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All right, spiritual dope, what is going on today? Today we are on chapter six. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar? Rao? Again, just just just a great book. We’re on chapter six. This is which addresses this is I’m sorry about that.

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We,

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you live in a me centered universe, right? You live in a me centered universe. And we are on part two. And I believe we ended at the end of where we ended up, we ended. There we go, we ended up surrender to the universe last time, right. So

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what we’ve got here are,

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we had an exercise, but here’s a couple helpful Hansen. A big part of it. Maybe I said it last time, maybe I didn’t, I don’t recall. But you know, it bears repeating. It’s a consider in when you’re surrendering to the universe, and you’re working with everybody. And when you go forward with your intention, consider an idea that there’s a there’s a resolution where all parts are better off, everybody is better off. Right. And it may not be readily visible. One of the things that I studied over the past couple years is just negotiation. And there’s the the idea of pizza. And there’s two people that that want a pizza, there’s 100% of a pizza, right? But how about the idea that maybe this is a mushroom pizza, and maybe one person loves mushrooms but hates the crust? And the other person only likes

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crust?

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So what do you do, we give one person 100% of what they like off of that pizza, right, they get, they get the crust, and the other person gets the entire pizza with, with the mushrooms, right? So you get 200% out of that pizza, then you get 200% of that pizza. And, and both people get 100% of what they like. So there’s opportunity all over the place out there for everybody to get all of what they want. The problem is, is most people don’t take that extra effort to kind of dig into it and figure out what that extra could be for the other person or what is that 100% for the other person. So as we move on, right, so that was a helpful hint for for that as we move on. We go into the idea that his surrender is not a passive experience. There is not passive acceptance, right? You’re not gonna just accept injustice as it comes along. And and, you know, look, there may be times where you stand up, and you stand up for the injustice, maybe you see some injustice at work. And, you know, maybe you rally the troops, and you go to stand up for that injustice, but it doesn’t work out as a matter of fact, for some reason, somehow, you end up getting punished for this adult, the idea is like don’t don’t get, you know, all sad and mopey. And, you know, dejected. Take a look at what you did. Think about what you did well, in that you stood up for injustice, right? You rally the troops, maybe maybe it was the actions in particular that they went awry. Or maybe it was the overall approach. Maybe it was the actual group of people. So maybe next time you re approach it with a different tactic or a different strategy and maybe maybe a different maybe a different set of people. So the other thing is, are you in this is it when you set out to do something that doesn’t work in your favor? Do you need to you need to try and figure out how you can simply let it go with out the emotional baggage. All right, I know that we talked a little bit about just you don’t want to be sad, morose, you don’t want to, you know kind of be attached to that thing. And then, you know, the negative emotions when you can let go of those negative emotions. It’s literally like a force multiplier. Imagine how much weight would be lifted off of your chest. If you if you could just let go of the negativity, right, you’ve got to deal with it. nobody’s saying you don’t have negative emotions. It’s not letting them drag you down and get all mired up in it. So the sooner you can let go of those and and move forward right in a positive manner and positivity meaning forward motion forward momentum, not simply like, oh, everything’s all fucking rosy and cheery. It’s a move forward. Right. And at some point, at some point, it’s gonna feel like the universe is actually working with you is actually dancing with you. It’s such a it’s a kind of a Beautiful Thing when it happens. And when it happens, this goes back to the chapter on miracles and being able to recognize that you are working in tandem with the universe to create these miracles. That’s a beautiful dance scenario. And listen, this may take years, it’s going to take years, I don’t know, most most people, it’s going to take years, it’s going to take time to get better and better and better at it, and perhaps even decades deal is you got to persist, you got to keep up on it. And you cannot fail, right? If this is your approach, if you’re letting go of negative emotions, if you’re working towards the greater good for everybody, then you really can’t, you can’t fail. So it gives an exercise of the other sensitive universe. So you’re going to pick one, you’re gonna pick one week, we picked to one hour time slots, where whatever it is that you do, you were doing for the sole benefit of others involved, right, you’re going to listen actively. And what that means is you’re going to listen, to listen, not to respond. Another way of active listening is, and this is I forget the name of the book, motivational interviewing, really great book that was created for

addictions. And people in rehab, however, is very useful in coaching. And anywhere really, you teaches you how to actively listen very well. So you’ll listen to somebody, they’ll talk, maybe you’ll ask him a couple questions. And it’s a little It is like he Miller’s the author. So one of the things that he recommends, and this is listen for for two lines, and then you’ll kind of reflect back to them. Right? Listen, question, question, reflect back actively, you know, what you just heard summarize it. And there’s different ways to do that. So, but while you’re doing that, too, you will think of ways that you can be of service to them? How can you help this person move forward, again, you know, positive momentum, or, you know, deal with their situation, or just, maybe you’re just there to listen, and that’s okay, too. So you’re going to practice, you can practice this with strangers anonymously, right? You don’t have to tell somebody that you’re doing this and you can you can you think of ways that you can be service to them, and you just go do it. And what you want to do is you want to take me my an eye out of the picture while you’re listening. So, you know, especially those variables, and then don’t just go give everything away, right, don’t just let it all go. Given this comes from Buddhism, and you give with wisdom, right, you know, give with wisdom give with, like, where you you feel like, it’s going to have the most impact and, and that’s one way to kind of approach that as well. Be creative, there’s so many ways that you can go out there and you know, help make somebody’s day or help this, you know, person out and in a one hour time slot. And so ideally each day, you know, so you’re going to do that, right. And then there’s other pieces, so each day, deliberately and consciously do more than one thing to make the world a little bit better. One of the ways that that I found are a couple of ways, especially given our social media nature is hey, you know, go out there and given give out some LinkedIn recommendations, right? Maybe you’ve got a friend that’s written a book, go leave Amazon book review. Maybe you have a friend who’s got an Etsy shop, share their shop, buy something from them. Maybe again, that’s the you know, same for people that have written a book, a friend of yours writes a book, don’t ask for them to give you a copy, buy a copy, support them. That’s what support is support isn’t reading it for free. It’s going out there and you know, how can you support that person and give them some encouragement to help move them forward? I’ll be practical and empathize. Your attitude I’ve got here in parentheses is is actually your approach. So attitude is actually your approach. It is super important to not expect gratitude from others for what you’ve done, rather be grateful that they have allowed you to serve them. Right be grateful they’ve accepted your gifts. You know, essentially with the universe moving through you creative source moving through you has given you the capacity to gift to that person. So you’re able to serve and that is a gift right that they’re they’re giving you a gift by by allowing you to serve each day make someone’s day is another piece of this. Hi, again, I go back to the LinkedIn recommendation somebody on Facebook, so on Insta share their share their post, make a comment You know, show them that they’re not alone and whatever it is that they’re going for and doing. That’s these are super simple ways that you can help make someone’s day friend alien that I’m doing this with, you know, she writes, she writes a newsletter, maybe you get somebody newsletter reply back to the newsletter, and and say, Hey, I really appreciate you know what you wrote here today, thanks for sharing. And oh, I didn’t see it. From my perspective, just a little bit of there are so many I know, there’s so many newsletters out there and so many materials out there. But some of these are genuine and written from the heart and not strictly written to get you into their program. Right. Some of these are true, true things. So what do we got here? That’s one way you can make someone’s day, eventually, you know, this practice becomes a part of your life. It’s not just, it’s not just Hey, I did this for the one week. Now, how many of these can string together? Like with meditation with exercise? How many of these great moments Can you string together in your life? Where it’s consistent, and it’s a steady flow of the universe giving through you to how cool is that, right?

So the idea, though, is that this is true of all the practices in this book. This isn’t just for the duration of going through this book or doing these exercises. It’s for the rest of your life, right? I mean, it says, you know, appearance isn’t something that’s going to happen in days or weeks. Now, that being said, you will notice, like almost immediately the benefits, but imagine, you know, just how great the benefits are in such a short period of time. Right? Well, those benefits be over time. However, there’s benefits pay over time. So it’s common for this is under helpful hands. As we finish up the exercise of the other centered universe, it is common for others to feel dejected, if they do not get the response that they’re looking for. Now, listen, if this happens to you stop, stop at. Focus on how you are feeling. When you do what you set out to do. Focus on how you’re feeling when you are giving or when you are in the process of doing it. Not so much the outcome. Obviously, you want to give the gift you want to serve in some capacity and manner. It’s while you are doing that, that you feel great. And oftentimes, you know, if somebody does react positively, you’re great. And you know, that’s a good feeling. But if if they aren’t responding the way that you feel like they should just stop it, relax, chill. Let’s step back a second focus on what it is that you set out to do. What was your intention when you got out there to go do it and eventually, you will find joy in what you do, and not the results that you get. I think that that bears repeating, you will find joy in what you do, not the results that you get. So there’s always some way to make someone’s day Don’t be lazy, figure it out. And then finally, you know, keep a journal so you can flip back and reflect on how this process has been working out for you. So had to whip through that one wanted to get it out there for you. This weekend will be the release of Sreekumar Rao’s podcast super excited about that, as I have been with so many others in and this is it’s it’s interesting the journey that this podcast is going on. So anyways, take it easy, don’t have a sign off and we’ll chat later.

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These two books will help with the concept of surrender in greater depth and detail.

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What is happenin? spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here, voice of a generation as we jump into yet another chapter of Are you ready to succeed? Hello, you know this was already ready to succeed is by Sreekumar Rao. And I love how has pm a lot of gruesome conversations with her. She says this is a there’s kind of it’s in my voice, right? How am I seeing this and what is what is my take on it in all honesty to like this, this, this just helps me to dig deeper into the content helps me to get closer and more personal with this content. And hopefully, you know, hopefully it’s something that brings you some value, right? Hopefully, this is something that

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once you’ve been introduced to it, it has a tremendous impact on you, just like it has had on me over the years. And you get some big takeaways. So what we’re going to talk about today is chapter number six. Your me centered universe creates the stress in your life. He says, Hey, you live in a me centered universe. I still remember first time I saw this as like direct attack, shots fired man street from our man. It’s not cool. But it’s true, right? No matter what happens to another, you worry about how it is going to impact you. No matter what happens, you know, something happens to your wife, your son, your daughter, your mother, you’re like, well, geez, how’s this going to impact the rest of my day?

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I’m guilty, definitely guilty of it. This is inclusive of your altruistic measures. Anything, anything that you feel like you’re doing altruistically, more often than not, you’re like, Well, you know, how are people gonna see me out to this outcome? What are people gonna think of me? And I remember when I first started my journey of, you know, kind of social networking and getting out there it was, it was, it was so it was for a reaction.

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Did this was soccer coaching, I was like, Well, I’m gonna go to soccer coaching so that I can network and possibly meet people and further my career versus, hey, go out there and do this for the right reasons.

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Nonetheless, you know,

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it’s still, I still still got out there to the coach, and I still had a good time. But I didn’t, you know, it wasn’t wasn’t with my heart in the right place that time, same thing, you know, with Toastmasters and other functions. So definitely done things myself, historically. And even to this date, where even if I feel like it’s for a good thing,

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sometimes there’s something

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backed into it that says, this is this is for me, and the the outcome that I’m looking for.

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We don’t want to hear, but it’s true. But it’s true. It’s true. So he launches into you know, a real simple exercise that you can do, just to see how this shows up in your life. So this should be super easy for anyone right now out there using zoom or Microsoft Teams, or, or anything, right, simply record a call that you’re having, and listen to how often you say, me, I or my, I should go check out you know, my podcasts I’ve done for interviews, right? How often How often do I say I’m here? Or am I right?

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And, you know, reflecting even right now, I’m sitting here reflecting on I’m like, yeah, we’ll want to do it aren’t aren’t I just trying to engage or share an experience? And maybe not right, you know, inherently made. That’s just the ego showing up. I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist. So listen, this is a big one, this so this one’s super, this one’s super helpful. says, Hey, you know, this is we’re gonna talk about the stress in your life. Right, Jay, and again, you are me centered universe is what really is the creator of all this stress in your life. And when I walked you through this, when I walk you through this, you’re gonna you’re gonna be like, Oh,

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just way I’ve been right. So Sreekumar walks you through this, it says, you know, things are always going on. And you were always, always going to react to them. The thing is, you’re not, you’re not reacting so much to the event itself. What you’re doing is that you are reacting to the potential future outcomes. Now you’re worried about what’s going to happen. If it doesn’t work out in the way that you want it to.

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or the give much thought about it. Honestly, you hardly give much thought about it working out the way that you want it to.

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And that’s because oftentimes, it seems seems like the universe is against you, right? And look, it’s tough to accept

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Thing is, you know, this even this even seems to compound and cause more stress, right? Because you’re like this is, you know, I want it to work out this way. You are you’re you have a desire for a specific outcome and you believe that should you follow XYZ steps, the universe

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should fucking reciprocate. Right? And then it does it. And then it does not reciprocate. So you

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take it personally.

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How often you know, I can’t stand? I can’t stand the acronym FML you know, people were like, Fuck my life and I really wasn’t what a guy hates me or maybe Yeah, then I’ve been I’ve certainly been guilty of being like, man, it feels like me against the world, right? judge you against the world fucking you against the world. God hates you called another shit. just doesn’t make sense. Fuck my life. So when you react to these events, you know, it’s it’s, it’s because

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you have expectations for everything. for everyone. And oftentimes, these expectations are communicated right? You just feel like these things should just kind of act out the way that they want again.

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You’re like, hey, universe, this is how it should supposed to work and yada, yada. And then it doesn’t, you’re like, well, you’re just fucking pissy about it. So you expand a ton of energy trying to get others to conform to your expectations, right? And then when you feel like you aren’t being heard, you turn up the volume and extra notch, you expand even more energy and then the results still do not change.

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The universe, man Geez, right, right. And then it’s like, Hey, I go on vacation and it rains, I go, I go to catch my bus. I missed the bus. My bonus wasn’t what I expected and the whole the whole universe always against me not and then then. And then then this is where the compounding comes in, then you punish yourself. You become uptight, you become anxious, you become irritable, you’re depressed or sit around and like you just, you just morose right and just feeling awful. And then

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essentially, like, you know what, you take it out on those that are that are close by, right, you withdraw emotionally. And you stop spending time with those that are close to you generally unhappy. I still remember I still remember that this was

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to a tee. This was how I wanted my first podcast coach, I wanted to coach with Sam Crowley.

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You know, I that’s exactly how I treated me because I didn’t you know, she didn’t react the way that I wanted her to.

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And I recall feeling this way. At the same time. You know, it was during that time that I was feeling that way. I was like, You know what, this is? The I did I put it back on me I was like this, you know, she just was acting in the way that she thought was

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best for us and our family. And I had to I had to I had to go and understand that and so I let go of it. And, you know, eventually, you know, we agreed to go ahead and take the podcast coach, but that wasn’t before I became emotionally withdrawn, stop spending time. You know, with her, I was just generally unhappy right now, you know, I don’t know that I punished myself so much. I punished her and the family because of it. And that’s not fair. Right? That’s not fair.

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So, you know,

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Sreekumar Rao causes a very toxic cocktail. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. But you know, he goes the good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. Now, the first thing you’re thinking to yourself probably is that

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you’re going to give up all expectations, right? That’s what that’s just not possible. That’s just not possible. Everything. Every action you take, there’s that there’s expected outcome. You go to fry an egg, you expect it to fry right? The problem isn’t so much with the expectations as it is with the reaction to the outcomes. Now let’s just take a look and just say hey, look, you have a limited control over yourself really you do and you and then you have literally no control over the outcomes.

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I can’t really I mean, I can think of a million things right you even just like if you start off the day with a schedule events are planned and you think of even mike tyson is like everybody’s got a plan until you get punched in the face right.

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So whatever your outcome desired outcome is

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In the actions you start take towards that sometimes your day ends up, you know, just like I said, you start off your day with a plan and your day just ends up turning out completely different than you had thought that it might turn out.

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You know, so he says, Hey, you, you do something with the desired outcome of a more often than not, you get result B, C, D, E, or even f. So, if that’s all going on, how do I prevent, you know, the toxic feelings you might be asking? So one of the things that you can do is just accept whatever outcome occurs, right, then whatever it is, this is the outcome, that’s the outcome, there’s not a whole lot, you know, that you can tie your energy up with the the outcome, especially, you know, if it’s, if it didn’t happen the way you wanted it to, we’ll pocket I mean, there it is. You can’t change the past.

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Except whatever the outcome is, hopefully, you can do it cheerfully. You know, there it is, I knew it wasn’t what I was expecting. And he says better yet.

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If you can actually embrace the outcomes,

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I don’t know of any scenario.

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I can think of plenty of scenarios, actually, you know, I think about even being let go from Cisco a couple years ago, I

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felt like a weight the way the world was lifted off my shoulder, actually, I didn’t brace it, I was like, great, you know, now Now, this gives me time to kind of go fine and opens me up to go do something different, find what I really want to do, or just try something different.

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Total, totally unburdened by something. And then, you know, the idea is, just doesn’t mean you compromise your values, right? This doesn’t mean like you, you sit there and you watch injustice, go on, etc. And then I’ll throw this out there. As a side note, if you’ve never done a values exercise, you should check those out. And if you want to do one with me, reach out right reach out. Brandon at spiritual dope, co or hit me up on Facebook or Instagram. That’s something that you’re interested in. I think that I think it provides a lot of value if you go through it.

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Do the work, right. Good thing bad thing. Who knows? What’s the time around this one so far? Guys? 12 minutes, a little rushed through it. I want to get to a piece at the end here. That I think is gonna be beneficial to a couple people I had mentioned that I was going to be doing this one because people are looking for patience and how do you kind of you know, seriously let go and and not be so uptight and strung the fuck out. This is very helpful. Once you kind of begin to employ this practice in your own life, so it goes good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Any time that you have an outcome, you see an outcome, you assign it a label, you say hey, this is good or bad.

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There’s a little Sufi tale that he shares in the book and basically, you know, it’s uh,

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you know, a farmer

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loses his mayor. And, or stallion, whatever loses a horse. And people are like, Oh, that’s terrible. And you know, the old guy goes, that good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Next thing, you know, the horse comes back with, you know, 10 others, and he’s able to get them all locked in pretty well. And people are like, yeah, yeah, well, that’s good. He goes, good thing bad thing. Who knows? Then, you know, his son, you know, breaks, you know, get gets a horse horse tramples on his leg breaks his leg, you know, so he’s maimed and lame, can’t walk, you know, well for the rest of his life. And people go Oh, man, that’s what a shame when he goes out good thing bad thing knows. Well, the next thing that happens is that

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you know, the army is running around collecting soldiers, and they’re taking all of the able bodied men. Well, they can’t take his son because he’s got you know,

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can’t he’s got a lame leg. So you know, it goes on infinitum. Just in that way, you know, people like good thing and he’s again, good thing bad thing. Who knows? You don’t know what’s gonna happen and essentially, you know, take stock of your current life take stock of where you are right now. What do you have that you feel is good or bad? The question is, how can you be so certain that it is good or bad? Is it possible

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that you just don’t know right? Don’t know how this whole thing ends up. So

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I think is a you know better just to kind of accept kind of what’s there in front of you. So it gives, it gives an exercise, right? exercise of good thing bad thing recommends that you look back through your life. Look, the things that you once deemed as a bad thing

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has

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That thing in fact, over time become lemonade. He does recommend that you know, leave leaves the super painful shit alone, right? He doesn’t say I say like that. But he says a nicer leave the super painful shit alone. All right. But you know what what can you make lemonade out of what have you already made lemonade out of if you go back and you look over your life.

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Finally, not the last part in this chapter. But the last part I’m going to do for today. This is the surrender to the universe. exercise a little bit more than exercise. But essentially, most people believe it Where we at, again takes take a look back, right and see what kind of bad things have actually become good things. If we look over COVID, maybe something good has actually come out of that. If you look over jobs, good or bad, maybe something good has come out of that. And essentially, the stress in your life is caused by your reactions to not getting what you want.

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And you can eliminate like nearly all of this by surrendering it to universe and Sreekumar Hales This is one of the most powerful pieces in the book. And to be 100% honest with you.

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Two or three years had to go by and I’ve had to read, I’ve had to read two other books. Before I even caught just how powerful this was, in my own life. And in this book, but those two books that I’ve read, just to share is Hawkins surrender and

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Michael singer surrender experiment. I think those are really two good books that really go deep on surrender.

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So if you don’t get this concept immediately, if you pick up the book, and you don’t get it, then check out those two books. And I think it will help explain a little bit more. He says, and this is true, you know, if you can surrender to the universe, you will eliminate 90% of your stress.

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90%

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that’s nearly all of it. Right? That’s, that’s a lot, a lot. So, look, you’ve you’ve been led to believe your entire life, that surrender is for the weak. Listen, you’re not playing dead, you’re still setting your agenda for what you want to happen. What you’re giving up and what you’re surrendering?

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Are the predetermine expectations. So what do you do, you still take all of your actions with a clear understanding of what you would like to have happen.

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And this is a piece that maybe you haven’t done before, but you consciously whiz for benefit to all parties involved. Oh, everybody, every fucking buddy. All right, recognize your actions are only one possible way to achieve the outcomes. Right, you have a limited understanding of all the forces at play. What this makes me think of is, is like the Bible, right?

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scripture, I don’t even know where it comes from, or where the lines come from. But you know, he has ways which you don’t know of like then yet again, I always throw this out there. You don’t even know how you’re alive. How does DNA work? Nobody knows the exact specifics of how things work. So recognize that your actions are only one of the possible ways to achieve the outcomes that you’re looking for. And let go. I can like go go do what you’re trying to do. But then like go, right.

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Don’t go chasing it with like, extra attachment strings, just like all pull at you after what you’ve just done. So detach yourself from the outcome. accept whatever comes again, cheerful, if possible. And if it’s possible, to welcome the results wholeheartedly. Then your your perspective on them will be transformed. 100% right. It’s a whole new event. That’s that’s happening and unfolding right in front of you

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detaching yourself from the outcomes Sreekumar says is it’s it’s skill, like riding a bike. The primary reason you haven’t done it up until now, you hadn’t thought about you didn’t think it was possible. And this may be the first time that you’ve considered the possibility that you can detach yourself from the outcomes and let go of that fucking stress.

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Because you believe that the outcomes should be what dictates your reaction, right? You don’t get something you’re sad. You get something and you’re happy. And you also believe that the older you get, the less things go your way. Well, no, no, that’s great. This isn’t that’s not it, right actions are within your control.

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The outcomes are not however,

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reactions are within your control if you decide to seize control, and that’s, that’s going to take, that’s what’s going to take practice. That’s the skill you need to develop.

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And let’s see, I think that that’s going to close it for Oh, wait, yeah. So that was the process of surrender that need to go through. So surrendering to the universe, letting go of the outcomes, detaching yourself from the outcomes is really the key. key piece. Not really yes and no.

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Yes, like but it’s not detachment with everybody go fuck themselves kind of thing. It’s detachment with

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wishing a good intent to everybody involved. And I think that one is the difference maker in this whole thing. All right, guys. Stay tuned a little bit later this week, I will get the rest of chapter six out there. There’s still quite a bit more

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potent material. Probably a quick one after that, because we will do some exercises. A couple more exercises and just a few more pages to dig into here for you guys. Hopefully, you are enjoying Are you ready to succeed in the voice of spiritual dope, hopefully you’re enjoying everything that’s going on out there. This is 2021

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and it has literally already begun.

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Krista Xiomara is a writer, blogger, podcast host, poet, and author. Krista lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog Penny Moon and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings, and speaking engagements. Her first non-fiction book, “The Alchemy of Kindness” focuses on helping individuals move from self-rejection to self-love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self-compassion to create and sustain long-term unconditional positive regard for oneself.

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Website: www.iamkristaxiomara.com

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Today I am on with my guest, Krista zetta mata on Ted’s butchered it, but I did my best. She is a writer, a blogger, a podcast host poet and author, Krystal lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog, Penny moon, and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings and speaking engagements. Her first nonfiction book, the alchemy of kindness focuses on helping individuals move from self rejection, to self love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self compassion to create and sustain long term unconditional, positive regard of oneself. Woof, we got through it. So welcome to the podcast. And thanks for being here today.

Krista Xiomara 0:56
Thank you for having me, Brandon.

Brandon Handley 0:59
Absolutely, absolutely. So I always start us off with the idea that spirit the universe speaks through us, right? There’s this inherent message that’s coming through us today, specifically through you, that is for somebody who’s listening. What is that message?

Krista Xiomara 1:23
I think for me, the message is always about homecoming to ourselves. Because we are living in a world that is constantly taking us away from ourselves and asking us to be something other than ourselves. And so I think in the vein of my book, my podcast, my own journey, it all comes back to I really, truly believe that the path to enlightenment is the path of self love and self return to oneself. I think there’s no higher purpose we all have in this life, except for returning to ourselves so that we might love and greet the world from a very different place than it usually asks us to.

Brandon Handley 2:16
That’s a fantastic message. It really is what it is. And you know, of course, the first thing that jumps out to someone that’s not in this is I mean, look, even for myself, I’d run around and and she told me years ago, that you had to go on a journey to find yourself and be like, Well, you’re right there. Where do you need to go? Right. So what do you mean by you know, there’s that I love it. What says but what is what do you mean by this journey to ourselves, return to oneself within that?

Krista Xiomara 2:45
Yeah, so I, I referenced in my book, and in the podcast, oftentimes this extended metaphor that I like to call the puzzle. And it’s this idea that we come into this world as a fully formed puzzle. And we get thrown into our families and society and to relationship with other people. And immediately when we land in our family, our family starts to take some of the puzzle pieces out to match with their puzzle pieces. Sometimes they don’t like the way your puzzle pieces look. So they they chuck them. And when you grow into adulthood, you will look into the mirror. And you will see that not only are you missing puzzle pieces, but your own pieces are disorganized and out of place. And my podcasts that centers around the idea of personal development and spirituality, which inevitably, continually cross over one another. If you go on either of those paths, they both cross each other over and in our human experience in coming home to ourselves. Part of that homecoming is about going and finding our puzzle pieces that were chucked out the window, finding puzzle pieces that that actually make a better mosaic of what we actually landed in in this life, and then putting ourselves back together as our authentic, beautiful whole selves. Because we arrived here hole, and the world tells us we’re not that tells us we’re broken. It tells us we’re damaged. It tells us we’re not good enough. It tells us we’re not thin enough. But we land literally in this human form as these beautiful whole human creatures. And to me, enlightenment in this age is about ascending beyond our current culture, and living so at peace with ourselves that we create piece around us.

Brandon Handley 4:54
That’s great. So when you talk about these puzzle pieces, and you’re telling the story, I always think about Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall All the King’s Men, right? And so it’s kind of similar, right? Like you’re the only one that can put all your pieces back together. Right? You’re the only one that recognizes even your own pieces. Right? And you also are the only one that has capability to recognize that this this, this picture is complete.

Krista Xiomara 5:19
Exactly. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 5:22
Yeah. So. So let’s talk for a second on on your podcast. I’m so jealous of the name of the podcast. I really am. It’s so simple. But it’s an it’s so but it’s so perfect. What’s the name of your podcast?

Krista Xiomara 5:36
The podcast is called I’m awake. Now what?

Brandon Handley 5:39
Man is genius, right? So how did you know first of all, how did you discover that you were a personally awake? How do you define awake? And then what made you decide to be a voice for that?

Krista Xiomara 5:52
Yeah. So as many people who’ve listened to the podcast know that my journey started out, in a very weird offshoot of Catholicism growing up that was based a lot in conformity, fear and submission and denial of my own humanity and my gender, essentially. And towards the end of my 20s, I started to question start questioning a lot of things. And I started to look at the way the church taught, and the way I grew up, and the people that taught me my Christian values, and they weren’t in alignment with each other. There was a lot of contradictions, there was like a lot of loopholes, and I’m very much a type a person, and I very much love rules. And so I one day just realized there are all these rules in the Catholic Church that people are supposed to follow. And maybe people are following them to like 45 to 50%. Like maybe that’s, that’s really giving a lot of credit to a lot of people. And like, what is the point of all of this then? And that was like the first breaking I was like the first cracking open of my conditioning, my cultural and religious conditioning, where I started to question like, Well, what does this all mean? What What do I believe, and I basically pulled myself out of my religious experience, and found myself in a yoga Ashram. And that’s when I realized that in my conditioning, I was asleep. And I would refer to myself as a sleep walker or a sheeple. And then when I came onto the yogic path, I realized that there was this other more inviting, more self led way to be in relationship with yourself, the world and God. And I realized that was an awakened state and awakened a way of being with yourself. In addition to that those people that I met in that yoga ashram, were so at peace, and within so much harmony with themselves, that I knew that’s what I wanted, I could point to it, I could see, that’s exactly how I want to live in myself and live in the world. How do I get that? And so this awakening started to happen. And it was like a decade’s long journey from like about 28. to, to 37 was a huge opening and cracking open of everything. And I, like you immersed myself in a great deal of texts and experiences and ideas and curiosities and curiosity. I think, if anything I’ve learned is a spiritual practice, the practice of curiosity is a spiritual practice, they’re one in the same and you cannot go on this journey, and not be a curious person, because you’ll, you’ll bump you’ll get stuck. So if you don’t have curiosity as your lens for a lot of this, you’ll get stuck. And so I knew that when I got to the other end, I love podcasts, I love radio, I love all of that. I knew when I got to the opposite end of it, and I had matured into a place of my own homecoming spiritually, that I wanted to create a system and a community where people could go and listen to like your story and other people’s story of like, how are they navigating this awakening, which is very disorienting, very cumbersome, very scary, because you’ve got a dress like the light and the dark parts. And so my podcast was birthed in this idea of like, you wake up, and now what do you do?

Brandon Handley 9:42
And it’s so so true. It’s so disorienting, even even right from the onset. I think what you said there was, we do recognize that in you know, your your, your place of faith and religion, that just about 40% of the people They’re not following the rules. So why am I trying so hard at it right is my guess because you said your type a right? You’re like, why am I trying so hard? Why am I putting all my effort into this? And these guys are getting away with 40% something’s something’s not lining up. So and then and then, you know, that begins to kind of crack the veil, right? That begins to up against to say, Well, if that wasn’t right, man, because you probably based sounds like you base quite a bit off of that, right? Or at least from that space. And now there’s now everything’s just kind of flying off. Right? That’s the whole the whole, you know, well, Jesus, the Wizard of Oz, right, the man behind the man behind the curtain curtain. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, what you’re saying to me, too, is really, really reminds me of the Alan Watts. Knew, and I know, fans of Alan Watts, right? So it reminds me of like, when he’s talking about the monks in Zen Buddhism, when they would go up to the samurai eyes, right? And the samurai is bialik I don’t know what Samurai is do but they, you know, they do their Samurai thing. And then the monk shows like no fear because he’s a total peace with himself. Right? He’s like, go ahead, I’m good. Do what you got to do. But and, and and then the samurai sees, you know, kind of what you saw these people are so at peace. So it like they have something and it’s, it’s nearly palatable, right? You can almost touch it.

Krista Xiomara 11:25
Yes.

Brandon Handley 11:25
And you’re like, you’re like, I want some of that.

Unknown Speaker 11:29
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 11:29
Right. And so that’s that’s kind of what I’m hearing you say right. But uh, if you know, so how did you decide to head in you What made you go to like yoga and an ashram? Right, because that’s a, that’s a pretty big leap from from from Catholicism.

Krista Xiomara 11:47
It’s a huge, it’s a huge leap. I read and this is going to be this is the cheesiest part of my whole story, but it’s so it I can’t deny it. It’s everywhere. I’ve said it multiple times. But I had read Liz Gilbert’s Eat, Pray Love. I know. You just posted an Elizabeth Gilbert quote today. I love her. She’s everything to me. To me. She’s like my, my female Jesus on this earth. She’s so honest and transparent. And after I read her book, I was like, if she can figure out her life, and then yogic ashram, I think I can too. And she was right, because it’s the source. It’s so old. It’s so ancient. It’s so tied to the truth of what we are, beyond our current civilization. They have all of the wisdom there and their texts. So I landed in that I luckily had that yogic ashram in this tiny town of Spokane, of all places, Spokane, Washington.

Brandon Handley 12:49
Yeah, that’s, you know, it’s funny, because that’s my, my, I spent a summer up there. Growing up, it is it is tiny. Like you said,

Krista Xiomara 12:59
there’s like 200,000 people there something at the time, but yeah, and so then that led me again, like, curiosity became my guiding light. So the SWAMI who created that ashram there, Swami shivananda, Radha, this beautiful German Swami who is now passed on, but she had a prolific writing career. So I read all her books. And then I’m very much a root cause kind of person. I work in quality management systems in my regular life. And so when I want to understand something, I have to get to the base of it. And so once I dipped into the yogic ashram, which was based in Hinduism, that kind of led me down the path of Buddhism and Zen and Sufi ism, and Islam and Judaism. And then I realized I need to really understand these other religions and philosophies. And I really got into stoicism with Marcus Aurelius. And of course, then you go into the spiritual side, which is like all of the beautiful teachers we’ve had, like Alan Watts, and Wayne Dyer, and Michael Dooley, all these people have done such massive work and you just realize they’re all saying the same thing, which is, you are God God is you live a life that is honest and pure and of service of others. And that’s all you have to do and show up in this world as

Brandon Handley 14:32
so how are you accepting yourself as you know, God, right, I think that that’s definitely been one of the bigger stumbling blocks, right? Because we also, we, you know, Westerners, we’ve got like this, you know, one concept of God, right? And then Hinduism and Eastern and other spiritualities have this other concept of Gods so when you say that, we’re all God, what is your concept of that and how do you sleep at night with that? Right, like, I mean, cuz that’s, that’s definitely a challenge because, um, you know, I can tell you just from my own practice I can I can do like great meditations and I’ll be like, I can get myself to like love. But I can’t, you know, sometimes I had that struggle with, you know, seeing myself as God, right? Like I can be I am love. Right? But then I’m like I am God. I’m like, Hey, wait a second, buddy, what do you think in there? Right? So just walk me through that? Because I’d be curious to hear what that sounds like it looks like for you?

Krista Xiomara 15:29
Well, yeah, it’s interesting that you bring that up, I would say the thing, where I’ve shaken out in my relationship with God, which is too small of a word for what created us, I think. And I don’t think it’s one person. But one of the things that I, I came to terms with on my journey to is like, in Catholicism, and a lot of the Abrahamic religions, and even some of the Eastern ones, there’s this idea that God exists wholly in perfection, and that divinity equates perfection. But if you look around the world, if if a god or gods created us, there are so many imperfections in this world that make it absolutely beautiful. You can walk into a forest, like right now I can see outside of my house is the greenbelt here in Austin, which is like our, our forest, and it’s untamed, and it’s wild. And it’s, you know, it’s not perfect, and we’re not perfect. And that means that the thing that created me is also imperfect, and I’m comfortable knowing that it’s probably still evolving to, and we’re evolving together. And that wisdom that exists in me to understand that helps me connect to my own divinity and remove that disconnection that I grew up with that said, like, God is in this place, and God can only be accessed through these people. And God is only available to X, Y, and Z. But I think we are born with a god shaped portion of our of God in our body and in our soul, and in our energy that circulates us as human beings. And it’s a matter of recognizing that in ourselves. It’s, it’s not that you’re better than anyone if you know that you have God within you or that God is something you know, unattainable. We all have it. And I think the manifestation of understanding that God is within you, is when you act in kindness and compassion and humility to other people. Because that’s, that’s literally God working through you, that’s your own divinity, that the part of you that is God is coming forward. And it’s manifesting as those actions as this podcast. As of the way you help people as a coach Brandon, like, that’s, that’s you and God, that’s like you guys co creating, it’s this beautiful co creation that we all get to be a part of that has been denied, especially in the Western world, because it’s built on these Abrahamic religions and say, no Gods this other thing, but it’s not.

Brandon Handley 18:15
Fair enough. Fair enough. You know, I 100% agree with all all what you’re saying. And the one thing I would say, though, is I was recently introduced to a new definition of the word perfect. Meaning that you don’t need anything else. That’s all it means. Right? So actually, if you go to sleep tonight, Crystal, Do you need anything else? done today? You’re perfect. Today, the world you live in is perfect. Mm hmm. Right. I mean, that forest over there, it doesn’t need anything else today to be that forest, does it? Now it’s a perfect forest. Right, you know, so somebody had introduced it and just said that that was like the old, you know, way back when that’s what that word meant, like, you don’t need anything else. And if that’s if that’s the definition of perfect, then there’s a lot of us that are perfect, that don’t think that we are right, therefore we keep ourselves from saying, Man, I can’t access God, because last time, you should see me last week, that wasn’t cool. Right? Or like, you know, they’ve got all these things that that make them think that they’re being kept away from God. Right? The only thing that’s keeping them away from that is themselves, right?

Krista Xiomara 19:26
That’s exactly right. Right.

Brandon Handley 19:28
Yeah. And to your point today, it doesn’t make somebody better or worse to say, I’m connected to God. Right. I’m divine. You know, that’s, that’s basically it boils down to a choice. Is that fair to say?

Krista Xiomara 19:43
Well, yeah, and I would say the when if if somebody is saying that, that should raise a lot of alarm bells in your mind, if they’re creating that disconnection to you from them because they have a closer connection to God than you should run for the hills.

Brandon Handley 20:02
No good can come to that. That’s what that’s like the Crusades. Right. So, you know, so what made you decide to be the voice though, you know by by taking it and you know, by literally opening up you know their voice and bringing this to bringing us to the greater masses a and then be like, talk about stuffing into that like What gave you the confidence to be that person.

Krista Xiomara 20:24
Um, I mean, I’m not know if it was a matter of like confidence more than the desire to help. So like a lot of my motivations as an individual comes from the desire to alleviate other people’s suffering, whether that’s through community through the podcast through holding space for them to process things, whether it’s just been friendship with somebody, so they don’t feel alone. The my motivation was that I know there’s people that need to hear these things. And I would say the best example of that was the summer when I finally put into one conglomerated space, the journey of me leaving my religion of origin, making sense of all of that trauma, releasing it and coming home to myself. And I can’t tell you how much I’ve heard from people all over the world about how liberating it was to have somebody regurgitate that life experience that they had gone through, and that they were either at the beginning, the two middle parts or the end, and feeling like me, too. And I think when we do this work, like and you do your spiritual dope, podcast on your coaching and stuff, I don’t think there’s any deeper modality of love that we can do for each other than to see and hear each other. And I think what’s funny about the world we live in now is social media is exactly that. It’s this deep seated desire to be seen and to be heard, and to feel like you matter in this world. And I think us on the spiritual path. Our goal and creating this content is to also be a mirror to the people who are in the process of it all. Because we need each other and we need each other’s experiences and wisdom and honesty and integrity. To help us through this this journey. We can’t do it alone.

Brandon Handley 22:40
Yes, so how many? You know, when you open it up? Was there any fear? Was there any family or friends? were surprised or shocked by about kind of what you were doing in that space? How about your co workers, right? Like, I mean, is this something that your your, you know, your day job, right, you’ve got the day jobs, that’s something that you know, you share with openly there? Or is this kind of like, you go to work today is Christa. You know, I’m here working today, and then you come come home at night, and you’re like, let’s finish delivery at some people. Right?

Krista Xiomara 23:18
Yeah. Well, it’s funny, just to that point, and then I’ll answer your question is one of the things that was, was very much a bone of contention in my own life when I was in my religious upbringing and still in the church of origin was, I did feel like they’re like I had a dichotomy. There was like work Krista and then there was like, religious Krista and sometimes religious Krista could come out and sometimes only work Krista could come out or Krista in her marriage or Krista with her friends, or what not. And the thing that has been the most liberating on this path is that I the just the the ability to show up as yourself everywhere all the time is more peace than I could have ever asked for in my life. And so if people ask me about my podcast, or I’ll tell people about it and my work life, but more than anything, what has changed about diet, you know, the duality of Christa, old Krista and new Krista is that my spiritual practices come into my work life and so I’m just as compassionate and kind and, you know, harmonious with my co workers who don’t know anything about me. There’s a lot of them who don’t have never met me. I work remotely no matter what, because of COVID but, but I show up like that to them the way I show up to my podcast guests, the way I show up to my family, that I’m in relationship with my friends, and that’s the thing that has changed more than anything. So I do tell people about it. Mostly my family doesn’t really care, they don’t really even understand what it is like they’re so in their own world and in their own religious experience, still that they don’t really get it, they don’t understand that it’s a thing that it’s grown, that it has a lot of reach that people are super interested in it. So like, there’s a small subset of people I get to really celebrate my podcast with like, you are one of them. And you know, the other people in my life, like, everyone else could care less and

Brandon Handley 25:34
less interesting, though, you know, it’s all it’s always interesting to hear, you know, how you kind of charge for arthritis. What I’m hearing, you say, though, too, is, at some point, there was a merger of the two of us, or maybe there was a, or maybe the you left behind all of all of this, and you’re like, this is all I’m going to be, you know, this is who I am. Now, this, this is what this looks like, to me about like that decision? Because I think that’s pretty interesting.

Krista Xiomara 26:01
Yeah, I mean, I think that our society asks that of us, our society asks us, all of us, men, women, children, mothers, fathers, to show up in these really specific ways. And even the people that we have relationships with, sometimes don’t even want to see all of us. And so in my book of the book, that I’m writing, the alchemy of kindness, I say in there multiple times that it’s like an it’s like an act of bravery, to never turn against yourself to love yourself, no matter what you do, because we all make mistakes where, you know, I don’t always show up compassionately. Although like, I wish I could I wish I that would be like every day of my existence. But I still fail in that in interactions and certain things like that. So for me, thinking about that, that whole idea of coming home to yourself and having that, that, basically, it’s like if you think about it visually, like maybe you’re projecting out these different kind of what are they called, like emojis or I’m not, I can’t think of the word right now. But you’ve got these projections of yourself in the world. And in this journey, what we do is we like suck it all in and we become one, in and of ourselves. Because when I was living in that other place, I was very much at war with myself, I was at war with my ideals. I was at war with my words and my mind and everything. And being able to bring in all those parts of ourselves those avatars, that’s what I was trying to say, you know, we have these avatars of like, podcast, Brandon, and podcasts, or Brandon father, and all these things, these avatars, but we’re really the central core, we’re the bean and bringing it like bringing those avatars in as part of the work on this path. Because to live authentically and truly, in yourself is, is I think, again, the work that we have to do here because our society has become something very wild and different. And authenticity, authenticity and wholeness is not always wanted.

Brandon Handley 28:23
So, the one thing that I see out there a lot, and you know, again, I agree, I agree with everything you’re saying. The one thing I see out there a lot is is this idea of being the be your authentic self.

Krista Xiomara 28:36
Yeah. The bumper sticker.

Brandon Handley 28:38
Yeah, I haven’t seen it. But I haven’t seen a bumper sticker since March. Um, the the idea is, though, whoo, and what is your authentic self, and what you’re describing is like, stop, stop, stop, like projecting all of what you think everybody, you think what everybody wants to see. And pull that all back in. And really sit with yourself. Right. And, and, and, and that’s it. That’s just the one, the one self that that needs to happen. And that is your authentic self. And you’ll be able to know and feel your authentic self when every day doesn’t suck anymore.

Krista Xiomara 29:18
And when you’re not questioning everything, right, you know, you’re not in alignment with yourself. If you don’t know what you want, if you let people make decisions for you, if you feel uncomfortable, even facing yourself. Those are like the big red flags, that you’re not living in authenticity with yourself and that you are not in alignment with your core being. And I think a lot of people go on this spiritual journey. And that’s the outcome. The outcome is them coming home to themselves. A lot of the spiritual other work is healing and releasing stuff that no longer serves you and, and and finding your true self. Honestly, I’m sorry, I’m beating this To a dead horse, but it’s how I feel this journey is is. That is the purpose that, like all of us doing this work is like if we love ourselves, and this is a universal truth that I hated hearing, and I didn’t know it was true, I had to hear like 5000 times. But if we love ourselves, and we’re at harmony with ourselves, and we’re at peace with ourselves, and we are authentically in alignment with ourselves, the world aligns itself as well, because when we show up authentically, then we allow other people to show up authentically, when we are compassionate with ourselves and other people can give some self compassion to themselves and give themselves a break. Like that’s what it’s all about.

Brandon Handley 30:45
Where do you think you first saw that evidence, right evidence of that concept. And when did it finally click?

Krista Xiomara 30:53
I did say 10 years. At the yogic ashram, honestly, that was the first time where, like, the thing that with the authenticity, to just go back to the story about like, living in these dual places in my religion of origin, there was in the religion of origin, there was very much this idea of Do as I say, not as I do. And then going into the yogic ashram and watching people match up their actions with their words. And I was like, Oh, these people are living it. They’re living their true, honest, transparent, authentic selves. And I knew that that’s what I wanted, I didn’t know that the outcome would be this huge homecoming at all, I had no idea that that would happen. I just knew I didn’t want to be in conflict with myself anymore. And I felt very conflicted in my religious experience. Not because necessarily, even I wasn’t living up to the rules. But the goalposts was always moving. If we want to talk back again about the God thing. It was like, you know, I, I,

Unknown Speaker 32:05
I,

Krista Xiomara 32:06
you know, I was abstinent I didn’t do drugs, I didn’t, you know, drink, I didn’t curse, and I still wasn’t good enough for God, I still wasn’t good enough for my church, not you know, the goalpost just kept moving. And then you I went to the yoga ashram, and I’m like, No, these people, they know what they’re doing.

Brandon Handley 32:27
That’s hilarious. You know, I was never none of those things. I probably would have been incinerated going in. And that’s always what I kind of thought. Like, they’re not they don’t want any of this. Um, you know, I love what you’re saying there, you see that these people are actually living their truth. And you know, you’re living your truth now. And then, you know, I like to hear how we’ll just call it like the universe has opened up for you, because your podcast looks like you’ve had, you know, just a great run, right? You’ve had a great run, you’re having great conversations. You’re putting out a book. My guess is you’ve got more behind that. But also sounds to me, like you’ve found a way to and I’m just guessing here, you found a way to like, kind of surrender to it and let it like, be organic.

Unknown Speaker 33:19
Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 33:21
That’s about that.

Krista Xiomara 33:22
Yeah. I mean, if we want to talk technically about the podcast, like, like anybody else, I started, I don’t know what the hell I was doing. And I had to learn how to edit. And all of that stuff. I just had an idea that I wanted to put this information out, and I just needed to find a way to do it. And I had to figure out all of those things. And what I, I recently did an interview with a gal about how to start a podcast and one of my advice for somebody was just go in knowing that it’s gonna evolve. And that’s part of the process instead of being stuck in this like, box. So my first two seasons, I didn’t know what I was doing. I changed the format a couple times, I changed the way it was, you know, presented, I changed my branding, and I did a bunch of things. Like, I didn’t know what I was doing. And that was okay. And finally, after with a lot of trial and error, like I think our life is supposed to be it’s supposed to be this loving, existence of trial and error, and we don’t get punished when we error. It’s just a learning lesson and we pivot, right? So I pivoted, and I found the right sequence. And I found an audience that resonated with what I was saying, which allowed me to bring bigger guests on because like, the bigger your podcast gets, the more people want to come. And I was just telling a Mona, who, you know, it’s funny to think when I started my podcast, like, every week, like seven people would listen to it and now it’s like, Up to 21,000 people a week. That’s a lot of people listening

Brandon Handley 35:03
does a lot of people. Yeah, not congratulations. That’s fantastic.

Krista Xiomara 35:06
But it was yours. You know, it’s not like that happened overnight. This it has been me just diligently sitting down and saying, I don’t care about the numbers. I don’t care about the monetary compensation, what I care about is being of service to people on the path who need help. And I’m going to show up, and this is what I’m going to do, as that’s as simple as I can explain it.

Brandon Handley 35:30
No, I mean, that’s perfect, right. But again, so thank you for that. What I’m looking for is just the path opening up, right? And it sounds to me again, like you’ve like, again, you’ve kind of surrendered, right? You’re not forcing something. You’re not saying hey, you didn’t come up and be like, Alright, well, 1231 2018, I’m looking for, like 75,000 downloads and that should that be a great year, right? Instead, you said, Hey, this neat, I need to do this, this is something I’m doing. This is something that I’m doing as much for me as for anybody else, I’m looking to be of service. I’m not looking for anything other than that, like you’re you’re doing it in an altruistic nature, right?

Krista Xiomara 36:16
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 36:17
But the idea is that once you kind of move with your intention with your purpose, and you know, you’re in full alignment, the idea is that the universe opens up for you. Have you found that to be true for yourself?

Krista Xiomara 36:30
Yeah. And that’s one of the universal truths. I know, you and I have talked about this already that it is true. I just think that when you go in, honestly, and you ask to co create with the universe, like, honestly, things just fall into place. And there’s no easier way to say it is that like, when I wanted to do the podcast, I was actually telling my therapist about it. And she told me about this guy who happened to produce his own podcast, and he could help me and he helped me and tell me get it off the ground. And it was like, in the alchemist, where Paulo Coelho quotecolo, says, you know, like, the universe will conspire to bring everything to your plate. And it, it really is true, I think, the thing that I would leave the audience with is that you just have to continue to make actionable steps and show up and sometimes your steps are in the wrong direction. But the universe will course correct for you, it’ll let you know you’re on the wrong path. And you just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And this idea of the surrender, is that I have this idea, but I’m not tied to it. And that’s where the surrender comes in. So I had this podcast idea, and I thought I wanted it to be this thing. And I let it evolve and become something that it is today and have had opportunities because of it. In that way, is a large surrender, because I let it do what it needs to do. And I’m just kind of the conduit at the end of the day. Does that answer it?

Brandon Handley 38:11
It does? Yep. I mean, that. Nailed it. So that I mean, that’s the space though. And then I think that how would you tell someone that you recognize that you’re a conduit?

Krista Xiomara 38:25
Hmm. That’s a really hard one. I would say first go read the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle Lee, and help you, you have to do I think anybody This is just a generalization, I think if you want to become a conduit, and a true co creator with divinity, you have to face the, I guess, the idea that you have an ego. And you have to kind of fight with your ego until your ego takes a step back. Because a lot of work can be done from the ego. And a lot can come from the ego. But where that becomes a problem is I think, if you’re working egoic Lee, it takes you out of that alignment, and that co creation, and then you start to have, you know, obstacles or things don’t kind of flow as easily. I’ve seen that too. And I’ve, I’ve had to fight with my own ego all the time, you know, throughout this whole process and to continue to recognize when it’s trying to push itself forward when really the universe is asking me to show up in a very different way. So I would say start there. And then just know and trust like I do say this in my book, too. It’s the it’s in the introduction and it’s the I say that When I went on the spiritual journey, there were two things that I learned. And the first one is that when you go on a journey, whether it’s like physical or spiritual, there are proverbial, you know, twists and turns and things you cannot anticipate you have to be ready for that. But the second thing that you learn on this journey, if you stay open, is that the universe is literally there to bring you the tools, the people, the experiences, anything, you need to be able to become the conduit to your own life journey, and show up in a way that resonates with people. So that we can all help each other.

Brandon Handley 40:40
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, what I’m what I think I hear you say that, too, is uh, you know, egos, the guy that says, you know, ego egos the voice inside you saying, I’m doing this, this is me, watch what I can do. Right. And whereas the conduit says, I have the resources of the universe, and it’s just flowing through me, I literally wrote down this morning, I wrote down this morning, the idea that I’m, from a humanity standpoint, if I view myself as strictly human, then all I’m left with his, you know, my human capabilities, and the things of this world, right now, if I open myself up to being divine, or of this universe changes, right? I mean, and so there’s nothing you can’t do. Right? And I don’t have to be and I’m not the one doing it. Right. And you know, so I think that’s what I’m hearing you say, right, and kind of break in and having that breakthrough. And then looking for evidence of that, right? I think that that’s really important. Right? So to set your intention to say that I want to become a conduit, here’s, you know, you’re talking about breaking through the egoic structure, and then saying, you know, now, where am I seeing it? Right? How am I seeing it? And I think that that comes from setting an intention and not acting on it right forcefully in such a way that to your point, like you do need to take action, right, there needs to be some type of whatever move to go get it. This is, you know, the call of, Hey, this is the hero’s call type thing, you know, you’re called to go do this thing. I’m not gonna do it. And so nothing’s gonna happen then, right? There is no transformation, there is no transition. If you’re called hero’s calling, like, Alright, I’m gonna go do it. And then you’re met with obstacles, but like, right behind that obstacles, like the thing like shut up? Right? All I had to do was pick up that rock. That’s crazy.

