like, and like, you know, I believe women can do whatever they want be wherever they want, but to make a society where like, you know, you can’t have at least one parent at home, to be with the family or something to make to make that success in the material realm. You know, based on sex, right, be like, Oh, you can do it, I can do it. And we’re all gonna go do it like, Well, you know, who’s, where’s this other human aspect where, like, you know, that’s cool. You go ahead, I don’t even like going to work. So you know, somebody wants to show up and be like, you know what, I got this, you just stay home take care of children, um, like I’m in. Right. So I get frustrated from time to time just because that’s, you know, we’re, I feel like it was, you know, I’m not a I’m not a you know, conspiracy guy or anything like that. Like, I do feel like, you know, that was that was forced on forced on us.

Shelley R Shearer 16:12
Okay, you’re talking to Adam, because you know, he doesn’t he have a brilliant way of describing. So let me explain to me how explain surely how women completely got. How did you subserve his word for it? Where Yes, you had this great life where you were looking after the next generation, creating human beings being there having this whole emotional support for your family. And society walked in and said, Oh, but you don’t really want that, right? You want to go to work for 10 hours, like your husband does, and then still come home and do that all in two hours a night? Are you kidding me? And now requires two incomes to have a home,

Brandon Handley 16:45
but it wasn’t and it wasn’t there. That was your idea you want you forced it? Right. Like I mean, you know, so. So really interesting. Sorry to get off topic.

Shelley R Shearer 16:53
No, that’s okay. I want to vote not to like be a slave.

Brandon Handley 16:56
Right, right. Right. Right. Right. just crazy stuff. Crazy stuff. It is.

Shelley R Shearer 17:02
So you, you’d asked me about my fibro. So yeah, it was a long journey for a couple of years ago when we changed houses. And it gave us options because my income was right out the door. And I had an accounting professional income. So needless to say, that was missed. And there was nothing in the Canadian system, even what we call CPP up here, for this particular disease, there was no sort of long term disability or anything. And I was funny, you know what, as a single Mum, I carried all those extras, insurances for years. But when I got married, after a couple years, I let them go is like in our truck. Ryan was raised, we can both afford to pay the mortgage, we had life insurance in case something happened to either one of us, and I let all that extra stuff going. Hmm, not sure what it helped. But you kind of look back in hindsight, in really so that’s actually was one of the things that started me finding my voice was when I started moving myself forward, it immediately was how do I help other people do the same thing? Right? How do I encourage them to not be defined by a disease, and for me a big part of it, it was on another friend’s podcast a couple months back. And we talked very in depth in this because she deals with women or audiences, middle aged women. And she’d asked, you know, as a silent disease, no one can see it, what do you do you find support. And I believe that in any area of your life, though, find the support around you. And the sad part is, I hate to say it, it’s not always family. It wasn’t for me, and people really just always want it to be, they decide, I might need this, or I want this, but it has to be this person. And that is a tough limiting belief to let go for a lot of people because often that isn’t who’s going to be your biggest support.

Brandon Handley 18:37
I think that families too close, right to too close to the situation. And, you know, they know you from you know, they they know too much about you. Mistake you’ve ever made. Right. Right. And so they play out like the the history of you. Right versus

Shelley R Shearer 18:53
well, sad.

Brandon Handley 18:54
Right? So and that and that’s it. That’s not an easy transition mental model to shift. Right? So, you know, when you go to Thanksgiving dinner or whatever, you guys just happy Thanksgiving on Monday, right? You know, when you go to that dinner, you’re surrounded by family and they talk about all the old you and all the old stories and and all this other stuff. Whereas like your focus is, the future is so amazing. And I’m so excited. Let’s talk about what’s the calm? Yes. Like I’m giving you we talked about, you know, law of attraction with a lot of people. You know, I don’t know that many people actually in the space but giving thanks for you know, everything has already been done. Everything’s already been created. It’s just simply our awareness of that creation. So giving thanks for everything that’s already been done. includes the future. Yes, it does.

Shelley R Shearer 19:49
Right. Because that is something that Joe dispenza talks about. And he Now speaking of being left a center for me. He has taken me into a whole nother realm of my Christian beliefs, like Where do we go with this? He just has a spectacular way of looking at things he says the best way to create your future is to is to imagine it. But you have to live in imagine it already have happening. That’s right. Now something that kind of that he says that I really have taken to heart and I was talking to a girl from the other day, and she was going through a rough time. And I said, You know what, we have to remember that our memories, when we’re remembering something, we’re still living them in the now. Because our souls or spirits don’t differentiate necessarily to timelines. I look in the mirror and I see the wrinkles, and I see my hair graying. And I know time is passing, because my body is aging. Hmm. But my aunt told me once when I was very young, surely what you’ll understand, I was just like, barely even 30. And she said, You will know when you get older, your spirit has an age just you do. It’s all right. In my mind’s eye, I’m still the same person. You know,

Brandon Handley 20:52
it’s so funny, you say that? I always, you know, so I was doing Jiu Jitsu for a while until COVID. And go in there and hang out with people. And you guys are being guys talking about? I’d be getting in there with a younger guy, like, come on old guy, or you’re, you know, you’re just getting old or I was like, I’m not getting all my body’s getting old. Right leg? You know, I’m like, as you know, nothing has changed. Right? Now, there’s

Shelley R Shearer 21:15
my wisdom. Yeah, and whatever, which is fantastic. Right? Oh, you’ve had this all blessing us at

Brandon Handley 21:23

  1. That’s funny, because I remember you saying that earlier to, just to how, you know, you wouldn’t exchange the wisdom right now for youth. But there’s always that other line too, that people are always cracking, which is on this makes me think of your dad, too, is, you know, what would you do? What would you tell your 20 year old self, you know, and and really what they’re saying is like, especially now I think even at our age, and when your dad was 40 is like, when you realize all the wisdom that you have, like, I’m just gonna go ahead and use this for the next 2015 1520 years. Right. So yeah, you know,

Shelley R Shearer 21:58
that’s a very good point about having grace. Because my dad has a great education was raised and born in Saskatchewan, one of nine, and he’s one of the youngest of that crew. Very, very brutal, straight out of second generation British parents, very different upbringing. So now he married a city girl with an education and a working father, that worked professionally. So my parents are actually kind of funny that way, but well suited to each other’s strengths. So I could see him as a father and later in life saying, Oh, no, please don’t let my children go through what I went through, like, go get an education, right? Get a career. And he always wanted me to get something good. I could go somewhere that he could travel to meet me. He’s like, I need you to go work in Australia or something, Shelly honey,

Unknown Speaker 22:41
so I can run?

Shelley R Shearer 22:43
Okay, that’ll get right on that. So let’s just go for physical therapy and got nowhere with it. But regardless, I could see you have very valid point as a parent, right? Don’t do it, you know, don’t do what I did don’t make my mistakes. Right? Well,

Brandon Handley 22:56
that’s what we try to do. All we’re trying to do is like, man, here’s my list. And just like, don’t do any of this, right? Or, you know, and this is this is, this is why I feel like I’m very lucky to be a parent in this time and age, right, I started fatherhood for the rest of us, that was the first podcast. And that was, you know, learning the positive opposites. Right? You don’t, right? And this plays right into law of attraction is play, right? And everything else, right? You don’t think about what you don’t want your children to? Do? You tell them what you want them to do? Exactly. Because otherwise, you’re already creating the image in their mind of what you don’t want them to do. And as you and I know, the subconscious doesn’t see yes or no, they just see the picture

Shelley R Shearer 23:34
exactly right or wrong. Even if it doesn’t differentiate, it just sees the picture that you’re playing, just like having the comment about the memories, every time. I mean, remember things, it’s fun, but recognize that you need to like, let it go and go back to where it belongs. Because otherwise, you’re living your current existence in that memory. And if that memory and those experiences are negative, or bad, you are bringing them into your current circumstances, like this morning, every single day of your life. No wonder there is no positive emotion going forward. Because your thoughts are all in the past and all the negativity. Absolutely. I

Brandon Handley 24:11
mean, look, it’s in the word right and negative being like a re cursor, right? Like we did that. Um, so what one thing that you talked about this morning, too, was, you know, waking up and catching and creating a vision for the day?

Shelley R Shearer 24:27
Yes, very much.

Brandon Handley 24:29
Is that a daily practice?

Unknown Speaker 24:31
Yes, very much. So.

Brandon Handley 24:32
What’s that, like, you know, for the audience.

Shelley R Shearer 24:37
No matter what I have positive or negative to say about my upbringing, prayer was instigated in my life. And that makes meditation for me quite easy. And because I never had grew up in the Catholic religion where I had to worry about talking to a priest. It was always a direct contact, contact or conversation sorry with source. Meditation for me is really that now which is why I talk about in my little ebook I don’t care if you’re lying in bed in the morning, or it’s just before you’re going to sleep at night, let your mind wander and just go over the positives or go over what you want to see happen. show gratitude for whatever’s in your life, what’s going on in that day. Because that now is in the subconscious, like you say, the subconscious isn’t there to differentiate between all of this is just waiting for you to give it you know, to activate. And so activate on the positive activate on what you’re grateful for. So yes, that is very, very much a daily thing for me. In fact, I even got into the habit of doing a sitting here, a gratitude journal, and someone knows, and of course, one day and you just buy them. And that for people, it’s like people who go on diets, I always say get an app on your phone and write down everything for a week, though. Because your awareness you need to see because they’re like, cheating. I don’t eat sugar. Mm hmm. Yeah, it’s every thing.

Brandon Handley 25:53
Whatever you track, right? Whatever you track, you pay, you can measure. Yeah, you can measure as well.

Shelley R Shearer 25:58
So my gratitude journal was that’s became a habit at nighttime, just even if it was just three lines. It’s like, I’m tired. I don’t wanna do this right now. I made myself do it. It was a habit to do it that way. 80% of the time, it was getting done.

Brandon Handley 26:11
Yeah, no, I mean, you’re lucky and you can’t beat yourself up if you don’t do it. Right. Like it’s these are. And I think that that’s one of the problems. Not a problem. It’s just one of our, again, another Western civilization Quirk. Right. Which is, which is Oh, I missed the day. I guess I’m never gonna do it again. Oh, right. It’s all or nothing.

Shelley R Shearer 26:32
Oh, I hear coaches talk about that all the time. Fitness coaches, anything is like, no, get back up on the horse The next day, please. That’s why I say to people what I used to coach health stuff because I was in a network marketing company for a couple years. It was just kind of fun. And it really spoke to my need just to be healthier. Because I’ve always been a bit of a nutcase. Like always a bit of a health nut, what you do 80% of the time is a good habit. Hmm. Not the one day a week or the every now and then, where you just blow it all to smithereens. And you haven’t gone to the gym in a week or when on vacation and drank every day. Okay, great. You did that writing on, right act to your routine. Oh, and if you can get those habits in place, and they are there 8% of the time, you will slip back to them because it’s your norm.

Brandon Handley 27:15
Right. Well, I mean, that was one of the things that we learned with this podcasting course was, you know, your default pattern, right? I know that that was one of the places I first picked up on how your default patterns was through, you know, Sam,

Shelley R Shearer 27:30
right and consistency, Sam, just, you know, what, what is he? What does Sam always say? My favorite expression is Sam. Repetition reduces resistance. Yeah, I

Brandon Handley 27:39
haven’t listened for a while. But um, you know, I still love them like it without without going through that I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t be where I am today. And so let’s talk about what is it you’re doing right now? Are you doing the coaching? Are you? Yes.

