Check out this conversation between cohost of Your Essential Nature, David Michael Reed and I have as we explore his spiritual journey with you today!

David Michael Reed (D.Mike) is the owner/host/CEO of the edutainment platform Game Of Unity LLC, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general, and a director for the non-profit organization The Briar Farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community.D.Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach. He quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature, having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short time frame.

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Brandon Handley 0:22
Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here and I am on today with David Michael Reed who likes to go by the mic. He’s the owner hosts the CEO of the edutainment platform, a game of unity, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general and a director for the nonprofit organization the Briar farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community. D Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach, he quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short timeframe. Although he studied biochemistry at the University of Oklahoma, his interests have taken him to study much more broad realm of knowledge. He utilizes his various interests, formal education and personal experiences to formulate his principles of unity. From here on out, I’m gonna direct you to check out his YouTube show, which he is a member of your essential nature, and you can find him on Game of It’s a mouthful D Mike, thanks for joining today. How you doing? I’m doing really great. Appreciate it. How you doing, Brian? Oh, man, I you know, look, I like I said earlier, it’s just another day in Whoville, but but I’ll tell you what I am. I’m going through a book that I go through it like once a year right now it’s called Are you ready to succeed? d maiken. And I’m at the very beginning of its 10 week kind of books, and you’re asking I’m just gonna go. But there’s one thing in here, man that you know, I saw it again today. Like I’ve got like all these highlights in here from years ago, because that’s part of the process of this book. The book asks you for a commitment like when you start right.

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Brandon Handley 2:00
And one of the lines in here man is that each day that you’re not radiantly alive and brimming with shear is a day wasted every time. Yeah, I read that line. I’m in fact it man. I’m like, I’m like holy shit. What am I you know, it’s just nosy in Whoville was it one where I was radiantly alive. And you know, so did I waste a day? I don’t know. So since you asked, yeah. That’s kind of where I’m at. So um, you know, I like to start these off with, we’re vessels for creative energy, universal energy, God, God, whatever you feel like you need to call it right source energy. And there’s somebody out there listen to this podcast today. Who does a message inside of you, right, that needs to you need to deliver through source to that person? What is that message?

D Mike 2:47
That’s a great question. And I appreciate that, you know, I really feel like my medicine, I was just speaking about this recently. And I really feel like my medicine, what my personal message, what I’ve come down here to do is to is to be a bridge. And I know that whenever I was coming up, I felt like I had a lot of skills, I felt like I had a lot of resources, but I still wasn’t connected to my power, I still wasn’t able to create how I wanted to. And you know, I always felt like I was being kind of tapped on the shoulder by spirituality of by by something greater than me that was trying to connect me to my power in my authenticity. And I was going to shut it away, just because I think it was mostly because I had a lot to do with the way that I was brought up and the environment and my peers, and maybe the demographic that I that I chose to come into in this incarnation. But I never wanted to connect to that power. I never allowed myself to step into that because of just certain stereotypes and certain ways that people told me that I needed to behave. So I got really good at wearing a bunch of masks and figuring out how to get love by being a certain thing to different people. And and by and by not tapping into my true potential and my true authentic nature. And so what I’ve been able to do in the last few years since I’ve been on the self discovery and inward journey is really very technically take a look at all of these masks and realize how I can step into my authenticity and therefore find my my truth and my power. And I think that being in the circumstance that I am, where I was moving from, as you talked about earlier in the intro, thank you for that, by the way, living in such radically different cultures in such a short amount of time, I’m able to see this main kind of thread that moves through all of us. If you’re in whenever I was in the streets of Compton or in you know, in a mansion and Johnson County in Kansas, there’s still that one thread that I feel like unites us all and I think that’s what I’m here to help do is to help us all to realize that unity and to realize our potential and our strength that’s in our authenticity in our unity whenever

Brandon Handley 4:46
we come together so you know I love I love you got a couple couple things in here too. So you know as you’re as you’re coming down here, you said to be a bridge on you. It kind of prompts the the idea of like where are you Come down here from right is one question I would have. And then another question I would have is like, you know, I love how you said you chose kind of this place to travel through. Right? Why don’t you talk a second about that, like, you know where it’s coming from? Yeah.

D Mike 5:15
Yeah. And that’s a that’s a phenomenal question. And I think this is one of the most important questions that we can really ask whenever we’re trying to find ourselves and to and to get on this path. And so the way that resonates with me the best, and the way that helps me to be the best person that I can, is to think about things in a way that first of all, we’re all here doing the best that we can, and that we all have a similar mission whenever we get together, and we realize our similar goals. And so the way of looking at things that is the best for me to be the best and most effective human that I can be, is to believe that this is a this is a chosen time with everything that’s going on right now. This is a chosen time for me to come down into this incarnation into this body at this time with the particular family and people that I have around me with the circumstances that are going on right now. Not only does it make the most sense that I chose this, because it makes sense with everything that’s going on right now a lot of people are freaked out. And I’m kind of like, yep, this is exactly where I’m supposed to be right now, because of all the circumstances because of the demographics that I’ve come down in. And so and so where I came from, and I mean, I think that we all come from source, I mean, that that’s really kind of what it is. And I think that that’s what I’m talking about that energy that’s moving through all of us, it’s really our true nature, your essential nature, that’s really it. I think that it’s, it’s the same for all of us, and we came down and we’re in, we’re wearing these suits, you know, we’re in a brand new suit, I’m wearing the D Mike suit. And we’re and we’re able to have these different experiences and and see each other in these nuanced ways, while still maintaining that the true self like our true self, and our true nature is really the same. So that’s why I’m saying that whatever I’m talking about where I came from, is just from, from our God, Goddess nature, that we are coming into these into these human forms to have a human experience. So you’re saying that to God, nature, your essential nature source,

Brandon Handley 7:20
that’s where you came from?

D Mike 7:21
Absolutely, absolutely. Awesome.

Brandon Handley 7:23
So the idea that you come from source i think is a little bit more approachable than godlike energy, right, even though, you know, it’s the same thing. Right? Why do you think that is? Like, what’s the hang up on God?

D Mike 7:37
That’s a fantastic question. And yes, I think that there is you said it exactly right. I think that there is there’s a hang up on God. And I know that for me, in particular, there’s a whole thought form about this word, that is God and what it means. And I think that it’s tied to a lot of our upbringings. I can say for me, myself, I was I’ve been brought up in the church, Southern Baptist, and there is a whole way of thinking about God and what that means. And it’s been my experience that within the within the church, at least in my upbringing, there’s been a lot of fear behind it. And it’s a whole lot of control issues, it’s a lot of things that are saying you need to behave this way you need to do this, or else the, um, the consequences are absolutely unthinkable. And I think that that kind of brings that’s kind of brought in through our thoughts of whenever we think about God. And so even though a lot like in my upbringing were made in the form of God, even but, but still, to maybe include yourself as God, I know that there’s a lot of fear behind that, and a lot of people’s upbringing and a lot of, and it’s it’s blasphemous. And like, I’m, like I was saying, it’s just the amount of fear because of the consequences are just so great that you don’t even we don’t even want to allow that kind of fuss and thinking to come in. So to be able to think of yourself as God, or to be able to think of it in a different way. I think that’s one reason why there’s so much as the hang up because of the fear and the consequences, the way that we were brought up. I like that

Brandon Handley 9:07
right. And I think the idea too, is that the were brought up to believe and think that we are separate from God, right? And then we also have to take a look at this desert, there’s a big God, G, big G and a little G. Right? So the big God and a little God, and even then I think we have a challenge and trying to associate ourselves with God. Now if we look at the idea of in some cultures, they say God is love, right? So are you is it much easier for you to say I am loved then I am God.

D Mike 9:39
You know, that’s kind of a difficult one there to make that kind of distinction to see which one resonates more to say I am God which another reason I think that people will kind of have a hang up about that is because that kind of puts you in the all powerful all knowing and people are like, I don’t know everything, you know, I’m not all powerful. So so they want to separate themselves from that, but on that same token I know that there’s a lot of times whenever I don’t feel like I’m always loved. And you know, I think that that’s one of the big reasons I was so excited to come on to this show in particular is because, you know, we’re talking about like, Hey, this is spirituality. And sometimes it looks like this. And sometimes it looks like that. And, you know, coming from going back to my story, living in Compton, Los Angeles, and then living in Johnson County, Kansas. And I see this energy that people identify with and and so I think that me saying that I am love which one would want to be easier. I know that every day I’m feeling more compassionate. And I’m feeling more in low I’m letting my guard down a little bit more. All of the time. I’m becoming more authentic, which I think that is at our at our heart and our true nature. Is that that compassion and that love So yeah, yeah, I think that God is love and everything is a fit. You’ve heard the phrase, everything is love, or a call for love. So I think in that way, then yeah, I mean, I think that it’s easier to say that I am low rather than I am this entity that is God. Yeah, look,

Brandon Handley 11:01
man, like sometimes I burn water, right? So like, don’t you don’t give me a god, don’t give me God privileges. I’m just gonna mess it all up. Right. And the same token, I had a really good conversation with your co. co partner me this weekend, actually, one of the things that she brought up, and I thought it was really awesome, just as it relates to kind of God was that, you know, she grew up in the Catholic space, I’m sure you know much more about her than I do. I’ve spoken to her for about an hour, but she brought up the idea of having in Christianity, like an army of angels, having your back, I was like, when you can have that mentality. That’s great. You know what I mean? And having you know, you, maybe you’re maybe you can’t identify holy with I am God, but if you can identify with having God’s army, that’s got your back. I mean, that’s, that’s, that gives you a different way to go out and about, right,

D Mike 11:51
we’re sure, right? See how that would, that can provide a whole new perspective. For sure. And, and I think that that’s, and then so we’re getting into something here that I think is really important, especially coming from, from my perspective, and that’s, and that’s like the Unity the Unity principles. And so we’re getting into getting into labels and things of that nature. And, and so like, you were saying, You and me, were talking about having a host of angels behind you that are that are protecting you and helping you cool, I think that’s awesome, whatever makes you feel empowered, and and powerful and useful enable ability, you haven’t having the ability to create, I think that’s awesome, you know, some of my more more recent crowds that I’ve been hanging out, it’s like about having angels, or having guardian angels, or, or any of the being, I mean, I’ve heard any, any of the representatives or we’re even Tupac, you know, people talking about all kinds of spirits, leaders that they have. And, you know, I think that there’s a lot of crossover, if we’re talking about the angels in one religion might kind of convert and be this other entity in a different religion, but I really feel like it’s just the energy behind it. And it’s that feeling power to feeling supported. And so as far as any of the labels go, I think that, you know, my middle name is Michael. So maybe I’m calling on that Archangel Michael, you know, I’ve had several sessions where people tell me, oh, this, this angel, this person is there supporting you. And I think it’s great to feel that to feel that I’m supported. But I try not to get caught up too much in the labels.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Now I’m with you. Hundred percent hundred percent, you know, reason why I kind of resonated with that thought process myself was thinking of the universe’s benevolent right thinking that the universe, all things and like, like you said at the beginning, right, you are here at this specific time at this specific place, juncture, all these things for yourself to basically become right, you know, this, this, you’re here for one purpose, right, you were sat down here, you were, you know, putting the toaster, whatever you’re here for just like one reason, and it’s gonna be a blip on like the map of like the universe and all this other stuff. But the timing isn’t going to be so impeccable, that you’re not going to have all the support that you need in order to move forward. Right, right. Like you’re not here alone, you are here with source energy, right, which is a part of you, God soars. And so that’s the idea. Right? I

D Mike 14:15
think so. And I think that that’s really important to say that we’re not here alone. And I think that part of the decision to come down here and to be born to specific parents in a certain body, I think all of that planning and putting in the people and some of the incidents that in some, some of the challenges that you’re going to face whenever you come down here, I think that all of that is part of the planning of whenever we come down here and and and then also within that, just there’s the challenges that are kind of laid out before as well. But also there’s the helpers. Also, there’s the the people who are going to be who are going to show up at exactly the right time. Also, there’s the event that’s just going to present itself to you and the tickets to it are just going to fall out of the sky and you’re going to come in you’re going to have an amazing experience that that exact perfect If it’s going to push you forward, I also believe that that we that we have those factors that are pushing us forward as well. I think it’s all part of it. It’s all part of the planet.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Yeah. So coming out of Compton into the central United States of America, which is kind of it’s kind of entertaining, like journey, I’m sure. Right. I’ve never been to different worlds, no doubt, right? Where do you feel like you kind of stepped into this awareness or acceptance of your power?