Krista Xiomara 42:34
Yeah. And I would say that a prayer that has become like, a mantra to me is, I will literally say to the universe, like, I want to do this thing. And I don’t know if it’s right. But I’m gonna take these steps. And I’ll just wait for you to answer. And that’s literally what I do when I want to do something new. Or I want to venture out into something else, or write a book. I just say, I don’t know if this is right, this is what’s in my heart. And I need you to tell me if I’m on the wrong track, and I’ve never been misled. It’s never it’s, it’s it’s either shut doors, or open doors. And that’s how I know. And it’s like, you know, we have all of these other senses that we can tap into from our own divinity that allows us the wisdom to know what’s the next right step every time.

Brandon Handley 43:28
That’s awesome. That’s a great one. That’s a great one. So your book is coming out when when can we expect your book,

Krista Xiomara 43:35
ah, this has been like the biggest labor of love that I’ve ever had in my life. It’s taken me two years to finish this book. And I’m still not even done yet. I’m I’m My goal is to get it done by December and have it out. And in mid March is the goal to after it goes to the drafts and the covers and all of that. But my, I think also to let me just back it up for a second what I’ve learned on this, this journey, as well, and having the podcast is that a lot of people have different entry points into spirituality, how we find it some for some people, it’s addiction for some people, it’s trauma for some people, it’s the religious experience for some people, it’s, you know, no religious experience, but we all have these entry points, but we all come together at some point our experiences kind of merge at some point. But the the, the conflict that I was talking about earlier that can that was contained in my mind was also this deep seated self hatred. And that was my entry point. And because I only needed peace, and I didn’t need peace with the world, I needed peace with myself cuz I hated myself. I hated everything about me. I hated myself to the core. And it’s like one of those things that people never want to talk about. But it was a it was a very big struggle of mine. And it was my entry point. into leaving my religion that I had an inclination that it was a contributing factor to my self hatred. But I didn’t quite know if it was. And so the journey of the alchemy of kindness, the book is about, like, traversing my past to understand where did the separation happen, that I started to hate myself, because I certainly wasn’t born hating myself. I be and then I did. And then unraveling the tools that I picked up, that helped me reverse that self hatred, and then the practices and the daily living, that allows me to stay in congruence with myself and in love with myself in an authentic way, not just like, Oh, I love myself. Not like that, like truly like, yeah, like, I don’t say, a harmful word about myself, don’t criticize myself, all those things. And so this book, I knew, like I did with the podcast, I knew that once I got through that whole thing, I really wanted to create a roadmap for people to unravel their self hatred, because it is a true epidemic in our society. And the, you know, the most hardest part of self hatred is is annihilation. And so, you know, I had a couple of times where I had suicidal attempts with my life. And because I was just like, I cannot stand myself, like, I have ruined everything. I’m like, an embarrassment to my family, and all of these things. And my self hatred took me all the way up to annihilation, like it does with a lot of people. But there’s another way, you know, there’s another way and the other way is that you’re fine. And you’re great. Just The Way You Are you just have been told you aren’t.

Brandon Handley 46:56
No, that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Would you look at that, as you know, hatred is a gateway or addressing your pain as a gateway? How would you? How would you kind of determine to find that?

Krista Xiomara 47:08
Well, so for me for my experience, and I think it can be both and I’m guessing, for me, it was that I was in so much pain with my own internal conflict, like not being able to look at myself in the mirror for very long, or not being able to be in relationship with people and feel like they didn’t like me, because I didn’t like me. Like, I just assumed everybody hated me, because I hated myself to know. And the the pain of that was like, okay, there’s something really traumatic living here, that I have to address now. And what is that, and I didn’t do it on my own, which I say in the book, you know, I definitely had to go to therapy, I had to have a lot of spiritual experiences that helped me, come home to myself. And then the, the longevity of my self love really came into focus when I found Buddhism, because Buddhism is truly a homecoming. It’s like, go and be by yourself, and sit with yourself, and be okay with everything that is, but be okay with yourself. That was like the most eye opening teaching I could have received is what the Buddha did in his life. And I was like, Oh, this is how I’m supposed to exist within myself, then I can attain that, and I’m gonna live it and practice it until it’s in, like every molecule of my body. Right? So yeah,

Brandon Handley 48:46
just just be that. I love that. So you said, you mentioned your spiritual experiences a couple of times do you have like one or two that you could, you know, specifically point to as a specific spiritual experience?

Krista Xiomara 49:01
Like, do you mean through the self that allowed me to create some some self healing in this vein of the book or some are just like spiritual experiences

Brandon Handley 49:11
that yeah, I mean, you pointed to, you know, you pointed to like, along the way, having some spiritual experiences and you know, what does that mean? And what is one that might be specific?

Unknown Speaker 49:20
Mmm hmm.

Krista Xiomara 49:26
Let me think, um, I think one of the, one of the most significant spiritual experiences I had was, when I was in this really, I’ve had like, a couple dark nights of the soul. I would say, I think we all do in our life because it’s hard to navigate humanity being human. But in one particular one, it was up towards the beginning of my spiritual journey. And I don’t know why I looked it up. But I looked up like spiritual cleansing or healing or something. And I found out about Reiki for the first time. I’m, it’s an energy healing modality. And I went on and I looked at all of these people online, and I started to look at their faces. And I was like, Hmm, I could send something about each person’s, you know, you look at pictures, and you can really kind of get a sense of the person’s own energy. And I landed on this girl named Chelsea. And she is like this petite, tiny, little white, white light Angel, very creature that I don’t even think she’s human is what I’ve just decided. And she, I went to her. And I just was like, I feel like I have a great deal of dark energy within me. I’ve done therapy, I’ve gone on spiritual retreats, and there’s just this thing that’s stuck. And I don’t know how to get it out. And my curiosity led me here, can we work together, and she gave me my first Reiki healing that I had ever had. And I literally feel like she physically pulled out this darkness from my body, and liberated whatever that part was of me. And I saw her for a handful of more, have more sessions. But I think she truly was the person that I just think she did her work, so I could do my work. And I needed to go see her. And that was, that changed me I was forever changed by this very healing process that I didn’t even understand that at the time, I didn’t know anything about Reiki, I didn’t know how it worked. I didn’t understand it. And it was really bizarre going through it the first time. And but also, just like, this beautiful experience that truly, I think, went beyond the natural world of something I could never understand, I still I still struggle to understand how it all works, and how it’s all connected. But that was a really big experience that helped me, it was a spiritual tool I took on the way to back to myself.

Brandon Handley 52:24
That’s powerful. I mean, if you’ve got all that darkness, you know, caught up in Saudi and somebody quite literally able to rip it out of you without I mean, they don’t, they don’t touch you, right, like, I mean, now. This is a this is a you know, and if you can go through that and have that kind of sensation as you leave that place. And, you know, there’s no drugs involved. There’s no like weird things happening outside of that thing. That’s powerful. And that’s, that’s something that resonates.

Krista Xiomara 52:52
And she was powerful. Like, I clearly didn’t even know what was happening or what was going on. And she was so powerful that she was able to do this thing that was set me back on my course and really liberated me. And it was like all those things. It was like the therapy and it was like my spiritual journey and reading books and letting go of my ego and dispelling all the stories I had told about myself. And then I needed this other thing that could help me literally lighten up so I could enlightened because I was stuck. I was truly, truly stuck.

Brandon Handley 53:36
So the real recommendation here is go read Eat, Pray Love. Yes. And this will get you started. Right? Right. And along the way, pick up Chris’s book, which will be out in March of 2021. Right? I mean, you can just set the date, let’s just do it, right. It’s common, it’ll be there. And then, you know, go over and you wish wish was some people go

Krista Xiomara 54:00
check it out. You can just find me on Instagram at IN w podcast, I’m in the process of redoing my website and stuff. And I do have some other projects that are not ready to be spoken about. But there’ll be very exciting in the near future. But Instagrams the best place to catch me for now while I revamp everything.

Brandon Handley 54:20
Okay, so if you’re listening today, then make sure you head on over to spiritual dope or the podcast outline and the link for Chris’s Instagram to the podcasts will be available for you. So Chris, thank you so much for coming on today. And you know, sharing pieces of your journey and how you got there and just spend some time with us today. I think that I think what you shared it out today was super valuable for anybody who’s tuning in. Yeah,

Krista Xiomara 54:45
thank you for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed our time together.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on spiritual dope?

Unknown Speaker 0:05
Hey,

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hey, hey, Brandon Handley here the voice of a generation.

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on Christmas Day 2020. Thomas over, it’s almost over everybody, we’ve almost made it through 2020. If you are able to listen to this podcast, if you were able to tune into what is happening here today, there’s a good chance that, uh, the rest of your life is going to be super awesome, right? If you’ve made it through 2020 unscathed, meaning alive, you’ve got a lot, you’ve got a lot ahead of you. And this is going to be a year, of course that we all remember. At the same time, it’s going to be sure that we’re all just as just as ready to get beyond just ready to get beyond. So we are still working through, are you ready to succeed. And we are on chapter five, you can change the universe. This is the chapter where it finally dawned on me just how powerful this book was laying a little bit of incense over here, we get ourselves into the mood. But I was sitting on a plane flying I think out to Denver, a friend and I were we’re having a conversation online earlier that day, about you know, miracles, just in general about becoming medically minded. And as we go through this chapter, you’re going to understand exactly why he sneaks in, right? I know that I put it in here somewhere that he sneaks, this kind of squeezes this chapter in, underneath of, to me, almost should be like two chapters. Right? Of course, I’m not the author, but you know, sneaks this one in here. And it’s pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. So stay tuned, we’re gonna get through this one here. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, whatever holiday you celebrate. You know, the holiday I celebrate the most is every day is a holiday. I’ve got up on my board right now, on my whiteboard, you know that this is fun. I’m having fun, be fun. Not too long ago, I also had up on my board, my whiteboard. flyff is a treat, man, we got a joy, we got to celebrate it, we can’t just can’t just go through it without without looking forward to it right, looking forward to every day. So whatever day you’re celebrating, I hope you’re celebrating today. And today, we will be going through chapter five, you can change the universe. In addition, if you would like to get access to this mind map that I’ve created for this, just check on the website. I also create the videos, as I’m creating the audio so that while we are going through it, you could if you wanted to just see me kind of poking around as as we go through this mind mapping. So without further ado, the introduction to this one, you know, this is another part where I really resonated with us Sreekumar Rao, he’s talking in the beginning of this just about the spirituality of his mom, as a mother, how she was super spiritual, super connected. And, you know, my mom was too, right. Just just, you know, super connected in a lot of ways. The deal is, is that, you know, when we’re when we’re young, and full of, you know, vim and vigor, or some vinegar, and whichever one you want to take a look at, especially as a young young man, we would just resist because we already think we know all the things you know, we we get a few right answers, we’re told we’re super smart. Next thing, you know, we know everything, just how just how it rolls. So his mother was super spiritual, that was kind of his foundation to a lot of this. And she thought that the universe was benevolent, right? And that, that anytime the universe was, you know, it would pull you out at all times, right? It would, and alliances would permit one to surface even when swallowed by tidal waves who just always kind of reach out, reach out to you. He also says, Hey, he resisted his mother’s wisdom. Just and again, I also resonate with this so hard because I just I didn’t you know, my mom had a lot of a lot of things to say that were fairly wise and I was like, No, nope, no, no, no.

And, you know, especially now as a father, right, as a parent myself, I’m like, you don’t want to share, share this stuff with my own children and let them know. And I’ve got the full realization, though, that the, they’re not going to automatically grasp it automatically and grab onto it, especially because this is this is the world that we live in, they’re surrounded by a society that this isn’t the loudest noise, right? This isn’t the thing making the most noise out there. This is the thing that’s spirituality that is, that’s got this little ebbs and pockets, there’s, there’s fights about who’s right or wrong over where the soul goes over what the soul is over what spirituality is, and it’s like, holy shit, man, just let it go. So it’s not too much different than you’re a human, you’ve got a spirit, you need to attend to it, that’s really it. And then you know, also recognize that the spirit of you is much larger, and greater and connected. than, than the physical sense being that you can, you can see right now. So that’s my personal take, anyways, you know, we get, we get tuned into this, and we get taught this stuff, you know, when we’re younger, a lot of times, but we don’t have this kind of foundational obvious knowledge to be able to see it. So obviously, we’re gonna resonate with everything else that we see, especially when there’s only one of them, like his mother, my mother, and maybe myself. That sees it, and it’s not until it becomes the mass masses, right? That it becomes kind of like this easily accepted thing, even that it becomes kind of regurgitated and a lot of a lot of one of the true message is lost in it. So anyways, you know, his his mom tells this story about, you know, or I think he tells a story about he, why, why are watermelons growing on the ground, when they’re big, and they’re just supported by vines and cherries, which are tiny, are supported by like this, this big tree? And at some point, you know, a cherry falls on his head. And his mom says, Well, you know, if that had been a watermelon, then that would have cracked your skull. And then he goes ahead and make some jokes, because what about coconuts? What about what about durian, which are like these large, large fruits in the trees that, you know, could fall in and crack your skull? Meaning that, hey, the universe also has these other things, what about them, not the line that his mother says that that I really enjoyed, and that we’re still in the intro of this, that is that. If a boulder falls, faith, you know, we’ll turn it to dust. I love that line. You know, if you think about it, anything that seems kind of impending, or when you are living in fear of the whole world or the universe, and it’s kind of coming down on you just you know, over the past, over the past year and a half, I’ve been really fond of saying, you know, let go let God or at least acknowledge that your subconscious is connected to something so much larger than you and give some trust over to your subconscious and your imagination to convert those worries into something, again, that you can handle. ie if a boulder should fall, have faith that the universe will help you out, be benevolent or that you’re more powerful subconscious will turn that boulder into dust into something manageable that you can handle. And you see it happen every day. How many times have you heard me say, I’m going to go ahead and trust a thing that is able to pump blood that’s going to take when I fall asleep at night, I don’t have to worry about whether or not I keep breathing. my subconscious keeps me freezing, there is something alive and intelligent in me that says hey, B, go ahead, you go to sleep. And we’ll go ahead and keep your your as alive. Right? So who whatever is doing that for me every night that I’ve ever fallen asleep for my entire life anytime ever and keeps pumping the air into my lungs. I’m going to trust that okay. And that’s within me and connected to something else. That’s my opinion. I’ll kind of take it. So proof cuts both ways. Moving on, you know, coming into proof cuts both ways is hey, here’s the idea of you can witness be witness to the winds or you can be witnessed To the ruins that is you can say, Hey,

I expect nothing but the worst to happen all the time and be you can be the person that says, oh, there it is there happened, I told you, you know, that shitty thing was going to happen or you can be witness to the winds, and you can be optimistic and you look, you can look forward to them. And, and, and exists, right both of them kind of exist. Looking here in the book real quick here. You know, ideally, look, it’s a choice, right? You can live right in a world where you know, the the universe destroys those boulders for you. Or you could live in a world where there’s all kinds of misfortune and crap out there in the world, right? And the deal is, you have a choice on which would you pay attention to? I’m not sure that we’ve gotten there yet. There’s another part and i’ll go ahead. So it’s your choice, right. And Dr. Rao makes this note, you don’t need to have a revelation to make this change. You can do it right now, this has been part of my very own platform for a number of years, where a lot of people tell you that, in order to have this kind of spiritual awakening or law, not even a spiritual weakening, when you have this, this whole life change that comes over you. It doesn’t have to be after you fucking hit rock bottom, you don’t have to wait till you are crushed under the weight of the world. You can do this. As soon as you’re ready. You can do this as soon as you are ready. Moving on, we’re going to step into the law of increase. And the idea is, can you take you have the opportunity to take a look at the universe as as a conscious entity, right, and is intimately intertwined with you and everything that it is that you do. Now, he talks about let’s see here, it talks about the idea that you can you know it I love this, it wants to give you what you desire, and you are able to influence it, you have the capability to influence it. And here’s, here’s one of the here’s one of the ways that you can influence it. And if you’ve heard this one before, stop me. But hey, whatever you are truly grateful for and appreciate will increase in your life, right? And the idea is that you just you just got to start doing it right? You just got to start paying attention to what it is that you’re you’re grateful for. He says, Hey, skeptical, I don’t blame you. Since I once felt this way. I know that I can’t change your mind. And that’s, this is one of those things that you can’t tell somebody that this is going to happen. You simply need to try it for yourself and apply it for yourself before you start seeing it. You start seeing it happen. And he tells the story of two dogs, right. There’s there’s a, it depends on who’s telling the story. I think I remember first hearing it from Zig Ziglar he’s talking about the anyway, Indians and how they’re up. They’re having dog fights. And the grandfather was the one who did the dog fights and it was never the same dog. But the grandfather always got the same dog. You know, always bet on the same always bet on the winning dog. And the child goes, Hey, well, how how do you know which one of these dogs is going to win every time? Right? How do you know which one of these dogs is going to win every time grandfather goes, Hey, the one that wins is the one that you feed. The one that wins is the one that you feed. Alright, so wrap it back up there and we’ll look at you know, when you give your energy to that what you are truly grateful for and appreciate. You will inherently see more of that in your life. That is not to say that is not to say that you’re not going to have things in your life that aren’t going well for you. You will we all will look there’s going to be things that pop up in our life that need to be addressed. Right. All these things need to be addressed. And you will do what needs to be done to fix or contain the bad but you will not expand emotional or psychic energy on it gives you a story and and of when we first moved into our current house, we first moved in some big big house and

I was concerned every, it’s actually a bitch and whine and moan and every time I hear the heat turned on in my mind, like, Ah, geez, there goes, there goes another 10 bucks, you know, just for firing it up, right? And it was pretty cool. The window was pretty cool. We’re getting down to, you know, 20s teens, and it went out, the heat went out. So do universes like, well, he wants to have to stop happening. He wants this bad thing to stop happening, I was investing emotional and psychic energy on it. And guess what it increased, it increased in a way that I didn’t want it to right that dog, the one that I was feeding was not the one that I wanted to win. And that’s scenario. So when I was a when we got it repaired, when we got it repaired. The the emotion and psychic energy that I spent on the heat being back in my life was was that of joy, right of gratitude. Like, I am happy that I have he, I am so happy and grateful that I receive a heat bill at the end of every month. Because that means that my heat worked throughout the month that I was able to pay for the bills, that you know that I still got an account that’s in good standing, that I’m able to stay warm and comfortable in my life. So those are a couple of things that even when you think about the law of increase, and it will go in both ways. But the idea is that you want the dog that you want to win is the one that you are, you’re truly grateful for right the one that one that you’re really happy to have. So again, I know that I showed the emotional and psychic energy on something that wasn’t great. But I also showed you what happened. What when you put your energy on, you know, whichever dog so I’ve got plenty of stories don’t get me wrong, I’ve got plenty of stories. That’s this first one that comes to mind of when things have have gone right and or well, but this also just shows what happens when you expand emotional and psychic energy on the things that are not great in your life. Cut it here and we’ll get on to section two

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Check out this conversation between cohost of Your Essential Nature, David Michael Reed and I have as we explore his spiritual journey with you today!

David Michael Reed (D.Mike) is the owner/host/CEO of the edutainment platform Game Of Unity LLC, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general, and a director for the non-profit organization The Briar Farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community.D.Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach. He quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature, having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short time frame.

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Brandon Handley 0:22
Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here and I am on today with David Michael Reed who likes to go by the mic. He’s the owner hosts the CEO of the edutainment platform, a game of unity, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general and a director for the nonprofit organization the Briar farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community. D Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach, he quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short timeframe. Although he studied biochemistry at the University of Oklahoma, his interests have taken him to study much more broad realm of knowledge. He utilizes his various interests, formal education and personal experiences to formulate his principles of unity. From here on out, I’m gonna direct you to check out his YouTube show, which he is a member of your essential nature, and you can find him on Game of unity.com It’s a mouthful D Mike, thanks for joining today. How you doing? I’m doing really great. Appreciate it. How you doing, Brian? Oh, man, I you know, look, I like I said earlier, it’s just another day in Whoville, but but I’ll tell you what I am. I’m going through a book that I go through it like once a year right now it’s called Are you ready to succeed? d maiken. And I’m at the very beginning of its 10 week kind of books, and you’re asking I’m just gonna go. But there’s one thing in here, man that you know, I saw it again today. Like I’ve got like all these highlights in here from years ago, because that’s part of the process of this book. The book asks you for a commitment like when you start right.

Unknown Speaker 0:02
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Brandon Handley 2:00
And one of the lines in here man is that each day that you’re not radiantly alive and brimming with shear is a day wasted every time. Yeah, I read that line. I’m in fact it man. I’m like, I’m like holy shit. What am I you know, it’s just nosy in Whoville was it one where I was radiantly alive. And you know, so did I waste a day? I don’t know. So since you asked, yeah. That’s kind of where I’m at. So um, you know, I like to start these off with, we’re vessels for creative energy, universal energy, God, God, whatever you feel like you need to call it right source energy. And there’s somebody out there listen to this podcast today. Who does a message inside of you, right, that needs to you need to deliver through source to that person? What is that message?

D Mike 2:47
That’s a great question. And I appreciate that, you know, I really feel like my medicine, I was just speaking about this recently. And I really feel like my medicine, what my personal message, what I’ve come down here to do is to is to be a bridge. And I know that whenever I was coming up, I felt like I had a lot of skills, I felt like I had a lot of resources, but I still wasn’t connected to my power, I still wasn’t able to create how I wanted to. And you know, I always felt like I was being kind of tapped on the shoulder by spirituality of by by something greater than me that was trying to connect me to my power in my authenticity. And I was going to shut it away, just because I think it was mostly because I had a lot to do with the way that I was brought up and the environment and my peers, and maybe the demographic that I that I chose to come into in this incarnation. But I never wanted to connect to that power. I never allowed myself to step into that because of just certain stereotypes and certain ways that people told me that I needed to behave. So I got really good at wearing a bunch of masks and figuring out how to get love by being a certain thing to different people. And and by and by not tapping into my true potential and my true authentic nature. And so what I’ve been able to do in the last few years since I’ve been on the self discovery and inward journey is really very technically take a look at all of these masks and realize how I can step into my authenticity and therefore find my my truth and my power. And I think that being in the circumstance that I am, where I was moving from, as you talked about earlier in the intro, thank you for that, by the way, living in such radically different cultures in such a short amount of time, I’m able to see this main kind of thread that moves through all of us. If you’re in whenever I was in the streets of Compton or in you know, in a mansion and Johnson County in Kansas, there’s still that one thread that I feel like unites us all and I think that’s what I’m here to help do is to help us all to realize that unity and to realize our potential and our strength that’s in our authenticity in our unity whenever

Brandon Handley 4:46
we come together so you know I love I love you got a couple couple things in here too. So you know as you’re as you’re coming down here, you said to be a bridge on you. It kind of prompts the the idea of like where are you Come down here from right is one question I would have. And then another question I would have is like, you know, I love how you said you chose kind of this place to travel through. Right? Why don’t you talk a second about that, like, you know where it’s coming from? Yeah.

D Mike 5:15
Yeah. And that’s a that’s a phenomenal question. And I think this is one of the most important questions that we can really ask whenever we’re trying to find ourselves and to and to get on this path. And so the way that resonates with me the best, and the way that helps me to be the best person that I can, is to think about things in a way that first of all, we’re all here doing the best that we can, and that we all have a similar mission whenever we get together, and we realize our similar goals. And so the way of looking at things that is the best for me to be the best and most effective human that I can be, is to believe that this is a this is a chosen time with everything that’s going on right now. This is a chosen time for me to come down into this incarnation into this body at this time with the particular family and people that I have around me with the circumstances that are going on right now. Not only does it make the most sense that I chose this, because it makes sense with everything that’s going on right now a lot of people are freaked out. And I’m kind of like, yep, this is exactly where I’m supposed to be right now, because of all the circumstances because of the demographics that I’ve come down in. And so and so where I came from, and I mean, I think that we all come from source, I mean, that that’s really kind of what it is. And I think that that’s what I’m talking about that energy that’s moving through all of us, it’s really our true nature, your essential nature, that’s really it. I think that it’s, it’s the same for all of us, and we came down and we’re in, we’re wearing these suits, you know, we’re in a brand new suit, I’m wearing the D Mike suit. And we’re and we’re able to have these different experiences and and see each other in these nuanced ways, while still maintaining that the true self like our true self, and our true nature is really the same. So that’s why I’m saying that whatever I’m talking about where I came from, is just from, from our God, Goddess nature, that we are coming into these into these human forms to have a human experience. So you’re saying that to God, nature, your essential nature source,

Brandon Handley 7:20
that’s where you came from?

D Mike 7:21
Absolutely, absolutely. Awesome.

Brandon Handley 7:23
So the idea that you come from source i think is a little bit more approachable than godlike energy, right, even though, you know, it’s the same thing. Right? Why do you think that is? Like, what’s the hang up on God?

D Mike 7:37
That’s a fantastic question. And yes, I think that there is you said it exactly right. I think that there is there’s a hang up on God. And I know that for me, in particular, there’s a whole thought form about this word, that is God and what it means. And I think that it’s tied to a lot of our upbringings. I can say for me, myself, I was I’ve been brought up in the church, Southern Baptist, and there is a whole way of thinking about God and what that means. And it’s been my experience that within the within the church, at least in my upbringing, there’s been a lot of fear behind it. And it’s a whole lot of control issues, it’s a lot of things that are saying you need to behave this way you need to do this, or else the, um, the consequences are absolutely unthinkable. And I think that that kind of brings that’s kind of brought in through our thoughts of whenever we think about God. And so even though a lot like in my upbringing were made in the form of God, even but, but still, to maybe include yourself as God, I know that there’s a lot of fear behind that, and a lot of people’s upbringing and a lot of, and it’s it’s blasphemous. And like, I’m, like I was saying, it’s just the amount of fear because of the consequences are just so great that you don’t even we don’t even want to allow that kind of fuss and thinking to come in. So to be able to think of yourself as God, or to be able to think of it in a different way. I think that’s one reason why there’s so much as the hang up because of the fear and the consequences, the way that we were brought up. I like that

Brandon Handley 9:07
right. And I think the idea too, is that the were brought up to believe and think that we are separate from God, right? And then we also have to take a look at this desert, there’s a big God, G, big G and a little G. Right? So the big God and a little God, and even then I think we have a challenge and trying to associate ourselves with God. Now if we look at the idea of in some cultures, they say God is love, right? So are you is it much easier for you to say I am loved then I am God.

D Mike 9:39
You know, that’s kind of a difficult one there to make that kind of distinction to see which one resonates more to say I am God which another reason I think that people will kind of have a hang up about that is because that kind of puts you in the all powerful all knowing and people are like, I don’t know everything, you know, I’m not all powerful. So so they want to separate themselves from that, but on that same token I know that there’s a lot of times whenever I don’t feel like I’m always loved. And you know, I think that that’s one of the big reasons I was so excited to come on to this show in particular is because, you know, we’re talking about like, Hey, this is spirituality. And sometimes it looks like this. And sometimes it looks like that. And, you know, coming from going back to my story, living in Compton, Los Angeles, and then living in Johnson County, Kansas. And I see this energy that people identify with and and so I think that me saying that I am love which one would want to be easier. I know that every day I’m feeling more compassionate. And I’m feeling more in low I’m letting my guard down a little bit more. All of the time. I’m becoming more authentic, which I think that is at our at our heart and our true nature. Is that that compassion and that love So yeah, yeah, I think that God is love and everything is a fit. You’ve heard the phrase, everything is love, or a call for love. So I think in that way, then yeah, I mean, I think that it’s easier to say that I am low rather than I am this entity that is God. Yeah, look,

Brandon Handley 11:01
man, like sometimes I burn water, right? So like, don’t you don’t give me a god, don’t give me God privileges. I’m just gonna mess it all up. Right. And the same token, I had a really good conversation with your co. co partner me this weekend, actually, one of the things that she brought up, and I thought it was really awesome, just as it relates to kind of God was that, you know, she grew up in the Catholic space, I’m sure you know much more about her than I do. I’ve spoken to her for about an hour, but she brought up the idea of having in Christianity, like an army of angels, having your back, I was like, when you can have that mentality. That’s great. You know what I mean? And having you know, you, maybe you’re maybe you can’t identify holy with I am God, but if you can identify with having God’s army, that’s got your back. I mean, that’s, that’s, that gives you a different way to go out and about, right,

D Mike 11:51
we’re sure, right? See how that would, that can provide a whole new perspective. For sure. And, and I think that that’s, and then so we’re getting into something here that I think is really important, especially coming from, from my perspective, and that’s, and that’s like the Unity the Unity principles. And so we’re getting into getting into labels and things of that nature. And, and so like, you were saying, You and me, were talking about having a host of angels behind you that are that are protecting you and helping you cool, I think that’s awesome, whatever makes you feel empowered, and and powerful and useful enable ability, you haven’t having the ability to create, I think that’s awesome, you know, some of my more more recent crowds that I’ve been hanging out, it’s like about having angels, or having guardian angels, or, or any of the being, I mean, I’ve heard any, any of the representatives or we’re even Tupac, you know, people talking about all kinds of spirits, leaders that they have. And, you know, I think that there’s a lot of crossover, if we’re talking about the angels in one religion might kind of convert and be this other entity in a different religion, but I really feel like it’s just the energy behind it. And it’s that feeling power to feeling supported. And so as far as any of the labels go, I think that, you know, my middle name is Michael. So maybe I’m calling on that Archangel Michael, you know, I’ve had several sessions where people tell me, oh, this, this angel, this person is there supporting you. And I think it’s great to feel that to feel that I’m supported. But I try not to get caught up too much in the labels.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Now I’m with you. Hundred percent hundred percent, you know, reason why I kind of resonated with that thought process myself was thinking of the universe’s benevolent right thinking that the universe, all things and like, like you said at the beginning, right, you are here at this specific time at this specific place, juncture, all these things for yourself to basically become right, you know, this, this, you’re here for one purpose, right, you were sat down here, you were, you know, putting the toaster, whatever you’re here for just like one reason, and it’s gonna be a blip on like the map of like the universe and all this other stuff. But the timing isn’t going to be so impeccable, that you’re not going to have all the support that you need in order to move forward. Right, right. Like you’re not here alone, you are here with source energy, right, which is a part of you, God soars. And so that’s the idea. Right? I

D Mike 14:15
think so. And I think that that’s really important to say that we’re not here alone. And I think that part of the decision to come down here and to be born to specific parents in a certain body, I think all of that planning and putting in the people and some of the incidents that in some, some of the challenges that you’re going to face whenever you come down here, I think that all of that is part of the planning of whenever we come down here and and and then also within that, just there’s the challenges that are kind of laid out before as well. But also there’s the helpers. Also, there’s the the people who are going to be who are going to show up at exactly the right time. Also, there’s the event that’s just going to present itself to you and the tickets to it are just going to fall out of the sky and you’re going to come in you’re going to have an amazing experience that that exact perfect If it’s going to push you forward, I also believe that that we that we have those factors that are pushing us forward as well. I think it’s all part of it. It’s all part of the planet.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Yeah. So coming out of Compton into the central United States of America, which is kind of it’s kind of entertaining, like journey, I’m sure. Right. I’ve never been to different worlds, no doubt, right? Where do you feel like you kind of stepped into this awareness or acceptance of your power?

D Mike 15:26
That’s a great question. And I think that that is sort of the underlying concept that’s really gotten me to where I am now. And to a place where I’m formulating that the Unity principles and really integrating and living them. Like I said, I always felt like I was searching for my power, even though I felt like I had a lot of tools. And I was always tapped on the shoulder, like, I was always getting these little messages, I would always see my birthday and certain number of patterns that would kind of be kind of hinting at me. And I would always be like, you know, whatever, that’s completely crazy. That’s, there’s no place for that in my life, I was just always shoved away. And I think it was up until about, I mean, it was probably 778 years ago, whenever I was in Compton. And I think it was just a dichotomy of my experience. I mean, I got to a point where, or whatever it was, I was at a point where I was like, you know, what, I know that I can do better than this, I know that I can, I can create, I know that people can do this, it was more of that, like, I know that people can do this, and I’m a person so so I know that I can I know that I can create. And and so it was the it was the contrast of looking around and seeing I mean, I was in the middle of Compton, war torn games, you know, seeing a hearse, the helicopters flying overhead every day. gunshots is just a regular thing. And so but whenever I was in this position, it was something it just pricked my heart, it was something that came in that I knew that there was something else different that was going on in the world, other than what I was feeling other than what I was seeing. And, and this this huge just waves of compassion, and just downloads of just empathy for the people that I was seeing around me for the rampant homelessness that was going on around me. And so whenever I would interact with the, with the those people, and I would see, I would feel this, this energy that was that was behind this, you know, you would think that it’s just like this is just everybody’s just distress. And nobody has any kind of, of power or any kind of hope or anything, but I felt the exact opposite. And so I think whenever I was able to feel this, this energy that when people were talking about it to like, I mean, I would talk to these homeless prostitutes that that were, you would just think that would have no place in spirituality or anything like this. And they’re talking about this energy, this thing that’s binding us together and this force and would come in, I don’t quite know how to talk about it. You know, the same thing that I’m at this, at this point, I had found a teacher in a community here in Kansas, and they were talking about these same concepts. And so in here, I’m thinking I’m in these two completely different realms, physically and spiritually, but I’m feeling the same things. And I’m, and I’m seeing and I’m witnessing the same things. The this energy that is that’s in both places, and I guess, got this idea about, about unity. And I and I saw how differently we approached strangers, because people that we don’t know, and how differently we treated them from, from people who are familiar to us. But realizing that all of those people have the same attention, we all have the same grace, we all have the same things that drive us. And and I and I want it and I got the idea. If we could live in a world and live in a society where we treat everybody, like family, we treat everybody as love, which we all want to do. You know. And that’s what I really believe. I think that we’re all kind of even though we might live in fear at some points. I believe that we all want to live this way. And if we settle into that, and allow it to come in with the shift of consciousness that I think we’re all feeling Rossing we’re all talking about, then we can make those those small shifts that it’s going to take so that we can see each other differently, and create a whole different way of relating to one another and create a whole new world. And we can do it really quickly.

Brandon Handley 19:10
And it’s perfect, right? I mean, I agree who we want to, we want to love each other. We want a lot of the same things. We of course, I think we’ve been we’ve been taught that primarily, we want it for ourselves first, which is fine, so long as we want it for everybody else, right. And I think that it’s when we realized that we want it just forever. We want it for everybody else I was more than we want it for ourselves, while at the same time giving it to yourself, like you’ve got it like I love the line. I don’t know where to how I got it from but like you’re the giver and the gift, right? Like so you’re you know, so you got to get and you also have to give that to yourself in order to resonate it. Right. So I mean, whatever that looks like for you. So you’ve got to give yourself love so that you can love. All right. I love it. One of the things that you brought up in there one thing I was just gonna I was gonna make a little, not everybody wants You saw our families retreat, you know, it’s tough, right? Some some family member, you’re like, I’m not watching you like family, but a lot that goes, what what do you think is the fear? Right? What is that fear? That’s that’s keeping us from doing this like, Well, you know, what’s that? Why aren’t why aren’t we doing this already?

D Mike 20:18
You know, and like I said, I think that this shift is, is going to be accompanied with this shift in consciousness that’s coming in. And I think that the answer the question is, what is that shift in consciousness shifting us from? And I think that what’s been instilled in us is competition, scarcity, lack. And whenever you believe in these kinds of things, then you start thinking, well, I’ve got to get for myself. And also, and also within that belief set and belief system is separation, right? Because like, you’re saying, I need to get this for, I need to want it for me and not for yourself and not for this other person, nothing for that. So it’s this idea of separation. And again, this goes back to our true or true nature and our true source, if we can get back to thinking of ourselves holistically like that, like we are one being expressed in different ways, but we’re here to support one another, then then I think that we can shift away from this separation, which then breeds competition, scarcity, lack all of those things, because that’s why we’re not doing right now. Because we’re, we’re in this, we’re in this, this bubble, this this place where we think that I’m different from you. So I need to get I need to get and there’s a lack, there’s, there’s a lack of things there isn’t there, we don’t live in an abundant universe. You know, we act like we don’t like one plant doesn’t produce an infinite amount of plants, we’ve bought into this lie, that there is scarcity. And if you have, then I don’t have. And so that’s what I think is the most important thing about unity, is whenever we realize that we’re not separate things, and it doesn’t even it doesn’t become a question of, well, I want this for me, and not you. It’s just that we want abundance. And I think that, you know, we there is abundance, and whenever we can look at it that way and think of it that way and understand that that is what shoe that once he does create an entire infinite amount of resources, and not just not just one more, and then and then we’re this, this universe is huge and ever expanding, right? We’re never going to run out of stuff and we’re not going to and we don’t need to fight over this stuff. And, and so I think that one of the main principles that I’m integrating and trying to help spread is is that of, of unity, of that of collaboration over competition, I’ve seen what happens whenever we compete, and I’m seeing what happens whenever we come together. And and I think that’s another aspect of what I’m here doing is I’ve whenever you take like the more different people are and you come together and realize their unity, the more profound the solutions and the creations that they make. And so the more courage that we can have to reach out to people who are different who look and think and that can feel differently than us the more authentically courageous we can be. And having forming these true connections and true bonds with people and realizing that we are just the separate organs of this trying to animate this this same benevolent body then then that’s when the magic really starts happening. And I think that that’s what’s keeping us from from doing it already. Is that fear?

Brandon Handley 23:29
Perfect. I love I love the imagery too. Like it’s funny you brought up Oregon’s of kind of a divine body universal body, I was think about is more like a little blood vessels or little little blood cells. Either way, you know, we’re where we are what makes up the body of this universe, right? Yeah, I love that you hit on the you know, this is an expanding universe. Let’s for a second though, is the universe. Infinite? Yes or no?

D Mike 23:59
Well, if it’s just a yes or no, just Yes or no? Um, then yes. Okay.

Brandon Handley 24:05
How does something that is infinite expand?

D Mike 24:08
So yeah, that’s a great question.

Brandon Handley 24:10
And then just let’s just couple it with these pieces. These are just pieces that I love to throw into the pie right? We are part of the universe the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate. Does that mean that we to therefore Ergo our consciousness is now expanding and an accelerated rate because we are part of the universe?

D Mike 24:28
I think that’s exactly what honestly i think you know, and that I think, I think that’s exactly what it is the universe is expanding and and i think that consciousness I really kind of feel like the the fundamental elements that makes up everything is consciousness. And I think that it’s very, you know, getting into theoretical physics and whatnot. Every time we try and review the edge of the universe, it expands or, or something happens that we’re not able to get past that and see what like what’s quite past that boundary. And yeah, I think that’s that’s the universe that’s that’s us expanding, I think us our experiences here are creating that consciousness, which is the expansion of the universe. I mean, it makes it it’s really difficult when you try to think of it in in spatial terms, we, you know, kind of finite three dimensional terms, something being infinite and expanding. But I think if we take it back to our true nature of spirit, and think about it as consciousness, and think about how we’re expanding just by, you know, we’re creating, we’re making love, we’re creating love, we’re creating consciousness. And the more that we are, the more that we’re able to focus, the more that we’re able to, to have consciousness and be conscious of ourself, which is the universe, you know, as within, so without, so the more that we’re able to focus on our own consciousness, then then that’s creating consciousness, which makes more of the stuff that we are, you know, which makes more of the stuff that is. And so that’s how something can be can be infinite and expanding. You know, whenever we think of things in terms, I mean, I’m a big math nerd. And so, you know, I love calculus and numbers and, and thinking about the concept of infinity and how something can approach infinity faster than another thing can approach infinity. So there’s different ways of thinking about this. And we try and we try and put it into our finite minds with numbers and symbols and things but really, it’s an it’s an infinite mind, that that we’re trying to access in order to think about something as big and as complicated and complex as consciousness and infinity expanded

Brandon Handley 26:33
a little bit. Thanks for thanks for that. I always, always just kind of enjoy thinking about it that way. And one of the reasons that that happens, right, you know, obviously, you know, you kind of make that connection with new or expanding our I think that we talked about you talked about like this shifting consciousness now that we’re seeing, and, and how it’s kind of almost like a tsunami, man, it’s just kind of showing up in a big way. Right. Now, one of the things that I’ll meditate on is getting to the edge of the universe and like kind of riding that wave of the like edge of the universe, right? And then of course, I’ll be like, well, how can my mind even fathom like what infinite edges are, but hey, look, man, that’s where we are. Right now we are riding on the edge of expansion. Right? So now so so I love how you kind of put it all together. And I’ll throw one thing out there for you too, because of all the people fucking Tony Robbins. I saw him last year. And I saw him last year. And one of the things that he brought up, this wasn’t like one of his things, but he just happened to be at some event put up brought up the idea of competition. And as you and I are discussing competition in this context, it’s to compete for scarce resources, right, it’s to compete for theoretically, scarce resources. Whereas, you know, he brought up the idea of competition being more in lines of just say, you know, you are great with what you’re creating and your creation, and you’re driving me to be greater, or, you know, trying, I’m trying to compete with you, in terms of bringing the best of each other out of that type of competition. I was like, Alright, Tony, you got me on that one that really just kind of, it helped me change my perception of cop, just the word competition, right? Instead of being triggered by them. Like I could see this in another way.

D Mike 28:17
For sure. And I’d love to speak on that. Because I mean, I’m the I’m the son of a baseball coach. Yeah, I was captain of the basketball team in high school. And I’m very, very competitive with my with my family members, whenever we’re playing a board games and whatnot. I’m very upset that my little sister beats me every time and every game that we play, we play. And that’s and that’s and I love a competition, you know, and competing and getting better and having that resistance so that I can I can get better. Here’s the thing. Whenever we’re done playing board games, at the end of the at the end of it, we put the pieces back into the bucks, and we hug each other and we have dinner and a drink together.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Yeah, yeah, that’s a that’s a beautiful competition right there. Right. And that’s, and that’s a competitive spirit. I think that the words been buffed up over the years, right. Like, I mean, like a competitive spirit isn’t one that wants to does living in fear. A competitive spirit is again, your essential nature is to be seen to shine to be the best of all that it can be if you cultivate it, if you if you allow for it to be, right. So that’s just just my shtick. On the one time I saw Tony Robbins and he changed my life for a minute. At least at least Hey, look, you know, it’s just the smallest trajectory, right? The Butterfly Effect all that stuff that just kind of really sets you off. The other thing you brought up to like in the very beginning here was just, you know, talking about wearing a bunch of masks, talk to me a little bit about like some of the masks you’ve worn some of the masks you’ve discarded, and maybe even some of the masks you still put on for sure.

D Mike 29:52
Yeah, no, this is a this is something that that’s really integral to my growth within the last four Four or five years ago, especially, but yes, and as I was talking about earlier, I think that maybe just the demographic and the geographic area where I grew up, you know, being a being a black male. Growing up, especially in the times, whenever, you know, people weren’t, people weren’t talking about their feelings, and it wasn’t okay to talk about it, any of that empathy and any of these kind of things. So and then, I mean, even so, then moving up to Compton. And when I was on the train out there meeting other people who told me, you have to act hard, you have to act this way, you know, in order to in order to receive love, I mean, that’s essentially what it was, in order to, in order to be accepted, in order to receive love, you have to be a certain way. So but that wasn’t me, I always felt like I was very into things that were that were maybe had a more softer kind of power to them, you know, I there was a whole other side of me that I was told that I was not able to access if I wanted to fit in. So I wanted to receive love. And so what I did is I got really good at wearing masks and putting on different airs and being a certain person in front of this person, and then a different person in front of that person. And, and I got really good at it, you know, I was able to, you know, I can make people laugh, I can be exciting. But there was still a whole side of myself, that I was pushing out of the way that was shoving down and I wasn’t allowing myself to access because I was told, and I was allowed myself to believe that it was weak, and that it was unacceptable. And so whenever I allowed myself to rise, you know, I had that awakening that I was talking about. That’s whenever I really felt like, I was like, Okay, now I can go in and I can just completely take an honest look and say, Who am I? How do I feel in this particular time in this particular incident, because I was trying to please everybody and realizing that I wasn’t able to please anyone, you know what I mean? And, and I wasn’t able to find my power because it wasn’t authentic. And so whenever I finally started saying, Okay, you know what, I have to admit to myself that I’m wearing masks, this is not me, you know, just getting courageously authentic, like that and be like, I’m gonna do this. And if if people shy away from me, that’s already happening, you know what I mean? I wasn’t able to create the relationships and things that I’ve been bringing the people into my life that were supporting me. So it just, it got me to that point where I was like, You know what, I have nothing else to lose. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna examine this and realize, Hey, you know what, this is me, this is me, I, you know, I’m emotional. You know, I cry whenever I’m excited. You know, I, you know, do do these different things that might, I didn’t think that were acceptable. And, and whenever I started looking at things like that, whenever so looking at myself that way, it’s still the exact opposite of what I thought, I felt absolutely powerful. I felt like instead of having to remember who I was, and how to react in this certain way, I could just go inside and say, How do I feel at this time? And whenever I was able to access that authenticity, then it made me see, well, I normally would have reacted like that. Okay, cool. So there’s a mask, and I’m able to see all of these different ways where I’ve contorted myself into being something different, and separated myself from from my power. And so as far as us tell us about some of the masks that I that I still continue to wear. And I think that it’s there’s a couple of things. First of all, it’s always a process, there’s always times whenever I’m going to see something else I’m like, and I feel it in my body. And like, that’s not authentic. You know, I’ll say something and I’m like, oh, wasn’t courageous there. You know, I ran a program I wear I wear a mask doing that. And so and so I’m always able to get more authentic. But then the other thing is, you know, as long as I’m aware of the masks, then whenever then I can try them on, I can put them on sometime, you know, it’s like, if I want it, I kind of feel like that’s what we’re doing. And when we’re source just we’re playing I’m playing out the mic right now. So and I can kind of do that in my real life, as long as I’m aware. Like, this isn’t how I you know what I mean? This isn’t much I’m just, I’m just playing here. I understand that I still have, I still have my anchor to my true self. But yeah, I still do. But I play with them sometimes. And and I think that it’s to me, I think it’s about the awareness of it. To me, it’s about knowing who you are your true self, and not trying to deceive, you know, I don’t do it and trying to deceive anyone and trying to deceive myself. And that’s kind of what I’m saying is, whenever I put on these masks, I make it very obvious, like, Hey, I’m putting on this mask, and I’m just playing with it. And I make that very obvious to everyone involved. But having that awareness and having that ability to come back to my true self and my true power at any time. I think that that is that’s where the true benefit of the journey happens.

Brandon Handley 34:26
The idea that it’s being aware when you put those masks on or offer or change them out. I think that that’s that’s a great one. You said it a couple times too. So we’ll hit on, you know, courageously authentic. I’ll let you know this little tidbit for me the past month or two courage has been a big one in my vocabulary that’s coming from the book, force first power where there is a map of consciousness on on there, everything below and it’s done like in a logarithmic scale. You know what that means? I don’t because I didn’t get the calculus, but it’s done in a lot of this done in a logarithmic scale. And it starts at zero, which is like, you know, and 20. And you know, up, there’s like, grief, sorrow, anger, yada, yada, yada. 200 is 200 is courage. Okay? And then you’ve got hope and love and enlightenment all up here, right enlightenment 1000. So the idea is it 200, you know, you can go up or down at 200. The idea is, once you get to 200, once you are courageously authentic, right, once you once you take that courage in that moment, you empower yourself to step into what you believe is possible, by just being you that’s where that’s where the magic, that’s where the shift happens. Right. So that’s why I bring it up. And you know, how does that relate to, you know, what you’re saying here as courageously authentic?

D Mike 35:56
Absolutely. You know, the same that that the treasure you seek lies, and in a cave that you that you feel to enter? And I think that, you know, I’ve heard it called the emotional tone scale, however you want to call it, but whenever you get to courage, I think, then that’s when you start to see the benefits. So so it’s like, you know, you’re thinking, Well, how do I get there, like, I’m too, I’m too afraid to kind of to show my true self, I don’t want to, I don’t want to have it put up for scrutiny, I don’t want to have to maybe fail at something with my true authentic self. So we stay small, and we stay, we don’t enter the cave, but whatever we do, and we and we just are courageously ourselves, it’s just a few seconds of courage, then you automatic thing, you start to see the benefit. And then I think that’s why it takes off because you like because then you start to tie that action of being authentic to the benefit. And then whenever and then whenever that happens, I know for me, it was over without for that. Because I was like, oh, I’ll have to do is get a little vulnerable for a quick second, realize that the outcome is not going to match up with the fear that’s keeping me from doing it. And in fact, this is going to be something amazing, I wasn’t sure I could attain on the other side, then then it just starts the ball rolling. And then it’s like, okay, where else can I be authentic? Where else can I be vulnerable, what other side of myself, I’ve been keeping inside and not shiny out, you know, because because of fear. But now realizing that once I do that, then people are gonna start paying attention to me. I mean, that’s whenever I started gaining attention, that’s whenever I started getting to getting momentum is whenever I started accessing that courage, and whenever I said, you know what people might think of me in a certain way, but people already think of me in a certain way, when people are gonna expect certain things from me, or people are already expecting certain things for me. So you know what, I’m going to police myself, and I’m going to be completely authentic, and I’m going to behave in the way that I want to, and that would make me proud. And that resonates with me. And that’s the thing is, whenever it’s that, you know, Oscar Wilde says, Be yourself, everyone else is taken, you know, it’s because you are the best at being yourself. And I’m not I’m not very good at being anybody else. I just try. I’ve tried to be all these other people. And I wasn’t very good at it. But whenever I started being myself, then people started responding to me, like, Wow, look at this authentic being. And I started hearing on one of my favorite compliment that I get all the time is, you’re such a bright light, you know, it’s like you’re such a bright light people come up from across, and all it is is they see me attached to my authenticity and being real. And I think that that gives permission to other people to do the same thing and to tie into your authentic, courageous authenticity. And I think that’s where the power lies.

Brandon Handley 38:32
Would you call that one of your small shifts?

D Mike 38:35
Oh, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 38:37
That’s what I mean. So in terms of, you know, you mentioned earlier, just kind of these small shifts right towards I think unity and whatnot. Sounds like you’re saying, you know, courage and this being created justly authentic is a piece of it. What are what are like one or two of these other small shifts that have benefited you that you share with others?

D Mike 39:00
Yeah, so the Unity principles that I’ve got on my website, and they’re all changing all the time and being added to and whatnot, but a lot of the small shifts, first of all, it’s it’s like we’re talking about being courageously authentic. Another one is looking at everybody, like they’re doing the best that they can, and seeing the god nature in everyone. I think that that is the reason that that is so important is because we’re social beings, and we gain our power from being in groups and being able to to support one another. And as I’ve been talking about before, the more diverse or different the people that come together with these nuanced ideas, the more profound that the shift is. And so whenever I would look out at life and see everybody as you know, nobody, everybody’s messed up, everybody’s just out for themselves and nobody has any and all this then I cut myself off from so much benefit. And whenever I started looking at whenever I started looking at everybody is just extensions of myself of non judgement, that’s kind of another spin off. That’s a That’s a huge one to not judging people. And so whenever you’re realizing that you see the best in everybody gushing about people, instead of gossiping, gushing, not gossiping, I think is is a huge one. Because I mean, for one, and just being charismatic and asking for help, whenever you’re gossiping about somebody, the person who hears you, they’re gonna attribute those negative characteristics to you, even though you’re saying that it’s somebody else. So always gossiping about somebody about people and things, that also just puts you in this mindset of searching for negative and searching for for things that aren’t going to be beneficial to you. So I think that it’s all about your perspective. And whenever you look at people like they’re doing the best that they can, even if you can’t quite get there and thinking, but if you look at people as doing the best they can, and you look at them as bright, capable angels, you know, that are there to assist you and that you have something to share and assist them with, those are some of the those are some of the principles that that I can just implement immediately, and start to see magnificent, magnificent change just right off the bat. Love those. Remember, it’s

Brandon Handley 41:03
funny, you bring that up, you know, seeing everybody that greatness, seeing the divinity and everybody has to remember coach in a bunch of like five or six year olds, and I was actually doing the assistant coaching and the guy who was coaching had been known for like 45 years, right? He was always Grandad. And I forget what I said, but he’s like, there’s something good. And each one was like, I don’t know are you see? Yeah. But I was joking, kind of mostly, but not really just in that moment. But it was great to hear somebody of his age, right saying that of all these little kids. And I thought that that was pretty powerful. Because I was I was being a judgy, son of a bitch that day. And you bring up non judgement. For me. It was going through headspace, the headspace app, and how Andy right brings up how do you train your mind? And when you have some of these thoughts and your own thoughts, and you’re judging your thoughts, right? He’s like, Don’t judge any of your thoughts as like, Ah, there is such a weight lifted when you’re not even judging your own thoughts. And then you’re like, Where else? Can I apply this non judgmental, blah, blah, blah, right? Because I can look out there somebody, I can start to think it but no judgment. Right. I mean, they’re just they’re doing and I think it came from also from Abe Lincoln, when somebody was talking to him about southerners. And he goes, you know, what, if it was me, I’d be doing the exact same thing that they’re doing, right. And like, it’s not a judgment thing. It’s like, they just happen to be doing what they’re doing, because they’re doing it. And I’m not going to judge him on it. Like, I mean, that’s not what I’m doing. Right. But I can’t say that what I’m doing is any better than what they’re doing anyways. Right? So I mean, you take judgment out of it.