Shelley R Shearer 27:51
So just getting you just very small. It’s just a very, it’s new. It’s new to me for now. I started coaching back in January, took on my first clients, okay, and it didn’t actually want to do it. At first, my coach was making me I just want to public speak, I love to talk.

Brandon Handley 28:06
Clearly, you do their job, but you’re very well spoken. So thanks, sweetie. Putting it to good use.

Shelley R Shearer 28:12
And I wanted to write a book. But it was like you still have to earn a living. And also there’s always there’s always the attitude with coaching is that you can’t keep all that knowledge to yourself, if you’re not, and I’m definitely so I talk about things in my podcasts, something called the sacred gifts. And it was a course I took a number of years ago and that lady is now a personal friend of mine, even though I quote and I called her, Monique ladette MacDonald, Monique, l e da Tila that you can find her anywhere sacred gifts, okay. And she talks about the things that are innately in us, like right out of the gate is one of those neat courses where you take and you realize, Oh, that’s not me. That’s a skill set. Like administration. I worked in an office for 30 years. All right, not my gift. Okay, I just learned to get good at it. So you can still have great skill sets and everything. But I have the gift of what they call service, and hospitality and knowledge. Those are my three main gifts. So I have to learn stuff. But then I also have to share it with you because what makes it a gift is that you share it with the world. So although I love music, I don’t have a gift of music, things like that. It’s something I definitely never share with the world.

Unknown Speaker 29:19
It’s just not pleasant.

Shelley R Shearer 29:20
But the gift of service was and what I realized early on in my accounting career was that gift was always in play with the smaller clients I was servicing. I was helping you was hospitality was even involved in my knowledge was needed. Right? When I got to be later in life when I was at companies like Bell Canada, one of those big telco companies here in Canada. those gifts were not engaged in I load my accounting work. I thought what happened? It’s the same job. So I’m making more money and I’ve got people reporting to me and I hated it hated every minute of it. So gifts are really important. So the gift of services there regardless and it’s innate in me. Therefore, if I know knowledge, I have to be able to share it and coaching is the best way to do that.

Brandon Handley 30:00
Yeah, I love it. I love. I love coaching, I love sharing out that knowledge I love. I love seeing somebody go through the journey, right? I love, I love seeing them come into it too, you know, and just being able to recognize it like just on a visual cue or even like through some phrases, if somebody’s like, typing in like Facebook or somewhere and you’re like, I know exactly where you are, I know exactly what’s going on in your mind. And we should talk, you know, and you know, and that’s it’s not a, it’s not a sign of transaction I’m looking for, right? It’s like, Look, this is I can help you if you’d like, kind of thing, right? Or like, so so I get that. And I’ve seen it, I’ve seen it called, here’s another one of my little rants. But I’ve seen it called, you know, generational knowledge, right? We need to, we need to pass that generational knowledge. Yes. Right. So I feel almost, and I’m sure there’s not intentional in any way, shape or form. But if you look at Western civilization again, especially in the US and Canada, the generations have been divided very much almost purposely, right? Like almost, you know, so, you know, when you get too old, they’re like, well, we got to ship you off. We can’t take care of you anymore. But like who, where’s where’s, where are the elders, and in that situation, right to pass,

Shelley R Shearer 31:22
which is a completely score, fundamental belief system, in every Aboriginal or ancient civilization in history. Right. The elders are the holders of the knowledge. We’ve got to the point that as soon as our kids hit nine, we’ve got them labeled as Tweenies, or millennials, there’s, so they’ve got this lovely little label, and then they start buying into that indoctrinated propaganda. It’s like, No, no, no, stop right now, please. Because all you are right now is just young, you might be growing up in different technology than us. Fair enough. But I think one of our biggest advantages, and just why cannot stand people to say things Oh, I can’t be bothered that things will never change.

Unknown Speaker 32:00
Really?

Shelley R Shearer 32:03
Because I’m pretty sure 200 years ago, you would dive in infection because penicillin wasn’t invented yet. So that’s sort of, you know, willful ignorance. Crazy. Yes, for sure. Do not put our children into a box and then do not ship off for elderly. Right? There is a humongous disconnect here in our society in this in this area.

Brandon Handley 32:20
Right. Yeah. So you see to salutely All right, all right. So you know, this, this kind of innate ability, the, you know, connected to source, kind of reconnecting back to source like, kind of after pushing it aside, or, or just not recognizing it for what it was for a while how, you know, how did that show back up in your life? And what’s it been like, since then?

Shelley R Shearer 32:48
I’d have to see it showed back up when I got a handle on accepting that this wasn’t a punishment, because that’s how I felt I felt God punished me with fibro. Hmm, I get you know, and it’s funny, because I wasn’t raised necessarily with some of the Catholic belief systems that you know, that things happen because you’ve been naughty, or that you need to do good things to earn your way into heaven. And like I say, remember, I’m married to a Catholic, and a very good friend. So some of this stuff is not I may know, I’ve talked to these people, I know how some of the religious doctrine works. And I’ve never, I’ve always believed in grace, because being in the Pentecostal church are simply saved, you know, you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior, and the sins are forgiven. And when you’re raised with that sort of belief structure, it often makes me surprised how many people hang on to so much guilt and shame, because it’s like, well, if you truly believe that you can change as a person and that there was grace and there is forgiveness from a higher source. And Shouldn’t you be living in that in that grace? And that, that good stuff,

Unknown Speaker 33:54
right? Why wouldn’t you be?

Shelley R Shearer 33:56
Exactly So for me, when I came to the realization that this was not a punishment, and when I also started coaching with my own coach to say, this is a journey, and there’s lessons here I need to learn one of the things in you, you and I have Adam in common. One of the his strong belief structures is

Unknown Speaker 34:16
so you’re able to edit this

Unknown Speaker 34:17
will be good people have dogs,

Unknown Speaker 34:21
because

Unknown Speaker 34:22
you can always get up and walk away for a second and I can monitor if you’re, it’s okay.

Unknown Speaker 34:28
All she’s doing, she can’t

Unknown Speaker 34:29
see.

Shelley R Shearer 34:31
So one of the things that he really hammered home for me in our coaching sessions were that life happens for me, not to me,

Brandon Handley 34:37
that’s a great trend. And

Shelley R Shearer 34:38
when you can get your head around that as an individual, it changes everything. It changes how you look at every situation. And in fact, although maybe not 100%, you know, across the board relatable, it saved my marriage even when I was struggling a year or two ago because instead of looking at the lame, like, what are you doing? And how I’m feeling about it? Sure. Again, back to the emotions follow thoughts. Of course, I’m going to think negative or feel negatives, when all I’m thinking is he’s this he’s that he’s, what other response is your body going to have? Or your subconscious going to accept? Negative? Yeah. So when you can take responsibility for yourself, which is what really started this journey, and then believe that life is for me, well, if it’s for me, then that means everything is for me. So what do I need to take out of this situation? Well, I wouldn’t have a podcast, I wouldn’t be coaching, which I love. Excuse me, I wouldn’t have been able to even help my son through so much of what he’s gone through the last few years, because I was literally just two steps ahead of him going through my own stuff. I wouldn’t have been able to repair some of the relationship with my parents. And now that you know, there are failures, you know, they’ve got dimension, my mother has been diagnosed as well. So she doesn’t remember speaking me sometimes the day before, which is very sad. But it made me look at all of that very, very differently. What was the lesson here for me?

Brandon Handley 36:11
The idea of taking 100% ownership for your life. You know, I understood the concept, and I went and I saw cheese. Who’s the Chicken Soup for the Soul guy? Okay, so I went saw him. He really great. Yeah, really great presenter, right. But he said, You know, he goes, just try it for a little bit, just try to take 100% ownership, because because if you take you know, 100% ownership for everything, everything, including like everything, everything included yet, then you know everything, it’s on you, right, you’ve got that responsibility. But if you just take responsibility for 99% of it, that’s, that’s not gonna work. Right? So you’ve just so much is 1% can throw it off for you. And it’s kinda like you said to, you know, they say this, and I think the data, you know, either all of it, or none of it is God. And just like Albert Einstein says, to either everything or nothing is a miracle. Right? Like miracles. So I love that mindset, right, and making that shift that the world is out there for you. I don’t know if you’re familiar with a book that I love is called, are you ready to succeed? Um, I’ve

Shelley R Shearer 37:29
read that one.

Brandon Handley 37:30
So make a note of that one. Oh, good. I mean, I’m on my, I’ll probably read it for my fourth time this year, because, you know, I’ll read like a chapter a week, and you do the exercises in it, and you go through it. And in that book, he just talks about how you know, of Indian descent.

Unknown Speaker 37:46
How

Brandon Handley 37:48
the benevolent universe has Montana, right? It’s a benevolent universe. And if you can find, you know, what good the universe is kind of doing for you on your behalf today, then, that’s a game changer. It is. And also to your relationship example, right? I view my relationship as a gift and opportunity for me to recognize what my triggers are. Right? If

Unknown Speaker 38:16
that’s a good one. Yes. Right. Your

Brandon Handley 38:18
triggers are what are my triggers? Right? Because if I’m, if I’m, you know, it goes to that, that little letter writing exercise I’m sure you’re familiar with, like, if I write you a letter, if I write a letter to someone that’s pissing me off, and blah, blah, blah, and all these things that are annoying me about them? That’s a reflection on myself. Right? Yes. Well, so the reverse is true, though, too. So if I write a letter of like, all the admirable traits, you know, those are the things I admire about myself, right? So I’ll catch myself in the relationship situation be like, Oh, my gosh, she doesn’t do those who didn’t do that? I’m like, neither did I. Right. Right. So so I just look at it as kind of like an opportunity for me to recognize what my triggers are. And that was a lesson for me, because and again, too, if we don’t address those triggers are the things that are always blown up in our face, they will always be there.

Shelley R Shearer 39:09
Yes. And they will always control you. So you will always be doing the neat what we like, like I like to call the knee jerk reaction versus the planned response. Where would you rather live that planned response or a knee jerk situation where your subconscious is controlling? I always love that analogy with the iceberg. And there’s the waterline, and here’s what everyone sees what we think is our reality, right? And then this is our subconscious, huge compared to up here.

Brandon Handley 39:37
Right? Right. So I mean, the video may not go out so I’m gonna just explain so you know, she, she just drew like, kind of a triangle and it’s literally only like, in 5% maybe on the top and 95% on the bottom, which, you know, I always we can accord to your conscious and your subconscious. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, um,

Unknown Speaker 39:58
you know, the

Brandon Handley 39:59
idea Spiritual dope is kind of like, we can get these spiritual, right we can get like these spiritual highs, right? Like it just like like, Oh man, I just feel like so filled with source and just filled with life. What where does that come for you like what are some of your spiritual highs? What are some of your spiritual dopes?