D Mike 15:26
That’s a great question. And I think that that is sort of the underlying concept that’s really gotten me to where I am now. And to a place where I’m formulating that the Unity principles and really integrating and living them. Like I said, I always felt like I was searching for my power, even though I felt like I had a lot of tools. And I was always tapped on the shoulder, like, I was always getting these little messages, I would always see my birthday and certain number of patterns that would kind of be kind of hinting at me. And I would always be like, you know, whatever, that’s completely crazy. That’s, there’s no place for that in my life, I was just always shoved away. And I think it was up until about, I mean, it was probably 778 years ago, whenever I was in Compton. And I think it was just a dichotomy of my experience. I mean, I got to a point where, or whatever it was, I was at a point where I was like, you know, what, I know that I can do better than this, I know that I can, I can create, I know that people can do this, it was more of that, like, I know that people can do this, and I’m a person so so I know that I can I know that I can create. And and so it was the it was the contrast of looking around and seeing I mean, I was in the middle of Compton, war torn games, you know, seeing a hearse, the helicopters flying overhead every day. gunshots is just a regular thing. And so but whenever I was in this position, it was something it just pricked my heart, it was something that came in that I knew that there was something else different that was going on in the world, other than what I was feeling other than what I was seeing. And, and this this huge just waves of compassion, and just downloads of just empathy for the people that I was seeing around me for the rampant homelessness that was going on around me. And so whenever I would interact with the, with the those people, and I would see, I would feel this, this energy that was that was behind this, you know, you would think that it’s just like this is just everybody’s just distress. And nobody has any kind of, of power or any kind of hope or anything, but I felt the exact opposite. And so I think whenever I was able to feel this, this energy that when people were talking about it to like, I mean, I would talk to these homeless prostitutes that that were, you would just think that would have no place in spirituality or anything like this. And they’re talking about this energy, this thing that’s binding us together and this force and would come in, I don’t quite know how to talk about it. You know, the same thing that I’m at this, at this point, I had found a teacher in a community here in Kansas, and they were talking about these same concepts. And so in here, I’m thinking I’m in these two completely different realms, physically and spiritually, but I’m feeling the same things. And I’m, and I’m seeing and I’m witnessing the same things. The this energy that is that’s in both places, and I guess, got this idea about, about unity. And I and I saw how differently we approached strangers, because people that we don’t know, and how differently we treated them from, from people who are familiar to us. But realizing that all of those people have the same attention, we all have the same grace, we all have the same things that drive us. And and I and I want it and I got the idea. If we could live in a world and live in a society where we treat everybody, like family, we treat everybody as love, which we all want to do. You know. And that’s what I really believe. I think that we’re all kind of even though we might live in fear at some points. I believe that we all want to live this way. And if we settle into that, and allow it to come in with the shift of consciousness that I think we’re all feeling Rossing we’re all talking about, then we can make those those small shifts that it’s going to take so that we can see each other differently, and create a whole different way of relating to one another and create a whole new world. And we can do it really quickly.

Brandon Handley 19:10
And it’s perfect, right? I mean, I agree who we want to, we want to love each other. We want a lot of the same things. We of course, I think we’ve been we’ve been taught that primarily, we want it for ourselves first, which is fine, so long as we want it for everybody else, right. And I think that it’s when we realized that we want it just forever. We want it for everybody else I was more than we want it for ourselves, while at the same time giving it to yourself, like you’ve got it like I love the line. I don’t know where to how I got it from but like you’re the giver and the gift, right? Like so you’re you know, so you got to get and you also have to give that to yourself in order to resonate it. Right. So I mean, whatever that looks like for you. So you’ve got to give yourself love so that you can love. All right. I love it. One of the things that you brought up in there one thing I was just gonna I was gonna make a little, not everybody wants You saw our families retreat, you know, it’s tough, right? Some some family member, you’re like, I’m not watching you like family, but a lot that goes, what what do you think is the fear? Right? What is that fear? That’s that’s keeping us from doing this like, Well, you know, what’s that? Why aren’t why aren’t we doing this already?

D Mike 20:18
You know, and like I said, I think that this shift is, is going to be accompanied with this shift in consciousness that’s coming in. And I think that the answer the question is, what is that shift in consciousness shifting us from? And I think that what’s been instilled in us is competition, scarcity, lack. And whenever you believe in these kinds of things, then you start thinking, well, I’ve got to get for myself. And also, and also within that belief set and belief system is separation, right? Because like, you’re saying, I need to get this for, I need to want it for me and not for yourself and not for this other person, nothing for that. So it’s this idea of separation. And again, this goes back to our true or true nature and our true source, if we can get back to thinking of ourselves holistically like that, like we are one being expressed in different ways, but we’re here to support one another, then then I think that we can shift away from this separation, which then breeds competition, scarcity, lack all of those things, because that’s why we’re not doing right now. Because we’re, we’re in this, we’re in this, this bubble, this this place where we think that I’m different from you. So I need to get I need to get and there’s a lack, there’s, there’s a lack of things there isn’t there, we don’t live in an abundant universe. You know, we act like we don’t like one plant doesn’t produce an infinite amount of plants, we’ve bought into this lie, that there is scarcity. And if you have, then I don’t have. And so that’s what I think is the most important thing about unity, is whenever we realize that we’re not separate things, and it doesn’t even it doesn’t become a question of, well, I want this for me, and not you. It’s just that we want abundance. And I think that, you know, we there is abundance, and whenever we can look at it that way and think of it that way and understand that that is what shoe that once he does create an entire infinite amount of resources, and not just not just one more, and then and then we’re this, this universe is huge and ever expanding, right? We’re never going to run out of stuff and we’re not going to and we don’t need to fight over this stuff. And, and so I think that one of the main principles that I’m integrating and trying to help spread is is that of, of unity, of that of collaboration over competition, I’ve seen what happens whenever we compete, and I’m seeing what happens whenever we come together. And and I think that’s another aspect of what I’m here doing is I’ve whenever you take like the more different people are and you come together and realize their unity, the more profound the solutions and the creations that they make. And so the more courage that we can have to reach out to people who are different who look and think and that can feel differently than us the more authentically courageous we can be. And having forming these true connections and true bonds with people and realizing that we are just the separate organs of this trying to animate this this same benevolent body then then that’s when the magic really starts happening. And I think that that’s what’s keeping us from from doing it already. Is that fear?

Brandon Handley 23:29
Perfect. I love I love the imagery too. Like it’s funny you brought up Oregon’s of kind of a divine body universal body, I was think about is more like a little blood vessels or little little blood cells. Either way, you know, we’re where we are what makes up the body of this universe, right? Yeah, I love that you hit on the you know, this is an expanding universe. Let’s for a second though, is the universe. Infinite? Yes or no?

D Mike 23:59
Well, if it’s just a yes or no, just Yes or no? Um, then yes. Okay.

Brandon Handley 24:05
How does something that is infinite expand?

D Mike 24:08
So yeah, that’s a great question.

Brandon Handley 24:10
And then just let’s just couple it with these pieces. These are just pieces that I love to throw into the pie right? We are part of the universe the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate. Does that mean that we to therefore Ergo our consciousness is now expanding and an accelerated rate because we are part of the universe?

D Mike 24:28
I think that’s exactly what honestly i think you know, and that I think, I think that’s exactly what it is the universe is expanding and and i think that consciousness I really kind of feel like the the fundamental elements that makes up everything is consciousness. And I think that it’s very, you know, getting into theoretical physics and whatnot. Every time we try and review the edge of the universe, it expands or, or something happens that we’re not able to get past that and see what like what’s quite past that boundary. And yeah, I think that’s that’s the universe that’s that’s us expanding, I think us our experiences here are creating that consciousness, which is the expansion of the universe. I mean, it makes it it’s really difficult when you try to think of it in in spatial terms, we, you know, kind of finite three dimensional terms, something being infinite and expanding. But I think if we take it back to our true nature of spirit, and think about it as consciousness, and think about how we’re expanding just by, you know, we’re creating, we’re making love, we’re creating love, we’re creating consciousness. And the more that we are, the more that we’re able to focus, the more that we’re able to, to have consciousness and be conscious of ourself, which is the universe, you know, as within, so without, so the more that we’re able to focus on our own consciousness, then then that’s creating consciousness, which makes more of the stuff that we are, you know, which makes more of the stuff that is. And so that’s how something can be can be infinite and expanding. You know, whenever we think of things in terms, I mean, I’m a big math nerd. And so, you know, I love calculus and numbers and, and thinking about the concept of infinity and how something can approach infinity faster than another thing can approach infinity. So there’s different ways of thinking about this. And we try and we try and put it into our finite minds with numbers and symbols and things but really, it’s an it’s an infinite mind, that that we’re trying to access in order to think about something as big and as complicated and complex as consciousness and infinity expanded

Brandon Handley 26:33
a little bit. Thanks for thanks for that. I always, always just kind of enjoy thinking about it that way. And one of the reasons that that happens, right, you know, obviously, you know, you kind of make that connection with new or expanding our I think that we talked about you talked about like this shifting consciousness now that we’re seeing, and, and how it’s kind of almost like a tsunami, man, it’s just kind of showing up in a big way. Right. Now, one of the things that I’ll meditate on is getting to the edge of the universe and like kind of riding that wave of the like edge of the universe, right? And then of course, I’ll be like, well, how can my mind even fathom like what infinite edges are, but hey, look, man, that’s where we are. Right now we are riding on the edge of expansion. Right? So now so so I love how you kind of put it all together. And I’ll throw one thing out there for you too, because of all the people fucking Tony Robbins. I saw him last year. And I saw him last year. And one of the things that he brought up, this wasn’t like one of his things, but he just happened to be at some event put up brought up the idea of competition. And as you and I are discussing competition in this context, it’s to compete for scarce resources, right, it’s to compete for theoretically, scarce resources. Whereas, you know, he brought up the idea of competition being more in lines of just say, you know, you are great with what you’re creating and your creation, and you’re driving me to be greater, or, you know, trying, I’m trying to compete with you, in terms of bringing the best of each other out of that type of competition. I was like, Alright, Tony, you got me on that one that really just kind of, it helped me change my perception of cop, just the word competition, right? Instead of being triggered by them. Like I could see this in another way.

D Mike 28:17
For sure. And I’d love to speak on that. Because I mean, I’m the I’m the son of a baseball coach. Yeah, I was captain of the basketball team in high school. And I’m very, very competitive with my with my family members, whenever we’re playing a board games and whatnot. I’m very upset that my little sister beats me every time and every game that we play, we play. And that’s and that’s and I love a competition, you know, and competing and getting better and having that resistance so that I can I can get better. Here’s the thing. Whenever we’re done playing board games, at the end of the at the end of it, we put the pieces back into the bucks, and we hug each other and we have dinner and a drink together.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Yeah, yeah, that’s a that’s a beautiful competition right there. Right. And that’s, and that’s a competitive spirit. I think that the words been buffed up over the years, right. Like, I mean, like a competitive spirit isn’t one that wants to does living in fear. A competitive spirit is again, your essential nature is to be seen to shine to be the best of all that it can be if you cultivate it, if you if you allow for it to be, right. So that’s just just my shtick. On the one time I saw Tony Robbins and he changed my life for a minute. At least at least Hey, look, you know, it’s just the smallest trajectory, right? The Butterfly Effect all that stuff that just kind of really sets you off. The other thing you brought up to like in the very beginning here was just, you know, talking about wearing a bunch of masks, talk to me a little bit about like some of the masks you’ve worn some of the masks you’ve discarded, and maybe even some of the masks you still put on for sure.