D Mike 42:38
I think it’s, it’s expanded compassion, it’s expanded empathy. You know, we make up these stories, we see somebody doing something, and we automatically make up a backstory, we know what happened while they were doing this. And that’s why this is so stupid of them, like, how could they you know, and we think we know what they want, we think we know what the what the goal is, and all of this, and, and once we make up this thing, that that they should be behaving differently and better, and we know how that is, I think it’s just a, it’s a, it’s a bigger step of empathy. And, you know, I’ll try to make up, I’ll try to make up so you know, I get cut off cut off in traffic, and I try to make a different story like, wow, you know, what, I’m sure that they have something huge going on right now. You know, like, they really needed to be in that spot. And I get it, you know, what I mean? And I just think whenever we’re able to look at it, look at things like that. And I think it really expands on everything. Because I’ll find myself I’ll be I find myself like in the middle of the lane on the shoot, and I need to get in a suit. And I’m like, and I cut somebody off or something. Um, and you know, I’m sorry, but, you know, so I get it. And I think that I and just on that example, it’s one of the greatest I made a post about I just made a post about this, but it was the greatest thing I saw that happen. I was driving and I thought, there’s two cars in front of front of me, and one of them cut the other one off. And I was like, Oh, no, here we go. But you just saw that, okay, you know, I get it. And I was like, that’s the consciousness shift that I’m talking about. Right now. We’re starting to we’re starting to show up differently. We’re starting to not judge we’re starting to have that expanded empathy and tell it we’re telling a different story and realizing that we don’t know where they come from. We don’t know where they’re going. We don’t know what’s going on with them right now. So whenever we see this action, whenever we see something that we’d normally judge, like you said, At first it pops up and you’re like, you know, you get that that inkling that you want to just just tell them new one, but, but just whenever you can have that expanded empathy. I think that that’s, that’s, I mean, that’s all it says that’s that’s what the shift in consciousness is helping us to do. Thinking of other others as ourselves and telling a different story.

Brandon Handley 44:32
Do you feel like this kind of this shift in your own consciousness to sleeping with spirituality has led you to a more fulfilling life at this point in time?

D Mike 44:43
infinitely? Yeah. in in in what, how I can, how I can speak that. I think that’s the most important thing because what’s all this for? You know, it’s like, what was spirituality? Like? Why does it mean like, what are we doing and all of that? I think that That is the whole thing. And I’ve kind of touched on it before I felt powerless. And I and it was so frustrating, because I’m like, you know, I got social skills. And you know, I can I can, I can talk I’ve got, I can do all these things, I went to a good school and educated and, and all this wasn’t Why can’t I create what I want I want to create, I’m doing nothing, nothing is as I want it want it to be, and I’m not happy. And that’s what it that’s what it wasn’t, I think getting to just rock bottom as far as that, just getting to where I just, I’m not happy and realizing it. And I will try anything. I mean, I asked my dad one time, I remember, after a long night. And I was like, you know, what is the point? You know, what’s the point of all this? And he’s like, Well, yeah, you know, you, you you’re you go to school, and you get a job and you get married. And you have, and I was like, I don’t want any of that. You know, I was like none, I don’t want any of that at all. And so I was like, Well, you know what, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you don’t do all of that. What I’m saying, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you do what you’re not supposed to do. And so I started, I stopped just listening to myself and just doing because I didn’t have anything to lose. And I just wasn’t happy and started started behaving the way that I wanted to behave. And I started learning about the things that I wanted to learn. And I started allowing myself to listen to that, that beckoning that had always been kind of calling me. And so it led me on the inward journey, all of these things, these benevolent features that I placed in my life led me into this path. And I started realizing about unity, I started realizing about cooperation, I started realizing about empathy, and how and how we’re also connected, and it opens up things to me. I mean, it really does. I’m not saying that’s what it actually does, is, it makes me It gives me the self confidence and the self love, so that I can I can share that with the world. And I can call in the help Colin people who want to support me in my journey. And then through that those collaborations, it opens up a whole new world with a whole new set of resources, and a whole different mindset, and a whole new set of skills and power to be able to create precisely what I see in my head,

Brandon Handley 47:07
you got to see it there. First, you create yourself some serendipitous moments, right? When you step along that path that that you’re describing there, right? When you say, hey, this world you’re living in, that’s cool, you can have that I’m gonna go down here and see what’s over here. Right. And it’s it is it is a path that think is less traveled, I don’t know that it’s so much less traveled as it’s not talked about as much, right. And I think that one of the reasons for that is because you can’t teach it per se, right? You can’t teach somebody else what your personal experiences are. And so that that’s where it becomes a challenge. But that being said, there’s, there’s certainly key Mark indicators, right of Oh, you’re on that path of whatever. And you can tell that in the conversation and mannerisms and so on, like, okay, I kind of get where you’re at, right in life period, like it’s, and that’s going to be in a conversation with somebody who’s in a corporation, or just off the streets, like you were saying, I can talk to a prostitute who’s all cracked up and like, we can have a conversation, she could share what’s on her mind and be like, I could see where you are in your life. Right? There’s, you know, there’s different time space continuum continuums of life, right? Nothing is totally linear, whatever, all that jazz, give me a blurb, a little bit on your game of unity so that people kind of know where to go check that out and what’s happened in there,

D Mike 48:33
for sure game of unity.com I think this platform, I think, is sort of the culmination of everything that I’ve wanted to create for myself and then to be able to share with everybody and it comes from whenever I was going through the process and having this having this awakening and looking for support going down the YouTube rabbit hole all of this and looking for people who are thinking that I wasn’t insane if somebody told me I wasn’t insane, and to show some kind of support and maybe some some knowledge. And so and so that’s what this is, it’s it’s to hold your hand as you go through this process of awakening, and self actualization. It’s and it’s called game is unity because it’s fun, it’s supposed to be fun, I think that that’s what we’re here doing is we’re here to create and to and to have fun and to and to relate to one another. And I think that’s that’s probably the main thing about game of unity because what it is once you join the game when you’re in the game, then you know the council is going to be sending you different tasks and and different challenges and they’re all aimed at helping us to relate to strangers and to one another and in a more beautiful way in a more empathic and a more courageously authentic way You know, there’s challenges such as you know, before Corona Lottie was to go and, and high five, somebody who lives differently than you know, there’s no things like that, that you know, my vision of the entire world is playing this game the entire world is courageously going out, trying to connect with people who think and look and act differently from them. You know, the entire world was going out and saying this Can I support? You know, how can I get support from you? And how can we come together to create something amazing, we have the entire or the majority of the world playing this game and relating to each other in this way, realizing, hey, I want to go to France, I don’t have to, like make up a trip and see how I’m going to eat and whatever, we can just say, there’s humans there. So I’m going to be taken care of all I need to do is get there. And even there’s going to be humans along the way, they’re going to help me get there. And I think that so the game of unity is to help us and push us in that direction. And to aid us with this aid of the the shifting consciousness. Now all of this together is going to help us to relate to one another, and amazing and new and profound way. And we’re going to create bliss and heaven on earth.

Brandon Handley 50:39
Sounds like a game I should be playing. I love it, man. That’s awesome. I love that you’ve created that. Right. And I think that I think that’s one of the things that we talked about. When we first connected, right? Both of us kind of connect and creating the space for those who are like you said, Man, you’re looking for support. When you enter this realm, you’re looking for something this indicates that you’re not crazy, right? And and and so, you know, how can so many people be feeling this way? And everybody be crazy, right? So that that doesn’t make any sense. We’re rational beings, we know that’s not possible, right? Unless we’re all drinking the same water, whatever. So but the deal is, is, you know, there’s going to be different people there. Who can, you know, kind of catch you who can who can coach you into not, you know, hitting the walls, as you as you come come into this newfound space, right. So that’s kind of what you created, you’ve gotten, you’ve done it with some joy, and some creativity. So thanks for creating that man. And then and look, it’s needed. Oh, my god, did I need it right on, I was like, when when I came, you know, to my awakening, whatever you want to call, I was like, What is going on? And why do I feel so good and weird?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
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Brandon Handley 51:55
you, like any like, well, it’s and not gone. so crazy. But um, you know, so you look for some people to talk to. So you’re setting yourself up to be, like you said earlier, you know that that beacon of light right for somebody to kind of come and come and hang out with and that’s great. And you’re also doing that over on your essential nature. You want to talk about that for a second?

D Mike 52:13
Yeah, I think that that’s actually an amazing segue, because we’re talking about this, this one energy that that we all kind of came, we all kind of came from. And then we’re trying to find we’re trying to find somebody who relates to us coming down to this plane, somebody who can tell us that we’re not crazy. And so I think that that is the idea behind your essential nature that our podcast is that we do have, we were trying, we tried to be very diverse in our demographics, you know, we’ve got different races, different ages, different sexes. And so we all are kind of saying the same thing. We’re all talking about this message of unity, we’re talking about compassion, we’re talking about this energy that permeates through all of us. But whenever we have a diverse, it’s exactly what we’re talking about already having diverse people coming together to create something amazing, but also, it provides several different paths in so I mean, there might be somebody who looks at me, a guy who just moved here from content, and whatnot, and I get that he doesn’t, I don’t quite resonate with them, but then they’re gonna see they’re gonna see Ben, who’s a chiropractor. And, you know, he’s got to, he probably relates to a different demographic. And so they’ll hear his message and they’re going to come in, but then there’s going to be the people from Compton and all that, who I believe it who I’m talking about, we all have the same, the same energy moving through us. And they might like it, you know, me who you talk to isn’t like, Oh, you know, it’s kind of throw that away, and then look at me, but Okay, well, I do relate with him. And you know, vice versa, all of all of this. And that’s why so we have these different expressions, that I mean, it’s the same, it’s the same message that we’re trying to, we’re trying to express it through these different mediums, and so that we have, so that we can have something for everybody, because we want to bring everybody into this place where once you get in, you’re in and you realize none of these demographics matter, you know, we’re all the same, we’re all going through the same thing. So we’re just gonna have these different attraction points, and whenever So, so we’re calling up this world is like, hey, there’s something for everybody. And then we want to draw you into this, this layer of support and beauty. And then once you’re here, you’ll just you’ll have all the support of everyone, and you’ll be able to see all the beauty of anyone and just pushes you further into that idea of unity.

Brandon Handley 54:21
Not for sure, for sure. I love that idea of different attraction points. Okay, you guys do a great job of bringing your diversity to it. Right. And you got lots of people represented there. And, you know, I think that one of the things that needs to be recognized, and I’m terrible at it, right, like, definitely, I’ll judge somebody who’s younger than me by significant amount. I think I gave me you know, a little less credit than then do we had a great conversation. I let her know, at the end. I was like, You know what, you You brought more than I expected, which was great, right? Like, I mean, so it was like, man, I got kids and they show me more spirituality sometimes. And I see anywhere else. I’m like, Oh my god, you know, and that’s one of the things Things that we as parents try to do here is to not take that away from them. Right? How can we how can how can we keep that light that you’ve already gotten there? And the things that you and I are struggling with the all these masks and all these? How do I bring my authentic self everywhere? How do I keep my children authentic? throughout? Right? Create human beings that are authentic from day one, right? And let that stay. So because it’s already there, right? It’s, it’s the idea is that, as you and I, you know, I don’t even like the word evolve anymore, as you and I gain more awareness of who we already are. Right? It’s our work. It’s our awareness. It’s expanding, not so much that we are expanding, right? Yeah, just let you know, man. Yeah, it’s just a play on words like how do I make this work for me? And that’s all it really boils down to, right. Like you talked about earlier, like, yeah, you can say love God, whatever the hell you got to say, to make yourself sleep at night, I get it. So one thing like to kind of hit on like, so the idea of spiritual dope is like, you know, you get that spiritual high, right, from, you know, whatever spiritual sense or thing that you do. Where do you get like your spiritual hit from?

D Mike 56:10
Yeah. Oh, man, that’s a really great question. And so I think that that kind of ties into, you know, so so my phone would I fully call myself is d Mike, the young mystic. And so a reason that I call myself a mystic is because I don’t follow one teacher or one set of principles solely, you know, I try and get a little bit of, you know, a little bit from this study a little bit from this from this study, and live from this practice. And so I would say that I get it from life, I get it from so many different places, but then I think it’s always about taking it back inside and seeing what resonates, I get my, I get my, my spiritual hit from experiencing as much of life as I can. And that’s people, places things, everything. And then whatever I read and take in from people, I immediately take it in, and I assess it, you know, courageously and authentically, what feels good to me. And whenever I’m listening to audio books, when I’m listening to podcasts, there’s always something that will, that will stick with me something that will kind of resonate with me. And I’ll always give myself the space to explore that, you know, write it down, make a note of it, however, and then explore it. And just through my, through my experiences, I think that’s where I get that spiritual hit. It’s whenever I manifest, I mean, in whenever you manifest something, so specifically, you hold something in your mind, and you go through the the manifestation processes, and then you don’t even realize it, but then you just sort of become aware and you’re like, Whoa, this is what I created in my head. You know, that’s my spiritual hit, being able to help somebody whenever I’m sitting across from from someone, and you’re able to just gently listen to them. And I’m in that space with them. And I’m looking out through with with four eyes now from their space, and I’m able to see something that they weren’t, and I’m able to help them, help them have that light go off. You know, that’s where I get my spiritual from helping people. You know, like I said, I cry whenever I get emotional, anytime that I see somebody helping somebody or, or seeing somebody going out of their way, in bringing that consciousness and that empathy into real life interacting with people. That’s where I get my spiritual hit from, from life from people. And from my interaction with the world. Perfect, man, I

Brandon Handley 58:25
love it. I love it. You got your spiritual hit from life. And it’s funny, because, you know, like, Ohio life was somebody I’d laugh at, like years ago. I’m like, Yeah, that makes sense. Now, that’s, you’re so right, you can’t get on in life. So it’s funny how life changes. So where and I appreciate you stopping on today. Thank you so much for being here. Where can people go find you?

D Mike 58:45
Yeah, for sure. So I’m keeping up to date with unity.com is where I store everything that I’ve got coming up that I’m doing, which is a lot here, especially towards the end of the year. There’s so much being able to be on so many amazing podcasts like this. And then yeah, so game of unity calm, follow my blog there and join the game, then you’ll be able to see everything that’s that I’ve got coming up. Your essential nature is on all the podcasts and Spotify, YouTube, all those those mediums, so check us out. They’re

Unknown Speaker 59:14
awesome.

Brandon Handley 59:16
Thanks again, like,

D Mike 59:17
hey, thanks. Appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 59:24
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Brandon Handley 0:01
Have chapter one ideal life on both podcasts and the video. So part two, we’re going to go into the first ripple, which is individual change. And, you know, the first ripple is, you know, be you want to be so involved with work that you that you love so much that the time flies and to me, that brings up the idea of the book and the concept of flow by Matt Haley, and I don’t have his last name in front of me, but but my Hayley, and, you know, the idea is that you continue to grow each time you continue to learn and you continue to expand on what you already know and love and and converge on. And, you know, when you do that time will fly. That’s part of the first ripple of individual change. A penetrating awareness of the course that you are creating, what what, where do you want it? Where do you see yourself right? What exactly is it that you are creating, and when you become aware of the choices that you are making and what you are doing with your life and your goal for life, then then the course becomes, develops more clarity. Alright, so again, here are a couple that come in here a clear knowledge of your place in the scheme of the universe. That’s, that’s something that, that you’ll recognize in this and that also aligns with vision, you’ve got a vision, you may not know how to get to that end. But as you chart that course, that we’re talking about, in the course of creating the becomes becomes clear as you work along.

Unknown Speaker 1:53
The work that you do,

Brandon Handley 1:56
feeds and brings you great contentment and peace you’re getting this is the idea that you are getting what you put into the universe if you’re if you’re doing this work to serve others and to help them come along themselves and to bring them along. And it’s not just for you. Um, that’s you literally you get what you attract, right? That’s the idea is to concept in my mind, again, this current level of understanding, you will face obstacles, those obstacles are not designed for frustration. those obstacles are designed to bring out the best in you, they help you to create a strong, sharp edge going back up the flow. And the idea is you’re on the ever expanding edge of the universe. And you have to keep in mind that we are approaching all of this as though the universe really only wants what is best for you because you are a part of the universe and the universe is put you here for some reason and purpose and it wants to see you succeed so the universe is in full support of your endeavors and this is just a mindset that you create within your individual change in your individual change as you go through this lock doors will open mysteriously you don’t need to know how some of these things are going to happen. You simply have to believe that they can and that they will and I can tell you from personal experience that this happens you put the vision out there and you put it out there with the intent with a with your purpose and and you take the first couple steps towards that and and things begin to open up and it’s a it’s this kind of indescribable but it happens you essentially your personal life becomes more fulfilling right? And to be to be honest with you looking for how the question should be how do I have a more fulfilling life To me it’s not your why your why it’s weaksauce your why it’s cool, it’s a sure it’s a it’s a it’s a cool, it’s like a pebble in the bottom of the lake. Right? Um, to me, the bigger piece this is your What is it that’s going to bring you ultimate fulfillment in your life. I also love that he hits on the idea is if you’re a parent as I am, and if you are understand that you know in this individual change that child or children will bring you great satisfaction also know that they will chart their own path and that you will not be able to To see their path,

Unknown Speaker 5:01
however,

Brandon Handley 5:04
if you will be their springboard and know that and to know that that’s the case, to me that that brings me very much satisfaction. Being a parent and seeing it, I mean, see right now, I was working with Liam, my youngest to go, you know, create a video or do something he wants to do him my vision, my path, start his path, I can give him the ideas, he can give me his ideas, and I can try and help him and enact those. And however he decides to do it is up to him each day, and the individual change is going to be a, it’s going to be an improvement over the day before, each one day more perfect than the day before. If you can imagine it. Maybe you don’t think that the day before you today was perfect, but who knows. Just talking to I just had an interview, I just recently had an interview and the Word Perfect means that you don’t need anything else, right? don’t need any more to to to get through the day or two to get through life. So if you look at yesterday, did you have everything that you needed? In sometimes Did you have everything that you wanted in that day? It’s neat, but like, did you have everything that you needed in order to have a successful day, and if that’s the case, and you had a perfect day. So know that today, maybe and probably is more perfect than the day before. You will feel an infinite amount of gratitude. And this gratitude is tough. Gratitude is tough because most of us, especially as men are going through life in an A, in what we’re going through it and a analytical mind first kind of thing. And as men in Western society, we’ve been taught to shut down or remote odds, shut that shit down. Right. So everything’s by thought, everything’s by analytics. Everything’s by logic, everything’s linear. And that’s just that’s just, that’s just not the case. So the feeling of gratitude is something that we need to implement. And once we begin to get in contact, touch our feelings and understand what those feelings are. We can begin to feel gratitude. And as we think and feel gratitude at the same time. We are we are then tuning it in, right we are then we’re then tuning ourselves to gratitude, mentally, with feeling and we are pulling that into our lives. You will recognize throughout all this process, right? This is again, this is the first individual change you will recognize all this is is the cosmic principle, which according to this book is the merger or emerging of spirit, body and mind.

Unknown Speaker 8:21
Ultimately,

Brandon Handley 8:22
sensation and feeling is really indescribable. I’ve done a podcast called I’ve done a podcast based on word called numinous with Carl Jung, and Theodore auto where whereby you have tried to capture some of what that cosmic principle looks and feels like. There’s other ways to go through it and feel that but that’s one way to recognize it. So this type of life is your birthright. There’s nothing like this. It’s nothing. This isn’t entitlement. This is open to everyone. And it doesn’t matter how old or young you are. Sure, birth rate. I mean, God I had a conversation the other day with my wife and I love her death. And she goes, you know, I’m not special. Nobody special. We’re not you know, we’re not a bunch of special snowflakes out there. Yes and no. Yes. And everybody is special and everybody’s looking for a way to express themselves. The thing is, is that you’ve been taught not to express yourself to the fullest of who you are. You’ve been taught to express yourself in an industrial age into what you know, what is it about you that is most productive in an industrial environment. We are not industrial beings. We are fucking human beings. So what you got to do is convert back If you are, and understand that this is, indeed, your birthright, and as we go through this book, you’ll understand that this is this is a process a way to achieve it. And so during the first ripple of individual change, you will also recognize that you must desire this desperately, you must want this with all of your being all of who you are. But you must also be okay with the dot happening. It like what the hell man? And this is what a Sreekumar calls the desire, paradox desire issues a paradox. And he also because because all paradoxes are resolved with greater understanding, and we can look at, we can look at, you know, what are some things that you wanted, when you were younger? What are some things that you wanted, when you were younger, you desired it, desperately, but they didn’t happen. And, you know, sometimes, sometimes I can tell you with myself sometimes, like, for example of, you know, I partied way too hard back in the day, and what would have happened if I had been, you know, super rich, or had access to a lot of money in party that same way, I would have bought, like, more more jobs or more of these things, and those things that I desired at that time. Maybe they might have killed me, right, and we go scroll back up, and we’re gonna say, all right, well, let’s not forget that the universe, a universe is really kind of got my back on this right. In the universe’s, like, he may not deliver on that. Because that’s not in my best interest. That could be, you know, something that kills me. And so thank you universe for not delivering on some of those. That sub desire pirate paradox, again, the best that the greater understanding is, you know, then I’m like, Man, I’m pissed and upset that this didn’t happen. today. I’m grateful and thankful, as I continue to go through life and learn and grow more, and can deliver some of these messages as I have a different level of understanding. As it says, as we’ve talked about, and the story of the you know, kind of like the layman and the master, right, attempting to rush this will double the time to achieve and impede progress. Again, imagine, if I put up a wall I put up, you know, even if it’s an energetic wall, I create something and I put something in the way of allowing something in I am impeding progress by trying to go harder, faster, I’m not going to recognize I’m not going to see things because I’m too focused on my personal desire,

Brandon Handley 13:14
versus what may truly be better for me. So again, nature like a vacuum. Soon, as soon as you remove any energy or substance from an area, nature will replace it with another universe like, you know, likely result that you are seeking. And you can do something you can do with like half the effort. Right? Imagine, imagine that and I’m sure that you’ve, you’ve tried to open a jar of whatever. And, and sometimes you’re turning, you’re turning, you’re suing you putting all this effort in one way. But if you almost like if you loosen the grip a little bit and turn it like with a little less effort, it finally releases. So that’s going to be the first ripple of individual change. I’m going to cut it here as well.

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What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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What are you communicating to the universe?
What are you communicating to the universe?
The Universe Conspires

Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on. Here we go. What’s going on doing this one through otter AI just to see if it transcribes while I talk, and just wanted to see how that turned out so what are we doing here today. Welcome to the podcast so glad you could join us here on spiritual dope. Today we’re gonna, I guess we’re just gonna try and go for a hit right you know spiritual get your head get those have kind of a spiritual uplifting as it were maybe it’s a download thing who knows how you’re gonna handle it but what I want to do today was say hey, it was decision time, right, you’ve done everything right. You play all the reindeer games. You went to the right schools. You listened to and followed all the rules that you still can’t seem to break through right you’re in the same place working your ass off for 40 to 60 hours a week, maybe you’ve been doing it for the past 1520 years. You work harder. Okay, sure, you were told to work harder you work smarter, okay I’m not really sure what smarter looks like but you’re still working. 40 to 60 hours a week and if you’re still working 40 to 60 hours a week. You’re still pretty much to me. Just working harder. Right. And then you’re like shit I’m still in the same place with the same people, somehow, even my problems are all the same, right. Well, here’s what I learned while I was reading the book, are you ready to succeed. I’ve read it several times, I recommend it to everybody I speak to. And one of the first things that, st, st Kumar hits on his mental

Unknown Speaker 1:52
models. Right.

Brandon Handley 1:55
We talked kind of like about your mental models that you had created for your entire life. You just, that’s how you end up with the same problems right the same way of thinking that got you here isn’t going to be the same type of thinking that gets you there, right, some of the some of the mental models I had were were stuff like. Be a man and you know take take it all and be a superhero and put it all on your own shoulders you never need hope suck it up right suck it up Buttercup, that kind of thing. And you know even, even as I was older, you know, working in some pretty, pretty cool awesome jobs actually surrounded by super smart people and this is I mean look you hear coming out my voice still like well I was like what was I doing surrounded by all these super smart people, you know, people with MBAs and great education is I was always terrified and stuff that they would figure. I said, What if they find out that I’m a high school dropout well they even listen to me then. And, you know, so how is this model serving me How is this way of thinking, serving me, how is this beneficial. Right. Does it feel like that for you. Sometimes I gotta ask, you know, does it feel like, you know, the models that you’ve been using for yourself. Have you standing in the same place using the hamster wheel stuck in the mud. You know, up against the same wall, day after day after day and nothing ever changes right. So, in this books. sukumar brings up the idea that he was taught by his own Indian mother, that this is a benevolent universe. And this universe is looking out for, for you. Right. It was looking out for him. And he disregarded her for years he would make fun of her he’d say stuff like, Well, why doesn’t a melon just pop up here for me you know and appear from the universe it’s benevolent universe and, you know, I think any, any good parent does you, you don’t really charge your child you just you just realize when someone your child’s not ready to accept that yet right they’re not they’re not ready to regard that idea, as, as true you know eventually though he had a shift in his own mind. And when he did and he applied this model to model of the universe being benevolent his own world began to change. And it’s kind of like at this point where it’s very similar to Alcoholics Anonymous right he recognized that he had a problem. He recognized that he had a poor mental model that was not empowering him. Right. And then he went ahead and he accepted that there was a power greater than himself. That was the universe that not only could it help. But, it, it also wanted his greatness, to come through as well right it was it was vulnerable, it was on his side. It was on his side. And I read this book it took me so long to get around to even reading it, but when I, when I read this. I began to apply it to my own life and I did it very very kind of lightly. You know, just kind of like happenstance is listening because once this stuff gets into your head and you accept any of it. And you just apply it right it’s not just it’s not just sounds like you can’t not apply it. Once you’ve read it. Right, so it’s almost like you’ve got a new. I would say that the, your mind is like Google, and whenever you read a book, or listen to a story. It goes into the subconscious that somehow right it goes into the recesses of your mind and it’s always going to be available so this idea to be was available to me. It was new, and it was a, you know, I had a mental model that I was now rebuilding. I was building this new mental model. And it was pretty neat right because now I’m seeing the universe in an entirely different manner. As a matter of fact, it was like I had a brand new friend. Everything I did, it was no longer just me. Who’s mean to you hear my, my best friend, the universe. Right. And I’d be gone too, as Alan Watts suggested to trust

Unknown Speaker 6:31
the universe

Brandon Handley 6:32
as another. And what happens when you trust the universe is not only just another. But the idea that it’s a benevolent universe and that the universe wants these good things to happen for you.

Unknown Speaker 6:46
So I

Brandon Handley 6:48
opened it up to the very simple possibility that it may actually be true, you know, just a super, it’s a possibility. Right. And I was able to face the universe and honestly a whole new way.

Unknown Speaker 7:07
I felt

Brandon Handley 7:08
in some ways that if you know sometimes like things don’t work out and you’re going through this process your new mental model right and and how do you look at it so now instead of saying, oh man this is shitty that didn’t turn out for me and that guy was an asshole and man he just didn’t get where I was coming from man. You know what I mean like instead of putting it, kind of out there in that way. I would I would really kind of address it and not even like an odd, you know we talked about being positive on this and positive on that. Well, I began to address it in such a way that I was like well maybe the universe knows something in that scenario that maybe my life would have turned out like shit if I think this way, you know full full on out, and I’m able to dismiss it, or, or I can just simply say hey maybe this didn’t turn out for XYZ, and instead of getting bummed out about it, look at it as an opportunity to improve myself so that the next time that shows up, you know look go back, take notes reflect here’s what went wrong. Here’s what went right capture that. And, you know, give myself the opportunity to to redress it should that particular situation ever show up again.

Unknown Speaker 8:17
And sometimes, you know,

Brandon Handley 8:19
stuff on the surface didn’t seem awesome again. On the surface, they don’t seem awesome. But in my mind as they will say we know what that’s, I’m so glad that this happened. You know the example I’m thinking of right now was you know I’d lost an amazing job or on the surface again looked like a great job. It wasn’t a bad job. But when that job was no longer there. So many other possibilities became open to me that I hadn’t been pursuing

Unknown Speaker 8:56
because I had the job.

Brandon Handley 8:58
Right, I had this kind of invisible tangible stuck to my leg, keeping me with with it within like a six square foot radius of, of all the things. Is it a square foot when it’s a circle,

Unknown Speaker 9:11
I don’t know,

Brandon Handley 9:14
but I wasn’t I wasn’t aware of these opportunities. Because I because

Unknown Speaker 9:19
I was stuck in

Brandon Handley 9:21
this other mental model of doing these other things I’m doing this job and, you know, I wasn’t aware of these other opportunities because I was stuck. But by seeing the universe as another, I see the universe as being benevolent and on my side, I was able to free my mind up right from these constructs these constant constructs of a fear. Overall worry. And honestly, you know, for me, it’s been very liberating and freeing, and, you know, do I stop and say okay universe has dropped all the things in my hands no I still show up and I still go to work, but I’m able to approach it in a different manner, right I’m able to approach it with the universe, rather than me against the world or the universe against me. Now we’re kind of in tandem. Right. So, you know, it’s a model that I’m using. And the real challenge is for you to make a decision, a decision the current, you know, to, to, to continue with your current model. Right, or to begin to do in my mind, what you were personally born to do you were born

Unknown Speaker 10:42
to create.

Brandon Handley 10:45
And right now you have an opportunity to create a new model, one where you and the universe are in partnership. A partnership that has clear communication.

Unknown Speaker 10:59
Feel free to speak to the universe, let it know

Unknown Speaker 11:04
some of your wants some of your wishes.

Brandon Handley 11:07
Right. Let’s say stay up, have some fun with it to be light hearted about it, you know. And, and just say hey universe What’s up, this is what I’m looking for. These are a few of the things. And, and trust it right High Five the universe. Because here’s what’s gonna happen if you so choose to decide to go this route right and you begin to look for evidence that the universe is listening. And trust me when I tell you that. Once you begin to see the evidence that this model is working for you. The universe with you. It may not be possible for you to ever go back, right. I’ll post a link on the podcast, and at the website, spiritual dope co to the book if you’re interested,

Unknown Speaker 12:02
the

Brandon Handley 12:04
otter will be having the transcription to this too if you want to read through it. And my only real big ask on top of all this stuff so really the call to action is for you to create a new mental model for yourself. Okay. And try to put it into practice universe, God,

Mitch, whoever, you know, call call it what you want but understand. If you accept that there’s a power greater than you that is willing to work with you, then you begin to see this whole thing in a different way. So, try it out. If it doesn’t work for you, you know, if you don’t find evidence that the universe is listening then shut it down what’s it gonna cost you, right. You don’t have to tell anybody about it. All you got to do is have someone to thoughts and think and see and look and and you know it’s put a model into place. Worst case scenario. You’re still where you are today, tomorrow. Right. And so, look, if you like what you’re hearing. I’d love to hear from you. be sure to reach out, shoot me a message

Unknown Speaker 13:15
at Brandon at spiritual dope.co. Take it easy.

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Can you awaken yourself while playing with a Ouija board?

Stranger things have happened!

Join me today as I explore the role that spirituality has played in the life of Mona Loring.

Founder of the following:

Mona founded MLC PR, a boutique public relations firm specializing in tailored publicity services. MLC PR maintains a  broad spectrum of clientele ranging from award-winning TV, film and  Broadway actors; musicians and record labels and more.

Mona launched Conscious Living simply due to my own personal passion for the mind, body and spirit connection. There was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press and manage the brands and individuals within them properly. 

In addition Mona has her own holistic life coaching practice integrated with shamanic healing.

Where to connect with Mona:

https://www.conscioushealingco.com/

https://www.instagram.com/healingbymona/

http://www.consciouslivingpr.com/

http://www.instagram.com/consciouslivingpr

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  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:01Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:00:14Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:00:33The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:00:37I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:00:45And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:01:01Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:01:06As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:01:25Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:01:29And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:01:40And you always you always hear people say, well, you got to change the I got to to I get to but you gotta change. Yeah, go to school, I get to so
  • 00:01:49Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:01:52Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:02:01Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:02:08I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:02:25That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:02:30I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:02:39Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:02:43The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • 00:02:58That’s like the best time so I’m gonna go with that one.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:01Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:03:11Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:14I’ll celebrate those a spiritual high for sure. So here’s the premise. Right. The show’s premise podcast premise, whatever you want to call it.
  • 00:03:23Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:03:39And to be okay.
  • 00:03:40You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:03:53I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:03:58Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:16Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:04:26You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:04:34Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:04:44I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:04:57And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:05:02Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:05:13Keeping the job. And that’s how I actually started publicity. So it started from day one out of the norm. And when I track it back. I can literally just like look at the lines.
  • 00:05:24That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:05:32Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:05:36Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:05:46Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:05:49He felt like I was BS in him because he was like, how do you know the answer to how you would do this when you’re telling me honestly that you’ve only done PR for six months and you’re painting your publicist, but you’re and I’m like,
  • 00:06:02I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:06:16And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:06:27If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:06:31And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:06:38I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:06:47Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:07:00You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:07:08Letting go of these people that she’s worked on for so long and they’re finally at this level and
  • 00:07:12She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:07:15Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:07:18But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:07:30It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:07:39So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:07:48But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:07:55Am really great at doing the talent PR. It just, I get it, I can do it in my sleep. I know what people want. And I’ve learned over the years that being intuitive doesn’t hurt NPR, you know, you really can be one step ahead of things.
  • 00:08:08Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:08:23you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:08:39We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:08:42Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:08:51Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:07A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:10Right, like and and
  • 00:09:12Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:09:18You took a conscious living stand right you said and you let go of some people you broke out of a scarcity mindset, right.
  • 00:09:27Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:09:39Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:09:44Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:53That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:53Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:09:54Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:10:00Another yeah yeah
  • 00:10:02And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:10:10Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:10:18Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:10:21Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:10:26Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:10:36Don’t have that chemistry, you’re not right for each other. You’re not supposed to be on the past with each other, you know, and it goes into that other saying you’re either a blessing, our lesson.
  • 00:10:45And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:10:48Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:10:51And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:11:00All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:01Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:02Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:09not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:17But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:11:21I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:11:29I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:11:34They weren’t for me.
  • 00:11:35They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:11:37And letting that go
  • 00:11:39And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:11:48You know, you have got to let
  • 00:11:51Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:12:04X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:12:11So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:12:27And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:12:35But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:12:48Well, you know, a
  • 00:12:52The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:13:02everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:13:17It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:13:21I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:13:27So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:13:33What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:13:45It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:53So, it
  • 00:13:55Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:14:06I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:14:13Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:14:17What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:14:25And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:14:35What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:14:40Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:14:49I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:14:59And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:15:15I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:15:27That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:15:47And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:15:51But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:15:57And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:16:01You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:16:10You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:16:25It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:16:29I love it, I love it. Would you would you be able to say like any specific kind of like awakening moment, would you consider that the awakening moment or would you consider something else.
  • 00:16:42Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:16:50You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:17:03So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:17:22Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:17:40Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:17:41And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:17:47Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:17:54I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:18:02And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:18:11And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:18:25And
  • 00:18:27Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:18:28Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:36Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:18:43That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:18:51Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:03So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:06Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:19:16A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:19:29No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:42There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:43terrified about like
  • 00:19:45judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:19:47Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:19:55Awesome.
  • 00:19:57That’s great. Um,
  • 00:19:58But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:20:06I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:20:18And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:20:22You’re leaving some shadows and work that you really need to face behind to life is about balance, you know,
  • 00:20:28And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:20:37I was like, Are these ghosts. Are these, like, is this demons and I was thinking that that. And so I was just bringing over more darkness and it was freaking me out, you know,
  • 00:20:46So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:20:56And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:21:06You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:17Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • 00:21:21Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:24I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:21:36That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:21:39Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:21:55Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:21:59Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:04Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:22:21I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:22:29Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:35Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:36You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:48It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:22:56And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:22:59I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:17You know,
  • 00:23:18Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:20Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:06Hey,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:07Hey,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:08How are you
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:09I’m good, how are you
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:10I’m doing well well enough for
  • 00:00:13mid May covert mid May right
  • 00:00:17How you doing today.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:18Oh babe in May.
  • 00:00:21I’ve been just working slowly but surely today and all going well. So, can’t complain.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:28Nice.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:29I hear so many people that are just out of work. So it’s like to even have work to do. I’m like,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:34Right, right. Like, I mean, I can’t
  • 00:00:38I don’t know. I can’t imagine like trying to think about being out of work and trying to find work during all this stuff right
  • 00:00:47It was it was
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:48Rough yeah
  • 00:00:49Yeah, nobody knows what they’re gonna do next. And I think that’s all part of this, though. We just have to lean into it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:56And he’s got a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen. Right. I mean, a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen just a, you know, kind of, gotta just like you said, lean into it and
  • 00:01:05Do it right. Well, what else, what else, what else can you do right just
  • 00:01:09And look, there’s the there’s going to be moments of pain and whatever. But that’s all theoretical growth if that’s what you’re into.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:20A true
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:21Right, right. Well, so look I’m super excited. Do this. Thank you. Thanks for hopping on
  • 00:01:27You know, there’s so much we can chat about and and we will so
  • 00:01:35I’m gonna, you know, kind of do an intro on you and
  • 00:01:39I’m going to kind of bounce around your three or three different things, right.
  • 00:01:43There enough
  • 00:01:44Because I could forget something else in mind.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:46I’m gonna go with your flow. I’m good.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:50All right, well, you asked for.
  • 00:02:00Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:02:13Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:02:32The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:02:36I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:02:44And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:03:00Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:03:05As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:03:24Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:03:28And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:03:48Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:03:51Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:00Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:04:07I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:04:24That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:04:29I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:04:38Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:04:42The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:05:00Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:05:10Yeah.
  • 00:05:22Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:05:38And to be okay.
  • 00:05:39You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:05:52I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:05:57Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:06:15Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:06:25You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:06:33Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:06:43I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:06:56And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:07:01Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:07:23That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:07:31Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:07:35Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:07:45Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:08:01I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:08:15And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:08:26If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:08:30And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:08:37I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:08:46Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:08:59You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:09:11She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:14Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:17But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:09:29It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:09:38So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:09:47But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:10:07Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:10:22you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:10:38We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:10:41Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:10:50Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:06A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • 00:11:11Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:11:26Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:11:38Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:11:43Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:52That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:52Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:11:53Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:59Another yeah yeah
  • 00:12:01And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:12:09Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:12:17Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:12:20Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:12:25Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:12:44And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:12:47Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:12:50And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:12:59All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:00Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:01Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:08not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:16But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:13:20I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:13:28I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:13:34They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:13:36And letting that go
  • 00:13:38And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:13:47You know, you have got to let
  • 00:13:50Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:14:03X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:14:10So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:14:26And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:14:34But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:14:47Well, you know, a
  • 00:14:51The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:15:01everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:15:16It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:15:20I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:15:26So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:15:32What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:15:44It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:15:52So, it
  • 00:15:54Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:16:05I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:16:12Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:16:16What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:16:24And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:16:34What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:16:39Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:16:48I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:16:58And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:17:14I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:17:26That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:17:46And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:17:50But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:17:56And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:18:00You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:18:09You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:18:24It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • 00:18:41Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:49You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:19:02So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:19:21Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:39Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:40And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:19:46Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:19:53I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:20:01And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:20:10And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:20:24And
  • 00:20:26Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:20:27Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:20:35Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:20:42That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:20:50Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:02So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:05Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:21:15A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:21:28No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:41There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:42terrified about like
  • 00:21:44judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:21:46Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:21:54Awesome.
  • 00:21:56That’s great. Um,
  • 00:21:57But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:22:05I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:22:17And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:22:27And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:22:45So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:22:55And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:23:05You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:16Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:23I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:23:35That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:23:38Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:23:54Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:23:58Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:03Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:24:20I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:24:28Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:34Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:35You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:47It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:24:55And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:24:58I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:16You know,
  • 00:25:17Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:19Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:19Were you Joseph Campbell, right, like the whole his
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:23So just, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes.
  • 00:25:25But I look
  • 00:25:26What was he did he, what do you mean, kind of, in what way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:29Well, so
  • 00:25:31There is no George Lucas based pretty much the whole premise.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:34I was wondering if somehow either involvement. Okay.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:37Yeah, so I know that for a very long time, actually the hero’s journey like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:42I know
  • 00:25:43Now the the connection to Star Wars and not until I don’t even know last year. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:49Well, so, so I you know probably vaguely heard about it not heard about like the hero’s journey, a couple of times. And it wasn’t until I watched that, you know, PBS special that they have on Netflix with with him and like
  • 00:26:02He’s so awesome. I’m like, like, you know, there’s so many great people that hit dead. I’m like, so pissed. Like, you know,
  • 00:26:09Going back like Wayne Dyer Alan Watts and and like you know just so can we like what
  • 00:26:15You guys could you couldn’t wait like 10 more minutes.
  • 00:26:18Right. You know what I mean. Um, but yeah. So yeah, it’s, it’s
  • 00:26:21When you can see it through the lens that you’re talking about, you’re seeing it to like this other lens and
  • 00:26:27It’s very, it’s very much that cliche. Well, when you know when the student is ready, the master will appear.
  • 00:26:33Like you’re like, yo,
  • 00:26:35Yo, you were so on top of things.
  • 00:26:40That’s great. Um, yeah. So I wanted to want to ask you just kind of like, so I got this this weird book.
  • 00:26:47It’s called weird because I’d never heard of it before and then I picked it up and it’s like, is this really based off of like orthodox like Christianity and this guy also Carl, whereas the Carl call free graph Durkheim, he spent some time spent about 10 years with
  • 00:27:03Zen Buddhist in Japan, like like 30s and 40s, RIGHT. SO HE WAS KIND OF
  • 00:27:08Hanging he was probably hanging out with watts. I’m guessing at some point. Right. But there’s a couple of lines in here that, like, you know, really, really struck me and I’m just gonna, I’m just curious if they kind of resonate with you. Right.
  • 00:27:19We talked about the limitations. Right. The once you realize there’s no limitations or you’re limitless as a human being. Right. I mean, so before him now are open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries. Right. Like, I mean,
  • 00:27:32How does somebody know this stuff right like
  • 00:27:36Before him now are now open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries, right, like, and that talks limitless.
  • 00:27:44Right. Um, let’s find the other one because. So, this you know you talk about, like, you know, kind of getting wrapped up and it was all too much like at a certain point and this is the, the whole thing my awakening.
  • 00:27:58Aspect didn’t happen prior to like about three or four years ago right and
  • 00:28:03You know, it was like a punch in the gut. And I was like, What is going on now. I had the benefit of having a hippie mom, I was born in San Francisco. Like I had like all the like I was like oh shit this is everything that I’d heard about then laugh that
  • 00:28:18Right.
  • 00:28:20But, you know, so, but this is this is the line right life no longer turns around, man. But around divine being and its manifestation. Right. Like, I mean, so that’s
  • 00:28:29Right, like where you realize there’s there’s a something’s missing. It’s like the divine aspect and like once you know that kind of did you get right i mean you’re wrapped up around it. Now, right, like that’s what gives you life my inner out. What do you think
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:45In what way, what do I think about which far
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:47I mean, you know, so I mean you’re no longer kind of wrapped around like the the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:51Attachments and man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:53Just demand stuff right like it’s like it’s like really what’s driving life is like the divine light in you or you know something along those lines, right, like that’s the greater driving force.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:05I mean my again my head goes in so many directions with that, um,
  • 00:29:11YOU KNOW, IT’S FOR ME. IT THE POWERFUL PART OF THAT was the manifestation hub and you know I’m going so many places because of what I just recently read to
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:29:23What do you recently read
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:24Well, I was reading about a little bit more about the fifth dimension.
  • 00:29:29And I was reading about parallel lives.
  • 00:29:31Hmm. And so I’m like, I’m like, you’re like oh no you’re taking me somewhere else, right now, but
  • 00:29:35To do it.
  • 00:29:36Um,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:38It just made me think of how you know we we think for so much of our lives, because we’re conditioned. We think that what we are is just what our body is right, and the man, the
  • 00:29:49See, and what we actually see
  • 00:29:51Which is so funny to me because when you stop and think about it so much of what we don’t see we take as reality, too. But then when spirit comes into it for like
  • 00:30:01You know,
  • 00:30:03And I just recently did read about how people don’t question dreams.
  • 00:30:08And then dreams are real and you have a dream, but yet, how does that, how do you know it’s real, it’s the same thing as someone just telling you that they have
  • 00:30:16But yeah everybody accepts that right. Um, so this was just leading me down the rabbit hole of thought of, you know, Parallel Lives and just how
  • 00:30:29It’s not the body, it’s, it’s this the soul, and how many lives each soul has and spawns and there’s so many different than
  • 00:30:37The old different markets, but, um, you know, also, I’m thinking about how
  • 00:30:45Oh, man. It’s so funny when you get me started. It’s hilarious. I’m like, I need to. I need to really think about where I want to go and what I want to tell you because I wanted to so many different things, but you know just what you think becomes right
  • 00:30:58And so I think this is another part and what that quote was saying is, you know,
  • 00:31:04You manifest what your life is. I mean, I tell my clients all the time what you think you become and earlier you had kind of said something along the lines of
  • 00:31:14Something about scarcity with my business. And, you know, was I afraid and, you know, for some reason, one of the most I’m so grateful for this gift and personality trait, but I’ve never been afraid of luck.
  • 00:31:26I’ve never been afraid of scarcity. I’ve always just been like, well, if I think I can do it. I can do it.
  • 00:31:32That’s nice. And it is nice and I’m very grateful for that. Because I know that it’s difficult. If you can’t, and there’s been times where that stumped me more recently than not, which has been really interesting, but I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:44Gonna be a curious.
  • 00:31:45Point to when when you when you’re stumped. You like well, like you said that that doesn’t make any sense. This isn’t, this isn’t so there’s something in that right like what what is there, like, you know,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:57locking it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:57Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:59You know, so
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:59I mean, so, as you know, I think that’s an interesting question two is like as a as a sham. And as a light worker somebody that’s intuitive medium, who do you go to when you need up
  • user avatarMona Loring00:32:13Man, I have some amazing people that I guess you know
  • 00:32:15And I want to, I want to correct one thing I don’t call myself a Sean I’m I’m semantically trained. I feel like the identity of a shaman is something different. And you know, it’s, I believe in certain ways, it’s indigenous and I
  • 00:32:33Don’t want to take that on for myself.
  • 00:32:36Here also, because
  • 00:32:37With the training that I’ve had. I have kind of turned it into my own thing.
  • 00:32:42And through these beautiful you know I’m Nancy right now. Who do I go to
  • 00:32:46Their my teachers and who I go to they’ve taught me so many different pieces of what spirit is because there’s no one right way to work with spirit, there’s no one right way to work with energy, you know,
  • 00:32:58It’s literally like going into get a massage and you’re like, You want sweetest we’re trying to monetize this is all
  • 00:33:03Right. But there’s different ways that people do it. And it’s the same thing with spirit. I’m, I’m going to give a major shout out to one of my mentors and friends, Andre
  • 00:33:12Um, you can find them that fine Andre on Instagram and He’s incredible and he’s all about energy frequency healing and it’s been interesting with him, be one of my teachers because he’s, he’s like a Mr. Miyagi in the sense of how he did not answer.
  • 00:33:32I want to see me. I want to make sure and accurate and saying any any of my questions. Never. I would ask the question, what do you think
  • 00:33:41Oh, gosh. To me in six months. It was so frustrating.
  • 00:33:45Um, and I get it now. And I get his. It’s his way of working with people. And I just, I feel I always think, like, Man, if I did that to people they like, get out of here. I’m never going to talk to you again. But he’s
  • 00:33:55He’s so good at it and you know he’s so incredible with what he does with energy, um, he can do some incredible healing for people with just a very light touch. I mean, you can’t walk straight just barely touching and there are, it’s incredible look him up.
  • 00:34:11You know, I listened to it. I thought I checked out your podcast with them you know that you to talk
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:16Is really nice and you know it was nice because you can tell you guys had, you know, a nice bond, a nice connection.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:34:22Right, yeah. He’s, he’s like a big brother is really amazing person. And he has really given me the the confidence to go into healing. When I was like, you know, limiting myself a publicist supposed to do, why would I do healing to and people will take me seriously as a publicist it
  • 00:34:42Took me
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:43Like how does it
  • 00:34:44wasn’t him, it was, it was a hit me so you know cuz. Look, I remember. Um, when I when I was first my first kind of foray into the space, right.
  • 00:34:52Very similar feelings. Right.
  • 00:34:54Moms with coaching father’s right and I was like, who why what gives me the audacity right
  • 00:35:00Why to say like, you know, I should be a coach day right
  • 00:35:03Right, good coach, whatever.
  • 00:35:06As you can tell, awesome at it, um,
  • 00:35:11But it was like and and the coach that has like will you do, you know, just, you’ve got to give yourself the permission to be great. You know who else is going to do it for you. If you’re not
  • 00:35:20Yeah, you’re if you’re expecting somebody else to give you permission to be great. Like, you’re always going to be waiting
  • 00:35:26Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:29That’s exactly it. And I don’t want to interrupt you. What, what was
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:35:32So, I mean, how, how did you blow past it. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:36Yeah and you know
  • 00:35:40I initially started doing this. I mean, first of all, I’ve been doing it again since I was 13 on and off with friends.
  • 00:35:47Um, you know, there were times where I i’ve always been studying. I’ve always been exploring it, but when I took the dive into actually doing it as a profession I was only last year.
  • 00:35:58And it was after working with friends, you know, on the DL working with family and just being like okay, can you just like
  • 00:36:06One more time, just make sure you tell me I’m not bullshit. You know, am I, can I really do this and I just really like predict this because I don’t want to tell somebody on the psychic if I’m just
  • 00:36:14You know, like you, if the self doubt is so real. And for me, there was so much self doubt at the beginning because I take it so seriously, I take what people
  • 00:36:24Believe in the spirit world so seriously and I never ever want to mix myself up or seem like I’m a charlatan and
  • 00:36:32When anybody who’s like that because people are always after money for the quick buck saying something about energy. Your Spirit and God I run into them all the time. And that was where I just needed to make sure that I was legit.
  • 00:36:44And I realized the best way to be legit is to be pure of heart.
  • 00:36:48You know, like if you just genuinely care for that person’s well be right.
  • 00:36:53Here it will not let you steer you the wrong way. I mean, there’s been days where I spirit was like let me take the wheel and literally like, I’m just holding that space. And I’m like, watching one of my spirit guides work on this person. It’s incredible.
  • 00:37:07Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:08You know, reminds me of, well, first of all, know you and I talked before before today a little bit. And we talked about stepping into the space and how it just kind of opens up for you once you
  • 00:37:20open yourself up to it, right, kind of thing. I know that sounds like you know some other mythical line.
  • 00:37:27But
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:28I was reading the you know the Michael singer.
  • 00:37:32Surrender experiment right where he talks about, you know,
  • 00:37:37Maybe he recognized when he let go, that
  • 00:37:41Like Mother Nature whatever was going to give them so much more than he’d ever dreamed possible by by kind of settings, his own standards, right. Have you found that kind of yourself to be something true
  • user avatarMona Loring00:37:54Absolutely. And I think the most common theme for me is just trust the universe and spirit and
  • 00:38:02That’s within my own life and what I’m doing. And let me tell you all day long. We can have a whole podcast episode about how I’ve been doing it with Ovid, right. Um, but yeah i just i think that
  • 00:38:15You really do need to. I think that’s why people say surrender to spirit surrender to God or whatever. And it sounds so intense, and it sounds so scary. And it’s like, Okay, are you joining a call. Like, what does this mean right
  • 00:38:26Right, it’s different. It’s not surrendering and letting something lead you. You still have free will. You can think for yourself doesn’t feel right. Don’t do it, but it’s just that trust. I think it just means trust, you know, and
  • 00:38:40I think that just for me. I have to just sometimes I’m
  • 00:38:47Being a publicist and being a healer is really weird because you have to completely
  • 00:38:52Different personalities. You know, when I’m in PR and I mean obviously I’m not one of those really gentle ethical fairy areas healers and you can tell like I’m a little bit more on the
  • 00:39:02Side. So at least the public is still there. And that way, but I mean my voice changes when I’m going to healing.
  • 00:39:08session with people. I’m softer I’m slower.
  • 00:39:12And as a publicist you’re intense and it’s cocoa and how you get it done and you know
  • 00:39:16And so when I switched to being a healer, I have to just surrender to spirit. Just what do you need me to do. What are you showing me
  • 00:39:24You know, where do I see this energy that’s hurting someone were to what, like, what is it, just show me.
  • 00:39:29I’m not doing any of them myself. First of all, so if you want to heal yourself or be a healer or get into anything that’s spiritual. You have to trust spirit because
  • 00:39:39If you’re going to be one of those people, which I have them in my family and they’ve come a long way because of, you know, seeing me. And luckily, trusting to work with spirit more but you know if you’re if you’re gonna sit here with your arms crossed, like, oh, show me.
  • 00:39:53Show me. Yeah, you’re not going to see anything.
  • 00:39:55We’re really are. And then when you let go and you trust, and this is why it’s great for some people. I’m not advocating for everyone but plant medicine is really great for some people, because
  • 00:40:05It takes away all those inhibitions and you’re not sitting there in your thought brain and you’re you’re stuck in your ego mind and, you know, thinking, well, logically, this and that, you know, you’re just letting go and you’re feeling and you’re seeing
  • 00:40:17And if you do that, you do not need plant medicine for any of that. But if you do that spirit will show you, you know, but you have to first take the first step forward and trust.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:28You gotta be, you know, what’s the awful of all the lines, right, you know, open, open, open everything and attached to nothing. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:40:36Yes.
  • 00:40:37All right. Ah.
  • 00:40:39And
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:40You know,
  • 00:40:41We also talked a little bit about like now. So it opens up for you. Once you accept it. But, you know, then you got the people that are trying to manifest
  • 00:40:49With with such great intensity like you were talking about earlier to when somebody like
  • 00:40:54I just keep trying and some people that can’t let go, but it’s also when they’re trying so hard to force it. They’re trying to force it themselves. They’re trying to use their own personal energy right and versus, you know,
  • 00:41:06Alan Watts on you know Trust the universe is another right you know just trust the universe is another and and or, you know, the whole let go and let God
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:17Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:18Yeah, you know, you know, you’re like, you’re like, Did that really just come out of your mouth and yeah just came out of my mouth like, let go, let God, why would you say it because it works.
  • 00:41:27Yeah, um, and with lol thing, right.
  • 00:41:31A LAW of ATTRACTION bit right
  • 00:41:35Look for evidence of it like you were talking about before, right, you got somebody like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:40Not yeah
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:41Not on my watch.
  • 00:41:42Right, so you know like you talk a little bit about looking for evidence of it, right, like if you’re if you’re trying to be in that space. Tell us a little bit about that. What’s that look like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:54So this is so funny. Everything asked me, am I, man. I need a whole podcast episode or just this. But all right, bite size pieces so I love
  • 00:42:05Law of Attraction and manifestation. And I think that’s truly why a anything exists and I’m for better for worse, why good exists and why that exists, you know, and I think that
  • 00:42:22What people don’t realize is, they only do a few steps of like the whole list of what you need to do to manifest
  • 00:42:29Um, and it’s it’s hard. I mean, I’m sitting here preaching to the choir and I’ll tell clients, what they need to do.
  • 00:42:35But there’s times where I’m lying and I’m lost in my own self limiting beliefs. Again, or my energy in a certain way and I’m locking myself from manifesting too.
  • 00:42:44Because we’re human, and we get in our own way. That is the number one thing humans do best, get in their own way, but
  • 00:42:50I think that really what’s so important is just being in that vibration
  • 00:42:55And you know, I even with my psychic work. You know, it’s all about kind of the tuning to that radio station is how I explain it, you know, and just getting into this vibration
  • 00:43:04And Law of Attraction is one of the easier vibrations to be in. Because at the end of the day, if you are in gratitude and if you are in love.
  • 00:43:13There’s no wrong way. If you are as as often as you can. And it’s kind of the tipping scale.
  • 00:43:19Where it’s like if you’re more love than anything else, you’re still going to tip it over and it’s going to help you out and you’re going to be on that vibration. So you don’t even have to be perfect. That’s why it’s so easy. You know, I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:43:30Lucky. Yes.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:43:32It’s for me. One thing I do to just stay in it as often as I can.
  • 00:43:37Obviously, it helps. Now that I’m doing so much more healing work because that’s keeping my vibration up and just helping people in the love I feel for people and
  • 00:43:45You know, meditation and all of that. But that aside. Let’s say I wasn’t doing that for me before I really got into a day to day
  • 00:43:52I would go on Instagram and just follow really high vibe people and highlight things and follow you know places. I want to go on vacation that I love and follow you know just nature pictures and that all increases your vibration listening to music that you love.
  • 00:44:11You know outside. It sounds like you’re focusing on things that you wanted in your life.
  • 00:44:17Things that you, this is the thing. So with I think the first step is just things that you like that make you feel good.
  • 00:44:24That’s the very first step of just
  • 00:44:26Getting to a better place because some people, they’re going to you know there’s practice alleyway. And they’re in a dark place. And they’re like, well, how do I attract this when I’m just so far from the bowl.
  • 00:44:37So that’s kind of what I’m getting into it sort of like that first step of what you need to do to just almost effortlessly raise your vibration
  • 00:44:45Then of course there’s the other list of things that you need to do, which is like very specifically, think about what you want, but it’s tricky because while you can’t be too specific, because if you’re too specific. You’re limiting what
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:44:57Right. Well, I mean that’s that’s a kind of speaking in generalities. Right. This also goes back to
  • 00:45:03You know too much focus on your own intention and trying to do it yourself. Because if you’re because in that aspect. Then you’re limited to what you think is possible versus what is truly possible
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:15Yeah, well,
  • 00:45:17Exactly.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:45:19So much fun.
  • 00:45:21I’m so you know spiritual dope spiritual dope. I like the idea of, you know, just kind of
  • 00:45:31When you feel
  • 00:45:33Connected to like demanding and getting that high. Right. That’s, that’s, again, the premise of kind of spiritual dope. Right.
  • 00:45:41Let’s talk about another spiritual dope experience, like, you know, what do you do to get your daily does your daily hit your gratitude practice your meditation.
  • 00:45:52Senior kid thrive right you have, how many children, one or two.
  • 00:45:55You too. How old are the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:5815 and 11 boy and a girl.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:46:00Oh man 1511 Nice, nice. And so seeing them thrive and like getting to be their mom, you know, I think that that’s also
  • 00:46:09That’s another one of those lines to, like, you know, was it. Children are a blessing you
  • 00:46:15Know you’re like wow what a blessing. They are right. You know, I don’t know. Give me something that when I haven’t hit on that you would consider like a spiritual high spiritual head spiritual. Nope. Hit me with it.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:46:30I’m
  • 00:46:33Hmm. I mean, there’s so many things. It’s like
  • 00:46:38Such an interesting question is easy. It’s so easy, but then it’s complicated.
  • 00:46:43Like anything, anything that makes you really happy a spiritual dough like
  • 00:46:49You know what I mean.
  • 00:46:51Um, so then I’m like, Okay, well, let me give you something like a little bit more serious or intent, like, you know, we’re talking about like gratitude and meditation and
  • 00:47:01You know,
  • 00:47:02Like I’m looking outside right now as we talk. I tend to look outside this window a lot when I do my sessions and, you know, this is your here and I look outside
  • 00:47:10It kind of gives me that zero and kind of not really being in a space and letting myself flow and I’m looking outside. I’m seeing sunlight. Sunlight spiritual though.
  • 00:47:18Yeah, well you that right now.
  • 00:47:20Or sure
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:47:22There’s a line that’s like a, you know, the talks about God, like you know the difference between like kind of being human with divinity is
  • 00:47:31In relation to God is like, you know, being warmed by the sun but not being the sun, right. Like, I mean, to me, that’s pretty powerful. So it says right so the Son.
  • 00:47:42Who is like you know some of your all time favorites. If you’re on a, you know, was I’m a big fan of high fidelity of the movie. I’m not sure if you’re a john Cusack fan and
  • 00:47:53I love him so you know island all time, you know, top five. You’re gonna be stuck listening to them talking to them spiritual people who are they who are they
  • user avatarMona Loring00:48:05Oh man, I thought I was questioning off and I was like,
  • 00:48:11Okay.
  • 00:48:13I’m going to go up because he he
  • 00:48:17He really broke me into truly spiritual literature and he was really kind of my first Wayne Dyer. I’m definitely him.
  • 00:48:26And he and anyone who hasn’t experienced them. I would say listen to him because his voice is so soothing that that’s just half of it right there. I changed my life so much more to actually start to listen to what he has to say.
  • 00:48:41Over just read what he has to say. But his power of intention was the first book I read and of his books and I thought it was brilliant. Um, who else. Okay, hold on my face. Oh, I’m literally looking at all my books around here and cheating so hard. I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:49:02Going to you.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:49:04I, I really like Joe dispenser right now.
  • 00:49:07And kind of is. So it’s like, oh, all time is rough, but like
  • 00:49:10I’m pretty hot on him right now, just because, um,
  • 00:49:14He, he’s a tough one for some people to grasp, because in certain ways, he doesn’t answer all your questions, like I was introducing my husband and my husband was like
  • 00:49:25But he doesn’t explain a lot and he doesn’t explain how like it’s a little bit. And if you really want to like need all that detail there is a little bit of vagueness to what you say. Um, you have to. That’s what spirit experience a little bit
  • 00:49:39And, you know, it is like we don’t know everything, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:49:43What makes it a challenge is like how you’re going to describe to somebody that’s never had the experience what being filled by spirits like
  • 00:49:51Yeah, right, or or
  • 00:49:54Existing or feeling on that level, and that’s where the differentials come from, from so many different spaces because you can’t put that shit into words.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:05You can, and it’s hard and you know there’s there’s a meditation that he he has that
  • 00:50:12I’ve tried to do. And I’ve succeeded once really well and it was mind blowing. Um, but I find what he has to say really interesting and I’m a huge believer and he breaks down into people like Gregg Gregg Braden, and
  • 00:50:26There is there so interesting.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:28So Greg’s, the one that finally so I know I’ve got, like, if you remember the movie high fidelity for he’s got his albums line to like chronological order, right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:39Remember them. It’s been a minute.
  • 00:50:41Hey man, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:42If you get super down on anything should go watch it because it’s always
  • 00:50:45Entertaining
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:48But he’s got the he’s got his albums, like in chronological order right here. I can tell you how I got to, you know, this album to that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:50:56Number that
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:50:57Right, so that’s like that’s like me. I’m like, why can tell you how I got to Alan Watts and I got to
  • 00:51:03And then I got over here into Gregg Braden. And so, Alan Watts is always talking about in Buddhism, they talk about the heart, mind connection right and man I went off on a search. I was like, I gotta find out more about this heart, mind can hardly
  • 00:51:18Google um
  • 00:51:21And and Gregg Braden did it in one of his sessions on the last gospels of Thomas
  • 00:51:28And you know, you know, you’ve just got to connect the two and a resonant manner and like when you’ve connected the two you’ll know it and that’s like that heart, mind connection. And that’s when people like that’s when
  • 00:51:41You’re in full gratitude and you express a wish. I mean, that’s when you’re going to be like most resonant because now you’ve got your mind and your heart like into and and that’s part of the whole heart math bit right like is
  • 00:51:51That
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:51:53Right. I mean, what else you don’t need, like, I love, I love the amplification process of movies media.
  • 00:52:00Podcast. And to me, it’s just like one big soapbox for me. I’m like, Well, you know, this is how I’m going to amplify my message right but you can just, you don’t need all this, you can just do it with that heart, mind connection and and so Gregg Braden
  • 00:52:16So my guy.
  • 00:52:17It’s like when you when you have those when you trip over those things, I think, you know, so you’re talking about. I’m looking for
  • user avatarMona Loring00:52:24Cheating again with the bookcase.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:52:26You’re good. So the meditation that just you did. I mean, I’ve been. I’ve been working on that one. Um, that sounds like. So is it the one that’s the beginning of becoming supernatural because I’ve got the audio, I need the book right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:52:39I don’t know if it’s at the beginning of becoming supernatural. I haven’t, I haven’t found it in a minute. Um, but
  • 00:52:45I believe he only if I’m not mistaken, I believe he only has one true like it’s always the same. He has one main meditation. That’s his theory and it goes. Um, I remember how it goes like, you know, imagine the space between your temples in space.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:01And like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:53:02The way he says that some people are like, wait, what, like, what are you saying to me, you
  • 00:53:05Know, but if you just give yourself permission to let go and whatever that’s defined us for you will work.
  • 00:53:11You know, it’s a pretty interesting meditation. It’s all about shooting your energy from from like your tailbone up your body. It’s really interesting.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:18Well, I mean, so, so
  • 00:53:20Have you so he talks about like how to do that right by like I’m making this making the, you know, stomach muscles strong and like all that stuff.
  • 00:53:28Sounds like to me like Kundalini like a Kundalini practice, but also again due to my friend over here, Carl free this guy from Germany who spent the time over in Japan.
  • 00:53:43It’s the same thing. It says, then is it flipped or backwards on the side. I don’t know.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:53:47That’s perfect.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:53:49Right. So it’s the same exercise.
  • 00:53:52Which is to me. I love that because it’s, you know, you’re like, wow, these things. It’s the same. It’s the same stomach exercise like we do the meditation and get the energy know pumped up to the back of your head and giving yourself the TMT shot.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:06Yeah, right. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:07So I’m working on that one.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:11Not natural the empty.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:12Right, right, guys.
  • 00:54:17That would be one I would chase for a while. Sure.
  • 00:54:19Yes, like, no, just just
  • 00:54:23Yes, but I mean you know but i wanted i want to do it will like where I don’t get in trouble for having a handful of it, um,
  • 00:54:32But I love the fact that our bodies are. I mean, that’s the whole you know the whole alchemy.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:54:36Aspect right i mean our
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:38Bodies, you know, generate all the things that we really need if if we give into it. Or if we know how to make it happen, such as
  • 00:54:50The
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:54:51Meditation that you’re talking about, like, one more of your, of your top fives.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:55:00Hmm. These are some books on us. It’s top five. Let’s see who else
  • 00:55:06I love so many people. I’m excited that I said Wayne Dyer that goes to show he really just opened me up to the world. I love that. Um,
  • 00:55:18Who else would I say
  • 00:55:23I love that you’re just watching me on this podcast looking around my office. I’m
  • 00:55:31Oh, you know what
  • 00:55:33I haven’t finished yet.
  • 00:55:35I didn’t finish I have so many books. I wish I could just take my computer around a show you it’s everywhere.
  • 00:55:40Um, I haven’t finished this book, which is crazy that I’m going to recommend it but it’s because I’m a Gemini and I started a book and then I
  • 00:55:47Read half of it and I jumped to the next thing. And I’ll go back to it and I have, I probably am reading about five books at one given time. I’m Autobiography of a Yogi.
  • 00:55:58Hmm.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:56:00I suggest anyone who wants to know a little bit of something about something.
  • 00:56:05So I bought that at his actual
  • 00:56:09Spiritual center down in Encinitas San Diego and it’s an awesome place, but anyone who’s in social definitely does it if they can, at some point, um, and it’s such an interesting book because I want to grab it. I’m
  • 00:56:29Parma Hansa your yoga Nanda, I was like,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:56:33Nada. That’s why.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:56:36This guy, um, it’s just so interesting because I’ve even gone on YouTube before and done some of the meditation.
  • 00:56:46They have available and they’re pretty great.
  • 00:56:49And it’s all just, you know, the meditation. They did. They were all just based on love. Um, but it’s it’s really this is named one of the hundred Best virtual books of the 20th century. So right here.
  • 00:57:03The self realization of of just anything that you’re doing in meditation and in spirit.
  • 00:57:10I think I would even though I haven’t finished it. So I feel like I’m a little bit of a cheat saying this, but from what I have right of it. And again, you know, diving into what
  • 00:57:19It’s about and you know this is a little bit, you know, tells you about his life and stuff too. But, you know, the theory behind self realization is beautiful to me. And I think that
  • 00:57:32The number one thing that I’ve learned that I believe my mentors were always trying to reach me and I want everybody else to really believe is that you really have all the answers you need it.
  • 00:57:44You really don’t need to look without to to know anything you really i mean it’s it’s part of the whole Akashic records. You know, it’s like the informations already in a certain field.
  • 00:57:58Just dive into it and you dial into the frequency and you can get any information you know you want to know because
  • 00:58:05It’s there for you. And of course that’s easier said than done. And I know that if you’re not in a certain mindset or in a certain space, you can certainly do that. But, um,
  • 00:58:14That’s why I feel like meditation so important you know because you you will have so much information. I mean, how was I a 13 year old girl telling people about household households work. And then, you know, five years ago, I was reading this book.
  • 00:58:32I can’t remember the book, Robert Schwartz, he wrote it. Not that I totally believe everything that he said, not that I think he’s a liar, either. I just don’t know. But the things that were in this book where things I was telling
  • 00:58:42Our team. It was very bizarre and um you know how if you if it’s not about dialing within yourself and tapping into the energy field around you, how would how would I have even known to tell these people, these things that I have never stopped to think about
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:58:56Love it. I love, I love, I love that because you know
  • 00:59:01The way I think about it is kind of like even, even in coaching, any, any kind of like creative nature forces.
  • 00:59:09Are through you. For the benefit almost more for somebody else. Right. So it’s like you don’t know you just got to open yourself up to it and you know you’re there for the benefit of somebody else right
  • 00:59:21Yeah, it’s kind of one of the ways I see it. So,
  • 00:59:25Just being a vehicle of that energy right being a vehicle that you know information is energy right
  • 00:59:32So I love that. What would you say ended up here real quick for us but um you know when you’re
  • 00:59:39Kind of first coming into it. Right. You did it at like 13 there was no Google, there’s no Facebook group there was like, you know,
  • 00:59:49Finding these books right and kind of getting that validation there. Or let’s say somebody
  • 00:59:56Is coming into it right now. Right.
  • 00:59:58What would you send them like, you know, somebody says, like, Oh my God, I feel like elements.
  • 01:00:02Touching god like and I must be crazy. What would you tell them
  • user avatarMona Loring01:00:08That’s such a tough one because I think there’s no right answer for everybody.
  • 01:00:13And I know that might seem like a cop out but it’s true. Um, I would ask someone, you know, what do you, what do you feel like you want to know more about, you know, what are you
  • 01:00:22You’re touching God. What does that look like to you.
  • 01:00:25Do you need something that’s going to help you go within more do you need something that’s going to be a little bit more of a play by play so you can expand a little further.
  • 01:00:33You know what I mean, everybody’s so different and that’s why I think I was just so stumped with my top five books because I look around. I’m like,
  • 01:00:40Well depending on this person color therapy is really great. But you know what I mean, because it’s just it depends on what someone wants, but I would say that anything that you choose to expand your mind with whether it ends up being right for you or not. It’s still opening you up.
  • 01:00:58To a certain space and it’s just going to lead you down.
  • 01:01:01In a good way, a beautiful rabbit hole of more, you know, um, and my clients definitely asked me, you know what book do you want, do you recommend I read and Michael singer has definitely been one of them. Michael singer untethered soul that’s a
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:01:15Great book. Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:01:19It was funny. I didn’t see that anywhere here, I think.
  • 01:01:23It’s out on live
  • 01:01:24But, um, you know, I think that it’s just about, you know, I know some people that have really opened up because they read the secret as as hokey as people think. The secret is, I think it’s brilliant because it helps people got
  • 01:01:39The mainstream open up
  • 01:01:42You know, and I think that the Abraham books are
  • 01:01:45Amazing. Oh my gosh, I forgot.
  • 01:01:48My favorite book. I cannot believe it. Jane Roberts, the South books.
  • 01:01:52are incredible. They are incredible. And they’re not easy reads because it’s just
  • 01:01:59The things that so basically set is an entity, a spiritual entity that comes out of this woman Jane Roberts that writes these books with her husband dictating basically writing what she’s been saying and
  • 01:02:11The things that he talks about are just so incredible and
  • 01:02:15I remember so early on being like, Well, you know, What would, what would be the answer to this.
  • 01:02:20You know, spiritual question that, like, you know, things that you would never How can someone project energy over to another, like how does tell us telepathic. You know, telepathy. Telepathy. Thank you. It’s healthy work.
  • 01:02:33Say that 10 times fast. Hello ethic telepathy and you know it’s it’s check the book out. I recommend it to a lot of people. Um, I really liked it on audible because you can kind of just soak it in and listen to it.
  • 01:02:49But I would have to say that’s probably the coolest book that
  • 01:02:54Was a tough one because you saw me struggling trying to cheat by looking around my office finally came out finally came. Yeah, yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:03:01I love it, I love it. You know, we talked about Wayne Dyer to his movie that I listened to him one. I watched the shift is kind of one of the one of the ones where
  • 01:03:15It helped me to make so much sense of things for myself right to understand that, again, like I wasn’t crazy like there was like, you know, like many people have walked on this path before me. Right.
  • 01:03:29Type of thing and and and and when you understand that you’re like,
  • 01:03:34Cool. Now let’s roll with it. Let’s like we know, we know that some things are possible with this and they’re going to lead to
  • 01:03:42Who knows what but you just kind of you chase it. You follow it. You have fun with it. I love it. I love it all. So let’s um let’s cap it let’s Catholic because obviously we can do this forever.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:03:55Every question you asked, you’re like, Oh man, I need a whole episode.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:03:59I believe at 100%
  • 01:04:00There. So there’s so much down each each spot right he’s
  • 01:04:05Mad. For me, it’s like an awesome English muffins of different
  • 01:04:10Where you know I think was the people that you’re meeting this would check out your, your conscious living and your conscious PR, right, so where, you know, where should we send people to come, come find you.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:04:23Um, you can find me on conscious living PR and Instagram. You can find us at MLC PR. I doubt anyone listening to this cares about. And we’ll see if you are but I’m also PRS and my talent firm.
  • 01:04:35My personal profiles private just for people I know, but I do have a healing one that I believe it’s called I don’t usually tell people what it is. So, um, I believe it’s healing with Mona.
  • 01:04:45It’s conscious healing co on Instagram to
  • 01:04:47And you could go on and conscious healing co.com if you want to read a little bit more about my background.
  • user avatarbrandon handley01:04:53Awesome. Awesome, great site. Very well done.
  • 01:04:56Hey, thank you.
  • user avatarMona Loring01:04:58Thank you.

Brandon Handley 0:00
All right, spiritual dope, what is going on today? Today we are on chapter six. Are you ready to succeed? By Sreekumar? Rao? Again, just just just a great book. We’re on chapter six. This is which addresses this is I’m sorry about that.

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We,

Brandon Handley 0:24
you live in a me centered universe, right? You live in a me centered universe. And we are on part two. And I believe we ended at the end of where we ended up, we ended. There we go, we ended up surrender to the universe last time, right. So

Unknown Speaker 0:49
what we’ve got here are,

Brandon Handley 0:51
we had an exercise, but here’s a couple helpful Hansen. A big part of it. Maybe I said it last time, maybe I didn’t, I don’t recall. But you know, it bears repeating. It’s a consider in when you’re surrendering to the universe, and you’re working with everybody. And when you go forward with your intention, consider an idea that there’s a there’s a resolution where all parts are better off, everybody is better off. Right. And it may not be readily visible. One of the things that I studied over the past couple years is just negotiation. And there’s the the idea of pizza. And there’s two people that that want a pizza, there’s 100% of a pizza, right? But how about the idea that maybe this is a mushroom pizza, and maybe one person loves mushrooms but hates the crust? And the other person only likes

Unknown Speaker 1:46
crust?

Brandon Handley 1:48
So what do you do, we give one person 100% of what they like off of that pizza, right, they get, they get the crust, and the other person gets the entire pizza with, with the mushrooms, right? So you get 200% out of that pizza, then you get 200% of that pizza. And, and both people get 100% of what they like. So there’s opportunity all over the place out there for everybody to get all of what they want. The problem is, is most people don’t take that extra effort to kind of dig into it and figure out what that extra could be for the other person or what is that 100% for the other person. So as we move on, right, so that was a helpful hint for for that as we move on. We go into the idea that his surrender is not a passive experience. There is not passive acceptance, right? You’re not gonna just accept injustice as it comes along. And and, you know, look, there may be times where you stand up, and you stand up for the injustice, maybe you see some injustice at work. And, you know, maybe you rally the troops, and you go to stand up for that injustice, but it doesn’t work out as a matter of fact, for some reason, somehow, you end up getting punished for this adult, the idea is like don’t don’t get, you know, all sad and mopey. And, you know, dejected. Take a look at what you did. Think about what you did well, in that you stood up for injustice, right? You rally the troops, maybe maybe it was the actions in particular that they went awry. Or maybe it was the overall approach. Maybe it was the actual group of people. So maybe next time you re approach it with a different tactic or a different strategy and maybe maybe a different maybe a different set of people. So the other thing is, are you in this is it when you set out to do something that doesn’t work in your favor? Do you need to you need to try and figure out how you can simply let it go with out the emotional baggage. All right, I know that we talked a little bit about just you don’t want to be sad, morose, you don’t want to, you know kind of be attached to that thing. And then, you know, the negative emotions when you can let go of those negative emotions. It’s literally like a force multiplier. Imagine how much weight would be lifted off of your chest. If you if you could just let go of the negativity, right, you’ve got to deal with it. nobody’s saying you don’t have negative emotions. It’s not letting them drag you down and get all mired up in it. So the sooner you can let go of those and and move forward right in a positive manner and positivity meaning forward motion forward momentum, not simply like, oh, everything’s all fucking rosy and cheery. It’s a move forward. Right. And at some point, at some point, it’s gonna feel like the universe is actually working with you is actually dancing with you. It’s such a it’s a kind of a Beautiful Thing when it happens. And when it happens, this goes back to the chapter on miracles and being able to recognize that you are working in tandem with the universe to create these miracles. That’s a beautiful dance scenario. And listen, this may take years, it’s going to take years, I don’t know, most most people, it’s going to take years, it’s going to take time to get better and better and better at it, and perhaps even decades deal is you got to persist, you got to keep up on it. And you cannot fail, right? If this is your approach, if you’re letting go of negative emotions, if you’re working towards the greater good for everybody, then you really can’t, you can’t fail. So it gives an exercise of the other sensitive universe. So you’re going to pick one, you’re gonna pick one week, we picked to one hour time slots, where whatever it is that you do, you were doing for the sole benefit of others involved, right, you’re going to listen actively. And what that means is you’re going to listen, to listen, not to respond. Another way of active listening is, and this is I forget the name of the book, motivational interviewing, really great book that was created for

addictions. And people in rehab, however, is very useful in coaching. And anywhere really, you teaches you how to actively listen very well. So you’ll listen to somebody, they’ll talk, maybe you’ll ask him a couple questions. And it’s a little It is like he Miller’s the author. So one of the things that he recommends, and this is listen for for two lines, and then you’ll kind of reflect back to them. Right? Listen, question, question, reflect back actively, you know, what you just heard summarize it. And there’s different ways to do that. So, but while you’re doing that, too, you will think of ways that you can be of service to them? How can you help this person move forward, again, you know, positive momentum, or, you know, deal with their situation, or just, maybe you’re just there to listen, and that’s okay, too. So you’re going to practice, you can practice this with strangers anonymously, right? You don’t have to tell somebody that you’re doing this and you can you can you think of ways that you can be service to them, and you just go do it. And what you want to do is you want to take me my an eye out of the picture while you’re listening. So, you know, especially those variables, and then don’t just go give everything away, right, don’t just let it all go. Given this comes from Buddhism, and you give with wisdom, right, you know, give with wisdom give with, like, where you you feel like, it’s going to have the most impact and, and that’s one way to kind of approach that as well. Be creative, there’s so many ways that you can go out there and you know, help make somebody’s day or help this, you know, person out and in a one hour time slot. And so ideally each day, you know, so you’re going to do that, right. And then there’s other pieces, so each day, deliberately and consciously do more than one thing to make the world a little bit better. One of the ways that that I found are a couple of ways, especially given our social media nature is hey, you know, go out there and given give out some LinkedIn recommendations, right? Maybe you’ve got a friend that’s written a book, go leave Amazon book review. Maybe you have a friend who’s got an Etsy shop, share their shop, buy something from them. Maybe again, that’s the you know, same for people that have written a book, a friend of yours writes a book, don’t ask for them to give you a copy, buy a copy, support them. That’s what support is support isn’t reading it for free. It’s going out there and you know, how can you support that person and give them some encouragement to help move them forward? I’ll be practical and empathize. Your attitude I’ve got here in parentheses is is actually your approach. So attitude is actually your approach. It is super important to not expect gratitude from others for what you’ve done, rather be grateful that they have allowed you to serve them. Right be grateful they’ve accepted your gifts. You know, essentially with the universe moving through you creative source moving through you has given you the capacity to gift to that person. So you’re able to serve and that is a gift right that they’re they’re giving you a gift by by allowing you to serve each day make someone’s day is another piece of this. Hi, again, I go back to the LinkedIn recommendation somebody on Facebook, so on Insta share their share their post, make a comment You know, show them that they’re not alone and whatever it is that they’re going for and doing. That’s these are super simple ways that you can help make someone’s day friend alien that I’m doing this with, you know, she writes, she writes a newsletter, maybe you get somebody newsletter reply back to the newsletter, and and say, Hey, I really appreciate you know what you wrote here today, thanks for sharing. And oh, I didn’t see it. From my perspective, just a little bit of there are so many I know, there’s so many newsletters out there and so many materials out there. But some of these are genuine and written from the heart and not strictly written to get you into their program. Right. Some of these are true, true things. So what do we got here? That’s one way you can make someone’s day, eventually, you know, this practice becomes a part of your life. It’s not just, it’s not just Hey, I did this for the one week. Now, how many of these can string together? Like with meditation with exercise? How many of these great moments Can you string together in your life? Where it’s consistent, and it’s a steady flow of the universe giving through you to how cool is that, right?

So the idea, though, is that this is true of all the practices in this book. This isn’t just for the duration of going through this book or doing these exercises. It’s for the rest of your life, right? I mean, it says, you know, appearance isn’t something that’s going to happen in days or weeks. Now, that being said, you will notice, like almost immediately the benefits, but imagine, you know, just how great the benefits are in such a short period of time. Right? Well, those benefits be over time. However, there’s benefits pay over time. So it’s common for this is under helpful hands. As we finish up the exercise of the other centered universe, it is common for others to feel dejected, if they do not get the response that they’re looking for. Now, listen, if this happens to you stop, stop at. Focus on how you are feeling. When you do what you set out to do. Focus on how you’re feeling when you are giving or when you are in the process of doing it. Not so much the outcome. Obviously, you want to give the gift you want to serve in some capacity and manner. It’s while you are doing that, that you feel great. And oftentimes, you know, if somebody does react positively, you’re great. And you know, that’s a good feeling. But if if they aren’t responding the way that you feel like they should just stop it, relax, chill. Let’s step back a second focus on what it is that you set out to do. What was your intention when you got out there to go do it and eventually, you will find joy in what you do, and not the results that you get. I think that that bears repeating, you will find joy in what you do, not the results that you get. So there’s always some way to make someone’s day Don’t be lazy, figure it out. And then finally, you know, keep a journal so you can flip back and reflect on how this process has been working out for you. So had to whip through that one wanted to get it out there for you. This weekend will be the release of Sreekumar Rao’s podcast super excited about that, as I have been with so many others in and this is it’s it’s interesting the journey that this podcast is going on. So anyways, take it easy, don’t have a sign off and we’ll chat later.

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These two books will help with the concept of surrender in greater depth and detail.

Unknown Speaker 0:00
What is happenin? spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here, voice of a generation as we jump into yet another chapter of Are you ready to succeed? Hello, you know this was already ready to succeed is by Sreekumar Rao. And I love how has pm a lot of gruesome conversations with her. She says this is a there’s kind of it’s in my voice, right? How am I seeing this and what is what is my take on it in all honesty to like this, this, this just helps me to dig deeper into the content helps me to get closer and more personal with this content. And hopefully, you know, hopefully it’s something that brings you some value, right? Hopefully, this is something that

Unknown Speaker 0:54
once you’ve been introduced to it, it has a tremendous impact on you, just like it has had on me over the years. And you get some big takeaways. So what we’re going to talk about today is chapter number six. Your me centered universe creates the stress in your life. He says, Hey, you live in a me centered universe. I still remember first time I saw this as like direct attack, shots fired man street from our man. It’s not cool. But it’s true, right? No matter what happens to another, you worry about how it is going to impact you. No matter what happens, you know, something happens to your wife, your son, your daughter, your mother, you’re like, well, geez, how’s this going to impact the rest of my day?

Unknown Speaker 1:45
I’m guilty, definitely guilty of it. This is inclusive of your altruistic measures. Anything, anything that you feel like you’re doing altruistically, more often than not, you’re like, Well, you know, how are people gonna see me out to this outcome? What are people gonna think of me? And I remember when I first started my journey of, you know, kind of social networking and getting out there it was, it was, it was so it was for a reaction.

Unknown Speaker 2:15
Did this was soccer coaching, I was like, Well, I’m gonna go to soccer coaching so that I can network and possibly meet people and further my career versus, hey, go out there and do this for the right reasons.

Unknown Speaker 2:27
Nonetheless, you know,

Unknown Speaker 2:29
it’s still, I still still got out there to the coach, and I still had a good time. But I didn’t, you know, it wasn’t wasn’t with my heart in the right place that time, same thing, you know, with Toastmasters and other functions. So definitely done things myself, historically. And even to this date, where even if I feel like it’s for a good thing,

Unknown Speaker 2:49
sometimes there’s something

Unknown Speaker 2:51
backed into it that says, this is this is for me, and the the outcome that I’m looking for.

Unknown Speaker 2:57
We don’t want to hear, but it’s true. But it’s true. It’s true. So he launches into you know, a real simple exercise that you can do, just to see how this shows up in your life. So this should be super easy for anyone right now out there using zoom or Microsoft Teams, or, or anything, right, simply record a call that you’re having, and listen to how often you say, me, I or my, I should go check out you know, my podcasts I’ve done for interviews, right? How often How often do I say I’m here? Or am I right?

Unknown Speaker 3:33
And, you know, reflecting even right now, I’m sitting here reflecting on I’m like, yeah, we’ll want to do it aren’t aren’t I just trying to engage or share an experience? And maybe not right, you know, inherently made. That’s just the ego showing up. I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist. So listen, this is a big one, this so this one’s super, this one’s super helpful. says, Hey, you know, this is we’re gonna talk about the stress in your life. Right, Jay, and again, you are me centered universe is what really is the creator of all this stress in your life. And when I walked you through this, when I walk you through this, you’re gonna you’re gonna be like, Oh,

Unknown Speaker 4:12
just way I’ve been right. So Sreekumar walks you through this, it says, you know, things are always going on. And you were always, always going to react to them. The thing is, you’re not, you’re not reacting so much to the event itself. What you’re doing is that you are reacting to the potential future outcomes. Now you’re worried about what’s going to happen. If it doesn’t work out in the way that you want it to.

Unknown Speaker 4:45
or the give much thought about it. Honestly, you hardly give much thought about it working out the way that you want it to.

Unknown Speaker 4:53
And that’s because oftentimes, it seems seems like the universe is against you, right? And look, it’s tough to accept

Unknown Speaker 5:00
Thing is, you know, this even this even seems to compound and cause more stress, right? Because you’re like this is, you know, I want it to work out this way. You are you’re you have a desire for a specific outcome and you believe that should you follow XYZ steps, the universe

Unknown Speaker 5:22
should fucking reciprocate. Right? And then it does it. And then it does not reciprocate. So you

Unknown Speaker 5:31
take it personally.

Unknown Speaker 5:34
How often you know, I can’t stand? I can’t stand the acronym FML you know, people were like, Fuck my life and I really wasn’t what a guy hates me or maybe Yeah, then I’ve been I’ve certainly been guilty of being like, man, it feels like me against the world, right? judge you against the world fucking you against the world. God hates you called another shit. just doesn’t make sense. Fuck my life. So when you react to these events, you know, it’s it’s, it’s because

Unknown Speaker 6:04
you have expectations for everything. for everyone. And oftentimes, these expectations are communicated right? You just feel like these things should just kind of act out the way that they want again.

Unknown Speaker 6:17
You’re like, hey, universe, this is how it should supposed to work and yada, yada. And then it doesn’t, you’re like, well, you’re just fucking pissy about it. So you expand a ton of energy trying to get others to conform to your expectations, right? And then when you feel like you aren’t being heard, you turn up the volume and extra notch, you expand even more energy and then the results still do not change.

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The universe, man Geez, right, right. And then it’s like, Hey, I go on vacation and it rains, I go, I go to catch my bus. I missed the bus. My bonus wasn’t what I expected and the whole the whole universe always against me not and then then. And then then this is where the compounding comes in, then you punish yourself. You become uptight, you become anxious, you become irritable, you’re depressed or sit around and like you just, you just morose right and just feeling awful. And then

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essentially, like, you know what, you take it out on those that are that are close by, right, you withdraw emotionally. And you stop spending time with those that are close to you generally unhappy. I still remember I still remember that this was

Unknown Speaker 7:36
to a tee. This was how I wanted my first podcast coach, I wanted to coach with Sam Crowley.

Unknown Speaker 7:45
You know, I that’s exactly how I treated me because I didn’t you know, she didn’t react the way that I wanted her to.

Unknown Speaker 7:52
And I recall feeling this way. At the same time. You know, it was during that time that I was feeling that way. I was like, You know what, this is? The I did I put it back on me I was like this, you know, she just was acting in the way that she thought was

Unknown Speaker 8:09
best for us and our family. And I had to I had to I had to go and understand that and so I let go of it. And, you know, eventually, you know, we agreed to go ahead and take the podcast coach, but that wasn’t before I became emotionally withdrawn, stop spending time. You know, with her, I was just generally unhappy right now, you know, I don’t know that I punished myself so much. I punished her and the family because of it. And that’s not fair. Right? That’s not fair.

Unknown Speaker 8:41
So, you know,

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Sreekumar Rao causes a very toxic cocktail. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. Sometimes we drink this nearly every day. But you know, he goes the good news is it doesn’t have to be this way. Now, the first thing you’re thinking to yourself probably is that

Unknown Speaker 9:04
you’re going to give up all expectations, right? That’s what that’s just not possible. That’s just not possible. Everything. Every action you take, there’s that there’s expected outcome. You go to fry an egg, you expect it to fry right? The problem isn’t so much with the expectations as it is with the reaction to the outcomes. Now let’s just take a look and just say hey, look, you have a limited control over yourself really you do and you and then you have literally no control over the outcomes.

Unknown Speaker 9:42
I can’t really I mean, I can think of a million things right you even just like if you start off the day with a schedule events are planned and you think of even mike tyson is like everybody’s got a plan until you get punched in the face right.

Unknown Speaker 9:56
So whatever your outcome desired outcome is

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In the actions you start take towards that sometimes your day ends up, you know, just like I said, you start off your day with a plan and your day just ends up turning out completely different than you had thought that it might turn out.

Unknown Speaker 10:13
You know, so he says, Hey, you, you do something with the desired outcome of a more often than not, you get result B, C, D, E, or even f. So, if that’s all going on, how do I prevent, you know, the toxic feelings you might be asking? So one of the things that you can do is just accept whatever outcome occurs, right, then whatever it is, this is the outcome, that’s the outcome, there’s not a whole lot, you know, that you can tie your energy up with the the outcome, especially, you know, if it’s, if it didn’t happen the way you wanted it to, we’ll pocket I mean, there it is. You can’t change the past.

Unknown Speaker 10:52
Except whatever the outcome is, hopefully, you can do it cheerfully. You know, there it is, I knew it wasn’t what I was expecting. And he says better yet.

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If you can actually embrace the outcomes,

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I don’t know of any scenario.

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I can think of plenty of scenarios, actually, you know, I think about even being let go from Cisco a couple years ago, I

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felt like a weight the way the world was lifted off my shoulder, actually, I didn’t brace it, I was like, great, you know, now Now, this gives me time to kind of go fine and opens me up to go do something different, find what I really want to do, or just try something different.

Unknown Speaker 11:37
Total, totally unburdened by something. And then, you know, the idea is, just doesn’t mean you compromise your values, right? This doesn’t mean like you, you sit there and you watch injustice, go on, etc. And then I’ll throw this out there. As a side note, if you’ve never done a values exercise, you should check those out. And if you want to do one with me, reach out right reach out. Brandon at spiritual dope, co or hit me up on Facebook or Instagram. That’s something that you’re interested in. I think that I think it provides a lot of value if you go through it.

Unknown Speaker 12:15
Do the work, right. Good thing bad thing. Who knows? What’s the time around this one so far? Guys? 12 minutes, a little rushed through it. I want to get to a piece at the end here. That I think is gonna be beneficial to a couple people I had mentioned that I was going to be doing this one because people are looking for patience and how do you kind of you know, seriously let go and and not be so uptight and strung the fuck out. This is very helpful. Once you kind of begin to employ this practice in your own life, so it goes good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Any time that you have an outcome, you see an outcome, you assign it a label, you say hey, this is good or bad.

Unknown Speaker 12:59
There’s a little Sufi tale that he shares in the book and basically, you know, it’s uh,

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you know, a farmer

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loses his mayor. And, or stallion, whatever loses a horse. And people are like, Oh, that’s terrible. And you know, the old guy goes, that good thing, bad thing. Who knows? Next thing, you know, the horse comes back with, you know, 10 others, and he’s able to get them all locked in pretty well. And people are like, yeah, yeah, well, that’s good. He goes, good thing bad thing. Who knows? Then, you know, his son, you know, breaks, you know, get gets a horse horse tramples on his leg breaks his leg, you know, so he’s maimed and lame, can’t walk, you know, well for the rest of his life. And people go Oh, man, that’s what a shame when he goes out good thing bad thing knows. Well, the next thing that happens is that

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you know, the army is running around collecting soldiers, and they’re taking all of the able bodied men. Well, they can’t take his son because he’s got you know,

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can’t he’s got a lame leg. So you know, it goes on infinitum. Just in that way, you know, people like good thing and he’s again, good thing bad thing. Who knows? You don’t know what’s gonna happen and essentially, you know, take stock of your current life take stock of where you are right now. What do you have that you feel is good or bad? The question is, how can you be so certain that it is good or bad? Is it possible

Unknown Speaker 14:33
that you just don’t know right? Don’t know how this whole thing ends up. So

Unknown Speaker 14:41
I think is a you know better just to kind of accept kind of what’s there in front of you. So it gives, it gives an exercise, right? exercise of good thing bad thing recommends that you look back through your life. Look, the things that you once deemed as a bad thing

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has

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That thing in fact, over time become lemonade. He does recommend that you know, leave leaves the super painful shit alone, right? He doesn’t say I say like that. But he says a nicer leave the super painful shit alone. All right. But you know what what can you make lemonade out of what have you already made lemonade out of if you go back and you look over your life.

Unknown Speaker 15:25
Finally, not the last part in this chapter. But the last part I’m going to do for today. This is the surrender to the universe. exercise a little bit more than exercise. But essentially, most people believe it Where we at, again takes take a look back, right and see what kind of bad things have actually become good things. If we look over COVID, maybe something good has actually come out of that. If you look over jobs, good or bad, maybe something good has come out of that. And essentially, the stress in your life is caused by your reactions to not getting what you want.

Unknown Speaker 16:05
And you can eliminate like nearly all of this by surrendering it to universe and Sreekumar Hales This is one of the most powerful pieces in the book. And to be 100% honest with you.

Unknown Speaker 16:19
Two or three years had to go by and I’ve had to read, I’ve had to read two other books. Before I even caught just how powerful this was, in my own life. And in this book, but those two books that I’ve read, just to share is Hawkins surrender and

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Michael singer surrender experiment. I think those are really two good books that really go deep on surrender.

Unknown Speaker 16:47
So if you don’t get this concept immediately, if you pick up the book, and you don’t get it, then check out those two books. And I think it will help explain a little bit more. He says, and this is true, you know, if you can surrender to the universe, you will eliminate 90% of your stress.

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90%

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that’s nearly all of it. Right? That’s, that’s a lot, a lot. So, look, you’ve you’ve been led to believe your entire life, that surrender is for the weak. Listen, you’re not playing dead, you’re still setting your agenda for what you want to happen. What you’re giving up and what you’re surrendering?

Unknown Speaker 17:32
Are the predetermine expectations. So what do you do, you still take all of your actions with a clear understanding of what you would like to have happen.

Unknown Speaker 17:41
And this is a piece that maybe you haven’t done before, but you consciously whiz for benefit to all parties involved. Oh, everybody, every fucking buddy. All right, recognize your actions are only one possible way to achieve the outcomes. Right, you have a limited understanding of all the forces at play. What this makes me think of is, is like the Bible, right?

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scripture, I don’t even know where it comes from, or where the lines come from. But you know, he has ways which you don’t know of like then yet again, I always throw this out there. You don’t even know how you’re alive. How does DNA work? Nobody knows the exact specifics of how things work. So recognize that your actions are only one of the possible ways to achieve the outcomes that you’re looking for. And let go. I can like go go do what you’re trying to do. But then like go, right.

Unknown Speaker 18:42
Don’t go chasing it with like, extra attachment strings, just like all pull at you after what you’ve just done. So detach yourself from the outcome. accept whatever comes again, cheerful, if possible. And if it’s possible, to welcome the results wholeheartedly. Then your your perspective on them will be transformed. 100% right. It’s a whole new event. That’s that’s happening and unfolding right in front of you

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detaching yourself from the outcomes Sreekumar says is it’s it’s skill, like riding a bike. The primary reason you haven’t done it up until now, you hadn’t thought about you didn’t think it was possible. And this may be the first time that you’ve considered the possibility that you can detach yourself from the outcomes and let go of that fucking stress.

Unknown Speaker 19:36
Because you believe that the outcomes should be what dictates your reaction, right? You don’t get something you’re sad. You get something and you’re happy. And you also believe that the older you get, the less things go your way. Well, no, no, that’s great. This isn’t that’s not it, right actions are within your control.

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The outcomes are not however,

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reactions are within your control if you decide to seize control, and that’s, that’s going to take, that’s what’s going to take practice. That’s the skill you need to develop.

Unknown Speaker 20:11
And let’s see, I think that that’s going to close it for Oh, wait, yeah. So that was the process of surrender that need to go through. So surrendering to the universe, letting go of the outcomes, detaching yourself from the outcomes is really the key. key piece. Not really yes and no.

Unknown Speaker 20:35
Yes, like but it’s not detachment with everybody go fuck themselves kind of thing. It’s detachment with

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wishing a good intent to everybody involved. And I think that one is the difference maker in this whole thing. All right, guys. Stay tuned a little bit later this week, I will get the rest of chapter six out there. There’s still quite a bit more

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potent material. Probably a quick one after that, because we will do some exercises. A couple more exercises and just a few more pages to dig into here for you guys. Hopefully, you are enjoying Are you ready to succeed in the voice of spiritual dope, hopefully you’re enjoying everything that’s going on out there. This is 2021

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and it has literally already begun.

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Krista Xiomara is a writer, blogger, podcast host, poet, and author. Krista lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog Penny Moon and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings, and speaking engagements. Her first non-fiction book, “The Alchemy of Kindness” focuses on helping individuals move from self-rejection to self-love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self-compassion to create and sustain long-term unconditional positive regard for oneself.

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Brandon Handley 0:00
321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. Today I am on with my guest, Krista zetta mata on Ted’s butchered it, but I did my best. She is a writer, a blogger, a podcast host poet and author, Krystal lives and thrives in Austin, Texas with her dog, Penny moon, and maintains her spiritual practices through the lens of Buddhism. She is committed to raising the greater collective consciousness of the world through her podcast, writings and speaking engagements. Her first nonfiction book, the alchemy of kindness focuses on helping individuals move from self rejection, to self love through transforming their internal dialogue with radical kindness and self compassion to create and sustain long term unconditional, positive regard of oneself. Woof, we got through it. So welcome to the podcast. And thanks for being here today.

Krista Xiomara 0:56
Thank you for having me, Brandon.

Brandon Handley 0:59
Absolutely, absolutely. So I always start us off with the idea that spirit the universe speaks through us, right? There’s this inherent message that’s coming through us today, specifically through you, that is for somebody who’s listening. What is that message?

Krista Xiomara 1:23
I think for me, the message is always about homecoming to ourselves. Because we are living in a world that is constantly taking us away from ourselves and asking us to be something other than ourselves. And so I think in the vein of my book, my podcast, my own journey, it all comes back to I really, truly believe that the path to enlightenment is the path of self love and self return to oneself. I think there’s no higher purpose we all have in this life, except for returning to ourselves so that we might love and greet the world from a very different place than it usually asks us to.

Brandon Handley 2:16
That’s a fantastic message. It really is what it is. And you know, of course, the first thing that jumps out to someone that’s not in this is I mean, look, even for myself, I’d run around and and she told me years ago, that you had to go on a journey to find yourself and be like, Well, you’re right there. Where do you need to go? Right. So what do you mean by you know, there’s that I love it. What says but what is what do you mean by this journey to ourselves, return to oneself within that?

Krista Xiomara 2:45
Yeah, so I, I referenced in my book, and in the podcast, oftentimes this extended metaphor that I like to call the puzzle. And it’s this idea that we come into this world as a fully formed puzzle. And we get thrown into our families and society and to relationship with other people. And immediately when we land in our family, our family starts to take some of the puzzle pieces out to match with their puzzle pieces. Sometimes they don’t like the way your puzzle pieces look. So they they chuck them. And when you grow into adulthood, you will look into the mirror. And you will see that not only are you missing puzzle pieces, but your own pieces are disorganized and out of place. And my podcasts that centers around the idea of personal development and spirituality, which inevitably, continually cross over one another. If you go on either of those paths, they both cross each other over and in our human experience in coming home to ourselves. Part of that homecoming is about going and finding our puzzle pieces that were chucked out the window, finding puzzle pieces that that actually make a better mosaic of what we actually landed in in this life, and then putting ourselves back together as our authentic, beautiful whole selves. Because we arrived here hole, and the world tells us we’re not that tells us we’re broken. It tells us we’re damaged. It tells us we’re not good enough. It tells us we’re not thin enough. But we land literally in this human form as these beautiful whole human creatures. And to me, enlightenment in this age is about ascending beyond our current culture, and living so at peace with ourselves that we create piece around us.

Brandon Handley 4:54
That’s great. So when you talk about these puzzle pieces, and you’re telling the story, I always think about Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall, Humpty Dumpty had a great fall All the King’s Men, right? And so it’s kind of similar, right? Like you’re the only one that can put all your pieces back together. Right? You’re the only one that recognizes even your own pieces. Right? And you also are the only one that has capability to recognize that this this, this picture is complete.

Krista Xiomara 5:19
Exactly. Right. Right.