Shelley R Shearer 40:21
Definitely family and when I say that I’m married into an amazing family, and I have my granddaughter as well. And you know, it’s funny, you should just mention that. For some reason, it just popped into my mind growing up with the Bible, and the fact that you were two or more gathered together, the Bible says there will be also wood, you know what, that is actually a universal truth. And we see it every day and mob mentality, we thinking how does all those people get crazy and will because they became a group and the energy became a force of nature, the negativity that a few people were feeling, they surrounded themselves with it. So I remember my parents telling me growing up, he was very important to go to church on Sunday for that food. And I’m thinking as I got older, like, whatever. But actually, that is very true in our lives. It doesn’t necessarily have to be church for you find the friends, I found my tribe, and especially my neighborhood. So when I got sick, and we were able to move up the street into a house that had rental suite, so we didn’t have to downsize was a gift, just a gift from God. And because these people, these ladies, especially in this neighborhood, and even the men, they’re our friends, they’re our support network. And where we are gathered together, there is positive energy. And there is thought and there is solutions talked about and not just gossip that we’re looking for. You need to make a decision and actively go search for that in your life. Now, if it’s going to church on Sundays, great, just don’t get involved in a lot of negativities everyone’s going to hell but you nonsense, because that’s really roughly not going to give you what you need. There are still reasons why people gather, right? Why there are powers in numbers because exponentially our energetic beings of ourselves or a field grow and feed off each other. That’s why kids and gangs run around doing bad things. And it gets worse. And the opposite is true. For sure.

Brandon Handley 42:16
I just finished reading on force versus power by Dr. David Hawkins. And he talks a little bit about this too. Like I mean, this is a you read about you read about people to spend time with Yogi’s, right and how they’re all just kind of sitting there and meditation and then all of a sudden, like they get that whatever happens right? They get that head of spiritual dope and like what, but he calls it it’s a vibrational entrainment. So like, if you guys are all hanging out vibrating at a certain level, then you guys are also increasing each other’s vibration.

Shelley R Shearer 42:48
Exactly. or something. I actively search for that in my life. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 42:53
yeah, no, absolutely. But I mean, that’s what they tell you to go find people that are beyond where you are today, right? go seek those people out. And for the people that are listening that like the woowoo stuff, that’s one of the reasons why is because you are in an entrainment field then. Right,

Shelley R Shearer 43:11
exactly.

Brandon Handley 43:12
How much fun is that? Like, I mean, it may make us right makes me and that’s and i think that i think that you know, again, this podcast is also geared towards like taking all this spiritual energy and applying it to a successful kind of business and place What would you say, you know, how have you taken like your spiritual energy and infused that to a more holistic business practice? I would say

Shelley R Shearer 43:41
I don’t think I will actually the simple answer that is I don’t think I could coach without it if I hadn’t made that choice and that change wouldn’t be coaching okay. I just wouldn’t be I was my old self is too logical to right or wrong to not self yes an ego but I was very independent and bit bit of a loner, and I still am to a certain extent I’m what they call an extroverted introvert. I need a lot of downtime to recover. And being I guess, being a bit of Pathak, I guess they call it people’s emotions affect me. And I really had to learn to protect myself while still giving back. So if I hadn’t come to some of those realizations, yeah, I would still just be doing accounting work and worrying about debits and credits, not about people’s well being.

Brandon Handley 44:27
Tell me tell me a tool or visualization or something you use to protect your energies. And I asked this because I don’t have that problem. Like I like I am. I’m not an MP, right. Like I like, I like people and I feel your emotions and we’re all cool, but like it doesn’t. I don’t feel it. Right. So but I do know people that experienced the same thing. So what do you do to protect your energy?

Unknown Speaker 44:58
Yeah. Oh,

Shelley R Shearer 44:59
that’s an interesting one. I have to be careful what I read and watch on TV for starters. Okay, very much so because it affects me, it affects my sleep and affects my thought patterns. I do take a lot of quiet downtime. And in fact, we’ll be going back, you know, we don’t wait up to our family’s home in penticton, which the Okanagan Valley here in BC, fruit wine country for us, that’s lovely. And we have a little house that I lived in as a child and has always stayed in the family. And I’m going to head back up there for a few weeks. Next month on my own, I want to do the outline for the book, because I just need to be out of the energetic field of sometimes all the chaos that’s even going on in my own home. Just people I’ve had students that live with us and get it done. And I do you need to just decompress a lot, watching what goes in my brain, I take it all on. And what I didn’t realize is when I was younger, one of the things about being my personality trait was amplified in this aspect, not realizing I had empathic abilities, in the fact that I just shut myself down, I built a really strong wall around myself, and didn’t let me out very often. Because they didn’t know how to protect that it was just I might as well have just, you know, stuck my heart out of my chest, lay there and let you poke needles at it. And it’s like, that’s just a bizarre visual. But that’s almost like what felt like to me. So now I work very hard at not over scheduling my days. And not being with people day in and day out. I cannot do that very hard to my husband who’s a true extrovert. But for me, people drain me they don’t charge me He is a full on. We’ve done this, this and this now let’s go to the after party because I’m gonna get you set up. I’m like, Oh my gosh, let

Brandon Handley 46:37
me go home to my bathtub. Definitely, definitely more the after party kind of guy. That’s okay. So

Shelley R Shearer 46:44
you’re the after party and kind of guy or not.

Brandon Handley 46:45
I am okay. At least I was right. Like, I mean, it’s been, you know, my whole journey has been, you know, just kind of letting go some of the things that didn’t serve me like so now I’ll shut down and be like, you know, if I’m in a fun man and party atmosphere, I’m like, nothing here for me go have fun. I’ll see you guys later. Right? Like, because I’d rather go watch Autobiography of a yoga

Shelley R Shearer 47:10
Yogi. Okay, you know what I mean? But that’s the big thing is recognizing it about yourself. So many people remove themselves from the situation without understanding why they’re doing it. The understanding of the motivation is

Brandon Handley 47:21
so important. I think that, you know, we could probably wrap it with with something like that, where you started off with that, right, recognizing where your emotion was coming from, which was being driven by a thought. And then not just recognizing that being able to transform that energy, right? It’s an immediate, it’s kind of like the old old school railroad tracks right here it comes to train the trains already gone. The beautiful thing about the train that we run and operate in our mind is that we can switch those tracks at any time.

Shelley R Shearer 47:53
Yes, exactly. So I’ve always loved the expression, like you say, to end this here, I’ve always loved the expression, it’s all in your mind. Because it is a full believer on that I believe in the placebo effect, I believe that we have the ability to change based on how we think about things. So really understanding what you need as an individual and taking that time, and not allowing people that don’t understand how paths work draining me all the time. That has been a godsend for me. And the big thing too, is that you cannot apologize for it, then quit apologizing to the world around you. That doesn’t understand. Like I say I’m married to an extrovert, full on and because I’m social social story, people always thought we were the same. But I need very, very different recovery tools than he does. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 48:41
was important to recognize. So thank you. That’s definitely some nice tools. I think for people that experienced that. Me on like a lead ball, like I don’t even know. Right. So and it’s that’s okay, too. So what, where can we send people to hang out with you? I mean, it’s been a ton of fun. I will keep going. But I have absolutely no,

Shelley R Shearer 49:00
I know we do. And we’re gonna we’ll do this again soon, I promise. And I’d love to have you as guest on my show as well, because I my listeners would just I have a very large male demographic of all i don’t know why but I do. And so they would just love they love it. When I do interviews. You can reach me anywhere at living well with shell that is the name of the Instagram page, the Facebook page, my email living well with Shell at gmail, the generic one. Anything living well with Shell, you will find me on social media.

Brandon Handley 49:24
Awesome. So thank you so much for coming on today. I really enjoyed it. Thank

Shelley R Shearer 49:27
you for having me. It’s been wonderful. We’ll see you soon. Absolutely. Excellent.

Unknown Speaker 49:32
Thanks for listening to the spiritual Dell. And thank you, Shelley, for being on the show. Spiritual dub. Be sure to follow us on Facebook and on our website does spiritual dope.com

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Srikumar Rao Are You Ready to Succeed Chapter 02 02

The book we are going through:

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Brandon Handley 0:00
Hey, spiritual zope Welcome back to chapter two of a real of chapter two of Are you ready to succeed in a real, where we’re picking up from where we left off, we just got done learning, we just got done learning that your life is a reality. And we got done learning that it your problem may be that you think that this is the reality. And again, we kind of we wind unwind some of these mental models that we’ve created for ourselves, and the idea that we, we create all these things that are simply not real, right? These are just perceptions based off of what we think we know, and then driving it forward. So he comes in here as srikumar Rao says, Hey, you know, then Escape is possible. All right, Escape is possible. And he says, if your life is a reality, then perhaps you could shift it. And that’s awesome, right? So just knowing that there are multiple options, I mean, think about family guy and the multiverse, right? Maybe you can shift it or you know, think about any time travel, movie, even Back to the Future, we go go into a reality that is created based off of an action that was taken once upon a time, where it’s shifted the future, because you chose a reality. I mean, when you, we put it this way to, when you make your next move, when you take your next action, you have an outcome in mind. That’s, that’s the, that’s the reason why you take action on it. And sometimes, that action that you take, gives you the outcome that you were looking for, sometimes it doesn’t, right, so that you have multiple realities going forward. And the idea is, you can possibly shift it, right. So now the deal is, again, if it is the reality, then the life that you have now is the life that you will always have. And it’s going to turn out, you know, in a specific, three determined and destined way, right? There’s nothing you can do about it, suffer, just live it. And he illustrates this with a nice story. And again, I don’t feel like it’s a it’s really my place for to really go over the stories. So much, because I’ve given so much of the book away, that really drive these points home, I just really feel like, again, he does a really good job of pulling some of these stories together. So that he can help to illustrate these points that he’s created here. And again, I’ll go with the whole idea of you, you choose your reality, you know, you have the ability to choose a reality going forward. And it’s not necessarily the reality, how many times have you, you know, just kind of felt and thought some way, in any scenario, gone through life, you know, stomping your feet, you know, five years goes by next thing, you know, you have a conversation with a friend or the person or thing where you’re like, man, I thought that like, you know, when you did this thing, you know, you were such a jerk, or we did this thing, I thought that was so awesome. And they come back to you. And like, that’s not really how it was at all. Here’s what really happened and like, it causes like ripple effect to go to the past. Right? Because it has totally changed the storyline. Now the storyline is wholly changed based off of this new information going backwards. Right? So there there are multiple realities in that scenario. So let’s take a look at an alternate reality. And let’s also let’s let’s determine, you know, what is your most important asset? Perhaps it is your ability to be happy, to be fulfilled, to be choice? Would you give this asset to boss to somebody? Would you give this asset to anybody really? And the deal is, no, you wouldn’t. Why would Why would you give that asset away? Why would you give your ability to kind of be happy, on demand to be fulfilled, on demand to be joyous on demand. So why why put that in somebody else’s hands

Brandon Handley 5:00
And then the other. The other idea too is when somebody outside of us knowing you, somebody just you know, they’re making you frustrated, they’re their actions are, you know, kind of pissing you off? The idea is like when you’re annoyed, does that, does that poison your entire attitude? Why would you let somebody else outside of you? poison your attitude? And that and the deal is you’re giving your most valuable asset over to another, you’re letting somebody outside of you control how you feel. Think about that for a second, does that make any sense?