D Mike 29:52
Yeah, no, this is a this is something that that’s really integral to my growth within the last four Four or five years ago, especially, but yes, and as I was talking about earlier, I think that maybe just the demographic and the geographic area where I grew up, you know, being a being a black male. Growing up, especially in the times, whenever, you know, people weren’t, people weren’t talking about their feelings, and it wasn’t okay to talk about it, any of that empathy and any of these kind of things. So and then, I mean, even so, then moving up to Compton. And when I was on the train out there meeting other people who told me, you have to act hard, you have to act this way, you know, in order to in order to receive love, I mean, that’s essentially what it was, in order to, in order to be accepted, in order to receive love, you have to be a certain way. So but that wasn’t me, I always felt like I was very into things that were that were maybe had a more softer kind of power to them, you know, I there was a whole other side of me that I was told that I was not able to access if I wanted to fit in. So I wanted to receive love. And so what I did is I got really good at wearing masks and putting on different airs and being a certain person in front of this person, and then a different person in front of that person. And, and I got really good at it, you know, I was able to, you know, I can make people laugh, I can be exciting. But there was still a whole side of myself, that I was pushing out of the way that was shoving down and I wasn’t allowing myself to access because I was told, and I was allowed myself to believe that it was weak, and that it was unacceptable. And so whenever I allowed myself to rise, you know, I had that awakening that I was talking about. That’s whenever I really felt like, I was like, Okay, now I can go in and I can just completely take an honest look and say, Who am I? How do I feel in this particular time in this particular incident, because I was trying to please everybody and realizing that I wasn’t able to please anyone, you know what I mean? And, and I wasn’t able to find my power because it wasn’t authentic. And so whenever I finally started saying, Okay, you know what, I have to admit to myself that I’m wearing masks, this is not me, you know, just getting courageously authentic, like that and be like, I’m gonna do this. And if if people shy away from me, that’s already happening, you know what I mean? I wasn’t able to create the relationships and things that I’ve been bringing the people into my life that were supporting me. So it just, it got me to that point where I was like, You know what, I have nothing else to lose. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna examine this and realize, Hey, you know what, this is me, this is me, I, you know, I’m emotional. You know, I cry whenever I’m excited. You know, I, you know, do do these different things that might, I didn’t think that were acceptable. And, and whenever I started looking at things like that, whenever so looking at myself that way, it’s still the exact opposite of what I thought, I felt absolutely powerful. I felt like instead of having to remember who I was, and how to react in this certain way, I could just go inside and say, How do I feel at this time? And whenever I was able to access that authenticity, then it made me see, well, I normally would have reacted like that. Okay, cool. So there’s a mask, and I’m able to see all of these different ways where I’ve contorted myself into being something different, and separated myself from from my power. And so as far as us tell us about some of the masks that I that I still continue to wear. And I think that it’s there’s a couple of things. First of all, it’s always a process, there’s always times whenever I’m going to see something else I’m like, and I feel it in my body. And like, that’s not authentic. You know, I’ll say something and I’m like, oh, wasn’t courageous there. You know, I ran a program I wear I wear a mask doing that. And so and so I’m always able to get more authentic. But then the other thing is, you know, as long as I’m aware of the masks, then whenever then I can try them on, I can put them on sometime, you know, it’s like, if I want it, I kind of feel like that’s what we’re doing. And when we’re source just we’re playing I’m playing out the mic right now. So and I can kind of do that in my real life, as long as I’m aware. Like, this isn’t how I you know what I mean? This isn’t much I’m just, I’m just playing here. I understand that I still have, I still have my anchor to my true self. But yeah, I still do. But I play with them sometimes. And and I think that it’s to me, I think it’s about the awareness of it. To me, it’s about knowing who you are your true self, and not trying to deceive, you know, I don’t do it and trying to deceive anyone and trying to deceive myself. And that’s kind of what I’m saying is, whenever I put on these masks, I make it very obvious, like, Hey, I’m putting on this mask, and I’m just playing with it. And I make that very obvious to everyone involved. But having that awareness and having that ability to come back to my true self and my true power at any time. I think that that is that’s where the true benefit of the journey happens.

Brandon Handley 34:26
The idea that it’s being aware when you put those masks on or offer or change them out. I think that that’s that’s a great one. You said it a couple times too. So we’ll hit on, you know, courageously authentic. I’ll let you know this little tidbit for me the past month or two courage has been a big one in my vocabulary that’s coming from the book, force first power where there is a map of consciousness on on there, everything below and it’s done like in a logarithmic scale. You know what that means? I don’t because I didn’t get the calculus, but it’s done in a lot of this done in a logarithmic scale. And it starts at zero, which is like, you know, and 20. And you know, up, there’s like, grief, sorrow, anger, yada, yada, yada. 200 is 200 is courage. Okay? And then you’ve got hope and love and enlightenment all up here, right enlightenment 1000. So the idea is it 200, you know, you can go up or down at 200. The idea is, once you get to 200, once you are courageously authentic, right, once you once you take that courage in that moment, you empower yourself to step into what you believe is possible, by just being you that’s where that’s where the magic, that’s where the shift happens. Right. So that’s why I bring it up. And you know, how does that relate to, you know, what you’re saying here as courageously authentic?

D Mike 35:56
Absolutely. You know, the same that that the treasure you seek lies, and in a cave that you that you feel to enter? And I think that, you know, I’ve heard it called the emotional tone scale, however you want to call it, but whenever you get to courage, I think, then that’s when you start to see the benefits. So so it’s like, you know, you’re thinking, Well, how do I get there, like, I’m too, I’m too afraid to kind of to show my true self, I don’t want to, I don’t want to have it put up for scrutiny, I don’t want to have to maybe fail at something with my true authentic self. So we stay small, and we stay, we don’t enter the cave, but whatever we do, and we and we just are courageously ourselves, it’s just a few seconds of courage, then you automatic thing, you start to see the benefit. And then I think that’s why it takes off because you like because then you start to tie that action of being authentic to the benefit. And then whenever and then whenever that happens, I know for me, it was over without for that. Because I was like, oh, I’ll have to do is get a little vulnerable for a quick second, realize that the outcome is not going to match up with the fear that’s keeping me from doing it. And in fact, this is going to be something amazing, I wasn’t sure I could attain on the other side, then then it just starts the ball rolling. And then it’s like, okay, where else can I be authentic? Where else can I be vulnerable, what other side of myself, I’ve been keeping inside and not shiny out, you know, because because of fear. But now realizing that once I do that, then people are gonna start paying attention to me. I mean, that’s whenever I started gaining attention, that’s whenever I started getting to getting momentum is whenever I started accessing that courage, and whenever I said, you know what people might think of me in a certain way, but people already think of me in a certain way, when people are gonna expect certain things from me, or people are already expecting certain things for me. So you know what, I’m going to police myself, and I’m going to be completely authentic, and I’m going to behave in the way that I want to, and that would make me proud. And that resonates with me. And that’s the thing is, whenever it’s that, you know, Oscar Wilde says, Be yourself, everyone else is taken, you know, it’s because you are the best at being yourself. And I’m not I’m not very good at being anybody else. I just try. I’ve tried to be all these other people. And I wasn’t very good at it. But whenever I started being myself, then people started responding to me, like, Wow, look at this authentic being. And I started hearing on one of my favorite compliment that I get all the time is, you’re such a bright light, you know, it’s like you’re such a bright light people come up from across, and all it is is they see me attached to my authenticity and being real. And I think that that gives permission to other people to do the same thing and to tie into your authentic, courageous authenticity. And I think that’s where the power lies.

Brandon Handley 38:32
Would you call that one of your small shifts?

D Mike 38:35
Oh, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 38:37
That’s what I mean. So in terms of, you know, you mentioned earlier, just kind of these small shifts right towards I think unity and whatnot. Sounds like you’re saying, you know, courage and this being created justly authentic is a piece of it. What are what are like one or two of these other small shifts that have benefited you that you share with others?

D Mike 39:00
Yeah, so the Unity principles that I’ve got on my website, and they’re all changing all the time and being added to and whatnot, but a lot of the small shifts, first of all, it’s it’s like we’re talking about being courageously authentic. Another one is looking at everybody, like they’re doing the best that they can, and seeing the god nature in everyone. I think that that is the reason that that is so important is because we’re social beings, and we gain our power from being in groups and being able to to support one another. And as I’ve been talking about before, the more diverse or different the people that come together with these nuanced ideas, the more profound that the shift is. And so whenever I would look out at life and see everybody as you know, nobody, everybody’s messed up, everybody’s just out for themselves and nobody has any and all this then I cut myself off from so much benefit. And whenever I started looking at whenever I started looking at everybody is just extensions of myself of non judgement, that’s kind of another spin off. That’s a That’s a huge one to not judging people. And so whenever you’re realizing that you see the best in everybody gushing about people, instead of gossiping, gushing, not gossiping, I think is is a huge one. Because I mean, for one, and just being charismatic and asking for help, whenever you’re gossiping about somebody, the person who hears you, they’re gonna attribute those negative characteristics to you, even though you’re saying that it’s somebody else. So always gossiping about somebody about people and things, that also just puts you in this mindset of searching for negative and searching for for things that aren’t going to be beneficial to you. So I think that it’s all about your perspective. And whenever you look at people like they’re doing the best that they can, even if you can’t quite get there and thinking, but if you look at people as doing the best they can, and you look at them as bright, capable angels, you know, that are there to assist you and that you have something to share and assist them with, those are some of the those are some of the principles that that I can just implement immediately, and start to see magnificent, magnificent change just right off the bat. Love those. Remember, it’s

Brandon Handley 41:03
funny, you bring that up, you know, seeing everybody that greatness, seeing the divinity and everybody has to remember coach in a bunch of like five or six year olds, and I was actually doing the assistant coaching and the guy who was coaching had been known for like 45 years, right? He was always Grandad. And I forget what I said, but he’s like, there’s something good. And each one was like, I don’t know are you see? Yeah. But I was joking, kind of mostly, but not really just in that moment. But it was great to hear somebody of his age, right saying that of all these little kids. And I thought that that was pretty powerful. Because I was I was being a judgy, son of a bitch that day. And you bring up non judgement. For me. It was going through headspace, the headspace app, and how Andy right brings up how do you train your mind? And when you have some of these thoughts and your own thoughts, and you’re judging your thoughts, right? He’s like, Don’t judge any of your thoughts as like, Ah, there is such a weight lifted when you’re not even judging your own thoughts. And then you’re like, Where else? Can I apply this non judgmental, blah, blah, blah, right? Because I can look out there somebody, I can start to think it but no judgment. Right. I mean, they’re just they’re doing and I think it came from also from Abe Lincoln, when somebody was talking to him about southerners. And he goes, you know, what, if it was me, I’d be doing the exact same thing that they’re doing, right. And like, it’s not a judgment thing. It’s like, they just happen to be doing what they’re doing, because they’re doing it. And I’m not going to judge him on it. Like, I mean, that’s not what I’m doing. Right. But I can’t say that what I’m doing is any better than what they’re doing anyways. Right? So I mean, you take judgment out of it.