Brandon Handley 5:22
Yeah. So. So let’s talk for a second on on your podcast. I’m so jealous of the name of the podcast. I really am. It’s so simple. But it’s an it’s so but it’s so perfect. What’s the name of your podcast?

Krista Xiomara 5:36
The podcast is called I’m awake. Now what?

Brandon Handley 5:39
Man is genius, right? So how did you know first of all, how did you discover that you were a personally awake? How do you define awake? And then what made you decide to be a voice for that?

Krista Xiomara 5:52
Yeah. So as many people who’ve listened to the podcast know that my journey started out, in a very weird offshoot of Catholicism growing up that was based a lot in conformity, fear and submission and denial of my own humanity and my gender, essentially. And towards the end of my 20s, I started to question start questioning a lot of things. And I started to look at the way the church taught, and the way I grew up, and the people that taught me my Christian values, and they weren’t in alignment with each other. There was a lot of contradictions, there was like a lot of loopholes, and I’m very much a type a person, and I very much love rules. And so I one day just realized there are all these rules in the Catholic Church that people are supposed to follow. And maybe people are following them to like 45 to 50%. Like maybe that’s, that’s really giving a lot of credit to a lot of people. And like, what is the point of all of this then? And that was like the first breaking I was like the first cracking open of my conditioning, my cultural and religious conditioning, where I started to question like, Well, what does this all mean? What What do I believe, and I basically pulled myself out of my religious experience, and found myself in a yoga Ashram. And that’s when I realized that in my conditioning, I was asleep. And I would refer to myself as a sleep walker or a sheeple. And then when I came onto the yogic path, I realized that there was this other more inviting, more self led way to be in relationship with yourself, the world and God. And I realized that was an awakened state and awakened a way of being with yourself. In addition to that those people that I met in that yoga ashram, were so at peace, and within so much harmony with themselves, that I knew that’s what I wanted, I could point to it, I could see, that’s exactly how I want to live in myself and live in the world. How do I get that? And so this awakening started to happen. And it was like a decade’s long journey from like about 28. to, to 37 was a huge opening and cracking open of everything. And I, like you immersed myself in a great deal of texts and experiences and ideas and curiosities and curiosity. I think, if anything I’ve learned is a spiritual practice, the practice of curiosity is a spiritual practice, they’re one in the same and you cannot go on this journey, and not be a curious person, because you’ll, you’ll bump you’ll get stuck. So if you don’t have curiosity as your lens for a lot of this, you’ll get stuck. And so I knew that when I got to the other end, I love podcasts, I love radio, I love all of that. I knew when I got to the opposite end of it, and I had matured into a place of my own homecoming spiritually, that I wanted to create a system and a community where people could go and listen to like your story and other people’s story of like, how are they navigating this awakening, which is very disorienting, very cumbersome, very scary, because you’ve got a dress like the light and the dark parts. And so my podcast was birthed in this idea of like, you wake up, and now what do you do?

Brandon Handley 9:42
And it’s so so true. It’s so disorienting, even even right from the onset. I think what you said there was, we do recognize that in you know, your your, your place of faith and religion, that just about 40% of the people They’re not following the rules. So why am I trying so hard at it right is my guess because you said your type a right? You’re like, why am I trying so hard? Why am I putting all my effort into this? And these guys are getting away with 40% something’s something’s not lining up. So and then and then, you know, that begins to kind of crack the veil, right? That begins to up against to say, Well, if that wasn’t right, man, because you probably based sounds like you base quite a bit off of that, right? Or at least from that space. And now there’s now everything’s just kind of flying off. Right? That’s the whole the whole, you know, well, Jesus, the Wizard of Oz, right, the man behind the man behind the curtain curtain. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, what you’re saying to me, too, is really, really reminds me of the Alan Watts. Knew, and I know, fans of Alan Watts, right? So it reminds me of like, when he’s talking about the monks in Zen Buddhism, when they would go up to the samurai eyes, right? And the samurai is bialik I don’t know what Samurai is do but they, you know, they do their Samurai thing. And then the monk shows like no fear because he’s a total peace with himself. Right? He’s like, go ahead, I’m good. Do what you got to do. But and, and and then the samurai sees, you know, kind of what you saw these people are so at peace. So it like they have something and it’s, it’s nearly palatable, right? You can almost touch it.

Krista Xiomara 11:25
Yes.

Brandon Handley 11:25
And you’re like, you’re like, I want some of that.

Unknown Speaker 11:29
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 11:29
Right. And so that’s that’s kind of what I’m hearing you say right. But uh, if you know, so how did you decide to head in you What made you go to like yoga and an ashram? Right, because that’s a, that’s a pretty big leap from from from Catholicism.

Krista Xiomara 11:47
It’s a huge, it’s a huge leap. I read and this is going to be this is the cheesiest part of my whole story, but it’s so it I can’t deny it. It’s everywhere. I’ve said it multiple times. But I had read Liz Gilbert’s Eat, Pray Love. I know. You just posted an Elizabeth Gilbert quote today. I love her. She’s everything to me. To me. She’s like my, my female Jesus on this earth. She’s so honest and transparent. And after I read her book, I was like, if she can figure out her life, and then yogic ashram, I think I can too. And she was right, because it’s the source. It’s so old. It’s so ancient. It’s so tied to the truth of what we are, beyond our current civilization. They have all of the wisdom there and their texts. So I landed in that I luckily had that yogic ashram in this tiny town of Spokane, of all places, Spokane, Washington.

Brandon Handley 12:49
Yeah, that’s, you know, it’s funny, because that’s my, my, I spent a summer up there. Growing up, it is it is tiny. Like you said,

Krista Xiomara 12:59
there’s like 200,000 people there something at the time, but yeah, and so then that led me again, like, curiosity became my guiding light. So the SWAMI who created that ashram there, Swami shivananda, Radha, this beautiful German Swami who is now passed on, but she had a prolific writing career. So I read all her books. And then I’m very much a root cause kind of person. I work in quality management systems in my regular life. And so when I want to understand something, I have to get to the base of it. And so once I dipped into the yogic ashram, which was based in Hinduism, that kind of led me down the path of Buddhism and Zen and Sufi ism, and Islam and Judaism. And then I realized I need to really understand these other religions and philosophies. And I really got into stoicism with Marcus Aurelius. And of course, then you go into the spiritual side, which is like all of the beautiful teachers we’ve had, like Alan Watts, and Wayne Dyer, and Michael Dooley, all these people have done such massive work and you just realize they’re all saying the same thing, which is, you are God God is you live a life that is honest and pure and of service of others. And that’s all you have to do and show up in this world as

Brandon Handley 14:32
so how are you accepting yourself as you know, God, right, I think that that’s definitely been one of the bigger stumbling blocks, right? Because we also, we, you know, Westerners, we’ve got like this, you know, one concept of God, right? And then Hinduism and Eastern and other spiritualities have this other concept of Gods so when you say that, we’re all God, what is your concept of that and how do you sleep at night with that? Right, like, I mean, cuz that’s, that’s definitely a challenge because, um, you know, I can tell you just from my own practice I can I can do like great meditations and I’ll be like, I can get myself to like love. But I can’t, you know, sometimes I had that struggle with, you know, seeing myself as God, right? Like I can be I am love. Right? But then I’m like I am God. I’m like, Hey, wait a second, buddy, what do you think in there? Right? So just walk me through that? Because I’d be curious to hear what that sounds like it looks like for you?

Krista Xiomara 15:29
Well, yeah, it’s interesting that you bring that up, I would say the thing, where I’ve shaken out in my relationship with God, which is too small of a word for what created us, I think. And I don’t think it’s one person. But one of the things that I, I came to terms with on my journey to is like, in Catholicism, and a lot of the Abrahamic religions, and even some of the Eastern ones, there’s this idea that God exists wholly in perfection, and that divinity equates perfection. But if you look around the world, if if a god or gods created us, there are so many imperfections in this world that make it absolutely beautiful. You can walk into a forest, like right now I can see outside of my house is the greenbelt here in Austin, which is like our, our forest, and it’s untamed, and it’s wild. And it’s, you know, it’s not perfect, and we’re not perfect. And that means that the thing that created me is also imperfect, and I’m comfortable knowing that it’s probably still evolving to, and we’re evolving together. And that wisdom that exists in me to understand that helps me connect to my own divinity and remove that disconnection that I grew up with that said, like, God is in this place, and God can only be accessed through these people. And God is only available to X, Y, and Z. But I think we are born with a god shaped portion of our of God in our body and in our soul, and in our energy that circulates us as human beings. And it’s a matter of recognizing that in ourselves. It’s, it’s not that you’re better than anyone if you know that you have God within you or that God is something you know, unattainable. We all have it. And I think the manifestation of understanding that God is within you, is when you act in kindness and compassion and humility to other people. Because that’s, that’s literally God working through you, that’s your own divinity, that the part of you that is God is coming forward. And it’s manifesting as those actions as this podcast. As of the way you help people as a coach Brandon, like, that’s, that’s you and God, that’s like you guys co creating, it’s this beautiful co creation that we all get to be a part of that has been denied, especially in the Western world, because it’s built on these Abrahamic religions and say, no Gods this other thing, but it’s not.

Brandon Handley 18:15
Fair enough. Fair enough. You know, I 100% agree with all all what you’re saying. And the one thing I would say, though, is I was recently introduced to a new definition of the word perfect. Meaning that you don’t need anything else. That’s all it means. Right? So actually, if you go to sleep tonight, Crystal, Do you need anything else? done today? You’re perfect. Today, the world you live in is perfect. Mm hmm. Right. I mean, that forest over there, it doesn’t need anything else today to be that forest, does it? Now it’s a perfect forest. Right, you know, so somebody had introduced it and just said that that was like the old, you know, way back when that’s what that word meant, like, you don’t need anything else. And if that’s if that’s the definition of perfect, then there’s a lot of us that are perfect, that don’t think that we are right, therefore we keep ourselves from saying, Man, I can’t access God, because last time, you should see me last week, that wasn’t cool. Right? Or like, you know, they’ve got all these things that that make them think that they’re being kept away from God. Right? The only thing that’s keeping them away from that is themselves, right?

Krista Xiomara 19:26
That’s exactly right. Right.

Brandon Handley 19:28
Yeah. And to your point today, it doesn’t make somebody better or worse to say, I’m connected to God. Right. I’m divine. You know, that’s, that’s basically it boils down to a choice. Is that fair to say?

Krista Xiomara 19:43
Well, yeah, and I would say the when if if somebody is saying that, that should raise a lot of alarm bells in your mind, if they’re creating that disconnection to you from them because they have a closer connection to God than you should run for the hills.

Brandon Handley 20:02
No good can come to that. That’s what that’s like the Crusades. Right. So, you know, so what made you decide to be the voice though, you know by by taking it and you know, by literally opening up you know their voice and bringing this to bringing us to the greater masses a and then be like, talk about stuffing into that like What gave you the confidence to be that person.

Krista Xiomara 20:24
Um, I mean, I’m not know if it was a matter of like confidence more than the desire to help. So like a lot of my motivations as an individual comes from the desire to alleviate other people’s suffering, whether that’s through community through the podcast through holding space for them to process things, whether it’s just been friendship with somebody, so they don’t feel alone. The my motivation was that I know there’s people that need to hear these things. And I would say the best example of that was the summer when I finally put into one conglomerated space, the journey of me leaving my religion of origin, making sense of all of that trauma, releasing it and coming home to myself. And I can’t tell you how much I’ve heard from people all over the world about how liberating it was to have somebody regurgitate that life experience that they had gone through, and that they were either at the beginning, the two middle parts or the end, and feeling like me, too. And I think when we do this work, like and you do your spiritual dope, podcast on your coaching and stuff, I don’t think there’s any deeper modality of love that we can do for each other than to see and hear each other. And I think what’s funny about the world we live in now is social media is exactly that. It’s this deep seated desire to be seen and to be heard, and to feel like you matter in this world. And I think us on the spiritual path. Our goal and creating this content is to also be a mirror to the people who are in the process of it all. Because we need each other and we need each other’s experiences and wisdom and honesty and integrity. To help us through this this journey. We can’t do it alone.

Brandon Handley 22:40
Yes, so how many? You know, when you open it up? Was there any fear? Was there any family or friends? were surprised or shocked by about kind of what you were doing in that space? How about your co workers, right? Like, I mean, is this something that your your, you know, your day job, right, you’ve got the day jobs, that’s something that you know, you share with openly there? Or is this kind of like, you go to work today is Christa. You know, I’m here working today, and then you come come home at night, and you’re like, let’s finish delivery at some people. Right?

Krista Xiomara 23:18
Yeah. Well, it’s funny, just to that point, and then I’ll answer your question is one of the things that was, was very much a bone of contention in my own life when I was in my religious upbringing and still in the church of origin was, I did feel like they’re like I had a dichotomy. There was like work Krista and then there was like, religious Krista and sometimes religious Krista could come out and sometimes only work Krista could come out or Krista in her marriage or Krista with her friends, or what not. And the thing that has been the most liberating on this path is that I the just the the ability to show up as yourself everywhere all the time is more peace than I could have ever asked for in my life. And so if people ask me about my podcast, or I’ll tell people about it and my work life, but more than anything, what has changed about diet, you know, the duality of Christa, old Krista and new Krista is that my spiritual practices come into my work life and so I’m just as compassionate and kind and, you know, harmonious with my co workers who don’t know anything about me. There’s a lot of them who don’t have never met me. I work remotely no matter what, because of COVID but, but I show up like that to them the way I show up to my podcast guests, the way I show up to my family, that I’m in relationship with my friends, and that’s the thing that has changed more than anything. So I do tell people about it. Mostly my family doesn’t really care, they don’t really even understand what it is like they’re so in their own world and in their own religious experience, still that they don’t really get it, they don’t understand that it’s a thing that it’s grown, that it has a lot of reach that people are super interested in it. So like, there’s a small subset of people I get to really celebrate my podcast with like, you are one of them. And you know, the other people in my life, like, everyone else could care less and

Brandon Handley 25:34
less interesting, though, you know, it’s all it’s always interesting to hear, you know, how you kind of charge for arthritis. What I’m hearing, you say, though, too, is, at some point, there was a merger of the two of us, or maybe there was a, or maybe the you left behind all of all of this, and you’re like, this is all I’m going to be, you know, this is who I am. Now, this, this is what this looks like, to me about like that decision? Because I think that’s pretty interesting.

Krista Xiomara 26:01
Yeah, I mean, I think that our society asks that of us, our society asks us, all of us, men, women, children, mothers, fathers, to show up in these really specific ways. And even the people that we have relationships with, sometimes don’t even want to see all of us. And so in my book of the book, that I’m writing, the alchemy of kindness, I say in there multiple times that it’s like an it’s like an act of bravery, to never turn against yourself to love yourself, no matter what you do, because we all make mistakes where, you know, I don’t always show up compassionately. Although like, I wish I could I wish I that would be like every day of my existence. But I still fail in that in interactions and certain things like that. So for me, thinking about that, that whole idea of coming home to yourself and having that, that, basically, it’s like if you think about it visually, like maybe you’re projecting out these different kind of what are they called, like emojis or I’m not, I can’t think of the word right now. But you’ve got these projections of yourself in the world. And in this journey, what we do is we like suck it all in and we become one, in and of ourselves. Because when I was living in that other place, I was very much at war with myself, I was at war with my ideals. I was at war with my words and my mind and everything. And being able to bring in all those parts of ourselves those avatars, that’s what I was trying to say, you know, we have these avatars of like, podcast, Brandon, and podcasts, or Brandon father, and all these things, these avatars, but we’re really the central core, we’re the bean and bringing it like bringing those avatars in as part of the work on this path. Because to live authentically and truly, in yourself is, is I think, again, the work that we have to do here because our society has become something very wild and different. And authenticity, authenticity and wholeness is not always wanted.

Brandon Handley 28:23
So, the one thing that I see out there a lot, and you know, again, I agree, I agree with everything you’re saying. The one thing I see out there a lot is is this idea of being the be your authentic self.

Krista Xiomara 28:36
Yeah. The bumper sticker.

Brandon Handley 28:38
Yeah, I haven’t seen it. But I haven’t seen a bumper sticker since March. Um, the the idea is, though, whoo, and what is your authentic self, and what you’re describing is like, stop, stop, stop, like projecting all of what you think everybody, you think what everybody wants to see. And pull that all back in. And really sit with yourself. Right. And, and, and, and that’s it. That’s just the one, the one self that that needs to happen. And that is your authentic self. And you’ll be able to know and feel your authentic self when every day doesn’t suck anymore.

Krista Xiomara 29:18
And when you’re not questioning everything, right, you know, you’re not in alignment with yourself. If you don’t know what you want, if you let people make decisions for you, if you feel uncomfortable, even facing yourself. Those are like the big red flags, that you’re not living in authenticity with yourself and that you are not in alignment with your core being. And I think a lot of people go on this spiritual journey. And that’s the outcome. The outcome is them coming home to themselves. A lot of the spiritual other work is healing and releasing stuff that no longer serves you and, and and finding your true self. Honestly, I’m sorry, I’m beating this To a dead horse, but it’s how I feel this journey is is. That is the purpose that, like all of us doing this work is like if we love ourselves, and this is a universal truth that I hated hearing, and I didn’t know it was true, I had to hear like 5000 times. But if we love ourselves, and we’re at harmony with ourselves, and we’re at peace with ourselves, and we are authentically in alignment with ourselves, the world aligns itself as well, because when we show up authentically, then we allow other people to show up authentically, when we are compassionate with ourselves and other people can give some self compassion to themselves and give themselves a break. Like that’s what it’s all about.

Brandon Handley 30:45
Where do you think you first saw that evidence, right evidence of that concept. And when did it finally click?

Krista Xiomara 30:53
I did say 10 years. At the yogic ashram, honestly, that was the first time where, like, the thing that with the authenticity, to just go back to the story about like, living in these dual places in my religion of origin, there was in the religion of origin, there was very much this idea of Do as I say, not as I do. And then going into the yogic ashram and watching people match up their actions with their words. And I was like, Oh, these people are living it. They’re living their true, honest, transparent, authentic selves. And I knew that that’s what I wanted, I didn’t know that the outcome would be this huge homecoming at all, I had no idea that that would happen. I just knew I didn’t want to be in conflict with myself anymore. And I felt very conflicted in my religious experience. Not because necessarily, even I wasn’t living up to the rules. But the goalposts was always moving. If we want to talk back again about the God thing. It was like, you know, I, I,

Unknown Speaker 32:05
I,

Krista Xiomara 32:06
you know, I was abstinent I didn’t do drugs, I didn’t, you know, drink, I didn’t curse, and I still wasn’t good enough for God, I still wasn’t good enough for my church, not you know, the goalpost just kept moving. And then you I went to the yoga ashram, and I’m like, No, these people, they know what they’re doing.

Brandon Handley 32:27
That’s hilarious. You know, I was never none of those things. I probably would have been incinerated going in. And that’s always what I kind of thought. Like, they’re not they don’t want any of this. Um, you know, I love what you’re saying there, you see that these people are actually living their truth. And you know, you’re living your truth now. And then, you know, I like to hear how we’ll just call it like the universe has opened up for you, because your podcast looks like you’ve had, you know, just a great run, right? You’ve had a great run, you’re having great conversations. You’re putting out a book. My guess is you’ve got more behind that. But also sounds to me, like you’ve found a way to and I’m just guessing here, you found a way to like, kind of surrender to it and let it like, be organic.

Unknown Speaker 33:19
Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 33:21
That’s about that.

Krista Xiomara 33:22
Yeah. I mean, if we want to talk technically about the podcast, like, like anybody else, I started, I don’t know what the hell I was doing. And I had to learn how to edit. And all of that stuff. I just had an idea that I wanted to put this information out, and I just needed to find a way to do it. And I had to figure out all of those things. And what I, I recently did an interview with a gal about how to start a podcast and one of my advice for somebody was just go in knowing that it’s gonna evolve. And that’s part of the process instead of being stuck in this like, box. So my first two seasons, I didn’t know what I was doing. I changed the format a couple times, I changed the way it was, you know, presented, I changed my branding, and I did a bunch of things. Like, I didn’t know what I was doing. And that was okay. And finally, after with a lot of trial and error, like I think our life is supposed to be it’s supposed to be this loving, existence of trial and error, and we don’t get punished when we error. It’s just a learning lesson and we pivot, right? So I pivoted, and I found the right sequence. And I found an audience that resonated with what I was saying, which allowed me to bring bigger guests on because like, the bigger your podcast gets, the more people want to come. And I was just telling a Mona, who, you know, it’s funny to think when I started my podcast, like, every week, like seven people would listen to it and now it’s like, Up to 21,000 people a week. That’s a lot of people listening

Brandon Handley 35:03
does a lot of people. Yeah, not congratulations. That’s fantastic.

Krista Xiomara 35:06
But it was yours. You know, it’s not like that happened overnight. This it has been me just diligently sitting down and saying, I don’t care about the numbers. I don’t care about the monetary compensation, what I care about is being of service to people on the path who need help. And I’m going to show up, and this is what I’m going to do, as that’s as simple as I can explain it.

Brandon Handley 35:30
No, I mean, that’s perfect, right. But again, so thank you for that. What I’m looking for is just the path opening up, right? And it sounds to me again, like you’ve like, again, you’ve kind of surrendered, right? You’re not forcing something. You’re not saying hey, you didn’t come up and be like, Alright, well, 1231 2018, I’m looking for, like 75,000 downloads and that should that be a great year, right? Instead, you said, Hey, this neat, I need to do this, this is something I’m doing. This is something that I’m doing as much for me as for anybody else, I’m looking to be of service. I’m not looking for anything other than that, like you’re you’re doing it in an altruistic nature, right?

Krista Xiomara 36:16
Mm hmm.

Brandon Handley 36:17
But the idea is that once you kind of move with your intention with your purpose, and you know, you’re in full alignment, the idea is that the universe opens up for you. Have you found that to be true for yourself?

Krista Xiomara 36:30
Yeah. And that’s one of the universal truths. I know, you and I have talked about this already that it is true. I just think that when you go in, honestly, and you ask to co create with the universe, like, honestly, things just fall into place. And there’s no easier way to say it is that like, when I wanted to do the podcast, I was actually telling my therapist about it. And she told me about this guy who happened to produce his own podcast, and he could help me and he helped me and tell me get it off the ground. And it was like, in the alchemist, where Paulo Coelho quotecolo, says, you know, like, the universe will conspire to bring everything to your plate. And it, it really is true, I think, the thing that I would leave the audience with is that you just have to continue to make actionable steps and show up and sometimes your steps are in the wrong direction. But the universe will course correct for you, it’ll let you know you’re on the wrong path. And you just keep putting one foot in front of the other. And this idea of the surrender, is that I have this idea, but I’m not tied to it. And that’s where the surrender comes in. So I had this podcast idea, and I thought I wanted it to be this thing. And I let it evolve and become something that it is today and have had opportunities because of it. In that way, is a large surrender, because I let it do what it needs to do. And I’m just kind of the conduit at the end of the day. Does that answer it?

Brandon Handley 38:11
It does? Yep. I mean, that. Nailed it. So that I mean, that’s the space though. And then I think that how would you tell someone that you recognize that you’re a conduit?

Krista Xiomara 38:25
Hmm. That’s a really hard one. I would say first go read the Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle Lee, and help you, you have to do I think anybody This is just a generalization, I think if you want to become a conduit, and a true co creator with divinity, you have to face the, I guess, the idea that you have an ego. And you have to kind of fight with your ego until your ego takes a step back. Because a lot of work can be done from the ego. And a lot can come from the ego. But where that becomes a problem is I think, if you’re working egoic Lee, it takes you out of that alignment, and that co creation, and then you start to have, you know, obstacles or things don’t kind of flow as easily. I’ve seen that too. And I’ve, I’ve had to fight with my own ego all the time, you know, throughout this whole process and to continue to recognize when it’s trying to push itself forward when really the universe is asking me to show up in a very different way. So I would say start there. And then just know and trust like I do say this in my book, too. It’s the it’s in the introduction and it’s the I say that When I went on the spiritual journey, there were two things that I learned. And the first one is that when you go on a journey, whether it’s like physical or spiritual, there are proverbial, you know, twists and turns and things you cannot anticipate you have to be ready for that. But the second thing that you learn on this journey, if you stay open, is that the universe is literally there to bring you the tools, the people, the experiences, anything, you need to be able to become the conduit to your own life journey, and show up in a way that resonates with people. So that we can all help each other.

Brandon Handley 40:40
Yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I mean, what I’m what I think I hear you say that, too, is uh, you know, egos, the guy that says, you know, ego egos the voice inside you saying, I’m doing this, this is me, watch what I can do. Right. And whereas the conduit says, I have the resources of the universe, and it’s just flowing through me, I literally wrote down this morning, I wrote down this morning, the idea that I’m, from a humanity standpoint, if I view myself as strictly human, then all I’m left with his, you know, my human capabilities, and the things of this world, right now, if I open myself up to being divine, or of this universe changes, right? I mean, and so there’s nothing you can’t do. Right? And I don’t have to be and I’m not the one doing it. Right. And you know, so I think that’s what I’m hearing you say, right, and kind of break in and having that breakthrough. And then looking for evidence of that, right? I think that that’s really important. Right? So to set your intention to say that I want to become a conduit, here’s, you know, you’re talking about breaking through the egoic structure, and then saying, you know, now, where am I seeing it? Right? How am I seeing it? And I think that that comes from setting an intention and not acting on it right forcefully in such a way that to your point, like you do need to take action, right, there needs to be some type of whatever move to go get it. This is, you know, the call of, Hey, this is the hero’s call type thing, you know, you’re called to go do this thing. I’m not gonna do it. And so nothing’s gonna happen then, right? There is no transformation, there is no transition. If you’re called hero’s calling, like, Alright, I’m gonna go do it. And then you’re met with obstacles, but like, right behind that obstacles, like the thing like shut up? Right? All I had to do was pick up that rock. That’s crazy.

Krista Xiomara 42:34
Yeah. And I would say that a prayer that has become like, a mantra to me is, I will literally say to the universe, like, I want to do this thing. And I don’t know if it’s right. But I’m gonna take these steps. And I’ll just wait for you to answer. And that’s literally what I do when I want to do something new. Or I want to venture out into something else, or write a book. I just say, I don’t know if this is right, this is what’s in my heart. And I need you to tell me if I’m on the wrong track, and I’ve never been misled. It’s never it’s, it’s it’s either shut doors, or open doors. And that’s how I know. And it’s like, you know, we have all of these other senses that we can tap into from our own divinity that allows us the wisdom to know what’s the next right step every time.

Brandon Handley 43:28
That’s awesome. That’s a great one. That’s a great one. So your book is coming out when when can we expect your book,

Krista Xiomara 43:35
ah, this has been like the biggest labor of love that I’ve ever had in my life. It’s taken me two years to finish this book. And I’m still not even done yet. I’m I’m My goal is to get it done by December and have it out. And in mid March is the goal to after it goes to the drafts and the covers and all of that. But my, I think also to let me just back it up for a second what I’ve learned on this, this journey, as well, and having the podcast is that a lot of people have different entry points into spirituality, how we find it some for some people, it’s addiction for some people, it’s trauma for some people, it’s the religious experience for some people, it’s, you know, no religious experience, but we all have these entry points, but we all come together at some point our experiences kind of merge at some point. But the the, the conflict that I was talking about earlier that can that was contained in my mind was also this deep seated self hatred. And that was my entry point. And because I only needed peace, and I didn’t need peace with the world, I needed peace with myself cuz I hated myself. I hated everything about me. I hated myself to the core. And it’s like one of those things that people never want to talk about. But it was a it was a very big struggle of mine. And it was my entry point. into leaving my religion that I had an inclination that it was a contributing factor to my self hatred. But I didn’t quite know if it was. And so the journey of the alchemy of kindness, the book is about, like, traversing my past to understand where did the separation happen, that I started to hate myself, because I certainly wasn’t born hating myself. I be and then I did. And then unraveling the tools that I picked up, that helped me reverse that self hatred, and then the practices and the daily living, that allows me to stay in congruence with myself and in love with myself in an authentic way, not just like, Oh, I love myself. Not like that, like truly like, yeah, like, I don’t say, a harmful word about myself, don’t criticize myself, all those things. And so this book, I knew, like I did with the podcast, I knew that once I got through that whole thing, I really wanted to create a roadmap for people to unravel their self hatred, because it is a true epidemic in our society. And the, you know, the most hardest part of self hatred is is annihilation. And so, you know, I had a couple of times where I had suicidal attempts with my life. And because I was just like, I cannot stand myself, like, I have ruined everything. I’m like, an embarrassment to my family, and all of these things. And my self hatred took me all the way up to annihilation, like it does with a lot of people. But there’s another way, you know, there’s another way and the other way is that you’re fine. And you’re great. Just The Way You Are you just have been told you aren’t.

Brandon Handley 46:56
No, that’s powerful. That’s powerful. Would you look at that, as you know, hatred is a gateway or addressing your pain as a gateway? How would you? How would you kind of determine to find that?

Krista Xiomara 47:08
Well, so for me for my experience, and I think it can be both and I’m guessing, for me, it was that I was in so much pain with my own internal conflict, like not being able to look at myself in the mirror for very long, or not being able to be in relationship with people and feel like they didn’t like me, because I didn’t like me. Like, I just assumed everybody hated me, because I hated myself to know. And the the pain of that was like, okay, there’s something really traumatic living here, that I have to address now. And what is that, and I didn’t do it on my own, which I say in the book, you know, I definitely had to go to therapy, I had to have a lot of spiritual experiences that helped me, come home to myself. And then the, the longevity of my self love really came into focus when I found Buddhism, because Buddhism is truly a homecoming. It’s like, go and be by yourself, and sit with yourself, and be okay with everything that is, but be okay with yourself. That was like the most eye opening teaching I could have received is what the Buddha did in his life. And I was like, Oh, this is how I’m supposed to exist within myself, then I can attain that, and I’m gonna live it and practice it until it’s in, like every molecule of my body. Right? So yeah,

Brandon Handley 48:46
just just be that. I love that. So you said, you mentioned your spiritual experiences a couple of times do you have like one or two that you could, you know, specifically point to as a specific spiritual experience?

Krista Xiomara 49:01
Like, do you mean through the self that allowed me to create some some self healing in this vein of the book or some are just like spiritual experiences

Brandon Handley 49:11
that yeah, I mean, you pointed to, you know, you pointed to like, along the way, having some spiritual experiences and you know, what does that mean? And what is one that might be specific?

Unknown Speaker 49:20
Mmm hmm.

Krista Xiomara 49:26
Let me think, um, I think one of the, one of the most significant spiritual experiences I had was, when I was in this really, I’ve had like, a couple dark nights of the soul. I would say, I think we all do in our life because it’s hard to navigate humanity being human. But in one particular one, it was up towards the beginning of my spiritual journey. And I don’t know why I looked it up. But I looked up like spiritual cleansing or healing or something. And I found out about Reiki for the first time. I’m, it’s an energy healing modality. And I went on and I looked at all of these people online, and I started to look at their faces. And I was like, Hmm, I could send something about each person’s, you know, you look at pictures, and you can really kind of get a sense of the person’s own energy. And I landed on this girl named Chelsea. And she is like this petite, tiny, little white, white light Angel, very creature that I don’t even think she’s human is what I’ve just decided. And she, I went to her. And I just was like, I feel like I have a great deal of dark energy within me. I’ve done therapy, I’ve gone on spiritual retreats, and there’s just this thing that’s stuck. And I don’t know how to get it out. And my curiosity led me here, can we work together, and she gave me my first Reiki healing that I had ever had. And I literally feel like she physically pulled out this darkness from my body, and liberated whatever that part was of me. And I saw her for a handful of more, have more sessions. But I think she truly was the person that I just think she did her work, so I could do my work. And I needed to go see her. And that was, that changed me I was forever changed by this very healing process that I didn’t even understand that at the time, I didn’t know anything about Reiki, I didn’t know how it worked. I didn’t understand it. And it was really bizarre going through it the first time. And but also, just like, this beautiful experience that truly, I think, went beyond the natural world of something I could never understand, I still I still struggle to understand how it all works, and how it’s all connected. But that was a really big experience that helped me, it was a spiritual tool I took on the way to back to myself.

Brandon Handley 52:24
That’s powerful. I mean, if you’ve got all that darkness, you know, caught up in Saudi and somebody quite literally able to rip it out of you without I mean, they don’t, they don’t touch you, right, like, I mean, now. This is a this is a you know, and if you can go through that and have that kind of sensation as you leave that place. And, you know, there’s no drugs involved. There’s no like weird things happening outside of that thing. That’s powerful. And that’s, that’s something that resonates.

Krista Xiomara 52:52
And she was powerful. Like, I clearly didn’t even know what was happening or what was going on. And she was so powerful that she was able to do this thing that was set me back on my course and really liberated me. And it was like all those things. It was like the therapy and it was like my spiritual journey and reading books and letting go of my ego and dispelling all the stories I had told about myself. And then I needed this other thing that could help me literally lighten up so I could enlightened because I was stuck. I was truly, truly stuck.

Brandon Handley 53:36
So the real recommendation here is go read Eat, Pray Love. Yes. And this will get you started. Right? Right. And along the way, pick up Chris’s book, which will be out in March of 2021. Right? I mean, you can just set the date, let’s just do it, right. It’s common, it’ll be there. And then, you know, go over and you wish wish was some people go

Krista Xiomara 54:00
check it out. You can just find me on Instagram at IN w podcast, I’m in the process of redoing my website and stuff. And I do have some other projects that are not ready to be spoken about. But there’ll be very exciting in the near future. But Instagrams the best place to catch me for now while I revamp everything.

Brandon Handley 54:20
Okay, so if you’re listening today, then make sure you head on over to spiritual dope or the podcast outline and the link for Chris’s Instagram to the podcasts will be available for you. So Chris, thank you so much for coming on today. And you know, sharing pieces of your journey and how you got there and just spend some time with us today. I think that I think what you shared it out today was super valuable for anybody who’s tuning in. Yeah,

Krista Xiomara 54:45
thank you for having me, Brandon. I really enjoyed our time together.

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on Christmas Day 2020. Thomas over, it’s almost over everybody, we’ve almost made it through 2020. If you are able to listen to this podcast, if you were able to tune into what is happening here today, there’s a good chance that, uh, the rest of your life is going to be super awesome, right? If you’ve made it through 2020 unscathed, meaning alive, you’ve got a lot, you’ve got a lot ahead of you. And this is going to be a year, of course that we all remember. At the same time, it’s going to be sure that we’re all just as just as ready to get beyond just ready to get beyond. So we are still working through, are you ready to succeed. And we are on chapter five, you can change the universe. This is the chapter where it finally dawned on me just how powerful this book was laying a little bit of incense over here, we get ourselves into the mood. But I was sitting on a plane flying I think out to Denver, a friend and I were we’re having a conversation online earlier that day, about you know, miracles, just in general about becoming medically minded. And as we go through this chapter, you’re going to understand exactly why he sneaks in, right? I know that I put it in here somewhere that he sneaks, this kind of squeezes this chapter in, underneath of, to me, almost should be like two chapters. Right? Of course, I’m not the author, but you know, sneaks this one in here. And it’s pretty awesome. Pretty awesome. So stay tuned, we’re gonna get through this one here. Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, whatever holiday you celebrate. You know, the holiday I celebrate the most is every day is a holiday. I’ve got up on my board right now, on my whiteboard, you know that this is fun. I’m having fun, be fun. Not too long ago, I also had up on my board, my whiteboard. flyff is a treat, man, we got a joy, we got to celebrate it, we can’t just can’t just go through it without without looking forward to it right, looking forward to every day. So whatever day you’re celebrating, I hope you’re celebrating today. And today, we will be going through chapter five, you can change the universe. In addition, if you would like to get access to this mind map that I’ve created for this, just check on the website. I also create the videos, as I’m creating the audio so that while we are going through it, you could if you wanted to just see me kind of poking around as as we go through this mind mapping. So without further ado, the introduction to this one, you know, this is another part where I really resonated with us Sreekumar Rao, he’s talking in the beginning of this just about the spirituality of his mom, as a mother, how she was super spiritual, super connected. And, you know, my mom was too, right. Just just, you know, super connected in a lot of ways. The deal is, is that, you know, when we’re when we’re young, and full of, you know, vim and vigor, or some vinegar, and whichever one you want to take a look at, especially as a young young man, we would just resist because we already think we know all the things you know, we we get a few right answers, we’re told we’re super smart. Next thing, you know, we know everything, just how just how it rolls. So his mother was super spiritual, that was kind of his foundation to a lot of this. And she thought that the universe was benevolent, right? And that, that anytime the universe was, you know, it would pull you out at all times, right? It would, and alliances would permit one to surface even when swallowed by tidal waves who just always kind of reach out, reach out to you. He also says, Hey, he resisted his mother’s wisdom. Just and again, I also resonate with this so hard because I just I didn’t you know, my mom had a lot of a lot of things to say that were fairly wise and I was like, No, nope, no, no, no.

And, you know, especially now as a father, right, as a parent myself, I’m like, you don’t want to share, share this stuff with my own children and let them know. And I’ve got the full realization, though, that the, they’re not going to automatically grasp it automatically and grab onto it, especially because this is this is the world that we live in, they’re surrounded by a society that this isn’t the loudest noise, right? This isn’t the thing making the most noise out there. This is the thing that’s spirituality that is, that’s got this little ebbs and pockets, there’s, there’s fights about who’s right or wrong over where the soul goes over what the soul is over what spirituality is, and it’s like, holy shit, man, just let it go. So it’s not too much different than you’re a human, you’ve got a spirit, you need to attend to it, that’s really it. And then you know, also recognize that the spirit of you is much larger, and greater and connected. than, than the physical sense being that you can, you can see right now. So that’s my personal take, anyways, you know, we get, we get tuned into this, and we get taught this stuff, you know, when we’re younger, a lot of times, but we don’t have this kind of foundational obvious knowledge to be able to see it. So obviously, we’re gonna resonate with everything else that we see, especially when there’s only one of them, like his mother, my mother, and maybe myself. That sees it, and it’s not until it becomes the mass masses, right? That it becomes kind of like this easily accepted thing, even that it becomes kind of regurgitated and a lot of a lot of one of the true message is lost in it. So anyways, you know, his his mom tells this story about, you know, or I think he tells a story about he, why, why are watermelons growing on the ground, when they’re big, and they’re just supported by vines and cherries, which are tiny, are supported by like this, this big tree? And at some point, you know, a cherry falls on his head. And his mom says, Well, you know, if that had been a watermelon, then that would have cracked your skull. And then he goes ahead and make some jokes, because what about coconuts? What about what about durian, which are like these large, large fruits in the trees that, you know, could fall in and crack your skull? Meaning that, hey, the universe also has these other things, what about them, not the line that his mother says that that I really enjoyed, and that we’re still in the intro of this, that is that. If a boulder falls, faith, you know, we’ll turn it to dust. I love that line. You know, if you think about it, anything that seems kind of impending, or when you are living in fear of the whole world or the universe, and it’s kind of coming down on you just you know, over the past, over the past year and a half, I’ve been really fond of saying, you know, let go let God or at least acknowledge that your subconscious is connected to something so much larger than you and give some trust over to your subconscious and your imagination to convert those worries into something, again, that you can handle. ie if a boulder should fall, have faith that the universe will help you out, be benevolent or that you’re more powerful subconscious will turn that boulder into dust into something manageable that you can handle. And you see it happen every day. How many times have you heard me say, I’m going to go ahead and trust a thing that is able to pump blood that’s going to take when I fall asleep at night, I don’t have to worry about whether or not I keep breathing. my subconscious keeps me freezing, there is something alive and intelligent in me that says hey, B, go ahead, you go to sleep. And we’ll go ahead and keep your your as alive. Right? So who whatever is doing that for me every night that I’ve ever fallen asleep for my entire life anytime ever and keeps pumping the air into my lungs. I’m going to trust that okay. And that’s within me and connected to something else. That’s my opinion. I’ll kind of take it. So proof cuts both ways. Moving on, you know, coming into proof cuts both ways is hey, here’s the idea of you can witness be witness to the winds or you can be witnessed To the ruins that is you can say, Hey,

I expect nothing but the worst to happen all the time and be you can be the person that says, oh, there it is there happened, I told you, you know, that shitty thing was going to happen or you can be witness to the winds, and you can be optimistic and you look, you can look forward to them. And, and, and exists, right both of them kind of exist. Looking here in the book real quick here. You know, ideally, look, it’s a choice, right? You can live right in a world where you know, the the universe destroys those boulders for you. Or you could live in a world where there’s all kinds of misfortune and crap out there in the world, right? And the deal is, you have a choice on which would you pay attention to? I’m not sure that we’ve gotten there yet. There’s another part and i’ll go ahead. So it’s your choice, right. And Dr. Rao makes this note, you don’t need to have a revelation to make this change. You can do it right now, this has been part of my very own platform for a number of years, where a lot of people tell you that, in order to have this kind of spiritual awakening or law, not even a spiritual weakening, when you have this, this whole life change that comes over you. It doesn’t have to be after you fucking hit rock bottom, you don’t have to wait till you are crushed under the weight of the world. You can do this. As soon as you’re ready. You can do this as soon as you are ready. Moving on, we’re going to step into the law of increase. And the idea is, can you take you have the opportunity to take a look at the universe as as a conscious entity, right, and is intimately intertwined with you and everything that it is that you do. Now, he talks about let’s see here, it talks about the idea that you can you know it I love this, it wants to give you what you desire, and you are able to influence it, you have the capability to influence it. And here’s, here’s one of the here’s one of the ways that you can influence it. And if you’ve heard this one before, stop me. But hey, whatever you are truly grateful for and appreciate will increase in your life, right? And the idea is that you just you just got to start doing it right? You just got to start paying attention to what it is that you’re you’re grateful for. He says, Hey, skeptical, I don’t blame you. Since I once felt this way. I know that I can’t change your mind. And that’s, this is one of those things that you can’t tell somebody that this is going to happen. You simply need to try it for yourself and apply it for yourself before you start seeing it. You start seeing it happen. And he tells the story of two dogs, right. There’s there’s a, it depends on who’s telling the story. I think I remember first hearing it from Zig Ziglar he’s talking about the anyway, Indians and how they’re up. They’re having dog fights. And the grandfather was the one who did the dog fights and it was never the same dog. But the grandfather always got the same dog. You know, always bet on the same always bet on the winning dog. And the child goes, Hey, well, how how do you know which one of these dogs is going to win every time? Right? How do you know which one of these dogs is going to win every time grandfather goes, Hey, the one that wins is the one that you feed. The one that wins is the one that you feed. Alright, so wrap it back up there and we’ll look at you know, when you give your energy to that what you are truly grateful for and appreciate. You will inherently see more of that in your life. That is not to say that is not to say that you’re not going to have things in your life that aren’t going well for you. You will we all will look there’s going to be things that pop up in our life that need to be addressed. Right. All these things need to be addressed. And you will do what needs to be done to fix or contain the bad but you will not expand emotional or psychic energy on it gives you a story and and of when we first moved into our current house, we first moved in some big big house and

I was concerned every, it’s actually a bitch and whine and moan and every time I hear the heat turned on in my mind, like, Ah, geez, there goes, there goes another 10 bucks, you know, just for firing it up, right? And it was pretty cool. The window was pretty cool. We’re getting down to, you know, 20s teens, and it went out, the heat went out. So do universes like, well, he wants to have to stop happening. He wants this bad thing to stop happening, I was investing emotional and psychic energy on it. And guess what it increased, it increased in a way that I didn’t want it to right that dog, the one that I was feeding was not the one that I wanted to win. And that’s scenario. So when I was a when we got it repaired, when we got it repaired. The the emotion and psychic energy that I spent on the heat being back in my life was was that of joy, right of gratitude. Like, I am happy that I have he, I am so happy and grateful that I receive a heat bill at the end of every month. Because that means that my heat worked throughout the month that I was able to pay for the bills, that you know that I still got an account that’s in good standing, that I’m able to stay warm and comfortable in my life. So those are a couple of things that even when you think about the law of increase, and it will go in both ways. But the idea is that you want the dog that you want to win is the one that you are, you’re truly grateful for right the one that one that you’re really happy to have. So again, I know that I showed the emotional and psychic energy on something that wasn’t great. But I also showed you what happened. What when you put your energy on, you know, whichever dog so I’ve got plenty of stories don’t get me wrong, I’ve got plenty of stories. That’s this first one that comes to mind of when things have have gone right and or well, but this also just shows what happens when you expand emotional and psychic energy on the things that are not great in your life. Cut it here and we’ll get on to section two

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Check out this conversation between cohost of Your Essential Nature, David Michael Reed and I have as we explore his spiritual journey with you today!

David Michael Reed (D.Mike) is the owner/host/CEO of the edutainment platform Game Of Unity LLC, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general, and a director for the non-profit organization The Briar Farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community.D.Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach. He quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature, having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short time frame.

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Brandon Handley 0:22
Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here and I am on today with David Michael Reed who likes to go by the mic. He’s the owner hosts the CEO of the edutainment platform, a game of unity, which provides a fun way to reimagine how we interact with humans in general and a director for the nonprofit organization the Briar farm Family Foundation, which is focused on providing food and knowledge to the community. D Mike is a freedom and authenticity of expression coach, he quickly realized the power of staying connected to your true nature having to navigate several vastly different cultures within a short timeframe. Although he studied biochemistry at the University of Oklahoma, his interests have taken him to study much more broad realm of knowledge. He utilizes his various interests, formal education and personal experiences to formulate his principles of unity. From here on out, I’m gonna direct you to check out his YouTube show, which he is a member of your essential nature, and you can find him on Game of unity.com It’s a mouthful D Mike, thanks for joining today. How you doing? I’m doing really great. Appreciate it. How you doing, Brian? Oh, man, I you know, look, I like I said earlier, it’s just another day in Whoville, but but I’ll tell you what I am. I’m going through a book that I go through it like once a year right now it’s called Are you ready to succeed? d maiken. And I’m at the very beginning of its 10 week kind of books, and you’re asking I’m just gonna go. But there’s one thing in here, man that you know, I saw it again today. Like I’ve got like all these highlights in here from years ago, because that’s part of the process of this book. The book asks you for a commitment like when you start right.

Unknown Speaker 0:02
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Brandon Handley 2:00
And one of the lines in here man is that each day that you’re not radiantly alive and brimming with shear is a day wasted every time. Yeah, I read that line. I’m in fact it man. I’m like, I’m like holy shit. What am I you know, it’s just nosy in Whoville was it one where I was radiantly alive. And you know, so did I waste a day? I don’t know. So since you asked, yeah. That’s kind of where I’m at. So um, you know, I like to start these off with, we’re vessels for creative energy, universal energy, God, God, whatever you feel like you need to call it right source energy. And there’s somebody out there listen to this podcast today. Who does a message inside of you, right, that needs to you need to deliver through source to that person? What is that message?

D Mike 2:47
That’s a great question. And I appreciate that, you know, I really feel like my medicine, I was just speaking about this recently. And I really feel like my medicine, what my personal message, what I’ve come down here to do is to is to be a bridge. And I know that whenever I was coming up, I felt like I had a lot of skills, I felt like I had a lot of resources, but I still wasn’t connected to my power, I still wasn’t able to create how I wanted to. And you know, I always felt like I was being kind of tapped on the shoulder by spirituality of by by something greater than me that was trying to connect me to my power in my authenticity. And I was going to shut it away, just because I think it was mostly because I had a lot to do with the way that I was brought up and the environment and my peers, and maybe the demographic that I that I chose to come into in this incarnation. But I never wanted to connect to that power. I never allowed myself to step into that because of just certain stereotypes and certain ways that people told me that I needed to behave. So I got really good at wearing a bunch of masks and figuring out how to get love by being a certain thing to different people. And and by and by not tapping into my true potential and my true authentic nature. And so what I’ve been able to do in the last few years since I’ve been on the self discovery and inward journey is really very technically take a look at all of these masks and realize how I can step into my authenticity and therefore find my my truth and my power. And I think that being in the circumstance that I am, where I was moving from, as you talked about earlier in the intro, thank you for that, by the way, living in such radically different cultures in such a short amount of time, I’m able to see this main kind of thread that moves through all of us. If you’re in whenever I was in the streets of Compton or in you know, in a mansion and Johnson County in Kansas, there’s still that one thread that I feel like unites us all and I think that’s what I’m here to help do is to help us all to realize that unity and to realize our potential and our strength that’s in our authenticity in our unity whenever

Brandon Handley 4:46
we come together so you know I love I love you got a couple couple things in here too. So you know as you’re as you’re coming down here, you said to be a bridge on you. It kind of prompts the the idea of like where are you Come down here from right is one question I would have. And then another question I would have is like, you know, I love how you said you chose kind of this place to travel through. Right? Why don’t you talk a second about that, like, you know where it’s coming from? Yeah.

D Mike 5:15
Yeah. And that’s a that’s a phenomenal question. And I think this is one of the most important questions that we can really ask whenever we’re trying to find ourselves and to and to get on this path. And so the way that resonates with me the best, and the way that helps me to be the best person that I can, is to think about things in a way that first of all, we’re all here doing the best that we can, and that we all have a similar mission whenever we get together, and we realize our similar goals. And so the way of looking at things that is the best for me to be the best and most effective human that I can be, is to believe that this is a this is a chosen time with everything that’s going on right now. This is a chosen time for me to come down into this incarnation into this body at this time with the particular family and people that I have around me with the circumstances that are going on right now. Not only does it make the most sense that I chose this, because it makes sense with everything that’s going on right now a lot of people are freaked out. And I’m kind of like, yep, this is exactly where I’m supposed to be right now, because of all the circumstances because of the demographics that I’ve come down in. And so and so where I came from, and I mean, I think that we all come from source, I mean, that that’s really kind of what it is. And I think that that’s what I’m talking about that energy that’s moving through all of us, it’s really our true nature, your essential nature, that’s really it. I think that it’s, it’s the same for all of us, and we came down and we’re in, we’re wearing these suits, you know, we’re in a brand new suit, I’m wearing the D Mike suit. And we’re and we’re able to have these different experiences and and see each other in these nuanced ways, while still maintaining that the true self like our true self, and our true nature is really the same. So that’s why I’m saying that whatever I’m talking about where I came from, is just from, from our God, Goddess nature, that we are coming into these into these human forms to have a human experience. So you’re saying that to God, nature, your essential nature source,

Brandon Handley 7:20
that’s where you came from?

D Mike 7:21
Absolutely, absolutely. Awesome.

Brandon Handley 7:23
So the idea that you come from source i think is a little bit more approachable than godlike energy, right, even though, you know, it’s the same thing. Right? Why do you think that is? Like, what’s the hang up on God?

D Mike 7:37
That’s a fantastic question. And yes, I think that there is you said it exactly right. I think that there is there’s a hang up on God. And I know that for me, in particular, there’s a whole thought form about this word, that is God and what it means. And I think that it’s tied to a lot of our upbringings. I can say for me, myself, I was I’ve been brought up in the church, Southern Baptist, and there is a whole way of thinking about God and what that means. And it’s been my experience that within the within the church, at least in my upbringing, there’s been a lot of fear behind it. And it’s a whole lot of control issues, it’s a lot of things that are saying you need to behave this way you need to do this, or else the, um, the consequences are absolutely unthinkable. And I think that that kind of brings that’s kind of brought in through our thoughts of whenever we think about God. And so even though a lot like in my upbringing were made in the form of God, even but, but still, to maybe include yourself as God, I know that there’s a lot of fear behind that, and a lot of people’s upbringing and a lot of, and it’s it’s blasphemous. And like, I’m, like I was saying, it’s just the amount of fear because of the consequences are just so great that you don’t even we don’t even want to allow that kind of fuss and thinking to come in. So to be able to think of yourself as God, or to be able to think of it in a different way. I think that’s one reason why there’s so much as the hang up because of the fear and the consequences, the way that we were brought up. I like that

Brandon Handley 9:07
right. And I think the idea too, is that the were brought up to believe and think that we are separate from God, right? And then we also have to take a look at this desert, there’s a big God, G, big G and a little G. Right? So the big God and a little God, and even then I think we have a challenge and trying to associate ourselves with God. Now if we look at the idea of in some cultures, they say God is love, right? So are you is it much easier for you to say I am loved then I am God.