Brandon Handley 5:46
I mean, the answer is that it doesn’t really make any sense. So how then, how then can you avoid giving power over your happiness to someone else? That’s a that’s the real question that you you want to ask. And srikumar Rao says that when you ask yourself this question, and you truly wish to find the answer, then chances are you’re going to have a powerful breakthrough. So he says that you will slip into a parallel universe that has always been available to you, but you’ve never looked for it. Think about it, again. This this is if this is ringing true, then then you’ll know it right? This is this is ringing true. And you know that there’s a parallel universe has always been available, and you haven’t really looked for it, or you’ve begun to kind of slip in and out of it, then then it’s kind of like, Wow, I can’t believe this is in a book. Right. He also, this reminds me of a quote I saw yesterday to Anthony de Mello, who is, by the way featured inside of this book. And he has this quote, which is the spiritual quest is a journey without distance you travel from where you are right now, to where you’ve always been, from ignorance to recognition. Again, I think that really relates to this, what Sreekumar said here, you will slip into a parallel universe has always been available to you, but you never looked for it. Mm hmm. Each time, and these aren’t things, and a lot of this, I did not pick up on the first time I read through it. So it’s interesting, because, again, I didn’t I didn’t, I didn’t read, I’ve been through this three different, at least three different times, this being my fourth. And the way that I’m reading it, this time is 100%. Different than then how I’ve read it previously. So over the years, obviously, I’m going back and I’m, uh, I’m learning different things, you know, I’m seeing things differently than I had had before, because the current way of my thinking is different. So he goes through the exercise of an alternate reality. Ideally, you’re going to go through some of the ones that you created before, you’re going to go through some of, you know, exercise, mental models, you’re going to take a look at them, you’re going to go ahead and you’re going to revise You know, one of them or change something, and then you’re going to live that way, within a new mental model, as though

Unknown Speaker 8:48
it were real

Brandon Handley 8:51
knowing knowing that the mental models that that you have created already aren’t real. And that’s fundamental, you got to understand that the mental models that exist in your life now aren’t real. So why not create a new one? helpful hints on the exercise Ultimate Reality is a nice story to the Yeah, so it gives a he does give a nice story that essentially outlines that what happens when you accept blame for others attitudes, right? So say somebody is outside you and the they blame you for how they feel. We know that this isn’t true. We know this isn’t true. We talked about it already. We talked about the idea of, you know, giving giving your assets over someone else, letting someone outside of you dictate how you feel inside. Alright, so the same now can be said of somebody outside of you if they’re coming to you. And they’re saying hey, You’re You make me feel this way. And that’s, that’s on you, man, I got nothing, nothing to do with how you feel internally. All right. But he goes a cuter story than that. Again, I’m just, I want to leave some of those. There’s some of those that imagination, I can’t recommend this book. Enough, obviously, otherwise, I don’t think I’d be gone through these exercises. And I just say no, I’m going to post in the video of this outline that I’m reading through to and going through all here. So if you want to go through and check out the video and see somebody outlines for yourself, you can go ahead and check out the video on the webpage spiritual dope coat. And the closing quote from this book are from chapter two. Again, just another one, it’s just, I just didn’t read these like this. Historically, it’s so funny because it’s the same book on the same person on the outside. But, you know, whatever’s going on inside is totally different. And it’s reading things, taking in information totally differently. And I gotta tell you, I’m enjoying it. I’m enjoying it again. Every time I’ve gone through it, I’ve completely enjoyed it and each time so it’s like it keeps getting better. So the closing quote is your life is hemmed in by the things you know to be true, but aren’t. It’s time to start setting yourself Bree What is your mental model today? know that it’s not real. Know that you can change it at any time at will know that. Know that. You’re not beholden to it know that the story or the model that you’ve created. you invested so much time and effort into that if it’s not working for you anymore? King Stop it. Leave it is does it fit? Stop for you anymore? Maybe it serves you at one point. Maybe that model worked for you. Obviously His work has gotten you to this point. Maybe though it’s time to make a shift. Maybe it’s time to make an adjustment. Anyways, that is it for chapter two. It ain’t real have Are you ready to succeed a little bit of a deep dive on this. I hope that you’re enjoying these I hope that you check out this book for yourself at some point. If this is something that you’d like to get in on yourself and just participate with me on then and a couple of others then feel free to reach out to Brandon as spiritual dope.co Take it easy

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What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on spiritual dope? How are you? How are you? It is it’s a Friday. It’s Friday. And it’s been it’s been a long one, you know, I’ve got a guy that was on Apollo for the rest of us podcast, john Daly coach Sean Daly. And so remember him saying, you know, the days are long, and the years are short. So the days have been long. But the week has been short. But we made it guys, we made it, we made it through. But it’s been an interesting one. So I thought I’d share that with you has zero context on what I’m about to talk to you about. So thanks. So this is one I’ve been wanting to get to you since the weekend. I’m finally getting around to it, though. So the question is, question is this someone defining your experience for you? Right? your mind, your thoughts, and your personal experiences are all subjective. And that can make it a challenge when you go to discuss that with others, right. And especially, especially your spiritual life, trying to translate the spiritual life, to somebody who is I will call it uninitiated, can certainly be a challenge. But as we as we go through, as we go through that, right, there are certain levels of experiences and understanding in those experiences. Again, most of those are going to be subjective. However, throughout time, these patterns are emerged, right? They’re distinguishable patterns, to and to the individual, it ends up it’s not somewhat subjective, much in the same way that logic is embodied in a program, there’s still a human element driving the machine. So a human element driving machine that’s subjectivities, always going to be there. But there is, again, that discernible pattern of somebody kind of going through and having a spiritual experience. And there’s a beauty of frustration here in my mind, because at some point, you must become the authority on a few different things. One of those is what do you accept to be true? Who are the authorities, right? Who are the authorities. And the translation of your experience, and I bring this up as I was recently in a dialogue with a gentleman I would call a teacher, maybe say, a member of the Sangha, right, somebody that I’ve met along my path, right, and spent some time with, and he had reached out to me in regards to a book that he’d recently read, shared, Hey, you got to read this. And I just finished this book, maybe within the past month, the book you’d recommend, it was called, it is called power versus force, by David R. Hawkins, Dr. At that, and it contains a great illustration on kind of how the body is connected to the field of consciousness. And you can use it, your body and that field of consciousness to, to calibrate the certain vibratory fields. And what Dr. Hawkins did was he created a map of consciousness, if you will, because a visual representation in a logarithmic fashion regarding consciousness at its various levels of vibratory resonance, and what do I mean by that? That what I mean is that the bottom of this field, you’ll find shame and humiliation at 20. And as you scale up, you get into grief at 75. You could up to fear at 100 that there’s anger at 150, the tipping point t found is at 200. All right, and then as you start to move forward, the tipping point for and so what I mean by that is at 200 and below, there’s kind of eating away at right this, this kind of the scarcity mentality, this lack full mentality. And then you get, you get up to 200. And then you get courage, and then in the hope 310, then all the way up to 1000, which is enlightenment. had before before I move on, I really like for you to sit in a resonance and a couple of these feelings and emotions right at a couple of these different scales if you will, and experience it for yourself. So if you’re sitting with shame, at 20 you’re sitting with the emotion of humiliation. If you’re sitting with shame at 20 you’ve almost got a feeling of suffocation.

Brandon Handley 5:00
stifled, you’re free to make any move. Then you, then you hop all the way up. What is it to

Unknown Speaker 5:09
fear

Brandon Handley 5:10
at 100? And I think there’s an Adam Freeland song. There’s another song. Sure. No Fear is the mind killer. Here’s the mind COEs feelings of anxiety, you’ve got a tendency to withdraw from the space that you’re in when you’re sitting with fear and you could feel this. There’s an absolute resonance of ebb and flow that you’re, you’re feeling. There’s a, you’re sitting in a in an energetic field and just the sound resonates, vibrates, the energy field of these emotions will resonate and vibrate within you. And you crawl all the way up to this point of courage at 200. This is the tipping point. This is where you, you can go forward and my friends and I used to make a joke regarding courage. And we would say holy take some moments curves kill a vampire. And if you think about what a vampire is, it is at its base level in energy. Leach is fear in stasis, pitch, it should just take a moment of courage to banish that from your life that is empowerment. You assume control of yourself, you choose to move beyond the illusion of fear, shattering what seemed like an M surmountable giant along your path, and you smash that into smithereens tiny little pieces. And then you search forward.

Unknown Speaker 6:44
That’s been my experience.

Brandon Handley 6:47
And beyond on that scale, right? So I’ve been beyond 200 100%. And this is what I share with my buddy, I said, Hey, man, I believe that I could at least help people navigate to courage, right? I’ve been there. I’ve had that experience. And imagine my surprise when he questioned me because that and honestly, I was expecting his support he cited he goes, Hey, you know, someone needs you got to experience that for yourself. Right? He goes on mere book knowledge won’t do. And what I thought was interesting, and it was just in a moment, right?

Unknown Speaker 7:27
I suffered doubt,

Brandon Handley 7:29
maybe even despair for a moment, which you can locate on the map of consciousness at 50. So imagine that just come to this bear for a moment, that empty feeling. You feel like you’ve come so long or far away, or you feel like you’re in a great place. And here’s somebody that I placed on a pedestal right, I put them above me, in my mind, he I chose him as an authority. And I shrink back. I had my own hide my own light, it was in the same moment that I realized that what was happening was I was looking to another validation. Someone outside of me, and I was accepting quite possibly what may be true for him to be true for me. And what do I mean by that? Is that he words are his words are mirror of himself, right? In a moment’s courage. I literally just metaphorically drove a stake into the heart of that vampire. I was like, You know what, fuck it. You don’t need fucking permission to be great. I didn’t need his permission. You know that permission is already been given to you, everyone. Everyone has been born with it. And so how can you be sure that right and what you know greatness. It’s funny because nobody still remember when I when I first talked about stepping into your own greatness bag I follow for the recipe. Oh, no boast up into greatness. Nobody. Nobody wants to assume that’s greatness. It’s like, there it is. It’s yours. It’s so it’s inherent. It’s not even. It’s not even that you you have to look for it. It’s there already. And, you know, you you yourself have certainly you’ve learned to recognize greatness in others. And how do you do that? Right? You’ve got to have familiarity with it yourself. You must have experienced it within yourself. So in order to be called some somebody great, you must know what that is. Right? There’s, there’s something inside of you. reflecting back to yourself. That is greatness. And when I think about it, I think about it in terms of that letter that you write to somebody who annoys you. I don’t know if you’ve ever done this exercise where you you know, maybe there’s somebody that you find very annoying in your life and you take some time you write out all the shit that that annoys you about them like is that thing does uphold their laundry doesn’t take the time to throw away that one dish doesn’t, you know, all the things right? And the funny thing is, is that oftentimes you can find those same annoying qualities within yourself. Right. And it’s really as easy, it’s easy to do that one. As the it’s funny though, because the same letter can be written to someone that you admire someone that you hold in high esteem. The funny thing is, the exact same thing happens here, these are the same qualities that you would Meyer, about yourself. And this is what they mean, one of one of the many meanings, right that this world is a reflection of yourself. And a yoke. So I want you to, I want you to think about that. And also want to share with you the 30. There, and I think that what this gentleman thought of really was that there are many people out there with the knowledge seeking the experience. And I would share with you with him, that for me, it’s been a matter of having the experience and then seeking the knowledge and how can I express that to to you to at all, really, how can I express that experience at all. And one of those ways, really, that, you know, if you’re in a similar situation, and I’ll share this been my own practice and how I feel like I’ve done it is that it starts in a belief within yourself. And a belief that I you are worth it. The belief that there is a greatness in there, there is something within you that if you cultivate it, and nurture it, if you invest in yourself, that you’ll be able to take a moment’s courage, that you’ll be able to journey into a dark spot, spot unknown, right? That’s what I mean by darkness is I mean, you know, darkness is only dark until you shine the light in that space, right. And then you’re gonna have your moments of clarity that are beyond what you once knew. And each time that you step into that space, you’re gonna have a new experience, and there’s going to be a different resonance of your character, a different vibration of who you are, and chances are, you’re going to want to figure out how to share that out. Right.