D Mike 42:38
I think it’s, it’s expanded compassion, it’s expanded empathy. You know, we make up these stories, we see somebody doing something, and we automatically make up a backstory, we know what happened while they were doing this. And that’s why this is so stupid of them, like, how could they you know, and we think we know what they want, we think we know what the what the goal is, and all of this, and, and once we make up this thing, that that they should be behaving differently and better, and we know how that is, I think it’s just a, it’s a, it’s a bigger step of empathy. And, you know, I’ll try to make up, I’ll try to make up so you know, I get cut off cut off in traffic, and I try to make a different story like, wow, you know, what, I’m sure that they have something huge going on right now. You know, like, they really needed to be in that spot. And I get it, you know, what I mean? And I just think whenever we’re able to look at it, look at things like that. And I think it really expands on everything. Because I’ll find myself I’ll be I find myself like in the middle of the lane on the shoot, and I need to get in a suit. And I’m like, and I cut somebody off or something. Um, and you know, I’m sorry, but, you know, so I get it. And I think that I and just on that example, it’s one of the greatest I made a post about I just made a post about this, but it was the greatest thing I saw that happen. I was driving and I thought, there’s two cars in front of front of me, and one of them cut the other one off. And I was like, Oh, no, here we go. But you just saw that, okay, you know, I get it. And I was like, that’s the consciousness shift that I’m talking about. Right now. We’re starting to we’re starting to show up differently. We’re starting to not judge we’re starting to have that expanded empathy and tell it we’re telling a different story and realizing that we don’t know where they come from. We don’t know where they’re going. We don’t know what’s going on with them right now. So whenever we see this action, whenever we see something that we’d normally judge, like you said, At first it pops up and you’re like, you know, you get that that inkling that you want to just just tell them new one, but, but just whenever you can have that expanded empathy. I think that that’s, that’s, I mean, that’s all it says that’s that’s what the shift in consciousness is helping us to do. Thinking of other others as ourselves and telling a different story.

Brandon Handley 44:32
Do you feel like this kind of this shift in your own consciousness to sleeping with spirituality has led you to a more fulfilling life at this point in time?

D Mike 44:43
infinitely? Yeah. in in in what, how I can, how I can speak that. I think that’s the most important thing because what’s all this for? You know, it’s like, what was spirituality? Like? Why does it mean like, what are we doing and all of that? I think that That is the whole thing. And I’ve kind of touched on it before I felt powerless. And I and it was so frustrating, because I’m like, you know, I got social skills. And you know, I can I can, I can talk I’ve got, I can do all these things, I went to a good school and educated and, and all this wasn’t Why can’t I create what I want I want to create, I’m doing nothing, nothing is as I want it want it to be, and I’m not happy. And that’s what it that’s what it wasn’t, I think getting to just rock bottom as far as that, just getting to where I just, I’m not happy and realizing it. And I will try anything. I mean, I asked my dad one time, I remember, after a long night. And I was like, you know, what is the point? You know, what’s the point of all this? And he’s like, Well, yeah, you know, you, you you’re you go to school, and you get a job and you get married. And you have, and I was like, I don’t want any of that. You know, I was like none, I don’t want any of that at all. And so I was like, Well, you know what, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you don’t do all of that. What I’m saying, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you do what you’re not supposed to do. And so I started, I stopped just listening to myself and just doing because I didn’t have anything to lose. And I just wasn’t happy and started started behaving the way that I wanted to behave. And I started learning about the things that I wanted to learn. And I started allowing myself to listen to that, that beckoning that had always been kind of calling me. And so it led me on the inward journey, all of these things, these benevolent features that I placed in my life led me into this path. And I started realizing about unity, I started realizing about cooperation, I started realizing about empathy, and how and how we’re also connected, and it opens up things to me. I mean, it really does. I’m not saying that’s what it actually does, is, it makes me It gives me the self confidence and the self love, so that I can I can share that with the world. And I can call in the help Colin people who want to support me in my journey. And then through that those collaborations, it opens up a whole new world with a whole new set of resources, and a whole different mindset, and a whole new set of skills and power to be able to create precisely what I see in my head,

Brandon Handley 47:07
you got to see it there. First, you create yourself some serendipitous moments, right? When you step along that path that that you’re describing there, right? When you say, hey, this world you’re living in, that’s cool, you can have that I’m gonna go down here and see what’s over here. Right. And it’s it is it is a path that think is less traveled, I don’t know that it’s so much less traveled as it’s not talked about as much, right. And I think that one of the reasons for that is because you can’t teach it per se, right? You can’t teach somebody else what your personal experiences are. And so that that’s where it becomes a challenge. But that being said, there’s, there’s certainly key Mark indicators, right of Oh, you’re on that path of whatever. And you can tell that in the conversation and mannerisms and so on, like, okay, I kind of get where you’re at, right in life period, like it’s, and that’s going to be in a conversation with somebody who’s in a corporation, or just off the streets, like you were saying, I can talk to a prostitute who’s all cracked up and like, we can have a conversation, she could share what’s on her mind and be like, I could see where you are in your life. Right? There’s, you know, there’s different time space continuum continuums of life, right? Nothing is totally linear, whatever, all that jazz, give me a blurb, a little bit on your game of unity so that people kind of know where to go check that out and what’s happened in there,

D Mike 48:33
for sure game of I think this platform, I think, is sort of the culmination of everything that I’ve wanted to create for myself and then to be able to share with everybody and it comes from whenever I was going through the process and having this having this awakening and looking for support going down the YouTube rabbit hole all of this and looking for people who are thinking that I wasn’t insane if somebody told me I wasn’t insane, and to show some kind of support and maybe some some knowledge. And so and so that’s what this is, it’s it’s to hold your hand as you go through this process of awakening, and self actualization. It’s and it’s called game is unity because it’s fun, it’s supposed to be fun, I think that that’s what we’re here doing is we’re here to create and to and to have fun and to and to relate to one another. And I think that’s that’s probably the main thing about game of unity because what it is once you join the game when you’re in the game, then you know the council is going to be sending you different tasks and and different challenges and they’re all aimed at helping us to relate to strangers and to one another and in a more beautiful way in a more empathic and a more courageously authentic way You know, there’s challenges such as you know, before Corona Lottie was to go and, and high five, somebody who lives differently than you know, there’s no things like that, that you know, my vision of the entire world is playing this game the entire world is courageously going out, trying to connect with people who think and look and act differently from them. You know, the entire world was going out and saying this Can I support? You know, how can I get support from you? And how can we come together to create something amazing, we have the entire or the majority of the world playing this game and relating to each other in this way, realizing, hey, I want to go to France, I don’t have to, like make up a trip and see how I’m going to eat and whatever, we can just say, there’s humans there. So I’m going to be taken care of all I need to do is get there. And even there’s going to be humans along the way, they’re going to help me get there. And I think that so the game of unity is to help us and push us in that direction. And to aid us with this aid of the the shifting consciousness. Now all of this together is going to help us to relate to one another, and amazing and new and profound way. And we’re going to create bliss and heaven on earth.

Brandon Handley 50:39
Sounds like a game I should be playing. I love it, man. That’s awesome. I love that you’ve created that. Right. And I think that I think that’s one of the things that we talked about. When we first connected, right? Both of us kind of connect and creating the space for those who are like you said, Man, you’re looking for support. When you enter this realm, you’re looking for something this indicates that you’re not crazy, right? And and and so, you know, how can so many people be feeling this way? And everybody be crazy, right? So that that doesn’t make any sense. We’re rational beings, we know that’s not possible, right? Unless we’re all drinking the same water, whatever. So but the deal is, is, you know, there’s going to be different people there. Who can, you know, kind of catch you who can who can coach you into not, you know, hitting the walls, as you as you come come into this newfound space, right. So that’s kind of what you created, you’ve gotten, you’ve done it with some joy, and some creativity. So thanks for creating that man. And then and look, it’s needed. Oh, my god, did I need it right on, I was like, when when I came, you know, to my awakening, whatever you want to call, I was like, What is going on? And why do I feel so good and weird?

Unknown Speaker 51:52

Brandon Handley 51:55
you, like any like, well, it’s and not gone. so crazy. But um, you know, so you look for some people to talk to. So you’re setting yourself up to be, like you said earlier, you know that that beacon of light right for somebody to kind of come and come and hang out with and that’s great. And you’re also doing that over on your essential nature. You want to talk about that for a second?

D Mike 52:13
Yeah, I think that that’s actually an amazing segue, because we’re talking about this, this one energy that that we all kind of came, we all kind of came from. And then we’re trying to find we’re trying to find somebody who relates to us coming down to this plane, somebody who can tell us that we’re not crazy. And so I think that that is the idea behind your essential nature that our podcast is that we do have, we were trying, we tried to be very diverse in our demographics, you know, we’ve got different races, different ages, different sexes. And so we all are kind of saying the same thing. We’re all talking about this message of unity, we’re talking about compassion, we’re talking about this energy that permeates through all of us. But whenever we have a diverse, it’s exactly what we’re talking about already having diverse people coming together to create something amazing, but also, it provides several different paths in so I mean, there might be somebody who looks at me, a guy who just moved here from content, and whatnot, and I get that he doesn’t, I don’t quite resonate with them, but then they’re gonna see they’re gonna see Ben, who’s a chiropractor. And, you know, he’s got to, he probably relates to a different demographic. And so they’ll hear his message and they’re going to come in, but then there’s going to be the people from Compton and all that, who I believe it who I’m talking about, we all have the same, the same energy moving through us. And they might like it, you know, me who you talk to isn’t like, Oh, you know, it’s kind of throw that away, and then look at me, but Okay, well, I do relate with him. And you know, vice versa, all of all of this. And that’s why so we have these different expressions, that I mean, it’s the same, it’s the same message that we’re trying to, we’re trying to express it through these different mediums, and so that we have, so that we can have something for everybody, because we want to bring everybody into this place where once you get in, you’re in and you realize none of these demographics matter, you know, we’re all the same, we’re all going through the same thing. So we’re just gonna have these different attraction points, and whenever So, so we’re calling up this world is like, hey, there’s something for everybody. And then we want to draw you into this, this layer of support and beauty. And then once you’re here, you’ll just you’ll have all the support of everyone, and you’ll be able to see all the beauty of anyone and just pushes you further into that idea of unity.

Brandon Handley 54:21
Not for sure, for sure. I love that idea of different attraction points. Okay, you guys do a great job of bringing your diversity to it. Right. And you got lots of people represented there. And, you know, I think that one of the things that needs to be recognized, and I’m terrible at it, right, like, definitely, I’ll judge somebody who’s younger than me by significant amount. I think I gave me you know, a little less credit than then do we had a great conversation. I let her know, at the end. I was like, You know what, you You brought more than I expected, which was great, right? Like, I mean, so it was like, man, I got kids and they show me more spirituality sometimes. And I see anywhere else. I’m like, Oh my god, you know, and that’s one of the things Things that we as parents try to do here is to not take that away from them. Right? How can we how can how can we keep that light that you’ve already gotten there? And the things that you and I are struggling with the all these masks and all these? How do I bring my authentic self everywhere? How do I keep my children authentic? throughout? Right? Create human beings that are authentic from day one, right? And let that stay. So because it’s already there, right? It’s, it’s the idea is that, as you and I, you know, I don’t even like the word evolve anymore, as you and I gain more awareness of who we already are. Right? It’s our work. It’s our awareness. It’s expanding, not so much that we are expanding, right? Yeah, just let you know, man. Yeah, it’s just a play on words like how do I make this work for me? And that’s all it really boils down to, right. Like you talked about earlier, like, yeah, you can say love God, whatever the hell you got to say, to make yourself sleep at night, I get it. So one thing like to kind of hit on like, so the idea of spiritual dope is like, you know, you get that spiritual high, right, from, you know, whatever spiritual sense or thing that you do. Where do you get like your spiritual hit from?