D Mike 9:39
You know, that’s kind of a difficult one there to make that kind of distinction to see which one resonates more to say I am God which another reason I think that people will kind of have a hang up about that is because that kind of puts you in the all powerful all knowing and people are like, I don’t know everything, you know, I’m not all powerful. So so they want to separate themselves from that, but on that same token I know that there’s a lot of times whenever I don’t feel like I’m always loved. And you know, I think that that’s one of the big reasons I was so excited to come on to this show in particular is because, you know, we’re talking about like, Hey, this is spirituality. And sometimes it looks like this. And sometimes it looks like that. And, you know, coming from going back to my story, living in Compton, Los Angeles, and then living in Johnson County, Kansas. And I see this energy that people identify with and and so I think that me saying that I am love which one would want to be easier. I know that every day I’m feeling more compassionate. And I’m feeling more in low I’m letting my guard down a little bit more. All of the time. I’m becoming more authentic, which I think that is at our at our heart and our true nature. Is that that compassion and that love So yeah, yeah, I think that God is love and everything is a fit. You’ve heard the phrase, everything is love, or a call for love. So I think in that way, then yeah, I mean, I think that it’s easier to say that I am low rather than I am this entity that is God. Yeah, look,

Brandon Handley 11:01
man, like sometimes I burn water, right? So like, don’t you don’t give me a god, don’t give me God privileges. I’m just gonna mess it all up. Right. And the same token, I had a really good conversation with your co. co partner me this weekend, actually, one of the things that she brought up, and I thought it was really awesome, just as it relates to kind of God was that, you know, she grew up in the Catholic space, I’m sure you know much more about her than I do. I’ve spoken to her for about an hour, but she brought up the idea of having in Christianity, like an army of angels, having your back, I was like, when you can have that mentality. That’s great. You know what I mean? And having you know, you, maybe you’re maybe you can’t identify holy with I am God, but if you can identify with having God’s army, that’s got your back. I mean, that’s, that’s, that gives you a different way to go out and about, right,

D Mike 11:51
we’re sure, right? See how that would, that can provide a whole new perspective. For sure. And, and I think that that’s, and then so we’re getting into something here that I think is really important, especially coming from, from my perspective, and that’s, and that’s like the Unity the Unity principles. And so we’re getting into getting into labels and things of that nature. And, and so like, you were saying, You and me, were talking about having a host of angels behind you that are that are protecting you and helping you cool, I think that’s awesome, whatever makes you feel empowered, and and powerful and useful enable ability, you haven’t having the ability to create, I think that’s awesome, you know, some of my more more recent crowds that I’ve been hanging out, it’s like about having angels, or having guardian angels, or, or any of the being, I mean, I’ve heard any, any of the representatives or we’re even Tupac, you know, people talking about all kinds of spirits, leaders that they have. And, you know, I think that there’s a lot of crossover, if we’re talking about the angels in one religion might kind of convert and be this other entity in a different religion, but I really feel like it’s just the energy behind it. And it’s that feeling power to feeling supported. And so as far as any of the labels go, I think that, you know, my middle name is Michael. So maybe I’m calling on that Archangel Michael, you know, I’ve had several sessions where people tell me, oh, this, this angel, this person is there supporting you. And I think it’s great to feel that to feel that I’m supported. But I try not to get caught up too much in the labels.

Brandon Handley 13:21
Now I’m with you. Hundred percent hundred percent, you know, reason why I kind of resonated with that thought process myself was thinking of the universe’s benevolent right thinking that the universe, all things and like, like you said at the beginning, right, you are here at this specific time at this specific place, juncture, all these things for yourself to basically become right, you know, this, this, you’re here for one purpose, right, you were sat down here, you were, you know, putting the toaster, whatever you’re here for just like one reason, and it’s gonna be a blip on like the map of like the universe and all this other stuff. But the timing isn’t going to be so impeccable, that you’re not going to have all the support that you need in order to move forward. Right, right. Like you’re not here alone, you are here with source energy, right, which is a part of you, God soars. And so that’s the idea. Right? I

D Mike 14:15
think so. And I think that that’s really important to say that we’re not here alone. And I think that part of the decision to come down here and to be born to specific parents in a certain body, I think all of that planning and putting in the people and some of the incidents that in some, some of the challenges that you’re going to face whenever you come down here, I think that all of that is part of the planning of whenever we come down here and and and then also within that, just there’s the challenges that are kind of laid out before as well. But also there’s the helpers. Also, there’s the the people who are going to be who are going to show up at exactly the right time. Also, there’s the event that’s just going to present itself to you and the tickets to it are just going to fall out of the sky and you’re going to come in you’re going to have an amazing experience that that exact perfect If it’s going to push you forward, I also believe that that we that we have those factors that are pushing us forward as well. I think it’s all part of it. It’s all part of the planet.

Brandon Handley 15:09
Yeah. So coming out of Compton into the central United States of America, which is kind of it’s kind of entertaining, like journey, I’m sure. Right. I’ve never been to different worlds, no doubt, right? Where do you feel like you kind of stepped into this awareness or acceptance of your power?

D Mike 15:26
That’s a great question. And I think that that is sort of the underlying concept that’s really gotten me to where I am now. And to a place where I’m formulating that the Unity principles and really integrating and living them. Like I said, I always felt like I was searching for my power, even though I felt like I had a lot of tools. And I was always tapped on the shoulder, like, I was always getting these little messages, I would always see my birthday and certain number of patterns that would kind of be kind of hinting at me. And I would always be like, you know, whatever, that’s completely crazy. That’s, there’s no place for that in my life, I was just always shoved away. And I think it was up until about, I mean, it was probably 778 years ago, whenever I was in Compton. And I think it was just a dichotomy of my experience. I mean, I got to a point where, or whatever it was, I was at a point where I was like, you know, what, I know that I can do better than this, I know that I can, I can create, I know that people can do this, it was more of that, like, I know that people can do this, and I’m a person so so I know that I can I know that I can create. And and so it was the it was the contrast of looking around and seeing I mean, I was in the middle of Compton, war torn games, you know, seeing a hearse, the helicopters flying overhead every day. gunshots is just a regular thing. And so but whenever I was in this position, it was something it just pricked my heart, it was something that came in that I knew that there was something else different that was going on in the world, other than what I was feeling other than what I was seeing. And, and this this huge just waves of compassion, and just downloads of just empathy for the people that I was seeing around me for the rampant homelessness that was going on around me. And so whenever I would interact with the, with the those people, and I would see, I would feel this, this energy that was that was behind this, you know, you would think that it’s just like this is just everybody’s just distress. And nobody has any kind of, of power or any kind of hope or anything, but I felt the exact opposite. And so I think whenever I was able to feel this, this energy that when people were talking about it to like, I mean, I would talk to these homeless prostitutes that that were, you would just think that would have no place in spirituality or anything like this. And they’re talking about this energy, this thing that’s binding us together and this force and would come in, I don’t quite know how to talk about it. You know, the same thing that I’m at this, at this point, I had found a teacher in a community here in Kansas, and they were talking about these same concepts. And so in here, I’m thinking I’m in these two completely different realms, physically and spiritually, but I’m feeling the same things. And I’m, and I’m seeing and I’m witnessing the same things. The this energy that is that’s in both places, and I guess, got this idea about, about unity. And I and I saw how differently we approached strangers, because people that we don’t know, and how differently we treated them from, from people who are familiar to us. But realizing that all of those people have the same attention, we all have the same grace, we all have the same things that drive us. And and I and I want it and I got the idea. If we could live in a world and live in a society where we treat everybody, like family, we treat everybody as love, which we all want to do. You know. And that’s what I really believe. I think that we’re all kind of even though we might live in fear at some points. I believe that we all want to live this way. And if we settle into that, and allow it to come in with the shift of consciousness that I think we’re all feeling Rossing we’re all talking about, then we can make those those small shifts that it’s going to take so that we can see each other differently, and create a whole different way of relating to one another and create a whole new world. And we can do it really quickly.

Brandon Handley 19:10
And it’s perfect, right? I mean, I agree who we want to, we want to love each other. We want a lot of the same things. We of course, I think we’ve been we’ve been taught that primarily, we want it for ourselves first, which is fine, so long as we want it for everybody else, right. And I think that it’s when we realized that we want it just forever. We want it for everybody else I was more than we want it for ourselves, while at the same time giving it to yourself, like you’ve got it like I love the line. I don’t know where to how I got it from but like you’re the giver and the gift, right? Like so you’re you know, so you got to get and you also have to give that to yourself in order to resonate it. Right. So I mean, whatever that looks like for you. So you’ve got to give yourself love so that you can love. All right. I love it. One of the things that you brought up in there one thing I was just gonna I was gonna make a little, not everybody wants You saw our families retreat, you know, it’s tough, right? Some some family member, you’re like, I’m not watching you like family, but a lot that goes, what what do you think is the fear? Right? What is that fear? That’s that’s keeping us from doing this like, Well, you know, what’s that? Why aren’t why aren’t we doing this already?

D Mike 20:18
You know, and like I said, I think that this shift is, is going to be accompanied with this shift in consciousness that’s coming in. And I think that the answer the question is, what is that shift in consciousness shifting us from? And I think that what’s been instilled in us is competition, scarcity, lack. And whenever you believe in these kinds of things, then you start thinking, well, I’ve got to get for myself. And also, and also within that belief set and belief system is separation, right? Because like, you’re saying, I need to get this for, I need to want it for me and not for yourself and not for this other person, nothing for that. So it’s this idea of separation. And again, this goes back to our true or true nature and our true source, if we can get back to thinking of ourselves holistically like that, like we are one being expressed in different ways, but we’re here to support one another, then then I think that we can shift away from this separation, which then breeds competition, scarcity, lack all of those things, because that’s why we’re not doing right now. Because we’re, we’re in this, we’re in this, this bubble, this this place where we think that I’m different from you. So I need to get I need to get and there’s a lack, there’s, there’s a lack of things there isn’t there, we don’t live in an abundant universe. You know, we act like we don’t like one plant doesn’t produce an infinite amount of plants, we’ve bought into this lie, that there is scarcity. And if you have, then I don’t have. And so that’s what I think is the most important thing about unity, is whenever we realize that we’re not separate things, and it doesn’t even it doesn’t become a question of, well, I want this for me, and not you. It’s just that we want abundance. And I think that, you know, we there is abundance, and whenever we can look at it that way and think of it that way and understand that that is what shoe that once he does create an entire infinite amount of resources, and not just not just one more, and then and then we’re this, this universe is huge and ever expanding, right? We’re never going to run out of stuff and we’re not going to and we don’t need to fight over this stuff. And, and so I think that one of the main principles that I’m integrating and trying to help spread is is that of, of unity, of that of collaboration over competition, I’ve seen what happens whenever we compete, and I’m seeing what happens whenever we come together. And and I think that’s another aspect of what I’m here doing is I’ve whenever you take like the more different people are and you come together and realize their unity, the more profound the solutions and the creations that they make. And so the more courage that we can have to reach out to people who are different who look and think and that can feel differently than us the more authentically courageous we can be. And having forming these true connections and true bonds with people and realizing that we are just the separate organs of this trying to animate this this same benevolent body then then that’s when the magic really starts happening. And I think that that’s what’s keeping us from from doing it already. Is that fear?

Brandon Handley 23:29
Perfect. I love I love the imagery too. Like it’s funny you brought up Oregon’s of kind of a divine body universal body, I was think about is more like a little blood vessels or little little blood cells. Either way, you know, we’re where we are what makes up the body of this universe, right? Yeah, I love that you hit on the you know, this is an expanding universe. Let’s for a second though, is the universe. Infinite? Yes or no?

D Mike 23:59
Well, if it’s just a yes or no, just Yes or no? Um, then yes. Okay.

Brandon Handley 24:05
How does something that is infinite expand?

D Mike 24:08
So yeah, that’s a great question.

Brandon Handley 24:10
And then just let’s just couple it with these pieces. These are just pieces that I love to throw into the pie right? We are part of the universe the universe is expanding at an accelerated rate. Does that mean that we to therefore Ergo our consciousness is now expanding and an accelerated rate because we are part of the universe?

D Mike 24:28
I think that’s exactly what honestly i think you know, and that I think, I think that’s exactly what it is the universe is expanding and and i think that consciousness I really kind of feel like the the fundamental elements that makes up everything is consciousness. And I think that it’s very, you know, getting into theoretical physics and whatnot. Every time we try and review the edge of the universe, it expands or, or something happens that we’re not able to get past that and see what like what’s quite past that boundary. And yeah, I think that’s that’s the universe that’s that’s us expanding, I think us our experiences here are creating that consciousness, which is the expansion of the universe. I mean, it makes it it’s really difficult when you try to think of it in in spatial terms, we, you know, kind of finite three dimensional terms, something being infinite and expanding. But I think if we take it back to our true nature of spirit, and think about it as consciousness, and think about how we’re expanding just by, you know, we’re creating, we’re making love, we’re creating love, we’re creating consciousness. And the more that we are, the more that we’re able to focus, the more that we’re able to, to have consciousness and be conscious of ourself, which is the universe, you know, as within, so without, so the more that we’re able to focus on our own consciousness, then then that’s creating consciousness, which makes more of the stuff that we are, you know, which makes more of the stuff that is. And so that’s how something can be can be infinite and expanding. You know, whenever we think of things in terms, I mean, I’m a big math nerd. And so, you know, I love calculus and numbers and, and thinking about the concept of infinity and how something can approach infinity faster than another thing can approach infinity. So there’s different ways of thinking about this. And we try and we try and put it into our finite minds with numbers and symbols and things but really, it’s an it’s an infinite mind, that that we’re trying to access in order to think about something as big and as complicated and complex as consciousness and infinity expanded

Brandon Handley 26:33
a little bit. Thanks for thanks for that. I always, always just kind of enjoy thinking about it that way. And one of the reasons that that happens, right, you know, obviously, you know, you kind of make that connection with new or expanding our I think that we talked about you talked about like this shifting consciousness now that we’re seeing, and, and how it’s kind of almost like a tsunami, man, it’s just kind of showing up in a big way. Right. Now, one of the things that I’ll meditate on is getting to the edge of the universe and like kind of riding that wave of the like edge of the universe, right? And then of course, I’ll be like, well, how can my mind even fathom like what infinite edges are, but hey, look, man, that’s where we are. Right now we are riding on the edge of expansion. Right? So now so so I love how you kind of put it all together. And I’ll throw one thing out there for you too, because of all the people fucking Tony Robbins. I saw him last year. And I saw him last year. And one of the things that he brought up, this wasn’t like one of his things, but he just happened to be at some event put up brought up the idea of competition. And as you and I are discussing competition in this context, it’s to compete for scarce resources, right, it’s to compete for theoretically, scarce resources. Whereas, you know, he brought up the idea of competition being more in lines of just say, you know, you are great with what you’re creating and your creation, and you’re driving me to be greater, or, you know, trying, I’m trying to compete with you, in terms of bringing the best of each other out of that type of competition. I was like, Alright, Tony, you got me on that one that really just kind of, it helped me change my perception of cop, just the word competition, right? Instead of being triggered by them. Like I could see this in another way.

D Mike 28:17
For sure. And I’d love to speak on that. Because I mean, I’m the I’m the son of a baseball coach. Yeah, I was captain of the basketball team in high school. And I’m very, very competitive with my with my family members, whenever we’re playing a board games and whatnot. I’m very upset that my little sister beats me every time and every game that we play, we play. And that’s and that’s and I love a competition, you know, and competing and getting better and having that resistance so that I can I can get better. Here’s the thing. Whenever we’re done playing board games, at the end of the at the end of it, we put the pieces back into the bucks, and we hug each other and we have dinner and a drink together.

Brandon Handley 28:57
Yeah, yeah, that’s a that’s a beautiful competition right there. Right. And that’s, and that’s a competitive spirit. I think that the words been buffed up over the years, right. Like, I mean, like a competitive spirit isn’t one that wants to does living in fear. A competitive spirit is again, your essential nature is to be seen to shine to be the best of all that it can be if you cultivate it, if you if you allow for it to be, right. So that’s just just my shtick. On the one time I saw Tony Robbins and he changed my life for a minute. At least at least Hey, look, you know, it’s just the smallest trajectory, right? The Butterfly Effect all that stuff that just kind of really sets you off. The other thing you brought up to like in the very beginning here was just, you know, talking about wearing a bunch of masks, talk to me a little bit about like some of the masks you’ve worn some of the masks you’ve discarded, and maybe even some of the masks you still put on for sure.

D Mike 29:52
Yeah, no, this is a this is something that that’s really integral to my growth within the last four Four or five years ago, especially, but yes, and as I was talking about earlier, I think that maybe just the demographic and the geographic area where I grew up, you know, being a being a black male. Growing up, especially in the times, whenever, you know, people weren’t, people weren’t talking about their feelings, and it wasn’t okay to talk about it, any of that empathy and any of these kind of things. So and then, I mean, even so, then moving up to Compton. And when I was on the train out there meeting other people who told me, you have to act hard, you have to act this way, you know, in order to in order to receive love, I mean, that’s essentially what it was, in order to, in order to be accepted, in order to receive love, you have to be a certain way. So but that wasn’t me, I always felt like I was very into things that were that were maybe had a more softer kind of power to them, you know, I there was a whole other side of me that I was told that I was not able to access if I wanted to fit in. So I wanted to receive love. And so what I did is I got really good at wearing masks and putting on different airs and being a certain person in front of this person, and then a different person in front of that person. And, and I got really good at it, you know, I was able to, you know, I can make people laugh, I can be exciting. But there was still a whole side of myself, that I was pushing out of the way that was shoving down and I wasn’t allowing myself to access because I was told, and I was allowed myself to believe that it was weak, and that it was unacceptable. And so whenever I allowed myself to rise, you know, I had that awakening that I was talking about. That’s whenever I really felt like, I was like, Okay, now I can go in and I can just completely take an honest look and say, Who am I? How do I feel in this particular time in this particular incident, because I was trying to please everybody and realizing that I wasn’t able to please anyone, you know what I mean? And, and I wasn’t able to find my power because it wasn’t authentic. And so whenever I finally started saying, Okay, you know what, I have to admit to myself that I’m wearing masks, this is not me, you know, just getting courageously authentic, like that and be like, I’m gonna do this. And if if people shy away from me, that’s already happening, you know what I mean? I wasn’t able to create the relationships and things that I’ve been bringing the people into my life that were supporting me. So it just, it got me to that point where I was like, You know what, I have nothing else to lose. So I’m gonna, I’m gonna examine this and realize, Hey, you know what, this is me, this is me, I, you know, I’m emotional. You know, I cry whenever I’m excited. You know, I, you know, do do these different things that might, I didn’t think that were acceptable. And, and whenever I started looking at things like that, whenever so looking at myself that way, it’s still the exact opposite of what I thought, I felt absolutely powerful. I felt like instead of having to remember who I was, and how to react in this certain way, I could just go inside and say, How do I feel at this time? And whenever I was able to access that authenticity, then it made me see, well, I normally would have reacted like that. Okay, cool. So there’s a mask, and I’m able to see all of these different ways where I’ve contorted myself into being something different, and separated myself from from my power. And so as far as us tell us about some of the masks that I that I still continue to wear. And I think that it’s there’s a couple of things. First of all, it’s always a process, there’s always times whenever I’m going to see something else I’m like, and I feel it in my body. And like, that’s not authentic. You know, I’ll say something and I’m like, oh, wasn’t courageous there. You know, I ran a program I wear I wear a mask doing that. And so and so I’m always able to get more authentic. But then the other thing is, you know, as long as I’m aware of the masks, then whenever then I can try them on, I can put them on sometime, you know, it’s like, if I want it, I kind of feel like that’s what we’re doing. And when we’re source just we’re playing I’m playing out the mic right now. So and I can kind of do that in my real life, as long as I’m aware. Like, this isn’t how I you know what I mean? This isn’t much I’m just, I’m just playing here. I understand that I still have, I still have my anchor to my true self. But yeah, I still do. But I play with them sometimes. And and I think that it’s to me, I think it’s about the awareness of it. To me, it’s about knowing who you are your true self, and not trying to deceive, you know, I don’t do it and trying to deceive anyone and trying to deceive myself. And that’s kind of what I’m saying is, whenever I put on these masks, I make it very obvious, like, Hey, I’m putting on this mask, and I’m just playing with it. And I make that very obvious to everyone involved. But having that awareness and having that ability to come back to my true self and my true power at any time. I think that that is that’s where the true benefit of the journey happens.

Brandon Handley 34:26
The idea that it’s being aware when you put those masks on or offer or change them out. I think that that’s that’s a great one. You said it a couple times too. So we’ll hit on, you know, courageously authentic. I’ll let you know this little tidbit for me the past month or two courage has been a big one in my vocabulary that’s coming from the book, force first power where there is a map of consciousness on on there, everything below and it’s done like in a logarithmic scale. You know what that means? I don’t because I didn’t get the calculus, but it’s done in a lot of this done in a logarithmic scale. And it starts at zero, which is like, you know, and 20. And you know, up, there’s like, grief, sorrow, anger, yada, yada, yada. 200 is 200 is courage. Okay? And then you’ve got hope and love and enlightenment all up here, right enlightenment 1000. So the idea is it 200, you know, you can go up or down at 200. The idea is, once you get to 200, once you are courageously authentic, right, once you once you take that courage in that moment, you empower yourself to step into what you believe is possible, by just being you that’s where that’s where the magic, that’s where the shift happens. Right. So that’s why I bring it up. And you know, how does that relate to, you know, what you’re saying here as courageously authentic?

D Mike 35:56
Absolutely. You know, the same that that the treasure you seek lies, and in a cave that you that you feel to enter? And I think that, you know, I’ve heard it called the emotional tone scale, however you want to call it, but whenever you get to courage, I think, then that’s when you start to see the benefits. So so it’s like, you know, you’re thinking, Well, how do I get there, like, I’m too, I’m too afraid to kind of to show my true self, I don’t want to, I don’t want to have it put up for scrutiny, I don’t want to have to maybe fail at something with my true authentic self. So we stay small, and we stay, we don’t enter the cave, but whatever we do, and we and we just are courageously ourselves, it’s just a few seconds of courage, then you automatic thing, you start to see the benefit. And then I think that’s why it takes off because you like because then you start to tie that action of being authentic to the benefit. And then whenever and then whenever that happens, I know for me, it was over without for that. Because I was like, oh, I’ll have to do is get a little vulnerable for a quick second, realize that the outcome is not going to match up with the fear that’s keeping me from doing it. And in fact, this is going to be something amazing, I wasn’t sure I could attain on the other side, then then it just starts the ball rolling. And then it’s like, okay, where else can I be authentic? Where else can I be vulnerable, what other side of myself, I’ve been keeping inside and not shiny out, you know, because because of fear. But now realizing that once I do that, then people are gonna start paying attention to me. I mean, that’s whenever I started gaining attention, that’s whenever I started getting to getting momentum is whenever I started accessing that courage, and whenever I said, you know what people might think of me in a certain way, but people already think of me in a certain way, when people are gonna expect certain things from me, or people are already expecting certain things for me. So you know what, I’m going to police myself, and I’m going to be completely authentic, and I’m going to behave in the way that I want to, and that would make me proud. And that resonates with me. And that’s the thing is, whenever it’s that, you know, Oscar Wilde says, Be yourself, everyone else is taken, you know, it’s because you are the best at being yourself. And I’m not I’m not very good at being anybody else. I just try. I’ve tried to be all these other people. And I wasn’t very good at it. But whenever I started being myself, then people started responding to me, like, Wow, look at this authentic being. And I started hearing on one of my favorite compliment that I get all the time is, you’re such a bright light, you know, it’s like you’re such a bright light people come up from across, and all it is is they see me attached to my authenticity and being real. And I think that that gives permission to other people to do the same thing and to tie into your authentic, courageous authenticity. And I think that’s where the power lies.

Brandon Handley 38:32
Would you call that one of your small shifts?

D Mike 38:35
Oh, absolutely.

Brandon Handley 38:37
That’s what I mean. So in terms of, you know, you mentioned earlier, just kind of these small shifts right towards I think unity and whatnot. Sounds like you’re saying, you know, courage and this being created justly authentic is a piece of it. What are what are like one or two of these other small shifts that have benefited you that you share with others?

D Mike 39:00
Yeah, so the Unity principles that I’ve got on my website, and they’re all changing all the time and being added to and whatnot, but a lot of the small shifts, first of all, it’s it’s like we’re talking about being courageously authentic. Another one is looking at everybody, like they’re doing the best that they can, and seeing the god nature in everyone. I think that that is the reason that that is so important is because we’re social beings, and we gain our power from being in groups and being able to to support one another. And as I’ve been talking about before, the more diverse or different the people that come together with these nuanced ideas, the more profound that the shift is. And so whenever I would look out at life and see everybody as you know, nobody, everybody’s messed up, everybody’s just out for themselves and nobody has any and all this then I cut myself off from so much benefit. And whenever I started looking at whenever I started looking at everybody is just extensions of myself of non judgement, that’s kind of another spin off. That’s a That’s a huge one to not judging people. And so whenever you’re realizing that you see the best in everybody gushing about people, instead of gossiping, gushing, not gossiping, I think is is a huge one. Because I mean, for one, and just being charismatic and asking for help, whenever you’re gossiping about somebody, the person who hears you, they’re gonna attribute those negative characteristics to you, even though you’re saying that it’s somebody else. So always gossiping about somebody about people and things, that also just puts you in this mindset of searching for negative and searching for for things that aren’t going to be beneficial to you. So I think that it’s all about your perspective. And whenever you look at people like they’re doing the best that they can, even if you can’t quite get there and thinking, but if you look at people as doing the best they can, and you look at them as bright, capable angels, you know, that are there to assist you and that you have something to share and assist them with, those are some of the those are some of the principles that that I can just implement immediately, and start to see magnificent, magnificent change just right off the bat. Love those. Remember, it’s

Brandon Handley 41:03
funny, you bring that up, you know, seeing everybody that greatness, seeing the divinity and everybody has to remember coach in a bunch of like five or six year olds, and I was actually doing the assistant coaching and the guy who was coaching had been known for like 45 years, right? He was always Grandad. And I forget what I said, but he’s like, there’s something good. And each one was like, I don’t know are you see? Yeah. But I was joking, kind of mostly, but not really just in that moment. But it was great to hear somebody of his age, right saying that of all these little kids. And I thought that that was pretty powerful. Because I was I was being a judgy, son of a bitch that day. And you bring up non judgement. For me. It was going through headspace, the headspace app, and how Andy right brings up how do you train your mind? And when you have some of these thoughts and your own thoughts, and you’re judging your thoughts, right? He’s like, Don’t judge any of your thoughts as like, Ah, there is such a weight lifted when you’re not even judging your own thoughts. And then you’re like, Where else? Can I apply this non judgmental, blah, blah, blah, right? Because I can look out there somebody, I can start to think it but no judgment. Right. I mean, they’re just they’re doing and I think it came from also from Abe Lincoln, when somebody was talking to him about southerners. And he goes, you know, what, if it was me, I’d be doing the exact same thing that they’re doing, right. And like, it’s not a judgment thing. It’s like, they just happen to be doing what they’re doing, because they’re doing it. And I’m not going to judge him on it. Like, I mean, that’s not what I’m doing. Right. But I can’t say that what I’m doing is any better than what they’re doing anyways. Right? So I mean, you take judgment out of it.

D Mike 42:38
I think it’s, it’s expanded compassion, it’s expanded empathy. You know, we make up these stories, we see somebody doing something, and we automatically make up a backstory, we know what happened while they were doing this. And that’s why this is so stupid of them, like, how could they you know, and we think we know what they want, we think we know what the what the goal is, and all of this, and, and once we make up this thing, that that they should be behaving differently and better, and we know how that is, I think it’s just a, it’s a, it’s a bigger step of empathy. And, you know, I’ll try to make up, I’ll try to make up so you know, I get cut off cut off in traffic, and I try to make a different story like, wow, you know, what, I’m sure that they have something huge going on right now. You know, like, they really needed to be in that spot. And I get it, you know, what I mean? And I just think whenever we’re able to look at it, look at things like that. And I think it really expands on everything. Because I’ll find myself I’ll be I find myself like in the middle of the lane on the shoot, and I need to get in a suit. And I’m like, and I cut somebody off or something. Um, and you know, I’m sorry, but, you know, so I get it. And I think that I and just on that example, it’s one of the greatest I made a post about I just made a post about this, but it was the greatest thing I saw that happen. I was driving and I thought, there’s two cars in front of front of me, and one of them cut the other one off. And I was like, Oh, no, here we go. But you just saw that, okay, you know, I get it. And I was like, that’s the consciousness shift that I’m talking about. Right now. We’re starting to we’re starting to show up differently. We’re starting to not judge we’re starting to have that expanded empathy and tell it we’re telling a different story and realizing that we don’t know where they come from. We don’t know where they’re going. We don’t know what’s going on with them right now. So whenever we see this action, whenever we see something that we’d normally judge, like you said, At first it pops up and you’re like, you know, you get that that inkling that you want to just just tell them new one, but, but just whenever you can have that expanded empathy. I think that that’s, that’s, I mean, that’s all it says that’s that’s what the shift in consciousness is helping us to do. Thinking of other others as ourselves and telling a different story.

Brandon Handley 44:32
Do you feel like this kind of this shift in your own consciousness to sleeping with spirituality has led you to a more fulfilling life at this point in time?

D Mike 44:43
infinitely? Yeah. in in in what, how I can, how I can speak that. I think that’s the most important thing because what’s all this for? You know, it’s like, what was spirituality? Like? Why does it mean like, what are we doing and all of that? I think that That is the whole thing. And I’ve kind of touched on it before I felt powerless. And I and it was so frustrating, because I’m like, you know, I got social skills. And you know, I can I can, I can talk I’ve got, I can do all these things, I went to a good school and educated and, and all this wasn’t Why can’t I create what I want I want to create, I’m doing nothing, nothing is as I want it want it to be, and I’m not happy. And that’s what it that’s what it wasn’t, I think getting to just rock bottom as far as that, just getting to where I just, I’m not happy and realizing it. And I will try anything. I mean, I asked my dad one time, I remember, after a long night. And I was like, you know, what is the point? You know, what’s the point of all this? And he’s like, Well, yeah, you know, you, you you’re you go to school, and you get a job and you get married. And you have, and I was like, I don’t want any of that. You know, I was like none, I don’t want any of that at all. And so I was like, Well, you know what, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you don’t do all of that. What I’m saying, I’m gonna find out what happens whenever you do what you’re not supposed to do. And so I started, I stopped just listening to myself and just doing because I didn’t have anything to lose. And I just wasn’t happy and started started behaving the way that I wanted to behave. And I started learning about the things that I wanted to learn. And I started allowing myself to listen to that, that beckoning that had always been kind of calling me. And so it led me on the inward journey, all of these things, these benevolent features that I placed in my life led me into this path. And I started realizing about unity, I started realizing about cooperation, I started realizing about empathy, and how and how we’re also connected, and it opens up things to me. I mean, it really does. I’m not saying that’s what it actually does, is, it makes me It gives me the self confidence and the self love, so that I can I can share that with the world. And I can call in the help Colin people who want to support me in my journey. And then through that those collaborations, it opens up a whole new world with a whole new set of resources, and a whole different mindset, and a whole new set of skills and power to be able to create precisely what I see in my head,

Brandon Handley 47:07
you got to see it there. First, you create yourself some serendipitous moments, right? When you step along that path that that you’re describing there, right? When you say, hey, this world you’re living in, that’s cool, you can have that I’m gonna go down here and see what’s over here. Right. And it’s it is it is a path that think is less traveled, I don’t know that it’s so much less traveled as it’s not talked about as much, right. And I think that one of the reasons for that is because you can’t teach it per se, right? You can’t teach somebody else what your personal experiences are. And so that that’s where it becomes a challenge. But that being said, there’s, there’s certainly key Mark indicators, right of Oh, you’re on that path of whatever. And you can tell that in the conversation and mannerisms and so on, like, okay, I kind of get where you’re at, right in life period, like it’s, and that’s going to be in a conversation with somebody who’s in a corporation, or just off the streets, like you were saying, I can talk to a prostitute who’s all cracked up and like, we can have a conversation, she could share what’s on her mind and be like, I could see where you are in your life. Right? There’s, you know, there’s different time space continuum continuums of life, right? Nothing is totally linear, whatever, all that jazz, give me a blurb, a little bit on your game of unity so that people kind of know where to go check that out and what’s happened in there,

D Mike 48:33
for sure game of unity.com I think this platform, I think, is sort of the culmination of everything that I’ve wanted to create for myself and then to be able to share with everybody and it comes from whenever I was going through the process and having this having this awakening and looking for support going down the YouTube rabbit hole all of this and looking for people who are thinking that I wasn’t insane if somebody told me I wasn’t insane, and to show some kind of support and maybe some some knowledge. And so and so that’s what this is, it’s it’s to hold your hand as you go through this process of awakening, and self actualization. It’s and it’s called game is unity because it’s fun, it’s supposed to be fun, I think that that’s what we’re here doing is we’re here to create and to and to have fun and to and to relate to one another. And I think that’s that’s probably the main thing about game of unity because what it is once you join the game when you’re in the game, then you know the council is going to be sending you different tasks and and different challenges and they’re all aimed at helping us to relate to strangers and to one another and in a more beautiful way in a more empathic and a more courageously authentic way You know, there’s challenges such as you know, before Corona Lottie was to go and, and high five, somebody who lives differently than you know, there’s no things like that, that you know, my vision of the entire world is playing this game the entire world is courageously going out, trying to connect with people who think and look and act differently from them. You know, the entire world was going out and saying this Can I support? You know, how can I get support from you? And how can we come together to create something amazing, we have the entire or the majority of the world playing this game and relating to each other in this way, realizing, hey, I want to go to France, I don’t have to, like make up a trip and see how I’m going to eat and whatever, we can just say, there’s humans there. So I’m going to be taken care of all I need to do is get there. And even there’s going to be humans along the way, they’re going to help me get there. And I think that so the game of unity is to help us and push us in that direction. And to aid us with this aid of the the shifting consciousness. Now all of this together is going to help us to relate to one another, and amazing and new and profound way. And we’re going to create bliss and heaven on earth.

Brandon Handley 50:39
Sounds like a game I should be playing. I love it, man. That’s awesome. I love that you’ve created that. Right. And I think that I think that’s one of the things that we talked about. When we first connected, right? Both of us kind of connect and creating the space for those who are like you said, Man, you’re looking for support. When you enter this realm, you’re looking for something this indicates that you’re not crazy, right? And and and so, you know, how can so many people be feeling this way? And everybody be crazy, right? So that that doesn’t make any sense. We’re rational beings, we know that’s not possible, right? Unless we’re all drinking the same water, whatever. So but the deal is, is, you know, there’s going to be different people there. Who can, you know, kind of catch you who can who can coach you into not, you know, hitting the walls, as you as you come come into this newfound space, right. So that’s kind of what you created, you’ve gotten, you’ve done it with some joy, and some creativity. So thanks for creating that man. And then and look, it’s needed. Oh, my god, did I need it right on, I was like, when when I came, you know, to my awakening, whatever you want to call, I was like, What is going on? And why do I feel so good and weird?

Unknown Speaker 51:52
For

Brandon Handley 51:55
you, like any like, well, it’s and not gone. so crazy. But um, you know, so you look for some people to talk to. So you’re setting yourself up to be, like you said earlier, you know that that beacon of light right for somebody to kind of come and come and hang out with and that’s great. And you’re also doing that over on your essential nature. You want to talk about that for a second?

D Mike 52:13
Yeah, I think that that’s actually an amazing segue, because we’re talking about this, this one energy that that we all kind of came, we all kind of came from. And then we’re trying to find we’re trying to find somebody who relates to us coming down to this plane, somebody who can tell us that we’re not crazy. And so I think that that is the idea behind your essential nature that our podcast is that we do have, we were trying, we tried to be very diverse in our demographics, you know, we’ve got different races, different ages, different sexes. And so we all are kind of saying the same thing. We’re all talking about this message of unity, we’re talking about compassion, we’re talking about this energy that permeates through all of us. But whenever we have a diverse, it’s exactly what we’re talking about already having diverse people coming together to create something amazing, but also, it provides several different paths in so I mean, there might be somebody who looks at me, a guy who just moved here from content, and whatnot, and I get that he doesn’t, I don’t quite resonate with them, but then they’re gonna see they’re gonna see Ben, who’s a chiropractor. And, you know, he’s got to, he probably relates to a different demographic. And so they’ll hear his message and they’re going to come in, but then there’s going to be the people from Compton and all that, who I believe it who I’m talking about, we all have the same, the same energy moving through us. And they might like it, you know, me who you talk to isn’t like, Oh, you know, it’s kind of throw that away, and then look at me, but Okay, well, I do relate with him. And you know, vice versa, all of all of this. And that’s why so we have these different expressions, that I mean, it’s the same, it’s the same message that we’re trying to, we’re trying to express it through these different mediums, and so that we have, so that we can have something for everybody, because we want to bring everybody into this place where once you get in, you’re in and you realize none of these demographics matter, you know, we’re all the same, we’re all going through the same thing. So we’re just gonna have these different attraction points, and whenever So, so we’re calling up this world is like, hey, there’s something for everybody. And then we want to draw you into this, this layer of support and beauty. And then once you’re here, you’ll just you’ll have all the support of everyone, and you’ll be able to see all the beauty of anyone and just pushes you further into that idea of unity.

Brandon Handley 54:21
Not for sure, for sure. I love that idea of different attraction points. Okay, you guys do a great job of bringing your diversity to it. Right. And you got lots of people represented there. And, you know, I think that one of the things that needs to be recognized, and I’m terrible at it, right, like, definitely, I’ll judge somebody who’s younger than me by significant amount. I think I gave me you know, a little less credit than then do we had a great conversation. I let her know, at the end. I was like, You know what, you You brought more than I expected, which was great, right? Like, I mean, so it was like, man, I got kids and they show me more spirituality sometimes. And I see anywhere else. I’m like, Oh my god, you know, and that’s one of the things Things that we as parents try to do here is to not take that away from them. Right? How can we how can how can we keep that light that you’ve already gotten there? And the things that you and I are struggling with the all these masks and all these? How do I bring my authentic self everywhere? How do I keep my children authentic? throughout? Right? Create human beings that are authentic from day one, right? And let that stay. So because it’s already there, right? It’s, it’s the idea is that, as you and I, you know, I don’t even like the word evolve anymore, as you and I gain more awareness of who we already are. Right? It’s our work. It’s our awareness. It’s expanding, not so much that we are expanding, right? Yeah, just let you know, man. Yeah, it’s just a play on words like how do I make this work for me? And that’s all it really boils down to, right. Like you talked about earlier, like, yeah, you can say love God, whatever the hell you got to say, to make yourself sleep at night, I get it. So one thing like to kind of hit on like, so the idea of spiritual dope is like, you know, you get that spiritual high, right, from, you know, whatever spiritual sense or thing that you do. Where do you get like your spiritual hit from?

D Mike 56:10
Yeah. Oh, man, that’s a really great question. And so I think that that kind of ties into, you know, so so my phone would I fully call myself is d Mike, the young mystic. And so a reason that I call myself a mystic is because I don’t follow one teacher or one set of principles solely, you know, I try and get a little bit of, you know, a little bit from this study a little bit from this from this study, and live from this practice. And so I would say that I get it from life, I get it from so many different places, but then I think it’s always about taking it back inside and seeing what resonates, I get my, I get my, my spiritual hit from experiencing as much of life as I can. And that’s people, places things, everything. And then whatever I read and take in from people, I immediately take it in, and I assess it, you know, courageously and authentically, what feels good to me. And whenever I’m listening to audio books, when I’m listening to podcasts, there’s always something that will, that will stick with me something that will kind of resonate with me. And I’ll always give myself the space to explore that, you know, write it down, make a note of it, however, and then explore it. And just through my, through my experiences, I think that’s where I get that spiritual hit. It’s whenever I manifest, I mean, in whenever you manifest something, so specifically, you hold something in your mind, and you go through the the manifestation processes, and then you don’t even realize it, but then you just sort of become aware and you’re like, Whoa, this is what I created in my head. You know, that’s my spiritual hit, being able to help somebody whenever I’m sitting across from from someone, and you’re able to just gently listen to them. And I’m in that space with them. And I’m looking out through with with four eyes now from their space, and I’m able to see something that they weren’t, and I’m able to help them, help them have that light go off. You know, that’s where I get my spiritual from helping people. You know, like I said, I cry whenever I get emotional, anytime that I see somebody helping somebody or, or seeing somebody going out of their way, in bringing that consciousness and that empathy into real life interacting with people. That’s where I get my spiritual hit from, from life from people. And from my interaction with the world. Perfect, man, I

Brandon Handley 58:25
love it. I love it. You got your spiritual hit from life. And it’s funny, because, you know, like, Ohio life was somebody I’d laugh at, like years ago. I’m like, Yeah, that makes sense. Now, that’s, you’re so right, you can’t get on in life. So it’s funny how life changes. So where and I appreciate you stopping on today. Thank you so much for being here. Where can people go find you?

D Mike 58:45
Yeah, for sure. So I’m keeping up to date with unity.com is where I store everything that I’ve got coming up that I’m doing, which is a lot here, especially towards the end of the year. There’s so much being able to be on so many amazing podcasts like this. And then yeah, so game of unity calm, follow my blog there and join the game, then you’ll be able to see everything that’s that I’ve got coming up. Your essential nature is on all the podcasts and Spotify, YouTube, all those those mediums, so check us out. They’re

Unknown Speaker 59:14
awesome.

Brandon Handley 59:16
Thanks again, like,

D Mike 59:17
hey, thanks. Appreciate it.

Unknown Speaker 59:24
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Brandon Handley 0:01
Have chapter one ideal life on both podcasts and the video. So part two, we’re going to go into the first ripple, which is individual change. And, you know, the first ripple is, you know, be you want to be so involved with work that you that you love so much that the time flies and to me, that brings up the idea of the book and the concept of flow by Matt Haley, and I don’t have his last name in front of me, but but my Hayley, and, you know, the idea is that you continue to grow each time you continue to learn and you continue to expand on what you already know and love and and converge on. And, you know, when you do that time will fly. That’s part of the first ripple of individual change. A penetrating awareness of the course that you are creating, what what, where do you want it? Where do you see yourself right? What exactly is it that you are creating, and when you become aware of the choices that you are making and what you are doing with your life and your goal for life, then then the course becomes, develops more clarity. Alright, so again, here are a couple that come in here a clear knowledge of your place in the scheme of the universe. That’s, that’s something that, that you’ll recognize in this and that also aligns with vision, you’ve got a vision, you may not know how to get to that end. But as you chart that course, that we’re talking about, in the course of creating the becomes becomes clear as you work along.

Unknown Speaker 1:53
The work that you do,

Brandon Handley 1:56
feeds and brings you great contentment and peace you’re getting this is the idea that you are getting what you put into the universe if you’re if you’re doing this work to serve others and to help them come along themselves and to bring them along. And it’s not just for you. Um, that’s you literally you get what you attract, right? That’s the idea is to concept in my mind, again, this current level of understanding, you will face obstacles, those obstacles are not designed for frustration. those obstacles are designed to bring out the best in you, they help you to create a strong, sharp edge going back up the flow. And the idea is you’re on the ever expanding edge of the universe. And you have to keep in mind that we are approaching all of this as though the universe really only wants what is best for you because you are a part of the universe and the universe is put you here for some reason and purpose and it wants to see you succeed so the universe is in full support of your endeavors and this is just a mindset that you create within your individual change in your individual change as you go through this lock doors will open mysteriously you don’t need to know how some of these things are going to happen. You simply have to believe that they can and that they will and I can tell you from personal experience that this happens you put the vision out there and you put it out there with the intent with a with your purpose and and you take the first couple steps towards that and and things begin to open up and it’s a it’s this kind of indescribable but it happens you essentially your personal life becomes more fulfilling right? And to be to be honest with you looking for how the question should be how do I have a more fulfilling life To me it’s not your why your why it’s weaksauce your why it’s cool, it’s a sure it’s a it’s a it’s a cool, it’s like a pebble in the bottom of the lake. Right? Um, to me, the bigger piece this is your What is it that’s going to bring you ultimate fulfillment in your life. I also love that he hits on the idea is if you’re a parent as I am, and if you are understand that you know in this individual change that child or children will bring you great satisfaction also know that they will chart their own path and that you will not be able to To see their path,

Unknown Speaker 5:01
however,

Brandon Handley 5:04
if you will be their springboard and know that and to know that that’s the case, to me that that brings me very much satisfaction. Being a parent and seeing it, I mean, see right now, I was working with Liam, my youngest to go, you know, create a video or do something he wants to do him my vision, my path, start his path, I can give him the ideas, he can give me his ideas, and I can try and help him and enact those. And however he decides to do it is up to him each day, and the individual change is going to be a, it’s going to be an improvement over the day before, each one day more perfect than the day before. If you can imagine it. Maybe you don’t think that the day before you today was perfect, but who knows. Just talking to I just had an interview, I just recently had an interview and the Word Perfect means that you don’t need anything else, right? don’t need any more to to to get through the day or two to get through life. So if you look at yesterday, did you have everything that you needed? In sometimes Did you have everything that you wanted in that day? It’s neat, but like, did you have everything that you needed in order to have a successful day, and if that’s the case, and you had a perfect day. So know that today, maybe and probably is more perfect than the day before. You will feel an infinite amount of gratitude. And this gratitude is tough. Gratitude is tough because most of us, especially as men are going through life in an A, in what we’re going through it and a analytical mind first kind of thing. And as men in Western society, we’ve been taught to shut down or remote odds, shut that shit down. Right. So everything’s by thought, everything’s by analytics. Everything’s by logic, everything’s linear. And that’s just that’s just, that’s just not the case. So the feeling of gratitude is something that we need to implement. And once we begin to get in contact, touch our feelings and understand what those feelings are. We can begin to feel gratitude. And as we think and feel gratitude at the same time. We are we are then tuning it in, right we are then we’re then tuning ourselves to gratitude, mentally, with feeling and we are pulling that into our lives. You will recognize throughout all this process, right? This is again, this is the first individual change you will recognize all this is is the cosmic principle, which according to this book is the merger or emerging of spirit, body and mind.

Unknown Speaker 8:21
Ultimately,

Brandon Handley 8:22
sensation and feeling is really indescribable. I’ve done a podcast called I’ve done a podcast based on word called numinous with Carl Jung, and Theodore auto where whereby you have tried to capture some of what that cosmic principle looks and feels like. There’s other ways to go through it and feel that but that’s one way to recognize it. So this type of life is your birthright. There’s nothing like this. It’s nothing. This isn’t entitlement. This is open to everyone. And it doesn’t matter how old or young you are. Sure, birth rate. I mean, God I had a conversation the other day with my wife and I love her death. And she goes, you know, I’m not special. Nobody special. We’re not you know, we’re not a bunch of special snowflakes out there. Yes and no. Yes. And everybody is special and everybody’s looking for a way to express themselves. The thing is, is that you’ve been taught not to express yourself to the fullest of who you are. You’ve been taught to express yourself in an industrial age into what you know, what is it about you that is most productive in an industrial environment. We are not industrial beings. We are fucking human beings. So what you got to do is convert back If you are, and understand that this is, indeed, your birthright, and as we go through this book, you’ll understand that this is this is a process a way to achieve it. And so during the first ripple of individual change, you will also recognize that you must desire this desperately, you must want this with all of your being all of who you are. But you must also be okay with the dot happening. It like what the hell man? And this is what a Sreekumar calls the desire, paradox desire issues a paradox. And he also because because all paradoxes are resolved with greater understanding, and we can look at, we can look at, you know, what are some things that you wanted, when you were younger? What are some things that you wanted, when you were younger, you desired it, desperately, but they didn’t happen. And, you know, sometimes, sometimes I can tell you with myself sometimes, like, for example of, you know, I partied way too hard back in the day, and what would have happened if I had been, you know, super rich, or had access to a lot of money in party that same way, I would have bought, like, more more jobs or more of these things, and those things that I desired at that time. Maybe they might have killed me, right, and we go scroll back up, and we’re gonna say, all right, well, let’s not forget that the universe, a universe is really kind of got my back on this right. In the universe’s, like, he may not deliver on that. Because that’s not in my best interest. That could be, you know, something that kills me. And so thank you universe for not delivering on some of those. That sub desire pirate paradox, again, the best that the greater understanding is, you know, then I’m like, Man, I’m pissed and upset that this didn’t happen. today. I’m grateful and thankful, as I continue to go through life and learn and grow more, and can deliver some of these messages as I have a different level of understanding. As it says, as we’ve talked about, and the story of the you know, kind of like the layman and the master, right, attempting to rush this will double the time to achieve and impede progress. Again, imagine, if I put up a wall I put up, you know, even if it’s an energetic wall, I create something and I put something in the way of allowing something in I am impeding progress by trying to go harder, faster, I’m not going to recognize I’m not going to see things because I’m too focused on my personal desire,

Brandon Handley 13:14
versus what may truly be better for me. So again, nature like a vacuum. Soon, as soon as you remove any energy or substance from an area, nature will replace it with another universe like, you know, likely result that you are seeking. And you can do something you can do with like half the effort. Right? Imagine, imagine that and I’m sure that you’ve, you’ve tried to open a jar of whatever. And, and sometimes you’re turning, you’re turning, you’re suing you putting all this effort in one way. But if you almost like if you loosen the grip a little bit and turn it like with a little less effort, it finally releases. So that’s going to be the first ripple of individual change. I’m going to cut it here as well.

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What would you do if you could experience perfection?

Even if it was just for one moment?

Take a listen to Dr. Benjamin Chambers as he shares with you how to connect with source and experience moments beyond magnificence.

Connect with Ben here: axiscw.com

And check out his podcast here: Your Essential Nature Podcast

Insights & Takeaways:

  • Brandon’s Intro: “I’m on with Dr. Ben Chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness.”
  • 2:03 Dr. Ben’s message is about “Tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as… We wear many different masks in life, many different personas.”
    • This relates directly to the unconscious personas and archetypes that Carl Jung discussed. It begs the question: Who am I really, behind these masks? Who am I truly when I am not portraying a persona?
    • Dr. Ben indicates that the masks/personas are not our real identities, “not really who you are at your deepest level.”
      • Dr. Ben believes that when we step away from these personas and into the present moment which is “already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon… you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being.”
  • 3:58 Dr. Ben refers to a Shakespearean quote from Hamlet which he loves: “There is nothing either good or bad but thinking makes it so.”
    • Dr Ben speaks of a patient who left a note in his office one day which stated simply “Love is.” This also reminds him of a friend that has recently passed who once said, “We are beings of Love and Light.
      • Dr. Ben says that when we don’t receive love and light that it creates pain within us that we store as trauma and emotion. He says, “The only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love.”
  • 7:25 Dr. Ben discusses the semantics of whatever individuals call their path or journey
    • I’m not here to define that for you… whether you call it consciousness, or you call it spirit, whether you call it soul, whether you call it God, whether you call it Divine Universe, it doesn’t matter. We are all on a spiritual path and everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of light.”
  • 19:19 Responding to Brandon’s questions about what it was like when Dr. Ben began to integrate energy work holistically into his practice with patients, Dr. Ben responds:
    • “This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles.” He goes on to explain how the word “Doctor” is derived from a word meaning “to teach.” Where doctors in his field of Chiropractics typically see around 100 people a day he isn’t called to spend a mere few minutes with each person and send them off. He might see closer to around 20 patients per day instead. For him it isn’t about the cash cow of having these patients return again and again as is typical with much of modern healthcare. It is about teaching them to heal and stay healed holistically.
      • “…it’s the outcome that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people a system that you in your heart believe is not complete… as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model: ‘I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare… as soon as you cure them you have lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients. I’m happy for them not to come in, because there are a lot of sick people in the world… Everyone I get to work on, I get to teach, right?”

Spiritual Dope Eureka Moments!