Brandon Handley 12:21
And chances are, that the person, you know, you once were, is now replaced by the person that you have become. Over this is open to everyone. Right? If you’ve been thinking about who you were, and how everything in your past has put you in a not great place. Maybe that’s a fallacy, right? This is open to everyone. Especially you, especially, you know, I think about people like, Dude, what’s his name? Russell Brand. Rob, you know, Rob, Iron Man, whatever the hell, Tony Stark, right? These are people, you know, who were way down and out at one point, and they rose back up? Especially Russell Brand, right? Like, I think he Wow, it’s so funny how I actually looked for people. Once upon a time. You know, I used to look at billboard 100. Now look at like, the spiritual 100. But Russell brands on there, right. And here’s a guy that a couple years ago, he was a fucking mess. And now he’s, you know, one of our spiritual leaders. So don’t think for one moment that just because you stumbled out of the of the sunlight or the blocks, that you don’t have the ability to win the race. And I know, I’m just using that terminology. And so I think about also, Robin Sharma, who’s got this 10 News got a whole bunch of stuff is great. Yeah, he’s got some self help books and whatnot. But I heard him speak on a podcast and in there he goes, you rise to your level of thinking?

Unknown Speaker 14:16
Which puts a switch for me.

Brandon Handley 14:19
Because, you know, you’ve heard it before you’re a human being having a spiritual experience. And once you kind of make that transition, what does that do for your level of thinking? So you’re given a choice, right? Which one are you going to take? Are you going to be a human being? Or are you going to accept and a moment’s courage that you are a divine being and all it takes is a moment to be divine, to be filled with grace? You’re going to take moments courage to call yourself a star seed, maybe an indigo child, a child of God even Yeah, it’s so good and how could you not what is the child of God capable of And I love the idea. You’re born into a benevolent universe. All you have to do is look for the signs. And all that takes is a moment’s Cause if you can stay in that for just a moment, if you can do it once, how many how many more? How many more times can do it?

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Brandon Handley 0:00

Or 54321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. I am on with Brandon haven or otherwise known as the spiritual smart as and, you know, just talking with him right now we had some conversations back and forth a few years back. This was when I was afraid, personally to be leading with spirituality. And I was really I was admiring you, Brandon. Not me, Brandon, you, Brandon, for for, for leading that way. And I thought that was really I thought that your unique sense of humor and felt like you were doing a kind of like a fearless sense. And I’ve really admired that. So thanks for being on here today.

Brandon Havener 0:38

Oh, yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me.

Brandon Handley 0:41

Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I like to start this off with like, you know, the universe creates through us, right, and the universe, you know, kind of puts us together, and whoever’s, like, you know, tune in in the podcast today and check on you and I out. They need to hear something today and it’s only going to come through you so what’s what’s that What’s that person need to hear? That’s coming through you in this podcast today.

Brandon Havener 1:05

I think the main thing is, you know, talking about spirituality and some of the shit that people would I don’t know if I’m allowed to cuss here

Brandon Handley 1:14

cannot say it’s spiritual. You know? I don’t know spiritual cleansing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:20

Yeah, so I you know, like anybody who

Brandon Marshall Havener 1:24

who finds pulled to that kind of stuff there’s going to be that fear of ridicule and being called crazy and you know, I think like spirituality and some of the conspiracy stuff to kind of go hand in hand where like some people are like really going into Oh my God, that’s crazy people have lost their mind and even your family might think you lost your mind. So you know just kind of like the conversation we had a little bit before we started recording it’s confronting you lose your you start losing old parts of your identity when you decide to go on the spiritual journey, and I really You know, I hope this episode really helps people into leaning into that or like really owning who they actually are, you know, rather than hiding in the corner and being like, Well, I have these thoughts, but I’m not going to talk about it.

Brandon Handley 2:13

Now. That’s awesome. So I definitely want to get into that. But before we, before we get into that, let’s, let’s dig into, you know, who the spiritual market as is and kind of where you are in life, what you kind of what you offer out there. Let’s dig into that a little bit. So if somebody never met you, and you could say more than five words, because we have social media, what would you be saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 2:39

I would say that my content is like a blend of comedy and spirituality. And it’s really helpful for people to move in and move into their space as messengers and speak that authentic message that converts into paying clients. But in a way that’s enjoyable. I think a lot people focus on clients. But then they get the clients and then they can’t be themselves around them. And then they’re like, oh, what am I doing? So like I really taken the blend of, do you feel good about your art? And are you profiting off of that art rather than doing business well, but feeling horrible because you’re not getting creative, or doing art, but not creating that into business because it’s not translatable into business. And I think it gets to be a both slash and conversation.

Brandon Handley 3:32

Now, I love it, right? So you’re helping people who are in one of those spaces already, right and to, for the person who’s solely like focused on business and coaching and getting clients. You’re like, hey, loosen up a little bit. This should be This should be fun for you, and that should shine through somewhere. Otherwise you look very clinical. Right? And you’re probably not having fun yourself. And I can tell it looks like you’re not having fun yourself because you looked pent up whenever I see you, right? Yeah. And then you’ve got the artists person who’s like, who’s like, I’m not worried about money and I don’t care and like, you know, there’s just like there’s like, but in the end, like if you just make help that artists person who’s who is very creative to just get over that chasm or whatever, just a little bit of like, hey, it’s okay to take money for what you do. Right? And it’s okay to profit from what you love to do. And, and and kind of merge it right. So you kind of merging those two, is that what I’m hearing you say?

Brandon Marshall Havener 4:33

Oh, yeah, absolutely. And that kind of brings me back before I even considered myself a business owner. I was doing hip hop music and I was having people come into my parents basement to record and I was so afraid of charging people I was like, you know, they’re my friends or like, you know, or I wouldn’t be too pressured about charging so I would find myself, you know, working on this art and I I really think it takes away You know, your love for the art when you’re not owning your value and charging for it because then all of a sudden you find yourself doing a bunch of stuff for people for free. And, you know, you may hear the similar thing from a lot of people where it’s like, just give me your art and I’ll give you exposure that occur. And that just it really eats away at your soul and sort and you may even fall into the trap of feeling like you don’t really love your art when really it’s just the boundaries that was failed to me place there.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:35

Sure, sure. Um, yeah, tell me a little bit more about like, what you mean by by the boundaries being failed to play, sir.

Brandon Marshall Havener 5:42

Yeah, so it’s like, you know, like, someone might come up to you and say, Hey, you know, do this graphic for me because exposure, you know, I’ll give you exposure and return and then you’re like, doing hours of work for somebody because it’s like, you know what they care about me they’re given the exposure or other opinion You sort of like, just got a boss for your art. And then you’re like, wait a minute, I’m not getting paid for this. I’m not doing exactly what I want to do. And I think that’s really something that people fall into. It’s like not, and it starts from like, really not valuing the art. Right? You tivity because it’s so easy for us,

Brandon Handley 6:20

right? Yeah, no. 100% right. So I mean, that I think that speaks to, like, the language that you speak, right? Like you speak your own type of language. And it’s so easy for you just like this art that you couldn’t possibly understand how, how somebody else finds value and what comes so easily you? Yep. Right. So yeah, that’s, I mean, that’s great. And you know, to understand the value that you bring to someone, and if you’ve never charged somebody for it before, you don’t know it can be an uncomfortable situation, because then somebody’s like, well, you’re just really greedy. Why don’t you you know, just give it to me. Yeah. If you’re so speaking, you know, in terms of, you’re so spiritual like, shouldn’t be, shouldn’t the energy just come to you when you need the things that you need? Right? So, I think that’s a challenge too, especially in this this, uh, you know, spiritual coaching or spiritual space. And I’ve seen I’ve seen that be said, and I was like, well, this is just an energy exchange. Give me a fucking money.

Brandon Marshall Havener 7:14

Yeah, right. I want to get paid. I mean, money was created to make things simple. So we’re not trading like fucking potatoes or apples, right? Like we were put into like, you know, obviously people have their own opinions about the system and all things but the brilliant thing about the system of money is we don’t have to do all this guesswork of what is you know what things are valued at what So, really, I tried to stay away from the barter stuff because of that because it can complicate things and it’s not to say bartering is evil or wrong or anything like that. But I just feel it’s easier. Even if we are doing some sort of trade. It’s like wait, you know, I Have an established price for the service I do but then I’ll sell you this and then I’ll buy that for even if you know like you do miss like buying from each other rather than doing a trade because then the the boundaries can get kind of murky and then you you can leave that relationship with resentment because no one was really keeping tabs on what parts of value is being exchanged not 100% right when you’re using money there’s there’s a predetermined set right? This is $1 that’s $1 you know, versus you know, give me that Apple for that orange type thing that’s just it never it never really works out and there’s always I think on one and a level of discomfort right like yeah you know still waiting on my oranges and you know the other person like they’re not in season yet bro right? So I mean that type of thing. So, so I love I love that you know you’re doing it from the side but you know what, I don’t know. What I don’t know is like, you know, how do you go from like hip hop in the basement to the military to you Being in this spiritual space. Wow, this is though, that it I was all I always saw myself as like a creative artist and hip hop at one point that was like, I would say, like right now, you know, writing content is sort of the same thing. You know, it’s like it’s putting art together and putting it out there. But what I found is in my, I was gonna say late 19th, but 19th isn’t a thing. But like, when I was 19 or so I started getting into personal development, spirituality and business. So I was dabbling in different things. And, you know, in fact, there’s some more stuff in there. I probably did so much stuff in my early 20s, but didn’t master everything out of it. But I did real estate investing and, you know, I, I did internet marketing, like I started an email list and start leasing hip hop beats, so I was just experimenting with a lot of stuff. And you know, I guess that’s good for a young person because you get to see what you like and what you don’t like. Then I realized that for I had that realization, I probably read it in a book somewhere. But I had the realization that my mind was all over the place like I wanted to go from real estate to selling hip hop beats, internet marketing, and all this crazy stuff. And then I joined the military, not as a way of like, let me get free college or anything like that, or it wasn’t even about the money because the money was actually quite horrible. But I knew that it would help me be disciplined into like, following something through to completion. In fact, I remember, like one of my mom’s friends was she she shared with me that he was telling her that he didn’t believe I was going to go through basic training. So like, that was a big thing for me to go through that grueling activity, even if it was painful and then completing completing it anyway. And I think that’s what a lot of creatives need because You know, when you’re a startup or you’re like, you get so inspired by a new idea. A trap could be when things get tougher or you know, you meet that resistance is to convince yourself, Well, this isn’t aligned anymore. So I’m gonna move on to a new craft and then a new craft, but then you master nothing. So I think the the big thing about military is it taught me to stick through something even when the resistance started getting high or got inconvenient.

Brandon Handley 11:29

I’m excited. That makes sense. Makes a lot of sense. I think it’s really interesting, too, that you got involved. I mean, how did you listen when I was 19? Um, you know, the furthest thing from my mind was like, personal development and or real estate investing or any of that stuff. You know, I was, I was partying real hard. So I mean, I think that that even indicates You know, this this what, how’d you how’d you get into it at that young age?