D Mike 56:10
Yeah. Oh, man, that’s a really great question. And so I think that that kind of ties into, you know, so so my phone would I fully call myself is d Mike, the young mystic. And so a reason that I call myself a mystic is because I don’t follow one teacher or one set of principles solely, you know, I try and get a little bit of, you know, a little bit from this study a little bit from this from this study, and live from this practice. And so I would say that I get it from life, I get it from so many different places, but then I think it’s always about taking it back inside and seeing what resonates, I get my, I get my, my spiritual hit from experiencing as much of life as I can. And that’s people, places things, everything. And then whatever I read and take in from people, I immediately take it in, and I assess it, you know, courageously and authentically, what feels good to me. And whenever I’m listening to audio books, when I’m listening to podcasts, there’s always something that will, that will stick with me something that will kind of resonate with me. And I’ll always give myself the space to explore that, you know, write it down, make a note of it, however, and then explore it. And just through my, through my experiences, I think that’s where I get that spiritual hit. It’s whenever I manifest, I mean, in whenever you manifest something, so specifically, you hold something in your mind, and you go through the the manifestation processes, and then you don’t even realize it, but then you just sort of become aware and you’re like, Whoa, this is what I created in my head. You know, that’s my spiritual hit, being able to help somebody whenever I’m sitting across from from someone, and you’re able to just gently listen to them. And I’m in that space with them. And I’m looking out through with with four eyes now from their space, and I’m able to see something that they weren’t, and I’m able to help them, help them have that light go off. You know, that’s where I get my spiritual from helping people. You know, like I said, I cry whenever I get emotional, anytime that I see somebody helping somebody or, or seeing somebody going out of their way, in bringing that consciousness and that empathy into real life interacting with people. That’s where I get my spiritual hit from, from life from people. And from my interaction with the world. Perfect, man, I

Brandon Handley 58:25
love it. I love it. You got your spiritual hit from life. And it’s funny, because, you know, like, Ohio life was somebody I’d laugh at, like years ago. I’m like, Yeah, that makes sense. Now, that’s, you’re so right, you can’t get on in life. So it’s funny how life changes. So where and I appreciate you stopping on today. Thank you so much for being here. Where can people go find you?

D Mike 58:45
Yeah, for sure. So I’m keeping up to date with is where I store everything that I’ve got coming up that I’m doing, which is a lot here, especially towards the end of the year. There’s so much being able to be on so many amazing podcasts like this. And then yeah, so game of unity calm, follow my blog there and join the game, then you’ll be able to see everything that’s that I’ve got coming up. Your essential nature is on all the podcasts and Spotify, YouTube, all those those mediums, so check us out. They’re

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Brandon Handley 59:16
Thanks again, like,

D Mike 59:17
hey, thanks. Appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 59:24
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Who can you go to if you are looking for some Superhumanity Coaching?

You head over to and connect with coach Shannah White.

Take a listen to our conversation to learn what it means to be love in motion as Shannah and I cover a variety of topics such as energy, relationships and becoming superhuman.

Brandon Handley 0:00

4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope and welcome back to another interview session with. I’m here today with channel wave. She is a super humanity coach. at Sacred reality his sacred reality is an organization that is making the mystical, practical. And what they’re doing there is they’re giving, helping you to create a paradigm of natural giving from an inner sense of wholeness, real intimacy, peace and freedom to be off in authentic and relationships, ease of self expression and communication, confidence and gentleness, sensitivity to love, within an inner guidance system for appropriate harmless action, and joyful alignment between inner purpose and one’s work within the community. And Shana, her coaching focus is on practical skills of mine that enable you to connect with your own inner spiritual resources by which you can naturally blossom in a wholesome sense of self worth, peace, joy, and freedom to be yourself and be in love with your life. This work heals your relationship with the self, which is the basis for all healing, and all other relationships. The foundation of the self awareness practice is summed up by coming to experientially understand all aspects of the following morning meditation, which I’m not going to read about that. How are you today?

Shannah White 1:35

I just have to make one correction. It’s Shauna,

Brandon Handley 1:38

Shauna, you know, it’s so funny. It’s so funny. I totally ignored intuition. When I was like, I asked her This is Shana or Shan Shan. Hundred percent, not not even not even a lie. Like I was like, let’s just kick it off. So you got a shout out. Thank you so much for for being here today. And I love I love I love the I love the piece about super humanity. Let’s Um, so I’d like to start this off with the idea that source speaks to us, right? divine energy, we are conduits for the universe. And the idea is that you are speaking to somebody who is listening today. This message only flew for them through universal source. What does that message?

Shannah White 2:28

Oh, what is that message today was a message we have right

Brandon Handley 2:31

now what’s called source?

Shannah White 2:33

Aha, thank you.

Shannah White 2:36

Gosh, well, I suppose messages that you are loved in motion. And yet, I understand that you may not know how to experience that in yourself. But it’s simpler than you think. It’s not as far away or as complicated as we make things with the complexity of our thought process and the way we tie our emotions into our thought process.

Shannah White 3:07

It’s really

Shannah White 3:10

giving yourself permission to relax completely out of thinking. And there can be fear involved in doing that. But if you can open up a space where you can relax, and let your thoughts also relax. And then move your feelings and sport. Actually, you know, there’s a transition from thinking to feeling because we even think in order to experience ourselves, we experience ourselves through imaging. So it’s really like, the step is to turn off the imaging. Maybe you notice how you feel yourself where your sense of self is, like, I’m familiar with feeling my sense of self behind my eyes, if I’m in my head if I’m thinking and then shifting out of that place, turning off the visual processing, and moving that awareness and feeling into the body. Like for me below the jaw, maybe I start with back my head, let him move down into my being and just become curious what there is to feel in this space. And this is already the beginning of peace possibly mean really depends on who. Well, people can have challenges you might have emotional energy builds up in your fields. So that might be the first thing that you notice that you feel when you get yourself to To just feel. But as we go deeper in this experience of just feeling without thinking, and breathing, allowing the breath to be the navigation device for our feeling,

Shannah White 5:18

which means for instance,

Shannah White 5:22

I can breathe right now and feel like

Shannah White 5:27

everything in letting the breath, open up my middle back and feeling what my middle back feels like. But I’m not just feeling the physical quality of my middle back, I’m also feeling the kind of emotional or energetic quality in that space in my being. So and then just being with what I feel, noticing it being curious, and being so something magical happens just from us showing up to witness what we feel. And emotion can clear just from being with that process. So that’s the beginning and stop, where I’m ultimately looking to end up. There’s no end really, but where I’m looking to go is deeper inside the center of my chest with this feeling quality. So after I feel a sense of ease in the hole of my body, then I will pull myself deeper inside or bring my focus, look inside with my feeling, not with my visual, but look inside with my feeling into the center and my chest. Now just keep going deeper and deeper and deeper into that center. So it’s, it’s kind of deeper, like the center is maybe four inches in or whatever. But I’ll go deeper than those four inches into that very center. And I just keep going deeper until this warm energy ignites of its own accord.

Brandon Handley 7:08

So this is kind of a description of love and motion, right, you are loving motion. And that’s kind of the journey to and through it. And some of the experiences that you’ll feel throughout that process.

Shannah White 7:18

This is the description of how to connect with love energy. The to become loving motion is, you know, every time we move, okay to become loving motion is to listen to the energy of love, to find our movement to inspire our movement. In every moment, we’re listening to a voice inside us, that is telling us what to do. And that’s either the voice of our history, the way we’ve learned to process it through our personal reality, which is unfamiliar calling that the ego. Or we’re listening to the voice of spirit, the voice of the heart, this love energy that comes from the center of our core, but we have to be available to hear it. When we’re all busy in our head. and pulling from our history and getting emotionally involved in the way we’re thinking about things. Our attention is all in the outer sphere of our being and on the material plane. Our attention is like a spotlight. So if you’ve ever noticed that, perhaps you’ve gotten a bruise and you don’t know where you got it from.

Shannah White 8:39

All the time, all the time.

Shannah White 8:42

Well, for me, that’s proof that my attention is like a spotlight and my attention was so exclusive on something else that I didn’t even notice that I hurt myself that is on there.

Brandon Handley 8:54

That’s all like that. I like that. Yeah, so God.

Shannah White 8:57

Yeah. So when we’re our attention is all focused up in here. We’re looking away from and not listening from, we’re looking away from our feeling sense. And yet our feeling says comes back around and becomes full of our emotional reactions to what we’re thinking. So there’s another layer of distraction. So this way, we have this kind of unplug the thinking and let the feeling sense clear. It’s like all the ripples on the water just settle out in the water becomes still and then in the stillness. Now we can start to hear like heart music

Shannah White 9:36

in the center.

Shannah White 9:39

So it’s a

Shannah White 9:43

it’s a listening skill, inner listening skill. But then when we can listen and actually start to feel that love energy. Then we have somebody to work with for how do I move in This moment as when when we go to do something, the first thing is going to happen is we’re going to go back up here because we have a whole library of ideas that we chest of how to handle different situations. So we reach for typically, we reach for the easiest thing that we know how to do, right? So it takes patience and practice, but we can learn, we can rewrite our choices about what we trust, for how to move. So here’s a really great way to think about it actually. It’s whether we reach for the known, or for the unknown. Because the unknown is basically like we reach for something from memory could be a belief, well, I don’t know what else it would be actually, because we started because we believe that we thought, Hey, this is good, I’ll use this again, right. But the place, the alternative to that is a place where we are hanging out in the inner and I call the inner unknown, where we are choosing not to go for what we know from before. And instead, we’re allowing ourselves to say, Hi, this is a completely new moment. And I do not know, based on history, I do not know, let me feel what do I feel right now.

Shannah White 11:22

Jeff becomes our

Shannah White 11:25

vehicle for discernment.

Shannah White 11:30

So but then also, when we practice feeling that love energy in our center, and then we choose to move to our day, with the patience to wait in the unknown before we move. And to wonder what our What are feeling sense has to tell us about this moment, then we start to find that we can move in alignment with love energy.

Brandon Handley 11:57

I like the idea of feeling sense. All right, what does that what does that mean? Right? And what is what is feeling sense? Because, you know, I get the feeling and I sent something, right? Is this an internal external feeling? You know, just to expand a little bit on what you mean by feeling sense?

Shannah White 12:17

Sure. Okay. So the feeling sense is our intuitive sense, it’s our ability to read energy.

Shannah White 12:28


Shannah White 12:30

our feeling sense, is also where our emotions register. I think of emotions as the energetic feedback from our thoughts. So when so it’s like an instrument, this feeling senses like an instrument. And I feel it from my jaw, to my belly button, in a sphere. So I also also actually feel like I feel sometimes I feel like I feel energy kind of behind and below my arms. So it’s not limited to the body. I do feel like in order to use my feeling sense, I have to bring my attention inward. If I look outward, thinking, I’m going to feel something out there. I lose my feeling sensitivity. And the energetic sense that, you know, emotion can just come and find you.

Shannah White 13:29

Where you are. Right?

Brandon Handley 13:32

Well, you know, I’m a little caught up in the idea of the Taurus right now. Like there’s a toroidal field. Right? And, and so, you know, if you’re looking anywhere outside of yourself, you’re kind of fumbling and signals may be weaker, whereas when they come into your core, that’s your receiver. Right? So I mean, to me, like, you know, that’s, that’s where the, that’s where the signals being sent, it’s a matter of tuning yourself to, to signal, right, and especially if you’re not familiar with this space, if you’ve never been taught how to tune in the first couple times, you start to tune in, it’s gonna be real weak, right? I mean, just like, again, is eerie and funny as it was at the beginning of our conversation, I had an inner sense that I should ask you, how should I pronounce your name? Right? And I totally ignored it. But now I’m like, right. And so it’s when we it’s, it’s these small recognitions of catching those moments and jotting them down and remembering that that just happened, that you begin to develop that ability to tune in more and more often, and that’s going to come to the inside though. Does that sound fair?