  • 27:30 “You can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic and you can’t get anywhere by just following a map of what someone else did or being the same as a guy across the street.”
  • 28:15 & 28:53 “One of my favorite things to do, it’s called an ‘open secret.’ Do you ever see the halos over a saint’s head? Like the golden light around Christ or around Buddha? That’s an open secret… the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the Crown Chakra. So the trick is, and this is one of my favorite things to do… I focus on my heart and I say the words ‘Thank you.” That opens the Heart Chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well, and just think of the words ‘Thank you.’ Then you focus on your crown, say ‘Thank you’ and then focus inside your head and say ‘Thank you.’ What you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head…”
    • “If you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. The fastest way to be able to reach your spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart. When you say thank you with your crown, it opens up your crown. Have you ever seen the lotus flower before? The lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you.”

49:30 “When you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are.”

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Brandon Handley 0:00
4321 Hey, there’s spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley and I am on with Dr. Ben chambers and it’s his life purpose to bring people into their optimal state of health and wellness chicken with illness in his early 20s. He found he was outside found hope outside of conventional medicine. At the age of 22. He was diagnosed with chronic fatigue syndrome, which relegated him to a life spent at home, unable to work or attend school. While he was seeking medical treatment by some of the area’s experts, he was told to, quote unquote, join a support group and learn to live with this chronic illness. He could not accept this dismissal sentence. Through changes in exercise, diet, lifestyle and regular chiropractic visits, he was able to overcome insurmountable fatigue, recurrent illness and pain, and he began to rebuild his life. This journey defined his passion for health and propelled him into the field of chiropractic and functional medicine, graduating from Cleveland chiropractic in 2009. And he wants you to know that health and living pain free is within reach for all of us. However, achieving true health can be a mystery with the flood of information and Miss information present in our chiropractic energy, healer, speaker and pass it misinformation present and that he is also a chiropractor, energy healer, speaker and he is passionate about helping people to connect with deeper aspects of their being. Dr. Ben, thanks for being here today. How are you?

Dr Ben Chambers 1:29
It’s an honor and a pleasure to be here. Thank you. Yeah, man, I’m doing great doing great.

Brandon Handley 1:34
Yeah, loving life, loving life. So I love to start these off with the idea that we are conduits for creative energy source energy. And that you and I, while we’re having a great conversation, somebody else is out there that’s listening to this podcast. And there’s a message coming through you. For them today. What is that message?

Dr Ben Chambers 2:00
Well, the message would be

Dr Ben Chambers 2:03
tapping into tapping into what you are, as opposed to what other people perceive you as what you perceive yourself, as we wear many different masks within life. Many different personas, you know, you you we talked on the phone while back, you know, you’re a father, you’re an entrepreneur, you’re a podcaster. And these are all just like hats that you wear for a period of time. But it’s not really your true identity or your your your essential nature, like it’s not really who you are your deepest level. But getting a chance to step away and be in the present moment, in the present moments already perfect. There’s nothing to fix, there’s nothing to perfect upon. So when you step away from all these roles, and all these identities and all these ideas of perfection, you actually get to experience the perfection of simply being and when you’re in that state of being, there’s nothing else to really fix or impress upon life begins to slow down and you feel well, you feel authentic, you feel who you really are on your deepest level.

Brandon Handley 3:04
I love that feeling, you know, being something that I was I was on a podcaster this week on you know, my buddy Jeremy, who has a positive side podcasts, he was asking me kind of what it was that I was doing to get in touch with source and how what that look like to be. And I was talking about being in love, right? And that was my meditation. My meditation was about sitting with and being in love, like literally immersed in it, emanating it and just being a love being right, what else do you need to be, you know, in that moment, and you don’t need to go anywhere to find it. It’s already within you. Right? You are limitless potential of all things. And so that goes to Shakespeare’s To be or not to be. And the question is, what do you choose to be?

Dr Ben Chambers 3:58
Right? Yeah, when we choose that we choose that from moment to moment. There’s another quote from Shakespeare I like it is things are neither good nor bad, but the mind makes it so I’m a huge fan of that line

Brandon Handley 4:10
and love that line. Yeah.

Dr Ben Chambers 4:11
But But I have a patient who is in his 80s and he’s just like, he’s a giant teddy bear. He reminds me of like Winnie the Pooh or something like that. And he’s just he’s so still that he makes me feel not still myself like I’m very still but he’s like, he’s like a lake that doesn’t move. And he wrote down on a piece of paper my room one day just just in a calm state just wrote down on piece of paper and left it on my desk. He wrote love is and that’s it. He just wrote the words love is nothing more. Yeah. And and you know, the mind goes with love is what love is that and another friend of mine passed away last year. He said, We are beings made of love and light, per se. I like to add an addendum to that we’re beings made of love and light. So that’s why when If we don’t receive love and light, creates pain within us, hmm. And we store it as trauma and emotion. And the only thing that can unlock the trauma and emotion we’re carrying is going back to love. So, you know, you think about when you go to a therapist or you pay good money for someone to work on you, really what you’re paying for is care. Hmm. And then they hold the space for them to, for you to receive the love that you didn’t receive a long time ago. Hmm. And then that’s what actually transmutes the pain that we’re holding, it’s just having still moment in time where there’s no past or future. And you can take love it actually bring it liberally all throughout the body. And that’s, that’s what that’s the catalyst for healing.

Brandon Handley 5:44
I love that I love that just being able to release that pent up energy, right, that trauma, right? Because it’s kind of like deeply love within you and you’re saying like, no kind of loves the key to let that go right and or be in be in that space. And you talk about like a therapist or something like that this is somebody that’s specializes in that abilities the same way that an energy worker like yourself or coach would do right where they they excel in being able to coax a love coach and coax right that greatness out of you right? And let you realize that right now, just like you started this off with you are great, just right. Now as you are right. I was listening to Swami one of the Swamis earlier Yeah, this week, and he was talking about you are that right? You are that right? You know, Tommasi. Right? You are that not you are becoming that not you’re going to be that you are right now that, just like you were saying, so let’s rewind here and stop there for a second. Because we, you know, I’ve listened to some of your other podcasts that you’re doing. And I know that we could do this all day. What I want to share with the people that are listening with whoever’s listening today to is this, this, let’s talk about, you know, you stepped into becoming a chiropractor, and going about it also with this energy work that you do. And what I want to find out from you is, what was it like? And is it like leading from a spiritual space? Right, versus just your versus simply clinical?

Dr Ben Chambers 7:25
Yeah, and that’s, that’s an interesting, the interesting paradox of, of getting into the healing arts, or anything for that matter. Is, is I think you can you can turn the world into a binary, the binary is, people that know they’re on the spiritual path. And people who don’t know how you define that is uniquely you. And I’m not here to define that for you. But what do you call it consciousness, we call it spirit, whether you call it soul, when you call it God, when you call it divine universe, it doesn’t matter. We’re all on a spiritual path. And everything we do is energy. You know, on a quantum level, we’re vibrating packets of love, we’re vibrating packets of light on a quantum level. So when we’re in school, it is this idea of making everything clinical, somebody comes in who’s sick, and you give them a label, and they become that identity. But that also becomes a prison. As long as you’re looking at somebody as imperfect or broken, they’re going to present as imperfect and broken. So if you understand that, on their deepest level, they are the universe they’re not, as Alan Watts says, they’re not a drop of the ocean, their entire ocean in one drop. They contain within them to see to perfection. And if you sit across in them and see the perfection, it’s already within rapid healing happens. But as soon as you get overly clinical, and you go, Well, they’ve got this malady, you’re seeing them is broken, and so they present is broken. It was, um, eric erickson, the one of the pioneers of psychology, I thought it was being clever because I thought whenever I work on someone, I see them as perfect. I see them as that light. And then and then healing is very rapid, very rapid. So I thought, How clever Am I to think of this? Well, he thought of it well before me, and I’m sure Christ and I’m sure Buddha, and I’m sure others got to that Well, before I did, too. There are no unique ideas in the world. We’re mining them from the field of collective consciousness. And when you’re sitting across from somebody, if you see them in perfection, what will present is perfection. If you see them as broken, mobile present is Zin breaking, if you want to heal them, you have to effectively create an open space where they can step into their perfection. It’s like you talked about Shakespeare, you you you project the stage like for them to step on stage and shine. And then through Free Will they have the choice whether they step into that light or not.

Brandon Handley 9:34
Now, so a lot in that, that. I would love to kind of touch on one of those. One of those pieces is the idea. And I don’t have the book right here with me. There’s a book called off. Power versus force.

Dr Ben Chambers 9:50
Oh, yeah. Dr. Hawkins.

Brandon Handley 9:51
Yes, it’s good stuff. Right. So it’s kind of kind of touching on what you’re talking about there. I actually have another friend who is a therapist out in California. Talking about exactly what you’re saying here. Not only are you a practitioner and you know the physical sense of being, but when you have a mindful awareness that you aren’t necessarily healing that person, you are seeing that person as whole. Right? That that accelerates the healing, because the energy that you’re bringing to it and the vision of that person that you see, is that, is that fair? Is that kind of how I’m understanding it?

Dr Ben Chambers 10:28
Oh, right. Yeah, it’s the idea that

Dr Ben Chambers 10:32
you know, who we are is already a perfected state.

Dr Ben Chambers 10:37
Healing is, you’ve heard this before for the placebo effect before, right? placebo effective effectively is, is giving yourself the belief that you’re going to heal, and then you’re receptive to the idea of healing. I have a lot of people who will schedule and they will start to heal before they come in. So they already start the process of healing Well, before they even come into the space. Sure, they know that it’s the you know, and this is actually a common phenomenon. But, but when someone’s driving off to the hospital, or the doctor’s office, the body already begins to heal before you’ve even gotten there.

Brandon Handley 11:14
I’d like to I’d like to I love that. Right. So placebo is tends to be what around 30%? Is that? Is that right? Is was that a rough

Dr Ben Chambers 11:21
number? 35%. Somewhere there abouts? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 11:24
So that that means that these are the people that kind of have an optimist approach to it knowing feeling and knowing in some sense of the way that it whatever they’re about to interact with, is working right and will work for them. Right? It is, you know, it’s a mental game,

Unknown Speaker 11:43
right? But what we don’t talk about,

Brandon Handley 11:47
there’s the 35% of the people who believe in the placebo, what we don’t talk about are the people who have like, I think I heard dispenza saying it one day like a no CBOE, right. Like, there’s there’s got to be X amount of people that have the mental belief that it won’t work for them. Right. And those people I think are right, um, I think that they’re lost in the shuffle, right, like so. of the 30 of the 100%. You’ve got the 35% that have placebo they’ve got what do they call that? What type of what? Archie’s what type of healing? Is it? You know, that just that they can’t account for? Right that you know, so?

Dr Ben Chambers 12:28
Oh, give me a seat, right?

Brandon Handley 12:30
Yeah. Right. So they’ve got the spontaneous healing. And, you know, that you can’t point a picture to as a matter of fact, I’ve I know, of two people recently, one, whose older son just recently cleared out brain cancer at the age of like, 21. Dude, like, I mean, yeah, fucking real. Unreal, dude, like me. Right? And like he would they were going out and doing things. He was on his way to die. Yeah. And they were doing things like last minute shit, because they want to make the mess that most of their life. Yeah. cleared his fucking shit up to you. I’m so sorry. Like, I can’t I can’t I can’t be anything but excited about that. Right, right, though. So but then. So there’s the 35% of the placebo that are documented, spontaneous healing type things. Where’s the documentation of the people were like, Nah, that’s just not gonna work. Because that’s got to be X number.

Dr Ben Chambers 13:17
Right? Oh, totally. And Bruce Lipton talks about the nocebo effect

Brandon Handley 13:21
that’s separate. It’s okay. Yeah,

Dr Ben Chambers 13:23
yeah, yeah. And that’s but we’re already living it. You know, there’s only a small percentage of the population are willing to see me as a chiropractor. The irony is I’m not really a chiropractor. I’ll do for lack of better word energy healing, I’ll do nutrition, I’ll do functional medicine. I’ll do whatever the person holistic healing, holistic healing Right, right, which is ancient, this is not new Chinese medicine is 5000 plus years old. This is not a new science, right. But the person’s receptivity to it makes a difference. Yeah. And if someone you know, it’s, it’s, there’s a quote from Henry Ford, whether you believe you can or whether you believe you can’t You’re right. So people will enter into it with a closed mind. Right, we’re closed disposition and just leave them the openness to heal. We have a family friend right now, who has stomach issues and ulcers through functional medicine and through things I’ve seen within the Office, I’ve seen people time and again, he’ll you modify the diet you can use to quit rated licorice, you can use aloe vera juice, you can use slippery elm, etc, etc. And, and you can do meditation and things to lower stress. Now, if he took that integrative approach, he would likely he’ll work rapidly from his from his ulcer. But his lack of being open to this prevents them from seeing that as an opportunity or possibility. I hear this all the time. With the mention somebody having spontaneous recovery from brain cancer. I’ve had many patients who’ve recovered from cancer, through hands on healing or other modes. I’ve actually touched tumors on people before and you can feel the melting underneath your hand. Wow. But the thing is, that’s not crazy. Everything is an energy. Everything’s a frequency through. I haven’t learned Reiki that a lot of what I do is self taught or I’ve taken A few courses to kind of hone hone skills. But in Reiki, they talk about bio magnetic fields in the bio magnetic field is everything has its own oscillatory field, right? And when something falls out of rhythm, it’s almost like having a concert where you know the horns are coming in late or, or, you know, the flutes or the clarinets are not playing the same song as the rest of the rest of the orchestra. If you can throw it through bringing frequency or bringing energy or bringing bringing integration back into the body, get them all into concert, then the body can fall back into rhythm and healing can happen. It’s it’s got What is his name?

Dr Ben Chambers 15:37
Oh, so he’s got

Dr Ben Chambers 15:40
he’s one of the talking heads with an alternative health but he had a video where he Gregg Gregg Braden Gregg Braden. Yeah, he has a video where? Yeah, it’s got Yeah, it’s got a video where he’s got these these Chinese healers working on a lady and they have an ultrasound. Have you seen that before? Yeah. Got and you can see the tumor shrinking in real time. Yeah, I know, if I was skeptical, I wouldn’t believe it. But I personally witnessed that, and I’ve had so many patients who’ve witnessed the same thing.

Brandon Handley 16:10
You know, it’s, it’s the idea of, either everything’s a miracle or nothing’s a miracle.

Dr Ben Chambers 16:14
Einstein, right.

Brandon Handley 16:16
But I mean, even even, you know, this past year for me, it’s been a lot of time spent with Hinduism and Vedanta. You know, and, and the same premises, like, either everything is God or nothing is God. Right? So, same principle, either everything is or everything is not

Dr Ben Chambers 16:40
the loser? Yeah, for a second, my internet connection is not the best.

Brandon Handley 16:44
So you know what? So it’s funny that you bring up the idea of, you know, people are receptive to something or not, I mean, I mean, there are receptor cells, right. I mean, again, the biochemic, our own biochemistry mimics kind of the outside, same thing, you know, if there’s somebody that’s, you know, mentally prepared themselves not to receive, you know, there’s there’s a, I’m guessing, you know, there’s a bubbling out versus like a kind of receptor field, you know, being created totally, but they just won’t let that in.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:15
Well, you’ve heard of chakras before, right?

Brandon Handley 17:17
Yeah, not too deep on Shockers, but you know, I am familiar with them.

Dr Ben Chambers 17:20
Yeah. So So, you ever get like a pit in your stomach before? Hmm. Now, the pit in your stomach is the solar plexus chakra. Okay. And chakra can be thought of as like Windows, right? So imagine, imagine, each chakra was a room to a part of your body. Okay. And you didn’t open up the windows, so the air became stagnant. Hmm. You know, or otherwise, when people close off their chakra or their energy body, it’s not allowing certain things in. And it’s not allowing a flow of energy within those systems. I had chronic fatigue for a long time. And so my stomach always felt tight or knotted up. And as I’ve gotten, as I’ve, as I’ve healed over the years, and as I’ve actually improved my energy, my stomach, my solar plexus, my body’s very open, I feel very loose and very, very open and free. Why bring that up is when people are closed, their mid back or their chest will tighten, or parts of their body will tighten. They literally become like a rock or stone. Right? And, and I look at it like a turtle going back in it show, huh? You know, like, it just kind of closes out from the world and blocks anything else from coming in. And you can tell because when you’re inspired, you’re breathing in deeply. And when you’re not, you’re not breathing in very much at all. So when you’re in the flow rhythm of life, your body relaxes you breathe, and you you’re actually connected. And when you’re not, you’ll drink you’ll smoke, you’ll you’ll do something to like occupy your mind. So you can be somewhere else,

Brandon Handley 18:40
right? disengaged? Yeah. disengage, disengage. So, so you’re in this business. Now let’s talk about what what was it like for you? What is it like for you, you know, when you started with kind of leading holistically with the energy space? Did you start there? Or was it did you start with being a chiropractor being very doctory? Right, doctor, Dr. Ben, total doctor until least, you know, stiff, and then opening up into the space and talk about what how that changed for life for you a little bit in your practice for you.

Dr Ben Chambers 19:19
This gets into like, fulfilling archetypal roles. You know, like we have this idea of what the we have this idea of what the ideal is, hmm. So the ideal chiropractor is someone that sees 100 people a day, spends three minutes with each person, you know, cranks on their neck, pizza tarda them insane. Often they come back a week later. You know, that’s the archetypal form. But I didn’t, I didn’t like that. It wasn’t fulfilling and I never saw I’d never seen more than 20 people a day. I mean, take a chance to know them. Right? You don’t get really chance, a chance to connect with them. Right? But working physically with people. I found So I started working nutritionally, that would only take them so far, right. And then I started doing more of the hands on healing work and everything else. And you start to get a clear idea of why people hurt. But it’s about outcomes that you get, you get tired of trying to sell people, a system that you and your heart believe is not complete. And you go like a spiritual seeker, you keep on seeking until you get a clear idea of what that might be. So it’s the idea that, that, that you don’t receive healing from someone else that you are healing. And you learn how to carry that with you every day. And then hopefully, as a society, we teach each other how to be healthy and whole and balanced. Like the Buddha, the Eightfold Path of, of, of harmony, or enlightenment, is just an idea of being harmonized with everything that we do. Linda case of the patient, as a chiropractor, you can get into the fear model, I got to keep this person sick so that they can continue coming in to see me. Our whole medical system is predicated on the idea of disease care, rather than healthcare. You identify with an illness, you treat someone for the rest of their life for that illness. And, and you have a patient for life. As soon as you cure them, you’ve lost a patient. So with me, I’m happy to lose patients, I’m happy for them not to come in. Because there’s a lot of sick people in the world. They refer people that they know and I get to work with them too. But everyone I work on, I get to teach, right? And then they get to take that into their lives. And that becomes each one teach one or or the idea that what the word doctor truly means. Is teacher.

Brandon Handley 21:35
Okay, okay. Yeah, never, I never even did not know that. The doctor meant teacher. So I love that. Yeah, kind of lines back into the discipline, which is a disciple, which is like education, right to learn, right? So I love kind of, I love that thought process. The other thing I want to know you’re talking in there, you know, you’ve got these people that are walking around who think that they’re sick. And again, I’m just I’m not a doctor myself, but but like this, to me, just like these are replicator cells, right? Like, everywhere they go, like, in the body of humanity. These are replicator cells. These are people anywhere they go, they look at you, and they say, I say doctor bad. I’m sick. And and, you know, you’re like, Oh, yes, you’re sick as a replicator cell, right? And the next person that you look over to you like that person, you know, over, they’re sick, because you’re a replication of what somebody’s telling you. In essence, right? So what you’re able to do is you’re able to see them as whole and look back at them be like, no, you’re, you are whole. Right? And then, you know, you’re kind of reverse that reversing that replication back to them. Does that make sense? Right,

Dr Ben Chambers 22:40
yeah, you’re in training them to the field?

Brandon Handley 22:42
Mm hmm. Yeah, that’s another part. So that’s another. I love it. So that’s another part of the force versus power, right? Power sports. I forget the name of the book, The Dr. Atkins, right. Dr. Boyce? Yeah. Um, so when you first set people set the person’s, like, verbally told somebody, you were doing energy work on them? You know, what was that? Like? What was it like to step into that space?

Dr Ben Chambers 23:08
Well, it’s actually more of a recent endeavor, because we’re not to be fair, we’re always doing energy work.

Brandon Handley 23:15
So but when you when you like, you know, you’re like, hold up a banner and be like, right? They were doing energy work? Right, right, somebody who’s just walking into a chiropractor’s office, and, you know, you’ve got the people who are not receptive to it. Right. Totally. I mean, there’s got to be a little bit of a fear with leading with that,

Dr Ben Chambers 23:31
right. And the thing about it is, it’s, it’s, you can make something esoteric, exoteric, you can make it known to people. It’s just like, you know, if you never had a mirror, you know, and I was like, You got hair on your head, you know, and you’d be like, well, prove it to me, and I’m like, well, raise your hand up and feel it. I’ll say things to people, like, if you’ve ever had a child scrape his knee, you know, and then you hug and hold them and they feel better, or you’ve gotten a hug. And that that hug makes you feel better, right? Or, you know, you’re out in traffic and you hold your hand up like this, or you point at somebody, this is all energy, right? And it’s just understanding that emotion is energy. One of my favorite things to show people I think I have it in this drawer. Actually, this is this is good timing. Is this chart. Funny that I would have it here. This is a thermographic scan of the body.

Brandon Handley 24:22
Hmm. I love that. That’s great.

Dr Ben Chambers 24:23
Yeah. And what it shows is with with somebody who has depression, their body is blue. Hmm. You know, under the heat under the wave, when they’re angry. There’s heat rising up to their head. They’re a hothead. Right? But when they’re in a state of happiness, or love, right, their whole body is warm. Hmm. And that’s, that’s just the movement of energy within the body. That’s

Brandon Handley 24:45
energy that’s lighting up. They’re lighting up, they’re becoming enlightened. I mean, is that fair to say?

Dr Ben Chambers 24:49
Oh, no. And that’s the idea behind enlightenment. Enlightenment is a very simple term, it means that you’ve actually taken all of your trauma, and anything that does not cause you to vibrate with love and light and you’ve moved it into A state where it’s all of enlightened become an empty container to hold more light. Hmm. And you think about that, then the whole body on a scan would just be light. Right? It would be the energy because because because the the heat, or the lack of heat. What I love here, though, right is the science

Brandon Handley 25:15
is proving out what’s already been stated for many, many years, right? You’re feeling blue, there’s literally a picture and a graphic that corresponds to that. Right? Right. You are You are in loving presence, you are enlightened, there’s literally now a scientific thermal graphic that

Unknown Speaker 25:32
can show that, right. So totally, I love that.

Dr Ben Chambers 25:36
I love that. And the thing is science and religion, were unpaired because of not to get spiritual, but because of the church A long time ago, you know, Galileo was on house arrest for the last 20 years of his life, right? You know, Copernicus, Kepler and others who were challenging geo centricity, you know, that idea that the Earth was the center of the universe. Were castigated. You know, they didn’t they want to, they don’t want to put themselves out there. So there was a natural split between the church and in science, but Einstein, Newton, other great thinkers, they were mystics, right? Right. They were tapping into something when Einstein will come up with his theorems. It would be in the twilight hours of night, he was in a deep meditative state, where he was getting these visions, right. So it’s

Dr Ben Chambers 26:22
essential.

Brandon Handley 26:23
If we, if we look at if we like the idea of again, the idea of like constriction, or tightening up, right, or being ultra focus versus the idea of opening up and being receptive to other things that we simply have no idea of, right? We are we are receptive to new ideas, right? You don’t know everything? And that’s okay. Right, obviously, and then, you know, there are going to be pieces that finally just kind of fall out of the ether and click together. I mean, those are the eureka moments, right? You know, what, what was that when I forget, you know, who that was? Who said it, but you know, running through that, you know, the light has gone off, there’s an epiphany happening, wrong. And so, you stepped into this, you’re stepping into this space, what I want to kind of hammer home for some people is that, you know, has you you felt Have you felt more fulfillment, with leading from this energy space than a strictly clinical space? And has your business kind of grown in a way that you didn’t think was possible because of it?

Dr Ben Chambers 27:30
Well, it can, it gets into this idea that you’ll never, not that it’s about separating, because it’s ideally we’re all unifying, right? We’re unifying through the heart. But one you can’t get anywhere by being inauthentic. And to you can’t get anywhere by by just following a map of what someone else did. Or being the same as a guy across the street. If you feel so compelled to push things forward, push it forward. But I’m occupying space that I feel like needs to be occupied, and I feel authentic in doing so. And people. Generally speaking, people do not. They do not attack you when they can sense that what you’re saying is true to your core, right? Or when you can show them aspects of themselves that they didn’t know existed.

Brandon Handley 28:12
Right. So what’s an example of that? I’d love to hear that.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:15
Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally. Um, and maybe we can play around with this at some point. But one of my favorite things to do is it’s called an open secret. But do you ever see the halos over a saints head? Yes. And unlike the golden light around like Christ around Buddha around it, that’s an open

Brandon Handley 28:30
graphic. I mean, that’s, that’s literally part of my, that’s part of my, my logo, right? My awesome visual dope logos, right, I’ve got behind, you know, set, I’ve got a Jesus piece where he’s got the he’s holding up and he’s got a heart on his head. And that’s where the lights coming out of. And then I’ve got a Buddha where the hearts like, you know, with the lights coming out of and so the idea got, though, so.

Dr Ben Chambers 28:53
But that’s, that’s it right there. These are called Open secrets. And the halo was not a fancy hat, it was an opening of the crown chakra. So the trick is, and this is my favorite thing to do, we can do it right now if you want to. So you do and you know, and anyone listening to this right now pay attention, because you’ll feel it as well. That’s the amazing thing is whatever you’re watching, you’re getting programmed to, and you’ll feel it energetically. So what I do is I focus on my heart. And I say the word Thank you. Okay, and that opens up the heart chakra. So focus on your heart. You can tap it if you want to as well. And and just think the word. Thank you. Thank you. And then focus about a foot above your head and say the word Thank you. Thank you. Thank you,

Brandon Handley 29:35
like, rubbing my belly. And yeah, thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 29:39
Yeah, but just focus your heart. Thank you focus on your crown, say thank you, and then focus inside of your head and say thank you. Thank you. And what you’ll feel is a tingling along the top of your head. And you’ll feel Yeah, you don’t have to tap anymore. But you’ll feel a tingling on top of your head. Right? And if you pay attention to the center of your head, you’ll actually feel your pineal gland. And the fastest way to be able to reach a spiritual side is gratitude. So when you say thank you with your heart, it opens up your heart when you say thank you for your crown, it opens up your credit ever seen the lotus flower before the lotus flower is a depiction of the crown chakra opening, right and enlightenment, right? So heart opens, thank you. Crown opens, thank you, and then that that golden light that you see within those religious images, it happens to you. Right? You know, I’m not saying it happens the same degree as Christ or Buddha. But you actually tap into your consciousness, your soul, your essence, we have

Brandon Handley 30:36
to think though, everybody has to know that they didn’t start that way on day one. Right? I mean, it didn’t start like that that way. On day one, this is, you know, you’re in a medical and a spiritual and a life practice. Versus right, nobody calls this a life done or a meditation done, right? meditation, perfection, it’s always a practice of always, you know, not not necessarily getting better at it, simply practicing it, right. I mean, it’s even, um, you know, when So, my idea or thought process about the lotus flower is also the very idea that it is and it is naturally unfolding, right? It’s naturally blossoming. You know, these are these are naturally unfolding essences of yourself that kind of, if you think about the heart, mind connection, right? Like you just did there right connecting both of those, but also kind of that welling energy without that just simply unfolds. Right? Totally blossoms.

Dr Ben Chambers 31:42
Yeah. Well into your point. It is it is a process, you can reach spontaneously as spontaneous enlightenment. That’s what the Buddha was said to have done under the under the forget what kind of a tree Bodhi tree Yeah, yeah, Bodhi tree. But within within the chakra theory in this is more Hindu belief. And by the way, I’m not I’m not any particular religion, I just I listen to truth, and I take it in, but they talk about like, Governor’s like, almost like on a car. Right? And how, as you develop spiritually, certain centers open up more and more and more. So for some people, the wide open for other people, it’s a gradual unfolding, right. And it develops, and then they’re able to tap in with with greater and greater ease. Now, I love it. I love it. So um,

Brandon Handley 32:36
yeah, dude. I mean, so do you feel now kind of more in alignment with all that you’re doing? And kind of like this, this greater universe is opening up for you. experience.

Dr Ben Chambers 32:51
And you’re, where you’re at? Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 32:55
Right. It’s about trust. And it’s about authenticity. And so if you’re, you think about it this way, the universe is a mirror. And if you make faces in front of the mirror, it makes faces back at you, right? You know, if you yell, someone was likely gonna yell at you. But if you constantly project authenticity, what comes back is authenticity. So whenever you feel your core, you have to express if that’s your truth, and then meeting into trust, like you’ve heard of yin and yang before, right? You know, Yin would be the the flowing of the river, and Yang would be moving away from the branches that are in the river, so you don’t get hit. Right. And there’s a balance between the two, there’s a time for action and time for inaction. Right. And if you’re floating down the river, then the river is already doing all the work for you. Right, right. Yeah. But you have to be discerning enough to know when it’s time to act. Yeah. And so when you’re in a state of flow, or rhythm, in a state of harmony, and you’re grounded, you don’t really have to use a lot of energy or effort you just kind of float through life and everything comes to you because you become the attractor field for what it is you’re trying to bring in. And the more you that you are, the more you get back exactly what it is you want

Brandon Handley 34:14
with like the attractor field and with the action Do you feel like there’s some type of does action um, amplify the attractor field right does like you know, so yeah, this is kind of like a you know, Dr. Ben thinks it and he does it the universe revise right? You think it you say universe knows now that this is your accordance that you think it say do it universes like Well, shit, I better open up the way because every time you know, Dr. Ben says he thinks that he does it. This is a pattern. You know, again, does do the actions amplify this kind of attractor field?

Dr Ben Chambers 34:54
Oh, most definitely. Most definitely. It’s it’s the idea that was Energy you’re putting out there is what you’re amplifying. And and how you say it. Like there’s there’s a guy who’s he does this relationship series, I’m gonna bleep myself a little bit, but it’s life is either fps or F No. Right. And, and with that, it’s like, if you don’t feel that with anything you’re doing, then don’t do it is this point? Yeah, you know, bring 100% of yourself into whatever you’re doing, and it’ll come back. 100%. But people, you know, we talked about the nocebo effect before, people will think the thoughts that they don’t want, thus attracting them. Because what they’re saying like, let’s say for instance, you come into my office and you want health, right? You know, what you might be saying is I’m sick, right? I’m sick, I’m sick. I’m sick. Right? And that’s what I did for a long time. When I was sick, I would, I would, I would meet you. And I’d say, you know, Brandon, I’m on chronic fatigue syndrome. Sherry, nice to meet you. Alright. But now I think I’m healthy. And I feel it to my core. And what reflects back is health. But yeah, your thoughts and your actions are creating. And if you think about God in this way, I’m not I’m not saying like, you have to subscribe to this. But if the kingdom of heaven lies within, then it means God is interwoven into everything. Yeah, you guys everything or nothing. Right? God is everything. Right? So from that perspective, every thought you have in every word you say is a prayer. And God is interwoven into all things. So you are basically speaking to the field all the time. Now working with working with patients is fascinating. As soon as I think something, I feel it inside their body. If I think the thought for to clear a release it releases. That’s how fast the field responds. Right. But we are swimming in we are swimming in the ocean of God, one of our receptionist who’s an energy worker known, right? She said, she’s watching a documentary on sharks. And she realized that the shark wasn’t swimming in the ocean. But the ocean was swimming the shark.

Brandon Handley 36:52
That’s cute. Yeah, I mean, right. It’s I mean, the ocean is what’s moving the shark around. Right. Exactly. And creating the space for it and and allowing and allowing for, you know, you mentioned the field. You know, For the uninitiated, I don’t know who’s made it that far through this podcast, it wouldn’t be the uninitiated, but

Unknown Speaker 37:10
Sure. uninitiated, what do you mean by the field?

Dr Ben Chambers 37:14
Right? Well, let’s say that.

Dr Ben Chambers 37:18
Let’s say that we’re all swimming in the ocean, right? If I were to take my arm and I was to push water, he would create a wave, right? And that wave might create a splash that affects you in some way. Or maybe a child is in the pool and peas or something like that. It’s warmer in one area. Sure. kind of disgusting. But eventually it spreads out everywhere, right? So if you think of like the world as as basically swimming in an ocean of water, and that what you’re doing is creating a wave. And that wave is rippling out further and further. That is the field. Okay? We don’t think of our thoughts as something that carry out but our thoughts are actually matter that take up space and actually have an energy of their own. Right. So when you’re having a thought, or you’re thinking something, you’re actually like, splashing a wave into the ocean, right? You know, are you making a little ripple? Are you making a tide? Are you splashing a wave? That’s going to bring back good things to you? Are you going splashing a wave, it’s actually going to cause you to drown?

Brandon Handley 38:15
Well, this is so this is on, and I love it. Right? So thank you, right? And this is, to me, this is where I’d love your thought process on it. This is where emotion and mind Connect. Right? This is where the heart mind connection comes from. This is where your emotion amplifies your thoughts, right? You can have a thought of gratitude you were talking about earlier, right? It’s one thing to mentally think I’m grateful for this. I’m grateful for that snippety Snap, snap snap, versus feeling it right and emanating it. And as we think about that feeling of emanation. I mean, you’ve talked a lot about the attractor field, you’ve talked about, you know, the crown chakra, we’ve talked about energy talked about being the central point, I think about two things, I think about the tourist field, like being being you know, you’re a core of the tourist. Right? You’re like you’re you’re that middle of the vortex there. And then also think about, um, we are electromagnetic fields, we are no different then Planet Earth, where if you look out there, right there, okay, that’s a tourist field. Again, you’ve got energy fields, you’ve got the North Pole, which we all know if you play with magnets, that you know, the north and south, you know, they attract each other, but that’s the same field kind of going out there it emanates. And it keeps circulating, right, I mean, that that energy field keeps moving. So, again, you know, your emotions, amplify your thoughts, without connecting your heart and mind which was a Buddhist thing that I got, you know, talking about Alan Watts earlier, when he first talked about the heart mind that the Buddhism talks about, I lost my mind as I What is it? I had to I had to track it down. Right. And it was Gregg Braden who brought it home for me and his Thomas, you know, move mountains. thing, right? So Gregg Braden has got one on that, but what what are your thoughts on that? And how do you feel like you came to that space? If you did at all?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:12
Yeah. So we’re talking about like emotions in the attractor field and, and, and the spin how it actually plays with the universe itself?

Brandon Handley 40:20
Well, so Connect. So, um, we talked about emotional mastery, right? That’s the idea that, you know, you either, you know, depends on your where you come from on this too, but like, you know, your thoughts and your emotions working in unison, right to totally create that yield, right? Because your emotions are what? And electromagnetic field? Is that true or fine?

Dr Ben Chambers 40:45
No, no, it’s true. It’s it’s creating, yeah, it’s creating a wave, it has its own frequency. What I’d like to add to anyone listening, because this is an important point, too, is if you’re feeling anger, feeling anger, if you’re feeling sadness, feel sadness. You can watch it, or feel where it’s located inside of your body. Like, as soon as you have a thought, I’d like to say as soon as you have a thought. It’s only happening because of the energy you’re holding inside of yourself, or the trauma, right? If you can go to where you’re holding it inside of yourself, maybe you feel heaviness within your chest, maybe you feel a tightness along your stomach, maybe you’re having a hard time breathing. But if you just feel it, the thought will go away, because that was the fuel behind the thought. So why I want to delineate that is because people think that just thinking positive thoughts is the answer. But if you have to sneeze, sneeze, if you have to burp, burp, right, don’t it’s no less spiritual, for getting angry or for being sad, right. And in fact, as your as your light as you’re leveling up, getting more conscious and becoming more aware and feeling more connected, more things are going to come to the surface. Because you think about it, like all the things you haven’t healed from right, are looking for an opportunity to find the healing once you’re in a place to do so. It’s all going to rise up. When you say becoming more conscious. You know, I believe what you’re saying is of your anger, your emotions, right, and catching that and feeling it is that what you’re saying? it’s twofold. It’s it’s the path of enlightenment. So it’s a path of feeling more connection to God, divine universe source, and your spirit, your consciousness, your energy field, whatever you want to call that. As you become more aware of these of the whole apparatus, right? You feel more stillness, you feel more connection, you feel more love around you, you see your connection to all things around you, as opposed to being separate from the world. You feel lighter, because you’re not carrying as much heaviness It was like weighing you down. For sure. That kind of conscious, but then also being conscious of what you’re feeling inside. A lot of us live inside of our head, and we’re not feeling all the things we’ve been holding on to for most of our life. Right? And you think about it, like how much have you stored in your body over the course of however many years you’re alive a lifetime, a lifetime, right? And, and it all wants one thing at all wants to have love understanding compassion, forgiveness, a god day, etc. And once that in order to be free, people think that they can just, you know, get rid of this for me. You have to love it into integration, not push it away from you.

Brandon Handley 43:12
That’s the idea of Shadow Work. Right?

Dr Ben Chambers 43:14
Shadow Work. Exactly. Yeah, the Shadow Work is the shadow.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:21
What What is it? It’s it’s recognizing, it’s recognizing that just because the clouds are out that the sun is still there. Mm hmm. So you may have darkness or shadow or anger or something inside of you. It doesn’t make you any less spiritual.

Dr Ben Chambers 43:47
But recognize it, hear it, listen to it, and it will integrate. There’s a Japanese artwork called kansui. And consumers where they break pottery, and then they meld it with gold to fix it, but the idea is, you’re already whole you’re already complete. The fact that you’ve forgotten that is

Unknown Speaker 44:22
I think I’m getting a bit of a lag.

Brandon Handley 44:23
Yeah, we got a little bit of lag. I love kansui I love the idea of you’re already hold that you’re presenting another way that I somebody shared it with me not too long ago as well. It’s just, you know, it takes some it’s hard to it’s hard to do my incorrect in that like And so, in being able to connect pottery with gold. There’s an artistry to it, right? Is that is that true or false? Oh yeah, most definitely. And then It’s it’s almost as that is almost as though that piece looks better because of what has been done the broken pieces being put back together with those with that goal. Right with. Yeah. So it’s almost it’s almost better off that that has happened. So I love I love that, um,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:23
I know gold makes everything better. Right?

Brandon Handley 45:27
Gold makes everything better,

Dr Ben Chambers 45:28
but some gold on it, it’ll immediately make it. It’s like Jim gaffigan said, if you want to make anything better add bacon. Right, right. But the others also pretty nice.

Brandon Handley 45:36
Yeah, it doesn’t hurt it. You know, I think one of the other things too, when we talk about talk about being bodies of light. I just recently saw just kind of how we literally are made from stars. Right, everything that we are, right. So you know how, you know, I don’t know, play with it a little bit, kick that around for something.

Unknown Speaker 46:01
What what do you what are your thoughts on that?

Dr Ben Chambers 46:04
Well, Carl Sagan said, we’re all made of stars. Hmm. So so to the atheist when I was an atheist for a while, I would say it’s we’re all one. So whether we’re all one and unified from the Big Bang, or while one unified from stars, the universe, but the universe translates. And you may already know this, it universe means one song, universe, one song. So we’re all one, whether you call it an old man in the sky, whether you call it the you know, the the singularity or the Big Bang, where we all become quantumly entangled, we’re all one. And so being all made from stars just means that we all come from the same cosmic soup. And a real abstraction, and this is going to be probably over a few people’s heads is if we’re all one, then as you climb the ladder, higher and higher, you dance with God. You dance with with what we are on our highest level, right? With that, and you know, you would say a Christ figure or Buddha figure merged.

Brandon Handley 47:10
I love it. And then there’s a there’s the idea that ourselves, you know, kind of regenerate right. I also recently saw how, just what you’re saying there, right, Christ and Buddhist merging, but the cells that were in Christ and Buddha, if they were ever really true people, there’s thousands of theirselves in your in you right now, as we speak. Oh, right. I mean, quite literally, yourselves. Right? Like, I mean, so quite literally, right now. You know, there are pieces of Jesus and Buddha in all of us.

Dr Ben Chambers 47:49
Right? Well, in that goes back to the kingdom of heaven lies within. You know, it’s this idea that heaven and hell are our actual states outside of us. But their dimensional states that we exist in all the time, and more physical you become the more earthly that is, the more hell you’re gonna experience. If you become q astral, you’ll become unrelatable to anybody. Yeah, but but the idea is, is that there is a cosmic seed that lies within all of us. And I actually believe as many people do that the idea of the Second Coming is really Christ consciousness, or universal consciousness and all of us. Right, right.

Brandon Handley 48:28
I mean, I mean, right? I mean, let’s do it. Right? I mean, what? Why not? Yeah. So listen, the idea, again, I think for this is for this podcasts is to have people like yourself who are leading from this space, and doing it with intention, doing it with purpose, and overcoming the fear of not, you know, not being your authentic self, like we kind of talked about before, what would you know, so let’s say somebody is on the precipice of taking that, you know, Neo leap, right, or whatever, you know, into themselves. And finally, you know, connecting with God connecting with source and leading with that, what would you tell somebody who’s been running a traditional business? What would be some guidance for them?

Dr Ben Chambers 49:26
Well, it gets back into that idea before that.

Dr Ben Chambers 49:30
That what you are is what you attract. So if you are scarcity, and if you’re fear, you’re going to attract more of it. So if you begin to lean into, like, for me I was when I was atheist, I started reading the Tao de Ching, or Taoism, and Taoism didn’t promise heaven or hell. All it did was talk about how we fall into a universal flow. And now all things are in rhythm together. You know, business entrepreneurs talk about flow states. It’s the idea that that as long as you’re being anything but authentic, as long as you’re living a life that isn’t really who you are, you’re going to suffer. And when you’re playing a role, rather than being who you really are, you’ll never feel whole and complete. And you’ll always look for something outside of yourself to fix it, or you’ll blame someone outside or something outside of yourself for why things are the way they are. So think about it. The life of the party is only the life of the party, because they create such a powerful attractor field that everyone wants to be around them, right. It’s like how the sun collapses spacetime. And planets begin to orbit, right? So if you become that if you become the most authentic form of who you are, you’re always rewarded. The universe always rewards authenticity. And people can tell when you’re being fake and dishonest. So whatever your song is, I like to say, this is like, Kahlil Gibran, the prophet. He said, We’re like instruments of God, you know, and God’s winds blow through us and we play a beautiful melody. But your song may be different than my song. And your instrument may be different than mine. And we may make beautiful music, but may we may sound different.

Brandon Handley 51:08
Hundred percent, right? Yeah, that’s how you have harmony. Right? That’s, that’s where the symphony comes into play. Right? That’s where all these you know, courses come into play. It’s to hear one note over and over and over. While it may be beautiful on its own, if it’s, you know, accompanied in a true harmonic way, on a true harmonizing way. And symphonic it’s, it’s beautiful. Right. And, and so I feel like that’s what you’re saying.

Dr Ben Chambers 51:43
Oh, totally. And that’s what makes up the spectrum. Like,

Dr Ben Chambers 51:47
another way I like to look at it as if God the universe is light. Do you ever, ever see a light play through a prism? And it makes a rainbow? Hundred percent? Yeah, we are the rainbow. And God, the universe is the light. Hmm. So when God the universe plays into the spectrum of this physical realm, we get all these different colors. And that’s what we see as differentiation. That’s what we see a separation. That’s what we hear is different, different tunes in different notes. But it’s really just that one light being broken up into different pieces. Right. And when we when we recognize that all those pieces joining together, make that one light, we have an appreciation for the diversity that’s out there.

Brandon Handley 52:31
I love that, you know, celebrate each other’s diversity, right? Yeah, celebrate, celebrate each other’s differences, because that’s what makes the whole?

Dr Ben Chambers 52:41
Well, and it’s interesting, because for someone to have a position, there has to be an opposition. So for you to have a viewpoint or a belief, there has to be something that opposes it more often than not, you know, when it comes to love, there’s nothing that opposes love. Hmm, I look at what

Brandon Handley 52:54
it is, is 100%. Right. All the way back to beginning where you got the client that right side on the paper, right? Love is. So

Dr Ben Chambers 53:04
yeah, in fact, in fact, it’s funny, because I have that here, too.

Brandon Handley 53:11
That’s awesome. Right? That’s, that’s just great. It’s got a client. And it’s great to be able to have clients that are willing to leave that behind for you. How great is that? as we as we kind of wind down here. What you know, I love the idea of spiritual dope, right? The idea kind of comes from taking those hits of spirituality and getting your life highs, right, your spirituality highs versus Look, I you know, I listened to your podcast with with your quartet. Right, and I enjoy it a lot. And I remember hearing a couple of them talking about like raves and the rave scene. Right. And that was something for me back in the day running around, you know, just taking everything that would like, you know, whatever, whatever I could ingest. And I’m lucky to admit it, made it out made it out there on skates, but Yeah, me too. To be able to feel even better than that. Through this connection with source or whatever you want to call it. Um, is that’s my idea of kind of a spiritual ness, my spiritual dope, right? That’s it. Yeah. What is the what is what is something that you do? That gives you that feeling?

Dr Ben Chambers 54:29
Whether there’s aspects of meditation where you reach high levels, right, and and to talk about the spiritual dope. in some circles, they say that drugs actually open up those centers temporarily. They force them open, but you don’t know how to keep them open or keep them connected. That’s one thing I like to do is like to commune with nature. I love doing work with people. I love. I love working in the healing arts. But when I meditate, I’ll meditate with my heart and my crown and I’ll feel in Hinduism Nicola. Ananda, which means divine bliss. And I’ll feel this immense divine bliss coming through. And what I realized is that divine bliss is there for me and for everyone else. Mm hmm. When you realize that at the door knocking, wanting to come in is this love that is like drinking from a firehose, hmm, then you don’t have to seek anywhere else. You don’t have to seek outside of yourself with relationships or anything else, you’ll create relationships, but they’ll be relationships that are healthy and whole, and mutual. But when you make that connection, like you’re saying, with the spiritual dope, it is such a sublime feeling that requires nothing more than connecting in with what we already are. That it’s, it’s like, I believe that the Buddha in Christ took us to the sunset, and then man tried to describe it. But when you actually experience the sunset for yourself, it’s sublime.

Brandon Handley 55:50
Right now, that’s perfect. That’s perfect. And, you know, I alluded to Alan Watts a lot simply because, um, he was there when I came into this space, right? Like, this is kind of how my entry into the into the space was through a ton of Alan Watts.

Dr Ben Chambers 56:05
I love Alan Watts.

Brandon Handley 56:06
Yeah. But the idea is that words are clumsy and can never truly capture the the totality of the experience that you just express. Right? You said sublime. But you know, what is that? You know? So, you know, if you haven’t experienced that before, I know that I’ve mentioned it before that it’s a lot like getting into that flow state. Right. But even greater, right, and kind of like a nicer, nicer way of being. So. Thank you for that. I really appreciate it. And then what you know, look, again, I feel like you and I could probably do this for like a week straight, easily. easily. What, where should I send people to connect with you? And you know, who would be your ideal client as somebody who’s reached out to you from, you know, across the pond, right? digitally?

Dr Ben Chambers 56:59
Yeah. So I do distance sessions with people. And what I do is, I believe everyone’s empathic, right, but we’ve forgotten how to feel inside. So like, when I’m talking to somebody, I can feel what’s going on inside their body. And I’ll do distance Healing Sessions where I’m just having them think thoughts, or going back to an emotion or feeling, I’ll show them where it’s located inside their body. And then I’ll help them to move it. And it only takes a second. But when you can teach people that they can move, what they’re holding inside of themselves very rapidly. My website is is access CW so x is CW calm. And we’re on we’re on Facebook, as well as access chiropractic. And we’re in Lee’s Summit, Missouri. I have a podcast, which is called your essential nature. And the essential nature podcast is on Facebook. But the idea behind that is is it’s like it’s like a cousin of of your podcast where spiritual dope where we’re just having conversations from our perspective, because like we were saying before, we didn’t get here overnight, we’ve had to take each individual step to get there. There’s a song from from Atlas sound and Leticia Sadie a. It’s about 10 years old now. But one of the lines within it is I thought saints were born saints. But then I realized I grew into it. You know, I one of my one of my boys is St. Francis, I just love him because he would he would pray to Him to sermonize with the animals. And when I do energy work, that the whole back area of my office will fill with birds, we had 40 doves come the other day, nature knows what’s up. But the idea is we are on this this path is trajectory. And if we’re patient with ourselves eventually we reach really, really amazing heights of spirituality and connection. But yeah, that’s what that’s what our podcasts and that’s what my life is about.

Brandon Handley 58:49
So who should reach out to

Dr Ben Chambers 58:53
everyone?

Dr Ben Chambers 58:55
No, no it people that are people that are wanting to go deeper people that are wanting to know deeper aspects of themselves. People are ready to really look at their their pain discomforts, things they’ve been holding inside of themselves. Not everyone wants to do that. You know, some people aren’t ready to do that. But people who are ready to go deeper and have a deeper understanding of what’s going on inside their, their internal world and then also how to learn how to connect on a deeper mystical or spiritual level. And they could take that into whatever belief system they have. It’s not it’s not specific to a particular religion. What you find is Christian mysticism, Jewish mysticism, Hindu Hindu, mysticism boot is etc. It’s all the same teaching. It’s just different. Different teachers. They’re all saying the same thing.

Brandon Handley 59:44
Yeah, hundred percent. Yeah, there’s a guy Edwin Bryan, who just tell he says, you know, look, you can you can study all of them in the end, just you’re gonna have to you got to pick one up and just go with it. Yeah, right. So just

Dr Ben Chambers 59:58
get a picture of like Jesus in the swimming Dude like he’s my pinup for this month.

Brandon Handley 1:00:01
That’s it. That’s it. I want to go with it. So thank you, Dr. Ben, so much for coming on today. I enjoyed this conversation and thanks for sharing out with people, different ways that they can kind of step into their greatness and what it’s like to be able to lead a business from this space and the authenticity the way that you do it. So thank you.

Dr Ben Chambers 1:00:23
Yeah, it’s been a pleasure. I really enjoyed it and Blessings to you.

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The Universe Conspires

Brandon Handley 0:00
What is going on. Here we go. What’s going on doing this one through otter AI just to see if it transcribes while I talk, and just wanted to see how that turned out so what are we doing here today. Welcome to the podcast so glad you could join us here on spiritual dope. Today we’re gonna, I guess we’re just gonna try and go for a hit right you know spiritual get your head get those have kind of a spiritual uplifting as it were maybe it’s a download thing who knows how you’re gonna handle it but what I want to do today was say hey, it was decision time, right, you’ve done everything right. You play all the reindeer games. You went to the right schools. You listened to and followed all the rules that you still can’t seem to break through right you’re in the same place working your ass off for 40 to 60 hours a week, maybe you’ve been doing it for the past 1520 years. You work harder. Okay, sure, you were told to work harder you work smarter, okay I’m not really sure what smarter looks like but you’re still working. 40 to 60 hours a week and if you’re still working 40 to 60 hours a week. You’re still pretty much to me. Just working harder. Right. And then you’re like shit I’m still in the same place with the same people, somehow, even my problems are all the same, right. Well, here’s what I learned while I was reading the book, are you ready to succeed. I’ve read it several times, I recommend it to everybody I speak to. And one of the first things that, st, st Kumar hits on his mental

Unknown Speaker 1:52
models. Right.