Brandon Marshall Havener 11:58

Yeah, I I was online I got out of like a horrible breakup. And I was the first question is how do I get my ex back? So I was looking that up and then I ended up on some guy’s email list and it just fell I fell into this rabbit hole of personal development because it’s like, he was selling me getting my ex back. But it was really uh, you know, how do you improve your, you know, body language and how you carry yourself and how do you interact with relationships? So, you know, I started becoming a new person and learning all this new stuff. And then I asked myself like, well, if I can learn this, isn’t there a way to learn how to like make a ton of money rather than going to college because this community college stuff isn’t working for me. So yeah, it was it was pretty much like one rabbit hole led to the other and that led to spirituality. I think I first heard about Wayne Dyer from dating program. I don’t know if you ever heard of pagane but he had an alias David DeAngelo. And he would talk about how to attract women. But this one program I got from him was like talking about Wayne Dyer. So all of a sudden, I’m listening to Wayne Dyer in my early 20s. So

Brandon Handley 13:15

Wow, that’s awesome. That’s awesome. So, who knows? I think like, how do I get my ex back is like the number one. Google search, right? Yeah, I think it’s like ranks up top there. But who knows? Who knew that that would kind of lead to, you know, kind of spiritual and personal development. I love I love how you kind of took on that challenge. You you you cited that kind of like a personal challenge for yourself. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 13:38

Yeah. Come on. I mean, even yoga that was promoted to me as Hey, there’s a lot of women that do yoga and there’s not a lot of men that do yoga.

Brandon Handley 13:47

do yoga. in your favor, right? Yeah, I generally favor and I think that um, you know, it’s kind of funny you bring up Wayne Dyer is actually just putting a piece together based off of Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and You know, Cain dire dire like worked under him right on if he knew that like he as low like he ran into math low I forget one of his stories right and that’s kind of how he went into this space I feel right like I don’t have the full story but I do know that Maslow’s hierarchy of needs is a little bit more I think intended and came from like a Dyer space like Wayne Dyer space then you know how we we use it we leverage it right now for like marketing for for everything right like I you know, just like college and all these other things. But I think that you know, big part a big part of that and and even when I got out of dire is is like you know that self actualization piece right at the top of that top of that pyramid. And it’s funny because you’re talking about the you know, your base level needs right? Like I need, you know, I need my girlfriend back I need all these other things back and until like you fix all those pieces. The rest of it doesn’t matter. Like these are the things that I need my life right and until I get that then then Then we’re not talking. Right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:02

Yeah, a lot of people are, you know, brought to a certain level of pain and then they’re like, they just fall into spirituality somehow.

Brandon Handley 15:11

Well, yeah, I mean that that could be right. That could be I’m always on the other end of that, to be honest with you, I you know, how I kind of came into it was not painful for me, right. Like, you know, I kind of fell into it, right, like a fucking swan song or whatever, you know, like, oh, whatever, you know, but but which is why I’m always like, you know, you don’t have to you don’t have to go through like, you know, tremendous pain to like, have a better life. Right? Yeah,

Brandon Marshall Havener 15:38

I want that. I’m gonna Place Order now. My next life. I wanted to be a little more smooth.

Brandon Handley 15:44

Yeah, I mean, listen, don’t get me wrong, like you. Maybe you got into it earlier. And it was rougher. It came from me, like later in life is like, Well, yeah, I’m gonna go ahead and take that. Take that experience. So I know you’ve gone over this in one of the recent podcasts. I love To so you know if you’re working with somebody and it’s brand new to them getting into this internet marketing space I you know what she calls it just internet marketing anymore or is it marketing in general social media marketing anyways? What would you do if you were starting today?

Brandon Marshall Havener 16:17

Oh man. So what did I say on that podcast? Yeah, so like if I started today I would well first I think like the main thing is speaking a consistent message like that’s your first line of defense because you want people coming to your profile and having a reaction of fuck Yes, sir. Fuck no. Got your page in there either leaving right away or fully attracted and loving yourself like it’s a breath of fresh air. So I would start with like, talking all the crazy stuff that you wanted to talk about and not even worry if one person likes it or not. In fact, I sort of recently got into that on Twitter, because Twitter’s a new battle. Feeling for me. So I’m just like posting my craziest thoughts on Twitter and seeing if like someone comes on there and picks it up. And then the other thing is being proactive. I would really look into who speaks a message or who is an expander for you. And this is something that Lacey Phillips talks about she, she labels them expander so I’m sure she owns that word or something. But expanders are basically people in doing something that you are a want to be doing in a way that you want to be doing it and have like a similar story or you know, a similar vibe. So, I’d say for me, like one of those people would be JP Sears like he’s doing a good job of mixing comedy and spy.

Brandon Handley 17:46

Yeah, you know, yeah. Okay, I see that for you.

Brandon Marshall Havener 17:50

Yeah, so So with that, not only are you finding communities with like minded people that you can start adding into your social media. You also have an incentive. Have somebody who’s already doing what you want to do. And it’s like you building a community with some people who also love JP Sears and a few other people that you admire, like that’s just one of the most brilliant ways because you’re producing something that is on the same value level and like the energy level, but also like a similar topic that works with them, but you’re also bringing your own flavor into it. So it’s just like a good it’s a good strategy of knowing who’s going to be more receptive to your work. And this isn’t perfect, like if you’re just starting out you you’re going to evolve you’re going to change and you’re going to learn new things, but it’s realizing that market research a big part of market research is actually starting the conversation and rather what whether it’s perfect or not, like just having that imperfect conversation and and letting it be more of a test rather than taking it personal. And then I would say the method there is Like, what I was taught was like a three by three by three method. So like, find three people communicate with three different communities. So like, whether it’s through people’s statuses or their Facebook groups or whatever it may be, and just have fun conversations like, like you’re going to a party, you know, you’re not selling hard or anything like that. You’re just, you know, having fun and communicating with people online. And then add three of those people today and and engage on three posts of theirs that you you resonate with. I think I put a lot of threes in that, but

Brandon Handley 19:38

that’s good enough that I mean, it’s really good, right? But I mean, I think that um, and I can go I can go back to when I first started, right, it was a spam friend, everybody, try and get them all in your group and then sell them on your stuff, right? Yeah. So there’s a lot of missing nuances in that strategy.

Brandon Marshall Havener 19:57

I was taught to comment and like and message them right away. Right? I disagree with that. Now I agree with like, having conversations in their comments section. By the way, a big thing is that you actually resonate with the status rather than pretending like Yeah, great. I liked your dog. Right? And you actually hate dogs. But um, for sure, but like, you know, I just, you know, comment and engage with people with no attachment of if they’re gonna join my group or buy my stuff. Like, right there, I started the conversation and then you know, they’re coming up on my profile and having a conversation. It’s more of a it’s more of like a gradual build. You want it to feel as natural as possible rather than forced or like forcing yourself to introduce yourself for sure because the relationship will grow like there’s one person that I found and I thought his video was absolutely I thought his content and his video was absolutely amazing. And you know, he His he lives in DC. So that’s cool. And I thought like, hey, that could be a future friend actually. But then two days ago see I’m I’m talking about like a budding bromance now. Two days ago, He’s, uh, you know, he’s spouting off on his livestream that I win the best content of the, you know, month award. So like, right there, you’re building a relationship. And the same thing goes with attracting clients. And that’s exactly how my relationship started to. She found me in a Facebook group and fell in love with my content. I fell in love with her content. And then we went on a first date, and we did a live stream together. So awesome. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. It’s great for building amazing relationships

Brandon Handley 21:45

now. Yeah. So I love it. Right, because again, it’s the whole spam Enos aspect of it, right. And I think Yeah, those days are gone, which is actually kind of nice, right? But you brought up the bromance part. I just want I just remembered like I met a guy, you know, when I was in North Carolina and we got together we had some lunch and stuff. He goes out What are you looking for? I was like, I’m looking for a lifelong friendship and I think you like right there. He like kind of just cut it off. Right? But But also, you kind of talk what I’m hearing you say too, is it’s a little bit like a mush. Are you a story brand? person? Have you? Are you familiar with like, you know, you date date date, you asked for marriage? Somebody says, No, you date you date some more? Yes. for marriage. You know what I mean? So you continue on that relationship. And every once in a while, I mean, you go to sell them, right, like, all right, every once in a while, I was like, here’s the line. Are we are we are we together forever now? Okay, let’s take some more. You know, is that what you’re saying?

Brandon Marshall Havener 22:41

Yeah, something like that. Like, you know, like I see. I see like my Facebook community or my Instagram community, I guess, you know, people that can interact with and are like minded and who would enjoy my content, and often I enjoy their content. And then I’m open about my programs. So more like attraction marketing, where it’s like, I’m gonna put my stuff out there every day. I know, in the internet marketing rules, I think some people say I only mentioned a program one out of every 20 times, right? I kind of blow those rules out of the water. And every day I’m promoting, you know, a new program that’s, you know, that I’m doing. And I think one piece of resistance that people will think about that is, is that being too salesy, or you know, are you selling too much, and it’s shifting the mentality. One part of my mentality is if people can walk away with this content for free and benefit off of it, but then I have no problem with putting a call to action at the end of it, and telling people how they can reach the next level. And then another part of the mentality is that I’m inviting them rather than hard selling them, and it’s going to be a win win situation for them because they’re exchanging money and they’re getting an awesome service work.

Brandon Handley 23:58

Yeah, I mean, Well, listen, I don’t know how How many programs you’ve actually consumed yourself that have been free and you’re like, you know what, this one was free. I don’t care. Yeah versus versus I paid $500 for this, I’m gonna finish this shit. Huh?

Brandon Marshall Havener 24:12

Right and energetic spiritual sense. A lot of times my clients will join a program didn’t read one piece of content and then money drops in for them or same thing happens on the other end of things like money will drop in for me when I make an online investment. I think even most recently my girlfriend hired a new coach. I think it was like a 2500 package and less than 24 hours she received 2000 like just insane thing. Yeah, it’s pretty great for itself.

Brandon Handley 24:44

Yeah, and that’s pretty crazy. Kind of like once you release it, it comes right back, right. Yeah, I you know, I’ve been a big fan of recently More more recently than not is like, you know, if I if I send this money out, I’m expecting to come back with his friends. Yeah, right. And like, you know, so But that but that can be a challenge. Now, let’s talk about that a little bit too is like, you invested in yourself, like very heavily at one point. And it sounds like at one point maybe meant like too much.

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:11

But yeah,

Brandon Handley 25:12

what would you say the return of your investments have been? And was it too much?

Brandon Marshall Havener 25:17

Well, right now, it wasn’t too much. But if you if you go into the mentality of, you know, I making this investment and I need the money back tomorrow, or you’re putting yourself on an island in survival mode, that’s when it becomes detrimental. But I would even say like, the big investments I made back in 2015 is still paying dividends in my business, my relationship and all the things because it’s like, I wouldn’t be in the relationship I’m in now if I didn’t have the tools or I didn’t go to those retreats. I just want to be as awakened. I, you know, we wouldn’t be talking about the things we talk I wouldn’t be on this podcast. But where I went wrong is I played this peer pressure game of saying yes to every single thing. I was kind of like in circles of where there’s these hardcore sales bros and stuff like that, where, you know, there’s kind of like this masculine ego of saying no to investing in yourself. So I was constantly saying yes to things even and getting to a point where I was abandoning my own financial values. And there’s also a lot of lingo in the coaching industry, where it’s like, if you don’t invest in yourself, or if you don’t have a one on, you know, one on one coach or mastermind or whatever, how can you be selling coaching so I was always putting that pressure on myself to like, really amplify things to the top level and sort of like, take ridiculous leaps that that put me into situations that I shouldn’t have been in and how I would change that. is just to take it slower, you know, I would have made some of the same investments. But I wouldn’t have I wouldn’t have abandoned myself, I would have said no to a lot more things than I then. I did back then.