Shannah White 14:52

Yes. But I think so part of what’s going on in what you’re talking about when you say writing it down. You You’re taking the time to process what happened, which allows you to, to actually incrementally increase your trust in that. And then you’re like, Oh, I can trust that. So then next time, you might be more interested in listening. And the other thing is that there’s a Would you agree that there’s an element of do blow right past, like do rush to be rush past the intuitive hits? versus exercise in patience in the unknown? And say, Wait, I just felt something that would you say, that’s part of the,

Brandon Handley 15:41

you know, I am, I am so bad at waiting on anything. So, patience, as I was growing up, I was always taught patience is a virtue. I given to the idea of of letting things unfold. Right. I love the Buddhist, you know, one of the sayings is the flower blossom thing, right? If you’re trying to squeeze the bud of a flower to accelerate it blooming, that doesn’t, that doesn’t do it, right. So you can’t squeeze that you got to let it unfold on its own. So I agree with you that it’s just a matter of stop doing right start being

Shannah White 16:20

and allowing the sign and waiting like that, right, I will either move slow enough that I can process it and say, wait a minute, I just heard something, right? Or I won’t. And I’ll be like, Nope, sorry, I’m reaching for the nearest file and made a structure for this one.

Brandon Handley 16:41

Right, right. No. And I think that that comes that comes with time, and I love I love the idea of,

Unknown Speaker 16:49

we don’t have to

Brandon Handley 16:49

slow down, we need to calm down, right? And just let the things come to us again, instead of trying to accelerate anything. We were actors in this whole thing, right? We are, you know, our lines are given to us or coming to us and and we’re kind of acting them out. And we’re following our intuition. But if we can slow down a little bit, we can enjoy it a little bit more,

Unknown Speaker 17:17


Brandon Handley 17:18

And we can allow for it to blossom. And I don’t even like that I don’t like evolve anymore. I don’t like leveling up anymore. Words like that. To me. That’s just Where are you? Right? Where are you not above or higher than anybody else? You’re just you are becoming more aware of what already is? So that’s right. I mean, there’s everything, you know, everything already exists. It’s just what’s our awareness of it.

Shannah White 17:47

That’s true. That’s true. What do you mean by work? factors? Enter? Right?

Brandon Handley 17:54

Yeah, I don’t know. I’m just, you know, just kind of throw stuff out there. Again, like, so, you know, when we started this things off, right? Like, what’s coming through us isn’t sometimes even necessarily for us. Right? The acts that we do and given sometimes we’re like, Why don’t just do that. And I’ll use an example. Like, I wrote something out last week and shared it and like, I didn’t, didn’t honestly put much effort into it social media posting, like, Oh, my God, I got to get a post out today, because I’m on a schedule, my train is going to be late, that kind of thing. Um, so anyway, I put a post out there. And yeah, I put some thought into it. But again, just nothing crazy. And somebody reached out to me, a friend of my friend of my wife’s, she goes, she goes, can I use the words that you wrote there? I was looking for something to you know, say it. My mother’s wake about my mother. And this was, this was it and this is like a day or two before and she’d been struggling find these these words. I was like, by all means, right. I was like, obviously, that wasn’t for me.

Unknown Speaker 18:59


Brandon Handley 19:00

And it’s like, the only you know, one or two people that saw or liked the posts. And, you know, that’s what that was for. So we’re kind of actors where we are receivers. And it’s kind of like, um, we can act on our intuition or we can ignore it. Right. And I find that when we act on it, we tend to be doing somebody else outside of ourself. Some good

Shannah White 19:28

right? Right. I was talking about this with someone today that I feel like we could think about I don’t mind the word God, but could be universe could be love of capital L could be whatever. Sure. Um, but

Shannah White 19:44

I was thinking about that.

Shannah White 19:48

Loving motion is actually God’s thoughts coming to be expressed sure that it’s not just us that we’re, you know, are you I think from my perspective, so that looks like one person. We’re all in this ocean of thoughts moving. And we can either like stick your head out of the ocean and be like, I’m gonna think my thoughts, my little thoughts, you

Unknown Speaker 20:10

know, be the wave, right?

Shannah White 20:12

Go library, right? Or I could just ride slow flow in this ocean and be part of a dance that includes everyone who’s willing to relax, and also feel the flow and flow in the flow. Yeah. And then things like that happen. Which is beautiful. That’s beautiful.

Brandon Handley 20:34

Yeah, when it open, when it opens up, it’s great, right? And that’s just the, the constant awareness, developing an awareness, being open to it. And all of that fun jazz, I want to talk about you and your super humanity coaching, let’s talk about, let’s talk about what it means to be a super humanity, coach, give me a one to know all about it.

Shannah White 21:01

Okay, so first of all, what we were just talking about actually does touch a little bit on what I’m indicating, by the word, super humanity. where, you know, it’s natural for the human being to be an extension of love, or to be loved in motion. But we are not taught how to use our minds to enable this way that we’re indoctrinated in, in a when we’re young, I think from our head, and to distressed, shuts down our capacity to, to experience the energy of love in our center. And we’re also taught that all the following ways you become an expert is by consuming information outside yourself, and then get a badge that says, Look, I consumed all this information outside of myself, I am now authorized to regurgitate it to you and you have to listen because now I’m an expert.

Brandon Handley 21:58

Right? I think and we were talking about this before, right? How annoying is it? Like you have to you have to run around you have to go pick up a certificate for from somebody or somebody be like, Listen, I can do this because I I consumed all this stuff guy Kiko.

Shannah White 22:10

Right, right, where there’s this whole other level of authority and knowledge that comes from within, you can’t get by consuming from without. So this is where this is where super humanity comes in. Because it’s our heart center is a portal to connect with the divine. And that is beyond the definition of human that has been created by the mundane materialistic focused world, the the outside in focus world. So super humanity calls to, for calls out this experience of being human that is beyond what the world has defined as human and humanity. Where it’s about letting go of your beliefs, getting out of the belief, emotion, dynamic of personal reality. And actually, walking in service to love energy, it really feels like walking in service, because it’s not about what I want from a little I place. It’s about feeling letting this energy come in and, and move you but what’s really wild, okay, is that before experiencing this, it feels like, Oh, no, I’m going to give up my self, I’m going to give up my will. I’m going to be I’m going to sacrifice myself to be in service. But when you actually experience it, it doesn’t feel like that. It feels like oh my god, I feel so aligned, and peaceful and relaxed in myself. And I feel fullness from my wants instead of wanting in a way that I feel empty and needy. And these wants become like, Oh, this is what I’m creating. This is what I’m becoming.

Brandon Handley 24:13

So I love I love that. Right. So I mean, a big key of this is you’re working to teach other people how to create. Yes, yeah. Look, I used to listen to a YouTube channel all the time called you are creators. Right? You are creators. I mean, what else are you right? If we’re here and live, let’s use the Bible since everybody else using it. You know, you are made in His image. And you know, what does he do? He creates,

Unknown Speaker 24:42

right, right.

Brandon Handley 24:44

So what do you do? And you know, we’ve been taught to consume, right? Yes. But then if we look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, right, the top the pinnacle of that is to self Express right to self reliance, self reliance, which is the suffix Which is to create something that will, you know, expression is that what, what’s within you? Right? So and let that out and create something, bring it to reality. And that’s self realization is to bring yourself to the to reality. And how do you do that yourself is inside of you, right?

Shannah White 25:23

Yes. Right? Well, so there can be self confusion because we identify with whatever we experience. Mm hmm. So, and that’s where it gets tricky, because people can feel like they’re expressing themselves when they’re throwing a temper tantrum. temper temper tantrum because they didn’t get what they want.

Brandon Handley 25:42

Sure, sure. There’s definitely so there’s self expression. And then there’s, there’s there’s a emotional outburst?

Shannah White 25:51

Yes. Right. So it’s the question of what is the self? And who? Who do I think I am in this moment? Am I feeling identified with a sense of perception that’s based on my history, and my emotional definitions of comfort? Or have I surrendered that sense of self, and I’m grounded in feeling that love energy and the clarity that comes from that love energy, which could be called truth. And that, and then I’m feeling like, these things that are coming through me through my core, instead of from my head? Through my core, are myself. Right,

Brandon Handley 26:35

your energetic self? Is that you know, the term does that, what would you would say?

Shannah White 26:41

Yes, it’s definitely energetic.

Brandon Handley 26:43

Versus versus the egoic. Self, right? Like, I don’t, I’m not really good with, I’m discerning between, like, you know, you know, because to me, the the mind is, I guess, the ego itself, right? That’s the piece. It’s like, latching on to everything and things that, you know, again, that, that it’s a part that it’s what’s doing all the things, right. But the mind is a tool, right? And anything that you can observe is outside of you. And if you can observe the mind, then, right? I mean,

Shannah White 27:16

right, that’s true, you can observe the mind you are not the mind.

Brandon Handley 27:20

But yeah,

Shannah White 27:21

I do consider the mind to be the entire chakra system, okay. And so I think of the ego as a mode of using the mind number one, it’s a mode, okay. And number two, it’s also the library of files that we stored, while using the mind in that mode. Okay, so in that mode, we’re not feeling love. So we’re storing beliefs about about a, an experience of self and the world that doesn’t have love in it. And this is why it becomes scary, to let those ideas go and becomes scary to do something else. Because we think, Oh, this is a scary world. This is a loveless world is a scary world. And we store these beliefs, because these beliefs are part of our survival strategy in this loveless world. So if someone comes along and says, You don’t need to keep those beliefs anymore, yeah, kind of like, I’m not sure I believe you

Brandon Handley 28:27

will take away my things, right? Don’t take away my stuff, I worked really hard to get all this crap to I like to carry around. And you know, it’s very important to me that, you know, when I go down this alley, I’m scared and terrified. Right?

Shannah White 28:42

So, so yeah, it takes a while. We’ve also learned in that state of mind to trust ourselves are, in other words, trust our ego self. Which is a feeling like I trust myself, and I just trust everything else. But when we’re looking to switch modes of mind, so that we’re not functioning from memory and imagination, and pulling from ego files, and instead, we’re hanging out in the unknown, not going for me to files, and then feeling and then trusting the voice of love, to give us discernment. That voice of love is we have a relationship, we are never the voice of love, we are in relationship with the voice of love. So and it changes the quality of our sense of self. But there is a requirement of trust in order to be in that relationship. When we’re in the ego mode, we are not required to trust. So when we’re used to not trusting, transitioning to Okay, I’m not going to pick up any of my stuff that I’ve accumulated for survival, and instead I’m going to trust this other voice. That’s not me. It’s bigger than me. Not mean,

Shannah White 30:02

that’s that takes courage to do that.

Brandon Handley 30:06

use that word courage to? Because I’ve been reading force versus power. Are you familiar with that book? power? So that topic. So have you ever seen the, the the map of consciousness map? right you’re seeing that now. Okay so David deep dives Dr. David Hawkins I think I’m saying the guy’s name right. And and it talks about the the map of consciousness and basically the different levels from like, you know, feeling like you know, total crap and worthlessness, right, and how it registers it, like, you know, sub 200. And all the things that are under like, 200 consciousness map goes up to 1000, all the things that are under 200 are the things that kind of eat away, chew and tear away at you, right?

Unknown Speaker 30:55

But 200

Brandon Handley 30:58

is the tipping point towards, you know, getting you into a more involved and more integrated sense of being in love and life and all that other stuff. But the tipping point is courage. Right? So 200 is courage and courage. lets you step into your greatness, right? Your sweat your super humanity self. Right? So, okay, that’s why I love the word courage. So thank you please go on. Will Tell me tell me what, you know, if I, if I’m doing a super humanity coaching session, what’s that look like?

Shannah White 31:37

Okay, well. So, in my mind, there are two categories of what people need. On the one hand, they need education. And on the other hand, they need

Shannah White 31:51

company on their journey.