Brandon Handley 1:55
We talked kind of like about your mental models that you had created for your entire life. You just, that’s how you end up with the same problems right the same way of thinking that got you here isn’t going to be the same type of thinking that gets you there, right, some of the some of the mental models I had were were stuff like. Be a man and you know take take it all and be a superhero and put it all on your own shoulders you never need hope suck it up right suck it up Buttercup, that kind of thing. And you know even, even as I was older, you know, working in some pretty, pretty cool awesome jobs actually surrounded by super smart people and this is I mean look you hear coming out my voice still like well I was like what was I doing surrounded by all these super smart people, you know, people with MBAs and great education is I was always terrified and stuff that they would figure. I said, What if they find out that I’m a high school dropout well they even listen to me then. And, you know, so how is this model serving me How is this way of thinking, serving me, how is this beneficial. Right. Does it feel like that for you. Sometimes I gotta ask, you know, does it feel like, you know, the models that you’ve been using for yourself. Have you standing in the same place using the hamster wheel stuck in the mud. You know, up against the same wall, day after day after day and nothing ever changes right. So, in this books. sukumar brings up the idea that he was taught by his own Indian mother, that this is a benevolent universe. And this universe is looking out for, for you. Right. It was looking out for him. And he disregarded her for years he would make fun of her he’d say stuff like, Well, why doesn’t a melon just pop up here for me you know and appear from the universe it’s benevolent universe and, you know, I think any, any good parent does you, you don’t really charge your child you just you just realize when someone your child’s not ready to accept that yet right they’re not they’re not ready to regard that idea, as, as true you know eventually though he had a shift in his own mind. And when he did and he applied this model to model of the universe being benevolent his own world began to change. And it’s kind of like at this point where it’s very similar to Alcoholics Anonymous right he recognized that he had a problem. He recognized that he had a poor mental model that was not empowering him. Right. And then he went ahead and he accepted that there was a power greater than himself. That was the universe that not only could it help. But, it, it also wanted his greatness, to come through as well right it was it was vulnerable, it was on his side. It was on his side. And I read this book it took me so long to get around to even reading it, but when I, when I read this. I began to apply it to my own life and I did it very very kind of lightly. You know, just kind of like happenstance is listening because once this stuff gets into your head and you accept any of it. And you just apply it right it’s not just it’s not just sounds like you can’t not apply it. Once you’ve read it. Right, so it’s almost like you’ve got a new. I would say that the, your mind is like Google, and whenever you read a book, or listen to a story. It goes into the subconscious that somehow right it goes into the recesses of your mind and it’s always going to be available so this idea to be was available to me. It was new, and it was a, you know, I had a mental model that I was now rebuilding. I was building this new mental model. And it was pretty neat right because now I’m seeing the universe in an entirely different manner. As a matter of fact, it was like I had a brand new friend. Everything I did, it was no longer just me. Who’s mean to you hear my, my best friend, the universe. Right. And I’d be gone too, as Alan Watts suggested to trust

Unknown Speaker 6:31
the universe

Brandon Handley 6:32
as another. And what happens when you trust the universe is not only just another. But the idea that it’s a benevolent universe and that the universe wants these good things to happen for you.

Unknown Speaker 6:46
So I

Brandon Handley 6:48
opened it up to the very simple possibility that it may actually be true, you know, just a super, it’s a possibility. Right. And I was able to face the universe and honestly a whole new way.

Unknown Speaker 7:07
I felt

Brandon Handley 7:08
in some ways that if you know sometimes like things don’t work out and you’re going through this process your new mental model right and and how do you look at it so now instead of saying, oh man this is shitty that didn’t turn out for me and that guy was an asshole and man he just didn’t get where I was coming from man. You know what I mean like instead of putting it, kind of out there in that way. I would I would really kind of address it and not even like an odd, you know we talked about being positive on this and positive on that. Well, I began to address it in such a way that I was like well maybe the universe knows something in that scenario that maybe my life would have turned out like shit if I think this way, you know full full on out, and I’m able to dismiss it, or, or I can just simply say hey maybe this didn’t turn out for XYZ, and instead of getting bummed out about it, look at it as an opportunity to improve myself so that the next time that shows up, you know look go back, take notes reflect here’s what went wrong. Here’s what went right capture that. And, you know, give myself the opportunity to to redress it should that particular situation ever show up again.

Unknown Speaker 8:17
And sometimes, you know,

Brandon Handley 8:19
stuff on the surface didn’t seem awesome again. On the surface, they don’t seem awesome. But in my mind as they will say we know what that’s, I’m so glad that this happened. You know the example I’m thinking of right now was you know I’d lost an amazing job or on the surface again looked like a great job. It wasn’t a bad job. But when that job was no longer there. So many other possibilities became open to me that I hadn’t been pursuing

Unknown Speaker 8:56
because I had the job.

Brandon Handley 8:58
Right, I had this kind of invisible tangible stuck to my leg, keeping me with with it within like a six square foot radius of, of all the things. Is it a square foot when it’s a circle,

Unknown Speaker 9:11
I don’t know,

Brandon Handley 9:14
but I wasn’t I wasn’t aware of these opportunities. Because I because

Unknown Speaker 9:19
I was stuck in

Brandon Handley 9:21
this other mental model of doing these other things I’m doing this job and, you know, I wasn’t aware of these other opportunities because I was stuck. But by seeing the universe as another, I see the universe as being benevolent and on my side, I was able to free my mind up right from these constructs these constant constructs of a fear. Overall worry. And honestly, you know, for me, it’s been very liberating and freeing, and, you know, do I stop and say okay universe has dropped all the things in my hands no I still show up and I still go to work, but I’m able to approach it in a different manner, right I’m able to approach it with the universe, rather than me against the world or the universe against me. Now we’re kind of in tandem. Right. So, you know, it’s a model that I’m using. And the real challenge is for you to make a decision, a decision the current, you know, to, to, to continue with your current model. Right, or to begin to do in my mind, what you were personally born to do you were born

Unknown Speaker 10:42
to create.

Brandon Handley 10:45
And right now you have an opportunity to create a new model, one where you and the universe are in partnership. A partnership that has clear communication.

Unknown Speaker 10:59
Feel free to speak to the universe, let it know

Unknown Speaker 11:04
some of your wants some of your wishes.

Brandon Handley 11:07
Right. Let’s say stay up, have some fun with it to be light hearted about it, you know. And, and just say hey universe What’s up, this is what I’m looking for. These are a few of the things. And, and trust it right High Five the universe. Because here’s what’s gonna happen if you so choose to decide to go this route right and you begin to look for evidence that the universe is listening. And trust me when I tell you that. Once you begin to see the evidence that this model is working for you. The universe with you. It may not be possible for you to ever go back, right. I’ll post a link on the podcast, and at the website, spiritual dope co to the book if you’re interested,

Unknown Speaker 12:02
the

Brandon Handley 12:04
otter will be having the transcription to this too if you want to read through it. And my only real big ask on top of all this stuff so really the call to action is for you to create a new mental model for yourself. Okay. And try to put it into practice universe, God,

Mitch, whoever, you know, call call it what you want but understand. If you accept that there’s a power greater than you that is willing to work with you, then you begin to see this whole thing in a different way. So, try it out. If it doesn’t work for you, you know, if you don’t find evidence that the universe is listening then shut it down what’s it gonna cost you, right. You don’t have to tell anybody about it. All you got to do is have someone to thoughts and think and see and look and and you know it’s put a model into place. Worst case scenario. You’re still where you are today, tomorrow. Right. And so, look, if you like what you’re hearing. I’d love to hear from you. be sure to reach out, shoot me a message

Unknown Speaker 13:15
at Brandon at spiritual dope.co. Take it easy.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai


Can you awaken yourself while playing with a Ouija board?

Stranger things have happened!

Join me today as I explore the role that spirituality has played in the life of Mona Loring.

Founder of the following:

Mona founded MLC PR, a boutique public relations firm specializing in tailored publicity services. MLC PR maintains a  broad spectrum of clientele ranging from award-winning TV, film and  Broadway actors; musicians and record labels and more.

Mona launched Conscious Living simply due to my own personal passion for the mind, body and spirit connection. There was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press and manage the brands and individuals within them properly. 

In addition Mona has her own holistic life coaching practice integrated with shamanic healing.

Where to connect with Mona:

https://www.conscioushealingco.com/

https://www.instagram.com/healingbymona/

http://www.consciouslivingpr.com/

http://www.instagram.com/consciouslivingpr

Transcription by Otter.ai

  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:01Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:00:14Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:00:33The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:00:37I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:00:45And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:01:01Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:01:06As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:01:25Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:01:29And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:01:40And you always you always hear people say, well, you got to change the I got to to I get to but you gotta change. Yeah, go to school, I get to so
  • 00:01:49Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:01:52Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:02:01Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:02:08I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:02:25That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:02:30I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:02:39Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:02:43The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • 00:02:58That’s like the best time so I’m gonna go with that one.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:01Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:03:11Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:03:14I’ll celebrate those a spiritual high for sure. So here’s the premise. Right. The show’s premise podcast premise, whatever you want to call it.
  • 00:03:23Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:03:39And to be okay.
  • 00:03:40You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:03:53I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:03:58Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:16Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:04:26You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:04:34Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:04:44I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:04:57And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:05:02Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:05:13Keeping the job. And that’s how I actually started publicity. So it started from day one out of the norm. And when I track it back. I can literally just like look at the lines.
  • 00:05:24That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:05:32Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:05:36Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:05:46Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:05:49He felt like I was BS in him because he was like, how do you know the answer to how you would do this when you’re telling me honestly that you’ve only done PR for six months and you’re painting your publicist, but you’re and I’m like,
  • 00:06:02I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:06:16And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:06:27If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:06:31And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:06:38I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:06:47Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:07:00You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:07:08Letting go of these people that she’s worked on for so long and they’re finally at this level and
  • 00:07:12She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:07:15Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:07:18But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:07:30It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:07:39So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:07:48But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:07:55Am really great at doing the talent PR. It just, I get it, I can do it in my sleep. I know what people want. And I’ve learned over the years that being intuitive doesn’t hurt NPR, you know, you really can be one step ahead of things.
  • 00:08:08Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:08:23you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:08:39We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:08:42Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:08:51Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:07A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:10Right, like and and
  • 00:09:12Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:09:18You took a conscious living stand right you said and you let go of some people you broke out of a scarcity mindset, right.
  • 00:09:27Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:09:39Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:09:44Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:53That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:53Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:09:54Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:10:00Another yeah yeah
  • 00:10:02And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:10:10Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:10:18Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:10:21Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:10:26Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:10:36Don’t have that chemistry, you’re not right for each other. You’re not supposed to be on the past with each other, you know, and it goes into that other saying you’re either a blessing, our lesson.
  • 00:10:45And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:10:48Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:10:51And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:11:00All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:01Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:02Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:09not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:17But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:11:21I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:11:29I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:11:34They weren’t for me.
  • 00:11:35They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:11:37And letting that go
  • 00:11:39And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:11:48You know, you have got to let
  • 00:11:51Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:12:04X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:12:11So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:12:27And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:12:35But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:12:48Well, you know, a
  • 00:12:52The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:13:02everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:13:17It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:13:21I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:13:27So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:13:33What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:13:45It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:53So, it
  • 00:13:55Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:14:06I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:14:13Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:14:17What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:14:25And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:14:35What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:14:40Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:14:49I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:14:59And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:15:15I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:15:27That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:15:47And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:15:51But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:15:57And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:16:01You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:16:10You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:16:25It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:16:29I love it, I love it. Would you would you be able to say like any specific kind of like awakening moment, would you consider that the awakening moment or would you consider something else.
  • 00:16:42Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:16:50You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:17:03So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:17:22Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:17:40Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:17:41And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:17:47Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:17:54I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:18:02And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:18:11And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:18:25And
  • 00:18:27Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:18:28Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:36Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:18:43That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:18:51Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:03So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:06Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:19:16A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:19:29No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:42There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:43terrified about like
  • 00:19:45judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:19:47Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:19:55Awesome.
  • 00:19:57That’s great. Um,
  • 00:19:58But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:20:06I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:20:18And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:20:22You’re leaving some shadows and work that you really need to face behind to life is about balance, you know,
  • 00:20:28And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:20:37I was like, Are these ghosts. Are these, like, is this demons and I was thinking that that. And so I was just bringing over more darkness and it was freaking me out, you know,
  • 00:20:46So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:20:56And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:21:06You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:17Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • 00:21:21Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:24I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:21:36That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:21:39Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:21:55Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:21:59Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:04Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:22:21I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:22:29Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:35Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:22:36You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:22:48It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:22:56And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:22:59I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:17You know,
  • 00:23:18Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:20Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:06Hey,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:07Hey,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:08How are you
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:09I’m good, how are you
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:10I’m doing well well enough for
  • 00:00:13mid May covert mid May right
  • 00:00:17How you doing today.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:18Oh babe in May.
  • 00:00:21I’ve been just working slowly but surely today and all going well. So, can’t complain.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:28Nice.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:29I hear so many people that are just out of work. So it’s like to even have work to do. I’m like,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:34Right, right. Like, I mean, I can’t
  • 00:00:38I don’t know. I can’t imagine like trying to think about being out of work and trying to find work during all this stuff right
  • 00:00:47It was it was
  • user avatarMona Loring00:00:48Rough yeah
  • 00:00:49Yeah, nobody knows what they’re gonna do next. And I think that’s all part of this, though. We just have to lean into it.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:00:56And he’s got a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen. Right. I mean, a lot of cool stuffs gonna happen just a, you know, kind of, gotta just like you said, lean into it and
  • 00:01:05Do it right. Well, what else, what else, what else can you do right just
  • 00:01:09And look, there’s the there’s going to be moments of pain and whatever. But that’s all theoretical growth if that’s what you’re into.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:20A true
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:21Right, right. Well, so look I’m super excited. Do this. Thank you. Thanks for hopping on
  • 00:01:27You know, there’s so much we can chat about and and we will so
  • 00:01:35I’m gonna, you know, kind of do an intro on you and
  • 00:01:39I’m going to kind of bounce around your three or three different things, right.
  • 00:01:43There enough
  • 00:01:44Because I could forget something else in mind.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:01:46I’m gonna go with your flow. I’m good.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:01:50All right, well, you asked for.
  • 00:02:00Hey there. I’ve never done an intro for spiritual dope. But this is it. This is the intro for spiritual dope and today I have with me, Mona Loring who is a she’s a PR
  • 00:02:13Well, you’re a founder right you own the business right you on a couple of PR businesses MLC pr, which is a boutique public relations firm specializing and tailored publicity services and, you know, one of the lines in this as I was checking it out. I loved it was a you’re talking about
  • 00:02:32The is the line because I loved it.
  • 00:02:36I know there it was with ability vigor and charisma. I just loved how you run your business and I thought that was an I love that.
  • 00:02:44And you also have conscious living pr, which is due to your own personal passion for the mind, body, and spirit connection you felt like there was a hole in the market that was able to connect these areas with mainstream press to manage the brands and individuals.
  • 00:03:00Within them properly. Right. Let’s chat a little bit about that one, and then
  • 00:03:05As if you didn’t have anything else to do with being a mother, first and foremost on top of all this, right, you’ve got this demonic energy work which you’ve got over here on conscious healing co where you do life coaching spiritual coaching energy work and all the things you
  • 00:03:24Think why don’t you know somebody, somebody like where do you find the time
  • 00:03:28And I think, you know, at least it is for me when when some of these things, you’re so passionate about. That’s what lights you up. That’s what gives you the energy to do it, you’re like, Oh, I get to go do that.
  • 00:03:48Thanks for joining me today. This is like a power punch. What
  • 00:03:51Is something. What is something like we can celebrate for you. What’s a spiritual high. Let’s start off on a spiritual high. What’s this recently.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:04:00Spiritual high that I’ve had recently. That’s an interesting question. A spiritual I
  • 00:04:07I mean I feel like so many things are spiritual high I think anything going right as a spiritual. Hi, I’m the first thing that came to my mind. So I’m going to honor that was a client referring me to another client because they love what I’ve done for them.
  • 00:04:24That’s a spiritual high because it was for my my healing work. So it’s specifically that way to
  • 00:04:29I’m nothing feels better than someone thinking that you know you’ve helped them so much they want to have somebody else.
  • 00:04:38Be able to benefit from the work you do. Because, you know, again, we’ll get into, and I’m sure but
  • 00:04:42The reason I do the healing work is simply because I want to see other people heal because I know how rough life can be, you know, and so when someone saying, hey, can I give your information to a friend because you’ve helped me out so much like
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:05:00Yeah, no, I love that. Right. I mean, I think that kind of validates the work that you do too. Right. You’re like, you’re like, Oh my gosh, I really am helping people up to the point where like they’ve got to tell their friends about me. Right.
  • 00:05:10Yeah.
  • 00:05:22Is, you know, finding people such as yourself that have out within unlike this calling to do so much more and giving some disregard to the the norm normal constraints right of, hey, this is how you do it. These are aligned you stay within these lines.
  • 00:05:38And to be okay.
  • 00:05:39You’re going to make through you’re going to make it through the end of life. You may not like knock it out, but you’re going to get there, fairly safe now what you’ve done is you said you know what, that’s not how I feel. This is a feel right.
  • 00:05:52I feel like I got to do this thing that’s within me, and it is outside alarms.
  • 00:05:57Now, number one, let’s talk about like you’re you’re deciding to honor that. And I think, on top of that in the role that you’ve got right like you you manage high profile people right and and then you got to be like, but my heart says this, let’s talk about
  • user avatarMona Loring00:06:15Well, I, there were so many different things. You said that was spawning different thoughts in my mind. But I mean, let’s start with just the fact that you started saying
  • 00:06:25You know, following your heart and and working outside of the norm and not having to necessarily stay within coloring within the lines, you know,
  • 00:06:33Um, that’s been an interesting experience for me, quite honestly, if I if I really look back my whole career in PR, at least, because
  • 00:06:43I started out teaching myself publicity and that’s at least back then, it was really unheard of, usually you would go get a job at a big PR firm, you’d intern for a while, and you’d be an assistant for years and then you’d move up.
  • 00:06:56And with me, I realized now. It was my calling. Because I just
  • 00:07:01Fell into it. You know, I had someone who said, hey, is the work you’re doing PR because I really need a publicist, and I said, No, I’m actually a journalist. That’s the opposite of PR and she said, that’s all right. Don’t worry about it. You’re smart. You’ll figure it out and
  • 00:07:23That just like you follow the lines. And it’s like, dot, dot, dot, put it all together. And it’s been Spirit just guiding me. You know what I mean, like those I’m looking at those like number of
  • 00:07:31Things that turn into a picture after a while, but you have no idea where you’re going at the beginning. Feels like that.
  • 00:07:35Yeah. And so really from the start. I never followed any rules and I really did. Just follow my instinct. I remember really early on.
  • 00:07:45Meeting with this one client and
  • 00:08:01I go with my gut and he was like that just feels like BS. And I was like, that’s the furthest thing from me, you know. I just know what I should be doing for you, you know, um, I think that I’ve just always followed what feels good.
  • 00:08:15And if something felt really wrong. I looked at it, you know, was it my own fear was it wrong because it really isn’t right for me, whatever that may be. And
  • 00:08:26If I felt like it’s just really not right for me and I let it go.
  • 00:08:30And that’s kind of been the progression with my talent agency of just letting things go that we’re feeling forced or not right for me.
  • 00:08:37I don’t care how big of an A Lister you are. I don’t care what you’ve done. If you’re not a good person. If you don’t light me up if I don’t get excited working on you.
  • 00:08:46Know amount of money, no amount of cloud means anything to me, and people are starting to become more and more like that. I definitely have colleagues that think like that, that I was in my world. I felt like I was the only one at the beginning when
  • 00:08:59You know, I shifted everything over. And I started conscious living and I caught my talentless down and people thought it was nuts. They were like, okay, the scrolls cracking up she’s
  • 00:09:11She’s starting some hippy dippy PR
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:09:14Firm, you know peace man hope everyone
  • user avatarMona Loring00:09:17But it’s what I knew would light me up. I did feel like I had a hole in my heart. I felt like, you know, I’m doing all of this work right now and I didn’t feel
  • 00:09:29It’s weird because I didn’t feel appreciated. But it wasn’t appreciation. I was looking for. It was like that fulfillment. I didn’t feel fulfilled right and
  • 00:09:38So when I started conscious living it definitely had a hiccups. It wasn’t just like smooth sailing took a while to really get that running
  • 00:09:47But at the end of the day, it just feels so right that I have both because I feel like I
  • 00:10:07Um, but it’s I just feel like anytime you feel like you need to stay within the confines of what you’re expected to do. I’m trying to go back to your, to your original question, you know.
  • 00:10:22you limit yourself and I just feel like this week. I feel like we’ve had this conversation before were truly humans are pretty unlimited, you know, at the end of the day, like we really don’t have any limits, other than what we set ourselves energy is limitless, you know,
  • 00:10:38We’re all energy then we’re technically. All right.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:10:41Yeah yeah yeah like I mean when you when you kind of when you when you boil it down even even like your whole body is
  • 00:10:50Some type of energy, right, like, and so the end of the day, like when you when you like I’ll catch myself. Anyways, I say this myself like well I feel a little tired feel around. I’m like, wait a second. I am literally energy and I just like I boost myself right
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:06A really good way to tell myself that makes me feel
  • 00:11:11Yeah, truly limitless. But, I mean, I think I, I love, I love how you kind of view.
  • 00:11:26Was that an intentional thought then or is that something where you look back now. We’re like, you know what, and I also think about this other one from Jim Rome, like you focused on the few that were meaningful right and they
  • 00:11:38Are the ones that kind of lowers the most they’re the ones that fulfilled you they’re the ones that
  • 00:11:43Were honor your time and appreciate your time and, you know, kind of like a pretty flower garden or something, man. You know what I mean, just like that.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:52That’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:11:52Kind of how it worked out.
  • 00:11:53Right, yeah, once you let go over, like all the shade throwers
  • user avatarMona Loring00:11:59Another yeah yeah
  • 00:12:01And you know, I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna. I don’t want to. What’s the I don’t WANT to hate on I hate. I don’t like that term, but I’m gonna use it again think of something else right now.
  • 00:12:09Right. But I don’t WANT to hate on anybody that I had let go. In the past, but I would. It would be so sad for them to look back on this and feel rejected by me or
  • 00:12:17Feel like I’m more than I think I’m better than them or anything.
  • 00:12:20Sometimes it’s not even that you’re bad people. I saw this post the other day and it was so true.
  • 00:12:25Sometimes it’s not that you know the relationship you broke up with that person’s a bad person, or, you know, if you let go of an employee that they’re a bad employee. Sometimes you just
  • 00:12:44And if you either. Wait. First of all, something turns out
  • 00:12:47Back. It could be a blessing or less than either way. Right.
  • 00:12:50And it doesn’t mean that these people that I have let go, you know, when I’m hearing this, in my mind, I’m like, no, it’s not that they were all. Some of them are
  • 00:12:59All bad right it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:00Should
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:01Feel right they were the ones where I was like, you know, I feel like you have somebody else that needs to be in charge of your PR career. It’s
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:13:08not you, it’s me. Yeah, there’s a reason why it’s the same people who are totally nervous about confronting people
  • user avatarMona Loring00:13:16But that’s not me know genuinely though. You know what I mean, like,
  • 00:13:20I look back and I there’s people that I let go of or you know that I’ve been let go from that.
  • 00:13:28I root for them still to this day I’m fans of theirs. They’re wonderful people they’re brilliant actors, but
  • 00:13:34They’re not supposed to be on my path, you know,
  • 00:13:36And letting that go
  • 00:13:38And having that open up the space that’s something I try to teach my clients and my energy clients. I’ll specify which
  • 00:13:47You know, you have got to let
  • 00:13:50Negativity and energy that’s draining you that’s not positive in your system. Go and allow room for more so, so many people are like, why can I manifest this, why can I have this. I’ve been working so far for
  • 00:14:03X y AMP z and I can’t get it and it’s like, well, what do you, what do you need to let go of first room here.
  • 00:14:10So you know if its energy than things fill up right and I seen on people’s energy bodies and a lot of times when people are looking to manifest. I will see places where they need to let go of something and certain chakra, for example.
  • 00:14:26And we let that go and put light in. And that light can then be the energy to magnetically pull. What you want to you.
  • 00:14:34But if you’re if you’re holding in that that dark that you think that it would magnetically pull anything you know if anything is going to pull you think opposites attract, it doesn’t work that way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:14:47Well, you know, a
  • 00:14:51The whole letting go thing, right, because people are afraid to let go of of this in so many different like the energy they built up everything.
  • 00:15:01everything they’ve done to get to this point to Scott them so tense. They want to hold on to that, like, Oh, I gotta keep all of this, whereas like Manny. I’m going to just need to let go. Some of this shit and once like it’s like breathing out right like when you take a deep breath.
  • 00:15:16It’s actually when you breathe out that you actually feel better, not everything you take in. It’s like
  • 00:15:20I’m like over like super tense and we let it out like wow I just relax when I let it out.
  • 00:15:26So, so I mean I liken it to that. Right. So you’re just saying
  • 00:15:32What so. All right, so you you jump over into, like, you know, this conscious living aspect and you know was there fear in doing that or did you do it gradually
  • 00:15:44It was a. Was it a full immersion and talk to us a little bit about like kind of transitioning or adding it into your life and what that was like.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:15:52So, it
  • 00:15:54Very few things in my life were a slow transition. It’s just not how I work. I’m can’t say that that’s necessarily right for everybody, but it’s just how I am so
  • 00:16:05I had, in a way, felt it coming in, you know, over the past six months before I started conscious living that
  • 00:16:12Something was missing. I didn’t feel fulfilled, of course, those feelings were there, but I didn’t know
  • 00:16:16What I needed to do from that because I knew at the end of the day, I still love talent PR, but I don’t always love it. What’s going on, and it was just that I needed another element right
  • 00:16:24And so when I decided to do it. I was just literally it was Labor Day weekend and I was meditating on a beach on the Central Coast and I was just like,
  • 00:16:34What do I need to know what do I need to do. Why do I feel like this. Why do I feel lost
  • 00:16:39Everything like, you know, they always say, you know, if you if you just look back at what you had always wanted. And you realize that you have it now, you would have been so happy, you know, and
  • 00:16:48I realized that I was like, I literally have the clients of my dreams I have money I have employees. I have, you know, I want for nothing. Technically, but that’s material. Sure.
  • 00:16:58And what does that really right. So I got the download like started another company don’t have to let anything go, you just want more start a company and I didn’t get the name, but it was along the lines of, I knew it was like conscious or something about life and
  • 00:17:14I knew that I needed to start something with mind body spirit work. I knew I wanted to be involved with people who had that same mindset. And I also knew that there was a shift happening.
  • 00:17:26That would create a space where those people needed to be promoted, you know, so when I decided to do it. I kid you not, I built that website all on my home one weekend and I hired an employee to come work with me. Within a week and we have clients within I’m gonna say two weeks.
  • 00:17:46And like I said it wasn’t completely smooth sailing. If you know things happen.
  • 00:17:50But I got it up pretty quickly. So it was definitely not really a transition period.
  • 00:17:56And I you know I wrote an email to all my existing clients and
  • 00:18:00You know, I just, I thank them for being amazing I told them, you might start hearing things about me because I’m dropping other clients. And people might think I’ve cracked up but
  • 00:18:09You know, I’m still me. I’m still who I am. If anything, I’m just, I feel like I understand things more clear. And I’m more clarity and of course the right people I embrace it with open arms and they were gracious and said, you know, thanks for believing in me back and
  • 00:18:24It was awesome. So I just felt completely right, as it all developed
  • 00:18:41Kind of an epiphany moment where you said, Hey, I’m tapped into spirituality like super strong.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:18:49You know, I wondered about awakening moments because I see other people’s mine was really hardcore and out of nowhere and at a pretty young age.
  • 00:19:02So it’s hard to compare it to other things later in life that have sort of reawakens me. But if I had to kind of track my costs, it would be. I always laugh because I can’t believe this is what did it, but it was literally a leaderboard. I’m like,
  • 00:19:21Oh my god, really. But, um, I got the leaderboard, I think it was for my 13th birthday. It was like eighth grade or something and played it with some friends, you know, and you start to think like, oh, just pushing it. Laughing You know which boy like to. And, you know, all those things.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:19:39Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:19:40And then it started to I would have the board away and I haven’t tucked away and then I started to
  • 00:19:46Hear things and feel things and and that was like it hit me like a ton of bricks. It was very strange and
  • 00:19:53I realized that I could see energy and I was aware of things. And I could feel I’m very attuned to vibration
  • 00:20:01And so I could feel the energy of like a bed or a table and kind of buzzing, and it was very strange and it scared me a lot.
  • 00:20:10And you know, when you’re a kid, especially when you haven’t been educated and there’s nothing online. There’s no such thing as the Internet really at that age. I don’t think it was around even maybe just a while was just starting
  • 00:20:24And
  • 00:20:26Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:20:27Yeah, I didn’t know how to look into any of it. You got mail. I didn’t want to look into any of it. And so I just
  • user avatarMona Loring00:20:35Looking back, it’s kind of cool because I had to just experience everything on my own and everything that Spirit told me
  • 00:20:42That I had told my friends, I have some friends that knew me then that still know me now. And they’re like, How did you know that. How did you know it’s trippy stuff.
  • 00:20:50Um, but of course I do wish at times like I could go to my mom, who was really spiritual or something. And she’d be like, he’s like, my son, he’s very spiritual and I’ll ask me things. And I’m like, Oh, I got you. This is why or whatever, you know,
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:02So, your mom is pretty spiritual into that space as well.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:05Mom is is very spiritual, but she was not she was a little bit more, a little bit more religious and spiritual. She had a Muslim faith and now she’s
  • 00:21:15A lot more spiritual and not really religious but no she she would tell me things like, I see God is a light and it’s not a person and like she would give me, things like that. Um, but
  • 00:21:28No, I had no idea this was going on. I actually came up to my parents late about how my spiritual work you know came around, like I just told them this past year I had friends that you, you know, definitely.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:21:41There’s like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:21:42terrified about like
  • 00:21:44judging me and wondering like,
  • 00:21:46Sure. My daughter is crazy, but the but it was hilarious. When I finally told them, they’re like, read me it was like hilarious. It was
  • 00:21:54Awesome.
  • 00:21:56That’s great. Um,
  • 00:21:57But the problem I had during my spiritual awakening was that
  • 00:22:05I didn’t know the difference between dark and light. And I didn’t. I also didn’t know what I know now, have you need dark for life and it’s all about the balance and that’s okay.
  • 00:22:17And it’s not only if you’re only going to light and you only deal with the light
  • 00:22:27And so when I was younger. It scared me because all I knew were things that you hear in books or see in movies, right, and you
  • 00:22:45So I put it aside after high school because it was really so consuming. You know, I remember look back and I will remember being in like Spanish class.
  • 00:22:55And automatic writing you know just literally just having spirit go through me and just automatic writing. I can’t remember. I wish I’d kept those things.
  • 00:23:05You know, just writing what Spirit wants me to know and telling me things about my friends and their souls and their soul growth and it was very big on souls and soul growth and
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:23:16Do you feel like you’d be able to tap into that like anytime now.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:23:23I, for some reason, and of course it’s come up with a lot of the medium ship work I’ve done and then the courses. I’ve taken and I’m you know I have friends. You and I have one in common.
  • 00:23:35That can let spirit kind of
  • 00:23:38Come really close or within and kind of speaker, but I think because of the past that I had and the lack of control and when I know now that this is all energy and it’s all about control and I just want a positive light. And I want it the way I want, I don’t want to go there.
  • 00:23:54Um, but I know for a fact that I could
  • 00:23:58Probably channel things pretty easily. I just, it’s not what I’m doing what I do.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:03Sure. No, I get it. I always I like and I like in this kind of what you’re talking about there. The energy kind of flowing through you uncontrolled on unbidden, as it were, right, because you don’t, you’re not you’re not kind of expecting it. But then it shows up the way that it did for you.
  • 00:24:20I liken it to like anime right like because there’s always some like crazy guy that’s got like all this energy coming through his eyes like
  • 00:24:28Blowing everything up and it’s not until he finds this mastery find somebody you can talk to is like hey, you gotta figure
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:34Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:24:35You gotta figure this out. And then it becomes like this ultra powerful dude that’s got like a few special power moves right like your intuition and like you know like your sham and and like some of this other stuff.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:24:47It’s I’m laughing as you say that because I was just telling my son, he was begging me to play the new Star Wars game with them.
  • 00:24:55And he’s like, Mom, I just think you like it. They speak your language and
  • 00:24:58I have to meditate and recharge and and I as I started playing it with him and I started to see Star Wars in a different light which I’ve seen it this way, way sooner but it’s it’s so amazing to me how Sci Fi is based on so much truth and based on how things really work.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:16You know,
  • 00:25:17Behind the Star Wars. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:19Which
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:19Were you Joseph Campbell, right, like the whole his
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:23So just, okay, yes, yes, yes, yes.
  • 00:25:25But I look
  • 00:25:26What was he did he, what do you mean, kind of, in what way.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:29Well, so
  • 00:25:31There is no George Lucas based pretty much the whole premise.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:34I was wondering if somehow either involvement. Okay.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:37Yeah, so I know that for a very long time, actually the hero’s journey like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:25:42I know
  • 00:25:43Now the the connection to Star Wars and not until I don’t even know last year. Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:25:49Well, so, so I you know probably vaguely heard about it not heard about like the hero’s journey, a couple of times. And it wasn’t until I watched that, you know, PBS special that they have on Netflix with with him and like
  • 00:26:02He’s so awesome. I’m like, like, you know, there’s so many great people that hit dead. I’m like, so pissed. Like, you know,
  • 00:26:09Going back like Wayne Dyer Alan Watts and and like you know just so can we like what
  • 00:26:15You guys could you couldn’t wait like 10 more minutes.
  • 00:26:18Right. You know what I mean. Um, but yeah. So yeah, it’s, it’s
  • 00:26:21When you can see it through the lens that you’re talking about, you’re seeing it to like this other lens and
  • 00:26:27It’s very, it’s very much that cliche. Well, when you know when the student is ready, the master will appear.
  • 00:26:33Like you’re like, yo,
  • 00:26:35Yo, you were so on top of things.
  • 00:26:40That’s great. Um, yeah. So I wanted to want to ask you just kind of like, so I got this this weird book.
  • 00:26:47It’s called weird because I’d never heard of it before and then I picked it up and it’s like, is this really based off of like orthodox like Christianity and this guy also Carl, whereas the Carl call free graph Durkheim, he spent some time spent about 10 years with
  • 00:27:03Zen Buddhist in Japan, like like 30s and 40s, RIGHT. SO HE WAS KIND OF
  • 00:27:08Hanging he was probably hanging out with watts. I’m guessing at some point. Right. But there’s a couple of lines in here that, like, you know, really, really struck me and I’m just gonna, I’m just curious if they kind of resonate with you. Right.
  • 00:27:19We talked about the limitations. Right. The once you realize there’s no limitations or you’re limitless as a human being. Right. I mean, so before him now are open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries. Right. Like, I mean,
  • 00:27:32How does somebody know this stuff right like
  • 00:27:36Before him now are now open stages of maturity on a path with no boundaries, right, like, and that talks limitless.
  • 00:27:44Right. Um, let’s find the other one because. So, this you know you talk about, like, you know, kind of getting wrapped up and it was all too much like at a certain point and this is the, the whole thing my awakening.
  • 00:27:58Aspect didn’t happen prior to like about three or four years ago right and
  • 00:28:03You know, it was like a punch in the gut. And I was like, What is going on now. I had the benefit of having a hippie mom, I was born in San Francisco. Like I had like all the like I was like oh shit this is everything that I’d heard about then laugh that
  • 00:28:18Right.
  • 00:28:20But, you know, so, but this is this is the line right life no longer turns around, man. But around divine being and its manifestation. Right. Like, I mean, so that’s
  • 00:28:29Right, like where you realize there’s there’s a something’s missing. It’s like the divine aspect and like once you know that kind of did you get right i mean you’re wrapped up around it. Now, right, like that’s what gives you life my inner out. What do you think
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:45In what way, what do I think about which far
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:47I mean, you know, so I mean you’re no longer kind of wrapped around like the the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:28:51Attachments and man.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:28:53Just demand stuff right like it’s like it’s like really what’s driving life is like the divine light in you or you know something along those lines, right, like that’s the greater driving force.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:05I mean my again my head goes in so many directions with that, um,
  • 00:29:11YOU KNOW, IT’S FOR ME. IT THE POWERFUL PART OF THAT was the manifestation hub and you know I’m going so many places because of what I just recently read to
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:29:23What do you recently read
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:24Well, I was reading about a little bit more about the fifth dimension.
  • 00:29:29And I was reading about parallel lives.
  • 00:29:31Hmm. And so I’m like, I’m like, you’re like oh no you’re taking me somewhere else, right now, but
  • 00:29:35To do it.
  • 00:29:36Um,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:29:38It just made me think of how you know we we think for so much of our lives, because we’re conditioned. We think that what we are is just what our body is right, and the man, the
  • 00:29:49See, and what we actually see
  • 00:29:51Which is so funny to me because when you stop and think about it so much of what we don’t see we take as reality, too. But then when spirit comes into it for like
  • 00:30:01You know,
  • 00:30:03And I just recently did read about how people don’t question dreams.
  • 00:30:08And then dreams are real and you have a dream, but yet, how does that, how do you know it’s real, it’s the same thing as someone just telling you that they have
  • 00:30:16But yeah everybody accepts that right. Um, so this was just leading me down the rabbit hole of thought of, you know, Parallel Lives and just how
  • 00:30:29It’s not the body, it’s, it’s this the soul, and how many lives each soul has and spawns and there’s so many different than
  • 00:30:37The old different markets, but, um, you know, also, I’m thinking about how
  • 00:30:45Oh, man. It’s so funny when you get me started. It’s hilarious. I’m like, I need to. I need to really think about where I want to go and what I want to tell you because I wanted to so many different things, but you know just what you think becomes right
  • 00:30:58And so I think this is another part and what that quote was saying is, you know,
  • 00:31:04You manifest what your life is. I mean, I tell my clients all the time what you think you become and earlier you had kind of said something along the lines of
  • 00:31:14Something about scarcity with my business. And, you know, was I afraid and, you know, for some reason, one of the most I’m so grateful for this gift and personality trait, but I’ve never been afraid of luck.
  • 00:31:26I’ve never been afraid of scarcity. I’ve always just been like, well, if I think I can do it. I can do it.
  • 00:31:32That’s nice. And it is nice and I’m very grateful for that. Because I know that it’s difficult. If you can’t, and there’s been times where that stumped me more recently than not, which has been really interesting, but I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:44Gonna be a curious.
  • 00:31:45Point to when when you when you’re stumped. You like well, like you said that that doesn’t make any sense. This isn’t, this isn’t so there’s something in that right like what what is there, like, you know,
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:57locking it
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:57Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:31:59You know, so
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:31:59I mean, so, as you know, I think that’s an interesting question two is like as a as a sham. And as a light worker somebody that’s intuitive medium, who do you go to when you need up
  • user avatarMona Loring00:32:13Man, I have some amazing people that I guess you know
  • 00:32:15And I want to, I want to correct one thing I don’t call myself a Sean I’m I’m semantically trained. I feel like the identity of a shaman is something different. And you know, it’s, I believe in certain ways, it’s indigenous and I
  • 00:32:33Don’t want to take that on for myself.
  • 00:32:36Here also, because
  • 00:32:37With the training that I’ve had. I have kind of turned it into my own thing.
  • 00:32:42And through these beautiful you know I’m Nancy right now. Who do I go to
  • 00:32:46Their my teachers and who I go to they’ve taught me so many different pieces of what spirit is because there’s no one right way to work with spirit, there’s no one right way to work with energy, you know,
  • 00:32:58It’s literally like going into get a massage and you’re like, You want sweetest we’re trying to monetize this is all
  • 00:33:03Right. But there’s different ways that people do it. And it’s the same thing with spirit. I’m, I’m going to give a major shout out to one of my mentors and friends, Andre
  • 00:33:12Um, you can find them that fine Andre on Instagram and He’s incredible and he’s all about energy frequency healing and it’s been interesting with him, be one of my teachers because he’s, he’s like a Mr. Miyagi in the sense of how he did not answer.
  • 00:33:32I want to see me. I want to make sure and accurate and saying any any of my questions. Never. I would ask the question, what do you think
  • 00:33:41Oh, gosh. To me in six months. It was so frustrating.
  • 00:33:45Um, and I get it now. And I get his. It’s his way of working with people. And I just, I feel I always think, like, Man, if I did that to people they like, get out of here. I’m never going to talk to you again. But he’s
  • 00:33:55He’s so good at it and you know he’s so incredible with what he does with energy, um, he can do some incredible healing for people with just a very light touch. I mean, you can’t walk straight just barely touching and there are, it’s incredible look him up.
  • 00:34:11You know, I listened to it. I thought I checked out your podcast with them you know that you to talk
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:16Is really nice and you know it was nice because you can tell you guys had, you know, a nice bond, a nice connection.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:34:22Right, yeah. He’s, he’s like a big brother is really amazing person. And he has really given me the the confidence to go into healing. When I was like, you know, limiting myself a publicist supposed to do, why would I do healing to and people will take me seriously as a publicist it
  • 00:34:42Took me
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:34:43Like how does it
  • 00:34:44wasn’t him, it was, it was a hit me so you know cuz. Look, I remember. Um, when I when I was first my first kind of foray into the space, right.
  • 00:34:52Very similar feelings. Right.
  • 00:34:54Moms with coaching father’s right and I was like, who why what gives me the audacity right
  • 00:35:00Why to say like, you know, I should be a coach day right
  • 00:35:03Right, good coach, whatever.
  • 00:35:06As you can tell, awesome at it, um,
  • 00:35:11But it was like and and the coach that has like will you do, you know, just, you’ve got to give yourself the permission to be great. You know who else is going to do it for you. If you’re not
  • 00:35:20Yeah, you’re if you’re expecting somebody else to give you permission to be great. Like, you’re always going to be waiting
  • 00:35:26Yeah.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:29That’s exactly it. And I don’t want to interrupt you. What, what was
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:35:32So, I mean, how, how did you blow past it. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:35:36Yeah and you know
  • 00:35:40I initially started doing this. I mean, first of all, I’ve been doing it again since I was 13 on and off with friends.
  • 00:35:47Um, you know, there were times where I i’ve always been studying. I’ve always been exploring it, but when I took the dive into actually doing it as a profession I was only last year.
  • 00:35:58And it was after working with friends, you know, on the DL working with family and just being like okay, can you just like
  • 00:36:06One more time, just make sure you tell me I’m not bullshit. You know, am I, can I really do this and I just really like predict this because I don’t want to tell somebody on the psychic if I’m just
  • 00:36:14You know, like you, if the self doubt is so real. And for me, there was so much self doubt at the beginning because I take it so seriously, I take what people
  • 00:36:24Believe in the spirit world so seriously and I never ever want to mix myself up or seem like I’m a charlatan and
  • 00:36:32When anybody who’s like that because people are always after money for the quick buck saying something about energy. Your Spirit and God I run into them all the time. And that was where I just needed to make sure that I was legit.
  • 00:36:44And I realized the best way to be legit is to be pure of heart.
  • 00:36:48You know, like if you just genuinely care for that person’s well be right.
  • 00:36:53Here it will not let you steer you the wrong way. I mean, there’s been days where I spirit was like let me take the wheel and literally like, I’m just holding that space. And I’m like, watching one of my spirit guides work on this person. It’s incredible.
  • 00:37:07Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:08You know, reminds me of, well, first of all, know you and I talked before before today a little bit. And we talked about stepping into the space and how it just kind of opens up for you once you
  • 00:37:20open yourself up to it, right, kind of thing. I know that sounds like you know some other mythical line.
  • 00:37:27But
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:37:28I was reading the you know the Michael singer.
  • 00:37:32Surrender experiment right where he talks about, you know,
  • 00:37:37Maybe he recognized when he let go, that
  • 00:37:41Like Mother Nature whatever was going to give them so much more than he’d ever dreamed possible by by kind of settings, his own standards, right. Have you found that kind of yourself to be something true
  • user avatarMona Loring00:37:54Absolutely. And I think the most common theme for me is just trust the universe and spirit and
  • 00:38:02That’s within my own life and what I’m doing. And let me tell you all day long. We can have a whole podcast episode about how I’ve been doing it with Ovid, right. Um, but yeah i just i think that
  • 00:38:15You really do need to. I think that’s why people say surrender to spirit surrender to God or whatever. And it sounds so intense, and it sounds so scary. And it’s like, Okay, are you joining a call. Like, what does this mean right
  • 00:38:26Right, it’s different. It’s not surrendering and letting something lead you. You still have free will. You can think for yourself doesn’t feel right. Don’t do it, but it’s just that trust. I think it just means trust, you know, and
  • 00:38:40I think that just for me. I have to just sometimes I’m
  • 00:38:47Being a publicist and being a healer is really weird because you have to completely
  • 00:38:52Different personalities. You know, when I’m in PR and I mean obviously I’m not one of those really gentle ethical fairy areas healers and you can tell like I’m a little bit more on the
  • 00:39:02Side. So at least the public is still there. And that way, but I mean my voice changes when I’m going to healing.
  • 00:39:08session with people. I’m softer I’m slower.
  • 00:39:12And as a publicist you’re intense and it’s cocoa and how you get it done and you know
  • 00:39:16And so when I switched to being a healer, I have to just surrender to spirit. Just what do you need me to do. What are you showing me
  • 00:39:24You know, where do I see this energy that’s hurting someone were to what, like, what is it, just show me.
  • 00:39:29I’m not doing any of them myself. First of all, so if you want to heal yourself or be a healer or get into anything that’s spiritual. You have to trust spirit because
  • 00:39:39If you’re going to be one of those people, which I have them in my family and they’ve come a long way because of, you know, seeing me. And luckily, trusting to work with spirit more but you know if you’re if you’re gonna sit here with your arms crossed, like, oh, show me.
  • 00:39:53Show me. Yeah, you’re not going to see anything.
  • 00:39:55We’re really are. And then when you let go and you trust, and this is why it’s great for some people. I’m not advocating for everyone but plant medicine is really great for some people, because
  • 00:40:05It takes away all those inhibitions and you’re not sitting there in your thought brain and you’re you’re stuck in your ego mind and, you know, thinking, well, logically, this and that, you know, you’re just letting go and you’re feeling and you’re seeing
  • 00:40:17And if you do that, you do not need plant medicine for any of that. But if you do that spirit will show you, you know, but you have to first take the first step forward and trust.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:28You gotta be, you know, what’s the awful of all the lines, right, you know, open, open, open everything and attached to nothing. Right.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:40:36Yes.
  • 00:40:37All right. Ah.
  • 00:40:39And
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:40:40You know,
  • 00:40:41We also talked a little bit about like now. So it opens up for you. Once you accept it. But, you know, then you got the people that are trying to manifest
  • 00:40:49With with such great intensity like you were talking about earlier to when somebody like
  • 00:40:54I just keep trying and some people that can’t let go, but it’s also when they’re trying so hard to force it. They’re trying to force it themselves. They’re trying to use their own personal energy right and versus, you know,
  • 00:41:06Alan Watts on you know Trust the universe is another right you know just trust the universe is another and and or, you know, the whole let go and let God
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:17Yeah.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:18Yeah, you know, you know, you’re like, you’re like, Did that really just come out of your mouth and yeah just came out of my mouth like, let go, let God, why would you say it because it works.
  • 00:41:27Yeah, um, and with lol thing, right.
  • 00:41:31A LAW of ATTRACTION bit right
  • 00:41:35Look for evidence of it like you were talking about before, right, you got somebody like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:40Not yeah
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:41:41Not on my watch.
  • 00:41:42Right, so you know like you talk a little bit about looking for evidence of it, right, like if you’re if you’re trying to be in that space. Tell us a little bit about that. What’s that look like
  • user avatarMona Loring00:41:54So this is so funny. Everything asked me, am I, man. I need a whole podcast episode or just this. But all right, bite size pieces so I love
  • 00:42:05Law of Attraction and manifestation. And I think that’s truly why a anything exists and I’m for better for worse, why good exists and why that exists, you know, and I think that
  • 00:42:22What people don’t realize is, they only do a few steps of like the whole list of what you need to do to manifest
  • 00:42:29Um, and it’s it’s hard. I mean, I’m sitting here preaching to the choir and I’ll tell clients, what they need to do.
  • 00:42:35But there’s times where I’m lying and I’m lost in my own self limiting beliefs. Again, or my energy in a certain way and I’m locking myself from manifesting too.
  • 00:42:44Because we’re human, and we get in our own way. That is the number one thing humans do best, get in their own way, but
  • 00:42:50I think that really what’s so important is just being in that vibration
  • 00:42:55And you know, I even with my psychic work. You know, it’s all about kind of the tuning to that radio station is how I explain it, you know, and just getting into this vibration
  • 00:43:04And Law of Attraction is one of the easier vibrations to be in. Because at the end of the day, if you are in gratitude and if you are in love.
  • 00:43:13There’s no wrong way. If you are as as often as you can. And it’s kind of the tipping scale.
  • 00:43:19Where it’s like if you’re more love than anything else, you’re still going to tip it over and it’s going to help you out and you’re going to be on that vibration. So you don’t even have to be perfect. That’s why it’s so easy. You know, I’m
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:43:30Lucky. Yes.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:43:32It’s for me. One thing I do to just stay in it as often as I can.
  • 00:43:37Obviously, it helps. Now that I’m doing so much more healing work because that’s keeping my vibration up and just helping people in the love I feel for people and
  • 00:43:45You know, meditation and all of that. But that aside. Let’s say I wasn’t doing that for me before I really got into a day to day
  • 00:43:52I would go on Instagram and just follow really high vibe people and highlight things and follow you know places. I want to go on vacation that I love and follow you know just nature pictures and that all increases your vibration listening to music that you love.
  • 00:44:11You know outside. It sounds like you’re focusing on things that you wanted in your life.
  • 00:44:17Things that you, this is the thing. So with I think the first step is just things that you like that make you feel good.
  • 00:44:24That’s the very first step of just
  • 00:44:26Getting to a better place because some people, they’re going to you know there’s practice alleyway. And they’re in a dark place. And they’re like, well, how do I attract this when I’m just so far from the bowl.
  • 00:44:37So that’s kind of what I’m getting into it sort of like that first step of what you need to do to just almost effortlessly raise your vibration
  • 00:44:45Then of course there’s the other list of things that you need to do, which is like very specifically, think about what you want, but it’s tricky because while you can’t be too specific, because if you’re too specific. You’re limiting what
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:44:57Right. Well, I mean that’s that’s a kind of speaking in generalities. Right. This also goes back to
  • 00:45:03You know too much focus on your own intention and trying to do it yourself. Because if you’re because in that aspect. Then you’re limited to what you think is possible versus what is truly possible
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:15Yeah, well,
  • 00:45:17Exactly.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:45:19So much fun.
  • 00:45:21I’m so you know spiritual dope spiritual dope. I like the idea of, you know, just kind of
  • 00:45:31When you feel
  • 00:45:33Connected to like demanding and getting that high. Right. That’s, that’s, again, the premise of kind of spiritual dope. Right.
  • 00:45:41Let’s talk about another spiritual dope experience, like, you know, what do you do to get your daily does your daily hit your gratitude practice your meditation.
  • 00:45:52Senior kid thrive right you have, how many children, one or two.
  • 00:45:55You too. How old are the
  • user avatarMona Loring00:45:5815 and 11 boy and a girl.
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:46:00Oh man 1511 Nice, nice. And so seeing them thrive and like getting to be their mom, you know, I think that that’s also
  • 00:46:09That’s another one of those lines to, like, you know, was it. Children are a blessing you
  • 00:46:15Know you’re like wow what a blessing. They are right. You know, I don’t know. Give me something that when I haven’t hit on that you would consider like a spiritual high spiritual head spiritual. Nope. Hit me with it.
  • user avatarMona Loring00:46:30I’m
  • 00:46:33Hmm. I mean, there’s so many things. It’s like
  • 00:46:38Such an interesting question is easy. It’s so easy, but then it’s complicated.
  • 00:46:43Like anything, anything that makes you really happy a spiritual dough like
  • 00:46:49You know what I mean.
  • 00:46:51Um, so then I’m like, Okay, well, let me give you something like a little bit more serious or intent, like, you know, we’re talking about like gratitude and meditation and
  • 00:47:01You know,
  • 00:47:02Like I’m looking outside right now as we talk. I tend to look outside this window a lot when I do my sessions and, you know, this is your here and I look outside
  • 00:47:10It kind of gives me that zero and kind of not really being in a space and letting myself flow and I’m looking outside. I’m seeing sunlight. Sunlight spiritual though.
  • 00:47:18Yeah, well you that right now.
  • 00:47:20Or sure
  • user avatarbrandon handley00:47:22There’s a line that’s like a, you know, the talks about God, like you know the difference between like kind of being human