Brandon Handley 27:14

Sure, sure. But I mean, you know, in the end, though,

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:18

you’re here now, right? You kind of meet

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:20

Mike. Like, I can look back and say I would have changed it, but I also think I don’t, you know, I don’t regret it. And maybe I want to so it’s a weird catch. 22 right there,

Brandon Handley 27:32

not for sure. Sure. I love to that you you’d mentioned that, uh, you know, you got almost as much value out of some of the lower cost products as you did from some of the higher cost products. I’m curious myself, like, what were some of the ones in the lower end? And you know, and the top end that really brought and changed

Brandon Marshall Havener 27:51

the way Yeah, I would say one big thing was actually when it was like I couldn’t do you know, I couldn’t do any high end stuff anymore. Like I’ve been I went to the brim of what I could do my capacity there and then I think it was like a it might have been a $500 course back in 2016 and it was a manifestation course and what are not only did I learn more about journaling and manifestation I also realize what I was doing with my marketing that wasn’t aligned for me so at that time I stopped booking my my days with sales calls all the time where I was stopped hiding my prices, and not saying any of that stuff is bad. A lot of people succeed with that stuff. But it wasn’t working for me like it just wasn’t. And I noticed that I was thriving more when I was more transparent about my prices, I was more open and I was using my content to pull people in. Rather than thinking I had to book a bunch of calls with people or falling even falling into the mentality that the only way out could transform lives was high ticket like, I was meant to do a lot of low ticket because and I think one big indicator is if you’re an artist or a content creator that loves content, you’re probably designed to do a lot of low ticket stuff, not just low ticket stuff, but you know, you probably are designed and you may hear a message from a lot of high ticket coaches, that high ticket is on the way cuz that’s a way that they’re selling. So that’s a big one that I learned and then later on, you know, I was going through, you know, some previous relationship turmoil with an ex, back back full circle to what started personal development, right. But I remember joining a program for like, $300 and the day a day or two after, you know, the relationship broke apart and it was it was meant to happen, but it was painful, right. And I you know, I just liked it. Myself heeling in ways that, you know, I didn’t realize I needed to do, I was like holding on to an old relationship. And it just like broke that wide open the moment I joined the program, and I wouldn’t be here today, if I didn’t go through that work.

Brandon Handley 30:16

Now. That’s great. That’s great. And, you know, I think that I’ve also heard you say, you leverage this kind of like the compound effect to it’s these small investments and even some of the big ones that, you know, even if you expect that result to happen today, like you said, right, like, come from a place of scarcity, like listen, I just dropped like 20 k this year, and I’m gonna meet all that back right now. Right? And that can be scary to put yourself in that position. But over time that the dividends start adding up that one can kind of say,

Brandon Marshall Havener 30:45

Yeah, absolutely. And I think it’s crucial, you know, some coaches may not agree, you know, with this message or like, wait, you can’t tell people this. By it’s so crucial not to put yourself into survival mode. And saying this has that and put that on your heart, you know, and you you’re you’re making it a lot harder for you to be creative and in manifestation mode and open to receiving and all of that stuff. So, you know stretch you know, stretch your investments and increase your capacity you know, do some of the scary stuff but don’t do it in a place of wait if I make this investment I’m not going to pay rent for three, you know, is gonna This is like three months of rent. So I really consider that.

Brandon Handley 31:31

Not me. I think it’s an important message. Right? I I you know, I hate to bring up Tony Robbins, but I’ll bring up Tony Robbins. I still remember like, one of his messages and one of his earlier tapes is he’s talking to Al Gore. Right? And Al Gore said, I didn’t lose because of XYZ and Tony Robbins like no, you’ll get lost because you weren’t resourceful enough, right? And I think that if you open yourself up to what’s possible, and you’re not going at all this stuff from a scarcity mindset, right? As in like it’s urgent this has to happen. You might find like there’s a whole bunch of different ways to get what you need to get what you want. And I’ll say this because my first my first program I took I put it on a credit card and then like for some reason like I don’t know why I didn’t think to get like a small personal loan or something which is so easy to get right and wouldn’t had like to worry and panic about paying off the debt on the credit card as fast right? So, you know, for for anybody’s out there like, I mean, listen, there’s there’s programs from $50 to you know, 25 grand, depending on your, your tastes, right. But when you’re coming at it, don’t come at it from like, you have to have that money in your pocket today. You don’t have to put it on a credit card. There’s other ways to kind of get that money as well. So I’m just gonna leave it with that right? Just because,

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:47

yeah, it

Brandon Marshall Havener 32:48

doesn’t have to just be on your credit card. Right? That’s, that’s huge, because oftentimes, when we’re stuck in our head, and we only look at it through one narrow vision, we think that the things that we want to obtain is hard. But if you allow yourself to open up your mind and ask yourself, you know, maybe even journal it out and ask the question of like, what are all the ways that I can make this happen? Then you find multiple solutions and then you you get out of your head and you realize, wait, manifesting that thing is a lot easier than I thought it was, you know, something that I noticed with me was support like having cleaning, you know, cleaning service and all that stuff. I thought that was like, I was just conditioned at a young age thinking that that’s what only rich people do, or, you know, like you it was like, super expensive, but then you just like look at it, it’s like, oh, you know, $100 or so or this is you know, this percent of my income, whatever. That’s not that’s not bad. You know, right. I think we kind of look at support as some a lot of times you look at support as something that’s unreachable when it for many people is probably reachable now and will open up a lot.

Brandon Handley 33:56

I was looking at it as if you can go spend like 60 bucks for a case study. 120 bucks at a night at the bar, like maybe if you don’t do that spend that money at the bar, you might be able to spend that like on getting a house cleaner and having these other things or, you know, maybe saving up for some of these courses or someplace that might have a benefit. Right? And look, man, if you’re going to the bar and hanging out there, I don’t care you do you right? Nothing wrong with that, because Lord knows I spent a lot of money in the bars myself. Right. So well, you

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:27

can’t be doing that

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:28

now. No, no, I mean, look, I mean,

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:31

time, hey,

Brandon Handley 34:32

it’s a bad idea. It’s a bad idea. But be it’s just like, you know, when you really look at it, like you probably do have the resources to do some of these things. You just been using those resources in other areas, right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:46

Yeah. And sometimes we kind of look at that through our old conditioning and patterns that probably our parents told us or the people that were raising us told us and we got to like take a step back and be like, wait, what’s really possible?

Brandon Marshall Havener 34:59

Right? Yeah, well Hey look at me

Brandon Handley 35:00

so I love I love so spirituality right

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:04

I don’t know what your kind of your approaches

Brandon Handley 35:06

but with you know your spiritual self what is impossible what’s impossible yeah with with with spirituality is there anything that’s not possible

Brandon Marshall Havener 35:18

I guess there’s nothing really impossible you know it probably probably be tough to walk on water but shit maybe there’s a way the

Brandon Handley 35:27

right shoes will do it man the right shoes though but i mean you know so because and the reason I kind of bring this up because a man says you rise to your level of thinking right so if you’re thinking of yourself as a human being you kind of think of yourself as just what you see here right and and all these other things and if you can think of yourself as a spiritual being, you know well then then automatically like I’m no longer Am I confined to just like my tangibles, right. The things I can see, hear, touch and smell the immediate senses. So I was just curious kind of what your take is on that. the mindset of spirituality.

Brandon Marshall Havener 36:01

Yeah, I just think quantum physics is so interesting because it’s like the idea that this computer’s not solid, or I’m not like, I don’t have my arms on the table right now. It’s all just like a projection from our mind. Yeah, I think like, there’s so much that’s possible. I think we’re kind of like in these constraints in the human experience, in a way, but I think it’s all it’s all by belief. Now, I don’t know if you know, I can’t tell everyone listening to this are going to walk through a door, something like that. Right. Right. I mean, closed door, but yeah, I think there’s, I think there’s like just a lot that we don’t know. Yeah, there’s a lot available to us that we have no idea and we’re sort of like on the tip of the iceberg of what we know or what we’re actually seeing. Or, you know, like, it’s like, you know, just by human vision, there’s probably a lot more around me right now that I don’t see.

Brandon Handley 36:59

I mean, they say you you’d only see like 99 or like, you know, 99.9% of like the light spectrum, you cannot see. So it’s like, I mean, there’s, you know, what am I missing? Right? What am I? What am I not seeing? Not as curious kind of on your take there. Right? And, you know, it’s funny that you bring up those, like, you know, what we know today what we think we know today, right? It is like just barely part of it. I mean, I was literally just reading an article that, oh, today they figured out sperm doesn’t swim the same way that they’ve always thought that it swam. So it’s like, it’s like, what how do we even get here but but even on top of that, right? Do you you know, do you Brandon know how your hair grows but you’re doing it right? Do you know how like your you know, your white blood cells inside of your own body that are closest thing to you that can be close to you? Do you know how that happens? But it’s fucking happening.

Brandon Marshall Havener 37:52

And that’s the thing you know, the main thing I think about is like wealth. You know, when people look at money, we try to I think our ego really tries to figure out like, how am I going to manifest this thing? Or how am I going to do it? And it’s kind of taking a step back and having that same thought process of our hair growing. It’s like, what if I just allowed it to happen? What if I just got out of the way and let it happen?

Brandon Handley 38:17

Yeah, that’s the whole Jesus take the wheel thing, right? Or, you know, let go and let God right. And this is like, but it’s terrifying to think in that way. I don’t know if you’ve read the Michael singer surrender experiment book. No, I haven’t read that one. But I mean, it talks exactly the same thing, though. Like, at some point. He’s like, God, just kind of I just kind of let go and let the let the universe take care of me ended up like a billion dollar company. I was like, Okay. I don’t know how you just fall into that shit. But, you know, I’m sure there had to be some involvement with it. But you know, so that’s what he said though. He said he felt like he just kind of opened up and let the things just kind of carry on through so and it should be as easy right? share this with you too I got this um I ordered a you know one of those mixed up incense packs right because well should be just as easy as as breathing right I’m not sure if you had anybody ever say why should this be just like breathing for you like what it’s not so put it hasn’t been up to this point so I got this I this is not an ad this is a this is it says money matrix it’s um you know incense so if I’m burning money matrix and money incense to it is just as easy so I get myself kind of conditioned to breathing in money so anyways,

Brandon Marshall Havener 39:37

I would have been a perfect dad though you might have to get an affiliate link,

Brandon Handley 39:40

if I can find one. So so the investing itself would cover kind of the compound effect. These are all things that have jotted down for you. I’ve heard you you know, I’d love to hear some more of your influences. I heard you mentioned kind of Hicks mentioned Dyer. I’m assuming you know you you’ve read the compound effect. The book what are some other like kind of influences and spaces? That a tune in today that are helping you on your way?