Shannah White 31:54

So I do work with people. In both capacities. I work with some people just in one on one sessions, that are focused on timeline traveling with them with whatever their questions are. And I’m helping them to understand their self experience, within the model of self, that we are a vessel to express love. And that when we are not connected with that, we suffer from many stresses in the mind, and many illusions of how we understand things, or is this relationship trying to have a romantic partnership, when you don’t feel your heart? You You were designed to be in partnership with love. So we try to be in partnership with love with that person. And we try to see love out there. And then what happens is because we are in our head, and we’re thinking and we’re feeling around our thinking, and we like this person, that’s what we’re thinking. And we’re feeling them that we’re not actually feeling our own movement. So our source of joy is not internal. It’s not balanced, it’s out there. Now we’re leaving on this person. And leaning on this person accidentally produces control dynamics, control dynamics, now you have a friction of will, between two people. Either this person wants to be in the box that you’re making for them, or they don’t at some point, they’re probably not going to want to be exactly in the box the way they imagined it. And, but when they don’t want to be because this is totally tied to your sense of self worth, and your idea of love and all that kind of thing. Now, you can’t just have a conversation about Hey, that boxes the wrong shape. It’s, it’s, oh, Ouch, that hurts. You don’t love me. So there’s emotional layers, there’s will friction and it all comes back to the fact that this person is not actually feeling their heart. So their sense of their definition of love is skewed. And

Shannah White 34:13

so then, how do we correct that?

Shannah White 34:18

As a super humanity coach, I will give people exercises also to help them make transitions in their self awareness, to access that love energy inside. And a person can understand the difference. But it doesn’t do it to just understand that you actually have to feel that love energy and then suddenly you come back into balance. Suddenly your perception of what’s going on with you and your partner changes. Suddenly, the you know, the misunderstanding that was huge, becomes just one tiny little question that you might want to ask them and otherwise it’s no big deal. Right. So

Brandon Handley 35:03

if what you know, what are one or two of your favorite tools in this space that you like to use? If you don’t mind?

Shannah White 35:11

tools as an exercise? Yo, so

Brandon Handley 35:13

yeah, exercise What? So I would like to know, what’s an exercise that I could do? Well,

Shannah White 35:22

the, the first exercise that I would suggest working with that I always suggest working with actually is relaxing into a feeling place. So shifting out of thinking and into feeling. And I can do this with you right now, if you want to what I do with people is they investigate where they’re at, with how they can express themselves in those terms. And then I will make tailored suggestions for them. So let’s go. Okay, so how? What does your energy feel like to you and a sense of give a sense of where you were sitting? If you use your body as in that? Do you have a sense of where you’re sitting in your body?

Shannah White 36:10

Yes. Where is it?

Brandon Handley 36:14

Like, right below my belly button?

Shannah White 36:20

Okay, so do you have a feeling like you’re looking out at the world from inside?

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Shannah White 36:29

And where are you looking at the world from?

Brandon Handley 36:32

My shoulders?

Shannah White 36:33

That’s interesting.

Shannah White 36:36

Okay, so um,

Shannah White 36:40

do you feel like that feeling of looking at the world?

Shannah White 36:47


Shannah White 36:51

instead of feeling or is it a feeling quality?

Brandon Handley 36:58

Study feeling or a feeling quality is a

Shannah White 37:01

kind of instead of feeling like, looking instead of feeling? Or does it feel like it has a feeling?

Brandon Handley 37:09

Gotcha. Is it got like? I don’t think that. I don’t know, I’d say less of a feeling quality.

Shannah White 37:22

Okay, so can you then turn off the looking quality? And kind of bring our attention behind that, that behind it into the inner space of your body? And just notice, in First of all, can you turn off the looking quality and shift to Yeah,

Brandon Handley 37:48

absolutely. I mean, yeah, I’m doing it right now as we’re talking.

Shannah White 37:51

Okay. Great. So then.

Shannah White 37:54

So then, what do you notice? was just with curiosity? I don’t know if it matters if you if you tell me.

Brandon Handley 38:02

Yeah, I mean, so I think something I notice is just immediately, more, more centered feeling right? Less scattered, more calmness and to get togetherness, right. So feeling versus this kind of like, um, wolf feel pulled out right now. It’s just kind of

Unknown Speaker 38:30


Shannah White 38:31

Right. So, um,

Shannah White 38:38

is that exactly easy to maintain?

Brandon Handley 38:45

I don’t know. Because this is really the first time I’ve experienced it. Right. So so as you know, and this is part of, I think, the whole journey, right? Like and coming to somebody like you say, and we’ve talked about the awarenesses this is something I’d never been, has been never been brought to my attention. Mm hmm. Right. And you and it’s really hard to put your finger on something, if you’re not aware of it. Yes. So I’m feeling it. Right. And I think that there’s like some pulsating, like, urge to be like, uh, but my energy’s always all over here versus here. Right. So now I’m just paying attention to it. So I don’t know. Nice.

Shannah White 39:29

So probably what I would do is I would say, Okay, we’ll play with that for a few days. And meanwhile, we would be talking about any thing, any of your experiences you have questions about.

Shannah White 39:44

And then

Shannah White 39:47

I, so I can either just see somebody in a session, or here’s somebody a session, we do it on the phone, or I do also work with people in a different format where there’s where you have private sessions like that. On the phone or in person, and then text availability, between sessions, and then also supportive educational materials that are tailored for what somebody is working on. So and if we were working in that format, then I’d be like, okay, play with that for a few days. And, you know, let me know a couple days how that’s going, right. And then depending on what you text me, I might tweak it, or suggest the next step, as I would recommend it. So, um, my

Brandon Handley 40:31

comments was to have like, a videos too, sometimes, or just like, any type of supporting materials type of thing.

Shannah White 40:37

Sporting materials of this player are written, I do have an interest in producing video. They are usually, like, for instance,

Shannah White 40:50

a three page

Shannah White 40:54

very nice. So that I

Brandon Handley 40:57

know, I know that sometimes what I’ll do, I mean, just, from my, from what I’ll do is like, you know, similar to you, right? If somebody is going through in a different space, and like, hey, how’s that going, like, Oh, I’m feeling this way or that way. And I’m like, oh, then, you know, try out this, you know, dispenza video, or Yo, you need this Alan Watts video, or, you know, this clip, or something of that type of thing like

Shannah White 41:19

that, except that I just write it on the spot.

Brandon Handley 41:22

Okay, I love that. I love that. And, you know, I want to highlight something here that we haven’t really talked about, is that you’ve been in this space, your entire life. Right? Like, you know, you kind of grew up in like this, you know, spirituality space. And, you know, you’ve been involved with it, I think, head on for how many years now? Like, I mean,

Shannah White 41:47

25 years with sacred reality.

Brandon Handley 41:49

Right? So I mean, you know, and I like to throw that out there for like, you know, the the authority of sense so that somebody doesn’t go like, What if she started yesterday and got a, you know, got a certificate? Because, yes, listen, and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it. But I want people to understand that. You’re not dabbling in this.

Shannah White 42:09

Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I was, I guess it would be 31 years ago that I started with a course in miracles. And then, five years ago that I started the secret.

Brandon Handley 42:20

Are you still having into Of course, a miracle? So you think you got

Shannah White 42:24

I was writing about innocence. And I wanted to really cool, pull out all the nuances of my own understanding. Yeah. So. So I wanted to read about it. And I actually tried to find something out there in the world. But I found out that people actually have a surprising perception of innocence out in the world, it’s very much like, innocence is that beautiful, blissful, untainted state of childhood that then you lose it, and you can never get it back. And, and not only that, you wouldn’t want it back. Because people will just take advantage of you like it’s a weakness thing. And like, really, that’s what people think about innocence. Yeah. But I anyway, so I want to go off with

Brandon Handley 43:12

that. Where’d you land on innocence?

Shannah White 43:15

Oh, wow. So innocence.

Shannah White 43:18

Innocence is that place where it is, it’s the untainted state of mind. And children have it because they haven’t learned this trust yet. Until they do learn to this trust, and then their, their state of mind is chained to the lead of the show. So they taught to this trust. Well, they might have an experience they don’t understand that’s painful. And so they can learn to distress from that itself. But then there are people in their life to guide them. And it could be that people guide them in a way that he also does trust. But that’s not really going on, because our culture is not educated deeply enough. With with the wisdom that I think the word spiritual or super humanity stands for, to actually help a child fully resolved.

Brandon Handley 44:15

For instance, with a lot we lost half of that we got we got hold give me once. I’m going to pause this for a second record resumed. All right, awesome. So we lost two disconnected on the idea of, um, you know, the children experiencing trauma or something like that right? To?

Shannah White 44:38

Oh, okay. Okay. Right. So that you were saying that children don’t have to distressed and so I was saying that they can have a painful experience, and experience distress naturally from that. But parent or guardian, if they, if a parent or guardian can hold a space of innocence themselves. And show a child through understanding how to heal what happened for them in that painful experience, then innocence we maintain trust can be maintained. But here’s the other thing that’s really interesting is that childhood innocence tends to give trust away easily. Whereas the innocence of that we know we earn through discipline is the trust. It’s a trusting state of mind. When we give that trust to the inner voice of love, which a child doesn’t know how to do, yet, it takes

Shannah White 45:43

take something learn how to do that. Sure.

Shannah White 45:47

So So innocence is actually a strength when you can allow your mind to become peaceful and untainted. In other words, unguarded and not biased by beliefs. Just open. But, but it’s not open in a way that’s honorable, it’s open in a way that’s invulnerable. Because you’re listening inside. For that voice of love, which is state of innocence allows to happen, you actually have to practice innocence in order to discover your super humanity.

Brandon Handley 46:26

would you would you? Would you say that, um, it’s kind of like a non attachment and judgment free sense of being?

Shannah White 46:35


Brandon Handley 46:36

Right. I mean, that the innocence isn’t and then you know, again, being love emotion. No labels, no attachments, and no judgment is a kind of a state of innocence.

Shannah White 46:51

Right? Yes. Okay. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 46:55

that’s great. So

Shannah White 46:56

actually, is also allowing the voice of truth to tell you what something is.

Shannah White 47:03

Does that make sense?

Brandon Handley 47:04

Yeah. I mean, you give me an example of that. What was that? What’s that look like to you?

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Shannah White 47:10

well, what comes to mind is a very, very tiny example. Sure. I just went by really quick example. But in that moment, when you have that feeling to ask me how to grasp my name, but not in innocence would just trust that in books,

Brandon Handley 47:31

right. Yeah, sure. Yeah. I like it. Like, it’s so funny, though. It’s so funny how that happened. But yeah,

Shannah White 47:38

this this was just an example. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 47:40

like that. You’re right. Right. And it says what trust, you know, trust? And, you know, follow that up. That’s great. No, that’s perfect, right?

Shannah White 47:50

Yes. And if I might just answer your question from a few minutes ago. Um, so as part of my rumination on innocence, I did go look in A Course in Miracles which, which is an old friend, but I don’t, I have no, you know, phases where I don’t pick it up. And then I pick it up later. And oh, my God, it’s such a good book. Like, every time I go back to it, I actually get more out of it, because of the growth that I’ve experienced in between, has allowed me to come back to it and see it deeper. And then I’m like, Man, this is

Brandon Handley 48:19

good. Where was this? 20 years ago? Do you know so? Are you do you have like the the big one that’s got all three of the books? And it was it got the it’s got the text, the lessons, the daily, the daily lessons, and then it’s got the teacher mode in there as well as that, right? Yeah. So do I’ve only read it and done the lessons and by the way, like anybody that’s ever listened to this listen to this never ticked off course for articles, I highly recommend that you go through it’s one year worth of like, daily, you know, kind of lessons, really, there’s more of like, just this kind of moment to self reflect or take something in, right, just those daily lessons, but I’d have not read the or dug into the teachers aspect of it all. Do you find value in that

Shannah White 49:08

part? of book? I do? I do. I wouldn’t say I have it all committed to memory. But one thing that’s very interesting in that section is levels of trust, which has already come up in our conversation, because that’s really, what you’re what the journey is one measure of the journey. And and since you could if you could put the journey on one metric. It’s going to be the metric of what do you trust? And how is your transition of trusting the ego to trusting the voice of love going?

Brandon Handley 49:43

That’s great. That’s great. I love I love using trust as a metric. That’s cool. Very cool. So let’s talk about you know, a little bit about you know, making the mystical practical, right and Sacred reality lists, you know, what are a couple things that you do? Because that’s a big part of this podcast. Right? It’s bringing the the mystical and making it practical, right? How can you How can you take these kind of thoughts and ways of being and apply them to your daily life and have a more fulfilling life? Right. So let’s talk about a little bit of a couple of ways that you might be doing that sacred reality.

Shannah White 50:29

Okay, well, let’s see. Um, yesterday, I spent time with someone in India, he is an India. And I’m here in the United States, in New York. And this was our third chat, they were just chatting as friends, but I’m always ready to be a beginner choose, the opportunity arises. And I actually thought you might enjoy being on my email list. So I invited him to my email list. And he said that he didn’t want to be on the email list, because he was enjoying just the feeling of our organic conversation in the Facebook Messenger space. But the fact that he had this response, opened up a kind of honesty in our conversation that set a tone in his space. And so we continue to talk about things life, like dynamics and rst. But

Shannah White 51:41

I’ll actually here’s what it was, he told me.

Shannah White 51:46

He told me, we have a whole email, man email conversation, and it wasn’t a big deal. But he wanted to make sure I understood that because he didn’t want to reject me, you want me to feel rejected? And so I was explaining I feel understood. And he’s like, you know, I think I’m just weird today, because I’m feeling kind of off. I’m like, What do you mean? And he said, Well, I’m feeling like, I don’t know what I want to do. I don’t know what I don’t want to do. And I said, Would you like a suggestion? And so I, and he said, Yes. And I suggested, very much similar to what I had just guided you through. And I was focusing with him, I was focusing on the breath as the navigating agent for the feeling. And she didn’t want to do it, actually, because he could feel that there was going to be a bunch of emotion underneath the surface. So then, okay, fine. You don’t have to do it. But our conversation continued, and a little bit later in the conversation. Oh, yeah, that’s right. So he said, You know, I will say one thing, which is, I experienced you like a candle in the darkness. Why is that? And so I started to talk about I asked him some questions. But I also started to talk about holding the space of truth, energy, because that’s my understanding. That’s my feeling of what he’s feeling. And, and then, so as we’re just exploring this topic, then he comes back around, and he says, and as far as that breathing, feeling, exercise goes, it feels to me like holding your hand and going to sleep in this deep peace.

Shannah White 53:46


Shannah White 53:49

he felt he has not felt, in fact, our entire relationship started because I posted about innocence. And he wanted to talk to me about it. And he said, I I lost innocence, and I will never have it again. So that’s what are Are those the beginning of our relationship some weeks ago, but here in this moment together, just being really honest about what’s coming up between us. She actually found a place where he felt the peace of God or the peace of truth for the first time. And he did not expect to ever feel that or anything like that.

Brandon Handley 54:29

And that’s also like the the space of innocence. Right? So it was talking about, okay,

Shannah White 54:35

yes. And he felt it very briefly that he said that it was deep and real. And so why is this mystical? Right. I didn’t talk to him even though I was sharing with him about the energy that I’m that I’m holding that he’s feeling. The reason that he felt it is because I was holding So we were having a conversation that’s bringing his understanding along. But the actual the actual communication that allowed him to experience that level of peace was the fact that I was holding a frequency. And as he’s talking to me, his intuition, which is our intuition is always operating, even if we don’t know how to do it on purpose, right? his intuition is picking up this frequency of truth from my energy field, even though we’re seven or 8000 miles apart. And he allowed himself in that moment, after talking, he got to feel like okay, I can trust to just feel this for this moment. And, and then he felt it. So this is the beginning. I mean, that’s what of course, miracles calls miracle is when love enter someone’s perception and changes it. And in fact, of course, in miracles says that that is a huge time saver.

Shannah White 56:09

Sure, alters time. Right.

Brandon Handley 56:12

All right. That’s all just matter of perception. Right? So that’s awesome. So this is what you do. Right? This is this is kind of a, you know, you’re out there creating super humanity, people. And you’re helping others out there making the mystical, practical. And I think that, you know, seems like you’re doing a great job, you seems like you’re, you’re happy with what you do, right? And this way, like, I still remember when we first we first connected, we talked to Matt, this is a life that you’ve always led. And I love that, too, because because it’s, um, you always hear somebody say, well make sure you didn’t put your ladder up against the wrong wall. Or a ladder in life. And here, you know, in my humble opinion, you know, you put your ladder up against a great wall, right? Because at the end of the day, you know, you’re out there and you’re being of service, but you’re, you know, not being a servant. Right. Like, you know, there’s, I think there’s a big difference in that. And I think that that’s also a challenge

Unknown Speaker 57:21

for another

Brandon Handley 57:22

another day, but, you know, for when you come into this space, you talked about, you know, letting go of all the things and giving all the things away and wanting to be of service, but like, you still need to be of service to yourself. Right? It’s Jerry,

Shannah White 57:38

actually say two things that come to mind based on what you just said. One is that, absolutely, I have to stay in my own alignment. So if I’m feeling like I need to go to sleep, and someone wants to be talking to me on Facebook Messenger, the thing I need to do is go to sleep, because if I don’t, I’m actually going to a won’t be able to hold the space that I bought for them, I will start to feel resentful. subtly, but nonetheless resentful, because why? Because I’m not respecting myself. So it does start with a very solid foundation of listening inside and respecting what I hear, which includes time of asleep.

Unknown Speaker 58:25


Shannah White 58:26

yeah. And I will say also, that is not just, it’s not just the energy space that I hold, which is not a property of my own. It’s also that listening. That’s what that’s what the energy is, actually if I stopped listening, then the my energy will go flat. Hmm. So it’s the fact that he writes something. And then I feel inside myself. What my responses? And if I think it, it’s going to come out flat. Sure. So So yes, has to take care of itself. And here’s the other thing that I find really interesting and important. I did run across on Facebook, a they call it some kind of association for spiritual ethics. And they have an interesting and potentially worthwhile mission, which is that they want to get I guess, there’s some people who can find themselves in an inappropriate relationship with someone who was a spiritual guide for them and and then they feel like you’re hurt, whatever is going on out there. That’s what they’re trying to protect people from and they want to give guidelines like this is the way it should look. So it looks different than this. Maybe you need to reconsider. And sure people need help processing contrast to make healthier choices in their experiences. That’s totally fine. Fine. But one of the features of this organization is that someone who serves the public in a spiritual capacity could become certified by this ethics Association, which means that they answer to that ethics Association. And I thought to myself immediately, I said, No, no, no, I don’t answer to anyone but God. Like, I’m listening to love inside. And I will say and do as love directs me to do, I’m not going to sign up with some human run rulebook. completely the opposite of what it means to be in the flow, even though the character of love matches what they’re trying to resemble. With their roots.

Brandon Handley 1:00:53

For me, I listen, it’s not a soft, the worst thing, right? Because, you know, you and, and I could feel that way. You know, I operate out of a place of love. Whereas, you know, there’s, there are the people out there that take advantage of others, and use this way of being in somehow, right, in a malicious way. Right, in a way that self serving and, and, you know, we talked a little bit, just a moment ago about, you know, a lot, you know, aligning ourselves and whatnot, but not to the detriment of others. Right. When you and I are talking about, you know, becoming into alignment with self, we’re talking about how do I, you know, you know, spend time in my love being whatever that looks like to you, right, you know, love and motion as it were versus You know, this this kind of morphic space where you can create it, and you can have everybody inviting, get all this sense of being, but then, you know, basically, you’re creating a cult, right, and you’re like, hey, follow me, this is the only way to be you can’t deviate from what I’ve just told you. And you know, and you’re sucked in, right? And you’re sucked in. And so that, to me, you know, if somebody’s got a certificate, at least, like, burned by this before, I’m not doing it again, right type of thing comes from it sounds like it’s not the worst thing.

Shannah White 1:02:25

It’s, it comes from a good intention, for sure. It might help some people out there

Brandon Handley 1:02:30

that are upset. I know how you said to is it resonates with love, right? Just you know, from a place of love, but

Shannah White 1:02:37

it’s also true that, that anyone who is hoping to grow spiritually into actualize super humanity and their self experience, the authority is within. So a mentor, such as myself, and I understand that you mentor people as well. is a is a guide. Right? But if you give, whether that guide is acting in a holy fashion or an unholy fashion, whether they, you know, morph themselves into an ego picture of spirituality, and they’re acting that out for themselves in their own karmic cycle, we still have to, or whether they’re acting like Jesus, we still have to, as someone who’s being mentored, we still have to look within this, like, you know, we have to feel what’s right. So if something doesn’t feel right, and then the other person says, No, no, it is right. You gotta just leave. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:03:44

Yeah. And but it can be tough, right? It can be it can be really tough again, you know, we, you know, go back to the beginning of, you know, losing that son, you know, losing that selfishness sense of, of, you know, too many variables. Right. And that’s the thing, too many variables. And if you have never experienced, even trusting yourself, right, that’s, again, that’s that that point that’s that that’s that tilting point that I was talking about in the in the book, Foursquare’s power, of coming to courage, right, because everything under courage is is doubt, fear, all these other things because you haven’t stepped into and realized your true potential. You’re, you know, birthright as it were, all those things.

Shannah White 1:04:34

That’s true. I have another thing to add, actually, because then this connects to what we were talking about before, like creating. And I can speak from my own experience this way too, because I had a relationship not with a spiritual mentor, but I had a relationship that before, before I really came home to prioritizing voice of love inside myself. There was this relationship with Were love was outside. And even though I was trying to work everything in a spiritual way, like really work hard at my life and in spiritual ways, but I still had this perception of love outside myself. And, and I attracted to myself, the perfect partner to act out a painful experience. Right, right. And so even when we’re not relaxing and flowing in the ocean of God’s creative thoughts, we’re still creating because we are created in likeness and image. So our mind is creative, when we have a thought that connects with a feeling gets impressed in the magnetic component of our mind, and then that starts to magnetize something to us. So I hope if, if my desire can bless anyone, I hope that people who have found themselves in a harmful relationship of any kind, whether it’s with a spiritual mentor, or not a spiritual mentor, that they find the presence of self reflection, to use the opportunity that’s given to them, that where they’re resonating with something that they become attracted to, and they’ve attracted to themselves. And if they can recognize that they can take the opportunity to become empowered through growing through that experience, rather than disempowered thinking you’re a victim of it.

Brandon Handley 1:06:35

Yeah, I mean, that’s not that’s all along the path. Right. That’s all the quote that that’s the quote unquote, the process,

Unknown Speaker 1:06:41

right? Yes. Yes. That’s

Brandon Handley 1:06:42

the process. So when people are talking, I always ask people that because they’ll say what’s the process? trust the process? was, I mean to you? Right, because I think it can mean a lot of different things. I think you just described the process fairly well. So where can we send people to connect with you?

Shannah White 1:06:59

Um, people can go to sacred and my coaching profiles on there and because send an email through the contact form.

Shannah White 1:07:10

I could also give my email address. Does that make sense?

Unknown Speaker 1:07:15

If you want to Yeah.

Shannah White 1:07:16

Okay, great. Anyway, you want people to connect with you? Very good. That’s Shama s h a n n. h. at Sacred reality. Work is my email address and I’m also on Facebook. I’m Shawna dot white that three

Brandon Handley 1:07:33

nice way. I just want to say thank you so much for hopping on today. Love the conversation. I think this is a one where we could go for hours right type of conversations. So I appreciate the depth of your knowledge and you know, the things that you shared with us today and hope that the people that are listening out there they they took something away from this guy, thank you, you offer quite a lot. So thank you.

Shannah White 1:07:57

Thank you so much for having

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