Brandon Marshall Havener 40:11

Yeah, so one of my one of my mentors and you know, I’ve gone through so many of our programs is Katrina Ruth. And I really like her because she has like the rebel, the mixture of like the rebel hustle vibe, but also the deep spiritual vibe and like when I found her like, that was a, you know, some of the programs that I did that were, you know, mid ticket and stuff that I was talking about. When I found her like, I was kind of like in the mixture of the spirituality and the hustle balance. So she really helped me break some of the rules and really become, you know, step into who I am today. That was really powerful. I really love some of Matt Kahn’s work like even just going on YouTube. And he has a book whatever arises love that or everything that arises love that something along the lines of that right and let’s see what book Am I reading right now? So this is a mixture of stuff because I go for Matt calm that’s like talking about love what arises and right now I’m reading Jocko willick Hi Yeah, I’ve been Navy dude yeah and like leadership strategies so I’m kind of diving into more masculine work as well. Ryan Metzler he has an awesome podcast order of man Andy for so real AF podcast so like is you know a mixture of that masculine energy and you know spiritual energy and I like to you know, I kind of like taking on like all that stuff.

Brandon Handley 41:47

Yeah. I love that I Ryan I interviewed on like a on my father had podcast years ago so they put me in touch with him. So, you know, it’s pretty cool. Definitely, you know, definitely intense right and kind of how it does Same but you know that that’s him, right? That’s t he is unabashedly himself. Oh, at least two he believes he is today. Right. And that’s, I love that. And, you know, I want to talk about that too is kind of how you talked about, you know, doing the things that you felt like you had to do, right, like, you know, the doing, doing the different types of methodologies and reaching out but then kind of winding it back so that you become yourself again. Yep. Yeah, talk about that a little bit so people can understand it. Understand it So, sure.

Brandon Marshall Havener 42:33

Yeah, I think it’s like kind of similar to the concept we were talking about when you only find one solution with the credit card but on a personal loan, and it’s like the same thing you may hear like a bunch of coaches and people that you’re following saying, this is how you do it, your sales call, do it this way. And then you’re convincing yourself like okay, what it must mean I’m unproductive if I’m not reaching out to people every single day or whatever, right? Matter of fact, I was in the trap of thinking that content was actually just fun for me. And reaching out to people was a real work. So if I did content that day, but I didn’t reach out to someone, I didn’t do enough work. So it’s just realizing and I think it’s seeking out and being curious about, if this doesn’t feel fully right of how I’m doing it and how I’m doing the business rules, what are some things that I get to do that would feel more expansive for me? So, you know, there’s so many different methods and strategies to build business, your business or personal development in general, really, but it’s really about finding that one align strategy that works with you like clockwork, and if you’re meeting a lot of resistance behind it alignment to that it’s something that should first be questioned.

Brandon Handley 43:54

The alignment should be

Brandon Marshall Havener 43:55

Yeah, sure

Brandon Handley 43:56

that that’s happening. Um, I like I think, I think you also talks about a little bit of perseverance. So to write, like, you know not to just stop, like, you know, if, if you’re aligned, and you’re like, Hey, I’m totally aligned, and then like, something kind of pops up in a way like, ah, I gotta go the other way and do something else. I mean, kind of getting past like, I don’t know if you’re a fan or if you’ve ever read Ryan holidays, the obstacles the way. But you know, that obstacle, that thing that gets thrown up in front of your alignment may be the thing that you need thrown up in your way so that you can expand and get beyond it to the rest of your alignment, which is on the other side of that shit.

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:35

Yeah, like be able to ask questions of what else can I try? What else can I do? What would what would work here? Rather than just hiding in the corner and being like, God doesn’t work? This sucks. Nothing works. Right? Well ask questions.

Brandon Handley 44:48

Yeah. What are some questions you like when something’s not working?

Brandon Marshall Havener 44:52

One thing I’d like just I wonder what else I get to try. You know, I wonder I wonder what else would work I wonder what would Feel expansive for me to do today? You know, and journaling it out when you get it out of your head, it really helps. And that’s something that I learned. I don’t know if you you’ve read gay Hendricks a big leap.

Brandon Handley 45:13

Not got it though. Sitting on my bookshelf

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:16

that is one of the most important books, okay.

Brandon Marshall Havener 45:20

It’s the upper limit problem. And he talks about like, drift, you know, there’s so many ways that we drift, like if we get distracted scrolling our newsfeed or binge eating or whatever it may be. But there’s only a few shift moves to get us into alignment and power again, and one of the major ones is curiosity. And so it’s like getting curious when you’re hitting an obstacle. That helps shift you back into alignment. Rather, I think one of people’s go to people’s go to response if they hit a hidden objective is to be like, Okay, let me distract myself with something. Let me go on the news. Let me either thing or whatever it may be. So I’m just asking that question and journaling it out and truly help.

Brandon Handley 46:06

Now I think that’s super beneficial. definitely helpful for anybody, you know, when you when you hit that obstacle, stop, pause and be like, how else can I process right? Like, this isn’t? This isn’t in my way again, this isn’t in my way, this is the way what you know, or, you know, I like the, the story of like, diamonds in my backyard, right? Like, the whole diamonds in the backyard stories, like, you know, you travel all over the world, look over the thing that you’ve got right there in front of you, right? So, you know, take that opportunity to step back and don’t get pensive, right, like, you know, you take that gasp and like you feel like you’ve got to figure it out right now. No, you don’t. You don’t have to figure it out right now. Take a breath. And how else can you approach it like Brandon saying,

Brandon Marshall Havener 46:46

I co facilitated event with a mentor of mine while back and I remember an exercise that we did that was really helpful in a physical sense, where, you know, you pair two people together and the dots go away. To get past that person that other person’s post a block you, right, I let you get past them. Yeah. And basically what we learned from that is if you try to use force, you’re not going to get past that person or, you know, unless you know, you’ve really got violent but that was part of the exercise right? By the solution ended up being is like if you could make them laugh or you did some goofy stuff or something like that, then you could find your way around them. And that’s sort of like every problem in life. It’s like when you when you can pattern interrupt or have fun within rather than being tense and strict and or even add breaths to the situation. The obstacle starts to dissolve.

Brandon Handley 47:41

Love it, love it. I think one of the other things I’ve heard too is is that laughter which is what you bring, right? You bring some good humor and some fun, that helps people. Remember things and I’m not sure what you found in terms of how laughter can be beneficial. What have you. What have you found

Brandon Marshall Havener 48:00

Yeah, so so with laughter, there’s a few things but like with laughter It’s really, it really lowers people’s resistance and allows people to receive stuff. So instead of being all tense or combative with people, you know, you can really get a message across. If you can have somebody laughing. They may might not even agree with the opinion, but now they’re laughing. And they’re actually considering it. But I think the first thing I started about laughter and I think it was like Marilyn Monroe saying, Do you know if you could get a girl to laugh, you can date or write it or do anything or something like that. And dating was my first thing that I was working on. So I was like, hey, if I can learn to be funny, then you know, I can be attractive to women. So like, but the same thing goes with clients and people in general. Like if you can get them to laugh, they’ll want to be around you.

Brandon Handley 48:50

For sure. For sure. I’d much rather hang out with somebody who’s making me laugh and making me cry or too serious, right? So very cool, man. So I want to talk about what you’ve got running out. out there right now your current offering, which is the sole troll, Tell me Tell us a little bit about what’s happened with the soul troll.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:05

Yeah, that’s a perfect follow up for laughter So soul troll is really being able to I notice no one’s having fun on the internet like, I mean, some people are having fun but like a lot of people aren’t having fun on the internet. We’re having

Brandon Handley 49:17

fun with them. They’re getting fucking cup of it. Yeah.

Brandon Marshall Havener 49:20

Like he’s hypersensitive times and all that stuff. So I really want to bring that back where people can tell the truth, make people laugh, have a good time and speak the message that they really wanted to in the first place. So, you know, I think down more than ever, is it’s important to speak the truth, even if it’s uncomfortable. So doing that in a fun way. And somebody actually messaged me about soul troll the other day and she was asking me, like, about a situation where a woman was upset about something she posted that might have been offensive and she was walking on eggshells. So like something else that I’m bringing with soul troll is going deep. into when are you actually responsible for offending someone and hurting somebody? And when is it somebody projecting on to you? So it’s like, being able to balance being fully expressed without feeling like you’re harming or being an asshole in the process.

Brandon Handley 50:17

That’s fair. I mean, look, I mean, I think I think a lot I think that’s a huge benefit, right? So we don’t want to run around and be a bunch of, you know, bag of dicks, right? That’s, that’s not not most people. That’s not their intent. Right. Want to go out there? Give some value and have some fun, right without hurting someone. Right, you know, you know, too bad anyways, right? Yeah. Don’t want to rough them up too bad. But have some fun. It sounds to me like you’re building some resilience is Isn’t that right?

Brandon Marshall Havener 50:46

Oh, yeah, absolutely. You know, it’s like the more and more that you put yourself out there then you realize it’s all fun like for me. I know like canceling people is the thing and stuff but like for me if someone a group of people got mad at me, I have fun. Little bit. I actually wanted in some way but that since I desired so much, I think I’d pushed that away. I don’t think people want to cancel me anymore. So I don’t

Brandon Handley 51:11

know man. So really I had a lot of fun here guys. I think there’s a anybody’s listening to this. I think there’s a lot of value in Brandon and what you’ve brought here today. And thanks for sharing. I you know what I did want to touch on this last piece right was it’s like, I don’t think we’ve touched on it in the podcast, which is like coming from a place of spirituality, and how scary that was for you and what, how did it open up for you after you started leading with spirituality?

Brandon Marshall Havener 51:38

I think it was scary for me in many ways because, you know, wondering if a family was going to think I was crazy or friends and peers. So that was it was something that I had to lean into and and deal with the judgment or I think one big thing is having a stable job, like so is mixed with entrepreneurship. And I remember my dad was kind of pushed trying to push me into being a like an electrician or something which is fairly out of the rubble what I would do good. So I think a big thing that I had to do was stand up to that even saying, like, No, I just want to do this coaching thing and maybe have them feel like I’m a weirdo or I’m out of my mind for a minute by like detaching myself from my parents expectations or my family expectations and go in my own way, even when people don’t believe in it.

Brandon Handley 52:29

Yeah, that’s, that must have been tough, too. Right? attaching from that feeling. So I think that’s super important for people to hear and understand. It’s like, you know, kind of go your own way right. Letting Go. And you said it earlier to was kind of be open to kind of everything but attached like nothing type of thing.

Brandon Marshall Havener 52:46

Yeah. Right. A big thing was having a job too. There was like shame and not having a job. When it was going full time into business. It was really helpful having a mastermind that like everyone was like, Hey, you know, actually yeah. You know, like, cuz like all my life people would be like wager quitting your job. Why? So that was really helpful as well.

Brandon Handley 53:07

That’s great. So where should people go to find you?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:13

You can find me I’ll say two things. Sorry I offended you podcasts. You can find it on iTunes, Spotify, Google, whatever else it’s on. It’s on like 50 like 50,000 platforms but uh or you could also go to spiritual smart ass, read calm and find my social media links and current programs and stuff like that.

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:35

Who’s your ideal client?

Brandon Marshall Havener 53:37

My ideal client is the artist that is the artist, the rebel. You know, the people that want to break the rules and the people who want to express a unique sense of art and maybe they didn’t feel like the rules made sense in business for them, but they want to put they want to apply that to business. They don’t want it to be a hobby. They want to be respected as a business owner. While also respecting their own creativity.

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:04

Awesome, man. Thanks for joining me

Brandon Marshall Havener 54:05

today. Absolutely. Thank you for having me.

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